Title: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 18, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 18, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
Plot: In the future, Jake, a paraplegic war veteran, is brought to another planet, Pandora, which is inhabited by the Na'vi, a humanoid race with their own language and culture. Those from Earth find themselves at odds with each other and the local culture.
"Possibly the most beautiful script Ive ever read. So far Cameron has stuck to earth (well, he did travel off-planet in ALIENS) and we now get to see his vision of an exotic alien world. Where giant panther-like animals lope around the jungle. And a peaceful race of people are being harassed by the humans who have installed an army base there and plan to encroach on their land.
Cameron describes three epic battles here. If he can truly present this world, as described, and do exactly as he writes, I think it would be the pinnacle of the action genre.
Cameron takes the time to develop a tender romance between a female alien and a human-alien hybrid. What happens and how it does (the people are fearful of him at first and later trust him as he proves himself) has been done innumerous times before, but its always Camerons striking landscape -- his dazzling visuals -- that make everything seem new.
Camerons prose is languid and unrushed, and contains lengthy details of the planets extraordinary beauty.
The one scene that sticks with me is when the Avatar and the alien woman run through the forest, bioluminescent lights shining as their feet press lightly down on the ground. Soon everything is shining and glowing around them. Coming alive with light.
I think, if Cameron could possibly film it, it would elevate the whole enterprise to art."
http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2667 (http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2667)
"Possibly the most beautiful script Ive ever read. So far Cameron has stuck to earth (well, he did travel off-planet in ALIENS) and we now get to see his vision of an exotic alien world. Where giant panther-like animals lope around the jungle. And a peaceful race of people are being harassed by the humans who have installed an army base there and plan to encroach on their land.
Cameron describes three epic battles here. If he can truly present this world, as described, and do exactly as he writes, I think it would be the pinnacle of the action genre.
Cameron takes the time to develop a tender romance between a female alien and a human-alien hybrid. What happens and how it does (the people are fearful of him at first and later trust him as he proves himself) has been done innumerous times before, but its always Camerons striking landscape -- his dazzling visuals -- that make everything seem new.
Camerons prose is languid and unrushed, and contains lengthy details of the planets extraordinary beauty.
The one scene that sticks with me is when the Avatar and the alien woman run through the forest, bioluminescent lights shining as their feet press lightly down on the ground. Soon everything is shining and glowing around them. Coming alive with light.
I think, if Cameron could possibly film it, it would elevate the whole enterprise to art."
http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2667 (http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2667)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 18, 2007, 04:13:26 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 18, 2007, 04:13:26 PM
Laz Alonzo Talks To MTV News About Avatar
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1564909/20070717/story.jhtml
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1564909/20070717/story.jhtml
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 18, 2007, 05:41:21 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 18, 2007, 05:41:21 PM
I never knew what Avatar was about until now, and all I have to say is that James Cameron is a genius if he pulls this off the way he wants to.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Jul 18, 2007, 07:11:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 18, 2007, 07:11:07 PM
Good read.. nice find. I heard a while back that Michael Biehn was supposed to be in the movie. You guys heard anything about that?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Noir-Gojira on Jul 18, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
Post by: Noir-Gojira on Jul 18, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
Sounds promising, though the title may bring up some confusion issues with Shyamalan's Avatar.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 19, 2007, 01:41:19 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 19, 2007, 01:41:19 AM
While naming properties/fighting for rights, I think that a person's stature/respect in the "community" should be considered.
Cameron > Shyamalan.
Way greater.
Cameron > Shyamalan.
Way greater.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Jul 19, 2007, 03:01:35 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 19, 2007, 03:01:35 AM
And Avatar The Last Airbender.. which I didn't even know existed till I saw that Wii game...
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Noir-Gojira on Jul 19, 2007, 03:20:15 AM
Post by: Noir-Gojira on Jul 19, 2007, 03:20:15 AM
Quote
While naming properties/fighting for rights, I think that a person's stature/respect in the "community" should be considered..
Ahahaha! That's a good one!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 19, 2007, 07:02:59 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 19, 2007, 07:02:59 PM
Only in a perfect world.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: ElderPredator on Aug 03, 2007, 06:29:43 AM
Post by: ElderPredator on Aug 03, 2007, 06:29:43 AM
http://www.cinematical.com/2007/03/29/signourney-weaver-talks-about-avatar/
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Aug 03, 2007, 09:04:23 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Aug 03, 2007, 09:04:23 AM
*clears throat*
that movie is being written and directed by James Cameron, in my book, that makes it HIS movie, and his involvement matters a lot more to me then Weaver's
that movie is being written and directed by James Cameron, in my book, that makes it HIS movie, and his involvement matters a lot more to me then Weaver's
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 03, 2007, 09:11:40 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 03, 2007, 09:11:40 AM
Stephen Lang and Michelle Rodriguez join cast
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117969650.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117969650.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: ElderPredator on Aug 03, 2007, 11:13:50 AM
Post by: ElderPredator on Aug 03, 2007, 11:13:50 AM
Can someone lock this? There already is a topic about this.sorry.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Aug 03, 2007, 03:10:09 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 03, 2007, 03:10:09 PM
So guess this confirms no Hicks.. I mean Michael Beign :\
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Anomaly on Aug 29, 2007, 10:27:29 AM
Post by: Anomaly on Aug 29, 2007, 10:27:29 AM
Much love for my favorite directors' comeback.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 13, 2007, 02:15:02 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 13, 2007, 02:15:02 AM
Doesn't it sound like a great film? I mean, everything I've heard has got me liking it, if you don't know about it, wiki or google it, there is tons of great info about it all over the net, its going to be quite the film.
I like how Cameron said himself that at the end of the day, audiances won't be able to tell whats live action and whats real, it will be that convincing, and that all of the characters have their own story and little arc, that nobody is just along for the ride.
and one of the actors did an interview over at AICN and talked about how there was a lot of great character stuff in there, compared in to the Abyss, as far as character focus and study, but that it also serves up huge Lord of the Rings sized action sequences, and has a romance angle to it as well.
it certainly sounds like Cameron is coming back to the big screen in a very big, great way
I like how Cameron said himself that at the end of the day, audiances won't be able to tell whats live action and whats real, it will be that convincing, and that all of the characters have their own story and little arc, that nobody is just along for the ride.
and one of the actors did an interview over at AICN and talked about how there was a lot of great character stuff in there, compared in to the Abyss, as far as character focus and study, but that it also serves up huge Lord of the Rings sized action sequences, and has a romance angle to it as well.
it certainly sounds like Cameron is coming back to the big screen in a very big, great way
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: gameoverman on Sep 13, 2007, 02:30:48 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Sep 13, 2007, 02:30:48 AM
I'm interested that he wants to create a whole alien world with a unique culture and all that. That is quite ambitious, I mean no one has been able to really pull that off yet.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2007, 02:39:08 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2007, 02:39:08 AM
All I really know is there's lots of CG and Siggy's in it.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Sep 13, 2007, 03:23:10 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 13, 2007, 03:23:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2007, 02:39:08 AM
All I really know is there's lots of CG and Siggy's in it.
It's also supposed to be shot in 3D..meaning we have to wear glasses. Supposedly its better than anything out there.. the tech behind it is very interesting. In a nutshell, it mimics the human eye by moving the cameras closer and further apart to capture true depth.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 13, 2007, 03:25:09 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 13, 2007, 03:25:09 AM
I read something about the movie on IGN, it sounds amazing. I can't wailt for the movie to come out in 2009.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 20, 2007, 03:45:23 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 20, 2007, 03:45:23 AM
Not meaning to double post, but here is some interesting info
Dreamwork's Monsters vs. Aliens is a 3D animated film that was set to open May 23rd
Not too long after the word got out that it, and Avatar, another 3D film, were facing head to head on May 23rd, 09, people starting speculating which would change its date first, and many were thinking them facing off wasn't good, simply because 3D screens around the world would have to choose to play either Avatar or MVA come the 23rd, and them both being pretty prestigous productions, many theatre chains didn't want to have to make that descision.
But time went by, aand eventually, Dreamkworks changed the release of MVA, bumping it up to May 15th, thye conceeded, and changed their date from the big memorial day weekend.
However, most thought with just a weeks difference between the releases, that the 3D screens around the world would have to still be divided, and that niether big 3D film would get to get the full glory of a wide 3D release.
Fox isn't dumb, they know Avatar is going to be huge, and never once displayed concern, or changed from their memorial day weekend date
so as most predicted, Dreamworks ended up changing their date for MVA two months ahead of Avatar's all the way to March 27th, one of the execs claiming that they didn't want to divide 3D screens between two film when they were supposed to be at their biggest.
so now, Avatar has Memorial day weekend all to itself, and originally, May 1st was going to be the release of the 3rd Chronicles of Narnia film, and some thought that would be Avatar's biggest contender, despite the two films coming out 22 days away.
But that too has been pushed back, for production reasons, to May 7th, 2010
and so now, the only film even listed to come out in May 09 is G-Force, some family adventure movie, coming out on the 1st, so again, it won't really effect Avatar much.
so basically, as of now, Avatar is going to have memorial day weekend all to itself, so it will get put in the maximum number of screens, conventional and 3D, its going to be great.
Dreamwork's Monsters vs. Aliens is a 3D animated film that was set to open May 23rd
Not too long after the word got out that it, and Avatar, another 3D film, were facing head to head on May 23rd, 09, people starting speculating which would change its date first, and many were thinking them facing off wasn't good, simply because 3D screens around the world would have to choose to play either Avatar or MVA come the 23rd, and them both being pretty prestigous productions, many theatre chains didn't want to have to make that descision.
But time went by, aand eventually, Dreamkworks changed the release of MVA, bumping it up to May 15th, thye conceeded, and changed their date from the big memorial day weekend.
However, most thought with just a weeks difference between the releases, that the 3D screens around the world would have to still be divided, and that niether big 3D film would get to get the full glory of a wide 3D release.
Fox isn't dumb, they know Avatar is going to be huge, and never once displayed concern, or changed from their memorial day weekend date
so as most predicted, Dreamworks ended up changing their date for MVA two months ahead of Avatar's all the way to March 27th, one of the execs claiming that they didn't want to divide 3D screens between two film when they were supposed to be at their biggest.
so now, Avatar has Memorial day weekend all to itself, and originally, May 1st was going to be the release of the 3rd Chronicles of Narnia film, and some thought that would be Avatar's biggest contender, despite the two films coming out 22 days away.
But that too has been pushed back, for production reasons, to May 7th, 2010
and so now, the only film even listed to come out in May 09 is G-Force, some family adventure movie, coming out on the 1st, so again, it won't really effect Avatar much.
so basically, as of now, Avatar is going to have memorial day weekend all to itself, so it will get put in the maximum number of screens, conventional and 3D, its going to be great.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Sep 20, 2007, 03:16:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 20, 2007, 03:16:07 PM
Good info! Geeze though...2009? Seems like so much could happen between now and then.. Thats too far away!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 20, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 20, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
2009 will be here before you know it. 2009 is going to be a good year for movies.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 21, 2007, 04:00:19 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Sep 21, 2007, 04:00:19 AM
oh yes, it will be, I mean, Avatar seems like it could be the next big Sci-fi film that thrills everyone around the world, and gives everyone a reason to see a movie in a theatre, instead of bootlegging it.
Its going to be huge, I doubt any major film will try to challenge it directly on its opening weekend.
Its going to be huge, I doubt any major film will try to challenge it directly on its opening weekend.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 02, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 02, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Nice teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACAtY4IhjqU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Favatar%2Eavpuniverzum%2Ehu%2F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACAtY4IhjqU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Favatar%2Eavpuniverzum%2Ehu%2F
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: nukem11 on Oct 02, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
Post by: nukem11 on Oct 02, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
This film is looking really good a pity Cameron hasnt made any films since Titanic.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Gates on Oct 13, 2007, 08:00:49 AM
Post by: Gates on Oct 13, 2007, 08:00:49 AM
Holy sh!t...a reported budget of $260 million...Cameron is not fu<king around with this film...
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6179&count=0 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6179&count=0)
It also vaguely discusses some of the tech behind the film...
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6179&count=0 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6179&count=0)
It also vaguely discusses some of the tech behind the film...
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:27:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:27:35 PM
This movie comes out the sameday i get out of high school. I'm going to see this for sure!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Oct 13, 2007, 03:31:09 PM
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Oct 13, 2007, 03:31:09 PM
Michelle Rodriguez, oh no. If there is one hint of a tough-chick role form her in the trailer, probably won't see this.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:50:13 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:50:13 PM
What wrong with Michelle Rodriguez?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Oct 13, 2007, 04:31:11 PM
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Oct 13, 2007, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:50:13 PM
What wrong with Michelle Rodriguez?
She really gets on my nerves when shes in her tough-chick role.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 16, 2007, 05:09:23 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 16, 2007, 05:09:23 AM
I'm sure Cameron will be able to pull some real acting out of her, I doubt he would even have a stereotypical 'tough chick' in this film anyway
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SM on Oct 16, 2007, 05:11:51 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 16, 2007, 05:11:51 AM
Why would he stop now?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SiL on Oct 16, 2007, 06:00:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 16, 2007, 06:00:37 AM
He's done it ever since Piranha II and it's never let him down.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2007, 02:55:38 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2007, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Oct 13, 2007, 04:31:11 PMQuote from: Ratchetcomand on Oct 13, 2007, 03:50:13 PM
What wrong with Michelle Rodriguez?
She really gets on my nerves when shes in her tough-chick role.
I know what you mean. It comes across strange.. Haven't seen a movie with her in it in a long time so I can't really put my finger on what it is.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 16, 2007, 06:07:13 PM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 16, 2007, 06:07:13 PM
my problem with the tough chick role is that its over done nowadays, it usually comes off as cheesy, not when Cameron does it, but still, it would just feel to cliche' because everybody seems to do that nowadays, and this is supposed to be a film starring Sam Worthington, he's the lead guy, him, Weaver, and Seldana are the leads.
I mean, I could live with Weaver or Seldana doing the tough chick thing a bit, because they are the leads, but having Rodriguez do it would just feel forced
I mean, I could live with Weaver or Seldana doing the tough chick thing a bit, because they are the leads, but having Rodriguez do it would just feel forced
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Anomaly on Oct 16, 2007, 06:18:42 PM
Post by: Anomaly on Oct 16, 2007, 06:18:42 PM
Everyone copies Jim now... in fiction you always have to keep moving creativity wise or the ripoff artists will bring you down.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 17, 2007, 01:27:40 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 17, 2007, 01:27:40 AM
exactly, if Cameron really wanted to mix it up, and do something that hasn't been done in a while, he would have NO tough chick characters :D
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Gates on Oct 18, 2007, 01:30:30 AM
Post by: Gates on Oct 18, 2007, 01:30:30 AM
This is getting better by the day... ;D
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6233&count=0 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6233&count=0)
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6233&count=0 (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=6233&count=0)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 19, 2007, 08:26:25 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Oct 19, 2007, 08:26:25 AM
Yeah, that does sound awesome
There was an interview with Joel David Moore a while back, where he talked about how so many movies have their one focus genre, and thats it, they try to have a bit of everything, but it doesnt work, he gave an example of how transformers was a big summer action movie, and although it had a romantic strand to it, it wasn't really done well.
He said that there is a bit of character stuff here, and compared it to the abyss, while also having lord of the rings sized action sequences, and having a romance
basically, he was saying this film has it all, in all of the right proportions, and thats awesome
There was an interview with Joel David Moore a while back, where he talked about how so many movies have their one focus genre, and thats it, they try to have a bit of everything, but it doesnt work, he gave an example of how transformers was a big summer action movie, and although it had a romantic strand to it, it wasn't really done well.
He said that there is a bit of character stuff here, and compared it to the abyss, while also having lord of the rings sized action sequences, and having a romance
basically, he was saying this film has it all, in all of the right proportions, and thats awesome
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: nukem11 on Oct 19, 2007, 08:42:28 AM
Post by: nukem11 on Oct 19, 2007, 08:42:28 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Cameron it seems its always him that's got to experiment with new technology and its always him pushing the boundaries. Filmmakers should be lucky he's still making films and making filmmaking more special for the new comers.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 19, 2007, 10:07:08 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 19, 2007, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2007, 06:00:37 AM
He's done it ever since Piranha II and it's never let him down.
Not counting the first Terminator, right? Sarah may display a little survival instinct near the climax of the film, but she's hardly "a stereotypical tough chick".
I'd also argue against lumping Lindsay Brigman in that mold, too. She's more of a self-centred bitch than a 'tough chick' ;)
And while I think of it, Helen Tasker is anything but. She's a timid little housewife who manages to deal with some very extraordinary situations. Manages barely.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SM on Oct 21, 2007, 02:51:47 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 21, 2007, 02:51:47 AM
Yeah but Lindsay starts out tough and it's Bud who makes her realise her potential as a wife. The woman doesn't have to become tough - she just needs the man to bring about an improvement in her character.
Same with Helen in True Lies.
Same with Helen in True Lies.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 21, 2007, 03:00:33 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 21, 2007, 03:00:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 21, 2007, 02:51:47 AMThe improvement thing may be a staple of Cameron's women, but we were speaking of the "stereotypical tough chick"...since when does a man bringing about improvement have anything to do with the S.T.C.?
The woman doesn't have to become tough - she just needs the man to bring about an improvement in her character.
I'd argue that Vasquez is the only time he has dipped into that area. All his other 'tough chicks' usually display some form of character that distinguishes them from being merely stereotypical.
And even then, can I really call Vasquez stereotypical when she was practically the template for the type of tough chicks we got for the next 10 or 15 years? She was a character not often seen in film or TV beforehand.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2007, 12:37:28 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2007, 12:37:28 AM
Well yeah. Vasquez is the STC (and only one I can think of in Cameron films). Cameron doesn't have men turning the women into STCs. He has the men enabling the women to reach their full potential.
Because men are perfect and women are incapable of achieving anything on their own.
Because men are perfect and women are incapable of achieving anything on their own.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 22, 2007, 01:05:06 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 22, 2007, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2007, 12:37:28 AMSo, we agree after all.
Well yeah. Vasquez is the STC (and only one I can think of in Cameron films).
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2007, 01:24:07 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2007, 01:24:07 AM
Yeah.
I was more getting towards the men enabling the women than just tough chicks being a Cameron staple.
I was more getting towards the men enabling the women than just tough chicks being a Cameron staple.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 27, 2007, 07:46:36 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 27, 2007, 07:46:36 AM
Avatar alien :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joblo.com%2Fnewsimages1%2Fcamalienbabe.jpg&hash=e58aff6c7d7ee15eb26bf820773a6c3c796a14ae)
http://www.joblo.com/alien-hotness
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joblo.com%2Fnewsimages1%2Fcamalienbabe.jpg&hash=e58aff6c7d7ee15eb26bf820773a6c3c796a14ae)
http://www.joblo.com/alien-hotness
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Nov 28, 2007, 02:02:07 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Nov 28, 2007, 02:02:07 AM
Yeah, I saw that the other day, great, some say its fake, but either way, it looks great, and matches the description in the scriptment.
A 10-foot tall blue chick with a tale have potential to be hot? I think so ;D
A 10-foot tall blue chick with a tale have potential to be hot? I think so ;D
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 28, 2007, 02:10:41 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 28, 2007, 02:10:41 AM
Remind of the bule girl from X-men (I forgot here name).
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Post by: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Dec 14, 2007, 03:41:21 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Dec 14, 2007, 03:41:21 AM
You're not the first one
heres an update though, Cameron issued a statment saying that it was likely done to the scriptment description, but that its not official concept art used for the film and what not.
check the whole thing out here for more details
http://crackofthewhip.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-cameron-on-leaked-avatar-design.html (http://crackofthewhip.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-cameron-on-leaked-avatar-design.html)
Also, Avatar's release date has been pushed back from May 22nd, 2009 to December 18th, 2009, in order to give Cameron and Weta more time to work on effects and to allow more time for theaters to install 3D screens, in the US and around the world, they also note that Avatar will also be released in 2D where needed.
linkage, someone quoted VARIETY on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/board/thread/92010717 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/board/thread/92010717)
I think overall its great news, the wait is longer, but oh well, if it means the film will be that much more jaw dropping, thats good news, and I doubt too many films will go for a december release date close to Avatar now.
Its going to be quite a collosal film, debuting on what will obviously be a record high number of digital 3D screens worldwide, as well as playing in 2D so it can make it too as theaters, not only those pimped out with digital 3D.
And its a James Cameron film, that has the makings of becoming the next Star Wars
Not to mention its going to have one of the longest post production times ever I think
If Cameron beats his own record/records with this new film, that would be a sight to see.
heres an update though, Cameron issued a statment saying that it was likely done to the scriptment description, but that its not official concept art used for the film and what not.
check the whole thing out here for more details
http://crackofthewhip.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-cameron-on-leaked-avatar-design.html (http://crackofthewhip.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-cameron-on-leaked-avatar-design.html)
Also, Avatar's release date has been pushed back from May 22nd, 2009 to December 18th, 2009, in order to give Cameron and Weta more time to work on effects and to allow more time for theaters to install 3D screens, in the US and around the world, they also note that Avatar will also be released in 2D where needed.
linkage, someone quoted VARIETY on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/board/thread/92010717 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/board/thread/92010717)
I think overall its great news, the wait is longer, but oh well, if it means the film will be that much more jaw dropping, thats good news, and I doubt too many films will go for a december release date close to Avatar now.
Its going to be quite a collosal film, debuting on what will obviously be a record high number of digital 3D screens worldwide, as well as playing in 2D so it can make it too as theaters, not only those pimped out with digital 3D.
And its a James Cameron film, that has the makings of becoming the next Star Wars
Not to mention its going to have one of the longest post production times ever I think
If Cameron beats his own record/records with this new film, that would be a sight to see.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Space Disc Jockey on Dec 14, 2007, 07:35:15 AM
Post by: Space Disc Jockey on Dec 14, 2007, 07:35:15 AM
The wait will be worth it. Jim is the man!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:44:24 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Why? It's just some anime... For me, if they said it was a movie for the Last Airbender, I wouldn't have the slightest interest. To each their own though. We all have our opinions. :)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
To bad that movie woun't be until December 18th, 2009. That to long for me but oh well.
Avatar the last airbender is not a anime.
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Why? It's just some anime... For me, if they said it was a movie for the Last Airbender, I wouldn't have the slightest interest. To each their own though. We all have our opinions. :)
Avatar the last airbender is not a anime.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:51:20 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
To bad that movie woun't be until December 18th, 2009. That to long for me but oh well.Quote from: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Why? It's just some anime... For me, if they said it was a movie for the Last Airbender, I wouldn't have the slightest interest. To each their own though. We all have our opinions. :)
Avatar the last airbender is not a anime.
Really? I'll take your word for it.. But the art style definitely looks like that of anime/manga.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 05:59:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:51:20 PMQuote from: Ratchetcomand on Dec 14, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
To bad that movie woun't be until December 18th, 2009. That to long for me but oh well.Quote from: Cellien on Dec 14, 2007, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Why? It's just some anime... For me, if they said it was a movie for the Last Airbender, I wouldn't have the slightest interest. To each their own though. We all have our opinions. :)
Nope it a american cartoon.
Avatar the last airbender is not a anime.
Really? I'll take your word for it.. But the art style definitely looks like that of anime/manga.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Jan 05, 2008, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Jan 05, 2008, 10:15:35 AM
Man, this movie is going to rock, it has so much going for it its not even funny.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 25, 2008, 04:17:57 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 25, 2008, 04:17:57 PM
Stan Winston is doing the film's designs for this movie.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2008, 02:47:33 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2008, 02:47:33 PM
Interview with James Cameron and Avatar.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 16, 2008, 10:26:14 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 16, 2008, 10:26:14 PM
I was just dying for the guy to say "Sooo James, when are we gonna get an Alien 5?" lol not so lucky ;D
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 16, 2008, 10:46:57 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 16, 2008, 10:46:57 PM
I didn't know that James had all the actors parts filmed.
Good news.
Good news.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 16, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 16, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
I really hoped this would have been a movie of Avatar the last airbender :(
Have no fear, a movie is on it's way :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 17, 2008, 02:42:59 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 17, 2008, 02:42:59 AM
M. Nite Shyamalanalanalanalan!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 17, 2008, 04:07:58 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 17, 2008, 04:07:58 AM
I can't wait for this. It's the f**king 21st century and our best science fiction films were made in the 60s, 70s and 80s. All we are getting now is remakes and retardedness. Ok, there are a few gems but scant epic awesomeness.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 03:06:37 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 03:06:37 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 15, 2008, 02:47:33 PM
Interview with James Cameron and Avatar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpDD6w6KOs
Strombo rules. I saw that one on tv, and I totally freaked out when they said Cameron was going to be on.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Oct 18, 2008, 03:50:40 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 18, 2008, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 03:06:37 AMQuote from: Cellien on Oct 15, 2008, 02:47:33 PM
Interview with James Cameron and Avatar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpDD6w6KOs
Strombo rules. I saw that one on tv, and I totally GEEKED out when they said Cameron was going to be on.
Fixed. :P
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 04:33:09 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 04:33:09 AM
Uh....Thanks? :D
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 18, 2008, 04:49:59 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 18, 2008, 04:49:59 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 17, 2008, 04:07:58 AM
I can't wait for this. It's the f**king 21st century and our best science fiction films were made in the 60s, 70s and 80s. All we are getting now is remakes and retardedness. Ok, there are a few gems but scant epic awesomeness.
I really liked Minority Report, but that's been the most astonishing futuristic movie we've had in a while.
Artificial Intelligence was meh.
I, Robot was kind of a joke.
Can't really think of other big movies.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 18, 2008, 05:34:37 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 18, 2008, 05:34:37 AM
Visually, I have no doubt that this will be great. As far as the story goes, I have my doubts. Every time I'm pressed to explain it to someone who has no idea what it's about, it sounds awkward to the ears. But who knows? Maybe the final product will be fantastic. I can't imagine Cameron doing worse than Titanic.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 10:18:37 AM
It's going to be a visual feast with great action scenes.
Totally uninspired cookie-cutter characters with kind'a naff dialogue with a completely predictable rehashed cliché plot, but, still - Pretty.
I mean, why would Cameron change what he's done for every other film he's ever made now? Worked so far!
Totally uninspired cookie-cutter characters with kind'a naff dialogue with a completely predictable rehashed cliché plot, but, still - Pretty.
I mean, why would Cameron change what he's done for every other film he's ever made now? Worked so far!
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 10:27:45 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 10:18:37 AM
Totally uninspired cookie-cutter characters with kind'a naff dialogue with a completely predictable rehashed cliché plot,
Hopefully it's intended that way. A big "f**k you" to hollywood.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 11:49:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 11:49:29 AM
How the hell is that a big "f**k you" to Hollywood?
It's like saying "Thanks Hollywood for giving me the world for letting me play right into low expectations and never bother to rise above the bare minimum! You're a pal!"
A "f**k you" to Hollywood would be showing you can have a big dumb action movie with good characters, and that Hollywood has just been lazy.
Short of making a movie about making a movie that involves really stupid stuff and points out Hollywood's flaws, playing right into no expectations doesn't really send a message of "You're doing it wrong".
Quite the friggin' opposite.
It's like saying "Thanks Hollywood for giving me the world for letting me play right into low expectations and never bother to rise above the bare minimum! You're a pal!"
A "f**k you" to Hollywood would be showing you can have a big dumb action movie with good characters, and that Hollywood has just been lazy.
Short of making a movie about making a movie that involves really stupid stuff and points out Hollywood's flaws, playing right into no expectations doesn't really send a message of "You're doing it wrong".
Quite the friggin' opposite.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Well if you can't understand my line of reasoning then sorry I can't help you.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
I read somewhere that one of the messages in Avatar was respecting nature, which sounds pretty original for an Action sci-fi.
^Speaking of avatars, thats Morpheus in your avatar, right?
^Speaking of avatars, thats Morpheus in your avatar, right?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 08:49:06 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 08:49:06 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 06:54:44 PMI think I'll live. It might make me like you, and the last thing we need is another nihilistic cynical asshole on the site.
Well if you can't understand my line of reasoning then sorry I can't help you.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 19, 2008, 10:29:18 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Oct 19, 2008, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Oct 18, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
^Speaking of avatars, thats Morpheus in your avatar, right?
Nope, it was Ivan from the Machinist.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2008, 08:49:06 PMQuote from: gameoverman on Oct 18, 2008, 06:54:44 PMI think I'll live. It might make me like you, and the last thing we need is another nihilistic cynical asshole on the site.
Well if you can't understand my line of reasoning then sorry I can't help you.
Holy shit. I don't mean to come across that way. But if that's your opinion, then whatever.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 17, 2008, 06:45:02 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 17, 2008, 06:45:02 PM
4 minute trailer coming? :
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39121
Please be true.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39121
Please be true.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Nov 17, 2008, 07:47:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 17, 2008, 07:47:07 PM
OMG, hope so. Soooo many good movies next year, and this is like the finale for the end of the year.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 22, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 22, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Beautiful Na'vi Concept Art from James Cameron's Avatar!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstshowing.net%2Fimg2%2Favatar-navi-concept-NOV-03.jpg&hash=2f35968627c012743d2674e5b9af07cbd9ee70af)
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/11/22/beautiful-navi-concept-art-from-james-camerons-avatar/
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstshowing.net%2Fimg2%2Favatar-navi-concept-NOV-03.jpg&hash=2f35968627c012743d2674e5b9af07cbd9ee70af)
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/11/22/beautiful-navi-concept-art-from-james-camerons-avatar/
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 22, 2008, 08:40:11 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 22, 2008, 08:40:11 PM
Eh. I'll watch it.
It might be Cameron's ode to SW, but it'll still be better than most everything else that is released.
I don't have super high expectations because I don't want my hopes smashed, but if it can at least excite the imagination without being too stupid of a plot, I'll imagine I'll watch it and like it.
I don't think every movie needs to have real world messages wrapped in present day themes. A little fantasy isn't a bad thing, imo.
It might be Cameron's ode to SW, but it'll still be better than most everything else that is released.
I don't have super high expectations because I don't want my hopes smashed, but if it can at least excite the imagination without being too stupid of a plot, I'll imagine I'll watch it and like it.
I don't think every movie needs to have real world messages wrapped in present day themes. A little fantasy isn't a bad thing, imo.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2008, 02:40:08 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2008, 02:40:08 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 22, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Beautiful Na'vi Concept Art from James Cameron's Avatar!
http://www.firstshowing.net/img2/avatar-navi-concept-NOV-03.jpg
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/11/22/beautiful-navi-concept-art-from-james-camerons-avatar/
Kinda meh to me. :\
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 23, 2008, 03:53:53 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 23, 2008, 03:53:53 AM
No matter what they look like, the artist said they were done just to give them an idea what he could do.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 11, 2009, 11:19:56 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 11, 2009, 11:19:56 AM
Two new promo pics
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Favatar%2Favatar1.jpg&hash=f7dc0db0e9a7dd3aab10aaa7de36c8905e5f3379)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Favatar%2Favatar2.jpg&hash=aaa2f8c296ce3317163dd501b0c36d4ffb7f70ea)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Favatar%2Favatar1.jpg&hash=f7dc0db0e9a7dd3aab10aaa7de36c8905e5f3379)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Favatar%2Favatar2.jpg&hash=aaa2f8c296ce3317163dd501b0c36d4ffb7f70ea)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
The movie is going to be amazing, it might be the best science fiction movie in the past 20 years. James is a master of making movies with T2, Aliens and Ture Lies.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
I'm sure it will great special effects, but not much else.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Jan 11, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 11, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
*HEADSHOT*
*Runs by to pick up severen's weapons and hump his corpse.*
*Runs by to pick up severen's weapons and hump his corpse.*
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi161.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft232%2Fryanjonny%2Fchoptop1bn.gif&hash=af9a283132109c92b5c82f001f1f1986a2250b16)
;D
;D
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
This movie will be best picture of 2009 for sure. James has not made one bad movie other then Piranha Part Two: The Spawning.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Cellien on Jan 11, 2009, 09:37:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 11, 2009, 09:37:34 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t232/ryanjonny/choptop1bn.gif
;D
Is that from Near Dark?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
You don't know?! Blasphemy. ;)
Nah, it's from Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.
Nah, it's from Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2009, 11:30:28 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2009, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Jan 11, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
This movie will be best picture of 2009 for sure. James has not made one bad movie other then Piranha Part Two: The Spawning.
If you can count that one of his pictures. He was kicked off of production after like a week and they brought in someone else to finish it. The only reason why he is credited with it is because he got big later on, before the movie was widely distributed on vhs and later dvd.
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 11, 2009, 09:37:34 PMQuote from: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t232/ryanjonny/choptop1bn.gif
;D
Is that from Near Dark?
-Slap!-
Bow down to Chop Top!!! And once for Bill Mosely :P
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 11:32:20 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 11, 2009, 11:32:20 PM
But the movie sounds awesome and I think it will best picture for sure. I think we might see a Avatar trailer when X-Men: Origins comesout since their both own by Fox.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2009, 11:38:51 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2009, 11:38:51 PM
I hope so, but Ive got a suspicion that all footage will be VERY hush hush till the last possible moment. I mean, how long have they been working on it and all we have production still wise is all behind camera shots? And all of the promotional art have not been entirely verified, nor has the supposed trailer script floating around the internet. This movie will be so hyped, it better be able to live up to it.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
Supposedly this is a leaked set picture:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_1qPLMlz01y....%2B08%2B11.27.jpg&hash=061ffc71314ded975a2b89f4b7b16670879e7afc)
Who knows if it's legit or not.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_1qPLMlz01y....%2B08%2B11.27.jpg&hash=061ffc71314ded975a2b89f4b7b16670879e7afc)
Who knows if it's legit or not.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
That picture dosen't work for me.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2009, 11:56:11 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2009, 11:56:11 PM
Thought so:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/SWYbe_EfvjI/AAAAAAAACa4/V_FRMDdyTeI/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_24+Jan.+08+11.27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/SWYbe_EfvjI/AAAAAAAACa4/V_FRMDdyTeI/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_24+Jan.+08+11.27.jpg
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 11:57:34 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 11, 2009, 11:57:34 PM
Nope. Looks like it's been taken down completely, it's not on the server.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Since this movie has been in 15 years of the making, I feel like this movie is going to be epic and it will have a amazing science fiction feel to it much like 2001: A Space Odyssey, EoE and Solaris (1972) had.
The best fanmade post so far:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.searchenginewatch.com%2Fblog%2Fimg%2Favatar-poster.jpg&hash=f5a59d7c2bde1b49f247d7680b9fb2b9a09e0ae3)
The best fanmade post so far:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.searchenginewatch.com%2Fblog%2Fimg%2Favatar-poster.jpg&hash=f5a59d7c2bde1b49f247d7680b9fb2b9a09e0ae3)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 12, 2009, 12:07:19 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 12, 2009, 12:07:19 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F29de1zp.jpg&hash=a152f29f1c2808b235d7de29a39be40b2ad62618)
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 12, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 12, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
New Avatar Behind The Scenes
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics8.nytimes.com%2Fimages%2F2009%2F01%2F12%2Fbusiness%2F12film01-500.jpg&hash=793e41ef43c2b71db26a5d18fde1bbaf200ac445)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics8.nytimes.com%2Fimages%2F2009%2F01%2F12%2Fbusiness%2F12film01-500.jpg&hash=793e41ef43c2b71db26a5d18fde1bbaf200ac445)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 12, 2009, 11:42:44 PM
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 12, 2009, 11:42:44 PM
Go James!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 13, 2009, 12:12:39 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 13, 2009, 12:12:39 AM
I thought the movie was animated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 13, 2009, 12:24:44 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 13, 2009, 12:24:44 AM
I hear the movie is going to be 90% of CGI and 10% of it will be live action. It reminds me of Final Fantasy but that movie sucked major balls.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 12:44:28 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: Kaworu on Jan 13, 2009, 12:24:44 AM
I hear the movie is going to be 90% of CGI and 10% of it will be live action. It reminds me of Final Fantasy but that movie sucked major balls.
Yeah, I guess it is supposed to be sort of like Sin City with less green screen indoors environments and more live action props.
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 02:07:05 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 02:07:05 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jan 12, 2009, 12:07:19 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F29de1zp.jpg&hash=a152f29f1c2808b235d7de29a39be40b2ad62618)
I hope not. That reeks of early eighties low/mid budget scifi.
The security forces would also be less equipped than his 1986 marines. (or even today's marines).
Hope thats a prop for something else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2009, 03:29:41 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2009, 03:29:41 AM
80s 'futuristic' marines FTW! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 13, 2009, 05:00:17 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 13, 2009, 05:00:17 AM
I like it when Sci-Fi is a bit retro and not overly futuristic and fantastic and that's exactly what this is, great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Gates on Jan 13, 2009, 05:02:15 AM
Post by: Gates on Jan 13, 2009, 05:02:15 AM
It aint no Pulse Rifle but it will do... :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:04:15 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:04:15 AM
Why would they need green camo for space marines?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Gates on Jan 13, 2009, 05:05:42 AM
Post by: Gates on Jan 13, 2009, 05:05:42 AM
The planet's environment has that color scheme..?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 13, 2009, 05:08:33 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 13, 2009, 05:08:33 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:04:15 AMI think i heard in a interview with Cameron on youtube that he said something about planets that includes forests when talking about doing all the CG stuff, but don't quote me on that its been a while since i watched that.
Why would they need green camo for space marines?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:38:08 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:38:08 AM
The only marine, if it holds true to his ninety six scriptment, is the lead character. Wounded, and take out of the corps.
The rest, are high tech security forces and the primary baddies stooges.
The planet's foliage in the scriptment was also purple.
The gun prop doesn't bother me. The body armor does. When they land, the whole planet is trying to kill them. You figure they'd be a little better equipped than that. Even the marines had better body armor with SOME accessories.
Cameron admits he gave the marines in aliens a bad rep, and he knows better now since his own brother joined them.
Also, he attempted to give the science in his Avatar a better basis in reality. Something he didn't do in aliens. It was like he was on a mission to make it more hard scifi (at least concerning the human aspect). Probably intentional. To make Pandora seem that much more "magical".
I have the scriptment, though its on a comp with the monitor down, and alas I have no other monitor. I only have my laptop.
Be happy to answer questions regarding its story for those that want to be "meh b spoiled" since it is a scriptment. Written over 12 years ago. And might not be anything close to the same thing.
The rest, are high tech security forces and the primary baddies stooges.
The planet's foliage in the scriptment was also purple.
The gun prop doesn't bother me. The body armor does. When they land, the whole planet is trying to kill them. You figure they'd be a little better equipped than that. Even the marines had better body armor with SOME accessories.
Cameron admits he gave the marines in aliens a bad rep, and he knows better now since his own brother joined them.
Also, he attempted to give the science in his Avatar a better basis in reality. Something he didn't do in aliens. It was like he was on a mission to make it more hard scifi (at least concerning the human aspect). Probably intentional. To make Pandora seem that much more "magical".
I have the scriptment, though its on a comp with the monitor down, and alas I have no other monitor. I only have my laptop.
Be happy to answer questions regarding its story for those that want to be "meh b spoiled" since it is a scriptment. Written over 12 years ago. And might not be anything close to the same thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:43:14 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:43:14 AM
I had purple landscapes somewhere as well, and the thought of it attacking as an entity is pretty kick ass. I dont think that army pic is from Avatar tho... just doesnt look very Cameron-esque.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:47:16 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:47:16 AM
It can't attack directly itself. It can send its monsters after the humans though.
Its basically an enviromental theme. Humans destroy and improperly manage their resources, and this time the resources actively fight back.
Its basically an enviromental theme. Humans destroy and improperly manage their resources, and this time the resources actively fight back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:48:02 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2009, 05:48:02 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:47:16 AM
It can't attack directly itself. It can send its monsters after the humans though.
Its basically an enviromental theme. Humans destroy and improperly manage their resources, and this time the resources actively fight back.
So the darker side of Wall*E? lmao!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:51:37 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 13, 2009, 05:51:37 AM
Kind of. But it'll have its fair share of explosions.
Its kind of like Blue Gender, except instead of on earth it is set on the next closest star system to us, and its a different planet using monsters to try and kill us. With a Cameron budget.
Now that I think about it.............the stories are VERY similar. There is even a representative of humanity that can communicate with the "enemy". Another core them of avatar.
Its kind of like Blue Gender, except instead of on earth it is set on the next closest star system to us, and its a different planet using monsters to try and kill us. With a Cameron budget.
Now that I think about it.............the stories are VERY similar. There is even a representative of humanity that can communicate with the "enemy". Another core them of avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 03, 2009, 02:07:45 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 03, 2009, 02:07:45 AM
http://joblow.com/navi-first-look
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/exclusive-new-navi-photo-final-version.html
Here is the first look at one of Avatar's creatures!
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/exclusive-new-navi-photo-final-version.html
Here is the first look at one of Avatar's creatures!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Feb 03, 2009, 02:09:44 AM
Post by: severen76 on Feb 03, 2009, 02:09:44 AM
Isn't that picture really old? I'm sure I've seen it before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 03, 2009, 02:10:18 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 03, 2009, 02:10:18 AM
Well its new to me lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
QuoteIsn't that picture really old? I'm sure I've seen it before.
Close Encounters, AI, Attack of the Clones...
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Feb 03, 2009, 04:15:42 AM
Post by: Xhan on Feb 03, 2009, 04:15:42 AM
Indeed. Cameron's strengths are practicality and technical solidity.
Originality and realism are for other dudes.
Originality and realism are for other dudes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 06, 2009, 05:41:37 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 06, 2009, 05:41:37 AM
Cameron has increased my interest in this film very much.
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/exclusive-james-cameron-talks-avatar
Bold words.
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/exclusive-james-cameron-talks-avatar
Bold words.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 05:58:04 AM
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 05:58:04 AM
And some of them are super hype bullshit and/or typical Cameronian "repurposing" (like his underwater forays) He's been essentially doing what VG developers have already been doing for years, and of course he's going to say it's far and above what everyone else is doing (in the same exact direction) because he intends to license the technology, and it's been his goal all along, and he's not the only one doing it. (Lucasfilm, Pixar, Boeing, Lockheed Martin all have similar products in the pipeline, nVidia already has an app on the market and has helped to develop stereo monitors and/or glasses which you can get right now for 1800+600 smackers. Also, theaters have been heading to 3D only for three years already. The only things different about his forays compared to the rest is the proprietary engine and WETA working their asses off to make their CG interpolation better than everyone else's... and the story and characters are lock, stock and stereotype. I'm sure it's technically impressive... perhaps even revolutionary in terms of putting computer cycles to good use... but it's nothing that hasn't been done before, and lot of it is being done everywhere else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Feb 06, 2009, 06:24:12 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Feb 06, 2009, 06:24:12 AM
Quoteand the story and characters are lock, stock and stereotype
Of course, it's hollywood what do you expect?
In a time of remakes/prequels/parodies and this comes along. James Cameron is good filmmaker and he's been working on this for years.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 06, 2009, 06:27:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 06, 2009, 06:27:17 AM
Yeah, man! Hollywood's making Cameron have stock characters and plot!
Just like it has for all his films!
Boo Hollywood!
Just like it has for all his films!
Boo Hollywood!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 06:36:46 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 06:36:46 AM
Meh, if I get to see a space battle between monsters and soldiers with bullets.................I'll probably be happy.
I'm not expecting anything brilliant, but I can't say I haven't been entertained by cameron formula's. I mean plots.
Simple, but for me, they usually work.
Sometimes all that hyperactive, super plot twist, multiple thematic meaning , is annoying and you just want to see something 'SPLODE!
As always, as long as it doesn't look blatantly fake, I don't care about the technical aspects of the movie. If you can make a rubber suit look good like Scott's Alien. Great. If you can make cgi look good like Spielberg's JP. Good.
Doesn't really matter to me. I just want my popcorn film.
I'm not expecting anything brilliant, but I can't say I haven't been entertained by cameron formula's. I mean plots.
Simple, but for me, they usually work.
Sometimes all that hyperactive, super plot twist, multiple thematic meaning , is annoying and you just want to see something 'SPLODE!
As always, as long as it doesn't look blatantly fake, I don't care about the technical aspects of the movie. If you can make a rubber suit look good like Scott's Alien. Great. If you can make cgi look good like Spielberg's JP. Good.
Doesn't really matter to me. I just want my popcorn film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 06:49:31 AM
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 06:49:31 AM
You'll get blue fish ewoks fighting the evil bad greedy humans for sure, and I'm sure the motion control will be frame for frame perfect. The key difference is here perspective in motion. He's simply changing the way it's used in the same way rail shooters have used for years, except now it applies globally. I'm sure you'll be happy. I'm sure it'll make a shit-ton of money. I'm also equally sure I won't be watching it nor caring, especially seeing as others are doing the essentially the same thing, I'll get plenty of other chances to go [Homer] oooh 3D-y [/Homer]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 07:01:15 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 07:01:15 AM
I probably won't even see it in 3-d. That would require me going to clarksville and putting up with a bunch of douchebag army fags, or driving to nashville.
Unless of course the theater here is updated by the end of the year. We did finally get stadium seating.
I haven't actually been to the Bowling Green theaters, so they might be 3-d equipped. Not sure. One of the chicks at work always goes to Nashville for Imax and 3-d though, so I'm guessing nein.
Unless of course the theater here is updated by the end of the year. We did finally get stadium seating.
I haven't actually been to the Bowling Green theaters, so they might be 3-d equipped. Not sure. One of the chicks at work always goes to Nashville for Imax and 3-d though, so I'm guessing nein.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 07:13:42 AM
Post by: Xhan on Feb 06, 2009, 07:13:42 AM
Cineplex has 3d's under the Odeon spec about a 100 miles away, Pretty sure you'll see literal busloads of Cameronerds hitting the road on the weekend. I'd say it'll probably hit 400 mil easy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Feb 06, 2009, 10:04:40 AM
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Feb 06, 2009, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 06, 2009, 05:41:37 AM
Cameron has increased my interest in this film very much.
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/exclusive-james-cameron-talks-avatar
Bold words.
Indeed, I shall definitely see this in 3D if it is acclaimed as they're making it out to be.
.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 06, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 06, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Sheesh, tough crowd.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 06, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 06, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Can't wait for this film any longer
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 06, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 06, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
It looks like we are finaly getting a new Sci Fi movie for once since after 2000, most Sci Fi movies have been based on video games or comics and remakes. Other then 28 Days later, Sunshine and Unbreakable their has not been a great original Sci Fi movie. I feel like Sci Fi has came to a end in the late 90's.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 09:51:19 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 06, 2009, 09:51:19 PM
Don't worry, about fifty thousand "classic" scifi books are about to be made into movies.
Hyperion, Nueromancer, Forever War, etc etc etc.
Hyperion, Nueromancer, Forever War, etc etc etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 13, 2009, 05:23:09 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 13, 2009, 05:23:09 PM
Toy line announced! http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=52860
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 24, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 24, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Avatar's Laz Alonso says he was being filmed by 197 cameras simultaneously!
http://filmonic.com/avatars-laz-alonso-says-he-was-being-filmed-by-197-cameras
197 cameras? wow :o
http://filmonic.com/avatars-laz-alonso-says-he-was-being-filmed-by-197-cameras
Quote
"Technologically speaking, we are being filmed by 197 cameras simultaneously, every single take. It's something you just can't explain in words this man has created. At first it was intimidating because I've never worked in that environment before. You don't know what to expect or how it works, or anything about it. But then you realize it's actually very liberating because in film you have only one to three cameras max at one time. You usually have to save your energy cause you got to do your wide shot. You can't let it all out in your wide shot because by the time you come to your close up you're spent. So you have to save everything until you get to the close up and then unleash. Usually close ups are at the end of the day. Whereas here (Avatar filming), every single take is close up, every single take is wide shot, and every single take is a medium shot. And he goes in later to figure out which take he wants to use for which moment. It's very liberating because you can give 100% every single take."
197 cameras? wow :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 24, 2009, 11:46:24 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 24, 2009, 11:46:24 PM
oO!
Is principal photography still going on or is it in post?
Is principal photography still going on or is it in post?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 25, 2009, 12:07:14 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 25, 2009, 12:07:14 AM
It's in post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 25, 2009, 03:34:09 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 25, 2009, 03:34:09 AM
I thought so. God I would hate to have to edit all that footage!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 25, 2009, 04:45:43 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 25, 2009, 04:45:43 AM
True that.
Just having to screen the footage has to be a massive undertaking.
I can only imagine the amount of storage he has to have.
Just having to screen the footage has to be a massive undertaking.
I can only imagine the amount of storage he has to have.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 25, 2009, 05:05:13 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 25, 2009, 05:05:13 AM
Good lord.
197 cameras. I can't even imagine the scope of that.
197 cameras. I can't even imagine the scope of that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 25, 2009, 04:24:05 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 25, 2009, 04:24:05 PM
James Cameron is too badass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 25, 2009, 07:40:40 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 25, 2009, 07:40:40 PM
Why are people surprised? This is a guy that filmed so many alternate takes and extended scenes of Terminator 2, that the total length of film could stretch from LA to the moon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 26, 2009, 02:21:45 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 26, 2009, 02:21:45 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 25, 2009, 07:40:40 PM
Why are people surprised? This is a guy that filmed so many alternate takes and extended scenes of Terminator 2, that the total length of film could stretch from LA to the moon.
I actually didn't know this...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 26, 2009, 02:50:14 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 26, 2009, 02:50:14 AM
Now you know.
Don't be surprised when cameron has actors with camera's behind their pupils in the near future. This guy bask in the glory of his technical achievement. The T2 thing was ridiculously over the top when it was found out, so is this. Just expect craziness and he won't surprise you anymore.
Don't be surprised when cameron has actors with camera's behind their pupils in the near future. This guy bask in the glory of his technical achievement. The T2 thing was ridiculously over the top when it was found out, so is this. Just expect craziness and he won't surprise you anymore.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 26, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 26, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
I think the 3d aspect is going to surprise me now matter how crazy I know he is with film tech. I've seen some impressive 3d at IMAX, but this new camera process is supposed to be a big leap in 3d. Everyone says it's like nothing you've seen before, and considering it's more advanced than any other 3d I've seen, I'm pretty confident in subscribing to those claims!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 27, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 27, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
This will be the first movie I will see in IMAX.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 01:18:49 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 01:18:49 AM
Imax is pretty cool.
Screen so big it takes all of your vision.
Screen so big it takes all of your vision.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Private Hudson on Feb 27, 2009, 01:22:56 AM
Post by: Private Hudson on Feb 27, 2009, 01:22:56 AM
Doesn't that make it really blurry?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 02:39:08 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 02:39:08 AM
Not really. I have a pretty bad astigmatism, so I have to sit off of it near the back, but other than that, you quickly adjust when the action starts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 27, 2009, 02:49:36 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 27, 2009, 02:49:36 AM
They use really high-res projectors, better than what they use in most regular theaters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Newsfop on Feb 27, 2009, 02:55:30 AM
Post by: Newsfop on Feb 27, 2009, 02:55:30 AM
Jimbo never does anything half-assed. He's a man with a clear picture in his mind and he makes it certain by any and all means to translate that picture from his cranium to the screen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 03:18:13 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 03:18:13 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 27, 2009, 02:49:36 AM
They use really high-res projectors, better than what they use in most regular theaters.
Yep. Several (hundred? Can't remember the infomercial that plays beforehand)times the amount thats in a regular theater. Plus its projection method if I recall is different. More lights or something or the other.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 27, 2009, 05:04:28 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 27, 2009, 05:04:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 25, 2009, 07:40:40 PMI enjoy hyperbole as much as the next guy, but that's just silly. :D
Why are people surprised? This is a guy that filmed so many alternate takes and extended scenes of Terminator 2, that the total length of film could stretch from LA to the moon.
Average film reel = 1000 feet.
1 kilometre = approx 3280 feet.
Distance to moon = approx 384,000 km
Now, I'm pretty bad at maths, but doesn't that mean that:
Film reels needed to reach moon = approx 1,259,520,000?
Uhuh. Do they store the raw film in the same warehouse as the Lost Ark, the fallen Martian Tripods, and all those working hoverboards that were banned from sale? ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 06:01:54 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 06:01:54 AM
It was sarcasm.
The total length of printed film was something like 1.4 million. An outrageous amount.
The rest of the unprinted film is located between the ark and the super future inter dimensional space mummy.
So you know.
The total length of printed film was something like 1.4 million. An outrageous amount.
The rest of the unprinted film is located between the ark and the super future inter dimensional space mummy.
So you know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 27, 2009, 06:26:28 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 27, 2009, 06:26:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 06:01:54 AMI see. I guess that's up to the individual. ;)
It was sarcasm.
But passing it off to Mikey as fact is pretty mean. No need for a Mice 'n Men sitch up in here. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 06:37:08 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 27, 2009, 06:37:08 AM
Eh. If you haven't figured out that only one out of every ten of my post are based in any sort of fact based reality..........I can't really help you.
You only need to look at my post history to discover that very rarely do I post straight up non bs stuff.
If mikey believed me, I'm sorry. I figured the post immediately after that where I talked about Cameron implanting camera's in the eye would give it away.
You only need to look at my post history to discover that very rarely do I post straight up non bs stuff.
If mikey believed me, I'm sorry. I figured the post immediately after that where I talked about Cameron implanting camera's in the eye would give it away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 27, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 27, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
O dood!!1!1! I forgot about all the hoverboards they had to take off the market cuz that kid broke'd him arm off. Man, send in Moldy and Scolder... We need answers, i want to HUVAR NOW.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Feb 27, 2009, 07:16:11 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Feb 27, 2009, 07:16:11 PM
QuoteDo they store the raw film in the same warehouse as the Lost ArkThat made me laugh, but who knows..
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2F2eewo5c.jpg&hash=a4a884f5b9bf1aec276b525c4476af8ace57530b)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 28, 2009, 04:58:40 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 28, 2009, 04:58:40 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if that were true lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 01, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 01, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
STAR TREK director(J.J. Abrams) wearing AVATAR T-shirt!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aintitcool.com%2Fimages2009%2FWonderTrekAvatar1.jpg&hash=38b4c7daac1cc6f906242688f6ab02421bacb55c)
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40276
There are people in Hollywood (Danny Boyle, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Jon Favreau, Steven Soderbergh) who are excited for Avatar 8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aintitcool.com%2Fimages2009%2FWonderTrekAvatar1.jpg&hash=38b4c7daac1cc6f906242688f6ab02421bacb55c)
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40276
There are people in Hollywood (Danny Boyle, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Jon Favreau, Steven Soderbergh) who are excited for Avatar 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
I really hadn't heard anything at all about this film until I saw this thread :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 02, 2009, 07:33:33 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 02, 2009, 07:33:33 PM
And now you are prepared to have your eyeballs f**ked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2009, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2009, 08:27:14 PM
Just found out that the film is in 3d. Means I can't watch it. Bummer >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 03, 2009, 09:09:31 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 03, 2009, 09:09:31 PM
Why's that?
I'm sure it will be 2D too.
I'm sure it will be 2D too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 03, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 03, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
There will have to be multiple prints and versions made of this film, from IMAX to Digital 3D to good old fashioned film reels. Not everyone will be able to see it in 3D unfortunately, but in order to do a nation/world wide release there will be 2D versions. In all likelihood it will most likely only be in 3D for a few weeks and then be largely 2D in order for theaters to cycle through their blockbusters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 04, 2009, 05:05:18 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 04, 2009, 05:05:18 AM
3d for me for sure!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 04, 2009, 05:11:24 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 04, 2009, 05:11:24 AM
I never have been and probably never will be impressed with 3-d. It seems like a gag to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 06:08:54 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 06:08:54 AM
Of course its a gag, but its a fun one lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV2650 on Mar 04, 2009, 06:14:49 AM
Post by: EEV2650 on Mar 04, 2009, 06:14:49 AM
I heard Michael Biehn might be onboard so i'm definetly hyped by that fact alone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Newsfop on Mar 04, 2009, 06:21:14 AM
Post by: Newsfop on Mar 04, 2009, 06:21:14 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 06:08:54 AM
Of course its a gag, but its a fun one lol.
Not so much when you have to wear glasses to see regularly. I always have the option to get contact lenses I suppose, but I can't stand sticking crap in my eyes. I'm not particularly baited by the whole 3D thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2009, 09:04:06 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2009, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 06:08:54 AMNot when the director takes every damned opportunity to stick something in your face.
Of course its a gag, but its a fun one lol.
See also, the opening half-hour of Beowulf. I almost turned it off twenty minutes in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 09:28:23 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 04, 2009, 09:28:23 AM
What else do you expect from a 3D movie? That was the only thing that disappointed me about Coraline, they only did that like once.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 04, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Mar 04, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 03, 2009, 09:09:31 PM
Why's that?
I'm sure it will be 2D too.
I have a Red-Green colour defect in my eyes. Not exactly sure how it works, but I think that my eyes can't see/process both colours at the same time, so it doesn't stand out :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 04, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 04, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
I'm pretty sure that it will be "Real-D", not red and blue. It'll be shaded.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 04, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 04, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/james-camerons-avatar-could-be-first-big-3d-release-on-blu-ray/6421
"While the standard for 3D on Blu-ray is still up for debate Panasonic could be working close with James Cameron on his "Avatar" as the first Blu-ray release to feature the company's 3D technology."
This could be cool.
"While the standard for 3D on Blu-ray is still up for debate Panasonic could be working close with James Cameron on his "Avatar" as the first Blu-ray release to feature the company's 3D technology."
This could be cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Mar 04, 2009, 07:44:03 PM
Post by: Vanski on Mar 04, 2009, 07:44:03 PM
Good thing we have a 3D teather now in town, i've planned this to be my first 3D experience.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Mar 07, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Mar 07, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
I'll have to drive up to Toronto for an Imax theatre, and no doubt that place will be packed to the brim.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 07, 2009, 05:56:35 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 07, 2009, 05:56:35 PM
IMAX!!! Hell yeah!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 08, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 08, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Strange Days For Cameron's Avatar - Is The Film's Most Showstopping Set-Piece Doomed?
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/06/strange-days-for-camerons-avatar-is-the-films-most-showstopping-set-piece-doomed/
According to the correlating reports they have received, one of the film's big standout sequences is a 12 minute, first person perspective chase. I suppose you might think immediately of the opening sequence to Strange Days or, less favorably, the gimmick scene in Doom. :o
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/06/strange-days-for-camerons-avatar-is-the-films-most-showstopping-set-piece-doomed/
According to the correlating reports they have received, one of the film's big standout sequences is a 12 minute, first person perspective chase. I suppose you might think immediately of the opening sequence to Strange Days or, less favorably, the gimmick scene in Doom. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 08, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 08, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Mar 08, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Strange Days For Cameron's Avatar - Is The Film's Most Showstopping Set-Piece Doomed?
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/06/strange-days-for-camerons-avatar-is-the-films-most-showstopping-set-piece-doomed/
According to the correlating reports they have received, one of the film's big standout sequences is a 12 minute, first person perspective chase. I suppose you might think immediately of the opening sequence to Strange Days or, less favorably, the gimmick scene in Doom. :o
If he hired this guy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/03/meet_the_bionic_reporter.html) - problem solved.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 08, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 08, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
I was told that this scene will melt our brains...so YEAAHHH!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2009, 03:45:56 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2009, 03:45:56 PM
I hated the FPS scene in Doom, but most of that movie looked stupid and cheesy anyways. I have enough faith in the Camero-man to make it work. That's what he generally excels at "making it work".
Edit: typ0.
Edit: typ0.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 08, 2009, 11:39:42 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 08, 2009, 11:39:42 PM
Strange Days first person sequences kicked ass.
I don't have a doubt he could pull it off.
I don't have a doubt he could pull it off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 09, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 09, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
Cameron Nixes Avatar Trailers?
According to MarketSaw, eight trailers "have already been made for Avatar and all of them failed the test with James Cameron. He is hard at work prepping his own trailer for the masses as he knows the first trailer has to be done right."
http://movies.ign.com/articles/960/960521p1.html
According to MarketSaw, eight trailers "have already been made for Avatar and all of them failed the test with James Cameron. He is hard at work prepping his own trailer for the masses as he knows the first trailer has to be done right."
http://movies.ign.com/articles/960/960521p1.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 09, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 09, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
James Cameron is more hardcore than I believed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 09, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 09, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 09, 2009, 09:57:52 PMYeah..James Cameron is making his own damn Avatar trailer
James Cameron is more hardcore than I believed.
Fox's marketing department don't know how to cut that ****.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 09, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 09, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Busting a Stallone
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 10, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 10, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Hmm they also said there's a possibility of seeing clips at the Showest trade show at the end of the month.
Hopefully its true. We'll be able to see what the movie will be like.
Hopefully its true. We'll be able to see what the movie will be like.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 05:22:47 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 05:22:47 AM
My brain is melting.
Trailers have been made... good, okay... and he says "Yeah right. This isn't godly enough. Give it to me to do."
Twitching.
I don't even know what AVATAR is about, but if Cameron is so intense on this, it has to be amazing.
Trailers have been made... good, okay... and he says "Yeah right. This isn't godly enough. Give it to me to do."
Twitching.
I don't even know what AVATAR is about, but if Cameron is so intense on this, it has to be amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 10, 2009, 06:06:36 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 10, 2009, 06:06:36 AM
He's James Cameron aka GOD, so yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 09:27:39 AM
Post by: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 05:22:47 AM
My brain is melting.
Trailers have been made... good, okay... and he says "Yeah right. This isn't godly enough. Give it to me to do."
Twitching.
I don't even know what AVATAR is about, but if Cameron is so intense on this, it has to be amazing.
As i know the movie is about a crippled veteran who's brother died in the AVATAR program. The Avatar program is making a remote controlled humans in alien bodies and use them in dangerous missions and planets. The veteran (Sam Worthington) is trying to protect and save he's Avatar as he travels from planet to planet and on one planet he falls in love with and gorgeous alien.
That's what i know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
Post by: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
Cool poster:
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 02:02:50 PMThat real?
Cool poster:
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/41/07/f9e08bd69dc04107.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 10, 2009, 03:18:33 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 10, 2009, 03:18:33 PM
^^^^^
Wow...that's a great looking poster!
Wow...that's a great looking poster!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 03:27:26 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2009, 02:21:44 PMI dont think so, first of all it has the rating already on it, which is impossible by now.Quote from: vortep on Mar 10, 2009, 02:02:50 PMThat real?
Cool poster:
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/41/07/f9e08bd69dc04107.jpg
Then it says "Poster by Rushpoint" on it.
I don't like the poster that much anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 10, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 10, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
I dont like it either, or at least I think that it looks like concept art that they photoshopped in front of something that is supposed to be reminiscent of Cameron's underwater fare.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 11, 2009, 10:48:43 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 11, 2009, 10:48:43 PM
AVATAR BS Straightened Out!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40395
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40395
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 11, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 11, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
I hope they have a full trailer out for the summer blockbusters. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 19, 2009, 08:34:44 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 19, 2009, 08:34:44 PM
Avatar" Budget: $300 Million Plus
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/time-confirms-my-estimate-of-avatar.html
Avatar will be the most expensive movie ever made
Cameron. You are awesome.
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/time-confirms-my-estimate-of-avatar.html
Avatar will be the most expensive movie ever made
Cameron. You are awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 19, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 19, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
This better not flop with a budget like that. This might break The Dark Knight box office recored.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 19, 2009, 08:41:21 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 19, 2009, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Mar 19, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
This better not flop with a budget like that. This might break The Dark Knight box office recored.
If it does, my bet is it takes a lot longer to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 19, 2009, 08:45:13 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 19, 2009, 08:45:13 PM
Well of course it's going to make the money back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 19, 2009, 09:43:15 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 19, 2009, 09:43:15 PM
James Cameron, always going balls to the wall.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Deathbearer on Mar 19, 2009, 09:50:42 PM
Post by: Deathbearer on Mar 19, 2009, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Mar 19, 2009, 08:34:44 PM
Avatar" Budget: $300 Million Plus
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/time-confirms-my-estimate-of-avatar.html
Avatar will be the most expensive movie ever made
Cameron. You are awesome.
:o f**k that's a lot of money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 20, 2009, 04:15:17 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 20, 2009, 04:15:17 AM
Holy crap. Hype meter just went through the roof!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 20, 2009, 10:00:04 AM
Post by: vortep on Mar 20, 2009, 10:00:04 AM
QuoteTime magazine wrote an article on the future of 3-D and while doing their research, the magazine also had the chance to see the first footage from the upcoming James Cameron-directed "Avatar" film, which hits theaters on December 18th. Below is an excerpt from the article:
More than a thousand people have worked on it, at a cost in excess of $300 million, and it represents digital filmmaking's bleeding edge. Cameron wrote the treatment for it in 1995 as a way to push his digital-production company to its limits. He worked for years to build the tools he needed to realize his vision. The movie pioneers two unrelated technologies--e-motion capture, which uses images from tiny cameras rigged to actors' heads to replicate their expressions, and digital 3-D.
Avatar is filmed in the old "Spruce Goose" hangar, the 16,000-sq.-ft. space where Howard Hughes built his wooden airplane. The film is set in the future, and most of the action takes place on a mythical planet, Pandora. The actors work in an empty studio; Pandora's lush jungle-aquatic environment is computer-generated in New Zealand by Jackson's special-effects company, Weta Digital, and added later.
I couldn't tell what was real and what was animated--even knowing that the 9-ft.-tall blue, dappled dude couldn't possibly be real. The scenes were so startling and absorbing that the following morning, I had the peculiar sensation of wanting to return there, as if Pandora were real.
:o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 20, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 20, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
GOD HAS RETURNED
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
I don't know whats so mind blowing about the article, there is already CG in movies that one cant tell if its real or not, they fooled me hundreds of times.
I'll wait for the first trailer to convince myself that this is so outstanding. Plus this seems like a movie that is just done to show us the new CG and 3D technology instead of caring for a good story.
I want to hear something about the storyline of the movie and not how awesome the effects are all the time. They wont lure me into the theater if its all about effects.
I'll wait for the first trailer to convince myself that this is so outstanding. Plus this seems like a movie that is just done to show us the new CG and 3D technology instead of caring for a good story.
I want to hear something about the storyline of the movie and not how awesome the effects are all the time. They wont lure me into the theater if its all about effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 20, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
Post by: NintendoMan on Mar 20, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
Your caring about the storyline???!?!
This is JAMES CAMERON where talking about?
Every single film he's directed, has ALWAYS had a fantastic story that compels you.
This is JAMES CAMERON where talking about?
Every single film he's directed, has ALWAYS had a fantastic story that compels you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 20, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 20, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
How the hell are they are going to portray a REALISTIC 9 foot tall blue alien?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
JAMES CAMERON...THAT'S HOW!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 20, 2009, 01:23:16 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 20, 2009, 01:23:16 PM
I have faith he can do it, I'm just wondering how he's going to do it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 20, 2009, 03:11:15 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 20, 2009, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 20, 2009, 01:23:16 PM
I have faith he can do it, I'm just wondering how he's going to do it.
Magic....Cinema Magic ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 20, 2009, 05:09:18 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 20, 2009, 05:09:18 PM
UPDATE: TIME has updated its article with the following correction: "The original version of this story misstated the cost of the film Avatar as being in excess of $300 million. The correct figure is in excess of $200 million."
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=53847
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=53847
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 20, 2009, 05:49:47 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 20, 2009, 05:49:47 PM
I'd just like an actual photo of one of the new aliens. A screencap from a trailer or something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 20, 2009, 05:09:18 PMCAMERON THE ULTIMATE BADASS!!! :P
UPDATE: TIME has updated its article with the following correction: "The original version of this story misstated the cost of the film Avatar as being in excess of $300 million. The correct figure is in excess of $200 million."
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=53847
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 20, 2009, 06:39:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 20, 2009, 06:39:48 PM
James Cameron Stereoscopic 3D camera
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2009, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2009, 07:42:19 PM
I can't wait anylong since I have been waiting for this movie since 2006. This movie will be best picture for sure and it will make more money then The Dark Knight did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: NintendoMan on Mar 20, 2009, 12:40:57 PMUsually they're derivative messes saved by his expert showmanship blinding you to just how utterly unoriginal and thoughtless they largely are.
Your caring about the storyline???!?!
This is JAMES CAMERON where talking about?
Every single film he's directed, has ALWAYS had a fantastic story that compels you.
I don't see this changing. Cameron makes movies for effects, not effects for movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 20, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 20, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
I think he's a great writer, personally. I don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
He's okay.
I just wouldn't say he's unique or original.
He's just an expert at using spectacle to capture an audiences imagination.
Thematically his themes are often repeated and not very derivative of one another. Family units tend to trump all evil, corporate human lusting for wealth and power is bad, nuclear war is a threat we all must take seriously, etc etc etc.
I still think the original Terminator is his best work. And Strange Days is a project he was involved in that was underrated, even though all his claims about the level of his involvement have been refuted by people on the set. Namely that he didn't direct the action sequences, and that the script was altered after he offered it to his ex wife to film.
Good action director. And an expert salesman.
Maybe the hiatus will have matured his sensibilities some. If you don't think he's derivative as a writer, he's even deriviative of himself. How many times will we watch a movie of his about "pure" characters thrown into an evil world?
He's good. With the potential to be great, but most of the times his movies leave your eyes happy, and your brain somewhere else.
I just wouldn't say he's unique or original.
He's just an expert at using spectacle to capture an audiences imagination.
Thematically his themes are often repeated and not very derivative of one another. Family units tend to trump all evil, corporate human lusting for wealth and power is bad, nuclear war is a threat we all must take seriously, etc etc etc.
I still think the original Terminator is his best work. And Strange Days is a project he was involved in that was underrated, even though all his claims about the level of his involvement have been refuted by people on the set. Namely that he didn't direct the action sequences, and that the script was altered after he offered it to his ex wife to film.
Good action director. And an expert salesman.
Maybe the hiatus will have matured his sensibilities some. If you don't think he's derivative as a writer, he's even deriviative of himself. How many times will we watch a movie of his about "pure" characters thrown into an evil world?
He's good. With the potential to be great, but most of the times his movies leave your eyes happy, and your brain somewhere else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2009, 09:46:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2009, 09:46:56 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 09:38:04 PMAnd even that he got sued over for plagiarism.
I still think the original Terminator is his best work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
Yes, after very stupidly admitting he got his ideas from Ellison.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 20, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 20, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 10:08:25 PM...Huh?
Yes, after very stupidly admitting he got his ideas from Ellison.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2009, 11:19:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2009, 11:19:39 PM
The main reasson I can't wait for this movie is that we are getting a original Sfi movie for once. Sfi movies since 2001 have been remakes, comic book movies and video games. Their have been very little original Sfi movies since then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 20, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 20, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
There have been a couple good diamonds in the rough. Sunshine, The Chronicles of Riddick, Serenity... and prolly some others lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 12:02:19 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 12:02:19 AM
Serenity, Unbreakble, 28 Days Later and Sunshine are the only good original ones. I think Sfi died after 1999. The 90's had the last great original Sfi movies like Ghost in the Shell, The Matrix, Dark City, The Fifth Element, Gattaca, Total Recall, Stange Days, 6th Day (I think it came out in 1998), The Iron Giant, Twelve Monkeys and Neon Genesis Evangelion (Both the TV series and the movie "End of Evanglion").
The late 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's where the best for Sfi movies IMO.
The late 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's where the best for Sfi movies IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 21, 2009, 12:04:38 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 21, 2009, 12:04:38 AM
Yeah, well times change. Space isnt as big a seller as it used to be. The infinite macroverse has been replaced by the infinite microverse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 21, 2009, 01:53:58 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 21, 2009, 01:53:58 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 20, 2009, 10:17:17 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2009, 10:08:25 PM...Huh?
Yes, after very stupidly admitting he got his ideas from Ellison.
He admitted that he got his idea for terminator after an outer limits episode penned by Harlan Ellison and used that concept for his movie.
Thats why you see Harlan Ellison's names in the credits of new dvd releases of the Terminator, but not every VHS release of the terminator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:25:34 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:25:34 AM
OoO, and there's an Agent Ellison in the TV series (Sarah Connor Chronicles). :)
Anyways, Cameron's movies are damn entertaining. Considering that's what movies are for, I think he's a genius in the field.
Anyways, Cameron's movies are damn entertaining. Considering that's what movies are for, I think he's a genius in the field.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 21, 2009, 03:46:57 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 21, 2009, 03:46:57 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=12630&count=0
Just read the update.
Just read the update.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:48:22 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:48:22 AM
I think the update was already posted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 21, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 21, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Don't see it anywhere else. I just read that someone posted 300 million...this update says that it's only just over 200 million.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:51:26 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:51:26 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 21, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Don't see it anywhere else. I just read that someone posted 300 million...this update says that it's only just over 200 million.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 20, 2009, 05:09:18 PM
UPDATE: TIME has updated its article with the following correction: "The original version of this story misstated the cost of the film Avatar as being in excess of $300 million. The correct figure is in excess of $200 million."
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=53847
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 21, 2009, 04:28:59 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 21, 2009, 04:28:59 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 21, 2009, 03:25:34 AM
OoO, and there's an Agent Ellison in the TV series (Sarah Connor Chronicles). :)
Anyways, Cameron's movies are damn entertaining. Considering that's what movies are for, I think he's a genius in the field.
I don't think he isn't interesting. I just don't believe the hype of him being one of the best ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 21, 2009, 08:16:49 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 21, 2009, 08:16:49 AM
The story actually sounds really frikkin' cool.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/5169
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/5169
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 21, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 21, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
...Honestly? Eh.
It's gonna be a spectacle, no doubt. It's going to be go there, pay your ticket, get your senses blown, leave feeling you haven't wasted your money, then realise three hours later that there was nothing to it but big effects.
At least The Terminator ripped off an interesting plot. This just sounds like a Godzilla movie - Forty minutes of plot, then action, then oh wait, there was a plot? Man, I can't remember anymore, here, have a force-fed moral and some closing credits.
It's gonna be a spectacle, no doubt. It's going to be go there, pay your ticket, get your senses blown, leave feeling you haven't wasted your money, then realise three hours later that there was nothing to it but big effects.
At least The Terminator ripped off an interesting plot. This just sounds like a Godzilla movie - Forty minutes of plot, then action, then oh wait, there was a plot? Man, I can't remember anymore, here, have a force-fed moral and some closing credits.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Sounds like the new Star Wars movies with all the fancy creatures and of course this is going to be your typical 2 1/2 hour CG fest pepped up with 3D.
I'm kind of underwhelmed and as usual, there is a little love story in it, its a must have in a Cameron movie and I'm tired of this stuff.
Like Sil said its going to be a ride, but there is nothing behind it.
I'm kind of underwhelmed and as usual, there is a little love story in it, its a must have in a Cameron movie and I'm tired of this stuff.
Like Sil said its going to be a ride, but there is nothing behind it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
I'm suprise people already bashing this movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 21, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 21, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
Are you really? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 07:05:41 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Mar 21, 2009, 04:50:30 PMFirst of all I'm not bashing anything.
I'm suprise people already bashing this movie.
Second, I'm surprised that people go nuts when they hear that the budget is 200 mil when infact it doesn't mean anything.
It does ensure fancy effects but not a good movie, that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
Aside from his work prior to Terminator, he's yet to make a bad film by any standards.
(blah blah blah we hate titanic blah blah blah)
I see no reason as to why this has any chance of failing outside of the box office. (which I don't see happening at all, but that's the biggest foreseeable problem.)
(blah blah blah we hate titanic blah blah blah)
I see no reason as to why this has any chance of failing outside of the box office. (which I don't see happening at all, but that's the biggest foreseeable problem.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 08:51:36 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 08:51:36 PM
He hasn't made a bad film since Pirahna 2. Yet, for me personally I haven't really liked any of his stuff after ALIENS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 08:51:36 PMI don't think his movies are Phenomenal like some people make them out.
He hasn't made a bad film since Pirahna 2. Yet, for me personally I haven't really liked any of his stuff after ALIENS.
Terminator, Aliens and Terminator 2 are unique, the other stuff he made might as well be directed by some other guy around the corner.
That's my opinion about his movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 07:05:41 PMQuote from: Kaworu on Mar 21, 2009, 04:50:30 PMIt does ensure fancy effects but not a good movie, that's all I'm saying.
I'm suprise people already bashing this movie.
James is a great writer after and he made all great movies like Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, T2, Ture Lies and Titanic (Won 10 Oscars) and the movie that sucked was Pirahna 2. He also wrote First Blood: Part II.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
On second thought I do like T2 but not as much as T1. T1 is much darker and grittier and that's why I like it more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
Same here but T2 was a better movie critcly speaking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 10:41:40 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Mar 21, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
Same here but T2 was a better movie critcly speaking.
Well how, it really dragged in the middle, it had an annoying kid and the PG-13.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2009, 10:44:07 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2009, 10:44:07 PM
All kids are annoying. John's portrayal in T2 was just fine.
It wasn't PG-13.....
Dragged in the middle? To each his own. I still watch it from beginning to end.
But do we really have to turn this into another f**king T1vT2 thread?
f**k.
It wasn't PG-13.....
Dragged in the middle? To each his own. I still watch it from beginning to end.
But do we really have to turn this into another f**king T1vT2 thread?
f**k.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 10:41:40 PMActually Terminator 2 is rated R.Quote from: Kaworu on Mar 21, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
Same here but T2 was a better movie critcly speaking.
Well how, it really dragged in the middle, it had an annoying kid and the PG-13.
QuoteDragged in the middle? To each his own. I still watch it from beginning to end.It really dragged in the middle, that's why i prefer the original version and not the directors cut, all the scenes with the human emotion and him trying to laugh was unnecessary and really dragged.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
Actually Terminator 2 is rated R.
PG-13 by today's standards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 21, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
T-3 would have been PG-13 if it was not for the nude scene of TX.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 22, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 22, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 21, 2009, 11:32:10 PMNo, i dont think you could get away with scene that shows the guy with his head pinned to the wall through his mouth by the T-1000.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
Actually Terminator 2 is rated R.
PG-13 by today's standards.
Or the scene where the T-1000 imitates the security guard and stabs him through the eye, you dont see stuff like that in PG-13 movies because they always pull back.
PG-13 in the end of the day is a PG-13,suitable for kids, like The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 26, 2009, 08:45:28 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 26, 2009, 08:45:28 AM
Ridley Scott loves Avatar
http://www.wharf.co.uk/2009/03/ridley-scott-on-alien-3d-and-s.html
QuoteI've seen some of James Cameron's work, and I've got to go 3D. It's going to be phenomenal."great article
http://www.wharf.co.uk/2009/03/ridley-scott-on-alien-3d-and-s.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
All I'm hearing about this movie is "The effects are great!"
Yeah, that's nice. What about the rest of the film? Plot? Characters? Y'know, the things that make it more than just a two-hour montage of special effect sequences?
Yeah, that's nice. What about the rest of the film? Plot? Characters? Y'know, the things that make it more than just a two-hour montage of special effect sequences?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
I'm sure those details will come when less exclusive people are allowed to see the movie in full. Most people that have seen anything only saw a sample and/or are other filmmaker elites. I don't have a lot of doubt in Cameron being able to entertain, so to me, the big sell is the 3D tech. I don't want it to be gimmicky feeling, so it's nice to hear what these other movie veterans have to say about the 'effects'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 26, 2009, 05:47:48 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 26, 2009, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
Yeah, that's nice. What about the rest of the film? Plot? Characters? Y'know, the things that make it more than just a two-hour montage of special effect sequences?
Have those ever been a problem in a James Cameron film?
Nope.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
He never has and his last movie did won 11 oscars after all and I think this movie will end best picture. All of his movies have been great critcly speaking.
Pirahna 2: 11%
Terminator: 100%
First Blood Part II: 30%
Aliens: 100%
The Abyss: 84%
T2: 100%
Stange Days: 60%
Ture Lies: 68%
Titanic: 84%
He was the Photography for Escape to New York after all ;).
Pirahna 2: 11%
Terminator: 100%
First Blood Part II: 30%
Aliens: 100%
The Abyss: 84%
T2: 100%
Stange Days: 60%
Ture Lies: 68%
Titanic: 84%
He was the Photography for Escape to New York after all ;).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Mar 26, 2009, 08:53:46 PM
Post by: severen76 on Mar 26, 2009, 08:53:46 PM
Didn't Titanic win all it's Oscars for the special effects?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
So the dude is good at effects too. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
He's one of the BEST at effects. In terms of seeing something you don't see everyday, he's one of the very best ever.
If Ridley liked what he saw my hope for it went up a ways. Its different when your colleagues end up enjoying it, over a forum full of internet nerdz.
If Ridley liked what he saw my hope for it went up a ways. Its different when your colleagues end up enjoying it, over a forum full of internet nerdz.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 09:33:13 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Mar 26, 2009, 08:53:46 PM
Didn't Titanic win all it's Oscars for the special effects?
It won because it a great movie critcly speaking and it had a good story, and acting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 09:57:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 09:57:59 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Mar 26, 2009, 05:47:48 PMHave they ever not?
Have those ever been a problem in a James Cameron film?
Nope.
It'd be nice to have a Cameron movie, for once, that actually balanced out a decent story and characters, something that wasn't painfully derivative of A) Someone else's work or B) His own, that didn't drag like a mofo, and had more than cookie-cutter characters.
Seriously, if you're going balls-out on the effects, give a complete package. Write a damned decent script for once.
True, this could be that movie, but from what little people have had to say about the plot it's same old crap, new whiz-bangs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 10:54:54 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2009, 10:54:54 PM
Why are you so hard on this movie ????
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Mar 27, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
Post by: Xhan on Mar 27, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
All I'm hearing about this movie is "The effects are great!"
Yeah, that's nice. What about the rest of the film? Plot? Characters? Y'know, the things that make it more than just a two-hour montage of special effect sequences?
Never seen a James Cameron film before, then?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2009, 12:40:13 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2009, 12:40:13 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Mar 27, 2009, 12:29:20 AMKind of my point.
Never seen a James Cameron film before, then?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
I am shocked by this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 27, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 27, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
If Avatar sucks it won't matter because if James Cameron can impress Ridley Scott with the technology, then we have a winner here.
Basically, think of the potential of what this means. Just like The Matrix, not the greatest movie (but fun), but it ushered in a whole lot of new special effects and camera techniques that has been integrated into modern cinema.
Basically, think of the potential of what this means. Just like The Matrix, not the greatest movie (but fun), but it ushered in a whole lot of new special effects and camera techniques that has been integrated into modern cinema.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
Post by: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
So the dude is good at effects too. :)
What?
Aliens : Won Visual effects Oscar
The Abyss: Won Visual effects Oscar
Terminator 2: Won Visual effects Oscar
True lies : Nominated for Visual effects Oscar
Titanic: Won Visual effects Oscar
That's equal to :
Avatar: Won Visual effects Oscar
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
This movie is just going to destroy everything before it. That's a freaking fact that is undeniable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 27, 2009, 04:24:27 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 27, 2009, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
This movie is just going to destroy everything before it. That's a freaking fact that is undeniable.
It'll probably just come and go. Doubt it's going to be anything special.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 27, 2009, 04:26:11 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 27, 2009, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 01:28:22 PMQuote from: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
So the dude is good at effects too. :)
What?
Aliens : Won Visual effects Oscar
The Abyss: Won Visual effects Oscar
Terminator 2: Won Visual effects Oscar
True lies : Nominated for Visual effects Oscar
Titanic: Won Visual effects Oscar
That's equal to :
Avatar: Won Visual effects Oscar
What?
I said "So the dude is good at effects too." (statement), in response to the previous comment. As in, even though most of his awards are for visual effects, I think he is still a great filmmaker in every other regard, not just effects. I wasn't asking if he was good at effects or I would have put a question mark (?).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 27, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 27, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Quote from: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 01:28:22 PMYeah and guess what, he didn't do the Visual Effects for those movies. The VFX Supervisors and Artists that he was lucky enough to have the money for did all the stuff.Quote from: Cellien on Mar 26, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
So the dude is good at effects too. :)
What?
Aliens : Won Visual effects Oscar
The Abyss: Won Visual effects Oscar
Terminator 2: Won Visual effects Oscar
True lies : Nominated for Visual effects Oscar
Titanic: Won Visual effects Oscar
That's equal to :
Avatar: Won Visual effects Oscar
So in the end of the day, his movies won Oscars in categories he didn't do shit for (exception: Titanic, which won Oscars in categories it shouldn't have won). Its easy to write something on a piece of paper of how it should look like, actually doing the stuff is something else entirely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Post by: vortep on Mar 27, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
QuoteTitanic, which won Oscars in categories it shouldn't have won
That was stupid!
Titanic deserved all the Oscars, in fact the movie was robbed! I should won 12 but Kate Winslet didn't take it. All the categories was more than deserving!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 27, 2009, 05:59:24 PMExcept James Cameron started out as an effects artist, and usually helps design and plan all the effects you see in his movies. He doesn't just write it down, then hand it to everyone else to do.
Yeah and guess what, he didn't do the Visual Effects for those movies. The VFX Supervisors and Artists that he was lucky enough to have the money for did all the stuff.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 27, 2009, 09:31:24 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 27, 2009, 09:31:24 PM
Like the Queen in Aliens ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 27, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 27, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 27, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
If Avatar sucks it won't matter because if James Cameron can impress Ridley Scott with the technology, then we have a winner here.
Basically, think of the potential of what this means. Just like The Matrix, not the greatest movie (but fun), but it ushered in a whole lot of new special effects and camera techniques that has been integrated into modern cinema.
The Matrix IS a great movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 28, 2009, 12:52:08 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 28, 2009, 12:52:08 AM
Titanic won best picture because it was a good movie with good acting, good story and a great overall screenplay.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 28, 2009, 12:56:25 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 28, 2009, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 27, 2009, 11:09:40 PMQuote from: gameoverman on Mar 27, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
If Avatar sucks it won't matter because if James Cameron can impress Ridley Scott with the technology, then we have a winner here.
Basically, think of the potential of what this means. Just like The Matrix, not the greatest movie (but fun), but it ushered in a whole lot of new special effects and camera techniques that has been integrated into modern cinema.
The Matrix IS a great movie.
He didn't say that it was NOT great, just NOT THE greatest.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 03:18:04 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 03:18:04 AM
I almost ate his face off. Thanks for holding me back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 04:56:51 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 04:56:51 AM
I'll eat your face for not mentioning Dark City which came out the year before The Matrix and had alot of the same visual style and themes.
I like The Matrix, but it does have it's flaws. Trinity's kiss, "love conquers all" I found a little cheesy and that AI would need humans for energy.
I like The Matrix, but it does have it's flaws. Trinity's kiss, "love conquers all" I found a little cheesy and that AI would need humans for energy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 05:08:24 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 05:08:24 AM
They don't really need them for energy. You can't get more energy than you can create. The fact that they kept humans alive must have meant they already had sufficient energy to run things.
More likely, despite what the humans thought, the machines were using them for Memory.
Dark City is good too. But I don't know if I'd say its an action flick.
More likely, despite what the humans thought, the machines were using them for Memory.
Dark City is good too. But I don't know if I'd say its an action flick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 05:22:03 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 05:22:03 AM
A human brain does not have much memory compared to what computers in the time of The Matrix would have. That's like saying the machines would keep old Commodore 64s for their memory storage.
Dark City is more of a mystery thriller - if you want more action than cerebral it's The Matrix, otherwise Dark City. I still think Dark City is the better movie, but The Matrix is more fun.
Dark City is more of a mystery thriller - if you want more action than cerebral it's The Matrix, otherwise Dark City. I still think Dark City is the better movie, but The Matrix is more fun.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 09:24:17 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 09:24:17 PM
The human brain has no limits to what it can store.
Your brain is a bottomless pit, even useless sensory information and things you thought were irrelevant and unnoteworthy can be recalled in an instant if the brain decides it needs it.
Its either a giant logic gap by the creators, or the process is more intricate than it lets on. You can't use people to get more energy, by using energy to keep people alive. It doesn't make any sense. Otherwise you would just forget the people and make the energy.
Your brain is a bottomless pit, even useless sensory information and things you thought were irrelevant and unnoteworthy can be recalled in an instant if the brain decides it needs it.
Its either a giant logic gap by the creators, or the process is more intricate than it lets on. You can't use people to get more energy, by using energy to keep people alive. It doesn't make any sense. Otherwise you would just forget the people and make the energy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
It's a goof, obviously the writers made a mistake.
The human brain is just a blob of meat, wetware neurons that is more built for pattern recognition than memory storage. Human brain can't remember billions of lines of code because it didn't evolve that way.
The human brain is just a blob of meat, wetware neurons that is more built for pattern recognition than memory storage. Human brain can't remember billions of lines of code because it didn't evolve that way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2009, 10:09:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2009, 10:09:56 PM
You could if you made it. Human brain's already a better computer than anything we've made - It's just that it's nowhere near as consistent for retrieving and processing information, what with not having a handy-handy operating system and GUI to go with it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
The human brain cannot process millions of streams of data and do complex calculations. What the human brain can do better (currently) than computers is pattern recognition.
But if you could reverse engineer the human brain, you could upload it as software into a computer. They are already able to model parts of a rat's brain, containing billions of neurons.
But if you could reverse engineer the human brain, you could upload it as software into a computer. They are already able to model parts of a rat's brain, containing billions of neurons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 10:58:47 PMIt could and it does. Never seen those people who are freakishly good at maths?
The human brain cannot process millions of streams of data and do complex calculations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 11:49:40 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
It's a goof, obviously the writers made a mistake.
The human brain is just a blob of meat, wetware neurons that is more built for pattern recognition than memory storage. Human brain can't remember billions of lines of code because it didn't evolve that way.
Your assuming, of course, that it is used to store code.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 29, 2009, 12:20:22 AM
Post by: gameoverman on Mar 29, 2009, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 28, 2009, 11:39:31 PMQuote from: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 10:58:47 PMIt could and it does. Never seen those people who are freakishly good at maths?
The human brain cannot process millions of streams of data and do complex calculations.
Not even autistic savants can match the processing capability of a modern PC.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2009, 11:49:40 PMQuote from: gameoverman on Mar 28, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
It's a goof, obviously the writers made a mistake.
The human brain is just a blob of meat, wetware neurons that is more built for pattern recognition than memory storage. Human brain can't remember billions of lines of code because it didn't evolve that way.
Your assuming, of course, that it is used to store code.
Using the human brain to store anything doesn't make sense.
The plot of The Matrix isn't meant to be taken literally. It's an analogy for the world we live in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Mar 29, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Mar 29, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 29, 2009, 12:20:22 AM
The plot of The Matrix isn't meant to be taken literally. It's an analogy for the world we live in.
Bingo. Lots of people seem to forget that.
Although, the political and social themes are only present in the first Matrix. The sequels are more spiritual.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 29, 2009, 04:40:20 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 29, 2009, 04:40:20 AM
I saw Monsters vs Aliens today in Real-D 3D on a Sony 4k cinema system and it was pretty damn impressive looking. Very crisp and clear, granted this is one of the more high-end pieces of equipment out there. More info on the theater I saw it at and the system here: http://blog.originalalamo.com/2009/03/24/alamo-now-rocks-cutting-edge-digital-3d/
The glasses are comfortable and were sealed in plastic prior to the audience using them. At first, yes you are aware you are wearing glasses and that the 3d imagery you are seeing is popping out of a rectangle area. However, soon enough you are completely pulled in after your brain gets used to the idea of the 3D screen, and by this time you realize you're sticking your neck out at the screen like a crane because it's has you so immersed.
Needless to say, I can't wait to see what Avatar is going to look like. It's so impressive with an animated movie, I can only imagine (for now) what it's going to look like with live action. Some of the most impressive stuff in MvA were the realistic looking effects like snow, explosions, flying debris etc. The space scenes gave a real feeling of "massive-ness". I only wish they had an Avatar trailer ready for this movie as it was a big 3D release.
The glasses are comfortable and were sealed in plastic prior to the audience using them. At first, yes you are aware you are wearing glasses and that the 3d imagery you are seeing is popping out of a rectangle area. However, soon enough you are completely pulled in after your brain gets used to the idea of the 3D screen, and by this time you realize you're sticking your neck out at the screen like a crane because it's has you so immersed.
Needless to say, I can't wait to see what Avatar is going to look like. It's so impressive with an animated movie, I can only imagine (for now) what it's going to look like with live action. Some of the most impressive stuff in MvA were the realistic looking effects like snow, explosions, flying debris etc. The space scenes gave a real feeling of "massive-ness". I only wish they had an Avatar trailer ready for this movie as it was a big 3D release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 29, 2009, 05:28:26 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 29, 2009, 05:28:26 AM
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Mar 29, 2009, 03:33:29 AMQuote from: gameoverman on Mar 29, 2009, 12:20:22 AM
The plot of The Matrix isn't meant to be taken literally. It's an analogy for the world we live in.
Bingo. Lots of people seem to forget that.
Although, the political and social themes are only present in the first Matrix. The sequels are more spiritual.
I was talking about aspects of the plot. Not its underlying thematic elements. Which aren't always the same thing.
See War movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 30, 2009, 10:24:09 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 30, 2009, 10:24:09 PM
New Avatar Tagline Revealed ! :o
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/showestnews.php?id=54088
Awesome news! ;D
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/showestnews.php?id=54088
Awesome news! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 31, 2009, 06:48:20 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 31, 2009, 06:48:20 AM
Fox Co-Chairman Jim Gianopulos talks Avatar! (Showest 2009)
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/exclusive-fox-co-chairman-jim.html
"The hype-just judging by the fan base-the hype for this is unlike anything we've seen since maybe Star Wars: Episode I."
Gianopulos:" Well, I don't think it's comparable to anything...."
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/exclusive-fox-co-chairman-jim.html
"The hype-just judging by the fan base-the hype for this is unlike anything we've seen since maybe Star Wars: Episode I."
Gianopulos:" Well, I don't think it's comparable to anything...."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 31, 2009, 08:31:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 31, 2009, 08:31:29 AM
I thought using YouTube comments for advertising was a bad sign, but when you have a movie generating this much hype solely based on its special effects, something's wrong.
Now I'm repeating myself, so I'll shut up.
Now I'm repeating myself, so I'll shut up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 31, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 31, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
Lol SiL... I hear ya about the special effects always being the forefront of the news about Avatar (and I won't lie, after seeing Aliens vs Monsters with the new digital 3d projectors, all I can think about is how freaking cool Avatar is going to look being live action), but I'm sure that's just gonna be Fox's marketing angle. NEW SUPER AHSUME SyFy MAKER OF TERMINATOR ALIENS AND TITANIC BRINGS YOU A REV0looTIONARY RIDE IN THE NEW 3D SPACE AGE NASA-INSPIRED MILITARY GRADE 3D CAMERUHsss USED AT THE BOTTOM OOF THE OCEAN TO FILM MASSUHVE GIANT ENEMY CRABS... IN 3D!
So hopefully closer to release we'll get some marketing aimed at us Sci-Fi genre fans.
So hopefully closer to release we'll get some marketing aimed at us Sci-Fi genre fans.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 01, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 01, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
AVATAR's special effects costs $1.2 million for 1 minute footage!
Quote"I did get a chance to talk to RealD's president, Josh Greer, who is a real geek like us, seems to be in love with his job. I asked him about Avatar and he said he's seen much of it and that Cameron just got his first photoreal, finalized shots back from Weta and that they look incredible. He said not in an incredible effect kind of way, but that you really believe the 12 foot tall blue alien is a living, breathing creature giving a real performance.http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40608
He also said it was costing $1.2 million a minute to build, execute and render the film
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 01, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 01, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
Jurassic Park to finally be beaten?
HOLY SHIT
HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 01, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 01, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
That's a lot'o moniez per minute. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 02, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 02, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
How Fox Can Save Wolverine From Piracy
QuoteObviously there's a lot of scrambling going on at Fox today, as they try to figure out just who leaked the flawless copy of Wolverine online, and how much it's going to hurt their opening weekend. Here at ShoWest we've been talking about it nearly nonstop, and the general consensus seems to be that, no matter how much we all talk about how awful this kind of piracy is, there's a huge subset of fanboys who won't be at the multiplex on opening weekend.http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Fox-Can-Save-Wolverine-From-Piracy-12599.html
Fox doesn't have a lot of options to juice up the theatrical release, just one month before the movie is set to debut. There might be some previously deleted scenes that can be added, or even an effects shot or two that might add some interest. But director Gavin Hood is just one man, and on a movie this expensive, there's probably not a lot to add that's not already in the movie.
But Fox has one ace up their sleeve, one movie coming out this year that nearly everyone is excited about: Avatar. The word has been lately that we won't see a trailer, or even a single scene, from the movie until later this summer when Comic Con gets going. But if Fox can somehow pull together a trailer for Avatar and play it before Wolverine, they can recover from the enormous blow of the Wolverine piracy.
No movie coming out within the next year is shrouded in more secrecy than Avatar, and it's hard to imagine any other trailer audiences would pay $12 to see. It would be a scramble for them to pull something together that quickly, but if they're going to salvage this mess, they've got to start thinking creatively. If Avatar lives up to the hype, it will be by far the biggest movie Fox has this year. It's already time for them to start cashing in on it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 02, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 02, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
The trailer alone is worth my near 12 dollar ticket.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 02, 2009, 05:44:18 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 02, 2009, 05:44:18 PM
I'd go see it if an Avatar trailer is confirmed and they pass out real-D 3D glasses just for the trailer. However, I don't see that happening and to be honest it sounds like a pretty dumb I idea to debut a flagship 3D movie trailer at a 2D (lackluster) movie premiere.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 05, 2009, 01:41:26 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 05, 2009, 01:41:26 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=12863&count=0
^^^Spoiler about Michelle's character, and may I add that I think I was blind before because the pic they have for her in the article is the first time i've ever seen her looking beautiful as heck.
^^^Spoiler about Michelle's character, and may I add that I think I was blind before because the pic they have for her in the article is the first time i've ever seen her looking beautiful as heck.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 05, 2009, 05:11:31 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 05, 2009, 05:11:31 AM
Didn't read it... Don't want the SPOILS! :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 05, 2009, 07:25:21 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 05, 2009, 07:25:21 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Apr 05, 2009, 01:41:26 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=12863&count=0
^^^Spoiler about Michelle's character, and may I add that I think I was blind before because the pic they have for her in the article is the first time i've ever seen her looking beautiful as heck.
She's only recently abandoned the tough girl image in favor of the tough girl who can look pretty image. She's said so herself that feminine beauty made her uncomfortable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 06, 2009, 04:45:09 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 06, 2009, 04:45:09 AM
Well it's working.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 06, 2009, 04:56:46 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 06, 2009, 04:56:46 AM
I agree. Though I've always had a thing for tough chicks so I always liked her.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 06, 2009, 05:29:30 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 06, 2009, 05:29:30 AM
Laz Alonso talks James Cameron's AVATAR.... Trilogy?? :o
Quote"To have the opportunity to be a part of this trilogy is the biggest gift I could have."
QuoteMy dream was to be in Star Wars and, unfortunately, I wasn't big enough in my career at the time that Star Wars was casting and getting characters. To have the opportunity to be a part of this trilogy is the biggest gift I could have. Star Wars was the revolutionary sci-fi movie for the generation when I was a kid, growing up. And, I believe in my heart that Avatar is going to be the revolutionary sci-fi movie for this generation, in this era. I am always the guy who doesn't like to oversell because, in this business, you can get so excited about something and, if it doesn't pan out, you have egg on your face. But, this is one movie that I feel very, very confident selling, standing at the top of a mountain and screaming at the top of my lungs how great this movie is because I've seen it with my own two eyes.http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/11483/tcid/1
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 06, 2009, 05:40:00 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 06, 2009, 05:40:00 AM
Been rumors of a trilogy for a while now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 06, 2009, 07:52:13 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 06, 2009, 07:52:13 AM
I absolutely had no idea of that. BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 06, 2009, 04:36:10 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 06, 2009, 04:36:10 PM
David Fincher loves AVATAR, and his next project will be epic 3D sci-fi?
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-fincher-visits-avatar-set-to.html
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-fincher-visits-avatar-set-to.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 06, 2009, 04:36:10 PMAnd where exactly does it say that he loves Avatar?
David Fincher loves AVATAR, and his next project will be epic 3D sci-fi?
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-fincher-visits-avatar-set-to.html
It says that he dropped by the set along with Ridley scott, thats about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 06, 2009, 06:53:31 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 06, 2009, 06:53:31 PM
Quoteproject will be epic 3D sci-fi?
Rendezvous with Rama ;D? I think this movie is so eye drooping that no words can say why and I think it will be win best picture then break The Dark Knight box office recored.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2009, 06:05:02 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2009, 06:05:02 AM
Our First Look at The World of Avatar and It Looks... Quite Like Aliens :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashfilm.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fimages%2Favatar_screen-440x308.jpg&hash=9303aab69d4ae524b7fb3bed51922ec322865fed)
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/25/our-first-look-at-the-world-of-avatar-and-it-looks-quite-like-aliens/
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashfilm.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fimages%2Favatar_screen-440x308.jpg&hash=9303aab69d4ae524b7fb3bed51922ec322865fed)
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/25/our-first-look-at-the-world-of-avatar-and-it-looks-quite-like-aliens/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 09:01:58 AM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 09:01:58 AM
Can someone post the whole scans? (with the articles) not only images? Please! I'm in Bulgaria and i can't buy the magazine so i can read it only from scans.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: McNutty on Apr 26, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Post by: McNutty on Apr 26, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Here you go http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/james-camerons-avatar-set-photo-scans.html
Does remind me of Aliens, just needs some blue and red filters now.
Does remind me of Aliens, just needs some blue and red filters now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Apr 26, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Apr 26, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: McNutty on Apr 26, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Does remind me of Aliens, just needs some blue and red filters now.
I agree :)
From those pics It does have an "Aliens Colonial Marines feel"
I just hope its a good story with great characters! 8) I would so like to have something fresh to say..."Wow...weren't you blown away when this happened"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 26, 2009, 03:56:41 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 26, 2009, 03:56:41 PM
With the bold statements Cameron's making about his new technology, it should be nothing short of orgasmic. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: McNutty on Apr 26, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Here you go http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/james-camerons-avatar-set-photo-scans.html
Does remind me of Aliens, just needs some blue and red filters now.
No, no i mean the who pages with all the interviews so i can read it. someone find them please post the here. I relay want to read about it. I just find the Lovely Bones scans and read it and it was amazing so please of you find the whole scans...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Here you go:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99274/DOC003-PDF.html
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99275/DOC004-PDF.html
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99274/DOC003-PDF.html
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99275/DOC004-PDF.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Here you go:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99274/DOC003-PDF.html
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/99275/DOC004-PDF.html
Thanks a lot!!! If you find it on color post it please ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2009, 04:22:16 PM
Any idea how to covert the pdf in to jpg?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 26, 2009, 05:10:31 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 26, 2009, 05:10:31 PM
Avatar is going to be the new Matrix without a doubt.
Maybe because the movie is amazing that no words can say why ;D ;).
QuoteAnd where exactly does it say that he loves Avatar?
It says that he dropped by the set along with Ridley scott, thats about it.
Maybe because the movie is amazing that no words can say why ;D ;).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
Well, I'm just gonna wait and see what Mr hawk nose can pull off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
So correct me if I'm wrong M. Night Shyamalan is making a film also called Avatar, based on the Last Airbender? Why in all sanity is he calling it "Avatar" when Cameron's will just shove his into the dark?! Why?!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 10:33:14 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 10:33:14 AM
Wrong.
MNS- making The Last Airbender. That's the title.
MNS- making The Last Airbender. That's the title.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 11:14:28 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 10:33:14 AM
Wrong.
MNS- making The Last Airbender. That's the title.
I know I shouldn't believe stuff I hear off then et but look at this article, http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/24/predators-gets-july-2010-release-date/
Read the MNS bit...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
It's not having Avatar in the title, far as I know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 12:22:47 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 27, 2009, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 27, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
It's not having Avatar in the title, far as I know.
I hope to god not, I read on IMDB that it's called The Last Airbender, so that site I linked is wrong:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 27, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 27, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Someone have the pics in HD?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2009, 06:31:39 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2009, 06:31:39 PM
Wow, those scans get me pretty stoked. Can't wait to see more, thanks for posting them up!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 29, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Apr 29, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
Exclusive: Soderbergh Gives Avatar High Praise
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=54966
"I've seen some stuff and holy sh*t. It's the craziest sh*t ever. That could negate everything I just said," he told us.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=54966
"I've seen some stuff and holy sh*t. It's the craziest sh*t ever. That could negate everything I just said," he told us.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 29, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 29, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
All that was needed for people to lose their shit was just to mention..."James Cameron making new movie"...that's it, the man doesn't need to shwo anything to prove himself. It's GOD making a damn movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 29, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 29, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
Any news on those scans? Is there HQ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
This movie is too amazing for words which is why the only thing people have said about the movie that is amazing. Their better be a trailer with T4 or X-Men orgins.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 29, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 29, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Apr 29, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
This movie is too amazing for words which is why the only thing people have said about the movie that is amazing. Their better be a trailer with T4 or X-Men orgins.
Fox confirmed that there wont be a trailer with X-Men. If we have luck it will be with T4 but i still thing the first trailer will be out with Transformers.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 29, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 29, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
The smart thing to do would be put it with T4. Most of the audience there will remember he did Terminators 1 and 2.. This would let his "casual" fanbase know he's doing a new movie.
Only problem is that T4 isn't in 3D, so portraying a revolutionary 3d tech on a 2d screen is kinda assinine. However, it didn't stop Blu-Ray commercials being aired on SDTV sets. ;)
Only problem is that T4 isn't in 3D, so portraying a revolutionary 3d tech on a 2d screen is kinda assinine. However, it didn't stop Blu-Ray commercials being aired on SDTV sets. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 10:06:01 AM
Sigourney Weaver: James Cameron is a Genius
http://www.filmgecko.com/sigourney-weaver-james-cameron-is-a-genius/
Sigourney talks Avatar. Great video interview.
http://www.filmgecko.com/sigourney-weaver-james-cameron-is-a-genius/
Sigourney talks Avatar. Great video interview.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 02, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 02, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 10:06:01 AM
Sigourney Weaver: James Cameron is a Genius
http://www.filmgecko.com/sigourney-weaver-james-cameron-is-a-genius/
Sigourney talks Avatar. Great video interview.
I have the feeling that the woman sitting next to sigourney just wants to crawl in sigourneys ass, she comes across so unnatural in the interview.
Sigourney: "But its in 3D"
Woman: "Ohh that's fantastic!"... i was waiting for her to say "Now take of your panites bitch!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 05:00:15 PM
New Avatar Picture
Giovanni Ribisi plays golf
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/quick-post-giovanni-ribisi-plays-golf.html
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Giovanni Ribisi plays golf
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/quick-post-giovanni-ribisi-plays-golf.html
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkepfeltoltes.hu%2F090502%2FScreenHunter_03_May._02_09.29_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg&hash=23962c1301195208868d9ea0c40e772555861205)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
I think everyone who saw the movie can't say about the characters and story since it was too mind blowing. I wish the movie still cameout in May :'(.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 02, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 02, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 05:00:15 PMWOW, f**king ASTONISHING!!! :o
New Avatar Picture
Giovanni Ribisi plays golf
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/quick-post-giovanni-ribisi-plays-golf.html
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090502/ScreenHunter_03_May._02_09.29_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
This will rule.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 05:25:13 PM
Post by: Darkoo on May 02, 2009, 05:25:13 PM
Cool pics, ya ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on May 02, 2009, 08:29:26 PM
Post by: vortep on May 02, 2009, 08:29:26 PM
Please, can someone post some HQ scans? I mean HQ!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 06:59:37 AM
Post by: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 06:59:37 AM
http://joblow.com/avatar-hearts-imax
Avatar looks to be getting an 11 week contract with IMAX,. This will be the longest run any movie has have on the gigantoscreen. The Dark Knight has the record now with 10 weeks.
Avatar looks to be getting an 11 week contract with IMAX,. This will be the longest run any movie has have on the gigantoscreen. The Dark Knight has the record now with 10 weeks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 20, 2009, 06:09:43 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 20, 2009, 06:09:43 PM
Make it 15 weeks if gets best picture ;).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 20, 2009, 07:00:26 PM
Post by: Darkoo on May 20, 2009, 07:00:26 PM
AVATAR Trailer on Transformers 2?
QuoteThe trailer for James Cameron's Avatar might be attached to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. This according to MarketSaw's two trusted sources. It certainly makes sense that Fox would like to get the trailer on the big screen in front as many people as possible, but I'm surprised that Cameron would be okay with the trailer not being projected in 3D. There isn't a 3D release before the end of the year that Avatar would be a good fit for, and Transformers four-quadrant sci-fi audience is a perfect match.http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/20/avatar-trailer-on-transformers-2/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
Post by: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 21, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 21, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
That is good news, but I would still like the trailer to be in 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 21, 2009, 02:33:27 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 21, 2009, 02:33:27 AM
So not trailer wtih Terminator 4?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on May 21, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on May 21, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
Quote from: Kaworu on May 21, 2009, 02:33:27 AM
So not trailer wtih Terminator 4?
We would have heard about it already if there was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on May 21, 2009, 06:25:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous684 on May 21, 2009, 06:25:16 AM
no there was not!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on May 21, 2009, 07:48:59 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on May 21, 2009, 07:48:59 AM
Its been debunked that trailer.
It's a fake.
Jim said so himself...
i think so anyway.
It's a fake.
Jim said so himself...
i think so anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Awgustas on May 22, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Post by: Awgustas on May 22, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Can't wait for this film! BTW, how long it's been in production?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on May 22, 2009, 07:43:12 PM
Post by: vortep on May 22, 2009, 07:43:12 PM
Quote from: Awgustas on May 22, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Can't wait for this film! BTW, how long it's been in production?
Started in 1995, officiay is going on 5 years now
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 26, 2009, 05:24:34 AM
Post by: Darkoo on May 26, 2009, 05:24:34 AM
AVATAR Powersuit Spy Shot
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg188.imageshack.us%2Fimg188%2F1646%2Fscreenhunter01may250900.jpg&hash=4522a1496ef78641ae43bb0cca90564d9aa1493d)
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/exclusive-first-look-avatar-heavy.html
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http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/exclusive-first-look-avatar-heavy.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 26, 2009, 06:21:42 AM
Post by: Undeadite on May 26, 2009, 06:21:42 AM
Oh damn! I wish we had a full pick, not just a weird crotch angle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 26, 2009, 08:44:06 AM
Post by: SiL on May 26, 2009, 08:44:06 AM
I thought the CGI was supposed to be ultra-realistic?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on May 26, 2009, 09:29:15 AM
Post by: vortep on May 26, 2009, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 26, 2009, 08:44:06 AM
I thought the CGI was supposed to be ultra-realistic?
Yeah, so? What's that have with the pic of the suit?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 26, 2009, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Undeadite on May 26, 2009, 04:53:00 PM
I dont think that is CG, just a poor quality photo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 26, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 26, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
Yeah, lets go ahead and start critiquing the movie's effects quality based on a "spy shot". :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on May 26, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on May 26, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
I dont know if you guys are joking or not, but the powersuit is NOT CGI. This is an actual giant prop. Im very happy to know this so early on, Im glad Cameron isnt going the easy road by inserting cartoons into a real movie but is actually BUILDING the things
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 26, 2009, 06:19:30 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 26, 2009, 06:19:30 PM
I can't wait for this movie now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 26, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 26, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
Hopefully that shot is legit. Can't wait to see that thing in action.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 26, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
Post by: SiL on May 26, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Cellien on May 26, 2009, 05:08:16 PMDoesn't matter, I was wrong anyway.
Yeah, lets go ahead and start critiquing the movie's effects quality based on a "spy shot". :-\
But I guess it's alright to start drooling over the effects and how "awesome" the film wil be with absolutely no evidence? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 26, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 26, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 26, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
But I guess it's alright to start drooling over the effects and how "awesome" the film wil be with absolutely no evidence? :P
Of course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 27, 2009, 02:50:32 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 27, 2009, 02:50:32 AM
You have a point Sil... but c'mon! It's not fair to critque spy (unofficial) photos, but drooling over them is obligatory! :P Still, I think it looks realistic...CG or not (I can't tell if it's real or not).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on May 27, 2009, 03:03:13 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on May 27, 2009, 03:03:13 AM
Dam this movie is coming out at the end of this year and all we got were two things so far, jack and sh-t and jack left town :-\
Dam! Talk about water tight, down low, shadey news on Avatar. Someone doesn't want us to see nuttin.
Dam! Talk about water tight, down low, shadey news on Avatar. Someone doesn't want us to see nuttin.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 27, 2009, 04:37:43 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on May 27, 2009, 04:37:43 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 27, 2009, 03:03:13 AMTom Rothman said that there will be stuff about Avatar on Comic-con, most likely footage as he said "If you want to see some things about the movie that is going to change the way we see movies, then yeah, i would show up at comic-con"
Dam this movie is coming out at the end of this year and all we got were two things so far, jack and sh-t and jack left town :-\
Dam! Talk about water tight, down low, shadey news on Avatar. Someone doesn't want us to see nuttin.
Or something along those lines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 28, 2009, 02:53:16 PM
Post by: Darkoo on May 28, 2009, 02:53:16 PM
Avatar Concept art
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/want-to-see-what-whole-power-suit-might.html
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/want-to-see-what-whole-power-suit-might.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on May 28, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
Post by: vortep on May 28, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
Look's sweet!
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 28, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on May 28, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
Liking what we're seeing.
Also noticed the dude riding on the pterodactly thing in the background.
Maybe Cameron could deliver us our first mechwarrior/battletech movie? ;D
Also noticed the dude riding on the pterodactly thing in the background.
Maybe Cameron could deliver us our first mechwarrior/battletech movie? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on May 29, 2009, 04:38:47 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on May 29, 2009, 04:38:47 AM
I say that probably goes into production before he gets a chance too. They are already working on Robotech. Somebody will see Battletech and think, "giant action robots are the way to go," and Battletech will be made.
Plus he's already working on Battle Angel Alita.
Plus he's already working on Battle Angel Alita.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 29, 2009, 06:11:00 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 29, 2009, 06:11:00 AM
It would be awesome if he did a live action TTGL movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on May 31, 2009, 03:41:32 PM
Post by: Darkoo on May 31, 2009, 03:41:32 PM
I like the design.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on May 31, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on May 31, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
Im pretty confident we will get the teaser trailer by the end of June or in early July
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 02, 2009, 02:09:28 AM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 02, 2009, 02:09:28 AM
The game site has been launched with preorder info and screenshots
news: http://www.jamescamerononline.com/
gamesite: http://avatargame.us.ubi.com/
news: http://www.jamescamerononline.com/
gamesite: http://avatargame.us.ubi.com/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 02, 2009, 03:38:03 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 02, 2009, 03:38:03 AM
The security forces dont look that bad from this distance. Not sure of the mech design though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 03, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 03, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
new video interview from IGN and the transcript of the storyline Jim gave at the conference in the news page - http://www.jamescamerononline.com/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 05, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 05, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
"Avatar" is Over 3 Hours Long
According to FilmCrewShirts, the runtime of the upcoming James Cameron movie "Avatar" is 3 hours and 9 minutes. :o
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=13762&count=0
According to FilmCrewShirts, the runtime of the upcoming James Cameron movie "Avatar" is 3 hours and 9 minutes. :o
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=13762&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 05, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 05, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
Well, its still shorter than Titanic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 05, 2009, 05:59:28 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 05, 2009, 05:59:28 PM
Awesome three hours long! This might be the first scfi movie to win best picture! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 06, 2009, 07:41:59 PM
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 06, 2009, 07:41:59 PM
This movie looks absolutely awesome. and I haven't even seen a picture of the actual movie yet. Just the game. Thats how excited I am.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 07, 2009, 01:59:40 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 07, 2009, 01:59:40 AM
QuoteThis movie looks absolutely awesome. and I haven't even seen a picture of the actual movie yet.Sounds very logical.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 07, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 07, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
It James Cameron, he does not did one bad movie critical speaking since his first movie did not count since he only direct a half of it. I will not be surprise if this movie makes more then The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 07, 2009, 02:46:47 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 07, 2009, 02:46:47 AM
QuoteI will not be surprise if this movie makes more then The Dark Knight.Maybe, that doesn't mean it will be a good movie though.
There are classic movies out there that just bombed miserably, and bad movies that made a shitload of money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Jun 07, 2009, 06:34:55 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Jun 07, 2009, 06:34:55 PM
I doubt this will come close to touching 'The Dark Knight'. I mean it's positioned very well with a 12/19 opening but 'The Dark Knight' was... i don't know - i was really shocked by that one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Jun 07, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Post by: Aeus on Jun 07, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Kaworu on Jun 07, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
It James Cameron, he does not did one bad movie critical speaking since his first movie did not count since he only direct a half of it. I will not be surprise if this movie makes more then The Dark Knight.
Mother of God...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Jun 07, 2009, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jun 07, 2009, 11:32:26 PM
Lol^
I think I must be one of the only people on the internet who doesn't care about this film.
I think I must be one of the only people on the internet who doesn't care about this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 01:41:36 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 01:41:36 AM
I like Terminator, Aliens, and Strange Days from Jimmy all pretty well (rating Termie the highest), and find the rest of his movies okay.
I have a passing interest. Doubt I'll go see it opening day, to avoid the kiddies.
I have a passing interest. Doubt I'll go see it opening day, to avoid the kiddies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 08, 2009, 01:54:25 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 08, 2009, 01:54:25 AM
I still feel Titanic was a downright bad movie, but I have a high esteem for Cameron's films. I think the only ones that he's directed which I haven't seen are Piranha 2: The Spawning and The Abyss. What I have seen vary between "good" and "fantastic."
This seems like it could be great, but the scriptment sounded a little weak and it's taking way too long for footage to show up. I understand why he'd want to hold back on incomplete footage, but there has to be enough by now to show a trailer with finalized CGI. I have my fingers crossed that we'll see the teaser trailer in front of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
This seems like it could be great, but the scriptment sounded a little weak and it's taking way too long for footage to show up. I understand why he'd want to hold back on incomplete footage, but there has to be enough by now to show a trailer with finalized CGI. I have my fingers crossed that we'll see the teaser trailer in front of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:00:45 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:00:45 AM
I didn't mind titanic. To me its only fault was it felt intentionally grandiose. Which shouldn't be a complaint because the titanic itself was intentionally grandiose. I just found everybody's accents, and their actions a little put on for my liking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 08, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 08, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
I couldn't stand the romance. It felt overwrought and hammy, which underscored the actual tragedy. It could have been more about the hubris behind the "unsinkable ship" than it was about Leo DiCaprio scoring himself some tail. But then again, I doubt many would remember it if Cameron took that approach.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:42:12 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:42:12 AM
It was hammy. But most romances are. So I forgave it for that, and that the disaster portions of the movie were pretty good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 08, 2009, 03:30:34 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 08, 2009, 03:30:34 AM
I like Aliens, both Terminators, and the Abyss. His other movies are decent, but those movies impress me every time I watch them. Based on the fact that it seems his sci-fi is right up my alley, I'm looking forward to Avatar. The 3-D tech is a cherry on top. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 03:52:33 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 03:52:33 AM
I like the Abyss only for Biehn's character. He kicked ass in that movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 08, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 08, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
I never liked Biehn in The Abyss. He plays such a good lunatic that I find it hard to appreciate his performance when I want nothing more than to drown him in the airlock. I have the same feeling for Burke in Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
I appreciate a good lunatic or two. Biehn had it nailed in that one. Of course it was really the enviroment that threw him out of whack and made him believe he must carry out his mission against the aliens, you can see the realization on his face that he messed up right before his sub implodes from the pressure.
I like it because he wasn't evil, just conflicted.
I like it because he wasn't evil, just conflicted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 09, 2009, 03:47:05 AM
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 09, 2009, 03:47:05 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 01:41:36 AMSomething tells me the movie will be R.
I like Terminator, Aliens, and Strange Days from Jimmy all pretty well (rating Termie the highest), and find the rest of his movies okay.
I have a passing interest. Doubt I'll go see it opening day, to avoid the kiddies.
But, somehow, little kids went to see Watchmen....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 03:49:25 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 03:49:25 AM
To me anybody under twenty one is a kid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 09, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 09, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
I'm torn whether to see this at the huge IMAX or at the Alamo Drafthouse where they have the rare 4k digital 3d projectors.
Also, Drafthouse has the most strict talking/noise policy I've ever seen...but IMAX...BIG SCREEN.
Also, Drafthouse has the most strict talking/noise policy I've ever seen...but IMAX...BIG SCREEN.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
I live in a town of 33,000 people. Our theater is not very well managed and the nearest imax that I know about is in Nashville, Tn.
I'll let it burn some before I go and see it. I cant stand talkers in theaters.
I'll let it burn some before I go and see it. I cant stand talkers in theaters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 09, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 09, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
Yeah, I saw Terminator Salvation in a small town and the theater SUCKED. I live right outside of Austin, and also work there so it's not too far of a drive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 10, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 10, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
I'm really looking forward to this. I just pray the hype doesn't kill it. Sounds like a classic Cameron film so it should be top notch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 10, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 10, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
I think theyre trying to create a new Star Wars type of a thing, meaning the entire new detailed and carefully worked up universe with creatures, ecosystem, story etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Jun 17, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Jun 17, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
I'm shocked I was reply #10 nearly 2 years ago, and I had been following the film since at least late 06 and early 07...we've come a long way, and still have quite a while to go before the release of the film.
The trailer should be just around the corner though...
The trailer should be just around the corner though...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 02:14:09 AM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 02:14:09 AM
Rumors say July. Fox hasnt denied it (yet)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 18, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 18, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
New screens from the game.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=56410
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew1.jpg&hash=0ffd61137f5723e2c0ffd82c0af311d40ffa9c3c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew2.jpg&hash=93d2a91a2a6f5df6ad9d7a58f2a7f2eb07dfe70f)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew3.jpg&hash=35a9d3378f6717d1efa017b872c3caf149441baf)
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=56410
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew1.jpg&hash=0ffd61137f5723e2c0ffd82c0af311d40ffa9c3c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew2.jpg&hash=93d2a91a2a6f5df6ad9d7a58f2a7f2eb07dfe70f)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Favatarnew3.jpg&hash=35a9d3378f6717d1efa017b872c3caf149441baf)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jun 18, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jun 18, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. We're getting our first look at the game instead of the goddamn movie!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 18, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 18, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
For some reason the pictures aren't showing up for me in the forum anymore, so just hit the link if they aren't working for you.
What's crazy is that I'm pretty sure I heard this game is supposed to be stereoscopic 3d. I have no idea how they plan to achieve that well w/out different hardware (3D TVs, etc). Hopefully not the blue/red lens treatment. :\
EDIT: Oh maybe you do need a new TV...
http://www.pr-inside.com/ubisoft-supports-the-sensio-r-3d-format-r1293000.htm
"To benefit from this stereoscopic experience, as seen at E3, players of the James Cameron's Avatar: The Game can connect their existing game consoles directly to 3D-enabled TV's with built-in SENSIO® 3D decoding technology. "
That sucks.
What's crazy is that I'm pretty sure I heard this game is supposed to be stereoscopic 3d. I have no idea how they plan to achieve that well w/out different hardware (3D TVs, etc). Hopefully not the blue/red lens treatment. :\
EDIT: Oh maybe you do need a new TV...
http://www.pr-inside.com/ubisoft-supports-the-sensio-r-3d-format-r1293000.htm
"To benefit from this stereoscopic experience, as seen at E3, players of the James Cameron's Avatar: The Game can connect their existing game consoles directly to 3D-enabled TV's with built-in SENSIO® 3D decoding technology. "
That sucks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 18, 2009, 05:16:08 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jun 18, 2009, 05:16:08 PM
The game already looks amazing and I think the movie will too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
the reason why we see so much from the game is that itll look very different than the movie. they have theiri own designs, not used in the movie and completeyl different storyline, so seeing those screenshots equals to no spoilers at all
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
Wrong, and not only wrong but, several weapons designs were directly incorporated FROM the game, particularly on the Na'Vi side.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
Wrong, and not only wrong but, several weapons designs were directly incorporated FROM the game, particularly on the Na'Vi side.
No, youre wrong. I didnt say the game will have no designs from the movie at all. I said whats been shown so far are original designs. Both Cameron and Landau especially said that they can release all the game stuff because what they released so far are the original designs from the game. Designs from the movie had not been shown yet in any of the game screens (with the exception of Powersuit and CHopper, but both were already revealed before the game). And the story of the game takes place two years before the movie. No Na'vi or actual creatures from the movie had been shown yet. The car revealed earlier is also game-only
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 08:34:08 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 08:34:08 PM
Nope. Cameron already said so in the interview with Viacom's/GT Geoff Keighley.
You'll get both new and old, and there was cross fertilization between both teams in incorporating gear and particularly weapons.
He said it again at e3.
You'll get both new and old, and there was cross fertilization between both teams in incorporating gear and particularly weapons.
He said it again at e3.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 08:42:46 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 18, 2009, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 18, 2009, 08:34:08 PM
Nope. Cameron already said so in the interview with Viacom's/GT Geoff Keighley.
You'll get both new and old, and there was cross fertilization between both teams in incorporating gear and particularly weapons.
He said it again at e3.
I know, I have ALL of the interviews he did for the game, on video and printed, and posted 90% of them. And youre right , I agree with you. But what Im saying is that what were getting in the so far released material, like the screenshots, is not spoilerish in any way. The two things from the actual movie were already released before the game released any info or screenshots. Thats why theyre holding the demo and why there was such a huge security checking everyone at E3 by Avatar demo booth. They dont want anyone to see Na'vi yet
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jun 23, 2009, 06:01:35 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jun 23, 2009, 06:01:35 AM
There are reports of extended clips playing at Cinexpo today.
So keep your eyes open.
So keep your eyes open.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 23, 2009, 06:17:01 AM
Post by: Maxyboy on Jun 23, 2009, 06:17:01 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 18, 2009, 04:55:45 PMThats the point man, it's the suspense.
Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. We're getting our first look at the game instead of the goddamn movie!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jun 23, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jun 23, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jun 23, 2009, 06:01:35 AM
There are reports of extended clips playing at Cinexpo today.
So keep your eyes open.
From the film or the game?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jun 23, 2009, 11:48:54 AM
Post by: vortep on Jun 23, 2009, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Jun 23, 2009, 09:12:46 AMQuote from: CELTICPRED on Jun 23, 2009, 06:01:35 AM
There are reports of extended clips playing at Cinexpo today.
So keep your eyes open.
From the film or the game?
Film. There are rumors they will be online tomorrow on HD
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jun 23, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jun 23, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
Well that's cool, first i've heard of the rumors lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jun 23, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jun 23, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
Not to be confused with this newly released trailer.... :D
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56500
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56500
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jun 23, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jun 23, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
Get on with it already! I want to see SOMETHING!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 23, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 23, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
QuoteMichael here. I have confirmation that 3 full scenes from Avatar were shown at Fox's presentation today at Cinema Expo.http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/avatar-scenes-shown-at-cinema-expo.html
-Multiple sources are saying that Cameron and all the lead actors were there.
-According to a friend of firstshowing.net webmaster Alex Billington, Cameron told the crowd that "3D is here and here to stay."
-Alex: He kept teling me that it's "truly unlike anything you've ever seen." First public(ish) showing of Avatar footage seems to be amaazing.
-Follow Alex's Twitter updates here: http://twitter.com/firstshowing
-MarketSaw reader clogwyn writes: "Friend of mine is at Cine Expo - he just called me.
They showed loads of Avatar footage.... he said it was unbelievable. I will try to find out more tomorrow."
Aaaah Cameron you are the best!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 23, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 23, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
What's taking so long? I mean, didn't Sam Worthington started shooting Terminator Salvation after his work on Avatar? Terminator was released about a month ago, so what's the deal? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 23, 2009, 08:36:55 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 23, 2009, 08:36:55 PM
QuoteWhat's taking so long?The CG effects, which, according to Cameron and sources, are meant to be super duper realistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jun 23, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jun 23, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
So much so that you can't even tell if the aliens are fake or not. Which is kinda ridiuclous in the fact that we have no extraterrestrial actors.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 24, 2009, 05:11:42 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jun 24, 2009, 05:11:42 AM
James Cameron Shows Twenty-Four Minutes Of AVATAR!!!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41510
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41510
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2009, 05:14:29 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2009, 05:14:29 AM
Visually it looks kickass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2009, 08:23:12 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jun 24, 2009, 08:23:12 AM
I just had a bigger emotional response from these 2 pics than from all of Transformers 2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jun 24, 2009, 08:29:03 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jun 24, 2009, 08:29:03 AM
Nice pics!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jun 24, 2009, 08:44:26 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jun 24, 2009, 08:44:26 AM
pretty
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 24, 2009, 10:11:40 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jun 24, 2009, 10:11:40 AM
The concept art is good, but just reading descriptions of the footage is enough for me to squirm in my seat. I really wanna see what this actual film looks like now. Waiting 'til Comic-Con is going to be a chore.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
I should say the concept art looks good. The top one looks like a cgi screenshot.
That artist is pretty solid.
That artist is pretty solid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 01, 2009, 08:46:40 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 01, 2009, 08:46:40 PM
Avatar Comic-Con Banner Revealed!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=56824
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=56824
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
That's all I need to see, Cameron has bought my soul already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 01, 2009, 11:06:24 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 01, 2009, 11:06:24 PM
Where was the trailer that cameout with TF2? When I saw the movie last friday, their was no trailer at other then a trailer for the new Harry Potter movie, 2012, Halloween 2, GI Joe, and The Last Airbender.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 01, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 01, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
heres a better quality pic of the first poster
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamescamerononline.com%2Favatarofficialposter.jpg&hash=ac8986970c8d85e65a549b6fb4470292a2b2118a)
As for the trailer, its been denied a looong time ago by Fox that the rumor about the teaser peremiering with TF2 was just that - a rumor. The trailer will premiere in late August
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamescamerononline.com%2Favatarofficialposter.jpg&hash=ac8986970c8d85e65a549b6fb4470292a2b2118a)
As for the trailer, its been denied a looong time ago by Fox that the rumor about the teaser peremiering with TF2 was just that - a rumor. The trailer will premiere in late August
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 22, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 22, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
Comic Con AVATAR Toys
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9910/hrcomiccon2009122.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/599/hrcomiccon2009123.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3937/hrcomiccon2009124.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/460/hrcomiccon2009125.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9910/hrcomiccon2009122.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/599/hrcomiccon2009123.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3937/hrcomiccon2009124.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/460/hrcomiccon2009125.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 22, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 22, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
WOW! Those look great. Can't wait for a trailer!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 22, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 22, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
The little yellow wheelchair makes me LOL when it's next to the awesome vehicles.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Jul 23, 2009, 01:30:36 AM
Post by: amv79 on Jul 23, 2009, 01:30:36 AM
hmmmmm.... ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 03:06:42 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 03:06:42 AM
Pretty awesome!
Some great sci-fi this year. MOON, District 9, Avatar, Star Trek, T4.. ;D
Some great sci-fi this year. MOON, District 9, Avatar, Star Trek, T4.. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Jul 23, 2009, 03:10:20 AM
Post by: amv79 on Jul 23, 2009, 03:10:20 AM
this one will be the best ;)
thats what I think :-[
thats what I think :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 03:12:48 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 03:12:48 AM
We all have our opinions... but I tend to agree with that sentiment! :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 10:08:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 10:08:37 AM
...why?
Seriously, besides looking pretty, what does this have over anything else?
I simply cannot comprehend the sheer ass-kissing this film is receiving before we even have a trailer. We get a poster of an alien face and someone says Cameron's bought his soul. What the heck? Everywhere I look, here and elsewhere, it's people singing this film's praises without a frame being released!
Please, someone explain to me why this film is going to be so fan-f**king-tastic, I really want to know.
Seriously, besides looking pretty, what does this have over anything else?
I simply cannot comprehend the sheer ass-kissing this film is receiving before we even have a trailer. We get a poster of an alien face and someone says Cameron's bought his soul. What the heck? Everywhere I look, here and elsewhere, it's people singing this film's praises without a frame being released!
Please, someone explain to me why this film is going to be so fan-f**king-tastic, I really want to know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 23, 2009, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 23, 2009, 10:26:42 AM
Well........um.......b-because.....um.....James Cameron is directing it SO IT MUST BE SUPER MEGA AWEZOME!!!!1!111!1
.............not.
.............not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Jul 23, 2009, 10:27:43 AM
Post by: bobby brown on Jul 23, 2009, 10:27:43 AM
Becuse (atleast seems like ATM) that cameron have established an realy awsome and intresting universe.
We like realisticly portrated alien ecosystems and cool 3 meter tall alien humanoids ;D its not its like the second coming, but from what we heard WE LIKE!
A LOT!
and since it might be the most expensive movie ever....that dosent hurt eather ;D
We like realisticly portrated alien ecosystems and cool 3 meter tall alien humanoids ;D its not its like the second coming, but from what we heard WE LIKE!
A LOT!
and since it might be the most expensive movie ever....that dosent hurt eather ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Jul 23, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Post by: bobby brown on Jul 23, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jul 22, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
Comic Con AVATAR Toys
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9910/hrcomiccon2009122.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/599/hrcomiccon2009123.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3937/hrcomiccon2009124.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/460/hrcomiccon2009125.jpg
youre awsome :D thanks for posting.
been waiting for these pictures a long time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jul 23, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Jul 23, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
I don't think this one have been posted before:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F1660%2Fcomiccon2009121.jpg&hash=459e0c7330e96ce046e9124dd435f583d07990bc)
Larger version: http://www.superherohype.com/gallery/Comic-Con/Comic-Con_2009/hr_Comic-Con_2009_121.jpg
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Larger version: http://www.superherohype.com/gallery/Comic-Con/Comic-Con_2009/hr_Comic-Con_2009_121.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 23, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 23, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
Sigourney!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.empireonline.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2Ftemp%2Fsigourney-weaver-avatar-toy.jpg&hash=a2bf83a87946bedc73786560771bd92102c0b376)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.empireonline.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2Ftemp%2Fsigourney-weaver-avatar-toy.jpg&hash=a2bf83a87946bedc73786560771bd92102c0b376)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 23, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 23, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
Col. Quaritch 8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.empireonline.com%2Fimages%2Fimage_index%2Fhw800%2F35109.jpg&hash=c9b601f018a500b82471ad99c91e9d59f2f4e450)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 23, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 23, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
I hope Sigourney gets to ride that! It will be a nice nod to the Power Loader in Aliens.
It looks like a cross between the Power Loader and a Harvester from Terminator Salvation.
It looks like a cross between the Power Loader and a Harvester from Terminator Salvation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: out-at-night-mostly on Jul 23, 2009, 01:49:32 PM
Post by: out-at-night-mostly on Jul 23, 2009, 01:49:32 PM
i saw some shots from the upcoming movie based game (which Cameron himself promised to made as good as possible to stop the endless cycle of shit movie release), It is indeed breath taking and an amazing take into an alien world.
Other then that looking forward to it.
Other then that looking forward to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 23, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 10:08:37 AM
...why?
Seriously, besides looking pretty, what does this have over anything else?
I simply cannot comprehend the sheer ass-kissing this film is receiving before we even have a trailer. We get a poster of an alien face and someone says Cameron's bought his soul. What the heck? Everywhere I look, here and elsewhere, it's people singing this film's praises without a frame being released!
Please, someone explain to me why this film is going to be so fan-f**king-tastic, I really want to know.
What's wrong with being excited about a "pretty looking" movie made from one the biggest pioneers in special effects that also has created some of the best sci-fi action films? A lot of sci-fi fans like Cameron's work, so I don't understand why you are so dumbfounded, honestly. If you don't like Cameron movies though, that would explain it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
I'm not talking about looking forward to it, I'm talking about the sheer ass-kissing it's getting without anyone knowing anything about it. There's a huge difference.
If it was just people saying "Oh boy this looks good", I'd have no problem. But it's beyond that in a lot of places. People saying it'll be the greatest thing ever, best movie of the year, best ever made, blah blah blah.
We get half a face of something and people cream themselves, and all we know is that it's going to look pretty.
If it was just people saying "Oh boy this looks good", I'd have no problem. But it's beyond that in a lot of places. People saying it'll be the greatest thing ever, best movie of the year, best ever made, blah blah blah.
We get half a face of something and people cream themselves, and all we know is that it's going to look pretty.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
IT'S JAMES CAMERON!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 09:40:51 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 09:40:51 PM
Okay. And?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 09:50:43 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:38:03 PMYou're right, he really is!
IT'S JAMES CAMERON!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhaal9000.com%2Fdvd2002-3%2Fcoming%2Fpiranha-2.jpg&hash=61d530d1de1ed9afedb24270293920a333e3bbe1)
Ohh wait, thats not Avatar, sry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:54:48 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:54:48 PM
ONE bad movie means nothing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 09:55:34 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 09:55:34 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:54:48 PMYou know what they say, Cameron's movies never get old ;)
ONE bad movie means nothing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 23, 2009, 09:54:48 PMHow about his consistently ass pacing? The Terminator is the only movie of his where I don't notice everything come to a screeching halt during the second act. It's why I don't watch Aliens or T2 very often, and pretty much just skip through half an hour of True Lies consistently.
ONE bad movie means nothing!
How about his endless cardboard cutout characters? The fact he only knows how to write one female lead character? His constant ripping off of other people's work?
Sometimes these elements work really well together and aren't a bad thing. Other times they slap you in the face and laugh at you while you're wondering why 200 million dollars were spent on special effects seemingly without a care for the script.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 10:16:45 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 23, 2009, 10:16:45 PM
Nah, Cameron and bad pacing?
That's called super dooper character development!!
That's called super dooper character development!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
What is the bashing? The guy has made all great movies critcly speaking and his first movie does not even count since he only direct half of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Jul 23, 2009, 11:23:54 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jul 23, 2009, 11:23:54 PM
Because if the critics like it then it has to be good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27:08 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27:08 PM
General speaking then the movie is offen to be call good or great. Like Battlefield Earth is one the worst movies critcly speaking and a lot of people would argee.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
HOLY SHIT
Cameron is taking over IMAX and 3D screens all over the country on August 21st for the Premiere of the Avatar trailer, and footage.
See 14 minutes for FREE!!!
f**king awesome. Going to go reserve some tickets tomorrow.
Cameron is taking over IMAX and 3D screens all over the country on August 21st for the Premiere of the Avatar trailer, and footage.
See 14 minutes for FREE!!!
f**king awesome. Going to go reserve some tickets tomorrow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:56:12 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 23, 2009, 11:56:12 PM
I must see this for sure!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 24, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 24, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 23, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
I'm not talking about looking forward to it, I'm talking about the sheer ass-kissing it's getting without anyone knowing anything about it. There's a huge difference.
If it was just people saying "Oh boy this looks good", I'd have no problem. But it's beyond that in a lot of places. People saying it'll be the greatest thing ever, best movie of the year, best ever made, blah blah blah.
We get half a face of something and people cream themselves, and all we know is that it's going to look pretty.
I don't see what the big deal is. He has a large fan-base.. so the cheer is louder. I'm quite confident that if it was one of your favorite film makers, you'd be excited too without much basis except you know you like their stuff.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jul 24, 2009, 04:27:55 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jul 24, 2009, 04:27:55 AM
I really want to see the footage that was shown today.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Jul 24, 2009, 04:54:57 AM
Post by: amv79 on Jul 24, 2009, 04:54:57 AM
I am back from the comic con
I WATCH THE AVATAR FOOTAGE..... ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!!!
IT WAS :o :o :o :o!!!!!!!!
I WATCH THE AVATAR FOOTAGE..... ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!!!
IT WAS :o :o :o :o!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 24, 2009, 05:11:55 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jul 24, 2009, 05:11:55 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Jul 24, 2009, 04:27:55 AM
I really want to see the footage that was shown today.
Only 1 more month.
:-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Jul 24, 2009, 05:13:48 AM
Post by: amv79 on Jul 24, 2009, 05:13:48 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27:30 PMbelieve me, you have to watch it ;)
HOLY SHIT
Cameron is taking over IMAX and 3D screens all over the country on August 21st for the Premiere of the Avatar trailer, and footage.
See 14 minutes for FREE!!!
f**king awesome. Going to go reserve some tickets tomorrow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jul 24, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jul 24, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
http://movies.ign.com/articles/100/1005883p1.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 24, 2009, 06:55:06 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 24, 2009, 06:55:06 AM
Comic-Con Video Blog: Thoughts on 24 Minutes of James Cameron's Avatar
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/23/comic-con-video-blog-thoughts-on-24-minutes-of-james-camerons-avatar/
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/23/comic-con-video-blog-thoughts-on-24-minutes-of-james-camerons-avatar/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2009, 08:36:28 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2009, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Jul 24, 2009, 12:29:07 AMThere is no filmmaker alive who I'll get worked up about seeing their next movie. That's not to say there's no filmmaker alive whose films I don't love - I've never seen a David Fincher or Christopher Nolan movie I haven't liked - but I remain cautiously optimistic until I actually see the film.
I don't see what the big deal is. He has a large fan-base.. so the cheer is louder. I'm quite confident that if it was one of your favorite film makers, you'd be excited too without much basis except you know you like their stuff.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 24, 2009, 09:23:03 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 24, 2009, 09:23:03 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing this film just to see if he pulls it off. No movie that has been hyped up this much could possibly live up to it's rep. If it isn't a 100% success in every way, it'll be regarded as one of the biggest flops ever I would think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 24, 2009, 11:58:41 AM
Post by: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 24, 2009, 11:58:41 AM
Worthington and Soldana
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamescamerononline.com%2Fjakeneytiri.jpg&hash=8b07fdaa0714897f48ffee4e43e886d327cb4a70)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamescamerononline.com%2Fjakeneytiri.jpg&hash=8b07fdaa0714897f48ffee4e43e886d327cb4a70)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Jul 24, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
Post by: Scree on Jul 24, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
So are we going to see a 3D sex scene with two blue giant aliens?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 24, 2009, 04:01:16 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 24, 2009, 04:01:16 PM
Bring it on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 30, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jul 30, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
New Set Pic 8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg516.imageshack.us%2Fimg516%2F1844%2Fcameronset1.jpg&hash=c9b0aa952639f1cd3b36eafe063148c84bc2c1e1)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg516.imageshack.us%2Fimg516%2F1844%2Fcameronset1.jpg&hash=c9b0aa952639f1cd3b36eafe063148c84bc2c1e1)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 30, 2009, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 30, 2009, 03:24:45 PM
Is that Cameron? He's awesome. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 03:36:04 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 03:36:04 PM
Cameron is just too badass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25447
Cameron wants to bring Titanic and Terminator 2 in 3D in the theaters again.
Cameron wants to bring Titanic and Terminator 2 in 3D in the theaters again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
I'm all up for T2: 3D: THE MOVIE
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
Don't expect Aliens to get a 3D treatment though, Cameron thinks its dated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 30, 2009, 05:54:55 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jul 30, 2009, 05:54:55 PM
T2 in 3-D would be epic since it one my all time favorite movies. I can't wait for the trailer anytime longer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
Don't expect Aliens to get a 3D treatment though, Cameron thinks its dated.
I actually agree with Cameron on that one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Private Hudson on Jul 30, 2009, 07:11:54 PM
Post by: Private Hudson on Jul 30, 2009, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jul 30, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
New Set Pic 8)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1844/cameronset1.jpg
Awesome. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jul 31, 2009, 12:22:34 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jul 31, 2009, 12:22:34 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 30, 2009, 05:56:19 PMQuote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 30, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
Don't expect Aliens to get a 3D treatment though, Cameron thinks its dated.
I actually agree with Cameron on that one.
Wonder if he'd do the Abyss in the 3D....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Jul 31, 2009, 01:01:12 AM
Post by: amv79 on Jul 31, 2009, 01:01:12 AM
I cant imagine the original PHSYCO in 3D
(creepy and epic phsyco song)
Nooooooooo, it wasnt my idea please...Noooooooooo ;)
I am waiting for the AVATAR day to see the movie footae in 3D again...it waas EPIC ;D
(creepy and epic phsyco song)
Nooooooooo, it wasnt my idea please...Noooooooooo ;)
I am waiting for the AVATAR day to see the movie footae in 3D again...it waas EPIC ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 03, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 03, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
http://fusedfilm.com/2009/08/first-official-poster-for-james-camerons-avatar/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 03, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 03, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
http://www.avatarmovie.com/
The website looks cool, i like the music.
Also there is this low quality screenshot that i found online:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.widescreen-vision.de%2Fscreenshots%2Foriginal%2F2009%2F08%2FAvatar_Worthington_screenshot.JPG&hash=312f130876d863997decf4715f96e57d5db9a787)
The website looks cool, i like the music.
Also there is this low quality screenshot that i found online:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.widescreen-vision.de%2Fscreenshots%2Foriginal%2F2009%2F08%2FAvatar_Worthington_screenshot.JPG&hash=312f130876d863997decf4715f96e57d5db9a787)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 03, 2009, 07:35:12 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 03, 2009, 07:35:12 PM
"better" quality screenshots
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg54.imageshack.us%2Fimg54%2F3696%2Favatar1cbf.jpg&hash=be99e93c005bbb1c60bdc124ca3b83db550feb5e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg24.imageshack.us%2Fimg24%2F1540%2Favatar2giz.jpg&hash=7fed298eee11ce932bbcd72bed4bac09259b7435)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg54.imageshack.us%2Fimg54%2F3696%2Favatar1cbf.jpg&hash=be99e93c005bbb1c60bdc124ca3b83db550feb5e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg24.imageshack.us%2Fimg24%2F1540%2Favatar2giz.jpg&hash=7fed298eee11ce932bbcd72bed4bac09259b7435)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 03, 2009, 07:55:15 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 03, 2009, 07:55:15 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Feyemakeart.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2Fpopping-eyeballs.jpg&hash=433ed1b99726fd1cf4240fa73006d85caf341658)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2009, 09:07:31 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2009, 09:07:31 PM
I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE! I need to go to Avatar Day.
Oh, and Avatar Day will be free, right?
Oh, and Avatar Day will be free, right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
What's so amazing about those screens?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
What's so amazing about those screens?
They are some of the first from the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 04, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 04, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
Their too blurry to make any final judgements.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Aug 04, 2009, 12:18:30 AM
Post by: amv79 on Aug 04, 2009, 12:18:30 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 03, 2009, 07:00:57 PMThe Music in the website rocks!!!
http://www.avatarmovie.com/
The website looks cool, i like the music.
very sentimental and mysterious
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2009, 09:07:31 PMthat's what they said
I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE! I need to go to Avatar Day.
Oh, and Avatar Day will be free, right?
I am so excited ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2009, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2009, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PMThis is what I'm talking about.
What's so amazing about those screens?
They're gonna release a full-body screenshot of one of those blue alien things that are gonna be in it and someone's going to have a f**king heart attack. It will be on the 6 o'clock news.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 04, 2009, 08:22:28 AM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 04, 2009, 08:22:28 AM
Welcome to the avp3 forums.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 04, 2009, 04:18:36 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 04, 2009, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2009, 08:18:26 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PMThis is what I'm talking about.
What's so amazing about those screens?
They're gonna release a full-body screenshot of one of those blue alien things that are gonna be in it and someone's going to have a f**king heart attack. It will be on the 6 o'clock news.
You're going to have a stoke worrying about people being excited. It will be on the 7 o'clock news! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 04, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 04, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2009, 08:18:26 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 03, 2009, 10:17:34 PMThis is what I'm talking about.
What's so amazing about those screens?
They're gonna release a full-body screenshot of one of those blue alien things that are gonna be in it and someone's going to have a f**king heart attack. It will be on the 6 o'clock news.
I wish to RENT this guy XD
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2009, 04:50:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2009, 04:50:11 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 04, 2009, 04:18:36 PMI only respond to it when I see it. I'll be fine :P
You're going to have a stoke worrying about people being excited.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Is anyone apart from me not hyping this up? I've attempted to avoid any kind of news whatsoever in regard to Avatar. And when it comes out I'm gonna stay away from reviews at all costs. If a trailer comes on then I'll scrunch my eyes up and barricade my ears.
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 05, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 05, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
I'm going to see this, but I'm not very hyped. I have seen some of the pictures around here, and I know that James Cameron is doing it, but that isn't enough to get me hyped. Most of Camerons movies are okay, but ain't exactly something that have a special place in my heart.
There are some pretty good actors I guess, but none that gets me really excited.
There are some pretty good actors I guess, but none that gets me really excited.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 05, 2009, 07:45:13 PM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 05, 2009, 07:45:13 PM
In other news: James Cameron constructs a full-size replica of the Titanic, the film still gets 2/5.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 05, 2009, 07:46:45 PM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 05, 2009, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Is anyone apart from me not hyping this up? I've attempted to avoid any kind of news whatsoever in regard to Avatar. And when it comes out I'm gonna stay away from reviews at all costs. If a trailer comes on then I'll scrunch my eyes up and barricade my ears.
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
I'll do you one, better. I'm not going to watch it at all, ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 05, 2009, 07:56:47 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 05, 2009, 07:56:47 PM
I'm not hype up yet once I see some non blurry screen shots or a full trailer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 05, 2009, 07:46:45 PMQuote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Is anyone apart from me not hyping this up? I've attempted to avoid any kind of news whatsoever in regard to Avatar. And when it comes out I'm gonna stay away from reviews at all costs. If a trailer comes on then I'll scrunch my eyes up and barricade my ears.
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
I'll do you one, better. I'm not going to watch it at all, ever.
Any particular reason?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
Post by: amv79 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
I am so hyped up for this movie that I could pee here.....sorry
as I said before...I watched the comic con footage and it was
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi664.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv10%2Fmarcxo7%2FStarWarsAwesome.jpg&hash=abd44df7589ddd62571a0d21cae98220d2f70464)
as I said before...I watched the comic con footage and it was
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi664.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv10%2Fmarcxo7%2FStarWarsAwesome.jpg&hash=abd44df7589ddd62571a0d21cae98220d2f70464)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 06, 2009, 01:38:46 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 06, 2009, 01:38:46 AM
Can you tell us on what some footage looks like?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: amv79 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:55:05 AM
Post by: amv79 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:55:05 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:38:46 AMGood question
Can you tell us on what some footage looks like?
It looks like an animated CGI film..but very realistic
AVATAR FOOTAGE DESCRIPTION
http://movies.ign.com/articles/100/1005883p1.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 06, 2009, 02:34:02 AM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 06, 2009, 02:34:02 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:51:32 PMQuote from: Xhan on Aug 05, 2009, 07:46:45 PMQuote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Is anyone apart from me not hyping this up? I've attempted to avoid any kind of news whatsoever in regard to Avatar. And when it comes out I'm gonna stay away from reviews at all costs. If a trailer comes on then I'll scrunch my eyes up and barricade my ears.
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
I'll do you one, better. I'm not going to watch it at all, ever.
Any particular reason?
Haven't watched a Cameron movie since I walked out of the first fifteen minutes of True Lies, and this one will be no exception.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2009, 02:39:34 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2009, 02:39:34 AM
Quote from: amv79 on Aug 06, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
I am so hyped up for this movie that I could pee here.....sorry
as I said before...I watched the comic con footage and it was
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/marcxo7/StarWarsAwesome.jpg
One of Hugh's finest. Pity they cropped out Leia doing her best Axl Rose. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 06, 2009, 02:55:11 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 06, 2009, 02:55:11 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Aug 06, 2009, 02:34:02 AMQuote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:51:32 PMQuote from: Xhan on Aug 05, 2009, 07:46:45 PMQuote from: TJ Doc on Aug 05, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Is anyone apart from me not hyping this up? I've attempted to avoid any kind of news whatsoever in regard to Avatar. And when it comes out I'm gonna stay away from reviews at all costs. If a trailer comes on then I'll scrunch my eyes up and barricade my ears.
This movie intrigues me a lot, but I think the more mystery surrounding it the better. There's always the worry that our expectations will be way too high! I know it's Cameron (aka: God), but I'm sure that the less you know about it, right up until the point you're sitting in the cinema watching it, the more magnificent it may seem. Maybe.
(*o*)
I'll do you one, better. I'm not going to watch it at all, ever.
Any particular reason?
Haven't watched a Cameron movie since I walked out of the first fifteen minutes of True Lies, and this one will be no exception.
True Lies and Titanic are the only movies of his I don't consider really great. Titanic was good, just not my thing. True Lies was his weakest for sure. But the Abyss, Aliens, T1, and T2 are still some of my favorite action sci-fi movies. I'm definitely on board to watch AVATAR. I will agree though that knowing True Lies and Titanic are his most recent films is a bit disconcerting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 06, 2009, 03:59:01 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 06, 2009, 03:59:01 AM
I liked True Lies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 06, 2009, 04:33:11 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 06, 2009, 04:33:11 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 06, 2009, 05:38:43 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 06, 2009, 05:38:43 AM
True lies was his weakest, but not Piranha 2?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 06, 2009, 06:37:56 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 06, 2009, 06:37:56 AM
Avatar toys
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2F12403_6080935154.jpg&hash=7ec82d8cd579bffb0caa12ffac6846d0e848846b)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2Favatar-toys-2.jpg&hash=efc568732b37e3b7db4ac983c0d0c1a2f5c04dd4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2Favatar-toys-1.jpg&hash=9e15e7f1240f90eca5aad0407e5ae4d4b4fc5b4f)
http://www.gizmag.com/avatar-toys-interact-computer/12403/picture/89140/
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2F12403_6080935154.jpg&hash=7ec82d8cd579bffb0caa12ffac6846d0e848846b)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2Favatar-toys-2.jpg&hash=efc568732b37e3b7db4ac983c0d0c1a2f5c04dd4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fpictures%2Fgallery%2Favatar-toys-1.jpg&hash=9e15e7f1240f90eca5aad0407e5ae4d4b4fc5b4f)
http://www.gizmag.com/avatar-toys-interact-computer/12403/picture/89140/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 06, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 06, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
Those toys look cheapo.
I don't really consider that a "Cameron film" for obvious reasons regarding the issues involved with the producer, etc.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 06, 2009, 05:38:43 AM
True lies was his weakest, but not Piranha 2?
I don't really consider that a "Cameron film" for obvious reasons regarding the issues involved with the producer, etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 06, 2009, 07:06:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 06, 2009, 07:06:39 PM
Those toys are made for younger kids. No shock that they look cheapo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Aug 05, 2009, 07:45:13 PMHalf a full-sized replica :P
In other news: James Cameron constructs a full-size replica of the Titanic, the film still gets 2/5.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 06, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 06, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
Slightly muddied my point, I thought.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Aug 09, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
Post by: Docta Jekyll on Aug 09, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
Sweet, its Alexa Chung!
But seriously, the Mattel toys were always going to look more or less like colorful kiddie fair. Sideshow Collectibles is doing a cool looking 14 Inch powersuit replicate from the film(I'm not a collector, but still)
I'm looking forward to the 21st and seeing the trailer for the film and game though.
But seriously, the Mattel toys were always going to look more or less like colorful kiddie fair. Sideshow Collectibles is doing a cool looking 14 Inch powersuit replicate from the film(I'm not a collector, but still)
I'm looking forward to the 21st and seeing the trailer for the film and game though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 13, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 13, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
AVATAR Day!!!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42039
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42039
QuoteA few weeks ago we learned of James Cameron's plans to hold free screenings of AVATAR footage in IMAX theaters across the country. Even though this event is free, tickets are still be needed to get into these screenings - Fox & Co. have now released further details regarding where and when to nab tickets to the 16 minute preview.
Per THIS piece in the L.A. Times:
On Monday, 20th Century Fox will launch an unusual offer on the website for its Cameron-directed film "Avatar": free tickets for an early look at 16 minutes of footage from the futuristic thriller that will be shown in more than 100 Imax 3-D theaters around the world.
With two screenings on Friday, Aug. 21 (at 6 and 6:30 p.m.), the "Avatar" preview will include an introduction from Cameron and some new footage not shown during July's Comic-Con International convention in San Diego.
[EDIT]
In what's sure to be a mad grab among sci-fi fans, tickets will be given away a first-come, first-served basis on the "Avatar" website (www.avatarmovie.com) at noon PST Monday.
It should be noted that not all towns/cities/locations with IMAX screens will be hosting this screening. In Austin, for example, the local 3D IMAX will not be hosting this AVATAR preview because it did not book the film for the Christmas season (opting instead to present Robert Zemeckis' A CHRISTMAS CAROL in the IMAX 3D format over the Holidays).
To those luck enough to get in: we'd love some reports about your experiences, and detailed perceptions about what you see.
AVATAR's trailer will also emerge on August 21:
On the same date, theaters worldwide will begin showing more conventional 2D and 3D "Avatar" trailers.
[EDIT]
...will continue to play in coming weeks before feature presentations of Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad," the Weinstein Co.'s Brad Pitt starrer "Inglourious Basterds" and other late summer and fall releases.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 12:50:03 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 12:50:03 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Aug 13, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
It should be noted that not all towns/cities/locations with IMAX screens will be hosting this screening. In Austin, for example, the local 3D IMAX will not be hosting this AVATAR preview because it did not book the film for the Christmas season (opting instead to present Robert Zemeckis' A CHRISTMAS CAROL in the IMAX 3D format over the Holidays).
GOD. F***ING. DAMMIT.
>:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 14, 2009, 02:42:13 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 14, 2009, 02:42:13 AM
I have an IMAX about 40 minutes away from me. Here's hoping they have it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 14, 2009, 04:40:19 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 14, 2009, 04:40:19 AM
I hope my Seattle IMAX has it. I will be very upset if it doesn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 02:34:28 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Aug 14, 2009, 04:40:19 AM
I hope my Seattle IMAX has it. I will be very upset if it doesn't.
Like me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 14, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 14, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg196.imageshack.us%2Fimg196%2F8972%2F0220704kx28r1m.jpg&hash=8a30f2d307821904fb53e33aa8cebb0239803077)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 06:19:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 14, 2009, 06:19:37 PM
ZOMYGOD its Marcus Wright! :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I like this guy a lot, i still think he would be perfect for the main role in Predators, but i don't think that is going to happen though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 14, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 14, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Aug 14, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg196.imageshack.us%2Fimg196%2F8972%2F0220704kx28r1m.jpg&hash=8a30f2d307821904fb53e33aa8cebb0239803077)
Simply awesome, this image is just awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Aug 14, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Post by: severen76 on Aug 14, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I like this guy a lot, i still think he would be perfect for the main role in Predators, but i don't think that is going to happen though.
I think he's a bit too high profile to be in it now. Before he made Terminator, sure. But maybe not now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Aug 14, 2009, 08:37:46 PMThat's exactly what Predators needs, big names.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I like this guy a lot, i still think he would be perfect for the main role in Predators, but i don't think that is going to happen though.
I think he's a bit too high profile to be in it now. Before he made Terminator, sure. But maybe not now.
Predator had big names, Arnold (Who was the action star), Apollo creed, bill duke.
Predator 2 had big names (For it's time).
I don't want no more OC California type of characters to be in this, we need empathetic, well known actioners, and Sam Worthington is one of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 14, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 14, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
Sweet Image. I hope the AMC in Ocean City will have the trailer playing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2009, 01:07:07 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2009, 01:07:07 AM
The still shot image of the avatar is impressive. I KNOW its CGI because of the talk. I'd have to look hard to find flaws in its design in the photo. It looks heavy, it is detailed, looks like a model.
At least visually, this film will certainly be impressive if they can maintain that level of computer graphic imagery throughout the movie.
At least visually, this film will certainly be impressive if they can maintain that level of computer graphic imagery throughout the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 15, 2009, 01:14:40 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 15, 2009, 01:14:40 AM
To be true, it looks real to me, if that's CG in the background then I'm impressed.
Still not hyped for the movie though, even with all the 3D talk, footage descriptions and posters. I have to wait for the trailer.
Still not hyped for the movie though, even with all the 3D talk, footage descriptions and posters. I have to wait for the trailer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 15, 2009, 05:27:44 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 15, 2009, 05:27:44 AM
Avatar Trailer Online Thursday
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=58101
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=58101
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 15, 2009, 05:29:08 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 15, 2009, 05:29:08 AM
-head explodes-
But I cant wait that long!
Well, okay, I can... but I dont want to!
But I cant wait that long!
Well, okay, I can... but I dont want to!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2009, 05:31:54 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2009, 05:31:54 AM
Damn it I will be out of town this week and I'm going to miss out of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV2650 on Aug 15, 2009, 05:36:59 AM
Post by: EEV2650 on Aug 15, 2009, 05:36:59 AM
I'm pretty pumped to see Cameron back in the swing again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 15, 2009, 08:17:18 AM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 15, 2009, 08:17:18 AM
Official still...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fheadlines%2Ftemp%2Ftemp1733.jpg&hash=08be6e2f4be6cd0b40c060fb71dab4b4d36f1557)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fheadlines%2Ftemp%2Ftemp1733.jpg&hash=08be6e2f4be6cd0b40c060fb71dab4b4d36f1557)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2009, 08:24:03 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2009, 08:24:03 AM
That was on the last page.
Something about the background doesn't look right to me. And I don't just mean the alienification.
Something about the background doesn't look right to me. And I don't just mean the alienification.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Übermensch on Aug 15, 2009, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Übermensch on Aug 15, 2009, 11:58:42 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 08:50:44 PMQuote from: severen76 on Aug 14, 2009, 08:37:46 PMThat's exactly what Predators needs, big names.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 14, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I like this guy a lot, i still think he would be perfect for the main role in Predators, but i don't think that is going to happen though.
I think he's a bit too high profile to be in it now. Before he made Terminator, sure. But maybe not now.
Predator had big names, Arnold (Who was the action star), Apollo creed, bill duke.
Predator 2 had big names (For it's time).
I don't want no more OC California type of characters to be in this, we need empathetic, well known actioners, and Sam Worthington is one of them.
All he can do is act tough, Arnold at least has some charisma.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 15, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 15, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 15, 2009, 08:17:18 AM
Official still...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fheadlines%2Ftemp%2Ftemp1733.jpg&hash=08be6e2f4be6cd0b40c060fb71dab4b4d36f1557)
HOLY.......I just shat myself. WOW.
*and not just for the riddiculus avatar hype, its simply stunning. concider its CGI*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 15, 2009, 03:13:42 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 15, 2009, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2009, 08:24:03 AM
That was on the last page.
Something about the background doesn't look right to me. And I don't just mean the alienification.
Oops.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Aug 15, 2009, 06:32:41 PM
Post by: Huol on Aug 15, 2009, 06:32:41 PM
Am I the only one not crapping my pants at anything in this movie?
Yes its Cameron, so what?
Yes its Cameron, so what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Aug 15, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Post by: severen76 on Aug 15, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Nah, you aren't the only one. It's just the majority of the interweb is shitting themselves over it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
No, your not the only one. My hypometer is sitting at null.
That said, just because its scifi/future fantasy, I'll probably go see it and hope it isn't shit.
That said, just because its scifi/future fantasy, I'll probably go see it and hope it isn't shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 15, 2009, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 15, 2009, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Huol on Aug 15, 2009, 06:32:41 PMI feel the same way, the exact same way.
Am I the only one not crapping my pants at anything in this movie?
Yes its Cameron, so what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 15, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 15, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: Huol on Aug 15, 2009, 06:32:41 PM
Yes its Cameron, so what?
So people are looking forward to it, so what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 01:14:21 AM
Post by: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 01:14:21 AM
Lol so what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 16, 2009, 01:21:23 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 16, 2009, 01:21:23 AM
So!?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 01:37:26 AM
Post by: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 01:37:26 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 16, 2009, 01:21:23 AM-Feels on spot.- LOOK A COOKIE!
So!?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 16, 2009, 04:03:51 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 16, 2009, 04:03:51 AM
I just ate it... SO WHAT!?
:D
Can't wait to see this trailer on Thursday! ;D
:D
Can't wait to see this trailer on Thursday! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 16, 2009, 11:24:58 AM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 16, 2009, 11:24:58 AM
Is it a teaser trailer or the full theatrical trailer?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 17, 2009, 09:31:33 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 17, 2009, 09:31:33 PM
Dunno... The one in the theater is an "extended trailer".
www.avatarmovie.com is supposed to be up giving away tickets for the 16 min IMAX special (Avatar Day), but it crashed due to MASSUF DAMAHJ... No really the Twitter says the overwhelming response crashed the servers. lol
Even though it's not happening in Austin, I wanted to see if it was in a nearby city, but it's just not werkin'...
Edit: Its up! http://www.avatarmovie.com/ticketing/
www.avatarmovie.com is supposed to be up giving away tickets for the 16 min IMAX special (Avatar Day), but it crashed due to MASSUF DAMAHJ... No really the Twitter says the overwhelming response crashed the servers. lol
Even though it's not happening in Austin, I wanted to see if it was in a nearby city, but it's just not werkin'...
Edit: Its up! http://www.avatarmovie.com/ticketing/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
I think I may have been able to get them just now
"crosses fingers"
"crosses fingers"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 18, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 18, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
I got them. Luckily my wife loves Cameron movies and is willing to drive an hour (San Antonio)... for only 20 mins of preview. LOL
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA
I got them!! WOOT WOOT!!! Just got to print out the e-mail at my library and i'm good!
I got them!! WOOT WOOT!!! Just got to print out the e-mail at my library and i'm good!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ishallsmitethee on Aug 19, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
Post by: Ishallsmitethee on Aug 19, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
The Trailer!
http://io9.com/5340144/james-camerons-avetar-trailer-out-now
http://io9.com/5340144/james-camerons-avetar-trailer-out-now
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2009, 05:20:38 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2009, 05:20:38 PM
Quote from: Ishallsmitethee on Aug 19, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
The Trailer!
http://io9.com/5340144/james-camerons-avetar-trailer-out-now
=o !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't tell real from CGI!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 19, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 19, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
lol that was great, what heartless bastards ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 20, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 20, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
Cameron has done it again!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
I'm hugely disappointed as it was completely different than what i expected. :P
Edit: Some more behind the scene photos
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Fnewavatarpics.jpg&hash=2c2b2610252ccb3da9b744aed3f7c3307be5a0d7)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comingsoon.net%2Fgallery%2F13245%2FAvatar_9.jpg&hash=e2fa609a662fc74dd504729a7c79ba8de522cef8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comingsoon.net%2Fgallery%2F13245%2FAvatar_12.jpg&hash=f022a3c1405d30aae4934e5e4f909cf8bc1f8002)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comingsoon.net%2Fgallery%2F13245%2FAvatar_8.jpg&hash=603e8f3a2c525df86607555d60110883e5198368)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 20, 2009, 04:48:43 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 20, 2009, 04:48:43 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 07:45:04 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 07:45:04 AM
Johnny, there seems to be some kind of problem with your pictures. They won't show.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 11:33:13 AM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 11:33:13 AM
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Reminds me of the first time you get the Hornets in Halo.
Dunnn dunnnn da dun dun.
Reminds me of the first time you get the Hornets in Halo.
Dunnn dunnnn da dun dun.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 20, 2009, 11:40:22 AM
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 20, 2009, 11:40:22 AM
thats suposed to be photorealistic CGI, minor dissepointment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 11:43:39 AM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 11:43:39 AM
Yeah, it doesn't look like anything special.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 07:45:04 AMYeah just saw it, ohh well, it were the same ones posted by Darkoo.
Johnny, there seems to be some kind of problem with your pictures. They won't show.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
I was looking at some Avatar stuff (I think I'm going to miss Avatar Day :'( ) but this article has an EPIC FAIL. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6060363/Avatar-James-Cameron-unveils-trailer-for-3-D-movie.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6060363/Avatar-James-Cameron-unveils-trailer-for-3-D-movie.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
this article has an EPIC FAIL.
Big time!
QuoteAvatar is a science fiction film scheduled for a worldwide release on December 18, 2009 and will be Cameron's first major offering since 2003's Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
lol!
I can't wait for this trailer! Too bad I'm missing Avatar Day. :'( BUT THE TRAILER WILL BE EPIC!
I can't wait for this trailer! Too bad I'm missing Avatar Day. :'( BUT THE TRAILER WILL BE EPIC!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
I don't regret it that i didn't even care to get tickets for Avatar day, because when i end up seeing the movie in the theaters it will be better not to know almost 40 minutes of the movie. (I'm counting in the comic con footage)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 01:07:07 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 01:07:07 PM
Same here.
I'd rather see the film later than a chunk of it now and the rest later.
I'd rather see the film later than a chunk of it now and the rest later.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
That's true. I'll just watch the trailer wen it is released and stay away from clips and stuff like that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Trailer will be out in 28 minutes.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/
Edit: Alright, just watched it and i gotta say i'm a bit underwhelmed by it, i think the CG does in now way look real or any better than we had before.
The environment looks good, but the NAVI's... i expected better.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/
Edit: Alright, just watched it and i gotta say i'm a bit underwhelmed by it, i think the CG does in now way look real or any better than we had before.
The environment looks good, but the NAVI's... i expected better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:27:38 PM
Looks cool, but the CGI doesn't look any better then any other big budget movie with good SFX.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 20, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 20, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Not working for me. Other links?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 20, 2009, 02:34:02 PM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Aug 20, 2009, 02:34:02 PM
the french msn website has it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
http://specials.divertissements.fr.msn.com/cinema/avatar/default.aspx
Nothing special, another overated hyped up BS IMO :-\
Nothing special, another overated hyped up BS IMO :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Looks freaking crazy. I can't WAIT to see it. Some parts of the CGI do look very real, some other parts are pretty in-line with todays best stuff we've already seen. So I guess in that regard, I'm not entirely impressed. As far as the setting, and overall look however, I am impressed. Very, very pretty.
In 3-D, I have no doubt it's going to be a treat for the senses. But that's only part of the equation.
I'm not completely convinced by the Blue Man Group people, but I didn't really like the look of the Prawns in D9 either, and that really didn't make any difference in how that movie was able to get you emotional about them.
I'm not sure what some people were expecting, but I'm sure the ones being negative in this thread will continue to do so.
In 3-D, I have no doubt it's going to be a treat for the senses. But that's only part of the equation.
I'm not completely convinced by the Blue Man Group people, but I didn't really like the look of the Prawns in D9 either, and that really didn't make any difference in how that movie was able to get you emotional about them.
I'm not sure what some people were expecting, but I'm sure the ones being negative in this thread will continue to do so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
It looks pretty damn nice. I'll definitely see it in the theatres. :)
Loved the blue people. Those are the avatars I presume?
Loved the blue people. Those are the avatars I presume?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:10:37 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:10:37 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
I'm not sure what some people were expecting,
I was just expecting CGI so good I couldn't tell, as that is how it was being hyped up to be. It looks great, but not 100% photorealistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:10:37 PMQuote from: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
I'm not sure what some people were expecting,
I was just expecting CGI so good I couldn't tell, as that is how it was being hyped up to be. It looks great, but not 100% photorealistic.
Yeah, I remember Ironman and hulk being more realistic then those blue guys
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 03:16:01 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 03:16:01 PM
Quotebut I'm sure the ones being negative in this thread will continue to do so.And the people who kiss James Cameron's ass will continue to do so, even when the trailer didn't met their slightest expectations.
I had the 'wait and see' approach, and i probably will see it in the theaters too, but the CG doesn't really look all that great. Its a split up, some scenes look really, really good, some look like Final fantasy.
So after all the praising of the FX and the "This will change the way we see movies forever!" approach they sell to us for months now i'm slightly disappointed, and therefore i'm so negative about this movie?
Why not name this thread the "James Cameron Asskisser" thread then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Aug 20, 2009, 03:16:15 PM
Post by: Huol on Aug 20, 2009, 03:16:15 PM
All I saw in that trailer was CGI CGI CGI.
Not hyped for this at all.
Not hyped for this at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 20, 2009, 02:31:56 PMhttp://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h720p.mov
Not working for me. Other links?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 20, 2009, 03:16:01 PM
Why not name this thread the "James Cameron Asskisser" thread then.
Calm down.
Quotethe CG doesn't really look all that great. Its a split up, some scenes look really, really good, some look like Final fantasy.
I said almost exactly the same thing.
Quote"This will change the way we see movies forever!"
Most of this kind of stuff was said about his 3-D tech.
QuoteAnd the people who kiss James Cameron's ass will continue to do so, even when the trailer didn't met their slightest expectations
Odd that I guess I'm one of the "asskissers" yet my expectations where way more grounded than people thinking their brains would melt to an orgasmic ooze from a freakin' (2d) trailer. :\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 20, 2009, 03:27:18 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 20, 2009, 03:27:18 PM
I remember a superbowl trailer for iron man with bad cg, and people complained, but in the final thing it looked great. I think the CG is not yet finished.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
I dunno why everyone is getting all worked up. Looks kinda cool, was never gonna blow anyone's mind, haters hate, lovers love, can't we all just get along?
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 20, 2009, 02:59:20 PMNot all of them. Just Sam and one other by the looks of it. All the others are presumably real members of the species.
Loved the blue people. Those are the avatars I presume?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:33:19 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Aug 20, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
I dunno why everyone is getting all worked up. Looks kinda cool, was never gonna blow anyone's mind, haters hate, lovers love, can't we all just get along?
Well put! :) But no, I doubt we can all get along. :D lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Looks great! Will defiantly be seeing. I agree that the affects aren't as good as the hype led us to believe, but looks great nonetheless. Plus, the story is the most important part.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
Here guys,
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkness on Aug 20, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
Post by: Darkness on Aug 20, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
I'm a bit disappointed. The backgrounds and stuff look great but the blue creatures or aliens or whatever they are don't at all. Felt like I was watching a cartoon when they came on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 04:46:58 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 04:46:58 PM
looks like World of Warcraft meets Starship Troopers :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 04:47:58 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 04:47:58 PM
As I said before, I'm more interested in story than effects, but these look great! Not as great as they were hyped up to be, but still great. Plus, I think they will look even better in 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Disc Jockey on Aug 20, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Post by: Space Disc Jockey on Aug 20, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed too. Cameron hyped this thing way too much and it's going to hurt it. Don't get me wrong, the CGI and effects look GREAT, but nothing ground-breaking. All this hype of how good the CGI will be...you can still tell what's CGI and what isn't.
He was just excited about using digital characters, after seeing Gollum and what Lucas did in the Star Wars prequels. Now, Cameron has his chance of using CGI characters in his film.
I think Cameron is one of the best directors we've ever had. He's a perfectionist, genius and I can't wait to see AVATAR, but I think they over-hyped this. But Cameron knows how to tell stories and I hope he wont disappoint with this.
He was just excited about using digital characters, after seeing Gollum and what Lucas did in the Star Wars prequels. Now, Cameron has his chance of using CGI characters in his film.
I think Cameron is one of the best directors we've ever had. He's a perfectionist, genius and I can't wait to see AVATAR, but I think they over-hyped this. But Cameron knows how to tell stories and I hope he wont disappoint with this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 04:56:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 04:56:04 PM
Some of it looks amazing, but I think the most disappointing parts are in the animating. Sometimes it just has that obvious CGI movement look. Freeze frame a lot of the shots in 1080p and it's quite realistic looking.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hybrid PM on Aug 20, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Post by: Hybrid PM on Aug 20, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
I thought it looked pretty damn good!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 20, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Film itself didn't look too shabby. CGI in motion was a bit of a let down, but as Cellien said, some of the still shots look pretty realistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Gates on Aug 20, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
Post by: Gates on Aug 20, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
I thought it looked pretty damn interesting...it won't be the best movie ever, but so f**king what..? It'll probably offer more than most in terms of sci-fi action...I know what I get out of Cameron films, and I'm fine with that...
And I'm no tech guy, but is it possible that to fully take advantage of the graphics, you need to be in an Imax/digital something-or-another..?
And I'm no tech guy, but is it possible that to fully take advantage of the graphics, you need to be in an Imax/digital something-or-another..?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: Gates on Aug 20, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
And I'm no tech guy, but is it possible that to fully take advantage of the graphics, you need to be in an Imax/digital something-or-another..?
Thats what I'm thinking. But if not, what we've seen is great, and the story seems great as well!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dzuksi on Aug 20, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
Post by: Dzuksi on Aug 20, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
hmmm... it's okay. The only thing that was mindblowing was background. Everything else was okay.
And why does this movie reminds me at some parts on Pocahontas? ???
And why does this movie reminds me at some parts on Pocahontas? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
I'm trying to download the 1080p HD version but it won't let me, where can I download it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 05:08:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 05:08:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2009, 05:05:13 PMQuote from: Gates on Aug 20, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
And I'm no tech guy, but is it possible that to fully take advantage of the graphics, you need to be in an Imax/digital something-or-another..?
Thats what I'm thinking. But if not, what we've seen is great, and the story seems great as well!
Yeah, it's using a new 3-D camera system for the live action parts. IMAX will be the best way to see if for most people, but there are other 3-D digital theaters that might even be a bit crisper (however, smaller screen).
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
I'm trying to download the 1080p HD version but it won't let me, where can I download it?
I had to get it off a Mac because the free version of Quicktime for Windows does not allow you to save it. I put it on a jump drive and back on my PC. It plays waaay smoother with the K-Lite codec pack in Window Media Player.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
awww ok, well theres an answer to that, it's called Quick Time Pro 7 torrent lol ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 05:31:22 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 05:31:22 PM
Little late to the party.
Everything but the Na'Vi looks absolutely amazing, the mech, pandora, vehicles, absolutely stunned by the world they create, but the Na'Vi will always be a CG creature to me. I'm sure that feeling will vanish when I finally see the film.
Not let down a single bit, loving everything.
Everything but the Na'Vi looks absolutely amazing, the mech, pandora, vehicles, absolutely stunned by the world they create, but the Na'Vi will always be a CG creature to me. I'm sure that feeling will vanish when I finally see the film.
Not let down a single bit, loving everything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
Aliens is my favorite movie of all time, I have a feeling Cameron will change that in december ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: RumorControl on Aug 20, 2009, 05:52:07 PM
Post by: RumorControl on Aug 20, 2009, 05:52:07 PM
Looks like cutscenes from a damn video game. That blurry, plastic look is not realistic at all.
In a way, I'm glad though. I don't want CGI to replace real actors and sets.
If Avatar bombs then maybe it'll be a wakeup call for Hollywood to stop making shitty animated movies and go back to old fashioned sets and costumes.
In a way, I'm glad though. I don't want CGI to replace real actors and sets.
If Avatar bombs then maybe it'll be a wakeup call for Hollywood to stop making shitty animated movies and go back to old fashioned sets and costumes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 20, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Aug 20, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
The effects in District 9, albiet not on the same scale, were actually better... bit of a let down really, but I'm still looking forward to Avatar though. Cameron hasn't failed me yet!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 06:10:25 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 06:10:25 PM
It also doesn't help that these creatures are very human-like, which makes it THAT MUCH harder to make it look 100% believable. It's much easier to do very alien-like creatures in CG as it's not something we will instantly see as off if something isn't perfect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 20, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
Mass Effect looks better :P
He should have made a movie out of that or Halo, would have been much more interesting IMO
He should have made a movie out of that or Halo, would have been much more interesting IMO
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 20, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 20, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
The scenes with the Na'Vi just look like a 3d animated movie opposed to photo-realism. I'm not blown away like I was expecting to be, but not disappointed. I hope this flick delivers on something aside from "holy crap that looks amazing." Anyone else digging the music in the teaser?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Aug 20, 2009, 07:19:09 PM
Post by: severen76 on Aug 20, 2009, 07:19:09 PM
I thought the most realistic looking part of the trailer was when the ...uh the Navi(?) flexed it's feet on the operating table. I thought it was a real actor, but apart from that the CGI wasn't as good as I was expecting. Maybe it will look better in 3D. :-\
..The action scene with the gunships looked cool though.
..The action scene with the gunships looked cool though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 20, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Aug 20, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
Anyone else digging the music in the teaser?
Yeah, I dug it. Almost no dialog in the trailer too!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ace3g on Aug 20, 2009, 10:25:01 PM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 20, 2009, 10:25:01 PM
I'm hoping this movie won't be something you went to get the true effect unless you watch it in 3D with the special glasses. I hate that directors/studios are going into the 3D era, where they are forcing you to wear the 3D glasses.
For me that only works for documentary type films about nature, etc, that you would see at your local IMAX during elementary school.
It takes away from the movie experience personally.
What are your guys thoughts
For me that only works for documentary type films about nature, etc, that you would see at your local IMAX during elementary school.
It takes away from the movie experience personally.
What are your guys thoughts
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sgt.Torque Reikan on Aug 20, 2009, 11:10:45 PM
Post by: Sgt.Torque Reikan on Aug 20, 2009, 11:10:45 PM
I feel like I want to press start at the end of the trailer it looks like a f**king video game
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 11:22:51 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 11:22:51 PM
Wow, saw the 1080 trailer.
Good lord this is pretty.
As for the whole "looks like a video game" thing, compare the screen caps of the game to the trailer.
Still not completely digging the Na'Vi. :/
Good lord this is pretty.
As for the whole "looks like a video game" thing, compare the screen caps of the game to the trailer.
Still not completely digging the Na'Vi. :/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 20, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 11:22:51 PM
Still not completely digging the Na'Vi. :/
Me either. Especially the women. f**king creepy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 11:39:41 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 20, 2009, 11:39:41 PM
There are thousands of furries fapping to this trailer on the internet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 20, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 20, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Good. Hopefully we can take them out all at once!
Loved the trailer. Looks amazing.
Loved the trailer. Looks amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2009, 11:49:53 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2009, 11:49:53 PM
Looked pretty sweet until those flat faced Thundercat things.
Could still be a fun film, but those dude are looking a bit too CG. For a creature like that I woulda thought it could've been largely achieved by guys in suits.
Could still be a fun film, but those dude are looking a bit too CG. For a creature like that I woulda thought it could've been largely achieved by guys in suits.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
Lol, Thundercats!
Watched it on a large screen in 1080p, which seems to really make these visuals pop. I am quite amazed at the detail now, even on the Na'vi. I still think the only thing throwing a wrench in the them looking real is some of the movements. The detail is definitely there though and pretty darn impressive.
Watched it on a large screen in 1080p, which seems to really make these visuals pop. I am quite amazed at the detail now, even on the Na'vi. I still think the only thing throwing a wrench in the them looking real is some of the movements. The detail is definitely there though and pretty darn impressive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 21, 2009, 03:01:57 AM
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 21, 2009, 03:01:57 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 20, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
Aliens is my favorite movie of all time, I have a feeling Cameron will change that in december ;D
Doubtful. Aliens is his masterpiece. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kriszilla on Aug 21, 2009, 04:05:47 AM
Post by: Kriszilla on Aug 21, 2009, 04:05:47 AM
I think the CG itself is incredible.
I think the reason the blue people are unconvincing is more to do with design than the quality of the effects.
Still going to see it at some point, though.
I think the reason the blue people are unconvincing is more to do with design than the quality of the effects.
Still going to see it at some point, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 21, 2009, 04:24:32 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 21, 2009, 04:24:32 AM
They're blue humanoid cat things. Woulda thought that'd be a doddle to make photrealistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 04:44:02 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 04:44:02 AM
What is wrong with the Na'vi??
They look fine. I dont see anything wrong.
James Cameron has never let me down before, I HIGHLY doubt he's going to start now...
They look fine. I dont see anything wrong.
James Cameron has never let me down before, I HIGHLY doubt he's going to start now...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 21, 2009, 04:47:03 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 21, 2009, 04:47:03 AM
What's wrong is the Thundercats don't look as real as the earlier stuff in the trailer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2009, 04:58:40 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2009, 04:58:40 AM
Its the faces of them. The hands and feet moving around look good. Something about the faces just don't look right.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 21, 2009, 06:44:29 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 21, 2009, 06:44:29 AM
Okay, I finally saw it, been waiting all day.
I am a bit disappointed, mainly with the Na'vi. They just didn't look real enough.
The environments though... Holy crap.
Watching the trailer, it looks like it turns into a cartoon after all the real life actors are not on screen.
I think this should have been just a animated film, with no real actors, I might have found it a bit more believable.
I am still going to see it, it looks awesome, definiltey in IMAX.
But I just wanted to see the photo realism on the Na'vi...
I am a bit disappointed, mainly with the Na'vi. They just didn't look real enough.
The environments though... Holy crap.
Watching the trailer, it looks like it turns into a cartoon after all the real life actors are not on screen.
I think this should have been just a animated film, with no real actors, I might have found it a bit more believable.
I am still going to see it, it looks awesome, definiltey in IMAX.
But I just wanted to see the photo realism on the Na'vi...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 08:00:05 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 08:00:05 AM
Ok. I can understand where you guys are coming from, but who cares?
The CGI still looks like an orgasmic experience, whether its the Na'vi or other stuff.
I'm looking forward to this.
The CGI still looks like an orgasmic experience, whether its the Na'vi or other stuff.
I'm looking forward to this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:16:36 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:16:36 AM
Think about it. When your entire advertising campaign is essentially "HOLY f**k DUDES LOOK AT THE PRETTY PICTURES I CAN MAKE!", and people are creaming themselves over the film solely based on how awesome the effects will be, you'd expect them to damn-near reach out of the screen and cock-slap you with how awesome they look.
This being said!, I have not watched the trailer.
So I'm just sayin'.
This being said!, I have not watched the trailer.
So I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 21, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
Why haven't you watched it yet?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
I just do not have a f**k to give this movie, honestly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 21, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 21, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
I just do not have a f**k to give this movie, honestly.
Rofl :D
look what I found btw, their nose looks similair :P
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
Is that second picture from Avatar?
...Those are the special effects that I'm supposed to cream over?
...Those are the special effects that I'm supposed to cream over?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 21, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 21, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
Is that second picture from Avatar?
...Those are the special effects that I'm supposed to cream over?
Yes hehe. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 21, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 21, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
Yeah. Are you seriously that disinterested in the movie SiL? Or just sick of people going on about it? Are you going to watch it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
A bit from column A, a bit from column B. Mostly A, mind - The movie really just holds no interest. The plot doesn't sound all too interesting to me. Could make for an interesting twisted love-story, but I don't think Cameron's got it in him to pull off something I, personally, would be satisfied with.
I'll watch the trailer, and I'll probably watch the movie, but I'm in no rush for either.
I'll watch the trailer, and I'll probably watch the movie, but I'm in no rush for either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Really? Wow! Even after you said this:
Color me surprised!
:D
Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
I just do not have a f**k to give this movie, honestly.
Color me surprised!
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Aug 21, 2009, 06:44:29 AM
Watching the trailer, it looks like it turns into a cartoon after all the real life actors are not on screen.
I think this should have been just a animated film, with no real actors, I might have found it a bit more believable.
That's how I feel about it. Not only are there times when it looks like a Pixar animated film (only more detailed), they might as well have done the entire thing in CGI. It practically is already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
And the music is from 28 weeks later
And the music is from 28 weeks later
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Aug 21, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Aug 21, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
And the music is from 28 weeks later
Wow, that delgovatar link makes you think.
Nice to hear where the music is from.
Anyone have direct links to 720p HD of the trailer, QT Lite won't let me download it for some reason.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
http://io9.com/5340144/james-camerons-avetar-trailer-out-now
don't know if this was poster
don't know if this was poster
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:58:28 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:58:28 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
And the music is from 28 weeks later
Interesting link. Not sure Delgo was around back when Avatar was being conceptualized however. The only 2 scenes that seem strikingly similar is the floating mountain scape and the riding Pterodactyl, which neither are terribly new to sci-fi/fantasy.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
http://io9.com/5340144/james-camerons-avetar-trailer-out-now
don't know if this was poster
Already been posted. Was funny before the trailer actually released.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: echobbase79 on Aug 21, 2009, 03:13:20 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Aug 21, 2009, 03:13:20 PM
In reference to the trailer:
BIG WOOP!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 21, 2009, 04:01:50 PM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 21, 2009, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PMBefore I delve into a maddening search for that particular song, you know what its called off-hand?
And the music is from 28 weeks later
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
Game trailer is out: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-avatar/54752
Haven't watched yet. Might wait to see it tonight, in 3D. :)
EDIT: Went ahead and watched it. Its okay. Nice scenery, but graphics are pretty average. Supposed to actually be in 3-D though, but I doubt most people will get to play it like that. The fact that it's to be rendering in 3-D probably explains why the graphics aren't that impressive. Takes a lot of power to render the scene, basically twice. I'm interested in knowing how Ubisoft is tackling that.
Haven't watched yet. Might wait to see it tonight, in 3D. :)
EDIT: Went ahead and watched it. Its okay. Nice scenery, but graphics are pretty average. Supposed to actually be in 3-D though, but I doubt most people will get to play it like that. The fact that it's to be rendering in 3-D probably explains why the graphics aren't that impressive. Takes a lot of power to render the scene, basically twice. I'm interested in knowing how Ubisoft is tackling that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Aug 21, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Aug 21, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
Watched the movie Trailer + it looks alright but as the trailer went on i got less + less interested, espec once there were no more human characters, just weird looking green/blue w/e they are. Looks more like a fantasy film than a sci-fi film...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 21, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 21, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 04:15:59 PMThere's some intense framerate drops at many points in that trailer...not looking to good unless someone pulls the optimization lever.
Game trailer is out: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-avatar/54752
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Yep. :\ I thought it was my player the first time I watched it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 05:40:45 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 05:40:45 PM
Thats normal in game trailers, you always see weird framerate drops. I woudn't worry about that, but I can't wait to play this game. It does look interesting and fun.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 07:08:19 PM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Really? Wow! Even after you said this:Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
I just do not have a f**k to give this movie, honestly.
Color me surprised!
:D
His seething hatred of all things Cameron is incredibly entertaining.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2009, 09:48:59 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2009, 09:48:59 PM
And its incredibly ridiculous how people bash those who didn't liked the stuff shown in the trailer but at the same time its totally fine to like all things Cameron.
Especially if those guys are mods.
Especially if those guys are mods.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 07:08:19 PMQuote from: Cellien on Aug 21, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Really? Wow! Even after you said this:Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
I just do not have a f**k to give this movie, honestly.
Color me surprised!
:D
His seething hatred of all things Cameron is incredibly entertaining.
All things that are Cameron? This guy hates every movie, expect for the ones in his head.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
He doesn't hate every movie, he likes Aliens for example, just not as much as the first one, like i do myself.
I wasn't blown away by the trailer like some of you guys were, so what?
And like he said before, a movie that is marketed solely on it's special effects stating "You're going to be blown away, this will change the way movies are being made!" and then failing to impress me does tell us one thing: They simply failed . Sure, some are impressed, some aren't, but calling someone who isn't a "hater" or "he doesn't like any movie" isn't fair and unnecessary at the same time.
And i find some arguments quite ridiculous too, "Hell, its James Cameron!", again, so what? I don't care for him and i wont get hyped over a movie just because it is made by him.
Its the same principle, i don't care about you personally, that doesn't mean i hate you though, apples and oranges.
I wasn't blown away by the trailer like some of you guys were, so what?
And like he said before, a movie that is marketed solely on it's special effects stating "You're going to be blown away, this will change the way movies are being made!" and then failing to impress me does tell us one thing: They simply failed . Sure, some are impressed, some aren't, but calling someone who isn't a "hater" or "he doesn't like any movie" isn't fair and unnecessary at the same time.
And i find some arguments quite ridiculous too, "Hell, its James Cameron!", again, so what? I don't care for him and i wont get hyped over a movie just because it is made by him.
Its the same principle, i don't care about you personally, that doesn't mean i hate you though, apples and oranges.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hybrid PM on Aug 21, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Post by: Hybrid PM on Aug 21, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
I have a feeling its going to be Titanic on alien steriods!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2009, 09:48:59 PM
And its incredibly ridiculous how people bash those who didn't liked the stuff shown in the trailer but at the same time its totally fine to like all things Cameron.
Especially if those guys are mods.
...
I didn't find the trailer anything special and I don't like 90% of James Cameron films. I was just remarking on how I find the intensity of SiLs hatred amusing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:32:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 07:08:19 PM...what seething hatred?
His seething hatred of all things Cameron is incredibly entertaining.
I don't hate all things Cameron. I hate Cameron fans, maybe, or at least the ridiculously fanatical ones, but his movies? No hate.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 10:22:38 PMThis guy hates every movie, expect for the ones in his head.I ... yeah. Okay. Yeah. I hate all movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 21, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
I didn't find the trailer anything special and I don't like 90% of James Cameron films
Bahaha! Oh awww man, take my advice stop going to the movies then if thats how you feel about Camerons work. He has made some of the most best action films, sci-fi films, cutting edge special effects and epicness you just can't see anywhere else. If his films aren't enough to impress you, stop watching film, stop going to the movies, heck stop talking about film because you will only torture yourself with the movies to come.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
How about just you stop talking, and everyone else who appreciates movies having more than recycled plots and characters and shootybangs keeps talking?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 21, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 21, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
What's a shootybang, and where do I purchase one?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 22, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 22, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:32:09 PMQuote from: Aeus on Aug 21, 2009, 07:08:19 PM...what seething hatred?
His seething hatred of all things Cameron is incredibly entertaining.
I don't hate all things Cameron. I hate Cameron fans, maybe, or at least the ridiculously fanatical ones, but his movies? No hate.
I love how this post was followed up by an example of what you were talking about. Thanks Phantom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 22, 2009, 12:18:39 AM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 22, 2009, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Aug 21, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
What's a shootybang, and where do I purchase one?
It makes loud people go away. They're at your local derka jihad store.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dachande on Aug 22, 2009, 01:29:19 AM
Post by: Dachande on Aug 22, 2009, 01:29:19 AM
Jurassic Park STILL looks better... >_>
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 22, 2009, 01:37:25 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 22, 2009, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: Dachande on Aug 22, 2009, 01:29:19 AM
Jurassic Park STILL looks better... >_>
I completely agree.
I think Transformers and Jurassic Park are still the films that had the best CGI.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 02:01:42 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 02:01:42 AM
Transformers cgi is the best I've seen so far. I just think that watching this small little teaser on our computer screen isn't going to nearly be as impressive as it's going to look like in 3D and playing in a giant theater. A 3D based movie watching it in 2D on a 166mb file, and it still looks impressive to me is a good sign.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2009, 02:08:26 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2009, 02:08:26 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Aug 22, 2009, 01:37:25 AM
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Goddamn, I can't believe how good that still looks. You literally can't tell it's CGI.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 03:04:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 03:04:04 AM
I can, but only because I've seen it so many times I've found the handful of places that give it away slightly (Her feet don't look quite right touching the ground).
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 02:01:42 AMI can't wait for Transformers 3, because a few months later another effects movie will come out with plot, characters, and better effects. Transformers came out, then we got Cloverfield, which I thought was much more convincing. Rise of the Fallen came out, and then we got District 9, which actually fooled me in places.
Transformers cgi is the best I've seen so far.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 22, 2009, 03:19:26 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 22, 2009, 03:19:26 AM
Just got out of the 16 min of Avatar footage at IMAX. First I will say the 3D projectors at IMAX aren't the best out there, so there was some eye adjustment that needed to take place before my brain was in complete compliance.
Once that was done, I didn't even think about it anymore.
I know it's going to be hard to believe me when you guys have seen the trailer, BUT..... The Na'vi characters look effing real. I'm not sure why, but this isn't evident in the online trailer. The emotion and even movements look very very real. I've never seen CG look that convincing.
I saw clips with them in a lab with Weavers character, but it was mostly the Pandora world. There are scenes with creature chases which are quite impressive. Everything is so believable, that is probably the best way to put it.
They also showed an extended trailer that was just....awesome.
With the initial online trailer I was not sold on the Na'vi characters, but that completely changed after watching these clips. They have a ton of emotion and are actually kind cool in a Last of the Mohicans kind of way.
Sorry for typos. On iPhone on our way home. :P
Once that was done, I didn't even think about it anymore.
I know it's going to be hard to believe me when you guys have seen the trailer, BUT..... The Na'vi characters look effing real. I'm not sure why, but this isn't evident in the online trailer. The emotion and even movements look very very real. I've never seen CG look that convincing.
I saw clips with them in a lab with Weavers character, but it was mostly the Pandora world. There are scenes with creature chases which are quite impressive. Everything is so believable, that is probably the best way to put it.
They also showed an extended trailer that was just....awesome.
With the initial online trailer I was not sold on the Na'vi characters, but that completely changed after watching these clips. They have a ton of emotion and are actually kind cool in a Last of the Mohicans kind of way.
Sorry for typos. On iPhone on our way home. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Aug 22, 2009, 05:13:37 AM
Post by: Huol on Aug 22, 2009, 05:13:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 03:04:04 AM
I can, but only because I've seen it so many times I've found the handful of places that give it away slightly (Her feet don't look quite right touching the ground).
Aaaaaand you've ruined it for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 22, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 22, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 22, 2009, 03:19:26 AM
Just got out of the 16 min of Avatar footage at IMAX. First I will say the 3D projectors at IMAX aren't the best out there, so there was some eye adjustment that needed to take place before my brain was in complete compliance.
It took me a while for my eyes to adjust to My Bloody Valentine 3D. Only movie I've seen in 3D.
Good to hear that everything was extremely positive, seems to be the concensus with everyone who has seen the 3D footage.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 08:04:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: Huol on Aug 22, 2009, 05:13:37 AMNooooo ... !
Aaaaaand you've ruined it for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 22, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 22, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 22, 2009, 11:45:23 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 22, 2009, 11:45:23 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV2650 on Aug 22, 2009, 11:46:55 AM
Post by: EEV2650 on Aug 22, 2009, 11:46:55 AM
This movie is going to be dope, G 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 22, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 22, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
Just saw the 20 minute preview yesterday and it was freaking amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 22, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 22, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 22, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
Just saw the 20 minute preview yesterday and it was freaking amazing.
Right, me too. The 15 mn footage was just breath taking. The trailer just confuse ppl.
The glowing Pandora was one of the most beautifull things a have ever seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 22, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 22, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
It's strange how much better it looked in the 16 min of stereoscopic clips. I agree the online trailer just made people scoff at the hype around the CG and dislike the Na'vi "Thundercats" :P. (I wasn't thrilled about them either, but that has changed). Also, it doesn't have that "cartoon" feel that the online trailer has. It looks and feels like real actors. I swear at some points I wondered if they were using people in make-up but the physique of the Na'vi are too disproportionate to humans to be real actors. The part when they are on the cliff-side about to go wrangle those Pterodactyl things is where I was thinking that.
Apparently all the clips were from the first half of the movie, btw, to not reveal any spoilers.
There was a Jurassic Park moment in there with some crazy creature chase scenes. ;D
I thought they were supposed to show the game in 3-D too, but I didn't get any of those clips during my viewing.
Apparently all the clips were from the first half of the movie, btw, to not reveal any spoilers.
There was a Jurassic Park moment in there with some crazy creature chase scenes. ;D
I thought they were supposed to show the game in 3-D too, but I didn't get any of those clips during my viewing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 22, 2009, 05:57:05 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 22, 2009, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Aug 21, 2009, 04:01:50 PMHelicopter ChaseQuote from: Alienseseses on Aug 21, 2009, 02:47:55 PMBefore I delve into a maddening search for that particular song, you know what its called off-hand?
And the music is from 28 weeks later
Anyway, as I said, I didn't see the long preview as I'm in Israel, but I think the effects are not 100% finished in the previews.
Are any of the people in the teaser CG?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 09:59:51 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 22, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7589/300032press01001.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1798/300032press06001.jpg
Matrix Revolution much?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 22, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 22, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
Meh. Didn't impress. Mech's look cool.
blue cat people look like ass IMO
blue cat people look like ass IMO
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 09:59:51 PMWhich ripped on the powerloader in the first place.
Matrix Revolution much?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 23, 2009, 12:01:52 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 23, 2009, 12:01:52 AM
But they had super machine guns.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 12:08:44 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 12:08:44 AM
Eh. It's all ripping off Starship Troopers anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: randy4321 on Aug 23, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
Post by: randy4321 on Aug 23, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
What is this movie even about? Is it based on the show? It sure doesnt look like it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 12:45:36 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 12:45:36 AM
No, it's not based on the show. M Night Shyamalan's doing that movie, and it's called The Last Airbender.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
Goddamn that stupid Avatar cartoon, every time I mention it to somebody, they go "Is it based on the cartoon?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: randy4321 on Aug 23, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
Post by: randy4321 on Aug 23, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 12:47:45 AMWell sorry I thought it was the same movie just redone or something, sorry..
Goddamn that stupid Avatar cartoon, every time I mention it to somebody, they go "Is it based on the cartoon?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 01:01:26 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 01:01:26 AM
I never knew that kiddie little Saturday morning cartoon had such a reach until all this confusion. :P I remember seeing it on TV some whilst channel surfing, and played the Wii game once. Then I remember I got corrected once by someone on this site for calling it anime, lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Aug 23, 2009, 01:05:28 AM
Post by: severen76 on Aug 23, 2009, 01:05:28 AM
It is Anime ..right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 01:13:51 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 01:13:51 AM
No. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 23, 2009, 02:10:29 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 23, 2009, 02:10:29 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2009, 11:54:49 PMQuote from: PHANTOM on Aug 22, 2009, 09:59:51 PMWhich ripped on the powerloader in the first place.
Matrix Revolution much?
Ok, but atleast it didn't look like the powerloader that much. I never looked that those machines and thought "oh cool the powerloader from Aliens" to me they look very different. One is used to pick up cargo and the other is used for combat. The one in Avatar looks 90% like the ones in the Matrix. I mean the only difference is that dome protecting the soliders in Avatar. It has the same color, same looking guns, heck for a second it looks I'm watching the 3rd Matrix film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 23, 2009, 02:46:34 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 23, 2009, 02:46:34 AM
The trailer look amazing, not as mind blowing as I thought it would be but still awesome looking neverless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 06:42:18 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 06:42:18 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 23, 2009, 02:46:34 AM
The trailer look amazing, not as mind blowing as I thought it would be but still awesome looking neverless.
I'm keep saying that the mind blowing part is the 3D!
2D Trailer = Amazing
3D 15 min footage = Ming F**ing blowing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sgt.Torque Reikan on Aug 23, 2009, 07:05:37 AM
Post by: Sgt.Torque Reikan on Aug 23, 2009, 07:05:37 AM
where do you go for the footage?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
3D screens: Some are good like he first 5-6, and the other just not as mutch...
*3D glasses required*
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: joshallan on Aug 23, 2009, 09:31:20 AM
Post by: joshallan on Aug 23, 2009, 09:31:20 AM
i heard that it had the biggest budget of any film ever apparently but i think that the weird blue aliens are like smurfs with gigantism and arent all that threatening cosidering that all the humans are pretty much aliens mariens ripoffs
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 23, 2009, 11:22:58 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 23, 2009, 11:22:58 AM
My god this looks f**king amazing!
I don't care if people think the C.G.I looks shit and "cartoony," in my eyes that looks so real!
I'd like to see the people who complain do a better job.
I don't care if people think the C.G.I looks shit and "cartoony," in my eyes that looks so real!
I'd like to see the people who complain do a better job.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 23, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 23, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 23, 2009, 02:10:29 AMApart from being bipedal power suits, they don't look much alike at all. Besides which, the 'robotic suit' thing is old as hell. Avatar is no more ripping off The Matrix 3 than Aliens was ripping off all the ones before it.
The one in Avatar looks 90% like the ones in the Matrix. [...] same looking guns
Different feet, different cabin, different arms, different guns (The Avatar ones have a hand-held gun, not built in) ...only the most rudimentary glance would tell you that they were the same machine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
3D screens: Some are good like he first 5-6, and the other just not as mutch...
*3D glasses required*
Nice attempt, but people looking at these that haven't seen the IMAX footage will just further think that it's gimmicky. The 3D effect used here is nothing like the real thang. I'm curious how they obtained this. Considering how bad they look, they may even just be made with still 2D images converted to a red/cyan "3D" image which is even worse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 23, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 23, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 23, 2009, 11:22:58 AMI'd like to see the people who complain do a better job.
Yeah, because all the people who don't like it work with special effects for a living. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 23, 2009, 04:56:50 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Aug 23, 2009, 11:22:58 AMI'd like to see the people who complain do a better job.
Yeah, because all the people who don't like it work with special effects for a living. ::)
With that much money to spend I expect them to make it like they praised it to be... what its supposed to be, which is... photorealism. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
You shoulda watched the IMAX footage. Most people that have says this:
1.) The online trailer looks a little cartoony.
2.) The IMAX footage looks significantly better.
3.) The Naavi are still very blue. :)
1.) The online trailer looks a little cartoony.
2.) The IMAX footage looks significantly better.
