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LOS ANGELES, CA, MARCH 3, 2011—Warner Bros-based financing and production company Alcon Entertainment ("The Blind Side," "The Book of Eli") co-founders and co-Chief Executive Officers Broderick Johnson and Andrew Kosove, in the most significant property acquisition negotiations in the Company's 13-year history, are in final discussions to secure film, television and ancillary franchise rights to produce prequels and sequels to the iconic 1982 science-fiction thriller "Blade Runner."
Alcon is negotiating to secure the rights from producer-director Bud Yorkin, who will serve as producer on "Blade Runner" along with Kosove and Johnson. Cynthia Sikes Yorkin will co-produce. Frank Giustra and Tim Gamble, CEO's of Thunderbird Films, will serve as executive producers.
Alcon's franchise rights would be all-inclusive, but exclude rights to remake the original. The Company, however, may produce projects based on situations introduced in the original film. The project would be distributed domestically by Warner Bros. International rights are yet to be determined.
Johnson and Kosove stated: "We are honored and excited to be in business with Bud Yorkin. This is a major acquisition for our company, and a personal favorite film for both of us. We recognize the responsibility we have to do justice to the memory of the original with any prequel or sequel we produce. We have long-term goals for the franchise, and are exploring multi-platform concepts, not just limiting ourselves to one medium only."
Among its many distinctions, "Blade Runner" has been singled out as one of the greatest movies of all time by countless polls and media outlets, and overwhelmingly as the greatest science-fiction film of all time by a majority of genre publications.
Released by Warner Bros. almost 30 years ago, "Blade Runner" was adapted by Hampton Fancher and David Peoples from Philip K. Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and directed by Ridley Scott following his landmark "Alien." The film was nominated for two Academy Awards (Best Visual Effects, and Best Art Direction).
"Blade Runner" was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant." The film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1993 and is frequently taught in university courses. In 2007, it was named the 2nd most visually influential film of all time by the Visual Effects Society.
Alcon's COO Scott Parish and head of business affairs David Fierson are negotiating on behalf of the Company.
When will these bastards learn that if they want to step in, that they should just go and do stories in the same universe, not give me the same thing again.
DO NOT WANT
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 03, 2011, 01:16:14 AMWhen will these bastards learn that if they want to step in, that they should just go and do stories in the same universe, not give me the same thing again.
Actually, they don't have the rights to remake the original. ;)
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 03, 2011, 01:21:18 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 03, 2011, 01:16:14 AMWhen will these bastards learn that if they want to step in, that they should just go and do stories in the same universe, not give me the same thing again.
Actually, they don't have the rights to remake the original. ;)
Good to know, I will wait for more news.
These guys have Balls. Having just rewatched this movie last night for the umpteenth though, I hope to god that either none of this happens, or they know what they are doing. Between this, the Alien prequel nonsense, and the Thing prequel, I'm not sure to be overjoyed, or scared shitless. :(
Shitty movies don't hurt the good ones imo.
If a movie is really bad, I won't remember it anyways.
Too true, and with any luck they'll turn out great. They better be calling up Vangelis when this is all sorted out, Blade Runner has an amazing soundtrack. Or at least get someone to ape his style... Regarding prequel news, I'll remain cautiously excited.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2011, 02:44:26 AM
Quote from: Walk Evil Talk on Mar 03, 2011, 01:18:06 AM
DO NOT WANT
DO NOT CARE
Just my knee-jerk reaction to the thought of a complete reboot (because sometimes actually reading something instead of skimming it is just
too much work). A prequel or sequel wouldn't be as bad... I guess. *crosses arms and pouts*
No.
Also reported here: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48712 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48712)
Hmm ... ... ... ... ... hmm. Not know how feel.
I cannot get excited for Blade Runner 2: Rise of the Replicants.
Wake up. Time to die.
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I've always pictured a Blade Runner prequel dealing with the Replicants, like some of the stuff Roy mentions at the end of the film. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time...
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 03, 2011, 06:03:13 PM
I've always pictured a Blade Runner prequel dealing with the Replicants, like some of the stuff Roy mentions at the end of the film. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time...
Or the rebellious Nexus 6 combat unit that resulted in replicants being declared illegal on Earth [I don't believe this was Batty's crew(?)].
Nope.
LOL!! they could never ever in a million yrs make anything to come close to Ridleys classic, talk about sacrilege!! only Ridley can make anything to do with BR.
A horrendous cgi nightmare springs instantly to mind, what with a diabolical Robocop remake planned I think modern films have just about peaked at raping the classics :(
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 03, 2011, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 03, 2011, 06:03:13 PM
I've always pictured a Blade Runner prequel dealing with the Replicants, like some of the stuff Roy mentions at the end of the film. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time...
Or the rebellious Nexus 6 combat unit that resulted in replicants being declared illegal on Earth [I don't believe this was Batty's crew(?)].
No. Allthough they did do... "questionable things".
QuoteJust my knee-jerk reaction to the thought of a complete reboot (because sometimes actually reading something instead of skimming it is just too much work). A prequel or sequel wouldn't be as bad... I guess. *crosses arms and pouts*
It just gets back to the old argument of people cracking the shits (in general, not you personally) when the film they dig gets a sequel, or gets remade, or whatever. It's not going to stop them enjoying the film they dig.
Exactly. AVPR may shit on the Alien franchises reputation, but not Alien itself, it's still respected.
A BR sequel/prequel is something I've been curious about, but it all comes down to Ridley/Fancher/Peoples and all the otehrs involved. Was it a one-off lightning in a bottle thing? Of course, even if it was, good sequels can be made. It all depends on the respect and care given, and then a whole load of other things ... jeez.
I read a couple of Jeter's book sequels. He tried to combine the film world of Blade Runner with the book world of Electric Sheep. He had some interesting ideas, but ultimately they were kinda dull. Much like those dreary fecking Star Wars novels he wrote...
From io9.
http://io9.com/#!5775760/what-can-we-expect-from-the-new-blade-runner-movie-we-asked-the-producers (http://io9.com/#!5775760/what-can-we-expect-from-the-new-blade-runner-movie-we-asked-the-producers)
QuoteYesterday we learned that the rights Blade Runner was getting a sequel or a prequel. We spoke with the producers behind this project, and asked them your burning questions. So, will it be Blade Runner 2 or Blade Runner Origins?
We spoke with the producers of the new Blade Runner film: Andrew Kosove, Broderick Johnson and Bud Yorkin. And here's what they told us.
Will this movie be a prequel or a sequel?
Kosove: We don't know, we just don't know yet. When we know, we'll let you know. We don't know yet it's too early. The only way to answer that is to say that we will have a process where we will hear hear different ideas from writers or potentially directors who we will bring in, in combination with the writers, before determining. We could be open to either a prequel or a sequel.
Why did you want the rights to Blade Runner?
Johnson: It's one of your favorite films, and we throughout that the universe that has been created here, is one that's complete with ideas and possibilities. We're intellectually fascinated and stimulated to explore the themes that the movie invokes and the underlying material. At the end of the day those are the things that make great movies. Those and characters and whatnot, it's an opportunity of a life time to try and explore this further?
What sort of stories do you think Blade Runner opened up that it didn't get to address?
Kosove: That's an interesting question. I think for us, one of the things that made this so timely is the fact that we're all living and we're kind of blessed to live in what is essentially the industrial revolution age for technology. And it's changing at such a rapid pace. Because of that, and because of the fact that Philip K. Dick is quite brilliant at imagining a world that maybe doesn't exist but is very quickly getting here. There are opportunities to think about either what our world will be like in our almost immediate near future. Or to think about what the world is after Blade Runner, because we have things that have come into our being, things that are a part of our consciousness now that we couldn't have imaged many years ago.
I was down in Dallas airport a couple weeks ago, and there was a robot who was going through the airport and was cleaning. But it was having conversations with people that were fluid conversations. It was quite extraordinary, and at that point I knew that we were on the verge of getting involved with this [Blade Runner film], and I thought [about] how fast the world is advancing and how possible Philip K. Dick's ideas were, and how much material was there to mine for the project, either the prequel or sequel.
It's interesting that you would mention the world before or after Blade Runner. The film was set in 2019, that's not very far away. Have you thought about how you're going to handle the date?
Kosove: That's part of a prequel and a sequel, right? If you do a prequel it's going to be in the very near future. So I think my point to you is that the very near future could seem profoundly different than the world we're living in today. Just like the world we're living in today is profoundly different from the world eight years ago. I don't think a prequel is out of the question, and at the same time we're open to a sequel. Alcon's process for the last number of years has always been about the quality of filmmakers that we've had the privilege of working with, and being open to ideas and creating an open environment. We're open to hearing ideas and then we'll make a determination as to what direction we're going to go.
Well we'd rather have a hypothetical conversation and just get the juices flowing. Can we at least discuss whether or not you'd be excited to film the bloody Replicant mutiny that Blade Runner teased in the intro? That kind of back story, like what happened that made them illegal
Kosove: That could be a phenomenal and fascinating way to go. Let me say this to you: the Pentagon is exploring all kinds of ways to engage in combat, without having to use actual human beings. You see it with the use of drones. The logical extension of that is exactly the world that Philip K Dick imagined, which is coming to a point where something that was not human is being charged to do tasks that we don't want human beings to do. And what if there was a degree of humanity in these "people," and how would they respond? So the idea that you just suggested, would be a fantastic way to lead into the movie. And that's why we need to approach that with an open mind.
There's a wealth of material just mentioned casually when they introduce the Replicants — "Oh, she's a pleasure model, he's a combat droid." It's wide open.
Bud Yorkin: We are going to have Replicants, obviously. That's part of what we started with originally. We're certainly going to have Replicants involved. By the way, Replicants can be any number of ways, and involved in the way humans work and live. Replicants will be different in the end somewhere. And you're right, that's part of the area that we will be involved with.
Have you reached out to Ridley Scott?
Kosove: The answer to that question is as follows. I'm going to answer it very briefly — we won't say if we've reached out to Ridley Scott or not, but what we will say is that Ridley Scott's blessing to what we're doing is very important to Alcon. It's important to Bud [Yorkin], and certainly we have the greatest degree of respect to him as a filmmaker. He's one of the greatest living directors and one of the greatest directors of all time. so of course he's very important.
When we posted the news, reactions were split right down the middle. Some fans felt this could be good, because we have to we have the technology to make this really fascinating. And then there were a lot of people worried that Hollywood was going to ruin the legacy of Blade Runner. Can you address those fans' concerns?
Kosove: I would really appreciate it if you guys could clarify something: Alcon is not owned by Warner Bros. None of this is being paid by WB. We are a wholly independent financial and production company. Our relationship with Warner, which is very strong, runs back to the earliest years of our company. They're the distributor on all of our movies. First of all, we're paying for everything, but second of all — and this a way of answering maybe partially the concerns of your fans — this may work, or it may not work. We may make this movie, but in truth it may never get made.
But what I can tell you for certain today is that we will not go about this process in some form of large group think where 15 execs are going to sit around a table micromanaging the creative talent. Broderick and I will meet with writers and directors and we will figure out what direction we want to go and what story we believe in.
And then we will have them the artistic autonomy to go out and make a great movie and I think what ever success we've had at Alcon whether it was helping Chris Nolan's career with Insomnia, or working with the Hughes bros on Book of Eli or Jonathan Hancock with Blind Side — that philosophy of believing in filmmakers, giving them some parameters and then letting them do their jobs, has served us very very well. And it's how we'll approach this process. I don't know how better to answer the question than that.
Do you have any pie in the sky writers or directors that in a perfect world would sign on tomorrow?
Kosove: Pie in the sky? Yeah our friend Chris Nolan who we did Insomnia [with] would be in the pie in the sky for us.
That's good to hear. That means you're going for the gritty realism that was in the original.
Kosove: To be clear I think what Chris Nolan did — and to be clear, we cannot remake Blade Runner. As a legal matter, we have not bought the remake rights we have no interest in remaking it we can only do prequels or sequels. But I think the methodology that Chris Nolan brought to Batman is precisely what we aspire to whomever the filmmaker is, whether Ridley comes back and joins us or it's someone else. It's precisely what we aspire to with Blade Runner, that's the template for us.
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But seriously, I don't really see the problem. And I've always wanted to see more of the Runnerverse, so hopefully whatever they do eventually end up doing won't disappoint.
That much.
Quotewe cannot remake Blade Runner
You damn straight you can't. But, they seem mild-tempered enough. Thanks for the interview, Sticks.
The location scouting in Scotland isn't for Alien at all. It's for two films of helicopter shots of Deckard and Rachel driving.
I think what disturbs me about that interview is that a) each producer's grasp of the English language brings to mind memories of Sarah Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric, and b) none of them seem to understand or care about about the source material. They just babble on about 'possibilities' and 'the Pentagon' and 'airport robots' and how 'it's too early to know what we're going to do'. Whenever they're asked a question about the Android Rebellions or something specific regarding the original film, they ignore it and change the subject.
Maybe I'm just overanalyzing this stuff, but I'm getting awful vibes. I'd be more enthused about Lawrence of Arabia 2 : Electric Boogaloo than this.
Well. I've still got Blomkamp. He's my chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
It just gets back to the old argument of people cracking the shits (in general, not you personally) when the film they dig gets a sequel, or gets remade, or whatever. It's not going to stop them enjoying the film they dig.
This is true, and I didn't mean to imply that a remake would tarnish the original. It was more the idea that someone could actually watch Blade Runner and say something like "Now
here's a film that needs to be re-imagined. Suzie, get McG on the line." got the nerd rage flowin' a bit. However, they're not even talking about a remake, and I've taken my lithium, so I guess I'll just wait and see.
I really enjoyed Jeter's novel sequels (although I only read the first two), but they wouldn't really make good films, especially not now - for one thing, they used all the characters from the original film directly after its events, not 30 years later. As far as prequels go, though, Boom is right now just finishing up a complete graphic novel adaptation of DADoES?, and along with it they did a short prequel series authorized by the Dick estate which was quite good, although it was set in the DADoES?-verse, not Blade Runner-ville.
From DEADLINE:
EXCLUSIVE: After revisiting his classic Alien with the upcoming 3D Fox film Prometheus, Ridley Scott is committing to direct and produce a film that advances his other seminal and groundbreaking science fiction film. Scott has signed on to direct and produce a new installment of Blade Runner. He'll make the film with Alcon Entertainment, producing with Alcon partners Broderick Johnson and Andrew Kosove. This would be the most high profile project for Alcon since The Blind Side.
I'm not getting a clear sense at this point whether Scott intends to do a sequel or a prequel to the 1982 film that was loosely based on the Philip K. Dick novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Also unclear is whether they start fresh or reach out to Harrison Ford, who starred that took place in dystopian Los Angeles in 2019, in which organic superhuman robots called replicants escaped and are hiding somewhere on earth. Ford played Richard Deckard, a burnt out blade runner assigned to hunt them down. His tired life gets altered when he himself falls for one of the replicants and struggles to keep her from being destroyed.
The film was not a blockbuster when first released--it grossed $32 million in its original run--but the film has gained esteem over time. From the bleak but breathtaking visuals to the complex storyline and themes of mortality, Blade Runner became a classic. There has periodically been talks of doing a sequel but those never really went anywhere. After injecting state of the art 3D in reviving Alien, imagine what Scott can do with Blade Runner? Now, the filmmaker is ready to engage. Alcon has its output deal with Warner Bros, which remastered and released a 25th anniversary version on DVD and Blu-Ray in 2007. Warner Bros made the original film.
This is just the first step and the project will have to be written and it will likely evolve during that process. That's what happened on Alien, which began as a prequel to his 1979 classic. That changed when Lost's Damon Lindelof came in with a different take on the subject matter that imprinted on Scott and Fox executives. They wound up making Prometheus, which Fox considers an original but which I've heard is a cousin to the original Alien franchise. That film will be released June 8, 2012, with Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Patrick Wilson, Idris Elba and Guy Pearce starring. Scott is repped by WME.
Interesting eh? Dunno how it's gonna work without Harrison Ford. He was a replicant wasn't he?
Let's all hope Ridley has a good story to tell. i wouldn't mind if they picked up and developed characters from Blade Runner, but i would be dissapointed it's not an original story. the universe of the movie can do so much more than that.
:o
If this follows through I'll be very excited. Better not CG it though.
Never really saw the fascination with Blade Runner...wonder if he will "connect the dots" between it and the "Alien" story.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Aug 18, 2011, 04:47:09 PM
:o
If this follows through I'll be very excited. Better not CG it though.
Of course they will.
:P hes goin back to his rootssssss
I can't see the connection between Blade Runner and ALIEN. There's something, but I would never place it in the same continuity. Replicants are almost identical to humans, it would have made more sense to use them in place of Ash if you merge the movie universes.
This simultaneously excites and depresses me.
Ridley Scott has a hell of a job to do with Prometheus to convince us that a Blade Runner followup is worth making.
Just do The Forever War, Ridley. Please.
Wooooaaaaooo.
Quote from: Michael Harper on Aug 18, 2011, 04:06:22 PM
Interesting eh? Dunno how it's gonna work without Harrison Ford. He was a replicant wasn't he?
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We don't need it but I trust Ridley.
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Hell yeah!!!!!!!
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Make it so.
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....i want Vangelis back on soundtrack duties...
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Make it so.
f**k yes.
Just heard about this - i'm not quite jumping for joy but i'm intrigued. Much like when news of an Alien prequel first broke, having Ridley onboard gives me a great sense of comfort.
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/blade-runner-sequel/4128 (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/blade-runner-sequel/4128)
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Aug 18, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
Just heard about this - i'm not quite jumping for joy but i'm intrigued. Much like when news of an Alien prequel first broke, having Ridley onboard gives me a great sense of comfort.
Yeah I feel the same way. Although I think a
prequel would work better for this franchise. Specifically focusing on the Replicant uprising IMO and little nods to locations in Roy's speech like the Tannhauser Gate etc.
Yeah, that would sound good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgz6jFxMpyk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgz6jFxMpyk#ws)
Awesome, awesome news; from the looks of Prometheus, he really seems to be doing well getting back to sci-fi, so I have no problems with this at all. Well, as long as Tony Scott isn't involved in any way. Really though, if Prometheus is a major disappointment (currently doubt it will), it will make clear that Scott has lost it-- but I'm counting against that.
Still, I'd much rather see The Forever War before this.
I'm not really sure that there is anything left to contribute to the Blade Runner mythology. Unlike the space jockey in Alien, there really aren't any stone left unturned in Blade Runner. If Deckard is no longer part of the story then what are we left with? A new character that comes to the same conclusions as Deckard at the end of the sequel?
I think Ridley should try to find some fresh material to work on after Prometheus. His potential to make great Sci-Fi already exceeds what Cameron can do imo and I'd prefer that his talent be used on something more original instead of on sequels to his films that are already good on their own.
What's next? A sequel to Legend, Thelma and Louise, or Gladiator?
Quote from: Ash 937 on Aug 19, 2011, 03:27:21 AM
I'm not really sure that there is anything left to contribute to the Blade Runner mythology. Unlike the space jockey in Alien, there really aren't any stone left unturned in Blade Runner. If Deckard is no longer part of the story then what are we left with? A new character that comes to the same conclusions as Deckard at the end of the sequel?
I think Ridley should try to find some fresh material to work on after Prometheus. His potential to make great Sci-Fi already exceeds what Cameron can do imo and I'd prefer that his talent be used on something more original instead of on sequels to his films that are already good on their own.
What's next? A sequel to Legend, Thelma and Louise, or Gladiator?
Exactly! Why would we need a sequel to Blade Runner?
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I agree we don't need a sequel. A prequel however could prove very interesting.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Aug 19, 2011, 02:45:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgz6jFxMpyk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgz6jFxMpyk#ws)
Love that soundtrack.
This is a great welcome back gift. I can see this working out really well. I'll wait and see, though, find out more about this.
i'm firmly in the "we don't need a sequel" camp, i'd rather Ridley do something new.
Don't imagine we'll see Ford back in this after the first movie. I'm intrigued. If Vangelis isn't back then I'll cry. Syd Mead too.
We dont need a direct sequel to Blade Runner but a completely new story with only a few ties to the first film in the same universe could be intriguing.
Considering 'Blade Runner' is a title, having the movie not feature a Blade Runner wouldn't make much sense. That said, "Blade Runner II" isn't an official title, so there'd be no reason making a fuss out of that.
Lest we forget that Paul WS Anderson gave us a non canon sidequel in the form of Soldier.
Oh Paul it's like you intentionally want to annoy sci-fi fans :D .
Call it ... Dangerous Days?(!)
Quote from: DragonBossk on Aug 19, 2011, 12:16:59 PM
Lest we forget that Paul WS Anderson gave us a non canon sidequel in the form of Soldier.
Oh Paul it's like you intentionally want to annoy sci-fi fans :D .
I'll gladly remember the script but I don't fully know what that film was
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 19, 2011, 01:43:20 PM
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F**k. I'd had my fingers crossed for A Good Year 2: More Wine and Goodness, but I guess this will have to do.
Call it Tannhauser Gate and I'm good.
I gotta a bad feeling about this.....
Russel Crowe as a replicant
I'm expecting some dreams.
'Bout electric sheep.
Quote from: Keg on Aug 19, 2011, 11:23:06 AM
We dont need a direct sequel to Blade Runner but a completely new story with only a few ties to the first film in the same universe could be intriguing.
If it works, this is how it will work.
I don't suppose it'll start with some shots from The Shining, either.
Contagion and The Bourne Ultimatum scribe Scott Burns is Ridley Scott's top choice for the script:
http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/09/scott-burns-to-write-ridley-scotts-new-blade-runner.php (http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/09/scott-burns-to-write-ridley-scotts-new-blade-runner.php)
I didn't think Contagion had a very strong script.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Sep 25, 2011, 01:58:11 AM
I didn't think Contagion had a very strong script.
Same, it was pretty f**king boring.
New Blade Runner is likely to be a sequel:
http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-sequel/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-sequel/)
Looks like Ridley will be directiing: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51846 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51846)
Merged.
And f**k. YES.
What to explore there, though? Are you aware that our very favourite Paul WS Anderson did some sort of a sidequel to Blade Runner, called Soldier with Kurt Russell? It bombed, though, but I haven't seen it.
I'm not gonna get into absolutes and say, "We need this!" or "We DON'T need this!" I'm sure it'll be interesting to follow.
I don't know about this :-\? Ridley still has been hit or miss in the past decade.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Nov 04, 2011, 08:57:48 PM
What to explore there, though? Are you aware that our very favourite Paul WS Anderson did some sort of a sidequel to Blade Runner, called Soldier with Kurt Russell? It bombed, though, but I haven't seen it.
I've seen it, thematically and visually it was nothing at all like Blade Runner.
As for where to go, he could do anything he wanted with it. The possibilities are endless for what he could do. I've stated before that BR and Alien could be in the same universe. It's that open.
I'd like it to explore some dystopian backdrop and draw further from other Dick's works...I want something in the vein of Brazil-era Gilliam or early Jeunet/Caro...
I've not cast eyes on any Dick, so I can't comment on whether that's something I'd want to see realised. But again, the whole dystopian/steampunk look is something I'm craving right now. Maybe I'm still buzzing from Deus Ex, but I'm finding myself drawn to it at the moment.
Steampunk? No thanks. But cyberpunk? Hellz to the yeah. ;)
Quote from: Vulhala on Nov 04, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I've not cast eyes on any Dick, so I can't comment on whether that's something I'd want to see realised. But again, the whole dystopian/steampunk look is something I'm craving right now. Maybe I'm still buzzing from Deus Ex, but I'm finding myself drawn to it at the moment.
You might dismiss it as cartoons but go watch ghost in the shell.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 05, 2011, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Nov 04, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I've not cast eyes on any Dick, so I can't comment on whether that's something I'd want to see realised. But again, the whole dystopian/steampunk look is something I'm craving right now. Maybe I'm still buzzing from Deus Ex, but I'm finding myself drawn to it at the moment.
You might dismiss it as cartoons but go watch ghost in the shell.
I concur.
harrison ford coming back then ? i mean... if ridley is serious about this sequel... he better hurry up..... harrison ford is what? 69.....
Very much doubt it. Sequel doesn't have to mean the same characters return.
I love the idea of a sequel. That means we can actually advance the technology as we please and get something even more beautiful.
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 05, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 05, 2011, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Nov 04, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I've not cast eyes on any Dick, so I can't comment on whether that's something I'd want to see realised. But again, the whole dystopian/steampunk look is something I'm craving right now. Maybe I'm still buzzing from Deus Ex, but I'm finding myself drawn to it at the moment.
You might dismiss it as cartoons but go watch ghost in the shell.
I concur.
Which reminds me; I've gotta rewatch that sometime soon.
Fassbender as a Blade Runner. Now that's an idea...!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 05, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 05, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 05, 2011, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Nov 04, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I've not cast eyes on any Dick, so I can't comment on whether that's something I'd want to see realised. But again, the whole dystopian/steampunk look is something I'm craving right now. Maybe I'm still buzzing from Deus Ex, but I'm finding myself drawn to it at the moment.
You might dismiss it as cartoons but go watch ghost in the shell.
I concur.
Which reminds me; I've gotta rewatch that sometime soon.
Also if you get the chance watch the sequel, "innocence" if you havent seen it, it's not as irreverent as the first, although it's more noirish and such a beautiful film (in terms of production)
Yeah, I've been thinking about it. Hadn't heard too much about it, but I should check it out.
I like it, although you can tell it suffers a little in the translation. It's pretty much the sad battou show, and it's a shame it was made when oshii was in his "I'm mental Let's put Bassett hounds in all my movies " stage.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 05, 2011, 08:36:10 PM
Fassbender as a Blade Runner. Now that's an idea...!
Now...that
IS a hell of an idea!
Some concept art that gives an idea of what a BR sequel could look like:
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So, thoughts?
Looks exactly the same as the original.
The re-design of Paris is... wow :o
Quote from: Le Celticant on Nov 09, 2011, 11:02:03 PM
The re-design of Paris is... wow :o
Yeah - I love the Paris picture.
Quote from: SM on Nov 09, 2011, 10:50:31 PM
Looks exactly the same as the original.
Looks like a cleaner mess... but that
is LA to Paris.
Zoom in closer on the Paris one and there'll be lots of dog poo.
Neon dog poo.
Where's the concept art from?
From an upcoming indie game:
http://www.dont-nod.com/category/projets/ (http://www.dont-nod.com/category/projets/)
Translated from,french:
QuoteNeo-Paris 2084
Augmented reality and memory implanting have taken control of people's lives.
We can now buy, sell or exchange our own memories. The last barriers of privacy have fallen in line with the rise of social networks and geolocation in the early twenty-first century.
Living in a poor society, these citizens accepted their conditions in exchange for some benefits of technology. It is now a reality that no longer takes the trouble to dispute.
This saving of memory is not without giving immense power and uncontrollable to a handful of individuals ...
Be sure to return to this section. It will be updated regularly!
A nice Blade Runner fan film shot on a microbudget:
http://vimeo.com/31617919 (http://vimeo.com/31617919)
Quote from: JaaayDee on Nov 10, 2011, 01:41:15 PM
From an upcoming indie game:
http://www.dont-nod.com/category/projets/ (http://www.dont-nod.com/category/projets/)
Translated from,french:
QuoteNeo-Paris 2084
Augmented reality and memory implanting have taken control of people's lives.
We can now buy, sell or exchange our own memories. The last barriers of privacy have fallen in line with the rise of social networks and geolocation in the early twenty-first century.
Living in a poor society, these citizens accepted their conditions in exchange for some benefits of technology. It is now a reality that no longer takes the trouble to dispute.
This saving of memory is not without giving immense power and uncontrollable to a handful of individuals ...
Be sure to return to this section. It will be updated regularly!
A nice Blade Runner fan film shot on a microbudget:
http://vimeo.com/31617919 (http://vimeo.com/31617919)
This film is actually a DEMO for the new CANON DSLR series (C-300) opposed to the revolution RED Digital has done (Red EPIC and now Red SCARLET used for The Hobbits, Prometheus, Dragon Tatoo blablabla, 4K camera)
Unfortunately I don't think anyone will be able to judge the quality from this short since the image is corrected to an extreme.
Anyway, it is interesting, not a bad short but not a too good one either. ;)
Some info from producer Andrew Kosove.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=51788 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=51788)
QuoteOn Ridley Scott's Interest In The Project And Where It's At In Development...
Here's the thing about Ridley. Ridley is a special guy. He's a force of nature. He's got a lot of stuff that he's working on. I believe it's an extremely high priority for Ridley, that's what he's said to me. This project is moving forward aggressively in development.
On When We Can Expect An Official Announcement For The Film...
Sometime in the first two months of the new year we'll announce who the screenwriter will be and whether or not it's a prequel or sequel. And then we'll be off to the races.
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I love you.
The first one was hated big time in the 80s.
Quote from: Laufey on Dec 23, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
Some info from producer Andrew Kosove.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=51788 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=51788)
QuoteOn Ridley Scott's Interest In The Project And Where It's At In Development...
Here's the thing about Ridley. Ridley is a special guy. He's a force of nature. He's got a lot of stuff that he's working on. I believe it's an extremely high priority for Ridley, that's what he's said to me. This project is moving forward aggressively in development.
On When We Can Expect An Official Announcement For The Film...
Sometime in the first two months of the new year we'll announce who the screenwriter will be and whether or not it's a prequel or sequel. And then we'll be off to the races.
This announcement can't come soon enough.
Quote from: Ogata881 on Dec 23, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
The first one was hated big time in the 80s.
And...?
surely he isn't trying to create an apology in advance like people did with the Thing prequel, right?
right?
Quote from: Ogata881 on Dec 23, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
The first one was hated big time in the 80s.
If thats true, it's probably because of the marketing was done wrong. I think at the time the trailer for Blade Runner made it seem like an action film. And when audience actually watched it, it wasn't filled with action. Also, Harrison Ford was recognized for big actiony filled roles.
Quote from: Ogata881 on Dec 23, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
The first one was hated big time in the 80s.
Even
Alien had a mixed critical reaction when it was released. It's something that comes with Ridley Scott films. I don't think a single one of his films has ever met with Universal Critical Acclaim. He always has a mixed reaction. And, I think that's why he's much more of a cult director. He often gets put up there with the likes of Spielberg and Cameron and Jackson - but, I do think Scott is a cult director. I for one am a massive fan - one of my favourite filmmakers, up there with Stanley Kubrick, Sergio Leone, and David Cronenberg.
NEWS !
From ALCON Producer Andrew Kosove (Via ComingSoon.net):
"...Last week, The Playlist had a chance to speak to Alcon Entertainment producer Andrew Kosove and they got him to update them on a number of upcoming Alcon projects including a pair of remakes/relaunches the company is working on, one being a follow-up to Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, the other being a remake of Kathryn Bigelow's action-thriller Point Break.
Kasave told them that the Blade Runner project is a "high priority" for Ridley Scott, who is in post-production on the anticipated Prometheus (and already on record saying they have ideas for two more movies if it does well), and that project is "moving forward aggressively in development."
"Sometime in the first two months of the new year we'll announce who the screenwriter will be and whether or not it's a prequel or sequel. And then we'll be off to the races," he added.
Great news! :D
Ridley needs to hurry up though. He's not getting any younger :laugh:
If Ridley Scott is involved with the film, then it might not actually be a load of crap.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, and it does not deserve to be degraded with a sequel or prequel unless they have the same artistic style without making it look like it was trying too hard to be like the first film. It would be very hard. So, it doesn't look good so far.
Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 03, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
If Ridley Scott is involved with the film, then it might not actually be a load of crap.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, and it does not deserve to be degraded with a sequel or prequel unless they have the same artistic style without making it look like it was trying too hard to be like the first film. It would be very hard. So, it doesn't look good so far.
I wouldn't get my hopes up anyway... by the time the film is way into Production, we'll have found out that it's not really a prequel or sequel, but a new film, just set in the universe and that in the final 10 minutes there will be DNA of Blade Runner...
:)
Quote from: Michael Harper on Jan 03, 2012, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 03, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
If Ridley Scott is involved with the film, then it might not actually be a load of crap.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, and it does not deserve to be degraded with a sequel or prequel unless they have the same artistic style without making it look like it was trying too hard to be like the first film. It would be very hard. So, it doesn't look good so far.
I wouldn't get my hopes up anyway... by the time the film is way into Production, we'll have found out that it's not really a prequel or sequel, but a new film, just set in the universe and that in the final 10 minutes there will be DNA of Blade Runner...
:)
:laugh: :laugh: That was a good one.
Harrison Ford in early negotiations?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=54075 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=54075)
Quote from: Laufey on Feb 04, 2012, 06:37:47 PM
Harrison Ford in early negotiations?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=54075 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=54075)
Interesting, especially given the negativity that he seemed to carry from the original. Wonder how they'd even work him in.
Now the big question:
To which version of Blade Runner will this be a sequel/prequel of?
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 04, 2012, 10:55:18 PM
Now the big question:
To which version of Blade Runner will this be a sequel/prequel of?
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All of them. There will be 65 different versions.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 04, 2012, 10:55:18 PM
Now the big question:
To which version of Blade Runner will this be a sequel/prequel of?
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Haha, I've been wanting to see Blade Runner for a while now, but every time I go in a store and see all the different versions, I get confused and walk away. Which one would you guys recommend?
Final Cut.
Harrison Ford can't possibly be in it, unless the replicants age.
Quote from: evolution_rex on Feb 05, 2012, 02:29:27 AM
Harrison Ford can't possibly be in it, unless the replicants age.
Or...he's human, which would likely be the only circumstances Ford would return :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 05, 2012, 01:57:10 AM
Final Cut.
This. Pretty much the only one I can stand to watch anymore.
Excluding the voice over and happy ending, they're all so similar it hardly matters.
For my money I liked the workprint.
I can't really say why. I just do.
Is the voiceover really as annoying/tedious as I've heard it was?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2012, 04:43:20 PM
Is the voiceover really as annoying/tedious as I've heard it was?
It depends on your perspective. At the time it was just another part of the old school film noir detective story style. It wasn't offensive to me when I first saw it. People thought it was cheesy I think. And film snobs have always hated on VO because they've been cultivated to think it's lazy screenwriting.
In the end, the film stands better without it. Everything about the movie is pure class. The music, the visuals, the effects. The narration kept the movie in a pulp vacuum that didn't allow those other elements to breathe on their own.
I don't even remember if the VO was added after the film was cut together initially and it was demanded by the studio or if it was just an early gaffe of Ridley's.
Either way. The film is better without it.
Thanks for the explanation. Appreciate it.
I think I'm going to go with the Final Cut, then :)
The VO was forced, as shown by Ridley removing it every chance he's had since.
My problem isn't that there's a voice over, so much as Harrison Ford's delivery is so flat and forced it's unbearable. Which is understandable, considering he didn't want to do it either.
Bits of the voiceover were cool. The problem is when it's overly expository, and really a problem when it intrudes on scenes like
Spoiler
with Batty's death.
The film with the voiceover is more focused, without it, it has room to breathe.
ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204)
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 07, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
h^g$ewfqew >:(
im not going to lie i have never seen any of the blade runner's. what exactly are these movies about and would u put in on par with the first alien? :P
There's one Blade Runner (though many versions of it); it's the story of Rick Deckard, a retired blade runner in 2019 Los Angeles who is called back to hunt down and 'retire' several replicants that have recently highjacked a shuttle from the off-world colonies; and I'd say it's better.
In short, watch the film. Don't expect something action-packed, though.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 07, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204)
DAMN DAMN DAMN
Quote from: x-M-x on Feb 07, 2012, 01:43:53 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 07, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
h^g$ewfqew >:(
Quote from: r888 on Feb 07, 2012, 06:44:30 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 07, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=54204)
DAMN DAMN DAMN
Why're you fruitbowls freaking out over this? Honestly, a 70 year old Rick Deckard doesn't sound that enticing, and if he was in there, he
sure as shit wouldn't be retiring any Replicants.
Got the book for my birthday last week. Started reading it.
Suddenly, I like the movie even more now :P
I read the book before ever having seen the film. I enjoyed it quite a bit actually though it was never up to any comparison. However, when I did actually get round to seeing the film for the first time I was pretty much 'what the f**k is this shit?' throughout. By the end I didn't know what to feel. Part of me was in love with it's visual style but the other part felt duped out of a proper adaptation. It wasn't until my second watch that I could view Blade Runner as its own entity without constantly comparing and referencing Dick's book that I grew to really love and appreciate it.
So, I'm finally going to be seeing this film, probably within the next couple days. I'm borrowing a copy at the moment. I'm so excited! :D
Ting is, the disc has two different versions of the film on it. I remember being recommended the Final Cut, but that's on on this disc. Only the Theatrical and the Director's Cut. So, which version out of these two would you recommend to a first time viewer?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
So, I'm finally going to be seeing this film, probably within the next couple days. I'm borrowing a copy at the moment. I'm so excited! :D
Ting is, the disc has two different versions of the film on it. I remember being recommended the Final Cut, but that's on on this disc. Only the Theatrical and the Director's Cut. So, which version out of these two would you recommend to a first time viewer?
Preferably the Final Cut, but since you don't have it - go with the Theatrical. :)
Quote from: Michael Harper on Mar 18, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
So, I'm finally going to be seeing this film, probably within the next couple days. I'm borrowing a copy at the moment. I'm so excited! :D
Ting is, the disc has two different versions of the film on it. I remember being recommended the Final Cut, but that's on on this disc. Only the Theatrical and the Director's Cut. So, which version out of these two would you recommend to a first time viewer?
Preferably the Final Cut, but since you don't have it - go with the Theatrical. :)
OK, I'll go with that then. Depending on how much I like it, I'll probably check out the Director's Cut afterwards, anyways :)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 07, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Got the book for my birthday last week. Started reading it.
Suddenly, I like the movie even more now :P
I read the book years later, and found the connections from book to film to be pretty basic. Deckard hunts andys/ replicants. And that's about it. I never got a sense that the Scott LA was mirroring the Dick San Fran. San Fran struck me as dry and dusty, while LA was dark and constantly raining. Plus all the stuff with Mercer, Mood Organs, Buster Friendly, Deckard's wife, and hs desire to buy a real sheep are all absent.
Original BLADE RUNNER Screenwriter to Pen Sequel for Ridley Scott; Follow-Up Takes Place "Some Years" After First Film
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-sequel-hampton-fancher/167046/ (http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-sequel-hampton-fancher/167046/)
Quote from: ace3g on May 18, 2012, 01:16:24 AM
Original BLADE RUNNER Screenwriter to Pen Sequel for Ridley Scott; Follow-Up Takes Place "Some Years" After First Film
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-sequel-hampton-fancher/167046/ (http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-sequel-hampton-fancher/167046/)
Awesome news, my body is ready for this
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Harrison will not return in lead man form, the protagonist will be a woman.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24885 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24885)
Bring Stacey Nelkin from the 80's.
Make it happen CERN.
Quote from: Prime113 on May 18, 2012, 02:26:58 AM
Harrison will not return in lead man form, the protagonist will be a woman.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24885 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24885)
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oh f**k yesssss...
Spoiler
now just give her a headset and ponytail and i'm set to fapapapapaapapapapapappapppp
oh god
they're doing the videogame aren't they
I guess I now have more reason to hurry up and watch Blade Runner.
I want Bishop to be on this ;D
Quote from: Crazy Rich on May 18, 2012, 03:01:28 AM
I guess I now have more reason to hurry up and watch Blade Runner.
You've never watched Blade Runner? See it as soon as possible! :D
Quote from: Prime113 on May 18, 2012, 02:26:58 AM
Harrison will not return in lead man form, the protagonist will be a woman.
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QuoteMuch has been made of Scott's return to science fiction, three decades after he redefined the genre. After Prometheus, he has a follow-up to his other futuristic masterpiece, Blade Runner, in the works. It will be a sequel, he suggests, not a prequel or a remake – but Harrison Ford is unlikely to feature prominently. "I don't think it'll be Harry [starring]. But I've got to have him in it somewhere. That'd be amusing."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/is-ridley-scott-the-most-macho-man-in-movies-7782369.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/is-ridley-scott-the-most-macho-man-in-movies-7782369.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM#)
The elusion at the end of Blade Runner is that Deckard is a replicant. If replicants have a three year life span...then what place would Harrison Ford's character have in the film? Shouldn't Decker be dead by this point?
The only way I see this sequel working with Harrison Ford in it at all is if there is some backstory about how Deckard somehow beat his own programing and lived beyond the three-year life cycle of replicants. But for that to happen, he'd have to be much more than just a cameo in the film.
If Deckard is actually a human, then it would completely negate Ridley's original intention for the film...and that wouldn't make any sense to me.
Imho, it's probably best that Harrison Ford not be in any Blade Runner sequel.
I think he meant as a brief cameo. Which I think would be fine.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 27, 2012, 10:36:46 PM
QuoteMuch has been made of Scott's return to science fiction, three decades after he redefined the genre. After Prometheus, he has a follow-up to his other futuristic masterpiece, Blade Runner, in the works. It will be a sequel, he suggests, not a prequel or a remake – but Harrison Ford is unlikely to feature prominently. "I don't think it'll be Harry [starring]. But I've got to have him in it somewhere. That'd be amusing."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/is-ridley-scott-the-most-macho-man-in-movies-7782369.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/is-ridley-scott-the-most-macho-man-in-movies-7782369.html)
yes cameo please :)
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 29, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
The elusion at the end of Blade Runner is that Deckard is a replicant. If replicants have a three year life span...then what place would Harrison Ford's character have in the film? Shouldn't Decker be dead by this point?
The only way I see this sequel working with Harrison Ford in it at all is if there is some backstory about how Deckard somehow beat his own programing and lived beyond the three-year life cycle of replicants. But for that to happen, he'd have to be much more than just a cameo in the film.
If Deckard is actually a human, then it would completely negate Ridley's original intention for the film...and that wouldn't make any sense to me.
Imho, it's probably best that Harrison Ford not be in any Blade Runner sequel.
Although I still find some of Blade Runner a bit confusing, isn't it implied that him and her were repilicants who could live past three years?
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
But at least this debate has some substantial evidence to back up
both sides. Unlike the Bishop II debate where one side presents the evidence and the other refuses to accept it.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
No its not. Ridley himself confirmed his intention that Deckard was a replicant on the most recent DVD re-release of the film.
Quote from: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 04:07:14 PM
But at least this debate has some substantial evidence to back up both sides. Unlike the Bishop II debate where one side presents the evidence and the other refuses to accept it.
That's why Fincher needs to stop hiding from Alien3 and speak up about it...like Ridley did. :)
If anyone's read Future Noir, then it's very clear that Deckard was meant to be a replicant in the first cut of the film. The idea originated from something Fancher/Peoples wrote. One of them wrote that at the end Deckard's hand freezes up like Batty's. Fade to black. Another (Peoples, I'm sure) wrote that Deckard and the replicants shared the same creator, which was taken literally by Scott, and so they ran with the replicant idea. Of course, if the idea hadn't been there from the beginning, then they wouldn't have been able to reinsert the "Deckard is a replicant" scenes :P
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
No its not. Ridley himself confirmed his intention that Deckard was a replicant on the most recent DVD re-release of the film.
And Ford says he's human.
And since when does a work's creator have sole domain over the interpretation of that piece?
Apparently Ford's regressed on that opinion ... according to Scott :P I wonder what Fancher thinks now, with the sequel in progress.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 03, 2012, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
No its not. Ridley himself confirmed his intention that Deckard was a replicant on the most recent DVD re-release of the film.
And Ford says he's human.
And since when does a work's creator have sole domain over the interpretation of that piece?
Especially one as notorious a stance changer as Scott.
Quote from: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 04:07:14 PM
But at least this debate has some substantial evidence to back up both sides. Unlike the Bishop II debate where one side presents the evidence and the other refuses to accept it.
There are multiple conflicting official words from Fox, that is why people still talk about it. It doesn't really matter because fans still pick what they prefer; that's how it always works.
Exclusive: Director Ridley Scott Describes a Scene from the BLADE RUNNER SequelQuote"There'll be a vast farmland where there are no hedges or anything in sight, and it's flat like the plains of—where's the Great Plains in America? Kansas, where you can see for miles. And it's dirt, but it's being raked. On the horizon is a combine harvester which is futuristic with klieg lights, 'cause it's dawn. The harvester is as big as six houses. In the foreground is a small white clapboard hut with a porch as if it was from Grapes of Wrath. From the right comes a car, coming in about six feet off the ground being chased by a dog. And that's the end of it, I'm not gonna tell you anything else."
http://collider.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-2-sequel-interview/170633/ (http://collider.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-2-sequel-interview/170633/)
Ah, he's doing THAT scene.
Unf.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 03, 2012, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
It's open to debate either way which side of the fence Deckard was on... This is a debate as old as time itself. :)
No its not. Ridley himself confirmed his intention that Deckard was a replicant on the most recent DVD re-release of the film.
And Ford says he's human.
And since when does a work's creator have sole domain over the interpretation of that piece?
Intention - yes. Interpretation - no.
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2012, 04:42:00 AM
Exclusive: Director Ridley Scott Describes a Scene from the BLADE RUNNER Sequel
Quote"There'll be a vast farmland where there are no hedges or anything in sight, and it's flat like the plains of—where's the Great Plains in America? Kansas, where you can see for miles. And it's dirt, but it's being raked. On the horizon is a combine harvester which is futuristic with klieg lights, 'cause it's dawn. The harvester is as big as six houses. In the foreground is a small white clapboard hut with a porch as if it was from Grapes of Wrath. From the right comes a car, coming in about six feet off the ground being chased by a dog. And that's the end of it, I'm not gonna tell you anything else."
http://collider.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-2-sequel-interview/170633/ (http://collider.com/ridley-scott-blade-runner-2-sequel-interview/170633/)
Sounds just like a scene from an early Fancher script of BR. Deckard travels to a farmhouse, kills a guy, and rips out the dude's jaw - revealing that he's an android.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2FFarmSq1.jpg&hash=0ce9c02a24269811271b537f86f08f4bc98d8980)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2FFarmSq5.jpg&hash=7992dcd40e5d26645c6dbffa198d88244d4af9b2)
Same sort of imagery.
I haven't seen Prometheus yet, but I know it's giving a lot of criticism against Scott. However, due to the fact that will probably blame any mistake on Prometheus's screenwriter, I still have faith in Scott to develop a good visually striking Blade Runner sequel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiPNMTKgn0Q#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiPNMTKgn0Q#ws)
I felt the need to post this because it is so cool...
Nevertheless, i myself, after seeing Prometheus, hopes that Ridley can do this sequel justice and not try to dumb it down or do something stupid to appease the masses.
I dont get why hes doing this. If he was gonna do a sequel he should have done it while Harrison was younger surely?
I mean will he even be able to get the rest of the cast back from the original?
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 18, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
I mean will he even be able to get the rest of the cast back from the original?
no point. if it's a prequel they'd all be too old to reprise their roles as three year old androids, and if it's a sequel all but four characters in the movie are dead as doornails anyway.
as for why he's doing it, well.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeremy.abbett.net%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2Fbladerunner_owl.png&hash=f24099c8f72f2e7e81955b66b683c03a9962e029)
must be
expensive.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fheadlines%2Fheadline23747.jpg&hash=9425e36f08112e20af5e9dab4a7f754cb5c59ac8)
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/ (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/)
...nope.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 30, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline23747.jpg
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/ (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2Ftumblr_m5fi5dV7Mr1ro9aec.gif&hash=c20ad890a3fab260f15e15ce2822cceaebc17dc9)
I don't know anything about her, except that I don't like her music. Has she done any acting?
Anyways, stranger things can happen. Reba McEntire making her film debut in Tremors, for example. Granted, I know Tremors and Blade Runner are nothing alike (a cult classic that just happens to be my favorite film vs a piece of classic cinematic history), but I'm just saying strange things have happened and worked.
Odds are, though, its not going to happen. So why I'm wasting my time posting this, I don't even know :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2012, 03:04:08 AM
I don't know anything about her, except that I don't like her music. Has she done any acting?
Anyways, stranger things can happen. Reba McEntire making her film debut in Tremors, for example. Granted, I know Tremors and Blade Runner are nothing alike (a cult classic that just happens to be my favorite film vs a piece of classic cinematic history), but I'm just saying strange things have happened and worked.
Odds are, though, its not going to happen. So why I'm wasting my time posting this, I don't even know :P
The only acting I know of is when she appeared in Raising Hope. She did a good job for the part she was given.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 12:59:44 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 30, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline23747.jpg
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/ (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/)
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/tumblr_m5fi5dV7Mr1ro9aec.gif
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flolvirgin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FU-must-be-new-here.jpg&hash=052729afec72e4b2968676f39c910277942f1dd1)
No not really.
In that case, I pity you, my son.
:D
No one questions ShadowPred's motives dammit!
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 12:59:44 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 30, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline23747.jpg
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/ (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/)
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/tumblr_m5fi5dV7Mr1ro9aec.gif
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m387wkILgZ1qztwte.gif&hash=78dedc8088647aad934c886ef40dc52d5cb830e3)
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 12:59:44 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 30, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline23747.jpg
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/ (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/katy-perry-blade-runner-2/)
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/tumblr_m5fi5dV7Mr1ro9aec.gif
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2Ftumblr_lotlz1JP9T1qfwul3o1_400.gif&hash=78b8320d1b80026f433f8949d4bc23af5009141d)
Please dont rape and kill that lady.
Spoiler
And dress yourself in her skin.
I assure you, there are some gentlemen here like that.
But Shadow is not one of them, kay.
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
Please dont rape and kill that lady.
Spoiler
And dress yourself in her skin.
Oh, this is priceless.
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F69.imagebam.com%2Fdownload%2FU-G4BdkHu500WgXzz3I69A%2F19960%2F199590961%2Fcharlize_omg.gif&hash=507f8de12f4b9fec9a5b03a304a93d6cc302a475)
Quote from: Keg on Jul 01, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2Fbarugon.gif&hash=23d5d6cb9255e2cf150282272cc09b40803366e7)
Quote from: Keg on Jul 01, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
/mindblown
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jul 01, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/barugon.gif
Props for the gif and brilliant reaction. :laugh:
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 01, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jul 01, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/barugon.gif
Props for the gif and brilliant reaction. :laugh:
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 01, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jul 01, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I have a confession Shadowpred. I already did that years ago. I have been wearing a Zooey "skin dress" for some years now (I had a blast filming New Girl and nobody noticed the difference).
You're obsession has been ME!
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/barugon.gif
Props for the gif and brilliant reaction. :laugh:
I try to please everyone.
Quote from: Vickers on Jul 01, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
http://69.imagebam.com/download/U-G4BdkHu500WgXzz3I69A/19960/199590961/charlize_omg.gif
Shit, Vickers has Theron gifs? I need jockey gifs now...
Quote from: Vickers on Jul 01, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Jul 01, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
I find your excessive use of zooey deschanel GIFS somewhat disturbing, seriously what's up with that?
http://69.imagebam.com/download/U-G4BdkHu500WgXzz3I69A/19960/199590961/charlize_omg.gif
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F28.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lw7nvvlnPu1qf5l3do1_500.gif&hash=bb66543334fe8905f241c33e26e95447b258d818)
We're all so nice and open here...
SO BLADE RUNNER, HUH
A masterpiece.
I was actually going to buy the Final Cut yesterday, but put it down (I didn't want to spend the money at the moment). I've only ever seen the movie once, and it was the Director's Cut. When I saw it, I really liked it, but was left a bit...confused. Not that the plot was too confusing, its just that something didn't feel right, and I'm not sure what it was. All I know is that right now, for some reason, I'm really in the mood to see it again.
Blade Runner 30th Anniversary blu-ray to be released October 23rd this year:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81jxALuym4L._AA1500_.jpg&hash=96e130aef180407d86e74eecfc2467e16fbc4092)
Basically contains everything from The Final Cut set released awhile back with new extras/collectibles.
Quote from: Rick Grimes on Aug 18, 2012, 02:30:23 AM
Blade Runner 30th Anniversary blu-ray to be released October 23rd this year:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81jxALuym4L._AA1500_.jpg&hash=96e130aef180407d86e74eecfc2467e16fbc4092)
Basically contains everything from The Final Cut set released awhile back with new extras/collectibles.
OHH FFS!! I just bought this on Bluray the other day. >:(
:laugh:
Which version did you buy?
Just to check, does anyone know if that contains every cut of the film?
Yes. It contains every cut that has been released.
Good. 8)
Well, I didn't get the briefcase, but this 30th Anniversary set sure looks delicious.
Quote from: Rick Grimes on Aug 18, 2012, 02:30:23 AM
Blade Runner 30th Anniversary blu-ray to be released October 23rd this year:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81jxALuym4L._AA1500_.jpg&hash=96e130aef180407d86e74eecfc2467e16fbc4092)
Basically contains everything from The Final Cut set released awhile back with new extras/collectibles.
MINE
anyone else play the click adventure game? it's a gold mine for lore.
I've wanted to, just never gotten around to it.
I will, eventually.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 19, 2012, 08:07:52 PM
I've wanted to, just never gotten around to it.
I will, eventually.
it's not that hard to find. there's a torrent with a decent amount of seeders.
it's got a problem with most modern computers though, resolution's all screwed so you gotta alt-tab constantly. some scenes need to be slowed down with a CPU killer too.
Emma Stone in a "Blade Runner" esque photo shoot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.comicbookmovie.com%2Fimages%2Fusers%2Fuploads%2F8073%2Fstonebladerunner81620126.jpeg&hash=afb5f3643042b1f132bd5b896c2cdf4d9e67f017)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=66450 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=66450)
Fantastic photos.
she looks good, great set. :)
I love Emma Stone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM#)
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/9d77c4d0-f85b-11e1-baf1-22000a1d0930-20120906 (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/9d77c4d0-f85b-11e1-baf1-22000a1d0930-20120906)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs&feature=player_embedded#!)
That, Fifield, is how you howl.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2012, 02:19:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhJ7Mf2Oxs&feature=player_embedded#!)
That's the Final Cut trailer with the 30th anniversary tagged on a the end. Still, probably one of my favourite trailers though it gives a lot away.
http://www.zimbio.com/Ridley+Scott/articles/3Ga3jP7chiS/Blade+Runner+2+Currently+Feature+Original (http://www.zimbio.com/Ridley+Scott/articles/3Ga3jP7chiS/Blade+Runner+2+Currently+Feature+Original)
There's already 1 complete draft at least :)
What gives me hope is that it was done by the same writer of the original... fingers crossed :)
QuoteCurrently scouting locations with the Gran Canaria Film Commission, Ridley spoke of the Blade Runner 2 script progress.
"Yesterday I read the first script for Blade Runner 2, we have been working on it for six or seven weeks now. It includes some of the original characters. Everything is still in it's early stages, but this draft is really good. "~ Ridley Scott
Interesting.
Really don't know how to feel about this, though. As much as I'd love to see more of the world, the first film doesn't really need a sequel...
Alien didnt need a sequel either.. but look at how Aliens came out.
Godfather as well.
Can they explore the universe in a way that makes sense?
Ridley was tempted to bridge the Alien universe with Blade Runner during the making of Prometheus...
Could he try to do the same again here? :P Dont expect alien eggs popping out.. but maybe a young Weyland Corp. and Guy Pearce will show up. :laugh:
Only if David 1 gouges his eyes out ;)
I was thinking about David 1 as well... :laugh:
but i have the feeling this film will probably still be about genetic replicants...
Ah, man, this project really interests me.
I just hope Riddles doesn't forget about The Forever War in the meantime.
You keep mentioning 'dat book...Gonna have to read it this summer.
You must.
Honestly, one of the best books I've ever read. I've reread it at least 3 or 4 times, and it's only gotten more powerful and moving with each subsequent reading.
It's one of my favorite stories, period.
Such a good book. To echo both 'Marines & Sweeper, read it Nightmare.
Yes, Forever War is one of the best commentaries on war ever.
Jeff Sneider @TheInSneider
EXCLUSIVE: MICHAEL GREEN to rewrite BLADE RUNNER sequel!
Borys Kit @Borys_Kit
Who is Green? He did rewrites on ROBOPOCALYPSE and Warners's GODS AND KINGS.
May this return to perpetual development hell where this belongs.
For better or worse it sounds to me like it's going through the same type of development process Blade Runner and Prometheus did.
Interesting, I guess. I'll remain cautiously optimistic for the time being.
....the writer of Green Lantern...
:-X
Well, at least Aspie will be happy.
Quote from: ace3g on May 31, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
Jeff Sneider @TheInSneider
EXCLUSIVE: MICHAEL GREEN to rewrite BLADE RUNNER sequel!
Borys Kit @Borys_Kit
Who is Green? He did rewrites on ROBOPOCALYPSE and Warners's GODS AND KINGS.
Green Lantern... Sex and the City... Smallville... euch.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 31, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: ace3g on May 31, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
Jeff Sneider @TheInSneider
EXCLUSIVE: MICHAEL GREEN to rewrite BLADE RUNNER sequel!
Borys Kit @Borys_Kit
Who is Green? He did rewrites on ROBOPOCALYPSE and Warners's GODS AND KINGS.
Green Lantern... Sex and the City... Smallville... euch.
Well, this makes it essential that I see the first movie before I am influenced by the prequel/sequel in any way, shape or form.
Writer aside, I hope that this is more of a spin-off than an actual sequel. Another movie set in the same universe could be interesting, but I don't really feel the need to see Deckard or any of the other main characters again.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on May 31, 2013, 11:19:35 PM
Well, this makes it essential that I see the first movie before I am influenced by the prequel/sequel in any way, shape or form.
Watch it as soon as you can. And if possible go for the Final Cut.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 31, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
Green Lantern... Sex and the City... Smallville... euch.
Yikes. :-X
...are they"that" desperate for scifi writers? lol.
Quote from: ace3g on May 31, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
Jeff Sneider @TheInSneider
EXCLUSIVE: MICHAEL GREEN to rewrite BLADE RUNNER sequel!
Borys Kit @Borys_Kit
Who is Green? He did rewrites on ROBOPOCALYPSE and Warners's GODS AND KINGS.
I think I see a pattern. Ridley Scott process: Get a first passed draft, and then get another writer who will do anything you want for a majorly re-written draft.
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 31, 2013, 11:38:13 PM
...are they"that" desperate for scifi writers? lol.
Heh, for some reason this post reminded me of
Mute, the
Blade Runner-esque film supposedly set in the same universe as
Moon that Duncan Jones wants to make.
And now I'm sad that, for the time being, that isn't happening :(
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 31, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
I think I see a pattern. Ridley Scott process: Get a first passed draft, and then get another writer who will do anything you want for a majorly re-written draft.
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Just combine Prometheus and Blade Runner already.
What good would that do?
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 01, 2013, 12:28:26 AM
What good would that do?
Regardless of the outcome, at least this next installment of Blade Runner would have a better chance at being treated better if Prometheus was attached to it.
Meh, I never really bought into the Alien and Blade Runner sharing a universe thing.
That being said, I do find the films (and Prometheus as well) to be highly compatible on a thematic level. So I guess I wouldn't mind a tiny, cryptic reference to Alien or Prometheus, but really I'd just prefer that Blade Runner stays its own thing.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2013, 12:52:06 AM
Meh, I never really bought into the Alien and Blade Runner sharing a universe thing.
That being said, I do find the films (and Prometheus as well) to be highly compatible on a thematic level. So I guess I wouldn't mind a tiny, cryptic reference to Alien or Prometheus, but really I'd just prefer that Blade Runner stays its own thing.
As would I, but damn, at least give this next Blade Runner a fighting chance.
Blade Runner doesn't need Alien or Prometheus to have a 'fighting chance' though.
Far from it, actually.
I have zero faith in Michael Green.
Doesn't have a solid credit to his name, but that would effect box office performance, since the majority of movie-goers know f**k-all about a writer's credentials... or writers at all.
I'm talking about quality.
I'd say that depends on more factors than just Michael Green (though he's obviously going to play a large role as well). There's also the first draft which, for all we know, could remain relatively intact. Then there's Ridley Scott who, like Sweeps was saying, probably has a tight grip on Green at the moment. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is unknown for the time being.
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 01, 2013, 01:54:21 AM
I'm talking about quality.
Stop flip-flopping and speak clearly then, dammit.
Anyways, Green had a hand in writing Green Lantern, so clearly we're down for
some real fun.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2013, 02:00:41 AM
I'd say that depends on more factors than just Michael Green (though he's obviously going to play a large role as well). There's also the first draft which, for all we know, could remain relatively intact. Then there's Ridley Scott who, like Sweeps was saying, probably has a tight grip on Green at the moment. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is unknown at the moment.
I'm saying a bad thing, really. Ridley Scott is very confused in what it is he's trying to express but he plays it off as if it's clear to him... until the next interview. It can be seen in Prometheus, unfortunately. And Damon Lindelof as he shifts uncomfortably as Ridley speaks.
In reality, um, what you did not expect is, um, that Deckard is actually *puffs cigar* an alien crab. I thought, um, that it would be a good idea, we assume he is a replicant or, eh, a human, because of our indoctrination, so, um, what if he is a crab from outer space? That is the pitch for the movie.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Jun 01, 2013, 05:31:38 AM
In reality, um, what you did not expect is, um, that Deckard is actually *puffs cigar* an alien crab.
Spoiler
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I dont know how I feel about anyone returning to Blade Runner.
I like it by its self.
Ridley $cott ha$ hi$ rea$on$.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Jun 01, 2013, 05:31:38 AM
In reality, um, what you did not expect is, um, that Deckard is actually *puffs cigar* an alien crab. I thought, um, that it would be a good idea, we assume he is a replicant or, eh, a human, because of our indoctrination, so, um, what if he is a crab from outer space? That is the pitch for the movie.
...
WE'LL FUND YOU $250 MIL.
He's already got tons of $$$.
The man is getting old and probably wants to do a couple of scifi movies
to prove to the world that he's still got the "chops" :P
But he hasnt. :P
We're talking about the man who wants to make a Monopoly movie. Creative thrill has never been at the top of Riddlez's to-do list :P
Starring Ridley Scott as Monopolymin.
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2013, 06:35:37 AM
We're talking about the man who wants to make a Monopoly movie. Creative thrill has never been at the top of Riddlez's to-do list :P
And that flick never moved forward. :P He also passed on trying to do a Halo movie.. a friggin HALO movie.. wich would be a guaranteed H$T. :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 01, 2013, 06:40:00 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2013, 06:35:37 AM
We're talking about the man who wants to make a Monopoly movie. Creative thrill has never been at the top of Riddlez's to-do list :P
And that flick never moved forward. :P He also passed on trying to do a Halo movie.. a friggin HALO movie.. wich would be a guaranteed H$T. :P
But that was
before Halo 2. It was popular amongst gamers, but it wasn't the multi-media juggernaut it is now.
You would know better than me. :P Curious that he never chased that one after Halo really hit it big, though.
I'm interested in seeing what he does with Cormac Mccarthy's The Counselor. :P
That one gets released later this year.....
http://scriptshadow.blogspot.pt/2012/02/screenplay-review-counselor-return-of.html (http://scriptshadow.blogspot.pt/2012/02/screenplay-review-counselor-return-of.html)
Spoiler
Cameron Diaz f**ks a car in that film. Off screen, sadly.. but still. :laugh:
Quote"It was like one of those catfish things. One of those bottom feeders you see going up the side of the aquarium. Sucking its way up the glass...hallucinatory...You see a thing like that, it changes you."
:laugh:
Really think he was probably the wrong director for that, but we'll see.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 01, 2013, 01:39:01 AM
Doesn't have a solid credit to his name, but that would effect box office performance, since the majority of movie-goers know f**k-all about a writer's credentials... or writers at all.
most of time they don't even know anything about directors and frequently very little to none about actors as well.
Ridley Scott not doing Forever War immediately made me sad in the pants. He'll probably die before he gets around to it looking at his schedule.
He's one of the few directors I'd trust to make the movie, and right now it would be a relevant picture because it deals with soldiers coming back from war. The majority of the book focuses on homecoming and how the culture is alien to returning veterans.
Admittingly the book takes it to a much further degree, but the priciple theme is still there.
I'd only trust him with the visual side of The Forever War. He wouldn't give two shits about the novel's themes.
Bigelowwww.
She'd be my #1 choice.
Scott has done just as well with war themes. Black Hawk Down is considered a pretty exceptional war movie and it is definately based more on reality than Bigelow's The Hurt Locker.
I think that thematically she could do very well, because Hurt Locker actually touches on very similar themes and she has done one scifi that I know about which I consider to be a very underrated movie in Strange Days. But at this point I don't know if the Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty combined would make me prefer Bigelow over Scott.
I wouldn't mind though if it did end up in her hands, because lots of stuff the writers got wrong or intentionally turned a blind eye too in the Hurt Locker in the name of storytelling can simply be explained away by changing doctrine, technology, and the fact that these are elite conscripts with a high disposition for physical fitness AND IQ's over 150.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 02, 2013, 01:30:57 AM
Scott has done just as well with war themes. Black Hawk Down is considered a pretty exceptional war movie
If you ham-fisted, jingoistic crap is your thing, yeah.
1. Ridley Scott
2. Duncan Jones
3. Bigelow
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 02, 2013, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 02, 2013, 01:30:57 AM
Scott has done just as well with war themes. Black Hawk Down is considered a pretty exceptional war movie
If you ham-fisted, jingoistic crap is your thing, yeah.
Slightly ham fisted I agree but still based in reality with events that actually happened.
Still much closer to actual military doctrine than ANYTHING in the Hurt Locker. Even the most pog fobbit remf can tell you what is wrong with Hurt Locker. It just isn't realistic. At all. There is SO MUCH bullshit that all I can do is wow and shake my head. I think what pisses most military personnel off about it isn't that its a bad movie, it IS a good movie if you can suspend disbelief, its that everybody thats never served thinks its some kind of holy grail for what its really like out there. Like its our generations FMJ or something. When had that eod team acted the way they did they would've been court martialed, hurt, or killed.
It's not like an 80's actioner where you know to suspend disbelief. It portrays everything as being the real deal.
But like I said, the director/writer can get rid of all that in the forever war simply because its the future. Doctrine/technology etc changes.
It's already happened in the Army. The technological advantages/firepower/logistics/control advantages have led to smaller squad sizes than in the past.
You completely miss the point of The Hurt Locker -- it's not to show the minute details of day-to-day military protocol, it's a character study of the type of people that go career military, get off on it, and have no capacity to function in the real world anymore.
Cvalda, I think you'd really like The Forever War.
What I'm trying to say is read The Forever War.
It's on The List.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Geez I just found out old Riddles is 75! if he wants to make certain films he really had better get a move on! forgive me for being gloomy.
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 02, 2013, 02:05:52 AM
You completely miss the point of The Hurt Locker -- it's not to show the minute details of day-to-day military protocol, it's a character study of the type of people that go career military, get off on it, and have no capacity to function in the real world anymore.
No I didn't Cvalda. I've already mentioned that thematically it is very similar to Forever War.
Spoiler
Which is about veterans returning to Earth and because of relativity finding it changed from what they remember. Said people are so different by the end of the tour from the people of Earth that they leave to settle elsewhere.
It's all an allegory for people not being adjusted to civilian life after returning home from combat tours and is based on Haldeman's service in Vietnam.
The only major difference is that nobody in Forever War chooses to go back because they like the job. They leave because they can't adjust and the only normal people to them are in the military.
Katy Perry Says She Wants To Play 'Rachael' In BLADE RUNNER 2
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=84487#h7tHbvuuBbtpJhg0.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=84487#h7tHbvuuBbtpJhg0.99)
This is her second time saying this, I believe.
.....just keep singing your shit songs, Katy...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Katy Perry Says She Wants To Play 'Rachael' In BLADE RUNNER 2
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=84487#h7tHbvuuBbtpJhg0.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=84487#h7tHbvuuBbtpJhg0.99)
This is her second time saying this, I believe.
Make it so.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 30, 2013, 03:03:40 PM.....just keep singing your shit songs, Katy...
I'd say she's talented as a whole artist, not only as a musician. So, give her a shot.
I've never seen Katy Perry act, so I can't say one way or the other. I will say, though, that I doubt she will even be considered (if the movie is ever even made, that is), But on the off chance that the movie does happen and she is in it, I certainly hope that she is not a recasted Rachael. I'd rather see them use original characters in an original story set in the world that the first film established.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2013, 04:21:34 PMI've never seen Katy Perry act, so I can't say one way or the other.
She has the charisma and the emotions, I've seen her in live performances. I'm pretty sure she can be a good actress.
Sean Young Wants To Be In New BLADE RUNNER...And Thinks You Should Boycott If She Isn't!
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=85064#kDlzLX2bdKbXgK51.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=85064#kDlzLX2bdKbXgK51.99)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 08, 2013, 12:46:26 PM
Sean Young Wants To Be In New BLADE RUNNER...And Thinks You Should Boycott If She Isn't!
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=85064#kDlzLX2bdKbXgK51.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=85064#kDlzLX2bdKbXgK51.99)
Young has been quite the crazy for a long, long time.
and crazy hot, too. :D
Harrison Ford Reveals Ongoing Talks With Ridley Scott On BLADE RUNNER 2
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/movienewsandreviews/news/?a=88221#R6WZDymrsL3zQDoY.99 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/movienewsandreviews/news/?a=88221#R6WZDymrsL3zQDoY.99)
START FILMING DAMMIT
Public offer made to Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Deckard in Blade Runner II.
QuoteAlcon Entertainment has an offer out to Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Rick Deckard in its sequel to "Blade Runner," to be directed by the original's helmer, Ridley Scott.
Hampton Fancher, co-writer of the screenplay of the iconic 1982 sci-fi film, and Michael Green are the screenwriters. The story in the sequel is being kept under wraps other than being set several decades after the conclusion of the original — which took place in a dystopian 2019 Los Angeles.
Alcon has been working on the project for over three years, since announcing in early 2011 that it had secured film, TV and ancillary franchise rights to produce prequels and sequels.
In August 2011, Scott committed to direct. Green came on board to work with Fancher a year ago.
"We believe that Hampton Fancher and Michael Green have crafted with Ridley Scott an extraordinary sequel to one of the greatest films of all time," said Alcon toppers Andrew Kosove and Broderick Johnson. "We would be honored, and we are hopeful, that Harrison will be part of our project."
It's unusual for producers to make a public offer to a high-profile actor. There was no immediate response from representatives for Ford, who is set to reprise his Han Solo role in Disney's "Star Wars Episode VII."
In the original "Blade Runner," Rutger Hauer played the leader of a group of escaped "replicants" — genetically engineered androids used for work on Earth's off-world colonies — who are hiding out in a 2019 version of Los Angeles. Ford's Rick Deckard character is a "blade runner," a police officer who kills replicants when necessary.
The film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1993.
The 2011 deal with producer Bud Yorkin gave Alcon the film, TV and ancillary franchise rights for "Blade Runner" prequels and sequels. Yorkin will be a producer on the sequel with Kosove and Johnson and Cynthia Sikes Yorkin will co-produce. Frank Giustra and Tim Gamble, the CEOs of Thunderbird Films, will exec produce.
Fancher and David Peoples adapted "Blade Runner" from Philip K. Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"
Scott directed in his third film following "The Duelists" and "Alien." The film was nominated for Academy Awards for visual effects and art direction.
Alcon fully finances its films and has an output deal with Warner Bros., which distributed the original "Blade Runner."
"Blade Runner" was the first of Dick's works to be adapted into a film by Hollywood, setting the stage for "Total Recall," "A Scanner Darkly," "Minority Report," "Paycheck" and "The Adjustment Bureau."
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/harrison-ford-offered-role-in-blade-runner-sequel-1201182260/ (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/harrison-ford-offered-role-in-blade-runner-sequel-1201182260/)
I don't wanna see this happen with Ford in his current aged grumpy uninterested state, I'm worried about how he'll come across in Star Wars!
Ridley Scott: 'Martian,' 'Blade Runner,' 'Prometheus' sequels are all written
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/25/ridley-scott-the-martian-blade-runner-prometheus-sequels/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/25/ridley-scott-the-martian-blade-runner-prometheus-sequels/)
Prometheus sequel for 2020, then. :laugh:
Lets get on with Prometheus 2 please.
Apparently Ford's read the script:
http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/blade-runner-2/239261/exclusive-blade-runner-2-script-is-finished (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/blade-runner-2/239261/exclusive-blade-runner-2-script-is-finished)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2014, 01:37:53 PM
Apparently Ford's read the script:
http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/blade-runner-2/239261/exclusive-blade-runner-2-script-is-finished (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/blade-runner-2/239261/exclusive-blade-runner-2-script-is-finished)
Hoping he turns it down but I'm sure they can sway him with a boatload of cash.
He already has a butload of $$$.
I think he's gonna be so busy with the Star Wars sequel trilogy that he wont do it.
Well, at this pace he is going to be an actual cyborg by the time the movie's shooting ;D
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 21, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
He already has a butload of $$$.
I think he's gonna be so busy with the Star Wars sequel trilogy that he wont do it.
I'm basing this on nothing, but I can totally imagine them killing off Han. Hope they don't though.
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-director-ridley-scott-2015/#more-373591 (http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-director-ridley-scott-2015/#more-373591)
Ridley won't be directing
F*CK YOU SCOTT >:(
TRAITOR
COWARD
I HATE YOUUU :-\
SON OF A B*TCH !!
BAD PERSON !!!
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AAAARRRGHGHGH !!!
Good choice Ridley.....good choice!
Now Ford really needs to not make this film and all will be fine.
If they want to milk Blade Runner for more movies that's fine......just don't make an unnecessary sequel that nobody wants.
Quote from: jacc.90 on Nov 26, 2014, 11:16:26 AM
F*CK YOU SCOTT >:(
TRAITOR
COWARD
I HATE YOUUU :-\
SON OF A B*TCH !!
BAD PERSON !!!
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/220/7r3USE.jpg
AAAARRRGHGHGH !!!
jacc.90 has returned!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2014, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: jacc.90 on Nov 26, 2014, 11:16:26 AM
F*CK YOU SCOTT >:(
TRAITOR
COWARD
I HATE YOUUU :-\
SON OF A B*TCH !!
BAD PERSON !!!
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/220/7r3USE.jpg
AAAARRRGHGHGH !!!
jacc.90 has returned!
Awwww you were missing me :3
<3
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 26, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
Good choice Ridley.....good choice!
Now Ford really needs to not make this film and all will be fine.
If they want to milk Blade Runner for more movies that's fine......just don't make an unnecessary sequel that nobody wants.
Might as well give it to Michael Bay to direct.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 26, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 26, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
Good choice Ridley.....good choice!
Now Ford really needs to not make this film and all will be fine.
If they want to milk Blade Runner for more movies that's fine......just don't make an unnecessary sequel that nobody wants.
Might as well give it to Michael Bay to direct.
No they should give it to a good director. They just don't need to make a sequel. They can make another film set in the Blade Runner universe, they just don't need to have Deckard in it.
Ah ok, I thought you were being sarcastic!
Yeah, I agree it would have been better if it was only set in that world rather than being a direct sequel. It is an incredibly rich world with lots of possibilities. I just hope it keeps the same aesthetic as the original film.
I'd love to see a movie that begins on Mars and shows the escape of a different group of Replicants. The whole movie would be from their perspective.
The way I imagine it you would see the horrors of sentient beings realising that they are slaves to others.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 26, 2014, 07:16:05 AM
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-director-ridley-scott-2015/#more-373591 (http://collider.com/blade-runner-2-director-ridley-scott-2015/#more-373591)
Ridley won't be directing
Looks like he might have had a change of heart.
https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-i-could-still-direct-blade-runner-104242760001.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-i-could-still-direct-blade-runner-104242760001.html)
QuoteDenis Villeneuve (Prisoners, Incendies) is in negotiations to direct the Blade Runner sequel for Alcon Entertainment, while Harrison Ford is set to return as Rick Deckard.
The announcement was made today by Alcon co-founders Andrew Kosove and Broderick Johnson.
"We are honored that Harrison is joining us on this journey with Denis Villeneuve, who is a singular talent, as we experienced personally on Prisoners" said the pair in a statement.
The sequel, written by Hampton Fancher (who co-wrote the original) and Michael Green (who is also signed on for Prometheus 2 screenwriting duties) will be based on an idea by Fancher and original Blade Runner director Ridely Scott.
Blade Runner 2's story will take place "several decades" after the 1982 original. Shooting is set to begin in the US Summer, 2016.
Villeneuve is a French Canadian director, best known to American audiences for his work on the 2013 thriller Prisoners. He was nominated for a Best Foreign Language Film Academy Award in 2011 for his drama flick Incendies.
Blade Runner 2 will be released straight to VHS and DVD. No Blu-Ray release planned.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/27/blade-runner-sequel-finds-a-director-ford-to-return (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/27/blade-runner-sequel-finds-a-director-ford-to-return)
"Straight to VHS and DVD. No Blu-Ray release planned."
What?
Ford: 'I'll stop when I've ruined all of my films'
::)
'Blade Runner' Sequel Officially Announced; Will Begin Filming This July
QuoteAn announcement was made today that Warner Bros. Pictures will distribute Alcon Entertainment's follow-up to Ridley Scott's 1982 masterpiece Blade Runner here in the States, with Sony handling all of international.
Denis Villeneuve (Prisoners) is confirmed to be directing the film starring Ryan Gosling (The Big Short, Drive) and Harrison Ford (Indiana Jones, Star Wars) who is reprising his role as Rick Deckard.
Hampton Fancher (co-writer of the original) and Michael Green have written the original screenplay based on an idea by Fancher and Ridley Scott. The story takes place several decades after the conclusion of the 1982 original.
Even bigger news as the release firms plans to produce prequels and sequels to the iconic science-fiction thriller. Cynthia Sikes Yorkin will produce along with Johnson and Kosove. Bud Yorkin will receive producer credit.
Frank Giustra and Tim Gamble, CEO's of Thunderbird Films, will serve as executive producers. Ridley Scott will also executive produce.
Principal photography on Villenueve's new Blade Runner film is scheduled to begin in July 2016.
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3377746/blade-runner-sequel-officially-announced-will-begin-filming-july/
Good to see that Harrison Ford back. At least he is not going to be replace.
He's dead in this too
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/715665947990708225
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/716328462030651400
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/723327998313684992
Dave Bautista? UHHHH GET OUT.
Harrison better be the 'MAIN ROLE' in this movie seriously....
i want this guy jumping off roofs gun shooting etc.
only thing im pissed about it, R Scott isn't directing.
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 22, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
Dave Bautista? UHHHH GET OUT.
Harrison better be the 'MAIN ROLE' in this movie seriously....
i want this guy jumping off roofs gun shooting etc.
only thing im pissed about it, R Scott isn't directing.
Denis Villeneuve is probably better director these days. I wish Villeneuve made Alien sequel/prequel, maybe after Blade Runner 2.
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/725092484771110913
https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/740245547215290368
'Blade Runner' Sequel Adds Barkhad Abdi to Cast
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QuoteBarkhad Abdi, who earned an Academy Award nomination for his screen debut in 2013's Captain Phillips, is the latest actor to join Alcon Entertainment's Blade Runner sequel, whose cast includes headliners Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford and Robin Wright.
THR (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/blade-runner-sequel-adds-barkhad-906990)
God that guy has a gigantic head. It's like a lightbulb...
He was fantastic in Captain Phillips (great film). Can't argue with this addition.
So is this movie a sequel or prequel.
Quote from: frenchfries on Jun 30, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
So is this movie a sequel or prequel.
Don't know, but it's a mistake...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 30, 2016, 06:37:06 PM
He was fantastic in Captain Phillips (great film). Can't argue with this addition.
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eww, looks like they are going to try and "modernize" this like they did with Prometheus with all those holographic billboards and shit.
It's all just so Generic-Futuristic-City(TM) looking, it may as well be concept art for the next Mass Effect or Deus Ex game. It certainly ain't Blade Runner.
https://twitter.com/ComicBook_Movie/status/766402650485116928
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 18, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
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eww, looks like they are going to try and "modernize" this like they did with Prometheus with all those holographic billboards and shit.
It's all just so Generic-Futuristic-City(TM) looking, it may as well be concept art for the next Mass Effect or Deus Ex game. It certainly ain't Blade Runner.
Blade Runner created that look...
Truthfully I think whatever they come up with will see a backlash, Blade Runner is just worshiped to much for sequel to ever be appreciated.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 18, 2016, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 18, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
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eww, looks like they are going to try and "modernize" this like they did with Prometheus with all those holographic billboards and shit.
It's all just so Generic-Futuristic-City(TM) looking, it may as well be concept art for the next Mass Effect or Deus Ex game. It certainly ain't Blade Runner.
Blade Runner created that look...
Last time I looked Mass Effect, Deus Ex etc, didn't have heavy Art Deco and strong 1920's architectural influences. They are all derivative of Blade Runner to a degree but set in a completely different kind of futuristic world. Don't let the night, rain and neon fool you.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/768631486727741440
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:04:49 PM
"Straight to VHS and DVD. No Blu-Ray release planned."
What?
Hahaha, really? :D
QuoteI agreed to do it because the producers behind "Blade Runner" [Broderick Johnson, Andrew A. Kosove] are two friends. I made "Prisoners" with them, and I knew the environment they would create around me would be very secure. I don't really have final cut on it. The thing I realized about final cut, is it's the power of the best cut. I didn't have final cut on "Prisoners," but what you saw is the best cut. "Sicario" is a directors' cut, "Arrival" is a directors' cut. I cannot talk about it, I will see. My relationship with the people I am working with is very strong. At the end of the day what will win is the best movie.
http://collider.com/denis-villeneuve-dune-blade-runner-2/
Why didn't they just hire Philip K. Dick to write a treatment for this script. It was a wasted opportunity if you ask me. Kinda like how Ridley Scott didn't use H.R. Giger for any of his designs in Alien: Covenant.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2016, 04:15:54 AM
Why didn't they just hire Philip K. Dick to write a treatment for this script. It was a wasted opportunity if you ask me. Kinda like how Ridley Scott didn't use H.R. Giger for any of his designs in Alien: Covenant.
Apparently Philip K. Dick was a little bit indisposed.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2016, 04:15:54 AM
Why didn't they just hire Philip K. Dick to write a treatment for this script. It was a wasted opportunity if you ask me. Kinda like how Ridley Scott didn't use H.R. Giger for any of his designs in Alien: Covenant.
They're both dead...
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2016, 04:15:54 AM
Why didn't they just hire Philip K. Dick to write a treatment for this script. It was a wasted opportunity if you ask me. Kinda like how Ridley Scott didn't use H.R. Giger for any of his designs in Alien: Covenant.
Please tell me that you're joking. PKD died right before the original Blade Runner hit theaters in 1982.
And in case you're being serious- it's not like Ridley actually did much to follow PKD's source material himself when he made Blade Runner. The Replicants weren't sympathetic at all in the book, Deckard was very clearly a human and so on and so forth. Both the film and the novel are classics in the sci-fi genre, but their themes and content are pretty different from one another.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 02, 2016, 12:09:06 AM
Quote from: frenchfries on Jun 30, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
So is this movie a sequel or prequel.
Don't know, but it's a mistake...
If there's anyone out there that can make this actually result in a good film, it's Denis Villeneuve. The best thing that BR2 has going for it is that Ridley isn't directing this himself and that he happened to pick one of the best directors in Hollywood on the rise right now.
Official title is....
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http://comicbook.com/2016/10/06/blade-runner-2-officially-title-released/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/10/06/blade-runner-2-officially-title-released/)
New Official twitter account for Brade Runnah 2049
https://twitter.com/bladerunner (https://twitter.com/bladerunner)
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^Note Whisky glass and blaster on table.
Quote from: Himmelblau on Oct 06, 2016, 04:33:14 PM
Official title is....
http://forum.blu-ray.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151883&d=1475771132
http://comicbook.com/2016/10/06/blade-runner-2-officially-title-released/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/10/06/blade-runner-2-officially-title-released/)
I suppose that's not too bad. But it kinda reminds of that trend when people did comics or TV shows set in the future and tacted on "2055" or "2090" on it or something.
Don't like the title, and Scott isn't directing???
Oh boy -_-
Quote from: Kaltes on Oct 07, 2016, 05:24:52 AM
I suppose that's not too bad. But it kinda reminds of that trend when people did comics or TV shows set in the future and tacted on "2055" or "2090" on it or something.
I think it's also a kind of a cyberpunk genre thing. Speaking of which, there's also a game called
Cyberpunk 2077 currently in development by CD Projekt RED that will probably cause confusion as well.
Someone who speaks French can translate this? please ;D
QuoteClap de fin pour Blade Runner 2049 qui sortira l'an prochain ! Denis Villeneuve, actuellement à Paris pour présenter Premier Contact, son premier film de science-fiction, a accepté de confier à AlloCiné quelques propos au sujet de son prochain film attendu par certains fans depuis trente-cinq ans.
Il le promet : Blade Runner 2049 ne brisera pas le point d'interrogation laissé par le premier Blade Runner au sujet de la vraie nature de Rick Deckard, dont on ne saura toujours pas s'il s'agit d'un répliquant ou d'un humain. Et ce, malgré la présence d'Harrison Ford, 74 ans, à l'affiche !
Pour découvrir comment Denis Villeneuve et son scénariste Hampton Fancher s'y sont pris pour laisser le mystère complet, il faudra attendre la sortie de Blade Runner 2049 le 4 octobre 2017
Blade Runner 2049 : Fin de tournage pour Denis Villeneuve, "épuisé, heureux..." [EXCLU] (http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18658121.html)
Quote"I can say that we shot for many months before Harrison [Ford] arrived, and obviously there was a lot of anticipation as to when he would show up and how that would be, and it was just a relief. The second he got to set, he just rolled up his sleeves and we all just got to work. It was a real great pleasure to get to work with him."
Ryan Gosling Says 'Blade Runner 2049' Filmed for Months Without Harrison Ford (http://www.fandango.com/movie-news/ryan-gosling-says-blade-runner-2049-filmed-for-months-without-harrison-ford-751673)
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 10, 2016, 06:52:31 PM
Quote"I can say that we shot for many months before Harrison [Ford] arrived, and obviously there was a lot of anticipation as to when he would show up and how that would be, and it was just a relief. The second he got to set, he just rolled up his sleeves and we all just got to work. It was a real great pleasure to get to work with him."
Ryan Gosling Says 'Blade Runner 2049' Filmed for Months Without Harrison Ford (http://www.fandango.com/movie-news/ryan-gosling-says-blade-runner-2049-filmed-for-months-without-harrison-ford-751673)
For some reason I thought they were filming in Feb 2017. Looking forward to this.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 08, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
Someone who speaks French can translate this? please ;D
QuoteClap de fin pour Blade Runner 2049 qui sortira l'an prochain ! Denis Villeneuve, actuellement à Paris pour présenter Premier Contact, son premier film de science-fiction, a accepté de confier à AlloCiné quelques propos au sujet de son prochain film attendu par certains fans depuis trente-cinq ans.
Il le promet : Blade Runner 2049 ne brisera pas le point d'interrogation laissé par le premier Blade Runner au sujet de la vraie nature de Rick Deckard, dont on ne saura toujours pas s'il s'agit d'un répliquant ou d'un humain. Et ce, malgré la présence d'Harrison Ford, 74 ans, à l'affiche !
Pour découvrir comment Denis Villeneuve et son scénariste Hampton Fancher s'y sont pris pour laisser le mystère complet, il faudra attendre la sortie de Blade Runner 2049 le 4 octobre 2017
Blade Runner 2049 : Fin de tournage pour Denis Villeneuve, "épuisé, heureux..." [EXCLU] (http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18658121.html)
End slate for Blade Runner 2049 which will be release next year ! Denis Villeneuve, now in Paris to present Arrival, his first SF feature film, has accepted to make confidence to Allociné about a few topics concerning his next picture awaited by the fans since 35 years.
He promises: Blade Runner 2049 will not break the central question left concerning the true nature of Rick Deckard in the first blade runner, so we won't know if he's a replicant or a human. And this despite the presence of Harrison Ford, 74 years, on screen !
To discover how Dennis Villeneuve and his screenwriter managed to keep the mystery intact, we'll have to wait the release of Blade Runner 2049 the 4th October of 2017.
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I hope my translation ain't too unclear.
https://trailer-track.com/2016/12/14/in-the-pipeline-first-blade-runner-2049-teaser-trailer-rated-and-coming-soon/
Loving some of that desolate imagery.
Jesus Christ, I know it's just a minute long but with those visuals and that perfect soundtrack to the trailer I'm unbelievably excited. Like literally unbelievable because I know I shouldn't want this sequel.
Quotethat perfect soundtrack to the trailer
Eh, it's a rather horrible remix of Vangelis' original score.
Not really impressed with what little I've seen so far. We'll have to wait and see how this shapes up. But I suspect Villeneuve was spot-on when he said this wasn't going to live-up to the original.
Lazy Ford always only wearing a bland grey t-shirt nowadays, even in movies..
Ford better have a major role....
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 19, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
Ford better have a major role....
Ryan Gosling Says 'Blade Runner 2049' Filmed for Months Without Harrison Ford.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 19, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 19, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
Ford better have a major role....
Ryan Gosling Says 'Blade Runner 2049' Filmed for Months Without Harrison Ford.
As always.... He didn't have a big role in Star Wars and now this..... hopefully he doesn't die in Blade Runner too...
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Well at least now that Deckard has aged, it will put to rest the theories he was a Replicant. :laugh:
He was one of the leads in Star Wars.
And I would rather have had this movie without Ford, I think.
I like what I've seen from the trailer. Excited for this one.
So if Deckard is old in this...then he wasn't a replicant? Even though there were countless hints and confirmation from Scott that he infact was a replicant?
The trailer was AWESOME. They keep the Moebius aesthetics and that last vibe that reminded me the Vangelis score.
:o
Still, WHERE IS THE ALIEN COVENANT TRAILER FOX GODDAMNIT!
>:(
Quote from: Predatorium on Dec 19, 2016, 06:23:24 PM
So if Deckard is old in this...then he wasn't a replicant? Even though there were countless hints and confirmation from Scott that he infact was a replicant?
This movie isn't going to take a stance either way.
If he is a Replicant, then he obviously doesn't have the life expectancy limit put into the Nexus 6 units.
I bet it will present new arguments for and against the replicant/human Deckard mystery. I hope so anyway. Imo it would be a mistake to confirm either theory.
Now that's a teaser. 8)
Great surprise! That desolate landscape was something I wouldn't expect from BR. And yes, it is indeed one hell of a teaser :) (the way, for instance, Gosling tells Ford it was easier in his time...a nice, simple way of announcing change in the universe).
I just find it strange that they're already showing us this sort of footage so early - it's almost a year before its release. Unusual, isn't it? ???
Ya. For sure. I'm really surprised I've actually seen the first trailer for 'Blade Runner 20149' before the one for 'ALIEN: Covenant'.
Looks great, though. It appears to echo the environment as depicted in Dick's book more closely than the '82 movie did.
-Windebieste.
And yes. It was perfect.
-Windebieste.
Waitaminnit.... at the end of the first movie, didn't Deckard drive off to some nice, snowy mountains?
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I'll show myself out... :D
I suppose he could be the maker of Deckard....or Deckard just found a way to reverse the process because he wasn't a Nexus 6.
Either way, pumped for this. Don't think I've posted on this site in 4 years...
Anyone else get a darker side to Decker here? It would be cool to see him pull a Roy Batty in this.
Nexus 7
In all honesty, I never wanted a Blade Runner sequel, it had me worried. But after seeing this trailer, I'm a little more optimistic. It looks gorgeous
From memory I recall the book having an often dry, dusty and deserted environment, unlike the incessant rain and darkness and lots of people in the film.
The desert in the teaser reminded me of the dusty setting of the book.
Yeah, the book is set in a bleached desert. First tight seeing the trailer too.
I don't think there's even a scene in the light in the original, apart from maybe the interview with Leon.
Also when Deckard goes to the Tyrell building to VK Rachel.
And that last jarring shot of the dove before they corrected it.
Beksinski's vibe!
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Gorgeous teaser, that desert; beautiful, reminds me of Beksinski. I'm confident in Villeneuve.
They even got similar outfits ;D
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Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 07:15:40 AM
From memory I recall the book having an often dry, dusty and deserted environment, unlike the incessant rain and darkness and lots of people in the film.
The desert in the teaser reminded me of the dusty setting of the book.
Same thoughts here. I remember reading the descriptions of large empty streets and motes of dust in the air. The trailer and Decker's abode reminded me of that.
Ridley said in an old interview that LA probably gets all the rain in this universe, and New York all the sunshine. Maybe we'll see other areas of the US and how they are affected.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 20, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 07:15:40 AM
From memory I recall the book having an often dry, dusty and deserted environment, unlike the incessant rain and darkness and lots of people in the film.
The desert in the teaser reminded me of the dusty setting of the book.
Same thoughts here. I remember reading the descriptions of large empty streets and motes of dust in the air. The trailer and Decker's abode reminded me of that.
Ridley said in an old interview that LA probably gets all the rain in this universe, and New York all the sunshine. Maybe we'll see other areas of the US and how they are affected.
They actually shot a lot of desert footage for Blade Runner in Moab Utah. It was for the tacked-on happy ending - they were supposed to drive off into the desert sunset. But unfortunately the weather was very inclement at the time and the footage was basically unusable. As a last resort Ridley phoned Stanley Kubrick and asked if he could use some of The Shining's outtakes. Which is why we ended up with snowy mountain scenery in the cinematic release.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Potash_mine_Moab_NASA.jpg)
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2016, 12:53:26 PM
Gorgeous teaser, that desert; beautiful, reminds me of Beksinski. I'm confident in Villeneuve.
Villeneuve is probably the best thing this movie has going for it.
Dat music though 8)
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 08:39:44 AM
Also when Deckard goes to the Tyrell building to VK Rachel.
And that last jarring shot of the dove before they corrected it.
Ah yes. " The blinds".
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When's that out?
Nevermind, I see. :laugh: Friday
http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/20/blade-runner-2049-ew-cover/
QuoteIt's been 34 years since Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, set in 2019 dystopian Los Angeles and centered around Rick Deckard (Harrison Ford), a "blade runner" tasked with hunting and "retiring" (i.e. killing) rogue replicants (human-seeming androids), was released and changed the sci-fi genre as we knew it. On Oct. 6, 2017, fans will get to see its sequel, Blade Runner 2049, directed by Denis Villeneuve (Arrival) and starring Ryan Gosling as a new blade runner, LAPD Officer K, who unearths a secret 30 years after the events of the first film that has the potential to plunge what's left of society into chaos — which leads him on a quest to find Deckard, who might have some answers.
There are movie stars and then there's, well, Harrison Ford. "They say never meet your heroes," Gosling tells EW. "But the addendum to that is: unless they're Harrison Ford." Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't nervous about meeting Ford for the first time. "Harrison didn't start working until a month into production, so we had a lot of time to just imagine how that might be, and waiting for that moment to come, and hoping that we were making something that would be satisfying to him," Gosling says.
he day Ford finally arrived, the set happened to be engulfed in an atmospheric mist, and the curious cast and crew spent the day waiting for him to appear, almost literally out of thin air. "And then it was just unmistakably him — even in silhouette, you couldn't miss it — and it was just such a relief," he says. "He immediately put everyone at ease and went right to work."
Later in production, to keep warm between takes, Gosling found himself shooting the breeze with Ford in an unexpected locale. "Talking to Harrison fully clothed in a hot tub is an experience I never thought I'd have," Gosling says, laughing. "If you had told me a few years ago, I wouldn't have believed it."
For more on Alcon Entertainment's Blade Runner 2049, including exclusive photographs and interviews with the filmmakers and cast, pick up Entertainment Weekly's First Look Issue, on stands Friday, and subscribe for more exclusive interviews and photos, only in EW.
Some new photos!
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/797237-the-future-looks-bleak-in-new-blade-runner-2049-photos#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/797237-the-future-looks-bleak-in-new-blade-runner-2049-photos#/slide/1)
Officer K is a touch right out of Kafka. Like it.
Of course they just had to go and replace all the classic Syd Mead vehicle designs with new inferior vehicle designs. Just because. ::)
f**k, I even saw a flat screen monitor in there! >:(
First three screens look really cheap and cheesy. But i have faith in Villeneuve and Deakins, surely the movie will not look like that.
Quote from: reecebomb on Dec 21, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
First three screens look really cheap and cheesy. But i have faith in Villeneuve and Deakins, surely the movie will not look like that.
Yes, I assume all but #7 are publicity poses; they always look hokey. Prometheus's were pretty underwhelming, too.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 21, 2016, 04:34:57 PM
Officer K is a touch right out of Kafka. Like it.
Yes, and possibly also a nod to Philip K. Dick. Love that detail.
I'm extremely excited for this, honestly. "Blade Runner" never begged for a sequel, but as long as they manage to make it thematically relevant, really good and bring enough new material that fits the universe and themes, I think its existence is justified. And the team behind couldn't be better.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 05:44:18 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 20, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 07:15:40 AM
From memory I recall the book having an often dry, dusty and deserted environment, unlike the incessant rain and darkness and lots of people in the film.
The desert in the teaser reminded me of the dusty setting of the book.
Same thoughts here. I remember reading the descriptions of large empty streets and motes of dust in the air. The trailer and Decker's abode reminded me of that.
Ridley said in an old interview that LA probably gets all the rain in this universe, and New York all the sunshine. Maybe we'll see other areas of the US and how they are affected.
They actually shot a lot of desert footage for Blade Runner in Moab Utah. It was for the tacked-on happy ending - they were supposed to drive off into the desert sunset. But unfortunately the weather was very inclement at the time and the footage was basically unusable. As a last resort Ridley phoned Stanley Kubrick and asked if he could use some of The Shining's outtakes. Which is why we ended up with snowy mountain scenery in the cinematic release.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Potash_mine_Moab_NASA.jpg)
Not too far from me. Been meaning to take a road trip to Moab. Pretty popular desert getaway destination in my state.
Quote from: reecebomb on Dec 21, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
First three screens look really cheap and cheesy. But i have faith in Villeneuve and Deakins, surely the movie will not look like that.
Because they're from Entertianment Weekly, who always have the absolute worst looking stills.
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Denis says:
QuoteI'm having the time of my life on this, but it's insane for sure,(...) Because it is so insane, it gives you freedom. A lot of people on this [film] are children of Blade Runner, raised with the imagination and energy of the original, and have been inspired by those images all our lives.
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http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/blade-runner-2049-exclusive-new-look-ryan-gosling/
Need to see more footage to be sold on this flick
New rumour suggests that
Spoiler
We can now reveal that a source close to the production of Blade Runner 2049 has informed us that the power of CGI will bring a Replicant character from the cult 1982 film back for the theatrical Blade Runner sequel.
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-original-replicant-to-return-in-blade-runner-2049-as-cgi/
Is there any real point to Deckard being a replicant?
Makes his journey ironic.
He's a slave killer that finds that he's a slave himself.
I never understood something though, if he is a replicant why doesnt he seem to share their strength?
More so, if he is a Replicant, why does he have feelings for Rachel? ...why is he burnt out by his previous job? ...why does Baty not treat him as kin?
So many questions...
-Windebieste.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
I never understood something though, if he is a replicant why doesnt he seem to share their strength?
'Cos Tyrell didn't build him like that, perhaps? Rachel didn't use her super replicant strength to fight Deckard off.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
I never understood something though, if he is a replicant why doesnt he seem to share their strength?
If he shared their strength then he would have realised that he was replicant himself.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 05, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
I never understood something though, if he is a replicant why doesnt he seem to share their strength?
If he shared their strength then he would have realised that he was replicant himself.
"More human than human" after all.
I guess it would be important to maintain the deception.
But if Decker has no extra abilities and has a normal life span, then wouldn't he be technically human? Albeit one grown or constructed artificially.
And really why go through all the pain and expense of using replicants as blade runners if there isn't really any benefit over a human detective.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2017, 03:08:37 PM
I guess it would be important to maintain the deception.
But if Decker has no extra abilities and has a normal life span, then wouldn't he be technically human? Albeit one grown or constructed artificially.
And really why go through all the pain and expense of using replicants as blade runners if there isn't really any benefit over a human detective.
Replicants that don't know they are replicants don't rebel, and if they do, they can't overpower you. Remember, replicants were banned on Earth after they already revolted in the past. Batty wasn't the first. That, plus Tyrell's obvious disregard for his replicants' wellbeing (Rachel's existence was a cruel experiment) I can see him really enjoying deploying Deckard. It fits his ego.
I actually imagined that Deckard was the replicant who got "fried" offscreen. That's why Batty knew his name at the end even though they never meet. Or maybe he's another Rachel-type experiment. So much of the film is ambiguous. A great flaw on one hand, and the source of so much speculation and fun on the other.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 06, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
I actually imagined that Deckard was the replicant who got "fried" offscreen.
That was actually "Mary" the "6th" (or rather 5th) replicant. Stacey Nelkin was cast for the part but they had to kill-off her character offscreen at the last moment due to budgetary reasons. Her scripted death was actually supposed to occur much later in the film, she basically dies abed when her life runs out.
QuoteThat's why Batty knew his name at the end even though they never meet.
In one of Fancher's earlier drafts, the replicants tap into the police computer (Esper) and find out that Deckard is assigned to track them down. That's also how Batty knows that Zora and Leon has been "retired" without having witnessed their deaths.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
New rumour suggests that
Spoiler
We can now reveal that a source close to the production of Blade Runner 2049 has informed us that the power of CGI will bring a Replicant character from the cult 1982 film back for the theatrical Blade Runner sequel.
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-original-replicant-to-return-in-blade-runner-2049-as-cgi/
She wants to be forever
Young.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 06, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 06, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
I actually imagined that Deckard was the replicant who got "fried" offscreen.
That was actually "Mary" the "6th" (or rather 5th) replicant. Stacey Nelkin was cast for the part but they had to kill-off her character offscreen at the last moment due to budgetary reasons. Her scripted death was actually supposed to occur much later in the film, she basically dies abed when her life runs out.
Oh, I know, it's just a kind of thought experiment with the film more than anything. I would've loved to see Mary's scenes as an intro to the replicants. As it is, Ridley just repurposed two shots of Batty from the end of the film to introduce us to him (just as he switched footage from Brett's death into Lambert's).
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2017, 03:08:37 PM
I guess it would be important to maintain the deception.
But if Decker has no extra abilities and has a normal life span, then wouldn't he be technically human?
The idea of BR is that there is no real difference between humans and replicants. What does it mean to be human? Answer:
I think, therefore I am (cogito ero sum).
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 06, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 06, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
I actually imagined that Deckard was the replicant who got "fried" offscreen.
That was actually "Mary" the "6th" (or rather 5th) replicant. Stacey Nelkin was cast for the part but they had to kill-off her character offscreen at the last moment due to budgetary reasons. Her scripted death was actually supposed to occur much later in the film, she basically dies abed when her life runs out.
Heh, Nelkin ended up playing a robot in Halloween III.
Lennie James about BR2049:
QuoteI've never been on anything more secret than The Walking Dead until I was on Blade Runner.
They offered me the job—it came out of the blue—and I said, 'I need to read the script.' They sent me 20 pages before my character arrived and 20 pages after my character was gone. It was on an app thing that I could only open on one device—I couldn't take a screenshot, I couldn't take a photograph, I couldn't save it. They said, 'You've got 36 hours.' I had 36 hours with it and then it was gone. Then I had to make a decision to do it. When I did [decide to do it], they sent me the whole script.
This has never happened to me before... our [script] sides on the day, you had to sign them out, and they'd give you your sides with your words for that day, and then you had to sign them back in. And they wouldn't let you get in your car to go home until you'd given your sides back. It was frantic. When I finished on the gig, I thought I'd sit down with the script and take it all in. No. Nine hours after wrap that script vanished from my iPad.
Working with Villeneuve, who has directed a string of awards favorites including Arrival, Sicario and Prisoners, was "a gift," James says. "I say this every time so hopefully he hears it: I will crawl over broken glass on bended knees to work with that man again. He's a proper actor's director, a proper storyteller and a real visionary. The way that the character I play had originally been written...he said, 'I think we should do something different.' And this is a huge movie, and I've got two-and-a-half to three weeks of filming in this thing. He said, 'Stop, we're going to go and work this out and do it differently.' It was so exciting.
http://europe.newsweek.com/lennie-james-blade-runner-2049-was-more-secretive-walking-dead-544521?rm=eu
Thanks for that, Ingwar. Very encouraging!
