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Just curious as to see how many people believed the Neomorph and continuation from Prometheus should have been the focal point of Covenant
...opposed to...
The decision to explore xenomorphs in the film, seemingly "forcing" them in towards the final act. So, FOX could ultimately title the movie an Alien film.

Take the Alien out of the film and we might have ended up with a sequel to Prometheus, simply titled, Covenant.

I'm fine either way.  I don't see how the alien 'ruined' the film.  They could have used a Neomorph instead but I don't see how it makes any difference.  It's not even the classic xeno, anyway.  Just more nitpicking.

I think they should have jumped on this "Universe"band wagon the studios have going on.

Subtitle the movies with something like "Alien Galaxy" like they tried to do with the Dark Universe in the mummy. Then you can play around in that sandbox as much as you like, shoot off into different things. It's pretty clear now that the studio messed up ( or didn't have) the plan with the naming, renaming and changing plot lines.

Then you can dump the Alien tag and people know what it is. It's pretty clear they went for the $$$ with the rebrand and failed. By the sounds of it they are about to do it again.

How about 'Prometheus:  An Alien Story' or 'Alien Origins:  Covenant'.

Then we can have a post-credits scene with Ripley's mother discussing the Colonial Marines initiative.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 04:42:01 AM
How about 'Prometheus:  An Alien Story' or 'Alien Origins:  Covenant'.

Then we can have a post-credits scene with Ripley's mother discussing the Colonial Marines initiative.

I don't think it has to be in the title of the movie. Prometheus and Covenant are just fine if you've already established that we are playing in the Alien Universe. The problem again is not having a plan. Prometheus was a fine start to all of this and then Covenant feels like they course corrected something that didn't need course corrected.

As much as I love Ripley, I don't want any Alien film to connect to her from here on out. I believe that's a major setback in the franchise and why A:R suffered so heavily. Arguably A:3, too.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 04:45:18 AM

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 04:42:01 AM
How about 'Prometheus:  An Alien Story' or 'Alien Origins:  Covenant'.

Then we can have a post-credits scene with Ripley's mother discussing the Colonial Marines initiative.

I don't think it has to be in the title of the movie. Prometheus and Covenant are just fine if you've already established that we are playing in the Alien Universe. The problem again is not having a plan. Prometheus was a fine start to all of this and then Covenant feels like they course corrected something that didn't need course corrected.

Prometheus already established this. I would've preferred if the movies were just called Prometheus, Covenant, Awakening etc., for aesthetic reasons.

Ideally I would have preferred no Xeno or the Xeno only appearing at the very end some how.

I don't think it ruined the film or anything like that but think the overall story would have flowed a little better if the Xeno was saved for the final film.

If it was saved for the final film all that expectation would leave many disappointed.

Now they can just focus on the best aspects of the alien (the real alien, not the proto-alien) now that all the tropes are done with.

Na the pay off would have been bigger. Imagine going two movies with the "DNA" of the Alien only for the grand reveal to be the Alien that burst out the Space Jockey.

Now that woulda been one hell of a ride.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
Na the pay off would have been bigger. Imagine going two movies with the "DNA" of the Alien only for the grand reveal to be the Alien that burst out the Space Jockey.

Now that woulda been one hell of a ride.

I think so too. If towards the end of Covenant the Eggs were revealed and the Oram chest burst happened or something along those lines I think it would have set up the next installment perfectly. I really love the film but still think this would have been a better route for the overall story arch.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
Na the pay off would have been bigger. Imagine going two movies with the "DNA" of the Alien only for the grand reveal to be the Alien that burst out the Space Jockey.

Now that woulda been one hell of a ride.

Couldn't agree more...but you know the talks in those board rooms - it's all about the now, the attention span of the youth, blah blah.

A film series that thoughtfully and patiently moves forward to an epic conclusion will not be done. Which is a shame, because TV shows are showing that an audience doesn't need non-stop fireworks, they are okay investing in a story and characters and following it wherever it leads.

That's the formula of soap operas.  Is such and such pregnant?  You'll find out in the 50th episode, stay tuned.  Boring.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 07, 2017, 12:20:20 AM
That's the formula of soap operas.  Is such and such pregnant?  You'll find out in the 50th episode, stay tuned.  Boring.

Like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.

Like Oedipus Rex.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 07, 2017, 12:58:54 AM

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 07, 2017, 12:20:20 AM
That's the formula of soap operas.  Is such and such pregnant?  You'll find out in the 50th episode, stay tuned.  Boring.

Like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.

I always thought Gimli was just a bit overweight.  Did he have a boy or a girl?

Twins!

Ah, bless!