3.) The Naavi are still very blue. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
I have watched the 15 min footage and here's what i have to say:
1) The Trailer is 8/10
2) The Footage is 18/10 (yes it's that big of a difference)
3) The movement and CG in 3D are just un f**king belivable.
4) The best movie of the year.
5) Naytri is HOT!
6) The best movie of the year
1) The Trailer is 8/10
2) The Footage is 18/10 (yes it's that big of a difference)
3) The movement and CG in 3D are just un f**king belivable.
4) The best movie of the year.
5) Naytri is HOT!
6) The best movie of the year
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
I have watched the 15 min footage and here's what i have to say:
1) The Trailer is 8/10
2) The Footage is 18/10 (yes it's that big of a difference)
3) The movement and CG in 3D are just un f**king believable.
4) The best movie of the year.
5) Naytri is HOT!
6) The best movie of the year
1,&2,&3, I'll give you that.
4, You haven't even seen it.
5, No a blue thundercat is not "HOT".
6, Again, you haven't seen it.
Don't get excited, might be the biggest flop of the year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 08:29:13 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 08:29:13 PM
I don't know, everybody have different opinion and view. For me Neytri is just Amazingly hot. And from what i saw in that 15 minutes, it's already in 2nd place for best movie of 2009, right after Star Trek. And i'm 80% sure that Avatar will be even better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:31:54 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:31:54 PM
I perfected the 3D screenshots to the max
(they are huge)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9573/avatar1rfn.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6235/avatar2aun.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6091/avatar3o.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8184/avatar4cyc.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4411/avatar6l.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6769/avatar7pyz.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7404/avatar8xvq.jpg
(they are huge)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9573/avatar1rfn.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6235/avatar2aun.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6091/avatar3o.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8184/avatar4cyc.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4411/avatar6l.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6769/avatar7pyz.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7404/avatar8xvq.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 08:29:13 PMYou saw fifteen minutes of a two hour film. That's like watching the FPS sequence of Doom and calling it a faithful adaptation of the game :-\
And from what i saw in that 15 minutes, it's already in 2nd place for best movie of 2009, right after Star Trek.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 23, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 23, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
Putting Sasha Grey on in the background while reading the thread helps contextual translation immensely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Aug 23, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
Post by: MrLee on Aug 23, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
i love Camerons work.
I was excited he was making a new movie. Till i found out it was an adaptation of that cartoon series.
Fail.
I was excited he was making a new movie. Till i found out it was an adaptation of that cartoon series.
Fail.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 10:42:42 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 10:42:42 PM
NO ITS NOT.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 23, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 23, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: mrlee on Aug 23, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
I was excited he was making a new movie. Till i found out it was an adaptation of that cartoon series.
No, that's his other project. Battle Angel.
Quote from: mrlee on Aug 23, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
Fail.
Quite. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:38:02 PMQuote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 08:29:13 PMYou saw fifteen minutes of a two hour film. That's like watching the FPS sequence of Doom and calling it a faithful adaptation of the game :-\
And from what i saw in that 15 minutes, it's already in 2nd place for best movie of 2009, right after Star Trek.
Actually the movie is confrmed 3 hours and 6 minutes :D
And this 5 scenes that hey show us, where better than the whole Transformers, Terminator Salvation, G.I Joe, Iron man, Watchmen together (and i'm not big fan of Cameron! Only Titanic). So i'm sayng that this movie is so good not only beacuse the effects, but beacuse in that 15 minutes, i felt the characters and the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:51:41 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM...guess who's not seeing this in theaters!
Actually the movie is confrmed 3 hours and 6 minutes :D
QuoteSo i'm sayng that this movie is so good not only beacuse the effects, but beacuse in that 15 minutes, i felt the characters and the movie.But you saw them out of context, and there's another 2 hrs 51 minutes that might suck complete ass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 23, 2009, 11:03:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 23, 2009, 11:03:39 PM
I hate how people are getting this movie confused with the cartoon. I wish this cameout before the show did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Aug 23, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
Post by: MrLee on Aug 23, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
so its not a bunch of stick fighting cheesers with weirdly designed creatures?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 11:12:50 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 23, 2009, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:51:41 PMQuote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM...guess who's not seeing this in theaters!
Actually the movie is confrmed 3 hours and 6 minutes :D
Me! :o...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 23, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: mrlee on Aug 23, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
so its not a bunch of stick fighting cheesers with weirdly designed creatures?
It is, but none of that was the cartoon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 23, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 23, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2009, 10:51:41 PMQuote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM...guess who's not seeing this *ever!*
Actually the movie is confrmed 3 hours and 6 minutes :D
[thumbs]This guy![/thumbs]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 23, 2009, 11:37:22 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 23, 2009, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: mrlee on Aug 23, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
so its not a bunch of stick fighting cheesers with weirdly designed creatures?
Ohhhhhh, you mean Avatar: The Last Airbender. I thought you were talking about James Cameron's other project 'Battle Angel', based on the manga/anime 'Battle Angel Alita.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 23, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 23, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 23, 2009, 03:25:37 PMQuote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
3D screens: Some are good like he first 5-6, and the other just not as mutch...
*3D glasses required*
Nice attempt, but people looking at these that haven't seen the IMAX footage will just further think that it's gimmicky. The 3D effect used here is nothing like the real thang. I'm curious how they obtained this. Considering how bad they look, they may even just be made with still 2D images converted to a red/cyan "3D" image which is even worse.
Someone probably just did a photoshop effect to the photos.
I remember doing this a few time to a few projects I did, it's pretty easy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 24, 2009, 12:42:05 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 24, 2009, 12:42:05 AM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 23, 2009, 10:49:37 PM
Actually the movie is confrmed 3 hours and 6 minutes :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffitsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F12%2Fsurprised-face.jpg&hash=e7c211b33043aed71d1813358f8123365a66c8f4)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 24, 2009, 03:41:16 AM
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 24, 2009, 03:41:16 AM
Well, assholes sat through Lord of the Rings, so I am sure people will sit through this as well. I would advise that people not go see this late at night.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2009, 05:20:26 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2009, 05:20:26 AM
Or to take in a drink.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 24, 2009, 06:04:09 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 24, 2009, 06:04:09 AM
I love watching long movies.
And Cameron's are always 150 mins + anyways
So I already knew that this was gonna be a long movie.
Bring it!
And Cameron's are always 150 mins + anyways
So I already knew that this was gonna be a long movie.
Bring it!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 07:13:59 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 07:13:59 AM
I barely managed to watch the extended edition of Watchmen...in my own home, I would die in a theatre so I'm gonna see this movie when it premiers on TV which is over 4 to 5 years.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 24, 2009, 07:17:35 AM
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 24, 2009, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 24, 2009, 07:13:59 AM
So I'm gonna see this movie when it premiers on TV which is over 4 to 5 years.
::), I doubt that, when it comes out on dvd you'll probably give it a rent or buy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 08:32:03 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 08:32:03 AM
Quote from: ApeShallNeverKillApe on Aug 24, 2009, 07:17:35 AMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 24, 2009, 07:13:59 AM
So I'm gonna see this movie when it premiers on TV which is over 4 to 5 years.
::), I doubt that, when it comes out on dvd you'll probably give it a rent or buy.
I never rent, don't even have a pass, and I hardly ever buy dvd's, only the classics like Predator, Aliens etc. the only new modern movie I bought was Dark Knight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: joshallan on Aug 24, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
Post by: joshallan on Aug 24, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
And btw all those guys talking about the bipedal power suit things being the same as those on the matrix im pretty sure that even the mighty aliens ripped that idea of something else although i have no proof
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 24, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 24, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Man we were all so excited and then the trailer hit and now eveyrone seems to be crying over it. Wah, wah, wah! We all know this film is going to be exactly what the cinema was made for, so why all this negativity?
Can't we trust the guy who brought us Aliens, Abyss, Terminator, True Lies and Titanic to give us another classic? Because I know I can.
Don't doubt it until you've seen the film. This teaser will be nothing compared to the full 3D experience.
Can't we trust the guy who brought us Aliens, Abyss, Terminator, True Lies and Titanic to give us another classic? Because I know I can.
Don't doubt it until you've seen the film. This teaser will be nothing compared to the full 3D experience.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 24, 2009, 02:20:13 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 24, 2009, 02:20:13 PM
Its just a bunch of internet fanboyism, so I wouldn't be too surprised. Happens with like EVERY movie. Heck it happens with just about every topic on the interwebz. It's one thing to be unimpressed, but it's another thing to troll a thread just because of your dislike for anything Cameron.
BTW - The online Avatar trailer shattered download records.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=58295
BTW - The online Avatar trailer shattered download records.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=58295
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 02:26:19 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 24, 2009, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 24, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Man we were all so excited and then the trailer hit and now eveyrone seems to be crying over it. Wah, wah, wah! We all know this film is going to be exactly what the cinema was made for, so why all this negativity?
Speak for yourself mate. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 24, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 24, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
That's all we should do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 12:20:58 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 12:20:58 AM
Quoteso why all this negativity?
Cos this was hyped out the wazoo, and fell well short.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 01:32:13 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 01:32:13 AM
It was hyped by people that saw it in 3D. I still have no idea what people were expecting anyways, especially people that call Cameron's movies nothing but "average cliche action films w/ bad pacing". I'm a fan of his movies and even I had more realistic expectations, obviously.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 25, 2009, 01:39:17 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 25, 2009, 01:39:17 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 01:32:13 AM
realistic expectations.
Thats very hard for alot of people who sit behind their computer all day to understand. Have mercy on them, it's all they got :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:10:59 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:10:59 AM
QuoteIt was hyped by people that saw it in 3D. I still have no idea what people were expecting anyways, especially people that call Cameron's movies nothing but "average cliche action films w/ bad pacing". I'm a fan of his movies and even I had more realistic expectations, obviously.
Bollocks. This has been touted by the studio as "groundbreaking" since it was greenlit, and Cameron has said the perfect mix of live action and CGI will leave the audience with "no idea which they're looking at". Sorry, but the Thundercats were obviously CG.
Quote"This will launch an entire new way of seeing and exhibiting movies," said Jim Gianopulos, co-chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. "It's once again Jim is transforming the medium. Jim's not just a filmmaker; every one of his films have pushed the envelope, in its aesthetic and in technology. This is an astounding undertaking, and one only Jim could do justice to."
Oddly enough this was before a frame had been shot - sorry I suppose "rendered" is a better word, and not by someone who's overhyped it by seeing it in 3D. ::)
I'm still eager to see how this turns out, but it hasn't matched the hype thus far.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:15:47 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:15:47 AM
I'm just disappointed by how CGI'y everything looked after Cambo touted how you wouldn't be able to tell. The CGI is itself not bad at all, the detail is awesome. But you can still tell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:19:37 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:19:37 AM
That's the thing.
You can call it good CGI, but is it that good when you can tell it's CGI? I think the real test will be how it stands up in the context of the film. I knew Gollum was CG, but I found the character so believable within the film, that him being CG was a complete non-issue and I forgot about it.
You can call it good CGI, but is it that good when you can tell it's CGI? I think the real test will be how it stands up in the context of the film. I knew Gollum was CG, but I found the character so believable within the film, that him being CG was a complete non-issue and I forgot about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:24:19 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:24:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:10:59 AM
Bollocks. This has been touted by the studio as "groundbreaking" since it was greenlit, and Cameron has said the perfect mix of live action and CGI will leave the audience with "no idea which they're looking at". Sorry, but the Thundercats were obviously CG.
So a Fox executive or a member of the team hyped it? So what? That happens with every single film ever made. Ever.
I am talking about the people, unrelated to the film crew, that saw it. They are the ones with the praise, ahem... hyping.
Also if Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, and Peter Jackson all were plugging their own movies, I wouldn't think a second about it. But when they are all praising another director's work, that says something a bit different.
Overhyped? Maybe. "Falling way short"? All in the eye of the beholder, but it's clear some of the industry veterans and the people that actually got the chance to see it in 3D were impressed and not disappointed. Including me. I didn't even like the Thundercats, I even found it funny when you referenced them as such. But I can tell you that has changed after given some screen time with them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
QuoteI am talking about the people, unrelated to the film crew, that saw it. They are the ones with the praise, ahem... hyping.
Well I wasn't. I was talking about hype that was coming out of the studio and Cameron himself.
He claimed we wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Which turned out not to be accurate.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:56:13 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:56:13 AM
In the footage I saw in 3D, I can safely say that it is a level of CGI that I've never seen before. His claim was pretty close, which in my opinion is far from "falling way short."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 03:10:06 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 03:10:06 AM
It either looks real or it doesn't. Like being "a little bit pregnant".
Is the stuff in the trailer before we saw the Thundercats all CGi as well (environments and characters)? If so then THAT looked real. A definate step forward from stuff like Polar Express and Beowulf.
Is the stuff in the trailer before we saw the Thundercats all CGi as well (environments and characters)? If so then THAT looked real. A definate step forward from stuff like Polar Express and Beowulf.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 03:49:51 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 03:49:51 AM
It looks real in the footage I saw. It does not look as realistic in the trailer. 100% real I can't say as they are disproportionate blue aliens. But it's very convincing. I suggest just watching it when it releases and form an opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 04:41:01 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 04:41:01 AM
Already suggested that.
"I think the real test will be how it stands up in the context of the film."
But do they look like real disproportionate blue aliens?
"I think the real test will be how it stands up in the context of the film."
Quote100% real I can't say as they are disproportionate blue aliens.
But do they look like real disproportionate blue aliens?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
To be honest, I think this movie will do real well with the critic's, but as for the world's view, not to sure. Oh, and from what I've seen of the trailers, this movie reminds me of, "Dances With Wolves", but with a Sci-fi twist.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 10:15:47 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 10:15:47 AM
Empire cover:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg528.imageshack.us%2Fimg528%2F3796%2Fsmall244.jpg&hash=2eadbd3c64d2792831e8a93f0b2feeccdc7fbf93)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg528.imageshack.us%2Fimg528%2F3796%2Fsmall244.jpg&hash=2eadbd3c64d2792831e8a93f0b2feeccdc7fbf93)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
"How His New Sci-fi Epic Will Change Cinema Forever."
That's a bold statement.
That's a bold statement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: ApeShallNeverKillApe on Aug 25, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
"How His New Sci-fi Epic Will Change Cinema Forever."
That's a bold statement.
"The movie event of the decade" ::) I absolutely have nothing to say to that...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 25, 2009, 10:54:51 AMQuote from: ApeShallNeverKillApe on Aug 25, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
"How His New Sci-fi Epic Will Change Cinema Forever."
That's a bold statement.
"The movie event of the decade" ::) I absolutely have nothing to say to that...
Obvioulsy you hanvent seen the 3D footage. This movie is something i have never seen before (and in the good way)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
Someone taped one of the scenes showed on 3D:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:19:31 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:19:31 PM
Quote
But do they look like real disproportionate blue aliens?
Lol, yeah I guess you could say they do. There's one scene I remember distinctly from the the footage that is definitely as good as body make-up, except it's a disproportionate body-type so seeing that level of quality that looks like make-up but actually being CG was quite impressive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:46:19 PMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 25, 2009, 10:54:51 AMQuote from: ApeShallNeverKillApe on Aug 25, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
"How His New Sci-fi Epic Will Change Cinema Forever."
That's a bold statement.
"The movie event of the decade" ::) I absolutely have nothing to say to that...
Obviously you haven't seen the 3D footage. This movie is something i have never seen before (and in the good way)
No I haven't but to call it the movie event of the decade is a very bold statement as well
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 02:36:09 PM
Post by: Friendly Wise on Aug 25, 2009, 02:36:09 PM
I'm not bashing on the graphics of this movie, because from I've seen of the trailer they look outstanding, and from a lot of the comments posted on YouTube, they are supposedly even better on IMax. I don't know about all the bold statements being made about this movie, but I know that James Cameron rarely disappoints. Anyone remember "Titanic" when it first came out? Everyone was raving about that movie when it first came out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 25, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
No I haven't but to call it the movie event of the decade is a very bold statement as well
It's a cover of a magazine. They say outlandish things to bait and hook on a daily basis. It is a bold statement, however, that will probably not sit well with many people on t3h int3rwEbz. "Movie event of the YEAR" I could see not causing much of a stir, but grouping a decade of movies I think is just asking for trouble, lol. :P ...and they probably know it. :)
Sam Worthington on internet trailer and IMAX reactions:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=58288
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 25, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 25, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
Someone taped one of the scenes showed on 3D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5LyXiFUSbI
Even in ultra crappy quality I can still see that this movie is going to be freakin amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 25, 2009, 03:37:38 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 25, 2009, 03:37:38 PM
Holy freaking christmas, this is going to be amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 07:43:41 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 07:43:41 PM
The whole "has to be 3d to be appreciated" is bullsh*t!, I don't a IMAX and 3d glassed, so for the people who want to watch it at home when it comes out on DVD and blue ray get the not-so-good-CGI version, well... that's f*cking lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
Cameron said himself that the 3D doesn't have any influence on how he makes the movie, he doesn't do shots just for the 3D, the 3D is just a little extra but it shouldn't soften the experience when you watch it in 2D.
That's why i always laugh when people say "Don't bitch you idiot, this is meant for IMAX and 3D, everyone else cant see for what this movie was made for!!", Cameron says otherwise.
So basically, if you don't like the FX in the trailer, you wont like it in the movie and that's it.
That's why i always laugh when people say "Don't bitch you idiot, this is meant for IMAX and 3D, everyone else cant see for what this movie was made for!!", Cameron says otherwise.
So basically, if you don't like the FX in the trailer, you wont like it in the movie and that's it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 25, 2009, 07:43:41 PM
The whole "has to be 3d to be appreciated" is bullsh*t!, I don't a IMAX and 3d glassed, so for the people who want to watch it at home when it comes out on DVD and blue ray get the not-so-good-CGI version, well... that's f*cking lame.
Go to any 3D theater. It doesn't have to be IMAX. In fact, there are better 3D projectors out there in theaters.
I'm happy to want to go to the theater again, personally. I wait for a lot of stuff to come on Blu-Ray because I find the experience better, but here the better experience (for now) will be at the theater.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
So basically, if you don't like the FX in the trailer, you wont like it in the movie and that's it.
I didn't find this to be the case. The 3D footage was much more impressive than I thought it would be (after seeing the trailer). That seems to be the general consensus among the people that saw the trailer first; Trailer was nothing ground-breaking or even a disappointment to some (in regards to visual effects hype), but the 3D footage completely changed their view.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
QuoteI didn't find this to be the case. The 3D footage was much more impressive than I thought it would be (after seeing the trailer). That seems to be the general consensus among the people that saw the trailer first; Trailer was nothing ground-breaking or even a disappointment to some, but the 3D footage completely changed their view.Then Jimmy boy lied that the 3D wont have any influence on the FX, and since i most probably wont get the chance to see this in the theater in 3D he just lost one more viewer.
Thx for that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 08:05:58 PMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 25, 2009, 07:43:41 PM
The whole "has to be 3d to be appreciated" is bullsh*t!, I don't a IMAX and 3d glassed, so for the people who want to watch it at home when it comes out on DVD and blue ray get the not-so-good-CGI version, well... that's f*cking lame.
Go to any 3D theater. It doesn't have to be IMAX. In fact, there are better 3D projectors out there in theaters.
I'm happy to want to go to the theater again, personally. I wait for a lot of stuff to come on Blu-Ray because I find the experience better, but here the better experience (for now) will be at the theater.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
So basically, if you don't like the FX in the trailer, you wont like it in the movie and that's it.
I didn't find this to be the case. The 3D footage was much more impressive than I thought it would be (after seeing the trailer). That seems to be the general consensus among the people that saw the trailer first; Trailer was nothing ground-breaking or even a disappointment to some (in regards to visual effects hype), but the 3D footage completely changed their view.
That's the thing, if you and others claim that the 3D footage is allot better then what the hell do the people get if they never went to see it, "some half-assed" CGI that doesn't compare to the 3D experience, they should have made the quality of the CGI even. that's just lazy if you ask me. They have millions to spend I expect them to make it. It's not gonna be in the theatre for ever damn it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 25, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
Then Jimmy boy lied that the 3D wont have any influence on the FX, and since i most probably wont get the chance to see this in the theater in 3D he just lost one more viewer.
Thx for that.
Well, I'm not sure why one would think the 3D aspect wouldn't add to the presentation, unless one was completely opposed to 3D in general. I don't think the important aspect of storytelling and narrative will be lost in any regard if viewed in two dimensions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
The only thing they can do is to include 3D glasses in the DVD/B-Ray cases, they do work on LCD screens do they?, cause in some games you can turn 3D on if you have Nvidia 3D glasses or something like that. So I'm not sure if they can make that for movies as well. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 09:11:30 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 25, 2009, 09:11:30 PM
The 3D tech for home movie use is only now being standardized. Even if you had a movie that allowed 3D, you would need a capable player (I would imagine a lot of existing players might not be able to handle the load of stereoscopic output), and a TV with a fast enough refresh rate and/or be rated for use with the stereoscopic stream from a player and can be used with polarized glasses (or the TVs that have a built on polarized film making glasses not required). The TVs are slowly hitting the market, but the players and content is a bit further out.
It's possible this movie could help push the market there faster, however.
These are not the days of anaglyph 3D anymore. Newer equipment is required.
It's possible this movie could help push the market there faster, however.
These are not the days of anaglyph 3D anymore. Newer equipment is required.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 25, 2009, 09:28:44 PM
To bad then I'll never get the "full" experience any time soon.::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 25, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 25, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 25, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
Lol. do you have the full empire scans?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 11:25:15 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 11:25:15 PM
QuoteNo I haven't but to call it the movie event of the decade is a very bold statement as well
It is a bold statement, but don't forget that the decade has nearly finished.
QuoteThat's why i always laugh when people say "Don't bitch you idiot, this is meant for IMAX and 3D, everyone else cant see for what this movie was made for!!", Cameron says otherwise.
Yep. He's been rabbiting on about the importance of 'story' at every possible opportunity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 04:39:30 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 04:39:30 AM
James Cameron said most people wouldn't film an intimate two-person story in 3D, but he would.
This is bull. James Cameron would never film an intimate two-person story, in 3D or otherwise.
This is bull. James Cameron would never film an intimate two-person story, in 3D or otherwise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2009, 05:19:21 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2009, 05:19:21 AM
What about an intimate two-person (who are both 1D) story in 3D?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2009, 05:21:49 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2009, 05:21:49 AM
So I guess you don't consider Titanic an intimate, two-person story?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2009, 05:32:59 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2009, 05:32:59 AM
I'd consider it Romeo and Juliet on a boat.
Personally I found The Abyss had a more realistic love story.
Personally I found The Abyss had a more realistic love story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 05:34:00 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 05:34:00 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2009, 05:21:49 AMMost intimate dramas don't tend to end with a ship sinking and several thousand people dying. Just sayin'. :P
So I guess you don't consider Titanic an intimate, two-person story?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2009, 05:48:58 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2009, 05:48:58 AM
But when all the shit was going down, it was still about them. The love story just happened to take place on the ship.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 05:50:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 05:50:45 AM
I know, I know. But it's an intimate drama ... with huge spectacle. I imagined Cameron meant more along the lines of intimate drama of just people, without some spectacular set-piece to set it against.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 26, 2009, 10:38:28 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Aug 26, 2009, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2009, 05:32:59 AMI agree. And I'd even go so far as to argue that The Abyss is even more about its love story than Titanic is.
Personally I found The Abyss had a more realistic love story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 26, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 26, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
I actually agree with you right there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 26, 2009, 05:55:48 PM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 26, 2009, 05:55:48 PM
Wow. Thats...true.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 08:11:48 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PMTo be true, they have a point:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
From what i remember, it isn't the first time Jimmy boy stole a concept for one of his movies...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 26, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 26, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
Empire apparently has some new scans up, but I'm at work and can't get access to them to post them.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 26, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 26, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PMI like to think its just alot of terrible coincidences since the imagery used in both films is, for the most part, contrived and commonly used in depicting fantasy world's and societies such as in Delgo and Avatar.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
For now, I think its just a case of artists not really pushing many boundaries and dipping into the same idea pool for imagery and design in their films.
While Fathom is at it, they should rally every sci-fi/fantasy artist, author, conceptualist, even people on deviant art because apparently Avatar is the first film to rip them all off. Its the 21st century, for the most part we're a culture thats exhausted certain types of imagery and everything produced is just a recycling of things past until something 'new' comes along. There of course exist artists that deliver something fresh but it takes alot of work to establish new ideas since those are considered risky by the moneymen and unfavorable to the idiots they reel into focus testing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 26, 2009, 08:55:27 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 26, 2009, 08:55:27 PM
Didn't Delgo bombed or something like that? IIRC Avatar was in works since 1995 and Delgo was in works since 2006?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:55:27 PMThe article says that Avatar is in production since 2006 and the Delgo website is up since 1998 with concept art and stuff.
Didn't Delgo bombed or something like that? IIRC Avatar was in works since 1995 and Delgo was in works since 2006?
And yes, it bombed, it only made 700.000 $ back with a budget of 40 mil. I don't get your point though, just because the movie bombed its ok to rip it off so blatant? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 26, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 26, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Didn't Cameron write Avatar in 94?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 26, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 26, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 08:11:48 PMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PMTo be true, they have a point:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
From what i remember, it isn't the first time Jimmy boy stole a concept for one of his movies...
You are correct on that sir, and for those of you that don't know, Johnny Handsome is talking about The Terminator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 09:56:16 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2009, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 26, 2009, 09:14:03 PMYes, but the article mentions that the script was re-written after Delgo started posting on the web.
Didn't Cameron write Avatar in 94?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:24:47 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:24:47 AM
Quote from: fluxcap on Aug 26, 2009, 08:38:55 PMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PMI like to think its just alot of terrible coincidences since the imagery used in both films is, for the most part, contrived and commonly used in depicting fantasy world's and societies such as in Delgo and Avatar.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
Exactly. Every comparison shot shown were familiar to past sci-fi/fantasy movies dramatic shots. Nothing tells me that it's a "rip-off", in fact that assumption is quite absurd. Bipedal alien beings, tribal influenced alien races, romantic love interest... Yeah, all sounds sooo original to this "groundbreaking" CGI movie, Delgo. In fact, I guess Delgo should be heralded for all it's first time never before seen ideas. It was totally overlooked as one of the best sci-fi fantasy movies ever created. Forget Star Wars, it's Delgo that changed the way we look at sci-fi/fantasy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 02:34:10 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 02:34:10 AM
There are some very odd similarities with some of those shots though (obviously not the couple holding each other...)
I remember seeing a very similar shot to the floating castle surrounded by rocks in Neverending Story though.
I remember seeing a very similar shot to the floating castle surrounded by rocks in Neverending Story though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:39:24 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:39:24 AM
Yeah, the floating rock/land mass scene was one that raised an eye-brow. In fact, this comparison article was linked a few pages back and that one scene I mentioned was strikingly similar. I don't think the idea is new, but that particular shot shared a similarity. It's still absurd to see a lawsuit rising out of this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 02:41:59 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 02:41:59 AM
Have to wait for the final product.
Wouldn't be the first time for Jimbob.
Wouldn't be the first time for Jimbob.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:48:07 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 27, 2009, 02:48:07 AM
Oh that 'ole Jiminibob..bo.. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 27, 2009, 03:30:55 AM
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 27, 2009, 03:30:55 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14825&count=0
Avatar=Delgo 2:Delgo Harder
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 03:54:48 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2009, 03:54:48 AM
Which will be followed by Delgo 3 - Delgo Hard or Delgo Home.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 28, 2009, 12:25:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 28, 2009, 12:25:56 AM
What about Delgo With a Vengeance?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 28, 2009, 12:25:56 AM
What about Delgo With a Vengeance?
What about Delgo 4.0 ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 28, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 28, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
That would be Delgo Hard or Delgo Home (Live Free or Die Hard).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 28, 2009, 12:44:18 AM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 28, 2009, 12:44:18 AM
Come to think of it, this whole Avatar business has helped Delgo garner some sense of recognition. Hell, I didn't even know it existed till now. Probably the best thing to happen for it cause now people are going to watch it out of curiosity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2009, 01:27:04 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2009, 01:27:04 AM
My sister saw it when it cameout and told me it was meh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 01:35:07 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 01:35:07 AM
It looks worse than meh. Even worse than The Tale of Desperaux.
At least we can look forward to Delgo: Del go, you die
At least we can look forward to Delgo: Del go, you die
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
You Delgo to hell! You Delgo to hell and you die!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:17:54 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:17:54 AM
Delgo Me to Hell
Transformers: Rise of the Delgo
InDelgorious Basterdz
DVG:A- Del vs. Go: Avatar
Delgo 9
Too much?
Transformers: Rise of the Delgo
InDelgorious Basterdz
DVG:A- Del vs. Go: Avatar
Delgo 9
Too much?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 28, 2009, 04:29:43 AM
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 28, 2009, 04:29:43 AM
Not enough
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 04:37:29 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 04:37:29 AM
Reservoir Delgos
The Delgo After Tomorrow
Indelgopendence Day
The Indelgoble Hulk
Dawn of the Delgo
Delgo 2: The Sequel
W.
The Surrogadelgos
Van Delgo
X-Men Origins: Delgorine
Enough yet?
The Delgo After Tomorrow
Indelgopendence Day
The Indelgoble Hulk
Dawn of the Delgo
Delgo 2: The Sequel
W.
The Surrogadelgos
Van Delgo
X-Men Origins: Delgorine
Enough yet?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 28, 2009, 04:42:13 AM
Post by: Spaghetti on Aug 28, 2009, 04:42:13 AM
Too much. You win.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2009, 07:18:49 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2009, 07:18:49 AM
Way too much...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 07:35:04 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 07:35:04 AM
Avadelgotar...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 02:51:57 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 02:51:57 PM
Delgo Vs Penetrator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 02:56:36 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 02:56:36 PM
Me, Myself and Delgo...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
fargodelgo
minority delgoport
kill delgo
delgo
minority delgoport
kill delgo
delgo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
Once upon a time in Delgo
Delgonator
Pirates of the Delgo
For a few Delgo's more
A fistfull of Delgo
Good Delgo Hunting
2 Fast 2 Delgo
Delgo the Barbarian
Delgonator
Pirates of the Delgo
For a few Delgo's more
A fistfull of Delgo
Good Delgo Hunting
2 Fast 2 Delgo
Delgo the Barbarian
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
Delgofield
The Delgo Witch Project
Wait, why are we doing this?
The Delgo Witch Project
Wait, why are we doing this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 03:59:22 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
Delgofield
The Delgo Witch Project
Wait, why are we doing this?
It's fun.
THe Phantom Delgo
Attack of the Delgo's
Revenge of the Delgo
A new Delgo
The Delgo strikes back
Return of the Delgo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 04:37:38 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 04:37:38 PM
Mission Indelgable
That's all I got.
That's all I got.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 28, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 28, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
What's with that spam?
ON TOPIC!: Are the full empire scans online yet? Ot just the images?
ON TOPIC!: Are the full empire scans online yet? Ot just the images?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
Delgo Begins
The Dark Delgo
First Delgo
First Delgo part II: Delgo
EDIT: sorry about going off-topic, it was fun while it lasted
The Dark Delgo
First Delgo
First Delgo part II: Delgo
EDIT: sorry about going off-topic, it was fun while it lasted
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 28, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 28, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
It got old after the first two posts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 28, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 28, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
Back on topic guys.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 28, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
I'm personally less excited for the CG in Avatar, because most of the CG in District 9 seemed photorealistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 28, 2009, 08:15:26 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 28, 2009, 08:15:26 PM
I don't think it looked photorealistic, but it looked good enough that I didn't really think about it. That's all I really want out of Avatar as for as the visuals go.. However, I can say first-hand that the visuals will do more than just allow you to be able to just enjoy the movie. They definitely enhance the experience, from the clips I saw. It will never live up to internet troll standards though, that's for sure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 08:45:08 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 08:45:08 PM
QuoteIt will never live up to internet troll standards though, that's for sure.Lets put it this way, it will never live up to the hype Jimmy boy created by saying "Photorealistic Characters".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 28, 2009, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 08:45:08 PM
Lets put it this way, it will never live up to the hype Jimmy boy created by saying "Photorealistic Characters".
This.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 28, 2009, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 28, 2009, 10:07:54 PM
It's good to come up with a conclusion before seeing the movie. Not troll-like at all. It doesn't matter though. No matter if it looked real, there will always be someone saying it doesn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 10:44:49 PM
QuoteNo matter if it looked real, there will always be someone saying it doesn't.Ever thought about the possibility that when people say "It doesn't look photoreal" it really doesn't look photoreal to them? :-\
I suppose no, cause otherwise you wouldn't come up with the lame "Troll" excuse. You're spending way too much time on IMDB.
I showed the trailer a couple of friends and they all immediately said "That's CG, OH and that's CG", neither was impressed and neither thought it was photoreal... they are all Haters! They don't even know who James Cameron is and they don't give a damn, but hey, they hate him soooo much. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 12:28:51 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 12:28:51 AM
I'm not even a member on IMDB forums.
Anyways, you spend way too much time trying to convince people this movie will be crappy CG. I could care less about your friends and how you said "hey you guys tell me if this CG looks totally the most realistic ever made, cuz I don't think it does so tell me what you think now that I already said it looks fake". If you read my comments, you'd see that I said I wasn't blown away by the CG in the trailer anyways. I saw the IMAX 3D footage, it impressed me and everyone else on the internet.
Anyways, you spend way too much time trying to convince people this movie will be crappy CG. I could care less about your friends and how you said "hey you guys tell me if this CG looks totally the most realistic ever made, cuz I don't think it does so tell me what you think now that I already said it looks fake". If you read my comments, you'd see that I said I wasn't blown away by the CG in the trailer anyways. I saw the IMAX 3D footage, it impressed me and everyone else on the internet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
No-one's saying the CGI is crappy.
But when the entire marketing of the film has been, "The CGI in this movie is photorealistic", and that has become pretty much the sole selling point of the entire project, anything less than photorealism is going to register as a low-point.
It has nothing to do with trolling - We've seen the effects, and they are not what we were promised.
But when the entire marketing of the film has been, "The CGI in this movie is photorealistic", and that has become pretty much the sole selling point of the entire project, anything less than photorealism is going to register as a low-point.
It has nothing to do with trolling - We've seen the effects, and they are not what we were promised.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
QuoteAnyways, you spend way too much time trying to convince people this movie will be crappy CG.See, that's exactly what's wrong with you. A member expresses his opinion on the whole thing and all you can say is "You just want to influence people and make them say Avatar sucks" and that's just stupid.
I did so in no way and i don't come to this site to change anyones opinion, if you love the movie already, that's fine, if you hate it already, fine. I speak for myself here, and i couldn't care less if someone loves or hates the shit out of this.
What i do mind though, if someone like you says "Ohh, you don't like it? Haters will be haters!", which is also, very stupid.
I'm not blown away by the things i have seen so far, i was promised photorealistic characters, something that would change cinema forever, something i have never seen before, i didn't get the impression when i saw the trailer, and now you're saying that i want to influence people in a bad way?? :-\
Quote"hey you guys tell me if this CG looks totally the most realistic ever made, cuz I don't think it does so tell me what you think now that I already said it looks fake".You're so lame, all you can do is to put words in peoples mouths so you can get the advantage out of every single argument.
I showed them the trailer on my Full HD 1080p Beamer on a huge screen, with a good sound system because i thought it was cool, i never said anything about the FX, but i told them what Jimmy Bob said about this and all the 3d stuff and blablabla... they werent impressed, they said "Ohh cool, but nothing spectacular".
Now you don't care for my friends, that's cool, but obviously you care for the positive comments on the internet, stating numerous times "Well, people on the net liked it!".
That's also cool, but you only know one way, and that's the "Shut up the people who aren't impressed and praise them who are".
And that's the most Troll like, childish attitude coming from you.
QuoteIf you read my comments, you'd see that I said I wasn't blown away by the CG in the trailer anyways.Yet you say "this will never live up to Troll-like expectations anyway", seriously, what a dumb statement is that?
We were promised all this photorealistic characters, stuff we haven't seen before so good it will change cinema forever etc etc... guess what, we didn't get it! OMFG... don't loose a word about it! Shut up hater! This is James f**king Cameron, i bend over and let him f**k in my ass even if he delivers a black and white movie!
QuoteI saw the IMAX 3D footage, it impressed me and everyone else on the internet.Good for the internet, i have yet to get impressed by Jimmy boy, and until then, i will watch the trailer and continue to express my opinion about it, which you're allowed to cry some more over.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 29, 2009, 02:02:54 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 29, 2009, 02:02:54 AM
The trailer in 3D looks much better and I saw the trailer in 3D today when I saw Final Destination 4.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 29, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 29, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
http://www.joblo.com/avatar-angers-hitler
^^^ Hitler vs. the Avatar trailer. :D :D :D
^^^ Hitler vs. the Avatar trailer. :D :D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 02:09:34 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 02:09:34 AM
Damn shame that i could understand every word they said in the clip.
The translator should be fired ;)
The translator should be fired ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 29, 2009, 03:31:53 AM
Post by: fluxcap on Aug 29, 2009, 03:31:53 AM
I've grown tired of those Hitler mix's but that one had me howling. The bits about remaking Ferngully, Cameron spending "too much time underwater" and Captain Planet brought tears to my eyes. Directors loosing their mind's to hard drives, not bad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 29, 2009, 03:56:55 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 29, 2009, 03:56:55 AM
I never get tired of them lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 29, 2009, 04:18:45 AM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 29, 2009, 04:18:45 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Aug 29, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
http://www.joblo.com/avatar-angers-hitler
^^^ Hitler vs. the Avatar trailer. :D :D :D
roflmao.
I think one of the glaring issues is famous industry folks have been hyping the TECH, not necessarily the movie, and apparently some people can't tell the difference between the two.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2009, 04:42:09 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2009, 04:42:09 AM
I wonder how many enviromental conscious knockoff stories we will get after Avatar?
Blue Gender anyone?
Blue Gender anyone?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Aug 29, 2009, 05:08:46 AM
Post by: Xhan on Aug 29, 2009, 05:08:46 AM
Seeing as Cambo's been humping anime for years with no vaseline, it'll probably be the new vogue, unless this movie fails hard, then we'll simply move on to the next.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:24:23 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:24:23 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
See, that's exactly what's wrong with you. A member expresses his opinion on the whole thing and all you can say is "You just want to influence people and make them say Avatar sucks" and that's just stupid.
...And all you can do is call me a James Cameron fanboy. D:
Quote
I'm not blown away by the things i have seen so far
I said the same about the trailer.. You know, the only thing you've seen from it.
Quote
You're so lame, all you can do is to put words in peoples mouths so you can get the advantage out of every single argument.
Hmm:
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
"Shut up hater! This is James f**king Cameron, i bend over and let him f**k in my ass even if he delivers a black and white movie!" "Shut up the people who aren't impressed and praise them who are".
QuoteI showed them the trailer on my Full HD 1080p Beamer on a huge screen
And I saw it at IMAX...in 3D... Like everyone at Comic Con that was actually impressed. Again, I already stated many times the online trailer didn't knock me off my feet either.
Quote
Yet you say "this will never live up to Troll-like expectations anyway", seriously, what a dumb statement is that?
I have little doubt that, at this point, you could ever change your tune, regardless of the final movie's results.
Quotei have yet to get impressed by Jimmy boy
Shocking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 29, 2009, 05:39:02 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Aug 29, 2009, 05:39:02 AM
It's hilarious to watch this. It really is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:39:22 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:39:22 AM
Yeah. D: :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 29, 2009, 06:38:44 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 29, 2009, 06:38:44 AM
I don't know what to say to any of that...
It is pretty entertaining, but you guys are kind of beating a dead horse.
It is pretty entertaining, but you guys are kind of beating a dead horse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 08:16:36 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 08:16:36 AM
I just dont understand how can you say that the movie is not photorealistic when you saw ONE little TEASER? Before make judgemens, wait at least for the full trailer
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 29, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Aug 29, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
Cameron always makes an engaging movie, no matter how cliched' the characters and/or stories are.
I'm looking forward to this very much.
I'm looking forward to this very much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 09:29:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 08:16:36 AMWhy? The teaser contains ostensibly completed effects shots. They do not look photorealistic. Two minutes, five minutes, the whole movie - Doesn't matter. The shots we've seen aren't what people said they were.
I just dont understand how can you say that the movie is not photorealistic when you saw ONE little TEASER? Before make judgemens, wait at least for the full trailer
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 10:04:06 AM
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 09:29:56 AM
Why? The teaser contains ostensibly completed effects shots. They do not look photorealistic. Two minutes, five minutes, the whole movie - Doesn't matter. The shots we've seen aren't what people said they were.
And that's the bottom line, but the thing I hate most is how Jimmy boy rips everyone off who buys the DVD/blue-ray, and that's just wrong, if you know that it will not look like the "super-duper-3D-IMAX" version then why bother praising it's CGI, not everyone is gonna go see it in IMAX 3D. They should just stop with that stupid 3D gimmick. Normal Silver Screen FTW.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 11:48:10 AM
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 09:29:56 AMQuote from: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 08:16:36 AMWhy? The teaser contains ostensibly completed effects shots. They do not look photorealistic. Two minutes, five minutes, the whole movie - Doesn't matter. The shots we've seen aren't what people said they were.
I just dont understand how can you say that the movie is not photorealistic when you saw ONE little TEASER? Before make judgemens, wait at least for the full trailer
For me they where photorealistic.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg137.imageshack.us%2Fimg137%2F9767%2Favatar4z.jpg&hash=ad5bd64a4c77b8a76b6284db9167982d76cbe97b)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg55.imageshack.us%2Fimg55%2F1008%2Favatar5knx.jpg&hash=07bc089b46aa37aec7405fdd282d553b0f5de897)
In the first pic Jake's avatar is so real, it's like a man in makeup and they went LOTR on him (like they did with Gandalf scenes).
If I saw the second pic, first, I would never say that's complete CG. The whole body is absolutely real, and the face is showing more than real emotion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 12:44:55 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 12:44:55 PM
To me only those feat look pretty real... and that's about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 29, 2009, 12:44:55 PM
To me only those feat look pretty real... and that's about it.
That prove that everybodys vision is different
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:58 PMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 29, 2009, 12:44:55 PM
To me only those feat look pretty real... and that's about it.
That prove that everybodys vision is different
No that proves the Jimmy boy lied to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Quote...And all you can do is call me a James Cameron fanboy.Because you're pretty much behaving like one.
Agreeing with all the "OMG this looks so real" people and those who aren't impressed you call "Haters".
That's pretty fanboyish.
QuoteI said the same about the trailer.. You know, the only thing you've seen from it.I don't have to see more to get sold on the movie, and that's what you don't get.
A trailer is made to get the people to see the movie, to be blown away so you get the motivation to raise your ass out of your couch and go to the movie theater.
A trailer is not being made to say "Well, that looks pretty mediocre in comparison to what we were promised, but that does absolutely nothing mean at all".
QuoteHmm:I get the feeling that's exactly what you think everytime someone doesn't like everything on your holy Avatar.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Today at 03:10:44 AM
"Shut up hater! This is James f**king Cameron, i bend over and let him f**k in my ass even if he delivers a black and white movie!" "Shut up the people who aren't impressed and praise them who are".
QuoteAnd I saw it at IMAX...in 3D... Like everyone at Comic Con that was actually impressed. Again, I already stated many times the online trailer didn't knock me off my feet either.That's good for IMAX and 3D, the thing is, like i already said, the trailer is meant to sell the movie to me, because not everyone gets the chance to go to Avatar day or see this in 3D at all.
I always hear people argue about this trailer being not made for a tiny little computer screen.. hell, what movie is?
I downloaded the trailer in HD, i watched it on my beamer, i watched it on my TV, and it still didn't change anything.
Jimmy boy said it doesn't matter if you watch it in 3D or not, it still should be a great experience, the only thing for people who didn't had the chance to see stuff in 3D so far is the trailer, and we can judge from that, that's what the trailer was made for, to sell the movie on its effects.. it didn't impress me so far, it didn't give me the motivation to go see it. Maybe they release another one.
QuoteI have little doubt that, at this point, you could ever change your tune, regardless of the final movie's results.Again, when i watch a trailer for a movie, the trailer is there to sell the movie to me, it has to wake my interest, the internet trailer didn't do it's job, and since this is the only stuff that i have seen so far and the only stuff they released i can judge it from that, or the FX at least.
QuoteShocking.Indeed.
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Aug 29, 2009, 12:44:55 PMSame here, the feet look very real, the body and head you just see that it's integrated into the shot, its well done, but not photorealistic.
To me only those feat look pretty real... and that's about it.
The second pic for me is the worst shot in the trailer, it looks really videogamish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The One and Only on Aug 29, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
Post by: The One and Only on Aug 29, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
Well, it looks like Der Fuhrer isn't happy with the teaser either. >:(http://www.joblo.com/video/joblo/player.php?video=hitleravatar (http://www.joblo.com/video/joblo/player.php?video=hitleravatar)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 04:11:28 PM
Post by: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 04:11:28 PM
QuoteThe second pic for me is the worst shot in the trailer, it looks really videogamish.
Wow. That is mt favorite shot of it. And in 3D i was even more amazing. How can you see it like videogame. For me it's aboslutley real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
Post by: Moody on Aug 29, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 04:11:28 PMQuoteThe second pic for me is the worst shot in the trailer, it looks really videogamish.
Wow. That is mt favorite shot of it. And in 3D i was even more amazing. How can you see it like videogame. For me it's aboslutley real.
Cause it looks like a World of Warcraft intro movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:46:41 PM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 29, 2009, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Agreeing with all the "OMG this looks so real" people and those who aren't impressed you call "Haters".
That's pretty fanboyish.
No, I said there will always be people that are not satisfied, regardless. Besides, you're dealing with the exact same crap in the Predators thread:
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 26, 2009, 08:05:38 PM
but i really do think sometimes people just want to bitch for the sake of it.
....everytime a new movie gets announced the bitching starts without us even knowing a damn thing about it.
Me personally, i don't say this movie will be great or not because i simply cant, all i can say is i have trust in the crew and the director, some people don't, that's fine too, but the bashing some people do is just plain stupid.
Quote
I don't have to see more to get sold on the movie, and that's what you don't get.
A trailer is made to get the people to see the movie, to be blown away so you get the motivation to raise your ass out of your couch and go to the movie theater.
Coming from the person that admits not liking anything from Cameron.
QuoteHmm:
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Today at 03:10:44 AM
I get the feeling that's exactly what you think everytime someone doesn't like everything on your holy Avatar.
You thought wrong, and also put words in my mouth.
Quote
not everyone gets the chance to go to Avatar day or see this in 3D at all.
Not much I can say except for I'm sorry you won't get to experience it. :(
Quote
Jimmy boy said it doesn't matter if you watch it in 3D or not, it still should be a great experience.
I'm sure it will be, but even a better experience in 3D.
Quote
Again, when i watch a trailer for a movie, the trailer is there to sell the movie to me
Is there an echo in here?
QuoteShocking.
Quote
Indeed.
Please note the sarcasm.
Most importantly:
Quote from: Mikey on Aug 29, 2009, 06:38:44 AM
I don't know what to say to any of that...
It is pretty entertaining, but you guys are kind of beating a dead horse.
We should probably respect the mod. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Aug 29, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
Post by: severen76 on Aug 29, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
Isn't the running time for this close to 3 hours? I honestly don't think I could sit through any 3D film for longer than 2 hours, my eyes were killing during the finale of The Final Destination.
I saw the trailer for Avatar in 3D too. For me the feet are still the most realistic part of the trailer.
I saw the trailer for Avatar in 3D too. For me the feet are still the most realistic part of the trailer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Aug 29, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
...the feet are still the most realistic part of the trailer.
maybe the only part which where shoot in camera... :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 29, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: vortep on Aug 29, 2009, 11:48:10 AMI really can't agree on either account. The foot in our face looks real - The other doesn't, and the head is just all sorts of not-quite there.
In the first pic Jake's avatar is so real, it's like a man in makeup and they went LOTR on him (like they did with Gandalf scenes).
If I saw the second pic, first, I would never say that's complete CG. The whole body is absolutely real, and the face is showing more than real emotion.
Is there a single physical component in the second shot? Not a single thing in it looks real.
Looks great, yes. Looks real, not so much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
QuoteNo, I said there will always be people that are not satisfied, regardless. Besides, you're dealing with the exact same crap in the Predators thread:Yes, because sometimes, it is that way. Sometimes people like to bitch, and sometimes people just want to love.
But i can surely say I'm neither of those, if you get the impression of me disliking this for the sake of it then i have to say i cant change that anyway, and i don't care anymore.
QuoteYou're doing it again, when did i ever say that i dislike everything from Cameron?
Coming from the person that admits not liking anything from Cameron.
QuoteNot much I can say except for I'm sorry you won't get to experience it.You don't have to be sorry, there are more important things in life than Avatar in 3D that i get everyday.
QuoteIs there an echo in here?Just for the people who don't get the idea of a trailer in the first place. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 30, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 30, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
Okay, it's done.
Now don't start with the name calling and insults. Johnny, I modified your post, I don't want to see it again.
Stop repeating yourselves.
Now don't start with the name calling and insults. Johnny, I modified your post, I don't want to see it again.
Stop repeating yourselves.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 30, 2009, 12:27:36 AM
Post by: bobby brown on Aug 30, 2009, 12:27:36 AM
wow You have an awsome sig mikey : )
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 30, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Aug 30, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 30, 2009, 12:27:36 AM
wow You have an awsome sig mikey : )
Thanks, I was actually thinking of changing it...
Now, back on topic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Aug 30, 2009, 04:54:54 AM
Post by: Cellien on Aug 30, 2009, 04:54:54 AM
Mikey's also won a Blu-Ray competition where Sony used his design for a Blu-Ray ad! ;D Skillz dawg, skillz.
But yeah, Avatar. Can't wait, looks great. Trailer not perfect but I'm not going to dwell on that. Still was very interesting and the IMAX 3D footage admittedly took me by surprise and impressed the crapazoids outta me.
But yeah, Avatar. Can't wait, looks great. Trailer not perfect but I'm not going to dwell on that. Still was very interesting and the IMAX 3D footage admittedly took me by surprise and impressed the crapazoids outta me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 02, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 02, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
New Avatar Pic
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Again, not impressed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Sep 02, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Post by: vortep on Sep 02, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Sep 02, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Again, not impressed.
Just f**k you! The trailer was not impressive, yes, but that picture is pure perfection. I don't care if i get banned. I'm a member of this forum since 2007, and 80% of the posts are complaining. I just can't stand it anymore.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 02, 2009, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Sep 02, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Again, not impressed.
Just f**k you! The trailer was not impressive, yes, but that picture is pure perfection. I don't care if i get banned. I'm a member of this forum since 2007, and 80% of the posts are complaining. I just can't stand it anymore.
Look who can't take the critiscim any more.. ::), If you can't stand it, don't come to this thread.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 02, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 02, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
QuoteI assume you would feel a lot better if we just say "Man this is just pure perfection, AWESOME!!"?
Just f**k you! The trailer was not impressive, yes, but that picture is pure perfection. I don't care if i get banned. I'm a member of this forum since 2007, and 80% of the posts are complaining. I just can't stand it anymore.
Stills do always look better than things that are in motion, that is certainly good CGI, but i'm also not impressed by this bad magazine scan.
My biggest beef is just with the design, looks like Garfield and Mystique had sex and this is what they ended up with.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 02, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 02, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 02, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
New Avatar Pic
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv338%2F2122%2Fcinepics05a.jpg&hash=619358f485ad016a620b981e2874c7e2617433b0)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmonsterdonut.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F12%2Fcostume_thundercats.jpg&hash=2bdf7e0065ca165c151eb15da7839b04e2b4c290)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 02, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
^^ ROFL :D
But yeah, Avatars=Tundercats
But yeah, Avatars=Tundercats
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 02, 2009, 02:55:41 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 02, 2009, 02:55:41 PM
I think the movie on full screen would look much better. Nintendo Power already release some screenshots for a video game for the Wii too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 02, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 02, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 02, 2009, 02:20:19 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Sep 02, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
New Avatar Pic
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv338%2F2122%2Fcinepics05a.jpg&hash=619358f485ad016a620b981e2874c7e2617433b0)
http://monsterdonut.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/costume_thundercats.jpg
Indeed.
Lightsourcing = Awesome.
color and tone matching = Not awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 02, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 02, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 02, 2009, 09:31:51 AMLooks solid to me. I think it's cool.
New Avatar Pic
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv338%2F2122%2Fcinepics05a.jpg&hash=619358f485ad016a620b981e2874c7e2617433b0)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Awgustas on Sep 02, 2009, 07:18:57 PM
Post by: Awgustas on Sep 02, 2009, 07:18:57 PM
Can't wait for this. Will go to the premmiere in my country. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Sep 02, 2009, 07:44:54 PM
Post by: Scree on Sep 02, 2009, 07:44:54 PM
I gotta say I like this pic a lot. As long as those pictures don't have that ultra polished high resolution quality those Navi aliens look quite real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 02, 2009, 11:25:19 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 02, 2009, 11:25:19 PM
What the hell is a "Tundercat"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2009, 11:27:57 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2009, 11:27:57 PM
A subcontinental Thundercat.
An antipodean one would be a Chundercat.
An antipodean one would be a Chundercat.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 03, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 03, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
It doesn't look like thundercats to me. And that picture looks very well done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 12:10:53 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 12:10:53 AM
Watching the trailer the first thing that popped into my head was "Thundercats".
Seems I'm not alone.
Seems I'm not alone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 03, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 03, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
Am I alone in thinking this looks genuinely cool?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Doubt it. There's a lot of Cambo apologists around.
As I'm sure I've said, I reserve judgement on the believability of the Thun-... "Na'vi" until I see them in the context of the film. Based solely on the trailer, they're underwhelming.
As I'm sure I've said, I reserve judgement on the believability of the Thun-... "Na'vi" until I see them in the context of the film. Based solely on the trailer, they're underwhelming.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 01:43:05 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 01:43:05 AM
Picture looks cool.
Aaaaand just as many anti-Camerites.
Quote from: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Doubt it. There's a lot of Cambo apologists around.
Aaaaand just as many anti-Camerites.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 01:49:10 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 01:49:10 AM
Possibly. Though I wouldn't include myself among their number.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
I think that the Na'vi design is a bit unimaginative and unoriginal, kinda like blue elves with tails, but the film itself looks kick-ass. Good CGI, seems like an interesting story, awesome looking action scenes, and it has space marines. I LOVE space marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 01:57:36 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 01:57:36 AM
Never woulda guessed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 02:01:35 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 02:01:35 AM
I'm not in love with the Na'vi designs either (I'm also a space marine junky heh). Even when I saw the old Na'vi concept art I wasn't too keen on the design. I will say though from my short 15 min of experience with them, they grow on you quickly. At least emotionally. They still look very blue though. :P
My quote on the Na'vi design from a while back:
My quote on the Na'vi design from a while back:
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 23, 2008, 02:40:08 AMQuote from: Darkoo on Nov 22, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Beautiful Na'vi Concept Art from James Cameron's Avatar!
http://www.firstshowing.net/img2/avatar-navi-concept-NOV-03.jpg
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/11/22/beautiful-navi-concept-art-from-james-camerons-avatar/
Kinda meh to me. :\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
(Da Be Dee)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 02:14:36 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2009, 02:14:36 AM
I hear they will use that song for the credits for this movie and the Smurfs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 04, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 04, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
I just read a interview in the German magazine 'TV Movie'.
There is a little article about Avatar in there, TV Movie correspondent Helen Höhne always makes interviews with Directors and actors, she met Jimmy Boy and saw 20 minutes of Avatar.
Its translated into German so i'm gonna translate it back into English as good as i can:
Höhne: Mr Cameron, after your gigantic hit 'Titanic' everyone expects a new Cinematic miracle, does the movie deliver what it promises?
Cameron: The high expectations and the hype surrounding the project is a blessing and a curse at the same time. On one hand, 'Titanic' allowed me to get the funding to make 'Avatar' happen, on the other hand i have to protect my reputation, that's not easy...
Höhne: Why did it take so long to realize 'Avatar'?
Cameron: I had the idea to make 'Avatar' 14 years ago, long before 'Titanic', but the technique just wasn't ready at the time.
Höhne: Where did you get your inspiration from?
Cameron:I was a huge Sci-Fi fan even when i was a kid, i read a lot of books, draw hundreds of Aliens and UFO's. All that came together in 'Avatar'.
Höhne:Was you always gonna be a filmmaker, or did you have other plans?
Cameron:No, essentially i wanted to be a astronaut because i always dreamed of foreign planets and worlds. 'Avatar' is basically all my dreams i had when i was a child come true.
Höhne:What was the biggest challenge?
Cameron:For this movie, we combined Motion capture with life action footage for the very first time in 3D. No one every did that before. We created something entirely new.
Höhne:How would you describe 'Avatar'?
Cameron: It's a lovestory, within Ex marine Jake gets in love with a Alien warrior and discovers Pandora for what it really is: A beautiful new world, where there is a Harmonie between the ancient population and nature itself.
Höhne:The population of Pandora, the Na'vi, are blue colored, what was the idea behind that?
Cameron:Blue is my favourite color, and i think the color is very spiritual and it reminds of distant worlds. That was important to me, because Pandora is a different world, a moon, that man kind cannot breath on. That's why they have to use an Avatar, a man/Na'vi hybrid, to stay there.
Höhne:And why did you call the Planet 'Pandora'?
Cameron:That comes out of the Greek mythology. Whoever opens Pandora's box, unleashes all human evils. The only thing that's left is hope.
Höhne:The movie seems to be a huge spectacle, how do you see the future of 3D?
Cameron:Very positive. The last years showed us that the viewers love 3D, and therefore are ready to pay an extra buck. In the beginning, everyone worried about the old, traditional 3D glasses that are dated now, but even there the technique made a huge advantage over the last few years. 3D is a new, wonderfull movie experience!
Helen Höhne closing words: To be true, I've seen 20 minutes of Cameron's artificial world, and it looks very, very fake...
So basically, she was underwhelmed as well. She saw the footage in his studio in Santa Monica by the way.
There is a little article about Avatar in there, TV Movie correspondent Helen Höhne always makes interviews with Directors and actors, she met Jimmy Boy and saw 20 minutes of Avatar.
Its translated into German so i'm gonna translate it back into English as good as i can:
Höhne: Mr Cameron, after your gigantic hit 'Titanic' everyone expects a new Cinematic miracle, does the movie deliver what it promises?
Cameron: The high expectations and the hype surrounding the project is a blessing and a curse at the same time. On one hand, 'Titanic' allowed me to get the funding to make 'Avatar' happen, on the other hand i have to protect my reputation, that's not easy...
Höhne: Why did it take so long to realize 'Avatar'?
Cameron: I had the idea to make 'Avatar' 14 years ago, long before 'Titanic', but the technique just wasn't ready at the time.
Höhne: Where did you get your inspiration from?
Cameron:I was a huge Sci-Fi fan even when i was a kid, i read a lot of books, draw hundreds of Aliens and UFO's. All that came together in 'Avatar'.
Höhne:Was you always gonna be a filmmaker, or did you have other plans?
Cameron:No, essentially i wanted to be a astronaut because i always dreamed of foreign planets and worlds. 'Avatar' is basically all my dreams i had when i was a child come true.
Höhne:What was the biggest challenge?
Cameron:For this movie, we combined Motion capture with life action footage for the very first time in 3D. No one every did that before. We created something entirely new.
Höhne:How would you describe 'Avatar'?
Cameron: It's a lovestory, within Ex marine Jake gets in love with a Alien warrior and discovers Pandora for what it really is: A beautiful new world, where there is a Harmonie between the ancient population and nature itself.
Höhne:The population of Pandora, the Na'vi, are blue colored, what was the idea behind that?
Cameron:Blue is my favourite color, and i think the color is very spiritual and it reminds of distant worlds. That was important to me, because Pandora is a different world, a moon, that man kind cannot breath on. That's why they have to use an Avatar, a man/Na'vi hybrid, to stay there.
Höhne:And why did you call the Planet 'Pandora'?
Cameron:That comes out of the Greek mythology. Whoever opens Pandora's box, unleashes all human evils. The only thing that's left is hope.
Höhne:The movie seems to be a huge spectacle, how do you see the future of 3D?
Cameron:Very positive. The last years showed us that the viewers love 3D, and therefore are ready to pay an extra buck. In the beginning, everyone worried about the old, traditional 3D glasses that are dated now, but even there the technique made a huge advantage over the last few years. 3D is a new, wonderfull movie experience!
Helen Höhne closing words: To be true, I've seen 20 minutes of Cameron's artificial world, and it looks very, very fake...
So basically, she was underwhelmed as well. She saw the footage in his studio in Santa Monica by the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
That last line is so over the top that it made that whole interview lose any credit with me. "Very very fake..." Yeah... ok. It's one thing to claim it doesn't look as real as Cameron said it would, it's another to say its "Very very fake" when it's undeniably cutting edge stuff from arguably the best effects studio out there. I would imagine she'd think LotR and King Kong also look "Very very fake" by default then. But, thanks for the interview! :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 04, 2009, 05:55:37 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 04, 2009, 05:55:37 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
That last line is so over the top that it made that whole interview lose any credit with me. "Very very fake..." Yeah... ok. It's one thing to claim it doesn't look as real as Cameron said it would, it's another to say its "Very very fake" when it's undeniably cutting edge stuff from arguably the best effects studio out there. I would imagine she'd think LotR and King Kong also look "Very very fake" by default then. But, thanks for the interview! :)
Maybe it's a rough translation and he didn't have time to find the correct words. ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Maybe, but adding another "very" for good measure definitely doesn't help. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 04, 2009, 08:47:59 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 04, 2009, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Sep 04, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Maybe, but adding another "very" for good measure definitely doesn't help. :P
Maybe he wanted to add more theatricality. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 12:28:33 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 12:28:33 AM
QuoteBut, thanks for the interview!No problem.
QuoteMaybe he wanted to add more theatricality.Nope, i translated the interview as accurate as it can be translated. She says it does look "sehr, sehr künstlich", which would be translated as 'artificial', 'fake', 'synthetic' or 'hokey'. You can choose any of those words, in the end of the day its all the same thing: It just doesn't look real.
I could also scan the whole interview, but since you guys don't speak German it doesn't make much sense does it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2009, 02:37:48 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2009, 02:37:48 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
I think that the Na'vi design is a bit unimaginative and unoriginal, kinda like blue elves with tails, but the film itself looks kick-ass. Good CGI, seems like an interesting story, awesome looking action scenes, and it has space marines. I LOVE space marines.
The only marine is the crippled lead character. The rest are more akin to space security forces or mercenaries.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 05, 2009, 02:49:37 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 05, 2009, 02:49:37 AM
Quote from: James Cameron on Sep 04, 2009, 04:58:31 PMNo shit? :D
Blue is my favourite color
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 02:59:12 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 02:59:12 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi25.tinypic.com%2Fvmy5xh.jpg&hash=1f800894999a1523c000470d166c6c0b5a10e638)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 05, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 05, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 12:28:33 AMQuoteMaybe he wanted to add more theatricality.Nope, i translated the interview as accurate as it can be translated. She says it does look "sehr, sehr künstlich", which would be translated as 'artificial', 'fake', 'synthetic' or 'hokey'. You can choose any of those words, in the end of the day its all the same thing: It just doesn't look real.
I could also scan the whole interview, but since you guys don't speak German it doesn't make much sense does it?
I can read and speak it pretty good, learned it in school. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 06, 2009, 12:24:33 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 06, 2009, 12:24:33 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 02:59:12 AMCool.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi25.tinypic.com%2Fvmy5xh.jpg&hash=1f800894999a1523c000470d166c6c0b5a10e638)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Sep 05, 2009, 07:17:18 PMDann gib mir doch mal eine Kostprobe von deinem wissen.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 12:28:33 AMQuoteMaybe he wanted to add more theatricality.Nope, i translated the interview as accurate as it can be translated. She says it does look "sehr, sehr künstlich", which would be translated as 'artificial', 'fake', 'synthetic' or 'hokey'. You can choose any of those words, in the end of the day its all the same thing: It just doesn't look real.
I could also scan the whole interview, but since you guys don't speak German it doesn't make much sense does it?
I can read and speak it pretty good, learned it in school. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 06, 2009, 05:06:33 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 06, 2009, 05:06:33 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 02:59:12 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi25.tinypic.com%2Fvmy5xh.jpg&hash=1f800894999a1523c000470d166c6c0b5a10e638)
Dude....that cat chick looks freaky, seriously.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 06, 2009, 09:57:58 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 06, 2009, 09:57:58 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi32.tinypic.com%2F34gkkr9.jpg&hash=94dec4f70003fb45622aeb9cfebc9c1868a6ae40)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Sep 06, 2009, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Sep 06, 2009, 12:55:20 PM
I'm sorry but i just cant take this anymore! i feel raped... simple as that! seriously James you have gone from Aliens and Terminator TO THIS!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 06, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 06, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Yes, to something awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: xenomorph36 on Sep 06, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
Post by: xenomorph36 on Sep 06, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
sure the design isnt ground breaking but i'm more concerened about the story and the acting other than anything else. However with what i'm seeing i'm feeling as though there will be some strong character development. (ok i know it's too early to judge just by seeing a trailer but thats just how i felt about it)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 06, 2009, 05:51:22 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 06, 2009, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Sep 05, 2009, 07:17:18 PMDann gib mir doch mal eine Kostprobe von deinem wissen.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 12:28:33 AMQuoteMaybe he wanted to add more theatricality.Nope, i translated the interview as accurate as it can be translated. She says it does look "sehr, sehr künstlich", which would be translated as 'artificial', 'fake', 'synthetic' or 'hokey'. You can choose any of those words, in the end of the day its all the same thing: It just doesn't look real.
I could also scan the whole interview, but since you guys don't speak German it doesn't make much sense does it?
I can read and speak it pretty good, learned it in school. ;)
Lol here it goes, but I didn't figure out the grammer which is hard in German IMO, Mein Name ist Ezio, Ich bin 21 jahre alt un ich studiere multi media. :P That's just a fraction, I know more stuff like ordering food and drinks in restaurants and telling the way to strangers, stuff like that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 06, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 06, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 06, 2009, 05:06:33 AMQuote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 05, 2009, 02:59:12 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi25.tinypic.com%2Fvmy5xh.jpg&hash=1f800894999a1523c000470d166c6c0b5a10e638)
Dude....that cat chick looks freaky, seriously.
Actually I think the problem is she's not freaky enough. These look like furry sex fetish designs, not Aliens evolved on another world, no matter how earth like it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 06, 2009, 06:01:46 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 06, 2009, 06:01:46 PM
Avatar Gameplay Footage!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 07, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 07, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
Not bad looking. Actually looks better than the debut game trailer.
BTW - There is a game thread now for Avatar: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=25472.0
BTW - There is a game thread now for Avatar: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=25472.0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Sep 07, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
Post by: severen76 on Sep 07, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
Thundercats the Game!
lololololololololololol
lololololololololololol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 07, 2009, 05:27:16 PM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 07, 2009, 05:27:16 PM
omg code for sword of thundera?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 07, 2009, 05:31:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 07, 2009, 05:31:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcgamereviews.com%2Ft%2Fthundercats.png&hash=c71e82b018a169f14beb8e7fcb39c48c02643929)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 07, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 07, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 06, 2009, 06:01:46 PM
Avatar Gameplay Footage!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aksj_G-JKFc
I'm so getting this game!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 07, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 07, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2009, 02:37:48 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
I think that the Na'vi design is a bit unimaginative and unoriginal, kinda like blue elves with tails, but the film itself looks kick-ass. Good CGI, seems like an interesting story, awesome looking action scenes, and it has space marines. I LOVE space marines.
The only marine is the crippled lead character. The rest are more akin to space security forces or mercenaries.
Wait a second. Space private contractors? Where did you get that info. From what I've read, there are plenty of Marines. If they are space private contractors: whiskey tango foxtrot; wtf; what the f**k?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2009, 09:31:37 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2009, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 07, 2009, 09:07:06 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2009, 02:37:48 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
I think that the Na'vi design is a bit unimaginative and unoriginal, kinda like blue elves with tails, but the film itself looks kick-ass. Good CGI, seems like an interesting story, awesome looking action scenes, and it has space marines. I LOVE space marines.
The only marine is the crippled lead character. The rest are more akin to space security forces or mercenaries.
Wait a second. Space private contractors? Where did you get that info. From what I've read, there are plenty of Marines. If they are space private contractors: whiskey tango foxtrot; wtf; what the f**k?
The old scriptment.
Since I recall Pandora being corporate run, it makes sense.
The main character is a marine though.
Nowadays any soldier carrying a weapon in space is a marine thanks to all the media that uses marines in space. Aliens, Halo, StarCraft, Warhammer 40,000. etc
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 09, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 09, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
Jake and Worthington comparison
This is indeed revolutionary. Look at the cheek movement. Real actor's performance here, not a pure animation. 8)
This is indeed revolutionary. Look at the cheek movement. Real actor's performance here, not a pure animation. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 09, 2009, 05:14:07 PM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 09, 2009, 05:14:07 PM
Actually i was gonna say the opposite. when he leans down and in and puts his hand on the glass, it's WAY too smooth. Most people move "into" movement with a head motion and leading limb and let the rest follow behind. The lighting is still off.
Definitely a step up, but I'm not seeing the second coming of Jesus McMoses von Muhammad-Buddhastein.
Definitely a step up, but I'm not seeing the second coming of Jesus McMoses von Muhammad-Buddhastein.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 09, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 09, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
James Cameron Wants to F*ck "Avatar" Creatures
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15007&count=0
Well, the female Na'vi certainly looked beautiful. :D
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15007&count=0
Well, the female Na'vi certainly looked beautiful. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 09, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 09, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
Ewwww....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 09, 2009, 07:52:59 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 09, 2009, 07:52:59 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Sep 09, 2009, 07:10:17 PMNow, he didn't just failed to impress me with the effects but now he wants me to have sex with that Garfield/Mystique bastardization?
James Cameron Wants to F*ck "Avatar" Creatures
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15007&count=0
Ohh Jimmy boy...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Sep 09, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: Vanski on Sep 09, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
That news made me hysterically laughing ;D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 09, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 09, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
This news makes me dislike Jimmy boy allot. :-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Post by: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Well, when I watched the 15 minutes Avatar day footage, all I thought was how sexy Neytiri is and that I want to F**k her. Believe me in 3D and in a full scene where you see her move like an absolute real person, all you can think is how sexy she is. I have asked some of my friends that was on that screening and they share the same opinion. Believe me, in the trailer you just can't feel her, but in a full scene she is amazingly hot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 09, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 09, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PMNo thx, i prefer real woman over computer animated, blue pixies.
Well, when I watched the 15 minutes Avatar day footage, all I thought was how sexy Neytiri is and that I want to F**k her. Believe me in 3D and in a full scene where you see her move like an absolute real person, all you can think is how sexy she is. I have asked some of my friends that was on that screening and they share the same opinion. Believe me, in the trailer you just can't feel her, but in a full scene she is amazingly hot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 09, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 09, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Well, when I watched the 15 minutes Avatar day footage, all I thought was how sexy Neytiri is and that I want to F**k her. Believe me in 3D and in a full scene where you see her move like an absolute real person, all you can think is how sexy she is. I have asked some of my friends that was on that screening and they share the same opinion. Believe me, in the trailer you just can't feel her, but in a full scene she is amazingly hot.
Get help.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 12:06:52 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 12:06:52 AM
No, tell Jimbob.
He'll develop groin attachments in addition to the 3D goggles.
He'll develop groin attachments in addition to the 3D goggles.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2009, 12:39:07 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2009, 12:39:07 AM
He can revolutionise the porn industry at the same time! Everyone wins!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 12:45:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 12:45:47 AM
Depends on the warranty. They could get worn out real quick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 10, 2009, 01:25:04 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 10, 2009, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Well, when I watched the 15 minutes Avatar day footage, all I thought was how sexy Neytiri is and that I want to F**k her. Believe me in 3D and in a full scene where you see her move like an absolute real person, all you can think is how sexy she is. I have asked some of my friends that was on that screening and they share the same opinion. Believe me, in the trailer you just can't feel her, but in a full scene she is amazingly hot.
I saw her/it in 3D as well and had no desire to f*ck..it.... her. That alien. But hey.. I'm married, that could be the problem. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 02:54:46 AM
Post by: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 02:54:46 AM
Pfft... There's only one blue chick who'd get it.
And I know you guys know who it is.
And I know you guys know who it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 02:56:54 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 02:56:54 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightsaberarchives.org%2Fdokuwiki%2Flib%2Fexe%2Ffetch.php%2Fsaberwiki%3Aswcreators%3Aaayla_secura%3Aaayla.jpg%3Fw%3D200%26amp%3Bh%3D%26amp%3Bcache%3Dcache&hash=cd5d7fc940e75b57179c678e33ccfde7031d41ec)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 10, 2009, 03:00:17 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Sep 10, 2009, 03:00:17 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvgasm.com%2Fshows%2Fimages%2Fscottbaio%2Fseason1%2Fsmurfette.jpg&hash=422983539ee08571bee6993775bcf3638574c985)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:05:39 AM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:05:39 AM
Quote from: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 02:54:46 AM
Pfft... There's only one blue chick who'd get it.
And I know you guys know who it is.
Her vagina is scaly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 03:07:38 AM
Post by: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 03:07:38 AM
Sheeesh...
Talk about disappointment.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acidemic.com%2Fsitebuildercontent%2Fsitebuilderpictures%2Fmystique.jpg&hash=da82fc6fe192feeda37ddc65f32d5ce5661d830e)
Think about the variety. I'm sure she could do a good Smurfette for you Yellow.
But she can turn into anyone. :D
Talk about disappointment.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acidemic.com%2Fsitebuildercontent%2Fsitebuilderpictures%2Fmystique.jpg&hash=da82fc6fe192feeda37ddc65f32d5ce5661d830e)
Think about the variety. I'm sure she could do a good Smurfette for you Yellow.
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:05:39 AMQuote from: Aeus on Sep 10, 2009, 02:54:46 AM
Pfft... There's only one blue chick who'd get it.
And I know you guys know who it is.
Her vagina is scaly.
But she can turn into anyone. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 03:09:38 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2009, 03:09:38 AM
Too sharp... :o If I wanted that I'd shag a tree...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:23:55 AM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:23:55 AM
OH YES SO GOOD
*sound of cheese grater on raw meat*
*sound of cheese grater on raw meat*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Sep 10, 2009, 08:41:40 AM
Post by: vortep on Sep 10, 2009, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 09, 2009, 10:14:39 PMQuote from: vortep on Sep 09, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Well, when I watched the 15 minutes Avatar day footage, all I thought was how sexy Neytiri is and that I want to F**k her. Believe me in 3D and in a full scene where you see her move like an absolute real person, all you can think is how sexy she is. I have asked some of my friends that was on that screening and they share the same opinion. Believe me, in the trailer you just can't feel her, but in a full scene she is amazingly hot.
Get help.
Well that's my opinion. Even my fiancee thought she was sexy. Other than the face, her body was absolutley human like (only blue)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 10, 2009, 02:13:23 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 10, 2009, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 10, 2009, 03:00:17 AM
http://www.tvgasm.com/shows/images/scottbaio/season1/smurfette.jpg
Look at that short skirt. Hawt
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Sep 11, 2009, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Sep 11, 2009, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 10, 2009, 03:23:55 AM
OH YES SO GOOD
*sound of cheese grater on raw meat*
:-X *throws up*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Gates on Sep 11, 2009, 06:10:31 PM
Post by: Gates on Sep 11, 2009, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Sep 09, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
James Cameron Wants to F*ck "Avatar" Creatures
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15007&count=0
:o
That said, I need to see what Cameron imagines a Na'vi vajayjay looks like...knowing him there's concept art floating around somewhere, you know, attention to detail and all that good stuff...
Better be on the DVD...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 11, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 11, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
James Cameron Remembers Stan Winston
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CHAINS on Sep 12, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
Post by: CHAINS on Sep 12, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
when i first watched the trailer i didnt know it was a movie until the end. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 17, 2009, 09:21:07 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 17, 2009, 09:21:07 AM
Viral site
http://avtr.com/
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg9.imageshack.us%2Fimg9%2F2231%2Favatarcolony1.jpg&hash=534fb56ba1f259cf3f5f41f0777e9cb0916275e2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg7.imageshack.us%2Fimg7%2F6830%2Favatarcolony2.jpg&hash=474b3d1f5a57111fc9524533e75c93567bb3f49c)
http://avtr.com/
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg7.imageshack.us%2Fimg7%2F6830%2Favatarcolony2.jpg&hash=474b3d1f5a57111fc9524533e75c93567bb3f49c)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 18, 2009, 01:34:46 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 18, 2009, 01:34:46 AM
I don't like the over compartmentalized look in newer movies. I still infinately prefer the industrial style over the "old kingdom," inspired style (like future civilizations of humans on planets having temple/high arc etc styes) but the new Avatar/old Starcraft look isn't my favorite.
Cameron did one thing absolutely right in aliens. I infinately prefer the "used in" look he carried over from Alien. And he blew it up on a larger scale and made it look functional.
I actually prefer the design style of the setting in the second film over any movie in the series, including alien.
Thats not saying I like the visual style, etc more, just that Cobb and co did a good job here per some of Cameron's instructions.
Cameron did one thing absolutely right in aliens. I infinately prefer the "used in" look he carried over from Alien. And he blew it up on a larger scale and made it look functional.
I actually prefer the design style of the setting in the second film over any movie in the series, including alien.
Thats not saying I like the visual style, etc more, just that Cobb and co did a good job here per some of Cameron's instructions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 18, 2009, 04:35:12 AM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 18, 2009, 04:35:12 AM
This seemed worthy of posting in the movie thread (though I have also posted in the game thread).
A featurette for the game:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25852
A featurette for the game:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25852
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Cameron's na'vi avatar!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg219.imageshack.us%2Fimg219%2F2921%2Fcameronnavi.jpg&hash=777a767b548d04f59a6166fe7cbeb60c8245083b)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg219.imageshack.us%2Fimg219%2F2921%2Fcameronnavi.jpg&hash=777a767b548d04f59a6166fe7cbeb60c8245083b)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Sep 18, 2009, 06:00:14 PM
Post by: Moody on Sep 18, 2009, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Cameron's na'vi avatar!!!
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2921/cameronnavi.jpg
LMAF, that looks ridiculous and very well done at the same time. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dachande on Sep 18, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Post by: Dachande on Sep 18, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Cameron's na'vi avatar!!!
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2921/cameronnavi.jpg
Shouldnt that be a Na'vitar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 19, 2009, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Sep 19, 2009, 01:00:00 PM
Steven Lang's video in this viral avatar site. awesome!
http://avtr.com/
new pic
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg269.imageshack.us%2Fimg269%2F5918%2Fa22139c.jpg&hash=a34b9072d0165ececa85f5994e8980c084d18ba1)
http://avtr.com/
new pic
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg269.imageshack.us%2Fimg269%2F5918%2Fa22139c.jpg&hash=a34b9072d0165ececa85f5994e8980c084d18ba1)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 20, 2009, 02:50:31 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 20, 2009, 02:50:31 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Sep 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Cameron's na'vi avatar!!!
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2921/cameronnavi.jpg
LMFAO, awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 20, 2009, 10:48:24 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 20, 2009, 10:48:24 PM
Haha. Creepy-cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 20, 2009, 11:33:39 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 20, 2009, 11:33:39 PM
[img width=600 height=459]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
That's not saying much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Sep 21, 2009, 02:55:17 AM
Post by: Xhan on Sep 21, 2009, 02:55:17 AM
I'm'a learn you good, boy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Sep 21, 2009, 07:29:55 AM
Post by: vortep on Sep 21, 2009, 07:29:55 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg197.imageshack.us%2Fimg197%2F6463%2Favatarpanasonic1.jpg&hash=9ea254021e566a43b7790e58e781b587d68e16af)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg197.imageshack.us%2Fimg197%2F4228%2Favatarpanasonic2.jpg&hash=fede2868114b08b0e1dcc1f61357188b64535175)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg197.imageshack.us%2Fimg197%2F4228%2Favatarpanasonic2.jpg&hash=fede2868114b08b0e1dcc1f61357188b64535175)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Sep 21, 2009, 11:53:38 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Sep 21, 2009, 11:53:38 AM
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/what-do-jack-kirby-sean-connery-avatar-and-sex-city-have-in-common-nothing-i-m-just-lazy-8053
Those images above come from here.
Those images above come from here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Sep 21, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
Post by: vortep on Sep 21, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
Yeah i know, i've take them from that clip.
PS: I guy in SHH said that yesterday night there was Avatar TV Spot, during Comedy Central. Any one have conformation?
PS: I guy in SHH said that yesterday night there was Avatar TV Spot, during Comedy Central. Any one have conformation?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 21, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 21, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Those images look great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 22, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 22, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
Those particular images don't look great to me, but only for the reason they're terrible quality vid caps. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 26, 2009, 07:35:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 26, 2009, 07:35:14 PM
New game trailer looks great and gives a little more glimpse into the Pandora world:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-avatar/56773
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-avatar/56773
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 14, 2009, 03:58:49 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 14, 2009, 03:58:49 PM
Facehugger in Avatar :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmimg.ugo.com%2F200910%2F11482%2Ffacehugger-in-avatar.jpg&hash=b4fe2dc45fcaa4db2bfab89c4c09735200b697a4)
Stop looking at Michelle Rodriguez in a tank top for a second and look over her shoulder. What is that on the shelf there? Take a closer look.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmimg.ugo.com%2F200910%2F11483%2Ffacehugger-in-avatar-close-up.jpg&hash=6310b716ebf61319789e95717fa277abe9e559f5)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/LetsCutTheBS/news/?a=10952
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmimg.ugo.com%2F200910%2F11482%2Ffacehugger-in-avatar.jpg&hash=b4fe2dc45fcaa4db2bfab89c4c09735200b697a4)
Stop looking at Michelle Rodriguez in a tank top for a second and look over her shoulder. What is that on the shelf there? Take a closer look.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmimg.ugo.com%2F200910%2F11483%2Ffacehugger-in-avatar-close-up.jpg&hash=6310b716ebf61319789e95717fa277abe9e559f5)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/LetsCutTheBS/news/?a=10952
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 14, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 14, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
I dont see no facehugger.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 14, 2009, 05:29:03 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 14, 2009, 05:29:03 PM
Looks to me like a tan fleshy plant. ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Oct 14, 2009, 06:21:55 PM
Post by: Aeus on Oct 14, 2009, 06:21:55 PM
It's a Predator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 14, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 14, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
Looks more like the face of Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean to me :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 14, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 14, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
Pretty sure it's Michael Biehn....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 14, 2009, 11:57:07 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 14, 2009, 11:57:07 PM
It's Venom!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
New pics.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg243.imageshack.us%2Fimg243%2F3103%2Ffilmstill078.jpg&hash=6483259edf3f1832294369c262c8c49a1847c3a0)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg243.imageshack.us%2Fimg243%2F7564%2Ffilmstill058.jpg&hash=c968fc1d00f27dc13c0bad41a029fda4bae4dc66)
The first one looks like crap, if i didn't knew better i would have thought it was straight from a game.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg243.imageshack.us%2Fimg243%2F3103%2Ffilmstill078.jpg&hash=6483259edf3f1832294369c262c8c49a1847c3a0)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg243.imageshack.us%2Fimg243%2F7564%2Ffilmstill058.jpg&hash=c968fc1d00f27dc13c0bad41a029fda4bae4dc66)
The first one looks like crap, if i didn't knew better i would have thought it was straight from a game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 15, 2009, 12:03:10 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 15, 2009, 12:03:10 AM
I woulda said the opposite.
First one = good.
Second one = not.
First one = good.
Second one = not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Oct 15, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
Post by: Aeus on Oct 15, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
I'd say they both don't look that great. The trees in the distance look particularly fake in the first image.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
How can anyone say that the first pic looks good? Right click on the pic and view it in it's original size, it looks like a videogame.
The second pic looks alright, if it wouldn't be for the dorky expression on her face.
The second pic looks alright, if it wouldn't be for the dorky expression on her face.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 15, 2009, 12:07:10 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 15, 2009, 12:07:10 AM
Meh. I've liked nearly all the stuff I've seen of Avatar that doesn't feature the Thundercats. The first pic hasn't changed anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 15, 2009, 01:15:46 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 15, 2009, 01:15:46 AM
I think they both look nice looking IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Oct 15, 2009, 04:34:25 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Oct 15, 2009, 04:34:25 AM
Awesome, can't wait for this movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 15, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 15, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
I think they both look good.
???
???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 03:30:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 03:30:14 PM
Same. They both are very pretty. The first pic I agree doesn't look as good as the second pic but still very nice. The aircraft is the only thing that isn't that impressive to me, but it's a still from a motion picture anyways which doesn't always translate even with 100% real in-camera shots on film. I'm reserving final judgment until I see it in motion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 15, 2009, 07:07:40 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 15, 2009, 07:07:40 PM
AVATAR Spaceship
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.tinypic.com%2F2rpfviq.jpg&hash=d4b5ad57d6996237028d04d57ba298d53b91cc17)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.tinypic.com%2F2rpfviq.jpg&hash=d4b5ad57d6996237028d04d57ba298d53b91cc17)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 15, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 15, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Meh at those 2 pictures, second one is a bit better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 07:58:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 07:58:08 PM
@Darkoo: Isn't that a screencap from the trailer?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 15, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 15, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 07:58:08 PMNope. Jon Landau was giving an introduction to Avatar while that screen was shown behind.
@Darkoo: Isn't that a screencap from the trailer?
More Pics
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagesvavatarconcept.shtml
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 15, 2009, 09:09:42 PM
Lots of great stuff on that site. I was not aware they were so heavily using Adobe packages for this film. Good stuff!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 16, 2009, 05:42:53 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 16, 2009, 05:42:53 AM
New Image
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi690.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv270%2FDraganM%2F109945-avatar_490x200.jpg&hash=a0419254dcfe095251a27bf92827556b5ac79a36)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi690.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv270%2FDraganM%2F109945-avatar_490x200.jpg&hash=a0419254dcfe095251a27bf92827556b5ac79a36)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 16, 2009, 05:46:27 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 16, 2009, 05:46:27 AM
cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
There is talk about another trailer in roughly 2 weeks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 16, 2009, 05:14:37 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 16, 2009, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 16, 2009, 05:42:53 AM
New Image
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/DraganM/109945-avatar_490x200.jpg
Utter fail at "lifelike" CGI again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 16, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
Note: That image has been blown up from a small screen cap from motion video.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 16, 2009, 05:45:48 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 16, 2009, 05:45:48 PM
I actually think that's a very good picture.
You know, even without all the hype, watching the trailer, you'd probably think, "Oh cool, it's another space sci-fi epic like Star Wars, I'll see it."
You know, even without all the hype, watching the trailer, you'd probably think, "Oh cool, it's another space sci-fi epic like Star Wars, I'll see it."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 16, 2009, 05:14:37 PMLooks like a blue dude holding a gun to me. ???
Utter fail at "lifelike" CGI again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 17, 2009, 09:25:26 AM
Post by: Moody on Oct 17, 2009, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2009, 07:17:11 AMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 16, 2009, 05:14:37 PMLooks like a blue dude holding a gun to me. ???
Utter fail at "lifelike" CGI again.
No it looks like a video game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 17, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 17, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg154.imageshack.us%2Fimg154%2F5103%2Fbehindscenes012lklkf.jpg&hash=59a79fd77ef7f92875f1cd8dacda3cde88aca4fe)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 17, 2009, 09:25:26 AM
No it looks like a video game.
If that is what video games will look like, consider me being the first in line to buy one.
Give me a break.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 17, 2009, 09:35:57 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 17, 2009, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 09:28:20 PMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 17, 2009, 09:25:26 AM
No it looks like a video game.
If that is what video games will look like, consider me being the first in line to buy one.
Give me a break.
Mass effect 2, Crysis 2, Heavy Rain..., As far as I am concerned CryEngine 3 looks better then Avatar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPfM1QnPlo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 17, 2009, 09:35:57 PM
Mass effect 2, Crysis 2, Heavy Rain..., As far as I am concerned CryEngine 3 looks better then Avatar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPfM1QnPlo
bwahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Oct 17, 2009, 09:46:57 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Oct 17, 2009, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 16, 2009, 05:42:53 AM
New Image
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/DraganM/109945-avatar_490x200.jpg
*shakes head*
This is what they claimed would change cinema forever?
Although I am looking forward to seeing this film, they really did fail to deliver in the effects department!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 17, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 17, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 17, 2009, 04:24:03 PMGod, the CGI in this movie just keeps getting worse.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5103/behindscenes012lklkf.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 17, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
You'd think with all the money Cameron has, he wouldn't be shopping in the Wal-Mart shoe aisle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cetanu on Oct 17, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Post by: Cetanu on Oct 17, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Just saw the trailer for this movie.
Looks amazing!!!
Looks amazing!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Venom on Oct 17, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
Post by: Venom on Oct 17, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2009, 10:21:13 PM:DQuote from: Darkoo on Oct 17, 2009, 04:24:03 PMGod, the CGI in this movie just keeps getting worse.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5103/behindscenes012lklkf.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 07:49:47 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 07:49:47 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi35.tinypic.com%2F1yr8gg.jpg&hash=402d2f0e348e4e41801e5ffb3af5666b8e00d433)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Spoiler! Cameron has a cameo where he stops in a mech, opens the hatch, looks at the camera and says "You've been Camronated." DUN DUN DUNDUN.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 19, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 19, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
O RLY?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 03:59:59 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 03:59:59 PM
No, hehe. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 04:13:44 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 04:13:44 PM
The Truth About James Cameron
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/10/the_truth_about_james_cameron.html
• According to Titanic star Bill Paxton, the word "no" gives James Cameron an erection.
• Here's what James Cameron says to studio suits who impede his vision: "Tell your friend he's getting f**ked in the ass, and if he would stop squirming it wouldn't hurt so much."
• "James Cameron doesn't go to the bathroom; he goes to the head," writes Goodyear.
• James Cameron "has held his breath for more than three minutes and reached a depth of a hundred and ten feet."
• James Cameron signs all correspondence "Jim out."
• Something James Cameron actually shouted to Arnold Schwarzenegger on the set of True Lies: "Do you want Paul Verhoeven to finish this motherf**ker?" (We vow to find a way to work this into casual conversation today.)
• During the filming of Avatar, James Cameron taught Zoë Saldana to shoot a bow the James Cameron way ("It's a two-fingered inverted draw past the head, like a Samurai"). Recalls James Cameron: "The archery instructor came and said, 'Do you want me to teach them archery or do you want me to teach them this? This would never work.' I said, 'See that bush?' It was a hundred and fifty feet away. I nailed it."
• James Cameron broke a tooth on Avatar and he hasn't bothered to fix it. Why not? James Cameron doesn't "smile that broadly anyway," he says.
• There is a strict no-tan policy on the set of James Cameron movies. "What's with the tan?" James Cameron asks an Avatar crew member. "We see the sun as we drive to work, and not again till the next morning."
• Even forest fires are afraid of James Cameron, who has a fire truck in his driveway: "Everybody else just runs for the hills," he says mocking his Malibu neighbors. "'Oh, my God!' We sit and wait. Put on our yellow coats and our breathing gear and wait. And, you know what? It's impressive. When these hills light up with a hundred-foot-tall wall of flames coming over the top of the hill there, you feel like it's Armageddon."
• James Cameron bought George C. Scott's house.
• Of the lawn chairs on his patio, writes Goodyear, James Cameron "looked at the furniture uncertainly, as if he had never contemplated using it before."
• James Cameron drinks decaf coffee. (He stopped drinking caffeine after Terminator 2, reports Goodyear. Probably because some dudes got killed, we'd imagine.)
• To prepare her for her role in Terminator 2, James Cameron put Linda Hamilton on a year-long fat-free diet and made her train with a former Mossad agent, "who taught her to strip weapons blindfolded while he threw things at her and asked for her identification number. She got so that she could escape from L.A.P.D. handcuffs using just a paper clip." But not even that could prepare her for marriage to James Cameron — they were wed in 1997, but divorced after eight months (before Hamilton could get her scuba license, even).
• "There are two things about Jim," says Abyss cinematographer Mikael Salomon. "You shouldn't call him Jimmy, and you shouldn't touch him if you don't know him very well."
• On the set of Abyss Titanic, a disgruntled worker spiked the crew's chowder dinner with PCP. James Cameron "had the presence of mind to stick his finger down his throat, and was one of the few who didn't spend the night in the emergency room."
• James Cameron has a piece of shrapnel in his arm from Terminator 2 that never came out.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/10/the_truth_about_james_cameron.html
• According to Titanic star Bill Paxton, the word "no" gives James Cameron an erection.
• Here's what James Cameron says to studio suits who impede his vision: "Tell your friend he's getting f**ked in the ass, and if he would stop squirming it wouldn't hurt so much."
• "James Cameron doesn't go to the bathroom; he goes to the head," writes Goodyear.
• James Cameron "has held his breath for more than three minutes and reached a depth of a hundred and ten feet."
• James Cameron signs all correspondence "Jim out."
• Something James Cameron actually shouted to Arnold Schwarzenegger on the set of True Lies: "Do you want Paul Verhoeven to finish this motherf**ker?" (We vow to find a way to work this into casual conversation today.)
• During the filming of Avatar, James Cameron taught Zoë Saldana to shoot a bow the James Cameron way ("It's a two-fingered inverted draw past the head, like a Samurai"). Recalls James Cameron: "The archery instructor came and said, 'Do you want me to teach them archery or do you want me to teach them this? This would never work.' I said, 'See that bush?' It was a hundred and fifty feet away. I nailed it."
• James Cameron broke a tooth on Avatar and he hasn't bothered to fix it. Why not? James Cameron doesn't "smile that broadly anyway," he says.
• There is a strict no-tan policy on the set of James Cameron movies. "What's with the tan?" James Cameron asks an Avatar crew member. "We see the sun as we drive to work, and not again till the next morning."
• Even forest fires are afraid of James Cameron, who has a fire truck in his driveway: "Everybody else just runs for the hills," he says mocking his Malibu neighbors. "'Oh, my God!' We sit and wait. Put on our yellow coats and our breathing gear and wait. And, you know what? It's impressive. When these hills light up with a hundred-foot-tall wall of flames coming over the top of the hill there, you feel like it's Armageddon."
• James Cameron bought George C. Scott's house.
• Of the lawn chairs on his patio, writes Goodyear, James Cameron "looked at the furniture uncertainly, as if he had never contemplated using it before."
• James Cameron drinks decaf coffee. (He stopped drinking caffeine after Terminator 2, reports Goodyear. Probably because some dudes got killed, we'd imagine.)
• To prepare her for her role in Terminator 2, James Cameron put Linda Hamilton on a year-long fat-free diet and made her train with a former Mossad agent, "who taught her to strip weapons blindfolded while he threw things at her and asked for her identification number. She got so that she could escape from L.A.P.D. handcuffs using just a paper clip." But not even that could prepare her for marriage to James Cameron — they were wed in 1997, but divorced after eight months (before Hamilton could get her scuba license, even).
• "There are two things about Jim," says Abyss cinematographer Mikael Salomon. "You shouldn't call him Jimmy, and you shouldn't touch him if you don't know him very well."
• On the set of Abyss Titanic, a disgruntled worker spiked the crew's chowder dinner with PCP. James Cameron "had the presence of mind to stick his finger down his throat, and was one of the few who didn't spend the night in the emergency room."
• James Cameron has a piece of shrapnel in his arm from Terminator 2 that never came out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
Could it be? An actual worthy opponent for the legendary Chuck Norris?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 08:01:22 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 08:01:22 PM
QuoteThe thanator is the baddest, meanest predator the planet had to offer. As Jim put it ... thanator can eat an Alien for dessert. He wanted to outdo himself, outdo the Alien Queen.(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigbadtoystore.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Fout%2Fmedium%2FMAT11904.jpg&hash=72d38fafa81c06e95c3ecf6eb41660d431e86fd0)
http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/4824/james-camerons-avatar-between-testosterone-movie-and-chick-flick
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 08:04:09 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 08:04:09 PM
Oh nice way to stir the Alien fanboy nest hive, Cameron...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 19, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
Haha another funny news :D
Truck driver unimpressed with James Cameron's Avatar
Truck driver unimpressed with James Cameron's Avatar
QuoteTo get his cast in the mood for Pandora's jungle, Cameron had them spend some time in the lush rain forests of Hawaii. Worthington recalls one day when he was wearing his avatar costume of ears and a tail and little else. "A truck driver stopped and asked me what I was doing. I said I was making a movie. I pointed to Jim, who was holding a small camera, and told the driver, 'That's James Cameron. He made 'Titanic.' The driver looked at me and said, 'Boy, he's sure gone downhill since then,' and drove off."http://filmonic.com/truck-driver-unimpressed-with-james-camerons-avatar-4567
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 19, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
That's f**kin' funny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: one_ugly_mf on Oct 19, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
Post by: one_ugly_mf on Oct 19, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
hate to say this word, but I LOL'd
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 19, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 19, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60164
3 minute 30 second Avatar trailer in theaters 23 October, online 29 October.
Damn.
3 minute 30 second Avatar trailer in theaters 23 October, online 29 October.
Damn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 20, 2009, 12:43:43 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 20, 2009, 12:43:43 AM
So are they releaseing the new trailer with Saw 6?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 20, 2009, 12:55:42 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 20, 2009, 12:55:42 AM
...............................whatever releases this week........
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 20, 2009, 01:22:35 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 20, 2009, 01:22:35 AM
Hmm, awesome but I have no desire to see Saw 6.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 20, 2009, 04:23:10 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 20, 2009, 04:23:10 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Oct 20, 2009, 12:55:42 AM
whatever releases this week.
It seems like The Vampire's Assistant has a good amount of hype and I think the trailer will be out with that. If not with Saw 6 or Astro Boy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 20, 2009, 07:54:23 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 20, 2009, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 20, 2009, 01:22:35 AM
Hmm, awesome but I have no desire to see Saw 6.
The first Saw film was ok, but after awhile.....
they started to get really annoying and more retarded as the next installments continued on, very needlessly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 20, 2009, 03:03:02 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 20, 2009, 03:03:02 PM
I might just sneak into one of the theaters possibly showing the trailer then just go see something else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 22, 2009, 07:25:08 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 22, 2009, 07:25:08 PM
Sigourney Weaver!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg88.imageshack.us%2Fimg88%2F4001%2Foj4b60copy.jpg&hash=c53ba3f325c7ae982fc183fbecc991673acaa330)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg88.imageshack.us%2Fimg88%2F4001%2Foj4b60copy.jpg&hash=c53ba3f325c7ae982fc183fbecc991673acaa330)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 22, 2009, 08:42:02 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 22, 2009, 08:42:02 PM
Looks great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 22, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 22, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
She looks better when she's blue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 22, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 22, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Sigourney Weaver looks awesome as an Navi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
There are some new high res pics and the new trailer is out today. Here's some:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surrealaward.com%2Favatar%2Fimagevideo%2Ffilmstill079b.jpg&hash=ae4743f3e6d5d8268200c1e0099aa824045a7f9e) (Right-click/view for high res)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surrealaward.com%2Favatar%2Fimagevideo%2Ffilmstill081b.jpg&hash=b244007082ad894a7d371b35eed2708681a2c5d1)
Lots here: http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagesvavatarfilmstills.shtml
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surrealaward.com%2Favatar%2Fimagevideo%2Ffilmstill079b.jpg&hash=ae4743f3e6d5d8268200c1e0099aa824045a7f9e) (Right-click/view for high res)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surrealaward.com%2Favatar%2Fimagevideo%2Ffilmstill081b.jpg&hash=b244007082ad894a7d371b35eed2708681a2c5d1)
Lots here: http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagesvavatarfilmstills.shtml
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2009, 03:28:36 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2009, 03:28:36 PM
I'm not seeing the pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Weird, they are working for me. Hit the bottom link and view from the site I guess.
EDIT: ..and now they aren't. Might not allow hot-linking...
EDIT: ..and now they aren't. Might not allow hot-linking...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
New trailer, CRAPPY handy-cam quality but still very cool. It will probably get pulled so get it while it's hot!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2009, 04:21:48 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2009, 04:21:48 PM
Looks good, i like the font.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Oct 23, 2009, 04:54:15 PM
Post by: Spaghetti on Oct 23, 2009, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
New trailer, CRAPPY handy-cam quality but still very cool. It will probably get pulled so get it while it's hot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a47YvdYYYLQ
QuoteIron Jim and the land of Michael Bay tears
I lol'd heartily.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
The music in the trailer is from Michael Bay's the Island from what I understand.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2009, 05:03:46 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2009, 05:03:46 PM
That looks really, really nice. ;D
I'm pretty sure the first part of the music is My Name Is Lincoln. One of the best scores ever.
I'm pretty sure the first part of the music is My Name Is Lincoln. One of the best scores ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 23, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 23, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Is the new Avatar trailer out yet to download?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 23, 2009, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 23, 2009, 05:38:42 PM
It's not available online until next week.
Damn, that trailer was awesome as hell. Very cool.
Ripping it off youtube now.
Damn, that trailer was awesome as hell. Very cool.
Ripping it off youtube now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Oct 23, 2009, 05:39:09 PM
Post by: Scree on Oct 23, 2009, 05:39:09 PM
Sadly the official online release date is october 29. As far as I know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 23, 2009, 06:02:47 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 23, 2009, 06:02:47 PM
That trailer was much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Oct 23, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
Post by: Scree on Oct 23, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
Naaah, I'll wait. I wanna watch it in HD when I see it for the first time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 23, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 23, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
It's certainly one of the best constructed trailers I've seen.
Big change from the rushjob teaser we saw a couple months back.
Big change from the rushjob teaser we saw a couple months back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 23, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 23, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
Is it online in HD anywhere? I cant seem to find it. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 07:52:16 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 07:52:16 PM
No Fox had rather us watch it in shit quality to probably generate hype because people get excited about things they aren't supposed to see yet. The 29th is the date they are supposed to release online.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 23, 2009, 09:11:28 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Oct 23, 2009, 09:11:28 PM
Bummer, but I guess their strategy works lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 09:24:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 23, 2009, 09:24:04 PM
Yeah... :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Oct 24, 2009, 11:51:59 PM
Post by: Razz on Oct 24, 2009, 11:51:59 PM
That was very good, the first trailer was rather meh but this has certainly revived my interest. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 24, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 24, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
Suddenly, Avatar has stopped being "interesting" and become "AWESOME".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 25, 2009, 12:11:24 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Oct 25, 2009, 12:11:24 AM
Wow I sw the trailer in the theatres, and I got to say, it is drenched in epic.
FROM JAMES CAMERON
THE DIRECTOR OF
THE TERMINATOR
ALIENS
TERMINATOR 2
TRUE LIES
and
TITANIC
AVATAR
FROM JAMES CAMERON
THE DIRECTOR OF
THE TERMINATOR
ALIENS
TERMINATOR 2
TRUE LIES
and
TITANIC
AVATAR
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 25, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 25, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
A tear dripped from my eye when I saw the title ALIENS up there :'(
My god....
what has happened to our precious xenomorphs?
My god....
what has happened to our precious xenomorphs?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 25, 2009, 03:43:39 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 25, 2009, 03:43:39 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15530&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 25, 2009, 05:29:08 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 25, 2009, 05:29:08 AM
After seeing that trailer, I have gone from interest to excitement about this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 26, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 26, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
AVATAR 2 Will *NOT* Be On Pandora? Ridley And Cameron Teaming Up For ALIEN Prequel?
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/10/rumor-mill-avatar-2-will-not-be-on.html
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/10/rumor-mill-avatar-2-will-not-be-on.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 08:05:46 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 08:05:46 PM
Ridley directing, Jim producing.. words cannot express the sheer awesomeness. Too bad it's just a rumor (for now).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
My god. If that's true, well... then that's just kick-ass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 26, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 26, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
It can be done, all that has to happen is for Fox Entertainment to let it happen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 26, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 26, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Private Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 10:58:53 PM
Post by: Private Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 10:58:53 PM
That was an amzing trailer. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 11:38:38 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 11:38:38 PM
I'm not watching it until it's official and in HD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 02:05:46 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 02:05:46 AM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15564&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:15:05 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:15:05 AM
I read a short Arthur C Clarke story the other week which strongly sounded like it was a basis for Skynet.
Quel surprise. That Jimmy gotta hide his thievery a bit better. ;D
Quel surprise. That Jimmy gotta hide his thievery a bit better. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 02:27:52 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 02:27:52 AM
Well he hasn't really hid it, he basically said this movie was a mish mash of all his favorite fantasy books as a kid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:37:22 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:37:22 AM
If it resembles one of those books too closely then he has a problem.
If not - play on.
Writers steal stuff from all over the place - it all depends on how much you change it. The more you skew it, the less it's like the source material - all the better for you.
If not - play on.
Writers steal stuff from all over the place - it all depends on how much you change it. The more you skew it, the less it's like the source material - all the better for you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 02:42:27 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 02:42:27 AM
Look at it this way, he's condensing 12 books into 3 hours for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 02:51:54 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 02:51:54 AM
He has a history of "borrowing" ideas, but that hasn't stopped me from enjoying the films he's made. I don't think many really ever consider him as that original anyways, he's just good at putting on a damn good show.
"Good artists copy; great artists steal." —Pablo Picasso
:D
"Good artists copy; great artists steal." —Pablo Picasso
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:58:13 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 02:58:13 AM
The best artists steal and don't get found out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
I guess he's only great then.. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 03:24:15 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 03:24:15 AM
The best artists steal and then mold it to his or her vision.
District 9 was a hodgepodge of The Fly, Alien Nation, Iron Man and others.
District 9 was a hodgepodge of The Fly, Alien Nation, Iron Man and others.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 03:41:19 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 03:41:19 AM
The more influences you have, the more chance those influences disappear and appear as something original. Lucas nicked ideas from such dispirate sources as The Hidden Fortress and The Dambusters and a whole bunch of things in between.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 27, 2009, 04:43:39 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 27, 2009, 04:43:39 AM
Alien ripped the f**k out of everything in a ten mile radius, and look where it wound up.
Okay, sued for plagiarism, but still.
Okay, sued for plagiarism, but still.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 27, 2009, 04:59:03 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 27, 2009, 04:59:03 AM
It's not like every idea is 100% original. Famous characters like Superman and Goku are based on other people ideas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 05:02:21 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2009, 05:02:21 AM
QuoteIt's not like any idea is 100% original.
Fixeded. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 27, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 27, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
That second trailer was allot better, I am 100% going to see it, before I had my doubts but I still stand for that the CGI isn't like they said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 27, 2009, 09:16:38 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 27, 2009, 09:16:38 PM
New Image
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 27, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
Wow, Worthington looks really young there. INKREDABLE SEE-GEE-EYE! :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 27, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 27, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
It looks so fake!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 27, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Seriously, who is that?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 27, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
Worthington without the buzz cut.
Looks like a video game.
Looks like a video game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 06:12:18 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 06:12:18 AM
Michelle Rodriguez. She must be the new Vasquez.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Glad the mod cleaned up this thread. :P
Anyways, a new video from the game. May help with some insight into the world of Pandora.
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/avatargamecraft2.shtml
Anyways, a new video from the game. May help with some insight into the world of Pandora.
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/avatargamecraft2.shtml
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
QuoteWe've learned that the Avatar trailer will officially come online at around 10am PT tomorrow (Thursday).http://twitter.com/comingsoonnet/status/5233560654
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 28, 2009, 04:48:09 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 28, 2009, 04:48:09 PM
I will be buying this game for sure, but!
There is only one ultimate jungle game out there and not even Avatar can touch it.
There is only one ultimate jungle game out there and not even Avatar can touch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Oct 28, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Oct 28, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
Crysis maybe?
*shrugs shoulders*
Just a guess...
*shrugs shoulders*
Just a guess...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
I just got the nVidia 3D Vision glasses. Ima be playin' in three-dee!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 06:02:28 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 06:02:28 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 28, 2009, 06:17:11 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 28, 2009, 06:17:11 PM
Now that's one big tree. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
That's what she said! *crickets*
No but there were some parts in the IMAX3D clips that showed some holograms and it was pretty neat seeing the actors look at a screen that was 3D...in 3D. :P
No but there were some parts in the IMAX3D clips that showed some holograms and it was pretty neat seeing the actors look at a screen that was 3D...in 3D. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 28, 2009, 06:35:43 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 28, 2009, 06:35:43 PM
I can see it now, this shot will change cinema forever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 28, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
Holograms LIKE YOOV NEVAR SEEN B4!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Oct 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
Post by: Scree on Oct 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
Wow! Seriously, look at the general. Even he looks like a cgi effect in this shot. Nice scene though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 28, 2009, 06:46:27 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 28, 2009, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: Scree on Oct 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PMNah, that's just the botox.
Wow! Seriously, look at the general. Even he looks like a cgi effect in this shot.
EDIT: Trailer arrived http://www.zshare.net/video/67615810638704bd/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 28, 2009, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 28, 2009, 09:53:47 PM
Can't wait to see this, it looks really good. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:04:37 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:04:37 PM
Jesus, now I have to wash my underwear! :o Fantastic trailer!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 28, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 28, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
The quality is still alittle fuzzy, I gotta see this bad boy in full 1080p 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 28, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
480p version...
http://rapidshare.com/files/299251765/avatar_trl_h_480p_th_sub.flv
http://rapidshare.com/files/299251765/avatar_trl_h_480p_th_sub.flv
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 28, 2009, 10:46:55 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 28, 2009, 10:46:55 PM
I wish my PC could run 1080i videos, I think I need a new video card, even 720p videos run glitchy through my quicktime player.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 28, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 28, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 11:13:47 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 11:13:47 PM
Seriously, this trailer brought tears to my eyes. And what's the worst thing about it? We are the evil, greedy invaders from space! It's a sad parallel to the exploitation of Earth we're doing now.. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 03:13:14 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 03:13:14 AM
Waiting for the super deluxe 1080p version. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 29, 2009, 03:17:43 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 29, 2009, 03:17:43 AM
Tomorrow morning.
I think.
I think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Oct 29, 2009, 03:26:41 AM
Post by: severen76 on Oct 29, 2009, 03:26:41 AM
It looks good.
Still not sure if I want to see it though. No doubt the cinema will be packed and depending on how many people I go with we'd probably have to go near the back of the theatre. I've never tried watching a 3D film with the cinema glasses and my glasses at the same time, and I'm not investing on contacts just for a film.
Still not sure if I want to see it though. No doubt the cinema will be packed and depending on how many people I go with we'd probably have to go near the back of the theatre. I've never tried watching a 3D film with the cinema glasses and my glasses at the same time, and I'm not investing on contacts just for a film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 29, 2009, 11:51:10 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 29, 2009, 11:51:10 AM
Four Minute "Avatar" Featurette has New Scenes
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15603&count=0
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15603&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 12:21:12 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 12:21:12 PM
I' going for the 2D. The nearest IMAX is 100 km away from my house.. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Oct 29, 2009, 01:43:16 PM
Post by: Aeus on Oct 29, 2009, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Oct 29, 2009, 03:26:41 AM
It looks good.
Still not sure if I want to see it though. No doubt the cinema will be packed and depending on how many people I go with we'd probably have to go near the back of the theatre. I've never tried watching a 3D film with the cinema glasses and my glasses at the same time, and I'm not investing on contacts just for a film.
I'd have the same problem, and I'm definitely not watching it without them because that is more or less the worst thing ever. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
I think IMAX glasses fit around prescription glasses, not positive though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
So, no 1080p trailer is out yet :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
I haven't seen anything so far... Someone mentioned 10am pst somewhere in the depths of the interwebz, which is like 40 min from the time of posting this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:18:32 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:18:32 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809804784/trailer
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
COOL 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
Haven't found a 1080p version yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 29, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
If you click on
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 29, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
Oh nice!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 29, 2009, 09:06:11 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 29, 2009, 09:06:11 PM
Every video released just gets me more and more pumped about this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
Is this guy in the trailer?
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 10:28:22 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 10:28:22 PM
Not funny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 29, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 29, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Marines 8)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 10:52:19 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 10:52:19 PM
QuoteNot funny.
No?
What about these guys?
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 10:53:47 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 10:53:47 PM
SM, do you have a problem with this movie or with Jimbo in general?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
Uh oh... I think I accidently rattled the Cameron worshipper cage.... :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:07:07 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:07:07 PM
I find your sarcasm funny and extremely annoying at the same time. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:11:53 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:11:53 PM
It's just I've yet to see a picture of the Thundercats in this flick that I've found convincing. Which is something of a worry considering they're a large part of it.
Everything else - no problems, Well except the lead marines face in the above pic, which looks hokey. Garthim would pwn his digital arse.
Everything else - no problems, Well except the lead marines face in the above pic, which looks hokey. Garthim would pwn his digital arse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 29, 2009, 10:28:48 PMNow that's weird - The above picture Phantom posted finally showed a (to me) convincing CGI blue dude, but then that picture of the marines looks ... wrong. Look at the dude's head. There is something seriously the matter there.
Marines 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:17:15 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:17:15 PM
Looks like the dude from that Tron trailer a while back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
This is the best CGI ever to be seen in a movie, but there's simply no pleasing you.
You always want
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2FRodrod%2F1161118378057.jpg&hash=0b6400c9eedc5de839aa355e7394a1a0ca45bb02)
You always want
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2FRodrod%2F1161118378057.jpg&hash=0b6400c9eedc5de839aa355e7394a1a0ca45bb02)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:22:46 PMSpeaking for myself, when I see something that actually resembles "The best CGI ever to be seen in a movie", I'll stop saying it looks crap relative to the hype.
This is the best CGI ever to be seen in a movie, but there's simply no pleasing you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:41:51 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:41:51 PM
Give me an example of better CGI.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 29, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 29, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
Just took another look at the trailer. My god, it looks so beautiful. I love the Na'vi and all the creatures in it. Just look at those colours, they are amazing.
You know, I was only mildly interested in this a while ago, but now I can't remember when I looked forward to a movie as much as I do now. :)
You know, I was only mildly interested in this a while ago, but now I can't remember when I looked forward to a movie as much as I do now. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:48:37 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:48:37 PM
^^^
My man!
Screw the haters, I love this movie already.
My man!
Screw the haters, I love this movie already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:58:21 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:58:21 PM
QuoteThis is the best CGI ever to be seen in a movie, but there's simply no pleasing you.
I'll be happy when I can't tell it's "the best CGI". Hyped out the wazoo CGI is still CGI.
Jurrasic Park is better. And Gary Sinise's legs in Forrest Gump. Old school yo!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:00:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:48:37 PMWho's hating?
Screw the haters, I love this movie already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
A matter of opinion. JP had great digital dinos (although it was full of inaccuracies), but that's about it. This is something different. And comparing missing legs to a whole movie is ridiculous..
I'm not saying it's you, but I've read a lot of dumb comments on other forums.
QuoteWho's hating?
I'm not saying it's you, but I've read a lot of dumb comments on other forums.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:12:41 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:12:41 AM
Photobucket is
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
QuoteAnd comparing missing legs to a whole movie is ridiculous..
Then phrase your questions in such a way that you get an answer you'll like.
QuoteI'm not saying it's you, but I've read a lot of dumb comments on other forums.
So why bring it up then?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Oct 30, 2009, 12:17:02 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Oct 30, 2009, 12:17:02 AM
The film looks gorgeous...
That being said, I still have seen better CGI.
That being said, I still have seen better CGI.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
Where? I mean just by those pictures alone, if it looks that good...
then imagine how much better it will look like in 3D and on the big screen.
then imagine how much better it will look like in 3D and on the big screen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:20:09 AM
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:20:09 AM
Curse you, SM, curse you! :D
I'm not a native english speaker, so you have an upper hand in arguments..
I give up, you win.
I'm not a native english speaker, so you have an upper hand in arguments..
I give up, you win.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:22:51 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:22:51 AM
WIN! ;D
That profile shot of the marines firing looks very video gamey in still form. Odd, cos all that sort've stuff has otherwise looked pretty good.
That profile shot of the marines firing looks very video gamey in still form. Odd, cos all that sort've stuff has otherwise looked pretty good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:24:32 AM
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:24:32 AM
I'd say they look far better in motion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:25:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:25:16 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AMThe first one you posted, of just the face, looked that good.
Where? I mean just by those pictures alone, if it looks that good...
Then all those others you posted went back to "Good, but not photorealistic omg-what-is-real-here omg omg".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:28:45 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 30, 2009, 12:28:45 AM
Yep. They've obviously gone to a massive effort with eye lashes and wisps of hair etc, but the overall effect... not quite there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:32:43 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 12:32:43 AM
Don't get me wrong. The effects are really, really good in a lot of places.
But it's less than advertised.
But it's less than advertised.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Something probably gets lost when it's a still; the CGI from the trailer looks much better when in motion.
Oh, and for people asking for better examples of CGI, I think that District 9 and the new Star Trek fall under that category.
Oh, and for people asking for better examples of CGI, I think that District 9 and the new Star Trek fall under that category.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 01:30:50 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 01:30:50 AM
Sure, you can tell it's CGI.
But you can't deny that this movie looks beautiful. Some of the best cinematography I have seen in a (trailer for a) movie in a long time. And the story and acting looks cool too.
And yeah, the CGI is great. Not perfect, but what is?
But you can't deny that this movie looks beautiful. Some of the best cinematography I have seen in a (trailer for a) movie in a long time. And the story and acting looks cool too.
And yeah, the CGI is great. Not perfect, but what is?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Oct 30, 2009, 01:39:10 AM
Post by: severen76 on Oct 30, 2009, 01:39:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2009, 11:58:21 PM
And Gary Sinise's legs in Forrest Gump.
The best CGI ever IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 30, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 30, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
I still want to see this trailer in a theater.
:-[
:-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 30, 2009, 02:28:51 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 30, 2009, 02:28:51 AM
I hear that A Christmas Carol, The Fourth Kind, and 2012 will be playing the new trailer also.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 03:58:08 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 03:58:08 AM
*crickets*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Oct 30, 2009, 04:19:14 AM
Post by: Aeus on Oct 30, 2009, 04:19:14 AM
Does anyone else dig the blue chicks "f**k off" gesture to Jake?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 05:21:58 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 05:21:58 AM
yep, she looks good. Especially when shes loading up that arrow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 08:37:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 08:37:19 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 01:30:50 AMAccording to the hype, the CGI in this movie :)
Not perfect, but what is?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Yeah, well, if you never heard the hype, and you saw this trailer, you'd still love it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 10:43:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 10:36:43 AMI'd say the CGI looks good.
Yeah, well, if you never heard the hype, and you saw this trailer, you'd still love it.
But I wouldn't be humping this movie's leg.
Anyway, it's a pretty moot point. All the advertisement to this point has been, "It's got really good CGI". For months and months, that's all anyone ever said about the movie. There was the occasional mention of something like a plot, or characters, but it was rare.
To have heard of this movie is to have heard it's going to have the most jaw-droppingly photorealistic special effects man is conceivably capable of achieving.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 11:17:54 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2009, 10:43:04 AMMaybe not for the CGI. Sure, that's what they're marketing, but this is the most beautiful looking film I have seen of in a long time. Seriously, CG aside, the visual composition is spectacular.Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 30, 2009, 10:36:43 AMI'd say the CGI looks good.
Yeah, well, if you never heard the hype, and you saw this trailer, you'd still love it.
But I wouldn't be humping this movie's leg.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: War Wager on Oct 30, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Post by: War Wager on Oct 30, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
CG looks mind blowing, it'll definitely will be the main draw. Story, on the other hand looks like a glorified version of 'Pocahontas'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 30, 2009, 01:35:54 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 30, 2009, 01:35:54 PM
QuoteWhere? I mean just by those pictures alone, if it looks that good...It only looks really good in screenshots, when you see it in motion it looks still hokey and fake.
I like the new trailer, but fact is i've seen better CGI, and in some places it looks like a Pixar movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 30, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 30, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
James Cameron's Vision Featurette.NEW FOOTAGE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNv6FUK0HU&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNv6FUK0HU&fmt=22
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 30, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 30, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
I'm trying to stay away from those featurettes. I've heard people saying they are showing way too many new scenes.
Yeah. For some reason I found that kinda cool too.
Quote from: Aeus on Oct 30, 2009, 04:19:14 AM
Does anyone else dig the blue chicks "f**k off" gesture to Jake?
Yeah. For some reason I found that kinda cool too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 03:53:02 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 03:53:02 PM
QuoteI'm trying to stay away from those featurettes. I've heard people saying they are showing way too many new scenes.
Same with me. I've seen 2 trailers, that's enough. The rest is for the cinema.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 30, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 30, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
It does look pretty good, but the story seems to be ripped of from....The Last Samurai. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 30, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
This is a lot of things mixed together, it's Ferngully that meets Braveheart, that meets Thundercats, thats meets Crysis, thats meets Dances With Wolves with Colonial Marines from Aliens sprinkled around it with a PG-13 rating lol ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 30, 2009, 08:07:31 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 30, 2009, 08:07:31 PM
mini trailer :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Oct 30, 2009, 08:28:41 PM
Post by: Scree on Oct 30, 2009, 08:28:41 PM
That's the last 20 seconds of the featurette.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 30, 2009, 08:07:31 PM
mini trailer :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXYQ01bRFg
Look at 0:05. That is the most bad-ass gun I have ever seen. That alone makes me want to see this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 30, 2009, 10:56:33 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 30, 2009, 10:56:33 PM
Showed the trailer to my older brother, it's hard to get him out of his house and into a movie theater, but he said it looked awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 31, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 31, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Oct 30, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
CG looks mind blowing, it'll definitely will be the main draw. Story, on the other hand looks like a glorified version of 'Pocahontas'.
Of dances with wolves, the last samurai, glory, etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Every movie that is mentioned that it's "ripped" from are effing great movies. Only makes me want to see this more. Every idea under the sun has already been done, I'm just glad a quality sci-fi action epic is coming out, and from Cameron, of all people. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 31, 2009, 03:51:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 31, 2009, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:08 AM...Why?
Every movie that is mentioned that it's "ripped" from are effing great movies. Only makes me want to see this more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:53:29 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:53:29 AM
Because I like those movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 31, 2009, 04:48:40 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 31, 2009, 04:48:40 AM
Wasn't saying that its ripped. Fighting for the side you were originally fighting against it just a plot that has been done successfully for awhile now.
Its an age old formula. But formula's work. Wasn't implying any more than that.
Its an age old formula. But formula's work. Wasn't implying any more than that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 31, 2009, 04:57:22 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 31, 2009, 04:57:22 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:53:29 AMAnd I like Alien, but most Alien ripoffs are terrible :P
Because I like those movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 05:03:43 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 05:03:43 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 31, 2009, 04:48:40 AM
Wasn't saying that its ripped. Fighting for the side you were originally fighting against it just a plot that has been done successfully for awhile now.
Its an age old formula. But formula's work. Wasn't implying any more than that.
I was quoting Ezio when he said "ripped", specifically, but the other movies mentioned did have great similar stories.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 31, 2009, 04:57:22 AMQuote from: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:53:29 AMAnd I like Alien, but most Alien ripoffs are terrible :P
Because I like those movies.
I won't argue with that! However, I guess a little faith in the filmmaker can go a long way, if you're a fan. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 05:06:07 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 05:06:07 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Every movie that is mentioned that it's "ripped" from are effing great movies. Only makes me want to see this more. Every idea under the sun has already been done, I'm just glad a quality sci-fi action epic is coming out, and from Cameron, of all people. :)
I don't mind if other films rip off from others. As long as it's entertaining and doesn't suck it's all good in my book. Writing and making movies is very difficult, I'd say it's almost dam near impossible to be 110% original in writing a 200 page script.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 05:10:30 AM
Post by: Cellien on Oct 31, 2009, 05:10:30 AM
I like a new twist of some kind... Admittedly part of that is the effects/3D for AVATAR. I don't know enough about the story aside from the obvious (which could be all of it), but I prefer not know too much before seeing the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 31, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 31, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
;D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Oct 31, 2009, 01:31:47 PM
Post by: Puks on Oct 31, 2009, 01:31:47 PM
QuoteEvery idea under the sun has already been done
^^^
That.
BTW, it's epic as f*ck.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Oct 31, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Post by: Moody on Oct 31, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: Puks on Oct 31, 2009, 01:31:47 PMQuoteEvery idea under the sun has already been done
^^^
That.
BTW, it's epic as f*ck.
No it isn't if you ask me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Oct 31, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
;D
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5610/a036cynthiadalescott.jpg
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Haha! Thats what I was thinking too ;D
The soldiers in this movie look just like the colonial marines in Aliens with slightly different equipment of course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 31, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 31, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
Aviators. The only sunglasses I will ever wear.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Oct 31, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
Post by: Scree on Oct 31, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
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;D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 31, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Oct 31, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
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;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 07:56:36 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 31, 2009, 07:56:36 PM
lol ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 01, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 01, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
HAHAHAHAH!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 01, 2009, 06:44:29 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 01, 2009, 06:44:29 PM
Anyone saw the TV spot during the football game today?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 01, 2009, 07:02:18 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 01, 2009, 07:02:18 PM
Well it was before the start of NFL Sunday.
But they're playing it again, right now as we speak. Good on them.
But they're playing it again, right now as we speak. Good on them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 01, 2009, 07:03:17 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 01, 2009, 07:03:17 PM
http://twitpic.com/nw7up
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 01, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 01, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 05, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 05, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
New Tv Spot :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 05, 2009, 06:36:16 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 05, 2009, 06:36:16 PM
It's hard to not click any of those new TV Spots/featurettes/trailers. There's a new Japanese trailer too that shows more but I'm staying away!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 05, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 05, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 05, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
New Tv Spot :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXPoQenVQxI
Ultra badass 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2009, 07:47:03 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2009, 07:47:03 PM
"Modelling department? Hi, Jim here. Ring George and ask him if we can borrow the model of the animal Obi-Wan rode in Episode 3. Nah, don't worry about it. No one will ever notice."
;D
As per other trailers, human based stuff generally looks sweet. Thundercats...? Hmmm...
;D
As per other trailers, human based stuff generally looks sweet. Thundercats...? Hmmm...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 05, 2009, 10:09:04 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 05, 2009, 10:09:04 PM
They don't look like each other very much. Obi-Wan's was a lizard, this one is a big cat like thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Elliott on Nov 05, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
Post by: Elliott on Nov 05, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2009, 07:47:03 PMYou mean Boga? The varactyl? That was a damn cool reptile.
"Modelling department? Hi, Jim here. Ring George and ask him if we can borrow the model of the animal Obi-Wan rode in Episode 3. Nah, don't worry about it. No one will ever notice."
;D
As per other trailers, human based stuff generally looks sweet. Thundercats...? Hmmm...
And Avatar looks interesting indeed. People in helicopters getting massacered by dragons. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
QuoteObi-Wan's was a lizard, this one is a big cat like thing.
That looked a lot like the lizard Obi-Wan was riding. At least from the shot in the TV spot.
QuoteYou mean Boga? The varactyl?
That's the one. Couldn't remember it's name.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 05, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 05, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
I can't wait for this film to come out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 06, 2009, 03:48:26 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 06, 2009, 03:48:26 PM
New game trailer:
http://ubitv.de.ubi.com/index.php?vid=551&listsort=1&theme_id=0&pid=0&games_id=0&side=1
Looks good.
http://ubitv.de.ubi.com/index.php?vid=551&listsort=1&theme_id=0&pid=0&games_id=0&side=1
Looks good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 08, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 08, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
God the film looks amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 12:10:10 PM
"Avatar" Has a $500 Million Budget, Can It Make a Profit?
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15720&count=0
NY Times posted an article about the upcoming James Cameron-directed "Avatar" film, which the newspaper says has a budget that's approaching the $500 million mark. :o :o :o
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15720&count=0
NY Times posted an article about the upcoming James Cameron-directed "Avatar" film, which the newspaper says has a budget that's approaching the $500 million mark. :o :o :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 09, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 09, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
Wait, it's 500 million now?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 09, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 09, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
Its going to be 1 billion tomorrow..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 09, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 09, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Holy crap! Honestly, when they were saying $250 million before saying it's the biggest budget movie ever, I thought to myself that Spiderman 3 was slightly more than that... which confused me. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 09, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 09, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
A new picture? I don't think it have been posted before.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.imageshack.us%2Fimg4%2F7223%2Favatarintposter2largesf.jpg&hash=d478e7c44e62ca80f549d0198335acaabcd89a8c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.imageshack.us%2Fimg4%2F7223%2Favatarintposter2largesf.jpg&hash=d478e7c44e62ca80f549d0198335acaabcd89a8c)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 09, 2009, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 09, 2009, 09:44:15 PM
Wow, amazing 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 09, 2009, 09:48:29 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 09, 2009, 09:48:29 PM
Wow that pic looks genuinely horrible. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 10:01:30 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 10:01:30 PM
Amazing new tv spot
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60734
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60734
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 09, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 09, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 10:01:30 PMThat was so cheesy it hurts.
Amazing new tv spot
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60734
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
"Where wonder lives, and adventure rules!"
So not only is he nicking all these ideas for the film, he's nicking old school 1980's trailers too. ;D
This trailer seems to be presented like the Wizard of Oz - very muted colours while he's human (in Kansas) - lots of colour when he turns into a Thundercat (not in Kansas anymore).
So not only is he nicking all these ideas for the film, he's nicking old school 1980's trailers too. ;D
This trailer seems to be presented like the Wizard of Oz - very muted colours while he's human (in Kansas) - lots of colour when he turns into a Thundercat (not in Kansas anymore).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
Wow. That was a horrible picture AND a horrible trailer. All the other ones were great, and then that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 10, 2009, 12:05:44 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 10, 2009, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 09, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
"Where wonder lives, and adventure rules!"
So not only is he nicking all these ideas for the film, he's nicking old school 1980's trailers too. ;D
This trailer seems to be presented like the Wizard of Oz - very muted colours while he's human (in Kansas) - lots of colour when he turns into a Thundercat (not in Kansas anymore).
Another Thundercats mention! I like. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 10, 2009, 12:20:47 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 10, 2009, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 09, 2009, 10:14:18 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Nov 09, 2009, 10:01:30 PMThat was so cheesy it hurts.
Amazing new tv spot
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60734
Walt Disney Pictures presents.... AVATAR! Rated G!
YAAAAY! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
Supposedly that is aimed for kiddies during 'toon time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 10, 2009, 12:35:27 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 10, 2009, 12:35:27 AM
Well, that's fox... willing to misrepresent a movie to make more cash.
At least my younger sister liked it.
At least my younger sister liked it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
What were they misrepresenting exactly?
Wikipedia references two sources that put the budget between $230-$237 million.
QuoteHoly crap! Honestly, when they were saying $250 million before saying it's the biggest budget movie ever, I thought to myself that Spiderman 3 was slightly more than that... which confused me.
Wikipedia references two sources that put the budget between $230-$237 million.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 10, 2009, 01:27:17 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 10, 2009, 01:27:17 AM
Misrepresenting, as in it's supposed to be a more serious movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:32:06 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:32:06 AM
Yeah and? Who's to say it can't work on different levels when it's not even been released? I didn't get all the ins and outs of Star Wars when I first saw it in '77 - but it hooked me for life nonetheless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:32:32 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:32:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Wikipedia references two sources that put the budget between $230-$237 million.
Yeah, that's what I mean. It is being touted as the most expensive movie, yet Spiderman 3 was $258 million.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:33:35 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:33:35 AM
Who knows? Maybe they're factoring in marketing (unlikely, but anyway).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
It could be taking into consideration the video game production. Didnt they use a lot of the same technology for both?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:49:22 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:49:22 AM
They used a lot of the same assets, yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:51:43 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:51:43 AM
But they wouldn't factor that into the movie budget. Not normally anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
I do wonder about the game budget because it's been in production for an awfully long time for a movie game (2007). However, Ubisoft is developing and publishing themselves, fwiw. For a movie game, the production values seem really high and the game seems very in-depth (2 campaigns, multiplayer, and a RISK-esque boardgame mode as well as 3D sterescopic viewing ability plus a full database about lifeforms on Pandora). The Wii and PSP also have their own version, as does the DS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 03:42:14 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 03:42:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 01:51:43 AM
But they wouldn't factor that into the movie budget. Not normally anyway.
Yeah, I know, just trying to think of places where all these millions of dollars are going lol. It sure as hell isnt going into advertising.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 03:52:54 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 03:52:54 AM
It isn't? How many trailers have there been so far?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 04:03:24 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 04:03:24 AM
There have been a few, but the campaign started way later than I would have expected for such a big movie. The vast majority of early marketing relied heavily on only word of mouth and internet stills which cost way less than full trailers and television spots.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 10, 2009, 05:03:44 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 10, 2009, 05:03:44 AM
Didn't the trailer play during a football game? Twice?
That shit's hideously expensive.
That shit's hideously expensive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 05:22:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 10, 2009, 05:22:21 AM
From AMZ:
The final cost of the film has not been tallied, as Mr. Cameron, who has worked on the film for 15 years, and his collaborators, as far-flung as Weta Digital in New Zealand, have yet to complete theirwork. Published reports have put the production budget at more than $230 million. But the price tag would be higher if the financial contribution of Mr. Cameron and others were included. When global marketing expenses are added, ''Avatar'' may cost its various backers $500 million.
The final cost of the film has not been tallied, as Mr. Cameron, who has worked on the film for 15 years, and his collaborators, as far-flung as Weta Digital in New Zealand, have yet to complete theirwork. Published reports have put the production budget at more than $230 million. But the price tag would be higher if the financial contribution of Mr. Cameron and others were included. When global marketing expenses are added, ''Avatar'' may cost its various backers $500 million.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 05:24:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 05:24:44 AM
You can't factor in publicity, cos no one else does.
Plus if he's been working on it for years - with others - it'd be very difficult to nail down an actual figure.
Plus if he's been working on it for years - with others - it'd be very difficult to nail down an actual figure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 10, 2009, 06:28:40 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 10, 2009, 06:28:40 AM
Plus FOX is literally showing ads every night on the half hour, every hour of prime-time on seven NETWORKS (not channels, mind you) Marketing for this movie hasn't been done in this fashion since Independence Day or Titanic, and media costs are a hell of a lot more than they were then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 10, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 10, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
I hope this tops Titanic as the highest grossing film domestically. Because theres no way it will beat it internationality. Titanic is over the billion mark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
If the movie wins best picture then I can see this movie beating TDK for sure IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
I havent heard any talks of Oscar nominations outside of the technical categories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
I don't think their has been a screening for Avatar yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 10, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Guess thats why I havent heard any Oscar buzz, lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 10, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 10, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
I can't believe Fox spent 500 million on this when I doubt it'll make more than Transformers 2. No one outside of the internet knows what it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
QuoteI can't believe Fox spent 500 million
Not surprising - since from all reports, they haven't spent that much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 10, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 10, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
No one outside of the internet knows what it is.
I don't know about you but I seen a good amount of people that know about it. I seen a bunch of toys and a few posters in stores. That the trailer for the movie has been show with a good amount of movies that cameout most recently like Inglourious Basterds, Saw V, Final Destination 4, and a few other movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 10, 2009, 11:11:06 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 10, 2009, 11:11:06 PM
I still doubt it's going to be Titanic, which is what Fox clearly is hoping for.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 10, 2009, 11:11:27 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 10, 2009, 11:11:27 PM
No one knows the movie around my location, and the people who know about it aren't interested in seeing it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 11, 2009, 02:52:58 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 11, 2009, 02:52:58 AM
And that I seen magazines having stuff about the movie on the front cover, I think the movie has enough hype IMO. Their lucky not pull off another AVPR by putting the trailer in theathers two months before the movie comes out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 11, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 11, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi37.tinypic.com%2F15frc5y.jpg&hash=28aa2a99e226d88e2c7543180359f094a04e427f)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 11, 2009, 12:09:05 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 11, 2009, 12:09:05 PM
YES.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 11, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 11, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 11, 2009, 02:52:58 AM
And that I seen magazines having stuff about the movie on the front cover, I think the movie has enough hype IMO.
So did Snakes On A Plane.
Lots of advertising does not necessitate box office gold. It's called bombing. Will Avatar bomb? I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 11, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 11, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Because of the recent trailer and the media blitz last week, a lot of my "NORMY" friends now know what Avatar is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 11, 2009, 04:46:47 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 11, 2009, 04:46:47 PM
I often wonder how the mind of a "NORM" works. Quite fascinating...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 11, 2009, 04:59:40 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 11, 2009, 04:59:40 PM
I wouldn't want to know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 11, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 11, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Yes, that strange yet wonderful creature, the Norm. Quite a few of them around.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 11, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 11, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
QuoteNo one outside of the internet knows what it is.
They have a trailer during the Reavens game like a week ago or so, and I saw a TV spot on nick like a day ago. I think the movie has a good amount of hype IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 12, 2009, 12:27:42 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 12, 2009, 12:27:42 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 11, 2009, 07:58:20 PMQuoteNo one outside of the internet knows what it is.
They have a trailer during the Reavens game like a week ago or so, and I saw a TV spot on nick like a day ago. I think the movie has a good amount of hype IMO.
That is called advertising... Not hype.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 12, 2009, 12:30:42 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 12, 2009, 12:30:42 AM
The more advertising their is then the more people would get hype up for the movie, and the more they enjoy the previews then they will likely see the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 12, 2009, 12:52:05 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 12, 2009, 12:52:05 AM
I actually haven't seen one trailer on TV. Granted I only watch TV in the kitchen while I'm cooking or on Monday (How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory <-- perfect demographics).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 01:04:32 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 01:04:32 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 11, 2009, 04:15:58 PMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 11, 2009, 02:52:58 AM
And that I seen magazines having stuff about the movie on the front cover, I think the movie has enough hype IMO.
So did Snakes On A Plane.
Lots of advertising does not necessitate box office gold. It's called bombing. Will Avatar bomb? I wouldn't be surprised.
Doubt it. But it's not going to make titanic money by a long shot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Nov 12, 2009, 03:51:54 AM
Post by: PLEXI on Nov 12, 2009, 03:51:54 AM
QuoteI actually haven't seen one trailer on TV. Granted I only watch TV in the kitchen while I'm cooking or on Monday (How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory <-- perfect demographics).I love HIMYM XD...but Sheldon is the only reason I would watch BBT.
Avatar will probably do well, I can't see it bombing, or making absurd amounts like Titanic, as Xhan said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 12, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 12, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I think he'll set records the first two or three weeks, then it will peter down.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 05:19:56 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 05:19:56 AM
Likely probably longer due to the season of release. You'll probably get a summer rerelease as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Brother on Nov 12, 2009, 01:16:42 PM
Post by: Brother on Nov 12, 2009, 01:16:42 PM
rofl Anyone saw the new South park episode? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 12, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 12, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
:D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa277%2Flovegunner%2FBatman%2Fspavatar.jpg&hash=a0b486615a26ae96511786f6bdf9c2a92b1508c2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa277%2Flovegunner%2FBatman%2Fspavatar.jpg&hash=a0b486615a26ae96511786f6bdf9c2a92b1508c2)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Brother on Nov 12, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Brother on Nov 12, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 12, 2009, 03:41:44 PMLiterally rolling on the floor laughing. Nice pic. Dances with smurfs. ;D
:D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 12, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 12, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
Haha, nice! What's it about or was just that a quick cameo thang?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 12, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 12, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
It mostly parodies Glenn Beck (good), with a little Avatar thrown in there. You have to watch the whole episode to get the joke though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
Forget advancing motion picture technology - it always comes back to titties. (http://www.defamer.com.au/2009/11/james-cameron-reveals-his-quest-to-build-more-perfect-cgi-boobs/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 12:13:09 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 12:13:09 AM
Well, thanks Cameron.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 13, 2009, 12:45:12 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 13, 2009, 12:45:12 AM
QuotePLAYBOY: Are her breasts on view?
CAMERON: [...] We'll have to put it on the special edition DVD; it will be a collector's item. A Neytiri Playboy Centerfold would have been a good idea.
Well...I...umm...hmm...no. Just...no.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg29.imageshack.us%2Fimg29%2F9567%2Fhesalreadydead.jpg&hash=572341f2eb1b9e879266feaa1bd76f4672c66ea1) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/hesalreadydead.jpg/)
I mean, she's cute. But a centerfold? That can stay with the Marge Simpson edition, in the pile of failed Playboy gimmicks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
Action Bruce Lee does not approve.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 13, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 13, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
Cameron, oh Cameron... you naughty man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2009, 03:22:15 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2009, 03:22:15 AM
My god, could Cameron sound like a bigger tool?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 03:30:50 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 03:30:50 AM
Yes.
see: Aliens crew rants.
see: Aliens crew rants.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 03:48:38 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 03:48:38 AM
Weren't his Abyss rants worse?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 03:49:19 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 03:49:19 AM
I'd have to dig through and see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 03:52:39 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 03:52:39 AM
I remember the crew got t-shirts with 'You don't scare me; I've worked for James Cameron' on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2009, 04:05:24 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2009, 04:05:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
Forget advancing motion picture technology - it always comes back to titties. (http://www.defamer.com.au/2009/11/james-cameron-reveals-his-quest-to-build-more-perfect-cgi-boobs/)
James Cameron: is he perhaps the greatest man to ever live?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 04:07:16 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 04:07:16 AM
Contrary to popular belief he neither invented nor owns the rights to the vagina.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 04:10:38 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 04:10:38 AM
In spite of frequently acting like one.
I'm sure his plethora of ex-wives would agree.
QuoteJames Cameron: is he perhaps the greatest man to ever live?
I'm sure his plethora of ex-wives would agree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 13, 2009, 04:39:45 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 13, 2009, 04:39:45 AM
Knew I wasn't the only one who found his "women are confusing creatures" comment ironic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 04:40:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 04:40:44 AM
I almost laughed out loud when I read it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 05:01:17 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 13, 2009, 05:01:17 AM
I'm sure marrying someone with bipolar disorder also helped him a great deal, especially considering he has the same issue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 05:07:51 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2009, 05:07:51 AM
Four's a crowd.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 13, 2009, 08:03:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 13, 2009, 08:03:37 AM
Wait, who said that? Was it me? Who's there? Gah!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 13, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 13, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
Na'vi Gameplay
na'vi looks like a blue super predator :)
na'vi looks like a blue super predator :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 13, 2009, 07:06:19 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 13, 2009, 07:06:19 PM
The game looks great. I love that's basically a 3rd person shooter and an adventure hack n' slash in one game (playing as the different sides). Top it off with S3D... Cool. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Graphic sucks, like every game adaption of a movie, it's made for a quick buck and that's exactly what it looks like.
And whats with the invisibility? Are they invisible in the movie too?
And whats with the invisibility? Are they invisible in the movie too?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 13, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 13, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
They can "hack" every animal/plant on Pandora.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 14, 2009, 02:17:29 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 14, 2009, 02:17:29 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 13, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
They can "hack" every animal/plant on Pandora.
Is that really true? Sorry if this is a joke or not... But don't remember hearing that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 14, 2009, 03:15:52 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 14, 2009, 03:15:52 AM
That's the entire premise of the movie. The thundercats are the forefront of the immune system of Pandora, which is fighting off the invaders, ie people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 03:31:29 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 03:31:29 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Graphic sucks, like every game adaption of a movie, it's made for a quick buck and that's exactly what it looks like.
They (graphics) look well above the norm for a movie-game. In fact, the whole game is way more in depth than your normal movie game (2 separate campaigns, online multiplayer, and a Risk-type strategy game). I'm not saying it is better than non-movie games (although it could be said about plenty of non-movie games) just saying that pretty much all of your statements are erroneous... well other than the fact that they are making it for money which is why every single developer is in business otherwise they wouldn't be here. Now a quick buck? No. The game has been in development for over 2 years.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 14, 2009, 03:34:24 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 14, 2009, 03:34:24 AM
Double frame buffering don't come cheap especially on limited console memory.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 14, 2009, 05:02:09 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 14, 2009, 05:02:09 AM
I'm not impressed by the game so far. Ubisoft went into all this talk about how their years of development meant it would be of higher quality, but most of what I've seen so far is pretty plain. Most of it's Star Wars: Battlefront II, but with ali...well, blue a...actually, I'll just leave it at that. It's Star Wars: Battlefront II.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2009, 05:06:09 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2009, 05:06:09 AM
The graphics do look rather awesome, but I think I rather rent the game though since I doubt it's worth $60.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Kinda neat Avatar toy augmented reality thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWk_JIE3Ow
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2009, 01:20:53 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2009, 01:20:53 AM
Saw the new trailer! I can't wait for this movie! Also, I actually want to see the humans lose in this movie...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2009, 01:37:10 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2009, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Kinda neat Avatar toy augmented reality thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWk_JIE3Ow
That just made my day! 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 15, 2009, 05:20:42 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Nov 15, 2009, 05:20:42 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 14, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Kinda neat Avatar toy augmented reality thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWk_JIE3Ow
Is that supposed to be some sort of CCG for the 21st century? Because I want one!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 15, 2009, 05:26:32 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 15, 2009, 05:26:32 AM
Finally saw the trailer on the big screen with 2012.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 17, 2009, 02:27:38 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 17, 2009, 02:27:38 AM
The game demo is out. The scenery is beatiful. Played in stereo-3d :o Check the Avatar game thread for a link.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2009, 04:14:39 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2009, 04:14:39 AM
I saw the Avatar trailer before 2012. That thing was better than the movie. Everyone I've spoken to can't wait for this film to come out. Only 1 month 2 days to go!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 20, 2009, 07:29:51 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 20, 2009, 07:29:51 AM
Avatar Video - Exclusive Featurette: Human Hardware
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/objects/800318/avatar/videos/avatar_hardware.html
Oh my god... :o :o
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/objects/800318/avatar/videos/avatar_hardware.html
Oh my god... :o :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 20, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 20, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
Looks really nice. The Dragon Gunship reminds me of a Tau ship from Warhammer 40.000.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Nov 20, 2009, 07:45:56 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Nov 20, 2009, 07:45:56 AM
WOW this movie is going to be great
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 20, 2009, 03:24:41 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 20, 2009, 03:24:41 PM
I've decided not to watch any featurrettes.
Must not click.
Must not click.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Nov 21, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Post by: MrLee on Nov 21, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Saw the trailer before 2012 the other day.
I like the plot idea, and i like the actors chosen, i was especially like "shouts woah out very loudly" when i saw Sigourney Weaver was in it BUT.
Its like just not what i want from Cameron. Its a serious story...but watered down with cartoon-y CGI characters and for a younger audience. The closest Cameron got to a lighter story was True Lies but that was only because it had some comedy in it. Minus that hes always done pretty serious mature audience movies. Im just disappointed hes chosen to deliver this story in such a toned down way.
Still cool to see some typical Cameron trademarks thought, the walker machines, and drop off craft etc. Even the shots of Sigourney Weaver were done in the way he filmed her in Aliens.
I like the plot idea, and i like the actors chosen, i was especially like "shouts woah out very loudly" when i saw Sigourney Weaver was in it BUT.
Its like just not what i want from Cameron. Its a serious story...but watered down with cartoon-y CGI characters and for a younger audience. The closest Cameron got to a lighter story was True Lies but that was only because it had some comedy in it. Minus that hes always done pretty serious mature audience movies. Im just disappointed hes chosen to deliver this story in such a toned down way.
Still cool to see some typical Cameron trademarks thought, the walker machines, and drop off craft etc. Even the shots of Sigourney Weaver were done in the way he filmed her in Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 21, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 21, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
Just because it has lots of CGI, doesn't mean it's a "kids" film, nor that it has been "watered-down."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
QuoteJust because it has lots of CGI, doesn't mean it's a "kids" filmNo, its just that the CGI is cartoony, making it look like a kids movie.
And the kids trailer proved that it plays fairly good as one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 21, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 21, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
Touché.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 21, 2009, 10:45:43 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 21, 2009, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2009, 06:06:37 PMQuoteJust because it has lots of CGI, doesn't mean it's a "kids" filmNo, its just that the CGI is cartoony, making it look like a kids movie.
And the kids trailer proved that it plays fairly good as one.
Are you trying your best to not be impressed by this film?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 21, 2009, 10:54:57 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 21, 2009, 10:54:57 PM
haters be hating is the correct term I believe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 21, 2009, 11:09:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 21, 2009, 11:09:56 PM
Or people having their own opinions.
I might catch this on DVD. Eventually.
I might catch this on DVD. Eventually.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 21, 2009, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 21, 2009, 11:20:57 PM
But you cannot deny the fact that there are people out there who hate this simply because this is a Cameron film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 22, 2009, 12:49:23 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 22, 2009, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 21, 2009, 10:45:43 PMWhat has that to do with anything?Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 21, 2009, 06:06:37 PMQuoteJust because it has lots of CGI, doesn't mean it's a "kids" filmNo, its just that the CGI is cartoony, making it look like a kids movie.
And the kids trailer proved that it plays fairly good as one.
Are you trying your best to not be impressed by this film?
I'm simply not, not because i want to but because it simply failed to impress me, so far at least.
There is nothing, not one single bit, that lived up to it's hype so far.
QuoteBut you cannot deny the fact that there are people out there who hate this simply because this is a Cameron film.Same as there are people out there who love this simply because it's a Cameron film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 22, 2009, 03:18:55 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 22, 2009, 03:18:55 AM
I like it because it looks cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 22, 2009, 04:28:20 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 22, 2009, 04:28:20 AM
I like it because it interests me. For one thing, it's science fiction, which I love. It also looks like it's gonna have amazing special effects. Plot seems very interesting. It has people who are akin to space marines (see username). Cool vehicles and flying machines. HUGE GUNS! The action sequences also look like awesome. It has nothing to do with Jimmy boy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 22, 2009, 04:59:31 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 22, 2009, 04:59:31 AM
I think it isn't going to be revolutionary because of realistic looking CGI, but rather the tech used to bring these CGI creations to us, like the camera Cameron developed to shoot a live action scene and see the CGI, so the camera movements are more rooted in reality.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 22, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 22, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
I think its never going to be anything less than good because Cameron has never made a film that is below average, (except Piranha II but he was director for two weeks, and was hardly involved at all only his name was slapped on it as director because he was last on shoot.)
Cameron never fails to entertain and has consistently change cinema in some way, I mean this film already has other directors shooting films in his way and this is even before Avatar is released! In my books this film is already a hit and I personally can't wait to see it.
Cameron never fails to entertain and has consistently change cinema in some way, I mean this film already has other directors shooting films in his way and this is even before Avatar is released! In my books this film is already a hit and I personally can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 22, 2009, 11:57:41 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 22, 2009, 11:57:41 PM
The leaked clip online where Jake confronts the Thanotor looks amazing. I can see why Cameron went with a human angle in the Na'vi design. If the whole movie's like that, at least it'll be fun to watch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
I haven't looked forward to a film this much since, well, Titanic (yes I loved - sue me).
I've been interested in this film for multiple reasons.
Firstly, when I first heard about it (years ago before it went into production and during production etc) I was extremely excited because it was a Cameron film. I love his films and admire and respect the way he makes his films. The way he completely owns every film he makes. You know that when somebody says its a James Cameron film, you know it is a James Cameron film. James Cameron's Titanic is just that, it is James Cameron's Titanic. The lengths that man went to to make that film is mind boggling. And now, we're about to get James Cameron's Avatar. Whether you like his films or not, you can't deny the fact that the man goes all out when making a film. I admire and respect that.
Secondly, I became very interested in the technology. The 3D the motion capture stuff that Cameron was building on from previous technology. Hearing that the CGI was going to be a level above was something that I was really looking forward too. Not because I like seeing pretty pictures though. I'm a firm believer in the story must come first. The CGI is just a tool to tell a story. The better the CGI, the better I am able to be sucked into the story. The more believable the CGI is, makes it easier for me to SEE the story.
Thirdly, the pure buzz this movie has created has been interesting. It adds to my desire to see it. The buzz alone is not enough to get me to see a movie (twilight for example - there's a lot of buzz but I have no interest in it whatsoever) but if you couple the buzz along with the other things I've already said, then the buzz enhances that desire. Anyone who has seen 30 minutes of the footage (in australia there have been a few tv personalities that were able to see 30 minutest of it for marketing purposes - these tv personalities have then gone on to interview Sam Worthington) raves about it. They all say its like something you've never seen before. Now you can choose to take this with a grain of salt putting it down to pure marketing spin, but it helps generate that buzz.
Fourthly, the wait. It's been 12 years since James Cameron gave us a fictional movie. Being a fan of Cameron's the wait has been excruciating but like a good Cameron movie, it builds suspense.
Fifthly, the trailer. Now i've made a point of not reading spoilers or the script or anything like that because I want to see the movie for the first time with a clear mind. I will see trailers but I don't think they are spoilers as such. I for one loved the trailer the first time I saw it. It gets better every time I see it. Some people have said the CGI hasn't impressed them so far, well to those people I would say, watch the movie with an open mind and then decide. You're completely entitled to your opinions but I don't think you can truely say either way until you've seen the movie as a whole. Seeing the trailers on a computer screen isn't really the way the film is meant to be experienced. The trailers are there to entice you to come to the movies to experience this journey. I for one have enjoyed the trailers and believe the CGI to be amazing, but I will reserve my final judgement until I have seen the film in total.
These reasons, among others, are why I am so looking forward to this film.
I've been interested in this film for multiple reasons.
Firstly, when I first heard about it (years ago before it went into production and during production etc) I was extremely excited because it was a Cameron film. I love his films and admire and respect the way he makes his films. The way he completely owns every film he makes. You know that when somebody says its a James Cameron film, you know it is a James Cameron film. James Cameron's Titanic is just that, it is James Cameron's Titanic. The lengths that man went to to make that film is mind boggling. And now, we're about to get James Cameron's Avatar. Whether you like his films or not, you can't deny the fact that the man goes all out when making a film. I admire and respect that.
Secondly, I became very interested in the technology. The 3D the motion capture stuff that Cameron was building on from previous technology. Hearing that the CGI was going to be a level above was something that I was really looking forward too. Not because I like seeing pretty pictures though. I'm a firm believer in the story must come first. The CGI is just a tool to tell a story. The better the CGI, the better I am able to be sucked into the story. The more believable the CGI is, makes it easier for me to SEE the story.
Thirdly, the pure buzz this movie has created has been interesting. It adds to my desire to see it. The buzz alone is not enough to get me to see a movie (twilight for example - there's a lot of buzz but I have no interest in it whatsoever) but if you couple the buzz along with the other things I've already said, then the buzz enhances that desire. Anyone who has seen 30 minutes of the footage (in australia there have been a few tv personalities that were able to see 30 minutest of it for marketing purposes - these tv personalities have then gone on to interview Sam Worthington) raves about it. They all say its like something you've never seen before. Now you can choose to take this with a grain of salt putting it down to pure marketing spin, but it helps generate that buzz.
Fourthly, the wait. It's been 12 years since James Cameron gave us a fictional movie. Being a fan of Cameron's the wait has been excruciating but like a good Cameron movie, it builds suspense.
Fifthly, the trailer. Now i've made a point of not reading spoilers or the script or anything like that because I want to see the movie for the first time with a clear mind. I will see trailers but I don't think they are spoilers as such. I for one loved the trailer the first time I saw it. It gets better every time I see it. Some people have said the CGI hasn't impressed them so far, well to those people I would say, watch the movie with an open mind and then decide. You're completely entitled to your opinions but I don't think you can truely say either way until you've seen the movie as a whole. Seeing the trailers on a computer screen isn't really the way the film is meant to be experienced. The trailers are there to entice you to come to the movies to experience this journey. I for one have enjoyed the trailers and believe the CGI to be amazing, but I will reserve my final judgement until I have seen the film in total.
These reasons, among others, are why I am so looking forward to this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
QuoteYou're completely entitled to your opinions but I don't think you can truely say either way until you've seen the movie as a whole.
I'm not sure seeing the movie as a whole is going to make the Thundercats look less fake. The story may enable me to ignore the fakeness, though.
Wait and see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:36:42 AM
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:36:42 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
I'm not sure seeing the movie as a whole is going to make the Thundercats look less fake.
Perhaps, but its not something you will know until you see it now is there.
Besides the fact that it is a make believe creature, it may "look" fantastic. It may be a believable representation of a make believe creature. Just like the transformers are obviously "fake", but they looked good. Just like Davy Jones was obviously "fake" but he looked fantastic for what he was meant to be.
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AMThe story may enable me to ignore the fakeness, though.
Maybe.
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AMWait and see.
Thats all I'm saying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:41:31 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:41:31 AM
I've not watched all the Pirates... movies, but what I've seen of Davy Jones (watched some of the second one on telly the other night) he looks anything but fake.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:42:52 AM
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 01:42:52 AM
Do you mean fake as in not real or fake as in the CGI is really bad?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:44:15 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:44:15 AM
I mean "anything but fake". ie. Those tentacles look like they were there wriggling around on Bill Nighy's face when they shot the scene on set.
What's shot them in the foot about Avatar is hyping the visual effects out the wazoo like they have. Films that have blown people away effects wise like Star Wars or The Matrix almost came out of nowhere. When Avatar doesn't blow people away they expect - they'll be disappointed.
What's shot them in the foot about Avatar is hyping the visual effects out the wazoo like they have. Films that have blown people away effects wise like Star Wars or The Matrix almost came out of nowhere. When Avatar doesn't blow people away they expect - they'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
Post by: stephen on Nov 23, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:44:15 AM
I mean "anything but fake". ie. Those tentacles look like they were there wriggling around on Bill Nighy's face when they shot the scene on set.
ahh gotcha. Basically what I said.
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:44:15 AMWhat's shot them in the foot about Avatar is hyping the visual effects out the wazoo like they have. Films that have blown people away effects wise like Star Wars or The Matrix almost came out of nowhere. When Avatar doesn't blow people away they expect - they'll be disappointed.
In your opinion.
Though I agree with you about Star Wars and The Matrix. Those films came out of nowhere and did literally blow us away.
I think it remains to be seen how all this hype is going to affect Avatar. It could go either way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 23, 2009, 02:07:38 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 23, 2009, 02:07:38 AM
It's not the photorealism CGI that's great here. It's the way it's presented (ie, shot from actual camera angles and not a computer mouse), the motion capture (attempting to cross the 'uncanny valley'), and the new technology made just for this movie, which will push boundaries for future films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 02:58:08 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 02:58:08 AM
But if it looks fake and cartoony, it'll just be an expensive showreel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:04:37 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:04:37 AM
So don't watch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:13:38 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:13:38 AM
Uh-oh... Rattled a ball lickers cage again...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:17:30 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:17:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:13:38 AM
Uh-oh... Rattled a ball lickers cage again...
No but that post is inappropriate. Obviously your cage was rattled...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:23:01 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:23:01 AM
Not at all.
Not everyone who expresses a negative opinion about this is as much of "hater" as you'd like them to be. Just as everyone who expresses a positive opinion doesn't worship at the Temple of James Cameron's Eternal Scrotum. Only some.
Don't try and guage what's 'appropriate' when you come into discussion with utterly irrelevant nonsense like "So don't watch it".
Not everyone who expresses a negative opinion about this is as much of "hater" as you'd like them to be. Just as everyone who expresses a positive opinion doesn't worship at the Temple of James Cameron's Eternal Scrotum. Only some.
Don't try and guage what's 'appropriate' when you come into discussion with utterly irrelevant nonsense like "So don't watch it".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 23, 2009, 03:23:44 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Nov 23, 2009, 03:23:44 AM
Can't we just reserved judgement for now? It looks like they put effort into it, and soon we will see if it was all worth it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
QuoteCan't we just reserved judgement for now?
All I've been saying all along.
Look I did it again!
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
Wait and see.
But by the same token - I'm not going to stop discussing what we've seen so far. Just because I think the Thundercats don't quite cut it, it isn't a condemnation of the entire film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:30:58 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:30:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:23:01 AM
Not at all.
Not everyone who expresses a negative opinion about this is as much of "hater" as you'd like them to be. Just as everyone who expresses a positive opinion doesn't worship at the Temple of James Cameron's Eternal Scrotum. Only some.
Don't try and guage what's 'appropriate' when you come into discussion with utterly irrelevant nonsense like "So don't watch it".
Obviously you didn't understand that calling me a "ball-licker" is what is inappropriate. Everything else you said isn't inappropriate, but your last comments just now were far-assumed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:32:08 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:32:08 AM
QuoteObviously you didn't understand that calling me a "ball-licker" is what is inappropriate.
Oh no, I understood that too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:38:00 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:38:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:32:08 AMQuoteObviously you didn't understand that calling me a "ball-licker" is what is inappropriate.
Oh no, I understood that too.
So if you understand it's inappropriate, don't do it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 23, 2009, 03:38:46 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 23, 2009, 03:38:46 AM
The Temple of James Cameron's Eternal Scrotum, eh? I like it. Has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:39:51 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:39:51 AM
The ring's round the back. Members only.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 23, 2009, 03:42:08 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 23, 2009, 03:42:08 AM
I'm sorry, I don't get that joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:43:21 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2009, 03:43:21 AM
Nevermind. It was just as puerile as the Eternal Scrotum gag and not terribly funny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:55:50 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:55:50 AM
I saw a segment about the movie on 60-minutes. The shots they showed were some of the worst I've seen of the movie (in regards to CGI quality), but a lot of it was when they were showing shots of the art team talking about finishing touches and doing the last work on the CGI, so not sure if it was intended to be in-progress shots or what, although some of it was clearly not final as they looked more like animatics.
Either way, it wasn't the most impressive stuff I've seen (looked like new footage not in the trailers) and that might confuse people seeing the segment. It also mentioned the Abyss, Terminator, and Titanic (of course) but no mention of Aliens.. :(
Either way, it wasn't the most impressive stuff I've seen (looked like new footage not in the trailers) and that might confuse people seeing the segment. It also mentioned the Abyss, Terminator, and Titanic (of course) but no mention of Aliens.. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 23, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 23, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
Quotebut no mention of Aliens..Maybe because a whole lot of stuff looks like it could be straight from Aliens. :-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
I should've probably pointed out that they were highlighting his extremely popular movies (T2 and Titanic) and the Abyss was mentioned as they were highlighting how he's well known for putting actors through tremendous amount of stress while filming - talking about the filming conditions during the Abyss.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Nov 23, 2009, 03:49:08 PM
Post by: MrLee on Nov 23, 2009, 03:49:08 PM
I hardly think my previous post warrants being called a hater.
That isnt true, im a big fan of James Camerons movies, like i explained. I was disappointed with his choice in direction and content this time around after so long of not making movies!
Not a crime to have an opinion. I wasnt retarded in my post, i stated constructive criticism.
That isnt true, im a big fan of James Camerons movies, like i explained. I was disappointed with his choice in direction and content this time around after so long of not making movies!
Not a crime to have an opinion. I wasnt retarded in my post, i stated constructive criticism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 04:10:59 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 23, 2009, 04:10:59 PM
I feel the same in some ways. I'm happy he's doing sci-fi again, but time will tell if the "Thundercat Smurfs" do it for me. They were more interesting in the 15 min of footage I saw than they have been in the trailers though, as you got more dialog in single scenes w/ them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw9StPFEWNg&feature=sub
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 01:20:20 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 01:20:20 AM
Geez talk about fanwank. I'm only at 1:40 and they're carrying on about his originality (never mind the lawsuit for Terminator and the similarities with other things Avatar is already throwing up) and his strong women - who are nearly the same in every film in that they need a man to empower them in some way (there's that originality again).
EDIT - 2:40 I give up...
EDIT - 2:40 I give up...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 02:54:16 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 02:54:16 AM
It was a great video and seems like he did a great job on making it IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 03:12:08 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 03:12:08 AM
Unless he found some objectivity after I stopped watching...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 24, 2009, 05:37:15 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 24, 2009, 05:37:15 AM
He found none at all.
That guy is a tool.
I admit, I am excited to see the movie, but this guy was trying to suck up to someone.
That guy is a tool.
I admit, I am excited to see the movie, but this guy was trying to suck up to someone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 05:40:41 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 05:40:41 AM
Well this oughta balance it out (http://www.defamer.com.au/2009/11/the-mounting-evidence-that-avatar-will-suck-part-1/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 24, 2009, 05:53:54 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 24, 2009, 05:53:54 AM
There is some god awful dialogue from what I've seen. There's a clip where the main character is talking shit to some big animal because he thinks he's scared it. That, along with the "jujubees" line, does not make me confident that the writing is all that great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 06:13:16 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 06:13:16 AM
The dialogue sounds like deleted material from T2. That said, T2 wasn't a science fiction film. It was a blockbuster, using Lifetime melodrama in between the pretty explosions and banter about how "the future is not set."Yet it worked. This looks like another blockbuster. If blockbusters have pretty visuals with some flat or cliche dialogue along the way, I can enjoy them for what they are so long as they don't insult my sensibilities like Revenge of the Fallen did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:09 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:09 AM
James Cameron's New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_cameron
Inventing Effects to Create the Avatar Universe
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_movie
5 Steps to Avatar: Reinventing Moviemaking
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_5steps
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_cameron
Inventing Effects to Create the Avatar Universe
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_movie
5 Steps to Avatar: Reinventing Moviemaking
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_5steps
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:48 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:48 AM
QuoteThat said, T2 wasn't a science fiction film.
...what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 06:26:14 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 06:26:14 AM
QuoteThat said, T2 wasn't a science fiction film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 24, 2009, 07:03:32 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 24, 2009, 07:03:32 AM
Do you guys know he's on the NASA advisory council?
A little odd I'd think. Even though I did notice in the scriptment that the human science was at least somewhat based in reality.
He didn't do faster than light travel. And went to Andromeda. And his space ship used a buttload of energy going 3/4ths the speed of light, but not the infinite energy it would need to go the same speed/past it.
A little odd I'd think. Even though I did notice in the scriptment that the human science was at least somewhat based in reality.
He didn't do faster than light travel. And went to Andromeda. And his space ship used a buttload of energy going 3/4ths the speed of light, but not the infinite energy it would need to go the same speed/past it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 07:21:08 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 24, 2009, 07:21:08 AM
It's not like every idea is 100% original since Star Wars is a sci-fi version of Hidden Fortress or The Matrix is pretty much like a live action Ghost in the Shell. Everything be inspired by old stories and be redone with some creativity. I think this movie is going to end up being great in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 24, 2009, 07:29:13 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 24, 2009, 07:29:13 AM
Star Wars wasn't actually original either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 07:33:09 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 07:33:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:48 AM
...what?
I don't consider it one. In films, you have tons of cure-alls that save people from a virus or a disease that could never happen in real life. Or you have a unicorn that lives in some fantastical candy land. Or an asteroid that can be split in two with an atomic bomb to its core. All that's a depiction of science, but with no way to apply the scientific method to it. Why? It's fiction. Yet those are films we wouldn't put in the science fiction genre just because they have out-there scientific elements. T2 has science fiction elements, but it's not a science fiction film. That would imply that the focus of the film dwells on a uniquely scientific subject, like how T1 was all about predestination paradox. The focus of T2 was on a robot learning the value of human life. The T-800 being a robot and the "greater" plot point of Skynet's undoing is ancillary to the audience's rooting interest, which is supposed to be the bond being formed between protector and main character/MacGuffin. The climaxes allude to as much; the ending of T1 reaffirms the loop we've gone in, whereas T2's ending is supposed to be this big heart-wrenching affair that gets far more focus than the incineration of Skynet's progenitor parts.
I have a different view on film genre than most, one that borders more on film theory. Like how I view the blockbuster as a film genre and less of a box office return, given how the storytelling approach is to be bombastic rather than choosing a theme topic and reinforcing it throughout (ex: 2012, Independence Day, Transformers, Armageddon). They might make lots of money, but so do romances, war films, and documentaries. They just tend to make more because they use broad stroke melodrama that the general public can easily digest in the midst of being a loud summer event. Even if the film underperformed, like Godzilla, it can still be designated a blockbuster because it's a mentality that the filmmakers imprinted on their product and not just a monetary benefit of audience enthusiasm. But that's just how this one guy views film.
QuoteDo you guys know he's on the NASA advisory council?
A little odd I'd think. Even though I did notice in the scriptment that the human science was at least somewhat based in reality.
He didn't do faster than light travel. And went to Andromeda. And his space ship used a buttload of energy going 3/4ths the speed of light, but not the infinite energy it would need to go the same speed/past it.
I don't have access to the scriptment, but I have read the article online about it and the details of his impassioned letter to NASA about space exploration. On that end, I'd imagine he'd adhere to what we theorize about space travel. It's still a little wild to think, though, that he's mocked up references for professional scientists on how they should go about colonizing Mars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 24, 2009, 07:03:32 AM
Do you guys know he's on the NASA advisory council?
A little odd I'd think. Even though I did notice in the scriptment that the human science was at least somewhat based in reality.
He didn't do faster than light travel. And went to Andromeda. And his space ship used a buttload of energy going 3/4ths the speed of light, but not the infinite energy it would need to go the same speed/past it.
So are Greg Bear, J Michael Strascynzki, Harlan Ellison, and John Carmack.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 11:19:22 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 11:19:22 AM
JMS and...Carmack? JMS I kinda get, considering all that time on Babylon 5 and his love for cosmic Marvel. But Carmack? Not something I'd expect from the guy who made Doom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 24, 2009, 11:50:32 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 24, 2009, 11:50:32 AM
Here's a two minutes scene from the movie.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15891&count=0
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15891&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 11:19:22 AM
JMS and...Carmack? JMS I kinda get, considering all that time on Babylon 5 and his love for cosmic Marvel. But Carmack? Not something I'd expect from the guy who made Doom.
Didn't Carmack recently build a spacecraft for that X-Challenge (or whatever it was called)? Consider the likes of Richard Garriot's game and space fame, doesn't surprise me too much about Carmack. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 24, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 24, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
Thanator chase scene in HD arrived online
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/movies/article/104/1047900/avatar_trl_t hanator_chase_wmvhd.wmv (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/movies/article/104/1047900/avatar_trl_t%20hanator_chase_wmvhd.wmv)
I dont know, the water looks really good and some of the environment shots, but some shots (especially the one where Jake gets caught on his backpack by the Thanator) looked very, very videogamish.
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/movies/article/104/1047900/avatar_trl_t hanator_chase_wmvhd.wmv (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/movies/article/104/1047900/avatar_trl_t%20hanator_chase_wmvhd.wmv)
I dont know, the water looks really good and some of the environment shots, but some shots (especially the one where Jake gets caught on his backpack by the Thanator) looked very, very videogamish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
Interactive Avatar Trailer Now Online
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=61144
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=61144
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 06:43:57 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 06:43:57 PM
Wow, lots of stuff hitting the web. I may have to go into hiding from any new info soon. I feel inundated already!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 24, 2009, 06:46:09 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 24, 2009, 06:46:09 PM
We're barely under a month away, I've sworn off everything but interviews.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 07:08:22 PM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 03:53:56 PMQuote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 24, 2009, 11:19:22 AM
JMS and...Carmack? JMS I kinda get, considering all that time on Babylon 5 and his love for cosmic Marvel. But Carmack? Not something I'd expect from the guy who made Doom.
Didn't Carmack recently build a spacecraft for that X-Challenge (or whatever it was called)? Consider the likes of Richard Garriot's game and space fame, doesn't surprise me too much about Carmack. :P
Came in "second place" (second closest to winning) if I'm not mistaken. Armadillo Aerospace.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
^ Ah cool. I think this is their spacecraft!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fe%2Fec%2FArmadillo_Aerospace_Pixel_Hover.jpg%2F800px-Armadillo_Aerospace_Pixel_Hover.jpg&hash=4d94b0158f5128b8d64c4f619f5ba43d0df12a69)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fe%2Fec%2FArmadillo_Aerospace_Pixel_Hover.jpg%2F800px-Armadillo_Aerospace_Pixel_Hover.jpg&hash=4d94b0158f5128b8d64c4f619f5ba43d0df12a69)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 24, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 24, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
Big, round, balls of fire.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 24, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 24, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
So, my dad started talking to me about the new "cartoon created by the guy who did Terminator."
CGI fail.
CGI fail.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 24, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
:D
Though I have heard people that refer to cartoons as anything that's animated... Just terrible use of the word, in those cases.
Though I have heard people that refer to cartoons as anything that's animated... Just terrible use of the word, in those cases.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 10:28:33 PM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 24, 2009, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 24, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
So, my dad started talking to me about the new "cartoon created by the guy who did Terminator."
CGI fail.
Probably referring to Rodriguez.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
QuoteStar Wars wasn't actually original either.
No one's ever claimed it was, but Lucas had lots of different influences which makes them easier to hide AND to create something new from those influences. Either way, it's irrelevant to Avatar's much touted "originality" or apparent lack thereof.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
Stan Winston talks the na'vi design!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predalien-hybrid on Nov 25, 2009, 01:34:33 PM
Post by: predalien-hybrid on Nov 25, 2009, 01:34:33 PM
Thanks for the link to the video, Darkoo! It's good to see Stan Winston again and his work on this film looks like its shaping up to be some of his best! Glad he went out with a bang! :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Title: Avatar (2009)
Rating: PG-13
Rating Reason: Rated PG-13 for intense epic battle sequences and warfare, sensuality, language and some smoking.
http://www.mpaa.org/
Rating: PG-13
Rating Reason: Rated PG-13 for intense epic battle sequences and warfare, sensuality, language and some smoking.
http://www.mpaa.org/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
Stan Winston talks the na'vi design!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYem8Kebop8
Cool vid! The CGI in most of those shots was really good. It is odd, sometimes I see some CGI from Avatar that looks pretty good but not living up to the hype, other times it really does look very impressive. Not too much longer until we can judge the final product ourselves, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Rating Reason: Rated PG-13 for intense epic battle sequences and warfare, sensuality, language and some smoking.
I was hoping we'd get some hot blue cat on blue cat action.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
There is probably a deleted scene of Cameron virtually humping one... May get it on the home-release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 25, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 25, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Didn't he say they had to cover the main Navi girl's boobs for the PG-13 release?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 25, 2009, 07:00:33 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 25, 2009, 07:00:33 PM
They are also making this movie for kids also, so it's no surprise that the movie is PG-13.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 25, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Avatar Featurette 'Dr. Grace Augustine'
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Nov 25, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
Post by: MrLee on Nov 25, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:09 AM
James Cameron's New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever
Please, no more Cartoon CGI looking movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Nov 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
Post by: Moody on Nov 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: mrlee on Nov 25, 2009, 07:50:21 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Nov 24, 2009, 06:18:09 AM
James Cameron's New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever
Please, no more Cartoon CGI looking movies.
I agree. Avatar looks like it could have been a great 90's cartoon like Spider-Man and Batman. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 25, 2009, 09:31:03 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 25, 2009, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Nov 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
I agree. Avatar looks like it could have been a great 90's cartoon like Spider-Man and Batman. :P
Well that's a stupid statement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 25, 2009, 10:40:30 PM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 25, 2009, 10:40:30 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
There is probably a deleted scene of Cameron virtually humping one... May get it on the home-release.
virtually?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 25, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 25, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15895&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Nov 26, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
Post by: MrLee on Nov 26, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Nov 25, 2009, 09:31:03 PM90s Cartoons are the best.Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Nov 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
I agree. Avatar looks like it could have been a great 90's cartoon like Spider-Man and Batman. :P
Well that's a stupid statement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 04:15:58 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 04:15:58 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 25, 2009, 10:40:30 PMQuote from: Cellien on Nov 25, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
There is probably a deleted scene of Cameron virtually humping one... May get it on the home-release.
virtually?
The footage is probably just Cameron thrusting his hips into a chair with some crazy goggles on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: cloverfan98 on Nov 26, 2009, 04:44:08 AM
Post by: cloverfan98 on Nov 26, 2009, 04:44:08 AM
I have some mixed feelings about this movie. The biggest thing going for it for me, is the cast (and we all know why, or who reather ;)), but while the FX and 3D look and sound great, I highly doubt it will stand up to its massive amount of hype. Also the plot sounds dumb. It's been done hundreds of times before, and I never really liked it then either. What do you all think?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2009, 04:50:29 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2009, 04:50:29 AM
Thus far, the environments have really looked spectacular. My thoughts on the Thundercats are well documented. The story is another take on Last Samurai and Dances With Wolves - neither of which are in my top 100; but I don't hate them either.
Last film to be hyped up like this was Dark Knight, which I don't think lived up to it - but then I don't know if any film could. Same deal here. People would need to go in without preconceived notions, but that could be nigh on impossible at this point.
Last film to be hyped up like this was Dark Knight, which I don't think lived up to it - but then I don't know if any film could. Same deal here. People would need to go in without preconceived notions, but that could be nigh on impossible at this point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:04:39 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:04:39 AM
^ Agree almost to a T. Only main difference being that the Na'vi grew on me fast when I saw the 15 min of 3D footage at IMAX. Prior to that I wasn't a big fan and when the concept art was posted in this thread, I displayed those sentiments.
I did enjoy Last Samurai (haven't seen Dances w/ Wolves in a very long time) and don't mind that premise even if it's been done before. But, like the Dark Knight, which IMO didn't live up to the hype, this movie is going to have a hard time living up to what movie-goers are being told to expect.
That all said, I'm looking forward to it.
I did enjoy Last Samurai (haven't seen Dances w/ Wolves in a very long time) and don't mind that premise even if it's been done before. But, like the Dark Knight, which IMO didn't live up to the hype, this movie is going to have a hard time living up to what movie-goers are being told to expect.
That all said, I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 26, 2009, 05:42:23 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 26, 2009, 05:42:23 AM
If its got monsters eating futuristic space men. I'm in.
My only thing was I didn't think the Navi were photorealistic. Still is upper echelong cgi. And the praising of Cameron as a genius. Still a guy who admits to yanking Ellison's work openly.
Everything else I'm fine with. I liked Dances with Wolves. I liked Last Samurai. I liked Glory (not quite the same but similar enough). Its what you add to the formula that makes it work or not work.
My only thing was I didn't think the Navi were photorealistic. Still is upper echelong cgi. And the praising of Cameron as a genius. Still a guy who admits to yanking Ellison's work openly.
Everything else I'm fine with. I liked Dances with Wolves. I liked Last Samurai. I liked Glory (not quite the same but similar enough). Its what you add to the formula that makes it work or not work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 26, 2009, 07:47:56 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 26, 2009, 07:47:56 AM
It'll be light fluff popcorn fun with great set pieces, no doubt.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Nov 26, 2009, 09:22:42 AM
Post by: Xhan on Nov 26, 2009, 09:22:42 AM
Ben 10: Alien Swarm had two three minute docs and ads and ads and ads and some more ads for it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Earth's appearance in "Avatar"
http://i50.tinypic.com/2419kz8.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29ne41x.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/95q2cm.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2luxabr.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2419kz8.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29ne41x.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/95q2cm.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2luxabr.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
@Mikey: Why was my comment edited?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Nov 26, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Post by: Moody on Nov 26, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Nov 25, 2009, 09:31:03 PMQuote from: ~Ezio~ on Nov 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
I agree. Avatar looks like it could have been a great 90's cartoon like Spider-Man and Batman. :P
Well that's a stupid statement.
No it isn't, it would have been more popular then thundercats.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2hoen1l.jpg&hash=34e20da72369140b0a568985aaa711d44370513d)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 26, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 26, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Damn right.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Nov 26, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
Post by: Moody on Nov 26, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
^^ That I admit looks pretty good but still not "real" but it is one of the best CGI out there now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 26, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Nov 26, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2hoen1l.jpg&hash=34e20da72369140b0a568985aaa711d44370513d)
It looks like he's holding an upgraded M60 with a C mag.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 26, 2009, 08:06:42 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 26, 2009, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
@Mikey: Why was my comment edited?
You had a misspelling... Just watching out for you...
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 26, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 26, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2hoen1l.jpg&hash=34e20da72369140b0a568985aaa711d44370513d)
Wow that look amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 26, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 26, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
Looks good...but cartoonish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 26, 2009, 09:35:41 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Nov 26, 2009, 09:35:41 PM
:o
MUMM-RA!!!
MUMM-RA!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 27, 2009, 01:43:18 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 27, 2009, 01:43:18 AM
This is great. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2hoen1l.jpg&hash=34e20da72369140b0a568985aaa711d44370513d)
Woah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 02:47:16 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 02:47:16 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Nov 26, 2009, 08:06:42 PMQuote from: Cellien on Nov 26, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
@Mikey: Why was my comment edited?
You had a misspelling... Just watching out for you...
:D
Lol, thanks bud. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: pmaz11 on Nov 27, 2009, 02:57:48 AM
Post by: pmaz11 on Nov 27, 2009, 02:57:48 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 26, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
Looks good...but cartoonish.
Yeah, I'm feeling that way about this film now
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 27, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 27, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
Why do you say it looks cartoonish? Because of the vivid colours?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 27, 2009, 04:33:13 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 27, 2009, 04:33:13 PM
CNN interviews Cameron on Avatar; new footage spliced in:
http://tinyurl.com/ydshbsa
Early negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/yllkfsz
http://tinyurl.com/ydshbsa
Early negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/yllkfsz
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 27, 2009, 04:33:13 PM
Early negative review:
http://tinyurl.com/yllkfsz
I quit reading at :
Quoteand a version of the mind-bendingly boring official trailer
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 05:39:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 05:39:44 PM
I wouldn't doubt there will be sincere negative reviews, but I'm also pretty confident that there will be plenty of negative reviews that are a reactions from the hype, that created preconceived notions from some critics that can't stand to like something others have praised.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 07:14:28 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Nov 27, 2009, 07:14:28 PM
Did anyone actually read it? Is it an actual review? Cameron isn't even done with the film yet..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
I read the link and I don't think it was even a review. Someone that claimed to have seen "a fairly large glimpse" was the one, I guess, giving the "review". :-\ Then the site just went on to trash Titanic and said Avatar will use the same formula that makes money. Whatever.. They're whole feature is a two part called "The Mounting Evidence That Avatar Will Suck."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
What wieners, I mean in what way has this film harmed them in anyway to hate it already?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 07:47:45 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 07:47:45 PM
Dunno! It might end up sucking, but I'm definitely not taking those guys' word for it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
Ditto, but I actually like every single James Cameron film and I personally have no doubts that I'll enjoy this is some way that'll it'll end up in my Blu-ray collection.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 27, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 27, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
Leona Lewis I See You, Avatar Movie Preview!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 27, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
I hope this is played late in the credits or something, lol. :D Too Titanic-y.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 27, 2009, 08:50:06 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 27, 2009, 08:50:06 PM
It's the main theme for the action sequences ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Nov 27, 2009, 08:54:04 PM
Post by: Spaghetti on Nov 27, 2009, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Earth's appearance in "Avatar"
http://i50.tinypic.com/2419kz8.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29ne41x.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/95q2cm.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2luxabr.jpg
Gives be a Blade Runner tingle all over.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 09:14:43 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 27, 2009, 09:14:43 PM
Song sounds okay so far :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 27, 2009, 10:39:59 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 27, 2009, 10:39:59 PM
I think the review is a fake IIRC?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 28, 2009, 01:15:38 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 28, 2009, 01:15:38 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Nov 27, 2009, 08:54:04 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Nov 26, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Earth's appearance in "Avatar"
http://i50.tinypic.com/2419kz8.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29ne41x.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/95q2cm.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2luxabr.jpg
Gives be a Blade Runner tingle all over.
Me likes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 28, 2009, 03:20:37 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 28, 2009, 03:20:37 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 27, 2009, 08:50:06 PM:D I sure hope not... Otherwise Cameron can have Michelle Rodriguez shoot me in the head. :P
It's the main theme for the action sequences ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 28, 2009, 08:11:26 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 28, 2009, 08:11:26 AM
Avatarize Yourself!
Oddcast.com widget sponsored by McDonalds is in German, but you can probably make your way thru it. You upload an image of yourself to see what you would look like as an Avatar. Give it try!
http://www.mcdonalds.de/produkte/avatar.cfm?MiD=0.3
http://avatarmoviezone.com/
Oddcast.com widget sponsored by McDonalds is in German, but you can probably make your way thru it. You upload an image of yourself to see what you would look like as an Avatar. Give it try!
http://www.mcdonalds.de/produkte/avatar.cfm?MiD=0.3
http://avatarmoviezone.com/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 28, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 28, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
10 minute feature on Avatar; includes the Banshee taming scenes and a soundtrack preview:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline2.php?id=15936
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline2.php?id=15936
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 28, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 28, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Nov 28, 2009, 08:11:26 AM
Avatarize Yourself!
Oddcast.com widget sponsored by McDonalds is in German, but you can probably make your way thru it. You upload an image of yourself to see what you would look like as an Avatar. Give it try!
http://www.mcdonalds.de/produkte/avatar.cfm?MiD=0.3
http://avatarmoviezone.com/
Lol, it's actually kinda fun because it puts your face on a 3D model. I think this links to mine:
http://www.mcdonalds.de/produkte/avatar.cfm?MiD=32093875.2
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 29, 2009, 04:25:16 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 29, 2009, 04:25:16 AM
I posted this in the Avatar game thread as well, but I made these from the game demo. They are cross-eye 3D pics (or can be viewed w/ nVidia 3D Vision glasses). I have a hard time with the cross-eyed method myself, but I know some people enjoy it.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi265.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii240%2Fgadget_man7%2FAvatarDemo02_50SMALLjps.jpg&hash=aae7a8135a36419fe505d3d3319c0f5bf273f4a9)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi265.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii240%2Fgadget_man7%2FAvatarDemo10_50SMALLjps.jpg&hash=c4deeb3e0c60d3086dfa6948b21441006cfb1606)
Open in new window for larger size.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi265.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii240%2Fgadget_man7%2FAvatarDemo02_50SMALLjps.jpg&hash=aae7a8135a36419fe505d3d3319c0f5bf273f4a9)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi265.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii240%2Fgadget_man7%2FAvatarDemo10_50SMALLjps.jpg&hash=c4deeb3e0c60d3086dfa6948b21441006cfb1606)
Open in new window for larger size.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Nov 29, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Nov 29, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
Really looking forward to this movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 29, 2009, 03:58:12 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 29, 2009, 03:58:12 PM
New badass tv spot!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 29, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 29, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
EXPLOSIONS!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 29, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 29, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
Terry Bradshaw knows football and apparently, he also knows James Cameron. Watch this clip ;D
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/nfl-on-fox-terry-takes-on-avatar/1253wt9s
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/nfl-on-fox-terry-takes-on-avatar/1253wt9s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 29, 2009, 09:40:43 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Nov 29, 2009, 09:40:43 PM
I love Terry Bradshaw. That man always cracks me up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 30, 2009, 09:07:02 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Nov 30, 2009, 09:07:02 PM
New tv-spot
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 30, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 30, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
Their doing Happy Meal toys for this movie at Mcdonalds soon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Dam! I went downstairs
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 01:09:33 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 01:09:33 AM
I'm surpirse they making kids stuff for this movie, I always thought they would be trageting this movies for adults though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:34:50 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:34:50 AM
QuoteI'm surpirse they making kids stuff for this movie, I always thought they would be trageting this movies for adults though.
Why would you be surprised? They've spent an arseload of money making and marketing it, so being PG-13 they're going to try and cash in, in every way possible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: XenoVC on Dec 01, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
Post by: XenoVC on Dec 01, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 01, 2009, 01:09:33 AM
I'm surpirse they making kids stuff for this movie, I always thought they would be trageting this movies for adults though.
Er.....Alien had kids stuff when it came out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 01:50:22 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 01:50:22 AM
Anyone got tickets yet?
I know, but Avatar seems like a movie that kids are most likely not going to see.
Quoteso being PG-13 they're going to try and cash in, in every way possible.
I know, but Avatar seems like a movie that kids are most likely not going to see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:53:01 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:53:01 AM
Can't see why kids wouldn't get in. Do they check for ID at PG-13 films?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 01, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 01, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
I'm going to make sure to get tickets this weekend.
My IMAX theater finally confirmed they were doing an IMAX 3d midnight screening.
My IMAX theater finally confirmed they were doing an IMAX 3d midnight screening.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
I'm getting my tickets soon this weekend also.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 01, 2009, 02:48:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 01, 2009, 02:48:21 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 01, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Dam! I went downstairs to Target today and hoping I would find Avatar on PC. They had it for the 360 and PS3 but not for the PC, what bullshit! >:(
Dude, I'm wanting on PC too. Also waiting for nVidia to fix the f*cking driver for stereoscopic on 3D Vision shutter glasses. I can get it to work on the demo, but it looks much better if I can control the 3D settings in game (convergence and optimizing for specific 3D modes.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Dec 01, 2009, 05:53:27 AM
Post by: stephen on Dec 01, 2009, 05:53:27 AM
I've got tickets for Wednesday the 16th at 5 pm.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 06:15:19 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 01, 2009, 06:15:19 AM
I thought it comes out on the 18th?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Dec 01, 2009, 06:16:11 AM
Post by: stephen on Dec 01, 2009, 06:16:11 AM
Oh the beauty of Advanced Screenings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 01, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 01, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
New Avatar Clip
http://www.panasonic.com/promos/avatar/?cm_mmc=dotglu_viera-_-ad_FYQ32009-_-IGN-_-Avatar_lp
I really, really like how Cameron does it. Even simple things like this.
http://www.panasonic.com/promos/avatar/?cm_mmc=dotglu_viera-_-ad_FYQ32009-_-IGN-_-Avatar_lp
I really, really like how Cameron does it. Even simple things like this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 01, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 01, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Christ I need to order my tickets asap!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 01, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 01, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
Damn... Turns out Austin IMAX is getting the movie after all (originally they said they weren't) but no advanced screenings. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 02, 2009, 07:57:23 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 02, 2009, 07:57:23 PM
8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F3088f1g.jpg&hash=0127e8d7bddb4f524eedf81a9f11ae8ccb98e416)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F3088f1g.jpg&hash=0127e8d7bddb4f524eedf81a9f11ae8ccb98e416)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 02, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 02, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
That could be dangerous w/out a seatbelt.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 02, 2009, 08:44:44 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 02, 2009, 08:44:44 PM
Let's kill some na'vi
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F2873i9c.jpg&hash=ac2eb6aed2e243a1c12698be3bc2f7a0efe4b9da)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F2873i9c.jpg&hash=ac2eb6aed2e243a1c12698be3bc2f7a0efe4b9da)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 02, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 02, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
Woah.
I wonder if these might be from the upcoming issue of Cinefex?
I wonder if these might be from the upcoming issue of Cinefex?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 02, 2009, 09:46:58 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 02, 2009, 09:46:58 PM
So god damn excited!!!!!! Two weeks away!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 02, 2009, 10:42:55 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 02, 2009, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 02, 2009, 08:44:44 PM
Let's kill some na'vi
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F2873i9c.jpg&hash=ac2eb6aed2e243a1c12698be3bc2f7a0efe4b9da)
Sweet! What does it transform into?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 02, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 02, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
is that a gears of war-like chainsaw under the gun?
Title: Re: Avatar (2009)
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 02, 2009, 11:14:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 02, 2009, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 20, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
2009 will be here before you know it. 2009 is going to be a good year for movies.
Funny how I posted that two years ago, and now it's 2009 already. I was right :P.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 02, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 02, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 03, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 03, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 02, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
is that a gears of war-like chainsaw under the gun?
THAT'S A NOIFE
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 03, 2009, 02:57:19 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 03, 2009, 02:57:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 02, 2009, 10:42:55 PM
Sweet! What does it transform into?
Well the hatch opens and the pilot can jump out... So I guess just a lonely mech. :\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 03, 2009, 05:07:05 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 03, 2009, 05:07:05 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=15986
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 03, 2009, 05:24:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 03, 2009, 05:24:21 AM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Dec 03, 2009, 02:04:03 PM
Post by: Vanski on Dec 03, 2009, 02:04:03 PM
No wonder he has made a lot of his fans happy ;D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Dec 03, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
Post by: PLEXI on Dec 03, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
The AMP suit gives me ZAKU II vibes...can't wait to see more action scenes with them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 03, 2009, 07:14:25 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 03, 2009, 07:14:25 PM
New Avatar clip with Sigourney Weaver
http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-trailers/?g=4ba11be7-9b17-470b-bd7f-93b1d364086d
http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-trailers/?g=4ba11be7-9b17-470b-bd7f-93b1d364086d
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 04, 2009, 01:09:38 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 04, 2009, 01:09:38 AM
24 fps gives a sweet ethereal look to the live action parts, but I feel like I've seen this before...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2Fwu1q8h.jpg&hash=2e6017a3dc6fcb244a49c65e59c3feb1912856a6)
...maybe in another Cameron movie with aliens.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2Fwu1q8h.jpg&hash=2e6017a3dc6fcb244a49c65e59c3feb1912856a6)
...maybe in another Cameron movie with aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 04, 2009, 01:58:55 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 04, 2009, 01:58:55 AM
Does anyone know how long the movie is going to be?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:00:14 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:00:14 AM
Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 04, 2009, 02:04:23 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 04, 2009, 02:04:23 AM
I think you left out a few o's. I believe there were also two n's in the official statement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 04, 2009, 02:05:25 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 04, 2009, 02:05:25 AM
well i hope its a t least three hours that would be cool
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:07:17 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:07:17 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 04, 2009, 02:04:23 AM
I think you left out a few o's. I believe there were also two n's in the official statement.
O RLY? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 04, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 04, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
Yes, really. I think I have a quote somewhere. Ah, here it is:
QuoteQ. So, how long will this film be, roughly?
A. Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonng.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 04, 2009, 02:13:41 AM
Oh yeah, that quote. Kyuh, of course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 04, 2009, 03:10:07 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 04, 2009, 03:10:07 AM
New clip.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16004&count=0
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16004&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Dec 05, 2009, 04:11:05 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Dec 05, 2009, 04:11:05 AM
Its just over 2 and a half hours runtime.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
Post by: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
Me and my mate just booked to go to see Avatar on a IMAX screen, i cant wait. However i will have to travel afew hours in a car up Manchester, since the is only a handfull of IMAX screens in the UK. :(
By the way this will be my first time viewing a film on a IMAX screen so i hope its worth the truble, and im glad i passed me driving test so i can do this sort of stuff that is out of my area.
By the way this will be my first time viewing a film on a IMAX screen so i hope its worth the truble, and im glad i passed me driving test so i can do this sort of stuff that is out of my area.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 05, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
Post by: Razz on Dec 05, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 09:11:23 AMThere is only 3 in the UK, 1 as you said in manchester (which i live about 20 mins away from the city centre where the IMAX cinema is at) and the other 2 in London.
Me and my mate just booked to go to see Avatar on a IMAX screen, i cant wait. However i will have to travel afew hours in a car up Manchester, since the is only a handfull of IMAX screens in the UK. :(
The one in manchester is awsome though, went to see The Dark Knight twice there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 05, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 05, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
163 minutes if I remember correctly. I can't remember where I heard that I think it was off comingsoon.net.
I've got my tickets for a preview screening on the 16th so this is me right now > :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've got my tickets for a preview screening on the 16th so this is me right now > :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 05, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 05, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
Wait, there's only 3 in the UK? There's two in Edmonton alone, and we only have about a million people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 05, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 05, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
I've got 1 within 30 min from me, 2 more about 1.5 hrs away (San Antonio).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 08:24:18 PM
Post by: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Razz on Dec 05, 2009, 10:35:35 AMQuote from: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 09:11:23 AMThere is only 3 in the UK, 1 as you said in manchester (which i live about 20 mins away from the city centre where the IMAX cinema is at) and the other 2 in London.
Me and my mate just booked to go to see Avatar on a IMAX screen, i cant wait. However i will have to travel afew hours in a car up Manchester, since the is only a handfull of IMAX screens in the UK. :(
The one in manchester is awsome though, went to see The Dark Knight twice there.
Its a shame for them that cant view how the movie is ment to be seen. However i have to make my way up from middlesbrough to manchester for a midnight screening. If it was any other director i doubt i would make the effort, but this is a james cameron movie so i have to do it. If the movie is a big hit i bet more IMAX screens will pop up around the UK. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 05, 2009, 10:31:48 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 05, 2009, 10:31:48 PM
I'm fortunate enough to have an IMAX theater 35 minutes away.
Got my IMAX 3d midnight showing tickets yesterday.
Got my IMAX 3d midnight showing tickets yesterday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Don Dorris on Dec 05, 2009, 11:57:05 PM
Post by: Don Dorris on Dec 05, 2009, 11:57:05 PM
Quote from: Razz on Dec 05, 2009, 10:35:35 AMThere's also one in Glasgow.Quote from: Kimo on Dec 05, 2009, 09:11:23 AMThere is only 3 in the UK, 1 as you said in manchester (which i live about 20 mins away from the city centre where the IMAX cinema is at) and the other 2 in London.
Me and my mate just booked to go to see Avatar on a IMAX screen, i cant wait. However i will have to travel afew hours in a car up Manchester, since the is only a handfull of IMAX screens in the UK. :(
The one in manchester is awsome though, went to see The Dark Knight twice there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 06, 2009, 12:36:25 AM
Post by: Razz on Dec 06, 2009, 12:36:25 AM
Yeah just got told theres a 4th one now, still not as many even for this country.:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: War Wager on Dec 06, 2009, 12:42:15 AM
Post by: War Wager on Dec 06, 2009, 12:42:15 AM
Theres one in Glasgow?! That's new to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 06, 2009, 03:45:50 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 06, 2009, 03:45:50 AM
I got my ticket for IMAX today, but too bad it's not in 3D though. I hope the DVD release will be in 3D though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 06, 2009, 03:51:35 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 06, 2009, 03:51:35 AM
Wow, not 3d IMAX?
How old is your theater?
How old is your theater?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 06, 2009, 03:56:51 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 06, 2009, 03:56:51 AM
Like seven years old or so, my AMC said today that they are not playing a 3D version. They got Imax like a year ago back in June.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Dec 08, 2009, 04:25:42 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Dec 08, 2009, 04:25:42 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16046&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: pmaz11 on Dec 08, 2009, 05:15:06 AM
Post by: pmaz11 on Dec 08, 2009, 05:15:06 AM
WOW...that is a horrible theme song...
- I'm kinda disappointed with the direction they went with this film, it should of had a darker atmosphere to it.
- I'm kinda disappointed with the direction they went with this film, it should of had a darker atmosphere to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 08, 2009, 05:39:49 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 08, 2009, 05:39:49 AM
Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman - I Will Find You, from Last Of The Mohicans I thought was very feminine and dark all at the sametime, they should have went in that type of direction instead for the Avatar theme.
But this song right here has no class at all.
But this song right here has no class at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 08, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 08, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
Yeah that song just sucks. Obviously trying to recreate Titanic success there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
New Avatar trailer: The Aliens version ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 08, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 08, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
Man that made me want to go watch Aliens again and im more hyped about watching that again for the 101st time than seeing avatar
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 08, 2009, 07:54:27 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 08, 2009, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PMGreat and funny.
New Avatar trailer: The Aliens version ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtOCBKNTN2U
I'm sick and tired of Avatars CGI already to be honest, i liked the old FX in the trailer better than anything I've seen in Avatar so far.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 08, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 08, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
New Avatar trailer: The Aliens version ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtOCBKNTN2U
Corporal Hicks is now twice as badass 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 08, 2009, 09:11:53 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 08, 2009, 09:11:53 PM
It's hilarious when he says "This is your Avatar" and it's showing a facehugger. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 10:06:15 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 10:06:15 PM
LOL!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg46.imageshack.us%2Fimg46%2F2401%2Fjunglegottadie.jpg&hash=6cc442f1c6ef4efd3fe974a490d237191205a554)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg46.imageshack.us%2Fimg46%2F2401%2Fjunglegottadie.jpg&hash=6cc442f1c6ef4efd3fe974a490d237191205a554)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 08, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 08, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 09, 2009, 02:48:51 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 09, 2009, 02:48:51 AM
I just beat the game playing through in S3D. I beat it as the RDA human side although
It was pretty fun. Got me a bit more excited for the movie.
Reminds me of Lost Planet mixed with some Halo and a tad of Mass Effect's RPG leveling up. Probably go through and play as the Na'vi. The 3D is incredible.
Spoiler
I chose to fight for the Na'vi as a RDA soldier towards the end.
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It was pretty fun. Got me a bit more excited for the movie.
Reminds me of Lost Planet mixed with some Halo and a tad of Mass Effect's RPG leveling up. Probably go through and play as the Na'vi. The 3D is incredible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 09, 2009, 07:21:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 09, 2009, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
New Avatar trailer: The Aliens version ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtOCBKNTN2U
Brilliant :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 09, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 09, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 09, 2009, 07:21:39 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Dec 08, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
New Avatar trailer: The Aliens version ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtOCBKNTN2U
Brilliant :)
Was that an A:R alien at the end?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 09, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 09, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
http://www.pandorapedia.org/doku.php
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 09, 2009, 11:24:35 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 09, 2009, 11:24:35 PM
An Avatar Wiki? Already?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 01:14:25 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 01:14:25 AM
It's a Pandora Encyclopedia. There's one on the game too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 10, 2009, 04:26:06 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 10, 2009, 04:26:06 AM
There's already an Avatar Wiki, if you look it up, but it's made by fans. This is the wiki-like site they were putting up to coincide with the toy line.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Haggar on Dec 10, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
Post by: Haggar on Dec 10, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/12/10/james-cameron-developing-sci-fi-samurai-movie-doomsday-protocol/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
You can watch the London Premier live here:
http://www.camvista.com/england/london/leicestersquare.php3
They are still working on preparations right now.
http://www.camvista.com/england/london/leicestersquare.php3
They are still working on preparations right now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 10, 2009, 05:35:26 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 10, 2009, 05:35:26 PM
I've now got a job at my local cinema so I can see this as many times as I want :) Man I'm excited.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
You can watch the London Premier live here:
http://www.camvista.com/england/london/leicestersquare.php3
They are still working on preparations right now.
Cool! The video still doesn't show anything for me yet though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 06:38:37 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:22:37 PMProbably because so many people are watching it right now.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
You can watch the London Premier live here:
http://www.camvista.com/england/london/leicestersquare.php3
They are still working on preparations right now.
Cool! The video still doesn't show anything for me yet though.
Works fine for me, watching it now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
Ah yes, working now. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 06:55:35 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 06:55:35 PM
Looks like the first people arrived now huh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
Dunno, that giant screen has kept my attention, lol. Like a moth to a lightbulb. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 06:57:39 PMSame ;D
Dunno, that giant screen has kept my attention, lol. Like a moth to a lightbulb. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Gettin' a little boring, hehe. At least it's something to pass the time at work. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:07:38 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:07:38 PM
What time does the movie actually start?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Film Clip - "Not in Kansas Anymore"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:10:33 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:07:38 PM
What time does the movie actually start?
No idea...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:14:03 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:14:03 PM
This will change cinema forever... they changed the red carpet to a blue one!! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:20:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:20:42 PM
That is hilarious because I was staring at that and thinking it was funny it was blue. :D
Some early opinions:
And there have been a lot of rumours. Rumours that the budget was double the stated amount, more like $500m. Rumours that the 3D effects were making people nauseous. Rumours that the film, two hours and 40 minutes long, was a complete car crash.
The Guardian can reveal that the last two are untrue. The film does not make you feel sick and it is not a disaster. All journalists watching the movie in Fox's Soho headquarters had to sign a form agreeing not to publish a review or even express a professional opinion online or in print before Monday.
So by saying Avatar was really much, much better than expected, that it looked amazing and that the story was gripping – if cheesy in many places – the Guardian is in technical breach of the agreement. It is not a breach, however, to report that other journalists leaving the screening were also positive: the terrible film that some had been anticipating had not materialised. It was good.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/dec/10/james-cameron-avatar-preview
Some early opinions:
And there have been a lot of rumours. Rumours that the budget was double the stated amount, more like $500m. Rumours that the 3D effects were making people nauseous. Rumours that the film, two hours and 40 minutes long, was a complete car crash.
The Guardian can reveal that the last two are untrue. The film does not make you feel sick and it is not a disaster. All journalists watching the movie in Fox's Soho headquarters had to sign a form agreeing not to publish a review or even express a professional opinion online or in print before Monday.
So by saying Avatar was really much, much better than expected, that it looked amazing and that the story was gripping – if cheesy in many places – the Guardian is in technical breach of the agreement. It is not a breach, however, to report that other journalists leaving the screening were also positive: the terrible film that some had been anticipating had not materialised. It was good.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/dec/10/james-cameron-avatar-preview
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:28:06 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:28:06 PM
I never expected it to be a bad movie, just not the life changing experience like they are selling it and want so desperately stuff in our throats.