Initially
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 21, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Lennie James about BR2049:
QuoteI've never been on anything more secret than The Walking Dead until I was on Blade Runner.
They offered me the job—it came out of the blue—and I said, 'I need to read the script.' They sent me 20 pages before my character arrived and 20 pages after my character was gone. It was on an app thing that I could only open on one device—I couldn't take a screenshot, I couldn't take a photograph, I couldn't save it. They said, 'You've got 36 hours.' I had 36 hours with it and then it was gone. Then I had to make a decision to do it. When I did [decide to do it], they sent me the whole script.
This has never happened to me before... our [script] sides on the day, you had to sign them out, and they'd give you your sides with your words for that day, and then you had to sign them back in. And they wouldn't let you get in your car to go home until you'd given your sides back. It was frantic. When I finished on the gig, I thought I'd sit down with the script and take it all in. No. Nine hours after wrap that script vanished from my iPad.
Working with Villeneuve, who has directed a string of awards favorites including Arrival, Sicario and Prisoners, was "a gift," James says. "I say this every time so hopefully he hears it: I will crawl over broken glass on bended knees to work with that man again. He's a proper actor's director, a proper storyteller and a real visionary. The way that the character I play had originally been written...he said, 'I think we should do something different.' And this is a huge movie, and I've got two-and-a-half to three weeks of filming in this thing. He said, 'Stop, we're going to go and work this out and do it differently.' It was so exciting.
http://europe.newsweek.com/lennie-james-blade-runner-2049-was-more-secretive-walking-dead-544521?rm=eu
Glad to hear that they've picked another great actor. In light of my past fears I am starting to have hope that this movie might just turn out to be great after all.
Denis Villeneuve:
QuoteI'm very old school. I wish I had the chance to do my 'Aliens' as animatronics. That was my dream at the beginning [of 'Arrival']. We were dreaming to put them in a gigantic aquarium with gigantic beasts that would be moved by puppeteers. But sadly, it would have been too expensive. I hate green screens. It sucks out all my energy. I get depressed. I have an admiration for directors who can work with that on a daily basis. For 'Blade Runner,' we tried our best to do as much as possible in-camera, building everything.
Roger was insanely impressive in how he was able to create landscape with tricks. For me it was beautiful. I think I can count on one hand how many times I saw a green screen in all of those months of shooting. There will be CG enhancements, of course, but as much as possible it was in-camera. Having witnessed what he's done for months, I think it will be Roger Deakins' best work. He was deeply inspired by the project.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/blade-runner-2049-denis-villeneuve-dune-details-1201984308/
Scott is in touch with Vangelis who may be involved loosely in Blade Runner 2049. Scott hopes he will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4dNKdaVLLY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4dNKdaVLLY)
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Scott is in touch with Vangelis who may be involved loosely in Blade Runner 2049. Scott hopes he will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4dNKdaVLLY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4dNKdaVLLY)
Vangelis wrote so much music for the first film they could re-use tracks that were never featured in the film. There's a three disc album full of B.R. music that I don't think was ever in the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uugxw38ynwA&index=5&list=WL
I think there's two disks of stuff from the film and another disk of 'music inspired by'.
Quote from: SM on Mar 13, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
I think there's two disks of stuff from the film and another disk of 'music inspired by'.
Yes. It's
Blade Runner Trilogy, 25th Anniversary soundtrack. Disc 3 contains new material created by Vangelis and inspired by
Blade Runner.
Yeah, disc 3 had nothing to do with Blade Runner officially. Some good stuff and some not-so-good stuff on there.
However, Valaquen is still correct in that a lot of music that Vangelis wrote for Blade Runner never appeared in the film.
Here is one very good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dvb2FgBEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dvb2FgBEM)
No disrespect to Vangelis, but the stuff on disc 3 of the 25th anniversary set makes me kind of relieved he's not doing the film. Like Giger & Prometheus, he's in a different place now.
Hearing the music in Arrival has me quite excited about Johan Johanssen doing Blade Runner.
How much you want to bet Ridley is going to rip off Armitage the III and it be about if replicants can have children.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dc/9c/00/dc9c00de838914512321636c95a9bbde.jpg)
Yes, he's back for BR 2049.
Spoiler
Gaff is back.
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/841669023775502336 (https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/841669023775502336)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 14, 2017, 04:50:23 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dc/9c/00/dc9c00de838914512321636c95a9bbde.jpg)
Yes, he's back for BR 2049.
Spoiler
Gaff is back.
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/841669023775502336 (https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/841669023775502336)
Wonderful news! Goldmine of a character. I was so choked when he was already dead on page one of Edge of Human.
I hope we get a whole line up of new origami figures.
Cannot believe it! :)
QuoteI signed a seven page non-disclosure contract. I did, my manager did, my agent did, everybody did. I couldn't talk about it. I couldn't talk about it to anybody about it. Guess what? This is the first time that I'm telling the whole world, that yes, I am going to be Gaff in Blade Runner 2049.
Spoiler
QuoteWell, it's not about Gaff, but it's about someone who is going to try to find out certain things about us back then. My role is like it was in the original – that time I only had four scenes, in this I only have one. But again, it's a poignant little scene.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/another-classic-character-will-return-for-blade-runner-1793235657
Gaff is a legend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2fVUCgnW_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2fVUCgnW_o)
Gaff: Monsieur, azonnal kˆvessen engem bitte. [French-Hungarian-German: "Sir, follow me immediately please!" (Thanks to eMU for translating the Hungarian part:- "azonnal" – means immediately; "kˆvessen" – means follow imperative; "engem" – means me. And of course "Monsieur" is French for Sir and "bitte" is German for please.)]
Sushi Master: He say you under arrest, Mr. Deckard.Deckard: You got the wrong guy, pal.Gaff: LÛfaszt, nehogy m·r. Te vagy a Blade ... Blade Runner. [Hungarian: "
Horsedick, no way! You are the Blade ... Blade Runner." (Thanks to Adam H. and eMU for confirming this Hungarian.)]
Sushi Master: He say you 'Brade Runner'.Deckard: Tell him I'm eating.Gaff: Captain Bryant toka. Me ni omae yo. [Japanese: "Captain Bryant wants to see your mug in front of his immediately!" (This is a loose translation. "Me ni omae yo" is a sort of pun. "Me ni mae" means to meet someone. "omae" is the very informal use of "you" – in Japanese, this is significant. "yo" – Exclamation – Japanese doesn't use the '!' punctuation. Thanks to Michael J. Simon for sorting out this line. I think "toka" in this sense marks information from someone else. – Netrunner)]
More here: http://www.mybladerunner.com/faqs/4-7-3-translation-of-the-noodle-bar-scene-dialogue-with-comments/
QuoteBlade Runner past & future meet. Blade Runner visionary #SydMead with #BladeRunner2049 director #DenisVilleneuve.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7nUFIWVAAEVZmK.jpg)
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/844972027110862848 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/844972027110862848)
Sony debuts new footage of
Blade Runner 2049 at CinemaCon.
https://twitter.com/bcbishop/status/846558684654166016 (https://twitter.com/bcbishop/status/846558684654166016)
QuoteOf course, all of this was a prelude to the footage itself. It started with some brief clips of the original, with an abbreviated version of the final monologue from Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) laid in as voice-over. Then new footage kicked in, revealing Gosling's character walking through a vast, almost pyramid-like building that called to mind the design of the original Tyrell Corporation.
The footage included a glimpse at Jared Leto's character Spoiler
— seemingly a creator along the lines of Tyrell — watching as a new replicant slipped from some sort of plastic sack and fell to the ground before him. "Every civilization was built off the back of a disposable workforce," Leto's character said in voice-over while caressing the creature. "We build angels here. But I can only make so many."
Robin Wright also appeared in the footage, playing a Spoiler
police commander that seemed to reprimand Gosling's character at multiple points — "There is an order to things," she said in sequence. "That's what we do here." By the end of the scene, Gosling's character came face-to-face with Harrison Ford's Rick Deckard.
More here: http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/28/15087834/blade-runner-2049-preview-ryan-gosling-cinemacon
Another report:
QuoteSony Motion Picture Group chairman Tom Rothman has one message for those who think fans won't be rushing to the theaters to see "Blade Runner 2049": "Netflix, my ass."
The studio chief dropped the zinger while debuting new footage of the "Blade Runner" sequel to exhibition industry professionals at CinemaCon, with star Ryan Gosling on hand. The extended preview that the actor brought with him to Las Vegas stunned the crowd, featuring an apocalyptic Spoiler
Los Angeles and Las Vegas
Rothman, for his part, called the film "cool as s—," and Gosling told the crowd of theater owners that the team behind Denis Villeneuve's "Blade Runner 2049" tried to keep CGI to a minimum.
"Every location was real," said Gosling. "Every set was there...It was a fully functioning, living, breathing world."
The new footage showed more of Harrison Ford's Rick Deckard and Gosling's Officer K, as well as Spoiler
a creepy look at Jared Leto, playing a manufacturer of replicants with a daddy complex. In one shot, Leto lovingly caresses a naked android, who appears to have been doused in amniotic fluid.
The footage, which also included shots of a bloodied, haunted-looking Gosling and de Armas as Spoiler
a skittish replicant who appears to have captured his heart, received loud applause.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/blade-runner-2049-footage-trailer-cinemacon-ryan-gosling-1202017547/
And another one:
QuotePlaylist reports that Sony Chairman Tom Rothman brought onto stage none other than Ryan Gosling, to debut brand new footage from this year's highly-anticipated sci-fi sequel, Blade Runner 2049.
Surprising, especially, considering the film's US and Canadian distributor is actually Warner Bros., with Sony Pictures acting as a distributor overseas. However, with Sony having financed half its production, it seems clear the studio is wanting to edge in on the ownership of what could, potentially, be one of the year's major hits.
"It was so surreal to be walking around the universe of Blade Runner," Gosling told the crowd. "The craftsmanship of this film is really on another level. Every location was real. Every set was there. Every prop was functional. It was a fully functioning, living, breathing world. And it made it so easy for us in the end because we could just focus on the internal world of these characters because the external world was so realised and full of detail."
Rothman revealed that part of the film takes place in Spoiler
Las Vegas, before debuting brand new footage.
The footage opened on Spoiler
Gosling's Officer K in what appears to be a replicant creation facility run by Jared Leto's character, though the room doesn't look particularly 'sci-fi'; instead boasting wood-panelled walls and stone staircases. Leto notes of the location, "We make angels". The scene intercuts with Officer K in an office arguing with Robin Wright's character, though their relationship is unclear.
The footage also revealed Spoiler
replicant Joi (Ana de Armas), who Office K watches be given birth, though that doesn't appear to hinder the pair having some extreme sexual tension. Also shown were plenty of major action set pieces, with explosions galore and even a shot of Harrison Ford running for his dear life.
Rothman ended the segment by announcing that more would be revealed at the Warner Bros. panel, which suggests at least some of this footage will eventually make its way online.
Directed by Denis Villeneuve, Gosling's new blade runner, Spoiler
LAPD Officer K, unearths a long-buried secret which could potentially plunge an already fractured society into total chaos. The discovery puts him on a journey to seek out Rick Deckard (Ford), the LAPD blade runner who's now been missing for the past 30 years.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2049-cinemacon-new-footage-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-denis-villeneuve-a7653311.html
https://twitter.com/Real_CasinoUS/status/846754014314270724 (https://twitter.com/Real_CasinoUS/status/846754014314270724)
QuoteThese replicants are not 3D-printed. They are born, and their birth sequence is Spoiler
— gulp — gnarly.
So we learned Monday night at Cinemacon, where Sony Pictures sneaked a few minutes of Blade Runner 2049, Ridley Scott's revisitation of the sci-fi cult classic from 1982. And it looks dark. So dark that its nightmarscape of synthesized humans makes Westworld look like a walk in the park.
You want cyberpunk stuff? It's here in holograms, dirty streets and brutalist buildings all around. You want Jared Leto Spoiler
creepily whispering "Happy birthday" to a newly born, goo-covered replicant girl? It's here too, and it's post-Joker ghoulish.
And you want Deckard's gun dotted with red lights? It's also here Spoiler
— and it's in Gosling's hand.
The sizzle reel (or is it a trailer? It's not yet clear) sneaked before a convention of cinema owners was an intermix of old, original footage with new, including the interior of a giant, concert hall-like museum of wood and steel where Officer K finally sees where Spoiler
the sausage, errrr, the replicants, are made.
Most of the interplay between Ford and Gosling was stuff we saw in the first teaser — "I had your job once. I was good at it," Ford growls — though now we see the building where they meet Spoiler
coming under attack, and an escape ensues. Looks like these two will be on the run together.
Finally, we get first looks at Robin Wright as the Spoiler
unnamed Stern Female Authority Figure required in all dystopian cinema ("There is an order to things," she says, "That's what we do here: we keep order") and Mackenzie Davis, ostensibly as a painted is-she-or-isn't-she-a-replicant character of some kind.
In the final shot, we see Officer K staring down at a Spoiler
book with a whole bunch of pages ripped out of the middle. "Your story isn't over yet," a female voice tells him.
http://mashable.com/2017/03/28/blade-runner-trailer-cinemacon-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-movies/?utm_cid=hp-r-1#LuDMWV856qqL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv2Sc7Bs71Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv2Sc7Bs71Y)
I can not wait for this!
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Mar 28, 2017, 08:07:10 PM
I can not wait for this!
Yeah, tell me about it :)
Sony CinemaCon 2017 presentation video reaction.
Blade Runner 2049 Starts at 5:28.
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/846572974995996672 (https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/846572974995996672)
I was completely ambivalent about this sequel until I saw Arrival.
Now after watching that and reading this, I'm dying for it!
Seriously can't wait. I've got a feeling that it's going to be a euphoric and overwhelming experience.
Was the trailer meant to drop today?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 29, 2017, 12:37:32 AM
Seriously can't wait. I've got a feeling that it's going to be a euphoric and overwhelming experience.
I really doubt is going to better than the original.
Sir Ridley Scott was the greatest director worldwide in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
I didn't imply that it would, I think even Villeneuve knows that the original can't be surpassed, but being back in that world again and the level of detail and care that they'll no doubt honor is going to be quite something.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcms0T6KzRo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcms0T6KzRo)
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XUiazCH1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XUiazCH1s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_wPiPpwIwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_wPiPpwIwo)
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
I didn't imply that it would, I think even Villeneuve knows that the original can't be surpassed, but being back in that world again and the level of detail and care that they'll no doubt honor is going to be quite something.
As strange as it feels for me to say this, I actually
do think Villeneuve could surpass the original with Blade Runner 2049. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that he will, as it would be an incredibly difficult accomplishment to achieve, but I do think Villeneuve is one of the very few filmmakers out there that could pull such an accomplishment off.
Again, it feels very weird for me to even entertain this thought, as I had consistently thought that making a sequel to Blade Runner was a terrible idea ever since Ridley had started talking about it in the Prometheus days. Despite all the troubles that the Alien films have had over the years, I always understood why that film could be made into a franchise. But Blade Runner? Blade Runner was different in that regard and just felt like something that shouldn't be touched at all.
Denis coming onboard changed that view for me. At the very least, I think this film will be a great film in and of itself- even if it doesn't top the first. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. As I said earlier, that sort of goal would be next to impossible- but it is still possible.
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
I didn't imply that it would, I think even Villeneuve knows that the original can't be surpassed, but being back in that world again and the level of detail and care that they'll no doubt honor is going to be quite something.
As strange as it feels for me to say this, I actually do think Villeneuve could surpass the original with Blade Runner 2049. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that he will, as it would be an incredibly difficult accomplishment to achieve, but I do think Villeneuve is one of the very few filmmakers out there that could pull such an accomplishment off.
In one of the Blade Runner documentaries, Guillermo del Toro explains why a film like Blade Runner could never be made today, irrespective of the amount of talent involved. And you know, he's right. Villeneuve is also already on record as saying his film won't live up to the original. And from what I've seen so far, he's right.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 04, 2017, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
I didn't imply that it would, I think even Villeneuve knows that the original can't be surpassed, but being back in that world again and the level of detail and care that they'll no doubt honor is going to be quite something.
As strange as it feels for me to say this, I actually do think Villeneuve could surpass the original with Blade Runner 2049. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that he will, as it would be an incredibly difficult accomplishment to achieve, but I do think Villeneuve is one of the very few filmmakers out there that could pull such an accomplishment off.
In one of the Blade Runner documentaries, Guillermo del Toro explains why a film like Blade Runner could never be made today, irrespective of the amount of talent involved. And you know, he's right. Villeneuve is also already on record as saying his film won't live up to the original. And from what I've seen so far, he's right.
Time will tell. It doesn't have to surpass the original. I only want it to be at least great. It doesn't have to be another masterpiece. And I'm glad that people who make it know that.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 04, 2017, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 30, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
I didn't imply that it would, I think even Villeneuve knows that the original can't be surpassed, but being back in that world again and the level of detail and care that they'll no doubt honor is going to be quite something.
As strange as it feels for me to say this, I actually do think Villeneuve could surpass the original with Blade Runner 2049. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that he will, as it would be an incredibly difficult accomplishment to achieve, but I do think Villeneuve is one of the very few filmmakers out there that could pull such an accomplishment off.
In one of the Blade Runner documentaries, Guillermo del Toro explains why a film like Blade Runner could never be made today, irrespective of the amount of talent involved. And you know, he's right. Villeneuve is also already on record as saying his film won't live up to the original. And from what I've seen so far, he's right.
In the same way that a film like Mad Max: Fury Road- a sequel to a niche franchise with a thirty year long gap between its previous entry and Fury Road, featuring a main titular protagonist with minimal dialogue, and somehow tops the previous best entry in the series (itself a well-regarded classic in 80's cinema)- could never be made today?
Like I said before, I'm not
expecting Villeneuve to top the original- that would be incredibly hard to do. I just happen to think that he
can top Ridley's original film. And even if he personally doesn't think he won't, that doesn't mean he's right. And let's be honest here- folks would be up in arms if he were to even
try to insinuate that he felt like he'd topped the original film.
I think this new film will probably have some notable differences to the original, not unlike how Aliens had tonal and stylistic differences to Alien. Villeneuve, like Cameron before him, is certainly influenced by Ridley, but they're all ultimately very different directors in their own way.
I talked with a friend over the cyberpunk genre dying out and becoming less and less marketable, and I came to the conclusion is that people don't take this form of science fiction seriously anymore. Movies like Tomorrowland, Ghost in the Shell, and the Robocop remake all under performed due to audiences not being all that interested to see them. Cyberpunk is based off an idea from the 80's of what people believed the future would bring around the corner. Nowadays, people seem more about the post apocalyptic future akin to Mad Max, 28 Days Later, Children of Men, Day After Tomorrow because it feels more believable as a foreseeable futuristic outcome.
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
I talked with a friend over the cyberpunk genre dying out and becoming less and less marketable, and I came to the conclusion is that people don't take this form of science fiction seriously anymore. Movies like Tomorrowland, Ghost in the Shell, and the Robocop remake all under performed due to audiences not being all that interested to see them. Cyberpunk is based off an idea from the 80's of what people believed the future would bring around the corner. Nowadays, people seem more about the post apocalyptic future akin to Mad Max, 28 Days Later, Children of Men, Day After Tomorrow because it feels more believable as a foreseeable futuristic outcome.
For me it's all about the quality of the movie itself. Cyberpunk or not, it doesn't matter. If movie is well made then people will appreciate it. You don't have to take science fiction seriously all the time. Movie should be entertaining as well.
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
In the same way that a film like Mad Max: Fury Road- a sequel to a niche franchise with a thirty year long gap between its previous entry and Fury Road, featuring a main titular protagonist with minimal dialogue, and somehow tops the previous best entry in the series (itself a well-regarded classic in 80's cinema)- could never be made today?
The original Mad Max (and sequel) while really great films aren't really comparable to Blade Runner. Blade Runner was essentially a science fiction "art film" made on a blockbuster budget. The Hollywood "system" of today won't allow something like that to happen again.
QuoteLike I said before, I'm not expecting Villeneuve to top the original- that would be incredibly hard to do. I just happen to think that he can top Ridley's original film. And even if he personally doesn't think he won't, that doesn't mean he's right. And let's be honest here- folks would be up in arms if he were to even try to insinuate that he felt like he'd topped the original film.
I think this new film will probably have some notable differences to the original, not unlike how Aliens had tonal and stylistic differences to Alien. Villeneuve, like Cameron before him, is certainly influenced by Ridley, but they're all ultimately very different directors in their own way.
Just by looking at the trailer it's already evident that the production design is not on the same level. Not even close. I've no idea about the story though, that might be a different matter. Would be good if it turns out to be another Aliens though. I don't think Aliens ever topped Alien (in my opinion at least) but it's still a pretty damn fine movie and close second.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 04, 2017, 10:27:50 PM
The original Mad Max (and sequel) while really great films aren't really comparable to Blade Runner. Blade Runner was essentially a science fiction "art film" made on a blockbuster budget. The Hollywood "system" of today won't allow something like that to happen again.
That still seems debatable too, given the massive budget of BR2049 and the art house nature of Villeneuve's directing. Just because he isn't Ridley Scott doesn't mean that he's not an artistic director.
QuoteJust by looking at the trailer it's already evident that the production design is not on the same level. Not even close.
I dunno about that. Just because it's not the exact same production design as the original, with miniatures and matte paintings for backgrounds, doesn't automatically make the production design inferior. CGI shouldn't be the primary tool for production design, but that doesn't mean it can't have its uses.
Hell, I actually really adore the idea they're going with for a world even further ravaged by climate change, filled with toxic snow and rain in LA and the almost Mars-like dust bowl that Las Vegas seems to have become. It's a smart way of giving the film its own visual style, even though the source influences all stem back to the original film.
QuoteI've no idea about the story though, that might be a different matter. Would be good if it turns out to be another Aliens though. I don't think Aliens ever topped Alien (in my opinion at least) but it's still a pretty damn fine movie and close second.
While I personally agree that Alien is superior to Aliens, I know a lot of friends who prefer it to the original and offer reasonable cases for why they feel that way.
But yeah, I think the story of Blade Runner 2049 is probably going to be one of the determining factors on the argument. Which might actually be doable, based on what little I've heard about the narrative from the news and rumor mills. From what it sounds like, which could be wrong though, they're at least taking some risks creatively. Hopefully that ambition pays off.
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
I talked with a friend over the cyberpunk genre dying out and becoming less and less marketable, and I came to the conclusion is that people don't take this form of science fiction seriously anymore. Movies like Tomorrowland, Ghost in the Shell, and the Robocop remake all under performed due to audiences not being all that interested to see them. Cyberpunk is based off an idea from the 80's of what people believed the future would bring around the corner. Nowadays, people seem more about the post apocalyptic future akin to Mad Max, 28 Days Later, Children of Men, Day After Tomorrow because it feels more believable as a foreseeable futuristic outcome.
I dunno. Blade Runner's brand of cyberpunk is actually pretty strongly in-line with where the future seems to be heading, at least in regards of climate change becoming increasingly toxic and more lifeforms becoming extinct overtime. It's all filtered through fantastical elements, sure, but then so is something like Mad Max.
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/848973399934160900 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/848973399934160900)
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 11:02:10 PM
That still seems debatable too, given the massive budget of BR2049 and the art house nature of Villeneuve's directing. Just because he isn't Ridley Scott doesn't mean that he's not an artistic director.
I'm not saying Villeneuve isn't an "artistic director", the issue is rather the higher the budget the more formulaic the film becomes. You need to start catering for a much larger audience and that more often than not means "dumbing" down the film a bit so that everyone gets it. You can't become too esoteric anymore. Your film also needs to be more easily marketable and that means you need big action sequences or something that will attract casual viewers. That is why today, the most innovative new science fiction films are often those created on a shoestring budget, films like Moon, District 9, Dredd etc. Even Arrival which actually had quite a modest budget.
Villeneuve has also said that he doesn't have final cut on BR 2049. He's going to have to do what the producers/financiers tell him to do whether he likes it or not.
QuoteI dunno about that. Just because it's not the exact same production design as the original, with miniatures and matte paintings for backgrounds, doesn't automatically make the production design inferior. CGI shouldn't be the primary tool for production design, but that doesn't mean it can't have its uses.
I'm not talking about the visual effects here. The CGI in the trailer would have been very rough anyway at this early stage. I'm talking about set, vehicle and costume designs. Blade Runner's biggest attraction was and continues to be it's dazzling production design. It has an outrageous amount of layering and detail, making it one of the most believable fictional environments ever captured on film. What BR 2049 lacks is that kind of texture and visual density. Don't get me wrong, it looks great compared with most other films, but it's nowhere near Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 05, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
What BR 2049 lacks is that kind of texture and visual density. Don't get me wrong, it looks great compared with most other films, but it's nowhere near Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.
Lacks of texture and visual density? We have seen only one teaser. I claim that we're going to be positively shocked while watching it. Believe me. It's going to be phenomenal. I'm not worried at all. It's going to be one of the most expensive R-rated independent feature films ever made. Ridley Scott is not only producing it but he's also responsible for the story itself along with Hampton Fancher who co-wrote the script.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 05, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Apr 04, 2017, 11:02:10 PM
That still seems debatable too, given the massive budget of BR2049 and the art house nature of Villeneuve's directing. Just because he isn't Ridley Scott doesn't mean that he's not an artistic director.
I'm not saying Villeneuve isn't an "artistic director", the issue is rather the higher the budget the more formulaic the film becomes. You need to start catering for a much larger audience and that more often than not means "dumbing" down the film a bit so that everyone gets it. You can't become too esoteric anymore. Your film also needs to be more easily marketable and that means you need big action sequences or something that will attract casual viewers. That is why today, the most innovative new science fiction films are often those created on a shoestring budget, films like Moon, District 9, Dredd etc. Even Arrival which actually had quite a modest budget.
Villeneuve has also said that he doesn't have final cut on BR 2049. He's going to have to do what the producers/financiers tell him to do whether he likes it or not.
QuoteI dunno about that. Just because it's not the exact same production design as the original, with miniatures and matte paintings for backgrounds, doesn't automatically make the production design inferior. CGI shouldn't be the primary tool for production design, but that doesn't mean it can't have its uses.
I'm not talking about the visual effects here. The CGI in the trailer would have been very rough anyway at this early stage. I'm talking about set, vehicle and costume designs. Blade Runner's biggest attraction was and continues to be it's dazzling production design. It has an outrageous amount of layering and detail, making it one of the most believable fictional environments ever captured on film. What BR 2049 lacks is that kind of texture and visual density. Don't get me wrong, it looks great compared with most other films, but it's nowhere near Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.
Mad Max 1 and 2 NEVER were these HUGE cult film.
AFI and The Congress of USA adored BLADE RUNNER. BLADE RUNNER is considered ONE of THE FIVE GREATEST SCI-FIS OF ALL TIME.
Mad Max 1 and 2 NEVER were considered between the 5 greatest of all time.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 05, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
Lacks of texture and visual density? We have seen only one teaser.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 05, 2017, 05:30:29 PMI claim that we're going to be positively shocked while watching it. Believe me. It's going to be phenomenal.
So from seeing just one trailer you can already tell it's going to be "phenomenal" but I cannot make an informed comment on it's production design based off that same trailer? ???
QuoteRidley Scott is not only producing it but he's also responsible for the story itself
Be afraid, be very afraid. :P
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 05, 2017, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 05, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
Lacks of texture and visual density? We have seen only one teaser.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 05, 2017, 05:30:29 PMI claim that we're going to be positively shocked while watching it. Believe me. It's going to be phenomenal.
So from seeing just one trailer you can already tell it's going to be "phenomenal" but I cannot make an informed comment on it's production design based off that same trailer? ???
Come on! I didn't say you cannot make a comment :) I just asked a question. From what I can see in the teaser it looks amazing. And it's only a teaser. Whait till we see a full trailer. Deakins must finally win an Oscar. He deserves it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 05, 2017, 05:42:50 PM
QuoteRidley Scott is not only producing it but he's also responsible for the story itself
Be afraid, be very afraid. :P
Yeah I'm a bit worried but at least he didn't write a screenplay. When I stated that he's responsible for the story I meant that he, as a producer we make sure that almost everything (story-wise) will be done as it should be. I hope.
I recall Harrison Ford saying it's "the best thing I've ever read", but I can't recall where. Anybody else remember that?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 05, 2017, 09:44:49 PM
I recall Harrison Ford saying it's "the best thing I've ever read", but I can't recall where. Anybody else remember that?
I don't trust in Harrison Ford.
Harrison hated the original BLADE RUNNER for 24 years. Then, in 2007, he changed his mind. Maybe because his career was almost dead in 2007 and he needed to talk about BLADE RUNNER again.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 05, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
I'm not saying Villeneuve isn't an "artistic director", the issue is rather the higher the budget the more formulaic the film becomes. You need to start catering for a much larger audience and that more often than not means "dumbing" down the film a bit so that everyone gets it. You can't become too esoteric anymore. Your film also needs to be more easily marketable and that means you need big action sequences or something that will attract casual viewers. That is why today, the most innovative new science fiction films are often those created on a shoestring budget, films like Moon, District 9, Dredd etc. Even Arrival which actually had quite a modest budget.
Villeneuve has also said that he doesn't have final cut on BR 2049. He's going to have to do what the producers/financiers tell him to do whether he likes it or not.
While Villeneuve doesn't have final cut himself on the film, he did point out that he took the job because the producers were the same people he worked with on Prisoners- another film where he didn't get final cut and he ultimately felt their cut was the best version of the film. There's a history between him and those producers, which probably gives him more creative sway on the film than most notorious examples of a director not getting final cut typically have.
This goes a bit into theorizing territory on my part, but the biggest piece of evidence that I can think of is
Spoiler
how the narrative of "Is Deckard a Replicant?" has changed in regards to promoting the film. For years now, Ridley's been babbling about how Deckard was clearly a Replicant and how that'd be a vital part of the new film- until Villeneuve outright stated that he won't be giving a definitive answer one way or the other as he personally feels that the mystery is better left unresolved.
So yes, Villeneuve might not get final say on the film, but he seems to at least have a healthy relationship with the producers and enough sway to that he can potentially get the likes of Sir Ridley Scott to go hum on a topic he's been on about for well over a decade.
QuoteI'm not talking about the visual effects here. The CGI in the trailer would have been very rough anyway at this early stage. I'm talking about set, vehicle and costume designs. Blade Runner's biggest attraction was and continues to be it's dazzling production design. It has an outrageous amount of layering and detail, making it one of the most believable fictional environments ever captured on film. What BR 2049 lacks is that kind of texture and visual density. Don't get me wrong, it looks great compared with most other films, but it's nowhere near Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.
Ah, my mistake then.
On that note, you're not wrong in that BR2049 clearly isn't as visually dense as Blade Runner was. However I don't think sheer density of production design is automatically superior, nor is it worse. It's just different- not unlike how Villeneuve is a different sort of director than Ridley is.
I mean, let's look at 2001: A Space Odyssey- Villeneuve's other favorite film besides Blade Runner- for example. The production design on that is actually not unlike that of BR2049's, at least in terms of visual density. Is the world that Kubrick created in that film any less "real" than Blade Runner just because of that?
I think Kubrick sells the reality of that world through the strength of his directing and visual storytelling. Having minor scenes like where Dr. Floyd calls his daughter from an instant video telephone from a spaceport or the floating pen in the shuttle helped establish the workings of that world, even if the visuals were more streamlined and rather minimalist when compared to the more baroque-like scale of visual density that Ridley went with for Blade Runner.
I do think you bring up an excellent point on just how "full" looking the world of the original Blade Runner is, but personally speaking, I don't think that
automatically guarantees it to be superior to the world Villeneuve is making. Hell, for all we know, there might actually be narrative reasons for why the world of BR2049 looks considerably "thinner" thirty years after the original film- after all, Villeneuve has talked before about how climate change has become even more terrible in BR2049 to the point of natural weather like snow or rain becoming toxic to live in.
Barkhad Abdi plays scientist who is
Spoiler
totally deformed
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/blade-runner-2049-barkhad-abdi-shares-new-character-details-992906
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 03:47:55 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592)
Yeah.
QuoteAnd while Scott might not consider himself nostalgic, he is at least a little excited about one crossover moment: The second "Blade Runner 2049" trailer is supposed to play in front of "Alien: Covenant" showings, which, Scott says drolly, "will be cool."
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/Ridley-Scott-is-Looking-Forward--420487793.html
I'm reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep right now and I wonder if they'll use a lot of the elements from the book that the movie discarded. Like having Isadore in the movie for example. Which I guess was supposed to be J.F. in the first film?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 03:47:55 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/857257217082478592)
Awesome news.
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Man... that photo is as bland as Deckard's new costume! :D
Still looking forward to the film, though.
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Man... that photo is as bland as Deckard's new costume! :D
Still looking forward to the film, though.
Ana De Armas looks way better as blonde. This black hair doesn't suit her.
Personally, I wanted David Fincher over Denis Villeneuve as the Director of BLADE RUNNER 2049.
What is there to see, Jyn Erso?
Fincher, heaven forbid!
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/859799739591557120 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/859799739591557120)
Quote"I think it's going to be -- and this is hard to say because I know I'm going to get some grief for this -- I think it's going to be better than the first film," Bautista, 48, told AFP in an interview over a hasty lunch at a West Hollywood hotel.
"And I'm saying that because I think the script is better, it's deeper. I think it's a better story, I think it's told in a better way, and I think it just answers a lot of questions. It's going to be great."
http://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/05/04/17/dave-bautista-blade-runner-2049-is-better-than-the-original
Dave says that
BR 2049 is better due to the script ... he hasn't fully read :)
QuoteI know you can't say much, but being on the set of a Blade Runner movie has to be crazy?
You know, it was a lot of different things going through my head through Blade Runner. For one, it was surreal. It was intimidating. It was a dream come true, just growing up a fan of Blade Runner. But also, again, I have to put myself into kind of that fan bracket and say I was just so excited about it. I didn't want to read the script! I was asking the producers if I could just kind of read my parts and not read the whole script!
Wait, to not spoil it? Is that why?
Yeah, no spoilers! I wanted to go in and watch it as a fan. I'm anticipating it just like everyone else.
http://uproxx.com/movies/dave-bautista-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-blade-runner-2049/2/
Quote from: Ingwar on May 04, 2017, 09:09:09 AM
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/859799739591557120 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/859799739591557120)
Quote"I think it's going to be -- and this is hard to say because I know I'm going to get some grief for this -- I think it's going to be better than the first film," Bautista, 48, told AFP in an interview over a hasty lunch at a West Hollywood hotel.
"And I'm saying that because I think the script is better, it's deeper. I think it's a better story, I think it's told in a better way, and I think it just answers a lot of questions. It's going to be great."
http://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/05/04/17/dave-bautista-blade-runner-2049-is-better-than-the-original
Dave says that BR 2049 is better due to the script ... he hasn't fully read :)
QuoteI know you can't say much, but being on the set of a Blade Runner movie has to be crazy?
You know, it was a lot of different things going through my head through Blade Runner. For one, it was surreal. It was intimidating. It was a dream come true, just growing up a fan of Blade Runner. But also, again, I have to put myself into kind of that fan bracket and say I was just so excited about it. I didn't want to read the script! I was asking the producers if I could just kind of read my parts and not read the whole script!
Wait, to not spoil it? Is that why?
Yeah, no spoilers! I wanted to go in and watch it as a fan. I'm anticipating it just like everyone else.
http://uproxx.com/movies/dave-bautista-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-blade-runner-2049/2/
I remembered Colin Farrell trashed the original TOTAL RECALL(Paul Verhoeven).
Poor guys.
I care about what David "Batista" Bautista thinks about 'Blade Runner'.
Perhaps he meant it as a metaphor. ;)
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/860124170264367104 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/860124170264367104)
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/860124136110137344 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/860124136110137344)
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Ford's T-Shirt is actually starting to annoy me lol.
Looks like Gosling jacked Vincent Valentine's jacket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqqi1FVOk7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqqi1FVOk7M)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 05, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqqi1FVOk7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqqi1FVOk7M)
OMG! ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIO0khLLFA8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIO0khLLFA8)
I hope is better than GHOST IN THE SHELL(Scarlett Johansson).
Quote from: PierreVW on May 05, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
I hope is better than GHOST IN THE SHELL(Scarlett Johansson).
It will be way better. No worries.
Im note sure i like the minimalistic approach. Then again thats Villeneuves style i guess.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
Im note sure i like the minimalistic approach. Then again thats Villeneuves style i guess.
I like his zen style.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
Im note sure i like the minimalistic approach. Then again thats Villeneuves style i guess.
Yeah, compared to the hyper-texture of Scott's film, this look is a little jarring. That said, it all appears to work as a piece and I'm ready to just take it in as its own thing. Maybe after thirty years, what's left of humanity on Earth put some effort into clearing out the kipple! ;D
the original was perfect as a standalone story and a sequel is pointless, i hope and i have a feeling that they have a really good story as to justify a sequel, but the director and everthing so far is good, so i have hope, i expect it to be as philosophical and metaphysic ad the original and not just an action fest
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 06, 2017, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
Im note sure i like the minimalistic approach. Then again thats Villeneuves style i guess.
Yeah, compared to the hyper-texture of Scott's film, this look is a little jarring. That said, it all appears to work as a piece and I'm ready to just take it in as its own thing. Maybe after thirty years, what's left of humanity on Earth put some effort into clearing out the kipple! ;D
Haha true and to be fair its way too early to tell.
Trailer soon. :o :o
Looks like that Ghost in the Shell movie that just bombed last month ::)
Quote from: Magegg on May 07, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
Looks like that Ghost in the Shell movie that just bombed last month ::)
I agree.
That Scarlett Johansson movie was very bad but I save 2 things about it:
1.- The Photography.
2.- The Music.
Quote from: Magegg on May 07, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
Looks like that Ghost in the Shell movie that just bombed last month ::)
Looks like that Blade Runner movie that bombed 30 years ago.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 08, 2017, 12:04:34 AM
Quote from: Magegg on May 07, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
Looks like that Ghost in the Shell movie that just bombed last month ::)
Looks like that Blade Runner movie that bombed 30 years ago.
35 years ago.
The difference is The Visuals of Sir Ridley Scott are always very modern and futuristic. Sometimes TOO modern and futuristic for normal people.
This looks like done that, NOTHING new in terms of visuals.
I love the orange. Not sure on the city as of yet, but we'll see. I have faith in the story, just not Gosling and the director.
If anything I think Ridley should have stuck with Alien/Blade Runner instead of All the Money in the World/Martian/whatever else he fancies.
New trailer:
It's like their taking a lot of ideas from the story that wasn't used. I'm looking forward to this more than Alien: Covenant.
You know, this looks EXACTLY like I thought it would look if Ridley were to direct. Given his recent style, ie. Prometheus, Martian, Covenant, this seems to fit perfectly with his current aesthetic.
I'm very confident now. And no, it doesn't have the grubby feeling the original did, but times change. It looks like it does the job, and very well at that. Villeneuve clearly doesn't want to copy, but more adapt into what modern technology can do with a Blade Runner universe.
That trailer looks stunning. Pretty different from how the original looked, but I honestly don't mind that. I think it would have been a mistake if Villeneuve had tried to copy Ridley's work in the original, so I'm very into his own spin that we're seeing here.
This looks great, it's my most anticipated movie of the year and it's a hell of a year for movies.
I'm a bit worrier about Ford's character. He doesn't behave like Deckard.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 08, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
I'm a bit worrier about Ford's character. He doesn't behave like Deckard.
Harrison is Harrison. It's difficult to separate Jones, Solo and Deckard with these newest entries. I think he'll do a decent job.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 08, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
I'm a bit worrier about Ford's character. He doesn't behave like Deckard.
You think you'll behave the same way as you do now in 30 years time? :)
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 08, 2017, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 08, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
I'm a bit worrier about Ford's character. He doesn't behave like Deckard.
You think you'll behave the same way as you do now in 30 years time? :)
I got your point but still he acts differently. But then again, I only have seen a trailer.
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We're so happy that it's full of epic gunfights, huge explosions and fast-paced action just like the original.
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We're so happy that it's full of epic gunfights, huge explosions and fast-paced action just like the original.
Are you being sarcastic? ;D
There doesn't seem to be much action at all in this trailer, and what appears to demonstrate that seems very stripped back. There's almost no modern techniques in its production. No shaky cam. Nothing. What's the issue?
Blade Runner had its share of little action pieces, too.
Unless it's sarcasm. In which case, f**k all what I just said. :laugh:
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We're so happy that it's full of epic gunfights, huge explosions and fast-paced action just like the original.
It looks very bad.
VERY DIFFERENT from the original.
Like a boring Nolan movie.
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We're so happy that it's full of epic gunfights, huge explosions and fast-paced action just like the original.
It looks very bad.
VERY DIFFERENT from the original.
Like a boring Nolan movie.
It looks great. Zen style. Cannot wait to see it.
Nolan couldn't even dream of making a film that looks this good.
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Nolan couldn't even dream of making a film that looks this good.
You are probably right.
Nolan doesn't have much of visual imagination.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Nolan couldn't even dream of making a film that looks this good.
You are probably right.
Nolan doesn't have much of visual imagination.
He shoots what is in front of him, not what he
wants to see in front of him.
I have the 'Final cut' of Blade runner but no idea which version to watch. What do you guys reckon ?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 08, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
It's like their taking a lot of ideas from the story that wasn't used. I'm looking forward to this more than Alien: Covenant.
I'm not well versed when it comes to Blade Runner and I have never read 'Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep'. Can you elaborate on what unused story elements you mean.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
I have the 'Final cut' of Blade runner but no idea which version to watch. What do you guys reckon ?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 08, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
It's like their taking a lot of ideas from the story that wasn't used. I'm looking forward to this more than Alien: Covenant.
I'm not well versed when it comes to Blade Runner and I have never read 'Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep'. Can you elaborate on what unused story elements you mean.
Absolutely the final cut. It's a masterpiece. The original cut has a load of problems.
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
I have the 'Final cut' of Blade runner but no idea which version to watch. What do you guys reckon ?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 08, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
It's like their taking a lot of ideas from the story that wasn't used. I'm looking forward to this more than Alien: Covenant.
I'm not well versed when it comes to Blade Runner and I have never read 'Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep'. Can you elaborate on what unused story elements you mean.
Absolutely the final cut. It's a masterpiece. The original cut has a load of problems.
Thanks dude. I'll get on that. I need to be 'well read,' if you will, before seeing 2049
Final Cut it's the best. Cannot beat that.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
I have the 'Final cut' of Blade runner but no idea which version to watch. What do you guys reckon ?
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 08, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
It's like their taking a lot of ideas from the story that wasn't used. I'm looking forward to this more than Alien: Covenant.
I'm not well versed when it comes to Blade Runner and I have never read 'Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep'. Can you elaborate on what unused story elements you mean.
Absolutely the final cut. It's a masterpiece. The original cut has a load of problems.
Thanks dude. I'll get on that. I need to be 'well read,' if you will, before seeing 2049
It's mesmerising. You won't be disappointed!
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Let's run with that!!
Maybe they ARE based in The same universe!!!!??!
Maybe. Mostly. ;)
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Really ? I don't recal that
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Nolan couldn't even dream of making a film that looks this good.
You are probably right.
Nolan doesn't have much of visual imagination.
He shoots what is in front of him, not what he wants to see in front of him.
From this trailer, Jared Leto looks great. Like a villain in the vein of Rutger Hauer.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Really ? I don't recal that
http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43221
Looks not unlike the new Ghost in the Shell movie, nice to look at but it feels too clean and glossy, doesn't look real i'm afraid, though there are couple very nice shots but overall it doesn't go the extra mile. The music is also alarmingly pedestrian that makes it seem even more like by the numbers sci-fi action number that nobody wants.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Is there a reason that you are constantly make shit up? Because it's really getting old.
I'm starting to get over my knee-jerk reaction to the 'clean' look of the film. Now that I think about it, LA of 2049 looks as different from LA of 2019 as LA of 2019 looked from LA of 1982. And I'm alright with that...
I'm with 8th Passenger about the action spectacle in theory, though we don't know what kind of story's being told, yet. Could be there's a (corporate?) military element involved, hence the 'splodiness.
I'm still amazed that Hampton Fancher got sole story credit, let alone being involved at all. Man hasn't written a screenplay since 1989. That's not a diss - I just think it's shocking and wonderful that they'd bring him in on a major picture like this.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
No he didn't.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 08, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
I'm starting to get over my knee-jerk reaction to the 'clean' look of the film. Now that I think about it, LA of 2049 looks as different from LA of 2019 as LA of 2019 looked from LA of 1982. And I'm alright with that...
It sure is well designed and looks beautiful, and i agree that the changes to the city design are justified. Trouble is, the world just looks very computerish and sterile, there is no depth to it compared with the 1982 film. Maybe i just expect too much.
Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 08, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
I'm starting to get over my knee-jerk reaction to the 'clean' look of the film. Now that I think about it, LA of 2049 looks as different from LA of 2019 as LA of 2019 looked from LA of 1982. And I'm alright with that...
It sure is well designed and looks beautiful, and i agree that the changes to the city design are justified. Trouble is, the world just looks very computerish and sterile, there is no depth to it compared with the 1982 film. Maybe i just expect too much.
I think it definitely looks more sterile, less detailed and therefore a bit computerish. For example the handrail and the filthy floor in these two shots, even if it isnt the same type of building and overall different lighting.
(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Blade-Runner-2049-trailer-breakdown-37.jpg)
(https://untappedcities-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/3-bradbury-building-film-locations-la-untapped-cities-wesley-yiin.jpg)
Its lacking this little details that made the first ones city look so real/layered, IMO. Im not sure but the Blade Runner shot might be 95% CGI (except Gosling and some real floor/handrail).
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Nolan couldn't even dream of making a film that looks this good.
You are probably right.
Nolan doesn't have much of visual imagination.
He shoots what is in front of him, not what he wants to see in front of him.
From this trailer, Jared Leto looks great. Like a villain in the vein of Rutger Hauer.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Really ? I don't recal that
http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43221
So he never said that then. I didnt think so.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Really ? I don't recal that
They're not really: https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/blade-runneralien/
Liking the look of this, though I miss the Noir stuff.
He's seen things you people wouldn't believe...
(https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/weylandmilitaryguyscreenshotfull4.jpg)
Looks great. 8)
Blade Runner 2049 in a nutshell compared to Blade Runner.
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vs
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Quote from: reecebomb on May 09, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
Blade Runner 2049 in a nutshell compared to Blade Runner.
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Quote from: Russ840 on May 08, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 08, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Looks good, they should mix this grimey style with aliens universe.
Sir Ridley Scott said several times that ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER are in THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Really ? I don't recal that
The reason for that, as you well know, is because he's never said that. :)
He has made comparisons between the corporate future of Alien and Tyrell, but never linked them. Similarly, from memory, Lindelof says on the Prometheus commentary that they're not a shared universe.
So thats Goslings character running through the wall.. i guess obvious is obvious?
Looks very much like Denis's own style, while still respecting the aesthetic of that world, the original will remain as peerless as ever in terms of art design, composition and cinematography, but this does look quite beautiful, Deakins well and truly deserves his long overdue Oscar. Looking forward to it.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 02:35:56 AM
So thats Goslings character running through the wall.. i guess obvious is obvious?
Is it really him? If so then line in the trailer:
you are special makes sense.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 09, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 02:35:56 AM
So thats Goslings character running through the wall.. i guess obvious is obvious?
Is it really him? If so then line in the trailer: you are special makes sense.
Its a bit blurry but i would say 80% (or maybe theres more than one that looks like him?). Plus the next scene probably is him saving Deckard from his exploding car so...
Anyway i think i found out whats bothering me a bit but that might be due to unfinished cgi (at least i hope). I recognized that all backgrounds of the city become foggy/blurry very soon. I mean obviously thats the case in the original too, but there are also a lot of shots like this great one:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4OPg4oWQAEtC7U.jpg)
In 2049 its always like this:
(https://static.omelete.uol.com.br/media/uploads/conteudo/fotos/1piramide.jpg)
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I mean it could be explained in world by weather conditions or changes in the planetaric atmosphere but to me it smells a bit like budget control and therefore adds to the overall "cheaper look" (dont get me wrong, i still think it looks fine) of the film others have already mentioned.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 09, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 02:35:56 AM
So thats Goslings character running through the wall.. i guess obvious is obvious?
Is it really him? If so then line in the trailer: you are special makes sense.
Its a bit blurry but i would say 80% (or maybe theres more than one that looks like him?). Plus the next scene probably is him saving Deckard from his exploding car so...
Anyway i think i found out whats bothering me a bit but that might be due to unfinished cgi (at least i hope). I recognized that all backgrounds of the city become foggy/blurry very soon. I mean obviously thats the case in the original too, but there are also a lot of shots like this great one:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4OPg4oWQAEtC7U.jpg)
In 2049 its always like this:
(https://static.omelete.uol.com.br/media/uploads/conteudo/fotos/1piramide.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrailers.apple.com%2Ftrailers%2Fwb%2Fblade-runner-2049%2Fimages%2Fthumbnail_25319.jpg&hash=6072112d02c4cc29510f77eaddd394fce0917646)
I mean it could be explained in world by weather conditions or changes in the planetaric atmosphere but to me it smells a bit like budget control and therefore adds to the overall "cheaper look" (dont get me wrong, i still think it looks fine) of the film others have already mentioned.
It could be just POORER level of visuals.
In visuals alone, it's almost impossible to be better than Sir Ridley Scott. Sir Ridley is famous for his Beautiful Vistas. Most people, only remembered his films for its visual beauty.
The acting looks horrid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZOLKwSsFik&t=1s
Ha, perfect!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uTv4CfyeZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uTv4CfyeZY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUdlv8uk8vo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUdlv8uk8vo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNijjU-2IE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNijjU-2IE)
Few years Scott ago revealed the opening shot of
2049, which is based on the original opening that was scrapped from the 1982 sci-fi film.
(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/blade-runner-2-700x300.jpg)
QuoteWe decided to start the film off with the original starting block of the original film. We always loved the idea of a dystopian universe, and we start off at what I describe as a 'factory farm' – what would be a flat land with farming. Wyoming. Flat, not rolling – you can see for 20 miles. No fences, just plowed, dry dirt. Turn around and you see a massive tree, just dead, but the tree is being supported and kept alive by wires that are holding the tree up. It's a bit like Grapes of Wrath, there's dust, and the tree is still standing. By that tree is a traditional, Grapes of Wrath-type white cottage with a porch. Behind it at a distance of two miles, in the twilight, is this massive combine harvester that's fertilizing this ground. You've got 16 Klieg lights on the front, and this combine is four times the size of this cottage. And now a spinner [a flying car] comes flying in, creating dust. Of course, traditionally chased by a dog that barks, the doors open, a guy gets out and there you've got Rick Deckard. He walks in the cottage, opens the door, sits down, smells stew, sits down and waits for the guy to pull up to the house to arrive. The guy's seen him, so the guy pulls the combine behind the cottage and it towers three stories above it, and the man climbs down from a ladder – a big man. He steps onto the balcony and he goes to Harrison's side. The cottage actually [creaks]; this guy's got to be 350 pounds. I'm not going to say anything else – you'll have to go see the movie.
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2-opening/
And still from new trailer.
(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Blade-Runner-2049-trailer-breakdown-38-700x294.jpg)
That shot-for-shot comparison is pretty slick.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 09, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 02:35:56 AM
So thats Goslings character running through the wall.. i guess obvious is obvious?
Is it really him? If so then line in the trailer: you are special makes sense.
Its a bit blurry but i would say 80% (or maybe theres more than one that looks like him?). Plus the next scene probably is him saving Deckard from his exploding car so...
Anyway i think i found out whats bothering me a bit but that might be due to unfinished cgi (at least i hope). I recognized that all backgrounds of the city become foggy/blurry very soon. I mean obviously thats the case in the original too, but there are also a lot of shots like this great one:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4OPg4oWQAEtC7U.jpg)
In 2049 its always like this:
(https://static.omelete.uol.com.br/media/uploads/conteudo/fotos/1piramide.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrailers.apple.com%2Ftrailers%2Fwb%2Fblade-runner-2049%2Fimages%2Fthumbnail_25319.jpg&hash=6072112d02c4cc29510f77eaddd394fce0917646)
I mean it could be explained in world by weather conditions or changes in the planetaric atmosphere but to me it smells a bit like budget control and therefore adds to the overall "cheaper look" (dont get me wrong, i still think it looks fine) of the film others have already mentioned.
Weather conditions 30 years on works perfectly. I was just watching the Dangerous Days doco again and they talk a lot about the amount of smoke they use - particularly in the model shots of the city.
Quote from: Sabby on May 10, 2017, 05:39:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZOLKwSsFik&t=1s
The funny part is the fact its so accurate lol!
Ford really is not dressed for the role of a Blade Runner character. He looks like he just rolled out of bed, walked on set for a few minutes and then picked up his pay slip on the way out.
Quote from: genocyber on May 15, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
Ford really is not dressed for the role of a Blade Runner character. He looks like he just rolled out of bed, walked on set for a few minutes and then picked up his pay slip on the way out.
They've moved beyond that Noir look, which kinda saddens me.
So, I tried years ago to watch Blade Runner, several times, and I never could finish it or remember much of anything. Ironically, I finished the awful point and click PC game (guess how much sense it made?), and I've heard people have heated arguments over who is and isn't a robot and who does or doesn't know they're a robot.
So, in saying that... is this main character supposed to be a robot? Because they look like one.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 08, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
I'm still amazed that Hampton Fancher got sole story credit, let alone being involved at all. Man hasn't written a screenplay since 1989. That's not a diss - I just think it's shocking and wonderful that they'd bring him in on a major picture like this.
I don't think they actually hired him. He wrote a Blade Runner sequel outline and then showed it to Scott who in turn passed it on to the suits. Michael Green (Green Lantern, Alien: Covenant) wrote the actual screenplay.
Fancher's original Dangerous Days script was very good but not as good as what we got in the final film. Scott and David Peoples (Unforgiven) improved it quite a bit. Fancher didn't even originally have a reason for the androids being on earth, they were just walking around whacking people for no reason. And he had some stuff in there that was a bit silly really, like Leon introducing Deckard to his pet cockroaches.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2017, 11:00:38 PM
They've moved beyond that Noir look, which kinda saddens me.
One of my biggest beef's so far. Blade Runner is a very careful and unique blend of 1930 to 50's noir with futuristic elements. Even the film's most futuristic vehicle, the Spinner is more reminiscent of the 1930 and 40's Art Deco concept cars than anything else.
Blade Runner 2049 looks more like Deus Ex: The Movie to me.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 16, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 08, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
I'm still amazed that Hampton Fancher got sole story credit, let alone being involved at all. Man hasn't written a screenplay since 1989. That's not a diss - I just think it's shocking and wonderful that they'd bring him in on a major picture like this.
I don't think they actually hired him. He wrote a Blade Runner sequel outline and then showed it to Scott who in turn passed it on to the suits. Michael Green (Green Lantern, Alien: Covenant) wrote the actual screenplay.
Fancher's original Dangerous Days script was very good but not as good as what we got in the final film. Scott and David Peoples (Unforgiven) improved it quite a bit. Fancher didn't even originally have a reason for the androids being on earth, they were just walking around whacking people for no reason. And he had some stuff in there that was a bit silly really, like Leon introducing Deckard to his pet cockroaches.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2017, 11:00:38 PM
They've moved beyond that Noir look, which kinda saddens me.
One of my biggest beef's so far. Blade Runner is a very careful and unique blend of 1930 to 50's noir with futuristic elements. Even the film's most futuristic vehicle, the Spinner is more reminiscent of the 1930 and 40's Art Deco concept cars than anything else.
Blade Runner 2049 looks more like Deus Ex: The Movie to me.
Some Youtubers are linking ALIEN: COVENANT with BLADE RUNNER.
Especially the Youtuber Grace Randolph in her biggest channel Beyond The Trailer.
Grace Randolph? Cannot stand her.
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Quote from: Ingwar on May 18, 2017, 08:52:09 PM
Grace Randolph? Cannot stand her.
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BLADE RUNNER 2049 is going to bomb at the theaters.
ALIEN is a bigger franchise and still is dying.
The original BLADE RUNNER was a flop at the box office.
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BLADE RUNNER 2049 is going to bomb at the theaters.
ALIEN is a bigger franchise and still is dying.
The original BLADE RUNNER was a flop at the box office.
Maybe but it's not our money.
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that "Blade Runner 2049" will "bomb at the theaters", the talent alone will sell this movie to the general public, let alone all the actual "Blade Runner" fans that will go and see this whether they want it to exist or not.
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 24, 2017, 08:27:37 PM
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that "Blade Runner 2049" will "bomb at the theaters", the talent alone will sell this movie to the general public, let alone all the actual "Blade Runner" fans that will go and see this whether they want it to exist or not.
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
I'm a bigger fan of BLADE RUNNER than you.
Don't need for your crying.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
MacDonalds? I practically live in the gym. I'm a gym junkie. I never been in a MacDonalds in my entire life.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
I'm a bigger fan of BLADE RUNNER than you.
Don't need for your crying.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
MacDonalds? I practically live in the gym. I'm a gym junkie. I never been in a MacDonalds in my entire life.
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Anyone else feeling kinda relieved after watching A:C that Ridley isnt directing this one?
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Quote from: N-Shifter on May 24, 2017, 08:27:37 PM
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that "Blade Runner 2049" will "bomb at the theaters", the talent alone will sell this movie to the general public, let alone all the actual "Blade Runner" fans that will go and see this whether they want it to exist or not.
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
Arrival doubled its budget with its box office take, so did Sicario and so did Prisoners. He's a well known Director and he's only had three big films.
If your looking for this to make huge blockbuster numbers then... I don't think you get the movie.
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Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 24, 2017, 08:27:37 PM
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that "Blade Runner 2049" will "bomb at the theaters", the talent alone will sell this movie to the general public, let alone all the actual "Blade Runner" fans that will go and see this whether they want it to exist or not.
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
Arrival doubled its budget with its box office take, so did Sicario and so did Prisoners. He's a well known Director and he's only had three big films.
If your looking for this to make huge blockbuster numbers then... I don't think you get the movie.
Depends in the budget.
Arrival, Sicario and Prisoners had small budgets.
Blade Runner 2049 is a different beast.
You are like some sort of IMDB/YouTube bot obsessed with an artificial pop culture tracking system that only exists in your head. Please go back to making up fictional rumors.
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Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
I'm a bigger fan of BLADE RUNNER than you.
Don't need for your crying.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 24, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
It's bombing.
Villeneuve is a cult director. He isn't famous like Spielberg, Cameron, etc....
And the brand is not popular between youngsters.
And you're gonna BE there! And you're gonna say 'I told you so', and you're gonna LAUGH at us Blade Runner fans, in our misery, as we watch our beloved film get a crappy sequel!
And then you're gonna go to McDonalds... and spend the rest of the evening alone in the corner, crying into a strawberry shake...
MacDonalds? I practically live in the gym. I'm a gym junkie. I never been in a MacDonalds in my entire life.
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Anyone else feeling kinda relieved after watching A:C that Ridley isnt directing this one?
I disagree. It's the opposite.
PROMETHEUS and ALIEN. COVENANT felt more close to BLADE RUNNER than ALIEN. Sir Ridley still is obsessing about the Androids.
After Covenant I'm seriously worried about 2049 knowing that Scott was heavily involved.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 29, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
After Covenant I'm seriously worried about 2049 knowing that Scott was heavily involved.
Turns out David created the replicants. ;)
Quote from: Ingwar on May 29, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
After Covenant I'm seriously worried about 2049 knowing that Scott was heavily involved.
He didn't write or direct it so I think we're safe, he's a producer on it just so they can use his name to sell it.
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 29, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 29, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
After Covenant I'm seriously worried about 2049 knowing that Scott was heavily involved.
Her didn't write or direct it so I think we're safe, he's a producer on it just so they can use his name to sell it.
Yes, he didn't write it but he's responsible for story itself. He brought his idea to Hampton Fancher.
Fancher knows how to deal with Scott and his story ideas, though.
When was the last time Hampton Fancher worked in the business, though? He's not Ridley Scott. A lot of times what Ridley says goes.
I think it looks good, despite Villeneuve's (gorgeous) aesthetic often being kind of the inverse of the original's look - change happens. I have high hopes. But I do wonder about where Ridley may or may not have his hand in.
QuoteLast night, while I was at a press screening for The Mummy in Times Square and Splash Report editor-in-chief Kellvin Chavez was at the red carpet premiere with Tom Cruise in New York, a top secret screening was taking place on the other side of the Hudson River. Around 300 people were invited to take part in a test screening for an unknown film. Security was tight, as they each had to pass through metal detectors, and they even had to have their picture taken before they could be allowed into the theater.
The 300 unsuspecting moviegoers each made their way into the theater and found their seats, still without a clue as to what they were about to watch. All they knew was that, based on the "similar movies" mentioned in their invitations, it seemed to be an R-rated science fiction movie. And then, moments before the film begins, it's announced:
They're about to watch the first cut of Denis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049, which doesn't arrive in theaters until October 6!
Once it was over, the test audience was asked to give their reactions to what they'd just watched. These confidential notes will now go back to the studio, which will assess how to tweak the film in the months to come. But luckily for you Blade Runner fans out there, we happened to have a spy on hand who's very intimately aware of the goings-on at test screenings like this.
Our little bird has flown home today to share with us the earliest buzz on Blade Runner 2049, and it's...not great.
It would appear that the general consensus was that the film's pacing is plodding, and that it drags with a running time of nearly three hours. Simply put, it didn't test very well.
What's interesting is that pacing is a recurring critique when it comes to test screenings for Villeneuve's films. He's a filmmaker who enjoys a good slow burn, but his initial cuts tend to be a little too slow. Similar complaints were brought up after test screenings for Sicario and Arrival, the director's last two efforts. The good news is, in both instances, the films got substantially tightened up because of the test screening responses. The results? Sicario was a critical darling and indie hit that is spawning a sequel, and Arrival was nominated for multiple Academy Awards including Best Picture!
So here's hoping that these initial not-so-hot responses lead to the same outcome for Blade Runner 2049, and that it ends up getting edited down and streamlined before it arrives in theaters in four months.
I, for one, am a huge Villeneuve fan so I'm not worried. I thought Sicario was phenomenal, and Arrival was damn near a religious experience for me when I saw it in theaters. In fact, I just re-watched it over the weekend so that my wife could experience it for himself. In Villeneuve, I've found a filmmaker I haven't been this excited about since Christopher Nolan arrived on the scene in 2000.
http://splashreport.com/exclusive-the-earliest-buzz-for-blade-runner-2049-is-here-and-it/
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QuoteLast night, while I was at a press screening for The Mummy in Times Square and Splash Report editor-in-chief Kellvin Chavez was at the red carpet premiere with Tom Cruise in New York, a top secret screening was taking place on the other side of the Hudson River. Around 300 people were invited to take part in a test screening for an unknown film. Security was tight, as they each had to pass through metal detectors, and they even had to have their picture taken before they could be allowed into the theater.
The 300 unsuspecting moviegoers each made their way into the theater and found their seats, still without a clue as to what they were about to watch. All they knew was that, based on the "similar movies" mentioned in their invitations, it seemed to be an R-rated science fiction movie. And then, moments before the film begins, it's announced:
They're about to watch the first cut of Denis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049, which doesn't arrive in theaters until October 6!
Once it was over, the test audience was asked to give their reactions to what they'd just watched. These confidential notes will now go back to the studio, which will assess how to tweak the film in the months to come. But luckily for you Blade Runner fans out there, we happened to have a spy on hand who's very intimately aware of the goings-on at test screenings like this.
Our little bird has flown home today to share with us the earliest buzz on Blade Runner 2049, and it's...not great.
It would appear that the general consensus was that the film's pacing is plodding, and that it drags with a running time of nearly three hours. Simply put, it didn't test very well.
What's interesting is that pacing is a recurring critique when it comes to test screenings for Villeneuve's films. He's a filmmaker who enjoys a good slow burn, but his initial cuts tend to be a little too slow. Similar complaints were brought up after test screenings for Sicario and Arrival, the director's last two efforts. The good news is, in both instances, the films got substantially tightened up because of the test screening responses. The results? Sicario was a critical darling and indie hit that is spawning a sequel, and Arrival was nominated for multiple Academy Awards including Best Picture!
So here's hoping that these initial not-so-hot responses lead to the same outcome for Blade Runner 2049, and that it ends up getting edited down and streamlined before it arrives in theaters in four months.
I, for one, am a huge Villeneuve fan so I'm not worried. I thought Sicario was phenomenal, and Arrival was damn near a religious experience for me when I saw it in theaters. In fact, I just re-watched it over the weekend so that my wife could experience it for himself. In Villeneuve, I've found a filmmaker I haven't been this excited about since Christopher Nolan arrived on the scene in 2000.
http://splashreport.com/exclusive-the-earliest-buzz-for-blade-runner-2049-is-here-and-it/
I'm concerned.
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
Lol the critiques for the first cut, are what i would have for the first blade runner movie.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
Not for me, I love all of their movies, can't wait for "Blade Runner 2049" - if it get's really cut down I hope the extended cut comes with the home release.
Doesnt matter how good or bad it is, the internet will be here to tear it to pieces either way.
Quote from: frenchfries on Jun 07, 2017, 10:53:13 PM
Lol the critiques for the first cut, are what i would have for the first blade runner movie.
It sounds very similar to the original's test screening reports. A couple of comments from the original reaction cards:
"Too slow and draggy in places"
"Film is hard to follow and understand"
"Went too far with graphic violence"
"Why was it always raining?"
And a lot of complaints about the ending which is why the "happy ending" got tacked on later. And the narration for those who found it hard to follow.
In short, it didn't test very well at all. The producers and financiers were very concerned.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
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Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
I disagree.
TDKR and Interstellar are bad to me.
I hated that Double movie from Villeneuve.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 08, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
I disagree.
TDKR and Interstellar are bad to me.
I hated that Double movie from Villeneuve.
It's just a matter of taste. I love Interstellar. That Double movie from Villeneuve? What movie is that?
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Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
I disagree.
TDKR and Interstellar are bad to me.
I hated that Double movie from Villeneuve.
It's just a matter of taste. I love Interstellar. That Double movie from Villeneuve? What movie is that?
I disagree. Interstellar or "The Power Of Love" is very stupid to me.
ENEMY. I just remembered the title. I hate Enemy(Jake Gyllehaal) from Villeneuve.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 08, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 08, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
I disagree.
TDKR and Interstellar are bad to me.
I hated that Double movie from Villeneuve.
It's just a matter of taste. I love Interstellar. That Double movie from Villeneuve? What movie is that?
I disagree. Interstellar or "The Power Of Love" is very stupid to me.
ENEMY. I just remembered the title. I hate Enemy(Jake Gyllehaal) from Villeneuve.
You disagree. You hate. It's stupid. What's wrong with you?
Enemy is very intelligent movie.
Enemy being a good movie is debateable. A little too much visual metaphor for me, not enough clear narrative. Personally, I find it hard to enjoy a movie without a complete narrative. Room for interpretation or extra meaning on a second viewing is fine, but shouldn't be required.
So, like Blade Runner.
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Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 08, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 08, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 08, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 07, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Villeneuve is Overrated just like Nolan.
They're not. Actually those two directors haven't made any bad movie at all.
I disagree.
TDKR and Interstellar are bad to me.
I hated that Double movie from Villeneuve.
It's just a matter of taste. I love Interstellar. That Double movie from Villeneuve? What movie is that?
I disagree. Interstellar or "The Power Of Love" is very stupid to me.
ENEMY. I just remembered the title. I hate Enemy(Jake Gyllehaal) from Villeneuve.
You disagree. You hate. It's stupid. What's wrong with you? Enemy is very intelligent movie.
I agree to disagree with you.
Enemy and Polytechnique are good films (regardless if you dig the metaphors, the story itself is interesting). Arrival I did not like, found that very boring (Contact from 1997 is a better movie with a similar theme). I still think this guy is better than Christopher Nolan.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 08, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Enemy and Polytechnique are good films (regardless if you dig the metaphors, the story itself is interesting). Arrival I did not like, found that very boring (Contact from 1997 is a better movie with a similar theme). I still think this guy is better than Christopher Nolan.
I agree with your last sentence.
Villeneuve is better than Nolan. I like Sicario a lot.
Quote from: Sabby on Jun 08, 2017, 11:02:36 PM
Enemy being a good movie is debateable. A little too much visual metaphor for me, not enough clear narrative. Personally, I find it hard to enjoy a movie without a complete narrative. Room for interpretation or extra meaning on a second viewing is fine, but shouldn't be required.
So, like Blade Runner.
Everything can be debatable regarding movies because everyone's got different taste and needs. I like all Villeneuve and Noland's movies. Some of them are better some worse than others but at the end they're very solid. Are they flawed? What isn't flawed?
Room for interpretation or extra meaning on a second viewing is fine, but shouldn't be required. Why not? Who says that? Is this some kind unwritten rule? I don't think so. There're no rules when it comes to movie making. That's why I love Lynch's movies. You can watch them over and over again and always find something new.
I really dislike the position that X isn't good or bad, it's just up to taste. Taste is a factor, sure, but movies are still a craft. There's still a lot of pretty solid theory in place for what makes a movie good. You don't have to adhere to it Religiously, but don't throw it out either.
I didn't actually say that Enemy was bad though, just that it's easy to make a case for it not being a good film, and I gave one. If you go to a cinema wanting a complete story, with a clear narrative and ending, then Enemy is a terrible movie by that metric. You can't tell me that nonesense at the end was a satisfying resolution to anything. You might as well have had a skeleton pop out, and say it was foreshadowed by the works of Plato on the guys desk 20 minutes in.
That's just how I evaluate the movies worth. There are other standards it shines by.
Quote from: Sabby on Jun 09, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
I didn't actually say that Enemy was bad though, just that it's easy to make a case for it not being a good film, and I gave one. If you go to a cinema wanting a complete story, with a clear narrative and ending, then Enemy is a terrible movie by that metric. You can't tell me that nonesense at the end was a satisfying resolution to anything. You might as well have had a skeleton pop out, and say it was foreshadowed by the works of Plato on the guys desk 20 minutes in.
That's just how I evaluate the movies worth. There are other standards it shines by.
Who says I want to go to cinema to see complete story with clear narrative and ending? I like mystery. Movies like
Enemy are for me.
I can't tell you you that nonsense at the end was a satisfying resolution to anything? I will decide what I can say or not and I will say it now. It was satisfying to me. And it wasn't nonsense. Again, matter of taste.
Firstly, I said 'if' you want that. I did. By that metric, the movie sucked. I granted it did things well by other metrics, so calm down. A single criticism is not an attack on something you like.
Secondly, you don't measure writing coherency by 'taste'. Your free to like the ending, but it is just a fact that it is very ambiguous. It does not satisfy the audiences questions or conclude the story in a comprehensive way.
And that's fine. You can like an ending that is devoid of information or conclusion.
Quote from: Sabby on Jun 09, 2017, 11:04:11 AM
Firstly, I said 'if' you want that. I did. By that metric, the movie sucked. I granted it did things well by other metrics, so calm down. A single criticism is not an attack on something you like.
Secondly, you don't measure writing coherency by 'taste'. Your free to like the ending, but it is just a fact that it is very ambiguous. It does not satisfy the audiences questions or conclude the story in a comprehensive way.
And that's fine. You can like an ending that is devoid of information or conclusion.
1. I'm calm down.
By that metric movie sucked? What kind of statement is that? You can pick and choose any metric and then suddenly ALL movies will suck. I don't judge movies by metrics. I judge them by my own taste (look point 2.)
2. I do measure movies by taste. The same with music and books.
I doesn't satisfy the audience? What audience? Everyone viewer is different. I love that ending. And to me it's not ambiguous. And even if it was I wouldn't mind. As I said I like Lynch's movies.
You're really not understanding. Like, at all.
I do. Like, everything.
I guess by that "metric" Godard only made shite movies. Yeah well, there's a lot of pretty solid film theory that tells you this metric doesnt apply in this case, like, at all.
QuoteYou can like an ending that is devoid of information or conclusion.
You can even call it a well crafted film.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 11, 2017, 04:03:34 PM
I guess by that "metric" Godard only made shite movies. Yeah well, there's a lot of pretty solid film theory that tells you this metric doesnt apply in this case, like, at all.
True. The only metric should be our own opinion. At least this is my approach.
You just replace every part of the movie being examined with 'movie' and say whether you liked it or not. This is what I mean when I say your not understanding. I cited a specific part of the movie, that being the coherency of the writing, especially at the ending. Taste is not a thing that determines whether writing is coherent or not. That's a pretty mundane fact.
Your response?
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 09, 2017, 12:13:08 PMI do measure movies by taste. The same with music and books.
You really can't see the problem there? Responding to specific criticism with "No I liked it though" is like a childs response. No ones challenging whether you like it or not. You clearly do, and good for you, I guess. The movie still has room for discussion about it's quality, and going "Wah but only opinions matter" is just infantile.
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my old teacher's sister-in-law did the cgi in the film. great lead in this film, great supporting actors, seems impossible to mess this one up. then again, michael green and john logan strike again. starting to be known as the worst pens in hollywood.
Michael Green also helped write Logan, so he's not complete shit.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Michael Green also helped write Logan, so he's not complete shit.
John Logan wrote GLADIATOR.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 17, 2017, 10:05:43 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Michael Green also helped write Logan, so he's not complete shit.
John Logan wrote GLADIATOR.
And Star Trek: Nemesis... :laugh:
Although I did love the f**k out of Logan's I Am Legend script.
Think it will turn out better than Prometheus, Alien Covenant or Exodus: Gods and Kings?? ???
It probably will be better than The Counselor, at least.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 17, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Michael Green also helped write Logan, so he's not complete shit.
John Logan wrote GLADIATOR.
He co-wrote it.
Story by: David Franzoni
Screenplay by: John Logan, William Nicholson and David Franzoni
BR 2049 promo tour in Spain.
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Quote"To take Ridley Scott's universe and try to make it my own was a really big task for me," he said. As for Scott, the cinema legend gave Villeneuve what he described as the "biggest gift of all, which is freedom."
"He said, it's your movie. I'll be there if you need me, otherwise I'll be away," the director said. "And I must say he was not there physically, but I felt his presence all the time, because I was dealing with his universe all the time. So in a way he wasn't there, but he was there a lot at the same time."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/blade-runner-2049-director-says-he-made-peace-prospect-failure-1015019
QuoteVilleneuve pointed out to THR that Blade Runner star Harrison Ford actually had to approve him as director before the follow-up could proceed.
"When Ridley decided to make a sequel, the first thing he did was to ask Harrison if he would be interested, because it would have been impossible to make the movie without him," he said. "So I had to meet Harrison, and have a discussion about what I wanted to do with the movie, so he felt comfortable with me taking the wheel."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ryan-gosling-jack-black-tom-holland-add-star-power-sonys-cineeurope-presentation-1014749
New featurette!
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2049-featurette-reveals-stunning-new-footage-making-of-the-movie/
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 21, 2017, 05:44:43 PM
QuoteVilleneuve pointed out to THR that Blade Runner star Harrison Ford actually had to approve him as director before the follow-up could proceed.
"When Ridley decided to make a sequel, the first thing he did was to ask Harrison if he would be interested, because it would have been impossible to make the movie without him," he said. "So I had to meet Harrison, and have a discussion about what I wanted to do with the movie, so he felt comfortable with me taking the wheel."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ryan-gosling-jack-black-tom-holland-add-star-power-sonys-cineeurope-presentation-1014749
New featurette!
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2049-featurette-reveals-stunning-new-footage-making-of-the-movie/
wow the visuals shown in that featurette are absolutely stunning. Crazy how much of that are actual sets, i'm looking forward to this one.
Finally on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BUozYf9w0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BUozYf9w0Y)
Visually, tonally and musically it all looks perfect. But now let's see if the story is any good, not exactly Ridley's strong point anyway and seeing him having so much influence over this does make me a bit nervous considering the last Alien movie.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 22, 2017, 10:10:15 AM
Visually, tonally and musically it all looks perfect. But now let's see if the story is any good, not exactly Ridley's strong point anyway and seeing him having so much influence over this does make me a bit nervous considering the last Alien movie.
The director made it seem like he had a lot of freedom and that ridley was hardly around.
Is Deckard a replicant? More
BR sequels?
QuoteIGN: I was hoping we could start by talking a bit about your influences when making the original Blade Runner 35 years ago. Everyone knows how influential the film has been since its release, but can you talk about what influenced you?
Ridley Scott: Yeah, I mean -- you know, by the time I would start making movies, I was 40. I was a very, very successful commercial maker. So, you know, we were already pretty ingrained into it, New York, London, and the Far East. And so I traveled a lot, shooting everywhere, and I spent a bit of time shooting in Hong Kong before the first skyscraper ever was going up, the Bank of Hong Kong. So when I was in Hong Kong shooting, it was -- Christ, it was medieval, right? It was medieval meets technology. And medieval meets electronics. And they were making everything from cameras to sound stuff and selling it in their boxes and God knows what else. The junks in the harbor, when I was there, there had got to be 200 junks in the harbor.
And so it was an amazing environment, and that stuck in my mind. It kind of influenced me in that direction, in terms of what will the populace be in the time that Blade Runner's [set] in. It's not quite accurate, because 2017, we're nearly there. Well, we are there. And it's not Chinese at all. But there's a lot of mixed cultures ... But I think that's one of the big things about it, was also I was spending a lot of time going to New York. That particular moment in the '60s and '70s, I did a lot of commercials.
New York was always the city of overload. I thought it was smelly, dirty, and grungy. And therefore I didn't love it, but I figured it represented what we called retro-architecture. So mate, how the f#@k are you gonna clean these buildings? How do you clean the windows? It's impossible. So that became the backdrop of how the exterior, the world of Blade Runner, evolved, because originally the script that Hampton Fancher wrote was very, very good, [but] very much written as a lower budget film. Very much internalized and interiorized. It told [the story] in apartments where the one party would go out and return, and I said, "You know, what you're proposing in the story, you've got to go outside and see the world. See what that is." So from that point on, I've never worked so much in all my life with a writer, the writer Hampton. And actually, it's probably one of the best experiences I've had with a writer. We worked for five bloody months on it, almost every day going through it, going through what we went through yesterday, and gradually he evolved it. So, in a funny kind of way, it was a very nice marriage of a very clever writer and a very visual director. So it was nice. It was one of my better experiences, I would say.
IGN: Is that why, as a producer on the sequel, you brought Fancher back?
RS: Immediately, I talked to him on the phone and he went, "Oh, s#!t, not again." He still walks the walk, talks the talk. And from our first meeting, which was about a week and a bit, we formed a very nice, almost a 100-page novella, which tells the whole story of where we will be today. It's good. Very nice.
IGN: Can we talk about the sort of blending of genres in the original? You know, obviously it's a sci-fi movie, but then you have that film noir aspect to it, which I'm assuming was part of the script before you came onboard. You also leaned into that visually.
RS: Yeah, the hunter falls in love with his quarry. And from that, this quarry is in a world of, you know, Philip K. Dick where they have very expensive things like very expensive jewelry, like with a digital, mechanized, beautiful jeweled snake that works. You can have a sheep in your house. Very weird choices. But interesting. So it's about a world of extremes, and I said if we've got this, we've got to go outside and see what the hell it's like outside, so that's how it evolved.
IGN: In planning the sequel, how much did you want to call back to the original film in terms of visuals? How did you find that line between sticking to the look of the original but also not just rehashing it?
RS: Well, that's always the challenge. So I knew what the sequel could be because, having made the first one, I used to sit and think [how] there's a very obvious choice. And that choice always sat there, and at one stage I'd gone to somebody else saying, "We should actually do this." And they said, "Well, we think the first one should be left alone because it worked." I said, "Well, I think you've got another way to go with this thing." And eventually our contract got bought. But in buying it, they asked me first, "Is there a story?" So I was able to say, "Of course there is."
IGN: At what point while making the original film did you decide that Deckard would be a Replicant?
RS: Oh, it was always my thesis theory. It was one or two people who were relevant were... I can't remember if Hampton agreed with me or not. But I remember someone had said, "Well, isn't it corny?" I said, "Listen, I'll be the best f#@king judge of that. I'm the director, okay?" So, and that, you learn -- you know, by then I'm 44, so I'm no f#@king chicken. I'm a very experienced director from commercials and The Duellists and Alien. So, I'm able to, you know, answer that with confidence at the time, and say, "You know, back off, it's what it's gonna be." Harrison, he was never -- I don't remember, actually. I think Harrison was going, "Uh, I don't know about that." I said, "But you have to be, because Gaff, who leaves a trail of origami everywhere, will leave you a little piece of origami at the end of the movie to say, 'I've been here, I left her alive, and I can't resist letting you know what's in your most private thoughts when you get drunk is a f#@king unicorn!'" Right? So, I love Beavis and Butthead, so what should follow that is "Duh." So now it will be revealed [in the sequel], one way or the other.
IGN: Now, we know there had been talk about doing a sequel for years and years and years, and that didn't happen for whatever reason. Can you talk a little bit about how 2049 lines up with those original ideas that you had for a sequel back when?
RS: Well, the film didn't play very well, and what happened was it grew like a monster with a fan base. It really started to evolve big-time with MTV. Right, there were a lot of rock videos and I thought, "Jesus, they're running Blade Runner." Now, we heard that Blade Runner was infecting all the rock video directors, and the bands. So I knew it was starting there, which, you know, amused me, because I thought, "What the f#@k, I know the film is good, so, what the hell, right?"
So then Alcon [Entertainment] wisely bought it. ... And so we then sat -- this script, honestly, one way or another between Hampton and [co-writer] Michael Green, for probably almost 18 months of work.
IGN: Is it possible that 2049 could be, as you've done with the Alien series recently, building out a bigger world beyond just one movie? Have you thought about Blade Runner in those terms?
RS: Yes. I think that, you know what, George has always proved that. Of course there's always something. George Lucas. You know, and the way he's handled Star Wars has been spectacular. It's what I've been trying to do to really evolve Alien, because in those days I wasn't into making sequels, but now suddenly you realize, "Well, that's stupid." I'll use the word "duh" again, right? You'd better get into sequels, duh. So that's in a way what I've been doing.
IGN: Could Alien and Blade Runner exist in the same universe?
RS: Well, I think if Alien is in the air, Blade Runner is on Earth. And probably is a very good reason why you wanna leave Earth.
IGN: What do you see as the lasting impact of the original Blade Runner?
RS: It's a social event, I think. Because, at the time, which taught me never to read your own press again -- I've never read press since Blade Runner. Not because it's misguiding, if you get great press you think you own the universe, and you don't. And if it's bad press, you think you've f#@ked up. And, you've got to have your own judgement call on what you've just done. It's a bit like being an author or a better example is a painter. You're on your own, Jack, and you'd better have your own opinions. You can't listen to what people say. Unless you're f#@king nuts, and then you won't actually ever get to do another movie. You have to be inordinately responsible and sensible as I am -- ha ha. I am, I'm very responsible to investors and the partners I have. When I make a movie, I'm always very keen to be on budget and do it right.
IGN: Have you watched films over the years and been like, "They're ripping off Blade Runner or Alien"?
RS: Yeah.
IGN: Is that the kind of thing that rubs you the wrong way, or are you honored by that in a way?
RS: No, you ... a little bit of each. A little bit of irritation initially, and then kind of honored, and then what the f#@k.
IGN: Was there ever any fear about doing a sequel? That in some way you could somehow impact the original in a negative way perhaps?
RS: No, I think the original was so good, really, and so long ago, I don't really care. But I can say now that I think it's a really good film, and it's stood the test of time. Because I'm very much a part of the new script, we even took the opening of the film and that's how I was gonna open the original film. And I was sitting with Hampton and said, "Remember that thing we did with blah-blah-blah-blah-blah?" He said, "Yeah." That's how we began our conversation.
IGN: Oh, interesting. I think I might know what that is, too. I think we see a glimpse of that in the trailer, don't we?
RS: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
IGN: Can we just talk a little bit about bringing Ryan into the Blade Runner universe?
RS: Well, that was more coincidental. I, occasionally, from time to time, will do generals with actors that you admire, actresses that you admire. You know, it's usually a cup of coffee, sit down and shoot the crap, and just chat. And then agree to try and find something. So I met with Ryan, who was, oh, honestly, two years ago. Two and a half years ago. And we talked about that because it's one of his favorite films. He said, "Is there gonna be another one?" I said, "Well, oddly enough, there might be." This was almost two and a half years ago, right? So he was already kind of in there, and I said to Alcon, "I talked to him, take this guy very f#@king seriously."
IGN: Okay, last question then for you, Mr. Scott. If you had to choose one or the other, Blade Runner or Alien, do you have a favorite between the two?
RS: No, they're all my favorite children. I have no regrets about any films that I've done, you know. Part of that is fixing it before it goes out, and have no regrets. Big or small, I love doing them.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/06/22/blade-runner-turns-35-ridley-scott-discusses-the-films-legacy-deckards-true-nature-and-the-future-of-the-series?page=2
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https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/883144245967585281 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/883144245967585281)
QuoteAlcon Entertainment is offering the Blade Runner 2049 Experience at Comic-Con, allowing attendees a chance to see the vehicles and props from the film firsthand, as well as experience an Oculus VR presentation of the world of Los Angeles in 2049.
The Blade Runner 2049 Experience will be located at San Diego's "famed" Gaslamp Quarter and will be open to the public from Thursday, July 20, to Sunday, July 23.
The Blade Runner 2049 Experience will take guests through a gallery of art from the film, before they're given an Oculus VR to fully take them into the world of Blade Runner. When the VR presentation ends, guests walk through the replica of a dim, neon-lit Los Angeles street where they are "prepared to experience what our potential future holds," such as given impromptu tests to determine whether they are human or replicant.
Guests can see props, costumes, and vehicles from the film, with actors dressed in Blade Runner-style clothes milling about in the crowd. The actual Spinner vehicle from the upcoming film will also be on display. Fans also have a chance to win giveaways or other surprises.
Not overly excited to weather an overstuffed crowd of sweaty people? The Blade Runner 2049 Experience are also offering libations for fans who need some liquid courage — and who really want to taste that futuristic Johnnie Walker whisky that Deckard chugged in the first Blade Runner. The experience is offering a limited-edition Johnnie Walker Black Label The Director's Cut bottle, inspired by the original prop from the first film that is near-impossible to find.
The Blade Runner 2049 Experience will be located across the street from the Convention Center where Comic-Con is taking place. The experience is open from 10 a.m. – 7 p.m. on Thursday and Friday; 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. on Saturday; and 10 a.m. – 6 p.m. on Sunday. Admission is free, but guests will have to register to enter at a specific appointment time or choose to wait in line.
http://www.slashfilm.com/get-the-blade-runner-2049-experience-at-comic-con/
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I hope this is good. So far, I'm very interested to see it and it looks great, but it's giving me a lot of Tron: Legacy vibes. Hey, it's several years later, and the guy in the first one is back - and he's old!!! Hopefully this fares better then Legacy did.
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https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/884567634397642752
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 11, 2017, 03:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/884567634397642752
Heh, Gosling is back in the LA river. Deckard will ask him if he's a real hero and a real human being next. :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 11, 2017, 04:01:01 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 11, 2017, 03:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/884567634397642752
Heh, Gosling is back in the LA river. Deckard will ask him if he's a real hero and a real human being next. :laugh:
DRIVE is a masterpiece.
I found bigger one. Roger deserves Oscar.
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The costume designer did an excellent job with Fords shirt. Elegant, timeless, pure --
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 11, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
The costume designer did an excellent job with Fords shirt. Elegant, timeless, pure --
What would you like him to wear? As far as we know he lives only with his dog. It's just a t-shirt, and t-shirts are timeless.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 11, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 11, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
The costume designer did an excellent job with Fords shirt. Elegant, timeless, pure --
What would you like him to wear? As far as we know he lives only with his dog. It's just a t-shirt, and t-shirts are timeless.
Well, i really liked Deckards shirts/tie in the original.
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Oh yes he got one in 2049 too, a dark grey one. :laugh:
I just think Villeneuve shouldnt overdo his minimalistic approach. Blade Runner did always stand for a more flamboyant style. Im totally fine with the director bringing his own game, but theres a line where one could get the impression things were forced due to to the taste of the persons responsible. Im not saying thats definitely the case with the grey t-shirt though. Its more like another symptom for me, yet im still confident Villeneuve can pull off something unique here.
How many times Roger Deakins lost at the Oscars?.
12? I don't remember.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 11, 2017, 05:57:59 PM
How many times Roger Deakins lost at the Oscars?.
12? I don't remember.
And i dont think he will get a fair chance with this film. Too much CGI for the hackademy. :-[
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 11, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
Well, i really liked Deckards shirts/tie in the original.
Yeah, I like it too. But I also like K's jacket :)
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The last picture. This is it!
Quote"The climate has gone berserk and the ecosystem has collapsed and the ocean has risen," Villeneuve says. "There are a lot of refugees trying to survive on the West Coast... The presence of the winter brings more charcoal and there's sparks of color. The yellow is something I can't talk about, but...it's a very important color."
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-new-images-roger-deakins/#ryan-gosling
Interestingly, Dredd also had that particular shade of yellow appearing in almost every shot throughout the film. Sometimes it was just yellow plastic garbage bags, other times it was yellow coloured lights or on t-shirts or whatever.
I think that yellow colour has something to do with ... lack of sun light in BR universe. Just a felling.
Should be getting a new trailer soon.
Blade Runner 2049 (trailer #4) PG Jul 14, 2017 2:25 Paramount Pictures
https://twitter.com/RyanGosling/status/886629373775826944
New Trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZOaI_Fn5o4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZOaI_Fn5o4)
Can't wait to see this!!
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
Few years Scott ago revealed the opening shot of 2049, which is based on the original opening that was scrapped from the 1982 sci-fi film.
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QuoteWe decided to start the film off with the original starting block of the original film. We always loved the idea of a dystopian universe, and we start off at what I describe as a 'factory farm' – what would be a flat land with farming. Wyoming. Flat, not rolling – you can see for 20 miles. No fences, just plowed, dry dirt. Turn around and you see a massive tree, just dead, but the tree is being supported and kept alive by wires that are holding the tree up. It's a bit like Grapes of Wrath, there's dust, and the tree is still standing. By that tree is a traditional, Grapes of Wrath-type white cottage with a porch. Behind it at a distance of two miles, in the twilight, is this massive combine harvester that's fertilizing this ground. You've got 16 Klieg lights on the front, and this combine is four times the size of this cottage. And now a spinner [a flying car] comes flying in, creating dust. Of course, traditionally chased by a dog that barks, the doors open, a guy gets out and there you've got Rick Deckard. He walks in the cottage, opens the door, sits down, smells stew, sits down and waits for the guy to pull up to the house to arrive. The guy's seen him, so the guy pulls the combine behind the cottage and it towers three stories above it, and the man climbs down from a ladder – a big man. He steps onto the balcony and he goes to Harrison's side. The cottage actually [creaks]; this guy's got to be 350 pounds. I'm not going to say anything else – you'll have to go see the movie.
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2-opening/
You can see a bit more of this unused opening scene at the start of the new trailer. It's from one of Fancher's earlier drafts and it's the bit with Dave Bautista - you can see the bubbling pot of stew as well as the dead tree and factory farm which we also saw in the first trailer.
In the original version, Deckard slots the guy and pulls out his jawbone on which there is an inscription identifying him as an "android". This was of course before David Peoples introduced the concept of "replicants" who aren't so easily identifiable.
Too much action in this new trailer.
It looks like an action version of the Ridley Scott masterpiece.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 17, 2017, 04:07:29 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
Few years Scott ago revealed the opening shot of 2049, which is based on the original opening that was scrapped from the 1982 sci-fi film.
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QuoteWe decided to start the film off with the original starting block of the original film. We always loved the idea of a dystopian universe, and we start off at what I describe as a 'factory farm' – what would be a flat land with farming. Wyoming. Flat, not rolling – you can see for 20 miles. No fences, just plowed, dry dirt. Turn around and you see a massive tree, just dead, but the tree is being supported and kept alive by wires that are holding the tree up. It's a bit like Grapes of Wrath, there's dust, and the tree is still standing. By that tree is a traditional, Grapes of Wrath-type white cottage with a porch. Behind it at a distance of two miles, in the twilight, is this massive combine harvester that's fertilizing this ground. You've got 16 Klieg lights on the front, and this combine is four times the size of this cottage. And now a spinner [a flying car] comes flying in, creating dust. Of course, traditionally chased by a dog that barks, the doors open, a guy gets out and there you've got Rick Deckard. He walks in the cottage, opens the door, sits down, smells stew, sits down and waits for the guy to pull up to the house to arrive. The guy's seen him, so the guy pulls the combine behind the cottage and it towers three stories above it, and the man climbs down from a ladder – a big man. He steps onto the balcony and he goes to Harrison's side. The cottage actually [creaks]; this guy's got to be 350 pounds. I'm not going to say anything else – you'll have to go see the movie.
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2-opening/
You can see a bit more of this unused opening scene at the start of the new trailer. It's from one of Fancher's earlier drafts and it's the bit with Dave Bautista - you can see the bubbling pot of stew as well as the dead tree and factory farm which we also saw in the first trailer.
In the original version, Deckard slots the guy and pulls out his jawbone on which there is an inscription identifying him as an "android". This was of course before David Peoples introduced the concept of "replicants" who aren't so easily identifiable.
Yeah. That's the scene. Trailer is a bit spoilery for BR maniacs because we already know that:
Spoiler
It's beginning of the movie and Bautista plays replicant (we can see his statue inside corporation building). K will kill him.
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Mh mixed feelings for me i think. I kinda miss 1-2 iconic shots. The inside of the pyramid (?) looks quite minimalistic, the wide shots of the city/wall a bit too CGIish for my taste, does anyone know about the budget?
And i kinda hope the film is not that fast paced and action packed as the trailer suggests.
Full trailer analysis:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-that-can-be-gleaned-from-the-new-blade-runne-1796986630
Also, I like this gun!
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6 (or 16) - 10 - 21
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The fact that Gosling's character is named K just makes me wonder if he'll turn out to be a Kryptonian teddy bear. :laugh:
Legitimately excited now.
You know, it'll be pretty funny if this film is a critical and commercial failure, but gradually builds up a cult following on home video until it is re-appraised ten years later in the form of a new Director's Cut and then hailed as a science fiction classic and a seminal influence on everything that came after it. :P
Blade Runner 2049: Replicant Pursuit, coming to Gear VR on July 21 and debuts at Comic-Con.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orwPxhDM8qI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orwPxhDM8qI)
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https://www.oculus.com/blog/blade-runner-2049-replicant-pursuit-debuts-at-comic-con/
From the BR 2049 experience @ SDCC2017
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*spoilered for post length brevity. Doesn't contain actual spoilers.
Way cool!
Denis Villeneuve:
QuoteThe first thing they did was to approach Ridley, of course. They said, 'We are able to do it, and we'd love to do it with you.' And Ridley came back to them, after 15 minutes, and said, 'Fly to London now!'
So they met with Ridley, and Ridley had a lot of ideas. Because the thing is, when he did the first original Blade Runner, what he told me is that he had the desire to follow Deckard on other stories. This was a universe that was open. You had a detective living in the future. This was not the intention to be just one movie. The desire was there. It's just that so much shit that happened on the first movie that it froze there. He thought it was dead.
So they went to Ridley and they went to [screenwriter] Hampton Fancher and both of them had the idea to do a sequel that excited a lot of people, and as soon as they got the idea, they phoned Harrison. I think, at the early stage of screenwriting, they asked him. Because, without Harrison, there was no movie. And Harrison said yes, so they developed the script. Harrison was there before me. I didn't [cast] Harrison. I had to be approved by Harrison. That's a different thing, you know? [Laughs] When I agreed to make the screenplay, I needed to meet Ridley, to hear from his own voice that he wanted me to do this. And then I had to meet Harrison. To be scanned by Harrison to make sure that I was Harrison Ford approved.
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1683899/how-blade-runner-2049-convinced-harrison-ford-to-return
https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/887891540944723968 (https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/887891540944723968)
QuoteToday's Comic Con Panel further assuaged my doubts, taking me one step closer to embracing my inner Blade Runner 2049. Filmmaker Denis Villeneuve, writers Hampton Fancher & Michael Green, and the entire cast (Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford, Ana de Armas, Sylvia Hoeks, Robin Wright, Lennie James, and Mackenzie Davis) took to Hall H to preview exclusive footage from the sequel. Below are the bullet point highlights.
Jared Leto speaks as a hologram, saying how much he loves Blade Runner and how important the film was to him. Hologram Leto creeps me out (especially the hot pink pants he's wearing). Leto hologram disappears in a cloud of smoke a la a 90s effect.
Per Villeneuve – he took the job on the Blade Runner sequel because he "didn't want anybody else to f**k it up." Blade Runner was the birth of his desire to become a filmmaker
Why did Harrison Ford come back? Per Ford: "We had a really good script based on a really good idea. It deepened the understanding of my character... It had great depth."
Gosling on Blade Runner – "It was one of the first films where it wasn't clear how I was supposed to feel when it was over." So being part of the sequel was like being a part of The Avengers team.
They roll a new clip from 2049. Spoiler
Gosling walks down a hallway in replicant-creation headquarters. He's led by a female replicant. He's taken to what appears to be the oddest archive room imaginable, bare, metallic and wide open. The female replicant takes out an a clear orb that looks almost like an eyeball and inserts it into a futuristic computer, playing archive footage – labeled as 'The Tyrell Archives'. The old footage is of Deckard – garbled voice, close up shots of his eye. He asks the female replicant about the footage. She responds, "It's invigorating being asked questions. It makes me feel desired." She then asks Gosling if he enjoys his job. Gosling stares blankly at her and doesn't answer her question. The footage looks icy and cold – but beautiful. It definitely feels of piece with Ridley Scott's original film.
Panel ends with the best question of the day: Is it Harrison Ford's goal to reboot every single one of his franchises? Ford – "You bet your ass it is!"
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-sdcc-panel-recap/#images
QuoteAs part of our ongoing coverage of San Diego Comic-Con, Steve Weintraub had a chance to chat with Blade Runner 2049 director Denis Villeneuve in advance of his highly anticipated sci-fi sequel's debut. The Oscar-nominated director is currently working on the final edit of the film and will be doing so until the end of August or early September. Though the ultimate runtime could change, Villeneuve confirmed that the current cut comes in at 2 hours and 30 minutes. Plan accordingly!
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-running-time/#images-posters
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/888841744535568384 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/888841744535568384)
New website!
http://roadto2049.bladerunnermovie.com/
(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11F5C/production/_97046537_266f1e90-c960-49a0-9b8f-02269a3e6b96.jpg)
A hologram of Jared Leto introduced the panel.
QuoteDenis Villeneuve has revealed he originally wanted to cast David Bowie in 'Blade Runner 2049' but turned to Jared Leto when the rocker passed away
'Blade Runner 2049' bosses wanted David Bowie to star in the film.
The highly-anticipated sequel will see Jared Leto in the role of Neander Wallace, but director Denis Villeneuve admitted his first choice was the late 'Jean Genie' hitmaker, but when the iconic singer passed away from cancer in January 2016, he was forced to look for someone else with similar rock star qualities.
Denis said: "Our first thought [for the character] had been David Bowie, who had influenced 'Blade Runner' in many ways. When we learned the sad news, we looked around for someone like that."
However,, no one else was even considered for Ryan Gosling's Officer K.
Denis said: "The part was written for Ryan right from the start. He was perfect."
Harrison Ford returns to the movie as Rick Deckard and despite famously clashing with franchise creator Sir Ridley Scott, he insists he still has a lot of respect for the veteran filmmaker, but admitted he had a "very different" experience working with Denis.
He said:" Ridley and I have long made our peace with each other. Whatever the circumstances were during the original film, I have great respect for Ridley and admiration for his work.
"Of the 50-day schedule [on the original], 35 were nights. Which is a brutal regimen. Anyway, Denis is a very different kind of director...
"Denis brings enormous craftsmanship, cogent thoughts about storytelling. He is very direct and straightforward with the actors on the set. He either deeply loves it or thinks it is dog do."
As for the filmmaker, he only agreed to step in once Ridley had to depart the project because of other commitments if he could get the director's blessing to trust him with his vision for the film.
He told Empire magazine: "I had to have Ridley out of the way. Otherwise you feel like a vandal in someone else's building. This movie had to be faithful to the poetry of the first movie, but have its own identity. Thankfully, he gave me full freedom."
https://www.list.co.uk/article/93362-david-bowie-was-wanted-for-blade-runner-2049/
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 22, 2017, 08:21:40 AM
Denis Villeneuve:
QuoteThe first thing they did was to approach Ridley, of course. They said, 'We are able to do it, and we'd love to do it with you.' And Ridley came back to them, after 15 minutes, and said, 'Fly to London now!'
So they met with Ridley, and Ridley had a lot of ideas. Because the thing is, when he did the first original Blade Runner, what he told me is that he had the desire to follow Deckard on other stories. This was a universe that was open. You had a detective living in the future. This was not the intention to be just one movie. The desire was there. It's just that so much shit that happened on the first movie that it froze there. He thought it was dead.
So they went to Ridley and they went to [screenwriter] Hampton Fancher and both of them had the idea to do a sequel that excited a lot of people, and as soon as they got the idea, they phoned Harrison. I think, at the early stage of screenwriting, they asked him. Because, without Harrison, there was no movie. And Harrison said yes, so they developed the script. Harrison was there before me. I didn't [cast] Harrison. I had to be approved by Harrison. That's a different thing, you know? [Laughs] When I agreed to make the screenplay, I needed to meet Ridley, to hear from his own voice that he wanted me to do this. And then I had to meet Harrison. To be scanned by Harrison to make sure that I was Harrison Ford approved.
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1683899/how-blade-runner-2049-convinced-harrison-ford-to-return
https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/887891540944723968 (https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/887891540944723968)
QuoteToday's Comic Con Panel further assuaged my doubts, taking me one step closer to embracing my inner Blade Runner 2049. Filmmaker Denis Villeneuve, writers Hampton Fancher & Michael Green, and the entire cast (Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford, Ana de Armas, Sylvia Hoeks, Robin Wright, Lennie James, and Mackenzie Davis) took to Hall H to preview exclusive footage from the sequel. Below are the bullet point highlights.
Jared Leto speaks as a hologram, saying how much he loves Blade Runner and how important the film was to him. Hologram Leto creeps me out (especially the hot pink pants he's wearing). Leto hologram disappears in a cloud of smoke a la a 90s effect.
Per Villeneuve – he took the job on the Blade Runner sequel because he "didn't want anybody else to f**k it up." Blade Runner was the birth of his desire to become a filmmaker
Why did Harrison Ford come back? Per Ford: "We had a really good script based on a really good idea. It deepened the understanding of my character... It had great depth."
Gosling on Blade Runner – "It was one of the first films where it wasn't clear how I was supposed to feel when it was over." So being part of the sequel was like being a part of The Avengers team.
They roll a new clip from 2049. Spoiler
Gosling walks down a hallway in replicant-creation headquarters. He's led by a female replicant. He's taken to what appears to be the oddest archive room imaginable, bare, metallic and wide open. The female replicant takes out an a clear orb that looks almost like an eyeball and inserts it into a futuristic computer, playing archive footage – labeled as 'The Tyrell Archives'. The old footage is of Deckard – garbled voice, close up shots of his eye. He asks the female replicant about the footage. She responds, "It's invigorating being asked questions. It makes me feel desired." She then asks Gosling if he enjoys his job. Gosling stares blankly at her and doesn't answer her question. The footage looks icy and cold – but beautiful. It definitely feels of piece with Ridley Scott's original film.
Panel ends with the best question of the day: Is it Harrison Ford's goal to reboot every single one of his franchises? Ford – "You bet your ass it is!"