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Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 04:20:30 AM
I think they should have jumped on this "Universe"band wagon the studios have going on.

Subtitle the movies with something like "Alien Galaxy" like they tried to do with the Dark Universe in the mummy. Then you can play around in that sandbox as much as you like, shoot off into different things. It's pretty clear now that the studio messed up ( or didn't have) the plan with the naming, renaming and changing plot lines.

Then you can dump the Alien tag and people know what it is. It's pretty clear they went for the $$$ with the rebrand and failed. By the sounds of it they are about to do it again.

I mentioned something similar before, a Weyland-Yutani movie universe.
It could be perfect. They dabble in exploration, science and military. Ideal for horror, thriller or action. Or a mix.
Give them proper titles and appropriate marketing so people better know what to expect.

Ridley Scott could continue making movies that focus on creation (Engineers) and AI (androids).
Let Craig Zahler (Bone Tomahawk, Brawl In CB 99) do a brutal thriller under the banner of Alien
Give Blomkamp a chance to create an action-filled Aliens 2 to satisfy the thirst of action fans.
Reboot AvP.
...

Obi wan in that picture really got to me haha

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 07, 2017, 03:09:16 AM

Quote from: Highland on Dec 06, 2017, 04:20:30 AM
I think they should have jumped on this "Universe"band wagon the studios have going on.

Subtitle the movies with something like "Alien Galaxy" like they tried to do with the Dark Universe in the mummy. Then you can play around in that sandbox as much as you like, shoot off into different things. It's pretty clear now that the studio messed up ( or didn't have) the plan with the naming, renaming and changing plot lines.

Then you can dump the Alien tag and people know what it is. It's pretty clear they went for the $$$ with the rebrand and failed. By the sounds of it they are about to do it again.

I mentioned something similar before, a Weyland-Yutani movie universe.
It could be perfect. They dabble in exploration, science and military. Ideal for horror, thriller or action. Or a mix.
Give them proper titles and appropriate marketing so people better know what to expect.

Ridley Scott could continue making movies that focus on creation (Engineers) and AI (androids).
Let Craig Zahler (Bone Tomahawk, Brawl In CB 99) do a brutal thriller under the banner of Alien
Give Blomkamp a chance to create an action-filled Aliens 2 to satisfy the thirst of action fans.
Reboot AvP.
...

If only they would. How awesome would that be!

I think they should have focused on the Neomorphs and maybe have a cliffhanger involving the Xenomorph (like an egg, facehugger or chestburster scene occuring) and have the next film focus on the Xenomorph.

Nah, get the xenomorph shit out of the way.  I think you needed to have Prometheus with no xenomorph.  After AVPR the xeno was cooked.  But then people were clamouring for the xeno again after Prometheus was a big success.  Now they got the xeno out of the way, they can concentrate on some of the big ideas introduced in Prometheus, maybe give us a few more answers.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 23, 2017, 11:16:31 PM
Nah, get the xenomorph shit out of the way.  I think you needed to have Prometheus with no xenomorph.  After AVPR the xeno was cooked.  But then people were clamouring for the xeno again after Prometheus was a big success.  Now they got the xeno out of the way, they can concentrate on some of the big ideas introduced in Prometheus, maybe give us a few more answers.

Nonsense, nobody watched or cared for AvP:R, it's completely irrelevant. I'm a die hard Alien fan and i've never seen it, lasted only a bit. Yet the clamour for Alien was always there, sadly only  Alien:Isolation approached the beast with any seriousness. This is Alien franchise, why not make a new sci-fi series, why ruin something beautiful?

AVP:R made over three times it's budget, and another $40 million on home media. Plenty of people cared for it.

As far as the xeno goes in the Covenant sequel, I don't mind if they include it or not.

Quote from: Alionic on Dec 24, 2017, 12:18:16 AM
AVP:R made over three times it's budget, and another $40 million on home media. Plenty of people cared for it.

As far as the xeno goes in the Covenant sequel, I don't mind if they include it or not.

Still not that huge of a number, none of my friends, some are real Alien fans, have never completely seen it. The film is pretty much forgotten. Did anybody  really take AvP films as a serious representation of Alien or part of the franchise. If they did then they don't deserve any better. I agree it tarnished the Alien name a bit, but it's still largely irrelevant imo.

Money doesn't equal a good film. Watching and buying it isn't the same as liking it, many folks went to see it and hated it, those who didn't see it bought it on dvd and then hated it. Even those who knew how bad the film was such as franchise fans bought it for the sake of completing their collection. Doesn't mean they cared for it. That is the difference between box office numbers vs critic reception, the latter can at least tell you about the quality of the film, while numbers only tell you how many people bought/went to see it. Of course audience opinions can vary.