Total film gives this 4/5 stars by the way.
Total film gives this 4/5 stars by the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
Nice! I think that has wet my appetite enough... Gonna try to stay away from much else until I see it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
WTF ???
They are rolling in the carpets, shutting down the lights, its over already.
They are rolling in the carpets, shutting down the lights, its over already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:00:24 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:00:24 PM
I guess they are inside watching it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 08:10:26 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 10, 2009, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:00:24 PMDon't they normally wrap everything up until after everyone left?
I guess they are inside watching it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
I'm really not sure..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:25:45 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:25:45 PM
Reactions
Avatar screening in Texas just let out - exit polls reveal lots of happy people who were blown away!!!!!!
Also from Cinematical writer.
http://twitter.com/ErikDavis
http://twitter.com/PeterSHall
The AVATAR buzz is an understatement. That movie was unbelievable.
From chud.com
Can't write about the flick but I can be thrilled about it candidly. Cynical movie folks notwithstanding, not many will be disappointed.
http://twitter.com/nicknunziata
From Toronto screening
Was blown away by Avatar! For 150 minutes, I was a kid again. Thank you James Cameron! BTW, the groundbreaking 3D was mindblowing!
http://twitter.com/MikePereira21
Avatar screening in Texas just let out - exit polls reveal lots of happy people who were blown away!!!!!!
Also from Cinematical writer.
http://twitter.com/ErikDavis
http://twitter.com/PeterSHall
The AVATAR buzz is an understatement. That movie was unbelievable.
From chud.com
Can't write about the flick but I can be thrilled about it candidly. Cynical movie folks notwithstanding, not many will be disappointed.
http://twitter.com/nicknunziata
From Toronto screening
Was blown away by Avatar! For 150 minutes, I was a kid again. Thank you James Cameron! BTW, the groundbreaking 3D was mindblowing!
http://twitter.com/MikePereira21
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:28:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:28:08 PM
There was a screening in Texas!?!?!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Frog on Dec 10, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
Post by: Frog on Dec 10, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
My two best friends and I are partying it up and hitting Avatar in 3D next Friday! I can't wait! We are also gonna check out Red Cliff (based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novels) that Saturday!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:36:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:36:50 PM
I got tickets for 18th with another couple to go with as well, at IMAX. If Star Trek was any indication, we'll probably have to get there 2 hours early so we don't have to sit in the FRONT FREAKING ROW this time. :( We thought 1 hour early would be enough time to garner good seats...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:05 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:28:08 PMYep :o
There was a screening in Texas!?!?!
C. Robert Cargill aintitcool guy saw Avatar in Austin
QuoteSo I just got back from a movie. It was pretty great...if by pretty great I mean OMFGHOLYf**kINGSHITOMGOMGOMG. Because that's what it was.http://twitter.com/Massawyrm
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
Thoese reviews sound awesome. I can't wait to see this!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:39:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:05 PMQuote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:28:08 PMYep :o
There was a screening in Texas!?!?!
C. Robert Cargill aintitcool guy saw Avatar in Austin
Damn. Lol... I live there. Only for press anyways I'd imagine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Great to see early positive talk on this film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 09:27:24 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 09:27:24 PM
QuoteJames Cameron is a freakin' genius! I can't say much but wow, I loved it. Avatar was phenomenal, pretty much blew me away.http://twitter.com/firstshowing/status/6543252637
Harry Knowles
Quotean astonishing sensory experience unlike anything I've seen on film. Holy f**k wow. - I wonder what that could be about... ahemhttp://twitter.com/headgeek666/status/6543202844
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 10, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 10, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
I wish my IMAX would play it in 3D. I hope the movie is good since I can deal without the 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2009, 12:36:48 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2009, 12:36:48 AM
British critics declare Avatar a non-trainwreck (http://www.defamer.com.au/2009/12/british-critics-declare-avatar-a-non-trainwreck/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 11, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 11, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
5/5 from Empire, and Fox has lifted the Embargo, should see plenty.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 01:38:39 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 01:38:39 AM
Wow...
I figured it would at least be a fun movie, but seems it's shaping up to be a rather "eventful film". Somehow, as if you'd think the hype couldn't get any higher... it just did. :P
I figured it would at least be a fun movie, but seems it's shaping up to be a rather "eventful film". Somehow, as if you'd think the hype couldn't get any higher... it just did. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 11, 2009, 02:37:07 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 11, 2009, 02:37:07 AM
God, I want this film to come out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 03:08:55 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 03:08:55 AM
Only one more week, I have a feeling it might get a best picture nom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 11, 2009, 04:13:58 AM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 11, 2009, 04:13:58 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:39:50 PMQuote from: Darkoo on Dec 10, 2009, 08:38:05 PMQuote from: Cellien on Dec 10, 2009, 08:28:08 PMYep :o
There was a screening in Texas!?!?!
C. Robert Cargill aintitcool guy saw Avatar in Austin
Damn. Lol... I live there. Only for press anyways I'd imagine.
Yep. and Rodriguez.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 04:39:34 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 04:39:34 AM
It has 100% on RT right now, I can see this movie getting a 90-97% on RT. I can't wait any longer!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 11, 2009, 04:40:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 11, 2009, 04:40:45 AM
I feel like I'm going to explode from anticipation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2009, 04:52:20 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2009, 04:52:20 AM
Post pics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 05:15:57 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 05:15:57 AM
I feel like this movie is going to be better then D9 in my opinion. I wish I can freeze my self until next Friday. Good thing I got tickets.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 11, 2009, 05:53:05 AM
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 11, 2009, 05:53:05 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 11, 2009, 05:15:57 AM
I feel like this movie is going to be better then D9 in my opinion. I wish I can freeze my self until next Friday. Good thing I got tickets.
Really? I doubt Avatar will be as amazing to me personally as D9 was, but thats just me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 05:55:34 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 05:55:34 AM
I don't see the point in comparing them especially when only one is even out yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 11, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 11, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
It is relieving to see that people are liking the film.
This makes me even more excited to see it next thursday.
This makes me even more excited to see it next thursday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
God damn it! Come out already!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
... that's what she said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2009, 01:23:47 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2009, 01:23:47 PM
Sigourney Weaver is about to have a interview shown on Channel 4 about Avatar.....
[UPDATE] Well they had some interesting clips and the usual interview stuff nothing new. But my blood boiled when they were talking about Alien and they quoted 'Alien' 1979 courtesy of 20th century Fox, but only had shots from ALIEN RESURRECTION!
Crappy researchers at Channel 4. >:(
[UPDATE] Well they had some interesting clips and the usual interview stuff nothing new. But my blood boiled when they were talking about Alien and they quoted 'Alien' 1979 courtesy of 20th century Fox, but only had shots from ALIEN RESURRECTION!
Crappy researchers at Channel 4. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Necronomicon IV on Dec 11, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
Post by: Necronomicon IV on Dec 11, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
I am so seeing this. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Empire 5/5,
ComingSoon.net 9/10
TimesOnline 4/5
The Independent 4/5
SlashFilm 8/10
TotalFilm 5/5
Yahoo Movies UK 4.5/5
Chud.com 92/100
Good to see the critics enjoying it.
ComingSoon.net 9/10
TimesOnline 4/5
The Independent 4/5
SlashFilm 8/10
TotalFilm 5/5
Yahoo Movies UK 4.5/5
Chud.com 92/100
Good to see the critics enjoying it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Frog on Dec 11, 2009, 07:01:34 PM
Post by: Frog on Dec 11, 2009, 07:01:34 PM
Currenty netting a 94%(16 reviews) over at Rotten Tomatoes...
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 11, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 11, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Empire 5/5,
ComingSoon.net 9/10
TimesOnline 4/5
The Independent 4/5
SlashFilm 8/10
TotalFilm 5/5
Yahoo Movies UK 4.5/5
Chud.com 92/100
Good to see the critics enjoying it.
its a jim cameron film, they can't not like it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 09:25:41 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 09:25:41 PM
Was anyone going to think that this movie was going to be bad in the first place. James Cameron never let us done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 11, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
No, but I was cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
How much would this movie make on it's opeaing weekend? Transformers 2 had the highest opeaing weekend of the year so far, and I wounder if Avatar can out beat it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 12:05:56 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 12:05:56 AM
Local paper gave it 3 out 5. Brilliant 3D visuals populated by sadly 2D characters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 12:07:17 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 11, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
How much would this movie make on it's opeaing weekend? Transformers 2 had the highest opeaing weekend of the year so far, and I wounder if Avatar can out beat it?
I fu#king hope so! >:(
That steaming pile of Michael MasturBaytion does not deserve that kind of intake! I mean for crying out loud, I cannot think of a... oh never mind. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 12:09:09 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 12:09:09 AM
I agree with you, wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 12:10:09 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 12:10:09 AM
Thanks... :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 12, 2009, 01:24:35 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 12, 2009, 01:24:35 AM
This is an uncredited Edgar Rice Burroughs film with Call Me Joe thrown in for good measure. Anyone going into this buying the original idea hype is being dense. That said, if it's not insultingly stupid and the 3D does interesting things with the z axis, it could be enjoyable. Maybe not "film of the year for all years" like some expect, but again, that's just stupid thinking by now.
The critics are getting annoying, though. They drop "original," "draw-dropping," "epic," and "masterpiece" so often in their feud for the best Avatar review you can almost see the Cameron farina glistening on their lips. Have some dignity, folks.
The critics are getting annoying, though. They drop "original," "draw-dropping," "epic," and "masterpiece" so often in their feud for the best Avatar review you can almost see the Cameron farina glistening on their lips. Have some dignity, folks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 12, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 12, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
He didn't even bother to take the cover off Call Me Joe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 12, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 12, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
Why is everyone on this fourm seem so blue on this movie :-[? Well it has like 92% the last time I check, I think it get higher in another few more days. I think this movie is going to amazing and I hope it's worth the long wait. It been while since we had a amazing Scifi movie. I hope this will be just as great or better then D9.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
Most of the bad reviews see to be focused on the film being good, but not living up to the hype. I think you're right Chibi Kiriyama, it may not be the best orgasmic film ever made but it is still most certainly worth the watch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 12, 2009, 02:58:22 AM
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 12, 2009, 02:58:22 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 12, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
Why is everyone on this fourm seem so blue on this movie :-[? Well it has like 92% the last time I check, I think it get higher in another few more days. I think this movie is going to amazing and I hope it's worth the long wait. It been while since we had a amazing Scifi movie. I hope this will be just as great or better then D9.
Maybe we are being Blue cause the aliens are Blue? Bad joke I know, but all kidding aside I'm not sure why I am not really hyped for this. Maybe because the story seems to have been done many times before, but mainly I guess all the pre hype telling us that this will be the greatest film of all time is getting to me. I felt the same way about the Dark Knight too. Don't get me wrong, I really hope this is good though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
Which do you think was hyped more, Avatar or TDK?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 12, 2009, 03:05:38 AM
Post by: cloverfan98 on Dec 12, 2009, 03:05:38 AM
I'm not sure. I did love TDK though, I guess its just a odd thing about me. I mainly gett hyped up about movies in series I already love, or new movies with good viral marketing like District 9. I do like other films though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 12, 2009, 05:07:49 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 12, 2009, 05:07:49 AM
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091211/REVIEWS/912119998
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 12, 2009, 05:19:02 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 12, 2009, 05:19:02 AM
I like Ebert then most crtics, 4 stars from him will be good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 12, 2009, 05:22:55 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 12, 2009, 05:22:55 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 12, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
Why is everyone on this fourm seem so blue on this movie :-[?
Welcome to the internet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 12, 2009, 05:43:30 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 12, 2009, 05:43:30 AM
I just got my Avatar tickets for IMAX 3D, heck even reserved my seats 8)
This movie is going to be scary awesome.
This movie is going to be scary awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 07:19:32 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 07:19:32 AM
If it has Ebert's support, I have a feeling I will not be disappointed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Dec 12, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Post by: Scree on Dec 12, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Chester A. Bum is the only critic that I trust and respect. I'm still waiting for his opinion. If it's positive I'll go see Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 06:16:51 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 06:16:51 PM
I have a feeling he'll like it. Granted, he didn't like Citizen Kane, so you never know. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 09:01:41 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 09:01:41 PM
QuoteWhy is everyone on this fourm seem so blue on this movie ?
Cos not everyone is going to like exactly what you like.
Might be an alien concept but there you go.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
QuoteWhy is everyone on this fourm seem so blue on this movie ?
Oh zing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
Da ba dee da ba di da ba dee da ba di !!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 09:24:15 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 12, 2009, 09:24:15 PM
Argh! Just when I'd shaken that infernal tune from my memory...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 12, 2009, 09:58:24 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 12, 2009, 09:58:24 PM
Ben Stiller promoting Avatar on The Tonight Show :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 12, 2009, 10:19:57 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 12, 2009, 10:19:57 PM
Lol... That was odd. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 13, 2009, 01:52:05 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 13, 2009, 01:52:05 AM
That was great. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 11:49:55 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: Scree on Dec 12, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Chester A. Bum is the only critic that I trust and respect. I'm still waiting for his opinion. If it's positive I'll go see Avatar.
Going to see a film just because a certain critic likes it, is not a wise choice.
I'm going to see it whether the critics like it or not, I'll judge it myself with my own criticism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 11:49:55 AMBum Reviews with Chester A. Bum is an hilarious piss-take. It's not something to take seriously.
Going to see a film just because a certain critic likes it, is not a wise choice.
I'm going to see it whether the critics like it or not, I'll judge it myself with my own criticism.
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews
Enjoy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 12:09:30 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:04:36 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Dec 13, 2009, 11:49:55 AMBum Reviews with Chester A. Bum is an hilarious piss-take. It's not something to take seriously.
Going to see a film just because a certain critic likes it, is not a wise choice.
I'm going to see it whether the critics like it or not, I'll judge it myself with my own criticism.
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews
Enjoy.
Ah thank you I wasn't aware of that. I thought he was being serious when he said he trusts his opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 13, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 13, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
My favourite review of his was the Citizen Kane one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 13, 2009, 06:30:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 13, 2009, 06:30:07 PM
Starting Monday, I'm gonna have to stay away from the interwebz forumz as much as possible for fear of spoilers for this movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 13, 2009, 06:37:47 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 13, 2009, 06:37:47 PM
Same here, the movie on RT had like a 94% which is good enough for me. I'm going to say alway from this thread and from movie review sites until Friday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 15, 2009, 04:38:19 AM
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 15, 2009, 04:38:19 AM
Holy crap.... This movie's estimated cost (including marketing) is estimated to be almost half a billion dollars!!!!!!
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/avatar-joins-tradition-hollywood-colossus-ap
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/avatar-joins-tradition-hollywood-colossus-ap
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2009, 05:33:57 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2009, 05:33:57 AM
Roofles.
It would really need to make its money back in theaters if that was true for producers to think about making sequels.
If it grosses 300 million in theaters......great for any other blockbuster but that would leave Cam and company 200 million in the jackpot short.
He aimed for the stars, hope he doesn't fall in the mud.
Even though like Cameron, I dont worry that he won't make it back.
It would really need to make its money back in theaters if that was true for producers to think about making sequels.
If it grosses 300 million in theaters......great for any other blockbuster but that would leave Cam and company 200 million in the jackpot short.
He aimed for the stars, hope he doesn't fall in the mud.
Even though like Cameron, I dont worry that he won't make it back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 15, 2009, 05:45:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 15, 2009, 05:45:26 AM
The movie pretty much has to make a billion dollars to be worth it.
...It feels so weird saying that and it not being hyperbole.
...It feels so weird saying that and it not being hyperbole.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 06:12:08 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 06:12:08 AM
The movie has like a 95% or so on RT, the hype and the amazing reviews will make people see it. The movie will likely be #1 this week and another few weeks later maybe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 15, 2009, 07:02:54 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 15, 2009, 07:02:54 AM
I don't see why you keep saying that. The movie is getting good reviews, yes, but that does not mean people are going to go see it. It may just make the money, it probably won't.
Great reviews do not always equal tickets sold.
Great reviews do not always equal tickets sold.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 15, 2009, 07:06:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 15, 2009, 07:06:31 AM
It has pretty 'sploshuns.
Although I know at least one guy not at all interested in seeing it that ISN'T me.
Although I know at least one guy not at all interested in seeing it that ISN'T me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 07:07:34 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 07:07:34 AM
Anyone know how well presells have done, especially for imax? That would be a good indication on how it'll do the first couple weeks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 15, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 15, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
Well, got my mid-night tickets for tomorrow :)!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 15, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
Post by: Razz on Dec 15, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
Well looks like i won't be seeing this till the new year, the Imax near to me is booked solid for the next two weeks and i refuse to see it on anything less.Oh well non too bothered really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Dec 15, 2009, 07:02:54 AM
Great reviews do not always equal tickets sold.
The Dark Knight had amazing reviews, and sold very well. It's looks like the same is happen with Avatar IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 15, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 15, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
And New Moon had shit reviews and it sold very well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 09:14:26 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 09:14:26 PM
The $500 figure, I believe, will prove to just be media grandstanding. $350- that is, 250 million for production and 100 million for marketing- sounds a little more accurate. Still, studios like to see double the return domestically. So Cameron has to hit this out of the $700 million ballpark in one swing, or pull a Terminator Salvation and hope the domestic deficit is balanced out by the worldwide take...
Which is possible. Look at Titanic- $1.25 billion international gross. And from what I hear, the response in Asia to early screenings couldn't be more enthusiastic, even amongst the normally reserved Japanese. If this is anything like his last venture, Fox will be making blue cat people movies until it's coming out of our colons.
Which is possible. Look at Titanic- $1.25 billion international gross. And from what I hear, the response in Asia to early screenings couldn't be more enthusiastic, even amongst the normally reserved Japanese. If this is anything like his last venture, Fox will be making blue cat people movies until it's coming out of our colons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Has Cameron mentioned anything of a sequel?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 09:40:24 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 09:40:24 PM
He engineered this to be the next Star Wars, so yes, there will be sequels. Whether he makes Avatar 2 or Battle Angel Alita first is yet to be seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Dec 15, 2009, 09:43:18 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Dec 15, 2009, 09:43:18 PM
Science Fiction, Sigorney Weaver and James Cameron sure made a hell of a mix back in the day. I feel that this will be no exception.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
I just found something that answered my own question lol.
If this does well, I would love to see more scifi in the market.
Well I hope that Cameron puts some fire under Lucas' ass to set him straight. If the rumors of a new Star Wars movie are true (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16079&count=0), then we could potentially see the day where Avatar 2 goes up against a new Star Wars installment.
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It really makes sense to think of it as the potential start of a franchise or a saga that plays out over several acts, each movie being an act of that saga," he said. "And I have it mapped out, but I haven't written the scripts yet. And it all depends on whether we do well with the first film. But that was certainly the intention from the beginning - to create a foundation for a persistent world.
Read more: http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16099&count=33#ixzz0ZnRU7SPw
If this does well, I would love to see more scifi in the market.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 09:40:24 PM
He engineered this to be the next Star Wars, so yes, there will be sequels. Whether he makes Avatar 2 or Battle Angel Alita first is yet to be seen.
Well I hope that Cameron puts some fire under Lucas' ass to set him straight. If the rumors of a new Star Wars movie are true (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16079&count=0), then we could potentially see the day where Avatar 2 goes up against a new Star Wars installment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 15, 2009, 09:55:35 PM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 15, 2009, 09:55:35 PM
Lucas already flatly denied the rumors.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
Of course he would. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 15, 2009, 10:06:13 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 15, 2009, 10:06:13 PM
what about the TV series?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
Thats still on as far as I've heard. -shrug-
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 15, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 15, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
Of course he would. ;)
No he wouldn't, he didn't say "NC" he said the rumors were stupid especially considering he's up to his ass in four other projects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
It's not so stupid if he only produces.
But you're right, I'm not holding my breath. It was just fanboy daydreaming lol. I still have hopes that if the new show goes well that it will spark a new movie.
But you're right, I'm not holding my breath. It was just fanboy daydreaming lol. I still have hopes that if the new show goes well that it will spark a new movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 15, 2009, 10:25:53 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 15, 2009, 10:25:53 PM
Well they are adapting The Force Unleashed, right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:29:34 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:29:34 PM
I only remember hearing the game creators saying it was possible, but nothing from Lucas to confirm or deny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 15, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Dec 15, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
Then that would explain why it's been so quiet on that particular front.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:36:02 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 15, 2009, 10:36:02 PM
Looking back on the initial reports, most of what the creators said sounds more along the lines of "if it happens we have the technology to do it and it would fit in well with the movie canon" as opposed to "we are in talks to making it". I would guess it's hype for the game to help when the sequel comes around.
IMDB has nothing on it, and talk has shifted to the sequel. The most hopeful bit of news if that Lucas' Star Wars TV show is still listed as in production. :-\
IMDB has nothing on it, and talk has shifted to the sequel. The most hopeful bit of news if that Lucas' Star Wars TV show is still listed as in production. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 15, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
The TV series was announced so long ago I still have my suspicions if I'll see it in my lifetime. I don't know if I would watch it, either. The last Star Wars ongoing I enjoyed for more than the action was back when Genndy Tartakofsky did Star Wars: Clone Wars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 10:53:27 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 15, 2009, 10:53:27 PM
Lucas has been known to troll with people, Avatar will be a hit without a doubt and Lucas will likely do a Episode 7-10 if Avatar does well. JP was a big hit, and it was the visuals in that movie that made him go back into the series and make 1-3.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 15, 2009, 11:00:24 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 15, 2009, 11:00:24 PM
I want to see this movie so bad! I think I'll go next Tuesday, or so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 16, 2009, 03:05:03 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 16, 2009, 03:05:03 AM
Hey just got the game and i have to say not a bad game at all which it is very fun
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Blaz on Dec 16, 2009, 11:42:57 AM
Post by: Blaz on Dec 16, 2009, 11:42:57 AM
Wow, just got back from a screening of Avatar. Just wow. Incredible film. Just... wow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
I was on Pandora during 2h40, it's just amazing.
The only thing I hated was the credits which announced the end.
The only thing I hated was the credits which announced the end.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 16, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 16, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
I'm avoiding this thread until I see the movie. Goodbye!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 16, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 16, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Quote from: Blaz on Dec 16, 2009, 11:42:57 AM
Wow, just got back from a screening of Avatar. Just wow. Incredible film. Just... wow.
Sounds great, only two more days to go. My last post in this thread until I see the movie. I hate not viewing spoilers since it's so hard to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 16, 2009, 09:46:54 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 16, 2009, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
I was on Pandora during 2h40, it's just amazing.
The only thing I hated was the credits which announced the end.
The movie is 2hrs and 40mins long?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
Yes it is and trust me, you don't wanna it to end!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Dec 16, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
Post by: stephen on Dec 16, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
Avatar – A Spoiler Free Review.
So I was lucky enough to see an advanced screening of Jame's Camerons Avatar on Wednesday the 16th. I've been waiting for this film for years and I've been so hyped for it as it has gotten closer and closer.
In short – My expectations were extremely high and not only were they met, they were blown away.
This movie is unlike anything you have ever seen. The CGI is just mind blowingly awesome. James Cameron said that it would be a seamless viewing meaning that you would not be able to tell the difference between what was CGI and what wasn't – he was right.
James Cameron said it would be photo-realistic - he was right. James Cameron said the 3D would blow your mind – he was right.
For those of you that were not impressed by the CGI in the trailers – let me just say that the trailers are nothing compared to what you see in the film itself.
The story itself is engaging. Reminiscent of Dances with Wolves – only more exciting.
In my opinion, James Cameron has done what he said he could do. James Cameron has completely revolutionized the way we look at films.
Go and see this movie – in 3D as soon as you can.
So I was lucky enough to see an advanced screening of Jame's Camerons Avatar on Wednesday the 16th. I've been waiting for this film for years and I've been so hyped for it as it has gotten closer and closer.
In short – My expectations were extremely high and not only were they met, they were blown away.
This movie is unlike anything you have ever seen. The CGI is just mind blowingly awesome. James Cameron said that it would be a seamless viewing meaning that you would not be able to tell the difference between what was CGI and what wasn't – he was right.
James Cameron said it would be photo-realistic - he was right. James Cameron said the 3D would blow your mind – he was right.
For those of you that were not impressed by the CGI in the trailers – let me just say that the trailers are nothing compared to what you see in the film itself.
The story itself is engaging. Reminiscent of Dances with Wolves – only more exciting.
In my opinion, James Cameron has done what he said he could do. James Cameron has completely revolutionized the way we look at films.
Go and see this movie – in 3D as soon as you can.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 16, 2009, 10:36:12 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 16, 2009, 10:36:12 PM
Awesome review, only two more days to go for me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 16, 2009, 11:17:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 16, 2009, 11:17:45 PM
Well just got back form the midnight showing on imax 3-d..... to tired to right a full review.
It was good, not AMAZING story or character wise but visual wise it was Spectacular.......
8-10, Ill right full review when i wake up! btw final battle was epic!
One complaint id like to mention before going is the score for the movies SUCKED BALLS!
It was good, not AMAZING story or character wise but visual wise it was Spectacular.......
8-10, Ill right full review when i wake up! btw final battle was epic!
One complaint id like to mention before going is the score for the movies SUCKED BALLS!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: marky on Dec 17, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: marky on Dec 17, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Seeing it tomorrow at the first possible time to see it in Norway ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 17, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 17, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
Saw it tonight. Loved it. Don't care if anyone hates it. :)
...Why exactly did the score 'suck balls'?
...Why exactly did the score 'suck balls'?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 17, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 17, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
Going to see it next week or so, totally forgot about it and didn't book my tickets.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 17, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 17, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
Just over 13 hours.
:)
:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Frog on Dec 17, 2009, 05:11:09 PM
Post by: Frog on Dec 17, 2009, 05:11:09 PM
Can't wait to see the movie tomorrow, but not matter how well this does I hope he does Battle Angel Alita next. I've been waiting years for that!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 17, 2009, 05:34:09 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 17, 2009, 05:34:09 PM
Just one hour and a half until I get to see this ;D
EDIT: Turns out it starts 45 minutes later than expected, so I have exactly 44 minutes from now.
EDIT: Turns out it starts 45 minutes later than expected, so I have exactly 44 minutes from now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 17, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 17, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 17, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
Saw it tonight. Loved it. Don't care if anyone hates it. :)
...Why exactly did the score 'suck balls'?
Did not fit with the atmosphere half the time, the epic battle almost had dramatic disny music in the background.... it just! it sucked!
But i saw it today for a 2nd viewing... still think its great, a bit predictable but fun.... scratch that! VERY fun to watch! like i said, change the score and we would have a huge winner for me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Dec 17, 2009, 09:56:21 PM
Post by: Vanski on Dec 17, 2009, 09:56:21 PM
Going to see it tomorrow night. It's going to be my first time seeing any movie in 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 17, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 17, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Dec 17, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
the epic battle almost had dramatic disny music in the background.... it just! it sucked!
Awww, don't tell me that. So the score sounds nothing like the Aliens score? Too bad :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Dec 17, 2009, 11:35:22 PM
Post by: stephen on Dec 17, 2009, 11:35:22 PM
i actually heard hints of the aliens music in there actually.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 01:05:31 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 01:05:31 AM
The score is amazing don't listen to him.
Anyway just got back from seeing it..... What a f**king experience! It's so magical and fantastic! I've already booked another four times to see it over the coming week, next being tomorrow :)
My full review is here > www.allaboutfilm.tumblr.com
Anyway just got back from seeing it..... What a f**king experience! It's so magical and fantastic! I've already booked another four times to see it over the coming week, next being tomorrow :)
My full review is here > www.allaboutfilm.tumblr.com
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 01:09:56 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 01:09:56 AM
QuoteThe score is amazing don't listen to him.Yeah don't listen to him, he has an opinion, he's evil!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 01:29:33 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 01:29:33 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 01:05:31 AM
The score is amazing don't listen to him.
You might be right about that. I'm listening to the soundtrack now and so far it's freakin sweet, sure it might not be like Aliens but it's far from "Disney" :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 18, 2009, 04:19:55 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 18, 2009, 04:19:55 AM
Off to go stand in line at IMAX in Seattle!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 18, 2009, 04:37:54 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 18, 2009, 04:37:54 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 01:29:33 AMBesides which, I don't see why that's an insult. The scores to Dinosaur, The Lion King, Tarzan, Atlantis, and Mulan are all awesome.
sure it might not be like Aliens but it's far from "Disney" :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 18, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 18, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Your not getting my point guys... ehhh all im saying is i foudn the score to be not well fitted for the movie! Ok, the score itself may not be bad, but the way it was used and just ehhhh was very sadi.
There is one MAYBE...MAYBE two moments where there actually a identical sounding part to that of the theme of Aliens.
Just the score did not fit for me at all.
For example -
There is one MAYBE...MAYBE two moments where there actually a identical sounding part to that of the theme of Aliens.
Just the score did not fit for me at all.
For example -
Spoiler
When the huge rhino type things charge the soldiers in the end battle when the chick is about to begin shooting with her bow. Right there the music was like wtf!
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Title: Avatar 3-d
Post by: Technine on Dec 18, 2009, 06:55:42 AM
Post by: Technine on Dec 18, 2009, 06:55:42 AM
i saw avatar 3d a couple of days ago
Excellent movie with brilliant special effects
If you have seen it as well did it live up to your expectations?
and did you like it?
Excellent movie with brilliant special effects
If you have seen it as well did it live up to your expectations?
and did you like it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
I saw it last night. What a movie. It's absolutely amazing. It's emotionally moving and it's beautiful to look at, the direction is excellent and the story is strong. I loved every moment of it and I certainly didn't want it to end.
The characters are believeable and the special effects are brilliant. The acting is spectacular and the emotion on the Na'vi's faces is clearly there and unlike anything I have seen before.
By the end of the movie everyone stood up and applauded. That hasn't happened in any movie I have ever seen.
I rated District 9 higher than the Alien-Predator movies but does Avatar beat District 9? Yes. It does.
District 9 was grounded in realism and made us humans look terrible, Avatar does this too. It is realistic, sure it's based on another planet but it's realistic. You can actually believe that these species exist.
There's nothing I didn't like about this movie and I want to go and see it again.
A must see.
10/10
:)
The characters are believeable and the special effects are brilliant. The acting is spectacular and the emotion on the Na'vi's faces is clearly there and unlike anything I have seen before.
By the end of the movie everyone stood up and applauded. That hasn't happened in any movie I have ever seen.
I rated District 9 higher than the Alien-Predator movies but does Avatar beat District 9? Yes. It does.
District 9 was grounded in realism and made us humans look terrible, Avatar does this too. It is realistic, sure it's based on another planet but it's realistic. You can actually believe that these species exist.
There's nothing I didn't like about this movie and I want to go and see it again.
A must see.
10/10
:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Big Head Ninja on Dec 18, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
Post by: Big Head Ninja on Dec 18, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
Saw it yesterday in IMAX 3D, did not disappoint. I was immersed basically the whole way through, some times I'd even stop caring that I was watching a movie or looking at CGI, I just went with it and got absorbed into the world. Very entertaining, I recommend it to anyone, My only gripes are that the dialog could have been better and it felt like there was alot of cut footage, but those were minor issues. James Cameron is back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 18, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 18, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
Just got back from Avatar.
I am NOT a fantasy fan by any means, but wow this movie held my attention from the beginning to closing credits. It is excellently paced.
Let's get to the big selling point first, the stereoscopic 3D. Yes, it works well, and yes, I will happily admit that I want to see this in some of the bigger action movies / sci-fi movies we're going to see in the coming years, it was very effective at immersing me inside the movie's universe, and when used correctly, as Cameron did, is able to conjure up a greater tension in action scenes, as well as beautiful wonder in these fantasy scenes. I cannot recall how many times I moved or ducked my head during the final battle, that is what I want from this new system, and that's what Cameron said he was going to deliver.
As for the CG, the performance capture works well, once inside the context of the film, you do literally forget that the Na'Vi are CG. Performances feel like they have weight, and emotion has no problem being translated. Worthington's accent wasn't as slippery as it was in Terminator Salvation, I thought he was great in the role, and yeah, Stephen Lang was sheer badass.
Cameron is still the benchmark director when it comes to directing an action scene. There is NO ONE better.
For the bad, yes, like most reviews say, it is very predictable, but if you couldn't tell where the major plot points were going to occur let alone what they were, you should check your IQ. Did I think it hurt the movie? Not really, because you're enthralled during every second as it is.
I give it an 8.5/10.
Better than Terminator? no
Better than Terminator 2? no
Better than Aliens? no
Better than True Lies? take your pick
Better than The Abyss? again take your pick
Don't want a sequel.
I am NOT a fantasy fan by any means, but wow this movie held my attention from the beginning to closing credits. It is excellently paced.
Let's get to the big selling point first, the stereoscopic 3D. Yes, it works well, and yes, I will happily admit that I want to see this in some of the bigger action movies / sci-fi movies we're going to see in the coming years, it was very effective at immersing me inside the movie's universe, and when used correctly, as Cameron did, is able to conjure up a greater tension in action scenes, as well as beautiful wonder in these fantasy scenes. I cannot recall how many times I moved or ducked my head during the final battle, that is what I want from this new system, and that's what Cameron said he was going to deliver.
As for the CG, the performance capture works well, once inside the context of the film, you do literally forget that the Na'Vi are CG. Performances feel like they have weight, and emotion has no problem being translated. Worthington's accent wasn't as slippery as it was in Terminator Salvation, I thought he was great in the role, and yeah, Stephen Lang was sheer badass.
Cameron is still the benchmark director when it comes to directing an action scene. There is NO ONE better.
For the bad, yes, like most reviews say, it is very predictable, but if you couldn't tell where the major plot points were going to occur let alone what they were, you should check your IQ. Did I think it hurt the movie? Not really, because you're enthralled during every second as it is.
I give it an 8.5/10.
Better than Terminator? no
Better than Terminator 2? no
Better than Aliens? no
Better than True Lies? take your pick
Better than The Abyss? again take your pick
Don't want a sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 18, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 18, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
I was blown away. The visuals hold up, they looked photo real for 90% of the movie in the 3D form. The stereoscopic made me gasp when it first kicks in, the whole IMAX theater did the same.
That is all I am going to say now, because I am really, really tired.
That is all I am going to say now, because I am really, really tired.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 18, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 18, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
http://www.cracked.com/funny-2151-avatar/
i lol'd
i lol'd
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimo on Dec 18, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
Post by: Kimo on Dec 18, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
going to see the midnight show tonight in IMAX cant wait. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: visagepoissons on Dec 18, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
Post by: visagepoissons on Dec 18, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
Two days in a row it's been booked out. >.> Really have to try to book a bit earlier...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 18, 2009, 05:33:02 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 18, 2009, 05:33:02 PM
I'm going to see it in a few hours from now ;D!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Just got back from my second viewing, still wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
Quotestill wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi.Your life must be very, very sad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:30:57 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:20:00 PMQuotestill wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi.Your life must be very, very sad.
This whole world is sad compared to Pandora.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:49:47 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:30:57 PMThe world is what we make of it, everybody keeps complaining, yet no ones willing to change a damn thing.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 18, 2009, 06:20:00 PMQuotestill wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi.Your life must be very, very sad.
This whole world is sad compared to Pandora.
Stop whining.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Just got back from my second viewing, still wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi. :(
I understand what your saying, but the moment you get laid and have a girlfiend you'll forget about all that silliness you just said. TRUST ME.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 18, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 18, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
Yahoo movies said that it made over 3 million just from the midnite showing
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 18, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 18, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
I'm going to see this at 8:00 PM today, and I hope the movie is worth the wait. I read all the spoiler free reviews and they all said it's one of the best movies in ages. I can't wait ;D!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 18, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
Yahoo movies said that it made over 3 million just from the midnite showing
It'll be getting even more money from me soon ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Dec 18, 2009, 09:01:43 PM
Post by: Vanski on Dec 18, 2009, 09:01:43 PM
Allright, just came back from seeing it. As i mentioned before, this movie was my first 3D experience in movies, and i can honestly tell: i could've done better without it. At first it looks weird and dark, but then you get used to it. When you get used to it, well, for me i didn't even payed attention to the whole 3d thingie that much. I'll rather stick with the regular 2D.
About the movie, it looks great! Im surprised, if this movie isn't going to win oscar for visuals. The plot is standard and predictable with all the cliches. I don't mind about using old formula, but i think this is where the movie missed a lot of it's emotional impact i think it would've needed. It doesn't have the heart, but atleast it tries. 3.5/5
Btw. why so many people hate the musical score? I tought it was superb, sure, i heard parts from "Aliens" and "Wrath of Khan", but atleast it's actual music, rather than background noise we hear in movies all the time these days.
About the movie, it looks great! Im surprised, if this movie isn't going to win oscar for visuals. The plot is standard and predictable with all the cliches. I don't mind about using old formula, but i think this is where the movie missed a lot of it's emotional impact i think it would've needed. It doesn't have the heart, but atleast it tries. 3.5/5
Btw. why so many people hate the musical score? I tought it was superb, sure, i heard parts from "Aliens" and "Wrath of Khan", but atleast it's actual music, rather than background noise we hear in movies all the time these days.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 18, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 18, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
Saw it in digital 3D. I liked it. The direction was intelligent and the visuals superb. I felt like I was in a real rainforest more than once, and caught myself forgetting Pandora isn't a place we've already been to. The story has a "been there, done that" feel to it, and the human characters get so one-dimensional at times I rolled my eyes at how standard their behavior was. But all of the acting is top-notch and made up for that; by the third act, I admit my emotions were "linked in." People saying the music sucked have come down with the madness. It has a designer leitmotif, a chorus in a foreign language, and some sappy love/war story flourishes...like many other movies no one complained about.
I initially agreed with Armond White's Avatar review, on the point of Cameron's perceived hypocrisy:
But after mentally reviewing the film, I argue White has his analogies mixed up. His complaint only works if you think Cameron as a filmmaker stands in Selfridge's shoes. He doesn't; Cameron's "Avatar" is Grace. She argues with the "corporate goons," who are too simple-minded know what it's like to immerse yourself in another world. She only uses their tools to further her own personal ventures, and has no concern for the material wealth the corporation desires a part of as a result of her discoveries with their backing. Greed's a consequence, yet not one that offsets or invalidates the breakthrough made. How many times have ulterior motives led to social benefits, in spite of the road traversed, just in the field of science? Cameron's not just raging against the machine, he's urging filmmakers and audience members alike to open their eyes- like Jake- to new territory, irregardless of the real world birth pangs that brought us to this point. I don't think that's naive, hypocritical, or stupid. Just optimistic.
Anyways, that's what I thought. If I had to rate it, a 4 out of 5.
I initially agreed with Armond White's Avatar review, on the point of Cameron's perceived hypocrisy:
Quote from: Armond White, "Blue In The Face" p. 3Cameron's superficial B-movie tropes pretend philosophical significance. His story's rampant imperialism and manifest destiny (Giovanni Ribisi plays the heartless industrialist) recalls Vietnam-era revisionist westerns like Soldier Blue, but it's essentially a sentimental cartoon with a pacifist, naturalist message. Avatar condemns mankind's plundering and ruin of a metaphorical planet's ecology and the aboriginals' way of life. Cameron fashionably denounces the same economic and military system that make his technological extravaganza possible. It's like condemning NASA—yet joyriding on the Mars Exploration Rover.
But after mentally reviewing the film, I argue White has his analogies mixed up. His complaint only works if you think Cameron as a filmmaker stands in Selfridge's shoes. He doesn't; Cameron's "Avatar" is Grace. She argues with the "corporate goons," who are too simple-minded know what it's like to immerse yourself in another world. She only uses their tools to further her own personal ventures, and has no concern for the material wealth the corporation desires a part of as a result of her discoveries with their backing. Greed's a consequence, yet not one that offsets or invalidates the breakthrough made. How many times have ulterior motives led to social benefits, in spite of the road traversed, just in the field of science? Cameron's not just raging against the machine, he's urging filmmakers and audience members alike to open their eyes- like Jake- to new territory, irregardless of the real world birth pangs that brought us to this point. I don't think that's naive, hypocritical, or stupid. Just optimistic.
Anyways, that's what I thought. If I had to rate it, a 4 out of 5.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 09:52:49 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 09:52:49 PM
Spill.com's Avatar review, there's a scene from the movie in there too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78q19GuWpMw&feature=sub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78q19GuWpMw&feature=sub
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 18, 2009, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 18, 2009, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 18, 2009, 09:52:49 PMLove the Spill!
Spill.com's Avatar review, there's a scene from the movie in there too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78q19GuWpMw&feature=sub
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 11:12:44 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 11:12:44 PM
Just saw Avatar in IMAX 3D. This movie was a dream come true, go see it.
It's more than just a movie.
10/10 easy 8)
EDITED : Oh and btw, if you don't go see Avatar now....James Cameron will do this to you, so...don't mess with the bull son ;)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff120%2Facidblood666%2Fjim_smash.gif&hash=0ae9d7ce8fdc3ad3cb026ce21c6f54ab3a5a6183)
It's more than just a movie.
10/10 easy 8)
EDITED : Oh and btw, if you don't go see Avatar now....James Cameron will do this to you, so...don't mess with the bull son ;)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff120%2Facidblood666%2Fjim_smash.gif&hash=0ae9d7ce8fdc3ad3cb026ce21c6f54ab3a5a6183)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 18, 2009, 11:51:55 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 18, 2009, 11:51:55 PM
Watch out, someone might come around and try to hurt our feelings by saying this movie is unoriginal, and that we're stupid for liking it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 12:34:48 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 18, 2009, 07:14:51 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Dec 18, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Just got back from my second viewing, still wish I lived on Pandora as a Na'vi. :(
I understand what your saying, but the moment you get laid and have a girlfiend you'll forget about all that silliness you just said. TRUST ME.
This isn't the "Who is your favorite hot woman" thread.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 19, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 19, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
The expectations are about as realistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 19, 2009, 12:45:16 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 19, 2009, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Dec 18, 2009, 11:51:55 PM
Watch out, someone might come around and try to hurt our feelings by saying this movie is unoriginal, and that we're stupid for liking it.
Heck, they've been saying that before they even saw the f--king movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Dec 19, 2009, 04:07:14 AM
Post by: Aeus on Dec 19, 2009, 04:07:14 AM
Okay, so I just saw the film in 3D.
I went in as someone who thought the CGI was going to be overrated and the story was going to be nothing new. I came out as someone who had spent a few hours in the rainforest of Pandora. This film is literally crazy with its immersion. Sure the characters and plot were largely predictable, but I didn't care. I felt like I was on another planet and I wanted to learn everything about it...Oh, and the ROBOT KNIFE FIGHT.
Can't wait to see this sucker in IMAX.
Also, dunno why people had problems with the music, I thought it was pretty good.
I went in as someone who thought the CGI was going to be overrated and the story was going to be nothing new. I came out as someone who had spent a few hours in the rainforest of Pandora. This film is literally crazy with its immersion. Sure the characters and plot were largely predictable, but I didn't care. I felt like I was on another planet and I wanted to learn everything about it...Oh, and the ROBOT KNIFE FIGHT.
Can't wait to see this sucker in IMAX.
Also, dunno why people had problems with the music, I thought it was pretty good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AM
Does the Thanator still roars like a T-Rex in the final movie?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 04:51:10 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 04:51:10 AM
I just came back from seeing this, and boy this movie was incredible. I was pretty much blew away from this movie, I love every moment of this movie. The CGI was pretty much flawless, I saw no real flaws in the visual. Everything in this movie feels so life like, and I feel like I was part of the story. The story was simple, but hey most stories are simple really. It's not like Star Wars, or Lord of the Rings had the most in depth story lines. The characters in the movie where well done, and I love how you feel for the aliens in the movie. While D9 did a better job, Avatar did it just as good. I saw it in 3-D too in IMAX, it was like The Matrix of 1999 all over again. Avatar is one of the best films of the year. The most exciting, thrilling, and superb work you'll feast your eyes on in any theater in the past 12 years.
I give it somewhere between 93% and 95% in my opinion. It's worth checking out for sure!
I give it somewhere between 93% and 95% in my opinion. It's worth checking out for sure!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 19, 2009, 05:09:09 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Dec 19, 2009, 05:09:09 AM
Powerloader Vs Navi was f--kin boss 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:17:39 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:17:39 AM
Everything in this video sums of the movie nicely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Dec 19, 2009, 05:47:43 AM
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Dec 19, 2009, 05:47:43 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Dec 17, 2009, 07:01:00 PMQuote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 17, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
Saw it tonight. Loved it. Don't care if anyone hates it. :)
...Why exactly did the score 'suck balls'?
Did not fit with the atmosphere half the time, the epic battle almost had dramatic disny music in the background.... it just! it sucked!
But i saw it today for a 2nd viewing... still think its great, a bit predictable but fun.... scratch that! VERY fun to watch! like i said, change the score and we would have a huge winner for me!
I didn't like it either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:51:05 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:51:05 AM
Some of the stuff was a bit predictable, but I still love the movie neverless. I would not mind seeing it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimo on Dec 19, 2009, 07:33:41 AM
Post by: Kimo on Dec 19, 2009, 07:33:41 AM
I am f**king gutted i traveled over 150 miles to see this in 3D IMAX in manchester and when we got there we were told the IMAX screen was broke. :( Anyhow the said to us all, that we could still watch the film in 3D but it will be on a normal sized cinema screen, and the also said the would give us all a free pass to watch it another day :) so we still watched it and have to say the 3D was awsome on a normal screen. And i have a free pass to watch it another time in IMAX so it never turned out too bad.
Overall the movie was great i will have to give my review after i have had some sleep because i am tierd.
Cheers Mr Cameron :)
Overall the movie was great i will have to give my review after i have had some sleep because i am tierd.
Cheers Mr Cameron :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Dec 19, 2009, 07:49:24 AM
Post by: Vanski on Dec 19, 2009, 07:49:24 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AMIt does. I remember sitting in the theater and saying to myself:"Hey, that sounded like a T-Rex!"
Does the Thanator still roars like a T-Rex in the final movie?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 08:04:06 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 08:04:06 AM
Lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Frog on Dec 19, 2009, 08:30:02 AM
Post by: Frog on Dec 19, 2009, 08:30:02 AM
It was amazing! In 3D on an IMAX screen it is much more beautiful and epic than it looks in trailers. It really does look like a Cameron(Abyss, Aliens, Terminator) movie and not cartoony like you might expect.
:)
My fave character by far was the bloodthirsty general!
:)
My fave character by far was the bloodthirsty general!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 19, 2009, 09:20:51 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 19, 2009, 09:20:51 AM
I think James must own the rights to the Dinosaurs noises in Jurassic Park...
The horses sounded like Raptors, and the Thanator sounded like the Rex... The whole movie.
And that is one of my few minor complaints.
The horses sounded like Raptors, and the Thanator sounded like the Rex... The whole movie.
And that is one of my few minor complaints.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 19, 2009, 09:22:24 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 19, 2009, 09:22:24 AM
Quote from: Vanski on Dec 19, 2009, 07:49:24 AMI thought exactly the same thing :DQuote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AMIt does. I remember sitting in the theater and saying to myself:"Hey, that sounded like a T-Rex!"
Does the Thanator still roars like a T-Rex in the final movie?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 19, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Post by: Razz on Dec 19, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Just managed to book an Imax screen for the 28th so everything is just gravy, i honestly didn't expect to see it till the new year but its good to be surprised at times. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 12:01:38 PM
Technically speaking, it is a straight A. But story wise this isn't all that great. It's rather shallow (like all Camerons films to date, it's full of 2d characters with little character development. It's like a comic book: well told, clear characters, nothing fancy) and ever so slightly crosses the line of good taste here and there...
I liked it, but the story itself was a bit underwhelming.
7.5 IMO. A simple story told very well.
I liked it, but the story itself was a bit underwhelming.
7.5 IMO. A simple story told very well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
What did you think was in poor taste?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Dec 19, 2009, 12:31:52 PM
Post by: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Dec 19, 2009, 12:31:52 PM
F00king incredible piece of work, a generational leap ahead in terms of immersive cinema.
10/10
5/5
17/... 5
Damn straight.
10/10
5/5
17/... 5
Damn straight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 12:56:10 PM
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
What did you think was in poor taste?
The overly blatant chanting, for example. Sure, it can be a bit of culture, but it just looked a bit... Icky. It makes them more primitive, while the Navi are just more at peace with their enviroment. It just wasn't necessary.
Another example would be the grotesque ending, when mother nature decides to chip in. Oh what a tearjerker: why the f**k stretch it to that point, why not having a bigger force to begin with, so the numbers of the Navi are strengthened from the first wave on.
It's not enough to ruin the film for me, but it does make it all the more tacky.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
I'm still not sure how those things constitute poor taste. They're just things where your opinion differs from Cameron's.
To have a bigger force to begin with would reduce the danger, obviously. The 'good guys' gotta be the underdogs. :)
...Out of curiosity, how was the chanting 'blatant'?
To have a bigger force to begin with would reduce the danger, obviously. The 'good guys' gotta be the underdogs. :)
...Out of curiosity, how was the chanting 'blatant'?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Dec 19, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
Post by: Aeus on Dec 19, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AM
Does the Thanator still roars like a T-Rex in the final movie?
Yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: visagepoissons on Dec 19, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Post by: visagepoissons on Dec 19, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Just got back from seeing Avatar. It was a really fun movie. The plot was hilariously predictable, but I expected that from the start and it didn't really detract from the movie for me. The visuals were gorgeous, I really liked it.
I laughed at the little references to his past films too. Really fun movie.
I laughed at the little references to his past films too. Really fun movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
I'm still not sure how those things constitute poor taste. They're just things where your opinion differs from Cameron's.
Yeah, that stuff seems to happen around the concept of taste...
QuoteTo have a bigger force to begin with would reduce the danger, obviously. The 'good guys' gotta be the underdogs. :)
...Out of curiosity, how was the chanting 'blatant'?
They were the underdogs, but it'd saved the movie around fifteen minutes that weren't that great too...
Blatant as in: let's rub it in that the Navi are a tribal society with primitive rituals.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 03:33:19 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 03:11:47 PMI see your point. I misunderstood you because 'in poor taste' usually denotes something that is actually offensive, not just unliked.
Yeah, that stuff seems to happen around the concept of taste...
QuoteThey were the underdogs, but it'd saved the movie around fifteen minutes that weren't that great too...Or just have the Na'vi be so numerous and dangerous that the humans never dare approach their land! Save a whole bunch of running time.
QuoteBlatant as in: let's rub it in that the Navi are a tribal society with primitive rituals.How is it rubbing it in? The Na'vi are tribal. They are primitive. They do have rituals. But it's not as though any of those things are subdued elsewhere in the film.
Not to mention that we are also tribal, we chant, and we have primitive rituals. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
Saw it last night at IMAX 3D - Truly was an epic movie experience, but didn't top some of Cameron's other classics for me.
The effects have definitely raised the bar coupled with being in 3D, it's in a league of it's own for visual effects, even though that was one of the main things in question leading up to the film's release.
It's not a new story but it felt fresh and was more emotional than I ever would have imagined. I saw lots of eye wiping in the IMAX theater. I was definitely choked up, myself, numerous times. It's a beautiful movie from the relationship that evolves to just the connection to their natural world and how it effects them and what it means to them (Na'vi). Despite feeling like I knew ultimately how the overall plot would pan out, there were numerous times I wondered how exactly they were going get out of this...
There's wasn't excessive action scene explosions, but at the same time it's action was intense and relentless at times. In fact, most of the explosions took a more emotional toll than any kind of "DATS SUPAR BADACE RITE DER!!1!" At times watching some of the explosions made your cringe. ...Although Quaritch was a super badass, lol.
The main thing that kept it from topping Cameron's other classics, for me, was it didn't have that cold dark tone that I love so much in Terminator and Aliens. That's not to say this movie wasn't full of atmosphere in it's own (more effective) way, and in many places, more immersive than anything I've experienced. I think as a whole, Avatar is probably his best film - as I'm sure nostalgia plays a huge part in not being able to admit Avatar as dethroning Aliens or Terminator, as far as Cameron films go. I also found little to be similar to Aliens aside from a few strong female characters and corporate types. Or in other words, it didn't feel like a rehash of Aliens as some thought it would or hoped.
This movie was epic. It had few flaws that are easily subdued by everything that works so well in this movie. The score was fine, but I can see people not being happy with it, and I agree to a certain extent. Again, it's not like Terminator or Aliens' deep industrial theme - something a lot of us expected and love. But.. this is a new movie and I think he did a great job not re-traveling over covered ground from his previous movies, despite a few similarities.. but it is the same filmmaker after all.
The effects have definitely raised the bar coupled with being in 3D, it's in a league of it's own for visual effects, even though that was one of the main things in question leading up to the film's release.
It's not a new story but it felt fresh and was more emotional than I ever would have imagined. I saw lots of eye wiping in the IMAX theater. I was definitely choked up, myself, numerous times. It's a beautiful movie from the relationship that evolves to just the connection to their natural world and how it effects them and what it means to them (Na'vi). Despite feeling like I knew ultimately how the overall plot would pan out, there were numerous times I wondered how exactly they were going get out of this...
There's wasn't excessive action scene explosions, but at the same time it's action was intense and relentless at times. In fact, most of the explosions took a more emotional toll than any kind of "DATS SUPAR BADACE RITE DER!!1!" At times watching some of the explosions made your cringe. ...Although Quaritch was a super badass, lol.
The main thing that kept it from topping Cameron's other classics, for me, was it didn't have that cold dark tone that I love so much in Terminator and Aliens. That's not to say this movie wasn't full of atmosphere in it's own (more effective) way, and in many places, more immersive than anything I've experienced. I think as a whole, Avatar is probably his best film - as I'm sure nostalgia plays a huge part in not being able to admit Avatar as dethroning Aliens or Terminator, as far as Cameron films go. I also found little to be similar to Aliens aside from a few strong female characters and corporate types. Or in other words, it didn't feel like a rehash of Aliens as some thought it would or hoped.
This movie was epic. It had few flaws that are easily subdued by everything that works so well in this movie. The score was fine, but I can see people not being happy with it, and I agree to a certain extent. Again, it's not like Terminator or Aliens' deep industrial theme - something a lot of us expected and love. But.. this is a new movie and I think he did a great job not re-traveling over covered ground from his previous movies, despite a few similarities.. but it is the same filmmaker after all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:41:11 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 19, 2009, 01:51:22 PMThey spend 4 years making this movie and couldn't come up with a new sound for the Thanator?Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 04:31:46 AM
Does the Thanator still roars like a T-Rex in the final movie?
Yeah, pretty much.
Lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 04:47:05 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 04:47:05 PM
I didn't even notice because it didn't stand out in any awkward way, therefore I didn't experience this lame-ness. I suppose it could have been different, but either way it's probably a fixation I wouldn't have been stuck on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 05:01:03 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 05:01:03 PM
QuoteI didn't even notice because it didn't stand out in any awkward wayI noticed it right away in the clip i saw.
The T-Rex roar is so recognizable, it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
Everytime i hear it it just screams T-Rex to me, doesn't fit the Thanator.
I think it's just lame that they made a whole new world (which looks like Hawaii to me), yet they copied and pasted the T-Rex roar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:11:12 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:11:12 PM
I would say T2 and Aliens are bit better, but their just as good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 05:16:11 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 19, 2009, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 05:01:03 PMQuoteI didn't even notice because it didn't stand out in any awkward wayI noticed it right away in the clip i saw.
The T-Rex roar is so recognizable, it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
Everytime i hear it it just screams T-Rex to me, doesn't fit the Thanator.
I think it's just lame that they made a whole new world (which looks like Hawaii to me), yet they copied and pasted the T-Rex roar.
That's how I feel. Oh well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78q19GuWpMw&feature=sub
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shadow_Riddick on Dec 19, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Post by: Shadow_Riddick on Dec 19, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
You should go see this movie
It's THE BEST movie i have ever seen!!!
;D ;D ;D
It's THE BEST movie i have ever seen!!!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
He was right about the movie being photo-realistic since I was not able to tell if most of the movie was CGI or not. JP looks fake to me now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
so far this movie has made $30 million--$3 million from midnite showing on Thursday and $27 million on Friday
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:04:52 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:04:52 PM
I hope it makes $100 or higher by the end of the week.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:11:24 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:11:24 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 07:45:05 PMNot that spectacular for a 230mil+ movie. Especially since the ticket prices for IMAX 3D theaters are pretty high.
so far this movie has made $30 million--$3 million from midnite showing on Thursday and $27 million on Friday
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 08:18:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:11:24 PMQuote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 07:45:05 PMNot that spectacular for a 230mil+ movie.
so far this movie has made $30 million--$3 million from midnite showing on Thursday and $27 million on Friday
Actually it is:
"James Cameron's Avatar grossed $27 million in its opening day in a variety of formats including IMAX 3D. While normally, that would put it in range to set a new December record over Will Smith's 2007 thriller I Am Legend, which opened with $77.2 million, snowstorms hitting the Eastern seaboard over the weekend might keep some moviegoers at home, putting it somewhere under $75 million. Check back tomorrow for the estimated weekend gross once Saturday numbers are reported."
Good opening numbers, but may not beat records due to the large snow storm going on right now on the east coast.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 19, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 19, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
oh global warming, where are you? ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:30:27 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:30:27 PM
I think more people are going to see it next week, and with the Golden Globes coming out. I think more people are going to see it more now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
QuoteGood opening numbers, but may not beat records due to the large snow storm going on right now on the east coast.Who's talking abour records anyway?
A movie with that ammount of hype and James Cameron behind it you would expect a bigger opening day, and it certainly isnt what FOX was hoping for.
Besides, I am Legend didnt cost 230 mil to make ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
Their is a huge ass snow storm where I live, and most people are likely are not going to the movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 09:08:55 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
Who's talking abour records anyway?
Huh? The quote was.
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A movie with that ammount of hype and James Cameron behind it you would expect a bigger opening day, and it certainly isnt what FOX was hoping for.
Actually, Fox has predicted around $50 million weekend box office. It also is running on a half to a third of the screens a typical blockbuster does due to the preferred 3D release, also IMAX can only have a limited number of showings due to length and screens available. IMAX is the main attraction and I saw numerous people turned away when I was in line from sell outs which they were told was sold out until Sunday night (Went on Friday evening). Most people are having to wait to see it and it could be IMAX's main attraction for months with slow but very steady sales for months.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:13:21 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:13:21 PM
I say 80million for this weekend which if it wasnt for the snow storm in the east and sell outs i think it would be over a 100miilion but i think this movie will have a long life at number one for the next few weekends or even months
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
QuoteActually, Fox has predicted around $50 million weekend box office.Source?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:50:04 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PMQuoteActually, Fox has predicted around $50 million weekend box office.Source?
Dont know were they got that info but its made already $30 million and thats not including saturday and sunday totals so it will bast $50 million
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:50:04 PMThat's the thing, i don't think Fox's expectations would ever be that low.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PMQuoteActually, Fox has predicted around $50 million weekend box office.Source?
Dont know were they got that info but its made already $30 million and thats not including saturday and sunday totals so it will bast $50 million
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
Yes I agree its Fox remeber ther greedy which it wouldnt put it past them that they expect it to make 130 million instead
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 19, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
I say the movie will be #1 for a few weeks, if the oscar buzz comes then the movie will be lucky to be #1 another week or two afterwards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 10:10:07 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:54:05 PMQuote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 09:50:04 PMThat's the thing, i don't think Fox's expectations would ever be that low.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PMQuoteActually, Fox has predicted around $50 million weekend box office.Source?
Dont know were they got that info but its made already $30 million and thats not including saturday and sunday totals so it will bast $50 million
"Add to that, the film is long. Its run time is two hours and 40 minutes, limiting the number of presentations exhibitors can show in a given day.
No wonder Fox officials are playing this one conservatively, predicting an a three-day debut total in the upper $50 million range. They say the film's production budget was $237 million."
http://www.thewrap.com/article/avatar-box-office-number-11953
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
Upper 50 mil range, means 50 mil at least, not at most.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 19, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
It will pass $50 million with out a dout since its at $30 million already after friday nite
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 10:45:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 19, 2009, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
Upper 50 mil range, means 50 mil at least, not at most.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 19, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
...and it certainly isnt what FOX was hoping for.
I never said at most, I said "around $50 million". The point is, it is in-line with "what Fox was hoping for".
I'm not sure why people fixate so much on revenue anyways. Nothing about money makes the movie any better or worse. It can jeopardize potential sequels, but I'm not worried about Fox's finances and I think the movie is just fine if it never got a sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 19, 2009, 11:18:34 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 19, 2009, 11:18:34 PM
Saw it a second time today, in regular 3D.
Cannot decide which I like better, 3D or IMAX 3D. Audio quality is surely better in IMAX, but I felt that the regular 3D was more comfortable to watch.
Cannot decide which I like better, 3D or IMAX 3D. Audio quality is surely better in IMAX, but I felt that the regular 3D was more comfortable to watch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 04:00:46 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 04:00:46 AM
Saw it. Pretty good, pretty good. Took me a while to get into it though.
Oh yeah, and Cameron used the JP velociraptor call as well.
Spoiler
Really could have done without the blue kitty sex though...
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Oh yeah, and Cameron used the JP velociraptor call as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2009, 04:06:49 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 20, 2009, 04:06:49 AM
Use the Spoiler function please.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 20, 2009, 04:51:32 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 20, 2009, 04:51:32 AM
I didn't get that scene at all.
Spoiler
She mounts him, then there's no movement, and it ends with her claiming they're now mated. Wait, what? Did I miss a detail, like maybe their queues linked or something? 'Cause I'm pretty sure you don't make babies just by hugging...
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 20, 2009, 04:52:31 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 20, 2009, 04:52:31 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 04:00:46 AM
Saw it. Pretty good, pretty good. Took me a while to get into it though.Spoiler
Really could have done without the blue kitty sex though...[close]
Spoiler
But there wasn't any? Just kissing.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 05:05:06 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 05:05:06 AM
Spoiler
I thought it may have been offscreen.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 05:08:39 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 05:08:39 AM
Spoiler
It cut away. Still happened though, and stated as well.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: frostedone on Dec 20, 2009, 05:30:25 AM
Post by: frostedone on Dec 20, 2009, 05:30:25 AM
The movie was AWESOME!
Easily one of the years best films.
The whole movie kind of reminded me of what we (the Americans) did to the Native Americans. Kind of sad.
Easily one of the years best films.
The whole movie kind of reminded me of what we (the Americans) did to the Native Americans. Kind of sad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 06:05:40 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 06:05:40 AM
It was fun being in an audience that was silent except for the many applause moments.
Yes, there were many applause moments. The last time that happened in a movie I saw was in the third Lord of the Rings movie.
Yes, there were many applause moments. The last time that happened in a movie I saw was in the third Lord of the Rings movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 20, 2009, 02:23:45 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 20, 2009, 02:23:45 PM
Spoiler
I thought they linked their ponytail things together to mate, I guess I wasn't watching properly. :P
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 03:37:43 PM
I still think it was a mindblowing movie. And not just the effects, although they were the best effects I've seen yet. I also liked the story and characters. They felt familiar, but they were developed and had arcs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Demon on Dec 20, 2009, 04:26:25 PM
Post by: The Demon on Dec 20, 2009, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 06:05:40 AM
It was fun being in an audience that was silent except for the many applause moments.
Yes, there were many applause moments. The last time that happened in a movie I saw was in the third Lord of the Rings movie.
I last saw it happen in The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: dallevalle on Dec 20, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
Post by: dallevalle on Dec 20, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
i just saw avatar last night and i have to say HOLY SHIT THE MASTER SURE IS BACK ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES I HAVE EVERN SEEN IN MY WHOLE LIFE !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Are the box office results in yet?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
Just saw it. Very epic film, that much is for sure. What I did like was that Jimmy took his time to establish details behind Pandora. The world felt very real, so did the Navii. The effects where amazing, looked so real. I had no clue what was or wasn't real. Could see where he put the money.
Loved the asthetics, definitely a more advanced Aliens style - *cough* big dropship *cough*. Shame the story was somewhat predictable though. :-\
Loved the asthetics, definitely a more advanced Aliens style - *cough* big dropship *cough*. Shame the story was somewhat predictable though. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:13:13 PM
It was entirely predictable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 06:19:11 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 06:19:11 PM
Yeah I argee that the movie was pretty predictable, then most great movies where. I still love it though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Dec 20, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
Post by: Aeus on Dec 20, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:13:13 PM
It was entirely predictable.
Yeah, but for me personally, the immersive feel of the film made up for it. I was surprised about how interesting I found the planet and the Navi, especially considering that when I saw the trailer for the first time I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:24:39 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:24:39 PM
I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I realize I'm not having the same reaction as everyone else. The novelty of the effects has worn off, and I'm realizing that without them, what else is there that is good? The story was predictable and the characters one-dimensional. I even thought the ecology, while pretty, was not believable. The ending was deus ex machina at its finest.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 06:49:08 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 06:49:08 PM
I wounder why Star Trek 09 has better then reviews then Avatar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Because it was better?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
I found Avatar to be better then Star Trek in my opinon seeing I thought the build up in ST 09 took a while for me to get into it. Then again I was never a big ST fan, and I saw the movie with very little info of the original series.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 20, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 20, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
If anyone is interested, I made a new YouTube group to appreciate the movie. It has every trailer and TV spot so far (I think).
http://www.youtube.com/group/CameronsAvatar2009
Please join and show your appreciation ;D
http://www.youtube.com/group/CameronsAvatar2009
Please join and show your appreciation ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 20, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 20, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
I just got back from the theater, and I dont think IVe blinked yet lol. I didnt find it to be too predictable, there were several times when i was on the edge of my seat wondering what was gonna happen. I was even fooled a couple times
The acting was spot on, the effects were mind blowing, the soundtrack was entirely appropriate and moving, and the symbolism wasnt too overpowering. Thematically it is my favorite Cameron film.
And I dont think its necessary to criticize the film for the Jurassic Park references. Theres nothing wrong with giving tastefully props to your roots.
Spoiler
For instance, the deaths of Grace and Trudy. I didn't expect Cameron to kill off two of the strongest female leads.
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The acting was spot on, the effects were mind blowing, the soundtrack was entirely appropriate and moving, and the symbolism wasnt too overpowering. Thematically it is my favorite Cameron film.
And I dont think its necessary to criticize the film for the Jurassic Park references. Theres nothing wrong with giving tastefully props to your roots.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 09:12:21 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 20, 2009, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 20, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
I didnt find it to be too predictable, there were several times when i was on the edge of my seat
Same here, since I thought they never kill off some of the main cast in the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 20, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 20, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
I thought the plot was overall pretty predictable, as in most of us already knew what it was before we even saw it, like most movies. However, I didn't complain when I saw Dances w/ Wolves then watched Last Samurai, even Last of the Mohicans. Everyone already knows the plot, they just want to see the event unfold. Being predictable is much less of importance of how the story was told, and that's what I enjoyed. It's the meat in the sandwich that counts. As far as comparing to Star Trek... I see no reason of someone saying it was better (or worse). Even further, that movie was easily just as "predictable" and I found it an extremely enjoyable as well. If you gotta have a "twist" in an Avatar movie, I'm sure M. Night SHAMALAMAMAMAN's has ya covered there. ;)
Shit, we knew the Titanic was going to sink, but it didn't make the movie any less enjoyable.
Shit, we knew the Titanic was going to sink, but it didn't make the movie any less enjoyable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 20, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 20, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Still want to see it one more time in IMAX, just to make up my mind about which showing was better.
IMAX or realD.
IMAX or realD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Commander Griker on Dec 20, 2009, 10:40:29 PM
Post by: Commander Griker on Dec 20, 2009, 10:40:29 PM
Just got back from watching Avatar RealD at Imax with my family and all i can say is Epic i have not seen a movie this good in a long time. For some reason evey time i saw a marine i thought Colonial Marines you can tell he used some ideas from Aliens with Marines, Dropships, Powerloader Mechs, Company, and Sigourney Weaver man i hope he directs another Aliens film
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 10:57:13 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 20, 2009, 10:57:13 PM
I don't think the plot was thin. I think it was simple. That isn't always a bad thing. The plot was direct enough to allow room for character, which I think it had in spades, arcs, which I guess is part of character, visuals, which while not necessary were used to push the story, and a strong presentation.
I thought it was a nuanced yet unburdened story, and you want the predictable stuff to happen.
I thought it was a nuanced yet unburdened story, and you want the predictable stuff to happen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 01:10:01 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 01:10:01 AM
The movie made $73 million this weekend.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 01:12:42 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 01:12:42 AM
Not enough. Still more than Where the Wild Things Are.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 01:19:03 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 01:19:03 AM
I say it might make more this week due to X-mass maybe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 21, 2009, 01:38:24 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 21, 2009, 01:38:24 AM
Made a lot of money internationally.
And had to deal with New England being buried under snow.
And had to deal with New England being buried under snow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 21, 2009, 02:03:16 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 21, 2009, 02:03:16 AM
This Moive was the best I watch in a long time which im going to go see it again in a few days
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2009, 02:04:08 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2009, 02:04:08 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:24:39 PMIt what way? Nothing that happens wasn't set up in advance. Quite obviously so, in most cases.
The ending was deus ex machina at its finest.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
I'm going to see it again since my mom, dad, and my gradnfather want to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 02:07:17 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 02:07:17 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2009, 02:04:08 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 20, 2009, 06:24:39 PMIt what way? Nothing that happens wasn't set up in advance. Quite obviously so, in most cases.
The ending was deus ex machina at its finest.
Spoiler
The Tree being able to conveniently transfer someone's essence into another body, which was obviously written as a way to solve the crisis of Jake being human. Yes, it was introduced before when they tried to revive Grace, but still, it's just stupid.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 02:23:28 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 02:23:28 AM
But
By the way, were Jake's shriveled legs CGI?
Spoiler
that was first used as an introductory point to the whole 'the world is a collective' thing, and then it's involved in a major plot point when Grace dies. If she had been saved, that would have been a deus ex machina. But no. Instead, she dies and the concept is established as something real, and when it works at the end, there is a sense of relief.
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By the way, were Jake's shriveled legs CGI?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2009, 02:26:51 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2009, 02:26:51 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 02:23:28 AMProsthetics by Weta, apparently. And a good job too, I must say. Very convincing.
By the way, were Jake's shriveled legs CGI?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Okata on Dec 21, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Post by: Okata on Dec 21, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Most amazing movie I have seen in quite awhile. Definately going to see it a few more times. And yes, the legs definately looked real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 02:48:50 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 02:48:50 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 02:23:28 AM
ButSpoiler
that was first used as an introductory point to the whole 'the world is a collective' thing, and then it's involved in a major plot point when Grace dies. If she had been saved, that would have been a deus ex machina. But no. Instead, she dies and the concept is established as something real, and when it works at the end, there is a sense of relief.[close]
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I don't see how the world being literally interconnected (another one of the things I disliked) is able to transfer consciousness into another body.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Commander Griker on Dec 21, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
Post by: Commander Griker on Dec 21, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
The whole concept of passing to other bodies "Avatars" made me think. I once watched a video a reenactment at Area 51 were apossibly they were comunicating with an Alien and it was telling the translater telapath that the soul is endless and they use containers new "bodies" to live longer. what if our goverment is being controled by Aliens in ever seat of power through human avatars?
It kinda makes sence since the soul is endless and you can transport it to other containers "Avatars" you can be reborn in a new body every time you get old and are about to die with all the knowledge you gained from your passed life. Theres no telling how smart you will become Is this why aliens are so advanced. Its like saving information on an external hard drive right before reinstalling a new operating system or if you wanted to transport your information to another Pc
It kinda makes sence since the soul is endless and you can transport it to other containers "Avatars" you can be reborn in a new body every time you get old and are about to die with all the knowledge you gained from your passed life. Theres no telling how smart you will become Is this why aliens are so advanced. Its like saving information on an external hard drive right before reinstalling a new operating system or if you wanted to transport your information to another Pc
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Dec 21, 2009, 03:05:06 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Dec 21, 2009, 03:05:06 AM
Quote from: Commander Griker on Dec 21, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
what if our goverment is being controled by Aliens in ever seat of power through human avatars?
Wouldn't surprise me. Politicians suck ass
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 03:13:19 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 03:13:19 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 02:48:50 AMQuote from: Alienseseses on Dec 21, 2009, 02:23:28 AM
ButSpoiler
that was first used as an introductory point to the whole 'the world is a collective' thing, and then it's involved in a major plot point when Grace dies. If she had been saved, that would have been a deus ex machina. But no. Instead, she dies and the concept is established as something real, and when it works at the end, there is a sense of relief.[close]Spoiler
I don't see how the world being literally interconnected (another one of the things I disliked) is able to transfer consciousness into another body.[close]
Spoiler
I'm talking about the scene where they put their ponytails on the glow-vines and were able to hear spirits of dead Navi, where Neytiri tells him that all Navi spirits are absorbed into the planet.
I personally liked the whole interconnected thing, because it isn't really obvious. The idea that every creature has a port where they can bond on a nervous system scale is pretty original, and kind of cool.
I personally liked the whole interconnected thing, because it isn't really obvious. The idea that every creature has a port where they can bond on a nervous system scale is pretty original, and kind of cool.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 21, 2009, 03:30:42 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 21, 2009, 03:30:42 AM
Quote from: Commander Griker on Dec 21, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
The whole concept of passing to other bodies "Avatars" made me think. I once watched a video a reenactment at Area 51 were apossibly they were comunicating with an Alien and it was telling the translater telapath that the soul is endless and they use containers new "bodies" to live longer. what if our goverment is being controled by Aliens in ever seat of power through human avatars?
It kinda makes sence since the soul is endless and you can transport it to other containers "Avatars" you can be reborn in a new body every time you get old and are about to die with all the knowledge you gained from your passed life. Theres no telling how smart you will become Is this why aliens are so advanced. Its like saving information on an external hard drive right before reinstalling a new operating system or if you wanted to transport your information to another Pc
that made me thinking: i want a predator avatar!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 03:58:43 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 03:58:43 AM
It's looks like Griker is at it again with his crazy post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 04:03:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 04:03:21 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Dec 21, 2009, 01:38:24 AM
Made a lot of money internationally.
And had to deal with New England being buried under snow.
Yeah I saw that on Comingsoon.net as well:
"ERC reports that Cameron's latest movie grossed $225 million worldwide in 106 territories in its first weekend"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 06:46:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 06:46:08 PM
Well, now I am getting fixated on the sales.. :D
from comingsoon.net:
"UPDATE #2: "Avatar" performed better than expected this weekend domestically with a total of $77.3 million, allowing the film to break "I Am Legend's" ($77.2 million) record to become the biggest December opener ever! The film dropped just 3% from Saturday to Sunday, which is pretty impressive. Internationally, "Avatar" opened to $159.2 million, putting its worldwide total at $236.5 million."
from comingsoon.net:
"UPDATE #2: "Avatar" performed better than expected this weekend domestically with a total of $77.3 million, allowing the film to break "I Am Legend's" ($77.2 million) record to become the biggest December opener ever! The film dropped just 3% from Saturday to Sunday, which is pretty impressive. Internationally, "Avatar" opened to $159.2 million, putting its worldwide total at $236.5 million."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 07:17:32 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 07:17:32 PM
Did anybody else hear a little bit of the Aliens score during the fight with Quaritch? It's real brief, but it sounded just like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-7rVdXXwds
It sounded just like the part right at 4:46 and ends at 4:50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-7rVdXXwds
It sounded just like the part right at 4:46 and ends at 4:50.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 08:07:01 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 21, 2009, 08:07:01 PM
I remember hearing the anvil clank sound a few times, reminded me of Aliens a bit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 08:30:42 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 08:30:42 PM
Sherlock Holmes, and Alvin and the Chipmunks 2: The Squeakquel are the main movies that comeout next weekend. Lets hope this is #1 again for this week, or next week.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV2650 on Dec 21, 2009, 08:32:06 PM
Post by: EEV2650 on Dec 21, 2009, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 21, 2009, 08:30:42 PM
Sherlock Holmes, and Alvin and the Chipmunks 2: The Squeakquel are the main movies that comeout next weekend. Lets hope this is #1 again for this week, or next week.
You're putting to much faith in humanity on that one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 21, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Alvin and the Chipmunks 2 is a sequel to a movie that did well at the box office, and it's a family movie. I hope to god that Avatar beats it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 21, 2009, 09:04:53 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 21, 2009, 09:04:53 PM
I am pretty sure Sherlock Holmes is going to be number one. And stay there for a little bit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 21, 2009, 09:06:10 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 21, 2009, 09:06:10 PM
Thats unfortunately a safe bet. Its got 'annoyingly popular christmas hit' written all over it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV2650 on Dec 21, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
Post by: EEV2650 on Dec 21, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Dec 21, 2009, 09:04:53 PM
I am pretty sure Sherlock Holmes is going to be number one. And stay there for a little bit.
I like Guy Ritchie's movies but this one just looks lame. Kind of like 'the Avenger's' or something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Dec 21, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Post by: Vanski on Dec 21, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 21, 2009, 07:17:32 PMI did (once again :D ). I think the score for this movie was a missed opportunity. Horner's score is good, but not good enough. It's still better than recent action scores in movies.
Did anybody else hear a little bit of the Aliens score during the fight with Quaritch? It's real brief, but it sounded just like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-7rVdXXwds
It sounded just like the part right at 4:46 and ends at 4:50.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Dec 21, 2009, 10:42:21 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Dec 21, 2009, 10:42:21 PM
Quote from: Commander Griker on Dec 21, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
The whole concept of passing to other bodies "Avatars" made me think. I once watched a video a reenactment at Area 51 were apossibly they were comunicating with an Alien and it was telling the translater telapath that the soul is endless and they use containers new "bodies" to live longer. what if our goverment is being controled by Aliens in ever seat of power through human avatars?
It kinda makes sence since the soul is endless and you can transport it to other containers "Avatars" you can be reborn in a new body every time you get old and are about to die with all the knowledge you gained from your passed life. Theres no telling how smart you will become Is this why aliens are so advanced. Its like saving information on an external hard drive right before reinstalling a new operating system or if you wanted to transport your information to another Pc
yeh good luck with that?? haha
saw this about a week ago and loved it and wanting to see it again...snoogans
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
I have to admit, my favorite shot was not part of a big epic scene or anything... it was
Spoiler
crippled human Jake in Neytiri's arms. They both looked equally realistic, and I got a sense of scale.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 04:35:48 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 04:35:48 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
I have to admit, my favorite shot was not part of a big epic scene or anything... it wasSpoiler
crippled human Jake in Neytiri's arms. They both looked equally realistic, and I got a sense of scale.[close]
Yeah those parts psyched out my wife in the sense that she felt it was so real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 22, 2009, 10:11:37 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 22, 2009, 10:11:37 AM
Saw it again last night, and it's more amazing the second time around.
I also noticed that the Pa'li (Direhorse for all you humans ;D) sounded like Jurassic Park's Velociraptors.
10/10
I also noticed that the Pa'li (Direhorse for all you humans ;D) sounded like Jurassic Park's Velociraptors.
10/10
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
I have to admit, my favorite shot was not part of a big epic scene or anything... it wasSpoiler
crippled human Jake in Neytiri's arms. They both looked equally realistic, and I got a sense of scale.[close]
Oh, totally. That was one of the most tear jerking scenes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Dec 22, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Dec 22, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
So I finally watched Avatar yesterday evening and it was absolutely amazing.
And the Thanador (the big thing that chased Jake) sounded just like the T-Rex :D
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AMYeah, this scene was so touching :'(Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
I have to admit, my favorite shot was not part of a big epic scene or anything... it wasSpoiler
crippled human Jake in Neytiri's arms. They both looked equally realistic, and I got a sense of scale.[close]
Oh, totally. That was one of the most tear jerking scenes.
QuoteI also noticed that the Pa'li (Direhorse for all you humans Grin) sounded like Jurassic Park's Velociraptors.
10/10
And the Thanador (the big thing that chased Jake) sounded just like the T-Rex :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Dec 22, 2009, 02:50:31 PM
Post by: Aeus on Dec 22, 2009, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AMQuote from: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2009, 03:22:42 AM
I have to admit, my favorite shot was not part of a big epic scene or anything... it wasSpoiler
crippled human Jake in Neytiri's arms. They both looked equally realistic, and I got a sense of scale.[close]
Oh, totally. That was one of the most tear jerking scenes.
I didn't really dig that scene all that much. I just thought she looked scarily big. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
Off that chart, I do find Avatar to be more in-line with what I like than TDK and LotR. Those were great movies, but I didn't get into them like I did Avatar. Where is that chart from?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 04:11:32 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 04:11:32 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 04:07:42 PMfrom imdb
Off that chart, I do find Avatar to be more in-line with what I like than TDK and LotR. Those were great movies, but I didn't get into them like I did Avatar. Where is that chart from?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
It's looks like all of hell broke out lose against on IMDB, good thing I stop posting on their forum a long time ago. Too many trolls, and butthurt people there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
Now I know what the people that think TDK is overrated feel like. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
Just ordered my tickets for Saturday evening, see what the hoax is all about.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
Avatar is #21 now on the list. I was their when TDK was #1 on IMDB, the whole forum went crazy and people where like "NOOO it beated The Godfather". People act like it was the end of the world, and the movie was #1 for a month or two. People their can become butthurt over a movie that they will make dupe accounts to make the movie drop down.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Quotethey will make dupe accounts to make the movie drop down.They will make dupe accounts to make the rating go up too.
In every second post it says something like "OK, it was good, just not that good, I'm slightly disappointed" yet they rate it a 10.
You just cant take the rating serious there, for pretty much every movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:30:45 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 05:30:45 PM
Trolls their have been know to make dupe accounts to make bad movies to go up also. I like the user ratings on RT better since their people there are much smarter, and don't flame the shit out of you if you made a list that has a movie on the top 250.
The big question is whether or not it will beat Sherlock Holmes and hold for the #1 spot. I think it has a good chance. Word of mouth is great I think, the reviews have been great, and people wanted to see it where trap in the snow can now see it.
The big question is whether or not it will beat Sherlock Holmes and hold for the #1 spot. I think it has a good chance. Word of mouth is great I think, the reviews have been great, and people wanted to see it where trap in the snow can now see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 05:38:00 PM
QuoteTrolls their have been know to make dupe accounts to make bad movies to go up also.Depends on what you call a Troll.
I scrumbled through the board yesterday a bit, and good god, everyone who doesn't kiss Jimmy Bob's ass and say that the movie was an intergalactic supa dupa masterpiece with 'mindlowing' efx is being called a Troll there. Just one of many reasons why that board is nothing but a big joke full of retarded gaylords.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
Now I know what the people that think TDK is overrated feel like. :D
Yeah, and that's fair. I thought it was a great movie (TDK) but didn't live up to what I guess I built up in my head.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 22, 2009, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 22, 2009, 06:36:07 PM
Saw Avatar last night digital 3D with my girlfriend. We were aiming for the IMAX showing but it was sold out. It was very very good. The visuals were fantastic. The story must have been good as well b/c it did not feel like it was sitting in the theater for the 3 hrs that i was. In the end, my girlfriend liked it more than i did though, being she is more into fantasy films - which this was. Not much complaining to be done on the whole though as i never really did establish my expectations for it. I figured it would be good which it was but never expected it to be amazing... well - the visuals definitely were - the story was run-of-the-mill but certainly good enough.
O + people talking about elements of the 'Aliens' score in there - i definitely heard it twice (the French Horn line - i think it was a French Horn anyways...) + it made me smile/laugh to myself.
O + people talking about elements of the 'Aliens' score in there - i definitely heard it twice (the French Horn line - i think it was a French Horn anyways...) + it made me smile/laugh to myself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 22, 2009, 06:38:38 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 22, 2009, 06:38:38 PM
Going to see it for a third time at 12:15 tomorrow. I love this movie!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 06:39:10 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 06:39:10 PM
How many peopel didnt want the movie to end which to me 3hrs wasnt enough haha :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 22, 2009, 06:56:18 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 22, 2009, 06:56:18 PM
Going to see it again this weekend. Holmes can wait another week.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 22, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
Quote"AVATAR rockin' on MON w/ huge $16.4M pushing 4day total to $93.4M. Will crush $100M mark later today in just 5 days."http://www.boxofficeguru.com/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:55 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:55 PM
Holly hell thats is a big pick up in the box office on a monday
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 08:13:16 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 22, 2009, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:55 PMProbably because of the snow storm over the weekend.
Holly hell thats is a big pick up in the box office on a monday
Many people couldn't see it because of that, so it's not surprising
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 22, 2009, 09:34:58 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 22, 2009, 09:34:58 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:40:15 PMI feel the same. I was very underwhelmed by it. I hope Avatar lives up to the hype, but I doubt it'll be better than D9 for me.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
Now I know what the people that think TDK is overrated feel like. :D
Yeah, and that's fair. I thought it was a great movie (TDK) but didn't live up to what I guess I built up in my head.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 22, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
Quotescrumbled through the board yesterday a bit, and good god, everyone who doesn't kiss Jimmy Bob's ass and say that the movie was an intergalactic supa dupa masterpiece with 'mindlowing' efx is being called a Troll there. Just one of many reasons why that board is nothing but a big joke full of retarded gaylords.
IDK what is going on their forums since I have not posted on their forums since May. But they take movies too serious, and act like the top 250 is a official list of the 250 best movies ever made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 22, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 22, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:55 PM
Holly hell thats is a big pick up in the box office on a monday
It's the largest Monday take for any film in the month of December. Every other giant Monday intake is during the summer months of May-July when it's near expected.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/days/f-th.htm?page=Mon&p=.htm
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 23, 2009, 01:59:02 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 23, 2009, 01:59:02 AM
I just saw this movie. I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. Don't get me wrong, it was still a good film, but it was very cliched at parts, and the third act was a disappointment. The beginning was very good, however, and so were the action scenes. The Colonel was my favourite character. I'd rate this the third best film of 2009.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 03:45:33 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 03:45:33 AM
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/15043-ep036
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2009, 04:46:52 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2009, 04:46:52 AM
I read the scriptment back when the movie was thought to have been a what if instead of an is going to be and thus found it ruined all the "surprise" moments.
The left out lots of the shots on earth, Wainfleet dies earlier from the giant flying pterodactyl, and I believe Trudy lives and the "Open your eyes Jake," line at the end was removed. Other than that it was pretty much the same thing.
It was okay with fantastic visuals. Anybody worried that the cgi would be less than awesome should lay those feelings to rest. I think it was probably the best cgi I've seen in film, and the rendered backgrounds were awe inspiring.
The Navi still didn't quite move right so the next gen can't tell real and fake stuff didn't quite make it this go around, but if this is the first chapter in a three chapter story.......then it could.
I'd give it 3.5 or so out of five. It feels a little empty outside of Jake and Neytiri's relationship and nobody else got quite the screen time those two did. Granted they were main characters, but main characters admist a sea of no names. That method works well with the Terminator where big scale implications follow a pair of people. But not so much in an epic like he tried to pull off here.
Cameron always impresses me with his world building. The human technology/spacecraft/weaponry/outfits were very cool, and the world felt like a real inhabited place.
The left out lots of the shots on earth, Wainfleet dies earlier from the giant flying pterodactyl, and I believe Trudy lives and the "Open your eyes Jake," line at the end was removed. Other than that it was pretty much the same thing.
It was okay with fantastic visuals. Anybody worried that the cgi would be less than awesome should lay those feelings to rest. I think it was probably the best cgi I've seen in film, and the rendered backgrounds were awe inspiring.
The Navi still didn't quite move right so the next gen can't tell real and fake stuff didn't quite make it this go around, but if this is the first chapter in a three chapter story.......then it could.
I'd give it 3.5 or so out of five. It feels a little empty outside of Jake and Neytiri's relationship and nobody else got quite the screen time those two did. Granted they were main characters, but main characters admist a sea of no names. That method works well with the Terminator where big scale implications follow a pair of people. But not so much in an epic like he tried to pull off here.
Cameron always impresses me with his world building. The human technology/spacecraft/weaponry/outfits were very cool, and the world felt like a real inhabited place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 23, 2009, 04:53:35 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 23, 2009, 04:53:35 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 03:45:33 AMSupport our troops against smurfycats and teddy bears!
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/15043-ep036
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 23, 2009, 05:34:44 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Dec 23, 2009, 05:34:44 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 23, 2009, 05:51:14 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 23, 2009, 05:51:14 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 03:45:33 AM
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/15043-ep036
I only heard a retelling of the whole plot in there... No review.
I can't stand that guy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 05:56:13 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 05:56:13 AM
Bum reviews aren't meant to be taken seriously. The character is a spaze, he never actually reviews movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: fluxcap on Dec 23, 2009, 06:09:07 AM
Post by: fluxcap on Dec 23, 2009, 06:09:07 AM
Wasn't too impressed with the plot (been there, done that), but the effects, use of 3D and production design were damn good. I didn't mind the length, they could have easily rushed to the ending but they took their time and I enjoyed that. One thing that I was outright disappointed with was the score, personally I thought it was terribly uninspired. Nothing memorable about it, and that song on the end credits made us want to leave the theater quicker.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 23, 2009, 06:16:17 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 23, 2009, 06:16:17 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Dec 23, 2009, 05:51:14 AMI only heard a retelling of the whole plot in there... No review.
It's called satire.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 05:56:13 AMThe character is a spaze, he never actually reviews movies.
Walker gave his opinion on the last title card, just like he does at the end of every Bum Review.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 06:19:25 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 06:19:25 AM
I meant the character never actually reviews.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 23, 2009, 12:03:43 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 23, 2009, 12:03:43 PM
I thought the soundtrack was mind blowing! It's so beautifully crafted and powerful. And the use of the violins were prefect. James Horner is still my favourite :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 23, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 23, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
And I was surprised that the credits music fit.
I wonder if Horner will get a nom for his soundtrack?
I wonder if Horner will get a nom for his soundtrack?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: brennan4 on Dec 23, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Post by: brennan4 on Dec 23, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Just saw it. ;D So many things I liked. 1) The special effects, blahblahblah. 2) The ro0e reversal of the military from aliens.(including the final showdown with the robot suit). 3) the fact that James Cameron hasn't lost it ! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 23, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
And I was surprised that the credits music fit.
Yeah, me too. I heard it online before seeing the movie and thought it was crap, but now I can see why they used it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
So guys, I'm not going to see this masterpiece in a cinema, so..
*commits suicide Judas-style on a fig tree*
*commits suicide Judas-style on a fig tree*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:30:47 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:30:47 PM
It's ok Judas, we forgive you. But first you must dance for us. DANCE LIKE A MONKEY!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Where's that from? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Hey guys another $16million day for Avatar on Tuesday which its puts its total to $107millionn plus in the USA and as a totlal World Wide at $300million plus in 5 days
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Hey guys another $16million day for Avatar on Tuesday which its puts its total to $107millionn plus in the USA and as a totlal World Wide at $300million plus in 5 days
Well all they've got to do is double that and they've made their investment back lol.
Quote from: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Where's that from? :D
From my desire to see a monkey dance? -shrug- :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:40:24 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:38:30 PMThe movie only cost i think around $240 million so it has made its money back from the World Wide totalQuote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 23, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Hey guys another $16million day for Avatar on Tuesday which its puts its total to $107millionn plus in the USA and as a totlal World Wide at $300million plus in 5 days
Well all they've got to do is double that and they've made their investment back lol.Quote from: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Where's that from? :D
From my desire to see a monkey dance? -shrug- :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:41:32 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:41:32 PM
Ive yet to hear two 'official' budget reports that are the same lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:46:11 PM
Post by: Puks on Dec 23, 2009, 09:46:11 PM
QuoteFrom my desire to see a monkey dance?
Well, ok.. *dances like a monkey for Undeadite*
Quotearound $240 million
Plus marketing. It can be anything between 400-500 million.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
YAY!!!! -claps like an idiot- ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 23, 2009, 09:58:31 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 23, 2009, 09:58:31 PM
Wow $300 million in 5 days :o!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 23, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Yeah, that's really astounding. Though honestly it isnt too surprising considering the extra cost of 3D and IMAX tickets. I wonder how much it would be if it was solely a 2D regular release?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
It was released worldwide simultaneously, it's not surprising its made this much already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:34:47 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:34:47 AM
Although it is long, limiting the amount of screenings.
Saw it again. Still fantastic. Although I saw more into the company guy this time. He wasn't just a jerk... in some scenes he looked torn about what he was doing. He wasn't happy about being a party to mass murder but he had to do his job.
Saw it again. Still fantastic. Although I saw more into the company guy this time. He wasn't just a jerk... in some scenes he looked torn about what he was doing. He wasn't happy about being a party to mass murder but he had to do his job.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 04:36:46 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 04:36:46 AM
My family liked it too. The only thing my dad didn't like was
Spoiler
the ending. He thought that the last-minute-save didn't make sense, that the robot should have just slit his neck just like that, that the arrow shot was too perfectly timed. I thought it made perfect sense, but no pleasing some people.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 24, 2009, 04:50:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 24, 2009, 04:50:21 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 23, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
It was released worldwide simultaneously, it's not surprising its made this much already.
I don't think it was. China and other parts of Asia don't get it till January. Supposedly there is a massive buzz for it in China, so there could be another big swell in ticket sales. I just saw it again at a different theater using one of the best 3D projectors out there but I still found IMAX more impressive despite it's inferior clarity but the screen is just so big! Anyways, it was a sold out show, as was the following showing. I also saw the local IMAX already has advanced ticket sell outs showings for the days around X-mas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 24, 2009, 08:04:24 AM
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 24, 2009, 08:04:24 AM
Am I going to be missing out on anything special if I don't see this in IMAX?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2009, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 24, 2009, 08:13:15 AM
It was filmed for digital 3D, so no, you're not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 24, 2009, 08:37:04 AM
Post by: Jango1201 on Dec 24, 2009, 08:37:04 AM
ok... what is digital 3D?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 24, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 24, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
The 3d comes across better in RealD 3D theaters.
If the film was shot in IMAX, that would be a different story. But you are missing the amazing sound from IMAX.
If the film was shot in IMAX, that would be a different story. But you are missing the amazing sound from IMAX.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
Went to see it for the third time yesterday and it was just as amazing as the other times, apart from the two eleven year olds (I think they were that old) sitting behind me and laughing whenever the Na'vi spoke in their native tongue. Then they began to mimick the Tsahik when she spoke and that irritated me.
The other times they were laughing was during;
They were just really immature and it annoyed me greatly. :(
The other times they were laughing was during;
Spoiler
The tree of souls scene, when the Na'vi were chanting and attempting to bring Grace back to life and the mating scene.
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They were just really immature and it annoyed me greatly. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:12:12 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:12:12 PM
That happened to me too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 03:33:40 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:12:12 PM
That happened to me too.
Did it annoy you?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:36:18 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 03:36:18 PM
Yes, but it was my second viewing, so not as much as it would have in the beginning.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ace3g on Dec 24, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
Post by: ace3g on Dec 24, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
I enjoyed the movie, but Cameron has to realize even the average movie goer will notice the reused dinosaur sounds from Jurassic Park: TRex and Raptor, and the soundtrack had a lot of Titanic, Aliens, and Mask of Zorro in it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWSnSyUgq_Q&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Frog on Dec 24, 2009, 05:52:40 PM
Post by: Frog on Dec 24, 2009, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Dec 19, 2009, 12:56:10 PMIt was necessary. They were performing a religious ceremony to heal/transfer the consciousness/soul/spirit of one being into another. They do it again at the end to take marines spirit and transfer it to the avatar.Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 19, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
What did you think was in poor taste?
The overly blatant chanting, for example. Sure, it can be a bit of culture, but it just looked a bit... Icky. It makes them more primitive, while the Navi are just more at peace with their enviroment. It just wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 24, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 24, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
One thing about this movie I love is the music since I really enjoy the music in it. The movie has that 90's blockbuster feel to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Dec 24, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
Post by: Huol on Dec 24, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
Spoonys review
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/12/20/vlog-12-19-09-avatar/#disqus_thread
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/12/20/vlog-12-19-09-avatar/#disqus_thread
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Dec 24, 2009, 07:56:28 PM
Post by: severen76 on Dec 24, 2009, 07:56:28 PM
I love Spoony's reviews. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 24, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWSnSyUgq_Q&feature=player_embedded
Awesome, I love Black 20's 300: The PG version too :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: LORD VADER on Dec 24, 2009, 10:05:30 PM
Post by: LORD VADER on Dec 24, 2009, 10:05:30 PM
i thought it was amazing
3d was amazing too as it wasn,t just giving you cheap 3d look at this
the first 30 minutes my jaw was on the floor with the visuals
the story was obvious but you weren't thinking meh here we go i knew that was going to happen but what happened through the movie you wanted to happen
great movie
3d was amazing too as it wasn,t just giving you cheap 3d look at this
the first 30 minutes my jaw was on the floor with the visuals
the story was obvious but you weren't thinking meh here we go i knew that was going to happen but what happened through the movie you wanted to happen
great movie
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
I found it ironic that they showed the Piranha 3D trailer before it, as it shows what Avatar thinks 3D shouldn't be like, and it's a sequel to a movie Cameron... was involved in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 24, 2009, 10:45:42 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 24, 2009, 10:45:42 PM
I did not see a Pranha 3D trailer when I saw it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 24, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
It was 2 minutes of things in your face.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 25, 2009, 02:49:44 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 25, 2009, 02:49:44 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16231&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 25, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 25, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
Avatar regains BO #1 from Chipmunks.
1. Avatar (Fox)
Thurs $11M
2. Alvin & Chipmunks: The Squeakquel (Fox)
Thurs $8M
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
1. Avatar (Fox)
Thurs $11M
2. Alvin & Chipmunks: The Squeakquel (Fox)
Thurs $8M
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 25, 2009, 02:33:26 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 25, 2009, 02:33:26 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Dec 25, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
Avatar regains BO #1 from Chipmunks.
1. Avatar (Fox)
Thurs $11M
2. Alvin & Chipmunks: The Squeakquel (Fox)
Thurs $8M
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
Are people seriously that stupid?
how can this shit happen :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: S4MSUNG on Dec 26, 2009, 07:43:47 AM
Post by: S4MSUNG on Dec 26, 2009, 07:43:47 AM
Quote from: Huol on Dec 24, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
Spoonys review
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/12/20/vlog-12-19-09-avatar/#disqus_thread
2012 has better CG than Avatar...?
Wow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 26, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 26, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: S4MSUNG on Dec 26, 2009, 07:43:47 AMQuote from: Huol on Dec 24, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
Spoonys review
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/12/20/vlog-12-19-09-avatar/#disqus_thread
2012 has better CG than Avatar...?
Wow.
What the hell were they smoking when they were watching Avatar which dont get me wrong 2012 had great CG but nothing compared to Avatar by no means even close
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Dec 26, 2009, 01:50:42 PM
Post by: Puks on Dec 26, 2009, 01:50:42 PM
QuoteAre people seriously that stupid?
Twilight: New Moon made $658,976(!) dollars thus far.
How is that stupid?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Dec 26, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
Post by: DrGediman on Dec 26, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6IQSibFv1k
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 26, 2009, 06:15:28 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 26, 2009, 06:15:28 PM
Some scans in 2012, look like a video game ::). How does 2012 have better visauls then Avatar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 26, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 26, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
Finally saw this.
Movie itself was nothing new, story was an old hat, few surprises (if any), CG and action looked cool, not 'mindblowing' or any of that stuff though.
Still enjoyed it as an friday night popcorn movie, nothing more, nothing less.
Movie itself was nothing new, story was an old hat, few surprises (if any), CG and action looked cool, not 'mindblowing' or any of that stuff though.
Still enjoyed it as an friday night popcorn movie, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 26, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 26, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
I saw it a couple of hours ago.
It's good, no doubt about that. It's not Cameron's best movie but I liked it better than Aliens. Not as entertaining as True Lies though. I absolutely loved the Na'vi and there's not really anything I would like to change about them. The same goes for Pandora, it's just perfect. :)
It's good, no doubt about that. It's not Cameron's best movie but I liked it better than Aliens. Not as entertaining as True Lies though. I absolutely loved the Na'vi and there's not really anything I would like to change about them. The same goes for Pandora, it's just perfect. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 26, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 26, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
I actually think what Blomkamp was able to do with 30 million on D9 was overall more impressive then what Cameron did. Avatar had better SFX overall, but considering that Cameron had almost 300 million, it's not surprising.That's just me though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 26, 2009, 11:16:14 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 26, 2009, 11:16:14 PM
Saw it again today.
Just over twice as many in my theater as last week, and the IMAX was sold out already in the morning, so the BO pull should be interesting.
Pretty big numbers in the theaters despite the fact that it was snowing and such shitty weather outside.
Just over twice as many in my theater as last week, and the IMAX was sold out already in the morning, so the BO pull should be interesting.
Pretty big numbers in the theaters despite the fact that it was snowing and such shitty weather outside.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2_vB7zx_SQ&feature=related
Some spoilerish stuff in here. But old.
Some spoilerish stuff in here. But old.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 26, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
Post by: Razz on Dec 26, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Dec 26, 2009, 11:16:14 PMthe IMAX was sold out already in the morningWas it the manchester Imax you tried to get into? I booked my tickets over a week ago and just managed to get the last two premier seats, 5 minutes later and nearly all the seats were taken.
The good thing is that i won't have to worry about queing for the best seats when i go on Monday. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:06 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:06 AM
I live in Wisconsin. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 27, 2009, 01:29:25 AM
Post by: Razz on Dec 27, 2009, 01:29:25 AM
Whoops. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: S4MSUNG on Dec 27, 2009, 04:03:32 AM
Post by: S4MSUNG on Dec 27, 2009, 04:03:32 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 26, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
I actually think what Blomkamp was able to do with 30 million on D9 was overall more impressive then what Cameron did. Avatar had better SFX overall, but considering that Cameron had almost 300 million, it's not surprising.That's just me though.
This is one of the few reasons I prefer D9 over Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 27, 2009, 05:11:22 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 27, 2009, 05:11:22 AM
One of the reasons you prefer it is that it cost less? Odd.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Dec 27, 2009, 05:14:32 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 27, 2009, 05:14:32 AM
That it looked and worked as well as it did for so little.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 27, 2009, 05:20:13 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Dec 27, 2009, 05:20:13 AM
I know what he's implying, but I fail to see why the limitations of a production have any real bearing on the enjoyment level of the finished product.
I'm not saying which I thought was better, mind you. There are plenty of "low" budget films that totally blow the blockbuster stuff out of the water.
I'm not saying which I thought was better, mind you. There are plenty of "low" budget films that totally blow the blockbuster stuff out of the water.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2009, 08:26:10 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2009, 08:26:10 AM
Like Terminator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Dec 27, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Dec 27, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
Avatar is making a crapload of money at the box office. Blowing Sherlock and Alvin out of the water this weekend, even if it's opening week for both of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 27, 2009, 06:56:56 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 27, 2009, 06:56:56 PM
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
Domestic: $212,268,000 34.5%
+ Foreign: $402,900,000 65.5%
= Worldwide: $615,168,000
That's insane!
Domestic: $212,268,000 34.5%
+ Foreign: $402,900,000 65.5%
= Worldwide: $615,168,000
That's insane!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
So, it made back its budget?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 27, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 27, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2009, 07:02:41 PMWorldwide, yes, domestically, no.
So, it made back its budget?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 27, 2009, 08:19:51 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 27, 2009, 08:19:51 PM
It will get there eventually on the domestic front however. It should make another 50 million during the week (mon-thurs) with relative ease. It will have hit 300 million before the end of next weekend.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 27, 2009, 09:04:59 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 27, 2009, 09:04:59 PM
It was lucky enough to beat Alvin and the Chipmunks 2: The Squeakquel and thank god it did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Dec 28, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
Post by: Razz on Dec 28, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
Just came back from seeing it at the Imax, epic stuff and easily film of the year and in my top10 movies of all time woo. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 28, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 28, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
So, it made back its budget?
The movie cost $237 million to make which it will make its budget back in the US alone by this friday
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 28, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 28, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
That's the studio's number, which is probably A LOT less than the actual.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Predboy on Dec 28, 2009, 10:51:59 PM
Post by: Predboy on Dec 28, 2009, 10:51:59 PM
This movie is the best movie Ive seen, in my life. Yes, I liked it that much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 28, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 28, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/moreweekends.htm?page=2&p=.htm
Avatar' was underestimated, coming in at $75.6 million. That was enough to top 'The Dark Knight's $75.2 million as the highest-grossing second weekend ever!
Avatar' was underestimated, coming in at $75.6 million. That was enough to top 'The Dark Knight's $75.2 million as the highest-grossing second weekend ever!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 28, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 28, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 28, 2009, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
So, it made back its budget?
The movie cost $237 million to make which it will make its budget back in the US alone by this friday
No, it wont. Profits are split with theater owners and other venues. You think they show the movies for free? Outside investors also expect to get back a profit, not just what they put in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
Don't foreign theaters keep lots more of the money than domestic theaters too?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 29, 2009, 05:55:14 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Dec 29, 2009, 05:55:14 AM
Saw it today. I'm pretty disappointed. The story was very predictable. Acting and effects were good, but damn, they're didn't amaze me. But it's a decent film. 3.5/5 for me. I liked District 9 much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Deathbearer on Dec 29, 2009, 06:30:18 AM
Post by: Deathbearer on Dec 29, 2009, 06:30:18 AM
My best friend said he really liked it. I think I'll go see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 29, 2009, 06:56:17 AM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 29, 2009, 06:56:17 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
Don't foreign theaters keep lots more of the money than domestic theaters too?
Indeed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 29, 2009, 09:32:41 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Dec 29, 2009, 09:32:41 PM
It made another 19.5 million on Monday on the domestic front - according 2 B.O.M. This movie won't be slowing down anytime soon...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Dec 29, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: vortep on Dec 29, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
The movie was absolutely brilliant! Love every second of it.
10/10
PS: Watch it on IMAX 3 times already.
10/10
PS: Watch it on IMAX 3 times already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
Post by: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of the year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Dec 30, 2009, 12:50:42 AM
Post by: Xhan on Dec 30, 2009, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Dec 29, 2009, 09:32:41 PM
It made another 19.5 million on Monday on the domestic front - according 2 B.O.M. This movie won't be slowing down anytime soon...
Likely. IMAX venues usually have long term life, and there's nothing competeing for quite a while, and FOX is likely to re-release in the summer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 01:42:09 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 01:42:09 AM
If the movie wins best picture then Fox will keep it even longer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 01:57:26 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 30, 2009, 01:42:09 AM
If the movie wins best picture then Fox will keep it even longer.
I hope does win but i bet you some dam movie like Up In The Air or something wins cuz you know the movie the is most deserving never wins
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:00:08 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:00:08 AM
Avatar, in no way, shape, or form, deserves Best Picture.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Demon on Dec 30, 2009, 03:23:11 AM
Post by: The Demon on Dec 30, 2009, 03:23:11 AM
What about best CG?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Dec 30, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
Post by: Skinner on Dec 30, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
I thought sometimes the CG animals looked kind of unrealistic, but there was so much CG I guess they couldn't make everything perfect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:00:08 AMStar Wars lost best picture to Annie Hall, but which do you remember more?
Avatar, in no way, shape, or form, deserves Best Picture.
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 30, 2009, 03:23:11 AMNot a category.
What about best CG?
Quote from: Skinner on Dec 30, 2009, 03:28:01 AMI thought it all looked realistic, but the human eye can tell when something is fake no matter what you do.
I thought sometimes the CG animals looked kind of unrealistic, but there was so much CG I guess they couldn't make everything perfect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 03:39:47 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 03:39:47 AM
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was a amazing movie also, and it got a best picture nom. I think Avatar should win best picture, and who cares if it does. I mean I did not care when No Country for Old Men won (And I thought American Gangster was a much better movie).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 03:39:59 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 03:39:59 AM
I think when it came to animals ther were just a lil to shinny thats all
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:42:21 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:42:21 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 30, 2009, 03:23:11 AM
What about best CG?
Of course it deserves best SFX.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 30, 2009, 03:39:47 AM
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was a amazing movie also, and it got a best picture nom. I think Avatar should win best picture, and who cares if it does. I mean I did not care when No Country for Old Men won (And I thought American Gangster was a much better movie).
Benjamin Button was a character study, a deep character study. Avatar is a giant effects film with one dimensional characters. Ergo, Benjamin deserves best picture consideration, Avatar doesn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 04:01:54 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 04:01:54 AM
I liked the characters in Avatar. Sue me, I did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 04:12:20 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 04:12:20 AM
I like the characters in Avatar also since I do care for them in the movie, and I never thought they would kill off some of the major cast in the movie.
So was Star Wars 4, and it got a best picture nom.
QuoteAvatar is a giant effects film with one dimensional characters.
So was Star Wars 4, and it got a best picture nom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 30, 2009, 04:23:14 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Dec 30, 2009, 04:23:14 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:00:08 AM
Avatar, in no way, shape, or form, deserves Best Picture.
I completely agree.
I loved Avatar. But this movie had nothing what a Best Picture movie should have to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 30, 2009, 05:13:43 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 30, 2009, 05:13:43 AM
Best Picture and the whole academy awards are subjective awards anyways. What makes a character study a better movie than a film like SW? I'll be talking about SW long after I'll be talking about American Beauty because SW captured my imagination and made me want to get into the Arts. American Beauty was okay, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if I never saw it again.
Granted some character studies kick lots of ass, and two are amongst my favorite films (American History X and Taxi Driver) but just because its a character study doesn't automatically elevate it to a different echelon of the movie pedestal.
Granted some character studies kick lots of ass, and two are amongst my favorite films (American History X and Taxi Driver) but just because its a character study doesn't automatically elevate it to a different echelon of the movie pedestal.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 05:30:12 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 05:30:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 30, 2009, 05:13:43 AM
Best Picture and the whole academy awards are subjective awards anyways. What makes a character study a better movie than a film like SW? I'll be talking about SW long after I'll be talking about American Beauty because SW captured my imagination and made me want to get into the Arts. American Beauty was okay, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if I never saw it again.
Granted some character studies kick lots of ass, and two are amongst my favorite films (American History X and Taxi Driver) but just because its a character study doesn't automatically elevate it to a different echelon of the movie pedestal.
SW was better. It just is. Everything about it is. Cameron can go on about his amazing, orgasmic world of Pandora, but the world of SW is better. The acting is obviously better. It's more subtle in its themes (as unoriginal as they are).
Look, if Avatar turned out to be an incredible film in every way, then go for it. But the main reason I don't think it deserves it is because nothing besides the SFX is "the best."
Am I the only one who thinks Weaver was surprisingly wooden? That Sam Worthington was forgettable? That Quaritch and Selfridge were comically cheesy? That the themes were heavy handed and force-fed? Don't get me wrong, I was still able to enjoy the movie. But to me, these do not best picture make. But that's just me. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 30, 2009, 05:57:02 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 30, 2009, 05:57:02 AM
Yeah, I definately took that the wrong way. I thought you meant every sfx film just was automatic fail when it came to credibility.
Those type of movies kept hollywood afloat in the fifties. SW is better than Avatar because it simply had more interesting things (and many more characters like my man HAN SOLO), though I might be the only one on the planet that actually likes Worthington. He plays the likeable guy pretty well, and as such......I find him pretty likeable. His offstange personality has done nothing to hurt my opinion of him. I actually look foward to more work for him.
He reminds me of Arnold at this stage in his career. Arnie was notiriously easy to work with, but until T2 didn't show much range other than being a big likeable guy. Then he showed he started to show some range.
Those type of movies kept hollywood afloat in the fifties. SW is better than Avatar because it simply had more interesting things (and many more characters like my man HAN SOLO), though I might be the only one on the planet that actually likes Worthington. He plays the likeable guy pretty well, and as such......I find him pretty likeable. His offstange personality has done nothing to hurt my opinion of him. I actually look foward to more work for him.
He reminds me of Arnold at this stage in his career. Arnie was notiriously easy to work with, but until T2 didn't show much range other than being a big likeable guy. Then he showed he started to show some range.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 06:38:36 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 06:38:36 AM
Zoe Saldana is the only one who stood out for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
Fixed ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 10:33:58 AM
Post by: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AMHaha! It's funny because it's not true, at all.Quote from: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
Fixed ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 10:33:58 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AMHaha! It's funny because it's not true, at all.Quote from: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
Fixed ;)
Opinion, I has one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 30, 2009, 11:20:23 AM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Dec 30, 2009, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:45:27 AMSo does he, so do i, and i agree with him, in fact i disagree with him, i say it's not even the best movie of the year.Quote from: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 10:33:58 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AMHaha! It's funny because it's not true, at all.Quote from: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
Fixed ;)
Opinion, I has one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 30, 2009, 11:36:43 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Dec 30, 2009, 11:36:43 AM
LoL :D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 30, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 30, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 30, 2009, 11:20:23 AMSo does he, so do i, and i agree with him, in fact i disagree with him, i say it's not even the best movie of the year.
I agree. While I really liked Avatar, I still think Star Trek was better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 11:52:08 AM
Post by: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 30, 2009, 11:20:23 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:45:27 AMSo does he, so do i, and i agree with him, in fact i disagree with him, i say it's not even the best movie of the year.Quote from: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 10:33:58 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Dec 30, 2009, 10:11:47 AMHaha! It's funny because it's not true, at all.Quote from: Skinner on Dec 29, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
Fixed ;)
Opinion, I has one.
Hey Avatar ain't my favourite movie of the year either. I liked Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen and Terminator Salvation way more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 30, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Scree on Dec 30, 2009, 11:52:08 AM
Hey Avatar ain't my favourite movie of the year either. I liked Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen and Terminator Salvation way more.
I wouldnt say T4 was better by no means but i would say District 9 was
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:55:32 PM
Post by: Cellien on Dec 30, 2009, 03:55:32 PM
Quote
best picture
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the best movie of the year
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No doubt the best movie of theyeardecade.
The hype was coining it as the Movie Event of the Decade, which can mean a number of things and not necessarily "the best movie of _____" which is completely subjective anyways. I do think movie event of the decade could be applicable since it's new 3D technology showcased what it can really do for movies aside from being just a gimmick as well as putting CGI on a new plane for virtual actors. Also that IMAX is the movie's preferred avenue to audiences with consistently sold-out shows giving it the feeling of how people went nuts for Star Wars to see these other science fiction worlds and the wonderful effects to make it come to life.
Then again, it didn't take much to shake up the movie industry as it's become pretty stale with remakes, sequels, and really nothing new brought to the table in quite a while. I respect Avatar for being a great movie sure, but I really respect it for reinvigorating what, to me, was feeling like an industry that needed a injection of excitement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 30, 2009, 04:14:35 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 30, 2009, 04:14:35 PM
Today is the day! The hopes are high.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2009, 06:17:51 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2009, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 30, 2009, 04:14:35 PM
Today is the day! The hopes are high.
I saw it yesterday (in 2D) and LOVED IT!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
2D? Wha?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Dec 30, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
Post by: Skinner on Dec 30, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
I saw it in 2D as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 30, 2009, 07:31:23 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 30, 2009, 07:31:23 PM
Avatar pulled in another 18 million yesterday.
Hot damn.
Hot damn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vemados on Dec 30, 2009, 08:52:47 PM
Post by: Vemados on Dec 30, 2009, 08:52:47 PM
This is a movie you have to see in 3D... no exceptions
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21969/1/PROJECT-880-THE-AVATAR-THAT-ALMOST-WAS/Page1.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Dec 30, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Dec 30, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 30, 2009, 09:48:57 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Dec 30, 2009, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 30, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21969/1/PROJECT-880-THE-AVATAR-THAT-ALMOST-WAS/Page1.html
Very interesting stuff. I love what we got in Avatar, but 880 would have been an absolute masterpiece.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 30, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
I hear James Cameron ideas for a sequel is to go to Earth and get more into the universe mythos. I feel like the sequel might be like T2 over again (Which means it will be better then the first).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 11:14:21 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2009, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 30, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21969/1/PROJECT-880-THE-AVATAR-THAT-ALMOST-WAS/Page1.html
Yeah, that early draft is a lot better. It addresses a lot of the problems I had with the characters and delves deeper in the world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Dec 30, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Dec 30, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
Just watched it yesterday. What an unbelievably awesome movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 31, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 31, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Stuff in the early draft does sound awesome, and I wounder what the movie would look like in the 90's?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 31, 2009, 12:06:42 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 31, 2009, 12:06:42 AM
I saw it a third time today, and while I still liked it, the weak script and the cheesy lines really showed through. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Dec 31, 2009, 12:57:54 AM
Post by: Skinner on Dec 31, 2009, 12:57:54 AM
I didn't think the script was weak, maybe kind of cheesy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 31, 2009, 01:44:21 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Dec 31, 2009, 01:44:21 AM
f**k MY LIFE! we came late to the night showing, and when we arrived, it was full already.
no, thats not the worst, because the theater wont do new 3D functions until Jan. 2 :'(
no, thats not the worst, because the theater wont do new 3D functions until Jan. 2 :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 31, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 31, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: Vemados on Dec 30, 2009, 08:52:47 PM
This is a movie you have to see in 3D... no exceptions
The exception for me was starting 2 hours later and I had to go eat afterwards, and there wouldnt have been time :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 31, 2009, 07:00:04 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 31, 2009, 07:00:04 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16266&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: avpmad! on Dec 31, 2009, 08:44:13 PM
Post by: avpmad! on Dec 31, 2009, 08:44:13 PM
i thought the film was really good and one of the best ive seen this year (2009) but towards the end i could kinda guess what was going to happen
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 31, 2009, 10:28:16 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Dec 31, 2009, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 31, 2009, 07:00:04 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16266&count=0
Reading the BO numbers is quite amusing. Especially on worstpreviews, every comment section leading up to release was full of DURR HURR THIS MOVIE WILL BOMB DURR.
Enjoy eating your words.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 01, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 01, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
Just saw this movie, and my eyeballs were defenitely f**ked, freaking amazing f**king movie, just enjoyed the shit out of it!
11/10
11/10
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 01, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
Post by: vortep on Jan 01, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 01, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
Just saw this movie, and my eyeballs were defenitely f**ked, freaking amazing f**king movie, just enjoyed the shit out of it!
11/10
Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 01, 2010, 05:07:18 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 01, 2010, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: vortep on Jan 01, 2010, 03:39:07 PMQuote from: ShadowPred on Jan 01, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
Just saw this movie, and my eyeballs were defenitely f**ked, freaking amazing f**king movie, just enjoyed the shit out of it!
11/10
Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I agree which that is the best dam Review yet..haha
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 02, 2010, 10:48:31 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 02, 2010, 10:48:31 AM
"Avatar" Sex Scene to Appear on Unrated DVD
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16277&count=0
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16277&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Awgustas on Jan 02, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
Post by: Awgustas on Jan 02, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
Best movie of 2009 in my opinion. Maybe even the best movie in the last 10 years. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 02, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 02, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 02, 2010, 10:48:31 AM
"Avatar" Sex Scene to Appear on Unrated DVD
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16277&count=0
Oh yeah, get ready to break out that kleenex...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Venom on Jan 02, 2010, 07:09:40 PM
Post by: Venom on Jan 02, 2010, 07:09:40 PM
I got a massive headache after watching this 3D. Not to say that I still loved the movie, whole theatre clapped.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 12:42:40 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 12:42:40 AM
This movie is killing the box office look like it is going to be number one again for this weekend it took in $25million plus on friday which was good for number one spot by $10million
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vikingspawn on Jan 03, 2010, 05:51:42 PM
Post by: vikingspawn on Jan 03, 2010, 05:51:42 PM
The army villain guy of the movie reminds me of Vince McMahon from WWE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_McMahon
Even the same delivery of his lines too. :)
Wasn't Michael Biehn originally slated to play role in the movie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_McMahon
Even the same delivery of his lines too. :)
Wasn't Michael Biehn originally slated to play role in the movie?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 05:56:45 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 03, 2010, 05:51:42 PM
The army villain guy of the movie reminds me of Vince McMahon from WWE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_McMahon
Even the same delivery of his lines too. :)
Wasn't Michael Biehn originally slated to play role in the movie?
Yeah. But Arnie coming back to acting as villain once again would've been supreme.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Well its number one again at the box office this weekend with $68 million plus which is a record for the third weekend all time i do believe and its over a Billion world wide now
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Well its number one again at the box office this weekend with $68 million plus which is a record for the third weekend all time i do believe and its over a Billion world wide now
Yeah. This thing has HUGE legs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 03, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 03, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
It's making $785,203,825 right now world wide.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 03, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
no your wrong their its over $1.02 billion which Boxoffice Mojo and a few other sites have not updated ther sites yet,
so here is a site to look at for infro
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/avatar-rules-with-683m-tops-1b-worldwide-ap
so here is a site to look at for infro
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/avatar-rules-with-683m-tops-1b-worldwide-ap
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 03, 2010, 09:05:07 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 03, 2010, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 03, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Look what I made! :D
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(http://g.imageshack.us/img15/kanzuus.jpg/1/)
I lol'd :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 03, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 03, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
Watched it last week.
The visuals (especially the Thundercats which came up a lot better than they did in the trailers) pretty much saved the f**king woeful script, which was far and away Cameron's worst.
The visuals (especially the Thundercats which came up a lot better than they did in the trailers) pretty much saved the f**king woeful script, which was far and away Cameron's worst.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 03, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 03, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Definatly the worst. The story has been told, damn near beat for beat before. All in all, it's not even close to Aliens, Terminator or T2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 03, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 03, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
I could not believe that shithouse exposition scene with Ribisi and Siggy early on. Most other screenwriters would have had their scripts tossed if a reader came across that scene. Utter garbage. And it could've been so easily fixed by replacing Siggy with Worthington.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 03, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 03, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
I could not believe that shithouse exposition scene with Ribisi and Siggy early on. Most other screenwriters would have had their scripts tossed if a reader came across that scene. Utter garbage. And it could've been so easily fixed by replacing Siggy with Worthington.
Oh yeah, that stuck out like a sore thumb for me as well. All I heard was, "I'm telling you what you already know just so the audience knows without me having to tell them directly."
And then I wonder why people say the acting was good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
The acting was adequate given some of the dialogue they had to deliver. Being a big Siggy fan I think she gave it some class.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 04, 2010, 12:03:05 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 04, 2010, 12:03:05 AM
Even she came off as wooden to me. Her first line bitching about the cigarette startled me with how forced it came out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 12:09:06 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 12:09:06 AM
I got a giggle out of that. ;D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 12:59:18 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 12:59:18 AM
I love everything about the movie I do argee the characters should have been work on a bit more, and cut down the running time a little bit. I think James Cameron is going to give us more about the characters, and story in the second movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
That wouldn't be difficult.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 01:25:27 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 01:25:27 AM
I knew that this movie would make billion dollers worldwide, it's no surpirse that it has happen. Cameron is the king of the world again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 01:43:03 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 01:43:03 AM
Does this mean more Star Wars sequels?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 01:50:47 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 01:50:47 AM
Why?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
I remember reading that if Avatar does well, there will be more Star Wars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:02:13 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:02:13 AM
http://io9.com/5387363/new-star-wars-3+d-trilogy-a-no+hope
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 02:06:53 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 02:06:53 AM
You miss the denial from Lucasfilm?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:12:47 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 02:12:47 AM
I was focusing on the
QuoteDon't get too excited, though: MarketSaw says this massive undertaking all depends on how well Avatar does at the box office. That's right, Avatar's success decides whether new Star Wars lives or dies. Because clearly a brand new movie and a long-established, money-printing franchise are the same thing. But they're both in space so what the hell, it's like the same thing right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 02:16:01 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 02:16:01 AM
Maybe try focusing on the LFL denial.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 03:00:06 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 04, 2010, 03:00:06 AM
You never know. 1 billion is loud.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 03:08:53 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 03:08:53 AM
Of course we never know.
We never know if they're going to make another all CG Police Academy as well. There's just as much evidence for that going ahead too though.
If Lucas has any plans to make more SW flicks or 3Dify the existing ones he'll let it be known when he's good and ready - not in response to rumours on the interwebs.
We never know if they're going to make another all CG Police Academy as well. There's just as much evidence for that going ahead too though.
If Lucas has any plans to make more SW flicks or 3Dify the existing ones he'll let it be known when he's good and ready - not in response to rumours on the interwebs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 04, 2010, 03:42:17 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 04, 2010, 03:42:17 AM
Hmm, that makes me think. I wonder when we'll see passed on actors brought back in extremely convincing 3D CG (and how/if that will be allowed). That thought isn't anything new, but Avatar is the first movie that really made me realize how close CG has come to being able to do that, convincingly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 03:44:11 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 03:44:11 AM
Can't imagine that going down terribly well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 04, 2010, 03:51:41 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 04, 2010, 03:51:41 AM
Yeah... probably not. :D Maybe a more reasonable first step would be to re-create an aged actor to make them young again and mocap-ing the real actor's mannerisms (like Avatar). I'm not totally sure I'd want that, but could still be neat to see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:00:01 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:00:01 AM
Say they got someone young and fit to do performance capture for Bilbo Baggins in The Hobbit, but CG a young Ian Holm's face and body on to the performance along with his voice. Who is responsible for the role if it's up for an Oscar?
This sort of thing might have it's place - say Gilliam could've completed Parnassus with a CG Ledger. And Riddles already did it with Ollie Reid for Gladiator, though to a much lesser extent.
You might get away with it for historical bio flicks - but they've been getting away with current actors playing recent historical figures for years.
This sort of thing might have it's place - say Gilliam could've completed Parnassus with a CG Ledger. And Riddles already did it with Ollie Reid for Gladiator, though to a much lesser extent.
You might get away with it for historical bio flicks - but they've been getting away with current actors playing recent historical figures for years.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 04:07:38 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 04, 2010, 04:07:38 AM
If they do a Star Wars 7-10 then make it based on The New Jedi Order since Luke in it is like 60's something years old in it. I would not shock if Lucas does a new SW series due to Avatar since he wanted to the pequels thanks to the visuals in JP.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Yeah but he had space for three previous film since retitling A New Hope as epsiode 4, and the arc of Anakin Skywalker is completed.
If he ever did 7, 8 and 9 - which according to Richard Marquand he did have stories for as of 1983 - I doubt it'd have much, if anything, to do with the post-Jedi books and comics.
If he ever did 7, 8 and 9 - which according to Richard Marquand he did have stories for as of 1983 - I doubt it'd have much, if anything, to do with the post-Jedi books and comics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 04, 2010, 12:14:18 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 04, 2010, 12:14:18 PM
in case of new star wars movies id like to see more of the empire period. theres so much time between the different movies, Lucas could try and write some small stories: one before a new hope, exclusively about the empire and the birth of the rebelion, one after the empires strikes back telling the story of the rogue squadron, and a last one after the return of the Jedi about the struggle of the last imperial generals to take the throne of the missing emperor.
thoughs?
thoughs?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Jan 04, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
Post by: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Jan 04, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
1.2 BILLION and no signs of stopping.
Holy shit!
The film deserves it though. What an insane experience it is.
Holy shit!
The film deserves it though. What an insane experience it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 04, 2010, 07:31:57 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 04, 2010, 07:31:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Yeah but he had space for three previous film since retitling A New Hope as epsiode 4, and the arc of Anakin Skywalker is completed.
If he ever did 7, 8 and 9 - which according to Richard Marquand he did have stories for as of 1983 - I doubt it'd have much, if anything, to do with the post-Jedi books and comics.
Aye. Given his personal bent, probably be completely different now anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Awgustas on Jan 05, 2010, 10:14:41 AM
Post by: Awgustas on Jan 05, 2010, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Jan 04, 2010, 07:17:11 PMHella yeah! I heard Sam Worthington already signed up a conract to film in a sequel.
1.2 BILLION and no signs of stopping.
Holy shit!
The film deserves it though. What an insane experience it is.
A couple more years, and we'll see another great J. Cameron's movie!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 05, 2010, 06:48:05 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 05, 2010, 06:48:05 PM
His next movie is Battle Angel, and that movie will likely be out by 2011 - 2013.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 05, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 05, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Jan 04, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
1.2 BILLION and no signs of stopping.
Holy shit!
The film deserves it though. What an insane experience it is.
As long as it beats Titanic, I'll be happy ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
QuoteHella yeah! I heard Sam Worthington already signed up a conract to film in a sequel.
If sequels were planned, they would've been written into the original contract.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2010, 10:02:29 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2010, 10:02:29 PM
Wow. This thing must be good if it is being considered for best picture.
I need to stop listening to Doug and Spoony.
I need to stop listening to Doug and Spoony.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2010, 10:15:10 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2010, 10:15:10 PM
Best picture for that derivative and cliched script?
Oh well I guess Titanic won too...
Oh well I guess Titanic won too...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 05, 2010, 10:21:27 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 05, 2010, 10:21:27 PM
Surely this can't be nominated for best picture.
The only thing it has going for it is CGI. That's it. That is the entire extent of that thing's existence is to be pretty.
It's the cinematic equivalent of Chinese food. Good while it lasts, but leaves you empty half an hour later.
The only thing it has going for it is CGI. That's it. That is the entire extent of that thing's existence is to be pretty.
It's the cinematic equivalent of Chinese food. Good while it lasts, but leaves you empty half an hour later.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 05, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 05, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
That's exactly how I felt. It was fun, but over colorful and lacked any new story elements. It feels like an extended test reel for the new Cg.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 05, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 05, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: MoBiUGeArSkIn on Jan 04, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
1.2 BILLION and no signs of stopping.
Holy shit!
The film deserves it though. What an insane experience it is.
It deserves to do better than a lot of the crap that came out this year, but I don't think it should get that much money. It shouldn't get a best-picture nomination, either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
OK, I'm just going to say that I really liked the script.
Sometimes a simple story (simple, mind you, not stupid/mindless) told really well is just what the doctor ordered. And it fit the tone the visuals set.
I liked the acting.
I liked the direction.
I liked the score.
I thought it was a top notch movie. It wasn't complicated, but it doesn't have to be.
Sometimes a simple story (simple, mind you, not stupid/mindless) told really well is just what the doctor ordered. And it fit the tone the visuals set.
I liked the acting.
I liked the direction.
I liked the score.
I thought it was a top notch movie. It wasn't complicated, but it doesn't have to be.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 12:26:47 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 12:26:47 AM
There's simple and then there's derivative, ham-fisted, preachy, cliche riddled, utterly lacking in subtlety and predictable.
Avatar was not the former.
Avatar was not the former.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 12:37:12 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 12:37:12 AM
But its got space dragons eating mercs ftw.
The only thing that struck me as overly (I don't have time to deliver a complex script) was the Selfridge/Grace speach. It was obvious exposition.
The only thing that struck me as overly (I don't have time to deliver a complex script) was the Selfridge/Grace speach. It was obvious exposition.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 12:40:45 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 12:40:45 AM
Boy was that a howler...
I dunno why someone couldn't have done the whole "Pay attention - important story point" thing to Jake. At least he has a reason to not know exactly what's going on, unlike Grace.
I dunno why someone couldn't have done the whole "Pay attention - important story point" thing to Jake. At least he has a reason to not know exactly what's going on, unlike Grace.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 03:24:52 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 03:24:52 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:24:32 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:24:32 AM
Saw this over the weekend. One of the best films I have ever seen. A cinematic masterpiece. I am not just speaking of the CG...it was breathtaking. However, true genius is taking a plot that has been done a 100 times over and making it better...that is what Cameron did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
How?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:28:10 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:28:10 AM
Writing...how else?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:33:18 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:33:18 AM
::)
No, how did he "make it better"? I spent the entire film hoping he would in fact make it better, and put some new twist on it and was disappointed when he didn't. It played out exactly as one would expect of a film with this sort of plot.
No, how did he "make it better"? I spent the entire film hoping he would in fact make it better, and put some new twist on it and was disappointed when he didn't. It played out exactly as one would expect of a film with this sort of plot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 05:36:21 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 05:36:21 AM
SM, you can't possibly expect a deep story full of twists in this kind of blockbuster.. Like it or not, most people prefer simple stories, so they don't have to think too much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:42:49 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 05:42:49 AM
I did mention that the plot was one that was done 100 times...however the plot and the script are two different things....his script changed the game when it came to that certain type of plot. The dialogue, the action scenes, and I assume he did have a lot of direction for the actors.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:56:37 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:56:37 AM
QuoteSM, you can't possibly expect a deep story full of twists in this kind of blockbuster..
What a load of horseshit. The Matrix was way deeper than this and cleaned up something chronic both financially and critically.
QuoteI did mention that the plot was one that was done 100 times...however the plot and the script are two different things....his script changed the game when it came to that certain type of plot.
How exactly?
Yes, we have a new setting; yes we have a new way for the imperialist oppressors to infiltrate the natives. But how has the plot changed? It's still "one oppressor guy infiltrates natives, then switches sides to fight the other oppressor guys". I really, really wanted Cambo to do something new to that plot. Even Titanic didn't feel as hackneyed as Avatar. Thankfully he had the visuals to distract us.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 06:22:25 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 06:22:25 AM
And Space Dragons!
As a matter of fact I petition to change the name of Avatar to Space Dragons: f**k YEAH!
As a matter of fact I petition to change the name of Avatar to Space Dragons: f**k YEAH!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 06, 2010, 06:28:13 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 06, 2010, 06:28:13 AM
I think I'll throw some more money at it this weekend.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 06:29:25 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 06:29:25 AM
You're making this hard for me, SM..
I hope this will please you: You can't possibly expect a deep story full of twists in a movie by James Cameron.
There. Satisfied?
Hell, the movie made over a billion bucks, the audiences love it, received critical acclaim. Jimbo is probably the happiest guy on the planet right now. King of the world, that what he is.
I hope this will please you: You can't possibly expect a deep story full of twists in a movie by James Cameron.
There. Satisfied?
Hell, the movie made over a billion bucks, the audiences love it, received critical acclaim. Jimbo is probably the happiest guy on the planet right now. King of the world, that what he is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 06:37:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 06:37:16 AM
Quote from: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 06:29:25 AMDespite being sued for plagiarism, The Terminator wasn't just a straight rip of any one story. And as derivative as T2 and Aliens are of the movies that precede them, they don't beat you over the head as you're watching.
I hope this will please you: You can't possibly expect a deep story full of twists in a movie by James Cameron.
Those movies all have at least some depth to them, and at least some subtlety.
Avatar plays out more like James Cameron smashing you over the head with a mallet saying "HAI GUYS I HAS MESSAGE LET ME SHOW YOU IT".
Cameron is not known for his original plots, but dammit, at least the man used to f**king try. Avatar is so by-the-numbers It's not even funny. Everything you think will happen does happen when you think it will and how you think it will.
Of course there's going to be some prophetic sign saying Jake should be let into the Na'vi tribe. Of course the dude's going to excel, of course he's going to fall in love with the blue smurfycat, of course his alterior motives will be found out and oh, just to be different, he not only redeems himself, but does so so overwhelmingly that he becomes all but the leader of the entire race for a day.
I'm not bothering putting that in a spoiler box because you should be able to predict it with utmost precision before the first five minutes are up. Everything you expect to happen, happens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 06:39:05 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 06:39:05 AM
The thing about his blockbuster as oppossed to his others were: They all stood on decent writing shoulders. Cameron purposedly regressed his writing to show off the Pandora world. Which if that was his intent then he nailed it perfectly on the head. The main distraction for me however is that the scriptment which had about 8 total sentences of dialogue in it was more interesting and more psychologically stimulating than the movie. Even if the movie better realized the pandoran world than the scriptment did. (as I said earlier Cameron's world building is ALWAYS top notch).
Cameron has never blown the door of its hinges with deep or emotionally stirring dialogue, but he's been much better than he was in Avatar which was two people and a cast of expendables.
Does anybody have a hard time remembering the primary characters of his first halfdozen movies? One of his favorite characters of mine was Biehn's character in the Abyss as the crazy navy seal, and that guy was just a representation of humanities greater ills and had very limited screentime. Yet he was memorable. You cant say that of the secondary cast in Avatar, or even the rest of the primary cast oustide of Jake and Neytiri.
Cameron has never blown the door of its hinges with deep or emotionally stirring dialogue, but he's been much better than he was in Avatar which was two people and a cast of expendables.
Does anybody have a hard time remembering the primary characters of his first halfdozen movies? One of his favorite characters of mine was Biehn's character in the Abyss as the crazy navy seal, and that guy was just a representation of humanities greater ills and had very limited screentime. Yet he was memorable. You cant say that of the secondary cast in Avatar, or even the rest of the primary cast oustide of Jake and Neytiri.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 06:43:26 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 06:43:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 05:56:37 AM
How exactly?
Yes, we have a new setting; yes we have a new way for the imperialist oppressors to infiltrate the natives. But how has the plot changed? It's still "one oppressor guy infiltrates natives, then switches sides to fight the other oppressor guys". I really, really wanted Cambo to do something new to that plot. Even Titanic didn't feel as hackneyed as Avatar. Thankfully he had the visuals to distract us.
You are confusing plot with script. He took a basic plot and through dialogue, written action, and character he made that basic plot better. He did nothing different with the plot...nothing. It was a better written same basic plot, though. Understand?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 06:46:20 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 06:46:20 AM
Dude may as well have made a documentary. Would've been more palatable than what he was passing off as a script.
Seriously, I'd take District 9 with Smurfycats over Disney with a Budget.
Seriously, I'd take District 9 with Smurfycats over Disney with a Budget.
Quote from: EarthHive on Jan 06, 2010, 06:43:26 AMThe dialogue was every bit as cliché as the plot. He fixed nothing, just hid it with pretty pictures.
You are confusing plot with script. He took a basic plot and through dialogue, written action, and character he made that basic plot better. He did nothing different with the plot...nothing. It was a better written same basic plot, though. Understand?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 06, 2010, 06:47:28 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 06, 2010, 06:47:28 AM
Hurray for pretty pictures!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
Are you guys really debating opinion? Really?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 11:56:16 AM
Well yeah.
He's saying he took the same old plot and made it better.
It's kind of hard to see how, when he took the same old plot and did absolutely nothing to it. He kept it as it was. Just added pretty pictures.
He's saying he took the same old plot and made it better.
It's kind of hard to see how, when he took the same old plot and did absolutely nothing to it. He kept it as it was. Just added pretty pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 01:54:04 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 01:54:04 PM
QuoteHell, the movie made over a billion bucks, the audiences love it, received critical acclaim.
Quoting myself. You're complaints are like farts in a hurricane.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jan 06, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jan 06, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 11:56:16 AMYou answered your own question. ;)
He's saying he took the same old plot and made it better.
It's kind of hard to see how, when he took the same old plot and did absolutely nothing to it. He kept it as it was. Just added pretty pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
And set it in space. And created an ecosystem. And it was very nicely structured.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 07:22:48 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 07:22:48 PM
It's seems like everyone on his fourm has a issue with Cameron when we are on a site that is based on the alien series, and he did direct one of the best sequels ever made which is Aliens. No idea is 100% original, and people have been taking other ideas then retelling them in their own ways for years now. I don't think Avatar was mean to be a dark hard core movie as most people on this site thought it was going to be, and I was fine with the plot for Avatar since I knew it was going to be in depth like most people think it was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2010, 08:16:50 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2010, 08:16:50 PM
I came back from the theatre just now, and saw the film in IMAX 3D.
ZOMGWTFBBQ JESUS TEH AVATRZ IS LE SHITZORZ CAMEROOOON IS GOD. Well, that's what I'd be saying if I was 10 ten year old fanboy, but I'm not so here's my review.
The film started off well...I think. We learn that Sully has a dead brother who was a highly regarded scientist (I swear that was Tobey Maguire) who was one of the brains behind Sigourney Weaver's character's (Grace) momentous project to give humans the ability to walk and talk like the Na'vi, hence the title Avatar. Turns out actually, while that project is indeed legit, the evil white man has come to the planet in the hopes that these indigenous people will happily pack up their bags so that a precious mineral can be extracted, and that the Na'vi will move when they see how big the white man's armoured penis is, but of course, that doesn't work out so well and all hell breaks loose.
So there's your story...so far.
As Sully gets more and more involved with the natives, he falls in love with one of their women who is charged with teaching him their ways and customs. As you might have guessed, this is where Cameron's reliance on Romeo and Juliet kicks in (see: Titanic). Boy meets girl, no one approves. I guess Shakespeare is universal in that sense, even the Na'vi know the story...
Anyway, they fall in love, they wander ever so gayly about the woods, and of course the impromptu sex, er, love, excuse me, scene is there, under the mystical tree in what looks like a 12-year old blonde girl's fantasy with a Jonas Brother.
So. Plot cliches and weak story aside, the set pieces, along with the special effects, are nothing short of mind-boggling and I will defend that statement until the day I die. That's what this film will be rememberd for no doubt, as the action sequences towards the end are really something to behold. I was impressed with the rendering of the floating mountains. Seeing the film in 3D as well, I really did feel as though that I was both in the film, but the rendering was good enough that the world looked real, and that was important for me because it adds to the immersion. I swear, had I not known this was a movie, I would've thought they filmed somewhere deep in Africa. The monsters of the forest were particularly vicious critters. Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the giant rat monster that Neytiri was riding at the end, had a roar that sounded exactly like the T.Rex in Jurassic Park?
That's another thing that irked me about this film. What the f**k is up with all the God-damn references to Aliens???!?! Enough already! Jesus, when I saw that dropship design, along with Michelle Rodriguez character, I wanted to vomit. Not to mention, you can't convince me that Stephen Lang's character didn't remind you of Apone in some way. Jimmy, let go of the past. Aliens was made and done, learn to create something original for f**k's sakes!
So putting it all together, I give Avatar a 6/10. A good film, but only because it has supremo eye-candy. Without it, it's a derivative and predictable roller coaster with nothing worth writing home about.
ZOMGWTFBBQ JESUS TEH AVATRZ IS LE SHITZORZ CAMEROOOON IS GOD. Well, that's what I'd be saying if I was 10 ten year old fanboy, but I'm not so here's my review.
The film started off well...I think. We learn that Sully has a dead brother who was a highly regarded scientist (I swear that was Tobey Maguire) who was one of the brains behind Sigourney Weaver's character's (Grace) momentous project to give humans the ability to walk and talk like the Na'vi, hence the title Avatar. Turns out actually, while that project is indeed legit, the evil white man has come to the planet in the hopes that these indigenous people will happily pack up their bags so that a precious mineral can be extracted, and that the Na'vi will move when they see how big the white man's armoured penis is, but of course, that doesn't work out so well and all hell breaks loose.
So there's your story...so far.
As Sully gets more and more involved with the natives, he falls in love with one of their women who is charged with teaching him their ways and customs. As you might have guessed, this is where Cameron's reliance on Romeo and Juliet kicks in (see: Titanic). Boy meets girl, no one approves. I guess Shakespeare is universal in that sense, even the Na'vi know the story...
Anyway, they fall in love, they wander ever so gayly about the woods, and of course the impromptu sex, er, love, excuse me, scene is there, under the mystical tree in what looks like a 12-year old blonde girl's fantasy with a Jonas Brother.
So. Plot cliches and weak story aside, the set pieces, along with the special effects, are nothing short of mind-boggling and I will defend that statement until the day I die. That's what this film will be rememberd for no doubt, as the action sequences towards the end are really something to behold. I was impressed with the rendering of the floating mountains. Seeing the film in 3D as well, I really did feel as though that I was both in the film, but the rendering was good enough that the world looked real, and that was important for me because it adds to the immersion. I swear, had I not known this was a movie, I would've thought they filmed somewhere deep in Africa. The monsters of the forest were particularly vicious critters. Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the giant rat monster that Neytiri was riding at the end, had a roar that sounded exactly like the T.Rex in Jurassic Park?
That's another thing that irked me about this film. What the f**k is up with all the God-damn references to Aliens???!?! Enough already! Jesus, when I saw that dropship design, along with Michelle Rodriguez character, I wanted to vomit. Not to mention, you can't convince me that Stephen Lang's character didn't remind you of Apone in some way. Jimmy, let go of the past. Aliens was made and done, learn to create something original for f**k's sakes!
So putting it all together, I give Avatar a 6/10. A good film, but only because it has supremo eye-candy. Without it, it's a derivative and predictable roller coaster with nothing worth writing home about.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: avpmad! on Jan 06, 2010, 09:37:41 PM
Post by: avpmad! on Jan 06, 2010, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2010, 08:16:50 PMi agree with this mostly like when sully and the girl become best friends and eventually mate, u could just tell what was going to happen from then onwards but jeez louise this film has some stunning special effects but overall i would give it a rating of 8.5/10
I came back from the theatre just now, and saw the film in IMAX 3D.
ZOMGWTFBBQ JESUS TEH AVATRZ IS LE SHITZORZ CAMEROOOON IS GOD. Well, that's what I'd be saying if I was 10 ten year old fanboy, but I'm not so here's my review.
The film started off well...I think. We learn that Sully has a dead brother who was a highly regarded scientist (I swear that was Tobey Maguire) who was one of the brains behind Sigourney Weaver's character's (Grace) momentous project to give humans the ability to walk and talk like the Na'vi, hence the title Avatar. Turns out actually, while that project is indeed legit, the evil white man has come to the planet in the hopes that these indigenous people will happily pack up their bags so that a precious mineral can be extracted, and that the Na'vi will move when they see how big the white man's armoured penis is, but of course, that doesn't work out so well and all hell breaks loose.
So there's your story...so far.
As Sully gets more and more involved with the natives, he falls in love with one of their women who is charged with teaching him their ways and customs. As you might have guessed, this is where Cameron's reliance on Romeo and Juliet kicks in (see: Titanic). Boy meets girl, no one approves. I guess Shakespeare is universal in that sense, even the Na'vi know the story...
Anyway, they fall in love, they wander ever so gayly about the woods, and of course the impromptu sex, er, love, excuse me, scene is there, under the mystical tree in what looks like a 12-year old blonde girl's fantasy with a Jonas Brother.
So. Plot cliches and weak story aside, the set pieces, along with the special effects, are nothing short of mind-boggling and I will defend that statement until the day I die. That's what this film will be rememberd for no doubt, as the action sequences towards the end are really something to behold. I was impressed with the rendering of the floating mountains. Seeing the film in 3D as well, I really did feel as though that I was both in the film, but the rendering was good enough that the world looked real, and that was important for me because it adds to the immersion. I swear, had I not known this was a movie, I would've thought they filmed somewhere deep in Africa. The monsters of the forest were particularly vicious critters. Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the giant rat monster that Neytiri was riding at the end, had a roar that sounded exactly like the T.Rex in Jurassic Park?
That's another thing that irked me about this film. What the f**k is up with all the God-damn references to Aliens???!?! Enough already! Jesus, when I saw that dropship design, along with Michelle Rodriguez character, I wanted to vomit. Not to mention, you can't convince me that Stephen Lang's character didn't remind you of Apone in some way. Jimmy, let go of the past. Aliens was made and done, learn to create something original for f**k's sakes!
So putting it all together, I give Avatar a 6/10. A good film, but only because it has supremo eye-candy. Without it, it's a derivative and predictable roller coaster with nothing worth writing home about.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 09:48:33 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 09:48:33 PM
I think most people who have seen or going to see the movie are thinking the movie is going to be another 2001. When I saw the movie I knew it was not going to be in depth with the story, or very deep. When saw Avatar I was very happy with the results, and the main flaw I argee with everyone is the characters. But I feel like the those things will be improve in a sequel hopely.
I argee that D9 is a better movie when it comes to story, and characters without a doubt. I do think Avatar is a better movie to watch then D9 in my opinion.
I argee that D9 is a better movie when it comes to story, and characters without a doubt. I do think Avatar is a better movie to watch then D9 in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: Puks on Jan 06, 2010, 01:54:04 PMI do not have a f**k to give about how much money it's made. So it's made over a billion dollars, it's still a balls-achingly terribly written film.
Your complaints are like farts in a hurricane.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
QuoteThere. Satisfied?
No. Both Terminator films and Aliens say you're wrong.
This from SiL sums it up perfectly...
QuoteCameron is not known for his original plots, but dammit, at least the man used to f**king try.
Aliens copied so many beats from Alien, but he hid nearly all of them perfectly.
QuoteYou are confusing plot with script. He took a basic plot and through dialogue, written action, and character he made that basic plot better. He did nothing different with the plot...nothing. It was a better written same basic plot, though. Understand?
What's to understand? You don't even understand what you're typing. If the plot plays out via the script exactly the way we expect it to play out - then he hasn't changed a thing. There was no twist, no surprises. It was so incredibly predictable. Even a film like Titanic, where we know the boat sinks and we know Kate Winslet survives had surprises because we didn't know how she was going to survive and what was going to happen to DiCaprio.
With Avatar, no one with half a brain is going to be surprised when Jake starts to side with the Na'vi. Quaritch might as well have had bad guy in bright neon letters tatooed onto his forehead. Ribisi's character should've been called Burke. Because they're so one dimensionally evil, Jake has no real conflict over switching sides. It makes it way too easy for him.
QuoteNo idea is 100% original, and people have been taking other ideas then retelling them in their own ways for years now.
Point missed.
As has been said - he used to hide it better when he nicked other peoples ideas; which is a good thing. It's taking an idea and turning it into something new and original. Now he just doesn't give a shit.
QuoteI don't think Avatar was mean to be a dark hard core movie as most people on this site thought it was going to be, and I was fine with the plot for Avatar since I knew it was going to be in depth like most people think it was.
So you thought it was "in depth"? You talking plot or the 3D?
QuoteWhen I saw the movie I knew it was not going to be in depth with the story, or very deep.
Or neither?
QuoteI think most people who have seen or going to see the movie are thinking the movie is going to be another 2001.
Then they'd be idiots.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 06, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
You guys should read the original screenplay, it was rather awesome. I wounder what extar sceens other then the sex moment will be in the director cut?
The Plot. I know Avatar was not going to be a hard core story like most people thought it was going to be. I knew Avatar was going to be a simple sfi fantasy story, and if I wanted a movie with in depth plot and characters, then I would watch D9 or a series like NGE.
I was fine with Avatar, and I argee with the top critcs score on RT (which is 94%). If the movie does win best picture, then why do you care? I did not care that Shakespeare in Love won best picture in 98, and I still think that Darkcity was the best movie of 98 instend.
QuoteYou talking plot or the 3D
The Plot. I know Avatar was not going to be a hard core story like most people thought it was going to be. I knew Avatar was going to be a simple sfi fantasy story, and if I wanted a movie with in depth plot and characters, then I would watch D9 or a series like NGE.
I was fine with Avatar, and I argee with the top critcs score on RT (which is 94%). If the movie does win best picture, then why do you care? I did not care that Shakespeare in Love won best picture in 98, and I still think that Darkcity was the best movie of 98 instend.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 10:54:17 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2010, 10:54:17 PM
QuoteYou guys should read the original screenplay, it was rather awesome.
So what happened?
QuoteIf the movie does win best picture, then why do you care?
I don't particularly care if the academy look like idiots for awarding Best Picture to Avatar. Speaking of Shakespeare In Love, they looked like idiots for giving Gwyneth Paltrow best actress.
It would be a joke for Avatar to win Best Picture, just as how it'd be a joke if it didn't win Best Visual Effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 11:31:37 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 06, 2010, 11:31:37 PM
I've got it on my other comp if I can be bothered to upload it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 06, 2010, 10:51:15 PMI cannot think of a single person who ever thought that.
I know Avatar was not going to be a hard core story like most people thought it was going to be.
Everyone knew it was going to be simple.
Just ... not that simple.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 06, 2010, 11:56:56 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 06, 2010, 11:56:56 PM
He's got 2 "billion" in the bank and his stories (such as they are) translate well because braindead retards who ask questions every five minutes can follow along, and people who don't speak the language don't have to conjecture. Sounds like a winning formula to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 07, 2010, 12:27:28 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 07, 2010, 12:27:28 AM
Tuesday brought in 7.3 mil, bringing total domestic to $367,536,685..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 07, 2010, 02:58:27 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 07, 2010, 02:58:27 AM
QuoteSo what happened?
I posted a link a few pages back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 07, 2010, 03:49:31 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 07, 2010, 03:49:31 AM
Cameron is able to immerse you into his worlds and he did that in a fine way with Avatar. I enjoy many different styles of films but I really find the atmosphere and immersion in Cameron's films some of the best. Avatar really captured what Pandora was all about. The Three-Deeez just drove that home further. The movie never felt dull or had any parts that pulled me out as a viewer. It was always engaging, even with the "been there done that" story and stereo-typical characters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
I just lament what it could've been without the "been done done that" story and stereotypical characters.
And plotholes like - why didn't the loyal soldier dude report Michelle Rodriguez for pissing off and not shooting the tree?
And plotholes like - why didn't the loyal soldier dude report Michelle Rodriguez for pissing off and not shooting the tree?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 07, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 07, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
Yeah, dunno. They seemed like good buddies!? :D I could buy they just let it be if that was the case...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Jan 07, 2010, 04:14:40 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on Jan 07, 2010, 04:14:40 AM
Hey, ALIENS is essentially a sci fi remake of the classic western RIO BRAVO. That doesn't stop it from being f**kING AWESOME! ;D
So what if AVATAR is DANCES WITH WOLVES in space? It still might be like the above mentioned film.
Not original, but still
f**kING AWESOME! ;D
Of course, I have not seen AVATAR yet, so I'll come back when I do.
So what if AVATAR is DANCES WITH WOLVES in space? It still might be like the above mentioned film.
Not original, but still
f**kING AWESOME! ;D
Of course, I have not seen AVATAR yet, so I'll come back when I do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 04:18:35 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 04:18:35 AM
There's also Zulu and Starship Troopers in there as well and lots of beats and motifs from Alien.
What makes it's storyline "awesome" and Avatar's "meh", is that Cameron went to the trouble of taking ideas from different sources, then using them to create something new with Aliens, and simply didn't bother with Avatar, knowing (correctly) that it'd be lapped up because of the visuals.
What makes it's storyline "awesome" and Avatar's "meh", is that Cameron went to the trouble of taking ideas from different sources, then using them to create something new with Aliens, and simply didn't bother with Avatar, knowing (correctly) that it'd be lapped up because of the visuals.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Jan 07, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
Post by: DrHobo on Jan 07, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/2jbpfzp.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/2jbpfzp.jpg)
:D
I loved the movie none the less.
:D
I loved the movie none the less.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 07, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 07, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 06, 2010, 06:46:20 AM
The dialogue was every bit as cliché as the plot. He fixed nothing, just hid it with pretty pictures.
I just thought it was very well written.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 07, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 07, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
I feel that while the story was familiar, it was told well. It had structure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
It flowed nicely indeed. Everything happened in the proper order but that doesn't change the fact that any viewer with half a brain could predict the next 5 scenes, 5 miles away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 07, 2010, 05:07:33 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 07, 2010, 05:07:33 PM
Thing is, I didn't think that was a problem.
It was a problem in Wolverine where he's getting his claws, and we're supposed to think "Oh no, he might die" when we all know he gets claws.
But in Avatar, it kind of feels earned. And in the climax,
It was a problem in Wolverine where he's getting his claws, and we're supposed to think "Oh no, he might die" when we all know he gets claws.
But in Avatar, it kind of feels earned. And in the climax,
Spoiler
I'll admit I wasn't sure that Jake would survive.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2010, 07:07:04 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2010, 07:07:04 PM
He had to survive. See, it's the only way to set up the sequel, appropriately titled Avatars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 07, 2010, 07:09:17 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 07, 2010, 07:09:17 PM
I thought he might have died, and the second movie would be a prequel, or type of a movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 07, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 07, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Hey Mr Cameron now owns the top two biggest money makers at the boxoffice all time world wide
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
QuoteI feel that while the story was familiar, it was told well. It had structure.
So much structure that it was terminally predictable. That's not good writing; it's lazy writing. I never thought Jake would die - especially when they tried that body transfer thing with Grace. A big flag goes up saying "PAY ATTENTION - THIS IS HOW JAKE WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A NA'VI!!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 08, 2010, 12:24:32 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 08, 2010, 12:24:32 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jan 07, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Hey Mr Cameron now owns the top two biggest money makers at the boxoffice all time world wide
Not if you count inflation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2010, 01:37:44 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2010, 01:37:44 AM
well guys, i just got AVATOLD. 8)
the effects, if you just knew was CGI, it was imposible to me to tell it apart.
but the story...and the dialogue... cringle worthy, to be generous. i just didnt liked the whole sacred stuff and rituals. and
pocahontas in space. but really awesome. i cant say i didnt like it, but shit, i felt that the trailer for Toy Story 3 had better Script.
the effects, if you just knew was CGI, it was imposible to me to tell it apart.
but the story...and the dialogue... cringle worthy, to be generous. i just didnt liked the whole sacred stuff and rituals. and
Spoiler
jake only keeps making things worse and worse. dude, there is a difference between friendly and disrespectful. what an ass.
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pocahontas in space. but really awesome. i cant say i didnt like it, but shit, i felt that the trailer for Toy Story 3 had better Script.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Predator-S on Jan 08, 2010, 02:18:42 AM
Post by: Predator-S on Jan 08, 2010, 02:18:42 AM
Just saw it on IMAX 3D while i was high. The most f**king epic thing i have ever seen. Ever. Period.
Mindblowing stuff I felt like I was transported in a totally different world. If felt like I was there not for 3 but 30 hours.
Mindblowing stuff I felt like I was transported in a totally different world. If felt like I was there not for 3 but 30 hours.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 03:15:52 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 03:15:52 AM
QuoteIf felt like I was there not for 3 but 30 hours.
Oddly enough I don't think it dragged that much at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsc60UTUIE
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 04:16:35 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 04:16:35 AM
I don't think the film dragged on...but I was really starting to get annoyed with the weak story towards the film's battle with the alien dragon things and the dropships. I was bored.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 04:20:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 04:20:02 AM
As much as I shitcan the story, I can't say I was ever bored. The visuals kept my interest enough.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 08, 2010, 04:27:39 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 08, 2010, 04:27:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 03:15:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsc60UTUIE
:D That made me laugh!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 06:33:50 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 06:33:50 AM
Quote from: Predator-S on Jan 08, 2010, 02:18:42 AMGiven you were high, that's ... that's really not saying anything.
Just saw it on IMAX 3D while i was high. The most f**king epic thing i have ever seen. Ever. Period.
Mindblowing stuff I felt like I was transported in a totally different world. If felt like I was there not for 3 but 30 hours.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
Coulda been watching the Chipmunks for all we know...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 06:49:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 06:49:30 AM
I was actually a bit disappointed the film didn't have IMAX sequences a la The Dark Knight. Had the battles been filmed with IMAX cameras, they'd have been that much greater. Not saying it was needed, but it would've been nice.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Commander Griker on Jan 08, 2010, 10:43:12 AM
Post by: Commander Griker on Jan 08, 2010, 10:43:12 AM
Great movie saw it in IMax in Real D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Jan 08, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
Post by: Razz on Jan 08, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
I'm really itching to see it again but i doubt i will be able to till the end of this month, at least it'll be quieter and easier to get a seat this time round...i hope.:P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 08, 2010, 12:07:06 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 08, 2010, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 06:49:30 AM
I was actually a bit disappointed the film didn't have IMAX sequences a la The Dark Knight. Had the battles been filmed with IMAX cameras, they'd have been that much greater. Not saying it was needed, but it would've been nice.
That is why I see everything first in regular theatre 2D....if that is not impressive...then IMAX or 3D won't help it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Jan 08, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Jan 08, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
That made absolutely no sense to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/my-brief-time-as-an-avatar-on-pandora
QuoteDay 24: Revolution
The Na'vi people have all gathered around JAKE, who is leading them in a war against the humans, to save this piece of shit movie.
JAKE
The humans want to get rid of us, and use up all of our resources. They are raping our planet.
The Na'vi cheer.
DOB
What? You guys are the rape planet, you rape hello out here.
JAKE
And I say NO MORE. The rape of our planet will not continue.
DOB
You are currently sticking your dick in a tree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2010, 10:38:33 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2010, 10:38:33 PM
just read that. hilarious in so many levels....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 08, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 08, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
You cant rape the willing, and I remember those trees being quite eager to partake. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: zython on Jan 09, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
Post by: zython on Jan 09, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
Imagine Na'vi aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2010, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2010, 09:38:44 PM
Taller regular Aliens. Woo?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2010, 11:00:24 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2010, 11:00:24 PM
Taller regular BLUE Aliens.
Don't forget the blue.
(Dub a dee dub a die)
Don't forget the blue.
(Dub a dee dub a die)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 10, 2010, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 10, 2010, 11:09:00 PM
Well the Warriors had a hint of blue...guess these guys would be the next step.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 11, 2010, 01:12:25 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 11, 2010, 01:12:25 AM
also, with ponytails that can mind-f**k you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 01:17:16 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 01:17:16 AM
Ponytails, plus the standard Alien tail...DP! Wow, Giger would be proud.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 11, 2010, 02:34:24 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 11, 2010, 02:34:24 AM
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Jan 08, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
That made absolutely no sense to me.
I meant that if it isn't a good film in a normal theatre then IMAX or adding 3D won't help it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2010, 02:45:39 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2010, 02:45:39 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi5.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy168%2Fundeadite%2Favatarpocahontis.jpg&hash=fa037ca33a69c6855197b27916660520b2a429f0)
:D :D
:D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vemados on Jan 11, 2010, 03:18:07 AM
Post by: Vemados on Jan 11, 2010, 03:18:07 AM
perfect
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hybrid PM on Jan 11, 2010, 04:06:35 AM
Post by: Hybrid PM on Jan 11, 2010, 04:06:35 AM
I just saw the movie for the first time and really loved it..... Dances with Wolves on steriods. F'in great!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 11, 2010, 04:34:13 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 11, 2010, 04:34:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V7LAsvLCk8
More action than a Bay movie.
More action than a Bay movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2010, 05:31:54 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 11, 2010, 05:31:54 AM
....they left the gun in the theater?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 06:35:51 AM
Post by: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 06:35:51 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F1h5gsl.jpg&hash=cecfa6d8ff44aa9aefa3d453b554e8306ffa6514)
;D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2010, 07:03:46 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2010, 07:03:46 AM
Domestic BO as of this weekend: $429,040,000
GOGOGOGOGOGo
GOGOGOGOGOGo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 11, 2010, 08:10:27 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 11, 2010, 08:10:27 AM
Just got home from seeing it again in IMAX. I watched it more for the technical aspect this time... Still blows me away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 11, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 11, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
This move seems to be splitting opinions quite a bit. I still can't wait to see it though. A mate of mine saw it in 3D and said he was blown away by it. I'll have to stick with the 2D version though unfortunately. Can't see 3D :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 11, 2010, 11:43:28 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 11, 2010, 11:43:28 AM
Saw it in 3D just yesterday at medium stoned level (just for the record). :D
Well, to be honest, I expected a bit more than nice pictures. The story really was very predictable, not one surprising moment was present. I defended this movie a lot, but now I see what SM and SiL meant.
Nonetheless, I'd give it a 8/10.
Well-directed with fantastic visuals? Yes.
Mind-blowing? Not.
Well, to be honest, I expected a bit more than nice pictures. The story really was very predictable, not one surprising moment was present. I defended this movie a lot, but now I see what SM and SiL meant.
Nonetheless, I'd give it a 8/10.
Well-directed with fantastic visuals? Yes.
Mind-blowing? Not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
Question: I'm not totally familiar with the film's production, but is it true that the reason the film's effects are so lauded is because 85% of it is rendered in CG or something?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 11, 2010, 07:36:45 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 11, 2010, 07:36:45 PM
It's one of. Long time reviewers in particular made note of.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
What are the other reasons? There must be more than just "OMFG THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO LOOK AT, IZ REAL".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
Post by: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/writers-guild-of-america-announces-2010-awards-nominees-how-did-avatar-make-the-cut/
america just went full retard
america just went full retard
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
QuoteWhat are the other reasons? There must be more than just "OMFG THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO LOOK AT, IZ REAL".
Ummm....
No, that's pretty much it. The visuals saved it. And Jake and Grace are likeable enough characters. And really it's not a bad plot by any stretch, it's just predictable, cliched and uttely lacking in subtlety.
Quote from: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 06:35:51 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F1h5gsl.jpg&hash=cecfa6d8ff44aa9aefa3d453b554e8306ffa6514)
;D
This however is just over the top hating. If you come out of Avatar and say it's "the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen in my life", then you've clearly only ever seen one film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 11, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 11, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/writers-guild-of-america-announces-2010-awards-nominees-how-did-avatar-make-the-cut/
america just went full retard
What the f**k? Seriously, how could this be nominated for an award for its screenplay?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 12, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 12, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jan 11, 2010, 07:03:46 AM
Domestic BO as of this weekend: $429,040,000
Now that actual totals are in, that number was low:
$50,306,217 this weekend (4 weekends in a row with 50+m)
$430,846,514 domestic
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 12, 2010, 12:09:09 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 12, 2010, 12:09:09 AM
Flipping awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 12, 2010, 12:19:33 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 12, 2010, 12:19:33 AM
Looks like no signs of slowing down and ther is nothing coming out that will take it away from the number one spot for a least 4 weeks
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 12, 2010, 04:28:55 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 12, 2010, 04:28:55 AM
Quote from: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/writers-guild-of-america-announces-2010-awards-nominees-how-did-avatar-make-the-cut/
america just went full retard
And all credibility the WGA had is lost.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 04:30:22 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 04:30:22 AM
No, it still has a faint shred. If Avatar wins, THEN all cred is gone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2010, 04:40:12 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2010, 04:40:12 AM
I agree with swedishSkinJer on Slashfilm, I loved Avatar, and I totally bought the love story between Jake/Neytiri, and maybe it was predictable, but it's no best screenplay of the year. I think D9 should have got the spot for the most original screenplay.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 06:17:07 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 06:17:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 10:23:30 PMQuoteWhat are the other reasons? There must be more than just "OMFG THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO LOOK AT, IZ REAL".
Ummm....
No, that's pretty much it. The visuals saved it. And Jake and Grace are likeable enough characters. And really it's not a bad plot by any stretch, it's just predictable, cliched and uttely lacking in subtlety.
Sad, man. That's a shallow way to look at it, IMO, only because saying it looks real doesn't seem like any big achievement anymore. That was first accomplished back in 1997 with The Lost World (dinosaurs were called actors in some cases, CG was so good).
Quote from: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/writers-guild-of-america-announces-2010-awards-nominees-how-did-avatar-make-the-cut/
america just went full retard
That's f**ked up. Enough said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 12, 2010, 06:36:56 AM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 12, 2010, 06:36:56 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
What are the other reasons? There must be more than just "OMFG THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO LOOK AT, IZ REAL".
No, that's pretty much it. Look at Matrix 2 and 3, JP II and III, and on and on. Better visuals and diminishing everything else. Look at Transformers.
There aren't a lot of sophisticated folks out there, and most of them in this specific demographic have moved on to gaming.
This is pretty much Gears of War in movie form. Hit all the basic bullets points with an airtight engine and leave creativity at the door, because frankly it's uneeded. That's how left brained people roll, and they are legion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 12, 2010, 07:04:01 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 12, 2010, 07:04:01 AM
http://au.movies.yahoo.com/news/article/-/6670472/the-avatar-effect-movie-goers-depressed-at-not-being-able-to-visit/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
The only image that can conceivably communicate my reaction is Stan Marsh holding the bridge of his nose exasperated, but I can't find one.
The Internet has failed me.
The Internet has failed me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 12, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 12, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Sounds like a bunch of 4chan trolls made the news. That's the only place where people seriously consider "lucid dreaming, as a way of visiting Pandora again."
Oh, and I saved the PDF 20th Century Fox made available "for your consideration." It's written by a director for a director; most of the visual themes the film homed in on are mentioned only in shorthand in the shooting script. Merits of the dialogue aside, if this is worthy of best screenplay awards, then we must've had a really bad year in front of the keyboard.
Oh, and I saved the PDF 20th Century Fox made available "for your consideration." It's written by a director for a director; most of the visual themes the film homed in on are mentioned only in shorthand in the shooting script. Merits of the dialogue aside, if this is worthy of best screenplay awards, then we must've had a really bad year in front of the keyboard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 07:17:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 07:17:25 AM
The WGA's guidelines pretty much excluded every decent script written.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 12, 2010, 06:36:56 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 11, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
What are the other reasons? There must be more than just "OMFG THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO LOOK AT, IZ REAL".
No, that's pretty much it. Look at Matrix 2 and 3, JP II and III, and on and on. Better visuals and diminishing everything else. Look at Transformers.
There aren't a lot of sophisticated folks out there, and most of them in this specific demographic have moved on to gaming.
This is pretty much Gears of War in movie form. Hit all the basic bullets points with an airtight engine and leave creativity at the door, because frankly it's uneeded. That's how left brained people roll, and they are legion.
Except I'd bet Gears of War would still be a much better movie. At least the story would be original.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Brother on Jan 12, 2010, 03:47:06 PM
Post by: Brother on Jan 12, 2010, 03:47:06 PM
1.35 bil so far???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
So apparently Avatar is a racist film.
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/749516--is-avatar-weighed-down-by-white-man-s-burden
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/749516--is-avatar-weighed-down-by-white-man-s-burden
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2010, 07:26:17 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 12, 2010, 07:26:17 PM
^People today make me want to faceplam my self.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 12, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 12, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's racist, but the whole "white man saves the natives" angle is questionable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 12, 2010, 08:08:14 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 12, 2010, 08:08:14 PM
But yet "Pocahontas" isn't racist.
People pull the racist card too many times I'm sick of it.
Saw the movie yesterday. Pretty good. Not as good as D9 though.
People pull the racist card too many times I'm sick of it.
Saw the movie yesterday. Pretty good. Not as good as D9 though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Naissus on Jan 12, 2010, 08:24:16 PM
Post by: Naissus on Jan 12, 2010, 08:24:16 PM
People who throw the race card at everything that includes a white person is just stupid. If James Cameron wants the main star to be white that is his right.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 08:33:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 12, 2010, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 12, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's racist, but the whole "white man saves the natives" angle is questionable.
No, it definitely isn't. It's just a movie. If Jake were a Black, people would be saying it empowers Blacks to stand up to imperialism and somehow speaks to Black history.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
I've heard the racist argument - and I'd agree with it to an extent (though don't particularly care either way). But I wouldn't blame Cameron - he simply copied a story that's been done a bunch of times before where the 'natives' are ultimately useless unless they have a 'white' guy who's turned traitor on his own people and leads the 'natives' against them.
Maybe Cameron could've gone a much-longed-for different direction by killing Jake off at some point and then have the Na'vi winning on their own.
Maybe Cameron could've gone a much-longed-for different direction by killing Jake off at some point and then have the Na'vi winning on their own.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:30:50 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:30:50 PM
I hear people say "Why couldn't they have just saved themselves? Why did there have to be a white man to save them?"
Well, because then the plot would be REALLY thin. There would be no 'forbidden love' thing that we would care about. Its only novelty would be the same as Planet 51. And it wouldn't have Avatars.
Well, because then the plot would be REALLY thin. There would be no 'forbidden love' thing that we would care about. Its only novelty would be the same as Planet 51. And it wouldn't have Avatars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
You could still have avatars without Jake saving everybody's ass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
But what would be the point? It would be easy to make it 100% soulless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
QuoteThere would be no 'forbidden love' thing that we would care about.
I didn't particularly care about it as it is, since everyone saw it coming a parsec off. Besides since Cambo is so fond of repetition, he could've done the whole forbidden love thing from Titanic but have Jake from a lower caste of Na'vi or something. There are other ways.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 12, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Would have been harder to empathize.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
To be honest I thought there was infinitely more love between Wall-E and EVE than there was between Jake and Neytiri.
A friggin' tin can and a talking dildo elicited more of an emotional response. I think there could be found other ways of adding "soul" to the movie.
A friggin' tin can and a talking dildo elicited more of an emotional response. I think there could be found other ways of adding "soul" to the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:04:31 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:04:31 AM
QuoteTo be honest I thought there was infinitely more love between Wall-E and EVE than there was between Jake and Neytiri.
Agreed.
QuoteWould have been harder to empathize.
Why? Na'vi are essentially human apart from their size, pigment and tails.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
And if I can want to see a tin can with binoculars for eyes and a clean white whatever-the-f**k get together and live happily ever after, a decent writer can make me care for two freakishly tall humanoid smurfycats.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 12:11:42 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 12:11:42 AM
Finally saw this today, and whilst I can't add anything really new or interesting to the discussion, I will say that Colonel Quaritch reminded me of General Mandible from Antz (anyone remember that?). Their character arcs were virtually identical, and they had the same mannerisms.
On the note of Quaritch,
On the note of Quaritch,
Spoiler
was anyone else expecting a "Boss Energy Bar" to appear at the start of the final confrontation with his mech-suit? It just suddenly turned so videogamey!
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:16:08 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:16:08 AM
:D
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2Ffunny-pictures-cat-and-dog-battle.jpg&hash=05cca815bf970f02e6f42975c325dcd1ae857d86)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 12:19:42 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 12:19:42 AM
Funnily enough, I did picture something like that in my mind at one point during the fight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 12:45:22 AM
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 12:45:22 AM
I wonder if I should see it a third time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:55:50 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 12:55:50 AM
Are you asking us?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 01:22:49 AM
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 01:22:49 AM
I don't know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 13, 2010, 01:26:18 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 13, 2010, 01:26:18 AM
gogogogogogogo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Post by: Skinner on Jan 13, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Alright I guess I'll go again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hybrid PM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
Post by: Hybrid PM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
That was a great fight at the end!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:31:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:31:02 AM
And, ironically, the only bit of subtlety in the whole flick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2010, 01:38:26 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2010, 01:38:26 AM
What subtelty?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
For all of Quaritch's criticism of the Avatar program - that mech thing was his own personal avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2010, 01:48:22 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2010, 01:48:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
To be honest I thought there was infinitely more love between Wall-E and EVE than there was between Jake and Neytiri.
I always thought they did a great job in Wall-E too between the characters. I found to be just as emotionally involved in all that was going on on Pandora, especially with Neytiri's strong performance. Both Wall-E and Neytiri brought so much emotion in one prevalent common factor; their large eyes. I think a lot could have been done with less dialog between Neytiri and Jake due to such much noticeable emotional response in Neytiri's face, starting with her large eyes and expressive ears kind of like what was done so well in Wall-E. Nevertheless, I found there to be plenty to connect with between Neytiri and Jake.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2010, 02:00:44 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2010, 02:00:44 AM
I didn't feel any emotional connection to the characters. I was too busy wondering when something new and exciting (original) would happen. Guess I was stupid.
Interesting take. Never thought of it that way.
Quote from: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
For all of Quaritch's criticism of the Avatar program - that mech thing was his own personal avatar.
Interesting take. Never thought of it that way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2010, 02:23:57 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 13, 2010, 02:23:57 AM
Yeah there were definitely no M. Night Shamalamalamalma twists or anything ;) (thank God). Kidding aside, I am rarely surprised by much of anything in movies these days except horror movies that make me jump. I was at least surprised by the immersive-ness of the planet Pandora, and all the atmosphere surrounding it. It has little to do with the story, but more just the very talented art team, vision, and execution... about exactly what I look forward to in Cameron movies. Never the most innovative stories, but the man can suck you into his worlds so well in a number of ways. I personally found Avatar no different.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 13, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
Ooh! Was it my imagination, or did Cameron steal Bill Pullman's "Independence Day" speech for Scully to use?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 02:51:19 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 02:51:19 AM
It was ID4 enough for the First Lady to whisper to me "Today we celebrate out Independence Day".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 13, 2010, 03:20:32 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 13, 2010, 03:20:32 AM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/118600/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-best-fking-news-team-ever-tiger-woods-faith
4:38 (but watch it all anyway for context)
4:38 (but watch it all anyway for context)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
f**kin wank Hulu only in the US bullshit... *whinge moan* >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 13, 2010, 05:06:59 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 13, 2010, 05:06:59 AM
Quote from: Huol on Jan 11, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/writers-guild-of-america-announces-2010-awards-nominees-how-did-avatar-make-the-cut/
Case Closed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrLee on Jan 13, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
Post by: MrLee on Jan 13, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
I actually quite enjoyed the film. But this is coming from a guy that only had bad expectations from that movie itself.
Its still not on par with Camerons earlier movies though.
Its still not on par with Camerons earlier movies though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 04:51:53 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 04:51:53 PM
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/uk_national_entertainment/4847522.Vatican__Avatar_promotes_pantheism/
Although this is actually funny, I wish those 2000 year old failures would finally STFU.
Consider me officially a pantheist now. :D
Although this is actually funny, I wish those 2000 year old failures would finally STFU.
Consider me officially a pantheist now. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 13, 2010, 05:27:24 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 13, 2010, 05:27:24 PM
QuoteThey call the film a simplistic and sappy tale, despite its awe-inspiring special effects.
This I agree with though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 05:45:15 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 05:45:15 PM
Yes, that is true.
But seriously - since when does the Vatican give a f**k about sci-fi movies?
What I mean is - boy, they must feel really threatened and insecure if they're concerned about a goddamn movie "converting" people to pantheism. :D
But seriously - since when does the Vatican give a f**k about sci-fi movies?
What I mean is - boy, they must feel really threatened and insecure if they're concerned about a goddamn movie "converting" people to pantheism. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2010, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 13, 2010, 06:13:13 PM
Well the Vatican now acknowledges the possible existence of aliens (because apparently they too could have been created by God) so I'm sure they are keeping a closer eye on scifi films than before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
QuoteVatican now acknowledges the possible existence of aliens
Yeah, it always takes them 500 years more than other people to realize and acknowledge certain things. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Eh? Plenty of people don't believe in aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
Possible existence of extraterrestrial life, not UFOs and LGM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Jan 14, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
Post by: Moody on Jan 14, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
I saw it the other day in 3D, It' was pretty good, pretty neat.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 16, 2010, 08:18:29 AM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 16, 2010, 08:18:29 AM
to many pages to search if anybody has already said this, so i'll go ahead and say it here anyways.
did anybody notice the small cameo of the chick who plays ferro in aliens?
she is one of the chicks working on the hologram image computers.
i kinda flipped out when i saw her.
did anybody notice the small cameo of the chick who plays ferro in aliens?
she is one of the chicks working on the hologram image computers.
i kinda flipped out when i saw her.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 16, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 16, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
Really? Can anyone confirm that because IMDB doesn't have her listed. Of course if she was a day player she wouldn't necessarily be listed but still, that's awesome!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Jan 16, 2010, 09:40:23 AM
Post by: Vanski on Jan 16, 2010, 09:40:23 AM
This should've been in the movie ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 16, 2010, 12:55:34 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 16, 2010, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Vanski on Jan 16, 2010, 09:40:23 AMThat scarred by mind. Good Job! ;D
This should've been in the movie ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Jan 16, 2010, 01:04:09 PM
Post by: Vanski on Jan 16, 2010, 01:04:09 PM
It's the Neytiri's voice that disturbs me the most, yet, it's to hilarious :D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 16, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 16, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
inb4 Someone flags that video. :o
Something about Neytiri making a catface makes me chuckle.
Something about Neytiri making a catface makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 16, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 16, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
Pretty hilarious! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 17, 2010, 05:56:03 AM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 17, 2010, 05:56:03 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Jan 16, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
Really? Can anyone confirm that because IMDB doesn't have her listed. Of course if she was a day player she wouldn't necessarily be listed but still, that's awesome!
i can find a screenshot of the movie, just give me some time to dig around the interwebs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 18, 2010, 03:13:47 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 18, 2010, 03:13:47 AM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16460&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 03:17:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 03:17:30 AM
Good for him. The film still needed improvement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
JC just won the golden globe for directing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 03:40:32 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 03:40:32 AM
Well deserved.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:45:55 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:45:55 AM
I thought "Best Directing" meant getting great performances out of your actors. Oh, what do I know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:48:12 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:48:12 AM
Name any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision.
More than deserved, even if you didn't like the movie.
Now if it had/will win best movie, then I could understand why people would be iffy.
More than deserved, even if you didn't like the movie.
Now if it had/will win best movie, then I could understand why people would be iffy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:50:35 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:50:35 AM
nb4 the flame wur
:P
:P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:52:05 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:52:05 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:50:35 AM
nb4 the flame wur
:P
More like, gallons and gallons of asspain and butthurt.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:52:59 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 03:52:59 AM
But that's one aspect of it.
How long you take to make your movie doesn't mean your directing was the best.
How long you take to make your movie doesn't mean your directing was the best.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:57:07 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:57:07 AM
LOL GOLDEN GLOBES
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 03:58:56 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 03:58:56 AM
QuoteName any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision.
George Lucas.
I've never quite understood how one judges a director. It's not like the people voting were on set to judge how Cameron directs, because from all reports he's a right c**t (or at least he used to be).
I guess if a film comes out good, and the director was largely responsible for it coming out good (which it did by most accounts) - he's good director. Not seeing any of the other nominees, and also with Avatar's major issues being the script - I can't really argue with him getting best director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:59:46 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 03:59:46 AM
I forgot to put nominated, sorry SM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 18, 2010, 04:07:20 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 18, 2010, 04:07:20 AM
AVATAR FTW!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 04:13:59 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 04:13:59 AM
I think it deserved it, I really enjoyed the movie but also definitely see where/why some may not be a fan of the script. I'm a sci-fi fanatic though, so I'd be hard pressed to suggest anything else for the awards it won. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:16:57 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:16:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 03:58:56 AMQuoteName any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision.
George Lucas.
Celtic, you should have probably added, "Name any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision and whose one hell of a writer, producer, artist, and generally one of the best directors ever."
I have seen few directors who can write films like he does. I have seen few directors who can direct action like he does. I have seen few directors who can put a cast together like he does. Now I know what you guys are saying, "Oh, Earthhive is such a fanboy...he must be in love with James Cameron." I don't like everything Cameron does...I hated True Lies....I couldn't stand how he wrote John Connor in T2. But holy shit, the dude wrote Aliens! Did you see the action in that film...the cast he put together? Did you notice the great writing in that film? Who else could have done that? He does that in every film! Everyone!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 04:22:18 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 04:22:18 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:16:57 AM
Celtic, you should have probably added, "Name any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision and whose one hell of awriter, producer, artist, and generally one of the best directors ever."
Fixed.
His writing is his weakest aspect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 04:33:28 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 04:33:28 AM
QuoteCeltic, you should have probably added, "Name any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision and whose one hell of a writer, producer, artist, and generally one of the best directors ever."
Why would that have made any difference?
QuoteDid you notice the great writing in that film?
You mean how he copied the major beats from Alien, but hid most of them really well? Which he failed to do utterly on Avatar.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Froflrazzi.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2Fcelebrity-pictures-pocahantas-plot-avatar.jpg&hash=4e4b5458b75fcc4a490c753feed376e38493b807)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
Yellow Alien, at least we agree on most of those points.
Those qualities (writing your own stuff, developing the technology for your films, and producing your own films at a high level) is what wins Golden Globes and Oscars.
Aliens was a different film, that is one of the reasons it gets its high marks. Also, once again you fail to understand the difference between plot and script, by displaying that picture...everyone knows he copied that plot...however his Avatar was better written...you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Quote
Why would that have made any difference?
Those qualities (writing your own stuff, developing the technology for your films, and producing your own films at a high level) is what wins Golden Globes and Oscars.
Quote
You mean how he copied the major beats from Alien, but hid most of them really well? Which he failed to do utterly on Avatar.
http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/celebrity-pictures-pocahantas-plot-avatar.jpg
Aliens was a different film, that is one of the reasons it gets its high marks. Also, once again you fail to understand the difference between plot and script, by displaying that picture...everyone knows he copied that plot...however his Avatar was better written...you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:04:55 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:04:55 AM
QuoteAlso, once again you fail to understand the difference between plot and script, by displaying that picture...everyone knows he copied that plot...however his Avatar was better written...
If he's essentially copied the plot of Pocahontas (along with a bunch of other flicks) how exactly is his flick 'better written'? There was an appalling exposition scene with Ribisi and Siggy early in the piece, that may as well have had "PAY ATTENTION" in big neon letters and hairy dogs balls. Then later you have Michelle Rodriguez refusing to follow orders - and being allowed access to prisoners? Add to that characters that are ironically much less than 3 dimensional.
Also a "script" is the roadmap that allows the "plot" to play out to it's (predictable) conclusion. The plot is "imperialist oppressor infiltrates native population realises everything he thought was wrong and joins the natives against his oppressive former buddies". The script fleshes out the plot. Please explain how I'm failing to understand the difference.
Granted we have the 'avatar' concept which is new in film terms but isn't an original idea by any stretch. What exactly recommends this movie beyond the visual?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
Also, don't think it was mentioned, but it won Best Motion Picture - Drama as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:11:18 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:11:18 AM
Again - not seen any of the others so can't judge. Everything I've seen about Up In The Air looks really dull, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:17:15 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:17:15 AM
Hurt Locker looks decent, but I too have yet to see the other nominees' offerings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:18:11 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:18:11 AM
That did look kind of interesting. Read an article earlier about how well Cambo and Bigelow get on what with them being ex's.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:23:37 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:23:37 AM
Cameron said she deserved the award during his speech, heh. I saw D9 was only nominated once, didn't win anything. Too bad, I dug it. However the most shocking is how Transformers 2 got no nominations WTF HE WUZ RITE BELOW THE ENEMY TESTICLES. Did have good sound efx though...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 18, 2010, 05:45:10 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 18, 2010, 05:45:10 AM
Hurt Locker is decent if you have no military experience or do not know anybody with military experience.
Otherwise they will tell you how full of shit it is.
That said, I enjoyed it for an action flick but once people start pointing out the liberties it took with military policy, it loses its sex appeal because it only WORKS with those fallacies.
EOD guys dont go to sniper school, thats a grunt thing. Nor do they roll outside the wire alone. They respond to threats. When threats happen they roll with a convoy. Stuff like that.
Otherwise they will tell you how full of shit it is.
That said, I enjoyed it for an action flick but once people start pointing out the liberties it took with military policy, it loses its sex appeal because it only WORKS with those fallacies.
EOD guys dont go to sniper school, thats a grunt thing. Nor do they roll outside the wire alone. They respond to threats. When threats happen they roll with a convoy. Stuff like that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 06:01:50 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 06:01:50 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
Also, don't think it was mentioned, but it won Best Motion Picture - Drama as well.
Drama? Wtf? It was sci-fi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
It's not a musical or comedy (at least intentionally) - ergo it's a drama. Most science fiction flicks are when it comes to the GGs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 18, 2010, 06:32:02 AM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 18, 2010, 06:32:02 AM
No way in hell or any other way, shape, or form does this film compare to The Hurt Locker.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 06:35:53 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 06:35:53 AM
Or Inglourious. Didn't see the others though, so I don't know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 18, 2010, 07:08:12 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 18, 2010, 07:08:12 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 04:22:18 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Jan 18, 2010, 04:16:57 AM
Celtic, you should have probably added, "Name any director that spent more time developing technology like Cameron did to realize his vision and whose one hell of awriter, producer, artist, and generally one of the best directors ever."
Fixed.
His writing is his weakest aspect.
He can still wirte better then Bay or Roland can do in a million years.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:18:34 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:18:34 AM
Doesn't mean he is a good writer, just more competent than some others.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:22:32 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
It's not a musical or comedy (at least intentionally) - ergo it's a drama. Most science fiction flicks are when it comes to the GGs.
If that's the case, D9 should have been nominated and won. It's by far, a much superior flick to Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 05:25:10 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 05:25:10 PM
In your opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
No, it actually is. It's better written, it's original, it's subtle in its references, and has more convincing acting. Oh, and there's more emotion in it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Jan 18, 2010, 06:03:37 PM
Post by: Moody on Jan 18, 2010, 06:03:37 PM
District 9 i very overrated to be honost, I didn't think it was something special, yes it was better then the avarage movie but nothing that really blew my mind, Avatar did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 18, 2010, 05:45:10 AM
EOD guys dont go to sniper school, thats a grunt thing.
Actually, they are trained with the Barret because of it's anti material properties. At least that was my understanding from a co-worker.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:38 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:29:40 PMAs I said, matter of opinion. I personally thought that Avatar was superior. But to each his own.
No, it actually is. It's better written, it's original, it's subtle in its references, and has more convincing acting. Oh, and there's more emotion in it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:11:48 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:11:48 PM
I found them both wonderful in different ways. However, as much as I loved D9, it's not a movie I really wanted to revisit for a second or third viewing. Awesome movie nonetheless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Jan 18, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 18, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
I was a little worried when I bought D9 on DVD because I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much on a second viewing, but it holds up really well IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
I'd be worried too being only standard def... :P n3eedz moar 108o peez!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: severen76 on Jan 18, 2010, 07:42:17 PM
Post by: severen76 on Jan 18, 2010, 07:42:17 PM
I don't even have a flat screen TV in my room. Kickin' it old school!
Not sure how much of a difference Blu Ray would be. I mean it was shot to look all grubby and hand-held like a real news feed.
...still wouldn't mind getting a nice big Samsung TV and a PS3 for Blu Ray though. :P
Not sure how much of a difference Blu Ray would be. I mean it was shot to look all grubby and hand-held like a real news feed.
...still wouldn't mind getting a nice big Samsung TV and a PS3 for Blu Ray though. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 07:43:48 PM
Actually, D9 is one of the more amazing looking films on bluray. The detail of the prawns only comes out even more. Avatar will look amazing too. Can't wait for that shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
I was hoping the initial release of Avatar Blu-Ray would be 3D (not the shit red/blue anaglyph, but shutter glasses kind), but Cameron said the first release will probably be 2D as they wait for more consumers to jump onto the 3D home theater bandwagon.
I'm already ready though. :) Well semi-ready. I can do 3D on my CRT w/ nivida 3D Vision for PC games, but a ton of 3D projectors are hitting the market for under $700 and the PS3 is getting a firmware upgrade to be able to display 3D movies and games this summer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumhTemxHJ8&feature=player_embedded
I already have my pull-down screen mounted, just waiting for the right projector. :)
I'm already ready though. :) Well semi-ready. I can do 3D on my CRT w/ nivida 3D Vision for PC games, but a ton of 3D projectors are hitting the market for under $700 and the PS3 is getting a firmware upgrade to be able to display 3D movies and games this summer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumhTemxHJ8&feature=player_embedded
I already have my pull-down screen mounted, just waiting for the right projector. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Eh, don't care for 3D. Looks fine 2D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 19, 2010, 12:30:02 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 19, 2010, 12:30:02 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:11 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Jan 18, 2010, 05:45:10 AM
EOD guys dont go to sniper school, thats a grunt thing.
Actually, they are trained with the Barret because of it's anti material properties. At least that was my understanding from a co-worker.
I believe antimaterial in warspeak is vehicular in nature.
It can be used for anything I suppose though. The guy that wrote Jarhead was told not to use the .50 cal on humans, so instead he was taught to aim for their belt buttons.
Even IF you used it for bombs, thats quite a bit different than positioning yourself during a live sniper firefight with moving targets at massive distances, shooting back at you. You'd still need sniper school. The barret is also notoriously pisspoor at distance.
Both could've possibly done something of the kind if they were in the Regiment, which the movie implied but didn't specify. Since people call Ranger tabbed people Rangers. When really they just graduated Ranger school and should be known as Ranger Qualified. Serving in the Ranger Regiment is what makes you a Ranger. Not earning the tab. Earning the tab just ensures that your badass enough to be a noncom/officer in the regiment. Its just a leadership school, most people that earn it go back to their previous units.
Also doesnt explain why they were alone. They'd have a qrf convoy rolling out with them since they'd be responding to threats. They wouldn't have to worry about snipers in real life because the Infantry/Cavalry/MP guys they were with would nuke the shooters.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it. But its like 90% of the movies involving the military. War is often described as 98% boredom, and 2%pure terror, and the movies want to just give you the 2%.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 19, 2010, 12:58:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 19, 2010, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 18, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Eh, don't care for 3D. Looks fine 2D.
Sure it does! Heck, I make a living working only in 2D space. However I wouldn't want to see in 2D for the rest of my life. 2D is fine, but 3D is better. ;) ETS GoTZ uh hOle 'nuthur diEmentionz!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Jan 19, 2010, 01:24:13 AM
Post by: Spaghetti on Jan 19, 2010, 01:24:13 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:38 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:29:40 PMAs I said, matter of opinion. I personally thought that Avatar was superior. But to each his own.
No, it actually is. It's better written, it's original, it's subtle in its references, and has more convincing acting. Oh, and there's more emotion in it.
As far as story originality goes, D9 is superior. I don't see how this can be argued.
But as far as opinons go,
Prawns>smurf thundercats any day of the motherf**king week
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 19, 2010, 01:32:12 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 19, 2010, 01:32:12 AM
I still don't see why people still making a big deal out of the story? Look like at Lion King, and the story is was almost the same as Kimba the White Lion. And look on how that turn out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 01:34:10 AM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 01:34:10 AM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jan 19, 2010, 01:24:13 AMQuote from: Alienseseses on Jan 18, 2010, 06:24:38 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2010, 05:29:40 PMAs I said, matter of opinion. I personally thought that Avatar was superior. But to each his own.
No, it actually is. It's better written, it's original, it's subtle in its references, and has more convincing acting. Oh, and there's more emotion in it.
As far as story originality goes, D9 is superior. I don't see how this can be argued.
But as far as opinons go,
Prawns>smurf thundercats any day of the motherf**king week
why the hell do people keep saying that they are smurfy cats?
smurfs are SMALL. tiny little dude.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 01:37:13 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 01:37:13 AM
Because they are blue (smurfs) and cats.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
I was hoping the initial release of Avatar Blu-Ray would be 3D (not the shit red/blue anaglyph, but shutter glasses kind), but Cameron said the first release will probably be 2D as they wait for more consumers to jump onto the 3D home theater bandwagon.
I'm already ready though. :) Well semi-ready. I can do 3D on my CRT w/ nivida 3D Vision for PC games, but a ton of 3D projectors are hitting the market for under $700 and the PS3 is getting a firmware upgrade to be able to display 3D movies and games this summer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumhTemxHJ8&feature=player_embedded
I already have my pull-down screen mounted, just waiting for the right projector. :)
You make the Japanese very happy. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 19, 2010, 01:43:59 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 19, 2010, 01:43:59 AM
Quotewhy the hell do people keep saying that they are smurfy cats?
For the sake of Cameron-bashing.
Quite a popular thing to do on this forum, I dare say.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 19, 2010, 01:48:29 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 19, 2010, 01:48:29 AM
After all, if its blue, it MUST be a smurf.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 01:50:27 AM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 01:50:27 AM
but smurfs are freaking small.
na'vi are giants man!
so just because something is blue, we gotta call it a smurf? wow.
na'vi are giants man!
so just because something is blue, we gotta call it a smurf? wow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 01:53:26 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 01:53:26 AM
Because smurfy cat sounds so cuuuuuuute.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
And those who worship at the Church of James Cameron's Eternal Erection (TM) have no sense of humour.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 19, 2010, 02:24:13 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 19, 2010, 02:24:13 AM
Dare I ask what you take at communion?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 02:32:50 AM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 02:32:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
And those who worship at the Church of James Cameron's Eternal Erection (TM) have no sense of humour.
i dont worship the guy, i do think he is a good directer.
but calling every living blue thing a smurf? really? not really funny, kinda lame tbh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Spaghetti on Jan 19, 2010, 02:47:49 AM
Post by: Spaghetti on Jan 19, 2010, 02:47:49 AM
Quote from: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 02:32:50 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
And those who worship at the Church of James Cameron's Eternal Erection (TM) have no sense of humour.
i dont worship the guy, i do think he is a good directer.
but calling every living blue thing a smurf? really? not really funny, kinda lame tbh.
"every living blue thing"? whatchu talkin' bout? I've only ever heard it used for Avatar. And its used because obviously allot of people see a resemblance.
oh and im sorry, glittery smurf thundercats.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 19, 2010, 02:53:03 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 19, 2010, 02:53:03 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 19, 2010, 02:24:13 AM
Dare I ask what you take at communion?
You don't want to know. I'm still trying to get the taste out of my mouth from Sunday.
About the smurphy-cats thing:
Going by the same logic that that name came from, you might as well just call them blue whales or the Blue Man Group. Actually, I kinda like that second one. I think I'll call them that from now on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 03:08:16 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 03:08:16 AM
BMG were bald. Na'vi had hair. nuff said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 19, 2010, 03:10:40 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 19, 2010, 03:10:40 AM
Smurphs are also about 4 inches tall, with big round noses, and weird little hats. Nuff said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 19, 2010, 03:11:37 AM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 19, 2010, 03:11:37 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 19, 2010, 01:40:13 AMQuote from: Cellien on Jan 18, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
I was hoping the initial release of Avatar Blu-Ray would be 3D (not the shit red/blue anaglyph, but shutter glasses kind), but Cameron said the first release will probably be 2D as they wait for more consumers to jump onto the 3D home theater bandwagon.
I'm already ready though. :) Well semi-ready. I can do 3D on my CRT w/ nivida 3D Vision for PC games, but a ton of 3D projectors are hitting the market for under $700 and the PS3 is getting a firmware upgrade to be able to display 3D movies and games this summer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumhTemxHJ8&feature=player_embedded
I already have my pull-down screen mounted, just waiting for the right projector. :)
You make the Japanese very happy. ;)
'Cause I buy lots of electronics? Probably, although the only thing I own that is Japanese is my PS3. My 2 main LCD TVs are an American brand (Olevia), CRT is also (Dell), 360 too (MS), nVidia GPU and 3D Vision are U.S. as well! My two LCD computer monitors are Korean and Chinese (Samsung, Acer). I'd say I make the Chinese very happy since they manufacture all the damn things! :D However, the projector I am using from work is Japanese (Optoma).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 19, 2010, 04:41:18 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 19, 2010, 04:41:18 AM
We could call them greater Manhattens.
Though they possess less wang it would seem.
Though they possess less wang it would seem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 19, 2010, 05:59:22 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 19, 2010, 05:59:22 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2811820/Boom-in-Avatar-names-for-kiddies.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 07:07:12 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 07:07:12 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 19, 2010, 07:08:34 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 19, 2010, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 19, 2010, 05:59:22 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2811820/Boom-in-Avatar-names-for-kiddies.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News
That's it. Whenever I end up having a daughter, I'll call her Eywa. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 19, 2010, 10:17:21 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 19, 2010, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
And those who worship at the Church of James Cameron's Eternal Erection (TM) have no sense of humour.
As if calling Na'Vi smurfs was soooo funny. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 19, 2010, 11:14:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 19, 2010, 11:14:53 AM
I call them smurfycats because that's what Chester A. Bum called them, and I liked the phrase.
f**ked if I'm gonna say "Na'vi" out loud.
f**ked if I'm gonna say "Na'vi" out loud.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Master on Jan 19, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 19, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
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I really like it, but that`s about it ;D
I really like it, but that`s about it ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
Post by: lunchboxx on Jan 19, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2010, 11:14:53 AM
I call them smurfycats because that's what Chester A. Bum called them, and I liked the phrase.
f**ked if I'm gonna say "Na'vi" out loud.
actually, chester a bum put it better than most. i guess its because i like his character.
CHANGE!?!!?!? YA GOT CHANGE!?!?!? AW COM'ON HELP A GUY OUT WILL YA, COM'ON CHANGE!!
glad to see another TGWTG user :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The_Silencer on Jan 19, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Post by: The_Silencer on Jan 19, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
TGWTG?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 10:43:58 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2010, 10:43:58 PM
That Guy With The Glasses.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 20, 2010, 03:17:17 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 20, 2010, 03:17:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2010, 05:04:55 AM
If he's essentially copied the plot of Pocahontas (along with a bunch of other flicks) how exactly is his flick 'better written'? There was an appalling exposition scene with Ribisi and Siggy early in the piece, that may as well have had "PAY ATTENTION" in big neon letters and hairy dogs balls. Then later you have Michelle Rodriguez refusing to follow orders - and being allowed access to prisoners? Add to that characters that are ironically much less than 3 dimensional.
The dialogue was great (the bad guy's speech at the beginning about Pandora, Jake and his blue girlfriend's exchange before they played humpty hump, etc), the way the action was written was great. You would have to watch the movie to understand. There were like 50 million helicopters attacking that tree....did the bad guy watch what everyone was doing....
Quote
Also a "script" is the roadmap that allows the "plot" to play out to it's (predictable) conclusion. The plot is "imperialist oppressor infiltrates native population realises everything he thought was wrong and joins the natives against his oppressive former buddies". The script fleshes out the plot. Please explain how I'm failing to understand the difference.
You have a plot. Lets say about a dog who crosses the street. Two people can write scripts about the dog crossing the street...but one have better written action and dialgoue then the other. That is what you don't understand...Cameron copied Pocahontas but had a better script.
Quote
Granted we have the 'avatar' concept which is new in film terms but isn't an original idea by any stretch. What exactly recommends this movie beyond the visual?
The dialogue and action....ie better script.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 20, 2010, 03:21:34 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 20, 2010, 03:21:34 AM
the dialogue was cheesy at best, if i wasnt wearing the glasses i would have been facepalming. 8)
and TGWTG had the right idea, but it felt like bashing, wich doesnt feel right speaking of a movie that was meant to be brainless propaganda and effect extravaganza. ::)
and TGWTG had the right idea, but it felt like bashing, wich doesnt feel right speaking of a movie that was meant to be brainless propaganda and effect extravaganza. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 04:32:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 04:32:47 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 20, 2010, 03:21:34 AMI face-palmed anyway.
the dialogue was cheesy at best, if i wasnt wearing the glasses i would have been facepalming. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Jan 20, 2010, 03:17:17 AM
The dialogue was great
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16489&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 20, 2010, 04:30:46 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jan 20, 2010, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16489&count=0
The awesomeness was too much for this man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16489&count=0
Uh huh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Jan 20, 2010, 10:02:00 PM
Post by: Skinner on Jan 20, 2010, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AMI wonder how James Cameron feels about this.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16489&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
I bet he's proud. Probably had an erection reading that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 20, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 20, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
The strength of which split the table he was sitting at in half, no doubt.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:16:57 PM
Can't judge him.
I'm sure I would be proud, too.
Just imagine your movie actually kills someone. Pure epic win.
I'm sure I would be proud, too.
Just imagine your movie actually kills someone. Pure epic win.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Skinner on Jan 20, 2010, 10:02:00 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftimenepal.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F07%2Fjames_cameron2.jpg&hash=f6e525a4602effe1fb5590446278dce92bc766cc)Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 20, 2010, 11:39:05 AMI wonder how James Cameron feels about this.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16489&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 10:29:18 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 10:29:18 PM
There are so many "maybes" to this it isn't funny.
Good publicity, though.
Good publicity, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:32:28 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 20, 2010, 10:32:28 PM
Quoteit isn't funny.
Yes it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 10:38:02 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 10:38:02 PM
QuoteYou would have to watch the movie to understand.
Silly me! Whatever was a I thinking when I was actually watching the movie?
QuoteThere were like 50 million helicopters attacking that tree....did the bad guy watch what everyone was doing....
Yet that gunner dude wouldn't have reported her?
QuoteThat is what you don't understand...Cameron copied Pocahontas but had a better script.
:D
You've managed to prove you liked the script for Avatar more than Pocahontas, and nothing more. If you're satisfied that the script was predictable then I'm happy for you. He had a more predictable film with Titanic - we knew the ship would sink and that Kate Winslet would survive - yet managed to make it at least tense in parts.
QuoteThe dialogue and action....ie better script.
Obviously it was so engaging and memorable that you keep referring to Quaritch as "the bad guy"...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
I did not know that dude had a name until I read up on the movie afterwards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 20, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 20, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
Seconded. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
QuoteI did not know that dude had a name until I read up on the movie afterwards.
Did it actually say "Quaritch" or "Bad guy with less depth than that Billy Zane dude in Titanic"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 20, 2010, 11:00:34 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 20, 2010, 11:00:34 PM
I actually liked Quaritch. Yeah he was shallow as all get out, but who expects a mercenary to be deep? Its like trying to explain Burke's character.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:01:36 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 10:55:02 PMHe was saved from that comment by Parker.
Did it actually say "Quaritch" or "Bad guy with less depth than that Billy Zane dude in Titanic"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:05:13 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:05:13 PM
QuoteI actually liked Quaritch. Yeah he was shallow as all get out, but who expects a mercenary to be deep? Its like trying to explain Burke's character.
Yeah but at least they had Burke siding with Ripley against Gorman, which would at least make people think again - rather than forming an opinion about a character in the first minute and then never having that opinion challenged.