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-sdcc-panel-recap/#images
QuoteAs part of our ongoing coverage of San Diego Comic-Con, Steve Weintraub had a chance to chat with Blade Runner 2049 director Denis Villeneuve in advance of his highly anticipated sci-fi sequel's debut. The Oscar-nominated director is currently working on the final edit of the film and will be doing so until the end of August or early September. Though the ultimate runtime could change, Villeneuve confirmed that the current cut comes in at 2 hours and 30 minutes. Plan accordingly!
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-running-time/#images-posters
https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/888841744535568384 (https://twitter.com/bladerunner/status/888841744535568384)
New website!
http://roadto2049.bladerunnermovie.com/
(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11F5C/production/_97046537_266f1e90-c960-49a0-9b8f-02269a3e6b96.jpg)
A hologram of Jared Leto introduced the panel.
All praise Kenny Loggins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNZ4z4fjVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNZ4z4fjVg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ITXvr62E1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ITXvr62E1w)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMTtWdTBt7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMTtWdTBt7M)
Bridge between
BR and
BR2049.
Potential Spoilers!
Quote2020
After the death of founder Eldon Tyrell, the Tyrell Corporation rushes a new line of Nexus 8 Replicants onto market for use Off-world. Unlike previous Nexus models, built with 4-year lifespans, the Nexus 8s have open-ended lifespans, as well as ocular implants for easy identification.
2022
The Blackout
An EMP of unknown origin detonates somewhere in the West Coast. Cities shut down for weeks. Electronic data is corrupted or destroyed over most of the Unites States. Finance and trade markets crash worldwide. Food supplies become dire. Theories spread as to the cause of the Blackout; none are proven. The most popular blame Replicants.
2023
Replcant Prohibition
The governing authorities legislate an indefinite "prohibition" on replicant production. Nexus 6 models are now all decommissioned due to their programmed 4-year lifespans. Surviving Nexus 8 models are to be retired. Those that can, go into hiding.
2025
Idealistic scientist Niander Wallace pioneers advancements in genetically modified food and shares his patents for free, marking an end to a global crisis. His company, Wallace Corporation, E&C, expands across the globe – and into the Off-world colonies.
2028
Niander Wallace acquires the remains of the bankrupt Tyrell Corporation.
2030s
Niander Wallace improves upon Tyrell's genetic engineering and memory implantation methods to make Replicants obedient and controllable.
2036
Prohibition is repealed. Wallace reintroduces a new line of "perfected" Replicants – The Nexus 9.
Early 2040s
The LAPD commits additional resources to bolster its existing Blade Runner unit, tasked with locating illegal Replicants – and retiring them.
2048
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2049
When we return to Los Angeles, 30 years after the original movie, climate change has caused the sea level to rise dramatically. A massive Sea Wall has been built along the Sepulveda Pass to protect the Los Angeles basin. Los Angeles is even more uninhabitable than before and filled poverty and sickness. Humans, who were not well enough to leave for the off-world colonies, are left behind. There is no fresh food, and inhabitants survive on Wallace's genetically modified food products sold from vending machines at street markets.
From: http://roadto2049.bladerunnermovie.com/
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 24, 2017, 10:09:58 AM
When we return to Los Angeles, 30 years after the original movie, climate change has caused the sea level to rise dramatically. A massive Sea Wall has been built along the Sepulveda Pass to protect the Los Angeles basin.
I guess that is what we saw in that lovely shot of Deckard and K by the water edge. Not the LA river.
And some more BR 2049 props from SDCC2017:
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Why bother hiring Gosling. The mannequin shows the same range when it comes to facial expression. ::)
One for you Ingwar:
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Available at selected stores in September.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 25, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
One for you Ingwar:
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Available at selected stores in September.
Hah! Thanks Eight, might even buy it :)
QuoteBlade Runner is a fan favorite film with a huge following. It has inspired and influenced numerous sci-fi films since its release in 1982. There have been numerous discussions over the years about a sequel, but due to an issue with the rights, one was never able to be made, until now. With Ridley Scott's blessing Denis Villeneuve took on directing Blade Runner 2049. While trying to remain true to the original, he created this new film for a new generation.
Denis Villeneuve: I'm not used to talking to the press when I'm doing a movie, I'm used to starting to have a conversation once you guys have seen the movie. If you like or not, then there's a start there. Now, it's a bit strange.
What gave you the confidence to do a sequel to a movie that is so beloved. What reassured you about this project?
Denis Villeneuve: Three things. First of all I had the Ridley Scott blessing. That's the first thing I asked once I said yes. I said I would do it but there was some condition. And the first one is to make sure and to be in front of him looking at him, looking him in the eyes, having him say, "Yeah you can do it." The second thing is the screenplay I felt had strong ideas in it. I'm not saying it was a perfect screenplay. I'm just saying that I felt I understood why Ridley felt there was the potential to do a strong movie there. And the third thing is I felt that I've been to a lot of movies in my life, like sci-fi big [movies], but I always said to myself it's dangerous to do big movies because there's a lot of things...there's a lot of pressure when you make those big movies. And I said to myself, "If I do it one day I will do it for something that is really worth it. That's something really meaningful artistically for me." And this movie is one of my favorite movies. And you know, I said to myself, "OK, they will do it, no matter what we think, the studio will move forward and will make it." And I said to myself, "OK, I know at least, I don't know if I will succeed, but I know I will give it all my love and all my skills, I will work so hard." I didn't want it to fall into the hands of someone who will... I said, "At least I will be passionate about it and I will give my blood to make sure that it respects the spirit of the first movie." That's why it was a bit irregular, at least, I was very afraid to see a sequel of Blade Runner. And I said, "At least if I do it, I have some control over it." I said, "At least I can blame only myself."
You got a powerhouse cast for this film. How important for you was it to get the people that you got for the film?
Denis Villeneuve: Any movies, it is always strong, one of the most important parts of the film process is casting. I mean you need strong actors, and that's the thing, that you know I'm a very different director than Ridley Scott but that's a thing that both of us have in common. We always aim for excellence with the actors in our casting. And it's like there is no compromise. And it's like the casting I've done is like, one thing I'm sure of is that the performances in the movie are very strong. Very strong. Because I had the chance to do a massive casting around the world, I chose among the best working, young actors. Because one thing I love in the screenplay is that there's a lot of strong female parts. Like the femininity is very important in the second movie, it wasn't in the first movie. That's why I had the pleasure to meet actors that are sometimes well known in their own countries but less known in America. Sometimes like Slyvia Hoeks and Ana de Armas and Carla Juri and there is Mackenzie Davis also that is from Canada. But those young actresses are strong artists and they brought a lot to the movie. But it was a long casting process.
Who's the secret weapon, do you think, of your cast?
Denis Villeneuve: I would say that those four young actresses are the secret weapon. I would say that the way I feel is great excitement. I would say that the four of them are, for different reasons, are like the movie's secret weapon.
If you didn't have Harrison would it have fallen apart?
Denis Villeneuve: It was the other way around. Harrison was there before me. The birth of the project was the producers from Alcon that were able to unfreeze the rights. Which was honestly, I think it was like, a master...a high skill negotiation to get the rights back to life. It was like they unfroze something that was very difficult. And the thing they did was they approached Ridley of course, to say, "Ridley, it's something we are able to do. So we'd like to do it with you." And Ridley I think came back to them after 15 minutes and said, "Fly to London, NOW." So they met with Ridley and Ridley had a lot of ideas, because the thing is that at the birth of the project when he did the first original Blade Runner, what he told me, is that they had the desire to follow the characters in different stories. It was a universe that was open. You know you have a detective early in the future. It wasn't necessarily intended to be one movie. The desire was there, it's just that there was so much that happened with the first movie that it froze there and he thought it was dead.
But where I'm going, they went to Ridley and they went to Hampton Fancher and both of them had an idea to do a sequel. That excited everybody. And the first thing they did once they got the idea is they phoned Harrison. At the early stage of screenwriting they were asking because without Harrison there was no movie. And Harrison said, "Yes." So Harrison was there before me. I didn't go to Harrison, I had to be approved by Harrison. That's the thing, you know? Once I agreed to write the screenplay, for me, I had to meet Ridley to hear from his own voice that he wanted me to do this. And then I had to meet Harrison. To be scanned by Harrison to make sure I would be Harrison Ford approved.
One of the things about the first Blade Runner movie is that it kind of popularized this future shock vision of cyber punk, right? And the aesthetic imprint of it is all over the place now and people are familiar with a Blade Runner-esque vision of the future. Can you talk about some ways aesthetically that you want to surprise people again.
Denis Villeneuve: You're putting your finger in the soft spot. You're right. Is it the soft spot or the painful spot? One of the big challenges...the idea is like it's been a movie that has been so much cut and pasted through the years, I mean the influence, I mean sci-fi, all the movies, even Star Wars, all the movies are influenced by Blade Runner. So how can you go back to something that is so original after that became a landmark? So that was a long process to find the keys, the keys were in the screenplay, and the ideas of Hampton about the way climate evolved. So it basically, climate for me was a key. Because the climate means different kinds of light. That was something I felt, that Roger Deakins, we explored those ideas and we came back with something that we feel is deeply inspired by the first movie, but it's slightly different. Let's say that the first movie was made by a director that was born in England under the rain and the second was made by a Canadian director who was born in the snow. I saw the light as different. There's things that it involved, it was difficult, it took a lot of work, a lot of work to try to extend, to project the universe into the future. And try to find something I hope will have some kind of freshness.
You mentioned trying to stay with the spirit of Blade Runner. I'm curious what about the original you wanted to preserve.
Denis Villeneuve: There was a [?] color in the first movie that was a nostalgic feeling. A loneliness. A feeling of existential doubt about a kind of, an inner paranoia about yourself, that I wanted to keep alive in the second movie. I wanted to keep the film noir aesthetic as well. Very important. And a certain kind of pacing too. Honestly, I deeply love the first movie and I tried to adapt it to today's rhythm of movies, but I still tried my best to keep that tension alive, that pacing of the first movie. Which, I know, Ridley told me that it touched him because I was able to stay in relationship with that first movie, that atmospheric quality that first movie had.
There are multiple versions, multiple edits, of the original. Did that have any bearing on which movie you were doing a sequel to? Did you look at different variations and decide which you were starting from?
Denis Villeneuve: That's a good question. The thing is that I was raised with the first one. Like for me, there was one Blade Runner. And I think at the time there was no internet. There was no cuts. I remember seeing the first movie, falling deeply in love with it, and it became for me an instant classic. And me and my friends were deeply in love with the first one. And I remember a few months later reading a review of the movie that was very bad. And I became so angry because I felt that the critic was all wrong. Because he felt that the adaptation of the Philip K. Dick novel was not right. At the time I totally disagreed. I was raised with the first one and then later on discovered what was the original dream of Ridley. So I really love the latest version too.
The thing is that the key to make this movie was to be in between. Because the first movie is the story of a human falling in love with a designed human being, artificial being. The story of the second movie is a replicant that doesn't know he's a replicant, and that slowly discovers his own identity. So those are two different stories. I felt the key to dealing with that was in the original, in the novel of Philip K. Dick, which was, in the novel the characters are doubting about themselves. They are not sure if they are replicants or not. They are like, from time to time the detectives are having a [?] on themselves to make sure they are humans. So I decided that the movie I like the idea that Deckard is unsure, as we are, of what his identity is. I love it because I love mystery. That's the interesting thing for me, not knowing if he is or not is to doubt. I really love it. But I'm saying again, Harrison and Ridley are still arguing about that. If you put them in the same room they don't agree. And they start to talk very loud. So I sat in the middle, I said, "Well?"
You mentioned that you are pulling more in this movie from the original novel. Would you say that in some ways your sequel is a little bit truer to the original novel itself than the original one?
Denis Villeneuve: No. I would not go there. No, no. No, no. I think that it's a movie that has its main source of inspiration is Blade Runner the Ridley Scott movie. It has, I feel, some little elements that are a wink to Philip K. Dick, but I wouldn't try to say that. That's why I'd rather you'd seen the movie, that way you can have your own reaction, to say "Yes" or "No."
There's a lot of secrecy surrounding this one. More than any other movie you've worked on?
Denis Villeneuve: It is insane. At one point I was talking to someone in my crew and I said, "Oh, you didn't read the screenplay?" It's like one of those movies that is designed in total secrecy. Like Star Wars movies or James Bond. The level, because of the pressure of the internet, if there is a little spoiler it goes viral. There's like an appetite to spoil the movies that...
Do you enjoy working under that kind of secrecy?
Denis Villeneuve: No. Two things. I love most of the time the way I was doing movies before this one is that you're doing a movie and people are not necessarily aware. They don't care. Nobody was expecting or waiting for Sicario. I didn't have to put my screenplay in a safe. Nobody cared. It was easy. Saying that, I love an audience seeing a movie knowing as little as possible. I think it is very powerful when you don't know a thing about a movie. One of my best, as far as a cinephile experience, once I was on a jury of a film festival, a long while ago, and I watched every movie not knowing a thing about a movie. Not knowing from where it was. You sat in a dark room and the movie started and you don't know if it was a horror movie or a comedy or if it was from Kazakhstan or the United States, you don't know nothing. And the impact of that, watching a movie this way, is so powerful. To experience 20 movies in a row. And I was like, "Oh, boy. I wish we were in that stage." Because right now we see tons of images. Two days ago, Joe Walker, my editor, saw the trailer and was watching like (does something non-verbal). And I was like "It's ok Joe, it's ok, it's ok. Because there are things you work hard to try to keep secret, or create tension, or two characters try in a room to create surprise in the movie. Then you look and the marketing department just shows it all. For me, I don't like it. I wish one day I will have control. I understand the importance of marketing. I understand competition. I understand the needs. But I wish we would be able to sell movies without showing too much of it. In a perfect world...
The line, "We were being hunted..."
Denis Villeneuve: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish it was possible, but what can I say.
You're coming from some smaller films, not anywhere on this scale. I'm curious for you, is this a scale you enjoy doing. You have Dune lined up as well. You are doing bigger productions. Is that something that you're gravitating towards on purpose, to do bigger films, or is it just kind of happening naturally because of the material?
Denis Villeneuve: The thing is, it's happening naturally. But also I would never had said yes to a project like that ten years ago. It's a matter of, I see this as each movie has it's own challenges and it's a natural rhythm to, as a filmmaker, try to get challenges and to be inspired and take bigger risks, step by step. The movies have always been bigger one after another from a technical point of view. Because the movies I love, one of my favorite movies is Lawrence of Arabia. You need a lot of mastery and a lot of experience to do a movie like that. For me it's like slowly walking a direction. Honestly it's a blessing. If you'd told me ten years ago I'd direct a Blade Runner, I'd have laughed in your face. Because I would not think that such a thing could be possible. I'm saying naturally it comes. But it's a natural rhythm, getting bigger. I had the time of my life doing this movie. Because to work in that scope, with those resources, to have the chance to build the sets, I've seen things...(laughter).
But it's true, there's some moments I was like "Wow!" I never thought I'd have the chance to, because we built everything, the sets, the vehicles, there were moments, there's some specific scenes, I said, "I never thought I'd have a chance to see that in my life as a director. A chance to have those toys. To be able to recreate live things, live because you feel it, that's it real, that there's a weight, there's a presence. I always thought that the Yoda on Empire Strikes Back was much more powerful and present than the ones after the CG. I'm not a big CG fan. I think there's a lot of power, it's a powerful tool, but it cannot just be that. We did our best as we could to always be live, with models with real vehicles. So there is always something real in each image. To shoot real landscapes. We tried our best to have life in front of the camera. And a lot of shots are done all in camera. (Name) was the cinematographer and the production designers, they really put their mastery to recreate my dream. If you had an apartment like that view outside, they would green screen, it was like they'd build the other street. It was like there were rigs of light so that the image of the spinner coming in, it was like rain was falling for real, it was like really you were in 2049. I did not know you could do that in Montreal. So I'm not saying I will do that all my life, but now I have the energy and some desires and the resources, yeah.
Keep anything from the set?
Denis Villeneuve: There's some elements that I stole. Things that are supposed to come back. Honestly, I have a lot of respect for directors that are sci-fi. I realize the amount of work that is required to do a scene in the future, to design all of the clothes, all the little devices, I'd say it is quite an exciting but exhausting journey. My admiration for Ridley Scott just sky rocketed when I was doing this.
The first movie is a movie where you ask the viewer to think about technology and what it means to be human. We are faced with technology and how it changes our bodies, our lives. Do you feel like you made a movie where technology let's us be more empathetic or more disconnected from each other? Because there is a lot of disconnection in the first movie. Do you feel like you are closing a loop there?
Denis Villeneuve: No, unfortunately. I think it's an extension of the first movie. And what you describe is a lot about what science fiction is. It's always like exploring the human condition and its relationship to progress. And the unknown. The story that they wrote, the DNA of the story, was not something that, I adapted the story as a filmmaker, but the DNA is coming from Anton so it is the same thematics as the first movie. So I would say that we didn't evolve in that regard, unfortunately. But we are still there, which is good news.
Do you feel technology can do that?
Denis Villeneuve: No, no. I deeply believe that it has to come from ourself inside not from an outside device. That's why sci-fi is so interesting.
http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-denis-villeneuve-interview/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeBoFHwRaaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeBoFHwRaaE)
Thanks for sharing this stuff here, Ingmar!
No problem. I'm doing it because I'm massive BR fan and I'm extremely exited about new one.
Me too, since '82.
And as an aside, before I typed that post, I said to myself: "make sure not to type 'Ingmar', because his name is 'Ingwar'." :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri5e1MLErZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri5e1MLErZo)
I think Blade Runner 2049 has an open ending.
They are already talking about possible sequels after Blade Runner 2049.
For discerning Blade Runner enthusiasts and scholars, Paul M. Sammon will be releasing an updated version of his legendary book, Future Noir: The Making of Blade Runner.
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In addition to the wealth of material contained in the original book, this revised and expanded edition of Future Noir will also include:
-An overview of Blade Runner's impact on moviemaking and its acknowledged significance in popular culture since the book's original publication
-An exploration of the history of Blade Runner: The Final Cut and its theatrical release in 2007
-An up-close look at its long-awaited sequel Blade Runner 2049
-A 2007 interview with Harrison Ford
-Exclusive interviews with Rutger Hauer and Sean Young
For 12 September 2017 release.
I'll be happy to re-buy this book. I read the old one to death!
I don't have it yet, so this is good news for me.
I own second edition.
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Not sure if the new edition would be worthwhile for you though. I think the only new stuff for you would be the BR 2049 part and the Sean Young interview. I'm sure it would be worthwhile for people like Mr. Clemens and myself who own the original 1996 first edition or those who don't have it yet. The second edition was only published in the UK (no US release) and it was already out of print when I tried to get hold of it. Second-hand copies were going for ludicrous prices.
Bladezone conducted a lengthy interview with Paul Sammon several years ago about all the additional features in the second edition (which will also appear in the new third edition). Here it is:
Spoiler
Mr. Sammon, thank you for taking the time to offer your words to the Blade Runner fan community. We congratulate you on your all your work and are excited to hear you have a new revised edition of Future Noir. What will fans expect to see in this new edition?
Approximately 70,000 words of new material. This covers the BR story from 1996, when the first edition of Future Noir was published, up until 2007, the year the Final Cut appeared. The Second Edition also includes a 10,000-word interview with Harrison Ford. It's the longest interview he's ever done on Blade Runner. Harrison was very gracious during our talks; basically, he told me that because enough time had passed, Ford's now made his peace with the film. And with Sir Ridley.
Ford and I spoke twice about BR. We did the longer of the two interviews, which took about an hour and half, at Harrison's office near the Santa Monica airport. That's where he has a hanger housing his fixed-wing aircraft and his helicopter. Ford's a licensed pilot.
How long did you take writing this new second edition?
Well, I've never stopped collecting information on BR, but I more or less officially contracted for the new Future Noir during December 2006. Then I spent months reconnecting with the cast & crew, doing new interviews, and warehousing a ton of fresh research. I turned in the final manuscript in early October of 2007. So I spent about 10 months on this version of the book. Although, really, you could say that I'm always writing about BR, one way or another (laughs).
Yes, we'd heard that you'd conducted new interviews with the cast and crew.
Yeah, I did about 25-30 of those. People I spoke with this time included Harrison, Michael Deeley, Ivor Powell, Mark Stetson, Hampton Fancher, David Peoples, and Joanna Cassidy. Charles de Lauzirika, the Restoration Producer for the Final Cut, was also tremendously helpful; I literally could not have composed this version of the book without Charlie. And then I had a terrific and very long chat with Sean Young about Blade Runner. But that happened far too late in the game to include in this version of Future Noir. Maybe it'll appear in the Third Edition! (laughs)
Who can we expect to be included and what additional subjects have you covered?
First, there's a new 50,000-word chapter entitled "The Final Cut." That section covers the entire process of creating The Final Cut, including moments like the "Greenscreen shoot" with Joanna Cassidy and Ben Ford. This chapter also includes a heavily detailed report on all the new Blade Runner and Philip K. Dick happenings since 1996. Then there is the Second Edition's standalone Harrison Ford interview, which is done as an appendix, "Appendix J." There are two other new appendices as well. One, the Second Edition Data File, is a grab-bag of anecdotes and BR-related factoids. Here's where you'll find info on the Westwood BR videogame, the new bootleg soundtracks, and the BR DVD collector sets. The last new appendix in the Second Edition addresses and corrects some of the typos and misinformation that sneaked into the first edition. That one's called "Errata: First Edition Corrections."
Were you able to completely revise the first edition?
Unfortunately, no. Only in the sense of the additions and corrections I've already spoken about. That's why I was annoyed to see the word "revised" appear on the cover of the Second Edition. Because it isn't – there wasn't the time or opportunity to do a complete revision, despite the fact that I very much wanted to. Anyway, the new material in the Second Edition begins on page 375, with a 105-page chapter called "The Final Cut." That covers the newest version of the film, the rise in interest in the works of Philip K. Dick, the BR DVDs produced by Charlie de Lauzirika, the 2004 restoration of the original Flying Spinner, the PKD Android Project, and a slew of other topics. The new appendices start on page 548 with Appendix J, the Harrison Ford interview. Then the Second Edition Data File and the Errata appendix follow that. These new appendices total about 50 additional pages. So there are about 150 pages of new material, in toto, in "Future Noir II".
Are you happy with the way the Second Edition came out?
Well...(laughs). I'm rarely satisfied with the final state of my books or films, much less made happy by them. Usually, I just see their blemishes. On the other hand, the Second Edition of Future Noir was composed under circumstances quite different from the first. The main difference was that, this time, the Final Cut and BR DVD sets were still being created while I was writing about them. That situation erected its own unique set of obstacles - Ridley didn't sign off on the Final Cut until early August 2007, for example, yet FN's Second Edition was published just a few months later, in early December. Plus, 2007 was the year of BR's 25th anniversary, and Warner Home Video mounted a very impressive slate of promotional efforts all year long to publicize the BR DVDs and Final Cut. But those efforts lasted virtually up until December 9, the date when the BR DVD/Bradbury Building party took place. Which is why that event isn't in the Second Edition.
What all this meant was that I was literally writing updates and corrections up through mid-November of 2007, the month I turned in the Second Edition's last few additions. So this version of the book didn't appear under the best possible circumstances; for example, I wish that I could have published the Second Edition about a year later, maybe in late 2008. With that extra time, I could have compiled more BR data and gained a deeper perspective on The Final Cut and the BR DVDs. Still, even though the Second Edition process was a bit daunting, my UK publisher, Gollancz/Orion Books, couldn't have been more supportive. Gollancz did a great job with the Second Edition.
What don't you like about the Second Edition?
I'd rather start with something that I do like. There is now a hardcover version of Future Noir that preserves the first edition and includes a new 150-page update on BR, which I think is very cool. As for what I don't like, well, one bother was the matter of timing, as I've already mentioned. There I ran up against a relatively new wrinkle in contemporary publishing – the tie-in. By that I mean that books like Future Noir are often slaved to the release date of another product. The Second Edition FN was no different in that respect, since it was always positioned to be published at the same time that the BR DVDs were released. In fact, if there hadn't been all those BR DVDs and The Final Cut, there probably wouldn't have been a Second Edition. That makes perfect sense, by the way, from a publisher's point of view. Publishers like to release one thing at the same time that they can capitalize on the release of another thing, in order to maximize the return on their investment.
I'm surprised that there wasn't enough faith in Future Noir to publish another edition before this one.
Are you kidding? Publishing is a business, like the film industry, and the tyranny of the bottom-line has both fields in its grip. So unless you're someone like Stephen King or Steven Spielberg, you gotta line up and beg for your supper, along with everyone else. Plus, it's gotten harder and harder to publish off-center books like Future Noir. I know, since I've been actively trying to get someone interested in a Second Edition since 2002. But there was never any interest in such a thing. Not until 2007, when The Final Cut and the BR DVDs and Gollancz came along. So when the opportunity finally presented itself, even given the restrictions that I've mentioned, I jumped at it. Believe me!
Was there anything else you don't like about the Second Edition?
My main difficulties involve its many typos and flawed photo reproductions. Somewhere between submitting the final draft to the publisher and seeing the end result after it left the printer, a number of corrections I'd originally included weren't put into the book. For example, in the manuscript that I turned in, I'd mentioned that one of Blade Runner's original illustrators, Mentor Huebner, had passed away since FN's first edition came out. That same sentence went on to add that Sherman Labby, BR's other chief illustrator, had also died. But now the book only mentions Huebner! Plus, Charlie is referred to early on in the Final Cut chapter as "Charles de Lauzirika", which of course is his correct name. But then he's named "Charles Lauzirika" through the rest of that section. Finding errors like that, particularly after you'd previously corrected them, can be annoying.
I also wish that the photos in the Second Edition had been better reproduced. And I'd wanted to include at least a half-dozen new stills in the Second Edition, things like the Flying Spinner being restored or a behind-the-scenes shot of Joanna Cassidy being filmed during the Greenscreen shoot. But I was told about midway through writing the new material that those stills weren't going to happen. My publisher did say they'd try to get them into the first softcover version of the Second Edition.
So generally speaking were you happy working with Gollancz?
Absolutely, despite the nits I've just picked. Orion and my editor, Simon Spanton, were terrific - professional, reasonable, patient. I really appreciated that last quality, by the way. Particularly since I was originally commissioned to write only about 10,000 new words for the Second Edition, and I ultimately turned in 70,000! (laughs)
Will the Second Edition also be published in America?
Not at the moment. Right now the Second Edition is planned to only be published in two countries. One is England - you can easily buy it online from amazon.co.uk. HarperCollins, my American publisher, decided not to do a Second Edition here in the States.
Why?
You'd have to ask HarperCollins. I'm assuming that someone there did a cost/benefit analysis and came up short. However, you never know. Perhaps there'll be a change of heart down the line.
Will the new book be in soft cover and Hardcover versions?
Orion's Second Edition Future Noir will be first published in hardcover. A trade paperback may appear later, perhaps in 2008. But that's undecided at the moment.
You mentioned that the new Future Noir would appear in two countries. So does that mean that there will be other, foreign-language versions of the Second Edition, as there were with the previous edition?
Yes. Right now the Second Edition will be published in Japan, as well as in England. Japanese film buffs have always been fascinated with Blade Runner. Like me!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 29, 2017, 07:13:03 PM
Not sure if the new edition would be worthwhile for you though. I think the only new stuff for you would be the BR 2049 part and the Sean Young interview. I'm sure it would be worthwhile for people like Mr. Clemens and myself who own the original 1996 first edition or those who don't have it yet. The second edition was only published in the UK (no US release) and it was already out of print when I tried to get hold of it. Second-hand copies were going for ludicrous prices.
I was lucky enough to buy second-hand in 2012 for just £10.15. And it looks almost untouched. At the moment there are 3 copies on amazon.co.uk. Prices varies from £42 to £134.95. I might buy this new edition just for sake of having it. But when it comes to quality I think that 2nd edition is the best because of its hardcover. New one is paperback.
Thanks for that interview 8th!
I'm looking forward for this. September release.
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QuoteHans Zimmer will be scoring the upcoming Blade Runner 2049 along with composer Benjamin Wallfisch and previously announced composer Johann Johannsson.
In an interview with Studio Cine Live, director Denis Villeneuve clarified the inclusion of Zimmer and Wallfisch:
"Johann Johannsson of Iceland composes the main theme as planned. However, given the scale of the task, Benjamin Wallfisch and Hans Zimmer joined the team to help Johann. It's hard to get to Vangelis' angle. We have Johann's breathtaking atmospheric sounds, but I needed other things, and Hans helped us."
http://heroichollywood.com/blade-runner-2049-score/
Oh yeah! I almost forgot Syd was bringing out a new book too. Funny how all these new books just happen to coincide with the new film's release date. ;)
QuoteJohann Johannsson of Iceland composes the main theme as planned. However, given the scale of the task, Benjamin Wallfisch and Hans Zimmer joined the team to help Johann. It's hard to get to Vangelis' angle. We have Johann's breathtaking atmospheric sounds, but I needed other things, and Hans helped us."
And to think Vangelis did the entire Blade Runner score single-handedly. He composed and arranged it, and he performed it all by himself. 100% Hand-Made. Took him forever though.
Three composers. Yikes.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 30, 2017, 03:20:06 PM
Three composers. Yikes.
Hans Zimmer is very Overrated. He works too much. I listen his mediocre music in all of my movies.
Johannsson is main composer and Hans is ... Hans. Cannot wait to hear it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 30, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
Oh yeah! I almost forgot Syd was bringing out a new book too. Funny how all these new books just happen to coincide with the new film's release date. ;)
Yeah, what a coincidence ;D
Glad to hear that Johansson isn't being replaced outright.
Zimmer has done some amazing scores. The Thin Red Line and Gladiator are amazing scores. Nowadays he scores a lot of superhero movies and it's harder to take him seriously, but the man is gifted and works really hard.
Wes Anderson is the producer on a forthcoming documentary feature about Blade Runner screenwriter, Hampton Fancher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzriupSe1Uw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzriupSe1Uw)
MPAA gives Blade Runner 2049 an "R".
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Some sexuality, nudity and language? Americans :) It's gonna be PG-13 in Europe.
ARRRRR!!!
As it should be. ;D
Good stuff, it's not an essential rating but at least it means it's being geared towards adults instead of selling lunchboxes.
Lol I'm just remembering how hyped people got when Die Hard 5 was rated R... then it came out and the PG-13 fourth film was much better. :laugh: I'm sure 2049 won't be anywhere near that awful, though.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 09, 2017, 08:01:03 PM
Lol I'm just remembering how hyped people got when Die Hard 5 was rated R... then it came out and the PG-13 fourth film was much better. :laugh: I'm sure 2049 won't be anywhere near that awful, though.
Man, Die Hard 5 was a mockery of a sham of three mockeries of a sham of a mockery.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 09, 2017, 08:01:03 PM
Lol I'm just remembering how hyped people got when Die Hard 5 was rated R... then it came out and the PG-13 fourth film was much better. :laugh:
Basically the same story with AvP and AvP:R.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEyZoOTtss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEyZoOTtss)
Like the music. At 1:17 it reminds me of Clint Mansell's Tree Of Life from The Fountain ... or maybe it's Clint's theme?
Blade Runner - 4k Ultra HD (Special Edition) Blu-ray
Extras:
4K UHD Disc
Final Cut Feature
Intro by Ridley Scott
Commentary by Ridley Scott
Commentary by Screenwriters
Commentary by Technical Crew
Blu-ray Disc 1
Final Cut Feature
Intro by Ridley Scott
Commentary by Ridley Scott
Commentary by Screenwriters
Commentary by Technical Crew
Blu-ray Disc 2
Director's Cut
Original Domestic cut
Original International Theatrical Cut
Intro by Ridley Scott Director's Cut
Intro by Ridley Scott Original Domestic cut
Intro by Ridley Scott Original International Theatrical Cut
Blu-ray Disc 3
Workprint featurette
Workprint introduction by Ridley Scott
Workprint commentary by future noir author Paul M. Sammon
Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner documentary
The Electric Dreamer: Remembering Philip K. Dick featurette
Sacrificial Sheep: The Novel vs. The Film featurette
Philip K. Dick: The Blade Runner Interviews featurette
Signs of the Times: Graphic Design featurette
Fashion Forward: Wardrobe and Styling featurette
Screen Tests: Rachel and Pris featurette
The Light That Burns: Remembering Jordan Cronenweth featurette
Deleted and Alternate Scenes - Including introduction by Ridley Scott
On the Set featurette
Convention reel
Behind-the-scenes outtakes
1981 teaser trailer
1982 theatrical trailer
1982 TV spot - trailers and TV spot
1992 Director's Cut trailer
2007 Dangerous Days teaser trailer
2007 Final Cut trailer
Promoting Dystopia: Rendering the Poster Art featurette
Deck-A-Rep: The True Nature of Rick Deckard featurette
Nexus Generation: Fans & Filmmakers featurette
All Our Variant Futures: From Workprint to Final Cut featurette
Blade Runner Stills Gallery ## 1,042 Images
https://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/blade-runner-4k-ultra-hd-special-edition/11533443.html
According to Joel Weinshanker, an investor who is a majority owner in Elvis Presley Enterprises and the managing director of Graceland Holdings and Graceland Archives:
Spoiler
You see Elvis for about three seconds in a trailer, but he's in it for a lot longer.
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I saw Frank Sinatra (in hologram form) is also in BR 2049 which is actually a nice nod to the film noir era.
Harrison Ford was only in STAR WARS VII because Han Solo was killed and Ford was very happy with the decision.
I wonder if Deckard could be killed in this sequel too.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 17, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
I saw Frank Sinatra (in hologram form) is also in BR 2049 which is actually a nice nod to the film noir era.
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Yeah. It's very noir. By the way, we don't have to wait long. October is coming!
That's the one. And I do like the look of that retro-futuro jukebox.
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 17, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
Harrison Ford was only in STAR WARS VII because Han Solo was killed and Ford was very happy with the decision.
I wonder if Deckard could be killed in this sequel too.
Depends on how Ford feels about the character. He didn't like Han, but he likes Indy.
"I played a detective who did no detecting" - Harrison Ford
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 18, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
"I played a detective who did no detecting" - Harrison Ford
Ha, Ford must had been angry when he said that. Because he did
detecting in
BR.
Not much. And it had to be written in. And I think a double was used in the scene where he checks out Leon's apartment.
Yeah the bathroom scene, where Deckard finds the snake scale. It was Vic Armstrong, Harrison's stunt double from Raiders and it was a pick-up scene filmed in London during post production.
I think Harrison would probably like to prove one way or the other that Deckard is human. That's his main concern. He wanted Han dead and I think he wants Deckard to be human. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2017, 08:53:30 AM
Not much. And it had to be written in. And I think a double was used in the scene where he checks out Leon's apartment.
Sufficiently enough. Besides, double or no-double it was still Rick Deckard.
QuoteOFFICIAL: Brand New #BladeRunner2049 Trailer Arrives Tomorrow https://www.trailer-track.com/2017/08/21/official-brand-new-blad
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/899546050133987328 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/899546050133987328)
https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/899529055862755328 (https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/899529055862755328)
46 days left.
Regarding Eighth's post about new trailer. Apparently it's gonna be TV spot.
QuoteSony Pictures has announced that the first international TV spot for director Denis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049 will debut tomorrow.
https://heroichollywood.com/new-blade-runner-2049-trailer-tomorrow/
Yeah, it's a TV spot but quite a long one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5t3bpDcN4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5t3bpDcN4)
My Boss asked me if I'd like to work on October 6th as overtime.........I lol'd
Quote from: N-Shifter on Aug 22, 2017, 05:32:00 PM
My Boss asked me if I'd like to work on October 6th as overtime.........I lol'd
;D I'm gonna book day off.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 22, 2017, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on Aug 22, 2017, 05:32:00 PM
My Boss asked me if I'd like to work on October 6th as overtime.........I lol'd
;D I'm gonna book day off.
I might do that for It.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Yeah, it's a TV spot but quite a long one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5t3bpDcN4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5t3bpDcN4)
Visual Style: It looks David Fincher. Too dark.
The colours in Ridley Scott classic were More Vibrant.
Different director and cinematographer. I like it's zen style. Minimalism at its best.
Yeah.
It's not a Ridley Scott movie so shouldn't look like a Ridley Scott movie.
This film actually shows something resembling daytime and someone's saying it's too dark compared to the original?
Christ.
Besides, if Scott made BR today it would have looked completely different than the original.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 23, 2017, 10:56:25 AM
Besides, if Scott made BR today it would have looked completely different than the original.
Visually not. His visuals(Ridley Scott) are still Very Vibrant.
I like David Fincher but his visual style is Too Dark for a big Sci-Fi.
Shame that Denis Villeneuve is like christopher nolan in the visual sense.
Here we go.
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 23, 2017, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 23, 2017, 10:56:25 AM
Besides, if Scott made BR today it would have looked completely different than the original.
Visually not. His visuals(Ridley Scott) are still Very Vibrant.
I like David Fincher but his visual style is Too Dark for a big Sci-Fi.
Shame that Denis Villeneuve is like christopher nolan in the visual sense.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/shocked-what-gif.gif?w=620&h=0&crop=1)
New Official US Poster:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH9QvgAUQAAZANa.jpg)
New Official International Poster:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH_1qssXcAAJUbM.jpg)
I like it, but the 'two-height, two-line' Blade Runner title bugs my sense of aesthetics a bit. I'd have gone:
BLADE RUNNER
(Big) 2049
But what the hell... just gimme a good movie! :D
This from Paul Shipper looks awesome.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DEamajY6q-E/WWjZxaWb-eI/AAAAAAABmAU/pr-FYvbJ-Zc34lgz5sb2nE9g4zlKUU_TACK4BGAYYCw/s1600/2049%2Bby%2BPaul%2BShipper.jpg)
Dave Bautista:
QuoteI don't know for sure if it's been [announced] or not. I'll give you the name of my character. My character's name is Spoiler
Sapper Morton
http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-dave-bautista-character-spoilers/
Bautista about Denis:
QuoteIt was amazing, it was amazing. He's a very insightful person. He's very particular about every little detail of performance, which was really great, and really interesting, because a lot of things that I was seeing as my character performance, he wasn't seeing at all. He was envisioning it completely different. He's very clear. He makes it very clear to understand what it is he's looking for. A lot of times, he'll just demonstrate. He wanted me to walk a certain way, he wanted me to take my glasses off a certain way, and he would literally come over an demonstrate it: 'Do this and do that.' But it was incredible, man. He's really got such a detailed eye, it was really amazing to see hims work.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/25/blade-runner-2049-dave-bautista-ryan-gosling/
Yes... questions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHZ2L-27kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHZ2L-27kc)
I don't know answers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkL6g-ksRTs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkL6g-ksRTs)
In Tv spot
Questions at 11th second you can see
Spoiler
Rachael.
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/902211169686962176 (https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/902211169686962176)
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 28, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
In Tv spot Questions at 11th second you can see Spoiler
Rachael.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
New rumour suggests that
Spoiler
We can now reveal that a source close to the production of Blade Runner 2049 has informed us that the power of CGI will bring a Replicant character from the cult 1982 film back for the theatrical Blade Runner sequel.
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-original-replicant-to-return-in-blade-runner-2049-as-cgi/
I start worrying. Not a fan of resurrecting old characters by CGI. I hope it's gonna be just a brief exposure. At least they don't have to CGI Edward James Olmos :)
Probably only a brief appearance, not sure if an R-rated film would have the budget needed for full CGI actors in any meaningful role. Hopefully "she" will only be seen on video screens and such rather than interacting with the actual cast.
Looks like this Collider exclusive is going to be a short film:
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/902548841529933826 (https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/902548841529933826)
2036: Nexus Dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg)
163 minutes? Wow.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600)
That short was directed by Luke Scott.
Luke Scott is going to be the Director of an Alien or Blade Runner Sequel very soon in our future.
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 29, 2017, 09:44:16 PM
That short was directed by Luke Scott.
Luke Scott is going to be the Director of an Alien or Blade Runner Sequel very soon in our future.
Not a chance.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 29, 2017, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 29, 2017, 09:44:16 PM
That short was directed by Luke Scott.
Luke Scott is going to be the Director of an Alien or Blade Runner Sequel very soon in our future.
Not a chance.
He already directed like 10 or 11 shorts about Prometheus, The Martian, Alien: Covenant and Blade Runner 2049.
Yes, but it doesn't mean he'll direct Alien or BR movie. It will never happen.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 29, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
2036: Nexus Dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg)
163 minutes? Wow.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600)
Cool vid! Always nice to see Benedict Wong.
163 minutes... well, in for a penny, in for a pound! :D
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 29, 2017, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 29, 2017, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 29, 2017, 09:44:16 PM
That short was directed by Luke Scott.
Luke Scott is going to be the Director of an Alien or Blade Runner Sequel very soon in our future.
Not a chance.
He already directed like 10 or 11 shorts about Prometheus, The Martian, Alien: Covenant and Blade Runner 2049.
I don't why Ridley gave his sons the credit for those short films (probably to build up their filmography resume?). He was there shooting them on the master class videos.
Also, f**k Blade Runner 2049 forever if they CGI an old character (Rachel?) into the film.
Ridley is reaching the end of his career and yet he wants to make more 'ALIEN' movies but his ability to do so personally is running out of time. If he can keep future productions under the Scott Free banner it makes sense to hand the reins over to his son in the not too distant future.
It wouldn't surprise me if the next 'ALIEN' movie is Ridley's last directorial effort for the series; and from that point onwards, we'll see Luke Scott's name badged on them as Director.
Scott wants to keep his family business and future welfare of his company assured. A big name brand property like 'ALIEN' will definitely be an asset to cover those ambitions.
-Windebieste.
"I can go for another six" - Ridley Scott
"80 can be a healthy 60"
;D
Luke Scott is 49. He made one feature movie Morgan in 2016. Do you really think he's gonna make Alien or/and BR movies? Seriously? Scott Free don't own movies. Studios do own them and nobody is gonna let Luke Scott make them. Beside, business is business and you don't choose your son to make movies like these just because he's your son. You always pick the best director possible/available.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 30, 2017, 07:52:02 AM
Luke Scott is 49. He made one feature movie Morgan in 2016. Do you really think he's gonna make Alien or/and BR movies? Seriously? Scott Free don't own movies. Studios do own them and nobody is gonna let Luke Scott make them. Beside, business is business and you don't choose your son to make movies like these just because he's your son. You always pick the best director possible/available.
But give him a chance? it's pretty obvious Scott is teaching his son (even tho he's 49) and giving him chances to make those alien short movies like TED 2023 and the Crossing.
If fox gave Luke 1 chance to prove himself maybe he can pull it off? there was a time ya know when ridley Scott was a complete utter newb.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 30, 2017, 07:52:02 AM
Luke Scott is 49. He made one feature movie Morgan in 2016. Do you really think he's gonna make Alien or/and BR movies? Seriously? Scott Free don't own movies. Studios do own them and nobody is gonna let Luke Scott make them. Beside, business is business and you don't choose your son to make movies like these just because he's your son. You always pick the best director possible/available.
His others 2, Jake Scott and Jordan Scott, are Directors too.
His 2 sons and 1 daughter had already directed some movies.
You said NO chances at all. You are wrong. They(the 3 of them) have SOME chances.
Yeah, like me winning Lottery.
It'd be like... the son of a president becoming the president. :P
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 30, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
It'd be like... the son of a president becoming the president. :P
What you did there..........I saw it.
Have they finished shooting yet?
Long time ago. Shooting ended in November 2016. Now it's in post-production/editing.
nvm
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 30, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
It'd be like... the son of a president becoming the president. :P
and that turned out so well
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 31, 2017, 05:34:29 AM
nvm
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 30, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
It'd be like... the son of a president becoming the president. :P
and that turned out so well
W. Bush(the son) was an Idiot.
Back to the topic, the sons or daughters of successful directors directing some movies are FAR MORE USUAL than that example in the world of Politics.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 31, 2017, 04:53:25 AM
Long time ago. Shooting ended in November 2016. Now it's in post-production/editing.
It's finished, done, finito. If they make any more changes to the film now it would need to be re-rated.
But lets hope Villeneuve did a man's job. Cause I might yet end up boycotting this film. It's not going down well with the hardcore Blade Runner scholars/enthusiasts so far. And these guys know their shit, they're not your typical mindless IMDb trolls. Here's a couple of quotes from another forum:
QuoteThe clean modern space age design of the 1950s-60s culminated in the film 2001: a Space Odyssey, but also TV shows like Star Trek where the future promised cleanliness. The problem with doing it in film is that over time that look itself became a cliche' and was constantly used as a clue to futurism, even though it really ended up being boring and looking fake. Star Wars might have been the first to take the future and dirty it down and make it truly look lived in, though Kubrick to some degree did it in A Clockwork Orange. Blade Runner took a piece from that and the artistic density of the Heavy metal Comic artists. It showed a contrast between the rich and poor, with Tyrell's living spaces being much cleaner, but still having texture in the way of Art Deco and neo-classical ornamentalism. Ridley even counteracted some of the sparseness in Tyrell's office with the use of light, fog, and reflections to create more texture. It made the film a sensual experience. The clean "Zen" styling we see today seem overly commercial to me, and are less of a style than a mental trick to lessen anxiety during a shopping experience. The decor needs to be constantly updated because any wear and tear will ruin it's perfection, and function. The great brilliance in the style of Blade Runner was as Rutger Hauer put it "the future is old". The future is unable to refurbish itself, and instead it is adding parts and pieces to keep things going, in what was called "Retro-fitting", and unintentionally created Cyberpunk DIY style. We are now conditioned to love new and clean commercial products and to fear the imperfection of man-made items. Blade Runner showed the resourcefulness of the poor in a post consumer technological underground society. The rich perhaps have their zen clean apartments and condos, but many of them have left the earth, leaving behind much of their collections of antiques. Making the future in this film clean and slick, is pretentious, commercial, lazy, boring, sterile, dehumanizing, and antithetical to major themes in the original film, not to mention it just seems cheap. If they show a contrast between the rich and regular people using it, okay, but it just doesn't work for me. It doesn't look authentic or lived in. It takes me out of the environment, and makes it feel like I am not allowed to go in there. Blade Runner should not be a stark film, but rich in color and texture. That is what made the film great originally.
QuoteHaving seen one of the '82 spinners in person shortly after the release of the original film, and seeing the 2049 spinner last week at the BR Experience, my basic feeling is that the original looks and feels like a proper "Car" or "Vehicle". I can't say that about the 2049 version. It looks like a car-shaped prop, or set-piece. The finish is rough and very non-car-like. Very rough. And the paint is textured. When I say "textured" it is basically "sceniced", as in heavily worked on by the scene paint artists, to the point where it's gone way beyond what a real vehicle that has aged would look like.
Disappointed. I've interacted with one of the car-build crew and he seems to be very into the original car, so it sort of surprises me how this new one turned out. I expected more. Something more car-like and better than the spinner in the original. But then again, having someone familiar with the original cars on the new build crew is no way an indication that the new ones would look good. For the build crew they are just on a job, doing what they're told by higher-ups.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 31, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 31, 2017, 04:53:25 AM
Long time ago. Shooting ended in November 2016. Now it's in post-production/editing.
It's finished, done, finito. If they make any more changes to the film now it would need to be re-rated.
But lets hope Villeneuve did a man's job. Cause I might yet end up boycotting this film. It's not going down well with the hardcore Blade Runner scholars/enthusiasts so far. And these guys know their shit, they're not your typical mindless IMDb trolls. Here's a couple of quotes from another forum:
QuoteThe clean modern space age design of the 1950s-60s culminated in the film 2001: a Space Odyssey, but also TV shows like Star Trek where the future promised cleanliness. The problem with doing it in film is that over time that look itself became a cliche' and was constantly used as a clue to futurism, even though it really ended up being boring and looking fake. Star Wars might have been the first to take the future and dirty it down and make it truly look lived in, though Kubrick to some degree did it in A Clockwork Orange. Blade Runner took a piece from that and the artistic density of the Heavy metal Comic artists. It showed a contrast between the rich and poor, with Tyrell's living spaces being much cleaner, but still having texture in the way of Art Deco and neo-classical ornamentalism. Ridley even counteracted some of the sparseness in Tyrell's office with the use of light, fog, and reflections to create more texture. It made the film a sensual experience. The clean "Zen" styling we see today seem overly commercial to me, and are less of a style than a mental trick to lessen anxiety during a shopping experience. The decor needs to be constantly updated because any wear and tear will ruin it's perfection, and function. The great brilliance in the style of Blade Runner was as Rutger Hauer put it "the future is old". The future is unable to refurbish itself, and instead it is adding parts and pieces to keep things going, in what was called "Retro-fitting", and unintentionally created Cyberpunk DIY style. We are now conditioned to love new and clean commercial products and to fear the imperfection of man-made items. Blade Runner showed the resourcefulness of the poor in a post consumer technological underground society. The rich perhaps have their zen clean apartments and condos, but many of them have left the earth, leaving behind much of their collections of antiques. Making the future in this film clean and slick, is pretentious, commercial, lazy, boring, sterile, dehumanizing, and antithetical to major themes in the original film, not to mention it just seems cheap. If they show a contrast between the rich and regular people using it, okay, but it just doesn't work for me. It doesn't look authentic or lived in. It takes me out of the environment, and makes it feel like I am not allowed to go in there. Blade Runner should not be a stark film, but rich in color and texture. That is what made the film great originally.
QuoteHaving seen one of the '82 spinners in person shortly after the release of the original film, and seeing the 2049 spinner last week at the BR Experience, my basic feeling is that the original looks and feels like a proper "Car" or "Vehicle". I can't say that about the 2049 version. It looks like a car-shaped prop, or set-piece. The finish is rough and very non-car-like. Very rough. And the paint is textured. When I say "textured" it is basically "sceniced", as in heavily worked on by the scene paint artists, to the point where it's gone way beyond what a real vehicle that has aged would look like.
Disappointed. I've interacted with one of the car-build crew and he seems to be very into the original car, so it sort of surprises me how this new one turned out. I expected more. Something more car-like and better than the spinner in the original. But then again, having someone familiar with the original cars on the new build crew is no way an indication that the new ones would look good. For the build crew they are just on a job, doing what they're told by higher-ups.
Production Design is always Top-Notch with Ridley Scott. Even in ALIEN: COVENANT, the Covenant ship looked so real. All the controls, all the lights, all the buttons. Everything looked real.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 31, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
But lets hope Villeneuve did a man's job. Cause I might yet end up boycotting this film. It's not going down well with the hardcore Blade Runner scholars/enthusiasts so far. And these guys know their shit, they're not your typical mindless IMDb trolls. Here's a couple of quotes from another forum:
QuoteHaving seen one of the '82 spinners in person shortly after the release of the original film, and seeing the 2049 spinner last week at the BR Experience, my basic feeling is that the original looks and feels like a proper "Car" or "Vehicle". I can't say that about the 2049 version. It looks like a car-shaped prop, or set-piece. The finish is rough and very non-car-like. Very rough. And the paint is textured. When I say "textured" it is basically "sceniced", as in heavily worked on by the scene paint artists, to the point where it's gone way beyond what a real vehicle that has aged would look like.
Might boycotting? Come on 8th! You are better than that :)
BR Experience is not the same thing as a movie. Whoever wrote that is obsessed with design. I'm not bothered. It's 2017, not 1982, and movie is made by different director and different cinematographer. Actually I like Denis's Zen style.
Very rough? Well, it's 30 years after BR and as we know climate has changed. Acidic rains and so on. Maybe that's why it looks rough.
What matters in good movie is plot, storytelling, characters and dialogues. Production design, music, special effects and so on come next.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 31, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 31, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
But lets hope Villeneuve did a man's job. Cause I might yet end up boycotting this film. It's not going down well with the hardcore Blade Runner scholars/enthusiasts so far. And these guys know their shit, they're not your typical mindless IMDb trolls. Here's a couple of quotes from another forum:
QuoteHaving seen one of the '82 spinners in person shortly after the release of the original film, and seeing the 2049 spinner last week at the BR Experience, my basic feeling is that the original looks and feels like a proper "Car" or "Vehicle". I can't say that about the 2049 version. It looks like a car-shaped prop, or set-piece. The finish is rough and very non-car-like. Very rough. And the paint is textured. When I say "textured" it is basically "sceniced", as in heavily worked on by the scene paint artists, to the point where it's gone way beyond what a real vehicle that has aged would look like.
Might boycotting? Come on 8th! You are better than that :)
BR Experience is not the same thing as a movie. Whoever wrote that is obsessed with design. I'm not bothered. It's 2017, not 1982, and movie is made by different director and different cinematographer. Actually I like Denis's Zen style.
Very rough? Well, it's 30 years after BR and as we know climate has changed. Acidic rains and so on. Maybe that's why it looks rough.
What matters in good movie is plot, storytelling, characters and dialogues. Production design, music, special effects and so on come next.
BUT production design, music, Fxs, feel and visuals were the most important things in the original classic.
Which is why it's such a grossly overrated movie.
Quote from: PierreVW on Aug 31, 2017, 10:05:24 PM
BUT production design, music, Fxs, feel and visuals were the most important things in the original classic.
I don't claim that design, music, special effects and visuals are not important. They are extremely important. But above all movie is about storytelling, characters and good dialogues (depending on movie).
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 29, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
2036: Nexus Dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-csFKhQCg)
163 minutes? Wow.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902607836143919104)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611192740446209)
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/902611732899737600)
Jared Leto's accent in this video sounds alot like "Walter" the android from Alien Covenant.
hmmmm.....
:o
Quote
Production Design is always Top-Notch with Ridley Scott. Even in ALIEN: COVENANT, the Covenant ship looked so real. All the controls, all the lights, all the buttons. Everything looked real.
Except the Alien.
I honestly didn't care for this movie, but watching that short got me hyped as f**k. Will probably watch it in cinemas.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 31, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Might boycotting? Come on 8th! You are better than that :)
Nah, I have to stick to my principles. If you don't agree with the direction a film went, the only way to counter that is to withhold financial support. Local Trouble inspired me you see. :)
But I'm still collating at this stage... we'll see once the reviews start coming in.
QuoteBR Experience is not the same thing as a movie.
It actually is. The car and most of the props and decor were from the film itself. Actual screen used props.
QuoteWell, it's 30 years after BR and as we know climate has changed. Acidic rains and so on. Maybe that's why it looks rough.
The thing is, Blade Runner depicts a society on the brink of collapse. Those with the money and who can pass the medical exams have already left for the Off-World colonies. The streets are increasingly getting clogged-up with garbage and everywhere you look the infrastructure is breaking down. It's already past the point of no return. Thirty years later everything should be positively medieval. But instead we now have clean streets with neatly lined-up wheelie bins, brand new-looking-new-model MetroKabs and high-tech holograms everywhere. Quite the Renaissance.
8th you gonna see movie no matter what :)
Regarding BR Experience: I know that car and the props are from the movie itself. What I meant was that it always looks better on the screen than in real life. Illusion of cinema if you prefer.
I don't have problem they way 2049 looks. I like its zen style. It's just an artistic choice. Besides, even if it's point of no return, it doesn't mean that humanity cannot pretend to make it more likeable. We are good at this. Being fake is part of our nature.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 01, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
8th you gonna see movie no matter what :)
I'll refuse. Also, if someone sends me the Blu-Ray as a gift I'll report the person who gave it to me to the police.
QuoteRegarding BR Experience: I know that car and the props are from the movie itself. What I meant was that it always looks better on the screen than in real life. Illusion of cinema if you prefer.
Sorry, I didn't read your post properly, and you're quite right about that.
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Interview with Denis. Potential spoilers:
QuoteWhen he signed on to direct "Blade Runner 2049," which hits theaters Oct. 6, Denis Villeneuve was determined to carry on the groundbreaking aesthetic of director Ridley Scott's original 1982 neo-noir sci-fi thriller. At the same time, he didn't want to create a mere replica — or replicant, as the case may be.
"The movie we did is deeply inspired by the first movie, but we tried not to become a pastiche or parody," says the French Canadian director behind such films as "Arrival" and "Sicario." "We used elements from the first movie with humility and tried to find a strength in them. But this movie has its own personality."
Adapted from Philip K. Dick's 1968 novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?," Scott's original film — the tale of hard-bitten cop Rick Deckard (Harrison Ford) who hunts down renegade androids — has cast a large shadow over the pop culture landscape with its gritty, haunting cyberpunk rendering of a dystopian Los Angeles. Set three decades later, after the events of the first movie, the sequel centers on a young LAPD blade runner (Ryan Gosling) who uncovers a secret that leads him on a quest to find Deckard.
Working alongside cinematographer Roger Deakins and production designer Dennis Gassner, Villeneuve, 49, sought to bring the world of Scott's seminal classic back to life while pushing it visually in new directions. Here, Villeneuve walks us through the film, one scene at a time.
Ubiquitous advertising was a recurring visual feature of the original "Blade Runner," and Villeneuve picks up that motif in this scene, as Gosling's Officer K gazes at (and is gazed at by) an immense holographic ad. "We constructed the bridge on the set, filled the stage with rain and fog, and we projected the actress on that gigantic screen," Villeneuve says. "So the impact of the light is all real — it's not something created by a computer."
Gassner was responsible for the production design on "Blade Runner 2049," but for this scene, in which Officer K looks out at a ruined cityscape, Villeneuve worked with original "Blade Runner" concept artist Syd Mead. "For me, it was important to have one moment where Syd Mead would express himself," he says. "I had the chance to meet the master and ask him to give me the gift to create a specific place. And when I saw his drawings, I was so moved."
Officer K sits behind the wheel of his futuristic police cruiser, known as a spinner. "We had a few different vehicles — some were used for flight and others to drive," Villeneuve says. "I love science fiction, but I never thought as a filmmaker that I'd have the joy to construct cars from the future like that."
Officer K walks past cramped boxes in which some of the city's poorest residents live, an idea inspired by real-life Hong Kong low-income housing units called "coffin cubicles." "Part of L.A. is in ruins and doesn't have power anymore, and there are a lot of refugees coming from eastern Asia and Russia," Villeneuve says. "To have your own apartment is a big luxury, and there are a lot of people living in boxes."
Actress Sylvia Hoeks, who plays a character called Luv, looks into a retinal scanner alongside Gosling's Officer K. "The image of the eye was very important in Ridley Scott's universe and those elements are in '2049' as well," Villeneuve says. "There's the cliche that the eyes are windows of the soul, and we're dealing with replicants who don't have a soul."
For Villeneuve, shown here on the set, it was critically important to incorporate real, tangible props, like this table with decanters and cocktails, with which the actors could interact. "At the end of the day, the actors need realism around them to be inspired," the director says. "They can go deeper into the scene and deeper into the psyche of the character if they don't have to deal with a fake glass on a fake table."
In the original "Blade Runner," Ford's Deckard was constantly soaked by rain, but in the new film, the weather is much less predictable. In the intervening years, the climate has gone berserk due to rampant pollution, turning Los Angeles into a chilly, desolate place. "As much as the first movie had an atmosphere of constant rain, in this one it would be colder," the director says. "Basically, you could say that the first movie was made by a man from London, England, and the second one was made by someone from Montreal, Canada."
With the new "Blade Runner," Villeneuve wanted to carry forward the neo-noir aesthetic of the original film, with stark, dramatic lighting as in this scene featuring Gosling and Ford. "It's a world that is quite bleak and dark and claustrophobic, but I tried to find an equilibrium with explosions of color that would express some emotions and some themes," he says. "The color yellow is very important in the movie and is linked with different aspects, story-wise. "
With "Blade Runner 2049," Villeneuve was determined to keep the production as old school as he could, putting his cast onto real sets, like this building through which K and Deckard are running. "The first question Ryan asked me was, 'Will we do the whole movie in front of green screen?'" he says. "You need to allow the space for the actors to find new ideas on the set — and those ideas are not coming in front of a green screen. For me, I understand the power of it, but I hate it."
Villeneuve, shown here in front of one of the film's spinners, says trying to revive and expand the sci-fi universe that Scott created 35 years ago is by far the biggest artistic challenge he's ever undertaken. "My respect and admiration for Ridley Scott cannot be higher than now after having done this movie," he says. "From a design point of view, he is a genius. Once you try to do it yourself, you realize how difficult what he did is."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-0903-sneaks-blade-runner-gallery-20170903-story.html
hello everybody. With 2049 coming out soon, i wanted to watch blade runner for the first time. Iv seen bits and parts on TV but never the whole thing. Which version should i watch ?
Probably the Final Cut.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Aug 31, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Jared Leto's accent in this video sounds alot like "Walter" the android from Alien Covenant.
hmmmm.....
:o
Yeah, it was pretty bad. Jared Leto is no Rutger Hauer or Fassbender.
I diagree, Leto is a good actor. Just watch Mr Nobody or Chapter 27.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Aug 31, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Jared Leto's accent in this video sounds alot like "Walter" the android from Alien Covenant.
He doesn't sound like Walter at all. Totally different way of speaking.
Quote from: frenchfries on Sep 04, 2017, 01:13:23 AM
hello everybody. With 2049 coming out soon, i wanted to watch blade runner for the first time. Iv seen bits and parts on TV but never the whole thing. Which version should i watch ?
I usually show people the International Cut for their first time. It's the version we all grew up with and came to love. Then they can still look forward to enjoying the 'perfect' Final Cut at a later date.
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Regarding short marketing films. Luke Scott said:
Quote"It helps evolve original scripts of movies," Scott said. "It's sort of cheating. It fills in the gaps where the narrator doesn't have to worry about the genesis of the narrative. You could rely possibly on these short films and other assets that roll a few weeks before the main event to do that part of the storytelling for the director."
"It is a revolution and I think this particular film [Blade Runner 2049] and the next one coming up," Scott said, "I think they are not only a great way of marketing these kinds of movies, it fills in the gaps and gives more background on a character."
"This was a particularly difficult project simply because so much needed to remain hidden," Scott said. "Not much could be given away. In fact, they were very protective of what they had been doing. We are kind of going into the dark a little bit. You have this incredible performance and character that Jared [Leto] presents. And this is a really interesting scene. There's a lot to protect. So going in, you have to think about what would Denis do."
"This is an extension of the entertainment in and of itself," Scott said. "I hope that my short is as close to imagining what Blade Runner 2049 turns out to be. I think that as a fan myself, 'huh, these are really cool.' This is It makes the fans celebrate, and I love being a part of it."
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/5/16254616/blade-runner-alien-covenant-short-films
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 06, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Regarding short marketing films. Luke Scott said:
Quote"It helps evolve original scripts of movies," Scott said. "It's sort of cheating. It fills in the gaps where the narrator doesn't have to worry about the genesis of the narrative. You could rely possibly on these short films and other assets that roll a few weeks before the main event to do that part of the storytelling for the director."
"It is a revolution and I think this particular film [Blade Runner 2049] and the next one coming up," Scott said, "I think they are not only a great way of marketing these kinds of movies, it fills in the gaps and gives more background on a character."
"This was a particularly difficult project simply because so much needed to remain hidden," Scott said. "Not much could be given away. In fact, they were very protective of what they had been doing. We are kind of going into the dark a little bit. You have this incredible performance and character that Jared [Leto] presents. And this is a really interesting scene. There's a lot to protect. So going in, you have to think about what would Denis do."
"This is an extension of the entertainment in and of itself," Scott said. "I hope that my short is as close to imagining what Blade Runner 2049 turns out to be. I think that as a fan myself, 'huh, these are really cool.' This is It makes the fans celebrate, and I love being a part of it."
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/5/16254616/blade-runner-alien-covenant-short-films
Blade Runner 2049 is getting a sequel. Without Villeneuve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiLKaU_n-gY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiLKaU_n-gY)
QuoteAccording to People, Leto wore the opaque lenses for the entire duration of the shoot both on and off the set, being guided around locations while shooting the movie and never looking at his fellow cast members.
"That, for me, was insane," remarked Blade Runner 2049 director Denis Villeneuve, who said he was unprepared for how seriously Leto took the whole method acting thing, despite having heard all of the stories about it.
Villeneuve said that the dedication paid off in the work, describing an early camera test for Leto's character that the actor arrived at playing blind. "He entered the room, and he could not see at all," Villeneuve said. "He was walking with an assistant, very slowly. It was like seeing Jesus walking into a temple. Everybody became super silent, and there was a kind of sacred moment. Everyone was in awe. It was so beautiful and powerful — I was moved to tears."
http://www.looper.com/84852/jared-leto-worked-blind-shooting-blade-runner-2049/
Here's another short film, this time featuring "Sapper", played by Dave Bautista. We can see a little bit more of the outside/streets in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9hooIDgQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9hooIDgQA)
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QuoteWhen you were working on the original "Blade Runner," did you have any sense that it could be a milestone?
HARRISON FORD Yes, if it didn't kill us first. It was clearly very ambitious, and it was clearly new and inspired. But it wasn't easy to get it on paper.
What was the most challenging aspect?
FORD The nights. The endless 50 nights of work. And as much as the audience, perhaps, was shocked or a little bit confused by the newness of it, I suppose I was a bit as well. There were a lot of things that I wasn't sure would work.
RIDLEY SCOTT The stories about Harrison and I not getting on, [they were] not absolutely true. I was very much in my own head about what I was doing, and it's very difficult hour by hour, minute by minute, to explain why it's [expletive] raining and why it's [expletive] dark. And eventually, I used to say, "'Cause that's what I want. Back the [expletive] off." And that was it, because I got fed up of explaining myself.
The initial reviews weren't great but eventually it became beloved. When did you get a sense the film was resonating with people?
SCOTT I used to watch a lot of MTV, and I suddenly realized that, "Hang on. There's a shot in there from 'Blade Runner.' " It had sneaked out and was influencing filmmakers and rock 'n' roll artists. I got a call from Bob Dylan — he had a lawyer contact me, and I went in and I spent the whole evening with Bob Dylan because he adored "Blade Runner" so much. So I knew it had made its dent.
What did "Blade Runner" mean to you, as fans?
RYAN GOSLING I think I was 2 when it came out, but I saw it when I was maybe 12 or 14. It was one of the first films I had seen where it wasn't clear how I was supposed to feel when it was over. It really makes you question your idea of the hero and the villain, the idea of what it means to be human.
DENIS VILLENEUVE It's linked with the birth of my love for cinema. I think we hadn't seen before, the combination of film noir and science fiction, and it's the first time that someone was taking the time to really create the future. They tried to project the '80s into the future and to think about it from a sociological point of view, from a demographic point of view, technological. Visions of the future in the cinema at that time were more fantasy-like, you know? Not that serious.
Why was now the time to do a sequel?
SCOTT I always thought it was time to do it, any time in the last 30 years. I got a call from Alcon [the producing studio] saying, "We're gonna buy this. Do you think there's a story?" I said, "There's a big story," which is about artificial intelligence. I called up Hampton and we sat there and worked it out. The fundamental basis of the story [is about] that idea of A. I.s being turned into A. I.s with emotion, which becomes very dangerous. Because he'll get out of control in a heartbeat as soon as he realizes he's superior to his master.
That idea is even more relevant now than it was in 1982.
VILLENEUVE In some ways it's a very classic story of a human wanting to play God, like the Frankenstein story. It's timeless. So the same questions are still there, but we are more and more kind of hybrids ourselves. Our relationship with memory, faith and communications has evolved a lot since then.
GOSLING What adds to the surrealness of it is that the original film is baked into your memory. So as you start to unravel the idea of memory, in general, Denis and I just kept finding ourselves back to the original, which was so much a part of our early memories.
How did you differentiate the new one?
VILLENEUVE I was not afraid to be different but I tried to keep some elements of the first movie. The certain rhythm, the atmosphere. This movie travels outside, it goes more in the suburbs and around Los Angeles. The first movie was set in 2019 and as you know, there are not now flying cars in the sky. There's no Steve Jobs in that first "Blade Runner." There are no cellphones. So really we had to create the future of the first "Blade Runner."
So that's why, for example, Atari still exists?
VILLENEUVE Exactly! We took all the companies that went bankrupt, like Pan Am, that didn't survive the time in between both movies, and we kept them alive in that parallel universe. The U.S.S.R., as well, is alive and kicking in the movie.
What was Ridley's role?
VILLENEUVE He gave me everything he knew, and then after that he said, "You're free. It's your movie. If you need me, I'm there." It was the first time, and honestly the only time, I would do that, to step out in somebody else's shoes. To take someone's dream and try to make it my own, it was by far the most difficult thing I've ever done. I felt his presence all the time.
SCOTT Denis got the mood and he respected the mood, which I thought was a very nice thing.
Were you nervous about potentially tarnishing the legacy of "Blade Runner"?
SCOTT Art's like the shark — you've gotta keep moving, otherwise you drown.
VILLENEUVE Once I made peace with the idea [that] what I was about to try was insanely difficult and my chances of success were very narrow, I became free. It's the best movie I've ever made, I think. But I know it's going to be compared to the first one. And I'm nervous. I'm still waking up sometimes in the morning, thinking to myself, "Oh God! I just made a sequel to 'Blade Runner!' What the [expletive]!?"
Harrison, does returning to roles like Deckard, Han Solo and Indiana Jones after decades away from them change your understanding of the earlier movies?
FORD I guess there's a bit of that. The process, for me, is to understand how to give some logic to that lapse in time. I'm stuck with the same raw ore that the character comes out of. You may be more informed by your own experience, and you may have some different, higher degree of understanding about the process of bringing a character to life, which certainly may be the case in the "Star Wars" films. I always feel obliged, for the audience, to bring some more nuance to extend their understanding of that character, to develop different aspects of his relationships or his personality in respect to the time passed.
There's a longstanding disagreement about whether Deckard is a replicant between Ridley, who says he is, and Harrison, who has maintained that he isn't.
VILLENEUVE Harrison and Ridley are still arguing about this. I witnessed some discussion at dinner we had in Budapest, and it was fantastic. The idea that you're unsure if you were designed or you are a real subject, a real human being — that tension is interesting. I'm not interested in the answer. I like the fact that the movies are playing on that ambiguity instead of taking one side or the other.
FORD It comes up somewhere around the end of the second drink. It always comes up somehow. When we were making the first film, the conversation really was only for Ridley and myself. Somehow it got into the general conversation, because people were curious about that, and I think that's a good thing. The story, I think your options ... are somewhat preserved, for the audience.
SCOTT Deckard is a [expletive] replicant. Harrison can't disagree now, because the whole premise of this new plot is based on the fact that he's a replicant. I'm more amused by this than anything.
GOSLING They had this virtual reality experience at ComicCon where you could walk around in the world of "Blade Runner," and these machines would read whether you were a replicant or not. We went in it, and I did see Harrison's reading. I'm not at liberty to discuss it. But I know what he is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/arts/blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-ridley-scott-denis-villeneuve.html?mcubz=0
Asking the real questions!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2017, 08:55:33 PM
Here's another short film, this time featuring "Sapper", played by Dave Bautista. We can see a little bit more of the outside/streets in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9hooIDgQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9hooIDgQA)
It's been removed. Wonder why.
Yeah, it's weird. It was published on YouTube yesterday by Sony's Swedish division. It wasn't even officially announced or teased, I stumbled on it by chance. Even you missed it. :P
They probably jumped the gun though. It will probably be officially released by Sony on all their channels later this month. Nice little short-film though. It gives you a lot of sympathy for Sapper. I originally thought he was just going to be BR 2049's version of Leon.
After this short film there should be another one before the movie is released but not sure on who it will focus.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 09, 2017, 02:53:28 PM
Yeah, it's weird. It was published on YouTube yesterday by Sony's Swedish division. It wasn't even officially announced or teased, I stumbled on it by chance. Even you missed it. :P
Actually I haven't missed it. I watched it thanks to you ;) At that time video still existed but it had some foreign subtitles. And yes, I feel sorry for Sapper. Who's gonna be next? I hope it's Gaff but I doubt that. Maybe something with female staff: Robin Wright, Ana de Armas or Sylvia Hoeks.
Interesting fact: it's not CGI. It's real hologram.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/09/10/arts/10BLADERUNNER2/10BLADERUNNER2-master768.jpg)
Haven't seen the second short but who directed it? Did it say?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
Haven't seen the second short but who directed it? Did it say?
It was also Luke Scott. He did three shorts for BR 2049
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 09, 2017, 03:56:10 PM
Interesting fact: it's not CGI. It's real hologram.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/09/10/arts/10BLADERUNNER2/10BLADERUNNER2-master768.jpg)
In that shot it actually is CGI. They projected the girl onto the wall of the soundstage during filming, so the colour reflections seen on the balcony is real but the holo girl is not.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 09, 2017, 08:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 09, 2017, 03:56:10 PM
Interesting fact: it's not CGI. It's real hologram.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/09/10/arts/10BLADERUNNER2/10BLADERUNNER2-master768.jpg)
In that shot it actually is CGI. They projected the girl onto the wall of the soundstage during filming, so the colour reflections seen on the balcony is real but the holo girl is not.
Thanks for clarifying that 8th. I must have misunderstood what I've read.
Huh... I was under the impression that Luke only did the first one and that the other two would each be different filmmakers.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
Huh... I was under the impression that Luke only did the first one and that the other two would each be different filmmakers.
I was sure, in the video, that Denis says as much, and then it said Luke Scott anyway. Maybe that's why it was taken down... to fix the error?
First clip from the movie itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BF1nK9Jek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BF1nK9Jek)
Very post-apocalyptic feel to that clip.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 09, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
Huh... I was under the impression that Luke only did the first one and that the other two would each be different filmmakers.
I was sure, in the video, that Denis says as much, and then it said Luke Scott anyway. Maybe that's why it was taken down... to fix the error?
Yeah, there was a short introduction by Villeneuve in which he says that it was directed by "his friend, Luke Scott". Very similar to the first one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjmJjvuPg9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjmJjvuPg9M)
Blade Runner 2049 Main Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMJqSKVW4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMJqSKVW4w)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 12, 2017, 08:33:05 PM
Blade Runner 2049 Main Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMJqSKVW4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMJqSKVW4w)
Lot of texture in there, but still very musical (unlike most of Prom and Cov). I like it.
Is this legit?
I wasn't sure myself at first but the account has scores of legit tracks from other films. Too good to be fanmade. I remember Alien: Covenant's main theme and a few other tracks were first leaked by AVP Galaxy member Stolen, who got them off France's Amazon several weeks before the movie was released. It could be a similar case with this.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 12, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
Lot of texture in there, but still very musical (unlike most of Prom and Cov). I like it.
I like the first three minutes but it kind of peters out a bit after that.
Is is Zimmer's score?
By the way ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IjEhawq4fE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IjEhawq4fE)
No Johannsson's music in 2049.
QuoteA few months back, we learned that Jóhann Jóhannsson was getting some help scoring Denis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049. His new teammates? Hans Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch. This was a mildly intriguing development, but it wasn't exactly earth-shaking: things like this happen from time to time, for all kinds of reasons. Whatcanyado?
Well, now there's been an update. According to the Iceland Review:
"Academy Award Nominee and Golden Globe winner Jóhann Jóhannsson is no longer attached to the film Blade Runner 2049...Jóhann's agent has confirmed to Fréttablaðiðthat the Icelandic composer is no longer involved with the film in any capacity, though he is prohibited from saying anything at this point due to his contract."
So, that's...interesting. As of this writing, no one involved has stepped up to explain Jóhannsson's removal from the film, but from the sound of the above it seems like maybe we shouldn't be holding our breath for that.
Anyway, pour one out for what could've been. I'm sure Zimmer and Wallfisch will deliver something memorable, but it does sting a little bit to learn that we probably won't ever hear the work that Jóhannsson put into this thing.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/09/12/blade-runner-2049-soundtrack-will-now-feature-zero-johann-johannsson
Wonder what happened.
Quote"Academy Award Nominee and Golden Globe winner Jóhann Jóhannsson is no longer attached to the film Blade Runner 2049...Jóhann's agent has confirmed to Fréttablaðiðthat the Icelandic composer is no longer involved with the film in any capacity, though he is prohibited from saying anything at this point due to his contract."
So, that's...interesting. As of this writing, no one involved has stepped up to explain Jóhannsson's removal from the film, but from the sound of the above it seems like maybe we shouldn't be holding our breath for that.
I think the reason he's no longer involved with the film is because the film is finished. Makes sense right?
Probably just journalists looking for drama and intrigue where there is none. Like what happened with Harry Gregson-Williams on Covenant.
Yes, movie is finished but he meant to be its composer. And he's not.
Well, his agent only said that he is "no longer involved with the film". That's all the facts we currently have. Nothing about his work not being used in the film, that's just speculation.
Villeneuve finished editing several weeks ago. A week or so after that BR 2049 got it's MPAA rating. Villeneuve is currently in Russia promoting the film, so that baby is done and dusted, don't see why Jóhannsson would still be hanging around.
A bit of trivia with regards to the original BR Johnnie Walker Whisky bottle, in over 35 years no-one has managed to discover the donor bottle. Only possible theory is that it was custom blown for the film. Apparently it also appeared in the film without Johnnie Walker's knowledge or permission. The BR Whisky bottle appeared again in Annie (1982 film) that was also filmed at the Burkbank studios just after Blade Runner finished.
The Tsing Tao bottle (which was supposed to be Vodka) was originally a real vodka bottle, the limited edition Smirnoff de Czar.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 13, 2017, 05:05:24 PM
Well, his agent only said that he is "no longer involved with the film". That's all the facts we currently have. Nothing about his work not being used in the film, that's just speculation.
Villeneuve finished editing several weeks ago. A week or so after that BR 2049 got it's MPAA rating. Villeneuve is currently in Russia promoting the film, so that baby is done and dusted, don't see why Jóhannsson would still be hanging around.
So why did they hire him and then asked Zimmer for help? Johansson started composing first and now we won't hear any of his music in the movie. That's weird. Maybe studio didn't like it?
PS. I'm gonna buy this whisky :)
QuoteSo why did they hire him and then asked Zimmer for help? Johansson started composing first and now we won't hear any of his music in the movie. That's weird. Maybe studio didn't like it?
IIRC, Johansson requested Zimmer's help himself. He said something about the project being a bit overwhelming, or something to that effect. I'll check it up later on google. I'm sure Johansson's work is still in the picture.
It's not that unusual in Hollywood. Prometheus' score for example was composed by Marc Streitenfeld but they also got Harry Gregson-Williams in to do additional tracks.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 13, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
PS. I'm gonna buy this whisky :)
It's a very limited run, you'll have to be quick!
Question is, will you be drinking it before or after watching the movie? ;D
That title music is good but nothing more.
Hans Zimmer is Overrated. The original music by Vangelis is WAY BETTER.
Vangelis' score is legendary.
and
BR 2049 tracking for a reasonable opening weekend though I wonder what it's production budget was.
Quote from: The Hollywood Reporter
@THR: Blade Runner 2049' tracking for $40M-plus U.S. debut
https://twitter.com/THR/status/908330251008311296 (https://twitter.com/THR/status/908330251008311296)
Daryl Hannah is not in this?!
Wtf
Pris is "retired".
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 13, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 13, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
PS. I'm gonna buy this whisky :)
Question is, will you be drinking it before or after watching the movie? ;D
After, from joy ;)
https://twitter.com/iTunesTrailers/status/908359704639766529 (https://twitter.com/iTunesTrailers/status/908359704639766529)
Ah yes, that's the Sapper short that got pulled the other day.
Mmm... Villenue still says that Luke Scott directed it.
Better quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAktiFSPXMY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAktiFSPXMY)
Cowboy Bebop director working on a short anime prequel to Blade Runner 2049.
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https://twitter.com/bladerunnerJP/status/908465396830806016 (https://twitter.com/bladerunnerJP/status/908465396830806016)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=924olvhb2pU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=924olvhb2pU)
QuoteOne of anime's most prolific directors will contribute his own short film to the Blade Runner universe, adding to Warner Bros.' ongoing mission to bridge the events that occurred in the 30 year gap between Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049.
"Blade Runner: Black Out 2022," directed by Shinichirô Watanabe, best known for the 1998 Cowboy Bebop anime series and his contributions to The Animatrix, takes place three years after Blade Runner. In the above clip, Watanabe can be seen working on concept art for the film, which can be seen below.
2022 may seem like an inconsequential year, but according to Warner Bros.' official timeline of the events that occurred between Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049, in 2022 "an EMP detonation caused a global blackout that has massive, destructive implications all over the world."
It's difficult to determine whether Watanabe's short film will focus on the events leading up to the black out, the actual EMP detonation or the after effect of the explosion. Based on Warner Bros.' timeline, we know that a year after the black out, replicants were officially prohibited. By 2025, Wallace Corp., a new company led by Niander Wallace (Jared Leto), discovered a way to end world hunger and breath new life into the dark city.
Warner Bros. has released a couple of other short films to help explain the 30-year gap between Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049. One focused on Wallace's character and the other, released yesterday, introduced Dave Bautista's Sapper. Blade Runner: Black Out 2022 will be available to watch on Sept. 26.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/15/16311594/blade-runner-2049-anime-cowboy-bebop
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QuoteTHR reported that Blade Runner 2049 would be on track for a box office opening in the range of at least $40 million when it hits theaters next month. The story was updated to report an estimated budget ranging from "well north" of $150 million to as much as $185 million, after previously reporting it to be at least $100 million. If the latest numbers are accurate, the film's cost would fall short of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2's estimated budget of $200 million. The Fate of the Furious stands as the most expensive movie of 2017, checking in at $250 million.
http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-estimated-budget/
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 16, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
QuoteTHR reported that Blade Runner 2049 would be on track for a box office opening in the range of at least $40 million when it hits theaters next month. The story was updated to report an estimated budget ranging from "well north" of $150 million to as much as $185 million, after previously reporting it to be at least $100 million. If the latest numbers are accurate, the film's cost would fall short of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2's estimated budget of $200 million. The Fate of the Furious stands as the most expensive movie of 2017, checking in at $250 million.
http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-estimated-budget/
Bad news. Huge budget.
This needs 500 Million USD Worldwide.
I doubt the budget would have been more than $150 million, it's an R-Rated film after-all. Probably more likely something in the region of $120 million or they're just asking for a box office bomb.
I'm hearing rumours that Sean Young was secretly filmed for BR2049. So perhaps she will just be digitally de-aged for the film instead of being replaced by a full CGI double. Or just play her actual age.
Quote"Sean Young will feature in the new film," says our source. "She filmed the scenes in secret with minimal crew knowing about it, and even the editors have been on lockdown about her appearance."
The source added: "Her appearance is being used to aid interest in the movie closer to the time of release. What people forget is that while 'Blade Runner' is seen as an iconic sci-fi classic, in 1982 it flopped at the box office. This time they want it to be an immediate success."
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/sean-young-secretly-filmed-scenes-blade-runner-sequel-article-1.3498476
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 16, 2017, 04:46:50 PM
I doubt the budget would have been more than $150 million, it's an R-Rated film after-all. Probably more likely something in the region of $120 million or they're just asking for a box office bomb.
To be honest I'm not bothered if it's gonna bomb or not. Not my money. All I want is to see a great BR movie. And if it bombs then I don't mind waiting 35 years for another BR ;)
Score one for Miss Young! Always loved her. :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 16, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
To be honest I'm not bothered if it's gonna bomb or not. Not my money. All I want is to see a great BR movie. And if it bombs then I don't mind waiting 35 years for another BR ;)
Same here. Last thing I want is for them to start stamping these out like Transformers movies.
Unsurprisingly, there will also be an art book:
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In Texas everything is always BIGGER.
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 18, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Unsurprisingly, there will also be an art book:
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I want it now!
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Great read:
https://www.wired.com/2017/09/behind-the-scenes-blade-runner-2049-sequel/
"Too Marvel." :D
Love it.
"I don't give a shit." Sure you don't, Riddles. :laugh:
"I used to get drunk regularly with Harrison during filming." -Sir Ridley Scott
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2017, 10:34:56 AM
Great read:
https://www.wired.com/2017/09/behind-the-scenes-blade-runner-2049-sequel/
Yeah it is, very well researched.
New featurette:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pggDr1wmcoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pggDr1wmcoE)
PS. I see Jóhann Jóhannsson is no longer credited for the music so that report from earlier may be true.
"The key is to move forward and don't waste your time in the past".
It's a great way of thinking, Ridley Scott.
Two reasons to see the movie now.
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7vvGYOFtO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7vvGYOFtO0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpzFOHEO8Sc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpzFOHEO8Sc)
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Quote from: genocyber on Sep 20, 2017, 12:02:31 AM
Two reasons to see the movie now.
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I see three reasons. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWqsAEB_kO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWqsAEB_kO0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSrX7a9MiE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSrX7a9MiE0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC5bFwkrTss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC5bFwkrTss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PkebAJN_s0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PkebAJN_s0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3VUSZXTF_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3VUSZXTF_s)
Looks like Marilyn Monroe will also be in BR2049.
Lots of behind the scenes footage in this "making of Blade Runner 2049" documentary by Vice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inC4OXEWIBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inC4OXEWIBs)
[EDIT] Damn! Another video that got pulled. Didn't even have time to finish watching it myself.
[EDIT 2] ...and it's back! For now. Watch it while you can folks.
I think at this point I'm going to abstain from watching any more videos. Some of the shots are becoming so familiar to me that I'm worried the movie itself might lose some punch. See you all in the cinema! ;D
The cast and crew of 'Blade Runner 2049' look back on the Original Film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDq9iFCuFMw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDq9iFCuFMw)
Great stuff 8th.
Few years ago I wouldn't have dreamed that I would ever watch BR sequel. It's gonna be my movie of the year.
The videos are coming in so thick and fast now it's almost impossible to keep up!
One or two brief new shots in this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7aolJn6eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7aolJn6eo)
There seems to be a bigger buzz on social media with BR2049 than there was with Covenant. Wonder how it will translate into box office sales.
It has the advantage of being only the second Blade Runner movie. And having an all-star cast with Gosling, Ford, Leto, Penn, Bautista, Oscar-nominee Abdi, and as a bonus, Olmos is returning.
And it also has the greatest cinematographer alive attached. And the original writer onboard. And Ridley in a PRODUCING capacity. And the dude who directed ARRIVAL and PRISONERS.
Meanwhile Covenant, while it had a pretty good cast and crew, it doesn't compare. Fassbender, Scott, Logan, Green, Harper(these writers' collective brainpower couldn't concoct something more than a jumbled mess of a chase movie??? Then why hire them???), Wolszki... all great members of the cast and crew, but nothing on BR's. People like Crudup and McBride should've had Seimetz or Rigby level roles, not a part of the main core. In any other blockbuster, like a Marvel film, that would've been the case. They're fine actors, but 3 or 4 rungs too high on the ladder.
Fassbender, Franco, Hardy, Rebecca Ferguson... these are the people who should've been within the top 5. Theeeen when you trickle down you get to the Crudups, McBrides, and Bichirs... that would've been more reflective of a blockbuster-y movie.
BishopShouldGo agree.
It will do much better than Denis's Arrival with its 203 millions at box office. Few things:
It's Blade Runner universe with its mythos which people now love. It's not 82 anymore. Movie goers love dystopian stuff.
It's got La La Land Gosling.
It's got Harrison Indy and Han Solo Ford.
It's got Roger Deakins.
It's gonna be a massive hit in Asia and Europe for sure. It will do better than Covenant. I predict 400.
I must admit it's a bit crazy. So many TV spots. I don't even remember which one I've already seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y9AXu9dhM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y9AXu9dhM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4QfQyw5ttA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4QfQyw5ttA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6B0bNKvV7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6B0bNKvV7g)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCeP88zlHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCeP88zlHY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NaPzJr_BAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NaPzJr_BAI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzhNADgS9so (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzhNADgS9so)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYyFzu3O0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYyFzu3O0s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkG95RHwfY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkG95RHwfY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzMfal7xo0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzMfal7xo0Y)
It's amazing the soundtrack isn't up for preorder yet. Hopefully we won't have to make do with a New American Orchestra cover version for the next twelve years! :D
QuoteVarious tracking services currently have the R-rated Denis Villeneuve-directed movie opening between $43M-$47M stateside and going day and date pretty much everywhere with Korea and Japan a tad later. Nancy Tartaglione also reports that the pic has been cleared by China censors with a release date still TBD there. Sony is handling overseas and co-funded the film with Alcon.
http://deadline.com/2017/09/blade-runner-2049-advance-ticket-sales-box-office-opening-projection-1202174871/
With all these trailers and other videos, have we seen the whole film yet?
Quote from: SM on Sep 22, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
With all these trailers and other videos, have we seen the whole film yet?
There're almost the same with some extra footage in each one of them.
Haven't watched them. Watched the main trailers and really don't have much idea what the story is for this and am happy to keep it that way till it comes out.
I don't recall so many promos for a movie in recent memory though.
Well, apparently they spent something between 150 to 185 millions (excluding promotion) to make it. I just guess but we might talk about 220-250 millions in total. It's the final stretch for studio to make sure people will sit their butts at cinemas.
Quote from: SM on Sep 22, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
With all these trailers and other videos, have we seen the whole film yet?
I think if we ask SiL to piece all these telly spots and trailers together we should pretty much have the whole film.
Though to be fair, I've watched everything they put out so far and I still haven't the foggiest what the story is for this. They're keeping a tight lid on plot details, unlike Covenant which I already knew every little detail weeks before release.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 22, 2017, 08:56:21 AM
QuoteVarious tracking services currently have the R-rated Denis Villeneuve-directed movie opening between $43M-$47M stateside and going day and date pretty much everywhere with Korea and Japan a tad later. Nancy Tartaglione also reports that the pic has been cleared by China censors with a release date still TBD there. Sony is handling overseas and co-funded the film with Alcon.
http://deadline.com/2017/09/blade-runner-2049-advance-ticket-sales-box-office-opening-projection-1202174871/
I think Fury Road opened to about $45M and still went on to do reasonably well. If the film is actually good and gets the kind of word of mouth and critical reception that Fury Road got it might make $400M. It's going to be f*cking huge in Japan, that place is seriously into Blade Runner. They won't have to wait long for it either like with Covenant.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 22, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Well, apparently they spent something between 150 to 185 millions (excluding promotion) to make it. I just guess but we might talk about 220-250 millions in total. It's the final stretch for studio to make sure people will sit their butts at cinemas.
I think Wired said $150M, same as Fury Road. But yeah, the marketing budget for this is huge. Luckily in this case the risk is shared by two big studios.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 21, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
It's amazing the soundtrack isn't up for preorder yet. Hopefully we won't have to make do with a New American Orchestra cover version for the next twelve years! :D
Big question is, will we ever get to hear Jóhann Jóhannsson's version of the soundtrack?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
Big question is, will we ever get to hear Jóhann Jóhannsson's version of the soundtrack?
I hope so. One day he might publish it on social media unless he's gonna use it for other films.
First press screening tonight. Not sure if we'll get reviews this soon or whether there will be an embargo until release.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 03:43:57 PM
First press screening tonight. Not sure if we'll get reviews this soon or whether there will be an embargo until release.
Embargo for sure but we'll get first reactions on twitter.
Ok, keep an eye on this account. It will be screened in LA.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 21, 2017, 09:13:20 PM
It has the advantage of being only the second Blade Runner movie. And having an all-star cast with Gosling, Ford, Leto, Penn, Bautista, Oscar-nominee Abdi, and as a bonus, Olmos is returning.
And it also has the greatest cinematographer alive attached. And the original writer onboard. And Ridley in a PRODUCING capacity. And the dude who directed ARRIVAL and PRISONERS.
Meanwhile Covenant, while it had a pretty good cast and crew, it doesn't compare. Fassbender, Scott, Logan, Green, Harper(these writers' collective brainpower couldn't concoct something more than a jumbled mess of a chase movie??? Then why hire them???), Wolszki... all great members of the cast and crew, but nothing on BR's. People like Crudup and McBride should've had Seimetz or Rigby level roles, not a part of the main core. In any other blockbuster, like a Marvel film, that would've been the case. They're fine actors, but 3 or 4 rungs too high on the ladder.
Fassbender, Franco, Hardy, Rebecca Ferguson... these are the people who should've been within the top 5. Theeeen when you trickle down you get to the Crudups, McBrides, and Bichirs... that would've been more reflective of a blockbuster-y movie.
The greatest cinematographer alive is another man, a mexican no less. His name is Emmanuel Lubezki.
Deakins or Lubezki? What the difference? It's like choosing between apples and oranges. Everyone's got his own taste.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 22, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
Deakins or Lubezki? What the difference? It's like choosing between apples and oranges. Everyone's got his own taste.
Deakins 0 Oscars. Lubezki won 3 Oscars back to back to back and is the only man in history to do that.
PierreVW you are a true man of wisdom. I didn't know that Lubezki won three Oscars in the row. Thank you immensely for enlightened me.
I don't care about Oscars but I can see that you do. Fair enough. Then tell me please, how many Oscars for the best director (I don't mean the best picture) has your beloved Sir Ridley Scott won? Let me answer because it may be a bit painful for you: Z-E-R-O. Following your logic (not mine) directors like Kevin Costner, Anthony Minghella, Ron Howard, Kathryn Bigelow or even Michel Hazanavicius are better than Sir Ridley because they have won and he hasn't.
Little advice: don't measure somebody's artistic skills by awards. They are relative.
Almost forgot. According to your thinking even Peter Jackson is better than Sir Ridley. Holy moly! How will you digest that?
Peter J was robbed on Braindead.
Two short clips from the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-BCwo25F88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-BCwo25F88)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAcaPh6L1VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAcaPh6L1VU)
Thanks 8th. I like the first clip. It's humorous. Surprisingly.
Posted before but this time with English subtitles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0RCfcaols (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0RCfcaols)
Tickets booked for IMAX, Thursday October 5th!
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 22, 2017, 06:31:10 PM
PierreVW you are a true man of wisdom. I didn't know that Lubezki won three Oscars in the row. Thank you immensely for enlightened me.
I don't care about Oscars but I can see that you do. Fair enough. Then tell me please, how many Oscars for the best director (I don't mean the best picture) has your beloved Sir Ridley Scott won? Let me answer because it may be a bit painful for you: Z-E-R-O. Following your logic (not mine) directors like Kevin Costner, Anthony Minghella, Ron Howard, Kathryn Bigelow or even Michel Hazanavicius are better than Sir Ridley because they have won and he hasn't.
Little advice: don't measure somebody's artistic skills by awards. They are relative.
Almost forgot. According to your thinking even Peter Jackson is better than Sir Ridley. Holy moly! How will you digest that?
No need for your insults.
I don't care for the Oscars.
My favorites of all time never won: Ridley Scott, Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcok, Akira Kurosawa, Michael Mann, etc....
Oscars are a joke to me.
Why did you bring them up then?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 09:59:32 PM
Two short clips from the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-BCwo25F88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-BCwo25F88)
Interesting redo of the Esper scene.
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 23, 2017, 06:30:43 AM
No need for your insults.
I don't care for the Oscars.
Oscars are a joke to me.
No offence but you're insulting yourself. First you compare Deakins with Lubezki in context of Oscars saying that Lubezki is better because he won 3 in the row and then you say that ... Oscars are a joke to you. Anyway, case closed.
Quote from: SM on Sep 23, 2017, 06:36:18 AM
Interesting redo of the Esper scene.
Thought exactly the same. Wonder how many nods/tributes to the original we gonna see in this one.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
Ok, keep an eye on this account. It will be screened in LA.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568)
Page doesn't exist anymore :)
Did that guy just bust through that wall? Is he super human? shit what a spoiler!
It's in the trailer as well. Looks like he is special (replicant?) according Joi, character played Ana de Armas.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 23, 2017, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 23, 2017, 06:30:43 AM
No need for your insults.
I don't care for the Oscars.
Oscars are a joke to me.
No offence but you're insulting yourself. First you compare Deakins with Lubezki in context of Oscars saying that Lubezki is better because he won 3 in the row and then you say that ... Oscars are a joke to you. Anyway, case closed.
Quote from: SM on Sep 23, 2017, 06:36:18 AM
Interesting redo of the Esper scene.
Thought exactly the same. Wonder how many nods/tributes to the original we gonna see in this one.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
Ok, keep an eye on this account. It will be screened in LA.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568)
Page doesn't exist anymore :)
The case of Lubezki is different. He is the only man in history who won 3 Oscars in 3 consecutive years. Oscars are a joke to me but his record still is very impressive.
As I said, any award is relative. But yes, it's impressive to win 3 times in a row. However you have to consider the fact that Gravity won Oscar for best director, Birman for best director and best picture and The Revenant for best director. In these cases it is "easier" to win for best cinematography. Lubezki got "lucky" because movies he participated with won in the most important categories.
Deakins has received thirteen nominations. That's impressive as well.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 23, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
As I said, any award is relative. But yes, it's impressive to win 3 times in a row. However you have to consider the fact that Gravity won Oscar for best director, Birman for best director and best picture and The Revenant for best director. In these cases it is "easier" to win for best cinematography. Lubezki got "lucky" because movies he participated with won in the most important categories.
Deakins has received thirteen nominations. That's impressive as well.
It's a matter of taste. We have different tastes.
Deakins is more old school. You are more old school. Very classic style. I think Deakins was kind of a mistake for a futuristic movie like the sequel of BLADE RUNNER.
Lubezki is more modern and experimental. To be precise: my favorites movies of Lubezki are his collaborations with Terrence Malick. Very different, experimental and modern.
How do you know what I like? I love experimental staff. One of my favourite movies are In the Mood for Love and Chungking Express with Christopher Doyle as cinematographer. Besides, I've never said I prefer Deakins over Lubezki. Both are great. And I cannot agree about Deakins being a mistake for BR2049. It looks amazing.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 23, 2017, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
Ok, keep an eye on this account. It will be screened in LA.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911244194257133568)
Page doesn't exist anymore :)
Damn, he's not even allowed to say which film he saw, nevermind first reactions.
QuoteI saw a film tonight.
I'm now working on questions to ask the filmmakers/actors for that film.
I sit down with cast & director tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911496211240181761 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcCarthyTV/status/911496211240181761)
QuoteUS/LA press saw #BladeRunner2049 (the full film, not 20 mins that non-US press got) last night it seems.
Quoteembargoed atm, hearing it will lift sometime today or tomorrow? We'll see
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/911508342870282240 (https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/911508342870282240)
https://twitter.com/andmichaelgreen/status/912004562512363520 (https://twitter.com/andmichaelgreen/status/912004562512363520)
^
I'll get the tar and feathers ready.
https://twitter.com/jasonosia/status/912037797338472449 (https://twitter.com/jasonosia/status/912037797338472449)
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More images here:
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-new-images-ryan-gosling/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social#sylvia-hoeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipjIUkLCOk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipjIUkLCOk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKjPf1q-lUE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKjPf1q-lUE)
First reactions are in and it's not looking good. Not good at all folks... :'(
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393)
https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041 (https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041)
https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960 (https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608)
https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976 (https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976)
https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225 (https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225)
https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457
(https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457)
https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472 (https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
First reactions are in and it's not looking good. Not good at all folks... :'(
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393)
https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041 (https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041)
https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960 (https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608)
https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976 (https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976)
https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225 (https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225)
https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457
(https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457)
https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472 (https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864)
Spoiler
Son of a bitch. :laugh:
Spoiler
Also... Seagal? :laugh:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKqZldKXcAAe72X.jpg)
Does look a bit like him, is that even from the film? :laugh:
New Blade Runner 2049 Anime prequel:
Black Out 2022https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVPl3NavWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVPl3NavWM)
And more doom and gloom... :'(
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/912711994712645632
(https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/912711994712645632)
https://twitter.com/AliPlumb/status/912718830446825472 (https://twitter.com/AliPlumb/status/912718830446825472)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708352634847232 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708352634847232)
https://twitter.com/ryanlambie/status/912730788071968772 (https://twitter.com/ryanlambie/status/912730788071968772)
Mr. Clemens, there's still time to cancel your tickets.
The anime is pretty cool, almost ruined by that terrible end credits song though.
Anime was the best of the shorts.
Plot, characters, action, aesthetics, music, everything was firing on all cilinders.
except the end credits song. :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
First reactions are in and it's not looking good. Not good at all folks... :'(
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708358724923393)
https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041 (https://twitter.com/WeLiveNetwork/status/912714270621655041)
https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960 (https://twitter.com/bwood0824/status/912708367621160960)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708360574660608)
https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976 (https://twitter.com/CinematicBanter/status/912710073394302976)
https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225 (https://twitter.com/jessehawken/status/912710757221044225)
https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457
(https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/912710609661075457)
https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472 (https://twitter.com/WilliamBibbiani/status/912714217509097472)
https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864 (https://twitter.com/DrewDietsch/status/912708355453476864)
You nearly made me to have a heart attack! Damn you! ;)
Look at the cast in this anime. James Olmos as Gaff :).
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Mr. Clemens, there's still time to cancel your tickets.
Everybody's a chlamydian! :D :D :D
It seems the only weak aspect is the Music.
Nobody is talking about the Soundtrack.
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 26, 2017, 10:02:29 PM
It seems the only weak aspect is the Music.
Nobody is talking about the Soundtrack.
Quoted from a poster on Reddit that claims to have seen the movie:
"For the soundtrack fans: The music is definitely not "your standard Zimmer". Wallfisch and Zimmer were certainly inspired by Vangelis, but did not copy him. And for the purists, there is an important bit of Vangelis' music present."
"Without giving a specific answer: Don't base your opinions about the soundtrack on anything you heard in the trailers."
Here's another link to the Blade Runner Black Out 2022 anime short as the one I posted previously was taken down because CrunchyRoll has exclusive screening rights to it or some shit. Probably won't be active for long so watch while you still can. Hopefully it will be on the Blu-Ray release as it's definitely the best of the shorts so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnFVnbpz3lQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnFVnbpz3lQ)
Will you get me a cup of tea, luv?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzWBNUr8Zo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzWBNUr8Zo)
Adam Savage of "Tested" is also gushing over the movie, it's looking good people :)
Quote from: N-Shifter on Sep 27, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
Adam Savage of "Tested" is also gushing over the movie, it's looking good people :)
He's always gushing over
everything though. But here's the vidcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9F3U3Pax8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9F3U3Pax8)
QuoteReview embargo for BLADE RUNNER 2049 has changed to tomorrow morning.
https://twitter.com/dtuck318/status/913421687475113987 (https://twitter.com/dtuck318/status/913421687475113987)
Blade Runner: Blackout 2022 has now been officially released so this link should be a little bit more enduring than the previous ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieEBM7wumc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieEBM7wumc)
A little bit more on Ana de Armas' character, Joi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Po9DiEanNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Po9DiEanNk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92JemwO_KI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92JemwO_KI)
The reviews are starting to come in:
Disclaimer:
[Note that the EW, Empire and Wired reviews are only mildly spoilery while The Guardian drops a significant plot point. Read at your own risk]
The Guardian, 5 Stars:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/29/blade-runner-2049-review-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-denis-villeneuve (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/29/blade-runner-2049-review-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-denis-villeneuve)
Entertainment Weekly, A-:
http://ew.com/movies/2017/09/29/blade-runner-2049-review/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter (http://ew.com/movies/2017/09/29/blade-runner-2049-review/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter)
Wired:
https://www.wired.com/story/blade-runner-2049-review (https://www.wired.com/story/blade-runner-2049-review)
Empire, 5 stars
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/blade-runner-2049/review/ (http://www.empireonline.com/movies/blade-runner-2049/review/)
Empire, 5 Stars
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/blade-runner-2049/review/
The Telegraph, 5 Stars
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/blade-runner-2049-review-one-spectacular-provocative-profound/
Independent, 5 Stars
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/blade-runner-2049-review-five-star-sequel-may-be-better-than-the-original-a7973621.html
https://twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/913777747322970112 (https://twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/913777747322970112)
RT 97
Average Rating: 8.9/10
Reviews Counted: 34
Fresh: 33
Rotten: 1
IGN, 9.7
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/09/29/blade-runner-2049-review
Flickering Myth, 5 Stars
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/09/movie-review-blade-runner-2049-2017/
Non-spoiler review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4baghn5cKkg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4baghn5cKkg)
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 29, 2017, 03:57:18 PM
RT 97
Average Rating: 8.9/10
Reviews Counted: 34
Fresh: 33
Rotten: 1
Blockbuster of the year?