Quote from: reecebomb on Dec 23, 2017, 11:40:19 PM



Nonsense, nobody watched or cared for AvP:R, it's completely irrelevant.

AVPR was just the nail in the coffin.  The series ended 25 years ago.  A:R, while I like the film, turned it into a comedy.  Then along came AVP which  made it juvenile.

Prometheus did revive the franchise, say what you will about it.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 24, 2017, 02:55:08 AM

Quote from: reecebomb on Dec 23, 2017, 11:40:19 PM



Nonsense, nobody watched or cared for AvP:R, it's completely irrelevant.

AVPR was just the nail in the coffin.  The series ended 25 years ago.  A:R, while I like the film, turned it into a comedy.  Then along came AVP which  made it juvenile.

Prometheus did revive the franchise, say what you will about it.

Because Prometheus was the first movie in the actual series in 15 years, and being a prequel how could have it not revived it.

It revived it because a lot of people liked it.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 24, 2017, 03:12:18 AM
It revived it because a lot of people liked it.

And a lot of thought it was just ok, pretty sure a substantial amount were disappointed and felt like it was a missed opportunity or simply didn't like it. It was still in the limelight mainly because it was a prequel to Alien and because Ridley himself was involved.

I'll leave this quote by Paul Anderson:

"If you work with a subject matter beloved by a hardcore fanbase, then there's going to be a huge amount of discussion of what you've got wrong or right.  In some ways you can never please overly obsessive fans, it's just impossible."

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 24, 2017, 03:34:52 AM
I'll leave this quote by Paul Anderson:

"If you work with a subject matter beloved by a hardcore fanbase, then there's going to be a huge amount of discussion of what you've got wrong or right.  In some ways you can never please overly obsessive fans, it's just impossible."

I see we are having the same discussion simultaneously in two threads. That quote is on point, though there are major issues that go beyond from hardcore fans personal vision how the franchise should be.   

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 24, 2017, 03:34:52 AM
I'll leave this quote by Paul Anderson:

"If you work with a subject matter beloved by a hardcore fanbase, then there's going to be a huge amount of discussion of what you've got wrong or right.  In some ways you can never please overly obsessive fans, it's just impossible."

Difficult, but by no means impossible...

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 24, 2017, 03:43:29 AM

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 24, 2017, 03:34:52 AM
I'll leave this quote by Paul Anderson:

"If you work with a subject matter beloved by a hardcore fanbase, then there's going to be a huge amount of discussion of what you've got wrong or right.  In some ways you can never please overly obsessive fans, it's just impossible."

Difficult, but by no means impossible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h0cgmvIrZw

Truem, but not all people loved it. I liked it a lot but i could nitpick a few holes in it if i wanted. But for a videogame, coming after A:CM it's a godsend  :-*   I wish there would be a update of it in the future where some of the things that annoy me are ironed out, simple thing really. Currently debating whether i should buy it for PC as well, have the PS3 and PS4 version.

Not all fans liked Alien Isolation.  Some hated the fact there was only one alien for the majority of the game and you couldn't kill the alien.

I blame the internet  :D

Many times fans (not just fans even, anyone, anyone at all) post their opinions so quickly and so easily that the opinions themselves take on a life of their own. Each point of view develops a concentrated faction of adherents before people take the time to consider what's being said. Instead, we start scanning social media posts for ready-made opinions we can import as our own. (Not that anyone here is guilty of that, and certainly not me ;)   )

TC

Quote from: TC on Dec 24, 2017, 04:57:49 AM
I blame the internet  :D

Many times fans (not just fans even, anyone, anyone at all) post their opinions so quickly and so easily that the opinions themselves take on a life of their own. Each point of view develops a concentrated faction of adherents before people take the time to consider what's being said. Instead, we start scanning social media posts for ready-made opinions we can import as our own. (Not that anyone here is guilty of that, and certainly not me ;)   )

TC

I thought it was alright until Leia started floating in space.

Quote from: TC on Dec 24, 2017, 04:57:49 AM
I blame the internet  :D

Many times fans (not just fans even, anyone, anyone at all) post their opinions so quickly and so easily that the opinions themselves take on a life of their own. Each point of view develops a concentrated faction of adherents before people take the time to consider what's being said. Instead, we start scanning social media posts for ready-made opinions we can import as our own. (Not that anyone here is guilty of that, and certainly not me ;)   )

TC

Exactly. Even if people realize this, they more often than not simply cannot see the flaw in themselves. They may think others blind sheep for following popular narratives on social media, but they will think that their own change of opinion on e.g. the new Star Wars movie was entirely their own.