QuoteHe was saved from that comment by Parker.
I dunno. You could see him at least thinking "Maybe this isn't such a good idea" at one point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:11:45 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:11:45 PM
What single frame?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:14:07 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:14:07 PM
Don't make me watch it again. :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
Speaking of Quaritch, did you guys also feel his scenes of him supposedly showing remorse on his face were wasted? I kept thinking, everytime I saw it, that he would come around and say "You know what, this is all a bad idea, let's just stop" or something to that effect. At least it would have been different.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:40:10 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2010, 11:40:10 PM
He showed remorse?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
Yeah, Doomz might be confusing Quaritch with Selfridge.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 20, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
Yeah. The "bad guy" was bad from start to finish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 20, 2010, 11:55:36 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 20, 2010, 11:55:36 PM
I always like that he would just bolt outside without a breather. I imagined him just yelling:
"I don't care if I can't f**king breathe, I'm still gonna shoot some motherf**kers!"
"I don't care if I can't f**king breathe, I'm still gonna shoot some motherf**kers!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 21, 2010, 12:01:20 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 21, 2010, 12:01:20 AM
Parker has many shots of remorse. When he hears that the tree will be destroyed, he's upset and needs to hear that it'll be 'humane'. Then every other shot of him is him looking sad.
In fact, :49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61kMpOgkZRs
B roll, a scene we will see on DVD but didn't see in theaters. I wish it was left in, truth be told.
"I can have your ass in ONE PHONE CALL!"
In fact, :49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61kMpOgkZRs
B roll, a scene we will see on DVD but didn't see in theaters. I wish it was left in, truth be told.
"I can have your ass in ONE PHONE CALL!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:19:20 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 11:42:08 PMWho the heck was Selfridge?
Yeah, Doomz might be confusing Quaritch with Selfridge.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:21:49 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:21:49 AM
Ribisi. Parker Selfridge. Oh Jimmy, you so zany.
Problem is it reinforces the ridiculousness of Michelle Rodriguez being allowed access to the prisoners - cos Quaritch's nameless toady who's in the above scene would've given her up.
Unless, there's more to her story as well.
QuoteIn fact, :49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61kMpOgkZRs
B roll, a scene we will see on DVD but didn't see in theaters. I wish it was left in, truth be told.
"I can have your ass in ONE PHONE CALL!"
Problem is it reinforces the ridiculousness of Michelle Rodriguez being allowed access to the prisoners - cos Quaritch's nameless toady who's in the above scene would've given her up.
Unless, there's more to her story as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:24:05 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:21:49 AMYou must be shitting me.
Ribisi. Parker Selfridge. Oh Jimmy, you so zany.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
I shit you not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:34:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2010, 12:34:47 AM
Shitting heck, that's shitty writing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:35:49 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 12:35:49 AM
Shit yeah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 12:43:58 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 20, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
Yeah, Doomz might be confusing Quaritch with Selfridge.
Ya, that's it. Awesome script indeed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 21, 2010, 03:46:15 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 21, 2010, 03:46:15 AM
Quote
Yet that gunner dude wouldn't have reported her?
He wasn't a rat. This probably wasn't their first mission together.
Quote
:D
You've managed to prove you liked the script for Avatar more than Pocahontas, and nothing more. If you're satisfied that the script was predictable then I'm happy for you. He had a more predictable film with Titanic - we knew the ship would sink and that Kate Winslet would survive - yet managed to make it at least tense in parts.
What he did with Titantic he is doing here...otherwise it wouldn't have the staying power. A predicatble plot yes...but the dialogue and action are far from it.
Quote
Obviously it was so engaging and memorable that you keep referring to Quaritch as "the bad guy"...
Most of the people on this board just revealed that they didn't know the guy's name. I didn't bother looking it up.
In short a successful movie (ie a great script) has staying power...this does...so it is not all about special effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
QuoteHe wasn't a rat. This probably wasn't their first mission together.
It's still a plot hole.
QuoteWhat he did with Titantic he is doing here...otherwise it wouldn't have the staying power. A predicatble plot yes...but the dialogue and action are far from it.
The only piece of action that wasn't predictable was Cameron cutting away from Jake taming that big pterodactyl thing. The whole exposition about the skull in the village was another "PAY ATTENTION - JAKE WILL TAME ONE OF THESE THINGS" groan inducing scenes. Mercifully he didn't repeat himself by actually showing him doing it.
As for dialogue and action not being predictable - if the plot plays out the exact way we expect, how can the dialogue and action be anything but predictable. Of course no one is going to know what's going to happen word for word, but the plot is driven by action and dialogue. If the plot is predictable then so is the dialogue and action driving it.
QuoteMost of the people on this board just revealed that they didn't know the guy's name.
That's cos they didn't care, unlike your good self.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 21, 2010, 03:55:45 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 21, 2010, 03:55:45 AM
Anymore, movies don't need good scripts to make money. D9 had one of the best I've seen recently and it gets overshadowed by this? Cameron should take his big green wad home and try to figure out something original. For once.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 03:57:49 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 03:57:49 AM
It's not the script that's overshadowing anything - it's the visuals.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 21, 2010, 04:06:44 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Jan 21, 2010, 04:06:44 AM
Really, that's it. Avatar left me with a feeling of "been there, done that" from an experienced film maker that has created wonderful films before. D9 was a better film overall from a newbie. Yeah, he had Jackson backing him, but with a shoe-string budget. For your money's worth, D9 is as good as you're gonna get.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 21, 2010, 04:10:20 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 21, 2010, 04:10:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 03:55:31 AM"PAY ATTENTION - JAKE WILL TAME ONE OF THESE THINGS"
When I saw the skull scene, I was thinking "Wow, I like the script so far but this is just lousy."
But when we see him actually tame it, it is shot in a way that it isn't a scene of "Will he make it?" The voiceover makes it known that it isn't intended to be a plot twist, but a payoff. And I liked it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 04:18:14 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 04:18:14 AM
The payoff was excrutiatingly predictable (I'm really starting to hate that word - must get the Thesaurus out), but the way the scene was played out, ie. show the lead up but don't repeat the previous pterodactyl taming scene (x10) was refreshing. I remember thinking "Oh f**k, he already did this scene. We don't need a repeat." And then he didn't.
In an ocean of banality (thank you, Roget) little touches like this are magnified.
In an ocean of banality (thank you, Roget) little touches like this are magnified.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 21, 2010, 04:25:30 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 21, 2010, 04:25:30 AM
Quote
It's still a plot hole.
A plot hole is something in the film that can't be explained or something that contradicts another fact in the film. Somebody not squealing on another person because they are friends is not a plot hole.
Quote
The only piece of action that wasn't predictable was Cameron cutting away from Jake taming that big pterodactyl thing. The whole exposition about the skull in the village was another "PAY ATTENTION - JAKE WILL TAME ONE OF THESE THINGS" groan inducing scenes. Mercifully he didn't repeat himself by actually showing him doing it.
You knew how every action piece was going to be framed...how it was going to be shot?
Quote
As for dialogue and action not being predictable - if the plot plays out the exact way we expect, how can the dialogue and action be anything but predictable. Of course no one is going to know what's going to happen word for word, but the plot is driven by action and dialogue. If the plot is predictable then so is the dialogue and action driving it.
The plot is the same as Dances with Wolves or whatever movie you pick...but the dialogue is written better and the action in the script is set up better. That is all I am saying. You are an asshole, I am done arguing with you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 04:44:33 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 04:44:33 AM
Charming.
Good day to you, sir!
Good day to you, sir!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 21, 2010, 04:58:02 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 21, 2010, 04:58:02 AM
lulz.
Another poster falls unda de pressa.
Another poster falls unda de pressa.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 21, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 21, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
Lol I was just thinking that. You're getting more popular by the minute SM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:01:42 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:01:42 AM
Whoda thunk?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 21, 2010, 05:02:24 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 21, 2010, 05:02:24 AM
Your still my hero champ.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 05:22:47 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 05:22:47 AM
It's easier to just ignore users and post box office numbers.
$509,059,398
$509,059,398
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:37:35 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:37:35 AM
Avatar's box office, however, is being artificially inflated by people paying extra for 3D.
Doesn't change the bottom line, but worth considering.
Doesn't change the bottom line, but worth considering.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 05:43:49 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 05:43:49 AM
But, it's a lot harder to get someone to pay 15 bucks for a movie too.
Not to mention the insanely small weekly drops.
Not to mention the insanely small weekly drops.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 05:56:39 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 05:56:39 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Jan 21, 2010, 04:25:30 AM
The plot is the same as Dances with Wolves or whatever movie you pick...but the dialogue is written better and the action in the script is set up better. That is all I am saying. You are an asshole, I am done arguing with you.
One more slip up like that, and you're done here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:57:46 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 05:57:46 AM
QuoteBut, it's a lot harder to get someone to pay 15 bucks for a movie too.
By the same token, you don't have to get as many bums on seats as you would for a 2D screening.
If a normal ticket is $10, then the flick makes 33% extra box office for every 3D screening. Which can be linked to the small weekly drops. People don't want to spend $15 on 3D so they watch it in 2D, like it, then decide to go back and watch it in 3D.
Not trying to take anything away because for such a terribly derivative film in terms of story, the numbers are quite insane. But the 3D ticket prices are still a factor.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 21, 2010, 09:20:47 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 21, 2010, 09:20:47 AM
Like DoomRulz said, I want to see the insults stop. Yeah, debate about the movie, but stop the insults.
No need for name calling, and that is for everyone.
We don't need it.
No need for name calling, and that is for everyone.
We don't need it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 21, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 21, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiamhilarious.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2Fpocahontas-avatar-750x730.jpg&hash=3c5f6586a8a8ca517a8bad6df992359c9f1d08af)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 03:59:53 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 03:59:53 PM
^ :D
Also -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metrojoint.com%2Fphotos24%2Fjoints_35792972_92243774_28156068.jpg&hash=037b27b901ac4797be87d1c3f8e83129fbf9d946)
I think she has "TWAT" on her necklace...
Also -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metrojoint.com%2Fphotos24%2Fjoints_35792972_92243774_28156068.jpg&hash=037b27b901ac4797be87d1c3f8e83129fbf9d946)
I think she has "TWAT" on her necklace...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
Quote from: Mkilbride on Jan 21, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiamhilarious.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2Fpocahontas-avatar-750x730.jpg&hash=3c5f6586a8a8ca517a8bad6df992359c9f1d08af)
Somone already posted that, but it's still hilarious all the same :D
Who watched the Golden Globes? I missed it, but I heard Cameron was really high on himself that night.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 21, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 21, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 03:59:53 PM
I think she has "TWAT" on her necklace...
THRT
Throat mic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 06:29:41 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 06:29:41 PM
Ahhhhh... yeah.
Still looks like "TWAT" though. :D
Still looks like "TWAT" though. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 21, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 21, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Video is epic. Already been posted, eh? Well, not searching 150 pages, you understand. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 21, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 06:29:41 PM
Ahhhhh... yeah.
Still looks like "TWAT" though. :D
u silly
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
ai no
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 21, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 21, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
Stop posting the same pictures and videos over and over again, do some research, they are only a few pages back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 22, 2010, 04:52:16 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 22, 2010, 04:52:16 AM
People complain that its basically the same plot as Pocahontas but the question is, which out of those two would you rather watch?
I know what I'd choose.
Avatar all the way.
I know what I'd choose.
Avatar all the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 04:54:03 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 04:54:03 AM
Hardly the point.
I'm just disappointed Cameron got so lazy with the writing because he's capable of much better.
I'm just disappointed Cameron got so lazy with the writing because he's capable of much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 22, 2010, 04:56:14 AM
Post by: Mkilbride on Jan 22, 2010, 04:56:14 AM
Yeah. I don't care if his effects are the best so far, if his story sucks, it's a no watch for me.
Story is the most important aspect to something for me...and if the story fails or is unoriginal...then it's no good to me.
Story is the most important aspect to something for me...and if the story fails or is unoriginal...then it's no good to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 22, 2010, 05:00:22 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 22, 2010, 05:00:22 PM
There is nothing wrong with the story though. Familiar plot yes, but so were other movies like The Last Samurai and they were still very enjoyable.
I don't care that much about twist and turns in movies because frankly, I will probably never watch movies like that again (at least for a very long time) once I've already watched it because it's most redeeming factor has already been exposed. I prefer to be able to transcend into another world (in this case, literally into another world) and be engrossed than say "OH SNAP, IT'S A TWIST!". In my personal opinion, a good movie is one that will capture you again on multiple viewings. But you know, this is why they make different movies, so different tastes can be satisfied.
I don't care that much about twist and turns in movies because frankly, I will probably never watch movies like that again (at least for a very long time) once I've already watched it because it's most redeeming factor has already been exposed. I prefer to be able to transcend into another world (in this case, literally into another world) and be engrossed than say "OH SNAP, IT'S A TWIST!". In my personal opinion, a good movie is one that will capture you again on multiple viewings. But you know, this is why they make different movies, so different tastes can be satisfied.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 22, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 22, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
Lion King had a familiar plot also, and it turn out great. I'm fine with the story, and I hope the special DVD edition give us some new scans like maybe more background stroy for Jake.
Title: "Avatar"
Post by: M-41A on Jan 23, 2010, 07:25:38 AM
Post by: M-41A on Jan 23, 2010, 07:25:38 AM
I know there is already a thread about this movie.
I simply didn't feel like skimming through pages and pages of reads.
So I ask, what did you think?
Did you see it in Imax, 3-D or regular?
I myself feel that Cameron completed another masterpiece.
How about you?
I simply didn't feel like skimming through pages and pages of reads.
So I ask, what did you think?
Did you see it in Imax, 3-D or regular?
I myself feel that Cameron completed another masterpiece.
How about you?
Title: Re: "Avatar"
Post by: Vanski on Jan 23, 2010, 08:19:32 AM
Post by: Vanski on Jan 23, 2010, 08:19:32 AM
I was disappointed. It was my first 3D movie, and i found the 3D only annoying. I think the story had potential, but it was more like a wasted opportunity. It was told in so standard way, that it became very boring in the middle, since you could guess every scene that was coming. It was just one cliché after another that hurted the characters so much, that i stopped caring about them. Also, why couldn't the Na'vi be more "alien" than it was? If not in the look, then they should've behaved more alien and had some mystery to make them actually interesting.
It did have some stuff i liked about, ofcourse like everybody has said before, it looks great. Also the beginning and ending are quite good. My opinion about the score has changed. James Horner recycles himself once again, and misses the opportunity to create some actual themes for the movie this big. What the hell has happened to movie scores lately?
It did have some stuff i liked about, ofcourse like everybody has said before, it looks great. Also the beginning and ending are quite good. My opinion about the score has changed. James Horner recycles himself once again, and misses the opportunity to create some actual themes for the movie this big. What the hell has happened to movie scores lately?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
I don't get why people are saying the story is predictable and ruined the movie? What movies aren't predictable anymore besides a select few.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 23, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 23, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
I don't get why people are saying the story is predictable and ruined the movie?
Blame the hype.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 23, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 23, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
I don't get why people are saying the story is predictable and ruined the movie? What movies aren't predictable anymore besides a select few.
As Undeadlite said, blame the hype. And at the same time, some films actually try. They don't just blatantly rip off other movies and hide it all behind shiny eye candy. Hell, even Cameron should know better. Like SM and SiL said pages back, Aliens was pretty derivative but at least James was able to shoot the film in a manner that could dismiss whatever he took from the first film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 23, 2010, 05:31:42 PMAahhhh. I see. I guess I wasn't part of the hype train. Or heard anything about it.Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
I don't get why people are saying the story is predictable and ruined the movie? What movies aren't predictable anymore besides a select few.
As Undeadlite said, blame the hype. And at the same time, some films actually try. They don't just blatantly rip off other movies and hide it all behind shiny eye candy. Hell, even Cameron should know better. Like SM and SiL said pages back, Aliens was pretty derivative but at least James was able to shoot the film in a manner that could dismiss whatever he took from the first film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PMLol
James Cameron Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNd-MVRmfLA
The best song in the world 8) :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 23, 2010, 07:10:08 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 23, 2010, 07:10:08 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
James Cameron Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNd-MVRmfLA
The best song in the world 8) :P
Epic win!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 23, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 23, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
I liked that song. Didn't agree with all of it, but I still liked it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 24, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 24, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
I thought it was saying "I've got a hard on for James Cameron."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah I heard that too at first. I mean I'll salute the man, but that's going a bit too far... :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 02:43:42 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 02:43:42 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
James Cameron Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNd-MVRmfLA
The best song in the world 8) :P
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 11:47:25 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 11:47:25 AM
Awesome! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 09:54:50 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 09:54:50 PM
QuoteI don't get why people are saying the story is predictable
Because it is.
Quoteand ruined the movie?
It didn't ruin the movie. The visuals saved it. However the story was extremely disappointing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
I found this film to be a big let-down. With all the hype, I thought it was going to have an amazing story, with great characters and actors, on top of the breathtaking visuals. All I got were the visuals. I left the theatre that day extremely disappointed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:25:49 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:25:49 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F1085unr.jpg&hash=abc276312adb2707f5194236231a0d6be117183a)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:30:34 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:30:34 PM
Star Wars should never have been overtaken. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Quickly! Lets all go out and buy $200 million worth of Star Wars DVDs! We can still save it!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:30:34 PM
Star Wars should never have been overtaken. :(
Remember that list doesn't take inflation into consideration.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:34:09 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:34:09 PM
This is true.
Shops are closed in England at the moment.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Quickly! Lets all go out and buy $200 million worth of Star Wars DVDs! We can still save it!
Shops are closed in England at the moment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 24, 2010, 10:34:33 PM
Post by: vortep on Jan 24, 2010, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Quickly! Lets all go out and buy $200 million worth of Star Wars DVDs! We can still save it!
This is only theatrical winings, even if you buy 1 billion DVD's it will not be counted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:35:22 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:35:22 PM
It said lifetime gross. I assumed that meant all money it has ever made. Guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:37:24 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:37:24 PM
How much $$ this film is making, to me, is not indicative of how good it is. It means people are watching it, but that doesn't make it good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
I know. This film does not deserve even a nomination for best picture.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
It'll get one.
People will be mad.
I will laugh.
People will be mad.
I will laugh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
And if it wins, we may get to see Cameron declare himself king of the universe...
Definitely worth it!
Definitely worth it!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:43:06 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 10:43:06 PM
Yeah... maybe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
I hope they queue the music before he gets to that mark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 24, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
With 'Bishop's Countdown' playing, perhaps? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Avatar won Best Picture.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:48:44 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:48:44 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
It'll get one.
People will be mad.
I will laugh.
Quote from: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Avatar won Best Picture.
The Dark Knight wasn't nominated. What makes you think Avatar stands a better chance?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
The expanded field.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:51:46 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 10:51:46 PM
Expanded field?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 10:52:30 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 10:52:30 PM
QuoteWhat makes you think Avatar stands a better chance?
Cos it wouldn't surprise if there were lots of voters who genuinely think this is the best film of the year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:52:46 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Jan 24, 2010, 10:52:46 PM
5 nominees last year.
10 this year.
10 this year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 10:58:47 PM
Wiki says no scifi film has ever won best picture. If Avatar makes it, it could open the floodgates to other genre films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 11:02:03 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 11:02:03 PM
Return of the King won only a few years ago. Not sci-fi of course - but not the usual drama that gets up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 11:04:14 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 11:04:14 PM
I'll lose a lot of faith in Academy if Avatar wins, or even gets nominated. It's bad enough TDK didn't get a nomination, and that was the best film of 2008, and even one of the best films ever. I don't see what makes Avatar so damn special.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 11:10:55 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 24, 2010, 11:10:55 PM
Because it's a coat of fresh paint on a tried and true story that has changed the industry?
Frankly I think it's as full of itself and overhyped as TDK, but the technological advancements set it on a higher peg. Do I personally think it deserve best pic? No, but I understand how the decision can be considered.
Frankly I think it's as full of itself and overhyped as TDK, but the technological advancements set it on a higher peg. Do I personally think it deserve best pic? No, but I understand how the decision can be considered.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
QuoteI'll lose a lot of faith in Academy if Avatar wins, or even gets nominated. It's bad enough TDK didn't get a nomination, and that was the best film of 2008, and even one of the best films ever. I don't see what makes Avatar so damn special.
Then you have your eyes shut.
It's obvious what makes it's so special - and it's nothing to do with the story.
As for faith in the Academy - Star Wars didn't get Best Picture and that changed the industry much more than Avatar has yet or will in future.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 24, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 24, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
What magical technology is this you speak of? Game developers have been using virtual real time WYSIWYG for YEARS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 12:28:33 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 12:28:33 AM
But nothing that compares to the image quality that was spearheaded with Avatar's production team.
And I don't know what the equipment is called, but I was more amazed with their memory motion capture where they would record something in a room and then after the fact be able to pick up every shot as if it were happening in real time. There's a clip floating around out there that I can't find where they show them first recording a wire puppet just zooming around an empty room with some blocks that the computer would use to map out the complete Pandora environment. Then when the recording is over they removed the puppet and all the markers and took a handheld camera and followed the flight of where the marker was recorded. On the handheld they picked up the finished banshee flying around Pandora. They were able to approach the scene from every camera angle in real time all from computer memory while being simultaneously converted into the final shot.
If you ask me, it's a long step from simple motion capture and it without a doubt deserves a technical Oscar.
And I don't know what the equipment is called, but I was more amazed with their memory motion capture where they would record something in a room and then after the fact be able to pick up every shot as if it were happening in real time. There's a clip floating around out there that I can't find where they show them first recording a wire puppet just zooming around an empty room with some blocks that the computer would use to map out the complete Pandora environment. Then when the recording is over they removed the puppet and all the markers and took a handheld camera and followed the flight of where the marker was recorded. On the handheld they picked up the finished banshee flying around Pandora. They were able to approach the scene from every camera angle in real time all from computer memory while being simultaneously converted into the final shot.
If you ask me, it's a long step from simple motion capture and it without a doubt deserves a technical Oscar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:23:21 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:23:21 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2010, 11:04:14 PM
I'll lose a lot of faith in Academy if Avatar wins, or even gets nominated. It's bad enough TDK didn't get a nomination, and that was the best film of 2008, and even one of the best films ever. I don't see what makes Avatar so damn special.
I think The Dark Knight is one of the greatest films ever made and should have swept the Academy Awards last year. However, like a lot of other people are saying....maybe it did something greater than just win Best Picture...it changed the rules of the game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:24:15 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:24:15 AM
How?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 01:26:04 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 01:26:04 AM
Well, it was a comic book adaptation that didn't feel like one at all. Serious drama.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:35:09 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:35:09 AM
Sure felt like a comic book flick to me. Not saying that's bad thing either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:37:47 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:37:47 AM
Like many people said on here it took the nominees for best picture from 5 to 10...many people on here mentioned it before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 01:40:34 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 01:40:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:35:09 AM
Sure felt like a comic book flick to me. Not saying that's bad thing either.
It was much more realistic and dark than other comic book movies. Typical comic book movies are Spiderman, Iron Man, X-Men, etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 25, 2010, 01:41:54 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 25, 2010, 01:41:54 AM
I was thinking... technically, and you may disagree, no matter how unoriginal you found it, it is good writing. It adheres to the three act structure and has the standard character arc. It might feel formulaic, but that's just the Hollywood writing style.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
Hundreds of movies follow the three act structure and formulaic 'Hollywood writing trends' without being blatant rip offs. Once again it's all about how you hide that structure so the audience aren't accurately anticipating what's going to come next, and the thing lacking any sort of surprises.
Unfortunately it turned to comedy every time Bale did his Bat voice.
??? They have 10 nominees now because Dark Knight missed out?
QuoteIt was much more realistic and dark than other comic book movies. Typical comic book movies are Spiderman, Iron Man, X-Men, etc.
Unfortunately it turned to comedy every time Bale did his Bat voice.
QuoteLike many people said on here it took the nominees for best picture from 5 to 10...many people on here mentioned it before.
??? They have 10 nominees now because Dark Knight missed out?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 25, 2010, 01:47:34 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 25, 2010, 01:47:34 AM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:49:25 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:49:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
??? They have 10 nominees now because Dark Knight missed out?
Yes..do some research before you post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:50:42 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:50:42 AM
I did and cound't find anything about the Dark Knight. Only that it would've been in the top 10 films. Nothing about it being the main cause of the change.
Provide sources before you post.
Provide sources before you post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:53:28 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:53:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:50:42 AM
I did and cound't find anything about the Dark Knight. Only that it would've been in the top 10 films. Nothing about it being the main cause of the change.
Provide sources before you post.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34731940/ns/entertainment-movies/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34731940/ns/entertainment-movies/)
"Having 10 best picture nominees helps
Scoring big bucks off a relatively ambitious summer blockbuster didn't land "The Dark Knight" in the best picture running last year. That's the challenge that led the Academy to expand the number of nominees to 10 this year. (Oh, and the fact that best picture nominations for hit movies equals higher Oscar ratings.) "
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:56:17 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:56:17 AM
There now, was that so difficult?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 01:58:22 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 01:58:22 AM
There were more reasons than just that. It was also an attempt to give foreign and animated films a better shot of running for the top award.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:59:02 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 01:59:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 01:56:17 AM
There now, was that so difficult?
Like I said, do some research before you post, people here think you are an ass already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
So they f**king oughta. Pixar should've won a Best Picture Oscar long before now.
Like I said - I DID do some research. Thank you providing a source. There's really no need to squeal like a stuck pig about it now.
QuoteLike I said, do some research before you post, people here think you are an ass already.
Like I said - I DID do some research. Thank you providing a source. There's really no need to squeal like a stuck pig about it now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:07:30 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:07:30 AM
Quotepeople here think you are an ass already.
Me thinks he's just senile. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:31 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:31 AM
Why you little...!
'Ass' is such an amusing attempt at an insult. ;D
'Ass' is such an amusing attempt at an insult. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
-puts ears to ground- Careful EarthHive, there are moderators afoot. -hides in the tall grass-
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 02:09:31 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 02:09:31 AM
Quote from: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:07:30 AMQuotepeople here think you are an ass already.
Me thinks he's just senile. ;D
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:09:48 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:09:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:31 AM
Why you little...!
'Ass' is such an amusing insult. ;D
Senile is much better, am I right, old boy?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:10:12 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2010, 02:10:12 AM
Quite so.
...who are you again?
...who are you again?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 02:11:44 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Jan 25, 2010, 02:11:44 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
-puts ears to ground- Careful EarthHive, there are moderators afoot. -hides in the tall grass-
I know, man....thanks. Doom aleady warned me about this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 25, 2010, 02:14:04 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 25, 2010, 02:14:04 AM
Again, I said to stop with the insults, even if no one is offended, I don't want to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 25, 2010, 08:13:42 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 25, 2010, 08:13:42 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 25, 2010, 02:14:04 AM
Again, I said to stop with the insults, even if no one is offended, I don't want to see it.
Hey sorry to get off topic I love you avatar of Godzilla that is cool man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SamHain on Jan 25, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Post by: SamHain on Jan 25, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Avatar's sex scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2010, 12:13:58 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2010, 12:13:58 PM
not again.... ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SamHain on Jan 25, 2010, 12:17:02 PM
Post by: SamHain on Jan 25, 2010, 12:17:02 PM
Already posted? Sorry...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 24, 2010, 11:30:43 PMQuoteI'll lose a lot of faith in Academy if Avatar wins, or even gets nominated. It's bad enough TDK didn't get a nomination, and that was the best film of 2008, and even one of the best films ever. I don't see what makes Avatar so damn special.
Then you have your eyes shut.
It's obvious what makes it's so special - and it's nothing to do with the story.
As for faith in the Academy - Star Wars didn't get Best Picture and that changed the industry much more than Avatar has yet or will in future.
Oh hey, the film more than deserves the award for visual effects. I won't deny that. To do so would be ignorant on my part. But this film doesn't do much beyond that, so I fail to see why a Best Picture nomination is warranted.
Quote from: Undeadite on Jan 25, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
-puts ears to ground- Careful EarthHive, there are moderators afoot. -hides in the tall grass-
DON'T GO INTO THE LONG GRASS! NOT INTO THE LONG GRAAAAAASS!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 25, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 25, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
My parents wanted me, my wife, and my brother to go see it with them this past weekend, so they got another $80 to go towards the record, lol. :P They all loved it, but mentioned some parts made them dizzy, not a problem I shared (Nintendo generation FTW!). Every showing that night was sold out and there are two IMAX locations in San Antonio.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
so how was it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 25, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 25, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Well I've already posted before what I thought of it (this wasn't my first time to see it). I personally enjoy it immensely. High points are: Effects, action, immersive-ness, atmosphere, different take on familiar plot in film, and the story-telling. Low points are: Unoriginal overall plot and alien designs (blue peoples) that took time to grow on you. The cliche character claim isn't in line with what I found problematic in the film. I found the characters easy to relate to and very personable. I found Quaritch somewhat conventional, but a very exciting villain to watch on screen in every scene he was in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 25, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 25, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 25, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Well I've already posted before what I thought of it (this wasn't my first time to see it). I personally enjoy it immensely. High points are: Effects, action, immersive-ness, atmosphere, different take on familiar plot in film, and the story-telling. Low points are: Unoriginal overall plot and alien designs (blue peoples) that took time to grow on you. The cliche character claim isn't in line with what I found problematic in the film. I found the characters easy to relate to and very personable. I found Quaritch somewhat conventional, but a very exciting villain to watch on screen in every scene he was in.
I think I agree with everything here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 25, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 25, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
Any news on a Double Disc DvD edition of the film?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 25, 2010, 08:28:28 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 25, 2010, 08:28:28 PM
Extra hot, blue alien secks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 25, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 25, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
Don't care for it. I heard of the Orange beast that was cut from the final film, and was included in the videogame. Well, THAT is what I'm waiting for.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Hopefully they corrected that horrible pixelisation on the dragon's wing, did anyone notice that too?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 12:19:21 AM
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 12:19:21 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 12:33:11 AM
Post by: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 12:33:11 AM
I seen this film when it came out and loved it. Cameron has made a comback indeed. I am going to sound like a sadist saying this but Stephan Lang was one of my favorite characters. Doesn't mean I agree with his views in the film. Just liked the character. The robotic suits were cool as well. Loved the battle near the end. Great film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 26, 2010, 01:07:53 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 26, 2010, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Hopefully they corrected that horrible pixelisation on the dragon's wing, did anyone notice that too?
Any scene in particular? I didn't catch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Jan 26, 2010, 01:38:32 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Jan 26, 2010, 01:38:32 AM
I went for my second viewing here in town (since it just got here) and I've never seen that many people in that theater before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 26, 2010, 01:49:55 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 26, 2010, 01:49:55 PM
So it's official - Avatar kicked Titanic's ass. It'll get over 2 billion soon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 26, 2010, 06:00:29 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 26, 2010, 06:00:29 PM
Quote from: Puks on Jan 26, 2010, 01:49:55 PM
So it's official - Avatar kicked Titanic's ass. It'll get over 2 billion soon.
Seriously? Got a link?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 06:11:36 PM
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 06:11:36 PM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16549&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 26, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jan 26, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 26, 2010, 01:07:53 AMIt's one of the scenes with the giant red dragon thing that Jake uses to impress the Na'vi, right after Weaver died and Jake jumps on the dragon with Neytiri.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Hopefully they corrected that horrible pixelisation on the dragon's wing, did anyone notice that too?
Any scene in particular? I didn't catch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 26, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 26, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
Next time I watch it I will look for that. I hope I don't see it, because that is the only thing I will see the rest of my life watching this movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 26, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jan 26, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 06:11:36 PM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16549&count=0
That's impressive. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Post by: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Now we have to wait about 6 months for that beautiful Blu-Ray to come out! :-\ :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Predboy on Jan 26, 2010, 08:21:38 PM
Post by: Predboy on Jan 26, 2010, 08:21:38 PM
Im thinking about seeing this movie for a third time now...I wonder if the movie theater is going to be full...again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Post by: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Now we have to wait about 6 months for that beautiful Blu-Ray to come out! :-\ :D
Amazon Germany confirmed that the Blu-ray and DVD will be released in December.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 26, 2010, 09:19:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 26, 2010, 09:19:44 PM
So then more like 10 months. :P Wonder if it's coming out in U.S. earlier...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 26, 2010, 09:23:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 26, 2010, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: vortep on Jan 26, 2010, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: First Blood on Jan 26, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Now we have to wait about 6 months for that beautiful Blu-Ray to come out! :-\ :D
Amazon Germany confirmed that the Blu-ray and DVD will be released in December.
That's for Germany, and I doubt it's coming out that late, and Amazon is never always right with their dates. I think either May or June is a good release date for the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 27, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Jan 27, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
I can still see this being in theaters in May...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 27, 2010, 04:04:29 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 27, 2010, 04:04:29 AM
I say Avatar will be #1 again this week, and next week then Wolfman will take the #1 spot on it's opeaing weekend.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 27, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 27, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 27, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
I can still see this being in theaters in May...
I doubt that; that's a pretty long time horizon. How long was Titanic in theatres for?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 27, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 27, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
Like a year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 27, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 27, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
They stop playing Titanic around April I believe since I remember when the movie finaly cameout on VHS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 27, 2010, 10:39:05 PM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 27, 2010, 10:39:05 PM
It's likely they'll pull it and then reissue it in summer or winter holiday, before home release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2010, 01:00:25 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2010, 01:00:25 AM
Titanic had a run of around 10 months.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2010, 02:23:53 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2010, 02:23:53 AM
They aren't going to pull it anytime soon if its still atop the charts. The longer its in theaters, the longer it will take to be released.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 28, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 28, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
The Wolfman might take the #1 in another two weeks from now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 28, 2010, 01:00:25 AM
Titanic had a run of around 10 months.
Impressive. Did Jurassic Park have as long a run?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 28, 2010, 04:22:10 AM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 28, 2010, 04:22:10 AM
Nar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2010, 05:43:28 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2010, 05:43:28 AM
JP stuck around for awhile.
I remember being like "!" when it was released.
Only movie I've seen four times in cinema. I was like 7 and thought it was the shit.
I remember being like "!" when it was released.
Only movie I've seen four times in cinema. I was like 7 and thought it was the shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
It is the shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
JP was the movie of my childhood.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 28, 2010, 06:23:02 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Jan 28, 2010, 06:23:02 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
JP was the movie of my childhood.
Yours and every other cool kid on the block. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 28, 2010, 07:20:37 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Jan 28, 2010, 07:20:37 AM
JP, Terminator 2 and Aliens MADE my childhood.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 28, 2010, 07:35:32 AM
Post by: Puks on Jan 28, 2010, 07:35:32 AM
What NintendoMan said. The holy trinity of my childhood.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Jan 28, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: vortep on Jan 28, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: NintendoMan on Jan 28, 2010, 07:20:37 AM
JP, Terminator 2 and Aliens MADE my childhood.
Interesting, beacuse they where my childhood movies also, and i live on Bulgaria :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
The only film I've seen in theatres more than twice was TDK: 9 times, y'all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
Whoa. That is a lot. :)
I think the most I've seen a movie in the theater was Phantom Menace. Was at least 4 times. I have seen Avatar 3 times now, but the second time was due to my infatuation with testing out different 3D technologies and the 3rd time was for my dad's b-day. Not to say I didn't want to see it 3 times, but it's rare I see a movie more than once at the theater most of the time.
I think the most I've seen a movie in the theater was Phantom Menace. Was at least 4 times. I have seen Avatar 3 times now, but the second time was due to my infatuation with testing out different 3D technologies and the 3rd time was for my dad's b-day. Not to say I didn't want to see it 3 times, but it's rare I see a movie more than once at the theater most of the time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 28, 2010, 05:54:55 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 28, 2010, 05:54:55 PM
James Cameron said a sequel won't be out until 2013 or so. I think Battle Angel will start filming soon sometime this year then when he is done with that then he will direct Avatar 2 afterwards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 28, 2010, 07:11:05 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Jan 28, 2010, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
I think the most I've seen a movie in the theater was Phantom Menace. Was at least 4 times.
Same. That film seemed so awesome when I was 8. Happy days.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 10:25:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 10:25:04 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 28, 2010, 07:11:05 PMQuote from: Cellien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
I think the most I've seen a movie in the theater was Phantom Menace. Was at least 4 times.
Same. That film seemed so awesome when I was 8. Happy days.
Heh, well I think I was about 15-16. :) Still happy days though. Cars, chicks, beer, and Star Wars. Dun' get much better than that. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 29, 2010, 01:32:32 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 29, 2010, 01:32:32 AM
Quote from: NintendoMan on Jan 28, 2010, 07:20:37 AM
JP, Terminator 2 and Aliens MADE my childhood.
JP was probably my favorite up until I saw Aliens. Then the Alien series eliminated all other suitors.
Not to say I dont like JP, its always going to be up there on my list. But Alien series was the first step I had into a more adult world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 29, 2010, 02:37:49 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 29, 2010, 02:37:49 AM
Does anyone think either The Wolfman or Aice in Wounderland might beat Avatar during the weekend?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Jan 29, 2010, 02:49:51 AM
Post by: Xhan on Jan 29, 2010, 02:49:51 AM
Depends on the price differential versus popularity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 29, 2010, 05:37:36 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Jan 29, 2010, 05:37:36 AM
LoL
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2F2dl3u48.jpg&hash=d1ae5d4f31612f2bceeb29f49631ac3835d9ed58)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2F2dl3u48.jpg&hash=d1ae5d4f31612f2bceeb29f49631ac3835d9ed58)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Haha, I love it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Predboy on Jan 30, 2010, 04:10:08 PM
Post by: Predboy on Jan 30, 2010, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
JP was the movie of my childhood.
Same here. No matter what, Jurassic Park will always have a place in my top 5 favorite movies of all time. One of the best movies of all time, a true Steven Spielberg classic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Jan 30, 2010, 05:43:46 PM
Post by: Puks on Jan 30, 2010, 05:43:46 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 29, 2010, 05:37:36 AM
LoLSpoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2F2dl3u48.jpg&hash=d1ae5d4f31612f2bceeb29f49631ac3835d9ed58)[close]
Awesome! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Feb 01, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
Post by: Huol on Feb 01, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 01, 2010, 03:53:00 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 01, 2010, 03:53:00 AM
Funny, though he sounds literally retarded.
Seventh Week at #1 for Cameron's Avatar
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=62803
Seventh Week at #1 for Cameron's Avatar
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=62803
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Feb 01, 2010, 05:00:22 AM
Post by: Huol on Feb 01, 2010, 05:00:22 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 01, 2010, 03:53:00 AM
Funny, though he sounds literally retarded.
You cant tell hes putting it on?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 01, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 01, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 01, 2010, 03:53:00 AM
Seventh Week at #1 for Cameron's Avatar
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=62803
Go!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 01, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 01, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Jan 30, 2010, 04:10:08 PMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 28, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
JP was the movie of my childhood.
Same here. No matter what, Jurassic Park will always have a place in my top 5 favorite movies of all time. One of the best movies of all time, a true Steven Spielberg classic.
Haha,
Same here. That was the first movie my dad took me to see in a movie theater in 1993 when I was younger.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2010, 04:06:10 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2010, 04:06:10 PM
Quote from: Huol on Feb 01, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Bahahaha, I love this guy
This guy is full of epic win. Such an accurate review :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 04:24:19 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 04:24:19 PM
haha ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2Fwrzwc5.png&hash=f8ed679c7978a880792b4d39ff882b5988eedeed)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2Fwrzwc5.png&hash=f8ed679c7978a880792b4d39ff882b5988eedeed)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Feb 01, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: Vanski on Feb 01, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
They're both as plastic ;).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Avatar - How It Should Have Ended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk&feature=popular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk&feature=popular
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 01, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 01, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Lmao, the ALIENS reference at the end was win.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Avatar - How It Should Have Ended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk&feature=popular
That was awesome! Haha, I never actually realized that, he never told them :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 01, 2010, 11:08:42 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 01, 2010, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Avatar - How It Should Have Ended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk&feature=popular
Yet another glaring plot hole. I liked that. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
Avata plot holes aplenty (http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/archives/2010/01/fingering_avata.html)
Normally I wouldn't give Schembri the time of day - but he makes some interesting points. As well as some innacurate ones.
Avatar Defenders Assemble!!
Normally I wouldn't give Schembri the time of day - but he makes some interesting points. As well as some innacurate ones.
Avatar Defenders Assemble!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 01, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 01, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
deleted scenes.
Bam.
Bam.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Skinner on Feb 02, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Post by: Skinner on Feb 02, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 01, 2010, 11:38:16 PMSome of those aren't really plot holes.
Avata plot holes aplenty (http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/archives/2010/01/fingering_avata.html)
Normally I wouldn't give Schembri the time of day - but he makes some interesting points. As well as some innacurate ones.
Avatar Defenders Assemble!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
i'm looking forward to Avatar 2, coz hopefully the plot will be a bit more original. Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again, so im thinking some full out warzone type thing?
Please?
Please?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 05:55:55 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 05:55:55 AM
Cameron said something about for the sequel they will give out more character origins, and we will be seeing Earth in the Avatar-verse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AM
Quote from: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again,
Please?
Well, he's done it twice and earned billions of dollars already, why not a third time?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 07:47:19 AM
Post by: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 07:47:19 AM
Theres no doubt in my mind that Fox execs are bowing down to Cameron as their "money god".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: UltimateBadass on Feb 02, 2010, 07:50:12 AM
Post by: UltimateBadass on Feb 02, 2010, 07:50:12 AM
I haven't seen this film. What am i missing gentlemen?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AMTwice?Quote from: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again,
Please?
Well, he's done it twice and earned billions of dollars already, why not a third time?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Feb 02, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
Post by: Vanski on Feb 02, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: Maxwell on Feb 02, 2010, 07:50:12 AMYou're not really missing anything, the 3D wasn't that good.
I haven't seen this film. What am i missing gentlemen?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Feb 02, 2010, 01:49:41 PM
Post by: Huol on Feb 02, 2010, 01:49:41 PM
Avatar was just nominated for best picture and best director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 02, 2010, 03:32:30 PM
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 02, 2010, 03:32:30 PM
QuoteYou're not really missing anything, the 3D wasn't that good.The 3D was actually very good >_> it wasn't meant to play like one of those Disney movies, or Spy Kids movies where everything pops out at you randomly and just for the sake of doing so. It was more subtle, and used to only help distinguish distances between foreground and background. Which is the way 3D should be used more often.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Feb 02, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: vortep on Feb 02, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
9 nominations! Wow
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Feb 02, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
Post by: Vanski on Feb 02, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: PLEXI on Feb 02, 2010, 03:32:30 PMYes, but this is the only film i've seen in 3D, and it didn't impress me in any way.QuoteYou're not really missing anything, the 3D wasn't that good.The 3D was actually very good >_> it wasn't meant to play like one of those Disney movies, or Spy Kids movies where everything pops out at you randomly and just for the sake of doing so. It was more subtle, and used to only help distinguish distances between foreground and background. Which is the way 3D should be used more often.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:11:22 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 11:35:52 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AMTwice?Quote from: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again,
Please?
Well, he's done it twice and earned billions of dollars already, why not a third time?
Titanic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:12:26 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:12:26 PM
My Avatar Collectors Pack arrived in the mail this morning. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 04:18:41 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 04:18:41 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:11:22 PMHow's that Dances with Wolves?Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 11:35:52 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AMTwice?Quote from: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again,
Please?
Well, he's done it twice and earned billions of dollars already, why not a third time?
Titanic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: VEF214 on Feb 02, 2010, 04:20:01 PM
Post by: VEF214 on Feb 02, 2010, 04:20:01 PM
Visually the movie was excellent. The action was very good. Some of the emotional scenes were very well done. The actual Avatar concept was decent. But the thing that ruined it for me was the thinly disguised anti-American theme. The stereotypical gung-ho military robot killing machine out to kill and maim, the "dying aliens" being sent back to their home world, the typical fat cat business man who only cares about money, the list goes on. Trying to look past the typical Hollywood hate America fad going on, it was a pretty good movie. I would like to see it again. I hope the sequel can surpass the original as well. I would give it a 8/10.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 04:18:41 PMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:11:22 PMHow's that Dances with Wolves?Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2010, 11:35:52 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 07:12:40 AMTwice?Quote from: NintendoMan on Feb 02, 2010, 05:14:19 AM
Common sense would say they cant do the same "dances with wolves" plot again,
Please?
Well, he's done it twice and earned billions of dollars already, why not a third time?
Titanic.
It was more like Romeo and Juliet, which is what, appropriately enough, Avatar was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar. Human encounters alien race, human slowly experiences being that alien, which in turn finds out how the humans are evil, fights evil humans, mech suits make an appearance, movie ends with them fully converted to the alien race.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 02, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 02, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
QuoteBut the thing that ruined it for me was the thinly disguised anti-American theme.It's not so much Anti-American as it is Anti-Corporatism (And interpreted Colonialism which is not an American only thing.). As of right now, there are International corporations that are exploiting other countries similar to the RDA's efforts on Pandora.... they may not have awesome AMP suits or the Dragon...but it's the same basic idea.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 05:36:27 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 05:36:27 PM
I really love Avatar, and D9 too. I'm gald they are getting best picture noms, if it wins best picture then it's 1997-1998 all over again lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:38:46 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:38:46 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar. Human encounters alien race, human slowly experiences being that alien, which in turn finds out how the humans are evil, fights evil humans, mech suits make an appearance, movie ends with them fully converted to the alien race.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
No, freaking, way.
District 9 was by FAR more original than Avatar. Avatar didn't even try to hide anything. Hell, I'm not even sure Cameron even knows the meaning of the word subtle. Like every review of the film has said, Avatar was beating you over the head for 2.5 hrs, telling you what was going to happen, how, and why, and who would be involved.
District 9 was not subtle in every sense of the word, but it accomplished it through a small budget, small time actors, and a script that felt real. Like that YouTube guy said, I felt sorry for the prawns as the film progressed, and they were ass-ugly too! I didn't feel any emotional connection whatsoever to anything or anyone in Avatar because it was so damn cliched.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar.
Dually noted many times, which is why they are compared so much. However, District 9 offers a less black and white protagonist and sad ending, which in my opinion elevates it above Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 06:45:23 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 06:45:23 PM
I will die laughing if Avatar wins best picture.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Feb 02, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Post by: Huol on Feb 02, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Christoph Waltz better win best supporting actor
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 06:45:23 PM
I will die laughing if Avatar wins best picture.
Why?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 06:51:13 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: Huol on Feb 02, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Christoph Waltz better win best supporting actor
f**king right.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:12:26 PMHow is it? :)
My Avatar Collectors Pack arrived in the mail this morning. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 09:52:10 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2010, 07:46:03 PMAwesome. The bag and watch are amazing ;DQuote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 04:12:26 PMHow is it? :)
My Avatar Collectors Pack arrived in the mail this morning. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2010, 10:07:55 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2010, 10:07:55 PM
I'd like to know - One or Two discs? I'm a fan of multiple discs editions :), and what special Features are there??
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 10:08:43 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 02, 2010, 10:08:43 PM
It's not a DVD, it's just a collectors pack what I sent off for last year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:18:24 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:18:24 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:48:38 PMBecause if it does then the world has finally gona mad.
Why?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 02, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 02, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
QuoteAll movies are going to have similarities
Avatar Defenders (TM) really need to buy a more solid argument.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
I'll take "There are no more original ideas" for $20!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:38:46 PMQuote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar. Human encounters alien race, human slowly experiences being that alien, which in turn finds out how the humans are evil, fights evil humans, mech suits make an appearance, movie ends with them fully converted to the alien race.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
No, freaking, way.
District 9 was by FAR more original than Avatar. Avatar didn't even try to hide anything. Hell, I'm not even sure Cameron even knows the meaning of the word subtle. Like every review of the film has said, Avatar was beating you over the head for 2.5 hrs, telling you what was going to happen, how, and why, and who would be involved.
District 9 was not subtle in every sense of the word, but it accomplished it through a small budget, small time actors, and a script that felt real. Like that YouTube guy said, I felt sorry for the prawns as the film progressed, and they were ass-ugly too! I didn't feel any emotional connection whatsoever to anything or anyone in Avatar because it was so damn cliched.
I only brought it up because of their similarities, I'm not saying one is definitively better than the other. It was done very well and it's clear you preferred the movie. Nevertheless, it shares some striking similarities.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
However, District 9 offers a less black and white protagonist and sad ending, which in my opinion elevates it above Avatar.
I like what D9 brought to the table as well. I just didn't enjoy it overall as much, though I completely understand your stance and reasoning.
Quote from: SM on Feb 02, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
Avatar Defenders (TM) really need to buy a more solid argument.
Ugh.. My comment was in defense of all movies, note the All in the first sentence. At any rate Internet Trolls (
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 10:50:21 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2010, 10:50:21 PM
I don't know if Avatar deserves Best Picture, but I really hope it goes home with a few. I will be happy if it does, and I'm very happy that D9 is getting a best picture nom.
If you don't like if it wins then go make your own movie awards then? I still think EoE is the best movie of 1997, is a much better movie then Titanic is.
If you don't like if it wins then go make your own movie awards then? I still think EoE is the best movie of 1997, is a much better movie then Titanic is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
EoE isn't elligible.
I hope D9 wins. It actually deserves it - There's more of a reason to see it than the pretty special effects. It has a plot you can't see coming in the first five minutes. It has characters who have more than one dimension. It does a better job of earning my sympathy with a bunch of humanoid shellfish than Avatar did with catpeople.
I hope D9 wins. It actually deserves it - There's more of a reason to see it than the pretty special effects. It has a plot you can't see coming in the first five minutes. It has characters who have more than one dimension. It does a better job of earning my sympathy with a bunch of humanoid shellfish than Avatar did with catpeople.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
Although I think D9 deserves it along with some other nominees, the plot did not surprise me. I knew where it was going rather quickly. I don't find that to be a bad thing though, I really enjoyed how the story was told. I enjoyed the alien/Prawn designs quite a bit as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:09:56 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:09:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
I hope D9 wins.
You know it won't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 11:20:06 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 02, 2010, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:09:56 PMA man can dream :(
You know it won't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
I haven't even seen the Hurt Locker, but have a feeling it may win. Just hear a lot of chatter about it..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 11:59:31 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 02, 2010, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
I haven't even seen the Hurt Locker, but have a feeling it may win. Just hear a lot of chatter about it..
It's awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 12:09:05 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 12:09:05 AM
I really want D9 to win, but sadly it will not likey wont :-\.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 12:22:05 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 12:22:05 AM
Hurt Locker all the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:30 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:30 AM
Up in the Air has a very good chance on winning then Avatar though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 03, 2010, 02:06:55 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 03, 2010, 02:06:55 AM
Hurt Locker for me too.
I don't care how much people in the military say it is unrealistic, it isn't about that.
It's is a character study.
I don't care how much people in the military say it is unrealistic, it isn't about that.
It's is a character study.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 03, 2010, 02:28:07 AM
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 03, 2010, 02:28:07 AM
QuoteHurt Locker for me too.+1 It took a bit for me to get past that..but it was a fantastic movie, I throughly enjoyed it.
I don't care how much people in the military say it is unrealistic, it isn't about that.
It's is a character study.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 02:34:23 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 02:34:23 AM
Hurt Locker for me as well.
The Ralph Fiennes cameo sold me on that film.
The Ralph Fiennes cameo sold me on that film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2010, 02:39:34 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2010, 02:39:34 AM
Meh. It was decent. She did a good job at capturing tension, and I liked the performance of the EOD teams second in command. Other than that I didn't think it was all that great. I personally preferred the HBO miniseries Generation Kill over the Hurt Locker for my cinematic dialogue on the Iraq war. Since the former was based in military reality, and not military fantasy like THL.
I'd probably go with District 9 even though it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of making it.
I'd probably go with District 9 even though it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of making it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 03, 2010, 02:59:06 AM
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 03, 2010, 02:59:06 AM
Generation Kill is probably the best depiction of a modern combat environment (in regards to the initial 8 weeks of the invasion) Check out the original book as well, Evan Wright provides maps and everything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 04:23:08 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 04:23:08 AM
I'm in the dark here. How was THL inaccurate?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
What is this film Hurt Locker everyone is talking about? I never even heard about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 03, 2010, 04:35:30 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 03, 2010, 04:35:30 AM
James Cameron's ex-wife's new film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scm on Feb 03, 2010, 05:13:22 AM
Post by: scm on Feb 03, 2010, 05:13:22 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2010, 06:38:46 PMQuote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar. Human encounters alien race, human slowly experiences being that alien, which in turn finds out how the humans are evil, fights evil humans, mech suits make an appearance, movie ends with them fully converted to the alien race.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
No, freaking, way.
District 9 was by FAR more original than Avatar. Avatar didn't even try to hide anything. Hell, I'm not even sure Cameron even knows the meaning of the word subtle. Like every review of the film has said, Avatar was beating you over the head for 2.5 hrs, telling you what was going to happen, how, and why, and who would be involved.
District 9 was not subtle in every sense of the word, but it accomplished it through a small budget, small time actors, and a script that felt real. Like that YouTube guy said, I felt sorry for the prawns as the film progressed, and they were ass-ugly too! I didn't feel any emotional connection whatsoever to anything or anyone in Avatar because it was so damn cliched.
So apartheid is original how? I liked both movies but come on neither is very original plot wise
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 05:17:48 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 05:17:48 AM
District 9 had themes that were relevant to the setting, and also had a much more subtle plot. Did it have the best or most original story this year? No. Do I think it was better and more original than Avatar's? Yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2010, 05:42:46 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2010, 05:42:46 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 04:23:08 AM
I'm in the dark here. How was THL inaccurate?
Depiction of the military.
Once you hear how things couldnt have happen had any of one various set of standard rules applied to this EOD squad like every other it kind of kills the mojo.
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2975 (http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2975)
Granted things like the movie Aliens arent military accurate either, but the annoyance with the film doesnt really come from the film itself, but rather the fact that the media is spinning it like its the most realistic war portayel yet. I think thats why people are so up in arms about it.
You have the media telling you, "yeah man, its like this!"
And all the vets over there saying otherwise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
Hm. I can see why, since it feels really realistic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 03, 2010, 12:33:57 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 03, 2010, 12:33:57 PM
9 nominations for the Oscars....not bad for a Dances with Wolves rip-off.....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 05:17:48 AM
District 9 had themes that were relevant to the setting, and also had a much more subtle plot. Did it have the best or most original story this year? No. Do I think it was better and more original than Avatar's? Yes.
I should've reworded what I said. D9 wasn't original, but it did a much better job of telling the story than Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 10:29:55 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 03, 2010, 10:29:55 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16641&count=0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 10:51:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 10:51:40 PM
$2.05 billion, wow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 03, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 03, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 03, 2010, 10:29:55 PM
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16641&count=0
Great Scott!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 03, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 03, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
So yeah.
You can un-delete my recent post. Or at least give me a f**king reason why it was deleted.
You can un-delete my recent post. Or at least give me a f**king reason why it was deleted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2010, 11:35:12 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2010, 11:35:12 PM
QuoteUgh.. My comment was in defense of all movies, note the All in the first sentence. At any rate Internet Trolls (TM SM) really need to buy a larger cave... cuz they keep comin' to the village stirring up shit.
It wasn't defending ALL movies - it was defending Avatar using the argument the all movies have similarities.
You really just need to embrace the fact that Avatar is a blatantly unoriginal rip-off and simply say that you don't care if it is. Overall I dug the film, but defending the storyline makes you look foolish.
As does your unnecessarily hostile post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:41:29 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:41:29 PM
I liked Avatar but the story is unoriginal.
Films that include this same story/elements are Dances with Wolves and The Last Samurai, District 9
Films that have the "plug in" aspect of the movie include...
The Matrix Trilogy
Gamer
Surrogates
Films that include this same story/elements are Dances with Wolves and The Last Samurai, District 9
Films that have the "plug in" aspect of the movie include...
The Matrix Trilogy
Gamer
Surrogates
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
How did District 9 have the same story?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 11:48:30 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 03, 2010, 11:48:30 PM
They have similar elements to their stories. I would hardly consider that as the same story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:48:43 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 02, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
All movies are going to have similarities. Shit, District 9 (a movie people claim is sooo original) and Avatar were actually very similar. Human encounters alien race, human slowly experiences being that alien, which in turn finds out how the humans are evil, fights evil humans, mech suits make an appearance, movie ends with them fully converted to the alien race.
I loved both movies though, lets give it a rest.
Saved me the trouble of having to type. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 11:57:28 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 11:57:28 PM
There's even a robot fight and
Spoiler
in the end the protagonist becomes an alien.
[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:59:54 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:59:54 PM
Both use the military/mercenaries as a vehicle for destruction.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:07:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:07:53 AM
D9 and Avatar have the same basic plot outlines told with different allegories (apartheid, colonialism). It's just that D9 actually endeavored to tell it in a unique and interesting way, and Avatar just slapped pretty images and top-shelf direction onto it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 04, 2010, 12:23:49 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 04, 2010, 12:23:49 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
Hm. I can see why, since it feels really realistic.
Bigelow is an excellent director and did some things very well in that movie. I was tense as all get out when they advanced on the position where the body bomb was found.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 01:19:30 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 03, 2010, 11:59:54 PM
Both use the military/mercenaries as a vehicle for destruction.
Okay, your other examples convinced me, but come on! This is really pushing it. There are literally hundreds, possibly thousands, of films that have militaries or mercenaries destroying things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 04, 2010, 01:23:51 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 04, 2010, 01:23:51 AM
You're right other movies do use that. I am just making the point that both *those* movies use that, because people are comparing the two films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 01:43:45 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2010, 11:35:12 PMQuoteUgh.. My comment was in defense of all movies, note the All in the first sentence. At any rate Internet Trolls (TM SM) really need to buy a larger cave... cuz they keep comin' to the village stirring up shit.
It wasn't defending ALL movies - it was defending Avatar using the argument the all movies have similarities.
No, it was defending all movies with no exception to Avatar.
Quote
You really just need to embrace the fact that Avatar is a blatantly unoriginal rip-off and simply say that you don't care if it is. Overall I dug the film, but defending the storyline makes you look foolish.
I have already said that it's plot is familiar. If you'd have read my previous posts you'd know that and probably not look foolish yourself. ..But you you're too busy trying to coin (and trademark :D) terms like "Avatar Defenders" to group everyone and agitate anyone with differing opinions to your own. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:11:15 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:11:15 AM
Twasn't my intention, but it seems to have done the job nevertheless to the exceedingly thin-skinned and lacking in humour such as your good self.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 03:24:50 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 03:24:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:11:15 AM
Twasn't my intention, but it seems to have done the job nevertheless to the exceedingly thin-skinned and lacking in humour such as your good self.
Well if it did "the job", then I guess you got your desired results. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:25:58 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:25:58 AM
Weren't any desired results so no not really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 03:51:51 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 04, 2010, 03:51:51 AM
Mmmmmkay ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 08, 2010, 07:13:43 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 08, 2010, 07:13:43 AM
http://www.imdb.com/chart/
So Avatar finaly lost the #2 spot.
So Avatar finaly lost the #2 spot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Well, it had to happen sometime. Big as Jimbo's ego is, he won't always be on top.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: out-at-night-mostly on Feb 08, 2010, 02:27:44 PM
Post by: out-at-night-mostly on Feb 08, 2010, 02:27:44 PM
Saw it and dig the graphics a lot.
This gives me more hope that James won't ###ked up Battle Angel Alita (the only manga in existent i devoted myself to in utmost zeal) graphic presentation wise.
This gives me more hope that James won't ###ked up Battle Angel Alita (the only manga in existent i devoted myself to in utmost zeal) graphic presentation wise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 08, 2010, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 08, 2010, 02:39:32 PM
Really REALLY impressive CGI. I only noticed how cliche the story was a week or so after I watched it. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 08, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 08, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Feb 03, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
So yeah.
You can un-delete my recent post. Or at least give me a f**king reason why it was deleted.
Still waiting....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 08, 2010, 06:59:51 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 08, 2010, 06:59:51 PM
If it was the "herp derp" post, it was inappropriate, and unnecessary.
It could have been found as insulting to some members, because it looked like it was directed at someone.
It could have been found as insulting to some members, because it looked like it was directed at someone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 02:39:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 02:39:30 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Feb 03, 2010, 11:25:09 PM
So yeah.
You can un-delete my recent post. Or at least give me a f**king reason why it was deleted.
My advice to you pal: don't ever speak that way to a mod again. Just don't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 09, 2010, 02:48:46 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 09, 2010, 02:48:46 AM
bwahaha
At least when Darkness has had to deal with me in the past, he'd given me reasons, and I've never had run ins with any of the other mods on this site.
But one little post mocking some dude who just pops in the thread to post the same lame brain Dances with Wolves joke, THAT post gets deleted.
At least when Darkness has had to deal with me in the past, he'd given me reasons, and I've never had run ins with any of the other mods on this site.
But one little post mocking some dude who just pops in the thread to post the same lame brain Dances with Wolves joke, THAT post gets deleted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 09, 2010, 02:54:45 AM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 09, 2010, 02:54:45 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 02:39:30 AM
My advice to you pal: don't ever speak that way to a mod again. Just don't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 09, 2010, 03:06:44 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 09, 2010, 03:06:44 AM
Just don't do it again.
Let's get back on topic.
Let's get back on topic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 09, 2010, 03:16:46 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 09, 2010, 03:16:46 AM
^ Cool sig!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 03:24:46 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 03:24:46 AM
Aside from the Predator...ya. Lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
So, who actually thoroughly enjoyed it besides it apparently being a rip off of Dances With Wolves (which I haven't seen)?
*raises hand*
;D
*raises hand*
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 09, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: PLEXI on Feb 09, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
*Cautiously raises hand*
>_>'
>_>'
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 06:31:00 PM
I enjoyed it tremendously. Though the storyline isn't original. It was a great Science Fiction film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
I loved the visual effects, but I just can't get past the piss-weak story and cliches. It's hard for me to enjoy a film when I can predict it a mile away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 09, 2010, 06:52:45 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 09, 2010, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
So, who actually thoroughly enjoyed it besides it apparently being a rip off of Dances With Wolves (which I haven't seen)?
*raises hand*
;D
Me. =P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 07:05:52 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
I loved the visual effects, but I just can't get past the piss-weak story and cliches. It's hard for me to enjoy a film when I can predict it a mile away.
I actually couldn't predict any of it, it's probably just me but I don't understand how. (Probably because I haven't seen Dances With Wolves which everybody seems to compare it to.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
Not just that. It's also a matter of, knowing the traditional story elements. Boy meets girl, no one approves, evil colonial/imperial power comes into play, and boy saves girl's family.
It doesn't need any comparison, but it's cliched.
It doesn't need any comparison, but it's cliched.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 07:31:53 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 07:31:53 PM
I still don't see it if I'm completely honest. I've never seen a movie like it, nor a story like it. I guess I'm one of the few different ones. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Have you read Romeo and Juliet?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
I loved the visual effects, but I just can't get past the piss-weak story and cliches. It's hard for me to enjoy a film when I can predict it a mile away.
I predicted it but it was always in the best way. I mean everytime something happened prediction worthy i sat there thinking "Oh c'mon fill in blank just fill in blank C'MON!!" and generally it did leaving me with a "f**k yea" sort feeling.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Glad to hear it, but I'm the type of person that if I see it coming, I'm less satisfied with the end result.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 08:38:50 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Glad to hear it, but I'm the type of person that if I see it coming, I'm less satisfied with the end result.
I would totally agree in most cases but this hit me differently for some reason.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Have you read Romeo and Juliet?
Nope.
Remember to keep in mind that I'm 15. ;)
(but nowhere near a stereotypical teen)
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
Two opposites fall in love.
Two rival families want to kill each other.
People die.
Two rival families want to kill each other.
People die.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 09:51:33 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 09:51:33 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
Two opposites fall in love.
Two rival families want to kill each other.
People die.
You forgot Leo
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 09:52:43 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:23:01 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Have you read Romeo and Juliet?
Remember to keep in mind that I'm 15. ;)
(but nowhere near a stereotypical teen)
:D
What does that have to do with anything? I read it when I was 14.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 09, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
Two opposites fall in love.
Two rival families want to kill each other.
People die.
I know what it's about, I'm not completely culture-less :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 09:52:43 PMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 09:23:01 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Have you read Romeo and Juliet?
Remember to keep in mind that I'm 15. ;)
(but nowhere near a stereotypical teen)
:D
What does that have to do with anything? I read it when I was 14.
I haven't read it. And I'm assuming most other 15 year olds wouldn't have either, but I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
It was part of our required reading pretty early on in school for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 09, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Feb 09, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Never read, all i've done is seen the 90's movie version and the 60's movie version. 60's movie version is awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Every other class in my school besides mine read it, our class had to read Twelfth Night (which was God-awful).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Every other class in my school besides mine read it, our class had to read Twelfth Night (which was God-awful).
Man i like Shakespere but 12th night is the worst, ugh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Totally agree. Apart from the liking Shakespeare part. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:12:45 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Totally agree. Apart from the liking Shakespeare part. ;)
Hamlet is pretty kickass, i guess that's mainly what i think of.
I still love the Hamlet dream from Last Action Hero.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:23:33 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:23:33 PM
I knew the overall story (as I do with 99% of movies before going in) and generally agree it's predictable, but there were times I didn't know exactly how it would play out which was able to delay what you thought was inevitable, adding a minor amount of unpredictability (but not much). Even with no twists, it's extremely entertaining and completely transcends to a level of immersion I've never experienced in a movie. The movie was able to tell a lot through emotion of the characters, something of which would take so many unnecessary words to an effect that is much less visceral.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 09, 2010, 10:27:26 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 09, 2010, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: Peteysodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:12:45 PMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Totally agree. Apart from the liking Shakespeare part. ;)
Hamlet is pretty kickass, i guess that's mainly what i think of.
I still love the Hamlet dream from Last Action Hero.
Hamlet rocks!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmichaelontheair.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F12%2Fhamlet.gif&hash=4d0e19c8fe14563902b6667c84deff1cc30efba3)
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
Post by: FearPeteySodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:23:33 PM
I knew the overall story (as I do with 99% of movies before going in) and generally agree it's predictable, but there were times I didn't know exactly how it would play out which was able to delay what you thought was inevitable, adding a minor amount of unpredictability (but not much). Even with no twists, it's extremely entertaining and completely transcends to a level of immersion I've never experienced in a movie. The movie was able to tell a lot through emotion of the characters, something of which would take so many unnecessary words to an effect that is much less visceral.
Well said, i feel the same way about the sense of immersion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 10:51:23 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2010, 10:51:23 PM
My point with bringing up R&J was that, it's a story that's been told over a thousand times, and it's become old and tired. Avatar used it, much like Titanic did, and it bored the hell out of me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 10, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 10, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 09, 2010, 10:27:26 PMQuote from: Peteysodes on Feb 09, 2010, 10:12:45 PMQuote from: Purebreedalien on Feb 09, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Totally agree. Apart from the liking Shakespeare part. ;)
Hamlet is pretty kickass, i guess that's mainly what i think of.
I still love the Hamlet dream from Last Action Hero.
Hamlet rocks!
http://michaelontheair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/hamlet.gif
;D
Oh, you and Mel Gibson.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 10, 2010, 03:46:46 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 10, 2010, 03:46:46 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 09, 2010, 10:27:26 PM
Hamlet rocks!
http://michaelontheair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/hamlet.gif
;D
You know most incarnations of Hamlet...when you watch it..you can tell the actors really do not understand what the words actually mean....to me that didn't happen with Mel...he said the lines and you knew that he actually knew what they meant...you know?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 10, 2010, 04:51:45 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 10, 2010, 04:51:45 AM
I prefer Schwarzenegger's interpretation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N-BHH4B31A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N-BHH4B31A
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 10, 2010, 07:43:49 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Feb 10, 2010, 07:43:49 AM
That is full of win! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
Ok, I know I am a bit late, but have finally saw AVATAR in 2-D (can't dig 3-D not even at gun point) and I agree fully with those that say it has a weak plot, weak characters, weak setting...
The first thing I thought after watching this clearly over-hyped movie was 'So this is great and Final Fantasy : The Spirits within is bad?'... This shows that yesterday's crap is today's masterpiece...
I enjoyed very much FF:TSW because it had a plot, it had memorable characters, it had subtext and clearly it had drama. I actually missed the passing of the CG characters in that movie. In AVATAR, not even one...
SPOILER AHEAD:
Well, maybe Sigourney's character... BUt even that one was done in typical Jim Cameron's fashion: quick, easy and painless... I often wonder why Jim even bothers writing because, like in 'Titanic', his characters and plot feel so hollow I amazes me how T and now A could be nominated, even awarded, for it's sheer lack of depth and memorability.
I mean, Titanic had for it the historical disaster it (very inaccurately) portrayed and all the mystique it carried tthrough generations, including mine, but AVATAR had no science whatsoever (so, a vortex enabled the lack of gravity to allow for the fluctuating rocks but enabled the gravity necessary to make the waterfalls? Yeah, right! Or the bio-link between humanoids and beasts, clearly understating Nature's subservience to Man... very controversial, IMHO) and very lame, overused, over-the-top fiction.
I often wonder why the Academy continuously nominate movies that are only memorable in their form, not their contents. I mean, I like a CG-fest like anyone else, but without a good story, good characters, how can this be considered a good movie?
I mean, I mentioned The Spirits Within, but I could mention Kaena or Beowulf and others.
I mean, they are more memorable, more worthy in terms of storytelling, CG-mimickry of human traits, plot, characters and the message within, not to mention the way it is told.
I think it offends those movies to have one that lacks longlasting value just because of the 3-D thing (just a tool, an artifice, not a quality in itself) when in 2-D it clearly shows it's omnipresent faults, even in terms of CG, clearly showing the Nav'i as the CG they are... When you mingle humans with CG, the CG always gives... And AVATAR showed, in multiple occasions, that the CG is not perfect, it lacks in various moments more care in terms of physics, mouvement (the beasts and 'horses' running was a clear example of that) and even though the facial mimickry of the Nav'i was good, their mouvements lack the subtlety the humans they mo-cap, we, have...
That has always been the failure of CG to me: it SHOWS it's CG, with it's fake lighting, fake skin, fake motions...The best CG like Gollum and now the NAv'i clearly show their fakeness because there is always something that gives...every single time...
Gollum had trouble with lip mouvement, with WETA always having to exaggerate the lip mouvements, when our own lip mouvements are subtle and almost imperceptible.
But it could be argued that Gollum is a twisted perversion of a once more human-like creature, a Hobbit.
One of the clear moments I thought the CG was a failure was when Neytiri discovered she was betrayed by Jake. If there was a woman, the emotions conveyed by her face would be so much richer than what ended up portrayed in the CG girl's face. That was a perfect example for me that CG is still way too far from replacing live-action actors... It looks, feels and sounds artificial.
And, of course, the feeble, shallow, overused, easily predictable Apocalyto-like story didn't help matters to me. I KNEW exactly when the Coronel was firing his weapon, that Grace would be injured. I mean, that's how predictable the movie was. There wasn't a single event on this movie that was unpredictable, surprising or, wait for it, ORIGINAL.
Even the CG was too 'ALIEN', too artificial to think it could exist. I mean,I already mentioned the 'waterfalls in lack of gravity' and the 'humanoid physical bio-links to various animals' knwing full well that our humanoid posture is the result of a multi-million-year evolution that set us apart from our simian cousins. Here, strangely, the biolink is enabled by a physical manifestation of Nature, let's call it GAEA (to approximate it to the previous movie that already portrayed the Nature spirit, that in AVATAR is called Ewya) resulting in 'too much alieness' in a movie that was supposed to, at the very least, suspend our disbelief for the first hour...
I think that the 3-D tried to compensate the sheer lack of realism in every single aspect of this story, but using a VERY ARTIFICIAL way to engulf the viewers in it's superficially formidable spectacle.
I was disappointed when I saw it, namely the lack of what I feel is the core of any movie, which is the story, the characters and the way the narrative unfolds and reaches it's climax.
In a word, this is a typical Jimbo movie: all spectacle, no content.
And this is the prime candidate for the Oscars, my friends...! The mighty truly have fallen indeed!
???
PS - And to think The Dark Knight was left out of the Oscars last year and now we have 8 movies candidate to Best Movie... Well, too little, too late...! :-[
The first thing I thought after watching this clearly over-hyped movie was 'So this is great and Final Fantasy : The Spirits within is bad?'... This shows that yesterday's crap is today's masterpiece...
I enjoyed very much FF:TSW because it had a plot, it had memorable characters, it had subtext and clearly it had drama. I actually missed the passing of the CG characters in that movie. In AVATAR, not even one...
SPOILER AHEAD:
Well, maybe Sigourney's character... BUt even that one was done in typical Jim Cameron's fashion: quick, easy and painless... I often wonder why Jim even bothers writing because, like in 'Titanic', his characters and plot feel so hollow I amazes me how T and now A could be nominated, even awarded, for it's sheer lack of depth and memorability.
I mean, Titanic had for it the historical disaster it (very inaccurately) portrayed and all the mystique it carried tthrough generations, including mine, but AVATAR had no science whatsoever (so, a vortex enabled the lack of gravity to allow for the fluctuating rocks but enabled the gravity necessary to make the waterfalls? Yeah, right! Or the bio-link between humanoids and beasts, clearly understating Nature's subservience to Man... very controversial, IMHO) and very lame, overused, over-the-top fiction.
I often wonder why the Academy continuously nominate movies that are only memorable in their form, not their contents. I mean, I like a CG-fest like anyone else, but without a good story, good characters, how can this be considered a good movie?
I mean, I mentioned The Spirits Within, but I could mention Kaena or Beowulf and others.
I mean, they are more memorable, more worthy in terms of storytelling, CG-mimickry of human traits, plot, characters and the message within, not to mention the way it is told.
I think it offends those movies to have one that lacks longlasting value just because of the 3-D thing (just a tool, an artifice, not a quality in itself) when in 2-D it clearly shows it's omnipresent faults, even in terms of CG, clearly showing the Nav'i as the CG they are... When you mingle humans with CG, the CG always gives... And AVATAR showed, in multiple occasions, that the CG is not perfect, it lacks in various moments more care in terms of physics, mouvement (the beasts and 'horses' running was a clear example of that) and even though the facial mimickry of the Nav'i was good, their mouvements lack the subtlety the humans they mo-cap, we, have...
That has always been the failure of CG to me: it SHOWS it's CG, with it's fake lighting, fake skin, fake motions...The best CG like Gollum and now the NAv'i clearly show their fakeness because there is always something that gives...every single time...
Gollum had trouble with lip mouvement, with WETA always having to exaggerate the lip mouvements, when our own lip mouvements are subtle and almost imperceptible.
But it could be argued that Gollum is a twisted perversion of a once more human-like creature, a Hobbit.
One of the clear moments I thought the CG was a failure was when Neytiri discovered she was betrayed by Jake. If there was a woman, the emotions conveyed by her face would be so much richer than what ended up portrayed in the CG girl's face. That was a perfect example for me that CG is still way too far from replacing live-action actors... It looks, feels and sounds artificial.
And, of course, the feeble, shallow, overused, easily predictable Apocalyto-like story didn't help matters to me. I KNEW exactly when the Coronel was firing his weapon, that Grace would be injured. I mean, that's how predictable the movie was. There wasn't a single event on this movie that was unpredictable, surprising or, wait for it, ORIGINAL.
Even the CG was too 'ALIEN', too artificial to think it could exist. I mean,I already mentioned the 'waterfalls in lack of gravity' and the 'humanoid physical bio-links to various animals' knwing full well that our humanoid posture is the result of a multi-million-year evolution that set us apart from our simian cousins. Here, strangely, the biolink is enabled by a physical manifestation of Nature, let's call it GAEA (to approximate it to the previous movie that already portrayed the Nature spirit, that in AVATAR is called Ewya) resulting in 'too much alieness' in a movie that was supposed to, at the very least, suspend our disbelief for the first hour...
I think that the 3-D tried to compensate the sheer lack of realism in every single aspect of this story, but using a VERY ARTIFICIAL way to engulf the viewers in it's superficially formidable spectacle.
I was disappointed when I saw it, namely the lack of what I feel is the core of any movie, which is the story, the characters and the way the narrative unfolds and reaches it's climax.
In a word, this is a typical Jimbo movie: all spectacle, no content.
And this is the prime candidate for the Oscars, my friends...! The mighty truly have fallen indeed!
???
PS - And to think The Dark Knight was left out of the Oscars last year and now we have 8 movies candidate to Best Movie... Well, too little, too late...! :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 02:49:45 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
I mean, Titanic had for it the historical disaster it (very inaccurately) portrayed and all the mystique it carried through generations, including mine, but AVATAR had no science whatsoever (so, a vortex enabled the lack of gravity to allow for the fluctuating rocks but enabled the gravity necessary to make the waterfalls? Yeah, right!
Remember the floaty rock of "Unobtainium" the company guy had in his office? Those floating rocks were in those mountains, it wasn't caused by the vortex.
Speaking of which, the name "Unobtainium" was the only outright bad thing in that movie. Even though the plot was a bit cliche, which I admit, hearing the name of that goddamn rock was the only thing in that movie that made me cringe. You can't name something after a goddamn TV Trops article. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Unobtainium) >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 10, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 10, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
But scientists have been using the term Unobtainium for years!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 02:49:45 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
I mean, Titanic had for it the historical disaster it (very inaccurately) portrayed and all the mystique it carried through generations, including mine, but AVATAR had no science whatsoever (so, a vortex enabled the lack of gravity to allow for the fluctuating rocks but enabled the gravity necessary to make the waterfalls? Yeah, right!
Remember the floaty rock of "Unobtainium" the company guy had in his office? Those floating rocks were in those mountains, it wasn't caused by the vortex.
Speaking of which, the name "Unobtainium" was the only outright bad thing in that movie. Even though the plot was a bit cliche, which I admit, hearing the name of that goddamn rock was the only thing in that movie that made me cringe. You can't name something after a goddamn TV Trops article. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Unobtainium) >:(
Navaha, i was talking purely in terms of astronomical physics, namely that the only thing that would prevent that piece of rock to float endlessly would be the gravitational force, but the fact that it floats without changing its location means that there is a counterpart force preventing it from moving... So, the two forces would be null, hence why the falling water makes absolutely no sense... check the laws of Newton fro the specifics... The same laws of physics we know and that, curiously enough, are enforced throughout the actions of the Nav'i hunters and the sky dragons (can't recall their name at the moment).
That piece of rock, since it has mass, it would be ruled by the same laws of gravity defended by Isaac Newton.
It may seem that I had to look up for this to be bitchy about the movie, but I think that the more educated you are about what you are watching, the more ridiculously obvious something like this becomes.
That waterfall is in some of the posters, right there for you to see it...
The name of the precious metal is ridiculous, I agree, but there were far more ridiculous aspects of this movie worth noting than that obviously lazy name given by Cameron to the rock ( or metal, can't tell nor WASN'T told).
For me, the total lack of physics in a movie, especially in a so-called 'SCIENCE-fiction' one, makes it cartoony, like the deaths in PC games were before Havok was invented.
What disappoints me though is that after TDK I thought that blockbuster movies would be having more depth... more brains than brawn...and then AVATAR showed up! What a disappointment!
Another de-brained eye-candy spectacle without a shred of lasting effect... And no, 3-D still sounds and looks ridiculous ever since it showed up... If a movie is only worth for that, then it shows how weak it really is...
Like I said, The Spirits Within, Beowulf and even Kaena had far lasting effect on me than this ever will...
And it will offend those movies and their makers if this movie earns awards for Best Picture at the Academy Awards... But they also gave it to TITANIC, which is another example of 'form over content':good VFX but cheesy, disgusting at times (the spitting scene) and predictable love story that if not for the second half of the movie (the collision and wreck part - the CG part) would be deemed for DVD-only...
CG-wise, I have seen a lot better, a lot more balanced movies such as the above mentioned, and even though the nominated movies this year leave a lot to be desired, The Inglorious Basterds one was ver fun to watch, especially the now legendary Coronel Landa (Christoph Waltz).
But that is a subject for another thread...
;D
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 10, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
But scientists have been using the term Unobtainium for years!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
Well, it seems then that not only Jimbo was lazy, but also (surprise, surprise) UNORIGINAL!
I actually think that Jimbo didn't worry much about the name, because he didn't even bother to define what that rock or metal really was, for what use it was, etc...
I actually think that if you don't even bother to explain things on-screen, they become worthless and just part of the scenery... Just a lame motivation to wipe out an entire 'city'...
Jim's trademark unidimensional storytelling does that a lot... ! :o :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 10, 2010, 05:19:50 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 10, 2010, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PMOne of the clear moments I thought the CG was a failure was when Neytiri discovered she was betrayed by Jake. If there was a woman, the emotions conveyed by her face would be so much richer than what ended up portrayed in the CG girl's face. That was a perfect example for me that CG is still way too far from replacing live-action actors... It looks, feels and sounds artificial.
There are numerous behind the scenes videos of this exact scene that compare Zoe to Neytiri's final performance, and it's pretty much the same.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Feb 10, 2010, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 01:24:02 PMOne of the clear moments I thought the CG was a failure was when Neytiri discovered she was betrayed by Jake. If there was a woman, the emotions conveyed by her face would be so much richer than what ended up portrayed in the CG girl's face. That was a perfect example for me that CG is still way too far from replacing live-action actors... It looks, feels and sounds artificial.
There are numerous behind the scenes videos of this exact scene that compare Zoe to Neytiri's final performance, and it's pretty much the same.
Yeah, I saw some of them, and it is clear in them that Zoe's performance is much more realistic than wha Neytiri portrayed...in terms of conveying emotions like rage, etc... Neytiri was bland and pure CG in terms of emotions...Gollum was much more believable at that than her... Just check again when Gollum hears his name Smeagol for the first time again as a clear example of CG conveying emotion...
Besides, I watched Andy Serkis performance and compared it with Zoe's and the funny thing is that in TLOTR Gollum ended up having Andy's facial expressions tweaked and augmented to be more explicit in emotion-showing whether Zoe's facial expressions were way exaggerated and ended up with Neytiri's underwhelming expressions... And whenever tehre was a close-up of her, boy, if that's not a blatant example of a CG VFX, then I don't know what is... in various shots, not all of them, her face moved the wrong way, her nose, her body, etc...
I think the best ones were where she was shot from afar, like when she was flying around with her dragon transporter...
Any closeup showed they were artificial... And trust me, I am a CGI movie freak... Have you seen Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within? That's CG from a decade ago and it still looks more believable than this, but that is maybe because they were CG humans and not ridiculous 'humanoid Thundercats meet Smurf-like Apocalypto indians'...
Actually, Apocalypto was far more enticing, but Mel Gibson is a much better director than Jim,story and drama-wise... Braveheart is a masterpiece...Avatar...? Will be the movie that ridicules the Academy for years to come! Jim winning a movie that was almost all done by WETA Digital...They're the ones that should be winning it, not Jim... He is not even nominated for Best Screenplay... Last bit of sense from a self-absorbed Academy that has lost its' bearings for more than a decade now...
And to think that TDK was brushed off for movies like Benjamin Button that has a ridiculous premise to begin with...
And now they are atrying to overcompensate by making an 80% animation - 20% real people with no memorable story, no memorable characters, no memorable lines, no memorable anything... just some popcorn crunching OVERLONG spectacle with great unrealistic vistas that look fake and indeed ARE fake... why not filming it in China or other coountries and just add CG enhancements... because it was too cheap perhaps...
No matter how much this movie earns (FOX should be thankful their motto 'lots of CG and no story' paid off this time because now they have the money to do some decent Alien movies which, let's face it, we are all in need of...) ... :o ;D
probably they will waste in a useless sequel to milk more money out of the poor souls who endured this nonsense for more than one viewing...
And don't make me start about the suicidal ones... I think it explains why people tend to exacerbate the value of junk! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 10, 2010, 06:34:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 10, 2010, 06:34:08 PM
I can buy that moisture accumulation can build up in such a high geological structure from constant bombardment of clouds that would cause the water discharge to occur. As far as the physics properties allowing water escape is much less unclear, if even possible. It's also one of those instances to be chalked up as "in the realm of science fiction" possibility. "Unobtainium", the mystery element in the movie, has many unknowns that could allow such occurrences or it could be just teetering on the line between sci-fi and fantasy. Seeing waterfalls made me think, though ultimately making me come to the conclusion that it's probably unlikely it would occur, but the properties of Unobtainium are most likely undefined and mysterious for those reasons. We don't, for the most part, care why it can do what it does... We just like to see that it can. :P Though I agree an explanation of how this occurs, at some point, would be nice while not exactly a pivoting factor in the first movie's plot. More on that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
The MacGuffin can sometimes be ambiguous, completely undefined, generic or left open to interpretation.
The MacGuffin is common in films, especially thrillers. Commonly, though not always, the MacGuffin is the central focus of the film in the first act, and later declines in importance as the struggles and motivations of characters play out. Sometimes the MacGuffin is even forgotten by the end of the film.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
I actually think that Jimbo didn't worry much about the name, because he didn't even bother to define what that rock or metal really was, for what use it was, etc...
I actually think that if you don't even bother to explain things on-screen, they become worthless and just part of the scenery...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
The MacGuffin can sometimes be ambiguous, completely undefined, generic or left open to interpretation.
The MacGuffin is common in films, especially thrillers. Commonly, though not always, the MacGuffin is the central focus of the film in the first act, and later declines in importance as the struggles and motivations of characters play out. Sometimes the MacGuffin is even forgotten by the end of the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 07:05:27 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 10, 2010, 07:05:27 PM
Regarding the first part, Cellien, I was talking about the gravity pull and the inertia force stated in Newton's laws of physics... And by science-fiction, I understand a piece of fiction that could happen in terms of the science involved'... Those things in the clouds have as sole explanationa a vortex, namely, a force that lifts the chunks of rock up but have the waterfalls going, huh, downwards, as a clear violation of the physical principles that state that a body that goes in a defined direction, if unopposed,would fly away, but if those chunks remain in place, and if the upwards force of the vortex was the sole force here, then the water would go upwards as well, not downwards... This is simple physics... It would require a counterforce to maintain the chunk in the same orbit,namely here on the same spot.
Check this for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
About the secon one, being Unobtanium the central, main, only reason why the story of Jake and the NAv'i unfolds and why the military destroy the Onetree or whatever it's called, I think that principle you mention is not applicable here because it remains central to understand why the military think it is so darn important to destroy an entire race just to do some mining under it... Without the explanation ebing visible and/or plausible for explaining the characters', heroic and villainous alike, behaviors, then it becomes a big deal, because this hole together with the myriad of other ones more or less expected, especially coming from Cameron, then it becomes a problem, a true suspension of disbelief nightmare. Not that the blue Nav'i humanoid cats provided a big SOD there...
I think that if Jim did virtual full body shots and foreground prosthetic augmented facial ones it would provide a much better effect and be less costly... WETA proved she can do it with TLOTR and it is funny to remember that it was JIM who once said that 'real is better'!...It seeems he clearly has forgotten that... This is the most CG-heavy movie he ever did and when that happens,something's gotta give...
But to be on track again, you're right, Cellien...Like I said before, the Unobtanium thing is the least troubling aspect of this movie for me...! ;)
Check this for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
About the secon one, being Unobtanium the central, main, only reason why the story of Jake and the NAv'i unfolds and why the military destroy the Onetree or whatever it's called, I think that principle you mention is not applicable here because it remains central to understand why the military think it is so darn important to destroy an entire race just to do some mining under it... Without the explanation ebing visible and/or plausible for explaining the characters', heroic and villainous alike, behaviors, then it becomes a big deal, because this hole together with the myriad of other ones more or less expected, especially coming from Cameron, then it becomes a problem, a true suspension of disbelief nightmare. Not that the blue Nav'i humanoid cats provided a big SOD there...
I think that if Jim did virtual full body shots and foreground prosthetic augmented facial ones it would provide a much better effect and be less costly... WETA proved she can do it with TLOTR and it is funny to remember that it was JIM who once said that 'real is better'!...It seeems he clearly has forgotten that... This is the most CG-heavy movie he ever did and when that happens,something's gotta give...
But to be on track again, you're right, Cellien...Like I said before, the Unobtanium thing is the least troubling aspect of this movie for me...! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 10, 2010, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 10, 2010, 08:45:38 PM
I suppose the "rock's" importance could be questioned by the end of the film. I felt that the love between Jake and Neytiri (sp) and their struggles to deal with "inter-species relations" :P becomes the central focus along with everything Jake experienced to motivate his actions against the RDA. Even Quaritch becomes engulfed in a fight that is largely "personal" frustration with Jake and the other "hippies", despite what specific reason they ended up on the planet. The rock is interchangeable with anything for motive, but the discovery between Jake and Neytiri's taboo relationship and the struggles associated with it is what I found to be the thick of the story.
The only reason the rock is mentioned is to tell us why they ended up there and set up. It's importance drops sharply and really doesn't need much more explanation for what exactly it's used for. We already know it's because of the high dollar figure per kilo. It's uses are purposely "ambiguous, completely undefined, generic or left open to interpretation" as the link I provided suggests because nothing there is required to move the story forward.
The only reason the rock is mentioned is to tell us why they ended up there and set up. It's importance drops sharply and really doesn't need much more explanation for what exactly it's used for. We already know it's because of the high dollar figure per kilo. It's uses are purposely "ambiguous, completely undefined, generic or left open to interpretation" as the link I provided suggests because nothing there is required to move the story forward.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
YutaniDitch, I just wanted to correct you on one thing: The vortex is not the reason the Unobtanium floats, the floating is a basic property of the material, as the piece of it on the company guy's desk (sorry, I'm bad at remembering names, okay? :P) floated in absence of the vortex, which I assumed was some sort of energy output from the Tree of Souls. Although there's nothing to say the vortex couldn't have originally given the Unobtanium that property, it doesn't need to be within the vortex to function.
You may continue your fanboy slapfight now. :P
You may continue your fanboy slapfight now. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 10, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 10, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
I heard before hand about unobtanium being a common term. It was yet another disappointment that Cameron was too lazy to think up a new name.
And that vortex thing, I was hoping it was something to do with Pandora's relationship with the gas giant - ie. gravity or magnetic fields on the part of the planet directly facing the primary. Or something like that.
Standby for Siggy to return as an avatar of Eywa Obi-Wan style in the sequel Avatars to explain it all.
And that vortex thing, I was hoping it was something to do with Pandora's relationship with the gas giant - ie. gravity or magnetic fields on the part of the planet directly facing the primary. Or something like that.
Standby for Siggy to return as an avatar of Eywa Obi-Wan style in the sequel Avatars to explain it all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2010, 06:08:36 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2010, 06:08:36 AM
The scriptment actually mentions something along those lines. His darker version in that story was more impressive than what we got on screen.
I have the PDF, I could post it on here sometime tomorrow after I get back from work and get back on my desktop.
I have the PDF, I could post it on here sometime tomorrow after I get back from work and get back on my desktop.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 12, 2010, 01:26:44 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 12, 2010, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Feb 10, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
YutaniDitch, I just wanted to correct you on one thing: The vortex is not the reason the Unobtanium floats, the floating is a basic property of the material, as the piece of it on the company guy's desk (sorry, I'm bad at remembering names, okay? :P) floated in absence of the vortex, which I assumed was some sort of energy output from the Tree of Souls. Although there's nothing to say the vortex couldn't have originally given the Unobtanium that property, it doesn't need to be within the vortex to function.
You may continue your fanboy slapfight now. :P
WARNING - LENGTHY EXPOSÉ ahead
Suggestion from poster to the reader: you can just skip the lengthy exposé by reading the bolded highlights... Anything to help my fellow posters to endure what has been my trademark...
-END OF WARNING-
Still, we are left with the waterfalls' 'weird' physics... yes, eye-candy, but like the rest of the movie, devoided of any realism... And we should not forget that this movie has real humans in it, so the laws of physics do apply in this movie...
I actually think this movie should be nominated for Best Animation movie and not Best Picture, and I think they only included Up in the list of Best Picture Nominees because of A) the fallout that resulted from not having nominated Wall-E and TDK last yea, and b) to legitimise having an Animation movie such as AVATAR being front runner for Best Pic! OMG!
I can't even say this without becoming totally dismayed: 'AVATAR as the front-runner for Best Pic of 2009'... :o
Here's hoping they included all the other 8 nominees ( :o) to legitimise NOT GIVING IT to AVATAR!
I really feel disappointed that the Academy is 'lowering the bar for excellence' this vertiginously...!
And that the once ridiculed 3-D is now being the prime seller of an otherwise lame movie with lame story and lame characters...!
This shows the change of times for the worst, when a simple CG movie showed in 3-D is enough to win Academy awards and be the top BO movie of all time, without inflation factored in.
I know the reasons pointed for the BO are from the higher ticket prices of 3-D screenings to the December-January worse movies dumping'... Which kinda makes me think that with the holidays, this would actually be the BEST time, after the SUMMER, to release blockbusters... OH well...
Here's hoping the Academy comes back to their senses eventually and stop the raping of the Oscars that have done since awarding 'Shakespeare in Love' instead of 'Saving Private Ryan', which is a clearly superior movie, the past decade or so, with Oscars being given not because of their inherent quality, but to please lobbies and artificially increase audiences.
I have watched all the Oscar cerimonies over the last decade and a half, so I can feel the downwards spiral this once prestigious award has taken over the last few years...
AVATAR may just be the final nail in the coffin for me... Because given the competition, awarding this movie except for the more technical aspects of it [VFX, SoundFX - even though they were nothing extraordinary, just a refinement of previous wiork (just confront with Beowulf and Final Fantasy - TSW to understand my meaning)], It will slap the other movies, more fulfilling and more carefully and heartfeltly crafted, with more story,memorable characters, and equally proficiently crafted even on technological and technical terms.
I don't know about you, but I would give the BP award to the most complete movie, with overall quality and not just in one aspect of it, the technical one...
But I am not the Academy and satisfyingly so... Because the Oscars are no longer synonym of awarding quality moviemaking, but selling out for the audiences and movie industry lobbies.
Another shameful and blatant example of the Hollywood of late...'late' meaning the last few decades...
This is not hating the movie, which was OK overall, just 'OK', which for me, is actually bad becaue when a movie fails to impress me, it means that it is bad, because a movie should always bring up emotions towards it, and not indifference.
I mean, I was more satisfied with the CG animation movies I mentioned earlier than with this one, and I can't understand how the same critics can give 44% to The Spirits Within and 82% to this one, when TSW has more story, more believable and memorable characters and settings... I can only imagine if Sakaguchi were to make TSW in 3-D, probably it would have greater ratings or if he had done it today, it would earn billions of dollars... :o ::)
OK, AVATAR is the biggest BO movie, sinking Titanic for a second time :D , it has earned the Golden Globe award for best movie in the drama category (I am telling ya, I bursted into tears of laughter when I heard that one, given Cameron, whose movie history is filled with cheesy, unoriginal and dull acting winning the DRAMA category) and now that I finally saw it, I am even more appalled, dumbfounded at the ludicrousness of the whole thing)...
How can I not think of 'sellout' when I see things like these?
OK, I am overlong again... The slapfest is over, Navaha... :D Though I should correct you, I am not technically called a 'fan', but the most commonly known 'hater' ;D. Even though I don't hate the movie itself, just the ill-conceived praise and awards it has received.
I usually don't overcriticise ANIMATION movies such as these, because they are usually done for the kiddies and so they don't usually aim at having complex plots, just being kiddie-firiendly. Therefore, they are almost critic-proof... BUt when you include an ANIMATION movie for the first time as a Best Picture, one can only think about the much better ones, like Wall-E, Happy Feet, Shrek, The Incredibles, that won Best Animation Movie awards and others that did not even get nominated like the ones I mentioned before, which deserved so much more to be there than this one.
One can't disguise the disappointment this nomination bears to all those animation fans out there who have seen better and now have the least memorable of all finally be nominated Best Picture.
When you think the Academy can't get any worse, wait, actually they can! :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 12, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 12, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
QuoteFinal Fantasy : The Spirits within is bad?'
Well that movie was crap since it had nothing to do with the series at all, and the movie was in works since 1996 or 1997. It was Godzilla 1998 of FF.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 12, 2010, 09:45:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 12, 2010, 09:45:34 PM
Thats.... some heavy use of bold. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 13, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 13, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 12, 2010, 08:28:35 PMQuoteFinal Fantasy : The Spirits within is bad?'
Well that movie was crap since it had nothing to do with the series at all, and the movie was in works since 1996 or 1997.
That is the worst excuse I have ever heard. The movie is good, but you don't like it because it doesn't have anything to do with FF?
Every FF game is different from the last, which makes this movie much easier to see as a FF movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 13, 2010, 03:35:23 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 13, 2010, 03:35:23 AM
I own it on Blu-Ray... That's about all I can say. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 13, 2010, 04:26:56 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 13, 2010, 04:26:56 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 13, 2010, 03:35:23 AM
I own it on Blu-Ray... That's about all I can say. :D
Same here! It's gorgeous.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vemados on Feb 14, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
Post by: Vemados on Feb 14, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
Advent Children was. The. Shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 14, 2010, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 14, 2010, 10:12:01 PM
QuoteI actually think this movie should be nominated for Best Animation movie and not Best Picture
I disagree. I think the Best Animated flick category should be ditched altogether and animated flicks should just be in the Best Picture category. Up was better than Avatar. And just having seen District 9 on the weekend, it was also better than Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 14, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 14, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Only 10 percent of the movie was keyframe animated. Tails, ears, etc.
-cinefex
The rest was all captured.
-cinefex
The rest was all captured.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
avatar is an awesome film great story lots of emotion and awesome special effects (so good they give you a headache ;D) i think zoe saldana should have got oscar nomination serkis did for gollum i think so why not?
i give it 10/10 8)
there is a lot of "heartless giovanni ribisis capitalist scum character gets me hard" types of avatar haters out there (they disguise it by saying its not very original or i didnt like the dialogue or even the absurd racism claims ::)) they should not be trusted in our society :P :P :P lol
and if you aint down with that i got 2 words for ya :P ;D
i give it 10/10 8)
there is a lot of "heartless giovanni ribisis capitalist scum character gets me hard" types of avatar haters out there (they disguise it by saying its not very original or i didnt like the dialogue or even the absurd racism claims ::)) they should not be trusted in our society :P :P :P lol
and if you aint down with that i got 2 words for ya :P ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Stop trolling
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
stop spamming
this thread is about the film avatar so stay on topic
this thread is about the film avatar so stay on topic
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 03:37:40 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 03:37:40 PM
Yeah, how's it trolling? It's the Avatar thread, he wouldn't be the first to review it here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2010, 04:20:30 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2010, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Stop trolling
He isn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 15, 2010, 05:08:18 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 15, 2010, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Feb 14, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Only 10 percent of the movie was keyframe animated. Tails, ears, etc.
-cinefex
The rest was all captured.
Are you talking about AVATAR? Beowulf was Mo-Cap, so was The Spirits Within. Hell, even Two-Face in TDK was Mo-cap! It is still Computer-Generated people and places. CG is a VFX, and Mo-Cap is a tool of VFX, as it was to create Gollum (Andy Serkis gave the performance, but it was 'physically' created in a computer nonetheless).
I admire the technology involved, don't get me wrong, and the evolution it marks, but CG is just a tool, not an end in itself...! ;)
I still prefer humans to CG, and AVATAR proves that... The mere fact that they had to have actors doing the facial mimickry and body moves and fights, shows that CG will never replace humans, only in Animation movies suh as these... Because CG is not yet perfect, even though I actually thought that the Aliens in District 9 were very well done... The inclusion if CG-creatures in a human environment blend them more than the other way around, like in AVATAR... I think that what aditionally gave the CG away was the sheer lack of realism and science in the world Cameron created: the flora was ludicrous, the all-too humanoid aliens (Am I supposed to believe the Nav'i kiss on the mouth like we humans do, knowing full well that even among us, a kiss on the mouth is culturally ambivalent?) I mean, did the Indians in the Amazon forest kiss on the mouth? Or the Aztecs? Do the Russians kiss eachother on the cheeks? Does a mother kiss his child on the lips? Cultural evolution does not bode well with a race that is light years away from ours...
Aliens should and certainly would ACT ALIEN... the humanization of aliens make them lose their alien-ess and so they become all too human, like Indians (Aztecs, Native-Americans...) And that clearly make them lose what makes them Alien in the first place...
I love the Xenomorph because it looks very alien, from their gestation, their blood, their behavior, their adaptation to the host DNA...
I could believe a creature like that could exist...THAT's science-fiction...
These Nav'i Aliens? not really... They look too much like Native-Americans, like the Amazon Indians, the Aztecs of Mel Gibson's Apocalypto...
But I digress... :-[ ;)
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2010, 10:12:01 PMQuoteI actually think this movie should be nominated for Best Animation movie and not Best Picture
I disagree. I think the Best Animated flick category should be ditched altogether and animated flicks should just be in the Best Picture category. Up was better than Avatar. And just having seen District 9 on the weekend, it was also better than Avatar.
Hence why I think the Animation movies should not mingle with the real-life ones... When you start mixing the two, only one should survive... In that case, I agree with you, SM...
Quote from: Mikey on Feb 13, 2010, 04:26:56 AMQuote from: Cellien on Feb 13, 2010, 03:35:23 AM
I own it on Blu-Ray... That's about all I can say. :D
Same here! It's gorgeous.
I bought it on DVD the day it came out...And it was the most expensive DVD I bought (apart from the TLOTR Extended Editions)
I feel amazed at the originals, not the mishmash AVATAR is... It may have evolved the CG tech, but a movie without a soul is not a movie that will endure the test of time...!
Quote from: Cellien on Feb 12, 2010, 09:45:34 PM
Thats.... some heavy use of bold. :D
What can I say, I got carried away! :-[ :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 05:46:10 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 05:46:10 PM
Gollum was actually keyframe animation based on video of Serkis acting. They took a take with Serkis and a take without Serkis, and used the clean take for the animation, getting inspiration from his acting but not his entire performance.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 08:16:20 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2010, 04:20:30 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Stop trolling
He isn't.
Ahem.
"there is a lot of "heartless giovanni ribisis capitalist scum character gets me hard" types of avatar haters out there (they disguise it by saying its not very original or i didnt like the dialogue or even the absurd racism claims ) they should not be trusted in our society lol"
How is that not calling for a fight?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 08:46:50 PM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 08:46:50 PM
as cowardly lion would say
"put em up, put em up" :P
i read in previous post someone mention avatar be in best animation film rather than best picture
if it was it can win both awards ;D
Up is up for best picture btw (still not watched yet gonna try soon)
and district 9 ah yes i heard so much hype over that film finally found online and is was rubbish
the idea of having humans bad aliens good was great
and the idea of the setting not in usa but south africa was great
but the film was rubbish both on artistic level and on entertainment level it was a total letdown for me
i hated the main character with a passion even more than the cardboard cutout so called bad guys in the film the action was rubbish the story rubbish
the only good bit of the film was a few minutes between the main alien and his son
they should have shot the main character in the opening scene and focus the entire story from point of view of the alien and his son
but no it was hollywood after all and had to have a "human character" as mainstay of the film
AVATAR is better in every way than D9
avatar 10/10
district 9 4/10 (only gets 4 cos of the main alien and his son and the idea was good)
"put em up, put em up" :P
i read in previous post someone mention avatar be in best animation film rather than best picture
if it was it can win both awards ;D
Up is up for best picture btw (still not watched yet gonna try soon)
and district 9 ah yes i heard so much hype over that film finally found online and is was rubbish
the idea of having humans bad aliens good was great
and the idea of the setting not in usa but south africa was great
but the film was rubbish both on artistic level and on entertainment level it was a total letdown for me
i hated the main character with a passion even more than the cardboard cutout so called bad guys in the film the action was rubbish the story rubbish
the only good bit of the film was a few minutes between the main alien and his son
they should have shot the main character in the opening scene and focus the entire story from point of view of the alien and his son
but no it was hollywood after all and had to have a "human character" as mainstay of the film
AVATAR is better in every way than D9
avatar 10/10
district 9 4/10 (only gets 4 cos of the main alien and his son and the idea was good)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 15, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 15, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 08:46:50 PM
District 9... the film was rubbish both on artistic level and on entertainment level it was a total letdown for me
Run while you still can.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
Meh, the dickishness that chupacabras mentioned is merely reinforced...
No, Gollum was a mix of both keyframe and mocap.
QuoteGollum was actually keyframe animation based on video of Serkis acting.
No, Gollum was a mix of both keyframe and mocap.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 09:13:02 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 15, 2010, 09:13:02 PM
I have a book about how it was done. He wore a weird suit, but in the end they only referenced him on a visual level instead of any serious mocap.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Letteri said in The Two Towers docos that there was a mix of both. And we see Serkis on the mocap stage during post, doing motion capture. The gimp suit used during principal photography was used as a visual reference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Feb 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 08:16:20 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2010, 04:20:30 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Stop trolling
He isn't.
Ahem.
...
How is that not calling for a fight?
Quote from: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 08:46:50 PM
as cowardly lion would say
"put em up, put em up" :P
He isn't trolling.
But you two arguing over whether he is or isn't trolling is pointless.
Let's move on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 10:19:44 PM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 15, 2010, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
Meh, the dickishness that chupacabras mentioned is merely reinforced...QuoteGollum was actually keyframe animation based on video of Serkis acting.
No, Gollum was a mix of both keyframe and mocap.
who was the first comment directed at?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Feb 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Let's move on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvd.net.au%2Fmovies%2Fm%2F07808-2.jpg&hash=0b9da63e34f1c77ab3e66e982b09b4713f1c6b82)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
Yes, lord!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 16, 2010, 12:08:52 AM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 16, 2010, 12:08:52 AM
apologise SM prove you are a man and just apologise
you are in the wrong
you are in the wrong
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
I'm sorry that you're obnoxious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 16, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 16, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2010, 11:50:05 PMQuote from: Mikey on Feb 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Let's move on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Eidotemit on Feb 16, 2010, 12:21:26 AM
Post by: Eidotemit on Feb 16, 2010, 12:21:26 AM
Enough. Drop it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 16, 2010, 12:50:34 AM
Post by: BillyHudson on Feb 16, 2010, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
I'm sorry that you're obnoxious.
im sorry you are a waste of space
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Demon on Feb 16, 2010, 01:00:43 AM
Post by: The Demon on Feb 16, 2010, 01:00:43 AM
This reminds me of The Dark Knight thread. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 16, 2010, 01:07:59 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 16, 2010, 01:07:59 AM
Quote from: BillyHudson on Feb 16, 2010, 12:50:34 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
I'm sorry that you're obnoxious.
im sorry you are a waste of space
You're treading on thin ice buddy, watch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Look! Mr. Bean! :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F19.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg&hash=6184d2810405c34836a20b6a5bedd3af810b53d2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F19.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg&hash=6184d2810405c34836a20b6a5bedd3af810b53d2)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 16, 2010, 03:43:05 PM
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 16, 2010, 03:43:05 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginmedia.com%2Fimages%2F8jan_niccage-avatar-431x300.jpg&hash=d4555e4b9915a64628d4a83f0a166d9c8fa296af)
I top your Atkinson with a Cage.
I top your Atkinson with a Cage.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
I'm still obsessed with the whole universe of this film. I bought the Guide to Pandora book and was blown away by the level of detail that it goes into. Makes you notice the little details in the film you'd miss the first few times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 16, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 16, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Look! Mr. Bean! :D
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg
Quote from: peanut8 on Feb 16, 2010, 03:43:05 PM
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/8jan_niccage-avatar-431x300.jpg
I top your Atkinson with a Cage.
I hate you both. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 16, 2010, 07:11:44 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 16, 2010, 07:11:44 PM
I loved the creatures of the film. Such a shame the Thanator is in only 2 scenes! :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
I actually thought the creatures were a bit dull and mundane to be honest. Well executed no doubt, but ultimately a bit boring.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:40:54 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
I actually thought the creatures were a bit dull and mundane to be honest. Well executed no doubt, but ultimately a bit boring.
What even the fan lizard! Or the Hammerhead Titanothere?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 16, 2010, 10:50:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 16, 2010, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Look! Mr. Bean! :D
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg
Does he get the dragon-thing stuck on his head?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 16, 2010, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Feb 16, 2010, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
I actually thought the creatures were a bit dull and mundane to be honest. Well executed no doubt, but ultimately a bit boring.
Same here. Seems like Cameron just said, "Lets design something cool and colorful!"
Boom! Pandora.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Fan lizard > http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/7/71/Fanlizard-flying.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 17, 2010, 01:01:07 AM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 17, 2010, 01:01:07 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Feb 16, 2010, 10:51:35 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
I actually thought the creatures were a bit dull and mundane to be honest. Well executed no doubt, but ultimately a bit boring.
Same here. Seems like Cameron just said, "Lets design something cool and colorful!"
Boom! Pandora.
I felt the creatures design wasn't awesome either. It was mainly due to the surface texture of their skin being a weird plastic-y, slick, reptilian look that I didn't find that aesthetically pleasing or "cool". I did love the Banshee though. Reminded me of Panzer Dragoon.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Fan lizard > http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/7/71/Fanlizard-flying.jpg
Oh shit, I did like that thing too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 17, 2010, 02:02:19 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 17, 2010, 02:02:19 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Fan lizard > http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/7/71/Fanlizard-flying.jpg
Oh those blurry spinny things. They were okay I guess. Didn't even know there was a lizard underneath.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 17, 2010, 04:11:40 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 17, 2010, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
The hammerheaded-rhino was just a plot device IMO. "We need something large and clunky to overrun the humans...rhino mayhaps? Nah, those are Earth animals, we need something bigger and fatter. AND A BIG f**kING HEAD!!!!".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 17, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 17, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Look! Mr. Bean! :D
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg
That is one of the scariest things I have ever seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Feb 17, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Feb 17, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
I love the creatures. I feel they fit the setting and they look interesting enough to memorable and to stand out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 17, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 17, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Look! Mr. Bean! :D
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwhxag3TlN1qaccg6o1_500.jpg
Really creepy, but oh so funny to me :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: echobbase79 on Feb 20, 2010, 07:19:31 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Feb 20, 2010, 07:19:31 PM
Avatar bored the hell out of me. I tried to give a second go with a friend and had to leave because I was falling asleep. Got my money back too. The 3D tech was amazing, but so what?
3/10
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 20, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 20, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
I don't think this has been posted yet.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16813&count=0
Cameron is saying the DVD and Bluray will be released April 22 (in time for Earth Day). Unfortunately there won't be any extras, like extended scenes, and the Bluray won't be in 3D. It will be a "bare bones" initial release. The 3D Bluray and extended collectors edition won't be out until maybe November. :'(
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16813&count=0
Cameron is saying the DVD and Bluray will be released April 22 (in time for Earth Day). Unfortunately there won't be any extras, like extended scenes, and the Bluray won't be in 3D. It will be a "bare bones" initial release. The 3D Bluray and extended collectors edition won't be out until maybe November. :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 20, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 20, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
I really enjoy the movie, and I'm with 2D. I think it won't be out until November due to they time to work on adding 3D on DVD, and Blu Ray.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
Blu-Ray already has 3D capabilities. There's nothing to wait for. They're just being assholes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 20, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 20, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
Maybe their making something new with the 3D capabilities ????
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 08:52:10 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
Blu-Ray already has 3D capabilities. There's nothing to wait for. They're just being assholes.
Agreed. I am not going to pay 29.99 for a f**king Blu-Ray of the years biggest movie and have it being a bare bones copy.
I'll wait till November.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 20, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
Maybe their making something new with the 3D capabilities ????
Like what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Holograms.
"Don't watch the movie, be in the movie." ;)
"Don't watch the movie, be in the movie." ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
Don't give Cameron ideas, he'll write even less of a story in such a case.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimo on Feb 21, 2010, 03:03:38 AM
Post by: Kimo on Feb 21, 2010, 03:03:38 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Holograms.
"Don't watch the movie, be in the movie." ;)
The day that is available, i will have one big f**king porn collection.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 21, 2010, 03:34:51 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 21, 2010, 03:34:51 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Feb 21, 2010, 03:03:38 AMQuote from: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Holograms.
"Don't watch the movie, be in the movie." ;)
The day that is available, i will have one big f**king porn collection.
Funniest comment I read all day! :D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2010, 06:43:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2010, 06:43:23 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Feb 21, 2010, 03:03:38 AMQuote from: First Blood on Feb 20, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Holograms.
"Don't watch the movie, be in the movie." ;)
The day that is available, i will have one big f**king porn collection.
XD awesome
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 17, 2010, 02:02:19 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Fan lizard > http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/7/71/Fanlizard-flying.jpg
Oh those blurry spinny things. They were okay I guess. Didn't even know there was a lizard underneath.
How did you miss the lizard? You see it before it gets frightened and releases its fan to warn off Jake. I'm guessing you went to the toilet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 05:41:20 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 05:41:20 PM
Check out the music video I just made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU)
Feedback would be appreciated. :)
Feedback would be appreciated. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Feb 21, 2010, 06:25:36 PM
Post by: Cellien on Feb 21, 2010, 06:25:36 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 04:23:58 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 17, 2010, 02:02:19 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 16, 2010, 10:56:39 PMQuote from: SM on Feb 16, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Can't even remember the fan lizard. The hammerhead thing was kinda cool though. Don't think it made a great deal of sense, but aesthetically it was the most interesting.
Fan lizard > http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/7/71/Fanlizard-flying.jpg
Oh those blurry spinny things. They were okay I guess. Didn't even know there was a lizard underneath.
How did you miss the lizard? You see it before it gets frightened and releases its fan to warn off Jake. I'm guessing you went to the toilet.
Either that or a very badly calibrated theater.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 08:25:38 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 05:41:20 PM
Check out the music video I just made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU)
Feedback would be appreciated. :)
I clicked favourite and commented. It was awesome where did the music come from?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Feb 21, 2010, 08:30:41 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Feb 21, 2010, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
Blu-Ray already has 3D capabilities. There's nothing to wait for. They're just being assholes.
Couldn't have said it better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 09:15:18 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 08:25:38 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 05:41:20 PM
Check out the music video I just made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU)
Feedback would be appreciated. :)
I clicked favourite and commented. It was awesome where did the music come from?
It's a music group called Two Steps from Hell. Mainly makes music for trailers. 1st one was used in Star Trek's 3rd trailer and the 2nd in ME2's launch trailer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Feb 21, 2010, 11:28:40 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Feb 21, 2010, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 09:15:18 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 21, 2010, 08:25:38 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Feb 21, 2010, 05:41:20 PM
Check out the music video I just made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU)
Feedback would be appreciated. :)
I clicked favourite and commented. It was awesome where did the music come from?
It's a music group called Two Steps from Hell. Mainly makes music for trailers. 1st one was used in Star Trek's 3rd trailer and the 2nd in ME2's launch trailer.
f**kYEARRRHHHH 2SFH. I love those guys. Nice vid. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Feb 22, 2010, 09:27:24 AM
Post by: vortep on Feb 22, 2010, 09:27:24 AM
I Knew that The Hurt Locker was gona get Director and BP at the BAFTAs, but Sound? SOUND?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2010, 12:01:42 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2010, 12:01:42 AM
QuoteHow did you miss the lizard? You see it before it gets frightened and releases its fan to warn off Jake. I'm guessing you went to the toilet.
Note my use of the word blurry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 24, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 24, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
this is truly the best movie of 2009 and still in 2010 BUt thats gonna be beaten when predators comes :D :D hehe
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 24, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 24, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Quote from: dallevalle on Feb 24, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
this is truly the best movie of 2009 and still in 2010 BUt thats gonna be beaten when predators comes :D :D hehe
Huh, I hope U don't mind my asking, but how many 2009 movies have U watched? I watched District 9 and The Hurt Locker, and a lot others, but these two surely are more fun to watch and with more depth as well. Namely, are far better, MORE COMPLETE movies in terms of story, characters and visuals...
Eye-candy is good if you're a kid these days, but for a more mature audience, which I hope the Academy will be on March 7th, you need depth, you need memorable characters and plot to make a movie memorable...
Trust me, Cameron is no Spielberg... :P
Imagine AVATAR in flesh and blood, like, huh, APOCALYPTO, and U would be yawning all the way through the 2 and a half hours of AVATAR. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 24, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Feb 24, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
As of Tuesday:
$690,499,726
$690,499,726
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Feb 25, 2010, 04:02:44 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Feb 25, 2010, 04:02:44 AM
QuoteHuh, I hope U don't mind my asking, but how many 2009 movies have U watched? I watched District 9 and The Hurt Locker
havent seen hurt locker yet so can decide on that but i reckon avatar was actually better than district 9.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 25, 2010, 04:38:12 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 25, 2010, 04:38:12 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 24, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Trust me, Cameron is no Spielberg... :P
You are correct, he is better. Not only does he direct, he writes his own stuff, is a concept artist, helps develop the technology and special effects among other things. Now I am not saying Spielberg just directs and does nothing else...but I believe, IMO, Cameron does more as a director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 25, 2010, 04:41:33 AM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 25, 2010, 04:41:33 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 24, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Eye-candy is good if you're a kid these days, but for a more mature audience, which I hope the Academy will be on March 7th, you need depth, you need memorable characters and plot to make a movie memorable...
This, kids, is a perfect example of an ad hominem attack.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 25, 2010, 04:47:49 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 25, 2010, 04:47:49 AM
So, you guys looking for to the Prequel book that Cameron is writing?
http://movies.ign.com/articles/106/1069878p1.html
http://movies.ign.com/articles/106/1069878p1.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 25, 2010, 05:13:55 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 25, 2010, 05:13:55 AM
Not really, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was done by a ghost writer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 25, 2010, 06:46:10 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 25, 2010, 06:46:10 AM
A book written by Cameron? But his writing is his weakest aspect!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Feb 25, 2010, 07:31:13 AM
Post by: The Chibi Kiriyama on Feb 25, 2010, 07:31:13 AM
I've been hearing about this novel ever since Landau dropped the scoop way back. I thought he'd quietly given up on it.
I'm morbidly interested. A lot of people came down on the script, myself included. But is it self-indulgence, or something apart?
I'm morbidly interested. A lot of people came down on the script, myself included. But is it self-indulgence, or something apart?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2010, 08:23:28 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2010, 08:23:28 AM
QuoteYou are correct, he is better. Not only does he direct, he writes his own stuff, is a concept artist, helps develop the technology and special effects among other things. Now I am not saying Spielberg just directs and does nothing else...but I believe, IMO, Cameron does more as a director.
Spielberg has a better range. Cameron is more a technician - an exceedingly good one - , which is why his scripts - at least his last couple of efforts - have a habit of being weak. Though at least this time, he had a female character who started out as a one dimensional cliche and stayed that way without the male lead empowering her.
And Spielberg is hardly a slouch when it comes to writing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 08:25:39 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 08:25:39 AM
I didn't think he did any writing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
Close Encounters. And he's done a few stories (if not screenplays) for his flicks - Poltergeist, Goonies, AI. He, Lucas and Kasdan plotted Raiders, and ET was his core idea even though Melissa Mathison wrote the script. So even if he doesn't get credited, he's heavily involved in the story construction.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 11:35:59 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 11:35:59 AM
Story genesis and construction, sure - But I distinctly remember him saying he couldn't write worth a damn in a Jaws-related interview (He was obligated to write a draft, said he knew he couldn't write but did it anyway).
EDIT
Looking at his filmography on the IMDb he seems to have quite a few writing credits (And I don't mean the ones with "Story" written next to them). Huh.
EDIT
Looking at his filmography on the IMDb he seems to have quite a few writing credits (And I don't mean the ones with "Story" written next to them). Huh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: coolshow on Feb 25, 2010, 02:14:40 PM
Post by: coolshow on Feb 25, 2010, 02:14:40 PM
I saw this in 3D last week i was blown away just love it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowStalker on Feb 25, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
Post by: ShadowStalker on Feb 25, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
You know i still havent been able to see this movie yet :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 25, 2010, 04:38:12 AMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 24, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Trust me, Cameron is no Spielberg... :P
You are correct, he is better. Not only does he direct, he writes his own stuff, is a concept artist, helps develop the technology and special effects among other things. Now I am not saying Spielberg just directs and does nothing else...but I believe, IMO, Cameron does more as a director.
SORRY, LONG POST AHEAD...
Of course, that was not what I said...Spielberg is far better in all terms considered... he makes movies, Cameron makes one-trick pony experiences...predictable plot, cardboard characters, all show and no substance...Saving Private Ryan, ET, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, and so on and so forth...
Cameron wrote the Terminator duology (nothing Oscar-winning story-wise) and he was never even nominated for a Screenplay award...I think...I wonder why! :D :P
Cameron is known to be a pain in the arse to the actors and crew, and he is just a technology-dependent director... Remove the CG VFX and all you'll have is popcorn movie material, as shallow as they come... I liked T1 and T2 enough, but they are far out of the Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan league...
TITANIC without the VFX would be the TV miniseries, and I confess I was much more impressed with the much more accurate portrayal TV miniseries showed...
We need good movies with good, envolving stories, and AVATAR is neither... Just a showfest of CG that as impressive as it is, is just superficial, shallow... To award a movie just for technical prowess destroys the credibility pf the awards... Now, the BAFTA took that into consideration, as they should, and THE HURT LOCKER won, not because it's flamboyant like AVATAR is, but because it has a carefully crafted story with good, solid acting... THAT is a movie... If the technical prowess was the sole award pre-requisite, then BEOWULF would have been nominated...
AVATAR is 80% animation (CG is today's animation tool of excellence) and 20% real acting...
And don't start with the 'the CG mimicked the actors because I have seen footage of the real acting superimposed on the CG and it almost has nothing to do with it... And it also proved why real actors will never be replaced by CG, because, for instance, Zoe's performance real-life was far more credible and emotional than the CG one... And THAT alone is reason enough to discard this approach...
It costs far more, it requires far more technology than a movie really needs...
I mean, INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS had far less technology and far more acting and story and FUNNY, HUMOUROUS moments (which AVATAR had none!) and I got far more enjoyment on that movie than I did on AVATAR! Except for the 3-D nonsense, AVATAR is a vulgar, monotonous and predictable animation movie with human inserts here and there...
And I should note I love CG VFX-heavy movies, but ONLY WHEN THEY SERVE THE STORY and not when they ARE the story... ;)
Quote from: ShadowStalker on Feb 25, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
You know i still havent been able to see this movie yet :-\
Still? You should just wait for the DVD, man!
You'll save money (the 3-D screenings' prices are a steal!) ;)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 11:35:59 AM
Story genesis and construction, sure - But I distinctly remember him saying he couldn't write worth a damn in a Jaws-related interview (He was obligated to write a draft, said he knew he couldn't write but did it anyway).
EDIT
Looking at his filmography on the IMDb he seems to have quite a few writing credits (And I don't mean the ones with "Story" written next to them). Huh.
I actually prefer and give more credit to a director doing somebody else's vision and making it his own than a director that has a flimsy story and makes a CG-heavy movie to disguise that... :P :D
Spielberg doesn't write most of his movies, but is an excellent director who knows how to get very good performances out of his actors and deliver movies that stand the test of time...I mean, ET, SL, SPR, they all have replayability value and are memorable movies, story and character-wise...
AVATAR made a lot of money, which is good for Cameron's bankroll, but for the movie industry, all that AVATAR leaves are the technological advancements in terms of Mocap... He was a far better writer in the T movies... I mean, TITANIC was laughable in terms of the story and still had cool VFX... AVATAR is no better...
Cameron is good for popcorn movies, with a lot of spectacle but prohibiting any thinking, whilst Spielberg is a good drama director who has left us with far more memorable good quality movies...
And good movies don't need fans, they please everyone...
I am a fan of the Alien, Predator and Terminator saga, but I admit many people doesn't like it and are not remotely interested in them...
But if you watch a Spielberg movie and appreciate movies with depth and good stories and good portrayals, you will like it instantly... It doesn't require you to be a fan, just appreciate the story that it is told as a whole...
Cameron movies don't survive a close scrutiny... like most blockbuster shallow popcorn movies don't...
What I call 'fast-food cinema'...
Cameron is good technically, but a disaster in terms of what a movie is all about: a moving story with moving characters and absorbing storytelling...
Cameron clearly shows his Art Department roots in every movie he makes, because he clearly favors the aspect of it to the content of it... Which is a shame...
And he is awarded for that shallowness... But given that Hollywood is just making remakes, reboots and increasingly shallow popcorn movies, with the real movies left for more independent studios or for animation studios like Pixar, you know that this will be the downwards trend to follow...
It will get far worse than this... Trust me...! Unless the publci starts to be more demanding, this is all we will get... Poor stories with VFX that cost twice the price of admission! :(
I apologise yet again for the overlong post... It has been my trademark, I know... Sorry! :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 25, 2010, 04:15:19 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 25, 2010, 04:15:19 PM
well thats a long angry rant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:32:17 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 25, 2010, 04:15:19 PM
well thats a long angry rant.
Not angry, chupacabras, just fairly disappointed at the direction movies in general are taking...
After TDK, I thought that blockbusters would be more brains than brawn, but AVATAR proved me wrong... terribly wrong...! :'(
And I am just worried about the bigger picture, pun intended...! LOL... :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowStalker on Feb 25, 2010, 05:45:18 PM
Post by: ShadowStalker on Feb 25, 2010, 05:45:18 PM
Well YutaniDitch you have great points, and i am alos worried about the bigger picture. Too many movies come out with tons of cgi and hardly anything real done or character development.
And alright then i will wait for to come on dvd lol
And alright then i will wait for to come on dvd lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
Post by: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
Before people shoot me down, hear me out. Cameron is in the category of big hollywood, over the top action directors like Michael Bay. they are simply good old fashioned popcorn movies. He differs from Michael Bay in that he knows how to do them well. Yes Camerons movies are just as cliche at times but he doesnt add little gimmicks that are unneccesary. If something is in there, its there for a reason and not because he thinks its "cool". His movies are well though out blockbusters whereas Bays are mindless.
Cameron is the master of this genre. He mixes good, coherent stories (even if they are basic) and he makes you care for the characters. Yes they aren't as deep as some of Spielbergs stuff but he's not in it for that. He loves the effects and innovating them, but he understands effects alone dont make a movie. Yes Avatar may have been ridiculousy effects heavy but its still a good movie behind the effects.
Transformers 2 is an effects heavy movie and should by rights entertain us in the same way and yet its panned by fans and critics alike because the story is the excuse for the mayhem. With Avatar the effects are in place to benefit the story. I love most of Camerons movies but i'm not gonna pretend they are something they arent. They dont push any boundaries in the story department or shock you and they may not be very deep but theyre bloody good popcorn flicks where you actually care for the characters. In alot of big budget action movies we simply dont care for the characters but with Camerons we always do.
Spielberg is definately the better director all round. He has excelled in all areas he has worked in. Hes done comedy - 1941, horror - Jaws, Poltergeist, drama - schindlers list, munich, saving private ryan, big budget action effects movies - indiana jones, jurassic park, war of the worlds. There are many more examples. Thats not even inlcuding the myriad of films where hes acted as producer. Back to the future, gremlins. He just seems to get a handle on whatever style of film hes making. Cameron has never really attempted anything other than an action blockbuster but when the results are good as what they have been thats no bad thing.
I loved Avatar but i want to see it as a stand alone film. I see this idea to make it a sequel as unnecessary and forced just because it made so much money. Then again Cameron wouldnt do a sequel unless he really wanted to and believed in it. After the only sequel hes ever made turned out to be one of the best sequels of all time. I suppose im torn on the idea.
Cameron is the master of this genre. He mixes good, coherent stories (even if they are basic) and he makes you care for the characters. Yes they aren't as deep as some of Spielbergs stuff but he's not in it for that. He loves the effects and innovating them, but he understands effects alone dont make a movie. Yes Avatar may have been ridiculousy effects heavy but its still a good movie behind the effects.
Transformers 2 is an effects heavy movie and should by rights entertain us in the same way and yet its panned by fans and critics alike because the story is the excuse for the mayhem. With Avatar the effects are in place to benefit the story. I love most of Camerons movies but i'm not gonna pretend they are something they arent. They dont push any boundaries in the story department or shock you and they may not be very deep but theyre bloody good popcorn flicks where you actually care for the characters. In alot of big budget action movies we simply dont care for the characters but with Camerons we always do.
Spielberg is definately the better director all round. He has excelled in all areas he has worked in. Hes done comedy - 1941, horror - Jaws, Poltergeist, drama - schindlers list, munich, saving private ryan, big budget action effects movies - indiana jones, jurassic park, war of the worlds. There are many more examples. Thats not even inlcuding the myriad of films where hes acted as producer. Back to the future, gremlins. He just seems to get a handle on whatever style of film hes making. Cameron has never really attempted anything other than an action blockbuster but when the results are good as what they have been thats no bad thing.
I loved Avatar but i want to see it as a stand alone film. I see this idea to make it a sequel as unnecessary and forced just because it made so much money. Then again Cameron wouldnt do a sequel unless he really wanted to and believed in it. After the only sequel hes ever made turned out to be one of the best sequels of all time. I suppose im torn on the idea.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 25, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 25, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
I liked Avatar, but...
This is the second time he used "The Company" gimmick as a plot point, and on top of that, having a slime ball behind the scenes (Reiser, Ribisi). Sooner or later "big bad corporation" isn't going to keep working. It will get dull after a while.
This is the second time he used "The Company" gimmick as a plot point, and on top of that, having a slime ball behind the scenes (Reiser, Ribisi). Sooner or later "big bad corporation" isn't going to keep working. It will get dull after a while.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 25, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 25, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 25, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
This is the second time he used "The Company" gimmick as a plot point, and on top of that, having a slime ball behind the scenes (Reiser, Ribisi). Sooner or later "big bad corporation" isn't going to keep working. It will get dull after a while.
God, I truly, truly hope so. But at least in 'Avatar' the antagonist wasn't an 'inherently evil company', but a greedy corporate bastard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
Post by: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
Actually in terms of the idea of a company Terminator has that too with Cyberdyne systems. Granted its not the big bad corporation of Aliens or Avatar but its still the cause of all the shit that goes down. But its still seen as a threat that must be stopped. Its the entire basis for the second movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:46:15 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:46:15 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Of course, that was not what I said...Spielberg is far better in all terms considered... he makes movies, Cameron makes one-trick pony experiences...predictable plot, cardboard characters, all show and no substance...Saving Private Ryan, ET, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, and so on and so forth...
Cardboard characters...is that what the marines were in Aliens? Is that why they were so memorable? Jurassic Park wasn't predictable?
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Cameron wrote the Terminator duology (nothing Oscar-winning story-wise) and he was never even nominated for a Screenplay award...I think...I wonder why! :D :P
Cameron is known to be a pain in the arse to the actors and crew, and he is just a technology-dependent director... Remove the CG VFX and all you'll have is popcorn movie material, as shallow as they come... I liked T1 and T2 enough, but they are far out of the Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan league...
He is a pain in the ass to the actors because he isn't just a technology dependent director...he actually cares about their performances...unlike George Lucas who is technology dependent. A lot of people on here wouldn't say T1, T2, and Aliens are shallow. He made you care about the characters.
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TITANIC without the VFX would be the TV miniseries, and I confess I was much more impressed with the much more accurate portrayal TV miniseries showed...
Is that why it lasted so long in the movie houses?
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I mean, INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS had far less technology and far more acting and story and FUNNY, HUMOUROUS moments (which AVATAR had none!) and I got far more enjoyment on that movie than I did on AVATAR! Except for the 3-D nonsense, AVATAR is a vulgar, monotonous and predictable animation movie with human inserts here and there...
Anyone who mentions that a movie should have funny moments in it loses credibility with me. Maybe you would enjoy Batman and Robin better.
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I actually prefer and give more credit to a director doing somebody else's vision and making it his own than a director that has a flimsy story and makes a CG-heavy movie to disguise that... :P :D
A director who doesn't write his own stuff is like a singer who doesn't write their own songs...the script is the basis for a film. Anyone can point a camera. The more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director.
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Spielberg doesn't write most of his movies, but is an excellent director who knows how to get very good performances out of his actors and deliver movies that stand the test of time...I mean, ET, SL, SPR, they all have replayability value and are memorable movies, story and character-wise...
Did you forget that Weaver was nominated for an Oscar for Aliens. I believe Aliens and the Terminator films have stood the test of time and are very memorable.
My main point is this. I respect Cameron because he is a director...a director is supposed to be involved in every aspect of their film...and he is...more so than Spielberg.
Don't get me wrong...I like Spielberg...Saving Private Ryan was a great film...he takes a lot of guts..well to show blood and guts like that...but Cameron is better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 04:52:56 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 04:52:56 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:46:15 AMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Of course, that was not what I said...Spielberg is far better in all terms considered... he makes movies, Cameron makes one-trick pony experiences...predictable plot, cardboard characters, all show and no substance...Saving Private Ryan, ET, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, and so on and so forth...
Cardboard characters...is that what the marines were in Aliens? Is that why they were so memorable? Jurassic Park wasn't predictable?
Yes, the marines were essentially walking cliches, which is why they were so memorable. Jurassic Park wasn't predictable, either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:57:28 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:57:28 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 04:52:56 AM
Yes, the marines were essentially walking cliches, which is why they were so memorable. Jurassic Park wasn't predictable, either.
The marines were marine stereotypes...but not cardboard cut outs...each one's character was developed. Paul Anderson's characters were cardboard cut outs.
You didn't expect the dinos to break free and for the heroes to escape? You didn't expect Neill's character to eventually want children?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:07:56 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:07:56 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:57:28 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 04:52:56 AM
Yes, the marines were essentially walking cliches, which is why they were so memorable. Jurassic Park wasn't predictable, either.
The marines were marine stereotypes...but not cardboard cut outs...each one's character was developed. Paul Anderson's characters were cardboard cut outs.
The character weren't well developed; he made them stereotypes so you could still tell them apart without having to spend too much screentime making each one unique and deep, and it worked well, at least for most of them.
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:57:28 AM
You didn't expect the dinos to break free and for the heroes to escape? You didn't expect Neill's character to eventually want children?
I didn't expect Muldoon to go like that, I didn't expect Arnold to be dead, I didn't think the raptors would be able to open doors, I didn't expect that a tropical storm would strike the island, I didn't expect that the car would land in a tree, I didn't expect the T-Rex would save the day, and I certainly didn't expect Nedry's computer to say: "You didn't say the magic word!" In Avatar, on the other hand, I could see almost every plot point from a mile away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:37:35 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:37:35 AM
Dodgson! We got Dodgson here!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:40:25 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:40:25 AM
"What're you trying to look like? A secret agent?" :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Feb 26, 2010, 05:41:43 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Feb 26, 2010, 05:41:43 AM
how about they're both good directors and just leave it that...they both direct good movies
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:43:46 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:43:46 AM
Regarding, Muldoon. He was my favorite character in the movie. As a kid when I went to the theater I remember being in awe of that shotgun that he had. His death as you mentioned was certainly unexpected. A very cool character.
"Clever girl" :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Feb 26, 2010, 05:41:43 AM
how about they're both good directors and just leave it that...they both direct good movies
But that's the point of the forum; healthy debate and discussion! :)
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:43:46 AM
:D
Regarding, Muldoon. He was my favorite character in the movie. As a kid when I went to the theater I remember being in awe of that shotgun that he had. His death as you mentioned was certainly unexpected. A very cool character.
"Clever girl" :D
I loved him too! He kicks even more ass in the book, however; he has a grenade launcher!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:47:01 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:47:01 AM
And he lives!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:48:37 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:48:37 AM
I know! :)
Anyways, I probably should stop now; if I make too many threads careen out of control, the mods may start to get annoyed. ;)
Anyways, I probably should stop now; if I make too many threads careen out of control, the mods may start to get annoyed. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:49:59 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 05:49:59 AM
Yeah, we should go geek out on the JP thread. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 12:19:48 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:07:56 AM
The character weren't well developed; he made them stereotypes so you could still tell them apart without having to spend too much screentime making each one unique and deep, and it worked well, at least for most of them.
The reason you could tell them apart is because they were developed well...and the main characters evolved in the film.
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I didn't expect Muldoon to go like that, I didn't expect Arnold to be dead, I didn't think the raptors would be able to open doors, I didn't expect that a tropical storm would strike the island, I didn't expect that the car would land in a tree, I didn't expect the T-Rex would save the day, and I certainly didn't expect Nedry's computer to say: "You didn't say the magic word!" In Avatar, on the other hand, I could see almost every plot point from a mile away.
I was talking about predicting the main points of the film....of course you can't predict every little thing. What you talked about above is like saying, "I didn't expect a rhino like alien to chase Jake Sully in the film." Or "I didn't expect that Weaver would wear a Berkely shirt when she was a Navi alien."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
Except Muldoon dying is a major point in the film, as is the T-Rex saving the day. And both come from pretty left field (Well, right, in both cases).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 26, 2010, 12:40:47 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 26, 2010, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 04:46:15 AMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 25, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Of course, that was not what I said...Spielberg is far better in all terms considered... he makes movies, Cameron makes one-trick pony experiences...predictable plot, cardboard characters, all show and no substance...Saving Private Ryan, ET, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, and so on and so forth...
Cardboard characters...is that what the marines were in Aliens? Is that why they were so memorable? Jurassic Park wasn't predictable?Quote
Cameron wrote the Terminator duology (nothing Oscar-winning story-wise) and he was never even nominated for a Screenplay award...I think...I wonder why! :D :P
Cameron is known to be a pain in the arse to the actors and crew, and he is just a technology-dependent director... Remove the CG VFX and all you'll have is popcorn movie material, as shallow as they come... I liked T1 and T2 enough, but they are far out of the Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan league...
He is a pain in the ass to the actors because he isn't just a technology dependent director...he actually cares about their performances...unlike George Lucas who is technology dependent. A lot of people on here wouldn't say T1, T2, and Aliens are shallow. He made you care about the characters.Quote
TITANIC without the VFX would be the TV miniseries, and I confess I was much more impressed with the much more accurate portrayal TV miniseries showed...
Is that why it lasted so long in the movie houses?Quote
I mean, INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS had far less technology and far more acting and story and FUNNY, HUMOUROUS moments (which AVATAR had none!) and I got far more enjoyment on that movie than I did on AVATAR! Except for the 3-D nonsense, AVATAR is a vulgar, monotonous and predictable animation movie with human inserts here and there...
Anyone who mentions that a movie should have funny moments in it loses credibility with me. Maybe you would enjoy Batman and Robin better.Quote
I actually prefer and give more credit to a director doing somebody else's vision and making it his own than a director that has a flimsy story and makes a CG-heavy movie to disguise that... :P :D
A director who doesn't write his own stuff is like a singer who doesn't write their own songs...the script is the basis for a film. Anyone can point a camera. The more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director.Quote
Spielberg doesn't write most of his movies, but is an excellent director who knows how to get very good performances out of his actors and deliver movies that stand the test of time...I mean, ET, SL, SPR, they all have replayability value and are memorable movies, story and character-wise...
Did you forget that Weaver was nominated for an Oscar for Aliens. I believe Aliens and the Terminator films have stood the test of time and are very memorable.
My main point is this. I respect Cameron because he is a director...a director is supposed to be involved in every aspect of their film...and he is...more so than Spielberg.
Don't get me wrong...I like Spielberg...Saving Private Ryan was a great film...he takes a lot of guts..well to show blood and guts like that...but Cameron is better.
ATTENTION: SOME SPOILERS INBOUND...
OK, by order and to the point:
1 - The Marines in Aliens were not clichés in 1986... You should consider the timeline: Aliens was different from Alien with more Aliens, more action-based and the characters were memorable because of us fans... Their lines are, by today's standards, weak but at the time, were not...
The story is basic, yes, but as an action movie, the pacing is well done...And this was a singularity because Cameron does not usually develop the characters and in here he took some care... here and in True Lies...But by 'care' I mean a little more concern, not great concern... ;)
But you can feel that his characters are paper-thin...
Jurassic Park has the characters evolving throughout the movie: Alan regarding the kids, Hammond regarding the credibility of the Park and he does that taking his time, he does not rush... That is the main difference between a 'character director' and an 'art director', as I call them, because the latter is usually more concerned about how things look and not how things feel...
Point 2 - Cameron is a pain in the arse because he IS a pain in the arse... Most directors can be demanding without antagonising crew and cast... Paul Anderson, for instance, was very good with the actors... Spielberg as well... Cameron is demanding but almost insensitive... I mean, what happened in the Aliens set showed in the Alien Quadrilogy featurettes shows someone who clearly fails to organise his time rationally...
Paul Anderson, for instance, had less time than he did, less money than he did, and he never lost his cool... But then again he is British so...! :P :o
If Cameron was so demanding in the quality of the movies, the acting would be much better than it was... I mean, the main characters in the movie, Ripley, Hicks, Hudson and Vasquez were developped enough to make us care, but Burke was somewhat unbelievable... First of all, there is no way he would be able to sabotage the freezers because a) he had to know how they work, and he was just a corporate pencil pusher, and 2) As it showed in Alien3, Sulaco systems had security systems that would protect the people in stasis...
So, the believability of Burke actually being able to pull that off is very weak and that renders his danger level really weak, hence making him a weak villain...
Again with the comparisons, it is clearly proved that Spielberg develops his characters far more than Cameron...
Point 3 - Jurassic Park was one of Spielberg's most mainstream blockbuster movie I mentioned... Yet, the characters in there are better written and far more developped than a USUAL Cameron movie...
Point 4 - Titanic lasted as long like AVATAR has lasted this long... People are predictable and a love story, even a lame, cheesy one, especially in an historical mythic setting, can do that for you... Don't make the mistake to think that BO results match the quality of the movie... It seldomnly does... TITANIC and AVATAR are weak in plot, characters but still managed to lure people in because, as scientists say, people go to movis to be entertained, not brainstorm it... I mean, many people did not get TDK at first because it was far more cerebral than your average blockbuster movie... The whole 'Batman taking the fall for Dent because Dent needed to be a hero in order to keep the crooks he arrested in jail' was a great concept, and repeated 3 times throughout the movie, but still some people failed to understand it...
I think most people don't go to movies to think, they just absorb... The thinking comes next... For most people, that is... I have seen way too many movies to just go there and come out mesmerised with the usual... And for a person that has seen almost all CG movies there are, AVATAR is the next step in the evolutionary ladder, but not at all a novelty... the story and characters should have done that, and they failed miserably... talking about a clichéd story here: every character demise was predictable :
Spoiler
well, maybe not Sully's scientist buddy who managed to survive his AVATAR's death, Grace was an obvious one and so was the 'memorable' chick whose name I somehow fail to remember! :P :D
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Point 5 - The funny moments in a movie are not to make the film a comedy, but to lighten the load in some moments, what people call 'comedy relief', namely a character that makes jokes and lightens the mood... Aliens had it with Hudson and, for instance, when Hicks said the facehugger liked Burke ('seems like love at first sight to me') and other moments sprinkled through the movie... That is what I am talking about... A movie almost all in CG like AVATAR, taking itself way too serious and with no comedy relief during the entirety of more than two hours is clearly a mistake... The funny characters and moments are a quick recipe to memorability when everything else fails, which happened in this case...
The mercenary villain was way over the top in terms ob believability, and the corporate sleazeball is too overused and boring as hell, as well as the motivations to be villainous: the mercenary reaction to Sully's escape is not credible as he fired without mask in a rage, not clearly understandable at all... Ribisi's character (note that I can't remember their names, being so memorable as they were... ::)) was way too shallow to matter, and we all know that the villains need to be the more developped characters as they are the center of any movie (hero's reaction to a villain's action or plan).
Point 6 - Most directors don't write their own movies and that is no reason whatsoever why their movies can't be memorable: David Fincher did not write SEVEN, Mel did not write BRAVEHEART, Robert Zemeckis did not write FORREST GUMP, and so many more...and still they were great...
MOST appreciated movies are not written by the director... You can get any list of Oscar winning movies from the last 20, 30 years, to see it more clearly...
Cameron was never nominated for a Screenplay award and Sigourney won an award in Aliens because of her, not because of his writing... And, of course, she won against the competition and because the movie had more visibility... Personally, I don't think this was her best acting, but many actresses have won the award not necessarily for their most memorable role... I liked Sigourney in Mel Gibson's movie, I liked her in many other movies, and Aliens as well, but I don't think it was her most memorable one... She is one of the best actresses of her generation... And she should have won it in ALIEN, not ALIENS... I know that was her movie debut, but she was stunning in that performance... Much more than in ALIENS... but she probably had more competition back in 1979 than in 1986... :o
Point 7 - You're probably alone on that one: Spielberg's reputation is far more impressive than Cameron's...
Cameron is a BO hitter while Spielberg is an Award hitter... And they are different in their movie approach as well: Cameron's approach is more popcorn, commercial and superficial... Speilberg is the direct opposite, with some exceptions: more character and story driven, the CG is a tool, not an end in itself...
Spielberg would have done AVATAR with CG-enhanced humans, not just CG period... and surely the story would be far more developped, and so would be the characters... He woulddeliver an epic...
Hell, put Ridley Scott on the helm of AVATAR 2 and he will make it far more memorable...
The greatness in the visuals in AVATAR will only last until the next CG movie... THAT's the lasting quality of AVATAR...
Hell, if the next CG movie is an animation movie with AVATAR tech and human characters like in BEOWULF, it will still be better than AVATAR... Because AVATAR has no soul... The story is just a pretext to show visuals... And the cinematography in AVATAR proves just that... It was deliberately made to be showed in 3D screenings, I tell you that, because in 2D the movie visuals, though cute, are not original...
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And, of course, we all know 3D is sheer manipulation of the senses... Inot a movie quality in itself...
I don't get impressed by visuals unless they support a story to remember by...
AVATAR is just that, cute visuals with no soul.. At least, not an ORIGINAL one...
Just imagine, EarthHive, Spielberg doing AVATAR with the same tech... there's your answer in short...
IT would be a masterpiece... Cameron's AVATAR will be forgotten by next CG movie, probably animation...
Only the BO records will tell its tail, nothing else... Trust me...
Even if it win an Oscar, by now the Oscars have lost such credibility that people will attribute it to lobbying and not much else... Does anyone remember last year's 'Slumdog Millionaire'? I couldn't remember who had won last year until I looked it up...That's how bad the Oscars and Hollywood in general are...
And many believe Slumdog won to please Bollywood and the Indian Hollywood investors, so...
The Oscars are no longer about quality, but influence...
If AVATAR wins over better written and crafted movies, this will be another example of that...
Surrendering to shallow blockbusters is the Academy's downfall from grace, and the complete loss of credibility... They exist to award the best picture, not the best-LOOKING picture... :o >
As a footnote, I don't dislike Cameron, just saying that he is not in the same league as Spielberg and the rest of the bunch.
I think they should distinguish between technical directors and movie directors:
The movies than win technical awards and the ones that win the Screenplay, actors and best director and movie ( the 'Top Five' as they are known)... The latter ones are, of course, the most important ones...
I mean, TLOTR, TITANIC and AVATAR are just technically proficient movies ( I think TLOTR: ROTK should not have won best adapted screenplay nor best editing, as it was full of holes, namely the witchking's line 'I will break him' (talking about Gandalf) that never has a follow-up during the theatrical version, which was the one the Academy voted on... If that is the best editing of the year, my name is Donald... Duck...! ::) :P
Most of those oscars are given as favors... the triple black win (Denzel-Halle Berry-Sidney Poitier) was obvious proof of that...
Like Perry White's character in Superman Returns said 'Nobody remembers why they won one, just that they won one'... :D
Enough of this overlong nonsense... If this was a live discourse, you would have clobbered me already... :D :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:51:17 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:51:17 PM
QuoteThe more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director.You respect Paul Anderson more as a director than Ridley Scott? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 10:12:41 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Feb 26, 2010, 12:19:48 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 05:07:56 AM
The character weren't well developed; he made them stereotypes so you could still tell them apart without having to spend too much screentime making each one unique and deep, and it worked well, at least for most of them.
The reason you could tell them apart is because they were developed well...and the main characters evolved in the film.
I was referring to the marine characters. The main characters (Newt, Bishop, Ripley) were not cliches and were genuinely developed.
QuoteQuote
I didn't expect Muldoon to go like that, I didn't expect Arnold to be dead, I didn't think the raptors would be able to open doors, I didn't expect that a tropical storm would strike the island, I didn't expect that the car would land in a tree, I didn't expect the T-Rex would save the day, and I certainly didn't expect Nedry's computer to say: "You didn't say the magic word!" In Avatar, on the other hand, I could see almost every plot point from a mile away.
I was talking about predicting the main points of the film....of course you can't predict every little thing. What you talked about above is like saying, "I didn't expect a rhino like alien to chase Jake Sully in the film." Or "I didn't expect that Weaver would wear a Berkely shirt when she was a Navi alien."
The only one of those that didn't affect the plot in a major way was Nedry's computer, and I just added that as a bit of a joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 10:16:22 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 10:16:22 PM
Hicks was every bit a cliché and never developed during the entire movie. He was the cool, calm, quiet in-control marine when we met him, and he was like that when he died. The only difference is he took charge - Well, technically, since Ripley started making all the shots, and he was just there to validate them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Yeah, after I thought about it a bit, I realized I shouldn't have listed him. I think I'll change it now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 26, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: peanut8 on Feb 26, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 10:16:22 PM
Hicks was every bit a cliché and never developed during the entire movie. He was the cool, calm, quiet in-control marine when we met him, and he was like that when he died. The only difference is he took charge - Well, technically, since Ripley started making all the shots, and he was just there to validate them.
I totally agree. If any marine developed significantly, it was Hudson. He moved from utter breakdown to last-stand action hero, and was clearly cooler regarding the situation near his final moments than he was when all went to hell. He also panicked like any one of us would have, whereas Hicks constantly had the cliche demeanor in which he could stick a shotgun INSIDE an alien's mouth, with a cheesy line on top.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 10:32:53 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 26, 2010, 10:32:53 PM
Gorman also started as the "know nothing" leader and turned into the action hero near the end, especially when he went back for Vazquez.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
Hudson didn't change either. He had two modes, whiny bitch and gung-ho egomaniac, both established in his first few scenes - "How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?" and "I am the ultimate badass", respectively.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 27, 2010, 12:22:03 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 27, 2010, 12:22:03 AM
The only people who had any sort of arc in Aliens were Ripley and Gorman. And Gorman's was very minor. Hudson and Burke don't have any development - it just transpired that their true colours are revealed.
The development in Avatar smacks you in the face when Jake says "Everything's changing". Just in case the previous half hour hadn't clued you in.
The development in Avatar smacks you in the face when Jake says "Everything's changing". Just in case the previous half hour hadn't clued you in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:12:34 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:12:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
Except Muldoon dying is a major point in the film, as is the T-Rex saving the day. And both come from pretty left field (Well, right, in both cases).
Actually, the raptor was over Muldoon's left shoulder ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 27, 2010, 01:16:45 AM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 27, 2010, 01:16:45 AM
I didn't expect that to happen. Brilliant scene, just comes in does the "hisssssss" and Muldoon: "Clever girl" and bam! All hell broke lose. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2010, 01:34:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2010, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:12:34 AMDangit, I remember it as right. :P
Actually, the raptor was over Muldoon's left shoulder ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 27, 2010, 04:09:49 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 27, 2010, 04:09:49 AM
Doom's right. Believe me, I've seen that film dozens of times. :D
Wait a second; isn't this thread about Avatar? Oh well, I very much enjoy the Jurassic Park discussions more.
Wait a second; isn't this thread about Avatar? Oh well, I very much enjoy the Jurassic Park discussions more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.php
http://www.joblo.com/index2.php
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 27, 2010, 05:20:57 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 27, 2010, 05:20:57 AM
Aw... someone just had to mention something on topic, didn't they? Oh well. I'm glad to hear that Siggy is back; she was the best actor or actress in the first one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AM
Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.php
Spoiler
But they killed her off. How is her character returning? =/
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:40 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:40 AM
Quote from: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AMCloning?Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.phpSpoiler
But they killed her off. How is her character returning? =/[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:20 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:20 AM
Spoiler
Prolly as a spirit in nature, or a flashback or something.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 27, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Feb 27, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:20 AMSpoiler
Prolly as a spirit in nature, or a flashback or something.[close]
Well, the weirdness just got weirder... :o :P
So, Sig is back, so will probably be the cliché villain of the first... Ribisi will be back with an army... bla bla bla...
Sounds even more boring than the first...
If she comes as a clone... boring...
if she comes as a spirit... major boring... even annoying...
If she comes as flashback...that can be...
I probably need more details... Yeah... :-\
I think AVATAR does need a prequel, not a sequel... Something that explains what happened to Earth (the 'doomed planet'), why Unobtainium is so important, and so on and so forth... To see more of Jake and Neytiri will clearly bore me to death...
Why don't they do the humans now in CG? :D :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:40 AMQuote from: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AMCloning?Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.phpSpoiler
But they killed her off. How is her character returning? =/[close]
It will be A:R all over again :P.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it...? ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 07:46:55 PM
Post by: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 07:46:55 PM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:40 AMQuote from: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AMCloning?Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.phpSpoiler
But they killed her off. How is her character returning? =/[close]
Oh god, it'll be Alien: Resurrection all over again... ::)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 27, 2010, 06:23:43 PMQuote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:20 AMI think AVATAR does need a prequel, not a sequel... Something that explains what happened to Earth (the 'doomed planet'), why Unobtainium is so important, and so on and so forth... To see more of Jake and Neytiri will clearly bore me to death...Spoiler
Prolly as a spirit in nature, or a flashback or something.[close]
Why don't they do the humans now in CG? :D :P
1: Why do you care? You've made it obvious in your previous posts that you hated Avatar so why does it matter to you if the do a sequel or a prequel or a spinoff or a freaking kid's cartoon? :P
2: They implied Earth's ecosystem was dying or already dead. I though it was fairly obvious too. :-\
3: Unobtanium was used in starship engines, it was also used a a power source on Earth. I would assume it has other uses too, being a room-temperature superconductor.
4: Why do humans in CG when you can do people without CG? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2010, 11:39:42 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2010, 11:39:42 PM
Siggy will be back Obi-Wan style as an avatar of Eywa.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 28, 2010, 11:50:07 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 28, 2010, 11:50:07 PM
I want Quaritch back.
"You're not in Kansas anymore." 8)
I thought he was a cool villain. I am not saying I agree with his ideals but Stephen Lang played him good.
"Now you're giving me the goosebumps!"
"You're not in Kansas anymore." 8)
I thought he was a cool villain. I am not saying I agree with his ideals but Stephen Lang played him good.
"Now you're giving me the goosebumps!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Feb 28, 2010, 11:56:21 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Feb 28, 2010, 11:56:21 PM
"A director who doesn't write his own stuff is like a singer who doesn't write their own songs...the script is the basis for a film. Anyone can point a camera. The more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director."
Too lazy to use the quote function, but whatever. Just sayin' that Elvis Presley wrote 0% of his own songs, yet he is batshit awesome and you know it. ;)
Stephen Lang signed up for some moar, and he mentioned "Nothing's over as long asI'm still breathing they have my DNA."
*shrugs* Wouldn't mind seeing him again. Great actor in my book.
Too lazy to use the quote function, but whatever. Just sayin' that Elvis Presley wrote 0% of his own songs, yet he is batshit awesome and you know it. ;)
Stephen Lang signed up for some moar, and he mentioned "Nothing's over as long as
*shrugs* Wouldn't mind seeing him again. Great actor in my book.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Feb 28, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
Post by: First Blood on Feb 28, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
Oh, interesting!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:00:42 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:00:42 AM
The only Cameron villain who was less dimensional than Quaritch was Cal from Titanic. Quaritch ain't no Burke or Coffey. He's not even the Crimson Jihad dude.
And Riddles doesn't write his own stuff. Boy does he suck...
Quote"A director who doesn't write his own stuff is like a singer who doesn't write their own songs...the script is the basis for a film. Anyone can point a camera. The more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director."
Too lazy to use the quote function, but whatever. Just sayin' that Elvis Presley wrote 0% of his own songs, yet he is batshit awesome and you know it
And Riddles doesn't write his own stuff. Boy does he suck...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 01, 2010, 12:37:39 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 01, 2010, 12:37:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:00:42 AM
The only Cameron villain who was less dimensional than Quaritch was Cal from Titanic.
Doesn't prevent Lang's performance from being enjoyable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Sadly, I found it mostly laughable. His only interesting scene was when he ran outside to shoot at Rodriguez helicopter.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2010, 12:41:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2010, 12:41:45 AM
He was so over-the-top that it was excellent. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 01, 2010, 12:44:04 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 01, 2010, 12:44:04 AM
I found him enjoyable
"Everything out there wants to kill you!"
"They will squeeze your eyes out like Ju-Ju Bee's."
"Everything out there wants to kill you!"
"They will squeeze your eyes out like Ju-Ju Bee's."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:50:04 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:50:04 AM
Excrutiating.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 01, 2010, 12:53:10 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 01, 2010, 12:53:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 12:50:04 AM
Excrutiating.
have some cement and harden the f.... up ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 01:24:46 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 01:24:46 AM
$706,904,000
Pretty good run.
8)
Pretty good run.
8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 01, 2010, 01:27:53 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 01, 2010, 01:27:53 AM
Oh, I just remembered; why does the Thanator roar like a Tyrannosaurus Rex from Jurassic Park occasionally? Get your own damn sound effects, Cameron. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 01:30:25 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 01:30:25 AM
Think SiL said something similar some time ago. Can't say I actually noticed it, but it's not surprising.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 02:57:21 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 02:57:21 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2010, 12:51:17 PMQuoteThe more you do in a film as a director the more I respect that director.You respect Paul Anderson more as a director than Ridley Scott? :-\
Let me post one more item about this and then I am off this argument (YutaniDutch's posts are becoming too long to answer...if you want to take that as a win...then fine). I don't want anyone getting confused with what I am saying:
1. James Cameron is a great director.
2. Spielberg is a great director.
3. James Cameron makes great films that he writes.
4. Spielberg is only as good as the scripts that are given to him. A script is foundation for a film...you can make a film worse than the script permits (due to maybe bizarre camera shots)...or you can make it as good as the script permits. However, you can never make a film better than the script just by setting up camera shots and shooting them.
5. If I have ever disrespected a director, then that is not my intent. It is so hard to make a film. I respect all directors and I am never one to come out and say someones work is crappy or shitty...if I have then I am sorry.
Jaws is a great film.....so is Schindler's List...however they are good because of the screenplay (which Spielberg didn't write as far as I know) and because of Spielberg's directing...among other things. So the screenwriter (somebody other than Spielberg), Spielberg's directing, the actors (not Spielberg), and the crew (not Spielberg) is responsible for Jaw's success. Who is responsible for Aliens success...well the screenwriter (Cameron), Cameron's directing, the actors (not Cameron), and the crew (which involved Cameron heavily). Cameron helped make a great film...Spielberg directed a great film. Cameron>Spielberg.
Now...yes I do respect Paul WS Anderson more than Ridley Scott...because Anderson writes his own stuff. However, just because you write your own stuff doesn't make you a better director...I never wanted my argument to be taken that way. AVP is worse than Alien. Anderson is not a better director than Scott. Anderson made a mediocre film....Scott directed a great film.
On my singer's argument..same thing. Bob Dylan makes great songs...Elvis sings great songs. Dylan> Elvis.
I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:10:00 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:10:00 AM
QuoteNow...yes I do respect Paul WS Anderson more than Ridley Scott...because Anderson writes his own stuff.
Even if the stuff he writes is garbage?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:28:35 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:28:35 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 02:57:21 AM
3. James Cameron makes great films that he writes.
Ripping off 3 separate stories and mishmashing it altogether isn't writing. It's just being lazy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 03:30:33 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 03:30:33 AM
True, but you can't argue with the successful results lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:34:24 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:34:24 AM
Sure I can. If the film is boring, so be it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 03:34:59 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 03:34:59 AM
I meant the cashflow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:35:58 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:35:58 AM
QuoteRipping off 3 separate stories and mishmashing it altogether isn't writing. It's just being lazy.
It's not lazy if you can create something new out of the mish-mash.
With Avatar, however, yes it was lazy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:36:32 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:36:32 AM
My point exactly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 03:39:18 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 03:39:18 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:28:35 AM
Ripping off 3 separate stories and mishmashing it altogether isn't writing. It's just being lazy.
So what? He has used plots that have been done before (who hasn't...there are a very small amount of original films out there). He is not re-inventing the wheel on that. What he is doing is making great dialogue and written action for those "same-old" plots. That takes talent...to take a plot we all know and make the script better...that takes large amounts of talent.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:44:37 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 03:44:37 AM
Only wish he'd done that with Avatar. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 01, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 01, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
QuoteNow...yes I do respect Paul WS Anderson more than Ridley Scott...because Anderson writes his own stuff.
Logic error. Does not compute.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 03:39:18 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 03:28:35 AM
Ripping off 3 separate stories and mishmashing it altogether isn't writing. It's just being lazy.
So what? He has used plots that have been done before (who hasn't...there are a very small amount of original films out there). He is not re-inventing the wheel on that. What he is doing is making great dialogue and written action for those "same-old" plots. That takes talent...to take a plot we all know and make the script better...that takes large amounts of talent.
Borrowing ideas is one thing, but when you can't even be bothered to even put a twist on an old story and just re-tell the same damn thing with the only difference being that there's a little more noise than the last film doesn't mean you have talent. It means you're lazy.
Avatar didn't add anything new. As has been said before countless times, it's Dances With Wolves in space. That's exactly what it is. It didn't add anything new, other than a few flashy fights.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 03:59:55 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 03:59:55 AM
Old stories get retold.
cry more.
cry more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 04:00:46 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 04:00:46 AM
And they end up sucking.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 04:03:59 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 04:03:59 AM
Enjoy the film's critical acclaim too bro.
We all enjoy the delicious tears of the Avatar and Cameron haters. We really do. It's been quite a swell time for us the last couple months.
We all enjoy the delicious tears of the Avatar and Cameron haters. We really do. It's been quite a swell time for us the last couple months.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:06:18 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:06:18 AM
Ah the sad delusions of those who only see the world in black and white (3D black and white, granted).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 04:07:04 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 01, 2010, 04:07:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:06:18 AM
Ah the sad delusions of those who only see the world in black and white (3D black and white, granted).
So mad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 04:08:24 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 01, 2010, 04:08:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:06:18 AM
Ah the sad delusions of those who only see the world in black and white (3D black and white, granted).
Sorry, tangent, but a 3D black and white film would be awesome!
We now resume with the previously scheduled complaining.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:09:33 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:09:33 AM
And think of much much better Avatar coulda been if it was silent!! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
QuoteNow...yes I do respect Paul WS Anderson more than Ridley Scott...because Anderson writes his own stuff.It's not a director's job to write, it's his job to direct. Who writes it means nothing when it comes to the director personally. If they happened to write it, so be it - But how that means they deserve more respect, especially in cases where the end result is far inferior, boggles the mind.
QuoteOn my singer's argument..same thing. Bob Dylan makes great songs...Elvis sings great songs. Dylan> Elvis.Elvis sang.
Bob Dylan ... I don't know what the f**k Bob Dylan does, but it's not singing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:14:57 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:14:57 AM
You better not be f**kin with the Wilburys! >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
It's not a director's job to write, it's his job to direct. Who writes it means nothing when it comes to the director personally. If they happened to write it, so be it - But how that means they deserve more respect, especially in cases where the end result is far inferior, boggles the mind.
Elvis sang.
Bob Dylan ... I don't know what the f**k Bob Dylan does, but it's not singing.
A film is a director's picture. He gets all of the credit or all of the blame. A director is to be involved in every aspect of a film. If not...then you are just a cameraman.
Bob Dylan is a musician. Elvis is just a singer. Anybody can sing...not everyone can write, play an instrament, and sing their own songs. Dylan> Elvis. Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:35:07 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:35:07 AM
QuoteAnybody can sing...
No they can't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2010, 04:37:28 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2010, 04:37:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:35:07 AMQuoteAnybody can sing...
No they can't.
I can attest to that.
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
A film is a director's picture. He gets all of the credit or all of the blame. A director is to be involved in every aspect of a film. If not...then you are just a cameraman.
No, a director doesn't have to be. All they have to do is set up the shots and the lighting, get good angles, and get their actors to do their damnedest. If they want to do more than that, that's fine, but it doesn't factor into their skill as a director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:41:21 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2010, 04:41:21 AM
Some don't even need to setup shots and lighting. They DO need to get the best out of the DP, gaffer and cast though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 01, 2010, 04:42:31 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 01, 2010, 04:42:31 AM
"I was looking at the lights." ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:47:30 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:47:30 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 01, 2010, 04:34:01 AMDirecting accounts for more than just setting up shots and getting actors to do their job the way you want them. A director, regardless of whether they've written the script or not, is still in charge of the overall feel of the movie and its final delivery. It's the director's idea for the final outcome that influences every major creative department - The script is just the blueprint.
A director is to be involved in every aspect of a film. If not...then you are just a cameraman.
Even if a director doesn't write the script, he's still involved with the script. Of course a director has to be involved in every aspect - that's his job. That is literally part of the job description.
But that doesn't mean he has to be the person in charge of every aspect. That's just ridiculous. That's like saying a director is lesser than another because he doesn't do the special effects personally, because he wasn't head of the costume department, because he wasn't the head caterer. That's not his job. His job is to unify the individual departments to follow a common aesthetic goal. You still go out and hire an effects crew, a cinematographer, etc. ... and, yes, even a writer.
Some people have really good ideas for stories, but simply cannot write worth a crap. That doesn't make them lesser storytellers, or lesser directors; it makes them shit writers. End sentence.
QuoteAnybody can sing...So what was Bob Dylan's excuse?
Quoteplay an instrament,Elvis did just that. So he wasn't just a singer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 01, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 01, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 07:46:55 PMQuote from: Yautja117 on Feb 27, 2010, 06:35:40 AMQuote from: Navaha on Feb 27, 2010, 06:32:07 AMCloning?Quote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 05:09:51 AM
Sigourney says she will be back in Avatar 2.
http://www.joblo.com/index2.phpSpoiler
But they killed her off. How is her character returning? =/[close]
Oh god, it'll be Alien: Resurrection all over again... ::)Quote from: YutaniDitch on Feb 27, 2010, 06:23:43 PMQuote from: Undeadite on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:20 AMI think AVATAR does need a prequel, not a sequel... Something that explains what happened to Earth (the 'doomed planet'), why Unobtainium is so important, and so on and so forth... To see more of Jake and Neytiri will clearly bore me to death...Spoiler
Prolly as a spirit in nature, or a flashback or something.[close]
Why don't they do the humans now in CG? :D :P
1: Why do you care? You've made it obvious in your previous posts that you hated Avatar so why does it matter to you if the do a sequel or a prequel or a spinoff or a freaking kid's cartoon? :P
2: They implied Earth's ecosystem was dying or already dead. I though it was fairly obvious too. :-\
3: Unobtanium was used in starship engines, it was also used a a power source on Earth. I would assume it has other uses too, being a room-temperature superconductor.
4: Why do humans in CG when you can do people without CG? :-\
1 - Hopeful thinking that it will be better than the first one, perhaps? And I never said I hated AVATAR, just that it is a weak movie with good looks... Like a beautiful woman who embarasses us everytime she speaks... Like that... Yuo can still enjoy the outer layer, but It would be so much better if you could have a grown-up conversation with her, don't you agree? ;)
2 - Something said just on the fly, as mere footnote, is not enough for me... It's like Cameron's JD...He never explained how Skynet managed to survive the nuclear (electromagnetic) holocaust because it matter not to him, I guess...
3 - Because you can easily do aliens in CG but not humans in it... Human emotions require a whole lot more attention to detail... More subtle movements (that was what gave the Nav'i away as CG constructs)... Humans don't move like that and especially the eyes of the Nav'i were DEAD! Gollum had more emotion in his eyes than all the Nav'i together...
My criticism is about what went wrong in the movie for me... And trust me, when I first heard about it, I was curious and eager to watch it... but then I watched several featurettes (big mistake to show them prior to the movie, but whatever...) and realised that the story was cliché and the CG was not all I had hoped... yes, it forests and the waves splashing on the rocks was cute, but the whole feeling felt as fake as the CG...
That was my regret: that I had anticipated this movie as finally being a perfect marriage between CG and character story , and it turned out to be just another show fest with no substance... :(
I wanted this movie to excel... especially after a 10-year hiatus of Cameron... I had hoped that this hiatus would have made Cameron more mature in terms of screenwriting...
After 10 years, we become more demanding in the movies we watch... I know I do... The same thing just wrapped in a shiny, new fantasy paper means nothing to me... The story becomes the most important aspect of the movie... And a movie that does not stand the test of time is not a movie worthwhile...
And we are in serious need of those... I mean,most movies are expendable, cheap thrills just to make an easy buck...
CG overload to compensate for the lack of story ideas...
That is the trend and AVATAR is the latest nail to that coffin...
He has the visual part right, but his writing clearly needs improving, and I think he needs to delegate the writing to someone else... He can be co-writer if he needs to in order to maintain his vision, but he needs a co-writer like he had on Terminator in order to improve what has been his weakness for more than 2 decades: the writing part...
If he nails that part, his visual artistry (mostly due to WETA on this occasion) will be put to a much better use...
So, I don't dislike him (I like most of his movies) but I am not blind to his shortcomings... ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 01, 2010, 11:56:14 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 01, 2010, 11:56:14 PM
Don't know if this was posted:
http://www-ext.wetafx.co.nz/features/avatar1/
http://www-ext.wetafx.co.nz/features/avatar1/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
What about it? I must be missing something?
Only two ways this can go - either you worship Cameron or you're a hater. No room for in between.
QuoteSo, I don't dislike him (I like most of his movies) but I am not blind to his shortcomings...
Only two ways this can go - either you worship Cameron or you're a hater. No room for in between.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2010, 12:29:07 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2010, 12:29:07 AM
I'm neither. I enjoy his older films more so than anything post Terminator 2. But I don't hate the man, I have no reason to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 02, 2010, 12:32:59 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 02, 2010, 12:32:59 AM
Same here. I don't have wet dreams over the guy, and I don't want to kill him either...he's just...there. I have no love or hatred toward the man. I liked Avatar and and his older stuff. I also liked Dark Knight which has been a topic of debate in chorus with Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 02, 2010, 03:28:23 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 02, 2010, 03:28:23 AM
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Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 12:01:08 AMJust some interesting videos on the CGI creation.
What about it? I must be missing something?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 04:20:10 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 04:20:10 AM
Oh okay. Couldn't hardly see anyway. The brightness on my monitor here is rooted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 02, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 02, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2010, 04:47:30 AM
Directing accounts for more than just setting up shots and getting actors to do their job the way you want them. A director, regardless of whether they've written the script or not, is still in charge of the overall feel of the movie and its final delivery. It's the director's idea for the final outcome that influences every major creative department - The script is just the blueprint.
Even if a director doesn't write the script, he's still involved with the script. Of course a director has to be involved in every aspect - that's his job. That is literally part of the job description.
But that doesn't mean he has to be the person in charge of every aspect. That's just ridiculous. That's like saying a director is lesser than another because he doesn't do the special effects personally, because he wasn't head of the costume department, because he wasn't the head caterer. That's not his job. His job is to unify the individual departments to follow a common aesthetic goal. You still go out and hire an effects crew, a cinematographer, etc. ... and, yes, even a writer.
Some people have really good ideas for stories, but simply cannot write worth a crap. That doesn't make them lesser storytellers, or lesser directors; it makes them shit writers. End sentence.
Elvis did just that. So he wasn't just a singer.
All I am saying is the more you do as a director and the better you are at those things...the better you are as a director. That's all I am saying. If a director comes up with a good story but can't write the script...he is a better director for it. James Cameron can come up with a great story and a great script. He is a better director than those that can just come up with a story.
Elivs was a better singer because he could play an instrument. However, Dylan is better than he is because he wrote great songs, played more instruments and sung. Same thing with Cameron vs Speilberg. How many things can Cameron do great as a director...a whole lot more than Speilberg. However, that doesn't make Speilberg less of a director...he is still great...it just means Cameron is better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
What about it? I must be missing something?QuoteSo, I don't dislike him (I like most of his movies) but I am not blind to his shortcomings...
Only two ways this can go - either you worship Cameron or you're a hater. No room for in between.
I beg to differ there, SM... A 'hater' is a fanatic that is unable to like anything in something he is proud to hate... I don't believe anyone is perfect...
BUT there is one thing to struggle to achieve perfection and improve the skillset you already have and another is to stagnate, like Cameron did in terms of screenwriting...
I mean, he doesn't bring anything new to his stories, just to the visual approach...
That is my only beef with him: that he had 10 years to improve his writing skills (take a writing course, if he was not egomaniacal as he has always been) as well as the tech stuff...
If I were a perfectionist, having realised by now that I had failed to be nominated best screenplay, I would improve it the best I could to earn the 'Top Five' categories... Because without a good story, no actor can excel...
But Cameron doesn't aim for that, he just does the movies HE wants to SEE (keyword here), as he admittedly says so...
I can get that, but what I can't get is a director who writes as well and is satisfied that his movies only win awards in the technical department and are scorned for the poor writing and character development... I understand that as a former art dep man, he appreciates being awarded for his imagination, but given he is also a writer, it is appaling to watch him evolve so very little...
:-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 02, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 02, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
QuoteThat is my only beef with him: that he had 10 years to improve his writing skills (take a writing course, if he was not egomaniacal as he has always been) as well as the tech stuff...
If I were a perfectionist, having realised by now that I had failed to be nominated best screenplay, I would improve it the best I could to earn the 'Top Five' categories... Because without a good story, no actor can excel...
yeehh buut people i kno do like the film even if the core plot seemed like been there done that....good stories never get old....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 02, 2010, 03:40:07 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 02, 2010, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
I can get that, but what I can't get is a director who writes as well and is satisfied that his movies only win awards in the technical department and are scorned for the poor writing and character development...
It might be because I don't discuss James Cameron's work with people on the internet very often, but you're literally the only person I've seen "scorning" him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 05:31:16 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 02, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
good stories never get old....
Nah, just boringly dull as hell if you don't add something up... :P ;) Huh, who said AVATAR had a 'good' story? You're the first...! :o :D ;D
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 02, 2010, 03:40:07 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 02, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
I can get that, but what I can't get is a director who writes as well and is satisfied that his movies only win awards in the technical department and are scorned for the poor writing and character development...
It might be because I don't discuss James Cameron's work with people on the internet very often, but you're literally the only person I've seen "scorning" him.
Maybe that's because I look past the spectacle and see his flaws, his shortcomings, and want something more than just scenery in the movies I watch...even disposable ones such as these... >:( ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
QuoteHe is a better director than those that can just come up with a story.
Coming up with the story or script just means you're good at coming up with the story or script. Doesn't have any bearing on anyone's skills as a director.
QuoteI beg to differ there, SM... A 'hater' is a fanatic that is unable to like anything in something he is proud to hate... I don't believe anyone is perfect...
I was, in fact, mocking the tone of certain posters who blindly brand any criticism as 'hating'. I guess in a thread about James Cameron I should've been much more blatant. ;D
QuoteBut Cameron doesn't aim for that, he just does the movies HE wants to SEE (keyword here), as he admittedly says so...
Ah, but to be fair, history has shown that what he wants to see is what massive amounts of other people wants to see as well.
Quotebut given he is also a writer, it is appaling to watch him evolve so very little...
Quite. To the point of devolving.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 02, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
All I am saying is the more you do as a director and the better you are at those things...the better you are as a director. That's all I am saying. If a director comes up with a good story but can't write the script...he is a better director for it. James Cameron can come up with a great story and a great script. He is a better director than those that can just come up with a story.
Elivs was a better singer because he could play an instrument. However, Dylan is better than he is because he wrote great songs, played more instruments and sung. Same thing with Cameron vs Speilberg. How many things can Cameron do great as a director...a whole lot more than Speilberg. However, that doesn't make Speilberg less of a director...he is still great...it just means Cameron is better.
So you respect Anderson more than Scott...because...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
Crappy scripts > no scripts apparently.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 03:56:36 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 03:56:36 AM
QuoteNah, just boringly dull as hell if you don't add something up... Huh, who said AVATAR had a 'good' story? You're the first...!
there has never been a film like Avatar before....so how is it not decent? it is considerably original...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Which bit?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:19 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Which bit?
well it being a movie not based on earth, humans are able to control giant blue aliens on a dangerous planet infested with other bigger dangerous aliens....nupp cant say ive heard of another movie with those things...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:57 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:57 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 03:56:36 AMQuoteNah, just boringly dull as hell if you don't add something up... Huh, who said AVATAR had a 'good' story? You're the first...!
there has never been a film like Avatar before....so how is it not decent? it is considerably original...
Never been in what way? We've already established the story has been told a hundred times already and in much better form.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:19 AMQuote from: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Which bit?
well it being a movie not based on earth,
...
How many sci-fi films have you seen, exactly?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 02, 2010, 12:28:22 PMExcept totally not, because it's not a director's job to do those things.
All I am saying is the more you do as a director and the better you are at those things...the better you are as a director.
It is literally not part of the job description. Being a writer has literally zero bearing on one's competence in directing. The two are wholly unrelated skills.
QuoteElivs was a better singer because he could play an instrument.What does playing an instrument have to do with being able to sing?
I can play bass. I can write music. Your ears will bleed if I start singing. Just because I can do the first two does not in any way make up for my utter, utter incompetence for the last one. I am not a better singer than Elvis because I can write my own shit; I still sound like a cat being anally violated with a cheese-grater when I start to sing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:13:16 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:13:16 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:11:29 AMQuoteElivs was a better singer because he could play an instrument.What does playing an instrument have to do with being able to sing?
I can play bass. I can write music. Your ears will bleed if I start singing. Just because I can do the first two does not in any way make up for my utter, utter incompetence for the last one. I am not a better singer than Elvis because I can write my own shit; I still sound like a cat being anally violated with a cheese-grater when I start to sing.
I'm similar to that, except I can kinda sing a few songs okay. If I'm ever near you and you decide to start singing, remind me to run. Fast.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:16:12 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:16:12 AM
QuoteHow many sci-fi films have you seen, exactly?
so youre saying youve seen this same basis of a story set on another planet? what film is this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:18:48 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:18:48 AM
Doesn't have to be from a film (http://io9.com/5390226/did-james-cameron-rip-off-poul-andersons-novella)
Samples plz or it never happened.
QuoteI still sound like a cat being anally violated with a cheese-grater when I start to sing.
Samples plz or it never happened.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:20:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:20:30 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:16:12 AMQuoteHow many sci-fi films have you seen, exactly?
so youre saying youve seen this same basis of a story set on another planet? what film is this?
I'm saying it's not the first film set on another planet, and the story is definitely not original.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:23:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:18:48 AMActually, to undermine my own point, I can sing pretty decently :(QuoteI still sound like a cat being anally violated with a cheese-grater when I start to sing.
Samples plz or it never happened.
Elvis would still have my ass, though.
f**k Bob Dylan, though, I could have him any day.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:24:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:24:21 AM
It's not so much how he sings it, but what he's singing that makes him so great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:25:44 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:25:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:20:30 AMQuote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:16:12 AMQuoteHow many sci-fi films have you seen, exactly?
so youre saying youve seen this same basis of a story set on another planet? what film is this?
I'm saying it's not the first film set on another planet, and the story is definitely not original.
that doesnt seem to make sense...in that logic that means most movies have some elements of other movies mish mashed and that means theyre not original.....eg. aliens and doom arent set on the earth and are about a group of guys with gunss and they eventually die off...well yep doom definately meant to copy aliens and whatever other film has the same sorta storyline...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Doom wasn't supposed to be original in the first place, considering it's based on the video game of the same name. Hell, it wasn't a foregone conclusion the film would suck when it was first announced.
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 04:33:05 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 04:33:05 AM
Avatar is like a prostitute, once you get past the makeup she isn't that beautiful or unique. That's the best metaphor I came come up with for the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:33:25 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:33:25 AM
Quotethat doesnt seem to make sense...
It makes perfect sense. Movies have their inspiration or genesis in something and often it's books and or other movies. Avatar, as has been said ad nauseum, is very similar to Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas or The Last Samurai. The trick when writing movies is to hide your inspiration by dressing it up as something new. Cameron did a great job with this on Aliens.
He didn't on Avatar, because it's obvious to even the biggest Avatar that it's a predictable and unoriginal story - it simply doesn't bother them. And it seems the idea of a cripple transporting his mind into another being in order to roam around a hostile environment isn't terribly original either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:40:12 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:40:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Doom wasn't supposed to be original in the first place, considering it's based on the video game of the same name. Hell, it wasn't a foregone conclusion the film would suck when it was first announced.
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
you cant help but find alot of stories have little elements of other stories but its the way they are executed and what they add on that makes it its own movie.....sorry but just seeing avatar have similarities to other films aint enough reason for me to forget what it does have that other films dont...
sure the core basis aint that original, (Pocahontas) but thats like saying the lion king films werent good because they had similarities to hamlet and romeo and juliet....
QuoteAnd it seems the idea of a cripple transporting his mind into another being in order to roam around a hostile environment isn't terribly original either.
hmmm cant say ive seen another film with such a concept...examples?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:42:53 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:42:53 AM
Not a film; a book. The link is a little higher up the page.
Similarities from multiple sources, yes. Not the exact same plot of two or three movies with a different setting. Cameron has never been the most original of people, but he's tried much harder in the past.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:40:12 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Doom wasn't supposed to be original in the first place, considering it's based on the video game of the same name. Hell, it wasn't a foregone conclusion the film would suck when it was first announced.
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
you cant help but find alot of stories have little elements of other stories but its the way they are executed and what they add on that makes it its own movie.....sorry but just seeing avatar have similarities to other films aint enough reason for me to forget what it does have that other films dont...
sure the core basis aint that original, (Pocahontas) but thats like saying the lion king films werent good because they had similarities to hamlet and romeo and juliet....
Similarities from multiple sources, yes. Not the exact same plot of two or three movies with a different setting. Cameron has never been the most original of people, but he's tried much harder in the past.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:47:10 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:47:10 AM
QuoteSimilarities from multiple sources, yes. Not the exact same plot of two or three movies with a different setting. Cameron has never been the most original of people, but he's tried much harder in the past.
dont forget he did write the basic elements of the movie quite a few years ago....if he made this movie before the last samurai, pocahontas and dances with wolves...there wouldnt be a problem....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 04:49:52 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 04:49:52 AM
Yes, but they had The Matrix. Wonder where he got his "plug in and control" concept from? ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:51:02 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:51:02 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:24:21 AM"He just smoked my eyebrows
It's not so much how he sings it, but what he's singing that makes him so great.
And punched my cigarette".
Um.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:56:43 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 04:56:43 AM
Tweeter and the Monkeyman is da bomb yo.
However since all those films preceed Avatar by a long, long time, there IS a problem.
Hamlet I can see, but Romeo and Juliet? Either way, if the source material is hidden well enough - it's not an issue. Star Wars and Alien both drew on a bunch of things for inspiration and from that something new was created. As Space Marines said, if you only draw on one or two, they become harder to hide. And even if you do use a more universal plot - at least makes some changes to it to not make it so predictable.
Quotedont forget he did write the basic elements of the movie quite a few years ago....if he made this movie before the last samurai, pocahontas and dances with wolves...there wouldnt be a problem....
However since all those films preceed Avatar by a long, long time, there IS a problem.
Quotesure the core basis aint that original, (Pocahontas) but thats like saying the lion king films werent good because they had similarities to hamlet and romeo and juliet....
Hamlet I can see, but Romeo and Juliet? Either way, if the source material is hidden well enough - it's not an issue. Star Wars and Alien both drew on a bunch of things for inspiration and from that something new was created. As Space Marines said, if you only draw on one or two, they become harder to hide. And even if you do use a more universal plot - at least makes some changes to it to not make it so predictable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:59:51 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:59:51 AM
QuoteHamlet I can see, but Romeo and Juliet?
lion king sequel....nala and covu (howeever u spell theyre names...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 05:01:56 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 05:01:56 AM
Oh. Never watched the others.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:02:30 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:02:30 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:51:02 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 04:24:21 AM"He just smoked my eyebrows
It's not so much how he sings it, but what he's singing that makes him so great.
And punched my cigarette".
Um.
Remember, everyone must get stoned.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 05:05:33 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 05:05:33 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:02:30 AMIf people have to be intoxicated to appreciate someone's work, well, maybe they're just really, really shit.
Remember, everyone must get stoned.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:06:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:06:45 AM
It's a line from one of his songs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 05:08:11 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 05:08:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 05:05:33 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:02:30 AMIf people have to be intoxicated to appreciate someone's work, well, maybe they're just really, really shit.
Remember, everyone must get stoned.
true when stoned a Uwe Boll film would probably seem decent... :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:08:55 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:08:55 AM
No. Not even then. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 05:09:38 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 03, 2010, 05:09:38 AM
That man can NEVER be decent.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 05:26:02 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 05:26:02 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 05:06:45 AMMy point still stands :P
It's a line from one of his songs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 03, 2010, 02:56:32 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 03, 2010, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 04:11:29 AM
Except totally not, because it's not a director's job to do those things.
It is literally not part of the job description. Being a writer has literally zero bearing on one's competence in directing. The two are wholly unrelated skills.
" Of course a director has to be involved in every aspect - that's his job. That is literally part of the job description."<--didn't you write this in an earlier post. All I am saying is that the better he is at understanding every aspect (understanding is sometimes doing)...the better he is at a director.
Quote
What does playing an instrument have to do with being able to sing?
I can play bass. I can write music. Your ears will bleed if I start singing. Just because I can do the first two does not in any way make up for my utter, utter incompetence for the last one. I am not a better singer than Elvis because I can write my own shit; I still sound like a cat being anally violated with a cheese-grater when I start to sing.
I am sorry...I meant that makes him a better musician. I don't know what your songs are like...but if you happen to write great songs...and play the instrument well...then you are a better musician than Elvis....maybe not a better singer. Dylan can't sing...I will give him that...but he is the better musician
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 03, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 03, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
The only thing I've ever heard that was supposed to be "revolutionary" was the visual effects and the focus on new 3D cameras and virtual 3D sets to film in. Even Cameron himself was quoted as saying that this was all of his favorite sci-fi stories wrapped into one, which doesn't at all suggest he was presenting it as some "revolutionary" story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 09:35:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 03, 2010, 02:56:32 PMDidn't I then write that doesn't mean he has to be in charge of them?
" Of course a director has to be involved in every aspect - that's his job. That is literally part of the job description."<--didn't you write this in an earlier post.
QuoteAll I am saying is that the better he is at understanding every aspect (understanding is sometimes doing)...the better he is at a director.You can understand scripts and storytelling fine without being able to write. Again, two largely unrelated processes. And no. It has little to no bearing on your competence as a director, because they aren't the same jobs.
QuoteI am sorry...I meant that makes him a better musician.And all through this argument you've really been meaning filmmaker, not director? Because otherwise you're not really making sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 03, 2010, 05:58:21 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2010, 04:30:43 AM
Avatar is presenting itself as something revolutionary and different when in reality, it's not different or exciting in anyway, other than its pretty visuals. And pretty visuals alone do not equal a good movie.
The only thing I've ever heard that was supposed to be "revolutionary" was the visual effects and the focus on new 3D cameras and virtual 3D sets to film in. Even Cameron himself was quoted as saying that this was all of his favorite sci-fi stories wrapped into one, which doesn't at all suggest he was presenting it as some "revolutionary" story.
In the effect department, yes. That's what I meant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 11:00:53 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 11:00:53 PM
Quotewhich doesn't at all suggest he was presenting it as some "revolutionary" story.
Only wish it were.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 03, 2010, 11:03:23 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 03, 2010, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 09:35:56 PM
You can understand scripts and storytelling fine without being able to write. Again, two largely unrelated processes. And no. It has little to no bearing on your competence as a director, because they aren't the same jobs.
Understand HOW to write them (not structure...but how to write a good screenplay)....and HOW to write a story. Anyone can read and understand the structure of a screenplay.
Speilberg is great...but if there is a flaw in the screenplay (ie "stupid" dialogue) can Speilberg re-write that? Can he take charge of that? No.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:42 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:42 PM
As the director he can say "This dialogue isn't good enough - go back and do it again".
And while I'm wishing - only wish Cambo went back and re-wrote some of his stupid dialogue.
And while I'm wishing - only wish Cambo went back and re-wrote some of his stupid dialogue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Um, yes. Yes he can.
If he realises it as bad dialogue, it is entirely within his ability to change it.
He could go on set and throw out the script and film whatever he wanted to. The script is a blueprint; many directors allow for improvisation and most will make last-second changes if they're necessary.
If he realises it as bad dialogue, it is entirely within his ability to change it.
He could go on set and throw out the script and film whatever he wanted to. The script is a blueprint; many directors allow for improvisation and most will make last-second changes if they're necessary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 04:01:22 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Um, yes. Yes he can.
If he realises it as bad dialogue, it is entirely within his ability to change it.
He could go on set and throw out the script and film whatever he wanted to. The script is a blueprint; many directors allow for improvisation and most will make last-second changes if they're necessary.
Yes agreed. They are in charge of everything, or supposed to be depending on the studio. Those who understand how to write a great script can make changes themselves (or tell the writer to do it) easier than those who don't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 04:09:51 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 04:09:51 AM
You don't have to be able to write a great script to recognise flaws in someone elses.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 04, 2010, 04:51:19 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 04, 2010, 04:51:19 AM
I don't think Cameron once said that the "STORY" is revolutionary or even tried to imply that.
I remember seeing something where he said something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing)
"you've been to outerspace before, you've been to other planets before, but not like this"
And in saying that he was implying that visually the film will be different to any other film that could be considered similar.
I have to agree with that sentiment.
I remember seeing something where he said something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing)
"you've been to outerspace before, you've been to other planets before, but not like this"
And in saying that he was implying that visually the film will be different to any other film that could be considered similar.
I have to agree with that sentiment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 04, 2010, 04:58:52 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 04, 2010, 04:58:52 AM
I don't.
Pandora was no more visually cool than any other fantasy setting like, say, Skull Island.
Pandora was no more visually cool than any other fantasy setting like, say, Skull Island.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 05:09:33 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 05:09:33 AM
Or any of the planets we see for 10 seconds each in Revenge of the Sith.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 04, 2010, 05:38:19 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 04, 2010, 05:38:19 AM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 04, 2010, 05:39:15 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 04, 2010, 05:39:15 AM
The bio-luminescence made people gasp in each showing I've been to.
Like one of the reviews said, I think Cameron and his team invented some new colors.
Like one of the reviews said, I think Cameron and his team invented some new colors.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 05:43:26 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 05:43:26 AM
Wouldn't dispute it looked good. Just not ZOMG TEH AWESOMZ good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2010, 08:01:37 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2010, 08:01:37 AM
ZOMG AVTAR TEH AWESOMZ!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 04:01:22 AMOkay ... but if the script sucks, that's the writer's fault, not the director's, and even if the director's a good writer there's only so much he can do.
Those who understand how to write a great script can make changes themselves (or tell the writer to do it) easier than those who don't.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 04, 2010, 04:58:52 AMIf I had Avatar-like resources I'd go and do a live-action version of Fantastic Planet or something similar.
Pandora was no more visually cool than any other fantasy setting like, say, Skull Island.
Screw glowing jungles; gimme balls-out surreal sci-fi in photorealistic 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 04, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 04, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Um, yes. Yes he can.
If he realises it as bad dialogue, it is entirely within his ability to change it.
He could go on set and throw out the script and film whatever he wanted to. The script is a blueprint; many directors allow for improvisation and most will make last-second changes if they're necessary.
Yup. Pretty much one of the biggest reasons Predator ended up being a good film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
Okay ... but if the script sucks, that's the writer's fault, not the director's, and even if the director's a good writer there's only so much he can do.
Ultimately it is the director's fault. It is his name on the film, people are going to blame him. He is like a coach of a team. If things go good...you get the credit...if things go bad...then you get all the blame.
My point is...I totally agree with you...there is so much a director can do...he is limited by the studio. However, if you see a sucky script as a director and the studio blocks you from changing it...what do you do? I say you should compromise some but only to a certain extent and not to the extent of a sucky script....people shouldn't walk all over you
In the case of Spiderman 3 and the whole Venom thing, for instance, Raimi should have said 'No' to Venom like he wanted. The studio/producer walked over him, now he is compromised. If one person can walk over him, now everybody thinks they can.
I blame Fox and Fincher with Alien 3.....what could Fincher do? Could he have walked out...if so I believe he should. Would he get fined for breach of contract? Probably.
This Hollywood stuff is difficult.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 04, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 04, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 11:00:53 PMQuotewhich doesn't at all suggest he was presenting it as some "revolutionary" story.
Only wish it were.
He wishes it was? Aside from the obvious fact that any filmmaker "wishes" what they do will be "revolutionary", making your comment fairly meaningless, I don't think he set out to "revolutionize" story-writing at all, as was clear from the quote.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 04, 2010, 08:20:31 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 04, 2010, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
I blame Fox and Fincher with Alien 3.....what could Fincher do? Could he have walked out...if so I believe he should. Would he get fined for breach of contract? Probably.
David did the next best thing: never promoted the movie nor ever spoke about it again..well, until a Zodiac interview...
I actually loved Alien3, went to watch it three times at the time... I loved the guts DF had to kill Newt, to kill Hicks, to make it gothic and hopeless... The cinematography was superb, and the story had holes in it (Golic was the most obvious one, though one could think he was killed by the Xeno eventually...) but it was a superb experience in the theaters... and it ended the trilogy beautifully with what i had not expected at all: Ripley's heroic suicide... That scene was criticised but for me, it mirrored perfectly in Ripley's face the calmness in her mind and the panic in the Queen... All that ended with the 'This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo...signing off...' Don't ask me how it got there on the EEV, though! :D ;D
I love to watch it, the one I watch more often in the Quadrilogy... I love the movie entirely, from the superb initial credits to the last shot...
And knowing afterwards the sheer chaos that engulfed the production of it, I respect even more the final result... If DF did this in those circumstances, imagine what he would have done if he had had total creative control...!!! :o
All things considered, a very good movie indeed! And this in 1992 no less...! 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 04, 2010, 12:24:22 PMNo, it isn't.
Ultimately it is the director's fault.
QuoteIt is his name on the film, people are going to blame him.I ... no, most people realise that the name of the person who wrote the film isn't the same as the one who directed the film and will blame the appropriate person.
QuoteHowever, if you see a sucky script as a director and the studio blocks you from changing it...what do you do?That depends on if you want to eat for the rest of the year or not :)
QuoteIf one person can walk over him, now everybody thinks they can.[
No, not so much ...
QuoteI blame Fox and Fincher with Alien 3.....what could Fincher do? Could he have walked out...if so I believe he should. Would he get fined for breach of contract? Probably.Or he could do what he did, and try to salvage the film and do something good with it.
QuoteThis Hollywood stuff is difficult.Not really.
Avatar's script isn't worth the data it was stored on, but that doesn't in any way stop Cameron's direction being pretty friggin' flawless throughout the rest of the film. A shitty script has no bearing on a director's ability to direct, only what he's directing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
QuoteHe wishes it was? Aside from the obvious fact that any filmmaker "wishes" what they do will be "revolutionary", making your comment fairly meaningless, I don't think he set out to "revolutionize" story-writing at all, as was clear from the quote.
What are you on about? ???
I wish the story was revolutionary. All the way through I hoping something was going to happen that would surprise me as much as the eye candy did, and it was disappointing when that never happened.
QuoteGolic was the most obvious one, though one could think he was killed by the Xeno eventually..
He didn't have any decent presence in the threatrical cut, so wasn't missed.
QuoteDon't ask me how it got there on the EEV, though!
It was picked up by the EEVs radio receiver.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:37:33 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:37:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
I ... no, most people realise that the name of the person who wrote the film isn't the same as the one who directed the film and will blame the appropriate person.
Who got most of the blame for Batman and Robin? You and I know it was Akiva Goldsman's fault (However I do blame Schumacher and others)...Goldsman's writing career didn't suffer..did it...A Beautiful Mind (which is about a person with a mental disease...okay you can write something serious about people with mental diseases when you know you have a chance at winning an Oscar...but you just ham it up in Batman and Robin...shame to you Goldsman!....don't get me started)...I am Legend.....Di Vinci. However, Schumacher didn't have such a great time. Now you can say it was the choices he made after Batman and Robin...but was he given the same opportunties as he did before Batman and Robin? Who is to say?
The director is the guy in charge. Not the producer, studio, or writers. This is your football team....now coach it. A coach knows if his QB is suffering...fix it. If his running back is having trouble fix it. Now of course the comparison stops because the coach doesn't actually become the QB...but you get my point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 04:40:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:37:33 AMSchumacher deserved most of the blame. Two words. Bat nipples.
Who got most of the blame for Batman and Robin?
QuoteNow of course the comparison stops because the coach doesn't actually become the QB...but you get my point.No, actually, the comparison keeps going. Coach doesn't become the quarterback, by and large the director doesn't just become the writer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:50:36 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:50:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 04:40:25 AM
Schumacher deserved most of the blame. Two words. Bat nipples.
No, actually, the comparison keeps going. Coach doesn't become the quarterback, by and large the director doesn't just become the writer.
So you don't blame him for allowing a shitty script?
That comparison comes down to athletics which is totally different skill set than a director knowing how to write a great screenplay. Besides if the coach can't throw a football...and if the director can't write...then find somebody to fix it...doesn't mean do it yourself. However, if you know how to do it...then you are better off as a director.
If a director doesn't want to become a writer or want to fix the writing when he encounters a shitty script...then he is not becoming involved in every aspect of the film...he is refusing to do so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 05:36:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 05:36:24 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 04:50:36 AMShitty is subjective. That's the problem.
So you don't blame him for allowing a shitty script?
QuoteThat comparison comes down to athletics which is totally different skill set than a director knowing how to write a great screenplay.It's comparatively the same.
A coach can tell a quarterback he's doing it wrong; that doesn't mean he can personally do it, or do it better.
QuoteHowever, if you know how to do it...then you are better off as a director.No, you really aren't.
Paul Anderson can write his own scripts, but he's f**king terrible at it. He is not helped by re-writing scripts; short of having hired an absolutely terrible writer in the first place, it is a bad thing.
QuoteIf a director doesn't want to become a writer or want to fix the writing when he encounters a shitty script...then he is not becoming involved in every aspect of the film...he is refusing to do so.Or he doesn't think it's shitty.
Steven E. de Souza wrote Die Hard, one of the best action movies ever made, helped in no small part by its solid writing.
He went on to write and direct Street Fighters.
Being able to write does not help you as a director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 05:36:24 AM
So you don't blame him for allowing a shitty script?
Shitty is subjective. That's the problem.
You telling me Schumacher thought that was a good script?
Quote
It's comparatively the same.
A coach can tell a quarterback he's doing it wrong; that doesn't mean he can personally do it, or do it better.
However if he has had experience knowing what is like to be a good QB..say if Bradshaw became a coach...then he could help the player out better than if he knew nothing. Then he could show him techniques to make it better. The coaches physical ability and age eliminates him from doing it better...that is where the comparison is different from directing vs writing.
QuotePaul Anderson can write his own scripts, but he's f**king terrible at it. He is not helped by re-writing scripts; short of having hired an absolutely terrible writer in the first place, it is a bad thing.
I have already established Anderson's stance when I was comparing him to Ridley Scott. I respected Anderson more because he wrote AVP...however Alien is the better written movie (that Scott didn't write). I meant knowing how to write a great script makes you a better director..that is the whole argument.
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Steven E. de Souza wrote Die Hard, one of the best action movies ever made, helped in no small part by its solid writing.
He went on to write and direct Street Fighters.
Being able to write does not help you as a director.
That is a question that boggles my mind...especially in the case of Predator and Predator 2....the same people were involved in writing both....why did one suffer over the other.
I think Steven E. de Souza knew that Die Hard was a better screenplay than Street Fighter...he knows how to write a solid screenplay...so why did he write and direct Street Fighter? This goes back to Avika Goldsman. The fact is they didn't treat it with the same respect. This is even a worse offense. When you are a solid writer and you turn out garbage...then that is worse. That is on purpose.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 06:52:06 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 06:52:06 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 05, 2010, 06:00:11 AMYes. For what he wanted, he thought the script was good.
You telling me Schumacher thought that was a good script?
QuoteI have already established Anderson's stance when I was comparing him to Ridley Scott. I respected Anderson more because he wrote AVP...however Alien is the better written movie (that Scott didn't write). I meant knowing how to write a great script makes you a better director..that is the whole argument.Anderson wrote a bad script and directed it decently. Scott took a good script and made changes to make it better.
Scott can't write, but his ideas were beneficial to the script. Anderson can, and his ideas were detrimental.
QuoteThat is a question that boggles my mind...especially in the case of Predator and Predator 2....the same people were involved in writing both....why did one suffer over the other.Because McTiernan made appropriate changes to make something that could be horribly cheesy into a solid piece of action cinema.
Oh, and McTiernan can't write.
The Thomas Brothers are good writers, but it was McTiernan - a director who can't write - who made the necessary changes to make the movie what it was.
QuoteWhen you are a solid writer and you turn out garbage...then that is worse. That is on purpose.De Souza didn't think he turned out garbage, though - He sounds rather please with the movie on his commentary. He didn't intentionally write a shit script because he never thought his script was shit in the first place.
There. Is. No Relation. Between writing ability and directing ability; even less between being able to write, and being able to make good changes to a script or story.
Ridley Scott, John McTiernan, Steven Spielberg can't write, yet made story changes to positively effect their movies.
Steven E. de Souza and Paul W. S. Anderson can write, yet they still made shitty, shitty movies with terrible story decisions.
James Cameron writes a shitty script, but the direction is still flawless.
There is no solid relation. This is a demonstrable argument.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 06, 2010, 06:23:09 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 06, 2010, 06:23:09 AM
It's the same logic behind having an editor for books and manuscripts; the editor may not be able to write themselves, but they can see things that would make someone else's work better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 06, 2010, 06:59:54 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 06, 2010, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2010, 10:21:28 PMQuoteHe wishes it was? Aside from the obvious fact that any filmmaker "wishes" what they do will be "revolutionary", making your comment fairly meaningless, I don't think he set out to "revolutionize" story-writing at all, as was clear from the quote.
What are you on about? ???
I wish the story was revolutionary. All the way through I hoping something was going to happen that would surprise me as much as the eye candy did, and it was disappointing when that never happened.
I was only "on" about something because your original comment wasn't clear.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
Fincher's Directors Cut to Alien 3 is fantastic. Apart from the at times horrificly fake looking dog alien.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 06, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 06, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
QuoteFincher's Directors Cut to Alien 3 is fantastic.Except that Fincher wasn't involved in making the extended version at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 06, 2010, 07:31:33 PMIt was still good ... and it was still the material he filmed.QuoteFincher's Directors Cut to Alien 3 is fantastic.Except that Fincher wasn't involved in making the extended version at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2010, 09:37:35 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2010, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 09:16:43 PMSo was the theatrical cut.
and it was still the material he filmed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2010, 09:37:35 PMReally?Quote from: DamnBirds on Mar 06, 2010, 09:16:43 PMSo was the theatrical cut.
and it was still the material he filmed.
::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 07, 2010, 05:01:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 07, 2010, 05:01:23 AM
He did direct it, you know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Mar 07, 2010, 10:34:48 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Mar 07, 2010, 10:34:48 AM
QuoteJames Cameron says the "Avatar" sequel will likely be called "Na'vi" and not "Avatar 2" since Jake is no longer an avatar. He also says the movie will probably focus more on the spiritual nature of the Na'vi.
I think we can see that there's a greater receptivity to it on the part of the audience than certainly the studio originally imagined. We pared back on it a fair bit in the first film, and I think we can go farther in that direction and not alienate people.
Makes sense. But I guess people who didn't like the "hippie" side of the movie will be disappointed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 01:56:21 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 01:56:21 PM
Looking at James Cameron's track record of sequels (Aliens, T2) I hope he does decide to make a follow up film, because hopefully it'll followed suit of being bigger and better than the first just like his other sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 07, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 07, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
Agreed. Cameron makes good sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 07, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
Agreed. Cameron makes the best sequels.
Fixed. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 07, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 07, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
T2, and Aliens where great sequels from him. And I hope we can get more history of the Avatar universe in the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
Actually i think this movie is a masterpiece, it totally blew my mind. Probably james camerons best movie. Yes, probably better than aliens, T1 and T2.