Ha, I see it's Forbes that gave it a rotten. Meddlesome didn't like the first movie either. ::)
I'm still waiting for Mark Kermode's review. He knows the original film very, very well, even filmed a documentary of it for the BBC long before Dangerous Days came along. I'm also waiting for Charles de Lauzirika's approval before they can have my money. :laugh:
They'll have your money. Kermode will love it. Mark my words!
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 29, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
They'll have your money. Kermode will love it. Mark my words!
I see what you did there! :laugh:
Coincidence ;D
A slightly more measured review from THR: [Very minor spoilers]
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/blade-runner-2049-review-1044127 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/blade-runner-2049-review-1044127)
Thanks for the reviews! I'm not going to read them. :D
Man, I cringed when this movie was announced, and now it's looking like the best thing since sliced bread. Never happier to be wrong!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 29, 2017, 05:49:21 PM
Thanks for the reviews! I'm not going to read them. :D
Man, I cringed when this movie was announced, and now it's looking like the best thing since sliced bread. Never happier to be wrong!
I'm not convinced. Dunkirk got the greatest reviews too.
And Denis Villeneuve is the new christopher nolan.
I could ending hating this sequel.
You're not convinced? Well, you have to see the movie by yourself.
And what does it mean to be 'new Christopher Nolan'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPn-xuifKFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPn-xuifKFg)
Kermode's hair would certainly fit in the BR universe.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 29, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
And what does it mean to be 'new Christopher Nolan'?
Maybe it means that he's the talented director that a minority hates for being popular with the mainstream? :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exrt6l3CMys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exrt6l3CMys)
Let's be honest, Nolan kinda sucks.
Batman trilogy? Sucks.
Inception? Kinda veers into unintentional comedy at times if you ask me.
Interstellar? Visually amazing, story severely lacking.
Completely unrelated to 2049, but I watched the original last night at the cinema, brilliant. Still noticing things to this day. I had two thoughts though -
Is the eye at the start looking at the screen possibly Deckard being made?
How does Roy know Deckards name?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 29, 2017, 08:14:28 PM
Kermode's hair would certainly fit in the BR universe.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 29, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
And what does it mean to be 'new Christopher Nolan'?
Maybe it means that he's the talented director that a minority hates for being popular with the mainstream? :laugh:
No. It means the "It" Director who is the God of RT and MC. First it was Nolan. Now, All RT and MC adore Villeneuve.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Sep 29, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
Let's be honest, Nolan kinda sucks.
Batman trilogy? Sucks.
Inception? Kinda veers into unintentional comedy at times if you ask me.
Interstellar? Visually amazing, story severely lacking.
I agree 100%.
Quote from: Highland on Sep 30, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
Completely unrelated to 2049, but I watched the original last night at the cinema, brilliant. Still noticing things to this day. I had two thoughts though -
Is the eye at the start looking at the screen possibly Deckard being made?
How does Roy know Deckards name?
I don't know about your second question.
About your first question: It's very, very possible. I'm 100% sure Deckard is a Replicant.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 29, 2017, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 29, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
And what does it mean to be 'new Christopher Nolan'?
Maybe it means that he's the talented director that a minority hates for being popular with the mainstream? :laugh:
Villeneuve is no Nolan. Nolan is a very pretentious director who pretends he is Kubrick and is massively overrated because of all the hoopla over those Batman films. Villeneuve has made some interesting films that are not pretentious like Polytechnique and Enemy. I look forward to Blade Runner 2049.
*Nothing against Christopher Nolan fans. :)
Quote from: tleilaxu on Sep 29, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
Let's be honest, Nolan kinda sucks.
Batman trilogy? Sucks.
Inception? Kinda veers into unintentional comedy at times if you ask me.
Interstellar? Visually amazing, story severely lacking.
If you said that 5 years ago you'd have a mob chasing after you with pitchforks. :P
I think it's ok not to like Nolan films, to say he sucks though is disingenuous.
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 30, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
No. It means the "It" Director who is the God of RT and MC. First it was Nolan. Now, All RT and MC adore Villeneuve.
You are simply jealous because a lot of Scott's movies didn't do well on RT and MC. And speaking about god it looks like you have found yours. It's called Sir Ridley Scott.
I think people can get hung up on who a director is. Scott's made great films, crap films and mediocre films.
Nolan, similarly. Celebrate the good, ignore the crap.
Probably one of the best interviews with Denis regarding 2049.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-B10rmUs9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-B10rmUs9Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0e7gJWQXIo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0e7gJWQXIo)
About Bowie and a bit about Jóhann Jóhannsson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jehrt7w2_WA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jehrt7w2_WA)
Hyped. Seeing it on thursday.
Same here. Just bought the ticket.
Quote from: Highland on Sep 30, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
Completely unrelated to 2049, but I watched the original last night at the cinema, brilliant. Still noticing things to this day. I had two thoughts though -
Is the eye at the start looking at the screen possibly Deckard being made?
According to the shooting notes it was supposed to be Holden's eye. Ridley later changed his mind about that and said it was supposed to be "Big Brother's" eye.
Quote from: Highland on Sep 30, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
How does Roy know Deckards name?
In one of Fancher's earlier drafts, the replicants hack into the police computer (Esper) and find out that Deckard is assigned to track them down. That's also how Batty knows that Zhora and Leon has been "retired" without having witnessed their deaths. It's just one of the casualties of the numerous script re-writes.
Quote from: Highland on Sep 30, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
Still noticing things to this day.
With regards to Deckard's human/replicant status, have you picked up the third clue yet?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
With regards to Deckard's human/replicant status, have you picked up the third clue yet?
The unicorn, the eyes... what's the third thing?
I've always joked that the jaw-droppingly complex sheet music on the piano is proof. Only a robot could play that! :D
It's Deckard's collection of photos, I think.
Nope, although the photo's could also be seen as a minor clue. Both Rachael and Leon were very fond of their old photographs but it's not conclusive evidence.
Here's a hint:
Spoiler
You can see it right at the beginning when Deckard is first introduced.
Oh, I remember! Tom Southwell's neon of the Chinese word for 'origin' behind him, right?
Nope, but you're getting very warm. ;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
Nope, but you're getting very warm. ;D
Interesting!
Only two things that I can think of that I never quite understood that might be it.
When he asks the vendor for 4 but he replies 2? ( Always assumed this was just some sort of language barrier)
When Gaff makes the Chicken? ( Again, never understood if this was a chicken and the egg type thing)
Ha, no!
Here's another clue:
Spoiler
Ridley often gave the replicants odd/bizarre little quirks to show that they were not quite like us. For example, we see Pris' hair stand on end like that of a cat when she's angry/fighting. We also see her roll her eyes up into the back of her head like a doll and she makes these very quick inhuman and birdlike movements while listening to Deckard's approaching footsteps.
Ridley also did something to indicate that Deckard might not be all he seemed early during the noodle bar scene.
And I'm pretty sure Ford wasn't even aware of it (as with his glowing eyes shot), else I'm sure he would have objected.
This just popped up on Facebook:
https://bladerunner2049.shop.musictoday.com/store/ (https://bladerunner2049.shop.musictoday.com/store/)
No mention of a more general release to follow.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 01, 2017, 02:59:44 PMRidley often gave the replicants odd/bizarre little quirks to show that they were not quite like us. For example, we see Pris' hair stand on end like that of a cat when she's angry/fighting. We also see her roll her eyes up into the back of her head like a doll and she makes these very quick inhuman and birdlike movements while listening to Deckard's approaching footsteps.
Ridley also did something to indicate that Deckard might not be all he seemed early during the noodle bar scene.
And I'm pretty sure Ford wasn't even aware of it (as with his glowing eyes shot), else I'm sure he would have objected.
Are you sure you're not reading too much into things? All those examples were readily apparent to me but I'm struggling to pick out anything strange about Deckard's behaviour at the noodle bar...
Lots of new shots, behind the scenes footage and concept art in this Spike TV BR2049 feature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGHc_osMPs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGHc_osMPs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL-ohkwM3U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL-ohkwM3U)
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 01, 2017, 04:04:21 PM
All those examples were readily apparent to me but I'm struggling to pick out anything strange about Deckard's behaviour at the noodle bar...
Not so much his behaviour, like I said, I don't think Ford was even aware of it. You're going to kick yourself when you find out. :laugh:
My son and I are sitting down to watch it again tonight, so you bet I'll be keeping my eyes peeled... :D
Keep those eyes glued to the telly. ;)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 01, 2017, 04:42:05 PM
Lots of new shots, behind the scenes footage and concept art in this Spike TV BR2049 feature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGHc_osMPs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGHc_osMPs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL-ohkwM3U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL-ohkwM3U)
QuoteThe video contains content from Channel 5, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Shit :)
Damn, there must be a Warner or Sony rep watching this thread because every-time I post a video of questionable origin it gets taken down within an hour. :laugh:
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 30, 2017, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 30, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
No. It means the "It" Director who is the God of RT and MC. First it was Nolan. Now, All RT and MC adore Villeneuve.
You are simply jealous because a lot of Scott's movies didn't do well on RT and MC. And speaking about god it looks like you have found yours. It's called Sir Ridley Scott.
Like I said in the past: I don't care about RT and MC. You do.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 01, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
Ha, no!
Here's another clue:
Spoiler
Ridley often gave the replicants odd/bizarre little quirks to show that they were not quite like us. For example, we see Pris' hair stand on end like that of a cat when she's angry/fighting. We also see her roll her eyes up into the back of her head like a doll and she makes these very quick inhuman and birdlike movements while listening to Deckard's approaching footsteps.
Ridley also did something to indicate that Deckard might not be all he seemed early during the noodle bar scene.
And I'm pretty sure Ford wasn't even aware of it (as with his glowing eyes shot), else I'm sure he would have objected.
Mmmm.... rubbing the chopsticks?
He does have some odd head turns, nothing I can see that's obvious though.
Edit: Hang on which cut of the movie are we talking about
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 01, 2017, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 30, 2017, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 30, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
No. It means the "It" Director who is the God of RT and MC. First it was Nolan. Now, All RT and MC adore Villeneuve.
You are simply jealous because a lot of Scott's movies didn't do well on RT and MC. And speaking about god it looks like you have found yours. It's called Sir Ridley Scott.
Like I said in the past: I don't care about RT and MC. You do.
You contradict yourself almost every time. Unbelievable. If you don't care about RT and MC then why did you mention about them in the first place calling Nolan and Denis
Gods of RT and MC?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 01, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
Keep those eyes glued to the telly. ;)
Suspected this might have been a clue to those tvs in the window behind Deck, but that's a bust. Watched it projected on an 84" screen, and came up nil.
If this mysterious 'third clue' really exists, I think you're the only one in the world who knows what it is! I mean, surely Paul Sammon would have mentioned it... right?
If it was a snake it would have bitten you Mr. Clemens.
Spoiler
The noodle bar scene opens with Deckard leaning against the glass window of a television store reading a newspaper. All the television screens right behind him show heavily distorted/scrambled images almost as if there were a strong electromagnetic source nearby interfering with the signal.
But when Deckard stands up and walks to the noodle bar, the television screens suddenly all return to normal with no picture interference. This is visible in all cuts of the film and even alternate takes of the scene.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 02, 2017, 07:31:15 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 01, 2017, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 30, 2017, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Sep 30, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
No. It means the "It" Director who is the God of RT and MC. First it was Nolan. Now, All RT and MC adore Villeneuve.
You are simply jealous because a lot of Scott's movies didn't do well on RT and MC. And speaking about god it looks like you have found yours. It's called Sir Ridley Scott.
Like I said in the past: I don't care about RT and MC. You do.
You contradict yourself almost every time. Unbelievable. If you don't care about RT and MC then why did you mention about them in the first place calling Nolan and Denis Gods of RT and MC?
That is only a fact. Nolan is the God of Internet. For example: ALL of his movies(even his mediocre) have the Highest Scores in IMDB.
That doesn't make him the god of Internet. He's just got plenty of fans. Moviegoers like his movies. That's all.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 02, 2017, 05:06:51 PM
If it was a snake it would have bitten you Mr. Clemens.
Spoiler
The noodle bar scene opens with Deckard leaning against the glass window of a television store reading a newspaper. All the television screens right behind him show heavily distorted/scrambled images almost as if there were a strong electromagnetic source nearby interfering with the signal.
But when Deckard stands up and walks to the noodle bar, the television screens suddenly all return to normal with no picture interference. This is visible in all cuts of the film and even alternate takes of the scene.
I've never noticed that before, will no doubt be watching "Blade Runner" again (be about the 3rd time this month alone) before Friday so I'll be sure to look out for this :)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 02, 2017, 05:06:51 PM
If it was a snake it would have bitten you Mr. Clemens.
Spoiler
The noodle bar scene opens with Deckard leaning against the glass window of a television store reading a newspaper. All the television screens right behind him show heavily distorted/scrambled images almost as if there were a strong electromagnetic source nearby interfering with the signal.
But when Deckard stands up and walks to the noodle bar, the television screens suddenly all return to normal with no picture interference. This is visible in all cuts of the film and even alternate takes of the scene.
Really? That's brilliant. Gona look out for that.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 02, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
That doesn't make him the god of Internet. He's just got plenty of fans. Moviegoers like his movies. That's all.
No. In Internet, Nolan have the biggest fanbase by far between everyone.
In real life: Nolan is 7th place. Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson, Lucas, Bay and Zmeckis won a lot more money than him.
And yet if someone used box office earnings to point out Sir Ridley Scott's place you'd say you don't care about box office ???
You're a strange man.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 03, 2017, 05:24:12 AM
In real life: Nolan is 7th place. Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson, Lucas, Bay and Zmeckis won a lot more money than him.
Who cares about box office? Do you judge movies and directors by how much money they have earned?
Parts of long interview with Scott:
QuoteSo with Blade Runner - and you probably get asked this a lot - but how has it been over the last 35 years to see so many things in that film that feel more familiar now than they did back then.
Well, when I did Blade Runner, I'd already been successful since I was about 27. I started my company at 27, and it's 50 years old this year. We've been successful in both London and the US - in fact, the US is the bigger operation. The company still has about 60 directors. So by the time I was... let's see, I was 40 when I did The Duellists, I was 42 when I did Alien, nearly 44 on Blade Runner. I'm really a good businessman. I'm not having any wool pulled over my eyes. I knew exactly what I was walking into.
Because I was a new person on the block - I'd never made a film in Hollywood before. And so what I walked into was not pleasant and was very controlling, and very unionised. And because of that, I was not allowed to work how I'd normally work, because I was a [camera] operator, on 2,500 commercials, on The Duellists, on Alien, I operate. And I couldn't operate on Blade Runner, so that to me was tricky. I spent a lot of time finding the very best person that would pretty well... I'm blessed with a great eye. I've always had a great eye.
And so finding a cameraman who's terrific, who at the time was very ill, from which he would pass away. But he was the best around, Jordan Cronenweth. He had a disease they'd misdiagnosed, so by the time I got to him he was walking with a walking stick and very, very shaky. He had a crew around him who loved him. But my investors said, "Why the f**k did you hire this cameraman?" I said, "Because he's the best in the business."
So between he and I, we put together the way it should look. But then Syd Mead and Lawrence Paull [production designer] and I can draw. Because I was at art school, I can really draw and really paint and really envision. I knew the world I wanted to create, which was a combination of Hong Kong prior to any skyscrapers. I'd shot in Hong Kong before the first bank of Hong Kong went up. Hong Kong was an eastern medieval town - it was incredible. I always fitted that into New York, because in New York I spent a lot of time going in and out for advertising jaunts. New York at that point was smelly and dirty - I didn't like it. It wasn't until [Mayor, Michael] Bloomberg came in and really made it what it is. New York right now is fantastic - bore no relationship to New York in the 60s. But I thought New York meets Hong Kong was it. I had to make a decision as to whether the prevalent nationality would be Mexican, Hispanic, or Chinese. I went Chinese. I think it's gonna be Mexican.
Where did the Noir element come in, because that's what really adds the spice to the sci-fi.
You've got to remember, Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep was an endless book. An endless amount of story. My show is Man In The High Castle. That's my show. So Dick's novel... we fell out, because I carelessly said, "I couldn't get through it." And he was really pissed off. Now I know the family and the daughters and everything, so I think it's all mended. But nevertheless, what I got from the book - I read about 20 pages.
What had happened was, Hampton had buried himself alive in that kind of book, and discovered it was incredibly complex. 19 stories in the first 50 pages. He'd gone for the backbone of the story, which is fundamentally, the quarry falls in love with the hunter. It was all taking place in an apartment - internalised storytelling, as [Philip K] Dick would have. And I was doing Alien, I was mixing Alien, and Michael Deeley came over to me and said, "Read this play that Hampton's written. What do you think?" I said, "I love the writing. I love the writer." I thought about it for almost eight months, because I didn't want to go back and do another science fiction.
Eight months later, I found myself doing Dune, and then I thought, "What am I doing Dune for?" I think Blade Runner, that was a great thing. I went to Hollywood, to cut a long story short, and spent the next five months every day, with probably the best time I've had ever working with a writer. My opening premise with Hampton was, "Right, you've got a story that purports a humanoid, or a robot, that looks so human that you can't tell the difference. And this person falls in love with him. I want to see what it looks like outside. I want to see what the world [looks like], and who's doing this."
From that moment, once we opened the door onto that whole thing, it evolved into this pretty epic universe. And through it, aware or not, I don't think whether I'm doing film noir or any of that shit. I just make movies, and if at the end someone calls it film noir, then so be it. God bless you. Because you never breathe a word of that in Hollywood. They go, "Film noir? I'm out of here, thank you very much. It's too intellectual."
But film noir it was, on a very grand level - Philip Marlowe, really. That's why I'd always diddled around with the idea of voice-over, because Francis had just done a brilliant film called Apocalypse Now, where I think the voice-over was really the third dimension of the film. Because Martin [Sheen] was fundamentally a silent, savage witness through the whole process - and protagonist - but didn't really speak other than to say, "I told you we shouldn't have stopped", having killed the children and the dog. I thought his voice-over was terrific.
So I had that on the side, as a style but not as a necessity. As a style, should we play around with that? Because the film, when it was finished, was so obscure to most people, they were more distracted by the environment - watching the pictures. The story's pretty straightforward. But it's when you're trying to take everything in that you're going, "What? Why is it dark? Why is it always raining?" Etc. And so that was where we employed the idea of voice-over, which to me became even more confusing - it wasn't a good thing to do. Then later, the history was, it was discovered by accident as a print without the voice-over at a film festival.
One thing I'd learned by the time I was that age was, and I had it fully endorsed by a very bad article by Pauline Kael - and you can print this: I was so angry. I'm still angry that she destroyed the film in three and a half full pages of the New Yorker, without mercy. Even becoming personal. And I never met her. Because I'm 44, I'm mature - pretty mature at that point. And I thought, "You know what? I'll never read another piece of criticism about me". I've never read press since. Because if you read press and it's great, the danger is you'll think you rule the world for about half an hour, and you don't, you never do. And if you read bad press, they can be wrong. And she was so f**king wrong. She was wrong to do that. Also, what's wrong about critique is, I can't reply. But I replied to the editor, saying, "If she didn't like the film that much, why did she devote so much time to its destruction?" Why didn't you just ignore me? Ignoring me's fine.
But in any other industry, if I'd been one of the investors, I'd have sued her, because she can kill a movie before it's even off the starting block. To me, that's as bad as industrial espionage.
Why do you think it had that reaction from some quarters?
Because she was an old lady who didn't get it. You can't do that. You can't say, "I don't get why David Hockney painted, I think he's no bloody good." You can't do that! And if you can, it's always that dangerous thing: those that can do, and those who can't teach. Or write about it. I think writing about it is worse, because teaching one of the most important things we have in our communities, which is under the attention... health and teaching are the most important things we can actually support. They're together. Teaching, and health, and welfare are the most important things in society. Other than that, you've got a lot of freeloaders you've got to get rid of.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/ridley-scott/51999/ridley-scott-interview-blade-runner-2049-alien-and-more
Endless? The book isn't very long, Riddles.
You say that, but did you ever finish Heretics of Dune? :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
Endless? The book isn't very long, Riddles.
Yeah. It looks like he doesn't like to read ;D
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 03, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
You say that, but did you ever finish Heretics of Dune? :laugh:
Sonofabitch. :laugh:
;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 02, 2017, 05:06:51 PM
If it was a snake it would have bitten you Mr. Clemens.
Spoiler
The noodle bar scene opens with Deckard leaning against the glass window of a television store reading a newspaper. All the television screens right behind him show heavily distorted/scrambled images almost as if there were a strong electromagnetic source nearby interfering with the signal.
But when Deckard stands up and walks to the noodle bar, the television screens suddenly all return to normal with no picture interference. This is visible in all cuts of the film and even alternate takes of the scene.
WHOAH. :o
One could argue 'coincidence' but since it happens in the alternate takes as well, that's telling. Did you discover this yourself? I've watched the film literally hundreds of times since it came out on home video and never made the connection.
You should get a hold of Paul Sammon... get yourself into Future Noir 3rd Edition! :D
Coinsidence guys.
Paul M. Sammon already knows about it:
QuoteRick Deckard is now introduced to the audience while leaning against a display window, behind which numerous television sets portray images intentionally scrambled by Ridley Scott. Two different video images were fed via off-camera three-quarter-inch tapedecks into the TV sets behind Ford. One was a "generic advertisement" created by David Dreyer during his BR geisha girl shoot. The other was a clip from an older but genuine commercial Dreyer had once worked on, showing a woman's hand holding a sunball.
Mark Kermode's review will be out on Friday (he want's to watch it again before giving his verdict) but here is a little preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLD4X9zrK14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLD4X9zrK14)
And a little bird told me that there will be a slightly more spoilery final trailer featuring:
Spoiler
Rachael.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 03, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
You say that, but did you ever finish Heretics of Dune? :laugh:
Sonofabitch. :laugh:
Heretics of Dune is easily the 3rd best book in the series, strange that you couldn't finish it.
New trailer inside the link. It's the best trailer so far. And there is someone in it ;D.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-final-blade-runner-2049-has-a-huge-cameo-in-it-1819102247
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 03, 2017, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 03, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
You say that, but did you ever finish Heretics of Dune? :laugh:
Sonofabitch. :laugh:
Heretics of Dune is easily the 3rd best book in the series, strange that you couldn't finish it.
I can't even remember why I stopped reading. Maybe angsty teen Duncan clone annoyed me, I can't say.
https://twitter.com/GolazoDan/status/914094843277783040 (https://twitter.com/GolazoDan/status/914094843277783040)
https://twitter.com/TaylorJosephB/status/914705523705970689 (https://twitter.com/TaylorJosephB/status/914705523705970689)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFp9v_InWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFp9v_InWM)
Tomorrow is the day. But before that here's a really good analysis whether he is or he isn't a replicant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q_K2am2qrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q_K2am2qrE)
Gaff now living in an old-age home Ingwar? Well I hope he's at least hitting on all the nurses.
Soundtrack out tomorrow.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 02, 2017, 05:06:51 PM
Spoiler
The noodle bar scene opens with Deckard leaning against the glass window of a television store reading a newspaper. All the television screens right behind him show heavily distorted/scrambled images almost as if there were a strong electromagnetic source nearby interfering with the signal.
But when Deckard stands up and walks to the noodle bar, the television screens suddenly all return to normal with no picture interference. This is visible in all cuts of the film and even alternate takes of the scene.
I don't think it means anything since replicants are not a "strong electromagnetic source". If they were, the voight-kampff test would've been pointless; Just sit one down next to a TV. Replicants' only visible differences from humans are emotional responses, and the occasional glowing eyes.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 04, 2017, 04:09:01 PM
Gaff now living in an old-age home Ingwar? Well I hope he's at least hitting on all the nurses.
Wouldn't you 8th? ;D
In 21 hours I'm gonna see the movie. Surreal feeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWaJCOyORvI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWaJCOyORvI)
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 04, 2017, 04:20:15 PM
I don't think it means anything since replicants are not a "strong electromagnetic source". If they were, the voight-kampff test would've been pointless; Just sit one down next to a TV. Replicants' only visible differences from humans are emotional responses, and the occasional glowing eyes.
LAPD probably implanted a radio transmitter into Deckard in order to keep track of him. How do you think Gaff knew exactly where to find him in such a crowded city? ;)
QuoteThe sequel easily will own No. 1 stateside with roughly $45M at 4,000-plus theaters and an overseas opening in the mid-$50M range for a grand $100M global debut. That start easily will make Blade Runner 2049 the biggest box office opening for leading man Ryan Gosling and director Denis Villeneuve.
Those figures, by the way, are within the wheelhouse of other late-'70s/early -'80s cult sci-fi reboots: read Mad Max: Fury Road ($45.4M domestic opening), Tron: Legacy ($44M), and Prometheus ($51M). Last week, Fandango reported that advance ticket sales for Blade Runner 2049 were outpacing that of Fury Road and October's top two record openers, Gravity ($55.8M) and Scott's The Martian ($54.3M).
Movietickets.com reports that Blade Runner 2049 advance ticket sales are selling at 6x that of Villeneuve's previous film, last year's sci-fi Best Picture nominee Arrival ($24M opening weekend) and 3x that of last summer's War for the Planet of the Apes ($56.3M opening).
http://deadline.com/2017/10/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-worldwide-box-office-opening-harrison-ford-1202181411/
I'd have thought that they would have upped the opening weekend box office estimates after the rave reviews?
The buzz on twitter is such that it's now impossible to keep up with the feed. Much bigger than Covenant.
11.5 hours till my showing of BR: 2049 - pretty damn hyped to be honest.
I'm working all weekend. Gonna have to abandon all threads to avoid spoilers.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 04, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
I'd have thought that they would have upped the opening weekend box office estimates after the rave reviews?
The buzz on twitter is such that it's now impossible to keep up with the feed. Much bigger than Covenant.
It looks like a smaller openning than Prometheus. 2049 costed a lot more than Prometheus so this could be bad news.
199€
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It's out of stock now:
https://video.fnac.com/a11075978/Blade-Runner-2049-Coffret-Edition-Fnac-Steelbook-Blu-ray-4K-Blu-ray-Blu-ray-3D-Ryan-Gosling-Blu-ray-4K?ectrans=1
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 04, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
I'd have thought that they would have upped the opening weekend box office estimates after the rave reviews?
The buzz on twitter is such that it's now impossible to keep up with the feed. Much bigger than Covenant.
I agree. Hell this one does have that certain style of nostalgia that both IT and Jurassic World had to an extent. I mean the reviews are overwhelminly positive and the talk on social media is a blaze. I honestly think they're totally underestimating this one.
Blade Runner 2049 full soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBWUyWuZk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBWUyWuZk8)
And on the 5th day (of October) Denis Villeneuve released Blade Runner 2049.........and it was good.
Just came back from cinema. Is it better that the original? No. Is it as good as the original? Forget about it.
7/10
Denis did a man's job. I have no complains about him.
Deakins? Everything we see in that movie is stunning. Visuals and lighting are mind-blowing and striking. Just give him that bloody Oscar. Design is awesome. Looks totally believable.
Acting is great/good. It's Gosling movie from the beginning to the very end and he's good at it. Leto is ... annoying. Very cliche character. Even Ford doesn't amaze. Dialogues are only good which is quite disappointing. Maybe they should have hired David Peoples?
Music is ... normal? There is nothing special about the score at all. Nothing except Buddhist-alike chant which is ominous. Overall, it's not Vangelis for sure. His score is legendary. This one is just so-so and forgettable.
The first and the second acts are great. Maybe too long but still solid and compelling regarding storytelling. And then comes the third act and ... let my put it that way: I got f**king furious. Why Scott is so obsessed with the past? Ridley is another George Lucas. He did it to
Alien and now he tinkered with
BR. He hasn't directed (originally he was going to) it but from the very beginning he's been involved. He invented story with Hampton and as a producer and father of the original he's responsible. Remember the scene in
BR when Deckard meets Rachael? According to
2049 it
Spoiler
was all set up by Tyrell so Deckard and Rachael, as special in their kind replicants, could have a .... baby. Seriously?
Have to see it again and digest it better.
Now, where is my whiskey?
PS Waiting for
The Shape of Water. I trust in Guillermo.
Regarding your spoiler part, that's not what happened. That was a character speculating as to what could have happened as he then goes on to basically say "or maybe not".
Spoiler
In fact, that's the part of the movie where it's specifically set in stone that they won't be answering the 35 year old question about Deckard
Ridley Scott admitted hundreds of times that Deckard is replicant. Then how
Spoiler
two replicants could have a baby if it wasn't set up? Miracle? It doesn't happen when it comes to synthetics. Self-consciousness yes but not ability to have a baby. There is no other option. 2049 claims that in fact it was set up by Tyrell which is just silly from the perspective of the first movie. It works as a plot for 2049 but overall it's just lame. Not mentioning the footage they used from the original. Cheesy.
Wallace speculates about it because he cannot know for sure. But we, as viewers, can figure it out easily.
They don't have to answer the question whether he is or he isn't a replicant. The answer is in the final cut. Scott says so and Scott made that movie. There is no speculation. No theory is needed. He is replicant. Period.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 07:47:04 PM
Ridley Scott admitted hundreds of times that Deckard is replicant. Then how Spoiler
two replicants could have a baby if it wasn't set up? Miracle? It doesn't happen when it comes to synthetics. Self-consciousness yes but not ability to have a baby. There is no other option. 2049 claims that in fact it was set up by Tyrell which is just silly from the perspective of the first movie. It works as a plot for 2049 but overall it's just lame. Not mentioning the footage they used from the original. Cheesy.
Wallace speculates about it because he cannot know for sure. But we, as viewers, can figure it out easily.
No interest in getting into a pissing contest, just stating what happened in the movie.
But I'm not being offensive. I just say what movie shows us. It's clear as blue sky. As I said, there is no other option than the fact
Spoiler
it was all set up and Deckard and Rachael met because Tyrell had a bigger plan.
All magic is gone.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 07:52:06 PM
But I'm not being offensive. I just say what movie shows us. It's clear as blue sky. As I said, there is no other option than the fact Spoiler
it was all set up
*Sigh. Dog with a bone.
Spoiler
He says "do you ever think it could have been set up?" He does not say "Guys it was a set up, two replicants were set up to mate and have baby replicants". YOU can speculate that that was indeed what happened but the movie asks the question and also states that that may not be what happened. This movie (regardless of what Ridley says) doesn't even 100% make it clear that Deckard IS a replicant, Wallace again says or "maybe there's nothing special about you at all" so it could be a human Deckard that got a replicant pregnant since we still don't know in verse that he's a replicant or not.
Denis did say he wouldn't be answering that question so within the movies it still hasn't been definitively answered.
P.S. In before "But Ridley says".
2049 doesn't have to answer question about Deckard being a replicant. He is a replicant. I think that person who made first movie knows better.
If it wasn't
Spoiler
set up
then how would you explain the fact that
Spoiler
Deckard and Rachael had a baby? They weren't probably first replicants who made sex with each other. Then why they were so special and different that other replicants? It's logical that it was part of the plan according to new movie, not the original one.
You are right, Wallace asks that question and even he isn't sure but that's the part of narrative element. He doesn't know for sure but we do. It's simple.
Jesus C.
Spoiler
Maybe, just maybe Rachael is the only thing special about this, she's the first replicant that was made capable of reproducing, Deckard being a replicant or a human isn't important - it makes no difference whatsoever. Rachael was the special replicant that Tyrell created, whether Deckard was a human, a replicant or a giraffe isn't important (though it is funnier if he's a giraffe), the only thing we KNOW FOR CERTAIN is that Rachael was special.
In the universe of the movie/movies which is all people that don't fan over this stuff would have reference to is that we don't know what Deckard is and the beauty of that is that it doesn't matter either. So again, whether it's "clear as the sky" or whatever you said for you, it's still not a fact within the movieverse.
There doesn't have to be a right answer, Maybe Deckard and Rachael were two replicants that were set up and for some reason had to go through an elaborate mating show for Tyrell just to get them together....or maybe Deckard was a human that was set up to be attracted to Rachael so he would get her pregnant (the first hybrid baby) or maybe just coincidence that a human Blade Runner ended up falling for a replicant that happens to be able to get pregnant - there is no exact answer and it doesn't matter, the end result is the same i.e. a replicant had a baby.
You don't have to call Jesus. He won't help you with this.
It's essential for our argument whether he's or he isn't a replicant. Normal replicants
Spoiler
cannot have babies. If a replicant is able to make one it means he/she's been designed that way. There is no miracle or luck. Therefore both, Deckard and Rachale according to new movie have been made that way so they could have a baby. There is no mystery about it.
We don't know what Deckard is? There is no ambiguity in it. No speculations. He is what he is. A replicant. And how can I know? The final cut says so and so does the person who made that movie. Case closed.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 08:41:04 PM
You don't have to call Jesus. He won't help you with this.
It's essential for our argument whether he's or he isn't a replicant. Normal replicants Spoiler
cannot have babies. If a replicant is able to make one it means he/she's been designed that way. There is no miracle or luck. Therefore both, Deckard and Rachale according to new movie have been made that way so they could have a baby. There is no mystery about it.
We don't know what Deckard is? There is no ambiguity in it. No speculations. He is what he is. A replicant. And how can I know? The final cut says so and so does the person who made that movie. Case closed.
You're really not reading what I'm saying are you? You just have this high and mighty notion that you are correct and won't/can't see any other point of view - I can see I've wasted far too much time on you already, good day.
It's not me who is correct. Scott is and I just quoted him.There is no other point of view than what he claims because as you know he made the first movie. Is this that hard? If you want to argue about that then I'm not the right person. Argue with Scott.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
It's not me who is correct. Scott is and I just quoted him.There is no other point of view than what he claims because as you know he made the first movie. Is this that hard? If you want to argue about that then I'm not the right person. Argue with Scott.
Is it so hard for you to understand the beauty of the fact that it doesn't matter? That's the point I keep trying to get across to you but you just keep coming back with "But Ridley..."; Denis understood this as well which is why he said right from the start that he would not answer the question either and he hasn't. The answer has never been established in either movie, it's been hinted at and speculated in both of them but it hasn't been answered and again, that's because it doesn't matter either way.
I can't keep going with this as it's like talking to a brick wall with "Ridley says so" written all over it.
"Finished"
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It does matter for me if he is or he isn't. Maybe you don't care but I do. And I don't give a monkey what Denis thinks. And yes, Ridley says so is bloody important because he made that movie. Right? It's like arguing with writer of any book that you know better what he/she wanted to say in that book. It's hilarious.
Let's establish the facts:
1. Has Ridley Scott directed Blade Runner? Yes.
2. Has Ridley Scott, director of Blade Runner, said that Deckard is a replicant? Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgq51ldJ2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgq51ldJ2o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7o0rvVxU0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7o0rvVxU0w)
I can't watch videos in work but if you're posting me videos of Ridley Scott saying he's a replicant (which I haven't once disputed he said) then all you're doing is proving that you aren't capable of reading my posts and are just blindly posting "Ridley says so".
I know what he said, how you can't tell that I know it after all these posts should be worrying to you because comprehension is important.
Ridley also thought that having a chestburster play charades was a good, idea so I wouldn't put that much stock into what he says.
You are still here? After saying
good day and
finished? What else are you gonna say this time? Adios?
I'm more that capable not only to read your posts but also to understand them. You said that it doesn't matter for you if he is or he isn't. Fair enough. But I said that it matters for me. It also matters for a guy who made
Blade Runner. Deckard is a replicant and therefore according to
2049 his first meeting with
Spoiler
Rachael in Blade Runner was set up by Tyrell because only replicants who are specially designed are able to make babies. Ordinary replicants couldn't do that. Right? What's difficult about that?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 05, 2017, 09:50:44 PM
Ridley also thought that having a chestburster play charades was a good, idea so I wouldn't put that much stock into what he says.
It case of Deckard he's bloody sure. Why would anyone argue with an author of a book about its plot? Author knows better. So does director. There are people who claim that David didn't create Xenomorphs even when Scott claims that he in fact did. We don't have to like it but those are facts expressed by person who's been responsible for it. The end.
:laugh:
Lol this petty ass fight over a film.
A fight that amounts to
TL;Dr Muh autismus. Muh replicants.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 05, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
:laugh:
Lol this petty ass fight over a film.
A fight that amounts to
TL;Dr Muh autismus. Muh replicants.
Wanna join? ;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 09:57:27 PM
You are still here? After saying good day and finished? What else are you gonna say this time? Adios?
I'm more that capable not only to read your posts but also to understand them. You said that it doesn't matter for you if he is or he isn't. Fair enough. But I said that it matters for me. It also matters for a guy who made Blade Runner. Deckard is a replicant and therefore according to 2049 his first meeting with Spoiler
Rachael in Blade Runner was set up by Tyrell because only replicants who are specially designed are able to make babies. Ordinary replicants couldn't do that. Right? What's difficult about that?
AGAIN?!? Your little spoiler there proves yet again that you're not reading what I'm saying and you sure as hell are not comprehending it, maybe English isn't your first language, that's seriously the only way this conversation can STILL be going on *mind blown. I already said what you just put in that spoiler ffs, you're not teaching me anything here when it was me that said it. You're just repeating yourself over and over about something that I'm not even disputing - I KNOW WHAT HE SAID, can you understand that? I know Ridley said he's a damn replicant, it has NOTHING to do with my point........my god this is just ridiculous.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 05, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
:laugh:
Lol this petty ass fight over a film.
A fight that amounts to
TL;Dr Muh autismus. Muh replicants.
Wanna join? ;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
Just came back from cinema. Is it better that the original? No. Is it as good as the original? Forget about it.
7/10
Denis did a man's job. I have no complains about him.
Deakins? Everything we see in that movie is stunning. Visuals and lighting are mind-blowing and striking. Just give him that bloody Oscar. Design is awesome. Looks totally believable.
Acting is great/good. It's Gosling movie from the beginning to the very end and he's good at it. Leto is ... annoying. Very cliche character. Even Ford doesn't amaze. Dialogues are only good which is quite disappointing. Maybe they should have hired David Peoples?
Music is ... normal? There is nothing special about the score at all. Nothing except Buddhist-alike chant which is ominous. Overall, it's not Vangelis for sure. His score is legendary. This one is just so-so and forgettable.
The first and the second acts are great. Maybe too long but still solid and compelling regarding storytelling. And then comes the third act and ... let my put it that way: I got f**king furious. Why Scott is so obsessed with the past? Ridley is another George Lucas. He did it to Alien and now he tinkered with BR. He hasn't directed (originally he was going to) it but from the very beginning he's been involved. He invented story with Hampton and as a producer and father of the original he's responsible. Remember the scene in BR when Deckard meets Rachael? According to 2049 it Spoiler
was all set up by Tyrell so Deckard and Rachael, as special in their kind replicants, could have a .... baby. Seriously?
Have to see it again and digest it better.
Now, where is my whiskey?
PS Waiting for The Shape of Water. I trust in Guillermo.
I just saw it.
I agree with you. Not about Ridley Scott(he is my favorite) but about this sequel.
I liked it. Blade Runner 2049 is a very decent movie.
7/10 to me too.
But nothing more. Like I said long time ago: Zimmer is Overrated and his Music is Bad. Vangelis still is God.
The trailers are misleading. The movie has 3 clear parts and Harrison Ford only appears in the 3rd and final part.
Ingwar, chill out please, especially with that attitude towards other members. Ridley Scott says a lot of things but as we've seen through the years with how Alien and Prometheus and Covenant progressed, that doesn't mean anything. It's all subject to change.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 05, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
A fight that amounts to
TL;Dr Muh autismus. Muh replicants.
You need to stop with the digs at other members too. Play nicely or go back to your Valley.
But I'm very chilled Corporal :)
Yes, Scott says a lot of things as all of us do. Who doesn't? But in this case he's 100% sure what he's saying. Deckard's a replicant and that statement is essential regarding the plot of 2049.
What he says means everything and it's not subject to change. I really don't understand people who still argue about that replicant thing. Scott said that so many times. He even argued with Ford about it. He made that movie guys!
Damn this movie is 2 hours and 43 minutes... no wonder they're going conservative on the opening weekend forecast. Gotta make sure to catch the first showing tomorrow. :P
My spoiler free thoughts on Blade Runner 2049:
Empire podcast with Ridley and Denis.
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/283-ridley-scott-denis-villeneuve
48:20 Scott starts talking about Deckard being a replicant ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdsYn9TdWQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdsYn9TdWQ)
Love the film. Saw it in IMAX last night, seeing it in 3D tomorrow.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 06, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Deckard's a replicant and that statement is essential regarding the plot of 2049.
Neither of those points is true.
Spoiler
Deckard's status is deliberately not given in 2049 to keep the ambiguity from the original. Scott's interview is only his opinion, and, since neither of the films specify whether he is replicant or not, it cannot be used as part of an argument.
As for Deckard's status being essential to the movie,
it works just as well with him being human. If he's a replicant who can reproduce, that's amazing. If he's a human who has reproduced with a replicant, that's also amazing. Either scenario works for the plot of the film, and it's deliberately left ambiguous.
Both Blade Runner and 2049 explore what it is to be human, and their themes and scenes are open to interpretation.
It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time. Instant classic.
My reactions to "BR 2049";
I recommend a viewing for anybody who's a fan of the original movie.
- Jared Leto;
I compared what Leto did with the Tyrell character in the original movie. Tyrell is subtle and so is the meaning of his character.
Leto's character in "BR 2049" was less successful imo.
- A character associated with Leto has a name more appropriate to a James Bong movie, again imo.
- I've been a fan of "Blade Runner" since it came out and I know the story very well.
Even so, there are a couple of parts of "Blade Runner: 2049" which are confusing even to this hard core fan.
- The film lags in certain sequences imo. When things slow down and there is nudity, then that part is more pronounced and can seem gratuitous.
* I'll get the Blu-ray when it comes out but I won't see it again in a theater.
"BR 2049" is beautifully photographed, the music is good and the special effects are effective.
But imo it was lacking the cohesion and depth of the original.
7/10 for me.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 07, 2017, 01:56:56 AM
My reactions to "BR 2049";
I recommend a viewing for anybody who's a fan of the original movie.
- Jared Leto;
I compared what Leto did with the Tyrell character in the original movie. Tyrell is subtle and so is the meaning of his character.
Leto's character in "BR 2049" was less successful imo.
- A character associated with Leto has a name more appropriate to a James Bong movie, again imo.
- I've been a fan of "Blade Runner" since it came out and I know the story very well.
Even so, there are a couple of parts of "Blade Runner: 2049" which are confusing even to this hard core fan.
- The film lags in certain sequences imo. When things slow down and there is nudity, then that part is more pronounced and can seem gratuitous.
* I'll get the Blu-ray when it comes out but I won't see it again in a theater.
"BR 2049" is beautifully photographed, the music is good and the special effects are effective.
But imo it was lacking the cohesion and depth of the original.
7/10 for me.
I agree 100%. 2049 is good but the original is better.
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 07, 2017, 12:15:11 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 06, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Deckard's a replicant and that statement is essential regarding the plot of 2049.
Neither of those points is true.
According to Scott it is true. Then who is right: you or a guy who made the original and who was involved in making the sequel from the very beginning? Hmmm ...
BR2049....
is ok! :)
I like how the big mind bending central twist here is that..
this is actually a
soap opera.Spoiler
With secret illicit babies.
With characters that are hidding secret family connections to one another..
Where female characters only seem to exist to satisfy the emotional needs of men.
(and even
The Female Boss character thirsts for the hotyoungleadmmm)
The Hans Zimmer soundtrack has cool sound design but no memorable melodies.
It's the prettiest film of the year and there's good acting all around.
But let's not pretend that this is a masterpiece that points the way forward to scifi.
You cant "point the way forward to scifi"
if you're taking your central twists from super-melodramatic brazillian soap operas.
6/10.
Alien Covenant probably has less plot holes than this..
and i found David more interesting than any replicant in here.
Okja is still the best scifi film of the year.
And has a lot more to say about "humanity" than a film that
confuses
ambiguity with depth.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 07, 2017, 06:31:57 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 07, 2017, 12:15:11 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 06, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Deckard's a replicant and that statement is essential regarding the plot of 2049.
Neither of those points is true.
According to Scott it is true. Then who is right: you or a guy who made the original and who was involved in making the sequel from the very beginning? Hmmm ...
As can be seen from various Scott interviews, he changes his mind on things, so unless it's included within the film itself, it can't be classed as a fact in universe.
Spoiler
Also, BR2049 specifically doesn't say that Deckard is a replica. They could have outright stated it, but chose to remain ambiguous. You aren't supposed to know. It's a film about humanity and you are supposed to make your own judgement on Deckard based on his actions, rather than what type of lifeform he is.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
7/10
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 07, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
6/10.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 07, 2017, 01:56:56 AM
7/10.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 05, 2017, 11:19:48 PM
7/10
(https://i.imgur.com/qQ0RPsM.jpg)
https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977 (https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977)
Quote
Weekend box office: #BladeRunner2049 crashing with $30M-$35M debut
Might be opening below Covenant. Not good for a $185M film.
Damn that sucks. But, at least we got a great film. They can't take that away!
I saw Blade Runner 2049 last night and I really enjoy it. This is the best follow up to a classic franchise since Fury Road IMO. Everyone should check it out.
I really hope it does well at the box office because it was an amazing film and it will help encourage studios to give directors full creative control.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 07, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977 (https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977)
Quote
Weekend box office: #BladeRunner2049 crashing with $30M-$35M debut
Might be opening below Covenant. Not good for a $185M film.
According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget for "BR 2049" is $150 million.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunnersequel.htm
* Imo for this movie to avoid being a clear flop the old rule applies. It would need to have box office at least 2 times its production budget. Or $300 million.
* To be considered for a sequel the box office for"BR 2049" would have to reach about 2.5 times the production budget or $375 million.
* If "BR 2019" box office got to 3 times its production budget or $450 million, it would certainly get a sequel.
But $450 million is $47 million more than the box office of "Prometheus". It'd be surprised if "BR 20149" did that well.
We'll see.
(PS. Looking at just the Friday numbers, "BR 2049" is below "A:C".)
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 07, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
BR2049....
is ok! :)...
i found David more interesting than any replicant in here.
From my personal taste, I agree with that.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Oct 07, 2017, 04:51:14 PM
I saw Blade Runner 2049 last night ... Everyone should check it out.
Yes, it's worth a viewing.
;)
"thumbs up".
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 07, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
7/10
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 07, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
6/10.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 07, 2017, 01:56:56 AM
7/10.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 05, 2017, 11:19:48 PM
7/10
https://i.imgur.com/qQ0RPsM.jpg
I wouldn't call it mediocre 8th :) I have seen it once and gave it 7. After second viewing I'm gonna probably upgrade my score. It's really great movie. Looks amazing and I like the twist but the third act ... goddammit! Why Scott? Why? :)
QuoteAnd this is what I've feared the whole time. Despite rave reviews and white-hot buzz in the film twitter bubble, Blade Runner 2049 is turning into (at least) a domestic whiff because general audiences didn't care. The very expensive ($155 million, after rebates) sci-fi sequel to a film that was itself a (somewhat) acclaimed bomb is essentially playing like Ridley Scott's "for the fans" Alien: Covenant. The Ryan Gosling/Harrison Ford futuristic tone poem earned just $12.7m yesterday, including $4m (31%) in Thursday previews alone. Barring surprising legs akin to the far more crowd-pleasing Kong: Skull Island, we're looking at a $32m debut weekend, which is less than this May's botched Prometheus sequel/Alien prequel. At best, it'll tie Alien: Convenant's $36m debut. So much for the Rotten Tomatoes effect.
Yes, the original Blade Runner is a cult classic and one of the more influential genre films of the last 35 years, but it was a domestic flop back in 1982, earning just $27 million on a $28m budget. And yes, it accumulated an improved reputation over the years, but as we saw with Zoolander, No. 2 (another flop sequel to an underperforming cult original), just because folks rediscovered the original on home video doesn't mean that they are going to see the sequel in theaters. Don't "But, Austin Powers!" me, because that one earned $67m worldwide on a $17m budget. There's a reason we don't get theatrical sequels to cult flops like John Carter and Dredd.
Alcon Entertainment, which funded the movie with Sony (who is handling overseas distribution), was hoping that rave reviews and visually stylish trailers would entice folks with little-to-no investment in Blade Runner. But, at least based on opening day, it didn't work. The film plays a lot like the original Blade Runner, and requires you to have seen at least one version of the film to understand/appreciate it. Even if folks did find/enjoy Blade Runner after theaters over the last 35 years, this was a somber, 2.5-hour, R-rated sci-fi drama. It's not quite babysitter material. Ryan Gosling is not an opener, and Harrison Ford hasn't been an opener outside of Indiana Jones and Star Wars since What Lies Beneath back in 2000.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/07/box-office-blade-runner-2049-bombs-with-disastrous-13m-friday/#234c66b54f15
I wonder how it's gonna do in Europe and Asia.
I went to see BR2049 this afternoon and barring a couple of minor complaints I really liked it. I didn't think the score was up to the task (although I had a tear when a Vangelis piece was used near the end), it wasn't poetic enough and some of the nudity seemed gratuitous.
Spoiler
Joi's giant purply pink bum aside
It's not as good as the original, but neither was the original on first viewing. 9
PS If in the original the unicorn reverie / origami is supposed to prove Deckard's true nature, why does an assassin dream of unicorns?
I loved it. It felt like a proper sequel, took its time and was gorgeous to look at. Loved the soundtrack too, and the sparing use of Vangelis.
I also like the way it felt like it was set in the same "universe", unlike the different feel between Alien and Prometheus. They made some wise design choices...especially with the branding.
The performances were solid throughout. Loved the bad girl. Thought Gosling had a quiet stillness that seemed to work.
There were a couple of silly bits towards the end (which itself felt a little rushed), but not serious enough to overly spoil things.
In this one I don't think it matters a jot whether Deckard is a human or a replicant. It works either way. I still think of him as human as he was originally written. I couldn't care less what Scott says.
I mostly enjoyed the movie.
8.5/10
My biggest objection is
Spoiler
The final twist. Felt really forced
But looking back, I enjoyed the movie.
Even better the 2nd time, and even better in 3D. Can't wait to get it home on blu-ray. Coming from a guy who dreaded the idea of this sequel, I couldn't be happier. And if the box office means we never get a 3rd, well... that leaves me with two perfect Blade Runner movies, and that's one more than I expected. :)
The box office just means we'll have to wait until 2052 to see Gosling in a gray pocket tee. I haven't been able to make it to the theater for a couple of reasons, so the soonest I can see it is Thursday.
Blade Runner 2049 is most definitely a solid follow-up to the original. The Final Cut is still better, though.
The almost ubiquitous complaints about this film being too long is a bit sad (and pathetic) in my opinion. Do audiences today really get that upset about being pulled away from their smartphones and social media accounts for three hours or something?
The LOTR films were mega box office hits, and each one was as long as BR2049, if not longer. And just like the LOTR films, I didn't want BR2049 to end.
I was a little surprised when I walked into the theater for the 12:15 p.m. CST screening there were only about 20 people. I know it was early and rated R but figured there would be more people.
Anyway, I'd give the movie a solid 8.5 - 10.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 07, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
... but the third act ... goddammit! Why Scott? Why? :)
Is this the 'let's blame Ridley Scott for everything' trope? LOL!
Anyway, the director of "BR 2049" is Denis Villeneuve.
The things which drag the 3rd act down, part of the 2 hour 43 minute run time; with its drawn out moments which have at most little to do with the main story, were under the control of Denis.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 08, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 07, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
... but the third act ... goddammit! Why Scott? Why? :)
Is this the 'let's blame Ridley Scott for everything' trope? LOL!
Anyway, the director of "BR 2049" is Denis Villeneuve.
The things which drag the 3rd act down, part of the 2 hour 43 minute run time; with its drawn out moments which have at most little to do with the main story, were under the control of Denis.
;)
Scott wrote screenplay with Hampton. Denis transferred the screenplay onto the screen. I don't blame Villeneuve. Beginning of the 3rd act is great but the revelation about
Spoiler
Deckard meeting Rachael in the past
is forced. It's not about its running time, it's about the content. However, it's very solid movie and I'm gonna see it again soon. Not mentioning to buy Blu-ray and
The Art and Soul of Blade Runner 2049.
QuoteThere were rumors on Saturday morning from rivals that Alcon Entertainment/Sony's Blade Runner 2049 via Warner Bros. was going to drop below $30M for the weekend. Business hasn't gotten that bad yet, and Saturday night's ticket sales now point toward a $31.3M opening at 4,058 theaters. Estimates for the film have dropped from $45M on midday Friday, to $36M last night to where we are now. As expected, Blade Runner 2049 is frontloaded with Saturday seeing an estimated $11.26M, -11% decline from Friday's $12.6M (which includes $4M Thursday previews).
We detailed in our previous update what went wrong here, and in brief, there was an oversight by the producers on the Blade Runner brand's low wattage among the masses despite its eternal legacy praise by critics. You don't build a movie that costs in excess of $155M net for just one quadrant –older males (guys over 25 rep 53% per PostTrak)– and mount a campaign that's shrouded in secrecy, thus sidelining a brand new potential generation of fans. Also, if you're looking to hook the Marvel or DC crowd into this reborn franchise, a PG-13 rating could have assisted Blade Runner 2049 without selling its quality short (there's nothing really dicey in the movie violence or sex wise). If you're going to build a movie for one quadrant, it can't be at a $100M-plus price. Plain and simple.
That said, Blade Runner 2049 is too slow for the under 25 guy bunch (they gave it a B on CinemaScore with those 2% of under 18ers who ducked the R-rating restriction at their local theater giving the sequel a B-). If you're wondering why Mad Max: Fury Road, another '80s sci-fi franchise reboot, outperformed Blade Runner 2049 ($45M opening), it's because that was a much faster-paced film which stoked the attention spans of the under 25 set. In addition, there was hero identity in Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron's characters, the latter a persona who could stoke those women showing up to the theater. There's not that much hero identity going on in the moody, brooding tale of Ryan Gosling's Blade Runner K. Per PostTrak, more under 25 men turned out for Mad Max vs. Blade Runner 2049 (26% to 23%) and more under 25 females (17% to 8%). In addition, Mad Max's demos were more spread out and not so older guy heavy when compared to Blade Runner 2049 (males over 25 were 34% for the George Miller-directed pic to 50% for the Denis Villeneuve-directed sequel).
Now the audience polls coming out of Blade Runner 2049 are glowing with an A- CinemaScore and 81% overall positive on PostTrak, however, it's believed that the small fan turnout are propping those scores up. If there was any kind of word of mouth in effect, we wouldn't be seeing a further decline in ticket sales.
Social media monitor Relish Mix sees a more descriptive, sobering reality of what people actually think about Blade Runner 2049. As of Saturday, RelishMix reports, "Convo swirls as fans argue over the ending and drop spoilers and plot points that are flying across social channels. Many comments relate to the film's long length, the need to see the original before seeing Blade Runner 2049." On Twitter, the combination of hashtags for #BladeRunner2049 and #BladeRunner have grown from 21K on Wednesday to 35K on Friday which is good yet behind for the genre per RelishMix. Jared Leto is the biggest social star for the film counting 20.2M across his social channels, and he even popped by the ArcLight Cinemas in Hollywood to delight fans on opening night. Blade Runner 2049 star Ryan Gosling only counts 2.3M on Twitter, nonetheless, he's been promoting the film.
http://deadline.com/2017/10/blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-box-office-bomb-1202184297/
I'm going to be honest. The movie is way too f**king long. It's so long that I haven't been able to convince myself that it's even worth the risk of being stuck in a theater for 3 hours.
Yeah, it a bit too long. Should have been around 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 07, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
7/10
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 07, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
6/10.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 07, 2017, 01:56:56 AM
7/10.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 05, 2017, 11:19:48 PM
7/10
https://i.imgur.com/qQ0RPsM.jpg
https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977 (https://twitter.com/THR/status/916676059143294977)
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Weekend box office: #BladeRunner2049 crashing with $30M-$35M debut
Might be opening below Covenant. Not good for a $185M film.
It's gonna have legs.
I dont understand why people are talking about box office in regards to a Blade Runner film...
Because movies need to make money.
Of course they do but Blade Runner won't fall on its box office take. This isn't a multi picture franchise.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 08, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
I'm going to be honest. The movie is way too f**king long. It's so long that I haven't been able to convince myself that it's even worth the risk of being stuck in a theater for 3 hours.
MTFU ;D
If you love good cinema you won't be disappointed. It's a visual treat. As an experience I enjoyed a lot more than Dunkirk.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 08, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 07, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
... but the third act ... goddammit! Why Scott? Why? :)
Is this the 'let's blame Ridley Scott for everything' trope? LOL!
Anyway, the director of "BR 2049" is Denis Villeneuve.
The things which drag the 3rd act down, part of the 2 hour 43 minute run time; with its drawn out moments which have at most little to do with the main story, were under the control of Denis.
;)
Scott wrote screenplay with Hampton. Denis transferred the screenplay onto the screen. I don't blame Villeneuve. Beginning of the 3rd act is great but the revelation about Spoiler
Deckard meeting Rachael in the past
I can't find information that Ridley Scott wrote the story / screenplay for "BR 2049".
- Here are "BR 2049's" writing credits according to IMDb.
QuoteWriting Credits
Hampton Fancher ... (screenplay by) and
Michael Green ... (screenplay by)
Hampton Fancher ... (story by)
Philip K. Dick ... (based on characters from the novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?")
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers
Whatever Deckard does in "BR 2049", it was not written by Ridley.
- Also, the sequence that bothered you about "BR 2049" could have been taken out by Villeneuve. Denis seemed to have creative control of "2049".
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 08:41:44 AMIt's not about its running time, it's about the content.
OK, while you have problems with a part of the story in the script (I do too but not the section you mentioned), you also wrote something in this thread which agrees with my point that the movie is too long;
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Yeah, it a bit too long. Should have been around 2 hours and 20 minutes.
The length of "BR 2049" is 2 hours 43 minutes. Taking out 23 minutes (43 minutes - 20 minutes) would be a significant edit.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 08:41:44 AM
However, it's very solid movie...
Agreed. It's worth seeing imo at least once.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 08:41:44 AMNot mentioning to buy Blu-ray...
I'll also get that.
** Back to box office;
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Oct 08, 2017, 01:50:31 PM
Of course they do but Blade Runner won't fall on its box office take. This isn't a multi picture franchise.
My take? Every movie succeeds or fails on its own as a business investment.
Also, I believe that the story of "BR 2049" was trying to set up a sequel.
And to get a sequel a film needs to not fail in its box office take.
* Right now the US weekend estimate for "BR 2049" is $31,525,000.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunnersequel.htm
That's well below the numbers for "Alien Covenant" in its first US weekend.
Maybe worldwide box office can prevent "BR 2049" from being a flop.
(Total box office is now at $81,725,000 compared with a production budget of $150 million.)
We'll see.
;)
It doesn't demand a sequel story-wise, which is perfectly fine. The audience is left with a clear sense of what the future holds, and everything is pretty much resolved. I think the story has been completed and won't be dissapointed if there's no third instalment. Extremely satisfying.
@bb-15
Scott met with Hampton and they developed story for
2049. Scott's part was very important. Hampton wrote short novella and then Green wrote screenplay based upon Hampton's story.
I'm gonna see it tomorrow again. It's kinda addictive.
Back to box office:
Quote"Blade Runner 2049" has launched with a solid $50.2 million in 63 markets on 15,900 screens, representing 61% of its international footprint for Sony.
The noir sci-fi sequel took first place in 45 markets, led by $8 million in the U.K., similar to "Interstellar" and 15% ahead of "Mad Max: Fury Road." Russia followed with $4.9 million, topping "Gravity" by 16% and "Mad Max: Fury Road" by 1%.
Sony noted that "Blade Runner 2049," starring Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford, is positioned for a strong run throughout the fall season and pointed to positive upticks on Saturday, stellar reviews, and "excellent" audience reception.
Australia launched with $3.6 million, beating out "Interstellar" by 9% and "Gravity" by 28%. France also took in $3.6 million, followed by Germany with $3.3 million, Spain with $2.6 million, Italy with $2.5 million, Brazil with $1.8 million and Mexico with $1.6 million.
Upcoming key market releases are South Korea on Oct. 12, Japan on Oct. 27, and China on Nov. 10.
"Blade Runner 2049" is heading for a downbeat $31.5 million opening weekend at 4,058 sites in North America, where it launched well below forecasts
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http://variety.com/2017/film/box-office/box-office-blade-runner-2049-international-1202583825/
It looks like it's gonna be a flop in US but Europe and Asia should rescue it.
Arrival grossed 24 million at opening weekend and managed to reach 100 at the end. I hope 2049 will get at least the same.
Like the original, it's not a popcorn movie so the box office doesn't surprise me.
I'm in the UK and saw it on Friday. I'd say it's my favourite film of 2017 so far. Solid 9/10.
The screening we saw was in 3D and was almost empty, BUT that was because the 3D screen was broken and they only fixed it an hour before so weren't advertising the screening. Ended up getting amazing seats.
We were lucky that they fixed it because our plan was for the IMAX screening, and that one was pretty much full. That gives me hope that it will do well.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
@bb-15
Scott met with Hampton and they developed story for 2049. Scott's part was very important. Hampton wrote short novella and then Green wrote screenplay based upon Hampton's story.
I'm gonna see it tomorrow again. It's kinda addictive.
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Quote"Blade Runner 2049" has launched with a solid $50.2 million in 63 markets on 15,900 screens, representing 61% of its international footprint for Sony.
The noir sci-fi sequel took first place in 45 markets, led by $8 million in the U.K., similar to "Interstellar" and 15% ahead of "Mad Max: Fury Road." Russia followed with $4.9 million, topping "Gravity" by 16% and "Mad Max: Fury Road" by 1%.
Sony noted that "Blade Runner 2049," starring Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford, is positioned for a strong run throughout the fall season and pointed to positive upticks on Saturday, stellar reviews, and "excellent" audience reception.
Australia launched with $3.6 million, beating out "Interstellar" by 9% and "Gravity" by 28%. France also took in $3.6 million, followed by Germany with $3.3 million, Spain with $2.6 million, Italy with $2.5 million, Brazil with $1.8 million and Mexico with $1.6 million.
Upcoming key market releases are South Korea on Oct. 12, Japan on Oct. 27, and China on Nov. 10.
"Blade Runner 2049" is heading for a downbeat $31.5 million opening weekend at 4,058 sites in North America, where it launched well below forecasts
.
http://variety.com/2017/film/box-office/box-office-blade-runner-2049-international-1202583825/
It looks like it's gonna be a flop in US but Europe and Asia should rescue it. Arrival grossed 24 million at opening weekend and managed to reach 100 at the end. I hope 2049 will get at least the same.
The problem is 2049 costed 3x times more than Arrival. It looks live the brand of Blade Runner is even smaller than the Alien Franchise.
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The book was better.
30.1 Million USD in the USA.
It's a Flop in the USA.
Just like VALERIAN(Luc Besson).
R rated scifi rarely does well anymore.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 08, 2017, 11:17:01 PM
30.1 Million USD in the USA.
It's a Flop in the USA.
Just like VALERIAN(Luc Besson).
The original was a huge flop. Whats your point?
Another 30 years for the third one.
I am very disappointed to see the low box office. I loved this film. Its the best one of 2017 by far and also one of the best Sci-Fi films I've ever seen. I'm hoping that good word of mouth gives this film legs and that the foreign box office #'s are good. We need more smart/stylish films like this.
I don't see a problem with that. Too many films give up run time to set up a sequel.
This film, for me, is Fury Road. Built on the original and improved in every way. The only thing that I thought the film lacked from the original was the score.
I don't think people should worry about the box office. There is talk about an oscar push for this movie
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Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 08, 2017, 11:17:01 PM
30.1 Million USD in the USA.
It's a Flop in the USA.
Just like VALERIAN(Luc Besson).
The original was a huge flop. Whats your point?
No point. I just said 1 fact.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 09, 2017, 12:02:00 AM
R rated scifi rarely does well anymore.
Which is a goddamn shame.
It's a good film alright.
I think it needed to be shorter or it needed to be longer. A t the moment it feels like the plot started to get away from the writers. Joi (the VR girlfriend) doesn't seem to be integrated into the plot very well. She has to wait until the very end to have her thematic moment.
Spoiler
at the very end when K is walking down the motorway and the giant Joi hologram advertises itself to him, he realises that she was never real and resolves to do something meaningful with his life.
Her part could have been substantially cut so it doesn't distract so much. Either that or it needed to be built up and given more interaction with the plot.
Same with the one-eyed replicant leader.
Spoiler
This character is planning a humungous replicant uprising but she gets introduced far too late in the story for us to feel her significance.
Either this character should have been removed entirely (and plot duties given to another character), or she should have entered the story much earlier and the rebellion greatly elaborated.
However the movie is already 2 hours 40 min. The length didn't bother me in the slightest but obviously there's no way it could possibly have been even longer. Sometimes I think the best format for a movie story isn't a movie at all, but a TV or Netflix mini-series.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 09, 2017, 05:13:49 AM
It's a good film alright.
I think it needed to be shorter or it needed to be longer. A t the moment it feels like the plot started to get away from the writers. Joi (the VR girlfriend) doesn't seem to be integrated into the plot very well. She has to wait until the very end to have her thematic moment.
Spoiler
at the very end when K is walking down the motorway and the giant Joi hologram advertises itself to him, he realises that she was never real and resolves to do something meaningful with his life.
I disagree with you entirely about Joi. She's not a character in the normal sense; she has no "journey" or arc, because she's not supposed to. That scene is all about K.
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In a world of replicants, which are basically enhanced human clones, Joi is nothing but a holographic app. That scene you described was the final kick in the teeth for K. He was in mourning following her loss. He believed he and Joi were in love, that her giving him a real name earlier on somehow validated him and made him more than just a skin job. But when he meets her in giant "advertising" form, he realises that the name giving element of their relationship was preprogrammed and always going to happen. When she named him Joe it was like he had "levelled up". It was heartbreaking or soul destroying for him. That's how I took it.
Great movie. Thought-provoking. Now we need the final alien sequel and then we tie all of it together with Alien Runner 3000. Then we can see David starting the revolution in the Blade Runner universe with Aliens.
Quote from: Spirit of Fire on Oct 09, 2017, 06:58:40 AM
Great movie. Thought-provoking. Now we need the final alien sequel and then we tie all of it together with Alien Runner 3000. Then we can see David starting the revolution in the Blade Runner universe with Aliens.
The similarities between the two are clearly there, but for all their grand ideas Prometheus and Alien: Covenant sadly fall flat, whereas Blade Runner delivers. I can't wait to see Blade Runner again, whereas another alien movie doesn't excite me at all. Such a shame.
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'Blade Runner 2049' Is A Box Office Bomb: 10 Reasons It Was Doomed.
I know it may be in poor taste to declare a big and ambitious film to be effectively DOA after three days of domestic release, but as last night's Saturday Night Live musical guest once sang, the writing's on the wall. Blade Runner 2049 opened with just $31.525 million this weekend, including $5m in IMAX, with little reason to hope for huge legs beyond the slightly frontloaded (2.48x weekend multiplier) debut. Yes, the film may have legs due to a lack of big movies between now and Thor, and yes it may do a little better overseas. But (barring an overseas miracle) it's essentially time to die for Blade Runner 2049.
Truth be told, it's not a surprise, as I was always skeptical of the idea that a long, R-rated, adult-skewing sci-fi drama sequel to a 35-year old cult flop would magically produce a global blockbuster result. And in the end, it failed this weekend precisely for all the reasons that we assumed it would. So, without further ado, here are the ten reasons why Blade Runner 2049 turned out to be such a commercial disappointment. In all likelihood, they will all be quickly forgotten in time, like tears in rain.
10. There is a ton of R-rated, adult-skewing competition.
There was a time when being a big-scale, R-rated sci-fi film would automatically make Blade Runner 2049 into an event. Heck, I'm still convinced that was part of Prometheus's initial appeal, existing as a somewhat original, R-rated, big-budget sci-fi movie in a PG-13 time. But today Blade Runner 2049 is merely one big R-rated movie alongside It, mother!, American Assassin, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, American Made, The Foreigner and The Snowman. Heck, in this marketplace, maybe Blade Runner 2049 should have tried to stand out by snagging an NC-17 or a G. After all, not even My Little Pony could manage a G rating.
9. It stole the thunder.
While Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. is distributing Blade Runner 2049 in North America, they are merely taking a distribution fee. The budget was split between Alcon Entertainment and Sony, the latter of whom is distributing the movie overseas. So WB will come out fine, especially as word around the campfire is that Alcon is responsible for the marketing, both commercially and artistically. Nevertheless, while Blade Runner 2049 wanted to be the event movie of the season, WB and New Line's $35 million scary clown movie completely stole its thunder. Yes, It has been out for a while, but those adults who only see one or two movies in theaters a month already used up their date night on the Stephen King adaptation.
8. The Mystery Box marketing backfired.
Alcon was outright draconian in terms of allowing any plot or character details to be included both in the marketing or in the eventual reviews. Some critics got a detailed list of elements they were forbidden from outright referencing in their critiques, so even the mostly rave reviews were unable to tell audiences what the movie was about. The Blade Runner 2049 campaign was merely the fact that it was a Blade Runner sequel, it looked gorgeous and starred Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford. I'm all for spoiler-free marketing, but that usually only works if you have something that audiences are inherently interested in seeing. There was little offered for those not already onboard with the mere idea of a Blade Runner sequel.
7. There was little conventional female appeal.
To be fair, the actual film contains a handful of notable female characters, even if most of them fall into certain tropes (virtual prostitute, actual prostitute, etc.). It desperately needs more Robin Wright and Sylvia Hoeks. Hoeks (essentially the film's Darth Vader/Oddjob) is pretty great, but A) the film is mostly about Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford and B) the marketing emphasized both the whole "dudes being dudes doing dude things" narrative and certain male gaze imagery. Gosling interacting with a gigantic (nude) holographic hottie was a key marketing image, as was a giant statue in the desert of two attractive women making out with each other were key marketing images. Heading into the weekend, the marketing and overall perception of the film was that it was very much a bro sci-fi movie for male fans of the original.
6. Reviews emphasized that it wasn't an action-filled crowdpleaser.
As I've noted before, positive reviews can sometimes backfire depending on how they describe the film. The rave reviews for How to Train Your Dragon 2 which referenced or hinted-at heartbreaking plot turns and emotional rollercoasters didn't work on parents who didn't want to see their kids cry in the theater. Blade Runner 2049 had mostly rave reviews, but those rave reviews emphasized the length, the mood and the lack of conventional action. Again, some of this was a byproduct of not being able to discuss plot details, but the overall impression was that Blade Runner 2049 was a gorgeous looking tone poem where not much happens, which isn't unlike the first film. So for general moviegoers, Kingsman 2 may have seemed the safer bet.
5. It was too long.
Yes, I know, no good movie is too long and no bad movie is too short. But for those adults on the fence about Blade Runner 2049, especially those with kids who would have to be left at home, the prospect of a 2.75-hour movie, with related babysitter, ticket price and food-related expenses, well, that wasn't quite as enticing as the 90-minute Gravity or even the 135-minute It. Like a lot of adult movies in the last two years, Blade Runner 2049 was a victim of improved at-home viewing options. Sure, folks may have been curious, but it was all too easy to wait 90 days and watch the film on VOD or Blu-Ray from the comfort of home.
4. Blade Runner 2049 was not remotely kid-friendly.
If you're playing the generational nostalgia card, it helps if the adults who now have kids and jobs have the option of taking their kids with them to the theater. That's the difference between Tron: Legacy (a PG-rated, Walt Disney-produced sci-fi actioner released during the Christmas season) and Blade Runner 2049. The film had zero youth appeal. Even if adult fans of the film were intrigued by the prospect of a sequel, were they intrigued enough to A) ditch the family or B) spring for a sitter and related expenses? No, not every movie has to be geared toward kids, but if you're attempting to snag fans who were young when the original debuted but are now old, it helps if we geezers can take our kids to the theater as well.
3. Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford aren't openers.
Harrison Ford is worth his weight in gold for Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. But outside of those flagship franchises, he hasn't had a big opener since What Lies Beneath way back in 2000. And hell, a $31 million debut for Blade Runner 2049 isn't even his biggest non-Star Wars/Indy debut, as Air Force One snagged $37m back in 1997 ($71m adjusted) and Cowboys and Aliens opened with $36m in 2011. Ryan Gosling may be the Internet's boyfriend, but he can't open an envelope, which makes him like most would-be big (white male) movie stars of today. Heck, Gosling's biggest hit outside of La La Land is the $86m-grossing Crazy Stupid Love (an ensemble film). They may get attention online, but they don't put butts in the theater seats.
2. Blade Runner means nothing to general audiences.
This turned out to be a case where online fandom was not remotely representative of general audience interest. We've been down this road before, with Scott Pilgrim versus the World or John Carter. General audiences aren't anywhere near as obsessed about Blade Runner as we film nerds, and plenty of general moviegoers (young and old) have little-to-know interest or connection to the original film. So making a very expensive sequel that damn-well requires you to have seen the original isn't exactly a good bet. The Internet freaked out over Zoolander, No. 2, but general moviegoers flocked to Deadpool instead. Yes, social media-friendly nostalgia works when folks can stay home and watch more Gilmore Girls or X-Files, but when feeding said nostalgia involves leaving the house, especially without the kids, it's a trickier game.
1. Don't make a Blade Runner sequel that's so expensive that it must perform like a Star Wars sequel.
If we ignore everything else about how Blade Runner 2049 performed this weekend, we should note that it was totally insane that Alcon and Sony spent $155 million (after rebates) on a sequel to a cult classic that made less than $30m back in 1982. In a vacuum, a $31m domestic debut for a 2.75-hour, R-rated sci-fi tone poem isn't half bad. If Blade Runner 2049, with its rave reviews and Oscar buzz, had cost maybe $80m I would be singing a very different tune. But at $155m (or more), this project was doomed from the start, another victim of conventional wisdom about what a hit movie theoretically looks like.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/08/10-reasons-blade-runner-2049-was-doomed-at-the-u-s-box-office/#27b1f08b24fb
Perhaps it will find itself loved outside of the US and on blu-ray, like the original?
Thing is, it's a bloody great movie and surely that's all that counts?
We should be thankful that they took the hit and made it. A shorter, cheaper version just wouldn't deliver. And I'm glad they didn't go for a more teen-friendly cut - not that I have anything against teens / younger audiences.
There needs to be a place for movies like this.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
Perhaps it will find itself loved outside of the US and on blu-ray, like the original?
Thing is, it's a bloody great movie and surely that's all that counts?
Absolutely but it's kinda sad when movie like this flops. It doesn't deserve it. Modern audience like action, action, action. They don't like slow-burners. Don't have patience for it.
I shouldn't talk since I havn't seen the movie yet but this is what I was afraid of. Another R-rated Sci-fi movie bombing.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2017, 09:11:26 AM
Absolutely but it's kinda sad when movie like this flops. It doesn't deserve it. Modern audience like action, action, action. They don't like slow-burners. Don't have patience for it.
It's not a mass-market movie, which is one of its greatest strengths. They weren't prepared to compromise and go chasing the money, which is great.
It's interesting to compare Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 with Alien and Alien: Covenant. I'd say that Blade Runner 2049 stayed true to the nature of the original, whereas Alien: Covenant didn't.
I feel like A:C chased the bucks, which is perfectly fine, but as a consequence is that the overall quality suffers.
You can watch BR and BR 2049 and you feel like you're in the same world, no so with Alien and A:C.
Question for those that have seen the movie:
Spoiler
How does K figure out that Memory Girl is the child? One-eyed lady tells him that the child is a girl and somehow he deduces who it must be from the memory of the wooden horse? I mean, we, the audience figure it out because Memory Girl is the only spare female character left over after all the plot is said and done, but how does K do it? I missed something there.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 09, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
Question for those that have seen the movie:
Spoiler
How does K figure out that Memory Girl is the child? One-eyed lady tells him that the child is a girl and somehow he deduces who it must be from the memory of the wooden horse? I mean, we, the audience figure it out because Memory Girl is the only spare female character left over after all the plot is said and done, but how does K do it? I missed something there.
TC
Spoiler
Because of her reaction to the memory and what she tells K: that the memory he has about the toy horse is real (i.e. from a human), and that it's illegal for replicants to be given such. All replicant memories are supposed to be constructs, created by her and others before her. K, like the audience, can tell from her reaction that his memory was actually something from her childhood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oItdeX63B7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oItdeX63B7U)
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
Quote from: TC on Oct 09, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
Question for those that have seen the movie:
Spoiler
How does K figure out that Memory Girl is the child? One-eyed lady tells him that the child is a girl and somehow he deduces who it must be from the memory of the wooden horse? I mean, we, the audience figure it out because Memory Girl is the only spare female character left over after all the plot is said and done, but how does K do it? I missed something there.
TC
Spoiler
Because of her reaction to the memory and what she tells K: that the memory he has about the toy horse is real (i.e. from a human), and that it's illegal for replicants to be given such. All replicant memories are supposed to be constructs, created by her and others before her. K, like the audience, can tell from her reaction that his memory was actually something from her childhood.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that.
Re: your earlier post:
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 06:35:17 AM
I disagree with you entirely about Joi. She's not a character in the normal sense; she has no "journey" or arc, because she's not supposed to. That scene is all about K.
But she does have an arc.
Spoiler
It begins the moment the emanator liberates Joi from the apartment's projector, and ends when she sacrifices herself protecting K from Luv.
But actually this is all incidental to what I was trying to say (and you're right, that scene is all about K). The idea I was trying to get across was that the Joi story would benefit by somehow resonating with the action in the main plot.
What if the Joi sub-plot went something like this: (Now I like the film a lot, so what follows is not so much me identifying a fatal flaw that needs fixing so much as raising a "what if" just to illustrate my point.)
Spoiler
K is subject to prejudice from society because, as a Skin-Job, he is an artificial human.
What if Joi is subject to prejudice from K because, as an AI, she is a doubly artificial human. K has feelings for Joi, but hates himself for it because she is beneath him. He wants to be a real boy so his ambition is to climb the rungs of social acceptance, not descend them. So in sub-plot, the script has Joi (who is a genuine sentient being, despite having no physicality) continually expressing her feelings for K, and K continually giving her the brush off. The climax of the sub-plot is when K realises that humanity comes in many forms; human, replicant, hybrid, and AI. (I know, this idea is kind of explored in "Her", the Spike Jonze film.)
The integration of this sub-plot (K's rejection of Joi) with the main plot (K's pursuit of the child), would climax in a new scene (K realises his own prejudice) that would replace the existing motorway hologram scene.
Of course, this is all sub-plot and sub-theme. I wouldn't devote pages of script to this, just a remark here and there.
The sub-plot could either end the same way (Joi's sacrifice) or, if you wanted a happier ending, Joi's mind could be injected into a newborn replicant (after all, there's obviously some way of giving each newborn an instant intelligence, full of knowledge, memories, and feelings).
Now, having written that, I feel bad because I hate it when people start telling filmmakers where they went wrong and how if only they'd bothered to consult this particular fan they would have had a much better movie...
TC
In response to TC's post above...
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I didn't consider Joi to be sentient at all (and I think the scene between K and the giant version of her serves to make that point), she's just a very clever piece of programming designed to make the user feel loved or less lonely. I do think you're on to something about the class issue though. K knows his place and then is teased with the idea that he might be something more. A miracle, not just another skin job. It's heartbreaking the way all of his dreams are pulled out from beneath him and he comes to realise what it truly means to be a replicant: disposable. K will go down as one of cinema's great tragic characters.
Also...
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The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Deckard is human. Only a human would discard K the way Deckard does at the end of the film. I might be completely wrong though... gotta go see it again!
@Rudiger
Oh no, you misunderstood my post entirely.
In my 2nd SPOILER box, everything after the
what if (in italics) is me imagining an alternative version of the script.
And this...
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
I didn't consider Joi to be sentient at all (and I think the scene between K and the giant version of her serves to make that point),
...I agree with you 100%.
My alternative
what if is an example of how I think the Joi story (a minor sub-theme) and K's predicament (a major theme) could have been rewritten to be more resonant together.
And yeah, K is a tragic character and his story is very moving. Unfortunately, the script doesn't give Gosling much opportunity to really explore the full range of human emotion, so I doubt there will be much acknowledgment of his powerful acting performance. Ford had much the same trouble in the original Blade Runner when people kept comparing his rather dour characterisation next to that of Rutger Hauer's. In both Ford's and Gosling's situations, an emotionally repressed performance is exactly what the script demanded of them. Compare those roles to that of Ripley in Aliens where the role called for such a comprehensive display of the fullest range of human emotions, hence Weaver's Oscar nomination.
Of course, if you've seen Arrival you can probably also see Villeneuve's penchant for melancholia.
Also, I must say I was quite impressed by Ford in this film. I don't think I've ever seen him cry in a role before (re: the scene with Niander Wallace). I think this is his best acting performance since the Fugitive.
TC
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
...for all their grand ideas Prometheus and Alien: Covenant sadly fall flat, whereas Blade Runner delivers.
My view is grounded on my many debates on IMDb about "Prometheus" (and a few I've had on this site) and don't apply to you personally;
* The Alien prequels ("Prometheus", "Covenant") present more abstract philosophy ideas;
- Aliens as creator gods;
- An A.I. android as a creator god;
It's tougher imo for a general audience to relate to something like that which isn't directly connected to current events happening in our world.
* "Blade Runner 2049" in terms of ideas is about prejudice and slavery (still problems in our world).
- Prejudice and slavery connect with current events.
* And these themes were already presented in the original "Blade Runner".
(There is a bit of an A.I. love idea but that in some ways mimics the love connection between Deckard and Rachel in the 1982 film.)
* Which means that viewers who are familiar with the first "Blade Runner" don't have to put in any effort to understand the underlying ideas in "BR 2049".
* By contrast the Alien prequels introduce new themes to the Alien franchise.
- That created disruption among some viewers who think Alien films should just be simple monster hunts.
- And understanding new themes requires effort which is rejected by those who believe that an Alien movie should require no effort in understanding it.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
Perhaps it will find itself loved outside of the US and on blu-ray, like the original?
I've looked at the reports of box office outside the US, and in almost all markets the first weekend box office for "BR 2049" is ahead of the pace of "Covenant".
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4332&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=alienparadiselost.htm
So, I expect the outside the US, "2049" box office to be better than that for "Covenant".
The problem in terms of financial success and a chance for a sequel is that the production budget for "2049" is much higher than the PB for "Covenant".
;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2017, 08:34:44 AM
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'Blade Runner 2049' Is A Box Office Bomb: 10 Reasons It Was Doomed.
I know it may be in poor taste to declare a big and ambitious film to be effectively DOA after three days of domestic release, but as last night's Saturday Night Live musical guest once sang, the writing's on the wall. Blade Runner 2049 opened with just $31.525 million this weekend, including $5m in IMAX, with little reason to hope for huge legs beyond the slightly frontloaded (2.48x weekend multiplier) debut. Yes, the film may have legs due to a lack of big movies between now and Thor, and yes it may do a little better overseas. But (barring an overseas miracle) it's essentially time to die for Blade Runner 2049.
Truth be told, it's not a surprise, as I was always skeptical of the idea that a long, R-rated, adult-skewing sci-fi drama sequel to a 35-year old cult flop would magically produce a global blockbuster result. And in the end, it failed this weekend precisely for all the reasons that we assumed it would. So, without further ado, here are the ten reasons why Blade Runner 2049 turned out to be such a commercial disappointment. In all likelihood, they will all be quickly forgotten in time, like tears in rain.
10. There is a ton of R-rated, adult-skewing competition.
There was a time when being a big-scale, R-rated sci-fi film would automatically make Blade Runner 2049 into an event. Heck, I'm still convinced that was part of Prometheus's initial appeal, existing as a somewhat original, R-rated, big-budget sci-fi movie in a PG-13 time. But today Blade Runner 2049 is merely one big R-rated movie alongside It, mother!, American Assassin, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, American Made, The Foreigner and The Snowman. Heck, in this marketplace, maybe Blade Runner 2049 should have tried to stand out by snagging an NC-17 or a G. After all, not even My Little Pony could manage a G rating.
9. It stole the thunder.
While Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. is distributing Blade Runner 2049 in North America, they are merely taking a distribution fee. The budget was split between Alcon Entertainment and Sony, the latter of whom is distributing the movie overseas. So WB will come out fine, especially as word around the campfire is that Alcon is responsible for the marketing, both commercially and artistically. Nevertheless, while Blade Runner 2049 wanted to be the event movie of the season, WB and New Line's $35 million scary clown movie completely stole its thunder. Yes, It has been out for a while, but those adults who only see one or two movies in theaters a month already used up their date night on the Stephen King adaptation.
8. The Mystery Box marketing backfired.
Alcon was outright draconian in terms of allowing any plot or character details to be included both in the marketing or in the eventual reviews. Some critics got a detailed list of elements they were forbidden from outright referencing in their critiques, so even the mostly rave reviews were unable to tell audiences what the movie was about. The Blade Runner 2049 campaign was merely the fact that it was a Blade Runner sequel, it looked gorgeous and starred Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford. I'm all for spoiler-free marketing, but that usually only works if you have something that audiences are inherently interested in seeing. There was little offered for those not already onboard with the mere idea of a Blade Runner sequel.
7. There was little conventional female appeal.
To be fair, the actual film contains a handful of notable female characters, even if most of them fall into certain tropes (virtual prostitute, actual prostitute, etc.). It desperately needs more Robin Wright and Sylvia Hoeks. Hoeks (essentially the film's Darth Vader/Oddjob) is pretty great, but A) the film is mostly about Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford and B) the marketing emphasized both the whole "dudes being dudes doing dude things" narrative and certain male gaze imagery. Gosling interacting with a gigantic (nude) holographic hottie was a key marketing image, as was a giant statue in the desert of two attractive women making out with each other were key marketing images. Heading into the weekend, the marketing and overall perception of the film was that it was very much a bro sci-fi movie for male fans of the original.
6. Reviews emphasized that it wasn't an action-filled crowdpleaser.
As I've noted before, positive reviews can sometimes backfire depending on how they describe the film. The rave reviews for How to Train Your Dragon 2 which referenced or hinted-at heartbreaking plot turns and emotional rollercoasters didn't work on parents who didn't want to see their kids cry in the theater. Blade Runner 2049 had mostly rave reviews, but those rave reviews emphasized the length, the mood and the lack of conventional action. Again, some of this was a byproduct of not being able to discuss plot details, but the overall impression was that Blade Runner 2049 was a gorgeous looking tone poem where not much happens, which isn't unlike the first film. So for general moviegoers, Kingsman 2 may have seemed the safer bet.
5. It was too long.
Yes, I know, no good movie is too long and no bad movie is too short. But for those adults on the fence about Blade Runner 2049, especially those with kids who would have to be left at home, the prospect of a 2.75-hour movie, with related babysitter, ticket price and food-related expenses, well, that wasn't quite as enticing as the 90-minute Gravity or even the 135-minute It. Like a lot of adult movies in the last two years, Blade Runner 2049 was a victim of improved at-home viewing options. Sure, folks may have been curious, but it was all too easy to wait 90 days and watch the film on VOD or Blu-Ray from the comfort of home.
4. Blade Runner 2049 was not remotely kid-friendly.
If you're playing the generational nostalgia card, it helps if the adults who now have kids and jobs have the option of taking their kids with them to the theater. That's the difference between Tron: Legacy (a PG-rated, Walt Disney-produced sci-fi actioner released during the Christmas season) and Blade Runner 2049. The film had zero youth appeal. Even if adult fans of the film were intrigued by the prospect of a sequel, were they intrigued enough to A) ditch the family or B) spring for a sitter and related expenses? No, not every movie has to be geared toward kids, but if you're attempting to snag fans who were young when the original debuted but are now old, it helps if we geezers can take our kids to the theater as well.
3. Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford aren't openers.
Harrison Ford is worth his weight in gold for Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. But outside of those flagship franchises, he hasn't had a big opener since What Lies Beneath way back in 2000. And hell, a $31 million debut for Blade Runner 2049 isn't even his biggest non-Star Wars/Indy debut, as Air Force One snagged $37m back in 1997 ($71m adjusted) and Cowboys and Aliens opened with $36m in 2011. Ryan Gosling may be the Internet's boyfriend, but he can't open an envelope, which makes him like most would-be big (white male) movie stars of today. Heck, Gosling's biggest hit outside of La La Land is the $86m-grossing Crazy Stupid Love (an ensemble film). They may get attention online, but they don't put butts in the theater seats.
2. Blade Runner means nothing to general audiences.
This turned out to be a case where online fandom was not remotely representative of general audience interest. We've been down this road before, with Scott Pilgrim versus the World or John Carter. General audiences aren't anywhere near as obsessed about Blade Runner as we film nerds, and plenty of general moviegoers (young and old) have little-to-know interest or connection to the original film. So making a very expensive sequel that damn-well requires you to have seen the original isn't exactly a good bet. The Internet freaked out over Zoolander, No. 2, but general moviegoers flocked to Deadpool instead. Yes, social media-friendly nostalgia works when folks can stay home and watch more Gilmore Girls or X-Files, but when feeding said nostalgia involves leaving the house, especially without the kids, it's a trickier game.
1. Don't make a Blade Runner sequel that's so expensive that it must perform like a Star Wars sequel.
If we ignore everything else about how Blade Runner 2049 performed this weekend, we should note that it was totally insane that Alcon and Sony spent $155 million (after rebates) on a sequel to a cult classic that made less than $30m back in 1982. In a vacuum, a $31m domestic debut for a 2.75-hour, R-rated sci-fi tone poem isn't half bad. If Blade Runner 2049, with its rave reviews and Oscar buzz, had cost maybe $80m I would be singing a very different tune. But at $155m (or more), this project was doomed from the start, another victim of conventional wisdom about what a hit movie theoretically looks like.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/08/10-reasons-blade-runner-2049-was-doomed-at-the-u-s-box-office/#27b1f08b24fb
So: Blade Runner 2049 would have been successful if it wasn't a Blade Runner film. Got it. ::)
We've been given a wonderful film, way better than expected. I'm happy as a clam.
Quote from: TC on Oct 09, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
@Rudiger
Oh no, you misunderstood my post entirely.
In my 2nd SPOILER box, everything after the what if (in italics) is me imagining an alternative version of the script.
And this...
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
I didn't consider Joi to be sentient at all (and I think the scene between K and the giant version of her serves to make that point),
...I agree with you 100%.
My alternative what if is an example of how I think the Joi story (a minor sub-theme) and K's predicament (a major theme) could have been rewritten to be more resonant together.
And yeah, K is a tragic character and his story is very moving. Unfortunately, the script doesn't give Gosling much opportunity to really explore the full range of human emotion, so I doubt there will be much acknowledgment of his powerful acting performance. Ford had much the same trouble in the original Blade Runner when people kept comparing his rather dour characterisation next to that of Rutger Hauer's. In both Ford's and Gosling's situations, an emotionally repressed performance is exactly what the script demanded of them. Compare those roles to that of Ripley in Aliens where the role called for such a comprehensive display of the fullest range of human emotions, hence Weaver's Oscar nomination.
Of course, if you've seen Arrival you can probably also see Villeneuve's penchant for melancholia.
Also, I must say I was quite impressed by Ford in this film. I don't think I've ever seen him cry in a role before (re: the scene with Niander Wallace). I think this is his best acting performance since the Fugitive.
TC
Ahhh... OK. With you now.
Nice idea, but I wonder if that would count as over egging the pudding. There's already a lot going on!
Spoiler
I think Gosling's great in this, and I think the script is pretty damn good too. It definitely needed to be underplayed and not at all "showy". Less is more... and after all, he's not quite human.
The only performance I didn't like was Jared Leto's, but then I think he's the same - and shit - in everything. I don't know how he gets paid work!!!
I didn't like the Rachel scene much either, as the SFX didn't pull it off. This digital de-aging is getting tiresome. Still, the sight of her silhouette walking into the room sent chills down my spine though. I just wish they had kept her at arms length from Deckard... and tormented him more with her presence.
Only other bit I didn't like was how K found Deckard and Luv at the end. Unless I missed something, that was a mighty big slice of luck.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 09, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
...for all their grand ideas Prometheus and Alien: Covenant sadly fall flat, whereas Blade Runner delivers.
My view is grounded on my many debates on IMDb about "Prometheus" (and a few I've had on this site) and don't apply to you personally;
* The Alien prequels ("Prometheus", "Covenant") present more abstract philosophy ideas;
- Aliens as creator gods;
- An A.I. android as a creator god;
It's tougher imo for a general audience to relate to something like that which isn't directly connected to current events happening in our world.
* "Blade Runner 2049" in terms of ideas is about prejudice and slavery (still problems in our world).
- Prejudice and slavery connect with current events.
- And these themes were already presented in the original "Blade Runner".
(There is a bit of an A.I. love idea but that in some ways mimics the love connection between Deckard and Rachel in the 1982 film.)
* Which means that viewers who are familiar with the first "Blade Runner" don't have to put in any effort to understand the underlying ideas in "BR 2049".
* By contrast the Alien prequels introduce new themes to the Alien franchise.
- That created disruption among some viewers who think Alien films should just be simple monster hunts.
- And understanding new themes requires effort which is rejected by those who believe that an Alien movie should require no effort in understanding it.
The point I was trying to make has nothing to do with the ideas or themes being explored, it's about the execution. BR 2049 is a good movie, whereas Prometheus and A:C aren't. Neither tells its story well.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 09, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
...for all their grand ideas Prometheus and Alien: Covenant sadly fall flat, whereas Blade Runner delivers.
My view is grounded on my many debates on IMDb about "Prometheus" (and a few I've had on this site) and don't apply to you personally;
* The Alien prequels ("Prometheus", "Covenant") present more abstract philosophy ideas;
- Aliens as creator gods;
- An A.I. android as a creator god;
It's tougher imo for a general audience to relate to something like that which isn't directly connected to current events happening in our world.
* "Blade Runner 2049" in terms of ideas is about prejudice and slavery (still problems in our world).
- Prejudice and slavery connect with current events.
- And these themes were already presented in the original "Blade Runner".
(There is a bit of an A.I. love idea but that in some ways mimics the love connection between Deckard and Rachel in the 1982 film.)
* Which means that viewers who are familiar with the first "Blade Runner" don't have to put in any effort to understand the underlying ideas in "BR 2049".
* By contrast the Alien prequels introduce new themes to the Alien franchise.
- That created disruption among some viewers who think Alien films should just be simple monster hunts.
- And understanding new themes requires effort which is rejected by those who believe that an Alien movie should require no effort in understanding it.
The point I was trying to make has nothing to do with the ideas or themes being explored, it's about the execution. BR 2049 is a good movie, whereas Prometheus and A:C aren't. Neither tells its story well.
OK, I'll just agree to disagree about that.
* As for execution, you address some of this in a list of spoilers for "2049" that you posted.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 02:27:56 PM
Spoiler
...The only performance I didn't like was Jared Leto's, but then I think he's the same - and shit - in everything. I don't know how he gets paid work!!!
I didn't like the Rachel scene much either, as the SFX didn't pull it off. This digital de-aging is getting tiresome. Still, the sight of her silhouette walking into the room sent chills down my spine though. I just wish they had kept her at arms length from Deckard... and tormented him more with her presence.
Only other bit I didn't like was how K found Deckard and Luv at the end. Unless I missed something, that was a mighty big slice of luck.
* I think that I can address your concerns in your spoiler list without getting too specific.
For me your issues connect with serious problems that I had with "2049".
1. Look at the subtlety and depth of Tyrell in "Blade Runner" in terms of performance and ideas. That is miles ahead of what is happening with a similar character in "2049". The problem with that character in "2049" is not about the actor as it is the way the role is written, the makeup and direction which is more appropriate for a James Bond film.
2. Digital de-aging / recreation of actors has been done in several films / TV series. The worst I've seen in a recent major production imo comes from "Rogue One". That was terribly distracting.
This was a minor issue for me in "2049".
3. In the original "Blade Runner" the protagonist eventually confronts the antagonist. The brilliance of the original "BR" is that by the end it is uncertain who is the good guy.
Secondly, the meeting of these two characters is set up like clockwork in terms of script and visuals as Deckard and Roy move through the film and finally clash. Every image and word leading to their meeting in the original "BR" is tightly grounded to the story and its ideas.
- "2049" has similar moments and they are often handled badly in terms of story continuity and in terms of story connection.
In a couple of moments about this, "2049" has some serious plot logic problems which I find very irritating.
* Please understand, in spite of my issues which you touch on, I recommend that people see "2049" because there are many excellent things about it.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 09, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
1. Look at the subtlety and depth of Tyrell in "Blade Runner" in terms of performance and ideas. That is miles ahead of what is happening with a similar character in "2049". The problem with that character in "2049" is not about the actor as it is the way the role is written, the makeup and direction which is more appropriate for a James Bond film. Nope. It's the actor. He sucks in EVERYTHING!
2. Digital de-aging / recreation of actors has been done in several films / TV series. The worst I've seen in a recent major production imo comes from "Rogue One". That was terribly distracting. This was a minor issue for me in "2049". Agreed. It sucks in both movies... in fact in all movies.
3. In the original "Blade Runner" the protagonist eventually confronts the antagonist. The brilliance of the original "BR" is that by the end it is uncertain who is the good guy. What??? That's the one thing that's never in doubt. They both become "good guys"! Each character has a "road to damascus" moment on the roof of the building. Batty chooses life over revenge and Deckard rediscovers his humanity and turns away from being a hired gun. Even Gaff understands this, which is why he also shows Rachel mercy and lets the two of them escape. And then, of course, Ridley Scott comes back a decade or so later and totally screws things up with the ridiculous dream sequence.
Secondly, the meeting of these two characters is set up like clockwork in terms of script and visuals as Deckard and Roy move through the film and finally clash. Every image and word leading to their meeting in the original "BR" is tightly grounded to the story and its ideas. Like in a million and one other movies. One character faces off with another character at the end. Hardly earth shattering.
Haters :p
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2017, 08:34:44 AM
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9. It stole the thunder.
While Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. is distributing Blade Runner 2049 in North America, they are merely taking a distribution fee. The budget was split between Alcon Entertainment and Sony, the latter of whom is distributing the movie overseas. So WB will come out fine, especially as word around the campfire is that Alcon is responsible for the marketing, both commercially and artistically. Nevertheless, while Blade Runner 2049 wanted to be the event movie of the season, WB and New Line's $35 million scary clown movie completely stole its thunder. Yes, It has been out for a while, but those adults who only see one or two movies in theaters a month already used up their date night on the Stephen King adaptation.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/08/10-reasons-blade-runner-2049-was-doomed-at-the-u-s-box-office/#27b1f08b24fb
1982: ET stole the thunder.
2017: IT stole the thunder.
I wonder if it would have helped if they had Gosling do a voice-over and tacked-on a happy ending with outtakes from IT?
Scott Mendelson is a hack.
I heard Blade Runner only made 31 million opening weekend. Almost 20 mil short of projected gross.
Saw it yesterday and loved it. I dont get the complaints about the run time, the scenes take their time which is great, they breathe they suck you in, fukk the general audience really, go watch some TFA. This is what Prometheus couldve been if it wasnt totally butchered in the cutting room.
And Ridley can kiss my arse too lol, this still new to the game french director shows that its still possible to make brooding atmospheric sci fi movies and that its not necessary to constantly make advances to the average joe because "thats the way movies are supposed to be made today" or some other BS excuse. Then again i guess Ridley is responsible for putting DV in charge so thanks for that.
I definitely need to see this one again.
For those who saw it:
Spoiler
1) Is it explained why K. has that real memory of Deckards daughter respectively where he got it from? Is it just to make him a "believer", do other reps have it too?
2) Is it really 100% that K. is not the son of Deckard? The evidence for that is only that one-eyed rep who witnessed the birth, right? I still feel there might be a more ambigious angle to all that. The two identical childs, the one-eyed witness, the real daughter being a memory constructeur, them sharing this memory and K. totally freaking out when they share it etc, i dont know, feels like theres more to it!? Couldnt this be DVs approach to kinda mirror the whole DeckARep discourse from the first one, at least partially?
edit: I mean if that one-eyed woman is the only real evidence, that memory of hers couldve been easily planted by Deckard to further blur the traces, no? Its the old eye metaphor form the original again: just because you think you saw something doesnt make it real. They keep saying they witnessed a miracle, but this miracle couldve been easily fabricated/altered. Thats the original Blade Runner all over, again.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 09, 2017, 04:10:16 PM
1982: ET stole the thunder.
2017: IT stole the thunder.
Bad karma. At least the movie is good.
By the way, it looks like
It (budget: only 35 million) gonna gross more than
Covenant and
2049 together. It passed 600 million recently and it hasn't been release in Italy and Japan yet.
Damn shame the film bombed. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Just blown away. I hope that this film turns out to be a long burn at the box office. People respond to word of mouth so I expect that to be positive. You'd have to be a total tool to flat out dislike this film.
I am worried that so far there is no art of BR49 book, no novelization, no magazine. Nothing.
I think the story of Joi, is much more significant to the film than most people realize. Even in the first film, one of the replicants said that they are not computers, and that they are real because they're physical. In as much as Deccard disregards K at the end, K also sort of disregards Joi towards the end. If I remember correctly. This film is so layered, I will have to see it a dozen times to catch everything...
Joi is a self aware A.I. who is programmed to love her owner.
She's a slave to a slave.
In a world where physical "people" are created and enslaved in a massive scale...
the thoughts and considerations for the freedom of a self aware AI..
without a proper physical body..
would be even less in that fictional world.
She's as much of a "created product" and a real person as the replicants.
Even if her "free-will" is hampered somewhat by her programming.
But the film also questions Rachel's love for Deckard as a programmed thing.
Is Rachel "not a person" due to that? Was her love any less "real" than Joi's?
The film sets up
K and Joi's love as a
thematic mirror to
Deckard and Rachel's.
Blade Runners in love with women whose "personhood"
is brought into question by evil men and women.
And the holo-emitter thing was stolen from Star Trek Voyager. :laugh:
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 09, 2017, 05:51:33 PMI hope that this film turns out to be a long burn at the box office. People respond to word of mouth so I expect that to be positive.
Could be so. I didn't get interested in going to see Arrival until it had been out for two months or so, and there were a
lot of people at that screening.
But bottom line, the movie's good... that's the important thing! ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 09, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
I am worried that so far there is no art of BR49 book, no novelization, no magazine. Nothing.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnecaonline.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2FArt-Soul-BR-1-feat.jpg&hash=8dd3b9e452de41976782bd8ee0d8b7ed190bc7c4)
Release date: October 23.
Hardcover: 224 pages.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Soul-Blade-Runner-2049/dp/1785657585/ref=pd_sbs_21_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GMCPHSBH46YS9KSANV8Y
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Spoiler
1) Is it explained why K. has that real memory of Deckards daughter respectively where he got it from? Is it just to make him a "believer", do other reps have it too?
2) Is it really 100% that K. is not the son of Deckard? The evidence for that is only that one-eyed rep who witnessed the birth, right? I still feel there might be a more ambigious angle to all that. The two identical childs, the one-eyed witness, the real daughter being a memory constructeur, them sharing this memory and K. totally freaking out when they share it etc, i dont know, feels like theres more to it!? Couldnt this be DVs approach to kinda mirror the whole DeckARep discourse from the first one, at least partially?
edit: I mean if that one-eyed woman is the only real evidence, that memory of hers couldve been easily planted by Deckard to further blur the traces, no? Its the old eye metaphor form the original again: just because you think you saw something doesnt make it real. They keep saying they witnessed a miracle, but this miracle couldve been easily fabricated/altered. Thats the original Blade Runner all over, again.
In answer to your questions...
Spoiler
1. I think it means that K is the decoy replicant. Or it could mean that multiple replicants were given the same memory to further cover their tracks after the decoy twin was created. I guess it works either way.
2. Deckard knows he has a daughter, not a son. He knows who is meeting at the end.
Oh, that book looks awesome! I didn't there was something like that coming out as Chapters in Canada doesn't have it listed. They always carry books like this. I'm shocked. Especially considering the Canadian connection. But Amazon will do just fine...
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Spoiler
1) Is it explained why K. has that real memory of Deckards daughter respectively where he got it from? Is it just to make him a "believer", do other reps have it too?
2) Is it really 100% that K. is not the son of Deckard? The evidence for that is only that one-eyed rep who witnessed the birth, right? I still feel there might be a more ambigious angle to all that. The two identical childs, the one-eyed witness, the real daughter being a memory constructeur, them sharing this memory and K. totally freaking out when they share it etc, i dont know, feels like theres more to it!? Couldnt this be DVs approach to kinda mirror the whole DeckARep discourse from the first one, at least partially?
edit: I mean if that one-eyed woman is the only real evidence, that memory of hers couldve been easily planted by Deckard to further blur the traces, no? Its the old eye metaphor form the original again: just because you think you saw something doesnt make it real. They keep saying they witnessed a miracle, but this miracle couldve been easily fabricated/altered. Thats the original Blade Runner all over, again.
In answer to your questions...
Spoiler
1. I think it means that K is the decoy replicant. Or it could mean that multiple replicants were given the same memory to further cover their tracks after the decoy twin was created. I guess it works either way.
2. Deckard knows he has a daughter, not a son. He knows who is meeting at the end.
Spoiler
2. You sure thats presented as 100% fact in the film? I only saw it once but Deckard never speaks of his childs gender (K is shocked when the one-eyed rep leader finally tells him, long after his conversation with Deckard) and we never get to see when Deckard and Rachael actually went seperate ways. Like Wallace said, "it was wise to keep yourself away from information", the gender obviously being a crucial one. He thinks Deckard knows something, but that doesnt mean Deckard knows shyt. He couldve told Rachael everything he knows about disguising identity in this society and then give her in the hands of some reps preprogrammed with false memorys to further blurry traces. Maybe he calculated that as a human he would be more prone to torture and therefore tried to be a "stranger" as much as possible. At the end Deckard seems to know whom he gonna meet, but thats because K told him so (twice i think): "Go see your daughter!"; and right after he saved him: "We will pretend that you drowned, cause now you can see your daughter!" Now Deckard does never comment on these things, but that could mean a hell of things. He could just know now that this fella K thinks this woman is his daughter. Or did i miss anything definite?
In answer to kwisatz...
Spoiler
Deckard created the decoy replicant and then scrambled the records. He must have known the sex of his child, as he deliberately sent everyone chasing after a boy. What he didn't know was who she grew up to be or where to find her. I think!
Mh i think i need to see it again (tomorrow :D) but
Spoiler
i never got the impression Deckard was behind the decoy replicant. Someone mustve planted that toy horse memory in said decoy and that sure couldnt have been Deckard, otherwise he mustve stayed in contact with the original way past his or her birth. And thats definitely not the case, he says so himself: "i never went to see him/her!"
Wasnt there this photo of Rachael with a newborn in front of the tree? There shes alone already. I dunno im still of the impression Deckard left Rachael way before her giving birth to his son/daughter?!
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Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2017, 08:34:44 AM
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'Blade Runner 2049' Is A Box Office Bomb: 10 Reasons It Was Doomed.
I know it may be in poor taste to declare a big and ambitious film to be effectively DOA after three days of domestic release, but as last night's Saturday Night Live musical guest once sang, the writing's on the wall. Blade Runner 2049 opened with just $31.525 million this weekend, including $5m in IMAX, with little reason to hope for huge legs beyond the slightly frontloaded (2.48x weekend multiplier) debut. Yes, the film may have legs due to a lack of big movies between now and Thor, and yes it may do a little better overseas. But (barring an overseas miracle) it's essentially time to die for Blade Runner 2049.
Truth be told, it's not a surprise, as I was always skeptical of the idea that a long, R-rated, adult-skewing sci-fi drama sequel to a 35-year old cult flop would magically produce a global blockbuster result. And in the end, it failed this weekend precisely for all the reasons that we assumed it would. So, without further ado, here are the ten reasons why Blade Runner 2049 turned out to be such a commercial disappointment. In all likelihood, they will all be quickly forgotten in time, like tears in rain.
10. There is a ton of R-rated, adult-skewing competition.
There was a time when being a big-scale, R-rated sci-fi film would automatically make Blade Runner 2049 into an event. Heck, I'm still convinced that was part of Prometheus's initial appeal, existing as a somewhat original, R-rated, big-budget sci-fi movie in a PG-13 time. But today Blade Runner 2049 is merely one big R-rated movie alongside It, mother!, American Assassin, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, American Made, The Foreigner and The Snowman. Heck, in this marketplace, maybe Blade Runner 2049 should have tried to stand out by snagging an NC-17 or a G. After all, not even My Little Pony could manage a G rating.
9. It stole the thunder.
While Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. is distributing Blade Runner 2049 in North America, they are merely taking a distribution fee. The budget was split between Alcon Entertainment and Sony, the latter of whom is distributing the movie overseas. So WB will come out fine, especially as word around the campfire is that Alcon is responsible for the marketing, both commercially and artistically. Nevertheless, while Blade Runner 2049 wanted to be the event movie of the season, WB and New Line's $35 million scary clown movie completely stole its thunder. Yes, It has been out for a while, but those adults who only see one or two movies in theaters a month already used up their date night on the Stephen King adaptation.
8. The Mystery Box marketing backfired.
Alcon was outright draconian in terms of allowing any plot or character details to be included both in the marketing or in the eventual reviews. Some critics got a detailed list of elements they were forbidden from outright referencing in their critiques, so even the mostly rave reviews were unable to tell audiences what the movie was about. The Blade Runner 2049 campaign was merely the fact that it was a Blade Runner sequel, it looked gorgeous and starred Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford. I'm all for spoiler-free marketing, but that usually only works if you have something that audiences are inherently interested in seeing. There was little offered for those not already onboard with the mere idea of a Blade Runner sequel.
7. There was little conventional female appeal.
To be fair, the actual film contains a handful of notable female characters, even if most of them fall into certain tropes (virtual prostitute, actual prostitute, etc.). It desperately needs more Robin Wright and Sylvia Hoeks. Hoeks (essentially the film's Darth Vader/Oddjob) is pretty great, but A) the film is mostly about Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford and B) the marketing emphasized both the whole "dudes being dudes doing dude things" narrative and certain male gaze imagery. Gosling interacting with a gigantic (nude) holographic hottie was a key marketing image, as was a giant statue in the desert of two attractive women making out with each other were key marketing images. Heading into the weekend, the marketing and overall perception of the film was that it was very much a bro sci-fi movie for male fans of the original.
6. Reviews emphasized that it wasn't an action-filled crowdpleaser.
As I've noted before, positive reviews can sometimes backfire depending on how they describe the film. The rave reviews for How to Train Your Dragon 2 which referenced or hinted-at heartbreaking plot turns and emotional rollercoasters didn't work on parents who didn't want to see their kids cry in the theater. Blade Runner 2049 had mostly rave reviews, but those rave reviews emphasized the length, the mood and the lack of conventional action. Again, some of this was a byproduct of not being able to discuss plot details, but the overall impression was that Blade Runner 2049 was a gorgeous looking tone poem where not much happens, which isn't unlike the first film. So for general moviegoers, Kingsman 2 may have seemed the safer bet.
5. It was too long.
Yes, I know, no good movie is too long and no bad movie is too short. But for those adults on the fence about Blade Runner 2049, especially those with kids who would have to be left at home, the prospect of a 2.75-hour movie, with related babysitter, ticket price and food-related expenses, well, that wasn't quite as enticing as the 90-minute Gravity or even the 135-minute It. Like a lot of adult movies in the last two years, Blade Runner 2049 was a victim of improved at-home viewing options. Sure, folks may have been curious, but it was all too easy to wait 90 days and watch the film on VOD or Blu-Ray from the comfort of home.
4. Blade Runner 2049 was not remotely kid-friendly.
If you're playing the generational nostalgia card, it helps if the adults who now have kids and jobs have the option of taking their kids with them to the theater. That's the difference between Tron: Legacy (a PG-rated, Walt Disney-produced sci-fi actioner released during the Christmas season) and Blade Runner 2049. The film had zero youth appeal. Even if adult fans of the film were intrigued by the prospect of a sequel, were they intrigued enough to A) ditch the family or B) spring for a sitter and related expenses? No, not every movie has to be geared toward kids, but if you're attempting to snag fans who were young when the original debuted but are now old, it helps if we geezers can take our kids to the theater as well.
3. Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford aren't openers.
Harrison Ford is worth his weight in gold for Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. But outside of those flagship franchises, he hasn't had a big opener since What Lies Beneath way back in 2000. And hell, a $31 million debut for Blade Runner 2049 isn't even his biggest non-Star Wars/Indy debut, as Air Force One snagged $37m back in 1997 ($71m adjusted) and Cowboys and Aliens opened with $36m in 2011. Ryan Gosling may be the Internet's boyfriend, but he can't open an envelope, which makes him like most would-be big (white male) movie stars of today. Heck, Gosling's biggest hit outside of La La Land is the $86m-grossing Crazy Stupid Love (an ensemble film). They may get attention online, but they don't put butts in the theater seats.
2. Blade Runner means nothing to general audiences.
This turned out to be a case where online fandom was not remotely representative of general audience interest. We've been down this road before, with Scott Pilgrim versus the World or John Carter. General audiences aren't anywhere near as obsessed about Blade Runner as we film nerds, and plenty of general moviegoers (young and old) have little-to-know interest or connection to the original film. So making a very expensive sequel that damn-well requires you to have seen the original isn't exactly a good bet. The Internet freaked out over Zoolander, No. 2, but general moviegoers flocked to Deadpool instead. Yes, social media-friendly nostalgia works when folks can stay home and watch more Gilmore Girls or X-Files, but when feeding said nostalgia involves leaving the house, especially without the kids, it's a trickier game.
1. Don't make a Blade Runner sequel that's so expensive that it must perform like a Star Wars sequel.
If we ignore everything else about how Blade Runner 2049 performed this weekend, we should note that it was totally insane that Alcon and Sony spent $155 million (after rebates) on a sequel to a cult classic that made less than $30m back in 1982. In a vacuum, a $31m domestic debut for a 2.75-hour, R-rated sci-fi tone poem isn't half bad. If Blade Runner 2049, with its rave reviews and Oscar buzz, had cost maybe $80m I would be singing a very different tune. But at $155m (or more), this project was doomed from the start, another victim of conventional wisdom about what a hit movie theoretically looks like.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/08/10-reasons-blade-runner-2049-was-doomed-at-the-u-s-box-office/#27b1f08b24fb
So: Blade Runner 2049 would have been successful if it wasn't a Blade Runner film. Got it. ::)
We've been given a wonderful film, way better than expected. I'm happy as a clam.
The problem was its huge budget. Denis Villeneuve could have made the same exact film with less money. 2049 didn't spend in huge action scenes. I think 2049 needed to have a smaller budget of 100-110 Million USD.
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Mh i think i need to see it again (tomorrow :D) but
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i never got the impression Deckard was behind the decoy replicant. Someone mustve planted that toy horse memory in said decoy and that sure couldnt have been Deckard, otherwise he mustve stayed in contact with the original way past his or her birth. And thats definitely not the case, he says so himself: "i never went to see him/her!"
Wasnt there this photo of Rachael with a newborn in front of the tree? There shes alone already. I dunno im still of the impression Deckard left Rachael way before her giving birth to his son/daughter?!
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The photo wasn't of Rachel as she dies in childbirth. It was the one eyed replicant holding the child, before she lost her eye. Deckard must have been in touch with Sapper at some point, as he made the toy horse from the wood that gives away his location and that had to make it from Deckard to the child at some point.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 09, 2017, 08:41:03 PM
The problem was its huge budget. Denis Villeneuve could have made the same exact film with less money. 2049 didn't spend in huge action scenes. I think 2049 needed to have a smaller budget of 100-110 Million USD.
You should probably go get a job in Hollywood mate. You could save the studios a fortune. You seem to have real grasp of budgets and stuff.
@Rudiger
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Ah your right, i forgot that the toy horse was made by Deckard as implied by the other carved animals in his "appartment". Still it could just be delivered somehow... i think the other animals on that table might even tell us that the contact from then on was cut entirely.
Another thing that bugs me with the whole decoy thing: K is comparing those two samples and then flat out states "impossible for two humans to have the same dna, one must be artificial". Yea, but identical twins? And yes they can be of opposite gender, its rare but it happens, plus who knows what the biological rules are for born replicants... could it be? Though i doubt thats something the film wanted to imply... then again...
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
@Rudiger
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Ah your right, i forgot that the toy horse was made by Deckard as implied by the other carved animals in his "appartment". Still it could just be delivered somehow... i think the other animals on that table might even tell us that the contact from then on was cut entirely.
Another thing that bugs me with the whole decoy thing: K is comparing those two samples and then flat out states "impossible for two humans to have the same dna, one must be artificial". Yea, but identical twins? And yes they can be of opposite gender, its rare but it happens, plus who knows what the biological rules are for born replicants... could it be? Though i doubt thats something the film wanted to imply... then again...
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I think Deckard was in contact with Sapper for a period of time, which is how the toy reached his daughter. As for the second point, K discovers two separate DNA profile entries in the database, not an entry for twins. That's how he spots the anomaly.
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But whats he checking for again? Childs born at that that certain date 610 whatever, right? How could an artificial one be ready made on the same day the original was born? And whats this registry from anyway? Hospitals? Rachael had her super secret child born at an official place?
Its getting late im getting more and more confused. Next thing is, how can K be the decoy replicant, that would mean he wasnt one of the newer models but hes still able to pretend to be one although we see that he literally gets tested for deviations every time he docks at the police station? ???
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
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But whats he checking for again? Childs born at that that certain date 610 whatever, right? How could an artificial one be ready made on the same day the original was born? And whats this registry from anyway? Hospitals? Rachael had her super secret child born at an official place?
Its getting late im getting more and more confused. Next thing is, how can K be the decoy replicant, that would mean he wasnt one of the newer models but hes still able to pretend to be one although we see that he literally gets tested for deviations every time he docks at the police station? ???
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He was tracking the child, so I guess those archives contained birth dates and DNA records. I'm no expert on DNA, or what might be possible one day, so maybe all he needed was Rachel's profile? Anyway, the daughter's birth couldn't be hidden, as she definitely went into the orphanage. But then the coverup began, with the EMP bomb that destroyed all digital records, the destruction of the orphanage's records, and the creation of the duplicate file where the Boy child was created and also entered into the system. As to your second point, maybe K isn't a decoy (I could easily be wrong on that one). Maybe the memory maker sold that memory to Wallace and it got dumped into hundreds of replicants. Who would know other than her? .
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Ja i was kinda on that "sold to Wallace" track too with K being a random new model who happened to share this memory. But i dont like that really any more. Why would she sell such an important memory (her emotional reaction to it makes it look like a traumatic event). Plus you got K's emotional reaction to it and him claiming: "i know this actually happened to a human being" and then he freaks out completely (though hes not supposed to, as a new model). And then you have this really long sequence where he finds the horse and the music is exploding and hes totally overwhelmed, all for nothing, all just a ploy? I dont know the film seem to tell us in the end theres nothing special about K (except for the whole finding purpose angle of course) but seems to undermine this perspective at the same time.... hm.
The fakk, no soundtrack on CD? dafuggsgoinon?
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 09, 2017, 11:28:13 PM
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Ja i was kinda on that "sold to Wallace" track too with K being a random new model who happened to share this memory. But i dont like that really any more. Why would she sell such an important memory (her emotional reaction to it makes it look like a traumatic event). Plus you got K's emotional reaction to it and him claiming: "i know this actually happened to a human being" and then he freaks out completely (though hes not supposed to, as a new model). And then you have this really long sequence where he finds the horse and the music is exploding and hes totally overwhelmed, all for nothing, all just a ploy? I dont know the film seem to tell us in the end theres nothing special about K (except for the whole finding purpose angle of course) but seems to undermine this perspective at the same time.... hm.
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There's that line about how all memory makers put something of themselves into their work. So maybe she cried because she feared she might be arrested, as giving replicants real memories is illegal. Why is it illegal? Well, look at the effect it has on K. He literally begins to unravel from that moment on. Now we - and he - think it's for one reason (that he's special), but maybe thats just a side effect of what happens if a replicant discovers it's memories are real: it goes nuts, which could be a very dangerous thing. Add to that scenario the idea that if K is right, he might actually be hunting himself. What a mindf**k...
Quote from: Jango1201 on Oct 09, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
I heard Blade Runner only made 31 million opening weekend. Almost 20 mil short of projected gross.
Unfortunately, that is correct.
The studio which owns the rights to the movie, Alcon Entertainment, is in big trouble if "Blade Runner 2049" isn't a hit (makes $400 million at the box office).
QuoteAlcon's future depends on Blade Runner 2049, the sequel to Ridley Scott's sci-fi epic that hits theaters Oct. 6. "This is a chips-in-the-center-of-the-table exercise," says Kosove...
the movie will need to clear $400 million at the worldwide box office to be considered a win.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/blade-runner-2049-behind-big-bet-by-alcon-a-sequel-1043128
"BR 2049" has a $150 million production budget and imo it will be lucky to make $300 million.
Too bad. I like art style films. But for that kind of movie to work it needs to have a low production budget (like "Arrival" which had a production budget of $47 million so its box office of $203 million made it a hit).
"BR 2049" (which has many quality things about it) needed to have its budget cut down to about $90 million for it to have a chance financially.
;)
While BR 2049 doesn't necessarily demand a sequel (personally, I think it's perfect as is), I don't think Alcon going under would diminish the chances of that happening. Somebody would pick up the rights.
Whether by luck or judgement, the studio has created a great movie - way better than Dunkirk and this year's standout movie for me. Going down in a Blade Runner blaze of glory somehow seems fitting.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 10, 2017, 07:01:09 AM
While BR 2049 doesn't necessarily demand a sequel (personally, I think it's perfect as is),
There are two reasons I think the groundwork was laid for a potential sequel:
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1. The Niander Wallace story is incomplete.
The guy is an evil, motherf**ker and yet he gets neither his comeuppance, nor (if you prefer darker endings) does he get to wallow in triumph. His story just... ends - actually it doesn't even do that - the credits just roll and there is no Niander Wallace ending.
It's obvious to me there's something missing there. As it is, when he loses his prized Deckard there isn't even a single shot of him fuming over the news.
OTOH, if the writers intended to continue the Wallace story in a follow up movie, that would explain it.
2. The very late introduction of One-Eyed Woman and her band of replicant rebels.
The general rule of thumb is that you don't introduce new and important characters to the plot just before the last act. It doesn't give them enough time to make a big impression on the audience.
If all One-Eyed Woman did was reveal herself as the midwife that would have been OK, but she's also the leader of a fearsome rebellion. You can't leave something as important as that just hanging there.
...unless you're preparing a multi-part story like a TV show (or a couple of movies), and need to whet the audience's appetite in order to bring them back after a season break. In that case, late-breaking characters and the foreshadowing of big things to come would be standard operating procedure.
Fortunately the movie is strong enough to survive these little niggles. IMO.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 10, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 10, 2017, 07:01:09 AM
While BR 2049 doesn't necessarily demand a sequel (personally, I think it's perfect as is),
There are two reasons I think the groundwork was laid for a potential sequel:
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1. The Niander Wallace story is incomplete.
The guy is an evil, motherf**ker and yet he gets neither his comeuppance, nor (if you prefer darker endings) does he get to wallow in triumph. His story just... ends - actually it doesn't even do that - the credits just roll and there is no Niander Wallace ending.
It's obvious to me there's something missing there. As it is, when he loses his prized Deckard there isn't even a single shot of him fuming over the news.
OTOH, if the writers intended to continue the Wallace story in a follow up movie, that would explain it.
2. The very late introduction of One-Eyed Woman and her band of replicant rebels.
The general rule of thumb is that you don't introduce new and important characters to the plot just before the last act. It doesn't give them enough time to make a big impression on the audience.
If all One-Eyed Woman did was reveal herself as the midwife that would have been OK, but she's also the leader of a fearsome rebellion. You can't leave something as important as that just hanging there.
...unless you're preparing a multi-part story like a TV show (or a couple of movies), and need to whet the audience's appetite in order to bring them back after a season break. In that case, late-breaking characters and the foreshadowing of big things to come would be standard operating procedure.
Fortunately the movie is strong enough to survive these little niggles. IMO.
TC
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There you go, no need to make the movie as you can already see how it will play out. Besides, I doubt Ford would have any interest in coming back for a third instalment. What would be the point?
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 10, 2017, 05:47:47 AM
Quote from: Jango1201 on Oct 09, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
I heard Blade Runner only made 31 million opening weekend. Almost 20 mil short of projected gross.
Unfortunately, that is correct.
The studio which owns the rights to the movie, Alcon Entertainment, is in big trouble if "Blade Runner 2049" isn't a hit (makes $400 million at the box office).
Alcon Entertainment didn't finance it all by themselves though. Sony Pictures was also a co-investor so they will take some of the brunt. And Warner bought the distribution rights for the USA so it will likely hurt them as well as it seems to be performing reasonably ok overseas where Sony is handling the distribution.
I think BR2049 was a "passion project" for Kosove. He knew the risks (it's a sequel to a major box office bomb after all) and I think he went in knowing that this was likely going to take a long time to pay off. He gave Villeneuve free reign, knowing that it will likely became a cult classic that will continue to sell well for decades to come.
It's an evergreen.
It'll have much more longevity than say.... Ant Man or Doctor Strange.
Nobody's gonna care about those in 20 years.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 10, 2017, 04:05:24 PM
It's an evergreen.
It'll have much more longevity than say.... Ant Man or Doctor Strange.
Nobody's gonna care about those in 20 years.
I don't sure. 2049 was very good but kind of normal. It wasn't ground-breaking or a masterpiece like the original Blade Runner(Ridley Scott).
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 10, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
It wasn't ground-breaking or a masterpiece like the original Blade Runner(Ridley Scott).
PierreVW, we all know that Scott directer
BR :)
I love the original, the first cut I saw as a 16 year old, narration and all. I'd say 2049 is easily it's equal.
Visually it's a masterpiece but as a movie itself isn't as good as original.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 10, 2017, 08:05:05 PM
I love the original, the first cut I saw as a 16 year old, narration and all. I'd say 2049 is easily it's equal.
How many times have you seen 2049?
8th, have you seen it yet? I still haven't seen your opinion.
Visuals:
BR < 2049
Narrative fiction/storytelling:
BR>2049
Villains:
BR>2049
Music:
BR>2049
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
I still haven't seen your opinion.
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until I've seen it several times and adequately studied it Ingwar. I find it rather amusing how certain "professional" critics loudly proclaim 2049 to be "better" than the original after only one viewing. One of them even admitted that it took him 10 years to discover that he had mistakenly received two Blade Runner Workprint discs instead of a Final Cut disc. Go figure.
The original is so incredibly rich and complex, the more you watch it the better and deeper it gets.
Anyway, I still need to get around to reviewing Covenant as well, but I think I've only seen it four times so far. :laugh:
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
8th, have you seen it yet? I still haven't seen your opinion.
Visuals:
BR < 2049
Narrative fiction/storytelling:
BR>2049
Villains:
BR>2049
Music:
BR>2049
I agree with you. First time ever.
Saw it 2nd time today. I really really like this movie.
It might not actually surpass the original but it comes close. Main reason for me is that Goslings "character" is, in my opinion, a more interesting character than good old heavily noir inspired Deckard. With the
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Anti-StarWars/Matrixetcetcetc Chosen One twist and that gut wrenching last scene with holographic Joi followed by his truly heroic/tragic decision to fight anyway
i really think he will go down as one of the most memorable characters in scifimovie history.
Man this film is hard, philosophical, bleak yet compellingly human at its core. Im surely forgetting something at the moment but this might as well be the best scifi film since the original... for me.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 10, 2017, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
8th, have you seen it yet? I still haven't seen your opinion.
Visuals:
BR < 2049
Narrative fiction/storytelling:
BR>2049
Villains:
BR>2049
Music:
BR>2049
I agree with you. First time ever.
;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until I've seen it several times and adequately studied it Ingwar.
I have seen it twice and I don't know if there is as much to study as with the original one. Anyway, what was your first impression?
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 10:02:02 PM
I have seen it twice and I don't know if there is as much to study as with the original one. Anyway, what was your first impression?
I think it's a really good film but Villeneuve's vision of the world is just too different from the original for my liking. And I can understand why he did it. But it lacked the retro-noir feel and texture of the original. Too modern, clean, sleek and commercial for my taste as a Blade Runner film. It's really not the same world anymore even if it seems that way for casual viewers. I would actually have liked it a lot more if it was an original science fiction film with no connection to Blade Runner because now I'm constantly making comparisons to the two and 2049 keeps coming up short.
That said, we'll see how it ages, maybe I'll like it more given more time maybe not.
"Casual viewers" ::)
It's like NickIsSmart all over again.
@Rudiger
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After my 2nd viewing i think it works best for me to consider K completely unconnected to the Deckard family and to this whole attempt to cover his daughters tracks. When K freaks out at that memory sharing moment, i think its really because he could see that its an actual memory but he will never be able to experience it like "a real boy", an actual human. In this moment he feels the whole distance between him and a being with a soul, one might even argue thats the revealing moment that hes not the born replicant. Then again he still might be special in the sense that hes the first of the new models who is actually able to break out of that psychic cage that holds all the others back from developing a truly conscious self. It all leads to him being able to make the autonomous decision to help the Deckard family despite him being kneedeep inside a personal downward spiral. But from an objective point this all adds more and more value to his actions at the end, making him a tragic character in the truest sense of the concept.
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 10, 2017, 10:55:18 PM
@Rudiger
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After my 2nd viewing i think it works best for me to consider K completely unconnected to the Deckard family and to this whole attempt to cover his daughters tracks. When K freaks out at that memory sharing moment, i think its really because he could see that its an actual memory but he will never be able to experience it like "a real boy", an actual human. In this moment he feels the whole distance between him and a being with a soul, one might even argue thats the revealing moment that hes not the born replicant. Then again he still might be special in the sense that hes the first of the new models who is actually able to break out of that psychic cage that holds all the others back from developing a truly conscious self. It all leads to him being able to make the autonomous decision to help the Deckard family despite him being kneedeep inside a personal downward spiral. But from an objective point this all adds more and more value to his actions at the end, making him a tragic character in the truest sense of the concept.
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I put K's freak out at the memory booth down to two things: one, him believing that he's the miracle child, and two, him realising that he's now effectively hunting himself. That's gonna mess with anyone's head! I didn't take the "breaking free" bit to be all that significant in and of itself, as he was routinely being tested to ensure he was still "on track". I assume this means that other replicants of the same type were going through similar testing elsewhere. Once they showed signs of going off the rails, they became targets for the blade runners. Remember how his boss gave him a couple of hours to get out of Dodge. Even his lie about killing the child wasn't going to save him. He was doomed to be hunted. Tragic indeed.
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Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 10, 2017, 10:55:18 PM
@Rudiger
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After my 2nd viewing i think it works best for me to consider K completely unconnected to the Deckard family and to this whole attempt to cover his daughters tracks. When K freaks out at that memory sharing moment, i think its really because he could see that its an actual memory but he will never be able to experience it like "a real boy", an actual human. In this moment he feels the whole distance between him and a being with a soul, one might even argue thats the revealing moment that hes not the born replicant. Then again he still might be special in the sense that hes the first of the new models who is actually able to break out of that psychic cage that holds all the others back from developing a truly conscious self. It all leads to him being able to make the autonomous decision to help the Deckard family despite him being kneedeep inside a personal downward spiral. But from an objective point this all adds more and more value to his actions at the end, making him a tragic character in the truest sense of the concept.
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I put K's freak out at the memory booth down to two things: one, him believing that he's the miracle child, and two, him realising that he's now effectively hunting himself. That's gonna mess with anyone's head! I didn't take the "breaking free" bit to be all that significant in and of itself, as he was routinely being tested to ensure he was still "on track". I assume this means that other replicants of the same type were going through similar testing elsewhere. Once they showed signs of going off the rails, they became targets for the blade runners. Remember how his boss gave him a couple of hours to get out of Dodge. Even his lie about killing the child wasn't going to save him. He was doomed to be hunted. Tragic indeed.
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I agree about the him suddenly becoming the prey bit that should be added to the reasons of his freak out but i really dont think any longer that he actually was thinking he could be the born replicant.
The film for me makes a constant effort to show that the world K has build around himself is fundamentally based on self-deception. For example take that long sequence where Joi is trying to synchronize with that prostitute to give him an actual physical sex experience with someone he thinks hes loving. It just doesnt really work: the prostitute constantly shines through so to say. I really dont think there was an actual moment when he could convince himself that he was sleeping with Joi as a somewhat physical entity.
Now in the memory sharing scene, compare his reaction to the daughters reaction. Shes crying while watching the memory unfold on the screen but K is not. Just like throughout the whole film his facial expression is more or less the same. He just doesnt feel it i think. He might trick himself into thinking that he has a real emotion here, but its rather obvious, just like that prostitutes silhouette is constantly shining through, that theres a fundamental difference , a constant gap between the fabricated memory installed in his mind and an actual emotionally significant memory. When that one-eyed leader finally tells him hes not the one he appears to be shocked for a moment, but my impression was that he had known it for a long time before, just buried deep inside him. In the end he just fully embraces this knowledge and accepts his "Dasein", mainly due to the fact that he still finds purpose in saving Deckard and his daughter and therefore is able to give meaning to his existence.
I dont know, i have to see it again. :D
I would go one level deeper here.
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Seeing how Joi exalted herself to a human status, by sacrificing herself for him, although she wasn't even physical, made K decide that it is ultimately more worthwhile for him to do the same, and in so doing, he attained humanhood just as Joi did
I am coining this phrase right here.
Vangelis is the H.R. Giger of Blade Runner. The only thing that is fundamentally not in tune about BR49 is the lack of Vangelis music. He is still the grand master of electronica.
Just listen to his recent disc Rosetta, and tell me this material wasn't good enough to be the new music for BR49. He's still got it.
It was a crying shame that HR Giger never got to participate properly in an Aliens film, and it's a a true loss that Vangelis didn't participate in this new project.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 08:09:25 PM
Visually it's a masterpiece but as a movie itself isn't as good as original.
That fits my view of the two Blade Runner films.
- Villeneuve is a top notch visual stylist. That's clear from viewing "2049"' and "Arrival".
- But with science fiction, in my mind I strip away the visuals and expect the story alone to work logically according to the rules the film sets up (and if needed what is known in the franchise and our world).
- With "2049" my son (who is a solid science fiction fan) and myself have gone over the film scene by scene in our discussions.
And looking at the logic of the story, within its own world, several sections of "2049" in our opinions begin to fall apart in terms of logic when the plot is looked at closely.
* By contrast, the original "Blade Runner" has a story which when examined closely is solid.
* I can't get into details yet here because this thread isn't ready to openly discuss "2049" spoilers.
But the time for that discussion will come.
- I'll leave with this. The original "Blade Runner" is considered by the top international film critics to be one of the best movies ever made (# 69).
http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/sightandsoundpoll2012/critics
It's going to take quite a bit for "2049" to equal that or knock the original off its pedestal imo.
- I'm fine if others disagree of course.
On IMDb I interacted with several film buffs who trashed the original "Blade Runner".
;)
I see some people are reserving judgement until they've thought about it and maybe seen it a few more times. I can understand that.
But judgment is one thing. Enjoyment is another. And you'll know that immediately, even while sitting in the theatre still in the act of watching. How do you know if you're enjoying a movie? By making a checklist of pros and cons? and cross referencing the results with past experiences?
NO!
Enjoyment is a feeling. It's instantaneous. And that's always my first appraisal of a film. What I can say unequivocally is that I enjoyed BR 2049.
Is it a great film? I've already decided that it's good, but how far up the scale... I'm still deciding.
I have to say, though, that I've been accused of having a very low bar when it comes to movies. In sci-fi, the Abyss is usually up there in my top 10, despite the entire third act which is far too sappy for my liking. 2001 is probably my number 1 or 2 - but that stargate sequence and then the hotel room and the star child? I hate 'em (and usually stop watching the moment Bowman leaves the Discovery for the last time). Closer to home, I've probably watched Alien and Aliens 10x more often than Blade Runner. But I think BR is probably the better film.
TC
Finally got around to seeing it and this movie was awesome. Totally enjoyed it and I was not bored once the entire evening. Only weak thing was Jared Leto and old man Han Solo from TFA but no film is prefect. I'm very much pleased with how good it was.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 11, 2017, 02:06:52 AM
And looking at the logic of the story, within its own world, several sections of "2049" in our opinions begin to fall apart in terms of logic when the plot is looked at closely.
* By contrast, the original "Blade Runner" has a story which when examined closely is solid.
IMHO I'd say the exact opposite is true. When you look at Blade Runner, you can see that the problems that beset the original (strikes, delays, budgets), end up diluting the entire point of the movie by leading, ultimately, to the insert of the unicorn scene. At least 2049 fixes that and gets to the heart of the original proposition.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
I think it's a really good film but Villeneuve's vision of the world is just too different from the original for my liking. And I can understand why he did it. But it lacked the retro-noir feel and texture of the original. Too modern, clean, sleek and commercial for my taste as a Blade Runner film. It's really not the same world anymore even if it seems that way for casual viewers. I would actually have liked it a lot more if it was an original science fiction film with no connection to Blade Runner because now I'm constantly making comparisons to the two and 2049 keeps coming up short.
Totally agree. However, we all knew before that it was going to look different. My problem isn't
the look but the content and
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Wallace's revelation (or just assumption?) in the third act. I just hate when they change plot of the original so it can fit into the new one: Deckard meets Rachael as a part of Tyrell's plan to find out if replicants can reproduce? In BR they just met because he was investigating. I may change my mind about that idea. But for now it drives my mad.
I found this article interesting:
Question Club: Was Blade Runner 2049 worth the 35-year wait?https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/10/16449364/blade-runner-2049-harrison-ford-ryan-gosling-denis-villeneuve-movie-roundtable
In response to Ingwar above...
If the film had no connection to Blade Runner, we would all be sitting here screaming RIP-OFF!!!!
Anyway, back to spoiler mode...
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To me, BR 2049 is as good if not better than the original because it builds on the question at the heart of the first film - what it means to be human. I feel it goes deeper and shows us that in a world where replicants (and possibly even AI), can be sentient and truly "feel", then being human really doesn't mean all that much. It's your actions and empathy towards others that count - whether you be replicant or human.
I should stress that I don't have anything against the original. I love it. But it's the early cuts that I love, where Deckard is most definitely human. To me, him being "re-cast" as a replicant weakens the central premise of the movie.
@ Perfect Organism
The Vangelis soundtrack for Blade Runner is amazing. Take it away and the movie wouldn't be as powerful (same goes for Chariots of Fire). That said, I thought the soundtrack for 2049 - and it's sparing use of Vangelis - was equally as good. For me, when they did use it, it really packed a punch.
I Think they used too much Vangelis in fact. This led to recycling his music. They should have Vangelis create a new score altogether. That's what was missing. It's not about reusing. It's about a missed opportunity to get some fresh Vangelis. I mean, they used his old music in the trailers to promote the film. They knew how much gravitas his score has. But I think they were afraid of working with Vangelis for the same reasons people were afraid to work with Giger. He's a bit eccentric.
Otherwise I love the film.
Saw it in 3D and I really enjoyed it. It just mesmerised me and oddly for me the film flew by. I didn't know how much time had passed until I had to get up to use the toilet halfway through lol
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
I Think they used too much Vangelis in fact. This led to recycling his music. They should have Vangelis create a new score altogether. That's what was missing. It's not about reusing. It's about a missed opportunity to get some fresh Vangelis. I mean, they used his old music in the trailers to promote the film. They knew how much gravitas his score has. But I think they were afraid of working with Vangelis for the same reasons people were afraid to work with Giger. He's a bit eccentric.
Otherwise I love the film.
Blade Runner was the first soundtrack I ever bought. It's something I listen to a lot, so I found it easy to spot those riffs - so much so, I didn't really pick up on the new score too much first time around. Now that I've listened to it a couple of times at home, it's really begun to grow on me. I love Vangelis, and with Zimmer and Wallfisch picking up the baton this time around, I'm glad I'm not having to compare one Vangelis soundtrack against another.
You know what? I don't really like Deckard's daughter. She seems a pretty bad person for creating fake memories for innocent artificial sentient beings.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 10, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
"Casual viewers" ::)
It's like NickIsSmart all over again.
Touchy, aren't you?
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 11, 2017, 02:06:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2017, 08:09:25 PM
Visually it's a masterpiece but as a movie itself isn't as good as original.
That fits my view of the two Blade Runner films.
- Villeneuve is a top notch visual stylist. That's clear from viewing "2049"' and "Arrival".
- But with science fiction, in my mind I strip away the visuals and expect the story alone to work logically according to the rules the film sets up (and if needed what is known in the franchise and our world).
- With "2049" my son (who is a solid science fiction fan) and myself have gone over the film scene by scene in our discussions.
And looking at the logic of the story, within its own world, several sections of "2049" in our opinions begin to fall apart in terms of logic when the plot is looked at closely.
* By contrast, the original "Blade Runner" has a story which when examined closely is solid.
* I can't get into details yet here because this thread isn't ready to openly discuss "2049" spoilers.
But the time for that discussion will come.
- I'll leave with this. The original "Blade Runner" is considered by the top international film critics to be one of the best movies ever made (# 69).
http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/sightandsoundpoll2012/critics
It's going to take quite a bit for "2049" to equal that or knock the original off its pedestal imo.
- I'm fine if others disagree of course.
On IMDb I interacted with several film buffs who trashed the original "Blade Runner".
;)
I agree with you. First time ever.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2017, 08:36:48 AM
Spoiler
Wallace's revelation (or just assumption?) in the third act. I just hate when they change plot of the original so it can fit into the new one: Deckard meets Rachael as a part of Tyrell's plan to find out if replicants can reproduce? In BR they just met because he was investigating. I may change my mind about that idea. But for now it drives my mad.
Spoiler
I think Wallace only speculated on that possibility but yeah, if we assume Deckard is not only a replicant (as Scott has been insisting for decades) but also a "special" one capable of siring offspring then the original meeting between him and Rachael would have needed to be set up by Tyrell. Which would be daft. Maybe this means Harrison Ford finally won the Deck-a-Rep battle? :laugh:
In reply to Ingwar
I only saw the movie for the first time earlier today, and that exact scene didn't sit with me for this exact reason. I did find it fun how they played around with implying Deckard is a replicant.... and then not. :laugh: I genuinely found that fun.
But to answer your question - what do you think of the possibility that Wallace was bluffing? Like, he knew about Deckard and Rachel's relationship, and created a Rachel mockup for the sole reason of (hopefully) confronting him and using the replicant to emotionally influence him so he would share the whereabouts of his daughter? Like it sounds like an insanely risky and expensive move, but it might just work? Or maybe not, just speculating here.
Ridley will say anything if there's money on the table.
Anybody know what the best BR forum is? I need to delve deep..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
Anybody know what the best BR forum is? I need to delve deep..
Dude! What are we... chopped liver?
Post away!
Quote from: Deadmeat on Oct 11, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
In reply to Ingwar
I only saw the movie for the first time earlier today, and that exact scene didn't sit with me for this exact reason. I did find it fun how they played around with implying Deckard is a replicant.... and then not. :laugh: I genuinely found that fun.
But to answer your question - what do you think of the possibility that Wallace was bluffing? Like, he knew about Deckard and Rachel's relationship, and created a Rachel mockup for the sole reason of (hopefully) confronting him and using the replicant to emotionally influence him so he would share the whereabouts of his daughter? Like it sounds like an insanely risky and expensive move, but it might just work? Or maybe not, just speculating here.
Spoiler
I don't think that Wallace was buffing. He just wanted to buy Deckard and for that reason he created new Rachael for him. As a gift.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2017, 08:36:48 AM
Spoiler
Wallace's revelation (or just assumption?) in the third act. I just hate when they change plot of the original so it can fit into the new one: Deckard meets Rachael as a part of Tyrell's plan to find out if replicants can reproduce? In BR they just met because he was investigating. I may change my mind about that idea. But for now it drives my mad.
Spoiler
I think Wallace only speculated on that possibility but yeah, if we assume Deckard is not only a replicant (as Scott has been insisting for decades) but also a "special" one capable of siring offspring then the original meeting between him and Rachael would have needed to be set up by Tyrell. Which would be daft. Maybe this means Harrison Ford finally won the Deck-a-Rep battle? :laugh:
But this is what has happened. If Deckard is a replicant and Ridley Scott says so because he made the original, then according to
2049 Spoiler
his meeting with Rachael in Tyrell's HQ was set up by Tyrell himself.
And you are right, that would be daft. It deeply, deeply saddens me :)
QuoteThat said, I thought the soundtrack for 2049 - and it's sparing use of Vangelis - was equally as good. For me, when they did use it, it really packed a punch.
I really liked it too. Think a too melodic sound (which Vangelis for me is) wouldve not been that fitting to the considerably bleaker atmosphere DV was going for. Id describe the original Blade Runner as a more poetic approach (which kinda is Ridleys general style), 2049 seems to be more in the brooding camp. Theres some kind of realistic/naturalistic aura around DVs projects, while Ridley tends to tell in a more classic/romantic fashion. Its kinda like Burtons Batman vs Nolans.
Zimmers musical approach reminds me heavily of current electronic ambient/drone pieces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP6xjKmGPAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP6xjKmGPAY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbByQ6bjRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbByQ6bjRY)
@ Ingwar....
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If Tyrell went to the trouble of creating a replicant capable of childbirth (Rachel), isn't it reasonable to think that he would also come up with a plan to ensure she conceived? That seems entirely logical. And Deckard ain't no replicant. Never has been.
@ kwisatz
My favourite...
Ja great one, its when K and Joi drive/fly to the orphanage, right? Beginning with that sequence where water is released from that dam/wall. Great, goosebumps.
I be really p1ssed if they dont release the soundtrack on CD.
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 11, 2017, 06:11:04 PM
Ja great one, its when K and Joi drive/fly to the orphanage, right? Beginning with that sequence where water is released from that dam/wall. Great, goosebumps.
I be really p1ssed if they dont release the soundtrack on CD.
Really haunting.
And you could always buy it on iTunes and burn your own CD.
I dont use iTunes but if the quality of the soundfiles there is more or less similar to amazon music and the like its a major difference between a professionally fabricated CD and a selfmade one. And i want to hear it on my stereo, so...
@Ingwar
Hampton Fancher: "Ridley's off. He's totally wrong. His idea is too complex."
And now?
DVs viewpoint works best for me:
"If Ridley was sitting here now he would say, 'What are you talking about? He is a replicant.' But when you speak to Harrison Ford he'll say, 'Of course he's human.' Me, I just love the question, and honestly, that's what's interesting about science fiction."
No matter what, i think one need to give DV (and the screenwriters) huge credit for the way he handled this delicate topic in 2049!
Im sure though in the upcoming first prequel back under Scotts sole reign he will introduce Gaff as the engineer of Deckard --
Deckard is very obviously a replicant in 2049. Otherwise, he wouldn't resist the radiation of the place he lives in.
Naw K is scanning that specific area with that drone thing and it says 'low radiation' or something.
Plus: bees!
Omg that camera pan down that ATARI street canyon; im unworthy :-X
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 11, 2017, 07:09:55 PM
Deckard is very obviously a replicant in 2049. Otherwise, he wouldn't resist the radiation of the place he lives in.
The film doesn't address Deckard being or not being a replicant in any way.
...But if you wanna go there...
The mere existence of Blade Runner 2049 suggests that Deckard is not a replicant. In the original film, replicants had a limited 4 year lifespan. Blade Runner 2049 takes place 30 years after the events of the first film. Under the most optimistic conditions, being that the events of the original film take place during the first day of Deckard's life as a replicant, he'd still die 7.5 times before the events of Blade Runner 2049 would even take place.
Im not sure if this may be a mistake on the part of the writers but in 2049 even the old models dont seem to have a limited life span. Otherwise there wouldnt be any use for Blade Runners any longer.
Take Sapper (think he says hes been a farmer since 2020) and that one-eyed rebellion leader who witnessed the birth
Spoiler
of Deckards daughter
Something is said about that issue in the text at the start but i just dont remember. Maybe these are the generations right after the Bettys before Tyrell got bankrupt and they had thei life span no longer limited!?
Ah and i didnt watch all that viral stuff, might be explained there.
edit: Or wait are these already Wallaces replicants? Maybe i shouldve watched these short films... ::)
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 11, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 11, 2017, 07:09:55 PM
Deckard is very obviously a replicant in 2049. Otherwise, he wouldn't resist the radiation of the place he lives in.
The film doesn't address Deckard being or not being a replicant in any way.
...But if you wanna go there...
The mere existence of Blade Runner 2049 suggests that Deckard is not a replicant. In the original film, replicants had a limited 4 year lifespan. Blade Runner 2049 takes place 30 years after the events of the first film. Under the most optimistic conditions, being that the events of the original film take place during the first day of Deckard's life as a replicant, he'd still die 7.5 times before the events of Blade Runner 2049 would even take place.
Yeah, but not all replicants in the original had a four year lifespan. Rachel was the first of a new generation, with no pre-set end date. So if you believe Deckard is a replicant (which he isn't :D), he could be the same model as Rachel therefore his age is not a problem.
I think 2049 sidesteps the Deckard / replicant issue well, so it works whichever cut of the original you're familiar with.
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 11, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
Im not sure if this may be a mistake on the part of the writers but in 2049 even the old models dont seem to have a limited life span. Otherwise there wouldnt be any use for Blade Runners any longer.
Take Sapper (think he says hes been a farmer since 2020) and that one-eyed rebellion leader who witnessed the birth Spoiler
of Deckards daughter
Something is said about that issue in the text at the start but i just dont remember. Maybe these are the generations right after the Bettys before Tyrell got bankrupt and they had thei life span no longer limited!?
Ah and i didnt watch all that viral stuff, might be explained there.
edit: Or wait are these already Wallaces replicants? Maybe i shouldve watched these short films... ::)
These are not Wallaces replicants.
Spoiler
Wallaces replicants are of K and Luv's model. They don't have a lifespan limit and are more obedient, but undergo routine upgrated voight-kampff tests to keep their emotions in check and make sure they don't stray from the "base line".
The opening text says that after the events of the original film, Replicants' life limit was canceled, and it's those replicants that are being hunted by Wallaces replicants. In either case, Deckard was already running around enhancing photos before that limitation was taken off.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 08:16:19 PM
Yeah, but not all replicants in the original had a four year lifespan. Rachel was the first of a new generation, with no pre-set end date.
Where does it say that Rachael had no lifespan limit? I thought the whole point was that she did, which is why Deckard is unsure about how long they have together in the theatrical cut.
Wait the opening text says Tyrell Corp. deliberately removed the limited lifespan programming after Tyrell himself was killed by one of his replicants in rampage mode? That doesnt sound very likely, or plausible...
edit: Theres a Nexus-8 (Sapper) model in Wallaces HQ, so...
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 11, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Wait the opening text says Tyrell Corp. deliberately removed the limited lifespan programming after Tyrell himself was killed by one of his replicants in rampage mode? That doesnt sound very likely, or plausible...
edit: Theres a Nexus-8 (Sapper) model in Wallaces HQ, so...
Spoiler
Here's the opening text:
(https://i.imgur.com/05lK0GD.jpg)
Who is right?
Person who spent months in process of making particular movie: writing, pre-production, production, editing and so on ... or us, fans who just watched it? Arguing with any director regarding themes being foundation of the movie is like arguing with any writer about the book he wrote or an artist about painting he made.
Deckard is bloody replicant. Deal with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgq51ldJ2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgq51ldJ2o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7o0rvVxU0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7o0rvVxU0w)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBjSlZOMPI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBjSlZOMPI)
Scott:
Quote(...) and I said to him (Ford): "Dude, if you weren't a replicant the film you are about to do couldn't exist", (...) so, it's essential in the present film that he is a replicant.
In the third act K meets
Spoiler
Freysa (Hiam Abbass) and she told him (cannot remember exact words) that this case is bigger than him, her, Sapper and Deckard. If Deckard wouldn't have been a replicant why would she have mentioned his name? Maybe she knew that he was in fact one of them. Ultimately she was very close to Rachael and probably she knew more than others about him. Pure speculation regarding that scene.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 11, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 11, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Wait the opening text says Tyrell Corp. deliberately removed the limited lifespan programming after Tyrell himself was killed by one of his replicants in rampage mode? That doesnt sound very likely, or plausible...
edit: Theres a Nexus-8 (Sapper) model in Wallaces HQ, so...
Spoiler
Here's the opening text:
(https://i.imgur.com/05lK0GD.jpg)
Ah nice thx. You seem to be right though it doesnt make much sense to me after a first wave of "violent rebellions" to then remove the limited lifespan programming as a counter measure.
Sounds like something the NRA couldve come up with or Trump himself. :D
(https://suesspiciousminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/charlton-heston.jpg)
@Ingwer
I take PKDs, Hampton Fanchers and DWPs opinion over Scotts retrospectively implemented unicorn delusions any day.
The way I understand it, those rebellions happened after the lifespan limit removal, which is why Nexus 8 is the last line of replicants manufactured by Tyrell Corp. I guess the rebellions were on a much larger scale than the events depicted in the original.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 11, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
The way I understand it, those rebellions happened after the lifespan limit removal, which is why Nexus 8 is the last line of replicants manufactured by Tyrell Corp. I guess the rebellions were on a much larger scale than the events depicted in the original.
I can live with that. It doesnt explain everything but lets not nitpick, these are minor matters.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
Who is right?
Person who spent months in process of making particular movie: writing, pre-production, production, editing and so on ... or us, fans who just watched it? Arguing with any director regarding themes being foundation of the movie is like arguing with any writer about the book he wrote or an artist about painting he made.
Deckard is bloody replicant. Deal with it.
Within the confines of the Blade Runner universe, I guess it's kinda fun to speculate. Is he or isn't he? He isn't, by the way.
But seeing how you raise the issue of Scott being the driving force of Blade Runner in the real world of film production, it's worth noting that Deckard only became a replicant a decade after the initial release.
Scott's original made no references to Deckard being a replicant. That idea originated among audiences who spotted a continuity error. But the "missing" replicant referred to by Bryant was never Deckard. It was a different character entirely - a part that Scott had already cast, but which had to be cut due to overruns and budget constraints.
Only when Scott and the studios realised that there was still some money on the table did Deckard become a replicant.
He was written as human, played as human and shot by Scott as human. An editing tweak ten years later doesn't make him a replicant.
Fincal Cut made him replicant without any doubts.
And yeah, it's kinda fun to speculate. For me he is. For Scott he is. For you he isn't. Fair enough.
Great analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q_K2am2qrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q_K2am2qrE)
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
He was written as human, played as human and shot by Scott as human. An editing tweak ten years later doesn't make him a replicant.
That's the whole point of being a replicant and not knowing about it. He had to be
human.
Editing tweak actually makes him replicant because it's so-called the final cut that Scott loves most. It's his final vision of that film. A film he made. He's a creator and he decides whether he is or he isn't. You don't have to agree with it but it is what it is.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
But seeing how you raise the issue of Scott being the driving force of Blade Runner in the real world of film production, it's worth noting that Deckard only became a replicant a decade after the initial release.
Scott's original made no references to Deckard being a replicant. That idea originated among audiences who spotted a continuity error. But the "missing" replicant referred to by Bryant was never Deckard. It was a different character entirely - a part that Scott had already cast, but which had to be cut due to overruns and budget constraints.
Only when Scott and the studios realised that there was still some money on the table did Deckard become a replicant.
He was written as human, played as human and shot by Scott as human. An editing tweak ten years later doesn't make him a replicant.
Absolute nonsense! Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
You make up this drivel Mr Rudiger or do they write it down for you?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 09:42:45 PM
But seeing how you raise the issue of Scott being the driving force of Blade Runner in the real world of film production, it's worth noting that Deckard only became a replicant a decade after the initial release.
Scott's original made no references to Deckard being a replicant. That idea originated among audiences who spotted a continuity error. But the "missing" replicant referred to by Bryant was never Deckard. It was a different character entirely - a part that Scott had already cast, but which had to be cut due to overruns and budget constraints.
Only when Scott and the studios realised that there was still some money on the table did Deckard become a replicant.
He was written as human, played as human and shot by Scott as human. An editing tweak ten years later doesn't make him a replicant.
Absolute nonsense! Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
You make up this drivel Mr Rudiger or do they write it down for you?
What's nonsense?
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 11, 2017, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 11, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
The way I understand it, those rebellions happened after the lifespan limit removal, which is why Nexus 8 is the last line of replicants manufactured by Tyrell Corp. I guess the rebellions were on a much larger scale than the events depicted in the original.
I can live with that. It doesnt explain everything but lets not nitpick, these are minor matters.
I don't think it's ever established whether Nexus-8 replicants have an open-ended lifespan, but if they do it is clearly longer than the four years given to the Nexus-7s. They are effectively outlawed though after the rebellion / Black Out, which is why they're being hunted. The new Nexus-9s have a lifespan set by the customer and must always obey, which is why they are back in circulation.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
I don't think it's ever established whether Nexus-8 replicants have an open-ended lifespan, but if they do it is clearly longer than the four years given to the Nexus-7s. They are effectively outlawed though after the rebellion / Black Out, which is why they're being hunted. The new Nexus-9s have a lifespan set by the customer and must always obey, which is why they are back in circulation.
The Nexus 8's having open-ended lifespan is established in the opening text, but yeah, you're right about the blackout. Completely forgot about it.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 11, 2017, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
I don't think it's ever established whether Nexus-8 replicants have an open-ended lifespan, but if they do it is clearly longer than the four years given to the Nexus-7s. They are effectively outlawed though after the rebellion / Black Out, which is why they're being hunted. The new Nexus-9s have a lifespan set by the customer and must always obey, which is why they are back in circulation.
The Nexus 8's having open-ended lifespan is established in the opening text, but yeah, you're right about the blackout. Completely forgot about it.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that too!
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
What's nonsense?
Deckard was already a replicant before they even shot a single frame of film.
Hampton Fancher was actually the first person to toy with the idea. He gave Deckard a Batty style hand-clench moment near the end in an early draft, just to f*ck with the audience a little. Though his intention was always that Deckard was supposed to be human.
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Also consider that the red light in Deckard's eyes, the tinfoil unicorn and distorted television sets where all deliberate. The unicorn scene was shot during BR's post production. The only reason it wasn't included with the theatrical release was because Tandem would not let Scott put it in.
The Director's and Final Cut were what Blade Runner was originally supposed to be. Not "a ten (???) years later editing tweak"
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Classic Ridley lol.
Also, bought my ticket for tomorrow. ;D
It definitely shows how Scotts artistic mind works.
But it also shows that ultimately the whole deck-a-rep discourse is pointless and futile. Scott loves to shoot from the hip if he thinks a certain idea or association enriches his artistic product. Hes no concept director like Kubrick or Kurosawa who meticulously plan every single shot according to a broader vision.
Blade Runner tells you simultanously that hes a replicant and that it doesnt make sense, cause then the whole idea of a human behaving more like a machine than the machines hes supposed to hunt down is rendered impossible (but still the film tells you thats one of its important aspects; "More human than human?" Who cares when everyone and their dog is a replicant).
HF again: Deeming Deckard a replicant closes the door on the party: "Go home, everybody, it's closed." It's got to be up in the air or there's no dog fight. It's an aesthetic philosophical equation.
Me i just hope ill see the day when shallow twist endings are no longer considered the cream of the crop.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
What's nonsense?
Deckard was already a replicant before they even shot a single frame of film.
Hampton Fancher was actually the first person to toy with the idea. He gave Deckard a Batty style hand-clench moment near the end in an early draft, just to f*ck with the audience a little. Though his intention was always that Deckard was supposed to be human.
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Also consider that the red light in Deckard's eyes, the tinfoil unicorn and distorted television sets where all deliberate. The unicorn scene was shot during BR's post production. The only reason it wasn't included with the theatrical release was because Tandem would not let Scott put it in.
The Director's and Final Cut were what Blade Runner was originally supposed to be. Not "a ten (???) years later editing tweak"
With respect, I think you're overstating things a little. If the issue was so cut and dried before a frame was shot, why all the confusion ever since? I'm not talking about fans here, but cast and crew? Even the BR 2049 team aren't sure. And Scott himself Recently said that BR 2049 would answer the question once and for all. So now it sounds like even he doesn't bloody know! Still, he is getting on a bit :D
Yo I've heard this movie is bombing at the box office. What's up with that? I'll be seeing it soon. I was pretty confident it was going to be good but I'm starting to get a bit worried.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
Anybody know what the best BR forum is? I need to delve deep..
Dude! What are we... chopped liver?
Post away!
Chill out Bro. I meant no disrespect. You're not chopped liver, you're part of an AVP forum, where everything AVP is dissected over hundreds of threads, and BR only gets 1 or 2. Just curious if great minds such as those on here are also gathering elsewhere to discuss exclusively BR stuff is all...
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 12, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
Yo I've heard this movie is bombing at the box office. What's up with that? I'll be seeing it soon. I was pretty confident it was going to be good but I'm starting to get a bit worried.
Good. That's the perfect way to go see a film... with lowered expectations.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 12, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
Yo I've heard this movie is bombing at the box office. What's up with that? I'll be seeing it soon. I was pretty confident it was going to be good but I'm starting to get a bit worried.
It's a 3 hour sequel to a box office bomb. It bombing was an easy guess long before the film's release. You should go see it though. If there was ever a film to see in the movie theater, it's films like Blade Runner 2049.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 12, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
Yo I've heard this movie is bombing at the box office. What's up with that?
...
Apparently a lot of women don't find it very appealing. Anyone go see it with wives or girlfriends? What did they think?
I seem to recall similar complaints when BR (1982) first came out (you know, before cult status raised its respectibility). The only female characters were men's stereotyped sex fantasies. Rachel the femme fatale; Pris your basic pleasure model; and Zhora the stripper assassin. (Oh yeah, and Cambodian Woman, "Not fish! Snake scale!" LOL).
The same criticism seems to be levelled at BR 2049.
I can see where they're coming from, but I thought about it and I think it's maybe a bit unfair.
Luv, while kind of fulfilling the femme fatale vibe, has
a lot more agency than Rachel ever did.
And Lieutenant Joshi is a cool hard-ass too. In fact, she's so great I wish she had more scenes. At first you think she's just another cliche hard-bitten police chief but she seems to wear a genuine burden of responsibility. Being caretaker of civilisation's social order is a duty far above her station but I think she accepts it as a genuine moral obligation. Someone said she makes a pass at K when she visits him in his apartment but I don't remember it that way. What do other people recall?
Another thought:
What if K had been written as a female character? With a few changes here and there, would the story have worked for you?
TC
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 12, 2017, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
Anybody know what the best BR forum is? I need to delve deep..
Dude! What are we... chopped liver?
Post away!
Chill out Bro. I meant no disrespect. You're not chopped liver, you're part of an AVP forum, where everything AVP is dissected over hundreds of threads, and BR only gets 1 or 2. Just curious if great minds such as those on here are also gathering elsewhere to discuss exclusively BR stuff is all...
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 12, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
Yo I've heard this movie is bombing at the box office. What's up with that? I'll be seeing it soon. I was pretty confident it was going to be good but I'm starting to get a bit worried.
Good. That's the perfect way to go see a film... with lowered expectations.
No disrespect taken. I was kidding. I thought paraphrasing The Last Boy Scout might get that across. ;D
Quote from: TC on Oct 12, 2017, 02:22:26 AM
Apparently a lot of women don't find it very appealing. Anyone go see it with wives or girlfriends? What did they think?
My girlfriend enjoyed it but she hated naked scenes. And to be honest one of them is unnecessary.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Deckard was already a replicant before they even shot a single frame of film.
Hampton Fancher was actually the first person to toy with the idea. He gave Deckard a Batty style hand-clench moment near the end in an early draft, just to f*ck with the audience a little. Though his intention was always that Deckard was supposed to be human.
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Completely forgot about that. Have to read
Future Noir again.
I guess it's no different to any other movie, in that it won't be everyone's cup of tea.
The runtime might be a factor, and it's certainly framed within a pretty depressing view of the future.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 12, 2017, 06:08:37 AM
My girlfriend enjoyed it but she hated naked scenes. And to be honest one of them is unnecessary.
Hmmm...
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...Was it the 3-way VR sex scene? I found that weird too. Weird and maybe just a tad creepy?
I'm not sure what Villeneuve was going for there, was it supposed to be sexy? It made me think of that scene in the last episode of The Sarah Connor Chronicles where John Connor finally gets to have sex with his terminator girlfriend. (Summer Glau lies down on the bed with him on top, he reaches into her abdomen with his fingers and pulls out a lump of shrapnel. ***FREAKY!!!*** )
But in answer to my own question: K as a female.
I think that would have worked. Although probably he was always intended to be reminiscent of Deckard from the original. If K was female (I'm calling her "Kay"), would that mean Joi would have to be rewritten as male? Probably not. Perhaps Joi is inclined to fall in love with her user, no matter what the user's gender. She is only software after all, and therefore her sexual orientation would be completely arbitrary.
Actually, the character I would have really preferred as a woman is Niander Wallace. In fact, not only would he be a she, but she would be none other than Eldon Tyrell's niece. (After his death she simply inherited the family business.) I don't understand what the purpose of writing out Tyrell Corp. was anyway. How did that advantage the BR 2049 story? Tyrell Corp. could just as easily have invented the food factories as Wallace did.
TC
I'm so used to porn I didn't even notice the nudity scenes.
Quote from: TC on Oct 12, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 12, 2017, 06:08:37 AM
My girlfriend enjoyed it but she hated naked scenes. And to be honest one of them is unnecessary.
Hmmm...
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...Was it the 3-way VR sex scene? I found that weird too. Weird and maybe just a tad creepy?
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No. There is no nudity in that scene. I meant that hologram scene in the third act. I find that pointless.
I'm kinda wondering where all the Asian people went.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 12, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
I'm kinda wondering where all the Asian people went.
Off-World ;D
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 12, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 12, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
I'm kinda wondering where all the Asian people went.
Off-World ;D
Today's special: Asians half price! :D
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 12, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
I'm kinda wondering where all the Asian people went.
It's probably because the film was shot in Hungary which doesn't have many Asian citizens to serve as extras. LA was much more cosmopolitan so they had plenty of Asian extras for the original film. Would have cost too much to fly-in Asian extra's and the production company would have lost out on the government incentive bonuses if they bought in scores of unskilled foreigners.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
What's nonsense?
Deckard was already a replicant before they even shot a single frame of film.
Hampton Fancher was actually the first person to toy with the idea. He gave Deckard a Batty style hand-clench moment near the end in an early draft, just to f*ck with the audience a little. Though his intention was always that Deckard was supposed to be human.
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Also consider that the red light in Deckard's eyes, the tinfoil unicorn and distorted television sets where all deliberate. The unicorn scene was shot during BR's post production. The only reason it wasn't included with the theatrical release was because Tandem would not let Scott put it in.
The Director's and Final Cut were what Blade Runner was originally supposed to be. Not "a ten (???) years later editing tweak"
With respect, I think you're overstating things a little. If the issue was so cut and dried before a frame was shot, why all the confusion ever since? I'm not talking about fans here, but cast and crew? Even the BR 2049 team aren't sure. And Scott himself Recently said that BR 2049 would answer the question once and for all. So now it sounds like even he doesn't bloody know! Still, he is getting on a bit :D
How exactly am I "overstating" things. I'm just giving you the real facts.
And it
was cut and dried. It was a Ridley Scott film which means that he was the Guv'nor. Not everyone was happy with it though. Fancher wanted it to be completely ambiguous, Michael Deeley (the producer) didn't like it at all but he still supported Scott. Harrison Ford f*cking hated the idea and was openly opposed to Scott. Tandem (the completion bond guarantors) just plain didn't get it and so refused Scott his unicorn scene simply because they didn't have a clue what it meant. That's the only reason why the ambiguity existed in the original theatrical release.
When the BR Workprint surfaced in 1989 it was screened at one or two select venues. The positive public response was such that the studio decided to make duplicate prints and give it a limited national theatrical re-release. The idea was that the workprint would have been cleaned-up, restored and released as the Blade Runner Director's Cut. Ridley Scott however threatened to publicly disown the so-called Director's Cut if the unicorn scene wasn't included. This created a lot of problems because no-one knew where to find to Unicorn scene anymore since it was filmed in the UK and thus not stored with all the other outtakes. The person responsible for assembling the Director's Cut searched for months to no avail. The whole thing was almost cancelled when at last he found an alternate take of the Unicorn scene at the eleventh hour.
So it wasn't merely a "money grab" for Scott. He stood by his original vision for the film, even if it would have meant that the Director's Cut would have to be cancelled.
It isn't the unicorn from Legend. is it?
"No, the unicorn scene was actually filmed prior to any thought of making Legend. In fact, it was specifically shot for Blade Runner during the post-production process." - Ridley Scott
And speaking of flying-in unskilled foreign extra's earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQUObfBXYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQUObfBXYk)
Thanks 8th.
QuoteBlade Runner 2049 was almost called Blade Runner: Androids Dream, Alcon representative Andrew Kosove has confirmed.
"The movie was always Blade Runner," he said. "So we were only talking about an addendum to the title. It wasn't like we were really starting from scratch. It was Blade Runner. There were a handful of other titles batted around. A lot of people had different opinions."
Fans of Philip K. Dick will recognize the phrase Androids Dream. The Dick story Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? became the basis for Blade Runner.
"I think [Alcon partner] Broderick [Johnson] and I ultimately felt that simpler was better," Kosove continued. "The fact that the original movie and the original first frame of the film is Los Angeles 2019, and since our story takes place 30 years hence, we thought it was very simple and clean just to call it Blade Runner 2049 as opposed to a lot of these other titles being kicked around.
"By the way, I actually really like that title but with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very happy we ended up with the title we did because I think it's a little leading."
Screenwriter Michael Green revealed there were other working titles even before Blade Runner: Androids Dream. He came on after original writer Hampton Fancher wrote a draft.
"When Hampton wrote his treatment and draft, he titled it Acid Zoo, which is a terrific title," Green said. "For a while that was their working title. He doesn't know this, when I started working on it, the working title was 'Queensboro' because I always considered myself a New Yorker.
"I lived in Manhattan and I was on my way there. I know Hampton lives in Brooklyn and I was on my way, had my laptop on my lap in a cab and I'm like 'all right, it's the bridge between the two'. So for a long time, the working title was Queensboro."
Green's working title evolved too.
"Then at some point I got a note from the line producer, just an e-mail he was sending back and forth," Green said. "His signature at the bottom of the screen had changed to 'Triborough'. I said, 'What's going on there?'
"He's like, 'Well, people found out that Blade Runner was Queensboro so we picked a different bridge to jump off of.' That is the evolution. Actual titles, different ones were kicked around. I shouldn't say which ones they were."
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/exclusive-blade-runner-2049-was-almost-called-this/
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 12, 2017, 05:37:24 PM
"No, the unicorn scene was actually filmed prior to any thought of making Legend. In fact, it was specifically shot for Blade Runner during the post-production process." - Ridley Scott
And speaking of flying-in unskilled foreign extra's earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQUObfBXYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQUObfBXYk)
Wow, I didn't notice him in the short. I gotta say I do enjoy the fanboy love Savage has for the films.
Just got back from finally seeing this, and loved, loved, loved it. I only have a few problems that are minor in the grand scheme of things.
Spoiler
I miss Gaff's snazzy threads.
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I think Joi's death fell just ever so slightly flat. It still worked, though.
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I'm not exactly sure about the replicant revolution thread that was brought up for five minutes. It felt a bit like sequel bait in film that otherwise lacked it. And that kind of story wouldn't really suit Blade Runner, IMO.
Anyone else spot the Sulaco???
I spotted the garbage dumpers from Soldier. :laugh:
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 12, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Anyone else spot the Sulaco???
I didn't, but someone over on AVForums mentioned it.
Then again, the Millennium Falcon, Dark Star and the mother ship from CE3K appeared in the original, so it's not a surprise.
The building just below and behind the Spinner's port side. Millennium Falcon is the building on the far left. Both spaceships are standing on their tails.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9375927/blade_runner.jpg)
Well, waddayaknow! I knew about the Falcon and the Mothership, but the Dark Star is news to me. :D
And now I've been reminded that I need to see Dark Star...
Dark Star is pretty good. My favourite scene is when the astronaut talks to the bomb.
QuoteIt's been a good couple years for Blumhouse Productions with films such as Get Out and Split delivering impressive returns on minuscule budgets. This weekend their latest, Happy Death Day, hopes to follow suit as it targets a #1 finish, pushing WB's Blade Runner 2049 into runner-up position after just one week in theaters. Additional new releases include STX's The Foreigner, Annapurna's Professor Marston & the Wonder Women and Open Road's Marshall as there's a little something for everyone in theaters, though it doesn't appear that little something will deliver big numbers at the box office collectively.
Happy Death Day (3,149 theaters) - $18.0 M
Blade Runner 2049 (4,058 theaters) - $16.5 M
The Foreigner (2,515 theaters) - $10.5 M
It (3,176 theaters) - $6.9 M
The Mountain Between Us (3,259 theaters) - $5.9 M
Kingsman: The Golden Circle (2,982 theaters) - $5.0 M
My Little Pony: The Movie (2,528 theaters) - $4.8 M
American Made (3,090 theaters) - $4.8 M
The LEGO Ninjago Movie (3,053 theaters) - $4.1 M
Professor Marston & the Wonder Women (1,229 theaters) - $3.0 M
Marshall (821 theaters) - $3.0 M
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4334&p=.htm
Such a shame.
You know, I only just now read the very first post on this thread from 2011:
Quote from: Shasvre on Mar 03, 2011, 01:15:19 AM
...
Johnson and Kosove stated: "...We have long-term goals for the franchise, and are exploring multi-platform concepts, not just limiting ourselves to one medium only."
I guess we can say goodbye to all those sequels, games, novelizations, TV shows...
TC
You never now. It should reach at least 100+ millions in US. I predict 120 (Arrival grossed 100 with 24 at the opening weekend). Then maybe 200-250 in the foreign markets. My prediction for worldwide will be then 320-370. Asian market is one big unknown but I just have a feeling that it's gonna be a massive hit in Japan, South Korea and China. And then who knows, maybe it will pass 400 worldwide?
Look at Gladiator in US. It opened with only 34 millions (2049 with 32) and ultimately grossed 187! New BR might turn up to be a black horse. Mark my words :)
So who wants a sequel???
Spoiler
Fancher says that he has a pre-existing idea for what happens to Deckard, which could have formed the basis of an earlier sequel. Apparently, it's "kind of horrifying".
Spoiler
Is K really dead? He supposedly dies on the steps as the snow falls all around... just as Ana is creating a snowfall inside. Is that just coincidence (snowfall features in earlier scenes)? Or does it signify some kind of "connection" between the two of them? I must admit, I didn't really notice what she was creating first time around. And I thought K catching the falling snow was a call back to the earlier scene where he does the same, as he starts to re-evaluate every little experience from a supposedly new perspective.
Spoiler
I interpreted the rain/snow on the skin ("skinner") as a symbol for becoming/feeling alive: Joi "catching" the rain on the rooftop after shes leaving Ks apartment for the first time, K catching the snow after he just was told that the toy horse memory is in fact a real human memory (and supposedly his).
Its a very important motive for the ending cause its shows that K might feel alive again there bleeding out on the steps, but now for the "right" reasons: by his decision to risk his life for Deckard and his daughter he became as close to a human being as he could get. The memory wasnt his but these last actions definitely are.
He might not be biological born, but hes now spiritually born: hes de facto become special in the end.
I love this film. Seeing it on monday for the third time!
edit: If this in fact, due to its BO performance, the last film of this kind for a long time, its a worthy one.
I'm curious what viewers think about this issue:
Spoiler
Is Joi "real"? That is, does she actually have her own agency and truly love K, and is there some kind of actual loss with the destruction of the gadget thingy? Or is she completely artificial, only programmed to love K (or think she loves K), and when he encounters the large hologram he discovers he's been duping himself the entire time into loving something he knows isn't real?
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 13, 2017, 01:56:11 PM
I love this film. Seeing it on monday for the third time!
Me too. Best film I've seen in years. Might go 3D Imax this time, just for the hell of it.
Quote from: Olde on Oct 13, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
I'm curious what viewers think about this issue:
Spoiler
Is Joi "real"? That is, does she actually have her own agency and truly love K, and is there some kind of actual loss with the destruction of the gadget thingy? Or is she completely artificial, only programmed to love K (or think she loves K), and when he encounters the large hologram he discovers he's been duping himself the entire time into loving something he knows isn't real?
I've seen all takes on this.
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I'm on the "she's a sentient AI" camp. She has little free will due to her programming, though. (Kind of like LUV, tbh.)
The last scene with the giant hologram is complicated to "get" due to the fact that:
a) If JOI was sentient, then she was a slave to K. Is he finally dealing with the fact that she was a slave? Was K expressing anger at the fact that his "Joi" is Dead? Anger at the fact that more like her can be easily bought?
b) If she wasnt sentient, then was he dealing with the fact that his love was a delusion this whole time?
Both are fascinating things to consider. And i like how the film doesnt side easily with either take.
Paranoia is a big element of the blade runner universe, after all.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 13, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
So who wants a sequel???
Spoiler
Fancher says that he has a pre-existing idea for what happens to Deckard, which could have formed the basis of an earlier sequel. Apparently, it's "kind of horrifying".
Spoiler
Is K really dead? He supposedly dies on the steps as the snow falls all around... just as Ana is creating a snowfall inside. Is that just coincidence (snowfall features in earlier scenes)? Or does it signify some kind of "connection" between the two of them? I must admit, I didn't really notice what she was creating first time around. And I thought K catching the falling snow was a call back to the earlier scene where he does the same, as he starts to re-evaluate every little experience from a supposedly new perspective.
I really hope there won't be a sequel. Been burned too many times (Alien, Terminator), and I have a terrible feeling that if Blade Runner turns into a franchise, someone will f**k it up. Nobody even wanted a sequel to the original. We should count our blessings that it turned out to be a great film, and move on.
Yeah. It was a miracle they made it and another miracle that it turned out to be a good movie. Maybe they should leave it as it is.
I could see a spin off at most but they should Harrison Ford alone as he is too old for this shit.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 13, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
Yeah. It was a miracle they made it and another miracle that it turned out to be a good movie. Maybe they should leave it as it is.
That's my take, as well. The movie's great, just leave it be (I'd take another video game, though...)
I'm perfectly fine with waiting until 2052 for another sequel.
Quote from: AgentRed on Oct 13, 2017, 04:03:46 PM
I could see a spin off at most but they should Harrison Ford alone as he is too old for this shit.
Harrison Ford needs to retire. He seems bored in all of his recent movies.
He needs money :)
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 13, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: AgentRed on Oct 13, 2017, 04:03:46 PM
I could see a spin off at most but they should Harrison Ford alone as he is too old for this shit.
Harrison Ford needs to retire. He seems bored in all of his recent movies.
Can't remember the last time has was this good.
In reply to Olde and Skhellter...
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I reckon she's pure A.I. and not sentient at all... but really it's all about what K believes or maybe needs. She's his companion, the only friend he has, and the only one who really treats him with anything approaching empathy or warmth. So to K, maybe she's the love of his life. But then comes the triple whammy... the loss of Joi, the realisation that he himself is just another replicant, and then when he meets the giant Joi, having to accept that everything he had with her was pre-programmed... her giving him his name and that she was always going to give him "everything you want to feel, everything you want to hear". Poor bloody K!
Rian Johnson (upcoming The Last Jedi) and Denis Villeneuve talk 2049. Rian seems to be a great guy. Spoilers!
https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-96-blade-runner-2049-with-denis-villeneuve-and-rian-johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79Y1NJaLRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79Y1NJaLRY)
There is one mistake in that video. It's not Engineer. It's Sapper-type replicant. Unless I'm wrong.
Nice one.
https://twitter.com/thisisbenoliver/status/918539921228484608 (https://twitter.com/thisisbenoliver/status/918539921228484608)
It certainly looked like a leftover Covenant Engineer.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiewire.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fscreen-shot-2017-05-08-at-12-39-20-pm.png%3Fw%3D1434&hash=ed2f38614808359c913286d6e734e0108a2a4386)
First on the right ...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W5XE4gwkYCU/maxresdefault.jpg)
I think that's the same mannequin.
I like that alternate poster better than the official one!
re: Harrison Ford
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I was surprised Deckard was the one to live and K the one that died. I thought it would have been the other way around, just like Ford insisted on Han Solo being killed off. I always believed Ford to have felt a duty to the fans and that's why he kept coming back, but he never really liked those roles much. Was I wrong, or did Scott, the writers, Villeneuve and the Producers insist that Deckard live? If he wanted the work... no choice Pal!
TC
About K and the ending...
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When K leaned back with the wound in his guy... I half expected him to get up and fly off in the spinner with A Real Hero playing, just like Drive. :laugh:
Saw BR2049 last night.
NOW THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE A SEQUEL TO A CLASSIC SCI-FI FILM!!
Jaw dropping masterpiece. Best film I've seen in decades. Not enough superlatives out there for me.
Is there a better director on the planet than Denis Villenueve?
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 12, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Anyone else spot the Sulaco???
YES!
Quote from: Olde on Oct 13, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
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Is Joi "real"? That is, does she actually have her own agency and truly love K, and is there some kind of actual loss with the destruction of the gadget thingy? Or is she completely artificial, only programmed to love K (or think she loves K), and when he encounters the large hologram he discovers he's been duping himself the entire time into loving something he knows isn't real?
I love this movie but this, I believe, is its greatest failing. If we turn all your questions into statements, then I think your analysis is correct - that's exactly what the movie is telling us.
It seems to me, if the grand theme of the story is that we can all aspire to greater levels of humanity, whether we be human or replicant, then the same should also be true for an AI like Joi. That large hologram scene contradicts this.
Here's how I would have written Joi's arc: (I can't help doing this, when I'm not rewriting my own work, I'm thinking about how I'd rewrite the work of others :laugh: )
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The scene in which Joi dies doesn't occur. Neither is there that giant hologram scene, nor the fight scene in the surf outside the high tide wall.
Instead, K attempts to free Deckard by breaking into the Wallace building. He does this with Joi's assistance: when she connects to the Wallace servers to download her regularly scheduled software update, she's able to infiltrate a backdoor and disable the security system.
Inside the Wallace building, K sees the opportunity to download Joi's mind into a newborn replicant, giving her what she's always wanted - a physical body. But as we all know, it takes close to four years for a newborn replicant to develop emotions.
This is Joi's climactic dilemma: does she choose the physical body and lose her love for K, or does she stay as she is, a virtual being?
(And then, of course, K frees Deckard and whisks him away to Memory Girl.)
TC
Quote from: Olde on Oct 13, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
I'm curious what viewers think about this issue:
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Is Joi "real"? That is, does she actually have her own agency and truly love K, and is there some kind of actual loss with the destruction of the gadget thingy? Or is she completely artificial, only programmed to love K (or think she loves K), and when he encounters the large hologram he discovers he's been duping himself the entire time into loving something he knows isn't real?
Your spoilers touch on my view that in terms of the main character's love, "BR 2049" goes off in a different direction compared with the original "Blade Runner".
* I'll use the film "Her" as an example since it doesn't directly involve "2049" spoilers but it deals with one of my "2049" problems.
- "Her" is mainly about mechanical computer A.I.
The main character in "Her" falls in love with a mobile A.I. character.
* Is the love of the "Her" A.I. character, Samantha, towards main character, Theodore, real?
- A networked advanced intelligence can simultaneously have different multiple (not recorded) interactions with several users in many distant places.
That is explored in "Her".
Imo networked A.I. "love" is not = to what is understood as human love.
* A central premise of the original "Blade Runner" is that replicants are a kind of human. This then leads to, what does it mean to be human?
- Underlying this is that replicants as biological beings cannot be told apart from regularly born humans by a simple blood test or similar basic medical test. So, police in the field had to use an empathy test.
* With 1982 "BR" I had an emotional connection to the replicants as human because they were biologically humans.
- The networked A.I. character in "Her" would not physically be mistaken for a biological human. I felt little emotional connection to a character which is an advanced digital companion which can be everywhere at once, and can be involved with multiple users at once.
- "BR 2049", getting side tracked with a "Her" type of story, did not extend the emotional connection of what it means to be human imo.
As Roy says in 1982 "Blade Runner".
QuoteWe're not computers, Sebastian, we're physical.
;)
@bb-15
You make a point worthy of some thought.
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When you say BR 2049 goes off in a different direction than the original, I wasn't expecting that either. I remember thinking in the theatre that this VR character is taking up an awful lot of screen time for a bit of techno-candy. (I was thinking that VR Joi was nothing more than an entertaining but ultimately superfluous prop idea like the Esper in BR 1982). Then to my surprise I realised, she was the plot! (or a substantial part of the theme, anyway).
But upon reflection I decided this was a plus, not a minus. There's no reason why a sequel can't expand upon the themes of the original. In fact, you could even say it's an obligation.
(Correct me if I'm wrong...) You are saying that a computer program can not qualify as a valid human (in ethos or intellect) because of its multiplicity, the way a natural-born human or replicant can. The giant hologram motorway scene makes a statement (on behalf of the writers) that agrees with you. K is also in agreement, judging by his reaction. (And so is Roy Batty :D )
But to me this does not square with the greater theme: K, even though an artificial human, is still worthy of human status. As an audience, through the power of storytelling, we are made to feel the truth in this.
If that's true, then only prejudice would make us believe that an even more artificial human is not worthy, when in the course of events it proves its humanity through self-sacrifice.
That's the contradiction that irks me. (Even so, it's still a good movie!)
TC
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 14, 2017, 04:22:48 AM
About K and the ending...
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When K leaned back with the wound in his guy... I half expected him to get up and fly off in the spinner with A Real Hero playing, just like Drive. :laugh:
...and a real human
bean.
Quote from: TC on Oct 14, 2017, 05:04:51 AM
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The scene in which Joi dies doesn't occur. Neither is there that giant hologram scene, nor the fight scene in the surf outside the high tide wall.
Instead, K attempts to free Deckard by busting into the Wallace building. He does this with Joi's assistance: when she connects to the Wallace servers to download her regularly scheduled software update, she's able to infiltrate a backdoor and disable the security system.
Inside the Wallace building, K sees the opportunity to download Joi's mind into a newborn replicant, giving her what she's always wanted - a physical body. But as we all know, it takes close to four years for a newborn replicant to develop emotions.
This is Joi's climactic dilemma: does she choose the physical body and lose her love for K, or does she stay as she is, a virtual being?
(And then, of course, K frees Deckard and whisks him away to Memory Girl.)
I think that's an interesting re-write. The main point, I think though, is that there isn't enough screentime to fully develop the relationship fruitfully, which I think is one of the movie's biggest problems. I would have greatly preferred another hour tacked on to this film, as it actually felt it ended too early (although its already above-average length is much appreciated, I didn't feel it's long enough to give a satisfactory conclusion to a lot of the conflicts it brings up). Here are my thoughts about it.
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Personally I didn't like Joi's death because it didn't pay off later for me; I thought she was one of the better characters and actually exerted some kind of will (e.g., in hiring the prostitute), which seemed to give her more agency than simply following a set protocol. She also didn't betray K by reporting his "physically born" nature to any kind of authority, which during the movie I thought might come up. I think the best way to both have her death but have their relationship come back and pay off later would be if K repaired the gadget or salvage her memory chip later. That way they could have the potential for imo what could be a much more interesting scene later, which would be for her and K to both encounter her larger hologram counterpart. That way both she and K could ponder the nature of her sentience and will. They'd of course need to avoid making it hammy and having her say "I know that I'm supposed to love you, but K, I actually really do, I'm not just saying it meaninglessly!" But I think that could actually make Joi ponder her own existence and free will, something that I think the film could handle intelligently, as one of the main themes in the Blade Runner series is the nature between technology and free will.
The film devotes so much time to Joi and K that she invariably becomes an important part of the movie, which already has so few characters, fewer still who remain alive at the end. Her death, as handled, doesn't quite pay off at the end for me. If she needed to be killed to give K that extra push at the end, she could have been killed off if there was a better scene of K overcoming her loss and maybe moving on. I'm kind of on the fence about it.
Hampton Fancher was totally on board the (Joi counts as a sentient being) train.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMEUCiGUMAQH6Q4.jpg:large)
I think i'm gonna side with the creator of the story on this one.
Quote from: Olde on Oct 14, 2017, 10:06:21 AM
The main point, I think though, is that there isn't enough screentime to fully develop the relationship fruitfully, which I think is one of the movie's biggest problems. I would have greatly preferred another hour tacked on to this film, as it actually felt it ended too early (although its already above-average length is much appreciated, I didn't feel it's long enough to give a satisfactory conclusion to a lot of the conflicts it brings up).
Yeah. Me too.
Sometimes the only realistic solution (as painful as it is), is to cut entire subplots away rather than try to keep them by whittling them down to the point of confusion (in order to meet a running time).
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Personally I didn't like Joi's death because it didn't pay off later for me; I thought she was one of the better characters and actually exerted some kind of will (e.g., in hiring the prostitute), which seemed to give her more agency than simply following a set protocol. She also didn't betray K by reporting his "physically born" nature to any kind of authority, which during the movie I thought might come up.
I kept wondering if at any point she was going to betray him (because of her programming). Especially when Luv, in the middle of battling K, points to the Emanator and says something like, "Oh, I see you are a customer!". But then, I would have expected Joi to prove her free will by defying her program.
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which would be for her and K to both encounter her larger hologram counterpart. That way both she and K could ponder the nature of her sentience and will. They'd of course need to avoid making it hammy and having her say "I know that I'm supposed to love you, but K, I actually really do, I'm not just saying it meaninglessly!"
That would have been cool.
Except that she would have had to demonstrate her love, not just talk about it. Writers have a saying, "Deeds, not words!" AKA, "Show, don't tell" and "actions speak louder than words"
A heroic act of self-sacrifice does that, but as you point out...
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...Her death, as handled, doesn't quite pay off at the end for me...
It needed to be greatly magnified to emphasize its importance.
It's also achieved in my example rewrite from above; Joi would prove her love by choosing not to become physical as a replicant. (And in turn, K could prove his love by disregarding her choice and downloading her into the replicant anyway, knowing that for the next 4 years he'd be living with a woman incapable of loving him back.)
TC
Joi emerges as the star of the film. Her role is played off as so insignificant, that it resonates with her utter insignificance as a character. The viewer sees her as disposable, and she is also played as disposable within the film. But it is mostly about her that the the fresh new questions arise. She is the subject of the day, and a reflection of where we have already arrived in society. Joi is Siri. An enhanced version to be sure, but the idea is the same. We are looking at a non-corporeal awareness. We all treat Siri just as disposably as Joi, yet Joi showed a great deal of humanity. Perhaps more so than any of the other characters in the film.
She comes across as a throw-away, but that's the whole point. We are forced to ask the question about what it means to be human all over again. Are we our corporeal selves, or are we our "software" or soul selves, and are both necessary to constitute a human being? Joi, was more of an ideal human than any other character in the film. The film implies that being naturally "born" is effectively to be oppressive over those who have an awareness but no body. Deckard's daughter seems like the main miracle, but Joi is the true miracle. Joy was the miracle that K did not see, although she was with him the whole time.
Quote from: TC on Oct 14, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
@bb-15
You make a point worthy of some thought.
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When you say BR 2049 goes off in a different direction than the original, I wasn't expecting that either. I remember thinking in the theatre that this VR character is taking up an awful lot of screen time for a bit of techno-candy. (I was thinking that VR Joi was nothing more than an entertaining but ultimately superfluous prop idea like the Esper in BR 1982). Then to my surprise I realised, she was the plot! (or a substantial part of the theme, anyway).
But upon reflection I decided this was a plus, not a minus. There's no reason why a sequel can't expand upon the themes of the original. In fact, you could even say it's an obligation.
(Correct me if I'm wrong...) You are saying that a computer program can not qualify as a valid human (in ethos or intellect) because of its multiplicity, the way a natural-born human or replicant can. The giant hologram motorway scene makes a statement (on behalf of the writers) that agrees with you. K is also in agreement, judging by his reaction. (And so is Roy Batty :D )
But to me this does not square with the greater theme: K, even though an artificial human, is still worthy of human status. As an audience, through the power of storytelling, we are made to feel the truth in this.
If that's true, then only prejudice would make us believe that an even more artificial human is not worthy, when in the course of events it proves its humanity through self-sacrifice.
That's the contradiction that irks me. (Even so, it's still a good movie!)
TC
Thanks for the reply.
* First of all, I recommend that everyone here see "BR 2049". The stunning visuals alone make it worth watching.
* Back to our discussion; Imo the book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and 1982 "Blade Runner" have the theme of what it means to be human and where the supposed non humans are trying to fit in society and pass for human.
- The novel and 1982 original "Blade Runner" present the idea of quickly grown human clones, with some transplants (brain/eyes installed in a factory), being considered as non human because;
1. A company has patented the replicant/android idea and makes money.
2. In the 1982 "Blade Runner" the company (which dominates the government) has brainwashed the naturally born human citizens into thinking that the replicants/androids are disposable slaves.
* The novel / 1982 film expose the capitalism / slavery connection.
The 1982 movie focuses on how regular people can be trained to be bigots and ignore the humanity of the person (slave) who is directly in front of them.
- The original "Blade Runner" becomes a story of a fight for freedom / liberation. That becomes its core by the end.
* The movie "Her" explores in detail how a powerful, networked computer A.I. can be sentient / self aware / conscious.
But such a powerful, networked A.I. is not trying to be just a human.
- "Her" shows a computer A.I. acting like a human for the convenience/impression of the user.
- But the "Her" A.I. is an advanced networked computer digital assistant which may say it loves a user but it also may love thousands of other users at the same time.
- At its fullest potential a digital assistant "love" for one user is a computer file among billions of computer files for billions of other users networked around the world.
* That is a far stretch from factory born humans/replicants being treated like slaves and fighting for their freedom which is at the core of 1982 "Blade Runner".
* Now, to your spoilers;
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I remember thinking in the theatre that this VR character is taking up an awful lot of screen time for a bit of techno-candy. (I was thinking that VR Joi was nothing more than an entertaining but ultimately superfluous prop idea like the Esper in BR 1982). Then to my surprise I realised, she was the plot! (or a substantial part of the theme, anyway).
My spoiler response;
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I keep in mind that the VR / 3D hologram programming is just eye candy. The visual is being controlled by Joi's networked computer A.I.. At her core Joi is an advanced networked computer A.I. which is programmed to be a digital assistant.
Your spoiler;
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But upon reflection I decided this was a plus, not a minus. There's no reason why a sequel can't expand upon the themes of the original. In fact, you could even say it's an obligation.
My response;
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Whatever is a plus or minus is based on your personal taste and my personal taste.
There is no wrong or right about this since we all have the privilege like and dislike whatever we want.
Imo Joi is not an expansion of the slavery/freedom theme of 1982 "Blade Runner" but a tangent away from the humanity theme of the original.
But I'm willing to agree to disagree about that.
Your spoiler;
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You are saying that a computer program can not qualify as a valid human (in ethos or intellect) because of its multiplicity, the way a natural-born human or replicant can. The giant hologram motorway scene makes a statement (on behalf of the writers) that agrees with you. K is also in agreement, judging by his reaction...
But to me this does not square with the greater theme: K, even though an artificial human, is still worthy of human status. As an audience, through the power of storytelling, we are made to feel the truth in this.
If that's true, then only prejudice would make us believe that an even more artificial human is not worthy, when in the course of events it proves its humanity through self-sacrifice.
My response;
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My view has nothing to do with what is "worthy" or "valid human" for an A.I..
The advanced networked A.I. can be seen as superior to a mere human.
There are science fiction stories which explore how super advanced networked A.I. can go far beyond the limits of a human. I've mentioned "Her" which does direct A.I. / human comparisons and shows in many ways that the A.I. is more powerful.
But for the ultimate extension of what A.I. can be there are the energy beings/monoliths in "2001: A Space Odyssey".
"BR 2049" does not explore much of the A.I. potential with Joi.
Joi is an advanced networked digital assistant A.I. that is programmed to be a companion.
- K loves Joi. But I thought that love paled in comparison to the love that Deckard had for Rachel in 1982 "Blade Runner".
Someday in our world people will fall in love with their smartphones.
Fine, that's up to them.
Imo this is the kind of thing which happened to K and his love for Joi.
* But the Joi/K "love" does not have the powerful themes of the 1982 "Blade Runner" Deckard/Rachel love;
1. Joi is not a slave. She's a computer app willingly following her programming.
2. Joi is not trying to pass as human in the human world to get greater "freedom". She again, follows her programming.
3. When the Joi / K personal file is destroyed, the computer network Joi can still interact with K being visualized as a giant hologram.
For me Joi/K sidetracks the themes of the 1982 film.
Joi is not about slavery or wanting the freedom of a human and blending in.
Anyway, again, I'm most willing to agree to disagree.
;)
You sound prejudiced on the subject of AIs, in that they do not equate to the worth of humans. I think that should probably remain the case. It's for the best. I think we should stop working towards real AI. Invariably it will conflict with us.
Surprised at any negativity around the Joi character and the Joi / K relationship. The film wouldn't be anywhere near as good without her and, indeed, their love story. 2049 expands many of the original's ideas, poses new questions, while also taking the story in a new direction. I think it's brilliant in it's own right, and having seen it again, superior to the original.
Great spoiler talk. My thoughts exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUAYzve910 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUAYzve910)
Just watched it. Very pretty movie but I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. Several things in the plot didn't make much sense + there were several generic Hollywood moments. A bit more specific:
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I feel like Jared Leto's character was very underused. I'd expected him to be a more intricate villain rather than just a guy who's trying to maximize replicant production. I feel like they could've done so more with the whole God + Angel thing.
In the end they went for the safe, trite, "GUISE WE ARE HUMANS TOO WE DESERVE RESPECT AND THIS REPLICANT BORN TO A REPLICANT WILL SOMEHOW PROVE IT". This is something I'd expect from Neill Blomhack, not Denis Villeneuve.
Also, how did Ryan Gosling even get the real memory if it's prohibited to implant real memories?
For me, the standout performance in this movie is Luv. Sylvia Hoeks does an absolutely astounding job at playing this character.
Just wish the plot had been less safe, less generic Hollywood.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
Joi emerges as the star of the film.
I agree.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
... she is also played as disposable within the film... She is the subject of the day, and a reflection of where we have already arrived in society. Joi is Siri. An enhanced version to be sure, but the idea is the same.
Yes, I've repeatedly written pretty much the same thing in this thread.
Joi is a super advanced, networked, digital assistant.
- And I've added that another film which went into more detail with that idea was "Her".
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PMJoi showed a great deal of humanity. Perhaps more so than any of the other characters in the film.
That's part of her programming.
And everything I see / hear in "BR 2049" is that Joi is following her programming.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PMAre we our corporeal selves, or are we our "software" or soul selves,...
Joi, was more of an ideal human...
* A core idea in the 1982 "Blade Runner" is that human beings want to be free and not be slaves (unwilling / disposable servants).
- Joi however is fine serving K as his live in girlfriend / servant.
* So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner".
- All of the replicant slaves complaining in the 1982 "Blade Runner" (Rachel and Roy) could be solved according to "BR 2049".
- Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant like Joi so that society will have plenty of happy disposable servants.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 11:26:37 PMYou sound prejudiced on the subject of AIs, in that they do not equate to the worth of humans.
I assume that comment was addressed to me.
I never wrote that A.I, was inferior to humans.
I'll try to be more clear by quoting what I wrote in my previous post including taking a paragraph out of a spoiler tag.
QuoteThe advanced networked A.I. can be seen as superior to a mere human.
There are science fiction stories which explore how super advanced networked A.I. can go far beyond the limits of a human. I've mentioned "Her" which does direct A.I. / human comparisons and shows in many ways that the A.I. is more powerful.
But for the ultimate extension of what A.I. can be there are the energy beings/monoliths in "2001: A Space Odyssey"...
- At its fullest potential a digital assistant "love" for one user is a computer file among billions of computer files for billions of other users networked around the world...
* Here are some examples of the superiority of A.I. in our world today.
- What is the best chess player? An A.I.
- What is the best Jeopardy (a US TV trivia game) player? Again an A.I.
- What is the best Go (a Chinese game) player? Also an A.I.
* Networked A.I. is different than humanity in terms of abilities and has the potential to far surpass what humans can do.
There have been science fiction movies / TV series which explore that.
* To Sum It Up;
We all know that anyone has the privilege to give whatever rating they want to any movie.
You love "BR 2049"? Fine with me.
- My view? "BR 2049" is a visually stunning film.
- Joi is at the top of the heap in a story which overall imo wasn't that interesting.
- For instance to me a lot of "BR 2049" felt like a James Bond film.
Which may explain why some people like it.
- By contrast the original "Blade Runner" was a gritty neo noir movie (like "Chinatown" + science fiction).
- And as for the slave theme in 1982 "Blade Runner"?
"BR 2049" has an answer. Just make happy A.I. disposable servants like Joi.
- Does that fit well in a Blade Runner movie?
Not imo.
;)
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 15, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
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Also, how did Ryan Gosling even get the real memory if it's prohibited to implant real memories?
Huh.
This is explained in the film.
???
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Deckard's daughter (the memory designer) put her real memories inside many many many replicants.
Quote"BR 2049" has an answer. Just make happy A.I. disposable servants like Joi.
You might be right, if this film wasnt in fact about a not so happy replicant servant and not (mainly) his digital love interest. But yea try to make general assertions about a film solely focusing on a side character. I think the original is about the rudeness of people living in large dirty citys then?
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s81kb3j7-q4/ToUmt_sGiBI/AAAAAAAALqk/vjxvW0slbHI/s640/Taffey%2BLewis%2B01.jpg)
The slave theme is prob handled too subtle for some in this movie (James Bond film :D); the whole orphanage segment comes to mind here; the birth/kill sequence;
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Rachaels instant "disposal"
etcetc.
But yea, BR2049 has only one generic answer. ::)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
Joi emerges as the star of the film.
I agree.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
... she is also played as disposable within the film... She is the subject of the day, and a reflection of where we have already arrived in society. Joi is Siri. An enhanced version to be sure, but the idea is the same.
Yes, I've repeatedly written pretty much the same thing in this thread.
Joi is a super advanced, networked, digital assistant.
- And I've added that another film which went into more detail with that idea was "Her".
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PMJoi showed a great deal of humanity. Perhaps more so than any of the other characters in the film.
That's part of her programming.
And everything I see / hear in "BR 2049" is that Joi is following her programming.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 05:12:13 PMAre we our corporeal selves, or are we our "software" or soul selves,...
Joi, was more of an ideal human...
* A core idea in the 1982 "Blade Runner" is that human beings want to be free and not be slaves (unwilling / disposable servants).
- Joi however is fine serving K as his live in girlfriend / servant.
* So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner".
- All of the replicant slaves complaining in the 1982 "Blade Runner" (Rachel and Roy) could be solved according to "BR 2049".
- Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant like Joi so that society will have plenty of happy disposable servants.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2017, 11:26:37 PMYou sound prejudiced on the subject of AIs, in that they do not equate to the worth of humans.
I assume that comment was addressed to me.
I never wrote that A.I, was inferior to humans.
I'll try to be more clear by quoting what I wrote in my previous post including taking a paragraph out of a spoiler tag.
QuoteThe advanced networked A.I. can be seen as superior to a mere human.
There are science fiction stories which explore how super advanced networked A.I. can go far beyond the limits of a human. I've mentioned "Her" which does direct A.I. / human comparisons and shows in many ways that the A.I. is more powerful.
But for the ultimate extension of what A.I. can be there are the energy beings/monoliths in "2001: A Space Odyssey"...
- At its fullest potential a digital assistant "love" for one user is a computer file among billions of computer files for billions of other users networked around the world...
* Here are some examples of the superiority of A.I. in our world today.
- What is the best chess player? An A.I.
- What is the best Jeopardy (a US TV trivia game) player? Again an A.I.
- What is the best Go (a Chinese game) player? Also an A.I.
* Networked A.I. is different than humanity in terms of abilities and has the potential to far surpass what humans can do.
There have been science fiction movies / TV series which explore that.
* To Sum It Up;
We all know that anyone has the privilege to give whatever rating they want to any movie.
You love "BR 2049"? Fine with me.
- My view? "BR 2049" is a visually stunning film.
- Joi is at the top of the heap in a story which overall imo wasn't that interesting.
- For instance to me a lot of "BR 2049" felt like a James Bond film.
Which may explain why some people like it.
- By contrast the original "Blade Runner" was a gritty neo noir movie (like "Chinatown" + science fiction).
- And as for the slave theme in 1982 "Blade Runner"?
"BR 2049" has an answer. Just make happy A.I. disposable servants like Joi.
- Does that fit well in a Blade Runner movie?
Not imo.
;)
I agree 100%.
I'm worried about the poor box office.
Blade Runner 2049 costed 2x times more than Alien: Covenant. But Blade Runner 2049 is doing the same poor numbers of Alien: Covenant.
Very bad news.
Happy Death Day made 26.1 Million USD this weekend. Blade Runner 2049 only did 13 Million USD this weekend.
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
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Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
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I born in 1986 so I suppose I'm a Millenial too.
The truth is Millenials(and most people in general) don't care about this type of movie. They want the biggest and easy to follow spectacles. That's why huge and easy to understand movies are the kings: Avatar, Titanic, Star Wars sequels, Superhero movies, etc....
This movie wasn't exactly hard to understand or follow. But maybe I'm just that smart, I dunno.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
I know, right? Those damn Millennials. Unlike previous generations, who swarmed the cinemas when the original Blade Runner came out.
Oh wait.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 15, 2017, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
I know, right? Those damn Millennials. Unlike previous generations, who swarmed the cinemas when the original Blade Runner came out.
Oh wait.
LOL....
Like I said: Most people of all ages worldwide wants the biggest and easier to follow movies. That's why the kings of money are Avatar, Titanic, Star Wars franchise, Superheroes movies, etc....
The original Blade Runner did not have 35 years to build up its legend.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
A strange claim to make considering millennials rate classics like 2001 ASO and Blade Runner pretty close to what the Boomers did.
2001 ASO
Aged 18-29 - 8.4/10.0
Aged 45+ - 8.2/10.0
Blade Runner
Aged 18-29 - 8.0/10.0
Aged 45+ - 8.5/10.0
Alien 79
Aged 18-29 - 8.3/10.0
Aged 45+ - 8.7/10.0
Now I know it's popular for the older folk to lump the younger generations as lame brain, but a few ounces of research
before making a claim, saves a pound of embarrassment. . . . ;)
They watched it for free or in a group cheaply or over multiple days.
On VCR or DVD or BluRay.
Or ripped from the net.
I stand by my assumption about millennial attention spans.
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Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 16, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
They watched it for free or in a group cheaply or over multiple days.
On VCR or DVD or BluRay.
Or ripped from the net.
"How" they obtained or viewed those classics really has nothing to do with them rating those classics highly. Never heard anyone regardless of age actually admit they rate a film based on whether they viewed it for free or paid for it. But I suppose there out there I guess, I don't know.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 16, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
I stand by my assumption about millennial attention spans.
That's okay, some millennials have less than flattering observations of us old geezers. Tit for tat. . . . ;)
According to John Campea, the reason of the flop was that the trailers and marketing didn't explain well enough the premise of the movie.
Those who are not familiar with the original Blade Runner didn't understand what they tried to sell them and that didn't make them interested in watching the movie.
Hey man, I'm a millennial and I love Blade Runner and Alien. Probably one of the few in my friend group who appreciates films like those.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 15, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think.
Quick fix movies for the lame brained.
Sad
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I born in 1986 so I suppose I'm a Millenial too.
The truth is Millenials(and most people in general) don't care about this type of movie. They want the biggest and easy to follow spectacles. That's why huge and easy to understand movies are the kings: Avatar, Titanic, Star Wars sequels, Superhero movies, etc....
Millennials aren't the only stupid ones. A lot of those identified with Generation X (roughly 1966-1984) hated some of the more intelligent films of their time too. Enemy Mine, Alien3, and Fire in the Sky are three that easily come to mind.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
* So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner".