In a few years, this will be etablished as a classic, BY EVERYONE. Im sure about that. Even the most idiotic critics will realise how wrong they were.
Great movies always need a bit time to be accepted by everyone.
In a few years, this will be etablished as a classic, BY EVERYONE. Im sure about that. Even the most idiotic critics will realise how wrong they were.
Great movies always need a bit time to be accepted by everyone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:35:04 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
Actually i think this movie is a masterpiece, it totally blew my mind. Probably james camerons best movie. Yes, probably better than aliens, T1 and T2.
In a few years, this will be etablished as a classic, BY EVERYONE. Im sure about that. Even the most idiotic critics will realise how wrong they were.
Great movies always need a bit time to be accepted by everyone.
I completely agree, but I don't want no trouble off of anyone.
My opinion is my opinion, and isn't up for debate. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
That's debatable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: coolishmike on Mar 07, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Post by: coolishmike on Mar 07, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Am I the only one on earth who didn't think Avatar was that great?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:39:57 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:39:57 PM
Read past 190 pages of topic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
Once again, I wholeheartedly agree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
The story was unoriginal, uninspired, and uninteresting, the characters were one-dimensional cliches with little or no character arc, and the messages seemed rather forced.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:48:35 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 09:48:35 PM
What he said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:46:03 PMQuote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
The story was unoriginal, uninspired, and uninteresting, the characters were one-dimensional cliches with little or no character arc, and the messages seemed rather forced.
The "message" you think is the "message" is NOT the message of the film. The story is not original, you are right, but it doesnt need to be. The story remains interesting and is PERFECTLY used and telled. The characters were one-dimensional?! I absolutly disagree. Maybe the villian was a bit cliche, but thats all, all the other characters i think were interesting to learn about. Exspecially Jake Sully. His dialog´s about when something is real or not always gives me the chill. Also, the main character is the planet itself, by the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:25 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:51:25 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:46:03 PMQuote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
The story was unoriginal, uninspired, and uninteresting, the characters were one-dimensional cliches with little or no character arc, and the messages seemed rather forced.
The "message" you think is the "message" is NOT the message of the film. The story is not original, you are right, but it doesnt need to be. The story remains interesting and is PERFECTLY used and telled. The characters were one-dimensional?! I absolutly disagree. Maybe the villian was a bit cliche, but thats all, all the other characters i think were interesting to learn about. Exspecially Jake Sully. His dialog´s about when something is real or not always gives me the chill. Also, the main character is the planet itself, by the way.
What he said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:47 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:47 PM
...
A chunk of rock orbiting around a gas giant was the main character. Well, it had more personality than most of the characters.
A chunk of rock orbiting around a gas giant was the main character. Well, it had more personality than most of the characters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:02:53 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:02:53 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Maybe the villian was a bit cliche,
Understatement of the century.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:05:58 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:47 PM
...
A chunk of rock orbiting around a gas giant was the main character. Well, it had more personality than most of the characters.
That made me giggle, but you didnt got it, right?
However, ill end this discussion now, it will lead to nothing at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:07:20 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:07:20 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 09:59:25 PMQuote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:51:25 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:46:03 PMQuote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
I don't think so. It'll be well-know, but it simply wasn't good enough to be considered a cinematic masterpiece.
Why dont you think so? Tell me? This movie has everything and more. I watched it 4 times already and im always noticed some new things. The first time i watched it i thought it was great, the whole concept stunned me and i went with a feeling out of the cinema which i NEVER had before after i watched a movie, but when i watched it the second time, i realised how much this movie actually has to offer, how symbolic the movie is. After i watched it the third time, i though it was absolutely amazing.
The story was unoriginal, uninspired, and uninteresting, the characters were one-dimensional cliches with little or no character arc, and the messages seemed rather forced.
The "message" you think is the "message" is NOT the message of the film. The story is not original, you are right, but it doesnt need to be. The story remains interesting and is PERFECTLY used and telled. The characters were one-dimensional?! I absolutly disagree. Maybe the villian was a bit cliche, but thats all, all the other characters i think were interesting to learn about. Exspecially Jake Sully. His dialog´s about when something is real or not always gives me the chill. Also, the main character is the planet itself, by the way.
What he said.
+1
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
The whole film left me disappointed. I expected something grand and epic, and all I got was uninspired dribble, spruced up with pretty pictures. I will give this film some credit, however. The designs of many of the aliens were very creative, and I loved the designs for the spacecraft and military aircraft.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:21:51 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 07, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
The whole film left me disappointed. I expected something grand and epic, and all I got was uninspired dribble, spruced up with pretty pictures. I will give this film some credit, however. The designs of many of the aliens were very creative, and I loved the designs for the spacecraft and military aircraft.
Well, i respect your opinion, even if i think its wrong. Give the movie another watch and dont just pay attention to the pretty pictures. Maybe you´ll like it then. Because every movie of james cameron was extremley cliche in their own way, but i think Avatar really got Cameron to another level. I think thats the main point why many people dont like the movie: They pay to much attention to the pictures and miss everything else, which is, A LOT.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Dude, we did the opposite. We paid attention to everything but the visuals, which is why the film is average. Everything but the visuals is average.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Dude, we did the opposite. We paid attention to everything but the visuals, which is why the film is average. Everything but the visuals is average.
I really dont think so. I think many people go to into the cinema thinking: "Ah, lets leave the brain at home, i will not need it". Thats a mistake. But however, as i said, this will lead to nothing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Avatar requires no thinking. No Cameron movie does. Any symbolism is right there in front of you.Not saying that as a negative thing, it just is. Avatar was not subtle at all, a chimp could understand it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 11:00:46 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 11:00:46 PM
Aliens is an exception to that though only because it's a sequel and you need to see Alien to understand it better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 11:06:38 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Avatar requires no thinking. No Cameron movie does. Any symbolism is right there in front of you.Not saying that as a negative thing, it just is. Avatar was not subtle at all, a chimp could understand it.
And this is why you dont pay enough attention. Or else you wouldnt say that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 11:16:55 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 07, 2010, 11:16:55 PM
Keep telling yourself that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 07, 2010, 11:20:51 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 07, 2010, 11:20:51 PM
AVATAR was always a huge FX orgy, and it did a hell of a good job doing that. only an hypocrite would state otherwise.
i can say that because i watched the movie and i just couldn't find a single complex plot device in its three freaking hours long.
i can say that because i watched the movie and i just couldn't find a single complex plot device in its three freaking hours long.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 11:31:51 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 07, 2010, 11:31:51 PM
Cameron (the man of breathtaking sequels) has made Avatar with a simple storyline so that the sequel will always be better that it. Just look at Terminator how simple that was and then look at T2, that is how he rolls and its a good way of making classic movies. It wouldn't surprise me if Avatar 2 turned out to be an instant classic and a masterpiece.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 07, 2010, 11:59:50 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 07, 2010, 11:59:50 PM
Why is it every movies obligation to provide hidden meanings and political messages? Why does every movie have to make you think? What's wrong with good old fashioned simple story-telling? Avatar is entertaining is it not? That is the main ingredient to any film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 08, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 08, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
yeah, but the problem is people who see thing where they arent.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 12:08:24 AM
Ah, you're referring to people interpreting an anti-military message in the movie? I think that seeing as this is a James Cameron movie there is no message intended, he is not afterall a director associated with strong political views, or views of any kind really (within his films). He just makes hella good films (except Titanic of course)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 08, 2010, 12:11:09 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 08, 2010, 12:11:09 AM
you havent meet an avatar die hard fan, do you?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
I love Avatar, I think it's awesome but no apart from IMDB I have no experience with Avatar obsessives.
"The only thing more annoying than an Avatar fanboy is an Avatar hater."
I read that somewhere. I agree.
"The only thing more annoying than an Avatar fanboy is an Avatar hater."
I read that somewhere. I agree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 04:24:33 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 04:24:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2010, 06:52:06 AM
Because McTiernan made appropriate changes to make something that could be horribly cheesy into a solid piece of action cinema.
Oh, and McTiernan can't write.
The Thomas Brothers are good writers, but it was McTiernan - a director who can't write - who made the necessary changes to make the movie what it was.
Then McTiernan was doing his job as a director...not just setting up shots but taking control of every aspect of film....he was taking charge.
McTiernan recognized crappy elements and corrected them. If he could write...then I am sure he would have written them himself. Not only did he do it with the story, but the creature design as well. He told the studio to take the creature back to the drawing board and that is how Winston got on board. Taking control of every aspect. Respect goes to McTiernan.
I respect Anderson because he writes his own stuff...is he the greatest writer in the world....I never said he was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
But anyone can write their own stuff. It's whether they are good or bad. Anderson is just a guy who keeps writing despite how bad he is at it. Nothing respectable about that. You and I could both do that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 04:38:03 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 04:38:03 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
But anyone can write their own stuff. It's whether they are good or bad. Anderson is just a guy who keeps writing despite how bad he is at it. Nothing respectable about that. You and I could both do that.
Anderson writes screenplays for Hollywood, mine haven't been picked up. I respect him for that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 08, 2010, 05:07:43 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 08, 2010, 05:07:43 AM
Avatar did not won, and oh well. I still think it's a great movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 05:14:04 AM
Post by: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 05:14:04 AM
Thank god.
So happy Waltz won best supporting actor.
So happy Waltz won best supporting actor.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2010, 05:18:59 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2010, 05:18:59 AM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 07, 2010, 09:38:26 PMExcept a decent plot.
This movie has everything and more.
And an original thought.
And characters I couldn't describe two to a sentence.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 08, 2010, 05:19:14 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 08, 2010, 05:19:14 AM
Quote from: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 05:14:04 AM
Thank god.
So happy Waltz won best supporting actor.
Yep, glad to see Waltz win it. Also glad Hurt Locker won over Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 12:30:36 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 12:30:36 PM
All of the winners deserved their awards....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 12:31:52 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 12:31:52 PM
District 9 really deserved at least one Oscar..! :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 08, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 08, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
District 9 didn't recieve an award!?? WTF!?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Mar 08, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
District 9 didn't recieve an award!?? WTF!?
I know! The same academy who gave the best picture award to Shakespeare in love instead of Saving Private Ryan! Back in 1998.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Or the same ones who gave Best Special Effects to Golden compass instead of Transformers...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Or the same ones who gave Best Special Effects to Golden compass instead of Transformers...
Idiots!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
Well at least Avatar didn't win, so the Academy isn't a total travesty I guess. But D9 really deserved something, such a shame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Avatar won in all the right places.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
I meant BP ;) I didn't watch the ceremony but I was betting the whole night would just a back and forth battle between HL and Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:09 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Or the same ones who gave Best Special Effects to Golden compass instead of Transformers...
Idiots!
Yeah, IDIOTS!!! Transformers TOTALLY deserved an Academy Award!!! ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:09 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Or the same ones who gave Best Special Effects to Golden compass instead of Transformers...
Idiots!
Yeah, IDIOTS!!! Transformers TOTALLY deserved an Academy Award!!! ::)
(For the special effects nothing else.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
Post by: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Avatar won in all the right places.
Except cinematography.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:50:04 PMQuote from: Navaha on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:09 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Or the same ones who gave Best Special Effects to Golden compass instead of Transformers...
Idiots!
Yeah, IDIOTS!!! Transformers TOTALLY deserved an Academy Award!!! ::)
(For the special effects nothing else.)
I think the fact it was a shit fest detracts from the good SFX. The Golden Compass did have good special effects though, they looked more real than the transformers IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:00:21 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Huol on Mar 08, 2010, 02:53:19 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Avatar won in all the right places.
Except cinematography.
I think it deserved that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 03:50:46 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 03:50:46 PM
Well, justice has been served!
AVATAR won only three [actually, I think AD and Cinematography were misgiven - i would take the recreation of a REAL, AUTHENTIC ERA over an outrageously unrealistic and farfetched bogus Earth-like planet orbiting a Jupiter-like planet anytime, and AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
I have regained my faith in the Academy and it seems they still favor content over spectacle... Good for them... ;)
I often wondered if the 10 BP nominees were there to legitimise AVATAR's downfall...and now I know... 8)
I actually think 2012 had FAR BETTER VFX than AVATAR, as making realistic VFX takes more time, more observation skills than just making stuff up, as Jim Cameron did in AVATAR...
JIm got what he deserved: he was scorned out of the top 5 and deservedly so... Maybe he will take the hint and improve his decaying writing skills since Aliens...
I mean, if we really pay attention to it, T1 and T2did not have that good scripts...they were as robotic as the terminator itself...
I actually hope JC learns from this and finally makes his movies more than just eye-candy...
And I am betting that a year from now, the next CGheavy, 3d movie will outclass this overhyped JC extravaganza, with just a little more story... That's how easily forgettable this movie is...
Without a good story and good characters, this movie will only be remembered for the money it did, not the memorability of what a movie should be all about: telling a compelling story, with VFX aiding the storytellng, not BEING the story... ::)
Hopefully, most 3D-enthusiastic directors out there will learn from AVATAR's Oscar debacle (it truly was) and be wary of the story they are supposed to be telling and not just how it looks...
JC has leaned his pockets, but is now true that he is a tremendous visualist without a story to tell... :P ??? :D
AVATAR won only three [actually, I think AD and Cinematography were misgiven - i would take the recreation of a REAL, AUTHENTIC ERA over an outrageously unrealistic and farfetched bogus Earth-like planet orbiting a Jupiter-like planet anytime, and AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
I have regained my faith in the Academy and it seems they still favor content over spectacle... Good for them... ;)
I often wondered if the 10 BP nominees were there to legitimise AVATAR's downfall...and now I know... 8)
I actually think 2012 had FAR BETTER VFX than AVATAR, as making realistic VFX takes more time, more observation skills than just making stuff up, as Jim Cameron did in AVATAR...
JIm got what he deserved: he was scorned out of the top 5 and deservedly so... Maybe he will take the hint and improve his decaying writing skills since Aliens...
I mean, if we really pay attention to it, T1 and T2did not have that good scripts...they were as robotic as the terminator itself...
I actually hope JC learns from this and finally makes his movies more than just eye-candy...
And I am betting that a year from now, the next CGheavy, 3d movie will outclass this overhyped JC extravaganza, with just a little more story... That's how easily forgettable this movie is...
Without a good story and good characters, this movie will only be remembered for the money it did, not the memorability of what a movie should be all about: telling a compelling story, with VFX aiding the storytellng, not BEING the story... ::)
Hopefully, most 3D-enthusiastic directors out there will learn from AVATAR's Oscar debacle (it truly was) and be wary of the story they are supposed to be telling and not just how it looks...
JC has leaned his pockets, but is now true that he is a tremendous visualist without a story to tell... :P ??? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
Calm down YutaniDitch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 08, 2010, 03:54:05 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 08, 2010, 03:54:05 PM
Good luck with that... :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
Who cares? It's about the end porduct not about the method used to create it.
Avatar was awesome.
Who cares? It's about the end porduct not about the method used to create it.
Avatar was awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
Who cares? It's about the end porduct not about the method used to create it.
Avatar was awesome.
You said it!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
Who cares? It's about the end porduct not about the method used to create it.
Avatar was awesome.
Good to know this is the only thing you seem to disagree with me... :D ;D
By the way, it does matter, since there are other movies in competition who deserve as or more than AVATAR...
I would like to know... especially if I was a FAN...! ;D
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
Calm down YutaniDitch.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 08, 2010, 03:54:05 PM
Good luck with that... :D
Hey, I am cool...You should see me when I'm hot! :P :D ;D
I am happy that AVATAR's sparkle has faded enough for people, especially the Academy, to see what this movie really is all about: 'a whole lot of nothing'...in a pretty enough package... :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 08, 2010, 06:23:55 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 08, 2010, 06:23:55 PM
Avatar will be remembered for a looooooooong time.
Also, perhaps not winning best picture was all for the best.....................they did give Bullock best actress.
So enjoy your "faith" in the academy. LOLOLOLOL
Also, perhaps not winning best picture was all for the best.....................they did give Bullock best actress.
So enjoy your "faith" in the academy. LOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
Avatar will be a classic for sure. Avatar 2 will be awesome too. Cameron is good at sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
The Oscars is just one big wankfest.
But we all knew that already.
But we all knew that already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 07:04:01 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 08, 2010, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Mar 08, 2010, 06:23:55 PM
Avatar will be remembered for a looooooooong time.
Also, perhaps not winning best picture was all for the best.....................they did give Bullock best actress.
So enjoy your "faith" in the academy. LOLOLOLOL
I never said they will get back to the good road after this... I only said I still have hope they might...
I believe that for a FAN, AVATAR may be longlasting... but you're wrong... This movie will easily be replaced by the next one... In a year from now, it will be just a BO figure... And nobody will ever accuse AVATAR of being the Best Movie of 2010... Only fans will... Even critics were awed by the visuals but quickly 'disawed' by the story and characters... Every review said the same: good visuals but poor story and characters'... Not my words, mind you... ;)
History proves it... popcorn blockbusters without story to remember them by, often fade to oblivion aside from the statistics...
This is no 'sci-fi classic' to remember... This is no Alien, no Aliens, no 2001, and why? Because Alien and the rest had stories, memorable ones, and characters and settings that stood the test of time... Jake is dull, Grace is dull, the other avatar guy is dull, the villain is the biggest cliché of all (JC still thinks villains act like that for real?!) and therefore the biggest downer, as we all know that it is the villain that raises the stakes in a movie...
So, what is memorable about this? Pandora? Yeah, if you like unrealistic, unscientific, farfetched worlds... Alien worked because the planet was believable, the Alien was believable...they COULD exist...
Pandora doesn't survive closer scrutiny... the animals just have more limbs and ridiculous colors... the monkey, the horses and the 'rhinos' springs to mind...
Like I said, if you are talking about the Bo numbers, I believe you... But quality-wise, you know it won't...
And tech-wise, it will last until the next CG-heavy 3-D movie comes out... Then, it will be outdated... like Windows 95...
It isn't even ground-breaking in terms of technology...Like the story, it simply borrows from everywhere without a single identity mark in it...
Jim developed facial Mocap... well, the eyes are still dead, despite what JC says, so what use is the facial perfection, which even failed from time to time in that movie? When you have a movie almost entirely done in CG, it is more likely to have more things failing... hence why CG is just supposed to be a 'director's tool', like John Bruno said in the AVP extras.
Also, Celtic, I take it if AVATAR HAD won BP, your discourse would be entirely different, huh? Just wondering...! :P ;)
Just teasing ya, man! AVATAR is a good movie to 'debrain', meaning, a movie just to spend some time without shedding any brain cells... Doesn't make it good though... or memorable...
Tell me one thing about AVATAR that will endure in your mind...! ??? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 08, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Smurfycat sex.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 08:20:49 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2010, 08:20:49 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
Avatar will be a classic for sure. Avatar 2 will be awesome too. Cameron is good at sequels.
Given how lacking his recent list of films are, I doubt the sequel will be any better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 08, 2010, 08:27:49 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 08, 2010, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 03, 2010, 04:05:19 AMQuote from: SM on Mar 03, 2010, 03:58:33 AM
Which bit?
well it being a movie not based on earth, humans are able to control giant blue aliens on a dangerous planet infested with other bigger dangerous aliens....nupp cant say ive heard of another movie with those things...
It's Pocahontas in outer space. You have to look past the setting and look at the movies' core. That's the part that's been done over 9,000 times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: xenomorphine117 on Mar 08, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Post by: xenomorphine117 on Mar 08, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Or Dances with Wolves on pandora lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 08, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 08, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
Interesting article...
http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/blog/68-avatar-king-of-the-box-office-world-not-king-of-the-awards-world?nc
http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/blog/68-avatar-king-of-the-box-office-world-not-king-of-the-awards-world?nc
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 09:57:57 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 09:57:57 PM
Never mind the plot holes... here's floating mountains (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/pray-that-kryptonite-is-avatars-undoing-20100305-poso.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2010, 10:26:52 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2010, 10:26:52 PM
Please.
There's plenty of reason why she could've gotten off the hook or the situation gone completely unnoticed. Mountain out of a molehill.
There's plenty of reason why she could've gotten off the hook or the situation gone completely unnoticed. Mountain out of a molehill.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
If only they'd addressed it in the film. And her reporting a fault with helicopter thing would've done the job quite nicely.
Sadly they didn't and then you see her going to free Jake and co, and I'm going "f**k! Hiding a file in a cake would've been more realistic..." Shit like that irritated me, because Cameron is capable of much much better.
Sadly they didn't and then you see her going to free Jake and co, and I'm going "f**k! Hiding a file in a cake would've been more realistic..." Shit like that irritated me, because Cameron is capable of much much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2010, 10:31:46 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 08, 2010, 10:31:46 PM
I agree it would clear things up, but I just don't find it to be any kind of plot-hole as suggested from the article. It's simply vague.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 08, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 08, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 08, 2010, 04:12:08 PMI didn't bother to read his whole rant, but this quote of his I highly disagree with. If anything, it's harder to do good cinematography in CG than in camera. After all, anyone can use a camera. It takes extra effort to get good composition in CG, since you have to actually make the CG.
AVATAR's cinematography was dubious, not knowing whether it was done in a computer using Maya, which anyone can do :P, for instance, or REAL cinematography ::)]
Who cares? It's about the end porduct not about the method used to create it.
Avatar was awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
Yeah I was bit "Does Avatar count?" with the cinematography category, but if it's all about the look of a shot, then I guess it's okay if the camera is real or virtual. And on that count, then Up shoulda been nommed to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 08, 2010, 11:48:52 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 08, 2010, 11:48:52 PM
But it isnt the cinematographer's job to make the CG. The whole point of cinematography is to make the ordinary beautiful, but find a way to capture the real world in such a light that it forces the audience to look at things like never before. What Avatar did was the exact opposite, they composited the perfect environment, made something that had no flaws to begin with, and then decided which angle fit best for the scene.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 08, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
I see what you're saying, but if a CG film has a DP (http://www.pixar.com/artistscorner/andrew/interview.html), then I can't see why they can't be eligible.
However, all digital characters should also be able to get a nod too a la Andry Serkis.
However, all digital characters should also be able to get a nod too a la Andry Serkis.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 08, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 08, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
Nevermind avatar, hurt locker won to many things like best film and best director oh my god that film is a pile of poo.
But its alright this is the organisation that picked annie hall as best picture over starwars.
District 9 should have won not because it was a sci fi film but because it was original and bloody good as well.
But its alright this is the organisation that picked annie hall as best picture over starwars.
District 9 should have won not because it was a sci fi film but because it was original and bloody good as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
I thought District 9 and Up were both superior to Avatar, but there was no way either were going to win Best Picture. It was always going to be a two horse race.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 09, 2010, 12:06:12 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 09, 2010, 12:06:12 AM
I thought District 9 was. Up, eh, I didn't really like it. I found Fantastic Mr. Fox to be a much better animated film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
It was always going to be a two horse race.
How can anyone say the hurt locker deserved to get best picture.
Was the acting great? no imo it was passable no great performancs at all
Was the script good? can't think of of any stand out scenes with original thought provoking dialogue
Was the story original? The war is a drug story not if you count the deer hunter or apocalypse now.
Was the film well directed? Not sure about this but let me discuss the snipeing scene enemy sniper fires gets 2-3 kills.
He then proceeds to sit there for ages not returning fire to the american's now snipeing who miss two shots and sit there in plain view for what seems like ages and the sniper who either must be the luckyest b to ever pick up a gun or knows he's up againist hardcore americans now shits bricks and can't fire a shot!
And what happened to the british soldiers they just vanished for godsake.
Yeah give that dumb dick an award for best director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:53:23 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:53:23 AM
QuoteHow can anyone say the hurt locker deserved to get best picture.
I dunno. Ask the Academy members who voted. I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 09, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 09, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 12:44:59 AMQuote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
It was always going to be a two horse race.
And what happened to the british soldiers they just vanished for godsake.
Yeah give that dumb dick an award for best director.
What scene are you reffering to again?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:59:11 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:59:11 AM
And it's not often you here a woman director getting referred to as a "dumb dick", but one must look out when an armchair critic has an angry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:06:56 AM
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:06:56 AM
Its the scene were they come across a what appears to be british forces they may be private like aegis but they do have english accents.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:08:07 AM
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 12:59:11 AM
And it's not often you here a woman director getting referred to as a "dumb dick", but one must look out when an armchair critic has an angry.
Yeah i could have called her something else but decided not to ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 09, 2010, 01:14:14 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 09, 2010, 01:14:14 AM
The Hurt Locker won because it was amazing in nearly every aspect, that's why.
I think that they shot Avatar with a physical camera that had a viewfinder to see the CGI.
I think that they shot Avatar with a physical camera that had a viewfinder to see the CGI.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
That's about the only interest I have in Avatar now - how they done it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 09, 2010, 01:19:15 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 09, 2010, 01:19:15 AM
i want to see the hurt locker but it hasnt been premiered on my country :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 01:25:51 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 01:25:51 AM
Dumb dick? HA! Sorry, I just haven't heard a woman been called that.
I can't comment on Hurt Locker, because like SM and Chupa I have not seen it, but from all the complaints I have heard about it, they all sound like script problems and not directional issues. I'm going to try and find a copy of it soon so I can formulate an honest opinion.
That aside, is anyone else just excited that Tyler Perry and Oprah didn't have the power to get Precious the top award? It gives me hope that it isn't all just bureaucratic BS.
I can't comment on Hurt Locker, because like SM and Chupa I have not seen it, but from all the complaints I have heard about it, they all sound like script problems and not directional issues. I'm going to try and find a copy of it soon so I can formulate an honest opinion.
That aside, is anyone else just excited that Tyler Perry and Oprah didn't have the power to get Precious the top award? It gives me hope that it isn't all just bureaucratic BS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 01:32:17 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 01:32:17 AM
Quotethey all sound like script problems
Obviously not enough problems to stop it winning for that too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 01:34:31 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 01:34:31 AM
Which is one of the main reasons why I want to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 01:36:57 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 01:36:57 AM
I haven't seen Hurt Locker either. I did, however, watch Near Dark on Blu-Ray this weekend!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:50:20 AM
Post by: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:50:20 AM
:o near darks on blu ray ::)
How is the quality of picture?
How is the quality of picture?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 02:07:52 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 02:07:52 AM
Near dark.
ZINNNNGGGG!!!!!
ZINNNNGGGG!!!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 02:23:40 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 02:23:40 AM
It actually is more like Very Dark. :P
The outdoor scenes were great, but my projector had a hard time with some of the dark scenes 'cause I had it running through a RGB/D-SUB converter. Very clear transfer though overall. Got it for the wife mostly. $8 at Wal-Mart! Cheap!
The outdoor scenes were great, but my projector had a hard time with some of the dark scenes 'cause I had it running through a RGB/D-SUB converter. Very clear transfer though overall. Got it for the wife mostly. $8 at Wal-Mart! Cheap!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 09, 2010, 02:27:00 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 09, 2010, 02:27:00 AM
Did you see what James Cameron did after the Oscars ended.. He went up on stage...took the mic and said:
"f**k the Oscars, I'm rich bitch!"
Then he danced like P. Diddy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQFZ8_exo0
"f**k the Oscars, I'm rich bitch!"
Then he danced like P. Diddy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQFZ8_exo0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 03:12:38 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 09, 2010, 03:12:38 AM
STEP AWAY from the Youtube tag....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 09, 2010, 04:08:51 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 09, 2010, 04:08:51 AM
Quote from: Mattyoung1977 on Mar 09, 2010, 01:06:56 AM
Its the scene were they come across a what appears to be british forces they may be private like aegis but they do have english accents.
Yea, they were private contractors. They all got shot and killed except for one of em'
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 09, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 09, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Mar 08, 2010, 11:48:52 PM
But it isnt the cinematographer's job to make the CG. The whole point of cinematography is to make the ordinary beautiful, but find a way to capture the real world in such a light that it forces the audience to look at things like never before. What Avatar did was the exact opposite, they composited the perfect environment, made something that had no flaws to begin with, and then decided which angle fit best for the scene.
Perfect definition of Cinematography there, Undeadite! ;D
If you digitally manipulate every pixel onscreen, which can be done with any software any programmer can do it...Just do a 'Cinematography 101' but without the cranes and pullies and other physical limitations...
Good DP/C is to capture the beauty of the real world, not build it in a lab... ::)
That is where movies have gone wrong... CG is the king now and nobody will ever remember the actress that did Neytiri because SHE IS NOT ONSCREEN and whose performance in the short side-by-side clips I've seen were far better than the final composite...
Movies are about stories and actors, not about CG-built environments...
Imagine Aliens in full CG 3D, or imagine Predators in full CG and 3D...
A movie is supposed to envolve the spectator through the story and the performances, not artificially through goggles...! :P ::) :o
AVATAR fans are not real movie fans! There, I said it! I saw it once and clearly felt like I was mugged out of my money and punched in the gut! :P :o
I actually knew AVATAR would have no story whatsoever, knowing in advance Cameron would write it! :P
But I was expecting he could still make me care for the characters! Not one! Not even Grace!
The Hurt Locker is not my fave either, but it is done with real actors, real acting, real stories (well, as in 'human drama')
For that alone, it was by definition, BETTER than AVATAR...
Second, it's historic: the first woman to win best director... And JC must be hating her even more... after all, they had been married once... :P ;D
Actually, I have liked Bigelow's work ever since POINT BREAK...
So, that was why I think the Academy MAY HAVE come to their senses...Popcorn SHALLOW movies ( as opposite to thought-provoking ones such as TDK) have no business here... If the story was the key factor in the nominations, as it should be, TITANIC and AVATAR would never be here or ever won besides technical categories...
Fully made computer movies (what I came to call FMVs, like the segments in a videogame that were CG animated) should never compete with real life ones...
It is embarassing to watch and know movies that should have been there and had more right (quality) to be there and having AVATAR as a serious contender for BP is offensive to all the movies that were done this past year!
It is time the Academy stops for a minute and rethinks the basics of what makes a movie A MOVIE and what a movei has to have to achieve BP status!
I don't think the reason the Oscars are losing audiences is due to the movies being less 'visible' ::), but to the show itself (VERY POOR this year!) and the credibility they gained over the years by awarding movies like TITANIC just because they sold well in the BO!
AVATAR should have been the last one to contend! District 9 had more merit than AVATAR in terms of story, acting and the storytelling documentary style because it HAD those, whereas AVATAR had none! At least, none worth remembering!
I think Cameron fulfilled his fantasy dream, but now he wants to shove a sequel down people's throats!
Now, he is just being greedy!... :o ;D
... or FOX is! :P :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 09, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 09, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
I disagree with the belief that anybody can do good cinematography in a CG environment.
First: Cinematography involves angles, lighting, camera movement. Just as you can set up lights on a set, you can set up lights in CG. You just happen to have a limitless camera budget.
Camera movement- just as you can move a camera in real space, you can move it on a computer.
Angles- just as angles can make or break a movie shot live, they can make or break a movie in CG. Just because you created the location (and the DP doesn't do that), doesn't mean that it's a piece of cake to shoot in an interesting way.
And whereas anybody can move a camera, not everybody can set up a digital camera in a CG program. The CG DP must have the talents of a live DP as well as an understanding of the program.
Want an example of bad cinematography in CG? Space Chimps. It looks bad, even though it's CG. And the blame doesn't lie on the crudely designed characters.
First: Cinematography involves angles, lighting, camera movement. Just as you can set up lights on a set, you can set up lights in CG. You just happen to have a limitless camera budget.
Camera movement- just as you can move a camera in real space, you can move it on a computer.
Angles- just as angles can make or break a movie shot live, they can make or break a movie in CG. Just because you created the location (and the DP doesn't do that), doesn't mean that it's a piece of cake to shoot in an interesting way.
And whereas anybody can move a camera, not everybody can set up a digital camera in a CG program. The CG DP must have the talents of a live DP as well as an understanding of the program.
Want an example of bad cinematography in CG? Space Chimps. It looks bad, even though it's CG. And the blame doesn't lie on the crudely designed characters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Mar 09, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Post by: Vanski on Mar 09, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
I liked the cinematography in Avatar, i like it, when cinematography has rich colours, but uses color wisely. Im more fan of old fashioned cinematography, as for example in Raiders of the lost ark, it's beautiful to look at and timeless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 09:45:10 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 09:45:10 PM
QuoteGood DP/C is to capture the beauty of the real world, not build it in a lab...So I guess any director of photography who ever worked using a set built on a sound-stage is automatically disqualified.
Hell, by that definition, the slightest bit of set-dressing invalidates the work of a cinematographer because what they're filming isn't the real world.
QuoteAVATAR fans are not real movie fans!That's like saying people who are fans of animated movies aren't "real" movie fans - ie, bullshit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 09:47:04 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 09:47:04 PM
There's a difference between shooting something fake, and something nonexistent.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
When you're working in 3D, even though the environment is digital you still have to move a camera through it, and you still have to light it properly. The only difference is one is tangible and the other isn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
When that much of a movie is an entire digital composite, how much actual camera work is used? Of course cameras were used to get the 3D matrix, but can motion capture be considered cinematography? It's a technical aspect that bleeds heavily into special effects and strays away from capturing a complete moment. And from what I've seen, it wasn't so much putting effects into the frame during post, but taking what was shot and throwing it into the effects, and then using a computer to decide what the best angles were. And I'm not sold on the lighting, because all of that would have had to be done in post to accommodate what background environment they eventually decided upon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
Lighting 3D animation properly is really f**king hard.
3D animation is just as much of an artform as shooting the precious minatures that so many bitch and moan about as being SOOOOOO much better than CGI.
So the computer is making the creative decisions now?
3D animation is just as much of an artform as shooting the precious minatures that so many bitch and moan about as being SOOOOOO much better than CGI.
QuoteAnd from what I've seen, it wasn't so much putting effects into the frame during post, but taking what was shot and throwing it into the effects, and then using a computer to decide what the best angles were.
So the computer is making the creative decisions now?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
So the computer is making the creative decisions now?
No, but would you call the person who decides what angles are used a cinematographer? I would imagine Cameron made most of those decisions; taking everything that was already rendered and picking the best presentation while in a computer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:26:30 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:26:30 PM
Cameron - like most directors - would work with the DP to achieve the desired result.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 09, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
But did Mauro Fiore go in and pick which angles were best once the motion capture was complete?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:38:39 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:38:39 PM
I have no idea. Be interesting to find out when the DVD comes out.
Either way, it's not much different to Ridley Scott not only storyboarding Alien, but often operating the camera.
Either way, it's not much different to Ridley Scott not only storyboarding Alien, but often operating the camera.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 09, 2010, 10:48:20 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 09, 2010, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 09, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
AVATAR fans are not real movie fans!
I don't like it that much either, but...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.njoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F12%2Fhigh_horse.jpg&hash=80d5f3b4fc5629e6c5469bdda5217fea3657bde9)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
f**ken oath.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
3D animation is just as much of an artform as shooting the precious minatures that so many bitch and moan about as being SOOOOOO much better than CGI.
I used to say that, but it has now gotten to the point where CGI can effectively replace miniatures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 10, 2010, 12:09:27 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 10, 2010, 12:09:27 AM
Yes, in many instances.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2010, 12:49:19 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2010, 12:49:19 AM
The cinematographer, by definition, is the guy who chooses the angles.
What, you think it's just about knowing how to turn on a camera?
What, you think it's just about knowing how to turn on a camera?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2010, 04:24:10 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2010, 04:24:10 AM
He doesn't just choose angles - In fact that's more the director's job. He's in charge of the overall look of the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 10, 2010, 04:25:27 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 10, 2010, 04:25:27 AM
Or at least the bits that Cameron lets them control.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 10, 2010, 12:34:20 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 10, 2010, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 09:45:10 PMQuoteAVATAR fans are not real movie fans!That's like saying people who are fans of animated movies aren't "real" movie fans - ie, bullshit.
Yeah, I know...That was my 'hater' moment there... Sorry, guys... This movie gets on my nerves sometimes... :-[ :D ;D
Quote from: SM on Mar 10, 2010, 04:25:27 AM
Or at least the bits that Cameron lets them control.
HAHAHAHA...So true,so true...! ;D
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 09, 2010, 10:48:20 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 09, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
AVATAR fans are not real movie fans!
I don't like it that much either, but...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.njoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F12%2Fhigh_horse.jpg&hash=80d5f3b4fc5629e6c5469bdda5217fea3657bde9)
Nope, mine is a six-legged one...! :o And I left it on Pandora with the four-winged Panzer Dragoon ripoffs and the 6-armed pink monkeys...! :P ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 10, 2010, 11:49:37 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 10, 2010, 11:49:37 PM
For someone who hates Avatar you sure go on about it a lot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 02:03:11 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 02:03:11 AM
That's what happens when one hates something vehemently. It just angers you so much that some people herald it as something great or a masterpiece, and it just makes you go into an angry rage-rant. At least with me, it does.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:08:44 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:08:44 AM
That, or your head explodes.
Or is that only an occurrence during mind-blowing moments?
Or is that only an occurrence during mind-blowing moments?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 02:09:35 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 02:09:35 AM
It varies; it depends upon how explodable my head feels that day.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:11:23 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:11:23 AM
Ah yes, of course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 10:59:04 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 10, 2010, 11:49:37 PM::)
For someone who hates Avatar you sure go on about it a lot.
First of all, I don't HATE Avatar! I just think it is a nice package with nothing inside, the complete opposite to where the blockbuster movies should be going, which is 'not treating the viewers like retards'!
JC just anticipated that moviegoers would be mesmerised with his 3D world and neglect the sheer lack of originality and 'vision'...
For JC, technology is what's important, the storytelling takes the back seat of a BUS!
So, pardon me if I think this movie single-handedly nullified what seemed to have started with TDK, which was 'blockbusters with a BRAIN'! ... And Iron Man 2's 'more CG and even lesser brains' routine is close enough to prove AVATAR is not alone in stupidifying audiences! :o
I just feel sorry for those of us who want MORE, not just MORE of the SAME! :o ;)
:-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 12:30:03 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 10:59:04 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 10, 2010, 11:49:37 PM::)
For someone who hates Avatar you sure go on about it a lot.
First of all, I don't HATE Avatar! I just think it is a nice package with nothing inside, the complete opposite to where the blockbuster movies should be going, which is 'not treating the viewers like retards'!
JC just anticipated that moviegoers would be mesmerised with his 3D world and neglect the sheer lack of originality and 'vision'...
For JC, technology is what's important, the storytelling takes the back seat of a BUS!
So, pardon me if I think this movie single-handedly nullified what seemed to have started with TDK, which was 'blockbusters with a BRAIN'! ... And Iron Man 2's 'more CG and even lesser brains' routine is close enough to prove AVATAR is not alone in stupidifying audiences! :o
I just feel sorry for those of us who want MORE, not just MORE of the SAME! :o ;)
:-X
But don't you think that James Cameron made Avatar with a simple storyline so that the sequel will be a millions time better? I mean look at Aliens and T2 he knows how to make classic sequels so maybe he has another card up his sleeve.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 02:00:55 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 12:30:03 PM
But don't you think that James Cameron made Avatar with a simple storyline so that the sequel will be a millions time better? I mean look at Aliens and T2 he knows how to make classic sequels so maybe he has another card up his sleeve.
I don't think he INTENTIONALLY made T2 better, it just happened...! I mean, between 1986 and 1991, 5 years had passed...! ;)
I think he just worried about AVATAR looking good and did not take any time improving on the story...! He said so himself, he took very little time to write it...!
It was the tech that worried him, preventing him from putting it to the screen!
Maybe he'll listen to the critics (for once) and get a story to go with the visuals for the sequel (another one!), but I doubt it! T2 didn't have that much of a story either, but it had the cool SFX, the T1000, Arnold (a terrific 'bad' actor but with presence! :P ;D) and the action to distract us! And, of course, TIMING! ;)
Since JC 'threatened' that if AVATAR did well, he would do a sequel and since he has been true to his word ( :o), hopefully he will make it better, not just louder and more visually extravagant!
Key word on 'hopefully'... Chances are the movie will be out in a year or two to take advantage of the hype, so I don't think the story, as it turned out, has any room for improvement: I mean, what is there to watch? Sully and Neytiri raising rougrats? The humans coming back for an encore? 'Been there, done that'...
The reason a sequel is USUALLY better than the original is because the original had some quality inherent to it and had room or made room that enabled improvement... AVATAR's story is so déjà vu, so beaten down, that I don't think itcan improve without staggering novelty and originality!
I always hope for a better movie and a better story, just don't believe JC can write it!
His last movie before this one was 10 years ago, and had the same shortcomings this one STILL had: weak story, weak characters (they never looked nor sounded from the 1910's especially with the obvious 'insert here' allusions to painters of the time and others) and an uneven pacing...
AVATAR is not a TERMINATOR or an ALIENS...The times are different and the T and A movie had novelty at the time and a charismatic 'actor' and actress... T2 was an improvement on the tech and the style, but I remember the lasting value it had on me was the VFX, not the story...
The blockbuster genre is a type of movie that, contrary to the more 'traditional' type of movie (drama, thriller, etc), it either creates followers (Alien and Predator movies, for instance) or just adds on the followers of what the movie was based on (comics, cartoons, toys,...)...
I am torn between the two and as I grow older, I expect to have the blockbusters more mature and more thought-provoking... Since there is proof you can have both worlds (TDK), going back to mindless popcorn flicks seems to me a cheat and a coward move backwards!
JC targets a less demanding audience whereas Nolan and some of the new generation (Bay excluded, as he is more the JC type) procure to stimulate the audience while entertaining it and not just waste money on cheap, forgettable entertainment... !
It is a sad state of affairs when the top BO movie is a movie critics are unanimous to say 'yes it ihas stunning visuals but the story is very poor and full of holes and clichés'...
I think movies have to be novel, have to be original and like Renny Harlin and Vincent Ward said on the Alien3 extras, it has to 'bring something new to the audience, not just rehash what movie 1 and 2 did'...
I was surprised when at a time of crisis, people wasted so much money going to see an animation movie with, on occasion, humans in it (they looked like they were the VFX! :D), having to watch it with ridiculous geeky goggles (my sister went to see it in 3D and brought back the goggles, and I made the joke: 'Man, you should have taken pictures of the audience...that would have been an hilarious sight...but I digress...) and in 3-D to be amazed by it (like I said, I watched it in normal 2D and it made the banalities even more apparent to me!) and spend more money (as ticket prices aren't expensive enough!) as well to see it!!!
It is said that the more troubled times are, the more people want to watch kiddie-friendly popcorn movies!
Now, 3-D is miraculously the 'savior' of the drop of movie audiences! And to take advantage of the hype, we will now have 3-D TVs, and a boatload of movies in 3-D, etc...
If that's not worrying, I don't know what is! :-\ :o :-X
:-X Starting to repeating myself and that usually means that enough has been said! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
You do realise, Yutani, that the manner in which you apply your smileys makes you look completely insane? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 11, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
You do realise, Yutani, that the manner in which you apply your smileys makes you look completely insane? :D
Really? :P
:-X
Just to give the discourse a little more colour! :D
See, there I go again...! LOL
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
Yeah a simple "No I think he just wrote it as simple as possible to concentrate on the effects" would have done Yutani, not an essay.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
Yeah a simple "No I think he just wrote it as simple as possible to concentrate on the effects" would have done Yutani, not an essay.
Well, as Michael Wincott said in 'The Crow': 'A man has an idea, then that idea attracts others, like-minded, then the idea expands, the idea becomes the institution... What was the idea?'... :D
In short, any conclusion I get to has attached to it the ideas that brought it forth and so It becomes apparent the need to clear them up, preferably, to avoid the drawing of erroneous conclusions by my fellow posters!
In a shorter version, I find it useful to explain my views, hence the space consumption... I try to keep the writing flowing and 'bold' it down to highlight the key ideas... Ya gotta gimme points for those! ;D
I spoke about a lot more than just that, Alien3... To sum it down to only that minor idea would have left a LOT others out! :P ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Got ya now dude and you've been added to my buddy list :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 11, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 11, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Got ya now dude and you've been added to my buddy list :)
Gee, Alien3, I don't know what to say... :'( :P ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 11, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 11, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
I just think movies should be entertainment. They shouldn't HAVE to have huge, deep plots or all that nonsense, In my opinion the goal should be entertainment, anything more is a bonus.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 11, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 11, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
The thing is, Avatar tries very hard to get a point across. You don't have a scene of Sigourney Weaver screaming, "You MURDERERS!" in slow motion for nothing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 11, 2010, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 11, 2010, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Mar 11, 2010, 07:37:43 PMSo movie plots need to be dumbed down for more dumb audiences. ::)
I just think movies should be entertainment. They shouldn't HAVE to have huge, deep plots or all that nonsense, In my opinion the goal should be entertainment, anything more is a bonus.
And having a good plot is what makes it entertaining. All the other stuff should not be as entertaining.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 11, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 11, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Never said nothing about dumbing down. Just saying I get more entertainment from Scifi channel movies that I do from some boring movie that everyone heralds as an "Amazing Movie".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 11:04:41 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 11, 2010, 11:04:41 PM
You're contradicting yourself there, mate.
@ TJ. I concur; the use of smilies makes him appear schizophrenic.
@ TJ. I concur; the use of smilies makes him appear schizophrenic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 12, 2010, 01:07:41 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 12, 2010, 01:07:41 AM
Sigh, I'll try and be more clear. The deeper the plot, is fine, as long as the movie is entertaining. But this often isn't the case, alot of movies with deep plots end up being confusing or boring, in which case I prefer movies that are entertaining, even if they're "dumbed down".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 02:11:54 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 02:11:54 AM
I see. Personally, a deep story isn't really that important, although I give a film extra credit when it does that, i.e. 2001:A Space Odyssey. No, what I care about is an interesting, original story. Doesn't necessarily have to have some deep inner-meaning, i.e. Die Hard. The problem with Avatar was that it's story was neither deep, interesting, or original.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 12, 2010, 04:05:09 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 12, 2010, 04:05:09 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 11, 2010, 07:58:44 PMDramatic effect.
The thing is, Avatar tries very hard to get a point across. You don't have a scene of Sigourney Weaver screaming, "You MURDERERS!" in slow motion for nothing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 04:07:59 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 04:07:59 AM
Emmerich-esque house brick subtlety.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2010, 05:08:17 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2010, 05:08:17 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 12, 2010, 04:05:09 AMQuote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 11, 2010, 07:58:44 PMDramatic effect.
The thing is, Avatar tries very hard to get a point across. You don't have a scene of Sigourney Weaver screaming, "You MURDERERS!" in slow motion for nothing.
Not very dramatic when the feeling isn't there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:14:15 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:14:15 AM
FEEL THE DRAMA!!!
*massive 3D cock springs from the screen and slaps audience in the face*
*massive 3D cock springs from the screen and slaps audience in the face*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:15:41 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:15:41 AM
What the f**k was that!?! :o ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
what movie are you watching!? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:19:59 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:19:59 AM
Avatar!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:21:23 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:21:23 AM
I don't remember 3D cocks flying out at the audience ??? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:22:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 12, 2010, 05:22:21 AM
Neither did I! :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:23:06 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:23:06 AM
Ah.
My mocking of Cameron style subtlety and use of "dramatic effect" has proven way too subtle for this thread.
Shoulda known.
*goes to look for appropriate facepalm picture*
My mocking of Cameron style subtlety and use of "dramatic effect" has proven way too subtle for this thread.
Shoulda known.
*goes to look for appropriate facepalm picture*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:24:01 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 05:24:01 AM
I actually laughed quite a bit when I first read it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:29:55 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:29:55 AM
Hmmm.. my mis-spelling of "Feel" probably didn't help the "dramatic effect"...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 12, 2010, 05:59:06 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 12, 2010, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:14:15 AM
*massive 3D cock springs from the screen and slaps audience in the face*
So that's what that wet, sloppy sensation was...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 12, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 12, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
Avatar is getting a re-release in the summer.
http://www.joblo.com/avatar-getting-a-re-release-this-summer
Apparently Cameron feels that he got cheated out of the 3D screens with the release of newer films, and believes he deserves to make more mullah. In order to get people back into the 3D theaters, the re-release will have 'new footage'.
Overkill much?
http://www.joblo.com/avatar-getting-a-re-release-this-summer
Apparently Cameron feels that he got cheated out of the 3D screens with the release of newer films, and believes he deserves to make more mullah. In order to get people back into the 3D theaters, the re-release will have 'new footage'.
Overkill much?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 12, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Ok, now Cameron is being a jackass. Seriously, you have the highest grossing film of all time, just go home and let other people release their films, without having to deal with your film (again) and your selfishness. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: pmaz11 on Mar 12, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Post by: pmaz11 on Mar 12, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Yeah wow....that's pretty freaking ridiculous.
Can't just wait for the DVD release I guess...
*No matter, Cameron still lost best picture to his ex-wife haha. Enough said.
Can't just wait for the DVD release I guess...
*No matter, Cameron still lost best picture to his ex-wife haha. Enough said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 12, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 12, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:14:15 AM
FEEL THE DRAMA!!!
*massive 3D cock springs from the screen and slaps audience in the face*
i think i dont want to watch ALIEN 3D anymore D:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 12, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 12, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
James Cameron, you greedy bastard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 12, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 12, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
The only people who would be surprised by this news would be the same people who couldn't see the end of Avatar coming a mile off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 13, 2010, 12:03:03 AM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 13, 2010, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
The only people who would be surprised by this news would be the same people who couldn't see the end of Avatar coming a mile off.
How could ANYONE have foreseen that he was going to re-release it only a few months after being out of the theaters? Seriously, it barely even makes sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 02:49:38 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 02:49:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
The only people who would be surprised by this news would be the same people who couldn't see the end of Avatar coming a mile off.
I saw the ending coming, but I wouldn't have thought Cameron could be that egotistical.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 13, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 13, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
This is the self proclaimed "king of the world" remember.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 13, 2010, 04:25:40 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 13, 2010, 04:25:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2010, 05:23:06 AM
Ah.
My mocking of Cameron style subtlety and use of "dramatic effect" has proven way too subtle for this thread.
Shoulda known.
*goes to look for appropriate facepalm picture*
I understood the joke. I'm not as stupid as I may seem at times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 04:44:40 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 04:44:40 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 13, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
This is the self proclaimed "king of the world" remember.
How silly of me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nychus on Mar 13, 2010, 11:07:54 AM
Post by: Nychus on Mar 13, 2010, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: Sylizar on Mar 12, 2010, 01:07:41 AMThat's because those smart plots can distract and thereby irritate the audience who only wants the visible details. True and all but it still doesn't mean that those plots can't exist. They just need to shown accordingly. There are many different types of audience, all mixed to one big jumbled mess. To satisfy all of that mess you need to show the movie to them the right way so all the groups can adapt. Replacing good plots with a good looking crust with no content is not adapting a film but taking it's meaning AS entertainment. A good looking crust does not guarantee a core.
Sigh, I'll try and be more clear. The deeper the plot, is fine, as long as the movie is entertaining. But this often isn't the case, alot of movies with deep plots end up being confusing or boring, in which case I prefer movies that are entertaining, even if they're "dumbed down".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 13, 2010, 10:21:30 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 13, 2010, 10:21:30 PM
Cameron is the king of the world though!!! This rerelease has what 42 minutes of extra footage? Damn, I'm in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 11:50:21 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2010, 11:50:21 PM
42 minutes? Gee...what's the matter, he could find it in him to give us another hour?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 13, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 13, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
I wonder how much of that will comprise of extra hot, blue alien sex...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 14, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 14, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
man, this movie is gonna be on theaters forever.
i mean, there are people watching it 7 times in a row, imagine what this is going to do to the film industries :(
i mean, there are people watching it 7 times in a row, imagine what this is going to do to the film industries :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 14, 2010, 01:45:06 AM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 14, 2010, 01:45:06 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 13, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
I wonder how much of that will comprise of extra hot, blue alien sex...
All of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: RumorControl on Mar 14, 2010, 02:31:26 AM
Post by: RumorControl on Mar 14, 2010, 02:31:26 AM
Still haven't seen Avatar. I'm waiting for a nearby IMAX theater to release it in 2D. I'm not buying this 3D bullshit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 13, 2010, 10:21:30 PMJesus Christ, that runtime would be unbearable.
This rerelease has what 42 minutes of extra footage? Damn, I'm in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 04:41:47 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 04:41:47 AM
I'll wait for the DVD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 14, 2010, 04:45:22 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 14, 2010, 04:45:22 AM
Meh. I rather wait for the director's cut on DVD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: RumorControl on Mar 14, 2010, 02:31:26 AM
Still haven't seen Avatar. I'm waiting for a nearby IMAX theater to release it in 2D. I'm not buying this 3D bullshit.
Don't be fooled buddy, it isn't the typical shit flies at audiences face 3D. It isn't gimmicky at all, ever. It just makes the film feel more immersive and real, it is an experience more than anything watching Avatar.
Also the rerelease makes sense. the films has made 2.6 BILLION!!!!!!! at the box office so far *jaw drop* It has millions of fans who would love to see added footage. It's not arrogance to give people what they want. Also the studio will make more money from the film. Can you imagine the budget for his next film????
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
It has millions of fans who would love to see added footage. It's not arrogance to give people what they want. Also the studio will make more money from the film. Can you imagine the budget for his next film????
Yeah I can't wait to see the extended version and man if Avatar II (or "Na'vi" as its rumoured to be called) is made it's going to be truly awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 14, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 14, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 03:51:36 PMQuote from: RumorControl on Mar 14, 2010, 02:31:26 AM
Still haven't seen Avatar. I'm waiting for a nearby IMAX theater to release it in 2D. I'm not buying this 3D bullshit.
Don't be fooled buddy, it isn't the typical shit flies at audiences face 3D. It isn't gimmicky at all, ever. It just makes the film feel more immersive and real, it is an experience more than anything watching Avatar.
Also the rerelease makes sense. the films has made 2.6 BILLION!!!!!!! at the box office so far *jaw drop* It has millions of fans who would love to see added footage. It's not arrogance to give people what they want. Also the studio will make more money from the film. Can you imagine the budget for his next film????
Next time, I'm not paying. I'm staying at home and watching Dances with Wolves or, hell AVPR.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 05:30:08 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 05:30:08 PM
I'm sorry but that's a typical bandwagon hater argument (that fails) and it's getting really old really fast Yautja.
Na'vi would be an awesome title, although I guess with it's success the studio will force Avatar somewhere in the title to make more money. We all know how good Cameron is at making sequels so I'm buzzed.
Na'vi would be an awesome title, although I guess with it's success the studio will force Avatar somewhere in the title to make more money. We all know how good Cameron is at making sequels so I'm buzzed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 14, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 14, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
Also the rerelease makes sense. the films has made 2.6 BILLION!!!!!!! at the box office so far *jaw drop* It has millions of fans who would love to see added footage. It's not arrogance to give people what they want. Also the studio will make more money from the film. Can you imagine the budget for his next film????
1: Many films have fans that would love to see added footage. Most filmmakers don't add new footage to a film and re-release it only six months after it's original release.
2: "It's kind of gotten stomped out (in theaters) because of 'Alice in Wonderland'. The word we're getting back from exhibitors is we probably left a couple of hundred million dollars on the table as a result." (http://showbiz.peacefmonline.com/movies/201003/40067.php) That might not be arrogance, but it sure as hell is greed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
When Avatar gets re-released, I'm just gonna curl up and watch Jurassic Park, Blade Runner, or Alien; something original that never gets old.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 14, 2010, 08:04:04 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 14, 2010, 08:04:04 PM
i, for one, will bitch and flood with emails the studios to release said movies in blue-ray. specially jurassic park.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 14, 2010, 08:16:49 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 14, 2010, 08:16:49 PM
I'll probably watch the re-release again. For all the films flaws, the 3D visuals and immersion make it incredibly entertaining for me, and I imagine that's only going to be effective in a Cinema so I might as well make the most of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 08:18:23 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 08:18:23 PM
Cameron's not getting another cent from me while it's in theaters. Sure I'll get the DVD but at this point he's being a greedy basterd.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PM
The film was entertaining enough, but not worth a second viewing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 08:21:49 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PM
The film was entertaining enough, but not worth a second viewing.
QFT!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 14, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 14, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
I'll buy the bluray, only because it will look amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PMFixed. :P
The film was entertaining enough, REALLY REALLY worth a second viewing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:29:06 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PMFixed. :P
The film was entertaining enough, REALLY REALLY not worth a second viewing.
You left something out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:41:08 PMNo, I didn't.Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:29:06 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PMFixed. :P
The film was entertaining enough, REALLY REALLY worth a second viewing.
You left something out.
Weren't you in a proton pack? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
You have no knowledge of how the Ghostbusters' technology works. And stop twisting what I say to fit with your viewpoints.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 14, 2010, 09:52:12 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 14, 2010, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2010, 08:29:06 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:20:47 PMFixed. :P
The film was entertaining enough, REALLY REALLY worth a second viewing.
And a third, if you're me. Yeah, I saw it three times. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 10:50:38 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 10:50:38 PM
QuoteJesus Christ, that runtime would be unbearable.
But there was so much stuff that needs to be expanded on and explained better.
Another 12 or 13 times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:12:46 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:12:46 PM
Greed? For trying to make his film as much money as possible? Are you forgetting what industry he is in?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:15:37 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:15:37 PM
This is excessive even for the movie industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2010, 11:16:42 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2010, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 10:50:38 PMUnless it's 42 minutes explaining why Michelle Rodriguez didn't get court-martialed.
But there was so much stuff that needs to be expanded on and explained better.
Another 12 or 13 times.
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:12:46 PMIt already earned two. Billion. Dollars. It does not need more money. There are countries starving that could live off of that film's profit for a decade.
Greed? For trying to make his film as much money as possible?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:29:40 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:29:40 PM
A three second insert of "I've got a mechanical problem here - returning to base" would suffice for Rodriguez.
Now about that other 41 minutes and 57 seconds....
Now about that other 41 minutes and 57 seconds....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
Why are starving countries relevant to this discussion?
If there is demand then you supply. Simple business. Nothing greedy about it.
If there is demand then you supply. Simple business. Nothing greedy about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
Supply and demand doesn't preclude greed.
Either way, I dont care. It'll give the three people who didn't see it the first time a chance to watch it, along with anyone else who wishes to endure it again.
Either way, I dont care. It'll give the three people who didn't see it the first time a chance to watch it, along with anyone else who wishes to endure it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
Why are starving countries relevant to this discussion?
If there is demand then you supply. Simple business. Nothing greedy about it.
Because Cameron treats Two Billion dollars like it's pocket change. It sad that one man can make this much money off a movie, and "starving counties" would be lucky if they seen that much in their lifetime.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:46:51 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:46:51 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 11:42:58 PMQuote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
Why are starving countries relevant to this discussion?
If there is demand then you supply. Simple business. Nothing greedy about it.
Because Cameron treats Two Billion dollars like it's pocket change. It sad that one man can make this much money off a movie, and "starving counties" would be lucky if they seen that much in their lifetime.
The same could be said about anything. Bill Gates is greedy, Richard Branson is greedy. But really they are making as much money as they can, and why not? If people will buy their products then why not sell them?
The whole starving country thing I still don't see as relevant but I'll indulge. I'm guessing I am wrong but your post implies that Cameron should give all his money to Africa otherwise he is greedy :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
Suggesting anyone should give their millions to charitable causes is neither here nor there, because so many celebs donate large amounts of money anonymously, so Cameron could already be handing out money to charity without it being widely known.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 14, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I don't think he should give his money away. I just think it's selfish of him to re-release his film again to gain more money. And I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:57:22 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 11:57:22 PM
Who is he depriving by rereleasing it?
That isn't selfish.
That isn't selfish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 14, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
That's precisely what it is.
That's show biz.
That's show biz.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 15, 2010, 01:34:30 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 15, 2010, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 14, 2010, 05:30:08 PMOh and the old story that's been reused dozens of times is not? Please. Cameron should at least try. Terminator 1 & 2, Aliens, these are films that are remembered for being good, not because they had "amazing effects." It's sad that Jurassic Park has equal effects many years later. Besides, "Yautja" is not a valid term here.
I'm sorry but that's a typical bandwagon hater argument (that fails) and it's getting really old really fast Yautja.
Na'vi would be an awesome title, although I guess with it's success the studio will force Avatar somewhere in the title to make more money. We all know how good Cameron is at making sequels so I'm buzzed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 01:48:17 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 01:48:17 AM
What about "Yautja117"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 15, 2010, 01:50:40 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 15, 2010, 01:50:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 01:48:17 AMJust because I like it dosen't make it valid. I like the universe in the EU. It dosen't apply to the films.
What about "Yautja117"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 15, 2010, 04:56:02 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 15, 2010, 04:56:02 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 14, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
I'll buy the bluray, only because it will look amazing.
Not even going to bother. Pretty visuals don't hold my excitement for long.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 04:59:14 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 04:59:14 AM
I'll rent it to watch the extras. If they're Rings-style in depth I may buy it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 15, 2010, 10:41:08 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 15, 2010, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 15, 2010, 01:50:40 AMI think he was talking about you when he said it.Quote from: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 01:48:17 AMJust because I like it dosen't make it valid. I like the universe in the EU. It dosen't apply to the films.
What about "Yautja117"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 15, 2010, 12:25:55 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 15, 2010, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Mar 12, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
Avatar is getting a re-release in the summer.
http://www.joblo.com/avatar-getting-a-re-release-this-summer
Apparently Cameron feels that he got cheated out of the 3D screens with the release of newer films, and believes he deserves to make more mullah. In order to get people back into the 3D theaters, the re-release will have 'new footage'.
Overkill much?
I answer this one with what I said earlier:
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 09, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
Now, he is just being greedy!... :o ;D
I don't like to quote myself, but ya can't say I haven't told ya so!
JC is nobody to idolise, he is greedier than Uncle Scrooge
And HE IS AWARE than once the next movies in 3D come out, his AVATAR will be a thing of the past...
Like I said before... He knows!
His movie is shallow and he is fully aware of that, otherwise why would he be worried about NEXT YEAR's summer movies?
I don't believe it is just GREED, but a WEAK EGO as well! ::)
Just worry about your SEQUEL, JC, and let us watch a REAL movie for a change!
Creepy white-haired guy! :o :D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kriszilla on Mar 15, 2010, 01:15:02 PM
Post by: Kriszilla on Mar 15, 2010, 01:15:02 PM
What makes me sad is people will watch it on the re-release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Yeah, and what for? 6 minutes of extra footage? Pah!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 15, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 15, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Yutani Ditch, do you even post in any other threads? :-\
45 minutes actually, but it still could have waited for a goddamn release on DVD.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Yeah, and what for? 6 minutes of extra footage? Pah!
45 minutes actually, but it still could have waited for a goddamn release on DVD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
45 minutes of extra footage.... :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:28:51 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 15, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Yutani Ditch, do you even post in any other threads? :-\Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Yeah, and what for? 6 minutes of extra footage? Pah!
45 minutes actually, but it still could have waited for a goddamn release on DVD.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17039&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17039&count=0)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 15, 2010, 03:25:09 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 15, 2010, 03:25:09 PM
that link still only says 40 minutes, and they even got the max length of an imax movie wrong, it's 165 minutes not 170.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 15, 2010, 03:26:38 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 15, 2010, 03:26:38 PM
2 bucks a minute?
Money well spent. I'll see it again.
Money well spent. I'll see it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 03:27:17 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 03:27:17 PM
So, we're talking... what, 3 minutes of extra footage?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 15, 2010, 03:37:53 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 15, 2010, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 15, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Yutani Ditch, do you even post in any other threads? :-\Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Yeah, and what for? 6 minutes of extra footage? Pah!
45 minutes actually, but it still could have waited for a goddamn release on DVD.
Yeah, this one and the TDK one and the one I just started on the 'Predators' movie and the AVP game, and... :P ;D
But I admit, I am 'fascinated' with AVATAR...! :o :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
The story was strong and the characters were good in my opinion :-\ Why is there so much hate? Is it because it's James Cameron? Because it has loads of special effects? I don't get it.
Also Yautja was referring to your screen name Yautja117
About the IMAX time limit - Intermission, problem solved.
Also Yautja was referring to your screen name Yautja117
About the IMAX time limit - Intermission, problem solved.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
The story wasn't the most original ever, but let's admit, NO story today is original.
But it's developed greatly IMHO.
But it's developed greatly IMHO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 05:13:01 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 05:13:01 PM
I agree, originality is hard to come by these days. Films like the hurt locker who have recieved tremendous praise aren't that original
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 15, 2010, 05:28:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 15, 2010, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
The story was strong and the characters were good in my opinion :-\ Why is there so much hate? Is it because it's James Cameron? Because it has loads of special effects? I don't get it.
Because it was boring and uninspired. It's true, stories are rarely unique and original these days, but you can take an old story and still make it interesting, e.g. District 9 or just be lazy and slap some pretty visuals on something we've already seen a hundred times before and done in much better form, e.g. Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 15, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 15, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 15, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
The story was strong and the characters were good in my opinion :-\ Why is there so much hate?
Because lots of people find that to not be true.
Yes, most movies are the same story told before, but usually they are more subtle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 15, 2010, 06:01:51 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 15, 2010, 06:01:51 PM
Even if Cameron could put the complete extra 40 minutes in, he wouldn't. It's almost certainly gonna be just a little extra for IMAX, perhaps an extra scene or two for regular screens, and the rest will be on the special edition 3D bluray that's coming out half a year after the bare bones DVD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 15, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 15, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
I want to wait for the 3D Blu-Ray, but I know my wife will be counting the days to the bare bones Blu-Ray release, lol. Guess I'll be double dippin'. I've got like 3 versions of Terminator 2. :P One of which is the French Director's Cut HD-DVD!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:57:51 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:57:51 PM
QuoteIt's almost certainly gonna be just a little extra for IMAX
Smurfy Thundercat sexytime. Four storeys high.
QuoteI don't get it.
Even after having it explained to you on other threads?
EDIT - I can haz moniez? (http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/film/2010/03/16/1268501459166.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 16, 2010, 06:11:25 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 16, 2010, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:57:51 PM
EDIT - I can haz moniez? (http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/film/2010/03/16/1268501459166.html)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flisticles.thelmagazine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fupload%2Fironhide_facepalm.jpg&hash=1d663444abe7efe49e83b68c9dfd4638c7558f5f)
Needed something fresh for that one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 16, 2010, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 16, 2010, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:28:51 PMQuote from: Navaha on Mar 15, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Yutani Ditch, do you even post in any other threads? :-\Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Yeah, and what for? 6 minutes of extra footage? Pah!
45 minutes actually, but it still could have waited for a goddamn release on DVD.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17039&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17039&count=0)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsilverssimstuff.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F01%2Fike-facepalm.jpg&hash=ddeac8136b1336aacc25908ae3fbc0520dfc4576)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
Avatar Hits Blu-ray and DVD on April 22
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=64255
So we're looking at:
Initial Theatrical Release
DVD/Blu-Ray 4/22
Re-Release Extended in Theaters Q4 (Also have read late summer release instead)
3D Blu-Ray Q4 or early next year
Fox ain't messin' around.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=64255
So we're looking at:
Initial Theatrical Release
DVD/Blu-Ray 4/22
Re-Release Extended in Theaters Q4 (Also have read late summer release instead)
3D Blu-Ray Q4 or early next year
Fox ain't messin' around.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 04:36:04 PM
Greedy, greedy...Where is John Doe when we need him?
(for those of you unfamiliar with the reference, check SEVEN) :o ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Mar 16, 2010, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 16, 2010, 04:44:35 PM
so far this move has taken more than $2.6 billion at the box office and they want to get more out of it by re-releasing it? What a joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
Other than it delaying the 3D Blu-Ray release (although limited user base of in-home 3D equipment is another huge reason for that), why do you care if it's re-released? It's not as if you have to see it again if you don't want to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
If there is demand, supply. Simple. Noone is forced to go and see it, it is not greedy to give people what they want.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 16, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Mar 16, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
It's motivated by greed; it in itself is not greedy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Every single business (excluding non-proft ones) is motivated by greed. Hell, people going for better jobs are motivated by greed, people playing the lottery are motivated by greed. Does that make them bad? No, of course not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 06:13:24 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Every single business (excluding non-proft ones) is motivated by greed. Hell, people going for better jobs are motivated by greed, people playing the lottery are motivated by greed. Does that make them bad? No, of course not.
Actually, Harkus, yeah, it does...!
Greed is like a virus...it starts on the little things and then it broadens its spectrum...
If you're a religious person, and even if you're not, you know greed is at the core, the motivation for a lot of criminal, unethical behavior...
So, it is not as bland as you make it sound... :-X
But I think the core of the issue is not to give the fan the 9th viewing, but to earn more money...Plain and simple...
They might tell you that, but at the core it is their greed motivating them...and lack of commercial ethics, trying to sabotage other studios releases... >:(
So, Harkus, don't underestimate Greed in their smallest form, because at the core is human weakness...
You just have to ask yourself and Fox should too: HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?
Because this is just making them look bad... It delays the BR release, which is bad (not for me)...
Also, flagrant displays of corporate greed like this, as well as JC's lame explanations for it, just show them as they truly are: just greedy execs who keep feeding weak products to the masses hopin they won't notice it soon...
Shameful...
::) >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 06:19:27 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 06:19:27 PM
So all businesses are bad and evil for wanting to make money? :o
I'm too old to believe in faries thanks.
I'll say again, if people demand it then supply it, simple. If people are willing to pay then let them pay, that is not wrong that is how businesses become successful. If you don't want to buy it then don't noone is forcing you too. It is a concious choice whether or not to purchase a product.
QuoteIf you're a religious person, you know greed is at the core, the motivation for a lot of criminal, unethical behavior..
I'm too old to believe in faries thanks.
I'll say again, if people demand it then supply it, simple. If people are willing to pay then let them pay, that is not wrong that is how businesses become successful. If you don't want to buy it then don't noone is forcing you too. It is a concious choice whether or not to purchase a product.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 06:19:27 PM
So all businesses are bad and evil for wanting to make money? :oQuoteIf you're a religious person, you know greed is at the core, the motivation for a lot of criminal, unethical behavior..
I'm too old to believe in faries thanks.
I'll say again, if people demand it then supply it, simple. If people are willing to pay then let them pay, that is not wrong that is how businesses become successful. If you don't want to buy it then don't noone is forcing you too. It is a concious choice whether or not to purchase a product.
It is not 'fairies', it is 'human behavior 101'... Religion just provides the basics of human ethics... ::)
And don't make excuses for greedy people, they'll cash in on your hide anyway...! :P :o ;D
And business is not bad if you do your job and provide the public with something they need with quality and novelty!
This is not the case...The VFX are not new, only the technology was evolved... Everything creative about it is not original, except JC's pattern of giving extra limbs to the creatures...and paint them pinkl :D :P
So, Harkus, the core of the matter is the principle behind any behavior... 8)
people who disguise their greed behind supply and demand are deluding themselves... They create the demand, and not the other way around... They manipulate the public to do their biding...
And not satisfied with the money they earned, they target the fans specifically... Easy kill...
JC is even planning on re-releasing TITANIC in 3D to cash in more on that tragedy's 100th anniversary...
He is proud to be greedy...And keeps adding to that every single time...
And the AVATAR fanclub is sponsoring his greed and not scorning him for yet again delivering another poor example of screenwriting full of cardboard characters and one-dimensional stories...
Movies like these make me so proud of Hollywood!
Next summer release from FOX: AVATAR 1.1! :o ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:03:50 PM
If there is an appetite for a re-release of any movie from the public, I have no problem with a re-release. They did it with TDK, I didn't go watch it again but I didn't complain (really, why would I? It allowed anyone that missed it to watch it again even though it killed at the BO already. And, it let fans view it again if they chose to.) They re-released Nightmare Before X-Mas in 3D, who's complaining? They did it with Toy Story. So they will do it with Titanic. Big whoop. There's no reason to complain when you don't have to partake in it's reintroduction to the big screen if you have no desire to watch it. Just don't go.
If people want to watch it, their just providing the option. If they re-released and raised price of admission, then I could see your point with greed. But, that's not the case. Really, it's stupid to not re-release when the opportunity is there if there's money to be made.
If people want to watch it, their just providing the option. If they re-released and raised price of admission, then I could see your point with greed. But, that's not the case. Really, it's stupid to not re-release when the opportunity is there if there's money to be made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Since it is only like £7 to see Avatar I don't feel like Im being cheated at all. I've seen it twice and will likelly see it again when it is rereleased. £21 is not a lot of money, the film is good. A fair trade if you ask me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
..And, even if you didn't want to see it again, you just chose not to. I have a feeling some people just flat out don't like seeing it have it's success at the BO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
..And, even if you didn't want to see it again, you just chose not to. I have a feeling some people just flat out don't like seeing it have it's success at the BO.
It is that kind of apathy that keeps us fed with bastardised versions of Aliens, Predators, and others!
yes, they are being smart about it, just don't advertise it like it's hip to be greedy!
They way they are doing is like it's a good thing!
AVATAR made 2.6 billion...And JC is complaining about having 100 million less?
Of course I won't see it... But that is not the point, it never was...!
The point is what kind of movies do we want? And what kind of movies does the industry need to keep going!
I said before that I won't complain if the money FOX earned will give us more JUNO and other quality movies...
The point is that this sort of apathy is decreasing the quality in moviemaking so much that this 3D nonsensical fever is now the ultimate example!
Moviemakers are more worried about shallow aspects...
THAT is what truly worries me... Like I said before, AVATAR is disposable escapism without lastability...
I don't mind its success, since I just saw it once and once was enough...
I mind its repercussions...
The bad ones...
And we are experiencing it right now... Fortunately, Tim Burton is NOT JC, so I am relaxed about Alice...
I think greed should be fought, not indulged nor encouraged!
And the public deserves more!
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 16, 2010, 07:26:45 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 16, 2010, 07:26:45 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 06:19:27 PMFairies? I don't know that many religions that believe in fairies.
So all businesses are bad and evil for wanting to make money? :oQuoteIf you're a religious person, you know greed is at the core, the motivation for a lot of criminal, unethical behavior..
I'm too old to believe in faries thanks.
I'll say again, if people demand it then supply it, simple. If people are willing to pay then let them pay, that is not wrong that is how businesses become successful. If you don't want to buy it then don't noone is forcing you too. It is a concious choice whether or not to purchase a product.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
::) You are judging this based on your point of view that is is a bad movie. I loved it. I would love to see more films like this get released.
It isn't apathy at all.
It isn't apathy at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 08:52:32 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
I don't mind its success, since I just saw it once and once was enough...
I mind its repercussions...
The bad ones...
Lol, that's exactly what I was getting at. You say you "don't mind it's success" yet you do not like that it's successful for fear of "repercussions" that YOU think would be bad. In other words, you do not like to see it's financial success. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 16, 2010, 08:57:58 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Mar 16, 2010, 08:57:58 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 08:52:32 PMI wouldn't mind to see this movie in theaters again either.Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
I don't mind its success, since I just saw it once and once was enough...
I mind its repercussions...
The bad ones...
Lol, that's exactly what I was getting at. You say you "don't mind it's success" yet you do not like that it's successful for fear of "repercussions" that YOU think would be bad. In other words, you do not like to see it's financial success. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 16, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 16, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
I saw it seven times over the Christmas and January period, and I'll go see it again when the extended version is released.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 16, 2010, 10:45:56 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 16, 2010, 10:45:56 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PMQuote from: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
..And, even if you didn't want to see it again, you just chose not to. I have a feeling some people just flat out don't like seeing it have it's success at the BO.
...Lotsa stuff...
Dude - it's only a movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 16, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 16, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 16, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
I saw it seven times over the Christmas ans January period, and I'll go see it again when the extended version is released.
I truly pity you. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 12:52:07 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 12:52:07 AM
Repercusions: Furries f**king everywhere on the media.
some things should stay the hell off the real world.
some things should stay the hell off the real world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 17, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 17, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
FURRIES! :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 02:01:11 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 02:01:11 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 16, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
I saw it seven times over the Christmas ans January period, and I'll go see it again when the extended version is released.
Meh, I saw TDK 9 times, and I don't regret doing that. Certainly helped in prepping for Halloween, I'll say that much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 09:38:28 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 02:01:11 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 16, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
I saw it seven times over the Christmas ans January period, and I'll go see it again when the extended version is released.
Meh, I saw TDK 9 times, and I don't regret doing that. Certainly helped in prepping for Halloween, I'll say that much.
i'm not even sure i've ever seen any movie that many times, let alone seeing the same movie that many times in the cinema!!!
i just don't see the point in rewatching movies so many times, can you really get much more out of a movie on the 6th viewing compared to the 5th?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 16, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
::) You are judging this based on your point of view that is is a bad movie. I loved it. I would love to see more films like this get released.
It isn't apathy at all.
I get it, you just like bad movies! :P :D ;D
And it is not just MY POV...Most critics and moviegoers, while praising the visuals, state that the story and the characters are weak...
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 16, 2010, 08:52:32 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 16, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
I don't mind its success, since I just saw it once and once was enough...
I mind its repercussions...
The bad ones...
Lol, that's exactly what I was getting at. You say you "don't mind it's success" yet you do not like that it's successful for fear of "repercussions" that YOU think would be bad. In other words, you do not like to see it's financial success. :)
Huh, Cellien, the repercussions I was referring to are not financial, but in terms of 'quality and novelty' in movies...
I am concerned about the bigger picture, not statistics that matter only to those who earn it and from it...
I didn't care when TITANIC earned the money it did, because at least it started being entertaining after the collision with the iceberg ... :D
I don't think Pirates of the Caribbean deserved the praise it did, and still didn't mind Disney making tons of money... It was novel, it had Johnny Depp and the story was funny...
I don't mind commercial success for movies that DO deserve it!
And especially those movies both fans and critics like and praise (TDK; for instance)...
I just don't think a shallow, empty movie like AVATAR desrves the praise nor the financial reward...
BUt I am not losing any sleep over it...
But being a FAN of movieS (plural), I just don't like the direction movies are taking...
And that is all...
I think from what has transpired lately, that I am right... JC is a greedy director who can't write for decades now and doesn' even hide that fact...
He clearly stated that his main concern about re-releasing AVATAR was 'to get back 100 million that Alice deprived them from having'... That is good, old-fashioned GREED right there... he didn't say 'Oh, I think many people failed to see it (which would be a flat out lie!) that's why we are getting it back onscreen'...
The worst aspect of GREED is that it's insatiable... It's the old 'Uncle Scrooge' syndrome...
And the re-release of TITANIC in 3D is another cheap move to cash in on that tragedy...
Those are the facts... :-X
But by all means, anyone who likes movies, sequels and prequels that add nothing to the genre or to movies in general, be free to spend your money as much as you like...
It will only give us more of those...
So, don't complain if that happens, because that is all due to people not enforcing their beliefs...
I would not spend 5 € to watch a movie that used to cost half that a decade ago and was with far better quality... So, you spend more to watch less...
AVATAR is just the latest display of that...
300 million (the entire budget of TLOTR trilogy!)! Think about it!
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Mar 17, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
Post by: Vanski on Mar 17, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
I never watch same movie twice in theaters, i'll rather buy something else, than a ticket for movie i've already seen. YutaniDitch, ffs cool down man, you're foaming all over the place :D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 17, 2010, 01:38:55 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 17, 2010, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 12:52:07 AM
Repercusions: Furries f**king everywhere on the media.
some things should stay the hell off the real world.
This is a Na'Vi:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.coventrytelegraph.net%2Fthegeekfiles%2FAvatar%2520Na%26%23039%3Bvi%2520image.jpg&hash=a2d4d772b211994b16e78948867961440642ad43)
This is a furry:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Fomnibrain%2Ffurry.jpg&hash=6dbf28e0593bb794ef211ebc9428e4525e9dd095)
Know the difference, it could save your life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
no, this is a furry too:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.youtube.com%2Fvi%2F2zaJdq0VUtk%2F0.jpg&hash=fec56403f3477c7772c757c60b4a64ae383b1e42)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.youtube.com%2Fvi%2F2zaJdq0VUtk%2F0.jpg&hash=fec56403f3477c7772c757c60b4a64ae383b1e42)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
YutaniDitch, no. Avatar has critical, academy and mainstream praise.
Avatar has 84% on Rotten Tomatoes from all reviews and 87% from top critics - Critical success.
Avatar was nominated for 9 oscars including Best Picture and Best Director, it won 3 oscars. It was nominated for 56 awards and won 25 - Academy/Awards Success
Avatar has made 2.6 Billion at the box office (the highest ever by a long way), due a lot to repeat viewings and word of mouth (a sign of quality) also it has an 8.5 rating on IMDB which makes it the 67th highest rated movie on the site - Mainstream success
Saying it is objectively a bad film is nonsense.
Avatar has 84% on Rotten Tomatoes from all reviews and 87% from top critics - Critical success.
Avatar was nominated for 9 oscars including Best Picture and Best Director, it won 3 oscars. It was nominated for 56 awards and won 25 - Academy/Awards Success
Avatar has made 2.6 Billion at the box office (the highest ever by a long way), due a lot to repeat viewings and word of mouth (a sign of quality) also it has an 8.5 rating on IMDB which makes it the 67th highest rated movie on the site - Mainstream success
Saying it is objectively a bad film is nonsense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PM
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 03:24:40 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 03:24:40 PM
I think Cameron was keeping the story intentionally simple. I didn't mind, I found it very enjoyable. Yes, the plot is similar to other films but it's the execution that seperates them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:26:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:26:13 PM
And I've said it a million times before and I'll say it a million and one: if I can't get past a fully predictable story, the visuals don't mean much. The execution was the same as all the other films out there. The only difference lay in how much action there was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 03:32:11 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PM
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
i agree
there's really only 2 things that matter in movie, for it to be successful/good
Enjoyability
and
Accessability
you could have the best, most well written script in the world, but if it's not accessable to the public it will fail
you could have a movie that is a masterpeice of cinematography, but if it's not enjoyable people won't want to watch it
Avatar manages to be both an Enjoyable and Accesable movie, about big blue aliens who beat the humans! more often than not Sci Fi is relatively niche, and movies like Dances with Wolves can drag on a bit, but Avatar has the right balance somehow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
WARNING: OVERLONG POST AHEAD...Please stick to the bolded lanes to avoid the traffic jam of ideas being poured.. ;D
Check rottentomatoes and really READ the reviews, if you have the patience, that is! And, by the way, spoken like a TRUE fan there, Harkus! Good job! By the way, check the average rating right under that BIG 84 % (actually it's 82%, but who's counting? :D) a bit to the right side and tell me if that is really a GOOD number...Also, there are a bunch of reviews that were given the TOMATOE label that reading them through, don't sound like a GOOD review...So, like I said, the numbers DO lie!
For every visual praise, they add the story limitations... and others... Check it out... Don't just skim through the numbers... Everyone knows the statistics are not always representative of the truth... Again, the content is more important than the looks... Now, I get why AVATAR was so appealing to you! ;D
I know, I have checked them ALL!! :o What can I say, I had a lot of time on my hands at the time! :P ;D
I never said it was 'bad' as in 'OMG, I cannot get those two hours back ever again, I want my money back...!'... Since I paid the least expensive 'monday-special discount 2-D' version... :P
It is visually interesting, but I have seen WAY too many CG movies to be moved by it... I think BEOWULF did the job way better... Visuals aren't enough without a story to tell...an INSPIRED one...at least, more inspired than JC's AVATAR...
Just inserting a clichéd story to accompany the visuals may be enough for some, but not for me...Not since my late teens anyway... ;D
I used to overlook those things when I was younger, but nowadays I feel less and less tolerant to 'creative laziness' such as this... even in the popcorn-crunching blockbuster kind...
The visuals are good enough for anyone not familiar with CG movies and not that 'CREATIVE' as well...
Hell, put any of the Myazaki movies in CG and we'll have a much more interesting debate! :o ;)
True to an extent, but, for instance, TDK and some others prior had both of those AS WELL AS a good story with good characters, memorable ones...
Does AVATAR have any of those things I just mentioned? ???
I don't know about you, but for a multimillion dollar entreprise and a billion dollar deal, I think we are being selling ourselves way too short!
If we accept this willingly something this lazy, we cannot expect for them to raise the bar in terms of quality and originality... That is the issue I have been raising all along...
If the movies people see most are the B kind, then supply them a good story with caring, endearing characters or memorable ones, not just eye-candy extravaganza...
I mean, if you were a filmmaker, would you feel stimulated to cover new ground or rather choose the comfort of the easy way out?
Hence the sequel, prequel mentality...
This is as much their fault as it is YOURS!
If the audiences don't demand more from the movies they watch, why would the filmmakers?
At least, Nolan thinks the way I do: give the audiences what they want and expect, but give them more than what they expect and blow their minds in the process!
THAT is my idea of filmmaking... Hence why NOLAN represents, for me, the good, solid future of blockbusters and movies in general (with a brain, thought-provoking) while JC represents their decadence.
Check this site (I know, a bit scientific, but revealing):
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2010/01/avatar.php?utm_source=combinedfeed&utm_medium=rss
and this one :
http://lesterhhunt.blogspot.com/2010/01/avatar-vs.html
I particularly like and fully agree with the last remark in the latter one:
"(...) I am not saying that communicating ideas is something that any movie has to do. But if its makers do choose to do this, then standards of intellectual clarity, originality, and profundity come into play. Measured by these standards, obviously, Ben Hur kicks Avatar's butt."
If filmakers choose to dumb down matters that should not be treated lightly, it is their fault, but if people choose to tolerate that dumbing thngs down, even praise him for it, it's their fault as well!
A movie can be enjoyed for sheer entertainment, but when you tread the 'morality message' or 'social preaching' in it, you should do it with the respect and care those matters require...demand...
Cameron says greed is bad, but then he reveals he is greedier than most...
Cameron says that tech is destroying the world of beliefs and culture, and then he relies completely on computer technology to tell 'his' story...
Cameron should practice what he preaches... Then he would know how ridiculous he sounds and how patheticly HOLLOW the 'message' of his movie is...
A tech-dependent director who writes poorly and then thinks just because he had some successes and earned some money that his views are anything more than cow dung... especially coming from someone who does exactly the opposite of what he preaches... How seriously would you take anything that person says?
I have to tell ya, before AVATAR and the nonsense he has spewed afterwards, I had far more respect for him and his work...Now, he is proving that he is just a mercenary with delusions of grandeur... And people are feeding that oversized ego of his...
That is what matters in the bigger picture...That movies are dumbed down for the masses BECAUSE OF THE MASSES' willingness to be treated like dumb people!
That is an universal reality (even a biological one, according to the first article I posted)
Movies are (should be) a great conduit for creative and constructive lteaching and earning about the world we live in, both metaphorically and realistically speaking, and people choose to use them as expensive drug doses to escape reality!
Well, this is the cold, harsh reality: Movies are decaying in quality and originality, not because everything has been done and said before, but because the studios know that all the Predator fans want is to see Predators onscreen kicking ass !Preferably closer to the original portrayals, but not worrying too much about it! They will see it anyway!
The sequel to AVATAR will be for fans only: I know I will give it a pass, but I know many won't... And I am comfortable with that, especially since I know that as long as people demand to see dumb movies, dumb movies will be provided!
I actually appreciate the irony of it... :o ::)
PS - I did warn you about the length of this... Maybe there should be a word limit per post, like on the Windows Messenger... :-\ ;)
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
YutaniDitch, no. Avatar has critical, academy and mainstream praise.
Avatar has 84% on Rotten Tomatoes from all reviews and 87% from top critics - Critical success.
Avatar was nominated for 9 oscars including Best Picture and Best Director, it won 3 oscars. It was nominated for 56 awards and won 25 - Academy/Awards Success
Avatar has made 2.6 Billion at the box office (the highest ever by a long way), due a lot to repeat viewings and word of mouth (a sign of quality) also it has an 8.5 rating on IMDB which makes it the 67th highest rated movie on the site - Mainstream success
Saying it is objectively a bad film is nonsense.
Check rottentomatoes and really READ the reviews, if you have the patience, that is! And, by the way, spoken like a TRUE fan there, Harkus! Good job! By the way, check the average rating right under that BIG 84 % (actually it's 82%, but who's counting? :D) a bit to the right side and tell me if that is really a GOOD number...Also, there are a bunch of reviews that were given the TOMATOE label that reading them through, don't sound like a GOOD review...So, like I said, the numbers DO lie!
For every visual praise, they add the story limitations... and others... Check it out... Don't just skim through the numbers... Everyone knows the statistics are not always representative of the truth... Again, the content is more important than the looks... Now, I get why AVATAR was so appealing to you! ;D
I know, I have checked them ALL!! :o What can I say, I had a lot of time on my hands at the time! :P ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PM
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
I never said it was 'bad' as in 'OMG, I cannot get those two hours back ever again, I want my money back...!'... Since I paid the least expensive 'monday-special discount 2-D' version... :P
It is visually interesting, but I have seen WAY too many CG movies to be moved by it... I think BEOWULF did the job way better... Visuals aren't enough without a story to tell...an INSPIRED one...at least, more inspired than JC's AVATAR...
Just inserting a clichéd story to accompany the visuals may be enough for some, but not for me...Not since my late teens anyway... ;D
I used to overlook those things when I was younger, but nowadays I feel less and less tolerant to 'creative laziness' such as this... even in the popcorn-crunching blockbuster kind...
The visuals are good enough for anyone not familiar with CG movies and not that 'CREATIVE' as well...
Hell, put any of the Myazaki movies in CG and we'll have a much more interesting debate! :o ;)
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 03:32:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PM
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
i agree
there's really only 2 things that matter in movie, for it to be successful/good
Enjoyability
and
Accessability
you could have the best, most well written script in the world, but if it's not accessable to the public it will fail
you could have a movie that is a masterpeice of cinematography, but if it's not enjoyable people won't want to watch it
True to an extent, but, for instance, TDK and some others prior had both of those AS WELL AS a good story with good characters, memorable ones...
Does AVATAR have any of those things I just mentioned? ???
I don't know about you, but for a multimillion dollar entreprise and a billion dollar deal, I think we are being selling ourselves way too short!
If we accept this willingly something this lazy, we cannot expect for them to raise the bar in terms of quality and originality... That is the issue I have been raising all along...
If the movies people see most are the B kind, then supply them a good story with caring, endearing characters or memorable ones, not just eye-candy extravaganza...
I mean, if you were a filmmaker, would you feel stimulated to cover new ground or rather choose the comfort of the easy way out?
Hence the sequel, prequel mentality...
This is as much their fault as it is YOURS!
If the audiences don't demand more from the movies they watch, why would the filmmakers?
At least, Nolan thinks the way I do: give the audiences what they want and expect, but give them more than what they expect and blow their minds in the process!
THAT is my idea of filmmaking... Hence why NOLAN represents, for me, the good, solid future of blockbusters and movies in general (with a brain, thought-provoking) while JC represents their decadence.
Check this site (I know, a bit scientific, but revealing):
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2010/01/avatar.php?utm_source=combinedfeed&utm_medium=rss
and this one :
http://lesterhhunt.blogspot.com/2010/01/avatar-vs.html
I particularly like and fully agree with the last remark in the latter one:
"(...) I am not saying that communicating ideas is something that any movie has to do. But if its makers do choose to do this, then standards of intellectual clarity, originality, and profundity come into play. Measured by these standards, obviously, Ben Hur kicks Avatar's butt."
If filmakers choose to dumb down matters that should not be treated lightly, it is their fault, but if people choose to tolerate that dumbing thngs down, even praise him for it, it's their fault as well!
A movie can be enjoyed for sheer entertainment, but when you tread the 'morality message' or 'social preaching' in it, you should do it with the respect and care those matters require...demand...
Cameron says greed is bad, but then he reveals he is greedier than most...
Cameron says that tech is destroying the world of beliefs and culture, and then he relies completely on computer technology to tell 'his' story...
Cameron should practice what he preaches... Then he would know how ridiculous he sounds and how patheticly HOLLOW the 'message' of his movie is...
A tech-dependent director who writes poorly and then thinks just because he had some successes and earned some money that his views are anything more than cow dung... especially coming from someone who does exactly the opposite of what he preaches... How seriously would you take anything that person says?
I have to tell ya, before AVATAR and the nonsense he has spewed afterwards, I had far more respect for him and his work...Now, he is proving that he is just a mercenary with delusions of grandeur... And people are feeding that oversized ego of his...
That is what matters in the bigger picture...That movies are dumbed down for the masses BECAUSE OF THE MASSES' willingness to be treated like dumb people!
That is an universal reality (even a biological one, according to the first article I posted)
Movies are (should be) a great conduit for creative and constructive lteaching and earning about the world we live in, both metaphorically and realistically speaking, and people choose to use them as expensive drug doses to escape reality!
Well, this is the cold, harsh reality: Movies are decaying in quality and originality, not because everything has been done and said before, but because the studios know that all the Predator fans want is to see Predators onscreen kicking ass !Preferably closer to the original portrayals, but not worrying too much about it! They will see it anyway!
The sequel to AVATAR will be for fans only: I know I will give it a pass, but I know many won't... And I am comfortable with that, especially since I know that as long as people demand to see dumb movies, dumb movies will be provided!
I actually appreciate the irony of it... :o ::)
PS - I did warn you about the length of this... Maybe there should be a word limit per post, like on the Windows Messenger... :-\ ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 05:19:32 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 05:19:32 PM
If a movie is given a fresh rating it means the person thinks it is a good film. No top critic would judge a film to be good solely based of SFX.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 05:19:32 PM
If a movie is given a fresh rating it means the person thinks it is a good film. No top critic would judge a film to be good solely based of SFX.
Harkus, did you do what I told you to do? ;D
'Stunning visuals' springs to mind... Just read the RT Reviews' headlines if you're feeling too lazy...! :P
If you read through them or just the headlines of the individual reviews in RT you would have seen what they favored to give it a Tomatoe: the visuals!
Most speak about the 'cardboard', 'two-dimensional' characters and story, and one even mentions that 'the story still matters'...
So, the movie is uneven and even the positive critics DO note that the story and characters are sub-par...
Can't go any wrong there... :P ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 17, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 17, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Huh, Cellien, the repercussions I was referring to are not financial, but in terms of 'quality and novelty' in movies...
I am concerned about the bigger picture, not statistics that matter only to those who earn it and from it...
I didn't care when TITANIC earned the money it did, because at least it started being entertaining after the collision with the iceberg ... :D
I understand what repercussions you were referring to. The point is that you do not like to see that it is doing financially well, so you call them greedy to re-release it. It's financial success bothers you because you think it means that Hollywood will not cater to your opinions of what you think makes a good movie if Avatar is looked at as a formula for success.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
BIGASS REPLY COMING RIGHT UP... :-[
I am not the only one that calls them 'Greedy' and I am not the only one who thinks the way I do ... Hollywood's opinion of me, if it ever existed, :P would be far better than the opinion they have OF the fans... :o
At the very least, I don't sheep and keep my money and spend it where it is needed!
That is my biggest victory, the rest is just debating ideas... ;)
And I said why this movie bothers me... EXTENSIVELY... and it is not about the money!
That only makes me sorry for the fans, and for people who need that money much more than JC and FOX!
Time will put this movie in it's right place, not me or anyone else... Things do take their course...That is the beauty of History...
Now, people are calling FOX and JC greedy because they are, Cellien! IN every forum this news is being discussed, the word that pops mostly and almost immediately is... You only get three shots at this one... But you'll get it right away...
All their actions and their reasons are there for people to read them!
I dislike shallow movies and to see them being praised is offensive to much better movies out there! And I said so before...!
That is where my disappointment comes from!
It mattered not if Transformers 2 did well on the BO, it won Razzies!
And so should AVATAR for the lamest story, the weakest acting, and so on and so forth...
But as a movie critic wisely said, '(AVATAR is) a big, dumb movie built to make money but hardly worthy of serious examination. Avatar isn't only critic-proof, it resists serious criticism. You might as well analyze a beach ball.' ...And many others in the US said something similar...It is in the written word, so you can check if you want!
The movie's flaws are staggeringly obvious and for anyone NON-FAN to see!
When most people who watch far more movies than we do state this, even the positive ones, then you know something smells rotten in Pandora!
And Cellien, don't presume to know what goes on in my mind... I have been criticising the path Hollywood has chosen for decades, as a movie enthusiast, way before ever setting foot on this forum...
Also, my opinion is only important to me, as yours is to you... I am not naive to think whether I speak the truth or not, anyone will buy to it...
My op is as substantiated as I can and THAT is the only thing that matters to me..
AVATAR earned 2,6 billion, and the only winners here are the producers and FOX studios... Not the fans!
They are just a few bucks poorer!
THAT is the only real truth here, and fans and non-fans can voice their ideas as loudly as they want, they won't change the fact that the underlying principle here is the less you do, the more you earn...
JC learned that lesson after TITANIC... He realised he needed not to be original, just inject visual drugs through the viewers' eyes!
That is the real sad thing here: people are THAT predictable... Give them eye-candy and they jump in the bed! NO questions asked!
Like I said, if the majority likes superficial movies, that is all they will get from that moment on! ::)
3D worked' So, let's all have 3D movies, shall we! And I understand it, after all, despite the ticket sales of AVATAR not being more than, let's say, LOTR: ROTK, the 3D ticket prices do make for a very good BO return...
That is what has been called 'The Greed Factor': you see something being profitable, you emulate it and adapt it to your line of business... 3D TVs are next... It matters not that your sight is not adaptable to watch movies with 3D goggles (stupid ass idea to me) frequently or that movies will become increasingly artificial to watch...I mean, I see soccer matches and movies in HD, and they look like wacthing a computr screen, with images that are more artificial than the ones we DO see! We don't see in high contrast or high luminosity! It looks land feels like I am watching a PC game!
That is what I think anyways...
:-X till tomorrow... ;D
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 17, 2010, 07:06:19 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 17, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Huh, Cellien, the repercussions I was referring to are not financial, but in terms of 'quality and novelty' in movies...
I am concerned about the bigger picture, not statistics that matter only to those who earn it and from it...
I didn't care when TITANIC earned the money it did, because at least it started being entertaining after the collision with the iceberg ... :D
I understand what repercussions you were referring to. The point is that you do not like to see that it is doing financially well, so you call them greedy to re-release it. It's financial success bothers you because you think it means that Hollywood will not cater to your opinions of what you think makes a good movie if Avatar is looked at as a formula for success.
I am not the only one that calls them 'Greedy' and I am not the only one who thinks the way I do ... Hollywood's opinion of me, if it ever existed, :P would be far better than the opinion they have OF the fans... :o
At the very least, I don't sheep and keep my money and spend it where it is needed!
That is my biggest victory, the rest is just debating ideas... ;)
And I said why this movie bothers me... EXTENSIVELY... and it is not about the money!
That only makes me sorry for the fans, and for people who need that money much more than JC and FOX!
Time will put this movie in it's right place, not me or anyone else... Things do take their course...That is the beauty of History...
Now, people are calling FOX and JC greedy because they are, Cellien! IN every forum this news is being discussed, the word that pops mostly and almost immediately is... You only get three shots at this one... But you'll get it right away...
All their actions and their reasons are there for people to read them!
I dislike shallow movies and to see them being praised is offensive to much better movies out there! And I said so before...!
That is where my disappointment comes from!
It mattered not if Transformers 2 did well on the BO, it won Razzies!
And so should AVATAR for the lamest story, the weakest acting, and so on and so forth...
But as a movie critic wisely said, '(AVATAR is) a big, dumb movie built to make money but hardly worthy of serious examination. Avatar isn't only critic-proof, it resists serious criticism. You might as well analyze a beach ball.' ...And many others in the US said something similar...It is in the written word, so you can check if you want!
The movie's flaws are staggeringly obvious and for anyone NON-FAN to see!
When most people who watch far more movies than we do state this, even the positive ones, then you know something smells rotten in Pandora!
And Cellien, don't presume to know what goes on in my mind... I have been criticising the path Hollywood has chosen for decades, as a movie enthusiast, way before ever setting foot on this forum...
Also, my opinion is only important to me, as yours is to you... I am not naive to think whether I speak the truth or not, anyone will buy to it...
My op is as substantiated as I can and THAT is the only thing that matters to me..
AVATAR earned 2,6 billion, and the only winners here are the producers and FOX studios... Not the fans!
They are just a few bucks poorer!
THAT is the only real truth here, and fans and non-fans can voice their ideas as loudly as they want, they won't change the fact that the underlying principle here is the less you do, the more you earn...
JC learned that lesson after TITANIC... He realised he needed not to be original, just inject visual drugs through the viewers' eyes!
That is the real sad thing here: people are THAT predictable... Give them eye-candy and they jump in the bed! NO questions asked!
Like I said, if the majority likes superficial movies, that is all they will get from that moment on! ::)
3D worked' So, let's all have 3D movies, shall we! And I understand it, after all, despite the ticket sales of AVATAR not being more than, let's say, LOTR: ROTK, the 3D ticket prices do make for a very good BO return...
That is what has been called 'The Greed Factor': you see something being profitable, you emulate it and adapt it to your line of business... 3D TVs are next... It matters not that your sight is not adaptable to watch movies with 3D goggles (stupid ass idea to me) frequently or that movies will become increasingly artificial to watch...I mean, I see soccer matches and movies in HD, and they look like wacthing a computr screen, with images that are more artificial than the ones we DO see! We don't see in high contrast or high luminosity! It looks land feels like I am watching a PC game!
That is what I think anyways...
:-X till tomorrow... ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 17, 2010, 08:23:29 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 17, 2010, 08:23:29 PM
I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to watch 3D movies frequently or it will become "artificial". ??? We see depth in real life. Stereoscopic 3D only records it for your viewing. We also do in fact see high contrast. No idea what you mean there either.
Furthermore, your eyes see fine through 3D glasses (never seen "3D goggles" at a theater as you are looking at a screen, not some head-mounted VR unit). All it is doing is tell your brain/eyes the level they need to converge. Convergence is part of real life to see in 3D...In real life.
Furthermore, your eyes see fine through 3D glasses (never seen "3D goggles" at a theater as you are looking at a screen, not some head-mounted VR unit). All it is doing is tell your brain/eyes the level they need to converge. Convergence is part of real life to see in 3D...In real life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 08:32:33 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 17, 2010, 08:32:33 PM
I've spent about £14 watching Avatar. I am happy to spend that little amount of money to see a film. I don't see how they're being greedy by giving people what they want? I guess you want them to call it quits when there is still demand and lose out on money? Who would that benefit? god knows.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 17, 2010, 11:44:04 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 17, 2010, 11:44:04 PM
Jesus, Yutani, your posts made my screen crack from the sheer pressure of the photons they emit!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
[inside of chupacabras' head:]
<<im not f**king reading that...>>
<<im not f**king reading that...>>
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 17, 2010, 11:57:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 17, 2010, 11:57:08 PM
It is rather interesting once you get past it's superficially imposing exterior.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 03:24:35 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 03:24:35 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:26:13 PM
And I've said it a million times before and I'll say it a million and one: if I can't get past a fully predictable story, the visuals don't mean much. The execution was the same as all the other films out there. The only difference lay in how much action there was.
Nothing wrong with a predicatble story as long it has great dialogue and the action is written great, which this was. With the script James Cameron didn't re-invent the wheel, but he made a newer and better model...IMO.
To each his own.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 18, 2010, 03:39:15 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 18, 2010, 03:39:15 AM
Action, sure, I'll give you that. Great dialogue?!? Not a snowball's chance in hell that statement is true.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 18, 2010, 03:47:16 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 18, 2010, 03:47:16 AM
JUJUBES!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 03:49:50 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 03:49:50 AM
I just thought there were plenty of great lines in the film:
"You haven't got lost in the woods, have you?"
"I was a warrior who dreamed he could bring peace. Sooner or later though, you always have to wake up."
" I became a Marine for the hardship. Told myself that I can pass any test a man can pass. All I ever wanted was a single thing worth fighting for."
"This low gravity will make you soft. And when you get soft, Pandora will eat you whole and shit you out."
Some great lines, plus the dialogue back and forth between Jake and Neytiri was great..as it was for all the characters. But like I said..to each their own.
"You haven't got lost in the woods, have you?"
"I was a warrior who dreamed he could bring peace. Sooner or later though, you always have to wake up."
" I became a Marine for the hardship. Told myself that I can pass any test a man can pass. All I ever wanted was a single thing worth fighting for."
"This low gravity will make you soft. And when you get soft, Pandora will eat you whole and shit you out."
Some great lines, plus the dialogue back and forth between Jake and Neytiri was great..as it was for all the characters. But like I said..to each their own.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:32 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:32 AM
And for every semi-good line, there are 5 mediocre to terrible lines like, "They're flea-bitten savages!" and "You ain't bad! Ya! Run back home to mommy. That's what I'm talkin' bout bitch."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 04:04:40 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 18, 2010, 04:04:40 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:32 AM
"You ain't bad! Ya! Run back home to mommy. That's what I'm talkin' bout bitch."
:D That is a bad line isn't it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 06:40:03 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 06:40:03 AM
So what if they rerelease it.
Only the people that want to go and see the rerelease will go and see it. If that is a million people then so be it - if that is one person then so be it.
The point is, James Cameron made a movie. People were willing to pay money to go and see it to the point that the movie made 2.6 billion dollars. If he makes another 2.6 billion dollars with a rerelease it means that people are willing to pay for it.
If he only makes a small amount of money from the rerelease it means that people were not willing to spend more money - the market in action.
the benefits of this movie making 2.6 billion dollars are staggering. Simply staggering. if it makes more money those benefits will only increase.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a business trying to make as much money as they can out of a product they have to sell.
Only the people that want to go and see the rerelease will go and see it. If that is a million people then so be it - if that is one person then so be it.
The point is, James Cameron made a movie. People were willing to pay money to go and see it to the point that the movie made 2.6 billion dollars. If he makes another 2.6 billion dollars with a rerelease it means that people are willing to pay for it.
If he only makes a small amount of money from the rerelease it means that people were not willing to spend more money - the market in action.
the benefits of this movie making 2.6 billion dollars are staggering. Simply staggering. if it makes more money those benefits will only increase.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a business trying to make as much money as they can out of a product they have to sell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Mar 18, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Mar 18, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 06:40:03 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a business trying to make as much money as they can out of a product they have to sell.
Chortle.
That's a very broad statement. For instance, some would consider prostitutes "products" - and if those "some" constitute owners of brothels, they are for all intents and purposes right. That's ignoring the case of rights and goods acquired dishonestly. Or indeed false advertising and products that are just downright shitty.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
Well I think he was talking legitamate businesses where people are not in danger.
Is Bill Gates greedy? I wouldn't say he was. Demand and supply. People buy his computers and he makes money. There is no loser in that, the same with Avatar. People pay a tiny amount of money to watch a film, how is that a bad thing?
Is Bill Gates greedy? I wouldn't say he was. Demand and supply. People buy his computers and he makes money. There is no loser in that, the same with Avatar. People pay a tiny amount of money to watch a film, how is that a bad thing?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 02:34:32 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
Well I think he was talking legitamate businesses where people are not in danger.
Is Bill Gates greedy? I wouldn't say he was. Demand and supply. People buy his computers and he makes money. There is no loser in that, the same with Avatar. People pay a tiny amount of money to watch a film, how is that a bad thing?
You seem to forget the anti-trust laws he's broke and Microsoft got penalised for...
He got where he got by asphixiating competition, violating the laws of free trade...
Some people even said he double-crossed his partner... But the guy made out alright, being richest guy number 2 some years back... :P
If you think a guy gets where he got by NOT being greedy... :o :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
rereleasing a film because there is potential to make more money is not greedy... not even close.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 18, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 18, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
not greedy perse, but damn excesive considering the amount of money he made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 18, 2010, 03:59:55 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 18, 2010, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 18, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
not greedy perse, but damn excesive considering the amount of money he made.
yeah, but how much of the money goes to him, and how much goes to the studio, i'm guessing he barely gets anything compared to how much the studio get, he just wants to make the sequels, and the more money the first one makes, the more freedom the studio will allow him on the sequels, and the more technology he can use. better 3D, more 3D cameras, better CGI etc, etc,
that's what i'm guessing anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:07:40 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:07:40 PM
Put yourselves in the studios shoes. If you have a released a fim that has become the biggest film ever made and has taken in $2.6 Billion but you know that a rerelease would make you more money then you would obviosuly do it. If you wouldn't then you would have no business in the film industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 18, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 18, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
I think there is no need to re-release Avatar in the Cinemas. It's the highest grossing film ever, and I think it doesn't need anymore.
Movies like Outlander instead need to, because of the low advertisement.
Movies like Outlander instead need to, because of the low advertisement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:26:41 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:26:41 PM
Yes, it doesn't need to be but there is a potential to make more money (the very reason any business exists) not taking it would be silly.
Outlander does need more advertisement it was very good however it big time bombed, it is too risky.
Outlander does need more advertisement it was very good however it big time bombed, it is too risky.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 18, 2010, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 18, 2010, 04:33:12 PM
It bombed because of low advertisement and low theatrical run. if it got more time I bet it would be a success.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:50:16 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 04:50:16 PM
I agree, it was a good film. If the studio had a bigger marketing budget then it may have been a success. However that has no bearing on the choice to rerelease Avatar which is likely to make them more money. From a business point of view rereleasing it is the smart thing to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
rereleasing a film because there is potential to make more money is not greedy... not even close.
After you got 2.6 BILLION dollars, yes, it sure is! Don't be naive, Harkus!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 18, 2010, 06:11:25 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 18, 2010, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
rereleasing a film because there is potential to make more money is not greedy... not even close.
How many billions are enough?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
[inside of chupacabras' head:]
<<im not f**king reading that...>>
:D
Same, no offense YutaniDitch, I don't read any of your huge posts. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 06:38:12 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 17, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
[inside of chupacabras' head:]
<<im not f**king reading that...>>
:D
Same, no offense YutaniDitch, I don't read any of your huge posts. ;D
Oh, no prob, I'll just keep repeating myself...! :P :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 07:05:26 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 07:05:26 PM
OK, I read all your other posts, just not your massive ones. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 18, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Not even the bolded parts?! :'( ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 18, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
Nope, sorry. :-[
I'll be sure to read the bold in future!
Now we should get back on topic. ;D
I'll be sure to read the bold in future!
Now we should get back on topic. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 18, 2010, 06:11:25 PMQuote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
rereleasing a film because there is potential to make more money is not greedy... not even close.
How many billions are enough?
Until it stops making money I guess. I mean, who is losing out by a rerelease? The fans will love it, people who didn't get a chance to see it first time around will love it and the studio will love it. It doesn't cost much to watch it. Aslong as it has legs let it run.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:25:22 PMSo why should every other movie have to end its theatrical release at a certain time, but Avatar can keep going?
Until it stops making money I guess.
QuoteI mean, who is losing out by a rerelease?Other 3D movies that can't be released because Avatar's hogging the screens. Again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:31 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 18, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
Chortle.
That's a very broad statement. For instance, some would consider prostitutes "products" - and if those "some" constitute owners of brothels, they are for all intents and purposes right. That's ignoring the case of rights and goods acquired dishonestly. Or indeed false advertising and products that are just downright shitty.
Regarding ignoring the case of rights and goods acquired dishonestly - that was implied in my statement. I'll leave the prostitue comment as that is a whole other arguement and debate.
As long as no one's rights are infringed, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with a business trying to make as much money off of a product they have to sell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 10:34:56 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
So why should every other movie have to end its theatrical release at a certain time, but Avatar can keep going?
The point is that Avatar will only be able to keep on going as long as there is a demand for it. Once the demand for it has dropped off it will not be shown anymore.
Same for any other film.
Like Titanic. It made so much money because people just kept on going to see it. Same with Gone With The Wind. From memory GWTW had like a 4 year run time. The producers there MUST have been greedy right?
QuoteOther 3D movies that can't be released because Avatar's hogging the screens. Again.
If more people want to see Avatar then any other 3D movie then thats just too bad for the other movie. Its called competition.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:30:02 PMQuote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:25:22 PMSo why should every other movie have to end its theatrical release at a certain time, but Avatar can keep going?
Until it stops making money I guess.QuoteI mean, who is losing out by a rerelease?Other 3D movies that can't be released because Avatar's hogging the screens. Again.
Usually films stop running because they stop making money or because other films are coming out, show business is a tough business and if the films stop performing they are gone. Avatar can keep going because it continues to bring in crowds.
Regarding other films losing out, that's competition for you. Every business tries to get an edge on it's competition to be the best. I study business and one thing we looked at was business objectives, at one point Pepsi's was "To beat Coke" Nothing wrong with trying to be the best and stifling the competition, means they need to try harder if anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 10:38:46 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 10:38:46 PM
QuoteHow many billions are enough?
ONE HUNDRED!!!
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:41:59 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:41:59 PM
Here's an idea, why don't you and the laser get a fricking room?
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:50:47 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:35:26 PMThey're still losing out.
Regarding other films losing out, that's competition for you. Every business tries to get an edge on it's competition to be the best. I study business and one thing we looked at was business objectives, at one point Pepsi's was "To beat Coke" Nothing wrong with trying to be the best and stifling the competition, means they need to try harder if anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:59:21 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:59:21 PM
That's true, however all is fair in the world of business. It is ultimately up to the customer whitch film gets a run and if there is demand supply, simple. If the competition loses out then maybe it is a wake up call for them to try harder :/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 10:59:21 PMExcept you're dealing with a creative industry here. There are plenty of movies being released that are better than Avatar, but Avatar has really, really pretty pictures. Trying harder, in this case, would be to dumb yourself down to the utmost lowest common denominator and appealing to it in spades.
If the competition loses out then maybe it is a wake up call for them to try harder :/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
Didn't Fox already try that with the AvPs?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
That is a good point SiL, I should hve worded that differently. Anyway denying Avatar a rerelease based on competition losing out is unfair to Avatar and also customers, it is business after all.
Personally if I was a head figure at FOX and someone below me took Avatar from cinemas while it was still going strong I would fire them on the spot.
Personally if I was a head figure at FOX and someone below me took Avatar from cinemas while it was still going strong I would fire them on the spot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Problem comes with potentially harming other Fox pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 11:34:41 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 18, 2010, 11:34:41 PM
if it is going for an August rerelease then the only other FOX films it will affect are Ramona and Beezus (lol, what?) and the new Narnia which is a sequel so will do well regardless. It could potentially affect Predators too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 02:50:12 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 02:50:12 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2010, 11:03:46 PM
Except you're dealing with a creative industry here. There are plenty of movies being released that are better than Avatar, but Avatar has really, really pretty pictures. Trying harder, in this case, would be to dumb yourself down to the utmost lowest common denominator and appealing to it in spades.
Firstly - thats your opinion (albiet probably a lot of peoples opinion but it is still an opinion)
Secondly - You're argument is assuming that there can't be a movie out there that is storywise better then Avatar (in your opinon) but not have "pretty pictures" - you can't have it both ways - you can't say that its a creative industry and also say that creatively it is impossible to have a movie that is creative Story wise and Picture wise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 02:50:12 AMNaw, I'm pretty sure it's an observable fact there are movies better than Avatar.
Firstly - thats your opinion
QuoteSecondly - You're argument is assuming that there can't be a movie out there that is storywise better then Avatar (in your opinon) but not have "pretty pictures" - you can't have it both ways - you can't say that its a creative industry and also say that creatively it is impossible to have a movie that is creative Story wise and Picture wise.I can't really follow that paragraph.
You mean I'm assuming there can't be a movie with a better plot but with equally pretty pictures?
I'm not assuming that at all. But people will flock to mindless explosions and pretty images over explosions and pretty images that make them think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 03:47:16 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 03:47:16 AM
I'd say that Watchmen had pretty pictures and made people think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:48:04 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:48:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
Naw, I'm pretty sure it's an observable fact there are movies better than Avatar.
It is only an opinion. "Better" by what standards? Whose?
QuoteI can't really follow that paragraph.
You mean I'm assuming there can't be a movie with a better plot but with equally pretty pictures?
I'm not assuming that at all. But people will flock to mindless explosions and pretty images over explosions and pretty images that make them think.
Your last statement was this:
"Except you're dealing with a creative industry here. There are plenty of movies being released that are better than Avatar, but Avatar has really, really pretty pictures. Trying harder, in this case, would be to dumb yourself down to the utmost lowest common denominator and appealing to it in spades."
Here you're saying that there are plenty of moives being released that are better than Avatar (your opinion) but that Avatar has really pretty pictures.
You then go on to say that by trying harder in this case would mean that these other movies would have to be dumbed down.
This is implying that there can't be a movie with a better plot but with equally pretty pictures.
Now, you've added a qualifer which was in your previous post and that is that you believe that people will flock to mindless explosions and pretty images over explosions and pretty images that make you think.
Again, that is an assumption that you believe that there aren't filmmakers out there that can actually do that. Again you're trying to have it both ways.
I'll give you one recent example - The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:49:58 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:49:58 AM
Sorry for Double Post:
I'd also argue that a movie can make you think even though you think that its plot is cliched and predictable.
I'd also argue that a movie can make you think even though you think that its plot is cliched and predictable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:50:56 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:50:56 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:48:04 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
Naw, I'm pretty sure it's an observable fact there are movies better than Avatar.
It is only an opinion. "Better" by what standards? Whose?
Quality of the writing and the acting, and the overall story for starters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:50:56 AMQuote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:48:04 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
Naw, I'm pretty sure it's an observable fact there are movies better than Avatar.
It is only an opinion. "Better" by what standards? Whose?
Quality of the writing and the acting, and the overall story for starters.
Again - its still only an opinion. You may think that there are better movies then Avatar in terms of writing and acting. But they are by your standards.
look at this forum and look at all the varying and differing opinions on who thinks what was good or bad. It is by their own standards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Quote"Better" by what standards? Whose?
Everyone who said 'Sure the story was weak/ predictable/ cliched/ ham fistedly told, but it sure looked nice'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:54:17 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:53:18 AMQuote"Better" by what standards? Whose?
Everyone who said 'Sure the story was weak/ predictable/ cliched/ ham fistedly told, but it sure looked nice'.
Again - only an opinion - sure the opinion is shared by multiple people but there are a whole bunch of other people out there that have a differeing opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
Are there? I can't remember a favourable review that still didn't mention the less than satisfying plot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 03:57:14 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 03:57:14 AM
The Dances with Smurfs thing wasn't coined for nothing. It reflected the plot, that it was *unoriginal*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:58:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 03:48:04 AMEffective storytelling standards.
"Better" by what standards?
Narrative theory is surprisingly well-developed. If you can define and quantify something, then you can measure it objectively.
It's like people. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there are actually mathematical ways of aligning human features to make them appear the most attractive.
QuoteI'll give you one recent example - The Dark Knight.The Dark Knight did a wonderful job of making people think ... but it didn't even beat Titanic, which is my point. People flock to Avatar for its exceptionally pretty but remarkably mindless entertainment value. There is literally no thinking required, as James Cameron intended - You're meant to sit there and just let it happen.
The Dark Knight asked audiences to think. Better plot, much more creative, and yet nowhere near as successful because it wasn't completely mindless popcorn entertainment. It wasn't as accessible to as wide an audience because you couldn't just say "Dur, pretty pictures".
If you had the two movies running side-by-side, people would see Avatar because it's much more of a spectacle, which is what people want.
I'm not saying anything new here. This is a pretty observable situation - How else would the Transformers movies make money?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 04:02:04 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 04:02:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 03:58:09 AM
I'm not saying anything new here. This is a pretty observable situation - How else would the Transformers movies make money?
Get Megan Fox closer to nude, but have her deliver the dialogue of the century while she's doing it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:03:01 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:03:01 AM
MPAA will cut out the kiddy audience.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 04:03:53 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 19, 2010, 04:03:53 AM
I'd welcome an adult theme Transformers movie. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:05:24 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:05:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
Are there? I can't remember a favourable review that still didn't mention the less than satisfying plot.
http://guides.news.com.au/couriermail/movies/movie/?title_id=37791&review=83996
http://www.urbancinefile.com.au/home/view.asp?a=16468&s=Reviews
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/movies/instant-classic-avatar-is-films-future/story-e6frf9h6-1225809563749
And thats with a very very quick google search.
Now you may disagree with them but again they're only opinions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:07:51 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:07:51 AM
QuoteI'd welcome an adult theme Transformers movie.
The Mighty Testicles of Devastator (TM) not enough? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:10:31 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:10:31 AM
QuoteEffective storytelling standards.
Narrative theory is surprisingly well-developed. If you can define and quantify something, then you can measure it objectively.
It's like people. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there are actually mathematical ways of aligning human features to make them appear the most attractive.
Then why differing opinions?
QuoteThe Dark Knight did a wonderful job of making people think ... but it didn't even beat Titanic, which is my point. People flock to Avatar for its exceptionally pretty but remarkably mindless entertainment value. There is literally no thinking required, as James Cameron intended - You're meant to sit there and just let it happen.
The Dark Knight asked audiences to think. Better plot, much more creative, and yet nowhere near as successful because it wasn't completely mindless popcorn entertainment. It wasn't as accessible to as wide an audience because you couldn't just say "Dur, pretty pictures".
Yeah thats right - its only the 5th most highest grossing film worldwide (unadjusted). Its nothing.
QuoteIf you had the two movies running side-by-side, people would see Avatar because it's much more of a spectacle, which is what people want.
I'm not saying anything new here. This is a pretty observable situation - How else would the Transformers movies make money?
I've never in any way shape or form ever said that people do not go and watch a movie just for the spectacle.
My argument was against the assumption that a movie can't have pretty pictures and have a good plot or make you think at the same time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Just a question?
Does a movie just have to make you think, or can it be an emotional film?
Does a movie just have to make you think, or can it be an emotional film?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:57 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:57 AM
It can be either; too bad Avatar wasn't.
P.S. You shouldn't double post; the mods don't like it. If you feel you should add something to a previous post, simply use the edit feature.
P.S. You shouldn't double post; the mods don't like it. If you feel you should add something to a previous post, simply use the edit feature.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:21:16 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:21:16 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:57 AM
It can be either; too bad Avatar wasn't.
I wasn't asking in relation to Avatar actually. But if we go with your answer,
Titanic wasn't a film that was intended to make you "Think" - it was a film that was intended to tug on your emotions.
QuoteP.S. You shouldn't double post; the mods don't like it. If you feel you should add something to a previous post, simply use the edit feature.
My apologies - won't happen again.
My experience with editing posts instead of double posting is that sometimes people miss the edit i've made which causes all sorts of confusion, hence why I don't like to edit my posts and instead make a new one.
But having said that - if thems the rules then I'll follow them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:29:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:29:25 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:10:31 AMBecause our subjective interpretations of a film have little bearing on their objective reality.
Then why differing opinions?
Citizen Kane is a brilliant movie, but I don't like it.
QuoteYeah thats right - its only the 5th most highest grossing film worldwide (unadjusted). Its nothing.Bravo, you totally missed my point :-\
QuoteMy argument was against the assumption that a movie can't have pretty pictures and have a good plot or make you think at the same time.I never made that assumption. :-\
I was always talking about competing with Avatar, no more, no less. And a movie that could alienate part of its audience by asking them to think would do worse against Avatar's unapologetic lack of grey matter stimulation.
Yeah, you can have pretty and smart, but pretty and dumb, when it comes to movies, will pretty much always win out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:39:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:39:08 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:29:25 AM
Because our subjective interpretations of a film have little bearing on their objective reality.
Granted. But opinions are still opinions. Its why one person will say they like a film and another will say they don't.
QuoteBravo, you totally missed my point :-\
Nope, just pointing out how ridiculous it was.
QuoteI never made that assumption. :-\
I was always talking about competing with Avatar, no more, no less. And a movie that could alienate part of its audience by asking them to think would do worse against Avatar's unapologetic lack of grey matter stimulation
It was certainly implied in your original statement.
QuoteYeah, you can have pretty and smart, but pretty and dumb, when it comes to movies, will pretty much always win out.
I disagree.
I will agree however, that haveing a "Pretty movie" will likely get more people in the cinemas. I've never said otherwise.
And I'd argue that Avatar has the capacity to make you think. It has a lot of symbolism in it. Peoples arguements against Avatar tend to hinge on the fact that the story is unoriginal.
Narratively, the plot isn't bad - its just been done before. - But again - this is only my opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:55:22 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 04:55:22 AM
Avatar is so lacking in subtlety that it leaves no room for anyone to think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:58:52 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:58:52 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 19, 2010, 04:39:08 AMI know this. Which is why I'm not talking about people's opinions.
But opinions are still opinions. Its why one person will say they like a film and another will say they don't.
QuoteIt was certainly implied in your original statement.And now I'm clarifying, so continuing off your original misconstruction is a waste of both our time.
QuoteI disagree.'Pretty much' being the operative statement - As in, not entirely.
I can think of so few times a smarter film wasn't out-performed by a dumber, flashier one at the box office. Actually in recent memory I can only think of one - The Dark Knight.
QuoteIt has a lot of symbolism in it.That it beats over your head with a sledge hammer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 19, 2010, 07:51:31 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 19, 2010, 07:51:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
Are there? I can't remember a favourable review that still didn't mention the less than satisfying plot.
Since I've never seen any of the movies people are relating the plot to (Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas), and I'm not likely to see those movies, I thought Avatar had an amazing plot and amazing characters. I couldn't predict any of it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2010, 08:43:45 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2010, 08:43:45 AM
Given Avatar's plot is very similar to Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas, out of the three Avatar is one I'd watch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 11:42:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 11:42:38 AM
Of all the films it got called similar to I've only seen Pocahontas, and that was back when it was released.
Don't need to see those movies to predict every single thing that happens in Avatar - it does a good enough job of making itself as transparent as humanly possible on its own.
Don't need to see those movies to predict every single thing that happens in Avatar - it does a good enough job of making itself as transparent as humanly possible on its own.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
As soon as she explained what that skull on the wall was, I thought: "Yep, he's gonna tame that thing." ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 02:16:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 02:16:45 PM
I would have preferred Jake to tame the Thanator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 02:18:19 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 02:18:19 PM
Please refresh my memory; was the Thanator that hammer-headed rhino thing?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
No, the badass Ammit on steroids.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pandorapedia.com%2Flib%2Fexe%2Ffetch.php%2Fthanator.jpg&hash=618002bf03e546c528316fda46ccad515087052f)
Him.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pandorapedia.com%2Flib%2Fexe%2Ffetch.php%2Fthanator.jpg&hash=618002bf03e546c528316fda46ccad515087052f)
Him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 19, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 19, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
I remember that thing from Dances with Wolves....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
The six-legged flower cat thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 19, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 19, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
I didn't necessarily think it was a thought provoking film, but there was a bit more symbolism and roots than people give it credit for. For ex, Ewya and it's relation to the Gaia Hypothesis with a "living world" that is forgotten by Western science, ignoring emotion and intuition as part of connecting and understanding our world through nature. There's a lot of referencing to it for the Na'vi people as everything they partake in reinforces the idea that Pandora is an all connected organism. They frequently said "I see you" and "No one can teach you to see" as to suggest intuition is part of understanding and that Western science is flawed in ignoring it.
As far as Jake following the "guilty white man" story and saving the natives, it could be viewed that the Na'vi saved him from his meaningless, decrepit, dwindling life as a Human and has seen a "rebirth" (continually calling him a child in the beginning). Towards the close, Eywa actually was what made the Na'vi victorious, not Jake. And finally at the end, the Na'vi were actually safe, unlike many similar previous stories where the natives are wiped out ending with the "guilty white man" and a newfound perspective to spread the word.
At any rate, I'm curious what the sequel will hold. Jake is a full blown alien now, lol!
As far as Jake following the "guilty white man" story and saving the natives, it could be viewed that the Na'vi saved him from his meaningless, decrepit, dwindling life as a Human and has seen a "rebirth" (continually calling him a child in the beginning). Towards the close, Eywa actually was what made the Na'vi victorious, not Jake. And finally at the end, the Na'vi were actually safe, unlike many similar previous stories where the natives are wiped out ending with the "guilty white man" and a newfound perspective to spread the word.
At any rate, I'm curious what the sequel will hold. Jake is a full blown alien now, lol!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
Also "Ey'wa", the deity of the Na'vi people, is a mixed-up pronunciation of "Yahweh", the God of the Hebrews.
;D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
It's not symbolic though, because Cameron makes the "connection" literal.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 19, 2010, 05:21:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 19, 2010, 05:21:14 PM
The braids? The braids were indeed a literal, physical interpretation of the the Gaia Hypothesis. The physical connection symbolized reacting on something other than sense and reason to understand the world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 19, 2010, 09:00:37 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 19, 2010, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
It's not symbolic though, because Cameron makes the "connection" literal.
Well yeah, the whole planet is basically just one big brain. Admittedly this is hammered home more in the original script but it's obvious enough in the film.
It basically takes the fantastical and presents in a more realistic way, suitable for Sci-Fi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:04:41 PM
It was still too fantasy for my taste. If you want to call your film science fiction, you can't show floating mountains without offering some sort of explanation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 10:15:41 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 19, 2010, 10:15:41 PM
It felt completely unrealistic to me. Aliens with tentacles that plug into other creatures feels like something someone would make up, not a natural world. That's how all of Pandora felt like, a world that someone made up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
Sci-Fi showed us creatures with long phallic heads that grow from a little snake-like creature to 2 meters tall space monsters in 2-4 hours very quickly. Showed a highly advanced alien species technologically speaking that still remains to a nearly tribal culture, which is very primitive.
Without real explanation for that. But we still appreciate who I am referring to, aight? ;D
Let it be Sci-Fi. Cameron said it was realistic? Cameron said bullcrap then. It's a minus detail.
Without real explanation for that. But we still appreciate who I am referring to, aight? ;D
Let it be Sci-Fi. Cameron said it was realistic? Cameron said bullcrap then. It's a minus detail.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
That's not the same as floating mountains. There are creatures here on Earth that gestate inside of other living things and have incredibly fast rates of metabolism, and there was nothing in the Predator films suggesting that it was tribal.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
None existing animals take host DNA into them to adapt - none existing vertebrate since fishes has a life-cicle that begins or ends as a parasite.
When I talk about them being tribal - I talk about the "thrill of the hunt", honor, trophy walls and that stuff - it's really primitive considering the advancement that this kind of aliens which I don't really know (;D) has reached in technology.
That wasn't my point though. I simply said that if we see something on screen, it's not really necessary to say it's unrealistic. It's freakin' sci-fi. There is something that keeps these mountains floating, and sincerely, if it's explained or not I don't care. We could argue about how the Aliens sustained itself while approaching Brett in Alien, or how freakin' did the Queen in Aliens arrive on the landing gear of the vehicle without even being noticed and laying an egg, or why the Runner was so frenetic in Alien3, or why the world is mirrored when we see the Auriga crashing in Alien: Resurrection.
Those minor details don't have really to influence a film's quality.
When I talk about them being tribal - I talk about the "thrill of the hunt", honor, trophy walls and that stuff - it's really primitive considering the advancement that this kind of aliens which I don't really know (;D) has reached in technology.
That wasn't my point though. I simply said that if we see something on screen, it's not really necessary to say it's unrealistic. It's freakin' sci-fi. There is something that keeps these mountains floating, and sincerely, if it's explained or not I don't care. We could argue about how the Aliens sustained itself while approaching Brett in Alien, or how freakin' did the Queen in Aliens arrive on the landing gear of the vehicle without even being noticed and laying an egg, or why the Runner was so frenetic in Alien3, or why the world is mirrored when we see the Auriga crashing in Alien: Resurrection.
Those minor details don't have really to influence a film's quality.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
They do if it's a science fiction film, or masquerading as one. I love sci-fi, and I especially like it when the science part of that isn't completely ignored. You can't throw in something completely unfeasible without some sort of explanation; a simple "They float due to the high concentrations of unobtanium in the area" would have sufficed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 10:56:10 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 19, 2010, 09:00:37 PMDear God, is that possible?
Well yeah, the whole planet is basically just one big brain. Admittedly this is hammered home more in the original script but it's obvious enough in the film.
Didn't they explain it half a dozen times in the movie as it is? "IT'S ALL CONNECTED! HEY, GUYS, THIS PLANET? IT'S ALL CONNECTED! EVERYTHING, YOU GUYS, IT'S ALL CONNECTED."
It was like half of Sigourny Weaver's dialogue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 19, 2010, 11:18:15 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 19, 2010, 11:18:15 PM
well, who cares.
the only brain-planet i buy is the one in Starship Troopers Marauder.
the only brain-planet i buy is the one in Starship Troopers Marauder.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 20, 2010, 02:41:09 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 20, 2010, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
They do if it's a science fiction film, or masquerading as one. I love sci-fi, and I especially like it when the science part of that isn't completely ignored. You can't throw in something completely unfeasible without some sort of explanation; a simple "They float due to the high concentrations of unobtanium in the area" would have sufficed.
its not a documentary, we dont need to know why.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 02:45:13 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 02:45:13 AM
But if he wants to call it science fiction, he must offer some sort of explanation. I know my sci-fi; that is a key element to it; the believability.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 20, 2010, 02:47:07 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 20, 2010, 02:47:07 AM
Flux Vortex?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2010, 04:14:46 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 20, 2010, 04:14:46 AM
And I'm still amazed that people are still seeing this movie, the theather to this movie was still pretty pack.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 04:36:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 04:36:21 AM
Just watched Moon. Now that is an example of a good science-fiction film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:02:33 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:02:33 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 19, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
No, the badass Ammit on steroids.
http://www.pandorapedia.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/thanator.jpg
Him.
I seem to remember this creature roaring like the T.Rex in Jurassic Park...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 20, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 20, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
We're back to that! ...and so this thread re-cycles. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:44:19 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:44:19 AM
Gotta love the circle of life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 20, 2010, 05:51:42 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Mar 20, 2010, 05:51:42 AM
The Rex would kick the Thantor's ass. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 06:05:08 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 06:05:08 AM
Of course it would! Granted, it would probably die afterwards due to the completely alien biochemistry, but it would still win!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 20, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 20, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
I think Cameron described the Thanator in the script as "It would eat a T-Rex and have an Alien for desert."
I like the Thanator and all, but no...No it wouldn't. :D
I like the Thanator and all, but no...No it wouldn't. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
OH MY GOD, IT'S THE CREEPY AUSTRALIAN WEARING CHAINMAIL FROM COMMANDO! HIDE!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 20, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 20, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
...freddy mercury?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 21, 2010, 06:24:05 AM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 21, 2010, 06:24:05 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
They do if it's a science fiction film, or masquerading as one. I love sci-fi, and I especially like it when the science part of that isn't completely ignored. You can't throw in something completely unfeasible without some sort of explanation; a simple "They float due to the high concentrations of unobtanium in the area" would have sufficed.
Did we watch the same movie? Because I remember them at the very least implying that that was the reason they floated.
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 19, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
Also "Ey'wa", the deity of the Na'vi people, is a mixed-up pronunciation of "Yahweh", the God of the Hebrews.
;D
Aw f**k, cannot unsee.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Navaha, you're right. See this (http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Hallelujah_Mountains) page for the explanation. Meissner effect for the win! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Mar 21, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: vortep on Mar 21, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
Watched the movie 4 times in IMAX, and love it more and more
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Navaha, you're right. See this (http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Hallelujah_Mountains) page for the explanation. Meissner effect for the win! :D
"Hallelujah Moutains"? Yeesh...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
Hallelujah! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 21, 2010, 05:54:40 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 21, 2010, 05:54:40 PM
James Cameron has always been very specific when it comes to Sci-fi. he hates plot holes.
but i think he just reached the point in when he's just f**king with people.
but i think he just reached the point in when he's just f**king with people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Huol on Mar 21, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
Post by: Huol on Mar 21, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fmwbrlx.jpg&hash=d262cadcc0dd3fdd449157997a5dec0cfc94ba55)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: darcevil on Mar 21, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
Post by: darcevil on Mar 21, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
Considering the Na'vi are like 14 feet tall...that's one big alien. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 07:09:07 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 07:09:07 PM
Naaaah... I want it bluez! ;P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Mar 21, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Mar 21, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
I got some other Navi pictures I could show you ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2010, 08:02:35 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2010, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: Huol on Mar 21, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fmwbrlx.jpg&hash=d262cadcc0dd3fdd449157997a5dec0cfc94ba55)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2hp6glf.jpg&hash=eb7b4f7ba8e7191e4a1a4d4c1f638342ab2e7a47)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 21, 2010, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 21, 2010, 08:18:48 PM
That pic would be funnier if it was Na'vi Weaver.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2010, 08:41:58 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2010, 08:41:58 PM
Don't know why, but everytime i see your sig and avatar i laugh my ass off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 21, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 21, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
Arnie's funniest bad guy. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 21, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 21, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 03:32:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PMmovies like Dances with Wolves can drag on a bit, but Avatar has the right balance somehow.
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
I thought they could have cut quite a bit out of Avatar, on my second viewing, I was just hoping for it to end.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
Quote from: Huol on Mar 21, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fmwbrlx.jpg&hash=d262cadcc0dd3fdd449157997a5dec0cfc94ba55)
The magical blue seed is over the Alien's head...guess that means the Alien was supposed to kill her for nature's good or something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 21, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 21, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
He's a pure spirit, that's what the woodsprites distinguish. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 21, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 21, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
"I admire its purity, a survivor ... "
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 21, 2010, 10:07:38 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 21, 2010, 10:07:38 PM
"... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."
;)
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
'and then cinematically buttf**ked to the outcry of fanboys.'
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 12:05:03 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 12:05:03 AM
QuoteWe're back to that! ...and so this thread re-cycles.
Considering the topic - it's quite poetic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 22, 2010, 12:45:48 AM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 22, 2010, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Mar 21, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
'and then cinematically buttf**ked to the outcry of fanboys.'
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 22, 2010, 01:22:32 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 22, 2010, 01:22:32 AM
Quote from: DeadCities on Mar 21, 2010, 09:18:58 PMQuote from: AvatarIII on Mar 17, 2010, 03:32:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2010, 03:16:49 PMmovies like Dances with Wolves can drag on a bit, but Avatar has the right balance somehow.
I wouldn't say Avatar is a bad film. A bad film is how I would described the AvP films. Avatar is by no means bad; it's just uninspired and derivative, but that doesn't make it bad. It's just weak.
I thought they could have cut quite a bit out of Avatar, on my second viewing, I was just hoping for it to end.
no-one made you see it again, oh and it must have been good if you went to see it a second time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 01:26:36 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 01:26:36 AM
See what he did there ^?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 01:59:08 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 21, 2010, 06:24:05 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
They do if it's a science fiction film, or masquerading as one. I love sci-fi, and I especially like it when the science part of that isn't completely ignored. You can't throw in something completely unfeasible without some sort of explanation; a simple "They float due to the high concentrations of unobtanium in the area" would have sufficed.
Did we watch the same movie? Because I remember them at the very least implying that that was the reason they floated.
They didn't do anything of the sort in the film. The only reason that I thought that was I went to the movie's website and it mentioned that the unobtanium was causing the levitation. My brother went in without any previous knowledge, and he was just "What the f**k?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:14:22 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:14:22 AM
I just assumed the floaty mountains were related to the *cringe* unobtanium and didn't give it anymore thought.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:15:22 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:15:22 AM
Well when the guy who showed the small piece of unobtanium, it was floating, so...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:16:47 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:16:47 AM
But still, it isn't clear that it is the substance itself that's floating; it seemed more like he had it on a levitation stand.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:19 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:19 AM
Well there it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:45 AM
There what is?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 22, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
What's shown, it's vague as hell, but that's all we get to make up a conclusion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:19:44 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:19:44 AM
Exactly; vague. If that had been the message Jimmy boy had been trying to get across, why didn't he make that a slap in the face, and make the things that really should have been subtle, well, subtle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:33:36 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:33:36 AM
Cos that'd mean explaining something he may not have properly thought through.
Sounds out of character I know...
Either way I didn't really care about explaining the floaty mountains. Musta been subliminal frame of Jimbo doing a Jedi mind trick "Don't question the floaty mountains! Look at the pretties!"
Sounds out of character I know...
Either way I didn't really care about explaining the floaty mountains. Musta been subliminal frame of Jimbo doing a Jedi mind trick "Don't question the floaty mountains! Look at the pretties!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:34:53 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:34:53 AM
I guess I just expect my films to treat me like a thinking, skeptical, intelligent individual. *sigh*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:37:23 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 02:37:23 AM
Meh... I just thought there were way more important problems than explaining floaty mountains. Especially if you can make a logical link to unobtanium and that vortex thing that f**ked with their scanners.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 22, 2010, 02:38:41 AM
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 22, 2010, 02:38:41 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:34:53 AM
I guess I just expect my films to treat me like a thinking, skeptical, intelligent individual. *sigh*
There there, it's gonna be allright. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:39:56 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:39:56 AM
Thank you; I take comfort in the fact that occasionally an intelligent film comes along. By the way, how did you survive the atomization? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 22, 2010, 02:41:15 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 22, 2010, 02:41:15 AM
est. $736,881,000
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 22, 2010, 05:23:40 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 22, 2010, 05:23:40 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:45 AM
There what is?
He's implying that a group comprised entirely of female animals will, breed.
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 22, 2010, 05:27:08 AM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 22, 2010, 05:27:08 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 22, 2010, 05:23:40 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:45 AM
There what is?
He's implying that a group comprised entirely of female animals will, breed.
;D
Parthenogenesis.
Where is your god now? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 22, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 22, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 01:59:08 AMQuote from: Navaha on Mar 21, 2010, 06:24:05 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 10:45:03 PM
They do if it's a science fiction film, or masquerading as one. I love sci-fi, and I especially like it when the science part of that isn't completely ignored. You can't throw in something completely unfeasible without some sort of explanation; a simple "They float due to the high concentrations of unobtanium in the area" would have sufficed.
Did we watch the same movie? Because I remember them at the very least implying that that was the reason they floated.
They didn't do anything of the sort in the film. The only reason that I thought that was I went to the movie's website and it mentioned that the unobtanium was causing the levitation. My brother went in without any previous knowledge, and he was just "What the f**k?"
Well, for that to happen, the rock surrounding the unobtanium would have to WEIGH 0% of the total unobtanium, otherwise, it would make the rock go down, not up... hence why the 'vortex' nonsense was introduced, failing to explain how the pilots could control the aircraft in that... The same forces that would make huge chunks of rock float AND disrupt any signal trailing would probably make it hard to control any aircraft with propellers or, at the very least, prevent it from flying orderly...
LIke I said, NO SCIENCE, ALL FICTION!
:D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:26:22 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 22, 2010, 05:23:40 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:17:45 AM
There what is?
He's implying that a group comprised entirely of female animals will, breed.
;D
Life... finds a way.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 22, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
Well, for that to happen, the rock surrounding the unobtanium would have to WEIGH 0% of the total unobtanium, otherwise, it would make the rock go down, not up... hence why the 'vortex' nonsense was introduced, failing to explain how the pilots could control the aircraft in that... The same forces that would make huge chunks of rock float AND disrupt any signal trailing would probably make it hard to control any aircraft with propellers or, at the very least, prevent it from flying orderly...
LIke I said, NO SCIENCE, ALL FICTION!
:D ;D
That statement was made all the more evident when I saw Moon, which had a great balance of those two elements.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 23, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 23, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 22, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
LIke I said, NO SCIENCE, ALL FICTION!
:D ;D
YES! I would rather watch more realistic movies like Terminator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 05:37:41 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 05:37:41 PM
haha lol. It's science fiction it is allowed to be unrealistic....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 05:37:41 PMBingo.
haha lol. It's science fiction it is allowed to be unrealistic....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 23, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 23, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 05:38:54 PMQuote from: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 05:37:41 PMBingo.
haha lol. It's science fiction it is allowed to be unrealistic....
BOTH DEAD WRONG! Sorry, guys, you are! Science fiction means 'fiction within the scientifically possible realm'...
Star Wars could happen, and so could Alien, Predator and so on and so forth...
Hell, why do you think we have now heat vision devices that can see predator-like, with different colors for the various heat signatures!
http://raz-ir.com/index.php/raz-ir-nano-thermal-infrared-camera.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC4VDAShyPI&feature=player_embedded
So, what the VFX guys did on Predator back on 1987 is REALITY now and has been for a few years now!
It's because Science-fiction is supposed to be POSSIBLE, not UNREAL...
You got the whole definition of SF wrong there, guys!
I am a huge Sci-fi fan, an Asimov fan, so I know what SF is!
This is a very accurate definition of it, by the way:
"Science fiction is a genre of fiction. It differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 23, 2010, 06:59:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 23, 2010, 06:59:44 PM
Read: The last sentence in the parenthesis. ^
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 23, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 23, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 23, 2010, 06:59:44 PM
Read: The last sentence in the parenthesis. ^
Much classier than a facepalm pic, I must type! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Quotethough some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculationBINGO, man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 07:45:13 PM
Post by: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 07:45:13 PM
did you just say Star Wars could happen and is scientifically possible????
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
In a completely twisted future history politically, culturally, and reilgiously speaking, yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 23, 2010, 07:57:50 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 23, 2010, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 07:21:05 PMQuotethough some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculationBINGO, man.
Keywords 'SOME' and 'imaginative SPECULATION'... you speculate about the future, about what things MIGHT look like... YOU still start from a basic premise that won't make people think it's hokus pokus... the parenthesis is not the whole statement...
You still have to take the laws of physics and chemistry into consideration regarding the forces of nature in the universe...
Quote from: Harkus on Mar 23, 2010, 07:45:13 PM
did you just say Star Wars could happen and is scientifically possible????
Scientifically speaking, yes!
I never said that the otherwordly races would look like that, if that's what you're wondering! Or that almost all would have humanoid form...
I was referring to scientific concepts like 'warp speed', for instance... ;)
Of course, there is no sound propagation in space, but that is another can of worms...! :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
Who says that this Unobtanium can't have a effect similar to equal magnetic poles and thus making those things floate? Plus, we have got the Meissner effect that dissolves every doubt.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 23, 2010, 08:14:05 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 23, 2010, 08:14:05 PM
I still can't move objects with my mind yet. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 23, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 23, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
Who says that this Unobtanium can't have a effect similar to equal magnetic poles and thus making those things floate? Plus, we have got the Meissner effect that dissolves every doubt.
That involves using superconductors cooled with liquid nitrogen and other such frigid substances; a bunch of rocks on a jungle planet do not fit that description.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 12:53:16 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 12:53:16 AM
according to Cameron, Na'vi has Silicon bones, so i wouldn't be surprised if he comes up with a "creamy center of whatever-the-f**k-i-want inside the hallelujahs thyat happens to act like a superconductor.
SCI-FI: you are doing it wrong.
SCI-FI: you are doing it wrong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2010, 12:58:03 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2010, 12:58:03 AM
Ssshhh!! He might be reading...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 24, 2010, 11:21:41 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 24, 2010, 11:21:41 AM
i can't remember where i read/heard it but i'm pretty sure that unobtanium is supposed to be a room temperature superconductor.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 12:45:57 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2010, 12:58:03 AM
Ssshhh!! He might be reading...
Oops, too late! :P
WARNING: OVERLONG POST AHEAD...GUTS REQUIRED FROM NOW ON... :o
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 12:53:16 AM
according to Cameron, Na'vi has Silicon bones, so i wouldn't be surprised if he comes up with a "creamy center of whatever-the-f**k-i-want inside the hallelujahs thyat happens to act like a superconductor.
SCI-FI: you are doing it wrong.
The target audience of this movie are kids, not science-savvy people, hence why he OUGHT TO explain onscreen how things work...I mean, with a shallow script like this, does JC really want us to believe he thought about it even for a second? Silicon bones? That's the best he can come up with?
"Silicon is an essential element in biology, although only tiny traces of it appear to be required by animals.[5] It is much more important to the metabolism of plants, particularly many grasses..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
And it is a metalloid! Talk about 'a diet rich in IRON!' there! :P
The fact is the science is ridiculous on this movie and a closer look easily reveals that JC only cares about moviemaking tech, not physical or chemical laws of nature... even the tech is ridiculous: who in his right mind would conceive an APC with KNIVES and GUNS detachable? I mean, KNIVES?! That single shot made me laugh till my stomach ached!
The horses, the flying dragons, the rhinos, the pink monkey, all the creatures were superficially thought out... There is not a creature that makes sense, especially the Nav'i! And that ridiculous 'plug-in'... I actually enjoyed that Grace joke 'you can go blind doing that' when Jake was observing his!
There is not a single scientific aspect in this movie that didn't make me go 'WTF!'...
For instance, Star Wars is a space (soap) opera, but (most of) the tech in it was displayed in a believable way, with Boba Fett's jet pack, the Millenium Falcon's Warp speed, the robots C3PO and R2D2 giving a sense of what could possibly exist in the future...
For a movie made in 1977, the tech displayed there was far more believable than in AVATAR... Why?
In all science fiction featurettes I have seen, including the Alien one, there is always the notion that in order for people to believe and be immersed in a sci-fi movie, the science has to be believable, and for me the only way to make ti believable is to make it a credible evolution of the tech we have today!
;)
About your second remark, Sci-Fi does need to create the illusion of believability, otherwise, it is just a Fantasy movie with fantastic creatures like Ogres and Elves...
There isn't a single thing in AVATAR that is believable, even in an alien setting... And that is because the science is totally flawed... The aircraft, the creatures, the physical forces, they are all hors-science and all fictional in nature... SF movies require that the science portrayed could be believable and happen sometime in the future...the propeller-natured tech is a concept that is ridiculous in a space setting, not to mention obsolete by that time... And the alusion that they are the only way to navigate on Pandora, that is pure BS... The exposed mechanical parts, like the propellers, would be affected much more than electromagnetic engines, for instance... Also, the man-handled APCs are ridiculous even now, when we live NOW in a time of Predator drones... And the Knive, my friends, the Knive...! I can't visualise it without bursting into laughter! :P :o
The APCs in Matrix Revolutions looked far more credible and realistic than this, not to mention more ORIGINAL! Why would a APC have detached weapons? What if in a emergency you couldn't get to the weapons on time? The APC's mimicking of human movements is ridiculous and LOOKED ridiculous as well! Even the bulldozers were too archaic! The shell casings weapons are already obsolete, since there are TODAY HK11s already existing, with only the gun lobbies preventing from using and improving, both mechanically and in terms of design...
So, yes, the Science (read CREDIBLE, EVOLUTIONARY science, as in 'future science as result of a possible evolution of present-day science', needs to be present for this to be labelled a 'Sci-fi movie' and for an Animation movie that arrogantly wants to be taken seriously, JC should be more careful because in a movie that features humans in it, the forces of nature as we know them DO apply...! Otherwise, it is just a fantasy story happening on another planet, not a Sci-fi one!
Having said all that, though, I need you to elaborate on what you said there about the SF, chupacabras...It is somewhat cryptic to me, especially since yuo don't give any reason or reasons for your claim! :-\
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 24, 2010, 11:21:41 AM
i can't remember where i read/heard it but i'm pretty sure that unobtanium is supposed to be a room temperature superconductor.
If it's not in the movie, it doesn't matter! Conjectures or explanations hors-movie are worthless to the viewer, because the director cannot expect a viewer to make sense out of a movie WHILE WATCHING IT, or a part of it, by going to exterior media to make sense out of them! That is ridiculous and lazy!
JC never elaborated on the Unobtanium like he never elaborated on how Skynet could survive Judgment Day... It mattered not to him... It was just a 'on the fly' mention that was never intended to be thought about or thought through...at least, at the time...
That is why his movies are not supposed to be thought through, because none of them would survive it!
If Skynet's survival makes no sense, the whole T concept makes no sense!
One of the reasons I think AVATAR was written for kids is because kids never ask what is UNOBTANIUM nor do they require further information... All they need is 'this is why they are fighting for and it is very valuable'... Why it is so needed by people on Earth is not necessary...'
Even the idea of a corporate villain is overused already, by HIM (the Alien Trilogy's 'Company') and by many others, so it is already a BORING concept!
And the idea of a villain with no redeeming features is unrealistic by today's standards! We all know EVIL is abou shades of grey, not BLACK or WHITE! That is a kiddies' idea of EVIL!
The economy of info in AVATAR contributed to its shallowness... When the motivations aren' clear, when the ideas aren'r clear, when there is so much important information being overlooked or simply absent, the film becomes empty, just a sequence of action sequences. The involvement of the viewers require far more than 3D, it requires a story that leaves no holes and explains why the heroes and villains act the way they act... Even the corporate guy (Ribisi) was absent the bigger part of the movie, showing how much credibility he gave the main villain... The mercenary guy was too cliché to matter! His motivations were flimsy as the whole character was and never convinced me of why he acted the way he did...
I am used NOW to movies with much more depth and care than this!
I just recently watched the SUROGATES movie and it reminded me of what a Sci-fi really is: an hypothetical world that can very much happen in the very near future as well as the implications of the technological advancements in our lives... It reminded me of I AM ROBOT and MINORITY REPORT, both sci-fi movies in the true sense of the word...
AVATAR is just a kiddies' version of it, and a very poor one at that!
I wouldn't want JC to tell me a bedtime story... It would have the effect intended (put me to sleep) but not for the right reasons! :P :o :D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
ehh, i thought my point was clear:
James Cameron pulling things out of his ass.
ohh, and they are Mechs(mechanized walking Infantry), not APC. an APC is an armored personal Carrier, a vehicle designed to carry soldiers to battle and get out of the way.(though that the APC in aliens was more of an IFV, an infantry fighting vehicle, since it was made to fight along with the marines).
James Cameron pulling things out of his ass.
ohh, and they are Mechs(mechanized walking Infantry), not APC. an APC is an armored personal Carrier, a vehicle designed to carry soldiers to battle and get out of the way.(though that the APC in aliens was more of an IFV, an infantry fighting vehicle, since it was made to fight along with the marines).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 24, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 24, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 12:45:57 PM
For instance, Star Wars is a space (soap) opera, but (most of) the tech in it was displayed in a believable way, with Boba Fett's jet pack, the Millenium Falcon's Warp speed, the robots C3PO and R2D2 giving a sense of what could possibly exist in the future...
How can anyone take your posts seriously when you can't even read the first thing that comes on screen in any Star Wars film...
Pffffffffffft!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 24, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
How can anyone take your posts seriously when you can't even read the first thing that comes on screen in any Star Wars film...
Pffffffffffft!
What? The 'A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...'?
I thought that was a Battlestar Galactica kinda joke... Like, we had a future BEFORE we had a future! ;D
Still, my point remains and SW was just a, I admit, somewhat feeble attempt to demonstrate the point I was trying to get across...Which was that the tech in SW was believable, not that SW was our future! God forbid! :o
Still, it had humans in it! a-ha! So, our past, our future, it doesn't matter! It was still the future of the human race at some point! That's the problem with chronology, the present is gonna be past the moment it is present and then the future becomes the present before becoming the past! :P :o :D
My rationale still stands, though... Nice try, Aeus... I'm on to you now! ;D
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
ehh, i thought my point was clear:
James Cameron pulling things out of his ass.
ohh, and they are Mechs(mechanized walking Infantry), not APC. an APC is an armored personal Carrier, a vehicle designed to carry soldiers to battle and get out of the way.(though that the APC in aliens was more of an IFV, an infantry fighting vehicle, since it was made to fight along with the marines).
Damn, I got caught! You're right on my APC mistake there, damn... Sorry... :-[
I confused it with the term they used on Matrix Revolutions, which was, if I am not mistaken, APU!
Sorry about that there, guys!
About your first point, it is crystal clear to me now... he DOES pull things out of his 'derrière'...! :D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 24, 2010, 10:26:42 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 24, 2010, 10:26:42 PM
QuoteWARNING: OVERLONG POST AHEAD...GUTS REQUIRED FROM NOW ON...
We take that as 'read'. You don't need to preface every post with it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 25, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 25, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
the standard course of action in the internet is including a P.D. as TL;DR: you include the important bits on the bottom, so the reader can scroll to to the point if he wants. TL;DR means "too long; didnt read".
TL;DR: you use this.
TL;DR: you use this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 25, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: EarthHive on Mar 25, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
James Cameron speaks on a director's responsibility to take control of their film. Wow...all I thought a director did was point the camera and shoot. ::)
http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1079704p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1079704p1.html)
http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1079704p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1079704p1.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 25, 2010, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 25, 2010, 01:40:45 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 24, 2010, 12:53:16 AM
according to Cameron, Na'vi has carbon fiber bones
Fixed.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 24, 2010, 12:45:57 PM
For instance, Star Wars is a space (soap) opera, but (most of) the tech in it was displayed in a believable way, with Boba Fett's jet pack, the Millenium Falcon's Warp speed, the robots C3PO and R2D2 giving a sense of what could possibly exist in the future...
For a movie made in 1977, the tech displayed there was far more believable than in AVATAR... Why?
There are many words I'd use to describe Star Wars. "Believable" is not one of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 25, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 25, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 25, 2010, 01:40:45 PMSeconded. I mean, we're nto just going to make a special forces horde like the Jedi will we? :P
There are many words I'd use to describe Star Wars. "Believable" is not one of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
I'll say something; Star Wars seemed believable because it had a little something called suspension of disbelief. If a film can attain that, it can do pretty much whatever the f**k it wants and no one will care. Avatar did not attain that with me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alexa Chung on Mar 25, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Mar 25, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
I liked avatar. I might watch it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
I'll say something; Star Wars seemed believable because it had a little something called suspension of disbelief. If a film can attain that, it can do pretty much whatever the f**k it wants and no one will care. Avatar did not attain that with me.
Star Wars had some degree of reality to it. For the same reason I can appreciate Star Trek, Star Wars is the sort of thing I can watch and imagine that "You know what, maybe someday, all this technology actually would exist".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 25, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Mar 25, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
I'll say something; Star Wars seemed believable because it had a little something called suspension of disbelief. If a film can attain that, it can do pretty much whatever the f**k it wants and no one will care. Avatar did not attain that with me.
Ummmmmmm have you watched Avatar? The only technological aspect in that movie I don't see happening in the next 200 years is the linking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 25, 2010, 05:43:34 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 25, 2010, 05:43:34 PM
Are people really about to debate whether Star Wars or Avatar is the most realistic? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 06:14:25 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2010, 04:29:10 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
I'll say something; Star Wars seemed believable because it had a little something called suspension of disbelief. If a film can attain that, it can do pretty much whatever the f**k it wants and no one will care. Avatar did not attain that with me.
Star Wars had some degree of reality to it. For the same reason I can appreciate Star Trek, Star Wars is the sort of thing I can watch and imagine that "You know what, maybe someday, all this technology actually would exist".
Sorry, sorry, sorry! Look, I love Star Wars with all my heart. I even had my Facebook religion set to 'Jedi' prior to converting to 'The Church of Mel Gibson'. And I will take the original trilogy over Avatar any day... but at no point does Star Wars ever become believable.
Sure, at some point far off in the distance we may well be in posession of laser swords and faster-than-light-travel, but the whole notion of Jedi warriors harnessing the power of the force sets Star Wars firmly in the realm of fantasy (heck, it's the classic good vs evil fantasy story with the goblin horde replaced by stormtroopers etc). Technically speaking, Avatar is far more believable (linking technology most likely aside).
But the point is that at the end of the day, both Star Wars and Avatar (with the former in the lead for obvious reasons, check the last hundred or so posts for evidence) are both forms of pure escapism - which is exactly what a lot of people seem to be forgetting about Avatar. Even though it was extremely shallow, and often felt like filmmaking 101 (such as the torturous setup and payoff structure), its sole purpose was for it to lose us in this rich, alien world. Now obviously not everyone likes that (I myself, despite finding the film entertaining, am a little hesitant about a second viewing), but I'd be hard-pressed to say that it failed at its objective.
\(*o*)/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
Quote... but at no point does Star Wars ever become believable.
What he said.
I love Star Wars way more than Avatar, but it's a fairy tale set in space. There's little to no science in the science fiction. It set up it's own rules and stuck to them. One thing that made it more believable was the "lived in" universe it presented, where things are dirty and break down, rather than being all clean and new and shiny like Star Trek or 2001.
That said - if you can buy into the transforming your mind into another body in Avatar, you can pretty buy into anything in that flick. That's not where it's myriad problems lie though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
I wasn't saying that Star Wars seemed plausible; I was saying that it attained suspension of disbelief, which allowed me to ignore all the impossible things being shown. With Avatar, not so much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:07:08 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:07:08 PM
And I was saying that they're both fantasy (Avatar less so) films. Escapism in their purest forms.
Neither film is supposed to even seem plausible.
Neither film is supposed to even seem plausible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
It seems very odd having an argument with you. About the escapism; that only works if the film can attain suspension of disbelief. Avatar did not, so it wasn't even that good at being pure fantasy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:11:54 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:11:54 PM
people really think star wars is more realisctic?
seems everyone single bloody planet has oxygen that people can breath.
and not to mention english seems to be the dominant language on every planet.
seems everyone single bloody planet has oxygen that people can breath.
and not to mention english seems to be the dominant language on every planet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:15:50 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:15:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
It seems very odd having an argument with you. About the escapism; that only works if the film can attain suspension of disbelief. Avatar did not, so it wasn't even that good at being pure fantasy.
Yes, this is rather surreal. But like I typed -
Quoteits sole purpose was for it to lose us in this rich, alien world. Now obviously not everyone likes that
Avatar didn't work for you quite like how it did for others. As for my reaction to it... I find myself sitting on the fence, so to type.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2010, 11:33:01 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2010, 11:33:01 PM
Quoteand not to mention english seems to be the dominant language on every planet
That'd explain all those subtitles...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 25, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 25, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
and chewbacca's growls. ;)
But seriously, in terms of the SCIENCE in the science fiction - Avatar is way more believable then Star Wars - by a long long way.
But seriously, in terms of the SCIENCE in the science fiction - Avatar is way more believable then Star Wars - by a long long way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2010, 11:33:01 PMQuoteand not to mention english seems to be the dominant language on every planet
That'd explain all those subtitles...
english subtitles to the english language, weird huh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
You've never been to Nal Hutta, have you? ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:54:22 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
You've never been to Nal Hutta, have you? ;)
nup, you?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:56:05 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:56:05 PM
Maybe...
But if you do go, be sure to pack a basic Huttese language book.
But if you do go, be sure to pack a basic Huttese language book.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 25, 2010, 11:56:05 PM
Maybe...
But if you do go, be sure to pack a basic Huttese language book.
or i could just use the olde English, seems most aliens in star wars know it and can talk it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 26, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 26, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
You probably wouldn't have much luck on a species' home planet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 26, 2010, 12:11:35 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Mar 26, 2010, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 26, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
You probably wouldn't have much luck on a species' home planet.
guess ill just have to read the subtitles
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
I always carry my trusty Babel fish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 11:58:00 PMUnless you're in the French version of Star Wars ... or the German, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc.
or i could just use the olde English, seems most aliens in star wars know it and can talk it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2010, 12:22:18 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2010, 12:22:18 AM
The Chinese version subtitled Nien Nunb in Jedi...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 12:35:29 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 25, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
and chewbacca's growls. ;)
But seriously, in terms of the SCIENCE in the science fiction - Avatar is way more believable then Star Wars - by a long long way.
Care to elaborate on your last claim? ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
I consider them both sci-fi fantasy and don't really care if what is in them is actually possible. But, considering Avatar is based on Earthlings space traveling and tinkering with neural linking far in the future, I guess that's by default more believable than 100% human looking aliens in a galaxy far far away with laser swords and super natural powers, imo (just to directly address your request for elaboration on why someone would claim that.) But ya know, the Na'vi look pretty human-like too and there's much debate about floating mountains and what-not, so it's really all a moot discussion as they are fantastical settings anyways.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
(...) so it's really all a moot discussion as they are fantastical settings anyways.
Hey, I thought that was what we were here for! :D :P ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 03:10:48 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 03:10:48 PM
By all means, discuss!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:21:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:21:40 PM
Let me express it this way: I believe more in space travel and laser guns than floating mountains or big blue smurfy cats that have sex with trees because an X-Wing seems more plausible than the latter.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
Lol, I think that would fall under that you prefer those things, not that they are any more plausible. :P Besides, it's not the space travel, laser guns, and X-Wings that are the most out there components, there's much more fantastical elements. But that's fine! I dig it all the same!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 26, 2010, 03:29:07 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 26, 2010, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:21:40 PM
Let me express it this way: I believe more in space travel and laser guns than floating mountains or big blue smurfy cats that have sex with trees because an X-Wing seems more plausible than the latter.
so floaty mountains are less believable than the force, and antigravity, and artificial gravity?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:32:03 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:32:03 PM
I was referring to the technology only.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:32:03 PMTree connection is not technology. Comparing Technology of Star Wars to Avatar "Natural" things is unfair. let's compare it instead to -say- AMPs or the Chopper thingys
I was referring to the technology only.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:36:31 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:32:03 PMTree connection is not technology. Comparing Technology of Star Wars to Avatar "Natural" things is unfair. let's compare it instead to -say- AMPs or the Chopper thingys
I was referring to the technology only.
Ok, 'Space Technology' versus 'Fantasy La-La Land'... ;)
And there is technology on AVATAR (the AVATAR program, the Aircraft, the APUs, the weaponry, spaceships, etc) which can be comparable to SW's in terms of 'is it futuristic or just make-belief?'...
I think there is a step back actually in the aircraft tech (THAT they DID explain why, as flimsy as it sounds though) displayed in AVATAR, with the propeller system, for instance...
The man-held APUs and pilotted 'choppers' are a step back to the idea started by the Predator drones (remotely controlled aircraft) and that is Present Day tech already deployed!
So, AVATAR is not all about Natural organic bondage between all living beings, it is also about futuristic science or lack thereof!
;)
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 26, 2010, 03:29:07 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 03:21:40 PM
Let me express it this way: I believe more in space travel and laser guns than floating mountains or big blue smurfy cats that have sex with trees because an X-Wing seems more plausible than the latter.
so floaty mountains are less believable than the force, and antigravity, and artificial gravity?
The latter two are scientifically possible, and i think the last one exists already! Regarding the Force, I still haven't done a blood count to know how many midichlorians I have, so I still can't say for sure! :P :D
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Have you ever, EVER been in an Alien Planet? You know that things like floating mountains can't possibly exist because on Earth there aren't, and there aren't substances and conditions like in Pandora?
It's Sci-Fi. End.
It's Sci-Fi. End.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Have you ever, EVER been in an Alien Planet? You know that things like floating mountains can't possibly exist because on Earth there aren't, and there aren't substances and conditions like in Pandora?
It's Sci-Fi. End.
It is FI, not SCI-FI...That's the debate we are having here...
SCI_FI implies having Futuristic Science in it...Do you see it? I sure don't!
The Surogates, I am Robot, Alien, Predator, has it... AVATAR? Nope!
Just because you are in a different planet, it doesn't matter, because it is not a glimpse at futuristic science, in the lines of Isaac Asimov and others... Saying this load of crap is Sci-fi does a lot of disservice to a much brighter breed of people!
Not to mention 2001, Space 1999, Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica... and the list goes on and on...!
By the way, would you call SPACE MONKEYS a sci-fi movie?!? :o :D
So, Omega, it surely is not the end, JUST THE BEGINNING... :P ;)
PS By the way, regarding your question, neither have you...BUT I DO KNOW why are biped, why we have the humanoid form, why we speak languages and why a planet like Pandora could never exist! It's called Astronomy and Anthropology...And we know we are unique because of OUR planet and the singular evolutionary path we undertook... Singular as unrepeatable, especially by otherwordly creatures... Hence why a creature like the DNA-adaptable Xenomorph (parasitic in nature) would make more sense than a humanoid Nav'i! 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Post by: Cellien on Mar 26, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
But the point is that some are claiming Star Wars is better or "believable" because it's more realistic when it's just as fantastical.
So using tech taken from existing tech today is less believable? We've been using props for hundreds of years (including those on boats)- it may prove to be a timeless design, only needing advancements in what drives it.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
Ok, 'Space Technology' versus 'Fantasy La-La Land'... ;)
And there is technology on AVATAR (the AVATAR program, the Aircraft, the APUs, the weaponry, spaceships, etc) which can be comparable to SW's in terms of 'is it futuristic or just make-belief?'...
I think there is a step back actually in the aircraft tech (THAT they DID explain why, as flimsy as it sounds though) displayed in AVATAR, with the propeller system, for instance...
The man-held APUs and pilotted 'choppers' are a step back to the idea started by the Predator drones (remotely controlled aircraft) and that is Present Day tech already deployed!
So, AVATAR is not all about Natural organic bondage between all living beings, it is also about futuristic science or lack thereof!
So using tech taken from existing tech today is less believable? We've been using props for hundreds of years (including those on boats)- it may prove to be a timeless design, only needing advancements in what drives it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 26, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 26, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Have you ever, EVER been in an Alien Planet? You know that things like floating mountains can't possibly exist because on Earth there aren't, and there aren't substances and conditions like in Pandora?
It's Sci-Fi. End.
It is FI, not SCI-FI...That's the debate we are having here...
SCI_FI implies having Futuristic Science in it...Do you see it? I sure don't!
The Surogates, I am Robot, Alien, Predator, has it... AVATAR? Nope!
Just because you are in a different planet, it doesn't matter, because it is not a glimpse at futuristic science, in the lines of Isaac Asimov and others... Saying this load of crap is Sci-fi does a lot of disservice to a much brighter breed of people!
Not to mention 2001, Space 1999, Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica... and the list goes on and on...!
By the way, would you call SPACE MONKEYS a sci-fi movie?!? :o :D
So, Omega, it surely is not the end, JUST THE BEGINNING... :P ;)
i honestly don't get where you are coming from, are you saying Avatar isn't Sci-fi because it has no science in it? no science such as cryo-sleep, hybrid-cloning, and many other uses of futuristic science.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMNot necessarily. Godzilla, Species, Peter Benchley's Creature, and movies like those are still Science Fiction even if having nothing about futuristic technology.
SCI_FI implies having Futuristic Science in it...Do you see it? I sure don't!
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMAMP, linking technology and cryosleep looks really innovating to me, obviously comparing it to actual technology and not to other SFs.
The Surogates, I am Robot, Alien, Predator, has it... AVATAR? Nope!
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMYes, as I call Sci Fi a six foot bug (catch the twisted reference! ;D) with a phallus head, a gigantic reptile that enjoys destroying cities, A Human/Shark Hybrid and other plausible or not monsters.
By the way, would you call SPACE MONKEYS a sci-fi movie?!? :o :D
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMAlways disponible.
So, Omega, it surely is not the end, JUST THE BEGINNING... :P ;)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMSo... you know that evolution on other planets couldn't be like that... proof? ;D
PS By the way, regarding your question, neither have you...BUT I DO KNOW why are biped, why we have the humanoid form, why we speak languages and why a planet like Pandora could never exist!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Mar 26, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 26, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
This is the most ridiculous argument ive came across on here yet. Its a film which includes space travel, cryo sleep, new cloning techniques (avataer program), its set on a different planet, there are aliens and futuristic weaponry? hmm doesnt sound like anything but Sci-Fi to me and to argue otherwise is just being ignorant of the facts infront of you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 04:17:32 PMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMNot necessarily. Godzilla, Species, Peter Benchley's Creature, and movies like those are still Science Fiction even if having nothing about futuristic technology.
SCI_FI implies having Futuristic Science in it...Do you see it? I sure don't!Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMAMP, linking technology and cryosleep looks really innovating to me, obviously comparing it to actual technology and not to other SFs.
The Surogates, I am Robot, Alien, Predator, has it... AVATAR? Nope!Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMYes, as I call Sci Fi a six foot bug (catch the twisted reference! ;D) with a phallus head, a gigantic reptile that enjoys destroying cities, A Human/Shark Hybrid and other plausible or not monsters.
By the way, would you call SPACE MONKEYS a sci-fi movie?!? :o :DQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMAlways disponible.
So, Omega, it surely is not the end, JUST THE BEGINNING... :P ;)Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 04:00:56 PMSo... you know that evolution on other planets couldn't be like that... proof? ;D
PS By the way, regarding your question, neither have you...BUT I DO KNOW why are biped, why we have the humanoid form, why we speak languages and why a planet like Pandora could never exist!
Ok, I had a long, expository post, but my laptop just froze...lost the entire thing... (ok, hold the applause till after the show)... ??? :D
It was for the better... this is INDEED a weird debate, I give you that, Keg!
But since we have nothing better to do with our time, let's discuss the basics, shall we...?
So, Omega, it's a trio of fields of knowledge called Anthropology, Biology ans Astronomy that enables me to say that...The same rationality that enabled Philosophy to 'kill' God...
What you can't prove doesn't exist, you say? well, we do know how life appeared on this planet and how we came to be as a species, an evolution...
The reason that enables me to state that IF there was to be life on other planets, a mathematical possibility given the amount of stars, planetary systems and so on and so forth, the chance of a humanoid, bipedal creature with roughly the same features we do (eyes, nose, lips) is very, very remote...why? Because of how our species came to be: an evolution that could only take place because of singularities in terms of species and in terms of cataclysmic events...
We are a fluke of nature, the same with many creatures: some evolved due to the need to adapt, others didn't have to, so they remained unevolved...
I am not gonna give a boring School lesson here, just summoning up to this: if yuo have studied as I did, you would know that there are many scientists, anthropologists who have stated this, so It is not my ignorant opinion I state here...
So, this is to respond to your last claim...
About the examples you gave of Sci-fi movies, it is ...interesting... I concur with Alien, but Godzilla is pushing it a bit... The other movie, I confess, have not seen it!
The tech you mentioned was largely overviewed in many movies, so it is not science-fiction anymore, just science-repetition...
Like I said, hardly any originality in it, hence one of the reasons this is no science.fiction, just the repetition or blatant rip-off of other movies...
I had already written replies to Cellien, Omega and the others, hence the overlength of it, but I am bushed... I'll do them tomorrow...Sorry, guys... :(
Have a good one ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 26, 2010, 07:26:28 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 26, 2010, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: Keg on Mar 26, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
This is the most ridiculous argument ive came across on here yet. Its a film which includes space travel, cryo sleep, new cloning techniques (avataer program), its set on a different planet, there are aliens and futuristic weaponry? hmm doesnt sound like anything but Sci-Fi to me and to argue otherwise is just being ignorant of the facts infront of you.
QFT.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PMPlease...
The same rationality that enabled Philosophy to 'kill' God...
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PMVery, very remote, but not impossible :)
The reason that enables me to state that IF there was to be life on other planets, a mathematical possibility given the amount of stars, planetary systems and so on and so forth, the chance of a humanoid, bipedal creature with roughly the same features we do (eyes, nose, lips) is very, very remote...
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PMIf you want a horror sci-fi with one of the most beautyful actresses out there, check out Species.
About the examples you gave of Sci-fi movies, it is ...interesting... I concur with Alien, but Godzilla is pushing it a bit... The other movie, I confess, have not seen it!
If you want just a weird movie, check out Creature.
Godzilla is sci-fi. All of the original series (minus some films) adn the remake are sci-fi. How do you classify them? :P
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PMCan I auto-quote myself
The tech you mentioned was largely overviewed in many movies, so it is not science-fiction anymore, just science-repetition...
QuoteAMP, linking technology and cryosleep looks really innovating to me, obviously comparing it to actual technology and not to other SFs.:o
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 07:14:31 PMGojira is basically a ripoff from The Beast from 20.000 Fathoms but is nearly-universally accepted of one of the greatest monster movies. Couldn't it be the same for AVATAR, only in general Sci-Fi?
Like I said, hardly any originality in it, hence one of the reasons this is no science.fiction, just the repetition or blatant rip-off of other movies...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 10:58:26 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 26, 2010, 07:26:28 PMQuote from: Keg on Mar 26, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
This is the most ridiculous argument ive came across on here yet. Its a film which includes space travel, cryo sleep, new cloning techniques (avataer program), its set on a different planet, there are aliens and futuristic weaponry? hmm doesnt sound like anything but Sci-Fi to me and to argue otherwise is just being ignorant of the facts infront of you.
QFT.
It's soft sci-fi. Very soft. I, personally, prefer harder stuff, which is why I don't think this movie is very good as a sci-fi film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 26, 2010, 11:02:51 PM
Post by: DeadCities on Mar 26, 2010, 11:02:51 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 22, 2010, 02:39:56 AM
Thank you; I take comfort in the fact that occasionally an intelligent film comes along. By the way, how did you survive the atomization? :D
I pulled a doctor manhattan!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Ah, those good ol' intrinsic fields. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 27, 2010, 04:52:23 AM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 27, 2010, 04:52:23 AM
They have people in Star Wars who can basically use magic, they have weapons consisting of a self-terminating beam of light (which is impossible without breaking the laws of physics), and most of the aliens in it are hovering right around the same believability level as the Na'Vi from Avatar. Star Wars is probably one of my favorite film series, but calling it believable is just laughable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2010, 05:44:07 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2010, 05:44:07 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 26, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
Gojira is basically a ripoff from The Beast from 20.000 Fathoms but is nearly-universally accepted of one of the greatest monster movies. Couldn't it be the same for AVATAR, only in general Sci-Fi?
Gojira took the same concept and put one hell of a twist to it and told a terrific story. It's a great movie, for the same reason District 9 is. Same stories (taking from their own films) and telling them in a new and imaginative way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 27, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 27, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Yutani, you're arguing a moot, and dead point. This is Sci-fi no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 27, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Mar 27, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
QuoteGojira is basically a ripoff from The Beast from 20.000 Fathoms but is nearly-universally accepted of one of the greatest monster movies. Couldn't it be the same for AVATAR, only in general Sci-Fi?
Dragon Ball did the same also by retelling the original Jountry to the west story plot. The conpect of people using Alien avatars has not been done before IIRC?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 27, 2010, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Mar 27, 2010, 04:25:00 PM
Yes it has.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Mar 27, 2010, 04:59:34 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 27, 2010, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 26, 2010, 10:58:26 PMQuote from: First Blood on Mar 26, 2010, 07:26:28 PMQuote from: Keg on Mar 26, 2010, 05:22:43 PM
This is the most ridiculous argument ive came across on here yet. Its a film which includes space travel, cryo sleep, new cloning techniques (avataer program), its set on a different planet, there are aliens and futuristic weaponry? hmm doesnt sound like anything but Sci-Fi to me and to argue otherwise is just being ignorant of the facts infront of you.
QFT.
It's soft sci-fi. Very soft. I, personally, prefer harder stuff, which is why I don't think this movie is very good as a sci-fi film.
Sure it aint the type of Sci-Fi youre gonna find in 2001, Sunshine, Blade Runner but its still sci-fi and to claim it isnt sci-fi is ignoring what you see in the movie. If this isnt sci-fi then neither are films like Star Wars, The Fifth Element, or Serenity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 27, 2010, 06:20:30 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 27, 2010, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Mar 27, 2010, 01:50:53 PMI'm not into DragonBall since like, 2006? i don't remember. I gotta watch the live-action. Tell me, is it crap? :D
Dragon Ball did the same also by retelling the original Jountry to the west story plot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2010, 10:05:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 27, 2010, 10:05:20 PM
For God's sake don't do it man, just don't. It's not worth it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 27, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 27, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
It's shite to the highest degree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2010, 11:43:52 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2010, 11:43:52 PM
QuoteNot to mention 2001, Space 1999, Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica... and the list goes on and on...!
Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica are both Space Opera. As is Star Wars.
And Space 1999 from memory...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 04:26:48 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 04:26:48 AM
The only "hard" sci-fi film I can think of would be 2001 - And most people find it almost unwatchable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 04:31:21 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 04:31:21 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 26, 2010, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: stephen on Mar 25, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
and chewbacca's growls. ;)
But seriously, in terms of the SCIENCE in the science fiction - Avatar is way more believable then Star Wars - by a long long way.
Care to elaborate on your last claim? ;)
Here's this for a start:
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/sciencev.shtml
and some excerpts from it:
QuoteJanuary 2, 2010 - The starship that transported our hero, a Marine named Jake Sully, to Pandora made only a brief appearance at the beginning of the film. While nothing much was really said about this vessel, it did at least bear a resemblance to a craft that might actually operate in space at least during the next few centuries. This is in opposition to the starships of Star Trek and Star Wars, which often tend to be 'sexy', sleek to the point of being needlessly aerodynamic in the near vacuum of space.
I do not recall the type of propulsion used by the starship in Avatar, but apparently it could attain high relativistic velocities, as the crew was in suspended animation for just over five years, which would be just about right for traveling from Earth to the Alpha Centauri system. Now whether we will have such a starcraft or any kind of manned starship by the year 2154 when the film takes place is another matter.
QuoteHome Sweet Moon
But could a moon hold life? Potentially, yes. Actually, making Pandora a moon appears to be an acknowledgment of recent science. Astronomers are still looking for planets like Earth – small and rocky – within the so-called "Goldilocks zone": Not so close to its star that its life-giving water evaporates, yet not so far away that it freezes into ice. But small planets are hard to find. Instead, scientists have found gas giants like Saturn in the habitable zone around stars. Those planets are not inhabitable – but their moons could be.
That makes moons a good place to start looking for alien life. "All of the gas giant planets in our solar system have rocky and icy moons," Lisa Kaltenegger of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., told AP. "That raises the possibility that alien Jupiters will also have moons. Some of those may be Earth-sized and able to hold onto an atmosphere."
The problem is that gas giants emit tremendous amounts of radiation. The daily radiation on Jupiter's Io, for instance, is 4,000 times the lethal dose. Yet here again, Cameron uses science to solve science's own problems. The robust magnetic field created by Pandora's superconductivity deflects the radiation. At one point in the film, a spectacular aurora dances overhead. Striking filmmaking, yes.
But also pure science. The companion book, "Avatar: A Confidential Report on the Biological and Social History of Pandora," adds that the interaction of the magnetic fields of Pandora and its parent planet "causes a giant increase in electrical activity on both bodies, with massive auroral storms and other electromagnetic phenomenon." Such a magnetic field could also be responsible for the telltale arcing formations of rock apparent at the climax of the film.
QuoteThe Science: Much research has been done on the first link in the avatar chain, which is patching biological 'wetware' into machined hardware. The goal of much of this research into brain-machine interfaces (BMIs) is indeed to afford handicapped people, like Jake, shots at mobility.
"What is in the movie [Avatar] is surprisingly similar to experiments we are actually doing right now," says Miguel Nicolelis, a neuroscientist at Duke University and lead researcher for the multinational Walk Again Project, based in Brazil. The Project is developing an exoskeletal, 'neuroprosthethic' device that fits around a paralyzed person's body and receives commands from his mind.
Last year, Nicolelis and his colleagues provided the strongest demonstration to date of this sort of arrangement. In their lab in North Carolina, the researchers trained a rhesus monkey to walk upright on a treadmill. They then took neural signals picked up by electrodes in the monkey's brain and sent them over the Internet along with video to a lab in Japan where a robot synchronized its motions with the monkey's gait. "We are training monkeys to control their own avatar using brainwave activity," Nicolelis says.
Other work has allowed primates to remotely move robotic arms, and, in humans, electrode implants have helped generate synthetic vocalizations and mentally move computer cursors. Yet other efforts seek to reroute neural signals via wearable machine interfaces around the severed spinal cord to reconnect functional bodily muscles back to the brain. The seamless and complete transfer of consciousness into another biological body envisioned in Avatar is bounds beyond what is presently realizable, however. "It's pretty far-fetched," Nicolelis says.
QuoteThe Floating Hallelujah Mountains
The topic of how an entire mountain range can bob over the landscape like corks is never explicitly addressed in the film, yet the explanation is woven throughout the story. It all has to do with superconductors. When superconductors are in the presence of a magnetic field, they can float. "Avatar's" alien world of Pandora, it turns out, is simply a massive superconductor. At the very beginning of the story, we are told that humans have come to Pandora to mine unobtanium.
Unobtanium is the ultimate superconductor. (The very name, "unobtanium," is a nod to sci-fi afficionados, who coined the word to describe a material with mythical properties.) In Cameron's world, unobtanium can conduct electricity without resistance at room temperature; the best current superconductors work only when the temperature is below minus 200 degrees F. The discovery of unobtanium, which exists only on Pandora, revolutionized technology on Earth, the story goes, and the future human economy is dependent upon it.
On Pandora, however, entire mountains loaded with unobtanium float in the world's massive magnetic field. In a glimpse of how thoroughly Cameron has thought through the science behind his creation, he and his team have written a 380 page "Pandorapedia" that explains (among other things) the tectonics behind how such mountains could form.
Natural Phenomena Inspire Cameron's Visions
In effect, they crumble upward. This happens because Pandora is not a planet but a moon of a gas giant the size of Saturn – the fictional planet Polyphemus. Moons of gas giants are constantly tugged and deformed by the stresses of gravity. One of Jupiter's moons, Io, is pulled so violently by the gravitational forces of both Jupiter and Jupiter's other large moons, that it has ground tides – the ground literally rises and falls like a sea tide on Earth.
On a second moon of Jupiter, Europa, these tidal forces have heated the interior of the moon to the point that part of its crust has melted, creating a sea of liquid water beneath a surface of ice, scientists say. On Cameron's Pandora, those tidal stresses have fractured the landscape, and, in the case of the Hallelujah Mountains, sent it up into the sky. A companion book to the movie explains the larger process: "This ... energy drives continental drift at a much faster rate than on Earth, causing tectonic plates to fracture more extensively because of the increased stress."
Cameron's fascination with the deep sea has already led to one of the most successful films of all time: "Titanic." It appears to have shaped "Avatar," too. The oceans' depths have a curious answer to sunlight, which has never been seen there. It's called bioluminescence – organisms' ability to create their own light. Fireflies are perhaps the most obvious example, but the bioluminescent fish of the deep sea tell a different story – that nature, when deprived of light, sometimes creates its own.
On Pandora, where the nights can be many Earth days long, Cameron has suggested that an entire bioluminescent ecosystem could emerge. This is where Cameron's decision to make Pandora a moon – and not a planet – comes in. Moons, including Earth's, are typically "locked" to their planets, with one side eternally facing the planet and one side eternally facing out into space. What this means is that one day on a moon equals the time it takes to orbit its parent planet – a long time.
To watch the phases of our Moon is actually to watch the lunar day in real time. A full moon is midday for the side of the Moon facing the Earth. A new moon is midnight for the side of the Moon facing the Earth. In other words, a lunar day takes more than 27 Earth days. And that means a very long night.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 04:41:54 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 04:41:54 AM
QuoteThis is in opposition to the starships of Star Trek and Star Wars, which often tend to be 'sexy', sleek to the point of being needlessly aerodynamic in the near vacuum of space.
Oddly enough many Star Wars ships do operate in an atmosphere, and aren't nearly aerodynamic enough to stay aloft. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 05:14:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 05:14:58 AM
I wanna see space-ships of non-Euclidean geometry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 05:17:57 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 05:17:57 AM
Flown by Cthulhu and his evil minions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 06:20:33 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 06:20:33 AM
The U.S.S. Innsmouth?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 08:23:02 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 08:23:02 AM
I used to think non-Euclidean geometry was cool until I realised that a triangle with curved edges, resulting in the total of its angles being something other than 180 degrees, counted.
That's not mind-bending, that's me in pre-school trying to draw basic shapes :(
That's not mind-bending, that's me in pre-school trying to draw basic shapes :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
When did you finally realize you needed a ruler?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 29, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 29, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 04:31:21 AM
Here's this for a start:
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/sciencev.shtml
and some excerpts from it:
(...)
Well, that is a very theoretical BS, and very unrealistic one at that... There is no evidence from which to base that and I would definitely suspect a site linked to the movie...
However, the theories there are too theoretical to be considered realistic... Like I said before, most Sci-fi movies have tech that is an evolution of already established tech at present time... And the science has some link to our present knowledge (at the time of the moviemaking), being a credible, possible evolution of it... LIke I said before...
Now, Star Wars, I admit, is not the best example to show this, with my reference always being 2001...
A planet orbiting a gas giant such as Jupiter would never sustain life as we have seen on AVATAR... Especially bioluminescent FOLIAGE at the surface of the planet, not underwater, where light doesn't reach...
The firefly is the only LIVING creature at the FACE of a LIVABLE planet we KNOW that shows bioluminescence... To have almost the foliage (especially the grass) display that is completely beyond the SOD realm...
There can be theories that say that for every star system we encounter, we MIGHT find one that can bear life... But those are pure conjecture without a shred of proof...
Theoretical physics can prove an elephant can hang from a cliff with his tail tied to a daisy.
That is not science though, just pure conjectures with no shred of science involved...
All the science involved in the physical world of Pandora is pure fantasy, just theoretical, not linked to any REAL science we know FOR SURE... And THAT has to be the starting point for any SCI-FI Movie to be enjoyed and create the SOD: BELIEVABLE, CREDIBLE Science...
There is no REAL basis for the science displayed there, and that is not the root of Science-fiction... IF indeed the entire planet is a superconductor, then there is definitely NO WAY the aircraft could lift off the ground, much less manoeuver... So, even when they think they are being scientific, they're actually ridiculing even more the holes in the movie...
There is no science there at all, just theories... UNproven ones, recent ones, that have not even been tested...
A lot of sci-fi movies have verifiable tech, evolved tech from our time, and even if the starship at the beginning COULD exist ( I don't believe for deep space travelling, externally attached spaceships are believable, unless the speeds they were travelling were very sub-light (5 years is a ridiculous timeframe, script-wise even), the rest is pure make-belief... Even if they stretch the believability boundaries, they remain somewhat attached to the real science we know...
I see a lot of sci.fi movies, and none I enjoyed has make-belief, purely theoretical science... It is not believable a world like Pandora, because we know that with a planet like Jupiter, there is a reason there is no life on its satellites... because of the too strong gravity and the electromagnetism they mentioned...
The need for an atmosphere to sustain lifeTHAT COMPLEX requires way more than thin atmospheres and superconductors... It requires conditions for life to exist, to evolve and to prosper... Alien trees, alien animals WAAAAAAAAAY too similar to Earth ones (rhinos, horses, monkeys, centopeias, etc) and they call this SCIENCE?
To each, their own!
I saw the site, read the theories, most of them... It merely demonstrated that definitely not all theories are credible ( :o) and this article seems to me to have been 'ordered'... :-X In a site attached to the movie, It looks quite suspicious... Need to find confirmastion info in other sites... :-\
The data (if theories can be considered DATA) can be verified, but there is an obvious, intentional, I assume, omission of facts, some I have displayed, that demonstrate that even the theories advanced are fallible and way too theoretical and conjectural to be demonstrative of any plausible reality... Theories are not real, just conjectures of what the real might be...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 02:19:09 PMNeeded a what now? :P
When did you finally realize you needed a ruler?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
I'm sorry but I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
I've looked at a bunch of numerous sites that all say similar things regarding the science of Avatar. That link I posted was simply the one I knew about.
Here's one:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43440
Personally, I think Cameron has thought VERY carefully about all of the science in Avatar.
I think you're forgetting the other word in Sci-Fi and that is FICTION. I think Cameron has intermixed the science with the fiction quite well.
I think Star Wars is a pretty bad example.
Here's this for a link:
http://io9.com/367792/bad-movie-physics-a-report-card
Poor poor Star Wars is pretty bad.
Marking Avatar myself I would at most have 3 crosses against that checklist.
Again - I stand by my claim that Avatar has more science then Star Wars.
I've looked at a bunch of numerous sites that all say similar things regarding the science of Avatar. That link I posted was simply the one I knew about.
Here's one:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43440
Personally, I think Cameron has thought VERY carefully about all of the science in Avatar.
I think you're forgetting the other word in Sci-Fi and that is FICTION. I think Cameron has intermixed the science with the fiction quite well.
I think Star Wars is a pretty bad example.
Here's this for a link:
http://io9.com/367792/bad-movie-physics-a-report-card
Poor poor Star Wars is pretty bad.
Marking Avatar myself I would at most have 3 crosses against that checklist.
Again - I stand by my claim that Avatar has more science then Star Wars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Pro-tip: Never argue with Yutani Ditch, you'll get further with a wall.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 10:47:05 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 10:47:05 PM
QuoteI think Star Wars is a pretty bad example.
Probably the worst example because it's not really science fiction.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Pro-tip: Never argue with Yutani Ditch, you'll get further with a wall.
I'm fast coming to that realisation ;)
QuoteProbably the worst example because it's not really science fiction.
Not to say that there aren't some things in there that might be plausible, but on the whole I agree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Mar 29, 2010, 10:54:54 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 29, 2010, 10:54:54 PM
can we just call it sci-fi fantasy. Its fantasy in a sci-fi setting. there ive solved all the problems. now people can talk about stuff other than avatar. thanks for coming. that is all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:56:44 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:59 PMDid they actually watch 2001? They had people moving plenty fast in zero gravity. And the only "weird depictions to exposure to vacuum" was that Bowman held his breath rather than exhaled.
http://io9.com/367792/bad-movie-physics-a-report-card
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 29, 2010, 10:57:07 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Mar 29, 2010, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Keg on Mar 29, 2010, 10:54:54 PM
can we just call it sci-fi fantasy. Its fantasy in a sci-fi setting. there ive solved all the problems. now people can talk about stuff other than avatar. thanks for coming. that is all.
Pfft, if you think that can work, then you clearly have never visited the Dark Knight thread. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
QuoteDid they actually watch 2001? They had people moving plenty fast in zero gravity.
Frank struggling with his air lines in total silence was creepy as.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 11:04:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 11:04:03 PM
Exactly - Although weirdly they missed out "Sound in space" in the Alien movies.
I also never got "Every planet should have a diverse ecosystem" when you consider seven of the eight in this solar system alone are pretty monotonous - Rock, volatile rock, diverse, rock, gas, gas, gas gas. Such diversity!
I also never got "Every planet should have a diverse ecosystem" when you consider seven of the eight in this solar system alone are pretty monotonous - Rock, volatile rock, diverse, rock, gas, gas, gas gas. Such diversity!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 30, 2010, 01:57:45 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 30, 2010, 01:57:45 AM
Where's your sense of diversity, really SiL...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 02:06:47 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 02:06:47 AM
It's postive discrimination against planets with diverse ecoystems.
Or is it negative discrimination....
I forget.
Or is it negative discrimination....
I forget.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 30, 2010, 02:55:53 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 30, 2010, 02:55:53 AM
to be honest i never even looked at any of the other films in that list - i only looked at Star Wars and the actual categories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 03:02:02 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 03:02:02 AM
And for Apollo 13 getting the physics right, it got other stuff wrong. Mainly on purpose and for dramatic effect - but then Star Wars did exactly the same when it came to physics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 11:30:55 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
Again - I stand by my claim that Avatar has more science then Star Wars.
Hey, stephen, if that was your claim, you should have started from there, buddy!
Actually, I shouldn't have used SW in the first place as an example...The more I recall all the movies, the more I agree that SW is a very bad example to illustrate my points...
Nevertheless, that science is bogus...The Big Bang Theory is a Theory most scientist uphold, but there are those who think the Universe expands and collapses multiple times... So, even that one doesn't gather ALL suport!
A theory is just that: a rationalisation of what might exist or have existed...
I have read all the articles in that site and like I said, the theories can be tracked down, but never proven...
My point is that you need to start from the REAL, from the believable to make a SCI-FI movie...
That is why the SCI-FI doesn't revolve around space, because despite some exceptions, most space sci-fi movies are hypothetical, not really grounded on reality, except in terms of what the tech might be then...However, some movies do try to ground it as much as possible on what exists, to allow for a more envolving SOD...If all you watch onscreen is UN-BELIEVABLE, then the SOD is shattered!
Like I said before, it is hard to watch AVATAR given the past history of Sci-fi and the credibility it so hardly tried to establish with Isaac Asimov and filmmakers like Stanley Kubrick...
AVATAR's science is ENTIRELY in the realm of the UNPROVEN, UNBELIEVABLE and UNREALISTIC...
The animals portrayed there are unrealistic (we all know that evolution doesn't repeat itself, hence why it is called 'EVOLUTION'), the physical forces idem and the tech ibidem...
I don't compare AVATAR with 2001 or even ALIEN, because the feel in those movies, the way they were done and the way they displayed tech and science there could be believable, because of what we knew then and what we know now...
A Xeno could exist, because it is far more believable an alien creature that is all instincts and no brains than a humanoid, language-speaking, crossing between a cat and a human...
The science portrayed in those articles has no fundamentation beyond EARTH, and therefore, no link to SPACE reality... If you tell those theories to anyone else, probably their first reaction would be to dismiss them as they are completely THEORETICAL, with very little connection to the real knowledge we have of the universe now...
There are numerous ridiculous ideas in AVATAR, starting with the 5-year trip which is far too long for the Company to wait before turning Pandora into a parking lot... That is an unrealistic time period, not for space travel, but given the geo-political war scenario already existing on Pandora...
JC may have studied the basics of those theories (as superfically as it seems though) but Astronomy, though most of it is theoretical, does deal with what the astronomers already KNOW EXISTS as the basis for speculation about WHAT EXISTED and about the FUTURE ... AVATAR's science is probably defended by a small niche among Astronomers and astrobiologists and botanists... The Big Bang Theory itself, though consensual among scientists, is still a theory that is based on observation... However, there are inumerous questions whether the was only one Big Bang or several, whether the Universe will expand ad eternum or collapse on itself... Those are all theories that are speculative in nature...For instance, recently, scientists have become puzzled as to why the Universe is expanding faster and faster and they are puzzled as to why, because they think the Universe expansion should be actually reducing its speed, not accelerating it!
By the way, during my research, i came across this hilarious quote from JC: "When they see a Pixar movie, they don't need to know about the hundreds of artists who slaved away at computers for years to make it. It's just: Do I like this story? Do I like the characters? I think Avatar will work that way." :o :P
Ok, another WTF moment for me was the exo-packs, mere breathing masks with the skin in direct contact with the gases...Now, correct me if I am wrong, but our skin breathes too, so in contact with poisonous gases, we most likely would develop skin conditions, even be poisoned sub-cutaneously! :o
I think these quotes actually illustrate it all:
'In February 2010, CNN published an article exploring the "Avatar science" (the technology linking the human mind to a remotely controlled body).
Elizabeth Landau wrote, "Scientists say we are many decades, even centuries, away from making this kind of sophisticated interaction possible, if it can be done at all."
A neuroscientist at the University of Pittsburgh, Andrew Schwartz, further commented that, "[it] shouldn't be taken as anything but fantasy."
Psychiatrist Dr. Stephan Quentzel added that "Virtual life is not real life and it never will be, but this is the pinnacle of what we can build in a virtual presentation so far."
I concur that in sci-fi movies, most of the tech and science is make-belief, but AT THE CORE of most, there is a grasp of the science and tech today and what it can become in the near to far future...
That is the CORE of what I am saying: AVATAR is not sci-fi like I am Robot, or Surogates, or 2001, it is fantasy with sci-fi elements...kinda like STAR WARS, but in CGI...
Though as far as SOD goes, SW is far more 'believable' than AVATAR ever could... At least, there are aliens that are not humanoid (the worm-like Jabba the hut, for instance, or the aliens in the bar on Tatooine, etc) and animals that actually LOOK Alien, not derivations of eartha animals like the horses (they are actually called 'DireHORSES'... ::))
At least, SW actually looks Alien, with their weird-looking species and all... AVATAR is just something a guy high on LSD could cook up!... :P ;D
Also, there is this NBC article about the science in AVATAR:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34515704/ns/technology_and_science-space//
I think that the fundamental aspects of the movie, the Nav'i and the DNA crossing between human DNA and alien (note, not the other way around, with the xenomorph we know being more credible as it mingles its DNA with the hosts in a natural way, not in a lab...) as well as some others do nullify the positives, as if the basics are unreal or 'farfetched', then the rest is too... They never mention the remarkable resemblance between the animals in Pandora and those on Earth, and it even contradicts itself, saying that the six-limbed animals are the result of a higher gravity but at the same time, says that Pandora might have lower gravity on its surface... It also doesn't account for the fact that there is never said that the floating rocks are mostly unobtanium, but even if that was the case, the rock surrounding it would pull it down... Only a 100% unobtanium rock would float like that... And we all know that is not the case...
SO, the science is flawed, though I actually find myself agreeing with the last remark, that JC 'apparently' tred to get the Science right...It is all in he realm of the speculative though...There are no grounds to make a planet like Pandora believable, with all the all-too familiar horses, monkeys, centopeias, etc...) If a human can walk on Pandora, then it can't have a lower gravity pull... So, the six-limbed animals are a blur, evolution-wise... But I actually think a horse or a monkey in an alien planet is already over-stretching the believability of Pandora without the floating rocks and all...
I now see that JC tried to make his fantasy world credible, but IMO (and it seems, in other people's ops as well), the basics are too farfetched, and therefore, so is all the rest... because if the planet's credibility, astronomy-wise, is farfetched, it filters down to the animal life and, specifically, to the nav'i themselves... And if the DNA crossing is unrealistic, then the whole AVATAR program is unrealistic and therefore, and together with the farfetched Nav'i concept, then the whole premise of the movie is farfetched...
And that is why I maintain what I said: there is 2001, and then there is this at the far end of the spectrum...
I sustain that Sci-fi movies are based on the real, on the believable, even in a space setting, and the science (not the tech) is unbelievable... Most of the tech, anyway, is UNORIGINAL (the Matrix APU rip-off is the most visible), LAUGHABLE (the detachable APU knife and weapon, the propeller-oriented aircraft) and DERIVATIVE... Not to mention the WHOLE PREMISE of the movie, which falls flat on its arse...There is a reason the CGI is considered to be 'just another tool in the filmmaker's kit', as John Bruno so rightly said in the AVP featurette, and AVATAR clearly illustrates his point... Without a story to match the visuals, and a believable or SOD-stimulating one at that, both story-wise and in terms of the science involved (to be called sci-fi), this movie is just an animation movie without a story in it...So, basically, with far less worth than the weakest Pixar movie out there...
THAT is the real worth of AVATAR: once the dust settles, people will see it for what it is: mere spectacle only to be watched in theaters, and 3D ones at that...
And to think about the hype this movie actually created in me 2 years ago... I should have known better...
They never meet high expectations... Only if you go there with lower ones, you might be impressed...
I am way too grounded on reality (from the movies I watch to the PC games I play, AVP excepted, of course), even in the sci-fi realm... That is why Harry Potter doesn't interest me, because there's too much fantasy in it)...The LOTR had the 'History before History' feeling and despite the Ogres, the Nazgul beasts, the Orcs (though they could be mutants from a nuclear holocaust-type setting), the medieval feeling to it rang closer to home, a History-enthusiast...
But enough about me... I have said way too much, repeated myself actually, and I can't keep hammering the same piano key...
To me, AVATAR is not a Sci-fi movie, but a fantasy movie with very few, believable (yet unoriginal) sci-fi elements in it...
I often mention that the sole fantastical element in FINAL FANTASY-THE SPIRITS WITHIN was the 'ghosts'... but since many people in the world believe in them (as a side-effect of religious belief, I suppose), we can actually consider this to be believable, right? :P :o :D
;D
PS - Sorry YET AGAIN for ANOTHER long post, guys... It seems I can't write a short one, no matter how hard I try...!
:-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AM
you say
in this case sci-fi describes the setting, and you cannot deny that it is a sci-fi setting, even if it is not a pure blood sci-fi in it's story.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
QuoteTo me, AVATAR is not a Sci-fi movie, but a fantasy movie with very few, believable (yet unoriginal) sci-fi elements in it...i say
QuoteTo me, AVATAR is a sci-fi movie with a few, unbelievable fantastical elements in it...
in this case sci-fi describes the setting, and you cannot deny that it is a sci-fi setting, even if it is not a pure blood sci-fi in it's story.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:42:42 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AMOr HellBoy.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:51:16 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:42:42 AMQuote from: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AMOr HellBoy.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
good point! i was trying really hard to think of one, hellboy is a good example, more so Hellboy 2 though. or another is any contemporary vampire movie where they use technology, like underworld and blade.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
Underworld as far as I know has practically nothing supernatural. it's just a big bad virus origined by a bite from the Corvinus twins which themselves were bit by respectively a bat and a wolf. The bites had different and completely casual aftermaths.
Blade fits more in Sci-Fantasy.
What about Ghostbusters?
Blade fits more in Sci-Fantasy.
What about Ghostbusters?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 12:02:56 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
Underworld as far as I know has practically nothing supernatural. it's just a big bad virus origined by a bite from the Corvinus twins which themselves were bit by respectively a bat and a wolf. The bites had different and completely casual aftermaths.
Blade fits more in Sci-Fantasy.
What about Ghostbusters?
it's still a fantastical virus, and it's more of a justification for vampires existing rather than the writers coming up with the virus and thinking "what could this virus cause? how about things that are basically vampires, we might aswell call them vampires!"