- All of the replicant slaves complaining in the 1982 "Blade Runner" (Rachel and Roy) could be solved according to "BR 2049".
- Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant like Joi so that society will have plenty of happy disposable servants.
Replicants are biological; they don't have A.I. in them.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
* A core idea in the 1982 "Blade Runner" is that human beings want to be free and not be slaves (unwilling / disposable servants).
Which humans are you referring to, Bryant? Gaff? Holden?
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- Joi however is fine serving K as his live in girlfriend / servant.
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No she isn't. She has aspirations. That's why she is so excited to get the emanator and experience the world outside the apartment, and why she insists on going with him on his journey.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
* So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner".
- All of the replicant slaves complaining in the 1982 "Blade Runner" (Rachel and Roy) could be solved according to "BR 2049".
- Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant like Joi so that society will have plenty of happy disposable servants.
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K certainly doesn't see Joi as disposable.
And I don't think he sees her as a servant. She's a companion, a (faux) girlfriend.
Is she compliant? Or better said, too compliant? I think so. She could have been more wilful, which would have made her a more compelling character. But I wonder if she was deliberately "written down" to heighten the interest in K and Deckard, the central characters. It's like the graphic equalizer on your stereo, if you turn all the frequencies up to 10 then you've achieved nothing, what you want to do is turn some up and some down, whatever you need to attract interest to the right places. But if this is so, then it didn't work. We've just spent the last 10 pages of this thread discussing the meaning of Joi :)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PMThe advanced networked A.I. can be seen as superior to a mere human.
There are science fiction stories which explore how super advanced networked A.I. can go far beyond the limits of a human. I've mentioned "Her" which does direct A.I. / human comparisons and shows in many ways that the A.I. is more powerful.
But for the ultimate extension of what A.I. can be there are the energy beings/monoliths in "2001: A Space Odyssey"...
Yes, but none of this is relevant to BR 2049. It's not a story about the power of AI. It's a story about what it takes to be human.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
The advanced networked A.I. can be seen as superior to a mere human.
...
- At its fullest potential a digital assistant "love" for one user is a computer file among billions of computer files for billions of other users networked around the world...[/u]
...
* Networked A.I. is different than humanity in terms of abilities and has the potential to far surpass what humans can do.
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First of all, there is no evidence that Joi is networked.
Villeneuve created the Blackout idea so he could rid the BR 2049 universe of modern digital computers, which he says get in the way of good storytelling. Notice how K uses a weird analog device (like a micro-fiche viewer) to examine the DNA sample from the wooden horse, and also the funky "radar" in Deckard's hideaway that detects Luv and her goons arriving in their spinners.
Secondly, whether or not Joi is instanced across billions of users is not addressed in the movie, so it's not an issue that exists in Villeneuve's story world. IOW you can safely ignore it. Similarly, in this YouTube review: (courtesy of bobby brown)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUAYzve910 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUAYzve910)
...in which Alachia Queen goes on and on about polymerased PCR cellular cloning techniques and complains that this is not discussed in the movie. If Villeneuve thought a primer on the technicalities of DNA chemistry was necessary for the audience to understand his story, I'm sure he would have put it in. But he didn't, so it's not.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
* Here are some examples of the superiority of A.I. in our world today.
- What is the best chess player? An A.I.
- What is the best Jeopardy (a US TV trivia game) player? Again an A.I.
- What is the best Go (a Chinese game) player? Also an A.I.
Again, not relevant.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- My view? "BR 2049" is a visually stunning film.
My view too.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- Joi is at the top of the heap in a story which overall imo wasn't that interesting.
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This is highly debatable, which is another way of saying you may or may not be right.
If you are, then this signals a fail on the part of the Villeneuve. Joi is not meant to be that interesting (she's a support character in a sub-plot. Your greatest interest is supposed to be with K and his search for the child, and subsequently Deckard. This is the main plot). But then again, considering that there was nothing else of interest to you in the movie (besides the visuals) I guess Villeneuve should consider that a win. LOL.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- For instance to me a lot of "BR 2049" felt like a James Bond film.
Which may explain why some people like it.
To give you some perspective on what other people think, to me BR 2049 felt nothing like a James Bond film.
So that's not why I like it
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- By contrast the original "Blade Runner" was a gritty neo noir movie (like "Chinatown" + science fiction).
Ok, you didn't find BR 2049 a gritty neo noir movie. That means Villeneuve, Gassner, and Deakins failed you again. But you may be interested to know that Villeneuve's directive for the look of the film was "brutalism", and he and Deakins visually attributed BR (1982) to the film-noir genre, not science fiction, and set out to create their own version of that look.
There is, I noted, a stark difference in the large scale interiors between the two movies: The set decoration inside Tyrell Corp has a great deal of texture density, whereas the Wallace interiors are very clean and formal.
Let's wait and see what Oscar has to say about the production design in the next awards round.
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 15, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
- And as for the slave theme in 1982 "Blade Runner"?
"BR 2049" has an answer. Just make happy A.I. disposable servants like Joi.
That's not the question BR 2049 is addressing, so you've invented that answer for yourself.
TC
Joi is absolutely essential to the film. So much more than a sub-plot. Her relationship with K drives the film forward.
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Everything she says and does is driving K's delusion... just as her programming dictates (everything you need to feel, everything you need to hear). As he begins to believe that he might be more than just another replicant, she latches onto the idea and feeds him what he needs to hear ("I always said you were special"). That's why the encounter with the advertisement at the end is so cruel. He realises that everything she ever did or said was just programming.
I think Joi is posing an unasked question that was pretty much ignored in most sci-fi movies about AI and that is do we gift AI respect when it's not in a physical human form. Hal was a light in a box but no one thought of him as being sentient in the human context. The same deal with skynet and mu/th/ur. Because neither was given human form nobody thought of them as being capable of "feelings". Prometheus hit this right on the nose with David's "I'm designed like this because you people are more comfortable interacting with your own kind" comment to Hollyway. David is not human in any way outside of looking human. The same deal with the Iron Giant even though he is an anthropomorphic robot. Joi is software. Yet was only given a virtual body. Most people assume she is just a program. However it is highly likely that the software that drives her also drives all of the replicates. And people seem to view the replicants as being human context capable and not just in a body snatches context. Yet they are not human in any way, the same deal as David or that brat from the movie AI. Yet is it true sentience if you are programed to follow a set protocol? Probably not but shit, she decided on her own volition to protect K by placing her essence into a single unbacked up physically object. The fear and sadness Joi demonstrated right before being murdered to me says that she is sentient on a human level. The software fell in love in my opinion. No Silica.
So as people accept human like machines as being capable of human equality... because we're comfortable interacting with other humans, where does that leave the software that drives them? I think the question is that we need to understand that people and code are too different entities both capable of making free will a tool.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2017, 11:53:49 AM
The software fell in love in my opinion. No Silica.
I think what's clever is that Joi may or may not be sentient (you can read her both ways), just as Deckard may or may not be human. But ultimately, does it really matter?
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 16, 2017, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2017, 11:53:49 AM
The software fell in love in my opinion. No Silica.
I think what's clever is that Joi may or may not be sentient (you can read her both ways), just as Deckard may or may not be human. But ultimately, does it really matter?
Yea it totally does. This is the shit we're going to be dealing with in the real world, eventually. :P
Taking a literal view it matters to those who care and the "slave" code itself. I mean the entire civilization is built upon slaves was a major theme of the movie.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
Yea it totally does. This is the shit we're going to be dealing with in the real world, eventually. :P
Taking a literal view it matters to those who care and the "slave" code itself. I mean the entire civilization is built upon slaves was a major theme of the movie.
Eventually? Try taking a mobile phone or tablet away from a child at bedtime!
@Rudiger
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 16, 2017, 10:33:46 AM
Joi is absolutely essential to the film. So much more than a sub-plot. Her relationship with K drives the film forward.
My test is whether or not the Joi story could be completely written out of the movie - would the main plot remain intact? If so, then Joi is a sub-plot.
Let's try:
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K, a replicant blade runner, discovers a connection between his own origins and a child born of a long dead replicant female and Deckard, a man who hasn't been seen in 30 years. The new Replicant industrialist, Wallace, also learns of this miracle birth and wants the child so he can enrich his empire. He despatches Luv, his chief assistant, to track K in the hopes he will lead them to the child. In the course of his investigations, K discovers he possesses a childhood memory that is real when he visits a woman memory-maker who specialises in creating false memories for others. K infers that if he has a real childhood then he must be human. When the real memory leads him to Deckard's hiding place, Luv closes in and abducts Deckard, leaving K for dead. K is revived by a replicant rebel group who tell him his special real memory was just an implant after all, created to deceive any pursuers from finding the real child. K deduces that the memory maker he interviewed earlier is the miracle child, and rescues Deckard and takes him to see his long lost daughter.
I think that works.
However, I have no doubts that this version of the film would be far weaker than the one we got. Sub-plots are there for a reason, they create complexity that deepen a story and enrich it.
There's an old Hollywood maxim: the main plot carries the action, the sub-plot carries the theme. That's why, I think, we on this board have found the Joi sub-plot so fascinating. We are sci-fi fans and far more interested in the theme in an AI story than a religious allegory (that's what the main plot is, right? The immaculate conception: A Chosen One is born which portends the breakdown of a harsh but stable rule).
I love the Joi character too, you know! But I think there's a small problem in the storytelling that's been kind of smoothed over but the lump still shows.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 16, 2017, 10:33:46 AM
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Everything she says and does is driving K's delusion... just as her programming dictates (everything you need to feel, everything you need to hear). As he begins to believe that he might be more than just another replicant, she latches onto the idea and feeds him what he needs to hear ("I always said you were special"). That's why the encounter with the advertisement at the end is so cruel. He realises that everything she ever did or said was just programming.
You know what, "everything you need to feel, everything you need to hear" and "I always said you were special." I've only seen the movie once but that sure sounds familiar, so you must have got that right. But it reminds me of the slogans from Total Recall (also Phillip K Dick, of course). ...The circle is complete... ;)
@whiterabbit
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2017, 11:53:49 AM
So as people accept human like machines as being capable of human equality... because we're comfortable interacting with other humans, where does that leave the software that drives them? I think the question is that we need to understand that people and code are too different entities both capable of making free will a tool.
Yes, all this. Remember, PKD wrote "Do Androids Dream..." in recognition of the Nazis refusing to admit the Jews as human beings. That's what the androids were (symbolically) in his novel: unempathetic Nazis masquerading as humans, because only non-humans like them could commit such atrocities. That's why in earlier posts i made such an emphasis on the notion of prejudice in BR 2049.
Prejudice is a very important theme in BR 2049, but once again, it's in a sub-plot.
TC
Quote from: TC on Oct 16, 2017, 03:01:28 PM
I love the Joi character too, you know! But I think there's a small problem in the storytelling that's been kind of smoothed over but the lump still shows.
I'm confused. What's the problem?
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 16, 2017, 03:31:13 AM
According to John Campea, the reason of the flop was that the trailers and marketing didn't explain well enough the premise of the movie.
Those who are not familiar with the original Blade Runner didn't understand what they tried to sell them and that didn't make them interested in watching the movie.
John Campea hates the original Blade Runner. He is always bitching about Ridley Scott in general.
So, he is biased against these movies. Campea only cares about his Star Wars and his Marvel flicks.
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John Campea
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No idea who he is, so I had a look at his top ten films for 2016. He includes Deadpool and Rogue One. Nuff said. He has poor taste in movies.
Plebtube reviewer.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 16, 2017, 05:29:41 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think. Quick fix movies for the lame brained. Sad
Millennials aren't the only stupid ones.
"
Today's young generation now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. The young generation are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers."
. . . . Socrates 3rd or 4th century B.C. (loosely quoted)
What's being claimed here is nothing new. The senior generations of any given period have been whining about the younglings for centuries.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 16, 2017, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 16, 2017, 05:29:41 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 15, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Millennial do not get/understand movies that make you think. Quick fix movies for the lame brained. Sad
Millennials aren't the only stupid ones.
"Today's young generation now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. The young generation are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers."
. . . . Socrates 3rd or 4th century B.C. (loosely quoted)
What's being claimed here is nothing new. The senior generations of any given period have been whining about the younglings for centuries.
I did some googling since such a phrase sounds weird coming from Socrates. On wikiquote it's reported as being misattributed to Socrates, and I found some more links:
http://whywedoit.net/blog/2013/08/28/quote-by-socrates-or-is-it/
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/
So........old geezers have been whining about younglings at least since 1907 instead of the 3rd century B.C. ....Got it.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 16, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
I'm confused. What's the problem?
No, you're not the one that's confused. I am! :)
I'll explain:
There are two parts to Joi's story, right?
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1. Everything that we see of her interacting with K, from the moment we are first introduced to her, to the moment she dies trying to protect K.
2. The giant Joi hologram scene on the motorway.
Regarding 1. I'm inclined to go with this post by skhellter:
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 14, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
Hampton Fancher was totally on board the (Joi counts as a sentient being) train.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMEUCiGUMAQH6Q4.jpg:large)
I think i'm gonna side with the creator of the story on this one.
which tells us that, like any normal character, Joi has growth, from which I infer she must have free will and therefore sentience.
Regarding 2. I agree with this post of yours
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 09, 2017, 06:35:17 AM
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In a world of replicants, which are basically enhanced human clones, Joi is nothing but a holographic app. That scene you described was the final kick in the teeth for K. He was in mourning following her loss. He believed he and Joi were in love, that her giving him a real name earlier on somehow validated him and made him more than just a skin job. But when he meets her in giant "advertising" form, he realises that the name giving element of their relationship was preprogrammed and always going to happen. When she named him Joe it was like he had "levelled up". It was heartbreaking or soul destroying for him. That's how I took it.
And when you put those two things together you get a contradiction that rankles me. All through the movie I'm thinking Joi has free will and sentience right up until the giant hologram scene.
Naturally I wasn't about to blame myself :) so I wondered what went wrong in the making.
(Speculating here...) Maybe in script development there were reservations about taking the story into AI territory, and also they trimmed some Joi scenes to stop her from competing for attention with the main characters, and in so doing they mucked it up ever so slightly?
Or are they are deliberately striving for ambiguity? In its mildest guise this is the same thing as subtlety which I'm fine with but I dislike ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. If your story has something to say you should be confident and say it. In BR (1982) the main plot was unaffected by the ambiguity of Deckard's replicant status, so I was perfectly fine with that, but this time around your interpretation interferes with your understanding of K's motives for what he does next.
So did the writers want to say that Joi has free will or not? I think a valid story could be told either way.
If Joi is nothing more than mimicry of free will and sentience then this is how I would have told that version,
without ambiguity:
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When Luv and her goons show up at Deckard's hideaway, Deckard and K and Joi hide behind a table. Joi jumps up and starts waving her arms to attract Luv's attention. K is shocked and asks what the hell she's doing! Joi says, "She and I are Wallace. I can't help it! If you were Nexus 9 you'd be Wallace too. But you're not. Sorry!" She begins calling out to Luv but is cut short when Deckard crushes the emanator beneath his boot.
K is distraught.
(It's like that early draft of Aliens in which Bishop flies in with the dropship to rescue Ripley. At the last second he refuses to land and tells her, "Sorry, but my programming won't allow me to do this. You're a safety risk who will endanger the ship!" and flies away again.)
Now jump forward to the part of the movie with the giant hologram. K has learned that he's not really human, the love of his life was never truly in love with him, he lost Deckard in the battle with Luv, and he's really depressed. In this version, because of the scene I just described, it's easy to interpret the presence of giant hologram; his own gullibility allowed him to be betrayed by a mere machine.
He goes home, pours a drink, and sees that his phone has one message waiting for him. It's Lieutenant Joshi. She's dying as she warns K that there's a Wallace goon squad tracking him. "One more thing; that mission I gave you was unfair. No wonder you failed the baseline. If you're gonna pass the next one, you need to know you're not Nexus 9...or even 8...you're Nexus 7, Tyrell's prototype that never made it to production 'cos they couldn't take behaviour and personality implants...they each had to grow their own...Good luck."
And that's the inspiration K needs in order to risk his life rescuing Deckard.
I already posted an alternate version which says,
unambiguously, that Joi really does have free will and sentience, but I don't expect readers to be bothered to go looking for it so I cut and pasted it here:
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The scene in which Joi dies doesn't occur. Neither is there that giant hologram scene.
Instead, K attempts to free Deckard by breaking into the Wallace building. He does this with Joi's assistance: when she connects to the Wallace servers to download her regularly scheduled software update, she's able to infiltrate a backdoor and disable the security system.
Inside the Wallace building, K sees the opportunity to download Joi's mind into a newborn replicant, giving her what she's always wanted - a physical body. But as we all know, it takes close to four years for a newborn replicant to develop emotions.
This is Joi's dilemma that signals the climax of her character arc: does she choose the physical body and lose her love for K, or does she stay as she is, a virtual being?
(And then, of course, K frees Deckard and whisks him away to Memory Girl.)
(BTW: I'm not saying I'm a better writer than Fancher or Green or Villeneuve. These rewrites are simply my choices. You can consider them fan fiction. And also, I still think BR 2049 is a good movie as is.)
@Rudiger
You know what, I thought of a 3rd possibility! :
If you look at my previous post I said your two quotes reminded me of Total Recall, another Phillip K Dick story. That made me think: deliberately deceiving the audience into thinking of Joi one way (a creature of free will), and then going, AHA! Gotcha - she's actually a program! is a very PKD thing to do.
TC
@ TC...
I guess it all depends on how you interpret that quote from Fancher, and, of course, whether we need more context. He's clearly referencing an early draft of the screenplay, so maybe those comments don't fully relate to what we finaly see on screen?
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That said, there's no doubt that Joi's character develops as the film progresses. But is that due to free will on her part, or just a consequence of her programming? And then the bigger question (just like in Blade Runner) is whether it matters one way or the other what she is? Isn't how she makes K "feel" what's important?
Either way you look at it, she keeps telling K exactly what he wants to hear (or what her programming reasons that he wants to hear); she starts out as devoted wife (remember the anniversary bit), but then latches on to his delusion / mistaken belief ("I always knew you were special" and then the bit about giving him a "real" name).
My theory...
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If Blade Runner was all about what it means to be human, is Blade Runner 2049 all about what it means to love and be loved? It can bring joy, it can bring misery, it can make you sacrifice everything and so on. Those Sinatra and Elvis songs weren't there by chance.
Also...
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Love kills joy.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 16, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 16, 2017, 03:31:13 AM
According to John Campea, the reason of the flop was that the trailers and marketing didn't explain well enough the premise of the movie.
Those who are not familiar with the original Blade Runner didn't understand what they tried to sell them and that didn't make them interested in watching the movie.
John Campea hates the original Blade Runner. He is always bitching about Ridley Scott in general.
So, he is biased against these movies. Campea only cares about his Star Wars and his Marvel flicks.
He knows a lot more about the movie industry than you, as he has worked on it for more than one decade.
Also, he's not giving his opinion in the movie, but explaining the reasons why the marketing didn't drive people to the theaters. Yeah, it's his point of view, anyway.
The fact you instantly jump to criticize his "taste" on movies when the video has nothing to do with it, just makes you look like a fanboy.
All humans have their own programming that they have to follow. That being said, we are all capable of making choices. In this regard Joi is the same. She has programming, but also the ability to make free choices. The difference between the two is more a question of degree than a hard distinction.
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 17, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 16, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 16, 2017, 03:31:13 AM
According to John Campea, the reason of the flop was that the trailers and marketing didn't explain well enough the premise of the movie.
Those who are not familiar with the original Blade Runner didn't understand what they tried to sell them and that didn't make them interested in watching the movie.
John Campea hates the original Blade Runner. He is always bitching about Ridley Scott in general.
So, he is biased against these movies. Campea only cares about his Star Wars and his Marvel flicks.
He knows a lot more about the movie industry than you, as he has worked on it for more than one decade.
Also, he's not giving his opinion in the movie, but explaining the reasons why the marketing didn't drive people to the theaters. Yeah, it's his point of view, anyway.
The fact you instantly jump to criticize his "taste" on movies when the video has nothing to do with it, just makes you look like a fanboy.
His hatred for the original Blade Runner is very famous in Youtube. And Campea is always talking about that.
He just have very different tastes than me. He adores Disney, Star Wars and Marvel. I hate all of those.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 17, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
All humans have their own programming that they have to follow. That being said, we are all capable of making choices. In this regard Joi is the same. She has programming, but also the ability to make free choices. The difference between the two is more a question of degree than a hard distinction.
Actually just what is the Joi program?
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/blade-runner/268248/blade-runner-2049-and-the-role-of-joi-in-a-joyless-world
Blade Runner and Alien are most definitely in the same world and the software in both worlds are alive and enchained by mankind.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 17, 2017, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 17, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 16, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 16, 2017, 03:31:13 AM
According to John Campea, the reason of the flop was that the trailers and marketing didn't explain well enough the premise of the movie.
Those who are not familiar with the original Blade Runner didn't understand what they tried to sell them and that didn't make them interested in watching the movie.
John Campea hates the original Blade Runner. He is always bitching about Ridley Scott in general.
So, he is biased against these movies. Campea only cares about his Star Wars and his Marvel flicks.
He knows a lot more about the movie industry than you, as he has worked on it for more than one decade.
Also, he's not giving his opinion in the movie, but explaining the reasons why the marketing didn't drive people to the theaters. Yeah, it's his point of view, anyway.
The fact you instantly jump to criticize his "taste" on movies when the video has nothing to do with it, just makes you look like a fanboy.
His hatred for the original Blade Runner is very famous in Youtube. And Campea is always talking about that.
He just have very different tastes than me. He adores Disney, Star Wars and Marvel. I hate all of those.
And what does any of that have to do with his analysis on why people didn't go out to see this movie.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 17, 2017, 10:33:18 PMHis hatred for the original Blade Runner is very famous in Youtube. And Campea is always talking about that.
He just have very different tastes than me. He adores Disney, Star Wars and Marvel. I hate all of those.
What does have to do at all with the fact the movie didn't do well in the box office?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 17, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
All humans have their own programming that they have to follow. That being said, we are all capable of making choices. In this regard Joi is the same. She has programming, but also the ability to make free choices. The difference between the two is more a question of degree than a hard distinction.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 17, 2017, 02:47:46 PM
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Either way you look at it, she keeps telling K exactly what he wants to hear (or what her programming reasons that he wants to hear); she starts out as devoted wife (remember the anniversary bit), but then latches on to his delusion / mistaken belief ("I always knew you were special" and then the bit about giving him a "real" name).
Yeah, this struck a chord with me when you pointed it out before.
There's no doubt that the filmmakers are telling us, or rather,
reminding us, that Joi was artificial. And I agree that this means the things she said (to K) were prompted by her programming.
But...
1. some viewers infer that "prompted by her programming" means that they were not heartfelt.
Others say...
2. that's not necesarily true; she was really programmed to have
the feelings that motivated her to say those things. And just because those feelings were programmed does not make them less real than the feelings humans are programmed to have. (Don't believe me? Aren't parents programmed to love their children?).
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But this is just pleasurable after-the-movie-finishes-what-did-it-mean discussion for the audience. What's actually important is, which of those two options did K believe? (when he's reminded of her at the giant hologram scene on the motorway).
Because of what happens next (which is, he resolves to risk his life saving Deckard), the most sensical option is no.1: so standing on the motorway he's feeling resentment towards Joi, he feels shame to have been so naive, and he's thinking, "I can be better than her and I'm going to prove it." In other words, she is diminished in his eyes.
Which means that by the end of the movie we're told that although the humans were wrong to have been prejudiced against K and deny him personhood, K was right to be prejudiced and deny personhood to Joi.
It's always good to know there's someone lower than you on the foodchain that deserves a good kicking, isn't it?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxM9BZeRrUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxM9BZeRrUI)
I find it difficult to believe this is really what Villeneuve wants us to think, so there has to be a kink in the storytelling somewhere...
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 17, 2017, 02:47:46 PM
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And then the bigger question (just like in Blade Runner) is whether it matters one way or the other what she is? Isn't how she makes K "feel" what's important?
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She certainly makes him feel good throughout most of the movie. But how does he feel about her in the giant hologram motorway scene? It has to be something that prompts him to resolve to save Deckard. This is the classic "moment of crisis" for the protagonist, a lull in the action while he considers his predicament and then (inevitably) decides to heroically leap into the third act, bringing the entire story to a climax!
You've seen the movie multiple times (I've only seen it once); what is the expression on K's face as he stands before the hologram? Could he possibly be reminiscing over happy times? If so, is it possible for that to make him think, "I can be a real boy if only I save Deckard"?
TC
@ TC above...
I think you've captured what's so damn good about this movie.
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You could argue that K feels shame and then accepts his naievity. Or you could just as easily argue that K resolves to do the decent thing, to do what's right, and so it really doesn't matter what he is, what Joi is, or whether either of them is ever "real". It's what we chose to do that's important, whether we be human, replicant or AI.
As Roy decides that all life is precious - even Deckard's - at the end of Blade Runner, so too does K. He makes a choice, so he escapes the confines of his role in life (that of blade runner and hunter / killer). He breaks free. And he knows it's probably not going to end well.
Great movie. Can't wait to see it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9iv9HwO5Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9iv9HwO5Q)
https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/919948060595228672 (https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/919948060595228672)
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 18, 2017, 02:49:10 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 17, 2017, 10:33:18 PMHis hatred for the original Blade Runner is very famous in Youtube. And Campea is always talking about that.
He just have very different tastes than me. He adores Disney, Star Wars and Marvel. I hate all of those.
What does have to do at all with the fact the movie didn't do well in the box office?
He is wrong. The marketing was good.
The movie is just too long, too slow and too boring for younger audiences.
A movie's quality should never be determined by box office.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 18, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
A movie's quality should never be determined by box office.
Correct.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 18, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
A movie's quality should never be determined by box office.
True.
Everyone here(including me) liked 2049. 7/10 movie to me. The problem was the poor box office.
As of this moment, the movie made $159,843,960 worldwide. So it will pay itself off. I just feel that this movie will keep making money in other ways over the years. Despite the earnings, I still kind of smell an Oscar. Anyway, what is great is that this film will always have a cult-like status. It drew dividing lines between intelligent viewers and people who just like the bright lights and effects of the drivel that Marvel keeps putting out (fanboys basically). There is a dignity that remains about BladeRunner, which more popular films just don't have. Mercifully, there were no dance-off scenes or anything else remotely funny so it's not like we're going to see kids running around with Blade Runner lunch boxes or Deckard action figures. You can enjoy this film and still be an adult.
I'm an adult and I liked Guardians of the Galaxy. It's a smart, well made film.
And there's plenty that's funny in Blade Runner 2049.
Is it ever stated outright that Luv or K are Nexus 9? Could one or both be Nexus 8? (Likewise, what can we conclude about the henchmen that accompany Luv?)
Spoiler
If K is Nexus 9, doesn't that mean that at any time (for example, while going about his duties as a blade runner), any human could have told him to summarily kill himself?
And if Luv was Nexus 9, couldn't Lt. Joshi have saved herself by ordering Luv to stop?
Or was that the purpose of the baseline test? (K has his obedience algorithm disabled so must undergo daily monitoring instead.)
And with Luv, do we conclude that special illegal models of Nexus 9 exist for Wallace's own evil purposes?
TC
In reply to TC...
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I assumed that both K and Luv are Nexus 9 replicants, and as such they must obey the orders of their owner. They obviously have it in them to break this protocol and do their own thing, but this comes at a significant psychological cost, which the baseline test is designed to reveal.
I thought it was interesting that just before Luv killed Joshi she said "I'll tell Wallace you fired first". Does this mean that she decided to kill Joshi herself and needed to justify her actions, or was it to somehow protect Wallace from the moral implications of what she had done on his behalf? The fact that she had killed a human seemed more of a bigger deal than when she killed a replicant. Character-wise, it helped to make both Luv and Wallace more interesting for me. Not your everyday villains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ibTaoVU4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ibTaoVU4g)
I got some amusing comments on my YouTube video:
(https://i.imgur.com/Qhr4WHJ.png)
Are they for real?
I guess so, I haven't bothered replying to them.
I've been to seen Blade Runner 2049 three times now and I have to say that I've liked it more each time.
The minor gripes I had have mostly evaporated. It isn't as poetic as the original, but there's something about BR2049 (that I can't put my finger on) that compensates for that.
I can understand people's doubts over the running length, but I wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
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Pictured below: Actress Loren Peta played the role of Rachael on set with the actors. The VFX team them created a digital version of Sean Young's head, which was used in the completed shot.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn4.thr.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F10%2Fvfx-mpc-018_copy.jpg&hash=84c2df9764f2a8378e53b2215cfaab6967ec01f3)
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/blade-runner-2049-digital-sean-young-is-latest-hollywood-s-digital-human-evolution-1050635
Luv best girl.
Designing the technology of 'Blade Runner 2049'
(https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/813458e0a9e887a2f90cda3aa2fdb52d/205785248/clickclack.gif)
https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/20/designing-the-technology-of-blade-runner-2049/
Meet the amateur scientists behind Blade Runner 2049's unique dystopian future
(https://wi-images.condecdn.net/image/MoYx2v2EpB0/crop/810)
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/blade-runner-2049-behind-the-scenes
Did anyone else see a ship that looked an awful lot like the Sulaco when K and Joi were flying out to the scrapyard place?
I saw a pic of that somewhere, no I don't think it's the Sulaco but apparently the Millenium Falcon can be spotted in the original so who knows.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 21, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Spoiler
Pictured below: Actress Loren Peta played the role of Rachael on set with the actors. The VFX team them created a digital version of Sean Young's head, which was used in the completed shot.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn4.thr.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F10%2Fvfx-mpc-018_copy.jpg&hash=84c2df9764f2a8378e53b2215cfaab6967ec01f3)
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/blade-runner-2049-digital-sean-young-is-latest-hollywood-s-digital-human-evolution-1050635
That looked amazing, and I thought what they did in
Rogue One was obvious CGI, but here I could not tell.
Quote from: irn on Oct 21, 2017, 11:09:13 PM
Did anyone else see a ship that looked an awful lot like the Sulaco when K and Joi were flying out to the scrapyard place?
Sure did look like it.
I heard there was also a ship that looked like it was from Soldier in there...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 22, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
I heard there was also a ship that looked like it was from Soldier in there...
Also when they visit the scrapyard, I think.
Aaaah, sweet Easter eggs....
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 19, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
I got some amusing comments on my YouTube video:
(https://i.imgur.com/Qhr4WHJ.png)
I don't get Spielberg and Lucas reference.
I mean: Spielberg and Lucas are very different from the Blade Runner style/mood.
I don't even remember what the ships in Soldier looked like. Gonna have to rewatch it now out of curiosity.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 22, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
I don't even remember what the ships in Soldier looked like. Gonna have to rewatch it now out of curiosity.
I like the look of 2049 more tbh.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 22, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
I heard there was also a ship that looked like it was from Soldier in there...
Same function, very different look.
From
Soldier, the other Blade Runner sequel written by the other Blade Runner writer:
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From
2049, design inspired by an Eastern European aircraft tug:
(https://imgur.com/DsJMLsU.jpg)
Masterful!
https://twitter.com/thisisbenoliver/status/921043686389149696 (https://twitter.com/thisisbenoliver/status/921043686389149696)
Same artist: https://twitter.com/thisisbenoliver/status/918539921228484608
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WgHjqSfv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_1600/pz8a9oc1q8euocnz7wfm.jpg)
More here:
https://kotaku.com/the-art-of-blade-runner-2049-1819757867
Which is worse?
Alien: Covenant 220 against 97(Budget).
Or 2049: Possible 300 against 155(Budget)?....
Even if Blade Runner 2049 actually reaches 300 (and I doubt it), it's worse.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 24, 2017, 05:25:13 PM
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More here:
https://kotaku.com/the-art-of-blade-runner-2049-1819757867
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Amazing in this day and age that concept art is sometimes still done with traditional tools. Early concept art by George Hull for Luv's flying car heavily influenced by the 1965 Lincoln Continental. Designs were generally too "futuristic" for my taste but at least this one harked back to the late noir era. Of course they had to then go and f*ck up the design by making it more "feminine" (cause it's Luvie's car) for the final film.
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Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 24, 2017, 09:08:38 PM
Even if Blade Runner 2049 actually reaches 300 (and I doubt it), it's worse.
You are probably right.
I was expecting 2049 to do a lot better. Like the 409 Million USD of Prometheus.
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I could be wrong, but did anyone notice when Joi is poking around Deckard's apartment in Las Vegas, she is looking at some plant type enclosures (not sure what they are), and I thought I heard a very "Alien" ambient sound effect playing?
Quote from: maddaddam on Oct 25, 2017, 05:11:50 AM
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I could be wrong, but did anyone notice when Joi is poking around Deckard's apartment in Las Vegas, she is looking at some plant type enclosures (not sure what they are), and I thought I heard a very "Alien" ambient sound effect playing?
Spoiler
That ambient sound - the hum from Muthr in Alien is also present when K is listening to the audio sample of Deckard interviewing Rachel at Wallace's archival facility.
Quote from: Prez on Oct 25, 2017, 05:26:49 AM
Quote from: maddaddam on Oct 25, 2017, 05:11:50 AM
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I could be wrong, but did anyone notice when Joi is poking around Deckard's apartment in Las Vegas, she is looking at some plant type enclosures (not sure what they are), and I thought I heard a very "Alien" ambient sound effect playing?
Spoiler
That ambient sound - the hum from Muthr in Alien is also present when K is listening to the audio sample of Deckard interviewing Rachel at Wallace's archival facility.
Spoiler
If I remember correctly, that sound, or a similar one, also appears in Deckard's apartment in the original.
Quote from: Tryfan on Oct 25, 2017, 06:19:27 AM
Quote from: Prez on Oct 25, 2017, 05:26:49 AM
Quote from: maddaddam on Oct 25, 2017, 05:11:50 AM
Spoiler
I could be wrong, but did anyone notice when Joi is poking around Deckard's apartment in Las Vegas, she is looking at some plant type enclosures (not sure what they are), and I thought I heard a very "Alien" ambient sound effect playing?
Spoiler
That ambient sound - the hum from Muthr in Alien is also present when K is listening to the audio sample of Deckard interviewing Rachel at Wallace's archival facility.
Spoiler
If I remember correctly, that sound, or a similar one, also appears in Deckard's apartment in the original.
Spoiler
Correct. Also was in Empire Strikes Back too when Luke arrives on Bespin and walks through that cylindrical tunnel before meeting Vader in the Carbonite chamber.
aaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa....
What a great sound!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 25, 2017, 10:48:28 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa....
What a great sound!
Top notch.
Not that I can remember but I'm sure I've heard it in other films too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZV2ycGy9PQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZV2ycGy9PQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FGi-lgoWT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FGi-lgoWT0)
I've always loved Sean, through thick and thin. :)
1968 "Luv" ice-cream commercial directed by Ridley Scott starring David Bowie (Villeneuve's original and first choice for playing Niander Wallace):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
1968 "Luv" ice-cream commercial directed by Ridley Scott starring David Bowie (Villeneuve's original and first choice for playing Niander Wallace):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8)
Coincidence? :)
Back to box office:
QuoteNope, China will not be saving Blade Runner 2049. The Sony/Alcon Entertainment production, which has earned just under $200 million worldwide ($77m of that in North America courtesy of Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc.), bombed in its first day of release in the second-biggest moviegoing market in the world. The $150m+ sci-fi sequel, which debuted to rave reviews but indifferent box office earlier this month, earned just $2.4m on Friday. That means, offhand, that we're looking at a $7-$8m weekend and $15-$20m total in said territory.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/27/box-office-blade-runner-2049-bombs-in-china/#498fa3701b9e
What a shame. Such a good movie.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
1968 "Luv" ice-cream commercial directed by Ridley Scott starring David Bowie (Villeneuve's original and first choice for playing Niander Wallace):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8)
Coincidence? :)
Back to box office:
QuoteNope, China will not be saving Blade Runner 2049. The Sony/Alcon Entertainment production, which has earned just under $200 million worldwide ($77m of that in North America courtesy of Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc.), bombed in its first day of release in the second-biggest moviegoing market in the world. The $150m+ sci-fi sequel, which debuted to rave reviews but indifferent box office earlier this month, earned just $2.4m on Friday. That means, offhand, that we're looking at a $7-$8m weekend and $15-$20m total in said territory.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/27/box-office-blade-runner-2049-bombs-in-china/#498fa3701b9e
What a shame. Such a good movie.
A lot worse than in the USA.
300 is impossible. More like 250 for 2049. Huge flop.
Bigger flop than Alien: Covenant.
QuoteA new 14-minute feature released by Soundworks gives an impressive look into the incredible sound design of this year's blockbuster Blade Runner 2049.
The piece features interviews and commentary from the film's director Denis Villeneuve, sound supervisor Mark Mangini, sound designer Theo Green and more.
Composers Hans Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch give an inside look of their work on Blade Runner 2049, explaining their homage to the original film's score using only the same tech as Vangelis did in the first movie and showing a demo of the iconic Arturia CS-80 synthesizer.
With sound design playing such a vital part in the motion picture, sound supervisor Mark Magini goes through his process of creating over 2500 custom audio elements using an array of organic and man-made objects.
The feature also shows exclusive studio footage of Vangelis.
Video inside:
http://mixmag.net/read/new-documentary-gives-in-depth-look-at-the-sound-design-of-blade-runner-2049-news
I must admit that I wasn't blown away by new soundtrack at cinema but now it looks like it grows on me with every day.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
QuoteA new 14-minute feature released by Soundworks gives an impressive look into the incredible sound design of this year's blockbuster Blade Runner 2049.
The piece features interviews and commentary from the film's director Denis Villeneuve, sound supervisor Mark Mangini, sound designer Theo Green and more.
Composers Hans Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch give an inside look of their work on Blade Runner 2049, explaining their homage to the original film's score using only the same tech as Vangelis did in the first movie and showing a demo of the iconic Arturia CS-80 synthesizer.
With sound design playing such a vital part in the motion picture, sound supervisor Mark Magini goes through his process of creating over 2500 custom audio elements using an array of organic and man-made objects.
The feature also shows exclusive studio footage of Vangelis.
Video inside:
http://mixmag.net/read/new-documentary-gives-in-depth-look-at-the-sound-design-of-blade-runner-2049-news
I must admit that I wasn't blown away by new soundtrack at cinema but now it looks like it grows on me with every day.
I think the soundtrack didn't worked in 2049.
It works when I listen to it without the movie.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
QuoteA new 14-minute feature released by Soundworks gives an impressive look into the incredible sound design of this year's blockbuster Blade Runner 2049.
The piece features interviews and commentary from the film's director Denis Villeneuve, sound supervisor Mark Mangini, sound designer Theo Green and more.
Composers Hans Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch give an inside look of their work on Blade Runner 2049, explaining their homage to the original film's score using only the same tech as Vangelis did in the first movie and showing a demo of the iconic Arturia CS-80 synthesizer.
With sound design playing such a vital part in the motion picture, sound supervisor Mark Magini goes through his process of creating over 2500 custom audio elements using an array of organic and man-made objects.
The feature also shows exclusive studio footage of Vangelis.
Video inside:
http://mixmag.net/read/new-documentary-gives-in-depth-look-at-the-sound-design-of-blade-runner-2049-news
I must admit that I wasn't blown away by new soundtrack at cinema but now it looks like it grows on me with every day.
That was a lovely video. Thank you.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 27, 2017, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
1968 "Luv" ice-cream commercial directed by Ridley Scott starring David Bowie (Villeneuve's original and first choice for playing Niander Wallace):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8)
Coincidence? :)
Back to box office:
QuoteNope, China will not be saving Blade Runner 2049. The Sony/Alcon Entertainment production, which has earned just under $200 million worldwide ($77m of that in North America courtesy of Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc.), bombed in its first day of release in the second-biggest moviegoing market in the world. The $150m+ sci-fi sequel, which debuted to rave reviews but indifferent box office earlier this month, earned just $2.4m on Friday. That means, offhand, that we're looking at a $7-$8m weekend and $15-$20m total in said territory.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/27/box-office-blade-runner-2049-bombs-in-china/#498fa3701b9e
What a shame. Such a good movie.
A lot worse than in the USA.
300 is impossible. More like 250 for 2049. Huge flop.
Bigger flop than Alien: Covenant.
* "Covenant" was not a flop. It's box office was almost 2.5 times its production budget.
Get box office above 2 times the production budget and that gets the movie out of clear flop territory.
* By contrast "BR 2049" is heading to be a flop.
The production budget of "BR 2049" is $150 million. In order to avoid being a certain flop, "2049" must make 2 x its production budget in theaters or $300 million.
* What happened?
** My current "BR 2049" review with only minimal spoilers;
- "BR 2049" is a beautifully photographed film with excellent use of color, and imaginative production design.
For that reason alone I recommend that people see it.
- Also, there is some continuation from 1982 "Blade Runner" which is worth watching for fans who are very interested in the world of the original.
Because of all of this, I will buy "BR 2049" on Bluray/streaming.
* Why is "BR 2049" underperforming imo?
1. With popular taste, the film is slow (lacking action / emotion ) and about 1/2 hour too long with its 2 3/4 hour run time.
2. Popular science fiction taste can respond to the wacky action of a "Fury Road". "BR 2049" tries to go in that direction but it's not enough of the focus of the film to work, because it is again too slow and too long.
3. What about the Nolan emotional approach in science fiction such as with "Interstellar" where characters cry for about a 1/2 hour? That can hook the mass audience almost 3 hours.
- "BR 2049" has very little intense emotion. Does the mass audience care that much about a hologram's memory stored in the equivalent of a flash drive?
- "BR 2049" imo even has less emotional connection than 1982 "Blade Runner" where at least Rachel's story could lead to tears and Roy's pleas at the end could tug at one's heart.
- "BR 2049" is pretty much emotionally flat. The causes/themes of the original (about slavery) have been pushed so far into the background until they've lost almost all of their impact.
4. Is "BR 2049" an art film? Only with its visual look.
Strip that away and the core of the story has a schlock James Bond villain with his James Bond stooge killer trying to do evil things.
- Like the most trashy James Bond films, "BR 2049" does not make sense a lot of the time.
- There is even the James Bond trope where a villain has the hero at their mercy and don't kill him!
- Put "BR 2049" under close scrutiny and in terms of the logic of the rules of its world, and character motivation and plausibility often does not made sense.
5. Compare this with "Arrival", a true science fiction art film.
"Arrival" explores free will vs determinism, choices through time.
It looks at the varied human reactions to beings which are strange, different.
That led to the art house appeal of "Arrival" over many months.
- By contrast "BR 2049" is a silly movie covered in a visually artistic shell.
There is almost no depth to it. And whatever themes are there (AI acting like a human) is done in a superficial way which has been surpassed with multiple science fiction films / TV.
I believe that some art film fans will see that.
;)
Gasp! That was a scathing review. Some valid points, but I can't agree in entirety. The film daftly explores the meaning of what it is to be human. I love Joi. Such an amazing character, so subtly played...
The problem with the film was the lack of Vangelis. The soundtrack is devoid of melody and uninspired. Secondly, Jared Leto drives me bananas. He just played himself again, and it was awful.
The rest of the film is downright epochal. So good!
I know that the box office is no true measure of a film's worth, but it is somewhat a measure of society. And doggone it, humanity failed the test this time. I am a little disappointed with humans right now. I feel like I died a little inside knowing that this film has flopped. Maybe we're not as enlightened a species as I hoped.. :'(
Blade Runner is a thriller, not an 'art film'.
It has artistic aspirations, though.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
1968 "Luv" ice-cream commercial directed by Ridley Scott starring David Bowie (Villeneuve's original and first choice for playing Niander Wallace):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAvjgg38vg8)
Coincidence? :)
Back to box office:
QuoteNope, China will not be saving Blade Runner 2049. The Sony/Alcon Entertainment production, which has earned just under $200 million worldwide ($77m of that in North America courtesy of Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc.), bombed in its first day of release in the second-biggest moviegoing market in the world. The $150m+ sci-fi sequel, which debuted to rave reviews but indifferent box office earlier this month, earned just $2.4m on Friday. That means, offhand, that we're looking at a $7-$8m weekend and $15-$20m total in said territory.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/27/box-office-blade-runner-2049-bombs-in-china/#498fa3701b9e
What a shame. Such a good movie.
Wow. I thought Sci-Fi like this would do really well in asian markets. f**k.
The less a film makes, the bigger cult classic it becomes. Happens every time.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PM
Maybe we're not as enlightened a species as I hoped.. :'(
There's been ample proof of that in the last eighteen months. :(
I'm just glad they seemingly made this film just for me. ;D
I think I'll see it again next week. Nothing else showing at the moment interests me. Definitely have zero interest in Thor Ragnarok.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 28, 2017, 05:43:09 AM
The less a film makes, the bigger cult classic it becomes. Happens every time.
In the wonderful Information Age where any entertainment venue is dissected and flayed by a plethora of movie blog sites sometimes before a movie is even released, and at a time you hardly have to wait sometimes only as little as a month after its box office run for it to appear on streaming sites, is the "cult classic" an extinct species now?
Just speculating, but I believe a film that becomes well known as a cult classic are ones that have had limited exposure to the masses. By masses, I don't mean the theater masses, they are the minority now. I'm talking about the mega-masses who's primary entertainment avenue is at home. There are smaller film project releases that are currently playing at the box office and I have access to them on my VUDU right now.
Also, the term "cult classic" and its perception appears to me to be falling in the victim pile of other words that have lost their magnanimous status such as "genius" or "masterpiece." (i.e. "They are offering free servings per cup, so I brought an extra cup." ..... "Dude, you are a genius!" ....Lewis C.K.)
Can a film obtain the status of cult classic when it has been overexposed? What's the last film and its year released that hordes of professional critics are calling it a "true cult classic?"
I don't think the "cult classic" is extinct, mainly because the availability of content is a double-edged sword; With having more content available to you than you'll ever be able to consume, many things get ignored. Instead of being a matter of scarcity, it's now a fight for the person's time; You have almost any film you wish to see at the press of a button, but only a limited amount of time - what will you watch?
This is why many of the old cult classics are cult classics still. The original Blade Runner is still not a film many people have seen, despite it being easily available to them. This is why the sequel didn't have the audience to do well at the box office. People are complaining that its downfall is because the trailer didn't reveal what it's about, but the audience already had a 2 hour highly praised "trailer" available to them at the press of a button if Blade Runner was really something that interested them. Some cult classics do manage to break out of their cult status and have a huge cultural impact (Fight Club comes to mind), but films such as The Evil Dead, Eraserhead, Office Space, Re-Animator, Dazed and Confused, and Death Race 2000 are still relatively obscure.
All that said, I don't think Blade Runner 2049 will ever end up being a cult classic, mainly because such films are usually missed by the critics as well. Blade Runner 2049 is tanking the box office, but many critics are already discussing its spot in their favorite movies of the year lists, and pretty much everybody's buzzing about its Oscar possibilities. It's a film without an audience, sure, just like its predecessor, but it's hardly a film that's overlooked.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 08:19:03 AM
This is why many of the old cult classics are cult classics still.
All good points you make, but this quote above is mainly what I was aiming at, which, I'm still curious what's the last film and its year released that hordes of professional critics are calling it a "true cult classic?" Does a film released in the new millennium widely recognized as a cult classic even exist?
Btw, premiumbeat.com has an article about what a makes a film a cult classic. An interesting read that explains the difference between a cult following and a cult classic.... https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/how-does-a-film-become-a-cult-classic-2/
I don't think there ever was a film that has been released that the critics labeled as a cult classic. Cult classics are usually films that are dismissed by the critics as well. It's something that happens organically over time, until eventually those films have to be labeled as such.
The last film critics hoped would achieve a cult status, as far as I could tell, was Edge of Tomorrow (2014), but I wouldn't have classified that film as a cult film to begin with, nor do I think it achieved that status. It's a film that underperformed, but wasn't overlooked.
More good points. Now to clarify something I stated above regarding professional critics, I didn't mean did they call it a cult classic in their fresh review of a film just released. There would be no reason to call it a cult classic with the critic not yet knowing if the film accrued a dedicated audience. I'm talking about their retrospect themed articles, which Roger Ebert has wrote before on a list of older films, where they are more like to use the term cult classic.
In the link I provide above, they include a list of "most popular" cult classics. Other than American Psycho (2000), all on the list are pre-new millennium films of various decades. So there is indeed representation of cult classics in multiple decades. What happened after 2000? It's 2017, are there any films where a series of articles today are calling, say for example, a "2007" or a "2003" film a cult classic? If not, what happened? Has the cult classic as traditionally perceived, gone extinct?
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 28, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
More good points. Now to clarify something I stated above regarding professional critics, I didn't mean did they call it a cult classic in their fresh review of a film just released. There would be no reason to call it a cult classic with the critic not yet knowing if the film accrued a dedicated audience. I'm talking about their retrospect themed articles, which Roger Ebert has wrote before on a list of older films, where they are more like to use the term cult classic.
Yeah, I actually got that from your post, I think I just didn't express myself clearly with my own reply. When I was talking about reviewers talking about Edge of Tomorrow's potential cult status, they did it a couple of years after the film's release - not during their initial review. They were talking about how the film underperformed, but received massive praise from the people who did see it.
The reason I don't personally consider that film to be a cult film has to do with the definition of "cult": The best definition I've seen to the word is "A religion without political power", and if that definition is translated to the world of film, you get a film with an audience that lacks financial influence. Cult films usually don't have enough audience support behind them to financially warrant a direct sequel (which Edge of Tomorrow did get). When they do get a sequel, it's usually after a significant portion of time has passed with hopes that the film's new cultural status would help in appealing to the general audience (The Thing "prequel", for example, or even Blade Runner 2049 itself).
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In the link I provide above, they include a list of "most popular" cult classics. Other than American Psycho (2000), all on the list are pre-new millennium films of various decades. So there is indeed representation of cult classics in multiple decades. What happened after 2000? It's 2017, are there any films where a series of articles today are calling, say for example, a "2007" or a "2003" film a cult classic? If not, what happened? Has the cult classic as traditionally perceived, gone extinct?
I think that the absence of such films in a single article isn't really enough to claim that newer films don't get to be considered for such a status. At best, you can argue that newer films' status as cult classics is not
solidified, with which I'll agree, but it's mainly a result of them being relatively new. To make my point, your question did lead me to seek out articles about recent films that, in my opinion, deserve a cult status. My original pick was A Monster Calls - a terrific film (my favorite of 2016) that didn't have audience support because it was rather obscure, and didn't get many critics to review it because it came out too late in 2016 and missed Oscar season. In one of the first articles I've seen, I found a very recent article discussing Happy Death Day's potential to become a cult classic: "Event Cinemas at Marion hosted a preview screening of the soon, sure to be cult classic slasher, Happy Death Day". The review itself mentions the films being influenced by Mean Girls (2004), which the article claims to have achieved cult status.
The A Monster Calls review with the link to Happy Death Day:
http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/7/18/film-review-a-monster-calls (http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/7/18/film-review-a-monster-calls)
The Happy Death Day review itself:
http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/10/12/film-review-happy-death-day (http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/10/12/film-review-happy-death-day)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
I must admit that I wasn't blown away by new soundtrack at cinema but now it looks like it grows on me with every day.
I'm still not really blown away. Only about 5-10 minutes of it that I really like.
But here's the licensed tracks from the film. A lot of
Blade Runner's music, fashion, hairstyles, vehicles and architecture was influenced by the 1940's and 50's whereas
2049 seems to draw heavily from the 1960's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIltgDzgvk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIltgDzgvk8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkwdkUXQ1yo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkwdkUXQ1yo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGJTaP6anOU&list=PLcI_dAIwlUcqcFvA-ZbJGt2Rup9IyR6U6&index=15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGJTaP6anOU&list=PLcI_dAIwlUcqcFvA-ZbJGt2Rup9IyR6U6&index=15)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOBOhRECoo&list=PLcI_dAIwlUcqcFvA-ZbJGt2Rup9IyR6U6&index=14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOBOhRECoo&list=PLcI_dAIwlUcqcFvA-ZbJGt2Rup9IyR6U6&index=14)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 27, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
4. Is "BR 2049" an art film? Only with its visual look.
Strip that away and the core of the story has a schlock James Bond villain with his James Bond stooge killer trying to do evil things.
- Like the most trashy James Bond films, "BR 2049" does not make sense a lot of the time.
- There is even the James Bond trope where a villain has the hero at their mercy and don't kill him!
- Put "BR 2049" under close scrutiny and in terms of the logic of the rules of its world, and character motivation and plausibility often does not made sense.
5. Compare this with "Arrival", a true science fiction art film.
"Arrival" explores free will vs determinism, choices through time.
It looks at the varied human reactions to beings which are strange, different.
That led to the art house appeal of "Arrival" over many months.
- By contrast "BR 2049" is a silly movie covered in a visually artistic shell.
There is almost no depth to it. And whatever themes are there (AI acting like a human) is done in a superficial way which has been surpassed with multiple science fiction films / TV.
I believe that some art film fans will see that.
I agree with this, although I didn't really dislike the movie. Instead of exploring some of these themes, they went for the safe, trite, Hollywood direction with "muh slavery, but look we are actually HUMANS too since, uhh, we can have babies!!"
During the scenes where people said stuff like "f**k off skinjob" to K, I legitimately felt I was watching a Neill Blomkamp movie instead of a Denis Villeneuve movie.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PM
Gasp! That was a scathing review. Some valid points, but I can't agree in entirety. The film daftly explores the meaning of what it is to be human. I love Joi. Such an amazing character, so subtly played...
The problem with the film was the lack of Vangelis. The soundtrack is devoid of melody and uninspired. Secondly, Jared Leto drives me bananas. He just played himself again, and it was awful.
The rest of the film is downright epochal. So good!
I know that the box office is no true measure of a film's worth, but it is somewhat a measure of society. And doggone it, humanity failed the test this time. I am a little disappointed with humans right now. I feel like I died a little inside knowing that this film has flopped. Maybe we're not as enlightened a species as I hoped.. :'(
Jared Leto's character was actually very disappointing for me for a different reason. The way he had been set up in that short film by Luke Scott really hyped me up, I thought he'd be a deep and intricate villain, that in exploring him we would explore themes of creation, but in the movie he's literally just a guy trying to maximize replicant production. Such wasted potential.
Anyway, I liked the movie, but God, I wish they had shot for a more ambitious plot, especially considering everything else in the movie is ambitious.
Also: Luv best girl.
Geostorm beats
2049 in China. WTF?!
QuoteIn a slow weekend for holdover news, the big news was in China. Well, the really big news is the overseas debut of Walt Disney's Thor: Ragnarok's, but we'll get to that tomorrow. Geostorm and Blade Runner 2049 went head-to-head in China on Friday, and the pulpy disaster movie easily crushed the somber sci-fi tone poem. Geostorm earned $10.1 million in its first day of release in the second-biggest moviegoing marketplace while Blade Runner 2049 earned just $2.4m on Friday. Both films underwhelmed in North America, but now only one has a shot at an overseas rescue.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/28/box-office-geostorm-destroys-blade-runner-2049-in-china/#40367aa713cf
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 28, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
In the link I provide above, they include a list of "most popular" cult classics. Other than American Psycho (2000), all on the list are pre-new millennium films of various decades. So there is indeed representation of cult classics in multiple decades. What happened after 2000? It's 2017, are there any films where a series of articles today are calling, say for example, a "2007" or a "2003" film a cult classic? If not, what happened? Has the cult classic as traditionally perceived, gone extinct?
Blade (1998) and Dredd (2012) will definitely be 'cult classics' down the road, if they're not already.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 28, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
Geostorm beats 2049 in China. WTF?!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/28/box-office-geostorm-destroys-blade-runner-2049-in-china/#40367aa713cf
China, we will always remember this travesty!
Thanks for sharing your findings, Android.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
The reason I don't personally consider that film to be a cult film has to do with the definition of "cult": The best definition I've seen to the word is "A religion without political power", and if that definition is translated to the world of film, you get a film with an audience that lacks financial influence.
I think in this case, you can't really find the definition of cult classic if you look up a singular word of a title, name, or label. That would be like trying to find the definition of "Military Intelligence" by pursuing singular definitions. You can read the definition of "military" and then read the definition of "intelligence", but would you then have a competent understanding of what Military Intelligence really is.
I like premiumbeat's definition of cult classic, it encompasses its meaning in a nutshell and clearly explains how its definition is separate from "cult following."
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
I think that the absence of such films in a single article isn't really enough to claim that newer films don't get to be considered for such a status.
I didn't explain myself well there. I didn't mean just because it's not mentioned in a singular article I'm assuming cult classic is dead. What I meant is, and a question to anyone in general, are there any new millennium films that have accrued multiple professional critics/film analysts' articles repeatedly calling the film a cult classic?
We are 17 years into the new millennium, so there's plenty of window there for retrospect themed articles to surface. I impose the criteria "multiple professional articles" because of what I mentioned earlier to buffer out that movie basement blogger who likes to throw about the label cult classic like the guy calling the dude in my example above, a genius for bringing an extra cup.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
At best, you can argue that newer films' status as cult classics is not solidified, with which I'll agree, but it's mainly a result of them being relatively new.
You make a good point and I would agree age of the film is often a factor when many films become established as a cult classic. But the age of the film is not necessarily a required factor in how a film becomes a cult classic. Films like Rocky Horror Picture Show and Spinal Tap became cult classics not long after their release. But the question here is, are those two examples a pattern?...... or an exception?...... to when a film becomes a cult classic...
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
In one of the first articles I've seen, I found a very recent article discussing Happy Death Day's potential to become a cult classic: "Event Cinemas at Marion hosted a preview screening of the soon, sure to be cult classic slasher, Happy Death Day".
That's a good example for "potential cult classic." Fortunately for the Information Age, there is more obtainable evidence whether a film has obtained cult classic status. Have the dedicated fans of that film created websites to discuss and share everything about the film while the majority of the cinema audience no longer give it attention? Other obtainable evidence would also indicate that many other films even have a "pinch" of cult classic when you see its characters showcased in cosplay at festivals/conventions.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 28, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
Geostorm beats 2049 in China. WTF?!
It is such a shame both films clash in scheduling as Asian market was a big hope for
BR to pick up some slack in gaining the revenue. I wish the film had more clear marketing and enticed the larger audience!
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 28, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 28, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
More good points. Now to clarify something I stated above regarding professional critics, I didn't mean did they call it a cult classic in their fresh review of a film just released. There would be no reason to call it a cult classic with the critic not yet knowing if the film accrued a dedicated audience. I'm talking about their retrospect themed articles, which Roger Ebert has wrote before on a list of older films, where they are more like to use the term cult classic.
Yeah, I actually got that from your post, I think I just didn't express myself clearly with my own reply. When I was talking about reviewers talking about Edge of Tomorrow's potential cult status, they did it a couple of years after the film's release - not during their initial review. They were talking about how the film underperformed, but received massive praise from the people who did see it.
The reason I don't personally consider that film to be a cult film has to do with the definition of "cult": The best definition I've seen to the word is "A religion without political power", and if that definition is translated to the world of film, you get a film with an audience that lacks financial influence. Cult films usually don't have enough audience support behind them to financially warrant a direct sequel (which Edge of Tomorrow did get). When they do get a sequel, it's usually after a significant portion of time has passed with hopes that the film's new cultural status would help in appealing to the general audience (The Thing "prequel", for example, or even Blade Runner 2049 itself).
Quote
In the link I provide above, they include a list of "most popular" cult classics. Other than American Psycho (2000), all on the list are pre-new millennium films of various decades. So there is indeed representation of cult classics in multiple decades. What happened after 2000? It's 2017, are there any films where a series of articles today are calling, say for example, a "2007" or a "2003" film a cult classic? If not, what happened? Has the cult classic as traditionally perceived, gone extinct?
I think that the absence of such films in a single article isn't really enough to claim that newer films don't get to be considered for such a status. At best, you can argue that newer films' status as cult classics is not solidified, with which I'll agree, but it's mainly a result of them being relatively new. To make my point, your question did lead me to seek out articles about recent films that, in my opinion, deserve a cult status. My original pick was A Monster Calls - a terrific film (my favorite of 2016) that didn't have audience support because it was rather obscure, and didn't get many critics to review it because it came out too late in 2016 and missed Oscar season. In one of the first articles I've seen, I found a very recent article discussing Happy Death Day's potential to become a cult classic: "Event Cinemas at Marion hosted a preview screening of the soon, sure to be cult classic slasher, Happy Death Day". The review itself mentions the films being influenced by Mean Girls (2004), which the article claims to have achieved cult status.
The A Monster Calls review with the link to Happy Death Day:
http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/7/18/film-review-a-monster-calls (http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/7/18/film-review-a-monster-calls)
The Happy Death Day review itself:
http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/10/12/film-review-happy-death-day (http://www.thisisradelaide.com.au/rad-life/2017/10/12/film-review-happy-death-day)
I think Mad Max 4 is the biggest cult classic of these days. Everyone I known adores Mad Max 4.
Personally, I think Mad Max 4 is a little overrated and maybe too simple of a plot.
I don't think you can call Fury Road a cult classic when it opened to near universal acclaim, did well at the box office, and snagged a load of Oscar nominations. That's the definition of mainstream success.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 29, 2017, 03:32:08 AM
I don't think you can call Fury Road a cult classic when it opened to near universal acclaim, did well at the box office, and snagged a load of Oscar nominations. That's the definition of mainstream success.
Fury Road and the Mad Max universe I think kind of rides the fence between cult classic and cult following, perhaps leaning more towards the latter.
I'm not claiming the premiumbeat link I provided earlier is the definitive guide to what's considered a cult classic, but their definitions are pretty straight forward. It mentions that "Cult Following" films include cinema universes like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Yes, they are mainstream and admired by most of the cinema masses, but both also have a swarm of extracurricular audience dedication - dedicated websites, conventions/festivals, recurring dedicated paper magazines, their quotes are often repeated in media (i.e. printed T-shirts) etc.
The Mad Max universe also has dedicated websites (I'm not sure about recurring paper magazines), but is it mainstream? Seems like it to me. I see Fury Road quotes often repeated on FB timelines such as "Witness!" or "Mediocre" or Schlanger!" I don't know if they have conventions. The vehicles of Mad Max also seem to be a large attraction of its dedicated audience.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PM
Gasp! That was a scathing review. Some valid points, but I can't agree in entirety.
That's fine. I can easily agree to disagree and move on.
BTW, thanks for the well thought out reply. ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMThe film daftly explores the meaning of what it is to be human.
Compared with 1982 "Blade Runner", the new part of what it means to be human in "BR 2049" was that an A.I. / digital assistant can mimic some human behavior.
This idea was explored in more depth in the movie "Her".
- The main character in "Her" falls in love with a mobile A.I. character, Samantha.
- Samantha, can imitate many human abilities. She sounds like a lover in a committed relationship.
- Samantha is also a networked advanced intelligence. She can maintain her relationship in different locations and she can simultaneously have relationships with many other people.
- So, Samantha's A.I. is kind of like a human in some ways but she can also go far beyond what a human can do.
* All these things that Samantha can do apply to the Joi character in "BR 2049".
* More than this, Samantha is an optimistic character. She is content and can explore her desires.
- That also applies to Joi.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMI love Joi. Such an amazing character, so subtly played...
It's great that you liked the Joi character.
For me Joi doesn't fit well in the world of 1982 "Blade Runner".
- Why? Because imo Joi undercuts several themes of 1982 "Blade Runner".
* 1982 "Blade Runner" is a science fiction Neo Noir. Film Noir has a pessimistic view of the world where corruption is rampant.
* With ideas from PK Dick's novel, 1982 "Blade Runner" is also a science fiction dystopia, where there is a system which manipulates everyone and which creates widespread oppression.
- And the most oppressed in 1982 "Blade Runner" are the artificially created humans, the replicants.
* The heroine, Rachel, helps Deckard to learn about the oppression of the system.
* And hero/protagonist, Deckard, eventually understands this oppression and in the end, defies it by sparing Rachel.
* With K and Joi; K is not trying to free Joi from oppression. Joi is already free. K is not trying to help Joi be happy. Joi is already happy.
** Joi in "BR 2049" is an optimistic character about A.I., which reflects on the capitalistic system in the movie and the servants they create.
- Besides the movie "Her" Joi can also be compared with Data in Star Trek The Next Generation. Data is an A.I. who is exploring what it is to be human. His creator gave him those skills. Data is an optimistic character which gives a positive view of his creator.
- That can also be applied to a certain extent to Joi.
** Looking at that, Joi is not an expansion of the slavery/freedom theme of 1982 "Blade Runner" but moves away from it.
* Joi is fine serving K as his live in girlfriend / servant.
She is not radically breaking away from her programming imo.
Joi is not a rebel.
- So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner". Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant and happy like Joi so that society will have plenty of content, disposable servants.
* A company/companies which make happy A.I. could be seen as at least neutral or even positive.
So, I could imagine that "BR 2049" isn't really a dystopia.
Some companies, like the ones who created Joi, aren't oppressive.
- The only oppressive company leader is one sociopath James Bond villain who is messing things up by brutalizing replicants.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMSecondly, Jared Leto drives me bananas. He just played himself again, and it was awful.
* Well, isn't that a huge problem?
Wallace is the central antagonist in the movie and he's written as an over the top James Bond style villain with a James Bond style killer sidekick.
- And that pushes "BR 2049" from gritty realism to super villain silliness.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMAnd doggone it, humanity failed the test this time. I am a little disappointed with humans right now. I feel like I died a little inside knowing that this film has flopped.
Popular taste (measured by box office) is what it is with "Avatar" at the top.
As for the box office performance of "BR 2049" what it needed was a much lower production budget down to about $100 million.
Frankly, there was CGI in the movie which imo could have been taken out without seriously harming the central story, themes and mood of the film.
With specifics in the film I can't speak for anyone but myself.
Imo the problems you found could greatly harm the film experience and what you thought was a great character in the movie to me really didn't fit that well in the world/themes of the original "Blade Runner".
* Anyway, glad you liked "BR 2049" a lot. (I gave it a fairly positive 7/10 rating on IMDb because BR 2049" is a visually stunning film.)
In no way am I trying to change your mind.
I'm just sharing.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Oct 29, 2017, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PM
Gasp! That was a scathing review. Some valid points, but I can't agree in entirety.
That's fine. I can easily agree to disagree and move on.
BTW, thanks for the well thought out reply. ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMThe film daftly explores the meaning of what it is to be human.
Compared with 1982 "Blade Runner", the new part of what it means to be human in "BR 2049" was that an A.I. / digital assistant can mimic some human behavior.
This idea was explored in more depth in the movie "Her".
- The main character in "Her" falls in love with a mobile A.I. character, Samantha.
- Samantha, can imitate many human abilities. She sounds like a lover in a committed relationship.
- Samantha is also a networked advanced intelligence. She can maintain her relationship in different locations and she can simultaneously have relationships with many other people.
- So, Samantha's A.I. is kind of like a human in some ways but she can also go far beyond what a human can do.
* All these things that Samantha can do apply to the Joi character in "BR 2049".
* More than this, Samantha is an optimistic character. She is content and can explore her desires.
- That also applies to Joi.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMI love Joi. Such an amazing character, so subtly played...
It's great that you liked the Joi character.
For me Joi doesn't fit well in the world of 1982 "Blade Runner".
- Why? Because imo Joi undercuts several themes of 1982 "Blade Runner".
* 1982 "Blade Runner" is a science fiction Neo Noir. Film Noir has a pessimistic view of the world where corruption is rampant. "Chinatown" is a great example of a Neo Noir.
* With ideas from PK Dick's novel, 1982 "Blade Runner" is also a science fiction dystopia, where there is a system which manipulates everyone and which creates widespread oppression.
- And the most oppressed in 1982 "Blade Runner" are the artificially created humans, the replicants.
* The heroine, Rachel, helps Deckard to learn about the oppression of the system.
* And hero/protagonist, Deckard, eventually understands this oppression and in the end, defies it by sparing Rachel.
* With K and Joi; K is not trying to free Joi from oppression. Joi is already free. K is not trying to help Joi be happy. Joi is already happy.
** Joi in "BR 2049" is an optimistic character about A.I., which reflects on the capitalistic system in the movie and the servants they create.
- Besides the movie "Her" Joi can also be compared with Data in Star Trek The Next Generation. Data is an A.I. who is exploring what it is to be human. His creator gave him those skills. Data is an optimistic character which gives a positive view of his creator.
- That can also be applied to a certain extent to Joi.
** Looking at that, Joi is not an expansion of the slavery/freedom theme of 1982 "Blade Runner" but moves away from it.
* Joi is fine serving K as his live in girlfriend / servant.
She is not radically breaking away from her programming imo.
Joi is not a rebel.
- So, the Joi character has an answer to the slavery theme from 1982 "Blade Runner". Just make the A.I. in replicants / robots / digital assistants, compliant and happy like Joi so that society will have plenty of content, disposable servants.
* A company/companies which make happy A.I. could be seen as at least neutral or even positive.
So, I could imagine that "BR 2049" isn't really a dystopia.
Some companies, like the ones who created Joi, aren't oppressive.
- The only oppressive company leader is one sociopath James Bond villain who is messing things up by brutalizing replicants.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMSecondly, Jared Leto drives me bananas. He just played himself again, and it was awful.
* Well, isn't that a huge problem?
Wallace is the central antagonist in the movie and he's written as an over the top James Bond style villain with a James Bond style killer sidekick.
- And that pushes "BR 2049" from gritty realism to super villain silliness.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 27, 2017, 11:48:56 PMAnd doggone it, humanity failed the test this time. I am a little disappointed with humans right now. I feel like I died a little inside knowing that this film has flopped.
Popular taste (measured by box office) is what it is with "Avatar" at the top.
With specifics I can't speak for anyone but myself.
Imo the problems you found could greatly harm the film experience and what you thought was a great character in the movie to me really didn't fit that well in the world/themes of the original "Blade Runner".
* Anyway, glad you liked "BR 2049" a lot. (I gave it a fairly positive 7/10 rating on IMDb because BR 2049" is a visually stunning film.)
In no way am I trying to change your mind.
I'm just sharing.
;)
I agree 100%. I gave Blade Runner 2049 a 7/10 too.
2049 is a very good movie but nothing more. It's not groundbreaking or visionary like the original Blade Runner.
The movie needed to be more like Covenant tbh. Make Niander Wallace a more dynamic character.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 29, 2017, 07:20:10 PM
The movie needed to be more like Covenant tbh. Make Niander Wallace a more dynamic character.
Niander Wallace is a nothing character. Jared Leto is a huge fan of the original Blade Runner so he accepted anything.
Like James Franco. Franco is a huge fan of Ridley Scott so he accepted that cameo.
The last thing it needed was to be like Covenant.
QuoteAlas, Blade Runner 2049 performed terribly in China, earning just $7.6 million over the weekend. The Sony/Alcon release has earned $81.3m in North America courtesy of Warner Bros,/Time Warner Inc. And now, with a $16.6m overseas weekend, it has earned $223.5m worldwide with $250m now all-but-impossible even with a solid $2.7m debut in Japan. Again, if this film had cost maybe half that $150m budget, this would be a solid figure for a 2.75-hour, R-rated, adult-skewing sci-fi tone poem.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/29/box-office-blade-runner-2049-tops-200m-it-passes-666m-global/#255349e542da
260 millions is very likely. I was way too much optimistic. I previously predicted 400+ :) Well, shit happens.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 29, 2017, 08:51:55 PM
The last thing it needed was to be like Covenant.
Ain't that the truth.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 29, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
QuoteAlas, Blade Runner 2049 performed terribly in China, earning just $7.6 million over the weekend. The Sony/Alcon release has earned $81.3m in North America courtesy of Warner Bros,/Time Warner Inc. And now, with a $16.6m overseas weekend, it has earned $223.5m worldwide with $250m now all-but-impossible even with a solid $2.7m debut in Japan. Again, if this film had cost maybe half that $150m budget, this would be a solid figure for a 2.75-hour, R-rated, adult-skewing sci-fi tone poem.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/29/box-office-blade-runner-2049-tops-200m-it-passes-666m-global/#255349e542da
260 millions is very likely. I was way too much optimistic. I previously predicted 400+ :) Well, shit happens.
For once, I was right. 250 for 2049. Way worse than the flop Alien: Covenant.
Covenant didn't flop.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2017, 10:20:58 PM
Covenant didn't flop.
OK man. 2049 was a huge flop.
The way it's going it might get up to $250m with China and Japan.
Pretty disappointing but I'm not sure that would conform to your predictable hyperbole.
Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2017, 11:08:01 PM
The way it's going it might get up to $250m with China and Japan.
Pretty disappointing but I'm not sure that would conform to your predictable hyperbole.
250 against 250(150 was Budget plus 100 for Marketing). Man, that is a flop.
Depends on the marketing costs. Which we'll likely never find out. I don't imagine it was cheap.
Quote from: PierreVW on Oct 29, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
For once, I was right. 250 for 2049. Way worse than the flop Alien: Covenant.
Why do you keep comparing its box office to
Covenant? Do you feel better because it's made less than Sir Ridley Scott movie?
I wonder if Ridley had made it would it have made more money? Denis hasn't had a big hit and isn't a big name director like Ridley.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 30, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
I wonder if Ridley had made it would it have made more money? Denis hasn't had a big hit and isn't a big name director like Ridley.
There's nothing wrong with the direction.
And for "big name" director, RS sure does churn out a lot of crap. He's no guarantee of success.
You have seen Covenant, right? ;D
New Adam Savage video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4)
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 30, 2017, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 30, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
I wonder if Ridley had made it would it have made more money? Denis hasn't had a big hit and isn't a big name director like Ridley.
There's nothing wrong with the direction.
And for "big name" director, RS sure does churn out a lot of crap. He's no guarantee of success.
You have seen Covenant, right? ;D
I'm now confident in saying that Scott would have made a worse film.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Oct 30, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 30, 2017, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 30, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
I wonder if Ridley had made it would it have made more money? Denis hasn't had a big hit and isn't a big name director like Ridley.
There's nothing wrong with the direction.
And for "big name" director, RS sure does churn out a lot of crap. He's no guarantee of success.
You have seen Covenant, right? ;D
I'm now confident in saying that Scott would have made a worse film.
I disagree. But it would be a different movie. 2049 was very slow and without action. That's why mainstream killed it.
Ridley is more modern so maybe his 2049 version would be a lot more shorter and faster.
180 million dollar budget and they
couldnt afford good dialogue or characters on the level of the original.
They could afford Jared Leto, tho.
Welp.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 30, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
180 million dollar budget and they
couldnt afford good dialogue or characters on the level of the original.
They could afford Jared Leto, tho.
Welp.
Apparently, Harrison Ford said "it's the best script he ever read".
Well, Ford has very weird taste.
He must have liked being an actual actor after such a long time.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 30, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
I wonder if Ridley had made it would it have made more money? Denis hasn't had a big hit and isn't a big name director like Ridley.
Arrival got near universal praise and made over $200m on a $47m budget.
200m is chump change in hollywood.
Editor of
2049 Joe Walker:
QuoteThe first assembly of the film was nearly four hours and for convenience sake and – to be honest – my bladder's sake, we broke it into two for viewings. That break revealed something about the story – it's in two halves. There's K discovering his true past as he sees it and at the halfway mark he kind of loses his virginity. (laughs) The next morning, it's a different story, about meeting your maker and ultimately sacrifice – "dying is the most human thing we do". Oddly enough both halves start with eyes opening. There's the giant eye opening at the beginning of the film and the second when Mariette wakes up and sneaks around K's apartment, the beginning of the 1st assembly part 2. We toyed with giving titles to each half but quickly dropped that. But what does remain is that there's something of a waking dream about the film. That's a very deliberate choice in terms of visuals but also the kind of pace they were striving for on set and the hallucinatory feel in the cut – it's the kind of dream where you tread inexorably closer to the truth.
Full interview (great read) here: https://www.provideocoalition.com/AOTC-Bladerunner-2049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 30, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
Editor of 2049 Joe Walker:
QuoteThe first assembly of the film was nearly four hours and for convenience sake and – to be honest – my bladder's sake, we broke it into two for viewings. That break revealed something about the story – it's in two halves. There's K discovering his true past as he sees it and at the halfway mark he kind of loses his virginity. (laughs) The next morning, it's a different story, about meeting your maker and ultimately sacrifice – "dying is the most human thing we do". Oddly enough both halves start with eyes opening. There's the giant eye opening at the beginning of the film and the second when Mariette wakes up and sneaks around K's apartment, the beginning of the 1st assembly part 2. We toyed with giving titles to each half but quickly dropped that. But what does remain is that there's something of a waking dream about the film. That's a very deliberate choice in terms of visuals but also the kind of pace they were striving for on set and the hallucinatory feel in the cut – it's the kind of dream where you tread inexorably closer to the truth.
Full interview (great read) here: https://www.provideocoalition.com/AOTC-Bladerunner-2049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAk0CObPE4)
Interesting. Still, I think it was too long. 2 hour 45 minute is too much for this type. They could make something better with 30 minutes less.
@Ingwar
I think BR 2049 should have been either cut drastically to diminish the Joi story, because my feeling is that it isn't integrated that well into the rest of the story (I'm trying to be objective here), OR (my personal preference) extended radically so the Joi angle could be explored more deeply and with better connections to the main plot.
As a super long version, maybe it could even have been released like Kill Bill 1 and Kill Bill 2. (Although I have to admit at the time I hated Tarantino's decision to release the film that way. But looking back retrospectively it's no problem at all; it's just one long film).
Of course, a 4 hour story would really have been stretching Alcon's generosity for the cause of art.
TC
The Joi story is the best part of the movie.
More from interview with Joe...
Anyone hoping we'll get to see the four-hour version of "Blade Runner 2049" will surely be disappointed. While Ridley Scott's original is famous for having numerous different cuts, Villeneuve has called the film's 163-minute theatrical version his directorial cut, and that's the only version of "2049" we'll ever see. Walker echoed Villeneuve's sentiments, saying neither of them enjoy deleted scenes on Blu-rays and that the finished film is the definitive film.
Message to Ridley: do your storytelling in the cinema, not in virals and in bluray extras!
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Message to Ridley: do your storytelling in the cinema, not in virals and in bluray extras!
Boom. Hammer. Nail. Head.
Ridley does that in 90% of his movies. The only time he doesn't is when studios mandate massive changes -- Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven -- or drive a dumptruck full of money up to his house -- Alien.
I would watch an extended version for sure. For me, the film flew by. It was my cup of tea.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 31, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
I would watch an extended version for sure. For me, the film flew by. It was my cup of tea.
Totally. There's not a shot that's wasted in my view.
I've been plenty bored watching much shorter movies, that's for sure.
I love the movie as is, but I wouldn't mind seeing the deleted scenes.
The film did a good job of not being boring for almost three hours to be honest. Just wish the script wasn't so Neill-Blomkamp-esque.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tig_0iN0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tig_0iN0Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkFncZG3yE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkFncZG3yE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGu7f1jJhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGu7f1jJhY)
https://twitter.com/MAngel_Arqto/status/923308046314627073 (https://twitter.com/MAngel_Arqto/status/923308046314627073)
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/924126866583183360 (https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/924126866583183360)
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 31, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
The film did a good job of not being boring for almost three hours to be honest. Just wish the script wasn't so Neill-Blomkamp-esque.
Yes, the script.
- In Blomkamp's "Elysium", the story is very cliched with an over the top villain played by Sharlto Copley.
- With "BR 2049" the story overall is less cliched but that over the top villain problem (Wallace played by Leto) rears its ugly head.
Everything that the over the top Wallace and his killer sidekick are involved with is very cliched and imo is ridiculous for a science fiction movie in the gritty world of 1982 "Blade Runner".
For a better effort using the basic concepts from 1982 "Blade Runner" I recommend watching the first season of the recent TV series "Westworld".
;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2017, 07:29:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tig_0iN0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tig_0iN0Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkFncZG3yE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkFncZG3yE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGu7f1jJhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGu7f1jJhY)
https://twitter.com/MAngel_Arqto/status/923308046314627073 (https://twitter.com/MAngel_Arqto/status/923308046314627073)
https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/924126866583183360 (https://twitter.com/weier1231997/status/924126866583183360)
They eliminated the sex scene too. This people are crazy. So, the movie was R rated in the USA and it was a PG movie for kids in China? WTF....
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 03, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
[For a better effort using the basic concepts from 1982 "Blade Runner" I recommend watching the first season of the recent TV series "Westworld".
Yuck. I found Westworld so boring. The storytelling felt far too contrived IMHO.
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 03, 2017, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 03, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
[For a better effort using the basic concepts from 1982 "Blade Runner" I recommend watching the first season of the recent TV series "Westworld".
Yuck. I found Westworld so boring. The storytelling felt far too contrived IMHO.
I agree.
But Anthony Hopkins was wonderful like always.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 03, 2017, 03:26:34 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 03, 2017, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 03, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
[For a better effort using the basic concepts from 1982 "Blade Runner" I recommend watching the first season of the recent TV series "Westworld".
Yuck. I found Westworld so boring. The storytelling felt far too contrived IMHO.
I agree.
But Anthony Hopkins was wonderful like always.
I have to agree. I watched the first episode and thought it kinda sucked tbh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLxxbfsj8IM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLxxbfsj8IM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMsBtOPMeIw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMsBtOPMeIw)
Blade Runner 2049 lose 80 Million USD and is the biggest flop of 2017:
https://movieweb.com/blade-runner-2049-box-office-bomb-losing-80-million-dollars/
All the more for me. Or something.
With this official huge flop, The Blade Runner Franchise is OFFICIALLY DEAD!.
Still one of the best films of the year.
I'm still astounded they gave the film the money they did. Bad business move but they gave us a gift.
Deakins is a sure hit for best cinematography and Villenueve will be in with a shout for best director.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 10, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
With this official huge flop, The Blade Runner Franchise is OFFICIALLY DEAD!.
The Blade Runner franchise has been dead since the first film.
You can't expect the film bring in hundreds of mills with that awful cheap looking uninviting poster. Like with Covenant, the marketing was woeful. The shorts were were meh and did not represent the films actual quality. Ok, Black Out was good and i applaud it, but cool niche Japanese animation like that is not going to bring in any numbers. If you going to do viral, you need the material to be exceptional or at least on par with the film, otherwise it will do more harm then good, even if the material gets views on youtube. Cloverfield or Blair Witch Project did it right. Both BR 2049 and Covenant failed in that regard big time imo. But Covenant was bad so the marketing actually mirrored the quality of the movie ;D
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 10, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Still one of the best films of the year.
I'm still astounded they gave the film the money they did. Bad business move but they gave us a gift.
Deakins is a sure hit for best cinematography and Villenueve will be in with a shout for best director.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 10, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
With this official huge flop, The Blade Runner Franchise is OFFICIALLY DEAD!.
The Blade Runner franchise has been dead since the first film.
I known. But the crazy producers were hoping for sequels and a TV series.
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
You can't expect the film bring in hundreds of mills with that awful cheap looking uninviting poster. Like with Covenant, the marketing was woeful. The shorts were were meh and did not represent the films actual quality. Ok, Black Out was good and i applaud it, but cool niche Japanese animation like that is not going to bring in any numbers. If you going to do viral, you need the material to be exceptional or at least on par with the film, otherwise it will do more harm then good, even if the material gets views on youtube. Cloverfield or Blair Witch Project did it right. Both BR 2049 and Covenant failed in that regard big time imo. But Covenant was bad so the marketing actually mirrored the quality of the movie ;D
Nexus Dawn was actually better than the film in terms of quality/length ratio.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Nov 04, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 03, 2017, 03:26:34 PM
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 03, 2017, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 03, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
[For a better effort using the basic concepts from 1982 "Blade Runner" I recommend watching the first season of the recent TV series "Westworld".
Yuck. I found Westworld so boring. The storytelling felt far too contrived IMHO.
I agree.
But Anthony Hopkins was wonderful like always.
I have to agree. I watched the first episode and thought it kinda sucked tbh.
That's cool. Personal taste and all that.
Imo "WW" properly followed up on the 1982 "Blade Runner" themes.
But that's just me.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 10, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 10, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
With this official huge flop, The Blade Runner Franchise is OFFICIALLY DEAD!.
The Blade Runner franchise has been dead since the first film.
I disagree. "Blade Runner: 2049" had a chance to get a sequel and start a TV series.
- The problem is simple; the film cost way too much money. The production budget should have been below $100 million.
Cut out a lot of the 'world building' like the Vegas, San Diego CGI; the number of flying cars ('spinners').
Make "2049" a cheaper, less flashy, more gritty noir and I think the box office would have worked for a sequel/TV series.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 10, 2017, 06:15:19 PMI know. But the crazy producers were hoping for sequels and a TV series.
* I already mentioned the "Westworld" TV series above. That was based on an old, neglected franchise.
The ratings for the "WW" series were good and another season has been approved; meaning, HBO got its money's worth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld_(TV_series)#Ratings
- So, an old franchise can be successfully revived but one key to do that is to keep costs down.
That wasn't done with "BR 2049".
;)
Westworld season 1 cost a $100m. It was done on the cheap at all.
2049's problem stem from a bad marketing campaign and audience taste. Was there ever the audience to repay the money that was spent? Probably not.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 11, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
Was there ever the audience to repay the money that was spent? Probably not.
This pretty much. With an 8.5 average on imdb it think this film is executed close to perfection. Cut it down to two hours and you lose whats making this film really outstanding for me: the fantastic immersive atmosphere. In that regard its even better than the original for me.
Some of the longer scenes (almost) gave me a 2001 vibe
Spoiler
K finding the horse
Right now i cant think of any movie that was able to provide this type of atmospheric tension to me. Certainly not in recent past.
So all in all f*** general audience. I got the film i want, THANK YOU MR. VILLENEUVE! This certainly wasnt a career move.
edit: Well the starting scene of 'There Will Be Blood' comes to mind.
Quote from: kwisatz on Nov 11, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 11, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
Was there ever the audience to repay the money that was spent? Probably not.
This pretty much. With an 8.5 average on imdb it think this film is executed close to perfection. Cut it down to two hour something and you lose whats making this film really outstanding for me: the fantastic immersive atmosphere. In that regard its even better than the original for me.
Some of the longer scenes (almost) gave me a 2001 vibe Spoiler
K finding the horse
Right now i cant think of any movie that was able to provide this type of atmospheric tension to me. Certainly not in recent past.
I disagree. I prefer an ideally shorter version. It could made with less money too. 155 Million USD is too much money for a small cult film.
About atmospheric tension in recent years? I think Mad Max 4 was very tense. Gravity too.
I dont really like it, but 'Gravity' is tense i give you that.
Still its definitely not immersive in my mind. For immersive you need time. In this regard these shorter approaches can never play in the same league as 2001 (they dont really want to, either).
Its a bit like will Malicks longer flicks. As hfeldhaus says, there really isnt the audience for this type of film.
Still if we are lucky, from time time a high budget film of this sort pops up.
Of ourse you can do these type of films for a shorter budget (The Assasination of Jesse James (...)), but this wasnt really the option here due to the whole scifi setting.
But again a shorter film with a different narrative mightve even be closer to the original. But me i really like that DV decided to not follow the formula set by Ridleys masterpiece. It was bold, it failed financially, its still one of my favourite films in recent times.
edit: As im writing this "The Revenant" comes to my mind which was quite successful if im right. But i think this one benefits heavily from a more straightforward, action packed narrative, plus it had Leo. Then again it actually provided a great immersive atmosphere with its cinematography, soundtrack and length, i really liked it.
Quote from: kwisatz on Nov 11, 2017, 05:32:10 PM
I dont really like it, but 'Gravity' is tense i give you that.
Still its definitely not immersive in my mind. For immersive you need time. In this regard these shorter approaches can never play in the same league as 2001 (they dont really want to, either).
Its a bit like will Malicks longer flicks. As hfeldhaus says, there really isnt the audience for this type of film.
Still if we are lucky, from time time a high budget film of this sort pops up.
Of ourse you can do these type of films for a shorter budget (The Assasination of Jesse James (...)), but this wasnt really the option here due to the whole scifi setting.
But again a shorter film with a different narrative mightve even be closer to the original. But me i really like that DV decided to not follow the formula set by Ridleys masterpiece. It was bold, it failed financially, its still one of my favourite films in recent times.
edit: As im writing this "The Revenant" comes to my mind which was quite successful if im right. But i think this one benefits heavily from a more straightforward, action packed narrative, plus it had Leo. Then again it actually provided a great immersive atmosphere with its cinematography, soundtrack and length, i really liked it.
Interesting because The Revenant felt like a Terrence Malick film or copy. The Revenant had the same D.P. Emmanuel Lubezki. Lubezki worked in 5 movies with Director Malick.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 09, 2017, 08:31:08 PM
Blade Runner 2049 lose 80 Million USD and is the biggest flop of 2017:
https://movieweb.com/blade-runner-2049-box-office-bomb-losing-80-million-dollars/
Aren't the Academy Awards more lenient towards flops anyway?
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 11, 2017, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 09, 2017, 08:31:08 PM
Blade Runner 2049 lose 80 Million USD and is the biggest flop of 2017:
https://movieweb.com/blade-runner-2049-box-office-bomb-losing-80-million-dollars/
Aren't the Academy Awards more lenient towards flops anyway?
Man it'll be sweet if this 'flop' bags a fistful of oscars. Pearls before swine.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 11, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 11, 2017, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 09, 2017, 08:31:08 PM
Blade Runner 2049 lose 80 Million USD and is the biggest flop of 2017:
https://movieweb.com/blade-runner-2049-box-office-bomb-losing-80-million-dollars/
Aren't the Academy Awards more lenient towards flops anyway?
Man it'll be sweet if this 'flop' bags a fistful of oscars. Pearls before swine.
Very few Sci-Fis won Oscars. And we are talking real game-changers: Star Wars(1977), etc....
Lots of them win for effects and design.
I'm betting 2049 will get best sound design, and hopefully Deakins will finally get his oscar.
And I really think Gosling deserves a nomination.
Best Film nomination too
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 11, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
Westworld season 1 cost a $100m. It was done on the cheap at all.
OK, I'll be very specific.
- I wrote;
"The production budget should have been below $100 million." $99 million would have fit that statement by me.
The $100 million budget for "Westworld" is about what I believe the production budget should have been for "BR 2049".
- The production budget for "BR 2049" was $150 million; much bigger than the budget for "Westworld".
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 11, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
2049's problem stem from a bad marketing campaign ...
There was lots of buzz for "BR 2049". The problem was not the marketing campaign. It was as I wrote, the budget for this kind of movie was too expensive.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Nov 11, 2017, 06:36:07 AM2049's problem stem from ... audience taste. Was there ever the audience to repay the money that was spent? Probably not.
And that supports the main point in my previous post.
- The production budget for a movie needs to fit the estimated size of the paid audience; (box office).
- The $150 million production budget for "BR 2049" was way too high for the expected box office for this kind of film.
"BR 2049" is a serious, artsy science fiction movie and that genre usually does not produce big box office hits. (See "Sunshine" or "Children of Men".)
Denis Villeneuve and other directors aren't Nolan, (production budget, "Interstellar", $165 million & "Inception" $160 million).
- The budget of a serious, artsy science fiction film like "BR 2049" should be in the $100 million range and even better, a bit below that.
* Back to the $100 million budget for season 1 of "Westworld" (which worked since there will be a season 2);
- If "BR 2049" had a $100 million production budget, (with an estimated final box office of about $260 million), it would not be a flop. And with that performance, there could have been talk of a sequel/TV series.
;)
Aye, it's Adam again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsy7P48EL2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsy7P48EL2o)
I always really enjoy these videos, I wonder how many more of them he has.
Blade Runner 2049 - (Reconstructed Audio Pt.1)
I mixed audio samples from both "Blade Runner" (1982), and "Blade Runner 2049" (2017) to create a short and layered soundscape of the city. (Read Below For More Info):
FYI: The engine noises from "BR 2039" were from a monaural audio source that I had to remix in stereo. This was a little time consuming, but I had fun trying to emulate a stereo surround effect.
Details:
1. (0:00 - 0:08): Audio sample from a scene in the workprint edition of the 1982 movie... Sound levels have been increased in this sample to just be audible when overlayed over the new film. (Note: The woman speaking sounds like Sigourney Weaver).
2. (0:07): Mixed stereo engine sample.
3. (0:12): Dissolves to a separate scene with a spinner vehicle, and more added engine samples (in stereo).
4. (0:18): Subtle sounds of a woman singing from the 1982 workprint edition.
5. (0:16 - 0:32) Random sounds of the city from both films. (The shot of the girl has audio from "BR 2049", but it is from another part and sounds completely different than in the film.
(Work In Progress). The media I edited is owned by:
© Warner Bros. Entertainment
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I made a similar video that was a parody showing Ryan Gosling looking for a replicant Jonesy the cat from "Alien". Although being only 1:20 long - it got removed by Warner Bros. (The good news is the strike is resolved and that one of the executives had wrote that I could reupload the video once the DVD / Blu-Ray is released).
As proof of concept, I'll leave the broken video on one of my threads with the description. (Last Edited: Oct 22, 2017, 06:45:08 AM).
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59024.0
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I love cryptic posts that turn the forum into pages from a serial killer's diary.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 17, 2017, 11:42:35 PM
I love cryptic posts that turn the forum into pages from a serial killer's diary.
To be fair, that's true of all forums. Lord help us all if the internet gains sentience.
sorry to bring you the bad news, Kira.. but you guys are under President 4Chan.
Quote"I'm still digesting it," told Yahoo Entertainment during a Facebook Live interview. "We had the best [critics' reviews]. I've never had a movie welcomed like that. At the same time the box office in the United States was a disappointment, that's true, because those movies are expensive. It will still make tons of money, but not enough."
"I think because maybe people were not familiar enough with the universe. And the fact that the movie's long [its run time is 2 hours, 44 minutes]. I don't know. It's still a mystery to me. I make movies — I don't sell them," Villeneuve continued.
https://theplaylist.net/denis-villeneuve-dune-blade-runner-2049-20171116/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 19, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
Quote"I'm still digesting it," told Yahoo Entertainment during a Facebook Live interview. "We had the best [critics' reviews]. I've never had a movie welcomed like that. At the same time the box office in the United States was a disappointment, that's true, because those movies are expensive. It will still make tons of money, but not enough."
"I think because maybe people were not familiar enough with the universe. And the fact that the movie's long [its run time is 2 hours, 44 minutes]. I don't know. It's still a mystery to me. I make movies — I don't sell them," Villeneuve continued.
https://theplaylist.net/denis-villeneuve-dune-blade-runner-2049-20171116/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Maybe sounds drastic but A-List Directors make movies and sell them: Ridley, Spielberg, Cameron, Bay, Nolan, etc....
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 19, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
Quote"I'm still digesting it," told Yahoo Entertainment during a Facebook Live interview. "We had the best [critics' reviews]. I've never had a movie welcomed like that. At the same time the box office in the United States was a disappointment, that's true, because those movies are expensive. It will still make tons of money, but not enough."
"I think because maybe people were not familiar enough with the universe. And the fact that the movie's long [its run time is 2 hours, 44 minutes]. I don't know. It's still a mystery to me. I make movies — I don't sell them," Villeneuve continued.
https://theplaylist.net/denis-villeneuve-dune-blade-runner-2049-20171116/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
It's a mystery for Denis but not imo.
* Want to make a box office success with a film which stretches out the story and runs 2 3/4 hours?
- Make it cheaper.
Villeneuve's "Arrival" cost $47 million and because of that it was a hit with less box office than "BR 2049".
* Not being familiar with the Blade Runner universe is fine if the costs are low enough.
The "Westworld" TV series cost about $100 million. "BR 2049" would have done OK with that production budget cost.
The production budgets for "Deadpool" cost $58 million and "Alien Covenant" cost $97 million. That should have been the budget target range for "BR 2049".
- How to get the "BR 2049" cost down? Do not do the CGI Elvis, Marilyn and Sinatra. Cut down on CGI shots of San Diego and the number of flying police vehicles (Spinners) and so on. Chop down the CGI costs until the budget is right.
;)
It was a sequel nobody really asked for to a movie that wasn't well received to begin with that only ever found popularity and fame within a single genre's audience.
That's why nobody went to see it.
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
- Make it cheaper.
* Not being familiar with the Blade Runner universe is fine if the costs are low enough.
The "Westworld" TV series cost about $100 million. "BR 2049" would have done OK with that production budget cost.
The production budgets for "Deadpool" cost $58 million and "Alien Covenant" cost $97 million. That should have been the budget target range for "BR 2049".
I understand the point you're making, but it's not often you see a fan actually suggesting a film's budget should be less.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2017, 02:38:10 AM
It was a sequel nobody really asked for to a movie that wasn't well received to begin with that only ever found popularity and fame within a single genre's audience.
That's why nobody went to see it.
250 millions at box office for 163 minutes R-rated slow burn Sci-Fi that nobody really asked for is quite impressive achievement.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 20, 2017, 12:19:41 AM
Maybe sounds drastic but A-List Directors make movies and sell them: Ridley, Spielberg, Cameron, Bay, Nolan, etc....
Because they are producers as well. Denis didn't produce
BR2049.
Such a shame that the spoiler free marketing is being blamed for the film's lower-than-hoped-for box office. I wish far more movies would adopt this approach.
As for BR 2049 flopping... Not for the first time the money-men misread the market. Oh well. Thank god the movie didn't suck.
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 20, 2017, 12:06:47 PM
Such a shame that the spoiler free marketing is being blamed for the film's lower-than-hoped-for box office. I wish far more movies would adopt this approach.
Is there really anyone other than John Campea who blames the spoiler-free marketing for the failure of Blade Runner 2049? I haven't seen anyone else mention it, and the marketing was what personally sold me on the film. Before it I wasn't even gonna bother, thinking it'll just be another nostalgia bait cash grab film. Only after seeing the trailer and learning that Denis Villeneuve is the director did I start getting excited over it.
The lack of plot details as a trailer flaw always seemed like an odd argument to me. If you wanted to know more about Blade Runner 2049 and its world, wouldn't you simply watch the previous film? It's easily available and would provide more information than any trailer. If you didn't want to know more about Blade Runner 2049 and its world, why would you care if that information is or isn't in the trailer?
Personally, I'd say that even the information the trailer did reveal was too much. I think that not revealing Deckard would've made for a much more powerful scene when watching the actual film.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 20, 2017, 03:54:09 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
- Make it cheaper.
* Not being familiar with the Blade Runner universe is fine if the costs are low enough.
The "Westworld" TV series cost about $100 million. "BR 2049" would have done OK with that production budget cost.
The production budgets for "Deadpool" cost $58 million and "Alien Covenant" cost $97 million. That should have been the budget target range for "BR 2049".
I understand the point you're making, but it's not often you see a fan actually suggesting a film's budget should be less.
I agree with you that my suggestion is unusual.
But I have several reasons for saying the production budget for "BR 2049" should have been lower.
- I saw 1982 "Blade Runner" in a theater. The Director's/Final Cut is my favorite science fiction film. I very much wanted the franchise to continue after "BR 2049".
- I liked Denis Villeneuve's "Arrival". It was my favorite movie in 2016. I wanted his new movie to be successful.
* I think my suggestion of getting the production budget for "BR 2049" down to $100 million or less would have worked.
Imo there was lots of flashy CGI in the film which could have been cut out without hurting the core of the movie.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
I agree with you that my suggestion is unusual.
But I have several reasons for saying the production budget for "BR 2049" should have been lower.
- I saw 1982 "Blade Runner" in a theater. The Director's/Final Cut is my favorite science fiction film. I very much wanted the franchise to continue after "BR 2049".
- I liked Denis Villeneuve's "Arrival". It was my favorite movie in 2016. I wanted his new movie to be successful.
* I think my suggestion of getting the production budget for "BR 2049" down to $100 million or less would have worked.
Imo there was lots of flashy CGI in the film which could have been cut out without hurting the core of the movie.
;)
You should jump on a plane to Hollywood, mate. I'm sure DV would be fascinated by your insight into how you can make his films better. ::)
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
I agree with you that my suggestion is unusual. But I have several reasons for saying the production budget for "BR 2049" should have been lower.
- I saw 1982 "Blade Runner" in a theater. The Director's/Final Cut is my favorite science fiction film. I very much wanted the franchise to continue after "BR 2049".
Same here, saw on first run in 82. Those were 'ignorance is bliss' days. No internet to speak of, I didn't bother with reviews, I had no idea what the budget was back then, made no attempts to follow its box performance. I simply walked away with a mesmerizing experience. That "shroud" lasted for years. It wasn't until the Information Age I read anything about it having a poor box office performance and some negative reviews.
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
- I liked Denis Villeneuve's "Arrival". It was my favorite movie in 2016. I wanted his new movie to be successful.
I've lost count how many times I've replayed Arrival. Still yet to tire of it.
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 20, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
* I think my suggestion of getting the production budget for "BR 2049" down to $100 million or less would have worked.
Imo there was lots of flashy CGI in the film which could have been cut out without hurting the core of the movie.
Don't know anything about its flashy CGI, haven't seen it yet. Maybe I shouldn't be reading these threads, but spoilers have never been all that big an issue with me.
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
250 millions at box office for 163 minutes R-rated slow burn Sci-Fi that nobody really asked for is quite impressive achievement.
Absolutely, which is why it's really dumb they spent so much money on it.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
250 millions at box office for 163 minutes R-rated slow burn Sci-Fi that nobody really asked for is quite impressive achievement.
Absolutely, which is why it's really dumb they spent so much money on it.
Maybe they couldn't spend less to accomplish such quality? Its production design and visuals are masterful. Plus, we don't know how much money Ford got. He ain't cheap.
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 20, 2017, 10:02:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
250 millions at box office for 163 minutes R-rated slow burn Sci-Fi that nobody really asked for is quite impressive achievement.
Absolutely, which is why it's really dumb they spent so much money on it.
Maybe they couldn't spend less to accomplish such quality? Its production design and visuals are masterful. Plus, we don't know how much money Ford got. He ain't cheap.
Ford got 10 million i do believe he mention it in a interview....he said he got paid 10 million to be in 1/3 of the movie.
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Quote from: N-Shifter on Nov 20, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Classic?. No. I still think Blade Runner 2049 is a very good movie but nothing more. It's not a masterpiece. For example: the music in this sequel sucked.
Quote from: N-Shifter on Nov 20, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Exactly right. This film had a
very slim chance of even justifying its own existence, and yet lo and behold, it turned out fantastic. If Johnny Popcorn didn't go see it, that's fine with me. And if they don't get to work on a new sequel catering to him specifically, even better.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 20, 2017, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on Nov 20, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Exactly right. This film had a very slim chance of even justifying its own existence, and yet lo and behold, it turned out fantastic. If Johnny Popcorn didn't go see it, that's fine with me. And if they don't get to work on a new sequel catering to him specifically, even better.
I'd say the generic Hollywood slave-rebellion script already catered to mr. Popcorn. Normies just didn't go see it anyway. Good movie with a disappointing script overall.
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/933203085874176002 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/933203085874176002)
Although he doesn't mention it in the podcast, de Lauzirika actaully filmed some documentary footage for 2049 back when Ridley was still attached as director.
Quote from: PierreVW on Nov 20, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on Nov 20, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Classic?. No. I still think Blade Runner 2049 is a very good movie but nothing more. It's not a masterpiece. For example: the music in this sequel sucked.
Yah, the music in this film blew chunks. It should have been Vangelis...
0 melodies in this score.
It's almost as if Zimmer didnt even try.
I liked the score. It's supposed to be an ambient score. Having melodies would be cheesy and not like Blade Runner at all.
lol film music snobs
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 23, 2017, 05:22:41 AM
lol film music snobs
No, I'm actually a huge Vangelis fan. It was the soundtrack to my years in school studying industrial design. Vangelis' melodies fueled my creativity.
Give Albedo 0.39 a spin...
Let's go with "aficionados"... ;)
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 23, 2017, 05:18:16 AM
I liked the score. It's supposed to be an ambient score. Having melodies would be cheesy and not like Blade Runner at all.