Daybreakers is another one
yeah i think Ghostbusters is another one. since it is a fantastical setting that has ghosts but doesn't disallow the invention of technology to fight them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 12:04:38 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AM
you sayQuoteTo me, AVATAR is not a Sci-fi movie, but a fantasy movie with very few, believable (yet unoriginal) sci-fi elements in it...i sayQuoteTo me, AVATAR is a sci-fi movie with a few, unbelievable fantastical elements in it...
in this case sci-fi describes the setting, and you cannot deny that it is a sci-fi setting, even if it is not a pure blood sci-fi in it's story.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
A completely bogus alien planet is the only thing that connects this to SCI-FI, but to be really considered a Sci-fi movie, it requires a possible or believable setting... Pandora does not...
So, I maintain that AVATAR is 95% fantasy, make-belief with the remainder 5% sci-fi basic elements...And I do mean basic, like 'another planet-check... a spaceship-check... Ok, that's all we need'... Very, very little to be considered a REAL Sci-fi movie... ::)
And it is an Animation movie, not a REAL movie at that!... I don't think a movie done 95% in a computer with a few human inserts qualifies as a Sci-fi movie... In a list of 50 Sci-fi masterpieces, AVATAR would be in the rock bottom... right under the Creature from the Black Lagoon... :P
By the way, can Warner sue Fox for the blatant APU rip-off...? They could sue them for Billions now! :P :o ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 12:04:38 PMQuote from: AvatarIII on Mar 30, 2010, 11:40:46 AM
you sayQuoteTo me, AVATAR is not a Sci-fi movie, but a fantasy movie with very few, believable (yet unoriginal) sci-fi elements in it...i sayQuoteTo me, AVATAR is a sci-fi movie with a few, unbelievable fantastical elements in it...
in this case sci-fi describes the setting, and you cannot deny that it is a sci-fi setting, even if it is not a pure blood sci-fi in it's story.
in my opinion a fantasy movie with sci-fi elements would be more like "super mario bros: the movie"
A completely bogus alien planet is the only thing that connects this to SCI-FI, but to be really considered a Sci-fi movie, it requires a possible or believable setting... Pandora does not...
So, I maintain that AVATAR is 95% fantasy, make-belief with the remainder 5% sci-fi basic elements...And I do mean basic, like 'another planet-check... a spaceship-check... Ok, that's all we need'... Very, very little to be considered a REAL Sci-fi movie... ::)
And it is an Animation movie, not a REAL movie at that!... I don't think a movie done 95% in a computer with a few human inserts qualifies as a Sci-fi movie... In a list of 50 Sci-fi masterpieces, AVATAR would be in the rock bottom... right under the Creature from the Black Lagoon... :P
By the way, can Warner sue Fox for the blatant APU rip-off...? They could sue them for Billions now! :P :o ;D
95% of all sci-fi is unbelievably fantastic, what seperates fantasy from sci-fi is that sci-fi tries to have, or pretends to have, or even just implies that there are explanations for the fantastical elements. science fiction is a very broad genre, and so is fantasy, and there is a crossover, but Avatar is definately towards the sci-fi side
it wouldn't have taken much to push it the other way, for example, if instead of another star system, pandora was another "realm" which they used magic to get to. or even used science to get to, but it was implied that pandora had been prophesised by psychics or something.
you could even say that the whole movie is about SF Vs Fantasy, the humans being SF and the Na'Vi being fantasy. bt even so, the fact that it is told from a SF perspective makes it SF. if the film was told from a Na'Vi perspective throughout, it might even be classed as fantasy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Mar 30, 2010, 02:08:46 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 30, 2010, 02:08:46 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
I'll kill the suspense, it's science fiction.
Aliens - check
Futuristic setting - check
Technology that doesn't exist in todays world - check
Cryo sleep - check
Aliens - check
Futuristic setting - check
Technology that doesn't exist in todays world - check
Cryo sleep - check
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
I'll kill the suspense, it's science fiction.
Aliens - check
Futuristic setting - check
Technology that doesn't exist in todays world - check
Cryo sleep - check
Ok, since nobody really reads what I write and this proves it, I am gonna go somewhere else...
...
OK, here's fine! :P
I told a zillion times that the point is not whether AVATAR has sci-fi elements or not, but that what REALLY defines a GOOD sci-fi to me is the believability of the premise...
A sci-fi movie is not just an inventory check of clichés f the genre...well, that might suffice to newcomers to the genre, but to a more experienced sci-fi fan, clichés don't quite cut it anymore!
ALIEN had far more believability than AVATAR ever could, simply because they had Ash explaining and describing the Allien's morphology and the planet's as well... Those two bits are what a Sci-fi movie is all about: selling the believability of that future...
A sci-fi is usually a metaphor for the problems of the world: in ALIEN, it was the business corporations which became so powerful they could buy governments and do as much they please... Oh, wait, that still happens today, 33 years later... That is a what a good, timeless movie is, it focus on key elements of human life that never become old, like greed, money seeking, power seeking, warmongering, etc...
And what prevents other movies that followed was their ability to show something new, some variable of the premise that still could exist in a near or far future...
AVATAR assumes PAndora is believable, which is not... It assumes the 5-year journey is believable given the tensions that were... So, they send Jake to replace his brother and Grace and the others just waited 5 years waiting for him!!!??? I hardly think so! That was my second WTF moment, right after the ridiculous shot of a Earth-like planet orbiting a gas giant like Jupiter... And more, MANY more would come...
A SF movie can have SOME, MANY, but not ALL its aspects pure fiction, unbelievable stuff...! The science is theoretical AT BEST, seeing none is verifiable... and the one that is real, is just a rip-off of other movies (APU, cryogenics, etc) or purely unbelievable given the forces at hand (aircraft)...
I always think the Xenomorph worked for me in ALIEN because it was so 'out of the box', so original, so 'ALIEN'... The Nav'i and Pandora are presented from a layman's POV: by HUMANISING ALIEN worlds, thinking THAT is what alien planets would look or be like...that is usually the first mistake a poor director does when making a sci.fi movie: the alien is supposed to be 'alien' as in 'otherwordly, out-of-this-world'...
THAT is usually what makes sci-fi movies lose appeal to me: they don't understand that Aliens are supposed to look, feel, BE 'ALIEN'...Ash in the first movie, used scientific jargon to legitimise the creature, and JC never worried about legitimising his 'creatures'...The Xeno's appeal is that it looks so Alien, whether the nav'i and most of the Alien creatures, Nav'i included, just seem to be derivations of Earth ones... And very lazy ones at that...
An alien world would never look like that, especially a moon orbiting a gas giant so close to it... How do I know that? Because we know Jupiter, and we know the moons that orbit Jupiter and the atmospheric conditions of each one of them... Thanks Voyager, wherever you are!
ALIEN sold on various occasions the believability of the premise... THAT is what a SF movie, a GOOD one, is all about...
In that regard, Star Wars ( I know, bear it with me for a sec), at least, had creatures that looked more alien than any of Pandora's... That is how you sell believability in a fantasy-based concept: you make things to look and feel like they could exist, maintianing SOD levels ... If you place a humanoid who has speaks English, behaves like North or South American Indians, and flies dragons on another planet, it looks more like a cartoon than a sci-fi movie to me...
So,yes, if you simplify things, it has some Sci-fi elements in it, but to be a Sci-fi masterpiece, the SOD is required... And THAT is one of the reasons even today 2001 is a Space Sci-fi masterpiece, or Alien, and many others... Because they are presented as being possible to exist, and the best way to sell them is to show how science COULD explain them... REAL, verifiable science, not HOCUS-POCUS one...which Pandora is wreaked with... Trees of Souls, bio-links on their hair ( :o)... I could grasp one or two of these or all of them intertwined with real, credible or possible evolution of the science we know today, but there is only the clichéd cryo, the holographic, Minority Report-ripoff tech, the Matrix revolutions-ripoff APUs, the all-too human horses, rhinos, monkeys, dogs, etc... In a word, for each credible tech, there are five or more unbelievable ones... All throughout the movie...
I often joke that the longer a SF movie can withstand close scrutinity, the better it is... And the one that has fewer mistakes or mistakes only a very trained or mistake-seeking viewer would detect... There are mistakes that are blunt, others far more subtle, and the movie that has more subtle ones that visible ones, is the best... Actually, I often think that the more involving a movie is, the better impact it has... A SF movie that has this kind of impact on me is the one that you really have to look for the mistakes, not the ones whose mistakes jump in your face... AVATAR clearly belongs to the latter...
So, First Blood, inventory check of SF clichés is not how I would describe a SF movie... It has to present a novelty approach to how we perceive the future, scientific, technological, political, etc...
That is what distinguishes the good SF movies from the average to poor ones...
The reason the story in AVATAR is deemed cliché is because the visuals are not accompanied by a story that is novel, good or simply captivating...
Without the visuals, AVATAR would be a B-series SF movie like Creature of the Black Lagoon... And I do mean a movie like that by today's standards! The story is derivative, the science and tech are not believable for the most part, and the basic science, the one that motivates and around which the entire story revolves, is considered by specialists to be 'farfetched', or 'unrealistic', namely the DNA crossing between human and alien, alleging what I said before, that it is folly to believe an alien lifeform would in any way resemble ours, especially at DNA level... or the mind transference again betwen a human and an alien body... That is what I call 'SOD destroyers' as they shatter any possibility for the story to be believable to happen in a hypothetical future...
Don't just take my word for granted, check the specialists in the MSNBC article or the Wikipedia entry below, where several experts talk about the unrealism of AVATAR's story core assumptions that will enable the story to take place at all: mind transfer and human-alien DNA crossing (Note: in the 'Reception' bit at the end of the entry):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_universe_of_Avatar
Don't just take my word of it! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 30, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Mar 30, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
*eyes pistol in desk drawer*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 30, 2010, 04:58:57 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Mar 30, 2010, 04:58:57 PM
Me first!
*BANG!*
X_X
*BANG!*
X_X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Good Christ Yutan!
*takes pistol from Purebreedalien's cold dead fingers*
BANG!
*takes pistol from Purebreedalien's cold dead fingers*
BANG!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Good Christ Yutan!
*takes pistol from Purebreedalien's cold dead fingers*
BANG!
Oh, cripes! NOT ANOTHER ONE! DON'T DO IT! Hey, Predators is coming next Summer! Isn't that a reason to live?! ... First Blood? ... First Blood, can you hear me?! :'(
Darn it, one of these days, I will be dubbed 'The AVPG killer', no doubt! :o :P
Weapon of choice? Overlong posts! Yeap, that's the electric chair, alright, kiddo! :o
:-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
QuoteAVATAR would be a B-series SF movie like Creature of the Black Lagoon...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Creature of the Black Lagoon a B-series film? >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 07:51:56 PM
Post by: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 05:42:05 PMQuote from: First Blood on Mar 30, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Good Christ Yutan!
*takes pistol from Purebreedalien's cold dead fingers*
BANG!
Oh, cripes! NOT ANOTHER ONE! DON'T DO IT! Hey, Predators is coming next Summer! Isn't that a reason to live?! ... First Blood? ... First Blood, can you hear me?! :'(
Darn it, one of these days, I will be dubbed 'The AVPG killer', no doubt! :o :P
Weapon of choice? Overlong posts! Yeap, that's the electric chair, alright, kiddo! :o
:-X
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvgasm.com%2Fnewsgasm%2Fimages%2Fa%2520mind%2520is%2520a%2520terrible%2520thing%2Frambo3.jpg&hash=d26a95be6f91cfe10cec2a0f1a221bc413a68b4d)
"It's over Yutani..."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 31, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 31, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 30, 2010, 11:30:55 AMQuote from: stephen on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
Again - I stand by my claim that Avatar has more science then Star Wars.
Hey, stephen, if that was your claim, you should have started from there, buddy!
Ahhhhh well, I did. In fact I'll quote myself:
QuoteBut seriously, in terms of the SCIENCE in the science fiction - Avatar is way more believable then Star Wars - by a long long way.
You even asked me to elaborate on that.
And further down you say that people don't read your posts. Hmpf.
You were the one that brought up star wars. You were the one that claimed Star Wars had more Science in it then Avatar.
I've provided links to show that Avatar in fact does have a lot of science in it but you refuse to accept it.
I'm not saying its perfect, and I'm not saying that there isn't anything better out there, i'm just saying that you spouting off saying that Avatar has about 5% science in it is absolutely ridiculous.
Oh and since you're so fond of Asimov here's a few quotes by him in response to some of the things you've said:
"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."
"It [science fiction] is untrustworthy as a source of "facts," since these may be wrong, or at least out of date. There is nothing wrong, however, with science fiction as a way of arousing interest in science...it doesn't matter whether the scientific background of a science fiction story is accidentally wrong through ignorance, deliberately wrong through the exigencies of the plot, or simply out-of-date through the progress of science. If the story is interesting, it can be used...that's the educational value of science fiction; that is what makes it a learning device. It stimulates curiosity and the desire to know."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Mar 31, 2010, 03:23:37 AM
Post by: First Blood on Mar 31, 2010, 03:23:37 AM
Star Wars falls into the sub-genre of Science Fiction.
Space Opera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera
Space Opera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 03:25:45 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 03:25:45 AM
Been saying that for a few pages now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 11:29:49 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Mar 31, 2010, 03:23:37 AM
Star Wars falls into the sub-genre of Science Fiction.
Space Opera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera
I said so too myself... way back, when I teased 'space (soap) opera'...Cant remember in which post, though... ;)
Now, to answer Stephen's remarks ;):
Well, Asimov said 'if the story is interesting...' ... OOPS! AVATAR is off that category, it seems... :P
Now, as in serious, the creationist bit is actually some scientists' Achilles heel... They are scientists, yet they still believe in GOD...talk about incoherence there... A scientist shouldn't believe what he can't create or recreate in a lab experiment... 'BELIEF' implies a subjective reasoning, and as so, arguable...
Now, some scientists DO cook up theories like in drunk frenzy... and then try to prove their insane claims adapting the study object to their pre-conceptions...
Asimov clearly said that SF is not a source of facts but then I said so as well when I said it starts from the real and predicts or envisions what the future might be... not that it is real, a source of facts...
Well, Asimov says that the story is more important than the credibility of the facts...Well, when AVATAR's story is so weak, all that is left IS the science and the tech...! Ok, the visuals as well! :P
And I have proven your sites and the theories there are conjectural, not credible AT ALL with OTHER sites and OTHER ops from distinguished scholar and scientists... If you bothered to read them, that is... Astronomy is conjectural at base, but there are things that through observation can be deduced... Now, the theories in those sites are pure speculation without amny real credibility, and I have shown those theories conflict with various scientists, so that is not observational science, just speculation science... I don't know about you, but I am gonna stick with the first...
I said that theories can show up like mushrooms without any shred of credibility or proof... I could make a lot of theories of my own, doesn't make them any credible if not proven...
ALL the science that can be believable in AVATAR is cliché, like the APUs, the Minority Report portable data pads, the holographihc tech I have seen way too many times before...
So, there is no ORIGINAL tech there, only lazy ripoffs (not just borrowed, since JC didn't even bother to change it much to make it his own) and clichés throughout... Everyone who is not a fan can see that actually...
Also, between 'more science' and 'more believable' there are nuances... Quoting your quotes of Isaac Asimov there:
"it doesn't matter whether the scientific background of a science fiction story is accidentally wrong through ignorance, deliberately wrong through the exigencies of the plot, or simply out-of-date through the progress of science. If the story is interesting, it can be used..."
So, science in SF can be a projection of what science MIGHT be in the future, but it is not science still, hence, not believable as a fact, only as a projection of what may become... The Pulse Rifle , though using some tech that exists today (caseless rounds), doesn't 'exist' really...
'Having more science' and 'being more believable' are not necessarily the same thing... Asimov said so himself above and you are defending AVATAR's science as 'real science', so the credibility of your argument ends there...The science can be unrealistic, for the sake of the story, as it was clearly in AVATAR, so how can it be more believable? Don't mistake 'conjectures, theories' for REAL science'...Science presents results, not mere conjectures... Until any of that crap is actually proved, they are worthless, just unverified suppositions...
An Alien world would still be bound by the same rules of the Universe...I have quoted some speciallists that clearly say that the supposedly believable tech in AVATAR, the DNA-crossing and the Mind transfer are bogus and if that is so, then the whole movie crumbles down, because jake cannot be in Pandora then and so he can't inhabit the Nav'i body...easy Math to me...
Also, what you said about me, which was wrong, as I finished showing you, can apply to you... I retracted myself in a couple of posts before, so that proves you really don't read the posts! Again! And if you don't read them,... well, you draw your own conclusions...!
Don't get angry at me for showing you that the sites you put forth are arguable in terms of science and in terms of locality... I don't think a site linked to the movie would place the MSNBC article next to it to show different takes on the credibility of the movie's science... It would not be good publicity...
So, as a word of advice, instead of just getting one source, get two, three would be the charm... If the science is debatable, then it is not science... Hence why the Big Bang theory was adopted and the others dropped... Not only some aspects of it were proven...There can only be one theory... a contradicting one, if is not valid or commonly accepted, is dropped...
The science in that site is reaching for the mere fact that it is explaining how AVATAR may be scientifically sound, and that is wrong, because the movie has to start from science, not use it to justify itself...That usual, though transparent, argumentative ploy is used to justify, not to explain...he never explains how it could happen and most of the time, he is saying that life as we know it on Earth could extrapolate to alien worlds, and THAT was clearly contradicted by the scientists I quoted saying that it is a mistake to associate our earth perception and earth animal life to other planets... As we all know, evolution, according to Darwin, comes from a species adapting to the environment, as it was with us... So, to use horses, monkeys and rhinos, dogs, just show how ridiculously unbelievable and lazy that science is... Actually, when you want to give credibility to the science in yuor movie, you have to finish what you started... If some things are believable and many others are not, the credibility unbalances to the unbelievable and therefore, you don't see it anymore as science, but as fantasy...
I believe much more in alien-looking aliens, or warpspace ships, or starships, or planets like Lv-426 that can have breathable atmospheres artificially, than a world like PANDORA...which actually doesn't look alien to me at all, with green foliage, grass, wood, water...
People often forget that there are universal, basic laws of physics, chemical and biological at work... the laws of gravity, for instance... The basic requirements for life, animal and plant life, to exist on a planet...
humanoid, talking aliens... BUt i think once you rule out the credibility of the DNA crossing and the mind transfer tech, you don't have much to hang on to...And I tend to trust scientists with common sense...Not all scientists are too be taken seriously... especially those that waste their time in SETI... I understand that the ppossibility shold be verified, but the probability of finding alien radio signals is very remote, especially given the distances to travel between star systems...Assuming their tech is more advanced or as advanced as ours... Carl Sagan made a avery good case of this in one of his last books 'The pale Blue Dot' I recommend reading... We only have major breakthroughs in our science over the last 150 years... That is a tiny spec in the life of the homo sapiens species...
Now, we have to assume that the species is evolved enough to capture radio signals, interpret them, and either have the knowledge and tech to search for its source, motivations for discovering it's source (it might have other priorities or not be interested at all)... So, the problem is not just to bump into radio signals coming from another world, it is the information we have about our own evolution as a species, the evolution of life and how it showed up on our planet...namely, a lot of variables, some very complex and others very singular...
Even if we could go to other planets, they would never look like Pandora because, well, the odds of finding a planet with lucious forests, water and whatever is very, very low... practically non-existent...
Like I said, if you know the events and factors that enabled life on our planet, you know how unrealistic Pandora would be... For that matter, the forests in Predators do look too Earthly to me... And are not fluorescent/bioluminescent either... :P
I guess it all sums up to who is a fan and who isn't: I am not, so I seek info explaining and/or meeting the reasons that made me dislike the movie, and the fans seek info that meets their reasons for liking the movie... It also comes down to subjective inputs when watching the movie: to me, it was too farfetched and lazily clichéd to make it enjoyable... To people who enjoyed it, it can spur the need to defend it... It all comes down to the amount of information both have...And how they use it...!
<--- ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 11:33:56 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 11:33:56 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 11:29:49 AMThe two things aren't impossible to be together.
They are scientists, yet they still believe in GOD...talk about incoherence there... A scientist shouldn't believe what he can't create or recreate in a lab experiment...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Mar 31, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 31, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
There are plenty of scientists who believe in God.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 12:20:10 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 11:33:56 AMQuote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 11:29:49 AMThe two things aren't impossible to be together.
They are scientists, yet they still believe in GOD...talk about incoherence there... A scientist shouldn't believe what he can't create or recreate in a lab experiment...
Are you sure about that? Does GOD really exist? Or is it just a figment of a collective imagination? :P
You either KNOW how life showed up, or you BELIEVE... KNOW and BELIEF, RELIGIOUS belief, is not fact, nor fact-finding... Coherence dictates you employ rational means to WHATEVER enterprise of an experimental nature you come across... You can't have both...
If you can PROVE God exists in an empyrical, factual way, is one thing... To believe something exists on word of say, that is another completely different and antagonistic...
You can't say you're smart and then do dumb things...Smarts imply rational approach methodology to whatever situation that requires a response...
Intelligence means the adequate employment of info gathered to whatever situation we come across...
It is a LMO (Life modus operandi) that cannot lax nor be flexible... otherwise, you're incoherent...
A scientist that believes in Science, the rational understanding of the world and universe, cannot also believe in human creations of metaphysical nature... because if you believe we are random creations of the physical and chemical forces at constant work in the Universe, you cannot ASSUME (pretty big mistake by a 'science officer'...) there is an entity operating things from behind the cosmological curtains...
I often compare RELIGION to ASTROLOGY... People believe what they WANT to believe... Doesn't make it REAL though... Not at all!
Scientists, true 'believers' in Science as the rational, proved way to reach knowledge, cannot then contradict themselves saying that despite what they know about the Universe, still cling to the notion of a construct to appease their IRRATIONAL fear of death and unknown...
But that is a theological discussion that is moot as well... RELIGION clashes with SCIENCE for a multitude of reasons, being the biggest the theat Science poses to Religious dogma... That and the excesses from the church over the centuries... The latest being the pedophilia cases...
Yo can believe a God exist and give all reasons for that belief, but I can assure you none will be FACTUAL, PROVED...
Same with Sci-fi... One of the things I loved about AVP was the Chariots of the Gods' notion of our god or gods actually being Aliens manipulating us for their own amusement... Now, that could be believable...and funny as hell!
Ignorance is the field where Religion thrives! The more educated we get, the less impact religion has in our lives, unless we are facing death, because of our irrational fear of dying!
This is a fascinating subject for some other time, though, Sil, Omega... :-X ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 12:25:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 12:25:12 PM
I won't get into Religious discussion.
I'm only saying that it isn't forbidden to be religious when you are a scientist.
I'm only saying that it isn't forbidden to be religious when you are a scientist.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 31, 2010, 12:29:34 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 31, 2010, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 12:25:12 PM
I won't get into Religious discussion.
I'm only saying that it isn't forbidden to be religious when you are a scientist.
that's true
there are many scientists in the world studying things like intelligent design, and many famous scientists of history have been religious
Galileo, Coporncus, Newton, Darwin, Einstein etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 31, 2010, 12:29:34 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 12:25:12 PM
I won't get into Religious discussion.
I'm only saying that it isn't forbidden to be religious when you are a scientist.
that's true
there are many scientists in the world studying things like intelligent design, and many famous scientists of history have been religious
Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Darwin, Einstein etc.
Yes, there are...SETI, for instance... Still, consider the times and the weight Church had then...
A culturally-induced religious mentality is not alien, actually that is how we spent 1000 years in obscuratism until the Renaissance... the Dark Ages, Middle Age...
Religion will be there always wherever and whenever the fear of dying exists! Without the knowledge of what happens when we 'switch' off, a very fallible, human perspective of the reality, people create notions like soul and body, paradise, hell, resurrection, all because we are a very arrogant, vane species!
HUmans have an irrational fear of the unknown and have to have idols, entities or people to look up to! God is no different! A creation that is said to be immaterial does avoid any kind of scrutinity, doesn't it?
We actually make the fallacy to believe that the Universe cannot have order by fluke, having to have an intelligent entity pulling the strings to MAKE SENSE...
I can accept that at a time knowledge about the Universe and our role in it was still scarce, like in Copernicus, Galileu, Darwin, Einstein's time...
Why do you think the INQUISITION hunted down Galileu or Copernicus? Because his ideas threatened the Church's grasp of humanity!
And once science developed, the Church became less and less... Why do you think that happened? because Knowledge is power and the Church's maintenance of humanity's ignorance, by controlling what they could read and say, shows that Religion has feet of clay indeed and they were fully aware of that!
There are things we don't question because they are culturally imbued in us from childhood...
Like a lobotomy would... you don't question things unless you WANT to...
Questioning things advances knowledge, but can cause you problems...
If Galileu lived today, with the advances in Astronomy, The Hubble, etc... he would probably be atheistic or agnostic...
Religion is culturally-induced from childhood, and we all know it... And is an easy way to deal with things we don't know... But take it for TRUE or REAL is a big stretch...
Hence how easily zealots, fanatics show up! Because people lile routine and being comfortable, not being struck at the core of their 'beliefs'!
Science does that not on purpose, but as a side effect...
IT is, however, proof of incoherence... You cannot have the information NOW and still cling to constructs of a collective, culturally-induced mind...
That can so easily result in zealotry, bigotry and fanaticism...!
The ability ot question things, to find knowledge is our biggest triumph... Religion does trump that, preventing us from evolving faster and consequently, preventing Science's breakthroughs to be more rapidly absorbed...
That is the story of mankind: Religion keeps pulling people back and Science pushing them forward... No wonder, we are moving so slowly... :P ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Why I suddenly want to perform Harakiri?
Why? :'(
Why? :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 31, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Mar 31, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Stop.
Writing.
Uberlong.
Posts.
Kthx.
Writing.
Uberlong.
Posts.
Kthx.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 03:18:33 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Why I suddenly want to perform Harakiri?
Why? :'(
Et tu, Omega? Well, talk about audiences fleeing! :P
I better shut up then, otherwise the mods will eat me alive!
:P :-[ :-\
I better get back to work! (fleeing the scene) :-X ;D
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 31, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Stop.
Writing.
Uberlong.
Posts.
Kthx.
(Going back. Reading telegram)
Message received.
Message sent back: Stop.Teasing.Me.Then. :P ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 08:09:44 PM
Post by: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 08:09:44 PM
Quotethere are many scientists in the world studying things like intelligent design
But intelligent design is not science. It's creationism trying to pass as a serious hypothesis. And it fails miserably at that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 31, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Mar 31, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 08:09:44 PMQuotethere are many scientists in the world studying things like intelligent design
But intelligent design is not science. It's creationism trying to pass as a serious hypothesis. And it fails miserably at that.
just because ID is bad science doesn't stop the people studying it thinking that they are good scientists, who have phds etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
Post by: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
How can one study something which doesn't even exist? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Navaha on Mar 31, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
Post by: Navaha on Mar 31, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Why I suddenly want to perform Harakiri?
Why? :'(
Because arguing with Yutani is like arguing with a brick wall. He is completely immune to other people's arguments, even when they're logical.
It also doesn't help that he went on a huge rant about religion. I don't care what you personally believe, it's not okay to belittle the beliefs of others.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Except Scientologists.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 31, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Mar 31, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
This is unbelievable. Pretty much everyone is against Yutani, and he still doesn't get it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Mar 31, 2010, 11:55:31 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 31, 2010, 11:55:31 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Mar 31, 2010, 11:29:49 AM
Now, to answer Stephen's remarks ;):
But you convieniently skip over the first part of my post where I backed up my claim as to when I stated that Avatar has way more science then Star Wars.
QuoteWell, Asimov said 'if the story is interesting...' ... OOPS! AVATAR is off that category, it seems... :P
In your opinion only. The fact that this movie did so f**king well would oppose that comment.
In fact I think this is the true heart of the picture here. You just don't like the movie and you're therefore just outright attacking it.
QuoteNow, as in serious, the creationist bit is actually some scientists' Achilles heel... They are scientists, yet they still believe in GOD...talk about incoherence there... A scientist shouldn't believe what he can't create or recreate in a lab experiment... 'BELIEF' implies a subjective reasoning, and as so, arguable...
Now, some scientists DO cook up theories like in drunk frenzy... and then try to prove their insane claims adapting the study object to their pre-conceptions...
You've completely missed the point of that quote and that it is not about creationists at all but about THEORIES. Replace creationists with People. Asimov is saying that theories are usually based on current knowledge. They aren't just made willy nilly.
QuoteWell, Asimov says that the story is more important than the credibility of the facts...Well, when AVATAR's story is so weak, all that is left IS the science and the tech...! Ok, the visuals as well! :P
Again - in your opinion. The fact that the movie was so successful just trumps your comment.
QuoteAnd I have proven your sites and the theories there are conjectural, not credible AT ALL with OTHER sites and OTHER ops from distinguished scholar and scientists... If you bothered to read them, that is... Astronomy is conjectural at base, but there are things that through observation can be deduced... Now, the theories in those sites are pure speculation without amny real credibility, and I have shown those theories conflict with various scientists, so that is not observational science, just speculation science... I don't know about you, but I am gonna stick with the first...
I said that theories can show up like mushrooms without any shred of credibility or proof... I could make a lot of theories of my own, doesn't make them any credible if not proven...
ALL the science that can be believable in AVATAR is cliché, like the APUs, the Minority Report portable data pads, the holographihc tech I have seen way too many times before...
So, there is no ORIGINAL tech there, only lazy ripoffs (not just borrowed, since JC didn't even bother to change it much to make it his own) and clichés throughout... Everyone who is not a fan can see that actually...
Also, between 'more science' and 'more believable' there are nuances... Quoting your quotes of Isaac Asimov there:
"it doesn't matter whether the scientific background of a science fiction story is accidentally wrong through ignorance, deliberately wrong through the exigencies of the plot, or simply out-of-date through the progress of science. If the story is interesting, it can be used..."
So, science in SF can be a projection of what science MIGHT be in the future, but it is not science still, hence, not believable as a fact, only as a projection of what may become... The Pulse Rifle , though using some tech that exists today (caseless rounds), doesn't 'exist' really...
'Having more science' and 'being more believable' are not necessarily the same thing... Asimov said so himself above and you are defending AVATAR's science as 'real science', so the credibility of your argument ends there...
I'm not defending it as real science. I'm defending it in terms of believability and theories as opposed to star wars.
QuoteThe science can be unrealistic, for the sake of the story, as it was clearly in AVATAR, so how can it be more believable? Don't mistake 'conjectures, theories' for REAL science'...Science presents results, not mere conjectures... Until any of that crap is actually proved, they are worthless, just unverified suppositions...
An Alien world would still be bound by the same rules of the Universe...I have quoted some speciallists that clearly say that the supposedly believable tech in AVATAR, the DNA-crossing and the Mind transfer are bogus and if that is so, then the whole movie crumbles down, because jake cannot be in Pandora then and so he can't inhabit the Nav'i body...easy Math to me...
Also, what you said about me, which was wrong, as I finished showing you, can apply to you... I retracted myself in a couple of posts before, so that proves you really don't read the posts! Again! And if you don't read them,... well, you draw your own conclusions...!
You're right, I don't read them all - because they're so f**king long and I don't have all f**king day.
QuoteDon't get angry at me for showing you that the sites you put forth are arguable in terms of science and in terms of locality... I don't think a site linked to the movie would place the MSNBC article next to it to show different takes on the credibility of the movie's science... It would not be good publicity...
I've linked to a site not associated with any fan site of the movie. Google Science of Avatar and have a look for yourself.
QuoteSo, as a word of advice, instead of just getting one source, get two, three would be the charm... If the science is debatable, then it is not science... Hence why the Big Bang theory was adopted and the others dropped... Not only some aspects of it were proven...There can only be one theory... a contradicting one, if is not valid or commonly accepted, is dropped...
The science in that site is reaching for the mere fact that it is explaining how AVATAR may be scientifically sound, and that is wrong, because the movie has to start from science, not use it to justify itself...That usual, though transparent, argumentative ploy is used to justify, not to explain...he never explains how it could happen and most of the time, he is saying that life as we know it on Earth could extrapolate to alien worlds, and THAT was clearly contradicted by the scientists I quoted saying that it is a mistake to associate our earth perception and earth animal life to other planets... As we all know, evolution, according to Darwin, comes from a species adapting to the environment, as it was with us... So, to use horses, monkeys and rhinos, dogs, just show how ridiculously unbelievable and lazy that science is... Actually, when you want to give credibility to the science in yuor movie, you have to finish what you started... If some things are believable and many others are not, the credibility unbalances to the unbelievable and therefore, you don't see it anymore as science, but as fantasy...
I believe much more in alien-looking aliens, or warpspace ships, or starships, or planets like Lv-426 that can have breathable atmospheres artificially, than a world like PANDORA...which actually doesn't look alien to me at all, with green foliage, grass, wood, water...
People often forget that there are universal, basic laws of physics, chemical and biological at work... the laws of gravity, for instance... The basic requirements for life, animal and plant life, to exist on a planet...
humanoid, talking aliens... BUt i think once you rule out the credibility of the DNA crossing and the mind transfer tech, you don't have much to hang on to...And I tend to trust scientists with common sense...Not all scientists are too be taken seriously... especially those that waste their time in SETI... I understand that the ppossibility shold be verified, but the probability of finding alien radio signals is very remote, especially given the distances to travel between star systems...Assuming their tech is more advanced or as advanced as ours... Carl Sagan made a avery good case of this in one of his last books 'The pale Blue Dot' I recommend reading... We only have major breakthroughs in our science over the last 150 years... That is a tiny spec in the life of the homo sapiens species...
Now, we have to assume that the species is evolved enough to capture radio signals, interpret them, and either have the knowledge and tech to search for its source, motivations for discovering it's source (it might have other priorities or not be interested at all)... So, the problem is not just to bump into radio signals coming from another world, it is the information we have about our own evolution as a species, the evolution of life and how it showed up on our planet...namely, a lot of variables, some very complex and others very singular...
Even if we could go to other planets, they would never look like Pandora because, well, the odds of finding a planet with lucious forests, water and whatever is very, very low... practically non-existent...
Like I said, if you know the events and factors that enabled life on our planet, you know how unrealistic Pandora would be... For that matter, the forests in Predators do look too Earthly to me... And are not fluorescent/bioluminescent either... :P
I guess it all sums up to who is a fan and who isn't: I am not, so I seek info explaining and/or meeting the reasons that made me dislike the movie, and the fans seek info that meets their reasons for liking the movie... It also comes down to subjective inputs when watching the movie: to me, it was too farfetched and lazily clichéd to make it enjoyable... To people who enjoyed it, it can spur the need to defend it... It all comes down to the amount of information both have...And how they use it...!
<--- ;)
For the record I didn't read half of this post for the reason I stated above.
I'm finished. I think the science in Avatar is fine. I think it is at least believable enough not to get in the way of the story. I'm not saying that I think the science is perfect and I'm not saying that there aren't problems, i'm just saying that it is believable enough to not get in the way of the story.
I think Cameron did a hell of a lot better then you think but I also think that Cameron was interested in telling a story and making a movie so liberties were taken. To say that Cameron was "lazy" or to say that he didn't try says to me that you have no idea who Cameron really is.
I think also that there is a difference in the kinds of films you're talking about. It all depends on the kind of film you want to make I suppose. If you want to make a truely hard science fiction kind of film where the science is paramount then i suppose you'd do a shitload of research to make sure you get it right.
However if you want to make a sci-fi movie where the sciencey stuff is really cool but you don't want to have it get in the way of the story well then you might just try for "believable".
Fact is, you don't really know what was going through Cameron's head as he wrote it, as he filmed it etc. i don't know why cameron decided to do one thing when he could have done something else. In making the film, there's a shitload more reasons why something was done one way instead of just the "Science"
Don't forget in sci-fi - theres another word - fiction.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2010, 12:06:39 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2010, 12:06:39 AM
Long ass posts at 20 paces...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2010, 12:35:06 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2010, 12:35:06 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 31, 2010, 11:55:31 PMMORE WALL OF TEXT!!!
a challenger appears
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Apr 01, 2010, 12:38:16 AM
Post by: stephen on Apr 01, 2010, 12:38:16 AM
Hell no - doesn't count when i just quote him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 01, 2010, 12:44:11 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 01, 2010, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: stephen on Apr 01, 2010, 12:38:16 AM
Hell no - doesn't count when i just quote him.
Must.Resist.Temptation...
Ah, hell: Well, Stephen, your first remark proves yuo didn't read the post, so why should I argue with someone who reads only what he wants and dismisses what he doesn't? Very hard to have a credible, constructive dialogue with someone on those terms...
And I am not a brick wall: the site you linked to IS a fan site...read the title of it... someone who does a site all about the 'GOOD' science of AVATAR IS a fan...don't be naive...
I listen to whatever anyone says, but I am entitled to opinate my disagreement... Aren't I?
And stephen, you are entitled to do so as well... Don't feel threatened by a fellow poster's views... I am not here to convert anyone! :P ;)
Quote from: Sylizar on Mar 31, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
This is unbelievable. Pretty much everyone is against Yutani, and he still doesn't get it.
Never been worried about that before...why should I be worried now? ;) There is a saying that says that if people are rising against you, you know you are doing something right!
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 31, 2010, 09:19:01 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Why I suddenly want to perform Harakiri?
Why? :'(
Because arguing with Yutani is like arguing with a brick wall. He is completely immune to other people's arguments, even when they're logical.
It also doesn't help that he went on a huge rant about religion. I don't care what you personally believe, it's not okay to belittle the beliefs of others.
Why not, you belittle mine...! :P
Now, seriously though, since you say (erroneously) that I skip your remarks whenever I please, (read my post again and you'll see I actually don't)...
Ok, so point nº 1: I could say the same thing about you, Omega... 'Don't throw stones if you have glass ceilings'... or something like that... 'those without sin may throw the first stone' (the biblical reference, by the way)...
I apologise, though, for the impact my atheistic views might have had, but as religion is a matter of faith, Science is about 'fact-finding and experimentation'... The two couldn't be more antagonistic...
If you choose one and you decide to be coherent about it, then clashes will inevitably occur...
There are a lot of things scientists know now, but what they still fail to know may motivate the maintenance of the belief in God as well... There are a lot of reasons scientists might believe in God: the fact that some science is still theoretical, the comfort of thinking their loved ones that have passed away are beyond pain, in an ethereal paradise, and so will they if they lead a virtuous and God-fearing life or that wrongdoers are punished with pain and suffering, and etc. ...
I can relate to all that actually: It is nice to think that our passed loved ones are in a place where they are happy, free from pain and sorrow, happy! Actually, for me, death is already a release from all sorts of pain, emotional, physical,...
So, I don't mean to INTENTIONALLY belittle those who believe in God, so there is no reason to feel threatened by it!
We are just talking... Even if what I say may show disregard for people of belief, that is not to say that I don't respect them in every other area! Religion is good if it motivates people to DO Good deeds to their fellow men! I was talking about my thoughts about the actual existence of God...If you take a good look around, it might be difficult to find Him, wth all the crimes agianst children and women and innocent people, just because of the color of their skin, the fact that they are poor or the fact that they believe in God their own way!
Like I said, belittling people is what humanity does best! So, my belittling religion conceptually, unintentional as it is, does not mean I belittle the people who believe in it... People's worth exceeds far beyond that...! ;)
As long as religion builds their character and motivates them to help their fellow men, I don't mind!
Using religion to justify violence, though, that is really what belittles them, not this! People who don't practice what they preach, belittles them! people who are only religious in terms of rituals, and not deeds, that belittles them!
So, relax, there are better and bigger fish to fry than my humble views on religion...on the existence of God, actually...! ;)
Going back to AVATAR, and speaking of religion, I just came across a funny site about the Vatican's imputs regarding the movie:
http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Vatican-Avatar-Worships-Nature-Not-God/30769.html
I particularly liked these remarks:
"If there's one thing The Vatican knows, it's movies."
" (...) the leaders of the Catholic Church have decided it's nothing more than an unoriginal approach to an old message."
"In three articles in its Sunday edition, L'Osservatore, The Vatican newspaper, said the film "gets bogged down by a spiritualism linked to the worship of nature."
"Still, The Vatican was more than dissappointed. "So much stupefying, enchanting technology," said L'Osservatore Romano, "but few genuine emotions."
So, even the Vatican thinks the movie is 'cold'... :P
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 01, 2010, 01:29:02 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 01, 2010, 01:29:02 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
The Vatican has legal problems up their ass again for molesting little boys. Not sure how well they'd fare in the movie knowledge department.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 01, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 01, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
The Vatican has legal problems up their ass again for molesting little boys. Not sure how well they'd fare in the movie knowledge department.
Well, on their behalf, they didn't say anything about AVATAR we didn't know already! Still, I acknowledged their 'troubles of late' as well, and what arouse my interest was what the Catholic church would say about AVATAR's 'Nature God'...Now, we know...!
The legal issues are another matter...And the Vatican is guilty of covering them up, or really making a pitiful attempt at that, whne they should have expelled, even excomunnicated the clergy men who perform such acts, not just transfering them from parish to parish, so that they could do them all over again!
The church is completely detached from real life, real issues, real solutions! Those men are sick people who should be treated, not allowed to do their 'thing' somewhere else, with innocent children...
So, there is GOD and then there's the church, an institution that is morally corrupt to the core, and the latest batch of crimes and the subsequent cover-up just prove that there is no shame living there!
Still, they can be movie critics, or so the article says right at the top, in the very first sentence...! Now, what the author really meant by that or whether he was just being sarcastic, I do not know!
But they sure nailed it, though! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 01, 2010, 05:57:36 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 01, 2010, 05:57:36 PM
How in the hell did this go from arguing (pointlessy) about wether you can call Avatar Sci-Fi to the bloody Vatican?
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 01, 2010, 06:07:04 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 01, 2010, 06:07:04 PM
Keg you're right, It's incredbile how we can pass from talking about Floating Mountains to Religious belief. The "magic" of discussion! ;D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 01, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
Post by: Puks on Apr 01, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
Screw the Vatican.
Even if Avatar had the most cliched story of all time (which it actually does), I love its message - to protect and preserve nature.
It is essential this message is spread - and I would like to thank J.C. for spreading it. I'm a biologist and enviromentalist myself, and, thanks to Jimbo, more people will realize humanity has f**ked it's own planet and now aims to expand and exploit another one.
Screw the haters, this movie was much needed.
Even if Avatar had the most cliched story of all time (which it actually does), I love its message - to protect and preserve nature.
It is essential this message is spread - and I would like to thank J.C. for spreading it. I'm a biologist and enviromentalist myself, and, thanks to Jimbo, more people will realize humanity has f**ked it's own planet and now aims to expand and exploit another one.
Screw the haters, this movie was much needed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
Would've been nicer had he been more subtle about it. He didn't have to beat us over the head with a stick to tell us.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 02, 2010, 02:53:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 02, 2010, 02:53:26 AM
Honestly I was tempted to set fire to a tree or something just to stick it to the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xhan on Apr 02, 2010, 08:14:52 AM
Post by: Xhan on Apr 02, 2010, 08:14:52 AM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 01, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
Screw the Vatican.
Even if Avatar had the most cliched story of all time (which it actually does), I love its message - to protect and preserve nature.
It is essential this message is spread - and I would like to thank J.C. for spreading it. I'm a biologist and enviromentalist myself, and, thanks to Jimbo, more people will realize humanity has f**ked it's own planet and now aims to expand and exploit another one.
Screw the haters, this movie was much needed.
Did you type that with a straight face?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 02, 2010, 08:27:48 AM
Post by: Puks on Apr 02, 2010, 08:27:48 AM
I typed it drunk. :D
But it's still my opinion.
But it's still my opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2010, 09:25:26 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2010, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 01, 2010, 11:52:27 PMBallistic and AvPR say Hi. ;D
Even if Avatar had the most cliched story of all time (which it actually does)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 09:46:16 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 09:46:16 PM
Your point being? They're still weak films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 12:15:08 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 12:15:08 AM
im gonna steer the conversation back on course. Avatar is too obvious blah blah blah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 03, 2010, 01:54:03 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 03, 2010, 01:54:03 AM
blah blah blah
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 03, 2010, 02:11:02 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 03, 2010, 02:11:02 AM
im gonna make it simple for everyone. Yes its a simple movie, there are no suprises, the plot is predictable and has been used many times before, the characters are one dimensional and you can guess all their fates from the moment you see them on screen, its cliched, formulaic, preachy and unoriginal. But its entertaining to watch and for an SFX action blockbuster thats all people want it to be...entertaining. If you want something deeper, dont watch this and then complain its shallow. Its meant to be simple, Its a bloody popcorn movie, and a bloody good one. And it IS SCI-FI. End of story. Thanks for coming.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 02:22:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 02:22:29 AM
As far as I'm concerned, Avatar is the nadir of cinema.
Bare with me: Ever since about Star Wars in 1977 people have been bitching about effects taking the place of storytelling. Probably before that.
We bemoan hollow shit like Transformers, we sit about wondering whatever happened to effects spectacles that had plot, and generally acted pretty haughty about the fact we knew that Hollywood was a shallow, soulless wasteland these days.
Then comes Avatar, wherein the people making it flat-out say "Yeah, f**k the story, this is all about the effects", and it becomes the highest grossing film of all f**king time.
Bah.
Bare with me: Ever since about Star Wars in 1977 people have been bitching about effects taking the place of storytelling. Probably before that.
We bemoan hollow shit like Transformers, we sit about wondering whatever happened to effects spectacles that had plot, and generally acted pretty haughty about the fact we knew that Hollywood was a shallow, soulless wasteland these days.
Then comes Avatar, wherein the people making it flat-out say "Yeah, f**k the story, this is all about the effects", and it becomes the highest grossing film of all f**king time.
Bah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 02:38:28 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 02:38:28 AM
I guess James has a better track record with movies, I dunno.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 02:45:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 02:45:16 AM
I can't explain it. Sure, there are worse films - Dear God, are there worse films - but Avatar is this whole different level of what-the-f**k.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 07:37:25 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 07:37:25 AM
Why? I agree the film was too shallow and dry, I wouldn't say it sucked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 09:46:16 PMSo you are saying that Ballistic and AvPR's stories are less cliched than Avatar's? :o
Your point being? They're still weak films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 03:36:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 03:36:57 PM
I'm saying they're all cliched.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 03:38:35 PM
But Avatar at least adds something new, as opposed to those 2 I've said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 04:38:37 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 04:38:37 PM
Like?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
*shudders* f-furries...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 04:41:01 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 04:41:01 PM
Na'vi's neural connection with the other creatures.
Floating Mountains.
All creature designs.
Floating Mountains.
All creature designs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 05:37:19 PM
Adding 3 new effects doesn't make it any less cliched than the other two films, so your point is moot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 05:37:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 03, 2010, 05:37:56 PM
You said Like? I said some examples. I need to rewatch the movie to say others because I don't remember some things.
Another interesting thing is the method of breath of the Pandora critties.
Another interesting thing is the method of breath of the Pandora critties.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
It added new things sure, but my point is that in reference to your original claim, Avatar isn't any less cliched than the other two films you mentioned.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 10:08:55 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 07:37:25 AMWasn't saying it does, just so many people spend so long bemoaning effects over plot movies, then Cameron flat-out says this is effects over plot, and everyone and their dog goes to see it. Twice.
Why? I agree the film was too shallow and dry, I wouldn't say it sucked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 03, 2010, 10:15:50 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 03, 2010, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 10:08:55 PMAt least my Dog wasn't seeing what was coming a mile off ;DQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2010, 07:37:25 AMWasn't saying it does, just so many people spend so long bemoaning effects over plot movies, then Cameron flat-out says this is effects over plot, and everyone and their dog goes to see it. Twice.
Why? I agree the film was too shallow and dry, I wouldn't say it sucked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 04, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 04, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
Avatar is a basic effects movie done well. The plots simple, characters arent developed (but they are likeable), great action sequences, excellent art direction, good pacing, and a stunning climax. If you wanted or expected it to be any deeper than that you wont enjoy it.
Its the reason Transformers 2 sucked donkey balls. Yeah some of the action was excellent but the pacing was awful, the characters where annoying, and the plot while no less obvious,simple or cliched as Avatars was completely nonsensical and incoherent. For a movie plot so simple as good robots vs bad robots they really did an awful job to come up with a reason for the story this time.
Its the reason Transformers 2 sucked donkey balls. Yeah some of the action was excellent but the pacing was awful, the characters where annoying, and the plot while no less obvious,simple or cliched as Avatars was completely nonsensical and incoherent. For a movie plot so simple as good robots vs bad robots they really did an awful job to come up with a reason for the story this time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Post by: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2010, 02:28:53 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2010, 02:28:53 AM
A furry with a gigantic rack is still a f**king furry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Apr 05, 2010, 07:58:03 AM
Post by: Vanski on Apr 05, 2010, 07:58:03 AM
Quite nice for a cow ;). I've never really got this furry thing, especially with the people who take it so seriously, that it's laughable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: XenoVC on Apr 05, 2010, 08:24:18 AM
Post by: XenoVC on Apr 05, 2010, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
Put that shit outside.
If it's gonna shit everywhere then it needs to go back in the barn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
what the hell are you guys talking about? what the f**ks a furry?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 10:34:01 AM
Post by: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 10:34:01 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry
For a more fun explanation, please see also:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Furry
For a more fun explanation, please see also:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Furry
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 10:34:01 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry
For a more fun explanation, please see also:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Furry
ummm i just dont know what to say except.........they want locking. dirty dirty buggers
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
One word...
Hot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 01:30:30 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PMQuote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
One word...
Hot.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
this is how it works. that pic is just a badly drawn cow-girl, since it still has bare skin. here's a reference:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi121.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo206%2FChiese%2F1138673128104-1.jpg&hash=c1d53ce95d76f1af8dc89832536bb6ae84282473)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi121.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo206%2FChiese%2F1138673128104-1.jpg&hash=c1d53ce95d76f1af8dc89832536bb6ae84282473)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 05, 2010, 01:50:33 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 05, 2010, 01:50:33 PM
^That scares me
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 01:30:30 PMQuote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PMQuote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
One word...
Hot.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Like you wouldn't tap that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
a drawning of an horribly deformed woman? why no
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 01:58:35 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 01:30:30 PMQuote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PMQuote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
One word...
Hot.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Like you wouldn't tap that.
A: Because its a hideously out of proportion mess
B: Its not even human its half animal
C: Its a BLOODY CARTOON
If there was a real life, actual counter-part to that and it was walking towards me id run away screaming.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 05, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 05, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 10:08:55 PM
Wasn't saying it does, just so many people spend so long bemoaning effects over plot movies, then Cameron flat-out says this is effects over plot, and everyone and their dog goes to see it. Twice.
A-f**king-men.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 03:07:33 PMQuote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 01:58:35 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 05, 2010, 01:30:30 PMQuote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 12:36:53 PMQuote from: genocyber on Apr 04, 2010, 08:57:38 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PMThey aren't that bad
*shudders* f-furries...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs44%2Ff%2F2009%2F163%2Fc%2Fa%2FLas_Lindas_Mora_Barn_by_chalosan.jpg&hash=07c5d9c88d88ec929cc79b99ae4fea395e988710)
One word...
Hot.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Like you wouldn't tap that.
A: Because its a hideously out of proportion mess
B: Its not even human its half animal
C: Its a BLOODY CARTOON
If there was a real life, actual counter-part to that and it was walking towards me id run away screaming.
You can only lie to yourself for so long...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
I say the same for you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 05:30:06 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 05, 2010, 05:30:06 PM
Not really, seen as my comments weren't serious. But hey, it's all good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: genocyber on Apr 05, 2010, 09:09:32 PM
Post by: genocyber on Apr 05, 2010, 09:09:32 PM
Furries are like hookers.Nobody admits they would but we all know deep down.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
Post by: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
Back on topic, please, I don't like where this is going.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 05, 2010, 10:46:52 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 05, 2010, 10:46:52 PM
People get the same kicks from drawings as they do from real life because the drawings remind them of real life and it lets the imagination run wild. Plus drawings can be whatever you want them to be.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 02:19:26 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 02:19:26 AM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 05, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
Back on topic, please, I don't like where this is going.
What he said. Please and thank you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: stephen on Apr 06, 2010, 04:32:03 AM
Post by: stephen on Apr 06, 2010, 04:32:03 AM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 04, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
Avatar is a basic effects movie done well. The plots simple, characters arent developed (but they are likeable), great action sequences, excellent art direction, good pacing, and a stunning climax. If you wanted or expected it to be any deeper than that you wont enjoy it.
Its the reason Transformers 2 sucked donkey balls. Yeah some of the action was excellent but the pacing was awful, the characters where annoying, and the plot while no less obvious,simple or cliched as Avatars was completely nonsensical and incoherent. For a movie plot so simple as good robots vs bad robots they really did an awful job to come up with a reason for the story this time.
Agree completely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:33:59 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:33:59 AM
QuoteIf you wanted or expected it to be any deeper than that you wont enjoy it.
That was my problem.
I want and expect more from Cameron. Not a great deal more, granted, but a lot more than what we got.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 06, 2010, 04:38:25 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 06, 2010, 04:38:25 AM
Cameron apparently thinks sad sounding ethnic vocals and slow-motion make you sad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
They do - but not the same type of sad he was looking for.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:33:59 AMQuoteIf you wanted or expected it to be any deeper than that you wont enjoy it.
That was my problem.
I want and expect more from Cameron. Not a great deal more, granted, but a lot more than what we got.
Yup. Considering his films are always blockbusters and hailed as epics, we have every right to expect more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 09:40:24 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 04:33:59 AMQuoteIf you wanted or expected it to be any deeper than that you wont enjoy it.
That was my problem.
I want and expect more from Cameron. Not a great deal more, granted, but a lot more than what we got.
Im not trying to be a dick or anything but was Terminator 2, Aliens, or True Lies any deeper or meaningful than Avatar. I dont think so. And The Abyss was probably just as preachy. As for Titanic, personally i thought it was very shallow and basic with a daft cheesy plot thrown in willy nilly as an excuse to set it on the ship.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2010, 09:54:20 PM
Aliens and T2 were his own creation. Sure he pissed on the Alien by turning it into something the original makers didn't want in the first place, but at least he borrowed elements from the first film and used them masterfully. The film worked. T2 did the same thing, except he improved on his own film which is something he doesn't do anymore. He doesn't look to his own films and just rips other people off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 09:40:24 PMNo - But he exercised subtlety. He didn't beat the message into your head repeatedly with a sledge-hammer, and he didn't make it painfully obvious he was ripping off everyone in sight.
Im not trying to be a dick or anything but was Terminator 2, Aliens, or True Lies any deeper or meaningful than Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:05:18 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 06, 2010, 09:40:24 PMNo - But he exercised subtlety. He didn't beat the message into your head repeatedly with a sledge-hammer, and he didn't make it painfully obvious he was ripping off everyone in sight.
Im not trying to be a dick or anything but was Terminator 2, Aliens, or True Lies any deeper or meaningful than Avatar.
certainly cant deny that. im with you there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 06, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 06, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
In the end, that is was separates Avatar from his better films. His earlier pictures, while nothing special in terms of story and writing, were more subtle with their message, thus making the action and drama more meaningful.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Plus Avatar lacked any sort of iconic imagery.
Ripley holding Newt and her BFG, or Arnie on the bike with his shottie > Any of the million dollar special effects shots of Avatar.
Ripley holding Newt and her BFG, or Arnie on the bike with his shottie > Any of the million dollar special effects shots of Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 06, 2010, 11:24:45 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 06, 2010, 11:24:45 PM
Give it 18 + years to age like the others.
The Venture Star opening.
The first shot of Jake standing in the bioluminescent forest.
Neytiri holding Jake.
Of course what some find iconic, others don't.
The Venture Star opening.
The first shot of Jake standing in the bioluminescent forest.
Neytiri holding Jake.
Of course what some find iconic, others don't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Trying to think of a stand out shot from the film and having trouble. Certainly none of them are popping out. Probably some wide angle of the floaty mountains from the trailer.
The thing with the stuff SiL mentioned is they were on the posters. I found the posters for Avatar pretty bland and dull.
The thing with the stuff SiL mentioned is they were on the posters. I found the posters for Avatar pretty bland and dull.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 06, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 06, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Trying to think of a stand out shot from the film and having trouble. Certainly none of them are popping out. Probably some wide angle of the floaty mountains from the trailer.
The thing with the stuff SiL mentioned is they were on the posters. I found the posters for Avatar pretty bland and dull.
Certainly some of the worst posters for any big movie in recent memory.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:28:35 PMCos they were awesome images from the film itself and summed it all up perfectly. Avatar lacks any real single shot that could be used as visual shorthand beyond some of the designs.
The thing with the stuff SiL mentioned is they were on the posters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:59:20 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 11:59:20 PM
Quite.
They could showed Jake with super sized flying lizard thing or something. Not like no one saw it coming.
They could showed Jake with super sized flying lizard thing or something. Not like no one saw it coming.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:02:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:02:56 AM
Yeah, but that doesn't tell you anything.
"Oh look, it's a blue smurfycat thing on a giant red birdy".
It's like half of every fantasy paintings ever.
You look at the image of Arnie with the black camo makeup and the vest adorned with grenades, a shotgun strapped to his back, big f**kin' machine gun in one hand and a rocket launcher in the other, and you know that Commando is all about kicking some everloving ass.
...Actually, I guess that would make Jake riding the red birdy dragon thingy perfect for summing up Avatar: It's everything you've ever seen before, slightly prettier.
"Oh look, it's a blue smurfycat thing on a giant red birdy".
It's like half of every fantasy paintings ever.
You look at the image of Arnie with the black camo makeup and the vest adorned with grenades, a shotgun strapped to his back, big f**kin' machine gun in one hand and a rocket launcher in the other, and you know that Commando is all about kicking some everloving ass.
...Actually, I guess that would make Jake riding the red birdy dragon thingy perfect for summing up Avatar: It's everything you've ever seen before, slightly prettier.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 12:09:43 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 12:09:43 AM
QuoteIt's like half of every fantasy paintings ever.
Yeah but how ace would it have been if the whole thing was done Vallejo style?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Too ace for such a crummy movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 12:49:05 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 12:49:05 AM
And furthermore
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Froflrazzi.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F04%2F129145775174169989.jpg&hash=7468006427a1aab194fc2f1d0f587b5e9e773b5e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Froflrazzi.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F04%2F129145775174169989.jpg&hash=7468006427a1aab194fc2f1d0f587b5e9e773b5e)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:50:28 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 12:50:28 AM
That right there begins and ends my understanding of the 1980s.
What a wild time.
What a wild time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 01:48:15 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 01:48:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 12:49:05 AM
And furthermore
http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129145775174169989.jpg
This picture is full of Epic Win. Carry on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Jesus. My mentioning how I don't think Avatar is a very good sci-fi movie led to a massive debate, resulting in several suicides. What have I done? Anyways, since I started it (inadvertently), and wasn't present for a large portion, I would just like to get a final word in. Avatar is undeniable science-fiction. However, it is very, VERY soft science fiction, whilst I prefer much harder stuff. That is what I meant by it not being very good sci-fi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 07, 2010, 05:01:23 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 07, 2010, 05:01:23 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Jesus. My mentioning how I don't think Avatar is a very good sci-fi movie led to a massive debate, resulting in several suicides. What have I done? Anyways, since I started it (inadvertently), and wasn't present for a large portion, I would just like to get a final word in. Avatar is undeniable science-fiction. However, it is very, VERY soft science fiction, whilst I prefer much harder stuff. That is what I meant by it not being very good sci-fi.
soft or hard is not a good way to express a movie's style.
thats what caused the shitstorm in the first place.
not a flame war. A. SHIT. STORM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 07, 2010, 05:25:52 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 07, 2010, 05:25:52 AM
An inconic image from the film, for me, was when Jake landed the Big dragon in front of all the Navi. Been done before and was obvious, but I thought it looked great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 09:43:02 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 09:43:02 AM
I can't even remember that image.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 10:11:10 AM
Post by: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 09:43:02 AM
I can't even remember that image.
That's marvellous, thanks for sharing.
But yeah it was a great scene, you could see it coming a mile off but just looked to beautiful.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
not a dragon though, that would imply that it is a fantasy :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 07, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 07, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
Sorry, Leonopteryx or however it's spelt. I like that name, the more I say it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 11:50:38 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 11:50:38 AM
Avatar is full of fantasy concepts dressed up to be more palatable for a modern audience, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 11:50:38 AMyeah, i was being semi-sarcastic, but it does kind of annoy me, would the movie have really been much less popular if it tried to be a little more sci-fi?
Avatar is full of fantasy concepts dressed up to be more palatable for a modern audience, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 07, 2010, 12:53:47 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 07, 2010, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 11:50:38 AM
Avatar is full of fantasy concepts dressed up to be more palatable for a modern audience, though.
No more so than Star Wars and thats 31 years ago. I dont think its dressed up to be anything. It is what it is. To me im watching a fantasy in a sci-fi setting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Yeah, but Star Wars didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Cameron clearly thinks he had a masterpiece on his hands.
Cameron clearly thinks he had a masterpiece on his hands.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:01:37 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:01:37 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 07, 2010, 05:01:23 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 07, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Jesus. My mentioning how I don't think Avatar is a very good sci-fi movie led to a massive debate, resulting in several suicides. What have I done? Anyways, since I started it (inadvertently), and wasn't present for a large portion, I would just like to get a final word in. Avatar is undeniable science-fiction. However, it is very, VERY soft science fiction, whilst I prefer much harder stuff. That is what I meant by it not being very good sci-fi.
soft or hard is not a good way to express a movie's style.
thats what caused the shitstorm in the first place.
not a flame war. A. SHIT. STORM.
Soft science-fiction and hard science-fiction are actual sub-genres of science-fiction. I was merely stating that I prefer harder stuff than what we got in Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 07, 2010, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 07, 2010, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Yeah, but Star Wars didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Cameron clearly thinks he had a masterpiece on his hands.
Im not really bothered what Cameron thinks though. Wether he claims it to be the greatest film of all time or a piece of crap i'll make my own mind up and happily ignore anything a director has to say about their own movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 02:24:11 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 07, 2010, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Yeah, butStar WarsAvatar didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.CameronLucas clearly thought he had a masterpiece on his hands.
i think it works both ways.
i don't think either of them were really pretending to be anything like 2001 for example, a true Hard SF movie, but in both cases Lucas and Cameron fell in love with their creations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 08:47:30 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 07, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Yeah, but Star Wars didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Cameron clearly thinks he had a masterpiece on his hands.
Sometimes I think Star Wars was an indirect masterpiece. Lucas wanted to make something grand and he did, but I don't know if he had any idea of just how important the film would later become for the stuff it contributed to special effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 11:21:10 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 11:21:10 PM
QuoteYeah, but Avatar didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Yes it did. Cameron, Landau et al. have been spouting about how it will be the next revolution in movies and all that since before it started shooting.
Lucas thought Star Wars would fail and took off to Hawaii to avoid the opening.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 01:14:50 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 01:14:50 AM
That's odd. Why would he think it would fail?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 01:57:24 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 01:57:24 AM
QuoteWhen Lucas screened an early cut of the film for his friends, among them directors Brian De Palma, John Milius and Steven Spielberg, their reactions were disappointing. Spielberg, who claimed to have been the only person in the audience to have enjoyed the film,[5] believed that the lack of enthusiasm was due to the absence of finished special effects. Lucas later said that the group was honest and seemed bemused by the film. In contrast, Alan Ladd, Jr. and the rest of 20th Century Fox loved the film: one of the executives, Gareth Wigan, told Lucas, "This is the greatest film I've ever seen", and cried during the screening. Lucas found the experience shocking and rewarding, having never gained any approval from studio executives before.
Add to that he had a f**king awful time making it (hence the reason he didn't direct Empire and Jedi), he wasn't particularly confident.
He visited the set of Close Encounters before Star Wars was released, and was so blown away that he and Spielberg traded points on each others films. So Spielberg is still making money off Star Wars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 01:58:15 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 01:58:15 AM
He must've had the shock of his life when the film was eventually released.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 01:59:35 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 01:59:35 AM
Fairly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 11:21:10 PMQuoteYeah, but Avatar didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Yes it did. Cameron, Landau et al. have been spouting about how it will be the next revolution in movies and all that since before it started shooting.
Lucas thought Star Wars would fail and took off to Hawaii to avoid the opening.
cameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 10:11:10 AMIt was entirely relevant to the conversation.
That's marvellous, thanks for sharing.
Unlike your remark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 08, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 08, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AM
cameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
Everything Cameron does is revolutionary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 08, 2010, 11:13:21 AM*Cameron drinks a coffee*Quote from: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AM
cameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
Everything Cameron does is revolutionary.
BREAKING NEWS
JAMES CAMERON DRANK A COFFEE
HE DRANK A REVOLUTIONARY COFFEE IN 3D
MORE AT 5 O' CLOCK
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 08, 2010, 11:25:36 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 08, 2010, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AMQuote from: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 11:21:10 PMQuoteYeah, but Avatar didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Yes it did. Cameron, Landau et al. have been spouting about how it will be the next revolution in movies and all that since before it started shooting.
Lucas thought Star Wars would fail and took off to Hawaii to avoid the opening.
cameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
If that was the case, he should just have filmed his doggy with his fancy 3D gizmos, then make a short film and get it over with!
To make us endure two and a half hours of snoozing story and characters, that's real torture...No CGI 3D extravaganza can disguise that!
I think he is just REALLY full of himself...! And he got beat up by his ex! he should file a suit for ex-conjugal 'violence'... I always love when an arrogant man gets humiliated!
No money can disguise the creative bitch-slapping he got at the Oscars! And deservedly so! The idea that all it would take to make a movie is the visual component alone, is an idea only a poor writer would have! I don't know what happened to Cameron, maybe it was the 10-year hiatus, or he just was a writing hack all along and only now we are starting to see it!
The point is that this is the second movie in a row for him where his storytelling gets criticised...He had always put the visuals before the story, but TTANIC and AVATAR really started to show he doesn't know how to write drama, just action sequences... Ummemorable one-liners don't help either...
And just because he earned a ton of money doesn't make him YODA! He has no idea of how to write a memorable story or movie, just feed people eye-candy and hope his por skills at storytelling will go unnoticed! Well, he failed and the movie is hollow because it doesn't match the CG with a compelling story!
I know he is proud of his movie, but to confuse pride with reality is a mistake arrogant people always make!
I just hope he inserts a story into the sequel, rather than depend on the visuals alone!
I just can't think of any compelling story plot that was left hanging... and I don't trust Cameron to make lemonade out of 'imaginary' lemons! :o :P ;)
And Cameron's tech is evolutionary, NOT revolutionary...! The 3D stuff or the mo-cap is not new, therefore not revolutionary...All he did was to go to the next step... FINAL FANTASY - THE SPIRITS WITHIN was revolutionary, whilst AVATAR is just another evolutionary step... There is nothing there beside the tech used for mo-cap to call it groundbreaking...And even that was an evolution of the pre-existing tech, nothing out of the box at all...the same can be said for the 3D : new goggles don't make new tech...! :P
When we can see a 3D movie WITHOUT GOGGLES, then I would say it is revolutionary...! Until then, all we are seeing are small steps climbing the evolutionary ladder of technology...
And if the tech is not revolutionary, his clichéd story and characters don't help matters as well...
Hence, there is nothing revolutionary about it...! Quite the opposite, in fact! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 08, 2010, 11:25:36 AMQuote from: AvatarIII on Apr 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AMQuote from: SM on Apr 07, 2010, 11:21:10 PMQuoteYeah, but Avatar didn't pretend to be anything other than what it was.
Yes it did. Cameron, Landau et al. have been spouting about how it will be the next revolution in movies and all that since before it started shooting.
Lucas thought Star Wars would fail and took off to Hawaii to avoid the opening.
cameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
If that was the case, he should just have filmed his doggy with his fancy 3D gizmos, then make a short film and get it over with!
To make us endure two and a half hours of snoozing story and characters, that's real torture...No CGI 3D extravaganza can disguise that!
I think he is just REALLY full of himself...! And he got beat up by his ex! he should file a suit for ex-conjugal 'violence'... I always love when an arrogant man gets humiliated!
No money can disguise the creative bitch-slapping he got at the Oscars! And deservedly so! The idea that all it would take to make a movie is the visual component alone, is an idea only a poor writer would have! I don't know what happened to Cameron, maybe it was the 10-year hiatus, or he just was a writing hack all along and only now we are starting to see it!
he spent the 10 years after Titanic developing the 3D tech and filming 3D documentries, and no-one cared, Avatar was supposed to be the movie that openeed everyone's eyes to 3D, except he was a bit slow about it, by the time he was ready to start making it his revolution seemed to be no big deal, but bear in mind that Avatar may not have been the first major 3D live action movie, but it was his technology for filiming it in HD 3D rather that doing it all in post production was sort of the revolution.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 08, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 08, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
So before this you had to add in the 3D in post production and the way Cameron has developed it for the last 10 years means you actually film it like that? To be fair the results for the audience dont look as revolutionary as he claimed but certainly from the filmmakers point of view its a big deal.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 12:02:10 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 08, 2010, 11:13:21 AMTrue Lies revolutionised atrocious plot structuring.
Everything Cameron does is revolutionary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Meh, personally, T.Rex: Back to the Cretaceous in 3D amazed me more than Avatar because it was one of the first major release films (I think) to take advantage of the medium, and it put 3D to great use.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 10:54:18 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 10:54:18 PM
QuoteSo before this you had to add in the 3D in post production and the way Cameron has developed it for the last 10 years means you actually film it like that?
No, old 3D films were filmed in 3D.
Quotecameron thought the revolution was in the way he filmed it, not the story or the characters or the world he created.
Shame cos he's gone from all style, some substance to all style, no substance. By his own admission it's 'Never mind the plot point - look at the floaty mountains!!!'
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Apr 10, 2010, 03:33:53 AM
Post by: Yautja117 on Apr 10, 2010, 03:33:53 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 08:14:59 PMThat is the only film I've seen where the 3-D was amazing. It was a decent movie, too.
Meh, personally, T.Rex: Back to the Cretaceous in 3D amazed me more than Avatar because it was one of the first major release films (I think) to take advantage of the medium, and it put 3D to great use.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2010, 05:53:04 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2010, 05:53:04 AM
Journey to the Centre of the Earth had really awesome 3D effects; certainly created a huge wow effect for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 10, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 10, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
I thought the CG in Journey was blatant though. Never looked real at all. It was like watching a 3D cartoon. At least Avatars looked about as real as you're gonna get at this point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Blatant, but still effective.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 10, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 10, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2010, 02:41:02 PMSeconded.
Blatant, but still effective.
The Plesiosaurs scene is win. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 14, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 14, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Sigourney Weaver Accuses the Academy Awards of Sexism
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17368&count=0
Yeah, right...
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17368&count=0
Yeah, right...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 14, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 14, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
Either way, the Oscar should've gone to District 9.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 14, 2010, 11:57:16 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 14, 2010, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: Shasvre on Apr 14, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Sigourney Weaver Accuses the Academy Awards of Sexism
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17368&count=0
Yeah, right...
I really, really hate to say this, because Weaver is one of my all-time favourite actresses, but I think she was paid for that or something. :-\
-Although it's true that AA in these last times are "mind-controlled"-
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 14, 2010, 11:56:05 AMYou, my friend, speak the truth.
Either way, the Oscar should've gone to District 9.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Apr 14, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Sigourney Weaver Accuses the Academy Awards of Sexism
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=17368&count=0
Yeah, right...
Amazing, I never thought her ego could be so big. Really, I didn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 14, 2010, 04:11:21 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 14, 2010, 04:11:21 PM
Honestly, are you that surprised? Just look at her waffling opinions on, well, everything. She's not afraid to speak her mind, even if its a contradiction of what she already said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 14, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 14, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
While I wouldn't be surprised that the Academy gave the Oscar because she is a women, Cameron didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
The Hurt Locker wasn't a Oscar movie for me and neither was Avatar. But Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring it didn't deserve it in my opinion.
And how do the oscar voters know who did a better job at directing a movie? This category is absolute unneccessary as it is mostly based on speculations.
And how do the oscar voters know who did a better job at directing a movie? This category is absolute unneccessary as it is mostly based on speculations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
All of the awards are based on speculation, so that's a moot point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 14, 2010, 05:02:02 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 14, 2010, 05:02:02 PM
Naaa, not the things you can acutally see.
Best Picture
Art Direction
Film Editing
Visual Effects
Music Score
Costume Designs
etc.
Best Picture
Art Direction
Film Editing
Visual Effects
Music Score
Costume Designs
etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 14, 2010, 06:44:37 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 14, 2010, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 14, 2010, 04:16:49 PMDidn't know she can duplicate herself.
because she is a women
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 05:02:02 PM
Naaa, not the things you can acutally see.
Best Picture
Art Direction
Film Editing
Visual Effects
Music Score
Costume Designs
etc.
Still speculation. A panel of judges does not make them experts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 06:52:14 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PMImo it is one of the best films in the last decade so there are people on both sides of the spectrum for ALL movies ever so if you take into account that some might find it the perfect movie. You cant say you didn't think it should of won since a lot of other people did. ;) But I agree with you on your logic because I didn't think avatar is any good but a hell of a lot of other people think it is the best movie ever. So even though I don't like it I still acknowledge it as a good movie.
The Hurt Locker wasn't a Oscar movie for me and neither was Avatar. But Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring it didn't deserve it in my opinion.
And how do the oscar voters know who did a better job at directing a movie? This category is absolute unneccessary as it is mostly based on speculations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 07:43:32 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 07:43:32 PM
Hurt Locker was a fantastic film. Being boring doesnt come into it. Theres plenty of films i find boring but i still wouldnt claim them to be bad films just because i personally found them boring. I found The Godfather boring but theres no way in hell i'll be claiming its a crap film as a result. Just wasnt my cup of tea. You can still accept a film for being great, but you dont have to like it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 07:43:32 PMExactly what I was trying to say in the post above and failed :P :-[
Hurt Locker was a fantastic film. Being boring doesnt come into it. Theres plenty of films i find boring but i still wouldnt claim them to be bad films just because i personally found them boring. I found The Godfather boring but theres no way in hell i'll be claiming its a crap film as a result. Just wasnt my cup of tea. You can still accept a film for being great, but you dont have to like it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
Basically if i watched every single film thats ever won a best picture oscar, i bet that i wont like or enjoy way more than half of them. But i very much doubt any of them could be labelled as an outright bad film. Granted there may have been the odd strange choice now and again but theyre all going to be excellent films in their own right to have gotten nominated in the first place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 08:00:37 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 08:00:37 PM
The same. I feel If i don't like a film but everyone else does I still think of it as a good movie. For example I can't stand to watch say the departed but if people like those types of films it will be one of there favourites I would still class it as a good movie.
Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think other people are stupid or something like some people.
Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think other people are stupid or something like some people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
Basically if youre not completely stupid you can tell when youre watching an excellent movie even if you yourself arent really enjoying it.
However i think your statement about everybody else liking a film makes it good, is a bit misleading. I know what your getting at, but on that basis there were many many people who came out of the cinema and thought Transformers 2 was brilliant. And we all know that aint a good movie. Sure i enjoy watching it, but its a pile of crap if im honest. I just think if youre not a complete moron you can watch a film and know when its good or bad regardless of wether you enjoyed it or not. You can dislike movies that you know are excellent and you can like movies that you can see are crap.
Its brain dead movie goers i cant stand to argue with. They'll claim Transformers was the greatest film of all time because it was full of explosions and robots but The green Mile is shit because its slow and boring. People who claim a film is shit just because they didnt like it and give no other reason boil my piss
However i think your statement about everybody else liking a film makes it good, is a bit misleading. I know what your getting at, but on that basis there were many many people who came out of the cinema and thought Transformers 2 was brilliant. And we all know that aint a good movie. Sure i enjoy watching it, but its a pile of crap if im honest. I just think if youre not a complete moron you can watch a film and know when its good or bad regardless of wether you enjoyed it or not. You can dislike movies that you know are excellent and you can like movies that you can see are crap.
Its brain dead movie goers i cant stand to argue with. They'll claim Transformers was the greatest film of all time because it was full of explosions and robots but The green Mile is shit because its slow and boring. People who claim a film is shit just because they didnt like it and give no other reason boil my piss
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 14, 2010, 09:44:03 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 14, 2010, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring
Wow, I found it extremely engaging and intense. You could almost feel as if you were there at times with them being stared down by some extremist in the street about to blow yo ass up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 14, 2010, 09:44:03 PMI loved it. It is so diffrent and more real than most war films in my books it is equally if not greater than saving private ryan.Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring
Wow, I found it extremely engaging and intense. You could almost feel as if you were there at times with them being stared down by some extremist in the street about to blow yo ass up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 10:11:21 PMQuote from: Cellien on Apr 14, 2010, 09:44:03 PMI loved it. It is so diffrent and more real than most war films in my books it is equally if not greater than saving private ryan.Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring
Wow, I found it extremely engaging and intense. You could almost feel as if you were there at times with them being stared down by some extremist in the street about to blow yo ass up.
Well i certainly would of chosen Hurt Locker over Avatar for Best Picture so i think they got it spot on. It was a brilliant film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Tbh I thought it would of been avatar for obvious reasons but wanted it to be The Hurt Locker
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:34:02 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:34:02 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 14, 2010, 09:44:03 PMQuote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 14, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Hurt Locker was so incredibly boring
Wow, I found it extremely engaging and intense. You could almost feel as if you were there at times with them being stared down by some extremist in the street about to blow yo ass up.
I agree with that. It definitely deserved the award more than Avatar, but I also think that there were more deserving films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:35:20 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:35:20 PM
what films where nominated for best picture?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Avatar, The Blind Side, An Education, District 9, The Hurt Locker, Inglourious Basterds, Precious, A Serious Man, Up, and Up In the Air.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
What ones weren't?
I would've put District 9 and Up ahead of Avatar. Haven't seen Hurt Locker.
I would've put District 9 and Up ahead of Avatar. Haven't seen Hurt Locker.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Up is a legend film if it wasn't against avatar or The Hurt Locker it should of won.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 11:44:47 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 11:44:47 PM
Problem is it made a mockery of the Best Animated category.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 11:46:51 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 11:46:51 PM
D9 deserved it the most. It's the 'little film that could' in that it was small scale and managed to put on one hell of a show.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:49:14 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:49:14 PM
In some ways so did up and The Hurt Locker
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 14, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
District 9 was the best of the ones I'd seen. I thought Up was overrated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:11 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:11 PM
Well out of those I'd be torn between District 9 and Hurt Locker. And i mean torn. They where both massive surprises for me. Seemed to come out of nowhere and blow me away (no pun intended on the Hurt Locker there)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
Well for a animation that is ment for kids kept me entertained I was shocked
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 14, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
Well for a animation that is ment for kids kept me entertained I was shocked
Shocked that a kids animation kept you entertained. Why? Theres plenty of good animation out there id happily watch over and over again. Infact I love Ice Age and Shrek (sequels for both havnt been on a par but the first films where great)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:00:48 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:00:48 AM
I like ice age as well and the main ones but up actually focused on adults as well as kids it made it stick in my mind.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
ICe Age and Shrek are generally decent, but none of them films even approach even the weakest Pixar flicks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:02:12 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:02:12 AM
Cars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:06:32 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:06:32 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:02:12 AMThat is the worst pixar film but is still a amazing movie.
Cars.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:07:05 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:07:05 AM
No, not so much, no.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 15, 2010, 12:08:27 AM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 15, 2010, 12:08:27 AM
I am so looking forward to Toy Story 3.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:09:10 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:09:10 AM
are you talking in terms of visuals and the animation itself or as a film on the whole? If you mean the animation i agree but personally as film and for enjoyment as an adult i much prefer Ice Age and Shrek to Cars, Bugs Life, WALL E, Ratatouille, Finding Nemo and dare i say it even Toy Story. Granted children wont see it that way and thats the intended audience but i really do prefer Ice Age and Shrek to any of those mentioned. I havnt seen Up, Incredibles, Monsters Inc so i cant comment on those althouhg Monsters Inc looks great and i dont know why i have never checked it out before. I think ill do that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:09:56 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 12:09:56 AM
Film as a whole. Visuals do not a good film make.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
well then my point stands. thats based on me being an adult and my enjoyment of them however. For children its going to be vastly different.
By the way has anybody seen Shrek The Halls. The half hour christmas special. Had me rolling with laughter at the depictions of santa. Especially gingys girlfriend getting eaten on christmas eve. Haha brilliant.
By the way has anybody seen Shrek The Halls. The half hour christmas special. Had me rolling with laughter at the depictions of santa. Especially gingys girlfriend getting eaten on christmas eve. Haha brilliant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:15:52 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 15, 2010, 12:15:52 AM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:12:20 AMYer it was comedy gold
well then my point stands. thats based on me being an adult and my enjoyment of them however. For children its going to be vastly different.
By the way has anybody seen Shrek The Halls. The half hour christmas special. Had me rolling with laughter at the depictions of santa. Especially gingys girlfriend getting eaten on christmas eve. Haha brilliant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
haha and then when santa does turn up at the end he runs back into the house screaming. almost as good as shitting a chocolate drop in the second film i think it was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:22:43 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:22:43 AM
QuoteCars.
Even Cars. Which is Pixar's weakest. As an overall film it's still better than the Ice Age and Shrek flicks (which are all decent).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:35:55 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 12:35:55 AM
Not for me it wasnt. Cars was boring, unfunny and not my cup of tea at all and ill never watch it again. All a matter of personal preference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vanski on Apr 15, 2010, 11:47:13 AM
Post by: Vanski on Apr 15, 2010, 11:47:13 AM
With all the 3D animated films, i hate when here we never have the original version in 2D, only in 3D. Then we have the dubbed version in 3D and in 2D. It sucks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 15, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 15, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 12:22:43 AMQuoteCars.
Even Cars. Which is Pixar's weakest. As an overall film it's still better than the Ice Age and Shrek flicks (which are all decent).
I feel the same. Dreamworks animated films seem to be unable to touch the quality of any Pixar film. I didn't care much for Shrek, and movies like Madagascar and Shark Tale are just too silly for my liking. I did enjoy Over the Hedge and Monsters vs. Aliens though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2010, 03:31:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2010, 03:31:02 PM
Careful we don't go too far off topic folks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 15, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 15, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2010, 03:31:02 PMAvatar is 80% Global CGI afterall. :P
Careful we don't go too far off topic folks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 15, 2010, 07:07:24 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2010, 03:31:02 PMAvatar is 80% Global CGI afterall. :P
Careful we don't go too far off topic folks.
eh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 15, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 15, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
Hm, I think I dropped a bomb saying that The Hurt Locker was boring.
For me, it was. But that doesn't make it a bad film. I can still see that a good movie just can't be my type of film. The whole scenario of A Serious Man was more boring (no boom boom explosions, mean terrorists, secks, defusing tension etc.) than Hurt Locker but I liked the film much more because I really enjoyed seeing how the protagonist wants to get a grip on his life.
As I watched the Hurt Locker I've had the feeling that I've seen it already. Plus, I didn't like the protagonist and that's one of the main reasons I didn't like this movie. And don't start coming with the exceptional good performance by the actor. It was a great performance. I just mean the character itself. He was an asshole. And he felt like Mr. Rambo himself, being skilled in every area. I guess I'm the only one thinking that a bomb defuser must have something in the brainz. Didn't get the feeling. And how Mr. Bomb defuser saved the day with his incredible sniper skills. C'mon. That felt weird.
And why are there always only the 3 of the guys at the bomb site? This is ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. The film also lacked a plot. I just can't see the storyline. Bomb defusing, sniper scene, booze scene, hunting-a-man-through-the-streets-alone-scene, etc.
I was surprised he didn't get killed in the movie to extract some extra oscaresque tears-drops. I was even hoping his recklessness would cause him to die.
It was a descent movie. Nothing more. Didn't deserve the Oscar because it had not a single memorable moment.
'Up' should have won Best Film this year, but animated movies will get as many Best Film oscars as action movies.
For me, it was. But that doesn't make it a bad film. I can still see that a good movie just can't be my type of film. The whole scenario of A Serious Man was more boring (no boom boom explosions, mean terrorists, secks, defusing tension etc.) than Hurt Locker but I liked the film much more because I really enjoyed seeing how the protagonist wants to get a grip on his life.
As I watched the Hurt Locker I've had the feeling that I've seen it already. Plus, I didn't like the protagonist and that's one of the main reasons I didn't like this movie. And don't start coming with the exceptional good performance by the actor. It was a great performance. I just mean the character itself. He was an asshole. And he felt like Mr. Rambo himself, being skilled in every area. I guess I'm the only one thinking that a bomb defuser must have something in the brainz. Didn't get the feeling. And how Mr. Bomb defuser saved the day with his incredible sniper skills. C'mon. That felt weird.
And why are there always only the 3 of the guys at the bomb site? This is ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. The film also lacked a plot. I just can't see the storyline. Bomb defusing, sniper scene, booze scene, hunting-a-man-through-the-streets-alone-scene, etc.
I was surprised he didn't get killed in the movie to extract some extra oscaresque tears-drops. I was even hoping his recklessness would cause him to die.
It was a descent movie. Nothing more. Didn't deserve the Oscar because it had not a single memorable moment.
'Up' should have won Best Film this year, but animated movies will get as many Best Film oscars as action movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2010, 12:56:16 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2010, 12:56:16 AM
i liked the Hurt locker, maybe not as much as other 2009 movies, i mean, it had its moments, but it quickly loses its charm.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 16, 2010, 02:36:55 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 16, 2010, 02:36:55 AM
I am buying Avatar when it comes out on DVD, but after Earth Day, because I don't want any trees planted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 16, 2010, 05:00:46 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 16, 2010, 05:00:46 AM
I got the feeling the the Hurt Locker was about capturing the experience of Iraq over any actual narrative progression.
Its a mood fest of visual stimulation.
Its a mood fest of visual stimulation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2010, 05:50:38 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2010, 05:50:38 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 16, 2010, 02:36:55 AM
I am buying Avatar when it comes out on DVD, but after Earth Day, because I don't want any trees planted.
May I ask why? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 16, 2010, 06:13:49 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 16, 2010, 06:13:49 AM
'Cos planting trees = teh gay!!!11!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 16, 2010, 08:32:14 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 16, 2010, 08:32:14 AM
:D
I wasn't even aware of Earth Day. :P
I wasn't even aware of Earth Day. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2010, 01:25:43 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2010, 01:25:43 PM
Is there an Earth day?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2010, 01:29:41 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2010, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 15, 2010, 07:09:51 PM80% of AVATAR is sole CGI afterall.... pretty near to animated features. :PQuote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 15, 2010, 07:07:24 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2010, 03:31:02 PMAvatar is 80% Global CGI afterall. :P
Careful we don't go too far off topic folks.
eh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 16, 2010, 02:54:43 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 16, 2010, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 16, 2010, 02:36:55 AM
I am buying Avatar when it comes out on DVD, but after Earth Day, because I don't want any trees planted.
You could always just buy it on Earth Day and offset the planting of a tree by leaving all your (or your parent's) cars running all day, cut down a minimum of one tree, fart as much as possible, and maybe blow something up. Then you can have it on release and reverse any good of planting one measly tree!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 19, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 19, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 16, 2010, 02:54:43 PM
You could always just buy it on Earth Day and offset the planting of a tree by leaving all your (or your parent's) cars running all day, cut down a minimum of one tree, fart as much as possible, and maybe blow something up. Then you can have it on release and reverse any good of planting one measly tree!
I was going to feed a bunch of baked beans to cows and destroy the earth with cow farts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
This movie is going to be my first Blu Ray :D
(I don't have a Blu Ray player, but its a Blu Ray/DVD combo pack, so I can watch it on my DVD and still have the Blu Ray fro when I buy that player).
(I don't have a Blu Ray player, but its a Blu Ray/DVD combo pack, so I can watch it on my DVD and still have the Blu Ray fro when I buy that player).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
The first release will have very little extra features, but at least they are focusing on the best picture possible.
"Why only include the film by itself on this edition?
Cameron: All these extraneous materials take down your bit rate. When you're a long picture like Avatar that barely fits on the disc, and you have to make room for a lot of other content, it starts to degrade the image quality. The quality, in terms of the resolution, has no noise and no grain. All of the visual elements of the picture are fantastic. Also, by the way, I have this unwritten deal with Fox that, any time one of my movies makes more than a billion dollars, we leave all the crap trailers off of the Blu-ray and DVD, as a little service to the viewer. I can't stand watching them, any more than you can."
The extended cut is said to possibly have 30+ min of new footage some of which they are currently working on now at WETA, but definitely wouldn't be ready for the initial Blu-Ray release. (Although it seems that he is saying that most of the 30 min of footage will have unfinished CG.)
"Cameron: It will have a lot of great features, making of stuff and behind the scenes stuff. You'll be able to do a branching experience where you can select if you want to watch the basic movie, if you want to watch the movie with six minutes of footage added back in, or if you want to watch an earlier cut of the film that has 30 or 35 minutes of additional footage. It will be an unrecognizable movie. You'll be going on a journey into a whole different version of Avatar. And some of the scenes won't be done because we won't have the budget to finish 20 or 30 minutes of CG stuff. We're taking the Greatest Hits six minutes and finishing that."
http://www.collider.com/2010/03/24/james-cameron-interview-avatar-blu-ray-also-talks-titanic-3d-and-avatar-2/
"Why only include the film by itself on this edition?
Cameron: All these extraneous materials take down your bit rate. When you're a long picture like Avatar that barely fits on the disc, and you have to make room for a lot of other content, it starts to degrade the image quality. The quality, in terms of the resolution, has no noise and no grain. All of the visual elements of the picture are fantastic. Also, by the way, I have this unwritten deal with Fox that, any time one of my movies makes more than a billion dollars, we leave all the crap trailers off of the Blu-ray and DVD, as a little service to the viewer. I can't stand watching them, any more than you can."
The extended cut is said to possibly have 30+ min of new footage some of which they are currently working on now at WETA, but definitely wouldn't be ready for the initial Blu-Ray release. (Although it seems that he is saying that most of the 30 min of footage will have unfinished CG.)
"Cameron: It will have a lot of great features, making of stuff and behind the scenes stuff. You'll be able to do a branching experience where you can select if you want to watch the basic movie, if you want to watch the movie with six minutes of footage added back in, or if you want to watch an earlier cut of the film that has 30 or 35 minutes of additional footage. It will be an unrecognizable movie. You'll be going on a journey into a whole different version of Avatar. And some of the scenes won't be done because we won't have the budget to finish 20 or 30 minutes of CG stuff. We're taking the Greatest Hits six minutes and finishing that."
http://www.collider.com/2010/03/24/james-cameron-interview-avatar-blu-ray-also-talks-titanic-3d-and-avatar-2/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 19, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 19, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
I'll be happy with the "bare bones" version coming out on Thursday. I don't need any extras to satisfy myself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 05:51:22 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 05:51:22 PM
Titanic 3D? Wow, this man's ego is on another plane.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
damn i love his movies, but everytime i see a new interview or read more of his comments i hate him even more. He isnt on the same planet as everybody else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
Titanic 3D isn't all that surprising considering it was the previous record holder at the BO. It's not really an ego issue as much as a calculated business move.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 09:16:19 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 09:16:19 PM
By the way in reference to my previous comment that wasnt directed at titanic being redone for 3D it was directed at the whole article Cellien posted and some of the things Cameron says in it. He's a big headed dick. He acts as though hes done the whole movie industry a favour and verybody should listen to him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 09:43:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 09:43:14 PM
Which parts in the interview, specifically, did you take issue with?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:06:57 PM
Comments such as saying Avatar has made people come together to discuss issues about the environment. Calm down there Bono.
His comments about the filmmakers sitting back and not fighting for the best equipment no matter how expensive, and about how everyone waited to see if he was going to fail and now they all look stupid. What hes got to remember is most directors arent lucky enough to be in his position where the studios will throw money at you and let you do what you want. Most directors havnt got that luxury and hes talk like its easy to get the studio to bow donw to your wishes, but in reality for alot of directors it just isnt. Hes one of the lucky ones whos made some of the biggest blockbusters of all time and ever since Terminator hes never had a dud on his hands. Thats made things considerably easier for him and he shouldnt compare that to other directors and put them down as a result. Hes a jackass.
His comments about the filmmakers sitting back and not fighting for the best equipment no matter how expensive, and about how everyone waited to see if he was going to fail and now they all look stupid. What hes got to remember is most directors arent lucky enough to be in his position where the studios will throw money at you and let you do what you want. Most directors havnt got that luxury and hes talk like its easy to get the studio to bow donw to your wishes, but in reality for alot of directors it just isnt. Hes one of the lucky ones whos made some of the biggest blockbusters of all time and ever since Terminator hes never had a dud on his hands. Thats made things considerably easier for him and he shouldnt compare that to other directors and put them down as a result. Hes a jackass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 19, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 19, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Modesty is not one of his strengths.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
Indeed. He's confident.
The ones claiming that this movie was going to be a BO failure do look stupid now though. They obviously had no clue what they were talking about and just spouted some sensational BS. Others just hoped it would fail and went on Internet Crusades trolling around saying it's going to bomb. They also look stupid now. :)
The ones claiming that this movie was going to be a BO failure do look stupid now though. They obviously had no clue what they were talking about and just spouted some sensational BS. Others just hoped it would fail and went on Internet Crusades trolling around saying it's going to bomb. They also look stupid now. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
Im not really bothered though if his films remain good. theres plenty of musicians i cant bloody stand but ill happily listen to their music. He can be an arrogant, over-confident prick for all i care.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 19, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Yeah, there's so many times I kick myself in the ass for researching more about a musician or actor just to find out I'd completely hate them in person. :P
As for Cameron, I'm sure he's a dick. It's been said he is since early in his career - I've just become accustom to hearing it.
As for Cameron, I'm sure he's a dick. It's been said he is since early in his career - I've just become accustom to hearing it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2010, 11:46:01 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2010, 11:46:01 PM
Quotefart as much as possible
Quicker for him to just talk. Same result.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 20, 2010, 01:26:58 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 20, 2010, 01:26:58 AM
So when does this "Super Edition" DVD come out?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
It kills me how the majority of the people on this board hate Cameron, yet he made one of the greatest sequels of all time in Aliens.
I would have killed myself if he directed a sequel to Predator.
Alien fans, pshhh.....
I would have killed myself if he directed a sequel to Predator.
Alien fans, pshhh.....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 20, 2010, 03:04:08 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 20, 2010, 03:04:08 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
It kills me how the majority of the people on this board hate Cameron, yet he made one of the greatest sequels of all time in Aliens.
In your opinion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:20:25 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:20:25 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
It kills me how the majority of the people on this board hate Cameron, yet he made one of the greatest sequels of all time in Aliens.
I would have killed myself if he directed a sequel to Predator.
Alien fans, pshhh.....
Just because you enjoy or respect someone's work, doesn't mean you can't criticize them or dislike them as human beings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:21:53 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:21:53 AM
You guys are on drugs :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:26:55 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:26:55 AM
Yeah. You want some?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
No thanks, I want to still appreciate a true cinematic classic instead of cry and complain:
"Oh he just copied the first alien."
"He turned them into insects who are stooopid, dur."<--just because they displayed a hive mentality doesn't mean they are dumb
"I hate when someone does something different, ...wheeeheehehehehe I pee my pants."
"Oh he just copied the first alien."
"He turned them into insects who are stooopid, dur."<--just because they displayed a hive mentality doesn't mean they are dumb
"I hate when someone does something different, ...wheeeheehehehehe I pee my pants."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:30:31 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:30:31 AM
Ooh, let's not drag a debate about Aliens into this. It'll be off-topic for weeks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:31:38 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:31:38 AM
Good idea, besides I am right anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:33:11 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:33:11 AM
You just continue thinking that. By the way, if you think I'm a Cameron or Aliens hater, I'm not. I simply don't enjoy all of his films, Avatar being one of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 20, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 20, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 19, 2010, 11:46:01 PMQuotefart as much as possible
Quicker for him to just talk. Same result.
Hah!
Sh*t just rolls off his tongue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 20, 2010, 05:07:02 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 20, 2010, 05:07:02 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:20:25 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
It kills me how the majority of the people on this board hate Cameron, yet he made one of the greatest sequels of all time in Aliens.
I would have killed myself if he directed a sequel to Predator.
Alien fans, pshhh.....
Just because you enjoy or respect someone's work, doesn't mean you can't criticize them or dislike them as human beings.
wow didnt think it was possible to dislike someone because of theyre personality if i havent met them before?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 10:34:18 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 10:34:18 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
No thanks, I want to still appreciate a true cinematic classic instead of cry and complain:
"Oh he just copied the first alien."
"He turned them into insects who are stooopid, dur."<--just because they displayed a hive mentality doesn't mean they are dumb
"I hate when someone does something different, ...wheeeheehehehehe I pee my pants."
None of us were saying that. I love all of Camerons films, especially Terminator 1 & 2, The Abyss, True Lies and Aliens but i still cant stand the man because of the things he says in interviews and the way he acts and views his own importance.
Another good example is Pete Docherty. I happen to really like some of the songs he wrote while in the Libertines but I dont like the man himself. Hes a horrible, drug addled tramp who cancelled mroe gigs than he actually played and disapointed alot of fans on many occassions. He's an arsehole but i still like his music.
You missed the point of the discussion over the last few pages. Most of us like or even love his films, but dont care for the man himself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Off-topic, but, aren't The Libertines headlining one of the stages at Glasto' this year?
I'd like to see him try and cancel that gig!
I'd like to see him try and cancel that gig!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 20, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 20, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Off-topic, but, aren't The Libertines headlining one of the stages at Glasto' this year?
I'd like to see him try and cancel that gig!
i don't think he's in the libertines anymore is he? i thought he left and made a new band.
i looked it up and apparently he did leave but they are reforming for Leeds and Reading Festivals, not Glasto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Doherty#The_Libertines
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, I new I heard something along those lines from someone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
Yes theyre reforming for a one off gig at leeds and reading. I''ll probably ending up seeing them because im going to leeds. Dont know who else is on at the same time yet though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 03:23:30 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 03:23:30 AM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 10:34:18 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
No thanks, I want to still appreciate a true cinematic classic instead of cry and complain:
"Oh he just copied the first alien."
"He turned them into insects who are stooopid, dur."<--just because they displayed a hive mentality doesn't mean they are dumb
"I hate when someone does something different, ...wheeeheehehehehe I pee my pants."
None of us were saying that. I love all of Camerons films, especially Terminator 1 & 2, The Abyss, True Lies and Aliens but i still cant stand the man because of the things he says in interviews and the way he acts and views his own importance.
Another good example is Pete Docherty. I happen to really like some of the songs he wrote while in the Libertines but I dont like the man himself. Hes a horrible, drug addled tramp who cancelled mroe gigs than he actually played and disapointed alot of fans on many occassions. He's an arsehole but i still like his music.
You missed the point of the discussion over the last few pages. Most of us like or even love his films, but dont care for the man himself.
I was watching a documentary on him for Reelz Channel (basically a channel that focuses on movies) and he basically said (I can't remember word for word) that in the movie buisness especially as a director you have to act like an asshole or people will walk over you. Deep down, I think Cameron is a good guy and no doubt one of the greatest directors in a long time (I think he is one of the best ever) and loves directing....he just acts this way so noone steps over him.
Just imagine him directing X-Men Origins: Wolverine...do you think the studio would have done to him what they did to the director of the film? No. Cameron would have told them to shove it.
Pete Dorherty is stinky...really he looks like he smells.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 03:24:12 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 03:24:12 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Apr 20, 2010, 05:07:02 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:20:25 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
It kills me how the majority of the people on this board hate Cameron, yet he made one of the greatest sequels of all time in Aliens.
I would have killed myself if he directed a sequel to Predator.
Alien fans, pshhh.....
Just because you enjoy or respect someone's work, doesn't mean you can't criticize them or dislike them as human beings.
wow didnt think it was possible to dislike someone because of theyre personality if i havent met them before?
I wasn't talking about myself, or even James Cameron, simply artists in general.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 03:34:03 AM
Post by: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 03:34:03 AM
Quoteyou have to act like an asshole or people will walk over you.
I like Cameron's attitude. To be honest, I like confident, arrogant, inflated egos generally much more than the assertive, self-pitying whiners.
Godspeed to you, Jimmie!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 21, 2010, 03:36:57 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 21, 2010, 03:36:57 AM
I hate both.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
Don't often hear about guys like Jackson, Spielberg, or Lucas being arrogant shits to their cast and crew...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2010, 05:29:01 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2010, 05:29:01 AM
Lucas doesn't need to worry about people walking over him, though. He can do what he wants when he wants if he wants.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 05:36:31 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 05:36:31 AM
But, from all accounts, he wasn't a prick before he was in the that position.
And pixels don't hurt when they walk over you. ;D
And pixels don't hurt when they walk over you. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2010, 05:40:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2010, 05:40:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 05:36:31 AMBut he was walked over :P
But, from all accounts, he wasn't a prick before he was in the that position.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 05:45:51 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2010, 05:45:51 AM
By whom?
Darth Vader? Mutha'ucka walks over everyone!
Darth Vader? Mutha'ucka walks over everyone!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:56:24 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:56:24 AM
mutha ucka, uckin wi ma shi
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 21, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: YutaniDitch on Apr 21, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 03:23:30 AMQuote from: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 10:34:18 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Apr 20, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
No thanks, I want to still appreciate a true cinematic classic instead of cry and complain:
"Oh he just copied the first alien."
"He turned them into insects who are stooopid, dur."<--just because they displayed a hive mentality doesn't mean they are dumb
"I hate when someone does something different, ...wheeeheehehehehe I pee my pants."
None of us were saying that. I love all of Camerons films, especially Terminator 1 & 2, The Abyss, True Lies and Aliens but i still cant stand the man because of the things he says in interviews and the way he acts and views his own importance.
Another good example is Pete Docherty. I happen to really like some of the songs he wrote while in the Libertines but I dont like the man himself. Hes a horrible, drug addled tramp who cancelled mroe gigs than he actually played and disapointed alot of fans on many occassions. He's an arsehole but i still like his music.
You missed the point of the discussion over the last few pages. Most of us like or even love his films, but dont care for the man himself.
I was watching a documentary on him for Reelz Channel (basically a channel that focuses on movies) and he basically said (I can't remember word for word) that in the movie buisness especially as a director you have to act like an asshole or people will walk over you. Deep down, I think Cameron is a good guy and no doubt one of the greatest directors in a long time (I think he is one of the best ever) and loves directing....he just acts this way so noone steps over him.
Cameron is really showing he's full of it... Paul Anderson is the direct opposite to him (courteous, polite, a gentleman) and he gets all he needs from his actors and did an Alien movie as well, without all the fuss Cameron did on his... PA doesn't need to act as an a-hole to survive in the business, as JC so erroneously puts it...
So, that is just another lame excuse from JC, trying and failing ever so miserably to try to explain why he's rude and egomaniac all the time...As I was sure he would... Only arrogant people make up excuses like that...
I love some of his movies, but he is like José Mourinho, the Portuguese soccer coach from Internazionale: all his achievements don't account for his total lack of manners, his arrogance, his rudeness and his ever-present willingness to create controversy and a climate of aggressiveness... People should either learn to deal with success or just give it up altogether... being an arse about it just shows they cannot deal with it...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
I am just telling you what Cameron said. To a certain extent, I agree with him. You can't let people walk over you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
Jose Mourinho is whole other kettle of fish though. He knows hes being an arrogant prick and he plays on it deliberately to the media. Half the time he's smirking when he comes out with some of the stuff he says. He knows he'll get a rise out of it and he thinks its funny. Hes playing the journalists at their own game and giving them exactly what they want, and he's actually really funny to watch. I was gutted when he left Chelsea because the Premiership is duller without him.
Cameron on the other hand is doing it for laughs or for kicks like Mourinho does, he's deadly serious about it, whereas as Jose flat out takes the piss on purpose.
Cameron on the other hand is doing it for laughs or for kicks like Mourinho does, he's deadly serious about it, whereas as Jose flat out takes the piss on purpose.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 02:15:09 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 02:15:09 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:56:24 AM
mutha ucka, uckin wi ma shi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-P4LssMsI
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
^^^^someones on the ball
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 21, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
I am just telling you what Cameron said. To a certain extent, I agree with him. You can't let people walk over you.
Doesn't mean you have to be a self-indulgent bastard to everyone. I treat people with courtesy and respect but if you disrespect me, then naturally I'll be an asshole towards you.
Gotta love Satanism...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Post by: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
QuoteGotta love Satanism...
More like LaVeyanism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 21, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 21, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
So what do you guys think about this?
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=65366
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=65366
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
I wouldn't mind watching it. I'd like to see Pandora's underwater fauna.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Sorry to bing it up again but he even came across as a dick at the end of that. It was as if he thought Alice, Clash etc had no right to take away "his" 3D screenings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 07:44:53 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Sorry to bing it up again but he even came across as a dick at the end of that. It was as if he thought Alice, Clash etc had no right to take away "his" 3D screenings.
He's acting like he invented 3D. But he didn't. Other directors should be aloud to use 3D if they want to, and not pander to "the king of the world".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
God, still smells like butthurt around here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
Its like when he constantly whines theyre not using it properly or theyre not going about it the right way. He may be right, but films have always been like that. Cutting corners, some productions being cheaper than others and not necessarily caring as much for quality. Weve always had that situation and he acts like its only started now with "his" 3D revolution and I think he lets himself get too annoyed by it and he takes it personally. Chillout Jim all you should care about is your own movies. Leave the rest to churn out shit, no need to get your knickers in a twist :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 07:53:28 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 07:53:28 PM
:D
Well said, good sir!
Well said, good sir!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 08:16:42 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Sorry to bing it up again but he even came across as a dick at the end of that. It was as if he thought Alice, Clash etc had no right to take away "his" 3D screenings.
I noticed that too. Meh, big ego is big.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
Wait, you're faulting him for resenting the fact that movies that didn't do 3D the right way, pushed his movie out of theaters?
Pfffftt lolololololololol
Pfffftt lolololololololol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
No im faulting him for acting like a spoiled child who thinks the whole movie business should revolve around him and for suggesting he should have priority over others.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
I remember being like that; I believe I was 5.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:35:37 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
No im faulting him for acting like a spoiled child who thinks the whole movie business should revolve around him and for suggesting he should have priority over others.
Why shouldn't he?
You don't make money by being a nice guy. This thread reeks of naivety.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
Bill Gates: former richest man in the world. He gives all of his profits to charity. All of them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
Thats exactly the way he comes across. A huffy child. In Camerons case....... Waaaah I want my toy back, I dont want to let my brother have a turn......has become Waaaah theyve taken my film off to let OTHERS have their turn.
It made over a Billion dollars, its going to have 2 seperate DVD/Blu Ray releases and its going back to the theaters in the summer with the extra 6 minutes. Why does he still seem bitter? Hes made several of the most succesful films of all time including Avatar (which I loved by the way) and yet he still gets hung up on other films instead of ignoring the other shit thats going on and being proud of his own achievement without belittling others and complaining.
So Directors like Steven Spielberg havnt made money and been hugely successful without going on the way he does? I understand your point about being a mr nice guy but even when hes achieved everything he possibly can, and his movie is a resounding success, hes still complaining and whinging. He acts like a greedy spoiled child always wanting more. Its not naivety at all, hes an arrogant prick. End of.
It made over a Billion dollars, its going to have 2 seperate DVD/Blu Ray releases and its going back to the theaters in the summer with the extra 6 minutes. Why does he still seem bitter? Hes made several of the most succesful films of all time including Avatar (which I loved by the way) and yet he still gets hung up on other films instead of ignoring the other shit thats going on and being proud of his own achievement without belittling others and complaining.
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:35:37 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
No im faulting him for acting like a spoiled child who thinks the whole movie business should revolve around him and for suggesting he should have priority over others.
Why shouldn't he?
You don't make money by being a nice guy. This thread reeks of naivety.
So Directors like Steven Spielberg havnt made money and been hugely successful without going on the way he does? I understand your point about being a mr nice guy but even when hes achieved everything he possibly can, and his movie is a resounding success, hes still complaining and whinging. He acts like a greedy spoiled child always wanting more. Its not naivety at all, hes an arrogant prick. End of.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 09:39:30 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 09:39:30 PM
I think with having the highest grossing movie of all time, he would be less of a narcissist. The mans in love with himself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
So Directors like Steven Spielberg havnt made money and been hugely successful without going on the way he does? Its not naivety at all, hes an arrogant prick. End of.
Enjoy
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:44:02 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:44:02 PM
Whats Kingdom of The Crystal Skull got to do with Spielberg as a person?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
Maybe if he was more assertive, or the term that you guys like to throw around, asshole, he may have had the stones to tell George to f**k off when it came to ants, monkeys, and aliens.
Spielberg has weight to throw around, and for some reason, he didn't.
Spielberg has weight to throw around, and for some reason, he didn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:58:42 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 09:58:42 PM
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Youre arguing about something completely different that we are speaking of. Films content or what a director chooses to allow in his film has no bearing on Cameron acting like a spoiled child AFTER the film is finished and become massively successful.
Youre arguing about something completely different that we are speaking of. Films content or what a director chooses to allow in his film has no bearing on Cameron acting like a spoiled child AFTER the film is finished and become massively successful.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
You called Cameron an arrogant prick. As I stated, maybe him being assertive is the KEY TO HIS SUCCESS.
His way or the highway. As I said again, maybe Steve could have been a little more assertive during preproduction.
We're talking about the supposed attitude of these filmmakers, and that effect on their films. Like I said in an ealier post, I'd be pissed too if some half ass attempt at 3D kicked a worthwhile film out of theaters.
His way or the highway. As I said again, maybe Steve could have been a little more assertive during preproduction.
We're talking about the supposed attitude of these filmmakers, and that effect on their films. Like I said in an ealier post, I'd be pissed too if some half ass attempt at 3D kicked a worthwhile film out of theaters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
We're talking about the supposed attitude of these filmmakers, and that effect on their films. Like I said in an ealier post, I'd be pissed too if some half ass attempt at 3D kicked a worthwhile film out of theaters.
And I would say to that, who the f**k died and made you king of cinema?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
And I would say to that, who the f**k died and made you king of cinema?
If you're saying that AIW and COTT weren't half assed attempts, then you're a fool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:14:58 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:14:58 PM
That's not the point. The point is, he's bitching and whining about his film being pushed aside when he's already broken box office records, including his own just because other films didn't use 3D to the same extent/effect he did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
That IS the point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 10:18:11 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 21, 2010, 10:18:11 PM
But he didn't create 3D. Why should he give two shits, if other filmmakers use that process? Instead he's acting like a child.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:19:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
That IS the point.
How?? He's complaining about his film being put aside for others. Are you deliberately ignoring this fact?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
Who said he created 3D?
He USED IT the correct way. But then what happened? Avatar gets pushed out of theaters, and the troves of people who see the new 3D movies think it will be like Avatar, and go see it, and are utterly disappointed because of the shitty "conversion process".
If you're a fan of film, that should piss you off too.
PUSHED ASIDE FOR FILMS THAT DON'T DESERVE 3D SHOWINGS BECAUSE OF THE HALF ASSED CONVERSION PROCESS. People payed 12.50 for a 2 hour showing of blurry eye numbing shit.
You know how many people I knew that wished they'd gotten their money back after seeing those movies? Hell, there's a reason why even in the new Resident Evil trailer, they even dedicate a part of the trailer to saying "using the same technology as James Cameron for Avatar" or something like that.
It's like talking to brick walls around here.
He USED IT the correct way. But then what happened? Avatar gets pushed out of theaters, and the troves of people who see the new 3D movies think it will be like Avatar, and go see it, and are utterly disappointed because of the shitty "conversion process".
If you're a fan of film, that should piss you off too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:19:27 PMQuote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
That IS the point.
How?? He's complaining about his film being put aside for others. Are you deliberately ignoring this fact?
PUSHED ASIDE FOR FILMS THAT DON'T DESERVE 3D SHOWINGS BECAUSE OF THE HALF ASSED CONVERSION PROCESS. People payed 12.50 for a 2 hour showing of blurry eye numbing shit.
You know how many people I knew that wished they'd gotten their money back after seeing those movies? Hell, there's a reason why even in the new Resident Evil trailer, they even dedicate a part of the trailer to saying "using the same technology as James Cameron for Avatar" or something like that.
It's like talking to brick walls around here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:31:55 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:31:55 PM
Ditto
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:33:26 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:33:26 PM
Except that I elaborate on my points, can't say much for the rest of you.
DURR JAMES CAMERON IS ASSHOLE. D:<
DURR JAMES CAMERON IS ASSHOLE. D:<
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:24:39 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:19:27 PMQuote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
That IS the point.
How?? He's complaining about his film being put aside for others. Are you deliberately ignoring this fact?
PUSHED ASIDE FOR FILMS THAT DON'T DESERVE 3D SHOWINGS BECAUSE OF THE HALF ASSED CONVERSION PROCESS. People payed 12.50 for a 2 hour showing of blurry eye numbing shit.
You know how many people I knew that wished they'd gotten their money back after seeing those movies? Hell, there's a reason why even in the new Resident Evil trailer, they even dedicate a part of the trailer to saying "using the same technology as James Cameron for Avatar" or something like that.
It's like talking to brick walls around here.
And in your case, a blind fanboy.
Whether or not AIW or COTT were half-assed attempts is neither here nor there. Cameron does not like the fact that his film was taken out of theatres because other films wanted screentime for 3D purposes. If they didn't take the technology to the same level, then that's their problem. That doesn't mean Cameron is justified in bitching about it, especially when he doesn't have the exclusive right to judge other movies in comparison to his.
It's not up to him to decide whether or not the films deserve the 3D showings. If he doesn't like it, tough cheese. It's that simple.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 09:48:11 PMMaybe if he was more assertive, or the term that you guys like to throw around, asshole, he may have had the stones to tell George to f**k off when it came to ants, monkeys, and aliens.
Spielberg has weight to throw around, and for some reason, he didn't.
How do you know Spielberg didn't want the aliens as much as Lucas?
And not that it really has anything to do with it, but wheter Spielberg wanted aliens or not they still ended up with a way better movie than Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
And in your case, a blind fanboy.
Nice try, but I understand that he loves money
QuoteWhether or not AIW or COTT were half-assed attempts is neither here nor there.
Oh, but it is. Studios duping people into seeing the movie because of the 3D stamp.
QuoteThat doesn't mean Cameron is justified in bitching about it, especially when he doesn't have the exclusive right to judge other movies in comparison to his.
Who is the fanboy now? How is he NOT justified? Tell me that. I am eagerly waiting.
QuoteIt's not up to him to decide whether or not the films deserve the 3D showings. If he doesn't like it, tough cheese. It's that simple.
And you guys are all pissy because of that fact. He knows he can't control that, but you don't like the fact that he actually has something to say. lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:43:16 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:43:16 PM
Exactly. Arguing about the "proper" use of 3D is just as pointless as saying one film has poorer cheaper CGI and so it doesnt deserve to be on the big screen over something that had a bigger budget to do so. Thats essentially what Cameron is crying about. That "lesser" films have been given a chance. But who is he, or anybody to decide what films should or shouldnt be in our cinemas. I agree with you CELTIC that these half assed attempts at converting to 3D is all about jumping on the bandwagon and I too think its a load of shite, but I dont think these films should have to give way to others because of it.
Why shouldnt a £30 million movie get a chance just because a £300 million movie did it better. Thats essentially what Cameron is complainign about. Mines better so they can f**k off. At a basic level thats what his complaints boil down to. I did it better so you should all bow down to me,admit im right and if you dont you shouldnt be allowed to have your movie in the same theatre as my movie. He's essentially implying that everytime he opens his mouth on the subject and its irksome.
Who says everbody has to want to do what Cameron does. and youve got to also remember that not all directors/studios/films ahve the kind of budget and limitless funds Cameron had available.
Im not pissy that he has something to say at all. I would tend to agree with that what studios are doing is bad. Its more in the way he chooses to articulate his views. He comes across like its personal to him, that these cheap tactics used by others is a slight against him and he takes huffs like a child would as a result. He wont accept that everything doesnt revolve around him but he seems to think it does and as a result he takes it personally. I just cant believe a man who has been so successful and has made such fantastic movies is still bitter. sit back and chill and enjoy your spoils jim lad and dont gte so worked up. Thats my point.
Why shouldnt a £30 million movie get a chance just because a £300 million movie did it better. Thats essentially what Cameron is complainign about. Mines better so they can f**k off. At a basic level thats what his complaints boil down to. I did it better so you should all bow down to me,admit im right and if you dont you shouldnt be allowed to have your movie in the same theatre as my movie. He's essentially implying that everytime he opens his mouth on the subject and its irksome.
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
Who says everbody has to want to do what Cameron does. and youve got to also remember that not all directors/studios/films ahve the kind of budget and limitless funds Cameron had available.
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
And you guys are all pissy because of that fact. He knows he can't control that, but you don't like the fact that he actually has something to say. lol
Im not pissy that he has something to say at all. I would tend to agree with that what studios are doing is bad. Its more in the way he chooses to articulate his views. He comes across like its personal to him, that these cheap tactics used by others is a slight against him and he takes huffs like a child would as a result. He wont accept that everything doesnt revolve around him but he seems to think it does and as a result he takes it personally. I just cant believe a man who has been so successful and has made such fantastic movies is still bitter. sit back and chill and enjoy your spoils jim lad and dont gte so worked up. Thats my point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
A glimmer of hope. Finally.
Quote from: Shasvre on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
How do you know Spielberg didn't want the aliens as much as Lucas?
I don't know that. But if the same guy who gave us the chases in Raiders and Crusade, gave the OK stamp on silly ass sword fights and monkey swinging, I'm kinda saddened.
QuoteAnd not that it really has anything to do with it, but wheter Spielberg wanted aliens or not they still ended up with a way better movie than Avatar.
LOL no.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 21, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 21, 2010, 10:45:44 PMQuote from: Shasvre on Apr 21, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
How do you know Spielberg didn't want the aliens as much as Lucas?
I don't know that. But if the same guy who gave us the chases in Raiders and Crusade, gave the OK stamp on silly ass sword fights and monkey swinging, I'm kinda saddened.
As am I. He doesn't seem to be as good as he used to be. Of course, neither does Cameron.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:43:16 PMQuote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
Who says everbody has to want to do what Cameron does. and youve got to also remember that not all directors/studios/films ahve the kind of budget and limitless funds Cameron had available.
It just boils down to Cameron's trying to push 3D. The 3D technology he uses involves shooting and developing a film in full 3D over an extensive period of time. This is an evolutionary step in film making. If you slap 3D onto your film a few months before your release, just for a few extra bucks...this isn't advancing anything, if anything it's just smearing the name of what Cameron's trying to introduce.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
and im not denying that. far from it. that was never an issue for me. its just the way cameron bitches and moans about it like everybody owes him something and theyre throwing it back in his face. nobody owes him anything nor do they have to share his same vision. Cameron seems to think that films that dont share his vision dont have a right to be there and thats why he annoys me.
Its the equivalent of a football manager of a top team saying that the other teams who arent on the same level as them dont deserve to be in the same league. Utter nonsense.
Its the equivalent of a football manager of a top team saying that the other teams who arent on the same level as them dont deserve to be in the same league. Utter nonsense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
Well if you're arguing that then it comes down to personal preference, which is fine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
thats all this ever was. I love his films I just dont like the man himself. nothing anybody says is going to change that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:43:16 PMQuote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
Who says everbody has to want to do what Cameron does. and youve got to also remember that not all directors/studios/films ahve the kind of budget and limitless funds Cameron had available.
It just boils down to Cameron's trying to push 3D. The 3D technology he uses involves shooting and developing a film in full 3D over an extensive period of time. This is an evolutionary step in film making. If you slap 3D onto your film a few months before your release, just for a few extra bucks...this isn't advancing anything, if anything it's just smearing the name of what Cameron's trying to introduce.
Pushing the envelope is good, but when a guy starts crying because other films are getting attention, it's just pathetic. That's what I'm taking issue with.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 21, 2010, 11:31:33 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 21, 2010, 11:31:33 PM
f**k 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 11:40:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 11:40:07 PM
TYA, now you're just being ridiculous.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 11:15:28 PMQuote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: Keg on Apr 21, 2010, 10:43:16 PMQuote from: Aeus on Apr 21, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
He can 'bitch' all he wants. He's trying to advance the technical aspects of cinema, that's what Avatar is largely about. Taking the method he's using to advance cinema, and using it in some half-arsed manner isn't pushing any kind of advancement, and is completely contrary to what he's trying to achieve.
Who says everbody has to want to do what Cameron does. and youve got to also remember that not all directors/studios/films ahve the kind of budget and limitless funds Cameron had available.
It just boils down to Cameron's trying to push 3D. The 3D technology he uses involves shooting and developing a film in full 3D over an extensive period of time. This is an evolutionary step in film making. If you slap 3D onto your film a few months before your release, just for a few extra bucks...this isn't advancing anything, if anything it's just smearing the name of what Cameron's trying to introduce.
Pushing the envelope is good, but when a guy starts crying because other films are getting attention, it's just pathetic. That's what I'm taking issue with.
But that's not why he's 'crying'. He's crying because everything he strived to achieve with Avatar is being smeared by these films. If you guys took off your 'I hate Cameron glasses' for a second you'd realize this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
What a f**king whine.
How are other films "smearing" Avatar for f**ks sake? It stands or falls on it's own merits (or lack thereof). Punter will judge his film and the others accordingly. If he wants to say their 3D is shitty - fair enough. Just as how it's fair enough for others to call him a self absorbed tool if they so wish.
Fundies... what are you gunna do...
How are other films "smearing" Avatar for f**ks sake? It stands or falls on it's own merits (or lack thereof). Punter will judge his film and the others accordingly. If he wants to say their 3D is shitty - fair enough. Just as how it's fair enough for others to call him a self absorbed tool if they so wish.
Fundies... what are you gunna do...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 12:20:48 AM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
What a f**king whine.
How are other films "smearing" Avatar for f**ks sake? It stands or falls on it's own merits (or lack thereof).
Try reading. They're smearing everything it's trying to achieve, which is push 3D and show what it can really do. To do this you gotta work on your film for quite a while...Have they? No. Did they release with 3D anyway? Yes. Shitty product marketing itself as something it's not, thus tarnishing the name of the technology.
Quote
Punter will judge his film and the others accordingly. If he wants to say their 3D is shitty - fair enough. Just as how it's fair enough for others to call him a self absorbed tool if they so wish.
Thats fine, but putting out a dodgy product thats more likely to put a roadblock in the way of advancing 3D... Is a f**king dick move, no matter which way you slice it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:32:00 AM
QuoteTry reading.
Ooohhh... I be so burnded.... ::)
QuoteThey're smearing everything it's trying to achieve, which is push 3D and show what it can really do.To do this you gotta work on your film for quite a while...Have they? No. Did they release with 3D anyway? Yes. Shitty product marketing itself as something it's not, thus tarnishing the name of the technology.
So what? Cameron make think he's King of the World - doesn't make it so. If some other producer/ director wants to 3D-ify their film - it's none of Cameron's business. If he is in fact, correct, the audience will vote with their feet, and he'll be vindicated. If not not, stiff shit.
He didn't invent 3D - he just took someone elses idea and built on it. Which he's built a career on. He'd look like less of a dick if he simply shut-up let the audience decide. And since Clash of the Titans won't come near Avatar's business they have decided.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 12:41:01 AM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 12:41:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:32:00 AMQuoteThey're smearing everything it's trying to achieve, which is push 3D and show what it can really do.To do this you gotta work on your film for quite a while...Have they? No. Did they release with 3D anyway? Yes. Shitty product marketing itself as something it's not, thus tarnishing the name of the technology.
So what? Cameron make think he's King of the World - doesn't make it so. If some other producer/ director wants to 3D-ify their film - it's none of Cameron's business.
Well that comes down to personal principles. If someone's laziness and greed was potentially going to f**k with my goals, then a little smack talk here and there is fair game IMO.
Quote
He didn't invent 3D - he just took someone elses idea and built on it. Which he's built a career on. He'd look like less of a dick if he simply shut-up let the audience decide. And since Clash of the Titans won't come near Avatar's business they have decided.
Yeah but Clash sets an example to other filmmakers even if it doesn't make Avatar numbers. It simply says to them that if you slap 3D into your film for minimal effort you're gonna get more numbers coming your way. It all adds up, and if the punters keep getting shitty 3D product the interest in it will fall and 3D will remain an occasional occurrence rather than a constant thing. Of course this is speculation, but it's worrying enough to justify Camerons bitch talk, at least in my eyes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:44:35 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:44:35 AM
QuoteIf someone's laziness and greed was potentially going to f**k with my goals, then a little smack talk here and there is fair game IMO.
Cameron probably learned that trick from Harlan Ellison. The hard way.
And if 3D-ified films don't make big money, studios will stop investing in them. Just like they've done every other time 3D has been tried throughout cinema history.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 01:13:17 AM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 22, 2010, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 12:44:35 AMQuoteIf someone's laziness and greed was potentially going to f**k with my goals, then a little smack talk here and there is fair game IMO.
Cameron probably learned that trick from Harlan Ellison. The hard way.
And if 3D-ified films don't make big money, studios will stop investing in them. Just like they've done every other time 3D has been tried throughout cinema history.
I'd argue 3D hasn't ever been done as well as it has in Avatar. I mean say you want about the weak plot and characters, but the 3D was incredible. It's something I'd definitely like to see more of.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
No one is denying the effects were incredible. But for Cameron to say the other movies are ruining his film is senseless directorial wanking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 01:27:12 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2010, 01:27:12 AM
Quite.
And to be honest I would've preferred more 3D stuff coming out of the screen from time to time. Not ridiculously so like Brendan Fraser's yo-yo in Journey to the Centre of the Earth, but now and then.
And to be honest I would've preferred more 3D stuff coming out of the screen from time to time. Not ridiculously so like Brendan Fraser's yo-yo in Journey to the Centre of the Earth, but now and then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 22, 2010, 05:04:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 22, 2010, 05:04:29 AM
Cameron bitching about other 3D movies using 3D as a gimmick makes about as much f**king sense as George Lucas bitching about movies being filmed on HD digital cameras that look like they were filmed on HD digital cameras.
Alternatively it makes about as much sense as a writer bitching about Cameron's writing and complaining that Cameron's ruining it for the rest of them.
So what. Move on.
Alternatively it makes about as much sense as a writer bitching about Cameron's writing and complaining that Cameron's ruining it for the rest of them.
So what. Move on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Puks on Apr 22, 2010, 06:06:53 AM
Post by: Puks on Apr 22, 2010, 06:06:53 AM
245 pages? Really?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 22, 2010, 12:20:53 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 22, 2010, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 22, 2010, 06:06:53 AMThis is what you obtain when you talk about floating mountains passing through evolution and religious belief with a spice of discussion about sci and fi percentage.
245 pages? Really?
Esoecially when you got Yutani's posts which fill 70% of a page. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2010, 12:26:42 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2010, 12:26:42 PM
Sooo, lets put aside all of the fighting, because today is the day! I'm getting my copy later! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Apr 22, 2010, 02:04:32 PM
Post by: Razz on Apr 22, 2010, 02:04:32 PM
Can't wait to get my Blu Ray copy monday. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Post by: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Was at my local Walmart last night and they had it, but for 24.99, I would of bought it but not for that much when every other store has it for like 19.99. Thats for the blu ray btw. I may wait till November to get it when the director's cut comes out. Don't feel like double dipping this movie. I will rent for now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
I don't plan on getting it. It was a pretty good movie; not worth buying, however.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 02:58:05 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2010, 05:04:29 AM
So what. Move on.
:D On this forum? I wish! There are so many threads that never move on and haven't in years. Everything here that is about a movie discussion is fueled by strong opinions and rarely anything more and loops indefinitely. :P
Quote from: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Was at my local Walmart last night and they had it, but for 24.99, I would of bought it but not for that much when every other store has it for like 19.99. Thats for the blu ray btw. I may wait till November to get it when the director's cut comes out. Don't feel like double dipping this movie. I will rent for now.
I wasn't going to get it, but I buy multiple versions of movies I enjoy quite often so I will probably end up getting this one. More of a collector thing I suppose, a hobby if you will. I hear the picture quality was a prime focus and is going to be a high bitrate encode, so it's got me curious. :) I figure it will make it easy for family this coming X-mas when they ask what I want, I'll just tell them Avatar 4-disc set and Alien Quad (on Blu-Ray of course). :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Post by: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
QuoteI wasn't going to get it, but I buy multiple versions of movies I enjoy quite often so I will probably end up getting this one. More of a collector thing I suppose, a hobby if you will. I hear the picture quality was a prime focus and is going to be a high bitrate encode, so it's got me curious. I figure it will make it easy for family this coming X-mas when they ask what I want, I'll just tell them Avatar 4-disc set and Alien Quad (on Blu-Ray of course).
I heard the picture quality is the best go to http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Avatar-Blu-ray-User-Reviews/7847/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Bring on Monday! Can't wait for my copy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 05:59:11 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 05:59:11 PM
I'll get it...but only because Stephen Lang was a total badass. That's one of the redeeming qualities, or aspects of the film that I liked. Lang played an awesome villain.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 22, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 22, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: bleau on Apr 22, 2010, 03:15:22 PMQuoteI wasn't going to get it, but I buy multiple versions of movies I enjoy quite often so I will probably end up getting this one. More of a collector thing I suppose, a hobby if you will. I hear the picture quality was a prime focus and is going to be a high bitrate encode, so it's got me curious. I figure it will make it easy for family this coming X-mas when they ask what I want, I'll just tell them Avatar 4-disc set and Alien Quad (on Blu-Ray of course).
I heard the picture quality is the best go to http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Avatar-Blu-ray-User-Reviews/7847/
Yeah the picture is really nice looking, good colors, looks really good on my Beamer, i would say even better than in theaters.
Audio is good too. Got it for 12,99 € yesterday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 07:10:13 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 07:10:13 PM
http://media.wgaw.org/audio/Cameron_Feeney.mp3
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Well seeing as i dont have a HD TV yet I'll just buy the DVD for now and by the time the second release comes around with the extra's I should have one by then so i'll get the Blu-Ray with the extras in November. Still got the same TV's In the house as 6 years ago and never gotten around to getting a HD one. Seems crazy that in the UK we still havnt even gone fully digital yet, let alone HD. We still recieve 5 channels through analogue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 07:22:40 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 22, 2010, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Well seeing as i dont have a HD TV yet I'll just buy the DVD for now and by the time the second release comes around with the extra's I should have one by then so i'll get the Blu-Ray with the extras in November. Still got the same TV's In the house as 6 years ago and never gotten around to getting a HD one. Seems crazy that in the UK we still havnt even gone fully digital yet, let alone HD. We still recieve 5 channels through analogue.
And we still have the best and most professional TV in the world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 08:41:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
I don't plan on getting it. It was a pretty good movie; not worth buying, however.
That makes two of us. I'd rather save my momney and put it towards the Alien quadrilogy BD set.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Shocking. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 22, 2010, 08:52:03 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 22, 2010, 08:52:03 PM
I bought it.
Mediocre movie, but on bluray its an orgy of the eyes.
Mediocre movie, but on bluray its an orgy of the eyes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
I haven't yet, I may later today. Buy.com's eBay store was doing it for $17.99 shipped. As soon as I was about to order, they sold out. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 22, 2010, 09:14:15 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 22, 2010, 09:14:15 PM
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/108/1085052p1.html
Cameron's Plan for Avatar 2
Cameron's Plan for Avatar 2
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
Yay, now I can look forward to massive underwater battles with evil soldiers in submarines.
*This isn't true, but it's fun to speculate!
*This isn't true, but it's fun to speculate!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 22, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Apr 22, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
The DVD transfer is as good as they said it would be.
Really wish TDK's was this good. Just another reason for me to kick my ass in gear and get a PS3 by November.
Really wish TDK's was this good. Just another reason for me to kick my ass in gear and get a PS3 by November.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 22, 2010, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 22, 2010, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 22, 2010, 02:58:05 PMI meant Cameron :P
:D On this forum? I wish! There are so many threads that never move on and haven't in years. Everything here that is about a movie discussion is fueled by strong opinions and rarely anything more and loops indefinitely. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 22, 2010, 10:01:26 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 22, 2010, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 08:41:26 PMExactly what I'm doing will get it eventually thoughQuote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
I don't plan on getting it. It was a pretty good movie; not worth buying, however.
That makes two of us. I'd rather save my momney and put it towards the Alien quadrilogy BD set.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
Bought the Blu Ray! Watching the DVD disc tomorrow! Can't wait!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenokiller on Apr 22, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
Post by: Xenokiller on Apr 22, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
has any mentioned the aliens references with "The company" as he refers to them upon his arrival. The designs of the gunships look similar to the ones in aliens. The mechs. And the motion trackers.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
I thought the ending was like a deliberate role reversal from Aliens. In Aliens we had a human in a mech suit fighting against the Queen. In Avatar we again get a human in a similar mech suit, only this time its the alien that the audience is rooting for. I saw alot of similarities to Aliens in this film, mostly do to with the military side of the story and some of the designs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:49:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:49:13 PM
You're right. Shouldn't be a surprise, either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
How ironic.
Cameron is "recycling" old ideas. :D
Cameron is "recycling" old ideas. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenokiller on Apr 22, 2010, 11:52:44 PM
Post by: Xenokiller on Apr 22, 2010, 11:52:44 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.youtube.com%2Fvi%2FuyeTXZ6NcKk%2F0.jpg&hash=55fa2f7ceced148a557c66d051cf564e5958fdc5)
Look at this and tell me that doesn't remind you of aliens. Maybe they are in the same universe?
Look at this and tell me that doesn't remind you of aliens. Maybe they are in the same universe?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 22, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
How ironic.
Cameron is "recycling" old ideas. :D
Not really, considering it's what he always does.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 22, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
It's ironic because of that whole environmentalism message he was attempting to push (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) with his film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:55:20 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2010, 11:55:20 PM
Oh he definitely pushed it. He pushed it so much it pushed me out of the theatre.
Well nearly, anyway.
Well nearly, anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 23, 2010, 12:02:37 AM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 23, 2010, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 22, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
I thought the ending was like a deliberate role reversal from Aliens. In Aliens we had a human in a mech suit fighting against the Queen. In Avatar we again get a human in a similar mech suit, only this time its the alien that the audience is rooting for. I saw alot of similarities to Aliens in this film, mostly do to with the military side of the story and some of the designs.
Not just the ending, you can look at the whole film as a role reversal. This time the aliens are the good guys and the soldiers are the bad guys.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
I still rooted for them. Anthropocentrism trumps all else!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 12:36:01 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 12:36:01 AM
And remember: Blue is Bad.
Spoiler
I considered putting "Poo" but I thought that would be childish.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:40:24 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:40:24 AM
Spoiler
I wouldn't
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 12:42:17 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 12:42:17 AM
Ossim.
Spoiler
By the way, thanks for that Lol Cat "Poopin" pic the other thread! :D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:43:04 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 12:43:04 AM
Spoiler
You're very welcome
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 01:04:23 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 01:04:23 AM
Spoiler
I haven't seen it. :(
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 23, 2010, 01:05:35 AM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 23, 2010, 01:05:35 AM
Spoiler
I can talk in secret too. ;)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 01:06:27 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 01:06:27 AM
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 01:10:54 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 23, 2010, 01:10:54 AM
Spoiler
Stop posting that. Oh, and -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnyandjokes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F08%2Fim-poopin.jpg&hash=408033be37332da8c32896faea5af237a7579ed7)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnyandjokes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F08%2Fim-poopin.jpg&hash=408033be37332da8c32896faea5af237a7579ed7)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 23, 2010, 01:12:49 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 23, 2010, 01:12:49 AM
C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
I picked up the Blu-Ray. They weren't kidding when they said it's going to focuson milking sales on a very high bitrate transfer. It's easily the best picture quality of any movie in my collection thus far.
I picked up the Blu-Ray. They weren't kidding when they said it's going to focus
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dachande on Apr 23, 2010, 01:14:08 AM
Post by: Dachande on Apr 23, 2010, 01:14:08 AM
Spoiler
Behave yourselves
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Finally got around to seeing this last night, and tbh, i dont see what all the fuss is about. Visually yeah, its pretty awesome. Story is ok, and the characters are ok. I enjoyed it more than i thought i would though. But overall i think its just really overrated kinda like TDK (Puts up flame shield). Whereas i thought TDK was Great but not OMGWTFBBQAWESOME like most others, i'd put Avatar a step lower in that its good but not great.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 02:27:54 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 02:27:54 AM
I agree with you entirely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 04:14:27 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 04:14:27 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 21, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Doesn't mean you have to be a self-indulgent bastard to everyone. I treat people with courtesy and respect but if you disrespect me, then naturally I'll be an asshole towards you.
Everyone should treat each other with courtesy and respect. I wish it was that way.
However, I imagine a young Cameron shooting Aliens for Fox. Every five seconds a producer calls him up and says, "We should change this and we should change that." Producers come to the set and want the set to look their way (kind of what they did in Wolverine Origins), or they don't like this and they want this their way. He is constantly being pestered by Producers who want this done or want that done....until you finally crack.
Cameron should be treating people with respect and being nice to everyone. I want to be a director who puts out a product where I have no cringe worthy moments at all when I watch it...and I want to be a director who is nice to everyone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 04:34:59 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 04:34:59 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.knowyourmeme.com%2Fi%2F6527%2Foriginal%2Fjohn_stewart_facepalm.jpg&hash=894a99f88d63145d6d0f8909403e03dd761b8078)
His wife was the producer.
She let him direct while she produced.
(And no the irony is not lost)
His wife was the producer.
She let him direct while she produced.
(And no the irony is not lost)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 05:04:35 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 05:04:35 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fnintendo.joystiq.com%2Fmedia%2F2008%2F01%2Fjackass_logo_lg.jpg&hash=95771f24a3d729dc2846760af2dcf3858c0c2d60)
There were three other executive producers, asswipe (Giler, Carroll, and Hill...Giler and Hill were also "writers" with Cameron). In some instances, executive producers are just people who want their names attached to a certain film and will leave stuff alone. However, this is fox and I am sure they along with other execs didn't leave Cameron alone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 05:07:21 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2010, 05:07:21 AM
If you mean Executive Producers they say so. There is a difference.
Where's your proof that they were all sticking their noses in if you're so "sure"? Giler and Hill didn't write shit anyway. They just came up with the basic idea of 'Ripley goes back to the planet with soldiers'. From all accounts they just let him get on with it and Hurd ran the production (including finding ways to reduce costs).
A better example might be Titanic.
Where's your proof that they were all sticking their noses in if you're so "sure"? Giler and Hill didn't write shit anyway. They just came up with the basic idea of 'Ripley goes back to the planet with soldiers'. From all accounts they just let him get on with it and Hurd ran the production (including finding ways to reduce costs).
A better example might be Titanic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 05:24:48 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 05:24:48 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.knowyourmeme.com%2Fi%2F6527%2Foriginal%2Fjohn_stewart_facepalm.jpg&hash=894a99f88d63145d6d0f8909403e03dd761b8078)
I put the word writers in quotation marks and I noted the difference between producer and executive producer.
Oh hey...take a look who the producers are in Alien 3...NOT EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS but Producers...they left Fincher alone didn't they....they allowed Fincher to direct it the way he wanted to, right?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/fullcredits#writers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/fullcredits#writers)
I put the word writers in quotation marks and I noted the difference between producer and executive producer.
Oh hey...take a look who the producers are in Alien 3...NOT EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS but Producers...they left Fincher alone didn't they....they allowed Fincher to direct it the way he wanted to, right?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/fullcredits#writers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/fullcredits#writers)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 23, 2010, 05:27:09 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 23, 2010, 05:27:09 AM
Actually, Fox was very supportive of Cameron during Aliens. They loved his script, it's why they hired him. They even waited till he was done with Terminator to film it, that's how much they supported him.
The British crew on the other hand...
The British crew on the other hand...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 23, 2010, 08:48:05 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 23, 2010, 08:48:05 AM
Fox didn't really touch Cameron. The British crew tried to walk on him, and he told them where to shove it. Even fired the director of photography.
QuoteOh hey...take a look who the producers are in Alien 3...NOT EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS but Producers...they left Fincher alone didn't they....they allowed Fincher to direct it the way he wanted to, right?Alien³ =/= Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Xenokiller on Apr 22, 2010, 11:52:44 PMShot reference maybe?
http://img.youtube.com/vi/uyeTXZ6NcKk/0.jpg
Look at this and tell me that doesn't remind you of aliens. Maybe they are in the same universe?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Abhunter on Apr 23, 2010, 12:31:26 PM
Post by: Abhunter on Apr 23, 2010, 12:31:26 PM
I felt like ALIENS universe was in AVATAR. ITs the same marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 23, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 23, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
Marines tend to look like Marines, especially when they are Marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 23, 2010, 04:26:36 PMIt's a Marine conspiration done by Marines! :o
Marines tend to look like Marines, especially when they are Marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 23, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 23, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
marines marine marines, marines marines marines.
(holy messiah of a lost religion, what the shit happened to this thread?)
(holy messiah of a lost religion, what the shit happened to this thread?)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 23, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 23, 2010, 05:02:31 PMMarines got to Marine it. ;D
marines marine marines, marines marines marines.
(holy messiah of a lost religion, what the shit happened to this thread?)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 23, 2010, 06:49:53 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 23, 2010, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 23, 2010, 05:04:35 AM
http://www.blogcdn.com/nintendo.joystiq.com/media/2008/01/jackass_logo_lg.jpg
There were three other executive producers, asswipe (Giler, Carroll, and Hill...Giler and Hill were also "writers" with Cameron). In some instances, executive producers are just people who want their names attached to a certain film and will leave stuff alone. However, this is fox and I am sure they along with other execs didn't leave Cameron alone.
Choose your words and pictures carefully, young grasshopper.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Big_BLACK on Apr 23, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
Post by: Big_BLACK on Apr 23, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
I really didn't care for this movie, so I definetely won't be purchasing any dvd or blu ray copies of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 23, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
DID SOMEONE SAY MARINES!?!?!? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 12:49:42 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 12:49:42 AM
depends. are you a 40K fan?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
Um, not as such, no. I might like it, but I have no idea what the story is. All I know for sure is that the Imperium of Man is a big part of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 24, 2010, 01:17:23 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 24, 2010, 01:17:23 AM
Watched the DVD copy from my 2 disc set today. Absolutely loved it!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 04:42:37 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 04:42:37 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
Um, not as such, no. I might like it, but I have no idea what the story is. All I know for sure is that the Imperium of Man is a big part of it.
then you are missing a big part of space-marinery. they literally define the angry marine character. also, VIOLENT PURGE. :D
that and starship trooper is all you need.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dachande on Apr 24, 2010, 04:52:28 AM
Post by: Dachande on Apr 24, 2010, 04:52:28 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 04:42:37 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
Um, not as such, no. I might like it, but I have no idea what the story is. All I know for sure is that the Imperium of Man is a big part of it.
then you are missing a big part of space-marinery. they literally define the angry marine character. also, VIOLENT PURGE. :D
that and starship trooper is all you need.
FOR THE GOD-EMPEROR!
And i wouldnt say they 'define' as extreme xenophobia isnt present in all space marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 05:01:37 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 24, 2010, 05:01:37 AM
*brofist*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 05:34:08 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 24, 2010, 05:34:08 AM
Starship Troopers! Now that I know about. I should read that book. For me, though, one of the prime examples of space marines, even though they aren't called that, is in The Forever War.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Bear Grylls on Apr 25, 2010, 07:18:00 AM
Post by: Bear Grylls on Apr 25, 2010, 07:18:00 AM
More Avatar Sequel Details Revealed: An Original Aliens Cameo?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/More-Avatar-Sequel-Details-Revealed-An-Original-Aliens-Cameo-18250.html
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/More-Avatar-Sequel-Details-Revealed-An-Original-Aliens-Cameo-18250.html
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 25, 2010, 07:21:20 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 25, 2010, 07:21:20 AM
Fascinating. A rip-off, of a film that almost ripped off another. Yup, sounds like Cameron alright.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 08:08:42 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 08:08:42 AM
I'm going rage harder than the sun if Cameron puts actual Aliens in the next Avatar. Especially since Riddles is going to do two prequel films to explore the mysterious aspects of the Alien.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
So does this mean Avatar takes place in the same universe as Alien(s)?
Christ, I hope not.
Christ, I hope not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Apr 25, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Apr 25, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
I think he was just using the phrase..
I hope.
I hope.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 25, 2010, 02:01:43 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 25, 2010, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
So does this mean Avatar takes place in the same universe as Alien(s)?
Christ, I hope not.
amen to that
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
I really don't even want an Avatar 2. Avatar was amazing (AMAZING!!!!) but as sequel will probably take things too far. Oh well, only time will tell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheTrekman on Apr 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: TheTrekman on Apr 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
So does this mean Avatar takes place in the same universe as Alien(s)?
Christ, I hope not.
What's wrong with that? I've actually had that idea in my mind for the last few years. Well before Avatar came out. So far, we only have two alien species in the Alien universe (the Xenomorph & Space Jockey), three when you include the Predators. Why not have more crossovers with aliens from other 20th Century Fox movies and the expand the universe?
Personally, I would love to see the Abyss, Solaris, and Avatar to be added to the Alien and Predator universe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:43:58 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: TheTrekman on Apr 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PMToo much universes coexisting. Plus Technology shown in Alien movies and Avatar are similar, but very different in parts.Quote from: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
So does this mean Avatar takes place in the same universe as Alien(s)?
Christ, I hope not.
What's wrong with that?
Quote from: TheTrekman on Apr 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F1zm2txx.jpg&hash=5b1ef2efda8afd6e7abbd498a372560df56a8fcb)
Personally, I would love to see the Abyss, Solaris, and Avatar to be added to the Alien and Predator universe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
The sparseness of the Alien universe is a part of the appeal.
There's nothing out there. Almost nothing. And when we do find something, it wants to use us as breeding stock.
It's all very Lovecraftian. And I want it to stay like that. Let it be unique rather than tossing everything in and trying to make something like Star Trek out of it.
There's nothing out there. Almost nothing. And when we do find something, it wants to use us as breeding stock.
It's all very Lovecraftian. And I want it to stay like that. Let it be unique rather than tossing everything in and trying to make something like Star Trek out of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 25, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Apr 25, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The universes don't feel similar to me at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: TheTrekman on Apr 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PMQuote from: First Blood on Apr 25, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
So does this mean Avatar takes place in the same universe as Alien(s)?
Christ, I hope not.
What's wrong with that? I've actually had that idea in my mind for the last few years. Well before Avatar came out. So far, we only have two alien species in the Alien universe (the Xenomorph & Space Jockey), three when you include the Predators. Why not have more crossovers with aliens from other 20th Century Fox movies and the expand the universe?
Personally, I would love to see the Abyss, Solaris, and Avatar to be added to the Alien and Predator universe.
Because somewhere down the road, some genius is going to make Alien vs. Avatar. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 25, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 25, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
I could see it being able to be tied together, but I'm not really sure I'd want it to be...
But, the Na'vi are just another alien species humans encountered. The RDA is another private organization operating in space with it's own agenda and operations, so there's really no conflict with Weyland Yutani's terra-forming operation or what they're doing in a different part of space. All of it is kinda cool in that currently our real space program is possibly going to be opened to private companies, so this kind of progress by "non-government" entities isn't that far-fetched.
But, the Na'vi are just another alien species humans encountered. The RDA is another private organization operating in space with it's own agenda and operations, so there's really no conflict with Weyland Yutani's terra-forming operation or what they're doing in a different part of space. All of it is kinda cool in that currently our real space program is possibly going to be opened to private companies, so this kind of progress by "non-government" entities isn't that far-fetched.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 25, 2010, 06:59:05 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Apr 25, 2010, 06:59:05 PM
The way they worded it, it does sound they're hinting at Aliens. But it wasn't specifically stated, so don't get all ragey yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 25, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Apr 25, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
I have the urge to just encourage the rage.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
I highly doubt he'd tie Avatar in with Alien.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 25, 2010, 07:24:26 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 25, 2010, 07:24:26 PM
Especially without risking an R rating...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 25, 2010, 08:14:01 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 25, 2010, 08:14:01 PM
or getting us on his wealthy ass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:54:57 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:54:57 PM
Many a pitchfork and torch would be wielded against him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 25, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 25, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
Mob threats do nothing to James Cameron. You have to resort to server crashes and ecoterrorism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 25, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The universes don't feel similar to me at all.
Bingo. Avatar seems brighter, whereas Alien is dark and gritty. With Avatar there's hope for the future but with Alien, it's one catastrophe after the other.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 26, 2010, 04:13:29 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 26, 2010, 04:13:29 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 23, 2010, 08:48:05 AM
Fox didn't really touch Cameron. The British crew tried to walk on him, and he told them where to shove it. Even fired the director of photography.
Alien³ =/= Aliens.
Ok then. Someone early on pissed off Cameron to the point of him saying, "Well I am just going to act this way right off the bat...so no one gets any ideas."
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
Bingo. Avatar seems brighter, whereas Alien is dark and gritty. With Avatar there's hope for the future but with Alien, it's one catastrophe after the other.
A friend of mine had the idea for Avatar2....where the corporation rounded up more troops to make an even bigger strike against Pandora...when they got there they found no more Nav'i and no more life period. It was a wasteland...long story short....and alien infestation took over and now it was the corporation vs all types of weird xenos...inlcluding Nav'i xenos.
I doubt if Cameron would tie that in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 26, 2010, 06:32:48 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 26, 2010, 06:32:48 AM
Quote from: EarthHive on Apr 26, 2010, 04:13:29 AMOr he's always been an egotistical douche. Short of being his life-long buddy there's little way of knowing.
Ok then. Someone early on pissed off Cameron to the point of him saying, "Well I am just going to act this way right off the bat...so no one gets any ideas."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:54:52 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:54:52 PM
Here's some real 3D shots form the movie. (They require Red-Blue Anaglyph glases):
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Got some Movie Screenshots of the creatures (namely Toruk and Thanator) wthout 3D? :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Got some Movie Screenshots of the creatures (namely Toruk and Thanator) wthout 3D? :)
Will make some later and post them
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 03:47:35 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 03:47:35 PM
Can people buy avatar on 3D dvd ? Like final destination ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 26, 2010, 04:29:12 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 26, 2010, 04:29:12 PM
Brought the Blu-ray today, it's f**king amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
I don't think those are real 3D pictures from the movie. They have that cardboard cut-out effect which is almost always from a conversion job.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 07:29:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Got some Movie Screenshots of the creatures (namely Toruk and Thanator) wthout 3D? :)
Oh if only the o and u were reversed...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 07:35:31 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 07:35:31 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
I don't think those are real 3D pictures from the movie. They have that cardboard cut-out effect which is almost always from a conversion job.
By real, I ment not the easy (same picture apart method) but real pop out effect.
PS: They are indeed coverted...by me :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:18:01 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 07:35:31 PMCould you convert some Predator pics to 3D? Would love to see some samples.Quote from: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
I don't think those are real 3D pictures from the movie. They have that cardboard cut-out effect which is almost always from a conversion job.
By real, I ment not the easy (same picture apart method) but real pop out effect.
PS: They are indeed coverted...by me :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:18:01 PMQuote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 07:35:31 PMCould you convert some Predator pics to 3D? Would love to see some samples.Quote from: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
I don't think those are real 3D pictures from the movie. They have that cardboard cut-out effect which is almost always from a conversion job.
By real, I ment not the easy (same picture apart method) but real pop out effect.
PS: They are indeed coverted...by me :)
Believe it or not, the cinematohraphy of a film is in great importance for making 3D shot. Movies shoot with stady cam are impossible to be make in to 3D. But, hell I'll give it a try, and post in the Picture rquest thread.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:38:31 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:38:31 PM
Much appreciated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:43:04 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PMNo.
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:45:45 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:43:04 PMOk thanks for clarifying.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PMNo.
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 08:33:14 PMQuote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 08:18:01 PMQuote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 07:35:31 PMCould you convert some Predator pics to 3D? Would love to see some samples.Quote from: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
I don't think those are real 3D pictures from the movie. They have that cardboard cut-out effect which is almost always from a conversion job.
By real, I ment not the easy (same picture apart method) but real pop out effect.
PS: They are indeed coverted...by me :)
Believe it or not, the cinematohraphy of a film is in great importance for making 3D shot. Movies shoot with stady cam are impossible to be make in to 3D. But, hell I'll give it a try, and post in the Picture rquest thread.
You can make any screenshot into 3D from a depth-map. I've converted images some time ago with a black & white depth map that you make by hand (these can be made as detailed as desired, down to single leaves in a jungle). The black information is used as negative (goes back) and the white as positive (pops forward). For red and blue glasses, you make a copy of the depth map twice, colorize one layer blue and one layer red (in Photoshop), use a Screen blending mode, and shift the image of the blue and red opposite of each other. There are some good tutorials online that explain this. It works rather well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 09:22:16 PM
Post by: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 09:22:16 PM
My method is different. I use two seperate images with a second of distance, to create real 3D feel.
PS: Johnny the Predator 3D shots are up in the Request Thread
PS: Johnny the Predator 3D shots are up in the Request Thread
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 26, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
Post by: DrHobo on Apr 26, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
Or make two slightly different perspectives and let them take turns!
I know we had this pic in the JP thread but it is to awesome for just one thread :D
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I know we had this pic in the JP thread but it is to awesome for just one thread :D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
Awesome^^^^^.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 09:29:25 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 09:29:25 PM
Makes me feel like I'm going to have a seizure! (or already having one!) :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 09:55:39 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:54:52 PM
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Is it just me, or does he look only slightly irritated that he's been shot twice in the stomach with arrows? That expression just says "What the hell, man?"
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Apr 26, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
Or make two slightly different perspectives and let them take turns!
I know we had this pic in the JP thread but it is to awesome for just one thread :D
http://www.theboredninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/3d_t_rex.gif
Thank you for posting this again. I cannot get enough of it. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 09:55:39 PMQuote from: vortep on Apr 26, 2010, 12:54:52 PM
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Is it just me, or does he look only slightly irritated that he's been shot twice in the stomach with arrows? That expression just says "What the hell, man?"
I think he looks like E.T. there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
Oh yeah! It's uncanny. Another thing that Cameron ripped off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Chyah!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:05:54 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:05:54 PM
Has he no decency?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 10:12:21 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 10:12:21 PM
Quaritch's opening line was from The Wizard of Oz... ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
No cherished childhood film is untouched! Hell, some of those human machines and Pandoran animals had claws. You know what else had a claw? Toy Story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Eventually, yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PMActually no, at least not with the same 3D process as there was with Final Destination. It's only going to come out in the Real D thing, which it was in the theaters.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Eventually, yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 10:42:42 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PMActually no, at least not with the same 3D process as there was with Final Destination. It's only going to come out in the Real D thing, which it was in the theaters.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Eventually, yes.
How will that work on dvd? will you need a 3D tv or set up for it to work?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 10:42:42 PMThey probably won't do it on DVD at all, just on Blu. So you will need a 3DTV, a 3D Blu-Ray Player and of course the 3D blu-ray disc. You will have to upgrade everything from scratch.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PMActually no, at least not with the same 3D process as there was with Final Destination. It's only going to come out in the Real D thing, which it was in the theaters.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Eventually, yes.
How will that work on dvd? will you need a 3D tv or set up for it to work?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Seems like a pain in the ass. More trouble for what it's worth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:57:12 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:57:12 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:24:40 PMActually no, at least not with the same 3D process as there was with Final Destination. It's only going to come out in the Real D thing, which it was in the theaters.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Apr 26, 2010, 08:42:16 PM
Can you buy avatar in 3D? Like you could with the final destination?
Eventually, yes.
You're arguing a semantic :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 26, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
@First Blood: New to consumer electronics it seems... ^ ;)
It's really not that big of a deal. Most likely all TVs in the next year or two will be 3D capable whether you use it or not much like all TVs now are HD. Most HDTVs you buy new now are most likely 1080p, HDMI 1.3, 120hz, or any other little "extra" feature most people don't even know it has, yet at one time were a fad or a way to sell new TVs. All 3D capable means is that it ACCEPTS and displays a 120hz signal (over HDMI 1.4) so that the refreshing images for each eye don't have flicker. TVs that are "120hz" right now don't accept a 120hz signal so they can't display a true 120hz video which is required for 3D. Those TVs are interpolating a 60hz image to make it look smoother. That's why it has that "soap opera effect", as some refer to it.
It's really not that big of a deal. Most likely all TVs in the next year or two will be 3D capable whether you use it or not much like all TVs now are HD. Most HDTVs you buy new now are most likely 1080p, HDMI 1.3, 120hz, or any other little "extra" feature most people don't even know it has, yet at one time were a fad or a way to sell new TVs. All 3D capable means is that it ACCEPTS and displays a 120hz signal (over HDMI 1.4) so that the refreshing images for each eye don't have flicker. TVs that are "120hz" right now don't accept a 120hz signal so they can't display a true 120hz video which is required for 3D. Those TVs are interpolating a 60hz image to make it look smoother. That's why it has that "soap opera effect", as some refer to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 11:15:59 PM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 26, 2010, 11:15:59 PM
Heh, thank you for explaing it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
i'm getting the old suicidal thoughts back after watching the film again on dvd. ahh crap. :-\ took me a long time to get rid of those.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
the whole 3D revolution is getting on my tits quite frankly. in cinemas for a one off spectacle its fine. but theyre trying to bring it into normal tv. there was a big fuss over the man utd match being in 3D the other week. I was in a pub and people paid £2 to get a pair of glasses and sit in a cramped corner to see the only 3D tv in the bar. So you had 50 blokes sitting wedged into a corner all wearing dark glasses like some sort of group of matrix agents watching the football.
Its sport? whats the point in making sport 3D. Whats next soaps in 3D. i dont want Pat Putchers grill coming out of the screen at me thanks.
Its not needed and its just a gimmick. Me? I saved my £2 on the glasses to buy another pint while i watched the match on a choice of several tvs with plenty of space while all the other knackers where sweating their tits off in a cramped corner.
Its sport? whats the point in making sport 3D. Whats next soaps in 3D. i dont want Pat Putchers grill coming out of the screen at me thanks.
Its not needed and its just a gimmick. Me? I saved my £2 on the glasses to buy another pint while i watched the match on a choice of several tvs with plenty of space while all the other knackers where sweating their tits off in a cramped corner.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 26, 2010, 11:36:34 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 26, 2010, 11:36:34 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
i'm getting the old suicidal thoughts back after watching the film again on dvd. ahh crap. :-\ took me a long time to get rid of those.
Buy a gerbil, dye him blue, and put a lot of plants in his cage. Voila, plenty of Pandora happiness for your sucky real life existence.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:03:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:03:11 AM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:23:54 PMI get what you mean, man.
i'm getting the old suicidal thoughts back after watching the film again on dvd. ahh crap. :-\ took me a long time to get rid of those.
I mean, there are people with multiple types of cancer struggling every day of their life; people with mental disabilities who can't even string together a coherent sentence soldiering on; artists who become multiple amputees who learn to paint with their damned mouths; children who've lost their parents and all their loved ones; people in third world countries who will die if they drink the only water available to them; people in such countries who at the age of six must care for their mother and father too crippled by disease and undernourishment to even move any more, collecting water, food, and even working to earn scraps, who don't even consider suicide as an option cos they've got a responsibility to look after those too ill to help themselves, even though deep down they must know they're going to wind up the same way.
But damn, dude.
Whenever I watch Avatar I just wanna cut myself open cos not living in a fantasy world with 9 foot tall talking cat people is just too much to take.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:04:37 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
the whole 3D revolution is getting on my tits quite frankly. in cinemas for a one off spectacle its fine. but theyre trying to bring it into normal tv. there was a big fuss over the man utd match being in 3D the other week. I was in a pub and people paid £2 to get a pair of glasses and sit in a cramped corner to see the only 3D tv in the bar. So you had 50 blokes sitting wedged into a corner all wearing dark glasses like some sort of group of matrix agents watching the football.
Its sport? whats the point in making sport 3D. Whats next soaps in 3D. i dont want Pat Putchers grill coming out of the screen at me thanks.
Its not needed and its just a gimmick. Me? I saved my £2 on the glasses to buy another pint while i watched the match on a choice of several tvs with plenty of space while all the other knackers where sweating their tits off in a cramped corner.
Sure, sports and soaps in a pub with one tiny 3DTV is one thing... But how 'bout movies on a 3D projector in the comfort of your own home, or living room theater? A 3D capable projector and a 88" pull down screen cost me a whopping $500 and it's arguably a better experience than the theater. I don't have 3D movies (I got the set up for 3D PC gaming and 2D movies), but I have a lot of 3D clips and some trailers to test the 3D capabilities and it's quite impressive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 27, 2010, 12:06:42 AM
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 27, 2010, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:03:11 AMQuote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:23:54 PMI get what you mean, man.
i'm getting the old suicidal thoughts back after watching the film again on dvd. ahh crap. :-\ took me a long time to get rid of those.
I mean, there are people with multiple types of cancer struggling every day of their life; people with mental disabilities who can't even string together a coherent sentence soldiering on; artists who become multiple amputees who learn to paint with their damned mouths; children who've lost their parents and all their loved ones; people in third world countries who will die if they drink the only water available to them; people in such countries who at the age of six must care for their mother and father too crippled by disease and undernourishment to even move any more, collecting water, food, and even working to earn scraps, who don't even consider suicide as an option cos they've got a responsibility to look after those too ill to help themselves, even though deep down they must know they're going to wind up the same way.
But damn, dude.
Whenever I watch Avatar I just wanna cut myself open cos not living in a fantasy world with 9 foot tall talking cat people is just too much to take.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 27, 2010, 12:06:42 AMAs was I.
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(Although that statement holds true for all the people who seriously said they would rather commit suicide than not live on Pandora.)
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:04:37 AMIf only we all had living room theaters or houses that could actually realistically accommodate an 88" screen.
Sure, sports and soaps in a pub with one tiny 3DTV is one thing... But how 'bout movies on a 3D projector in the comfort of your own home, or living room theater? A 3D capable projector and a 88" pull down screen cost me a whopping $500 and it's arguably a better experience than the theater.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 27, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 27, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
That screen is bigger than Shagari Alleyne. Shagari Alleyne couldn't lay down in my house.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:42:26 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:42:26 AM
It's a roll up screen! Like this: http://www.amazon.com/70INX70IN-Model-Manual-Screen-ceiling/dp/B0002855KK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272328927&sr=8-1
Doesn't take up much room, it mounts on the ceiling. :)
Doesn't take up much room, it mounts on the ceiling. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:47:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 27, 2010, 12:47:25 AM
You still need room for when it unrolls.
An 88" screen would be obscene in my living room. Got a TV half that size and it's enough.
Besides, $500 is a lot if you don't have it :P
An 88" screen would be obscene in my living room. Got a TV half that size and it's enough.
Besides, $500 is a lot if you don't have it :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:52:28 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:52:28 AM
I hear that, but if someone is wanting to shop on the cheap to make a small home theater (even in 3D!), you can do it even cheaper than you could buy a 32" LCD in some cases.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 27, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
Post by: EarthHive on Apr 27, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 26, 2010, 06:32:48 AMQuote from: EarthHive on Apr 26, 2010, 04:13:29 AMOr he's always been an egotistical douche. Short of being his life-long buddy there's little way of knowing.
Ok then. Someone early on pissed off Cameron to the point of him saying, "Well I am just going to act this way right off the bat...so no one gets any ideas."
True.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Hell if you can afford it, and youve got the space for it, then watching movies in 3D in your own home would be great. Im talking about the little gimmicky things like making a football match 3D. Its pointless. Are we eventually going to get soaps and gameshows in 3D? Thats what utterly pointless in my eyes if it eventually goes down that route.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
My local TV shop had a 3D blu-ray player and TV running today for demonstration, it looked spectacular, really. The glasses where very comfortable to wear and the 3D effect was really good.
They showed Monsters Vs Aliens, all in all it costs 2500€, everything included.
They showed Monsters Vs Aliens, all in all it costs 2500€, everything included.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 27, 2010, 01:41:52 PM
Post by: Dark Passenger on Apr 27, 2010, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
My local TV shop had a 3D blu-ray player and TV running today for demonstration, it looked spectacular, really. The glasses where very comfortable to wear and the 3D effect was really good.
They showed Monsters Vs Aliens, all in all it costs 2500€, everything included.
sounds good, was the 3D actually good?
because recently the only 3D ive experienced was clash of the titans at my local theatre and it was atrocious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Apr 27, 2010, 01:41:52 PMThe 3D was really good, there were also no signs of ghosting or shading from what i could see, just pure fun to watch.Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
My local TV shop had a 3D blu-ray player and TV running today for demonstration, it looked spectacular, really. The glasses where very comfortable to wear and the 3D effect was really good.
They showed Monsters Vs Aliens, all in all it costs 2500€, everything included.
sounds good, was the 3D actually good?
because recently the only 3D ive experienced was clash of the titans at my local theatre and it was atrocious.
I could have sit there another 15 minutes, but there were people already behind me waiting. It was really cool, never thought it would be that much fun on a TV, but it was.
It was a Samsung player and TV, don't know the exact product number though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
So if you have the 3D HDTV and the 3D Blu Ray player do they looks as good as the 3D you see in the cinema or is ti still a bit ropey?
Man itd be awesomw to have a spare £10k lying around. Do out the attic into a home cinema with all the latest gear. Haha ive still got a standard def tv in my living room simply because ive had ot fpr about 6 or 7 years and it still works great and there hasnt really been a reason to replace it until now. Its taken alot longer for HD to settle in here in the UK than it did over in america. Doesnt help when Sky Tv is £45 a month for everything and thats not even for the HD package. People just cant afford it or dont think its worth it for the extra money.
Man itd be awesomw to have a spare £10k lying around. Do out the attic into a home cinema with all the latest gear. Haha ive still got a standard def tv in my living room simply because ive had ot fpr about 6 or 7 years and it still works great and there hasnt really been a reason to replace it until now. Its taken alot longer for HD to settle in here in the UK than it did over in america. Doesnt help when Sky Tv is £45 a month for everything and thats not even for the HD package. People just cant afford it or dont think its worth it for the extra money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
QuoteSo if you have the 3D HDTV and the 3D Blu Ray player do they looks as good as the 3D you see in the cinema or is ti still a bit ropey?From what I've seen, it was just as good, depends on the movie I guess.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Anonymous684 on Apr 27, 2010, 03:00:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous684 on Apr 27, 2010, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 12:42:26 AM
It's a roll up screen! Like this: http://www.amazon.com/70INX70IN-Model-Manual-Screen-ceiling/dp/B0002855KK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272328927&sr=8-1
Doesn't take up much room, it mounts on the ceiling. :)
I have a home theater in my backyard. Pull down screen on a a wood base i had built. HD projector + wireless headphones (not to piss off neighbors) and my HP laptop to play the feed ( blu-ray compatible also).
:) Not going to say how much it all cost but relatively cheap.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 03:12:58 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 03:12:58 PM
^ Hah, awesome! Outdoor theaters can be fun.
I saw it recently too at Best Buy and it was very very nice. They also had Monsters vs Aliens playing. It was 1080p 3D which is incredibly clear. Avatar 3D Blu-Ray is going to look stunning. I would imagine that it's going to be clearer on home 3D set ups on the smaller high def screen, which is a trade off to in the theater with the extremely large screen (which really helps the 3D effect) but you lose a bit of clarity that large.
As for soaps and game shows in 3D, yeah I don't really want to partake in that and really it will be easy not to. All your TV has to do is display one view and you'll never be the wiser. It's just going to look like a regular HD 2D picture. 3D sports and racing I could get into, however. :) The thing with 3D is that you don't HAVE to use it, just when you want to. It would be pointless for Seinfeld reruns for example, but Friday movie night, I'm going for the THREE DEEEZ man. :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
My local TV shop had a 3D blu-ray player and TV running today for demonstration, it looked spectacular, really. The glasses where very comfortable to wear and the 3D effect was really good.
I saw it recently too at Best Buy and it was very very nice. They also had Monsters vs Aliens playing. It was 1080p 3D which is incredibly clear. Avatar 3D Blu-Ray is going to look stunning. I would imagine that it's going to be clearer on home 3D set ups on the smaller high def screen, which is a trade off to in the theater with the extremely large screen (which really helps the 3D effect) but you lose a bit of clarity that large.
As for soaps and game shows in 3D, yeah I don't really want to partake in that and really it will be easy not to. All your TV has to do is display one view and you'll never be the wiser. It's just going to look like a regular HD 2D picture. 3D sports and racing I could get into, however. :) The thing with 3D is that you don't HAVE to use it, just when you want to. It would be pointless for Seinfeld reruns for example, but Friday movie night, I'm going for the THREE DEEEZ man. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
Well back on the subject of avatar ive just gotten it on dvd (as i mentioned is still dont have a hdtv or i would of bought the blu ray. Well to be honest its a dvd/blu ray combo so it would of been worth it for when i do but it was £20 and the dvd was only £8 so i took the cheap option). After watching it for the second time (saw it once at cinemas) i think its fantastic. I agree its, shallow, preachy, basic, copying off other films but you know what, when the result is that good i dont really care. All its meant to do is entertain and dazzle and it does that in spades, no mroe no less. I really can see this becoming one of my favourites. I enjoyed it more this time as well because the slow pace moves along nicer on a second viewing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Keg on Apr 27, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
Well back on the subject of avatar ive just gotten it on dvd (as i mentioned is still dont have a hdtv or i would of bought the blu ray. Well to be honest its a dvd/blu ray combo so it would of been worth it for when i do but it was £20 and the dvd was only £8 so i took the cheap option). After watching it for the second time (saw it once at cinemas) i think its fantastic. I agree its, shallow, preachy, basic, copying off other films but you know what, when the result is that good i dont really care. All its meant to do is entertain and dazzle and it does that in spades, no mroe no less. I really can see this becoming one of my favourites. I enjoyed it more this time as well because the slow pace moves along nicer on a second viewing.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
I think I may be the only person on the planet who hasn't seen this yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:26:33 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:26:33 PM
I think your statement is probably very accurate! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2010, 04:28:23 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2010, 04:28:23 PM
I really want to see it in 3D the first time, but I missed the first run. Now I'm going to have to wait until it's re-released (with extra footage) in August.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2010, 04:28:23 PM
I really want to see it in 3D the first time, but I missed the first run. Now I'm going to have to wait until it's re-released (with extra footage) in August.
Just avoid the past couple of pages, there are spoilers that aren't spoiler tagged.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
I have seen it both in 3D and in 2D (on Blu-Ray) and I really think the 3D adds a lot in the outdoor scenes (most of the movie). You just get one more element to help pull you into this fictitious world. The movie is still visually stunning in 2D, but if I were really on Pandora, I wouldn't want to shut one eye - that's the same sentiment I have in regards to seeing it in 3D vs 2D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
I've seen it in 2D twice (theater and DVD portion of Blu Ray). 3D probably adds to it, but I have to say, even in 2D its amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 27, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 27, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2010, 07:19:59 PMMovies should be only in that format IMHO. ::)
even in 2D its amazing!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 27, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Apr 27, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
I think I will wait for the special edition in a few more months from now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 07:34:06 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 27, 2010, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Apr 27, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
I think I will wait for the special edition in a few more months from now.
As will I.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 08:14:50 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 27, 2010, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 27, 2010, 07:21:07 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2010, 07:19:59 PMMovies should be only in that format IMHO. ::)
even in 2D its amazing!
Why?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 27, 2010, 11:51:44 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 27, 2010, 11:51:44 PM
'Cos it's 'cool' to be 'old school'.
IMHO.
IMHO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 12:09:48 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 12:09:48 AM
Screw Blu-Ray man... I'm getting this movie special order on VHS. The magnetic tape provides such a richer experience audibly and visually.
IMHO!
IMHO!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 12:14:18 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 12:14:18 AM
f**k that!
Super 8 all the muth'uckin way!!
Super 8 all the muth'uckin way!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 03:57:22 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 03:57:22 AM
Pfft. Laser disc is where it's at, you pansies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 04:18:34 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 04:18:34 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 05:19:31 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 05:19:31 AM
Not a LD fan eh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Super 8 is older than laser disc.
As for
As for
Quotebut if I were really on Pandora, I wouldn't want to shut one eye - that's the same sentiment I have in regards to seeing it in 3D vs 2D.I have no problem appreciating depth within an image in 2D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 05:44:47 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2010, 05:44:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Super 8 is older than laser disc.
I know. But I couldn't think of anything else :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:48:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:48:11 AM
That lantern thing, where you cut images out of a lantern, aim it at a wall, and spin it to create a moving light.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 28, 2010, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: Undeadite on Apr 28, 2010, 05:51:00 AM
OH! Shadow puppets!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 05:52:37 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 05:52:37 AM
QuoteThat lantern thing, where you cut images out of a lantern, aim it at a wall, and spin it to create a moving light.
Zoetrope, I think.
QuoteOH! Shadow puppets!
Cave drawings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 06:05:40 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 06:05:40 AM
Oral storytelling!
HAH!
HAH!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 06:12:15 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2010, 06:12:15 AM
f**k! >:(
Big black monoliths beaming shit straight into one's bonce?
Big black monoliths beaming shit straight into one's bonce?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 06:24:30 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 06:24:30 AM
Proto-humans throwing shit at each other and noting that the poo smears look similar to things they see in life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 28, 2010, 09:41:36 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Apr 28, 2010, 09:41:36 AM
Memories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 03:32:45 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 28, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
I have no problem appreciating depth within an image in 2D.
I don't either, that's why I mentioned that the 2D version was still quite stunning. There are things you can appreciate in the 2D version, especially as it's much easier to compare to other heavy efx movies that do not have the..."advantage" of 3D. Some things though, you can't capture in 2D, and I believe that is the sense of scale that depth from your two eyes will give you and how your brain processes the visual.
Photographs are similar in that you can really capture some great depth by lighting, color, and atmosphere, but it isn't anything like actually seeing it with your own two eyes that you really understand the sheer scale of the subject being photographed, especially for scenic subjects. Avatar is a prime candidate for 3D since most of the movie is a scenic experience to be explored. It's quite possibly the closest sensation of being on a different planet that any of us ever experience in our lifetime (well, there's 3D video games too..)
So while I can appreciate the depth that can be captured in 2D (and study it myself in my line of work), I also understand that it's not how we evolved to see the actual world around us naturally, making 3D a more visceral experience based on our own adaption to life and how we'd (more accurately) see Pandora had we'd actually been there ourselves. I don't think every movie needs to be 3D, but many can benefit from it in a very engaging way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 28, 2010, 03:40:48 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 28, 2010, 03:40:48 PM
The reason I thought the 3D in Avatar was great was because it wasnt used as a gimmick to make things fly towards you. the 3D was subtle and it wasnt in your face. Infact when i first starting watching I was a little disapointed but as the movie went on I started to notice that the 3D wasnt used for wow moments, it was used to make the world feel alive and was especially good in any scene set in the jungles.
It was the first 3D movie id seen in cinemas (apart from things like Honey I Shrunk The Audience at Disneyland) and I was expecting things to be leaping out all over the place. That isnt the case at all and I was glad about that because it would of made it cheesy and deliberate. I thought it was fantastic because the 3D was used to enhance the world that the audience sees rather than a continuous string of cheesy, cliche moments jumping at you becoming the focus.
It was the first 3D movie id seen in cinemas (apart from things like Honey I Shrunk The Audience at Disneyland) and I was expecting things to be leaping out all over the place. That isnt the case at all and I was glad about that because it would of made it cheesy and deliberate. I thought it was fantastic because the 3D was used to enhance the world that the audience sees rather than a continuous string of cheesy, cliche moments jumping at you becoming the focus.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 28, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
I liked that too, but at IMAX there were some "whoa." 3D moments of things popping out. Not in a bad way, but when the little bio-illuminated floaty organisms were coming in on the screen, there were some that were out of focus and very close, causing them to really come out of the screen in your face (much like if you were standing there and they were swarming in). In the moments of deliberate 3D effect, I still think it was done in tasteful ways, like that part.
Edit: Spelling fix.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 28, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 28, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
There was still some of those moments but they werent as numerous as i had expected. Other films use those moments as the excuse to include 3D whereas Avatar used the 3D to bring the world alive as much as the CGI did. It wasnt just 3D objects and creatures for the sake of it. The one moment I remember from seeing it in the cinema was when the RDA gas hometree and one of the canisters bounces towards the screen. Thats the only really obvious, cliched use of 3D i can remember in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 28, 2010, 10:15:27 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 28, 2010, 10:15:27 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 28, 2010, 09:41:36 AM
Memories.
Genetic memories. Ha!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 29, 2010, 12:15:06 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 29, 2010, 12:15:06 AM
QuoteThe reason I thought the 3D in Avatar was great was because it wasnt used as a gimmick to make things fly towards you. the 3D was subtle and it wasnt in your face.
I'd prefer if it was from time to time. Otherwise what's the point especially with such an annoyingly derivative plot. The in-your-face 3D made Jaws 3 a fun film. Hard to believe, I know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 29, 2010, 03:59:26 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 29, 2010, 03:59:26 AM
I watched it for the first time since the theater over the weekend.
2nd impression was more favorable than the first, but it still is overrated and overhyped. I'm in the middle though. Despite being deriviative to the extreme, hokey, and a tad slow, I still enjoyed the visuals, the set designs for the human elements, and the dino-rider finale.
2nd impression was more favorable than the first, but it still is overrated and overhyped. I'm in the middle though. Despite being deriviative to the extreme, hokey, and a tad slow, I still enjoyed the visuals, the set designs for the human elements, and the dino-rider finale.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 29, 2010, 08:52:40 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 29, 2010, 08:52:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 29, 2010, 12:15:06 AMQuoteThe reason I thought the 3D in Avatar was great was because it wasnt used as a gimmick to make things fly towards you. the 3D was subtle and it wasnt in your face.
I'd prefer if it was from time to time. Otherwise what's the point especially with such an annoyingly derivative plot. The in-your-face 3D made Jaws 3 a fun film. Hard to believe, I know.
The point was that it was used as more of an extra visual effect alongside the CGI to bring the world to life, rather than just being used in a gimmicky way. It was another tool that Cameron used along with CGI to make Pandora come alive and be as visually impressive as he could accomplish. The plot has nothing to do with the 3D and how it was used. I thought it worked fantastic the way it was used. If you didnt like the film anyway or didnt enjoy it I cant see how things flying towards your face would change that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:13:53 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:13:53 AM
Because I enjoyed it from the visual side. I would've enjoyed it more if the odd arrow was flung right out of the screen.
Besides I think Jackson accomplished more in a visual sense with Lord Of The Rings and a lot of that was real.
Besides I think Jackson accomplished more in a visual sense with Lord Of The Rings and a lot of that was real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 30, 2010, 01:18:10 AM
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 30, 2010, 01:18:10 AM
may i just interrupt real quick by saying: SM, you have a SHIT LOAD of posts! goddamn! :o :o :o
...okay, continue...
...okay, continue...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:19:11 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:19:11 AM
I know.
Sorry about that. :-\
Sorry about that. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 30, 2010, 01:35:39 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 30, 2010, 01:35:39 AM
you are talking to the first guy that registered to the forums back in 05' when they got resurrected.
he IS this forum.
(i love talking of a few years ago like if it was a complete different time. i makes me sound wiser or whatever :P).
he IS this forum.
(i love talking of a few years ago like if it was a complete different time. i makes me sound wiser or whatever :P).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 01:38:07 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 01:38:07 AM
You were... the first? I new you were a veteran, but I had no idea you were that ingrained in the forum.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 30, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 30, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
no, i was talking about SM. but i have been lurking here since 06'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Ingrained like this...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joblo.com%2Fimages_arrow_reviews%2Farrow-hellraiser3.jpg&hash=a5a80c3b63a102afb4cfd627fa1820921166b79d)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 30, 2010, 01:48:21 AM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 30, 2010, 01:48:21 AM
You have a lot of star icons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Apr 30, 2010, 01:58:42 AM
Post by: Aeus on Apr 30, 2010, 01:58:42 AM
When he gets to 20,000 the world will explode.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Sweet.
Activating SPAM MODE.
Activating SPAM MODE.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 02:02:10 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 02:02:10 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 30, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
no, i was talking about SM.
So was I.
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Ingrained like this...
http://www.joblo.com/images_arrow_reviews/arrow-hellraiser3.jpg
Hm... It's not as nice as I thought it would be.
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 30, 2010, 01:58:42 AM
When he gets to 20,000 the world will explode.
Which is why I must do this; I apologize SM.
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I take no pleasure in this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 02:08:54 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 02:08:54 AM
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But we're partners!!
But we're partners!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 02:19:05 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 02:19:05 AM
I-I'm sorry. :(
*bang!*
*bang!*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2010, 03:47:50 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2010, 03:47:50 AM
Never fret fellow heavy poster, I'll save you!
Once I find a suitable pic to post...
Once I find a suitable pic to post...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 04:16:07 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 30, 2010, 04:16:07 AM
You'd better put Calvin's or Hobbes' face on it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2010, 04:25:22 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2010, 04:25:22 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3bbo.com%2Fforums%2FChill-Hobbes.gif&hash=54a3a5e58af17270462fa46973c6dc9ce6cc41a2)
Stay back, I'm warning you.
Stay back, I'm warning you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:24:33 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:24:33 AM
Lol, when did this turn into the Pillowfighting thread? :D
Nevermind, I'm not one to complain!
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Nevermind, I'm not one to complain!
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:36:53 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:36:53 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:38:10 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:38:10 AM
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;D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:44:08 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:44:08 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:47:07 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:47:07 AM
Lol. Maybe we should stop now before we get warned.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:48:50 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:48:50 AM
Yeah, probably.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:52:07 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 06:52:07 AM
So, SM, you gonna be buying this on Blu-Ray or DVD? Or are you going to wait for the release with the special features like me? Or none of the above? Dun, dun, dun! :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
I will rent the DVD to see what the extras are like, because I'm not overly keen on sitting through the film again. If the extras are sufficiently decent, I might get the BR at some point. No rush though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Apr 30, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
I love it when a plan comes together. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 30, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Apr 30, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
I've read that the first UK Blu-Ray release doesn't have any extras at all. Instead they say that the transfer of the movie uses up all 50gb of the disc. I'm not spending £25 on a disc with no extras.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 30, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
Post by: Keg on Apr 30, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
There arent any extras on it at all. Youre right. You can get it on amazon for £15 i think. I just got the dvd for £8 in ASDA and i'll get the Blu-Ray with the features at the end of the year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 30, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 30, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
£8?
Nice buy!
Nice buy!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 30, 2010, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Apr 30, 2010, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:57:46 AMYou don't have to rent it at all then, as it's bare bones. Not a single extra, just the movie.
I will rent the DVD to see what the extras are like, because I'm not overly keen on sitting through the film again. If the extras are sufficiently decent, I might get the BR at some point. No rush though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 30, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Apr 30, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
is anyone else a little worried that the barebones first then special edition months later is going to become the norm?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Apr 30, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
Post by: Keg on Apr 30, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 30, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
£8?
Nice buy!
I think the £8 offer in ASDA is probably only available until sunday. They often do that with new releases for a week and the price often shoots up to £12-£15 the following week. Thats the only reason i bought it if im honest. If it was more than £10 with no extras i wouldnt of bothered but i wanted to watch it again rather than wait until november. I like the film quite alot so ill probably watch it several times anyway in that time so ill get my moneys worth and then ill give it to my sister when i get the blu ray and her kids can have it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Apr 30, 2010, 03:49:04 PM
Post by: Cellien on Apr 30, 2010, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2010, 06:44:08 AM
http://pics.livejournal.com/evandorkin/pic/000a2zdb/s320x240
OMG. Milk n Cheese... I didn't know anyone ever read that. We had a project that was going to be based on this and I was so happy it fell through. Not a fan. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
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:D
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 02, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 02, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Oh, memories, memories. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenokiller on May 02, 2010, 07:48:57 PM
Post by: Xenokiller on May 02, 2010, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PMLOL!
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:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 03, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 03, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Hmm, not particularly clever or funny. But, the second pic kinda made me chuckle... a little bit I guess. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 03, 2010, 06:00:10 PM
Post by: Undeadite on May 03, 2010, 06:00:10 PM
HA! It's funny if you're a Pokemon fanatic... and by that I mean if you're awesome. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 03, 2010, 06:34:51 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 03, 2010, 06:34:51 PM
Oh ok, I guess it just went over my head then! :D
Quick! Someone make one with this meme:
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Quick! Someone make one with this meme:
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on May 04, 2010, 01:12:22 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on May 04, 2010, 01:12:22 AM
i think i saw one related to the film's profit, but meh. its not funny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 04, 2010, 01:14:10 AM
Post by: SM on May 04, 2010, 01:14:10 AM
I guessed it was something to do with Pokemon. It gave me chuckles. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 04, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 04, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
So, page 300 should have a THIS! IS! SPARTA! refrence on it. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 05, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 05, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
I doubt it will get that far.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 05, 2010, 04:14:51 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 05, 2010, 04:14:51 AM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
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:D
Funny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 05, 2010, 06:19:11 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 05, 2010, 06:19:11 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 05, 2010, 04:14:51 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
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:D
Funny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
I haven't a clue, I just found it amusing. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 05, 2010, 06:36:54 AM
Post by: SM on May 05, 2010, 06:36:54 AM
QuoteFunny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
The story of Pocahontas is a teensy bit older than ol' Jimbob though.
Plus people have made comparisons to Fern Gully - the Last Rainforest from 1992. Amongst a bunch of other things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on May 05, 2010, 07:49:48 AM
Post by: Keg on May 05, 2010, 07:49:48 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 05, 2010, 04:14:51 AMQuote from: Purebreedalien on May 02, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
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:D
Funny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
Hahahahaha the story of pocahontas has been around for 400 years you plonker. There have been several films about Pocahontas way before Disneys version. Then youve got the comparisons to Fern Gully and Dances with Wolves, Last of The Mohicans etc. I loved Avatar but i'm not going to deny that its just a myriad of ideas from all those films and there isnt anything original about the story at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on May 05, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
Post by: Alien³ on May 05, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
Honesty out of Pocahontas, Dances with Wolves, fern Gully and Avatar I've watch Avatar any day of the week. Come on it's got frigg'n Amp suits!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 05, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 05, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: Keg on May 05, 2010, 07:49:48 AM
I loved Avatar but i'm not going to deny that its just a myriad of ideas from all those films and there isnt anything original about the story at all.
Almost every movie is a myriad of ideas from past creations, especially these days. There's not much new under the sun so I'm not bothered by a new take on an old formula. I agree the story isn't doing much for originality, but it was still highly entertaining and a visual effects benchmark for sure.
Speaking of nothing new... This thread is recycling again! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 05, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 05, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: SM on May 05, 2010, 06:36:54 AMI'm sure there aren't Grandma trees in history. :DQuoteFunny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
The story of Pocahontas is a teensy bit older than ol' Jimbob though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Requiem28 on May 05, 2010, 06:55:32 PM
Post by: Requiem28 on May 05, 2010, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 05, 2010, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: SM on May 05, 2010, 06:36:54 AMI'm sure there aren't Grandma trees in history. :DQuoteFunny image even though Cameron wrote the screenplay for the movie before Pocahontas IIRC?
The story of Pocahontas is a teensy bit older than ol' Jimbob though.
well, there is the home tree. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 05, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 05, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
QuotePlus people have made comparisons to Fern Gully - the Last Rainforest from 1992.
But Avatar is everything that Fern Gully wishes it can be. Fern Gully sucked, and bombed while Avatar was crictly great, and got a best picture nom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 05, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 05, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
But lost to the all powerfull hurt locker. Avatar still amazing though
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 05, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 05, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
Cameron must've been peeing blood when he lost to HL.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 05, 2010, 08:30:05 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 05, 2010, 08:30:05 PM
They must of had one weird marriage
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 05, 2010, 11:44:44 PM
Post by: SM on May 05, 2010, 11:44:44 PM
I'm sure he's had several.
This changes what exactly?
QuoteBut Avatar is everything that Fern Gully wishes it can be. Fern Gully sucked, and bombed while
Avatar was crictly great, and got a best picture nom.
This changes what exactly?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on May 06, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
Post by: Undeadite on May 06, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
Fern Gully was a masterpiece of a children's film. That is all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:17:03 AM
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:17:03 AM
Quote from: Cellien on May 05, 2010, 03:28:29 PMDoesn't excuse Avatar for being so bare-faced and trying to do nothing new with the plot.
Almost every movie is a myriad of ideas from past creations, especially these days.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:24:21 AM
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:24:21 AM
Which Avatards can't seem to grasp. Or choose to ignore.
We all know movies nick ideas from here and there - the trick is how well they are hidden/ turned into something new. Cameron can do this - he did it with Aliens. He didn't with Avatar. Please spare us "there's no new ideas these days" thing yet again. There's been no truly new ideas for a very, very long time. Just lots of inventive takes on old ideas.
Avatar is a showcase for technology - not story-telling.
We all know movies nick ideas from here and there - the trick is how well they are hidden/ turned into something new. Cameron can do this - he did it with Aliens. He didn't with Avatar. Please spare us "there's no new ideas these days" thing yet again. There's been no truly new ideas for a very, very long time. Just lots of inventive takes on old ideas.
Avatar is a showcase for technology - not story-telling.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:27:49 AM
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:27:49 AM
Deleted line from a recent Alien fan script I wrote:
Bolded part sums up my thoughts.
QuoteC/U TV SCREEN
The news is playing on the TV. It's the same pretty
newsreader.
NEWSREADER (O.S.)
Breaking news, James Cameron has just
finished a visit to his Mega Arena,
calling it 'The greatest f**king thing
ever, I mean God damn I'm awesome'.
While in town he was asked to comment
on the recent rioting Alien fans,
having once made an Alien movie before
making the switch to three-hundred
million dollar special effect
showreels. Cameron was quoted as
saying, 'I didn't give a f**k about
them in the nineteen eighties and I
don't give a f**k about them now',
echoing everyone else's continuing
apathy.
Bolded part sums up my thoughts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:29:38 AM
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:29:38 AM
Only $300 million. Well the tech's getting more affordable at least.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:30:47 AM
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:30:47 AM
Avatar's budget was only 235 or so, not counting the marketing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 07, 2010, 05:36:35 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 07, 2010, 05:36:35 AM
And they still couldn't afford a sound designer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:38:03 AM
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:38:03 AM
That always bugged me.
And they couldn't design a gas giant that didn't look like Jupiter coloured blue.
And they couldn't design a gas giant that didn't look like Jupiter coloured blue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:47:46 AM
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:47:46 AM
Needed moar gas giant. Love to see what he could with Arthur C Clarkes short story 'A Meeting With Medusa' which is set in Jupiter's atmosphere.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:59:10 AM
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:59:10 AM
SM you need to read Alien 6 already.
The only thing Avatar made me think of, is what kind'a movies you could do with that tech.
Two popped into mind immediately; Fantastic Planet, and Dante's Inferno.
The latter would be the last word in horror movies. All the punishments as described by Dante, in photorealistic CGI and 3D.
You would shit bricks.
The only thing Avatar made me think of, is what kind'a movies you could do with that tech.
Two popped into mind immediately; Fantastic Planet, and Dante's Inferno.
The latter would be the last word in horror movies. All the punishments as described by Dante, in photorealistic CGI and 3D.
You would shit bricks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 06:11:33 AM
Post by: SM on May 07, 2010, 06:11:33 AM
Digital 3D ones. Kinda like Legos. Hurties.
And I did read Alien 6 yesterday.
And I did read Alien 6 yesterday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2010, 05:17:03 AMQuote from: Cellien on May 05, 2010, 03:28:29 PMDoesn't excuse Avatar for being so bare-faced and trying to do nothing new with the plot.
Almost every movie is a myriad of ideas from past creations, especially these days.
No one ever claimed it was doing anything new with "the" plot. At least not Cameron or Fox. The hype came from a technical standpoint.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2010, 05:24:21 AM
There's been no truly new ideas for a very, very long time. Just lots of inventive takes on old ideas.
Avatar is a showcase for technology - not story-telling.
I don't choose to ignore, I accept it for what it was always supposed to be. I am not sure where this info that Avatar was going to be a new level of story-telling came from, in fact I am kind of confused how a director so known for "cliche characters" in the past was suddenly going to blow minds of a story-telling revelation. I knew what to expect from his past films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 10, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 10, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
in fact I am kind of confused how a director so known for "cliche characters" in the past was suddenly going to blow minds of a story-telling revelation.
What's annoying is that so many people claim he has.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
There is no doubt, imo, that he blew minds by way of immersion. Despite the familiar story, a movie experience has never felt so real, as in being there on the planet. There is no doubt this has to do largely with the technology (visual effects/3D), but I feel like his other movies had a way of pulling you in, in that regard, as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 10, 2010, 08:48:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 10, 2010, 08:48:06 PM
If you're a serious movie buff though, it's hard to get past the shallow story. Pretty visuals will only keep my attention for so long.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
If I'm a serious movie buff, I will probably watch a movie and know whether or not it's entertaining first and foremost, then be able to see it's strengths and weaknesses upon dissection afterwards.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 10, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
Post by: SiL on May 10, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: Cellien on May 10, 2010, 06:48:23 PMOkay, yeah. I get this.
No one ever claimed it was doing anything new with "the" plot.
But how the hell is that anything resembling an excuse? :-\
'This movie sucks! The plot is tired, clichéd, completely lacking in innovation and the characters are two dimensional at best.'
'When did we say it would be anything but?'
'Oh... well, in that case, good job!'
If it worked like that then the only movies we could criticize are movies that failed to live up to what the filmmakers promised in the hype. No-one would have an excuse to hate Uwe Boll half as much as they do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 10, 2010, 11:44:49 PM
Post by: SM on May 10, 2010, 11:44:49 PM
QuoteI am not sure where this info that Avatar was going to be a new level of story-telling came from, in fact I am kind of confused how a director so known for "cliche characters" in the past was suddenly going to blow minds of a story-telling revelation. I knew what to expect from his past films.
Then you'd be well aware he is perfectly capable of creating interesting characters with some modicum of depth.
Or maybe you aren't.
Also what SiL said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:24:20 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:24:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
Okay, yeah. I get this.
But how the hell is that anything resembling an excuse? :-\
I do not understand why the movie needs an excuse. Frankly, it's probably the last movie that actually needs one considering the level of success and even critical acclaim it's reached. It's not like it's a bad movie, or to be compared to a Uwe Boll film. Aside from that, the characters were personable with a familiar plot that was with a new take, for a movie anyways. I can buy that people didn't find the plot very original because it wasn't entirely, but the characters were very easy to relate to ...well clearly not for everyone, I guess. I think the movie was a hit for a number of reasons, however. As I have said before, I think the movie was able to transcend you to a new world in a more visceral way than movies before it. Blame it on the tech, I don't care. It was entertaining.
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2010, 11:44:49 PM
Then you'd be well aware he is perfectly capable of creating interesting characters with some modicum of depth.
Given all the audience had to take in, I think the level of character depth is adequate (though agreeably not perfect) and pretty much on par with other characters he's created in a first installation of a film. Sure there are things that I would like to have seen, but it left me wanting to see more... which is a good thing when you're dealing with such a large universe full of potential.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 04:01:59 AM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 04:01:59 AM
QuoteGiven all the audience had to take in, I think the level of character depth is adequate (though agreeably not perfect) and pretty much on par with other characters he's created in a first installation of a film.
After the first 10 minutes thanks to some appallingly ham fisted exposition*, what more had to be taken in in terms of the plot? We had a pretty good idea by that point how it was going to go, who were good guys and who were bad guys.
* - Which again was disappointing because Jimbob is again capable of so much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 11, 2010, 04:20:37 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 11, 2010, 04:20:37 AM
Look at it this way: you hater-guys were too smart for Avatar. Avatar was the blockbuster movie where everyone seeing it just goes with it and doesn't really think twice about how lame the story is or how flat the characters are or whatever it is you guys moan about.
The reason Avatar was successful was because it was meant to be enjoyed by a dumb audience. And theres lots of dumb people out there who paid to see it and loved it. Unfortunately for you guys, you aren't dumb so you didn't enjoy it.
The reason Avatar was successful was because it was meant to be enjoyed by a dumb audience. And theres lots of dumb people out there who paid to see it and loved it. Unfortunately for you guys, you aren't dumb so you didn't enjoy it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 04:50:09 AM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 04:50:09 AM
But we're happy that you did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 11, 2010, 06:29:19 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 11, 2010, 06:29:19 AM
:D
I enjoyed it too, yay for me!
I enjoyed it too, yay for me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2010, 07:57:22 AM
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2010, 07:57:22 AM
Quote from: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:24:20 AMIt doesn't.
I do not understand why the movie needs an excuse.
So why do people keep coming up with them?
'The story is ass!'
'Yeah, well, every movie takes from other movies! Yeah, well, it was written before Pocahontas! Yeah, well, they never said it would be amazing!'
QuoteGiven all the audience had to take inThis is what I don't understand.
What is so complex about Pandora that we need a plot so transparent we can see clear through the credits? What is so wonderful and fan-fabby-dabulous about the place that requires dumbing everything down to take it in?
It's a really pretty rainforest where everything can connect to everything else through their dicks and where the trees are like brain cells and there are flying mountains and a mineral in the ground that is, for reasons never explained, really, really valuable.
What's so hard to get about this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
Post by: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
not everyone is a hard-core critic, sure its not deep but the people who came to see it didnt come for that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 11, 2010, 01:35:16 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 11, 2010, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2010, 07:57:22 AM
It's a really pretty rainforest where everything can connect to everything else through their dicks and where the trees are like brain cells and there are flying mountains and a mineral in the ground that is, for reasons never explained, really, really valuable.
But it was fluorescent...
FLUORESCENT!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:09:56 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2010, 07:57:22 AMQuote from: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:24:20 AMIt doesn't.
I do not understand why the movie needs an excuse.
So why do people keep coming up with them?
Because you constantly suggest it needs one.
Quote
What's so hard to get about this?
There's a balance to appeal to sci-fi fans and people that aren't savvy to linking neural nerves between an alien and human brain operating on a distant planet (moon), let alone know what the hell an avatar is (or even care for sci-fi in general). That's why his movies are successful. Obviously he can do it. As a fan of hard sci-fi, I thought the balance was done well to appeal to the masses and suggest enough science that it could be plausible, but in no way did I ever expect hard science fiction aside from possibly an extended universe. There is no doubt a trade off in complexity vs BO success, but I felt it was balanced out well. It's not my favorite sci-fi movie, but it's miles far from a disaster like some suggest.
I don't even disagree about some of the complaints, but it was also one of the most entertaining experiences I've had at a theater in a long time. In my book, that's easily the most important factor of film-making or initial viewer reaction, especially for an action sci-fi spectacle.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2010, 04:01:59 AM
After the first 10 minutes thanks to some appallingly ham fisted exposition*, what more had to be taken in in terms of the plot? We had a pretty good idea by that point how it was going to go, who were good guys and who were bad guys.
But we knew that from the trailer. We know this for most movies, it's watching it unfold that is important, which I enjoyed. I knew the in Last Samurai (using example for it's similar plot) exactly the situation
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 11:44:06 PM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2010, 11:44:06 PM
I don't need twists either - I just don't want them to be so horribly predictable. All the way through Avatar I'm expecting Cameron to turn everything on it's head at some point. Then it never happened. At least with Aliens he kept us guessing. You assume from the outset that Burke is going to be the bad guy, then he throws Gorman and Bishop in to the mix and Burke is Ripley's only ally. Then it turns out he really is the bad guy after all, and Cameron had milked our expectation that Bishop was going to betray Ripley like Ash did, then defying it. That was the sort of thing I was hoping for.
I don't go into a Cameron flick to switch my brain off. Mostly. I watch Emmerich flicks for that.
And on a side note - the battle at the end - while spectacular in parts, seemed a bit tactically dumb. The shuttle had the makeshift machine gun nests on it. The shuttle should've been the primary target since that's what packing the explosives. Why didn't the dudes on the flying lizards focus everything on the shuttle from directly above where the guns couldn't point? Jake had just got done telling them how they had the home ground advantage. If they managed to get rid of the soldiers on the hull of the shuttle, the helicopter escort ships couldn't risk shooting at the Na'vi without shoothing the shuttle.
I don't go into a Cameron flick to switch my brain off. Mostly. I watch Emmerich flicks for that.
And on a side note - the battle at the end - while spectacular in parts, seemed a bit tactically dumb. The shuttle had the makeshift machine gun nests on it. The shuttle should've been the primary target since that's what packing the explosives. Why didn't the dudes on the flying lizards focus everything on the shuttle from directly above where the guns couldn't point? Jake had just got done telling them how they had the home ground advantage. If they managed to get rid of the soldiers on the hull of the shuttle, the helicopter escort ships couldn't risk shooting at the Na'vi without shoothing the shuttle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alienseseses on May 12, 2010, 12:44:52 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 12, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 12, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
I like that second one. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:03:48 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:03:48 AM
"The best artsits steal and hide where they stole it from and therefore get away with it" - SM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 01:07:54 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2010, 11:44:06 PM
I don't need twists either - I just don't want them to be so horribly predictable. All the way through Avatar I'm expecting Cameron to turn everything on it's head at some point. Then it never happened.
And on a side note - the battle at the end - while spectacular in parts, seemed a bit tactically dumb.
I agree that there were no real twists and there probably could have been a number of possible things he could have done with the plot that could add some depth, but I just don't think it detracted too much from the film, though it was fairly straight forward. I don't think the film was perfect, but highly enjoyable.
As for the fight at the end, I would have to watch it again to analyze it, but initially I would think going directly in for an attack on the momma ship w/out taking out some some of the heli vehicles would assure a fairly high casualty rate. I at least would like to fight my way in than just run through guns in wide open (unless I was in the middle!) :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:31:51 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:31:51 AM
Thing is though, them lizards were really fast and could dive straight down and the bad guys couldn't track them and the shuttle gunners couldn't fire straight up. Get close enough to the shuttle and the bad guys couldn't shoot the Na'vi without shooting up the shuttle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 01:36:00 AM
I do remember them hiding on cliff walls and then I thought they dove down to them, but I need to watch it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:48:55 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 01:48:55 AM
I almost got frustrated that they weren't attacking the shuttle en masse. Almost.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: botched on May 12, 2010, 08:30:49 AM
Post by: botched on May 12, 2010, 08:30:49 AM
"Super 8" may be J.J Abrams & Steven Spielberg's Back lash to Avatar, refuting it.
http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276835 :
Corporate greed is infecting society. Fight back! We are an Unmovement:
Look to your left,
No Avatar
Coincidence?
http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276835 :
Corporate greed is infecting society. Fight back! We are an Unmovement:
Look to your left,
No Avatar
Coincidence?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 08:39:15 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 08:39:15 AM
Quote from: botched on May 12, 2010, 08:30:49 AM
"Super 8" may be J.J Abrams & Steven Spielberg's Back lash to Avatar, refuting it.
http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276835 :
Corporate greed is infecting society. Fight back! We are an Unmovement:
Look to your left,
No Avatar
Coincidence?
yes it's a coincidence
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:09:56 PMAll I say is 'The writing is shit'.
Because you constantly suggest it needs one.
Nothing there asks for a reason. Shit writing is shit writing, I don't care why.
QuoteThere's a balance to appeal to sci-fi fans and people that aren't savvy to linking neural nerves between an alien and human brain operating on a distant planet (moon), let alone know what the hell an avatar is (or even care for sci-fi in general).The Matrix managed to communicate a largely more complex world in less time and with a more compelling, less obvious story.
And that movie was hell'a popular.
As much as people would like to believe the contrary, the general public isn't made almost exclusively of dribbling idiots who occasionally forget how to breathe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:15:20 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:12:05 AMQuote from: Cellien on May 11, 2010, 03:09:56 PMAll I say is 'The writing is shit'.
Because you constantly suggest it needs one.
Nothing there asks for a reason. Shit writing is shit writing, I don't care why.QuoteThere's a balance to appeal to sci-fi fans and people that aren't savvy to linking neural nerves between an alien and human brain operating on a distant planet (moon), let alone know what the hell an avatar is (or even care for sci-fi in general).The Matrix managed to communicate a largely more complex world in less time and with a more compelling, less obvious story.
And that movie was hell'a popular.
As much as people would like to believe the contrary, the general public isn't made almost exclusively of dribbling idiots who occasionally forget how to breathe.
it was popular but not THAT popular, the whol;e series combined didn't gross half as much as Avatar did.
http://ec2-174-129-253-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com/franchises/chart/?id=matrix.htm
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Noir-Gojira on May 12, 2010, 09:18:47 AM
Post by: Noir-Gojira on May 12, 2010, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: botched on May 12, 2010, 08:30:49 AM
http://www.coolscifi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276835 :
Corporate greed is infecting society. Fight back! We are an Unmovement:
not a member... (http://aap.blackaris2001.org/SIDESHOW/GigersAlienS.jpg)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:22:38 AM
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:15:20 AMNeither has the Alien franchise, it's still a hugely popular series. It took six Star Wars movies to gross twice as much as just Avatar - you're gonna say they're not popular?
it was popular but not THAT popular, the whol;e series combined didn't gross half as much as Avatar did.
http://ec2-174-129-253-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com/franchises/chart/?id=matrix.htm
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:56:16 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2010, 09:22:38 AMQuote from: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 09:15:20 AMNeither has the Alien franchise, it's still a hugely popular series. It took six Star Wars movies to gross twice as much as just Avatar - you're gonna say they're not popular?
it was popular but not THAT popular, the whol;e series combined didn't gross half as much as Avatar did.
http://ec2-174-129-253-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com/franchises/chart/?id=matrix.htm
for one thing those figures aren't adjusted for inflation, and thats 6 movies makinng double avatar, not 3 making lessd than half. and star wars has been around for 30 years. it's had longer to percolate into the collective consciousness. people that grew up on star wars are old enough to reference it in their movies and tv shows. also that's not including the existence of the expanded universe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
The original was a massive hit when it came out, and didn't generate near Avatar's money.
There are movies with just as much popularity as Avatar that didn't receive a third as much as it did. It's pretty unfair to say 'Well this isn't really that popular because all these movies didn't equal half of Avatar'
The Matrix was a world-wide hit that garnered a massive audience. So it didn't make Avatar's money, or near it - You can count on one hand the movies that have even reached half of Avatar's box office.
Shitloads of people still saw The Matrix and everyone was talking about the movies when they came out. My point stands.
There are movies with just as much popularity as Avatar that didn't receive a third as much as it did. It's pretty unfair to say 'Well this isn't really that popular because all these movies didn't equal half of Avatar'
The Matrix was a world-wide hit that garnered a massive audience. So it didn't make Avatar's money, or near it - You can count on one hand the movies that have even reached half of Avatar's box office.
Shitloads of people still saw The Matrix and everyone was talking about the movies when they came out. My point stands.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 10:25:28 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 10:25:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
The original was a massive hit when it came out, and didn't generate near Avatar's money.
There are movies with just as much popularity as Avatar that didn't receive a third as much as it did. It's pretty unfair to say 'Well this isn't really that popular because all these movies didn't equal half of Avatar'
The Matrix was a world-wide hit that garnered a massive audience. So it didn't make Avatar's money, or near it - You can count on one hand the movies that have even reached half of Avatar's box office.
Shitloads of people still saw The Matrix and everyone was talking about the movies when they came out. My point stands.
my point still stands that it wasn't as popular as Avatar. even if you take into account the fact that ticket prices might have doubled or maybe even tripled since then if you include the extra for 3D, less people went to see it at the cinema, than saw Avatar. most of the Matrix's popularity was on DVD/Video, and among people with geekish tendancies imho.
a lot of people were talking about Watchmen when it came out too, and that barely broke even. discussion =/= popularity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
It doesn't matter if the film reached new levels of popularity when it was officially released. People were still talking, they still went en masse to see it, and they were happy, by and large with what they got. It's the same story with Avatar, only it happened to make more money than The Matrix. And your point regarding geekish tendencies is irrelevant, considering just about everyone went to see the new Star Trek movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 12, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
And your point regarding geekish tendencies is irrelevant, considering just about everyone went to see the new Star Trek movie.
And a lot of the geeks that went to see Star Trek went on the internet and ripped it apart for appealing to the masses, despite how fun of a movie it was (and the critical success it too received).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 12, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
It doesn't matter if the film reached new levels of popularity when it was officially released. People were still talking, they still went en masse to see it, and they were happy, by and large with what they got. It's the same story with Avatar, only it happened to make more money than The Matrix. And your point regarding geekish tendencies is irrelevant, considering just about everyone went to see the new Star Trek movie.
that's because people had heard of star trek and jj abrams, the matric and the W bros were new and untested, for a new IP and directors i think the matrix did very well cinematically.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
Having heard of ST doesn't that much only because for the longest time, Star Trek was dismissed as only appealing to one particular group of people: sci-fi geeks and science nerds. Why do you think Abrams made the film more action-heavy than previous films?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
Quotemy point still stands that it wasn't as popular as Avatar
That wasn't your point. You said "it was popular but not THAT popular"
Yes it WAS THAT popular. It was heralded as the successor to Star Wars and fans were jumping off Star Wars in the wake of Episode 1 and jumping on The Matrix bandwagon big time.
Comparing it to Avatar is pointless though because nothing is as popular as Avatar in terms of box office.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 06:33:30 AM
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 06:33:30 AM
Exactly.
Despite how many people were talking about The Matrix, I never once heard people say it was too complex for them to get. The movie explained itself in simple terms and told itself wonderfully through action set-piece after action set-piece. The general audience 'got' it without sacrificing plot.
Despite how many people were talking about The Matrix, I never once heard people say it was too complex for them to get. The movie explained itself in simple terms and told itself wonderfully through action set-piece after action set-piece. The general audience 'got' it without sacrificing plot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 06:50:24 AM
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 06:50:24 AM
And people were praising it for having a fairly complex and original story (in Hollywood terms at least) but still being generally accessible.
Of course people picked up on the Campbellian monomyth parallels, but like Star Wars they weren't in your face.
Of course people picked up on the Campbellian monomyth parallels, but like Star Wars they weren't in your face.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 08:30:24 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 08:30:24 AM
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2010, 11:02:27 PMQuotemy point still stands that it wasn't as popular as Avatar
That wasn't your point. You said "it was popular but not THAT popular"
i honestly don't see the difference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 08:43:58 AM
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 08:43:58 AM
Either way your point was stupid. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 09:00:49 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 09:00:49 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2010, 08:43:58 AM
Either way your point was stupid. :-\
my point was that The Matrix wasn't as popular as Avatar, how is that stupid? it's a hard fact. i never mentioned anything about quality, or deservedness.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 11:34:45 AM
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2010, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 09:00:49 AMIt was stupid for the following reasons:
my point was that The Matrix wasn't as popular as Avatar, how is that stupid?
One, I never said it was. I simply said The Matrix was/is hell'a popular.
Which it was/is.
Two, Avatar is the highest grossing film. Ever. Adjusted for inflation. If we use box-office to determine popularity then no movie ever made has been as popular as Avatar.
It's a completely asinine statement to make and there was no reason for you to ever make it.
Yes, The Matrix isn't as big as Avatar.
No, that doesn't mean it's not still popular.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 01:07:32 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2010, 11:34:45 AMwell it seems were in agreement,Quote from: AvatarIII on May 13, 2010, 09:00:49 AMIt was stupid for the following reasons:
my point was that The Matrix wasn't as popular as Avatar, how is that stupid?
One, I never said it was. I simply said The Matrix was/is hell'a popular.
Which it was/is.
Two, Avatar is the highest grossing film. Ever. Adjusted for inflation. If we use box-office to determine popularity then no movie ever made has been as popular as Avatar.
It's a completely asinine statement to make and there was no reason for you to ever make it.
Yes, The Matrix isn't as big as Avatar.
No, that doesn't mean it's not still popular.
when you bought up the matrix you were using it as an example of a better/more complex/intelligent sci-fi movie that was really popular, right? and i agree, it was popular, and still is.
my point was even as popular as it was, Avatar must have done something right to be much more popular. beit it's simplistic message, it's calculated way of aiming for all demographics, the way it was marketed etc.
i was never taking into account how popular things rrae now because there are no numbers for that, comparing box office takings is the easiest way to look at popularity on release. you can't compare the matrix now to avatar now because the matrix is a decade old.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 13, 2010, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 13, 2010, 03:09:00 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2010, 08:43:58 AM
Either way your point was stupid. :-\
AvatarIII mentioned it was never as popular after it was already brought up, so I don't think it's very fair to call his point stupid. It's simply a factual statement based on your original point.
On a side note, it's widely known that people said the sequels to the Matrix confused them and arose more questions than answered thanks to the fast talking old white dude. :P The original, I agree, did a fairly good job of a semi-complex plot w/ accessibility... not that it was that complex either. At least one of the good guys did the 'ole switcherwoo though and turned on his bestest freendz!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
That's the thing.
Matrix wasn't that original either. It took from all kinds of stories. The "Chosen One" arc in particular is one that has been used ad nauseum. But Matrix still felt new and unpredictable. It hid its unoriginality. Avatar didn't.
Matrix wasn't that original either. It took from all kinds of stories. The "Chosen One" arc in particular is one that has been used ad nauseum. But Matrix still felt new and unpredictable. It hid its unoriginality. Avatar didn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on May 13, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Post by: Alien³ on May 13, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Man who cares if it's plot wasn't exactly original, the point is did it execute that plot well?
I believe it did.
I believe it did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TITANOSAUR on May 13, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
Post by: TITANOSAUR on May 13, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
I rented Avatar here last week actualy. I liked it. I didn't think it "was the Greatest Film Ever Made!!!!!!!111!1" but I liked it. thought the beasts and the mechs looked pretty cool. (thought the Toruk beast was kickass!) the story was pretty straight forward. it basicly did its job. told you what was going on and what not. thats pretty basic in movies these days. a basic plot for the average Joe and Janes. so its only nateral for much more smarter people to think less of the film.
personaly, I don't think there was enough breasts. perferably with the human charactors. you got lots from the main Na'Vi female lead. but mainly due to the fact that Na'Vi don't where clothings like we do.
anyways. as far for the CGI, I thought it was pretty good. it was needed when it was needed. and it was believable.
something about the plot and theme was unsettling for me. I don't know what but I plan to find out. once I do I will report back. it could have just been me. but the film made me think humans where evil. hmmm. odd. I still liked the movie though, even if the humans did make me feel bad about myself. MAN I hate films like that. ah well.
personaly, I don't think there was enough breasts. perferably with the human charactors. you got lots from the main Na'Vi female lead. but mainly due to the fact that Na'Vi don't where clothings like we do.
anyways. as far for the CGI, I thought it was pretty good. it was needed when it was needed. and it was believable.
something about the plot and theme was unsettling for me. I don't know what but I plan to find out. once I do I will report back. it could have just been me. but the film made me think humans where evil. hmmm. odd. I still liked the movie though, even if the humans did make me feel bad about myself. MAN I hate films like that. ah well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
Post by: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
I found it really goddamned predictable myself.
The thing about Cameron - and most good filmmakers do this - is that he have something mentioned in the film that doesn't have relevance later on. So if Character X mentions to Character Y that no-one's tamed Monster Z in a very long time, I'm already forced to conclude that Character Y will tame Monster Z.
The difference between Cameron and someone else is he'll make it overt. Even Aliens does this while the marines are talking about the Alien population and they reason that there must be some source of eggs. It foreshadows the Queen encounter much later on. If you think about what a film is, you can at that point go "there will be a climactic encounter with the Queen Alien" because it's such an obvious trick that it doesn't even count as one.
So that kind of thing, combined with the tropes of the thematic genre, made the film really predictable. For me, the only tension was when we didn't know how a problem was going to resolve. The plot itself played out like a video game, all the way down to a goddamned boss encounter.
Avatar should've presented the Na'vi as fierce savages and tricked us into hating them before thrusting us into their world and revealing that they're essentially white people who think they're being coloured. Binding marriages, sexual exclusivity, monarchic authority structure... isn't this all white people stuff? Give us some motherf**king communism or anarchism or something. Something that confronts audiences and forces them to come to terms with something alien and different, but still legitimate.
Until Avatar does that, it's as empty and insincere as a film possibly can be.
The thing about Cameron - and most good filmmakers do this - is that he have something mentioned in the film that doesn't have relevance later on. So if Character X mentions to Character Y that no-one's tamed Monster Z in a very long time, I'm already forced to conclude that Character Y will tame Monster Z.
The difference between Cameron and someone else is he'll make it overt. Even Aliens does this while the marines are talking about the Alien population and they reason that there must be some source of eggs. It foreshadows the Queen encounter much later on. If you think about what a film is, you can at that point go "there will be a climactic encounter with the Queen Alien" because it's such an obvious trick that it doesn't even count as one.
So that kind of thing, combined with the tropes of the thematic genre, made the film really predictable. For me, the only tension was when we didn't know how a problem was going to resolve. The plot itself played out like a video game, all the way down to a goddamned boss encounter.
Avatar should've presented the Na'vi as fierce savages and tricked us into hating them before thrusting us into their world and revealing that they're essentially white people who think they're being coloured. Binding marriages, sexual exclusivity, monarchic authority structure... isn't this all white people stuff? Give us some motherf**king communism or anarchism or something. Something that confronts audiences and forces them to come to terms with something alien and different, but still legitimate.
Until Avatar does that, it's as empty and insincere as a film possibly can be.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on May 13, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Man who cares if it's plot wasn't exactly original, the point is did it execute that plot well?
I believe it did.
I don't. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 13, 2010, 06:08:15 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 13, 2010, 06:08:15 PM
I thought it did well, though I don't disagree it's predictability. There was a lot riding on the visuals and 3D tech, no doubt about it, but I found the end result quite captivating, personally. Still not a fan of the blue people design really, though their emotion grew on me in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 13, 2010, 10:12:40 PM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 13, 2010, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 05:08:30 PMSo true. Although its the kind of predictable where I didn't really realize how predictable it actually was until I thought about it just now. Almost subliminal in a way.
I found it really goddamned predictable myself.
::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 10:20:22 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 10:20:22 PM
About Avatar's plot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As8L-0bwsM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As8L-0bwsM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on May 13, 2010, 10:22:12 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on May 13, 2010, 10:22:12 PM
Okay, so this thread has gone through the unoriginality and predictability stages again, so what's next?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Back to the sci-fi debate? Personally, I just wanted an excuse to post that song somewhere.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on May 13, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on May 13, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
I'll bet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 13, 2010, 11:08:03 PM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 13, 2010, 11:08:03 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
I found it really goddamned predictable myself.
The thing about Cameron - and most good filmmakers do this - is that he have something mentioned in the film that doesn't have relevance later on. So if Character X mentions to Character Y that no-one's tamed Monster Z in a very long time, I'm already forced to conclude that Character Y will tame Monster Z.
The difference between Cameron and someone else is he'll make it overt. Even Aliens does this while the marines are talking about the Alien population and they reason that there must be some source of eggs. It foreshadows the Queen encounter much later on. If you think about what a film is, you can at that point go "there will be a climactic encounter with the Queen Alien" because it's such an obvious trick that it doesn't even count as one.
So that kind of thing, combined with the tropes of the thematic genre, made the film really predictable. For me, the only tension was when we didn't know how a problem was going to resolve. The plot itself played out like a video game, all the way down to a goddamned boss encounter.
Avatar should've presented the Na'vi as fierce savages and tricked us into hating them before thrusting us into their world and revealing that they're essentially white people who think they're being coloured. Binding marriages, sexual exclusivity, monarchic authority structure... isn't this all white people stuff? Give us some motherf**king communism or anarchism or something. Something that confronts audiences and forces them to come to terms with something alien and different, but still legitimate.
Until Avatar does that, it's as empty and insincere as a film possibly can be.
If you saw Aliens for the first time, no you wouldn't know what they're talking about laying the eggs. You just see that as obvious becuase you've probalby seen the film 200 times.
I also think describing sexual exlustivity, marriage, and monarchal power structures as a purely white phenomenon to be pretty exaggerated. This things have existed with every race. Is it very human though? Well yeah.
Personally, I thought the film was fantastic. No, not all the themes and parts of the plot it implemented are completely original. But if you want to go down that route, everyone who makes that argument is a humongous hypocrite since all the films they applaud probalby borrow equally and even from more likely soruces. The reason Avatar gets this kind of flack is because it's the biggest grossing movie in history, and certain nerds out there tend to resent something for being popular even if it is really well crafted. Something that isn't as popular, lets say Enemy Mine, anothr scifi film that obviously has roots in the same kind of naratives, will never get this kind of criticism becasue it's popularity does not attract resentment.
There was plenty that was "new" to me Avatar as well. I don't really expect everything to be so radically inventive that it leaves me disjoined while I'm wathcing it. Maybe that's best for some films to be that thematically radical, but I can perfectly enjoy something that only pushes the envelope a decent amount instead of being a complete experiment.
QuoteUntil Avatar does that, it's as empty and insincere as a film possibly can be.You only perceive that by yourself though. Plenty of people think the total opposite, like the movie going public and most film critics, so oh well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
It's not so much that it borrowed heavily from other sources. Alien, District 9, The Terminator, and countless others have done so. It's that it doesn't even try to hide where it got it's ideas, nor does it try to do something new with them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
QuoteIt foreshadows the Queen encounter much later on. If you think about what a film is, you can at that point go "there will be a climactic encounter with the Queen Alien" because it's such an obvious trick that it doesn't even count as one.
The Queen had to be flagged - though the theatrical cut did it a lot better without the extra dialogue from Hudson and Vasquez. When things like that don't get flagged we end up with Resurrection and going WTF?
QuoteNo, not all the themes and parts of the plot it implemented are completely original. But if you want to go down that route, everyone who makes that argument is a humongous hypocrite since all the films they applaud probalby borrow equally and even from more likely soruces. The reason Avatar gets this kind of flack is because it's the biggest grossing movie in history, and certain nerds out there tend to resent something for being popular even if it is really well crafted.
Same boring old 'haters will be haters' bullshit.
We KNOW other movies borrow from other sources. We also KNOW that other movies often hide it a lot better than Avatar did. In fact MOST other movies hide it better than Avatar did.
As per SpaceMarines post, District 9 uses one of the same themes as Avatar - oppressor turns on his own people to fight with the 'savages' - to say nothing of the obvious apartheid/ black townships allegory. Except, there was nothing altruistic about Wikus helping the prawns like in Avatar/ Pocahontas/ Last Samurai etc. He did it for selfish reasons because he wanted to be cured and only at the last minute did he actually do anything selfless. Things like this take a familiar theme, but turn on it on it's head. That's what I hoped Avatar would do - but it didn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on May 13, 2010, 11:46:31 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on May 13, 2010, 11:46:31 PM
And that's why District 9 is the best sci-fi movie of 2009, not Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 11:48:57 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 11:48:57 PM
Hell, I'd go as far as to say it was the best movie of 2009, at least of the ones I've seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 11:51:28 PM
Post by: SM on May 13, 2010, 11:51:28 PM
D9 and Up were the two best for mine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on May 13, 2010, 11:52:50 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on May 13, 2010, 11:52:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 13, 2010, 11:48:57 PM
Hell, I'd go as far as to say it was the best movie of 2009, at least of the ones I've seen.
Good point. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 12:28:21 AM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 12:28:21 AM
QuoteSame boring old 'haters will be haters' bullshit.
We KNOW other movies borrow from other sources. We also KNOW that other movies often hide it a lot better than Avatar did. In fact MOST other movies hide it better than Avatar did.
As per SpaceMarines post, District 9 uses one of the same themes as Avatar - oppressor turns on his own people to fight with the 'savages' - to say nothing of the obvious apartheid/ black townships allegory. Except, there was nothing altruistic about Wikus helping the prawns like in Avatar/ Pocahontas/ Last Samurai etc. He did it for selfish reasons because he wanted to be cured and only at the last minute did he actually do anything selfless. Things like this take a familiar theme, but turn on it on it's head. That's what I hoped Avatar would do - but it didn't.
The Haters Will Be Haters bullshit will also be especially true in a forum where certain individuals already reasented James Cameron to a ridiculous degree of excess and were shitting on it before it was even released.
As for Avatar not hiding it's influences as well as other films, the films people cite as influencing it didn't even really influence it, making it even more annoying. You just meitnioned the Pochahontas comparison like most people bitch about this film do, but a filme James Cameron wrote a treatment for in 1994 did not come from an animated Disney film in 1996. And some of it's strongest influences, like let's say John Carter of Mars, are never even brought up by the film's wannabe detractors, so yeah I don't see that holding that much water imo. As for Avatar using paralisms to tribal cultures like the native Americans, there was a hell of a lot of that in science fiction long before some f**king movie starring Kevin Costner. The film primarily comes from scifi novels James Cameron read as a youth. End of story. No one ever bitched about the "going Tribal" plotline before this movie either.
QuoteAnd that's why District 9 is the best sci-fi movie of 2009, not Avatar.
I like District 9, but that film is far cornier to me than Avatar. I mean he's exposed to something and transforms into an alien? How many times was that used in a film before, like 80,000, yet it's not criticized at all because it wasn't as big as Avatar. Everyone thinks District 9 was super inventive though just because it visually seemed to paralel shanty towns in certain areas that exist now. That honestly does not make it suddenly more valuable to me than some of the commentary made in Avatar becuase the culture resembles native Americans living in nature instead of people living in filth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
I cannot think of another film that involves a human transforming into an Alien on the molecular level. Oh, I'm sure there's quite a few, but nowhere near the number that involve the "noble savage" and the white man that will save them all. Also, the story of Pocahontas is centuries older than both Avatar and the Disney adaptation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 01:01:32 AM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 01:01:32 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
I cannot think of another film that involves a human transforming into an Alien on the molecular level. Oh, I'm sure there's quite a few, but nowhere near the number that involve the "noble savage" and the white man that will save them all. Also, the story of Pocahontas is centuries older than both Avatar and the Disney adaptation.
The Fly???? This is an extremely common film trope. You have heard of werewolves, vampires, and zombies, correct? Yes, that plot line certainly exceeds the "civilized" outsider becomes part of a tribe theme in films.
And please the people who whine about Pochhontas never read the novels that romantacized the story in the 1800's or whatever. They're referring to the Disney film. If it's ok to criticize something for being sorta similar to a story that existed before recent history, there goes the vast majority of film that borrowed from Shakespeare.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 01:05:22 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 01:05:22 AM
How is a zombie similar to what happened to Wikus? Anyways, I can see your point, but that doesn't change anything. The reason everyone heralds District 9 for being so original is that it: A) did a good job at covering up where it took ideas from, and B) it took those stories and did something new with them, adding its own twist, resulting in something original. Cameron is perfectly capable of this; he has done it many times. With Avatar, he simply got lazy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:15:33 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:15:33 AM
QuoteNo one ever bitched about the "going Tribal" plotline before this movie either.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the "going tribal" storyline, it's just that I hoped Cameron could do something new with it, like he's done to great effect in the past and he didn't.
QuoteIf it's ok to criticize something for being sorta similar to a story that existed before recent history, there goes the vast majority of film that borrowed from Shakespeare.
Point seems to have been well and truly missed. Quel surprise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 01:32:02 AM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 01:32:02 AM
QuotePoint seems to have been well and truly missed. Quel surprise.
Yes, I arleady heard the last 10 times that "other films did a better job of hiding their influences" was repeated in this thread. The problem with that though it its a lie. The people don't recognize the influence in other films becuase they weren't familar with what influenced it. Like how the f**k are you going to know that Aliens was influeced by Starship Troopers if you don't even know what the novel is? In Avatar's case some idiots had seen Pochahontas and Dances With Wolves which draw from a similar narative, and blamo it's a "ripoff." The 100,000 Shakespear "knockoffs" don't targeted either because the movie going public doesn't seemt to give a shit about lierature. Again if this argument wasn't bullshit to me, people would be decrying it for ripping off John Carter of Mars, the biggest influence on the film. But noone does that, do they?
Quoteit took those stories and did something new with them, adding its own twist, resulting in something original.
This would be my exact description of Avatar. If what you said was true about it, the film wouldn't have been as popular as it was. People kept going back to it for repeate viewings, becuase it was a new experience for them. It did something completely new whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:40:28 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:40:28 AM
QuoteThe problem with that though it its a lie.
:D
QuoteLike how the f**k are you going to know that Aliens was influeced by Starship Troopers if you don't even know what the novel is?
It's not influenced by SST so much as Alien in terms of beats and motifs.
QuoteIn Avatar's case some idiots had seen Pochahontas and Dances With Wolves which draw from a similar narative, and blamo it's a "ripoff."
Here - once again - is the point being missed. It's not so much that it's a ripoff - the story's been done a stack of times before obviously - it's just that Cameron didn't do anything new with it. Which leaves it looking like a ripoff. I saw Tom Cruise dying at the end of Last Samurai as a twist on the theme, and was almost hoping Cambo would do the same. Anything to not make it so predictable.
I do so hope he doesn't have Siggy come back Obi-Wan style as an Avatar of Eywa in Avatars after she died Obi-Wan style. But I bet he does.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 01:44:01 AM
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 01:44:01 AM
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It was prettier than any movie they'd ever seen.
And in a new shiny style of 3D.
The end.
Quote from: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 01:32:02 AMYou're right.
People kept going back to it for repeate viewings, becuase it was a new experience for them. It did something completely new whether you like it or not.
It was prettier than any movie they'd ever seen.
And in a new shiny style of 3D.
The end.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 14, 2010, 01:48:31 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 14, 2010, 01:48:31 AM
Quote from: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 12:28:21 AM
I like District 9, but that film is far cornier to me than Avatar.
How?
Avatar had scenes with people screaming "You murderers!" and looking sad in slow-motion while overbearingly sad music plays. It doesn't get cornier than that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 01:49:53 AM
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 01:49:53 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 14, 2010, 01:48:31 AMDistrict 9 had a lead character who was actually a fully developed human being.
It doesn't get cornier than that.
So corny, dude, so corny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:54:17 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:54:17 AM
QuoteDistrict 9 had a lead character who was actually a fully developed human being.
Who was an insipid twat - that you STILL managed to empathise with.
One thing I noticed when I watched Avatar again was - how did this win an Oscar for cinematography? A lto fo it was decent, but some stuff - like when Jake first meets the hammerhead rhino and the other thing that chases him - the camera work was so forced. I dunno how it was done, but it looked like they were trying really hard to make it look hand held/ steadicam, and something about it didn't look right. Not the characters or monsters or the environment which were all convincing, but the camera work looked... off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
District 9 actually had a main character that only cared about himself. You see very few films in which the lead is a selfish bastard but also someone you root for IMO.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2010, 01:54:17 AMExactly.
Who was an insipid twat - that you STILL managed to empathise with.
You hated him, but agreed with him.
And then he got in the robo suit and laid the smack down, and you liked him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:18:43 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:18:43 AM
He killed a man by throwing a pig at him. A pig. Another thing I found funny was that, even though the corporation/humanity was supposed to be the villains in Avatar, I still found myself rooting for them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 02:25:27 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 02:25:27 AM
I didn't. Quaritch and the Burke clone were waffer theen, but still eminently hateable (partly because they were so waffer theen).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:26:21 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:26:21 AM
I guess I'm just a sucker for anthropocentrism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:26:48 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:26:48 AM
I thought Quaritch was really cool. Despite his lack of character development, I found him to be my favorite character.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:28:16 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:28:16 AM
He was cliché to the point of awesome! I loved how he'd just run outside, into the poisonous alien atmosphere, without a mask and just start f**king shooting things!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
He was such a total badass.
"You're not in Kansas anymore. Everyone out there wants to kill you..."
And the scene when his arm is on fire, and he gets into the mech, it doesn't even bother him, awesome!
"You're not in Kansas anymore. Everyone out there wants to kill you..."
And the scene when his arm is on fire, and he gets into the mech, it doesn't even bother him, awesome!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 02:30:28 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 02:30:28 AM
QuoteHe was cliché to the point of awesome! I loved how he'd just run outside, into the poisonous alien atmosphere, without a mask and just start f**king shooting things!
I dug that bit. Mainly cos it was the only real thing that surprised me.
Quote"You're not in Kansas anymore. Everyone out there wants to kill you..."
Sadly he also seemed to get the lions share of the appalling dialogue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 03:02:00 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 03:02:00 AM
Cameron did something I didn't think was possible. He made a character so cliché and predictable, he did things we didn't expect!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:04:29 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:04:29 AM
Who despised the Avatar program but couldn't actually fight them effectively without his own avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:06:34 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:06:34 AM
He had the chance to kill Jake. But he just had to do his cliché villain speech, "How does it feel to betray your own race?" Rather than just slitting Jake's throat and be done with it. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:09:01 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:09:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2010, 01:44:01 AM
You're right.
It was prettier than any movie they'd ever seen.
And in a new shiny style of3Dspecial effects.
The end.
Sounds like what made Star Wars a hit originally. Escapism, entertaining, and eye candy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 03:13:53 AM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 03:13:53 AM
QuoteYou're right.
It was prettier than any movie they'd ever seen.
And in a new shiny style of 3D.
The end.
Yes, and it was praised by critics becuase it looked "pretty." Anyways, I knew this forum was inhabited by James Cameron hating twats years before this film was even released, so I'll leave it at that. The end.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:14:24 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:14:24 AM
Promise?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:15:24 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:15:24 AM
Where's the golden rule that says some of us have to like his work?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:18:56 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:18:56 AM
I only know of one person who actually hates Cameron and he hasn't posted for yonks.
Of course if you don't crack a fat over Avatar, the only other option for extremists is that you hate Cameron.
Of course if you don't crack a fat over Avatar, the only other option for extremists is that you hate Cameron.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on May 14, 2010, 03:20:37 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on May 14, 2010, 03:20:37 AM
I don't see any Cameron haters anywhere on this site. I don't think I've ever seen ONE post that was obviously made by a hater in all the time i've been on this forum.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 03:21:38 AM
Post by: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 03:21:38 AM
Quote from: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:15:24 AM
Where's the golden rule that says some of us have to like his work?
I didn't say people have to like his work, but the problem with this fourm in particular (and one other forum inhabited by the exact same people) is that several people are kind of biased as f**k against him due to elitism. If you want more elitist brownie points in Alien fandom you hate the pretty much universally loved sequel and act like it ruined everything that was so godly about the first film. The fact that they would pretend like Avatar has absolutley no merit like total douchebags, going against the rest of the planet, wouldn't surprise me much. This is pretty much a fact. I've had arguments with people from here before who think he was the worst film maker alive before this movie was even released.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:22:23 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:22:23 AM
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:18:56 AM
I only know of one person who actually hates Cameron and he hasn't posted for yonks.
Of course if you don't crack a fat over Avatar, the only other option for extremists is that you hate Cameron.
Then again if don't have a hate-on for it, you're an "Avatard" or many other names that have graced this thread...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:23:59 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:23:59 AM
Of course. ;D
:D
You so angry.
QuoteIf you want to be more elitist brownie points in Alien fandom you hate the pretty much universally loved sequel and act like it ruined everything that was so godly about the first film.
:D
You so angry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:29:56 AM
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 03:29:56 AM
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:23:59 AM
Of course. ;D
:D
I'll just be sure to never go FULL AVATARD.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on May 14, 2010, 03:30:14 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on May 14, 2010, 03:30:14 AM
HAHAHA
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:30:36 AM
Post by: First Blood on May 14, 2010, 03:30:36 AM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:37:55 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:37:55 AM
"You know that's a true story? Lady lost her kid!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on May 14, 2010, 03:47:52 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 14, 2010, 03:47:52 AM
Actually, it is. A dingo came into a campsite and snatched the baby. No one believed her and she was tried and convicted of the child's murder. The conviction was overturned when conclusive evidence that she was telling the truth (her baby's clothing covered in blood and dingo saliva) was found.
If you already knew that, then I apologize.
Oh hell. Now I made the thread depressing! Okay. Lets see. I know!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKH2z32cs4Q
If you already knew that, then I apologize.
Oh hell. Now I made the thread depressing! Okay. Lets see. I know!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKH2z32cs4Q
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 04:02:07 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2010, 04:02:07 AM
QuoteIf you already knew that, then I apologize
Apology accepted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: XenoVC on May 14, 2010, 05:29:00 AM
Post by: XenoVC on May 14, 2010, 05:29:00 AM
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2010, 03:23:59 AM
QuoteIf you want to be more elitist brownie points in Alien fandom you hate the pretty much universally loved sequel and act like it ruined everything that was so godly about the first film.
Where's the brownies you promised?
I am dissapoint
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 08:51:14 AM
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2010, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: J-Syxx on May 14, 2010, 03:21:38 AMYeah, cos they could never have genuine criticisms of the man's work or anything. Must be the elitism.
several people are kind of biased as f**k against him due to elitism.
It's like back when AvPR was being released. It was out-right inconceivable that people might have a reason for not liking something they were shown -- they were just haters who shit-talked the film because it was cool.
It was bullshit then, it's bullshit now.
QuoteI've had arguments with people from here before who think he was the worst film maker alive before this movie was even released.People?
Name one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on May 14, 2010, 09:15:11 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on May 14, 2010, 09:15:11 AM
I like it here.
In terms of criticism, this place is the opposite of my older brother. He can be annoying, since he'll defend something just because it exists. The kind of person who can envision any book, game or concept as a movie, but doesn't have the critical sense to see why things might go awry.
This place will criticise something just because it exists. And that's by no means a bad or negative thing. It doesn't imply hatred as much as it implies a willingness to be analytical and sensible.
In terms of criticism, this place is the opposite of my older brother. He can be annoying, since he'll defend something just because it exists. The kind of person who can envision any book, game or concept as a movie, but doesn't have the critical sense to see why things might go awry.
This place will criticise something just because it exists. And that's by no means a bad or negative thing. It doesn't imply hatred as much as it implies a willingness to be analytical and sensible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on May 14, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Post by: Sylizar on May 14, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Anyone post the news about Avatar 2's release date being announced in a few months? That was said, as well as James Cameron stating that Avatar 2 will only take 18 months to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on May 14, 2010, 02:00:26 PM
Post by: MadassAlex on May 14, 2010, 02:00:26 PM
I guess this is a little off-topic, but I just rewatched Jurassic Park.
Why I thought it was relevant here is because it's the spiritual precursor to Avatar in terms of advancement of visual technologies and setting up a living, breathing, inhabited world. And it seems so organic compared to Avatar. It evokes significant emotional responses without any floating rocks, blue cat sex or trying to call on white guilt.
This is probably partially because it doesn't beat you over the head with its political stance. JP gives you an explanation of the protagonists' stance fairly early in the film and lets the rest of the film prove their point implicitly rather than signposting the emotions and thoughts the film wants you to have. The character of Malcolm in particular is great for this, because he expresses some of the basic theory behind Grant and Saddler's position with humour. And despite the fact that he's Mr. Exposition and in favour of their viewpoint, Malcolm sells Grant and Saddler their own position -- he just puts it in terms less relevant to their field of expertise.
This is subtlety and Avatar has none of it. I guess that's why I couldn't connect to the film; it constantly reminds you that it's a film and not reality without even touching the visual aspect, whereas Jurassic Park is plausible enough (unless you're a trained biologist) to get sucked into entirely.
A little while ago I read an article accusing Avatar of being an example of post-content cinema. I have to agree. There's something that Jurassic Park, Alien, The Matrix, Moon, and many others all have, and that's discussion. None of those films force you to swallow their viewpoints. Apart from being entertaining, they make some convincing arguments without talking down to you. Avatar talked you down to the bone and then tried to force-feed you its view. That's the sort of dumb shit I'd expect from crappy anime that think it's deep. And just as I wrote that, I realised that I made the most apt comparison possible: crappy anime. All the fakeness, spectacle, forced emotional reactions, it's as if I've experienced and hated it all before.
Avatar had brilliant effects and A-list actors, but by the end of the film, I didn't really care about any of the characters or what happened on the planet. Jurassic Park made me care from start to finish with all the plausibility that Avatar couldn't muster.
Why I thought it was relevant here is because it's the spiritual precursor to Avatar in terms of advancement of visual technologies and setting up a living, breathing, inhabited world. And it seems so organic compared to Avatar. It evokes significant emotional responses without any floating rocks, blue cat sex or trying to call on white guilt.
This is probably partially because it doesn't beat you over the head with its political stance. JP gives you an explanation of the protagonists' stance fairly early in the film and lets the rest of the film prove their point implicitly rather than signposting the emotions and thoughts the film wants you to have. The character of Malcolm in particular is great for this, because he expresses some of the basic theory behind Grant and Saddler's position with humour. And despite the fact that he's Mr. Exposition and in favour of their viewpoint, Malcolm sells Grant and Saddler their own position -- he just puts it in terms less relevant to their field of expertise.
This is subtlety and Avatar has none of it. I guess that's why I couldn't connect to the film; it constantly reminds you that it's a film and not reality without even touching the visual aspect, whereas Jurassic Park is plausible enough (unless you're a trained biologist) to get sucked into entirely.
A little while ago I read an article accusing Avatar of being an example of post-content cinema. I have to agree. There's something that Jurassic Park, Alien, The Matrix, Moon, and many others all have, and that's discussion. None of those films force you to swallow their viewpoints. Apart from being entertaining, they make some convincing arguments without talking down to you. Avatar talked you down to the bone and then tried to force-feed you its view. That's the sort of dumb shit I'd expect from crappy anime that think it's deep. And just as I wrote that, I realised that I made the most apt comparison possible: crappy anime. All the fakeness, spectacle, forced emotional reactions, it's as if I've experienced and hated it all before.
Avatar had brilliant effects and A-list actors, but by the end of the film, I didn't really care about any of the characters or what happened on the planet. Jurassic Park made me care from start to finish with all the plausibility that Avatar couldn't muster.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on May 14, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
Great post. Man, Jurassic Park kicks-ass, whilst taking names!
Yay! *claps hands*
Quote from: TheMonolith on May 14, 2010, 03:47:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKH2z32cs4Q
Yay! *claps hands*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 02:59:38 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 14, 2010, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on May 14, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Anyone post the news about Avatar 2's release date being announced in a few months? That was said, as well as James Cameron stating that Avatar 2 will only take 18 months to do.
I think he said it would take 18 months less than the original, which will be three years.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=65966
"Talking about 3D at a technology forum in Seoul, South Korea, James Cameron said that he estimates it will take about three years to make the Avatar sequel. That's 18 months less than it took the first.
He said that the release date for the follow-up will be announced in a few months.
Cameron previously revealed that the sequel would focus on Pandora's ocean. "I'm going to be focusing on the ocean on Pandora, which will be equally rich and diverse and crazy and imaginative, but it just won't be a rain forest. I'm not saying we won't see what we've already seen; we'll see more of that as well," he said.
The first film has earned a massive $2.718 billion worldwide and has sold more than 19.7 million DVD and Blu-ray discs in three weeks."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 16, 2010, 06:47:34 AM
Post by: AvPvTerminator on May 16, 2010, 06:47:34 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 14, 2010, 02:00:26 PMMaybe thats why my ex liked it so much.
And just as I wrote that, I realised that I made the most apt comparison possible: crappy anime.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 16, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on May 16, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
I lol'd :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 17, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 17, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
First Avatar 2 image.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Fterranova.jpg&hash=6bb9879b5efeefbc9c34b775b6a62d76ee7299da)
Just kidding, its for a new TV series from Fox and Spielberg. :P
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66099
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Fterranova.jpg&hash=6bb9879b5efeefbc9c34b775b6a62d76ee7299da)
Just kidding, its for a new TV series from Fox and Spielberg. :P
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66099
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 17, 2010, 07:31:05 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 17, 2010, 07:31:05 PM
It's Land of the Lost powered up. :D :D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 17, 2010, 07:36:55 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 17, 2010, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: Cellien on May 17, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
First Avatar 2 image.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomingsoon.net%2Fnextraimages%2Fterranova.jpg&hash=6bb9879b5efeefbc9c34b775b6a62d76ee7299da)
Just kidding, its for a new TV series from Fox and Spielberg. :P
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66099
Looks lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on May 17, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
Post by: Cellien on May 17, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
Image seems to be broken now, oh well... Just click the link.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Prehistoric=me likey. Think you mentioned this show before, Cellien. Isn't a type of modern day Land of the Lost?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 17, 2010, 07:54:14 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 17, 2010, 07:54:14 PM
A future Family gets accidently in the Prehistoric Times. I'd say yes at this point. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
Let's hope the dinosaurs actually look good, not half-assed CG monsters like the ones in Primeval.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:05:20 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:05:20 AM
What would you expect from a TV series? They couldn't afford a titanic budget for every episode, could they? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
QuoteInsert Quote
A future Family gets accidently in the Prehistoric Times. I'd say yes at this point.
Hmmm....
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or
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 06:24:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 06:24:23 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:05:20 AM
What would you expect from a TV series? They couldn't afford a titanic budget for every episode, could they? :P
Still, would be nice if they at least looked like dinosaurs and not CGI-cut outa. Less fanciful too; Primeval's Giganotosaurus was WTF.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:25:56 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:25:56 AM
Quote from: SM on May 18, 2010, 06:18:18 AMHahahaha! Now this reminds me of the Jetsons-Flintstones Crossover.... :)QuoteInsert Quote
A future Family gets accidently in the Prehistoric Times. I'd say yes at this point.
Hmmm....
http://feministatsea.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/flintstones-car.jpg
or
http://georgeumbrasileiro.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/herculoids.jpg
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 06:24:23 AMIt would. But, as I said, better cgi than that would require a bigger budget.
Still, would be nice if they at least looked dinosaurs and not a CGI-cut out. Less fanciful too; Primeval's Giganotosaurus was WTF.
What's wrong with the Giganotosaurus? It's not supposed to be accurate or what.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 06:29:12 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 06:29:12 AM
It looked too fanciful. Spikes on its body, and it looked disproportionate, with a short skull, and massive f**king feet with over-sized hands.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:31:27 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 18, 2010, 06:31:27 AM
I didn't care much. The Spikes were Marshall-ish so it's a pro for me. :P
Anyway I have opened a Topic (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29302.60) about this show, let's continue in there. :)
Anyway I have opened a Topic (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29302.60) about this show, let's continue in there. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 20, 2010, 01:12:48 AM
Post by: SM on May 20, 2010, 01:12:48 AM
Now it's well documented that Cambo blatantly nicked stuff from various sources in order to make Avatar.
Somehow I don't think this kook was one of them... (http://gawker.com/5542239/the-insane-avatar-copyright-lawsuit-filed-against-james-cameron)
Somehow I don't think this kook was one of them... (http://gawker.com/5542239/the-insane-avatar-copyright-lawsuit-filed-against-james-cameron)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on May 20, 2010, 02:48:18 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 20, 2010, 02:48:18 AM
Wasn't it the same story with Terminator?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on May 20, 2010, 03:11:27 AM
Post by: SM on May 20, 2010, 03:11:27 AM
We'll see if and when it gets to court. Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predwarNJ on May 20, 2010, 08:12:44 PM
Post by: predwarNJ on May 20, 2010, 08:12:44 PM
I was wondering if anyone can get a couple screen captures of Zoe Saldana's character Neytiri hair braids for me? I need pics from every angle(Front, Side and Back) if possible. Thanks!
I'm working on making a wallpaper for a friend as a surprise and I can't find decent pics of the hair braids!
I'm working on making a wallpaper for a friend as a surprise and I can't find decent pics of the hair braids!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 22, 2010, 04:04:32 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on May 22, 2010, 04:04:32 AM
Only if Bruno Mattei was still alive because he would make a perfect sequel :P.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Surprised Asylum didn't do a knockoff yet! XD
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 08, 2010, 06:20:23 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 08, 2010, 06:20:23 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Surprised Asylum didn't do a knockoff yet! XD
Don't give them ideas!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 08, 2010, 06:22:18 PM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 08, 2010, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Surprised Asylum didn't do a knockoff yet! XD
Dude... c'mon...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 09, 2010, 04:07:42 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 09, 2010, 04:07:42 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Surprised Asylum didn't do a knockoff yet! XD
"Rome wasn't built in a day".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 09, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 09, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Neither is a cesspool...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 09, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 09, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
Same idea.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 11, 2010, 12:12:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 11, 2010, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 08, 2010, 06:22:18 PM;DQuote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 08, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Surprised Asylum didn't do a knockoff yet! XD
Dude... c'mon...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DARIAS93 on Jun 19, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Jun 19, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0)
Whoa...
Whoa...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 19, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 19, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omgcritters.com%2Fposters%2Fsurprised-black-spider-monkey-funny-animal-picture.jpg&hash=4bf0c3d2930768024715f380b4a8c5f5f74a0b3d)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmyspace.roflposters.com%2Fimages%2Frofl%2Fmyspace%2F1222972059425.jpg.%255Broflposters.com%255D.myspace.jpg&hash=32fd6bb60ac64683a89e50408c420065dd6f7496)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmyspace.roflposters.com%2Fimages%2Frofl%2Fmyspace%2F1222972059425.jpg.%255Broflposters.com%255D.myspace.jpg&hash=32fd6bb60ac64683a89e50408c420065dd6f7496)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 19, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 19, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Jack Torrance on Jun 19, 2010, 09:53:21 PMHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0)
Whoa...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 19, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 19, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
And watch, that will make more money than Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 20, 2010, 08:39:23 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 20, 2010, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Jack Torrance on Jun 19, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18064&count=0)
Whoa...
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jun 20, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 20, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmyspace.roflposters.com%2Fimages%2Frofl%2Fmyspace%2F1222972059425.jpg.%255Broflposters.com%255D.myspace.jpg&hash=32fd6bb60ac64683a89e50408c420065dd6f7496)
Possibly it's because this is 5 minutes from where I work - but what am I missing?
Possibly it's because this is 5 minutes from where I work - but what am I missing?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Moody on Jun 20, 2010, 11:23:57 AM
Post by: Moody on Jun 20, 2010, 11:23:57 AM
I also don't see it... :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Jun 20, 2010, 11:43:42 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 20, 2010, 11:43:42 AM
I was looking at clouds and reflections in the water, but maybe the mindf**k is there is no mindf**k...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 20, 2010, 11:45:40 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jun 20, 2010, 11:45:40 AM
I can't see the image. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 20, 2010, 11:59:14 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 20, 2010, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 20, 2010, 11:21:22 AMhttp://www.roflposters.com/Browse.aspx?id=930069 (http://www.roflposters.com/Browse.aspx?id=930069)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmyspace.roflposters.com%2Fimages%2Frofl%2Fmyspace%2F1222972059425.jpg.%255Broflposters.com%255D.myspace.jpg&hash=32fd6bb60ac64683a89e50408c420065dd6f7496)
Possibly it's because this is 5 minutes from where I work - but what am I missing?
Neither did I and neither do most of these guys I just posted because of the caption.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 20, 2010, 09:14:12 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 20, 2010, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 20, 2010, 02:48:18 AMNope. But if you're interested: http://www.jamescamerononline.com/Ellison.htm
Wasn't it the same story with Terminator?
Bottom line: the most memorable and important elements of The Terminator – the romance of Kyle and Sarah, the fact that Sarah's unborn son will save humanity in a war, and, most of all, the title character cyborg and his culturally iconic chrome endoskeleton – don't even have the most remote analogs in Soldier.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:40:57 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:40:57 PM
Aliens and Avatar are the same movie (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar). I don't agree with all of this, but it is funny. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jul 23, 2010, 01:46:30 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jul 23, 2010, 01:46:30 PM
Great stuff. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 23, 2010, 01:48:31 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Jul 23, 2010, 01:48:31 PM
"Human ends up inside Alien"
L.M.F.A.O.
L.M.F.A.O.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:57:48 PM
It's very funny, I like the end with the chestburster on the podium.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 23, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 23, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
oh God that had me burst into laughs. :D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 23, 2010, 10:42:23 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 23, 2010, 10:42:23 PM
That was pretty funny. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Requiem28 on Aug 05, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
Post by: Requiem28 on Aug 05, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
lmao :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Aug 05, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
Post by: MadassAlex on Aug 05, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
STUDY THE ALIENS?
KILL THE ALIENS!
:D
KILL THE ALIENS!
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 05, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 05, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
that was stupid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 05, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 05, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
I lol'd
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Aug 05, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Aug 05, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
I chuckled.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2010, 11:50:53 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2010, 11:50:53 PM
it's funny coz it's true.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
"OMFG can't breath!"
:D
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 15, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 15, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
The new footage looks awesome! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCWzROxzk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCWzROxzk0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 15, 2010, 05:09:58 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 15, 2010, 05:09:58 PM
Mass Effect?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 15, 2010, 05:33:59 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 15, 2010, 05:33:59 PM
THUNDERBEASTS f**k YES
Erm... rest was good. May give it a go.
Erm... rest was good. May give it a go.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2010, 05:38:36 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2010, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 15, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
The new footage looks awesome! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCWzROxzk0
Wow! That looks great, I wish I didn't already buy the movie, because now i want to buy the Special Edition. Can't wait to watch it in theaters! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Aug 15, 2010, 05:46:01 PM
Post by: Razz on Aug 15, 2010, 05:46:01 PM
As much as i enjoyed Avatar there is no way i'd see it a third time just for what 8 minutes of new footage? If it was like 15 or 20 then yeah i maybe tempted but nah not for this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
They shouldn't release it back in cinema it's pointless they should just release a special edition dvd.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
I think it has too for the people who did not see it at IMAX, and hated the DVD release. I'm looking forward seeing it again at IMAX since seeing it at IMAX was epic as hell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
I saw it in 2D, so maybe this time around I'll see it in 3D. I just wish I didn't already buy it, because I hate rebuying movies...:/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 15, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
I don't sometimes. Seeing that I had more copy of movies like Evangelion 1.0, Watchmen, and several other Godzilla movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Aug 15, 2010, 08:45:43 PM
Post by: First Blood on Aug 15, 2010, 08:45:43 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
They shouldn't release it back in cinema it's pointless they should just release a special edition dvd.
$$$$$$
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: 85 on Aug 15, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
Post by: 85 on Aug 15, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Aug 15, 2010, 08:45:43 PMQuote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
They shouldn't release it back in cinema it's pointless they should just release a special edition dvd.
$$$$$$
Exactly......and it's fox.......
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 15, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
I know why stilll there not even going to get much, most of the general public will just get confused,
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 15, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 15, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
it sickens me that the dirty money from avatar funded predators...
:-X
:-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Aug 15, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Post by: DrGediman on Aug 15, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Avatar was the worst movie of 2009 for me. Even worse than Jennifer's Body. I can't believe James Cameron went from Aliens to making this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 15, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 15, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
I can't imagine any new scenes are going to give the story any real depth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 12:05:05 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 12:05:05 AM
Possibly aside from the school shooting scene, (and maybe Tsu'tey's euthanasia) they won't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 01:07:19 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 01:07:19 AM
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 15, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Avatar was the worst movie of 2009 for me. Even worse than Jennifer's Body. I can't believe James Cameron went from Aliens to making this.
That's a bit harsh dude. Granted it's very shallow and pretty uninspired, but I wouldn't call it worse than a Megan Fox flick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 01:26:43 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 01:26:43 AM
Its the worst of James Cameron films, but considering when it was written, it probably would have been epic. I know that the special effects were advanced enough, but with Dances with the Wolves and Pocahontas, it just doesn't work with me.
Still, I recommend the new one for people who missed it originally. I mean, it has a mediocre story with some ok acting (Colonel Quatrich is a bit over the top), but the effects make it a must see on the big screen.
School shooting scene? I missed a lot.
Still, I recommend the new one for people who missed it originally. I mean, it has a mediocre story with some ok acting (Colonel Quatrich is a bit over the top), but the effects make it a must see on the big screen.
School shooting scene? I missed a lot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 16, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 16, 2010, 01:38:42 AM
It was fun.. and pretty... and that's about it :/
The designers on this movie did a hell of a job...
The designers on this movie did a hell of a job...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:32:36 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:32:36 AM
Cameron intended to make a fable-like, simple, relatable story for kids and old people, which is why the movie was termed Project880 for a time (as in ages 8-80). Didn't get him any cred with hard sci-fi geeks, but with The Terminator, T2, and Aliens on his resume, he didn't really need it. He's gone global.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
He went global a long time ago with that boat movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:49:08 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:49:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:48:14 AMEh? Which one's that?
He went global a long time ago with that boat movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:06 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:06 AM
The Abyss.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:50 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:06 AMCameron and water, eh. That didn't pan out!
The Abyss.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:53:15 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:53:15 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_4OYGjUrdllo%2FSfKCBYJalfI%2FAAAAAAAAUPU%2FbTeXEN0NcGM%2Fs400%2FGoogle%2BReader%2B%281000%252B%29_1240629630343.png&hash=0a065f3c42c5523090e6ec9cb94b635d23bd13b3)
Blame these guys. Massive oil spill of the Caymans.
Blame these guys. Massive oil spill of the Caymans.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 04:16:08 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 04:16:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:53:15 AMAh, a Ron Cobb design, I think.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SfKCBYJalfI/AAAAAAAAUPU/bTeXEN0NcGM/s400/Google+Reader+(1000%2B)_1240629630343.png
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 16, 2010, 07:57:47 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 16, 2010, 07:57:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2010, 05:38:36 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 15, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
The new footage looks awesome! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCWzROxzk0
Wow! That looks great, I wish I didn't already buy the movie, because now i want to buy the Special Edition. Can't wait to watch it in theaters! :D
That's why I'm just waiting to buy the Special Edition when it comes out (which is also supposed to feature even more deleted, but unfinished, scenes!). ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:25:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 03:51:06 AM
The Abyss.
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 15, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Avatar was the worst movie of 2009 for me. Even worse than Jennifer's Body. I can't believe James Cameron went from Aliens to making this.
Harsh...
I thought Avatar was a great movie!!! I can't wait for the special edition! As much as I love this movie, I don't want a sequel. I think that this worked better on its own. But who knows, maybe Cameron will surprise me?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Cameron always manages to make his sequels amazing, even superior to the originals.
I'm sure Avatar 2 will follow suite.
I'm sure Avatar 2 will follow suite.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
Another thing...Avatar 2 sounds...bad, really bad. i hope it's not called Avatar 2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Hahahaha :D I'm sure it won't. With any luck it will be called, Avatars.
"This time, its WAR"
"This time, its WAR"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 16, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 16, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
I'm looking forward to see more of the Planet in Avatar. I think the underwater animals in the movie should look awesome. I'm not crazy about the whole bug alien war battle that is plan out though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
Neither am I. And about the planet, wont the SE show us a little more of Pandora? Underwater should be awesome!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:57 PM
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:57 PM
I am at a loss for words......
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 16, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 16, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 16, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
Another thing...Avatar 2 sounds...bad, really bad. i hope it's not called Avatar 2.
Didn't Cameron say not long ago that the sequel'd be called Na'vi? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 10:11:31 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:37:34 PMHe manages to make them the same movie, but bigger.
Cameron always manages to make his sequels amazing, even superior to the originals.
I'm sure Avatar 2 will follow suite.
Except for Rambo, in which case he made it a different movie, but made it into the laughing stock it became.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 16, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
Didn't Cameron say not long ago that the sequel'd be called Na'vi? :P
Yeeesh...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Aug 16, 2010, 10:29:50 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Aug 16, 2010, 10:29:50 PM
Liking the fotage, good hing I held out on buying. Stoked for the sequel as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Didn't notice anything new in the trailer. :-\
I bags that title months ago! >:( The second Avatar (hence the plural) will be Siggy returning Obi-Wan style as an avatar of Eywa.
How much of that was Cambo and how much was Sly?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 16, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Hahahaha :D I'm sure it won't. With any luck it will be called, Avatars.
"This time, its WAR"
I bags that title months ago! >:( The second Avatar (hence the plural) will be Siggy returning Obi-Wan style as an avatar of Eywa.
QuoteExcept for Rambo, in which case he made it a different movie, but made it into the laughing stock it became.
How much of that was Cambo and how much was Sly?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
Cameron took credit for the action; he said the political stuff was Sly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:30:27 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:30:27 PM
So Vietnamese soldiers who can't shoot a stationery target while said stationery target calmly loads his explosive tipped bow and arrow was Cameron then. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
A lot of Ripley's psychological struggles in Aliens are straight from Rambo II, because Sly cut them out of the script, so Cambo (hoho!) put them into his Aliens script.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 16, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 16, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
I call bullshit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 16, 2010, 11:34:57 PM"It was quite a different film from FIRST BLOOD, apart from the continuation of the Rambo character. The first one was set in a small town, it had a different social consciousness from the second one, which was a very broad, stylized adventure. It was a little more violent in its execution than I had in mind in the writing"
I call bullshit.
"I admire the film's success and I'm happy for everybody involved, but I always have to distance myself from it because it's not the film I wrote – it was substantially rewritten by Sylvester Stallone. The script that I wrote was pretty violent, but not in such an amoral way. (...) I know very little about Stallone, because my work with him consisted of one lunch to discuss the script. He said, "I think you should put a girl in it.""
"Well, I came rather late to that. I actually thought the first one was a pretty good film. That's what attracted me to the second one, the underdog story. I was kind of fascinated by Vietnam at that point and what a weird and surreal kind of war that was. So my approach to it was a lot heavier, a lot more character. I just ran into Sly (Stallone) recently, and he was saying that when he looks back on it -although he doesn't have any regrets, in a way he wished he could have done the script that I wrote because they did wind up throwing out about the first half of it. They kept a lot of the action. They just kind of made it a "Mission Impossible" thing -for me it took on kind of a superhero-type quality. I thought it was much more interesting to kind of explore this traumatized character. Maybe I'll get to use that stuff somewhere else. I used a bit of it in "Aliens," having them come back from something they were traumatized by. There was a bit of that delayed stress syndrome stuff in "Aliens" they didn't use in "Rambo II."
Thanks for the faith, Aeus.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:49:01 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:49:01 PM
If we're introduced to a character whose demeanor is "loving husband," and by the end of the tale he's still what he first appeared to be - a loving husband with no secrets, no unfulfilled dreams, no hidden passions - we'll be very disappointed. When characterization and true character match, when inner life and outer appearance are, like a block of cement, of one substance, the role becomes a list of repetitious, predictable behaviors. It's not as if such a character isn't credible. Shallow, non-dimensional people exist... but they are boring.
For example: What went wrong with Rambo? In First Blood, he was a compelling character - a Vietnam burnout, a loner hiking through the mountains, seeking solitude (characterization). Then a sheriff, for no reason other than wickedly high levels of testosterone, provoked him, and out came "Rambo," a ruthless and unstoppable killer (true character). But once Rambo came out, he wouldn't go back in. For the sequels, he strapped bandoleers of bullets across his oiled, pumped muscles, coiffed his locks with a red bandanna until super-hero characterization and true character merged into a figure with less dimension than a Saturday morning cartoon.
Robert McKee - Story
For example: What went wrong with Rambo? In First Blood, he was a compelling character - a Vietnam burnout, a loner hiking through the mountains, seeking solitude (characterization). Then a sheriff, for no reason other than wickedly high levels of testosterone, provoked him, and out came "Rambo," a ruthless and unstoppable killer (true character). But once Rambo came out, he wouldn't go back in. For the sequels, he strapped bandoleers of bullets across his oiled, pumped muscles, coiffed his locks with a red bandanna until super-hero characterization and true character merged into a figure with less dimension than a Saturday morning cartoon.
Robert McKee - Story
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:54:57 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:54:57 PM
I really, really need to buy that book.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:57:18 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:57:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2010, 11:49:01 PMIt's a shame, could have been much more.
If we're introduced to a character whose demeanor is "loving husband," and by the end of the tale he's still what he first appeared to be - a loving husband with no secrets, no unfulfilled dreams, no hidden passions - we'll be very disappointed. When characterization and true character match, when inner life and outer appearance are, like a block of cement, of one substance, the role becomes a list of repetitious, predictable behaviors. It's not as if such a character isn't credible. Shallow, non-dimensional people exist... but they are boring.
For example: What went wrong with Rambo? In First Blood, he was a compelling character - a Vietnam burnout, a loner hiking through the mountains, seeking solitude (characterization). Then a sheriff, for no reason other than wickedly high levels of testosterone, provoked him, and out came "Rambo," a ruthless and unstoppable killer (true character). But once Rambo came out, he wouldn't go back in. For the sequels, he strapped bandoleers of bullets across his oiled, pumped muscles, coiffed his locks with a red bandanna until super-hero characterization and true character merged into a figure with less dimension than a Saturday morning cartoon.
Robert McKee - Story
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 17, 2010, 12:11:35 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 17, 2010, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:54:57 PM
I really, really need to buy that book.
Yes you really do. Excellent book.
Trying to nut out a feature script at the moment, so I really need to read it again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PM
Cameron on the Special Edition:
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Fstartswithabang%2Fupload%2F2010%2F04%2Fdid_the_universe_start_from_a%2FHigh%2520Five.jpeg&hash=3ab3e934f6db678485e8bc1f41d026c91fbdd88e)
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Fstartswithabang%2Fupload%2F2010%2F04%2Fdid_the_universe_start_from_a%2FHigh%2520Five.jpeg&hash=3ab3e934f6db678485e8bc1f41d026c91fbdd88e)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2010, 11:27:52 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2010, 11:27:52 PM
As if it wasn't overlong enough.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 18, 2010, 11:30:23 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 18, 2010, 11:30:23 PM
For the people that like the movie it is win, there isn't really a downside, but I won't be buying it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 18, 2010, 11:52:31 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 18, 2010, 11:52:31 PM
Soo, it's 9 minutes in theaters, and even longer on DVD/Blu Ray!?!?! Awesome!!! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Feral_PRED on Aug 19, 2010, 02:07:40 AM
Post by: Feral_PRED on Aug 19, 2010, 02:07:40 AM
AVATAR: my rating of the movie is 10/10.
-alienhunter14
-alienhunter14
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2010, 02:31:15 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2010, 02:31:15 AM
10/10 = 1. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2010, 02:57:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2010, 02:57:23 AM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 19, 2010, 08:32:33 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 19, 2010, 08:32:33 AM
It's a 9/10 for me as much as I loved it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ep40 on Aug 23, 2010, 04:11:42 PM
Post by: ep40 on Aug 23, 2010, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PMOnly DVD? Why? Are there technical limitations with Blu-ray technology which prevent loading such long movie? I know that theatrical cut uses all available space on Blu-ray. However, I don't know if it's single layer or double layer so if it's first option, there's enough space for additional minutes and even extras. If second option, then only option is to lower quality of this longer material which isn't the case. And about the upcoming DVD, will it have extras? Anyway, I think it is more worth to wait for release and buy it, than to go to cinema, to watch only slightly longer "Special edition".
Cameron on the Special Edition:
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/did_the_universe_start_from_a/High%20Five.jpeg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: VEF214 on Aug 23, 2010, 08:13:23 PM
Post by: VEF214 on Aug 23, 2010, 08:13:23 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PM
Cameron on the Special Edition:
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/did_the_universe_start_from_a/High%20Five.jpeg
Your profile pic is sooo perfect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 23, 2010, 08:14:08 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 23, 2010, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: ep40 on Aug 23, 2010, 04:11:42 PMWhen he says dvd he means blu-ray as well.Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PMOnly DVD? Why? Are there technical limitations with Blu-ray technology which prevent loading such long movie? I know that theatrical cut uses all available space on Blu-ray. However, I don't know if it's single layer or double layer so if it's first option, there's enough space for additional minutes and even extras. If second option, then only option is to lower quality of this longer material which isn't the case. And about the upcoming DVD, will it have extras? Anyway, I think it is more worth to wait for release and buy it, than to go to cinema, to watch only slightly longer "Special edition".
Cameron on the Special Edition:
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/did_the_universe_start_from_a/High%20Five.jpeg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 23, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 23, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 23, 2010, 08:14:08 PMQuote from: ep40 on Aug 23, 2010, 04:11:42 PMWhen he says dvd he means blu-ray as well.Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 18, 2010, 12:56:05 PMOnly DVD? Why? Are there technical limitations with Blu-ray technology which prevent loading such long movie? I know that theatrical cut uses all available space on Blu-ray. However, I don't know if it's single layer or double layer so if it's first option, there's enough space for additional minutes and even extras. If second option, then only option is to lower quality of this longer material which isn't the case. And about the upcoming DVD, will it have extras? Anyway, I think it is more worth to wait for release and buy it, than to go to cinema, to watch only slightly longer "Special edition".
Cameron on the Special Edition:
This rerelease is a limited special edition. It's just an experience you can have with your family at the end of the summer. The last hurrah in theaters. People can watch the original release — it still exists indefinitely on DVD and Blu-ray — or they can watch this new one. We're going to do an even longer version that will exist only on DVD. There are people who felt that they could have spent more time in Pandora. So we're giving them that.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/did_the_universe_start_from_a/High%20Five.jpeg
90% sure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 23, 2010, 08:18:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 23, 2010, 08:18:56 PM
100% sure. It would be pointless to not release it on Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 23, 2010, 11:55:58 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 23, 2010, 11:55:58 PM
DVD and BD are two separate formats. I'm pretty sure he'd say both if he meant to include BD as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 24, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 24, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
While I am not doubting you, they very, very, very rarely have one with out the other, and it is common to generalise them as one and the same.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2010, 04:35:03 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2010, 04:35:03 AM
I was going to watch this for the third time on Sunday, but then was like, "Man, there is so much singing,".
And watched Aliens instead.
And watched Aliens instead.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 24, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 24, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
Quote from: alienhunter14 on Aug 19, 2010, 02:07:40 AM
AVATAR: my rating of the movie is 10/10.
-alienhunter14
I thought the movie was badass, I loved all the characters, the story, the action, the special effects, the score ect. I hate love stories, but I really liked this one though. It was just cool watching Neytiri and the Marine train together and go to war together in the end.
10/10 for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
I find it a little ironic that you say you loved all the characters, but you can't remember the name of the lead role.
It was Jake Sulley, by the way.
I'd give this film a solid 7/10. Maybe 6.5. Something around there.
It was Jake Sulley, by the way.
I'd give this film a solid 7/10. Maybe 6.5. Something around there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Aug 24, 2010, 05:37:51 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Aug 24, 2010, 05:37:51 AM
I call it FernGully: the remake.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 24, 2010, 05:55:49 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 24, 2010, 05:55:49 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 23, 2010, 11:55:58 PM
DVD and BD are two separate formats. I'm pretty sure he'd say both if he meant to include BD as well.
When people say dvd, usually they are referring to both formats.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 24, 2010, 06:38:16 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 24, 2010, 06:38:16 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
I find it a little ironic that you say you loved all the characters, but you can't remember the name of the lead role.
It was Jake Sulley, by the way.
Stop acting like a dick from the safety of your computer sweetheart :D
I know his name.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 24, 2010, 07:07:35 AM
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 24, 2010, 07:07:35 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2010, 04:35:03 AM
I was going to watch this for the third time on Sunday, but then was like, "Man, there is so much singing,".
And watched Aliens instead.
Good man :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 24, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 24, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 23, 2010, 11:55:58 PM
DVD and BD are two separate formats. I'm pretty sure he'd say both if he meant to include BD as well.
i agree with your logic, but i think he meant DVD in the broadest sense, like when a musician say's theyll release a record, they also release it on CD, and sometimes not on vinyl at all!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 04:07:57 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 24, 2010, 06:38:16 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
I find it a little ironic that you say you loved all the characters, but you can't remember the name of the lead role.
It was Jake Sulley, by the way.
Stop acting like a dick from the safety of your computer sweetheart :D
But then I'll have nothing to do!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 24, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
I find it a little ironic that you say you loved all the characters, but you can't remember the name of the lead role.
It was Jake Sulley, by the way.
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 25, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 25, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Why is this film being re-released in cinemas? Re-releasing a film with NINE minutes of extra footage is the laziest, most blatant money grabbing move I've ever heard of. Don't get me wrong, I quite liked this film but I'd never fork out the cash to see it at the cinema again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 25, 2010, 01:38:03 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 25, 2010, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 25, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Why is this film being re-released in cinemas? Re-releasing a film with NINE minutes of extra footage is the laziest, most blatant money grabbing move I've ever heard of. Don't get me wrong, I quite liked this film but I'd never fork out the cash to see it at the cinema again.
But a lot of people still want to watch it again at the cinema.
If the people keeps paying for something, I'd give it to them and make money. It isn't milking the movie but giving the people what they're asking for while you keep making money.
Whining about this is like saying they should stop making CoD games. People like them and Activision makes a crapload of money thanks to the franchise. The smart move's to keep making CoD games so everyone's happy. Right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 25, 2010, 01:44:18 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 25, 2010, 01:44:18 PM
Plus, it's original run was cut short as they were only allowed a set amount of time before they had to make way for Alice in Pointlessland. A lot of people I know missed it in 3D because at the time, the tickets were rocking horse shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 25, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 25, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 25, 2010, 01:38:03 PMQuote from: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 25, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Why is this film being re-released in cinemas? Re-releasing a film with NINE minutes of extra footage is the laziest, most blatant money grabbing move I've ever heard of. Don't get me wrong, I quite liked this film but I'd never fork out the cash to see it at the cinema again.
But a lot of people still want to watch it again at the cinema.
If the people keeps paying for something, I'd give it to them and make money. It isn't milking the movie but giving the people what they're asking for while you keep making money.
Whining about this is like saying they should stop making CoD games. People like them and Activision makes a crapload of money thanks to the franchise. The smart move's to keep making CoD games so everyone's happy. Right?
Still milking it. Of course, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with that. Annoying, but what are you gonna do?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 25, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 25, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
You haven't to criticize the fact they're "mliking" it. Ignore it and everyone's happy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 25, 2010, 02:39:02 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 25, 2010, 02:39:02 PM
If they really wanted to milk it, they would have 2 different re-releases; one with the extra 9 minutes to maximize imax times (which is the reason for the peculiar new runtime), and one for regular screens with everything added in they can think of.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 25, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 25, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Aug 25, 2010, 02:39:02 PM
If they really wanted to milk it, they would have 2 different re-releases; one with the extra 9 minutes to maximize imax times (which is the reason for the peculiar new runtime), and one for regular screens with everything added in they can think of.
that would actually draw people away from imax' bigger fees to wat for the super extended regular sized screen version.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 25, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 25, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Not exactly about Avatar, but Cameron makes a real ass of himself.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18771&count=0
In March, "Avatar" director James Cameron challenged global warming skeptics to a public debate, stating: "I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads."
He challenged Andrew Breitbart, Climate Depot's Marc Morano and filmmaker Ann McElhinney of "Not Evil Just Wrong." All three agreed to the debate, which was scheduled to take place at the conclusion of the AREDAY conference in Aspen on August 22nd.
To arm himself with knowledge, Cameron said he would bring two scientists and the 90-minute debate would be streamed live on the internet for everyone to watch. He was also hoping that the event would attract lots of media coverage. He even wanted FoxNews there.
But as soon as everything was organized, Cameron began changing the rules. First, he wanted to change his team. Then he wanted the format to be changed from a debate to a roundtable discussion. Then he wanted to ban the opposing side's cameras. Then he wanted to completely get rid of all cameras, stating that audio should only be recorded.
Breitbart, Morano and McElhinney agreed to all the unexpected changes, but Cameron kept going. He next said that he wanted all media to be banned and to make the roundtable open only to those attending the conference. He then decided against streaming the discussion on the internet and then concluded with a rule that no recording of any kind would be allowed.
The three men once again agreed. And finally, on the day before the event, Cameron withdrew, claiming that he no longer wanted to take part. According to Cameron's spokesman, the director did not want to participate because "Morano is not at James Cameron's level to debate. Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society."
Despite canceling the debate, Cameron still went to the conference where he called climate skeptics "swine."
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18771&count=0
In March, "Avatar" director James Cameron challenged global warming skeptics to a public debate, stating: "I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads."
He challenged Andrew Breitbart, Climate Depot's Marc Morano and filmmaker Ann McElhinney of "Not Evil Just Wrong." All three agreed to the debate, which was scheduled to take place at the conclusion of the AREDAY conference in Aspen on August 22nd.
To arm himself with knowledge, Cameron said he would bring two scientists and the 90-minute debate would be streamed live on the internet for everyone to watch. He was also hoping that the event would attract lots of media coverage. He even wanted FoxNews there.
But as soon as everything was organized, Cameron began changing the rules. First, he wanted to change his team. Then he wanted the format to be changed from a debate to a roundtable discussion. Then he wanted to ban the opposing side's cameras. Then he wanted to completely get rid of all cameras, stating that audio should only be recorded.
Breitbart, Morano and McElhinney agreed to all the unexpected changes, but Cameron kept going. He next said that he wanted all media to be banned and to make the roundtable open only to those attending the conference. He then decided against streaming the discussion on the internet and then concluded with a rule that no recording of any kind would be allowed.
The three men once again agreed. And finally, on the day before the event, Cameron withdrew, claiming that he no longer wanted to take part. According to Cameron's spokesman, the director did not want to participate because "Morano is not at James Cameron's level to debate. Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society."
Despite canceling the debate, Cameron still went to the conference where he called climate skeptics "swine."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 25, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 25, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaughingsquid.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Froyal-fail.jpg&hash=fea13191dd6414ad521207bac8b6b4df217e529f)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Aeus on Aug 25, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
Post by: Aeus on Aug 25, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
James Cameron has two scientist lackeys. That's kinda awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 25, 2010, 05:26:26 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 25, 2010, 05:26:26 PM
As a good thing, he was mentioned in a NASA PSA. Not that that elevates him above what just happened much.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/avatar.html (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/avatar.html)
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/avatar.html (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/avatar.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: urban_predator83 on Aug 25, 2010, 10:25:36 PM
Post by: urban_predator83 on Aug 25, 2010, 10:25:36 PM
How did Avatar beat Star Wars in total box office gross? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 25, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 25, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Inflation is the main reason. Movie tickets cost more nowadays.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 25, 2010, 11:49:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 25, 2010, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 25, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Not exactly about Avatar, but Cameron makes a real ass of himself.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18771&count=0
In March, "Avatar" director James Cameron challenged global warming skeptics to a public debate, stating: "I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads."
He challenged Andrew Breitbart, Climate Depot's Marc Morano and filmmaker Ann McElhinney of "Not Evil Just Wrong." All three agreed to the debate, which was scheduled to take place at the conclusion of the AREDAY conference in Aspen on August 22nd.
To arm himself with knowledge, Cameron said he would bring two scientists and the 90-minute debate would be streamed live on the internet for everyone to watch. He was also hoping that the event would attract lots of media coverage. He even wanted FoxNews there.
But as soon as everything was organized, Cameron began changing the rules. First, he wanted to change his team. Then he wanted the format to be changed from a debate to a roundtable discussion. Then he wanted to ban the opposing side's cameras. Then he wanted to completely get rid of all cameras, stating that audio should only be recorded.
Breitbart, Morano and McElhinney agreed to all the unexpected changes, but Cameron kept going. He next said that he wanted all media to be banned and to make the roundtable open only to those attending the conference. He then decided against streaming the discussion on the internet and then concluded with a rule that no recording of any kind would be allowed.
The three men once again agreed. And finally, on the day before the event, Cameron withdrew, claiming that he no longer wanted to take part. According to Cameron's spokesman, the director did not want to participate because "Morano is not at James Cameron's level to debate. Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society."
Despite canceling the debate, Cameron still went to the conference where he called climate skeptics "swine."
Jimbo: what crawled up your ass? You already proved you can't make original movies, what makes you think you even have a chance at leading a debate?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2010, 12:26:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 26, 2010, 12:26:09 AM
Oh man that's hilarious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 12:47:28 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 12:47:28 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 25, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Inflation is the main reason. Movie tickets cost more nowadays.
Especially 3D movie tickets, which would account for some of Avatar's mighty haul.
Adjusted for inflationz (domestic):
1 Gone with the Wind
2 Star Wars
3 The Sound of Music
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
5 The Ten Commandments
6 Titanic
7 Jaws
8 Doctor Zhivago
9 The Exorcist
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
11 101 Dalmatians
12 The Empire Strikes Back
13 Ben-Hur
14 Avatar
15 Return of the Jedi
16 The Sting
17 Raiders of the Lost Ark
18 Jurassic Park
19 The Graduate
20 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 01:41:47 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 01:41:47 AM
You know I really hope that one day if I'm ever a famous person I don't descend into the level of douchery that Jimbo has. For a former truck driver, he has no sense of humbleness and appreciation from where he's come to where he's at now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 26, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 26, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 01:41:47 AM
You know I really hope that one day if I'm ever a famous person I don't descend into the level of douchery that Jimbo has. For a former truck driver, he has no sense of humbleness and appreciation from where he's come to where he's at now.
thats what ass licking does to people.
how the hell is the Phantom menace even there? didnt they have critics back then?
and Alien isnt :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 01:45:47 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 01:45:47 AM
Phantom menace had kickass trailers and the internet was still hit or miss for lots of people. I remember having 56k and not even using the internet for weeks because it took so slow to look anything up.
Word of mouth didn't get around like it does now through the interweb.
Word of mouth didn't get around like it does now through the interweb.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 02:11:23 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 02:11:23 AM
And Alien was rated R.
Phantom Menace was eagerly awaited for 16 years. It wouldn't make any sense if it didn't crack the top 20.
Phantom Menace was eagerly awaited for 16 years. It wouldn't make any sense if it didn't crack the top 20.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: x2SMONEY on Aug 26, 2010, 03:06:22 AM
Post by: x2SMONEY on Aug 26, 2010, 03:06:22 AM
First of all,Gone With the Wind is only on top because it was in theaters for like 30 freakin years ;) Alot of people consider that movie classic but I find it incredibly offensive and racist,like,the slaves were happy to be slaves,the people were sad and annoyed when they couldn't have slaves anymore,AND even the title is saying like Oh that lifestyle was great but now it gone with the wind. Seriously,cry me a river. :'( ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:47:29 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:47:29 AM
Quotethe people were sad and annoyed when they couldn't have slaves anymore
erm, a lot of them WERE sad an annoyed weren't they? Wasn't it a major factor for that Civil War thing. So it's not terribly inaccurate.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 03:52:12 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 03:52:12 AM
According to Cameron's spokesman, the director did not want to participate because "Morano is not at James Cameron's level to debate. Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society."
... I hope for Cameron's soul that he is not the personal source of this quote, and that it's the product of an overzealous PR boy.
... I hope for Cameron's soul that he is not the personal source of this quote, and that it's the product of an overzealous PR boy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:55:22 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:55:22 AM
Well he IS the King of the World.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 26, 2010, 04:11:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:47:29 AMQuotethe people were sad and annoyed when they couldn't have slaves anymore
erm, a lot of them WERE sad an annoyed weren't they? Wasn't it a major factor for that Civil War thing. So it's not terribly inaccurate.
Making them white boys do the work was hard on em fo sho.
(since they (slaves) compriced about 90% of the agricultural workforce).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 26, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 26, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Uh oh... What about giving me some feedback on this video I made back in February? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5NfvtJVeU
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 26, 2010, 05:53:09 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 26, 2010, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 25, 2010, 11:49:18 PMWhy are my idols all going insane? :'(Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 25, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Not exactly about Avatar, but Cameron makes a real ass of himself.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18771&count=0
In March, "Avatar" director James Cameron challenged global warming skeptics to a public debate, stating: "I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads."
He challenged Andrew Breitbart, Climate Depot's Marc Morano and filmmaker Ann McElhinney of "Not Evil Just Wrong." All three agreed to the debate, which was scheduled to take place at the conclusion of the AREDAY conference in Aspen on August 22nd.
To arm himself with knowledge, Cameron said he would bring two scientists and the 90-minute debate would be streamed live on the internet for everyone to watch. He was also hoping that the event would attract lots of media coverage. He even wanted FoxNews there.
But as soon as everything was organized, Cameron began changing the rules. First, he wanted to change his team. Then he wanted the format to be changed from a debate to a roundtable discussion. Then he wanted to ban the opposing side's cameras. Then he wanted to completely get rid of all cameras, stating that audio should only be recorded.
Breitbart, Morano and McElhinney agreed to all the unexpected changes, but Cameron kept going. He next said that he wanted all media to be banned and to make the roundtable open only to those attending the conference. He then decided against streaming the discussion on the internet and then concluded with a rule that no recording of any kind would be allowed.
The three men once again agreed. And finally, on the day before the event, Cameron withdrew, claiming that he no longer wanted to take part. According to Cameron's spokesman, the director did not want to participate because "Morano is not at James Cameron's level to debate. Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society."
Despite canceling the debate, Cameron still went to the conference where he called climate skeptics "swine."
Jimbo: what crawled up your ass? You already proved you can't make original movies, what makes you think you even have a chance at leading a debate?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
He was your idol?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 26, 2010, 11:13:17 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 26, 2010, 11:13:17 PM
He is a pretty prolific director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
Too bad he's starting to suck.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 26, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 26, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
While they are decling in quality they are still enjoyable.
and with the money I doubt he is going to change.
and with the money I doubt he is going to change.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
QuoteHe is a pretty prolific director.
Not really.
He's directed 8 flicks (plus a couple of underwater docos).
Some of his contempories:
Spielberg - pushing 30 films
Zemeckis - 15 (not including a couple of early flicks no ones ever heard of)
Jackson - 10
Del Toro - 9
Hughes - 8
Bay - 8
Singer - 8
Fincher - 7
Tarantino - 7
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 27, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 27, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
30, really?? Damn, I thought Cameron was big time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 02:03:37 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 02:03:37 AM
Big time BO, no doubt. But he's hardly prolific.
Guys like Jackson, Bay, QT and the Finch haven't been at it nearly as long JC.
Guys like Jackson, Bay, QT and the Finch haven't been at it nearly as long JC.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: urban_predator83 on Aug 27, 2010, 05:17:17 AM
Post by: urban_predator83 on Aug 27, 2010, 05:17:17 AM
Most Directors make better films early in their career. Thats because they have fresh ideas and have to prove the are good at directing. When a director has been directing for say 20 plus years then they are wealthy and have egos the size of godzilla.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
That reminds me:
Roland Emmerich - 9 (Hollywood flicks)
Roland Emmerich - 9 (Hollywood flicks)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 27, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 27, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
Nobody gives me feedback on my video... :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 27, 2010, 11:49:29 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 27, 2010, 11:49:29 PM
Avatar special edition DVD will have 16 minutes of footage put back in to further persuade people to give up their monies. ahahha ;0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
That reminds me:
Roland Emmerich - 9 (Hollywood flicks)
Who cares about him :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Aug 28, 2010, 01:02:58 AM
Post by: First Blood on Aug 28, 2010, 01:02:58 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:01:14 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
That reminds me:
Roland Emmerich - 9 (Hollywood flicks)
Who cares about him :P
His movies used to be pretty big, now he kinda faded away like Renny Harlin...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:07:43 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:07:43 AM
The only two movies he ever made that attracted serious attention it seems were Independence Day and Godzilla. And in the latter, the attention wasn't good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 01:22:16 AM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 01:22:16 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:07:43 AM
The only two movies he ever made that attracted serious attention it seems were Independence Day and Godzilla. And in the latter, the attention wasn't good.
His ability to CGI explosions is only matched by his unwavering passion to rape the Earth in every movie he makes
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 02:08:50 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 02:08:50 AM
Michael Bay does the same thing. And dare I say he does a better job.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 11:36:46 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 11:36:46 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:07:43 AMDon't forget The Day after Tomorrow, 2012 and Stargate. They attracted serious attention and were financial successes.
The only two movies he ever made that attracted serious attention it seems were Independence Day and Godzilla. And in the latter, the attention wasn't good.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:01:14 AMI do.Quote from: SM on Aug 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
That reminds me:
Roland Emmerich - 9 (Hollywood flicks)
Who cares about him :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 11:39:17 AM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 11:39:17 AM
Yeah the day after tomorrow is awesome, 2012 though to depressing.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 02:08:50 AM:P
Michael Bay does the same thing. And dare I say he does a better job.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 11:36:46 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 01:07:43 AMDon't forget The Day after Tomorrow, 2012 and Stargate. They attracted serious attention and were financial successes.
The only two movies he ever made that attracted serious attention it seems were Independence Day and Godzilla. And in the latter, the attention wasn't good.
And 10,000BC what a masterpiece that film was!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 11:39:17 AMYou caught me there.
Yeah the day after tomorrow is awesome, 2012 though to depressing.
Quote from: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 11:55:58 AMNot talking about this, but the attention those films caught to the audience. 10.000 did well but ultimately passed unobserved (as opposed as the majority of his other films, which get a lot of talk to this day).
And 10,000BC what a masterpiece that film was!
Personally, 10.000 is surely Emmerich's worst, but it still manages to entertain me a bit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
DAT, 10 000 B.C., and 2012 all sucked though. I'm talking the movies he directed that people still discuss today.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
People will talk about Independance Day forrrrrreeeeevvvvveeerrrrrr, mainly thanks to almighty JEFF GOD GOLDBLUM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2010, 06:01:06 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2010, 06:01:06 PM
IPD, and GINO are still remembed by the general public since they are major blockbuster hits. The general public will remember any movie as long if it was popular at the box office. People today still remember, and talk about how awful Batman & Robin was back in 97.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Aug 28, 2010, 07:24:08 PM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Aug 28, 2010, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 28, 2010, 04:19:01 PMTruth.
People will talk about Independance Day forrrrrreeeeevvvvveeerrrrrr, mainly thanks to almighty JEFF GOD GOLDBLUM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 28, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 28, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 02:08:50 AMBay has come out with two good movies. (TransFormers and The Rock)
Michael Bay does the same thing. And dare I say he does a better job.
Roland has made a few interesting films that I enjoy (The Day After Tomorrow and Independance Day)
but the above Bay films are a bit better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 07:26:56 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 07:26:56 PM
I wouldn't call transformers good, I liked it but it is horrible to there comic counterparts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 28, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 28, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
I like it as a new spin on things, despite the fact I do prefer the 8-0s cartoon. And that is coming from a child of the 90s.
I should hate the movie, but it has this feel to it that just sucks me right in. And I am usually quite a critic.
I should hate the movie, but it has this feel to it that just sucks me right in. And I am usually quite a critic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 28, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
Post by: TJ Doc on Aug 28, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
A Roland Emmerich-based discussion and no one mentions Univesal Soldier?
I am disappoint. :(
I am disappoint. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 28, 2010, 07:25:51 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 02:08:50 AMBay has come out with two good movies. (TransFormers and The Rock)
Michael Bay does the same thing. And dare I say he does a better job.
Roland has made a few interesting films that I enjoy (The Day After Tomorrow and Independance Day)
but the above Bay films are a bit better.
TF, The Rock, Bad Boys, Armageddon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:31:52 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2010, 04:15:13 PMTDAT sucked?! I could understand the latter 2, but TDAT is fantastic!
DAT, 10 000 B.C., and 2012 all sucked though. I'm talking the movies he directed that people still discuss today.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 07:26:56 PM"Reimagination" comes to mind.
I wouldn't call transformers good, I liked it but it is horrible to there comic counterparts.
And we mention Bay but not The Island? Sirs, I am disappoint.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:31:52 PMRe-imagination is fine, though they did it badly to made it only slightly similar, for example you could call avp a re-imaginationing though it doesn't justify it because it is still nothing like the original.Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 28, 2010, 07:26:56 PM"Reimagination" comes to mind.
I wouldn't call transformers good, I liked it but it is horrible to there comic counterparts.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
AvP isn't a re-imagination, as it directly refers to the original films. It doesn't change a thing.
Let's face it. The cartoons wouldn't have done much plot and development-wise if transferred into a film, nor would the comics because as far as I know involved the robots only.
I understand the dispreciation for the changes (I'm a TF fan myself) but I say to enjoy the films for what they are: reconceptions.
Let's face it. The cartoons wouldn't have done much plot and development-wise if transferred into a film, nor would the comics because as far as I know involved the robots only.
I understand the dispreciation for the changes (I'm a TF fan myself) but I say to enjoy the films for what they are: reconceptions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
AvP isn't a re-imagination, as it directly refers to the original films. It doesn't change a thing.
Except for the whole "this is the first time we've encountered anything like this", or the "if they get to Earth it will be destroyed", and let's not forget:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.youtube.com%2Fvi%2Fei7IvP8Qzqo%2F0.jpg&hash=2ee061485fbbad5ba4b8d55f1bee23f37c05d8cc)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 09:08:24 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PMAvP had the Aliens in a underground pyramid (no one knows of it except for Lex) & AvPR had them in a town - not talking about AvPR here anyways, it is that film the one schfwumping canon.
Except for the whole "this is the first time we've encountered anything like this",
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PMAll they got was a couple o' Pyramids in AvP.
or the "if they get to Earth it will be destroyed",
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PM...Ever heard of Sosias? :P
and let's not forget:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/ei7IvP8Qzqo/0.jpg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 28, 2010, 09:08:24 PMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PMAvP had the Aliens in a underground pyramid (no one knows of it except for Lex) & AvPR had them in a town - not talking about AvPR here anyways, it is that film the one schfwumping canon.
Except for the whole "this is the first time we've encountered anything like this",Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PMAll they got was a couple o' Pyramids in AvP.
or the "if they get to Earth it will be destroyed",
Still undermines one of the main points to the series, albeit not as much as that film.
QuoteQuote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2010, 09:04:51 PM...Ever heard of Sosias? :P
and let's not forget:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/ei7IvP8Qzqo/0.jpg
Still, it was an unnecessary meddling with the timeline.
There was also the whole 5-minute bursting thing, but I think we should get this discussion back on track.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2010, 09:43:09 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 28, 2010, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Aug 28, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
A Roland Emmerich-based discussion and no one mentions Univesal Soldier?
I am disappoint. :(
Univesal Solider was his first major hits, and people seem forget that he directed it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 29, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 29, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
QuoteThe only two movies he ever made that attracted serious attention it seems were Independence Day and Godzilla. And in the latter, the attention wasn't good.
2012 - $766m
10000BC - $269m
Day After Tomorrow - $544m
Patriot - $215m
Godzilla - $376m
ID4 - $817m
Stargate - $196m
We are talking about the same dude right? He makes blockbuster after blockbuster.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Grosses do not a good movie make.
He made tons of money, but his films were pretty much all critical flops.
Some will say the latter matters more.
He made tons of money, but his films were pretty much all critical flops.
Some will say the latter matters more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Aug 30, 2010, 12:26:10 AM
Post by: Sylizar on Aug 30, 2010, 12:26:10 AM
Meh, it's all opinion again. I like 2012, Patriot, Godzilla and ID4.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Avatar didn't make top ten this week!
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/exorcism-has-slim-boxoffice-lead-over-takers-ap
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/exorcism-has-slim-boxoffice-lead-over-takers-ap
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 02:41:39 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 02:41:39 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Grosses do not a good movie make.
He made tons of money, but his films were pretty much all critical flops.
Some will say the latter matters more.
All irrelevant to my point though. Everything Emmerich has done since Stargate has attracted serious attention simply due to the fact that lots of people went to watch them. Critical response is neither here nor there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 30, 2010, 02:43:09 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 30, 2010, 02:43:09 AM
People love 'splosions
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
'ken oath.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 30, 2010, 04:03:15 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 30, 2010, 04:03:15 AM
Emmerich and Bay are action directors, thats all they do right. put them outside that medium and they will make shit. thats why they need somebody to guide their baby hands, and when studios dont put a guy right next to them saying "dont do that" and trow him the money anyways...
i still cant forget that robot humping megan fox. uhhhhgghh....
i still cant forget that robot humping megan fox. uhhhhgghh....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 04:06:06 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2010, 04:06:06 AM
QuoteEmmerich and Bay are action directors, thats all they do right. put them outside that medium and they will make shit.
There seems to be a lot of love for The Patriot, which isn't a flat action/ disaster flick in the same league as Emmerich's other epics.
Though I'm not sure why... Gimme ID4 or 2012 any day over The Patriot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 05:43:21 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 05:43:21 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 30, 2010, 02:43:09 AM'Splosions! 8D
People love 'splosions
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthetorchonline.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2Findpendence-day.jpg&hash=3f904b63ec6d32d4235aa33c1e9364e3325dc54e)
Good old miniature glory... I miss it.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 12:07:08 AMCritical acclaimed movie does not a good movie make. ;) ;D
Grosses do not a good movie make.
He made tons of money, but his films were pretty much all critical flops.
Besides I think Stargate and Independence Day were well received by critics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 30, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 30, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
No, they weren't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 06:33:31 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 06:33:31 AM
Now that I check Stargate has been received with mixed reviews. Mh.
*Shrugs* well, who cares? :P
*Shrugs* well, who cares? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 03:09:19 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 05:43:21 AMTrue. Avatar got lots o critical acclaim, and I don't think it was that good.
Critical acclaimed movie does not a good movie make. ;) ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 30, 2010, 05:47:03 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 30, 2010, 05:47:03 PM
Ditto.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2010, 06:39:15 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2010, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 30, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
No, they weren't.
I thought IPD and Patriot got good movie reviews?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 30, 2010, 08:51:30 PM
Post by: Undeadite on Aug 30, 2010, 08:51:30 PM
They got alright, but not great reviews. ID4 was bashed for its dependence on special effects over narrative substance.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 03:09:19 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 05:43:21 AMTrue. Avatar got lots o critical acclaim, and I don't think it was that good.
Critical acclaimed movie does not a good movie make. ;) ;D
The same can also be said of money makers. Godzilla 98 made a wackton of moolah, but it still sucked. And it was an Emmerich film, go figure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 09:11:10 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 30, 2010, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2010, 09:09:26 PMDoh, and what do you think we based that argument on?
The same can also be said of money makers. Godzilla 98 made a wackton of moolah, but it still sucked.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 30, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Grosses do not a good movie make.
He made tons of money, but his films were pretty much all critical flops.
Besides, it's debatable. ;) :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 31, 2010, 12:58:02 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Aug 31, 2010, 12:58:02 AM
touched a nerve, didn't he?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 31, 2010, 02:34:13 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 31, 2010, 02:34:13 AM
I wonder why the Avatar re-release did not make it at the top 10 this weekend?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 31, 2010, 02:44:23 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 31, 2010, 02:44:23 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 31, 2010, 02:34:13 AMI think everyone's seen it plenty of times already, but they have it at home, and it's a 3D IMAX-only re-release.
I wonder why the Avatar re-release did not make it at the top 10 this weekend?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 31, 2010, 03:45:23 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Aug 31, 2010, 03:45:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
The same can also be said of money makers. Godzilla 98 made a wackton of moolah, but it still sucked.
Actually, it was considered a disappointment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
Rightly so. It was terrible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 31, 2010, 03:58:28 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 31, 2010, 03:58:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
The same can also be said of money makers. Godzilla 98 made a wackton of moolah, but it still sucked. And it was an Emmerich film, go figure.
G98 made a lot of money, but Sony considered it a disappointment at the box office. Since Sony was hoping it will make as much as IPD did back in 96. The movie made a lot to make a sequel, but the idea was scrap due to the poor rep the movie had.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2010, 06:11:26 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2010, 06:11:26 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 31, 2010, 02:34:13 AM
I wonder why the Avatar re-release did not make it at the top 10 this weekend?
People have finally gotten sick of it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 06:13:55 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 06:13:55 AM
Hmmm... much faster than Titanic it would seem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 08:16:08 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 08:16:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 06:13:55 AM
Hmmm... much faster than Titanic it would seem.
the candle of Avatar burned hot and fast, i guess. i don't care, the sooner people forget about Avatar the movie, the sooner people will stop assuming i'm named after it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 08:47:01 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 08:47:01 AM
You mean you didn't then? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 09:01:03 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 09:01:03 AM
no, i just refused to stop using it because a movie came out with the same name, same goes for the last airbender, my screen name predates both (i'm almost 25 and i've been using it since i was 12 or 13)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 09:06:08 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 09:06:08 AM
Hahaha, I know mate. I was joking :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 09:43:45 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 09:06:08 AM
Hahaha, I know mate. I was joking :D
that's ok, the more i post it, the more people know ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 31, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 31, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 08:16:08 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 06:13:55 AM
Hmmm... much faster than Titanic it would seem.
the candle of Avatar burned hot and fast, i guess. i don't care, the sooner people forget about Avatar the movie, the sooner people will stop assuming i'm named after it.
Using an avatar of a blue guy doesn't help too. :D
You know, not everyone knows that dude's Dr. Manhattan.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 11:36:20 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 31, 2010, 11:28:24 AMQuote from: AvatarIII on Aug 31, 2010, 08:16:08 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 06:13:55 AM
Hmmm... much faster than Titanic it would seem.
the candle of Avatar burned hot and fast, i guess. i don't care, the sooner people forget about Avatar the movie, the sooner people will stop assuming i'm named after it.
Using an avatar of a blue guy doesn't help too. :D
You know, not everyone knows that dude's Dr. Manhattan.
well then, they can be educated, by Professor L Hook, and his assistant Righty Uppercuterson ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 31, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
Post by: [Alpha]Frost on Aug 31, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
Good negociating tactics :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 31, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 31, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 31, 2010, 02:34:13 AMThere's a number of reasons
I wonder why the Avatar re-release did not make it at the top 10 this weekend?
1. Not everyone wants to see it again
2. Not everyone wants to pay another ticket for 10 (whatever) minutes added
3. People would prefer to see new movies instead of films they've already seen with 10 (whatever) minutes added.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 31, 2010, 03:58:28 AMI think there's another reason other than a poor reception. A script for the sequel was written too if I recall right. If you ask me, it's because it entered in production hell and with 2003, the project was scrapped because the rights expired.
G98 made a lot of money, but Sony considered it a disappointment at the box office. Since Sony was hoping it will make as much as IPD did back in 96. The movie made a lot to make a sequel, but the idea was scrap due to the poor rep the movie had.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2010, 08:47:01 AM
You mean you didn't then? :D
He's named after the forthcoming third installment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2010, 02:10:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2010, 02:10:23 AM
The only people who will see Avatar again in theatres are the people who cream over special effects. There are movie goers who only care about pretty pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 01, 2010, 02:31:45 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 01, 2010, 02:31:45 AM
and weirdos. weirdos of wich Ney'tiri is their waifu.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2010, 02:32:49 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2010, 02:32:49 AM
Their what?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 01, 2010, 02:34:11 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 01, 2010, 02:34:11 AM
Imaginary wife. the less you know the better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 01, 2010, 06:38:56 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 01, 2010, 06:38:56 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2010, 02:10:23 AMYou don't know for sure; there's someone who got to see Titanic 7-8 times and I'm sure to bet it's not for the SFX only.
The only people who will see Avatar again in theatres are the people who cream over special effects. There are movie goers who only care about pretty pictures.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Sep 01, 2010, 08:56:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 01, 2010, 08:56:27 AM
Titanic had half a plot.
EDIT
Just wrote this on another Forum while discussing the movie with someone. I think it sums up my feelings nicely.
EDIT
Just wrote this on another Forum while discussing the movie with someone. I think it sums up my feelings nicely.
QuoteNo-one's saying it's not fun. They're saying it's an overblown 2.5-hour masturbatory self-congratulating ego-stroking effects showreel for Cameron that's hidden behind the most barefaced, unoriginal, uninspired, transparent plot ever to be committed to screen since Gus Van Sant decided to do a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho. That's all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 01, 2010, 03:04:47 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 01, 2010, 03:04:47 PM
Someone carve that. In stone.
Now.
Now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Sep 01, 2010, 03:08:29 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Sep 01, 2010, 03:08:29 PM
He certainly has a way with words :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 02, 2010, 12:00:34 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 02, 2010, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2010, 08:56:27 AM
Titanic had half a plot.
EDIT
Just wrote this on another Forum while discussing the movie with someone. I think it sums up my feelings nicely.QuoteNo-one's saying it's not fun. They're saying it's an overblown 2.5-hour masturbatory self-congratulating ego-stroking effects showreel for Cameron that's hidden behind the most barefaced, unoriginal, uninspired, transparent plot ever to be committed to screen since Gus Van Sant decided to do a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho. That's all.
Can I have a link? :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Sep 02, 2010, 12:59:31 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Sep 02, 2010, 12:59:31 AM
And a stone. Maybe Carving 101, as taught by Moses?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2010, 02:41:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2010, 02:41:30 AM
QuoteNo-one's saying it's not fun. They're saying it's an overblown 2.5-hour masturbatory self-congratulating ego-stroking effects showreel for Cameron that's hidden behind the most barefaced, unoriginal, uninspired, transparent plot ever to be committed to screen since Gus Van Sant decided to do a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho. That's all.[/quote]
This is awesome :D which website did you post this at?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 02, 2010, 04:16:08 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 02, 2010, 04:16:08 AM
its like every rant about avatar had been dissolved, dryed, mixed and packed for easy consuption.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 02, 2010, 04:53:44 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 02, 2010, 04:53:44 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2010, 08:56:27 AM
Titanic had half a plot.
Half a plot? The actual historical fact of the sinking of Titanic or the half-assed teenage romance? Btw, I hate Titanic, though it's not as bad as Avatar. Three hours of a corny romance and a ship-sinking. f**k you Cameron, give me my 3 hours back.
QuoteEDIT[/quote]
Just wrote this on another Forum while discussing the movie with someone. I think it sums up my feelings nicely.QuoteNo-one's saying it's not fun. They're saying it's an overblown 2.5-hour masturbatory self-congratulating ego-stroking effects showreel for Cameron that's hidden behind the most barefaced, unoriginal, uninspired, transparent plot ever to be committed to screen since Gus Van Sant decided to do a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho. That's all.
Truer words cannot be said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2010, 04:59:13 AM
Post by: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2010, 04:59:13 AM
One thing that may or may not have been brought up:
Avatar's implication that a scientific mind is by definition more closed than an educated one, playing into the audience's vanity and making them believe they could do the same in Jake's position.
Irks me.
Avatar's implication that a scientific mind is by definition more closed than an educated one, playing into the audience's vanity and making them believe they could do the same in Jake's position.
Irks me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 05:11:58 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 05:11:58 AM
That was implied?
Are we talking Grace initially poo-pooing Jake?
Are we talking Grace initially poo-pooing Jake?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 02, 2010, 05:46:55 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 02, 2010, 05:46:55 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2010, 04:59:13 AM
One thing that may or may not have been brought up:
Avatar's implication that a scientific mind is by definition more closed than an educated one, playing into the audience's vanity and making them believe they could do the same in Jake's position.
Irks me.
I thought his implication was the timeless 'noble savage' thing which is complete bs. The same thing with the redneck (aptly played by a real-life redneck) who has 'a noble heart'. No, he's just a redneck. And the blue people are savages. Just that. I was rooting for the military to win.
At least Ferngully had fairies. And fairies are aw3some.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 03, 2010, 05:01:35 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 03, 2010, 05:01:35 AM
tsk tsk. contractors, not military, don't forget that next time somebody says
"hurr why didn't they bombed the place from orbit"
"hurr why didn't they bombed the place from orbit"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2010, 05:15:17 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2010, 05:15:17 AM
Anyone else having a problem watching this on blu-ray PC? I get this strange color glitch, a freeze glitch and crash glitch.
It only plays perfectly on the PS3 from what I've seen.
It only plays perfectly on the PS3 from what I've seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:00:49 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:00:49 PM
Wouldn't know. Didn't waste my money ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
*crickets*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
My wit once again goes unappreciated...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
Post by: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
*cue violin*
:P
:P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:53:27 PM
Oh shut up >_<
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2010, 10:35:40 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2010, 10:35:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:00:49 PM
Wouldn't know. Didn't waste my money ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc
Quote from: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
*crickets*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
My wit once again goes unappreciated...
Quote from: Cellien on Sep 03, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
*cue violin*
:P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riytk96ARlM
This needed sound effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 03, 2010, 10:35:40 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:00:49 PM
Wouldn't know. Didn't waste my money ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc
Thank you!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 05:16:16 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 05:16:16 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2010, 08:53:27 PMIts almost like wherever you post someone finds a way to poke fun at you man ;)
Oh shut up >_<
Just jokes
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
Except for the one about pedophilia. That was serious.
Keep your loved ones safe.
Keep your loved ones safe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:01:34 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:01:34 AM
^ I didnt mean it like that.
I meant me telling Doomrulz everyone enjoys picking on him was just jokes.
Not pedophilia, that isnt even close to a joke.
I meant me telling Doomrulz everyone enjoys picking on him was just jokes.
Not pedophilia, that isnt even close to a joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 06:08:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 06:08:45 AM
That was funny in the Pics of Yourself thread, come on! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:12:21 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:12:21 AM
^ Fine I admit it was :D
But we should really get back on topic......
I really have no comments on this movie. :P
But we should really get back on topic......
I really have no comments on this movie. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
Yeah. SM kinda said everything there was to be said.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 04, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
So.........
Did anyone watch the "new" version in theaters? what did they add?
Did anyone watch the "new" version in theaters? what did they add?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:51:14 AMThe sister has been sent to a convent. No worries -_-
Except for the one about pedophilia. That was serious.
Keep your loved ones safe.
I like Avatar, the theatre experience was amazing. Cameron set out to make a universal movie (Project 8-80, right?) and largely succeeded. What he didn't succeed to do, was draw in the tech noir, hard sci-fi fans in. If they were drawn in, they weren't completely enarmoured by the sci-fi fantasy - it was too conventional for them, or at least, for me. It's greatest strength in appealing to masses was its biggest drawback when dealing with harder film fans. My favourite Cameron films are his tech noir, gritty ones; The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, and T2 (which was less dark but dealt with deeper themes than T1). I love sci-fi like Alien and Blade Runner, so the sci-fi fantasy genre only holds limited appeal for me (though the Star Wars trilogy has kept me happy, though not to fanboy degrees). I'm hoping JC goes dark with Battle Angel and not Avatar 2 for his next movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
Marines, Fitzgerald...y'all straight bitchez!!
This is why films in general suck these days. There's no breath of originality on a large scale and it shows. Stories are cliched, characters are plastic, and special effects (can be) too heavy. It's a shame too when directors known for making good material, like Cameron, go down that road.
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AMIt's greatest strength in appealing to masses was its biggest drawback when dealing with harder film fans.
This is why films in general suck these days. There's no breath of originality on a large scale and it shows. Stories are cliched, characters are plastic, and special effects (can be) too heavy. It's a shame too when directors known for making good material, like Cameron, go down that road.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Sep 04, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Sep 04, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994:BlogPost:2465642
Just shut up, Jim.
Just shut up, Jim.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 04:38:41 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 04:38:41 PM
Quotethat is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D
horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D.
When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at
the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get
the last few drops of blood out of the turnip"
The man does have a point, since 3D is popping up everywhere now in dying franchises (i.e. Saw and Final Destination). But honestly, he's so full of it. He just keeps coming across as an arrogant dick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Yautja117 on Sep 04, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Post by: Yautja117 on Sep 04, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Exactly. He's just to full of himself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Well, he is King of the World!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 05:50:39 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2010, 05:50:39 PM
Oh geez, don't remind me. That speech was such a joke. How the hell can that man forget that at one time he was a simple Joe like everyone else?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 07:19:08 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 07:19:08 PM
Not sure the exact reason, but billions upon billions of dollars probably didn't help.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 05, 2010, 12:00:58 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Sep 05, 2010, 12:00:58 AM
My god, he just needs to have his mouth taped shut.
But then Im pretty sure the next words he would utter after that would be
"Im suing you!"
::)
But then Im pretty sure the next words he would utter after that would be
"Im suing you!"
::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 05, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 05, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
Cameron isn't known for suing anyone
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Sep 05, 2010, 12:57:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 05, 2010, 12:57:17 AM
Being sued, on the other hand ...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 05, 2010, 01:15:01 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 05, 2010, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 04, 2010, 05:38:30 PMWell, he is King of the World!
I bet it's no coincidence that he has the same initials as Jesus Christ. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Sep 05, 2010, 01:17:00 AM
Post by: First Blood on Sep 05, 2010, 01:17:00 AM
So does John Conner.
Maybe John Conner is a representation of himself, saying that he's the savior of mankind. :D
Maybe John Conner is a representation of himself, saying that he's the savior of mankind. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: meanstreak on Sep 05, 2010, 02:08:27 AM
Post by: meanstreak on Sep 05, 2010, 02:08:27 AM
bah, the funny thing for me is that if Avatar was re-released in 2D I'd probably go see it since I only saw it in 3D. It was the first 3D film I watched in a theater since Jaws 3 when I was 6 years old. I doubt I'll see another 3D movie though, since all it added to the movie experience for me was a headache. Maybe I need glasses or something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2010, 10:56:58 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2010, 10:56:58 PM
QuoteHow the hell can that man forget that at one time he was a simple Joe like everyone else?
When was this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 05, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 05, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
Piranha 2.
god forbid you mention it.
god forbid you mention it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 06, 2010, 01:03:24 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 06, 2010, 01:03:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2010, 10:56:58 PMQuoteHow the hell can that man forget that at one time he was a simple Joe like everyone else?
When was this?
Before he became big-time director.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:38:48 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:38:48 AM
Wouldn't suprise me if he was a prick back then too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Sep 06, 2010, 08:42:39 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Sep 06, 2010, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:38:48 AM
Wouldn't suprise me if he was a prick back then too.
if he was a prick, why would people like Biehn and Weaver want to work with him multiple times?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 06, 2010, 08:53:09 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 06, 2010, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Sep 06, 2010, 08:42:39 AMIt's all part of God's plan, Gaius. :DQuote from: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:38:48 AM
Wouldn't suprise me if he was a prick back then too.
if he was a prick, why would people like Biehn and Weaver want to work with him multiple times?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 06, 2010, 09:48:53 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 06, 2010, 09:48:53 AM
According to his friends and co-workers, he's only a hard bastard if you don't do the job. Do your job and you're fine. Biehn, Paxton, Goldstein, Fiedel etc have all be rewarded with other roles and jobs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
It's not the hard bastard bit, though; it's the being a prick bit. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 06, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 06, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
Any director can be a prick, whether they be big or small time. It's all about whether or not the actor is doing what he or she is supposed to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 06, 2010, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 06, 2010, 11:40:00 PM
Cameron has had people swear they'd never work for him again. Most of the Abyss cast and one half of the Titanic duo. Other people seem totally cool with him. Including siggy, including most of the subcast of Aliens, including most of the cast from Avatar.
I'd say it all boils down to whether or not you can stand a boss that yells.
I'd say it all boils down to whether or not you can stand a boss that yells.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 11:50:44 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 11:50:44 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he's mellowed a little in recent years.
Weaver was aware of Cameron being a prick but said neither she nor Carrie Henn ever experienced it.
Biehn has rarely been in a position to knock back work.
Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio however did experience it first hand. Mastrantonio diplomatically said of him "He's not the best collaborator, lets leave it at that." Orson Scott Card said he made everyone around him miserable on the set of The Abyss. Winslet wouldn't work him again unless she got paid a lot of money.
Weaver was aware of Cameron being a prick but said neither she nor Carrie Henn ever experienced it.
Biehn has rarely been in a position to knock back work.
Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio however did experience it first hand. Mastrantonio diplomatically said of him "He's not the best collaborator, lets leave it at that." Orson Scott Card said he made everyone around him miserable on the set of The Abyss. Winslet wouldn't work him again unless she got paid a lot of money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2010, 01:31:08 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2010, 01:31:08 AM
Orson Scott Card at one point was terrified that Cameron would get to make Ender's Game and that Card would have to colloborate with Cameron on a very consistant basis.
I'd heard Ed Harris wouldn't work with Cameron again either to go along with Mastrantonio and Winslet.
I'd heard Ed Harris wouldn't work with Cameron again either to go along with Mastrantonio and Winslet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 01:42:16 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 01:42:16 AM
It's funny how there's no animosity in the foreward to Card's Abyss novelisation. Not that there would be of course, but it's almost the complete opposite of Card's later comments.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2010, 02:35:36 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2010, 02:35:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 11:50:44 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he's mellowed a little in recent years.
Weaver was aware of Cameron being a prick but said neither she nor Carrie Henn ever experienced it.
Biehn has rarely been in a position to knock back work.
Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio however did experience it first hand. Mastrantonio diplomatically said of him "He's not the best collaborator, lets leave it at that." Orson Scott Card said he made everyone around him miserable on the set of The Abyss. Winslet wouldn't work him again unless she got paid a lot of money.
That's really sad, if he has big name actors bad-mouthing him. Granted it probably doesn't matter though since he can do pretty much whatever he wants when it comes to making movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 02:44:15 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 02:44:15 AM
Wouldn't say they've been publicly bad mouthing him. Very poor form. Nevertheless they've made their dissatisfaction known.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2010, 05:30:04 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2010, 05:30:04 AM
Lots of Abyss problems suppossedly came from Cameron's temper, but also peoples inability to cope with the underwater aspect of the Abyss set.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 05:36:04 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 05:36:04 AM
Fair enough too. That woulda been a shithouse shoot from all reports.
Did come off looking real though.
Did come off looking real though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 07, 2010, 06:03:43 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 07, 2010, 06:03:43 AM
I believe whenever you try to do something you're very passionate about and other people who work with you can't keep up....
you naturally get pissed off at them for not keeping up. I would say, that applies for all things.
you naturally get pissed off at them for not keeping up. I would say, that applies for all things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
Plenty of directors work their crews hard without having tanties.
Peter Jackson, for example, shot three epics back to back, with very little rest for years and many have commented that they never saw him lose it.
Mind you the stories of Cambo nailing the mobile phones of the crew to the wall if they went off on set on Avatar would be hard to fault.
Peter Jackson, for example, shot three epics back to back, with very little rest for years and many have commented that they never saw him lose it.
Mind you the stories of Cambo nailing the mobile phones of the crew to the wall if they went off on set on Avatar would be hard to fault.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 07, 2010, 07:16:05 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 07, 2010, 07:16:05 AM
There have been a plethora of 'nasty' directors who make James look pale in comparison. Kubrick was renowned for being 'cold' towards his actors and even cutting off relationships, but couldn't be praised enough by his inner circle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2010, 08:08:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2010, 08:08:18 PM
Yeah, I remember Shelley Duvall saying the bathroom axe scene wore her out because he did over 100 takes of it. Kubrick was really whacked out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2010, 08:08:18 PMBlame it on the hotel.
Kubrick was really whacked out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
He did squillions of takes on other flicks to though...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
2001: A Space Odyssey: He was in cryo too long, brain cells were destroyed.
Full Metal Jacket: The chaos of war drove him insane.
Barry Lyndon: He found out he came from a blood-line of imbred children started from Barry.
A Clockwork Orange: He was raped, and came out a broken man.
Full Metal Jacket: The chaos of war drove him insane.
Barry Lyndon: He found out he came from a blood-line of imbred children started from Barry.
A Clockwork Orange: He was raped, and came out a broken man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
And 'ad a bit of a pain in 'is gulliver.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 08, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 08, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 12:11:16 AMI swear, this man pumps out references like a factory!
And 'ad a bit of a pain in 'is gulliver.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 03:21:57 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 03:21:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
He did squillions of takes on other flicks to though...
Naturally, but there's no reason to think the man didn't drive his casts insane each time with his rabid desire for perfection.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 03:55:48 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 03:55:48 AM
???
Your point?
Your point?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 10:36:13 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 11:57:37 PMThe Shining: he stayed in the Overlook Hotel for a lot of time and drove insane.
2001: A Space Odyssey: He was in cryo too long, brain cells were destroyed.
Full Metal Jacket: The chaos of war drove him insane.
Barry Lyndon: He found out he came from a blood-line of imbred children started from Barry.
A Clockwork Orange: He was raped, and came out a broken man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 08, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 08, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
Kubrick drove Scatman Crothers to teas with reshoots. Apparently he wanted to do his death scene 70 times, but Nicholson asked Kubrick to go easy on the 70 year old. They did about 40 takes in the end. (watch the making of The Shining to see Kubrick and Duvall going at each other :P)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 08, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 08, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 10:36:13 AMI had already used that in a post above :DQuote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 07, 2010, 11:57:37 PMThe Shining: he stayed in the Overlook Hotel for a lot of time and drove insane.
2001: A Space Odyssey: He was in cryo too long, brain cells were destroyed.
Full Metal Jacket: The chaos of war drove him insane.
Barry Lyndon: He found out he came from a blood-line of imbred children started from Barry.
A Clockwork Orange: He was raped, and came out a broken man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 02:57:57 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 08, 2010, 02:48:07 PMShit...
I had already used that in a post above :D
Well, In Eyes Wide Shut he had his eyes shut... I guess.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 09:27:33 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 03:55:48 AM
???
Your point?
it sounded as though you were saying he's done other flicks where he wasn't so anal about the production.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Don't think there was any flick where he didn't drive someone up the wall.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Sep 08, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
Post by: First Blood on Sep 08, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
He's been pissing people off, as far back as Piranha II.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 11:02:36 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Don't think there was any flick where he didn't drive someone up the wall.
That sort of behaviour would only a film though, so why do it? Yeesh. The same thing can be said of Cameron. Not that Jimbo is an obsessive freak like Kubrick, but that he can be annoying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 01:50:30 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 01:50:30 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 07, 2010, 07:16:05 AM
There have been a plethora of 'nasty' directors who make James look pale in comparison. Kubrick was renowned for being 'cold' towards his actors and even cutting off relationships, but couldn't be praised enough by his inner circle.
Difference - Kubrick actually made good, original movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
'Cept for Eyes Wide Shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 02:25:51 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 02:25:51 AM
Eyes Wide Shut is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:28:00 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:28:00 AM
A masterpiece of shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 02:33:03 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Sep 09, 2010, 02:33:03 AM
And why do you think it is shit?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
Utterly dull and boring. Just a schnoozefest. Plus I'm not a Cruise fan, and Kidman is her usual wooden self.
And before you jump to any assumptions, I just bought the 2001 BR because I love it so.
And before you jump to any assumptions, I just bought the 2001 BR because I love it so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
About the Extended Collector's Edition.
"I told our team --- let's do the ultimate box set of Avatar, with everything in it the fans could possibly want. There's an extended length cut that's sixteen minutes longer, plus documentaries, behind the scenes featurettes, artwork and over 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Everything worth putting into a special edition is in this set," said James Cameron.
More details can be found here.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23506
"I told our team --- let's do the ultimate box set of Avatar, with everything in it the fans could possibly want. There's an extended length cut that's sixteen minutes longer, plus documentaries, behind the scenes featurettes, artwork and over 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Everything worth putting into a special edition is in this set," said James Cameron.
More details can be found here.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23506
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
I wonder what people consider "original" nowadays?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 05, 2010, 11:56:24 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 05, 2010, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Shasvre on Oct 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
About the Extended Collector's Edition.
"I told our team --- let's do the ultimate box set of Avatar, with everything in it the fans could possibly want. There's an extended length cut that's sixteen minutes longer, plus documentaries, behind the scenes featurettes, artwork and over 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Everything worth putting into a special edition is in this set," said James Cameron.
More details can be found here.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23506
YES! f**k YES!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: Shasvre on Oct 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AMMother of Dagon, I really can't wait. 45 minutes? Hell yes man, I'm in.
About the Extended Collector's Edition.
"I told our team --- let's do the ultimate box set of Avatar, with everything in it the fans could possibly want. There's an extended length cut that's sixteen minutes longer, plus documentaries, behind the scenes featurettes, artwork and over 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Everything worth putting into a special edition is in this set," said James Cameron.
More details can be found here.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23506
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AMThe true question is, can something that comes out nowadays be considered "original"?
I wonder what people consider "original" nowadays?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 05, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 05, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
QuoteThe true question is, can something that comes out nowadays be considered "original"?
QFT
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AMNothing's original, it's the presentation that matters [Shakespeare's King Lear, Romeo & Juliet, for two, are adapted from earlier works - but Shakespeare's the shit]. I'm not sold that Cameron nailed it with Avatar, but he wasn't intent on being completely original, he deliberately made it 'accessible' for kids. Sucks for more tech-noir/hard sci--fi fans, but oh well.
I wonder what people consider "original" nowadays?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 05, 2010, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 05, 2010, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 12:41:59 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AMNothing's original, it's the presentation that matters [Shakespeare's King Lear, Romeo & Juliet, for two, are adapted from earlier works - but Shakespeare's the shit]. I'm not sold that Cameron nailed it with Avatar, but he wasn't intent on being completely original, he deliberately made it 'accessible' for kids. Sucks for more tech-noir/hard sci--fi fans, but oh well.
I wonder what people consider "original" nowadays?
totally agree with you Val, oh well i can sit here and hop that Dan simmon's Hyperion Cantos movie gets off the ground, or we get a good remake of Dune, or Alastair Reynolds gets a movie deal.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Oct 05, 2010, 08:14:53 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Oct 05, 2010, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Oct 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AM
About the Extended Collector's Edition.
"I told our team --- let's do the ultimate box set of Avatar, with everything in it the fans could possibly want. There's an extended length cut that's sixteen minutes longer, plus documentaries, behind the scenes featurettes, artwork and over 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Everything worth putting into a special edition is in this set," said James Cameron.
More details can be found here.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23506
Do want.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 05, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
I wonder what people consider "original" nowadays?
90% of material that's released nowadays isn't. It's all about presentation. There's a reason why District 9 was so well-received and why people criticize Avatar for being shallow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 05, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 05, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
District 9 and Avatar almost tell the exact same story. The difference is that District 9 made it less obvious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
I don't even know why people compare Avatar to District 9, i enjoyed both.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:53:14 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:53:14 PM
Because they're very similar in terms of story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:53:14 PMReally? Because i've missed that part.
Because they're very similar in terms of story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:57:30 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:57:30 PM
Both are about colonialism and imperialism. It's one group forcing their will on another.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
Post by: Razz on Oct 05, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
Meh still don't see it, suppose i just don't look that deeply into movies like that but whatever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Also the human against the aliens, becomes an alien and joins them scenario.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Awesome news. Unfortunately, I bought the first release...:'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 05, 2010, 10:37:35 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 05, 2010, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Also the human against the aliens, becomes an alien and joins them scenario.
The trick in District 9 - which hid it's sources infinitely better - was to not make Wikus the slightest bit altruistic. He only helped the prawns for purely selfish reasons. It wasn't until they were going to kill Christopher, that he actually put himself on the line to help them. Watched the end again the other day and it nearly had me in tears. Again.
Avatar generally just makes me groan and cringe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 05, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 05, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
This blu-ray release is the reason I'm buying a PS3 in a few weeks. And Expendable's blu-ray.
:)
:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 06, 2010, 02:00:39 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 06, 2010, 02:00:39 AM
Took ya long enough ;) ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 11, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 11, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
Just more lame cgi spectacle without substance or soul.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 12, 2010, 01:42:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 12, 2010, 01:42:45 AM
Y'know, I'm not really sure how this film got so much critical acclaim and financial success. Almost everyone I've spoken with (be they here, my friends, or at school) agree that this film was okay and only really worth seeing once, maybe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 01:45:35 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 01:45:35 AM
I've spoken to a bunch of people at work who love it, and look at me funny when I tell them how disappointed I was with how cliched and derivative the story was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 12, 2010, 01:49:56 AM
Post by: CELTICPRED on Oct 12, 2010, 01:49:56 AM
Ah, glad to see the thread is bumped so the "dohohohohoh this is over rated" circle jerk can start again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Oct 12, 2010, 01:49:56 AM
Ah, glad to see the thread is bumped so the "dohohohohoh this is over rated" circle jerk can start again.
I was going to suck this movie's dick like the rest of the thread. But they don't pay me enough. Relieves boredom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
Everyone I know thought it was great fun, kinda what it was intended to be, not Blade Runner. Anyway, detractors in the 70's lambasted Star Wars for being a Flash Gordon rip, with cliched story, characters, effects as spectacle, and that it killed 'serious' cinema, etc. Diff'rent generations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:02:17 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:02:17 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
Everyone I know thought it was great fun, kinda what it was intended to be, not Blade Runner. Anyway, detractors in the 70's lambasted Star Wars for being a Flash Gordon rip, with cliched story, characters, effects as spectacle, and that it killed 'serious' cinema, etc. Diff'rent generations.
Star Wars had strong characters and was a completely fresh take on science fiction movies. Avatar is full of limp characters and I feel like I've seen the movie 1000 times already. Nothing in it is original or unique.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:03:51 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:03:51 AM
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:02:17 AMStar Wars met the same reaction from cine buffs in teh 70's, the old elite who didn't care for the genre. The new kids in the 70's loved it and didn't care for the criticism, and neither do kids of today.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
Everyone I know thought it was great fun, kinda what it was intended to be, not Blade Runner. Anyway, detractors in the 70's lambasted Star Wars for being a Flash Gordon rip, with cliched story, characters, effects as spectacle, and that it killed 'serious' cinema, etc. Diff'rent generations.
Star Wars had strong characters and was a completely fresh take on science fiction movies. Avatar is full of limp characters and I feel like I've seen the movie 1000 times already. Nothing in it is original or unique.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 12, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 12, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
I'm a kid of today. So're my friends. We didn't like Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:01 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:01 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 12, 2010, 02:04:45 AMNot everyone likes everything, even when universals are mentioned. Not literally everyone could like something, and I think you know what I meant, so let's not argue semantics.
I'm a kid of today. So're my friends. We didn't like Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:58 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:58 AM
I doubt Avatar will mimic the cult success of Star Wars. It'll probably be forgotten in 10 years. There is really nothing of interest in Avatar to sustain it. Even to a typical braindead teen of this generation, jacked up on ritalin and MTV.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Oct 12, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on Oct 12, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
I hope Cameron goes back to his roots. As much as I like Titanic, it really opened the floodgates for half assed stuff like Avatar.
He should do anoher low budget film. He was at his best with limited budgets.
He should do anoher low budget film. He was at his best with limited budgets.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:13:49 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:13:49 AM
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:58 AMI didn't say it would. It has a large fanbase though, so forgotten in 10 years? Nah.
I doubt Avatar will mimic the cult success of Star Wars. It'll probably be forgotten in 10 years. There is really nothing of interest in Avatar to sustain it. Even to a typical braindead teen of this generation, jacked up on ritalin and MTV.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:17:08 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:17:08 AM
Especially if he's doing sequels. Avatar came at a time when it was very simple to see everything that Cameron had nicked his ideas from. With Star Wars, Lucas nicked stuff from a lot of diverse and eclectic sources which 99% of people would be oblivious too. So Star Wars had much more of a kick.
As if.
I just don't think a lot of his flicks have much rewatch value, in that you scratch the surface and there's not much underneath. Even with Aliens, which I love, it's probably the Alien film I rewatch the least.
Quotee should do anoher low budget film. He was at his best with limited budgets.
As if.
I just don't think a lot of his flicks have much rewatch value, in that you scratch the surface and there's not much underneath. Even with Aliens, which I love, it's probably the Alien film I rewatch the least.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:21:20 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:21:20 AM
What's the sequel going to be about? More blue people running around the jungle? As I said, there's nothing in there to sustain it. There's no story, no characters, not one thing of interest that hasn't been done better 1000 times before.
It's more like a fad. The only reason Avatar is so popular is because of something called advertising and distribution.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:13:49 AMQuote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:58 AMI didn't say it would. It has a large fanbase though, so forgotten in 10 years? Nah.
I doubt Avatar will mimic the cult success of Star Wars. It'll probably be forgotten in 10 years. There is really nothing of interest in Avatar to sustain it. Even to a typical braindead teen of this generation, jacked up on ritalin and MTV.
It's more like a fad. The only reason Avatar is so popular is because of something called advertising and distribution.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:25:34 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:25:34 AM
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:21:20 AMYou have to realise that other people have different perspectives. They're not likely to find the movie uninteresting, especially if they got it to gross so much. [Avatar's BO had a trend of defying most blockbusters, whose grosses fizzle out after one week, and actually ascended, then stayed consistent, for a number of weeks, which meant more people going to see it, and also many multiple viewings. People liked it.].
What's the sequel going to be about? More blue people running around the jungle? As I said, there's nothing in there to sustain it. There's no story, no characters, not one thing of interest that hasn't been done better 1000 times before.
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:09:58 AMLike Star Wars itself? Probably the first big merchandising movies, and the biggest, probably to this day.
It's more like a fad. The only reason Avatar is so popular is because of something called advertising and distribution.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
Didn't SW spread more by word of mouth than massive studio PR?
Weyland Yutani return from Earth with a shitload more soldiers to take on a shitload more blue thundercats. Sigourney Weaver returns as an avatar of Eywa to guide Jake, Obi-Wan style. Zoe Saldana is captured at the end. In the third one Jake has to rescue her from the WY ship in orbit and there's a massive space battle. The captured company ship is piloted back to Earth by the Na'vi and they regreen the planet again, with the help of new character, Wall'E.
Hilarity ensues.
QuoteWhat's the sequel going to be about?
Weyland Yutani return from Earth with a shitload more soldiers to take on a shitload more blue thundercats. Sigourney Weaver returns as an avatar of Eywa to guide Jake, Obi-Wan style. Zoe Saldana is captured at the end. In the third one Jake has to rescue her from the WY ship in orbit and there's a massive space battle. The captured company ship is piloted back to Earth by the Na'vi and they regreen the planet again, with the help of new character, Wall'E.
Hilarity ensues.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:35:04 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:35:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:33:20 AMOnly missing the Ewok equivalents :(QuoteWhat's the sequel going to be about?
Weyland Yutani return from Earth with a shitload more soldiers to take on a shitload more blue thundercats. Sigourney Weaver returns as an avatar of Eywa to guide Jake, Obi-Wan style. Zoe Saldana is captured at the end. In the third one Jake has to rescue her from the WY ship in orbit and there's a massive space battle.
Hilarity ensues.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:36:04 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:36:04 AM
I made a slight edit. Wall'E can be the Ewok.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:46:23 AM
Post by: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:46:23 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:25:34 AMQuote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:21:20 AMYou have to realise that other people have different perspectives. They're not likely to find the movie uninteresting, especially if they got it to gross so much. [Avatar's BO had a trend of defying most blockbusters, whose grosses fizzle out after one week, and actually ascended, then stayed consistent, for a number of weeks, which meant more people going to see it, and also many multiple viewings. People liked it.].
What's the sequel going to be about? More blue people running around the jungle? As I said, there's nothing in there to sustain it. There's no story, no characters, not one thing of interest that hasn't been done better 1000 times before.
Not like there was much choice. With Avatar on every single screen, of course people are going to watch it. And pay the overpriced tickets. The movie had also been hyped for several years beforehand.
QuoteDidn't SW spread more by word of mouth than massive studio PR?
Most definitely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 12, 2010, 02:53:33 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 12, 2010, 02:53:33 AM
Star Wars was genuinely something no one had ever seen before. Avatar isn't.
I've seen this jungle. I've seen these creatures. I've seen these aliens. I've seen these robots.
Had anyone ever seen anything like Darth Vader before Star Wars? Or the Millennium Falcon dog fighting Tie-fighters? Death Star? Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale.
I've seen this jungle. I've seen these creatures. I've seen these aliens. I've seen these robots.
Had anyone ever seen anything like Darth Vader before Star Wars? Or the Millennium Falcon dog fighting Tie-fighters? Death Star? Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:55:42 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 02:55:42 AM
Which is why it's a good idea to cherry pick ideas from all over the place in order to create something new.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 12, 2010, 02:58:06 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 12, 2010, 02:58:06 AM
I doubt people will forget about Avatar in 10 years since it was nomationed for 4 oscars, and is famous for its ground breaking CGI. I'm pretty sure Avatar 2 will be better since most Cameron sequels are better then the first unless you want to say that Alien is still a better movie then Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:59:00 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 02:59:00 AM
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 12, 2010, 02:46:23 AMOf course there was choice, no-one had to see the movie. [Take away the extra 10%-20% on the 3D tix, and Avatar still made more than Titanic. It ws big because people liked it. I recall many on the internet saying the movie would fail due to a lack of promotion in the months beforehand. November saw the kick in ads].
Not like there was much choice. With Avatar on every single screen, of course people are going to watch it. And pay the overpriced tickets. The movie had also been hyped for several years beforehand.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Oct 12, 2010, 02:53:33 AMOf course they had. Many, many parallels in older material. The kick in Star Wars was that it was simple and epic and fun. It really launched imaginations, but due to the characters and story, not the shots of outer space and muppets. With Avatar not impressing the grown-ups [allegedly], I suspect it's harder for people today to appreciate things on screen, because we've seen it before. Because of Citizen Kane, many camera shots are not as impressive; because of Alien, nothing will scare as much. The bar is continously raised. We're lucky to live in such an era, but we're a little spoiled as a result.
Star Wars was genuinely something no one had ever seen before. Avatar isn't.
I've seen this jungle. I've seen these creatures. I've seen these aliens. I've seen these robots.
Had anyone ever seen anything like Darth Vader before Star Wars? Or the Millennium Falcon dog fighting Tie-fighters? Death Star? Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:01:43 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:01:43 AM
QuoteOf course they had.
No. They hadn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:03:45 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:03:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:01:43 AMThey'd never seen Campbellian monomyth? Yes. They had. They've never seen samurai-helmeted villians and old knights? Yes. They had. They hadn't seen WWII dogfight movies? Yup. They hadn't seen the actual aesthetic that made up Vader, the suit, the character.QuoteOf course they had.
No. They hadn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
Yellow Alien said "Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale" which you disputed.
They hadn't seen anything like Star Wars before. Which is why whenever anyone of note is interviewed about when Star Wars came out they say "It was like nothing we'd ever seen before".
From the start with the Star Destroyer to the droids, the cantina, the Millennium Falcon, the Death Star, the final battle. No one had seen anything like it before.
Of course the monomyth stuff you mentioned had been seen in different forms for centuries - and it's one of the primary reasons Star Wars struck a chord.
They hadn't seen anything like Star Wars before. Which is why whenever anyone of note is interviewed about when Star Wars came out they say "It was like nothing we'd ever seen before".
From the start with the Star Destroyer to the droids, the cantina, the Millennium Falcon, the Death Star, the final battle. No one had seen anything like it before.
Of course the monomyth stuff you mentioned had been seen in different forms for centuries - and it's one of the primary reasons Star Wars struck a chord.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:09:06 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:09:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:07:21 AMI wasn't talking scale, but the elements that make the movie, though Lucas ripped many direct sequenes from prior dogfight movies, and space blew people away in 2001.
Yellow Alien said "Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale" which you disputed.
They hadn't seen anything like Star Wars before. Which is why whenever anyone of note is interviewed about when Star Wars came out they say "It was like nothing we'd ever seen before".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:10:23 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:10:23 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:09:06 AMQuote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:07:21 AMI wasn't talking scale, but the elements that make the movie, though Lucas ripped many direct sequenes from prior dogfight movies, and space blew people away in 2001.
Yellow Alien said "Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale" which you disputed.
They hadn't seen anything like Star Wars before. Which is why whenever anyone of note is interviewed about when Star Wars came out they say "It was like nothing we'd ever seen before".
2001 also put lots of people to sleep.
Star Wars made it infinitely more accessable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:12:10 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:12:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:10:23 AMI agree with that, but that doesn't mean no one had seen anything in it before, it was a successful mine of previous influences. Avatar didn't succeed in that department. Still, it was liked, loved, and successful. Star Wars is probably the first movie geek explosion and phenonemon, which continues to this day.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:09:06 AMQuote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:07:21 AMI wasn't talking scale, but the elements that make the movie, though Lucas ripped many direct sequenes from prior dogfight movies, and space blew people away in 2001.
Yellow Alien said "Maybe something similar, but not done on the same scale" which you disputed.
They hadn't seen anything like Star Wars before. Which is why whenever anyone of note is interviewed about when Star Wars came out they say "It was like nothing we'd ever seen before".
2001 also put lots of people to sleep.
Star Wars made it infinitely more accessable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:12:53 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:12:53 AM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Oct 11, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4
Hopefully DRM is either completely gone from the f--king blu-ray disc or it's been updated to work this time around.
I still can't watch the Avatar disc on my PC, it glitches out an hour into the film and then turns off every 30 mins after it.
That's the first time in history I've ever seen a disc do that.....
seriously :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:19:36 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:19:36 AM
The individual components of Star Wars' story and design are nothing new, of course not. Star Wars is built from the ground up out of Flash Gordon matinee serials, adventure comics, mythology, Samurai movies, spaghetti westerns, Kurosawa, Leone. It's the presentation that makes it genuinely groundbreaking. A sword-and-sandals space epic in the future is one thing--a sword-and-sandals space epic in the past? That's something else.
To this day there's nothing like Star Wars. Watch those films (yes, all of them) without the baggage that we've attached to them over the years. They're completely unique, despite the building blocks being drawn from all over. They use the same logic Tarantino applied to his Kill Bill movies (hell, some of the same source material).
And I'm rambling. Groan.
Anyway, Avatar was just fun times.
To this day there's nothing like Star Wars. Watch those films (yes, all of them) without the baggage that we've attached to them over the years. They're completely unique, despite the building blocks being drawn from all over. They use the same logic Tarantino applied to his Kill Bill movies (hell, some of the same source material).
And I'm rambling. Groan.
Anyway, Avatar was just fun times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:23:56 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:23:56 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:19:36 AMI think we just said the same thing. Or you said the thing I meant. Sames!
The individual components of Star Wars' story and design are nothing new, of course not. Star Wars is built from the ground up out of Flash Gordon matinee serials, adventure comics, mythology, Samurai movies, spaghetti westerns, Kurosawa, Leone. It's the presentation that makes it genuinely groundbreaking. A sword-and-sandals space epic in the future is one thing--a sword-and-sandals space epic in the past? That's something else.
To this day there's nothing like Star Wars. Watch those films (yes, all of them) without the baggage that we've attached to them over the years. They're completely unique, despite the building blocks being drawn from all over. They use the same logic Tarantino applied to his Kill Bill movies (hell, some of the same source material).
And I'm rambling. Groan.
Anyway, Avatar was just fun times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:28:11 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:28:11 AM
Ching! We match.
By the way, I'm your biggest fan. Can't help myself.
By the way, I'm your biggest fan. Can't help myself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:31:26 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:31:26 AM
My favorite pagan movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:32:32 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:32:32 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:00 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:00 AM
Sue me again for my beliefs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
I'm lost.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:37:29 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:37:29 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
I'm lost.
About?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:39:07 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:39:07 AM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:37:29 AMPretty much everything after my last post.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
I'm lost.
About?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:40:56 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:40:56 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:39:07 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:37:29 AMPretty much everything after my last post.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:34:14 AM
I'm lost.
About?
I just stated that Avatar is my favorite pagan movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:41:18 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:41:18 AM
..."pagan"? srsly?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AM
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
After that, I'm lost too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Ok. I was expecting that someone would say" get torches and pitchforks."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:02 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:02 AM
Ah, the internet. Truly there is no better courier for sarcasm.
(this is sarcasm but the rest isn't)
(this is sarcasm but the rest isn't)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:42 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:42 AM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AMNah, I'm a Scot, not from ... wherever pagan haters come from :PQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Ok. I was expecting that someone would say" get torches and pitchforks."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:48:09 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:48:09 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:42 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AMNah, I'm a Scot, not from ... wherever pagan haters come from :PQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Ok. I was expecting that someone would say" get torches and pitchforks."
Ok.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:50:32 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:50:32 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:42 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AMNah, I'm a Scot, not from ... wherever pagan haters come from :PQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Ok. I was expecting that someone would say" get torches and pitchforks."
I don't think Presbyterians dig on pagans...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:52:26 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:52:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:50:32 AMQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:47:42 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:46:29 AMNah, I'm a Scot, not from ... wherever pagan haters come from :PQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:44:38 AMNot about the paganism, the 'biggest fan' thing.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 12, 2010, 03:43:50 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 12, 2010, 03:42:53 AMI'm firmly back on track, I thought there was a joke going around there :P
I was attempting to express my genuine gratitude for the work you do on your blog, but due to a combination of sleeplessness and confusion it came out as inane chatter. Imagine me wringing my hands.
After that, I'm lost too.
...
Ok. I was expecting that someone would say" get torches and pitchforks."
I don't think Presbyterians dig on pagans...
Most christians hate me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:54:44 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:54:44 AM
Can't begin to imagine why.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:57:27 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Oct 12, 2010, 03:57:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 03:54:44 AM
Can't begin to imagine why.
Is that an innuendo?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 04:01:30 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 04:01:30 AM
If you like.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Oct 12, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Oct 12, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
And... Let's get back on topic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Oct 12, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Oct 12, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Oct 11, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4
SOLD.
That looks astounding. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 27, 2010, 02:55:11 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 27, 2010, 02:55:11 PM
James Cameron's next movies are Avatar 2 & 3.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/breaking-news-james-camerons-next-films-are-avatar-2-3/
UPDATE 7:20 AM: We just learned that James Cameron is telling Hollywood that Fox made a "huge" donation to his environmental green fund, and in return he committed to making the Avatar sequel and threequel his next films. That also caused him to withdraw from Sony Pictures' Cleopatra with Angelina Jolie, even though he'd told the studio that he'd always wanted to film the Queen Of The Nile's story.
WEDNESDAY 6 AM: With this move, Twentieth Century Fox effectively ties up James Cameron through December 2015, apparently putting a hold on Sony Pictures' hopes for the director to helm a fast-tracked Cleopatra starring Angelina Jolie in 2012:
LOS ANGELES (October 27, 2010) __ Moving forward with the most anticipated films of the next decade, Fox Filmed Entertainment Chairmen Jim Gianopulos and Tom Rothman announced today that Academy Award®-winning filmmaker James Cameron has agreed to make AVATAR 2 and 3 as his next films.
Cameron, who had always viewed AVATAR as the creation of a new world and mythology, will begin work on the scripts early next year with an eye towards commencing production later in 2011. Cameron will decide if he will shoot the films back-to-back after he completes the scripts, but the release of the first, as yet untitled sequel, is targeted for December 2014, with the third film contemplated for a December 2015 release.
AVATAR 2 & 3 will be produced by Cameron and Jon Landau for Cameron's Lightstorm Entertainment.
"AVATAR is not only the highest grossing movie of all time, it is a created universe based on the singular imagination and daring of James Cameron, who also raised the consciousness of people worldwide to some of the greatest issues facing our planet," said Rothman and Gianopulos. "We had no higher priority, and can feel no greater joy, than enabling Jim to continue and expand his vision of the world of AVATAR. This is a great day in the history of our company, and we thank Jim, Jon Landau, Rae Sanchini and all of their team and all of our Fox colleagues throughout the world, who have made this possible."
Commented Cameron: "It is a rare and remarkable opportunity when a filmmaker gets to build a fantasy world, and watch it grow, with the resources and partnership of a global media company. AVATAR was conceived as an epic work of fantasy – a world that audiences could visit, across all media platforms, and this moment marks the launch of the next phase of that world. With two new films on the drawing boards, my company and I are embarking on an epic journey with our partners at Twentieth Century Fox. Our goal is to meet and exceed the global audience's expectations for the richness of AVATAR's visual world and the power of the storytelling. In the second and third films, which will be self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc, we will not back off the throttle of AVATAR's visual and emotional horsepower, and will continue to explore its themes and characters, which touched the hearts of audiences in all cultures around the world. I'm looking forward to returning to Pandora, a world where our imaginations can run wild."
"It is very exciting to be teaming again with our partners at Fox to give audiences the opportunity to return to Pandora," said producer Jon Landau. "With the first movie, Jim only scratched the surface of the stories he wants to tell and the creatures and world he wants to create. Now we will continue his vision."
AVATAR is the highest grossing film of all time, taking in nearly $2.8 billion in worldwide box office. It is also the top-selling Blu-ray disc of all time. AVATAR won Golden Globe® awards for Best Motion Picture and Best Director; and was nominated for nine Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director, and won Oscars for art direction, visual effects and cinematography.
AVATAR was written by Cameron from an idea he nurtured for over a decade, while working on the technology necessary to realize its wholly imagined world. Working with Joe Letteri and his team at Peter Jackson's WETA Digital, Cameron created a fully immersive 3D cinematic experience of a new kind, where revolutionary technology that was invented to make the film disappeared into the emotion of the characters and the epic nature of the story.
AVATAR 2 & 3 will mark Cameron's latest collaborations with Twentieth Century Fox, a relationship that spans 25 years and marks one of the most successful filmmaker-studio alliances in motion picture history. Cameron and Fox first joined forces in 1985 for Aliens, which became a sci-fi classic. Next came The Abyss, which revolutionized visual effects technology; and True Lies, a blockbuster starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. In 1996, Fox greenlighted Cameron's Titanic, which became the most successful film in history, and won a record-breaking eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture.
Lightstorm partner Rae Sanchini negotiated the deal on Lightstorm's behalf.
And since Arnold Schwarzenegger is in talks about Cameron's next project, I guess we will see him in Avatar 2.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/breaking-news-james-camerons-next-films-are-avatar-2-3/
UPDATE 7:20 AM: We just learned that James Cameron is telling Hollywood that Fox made a "huge" donation to his environmental green fund, and in return he committed to making the Avatar sequel and threequel his next films. That also caused him to withdraw from Sony Pictures' Cleopatra with Angelina Jolie, even though he'd told the studio that he'd always wanted to film the Queen Of The Nile's story.
WEDNESDAY 6 AM: With this move, Twentieth Century Fox effectively ties up James Cameron through December 2015, apparently putting a hold on Sony Pictures' hopes for the director to helm a fast-tracked Cleopatra starring Angelina Jolie in 2012:
LOS ANGELES (October 27, 2010) __ Moving forward with the most anticipated films of the next decade, Fox Filmed Entertainment Chairmen Jim Gianopulos and Tom Rothman announced today that Academy Award®-winning filmmaker James Cameron has agreed to make AVATAR 2 and 3 as his next films.
Cameron, who had always viewed AVATAR as the creation of a new world and mythology, will begin work on the scripts early next year with an eye towards commencing production later in 2011. Cameron will decide if he will shoot the films back-to-back after he completes the scripts, but the release of the first, as yet untitled sequel, is targeted for December 2014, with the third film contemplated for a December 2015 release.
AVATAR 2 & 3 will be produced by Cameron and Jon Landau for Cameron's Lightstorm Entertainment.
"AVATAR is not only the highest grossing movie of all time, it is a created universe based on the singular imagination and daring of James Cameron, who also raised the consciousness of people worldwide to some of the greatest issues facing our planet," said Rothman and Gianopulos. "We had no higher priority, and can feel no greater joy, than enabling Jim to continue and expand his vision of the world of AVATAR. This is a great day in the history of our company, and we thank Jim, Jon Landau, Rae Sanchini and all of their team and all of our Fox colleagues throughout the world, who have made this possible."
Commented Cameron: "It is a rare and remarkable opportunity when a filmmaker gets to build a fantasy world, and watch it grow, with the resources and partnership of a global media company. AVATAR was conceived as an epic work of fantasy – a world that audiences could visit, across all media platforms, and this moment marks the launch of the next phase of that world. With two new films on the drawing boards, my company and I are embarking on an epic journey with our partners at Twentieth Century Fox. Our goal is to meet and exceed the global audience's expectations for the richness of AVATAR's visual world and the power of the storytelling. In the second and third films, which will be self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc, we will not back off the throttle of AVATAR's visual and emotional horsepower, and will continue to explore its themes and characters, which touched the hearts of audiences in all cultures around the world. I'm looking forward to returning to Pandora, a world where our imaginations can run wild."
"It is very exciting to be teaming again with our partners at Fox to give audiences the opportunity to return to Pandora," said producer Jon Landau. "With the first movie, Jim only scratched the surface of the stories he wants to tell and the creatures and world he wants to create. Now we will continue his vision."
AVATAR is the highest grossing film of all time, taking in nearly $2.8 billion in worldwide box office. It is also the top-selling Blu-ray disc of all time. AVATAR won Golden Globe® awards for Best Motion Picture and Best Director; and was nominated for nine Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director, and won Oscars for art direction, visual effects and cinematography.
AVATAR was written by Cameron from an idea he nurtured for over a decade, while working on the technology necessary to realize its wholly imagined world. Working with Joe Letteri and his team at Peter Jackson's WETA Digital, Cameron created a fully immersive 3D cinematic experience of a new kind, where revolutionary technology that was invented to make the film disappeared into the emotion of the characters and the epic nature of the story.
AVATAR 2 & 3 will mark Cameron's latest collaborations with Twentieth Century Fox, a relationship that spans 25 years and marks one of the most successful filmmaker-studio alliances in motion picture history. Cameron and Fox first joined forces in 1985 for Aliens, which became a sci-fi classic. Next came The Abyss, which revolutionized visual effects technology; and True Lies, a blockbuster starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. In 1996, Fox greenlighted Cameron's Titanic, which became the most successful film in history, and won a record-breaking eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture.
Lightstorm partner Rae Sanchini negotiated the deal on Lightstorm's behalf.
And since Arnold Schwarzenegger is in talks about Cameron's next project, I guess we will see him in Avatar 2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
As Quaritch's brother? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 27, 2010, 03:26:16 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 27, 2010, 03:26:16 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
As Quaritch's brother? :P
i put money on him being a Na'Vi from a different more austrian inspired (perhaps vikings? :D j/k) tribe
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:28:08 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:28:08 PM
Viking Na'vi?
Only with a Moorwen, of course.
Only with a Moorwen, of course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 27, 2010, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 27, 2010, 03:28:45 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:28:08 PM
Viking Na'vi?
Only with a Moorwen, of course.
oh yeah it goes without saying :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Oct 27, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
Post by: First Blood on Oct 27, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 27, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
As Quaritch's brother? :P
Haha! I was just thinking of that! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 27, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 27, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
I'd rather have him playing an ultra-badass general who leads the human "revenge" army.
Kind of a super-Quaritch. :D
Kind of a super-Quaritch. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 27, 2010, 04:44:47 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 27, 2010, 04:44:47 PM
QuoteAvatar 2 & 3 Officially a GO Project!http://www.ugo.com/movies/avatar-2-and-3-james-cameron-release-dates-announced
Cameron will direct two sequels back-to-back, first to be released in 2014.
This being the 25th anniversary of Back to the Future, it's appropriate that we now know exactly what movie Marty McFly would have watched when he travelled to 2015: Avatar 3!
James Cameron and Fox have officially announced that he will direct Avatar 2 & 3 back-to-back, and that they will be released in 2014 and 2015, respectively.
In his statement to THR, Cameron said, "In the second and third films, which will be self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc, we will not back off the throttle of Avatar's visual and emotional horsepower, and will continue to explore its themes and characters, which touched the hearts of audiences in all cultures around the world. I'm looking forward to returning to Pandora, a world where our imaginations can run wild."
No word yet on whether Cameron plans to integrate 4-D this time around, where audiences actually get shot with N'avi arrows and join their hair braid with Jake's.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Oct 27, 2010, 08:28:57 PM
Post by: PredalienXenomorph on Oct 27, 2010, 08:28:57 PM
Oh my god....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
I loved Avatar, but I'm not so sure about a trilogy...
I wish I didn't already buy it, because the new edition looks great!
I wish I didn't already buy it, because the new edition looks great!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 27, 2010, 09:21:11 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 27, 2010, 09:21:11 PM
James Cameron is great when it comes to sequels, so I have high hopes that Avatar 2 & 3 will be great. Looks like we have to wait for BBA in 2017 or 2018.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 27, 2010, 11:03:44 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 27, 2010, 11:03:44 PM
Here's hoping it's better than the first one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
I have no reason to believe they will any more inspired than the first. It'll be interesting to see how many movies Jimbo rips off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Oct 28, 2010, 04:18:29 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Oct 28, 2010, 04:18:29 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2010, 12:48:21 AMAnd books.
It'll be interesting to see how many movies Jimbo rips off.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 04:48:46 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 04:48:46 AM
Either the sequel will have a story that will match the visuals - or it'll be the second and third Matrix flicks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: bleau on Oct 28, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
Post by: bleau on Oct 28, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
I really wished they wouldn't make a sequel. Another 5 or more years till that comes out, witch I don't get. I heard JC say that all the animation is done from the first movie, so they wouldn't have to do as much. So technically it should not take more then 3 years at the most.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 06:47:05 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 06:47:05 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
It'll be interesting to see how many movies Jimbo rips off.
I hope you dont have a double standard and youre equally hung up on Obannon and Scott for "ripping off" Van Vogt. I for one, dont recall any movie set in a distant planet with the classic Pocahontas story with mechs and blue aliens. Classic stories/myths are simple, straight forward and with good values. Im surprised by the lack of recognition for classic literature and timeless old stories, especially since were not getting much of them for the past decades. Besides, James has always been very open about Avatar being a classic familiar story but in a new setting, even before the movie was released. It was never a secret what it was
JC before the release: "I wanted to create a familiar type of adventure in an unfamiliar environment by setting the classic tale of a newcomer to a foreign land and culture in an alien planet. The story is by design classic in its broad strokes"
And after: ""I think that part of myth is familiarity. Myth has to feel like it has roots in prior arc going back through traditions of storytelling and going back way far. People that uh, its always amusing when they say 'wow, its just Dances With Wolves'. Yeah because Dances With Wolves took place on another planet where people projected their consciousness to other bodies that were 10 ft tall and blue , its like. We intentionally wanted to use familiar touchstones of storytelling that were historical and reflect them through a lens from the future. "
Neville Page: It's a classic, classic story. "Avatar" has the best of both, a very familiar story and a very unique vision behind it."
Someone once said that if you put vodka, apple sour and melon mix together you get an Apple Martini. All of those ingredients preexisted the drink but they were never together. Avatar (and any other movie for that matter) is just that. We have seen the story before (Pocahontas, Dances With Wolves, Total Recall) and we have seen the concept or streaming consciousness before (Matrix), but never the 2 together. And besides, all of the classics derive or simply adapt other older stories, like Alien for example.
Ill quote an article which defended ALIEN from the same misguided criticism:
Unfortunately, when people use the word "influence" when talking about popular media it often has a negative connotation. Why say influenced or inspired when you really mean ripped off, and to confuse things even further, I'm not really sure where the line is when it stops being a rip-off and becomes a homage. But just as George Lucas was inspired by the likes of Alex Raymond and Akira Kurwasawa, O'Bannon, just coming off Dark Star, cherry-picked several key elements from several sources, put them in a blender, and ended up with one of the scariest movies ever made. Some could argue that isn't that what the creative process is? Taking what you've experienced, seen and heard, and make them your own? We'll give that a qualified "yes"
Just for those who might not know, here are 2 stories that may sound familiar
Discord in Scarlet
In Discord in Scarlet, the crew runs afoul of another ancient alien: the Ixtl, a vicious insect-like creature that had been free-floating in the vacuum of space since the Big Bang. Once brought on board, the creature revives and escapes. Hiding in the ship's air-shafts, the Ixtl abducts several crewmembers, who serve as hosts when it implants its parasitic eggs inside them. The creature buzzsaws through a good chunk of the crew until, once again, nexialist ingenuity tricks it into vacating the ship, which then warps away, leaving the monster stranded in deep space again
-A lawsuit by A.E. van Vogt, claiming plagiarism of his 1939 story "Discord in Scarlet" (which he had also incorporated in the 1950 novel "Voyage of the Space Beagle"), was settled out of court.
Then there's of course The Black Destroyer (crew picks up a creature from ancient ruins in a distant planet, it kills them one by one and then gets jettisoned into space) and It Terror from Beyond Space ( claustrophobic tale of a small crew trapped on a spaceship, facing an indestructible creature that randomly picks them off and violently dispatches them)
People tend to forget that whatever the original material, its not gonna be the same as the material that borrows from it. Again, I dont like the original movie that Alien was based on but I love the Alien. Damn those who condemn influences just because theyre influences and been done before. Who cares if it has been done before, it hasnt been done before in THIS way and apparently THIS way is what everyone prefers. That defense from me goes towards Alien and Avatar
Also, people tend to ommit the fact that openly mentioning influences is not ripping off
I was actually selling the movie as Dances With Wolves in space and thats how I got my coworkers into theaters. After all, it is a classic and great story, and if someone ascifi fan, seeing the same story but in a scifi environment is just 10X the experience
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:10:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:10:54 AM
At least Alien did something new with the plot in places. You couldn't predict everything that was going to happen ten minutes on with 100% accuracy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:16:35 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:16:35 AM
Actually I didnt predict anything in Avatar. Knowing how Cameron often kills off his characters I expected Neytiri or Jake to die, especially after Titanic. I didnt know which one will die and I think he was playing off of it and didnt actually kill any of them. And besides, in Alien, the creature was still ejected into space, no changes there either
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:26:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:26:53 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:16:35 AMThen I have no further comments.
Actually I didnt predict anything in Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 07:29:53 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 07:29:53 AM
AVATAR is predictable yawn blah. The people who don't like it are more predictable than the film. Move on please.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
I can say the same about the people who excuse its laziness.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:56:17 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:56:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
I can say the same about the people who excuse its laziness.
I dont see laziness in repeating the classic story with a new fresh setting and a new take. Dances With Wolves is a great classic. Im happy it was "lazy" enough to repeat the already used story. Predictable or not, it was engaging emotionally and very interesting with good score, same goes for Avatar. Alien is one of my favorite movies and a scifi classic, Im also happy it was lazy enough to repeat the same old story right down to the ending. No one cried when Dances and Wolves came out that it's Pocahontas. No one cried when Last Samurai came out that it's Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves, yet people get crazy over the idea that Avatar is like Pocahontas and Dances, even tho it was always announced (unlike with its predecessors) to be a FAMILIAR, CLASSIC, OLD story in a new scifi setting, and puts a much bigger and different spin on this story than any other incarnation. I smell bias, especially since that criticism comes surprisingly from those who have a history of relentlessly having a low opinion on the director
My complaint about Avatar was that it dragged in the middle and didnt connect emotionally as much as some of the previous takes on the story, which was very surprising to me knowing Cameron's skills in this area. I went in expecting and promising others that we'll all cry like little kids yet I didnt shed a tear. Still, it was a breath of fresh air to have a Disney-ish simple story since we dont get big adventure movies today anymore. Great score and tense action helped too
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 09:53:02 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AMExcept you don't have to come into this thread and see it. And laziness would be subjective. Many prior movies and novels could be construed as 'lazy' simply because they amalgamate other prior sources. Shit, Shakespeare took The Iliad and added two characters for Troilus and Cressida; Romeo and Juliet has many, many literary and oral forebearers. That lazy Elizabethan! King Lear too, [so much so that for three hundred years stage adaptions of Lear done away with Shakespeare's grim ending and had everyone live - the result was that it was not so different from its predecessors aside from the parallel story of Glouchester, which I suppose you would criticise as simply being Lear in rags]. Putting aside whether Cameron succeeded or not in making his movie interesting to you [and that his visual language, however bombastic, shiny, or entertaining, is no equivalent to Shakespeare's written word - but let's do away with the dressing and focus on the plot elements], then what he did by taking other sources and melding them together is nothing out of the ordinary [Star Wars and Alien have already been brought up].
I can say the same about the people who excuse its laziness.
People can have constructive conversations about this movie and its sequels but I see no evolution in the arguments of its detractors. You're starting to waste your time, [I try to keep out of AVP/AVPR/AR bashing because of this, whenever I can].
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 10:28:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 10:28:37 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:56:17 AMI'm not talking the overall storyline. I'm talking every major plotpoint being obvious ten minutes beforehand. I'm talking doing absolutely nothing new with the plot besides dress it up differently. I'm talking never once surprising me, never once setting up one thing and then doing another. I'm talking doing everything you're told not to do in a creative writing class and being Oscar nominated for it.
I dont see laziness in repeating the classic story with a new fresh setting and a new take.
Because it's such a classic plot there are beats that you expect -- and Avatar hits every one of them. And that's boring. District 9 has the exact overall classic plotline, but does it in a new and inventive and surprising way. It isn't the paint-by-number adventure of Avatar. Its elements aren't even any more original, but their arrangement either goes against our expectations or develops them in interesting ways.
I'm fine with classic plotlines. That's not my issue. My issue is not even trying to do anything with the plot and putting all the effort into literally dressing it differently.
QuoteMy complaint about Avatar was that it dragged in the middle and didnt connect emotionally as much as some of the previous takes on the story, which was very surprising to me knowing Cameron's skills in this area.Cameron movies always drag in the middle. It's his thing.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 09:53:02 AMYou don't have to read my posts, either.
Except you don't have to come into this thread and see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenodog on Oct 28, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Post by: Xenodog on Oct 28, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
I agree with SiL on his points. ^
Though, uh, if were somewhat "Avatar bashing" then a main flaw I found was in-consistency. Quaritch yapped on about carbon fiber bones and how hard they were to kill, then the final battle?
Yeah, really hard to kill. ::) What were they using before? Nasty-looking rocks?
I also just didn't but the whole peaceful, innocent race thing. I'm sorry, but just look at them in the final battle! I'm pretty sure Anytime had more sympathy than that! They're so blatantly enjoying the violence!
Though, uh, if were somewhat "Avatar bashing" then a main flaw I found was in-consistency. Quaritch yapped on about carbon fiber bones and how hard they were to kill, then the final battle?
Yeah, really hard to kill. ::) What were they using before? Nasty-looking rocks?
I also just didn't but the whole peaceful, innocent race thing. I'm sorry, but just look at them in the final battle! I'm pretty sure Anytime had more sympathy than that! They're so blatantly enjoying the violence!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
QuoteYou don't have to read my posts, either.Yet you're the author writing of your annoyance. You in this thread > you being annoyed > posting > revisiting this thread > reposting > ad infinitum. See where the root of this problem lies?
Perhaps I'll just take your advice and ignore the same reheated posts, but that brings me back to you're starting to waste your time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 10:47:21 AMYes, because this is a discussion board.
Yet you're the author writing of your annoyance.
For discussing. Positively or negatively.
QuotePerhaps I'll just take your advice and ignore the same reheated posts, but that brings me back to you're starting to waste your time.Who isn't here?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 01:01:41 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 01:01:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 11:51:46 AMAgain, ad infinituum. I'm sure you're not impressed by endless 'Lambert rape' or 'Alien 3 magic egg' threads or constant, reiterated null comments.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 10:47:21 AMYes, because this is a discussion board.
Yet you're the author writing of your annoyance.
For discussing. Positively or negatively.
QuoteWho isn't here?I'm not, a lot of people here have constructive conversations. I'm sure you're capable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2010, 10:28:37 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 07:56:17 AMI'm not talking the overall storyline. I'm talking every major plotpoint being obvious ten minutes beforehand. I'm talking doing absolutely nothing new with the plot besides dress it up differently. .
I dont see laziness in repeating the classic story with a new fresh setting and a new take.
And why would someone change the story? When we have new versions of Pocahontas they dont change anything. Why fix something that aint broke and became a timeless classic? Cameron wanted this story but in a new exciting setting. Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai didnt touch it either, just "dressed it up differently" too. And District 9 isnt really the same thing - no one went to the other side for a girl who was engaged to someone else, no one became one of the aliens through tests and comraderie and there wasnt a big epic battle at the end between 2 races. Dances didnt even change setting much (Im not cirticizing it at all, its a brilliant movie), Last Samurai only changed it to Asia, yet Avatar had the most original take on the story placing it on another planet with big blue aliens , dragons and mechs
QuoteCameron movies always drag in the middle. It's his thing.
I disagree. They change pacing but I would never cut anything thats there. Terminator never slows down really. Only briefly for the connecting of Reese and Sarah. For Aliens it was building tension, as Rotten Tomatoes called it, "Cameron's genius here lies in manipulating the tension, beautifully structuring the switches from build-up, to carnage, to unbearable waiting, to action", plus its a part horror so quiet and building tension is required, and the characters are constantly trapped and in danger. Abyss was a claustrophobic thriller which also never released a grip. T2 slowed down in the middle to focus even more on the themes and the emotional and psychological side of Sarah and her relation to her son, True Lies I dont like so I wont comment on it and Titanic constantly progressed the plot showing more and more obstacles for Jack and Rose in their lives without resulting to action. With Avatar, I understand they wanted to show Jake spending time with Navi to built that emotional connection but it didnt work for me really. I think Dances was much more successfull on the emotional side, and I would cut out the whole climbing to the Ikran's nest because it was the first ever moment where I was geting bored during Cameron's movie. Some people told me "youre wrong, at least there was plenty to look at" but Im sorry but I dont care and never cared one tiny bit about special effects. The designs of course also have no bearing on the story and its emotional connection. Not to mention that Im a city person and never liked wild nature, and even tho the designs are stunnigly realistic and biologically accurate, I would prefer Cameron to design them himself since he did wonders with Terminator endoskeleton and the Queen
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 28, 2010, 05:34:18 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Oct 28, 2010, 05:34:18 PM
My major problem with Avatar is its lack of subtlety. There is none of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 06:21:27 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 06:21:27 PM
I think deliberately aiming it at kids defanged a lot of it for me, and the middle section and drag before the final battle was a "skip to the end" moment. It felt like a cop-out how Jake managed to tame that beast so easily and was suddenly accepted by everyone. But y'know, Star Wars and small port holes and all. It's more fantasy than the hard ass sci-fi [Alien, Blade Runner, The Terminator, District 9] which I prefer, but I take it into account.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 10:52:43 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 10:52:43 PM
QuotePerhaps I'll just take your advice and ignore the same reheated posts, but that brings me back to you're starting to waste your time.
But of course StrangeShape endlessly posting the same theses over and over defending not only Avatar but Jimbo entire back catalogue are not a waste of time.
At all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 10:52:43 PMIt wouldn't be necessary in the first place if ... I'm sure you geddit.QuotePerhaps I'll just take your advice and ignore the same reheated posts, but that brings me back to you're starting to waste your time.
But of course StrangeShape endlessly posting the same theses over and over defending not only Avatar but Jimbo entire back catalogue are not a waste of time.
At all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:14:09 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 10:52:43 PMQuotePerhaps I'll just take your advice and ignore the same reheated posts, but that brings me back to you're starting to waste your time.
But of course StrangeShape endlessly posting the same theses over and over defending not only Avatar but Jimbo entire back catalogue are not a waste of time.
At all.
Because the arguments are not adressed and people repeat the same criticism I refuted ignoring the answers. And Im not defending the entire catalog, I dont like true Lies and think Abyss is fine but not more. I also pointed out what didnt work for me in Avatar, so if youre suggesting that Im blindly defending Cameron movies just because of the link in my signature, Im very sorry to hear that. SM, I thought we already explained to each other those things and are on a friendly path. Ironically I just praised you today on another forum for being the most knowledgeable and one of the very few unbiased fans online
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:17:20 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:17:20 PM
Tangle with SiL, and SM will bite yer ass off. Sorry, but if they don't like something - snide comments. If they like something and you don't - snide comments. I've yet to see a friendly, constructive conversation. Or even just constructive. I've fought with OmegaZilla passionately over things but the guy couldn't be more polite to me. I'm done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
Saucer of milk, table 2.
"Snide" enough for you?
They're not ignored - people just don't find them to hold much water.
And interesting that you bring up bias and irony...
I do geddit - it wouldn't be necessary if we all agreed that Avatar was the bestest thing ever.
"Snide" enough for you?
QuoteBecause the arguments are not adressed and people repeat the same criticism I refuted ignoring the answers.
They're not ignored - people just don't find them to hold much water.
And interesting that you bring up bias and irony...
QuoteIt wouldn't be necessary in the first place if ... I'm sure you geddit.
I do geddit - it wouldn't be necessary if we all agreed that Avatar was the bestest thing ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 28, 2010, 11:21:20 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 28, 2010, 11:21:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:19:08 PMGot more? Aren't you like ... 30? The kids here act more grown up than you.
Saucer of milk, table 2.
"Snide" enough for you?
QuoteI do geddit - it wouldn't be necessary if we all agreed that Avatar was the bestest thing ever.You're right! Because I just pointed out how flawless Avatar is a couple of posts ago, and I'm not saying at all that the hundredth "AVATAR SUX" post is predictable instead. LOLZERS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:17:20 PM
I'm done.
Ah, they always come back.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
Only when prodded.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:27:37 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:27:37 PM
And not even prodded terribly hard, it would seem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
They're not ignored - people just don't find them to hold much water.
How not? Alien is in the same category when it comes to repeating story, but with new feel and setting made something more exciting than its predecessors. Same goes for Avatar that took the old fashioned story and placed it in scifi environment. I think its cherry picking to hang on one and ignore all the other films doing the same thing, especially since Avatar was always announced for what it was. Like I said, I dont care for Black Destroyer or Discord in Scarlet but love Alien. I dont care for The Last Samurai but enjoy Avatar. Dont care if they repeated others' stories at all
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
QuoteHow not?
It's been explained a zillion times "how not". Who's ignoring the answers now?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:34:37 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 28, 2010, 11:34:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:27:37 PMI'm grumpy, it's the time of day/night. Anyway, I'm sticking to what I said -- "Avatar sucks/is a rip-off" comments are as predictable as Avatar itself and really don't need reiterated every page by the same person: let's talk about something else now. And I've never went easy on Avatar or wanted it claimed as the best thing ever or whatever; you can see for yourself at the top of the page. It's heavily faulted, though some elements can be taken with a pinch. No need to get so riled up over a movie because it was Oscar nominated [do you really care about the opinion of the Oscars committee? Really?]
And not even prodded terribly hard, it would seem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2010, 11:33:36 PMQuoteHow not?
It's been explained a zillion times "how not". Who's ignoring the answers now?
The answer I got is that it was predictable. yes, more predictable because people were much more familiar with the story of an outsider falling in love with a person from another culture than with Discord in Scarlet. If people would know DIS the same ones would complain that they knew the entire story before they saw the movie. But some people talk about simple and classic story like its a bad thing. Im perfectly fine if one doesnt like it but for personal preference, not because its a classic story that he knows, for me its a silly argument. Or that its simple. Simple or complex are types of story, not qualities.Avatar is a big and simple adventure movie and its criticism is that its not some psychological dark scifi techno thriller. Its not that type of a story and was never intended to be. It leans towards Disney more.
My point is that its criticized in the wrong area. Like criticizing Halloween for being a scary slasher movie
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 12:10:20 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 12:10:20 AM
Of course it leans towards Disney, bleh.... For f**k's sakes, the only reason people cry over the poor Na'vi losing their homes is because Jimbo took cues from Disney on how to make his blue smurfy cats cutesy-looking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2010, 12:46:35 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2010, 12:46:35 AM
QuoteThe answer I got is that it was predictable. yes, more predictable because people were much more familiar with the story of an outsider falling in love with a person from another culture than with Discord in Scarlet.
Such are the pitfalls of copying something that's well known, and not making any real attempt to hide it.
QuoteAvatar is a big and simple adventure movie and its criticism is that its not some psychological dark scifi techno thriller.
Don't recall anyone round here making that criticism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 01:29:22 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 01:29:22 AM
And lets leave it as that. I dont want to have any arguments here with anyone, especially not over an off topic movie
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 01:33:11 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 01:33:11 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Avatar is a big and simple adventure movie and its criticism is that its not some psychological dark scifi techno thriller. Its not that type of a story and was never intended to be. It leans towards Disney more.
Who ever said it was supposed to be? The problem with the movie lies in the fact that it's not inspired in any way whatsoever. D9 wasn't a dark, sci-fi techno thriller but it's the better movie because it told a similar story in a much better fashion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 03:58:48 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 03:58:48 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 01:33:11 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Avatar is a big and simple adventure movie and its criticism is that its not some psychological dark scifi techno thriller. Its not that type of a story and was never intended to be. It leans towards Disney more.
Who ever said it was supposed to be?
Cameron. Before and after the release
Before: "I wanted to create a familiar type of adventure in an unfamiliar environment by setting the classic tale of a newcomer to a foreign land and culture in an alien planet. The story is by design classic in its broad strokes. It's an emotional epic."
After: I wanted the surface layer to be very simple and clear. I think there is a difference between stupidity and cliché on the one hand and clarity and archetype on the other hand. I wanted [the audience] to be firmly located, knowing what type of story they're watching, and they I felt that these thematic layers with that would work as a countermelody to that. It's a very simple, clear, primary melody.
"I think that part of myth is familiarity. Myth has to feel like it has roots in prior arc going back through traditions of storytelling and going back way far. (...) We intentionally wanted to use familiar touchstones of storytelling that were historical and reflect them through a lens from the future. "
GB: There's also maybe some heritage linking it to "Dances With Wolves," considering your story here of a battered military man who finds something pure in an endangered tribal culture.
JC: Yes, exactly, it is very much like that. You see the same theme in "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" and also "The Emerald Forest," which maybe thematically isn't that connected but it did have that clash of civilizations or of cultures. That was another reference point for me. There was some beautiful stuff in that film. And I think returning to classic tales is a powerful thing.
And also people who worked on the film (all quotes from before the release)
Neville Page, creature designer: "There can be parallels drawn to any love story. It's who can tell it better, with more compelling imagery. That's definitely what Jim has done here. People are going to get it. Much like "Titanic." Was that a unique story, if you're not talking about the ship? No, not even close. It's "Romeo and Juliet." It's a classic, classic story. "Avatar" has the best of both, a very familiar story and a very unique vision behind it."
Weaver: "The story is actually a wonderful, old-fashioned, epic adventure"
Zoe Saldana: "It's a film about the future but the essential story is very simple
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2010, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 29, 2010, 04:04:00 AM
QuoteCameron. Before and after the release
Erm.. I believe Doom was asking "Who ever said it was supposed to be a psychological dark scifi techno thriller?"
As was I.
It's hardly a criticism against Avatar, if no one's actually levelled that criticism at it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 04:26:03 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2010, 04:26:03 AM
Ah, my bad. Alright then. I hope we can finally finish on that then
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:24:23 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 28, 2010, 05:09:51 PMBecause otherwise no-one makes anything new to become a timeless classic and we all end up watching variations on the same movie.
Why fix something that aint broke and became a timeless classic?
QuoteCameron wanted this story but in a new exciting setting. Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai didnt touch it either, just "dressed it up differently" too.You've seen me defend those movies where?
QuoteAnd District 9 isnt really the same thing - no one went to the other side for a girl who was engaged to someone else, no one became one of the aliens through tests and comraderie and there wasnt a big epic battle at the end between 2 races.What movie am I talking about -- Guy from imperialistic group A aids in the oppression of more simple, seemingly primitive group B, but events transpire to force the man to cohabit with the oppressed, coming to learn to respect and honour their ways and even put himself in great danger to defend them against his former affiliates.
QuoteFor Aliens it was building tension, as Rotten Tomatoes called it, "Cameron's genius here lies in manipulating the tension, beautifully structuring the switches from build-up, to carnage, to unbearable waiting, to action", plus its a part horror so quiet and building tension is required, and the characters are constantly trapped and in danger.The only reason I find the waiting unbearable is because I'm supposed to be watching an action movie, and I've had exactly one mildly action-like scene in the last 80 minutes.
QuoteAbyss was a claustrophobic thriller which also never released a grip.Whereas I might say it never moved fast enough at any point to be able to drag.
QuoteTrue Lies I dont like so I wont comment on itum what
Quoteand Titanic constantly progressed the plot showing more and more obstacles for Jack and Rose in their lives without resulting to action.See my response to The Abyss.
EDIT
As for the emotional side of things -- I watch ]Wall-E the same day I saw Avatar. I cared more about the romance between a sentient pair of binoculars and a flying, talking dildo than I did about any of the relationships in Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 02:20:48 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:24:23 AMI didn't buy the love story at all. The characters don't like each other for any other reason than they're supposed to. Neytiri making up with Jake because he has a bigger
As for the emotional side of things -- I watch ]Wall-E the same day I saw Avatar. I cared more about the romance between a sentient pair of binoculars and a flying, talking dildo than I did about any of the relationships in Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 29, 2010, 02:32:22 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Oct 29, 2010, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 02:20:48 PMQuote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:24:23 AMI didn't buy the love story at all. The characters don't like each other for any other reason than they're supposed to. Neytiri making up with Jake because he has a bigger
As for the emotional side of things -- I watch ]Wall-E the same day I saw Avatar. I cared more about the romance between a sentient pair of binoculars and a flying, talking dildo than I did about any of the relationships in Avatar.carflying beast than anyone else got to me. Breaking her clan's tradition of pre-arranged relationships seemed whimsical too. I'm hoping the sequels are more complex. Titanic had a class divide and some struggle for the couple to go through, Avatar, not really. Nothing substantial. In Star Wars, I get a sense of why Leia falls for Han Solo, but Jake and Neytiri - none. [Though I think ROTJ wimped out on any relationship choices by making Leia Luke's sister].
it was just the whole "the hero always gets the girl" "breaking of an arranged marriage for love" etc
the way i see it Avatar is just a big disney movie and i enjoy it in the same way i enjoy disney movies
my only real complaint is that it lacked any real comic releif :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Oct 29, 2010, 02:32:22 PMSame, I mean, I actually enjoyed Disney's Hercules, even though nothing in it is true to the original myths. Ditto for Troy in comparison to The Iliad.Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 02:20:48 PMQuote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:24:23 AMI didn't buy the love story at all. The characters don't like each other for any other reason than they're supposed to. Neytiri making up with Jake because he has a bigger
As for the emotional side of things -- I watch ]Wall-E the same day I saw Avatar. I cared more about the romance between a sentient pair of binoculars and a flying, talking dildo than I did about any of the relationships in Avatar.carflying beast than anyone else got to me. Breaking her clan's tradition of pre-arranged relationships seemed whimsical too. I'm hoping the sequels are more complex. Titanic had a class divide and some struggle for the couple to go through, Avatar, not really. Nothing substantial. In Star Wars, I get a sense of why Leia falls for Han Solo, but Jake and Neytiri - none. [Though I think ROTJ wimped out on any relationship choices by making Leia Luke's sister].
it was just the whole "the hero always gets the girl" "breaking of an arranged marriage for love" etc
the way i see it Avatar is just a big disney movie and i enjoy it in the same way i enjoy disney movies
my only real complaint is that it lacked any real comic releif :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Gazz on Oct 29, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
Post by: Gazz on Oct 29, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
Same, I mean, I actually enjoyed Disney's Hercules,
Me too.
Little off topic but I was actually in an Ad for Disney's Hercules. It was one of those ad's where it looks like they just caught people walking out of the cinema and asked for their opinion. Fake vox pops. Quite the experience ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:57:11 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 29, 2010, 02:20:48 PMAnd this is the kind of stuff I mean when I talk about lazy writing. Cameron doesn't even try to make us care, it just happens because that's what happens in this kind of story.
I didn't buy the love story at all. The characters don't like each other for any other reason than they're supposed to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 30, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 30, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
So I wonder what people liked about Avatar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2010, 12:28:22 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2010, 12:28:22 AM
Ooh, pretty!
That's all I can think of.
Actually, I kinda liked the colonel guy (can never remember the name); he was just so over-the-top and cliche that I couldn't help it. He was like Michael Ironside.
That's all I can think of.
Actually, I kinda liked the colonel guy (can never remember the name); he was just so over-the-top and cliche that I couldn't help it. He was like Michael Ironside.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Oct 30, 2010, 01:13:18 AM
Post by: First Blood on Oct 30, 2010, 01:13:18 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 30, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
So I wonder what people liked about Avatar?
Quarich was scene chewing cliche bad guy and I wanted him to win.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
The scene where he went outside without a mask, just to take a few shots at Jake and the rest of the gang as they were escaping was pretty badass. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:29 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:29 AM
Thought the final battle was fairly spectacular.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 01:20:24 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 01:20:24 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:29 AM
Thought the final battle was fairly spectacular.
This. There aren't many who can choreograph a badass fight scene as well as Jim Cameron can. Debatable, like everything to do with the guy, but he gets me going.
That and Zoe Saldana. Oh Zoe...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:28:40 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:28:40 AM
My main problem with the final battle was the cheesy music they played when the rhinos (can't remember what they were called) attacked. That ruined the whole scene for me. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:36:07 AM
Post by: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:36:07 AM
Was that the bit when Zoe starts going on about how the planet really did hear Jake asking the tree for help?
Because I remember that irking me briefly. :D
Because I remember that irking me briefly. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:51:35 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:51:35 AM
Yeap, that sounds about right. :)
The part of the battle that took place up in the air was pretty cool though.
The part of the battle that took place up in the air was pretty cool though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 30, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 30, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 30, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
So I wonder what people liked about Avatar?
Definitely the score. Thats the first thing that comes to my mind, the score is fantastic and I listen to it very often. Also, the final battle in Avatar is mind blowing. The tense action in conjunction with the great operatic track "war" is just really something. I like Jake's "kid at heart" character and the designs of the AMP suits too
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 30, 2010, 12:50:33 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 30, 2010, 12:50:33 PM
The look of the film, some of the music [the most memorable was the Two Steps From Hell song in the trailer ... or maybe it appeared in the movie?] The CG certainly was something to behold, and the 3D didn't throw things at my face. I liked Quaritch very much, the final battle was great, it was simple enough to watch, and I liked Sam W in it, as well as Weaver in a non-Ripley/Ghostbusters role.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2010, 03:00:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2010, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Oct 30, 2010, 01:17:29 AM
Thought the final battle was fairly spectacular.
That was the only part of the film I enjoyed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 30, 2010, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 30, 2010, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 30, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
So I wonder what people liked about Avatar?
The visuals, the setting, and the finall battle. I did like Jake as well since I think he was a pretty good character, and I hear he has more back story in the director's cut.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 30, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 30, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 01:20:24 AMFix'd. :P
That and Michelle Rodriguez. Oh Michelle...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 07:05:31 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 30, 2010, 07:03:41 PMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 01:20:24 AMFix'd. :P
That and Michelle Rodriguez. Oh Michelle...
Well played.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Razz on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:43 PM
Post by: Razz on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 30, 2010, 07:03:41 PMIs it too much to ask for both? :PQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 01:20:24 AMFix'd. :P
That and Michelle Rodriguez. Oh Michelle...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Oct 30, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenodog on Oct 30, 2010, 08:15:12 PM
Post by: Xenodog on Oct 30, 2010, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Oct 30, 2010, 01:28:40 AM
My main problem with the final battle was the cheesy music they played when the rhinos (can't remember what they were called) attacked. That ruined the whole scene for me. :-\
That!
It was just so...eeuurggaahhhh! It truly epitomized the overall childish-ness of "the good guys always win" thing thats been going on for way too long now.
Cinema is in dire need of more central characters losing and bitter-sweet victories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 30, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 30, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
It was a 'Han saves the day' moment. Maybe the second one will have its Empire ending.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 31, 2010, 09:45:34 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 31, 2010, 09:45:34 AM
THIS IS PANDORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
...
Sorry, but it's 300 pages...
...
Sorry, but it's 300 pages...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 01, 2010, 12:46:51 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 01, 2010, 12:46:51 AM
What shat me with the battle was Jake telling everyone that they have home ground advantage, but then never exploited it by diving straight down on the shuttle like they did a bunch of times earlier in the film. Even with those make shift gun emplacements on it the baddies couldn't fire straight up, and once a bunch of thundercats get on the roof of the shuttle, the helicopter things couldn't shoot at them for fear of hitting their own guys and the shuttle.
Though to be fair it was only on watching the battle for the second time that I noticed this.
Compare it to Return of the Jedi where the fleet shows up to attack the Death Star, but because the shield is up, they have to go toe-to-toe with the Star Destroyers. The shuttle defenses in Avatar were pissy, and yet they didn't really focus they're attack on it. Dumb.
(That and Grace must've taken her time in going to Eywa and saying "Who do I have to blow to get a little help for my boy, Jake?")
Though to be fair it was only on watching the battle for the second time that I noticed this.
Compare it to Return of the Jedi where the fleet shows up to attack the Death Star, but because the shield is up, they have to go toe-to-toe with the Star Destroyers. The shuttle defenses in Avatar were pissy, and yet they didn't really focus they're attack on it. Dumb.
(That and Grace must've taken her time in going to Eywa and saying "Who do I have to blow to get a little help for my boy, Jake?")
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 01, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 01, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2010, 12:46:51 AMAbout 200 million years worth of dead Na'vi souls, hence the delay :D
(That and Grace must've taken her time in going to Eywa and saying "Who do I have to blow to get a little help for my boy, Jake?")
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
In all honesty, I thought the movie Avatar was okay; it had good comcepts and stuff, but the implentation as a movie was poorly done quite possibly with deliberate intentions. Let me explain. (If this post is too long for you, I put a summary of it at the end, but you'll get a better idea of this argument if you read the entire thing.) I'm going to make a comparison of this movie with another movie that shared many similar themes with it; How to Train Your Dragon. Yes, I know it may seem like a kiddy movie, but I personally think it excels Avatar. In the video embedded below, you'll actually see that they say that HTTYD is a kiddie version of Avatar. If I could, I'd re-edit that video to include this phrase after that sentence, "only with better plot" for the reasons I will now describe. First off let me say that I first heard of How to Train Your Dragon while I was watching the preview to Planet 51 in theatres, having heard that there'd be an Alien reference in it, I naturally had to go see it for myself (there's an "Alien" dog that pees acid, btw). Anyway, I was a big fan of the "accept someone different" theme and a lot of those movies were coming out at that time; Planet 51, Avatar, and How to Train Your Dragon (HTTYD), I decided to watch it as well.
Let me start you off on this debate with a post that I had previously made in another thread.
In my opinion, it almost seems that James Cameron sold out on fans of Avatar's genre. Let's face it, films like Alien and Predator often appeal only to a certain group of people, in this case; us. When I first heard of Avatar, I became really excited that a great director like Cameron would make another sci-fi movie just for us fans. However, as I immersed myself in the Avatar universe via the internet, I found details of the movie just before it came out, very important concepts, i.e. the Earth needs to mine on Pandora in order to acquire unobtanium so as to save their dying planet. However, this concept is touched upon very little in the actual movie where the only mention of it is Jake Sully saying that the humans were banished back to their "dying planet". I don't know about you,but to me; the movie seems like one big lie. The entire movie is twisted and arranged so the viewers could see the action from only one perspective, the Na'vi. In the Special Edition shown in theatres a few months earlier, there's a scene that shows the Na'vi's retaliation against the humans for their destruction of the holy trees that Jake and Neyteiri mated under.
When I first saw the scene and heard what the Na'vi had done; how they had set people on fire when they were still alive, I immediately knew the reason why this scene was cut. The whole point of the movie was to make it look as if the humans were bad and make the Na'vi look like the victims. That one scene shows the true nature of the Na'vi, they can be like us; vengeful and violent. However, the way Cameron has sold out on fans narrows down to this; the casual viewer will see how the Na'vi have been mistreated and go "Oh, look how evil the humans are. They are evil and...ugh." However, the fans of the movie will go deeper into that and find out for themselves just the extent of the damage that Earth is suffering and realize that the RDA and the humans need the unobtainium, that they have no choice but to take from Pandora what's needed for them to survive while the casual viewer stays in ignorance. Now, the entire perception of the movie is changed.
The casual viewer will leave a rewatching of the film with a happy expression, thinking that the evil doers in the movie have been vanquished and that they got what they deserve. Fans of the movie will feel different, now knowing the true motives of these "evil doers" and now acknowledging this...for lack of a better term "conspiracy" designed to make the audience side with the Na'vi rather than the humans. From this new perspective, the Na'vi are now seen as the true evil doers of the movie. They are willing to let billions of humans die on their planet just so they don't have to move. Albeit, humans can be very destructive organisms and we most likely brought this destruction upon ourselves, but many of us can also be good people, evidence shown are Jake and his friends. These aliens, instead of helping us save lives of our own, like we have for them as explained when Parker says that they've given the Na'vi; schools, roads, and medicines. The casual viewer does not know this and, let's face it, probably couldn't care less if they ever found out. "It's just a movie," they'll say. The one good thing about this movie is that it has increased environmental awareness. Lots of good has come to the environment from this movie and if I had the chance to change the movie for the better, I wouldn't, because let's face it; saving people in real life is infinitely more important than saving people in a fictional universe.
Even though, this movie is being hailed as the greatest one ever created, I feel that it sold out on the fans so it could reach this popularity. This movie betrays the core value every sci-fi fan wants to see, a good story. Instead, in order to reach its political agenda, it shows less of the good storytelling, we fans expect from Cameron that has been present in so many of his previous films like Aliens, we instead get to see pretty animals and plants on Pandora. This is what's entranced the rest of the world. They're exclaiming how pretty these plants and animals are cause they don't get out into the real world to see it. We fans often don't have much of a social life so we look up these sorts of things on the computer. We've seen pictures of nature ourselves along with much more impressive fictional animals, like the xenomorphs we love; as a result, much of Avatar's beauty is lost on us. Meanwhile the casual audience, who spends most of their time talking about what clothes the other person is wearing or some other trivial concept that'll be forgotten in a few days sees this beauty for the first time; that's what impresses them so much. The How to Train Your Dragon movie doesn't make this same mistake. All of us know what dragons look like so there's no use in trying to wow us with pretty pictures and stuff. What HTTYD has that Avatar should have had is "the connection". Throughout the entire movie, Hiccup (the main protagonist) sees his world in a new light after he befriends his village's worst and most evil enemy (or so they say), a "Night Fury" dragon. Hiccup sees that dragons aren't evil at all, that they've been completely misunderstood. In HTTYD, this connection is emphasized and strengthened throughout a good portion of the movie.
While Avatar wows us with pretty sights that don't do anything for hardcord sci-fi fans who have seen more impressive stuff in actual nature and in other movies, HTTYD gives us something much better. We see the troubles Hiccup has as he teaches his newfound friend how to fly again after a serious injury cripples the dragon. Instead of making it all about the nature and harmony their world has, HTTYD makes the audience connect with these two characters. Hiccup soon sees that the violence that inspired the war between the Vikings (his people) and the dragons are based soley on what the the Vikings think they know about these creatures. He finds that the dragons are in a position much like the humans of Avatar are in; "They raid us because they have to." These dragons steal food from the Vikings in order to survive. I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it, so I'll put the conclusion of the movie in the spoiler tag below. However, the people on the other side don't see it in this light. They don't or refuse to understand the dilemma and problems that the attacking side has. This really makes the defending side look like the real bad guys of the story. This is also a problem much emphasized upon in HTTYD as Hiccup has a problem trying to get his entire village to see the possibility of peace for both races to live in harmony, but the old-fashioned lifestyle has too strong a pull on many of the villagers and they initially scorn him for his new views. This losing side make themselves out to be the victim so much that the attackers are often seen as the bad guys when in reality, the attackers have no choice in the matter. HTTYD also ended the way I wanted Avatar to end (spoilers in the spoiler tag below). Instead, in Avatar one side wins and the losing side has to revel in defeat and suffer the consequences that defeat will bestow on them.
In summary, many fans don't seem to like Avatar because it focuses on a beauty that many fans have already seen while the casual audience hasn't; being so caught up in rather trivial everyday things like clothes, etc. Avatar seems to betray the core values of its movie in that it seems to focus more on beautiful scenery than good story telling. Movies like How to Train Your Dragon and Aliens don't do this because they aren't trying to sell to the mass media, but the hardcore fans of the genres they represent. Both of these films have core values and concepts like "the connection" (see above) i.e. Hiccup and Toothless for HTTYD and Ripley and Newt for Aliens; that Avatar throws away in favor of pretty images. The ending of Avatar also isn't fitting; in reality, it's the attacking side who may be the real good guys since they are forced to attack the defending side or be killed by a much higher power than themselves. The defending side often refuses to see this perspective whether it's because they can't or simply don't want to, as a result they completely ignore the attacking side's problems and don't acknowledge the ultimate truth; the fact that had they been in the attacking side's position, they would most definitely make the same choices as them, not for greed, but for survival. Instead, they villify the attacking side and make it appear that they have a choice in this mess when in reality, they have none. In all honesty, HTTYD is a better film than Avatar.
What are your thoughts on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc#)
Let me start you off on this debate with a post that I had previously made in another thread.
Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
How many of us have seen How to Train Your Dragon? It's very similar to Avatar in that both are about two different groups being in conflict with each other. I honestly liked HTTYD more than Avatar, despite the fact that many people consider me crazy cause of that. To me, HTTYD had better plot, better characters, and a better score. The only thing Avatar had going for it was that it was more sci-fi and it had better special effects and stuff. In HTTYD, I honestly could relate to the main character Hiccup, who always seemed to fail everybody else's expectations of him. Jake Sully honestly seemed kind of stupid and too impulsive, i.e. the way he disobeys procedure and starts walking in his avatar body too early, how he thinks handshaking the Na'vi chieftain on their first meeting while they were deciding whether or not to kill him was a good idea, etc. HTTYD's score also seemed more...beautiful, I guess you could say. The scenes designed to spark emotion and fun were actually great and funny. Avatar's scenes were all about "look how pretty all the plants and the animals are". Maybe that's why many of us, AVP fans, aren't as impressed with Avatar as other people. We've seen great sci-fi creatures like Aliens before, the stuff in Avatar was nothing that much new. Overall, HTTYD seemed to provide a much better experience than Avatar, though perhaps I shouldn't judge right now as it's been a long time since I've seen Avatar, it had characters I easily liked while all of Avatar's characters were basically a bunch of people who just happened to choose that Na'vi are worth protecting while all the other humans choose to save their planet. Honestly, I was kinda hoping there would be this big controversy in Avatar over whether or not humans have the right to attack the Na'vi despite the fact that Earth is dying. HTTYD has scenes where the main character questions himself and wonders whether or not what he did was the right thing; I know Jake does this, too, but the fact that he's an idiot kinda diminishes that.
In my opinion, it almost seems that James Cameron sold out on fans of Avatar's genre. Let's face it, films like Alien and Predator often appeal only to a certain group of people, in this case; us. When I first heard of Avatar, I became really excited that a great director like Cameron would make another sci-fi movie just for us fans. However, as I immersed myself in the Avatar universe via the internet, I found details of the movie just before it came out, very important concepts, i.e. the Earth needs to mine on Pandora in order to acquire unobtanium so as to save their dying planet. However, this concept is touched upon very little in the actual movie where the only mention of it is Jake Sully saying that the humans were banished back to their "dying planet". I don't know about you,but to me; the movie seems like one big lie. The entire movie is twisted and arranged so the viewers could see the action from only one perspective, the Na'vi. In the Special Edition shown in theatres a few months earlier, there's a scene that shows the Na'vi's retaliation against the humans for their destruction of the holy trees that Jake and Neyteiri mated under.
When I first saw the scene and heard what the Na'vi had done; how they had set people on fire when they were still alive, I immediately knew the reason why this scene was cut. The whole point of the movie was to make it look as if the humans were bad and make the Na'vi look like the victims. That one scene shows the true nature of the Na'vi, they can be like us; vengeful and violent. However, the way Cameron has sold out on fans narrows down to this; the casual viewer will see how the Na'vi have been mistreated and go "Oh, look how evil the humans are. They are evil and...ugh." However, the fans of the movie will go deeper into that and find out for themselves just the extent of the damage that Earth is suffering and realize that the RDA and the humans need the unobtainium, that they have no choice but to take from Pandora what's needed for them to survive while the casual viewer stays in ignorance. Now, the entire perception of the movie is changed.
The casual viewer will leave a rewatching of the film with a happy expression, thinking that the evil doers in the movie have been vanquished and that they got what they deserve. Fans of the movie will feel different, now knowing the true motives of these "evil doers" and now acknowledging this...for lack of a better term "conspiracy" designed to make the audience side with the Na'vi rather than the humans. From this new perspective, the Na'vi are now seen as the true evil doers of the movie. They are willing to let billions of humans die on their planet just so they don't have to move. Albeit, humans can be very destructive organisms and we most likely brought this destruction upon ourselves, but many of us can also be good people, evidence shown are Jake and his friends. These aliens, instead of helping us save lives of our own, like we have for them as explained when Parker says that they've given the Na'vi; schools, roads, and medicines. The casual viewer does not know this and, let's face it, probably couldn't care less if they ever found out. "It's just a movie," they'll say. The one good thing about this movie is that it has increased environmental awareness. Lots of good has come to the environment from this movie and if I had the chance to change the movie for the better, I wouldn't, because let's face it; saving people in real life is infinitely more important than saving people in a fictional universe.
Even though, this movie is being hailed as the greatest one ever created, I feel that it sold out on the fans so it could reach this popularity. This movie betrays the core value every sci-fi fan wants to see, a good story. Instead, in order to reach its political agenda, it shows less of the good storytelling, we fans expect from Cameron that has been present in so many of his previous films like Aliens, we instead get to see pretty animals and plants on Pandora. This is what's entranced the rest of the world. They're exclaiming how pretty these plants and animals are cause they don't get out into the real world to see it. We fans often don't have much of a social life so we look up these sorts of things on the computer. We've seen pictures of nature ourselves along with much more impressive fictional animals, like the xenomorphs we love; as a result, much of Avatar's beauty is lost on us. Meanwhile the casual audience, who spends most of their time talking about what clothes the other person is wearing or some other trivial concept that'll be forgotten in a few days sees this beauty for the first time; that's what impresses them so much. The How to Train Your Dragon movie doesn't make this same mistake. All of us know what dragons look like so there's no use in trying to wow us with pretty pictures and stuff. What HTTYD has that Avatar should have had is "the connection". Throughout the entire movie, Hiccup (the main protagonist) sees his world in a new light after he befriends his village's worst and most evil enemy (or so they say), a "Night Fury" dragon. Hiccup sees that dragons aren't evil at all, that they've been completely misunderstood. In HTTYD, this connection is emphasized and strengthened throughout a good portion of the movie.
While Avatar wows us with pretty sights that don't do anything for hardcord sci-fi fans who have seen more impressive stuff in actual nature and in other movies, HTTYD gives us something much better. We see the troubles Hiccup has as he teaches his newfound friend how to fly again after a serious injury cripples the dragon. Instead of making it all about the nature and harmony their world has, HTTYD makes the audience connect with these two characters. Hiccup soon sees that the violence that inspired the war between the Vikings (his people) and the dragons are based soley on what the the Vikings think they know about these creatures. He finds that the dragons are in a position much like the humans of Avatar are in; "They raid us because they have to." These dragons steal food from the Vikings in order to survive. I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it, so I'll put the conclusion of the movie in the spoiler tag below. However, the people on the other side don't see it in this light. They don't or refuse to understand the dilemma and problems that the attacking side has. This really makes the defending side look like the real bad guys of the story. This is also a problem much emphasized upon in HTTYD as Hiccup has a problem trying to get his entire village to see the possibility of peace for both races to live in harmony, but the old-fashioned lifestyle has too strong a pull on many of the villagers and they initially scorn him for his new views. This losing side make themselves out to be the victim so much that the attackers are often seen as the bad guys when in reality, the attackers have no choice in the matter. HTTYD also ended the way I wanted Avatar to end (spoilers in the spoiler tag below). Instead, in Avatar one side wins and the losing side has to revel in defeat and suffer the consequences that defeat will bestow on them.
In summary, many fans don't seem to like Avatar because it focuses on a beauty that many fans have already seen while the casual audience hasn't; being so caught up in rather trivial everyday things like clothes, etc. Avatar seems to betray the core values of its movie in that it seems to focus more on beautiful scenery than good story telling. Movies like How to Train Your Dragon and Aliens don't do this because they aren't trying to sell to the mass media, but the hardcore fans of the genres they represent. Both of these films have core values and concepts like "the connection" (see above) i.e. Hiccup and Toothless for HTTYD and Ripley and Newt for Aliens; that Avatar throws away in favor of pretty images. The ending of Avatar also isn't fitting; in reality, it's the attacking side who may be the real good guys since they are forced to attack the defending side or be killed by a much higher power than themselves. The defending side often refuses to see this perspective whether it's because they can't or simply don't want to, as a result they completely ignore the attacking side's problems and don't acknowledge the ultimate truth; the fact that had they been in the attacking side's position, they would most definitely make the same choices as them, not for greed, but for survival. Instead, they villify the attacking side and make it appear that they have a choice in this mess when in reality, they have none. In all honesty, HTTYD is a better film than Avatar.
What are your thoughts on this?
Spoiler
The dragons in HTTYD steal food to feed their tyrant queen who orders them to raid the Vikings or get eaten themselves to replace the food that they need to give to her in a tribute.
The ending, itself, ends in a peace with the Vikings and the dragons where Hiccup's idea of world peace is finally enacted and the long time views of dragons as bloodthirsty, evil "devils" is finally thrown off like an old sweater.
The ending, itself, ends in a peace with the Vikings and the dragons where Hiccup's idea of world peace is finally enacted and the long time views of dragons as bloodthirsty, evil "devils" is finally thrown off like an old sweater.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc#)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
In all honesty, I thought the movie Avatar was okay; it had good comcepts and stuff, but the implentation as a movie was poorly done quite possibly with deliberate intentions. Let me explain. (If this post is too long for you, I put a summary of it at the end, but you'll get a better idea of this argument if you read the entire thing.) I'm going to make a comparison of this movie with another movie that shared many similar themes with it; How to Train Your Dragon. Yes, I know it may seem like a kiddy movie, but I personally think it excels Avatar. In the video embedded below, you'll actually see that they say that HTTYD is a kiddie version of Avatar. If I could, I'd re-edit that video to include this phrase after that sentence, "only with better plot" for the reasons I will now describe. First off let me say that I first heard of How to Train Your Dragon while I was watching the preview to Planet 51 in theatres, having heard that there'd be an Alien reference in it, I naturally had to go see it for myself (there's an "Alien" dog that pees acid, btw). Anyway, I was a big fan of the "accept someone different" theme and a lot of those movies were coming out at that time; Planet 51, Avatar, and How to Train Your Dragon (HTTYD), I decided to watch it as well.
Let me start you off on this debate with a post that I had previously made in another thread.Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
How many of us have seen How to Train Your Dragon? It's very similar to Avatar in that both are about two different groups being in conflict with each other. I honestly liked HTTYD more than Avatar, despite the fact that many people consider me crazy cause of that. To me, HTTYD had better plot, better characters, and a better score. The only thing Avatar had going for it was that it was more sci-fi and it had better special effects and stuff. In HTTYD, I honestly could relate to the main character Hiccup, who always seemed to fail everybody else's expectations of him. Jake Sully honestly seemed kind of stupid and too impulsive, i.e. the way he disobeys procedure and starts walking in his avatar body too early, how he thinks handshaking the Na'vi chieftain on their first meeting while they were deciding whether or not to kill him was a good idea, etc. HTTYD's score also seemed more...beautiful, I guess you could say. The scenes designed to spark emotion and fun were actually great and funny. Avatar's scenes were all about "look how pretty all the plants and the animals are". Maybe that's why many of us, AVP fans, aren't as impressed with Avatar as other people. We've seen great sci-fi creatures like Aliens before, the stuff in Avatar was nothing that much new. Overall, HTTYD seemed to provide a much better experience than Avatar, though perhaps I shouldn't judge right now as it's been a long time since I've seen Avatar, it had characters I easily liked while all of Avatar's characters were basically a bunch of people who just happened to choose that Na'vi are worth protecting while all the other humans choose to save their planet. Honestly, I was kinda hoping there would be this big controversy in Avatar over whether or not humans have the right to attack the Na'vi despite the fact that Earth is dying. HTTYD has scenes where the main character questions himself and wonders whether or not what he did was the right thing; I know Jake does this, too, but the fact that he's an idiot kinda diminishes that.
In my opinion, it almost seems that James Cameron sold out on fans of Avatar's genre. Let's face it, films like Alien and Predator often appeal only to a certain group of people, in this case; us. When I first heard of Avatar, I became really excited that a great director like Cameron would make another sci-fi movie just for us fans. However, as I immersed myself in the Avatar universe via the internet, I found details of the movie just before it came out, very important concepts, i.e. the Earth needs to mine on Pandora in order to acquire unobtanium so as to save their dying planet. However, this concept is touched upon very little in the actual movie where the only mention of it is Jake Sully saying that the humans were banished back to their "dying planet". I don't know about you,but to me; the movie seems like one big lie. The entire movie is twisted and arranged so the viewers could see the action from only one perspective, the Na'vi. In the Special Edition shown in theatres a few months earlier, there's a scene that shows the Na'vi's retaliation against the humans for their destruction of the holy trees that Jake and Neyteiri mated under.
When I first saw the scene and heard what the Na'vi had done; how they had set people on fire when they were still alive, I immediately knew the reason why this scene was cut. The whole point of the movie was to make it look as if the humans were bad and make the Na'vi look like the victims. That one scene shows the true nature of the Na'vi, they can be like us; vengeful and violent. However, the way Cameron has sold out on fans narrows down to this; the casual viewer will see how the Na'vi have been mistreated and go "Oh, look how evil the humans are. They are evil and...ugh." However, the fans of the movie will go deeper into that and find out for themselves just the extent of the damage that Earth is suffering and realize that the RDA and the humans need the unobtainium, that they have no choice but to take from Pandora what's needed for them to survive while the casual viewer stays in ignorance. Now, the entire perception of the movie is changed.