Blade runner was rich with melody. A lot of the melodies blended into ambience, or into mechanical or electronic noises, but they were there. There is a lot of emotion ind Vangelis' melodies for sure..,
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 23, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
Give Albedo 0.39 a spin...
Blimey - that's a blast from the past! You've just taken me back to my childhood and listening to that on vinyl.
Its an amazing piece of work...
If anyone wants some good ambient music, go with L'apocalipse des Animaux
i finally saw it this evening, has topped wftpot apes as best film of the year for me
Quote from: tleilaxu on Nov 21, 2017, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Nov 20, 2017, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on Nov 20, 2017, 10:56:51 PM
Honestly , I wouldn't change a thing - they got this one perfect (the final product) but how many more times could they do that before ruining the whole thing? We got a fantastic sequel, it's visually stunning and it'll no doubt become a classic. If losing money on this so that nobody dares touch the franchise again is what it takes, then so be it.
Again, I wouldn't change a thing.
Exactly right. This film had a very slim chance of even justifying its own existence, and yet lo and behold, it turned out fantastic. If Johnny Popcorn didn't go see it, that's fine with me. And if they don't get to work on a new sequel catering to him specifically, even better.
I'd say the generic Hollywood slave-rebellion script already catered to mr. Popcorn. Normies just didn't go see it anyway. Good movie with a disappointing script overall.
cringe. Now i remember why i don't visit these threads as much as i used to.
Quote from: grootsuit on Dec 01, 2017, 01:12:05 AMwftpot apes
I read this as 'wtf pot apes'. I'd pay to see that. :D
Interview with Scott.
QuoteWhat did you make of the way Blade Runner 2049 was received?
[Whispers] I have to be careful what I say. I have to be careful what I say. It was f**king way too long. f**k me! And most of that script's mine.
Really?
Yes!
The story, or the script?
I sit with writers for an inordinate amount of time and I will not take credit, because it means I've got to sit there with a tape recorder while we talk. I can't do that to a good writer. But I have to, because to prove I'm part of the actual process, I have to then have an endless amount [of proof], and I can't be bothered.
[Editor's note: Spoilers for Blade Runner 2049 follow in the next paragraph.]
But the big idea comes from Blade Runner. Tyrell is a trillionaire, maybe 5 to 10 percent of his business is AI. Like God, he has created perfect beings that, for all intents and purposes, there is no telling the difference from humans. Then he says, "You know what? I'm going to create an AI. I'll have a male and female, they will not know that they're both AIs, I'll have them meet each other, they will fall in love, they will consummate, and they will have a child." That's the first film. The second film is, what happens to the baby? You've got to have the baby, you can't have the mother, so the mother has to inexplicably die four months after she breastfeeds. The bones are found in the box at the foot of the tree — that's all me. And the digital girlfriend is me. I wanted an evolution from Pris, who is inordinately sexy in the original, right?
http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridley-scott-all-the-money-in-the-world-reshoots.html
QuoteIt's slow. It's slow. Long. Too long. I would have taken out half an hour.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/life-style/entertainment/2017/12/26/Ridley-Scott-reveals-why-he-thinks-Blade-Runner-2049-flopped-at-the-box-office.html
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 26, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Interview with Scott.
QuoteWhat did you make of the way Blade Runner 2049 was received?
[Whispers] I have to be careful what I say. I have to be careful what I say. It was f**king way too long. f**k me! And most of that script's mine.
Really?
Yes!
The story, or the script?
I sit with writers for an inordinate amount of time and I will not take credit, because it means I've got to sit there with a tape recorder while we talk. I can't do that to a good writer. But I have to, because to prove I'm part of the actual process, I have to then have an endless amount [of proof], and I can't be bothered.
[Editor's note: Spoilers for Blade Runner 2049 follow in the next paragraph.]
But the big idea comes from Blade Runner. Tyrell is a trillionaire, maybe 5 to 10 percent of his business is AI. Like God, he has created perfect beings that, for all intents and purposes, there is no telling the difference from humans. Then he says, "You know what? I'm going to create an AI. I'll have a male and female, they will not know that they're both AIs, I'll have them meet each other, they will fall in love, they will consummate, and they will have a child." That's the first film. The second film is, what happens to the baby? You've got to have the baby, you can't have the mother, so the mother has to inexplicably die four months after she breastfeeds. The bones are found in the box at the foot of the tree — that's all me. And the digital girlfriend is me. I wanted an evolution from Pris, who is inordinately sexy in the original, right?
http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridley-scott-all-the-money-in-the-world-reshoots.html
QuoteIt's slow. It's slow. Long. Too long. I would have taken out half an hour.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/life-style/entertainment/2017/12/26/Ridley-Scott-reveals-why-he-thinks-Blade-Runner-2049-flopped-at-the-box-office.html
It was a great sequel, but given the reactions from people I knew who also saw it, that was the one overriding common gripe. So maybe it could have used some trimming - not sure about half an hour but it a little tighter probably wouldn't have harmed it.
Hands down the best film I've seen all year (in fact in the last decade). Considering my disappointment with my two main franchise loves (Alien & Star Wars) this year, Blade Runner reminded me just how damn good sci-fi done well can be.
Ridley Scott really is a bit of a prick.
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 23, 2017, 05:18:16 AM
I liked the score. It's supposed to be an ambient score. Having melodies would be cheesy and not like Blade Runner at all.
Blade Runner had lots of beautiful melodic content and was very varied in structure, and unlike Covenant not a hint of cheese.
BR2049 soundtrack isn't bad, it's technically really swell as it should be but it's not very memorable either, it's serviceable and doesn't break the movie.
I'd rate the film 6.5, it's good but not a classic. Probably the best sequel ever made with such a large gap in years.
Ridley is just stunting to keep his throne while the young man (Villeneuve) is coming up. Classic Ridley. I laughed, I didn't take it too personal and I doubt DV did. I knew Ridley would react that way to the critics calling 2049 an equal to his film or retroactively improving parts of it - he won't have that without commenting and both tweaking the film's BO and claiming credit for its merits. He's a showman.
Michael Green has confirmed on Twitter re: that article that Scott apparently sat in a lot with him and Fancher, and I'm sure that's so - he's always full of ideas. But I suspect the true facts and Ridley meet somewhere around 50/50 on 2049.
I have no idea what could've been trimmed in that film. All the more so after rewatching it yesterday. Story-wise, everything needs to be there, and the only thing you can cut that's not story related is scenes featuring the world itself, which are not only spectacular and add to the atmosphere, but have also always been one of the main features of Blade Runner. You cut that out, and you cut out the whole reason for watching Blade Runner instead of reading the novel.
The soundtrack is great, in my opinion. Especially the bit that plays after the Sapper Morton scene, when K flies back to the city and you're asked to soak in the sights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po10CcXfAn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po10CcXfAn0)
Film of the year for me as well.
I loved this film just as it was. I thought the music was good, because it complimented the images on the screen and didn't just rip off Vangelis. I loved the length because it gives so much meaty character development and characters I genuinely cared about. I loved that it threw me curve balls and an ending I never saw coming.
So sad that it failed, but that honestly makes me selfishly love it more, because I got to see it and support it.
Best film I saw this year.
Scratch that: best film I've seen in years.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Dec 27, 2017, 01:33:34 PM
I have no idea what could've been trimmed in that film. All the more so after rewatching it yesterday. Story-wise, everything needs to be there, and the only thing you can cut that's not story related is scenes featuring the world itself, which are not only spectacular and add to the atmosphere, but have also always been one of the main features of Blade Runner.
I actually saw this just yesterday for the first time when it popped up on VUDU. I brought in expectations through critic raves and fan buzz, but it exceeded my expectations. Too much to take in on the first view to say whether it needed less, but I will be doing a replay real soon. Those few times I fully buy into a film's universe, I always want more, never less.
It got better on second viewing for me. I noticed a bunch of cool world-related bits that completely flew over my head on first viewing. For example: The Soviet Union is still around in this universe. The dancing Ballerina is a USSR commercial (Soviet Happy, Product of CCCP).
I loved the Covenant nod when they mentioned the colony ship engines.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Dec 27, 2017, 01:33:34 PM
I have no idea what could've been trimmed in that film. All the more so after rewatching it yesterday. Story-wise, everything needs to be there, and the only thing you can cut that's not story related is scenes featuring the world itself, which are not only spectacular and add to the atmosphere, but have also always been one of the main features of Blade Runner. You cut that out, and you cut out the whole reason for watching Blade Runner instead of reading the novel.
The soundtrack is great, in my opinion. Especially the bit that plays after the Sapper Morton scene, when K flies back to the city and you're asked to soak in the sights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po10CcXfAn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po10CcXfAn0)
Film of the year for me as well.
How about the cheesy ending for one, where Harrison Ford goes to meet his daughter.
Movie of the year for me, saw it three times in the cinema and I can't wait to own it - no riddles, I wouldn't cut a single minute from the movie *smgdh
Too bad the script is not available, I've scoured the web with no luck. I want to do another project like I did Blade Runner 82. . . . . http://www.scifimoviezone.com/bladerunnerfp01.shtml
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Dec 27, 2017, 06:41:23 PM
Too bad the script is not available, I've scoured the web with no luck. I want to do another project like I did Blade Runner 82. . . . . http://www.scifimoviezone.com/bladerunnerfp01.shtml
Wait. I know where it is brb.
EDIT: https://np.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/comments/7ljn64/resource_blade_runner_2049/drnli70/ (https://np.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/comments/7ljn64/resource_blade_runner_2049/drnli70/)
Thanks! PDF copy now on my drive. Project green lit. Much appreciated!
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Dec 27, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Thanks! PDF copy now on my drive. Project green lit. Much appreciated!
I knew keeping that link would come in handy, you're welcome :)
I'm glad you did and most fortunate. But I'm not going to start the project until I've done a couple more replays. Those projects are fun to do, but after spending weeks on them, I'm burned out on the movie for awhile.
Lol Scott. Im more and more struggling to take him serious.
Prob trimmed like that last third of Prometheus? Yea, no thanks!
Best (blockbuster) film in years for me too.
I was about to say, I have the script lol.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 27, 2017, 06:17:28 PM
How about the cheesy ending for one, where Harrison Ford goes to meet his daughter.
:laugh: I suppose anything that isn't grimdark as f**k is considered cheesy these days.
Lovers riding together into sunset.
What film?
Oh ja...
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 27, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
I was about to say, I have the script lol.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 27, 2017, 06:17:28 PM
How about the cheesy ending for one, where Harrison Ford goes to meet his daughter.
:laugh: I suppose anything that isn't grimdark as f**k is considered cheesy these days.
What exactly does grimdark mean? Anyway, I just wanted something more tonally and thematically like Nexus Dawn.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 27, 2017, 06:17:28 PM
How about the cheesy ending for one, where Harrison Ford goes to meet his daughter.
Didn't find the ending cheesy at all. They just meet and the film ends. There's no melodrama or any cheesy dialogue. It's very to the point.
I was also glad they avoided the giant pitfall of diving too deep into the supposed Replicant revolt. Blade Runner has always been a very small scale story of a few key characters in a very rich universe trying to do a thing that is only significant to them. K wants to do the right thing; Deckard wants to reunite with his daughter. It's simple and relatable. The best stories are told this way.
Quote from: Rudiger on Dec 27, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Ridley Scott really is a bit of a prick.
Yeah, he can be. He shouldn't really have said it the way he had said it. But Scott is Scott. However, I agree with him, movie is too long but I wouldn't trim half an hour from it. 10-15 minutes max. And it's not about the script but editing. It's slow-burner.
I'm glad they kept the prologue as a feature extra, I think it wouldn't have been a good fit. It's really just an adventures of Sapper Morton short and would have been a clunky transition to the beginning.
Prologues weren't directed by Denis. They were just part of marketing.
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 28, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
Prologues weren't directed by Denis. They were just part of marketing.
Well NOW you tell me!
Too long movie, some beautiful images, thanks to cinematographer Roger Deakins, but overly pseudo-intellectual, as often with Villeneuve unfortunately.
I think from a fan's perspective it is the perfect length. From a producer's perspective it may be too long as that implies less people will see it and less money to be made. From the average moviegoer's perspective it may be too long, but well... from a fan's perspective, screw them.
I loved this movie. It is my film of the year as far as sci-fi is concerned. Thor Ragnarok takes the cake for best comedy though. Without the humour, TR would have been a bust. BR2049 takes itself seriously in a world where everything has to be funny now, and it does it with grand grace and dignity. We will keep this film alive for years to come. I loved it like Tron: Legacy...
From a fan perspective I agree, the more the better. I'll binge watch up to six hours of a quality drama if I'm taken with it so Blade Runner 2049 was a doddle.
It's length was though the one criticism I kept hearing from people I knew who saw it, so it's a legitimate issue to bring up.
Apparently it was a flop. I didn't realise, I just thought it was one of the best films of the year. Does it matter? It's worth will surely be appreciated in time, and it doesn't require a sequel, so unless its financial failure is causing major problems for Villeneuve or Scott Free, I'm just happy it got made and was true to Blade Runner 2019.
Surely artistic integrity and artistic success are, in the final analysis, more important than financial success. I look back at the 1970s (with a couple of years leeway either side) as probably the best time for film to harness both. The studio heads then were (more) interested in the integrity of their output. In these days of corporate deals and monopolisation where a formulaic approach is always a safer bet, it was great to see a film that felt crafted and not compromised by commerciality. For that alone I personally applaud it's length and it's tone.
Fact is though that commerciality has become far more of an issue since summer blockbusters redefined studio expectation. So, whilst I'm saddened that that is the case, I can see where Scott was coming from with his honest critique.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 27, 2017, 03:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 26, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Interview with Scott.
QuoteWhat did you make of the way Blade Runner 2049 was received?
[Whispers] I have to be careful what I say. I have to be careful what I say. It was f**king way too long. f**k me! And most of that script's mine.
Really?
Yes!
The story, or the script?
I sit with writers for an inordinate amount of time and I will not take credit, because it means I've got to sit there with a tape recorder while we talk. I can't do that to a good writer. But I have to, because to prove I'm part of the actual process, I have to then have an endless amount [of proof], and I can't be bothered.
[Editor's note: Spoilers for Blade Runner 2049 follow in the next paragraph.]
But the big idea comes from Blade Runner. Tyrell is a trillionaire, maybe 5 to 10 percent of his business is AI. Like God, he has created perfect beings that, for all intents and purposes, there is no telling the difference from humans. Then he says, "You know what? I'm going to create an AI. I'll have a male and female, they will not know that they're both AIs, I'll have them meet each other, they will fall in love, they will consummate, and they will have a child." That's the first film. The second film is, what happens to the baby? You've got to have the baby, you can't have the mother, so the mother has to inexplicably die four months after she breastfeeds. The bones are found in the box at the foot of the tree — that's all me. And the digital girlfriend is me. I wanted an evolution from Pris, who is inordinately sexy in the original, right?
http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridley-scott-all-the-money-in-the-world-reshoots.html
QuoteIt's slow. It's slow. Long. Too long. I would have taken out half an hour.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/life-style/entertainment/2017/12/26/Ridley-Scott-reveals-why-he-thinks-Blade-Runner-2049-flopped-at-the-box-office.html
It was a great sequel, but given the reactions from people I knew who also saw it, that was the one overriding common gripe. So maybe it could have used some trimming - not sure about half an hour but it a little tighter probably wouldn't have harmed it.
Like Ridley, I'm going to try to be very careful.
* "BR 2049" was a good science fiction movie. Not great (like 1982 "Blade Runner") but still good.
- Visually and in terms of atmosphere "BR 2049" was stunning.
Considering its high technical quality, criticisms of "BR 2049" are going to be like nitpicks.
* Agreed with some others that "BR 2049" was too long especially where the visuals very slowly linger on moments which don't move the story forward.
This may have hurt the film's box office the most (and helped balloon the production budget).
* The villains and the fantasy of James Bond;
Spoiler
The main villain character with Leto's performance was cartoonish, more like a James Bond villain. And in the Bond tradition there is the lethal villain sidekick. This undercuts the movie's seriousness.
* Convenient, not logical plot points, like James Bond;
Spoiler
When it could easily be done, why doesn't Luv kill K? Classic Bond trope of sparing the hero.
Why does Wallace need to take Deckard off world for interrogation? Wouldn't earth have those kinds of facilities? Answer; like in a Bond film something illogical needs to happen to move the plot along.
And by happy/silly coincidence K intercepted Deckard's captors (which allows him to kill Luv) which puts "BR 2049" firmly into Bond fantasy.
* The hologram and slavery;
Spoiler
Joi is the best character in the movie. But that presents some problems for "BR 2049" overall and the theme of slavery.
The slavery theme is at the core of 1982 "Blade Runner". Joi is not labeled as a slave and she doesn't mention slavery. It's interesting finding humanity with a girlfriend personal assistant (like with the film "Her") but this pushes the slavery struggle in "BR 2049" to the side.
* Anyway again, imo "BR 2049" is a good movie, it's in my 2017 top 10.
;)
I understand the praise around BR 2049 visuals, but the beautiful cinematography is put at the service of what ? Not much IMO... So much emptyness in many shots in this movie... This futuristic environnment wasn't oppressing anymore to me.
Also, cinematography is supposed to be more than a thing to which we can say "oh it's really pretty", and despite the fact that it is really pretty, it wasn't much more than that to me.
Different time, different location, different protagonists, different movie.
Quote from: Rudiger on Jan 01, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
Different time, different location, different protagonists, different movie.
I get that, but still, it's a direct sequel in the same universe
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 01, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
I understand the praise around BR 2049 visuals, but the beautiful cinematography is put at the service of what ? Not much IMO... So much emptyness in many shots in this movie... This futuristic environnment wasn't oppressing anymore to me.
Also, cinematography is supposed to be more than a thing to which we can say "oh it's really pretty", and despite the fact that it is really pretty, it wasn't much more than that to me.
* With the excellent images/tone and things from James Bond films, what is all of this in "BR 2049" put in the service of (in terms of a serious story)?
Spoiler
I point to the relationship between K and Joi. There is a similar story in the movie "Her" about finding humanity with artificial intelligence.
Joi is the emotional core of the movie with her trying to help K and they have some nice moments. Otherwise in "BR 2049" I didn't find much to emotionally care about.
* As for the oppressive society in 1982 "Blade Runner", the replicants from the first movie had emotions. They emotionally talked about living in fear and being slaves.
Spoiler
That oppression is pretty much gone in almost all of "BR 2049" imo. K is oppressed but does he emotionally care? Since by design he has no emotions how much can I relate to his problem? And as I mentioned in my above post Joi has nothing to do with the slavery theme.
Overall still a good movie imo.
;)
Yeah because the original was an emotive experience...
It's as cold a film as they come.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jan 01, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Yeah because the original was an emotive experience...
It's as cold a film as they come.
Personal taste.
- Some people find Roy's 'tears in rain' speech or Rachel crying / asking for help emotional. (I could find more moments but I'll leave it there. Also, I can recall some movies which imo have less emotion than 1982 "Blade Runner".)
- And some people would agree with you that there is no emotion in 1982 "Blade Runner".
There is no absolute right or wrong answer.
It all depends on the reaction of the viewer.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Jan 01, 2018, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jan 01, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Yeah because the original was an emotive experience...
It's as cold a film as they come.
Personal taste.
- Some people find Roy's 'tears in rain' speech or Rachel crying / asking for help emotional. (I could find more moments but I'll leave it there. Also, I can recall some movies which imo have less emotion than 1982 "Blade Runner".)
- And some people would agree with you that there is no emotion in 1982 "Blade Runner".
There is no absolute right or wrong answer.
It all depends on the reaction of the viewer.
;)
Agreed. Just there are far too many sweeping statements around here.
Quote from: bb-15 on Jan 01, 2018, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 01, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
I understand the praise around BR 2049 visuals, but the beautiful cinematography is put at the service of what ? Not much IMO... So much emptyness in many shots in this movie... This futuristic environnment wasn't oppressing anymore to me.
Also, cinematography is supposed to be more than a thing to which we can say "oh it's really pretty", and despite the fact that it is really pretty, it wasn't much more than that to me.
* With the excellent images/tone and things from James Bond films, what is all of this in "BR 2049" put in the service of (in terms of a serious story)?
Spoiler
I point to the relationship between K and Joi. There is a similar story in the movie "Her" about finding humanity with artificial intelligence.
Joi is the emotional core of the movie with her trying to help K and they have some nice moments. Otherwise in "BR 2049" I didn't find much to emotionally care about.
* As for the oppressive society in 1982 "Blade Runner", the replicants from the first movie had emotions. They emotionally talked about living in fear and being slaves.
Spoiler
That oppression is pretty much gone in almost all of "BR 2049" imo. K is oppressed but does he emotionally care? Since by design he has no emotions how much can I relate to his problem? And as I mentioned in my above post Joi has nothing to do with the slavery theme.
Overall still a good movie imo.
;)
Yeah, i understand what you're saying. I'll rewatch it and will try to focus on the K/Joi relationship more this time :)
I really loved this movie. I regret not seeing it in IMAX more than once. It was definitely way better than The Last Jedi.
Blade Rummer 2049 is NOT better than The Last Jedi. Just look at the numbers. Also, The Last Jedi has an entire seven films preceding it to provide depth and development before the title screen even appears on the screen. Blade Runner 2049, on the other hand, has one flop preceding it that's still misunderstood by 99% of the people that see it 35 years later. Sorry, Blade Runner 2049 just didn't have the foundation to stand on like The Last Jedi and that's why it wasn't as good.
99%?
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 09, 2018, 04:21:23 AM
Blade Rummer 2049 is NOT better than The Last Jedi. Just look at the numbers. Also, The Last Jedi has an entire seven films preceding it to provide depth and development before the title screen even appears on the screen. Blade Runner 2049, on the other hand, has one flop preceding it that's still misunderstood by 99% of the people that see it 35 years later. Sorry, Blade Runner 2049 just didn't have the foundation to stand on like The Last Jedi and that's why it wasn't as good.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 09, 2018, 04:21:23 AM
Blade Rummer 2049 is NOT better than The Last Jedi. Just look at the numbers. Also, The Last Jedi has an entire seven films preceding it to provide depth and development before the title screen even appears on the screen. Blade Runner 2049, on the other hand, has one flop preceding it that's still misunderstood by 99% of the people that see it 35 years later. Sorry, Blade Runner 2049 just didn't have the foundation to stand on like The Last Jedi and that's why it wasn't as good.
Can't tell if serious.
Ridley wants to make a third Blade Runner lol
This was my Favourite film of 2017.
Its Visually stunning and the sound design was incredible. I didn't feel long to me either, it flew by and I would have quite happily sat through another hour!
I cant wait for the Bluray to be released.
Brilliant film, a bit simpler than I wanted it to be, maybe a touch safe, but nothing ruined and a perfect addition. Loved the way they made you think of the original in a different way whilst not changing anything. Really great nods.
Ford wasted though, really didn't need to be in it. That and the soundtrack I'm not sure about.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 09, 2018, 05:12:05 PM
Brilliant film, a bit simpler than I wanted it to be, maybe a touch safe, but nothing ruined and a perfect addition. Loved the way they made you think of the original in a different way whilst not changing anything. Really great nods.
Ford wasted though, really didn't need to be in it. That and the soundtrack I'm not sure about.
Really? I loved the soundtrack, it's one of the best parts of the film for me. I also thought Ford was excellent in it.
I agree with the simplicity though, I was expecting something a little more than that but I've only seen it once so it may reap more rewards after further viewings.
Blade Runner 2049 nominated for 8 BAFTAs including Best Director.
At least there's some sanity in the UK.
http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018 (http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018)
Quote from: N-Shifter on Jan 09, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
Blade Runner 2049 nominated for 8 BAFTAs including Best Director.
At least there's some sanity in the UK.
http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018 (http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018)
Nice. Hope it wins. It deserves it.
Ok, it's Blu-Ray time. Anybody know if there will be a special edition? As far as I can tell, there isn't even a director's commentary in the standard version..,
We need an extended cut ;-)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2018, 09:47:22 PM
Ok, it's Blu-Ray time. Anybody know if there will be a special edition? As far as I can tell, there isn't even a director's commentary in the standard version..,
We need an extended cut ;-)
I've got a limited edition version pre-ordered that comes with 2 replicas (lol) of Deckards Whisky glasses from the original Blade Runner.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcollectors-junkies.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F10%2FBlade-Runner-2049-Limited-Edition-4K-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray-mit-2-Whiskey-Gl%25C3%25A4sern-Blu-ray.jpg&hash=d2d4c1bc31e4ade7b78a56526d3307e2c5770883)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2018, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on Jan 09, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
Blade Runner 2049 nominated for 8 BAFTAs including Best Director.
At least there's some sanity in the UK.
http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018 (http://www.bafta.org/film/awards/ee-british-academy-film-awards-in-2018)
Nice. Hope it wins. It deserves it.
Ok, it's Blu-Ray time. Anybody know if there will be a special edition? As far as I can tell, there isn't even a director's commentary in the standard version..,
We need an extended cut ;-)
Noo its already too looooong, almost like reading a book--
But seriously, DV seems to be like Nolan in that regard, so don't get hopes up.
Maybe we need Ridley Scott to do a commentary as the producer?? :laugh:
"See here now, this is where I thought it was to f$&king long"...
:laugh:
"Ah, here comes Deckard, the replicant..."
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 09, 2018, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 09, 2018, 05:12:05 PM
Brilliant film, a bit simpler than I wanted it to be, maybe a touch safe, but nothing ruined and a perfect addition. Loved the way they made you think of the original in a different way whilst not changing anything. Really great nods.
Ford wasted though, really didn't need to be in it. That and the soundtrack I'm not sure about.
Really? I loved the soundtrack, it's one of the best parts of the film for me. I also thought Ford was excellent in it.
I agree with the simplicity though, I was expecting something a little more than that but I've only seen it once so it may reap more rewards after further viewings.
I need another listen. I bought the LP anyway because I collect soundtracks.
I thought Ford was good, I just didn't think that part of the story really needed to be in it. At least not in the way it's presented.
I felt that the new soundtrack was the weakest link of the film. (Number 2 being Jared Leto) Whereas the music of Vangelis created an ethereal electronic paradise, the new soundtrack was an exercise in brutalism. I don't recall any melodies that stuck with me. Vangelis was sorely missing in this film, and it shows.
They seemed to go for a modern Vangelis, but it sort of came across more like motor bike noises. At least that's what I remember, only seen it the once.
I'm afraid your recollection is spot on. You may not have the memory issues you were after. It was just a total lack of delicacy and grace. Mind you I loved the film as a whole..
Interesting. I found the soundtrack spot on. Loved it and I'm a huge fan of the original Vangelis score too.
Agreed it was brutal in parts (when it needed to be) but also had some nicer softer moments too that suited the film perfectly.
That 4K UHD release next week can't come soon enough.
i hated the original blade runner movie ( watched all the cuts)
but this one was soooooooooo amazing it hurts me it bombed at the box office.
I loved all the music but the brutal parts in particular.
If the look of the film had exactly matched the original, then yes, I'd say Vangelis or bust.
But the world changed, and the music changed with it. I can accept that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the soundtrack of the original, but i can't help but think that a more similar approach wouldve sounded a bit cheesy these days. It wouldve given the actual film this dominant retro/remake vibe which DV avoided in almost every aspect so masterly.
I really didn't want this to be Blade Runners TFA.
Besides BRs original soundtrack is quite melodic and i don't think this wouldve suited this sequel that well. This one is way more on the dark ambient side and the actual soundtrack supports this superbly.
Theres always something romantic/fairytale-like in Ridleys films which kinda demands a more melodic approach. DVs Blade Runner is more like The Dark Knight, Sicario, The Revenant etc. atmospherically, therefore a soundtrack overloaded with calmer melodic passages wouldve felt out of place in this case imo.
Obviously hearing this soundtrack without watching the movie can become a bit boring if your not that heavily in the drone/ambient/electro camp. Think this just comes with the nature of the thing.
There are fair arguments, but I invite anyone to listen to Vangelis' most recent album Rosetta, and see if you feel this is dated or cheesy. It would have been better to use something along these lines.
The last thing i actively heard from them was the OST of Alexander i think, which i found a bit meh. But i will give that new one a try.
Another thing i wanted to add: Due to the soundtrack being more harsh and brutal overall i think the payoff at the end is so much more effective when Tears in the rain is finally played as sort of an actualized homage.
The stark contrast with the preceding style makes the impact of the final sequences underlined with the finally the original imitating music that much more intense for me.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
There are fair arguments, but I invite anyone to listen to Vangelis' most recent album Rosetta, and see if you feel this is dated or cheesy.
Interesting. I too was a little worried that modern Vangelis music might be a bit 'cheesy' because his new music on disc 3 of the 2007 Blade Runner expanded soundtrack, well... kind of
was.
I'll definitely give Rosetta a listen.
almost perfect movie, but the flaws are very minimal, one of the best movies of 2017 and hollywood made in a long time
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Tears and ultraviolence without any transition.
Best villain performance since Ledger?
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 10, 2018, 06:45:26 PM
Another thing i wanted to add: Due to the soundtrack being more harsh and brutal overall i think the payoff at the end is so much more effective when Tears in the rain is finally played as sort of an actualized homage.
^ THIS!!!
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
There are fair arguments, but I invite anyone to listen to Vangelis' most recent album Rosetta, and see if you feel this is dated or cheesy.
Interesting. I too was a little worried that modern Vangelis music might be a bit 'cheesy' because his new music on disc 3 of the 2007 Blade Runner expanded soundtrack, well... kind of was.
I'll definitely give Rosetta a listen.
Cool. I'd love to hear your take on Rosetta. I fell in love with that album. I also agree that the Bladerunner revisited material was not his best work. Vangelis is not without his misses, but Rosetta for me was a big hit.
Anyway, I don't want to come across as being disappointed with BR2049. The music and Leto detract from the film in a very minor way.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 10, 2018, 06:45:26 PM
The last thing i actively heard from them was the OST of Alexander i think, which i found a bit meh. But i will give that new one a try.
Another thing i wanted to add: Due to the soundtrack being more harsh and brutal overall i think the payoff at the end is so much more effective when Tears in the rain is finally played as sort of an actualized homage.
The stark contrast with the preceding style makes the impact of the final sequences underlined with the finally the original imitating music that much more intense for me.
Yup. Bang on.
Like coming up for air. It works on two levels. One because you love it already, two because it does fit the scene perfectly.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 10, 2018, 11:51:31 PM
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hA-c9cXThfE4UhaCrVS8rkWSXrI=/400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9433307/blade_runner_luv.png
Tears and ultraviolence without any transition.
Best villain performance since Ledger?
Her performance improves a
lot upon 2nd viewing; I forgot how sweet and soft she was in the beginning of the film. She turns up the heat so subtly that you don't even realize what's happening until it's too late!
Ja, shes also a good example how subtle DV handled the slave theme.
You can see her crying when shes wittnessing how Wallace is "treating" the newborn replicant knowing full well that is going to be her own fate when shes failing to accomplish her mission.
Her brutality is kinda rooted in her will to survive, yet theres also this continuous aura of detachment when shes again only appearing more as an artificial being with a deficient, amoral or overall just different cognition of things.
Subtle and ambiguous, awesome performance.
I would watch Moon if you haven't seen it already.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 11, 2018, 11:12:19 PM
Ja, shes also a good example how subtle DV handled the slave theme.
You can see her crying when shes wittnessing how Wallace is "treating" the newborn replicant knowing full well that is going to be her own fate when shes failing to accomplish her mission.
Her brutality is kinda rooted in her will to survive, yet theres also this continuous aura of detachment when shes again only appearing more as an artificial being with a deficient, amoral or overall just different cognition of things.
Subtle and ambiguous, awesome performance.
Subtle? The movie literally shoves it in your face from the very beginning. It's not subtle by any possible measure. Also, Luv was crying because she thought it was beautiful and she loves Wallace.
Quote from: Arina Forest on Jan 12, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
I'm thrilled with the movie Blade Runner 2049. I'm looking for some kind of similar movie . Maybe.. Anybody here have a recommendation for a movie like this one did?
I found some recommendations on the sites https://bestsimilar.com/movies/38404-blade-runner-2049 and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1, but I'm curious to know the opinion of those who watched something similar to the movie Blade Runner 2049
??? ??? ???
If the K/Joi relationship intrigued you, definitely watch the movie 'Her'.
Quote from: Arina Forest on Jan 12, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
I'm thrilled with the movie Blade Runner 2049. I'm looking for some kind of similar movie . Maybe.. Anybody here have a recommendation for a movie like this one did?
I found some recommendations on the sites https://bestsimilar.com/movies/38404-blade-runner-2049 and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1, but I'm curious to know the opinion of those who watched something similar to the movie Blade Runner 2049
??? ??? ???
You should definitely watch
Immortel (ad vitam). One of my favourites. It's a movie adaption of a french sci-fi comic called "The Nikopol Trilogy" that started in 1980 and was also a big influence for Ridley Scott when he developed Blade Runner. ;)
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 12, 2018, 02:44:12 PM
Subtle? The movie literally shoves it in your face from the very beginning. It's not subtle by any possible measure.
I'm curious where you're getting this. I'm assuming you think there are multiple examples since you say 'from the very beginning,' can you offer a scene description of Luv that portrays shoving it in the audiences' faces?
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 12, 2018, 02:44:12 PM
Also, Luv was crying because she thought it was beautiful and she loves Wallace.
Again, I'm curious where you're getting this. That is something that would be a viewer's perception since there is no dialogue onscreen confirming why she was crying. What did you perceive that she was crying because she thought it was beautiful because that is not what the script explains why she was crying.
Luv luving Wallace? Not sure but possibly too subtle for me. :laugh:
The "beautiful" part i kinda could buy, cause theres definitely a sadistic side to her personality, for example her facial reaction when she finds out what K is actually storing on that future USB stick combined with her sardonic joking right after she practically stomped
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Joi to death
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Plus of course her general behaviour when shes inducing violence here and there.
Then again sometimes she would act/react completely noninvolved, indifferent (when she kills that guy after collecting Rachels leftovers, when shes
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using Robin Wrights head for the scan lol
).
Yea i really can't see much of a 'shoving in your face' approach your talking about, maybe you should give the film a second chance when your 'boring cliché film' attitude has abated a little; or just don't.
edit: I'm really not sure about the spoiler policy anymore. Are we supposed to still use tags for BR2049?
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 12, 2018, 10:34:15 PM
Luv luving Wallace? Not sure but possibly too subtle for me. :laugh:
Yea i really can't see much of a 'shoving in your face' approach your talking about, maybe you should give the film a second chance when your 'boring cliché film' attitude has abated a little; or just don't.
edit: I'm really not sure about the spoiler policy anymore. Are we supposed to still use tags for BR2049?
I never felt like Luv 'luv'd' Wallace. To me her character seemed all about seeking his approval, sure; to show that she's "the best". But that's all. At best, maybe the sort of love you have for your parents? I don't know, I think I missed all the things the film was supposed to shove in my face, cause even the stuff I thought I had figured out, I've since seen other interpretations of, and I can see where those interpretations come from even if I disagree.
For example, my take on Joi's character and her relationship with K seems to be different than what many other people seem to think. And yeah, after the Star Wars thread, I kinda don't know if I should even go deeper on the subject cause it's spoilery as hell.
The parents love angle i can definitely see, with all the implications of such love of course.
It's in fact highly plausible. In the end Wallace is killing that newborn mainly for the reason of it being insufficient. Just like any natural-law-abiding father should do. ;)
Like i said: in this scene shes basically getting demonstrated her own fate should she fail. Her desperate will to be the best is her showing daddy that shes worth it to live (its also kinda the slave theme again; children as the slaves of their parents, doomed to death the minute they show they are unfit for life).
Ja and of course the parental/god theme isnt exactly new to the Blade Runner universe.
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Oh yeah, of course the parental theme isn't new. That's why Blade Runner 2049 is a great sequel: It doesn't undermine the old themes of the original, but rather, expands on them. For example, the original explored what it is to be human through experiences. It argued that Replicants deserve to be treated similarly to humans because their memories and experiences during their lifespan are just as valuable as those of humans. Blade Runner 2049, as far as I could tell anyway, took that concept of memories + experiences = humanity and expanded it to also explore individuality. The film doesn't just explore what makes us human - it explores what makes us 'us'. What differentiates one person from another. That's how you make a great sequel in my opinion.
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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 12, 2018, 02:44:12 PM
Subtle? The movie literally shoves it in your face from the very beginning. It's not subtle by any possible measure.
I'm curious where you're getting this. I'm assuming you think there are multiple examples since you say 'from the very beginning,' can you offer a scene description of Luv that portrays shoving it in the audiences' faces?
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 12, 2018, 02:44:12 PM
Also, Luv was crying because she thought it was beautiful and she loves Wallace.
Again, I'm curious where you're getting this. That is something that would be a viewer's perception since there is no dialogue onscreen confirming why she was crying. What did you perceive that she was crying because she thought it was beautiful because that is not what the script explains why she was crying.
It's pretty clear due to the context of the scene. Luv isn't afraid of dying or something, she's made to be absolutely loyal and to adore her master.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 12, 2018, 10:34:15 PM
Yea i really can't see much of a 'shoving in your face' approach your talking about, maybe you should give the film a second chance when your 'boring cliché film' attitude has abated a little; or just don't.
I like the film overall, just disappojnted by the plot. I expected something deeper and more significant, but basic idea is basically yet another Hollywood slave uprising, and Wallace is literally a guy just trying to optimize replicant production. I expected him to have more intricate motivations, e.g. using replicants as the next step in human evolution, but in the end he's just a business man. Disappointing.
There's also a lot of weird plot devices, like Luv not killing K several times when she had an easy chance, Harrison Ford needing to be tortured off-world specifically for some reason, but I could forgive those if the plot had been more interesting.
I've already seen "replicants don't want to be used as expendable labour" thing before.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
basic idea is basically yet another Hollywood slave uprising
I don't know how you got that basic idea out of a film that takes the effort of telling the audience it
isn't about a slave uprising, by showing you that the movement exists, and then completely brushing it off to the side.
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The whole point of K/Joe's arc is that he defies both his human masters and the Replicant resistance by fabricating Deckard's death so that he could finally reunite with his daughter. K/Joe wants them both to leave Deckard alone. The film doesn't actually care about the uprising, evidenced by the fact that it doesn't even show you one. It's a personal story, much like the original.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
It's pretty clear due to the context of the scene. Luv isn't afraid of dying or something, she's made to be absolutely loyal and to adore her master.
Yea, just like Paranoid Android, I too am not seeing that as shoving it in audiences' faces, but perception is the privilege of every viewer. And I think I will stick with the writer's explanation why she was crying, but thanks for the explanation of your perception.
I found Luv to be
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quite child like. She behaves a bit like a younger, jealous sibling.
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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
basic idea is basically yet another Hollywood slave uprising
I don't know how you got that basic idea out of a film that takes the effort of telling the audience it isn't about a slave uprising, by showing you that the movement exists, and then completely brushing it off to the side.
Spoiler
The whole point of K/Joe's arc is that he defies both his human masters and the Replicant resistance by fabricating Deckard's death so that he could finally reunite with his daughter. K/Joe wants them both to leave Deckard alone. The film doesn't actually care about the uprising, evidenced by the fact that it doesn't even show you one. It's a personal story, much like the original.
Just because K decides not to kill Deckard and instead leads him to his daughter that doesn't mean that the essential theme of slavery of humans/sentient creatures being bad is brushed aside.
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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
It's pretty clear due to the context of the scene. Luv isn't afraid of dying or something, she's made to be absolutely loyal and to adore her master.
Yea, just like Paranoid Android, I too am not seeing that as shoving it in audiences' faces, but perception is the privilege of every viewer. And I think I will stick with the writer's explanation why she was crying, but thanks for the explanation of your perception.
What was the writer's explanation then? I'm actually kind of shocked there could be any other explanation since it was so obvious to me. If indeed Luv did cry because she wanted to save her own species but couldn't, then that would first of all be lame and 2nd of all it wouldn't harmonize with the rest of her actions, i.e. the way she says "I'm the best" after thinking she beat K near the end.
Quote from: dallevalle on Jan 10, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
but this one was soooooooooo amazing it hurts me it bombed at the box office.
"Blade Runner 2049" had a double curse which led to it being a flop.
1. It was too expensive. It did a little better than "Arrival" at the box office but had a production budget at the level of "Wonder Woman".
2. "BR 2049" was too long.
One reason is because it had several costly CGI sequences which didn't move the plot along.
- Use less CGI, shorten the film schedule.
Make it cheaper and shorter so it's easier for the casual audience to follow.
Quote from: dallevalle on Jan 10, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
i hated the original blade runner movie ( watched all the cuts)
Well, I come from the opposite direction. 1982 "Blade Runner" (Director's/Final Cut) is my favorite science fiction film.
- "BR 2049" to me is a hybrid of "Blade Runner", Roger Moore James Bond and "Her".
For instance; "Moonraker" is a fun movie but not an all time great film imo.
"BR 2049" had those silly JB elements.
- The "Her" storyline with Joi was interesting but it didn't have much to do with the central slavery theme of the 1982 movie.
It's a sideline which leads to the question; what was "BR 2049" at its core about?
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Free the slaves? Maybe. AI can be like a happy human? Could be.
* Overall "Blade Runner 2049" was decent entertainment.
It's a good film.
Just not a great one for me.
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Blade Runner 2049 - Gosling Hunts Down Jonesy (the Cat)
I edited audio samples from Gladestock Studios, "Urban Decay" soundscape - along with ambient sounds from "Alien" and "Alien Covenant". I thought the abandoned building scene lacked organic and atmospheric sounds that would immerse the viewer into the environment.
(Note this video is part parody of a scene from "Alien").
1. (0:00 to 0:59) Gladestock Studios - "Urban Decay Soundscape" perfectly enhanced the sounds of industrial pipes, water dripping, and distant noises that I think are convincing to the scene.
2. (1:00) Jed Kurzel's "Incubation" track subtlely starts along with Jimmy Shields "heartbeat" sound effect from "Alien" (1979).
3. (1:06) The distant generator sound I briefly mixed back in from the "Urban Decay Soundscape" by Gladestock Studios.
4. (1:08) Here's the parody part - I think Gosling is looking for Jonesy... I wonder if that feline creature could be a radioactive, rodent killing "repliCAT" that later joins Ripley on board the Nostromo?
5. (1:16) Jonesy sends a telepathic signal to Gosling - "Hello, My Brethren - I'm model (CATo9-009)."
6. (1:20) Jim Shields heartbeat loop continues with metal chains in the background.
7. (1:27) Distant echo on the right audio channel I mixed over the chains.
8. (1:32) I edited the echo to the left channel to sound closer in proximity.
9. (1:38) Jonesy escapes "retirement" from Ryan Dean Gosling.
Credits:
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"Urban Decay" Sound Design: Gladestock Studios
(The audio team behind the 2014 "Alien Isolation" video game).
"Alien" (1979) Sound Designer: Jimmy Shields
Music Credits: Sample of "Incubation" by Jed Kurzel from "Alien Covenant".
"Blade Runner 2049" - Directed by Denis Villeneuve.
(Work In Progress). The media I edited is owned by:
© Warner Bros. Entertainment
In addition some content added is owned by:
© Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
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Nice one ;D
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Jan 13, 2018, 02:09:41 AM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
basic idea is basically yet another Hollywood slave uprising
I don't know how you got that basic idea out of a film that takes the effort of telling the audience it isn't about a slave uprising, by showing you that the movement exists, and then completely brushing it off to the side.
Spoiler
The whole point of K/Joe's arc is that he defies both his human masters and the Replicant resistance by fabricating Deckard's death so that he could finally reunite with his daughter. K/Joe wants them both to leave Deckard alone. The film doesn't actually care about the uprising, evidenced by the fact that it doesn't even show you one. It's a personal story, much like the original.
Just because K decides not to kill Deckard and instead leads him to his daughter that doesn't mean that the essential theme of slavery of humans/sentient creatures being bad is brushed aside.
I agree. The theme of slavery is very much present in Blade Runner 2049, as it should be. A "basic idea of yet another Hollywood slave uprising" is not.
I had a moment of what I consider enlightenment when it comes to a certain part of BR49 which has come under some scrutiny. The idea that if someone is born, then they are human has been discussed as a silly way to limit the definition of what it means to be human. Indeed, in what way is a person less human if they come from a vat, vs. being born naturally?
Well, it occurs to me that the birth issue has more to do with the natural creation of memories than it does with human vs non-human status. The idea is that if you are born, you will build real memories over time, rather than if you come out of the vat as an adult, whereby you have to have your memories implanted, which implies that you are somehow less human. I think this is what they were trying to get across. The viewer must then ask themself where is the distinction line to be drawn, which echoes the entire theme of the series.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 15, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
I had a moment of what I consider enlightenment when it comes to a certain part of BR49 which has come under some scrutiny. The idea that if someone is born, then they are human has been discussed as a silly way to limit the definition of what it means to be human. Indeed, in what way is a person less human if they come from a vat, vs. being born naturally?
Well, it occurs to me that the birth issue has more to do with the natural creation of memories than it does with human vs non-human status. The idea is that if you are born, you will build real memories over time, rather than if you come out of the vat as an adult, whereby you have to have your memories implanted, which implies that you are somehow less human. I think this is what they were trying to get across. The viewer must then ask themself where is the distinction line to be drawn, which echoes the entire theme of the series.
I can dig that.
In 2049 though I would assume that
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the new child would make their own memories and would that child have some unnatural abilities like strength or intelligence that would seperate them off from humans?
Maybe another way of thinking is that to be human, you have to have limitations.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Jan 14, 2018, 08:06:37 AM
I agree. The theme of slavery is very much present in Blade Runner 2049, as it should be. A "basic idea of yet another Hollywood slave uprising" is not.
This.
I'd like to see a movie where the replicants adopt a stance of nonviolence and just stop working. Since the humans depend on them, it would be cool to them first attempt the replicants to go back to work. When that fails, humans turn on each other while their entire society crashes...because all great civilizations are "built on the backs of disposable workforce" that they no longer have.
Wouldn't he basic at all.
BR 2049 - Reconstructed Audio Part 2:
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Here's a video of samples I mixed from "Blade Runner" (1982), and "Blade Runner 2049" (2017) to create a short and layered soundscape of the city. (Timestamp Details):
1. (0:00) "Cross Now" sample from "Blade Runner" (1982). This continues through most of the clip, but it starts to decrease after 10 seconds.
2. (0:14) Distant spinner engine sound edited on the left audio channel.
3. (0:15) Man talking about "Off-world Colonies" from the first film... I also added more reverb to his voice that travels in a direction from left to right. (This continues to the end clip of the clip).
4. (0:18) Stereo sample of airborne spinner engine from "Blade Runner 2049". (Note the audio from the engine does not appear in this part of the movie).
5. (0:20) Removed audio of the redundant "Off-world" speech from "BR 2049"... You can still hear a car beep at Ryan Gosling when he crosses the street.
6. (0:26) Stereo sample of airborne spinner engine from "Blade Runner 2049". (Again, the audio from the engine does not appear in this part of the movie).
BR 2049 - Reconstructed Audio Part 1:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37857.msg2258852#msg2258852
(WIP) - The media I've edited is owned by:
© Warner Bros. Entertainment
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 15, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
Well, it occurs to me that the birth issue has more to do with the natural creation of memories than it does with human vs non-human status. The idea is that if you are born, you will build real memories over time, rather than if you come out of the vat as an adult, whereby you have to have your memories implanted, which implies that you are somehow less human. I think this is what they were trying to get across. The viewer must then ask themself where is the distinction line to be drawn, which echoes the entire theme of the series.
I can't think of anything that specifically says this in the movie.
So I think you, and you alone, deserve full credit for this brilliant insight. (No need to share it with the writers. ;) )
May I have permission to repeat this idea to others?
TC
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jan 13, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
I'm actually kind of shocked there could be any other explanation since it was so obvious to me. If indeed Luv did cry because she wanted to save her own species but couldn't, then that would first of all be lame
According to the script, she was crying over the thought of disappointing Wallace.
Quote from: bb-15 on Jan 13, 2018, 05:10:26 PM
- The "Her" storyline with Joi was interesting but it didn't have much to do with the central slavery theme of the 1982 movie. It's a sideline which leads to the question; what was "BR 2049" at its core about?
Viewers, especially those who put so much emphasis on realism, have grown certain expectations of stories that the writer really has no obligation to comply. How did it become a demand that every single scene must absolutely be connected to the story's core theme? What is so unrealistic, or considered a flaw when a writer injects totally random or unrelated scenes to the story's core theme? Your whole life is filled with random unrelated events in your quest to achieve whatever life goal you have. Unrelated scenes is actually a device writers are trained to use.
It's called Plot Dividends: "Dividends are rewards that characters receive along the journey towards the Story Goal. Dividends are not necessary for the goal to be achieved. They may be unrelated to the goal entirely. But they are something that would never have occurred if the characters hadn't made the effort to achieve the goal."
Now of course, this is story telling within the confines of a two-ish hour window, and not real life. And if a film filled a bulk of it's running time with unrelated scenes, then I could see your point. But for a writer to inject one or two unrelated events within the film's core theme, is actually portraying a slice of real life, but apparently those who demand realism, some of them now see that as a flaw. A no win situation.
Roger Deakins on The Hollywood Reporter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3Enu2l_bE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3Enu2l_bE)
Interesting. Pity they showed a picture of Ridley and captioned it as Jordan Cronenweth.
Quote from: Tryfan on Jan 17, 2018, 10:29:36 PM
Interesting. Pity they showed a picture of Ridley and captioned it as Jordan Cronenweth.
Yeah I thought the same.
5 Academy award nominations...
http://montrealgazette.com/entertainment/local-arts/blade-runner-2049s-oscar-nominations-put-spotlight-on-people-in-the-shadows-villeneuve-says
It definitely deserves the nominations.
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Quote from: irn on Jan 24, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
I think the nominations are as good as could have hoped. Probably it will sweep the technical ones.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2018, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 24, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
Hmmm, you're right, but only by fools who just love to throw that word around.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 24, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2018, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 24, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
Hmmm, you're right, but only by fools who just love to throw that word around.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The narrative of the film is very self-aware. It is preesenting a dystopia.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2018, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jan 24, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2018, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 24, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
Hmmm, you're right, but only by fools who just love to throw that word around.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The narrative of the film is very self-aware. It is preesenting a dystopia.
I'm agreeing with you.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 24, 2018, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 24, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
Now everything is misogynistic, they are just living in a bubble or ignorance. Anyway, this was easily in the top 10 of best movies of 2017 and one of the best to come out of hollywood in years, Deakins and Villenueve deserves awards
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 24, 2018, 02:53:58 AM
None are for Writing, Direction, or Picture, though. :-/
Criminal. It deserves to win the five nominations it did get though.
And I'm agreeing with you too. High five! ;)
Agreed as per above.
Unfortunately, this film seems to have struck a chord as a fairly misogynistic film, which virtually guarantees that it will be excluded from contention for the big cheese in this era of "me too". It is completely misunderstood that the film does not celebrate the objectification of women, but rather presents it as a distopian vision, i.e. one not to be celebrated.
Hmmm, you're right, but only by fools who just love to throw that word around.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The narrative of the film is very self-aware. It is preesenting a dystopia.
I'm agreeing with you.
QuoteHow did Deckard and Rachel meet Resistance Replicants while on the run?
Denis Villeneuve: Being a Blade Runner, he is a detective, and the cops are close to the world of criminals, meaning that they have links in between people. That's what we understand - at that point, Deckard will know which door he needs to knock on if we wants to be in contact with some people that could help him, that will not be linked with the police, or people that will protect Rachael.
What triggers Luv's tears?
DV: I think that, Luv being a replicant, she is stronger than us, more intelligent, but emotionally she's a bit f**ked up. I mean, she hasn't necessarily experienced, digested emotions and she's confused. She reacts, sometimes, with the wrong emotions toward a situation, and she's over-sensitive like a 12 year-old brat that wants to please her father. She has a massive Oedipus complex with Wallace, she wants to be loved by him, she wants to please him, and she's very crystallised - in that she didn't evolve at all, so she's confused. I love it - I think the way that Sylvia [Hoeks] brought that complexity in the character is beautiful. You feel that she's a designed being. She's not a real being - her emotion patterns are not right. She's fragile.
Have all Resistance members had the horse memory, or just K?
DV: It's a very good question, but no - it's the idea that they heard the legend, they heard the stories and they wish it was them, from their own different levels.
When Lieutenant Joshi has a glass crushed into her hand, she barely reacts - is she a replicant?
DV: No, she's a real human. I never thought someone would ask that question. She's trying to keep her dignity, because she knows she's about to die and that's the strength of humanity, trying to keep your dignity until the end. But I'm happy about this, because the first Blade Runner, that movie is about paranoia, and you doubt the identity of everybody, so if you felt that, I'm very happy.
'Galatians Syndrome' is said to have killed Ana's fake sibling. What is it?
DV: I think it came from [screenwriter] Michael Green's very prolific and insane brain. I asked a thousand questions to Michael when I read the screenplay - a thousand. That one, I did research and discovered it didn't exist. It's a Michael fantasy. I'm positive, I tell you, that you should ask this question to Michael Green. I know there's a specific reason there - everything has a meaning with Michael. And there's things that I know there's a meaning that I cannot say. Like, K's number has a meaning. Everything is a precise thing in the movie.
Did the blackout happen worldwide, or just in North America?
DV: We had a lot of debates about that question. Personally, my answer would be that I think it's worldwide, because it needed to happen everywhere - or if not worldwide, then strong enough in enough places that it changed humans' relationship with the digital world and digital memory. It needed to be big enough, not just regional. Now it depends if you think that the Blade Runner universe is just LA. I always felt that for Michael, Los Angeles was like a bubble, and the Blade Runner universe was inside that bubble. Me? I relate more to Philip K. Dick's novel, where it's about the planet. The countries don't exist anymore, it's more that you have major megapolis that are like countries now. LA is one, New York, Moscow, maybe London, Singapore - you have a few major cities where people are crumbling around spaceports to go up [off-world]. The political system - there's no more relations, it's more like cultural influences are coming from those big urban centres. That's the way I see it - Michael I think is more focused on LA.
How did Wallace go blind?
DV: I think he was born like that.
Why didn't Luv kill K when she abducted Deckard?
DV: The thing is, for her, he isn't "left" there - she thinks he will die. The truth is, there was a scene that was cut out of the movie where it was obvious that she was killing him. She was doing something, but it was so violent that I said "alright, alright, I have to kill some darlings, I have to remove that, it was way too violent." But K's left for dead there. She could have finished him but that would have created problems for the rest of the story [laughs].
If the bees are the only living thing when K reaches Deckard's hideout, what are they living off of?
DV: If you look closely, there's like a bee-feeder science fiction gadget there that we see. The bees are going out of their hives, and they are feeding on a machine that I designed with [production designer] Dennis Gassner, which is like a bee-feeder. It is a machine designed to feed the bees, so the bees can produce honey and feed Deckard. I love the idea that Deckard is a beekeeper - but you cannot raise bees in the desert. The bees were not in the screenplay to be honest, it's an idea we were storyboarding, and I said "yeah, but how do bees live in the desert", and then I came up with the idea for the bee-feeders and Dennis Gassner designed those machines. For me, that's beautiful science-fiction, I must say that I love it - it's not about weapons, it's about a new way of farming.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2018/01/26/blade-runner-2049-director-answers-9-wtf-questions
Awesome answers. Dig every one of them.
I figured the disease was a symbol that the new kid was pure, she couldn't live in the f'd up world of they created.
It still kinda bugs me though - why bees? Why did it specifically need to be bees?
I figured there was some type of symbolism involved, but couldn't figure it out.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2018, 11:39:25 PM
What triggers Luv's tears?
DV: I think that, Luv being a replicant, she is stronger than us, more intelligent, but emotionally she's a bit f**ked up. I mean, she hasn't necessarily experienced, digested emotions and she's confused. She reacts, sometimes, with the wrong emotions toward a situation, and she's over-sensitive like a 12 year-old brat that wants to please her father. She has a massive Oedipus complex with Wallace, she wants to be loved by him, she wants to please him, and she's very crystallised - in that she didn't evolve at all, so she's confused. I love it - I think the way that Sylvia [Hoeks] brought that complexity in the character is beautiful. You feel that she's a designed being. She's not a real being - her emotion patterns are not right. She's fragile.
@tleilaxu - Though the script explains differently, this actually supports your theory why Luv was crying.
DV, the man!
Give this guy 300mio for his Dune, Holewood!
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Jan 27, 2018, 01:57:29 AM
It still kinda bugs me though - why bees? Why did it specifically need to be bees?
I figured there was some type of symbolism involved, but couldn't figure it out.
Quick Wikipedia on Bee mythology seems to fit -
Three bee maidens with the power of divination and thus speaking truth are described in Homer's Hymn to Hermes, and the food of the gods is "identified as honey"; the bee maidens were originally associated with Apollo, and are probably not correctly identified with the Thriae. Honey, according to a Greek myth, was discovered by a nymph called Melissa ("Bee"); and honey was offered to the Greek gods from Mycenean times. Bees were associated, too, with the Delphic oracle and the prophetess was sometimes called a bee.[83]
The image of a community of honey bees has been used from ancient to modern times, in Aristotle and Plato; in Virgil and Seneca; in Erasmus and Shakespeare; Tolstoy, and by political and social theorists such as Bernard Mandeville and Karl Marx as a model for human society.[84] In English folklore, bees would be told of important events in the household, in a custom known as "Telling the bees".[85]
Cannot wait to rewatch this movie, is a work of art.
Was Gona buy the Blu at the shops the other day, but there will probably be a super dooper edition right?
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Quote from: Paranoid Android on Jan 27, 2018, 01:57:29 AM
It still kinda bugs me though - why bees? Why did it specifically need to be bees?
I figured there was some type of symbolism involved, but couldn't figure it out.
Quick Wikipedia on Bee mythology seems to fit -
Three bee maidens with the power of divination and thus speaking truth are described in Homer's Hymn to Hermes, and the food of the gods is "identified as honey"; the bee maidens were originally associated with Apollo, and are probably not correctly identified with the Thriae. Honey, according to a Greek myth, was discovered by a nymph called Melissa ("Bee"); and honey was offered to the Greek gods from Mycenean times. Bees were associated, too, with the Delphic oracle and the prophetess was sometimes called a bee.[83]
The image of a community of honey bees has been used from ancient to modern times, in Aristotle and Plato; in Virgil and Seneca; in Erasmus and Shakespeare; Tolstoy, and by political and social theorists such as Bernard Mandeville and Karl Marx as a model for human society.[84] In English folklore, bees would be told of important events in the household, in a custom known as "Telling the bees".[85]
How does this fit though?
The scene is about K tracking down the man he believed to be his father. This doesn't really fit with 'Food for the Gods' because neither of them is portrayed as one in the film.
The 'Telling the bees' bit kind of sort of fits because K covers his hand in bees and later Deckard tells him about the end of his short-lived family, but the time difference between one scene and the other is so big and so much happens between one scene and the other I feel like I'm really stretching it, which is why I struggle to buy it.
It's funny - watching it again, you get a strong clue that K isn't the child in his memory when he gets to the orphanage: all the boys have their heads shaved, and the girls do not. K, in 'his' memory, had a full head of hair.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Jan 27, 2018, 01:57:29 AM
It still kinda bugs me though - why bees? Why did it specifically need to be bees?
Bees make honey. Honey's good :)
But seriously:
Quote"Blade Runner 2049" continues a story begun on the big screen 35 years ago. This scene is a simple one, with the detective K, played by Ryan Gosling, wandering through an abandoned city. But the director Denis Villeneuve makes it feel ominous. In the video, Mr. Villeneuve discussed his direction for Mr. Gosling ("Walk slower") and in and interview, explained the significance of music used in the sequence. Here are excerpts from the conversation.
What is the music K hears near the end of the scene?
It's a piece from Brahms in A flat (Op. 39 No. 15). I have a very intimate link with this waltz. It's the oldest music I can remember that used to be played by my grandmother when I was a very young kid. And since the movie deals with memory, I wanted to put this personal touch somewhere.
How did you decide that he would come across bees?
There are a lot of problems with bees in the world right now. They are disappearing, so the fact that here you can see those creatures still alive and still present, was for me like a little spark of hope in this dystopian universe.
Could you talk about bathing the scene in this dusty yellow hue?
When my cinematographer, Roger Deakins, and I were thinking, O.K. we're going to get out of Los Angeles and go into another city, we felt a huge responsibility. We thought, how can we stay in the aesthetic of "Blade Runner" in a different atmosphere? We had this idea of a city that has been victim of a nuclear blast, an abandoned city that would be under a blanket of yellow dust. This blanket would create that huge yellow haze over everywhere. The color yellow in the movie is very important. It's a thread that main character is following slowly, and here, I wanted it to be like an explosion of this color surrounding the character, bringing a kind of dreamlike quality to the scene.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/movies/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75OKnM_BKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75OKnM_BKU)
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 27, 2018, 02:44:15 PM
How did you decide that he would come across bees?
There are a lot of problems with bees in the world right now. They are disappearing, so the fact that here you can see those creatures still alive and still present, was for me like a little spark of hope in this dystopian universe.
Thanks! That actually makes sense!
Here's a new game: "Is this Blade Runner or real life"
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South Korea or Japan.
That top one is yonge & Dundas Square, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada...
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Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2018, 11:39:25 PM
What triggers Luv's tears?
DV: I think that, Luv being a replicant, she is stronger than us, more intelligent, but emotionally she's a bit f**ked up. I mean, she hasn't necessarily experienced, digested emotions and she's confused. She reacts, sometimes, with the wrong emotions toward a situation, and she's over-sensitive like a 12 year-old brat that wants to please her father. She has a massive Oedipus complex with Wallace, she wants to be loved by him, she wants to please him, and she's very crystallised - in that she didn't evolve at all, so she's confused. I love it - I think the way that Sylvia [Hoeks] brought that complexity in the character is beautiful. You feel that she's a designed being. She's not a real being - her emotion patterns are not right. She's fragile.
@tleilaxu - Though the script explains differently, this actually supports your theory why Luv was crying.
Yes it does.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 27, 2018, 04:45:06 AM
DV, the man!
Give this guy 300mio for his Dune, Holewood!
Honestly, I feel against this. Not even necessarily because I don't trust DV, but in this day's political climate how would you do a faithful adaptation? People would just label it as either racist/sexist or ""cultural-marxist"" propaganda.
I'd love to carry on that conversation in the Dune thread, and feel that taken as a whole, Dune portrays politics in a very satisfying way. When you read the following books you see that the good guys of today become the tyrants of tomorrow, and that is often how it works in real life.
I think the significance of the bees is simple. Where there are bees, there is polination. Bees don't live without the plants they feed on. Where there are plants and vegetation there is hope for the continuation of life.
QuoteHonestly, I feel against this. Not even necessarily because I don't trust DV, but in this day's political climate how would you do a faithful adaptation? People would just label it as either racist/sexist or ""cultural-marxist"" propaganda.
Game of Thrones? House of Cards?
QuoteWhen you read the following books you see that the good guys of today become the tyrants of tomorrow, and that is often how it works in real life.
Even in the first (the first three) its made pretty clear Pauls upcoming Jihad won't exactly be a soft revolution.
And yeah, Dune thread be better--
Ya, I'm going to try to revive that Dune thread. It's not that old so shouldn't be necroposting...
Interview with Denis.
QuoteIt's great to speak to you again, because last time I'd only seen ten minutes of the film.
It's true, it's true. I'm sorry about that. It was such a painful process. When the movie was released, it was "At last!"
What did you think of the critical reaction to it? That was pretty ecstatic, for the most part.
I felt I was blessed by the gods of cinema! [Laughs] I felt a massive relief. Not for my own ego - seriously - more that the whole enterprise, people understood the intentions. That they felt it was respectful of the first movie, that I deeply loved.
Do you find that when you've worked on something for so long, it's difficult to get a perspective on it? Almost as if, by the time it comes out, you don't even know if it's good or not.
Totally, totally. The way it works is, as a director, I'm working on the project because I've fallen in love with the screenplay or something at the beginning. You know it's there. There's something there that's worth giving two years, three years of your life to the work. You need that - you need that dream at the beginning. Then, as I'm shooting, I try to catch the fire with the camera - you feel it on the set on the day, I know when I've nailed a scene. I know when I've got it. Still, when I go in the editing room there's always one moment where I watch the movie and I feel the emotion that I was looking for. After that, it dissipates, you know? I have to wait a period of time for fate, hoping that it's there. You don't know if other people will feel the same, whether they'll understand the same ideas.
Cinema's like poetry, you know? It's a proposition. So it was a big relief to see it from another perspective. Sorry, I'm so jet lagged right now. I have no distance, that's the thing. I finished the movie, and the next day the movie was out, so I had no distance. It's a long process: there are joys, there are angers. You see your wins and your failures. A movie's never perfect - you know where you did good and where you should have done better. I'm in the process of making peace, of digesting the whole experience right now. But I'm relieved about the way the movie was received, yes.
I remember you saying that as part of the process of visualising the film, you spent quite a long time in a hotel room with Roger Deakins, storyboarding the whole thing. But at the time I couldn't ask you to what extent storyboarding changed the script. Did it change much as you visualise it?
Yeah, yeah. Not the story - one thing I'd say is that I had all the freedom in the world, but in telling a specific story. So I didn't say, suddenly, "Oh, Deckard and K are starting to hunt elephants", you know? [Laughs] I stayed in a very specific playground. So I didn't change the nature of the story, but inside the scenes themselves, the storyboarding is a process. It's a very beautiful process of rewriting the scenes, because you approach it as transforming the words into images. So it's a transformative process. Sometimes, you have an idea and it'll erase two pages of script, because it says the same thing [without resorting to words].
The way it works is that, I work on the screenplay with Michael, and then I work on the storyboard with Roger, and then from those storyboards we work on the screenplay again. Then everybody knows where we would go. It's a thing I was saying on Arrival to my film crew: follow the storyboard, don't follow the script. That's the process I did on Blade Runner: we did the storyboards and then transformed the screenplay again.
One of the scenes that sticks in my mind, now I've seen it twice, is the baseline test. It's one of those things where it's almost impossible to put into words why it's so disturbing. The repetitions...
That's one of my favourite scenes. And it's a scene that [sums up] why I love cinema. The original screenplay had the idea of a test - I think the movie started with the test right at the beginning. I decided the test should be [later] - I wanted to open the movie on a landscape, not in a confined environment. I didn't want to start microscopic, in [K's] brain - I wanted to open the movie on a landscape, I thought that was very important.
Then I wanted the test to be the opposite of before - not something they do before going into action, but afterwards. They do the test once they've been in through a traumatic event. Originally, the test was supposed to be someone nearby, and [K] on a bed with a machine scanning. I thought, no. That's a scene that came through the storyboarding process; Roger Deakins and I thought it would be much more interesting if it was a very claustrophobic little booth, with a strange scanner in front of him, and we will never see the cop who's asking the questions. It'll be much more brutal, much more impersonal, much more inhuman - almost like he's an animal in a laboratory. I thought that would be much more violent, and that it would say more about K's place in society. How he's just an object to them. And that replicants are so strong, the door out of the booth has to be very well locked, you know? [Laughs] In case something goes wrong, they're safe. He's an animal in a cage. How vulnerable he is in that environment.
The scanner was designed by our storyboard artist, Sam Hudecki. So it's really a scene that came from strong ideas that were from Michael Green, that I transformed with Deakins and Sam as we worked.
Then I was talking about the scene with Ryan Gosling, and at the beginning, Michael had this beautiful idea, which was that the replicants who are working for the police have to go through a baseline test where they have to say a poem. The way the words are creating an emotion inside them, it would be like a way to gauge whether they're still on track or not. If they're still aligned from an emotional point of view, if they're still reliable.
In the original [script] it was just a mantra he was repeating. But I felt that wasn't intrusive, wasn't aggressive enough, and Ryan came up with this idea when we were brainstorming. He came up with this process that actors use to learn Shakespeare, where you say a word, then they repeat the word, and then someone would ask a question about that word. It's to induce specific memories linked with a word, so they remember the word forever. I transformed that process to make it intrusive, where instead of having someone repeating a long, long sentence, they will be more aggressive - they're asking questions about specific words.
We did both versions, and the new version was so strong - everybody loved it - so that new baseline test became the one you see in the movie. It was about three days into shooting, and I said to Ryan Gosling, "That's exactly the kind of movie I want to make. That's the exact kind of tension, brutality, aggression I want."
It reminds me of the movies I loved from the 70s, the science fiction that is very aggressive and brutal.
It reminds me a bit of THX-1138.
Yeah! Exactly. Yeah. And I said I deeply love that, and the studio totally loved it, too.
I like what you say about tension. Because there's so much ambiguity in the film - so much goes unsaid that you're constantly reading cues from the characters. One of the things I've been talking to my friends about is Joi - how artificial is she? How much inner life does she have?
The thing is, she's a hologram coming out of a program designed to fulfill desire. Everything you want to see, everything you want to hear. You buy a Joi, and if you want to use her for dancing, she will be a great dancer. If you want her to read books, she'll be good at reading. K wants to be human, so she will want to be emancipated. She will be more emotional, more vulnerable. She's like his subconscious - like Jimminy Cricket. K's Pinocchio, you know? He wants to be a real boy, and he has that cricket around him that is whispering in his ear. It's a beautiful character, and she has the film noir quality of a femme fatale. The beautiful woman who turns out at the end to be all wrong - it was all a lie. I like that character a lot. The challenge was, she has to be artificial but I always want the audience to feel like she's real.
And I wanted the hologram to feel analogue, strangely. Like she's some photographic, strange new technology.
That leads into the great scene where K looks up at the advert for Joi. Again, he doesn't say anything; you have to read the scene through his expression.
That's why I needed Ryan Gosling, an actor who can convey a lot with his eyes. Not doing a lot, just being in front of the camera. A very strong actor. I love those scenes, where you feel the presence of the character. Otherwise it's just television!
Yeah, definitely. What do you think cinema can do in the face of television, as more and more people watch films at home? Actually getting people to go out to see a movie seems to be getting more and more difficult.
Um, I think... you know in the 70s, there were movies that got people in theatres, and those movies were designed to be massive, collective experiences, like Jaws. Star Wars. We are in another time where we have to do the same - we have to design movies that are immersive and powerful, that provide an experience you can't have on an iPhone. Cinema movies have to be strong. That's what I'll say for now; we have to push in the other direction - we have to go IMAX, we have to go Atmos sound. I think the theatrical experience will stay; it will diminish, but there's nothing like that collective experience. I still remember vividly seeing Pulp Fiction with a thousand people - you can't beat that, you know? Or recently, when I saw Dunkirk on a big screen. You can't see Dunkirk on your TV - it's not the same thing.
That's the thing about Blade Runner is that it's big and widescreen, but also intimate. Do you think that was difficult to get across in a trailer?
It was a nightmare, the marketing of this movie. I agreed with the studio to protect the script as much as possible, to make sure the plot points would not be revealed. Then the audience will have nice surprises. I think it was great that they tried to protect it. Personally, I would have shared the movie with film critics earlier; I was an advocate for that. How can I say - I stand by the film and I wanted to share it. But it was a difficult movie to market, and it was difficult to know how much people knew about the Blade Runner world - how much people knew, and how many saw the first movie, but a long time ago. It was tough to gauge that. In a way, the marketing had to educate people and bring back memories of this universe. But I don't want to be critical; it's easier to talk after the fact, you know?
I wonder if the thing with modern trailers is the way they tend to be edited. People expect to see lots of fast cuts in a trailer, and Blade Runner isn't like that.
It's true, it's true. It's difficult when the trailer doesn't reflect the object. The way it's done now is that the marketing's done as you're making the movie, and as a director I can't do both. But I think about that - how to market a movie!
You once said you learn something new on every film you make and take that onto the next. What do you think you've learned from making Blade Runner?
I've learned a lot of things. When you make a movie you have a dream at the beginning, and you have to communicate the dream to so many people in order to make a movie like Blade Runner. It's not just a few people, it's a few thousand - I'm not exaggerating. So the way you communicate, the way you express... I've learned a lot. A lot of things about how to communicate your vision.
It's a little war, and I'm ready to do it - I know how to do it now. Before I was a bit naive. [Laugh]
See, James Cameron said filmmaking's war, but you don't seem like a hard, taskmaster kind of filmmaker to me. Certainly not aggressive.
I'm not aggressive, but... I'm firm, solid I think. I'm not an angry director! [Laughs]
Do you know what you're making next? Is it definitely Dune?
I'd love to [make Dune]. The truth about filmmaking is that you know you're making a movie once it's six in the morning and you're behind the camera and you have your crew and you say, "Action!" Before that, anything can happen, you know? I'm writing a screenplay right now, and having a great time. Will the studio like what I'm doing right now? I've no idea. Will we find the right actors? Will we find the money? Maybe I'll see you in six months and I'll be unemployed! [Laughs]
That'll never happen. I'll give you some money and you can make films for me. Denis Villeneuve, thank you very much.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/blade-runner/54995/denis-villeneuve-interview-blade-runner-2049-marketing-and-design
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 03, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
Interview with Denis.
You're doin' a man's job, sir!
Just copy/paste :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 03, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
Just copy/paste :)
Understood! I'm just a lazy sod who doesn't like going around lookin' for this stuff. :P
Anyone get the bluray yet? How are the special features?
The first two minidocs (about 20 mins apiece) are good, getting into pretty good depth. The other (5?) extra-short docs are strictly surface, EPK material, made for hype only and often showing the exact same shots over and over again. Then the three short viral films are there, and you've probably seen those. No audio commentary. Download code included as usual.
I've got the 3D/2D combo version, which looks wonderful and I understand is also quite rare. So if you're at all into 3D, you might want to jump on that version if you see it.
In all, a perfectly serviceable release... but we're gonna have to wait a few years before we get a real 'tear the lid off' Lauzirika-style documentary (if we ever do).
Arriving tomorrow I'll have the special edition that comes with the 4K, BluRay, digital and Whisky glasses and I'll have the BluRay set that comes with the bonus disc and art cards.
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According to variety.com, apparently BR2049's home video sales is doing great......
"Blade Runner 2049 remained No. 1 on both NPD VideoScan's overall disc sales chart, which tracks combined DVD and Blu-ray Disc sales, and the dedicated Blu-ray Disc sales chart. Blade Runner 2049 remains a big hit on Blu-ray Disc, with 64% of its second-week sales coming from the high-definition format, down from 76% its debut week. Fifteen percent of total unit sales came from the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray, down from 23% the prior week – a record for first-week sales of a major theatrical title on disc."
That's great to hear. It's one of those movies that is worthwhile to just have and enjoy.
I bought two different versions so they've had £60 out of me already, not to mention I saw it 3 times in the cinema lol
Didn't get the disc, however I have the HDX (Vudu's equivalent of Bluray) copy, but it includes all 12 extras / featurettes.
I want a director's commentary!!
Ghost in the Shell, which I consider a similar film stylistically also didn't give me the director's commentary which sucks!
Empire podcast with Denis.
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/blade-runner-2049-spoiler-special-ft-denis-villeneuve
https://torontolife.com/culture/art/20-year-old-photographer-makes-toronto-look-like-futuristic-blade-runner-cityscape/
This pretty cool...
Johann Johannsson died at the age of 48.
RIP
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Feb 07, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
Didn't get the disc, however I have the HDX (Vudu's equivalent of Bluray) copy, but it includes all 12 extras / featurettes.
Here's what I have with extras.
I got the Blu-ray which also had an included option for an iTunes digital version which I got.
* On iTunes & the Blu-ray I have the two documentaries; "Designing the world" and "To Be Human".
As well as "Blade Runner 101" which has 6 featurettes.
And the 3 Prologues.
* That's 11 things. Do you have another extra which I can get jealous about? (LOL)
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 07:14:44 PM
* That's 11 things. Do you have another extra which I can get jealous about? (LOL)
Here are the titles of the 12 extras on my digital copy....
1 - Designing - The World of Blade Runner 2049
2 - To Be Human - Casting Blade Runner 2049
3 - Prologues 2048 - Nowhere to Run
4 - Blade Runner 101 - Blade Runners
5 - Blade Runner 101 - The Replicant Evolution
6 - Blade Runner 101 - The Rise of Wallace Corps
7 - Blade Runner 101 - Welcome to 2049
8 - Blade Runner 101 - Jois
9 - Blade Runner 101 - Spinners, Pilotfish, and Barracudas
10 - Prologues: 2022 - Black Out
11 - Two Became One
12 - Fights of the Future - Action of Blade Runner 2049
Maybe they combined a couple as one title on the BR disc?
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Feb 10, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 07:14:44 PM
* That's 11 things. Do you have another extra which I can get jealous about? (LOL)
Here are the titles of the 12 extras on my digital copy....
1 - Designing - The World of Blade Runner 2049
2 - To Be Human - Casting Blade Runner 2049
3 - Prologues 2048 - Nowhere to Run
4 - Blade Runner 101 - Blade Runners
5 - Blade Runner 101 - The Replicant Evolution
6 - Blade Runner 101 - The Rise of Wallace Corps
7 - Blade Runner 101 - Welcome to 2049
8 - Blade Runner 101 - Jois
9 - Blade Runner 101 - Spinners, Pilotfish, and Barracudas
10 - Prologues: 2022 - Black Out
11 - Two Became One
12 - Fights of the Future - Action of Blade Runner 2049
Maybe they combined a couple as one title on the BR disc?
Boy this is strange. Thanks for the list.
Here's what I've got.
1 - Designing - The World of Blade Runner 2049
2 - To Be Human - Casting Blade Runner 2049
3 - Prologues: 2022 - Black Out
4 - Prologues: 2036 - Nexus Down
5 - Prologues 2048 - Nowhere to Run
6 - Blade Runner 101 - Blade Runners
7 - Blade Runner 101 - The Replicant Evolution
8 - Blade Runner 101 - The Rise of Wallace Corps
9 - Blade Runner 101 - Welcome to 2049
10 - Blade Runner 101 - Jois
11 - Blade Runner 101 - Spinners, Pilotfish, and Barracudas
I don't see;
- Two Became One
- Fights of the Future - Action of Blade Runner 2049
What I've found out from looking around is that those 2 extras vary depending on the country.
For instance this reddit chat has a picture of a cover that says there is a bonus disk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bladerunner/comments/7qq1es/i_already_have_the_br2049_blu_ray_ama/
I can't find that bonus disk on a US release.
But this British site lists that content.
http://bbfc.co.uk/releases/blade-runner-2049-added-value-video
Oh well. That's US capitalism for yeah.
;)
PS. More discussion about this (with some details) on blu ray.com
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=296817&page=70
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
What I've found out from looking around is that those 2 extras vary depending on the country.
For instance this reddit chat has a picture of a cover that says there is a bonus disk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bladerunner/comments/7qq1es/i_already_have_the_br2049_blu_ray_ama/
This is Australian release.
(https://i.imgur.com/pxUByIc.jpg)
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-shows/movies-tv-shows-on-sale/sci-fi/blade-runner-2049/499482/
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
What I've found out from looking around is that those 2 extras vary depending on the country.
Different countries must be it. I have the Lichtenstein version.
. . . . . I'm jokin'. Bought it on VUDU streaming.
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
I don't see; - Two Became One - Fights of the Future - Action of Blade Runner 2049
You're kidding! Those two extras are by far the very best of the bunch!
I'm jokin' again. Dammit I can't stop.
Jokes aside, Two Become One is footage you've already seen in the film while Denis and actors talk about Joi and Mariette merging as one to have a ménage à trois with Agent K. Nothing really more insightful than what you would expect.
Fights of the Future - Shows the actors practicing the various fist fights. Nothing you haven't already seen in dozens of other behind the scenes fist fight footage. Over time, I started steering away from packages with extras because I felt like I was just watching the same extras over and over again but just for a different movie.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 10, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Johann Johannsson died at the age of 48.
RIP
Jesus, so young. Do you know what killed him? The articles I've seen don't mention it.
He was found dead in Berlin on Friday but I couldn't find any more information about what had happened.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Feb 10, 2018, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
What I've found out from looking around is that those 2 extras vary depending on the country.
Different countries must be it. I have the Lichtenstein version.
. . . . . I'm jokin'. Bought it on VUDU streaming.
Quote from: bb-15 on Feb 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
I don't see; - Two Became One - Fights of the Future - Action of Blade Runner 2049
You're kidding! Those two extras are by far the very best of the bunch!
I'm jokin' again. Dammit I can't stop.
Jokes aside, Two Become One is footage you've already seen in the film while Denis and actors talk about Joi and Mariette merging as one to have a ménage à trois with Agent K. Nothing really more insightful than what you would expect.
Fights of the Future - Shows the actors practicing the various fist fights. Nothing you haven't already seen in dozens of other behind the scenes fist fight footage. Over time, I started steering away from packages with extras because I felt like I was just watching the same extras over and over again but just for a different movie.
I like the jokes. :laugh:
Thanks for the summary of those two extras.
I feel better. (Whew!)
;)
Just got this. Looking forward to enjoying it...
Here's some great sounds from Alan Splet that I mixed into a part of "Blade Runner" 2049. (Note: The audio samples I edited are from two separate scenes in David Lynch's "Blue Velvet" film).
(0:00): Sylvia Hoeks enters the apartment with moody and ominous sounds.
(0:08): Sylvia kicks open Gosling's door that I edited to match the sound of Kyle MacLachlan opening a fire escape... I also looped and layered Alan Splet's buzzing noises (that occur later in "Blue Velvet") to give the illusion of what Ryan Gosling's apartment should sound like.
(0:17): The music from "Blue Velvet" really worked well here. (I did have to cut a half a second before this shot for better sync and flow).
(0:23): I edited another ambient drone by Alan Splet for more impact on ending shot.
Credits:
Sound Designer: Alan Splet
"Blue Velvet" (1986) - Directed by David Lynch
The images are owned by:
© Warner Bros. Entertainment
Here's the original audio that played during this scene with Sylvia Hoeks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQDif3tjUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQDif3tjUg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9TPvrXq0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9TPvrXq0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-hiMOGGmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-hiMOGGmk)
2049 wins best cinematography and best special visual effects at BAFTA.
Nice!
It's sad this movie didn't do well enough, it's one of my favorite sci-fi movies easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ovXzyzF0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ovXzyzF0Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWKExCTjcAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWKExCTjcAI)
Finally! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxGgaJVoJ_U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxGgaJVoJ_U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te0uFLMcik8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te0uFLMcik8)
Well deserved! They got visual effects, too. Real surprised they didn't get sound design, but I don't think I saw any of its competitors, so...
Very nice. Glad BR got an Oscar. Hope when I look at this page tomorrow morning there will be more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mx5Jfm2WbY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mx5Jfm2WbY)
Man... so much amazing detail, barely glimpsed.
.
Here's a clip from "Blade Runner 2049" with background sounds I mixed from "Alien Isolation". For this scene I'm trying to convey the strange and subtle sounds you would hear in K's apartment. (This is similar to Jim Shields' medbay sample used in Deckard's bedroom). (Details):
1. (0:10) Removed loud noise from the background. (I also reworked part of the sound when she gets dressed to replace the original audio).
2. (0:21) Ambient noise fits nicely in this shot. (I tried to sync all the ambient audio for more emotional effect).
3. (0:42) I removed Joi's startup sound that didn't fit with the background track.... I also edited some of the footstep sounds to fill in for the missing audio. (Note: Joi's startup sound is "Peter's Theme" by Prokofiev).
4. (1:08) Here's a good scene that worked well with the atmospheric track.
5. (1:24) I edited the sound of Gosling setting the coffee pot on the stove. (The loud sound of the door closing was also removed).
6. (1:29) Joi enters the kitchen with atmospheric sounds I synced for emotional impact.
Credits:
The "Bunk House Hotel" ambient track (from Solomons Galleria) by:
Sound Designers: Byron Bullock and Sam Cooper
(Created at Pinewood Studios and Creative Assembly).
.
Pretty nicely done.
What id love to see, is some brilliant fan take on the challenge of substituting the music of BR2049 with some of Vangelis vast repertoire. It would be too simple to just superimpose the original BR soundtrack onto the new film. I'm talking about delving into some of Vangelis' classics like Albedo 0.39 and others. It would be awesome...
Is there no real artbook by the way? Cause i hear the one thats out there is (over) 70% movie- and behind-the-scenes-stills?
What are the chances that Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 get continuation in the form of novels like Predator and Alien?
Blade runner already had several continuations
Wish those Blade Runner novels would get reprints.
I actually reached out to Titan Books and they said that they didn't have the rights to them.
Did you read 'em, though? I read the first two, and they were... interesting. But not necessarily in a good way.
Anyway, your local library might have 'em!
QuoteBlade Runner universe to be explored in series of comics and graphic novels
EW can exclusively reveal that Alcon Media Group and London-based Titan Publishing are partnering in a new co-publishing venture which will initially focus on the Blade Runner universe. Alcon, along with Sony Pictures, produced last year's Blade Runner 2049, a sequel to director Ridley Scott's 1982 science fiction film Blade Runner. That latter movie starred Harrison Ford as the titular character, who tracks rogue synthetic humans. Ford returned for the sequel, which costarred Ryan Gosling. Titan is known for publishing movie and TV tie-in books, including an array of Doctor Who titles and novels set in the Marvel and DC universes.
In a joint statement by Alcon co-founders and co-CEOs Broderick Johnson and Andrew Kosove, and Titan's co-founders, Nick Landau and Vivian Cheung, the partners stated that the companies will develop and publish a variety of both fiction and non-fiction print media. The program will feature new, in canon comics and graphic novels that dive deeper into the Blade Runner world as well as a variety of publications focused on the visual and technical sides of the production process.
Editorial duties will be handled by Titan's David Manley-Leach, and Alcon's director of publishing, Jeff Conner.
"In partnering with the exceptional Titan Comics and Titan Books, we're confident that the world of Blade Runner will continue to organically grow in a way that refuses to sacrifice the quality, tone and high standards of this beloved property," said Kosove and Johnson, in a statement.
"We are extremely excited to be publishing Blade Runner comics and illustrated books," said Titan publishers Nick Landau and Vivian Cheung. "The Blade Runner universe has barely been explored; there is so much more there. It's an honour to be bringing this world to life in new ways for a new audience – and to reveal tales from that universe that you've never seen before."
http://ew.com/books/2018/07/12/blade-runner-comics/
Excellent. Truly can't wait to see what we get from this.
I'm onboard. If we got another film, it would be as un-2049-like as possible, to try and make money. I just want more 2049-like stylish, good stories. :)
I'm surprised Dark Horse didn't jump on this opportunity. It all sounds pretty cool on the surface. I'll probably give this a go in TPB form.
They should reprint the original marvel comics as a TPB as well...
Then we could finally get the only cinematic universe merge that would feel genuine; Alien and Blade Runner.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 14, 2018, 02:38:10 AM
Then we could finally get the only cinematic universe merge that would feel genuine; Alien and Blade Runner.
We can only hope.
Production journal of
Blade Runner 2049 by producer
Cynthia Yorkin:
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-production-journal-cynthia-yorkin/#dave-bautista
QuoteMeanwhile, we are all still working on coming up with a title for the film. I read a list of suggestions and wasn't grabbed by anything, so I made some notes on words that had depth and meaning for me. I went to bed thinking about it and woke up in the middle of the night with the idea "Blade Runner: Time to Live". It felt right. A play on words that refers to Roy Batty's line from the first film "Time to die" – one of the most important and beloved scenes in the original. "Time to Live" foreshadows what our film is about – the replicants in the first film were never given the chance to live. It's an homage with many layers, and it's poetic.
Rumour:
QuoteIt would be entirely plausible for a new cult franchise from the big screen to be adapted in series form. But so far, the information is nothing more than a rumor to be taken with a pinch of salt (although it comes from Roger Friedman, veteran Hollywood journalist). That said, it's definitely caught our attention. According to the American pundit, the producers of Blade Runner 2049 are planning to continue the saga as a series, despite the semi-commercial failure of the sequel directed by Denis Villeneuve (the film won two Oscars but only just covered its 150 million dollar production costs from international ticket sales).
http://www.konbini.com/en/entertainment-2/a-blade-runner-2049-series-is-reported-to-be-in-development/
Excellent.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Production journal of Blade Runner 2049 by producer Cynthia Yorkin:
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-production-journal-cynthia-yorkin/#dave-bautista
QuoteMeanwhile, we are all still working on coming up with a title for the film. I read a list of suggestions and wasn't grabbed by anything, so I made some notes on words that had depth and meaning for me. I went to bed thinking about it and woke up in the middle of the night with the idea "Blade Runner: Time to Live". It felt right. A play on words that refers to Roy Batty's line from the first film "Time to die" – one of the most important and beloved scenes in the original. "Time to Live" foreshadows what our film is about – the replicants in the first film were never given the chance to live. It's an homage with many layers, and it's poetic.
Rumour:
QuoteIt would be entirely plausible for a new cult franchise from the big screen to be adapted in series form. But so far, the information is nothing more than a rumor to be taken with a pinch of salt (although it comes from Roger Friedman, veteran Hollywood journalist). That said, it's definitely caught our attention. According to the American pundit, the producers of Blade Runner 2049 are planning to continue the saga as a series, despite the semi-commercial failure of the sequel directed by Denis Villeneuve (the film won two Oscars but only just covered its 150 million dollar production costs from international ticket sales).
http://www.konbini.com/en/entertainment-2/a-blade-runner-2049-series-is-reported-to-be-in-development/
I hope that this is true!
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Production journal of Blade Runner 2049 by producer Cynthia Yorkin:
Do you know who Cynthia Yorkin was?
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
According to the American pundit, the producers of Blade Runner 2049 are planning to continue the saga as a series, despite the semi-commercial failure of the sequel directed by Denis Villeneuve (the film won two Oscars but only just covered its 150 million dollar production costs from international ticket sales).
Story I heard was that the series will be continued in comic book form. Either way, I'll give it a miss.
If they do a series, I hope it takes place half on Earth, and half in the colonies. We really need to get out there.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Production journal of Blade Runner 2049 by producer Cynthia Yorkin:
Do you know who Cynthia Yorkin was?
She was a producer of
BR2049.
... and then the eventual crossover with the mooted Alien TV Series ;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Production journal of Blade Runner 2049 by producer Cynthia Yorkin:
Do you know who Cynthia Yorkin was?
She was a producer of BR2049.
Not to mention being the Wife of the producer of the original Blade Runner (Bud Yorkin).
Quote from: Prez on Oct 11, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
... and then the eventual crossover with the mooted Alien TV Series ;)
And it all ties into the old Total Recall 2070 series.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 11, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: Prez on Oct 11, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
... and then the eventual crossover with the mooted Alien TV Series ;)
And it all ties into the old Total Recall 2070 series.
Yep and Sean Connery's (annoying) son from Outland is following in his father's footsteps working as a deep space law enforcement officer.
Sean Connery's son was impaled by a safety support on the way back to Earth, never knew what hit him.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 12, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Sean Connery's son was impaled by a safety support on the way back to Earth, never knew what hit him.
They sent in USCMC Sgt. Todd 3465 to clean that mess up.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 12, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Sean Connery's son was impaled by a safety support on the way back to Earth, never knew what hit him.
That was a random company mercenary in his capsule.
Quote from: Prez on Oct 12, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 11, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: Prez on Oct 11, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
... and then the eventual crossover with the mooted Alien TV Series ;)
And it all ties into the old Total Recall 2070 series.
Yep and Sean Connery's (annoying) son from Outland is following in his father's footsteps working as a deep space law enforcement officer.
God, that kid. I normally give child actors a free pass, but I just watched this again the other night and that kid is
insufferable. I could easily see Sean glaring suspiciously at the mailman after that child was born. :D
I think you mean suschspiciously :D :D :D
I loved both TR2070 & Soldier. I kinda want to see what a TV series which incorporated them both. As well as BR & 2049 could be like.
Aside from most likely awful.
Quote from: N-Shifter on Oct 11, 2018, 11:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Production journal of Blade Runner 2049 by producer Cynthia Yorkin:
Do you know who Cynthia Yorkin was?
She was a producer of BR2049.
Not to mention being the Wife of the producer of the original Blade Runner (Bud Yorkin).
Indeed. Bud was also a producer on 2049 till he passed away. I suspect his presence was the real reason Scott declined to direct.
Very controversial thesis 8th :) Scott said he had a busy schedule and directed Covenant. Why his presence made Scott decline to direct?
Didn't you read Future Noir Ingwar?
Ages ago. But I understand where you're coming from. If I'm correct they didn't like each other but it was long time ago and we all know that Scott's a tough motherf**ker :)
I don't think Riddles wanted to risk getting fired half-way through the production again. :laugh:
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 12, 2018, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Prez on Oct 12, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 11, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: Prez on Oct 11, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
... and then the eventual crossover with the mooted Alien TV Series ;)
And it all ties into the old Total Recall 2070 series.
Yep and Sean Connery's (annoying) son from Outland is following in his father's footsteps working as a deep space law enforcement officer.
God, that kid. I normally give child actors a free pass, but I just watched this again the other night and that kid is insufferable. I could easily see Sean glaring suspiciously at the mailman after that child was born. :D
They covered this kid in detail on one of the Alien Minute podcasts during Aliens. Was absolutely hilarious :-)
One of the best sequels of all time next to Aliens.
Hear, hear.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 14, 2018, 08:50:48 AM
One of the best sequels of all time next to Aliens.
Amen, brother.
I'll second that and go further by saying it's the best film I've seen in the past decade (since The Dark Knight).
I'd agree with that, ticks all the right boxes for me. I was amazed at how much i ended up adoring the movie.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Just thought I'd leave this here.
Before I get any hate, I own the movie and love it! Just thought this was a hilarious take on negative reviews. He does raise a few good points though.
I love Blade Runner Blackout.
Agreed. What a great anime short.
Imagine if we got an anthology of shorts like this but set in the Alien universe. That would be so great.
Watching this again ( bloody great) , the Sulaco is in there? That's crazy and very cool ! I missed that the first time.
Well it's obviously not THE Sulaco, but samey. Anyone else notice that?
You can bet your ass I noticed it. :D
I think that's intended to be Wallace's ship considering where it's parked.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
You can bet your ass I noticed it. :D
I think that's intended to be Wallace's ship considering where it's parked.
Yeah, I was like that looks like... Wha....
I like that Easter egg a lot.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 12, 2019, 01:51:44 PM
Watching this again ( bloody great) , the Sulaco is in there? That's crazy and very cool ! I missed that the first time.
Well it's obviously not THE Sulaco, but samey. Anyone else notice that?
What point of the movie is this in?????
How can you overlook it :D
At least inspired by the Sulaco...
(https://i.redd.it/ccx781j8d4901.jpg)
There was an "Engineer android" as well if you missed it:D
(https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/blade-runner-prometheus-2.jpg)
Easter eggs AND/or some more references for a crossover universe.
That's not a reference to the Engineers, just a design coincidence in which both share their influence with Marble statues.
Or.... maybe that was intentional to make you ask these questions..
I believe the others are intentional, so perhaps- it is intentional resemblance but it's not a Engineer.
If you know what I mean.
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
Sadly not, instead we have AVP...
No, different studios own the rights.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
Sadly not, instead we have AVP...
No, different studios own the rights.
Hmmm. Damn. Well, I don't think avp itself is bad. Dark horse has done many good stories with it. But the avp made by Fox is trash. No argument there.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
The Tyrell Corporation exists in both at least (as seen in
Aliens).
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
No.
Quote from: irn on Feb 12, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
The Tyrell Corporation exists in both at least (as seen in Aliens).
The quick Tyrell Easter Egg in
Aliens is just that -- an Easter Egg.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
When you think about it, there isn't really any reason for the Marines to be human.
Well... That depends upon how much freedom you want to give Synthetics or Replicants, do you want to arm them? Maybe, but only under specific circumstances.
Quote from: irn on Feb 12, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
The Tyrell Corporation exists in both at least (as seen in Aliens).
It isn't seen in Aliens.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 12, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: irn on Feb 12, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
So is it official that Blade Runner and Alien for sure exist in the same universe?
The Tyrell Corporation exists in both at least (as seen in Aliens).
The quick Tyrell Easter Egg in Aliens is just that -- an Easter Egg.
IMO, one's an Easter Egg, half a dozen's a relationship.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
That's not a reference to the Engineers, just a design coincidence in which both share their influence with Marble statues.
I thought the figure in the tank was the same model as Sapper Morton?
Quote from: SM on Feb 13, 2019, 02:41:02 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
That's not a reference to the Engineers, just a design coincidence in which both share their influence with Marble statues.
I thought the figure in the tank was the same model as Sapper Morton?
That's what I thought too. But that's defo a nod to the conestoga class design (mind you always felt the Earth Forces battle cruisers in Babylon 5 looked similar too and the Leonov from 2010 as well).
Still remember how excited I got when I watching BR2049 for the first time in the cinema and seeing that ship (same excitement I got when I saw the Xeno skull in Predator 2 at the flicks).
When in the film was this?
Thank you.
It's when joy ? And K are going to the orphanage, she's looking out the window.
Also I thought one of the replicants in the tank was David Beutista , alpha male I think it said.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 13, 2019, 06:05:47 AM
It's when joy ? And K are going to the orphanage, she's looking out the window.
Also I thought one of the replicants in the tank was David Beutista , alpha male I think it said.
That I do remember, and I believe it was the same body model.
Indeed, I was only saying in terms of concept both the models in the tanks and the Prometheus Engineers share an influence. "Nothing more."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ew.com/movies/2019/02/22/blade-runner-comic-blade-runner-2019/amp/
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Blade Runner 2019
Oh awesome, I did not know there was a Blade Runner comic in the works.
Wonderful news. I read my Marvel Blade Runner comics to death, back in the day.
Weird character names, but hey, so was K. :P
Interesting. Go on...
Ash eh? ;)
You also see what they did there eh?
Nice Pokémon reference.. :laugh:
Do we presume that the skin, the lung, the bone and the heart are the replicants that ash is tasked to retire?
Most likely, seems they're probably a team like Roy Batty's group- judging by the names.
Does Alien3 happen in the Blade Runner universe too then? How does the egg appear in the Sulaco in Blade Runner then?
Wot
Looks like he's gone twitchy on us.
That could never happen to you and me with our behavioural inhibitors.
This is a really cool introspective on Luv's character that I stumbled upon. What do you guys think?
http://thegildedcentury.tumblr.com/post/182984953654/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-luv-the (http://thegildedcentury.tumblr.com/post/182984953654/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-luv-the)
Totally agree, loved Luv right from my first viewing.
Nice article. I wonder how Wallace reacted when he found out his best angel was defeated?
Honestly? Probably didn't care, Replicants are disposable to him- probably people too. Just angered that he didn't find the child. He thinks that Deckard and Luv drowned at sea anyway.
https://twitter.com/OnlyFilmMedia/status/1099791727827865602
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/sean-youngs-candid-polaroids-from-behind-the-scenes-of-blade-runner/
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Adorable.
Those are wonderful! Thanks for sharing. :)
QuoteTitan Comics has unveiled a first-look cover for Blade Runner 2019, a brand new in-canon comic set during the exact timeframe of the original Blade Runner film from director Ridley Scott. Here's the cover from Stanley "Artgerm" Lau, which depicts the new Blade Runner, Ash...
Blade Runner 2019 is being written by acclaimed Blade Runner 2049 screenwriter Michael Green (Logan) and veteran collaborator Mike Johnson (Star Trek, Superman/Batman), with interior art from Andres Guinaldo (Justice League Dark, Captain America). It is part of a line of original comics and graphic novels by Alcon Media and Titan, which will add to the expanding canon of the Blade Runner universe.
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https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2019/03/meet-ash-on-first-cover-for-blade-runner-2019/
Cover art looks okay, bit of a manga vibe. Notice Rachael's shadow. Like the fact that it's set in the original film's universe. Though I see the interior art will be done by someone else.
But what we all really want is a Dangerous Days comic: ;D
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U N F
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The ART!!!
Maybe they could adapt Stuart Hazeldine's unproduced sequel script from the 90s. It wasn't very good, but I doubt that would stop anyone.
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Hah, haven't seen it before.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 15, 2019, 05:40:40 PM
QuoteTitan Comics has unveiled a first-look cover for Blade Runner 2019, a brand new in-canon comic set during the exact timeframe of the original Blade Runner film from director Ridley Scott. Here's the cover from Stanley "Artgerm" Lau, which depicts the new Blade Runner, Ash...
Blade Runner 2019 is being written by acclaimed Blade Runner 2049 screenwriter Michael Green (Logan) and veteran collaborator Mike Johnson (Star Trek, Superman/Batman), with interior art from Andres Guinaldo (Justice League Dark, Captain America). It is part of a line of original comics and graphic novels by Alcon Media and Titan, which will add to the expanding canon of the Blade Runner universe.
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https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2019/03/meet-ash-on-first-cover-for-blade-runner-2019/
I am really loving this.
I adore it, gorgeous
a e s t h e t i c.
When I (rarely) buy comics, I usually wait for trade paperbacks. But I think I'm gonna buy this one issue-by-issue.
https://amp.classicfm.com/music-news/vangelis-soundtrack-blade-runner-royal-albert-hall/
Vangelis' iconic soundtrack
'Blade Runner' -live concert.
Unfortunately the Man himself will not be performing. You stand a better chance of seeing a live unicorn than seeing Vangelis play live.
Indeed, unfortunately.
Not bought a comic in ages, but I'll be picking them up. Any dates?
QuoteYou stand a better chance of seeing a live unicorn than seeing Vangelis play live.
Just as hard to get an interview with him:
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1110593736977928193 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1110593736977928193)
One of the reasons I love Vagelis. The man does not do schedules, he does not do the circus. He makes music. That's it. On his terms.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/blade-runner-2019-comic-book-series-receives-gorgeous-cover-art-alongside-all-new-details-a167719
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Cannot wait for this book to launch.
Yessir.
"Four variant covers." Ugh. That's the kind of thing that makes me want to wait for trades.
S'pose I'll get the Syd Mead.
Art, gimme 'em ALL!
Cool Blader Runner esque pictures:
https://www.instagram.com/bladerunnerrealworld/
Beautiful pictures.
The more I watch of west world, the more I want a blade runner series from hbo.
A good idea.
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https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-preview-blade-runner-2019-1/
Lookin' good!
Somewhat reminds me of the tone of Final Incal... Not bad at all..
This cover in that article is from Syd Mead's Blade Runner concept art.
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Can't wait to get these.
High quality, looking good.
I heard early on that the next film will involve Harrison Ford's character Deckard going 'off world'. I would be totally down for an idea like that but I feel like by the time they make a third film Ford will either be too old or gone. What ideas have they came up with for a third film so far?
None, 2049 as 2019- bombed financially.
No sequel in sight.
Quote from: The Old One on May 23, 2019, 08:17:16 PM
None, 2049 as 2019- bombed financially.
No sequel in sight.
First Bladerunner came out in 1982, sequel didn't come out until 2017 35 years later. Even though it didn't do so hot financially it was still hailed by fans and critics alike. Who's not to say they won't make a third film in another 35 years, 20 or 15? After a certain amount of time the interest and demand for another film will be there. The ratings and lore surrounding the films are too influential to ignore.
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on May 23, 2019, 08:23:59 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 23, 2019, 08:17:16 PM
None, 2049 as 2019- bombed financially.
No sequel in sight.
First Bladerunner came out in 1982, sequel didn't come out until 2017 35 years later. Even though it didn't do so hot financially it was still hailed by fans and critics alike. Who's not to say they won't make a third film in another 35 years, 20 or 15? After a certain amount of time the interest and demand for another film will be there. The ratings and lore surrounding the films are too influential to ignore.
It's tempting, but three perfect movies in a row is pretty long odds. I can't think of any film series that's managed it.
I can, the Lord of the Rings.
LotR: Oh, duh. Right in front of my face. :P
Alien: I adore Alien3 (even more than Aliens) but even I can't walk up to the podium and proclaim it a 'perfect' movie. :D
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 24, 2019, 02:08:30 AM
LotR: Oh, duh. Right in front of my face. :P
Alien: I adore Alien3 (even more than Aliens) but even I can't walk up to the podium and proclaim it a 'perfect' movie. :D
The reverend Huggs has preached on it.
Doesn't really need a sequel / third instalment IMHO.
Heads up for anyone in London with a few hours to kill... Prince Charles Cinema just off Leicester Square is showing a Blade Runner double bill tonight and again on Tuesday 18th June.
Blade Runner remains a favorite.
I think I might have to watch the sequel a few times more to actually develop for sure feelings on it.
Just like I did with the original.
I can't stand that scene where weirdo kills that new-born replicant. All I see is a woman getting killed senselessly and it creeps me out. There is such a cruel vulgarity to that scene.
i thought it felt off as well
then i thought it was just to make the dude seem like a douche canoe AND IT WORKED
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 04, 2019, 03:12:48 AM
I can't stand that scene where weirdo kills that new-born replicant. All I see is a woman getting killed senselessly and it creeps me out. There is such a cruel vulgarity to that scene.
That's kinda the point, that he views her as just a machine. That and she didn't work as far as the test went, which probably gave him the rage.
Quote from: Highland on Jun 04, 2019, 06:29:47 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 04, 2019, 03:12:48 AM
I can't stand that scene where weirdo kills that new-born replicant. All I see is a woman getting killed senselessly and it creeps me out. There is such a cruel vulgarity to that scene.
That's kinda the point, that he views her as just a machine. That and she didn't work as far as the test went, which probably gave him the rage.
Oh I understand the point of the scene. He's frustrated that he can't make an artificial woman capable of having children. Still, I find it difficult getting through that scene. The rest of the film handles violence better somehow. I find when I watch the film now, I stop there and move on to something else.
Wallace was definitely the weak link in that movie. The whole slow-talking, calm malevolence thing is a little tired. At least Eldon Tyrell was interesting.
Still love the film, tho.
Finally pre-ordered the new comic series.
For those living in or near the LA area, a couple of cars from Blade Runner are now on display at the Peterson Automotive museum:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BybVBcIFH2I/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BybVBcIFH2I/)
The first car is Deckard's private sedan from the actual film. Although it's the original prop vehicle it was incorrectly restored after falling off the transportation truck en-route to the Miami Police Museum where it was on display for many years. Deckard's sedan originally had a two-tone, bronze and maroon paint-job and most certainly no police markings. The interior is still mostly correct bar the seats which don't have headrests in the film. In the film though the interior shots of Deckards sedan was actually that of the Spinner with a few things changed around.
The second vehicle above is the ubiquitous deux coupe we see in many shots. I'm not aware of any of these surviving, Ridley gave strict orders that all the vehicles (bar a couple for promotional purposes) were to be destroyed after filming wrapped, so this may be a very good replica (or replicar if you will). Gene Winfield did say he kept the moulds for these so this might be cast from the original mould though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByWPx64FD_K/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/ByWPx64FD_K/)
The Spinner in the third shot is just a bad replica. One of the surviving (and accurately restored) Spinners from the film can be found hanging from the roof of the EMP Museum in Seattle.
First 5 pages
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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/07/5-pages-blade-runner-2019-1/
Nice. I'm liking the voice-over... just like the original comic.
Ok, this looks good. Looking forward to it.
According to The Numbers Blade Runner (1982) sold DVDs and Blu-Rays in US worth nearly 68 million! I don't know how legit this website is, but if it's true then this is totally mad. And this is only US market.
US DVD Sales (Oct 2017): $35,434,954, total units 1,352,670
US Blu-ray Sales (Jan 2018): $32,532,660, total units 1,499,892
As a comparison:
Prometheus: $45,619,846
The Marian: $50,095,013
Alien:Covenant: $22,428,972 (twice less than Prometheus)
Blade Runner 2049: $26,227,030
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Blade-Runner#tab=video-sales
For what it's worth, Blade Runner DC was one of the first dvds ever released.
Totally onboard, but I'll wait for a review.
Even though the art is gorgeous.
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Holy UNF
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 04, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
Finally pre-ordered the new comic series.
Where'd you pre-order?
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 14, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jun 13, 2019, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 04, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
Finally pre-ordered the new comic series.
Where'd you pre-order?
Forbidden Planet
Had a look around , there's a UK seller on Ebay and you can Pre-order Variations ABC and D of issue one for $30 ( Australian). So I went for that. I don't really love the C and D, but I needed the mead and the A cover is actually quite nice. Plus I'm a stickler for nice covers.
Blade Runner 2019 comic book trailer here:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/blade-runner-2019-comic-debuts-new-trailer-watch-video-1218922
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Interesting, the Tyrell legacy continues.
I'm so happy they've resurrected the 'running Blade Runner' graphic (with a slight upgrade) from the original film. That little piece of iconography has been sorely missing from BR materials since 1982.
https://twitter.com/GeekTyrant/status/1142541535134830592
Just read issue one of Blade Runner 2019. Off to a great start so far. Wound up getting the Syd Mead cover, which is of course gorgeous, but the interior art is excellent as well. Already very wrapped up in the main character and the little pocket of the Blade Runner world that this narrative is exploring.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2019, 11:03:14 PM
Just read issue one of Blade Runner 2019. Off to a great start so far. Wound up getting the Syd Mead cover, which is of course gorgeous, but the interior art is excellent as well. Already very wrapped up in the main character and the little pocket of the Blade Runner world that this narrative is exploring.
Mine's on the way!
Interview with
Blade Runner 2019 writer
Mike Johnson.
QuoteBlade Runner 2049 showed fans the future of Ridley Scott's sci-fi masterpiece, but a new comic series will explore the Blade Runner world's past — and our present. On July 17, Titan Comics will debut its much-anticipated Blade Runner 2019 series from Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Michael Green and comics veteran Mike Johnson.
It's a dive back into the neon-dipped future first witnessed in director Scott's original 1982 film, and the 12-issue series has a major link to the movies, as Green, who leads an all-star creative team, co-wrote the impressive Blade Runner 2049 screenplay as well as penning Alien: Covenant.
His writing partner Johnson has written everything from DC's Supergirl and Superman/Batman to numerous Star Trek-centric series for IDW. The atmospheric artwork comes via Andres Guinaldo (Captain America: Steve Rogers, Justice League Dark), who has perfectly captured the noirish tone and dystopian aesthetics so essential in depicting the harsh Blade Runner universe. Letters are handled by Jim Campbell, and its captivating colors are choreographed by Marco Lesco.
SYFY WIRE contacted Mike Johnson to learn about his revelations on Blade Runner 2019's worldbuilding, honoring the seminal science fiction film, diving into Philip K. Dick's source material, and what surprises are in store for eager readers when the debut issue arrives next week. After the chat, enjoy our preview of the first issue's gallery of vibrant covers and interior art.
What was the genesis of this project, and how did you and Michael handle the collaboration?
Mike Johnson: Alcon, the Blade Runner rights holders, have ambitious plans to keep the franchise alive and vibrant. When the idea of comics came up, and Alcon reached out to Michael about being involved, Michael asked me if I was interested in joining him. I try not to be an idiot too often, so of course I said yes. Given that we had collaborated on comics before, it was like getting the band back together.
What were some of the considerations or restrictions in crafting the story set in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner sandbox?
Everyone involved wanted to build out the Blade Runner world rather than tell stories with the characters we've already met. We wanted there to be nods and references to familiar things, so it felt like the franchise we know and love, but Michael and I definitely wanted to push the notion of what a Blade Runner story could be. And it was too good an opportunity not to set this story in 2019 so that it could actually be published in 2019.
Did you or Michael return to Blade Runner's source material, Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Michael was very familiar with the original book, but I had never actually read it, despite being obsessed with the movie. So the first thing I did was read the book and let my brain soak in it for a while. That said, nothing in our story is directly inspired by or tied to anything in the book. It's more Dick's spirit of future noir, and a certain melancholy, that I embraced and tried to evoke in this story.
Do you recall your first impressions of seeing the original Blade Runner in theaters, and how did it affect you?
I was just a kid when it came out, and I wasn't allowed to see an R-rated movie, which I didn't think was very fair given that Han Solo/Indiana Jones was in it, and it looked so very cool. I later wore out the VHS tape as I grew up, and it was a formative experience for me as someone hoping to tell stories for a living one day.
Besides her gender, how did you hope to distinguish Ash from other blade runners like Deckard, Gaff, and Holden?
As readers will see, Ash has more of a personal prejudice against Replicants in general, seeing them as symptomatic of a society that devalues humanity and cares only about the needs of a select wealthy few. She grew up on the streets of Los Angeles, among the crowds, and she feels very protective of that world, of the common person just trying to get by. She sees Replicants as a threat to that.
Will other film characters like Deckard and Rachael figure into your Blade Runner 2019 series?
I can't say too much without spoiling things. But the name Tyrell is significant, both corporation and man.
What are some of the societal similarities and technologies in the original Blade Runner correctly predicted?
I think the idea of a cityscape covered in glittering video billboards is very much a reality now, as anyone who visits Times Square or Akihabara can attest to. We don't have flying cars yet, but drones and automated vehicles feel like the first steps. Most pertinent to our story is the existence of dramatic wealth inequality, the idea that the masses drive an economy that ultimately benefits a privileged few.
I think Blade Runner is a classic not just for its groundbreaking visuals, but because it continually speaks to new generations experiencing the future unfolding.
How does Andres Guinaldo's arresting artwork best serve your hardboiled detective story?
Andres is not only a brilliant storyteller and draftsman, he is able to ground an expansive science fiction story in the details of everyday life in a way that is inherently Blade Runner. It's that mix of polished and gritty, of spectacle and street-side, that characterizes this world, and it's something Andres captures beautifully.
What was the most rewarding element or biggest struggle in delivering this Blade Runner project?
The most enjoyable aspect and the most challenging aspect were the same: to do justice to Blade Runner, which means the thrill of living and writing in that world, but also the need to do justice to the standard set by the films. We hope fans enjoy the result.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/blade-runner-2019-writer-mike-johnson-reveals-how-the-new-comic-honors-the-films-legacy
Good stuff. 8)
Rutger Hauer passed away. :(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/rutger-hauer-dead-dies-blade-runner-co-star-1203278050/amp/
Like tears in rain...
Like a hobo with a shotgun.
May the Lord bless and comfort his family during this time of loss.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 24, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
Rutger Hauer passed away. :(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/rutger-hauer-dead-dies-blade-runner-co-star-1203278050/amp/
Like tears in rain...
Damn, that's sad.
Three months out from his most iconic character's death.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 24, 2019, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 24, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
Rutger Hauer passed away. :(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/rutger-hauer-dead-dies-blade-runner-co-star-1203278050/amp/
Like tears in rain...
Damn, that's sad.
Three months out from his most iconic character's death.
Damn.
Damn, damn, damn.
He was awesome in everything, with my favorites being Blade Runner & The Hitcher. He will be remembered and sorely missed.
R.I.P. :'(
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Damn, that one hurts...
R.I.P Rutger.
Rest in peace, my fellow Dutchman.
:'(
Rest in Peace Rutger Hauer.
One by one, they're all fading away.
One of our members, Snowdog got to meet him a couple of years ago on the set of Michiel de Ruyter.
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Quote from: Snowdog on Apr 13, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
Working on set with Rutger Hauer (last summer) 8)
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Cool! What is Rutger like in person?
He is actually a really nice and down to earth guy. Also he's really funny :laugh:
Rest in peace :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUq2opPY-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUq2opPY-Q)
I always thought he should have had a role in The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises.
He could have stood in for Dagget.
This ought to be on the main page considering he played Ash in the audible drama.
It was a blessing to have him in the franchise, even for a small part.
Nighthawks, Blade Runner, Ladyhawke, Flesh and Blood, The Legend of the Holy Drinker. Thank you very much for everything you gave us.
Rest in peace, Rutger Hauer :'(
This must be a very rare bts shot of Rutger Hauer and Joe Turkel because I've never seen it before until today. Note the size of Rutger's hands.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0YjsSUJNIw/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B0YjsSUJNIw/)
This guy was criminally underused for most of his career. Aside from Split Second he never got any leading roles at all.
He somehow managed to come out of Argento's shitty Dracula movie with his dignity intact. That takes talent.
Wow, I'd never seen that photo before, either.
Quote from: genocyber on Jul 26, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
This guy was criminally underused for most of his career. Aside from Split Second he never got any leading roles at all.
He was lead in a film called Wanted Dead Or Alive in the mid-80s... my friends and I all enjoyed it, but I'm not sure if it would hold up today. Also, he completely
owned The Hitcher.
Quote from: genocyber on Jul 26, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
This guy was criminally underused for most of his career. Aside from Split Second he never got any leading roles at all.
Hobo With A Shotgun doesn't count as a leading role?
Blind Fury!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 26, 2019, 08:41:30 PM
Wow, I'd never seen that photo before, either.
Quote from: genocyber on Jul 26, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
This guy was criminally underused for most of his career. Aside from Split Second he never got any leading roles at all.
He was lead in a film called Wanted Dead Or Alive in the mid-80s... my friends and I all enjoyed it, but I'm not sure if it would hold up today. Also, he completely owned The Hitcher.
Indeed, anyone who hasn't watched the original The Hitcher, watch it tonight! It's so worth it.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the80smovieclub.co.uk%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fhithcer.jpg&hash=0b7efc8769dca3484a9ffb5c6b555900de07bef4)
A unique actor. One of my favorites.
I'll miss the actor, great as Daniel Lazarski for Observer.
Observer? I've never heard about this game? Is it worth playing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJiFMGd-_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJiFMGd-_Y)
After watching this I realised I must play that game.
Please do, it's fantastic!
It's on my list now :)
I hope you enjoy it, buy it on GoG if you're able.
I really believe that Rutger Hauer's inclusion in 2049 would've made it a better film.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 29, 2019, 05:50:58 AM
I really believe that Rutger Hauer's inclusion in 2049 would've made it a better film.
How?
Quote from: Highland on Jul 29, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 29, 2019, 05:50:58 AM
I really believe that Rutger Hauer's inclusion in 2049 would've made it a better film.
How?
Its Rutger Hauer ;)
Quote from: Highland on Jul 29, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 29, 2019, 05:50:58 AM
I really believe that Rutger Hauer's inclusion in 2049 would've made it a better film.
How?
Yeah, I'm not for this idea. Roy Batty died. Leave perfection well enough alone and don't dilute his performance by recasting him as another character or as Roy-8.
Having read Blade Runner 2: The Edge of Human, where Batty is
Spoiler
resurrected as a talking briefcase,
I say yeah, leave the legend untarnished.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 29, 2019, 04:32:07 AM
I hope you enjoy it, buy it on GoG if you're able.
I'm on Steam :)
The 90s sequel script Blade Runner Down had a completely random cameo by replicant that was the same model as Roy, and even had the balls to recreate his death scene with a different character. :laugh:
We already dodged a bullet with Prometheus: :laugh:
(https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/weylandmilitaryguyscreenshotfull4.jpg?w=584)
Got the new Blade Runner comics thought the post. The original and mead covers are really cool , the others are just ok. Not bought a comic in yonks. I'm thinking the mead ones will look epic in a frame.
So I'm watching the original Blade Runner and it occurred to me how strange Bryant's exposition dump about the replicants was. I understand that it was mainly done for the audience, but what was the in-universe reason for it?
Deckard was already an experienced (former) Blade Runner so wouldn't he have already known about their four-year lifespan, etc.? Even if he was a replicant himself (which I highly doubt), wouldn't they have given him memory implants with that knowledge?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
So I'm watching the original Blade Runner and it occurred to me how strange Bryant's exposition dump about the replicants was. I understand that it was mainly done for the audience, but what was the in-universe reason for it?
Deckard was already an experienced (former) Blade Runner so wouldn't he have already known about their four-year lifespan, etc.? Even if he was a replicant himself (which I highly doubt), wouldn't they have given him memory implants with that knowledge?
The Nexus 6 seems to be a new model, or at least that's what's implied. The older models probably don't have the same expiry. Also deckards never ran the test on the 6.
They can't be that new since they were all due to expire in 2020 (their incept dates were in 2016). Are we supposed to believe that Deckard quit his job more than four years earlier?
The wording of the opening text is a little clunky. It seems to say that Blade Runner units were set up to detect and retire replicants after a group of Nexus 6 mutinied in one of the colonies and replicants were declared illegal on Earth.
Also FWIW, from the old Marvel comic:
"The Nexus 3 had been too smooth, too human, if you like. I quit because of it."
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
Deckard was already an experienced (former) Blade Runner so wouldn't he have already known about their four-year lifespan, etc.?
He only learned about that more recently from Bryant.
And as Highland mentioned, Deckard likely never encountered the 6's before. His job was only dealing with rogue replicants on Earth. Batty and his gang were likely the first 6's to set foot on Earth. In fact, it's heavily implied by Bryant.
Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2019, 11:42:52 AM
The wording of the opening text is a little clunky.
That's because Bud Yorkin wrote it. It wasn't the one originally written by Peoples and Scott with the dictionary definition of what a replicant is. Bud and Al never really got Blade Runner.
Watching the film again for the 6000th time, and yeah, the crawl is 100% to blame:
"After a bloody mutiny by a Nexus 6 combat team, Replicants were declared illegal on Earth. Special police squads -Blade Runner units- were ordered to shoot to kill, upon detection, any trespassing Replicant."
So according to that, the Blade Runner unit (aka Rep-Detect) didn't exist until that particular Nexus 6 mutiny, and Deckard should have known all about them, because he'd presumably never hunted anything else.
Boo-urns. :P
Although it's entirely possible that only the earlier models were on Earth when they got outlawed and Deckard made a name for himself hunting down the ones who ran.
Speaking of which, I still don't understand why Sapper Morton was on Earth in 2049. He was a Nexus-8 with an off-world job and no expiration date, so why come back?
He was looking for Ronan.
We finally reached the date on which Blade Runner is set :laugh: 8) 8)
https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/1190106823174578177
https://twitter.com/80sNostalgia/status/1190166243451559936
https://twitter.com/tprstly/status/1190159641528942592
https://twitter.com/EamonTHennedy/status/1190211548951797767
https://twitter.com/mnolangray/status/1190249078229213184
https://twitter.com/manetteLy/status/1190184633306112000
https://twitter.com/santitrullenque/status/1190161550704812032
Hey are any of you guys reading the comic series? I missed issue #1 and so decided to just wait for the trade. How is it?
I read issue one and quite liked it but I've missed the issues since, so I am going to grab the trade when it hits.
Charles de Lauzirika posted a couple of Blade Runner BTS photos from his personal archives yesterday which I have never seen before:
Harrison Ford outside the Bradburry Building and Million Dollar Theater. It was quite rare to see Ford smiling during his stint on Blade Runner:
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Deckard's Sedan:
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Some extras posing next to the noodle bar stationed on a flatbed trailer just a little down the road from the Bradbury:
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Precious photos:
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Given the rest of the technology on display, I'd like to see what an Atari console is like in the Blade Runner timeline.
Quote from: BBC
1. Robots are much smarter
2. Video calling is mainstream
3. Homes are also getting smarter
4. Lie detectors are still used
5. The planet is changing
6. Blade Runner ignores the Instagram generation
7. Flying cars aren't mainstream... yet
8. Most hairdryers still look like hairdryers
https://twitter.com/BBCTech/status/1190245710123458561
Some more never-before-seen bts from Lauzirika for Blade Runner month:
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Whaddaya mean the columns are upside-down Guv'nor?:
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Whaddaya mean I'm not allowed to operate the bloody camera?:
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Ford having a jolly old time on Blade Runner:
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Ford having a not so jolly time with Young:
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The extra who plays a hooker and who often gets mistaken for Carrie Fisher:
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Lauzirika's Twitter account has been an absolute joy to follow this month.
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing it here - Twitter ain't my bag. 8)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 09, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
Whaddaya mean I'm not allowed to operate the bloody camera?:
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Ridley was just looking, you know :)
Was he just peeking? Like Pris? :laugh:
Why did it have to be snakes?:
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The Burmese Python was Joanna Cassidy's own pet snake.
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Blade Runner month continues with more bts from Charles.
Leon's gun was originally supposed to be a "black hole gun". One of Ridley's ideas, it would shoot a black ray of antimatter right through Holden. Some visual effects tests were done and reputedly one frame of it still remains in the film. Ultimately the idea was dropped since it turned out to be very underwhelming visually and not quite as exiting as getting blasted through a wall.
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Busted! Ridley operating a camera:
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The interrogation room set was used again and re-dressed as Tyrell's office:
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Directors not allowed to operate cameras? Is it a union thing, or just some tradition?
Just read the first 4 issues of BR 2019. It's not bad.
Yeah, it was an American union rule. In Britain Scott could operate the camera but not in America. Scott likened the situation to Gary Palmer having his golf clubs taken away from him during a tournament.
On the right can be seen a street patrolman with body armour. Just behind him is one of the motorcycle cops, barely glimpsed in the film. On the left and in the picture below can be seen one of the police officers, their costumes were designed to evoke WWII Nazi Wehrmacht officers:
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2019, 06:34:03 PM
Yeah, it was an American union rule. In Britain Scott could operate the camera but not in America. Scott likened the situation to Gary Palmer having his golf clubs taken away from him during a tournament.
At least didn't have to deal with tea time.
:laugh:
Funnily, I don't think Scott ever had a problem with elevenses and high tea (and the pub afterwards). At least I don't recall him ever complaining about it. He did say he preferred working with British crews because when he asked for something they'd say "Yes, Guv'nor" and then do it whereas the American crews would often question or debate Scott's requests.
Conversely, I don't recall Cameron complaining about not being allowed to operate the camera.
RIP Lawrence G. Paull, production designer, Blade Runner:
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1195176189490421760 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1195176189490421760)
Rest in Peace.
Finally watched this.
Beautiful bit of cinema.
Loved it.
I was really apprehensive because I can't even get all the through the first.
In an earlier version of the script, Gaff berates Deckard in Japanese on his appearance and personal grooming habits during their flight to the police precinct. In the film itself, Gaff can still be seen talking to Deckard while Deckard eventually rolls his eyes at what Gaff is telling him:
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The deleted "Holden in hospital" scene. While the scene didn't make the final cut, Holden's "bed" or "iron lung" was re purposed as a police kiosk outside Abdul ben Hassan's shop. It can also be seen again as a kitchen sink in Deckard's apartment:
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Gaff and Bryant "spying" on Deckard and Holden:
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Sean, back when she was still young:
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Ridley trying to coax a performance out of Harrison:
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Looking at those photos makes me to read Future Noir again. Blade Runner Bible. I need to order new edition.
Great pics! That looks like the first (unused) version of the Esper in the middle there - you can see the logo on it.
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 25, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
Looking at those photos makes me to read Future Noir again. Blade Runner Bible. I need to order new edition.
I'm reading that version now. There's a LOT more than I remember being in the first edition!
Blade Runner month continues with more photographs from Charles de Lauzirika:
Harrison Ford and Gene Winfield taking the Police Spinner for a spin:
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Gene Winfield and his team were responsible for building most of the vehicles seen in Blade Runner:
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The vehicles in Blade Runner originally had a twin, twist-wrist steering system. This was later changed to a single, small steering wheel as the vehicle wranglers, unused to this new futuristic steering mechanism kept crashing the cars. Although the pictures depict one of the drive-able "hero" Spinners, the interior was only minimally decorated and a separate Spinner consisting of only the cockpit section itself was used for the interior shots.
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Kaiser and Bear:
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Ridley would later expand on the idea of using "little people" with lots of prosthetic make-up in Legend.
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The Blade Runner visual effects team:
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Foam mock-up of the Tyrell pyramid:
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Some of the miniatures from Escape from New York:
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Great stuff! Thanks for sharing it all here. :)
Amazing pics
Fantastic stuff.
Today is the last day of November 2019 and coincidentally also happens to be our beloved Guv'nor's 82nd birthday:
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"No-one is taking my camera away from me!!"
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Riddles enjoying some Johnnie Walker Black (I think):
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Ridley Scott was 44 when Blade Runner was filmed. It is also believed by some, that the no. 44 on the Hero spinner was in reference to his age:
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Happy Birthday R.S
Really love all the BTS photos.
Happy birthday to the mad lad himself 8)
Yes, thank you once more. Loving the BTS.
Grabbed the Blade Runner 2019: Los Angeles trade today since I fell behind on the issues.
Inform me if it's any good.
I really enjoyed the first issue when I read it months ago, but haven't read anything beyond that. Can't wait to jump in properly this time.
I guess the second part is going to be Blade Runner 2019: Offworld.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 30, 2019, 10:45:12 PM
Grabbed the Blade Runner 2019: Los Angeles trade today since I fell behind on the issues.
Didn't realize it was out! I'll be picking that up too.
Funny thought: after tonight, Blade Runner will cease to be a movie about a possible future, and begin to be a movie about an alternate past! :D
Not sure where the Los Angeles title bit is coming in. I looked at the cover and it doesn't say that anywhere. ???
Looks like there's a new BR 2049 art book coming out:
https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/product/9781789092110-item.html?ref=item_page:richrel:rr_carousel:json1
Feels weird considering the original doesn't have an artbook.
This is the cover of the trade with "Los Angeles" on it, and it has a "1" on its spine and an ad for "Blade Runner 2019: Offworld" in the back.
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The legendary Syd Mead pictured with one of the futuristic parking meters he designed:
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The futuristic street sweeper behind Syd was one of the few vehicles that he didn't design. This was the design of assistant art director, Stephen Dane. It is based on a real-life street sweeper (that first featured in the Clint Eastwood movie, Every Which Way but Loose) on top of which was bolted a de Havilland Dove cockpit. A snowplow and various bits from surplus and old aviation parts were also added. A sort of full scale kit-bashing job essentially.
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I think he said something about its lethal capabilities I remember.
Yeah, there is a convention reel in which Syd does a walk-through of the Blade Runner set and talks about how you can get electrocuted by tampering with the device. Ridley also laughs at his "lethal" parking meter in Dangerous Days. But that aspect actually came from production illustrator Tom Southwell who designed the stickers for the parking meter.
The late, great cinematography legend, Jordan Cronenweth:
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Jordan Cronenweth looking dejected as Riddles once again, hi-jacks his camera:
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Scouting locations at the Bradbury:
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Scouting locations at the second street tunnel:
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Cronenweth would later sign on as cinematographer for Alien 3 since Fincher was a great fan of Scott and Blade Runner in particular. Unfortunately due to health issues he had to leave the production quite early, but the shots he managed to capture were quite awesome.
Just read the comic. Much better structure/narrative here over the course of four issues than any of the recent Aliens comics (with the exception of Dead Orbit) have managed to pull off in the same number of issues.
I definitely enjoyed this, and look forward to the release of the second part. It is going to be the first time any piece of Blade Runner media really visualizes an offworld colony...
Bring it on, I can't wait to see it.
Blade Runner's sound mixer, Bud Alper:
Note the strategically placed "Bud"-weiser neon sign behind him on the set.
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Bud in 2007:
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Thank you for posting the photographs.
Thanks, credit for the photographs goes to Charles de Lauzirika (and more specifically the set photographers) but I usually try and provide some extra information with the photographs were I can.
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Don't ask whose legs those are:
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me:
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me:
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me:
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...and me:
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Who said filming Blade Runner was a bitch? Look at all these happy people!:
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Harrison Ford on the Animoid Row set with a caged racoon:
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Another sly racoon to my left:
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Harrison after finding out what those noodles are made of:
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Charles de Lauzirika at his Blade Runner shrine. He purposefully didn't conduct his own Dangerous Days interviews there because he didn't want to freak the viewers out. :laugh:
He's got the ERTL cars! I had a couple of those myself for a few years. Miss 'em.
Probably my BTS photos! Amazing! Thanks 8th!
I just found these:
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My favourite
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More here (however they're mostly known): https://cinephiliabeyond.org/blade-runner-a-game-changing-science-fiction-classic/
Watched it in 4K HDR last night, gorgeous. ;D
QuoteRead below the lengthy studio notes given to Ridley Scott for 1982′ Blade Runner and be happy he doesn't have to listen to them anymore.
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https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/blade-runner-ridley-scott-studio-notes-1982/
I am glad, definitely.
I love point 7: "this movie gets worse every screening" ;D
Oi - wot's going on 'ere then?
Clapper Boy not doing his job properly, that's wot! ;D Clearly these are mute shots because you can't clap the board holding it one-handed like that, yet the board is labelled incorrectly (slate number should be marked M or MOS for "mute"). And fingers should be through the clapper arm showing that it is incapable of being struck (which is additional info telling the editor this shot has no sync sound). Even sound recordist Bud Alper should have known better!
Ahh yes, the glory days of film...
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You absolutely can clap the board one handed -- whether it's stable is another thing ;D
Except the second shot, that's right out.
It does look more like staged photos though, not actual takes of slates from the film.
Definitely staged I say.
In memory of the late, great, Syd Mead (1933 - 2019)
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Concept art for the never-filmed Zhora dance scene:
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Syd was no mere concept artist. He was given the unique option to choose his own credit description for the Blade Runner end titles, to which he choose Visual Futurist.
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Required reading, rest in peace, phenomenal Artist.
'Science fiction is nothing but reality ahead of schedule.' Syd Mead
Rest in Peace.
Some more BR concept art from Syd:
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This shows Syd's process of creating the painting above. Starts off with a photo of the Burbank studio backlot from which he does a sketch and then adds all the retrofitting and atmospherics.
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The noodle bar:
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Another painting of the unfilmed Zhora dance scene at Taffy Lewis', Snake Pit nightclub.
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Quote from: EmpireSpeaking to Empire in the 100 Greatest Movies Of The Century issue (Blade Runner 2049 came in at number 45 on the list), Villeneuve looked back at his experience working on the film – and hinted that he might not be done with that universe yet. "It's such an inspiring place, the Blade Runner world," he says – adding that he would be interested in another movie if it was 'unconnected' from the first two. "The problem is have is the word 'sequel'. I think cinema needs original stories. But if you ask me if I'd like to revisit this universe in a different way, I can say yes. It would need to be a project on its own. Something disconnected from both other movies. A detective noir story set in the future... I wake up sometimes in the night dreaming about it."
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1220316246857658369
Yes please. It was my favourite film of the last decade.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 23, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: EmpireSpeaking to Empire in the 100 Greatest Movies Of The Century issue (Blade Runner 2049 came in at number 45 on the list), Villeneuve looked back at his experience working on the film – and hinted that he might not be done with that universe yet. "It's such an inspiring place, the Blade Runner world," he says – adding that he would be interested in another movie if it was 'unconnected' from the first two. "The problem is have is the word 'sequel'. I think cinema needs original stories. But if you ask me if I'd like to revisit this universe in a different way, I can say yes. It would need to be a project on its own. Something disconnected from both other movies. A detective noir story set in the future... I wake up sometimes in the night dreaming about it."
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1220316246857658369
I'll buy the IMAX ticket right god damn now.
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More cool stuff here -
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/illustrations_of_films_by_dario_argento_david_cronenberg_ridley_scott_more_
QuoteNightdive Studios and Alcon Entertainment will bring a modern restoration of the 1997 point-and-click adventure to PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Switch.
Nightdive Studios, known for restoring classic video games such as System Shock and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, has partnered with production company Alcon Entertainment to restore the 1997 point-and-click adventure title Blade Runner for PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Nintendo Switch, as well as a PC version through online storefront Steam.
Based on Ridley Scott's 1982 cyberpunk noir — but not a direct adaptation of the film — Blade Runner follows detective Ray McCoy as he hunts down renegade replicants, or androids that look remarkably human, in a futuristic version of 2019 Los Angeles. The game's narrative runs tangentially with the events of the film. Blade Runner was developed by the now-defunct Westwood Studios, best known for its Command & Conquer real-time strategy series, and sold more than one million copies over its lifetime. The game also garnered critical praise and won the inaugural computer adventure game of the year at the Academy of Interactive Arts & Science's first DICE Awards (then known as the Interactive Achievement Awards).
In 2015, Westwood Studios co-founder Louis Castle mentioned in an interview with YouTube channel RagnarRox that the original source code for the game had been lost when the company relocated from Las Vegas to Los Angeles (as part of the studio's merger with EA Los Angeles in 2003, five years after EA purchased Westwood Studios in 1998), thus making a remake "impossible" without spending millions of dollars.
"It's true that the original Blade Runner source code was lost," says Larry Kuperman, head of business development at Nightdive. "We painstakingly reverse-engineered the code, importing it into our own KEX engine, a powerful tool that allows us to do console ports of classic titles, even in the face of quite challenging situations."
Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition will feature a "polished and premium restoration" from Nightdive Studios via the company's proprietary KEX game engine, which it has used to restore Turok and System Shock for contemporary platforms, among other titles. The game will feature updated character models, animations and cutscenes, as well as widescreen resolution support, keyboard and controller customization and more. The original foreign language translations (which include German, French, Italian and Chinese) of the original game have also been sourced for the Enhanced Edition.
"Blade Runner is still a jaw-dropping achievement on every level, so while we're using KEX to upgrade the graphics and respectfully elevate the gaming experience in a way you've never seen before, we're still preserving Westwood's vision and gameplay in all its glory," says Nightdive CEO Stephen Kick. "While you can enjoy the benefits of playing the game on modern hardware, the game should look and feel not as it was, but as glorious as you remember it being."
The Alcon-Nightdive partnership was brokered by Joe LeFavi of Genuine Entertainment, who is co-producing Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition alongside Nightdive and Alcon Interactive Group. LeFavi previously produced the companion art book for 2017's Blade Runner 2049, The Art and Soul of Blade Runner 2049.
Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition is expected to launch later this year.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/classic-blade-runner-video-game-be-restored-consoles-steam-1283768 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/classic-blade-runner-video-game-be-restored-consoles-steam-1283768)
Wow, I just re-bought a restoration of this game from Good Old Games about a month ago, but I'll buy this, too. Gonna look glorious projected on my wall. :)
I have never played this classic, however it's on my list so I cannot wait to see enhanced edition.
Never played it myself either but watched a youtube playthrough once. Used to love those point-and-click adventure games as a kid.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 13, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
Wow, I just re-bought a restoration of this game from Good Old Games about a month ago, but I'll buy this, too. Gonna look glorious projected on my wall. :)
I assume the GOG version is just a slightly modified version of the original so that it can run on modern PC's?
Yup, indeed. I just purchased the GOG one a month or so ago myself. Haven't played much of it though.
What NA said. The GOG version is exactly what the game was back in '97, not altered or 'improved' in any way. That was good enough for me, but this is even better! :)
That was the first PC game I bought with my own money. I really enjoyed it. I think I played through it twice.
Definitely taking a look.
https://twitter.com/DrewStruzan/status/1263878806323949572 (https://twitter.com/DrewStruzan/status/1263878806323949572)
And some rare bts:
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Charles de Lauzirika can be seen on the right, shortly after arriving in his time-travel capsule:
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Rare bts photo of Harrison and Scott getting on splendidly. Must have been early in the shoot:
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Last scenes on Blade Runner with things now much less cordial:
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And now things have really gone downhill:
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Note guy with the Blade Runner "crew t-shirt" on top right:
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Ostrich wranglers in Animoid Row:
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Elevated gas station & Sushi bar miniature
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Deckards balcony matte painting:
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Hades landscape miniature:
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https://twitter.com/DrewStruzan/status/1276126330635956224
So many different posters:
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Rarely seen bts:
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Blade Runner doing a runner.
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Both movies were flops at movie theaters Worldwide. I think a TV Series about BLADE RUNNER is more realistic. Like RAISED BY WOLVES in HBO MAX
Even then, I suspect even a series wouldn't be successful enough.
There is an anime series coming. Blade Runner: Black Lotus.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 25, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
Even then, I suspect even a series wouldn't be successful enough.
And I say that with utter disappointment.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2020, 09:46:48 PM
There is an anime series coming. Blade Runner: Black Lotus.
For real? Interesting...
Indeed! All the details are collected in this thread:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61069.msg2334492#msg2334492
Titan Announces "Blade Runner Origins"
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QuoteTitan Comics have announced "Blade Runner Origins," a prequel to the original Blade Runner film, set to begin in February 2021. It will explore the genesis of the "blade runners" tasked with "retiring" rogue replicants hiding on Earth, and centers on Cal Moreaux, a grizzled LAPD detective who uncovers a sinister conspiracy behind the apparent suicide of a Tyrell Corporation scientist.
The series will be written by Mike Johnson ("Blade Runner 2019"), K. Perkins ("Supergirl"), and Mellow Brown (the American Gods TV series), with art by Fernando Dagnino ("Justice League," "Suicide Squad").
Brown and Perkins stated in the press release, "We're thrilled to be joining the creative team behind the 'Blade Runner' comics, to bring fans the story behind the first Blade Runner unit. As fans ourselves, we look forward to expanding this universe, telling stories from new perspectives and shedding light on the corners of L.A. only hinted at in previous chapters."
This is the third "Blade Runner" comics series announced by Titan, following "Blade Runner 2019" (penned by Johnson and Blade Runner 2049 co-writer Michael Green with art by Andres Guinaldo), and its follow-up "Blade Runner 2029" (debuting December 16, 2020).
"Blade Runner Origins" #1 will be available digitally and in comic book stores on February 24, 2021, and be released with covers by artists like Stanley "Artgerm" Lau, Peach Momoko, and Robert Hack ("Chilling Adventures of Sabrina").
Press release:
UPCOMING PREQUEL COMIC REVEALS THE GENESIS OF THE BLADE RUNNER DIVISION
October 22, 2020 – Titan Comics and Alcon Media Group are excited to announce the February 2021 debut of BLADE RUNNER ORIGINS. Set ten years before Titan's current bestselling and award-winning Blade Runner 2019, the year-long comic book series will follow the events leading up to the creation of the Blade Runner division, reflecting the world, characters and events first seen in the genre-defining films Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049.
Synopsis:
A senior bioengineer for the Tyrell Corp is found hanging in her sealed laboratory, the victim of an apparent suicide. LAPD Detective Cal Moreaux—a war-scarred veteran of the bloody Off-world conflict known as Kalanthia, as depicted in the "Blackout 2022" Blade Runner anime—is sent to write it up, quickly, quietly and with the minimum of fuss. But something doesn't sit right with the detective, and it soon becomes apparent that this is anything but a "normal" suicide. Did the scientist's ground-breaking research on Nexus-model Replicants somehow contribute to her death? And is the apparent disappearance of a prototype Nexus unit also connected to the case? Det. Moreaux's investigation will draw him into a dark conspiracy behind Dr. Tyrell's Replicant empire.
The BLADE RUNNER ORIGINS series is being helmed by Mike Johnson (Supergirl, Star Trek), the award-winning co-writer of Titan's Blade Runner 2019, joined here by DC Comics veteran K. Perkins (Batwoman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl), and screenwriter Mellow Brown (American Gods, Calls).
"We're thrilled to be joining the creative team behind the Blade Runner comics, to bring fans the story behind the first Blade Runner unit. As fans ourselves, we look forward to expanding this universe, telling stories from new perspectives and shedding light on the corners of L.A. only hinted at in previous chapters." — Mellow Brown & K. Perkins
States Alcon's Johnson and Kosove: "The Blade Runner universe provides a vast canvas for a variety of compelling stories. How the Cal character ties in with events and characters from 2049, even though his story takes place forty years before the film, is a testament to the writers' creativity. We are thrilled to add a second ongoing comic to the world of Blade Runner."
Seasoned comic artist Fernando Dagnino (Justice League, Suicide Squad) brings a compelling visual interpretation to the iconic science fiction world of BLADE RUNNER ORIGINS. His dense, noir-inflected work is a perfect complement to the evocative style of the Blade Runner 2019 series, currently wrapping up its inaugural 12-issue run before launching a second year as Blade Runner 2029.
ORIGINS #1 will debut with a selection of amazing variant covers, including artwork by superstar artists Stanley "Artgerm" Lau and Peach Momoko, as well as a set of retro pulp-style covers by Robert Hack (Chilling Adventures of Sabrina), plus much more!
Blade Runner Origins #1 is set for release in comic stores and digital devices on February 24, 2021, and will be available to pre-order from the Diamond Previews December catalog and Forbidden Planet (UK & Europe).
For further news and developments, follow Titan Comics on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news/blade-runner-origins/
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Jun 25, 2020, 09:15:38 PM
I think a TV Series about BLADE RUNNER is more realistic. Like RAISED BY WOLVES in HBO MAX
I would definitely check that out.
;)
Quote(...) the latest rumor is claiming that a live-action TV show set in the world of Blade Runner is now in the works.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/liveaction-blade-runner-tv-show-reportedly-works/
I think an anime TV series would probably work better. In the style of that BR2049 prequel.
There is an anime coming. Blade Runner: Black Lotus.
Ah, I see it has it's own thread:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61069.msg2334492#msg2334492 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61069.msg2334492#msg2334492)
"Stygian.. the best!"
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Sean Young on Surviving Hollywood's Many Toxic Men
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-young-on-surviving-hollywoods-many-toxic-men
I wanted to ask you about Blade Runner, because the "love scene" in that film between your character and Harrison Ford's is incredibly aggressive and uncomfortable to watch. It almost starts out like it's going to be an assault. He pushes you, blocks the door, shoves you across the room, and then the saxophone kicks in and there's kissing.
Well, honestly, Ridley [Scott] wanted me to date him. He tried very hard in the beginning of the show to date him, and I never would. I was like, nah. And then he started dating the actress who played Zhora, Joanna Cassidy, and I felt relieved. And then we do this scene, and I think it was Ridley. I think Ridley was like, f**k you. I was thinking, "Why did this have to be like that? What was the point of that?" and I think it was Ridley's none-too-subtle message that he was getting even with me.
You rejected him and he didn't take it well.
I don't think so, no. He never hired me again, and that was weird. What the f**k? You hire Russell Crowe a gazillion times and you're not gonna hire me again? And I was very nice to Ridley over the years. I never badmouthed him. It didn't occur to me until later that I guess I'd offended him.
Was the final insult by Ridley giving you that 30-second hologram cameo in Blade Runner 2049?
Wasn't that so full of shit? And there was nothing I could do about it. It was very clear that they knew that the audience would be upset that I wasn't in it, but they didn't want me to bitch about that publicly. So, they paid me some money, made me sign a non-disclosure agreement, and gave me 30 seconds. And I was like, fine. They did give my son Quinn a job on 2049 in visual arts, and I said all was forgiven. He's got great skills.
Yeah, we discussed that in the Gucci thread...
Ah, thanks for the "heads up"!
Probably belongs in this thread though, you can always move that discussion here.
Not much discussion over there to move. It's probably okay in both places. Hicks can ultimately decide. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Sean Young on Surviving Hollywood's Many Toxic Men
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-young-on-surviving-hollywoods-many-toxic-men
I wanted to ask you about Blade Runner, because the "love scene" in that film between your character and Harrison Ford's is incredibly aggressive and uncomfortable to watch. It almost starts out like it's going to be an assault. He pushes you, blocks the door, shoves you across the room, and then the saxophone kicks in and there's kissing.
Well, honestly, Ridley [Scott] wanted me to date him. He tried very hard in the beginning of the show to date him, and I never would. I was like, nah. And then he started dating the actress who played Zhora, Joanna Cassidy, and I felt relieved. And then we do this scene, and I think it was Ridley. I think Ridley was like, f**k you. I was thinking, "Why did this have to be like that? What was the point of that?" and I think it was Ridley's none-too-subtle message that he was getting even with me.
You rejected him and he didn't take it well.
I don't think so, no. He never hired me again, and that was weird. What the f**k? You hire Russell Crowe a gazillion times and you're not gonna hire me again? And I was very nice to Ridley over the years. I never badmouthed him. It didn't occur to me until later that I guess I'd offended him.
Was the final insult by Ridley giving you that 30-second hologram cameo in Blade Runner 2049?
Wasn't that so full of shit? And there was nothing I could do about it. It was very clear that they knew that the audience would be upset that I wasn't in it, but they didn't want me to bitch about that publicly. So, they paid me some money, made me sign a non-disclosure agreement, and gave me 30 seconds. And I was like, fine. They did give my son Quinn a job on 2049 in visual arts, and I said all was forgiven. He's got great skills.
And why should've he hired her again ? "Cause she was nice to him ? I mean, is it like contractual obligation in Hollywood or something ?
He never hired that Harrison Ford bloke again either.
Nor Joanna Cassidy...
Has Ridley brought back any cast members from Blade Runner? It's probably more a result of how hellish the shoot was than anything.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 26, 2021, 07:45:57 PM
He never hired that Harrison Ford bloke again either.
Nor Joanna Cassidy...
What a hack ! I guess, Ford refused to date him too
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 26, 2021, 07:48:38 PM
Has Ridley brought back any cast members from Blade Runner?
In spirit:
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Grace Jones as android? Imagine that.
QuoteWhy Grace Jones turned down the lead role in Ridley Scott film 'Blade Runner'
Grace Jones is one of the most striking women to have ever entered the public consciousness. Her look screams superstar, and Jones brings a captivating element to everything she does. Whether this is on screen or on stage at the O2 Arena, Jones warrants your full attention.
When musicians make the often ill-fated switch to movies, it usually ends up being nothing short of a disaster — sorry, James Hetfield and Vanilla Ice. Acting is made to look easy by the professionals but made to look like rocket science when executed painfully poorly. Jones, though, who had made appearances in the movies before she'd ever released music, was just as comfortable on set as she was on stage.
Soon enough, everybody wanted a piece of Grace Jones. In the mid-1980s, she was simultaneously one of the most adored pop stars on the planet, as well as an A-list actress of which every director wanted to cast. Before Jones starred in Zula and A View To a Kill, however, she had been approached by Ridley Scott for a leading role in the now-iconic 1982 sci-fi picture Blade Runner, which she remarkably snubbed.
At the time, she was in a relationship with Jean-Paul Gaude. Her loyalties to the director prevented Jones from taking a role that would have ascended her career to the mountain top of Hollywood. Despite the slip-up, Jones holds no regrets. "Jean-Paul wanted me only to work with him," she explained in her 2015 memoirs, I'll Never Write My Memoirs. "Especially if I was going to do a film. He wanted me to do a film only with him, before anyone else. I knew he would be adamant that it was a bad move to appear in Blade Runner. I immediately said no, before I had even read the script and before I had even asked him. When he heard about the film, he said what I thought he would say — it would be too commercial, and I would become too Hollywood. I would be a sellout.
"I still had the script, though, and the night after I had passed on the part, I was flying to Paris. I decided to read it on the plane. I absolutely loved it. It was set in a universe I visited a lot in my work and play. As soon as I landed I decided I would call them back and reverse my decision. I was too late. Overnight they had cast someone else."
She continued: "I should have made that decision myself, rather than being caught up in Jean-Paul's rivalry with Ridley Scott in the world of commercials... If I had seen the film Ridley had made a couple of years before, The Duellists, which was fabulous, I wouldn't have thought for a moment about accepting. I said no without reading the script, which was very stupid of me," Jones admitted.
However, this wasn't the only A-list role that her relationship with Gaude prevented her from accepting. "The James Bond producers had really wanted me to be in a Bond movie, because in the 1980s, with the franchise threatened by changing times, they were chasing fashion and looking to reach a wider audience by involving more pop and rock," she explained.
"They had wanted me to be in Octopussy, in the title role, played by Maud Adams, but there was some anxiety about having a black woman as a villain. A Bond movie is, for all the appearance of sex and violence, a fundamentally very conservative franchise," Jones added.
While for most actors, the chance to play a leading role in a Bond movie is a once in a lifetime opportunity that they would climb over hot coals to gain an audition, Jones was the rare exception. Hollywood needed Jones rather than her needing the glamour of the industry, and, in truth, missing out on these opportunities is not a source of regret. When her relationship with Gaude ended, the phone was still ringing, and she finally caved in to the Broccoli family's demands by appearing in A View To A Kill.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/grace-jones-turned-down-lead-role-ridley-scott-blade-runner/
Don't think she was ever mentioned in Dangerous Days or Future Noir?
I know Dustin Hoffman was originally going to play Deckard. Scott and Michael Deely even had several meetings in NY with him and he was quite keen, but I think he wanted to change the story too much.
German documentary:
https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/089086-000-A/das-phaenomen-blade-runner/
French, English, Spanish, Polish and Italian subtitles available.
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1491083455752716292
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wow :o
I actually saw a pice left over from one of one of the original Blade Runner building miniatures at the Museum of the Moving Image in New York maybe five or so years back. Really cool stuff to see in person. I probably have a picture of it somewhere...
Those miniatures, nay, bigatures were huge. Probably why Blade Runner's special effects shots still hold up so well today. Still beats the best CGI available today. Same story with Alien.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
I actually saw a pice left over from one of one of the original Blade Runner building miniatures at the Museum of the Moving Image in New York maybe five or so years back. Really cool stuff to see in person. I probably have a picture of it somewhere...
Postpostpostpostpost !
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
I actually saw a pice left over from one of one of the original Blade Runner building miniatures at the Museum of the Moving Image in New York maybe five or so years back. Really cool stuff to see in person. I probably have a picture of it somewhere...
The Millennium Falcon and the spaceship from Dark Star also made a cameo posing as buildings in Blade Runner.
Dug it up on ye olde Facebook (which I really should delete at some point). It's a much shittier pic than I remember it being - guess I had the jitters - but, hey, better than nothing?
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Looks good. Thanks for posting ;)
Indeed! :o
Quote'Blade Runner 2099' Live-Action Sequel Series From Ridley Scott, Silka Luisa & Alcon In Works At Amazon Studios
EXCLUSIVE: The replicants are heading to the small-screen as Amazon Studios has put a live-action series set in the Blade Runner universe into development.
Ridley Scott, who directed the original 1982 Blade Runner movie, is executive producing the series, Blade Runner 2099, a follow-up to the feature film sequel Blade Runner 2049, which was released in 2017 and directed by Denis Villeneuve.
Silka Luisa, showrunner of Starz's upcoming Elisabeth Moss-fronted drama series Shining Girls, is writing and exec producing Blade Runner 2099, which comes from Scott Free Productions in association with Alcon Entertainment and Amazon Studios.
The project, which would mark the first Blade Runner live-action series, is in priority development at Amazon Studios, which is fast tracking scripts and eyeing potential production dates. Staffing is currently underway for writers to join a room. Scott may direct if the series moves forward, sources said.
https://deadline.com/2022/02/blade-runner-2099-sequel-series-ridley-scott-amazon-1234931521/
Oh yes yes yes
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 11, 2022, 05:23:25 PM
Scott may direct if the series moves forward, sources said.
...
Well holy shit.
And yes please on Scott directing.
Well, Blade Runner fans can get Ridley to direct new stuff why can't we Alien fans get ... oh wait
Anyway, not a BR fan so not really excited but glad for everybody who is
That's the news I've been waiting for. Wonder if there will be a Spider-Man 2099 crossover?
I do very much worry about the spectacle of Blade Runner losing its luster on the small screen but also, I can't help but be curious about an ongoing noir tale with investigation spanning a longer period of time.
Wonder if there's any intention to move away from the West Coast and go to another part of the country? Or another country? Or.... off-world?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2022, 06:08:19 PM
Or.... off-world?
Off-World with lots of Aliens.
Meanwhile the Alien series will stick to Earth with minimal or no Aliens.
I hope they will start shooting this year same as Alien series (September), then we can have both i 2023.
If this article has its facts right, Alien might not start shooting until 2023 now.
Shit.
Amazing news 🤩
Just a random think piece, but it seems to be asking a question that's been on a lot of people's minds since the Blade Runner 2099 announcement:
Could Blade Runner 2099 Finally Take the Franchise to Space?
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/blade-runner-2099-space-off-world/
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2022, 06:08:19 PM
Or.... off-world?
Off-World with lots of Aliens.
Meanwhile the Alien series will stick to Earth with minimal or no Aliens.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2022, 05:12:29 PM
Just a random think piece, but it seems to be asking a question that's been on a lot of people's minds since the Blade Runner 2099 announcement:
Could Blade Runner 2099 Finally Take the Franchise to Space?
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/blade-runner-2099-space-off-world/
It had better. Plain ol' chasing replicants isn't enough anymore. Hampton and Denis knew that, and that's why '49 is a lot 'twistier' than the original. A future show can't be about the main character trying to figure out if they're Deckard's
grandson/daughter. Take it to space! :)
Harrison Ford in talks for
Blade Runner 2099.
QuoteIt was a solid year ago when Giant Freakin Robot exclusively reported that a live-action Blade Runner series was on the way. It took a long time for that news to be publicly confirmed, and we were anxiously waiting for more progress on this next step for the franchise. A few months ago, Giant Freakin Robot learned that Ridley Scott wants Harrison Ford in the live-action Blade Runner series. Now, we have an exciting update. A trusted and proven inside source has shared that Harrison Ford is in talks for Blade Runner 2099.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/exclusive-harrison-ford-blade-runner-2099.html
With GFR being the source, I kind of doubt it. Also not sure what Decakrd would have to do 80 years removed from the original film...
I thought the same about GFR as a source.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2022, 08:18:49 PM
With GFR being the source, I kind of doubt it. Also not sure what Decakrd would have to do 80 years removed from the original film...
Flashbacks?
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 03, 2022, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2022, 08:18:49 PM
With GFR being the source, I kind of doubt it. Also not sure what Decakrd would have to do 80 years removed from the original film...
Flashbacks?
I'm picturing the Harrison Ford cameo in the Young Indiana Jones TV series.
I kinda wonder if the new Indy movie will play to that in any way, come to think of it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 06, 2022, 02:19:25 AM
I'm picturing the Harrison Ford cameo in the Young Indiana Jones TV series.
Deckard plays a synth saxophone note on his MIDI keyboard, causing tears in the rain to crash down and bury the bad guys?
From the same company that made the Alien RPG:
https://twitter.com/TechRaptor/status/1512122297884106776
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That's genuinely pretty rad.
Just take my money!
An old article written by Paul M. Sammon about a visit to the Blade Runner set during filming. Paul M. Sammon would later go on to write the definitive book about the making of Blade Runner, Future Noir.
In this article he mistakenly writes that it takes place in "New York in 2020". While Blade Runner was at one point intended to take place in New York, I'm pretty sure that by the time they started filming it was already changed to Los Angeles. The year 2020 was also dropped and changed to 2019 because of it's association with perfect vision.
Sammon also mentions "Spinner chase sequences" and "black hole guns". Of course there is no Spinner chases in the final film and the black hole gun was dropped although a remnant of a visual effect still remains in the film and can be seen when Leon gives Holden the good news.
Note also Ridley's aversion to the term "android", a taboo word on the Blade Runner set.
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1527332084871618570
Oh no...
Vangelis. The Man, The Myth, The Legend. RIP.
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Damn... rip
Ridley hanging with Vangelis, Paris 1992:
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His impressive studio. Nemo Studios, London:
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Absolute legend, R.I.P.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1534587832207130629
Haven't played it yet but I remember when it came out. Need to give it a go at some point.
Reviews of the enhanced edition are not good.
I thought it was just a graphical update of the acclaimed 1997 point & click adventure game?
Basically yes.
Damn, I was excited to get this, but I'll just stick with the GOG version if this one looks worse.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 24, 2022, 09:20:49 AMI thought it was just a graphical update of the acclaimed 1997 point & click adventure game?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1678420/Blade_Runner_Enhanced_Edition/
I really wish the guys who made Alien Isolation would make a Blade Runner game.
The closest you will get's Observer, that starred Rutger Hauer.
What is the Tannhäuser Gate,
@The Eighth Passenger ? According to Wikipedia Tannhäuser was a German poet.
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Rutger made it up.
I borrowed the BR2029 Graphic Novel from my local library. About to finally read it.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 28, 2022, 11:01:57 PMI really wish the guys who made Alien Isolation would make a Blade Runner game.
I really wish the guys who made Alien Isolation would make another Alien Isolation game.
Apparently, guys who made Alien Isolation are making original sci fi fps game
@BlueMarsalis79, link, please ?
It's not what anyone wanted lol.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 23, 2022, 06:39:01 PMNevermind, who gives a f**k...
https://mobile.twitter.com/LumpyTheCook/status/1539739729511342080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hl40-szZ68
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 28, 2022, 11:09:24 PMThe closest you will get's Observer, that starred Rutger Hauer.
I really liked that game.
QuoteJune 1982: Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott in Chicago prior to the release of Blade Runner.
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I can hear it in my head:
"- I hate you
- I hate you more"
"Listen, I'm the guv'nor and you will do as I tell you!"
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1542959856398786562
Joe Turkel (Tyrell) has passed away...
The God of biomechanics enters into heaven then.
Very sad to hear.
Good thing Jack Torrance took over his bartender job.
When Jack Torrance and Niander Wallace are your replacement..
RIP
He always seemed like such a nice man. Sad news, but then again, 94 is nothing to sneeze at either.
Clear skies, Joe Turkel!
RIP
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Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 31, 2022, 02:59:42 AMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY9mDftWQAA_u1C?format=jpg&name=900x900
- Look, all you have to do is just squeeze his eyes inside them eyesockets like crazy. Imagine he called your mother a whore, that should help
- Like this ?
- Yeah, like that ... what's so funny ?
- His blood tickles my fingers
I don't recall seeing this one before:
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Another still of Rachael waiting for Deckard while he buys a bottle of Ching Tao.
There is actually still a bit of a gaffe (pardon the pun) in the Final Cut. When Deckard buys a bottle of vodka after shooting Zhora, you can see Rachael standing right behind him with the hookers. When he walks away with Gaff, he would have walked right past her and Gaff would have seen her as well. After talking to Bryant, Deckard then seemingly notices her for the first time across the street.
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In an earlier cut and the way it was filmed, Deckard only buys the vodka after Rachael kills Leon, hence why they are together in that scene.
I've seen Blade Runner about 100 times and it's now just crossed my mind what a statement it must be in that society for Rachel to wear a fur coat.
Rumour.
QuoteTV sequel to Ridley Scott's Blade Runner 'coming to NI'
Second sequel to sci-fi classic the talk of the town, says film industry insider
Filming for a second sequel to Ridley Scott's sci-fi masterpiece Blade Runner is heavily rumoured to be coming to Northern Ireland.
"Everyone's talking about it and everyone wants a job on the production", industry sources told this newspaper.
The 1982 classic, starring Harrison Ford and Rutger Hauer, enjoyed a renaissance in 2017 with the release of the long-awaited sequel Blade Runner 2049.
Now, Amazon Studios and director Scott are working together on another sequel, this time in the form of a TV series entitled Blade Runner 2099.
The show, announced towards the end of last year, could mean a second return for original star Harrison Ford, with Scott the executive producer.
Sources told Sunday Life rumours about the production coming to Northern Ireland were swirling around the industry as excitement builds.
While nothing official has been confirmed, there is a strong likelihood it could be shot on these shores.
Northern Ireland Screen declined to comment on the rumours.
When he announced the series, Scott said a pilot had already been written.
It was revealed in February that despite taking on the executive producer role, the director may helm a number of episodes.
That same month, it was reported that the project was in "priority development" at Amazon Studios, meaning the company was fast-tracking scripts, eyeing potential production dates and looking at recruiting staff.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/tv-sequel-to-ridley-scotts-blade-runner-coming-to-ni-41942290.html
Mmm... this might be what Scott is doing next since we heard nothing further about Gladiator 2.
The Halo Nightfall tv series that Scott produced was also filmed in Northern Ireland.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 28, 2022, 10:15:38 PMThe Halo Nightfall tv series that Scott produced was also filmed in Northern Ireland.
It still blows my mind just how bad that thing was (I had to stop watching after less than 30 minutes, I just couldn't go any farther), given the talent involved. Sergio Mimica-Gezzan directed some of the absolute best episodes of
Battlestar Galactica and
Raised By Wolves and, apparently (I haven't yet seen the show, though it is on my list to start up soon)
For All Mankind.
Anyways, regarding this potential news about
Blade Runner 2099, I remain very curious about what this thing is exactly, and hope that Ridley is indeed actually directing at least some of it personally.
At least Scott had nothing to do with Halo Nightfall personally, other than having his name attached as producer.
Scott Free however should already have all the necessary contacts and support personnel in Belfast, so the rumour does sound legit.
Northern Ireland doesn't really scream LA though, but then again 2049 was filmed in Budapest.
I'll let you know if I see anything.
Great, I'll try and find out whereabouts they'll be shooting.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 28, 2022, 09:40:11 PMRumour.
Quote...the long-awaited sequel Blade Runner 2049.
Well let's not get carried away now. Everybody was pretty much
dreading a sequel to BR. Who knew it was gonna actually be good?!? ;D
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1570442724855390209
Welp, it's happening. Very curious to see how this all plays out.
The only problem I have is that Amazon (The Rings of Power ... cough, cough) is paying the bills. On the other hand, Netflix made some amazing shows (Fargo, Squid Game) and some horrid ones like The Witcher. Everything probably depends who's producing and not what platform is making it. I hope.
So Ridley isn't directing? Shall we trust Silka Luisa as a writer?
As long as they don't f**k up the nature of Deckard, which 2049 beautifully avoided, they can do whatever they want.
I'd imagine that Deckard is likely long dead in 2099, be he human or replicant.
If I had to guess, this is likely going to be set in the aftermath of the replicant revolution that Blade Runner 2049 set the stage for, which Deckard and Rachel's daughter Ana would have been a major factor in.
Wouldn't be shocked to see this (at least partially) set off-world, too. And with Deckard likely not in the picture and no real ties to LA directly, I'd imagine we could be seeing a different setting than we're used to in this world for any Earth-set stuff as well. 2049 opened the world a bit with Vegas. Will be interesting to see where Blade Runner 2099 takes us, now.
There is comic Blade Runner 2019: Off World written by Michael Green, so why not.
I enjoyed Black Lotus, which everyone seems to have forgotten (or not seen), so I'm all for this.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 15, 2022, 04:56:03 PMI'd imagine that Deckard is likely long dead in 2099, be he human or replicant.
If I had to guess, this is likely going to be set in the aftermath of the replicant revolution that Blade Runner 2049 set the stage for, which Deckard and Rachel's daughter Ana would have been a major factor in.
Wouldn't be shocked to see this (at least partially) set off-world, too. And with Deckard likely not in the picture and no real ties to LA directly, I'd imagine we could be seeing a different setting than we're used to in this world for any Earth-set stuff as well. 2049 opened the world a bit with Vegas. Will be interesting to see where Blade Runner 2099 takes us, now.
I too figured a 3rd movie would explore the Replicant Revolution. If it's 2099 then yeah it will be post Revolution; maybe it was supressed post 2049 and they are rising again? So many possibilities. My fan day dream is for the lead to be a female detective, thinking Rinko Kikuchi going full trenchcoat, hat and cigerette smoking!
Also will they bring anyone back? Possibly Mackenzie Davis? Also how will Wallace factor in? He seems like a dude that's going to want immortality.
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 15, 2022, 06:17:17 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 15, 2022, 04:56:03 PMI'd imagine that Deckard is likely long dead in 2099, be he human or replicant.
If I had to guess, this is likely going to be set in the aftermath of the replicant revolution that Blade Runner 2049 set the stage for, which Deckard and Rachel's daughter Ana would have been a major factor in.
Wouldn't be shocked to see this (at least partially) set off-world, too. And with Deckard likely not in the picture and no real ties to LA directly, I'd imagine we could be seeing a different setting than we're used to in this world for any Earth-set stuff as well. 2049 opened the world a bit with Vegas. Will be interesting to see where Blade Runner 2099 takes us, now.
I too figured a 3rd movie would explore the Replicant Revolution. If it's 2099 then yeah it will be post Revolution; maybe it was supressed post 2049 and they are rising again? So many possibilities. My fan day dream is for the lead to be a female detective, thinking Rinko Kikuchi going full trenchcoat, hat and cigerette smoking!
Also will they bring anyone back? Possibly Mackenzie Davis? Also how will Wallace factor in? He seems like a dude that's going to want immortality.
Rinko is a good shout. She was great in her supporting role in Tokyo Vice.
That all said I hope they keep the story 'small' and not too grand. That's what I love about the two films - despite their grandiose visuals the stories were very much focused on a handful of characters and their role in the wider scheme of things.
I'm hoping that this might spur them into releasing Black Lotus on Blu-ray. No idea why it hasn't been released on home media.
https://twitter.com/SundayLifeJohn/status/1579808775518949376
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1580574424860086277
Given that Lauzirika was behind the excellent Dangerous Days documentary, I have to wonder what his (for reasons) are...
Dangerous Days finally in HD, for a potential BR 4K release? I'd buy that in a heartbeat, and I'm not even doing 4K yet.
The last 30 minutes are the best part of the film.
But they're better with Goldsmith's Planet or the Apes score and I'll die on that hill.
Last time I said that in this thread ended poorly but f**k it.
Then perish.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2022, 11:14:16 AMThe last 30 minutes are the best part of the film.
But they're better with Goldsmith's Planet or the Apes score and I'll die on that hill.
Last time I said that in this thread ended poorly but f**k it.
I've seen Blade Runner a countless amount of times, I think it's probably the film I've watched the most and every time I see it I'm always surprised that the movie has entered the final act. Every time I think, "wait we are here already?". It's such a tightly edited movie and Vangelis' score helps it truck along in a dreamlike state (something I felt was missing from 2049, the silence in places was a brace choice that didn't quite work for me in places).
Vangelis' soundtrack is the thing that makes the film unwatchable for me. It puts me to sleep over those long model shots of the city.
Which isn't an insult. It's great music. It's just too damn chill.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2022, 07:11:46 PMVangelis' soundtrack is the thing that makes the film unwatchable for me. It puts me to sleep over those long model shots of the city.
Which isn't an insult. It's great music. It's just too damn chill.
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Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 14, 2022, 09:16:28 AMDangerous Days finally in HD, for a potential BR 4K release? I'd buy that in a heartbeat, and I'm not even doing 4K yet.
Blade Runner's already in 4K.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 15, 2022, 05:18:59 AMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 14, 2022, 09:16:28 AMDangerous Days finally in HD, for a potential BR 4K release? I'd buy that in a heartbeat, and I'm not even doing 4K yet.
Blade Runner's already in 4K.
And it is glorious.
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 16, 2022, 12:28:58 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 15, 2022, 05:18:59 AMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 14, 2022, 09:16:28 AMDangerous Days finally in HD, for a potential BR 4K release? I'd buy that in a heartbeat, and I'm not even doing 4K yet.
Blade Runner's already in 4K.
And it is glorious.
And it's finally in my collection too but then I see this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQGAMO9cH5g
f**king hell. Haven't seen this version before.
The UK ratings logos make it a no go for me honestly.
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 16, 2022, 05:39:19 PMf**king hell. Haven't seen this version before.
Just announced. They are also doing similar treamtment for a few other classics too https://vice-press.com/blogs/news/the-film-vault (https://vice-press.com/blogs/news/the-film-vault)
My Blade Runner 5 disc collectors tin is still one of my favourite things that I own. I upgraded to Blu Ray for the final cut but must try and track down the other versions in High Def, having said that, The Final Cut is the best by far.
Quote from: T Dog on Oct 17, 2022, 07:21:29 PMMy Blade Runner 5 disc collectors tin is still one of my favourite things that I own. I upgraded to Blu Ray for the final cut but must try and track down the other versions in High Def, having said that, The Final Cut is the best by far.
Is that the numbered briefcase you're talking about? I've got one of those, too. #001,680/103,000.
A friend missed the last bus, so they got introduced to The Final Cut tonight and loved it.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 17, 2022, 11:15:39 PMA friend missed the last bus, so they got introduced to The Final Cut tonight and loved it.
An interesting way to say "I tied them to a chair and made them watch it"
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 17, 2022, 08:29:42 PMQuote from: T Dog on Oct 17, 2022, 07:21:29 PMMy Blade Runner 5 disc collectors tin is still one of my favourite things that I own. I upgraded to Blu Ray for the final cut but must try and track down the other versions in High Def, having said that, The Final Cut is the best by far.
Is that the numbered briefcase you're talking about? I've got one of those, too. #001,680/103,000.
Nah, just the below, I think the briefcase was too pricey for me back then.
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 17, 2022, 11:15:39 PMA friend missed the last bus, so they got introduced to The Final Cut tonight and loved it.
Did you explain that Blade Runner and Alien are totally a shared universe?
Yeah, when will Disney buy WB so we can get our sweet, sweet Alien vs Blade Runner crossover ?
If Disney buys WB then we'll get a Marvel vs DC crossover too.
hooray!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 19, 2022, 05:00:49 AMIf Disney buys WB then we'll get a Marvel vs DC crossover too.
If Disney buys Warner we can have an AEW VS Star Wars VS Predator Battle Royale.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 18, 2022, 10:24:07 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 17, 2022, 11:15:39 PMA friend missed the last bus, so they got introduced to The Final Cut tonight and loved it.
Did you explain that Blade Runner and Alien are totally a shared universe?
Yes.
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Have you told them that Deckard is supposed to be a replicant ?
No.
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Quote from: T Dog on Oct 18, 2022, 09:56:02 PMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 17, 2022, 08:29:42 PMQuote from: T Dog on Oct 17, 2022, 07:21:29 PMMy Blade Runner 5 disc collectors tin is still one of my favourite things that I own. I upgraded to Blu Ray for the final cut but must try and track down the other versions in High Def, having said that, The Final Cut is the best by far.
Is that the numbered briefcase you're talking about? I've got one of those, too. #001,680/103,000.
Nah, just the below, I think the briefcase was too pricey for me back then.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51V--u-esGL._AC_SY350_.jpg
I also have that set. And the Blu-ray with the model spinner. And the 4K...
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 26, 2022, 07:20:12 AMQuote from: T Dog on Oct 18, 2022, 09:56:02 PMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 17, 2022, 08:29:42 PMQuote from: T Dog on Oct 17, 2022, 07:21:29 PMMy Blade Runner 5 disc collectors tin is still one of my favourite things that I own. I upgraded to Blu Ray for the final cut but must try and track down the other versions in High Def, having said that, The Final Cut is the best by far.
Is that the numbered briefcase you're talking about? I've got one of those, too. #001,680/103,000.
Nah, just the below, I think the briefcase was too pricey for me back then.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51V--u-esGL._AC_SY350_.jpg
I also have that set. And the Blu-ray with the model spinner. And the 4K...
I don't have a 4k TV yet, but when I do BR will be the first 4k I get .
Me: "Can I put i-"
"NO!" :D
Anyone watch Black Lotus?
No. I'm not convinced. Should I watch it?
It was pretty good. Don't be thrown off by the opening song, the music is generally great.
The story is straightforward with some interesting tie-ins with Blade Runner 2049 at the end.
I enjoyed it. Kinda disappointed it was never released on blu-ray.
It's got a little too much 'ninja anime' style, but there are some really good bits. There's also a sequel comic now.
Cannot wait to buy it. I own The One Ring by Free League and it's superb. Haven't played it yet though.
They've done a man's job, sir. In particular the chase rules are perfect. Also the idea of timekeeping - NPCs will do things at certain times, regardless of where the players are and what they're up to at that particular moment.
Also it's the first rpg I've ever seen which encourages 'splitting the party', which is a great relief to me; I couldn't really get my head around the idea of a 'merry band' of Blade Runners travelling around.
I see it's from the Secrets of Dune guy.
Could there still be any "secrets" left that Paul M. Sammon and Charles de Lauzirika missed?
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Has this been shared here? Don't know how accurate the source is, but apparently Blade Runner 2099 starts shooting this July in Ireland, and will shoot through to early 2024:
https://moviesr.net/p-sci-fi-series-blade-runner-2099-begins-filming-in-summer-2023-at-amazon
It's been mentioned but don't know how legit it is.
@The Eighth Passenger Where are you getting all these amazing production stills from?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 27, 2023, 05:27:06 PMHas this been shared here? Don't know how accurate the source is, but apparently Blade Runner 2099 starts shooting this July in Ireland, and will shoot through to early 2024:
https://moviesr.net/p-sci-fi-series-blade-runner-2099-begins-filming-in-summer-2023-at-amazon
I asked my Irish film/tv production pal about this, they are based in Dublin so don't really know a ton about what happens in Belfast; BUT when I mentioned it being shot in Belfast they said "huh is it an Amazon thing?.....I think I have heard about that last year"
Just an update from my friend today: Word on the grapevine is that this keeps getting pushed and pushed and they don't think the start date will be until towards the end of the year!
They are all from various accounts on Twitter. Like the Alien stills, one still sometimes come across new ones, even after 40 years.
https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/712591534261198848
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Blade Runner stuff never gets old.
Any news about TV series? I haven't found anything new recently.
T Dog posted above that it looks like it's only likely to start filming at the end of the year due to delays.
"Jigety jig, home again!"
Kaiser and Bear:
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Rumor? Jodie Comer to reunite with Ridley Scott on Blade Runner 2099.
https://moviehole.net/jodie-comer-to-reunite-with-ridley-scott-on-blade-runner-2099/
Would love some more EU material for Blade Runner, there are a few comic series but it's not enough.
How about a new game?
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 08, 2023, 01:57:31 PMRumor? Jodie Comer to reunite with Ridley Scott on Blade Runner 2099.
https://moviehole.net/jodie-comer-to-reunite-with-ridley-scott-on-blade-runner-2099/
Oh, I would
love this.
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 08, 2023, 02:21:06 PMWould love some more EU material for Blade Runner, there are a few comic series but it's not enough.
How about a new game?
Have you got the tabletop RPG from Free League? Lots o' good stuff in there!
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 08, 2023, 01:57:31 PMRumor? Jodie Comer to reunite with Ridley Scott on Blade Runner 2099.
https://moviehole.net/jodie-comer-to-reunite-with-ridley-scott-on-blade-runner-2099/
I think if there is a new detective in this then it would be interesting to have a female lead for a change.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 08, 2023, 05:41:23 PMQuote from: Wweyland on Mar 08, 2023, 02:21:06 PMWould love some more EU material for Blade Runner, there are a few comic series but it's not enough.
How about a new game?
Have you got the tabletop RPG from Free League? Lots o' good stuff in there!
Good point, I will order this.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1635732928800890880
I hope Scott will direct at least one episode.
And perhaps Denis Villeneuve could make one
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2023, 08:57:33 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1635732928800890880
Is he good?
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Your director?
Very experience tv director: Dexter, The Tudors, Homeland, American Horror Story, Game of Thrones, True Detective, The Handmaid's Tale and Station Eleven.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0687964/?ref_=nmnw_hd
Yeah but it was a Season 2 episode of True Detective. :laugh: But that mess was mostly Pizzolatto's fault.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 15, 2023, 12:27:16 PMYeah but it was a Season 2 episode of True Detective. :laugh: But that mess was mostly Pizzolatto's fault.
Season Two is still good in my book. Better than Season Three anyway.
Season 1 was a masterpiece but season 2 was fine in my book.
Jeremy Podeswa didn't write True Detective so I'm not worried. He's got experience working on big tv projects.
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QuoteUnveiling Ridley Scott's Cinematic Grail:
'The Illustrated Blade Runner'
By Sven Mikulec
There's probably no proper or adequate way to introduce Blade Runner, Ridley Scott's 1982 masterpiece that proved so influential and beloved across countries and generations, to our readers. Luckily for us, there's actually no need to. This is not an essay on the complexities of the film's dystopian vision or the stylistic choices that still echo in today's cinema. Anyone even remotely familiar with our website is most likely well aware of the impact Scott's bleak sci-fi spectacle has had on cinema and cinemagoers alike. Written by Hampton Fancher and David Webb Peoples, adapted from Philip K. Dick's 1968 novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, this captivating and visually stunning story of Rick Deckard and his hunt for replicants has stood the test of time, remaining one of the inescapable pillars of modern science fiction. Its road to general recognition and universal respect was a rather complicated one, as it's often the case with brilliant films with mediocre immediate financial results, but years have been kind to Scott's picture, whose originality and style transcends genre preferences. But as we've already stated, the reason you're here is hardly to be reminded of Blade Runner's greatness. We're here for one reason and one reason only: to offer you unprecedented insight into the holy grail of impossible-to-get collector's memorabilia. Ladies and gentlemen, we bring to you The Illustrated Blade Runner.
When the film came out in 1982, Blue Dolphin published this paperback book so as to enrich the film release, along with the Blade Runner Sketchbook. Standing as invaluable accessories and offering greater depth to Blade Runner's irresistible lore, both books went out of print over the years and became highly desirable objects on the market. While the sketchbook, a brilliant collection of Syd Mead, Mentor Huebner, Charles Knode, Michael Kaplan and Ridley Scott's production designs, can be luckily found floating around the vast online ocean, The Illustrated Blade Runner remained unattainable for our thirsty eyes, with occasional copies of questionable quality popping up at online retailers for basically small fortunes. As we've finally gotten our paws on a mint copy, we're delighted to be able to share this little piece of treasure with all of you.
The Illustrated Blade Runner offers not only Hampton Fancher and David Webb Peoples' working screenplay, but their iconic text is gorgeously enhanced with lavish storyboards and detailed illustrations. The value of it lies in the fact that we're finally able to fully appreciate the script that carved out the magic of Blade Runner. A true collector's edition if there ever was one, this 96-page book is a perfect companion to the Blade Runner collection on your shelves. Even if you're out of luck in terms of acquiring the physical copy of the book, just as we've been for decades, it's still marvelous to be able to absorb all this beauty online. As Cinephilia and Beyond tries to stay true to its main credo—sharing knowledge and instilling passion for cinema—nothing makes us happier than bringing The Illustrated Blade Runner to light [PDF]. (NOTE: For educational and research purposes only). Dive deep, absorb, enjoy. God knows it's been a long time coming.
HAMPTON FANCHER AND DAVID WEBB PEOPLES
Host Jeff Goldsmith interviews co-writers Hampton Fancher and David Webb Peoples about the 1982 sci-fi classic film Blade Runner.
Fancher: "I loved Ridley from the get-go. He was inspiring, he was awesome. You catch a virus from him and you can't stop."
Peoples: "I was coming in to do what Ridley wanted. He let me do a lot of things on my own, and that was fine, but really I was being brought on to move the script in the direction Ridley wanted."
Peoples: "I didn't think for a minute that Deckard was a replicant... But as I read it several years later, it says Deckard is a replicant even if that wasn't what I meant. And I wonder if that was from me when Ridley finally said 'Ha, Deckard's a replicant!'"
Fancher: "It's a bit ambiguous, you know. I always say one thing, and I'm sick of saying it. When the cat's out of the bag, the cat's out of the bag. Let's leave the cat in the bag."
We go further behind the scenes to trace the development of the screenplay from the viewpoint of the two men who, independently of the other, made their contributions to its development. —Starlog Magazine Issue 058
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Inside the article (and below) is 97 pages long illustrated BR screenplay! ;D
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ha90htnajh6q5jy/The%20Illustrated%20BLADE%20RUNNER.pdf?dl=0
Or you can buy it on e-bay for $222.00 :P
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185823134630?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=185823134630&targetid=1345196708797&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1007266&poi=&campaignid=9437781746&mkgroupid=123206633992&rlsatarget=pla-1345196708797&abcId=578896&merchantid=681448654&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlPWgBhDHARIsAH2xdNeWn95tTa7psrLDzhOQE-jGie4Tep5JVaqPgW4rvQIHYCCNifx1J6gaAm5UEALw_wcB
https://youtu.be/UbiytKetDg4?t=3117
Timestamped, in this interview Jodie Comer denies the rumors that she's in 2099.
Ingwar has posted some questionable things, but he has also posted extraordinary things.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 30, 2023, 04:54:23 PMIngwar has posted some questionable things
;D
QuoteExclusive: Ryan Gosling Is In Blade Runner 2099 Series As New Character
We've learned that Ryan Gosling will appear in Amazon's upcoming Blade Runner 2099 series, but not as his character from Blade Runner 2049.
If there's one thing replicants like to do, it's, apparently, replicate. Our trusted proven sources tell us that Ryan Gosling will be appearing in Amazon's upcoming Blade Runner 2099 series, but not as his Blade Runner 2049 character K. Gosling will play a brand new character, and we think it's likely he will be a replicant just like the character from the 2017 sequel.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2099.html
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 30, 2023, 05:44:01 PMQuoteExclusive: Ryan Gosling Is In Blade Runner 2099 Series As New Character
We've learned that Ryan Gosling will appear in Amazon's upcoming Blade Runner 2099 series, but not as his character from Blade Runner 2049.
If there's one thing replicants like to do, it's, apparently, replicate. Our trusted proven sources tell us that Ryan Gosling will be appearing in Amazon's upcoming Blade Runner 2099 series, but not as his Blade Runner 2049 character K. Gosling will play a brand new character, and we think it's likely he will be a replicant just like the character from the 2017 sequel.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2099.html
:laugh:
But imagine this trusted proven source is right ;D
Maybe... we'll see.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2023, 04:20:28 PMGFR is the source there so I wouldn't usually trust that but.... turns out they were on the money with that Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein casting! A broken clock is right twice a day, I guess?
Frances McDormand might be joining. Take this rumor with a grain of salt.
https://moviehole.net/oscar-winner-mcdormand-rumored-for-blade-runner-2099/
https://twitter.com/AlexJND20/status/1650147811143327747
Hope they're liking Belfast
There ares reasons why they chose Ireland. Rain is probably one the them :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 24, 2023, 10:58:00 AMThere ares reasons why they chose Ireland. Rain is probably one the them :)
I can attest to this. The weather stinks in Ireland most of the time.
I love rain. I live in northern England but it's not as rainy as in Ireland, Wales or Scotland.
I'm reading through the (fairly) recent Blade Runner comic books. I'd read "Blade Runner 2019" volumes 1 and 2 but it's been a while so I'm re-reading them, and then I've got BR 2019 volume 3, BR 2029 volumes 1-3, and BR Origins volumes 1-3. Apparently BR 2039 is also coming out at the moment, with Volume 1 just having wrapped up.
I also learned the Blade Runner RPG references the 1997 Blade Runner point-and-click videogame, which is pretty sweet. Glad that game got some recognition.
Just finished a replay of that game (the Good Old Games version, not the botched remaster). Still great. Loved seeing the references in the RPG.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2023, 01:14:15 AMI'm reading through the (fairly) recent Blade Runner comic books. I'd read "Blade Runner 2019" volumes 1 and 2 but it's been a while so I'm re-reading them, and then I've got BR 2019 volume 3, BR 2029 volumes 1-3, and BR Origins volumes 1-3. Apparently BR 2039 is also coming out at the moment, with Volume 1 just having wrapped up.
I also learned the Blade Runner RPG references the 1997 Blade Runner point-and-click videogame, which is pretty sweet. Glad that game got some recognition.
How are the comics? I plan to get them, and the game is one my bucket list (but not yet on Steam).
Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 27, 2023, 09:43:17 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2023, 01:14:15 AMI'm reading through the (fairly) recent Blade Runner comic books. I'd read "Blade Runner 2019" volumes 1 and 2 but it's been a while so I'm re-reading them, and then I've got BR 2019 volume 3, BR 2029 volumes 1-3, and BR Origins volumes 1-3. Apparently BR 2039 is also coming out at the moment, with Volume 1 just having wrapped up.
I also learned the Blade Runner RPG references the 1997 Blade Runner point-and-click videogame, which is pretty sweet. Glad that game got some recognition.
How are the comics? I plan to get them, and the game is one my bucket list (but not yet on Steam).
Comics are pretty good. Some are good enough that they could be adapted into a film. In my opinion, anyway.
https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/1652372795224117253
Was she ever onboard in the first place?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 30, 2023, 04:25:43 PMTimestamped, in this interview Jodie Comer denies the rumors that she's in 2099.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 29, 2023, 06:30:31 PMWas she ever onboard in the first place?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 30, 2023, 04:25:43 PMTimestamped, in this interview Jodie Comer denies the rumors that she's in 2099.
Not that I'm aware of, and Sneider is another guy I'd lump in with GFR/WGTC on most days, but figured it was worth a post when I saw it in my feed just in case.
Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 27, 2023, 09:43:17 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2023, 01:14:15 AMI'm reading through the (fairly) recent Blade Runner comic books. I'd read "Blade Runner 2019" volumes 1 and 2 but it's been a while so I'm re-reading them, and then I've got BR 2019 volume 3, BR 2029 volumes 1-3, and BR Origins volumes 1-3. Apparently BR 2039 is also coming out at the moment, with Volume 1 just having wrapped up.
I also learned the Blade Runner RPG references the 1997 Blade Runner point-and-click videogame, which is pretty sweet. Glad that game got some recognition.
How are the comics? I plan to get them, and the game is one my bucket list (but not yet on Steam).
I just finished re-reading volume 1 and I'm digging it. It's a little tough to pin down precisely where in the timeline it happens in 2019, it seems to be at least before the movie 'Blade Runner' because Eldon Tyrell seems to still be alive when the comic takes place.
I'm also watching Blade Runner: Black Lotus on Amazon Prime, it's pretty neat too.
I watched Black Lotus and liked it quite a bit; I was surprised by how complex some of the characters were (especially Joseph), and the fight scenes were fantastic. I loved Marlowe's red spinner, that thing was fantastic.
Still making my way through the comics, I'm digging them for the most part.
Well let me clarify that; I finished the 2019 comics and liked them, about 1/3 of the way through 2029 and I'm liking those as well, but the Black Lotus sequel comic series is falling a little flat for me. I think a lot of it is the art - it just kind of sucks. It's especially bizarre when a character is described as being "beautiful" and then the artwork just doesn't reflect that at all, it's just a pet peeve of mine. It feels a little too "Mad Max" and not really enough "Blade Runner". I dunno, I'm only halfway through it, maybe it gets better.
I also grabbed the RPG sourcebook - glad to see it gives a shout-out to the 1997 point-and-click adventure game, but other than that it seems a little light on references to other "expanded universe" stuff. Other than mentioning the Blackout, it doesn't mention the attack on the Seawall from the 2029 comic volume 1 (which seems like a big deal), or the Tyrell building being in ruins, or seemingly anything from Black Lotus so far. Not a dealbreaker or anything, I just like franchise cross-pollination.
That business about the Tyrell buildings being in ruins always irked me, because you can see them standing tall in BR2049.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 16, 2023, 12:13:50 PMI watched Black Lotus and liked it quite a bit; I was surprised by how complex some of the characters were (especially Joseph), and the fight scenes were fantastic. I loved Marlowe's red spinner, that thing was fantastic.
Still making my way through the comics, I'm digging them for the most part.
Well let me clarify that; I finished the 2019 comics and liked them, about 1/3 of the way through 2029 and I'm liking those as well, but the Black Lotus sequel comic series is falling a little flat for me. I think a lot of it is the art - it just kind of sucks. It's especially bizarre when a character is described as being "beautiful" and then the artwork just doesn't reflect that at all, it's just a pet peeve of mine. It feels a little too "Mad Max" and not really enough "Blade Runner". I dunno, I'm only halfway through it, maybe it gets better.
I also grabbed the RPG sourcebook - glad to see it gives a shout-out to the 1997 point-and-click adventure game, but other than that it seems a little light on references to other "expanded universe" stuff. Other than mentioning the Blackout, it doesn't mention the attack on the Seawall from the 2029 comic volume 1 (which seems like a big deal), or the Tyrell building being in ruins, or seemingly anything from Black Lotus so far. Not a dealbreaker or anything, I just like franchise cross-pollination.
I think the Blade Runner comics are great overall, but I agree that the Black Lotus sequel is underwhelming, mainly because of the art.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1662106662411591681
Blade Runner: Isolation?
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jun 29, 2023, 09:04:57 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCgmRTexkEU
Oh crap, looks like you get to use the device that Ana was using in
2049 to create memories to (re-)create crime scenes here. Very cool. I hope you get to run a Voight-Kampff test on some older Replicants in this, too...
Seems to be hitting the right notes of being a proper investigative/noir type game. I think I'm looking forward to this one.
Maybe we'll get lucky and you'll be playing as Ray McCoy (who, as of the Blade Runner RPG, is still canon).
Argh, right after my PS4 has bitten the dust. "It ain't half fair, man!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AoiqICo6ZIIf anyone hasn't seen
Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner then you must. It's the best
making of ever made. Masterclass by Charles de Lauzirika.
CdL used to post on the Bladezone forum back when it was still active, while he was busy with the Final Cut and Dangerous Days.
He had actually filmed Dangerous in HD but his deadline for handing in HD content was much shorter than for standard definition content. So he decided to go with SD in order to produce a longer documentary. Most consumers were still watching stuff on SD back then so it was probably a sound decision.
He still has the HD masters so if Warner were keen he could release it in HD.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2023, 11:09:18 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AoiqICo6ZI
If anyone hasn't seen Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner then you must. It's the best making of ever made. Masterclass by Charles de Lauzirika.
It's my 2nd favourite making of ever. My no.1 is "The Beast Within:The Making of Alien".....also by Charles de Lauzirika!
Crazy we might not have gotten either if not for his interest in Alien³ which he really wanted to do as I understand it, so 20th Century Fox requested he do all of the Alien films, and I am pretty sure that landed him the Blade Runner job by association.
That and the fact that he used to work for Ridley Scott as a story analyst before he got into documentary making.
Has anyone seen his movie 'Crave'? I've always meant to watch it, but haven't come across it anywhere.
https://twitter.com/TheSpaceshipper/status/1687246754914177024
From his perspective, I totally get this. He never should have been put in the situation where they were both locked into release dates in the same year like this, and given the varied fan responses to both films, I see where he would retroactively wish he chose in the opposite direction in this impossible scenario...
That being said, as a fan that loves both films that we got out of this, I have to say (with my biases in full effect) that I'm very ok with the way things played out.
Love the Sir but would choose DV over him in basically every potential project.
Ridley's last really good movie is KoH (DC) in my opinion.
Finger's crossed for Napoleon though.
edit: OK it's American Gangster ;D
I'm glad we got Villeneuve's film.
He should have done BR sequel instead. BR2049 simply has better script than Covenant.
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 04, 2023, 02:36:39 AMLove the Sir but would choose DV over him in basically every potential project.
Ridley's last really good movie is KoH (DC) in my opinion.
Finger's crossed for Napoleon though.
edit: OK it's American Gangster ;D
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Also, The Last Duel is on par (if not better) than KoH DC.
Let's not forget The Martian.
Yea, both didn't do it for me
I know..
Spoiler
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Villeneuve's film would have still been better
I think Ridley's 2049 would have been a bit weirder than Denis' (see Ridley's own Blade Runner film, the concurrently released Alien: Covenant, and Denis' Dune for comparison's sake), which certainly would have been interesting to see, but I do honestly think that the way it split, with Ridley tackling Covenant and Denis doing 2049, worked out for the best and I am truly happy to have both films in their current iterations as they exist, even though I do totally also get Ridley's retroactive second guessing of himself.
That all being said, I do hope Ridley does get to direct at least the pilot for 2099...
Quote from: Wweyland on Aug 04, 2023, 11:52:46 AMVilleneuve's film would have still been better
Agreed.
I can totally see Scott going all in on Deckard as a replicant instead of the nicely handled ambiguous approach in the movie.
QuoteBlade Runner 2099 Series Eyeing October Filming in Northern Ireland?
Based on an updated Production List that hit this week, it appears that Amazon's Blade Runner 2099 is eyeing doing some filming in October.
The last time we checked in to see how things were going, it was the end of May, and reports at that time were that Amazon's upcoming Prime Video live-action limited series Blade Runner 2099 may see its production at Northern Ireland's Belfast Harbour Studios delayed until Spring 2024 due to the WGA/AMPTP writers' strike. Northern Ireland Screen noted, "Northern Ireland Screen confirmed 'Blade Runner 2099' has been delayed. Northern Ireland Screen is extremely disappointed that 'Blade Runner 2099' is not going ahead at this time due to the ongoing writers' strike. The project has been prepping on the ground in Belfast for many months now. The WGA strike has been halting production all over the world, and we hope a fair deal is reached soon so [the] crew can get back to work." Since that time, matters have only gotten worse, as SAG-AFTRA also went on strike against the AMPTP – with both unions seeking fair & respectful new agreements. But according to a Production List update that found its way in front of our faces, it appears that some filming may be going on beginning October 2nd, with "Northern Ireland" listed as the location.
While it might seem surprising considering the SAG-AFTRA & WGA strikes, it's quite possible (much like what FX Networks & Noah Hawley are doing with their "Alien" series) that filming involving international actors who aren't SAF-AFTRA-affiliated could be in play. In addition, there could also be location/environment filming that could take place. And let's not rule out the possibility that the production notice wasn't pulled – though the last update is registered to have taken place on July 31. Yup. Yesterday. Here's a look:
https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/screenshot_20230801-110846_chrome.jpg
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/blade-runner-2099-series-eyeing-october-filming-in-northern-ireland/
2099 is quite a time jump
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 04, 2023, 06:10:59 PMI can totally see Scott going all in on Deckard as a replicant instead of the nicely handled ambiguous approach in the movie.
Uggghhhhhhuuugghhhhh. I hope to f**k they keep it ambiguous. 2049 handled that question perfectly.
It's not really ambiguous. He is a replicant. Ending of BR shows it without doubt. It's just people who make it look ambiguous but it's not.
Tell 'em, brother !
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 04, 2023, 08:46:34 AMLet's not forget The Martian.
The Martian was interesting, but I felt like it had more to do with the story it was based on that any of Ridley's directorial talents.
Like,
Quote from: Still Collating... on Aug 04, 2023, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: Wweyland on Aug 04, 2023, 11:52:46 AMVilleneuve's film would have still been better
Agreed.
Ridley in his 40s could've probably done it to a similar level in quality, but Ridley now at the age of 87, 97...103? Forget about it.
I can not see Ridley Scott doing the threesome scene or the memories themselves with such attention on the actors. The emotional depth in the time taken with them I can not trade for anything else.
Maybe they'll invent youth serum by then
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 05, 2023, 08:23:06 PMMaybe they'll invent youth serum by then
Amrita.
Do androids visibly age? I guess they do if Deckard was one.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 05, 2023, 01:21:58 PMIt's not really ambiguous. He is a replicant. Ending of BR shows it without doubt. It's just people who make it look ambiguous but it's not.
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At the end of the day, the great thing about the Deckard Replicant debate is, wherever you side, the truth of it all is that it really doesn't matter what he actually is, biologically. What's important is that he believed himself to be human, and with that humanity, he was still nothing more than a tool/object for his superiors, hunting down other slaves that aspired for more than what they were given, and it was only through that final intersection point between him and Roy that he found it in him to break free from what he had been molded to be.
Whether he was a naturally born human or a Replicant, the important point is that he didn't have any true humanity until he walked away from his life as a Blade Runner at the end of the film. Everything else is ancillary.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 05, 2023, 10:56:51 PMAt the end of the day, the great thing about the Deckard Replicant debate is, wherever you side, the truth of it all is that it really doesn't matter what he actually is
Absolutely agree. It doesn't really matter ... however, technically speaking he's a replicant ... but it doesn't matter which I agree :)
By ambiguous I meant the way 2049 handled the question. But the final cut doesn't really make the idea concrete, either. For all the information we're given, Deckard could be human and Gaff read his psych profile.
But to be honest, I don't really have a stake in either interpretation. It works either way for me.
But there is no interpretation. If director himself says Deckard is replicant then he's one. What better proof do we need?
Film's a collaborative medium, I'd venture to say not even half of the other creatives agreed with that particular interpretation.
I don't even care I just love the soundtrack, set design and atmosphere too much 😍
Scott also said the Space Jockey is a bald-headed white guy. ;D
But I'm with Hampton Fancher on this one: "The question is what's important. The answer is stupid."
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 06, 2023, 09:42:40 AMFilm's a collaborative medium, I'd venture to say not even half of the other creatives agreed with that particular interpretation.
Scott apparently didn't even tell Ford or Peoples about it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2017, 10:34:19 PMDeckard was already a replicant before they even shot a single frame of film.
Hampton Fancher was actually the first person to toy with the idea. He gave Deckard a Batty style hand-clench moment near the end in an early draft, just to f*ck with the audience a little. Though his intention was always that Deckard was supposed to be human.
When David Peoples later took over the scrip re-writes, he wrote a scene near the end when Deckard reflects and wonders who made his kind (in a figurative sense). Scott misinterpreted and took it literally. Told Peoples that he was a f*cking genius and from that day forth Deckard was a replicant.
Also consider that the red light in Deckard's eyes, the tinfoil unicorn and distorted television sets were all deliberate. The unicorn scene was shot during BR's post production. The only reason it wasn't included with the theatrical release was because Tandem would not let Scott put it in.
The Director's and Final Cut were what Blade Runner was originally supposed to be. Not "a ten (???) years later editing tweak"
I can imagine a time will come when all has been said that could be said, and we are all doomed to forever re-quote ourselves.
Egg on Sulaco (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.0)
Aliens: An Analysis (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59486.0)
The Unholy Trinity of grey sludge.
Deliver us from evil, ralfy..
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 06, 2023, 05:34:36 PMI can imagine a time will come when all has been said that could be said, and we are all doomed to forever re-quote ourselves.
Do you need me to get involved and demand consensus?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2023, 05:36:28 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 06, 2023, 05:34:36 PMI can imagine a time will come when all has been said that could be said, and we are all doomed to forever re-quote ourselves.
Do you need me to get involved and demand consensus?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2023, 09:33:16 AMнет
Blade Runner 2099 series no longer being filmed in Belfast
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67012882
I would have assumed that delays related to the SAG strike would have been the reason for them to pull out (with them likely running into another production's previously-scheduled shoot in Belfast once the strike eventually ends), but with the chief executive talking about 2099 pulling out of Northern Ireland leaving a gap in the Belfast's production schedule, that doesn't exactly seem to be the case.
I wonder where they're going to relocate to?
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 05, 2023, 01:35:15 PMBlade Runner 2099 series no longer being filmed in Belfast
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67012882
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2023, 02:22:09 PMI wonder where they're going to relocate to?
Anywhere as long as they're not gonna cancel it :)
Maybe the Mexican jeans factory they shot Dragonball Evolution in? :laugh:
Scott at his best:
Quote[The shoot] was a very bad experience for me. I had horrendous partners. Financial guys, who were killing me every day. I'd been very successful in the running of a company, and I knew I was making something very, very special. So I would never take no for an answer. But they didn't understand what they had. You shoot it, and you edit it, and you mix it. And by the time you're halfway through, everyone's saying it's too slow. You've got to learn, as a director, you can't listen to anybody. I knew I was making something very, very special. And now it's one of the most important science-fiction films ever made which everybody feeds off. Every bloody film.
I hadn't seen 'Blade Runner' for 20 years. Really. But I just watched it. And it's not slow. The information coming at you is so original and interesting, talking about biological creations, and mining off-world, which, in those days, they said was silly. I say, 'Go f**k yourself.
https://screenrant.com/blade-runner-movie-criticism-ridley-scott-response/
"You can't listen to anybody" explains so much. "Maybe you should make the Nottingham script we hired you for." "I'm a director, I don't listen to anybody!" :laugh:
Yeah, but I think if the script is very good from the start Scott doesn't really intervene that much. Look at Thelma & Louise, American Gangster or The Martian. It seemed as if he trusted writers and went with the flow.
Don't know how I missed the unicorn on the right.
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Also, great art by Brian Taylor/Candykiller
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https://candykiller.artstation.com/
Yeah, I've known about that for a while now. Of course Sebastian does some work for the Tyrell Corporation...
https://twitter.com/propstore_com/status/1714008508360687861
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1759696978186051679
Shōgun looks cool. Will have to watch it when it comes out and see what he's up to in those first couple episodes there.
Finally more news.
QuoteTulleken replaces Jeremy Podeswa, who was originally set to direct the first two episodes but had to step away due to scheduling conflicts as the Blade Runner 2099 production schedule was altered by the WGA strike.
In October, it was reported that Blade Runner 2099 was moving away from Belfast. Series' studio, Alcon, has since set up production in Prague, the Czech Republic, which has been attracting major sci-fi streaming series including Apple TV+'s Foundation.
Filming on Blade Runner 2099 is slated to begin in April.
Don't f*ck it up, Jonathan Van Tulleken!
It seems like both Alien and Blade Runner series will be released in 2025 :)
First attempt at shooting this last year was to be in Ireland, now it's settled on Prauge. Will be interesting to see what we're in store for, visually, this time around.
Could be wrong, of course, but I don't expect 2099 to be set in LA.
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 19, 2024, 11:37:49 PMDon't f*ck it up, Jonathan Van Tulleken!
It's not up to him really. It's mostly about the script. I'm slightly worried because Silka Luisa (writer, executive producer and showrunner) doesn't have much experience (only
Halo,
Shining Girls) but I hope she'll prove me wrong. Good this is that Michael Green (Blade Runner 2049 and BR comics which I enjoyed) serves as a non-writing executive producer.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2024, 02:57:22 PMFirst attempt at shooting this last year was to be in Ireland, now it's settled on Prauge. Will be interesting to see what we're in store for, visually, this time around.
Could be wrong, of course, but I don't expect 2099 to be set in LA.
Why not?
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2024, 11:25:02 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2024, 02:57:22 PMFirst attempt at shooting this last year was to be in Ireland, now it's settled on Prauge. Will be interesting to see what we're in store for, visually, this time around.
Could be wrong, of course, but I don't expect 2099 to be set in LA.
Why not?
Just a baseless guess, mostly. Curious to see what a new locale (maybe even one Off-World?) might look like.
It would've thought it would have to be either LA or an off world colony.
Quote from: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 01:10:17 AMor an off world colony.
It would be a nice expansion of the live-action lore.
An off world colony would be interesting. I'm all for expanding the world more
Why would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 08:15:14 AMWhy would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
Yeah, I mean you should know right?
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 08:15:14 AMWhy would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
The story could be following Replicants trying to get to Earth
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 08:15:14 AMWhy would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
Things can change in 40 years!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 08:15:14 AMWhy would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
Yes and no.
In first
Blade Runner (year 2019) Nexus-6 (Tyrell Corporation) were hunted down and retired.
In
Blade Runner 2049 Nexus-9 (Wallace Corporation), known for their obedience are part of society because prohibition got lifted. For example, K works for LAPD. Nexus-9 are slaves but they have their rights. If replicant breaks the law (either on Earth or off-world) then Blade Runner will deal with it, meaning arresting not retiring.
Also, upcoming BR series will take place in 2099, so we don't know what has changed since 2049.
Both, comic books (Titan Books) and RPG (Free League) are licensed by Alcon Entertainment. I'm guessing that tv series will follow the lore.
I want Blade Runner 2079 with a female protagonist and all that must mean. Preferably Hunter Schafer please.
I'd like to see a Blade Runner movie that doesn't flop for a change.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 08:15:14 AMWhy would Blade Runners be operating off-world? Their only job is to hunt down and retire Replicants that have illegally made it to Earth, right?
The Blade Runner runs away from Earth because he is being hunted by another Blade Runner who thinks he's a replicant.
The title of the film is Blade Runner
s.
Gimme my damn cheque.
Apparently production will begin in June instead of April.
QuoteAlcon Entertainment and Ridley Scott Productions' limited series Blade Runner 2099 for Prime Video will shoot at the Czech Republic's Barrandov Studios in Prague from June.
https://www.kftv.com/news/2024/02/21/blade-runner-2099-filming-prague-dates-studio
And apparently will finish shooting by November
QuotePrague - The upcoming American series Blade Runner 2099 produced by Amazon, which will follow the two famous films Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049, will be filmed in the Czech Republic. It will be one of the most demanding projects produced in the Czech Republic and will include large-scale constructions in most studios of the Barrandov studio. This was stated by Pavlína Žipková, head of the Czech Film Commission, department of the State Cinematography Fund. According to the CEO of Barrandov Studio Petr Tiché, the creators could leave up to a billion crowns in the Czech Republic. The first season of the series should be filmed in the Barrand studios until November.
https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/2482562
QuoteDuring his six-decade career, the American actor played a variety of roles, including Harrison Ford's LAPD boss in Sir Ridley Scott's 1982 Blade Runner.
https://news.sky.com/story/m-emmet-walsh-blade-runner-and-knives-out-actor-dies-13098954
RIP
Have a better one, sir.
RIP, just as I was reading "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?". His role is a bit bigger there.
I saw him in an old Planet of the Apes movie a while back. Also he was in Back to School, and who could forget him in The Jerk. "'Johnson, Navin R.'... sounds like a typical bastard..." ;D
RIP Emmet.
@SiL Don't watch that while operating heavy machinery.
It's a very polite way of saying "the film will put you to sleep".