The casual viewer will leave a rewatching of the film with a happy expression, thinking that the evil doers in the movie have been vanquished and that they got what they deserve. Fans of the movie will feel different, now knowing the true motives of these "evil doers" and now acknowledging this...for lack of a better term "conspiracy" designed to make the audience side with the Na'vi rather than the humans. From this new perspective, the Na'vi are now seen as the true evil doers of the movie. They are willing to let billions of humans die on their planet just so they don't have to move. Albeit, humans can be very destructive organisms and we most likely brought this destruction upon ourselves, but many of us can also be good people, evidence shown are Jake and his friends. These aliens, instead of helping us save lives of our own, like we have for them as explained when Parker says that they've given the Na'vi; schools, roads, and medicines. The casual viewer does not know this and, let's face it, probably couldn't care less if they ever found out. "It's just a movie," they'll say. The one good thing about this movie is that it has increased environmental awareness. Lots of good has come to the environment from this movie and if I had the chance to change the movie for the better, I wouldn't, because let's face it; saving people in real life is infinitely more important than saving people in a fictional universe.
Even though, this movie is being hailed as the greatest one ever created, I feel that it sold out on the fans so it could reach this popularity. This movie betrays the core value every sci-fi fan wants to see, a good story. Instead, in order to reach its political agenda, it shows less of the good storytelling, we fans expect from Cameron that has been present in so many of his previous films like Aliens, we instead get to see pretty animals and plants on Pandora. This is what's entranced the rest of the world. They're exclaiming how pretty these plants and animals are cause they don't get out into the real world to see it. We fans often don't have much of a social life so we look up these sorts of things on the computer. We've seen pictures of nature ourselves along with much more impressive fictional animals, like the xenomorphs we love; as a result, much of Avatar's beauty is lost on us. Meanwhile the casual audience, who spends most of their time talking about what clothes the other person is wearing or some other trivial concept that'll be forgotten in a few days sees this beauty for the first time; that's what impresses them so much. The How to Train Your Dragon movie doesn't make this same mistake. All of us know what dragons look like so there's no use in trying to wow us with pretty pictures and stuff. What HTTYD has that Avatar should have had is "the connection". Throughout the entire movie, Hiccup (the main protagonist) sees his world in a new light after he befriends his village's worst and most evil enemy (or so they say), a "Night Fury" dragon. Hiccup sees that dragons aren't evil at all, that they've been completely misunderstood. In HTTYD, this connection is emphasized and strengthened throughout a good portion of the movie.
While Avatar wows us with pretty sights that don't do anything for hardcord sci-fi fans who have seen more impressive stuff in actual nature and in other movies, HTTYD gives us something much better. We see the troubles Hiccup has as he teaches his newfound friend how to fly again after a serious injury cripples the dragon. Instead of making it all about the nature and harmony their world has, HTTYD makes the audience connect with these two characters. Hiccup soon sees that the violence that inspired the war between the Vikings (his people) and the dragons are based soley on what the the Vikings think they know about these creatures. He finds that the dragons are in a position much like the humans of Avatar are in; "They raid us because they have to." These dragons steal food from the Vikings in order to survive. I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it, so I'll put the conclusion of the movie in the spoiler tag below. However, the people on the other side don't see it in this light. They don't or refuse to understand the dilemma and problems that the attacking side has. This really makes the defending side look like the real bad guys of the story. This is also a problem much emphasized upon in HTTYD as Hiccup has a problem trying to get his entire village to see the possibility of peace for both races to live in harmony, but the old-fashioned lifestyle has too strong a pull on many of the villagers and they initially scorn him for his new views. This losing side make themselves out to be the victim so much that the attackers are often seen as the bad guys when in reality, the attackers have no choice in the matter. HTTYD also ended the way I wanted Avatar to end (spoilers in the spoiler tag below). Instead, in Avatar one side wins and the losing side has to revel in defeat and suffer the consequences that defeat will bestow on them.
In summary, many fans don't seem to like Avatar because it focuses on a beauty that many fans have already seen while the casual audience hasn't; being so caught up in rather trivial everyday things like clothes, etc. Avatar seems to betray the core values of its movie in that it seems to focus more on beautiful scenery than good story telling. Movies like How to Train Your Dragon and Aliens don't do this because they aren't trying to sell to the mass media, but the hardcore fans of the genres they represent. Both of these films have core values and concepts like "the connection" (see above) i.e. Hiccup and Toothless for HTTYD and Ripley and Newt for Aliens; that Avatar throws away in favor of pretty images. The ending of Avatar also isn't fitting; in reality, it's the attacking side who may be the real good guys since they are forced to attack the defending side or be killed by a much higher power than themselves. The defending side often refuses to see this perspective whether it's because they can't or simply don't want to, as a result they completely ignore the attacking side's problems and don't acknowledge the ultimate truth; the fact that had they been in the attacking side's position, they would most definitely make the same choices as them, not for greed, but for survival. Instead, they villify the attacking side and make it appear that they have a choice in this mess when in reality, they have none. In all honesty, HTTYD is a better film than Avatar.
What are your thoughts on this?Spoiler
The dragons in HTTYD steal food to feed their tyrant queen who orders them to raid the Vikings or get eaten themselves to replace the food that they need to give to her in a tribute.
The ending, itself, ends in a peace with the Vikings and the dragons where Hiccup's idea of world peace is finally enacted and the long time views of dragons as bloodthirsty, evil "devils" is finally thrown off like an old sweater.[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc
I like the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:09:13 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:09:13 PM
The movie was okay, but I guess I'm just upset that the plot didn't go where I wanted it to. :( Either way, you have to admit the movie was rigged the perception the audience would have of the movie in favor of the Na'vi and made the humans look too much like the bad guys that they really weren't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:09:13 PM
The movie was okay, but I guess I'm just upset that the plot didn't go where I wanted it to. :( Either way, you have to admit the movie was rigged the perception the audience would have of the movie in favor of the Na'vi and made the humans look too much like the bad guys that they really weren't.
The humans were the bad guys.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
The humans needed the unobtanium or else billions of their people would die. They were kind enough to give the Na'vi medicines and such to save their lives, why couldn't the Na'vi try to save the humans' lives? The whole movie was cut and edited to make it look like the Na'vi were the victims and the audience sympathizes with the "victims". Watch the Special Edition when it comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:22:57 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
The humans needed the unobtanium or else billions of their people would die. They were kind enough to give the Na'vi medicines and such to save their lives, why couldn't the Na'vi try to save the humans' lives. The whole movie was cut and edited to make it look like the Na'vi were the victims and the audience sympathizes with the "victims". Watch the Special Edition when it comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray if you don't believe me.
The humans acted out of greed. They destroyed their mother earth, and then they decided to destroy another for a f**king rock.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:26:23 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:26:23 PM
Okay, the RDA might have acted out of greed; I agree with you there. But still, the humans needed the unobtanium to save their planet. If all your family and friends were in a place where they would soon die unless you took something from another planet and the only reason you couldn't is because the inhabitants there refuse to listen to your pleas, wouldn't you do the same thing? Btw, did you see the special edition? If you did, then you'd understand how the movie rigs itself to make the audience support the Na'vi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:28:12 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:26:23 PM
Okay, the RDA might have acted out of greed; I agree with you there. But still, the humans needed the unobtanium to save their planet. If all your family and friends were in a place where they would soon die unless you took something from another planet and the only reason you couldn't is because the inhabitants there refuse to listen to your pleas, wouldn't you do the same thing? Btw, did you see the special edition? If you did, then you'd understand how the movie rigs itself to make the audience support the Na'vi.
I seen it. It showed true human nature. If humans don't get what they want, they destroy everything until they do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Yeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Yeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
Its kind of hard to talk to someone when you shoot them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Fine, if a different and nicer corporation that doesn't shoot at the Na'vi comes in, do you think the Na'vi would say yes?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:33:33 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Fine, if a different and nicer corporation that doesn't shoot at the Na'vi comes in, do you think the Na'vi would say yes?
If they don't shoot every Na'vi they see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
Problems are still going to break out. The humans will eventually start mining again for unobtanium, the Na'vi will see this as a violation of their home and start attacking like they did in Avatar Special Edition. That's most likely how the fight between them and the RDA broke out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:37:07 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:37:07 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
Problems are still going to break out. The humans will eventually start mining again for unobtanium, the Na'vi will see this as a violation of their home and start attacking like they did in Avatar Special Edition. That's most likely how the fight between them and the RDA broke out.
You don't just go onto someone's home and start digging like you own the place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 06, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 06, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PMYeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
What is it that unobtanium do exactly? Why do we need it to survive?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:50:10 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Nov 06, 2010, 11:49:23 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PMYeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
What is it that unobtanium do exactly? Why do we need it to survive?
We don't. Its just something to make a buck on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 06, 2010, 11:53:30 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 06, 2010, 11:53:30 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Nov 06, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
What is it that unobtanium do exactly? Why do we need it to survive?
Conducts a ton of energy without heating up, I believe. Magnetic properties. Apparently it's for monorails.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 06, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 06, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
no, its needed for starship engines, or something to un-pollute earth or something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:54:49 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:54:49 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 06, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
no, its needed for starship engines, or something to un-pollute earth or something.
Tough to un-pollute what's already polluted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:17 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:17 PM
Hence, we extract an exotic material from a distant sentient planet to archive it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:58 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:58 PM
I sympathized with the humans in the film. Antropocentrism is a powerful force.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 07, 2010, 12:00:47 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 07, 2010, 12:00:47 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:58 PM
I sympathized with the humans in the film. Antropocentrism is a powerful force.
D9 on the other hand...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 07, 2010, 12:01:44 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 07, 2010, 12:01:44 AM
Hey Space, Ever Read "Humanity, f**k yeah!"?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 07, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 07, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 07, 2010, 12:00:47 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 06, 2010, 11:59:58 PM
I sympathized with the humans in the film. Antropocentrism is a powerful force.
D9 on the other hand...
Precisely. It can be overcome, but it requires a good storyline to do so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 12:17:25 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 12:17:25 AM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:50:10 PMQuote from: Shasvre on Nov 06, 2010, 11:49:23 PMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 06, 2010, 11:37:07 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
Problems are still going to break out. The humans will eventually start mining again for unobtanium, the Na'vi will see this as a violation of their home and start attacking like they did in Avatar Special Edition. That's most likely how the fight between them and the RDA broke out.
You don't just go onto someone's home and start digging like you own the place.
I agree, but with Earth dying, you have to admit that circumstances have changed. Would you let niceties slow down your quest to save lives?Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PMYeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
What is it that unobtanium do exactly? Why do we need it to survive?
We don't. Its just something to make a buck on.
No, we need it to solve the energy crisis that Earth is having.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 07, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 07, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Yeah, I agree that human nature can be cruel and evil, but unobtanium is something we need in order to survive. Even if we asked politely, do you really think the Na'vi's answer would be any different? Violence broke out only because it was the last resort to save lives on Earth.
But we will never get unobtanium, hence the name.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 01:45:14 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 01:45:14 AM
Is that a joke? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 07, 2010, 01:56:47 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 07, 2010, 01:56:47 AM
You tell me. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtanium)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 01:58:51 AM
I think they mean unobtainable on Earth, not Pandora.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 07, 2010, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 07, 2010, 02:04:05 PM
Say, who's seen the new un-cut special edition?
Apparently it's much better, has tonnes of extra scenes and extended ones like the Thanator V. Quaritch fight.
True?
Worth the new price?
Apparently it's much better, has tonnes of extra scenes and extended ones like the Thanator V. Quaritch fight.
True?
Worth the new price?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 07, 2010, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 07, 2010, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
In all honesty, I thought the movie Avatar was okay; it had good comcepts and stuff, but the implentation as a movie was poorly done quite possibly with deliberate intentions. Let me explain. (If this post is too long for you, I put a summary of it at the end, but you'll get a better idea of this argument if you read the entire thing.) I'm going to make a comparison of this movie with another movie that shared many similar themes with it; How to Train Your Dragon. Yes, I know it may seem like a kiddy movie, but I personally think it excels Avatar. In the video embedded below, you'll actually see that they say that HTTYD is a kiddie version of Avatar. If I could, I'd re-edit that video to include this phrase after that sentence, "only with better plot" for the reasons I will now describe. First off let me say that I first heard of How to Train Your Dragon while I was watching the preview to Planet 51 in theatres, having heard that there'd be an Alien reference in it, I naturally had to go see it for myself (there's an "Alien" dog that pees acid, btw). Anyway, I was a big fan of the "accept someone different" theme and a lot of those movies were coming out at that time; Planet 51, Avatar, and How to Train Your Dragon (HTTYD), I decided to watch it as well.
Let me start you off on this debate with a post that I had previously made in another thread.Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
How many of us have seen How to Train Your Dragon? It's very similar to Avatar in that both are about two different groups being in conflict with each other. I honestly liked HTTYD more than Avatar, despite the fact that many people consider me crazy cause of that. To me, HTTYD had better plot, better characters, and a better score. The only thing Avatar had going for it was that it was more sci-fi and it had better special effects and stuff. In HTTYD, I honestly could relate to the main character Hiccup, who always seemed to fail everybody else's expectations of him. Jake Sully honestly seemed kind of stupid and too impulsive, i.e. the way he disobeys procedure and starts walking in his avatar body too early, how he thinks handshaking the Na'vi chieftain on their first meeting while they were deciding whether or not to kill him was a good idea, etc. HTTYD's score also seemed more...beautiful, I guess you could say. The scenes designed to spark emotion and fun were actually great and funny. Avatar's scenes were all about "look how pretty all the plants and the animals are". Maybe that's why many of us, AVP fans, aren't as impressed with Avatar as other people. We've seen great sci-fi creatures like Aliens before, the stuff in Avatar was nothing that much new. Overall, HTTYD seemed to provide a much better experience than Avatar, though perhaps I shouldn't judge right now as it's been a long time since I've seen Avatar, it had characters I easily liked while all of Avatar's characters were basically a bunch of people who just happened to choose that Na'vi are worth protecting while all the other humans choose to save their planet. Honestly, I was kinda hoping there would be this big controversy in Avatar over whether or not humans have the right to attack the Na'vi despite the fact that Earth is dying. HTTYD has scenes where the main character questions himself and wonders whether or not what he did was the right thing; I know Jake does this, too, but the fact that he's an idiot kinda diminishes that.
In my opinion, it almost seems that James Cameron sold out on fans of Avatar's genre. Let's face it, films like Alien and Predator often appeal only to a certain group of people, in this case; us. When I first heard of Avatar, I became really excited that a great director like Cameron would make another sci-fi movie just for us fans. However, as I immersed myself in the Avatar universe via the internet, I found details of the movie just before it came out, very important concepts, i.e. the Earth needs to mine on Pandora in order to acquire unobtanium so as to save their dying planet. However, this concept is touched upon very little in the actual movie where the only mention of it is Jake Sully saying that the humans were banished back to their "dying planet". I don't know about you,but to me; the movie seems like one big lie. The entire movie is twisted and arranged so the viewers could see the action from only one perspective, the Na'vi. In the Special Edition shown in theatres a few months earlier, there's a scene that shows the Na'vi's retaliation against the humans for their destruction of the holy trees that Jake and Neyteiri mated under.
When I first saw the scene and heard what the Na'vi had done; how they had set people on fire when they were still alive, I immediately knew the reason why this scene was cut. The whole point of the movie was to make it look as if the humans were bad and make the Na'vi look like the victims. That one scene shows the true nature of the Na'vi, they can be like us; vengeful and violent. However, the way Cameron has sold out on fans narrows down to this; the casual viewer will see how the Na'vi have been mistreated and go "Oh, look how evil the humans are. They are evil and...ugh." However, the fans of the movie will go deeper into that and find out for themselves just the extent of the damage that Earth is suffering and realize that the RDA and the humans need the unobtainium, that they have no choice but to take from Pandora what's needed for them to survive while the casual viewer stays in ignorance. Now, the entire perception of the movie is changed.
The casual viewer will leave a rewatching of the film with a happy expression, thinking that the evil doers in the movie have been vanquished and that they got what they deserve. Fans of the movie will feel different, now knowing the true motives of these "evil doers" and now acknowledging this...for lack of a better term "conspiracy" designed to make the audience side with the Na'vi rather than the humans. From this new perspective, the Na'vi are now seen as the true evil doers of the movie. They are willing to let billions of humans die on their planet just so they don't have to move. Albeit, humans can be very destructive organisms and we most likely brought this destruction upon ourselves, but many of us can also be good people, evidence shown are Jake and his friends. These aliens, instead of helping us save lives of our own, like we have for them as explained when Parker says that they've given the Na'vi; schools, roads, and medicines. The casual viewer does not know this and, let's face it, probably couldn't care less if they ever found out. "It's just a movie," they'll say. The one good thing about this movie is that it has increased environmental awareness. Lots of good has come to the environment from this movie and if I had the chance to change the movie for the better, I wouldn't, because let's face it; saving people in real life is infinitely more important than saving people in a fictional universe.
Even though, this movie is being hailed as the greatest one ever created, I feel that it sold out on the fans so it could reach this popularity. This movie betrays the core value every sci-fi fan wants to see, a good story. Instead, in order to reach its political agenda, it shows less of the good storytelling, we fans expect from Cameron that has been present in so many of his previous films like Aliens, we instead get to see pretty animals and plants on Pandora. This is what's entranced the rest of the world. They're exclaiming how pretty these plants and animals are cause they don't get out into the real world to see it. We fans often don't have much of a social life so we look up these sorts of things on the computer. We've seen pictures of nature ourselves along with much more impressive fictional animals, like the xenomorphs we love; as a result, much of Avatar's beauty is lost on us. Meanwhile the casual audience, who spends most of their time talking about what clothes the other person is wearing or some other trivial concept that'll be forgotten in a few days sees this beauty for the first time; that's what impresses them so much. The How to Train Your Dragon movie doesn't make this same mistake. All of us know what dragons look like so there's no use in trying to wow us with pretty pictures and stuff. What HTTYD has that Avatar should have had is "the connection". Throughout the entire movie, Hiccup (the main protagonist) sees his world in a new light after he befriends his village's worst and most evil enemy (or so they say), a "Night Fury" dragon. Hiccup sees that dragons aren't evil at all, that they've been completely misunderstood. In HTTYD, this connection is emphasized and strengthened throughout a good portion of the movie.
While Avatar wows us with pretty sights that don't do anything for hardcord sci-fi fans who have seen more impressive stuff in actual nature and in other movies, HTTYD gives us something much better. We see the troubles Hiccup has as he teaches his newfound friend how to fly again after a serious injury cripples the dragon. Instead of making it all about the nature and harmony their world has, HTTYD makes the audience connect with these two characters. Hiccup soon sees that the violence that inspired the war between the Vikings (his people) and the dragons are based soley on what the the Vikings think they know about these creatures. He finds that the dragons are in a position much like the humans of Avatar are in; "They raid us because they have to." These dragons steal food from the Vikings in order to survive. I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it, so I'll put the conclusion of the movie in the spoiler tag below. However, the people on the other side don't see it in this light. They don't or refuse to understand the dilemma and problems that the attacking side has. This really makes the defending side look like the real bad guys of the story. This is also a problem much emphasized upon in HTTYD as Hiccup has a problem trying to get his entire village to see the possibility of peace for both races to live in harmony, but the old-fashioned lifestyle has too strong a pull on many of the villagers and they initially scorn him for his new views. This losing side make themselves out to be the victim so much that the attackers are often seen as the bad guys when in reality, the attackers have no choice in the matter. HTTYD also ended the way I wanted Avatar to end (spoilers in the spoiler tag below). Instead, in Avatar one side wins and the losing side has to revel in defeat and suffer the consequences that defeat will bestow on them.
In summary, many fans don't seem to like Avatar because it focuses on a beauty that many fans have already seen while the casual audience hasn't; being so caught up in rather trivial everyday things like clothes, etc. Avatar seems to betray the core values of its movie in that it seems to focus more on beautiful scenery than good story telling. Movies like How to Train Your Dragon and Aliens don't do this because they aren't trying to sell to the mass media, but the hardcore fans of the genres they represent. Both of these films have core values and concepts like "the connection" (see above) i.e. Hiccup and Toothless for HTTYD and Ripley and Newt for Aliens; that Avatar throws away in favor of pretty images. The ending of Avatar also isn't fitting; in reality, it's the attacking side who may be the real good guys since they are forced to attack the defending side or be killed by a much higher power than themselves. The defending side often refuses to see this perspective whether it's because they can't or simply don't want to, as a result they completely ignore the attacking side's problems and don't acknowledge the ultimate truth; the fact that had they been in the attacking side's position, they would most definitely make the same choices as them, not for greed, but for survival. Instead, they villify the attacking side and make it appear that they have a choice in this mess when in reality, they have none. In all honesty, HTTYD is a better film than Avatar.
What are your thoughts on this?Spoiler
The dragons in HTTYD steal food to feed their tyrant queen who orders them to raid the Vikings or get eaten themselves to replace the food that they need to give to her in a tribute.
The ending, itself, ends in a peace with the Vikings and the dragons where Hiccup's idea of world peace is finally enacted and the long time views of dragons as bloodthirsty, evil "devils" is finally thrown off like an old sweater.[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc[/url]
Whydon't you pick AVP:R apart like that. Maybe then you'll find out why everyone hated it ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 04:53:49 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Nov 07, 2010, 02:04:05 PM
Say, who's seen the new un-cut special edition?
Apparently it's much better, has tonnes of extra scenes and extended ones like the Thanator V. Quaritch fight.
True?
Worth the new price?
It hasn't come out yet.
Btw, I've been doing some thinking and realized a few things. What Quaritch and the RDA did is actually stuff that countries like the US and the UK do, at least according to pop culture. Just hear me out. When in other countries, national forces stay there and sometimes they have to seize resources like unobtanium to save their own people. Sometimes they do have to violate the land of others and maybe kill them, but the national forces still do it, you know why? Because they work to save the lives of the people in their nation, not the lives of other people in other countries. It's not that they don't want to save those other lives, it's just that if they worked on the angle of saving other lives, then the lives of the people at home will die in their place. These nations are the breakers who break not because they want to, but because they have to in order to secure the lives of their people. Extremists and radicalists come about because they are the ones who are the breakees, the ones that the nations can't afford to look after. Though I hate to equate the Na'vi with extremists, but if they ever found a way to Earth and started attacking it; they would be exactly that. They generalize all humans to be corrupt and evil, when in actuality, not all of them are; proof is people like Jake, the people on this forum, and me.
EDIT: As Royce said in the prequel to Predators; life's not as simple as cops and robbers.
EDIT: I forgot to mention one thing; I agree that no entity should let the desire of wealth and money; in other words, greed; dominate the way they handle the lives with others. If the RDA is, indeed, an evil company like Weyland-Yutani, then I completely agree that it needs to be replaced as the governing human force on Pandora.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 06:27:52 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 06:27:52 PM
Youre posting the same things twice in two threads?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
It's complicated. Someone said that I should post this in the Avatar thread. I did, but the other thread was still open. No one's locked it yet. I guess I'll post that this argument will continue solely in this thread.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 06:53:25 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 06:53:25 PM
In the film its heavily implied that unobtanium is only sought after by RDA because its worth so much money. The scene where Weavers character is arguing with Giovani Ribisi rams this down your throat. He picks up the sample and says "do you know how much this is worth" and he then goes onto talk about how there is a massive amount of it right under where the na'avi live.
The na'avi dont use it or care for it, to them its just rocks underground. The reason they wont let humans mine it, is because it is right underneath where they live (hometree). There is absolutely no way to get it, other than to move them on somewhere else and because they dont go, the humans use force. Its as simple as that. They dont NEED unobtanium they just WANT it because its insanely valuable. The whole point of the film is to scream "we humans are greedy and will destroy anything to get what we want, including our own planet". Its not subtle about it at all.
It deliberately portrays humans as evil and greedy because that is exactly what we are doing to our own planet and wether you agree or not Cameron has essentially made a movie that is shouting in our faces telling us were all doing wrong. Thats why some people dont like it. I dont mind preachy movies with hidden subtext or meaning but this one is so obvious its like somebody is slapping you across the face with a dead seagull covered in oil for 3 hours.
The na'avi dont use it or care for it, to them its just rocks underground. The reason they wont let humans mine it, is because it is right underneath where they live (hometree). There is absolutely no way to get it, other than to move them on somewhere else and because they dont go, the humans use force. Its as simple as that. They dont NEED unobtanium they just WANT it because its insanely valuable. The whole point of the film is to scream "we humans are greedy and will destroy anything to get what we want, including our own planet". Its not subtle about it at all.
It deliberately portrays humans as evil and greedy because that is exactly what we are doing to our own planet and wether you agree or not Cameron has essentially made a movie that is shouting in our faces telling us were all doing wrong. Thats why some people dont like it. I dont mind preachy movies with hidden subtext or meaning but this one is so obvious its like somebody is slapping you across the face with a dead seagull covered in oil for 3 hours.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 06:58:58 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 06:58:58 PM
Apparently, you never looked deeper into the film after seeing it. :( Did you see the Special Edition version of the film? Humans aren't the only evil forces on Pandora. The thearical release cut out scenes that would make the Na'vi look evil or worse than the humans. You don't get to see how they light people on fire while they're helplessly trapped in their AMP suits. You don't see that the reason Parker initiates the attack Home Tree isn't just for profit, but for retaliation against the Na'vi for this ruthless attack. You don't see the beginning of the film and see how deplorable Earth's condition is. You didn't read that humans need unobtanium in order to solve their energy crisis. So, no; it doesn't seem to be a very unfair request for the Na'vi to move so the RDA could save billions of human lives. Personally, I don't think there's enough evidence for us to say with absolute certainty that RDA is just another greedy corporation like Weyland-Yutani. Though, Parker reminds me of Burke from Aliens, he definitley seems more moralistic than your average company rep.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 07:05:02 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 07:05:02 PM
they light people on fire who are invading on their land with massive f**king machines? serves them right. If you had lived somewhere where youre ancestors had done so for hundreds maybe thousands of years would you just get up and move just because somebody/something you have never known asks you too. and if they then marched in with armoured suits and tried to move you by force i think youd bloody well tell them where to go.
the theatrical edition (which is what the majority of people have seen) does not imply one bit that the humans arent anything but a greedy, corporation that when pushed to make a choice will choose the rather heartless one because its easier. until i see special edition that shows otherwise its pointless to argue.
the theatrical edition (which is what the majority of people have seen) does not imply one bit that the humans arent anything but a greedy, corporation that when pushed to make a choice will choose the rather heartless one because its easier. until i see special edition that shows otherwise its pointless to argue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Thankfully, the Special Edition is coming out on DVD and Blu-ray Nov 16...or was it 18; I don't remember. :-[ Either way, the movie makes it look a certain way when in reality, it may not be that. If you really want the complete story, you'd have to look much deeper into the world. In this Developer Diary of the game, James Cameron himself says that neither the humans nor the Na'vi are the good guys or the bad guys, it all depends on perception. Basically, it all comes down to this; if the humans don't do anything, humans on Earth will die; if the humans attack, then the Na'vi have to move or they die. Many of today's countries operate like this. National agents aren't trained to save the lives of other countries, they're trained to save the lives of the people in their countries. German soldiers fight to save German lives, US people fight to save US lives, etc. If the RDA is just another greedy corportaion that just wants the unobtanium for money, then I agree that they're the real bad guys here, but we literally know nothing about them and the movie just tries to rig your perception against them with attacks on the Na'vi while deleting the Na'vi attacks on them so we can't sympathize with this "evil corporation". The movie tries to turn us against the RDA with no known facts or evidence of what they're motives are, just that they did bad things and then not show us the bad things that the Na'vi did. I guess this consipiracy against the RDA is making me sympathize with them cause they're forced to be seen in an unfair light while the Na'vi take advantage of our sympathies by showing only their suffering. All in all, I will not condemn the RDA for what they did until I see firm evidence that they're evil, not twisted perceptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYi90Vpxxu8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYi90Vpxxu8#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYi90Vpxxu8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYi90Vpxxu8#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
what the f**k are you babbling on about? conspiracies, in reality, the real story? Its a movie, a work of fiction, i dont want the complete story because the movie IS the complete story. what are you on?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
The conspiracy I'm talking about is how the film rigs the viewer's perception to favor the Na'vi by villifying the RDA with twisted images of what they've done but discreetly hiding from the viewer the twisted things the Na'vi have done. It all comes down to this; Earth dies if the humans fail. That includes you, your friends, your family, etc. In real life, these sort of things are probably done all the time in hot zone places like Iraq. We try to be human to be moralistic whenever we can. Don't get me wrong; anybody who really know me would tell you that I'm all about being humane and caring for the environment. I even pick plastic bottles and stuff out of trash cans and put them in their proper place in the recycling containers sometimes (why can't people just look at the labels before they throw stuff in? >:(). I understand that the RDA really screwed up perception-wise in that they refused to look at the whole view from the Na'vi's point of view. Quaritch had no right to bomb the Tree of Souls. In fact, it may be this negligent attitude toward the Na'vi way of life that really villifies the RDA. In that, I agree that the RDA are evil. However, I just want to point out that even though the RDA's negligence is unforgivable, the Na'vi also refused to try to help them save their planet. I'm trying to look for a middle ground in which both sides can win. However, the attitude the Na'vi had didn't help. They seem to care as much about saving human lives as much as the humans care about their culture. Therefore, both sides are tainted with negligent behavior. Can we really blame the RDA for caring more about the lives of the humans on Earth than the culture of the Na'vi if the Na'vi, themselves, are also guilty of caring more for themselves than they do for an alien race of beings who need the unobtanium in order to survive?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 08:15:04 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 08:15:04 PM
the film doesnt rig anything or decieve anybodys perception because it is exactly that, a film, a work of fiction. the final film is how Cameron intended audiences to percieve the events within it. theres nothing to hide because there is nothing else but the movie itself. nothing more, nothing less. youre reading way too deep into what is essentially a thread bare plot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
I get what you're saying; that the film's perception of events is the way we should see it, but still I can't help looking deeper into the story. Though Jake and the others saved Eywa's Tree of Souls, I can't help shaking off the feeling that many people on Earth will die as a result. Not that I think bombing the Tree of Souls was the right idea, Quaritch went way over the top with that one, but this failure to have a peace agreement for both species will inevitably result in the loss of life for the losing side. That's what I'm upset about. There are lots of good people on Earth, those that care about morals and the environment, and they may die as a result of this peace failure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 08:35:38 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 08:35:38 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Isn't that what we fans do? We look deeper into movies that no casual viewer ever does.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 07, 2010, 11:06:19 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 07, 2010, 11:06:19 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Isn't that what we fans do? We look deeper into movies that no casual viewer ever does.
Careful how you use the term 'we'. Observation in depth does not equate to foregoing all logical discourse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:18:06 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:18:06 PM
QuoteThat's what I'm upset about. There are lots of good people on Earth, those that care about morals and the environment, and they may die as a result of this peace failure.
Stiff shit.
The biggest deposit of unobtanium was what they wanted and it would've involved destroying that big curvy rock thing in order to get it. The thundercats didn't care for that and they rightly fought back and ultimately won (until Avatars - The Company Strikes Back).
Harmony and one-ness with nature and all sort of hippy stuff wins and greed and corporate imperialism is punished.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 11:25:17 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Isn't that what we fans do? We look deeper into movies that no casual viewer ever does.
Nope. I might look deeper if theres something deeper to be found. But with Avatar its all there on the surface, screaming in your face. Looking deeper into Avatar is like trying to look deep into a puddle and find a whale? Aint gonna happen, theres nothing there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 07, 2010, 11:28:43 PM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 07, 2010, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 07, 2010, 11:25:17 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Isn't that what we fans do? We look deeper into movies that no casual viewer ever does.
Nope. I might look deeper if theres something deeper to be found. But with Avatar its all there on the surface, screaming in your face. Looking deeper into Avatar is like trying to look deep into a puddle and find a whale? Aint gonna happen, theres nothing there.
So true. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 11:29:09 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 11:29:09 PM
Why does everybody assume that the RDA is all about greed? There's no real evidence to suggest that's all they're driven by, Parker even seemed to regret taking hostile action toward the Na'vi. If you really think the RDA is evil based soley on its actions, then what do you think of the governments that keep you safe? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 07, 2010, 11:34:01 PM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 07, 2010, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 11:29:09 PM
Why does everybody assume that the RDA is all about greed? There's no real evidence to suggest that's all they're driven by, Parker even seemed to regret taking hostile action toward the Na'vi. If you really think the RDA is evil based soley on its actions, then what do you think of the governments that keep you safe? :-\
Oh, I don't know. The fact that they were willing to blow the tree up, kill lots of aliens, and suspend the Avatar program to get the stuff under the tree?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 07, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
But they needed the unobtanium or people on Earth will die? Did anyone here read my earlier post where I explain all this?
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 06, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
In all honesty, I thought the movie Avatar was okay; it had good comcepts and stuff, but the implentation as a movie was poorly done quite possibly with deliberate intentions. Let me explain. (If this post is too long for you, I put a summary of it at the end, but you'll get a better idea of this argument if you read the entire thing.) I'm going to make a comparison of this movie with another movie that shared many similar themes with it; How to Train Your Dragon. Yes, I know it may seem like a kiddy movie, but I personally think it excels Avatar. In the video embedded below, you'll actually see that they say that HTTYD is a kiddie version of Avatar. If I could, I'd re-edit that video to include this phrase after that sentence, "only with better plot" for the reasons I will now describe. First off let me say that I first heard of How to Train Your Dragon while I was watching the preview to Planet 51 in theatres, having heard that there'd be an Alien reference in it, I naturally had to go see it for myself (there's an "Alien" dog that pees acid, btw). Anyway, I was a big fan of the "accept someone different" theme and a lot of those movies were coming out at that time; Planet 51, Avatar, and How to Train Your Dragon (HTTYD), I decided to watch it as well.
Let me start you off on this debate with a post that I had previously made in another thread.Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
How many of us have seen How to Train Your Dragon? It's very similar to Avatar in that both are about two different groups being in conflict with each other. I honestly liked HTTYD more than Avatar, despite the fact that many people consider me crazy cause of that. To me, HTTYD had better plot, better characters, and a better score. The only thing Avatar had going for it was that it was more sci-fi and it had better special effects and stuff. In HTTYD, I honestly could relate to the main character Hiccup, who always seemed to fail everybody else's expectations of him. Jake Sully honestly seemed kind of stupid and too impulsive, i.e. the way he disobeys procedure and starts walking in his avatar body too early, how he thinks handshaking the Na'vi chieftain on their first meeting while they were deciding whether or not to kill him was a good idea, etc. HTTYD's score also seemed more...beautiful, I guess you could say. The scenes designed to spark emotion and fun were actually great and funny. Avatar's scenes were all about "look how pretty all the plants and the animals are". Maybe that's why many of us, AVP fans, aren't as impressed with Avatar as other people. We've seen great sci-fi creatures like Aliens before, the stuff in Avatar was nothing that much new. Overall, HTTYD seemed to provide a much better experience than Avatar, though perhaps I shouldn't judge right now as it's been a long time since I've seen Avatar, it had characters I easily liked while all of Avatar's characters were basically a bunch of people who just happened to choose that Na'vi are worth protecting while all the other humans choose to save their planet. Honestly, I was kinda hoping there would be this big controversy in Avatar over whether or not humans have the right to attack the Na'vi despite the fact that Earth is dying. HTTYD has scenes where the main character questions himself and wonders whether or not what he did was the right thing; I know Jake does this, too, but the fact that he's an idiot kinda diminishes that.
In my opinion, it almost seems that James Cameron sold out on fans of Avatar's genre. Let's face it, films like Alien and Predator often appeal only to a certain group of people, in this case; us. When I first heard of Avatar, I became really excited that a great director like Cameron would make another sci-fi movie just for us fans. However, as I immersed myself in the Avatar universe via the internet, I found details of the movie just before it came out, very important concepts, i.e. the Earth needs to mine on Pandora in order to acquire unobtanium so as to save their dying planet. However, this concept is touched upon very little in the actual movie where the only mention of it is Jake Sully saying that the humans were banished back to their "dying planet". I don't know about you,but to me; the movie seems like one big lie. The entire movie is twisted and arranged so the viewers could see the action from only one perspective, the Na'vi. In the Special Edition shown in theatres a few months earlier, there's a scene that shows the Na'vi's retaliation against the humans for their destruction of the holy trees that Jake and Neyteiri mated under.
When I first saw the scene and heard what the Na'vi had done; how they had set people on fire when they were still alive, I immediately knew the reason why this scene was cut. The whole point of the movie was to make it look as if the humans were bad and make the Na'vi look like the victims. That one scene shows the true nature of the Na'vi, they can be like us; vengeful and violent. However, the way Cameron has sold out on fans narrows down to this; the casual viewer will see how the Na'vi have been mistreated and go "Oh, look how evil the humans are. They are evil and...ugh." However, the fans of the movie will go deeper into that and find out for themselves just the extent of the damage that Earth is suffering and realize that the RDA and the humans need the unobtainium, that they have no choice but to take from Pandora what's needed for them to survive while the casual viewer stays in ignorance. Now, the entire perception of the movie is changed.
The casual viewer will leave a rewatching of the film with a happy expression, thinking that the evil doers in the movie have been vanquished and that they got what they deserve. Fans of the movie will feel different, now knowing the true motives of these "evil doers" and now acknowledging this...for lack of a better term "conspiracy" designed to make the audience side with the Na'vi rather than the humans. From this new perspective, the Na'vi are now seen as the true evil doers of the movie. They are willing to let billions of humans die on their planet just so they don't have to move. Albeit, humans can be very destructive organisms and we most likely brought this destruction upon ourselves, but many of us can also be good people, evidence shown are Jake and his friends. These aliens, instead of helping us save lives of our own, like we have for them as explained when Parker says that they've given the Na'vi; schools, roads, and medicines. The casual viewer does not know this and, let's face it, probably couldn't care less if they ever found out. "It's just a movie," they'll say. The one good thing about this movie is that it has increased environmental awareness. Lots of good has come to the environment from this movie and if I had the chance to change the movie for the better, I wouldn't, because let's face it; saving people in real life is infinitely more important than saving people in a fictional universe.
Even though, this movie is being hailed as the greatest one ever created, I feel that it sold out on the fans so it could reach this popularity. This movie betrays the core value every sci-fi fan wants to see, a good story. Instead, in order to reach its political agenda, it shows less of the good storytelling, we fans expect from Cameron that has been present in so many of his previous films like Aliens, we instead get to see pretty animals and plants on Pandora. This is what's entranced the rest of the world. They're exclaiming how pretty these plants and animals are cause they don't get out into the real world to see it. We fans often don't have much of a social life so we look up these sorts of things on the computer. We've seen pictures of nature ourselves along with much more impressive fictional animals, like the xenomorphs we love; as a result, much of Avatar's beauty is lost on us. Meanwhile the casual audience, who spends most of their time talking about what clothes the other person is wearing or some other trivial concept that'll be forgotten in a few days sees this beauty for the first time; that's what impresses them so much. The How to Train Your Dragon movie doesn't make this same mistake. All of us know what dragons look like so there's no use in trying to wow us with pretty pictures and stuff. What HTTYD has that Avatar should have had is "the connection". Throughout the entire movie, Hiccup (the main protagonist) sees his world in a new light after he befriends his village's worst and most evil enemy (or so they say), a "Night Fury" dragon. Hiccup sees that dragons aren't evil at all, that they've been completely misunderstood. In HTTYD, this connection is emphasized and strengthened throughout a good portion of the movie.
While Avatar wows us with pretty sights that don't do anything for hardcord sci-fi fans who have seen more impressive stuff in actual nature and in other movies, HTTYD gives us something much better. We see the troubles Hiccup has as he teaches his newfound friend how to fly again after a serious injury cripples the dragon. Instead of making it all about the nature and harmony their world has, HTTYD makes the audience connect with these two characters. Hiccup soon sees that the violence that inspired the war between the Vikings (his people) and the dragons are based soley on what the the Vikings think they know about these creatures. He finds that the dragons are in a position much like the humans of Avatar are in; "They raid us because they have to." These dragons steal food from the Vikings in order to survive. I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it, so I'll put the conclusion of the movie in the spoiler tag below. However, the people on the other side don't see it in this light. They don't or refuse to understand the dilemma and problems that the attacking side has. This really makes the defending side look like the real bad guys of the story. This is also a problem much emphasized upon in HTTYD as Hiccup has a problem trying to get his entire village to see the possibility of peace for both races to live in harmony, but the old-fashioned lifestyle has too strong a pull on many of the villagers and they initially scorn him for his new views. This losing side make themselves out to be the victim so much that the attackers are often seen as the bad guys when in reality, the attackers have no choice in the matter. HTTYD also ended the way I wanted Avatar to end (spoilers in the spoiler tag below). Instead, in Avatar one side wins and the losing side has to revel in defeat and suffer the consequences that defeat will bestow on them.
In summary, many fans don't seem to like Avatar because it focuses on a beauty that many fans have already seen while the casual audience hasn't; being so caught up in rather trivial everyday things like clothes, etc. Avatar seems to betray the core values of its movie in that it seems to focus more on beautiful scenery than good story telling. Movies like How to Train Your Dragon and Aliens don't do this because they aren't trying to sell to the mass media, but the hardcore fans of the genres they represent. Both of these films have core values and concepts like "the connection" (see above) i.e. Hiccup and Toothless for HTTYD and Ripley and Newt for Aliens; that Avatar throws away in favor of pretty images. The ending of Avatar also isn't fitting; in reality, it's the attacking side who may be the real good guys since they are forced to attack the defending side or be killed by a much higher power than themselves. The defending side often refuses to see this perspective whether it's because they can't or simply don't want to, as a result they completely ignore the attacking side's problems and don't acknowledge the ultimate truth; the fact that had they been in the attacking side's position, they would most definitely make the same choices as them, not for greed, but for survival. Instead, they villify the attacking side and make it appear that they have a choice in this mess when in reality, they have none. In all honesty, HTTYD is a better film than Avatar.
What are your thoughts on this?Spoiler
The dragons in HTTYD steal food to feed their tyrant queen who orders them to raid the Vikings or get eaten themselves to replace the food that they need to give to her in a tribute.
The ending, itself, ends in a peace with the Vikings and the dragons where Hiccup's idea of world peace is finally enacted and the long time views of dragons as bloodthirsty, evil "devils" is finally thrown off like an old sweater.[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAiIQKVgsuc[/url]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:42:19 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:42:19 PM
tl;dr
f**king up someone elses shit, after you've f**ked up your own shit, does not have a glorious history - nor will it have a glorious future.
Avatar doesn't have a deeper meaning. It proudly wears its meaning on it's sleeve for all to see.
QuoteBut they needed the unobtanium or people on Earth will die?
f**king up someone elses shit, after you've f**ked up your own shit, does not have a glorious history - nor will it have a glorious future.
Avatar doesn't have a deeper meaning. It proudly wears its meaning on it's sleeve for all to see.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 07, 2010, 11:47:01 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 07, 2010, 11:47:01 PM
They want Unobtainium for money. They stated that clearly. Also Predxeno, let me drop you this. What happens when they deplete the unobtanium from Pandora?
They'll move on to another planet and do the same thing.
They'll move on to another planet and do the same thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:50:33 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2010, 11:50:33 PM
Same thing the aliens in Independence Day were doing. Strip mine planet, move on. Should we feel sorry that Will Smith and Jeff Golblum nuked dey asses?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 12:21:33 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 12:21:33 AM
You all make good points and I really do see things from your point of view, but I think we are putting too much of the evil corporation idea on the shoulders of the RDA. Many of you are quoting Parker saying how unobtanium pays for the whole trip as meaning: he's a greedy scumbag. However, it may not be that simple. As Dr. Cuddy from Houses says; it takes money to save people. RDA could have simply wanted all the money from unobtanium to further save the lives of the people back home. We have no real proof that they are greedy fags except that they seem to fit that profile. In other alien invasion movies, the aliens took very hostile attitudes toward humans and sorrow shouldn't be excessively dumped on them. However, the RDA tried many forms of polite persuasion on the Na'vi. Nobody knows that the RDA intended to stripmine Pandora exclusively for unobtanium, we just know that they need lots of it. Either way, if you think the RDA is so evil, can you give me firm and incontrovertible proof of their supposed greed?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 12:28:31 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 12:28:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LAzZWxkmA4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LAzZWxkmA4#)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 08, 2010, 12:29:51 AM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 08, 2010, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 12:28:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAI7eqMYdK4#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAI7eqMYdK4#noexternalembed)
:D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 12:39:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 12:39:44 AM
QuoteEither way, if you think the RDA is so evil, can you give me firm and incontrovertible proof of their supposed greed?
Quaritch was itching to serve it up to the Na'vi, and when Parker stood up to be counted he put profit before the lives of thousands of sentient beings.
Parker had a choice and chose to wipe them out. All of them.
Cambo also had a choice to show the company as being more sympathetic, but it didn't suit the story he wanted to tell. When push came to shove the Avatar project was deemed a waste of time, and they chose violence over diplomacy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2010, 12:43:41 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2010, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 12:21:33 AM
You all make good points and I really do see things from your point of view, but I think we are putting too much of the evil corporation idea on the shoulders of the RDA. Many of you are quoting Parker saying how unobtanium pays for the whole trip as meaning: he's a greedy scumbag. However, it may not be that simple. As Dr. Cuddy from Houses says; it takes money to save people. RDA could have simply wanted all the money from unobtanium to further save the lives of the people back home. We have no real proof that they are greedy fags except that they seem to fit that profile. In other alien invasion movies, the aliens took very hostile attitudes toward humans and sorrow shouldn't be excessively dumped on them. However, the RDA tried many forms of polite persuasion on the Na'vi. Nobody knows that the RDA intended to stripmine Pandora exclusively for unobtanium, we just know that they need lots of it. Either way, if you think the RDA is so evil, can you give me firm and incontrovertible proof of their supposed greed?
Dr. Cuddy isn't in the business of killing indigenous people. Big difference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 12:52:18 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 12:52:18 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 12:39:44 AMQuoteEither way, if you think the RDA is so evil, can you give me firm and incontrovertible proof of their supposed greed?
Quaritch was itching to serve it up to the Na'vi, and when Parker stood up to be counted he put profit before the lives of thousands of sentient beings.
Parker had a choice and chose to wipe them out. All of them.
Cambo also had a choice to show the company as being more sympathetic, but it didn't suit the story he wanted to tell. When push came to shove the Avatar project was deemed a waste of time, and they chose violence over diplomacy.
Yeah, Quaritch is just some thug with a talent for breaking stuff. He doesn't represent the RDA. You make it sound like Parker enjoyed making the decision to wipe out the Na'vi. When did Parker stand up to put profit before the Na'vi lives?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 12:58:43 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 12:58:43 AM
So someone else ordered the destruction of their big tree house?
If he didn't enjoy making the decision - he shouldn't have made the decision he did.
If he didn't enjoy making the decision - he shouldn't have made the decision he did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 01:25:07 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 01:25:07 AM
He did it to save lives both on Pandora and on Earth. People on Earth like you and me will die if we don't get unobtanium. And Parker was facing political issues. He couldn't afford to make the RDA look like a bunch of push-overs to the Na'vi. The Na'vi killed many of their people in the deleted scene, many in very gruesome ways. Remember how Augustine said that the Na'vi retaliation would have severe consequences? The Na'vi brought that upon themselves. Augustine was trying to find peace on both sides, but the Na'vi rejected her simply cause she was an outsider. Don't know about you, but reminds me of the class system humans had long ago where those who didn't seem to belong weren't respected and were completely ignored. Either way, people who have watched politcal shows like 24 know that looking weak in the eyes of the opposition will only encourage more attacks. Whether it's an online execution of a public official to not striking back against attackers.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 08, 2010, 01:27:28 AM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 08, 2010, 01:27:28 AM
We don't actually know what state the Earth is in to begin with. Saying that "it's dying", is such a throw away line.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 01:30:54 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 01:25:07 AM
He did it to save lives both on Pandora and on Earth. People on Earth like you and me will die if we don't get unobtanium. And Parker was facing political issues. He couldn't afford to make the RDA look like a bunch of push-overs to the Na'vi. The Na'vi killed many of their people in the deleted scene, many in very gruesome ways. Remember how Augustine said that the Na'vi retaliation would have severe consequences? The Na'vi brought that upon themselves. Augustine was trying to find peace on both sides, but the Na'vi rejected her simply cause she was an outsider. Don't know about you, but reminds me of the class system humans had long ago where those who didn't seem to belong weren't respected and were completely ignored. Either way, people who have watched politcal shows like 24 know that looking weak in the eyes of the opposition will only encourage more attacks. Whether it's an online execution of a public official to not striking back against attackers.
Just look up "imperialism". It's been around a bit longer than 24, so you may not have heard of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 01:33:03 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 01:33:03 AM
Actually, I did some research and I found out it was before the movie in came out. You'll also see it for yourself in the alternate beginning. For now, here's just a trailer that has scenes of Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4#ws)
There're also scenes that show the Na'vi causing destruction on humans, it's not the complete scene so important bits of their attacks are left out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhnxm2VrzY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhnxm2VrzY#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtBXpw8db4#ws)
There're also scenes that show the Na'vi causing destruction on humans, it's not the complete scene so important bits of their attacks are left out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhnxm2VrzY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhnxm2VrzY#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
Unless the important bits are Na'vi invading Earth and causing misery and destruction - they're not important.
The invading humans are the baddies; the Na'vi are the goodies.
The invading humans are the baddies; the Na'vi are the goodies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 01:57:55 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 01:57:55 AM
Predxeno could argue his way out of a brick jail cell. the walls wouldnt be able to take any more and theyd crumble just to let him out ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 02:04:16 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 02:04:16 AM
But then there's always that SMall chance something would get in his way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:05:23 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 01:57:55 AM
Predxeno could argue his way out of a brick jail cell. the walls wouldnt be able to take any more and theyd crumble just to let him out ;)
They'd bash their heads against each other. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 02:19:24 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 02:19:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
Unless the important bits are Na'vi invading Earth and causing misery and destruction - they're not important.
The invading humans are the baddies; the Na'vi are the goodies.
Yes, that's how the movie wants you to see it. It doesn't want you to see the truth. That's the conspiracy. But then again, it doesn't say much about the real motives of the RDA either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:24:47 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:24:47 AM
The real motives of the company - RDA is it? - are made as clear as the movie wants them. They want the unobtanium at any cost. In a fictional setting, that is THE TRUTH.
If Cambo paints more shades of grey for the next films, so be it - but as far as we know; this is black and white. Company = bad; blue dudes = good.
If Cambo paints more shades of grey for the next films, so be it - but as far as we know; this is black and white. Company = bad; blue dudes = good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 02:25:19 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 02:25:19 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 02:19:24 AM
Yes, that's how the movie wants you to see it. It doesn't want you to see the truth. That's the conspiracy. But then again, it doesn't say much about the real motives of the RDA either.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:27:14 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 02:27:14 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 08, 2010, 02:28:15 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 08, 2010, 02:28:15 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 02:25:19 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 02:19:24 AM
Yes, that's how the movie wants you to see it. It doesn't want you to see the truth. That's the conspiracy. But then again, it doesn't say much about the real motives of the RDA either.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 02:35:43 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 02:35:43 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:17:37 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:17:37 AM
I think I know what's wrong here. You guys are seeing the view that the movie is portraying. I try see the overall view; the big picture. Unfortunately, a lot of this "big picture" stuff relies on EU and you guys say EU isn't canon, right? Unless it's different for Avatar than for AVP? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
Wait. Wait. I have to ask: why are you still arguing this un-winnable battle? I for one, liked Avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it- it's clear that a lot of people here don't like it, and that's fine with me; all of their points are valid. But that's not going to make me enjoy the movie any less- is it going to make you?
Try leaving this alone.
Try leaving this alone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:26 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:26 AM
I don't give up on battles just cause I think they're unwinnable, I fight cause I'm dedicated to the cause. And I just feel that the RDA is villified onscreen to make it look like they're more evil than they really are. But a lot of my sources and evidence might be considered EU by some and I don't know whether Avatar fans consider EU to be canon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:42 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:42 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
I for one, liked Avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it...
We aren't clones!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2010, 03:30:15 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2010, 03:30:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:26 AM
I don't give up on battles just cause I think they're unwinnable, I fight cause I'm dedicated to the cause.
This, ladies and gents, is what we call the path to martyrdom.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:31:36 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:31:36 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:42 AMThere were slight glitches in the mind replication.Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
I for one, liked Avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it...
We aren't clones!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:32:28 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:32:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2010, 03:30:15 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:27:26 AM
I don't give up on battles just cause I think they're unwinnable, I fight cause I'm dedicated to the cause.
This, ladies and gents, is what we call the path to martyrdom.
Ha, ha, you're hilarious.
Anyway, was anyone really taken in by Pandora's scenery? I wasn't that much cause I honestly think the Alien's design is much more appealing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:33:48 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:33:48 AM
I don't get you, man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:42:23 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 03:42:23 AM
What? I thought the Giger's Alien (the design of a well-known and highly respected artist) was much better than that of some drawings made just for a movie with alien wildlife in it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:50:41 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:50:41 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
Wait. Wait. I have to ask: why are you still arguing this un-winnable battle? I for one, liked Avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it- it's clear that a lot of people here don't like it, and that's fine with me; all of their points are valid. But that's not going to make me enjoy the movie any less- is it going to make you?
Try leaving this alone.
It's not even really a matter of liking the movie or not - it's a matter of what happened in the story and how characters are portrayed. Cameron obviously wanted a clear line between 'good' and 'evil'. It's baffling why anyone would want to even try and argue that the mining company were 'good'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:53:06 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:53:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:50:41 AMOh, I totally disagree with the RDA being good in any sense, but that's not what I was talking about at all. I just meant his constant argument about "Why so many AvP Galaxy users don't like Avatar" and attempts at trying to convince people that it was a good movie.Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
Wait. Wait. I have to ask: why are you still arguing this un-winnable battle? I for one, liked Avatar, I thoroughly enjoyed it- it's clear that a lot of people here don't like it, and that's fine with me; all of their points are valid. But that's not going to make me enjoy the movie any less- is it going to make you?
Try leaving this alone.
It's not even really a matter of liking the movie or not - it's a matter of what happened in the story and how characters are portrayed. Cameron obviously wanted a clear line between 'good' and 'evil'. It's baffling why anyone would want to even try and argue that the mining company were 'good'.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:57:25 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:57:25 AM
I didn't really see it as an attempt to convince anyone it was good - more that it was deeper than people were giving it credit for, and that there's some ambiguity about RDAs motives.
Which there aren't.
Come to think of it, I guess it was an attempt to get people to like it...
Which there aren't.
Come to think of it, I guess it was an attempt to get people to like it...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:00:15 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:00:15 AM
To like Avatar...that wasn't my intention at all. This was:
Except for the "Which there aren't" part. I'm not trying to convince anyone to like the film, just showing why I didn't like it and how we shouldn't automatically think the RDA is evil just cause the film twists the perception of them that way. Jake saw past the way people told him about the Na'vi, shouldn't we do the same with the RDA?
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:57:25 AM
I didn't really see it as an attempt to convince anyone it was good - more that it was deeper than people were giving it credit for, and that there's some ambiguity about RDAs motives.
Which there aren't.
Except for the "Which there aren't" part. I'm not trying to convince anyone to like the film, just showing why I didn't like it and how we shouldn't automatically think the RDA is evil just cause the film twists the perception of them that way. Jake saw past the way people told him about the Na'vi, shouldn't we do the same with the RDA?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:01:19 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:01:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:57:25 AMYeah, to make people think there was much more to the movie, leading to further enjoyment and convoluted analysis.
I didn't really see it as an attempt to convince anyone it was good - more that it was deeper than people were giving it credit for, and that there's some ambiguity about RDAs motives.
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 03:57:25 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi935.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad195%2Fgraphicmix%2FAnimations%2FDexter%2520S01E01%2520Animated%2520GIFs%2FPost%25203%2520of%25204%2FNod.gif&hash=1b5f88afb62fab118cb53674f7325c10a016a543)
Come to think of it, I guess it was an attempt to get people to like it...
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:00:15 AMBecause it's a fu*king movie, and that's the way it was intentionally written.
Jake saw past the way people told him about the Na'vi, shouldn't we do the same with the RDA?
I recommend fan-fiction for you, buddy-boy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:07:33 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:07:33 AM
QuoteExcept for the "Which there aren't" part. I'm not trying to convince anyone to like the film, just showing why I didn't like it and how we shouldn't automatically think the RDA is evil just cause the film twists the perception of them that way. Jake saw past the way people told him about the Na'vi, shouldn't we do the same with the RDA?
Because when the RDA powers-that-be are presented with:
a) Continue towards a diplomatic solution with the Na'vi
or
b) Blow ten shades of blue shit out of them
- they chose option b.
They are defined by their actions, and are continually shown to have very little in the way of redeeming features.
Jake in regards to the thundercats, is given a biased opinion by one guy who would love nothing more than to just wipe them out. He gradually finds out that they aren't the savages he was lead to believe they are.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:16:26 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:16:26 AM
Setting people on fire while they're helplessly trapped sounds "savage" to me. And it's not like Parker wanted to attack the Na'vi, they were the ones who killed his people first.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:19:49 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:19:49 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:16:26 AMWhat a cowboy thing to say.
Setting people on fire while they're helplessly trapped sounds "savage" to me.
Geez, next this guy is gonna try to make MNU seem like heroes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:20:46 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:20:46 AM
No, I'm not...cause I don't know who the MNU are.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:22:19 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:22:19 AM
Much better movie they're from..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 04:25:01 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 04:25:01 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:16:26 AM
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/koobus_41162.jpg
So humble. So brave. We should learn from what Koobus has taught us.
I have seen the future--and I have learned!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 04:32:00 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 04:32:00 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:45:06 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:45:06 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 04:25:01 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi25.tinypic.com%2Fzk6d07.jpg&hash=0f79f4f60b79eadbcc811146991fe220453200e6)Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 04:16:26 AM
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/koobus_41162.jpg
So humble. So brave. We should learn from what Koobus has taught us.
I have seen the future--and I have learned!
Rarely do I laugh so hard at a post! :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:56:28 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:56:28 AM
QuoteSetting people on fire while they're helplessly trapped sounds "savage" to me. And it's not like Parker wanted to attack the Na'vi, they were the ones who killed his people first.
If the company mutha'uckas weren't 'ucking with the Na'vis shi' in the first place, they'd still be living mutha'uckas.
If you walked on to some elses land and started digging it up, and got smacked in the face when you didn't leave and then firebombed their house - everyone is still going to think you're a c**t.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:59:50 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:59:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:56:28 AMHow many mutha'uckas?
If the company mutha'uckas weren't 'ucking with the Na'vis shi' in the first place, they'd still be living mutha'uckas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:01:31 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:01:31 AM
Too many to count, mutha'uckas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 05:05:09 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 05:05:09 AM
He's gonna wake up in a smoothie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
I'm gonna ****** ****** mango ********* **** *********, pop an apple in his ass, yeah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:12:47 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:12:47 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:56:28 AMQuoteSetting people on fire while they're helplessly trapped sounds "savage" to me. And it's not like Parker wanted to attack the Na'vi, they were the ones who killed his people first.
If the company mutha'uckas weren't 'ucking with the Na'vis shi' in the first place, they'd still be living mutha'uckas.
If you walked on to some elses land and started digging it up, and got smacked in the face when you didn't leave and then firebombed their house - everyone is still going to think you're a c**t.
Why don't you tell that to the US forces in Iraq?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:15:33 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:15:33 AM
Okay. Well, this has been a great time, I really appreciate everybody showing up and doing there part, but now something has been posted that is so intensely stupid that we should just- well, you know, call it quits.
Good meet, good meet.
(Walking away and mumbling)
Jesus fu*kin' Christ, this is too much..
Good meet, good meet.
(Walking away and mumbling)
Jesus fu*kin' Christ, this is too much..
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:17:46 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:17:46 AM
QuoteWhy don't you tell that to the US forces in Iraq?
Besides being an incredibly naive thing to say, there's no need; the combat troops have all gone home.
Now please explain how the circumstances are the same.
(Hint - You've been on a loser up to now, and it's likely to get worse.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 08, 2010, 05:19:55 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 08, 2010, 05:19:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:17:46 AMQuoteWhy don't you tell that to the US forces in Iraq?
Besides being an incredibly naive thing to say, there's no need; the combat troops have all gone home.
Now please explain how the circumstances are the same.
(Hint - You've been on a loser up to now, and it's likely to get worse.)
Must be all that unobtainium they have under their feet! and the flying dragons ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:24:51 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:24:51 AM
Fine, I'll call it quits.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 05:25:37 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 05:25:37 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:24:51 AM
Fine, I'll call it quits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:31:14 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:31:14 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:24:51 AM
Fine, I'll call it quits.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4#)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:32:48 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:32:48 AM
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yaaayyyyy
yaaayyyyy
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:37:40 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 05:37:40 AM
All right, already. Don't make me change my mind.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:48:29 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 05:48:29 AM
NO!
*Clears throat* Ahem.. no thank you.
*Clears throat* Ahem.. no thank you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 05:32:48 AM
http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/75906458/518093
yaaayyyyy
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 08, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 04:59:50 AMQuote from: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 04:56:28 AMHow many mutha'uckas?
If the company mutha'uckas weren't 'ucking with the Na'vis shi' in the first place, they'd still be living mutha'uckas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-P4LssMsI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-P4LssMsI#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of us are actually part of the Avatar Program and have participated in the "Adopt a Tree" program? I'm like the only one out of my Facebook friends who have done so. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 09:37:08 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PMI am going to film myself shooting my own penis in protest of you posting anymore rediculous shit. That's how serious I am. Seriously, if you could seriously see my serious face you'd know how seriously serious I am. Seriously.
Out of curiosity, how many of us are actually part of the Avatar Program and have participated in the "Adopt a Tree" program? I'm like the only one out of my Facebook friends who have done so. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 10:01:42 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 10:01:42 PM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
SRSLY.
I WILL EMBED AS SOON AS AM NOT IN SHOCK.
I WILL EMBED AS SOON AS AM NOT IN SHOCK.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 08, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 08, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of us are actually part of the Avatar Program and have participated in the "Adopt a Tree" program? I'm like the only one out of my Facebook friends who have done so. :(
THERE IS NO IMAGE MACRO THAT CONVEYS WHAT I AM FEELING RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe all I need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblastr.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F02%2FWatchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg&hash=3b8ed109c703fbdb27a3da1a47127b3d855c288a)
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--but
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblastr.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F02%2FWatchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg&hash=3b8ed109c703fbdb27a3da1a47127b3d855c288a)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 08, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 08, 2010, 09:37:08 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PMI am going to film myself shooting my own penis in protest of you posting anymore rediculous shit. That's how serious I am. Seriously, if you could seriously see my serious face you'd know how seriously serious I am. Seriously.
Out of curiosity, how many of us are actually part of the Avatar Program and have participated in the "Adopt a Tree" program? I'm like the only one out of my Facebook friends who have done so. :(
Spoiler
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PMSpoiler
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe allI need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblastr.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F02%2FWatchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg&hash=3b8ed109c703fbdb27a3da1a47127b3d855c288a)[close]
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
Sharpsticks is now up there with Sweeps as my fave member on this site, for the avvy and this recent post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 08, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe allI need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/02/Watchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg
Hear, hear!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Nah, I'm just the guy who takes the unpopular side of the argument. Since the majority of you guys side with the "popular" side, my side doesn't look as good cause they're not as much people in it. Btw, I thought we were moving past those old threads.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:30 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:30 AM
As long as they keep coming!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
There's a difference between the "unpopular side of the argument" and making a thread about something no one was discussing in the first place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:57 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:57 AM
history in the making, folks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:05:16 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:05:16 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
There's a difference between the "unpopular side of the argument" and making a thread about something no one was discussing in the first place.
Good point, I'll stop if it really bothers you people. Though, if you don't like it, you needn't respond in the first place. ;) That's the assumption I've been going on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 09, 2010, 12:06:20 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Nov 09, 2010, 12:06:20 AM
We have all failed the experiment!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:08:06 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:05:16 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
There's a difference between the "unpopular side of the argument" and making a thread about something no one was discussing in the first place.
Good point, I'll stop if it really bothers you people. Though, if you don't like it, you needn't respond in the first place. ;) That's the assumption I've been going on.
That's 'cause comedic gold is occasionally found in them.
Spoiler
A third of the Nostromo's tonnage? Dallas' balls.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:15:14 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:15:14 AM
That's probably my mistake. I guess sometimes I make threads looking more for the "comedic gold" than anything else. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 12:39:24 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 12:39:24 AM
Might want to work on them punchlines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 09, 2010, 01:33:13 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 09, 2010, 01:33:13 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PMThis is AvP Galaxy awards gold. This is gonna sweep The Galaxies this year. :DSpoiler
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe allI need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblastr.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F02%2FWatchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg&hash=3b8ed109c703fbdb27a3da1a47127b3d855c288a)[close]
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PMThank you ;D
Sharpsticks is now up there with Sweeps as my fave member on this site, for the avvy and this recent post.
And yes, Sharp Sticks you're quite amazing. I've liked you since your first post I saw. CANADIANS UNITE!! *Gun breaks*
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:00:40 AM"Hitler was terrible."
Nah, I'm just the guy who takes the unpopular side of the argument. Since the majority of you guys side with the "popular" side, my side doesn't look as good cause they're not as much people in it. Btw, I thought we were moving past those old threads.
"Hitler was a menace."
"Hitler was an evil bastard."
"I THOUGHT HITLER WAS COOL."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 09, 2010, 01:59:53 AM
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 09, 2010, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PMSpoiler
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe allI need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblastr.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F02%2FWatchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg&hash=3b8ed109c703fbdb27a3da1a47127b3d855c288a)[close]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vY-4zWKsJM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vY-4zWKsJM#)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 09, 2010, 02:01:12 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 09, 2010, 02:01:12 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 08, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Dear Predxeno,
If you've been listening, which isn't necessarily a given, you've probably heard some pretty confusing things around here. People freaking out at you, people smashing their heads into their keyboards out of sheer frustration, people giving up their belief in humanity and sobbing in hopeless, helpless psychological agony. You might be concerned about the current turn of events, so I'm writing this letter to reassure you in this difficult time.
The truth is, I don't know what we'd do without you around here. We're reasonable people. Sure, we all disagree about a lot: the legitimacy of certain sequels, what expanded universe elements to take into account, the nature of life, the universe, and everything, and even what time zone we're in. But what all of us share is the knowledge that our minds are already made up on these subjects. No matter how much we argue, debate, and insult each other, we entertain no illusions that we will convince our opponents to see things from our perspective--on the flipside, we have no intention of seeing things from their perspective either.
You, Predxeno, are different. Every day you log into AVPGalaxy and create topics for just about every brain-addlingly ridiculous question that pops into your head. Metaphors? Storytelling devices? Logic? Common sense? Taste? Bah! You've never heard of these things, and they are inconsequential to you. What really matters is comparing Citizen Kane to AVP-R and wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight. In a debate, you adopt the most terrible of the two opinions (or even better, a third option of your own devising) and defend it to the point where everyone else has gone to play hopscotch in traffic as an alternative. Your only sources of popular culture reference are 24 and children's films, and you swagger across the forum with the blissful ignorance and positivity of Forrest Gump and Tiny Tim put together. Sometimes I wonder if you're just an incredibly well-devised alter-ego, pointing out the fallacies in our ideas with Colbert-like irony--butwe allI need to come back to reality some time.
As much as many of us would like to strangle you, I recognize the crucial function you serve in this forum. You're the Devil's Advocate, even if you aren't conscious of that state of being. Your raving madness forces us to reassess our own beliefs so as to defend them from you. You ask the questions no one else is asking (because everyone else has enough sense to figure things out for themselves). You alone, Predxeno, are a force we can all unite against, like the squid at the end of Watchmen or, I don't know, the Flood. You're a martyr, a sacrificial lamb, a Dark Knight. We can look at what you write and sigh with relief that our own sanity remains intact.
Thank you, Predxeno, for all you do. You're my hero.
Love,
Sharp Sticks
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/02/Watchmen_squid-thumb-500x369-13715.jpg
How long did it take you to write this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 03:12:09 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 03:12:09 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 09, 2010, 01:33:13 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 12:00:40 AM"Hitler was terrible."
Nah, I'm just the guy who takes the unpopular side of the argument. Since the majority of you guys side with the "popular" side, my side doesn't look as good cause they're not as much people in it. Btw, I thought we were moving past those old threads.
"Hitler was a menace."
"Hitler was an evil bastard."
"I THOUGHT HITLER WAS COOL."
That is a overexaggeration. Either way, I thought we were moving beyond this. I said I'd stop.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 09, 2010, 03:16:04 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 09, 2010, 03:16:04 AM
That was amazing sharp sticks ;D
although
predxeno might be on to something, can i smell another Darkhorse crossover .
i don't think there is anything wrong with smoking breaky bongs.
although
Quoteand wondering if a Predator could beat Jack Bauer in a fair fight
predxeno might be on to something, can i smell another Darkhorse crossover .
i don't think there is anything wrong with smoking breaky bongs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 05:08:49 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 09, 2010, 05:08:49 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 09, 2010, 01:33:13 AMQuote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PMThank you ;D
Sharpsticks is now up there with Sweeps as my fave member on this site, for the avvy and this recent post.
And yes, Sharp Sticks you're quite amazing. I've liked you since your first post I saw. CANADIANS UNITE!! *Gun breaks*
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi8.tinypic.com%2F5xj029d.jpg&hash=680aba539536368f7f93fd18bb5304ba84889107)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 06:03:20 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 06:03:20 AM
Thank you, thank you all. It's nothing, really, I do it for you people...showbiz!
Thank Predxeno, he's the real hero.
Thank Predxeno, he's the real hero.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 06:15:44 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 06:15:44 AM
Yes, keep boosting my ego and I may decide to become a "hero" again. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 06:27:59 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 06:27:59 AM
Man, I'd like to say something, but frankly, I'm out of words.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 07:00:40 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 07:00:40 AM
Well, it was a joke. Guess I probably should have made that more obvious. :-[ Either way, point is; I stopped, please stop gloating about it. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 09, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
A'right, cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
For those who are interested; the site for the Na'vi Extended Collector's Edition is up. There're deleted scenes showing how the RDA is, indeed, like W-Y yet there are also scenes that show that Parker isn't the same company man that Burke was. Also, something else I feel interesting to note in a spoiler tag.
http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore/)
Spoiler
One of the deleted scenes tells how Neyteiri's sister was killed. I remember that that sister was featured in an iPod game or something. Does this mean that Avatar EU is canon?
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http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 10:29:49 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 10:29:49 PM
You'd have to ask Avatar fans about Avatar canon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 09, 2010, 11:42:39 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 09, 2010, 11:42:39 PM
No it doesnt mean Avatar EU is canon because its a deleted scene. Ergo its not in the final movie itself and so its not canon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 09, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
That "deleted" scene is going to be in the extended version of the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 09, 2010, 11:51:06 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 09, 2010, 11:51:06 PM
Still doesnt make EU material canon because a character from a deleted but soon to be reinserted scene is featured in a mobile/ipod game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Go to an Avatar forum and ask them.
My guess would be if a character is in the film (TC or Extended) then they'd be a canonical character.
My guess would be if a character is in the film (TC or Extended) then they'd be a canonical character.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:00:18 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:00:18 AM
Theres no doubt the character will be canon if it appears in the extended versions but that doesnt mean because that character also appears in an EU handheld mobile game that it renders EU material canon to the movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
...oh God...
Are we actually participating in an Avatar canon discussion...?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F10%2Flolcats-funny-pictures-questionmark.jpg&hash=6fd0de74fa36b0cb8816701bf344cb2ccb0e0451)
Are we actually participating in an Avatar canon discussion...?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F10%2Flolcats-funny-pictures-questionmark.jpg&hash=6fd0de74fa36b0cb8816701bf344cb2ccb0e0451)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:27 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
...oh God...
Are we actually participating in an Avatar canon discussion...?
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lolcats-funny-pictures-questionmark.jpg
Yes you are.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
to be honest i didnt even know there was much material outside of the film other than the PS3/360 game and the obvious tie in novels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:14:13 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:14:13 AM
There will be more.... oh yes, there WILL be more...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 12:15:04 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
to be honest i didnt even know there was much material outside of the film other than the PS3/360 game and the obvious tie in novels.
There are tie-in novels? :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 11:55:40 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Feb%2Fymv%2Fus%2Fimg%2Fhv%2Fphoto%2Fmovie_pix%2Fnew_line_cinema%2Fthe_lord_of_the_rings__the_return_of_the_king%2Fextended3.jpg&hash=3ded91f984bd5bdfabaf5d59357350a985d171d9)
My guess would be if a character is in the film (TC or Extended) then they'd be a canonical character.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 10, 2010, 12:26:17 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 10, 2010, 12:26:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ord4faH5rXs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ord4faH5rXs#ws)
Cannon?
Cannon?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 10, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 10, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
you... i could kiss you right now. :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 12:33:08 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 10, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
you... i could kiss you right now. :'(
Mind the body paint.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:40:55 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 12:40:55 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 12:22:50 AMQuote from: SM on Nov 09, 2010, 11:55:40 PMhttp://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/the_lord_of_the_rings__the_return_of_the_king/extended3.jpg
My guess would be if a character is in the film (TC or Extended) then they'd be a canonical character.
Bruce Spence is automatically canon no matter what version he's in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:43:25 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 12:15:04 AMQuote from: Keg on Nov 10, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
to be honest i didnt even know there was much material outside of the film other than the PS3/360 game and the obvious tie in novels.
There are tie-in novels? :o
No idea. Just said it because I presumed there would be.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 01:23:16 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 01:23:16 AM
Ah. I know that Cameron is writing a prequel novel, I guess that would definitley be canon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:22:55 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:22:55 AM
Out of curiosity, what are our thoughts on the deleted scenes in the link I provided (http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore (http://www.avatarmovie.com/explore))? I liked them, but I don't get why they removed the scene about Neyteiri's sister from the Special Edition that came out in September. It continues the deleted scene at the school and answers the question that's on everybody's mind; what happened at the school? I also thought the part about delieberately bull dozing a sacred site was important as the RDA didn't seem evil and greedy enough to me in the theatrical release of the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:24:42 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:24:42 AM
Who's mind was that question on?
I couldn't watch any of the videos. None worked.
I couldn't watch any of the videos. None worked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:29:27 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:29:27 AM
Really? Were you at least able to access the site?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:38:12 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:38:12 AM
Yeah. Vids she no work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:41:32 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:41:32 AM
Here're some youtube vids. They don't show everything, it's like a 5 min clip edited to show only a 30 sec part of it. But, still...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEna_-TMGM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEna_-TMGM#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73gkzSjek0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73gkzSjek0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEna_-TMGM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEna_-TMGM#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73gkzSjek0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73gkzSjek0#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:44:43 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 03:44:43 AM
Like pretty much everything else in that flick - looks pretty; lacks subtlety.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:12:08 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:12:08 AM
The aftermath of that raid looked pretty fantastic. I liked the HUD, and it actually looked like a battle happened there. I'll pick this up. Might as well, seeing as I never got the original DVD that came out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:39:40 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:39:40 AM
Join the Avatar Program while you're at it and Adopt a Tree. ;) :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:40:26 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:40:26 AM
I'm buying a DvD.. not a tree. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:40:46 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:40:46 AM
I've already got a shitload of freeloading trees.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:41:48 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:41:48 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:40:26 AM
I'm buying a DvD.. not a tree. :P
Don't worry, the tree is for free; comes with the DVD or Blu-Ray. :D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:42:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:42:44 AM
It's in PLASTIC case?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 10, 2010, 05:45:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 10, 2010, 05:45:24 AM
And shrink-wrapped.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:49:58 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 05:49:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of us are actually part of the Avatar Program and have participated in the "Adopt a Tree" program? I'm like the only one out of my Facebook friends who have done so. :(
Did anybody understand what this post actually meant?
When you buy Avatar on DVD or Blu-Ray you get a code that lets you join the Avatar Program and "Adopt a Tree" online at http://www.avatarmovie.com/register/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/register/).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:55:29 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 05:55:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:42:44 AMI wonder if they give you a pot to put it in if you go collector's edition..
It's in PLASTIC case?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
It's cheaper to just go and buy a plant and go and plant it in your garden.
Besides I rather buy this.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalcynical.com%2Fimages%2Ffloydatar.jpg&hash=e14af7ab67e3fabe311dfa73171598c16bf386d1)
Rog enters the avatar body of Syd and returns to the mid-1980s to duke it out with Dave, Nick and Rick in the far flung reaches of the dark side of the moon.
Besides I rather buy this.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalcynical.com%2Fimages%2Ffloydatar.jpg&hash=e14af7ab67e3fabe311dfa73171598c16bf386d1)
Rog enters the avatar body of Syd and returns to the mid-1980s to duke it out with Dave, Nick and Rick in the far flung reaches of the dark side of the moon.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:02:03 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:02:03 AM
The Adopt-a-Tree program has you adopt a tree online. Go here for more info; http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 06:17:14 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 06:17:14 AM
Can't I just tell Jimbo and Landau that the First Lady bought a bunch of plants last weekend and planted them out the back?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:23:01 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:23:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:56:16 AMFOX better fund this.
It's cheaper to just go and buy a plant and go and plant it in your garden.
Besides I rather buy this.
http://www.nationalcynical.com/images/floydatar.jpg
Rog enters the avatar body of Syd and returns to the mid-1980s to duke it out with Dave, Nick and Rick in the far flung reaches of the dark side of the moon.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:02:03 AMI didn't see that the first time?
The Adopt-a-Tree program has you adopt a tree online. Go here for more info; http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 06:27:35 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 06:27:35 AM
QuoteFOX better fund this.
Still working on EMI. I'll get to Fox in due course.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:29:09 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:29:09 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:23:01 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:02:03 AMI didn't see that the first time?
The Adopt-a-Tree program has you adopt a tree online. Go here for more info; http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/ (http://www.avatarmovie.com/hometree/).
Huh? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:29:57 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:29:57 AM
You posted it twice as if nobody had seen it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:31:31 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 06:31:31 AM
I didn't post the link the first time. What did you think I meant by joining the Avatar Program and Adopt-A-Tree the first time I said it? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:50:18 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 06:50:18 AM
Well by joining the Avatar Program, I thought you meant I could sign up to appear as any creature or object I wanted (my selection would have been rejected), and by adopting a tree, I thought you meant bailing a tree out of an abusive household. Like such:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi56.tinypic.com%2F5an7d3.jpg&hash=69a22f35e941a24303e5e3bed5f876c9e6cff49c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi56.tinypic.com%2F5an7d3.jpg&hash=69a22f35e941a24303e5e3bed5f876c9e6cff49c)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:04:01 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:04:01 AM
Ah. So no wonder everybody started snapping up when I posted that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 10, 2010, 07:08:46 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 10, 2010, 07:08:46 AM
Sharp sticks, can you sort this out? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:11:00 AM
Don't bother...back on topic now, please. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 07:21:44 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 07:21:44 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:04:01 AMThe idea that you might actually think I was being serious perplexes me.
Ah. So no wonder everybody started snapping up when I posted that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 02:35:47 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Nov 10, 2010, 07:08:46 AM
Sharp sticks, can you sort this out? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 10, 2010, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 10, 2010, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
It's cheaper to just go and buy a plant and go and plant it in your garden.
Besides I rather buy this.
http://www.nationalcynical.com/images/floydatar.jpg
Rog enters the avatar body of Syd and returns to the mid-1980s to duke it out with Dave, Nick and Rick in the far flung reaches of the dark side of the moon.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg183%2Fcarve037%2Ffull_of_win.jpg&hash=7430810d99e107046e7b8f72a0330d33e92a53de)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:10:24 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:10:24 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 07:21:44 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:04:01 AMThe idea that you might actually think I was being serious perplexes me.
Ah. So no wonder everybody started snapping up when I posted that.
Apparently I don't understand humor very well as these sort of things happen and nobody ever laughs at my jokes. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 10, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 10, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
You'll learn.
In time.
In time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 10, 2010, 07:49:43 PM
Mmmmmmdon'tholdyourbreath.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 03:10:24 PMNot it's not that exactly, it's just you don't understand mine; a common dilemma between.Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 10, 2010, 07:21:44 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 10, 2010, 07:04:01 AMThe idea that you might actually think I was being serious perplexes me.
Ah. So no wonder everybody started snapping up when I posted that.
Apparently I don't understand humor very well
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
Here's a deleted scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws)
Spoiler
I think it depicts Neyteiri pregnant with Jake's child.
[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 05:56:05 PMO.O
Here's a deleted scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws)Spoiler
I think it depicts Neyteiri pregnant with Jake's child.[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:16:20 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 06:04:07 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 05:56:05 PMO.O
Here's a deleted scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws)Spoiler
I think it depicts Neyteiri pregnant with Jake's child.[close]
OH MY!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
What? Was I the only one who thought that it could be a possibility in the sequel that Neyteiri was pregnant with Jake's child due to their mating in the middle of the film?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:18:24 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:17:24 PMProbably.
What? Was I the only one who thought that it could be a possibility in the sequel that Neyteiri was pregnant with Jake's child due to their mating in the middle of the film?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:21:04 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:21:04 PM
Wow. I'm the only guy who has any imagination. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:21:04 PMMost of us, didn't think of the matter.
Wow. I'm the only guy who has any imagination. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
I like Avatar, but now I'm getting confused about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
I know, the Na'vi should have had 3 sets of limbs just like the rest of the creatures on Pandora.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
I like Avatar, but now I'm getting confused about it.
How so? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:50 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
They're clearly mammals or, at least, very close to them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
I know, the Na'vi should have had 3 sets of limbs just like the rest of the creatures on Pandora.Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
I like Avatar, but now I'm getting confused about it.
How so? ???
WHat the Hell is a new womb?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:50 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
They're clearly mammals or, at least, very close to them.
I don't know about that.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:27:42 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PMQuote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 12, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
I like Avatar, but now I'm getting confused about it.
How so? ???
WHat the Hell is a new womb?
A new womb? What are you talking about? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:31:43 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PMThat's been... hurr, explained.
I know, the Na'vi should have had 3 sets of limbs just like the rest of the creatures on Pandora.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100108172056%2Fjamescameronsavatar%2Fde%2Fimages%2F4%2F46%2FProlemuris.jpg&hash=d5b8e1bd6e9bb65588d3c3d0a4b69253f7be021c)
Lame ass explanation, that doesn't even explain why they have an exact same way to mate, have hair (when none of the creatures have any kind of fur, or hair), and now have an exact same womb.
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:50 PMBrah. I don't like that you tried to get the other things as Alien as possible and then the Na'vi turn out to be "simple" blue cat people. I mean, think of the possibilities.
They're clearly mammals or, at least, very close to them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
I don't know about that.
Hair, warm blood, breasts, they look exactly like really tall blue humans...they sure aren't Tauntauns.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
Essentially they are just really, really tall, blue humans. There really isnt much difference other than that. Sure their faces are a bit different and they have tails but essentially they are very human like indeed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 12, 2010, 10:18:29 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 12, 2010, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:31:43 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PMThat's been... hurr, explained.
I know, the Na'vi should have had 3 sets of limbs just like the rest of the creatures on Pandora.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100108172056%2Fjamescameronsavatar%2Fde%2Fimages%2F4%2F46%2FProlemuris.jpg&hash=d5b8e1bd6e9bb65588d3c3d0a4b69253f7be021c)
Lame ass explanation, that doesn't even explain why they have an exact same way to mate, have hair (when none of the creatures have any kind of fur, or hair), and now have an exact same womb.
It's a perfect explanation. The Prolemuris looks like it has some hair appearing on it's head in that photo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:23:03 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:23:03 PM
What explanation?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:23:03 PM
What explanation?
That's what I'm wondering.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 12, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 12, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 10:25:54 PMQuote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:23:03 PM
What explanation?
That's what I'm wondering.
For why every animal has two forearms and two hind legs and the Na'vi only have two arms and two legs. The Prolemuris arms are fusing at the elbow and have hair on their heads which explains the evolution of the Na'vi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 10:38:25 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 10:38:25 PM
Ah, that wasn't well explained in the previous post.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Why did people need an explanation for a fictional creatures evolution on a fictional planet full of fictional flora and fauna. Sigh. Can people not just watch films for entertainment without being so damn subjective. I really cant believe the level of scrutiny some films get these days. Unless its going for hard facts and realism fine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 12, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 12, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Why did people need an explanation for a fictional creatures evolution on a fictional planet full of fictional flora and fauna. Sigh. Can people not just watch films for entertainment without being so damn subjective. I really cant believe the level of scrutiny some films get these days. Unless its going for hard facts and realism fine.
Thank you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Because its a freaking Sci-fi. NOTHING can be left without an explanation. thats the whole point of sci-fi; to create plausible fantastic stories using technology and science as a medium instead of magic hokus pokus bullshit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 11:05:11 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Why did people need an explanation for a fictional creatures evolution on a fictional planet full of fictional flora and fauna. Sigh. Can people not just watch films for entertainment without being so damn subjective. I really cant believe the level of scrutiny some films get these days. Unless its going for hard facts and realism fine.
I'm not exactly complaining about it and I've been saying what you're saying many times myself. This was just an anomaly to me, but I was perfectly fine just ignoring it by logically finding some explanation that seems to fit; like I have been doing for the AVP EU anomalies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Because its a freaking Sci-fi. NOTHING can be left without an explanation. thats the whole point of sci-fi; to create plausible fantastic stories using technology and science as a medium instead of magic hokus pokus bullshit.
What he said. You can't create fiction based on science, without borrowing from real elements.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Because its a freaking Sci-fi. NOTHING can be left without an explanation. thats the whole point of sci-fi; to create plausible fantastic stories using technology and science as a medium instead of magic hokus pokus bullshit.
Bollocks. people didnt and dont scrutinize Star Wars, The Fifth Element, Transformers, Stargate, Independence Day etc etc. Theyre Sci-Fi and if you looked at them too much you could tear them apart. The clue is in the Sci-Fi. FICTION. If its a Sci-Fi that is going for hard facts and trying to be as realistic as possible then yes its understandable to debate such things but when its a Sci-Fi that leans more to the fiction side of things for entertainment its pointless.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:06:28 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Because its a freaking Sci-fi. NOTHING can be left without an explanation. thats the whole point of sci-fi; to create plausible fantastic stories using technology and science as a medium instead of magic hokus pokus bullshit.
What he said. You can't create fiction based on science, without borrowing from real elements.
So on that basis Star Wars isnt Sci-Fi? Thats quite frankly a ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
QuoteStar Wars, The Fifth Element, Transformers, Stargate, Independence Day etc etc.
all those movies had either fantastic elements or just plain sucked.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
So on that basis Star Wars isnt Sci-Fi? Thats quite frankly a ridiculous statement.
I didn't say that. I was reaffirming chupa's statement by stating that it isn't science-fiction without borrowing elements from science, which is very real. There has to be an explanation for what you see on screen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:20:12 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
So on that basis Star Wars isnt Sci-Fi? Thats quite frankly a ridiculous statement.
Star Wars isn't sci-fi. It's fantasy that happens in space. It's a story that happened along time ago about a farmboy who meets a wizard, gets his father's magic sword, saves the Princess from the evil kingdom and then blows up their castle with proton torpedoes. The Star Wars films aren't science fiction in the least, that's what makes the series so timeless and unique.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction)
Not even going to attempt to argue with these quite frankly ridiculous statements. A sci-fi only needs to be a sci-fi by taking one scientific idea and using that to make a work of FICTION. Some Sci-Fi's obviously are alot more plausible than others and some take something simple like the idea of space travel and use that to create a fantasy world like Star Wars. Sure its fantasy i wont argue with that, but to also argue that a film which features space travel isnt a sci-fi is baffling to me and nothing anybody is going to say is going to change my mind.
Not even going to attempt to argue with these quite frankly ridiculous statements. A sci-fi only needs to be a sci-fi by taking one scientific idea and using that to make a work of FICTION. Some Sci-Fi's obviously are alot more plausible than others and some take something simple like the idea of space travel and use that to create a fantasy world like Star Wars. Sure its fantasy i wont argue with that, but to also argue that a film which features space travel isnt a sci-fi is baffling to me and nothing anybody is going to say is going to change my mind.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:32:11 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 12, 2010, 11:32:11 PM
define "scientific Idea"
i can make an study on turd-shape variations with scientific method and it will be science. in fact, it has been done.
i can make an study on turd-shape variations with scientific method and it will be science. in fact, it has been done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
The space travel in Star Wars is more like naval warfare than anything physically plausible in that environment. Sound in space, explosions in space, all the objects are on the same horizontal plane--hell, in Empire they climb out of the Falcon and walk around in total vacuum wearing nothing but gas masks. There's as much scientific speculation in Star Wars as there is in the collected works of J.R.R Tolkien, and that's the fun part. Don't pretend something is there when it's not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
FICTION. Its fantasy based on science, and the key word is BASED. Space travel is possible, Star Wars is a work of fiction which uses that notion and takes it further. Thats what Sci-Fi is. To say it isnt sci-fi is baffling to me and so theres no point in trying to change my mind.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 12, 2010, 11:38:25 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 12, 2010, 11:38:25 PM
:D
We're talking about the scientific depth of Avatar. :D
We're talking about the scientific depth of Avatar. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:41:56 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:41:56 PM
Of course, now I understand. In War and Peace the characters don't fly through the air, meaning the story contains gravity, which is a scientific idea. However, War and Peace is a work of fiction. Thus, War and Peace is science fiction.
Don't worry about it, dude.
Don't worry about it, dude.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:48:51 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 12, 2010, 11:38:25 PM
:D
We're talking about the scientific depth of Avatar. :D
There isnt any beyond the idea of the Avatar program itself which combines both science and fantasy in one swoop. the science part is the cloning and the fantasy is being able to let your mind go into the Avatar and control it.
Thats why I dont think theres a hard answer in terms of things like is it a sci-fi or is it a fantasy. To me its a fantasty in a Sci-Fi setting. Still Sci-Fi but leaning more toward fantasy. Same with Star Wars. While I disagree its not Sci-Fi at all, Star Wars fits the fantasy definition perfectly. theres a group of heroes, villains, good versus evil, princess in distress, monsters, creatures, battles. The only difference is the setting and that is a sci-fi setting. Its the setting alone that makes star wars a sci-fi and everything or almost everything else is fantasy. Same with Avatar. But theyre still sci-fi nonetheless. Just not focusing on the sci-fi as a part of the plot like Moon or 2001.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:41:56 PM
Of course, now I understand. In War and Peace the characters don't fly through the air, meaning the story contains gravity, which is a scientific idea. However, War and Peace is a work of fiction. Thus, War and Peace is science fiction.
Don't worry about it, dude.
I'm not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
People generally associate science fiction with space travel and aliens no matter what. I'm one of those people, but it's not any trouble for me to realize that there isn't any real science involved (Star Wars). I can tell the difference between true science fiction (Battlestar Galactica), and something like Star Wars.
As for Avatar, you get the sense that there could be a deeper level of science in these things with stuff like the AMP suit, the cryo sleep, and whatever, but really it does come across as a fantasy story.
As for Avatar, you get the sense that there could be a deeper level of science in these things with stuff like the AMP suit, the cryo sleep, and whatever, but really it does come across as a fantasy story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 01:46:58 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 01:46:58 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
I can tell the difference between true science fiction (Battlestar Galactica), and something like Star Wars.
The terms are hard and soft science-fiction. There's no such thing as "true." Avatar falls into the latter category.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:11:53 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:11:53 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 01:46:58 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
I can tell the difference between true science fiction (Battlestar Galactica), and something like Star Wars.
The terms are hard and soft science-fiction. There's no such thing as "true." Avatar falls into the latter category.
Thankyou. Both of you. Voices of reason. And for the record I notice Sharp Sticks has Serenity in his Top 10 Sci-Fi films yet it contains no more elements of a Sc-Fi than Star Wars does, and Doomrulz actually has Star Wars in his list. To then come into this thread and argue it cant be counted as Sci-Fi at all, in any way, is extremely hypocritical after posting them and other films similar, as amongst their favourite Sci-Fi ???
Boooooooooom!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:13:05 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:13:05 AM
I still thought that Avatar was pretty bad as far as sci-fi goes, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:20:42 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:11:53 AM
Thankyou. Both of you. Voices of reason. And for the record I notice Sharp Sticks has Serenity in his Top 10 Sci-Fi films yet it contains no more elements of a Sc-Fi than Star Wars does, and Doomrulz actually has Star Wars in his list. To then come into this thread and argue it cant be counted as Sci-Fi at all, in any way, is extremely hypocritical after posting them and other films similar, as amongst their favourite Sci-Fi ???
Boooooooooom!
Firefly/Serenity certainly had elements of science fiction. It was a story about a futuristic society and an extrapolation of where our culture is today, specifically history repeating itself. And there's plenty of psuedoscience gobbledeegook throughout that series, even if it's far from hard sci-fi.
Star Wars, on the other hand, happened a long time ago. That's the difference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:13:05 AM
I still thought that Avatar was pretty bad as far as sci-fi goes, though.
It was. Thing is though its not trying to be Sci-Fi. Neither was Star Wars really. They both took an age old story and used Sci-Fi for the setting.
Hard Sci-Fi as you call it usually puts the science at the forefront of the plot and it becomes a device that moves the story along rather than the story being the excuse for the Sci-Fi. Did that make sense?
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:20:42 AMQuote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:11:53 AM
Thankyou. Both of you. Voices of reason. And for the record I notice Sharp Sticks has Serenity in his Top 10 Sci-Fi films yet it contains no more elements of a Sc-Fi than Star Wars does, and Doomrulz actually has Star Wars in his list. To then come into this thread and argue it cant be counted as Sci-Fi at all, in any way, is extremely hypocritical after posting them and other films similar, as amongst their favourite Sci-Fi ???
Boooooooooom!
Firefly/Serenity certainly had elements of science fiction. It was a story about a futuristic society and an extrapolation of where our culture is today, specifically history repeating itself. And there's plenty of psuedoscience gobbledeegook throughout that series, even if it's far from hard sci-fi.
Star Wars, on the other hand, happened a long time ago. That's the difference.
Agreed but Firefly is to Westerns what Star Wars is to fantasy films. Ones fantasy in a Sci-Fi setting and ones a western in a Sci-Fi setting. The sci-fi isnt really at the forefront of either. Its just the backdrop for the stories and characters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:29:17 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:29:17 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:13:05 AM
I still thought that Avatar was pretty bad as far as sci-fi goes, though.
It was. Thing is though its not trying to be Sci-Fi. Neither was Star Wars really. They both took an age old story and used Sci-Fi for the setting.
Hard Sci-Fi as you call it usually puts the science at the forefront of the plot and it becomes a device that moves the story along rather than the story being the excuse for the Sci-Fi. Did that make sense?
I think so...
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Agreed but Firefly is to Westerns what Star Wars is to fantasy films. Ones fantasy in a Sci-Fi setting and ones a western in a Sci-Fi setting. The sci-fi isnt really at the forefront of either. Its just the backdrop for the stories and characters.
Western in space? I really gotta check this show out...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:30:54 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:30:54 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Agreed but Firefly is to Westerns what Star Wars is to fantasy films. Ones fantasy in a Sci-Fi setting and ones a western in a Sci-Fi setting. The sci-fi isnt really at the forefront of either. Its just the backdrop for the stories and characters.
Granted. Doesn't really matter, they're both the best things ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:42:09 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:42:09 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 13, 2010, 02:30:54 AMQuote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Agreed but Firefly is to Westerns what Star Wars is to fantasy films. Ones fantasy in a Sci-Fi setting and ones a western in a Sci-Fi setting. The sci-fi isnt really at the forefront of either. Its just the backdrop for the stories and characters.
Granted. Doesn't really matter, they're both the best things ever.
Agreed.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:29:17 AMQuote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 02:13:05 AM
I still thought that Avatar was pretty bad as far as sci-fi goes, though.
It was. Thing is though its not trying to be Sci-Fi. Neither was Star Wars really. They both took an age old story and used Sci-Fi for the setting.
Hard Sci-Fi as you call it usually puts the science at the forefront of the plot and it becomes a device that moves the story along rather than the story being the excuse for the Sci-Fi. Did that make sense?
I think so...Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 02:27:55 AM
Agreed but Firefly is to Westerns what Star Wars is to fantasy films. Ones fantasy in a Sci-Fi setting and ones a western in a Sci-Fi setting. The sci-fi isnt really at the forefront of either. Its just the backdrop for the stories and characters.
Western in space? I really gotta check this show out...
Damn youve never seen Firefly or Serenity? You're in for a treat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_iFqN85Bio#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_iFqN85Bio#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLv_GTmAbEE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLv_GTmAbEE#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2010, 04:45:56 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2010, 04:45:56 AM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction)
Not even going to attempt to argue with these quite frankly ridiculous statements. A sci-fi only needs to be a sci-fi by taking one scientific idea and using that to make a work of FICTION. Some Sci-Fi's obviously are alot more plausible than others and some take something simple like the idea of space travel and use that to create a fantasy world like Star Wars. Sure its fantasy i wont argue with that, but to also argue that a film which features space travel isnt a sci-fi is baffling to me and nothing anybody is going to say is going to change my mind.
This is exactly what I was conveying to you but if you needed Wikipedia to assure yourself, hey, at least you know now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Keg, I love when you post stuff so that I dont need to. ;)
Battlestar Galactica has some heavy sci fi elements that are quickly established so that you dont need to think too far into it later (example FTL travel), and then that element can be used as a plot device in the overall dramatic presentation. It still remain completely character driven. Yet there will always be those scientific astrological mentions that will leave me scratching my head and SpaceMarines with a boner.
I too am looking forward to picking up Firefly and Serenity, it looks awesome. Nathan Fillion.. where can you go wrong.
Battlestar Galactica has some heavy sci fi elements that are quickly established so that you dont need to think too far into it later (example FTL travel), and then that element can be used as a plot device in the overall dramatic presentation. It still remain completely character driven. Yet there will always be those scientific astrological mentions that will leave me scratching my head and SpaceMarines with a boner.
I too am looking forward to picking up Firefly and Serenity, it looks awesome. Nathan Fillion.. where can you go wrong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 13, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 13, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
I too am looking forward to picking up Firefly and Serenity, it looks awesome. Nathan Fillion.. where can you go wrong.
Joss Whedon. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 11:41:32 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 11:41:32 AM
Dont think I've seen any of his stuff so I'll reserve my judgement.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 13, 2010, 11:44:59 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 13, 2010, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 11:41:32 AM
Dont think I've seen any of his stuff so I'll reserve my judgement.
Alien resurrection, was his newborn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 13, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 13, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
I like Firefly for the most part. I may bash Whedon as much as the next guy, but I'd be lying if I said I thought he was incapable of doing anything good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
I like Firefly for the most part. I may bash Whedon as much as the next guy, but I'd be lying if I said I thought he was incapable of doing anything good.
Same here. I dont care for anything else hes done and i havnt seen his current work Dollhouse. I picked up Serenity one day and absolutely loved it and when i found out there was an entire tv series set before it I had to check it out.
How can you go wrong with Nathan Fillion as a badass Han Solo type character and Adam Baldwin as the gun obsessed Jayne Cobb. And Alan Tudyk as a geeky pilot ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 13, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 13, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 12, 2010, 11:20:12 PMQuote from: Keg on Nov 12, 2010, 11:07:57 PMStar Wars isn't sci-fi. It's fantasy that happens in space. It's a story that happened along time ago about a farmboy who meets a wizard, gets his father's magic sword, saves the Princess from the evil kingdom and then blows up their castle with proton torpedoes. The Star Wars films aren't science fiction in the least, that's what makes the series so timeless and unique.
So on that basis Star Wars isnt Sci-Fi? Thats quite frankly a ridiculous statement.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.struff.com%2Fvbulletin%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2FQFT.gif&hash=41bb50d6e5e6550a72f38387c6b03363b071ea1f)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 13, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 13, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Yet there will always be those scientific astrological mentions that will leave me scratching my head and SpaceMarines with a boner.
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 05:23:29 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 05:23:29 PM
Boys, I'm not saying I need an explanation for Na'vi to look like what they do, I'm simply saying I would have preferred something... more original, considering the fauna is composed by such great and original beasties.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
theyre not that original. youve got dogs/wolves, big cats, rhinos, horses. theyve just added extra limbs. theyre not that different really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PMExcept that they are far more deadly than Earth animals.
theyre not that original. youve got dogs/wolves, big cats, rhinos, horses. theyve just added extra limbs. theyre not that different really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
are they? the dog things came across as exactly that. everything else was only percieved as being more deadly because it was bigger than an earth counteroart. The Thanator for example. Would it really be any more deadly than a tiger if it was the same size of one?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 05:50:25 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:48:48 PMI think it would be deadlier.
are they? the dog things came across as exactly that. everything else was only percieved as being more deadly because it was bigger than an earth counteroart. The Thanator for example. Would it really be any more deadly than a tiger if it was the same size of one?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 06:01:35 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 06:01:35 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PMOh, nope. ;)
theyre not that original.
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2Fjgppgm.jpg&hash=ca42494d5e6319424f5c71c3edeb9acd0b9cb8eb)
youve got dogs/wolves, big cats, rhinos, horses. theyve just added extra limbs. theyre not that different really.
Tigers or [insert big cat here] don't have a partly exposed skull, needle like teeth, skin flappers or Goddamn frills (Not to sound angry, I just wanted to say Goddamn frills 'cos it sounded so cool. :P).
Same for the other critters. They awake the feel for earth creatures with their actions and behaviour - but when it comes to actual phisical aspects - nope, there's not much similarity. For example upon seeing the Thanator I was all but convinced that it was supposed to be the "big cat" of Pandora, or that the Viperwolf was supposed to be the... wolf. It looked more like some kind of twisted Monitor Lizard to me.
The most obvious creature is maybe the Direhorse, because they didn't put anything Alien in it, But then again who cares for the Direhorses when there's the Leonopteryx!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeykex.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2Fgreat-leonopteryx1.jpg&hash=de7a0332d8bd1cdc198c26de7ccacca36038b8dd)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 06:06:12 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 13, 2010, 06:06:12 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 06:01:35 PMQuote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PMOh, nope. ;)
theyre not that original.Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PMhttp://i47.tinypic.com/jgppgm.jpg
youve got dogs/wolves, big cats, rhinos, horses. theyve just added extra limbs. theyre not that different really.
Tigers or [insert big cat here] don't have a partly exposed skull, needle like teeth, skin flappers or Goddamn frills (Not to sound angry, I just wanted to say Goddamn frills 'cos it sounded so cool. :P).
Same for the other critters. They awake the feel for earth creatures with their actions and behaviour - but when it comes to actual phisical aspects - nope, there's not much similarity. For example upon seeing the Thanator I was all but convinced that it was supposed to be the "big cat" of Pandora, or that the Viperwolf was supposed to be the... wolf. It looked more like some kind of twisted Monitor Lizard to me.
The most obvious creature is maybe the Direhorse, because they didn't put anything Alien in it, But then again who cares for the Direhorses when there's the Leonopteryx!8)Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeykex.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2Fgreat-leonopteryx1.jpg&hash=de7a0332d8bd1cdc198c26de7ccacca36038b8dd)[close]
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2010, 06:13:54 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2010, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
theyre not that original. youve got dogs/wolves, big cats, rhinos, horses. theyve just added extra limbs. theyre not that different really.
Don't forget too, the sound effects from the animals are ripped off from other movies too. There's even more originality.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 13, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
The sound has nothing to do with the design itself.
The Moorwen has a great design, yet it has the "generic" roar used in countless other films.
The Moorwen has a great design, yet it has the "generic" roar used in countless other films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2010, 06:19:34 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2010, 06:19:34 PM
I still don't understand why Cameron stole sounds from Jurassic Park. All the supposed creativity, time, and effort to create a world we've never seen, and he can't even get his sound designers to create original sounds. I don't get it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 06:24:32 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 13, 2010, 06:24:32 PM
Yeah the old lion and an elephant make a T-Rex sound ;D
Love that sound. And that other one when it roars and it sounds really gravelly. Awesome haha
Love that sound. And that other one when it roars and it sounds really gravelly. Awesome haha
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 13, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 13, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
I know some of you may already know about this, but just in case you don't; here're some pics of Aliens born from Pandoran creatures:
http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-avatar/672/1/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-avatar/672/1/)
Here's a pic of a Na'vi Alien.
http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-hybrids/668/5/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-hybrids/668/5/)
http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-avatar/672/1/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-avatar/672/1/)
Here's a pic of a Na'vi Alien.
http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-hybrids/668/5/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/gallery/alien-hybrids/668/5/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 13, 2010, 07:39:43 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 13, 2010, 07:39:43 PM
they have been posted in the freaking front page...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 13, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 13, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2010, 06:19:34 PM
I still don't understand why Cameron stole sounds from Jurassic Park.
I'm pretty sure character sounds are a public domain since Godzilla's roar is used a lot in tv shows, and movies for example.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 13, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 13, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 13, 2010, 07:39:43 PM
they have been posted in the freaking front page...
Sorry, then. Didn't see there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:29:36 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 13, 2010, 06:19:34 PM
I still don't understand why Cameron stole sounds from Jurassic Park. All the supposed creativity, time, and effort to create a world we've never seen, and he can't even get his sound designers to create original sounds. I don't get it.
$235 million and they couldn't afford a sound designer...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
I know. It's amazing, right? :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:48:26 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:48:26 AM
Not really actually when you consider Cameron didn't put any money into getting a serious script writer, so go figure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 12:50:52 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 12:50:52 AM
The movie would have been so much better if it had its own unique animal sounds. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 12:52:52 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 12:52:52 AM
I'd say if it had had it's own unique characters and plot, personally.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 01:12:10 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 01:12:10 AM
Yeah, but the classic T-Rex roar from Jurassic Park kinda ruined it for me for the scenes that used it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:34:21 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:34:21 AM
I don't see why people are making a big deal if he uses other movie sounds. You see people do it all the time with Godzilla's roar, and no one bitches about that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 14, 2010, 02:37:05 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 14, 2010, 02:37:05 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2010, 02:34:21 AM
I don't see why people are making a big deal if he uses other movie sounds. You see people do it all the time with Godzilla's roar, and no one bitches about that.
I don't on here anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 02:39:46 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 02:39:46 AM
So I was right in thinking that it was the T-Rex roar! I knew I recognized it! Doesn't add/subtract from the film, but cool to know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:42:17 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:42:17 AM
Afterall its not like studios reuses the same sound effects over and over again ::).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 02:47:56 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 02:47:56 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2010, 02:42:17 AM
Afterall its not like studios reuses the same sound effects over and over again ::).
That would never happen. Hollywood is so open to fresh ideas today. They understand that 50 year old movies actually don't need sequels, that remakes are in fact pointless, and that the audience prefers great storytelling over special effects. That's why they never fail to please. They know what their audience wants, and as a result, they make money due to their new, creative ideas, Hollywood isn't afraid to take a chance and do something different, because they know endless sequels and reboots are not the way to go. Gotta love modern cinema!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:57:19 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 02:57:19 AM
Movie stuidos reuse the same sound effects, and other movie clips a lot. So using using JP roars is nothing new at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 03:00:31 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2010, 03:00:31 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2010, 02:57:19 AMYeah, I know :P My above post was completely sarcasm :P
Movie stuidos reuse the same sound effects, and other movie clips a lot. So using using JP roars is nothing new at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 03:21:13 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 03:21:13 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2010, 02:34:21 AM
I don't see why people are making a big deal if he uses other movie sounds. You see people do it all the time with Godzilla's roar, and no one bitches about that.
I don't cause I don't feel the effort to do so. The reason I'm doing so now is cause I was responding to a post about it that somebody else made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 03:21:48 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 03:21:48 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2010, 02:34:21 AMIt's usually done as a joke, like a Willhelm scream.
You see people do it all the time with Godzilla's roar, and no one bitches about that.
Reusing sounds are common, but when you're spending 235 million on a movie, try at least having one original sound.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Bad Replicant on Nov 14, 2010, 04:31:34 AM
Post by: Bad Replicant on Nov 14, 2010, 04:31:34 AM
Some of the people in the sound design department on Avatar also worked on Jurassic Park. Who knows, maybe at some point some of the JP sounds were part of a temp mix and Cameron liked them enough to keep them in.
A bit off topic: A few days ago I was watching Goldeneye and realized it features many of the same explosion sound effects used in Aliens when the AP station is melting down. Sure enough, it was another case of some of the same sound design team working on both films.
A bit off topic: A few days ago I was watching Goldeneye and realized it features many of the same explosion sound effects used in Aliens when the AP station is melting down. Sure enough, it was another case of some of the same sound design team working on both films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 05:18:18 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 05:18:18 AM
There are only so many explosion sounds, reusing stock explosion effects makes sense. Cameron took iconic creature sounds and used them for his creatures.
And SiL is right, most of the time sound effects are used because it serves as a joke. Wilhelm scream is not the same thing as reusing the T-rex roar.
The only time Godzilla's roar has been reused is for Godzilla or a joke.
And SiL is right, most of the time sound effects are used because it serves as a joke. Wilhelm scream is not the same thing as reusing the T-rex roar.
The only time Godzilla's roar has been reused is for Godzilla or a joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 05:19:25 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 05:19:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio#)
Gotta love Wilhelm.
Gotta love Wilhelm.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 05:36:03 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 05:36:03 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 05:18:18 AM
The only time Godzilla's roar has been reused is for Godzilla or a joke.
Godzilla's roar has been used in a good amount of Super Robot anime series like Mazinger Z, and most of the Ultraman series. Biollante roar was later reused in Ringu 2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 07:17:06 AM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 07:17:06 AM
So other Toho series. Not surprising. Toho did that all the time. Yet no mainstream films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 14, 2010, 07:24:13 AM
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 14, 2010, 07:24:13 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 05:19:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio#)
Gotta love Wilhelm.
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Bad Replicant on Nov 14, 2010, 07:54:22 AM
Post by: Bad Replicant on Nov 14, 2010, 07:54:22 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 05:18:18 AM
There are only so many explosion sounds, reusing stock explosion effects makes sense. Cameron took iconic creature sounds and used them for his creatures.
I see the difference. Just saying those crackly 'splosion sounds leaped out at me because I've watched Aliens way, way too many times. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 08:22:42 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 08:22:42 AM
Alien and Aliens used a lot of generic door open/close sounds that can be heard in movies like Moonraker.
The odd sound is fine. There are only so many variations to a door sliding open, an explosion going off, etc. But I can't think of a single monster roar that wasn't from somewhere else in Avatar. Even the flying guys used the old school T-Rex scream from The Land Before Time and We're Back!.
The odd sound is fine. There are only so many variations to a door sliding open, an explosion going off, etc. But I can't think of a single monster roar that wasn't from somewhere else in Avatar. Even the flying guys used the old school T-Rex scream from The Land Before Time and We're Back!.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 08:26:40 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 08:26:40 AM
Don't really care about some monster screams, to be honest. Especially from The Land Before Time or We're Back! Hardly everybody's point of reference, unless you're well accustomed to these sounds.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
For a supposedly revolutionary movie -- a technologically revolutionary movie -- it was f**king lazy. Just like the big blue Jupiter right at the beginning.
It wouldn't have been an issue if the rest of the flick hadn't fell so short for me.
It wouldn't have been an issue if the rest of the flick hadn't fell so short for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 08:38:04 AMNo, I get ya. But I think Horner's score was more of an issue than the beast noises, personally.
For a supposedly revolutionary movie -- a technologically revolutionary movie -- it was f**king lazy. Just like the big blue Jupiter right at the beginning.
It wouldn't have been an issue if the rest of the flick hadn't fell so short for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 14, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 14, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
No, I get ya. But I think Horner's score was more of an issue than the beast noises, personally.
Horner's entire career has consisted of him remixing his score from Battle Beyond the Stars. He's a solid composer, but you can't expect anything new from the guy.
For the record, Avatar was the sappy tribal remix.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 14, 2010, 05:35:35 PMI was watching a movie, can't remember which, and I heard a very distinctive cue I remembered from Horner's Troy score [for reference, the tune that plays when Achilles drags Hector's body]. Turned out Horner had done both scores. D'oh! When he's good, he's great, but it's getting rarer.Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
No, I get ya. But I think Horner's score was more of an issue than the beast noises, personally.
Horner's entire career has consisted of him remixing his score from Battle Beyond the Stars. He's a solid composer, but you can't expect anything new from the guy.
For the record, Avatar was the sappy tribal remix.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 14, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 14, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
Seriously. Check this out. Try from 2:28 on this track...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsRGnJXQk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsRGnJXQk#)
...and around five minutes exactly on this track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKss7_QzYI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKss7_QzYI#)
Funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsRGnJXQk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsRGnJXQk#)
...and around five minutes exactly on this track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKss7_QzYI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKss7_QzYI#)
Funny stuff.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 14, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 14, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
thats been know for long, infact Horner himself said he borrowed some Cues.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sso02V on Nov 14, 2010, 07:59:59 PM
Post by: Sso02V on Nov 14, 2010, 07:59:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
Here's a deleted scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVVxuasOQk#ws)Spoiler
I think it depicts Neyteiri pregnant with Jake's child.[close]
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
What? Was I the only one who thought that it could be a possibility in the sequel that Neyteiri was pregnant with Jake's child due to their mating in the middle of the film?
Frankly I'm just surprised they're genetically compatible, seeing as one is a clone with human DNA integrated into it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 08:02:59 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 14, 2010, 08:02:59 PM
Good point, but this sort of thing is quite cliched in many movies so it does seem kinda obvious that it would happen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 14, 2010, 08:07:46 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 14, 2010, 08:07:46 PM
The Human Dna is there only to connect minds an-
frak, I am even trying to explain this.
frak, I am even trying to explain this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AMLordy. The only stuff I could remember half an hour later was what he took from Aliens/Wrath of Khan/Etc.
But I think Horner's score was more of an issue than the beast noises, personally.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 09:17:49 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 14, 2010, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Nov 14, 2010, 07:17:06 AM
So other Toho series. Not surprising. Toho did that all the time. Yet no mainstream films.
They used the American Godzilla's roar for the Dragon in Enchanted ;).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 14, 2010, 11:03:29 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 14, 2010, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 14, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
thats been know for long, infact Horner himself said he borrowed some Cues.
Practically every cue of the Aliens soundtrack is based on ST 2, 3 and Battle Beyond The Stars.
As for sfx in Avatar - the animals weren't bad - just incredibly generic and unmemorable.
I've been sound editing a Star Wars fan film for the last couple of months and re-using the same dozen explosion noises over and over. You can muck around with quite a lot though, by changing pitch and speed. Speaking of which I created my own dinosaur noise for another flick, by sampling the Second Born screaming from an old home movie. Muck around with the pitch and speed - hey presto dinosaur scream. Imagine if I had an actual budget? (I often do - imagine that is).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 15, 2010, 01:29:04 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 15, 2010, 01:29:04 AM
You made a dino flick??
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 15, 2010, 01:54:57 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Nov 15, 2010, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 14, 2010, 11:03:29 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 14, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
thats been know for long, infact Horner himself said he borrowed some Cues.
Practically every cue of the Aliens soundtrack is based on ST 2, 3 and Battle Beyond The Stars.
As for sfx in Avatar - the animals weren't bad - just incredibly generic and unmemorable.
I've been sound editing a Star Wars fan film
is it Dark Calling?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
No.
A short one of the CG dinosaur chasing the First Born and the dog around a park.
QuoteYou made a dino flick??
A short one of the CG dinosaur chasing the First Born and the dog around a park.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:02:07 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:02:07 AM
How many of us would be interested in seeing a 4-hr long version of the film with all the deleted scenes fixed and added in? I would. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
I'd probably do this to myself out of sheer boredom.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:05:21 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:05:21 AM
Seconded. It was too long in it's theatrical cut.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: TheMonolith on Nov 15, 2010, 02:05:34 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on Nov 15, 2010, 02:05:34 AM
I'd do that too, but because I would be laughing so hard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 15, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 15, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
I would do that too, with my bare hands.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:11:15 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:11:15 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
http://popculture4fun.com/images/sam_neill_event_horizon.jpg
OOOOOAAAAH
I'm ashamed to say I'd probably sit through a four hour cut, if only to binge on Saldana and make Philip K. Dick-esque observations after the two hour mark. And I'd probably play The Wall over all the talking bits.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:13:41 AM
Ooh, yeah. Bring some Floyd. That'd make it bearable, actually.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
So I guess many of us won't be seeing the 3-hr cut that will be coming out this week. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:15:49 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:15:49 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:17:14 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:17:14 AM
I'm going to have to at some point, whether I like it or not. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I will watch anything with Zoe Saldana in it. Even if it's terrible. Even if she's bad in it. I just can't stay away. It's something primordial.
I should see a doctor.
I should see a doctor.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 15, 2010, 02:17:57 AM
Post by: Geronimo on Nov 15, 2010, 02:17:57 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
So I guess many of us won't be seeing the 3-hr cut that will be coming out this week. :P
Nope.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:17:14 AM
I'm going to have to at some point, whether I like it or not. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I will watch anything with Zoe Saldana in it. Even if it's terrible. Even if she's bad in it. I just can't stay away. It's something primordial.
I should see a doctor.
Just look at a picture of her for a few hours.
You'll get the same thing out of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:19:05 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:19:05 AM
You sound like my conscience. If only I could listen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:21:20 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:21:20 AM
You can. You must.
Seriously, a picture would be better. Wouldn't have those weird ears, the nose, or blue skin.
Seriously, a picture would be better. Wouldn't have those weird ears, the nose, or blue skin.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:21 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:21 AM
You're so right. But I just can't switch off.
*cue Simon Pegg--who was in Star Trek with Z--damnit Sticks!*
*cue Simon Pegg--who was in Star Trek with Z--damnit Sticks!*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:47 AM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:47 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
So I guess many of us won't be seeing the 3-hr cut that will be coming out this week. :P
*yawn*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:30:41 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:30:41 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:21 AM
You're so right. But I just can't switch off.
*cue Simon Pegg--who was in Star Trek with Z--damnit Sticks!*
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:31:48 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:31:48 AM
I'm going to watch the 3-hr cut that going to be on the Collector's Extended Edition; my only disappointment with that version is that it isn't the 4-hr cut that has all the deleted scenes fixed and inserted in it.
Don't. It's nothing to be ashamed about if you watch a 3 or even a 4-hr cut of the highest grossing movie so far. All of us here have seen both editions of each Alien film and maybe each AVP film, right? 8) :P
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:29:21 AM
You're so right. But I just can't switch off.
*cue Simon Pegg--who was in Star Trek with Z--damnit Sticks!*
Don't. It's nothing to be ashamed about if you watch a 3 or even a 4-hr cut of the highest grossing movie so far. All of us here have seen both editions of each Alien film and maybe each AVP film, right? 8) :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:33:34 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:33:34 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:31:48 AM
It's nothing to be ashamed about if you watch a 3 or even a 4-hr cut of the highest grossing movie so far.
*ahem*
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm (http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:35:27 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:35:27 AM
Fine, Avatar is the highest in some area that I don't remember. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:37:02 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 15, 2010, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:33:34 AMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:31:48 AM
It's nothing to be ashamed about if you watch a 3 or even a 4-hr cut of the highest grossing movie so far.
*ahem*
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm (http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:41:50 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2010, 02:41:50 AM
Not Adjusted For Inflation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 15, 2010, 11:20:21 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 15, 2010, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 15, 2010, 02:33:34 AMDamn Gone With The Wind and its 70 years of cinematic re-releases. Phooey!!Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 02:31:48 AM
It's nothing to be ashamed about if you watch a 3 or even a 4-hr cut of the highest grossing movie so far.
*ahem*
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm (http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 15, 2010, 12:38:45 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 15, 2010, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2010, 07:26:18 PMQuote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
A thing I don't like about Avatar is how too human the Na'Vi are - and this new womb thing just enforces the concept.
I know, the Na'vi should have had 3 sets of limbs just like the rest of the creatures on Pandora.
i agree, they could have at least made an effort to make it look like they evolved from creatures that had 6 limbs,
also i think most pandoran life had 4 eyes too,
at least on earth most animals (barring insects and arachnids) have 4 limbs 2 eyes etc, because the first common ancestors did, it seems crazy that the navi seemed to evolve completely seperately from all other species, and not have any divergence,
my best bet is that they are either a post technological self engineered race, or a completely artificial race created by a superior species (perhaps based on a mix of human and pandoran traits, hence the similarities), also, perhaps the entire planet is artificial, i supposed the fact it's the only place to find unobtanium would support that fact. i bet only cameron knows for sure though
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 04:44:27 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 04:44:27 PM
How do you know that Pandora is the only place that has unobtanium?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
Another deleted scene. The nontemplate level scenes, i.e. the scenes that look finished, were in the Special Edition that was shown in theatres in September.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1556259098674#w400-h216 (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1556259098674#w400-h216)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1556259098674#w400-h216 (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1556259098674#w400-h216)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sso02V on Nov 15, 2010, 07:36:55 PM
Post by: Sso02V on Nov 15, 2010, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 04:44:27 PMIf it isn't then the humans are even stupider than they're made out to be.
How do you know that Pandora is the only place that has unobtanium?
"We can either mine planet Everythingcankillyou, or that uninhabited ugly swamp planet. Hmmm"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
I think unobtanium is rare and Pandora is one of the few places that has it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 15, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Why not go to another place then?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:39:01 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:39:01 PM
Because unobtanium is rare and hard to find; the other places probably only have very little of it compared to Pandora. Alos, they may have already been completely mined of it already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 15, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 15, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
...Making it effectively the sole and unique place having Unobtainium.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 15, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 15, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
It's not quite said where unobtanium comes from, exactly, that is if it's restricted just to Pandora, but it is said that Pandora is dripping in the stuff, so much so that the planet has floating islands and whatnot. If you want to get gold, go to a gold mine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:46:26 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 15, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
...Making it effectively the sole and unique place having Unobtainium.
If you want to look at it that way; fine. But, I'm just saying that I don't think Pandora is the only place that has it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 15, 2010, 11:43:16 PM
Post by: Keg on Nov 15, 2010, 11:43:16 PM
Why do you discuss it as though its real? Bizzarre. Oh and i've watched the Collectors Edition Extended cut and if anything it makes RDA out to be even worse. The scene you spoke about where the Na'avi attack the humans and set fire to those huge bulldozers was a deliberate attempt to provoke them. Grace says it herself. She mentions how they deliberately destroy a sacred area to provoke them into attacking so they can make them enemies and justify attacking back. this leads into Jakes line (which was in the theatrical cut) about how thats how its done. if somebody or something is sitting on something they want badly enough they'll do anything they can to take it.
Then theres the scene where Grace talks about some of her students getting fed up with the humans destroying their forests so a couple of them attack some humans. They flee back to grace's school where they thought theyd be safe and the humans arrive and not only kill them, but start slaughtering all the children in the school.
Im sorry but there is absolutely no attempt whatsoever at trying to make the audience sympathetic in any way to the humans in this film. the new opening which shows a horrible polluted earth is there to make you realise we destroy everything and dont care until its too late. There is no mention that earth needs unobtanium for any purpose other than that its worth ridiculous amounts of money.
How anybody can see it otherwise baffles me.
Then theres the scene where Grace talks about some of her students getting fed up with the humans destroying their forests so a couple of them attack some humans. They flee back to grace's school where they thought theyd be safe and the humans arrive and not only kill them, but start slaughtering all the children in the school.
Im sorry but there is absolutely no attempt whatsoever at trying to make the audience sympathetic in any way to the humans in this film. the new opening which shows a horrible polluted earth is there to make you realise we destroy everything and dont care until its too late. There is no mention that earth needs unobtanium for any purpose other than that its worth ridiculous amounts of money.
How anybody can see it otherwise baffles me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 11:58:58 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 11:58:58 PM
Yeah, I already corrected myself on that topic quite a few posts back. RDA=evil.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 12:03:53 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 12:03:53 AM
Here's an video interview with James Cameron that I saw awhile back. I didn't think to put it here, but it does have some new scenes from the Extended Edition like parts of the Alternate Opening.
http://www.bestbuyon.com/computer-in-your-hand/avatar-exclusive (http://www.bestbuyon.com/computer-in-your-hand/avatar-exclusive)
http://www.bestbuyon.com/computer-in-your-hand/avatar-exclusive (http://www.bestbuyon.com/computer-in-your-hand/avatar-exclusive)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 16, 2010, 12:16:02 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 16, 2010, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 15, 2010, 11:58:58 PM
Yeah, I already corrected myself on that topic quite a few posts back. RDA=evil.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.topacousticsongs.com%2Fartistpics%2Fjeff-buckley.jpg&hash=5c7ee385d168970b0f80c494ec18bc5e719b83c9)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 12:17:17 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 12:17:17 AM
Your pic's link is broken.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 16, 2010, 12:17:40 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 16, 2010, 12:17:40 AM
sorted
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 16, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Nov 16, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Well, there are human heroes, altruistic ones too, but the focus is really on the false flag scheming company, ala WY. It's funny, because some criticised Avatar as saying that the aliens needed humans [specifically Jake] to save them, rather than being self-sufficient. I'm sure the same criticism was levelled at Avatar's Earth-bound parallels; the white male saves the poor indigenous peoples shtick. But either way, the focus wasn't entirely on characterisation, but on, effects aside, simple storytelling. It was in some respects a shot in the foot, because simple storytelling doesn't work for more serious-minded sci-fi fans, but the kids of today will grow up to love it, y'know, as they did with Star Wars, which was lambasted by "serious critics" for bringing spectacle and simplistic storytelling back to the screen, [of course, Star Wars was helped by being, really, one of the first of its kind. Avatar, fun as it is, is absolutely contrived in comparison].
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 03:50:39 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 03:50:39 AM
I recently got this movie in stereoscopic 3D (not anaglyph, but the HD 3D real deal) . Quite a site to behold if you have the equipment at home to view it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 16, 2010, 03:59:58 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 16, 2010, 03:59:58 AM
You're referring to Real D?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 16, 2010, 04:00:19 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 16, 2010, 04:00:19 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 03:50:39 AMLink?
Quite a site to behold if you have the equipment at home to view it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:14:20 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:14:20 AM
Link to?
@Doom: Naw, I was meaning it's the "real deal", as in not some lame conversion job by someone on the interwebs. The actual 3D Blu-Ray is out there now for people that buy some new Blu-Ray player bundle.
You're going to need a 3D-Ready 120hz display, active shutter glasses, and either a PC equipped w/ Nvidia 3D Vision (what I have) or a new 3D BD player (including the PS3) to watch it.
@Doom: Naw, I was meaning it's the "real deal", as in not some lame conversion job by someone on the interwebs. The actual 3D Blu-Ray is out there now for people that buy some new Blu-Ray player bundle.
You're going to need a 3D-Ready 120hz display, active shutter glasses, and either a PC equipped w/ Nvidia 3D Vision (what I have) or a new 3D BD player (including the PS3) to watch it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 16, 2010, 04:16:40 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 16, 2010, 04:16:40 AM
im surprised you could sit for three hours with those stupid glasses. i couldn't watch for 15 mins before getting a headache.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 16, 2010, 04:17:00 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 16, 2010, 04:17:00 AM
So it's not like Journey to the Centre of the Earth 3D? Coz that was pretty basic, if you've seen the BD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 16, 2010, 04:18:27 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 16, 2010, 04:18:27 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:14:20 AMI was just being a Grammar Nazi smartass. :D
Link to?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 04:19:28 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 04:19:28 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 16, 2010, 04:16:40 AM
im surprised you could sit for three hours with those stupid glasses. i couldn't watch for 15 mins before getting a headache.
My brother once had fun with them and saw Alice in Wonderland wearing the glasses upside-down. Apparently, that makes the background stand out in the foreground and puts the characters in a background like perspective.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:24:40 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:24:40 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 16, 2010, 04:18:27 AMQuote from: Cellien on Nov 16, 2010, 04:14:20 AMI was just being a Grammar Nazi smartass. :D
Link to?
Ah, good catch. :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 16, 2010, 04:17:00 AM
So it's not like Journey to the Centre of the Earth 3D? Coz that was pretty basic, if you've seen the BD.
Naw, that is colored lenses right? This is very similar to what they use at the theater, although a different tech. What these are doing is using a LCD lens to refresh at 120hz in sync with a 3D-Ready display.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 16, 2010, 04:16:40 AM
im surprised you could sit for three hours with those stupid glasses. i couldn't watch for 15 mins before getting a headache.
I haven't sat for 3 hrs with the movie yet, but I have sat for that long playing a game in 3D. Doesn't hurt my eyes. In fact, staring at my puny 22 inch "2d" LCD monitor for work does much worse.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 11:21:24 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 11:21:24 PM
There's a contest to win one of the Avatar Extended Collector's Edition for Blu-Ray or DVD here:
http://www.ugo.com/ (http://www.ugo.com/)
http://www.ugo.com/ (http://www.ugo.com/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 12:17:01 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 12:17:01 AM
Here's an extended version of the scene I posted earlier about Neyteiri's sister; it's not the entire scene, in fact, it comes right before the Youtube vid I posted earlier. Just watch the Youtube vid after this vid ends to finish the ending for this deleted scene.
http://www.ugo.com/therush/article/exclusive-avatar-extended-edition-deleted-sce/696/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/article/exclusive-avatar-extended-edition-deleted-sce/696/)
http://www.ugo.com/therush/article/exclusive-avatar-extended-edition-deleted-sce/696/ (http://www.ugo.com/therush/article/exclusive-avatar-extended-edition-deleted-sce/696/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 17, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 17, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
No offence but if people are interest in the deleted scenes enough they'll probably buy the new DVD/Blu Ray.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 12:31:51 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 12:31:51 AM
I know, just posting for those who are somewhat interested, but not that interested to actually buy the product. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 03:16:28 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 03:16:28 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 16, 2010, 11:21:24 PM
There's a contest to win one of the Avatar Extended Collector's Edition for Blu-Ray or DVD here:
http://www.ugo.com/ (http://www.ugo.com/)
I won!!! ;D One Avatar Extended Collector's Edition Blu-Ray for me. My winning word: Hometree. That sounds like one beautiful word to me right now. :D I guess I can use the money I saved from actually buying the discs for the Limited Edition Alien Anthology; might help convince my mom to get it for me on Christmas. Here's hoping. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 17, 2010, 03:23:17 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Nov 17, 2010, 03:23:17 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 03:16:28 AMI won!!! ;D One Avatar Extended Collector's Edition Blu-Ray for me. My winning word: Hometree. That sounds like one beautiful word to me right now. :D I guess I can use the money I saved from actually buying the discs for the Limited Edition Alien Anthology; might help convince my mom to get it for me on Christmas. Here's hoping. ;)
Congratulations, it's always nice to win things. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fantwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov%2Fapod%2Fimage%2F1011%2Fcupolaview_iss14.jpg&hash=d42fb9c707cef106f92dfb4682169d5d794cd7e0)
Here's a production still from a deleted scene in which Grace first approaches Pandora.
Quite interesting if you ask me, I wonder why they didn't include it in the extended cut. :(
Here's a production still from a deleted scene in which Grace first approaches Pandora.
Quite interesting if you ask me, I wonder why they didn't include it in the extended cut. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:22:20 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:22:20 AM
That doesn't look like Sigourney Weaver, either way, it's probably in the deleted scenes section.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:25:31 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:25:31 AM
I doubt they would have used Sigourney- hadn't Grace been on Pandora for a really long time anyways? Like, long enough to understand the Na'vi and write a book about them?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:27:36 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:27:36 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
That's just low, Space Sweeper.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 07:38:58 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 07:38:58 AM
What? I thought we were playing limbo.
I was joking with you, predxeno. :D
Just some likeness between the two that was noticed in another thread.
I was joking with you, predxeno. :D
Just some likeness between the two that was noticed in another thread.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 09:11:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 09:11:25 AM
I saw you posting in here before I saw Pn2501 suggest it in another thread. Whoops ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 17, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Nov 17, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fantwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov%2Fapod%2Fimage%2F1011%2Fcupolaview_iss14.jpg&hash=d42fb9c707cef106f92dfb4682169d5d794cd7e0)
Here's a production still from a deleted scene in which Grace first approaches Pandora.
Quite interesting if you ask me, I wonder why they didn't include it in the extended cut. :(
Sweeper? I love you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
That's just low, Space Sweeper.
Did I miss something? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 17, 2010, 06:41:26 PM
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 17, 2010, 06:41:26 PM
*Awkward silence.*
Soo, uhh...special edition out yet? I heard the Quaritch vs thanator fight in it is longer and better.
True?
Soo, uhh...special edition out yet? I heard the Quaritch vs thanator fight in it is longer and better.
True?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 06:42:42 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:43:13 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 06:43:13 PM
I heard there's a deleted scene in which one of the marines (the one that's in the AMP suit in the final battle with the guy that Grace says to stay next to the Samson right before the Thanator attack on Jake) amputates Tsu-tey's ponytail bonder or whatever they call it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 06:44:29 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 06:44:29 PM
Deleted, but not in the extended cut.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 17, 2010, 06:50:37 PM
Post by: Xenodog on Nov 17, 2010, 06:50:37 PM
What IS in the extended cut? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 07:06:56 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Nov 17, 2010, 07:06:56 PM
Earth opening, extra bits of dialogue here and there, hunting scene, new subplot about closing of the school.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 05:54:53 PMApparently you did. It was a joke, look at my previous post.Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
That's just low, Space Sweeper.
Did I miss something? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:13:32 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:13:32 PM
Ah, I thought it was something else, silly me. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 17, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 17, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
I'm going to get the director cut's this X-Mass. I'm the only person in this thread who enjoys the movie, and puts it on their favorite movie list (Its #50 on my top 100 movie list).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
Is Alien or Aliens your #1? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 17, 2010, 09:46:38 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Nov 17, 2010, 09:46:38 PM
Alien is #3 on my list, and Aliens is on my top 20 movie list.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 09:56:31 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:13:32 PMNo hard feelings I hope. :-\
Ah, I thought it was something else, silly me. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 17, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
None. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fantwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov%2Fapod%2Fimage%2F1011%2Fcupolaview_iss14.jpg&hash=d42fb9c707cef106f92dfb4682169d5d794cd7e0)
Here's a production still from a deleted scene in which Grace first approaches Pandora.
Quite interesting if you ask me, I wonder why they didn't include it in the extended cut. :(
You took that picture from me. ;D
Gods, I do love the APOD site.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2010, 11:51:05 PMWhat? I saw it in a General Discussion thread by Pn2501.Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 17, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fantwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov%2Fapod%2Fimage%2F1011%2Fcupolaview_iss14.jpg&hash=d42fb9c707cef106f92dfb4682169d5d794cd7e0)
Here's a production still from a deleted scene in which Grace first approaches Pandora.
Quite interesting if you ask me, I wonder why they didn't include it in the extended cut. :(
You took that picture from me. ;D
Gods, I do love the APOD site.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2010, 11:55:05 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 17, 2010, 11:55:05 PM
I posted that picture in an MSN chat we had...
Coincidence.
Coincidence.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:09:43 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:09:43 AM
Since I'm trapped at college, is there a Walmart or Best Buy exclusive version of the Extended Collector's Edition for this movie?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 02:14:03 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 02:14:03 AM
Dude, you WON a copy. Don't buy another one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
I bought 3 versions of AVP; regular edition, Blockbuster exclusive, Unrated Edition; 2 copies of AVPR; regular edition, Best Buy exclusive; attempting to get a second version of Alien set; Alien Quadrilogy DVD and Alien Anthology Blu-Ray (attempting). My mom says I'm obsessed; is that really a bad thing?
EDIT: Also attempting to get the Walmart exclusive of Predators (Blu-Ray, DVD, and Digital Copy) even though I already have the DVD version.
EDIT: Also attempting to get the Walmart exclusive of Predators (Blu-Ray, DVD, and Digital Copy) even though I already have the DVD version.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 02:22:11 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 02:22:11 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AMO_O
I bought 3 versions of AVP; regular edition, Blockbuster exclusive, Unrated Edition; 2 copies of AVPR; regular edition, Best Buy exclusive; attempting to get a second version of Alien set; Alien Quadrilogy DVD and Alien Anthology. My mom says I'm obsessed; is that really a bad thing?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 18, 2010, 02:31:04 AM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 18, 2010, 02:31:04 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
I bought 3 versions of AVP; regular edition, Blockbuster exclusive, Unrated Edition; 2 copies of AVPR; regular edition, Best Buy exclusive; attempting to get a second version of Alien set; Alien Quadrilogy DVD and Alien Anthology (attempting). My mom says I'm obsessed; is that really a bad thing?
EDIT: Also attempting to get a the Walmart exclusive of Predators (Blu-Ray, DVD, and Digital Copy) even though I already have the DVD version.
Yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:39:04 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:39:04 AM
What? I can't be the only person who would buy multiple editions of the same film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 18, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 18, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
I bought The Fellowship of the Ring on DVD before I knew about the Special Extended Edition coming out in a couple months after it's release. That was the only movie I had bought two versions of; but the The Lord of the Rings Extended Editions are well worth the money to be certain. The intended version of the films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
Jurassic Park's the only one for me. But that's 'cause our original version was on VHS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 02:46:24 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 02:46:24 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
Jurassic Park's the only one for me. But that's 'cause our original version was on VHS.
Yeah, same here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:47:20 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:47:20 AM
I didn't buy Avatar when it came out since I knew there'd be a collector's of special edition of it coming out later.
There was also the original Star Wars trilogy for me, then. I already had the original versions on VHS, but my brother and I got the Special Editions on DVD in that box set.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
Jurassic Park's the only one for me. But that's 'cause our original version was on VHS.
There was also the original Star Wars trilogy for me, then. I already had the original versions on VHS, but my brother and I got the Special Editions on DVD in that box set.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Nov 18, 2010, 02:47:53 AM
Post by: First Blood on Nov 18, 2010, 02:47:53 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Nov 18, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
I bought The Fellowship of the Ring on DVD before I knew about the Special Extended Edition coming out in a couple months after it's release. That was the only movie I had bought two versions of; but the The Lord of the Rings Extended Editions are well worth the money to be certain. The intended version of the films.
Yeah same here. I bought the extended cuts as well. Those scenes actually have significance.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
Jurassic Park's the only one for me. But that's 'cause our original version was on VHS.
If they ever make a remastered Blu-ray, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 18, 2010, 02:49:45 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Nov 18, 2010, 02:49:45 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 18, 2010, 02:45:47 AMVHS to DVD/Blu-Ray cross-overs are a different story; I'd done that many times, but it's obvious why.
Jurassic Park's the only one for me. But that's 'cause our original version was on VHS.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 02:51:15 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 02:51:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:39:04 AM
What? I can't be the only person who would buy multiple editions of the same film.
Sadly no.
It you bought the DVD initially, and then bought the Blu-Ray, that's one thing. It's the same as buying something on DVD that you previously had on VHS.
But multiple copies of the same film in the same format? Strikes me as exceedingly dumb. People should know by now not to buy the first release of a DVD, especially if it's bare bones with no extras.
Owning the Alien Legacy Boxset I wasn't even going to bother wth the Quad box until I saw the amazing amount of extras on it. Something needs to be superlative for me to buy it twice.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 02:59:35 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 02:59:35 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
I bought 3 versions of AVP; regular edition, Blockbuster exclusive, Unrated Edition; 2 copies of AVPR; regular edition, Best Buy exclusive; attempting to get a second version of Alien set; Alien Quadrilogy DVD and Alien Anthology Blu-Ray (attempting). My mom says I'm obsessed; is that really a bad thing?
EDIT: Also attempting to get the Walmart exclusive of Predators (Blu-Ray, DVD, and Digital Copy) even though I already have the DVD version.
Dude, ease up. The hell do you need all those different versions for?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 03:01:17 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 03:01:17 AM
To prop up a wonky table.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 03:02:56 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 03:02:56 AM
Well if we're talking Avatar and Predators, sure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 03:09:44 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 18, 2010, 03:09:44 AM
I was more talking the AvPs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 02:59:35 AM
Dude, ease up. The hell do you need all those different versions for?
I'm a collector, and I'm obsessed. Something my whole family complains about. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Nov 18, 2010, 09:21:07 AM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Nov 18, 2010, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 17, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
I'm going to get the director cut's this X-Mass. I'm the only person in this thread who enjoys the movie, and puts it on their favorite movie list (Its #50 on my top 100 movie list).
Ahem.
I loved Avatar. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
i liked avatar, nd have just ordered the extended cut,
i gotta say i have a few things with multiple versions on blu-ray or whatever, but only if one version has one of those cool display statue things.
i gotta say i have a few things with multiple versions on blu-ray or whatever, but only if one version has one of those cool display statue things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 18, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 18, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
I loved Avatar as well, just need to wait till the Extended Edition reaches my crappy little town.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 01:09:38 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 01:09:38 PM
the internet reaches everyone simultaneously, can't you buy it online?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 18, 2010, 01:54:15 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Nov 18, 2010, 01:54:15 PM
Don't have a credit card.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 18, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 18, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
I loved Avatar too. I'll get this as soon as I've the money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
This Extended Collector's Edition is going to be the ultimate edition according to Cameron; it'll have everything and there won't be a better version coming out later. There's going to be the 3D Extended Collector's Edition, of course, and I dunno about an Avatar Trilogy box set that'll have more special features. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Nov 18, 2010, 03:38:47 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Nov 18, 2010, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
This Extended Collector's Edition is going to be the ultimate edition according to Cameron; it'll have everything and there won't be a better version coming out later. There's going to be the 3D Extended Collector's Edition, of course, and I dunno about an Avatar Trilogy box set that'll have more special features. :-\
That's gonna take a decade or so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 03:53:24 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Nov 18, 2010, 03:38:47 PMQuote from: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
This Extended Collector's Edition is going to be the ultimate edition according to Cameron; it'll have everything and there won't be a better version coming out later. There's going to be the 3D Extended Collector's Edition, of course, and I dunno about an Avatar Trilogy box set that'll have more special features. :-\
That's gonna take a decade or so.
2016 for a basic trilogy, 2019 for a 10 year anniversarry super set probably.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:55:13 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 18, 2010, 03:55:13 PM
Nah, it would have been the anniversary of the original film and Cameron said that this would be the ultimate edition. If there is going to be a disc with more features, it'll be part of a trilogy set.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 18, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
yeah 2019 is the anniversarry of the original film :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Nov 18, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
I loved Avatar too. I'll get this as soon as I've the money.
I am as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 18, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 18, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
I'm hoping to get the extended Blu-ray for Christmas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Purebreedalien on Nov 18, 2010, 08:30:15 PM
Post by: Purebreedalien on Nov 18, 2010, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Nov 18, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
I'm hoping to get the extended Blu-ray for Christmas.
This.
I hope I get it. :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Nov 19, 2010, 12:54:30 AM
Post by: Keg on Nov 19, 2010, 12:54:30 AM
I have it and its a bit annoying in the same way I cant choose between the two versions of Alien 3. There are aspects of Alien 3 special edition that I like but there are others I preferred from the theatrical. Same here with this new release. The Extended Collectors Edition has a new opening on Earth but I didnt like it at all and I much preferred the original opening but this version also has a few short, but decent character moments that I really liked (especially involving Grace) that arent in the Theatrical or Extended Re-Release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 19, 2010, 12:00:04 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Nov 19, 2010, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 18, 2010, 08:30:15 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Nov 18, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
I'm hoping to get the extended Blu-ray for Christmas.
This.
I hope I get it. :)
me too, but i know i'm getting it, because i bought it and i'm going to sell it to someone to give to me :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
What?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Cellien on Nov 20, 2010, 06:15:53 AM
Post by: Cellien on Nov 20, 2010, 06:15:53 AM
I bought the original Blu-Ray, like hell I'm buying the super extended version yet. Most likely someone will get it for me for X-mas. Easy gift. :P Problem is, the extended version isn't in S3D yet! ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 22, 2010, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 22, 2010, 06:21:00 PM
Here's the complete scene of Grace telling Jake what happened with Neytiri's sister at the school:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1565531970490#w400-h216 (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1565531970490#w400-h216)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1565531970490#w400-h216 (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1565531970490#w400-h216)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 09:21:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 09:21:07 PM
The Na'vi have Facebook? And I thought they were all about nature.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Nov 22, 2010, 09:29:59 PM
Post by: predxeno on Nov 22, 2010, 09:29:59 PM
They're into technology, as long as it doesn't disrupt nature. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Facebook makes you forget about nature. I'd say that's pretty disruptive.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:36:11 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:36:11 PM
The Na'vi Facebook plugs straight into that flux capacitor vortex thing. Carbon neutral. You friend people by plugging your head tail thing into it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 10:45:32 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 10:45:32 PM
But then how do you join a group? Extensions?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:48:46 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:48:46 PM
Either that or paint your cock blue and try and shove it into a USB slot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Nov 22, 2010, 11:19:33 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 22, 2010, 11:19:33 PM
So a regular Saturday night for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 11:29:37 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 11:29:37 PM
More or less.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 22, 2010, 11:19:33 PM
So a regular Saturday night for me.
And what's the rest of your week like?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 23, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 23, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
Analog plugs, i guess.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 23, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 23, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfkO6Z3do8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfkO6Z3do8#ws)
:D :D :D
:D :D :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 23, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 23, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
somebody put this show out its misery already.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 01:48:35 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 01:48:35 PM
Oh come on now.
That was hilarious. Especially the sofabirdthings. :D
That was hilarious. Especially the sofabirdthings. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 23, 2010, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Nov 23, 2010, 02:09:32 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Nov 23, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
somebody put this show out its misery already.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages0.memegenerator.net%2FImageMacro%2F3821583%2Fquaritch-is-not-happy.jpg%3FimageSize%3DLarge%26amp%3BgeneratorName%3Dcol-avatar&hash=2bb35df6a4575e662d2a19ca8ff19d4b6b1e7603)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 23, 2010, 08:55:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Nov 23, 2010, 08:55:18 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Nov 23, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfkO6Z3do8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfkO6Z3do8#ws)
:D :D :D
Wow, they're actually trying this time. Maybe there's still hope.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 08, 2011, 10:58:46 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 08, 2011, 10:58:46 AM
James Cameron criticize Hollywood for making sequels. ::)
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0)
James Cameron has directed two installments in the "Terminator" franchise and is now planning to turn "Avatar" into a trilogy. But he still feels that the only reason sequels exist is because Hollywood is out of ideas and is forced to re-use the same characters and storylines.
"We have a story crisis," he said (translated). "Now they want to make the 'Battleship' game into a film. This is pure desperation. Everyone in Hollywood knows how important it is that a film is a brand before it hit theaters. If a brand has been around, 'Harry Potter' for example, or 'Spider-Man,' you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous. 'Battleship.' This degrades the cinema."
Cameron went on to say that the only reason Warner Bros split the last "Harry Potter" book into two films is because the studio knew it would be able to make more money. He called the move "excessive." Cameron, meanwhile, released "Avatar" in theaters twice, created two separate DVD/Blu-ray editions of the film and is now converting "Titanic" to 3D.
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0)
James Cameron has directed two installments in the "Terminator" franchise and is now planning to turn "Avatar" into a trilogy. But he still feels that the only reason sequels exist is because Hollywood is out of ideas and is forced to re-use the same characters and storylines.
"We have a story crisis," he said (translated). "Now they want to make the 'Battleship' game into a film. This is pure desperation. Everyone in Hollywood knows how important it is that a film is a brand before it hit theaters. If a brand has been around, 'Harry Potter' for example, or 'Spider-Man,' you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous. 'Battleship.' This degrades the cinema."
Cameron went on to say that the only reason Warner Bros split the last "Harry Potter" book into two films is because the studio knew it would be able to make more money. He called the move "excessive." Cameron, meanwhile, released "Avatar" in theaters twice, created two separate DVD/Blu-ray editions of the film and is now converting "Titanic" to 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 03:51:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 03:51:27 PM
Just goes to show you how far he has his head up his ass. f**king hypocrite.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Jan 08, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 08, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
He's making Titanic in 3D now, huh? My folks'll probably be interested.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: First Blood on Jan 08, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Post by: First Blood on Jan 08, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 08, 2011, 10:58:46 AM
James Cameron criticize Hollywood for making sequels. ::)
http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0 (http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=20251&count=0)
James Cameron has directed two installments in the "Terminator" franchise and is now planning to turn "Avatar" into a trilogy. But he still feels that the only reason sequels exist is because Hollywood is out of ideas and is forced to re-use the same characters and storylines.
"We have a story crisis," he said (translated). "Now they want to make the 'Battleship' game into a film. This is pure desperation. Everyone in Hollywood knows how important it is that a film is a brand before it hit theaters. If a brand has been around, 'Harry Potter' for example, or 'Spider-Man,' you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous. 'Battleship.' This degrades the cinema."
Cameron went on to say that the only reason Warner Bros split the last "Harry Potter" book into two films is because the studio knew it would be able to make more money. He called the move "excessive." Cameron, meanwhile, released "Avatar" in theaters twice, created two separate DVD/Blu-ray editions of the film and is now converting "Titanic" to 3D.
The pot calling the kettle black.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 03:51:27 PMHe is kinda right but yeah, do you think he knows how ironically stupid this is and is just f**king with us, and the didn't even mention in the article the irony in the fact that avatars story isn't original.
Just goes to show you how far he has his head up his ass. f**king hypocrite.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
The man has an ego so it doesn't surprised me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 08, 2011, 05:40:18 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 08, 2011, 05:40:18 PM
Even if Jimmy has a bigger ego than Godzilla, he's a f**king master at moviemaking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
This is what happens if you make a movie that made so much money. Cameron is being like "Look at me people, I made two of the highest grossing movies of all time. What I said goes".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 08, 2011, 05:40:18 PM
Even if Jimmy has a bigger ego than Godzilla, he's a f**king master at moviemaking.
Not at storytelling, unfortunately.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
Terminator and Aliens would like to have a word with you...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Story telling = film making.
he didn't write those films. he just directed them well. he's a shitty writter.
he didn't write those films. he just directed them well. he's a shitty writter.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 09:58:24 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 09:58:24 PM
Cameron wrote Aliens and T1-T2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 10:03:46 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 10:03:46 PM
That means T1-T2 and Aliens scripts were... shitty.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 08, 2011, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 08, 2011, 10:08:07 PM
Fascinating.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 09:23:06 PMYou mean the one he got sued for plagiarism over -- successfully, too, I might add -- and the one that's basically the first movie with guns?
Terminator and Aliens would like to have a word with you...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 10:03:46 PM
That means T1-T2 and Aliens scripts were... shitty.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ%2FSX1hoSYWLDI%2FAAAAAAAAHKU%2F11gU8kpepw0%2Fs400%2FYou_heard_me_crab_cig.jpg&hash=c99d4f7bf29a8ae98b7ee9fc9d32a2f604c3de76)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:01:44 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:01:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 10:42:10 PMIs that law suit the one that also involved the matrix? I thought she was a fraud?Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 09:23:06 PMYou mean the one he got sued for plagiarism over -- successfully, too, I might add -- and the one that's basically the first movie with guns?
Terminator and Aliens would like to have a word with you...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
Who cares if the movie is 100% original or not. You can say that The Matrix was a knock off of Ghost in the Shell afterall.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:01:44 PMI'm talking The Terminator.
Is that law suit the one that also involved the matrix? I thought she was a fraud?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:10:58 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:10:58 PM
It's not the fact it wasn't a original, it was that is was almost a carbon copy, a plagerism. Unoriginality is a common problem as there is hardly any room for innovation these days the basics of everything has been done. The Matrix also got sued as well, and If I am right by the same person as the person who sued terminator.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2011, 11:07:04 PMReally I wouldn't of know unless it said terminator in the post I was questioning, and was the only one that had a law suite, oh wait it and was did. But I thought, if we are talking about the same person, This one (http://digg.com/news/entertainment/Black_Woman_Wrote_the_Matrix_and_Terminator_and_Wins_Lawsuit) that I heard she was a fake, I dunno if that was right thoughQuote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:01:44 PMI'm talking The Terminator.
Is that law suit the one that also involved the matrix? I thought she was a fraud?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: RazorSlash on Jan 08, 2011, 11:22:56 PM
Post by: RazorSlash on Jan 08, 2011, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ/SX1hoSYWLDI/AAAAAAAAHKU/11gU8kpepw0/s400/You_heard_me_crab_cig.jpg
WHERE DO YOU FIND THESE THINGS
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 11:29:55 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2011, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 08, 2011, 10:03:46 PM
That means T1-T2 and Aliens scripts were... shitty.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Aliens didn't have a shitty script. Neither did Avatar, for that matter. But they weren't terribly inspired in their execution is all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 11:38:14 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 08, 2011, 11:38:14 PM
I enjoy Avatar for what it was. Just because its not original does not mean it can't be good. Batman, Star Wars, and Dragon Ball where not original but they are loved world wide.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
Execution matters more than originality.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2011, 01:08:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2011, 01:08:58 AM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 08, 2011, 11:01:44 PMHarlan Ellison, man. Way back when the movie was released.
But I thought, if we are talking about the same person, This one (http://digg.com/news/entertainment/Black_Woman_Wrote_the_Matrix_and_Terminator_and_Wins_Lawsuit) that I heard she was a fake, I dunno if that was right though
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 01:54:56 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 08, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
Who cares if the movie is 100% original or not. You can say that The Matrix was a knock off of Ghost in the Shell afterall.
It's a ripoff of Gibson's Neuromancer, going so far as to steal specific terms and locations. Effectively sandbagged any chance of a decent Neuromancer film being made, too, but I digress.
All the Aliens hate is making me sad, man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 02:44:04 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 02:44:04 AM
i'm not hatin, im just saying Cameron is not the [only] reason Aliens is good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2011, 03:09:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2011, 03:09:16 AM
No-one's hating on Aliens. It was back when Cameron actually cared about not making his sources painfully obvious -- as much as its plot is basically a play-by-play of the original (Or, as those on JamesCameronOnline would say, it echoes the original film's plot points), its execution is radically different enough to make it irrelevant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 03:11:29 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 03:11:29 AM
Alien + Heinlein = Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 03:19:46 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 03:19:46 AM
But that's the best combination of elements ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 03:32:18 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 03:32:18 AM
that's why we like it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:16:08 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:16:08 AM
I thought the Colonel was the best character. Certainly the only one I could sympathize with: you can't name one person, organization or ideal that Sam Worthington did not betray at some point in the story, that slimy bastard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.encyclopediadramatica.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F80%2FKenshirawesome.png%2F120px-Kenshirawesome.png&hash=010390ca1b5163c92207efb75142ccd3780edf04)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:18:38 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:18:38 AM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AMJesus Christ. that one is terrifying! :DQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/80/Kenshirawesome.png/120px-Kenshirawesome.png
BALLS OF STEEEEEEL.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:26:25 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:26:25 AM
Jake gave us all up. he is a Pariah as far as i am concerned.
no Na'vi would have been harmed if he wasn't f**king around with Neytiri and did his mission. he was an irresponsible f**k, a loser who couldn't get any if it wasnt an impresionable airhead native tree hugger, and worst of all, he preffered her, he preffered himself and his new life to mankind, something he joined the marines to defend in the first place. he's a dessertor, a traitor and a complete dissapointment to our species, and his brother.
besides, he's a complete retard.
no Na'vi would have been harmed if he wasn't f**king around with Neytiri and did his mission. he was an irresponsible f**k, a loser who couldn't get any if it wasnt an impresionable airhead native tree hugger, and worst of all, he preffered her, he preffered himself and his new life to mankind, something he joined the marines to defend in the first place. he's a dessertor, a traitor and a complete dissapointment to our species, and his brother.
besides, he's a complete retard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:28:52 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:28:52 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:26:25 AMNot talkin' bout' Jake, bro.
dont you dare to compare him to the duke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:30:00 AM
We're talking about Sasquatch, or whatever his name was. Quaritch? I don't know, the fine fellow who was talking about the nutritious value of eyeballs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:31:17 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:31:17 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:26:25 AM
Jake gave us all up. he is a Pariah as far as i am concerned.
f**kin' aye. Not to mention the sinister worldbrain Eywa was holding the Na'vi back technologically and philisophically: had the humans been able to blow up the daisy pond and cut off their USB connection to their biological tyrant, the Smurfs could have advanced as a civilization. Instead the Na'vi will live in a perpetual dark age surrounded by superpredators - swell victory, labelled protagonists.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:28:52 AMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 09, 2011, 05:26:25 AMNot talkin' bout' Jake, bro.
dont you dare to compare him to the duke.
well i was. and with the magic of post editing my point stands: when the protagonist is as detestable as that though you are trying to portay him as a hero, you are doing very f**king wrong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 05:40:35 AM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 05:40:35 AM
I wasn't very fond of Jake, either. He seemed too impulsive; "like a baby."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:43:52 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:43:52 AM
As Sharp Sticks once said:
I tried watching the movie like this, and it was fantastic- by simply changing the way I think about it. It may seem a bit difficult when you actually think about it, but it will suddenly become shockingly different with the slightest stretch of the imagination; a look into the truth.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Dec 29, 2010, 01:19:08 AM
The way I see it whole story is a Xanatos Gambit by the manipulative worldbrain Eywa who holds the Na'vi back philisophically and technologically, so when the humans come to negotiate for the Unobtainium superconductor that could solve Earth's energy crisis the Na'vi act are total xenophobic assholes and force RDA's hand. Colonel Quaritch? Hero of the Imperium. What appears to be a fable about how humanity has lost their connection with nature is unintentionally a study of niave idealism vs. responsibility to your species and an acceptance of natural selection.
I tried watching the movie like this, and it was fantastic- by simply changing the way I think about it. It may seem a bit difficult when you actually think about it, but it will suddenly become shockingly different with the slightest stretch of the imagination; a look into the truth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:46:19 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:46:19 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:43:52 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.extratextual.tv%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F06%2F30rock_kenneth.jpg&hash=cd9bd724878778c977153169586f601a30cec8de)
I tried watching the movie like this, and it was fantastic- by simply changing the way I think about it. It may seem a bit difficult when you actually think about it, but it will suddenly become shockingly different with the slightest stretch of the imagination; a look into the truth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/80/Kenshirawesome.png/120px-Kenshirawesome.png
Except Duke Nukem was just pure awesome. And he came first.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:50:15 AM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:50:15 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AMQuote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/80/Kenshirawesome.png/120px-Kenshirawesome.png
Except Duke Nukem was just pure awesome. And he came first.
That's the second (unintentional) sexual innuendo you've made in a short period of time. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 05:52:58 AM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 05:52:58 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:46:19 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:43:52 AMhttp://www.extratextual.tv/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/30rock_kenneth.jpg
I tried watching the movie like this, and it was fantastic- by simply changing the way I think about it. It may seem a bit difficult when you actually think about it, but it will suddenly become shockingly different with the slightest stretch of the imagination; a look into the truth.
I get what he means. A slight change in perception is all it takes to make something great into something not so much and vece-versa.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
I tried liking this movie I really did, but then I got the blu-ray special collector's edition. The very boxing of the movie screamed arrogance, then I got to the special features and watched the "message from pandora" featurette. I was totally put off by it's titanic sized ego (the director's mostly but this film definitely has some form of an ego). Suffice it to say that was one of my worst blu ray purchases.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
That picture quality was amazing and you know it...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:00:10 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:00:10 AM
Quote from: Avenuewriter on Jan 09, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
I tried liking this movie I really did, but then I got the blu-ray special collector's edition. The very boxing of the movie screamed arrogance, then I got to the special features and watched the "message from pandora" featurette. I was totally put off by it's titanic sized ego (the director's mostly but this film definitely has some form of an ego). Suffice it to say that was one of my worst blu ray purchases.
Bah. Those Blu-Rays are superb, under the pretentiousness.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:26 AM
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:56:12 AMSure it was, but it's like dating a stereotypical "dumb blonde." Pretty to look at but no substance. Sadly as I get older I find myself looking for more substance in my movies than in how pretty it looks.
That picture quality was amazing and you know it...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:55 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:55 AM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:50:15 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AMQuote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/80/Kenshirawesome.png/120px-Kenshirawesome.png
Except Duke Nukem was just pure awesome. And he came first.
That's the second (unintentional) sexual innuendo you've made in a short period of time. :D
I did? Which was the first?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:04:29 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:04:29 AM
Quote from: Avenuewriter on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:26 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:56:12 AMSure it was, but it's like dating a stereotypical "dumb blonde." Pretty to look at but no substance. Sadly as I get older I find myself looking for more substance in my movies than in how pretty it looks.
That picture quality was amazing and you know it...
The substance is there, it just takes some lateral thinking to find. Read a few posts up. Recontextualized, the film is a gem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:31:41 AM
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:31:41 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:04:29 AMPerhaps "substance" isn't the right word. Sure this film can be seen as having substance (to the lateral thinkers as you say), but when I watched this movie after purchasing the blu ray set I couldn't truly find what I generally look for in films now-a-days. The hype left me and I was looking at it from more matured eyes as my taste in films has dramatically changed over the last few years.Quote from: Avenuewriter on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:26 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:56:12 AMSure it was, but it's like dating a stereotypical "dumb blonde." Pretty to look at but no substance. Sadly as I get older I find myself looking for more substance in my movies than in how pretty it looks.
That picture quality was amazing and you know it...
The substance is there, it just takes some lateral thinking to find. Read a few posts up. Recontextualized, the film is a gem.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:33:26 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 06:33:26 AM
Gotcha, Methuselah.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:41:09 AM
Post by: BlackMatter169 on Jan 09, 2011, 06:41:09 AM
Ah, I've been made!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 01:06:47 PM
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 06:02:55 AMQuote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:50:15 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AMQuote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 09, 2011, 05:17:40 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 09, 2011, 05:12:34 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:58:10 AMI take the cheesiness of his character as being intended.. which is what makes me like him.Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
No, I'd say Avatar had a shitty script. That dialogue...sheesh.
Only character that really bugged me was the marine general. Just a brick, really.
Same here. He's just a combination of several prominent clichés and nothing more than that - and it works.
Kinda like Duke Nukem, really. And you wouldn't dare dislike the Duke...
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/80/Kenshirawesome.png/120px-Kenshirawesome.png
Except Duke Nukem was just pure awesome. And he came first.
That's the second (unintentional) sexual innuendo you've made in a short period of time. :D
I did? Which was the first?
Something about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu that I turned into a joke about blowjobs. The post was removed though. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:34:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 04:34:07 PM
Oh lol, that one...yeah, AvatarIII is a creative guy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 10, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 10, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
I thought Avatar at the cinema was a fun time out, and the home Bluray was an okay enough movie, but the 170min cut is a great, fun film. It's leaps and bounds better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Jan 10, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
Post by: Keg on Jan 10, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
I wouldnt say the 170 minute cut is leaps and bounds better but it certainly adds some welcome character developments, especially for Grace's character.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
We all say different things, thankfully.
:)
:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Sso02V on Jan 11, 2011, 08:56:31 PM
Post by: Sso02V on Jan 11, 2011, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 05:16:08 AMReminded me of playing an RPG with multiple paths.
I thought the Colonel was the best character. Certainly the only one I could sympathize with: you can't name one person, organization or ideal that Sam Worthington did not betray at some point in the story, that slimy bastard.
"I'll pick the Marine choice here, Na'vi choice, Marine, Marine, Na'vi, Marine, Na'vi..."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 01:47:04 PM
Post by: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
We all say different things, thankfully.
:)
I still think the 170 minute cut is the best of the three as well . Not because its the longest but I like the extra dialogue with Grace, especially about what happened at the school with Neytiris sister.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 14, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 14, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 01:47:04 PMYeah, definitely. And I appreciate Avatar for being fun and escapist. Especially with the new longer cut.Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
We all say different things, thankfully.
:)
I still think the 170 minute cut is the best of the three as well . Not because its the longest but I like the extra dialogue with Grace, especially about what happened at the school with Neytiris sister.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 02:30:05 PM
Post by: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 02:30:05 PM
At first I didnt like the new Earth opening scenes but after watching it again I actually prefer it. One thing I would have loved to have seen in the extended cuts was he deleted scene where Max ( I think thats his name) used that massive drill machine to smash up the control room. Once they get on the chopper and leave him behind it implies he's got his part to play but he's never seen again and it appears as though its a cheap way to write him out of the film when infact its just because his scene wasnt put in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 14, 2011, 03:11:24 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 14, 2011, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 01:47:04 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
We all say different things, thankfully.
:)
I still think the 170 minute cut is the best of the three as well . Not because its the longest but I like the extra dialogue with Grace, especially about what happened at the school with Neytiris sister.
this for sure,
the earth opening, i can take it or leave it.
still need to watch the deleted scenes, maybe this coming week, since i am off work for my birthday.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 14, 2011, 04:00:43 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 14, 2011, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Keg on Jan 14, 2011, 02:30:05 PMThe Avatars attacking the base was a great scene, I wish it was back in there too. It shows shit going down on both sides, at the battlefield and at homebase.
At first I didnt like the new Earth opening scenes but after watching it again I actually prefer it. One thing I would have loved to have seen in the extended cuts was he deleted scene where Max ( I think thats his name) used that massive drill machine to smash up the control room. Once they get on the chopper and leave him behind it implies he's got his part to play but he's never seen again and it appears as though its a cheap way to write him out of the film when infact its just because his scene wasnt put in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Ghost Rider on Jan 16, 2011, 04:46:06 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Jan 16, 2011, 04:46:06 AM
I didn't know this about the Thanator.
"The original scriptment, by James Cameron, mentions that the thanator could beat a T.rex easily, and have the Alien Queen for breakfast."
"The original scriptment, by James Cameron, mentions that the thanator could beat a T.rex easily, and have the Alien Queen for breakfast."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: predxeno on Jan 16, 2011, 06:05:01 AM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 16, 2011, 06:05:01 AM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jan 16, 2011, 04:46:06 AM
I didn't know this about the Thanator.
"The original scriptment, by James Cameron, mentions that the thanator could beat a T.rex easily, and have the Alien Queen for breakfast."
I didn't know it was an Alien Queen, I read it was just an Alien. Either way, what about the acid blood?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 16, 2011, 09:34:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 16, 2011, 09:34:45 PM
But hey, what about that statement being nothing seriously affirmed?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 17, 2011, 05:02:45 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 17, 2011, 05:02:45 AM
The Thanator in the original scriptment was suppossed to be massive. I seem to remember Cameron referencing the Manticore in its design.
Could be wrong. Been along time since I read it. But when I saw the Thanator on screen it wasn't what I had pictured in my head from the scriptment.
Could be wrong. Been along time since I read it. But when I saw the Thanator on screen it wasn't what I had pictured in my head from the scriptment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 24, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 24, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=28661 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=28661)
Talking to Entertainment Weekly, Cameron said:
"I am in the process of writing the next two Avatar films now. We are planning to shoot them together and post them together, and we will probably release them not quite back to back, but about a year apart. Christmas '14 and '15 is the current plan."
He also mentions that some familiar faces will return:
"Basically, if you survived the first film, you get to be in the second film, at least in some form... Fox has partnered with me to donate a chunk of the profits to environmental causes that are at the heart of the Avatar world... I didn't want to make more Avatar movies without a grander plan in place."
Anyone else thinking that this thread should be re-named James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy or something?
Talking to Entertainment Weekly, Cameron said:
"I am in the process of writing the next two Avatar films now. We are planning to shoot them together and post them together, and we will probably release them not quite back to back, but about a year apart. Christmas '14 and '15 is the current plan."
He also mentions that some familiar faces will return:
"Basically, if you survived the first film, you get to be in the second film, at least in some form... Fox has partnered with me to donate a chunk of the profits to environmental causes that are at the heart of the Avatar world... I didn't want to make more Avatar movies without a grander plan in place."
Anyone else thinking that this thread should be re-named James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy or something?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Master on Jan 24, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 24, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jan 16, 2011, 04:46:06 AM
I didn't know this about the Thanator.
"The original scriptment, by James Cameron, mentions that the thanator could beat a T.rex easily, and have the Alien Queen for breakfast."
Predator would beat Thanator easily in close combat.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 24, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=28661 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=28661)
Talking to Entertainment Weekly, Cameron said:
"I am in the process of writing the next two Avatar films now. We are planning to shoot them together and post them together, and we will probably release them not quite back to back, but about a year apart. Christmas '14 and '15 is the current plan."
He also mentions that some familiar faces will return:
"Basically, if you survived the first film, you get to be in the second film, at least in some form... Fox has partnered with me to donate a chunk of the profits to environmental causes that are at the heart of the Avatar world... I didn't want to make more Avatar movies without a grander plan in place."
Anyone else thinking that this thread should be re-named James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy or something?
He's going to run out of movie stories to rip off...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 25, 2011, 04:35:41 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 25, 2011, 04:35:41 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AMI'm actually interested to see what he's gonna set his sights on now.
He's going to run out of movie stories to rip off...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 25, 2011, 04:39:50 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 25, 2011, 04:39:50 AM
I say RDA should take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
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It's the only way to be sure.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 25, 2011, 04:42:15 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 25, 2011, 04:42:15 AM
Orbital bombardment? Qoight bloody loikleh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
He's going to run out of movie stories to rip off...
No he won't. He's only just started on the Disney stories. That'll keep him going for at least his next five :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:23:22 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
He's going to run out of movie stories to rip off...
No he won't. He's only just started on the Disney stories. That'll keep him going for at least his next five :laugh:
i wonder if his next rip off will be a combination of Disney's Atlantis, and The Little Mermaid, we all know how much he loves Underwater stuff :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
i wonder if his next rip off will be a combination of Disney's Atlantis, and The Little Mermaid, we all know how much he loves Underwater stuff :D
You heard it here first :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 11:04:36 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:58:26 AMQuote from: AvatarIII on Jan 25, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
i wonder if his next rip off will be a combination of Disney's Atlantis, and The Little Mermaid, we all know how much he loves Underwater stuff :D
You heard it here first :laugh:
honestly, and grown-up representation of Mer or Atlantean mythology would actually be really cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
Don't encourage him!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 26, 2011, 04:05:59 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 26, 2011, 04:05:59 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 25, 2011, 10:23:22 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 25, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
He's going to run out of movie stories to rip off...
No he won't. He's only just started on the Disney stories. That'll keep him going for at least his next five :laugh:
Bah, how silly of me...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 26, 2011, 06:14:39 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 26, 2011, 06:14:39 PM
I'm looking forward to the sequels. I love how the world was set up in the first movie and see what other cool animals we will see next.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 26, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Jan 26, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Mer-Na'vi will be next, i tell you!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 26, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 26, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
Nah, Jake will want to take Neytiri to the Navi dance, but her 3 mean sisters and step mother won't let her.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 26, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 26, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
That's after Neytiri visits the Navi witch to improve her looks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 26, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: MrBrokenTusks. on Jan 26, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
Any one see a similarity between avatar and that philosophers dream tank theory? If no one knows what I am on about I will try to find the theory
Edit: the theory was called the experience machine.
Edit: the theory was called the experience machine.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Jan 26, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 26, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 26, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
That's after Neytiri visits the Navi witch to improve her looks.
But Navi witch will cheat Neytiri and make her fall asleep. The she`ll turn into great Thanatosaurus Rex and Jake will have to kill her, to wake Neytiri.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Maxyboy on Jan 29, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
Post by: Maxyboy on Jan 29, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
My discussion with friends on the subject of the next Avatar film ultimately came down to the decision that since there are jellyfish-like creatures floating through the air, it would be completely rational if there were flying whales.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 06:31:40 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 06:31:40 AM
There were critters like that in Project 880. Kind of a cross between a Humpback and a Man-O-War, I think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 29, 2011, 06:37:53 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 29, 2011, 06:37:53 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg710.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F342%2Frunefactorywii.jpg&hash=5fadcae7f01aac7ea80cc02f5c6a589fe125d6d4)
A weird breed between the floating mountains and the fauna of Pandora perhaps? :laugh:
Or maybe something like this?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg211.imageshack.us%2Fimg211%2F8743%2Fterra02battleforterrawh.jpg&hash=989e2caf5b3f409f8c7127f8edd3a32a1d5a9cd2)
A weird breed between the floating mountains and the fauna of Pandora perhaps? :laugh:
Or maybe something like this?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg211.imageshack.us%2Fimg211%2F8743%2Fterra02battleforterrawh.jpg&hash=989e2caf5b3f409f8c7127f8edd3a32a1d5a9cd2)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 06:43:03 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 06:43:03 AM
Well. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 29, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 29, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 29, 2011, 06:37:53 AM
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/342/runefactorywii.jpg
A weird breed between the floating mountains and the fauna of Pandora perhaps? :laugh:
Or maybe something like this?
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8743/terra02battleforterrawh.jpg
That wouldn't surprise me...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 29, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 29, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
I remember James Cameron saying that his idea for Avatar was inspired by the Martian series from Edgar Rice Burroughs. It's not like most of Disney's movies where 100% created by themself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2011, 03:45:43 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2011, 03:45:43 AM
Perhaps, but at least they made something long lasting and unique. I'm not sure Cameron knows what either of those terms means.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 30, 2011, 04:20:59 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 30, 2011, 04:20:59 AM
Did anyone read the original screenplay for the movie? I'm reading through it right now and the movie does not seem that much different then the movie that we got.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 30, 2011, 04:24:50 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jan 30, 2011, 04:24:50 AM
You're talking about Project 880? I thought that screenplay was far more daring and interesting than what we ended up with, nice and weird.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2011, 09:39:05 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2011, 09:39:05 AM
Best Friends!
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 09:44:02 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 09:44:02 AM
sorry for being a dumbaass, i recognise Nolan and Cam obviously, but whos the other guy?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 01, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
David Fincher
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
lol, now i feel like a majopr dumbass, although i'm not sure i've seen any pics of him since stuff behind the scenes on Alien 3
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 01, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 01, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
James Cameron On Making Avatar 2 Visually Superior To The Original
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=29127 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=29127)
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal, Cameron said:
"For Avatar 2, what I'm most interested in is getting theaters to up their light level... And we want to shoot the movie at 48 or maybe even 60 frames a second, and display it at that speed, which will eliminate a lot of the motion artifacts that I think are causing some people problems."
He then continued, saying:
"I think it's because the image is strobing... That's a function of the 24-frame rate, which has actually got nothing to do with 3D. It's just made more apparent because the 3D is otherwise such an enhanced, realistic image, that all of a sudden you're aware of this funky strobing which you weren't aware of."
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=29127 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DenofL5/news/?a=29127)
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal, Cameron said:
"For Avatar 2, what I'm most interested in is getting theaters to up their light level... And we want to shoot the movie at 48 or maybe even 60 frames a second, and display it at that speed, which will eliminate a lot of the motion artifacts that I think are causing some people problems."
He then continued, saying:
"I think it's because the image is strobing... That's a function of the 24-frame rate, which has actually got nothing to do with 3D. It's just made more apparent because the 3D is otherwise such an enhanced, realistic image, that all of a sudden you're aware of this funky strobing which you weren't aware of."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 01, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 01, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
did nobody told him high frame rate looks weird?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
Cameron's posing with Nolan yet he can't make a film that could even begin to compare to Chris' in the story department; how ironic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Well T2 was better then the first Terminator movie. So maybe Avatar 2 will be better then Avatar 1?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 07:34:50 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 01, 2011, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 01, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
did nobody told him high frame rate looks weird?
48 frames would really only mean 24 fps per eye right?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:34:44 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:34:44 AM
Do you think the plot for Avatar 2 would be drastically different from Avatar 1 or will we still get RDA tries to take over Pandora again?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:41:50 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:41:50 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:34:44 AM
Do you think the plot for Avatar 2 would be drastically different from Avatar 1 or will we still get RDA tries to take over Pandora again?
Didn't Cameron say it won't be on Pandora?
Anyways, I feel that this sequel is unnecessary. I really liked the first one, and feel that it should end there. maybe a rerelease every so often or something...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:43:36 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:43:36 AM
Cameron said the sequel would be underwater.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:44:17 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:43:36 AM
Cameron said the sequel would be underwater.
Not completely underwater, right?
And if I recall, Pandora is just a moon. Avatar 2 will be on the actual planet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 02, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 02, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
I think he said something about exploring the other moons. Isn't the planet a gas giant by the way?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2011, 03:35:37 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2011, 03:35:37 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Well T2 was better then the first Terminator movie. So maybe Avatar 2 will be better then Avatar 1?
That was back in the day when he used to care about his films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PMCan I say debatable?
Well T2 was better then the first Terminator movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 12:54:33 PMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PMCan I say debatable?
Well T2 was better then the first Terminator movie.
Yes, yes you can. Not that T2 is a bad movie (T2 is amazing and one of the best movies I've ever seen) but T1 is the superior film. As I've said before, its the Alien/Aliens situation over again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2011, 02:59:32 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 02, 2011, 02:59:32 PM
In a critics stand point of view that T2 and Aliens where often stated better then the first movies before them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
Doesn't make them better for everyone.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Subjectivity rears its head.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 02, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 02, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
Aliens > T2 > T1
My two cents.
My two cents.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:00:43 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:00:43 PM
Aliens>T1>T2 But all are amazing, beautifully made movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:00:43 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa388%2FValaquen%2Femilbanner.jpg&hash=f30794c539939b4d0a8044c3860dca1734dc27a0)
Aliens>T1>T2 But all are amazing, beautifully made movies.
"I COULD KISS YOU!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 04:02:31 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:00:43 PMhttp://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa388/Valaquen/emilbanner.jpg
Aliens>T1>T2 But all are amazing, beautifully made movies.
"I COULD KISS YOU!"
That's Robocop, right? Been a while since I saw it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2011, 05:55:36 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2011, 05:55:36 PM
I think T2 is better than T1.
I also think Aliens is better than Alien.
I also think Aliens is better than Alien.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 02, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
You might enjoy this:
http://vimeo.com/19447662 (http://vimeo.com/19447662)
http://vimeo.com/19447662 (http://vimeo.com/19447662)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Bad Replicant on Feb 02, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: Bad Replicant on Feb 02, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Feb 02, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
Aliens > T2 > T1
My two cents.
T2 > Aliens > T1
;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 02, 2011, 09:18:37 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 02, 2011, 09:18:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 02, 2011, 09:44:55 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 02, 2011, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 02, 2011, 09:18:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14#ws)
We've a winner! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 02, 2011, 11:28:08 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 02, 2011, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2011, 04:00:43 PM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F27.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l90jnigubh1qa1xnko1_500.gif&hash=8633edac36cc37d28c6392776349ce06ccb697c4)
Aliens>T1>T2 But all are amazing, beautifully made movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 03, 2011, 03:11:09 AM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 03, 2011, 03:11:09 AM
has there ever been an example of two sequels being made back to back that haven't been wall to wall colossal f**king shit
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 03, 2011, 03:23:18 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 03, 2011, 03:23:18 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 03, 2011, 03:11:09 AM*Thinks* BTTF 2 and 3? ... ...
has there ever been an example of two sequels being made back to back that haven't been wall to wall colossal f**king shit
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2011, 03:30:57 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2011, 03:30:57 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 03, 2011, 03:11:09 AMLord of the Ringses
has there ever been an example of two sequels being made back to back that haven't been wall to wall colossal f**king shit
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Both of thems^
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2011, 04:08:35 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2011, 04:08:35 AM
Hence the 'es' at the end
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 03, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Feb 03, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 03, 2011, 04:08:35 AM
Hence the 'es' at the end
i think he meant both LOTR and BTTF
also i may be alone but i liked the Matrix Sequels
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 03, 2011, 05:11:56 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 03, 2011, 05:11:56 PM
It takes 5 years for humans to reach Earth from Pandora so it'll take 5 yrs for the humans to leave Pandora after the first film and another 5 years to come back for a reinvasion. That's 10 years at least between films, anybody think we'll see Jake and Neyteiri's child as a teenager?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sylizar on Feb 03, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: Sylizar on Feb 03, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
We know the second one is dealing with some bug things. So humans are out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 03, 2011, 09:34:10 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 03, 2011, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 03, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
We know the second one is dealing with some bug things. So humans are out.
That's a rumor for now. I like it though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 03, 2011, 09:30:06 PMIf that's true, I am so f**king out.
We know the second one is dealing with some bug things. So humans are out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 03, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 03, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Pbc8SQwV8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Pbc8SQwV8#)
were you guys having any expectations at this point?
were you guys having any expectations at this point?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:24 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:24 PM
There had better be RDA humans in the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2011, 09:35:32 PMQuote from: Sylizar on Feb 03, 2011, 09:30:06 PMIf that's true, I am so f**king out.
We know the second one is dealing with some bug things. So humans are out.
Ditto. The humans are the best part.
They're the heroes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 04, 2011, 12:10:48 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Feb 04, 2011, 12:10:48 AM
Brave space marines, fighting the foul xeno wherever it shows its face.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 04, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 04, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Quote from: Shasvre on Feb 04, 2011, 12:10:48 AM
Brave space marines, fighting the foul xeno wherever it shows its face.
Now I want to see Operation Aliens!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 01:58:42 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 01:58:42 AM
I dream about Operation Aliens. Nightly. It's bliss.
But I always have to wake up. *sigh*
But I always have to wake up. *sigh*
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 04, 2011, 02:01:50 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 04, 2011, 02:01:50 AM
At least there are still the Kenner toys and comics ;D
Hey, predxeno, just curious, do you consider the Kenner stuff to be canon?
Hey, predxeno, just curious, do you consider the Kenner stuff to be canon?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I haven't read the kenner comics yet. :-[ Though, I probably will...even though that may mean a lot of retconning from what little I've heard about them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 04, 2011, 03:19:12 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 04, 2011, 03:19:12 AM
Kenner is a toy line.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:19:47 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:19:47 AM
We know, but some of the Kenner Alien toys came with Alien comics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 04, 2011, 03:23:13 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 04, 2011, 03:23:13 AM
You don't take the info on the trading cards as canon, do you?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 04, 2011, 03:23:58 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 04, 2011, 03:23:58 AM
which are not comics by the way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:46:58 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 04, 2011, 03:46:58 AM
This toy packaging clearly says "comic".
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51M0WNVDNVL.jpg&hash=b55e28f8de1dcb97e26e91491c728736b27bf5ae)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51M0WNVDNVL.jpg&hash=b55e28f8de1dcb97e26e91491c728736b27bf5ae)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2011, 06:26:45 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2011, 06:26:45 AM
It's rolled up under the tail.
And also laughable rubbish.
And also laughable rubbish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2011, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2011, 08:18:26 AM
The second Predxeno starts retconning the Kenner comics, I'm putting him on my "ignore" list.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
You'll be missing out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:02:14 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:02:14 AM
Predxeno, here's a little spoiler for the Kenner comics
So unless you intertwine the events of the comics into Aliens somehow, you won't get any canon out of them :)
Spoiler
The marines are still alive
[close]
So unless you intertwine the events of the comics into Aliens somehow, you won't get any canon out of them :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:02:14 AM
Predxeno, here's a little spoiler for the Kenner comicsSpoiler
The marines are still alive[close]
So unless you intertwine the events of the comics into Aliens somehow, you won't get any canon out of them :)
That's what I heard. So far I've retconned that they are all synthetics like Ripley was in Aliens Female War made by the same group that made her (I suspect it was a group in side Weyland-Yutani, in AVP Hunter's Planet, I think they mentioned a secret group inside the company that disagrees with some of the unethical practices their corporation makes).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
predxeno please explain to me the swarm alien
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:29:07 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:29:07 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
predxeno please explain to me the swarm alien
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3095%2F3154782365_f4483e994e.jpg&hash=600ab7d708cb43ef3f628751712c6481446ff678)
You mean the Mantis Alien? That was my favorite one!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
Post by: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
no i mean the swarm alien: (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20090110211618%2Faliens%2Fimages%2F3%2F33%2FFigSwarm1a.jpg&hash=923a7c3b3752395bbe19d863fab43229442bf9ee)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:39:47 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 03:39:47 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
no i mean the swarm alien: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090110211618/aliens/images/3/33/FigSwarm1a.jpg
Oh, I thought you meant Mantis, since the comic it came with was called Swarm ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 03:59:06 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 03:59:06 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
predxeno please explain to me the swarm alien
what is there to explain it is right there
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:08:22 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:08:22 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 05, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
predxeno please explain to me the swarm alien
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F5145BQAWE0L.jpg&hash=3051a79171c093ec217c836a1a36a0edfca07637)
My explanation for the Swarm Alien is this. In Predator Forever Midnight, there's an alien creature that's very similar to this Alien in design. There were 2 parts, one dog-like and the other was like a remote-controlled wasp or bird (can't remember which) that the creature could control. An Alien simply impregnated one of these creatures or a creature similar to it. As for the laser eyes part, in Predator Flesh and Blood, it's said that the Predators have once hunted animals capable of discharging pure electricity, taking this into account, the idea of other offworld creatures having laser eyes doesn't sound too inconceivable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 04:09:13 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2011, 04:09:13 AM
:o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:11:02 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:11:02 AM
It helps knowing lots of EU material on the AVP universe; that way, you can use it to help smooth out many other "inconsistencies" other people point out. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 04:12:07 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 04:12:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:08:22 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmicahmcmillan.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F09%2Fits-full-of-stars.jpg&hash=6ef54e4c86d620f8e5737e306da66e3682f0ae95)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5145BQAWE0L.jpg
My explanation for this Alien is this. In Predator Forever Midnight, there's an alien creature that's very similar to this Alien in design. There were 2 parts, one dog-like and the other was like a remote-controlled wasp or bird (can't remember which) that the creature could control. An Alien simply impregnated one of these creatures or a creature similar to it. As for the laser eyes part, in Predator Flesh and Blood, it's said that the Predators have once hunted animals capable of discharging pure electricity, taking this into account, the idea of offworld aliens having laser eyes doesn't sound too inconceivable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:19:00 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2011, 04:19:00 AM
Thank you for this trip down memory lane, I'd forgotten about many of these toys and their unique traits. In my opinion, they make the Aliens seem so much more amazing. :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 04:24:03 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 04:24:03 AM
You aren't real.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 05, 2011, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 05, 2011, 05:26:00 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi39.tinypic.com%2F168sear.jpg&hash=58801061a95f0f61b6cf47c5c6e5cf71d66cf99d)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 05, 2011, 06:12:12 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 05, 2011, 06:12:12 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.tinypic.com%2F2646ip2.gif&hash=267a3ce980d06a5b9d00e8169ac2479404401477)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 05, 2011, 06:39:33 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 05, 2011, 06:39:33 AM
James Cameron On The Challenges Of 'Avatar' Sequel's Underwater Scenes
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/04/james-cameron-avatar-sanctum/ (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/04/james-cameron-avatar-sanctum/)
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/04/james-cameron-avatar-sanctum/ (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/04/james-cameron-avatar-sanctum/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
I'm thinking performance capture underwater would be simpler than filming something like the underwater scenes in Resurrection. The actors can keep breathing gear on and stay underwater for longer takes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 24, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Feb 24, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
Haha That was hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XSQZE3cAlw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XSQZE3cAlw#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XSQZE3cAlw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XSQZE3cAlw#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Feb 24, 2011, 09:52:11 PM
Post by: King Rathalos on Feb 24, 2011, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 05, 2011, 05:26:00 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi39.tinypic.com%2F168sear.jpg&hash=58801061a95f0f61b6cf47c5c6e5cf71d66cf99d)
Is that from Hot Fuzz? :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 25, 2011, 04:13:15 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Feb 25, 2011, 04:13:15 AM
Yes. Yes, it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Mar 28, 2011, 03:26:32 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 28, 2011, 03:26:32 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37606.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37606.0)
I posted this in its own thread awhile ago, but I just thought to post it here so:
Is there a facehugger in James Cameron's Avatar? According to this, there might just be.
http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar (http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar)
I posted this in its own thread awhile ago, but I just thought to post it here so:
Is there a facehugger in James Cameron's Avatar? According to this, there might just be.
http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar (http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ghost Rider on Mar 28, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Post by: Ghost Rider on Mar 28, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 28, 2011, 03:26:32 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37606.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37606.0)
I posted this in its own thread awhile ago, but I just thought to post it here so:
Is there a facehugger in James Cameron's Avatar? According to this, there might just be.
http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar (http://www.ugo.com/movies/facehugger-in-avatar)
In short, a snowball's chance in Hell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 03:44:30 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 03:44:30 AM
Dude those are tree roots in a jar.
Like the ones we saw them prodding with (to avoid using a user name) pointy sticks.
Like the ones we saw them prodding with (to avoid using a user name) pointy sticks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:46:21 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:46:21 AM
Someone mention me?
Ah yes, this thread. One of my favourites. Let the good times roll.
Ah yes, this thread. One of my favourites. Let the good times roll.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 03:50:57 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 03:50:57 AM
Considering it contains this quote
It was already awesome.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 04:24:03 AM
You aren't real.
It was already awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:56:40 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:56:40 AM
This is also where I wrote that letter, so I have nothing but fond memories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 28, 2011, 04:15:51 AM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 28, 2011, 04:15:51 AM
James Cameron And Arnold Schwarzenegger Reunite
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/03/23/james-cameron-arnold-schwarzenegger-reunion/ (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/03/23/james-cameron-arnold-schwarzenegger-reunion/)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc09.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2011%2F038%2Fc%2Fa%2Farnold_schwarzenegger_avatar_2_by_dyvoff-d390im7.jpg&hash=41a56321a6723a7858ed4f0b994e31cd401a3008)
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/03/23/james-cameron-arnold-schwarzenegger-reunion/ (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/03/23/james-cameron-arnold-schwarzenegger-reunion/)
QuoteLet's pedal back a bit. Last night on Twitter, the former Governator posted a curious photo of himself and Cameron, his longtime collaborator through "Terminator" and "True Lies," huddled around a laptop on an airplane.
"Excited to take off on a Brazilian adventure w/ @JimCameron," he wrote. "Stay tuned for updates from the rainforest."
Schwarzenegger's tweet got us wondering — might that "Brazilian adventure" have something to do with a little planet called Pandora?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc09.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2011%2F038%2Fc%2Fa%2Farnold_schwarzenegger_avatar_2_by_dyvoff-d390im7.jpg&hash=41a56321a6723a7858ed4f0b994e31cd401a3008)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2011, 04:24:42 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2011, 04:24:42 AM
Nah more like they're getting their scrotums waxed just like in the old days.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Mar 28, 2011, 05:52:52 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Mar 28, 2011, 05:52:52 AM
I don't see why Cameron wouldn't want to have Arnie in this trilogy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2011, 06:04:09 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2011, 06:04:09 AM
And Arnie wouldn't have to get his old saggy ass into shape or anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Prime113 on Mar 28, 2011, 06:34:37 AM
Post by: Prime113 on Mar 28, 2011, 06:34:37 AM
Have you seen him lately? He isn't out of shape.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 07:08:09 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 07:08:09 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabsandflabs.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F09%2Farnold-schwarzenegger-fat-pictures-22.jpg&hash=734555a482e82fb7a03f25c9fc66d8e00e258da6)
Explain.
Explain.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 28, 2011, 03:01:36 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Mar 28, 2011, 03:01:36 PM
James Cameron plans Avatar 2 training trip to Brazilian rainforest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/mar/28/james-cameron-avatar-2-brazil (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/mar/28/james-cameron-avatar-2-brazil)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/mar/28/james-cameron-avatar-2-brazil (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/mar/28/james-cameron-avatar-2-brazil)
QuoteCanadian director says he wants cast to learn about 'the natives and what real life in the jungle is like'(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.guim.co.uk%2Fsys-images%2FFilm%2FPix%2Fpictures%2F2011%2F3%2F28%2F1301309551115%2FJames-Cameron-Avatar-2-in-007.jpg&hash=b3c99ab34025102e75c866c0afbcabb8d276cad9)
It may not be Pandora, the lush moon of his blockbuster film Avatar, but according to James Cameron, the Brazilian rainforest is the next best thing. Speaking at a sustainability forum last week, the Canadian director said he wanted to bring the cast of the film's forthcoming sequels to south America to learn about "the natives and what real life in the jungle is like".
Cameron added: "Avatar is a film about the rainforest and its indigenous people. Before I start to shoot the two films I want to bring my actors here, so I can better tell this story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
Better tell this story? You mean you'll actually try to pen something original this time?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 28, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 28, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Mar 28, 2011, 07:08:09 AMHeard it was a fake a while back. Don't expect tip-top shape, though.
http://absandflabs.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/arnold-schwarzenegger-fat-pictures-22.jpg
Explain.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:04:48 PMYou're bored, I know :-*
Better tell this story? You mean you'll actually try to pen something original this time?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
Doubt it's fake. He took steroids when he was building himself up and those can lead to man-boobs later on in life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
I see no moobs, only an extra protective layer of manflesh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
Depends on the amount taken.
I am. Doesn't mean he knows how to tell a good story.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 28, 2011, 03:05:19 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:04:48 PMYou're bored, I know :-*
Better tell this story? You mean you'll actually try to pen something original this time?
I am. Doesn't mean he knows how to tell a good story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
Ugh. Have we not been over this?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
Welcome to the thread, homie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:19:32 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Mar 28, 2011, 03:19:32 PM
I know, it's about 800 pages long, give or take a thousand.
I'm out.
I'm out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:02:29 PM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:02:29 PM
From the Avatar facebook page:
QuoteA new planet has been discovered! Scientists are quickly nicknaming it "Pandora" due to its blue color and photographic evidence suggests it could be home to alien organisms
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 01, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Apr 01, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
Should have named it Cadia or Catachan. :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
how about bob?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:16:44 PM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:16:44 PM
Better yet, LV-426. :D ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
Predxeno ... what date was the post made on? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Dachande on Apr 01, 2011, 10:20:21 PM
Post by: Dachande on Apr 01, 2011, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
Predxeno ... what date was the post made on? :P
I don't think Predxeno quite understands April Fools day.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
Dammit. I'll be right back and see if I can find any articles to back this up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
You're not going to. There's a big enough hint in the post itself -- "photographic evidence suggests it could be home to alien organisms". We couldn't even get photographic evidence of life on pluto, let alone an extrasolar planet!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:23:53 PM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:23:53 PM
I was wondering why the post didn't have any link to back their story up. Ugh, I hate this day. >:( It's like everybody loses their minds, reverts back to childhood, and fib everywhere to everyone. Though I did find this article, thankfully not published on April 1, that says some fans are suicidal cause Pandora isn't real.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 01, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 01, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 01, 2011, 10:23:53 PMI wish that was published on April 1st.
Though I did find this article, thankfully not published on April 1, that says some fans are suicidal cause Pandora isn't real.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6977817/Avatar-fans-suicidal-because-planet-Pandora-is-not-real.html)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 11:19:23 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 11:19:23 PM
why? to me it's a beautiful sight.
natural selection taking place right in front of our eyes!
natural selection taking place right in front of our eyes!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 02, 2011, 05:57:19 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 02, 2011, 05:57:19 AM
Darwin Awards, anyone?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: samoht on Apr 02, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: samoht on Apr 02, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Stacy Kaiser, a psychotherapist, said obsession with the film was masking more serious problems in the fans' lives. "They're seeing Avatar, they're lonely people, a lot of them don't have a lot going on in their lives right now," she said. "The movie opened up a portal for them to express their depression."
I guess thats a good thing. As in, that the film itself isn't making them depressed, just assisting if you get my drift.
I guess thats a good thing. As in, that the film itself isn't making them depressed, just assisting if you get my drift.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Apr 02, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: Le Celticant on Apr 02, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
You're not going to. There's a big enough hint in the post itself -- "photographic evidence suggests it could be home to alien organisms". We couldn't even get photographic evidence of life on pluto, let alone an extrasolar planet!
+1
And even closer to us: Europa, which is supposed to hide water beneath its surface due to heat core activity and could have enough component to allow the development of life.
Seeking lifeform in the universe with our current technology is just... well it isn't at all.
And I would also says that a 'blue planet' doesn't mean water... there are gas blue planet aswell. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2011, 11:48:52 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2011, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 11:19:23 PMThis message is a horrible and cynistic view of the events linked in there. I'm a Monster for saying what I'm going to say right now... but I completely agree with what Chupacabras said above.
why? to me it's a beautiful sight.
natural selection taking place right in front of our eyes!
To those people I can only say get the f**k up and come out of your f**king delusional dreams.
Jee, Avatar really is something that left a mark. We have those delusional people, people basing religion on Eiwa, and people using Na'Vi to reinforce their environmentalist protests.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2011, 11:41:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2011, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 01, 2011, 11:19:23 PM
why? to me it's a beautiful sight.
natural selection taking place right in front of our eyes!
Gotta agree with you on this one. Let these morons die if they're really that stupid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 12:23:28 AM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 12:23:28 AM
Isn't that a bit cruel? I mean, what if the doctor was right and Avatar is just a way for these people to express their depression? It's the same depression as before, it's just taken a different path.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2011, 12:45:10 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2011, 12:45:10 AM
No. If they're dumb enough to commit suicide because a fictious planet doesn't exist, then they aren't very bright people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
They know that Pandora doesn't exist, but they wish it did. This probably suggests that they wish they could go to a place that is free of many of the pressures and concerns that plague them everyday. They aren't stupid, they're just being wistful.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2011, 01:30:44 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2011, 01:30:44 AM
QuoteFans of the film have flooded the internet to express their distress at realising they will never be able to visit the utopian planet.
Sounds to me like they only just figured it out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 01:33:31 AM
Post by: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 01:33:31 AM
Probably just the article making it sound that way.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 12:18:34 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 12:18:34 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 02, 2011, 11:28:18 AMQuote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
You're not going to. There's a big enough hint in the post itself -- "photographic evidence suggests it could be home to alien organisms". We couldn't even get photographic evidence of life on pluto, let alone an extrasolar planet!
+1
And even closer to us: Europa, which is supposed to hide water beneath its surface due to heat core activity and could have enough component to allow the development of life.
Seeking lifeform in the universe with our current technology is just... well it isn't at all.
And I would also says that a 'blue planet' doesn't mean water... there are gas blue planet aswell. ::)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2011, 12:22:34 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2011, 12:22:34 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Apr 03, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
They know that Pandora doesn't exist, but they wish it did. This probably suggests that they wish they could go to a place that is free of many of the pressures and concerns that plague them everyday. They aren't stupid, they're just being wistful.
I have to agree with PX. I feel bad for these people.
I mean, its stupid to wish that a fictional planet could be your escape from reality, but it is sad that these people do this over it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2011, 02:47:06 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2011, 02:47:06 AM
Why have sympathy for blatant idiocy?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 03:06:21 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 03:06:21 AM
I totes wants to live here!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:11:34 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:11:34 AM
Anyone who has lived deep into the Jungle or any dense forest will tell you how much it f**king sucks.
it really baffles me anyone would want to live in pandora. its three times as dangerous and unsuitable for life, the locals are tools and its not even that pretty.
it really baffles me anyone would want to live in pandora. its three times as dangerous and unsuitable for life, the locals are tools and its not even that pretty.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Apr 04, 2011, 03:13:46 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Apr 04, 2011, 03:13:46 AM
Not to mention the whole planet is a giant sinister brain that controls everything and intentionally keeps civilization in the stone age. Lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 03:15:22 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 03:15:22 AM
But... but ... big floaty ROCKS!!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Apr 04, 2011, 03:16:03 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Apr 04, 2011, 03:16:03 AM
AND COLOURS!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:17:00 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:17:00 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Apr 04, 2011, 03:13:46 AMsee, now i'm thinking of Starship Troopers 3: marauder.
Not to mention the whole planet is a giant sinister brain that controls everything and intentionally keeps civilization in the stone age. Lame.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Apr 04, 2011, 03:19:55 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Apr 04, 2011, 03:19:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2011, 03:15:22 AM
But... but ... big floaty ROCKS!!!
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 04, 2011, 03:16:03 AM
AND COLOURS!
And population control by way of brutal, bonecrushing and/or drug-induced deadly-death initiation ceremonies! YeeeeahI'dratherhaveaSpinner.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:17:00 AM
see, now i'm thinking of Starship Troopers 3: marauder.
Probably the most faithful Heinlein adaptation to date. Grok dat shit up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:26:07 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:26:07 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2011, 04:53:49 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2011, 04:53:49 AM
Oh man...>_<
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Apr 04, 2011, 08:13:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 04, 2011, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:26:07 AMHOW MANY ZEROS DO YOU WANT ON THIS CHEQUE.
Guys
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 04, 2011, 11:41:43 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 04, 2011, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2011, 08:13:54 AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3UpdOg5704# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3UpdOg5704#)Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:26:07 AMHOW MANY ZEROS DO YOU WANT ON THIS CHEQUE.
Guys
Listen
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Cannibal Holocaust in Pandora[close]
i am seriously considering doing it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 21, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 21, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
James Cameron talks Avatar sequels.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Ozymandias/news/?a=39983 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Ozymandias/news/?a=39983)
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Ozymandias/news/?a=39983 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Ozymandias/news/?a=39983)
QuoteWe're shooting two films back-to-back, so I'm writing two scripts, not one, which will complete a free-film story arc - not really a trilogy, but just an overall character arc so I'm pretty excited about that. We're doing a lot of preliminary work right now on new software and new animation techniques and so on. We're creating a new facility in Manhattan Beach so everybody that's not already dead is coming back."
"Another thing the Manhattan Beach studio affords us is the ability to expand. Should we need to pick up and do a live action shoot, should we need more space, they have it."
"There's always an expectation. I had to deal with that after The Terminator back in 1984. All of a sudden I had a big hit movie and it was 'what are you doing next?' But my job is take the audience on a journey and entertain them," he said. "The second I am sitting down writing, I just go to Pandora. I don't think about that stuff, about standing on a red carpet. It has its own life, really. The characters have their own lives."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: jacc.90 on Jul 09, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
Post by: jacc.90 on Jul 09, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 04, 2011, 03:26:07 AMMUAHAHAHA i'd see it
Guys
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0olGKc8p8s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0olGKc8p8s#)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 11, 2011, 03:41:16 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 11, 2011, 03:41:16 AM
Looks like they start filming next year for Avatar 2
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 11, 2011, 03:59:56 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Aug 11, 2011, 03:59:56 AM
Cool.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Aug 11, 2011, 04:14:40 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Aug 11, 2011, 04:14:40 AM
Can't wait to see what they've got goin' on.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Aug 11, 2011, 04:15:58 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Aug 11, 2011, 04:15:58 AM
I'm just glad to have this topic active again. It has brought us so much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 11, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 11, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 11, 2011, 03:41:16 AM
Looks like they start filming next year for Avatar 2
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jazzywazzy/news/?a=44091)
so they aren't filming 2 and 3 back to back?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Aug 11, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 11, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Oh man this time around I can use this:
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 11, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 11, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Oh man this time around I can use this:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lizff5A3pO1qc45nxo1_250.png
Indeed. The "Pocahontas in space" argument is over. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Sso02V on Aug 11, 2011, 04:47:02 PM
Post by: Sso02V on Aug 11, 2011, 04:47:02 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 11, 2011, 04:42:38 PMNow it can be Pocahontas 2 in space.Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Oh man this time around I can use this:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lizff5A3pO1qc45nxo1_250.png
Indeed. The "Pocahontas in space" argument is over. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 11, 2011, 04:48:02 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 11, 2011, 04:48:02 PM
And everyone who liked the movie can reply, "We know. So what?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 11, 2011, 05:09:42 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 11, 2011, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 11, 2011, 04:48:02 PM
And everyone who liked the movie can reply, "We know. So what?"
This.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 11, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 11, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
Pocahontas was based off of the encounter with Englishman John Smith and the settlers that arrived from the Virginia Company though. It's not like if it was original neither.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 11, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 11, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Oh man this time around I can use this:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lizff5A3pO1qc45nxo1_250.png
No way I'm seeing this film without reading viewer reviews first. I don't want to waste points or money on a 2-hour cliche.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 12, 2011, 08:34:58 PM
Post by: Darkoo on Aug 12, 2011, 08:34:58 PM
Sam Worthington Gives Up Some AVATAR Sequel Details!
http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html (http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html)
http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html (http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html)
Quote"Jim's the person who will tell me when to show up, I've talked to him, he's told me what his plans for the story are, and it's huge. It's just monumental. "
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 12, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 12, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Aug 12, 2011, 08:34:58 PMHe was on Jay Leno last night too.
Sam Worthington Gives Up Some AVATAR Sequel Details!
http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html (http://www.scriptflags.com/2011/08/sam-worthington-gives-up-some-avatar.html)Quote"Jim's the person who will tell me when to show up, I've talked to him, he's told me what his plans for the story are, and it's huge. It's just monumental. "
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 20, 2011, 12:16:32 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 20, 2011, 12:16:32 AM
Jimmy really does know how to handle a sequel, but nonetheless, I'll probably give it a pass.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Sep 29, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
Post by: Topazora on Sep 29, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
maybe Fox will do to Avatar what they did to AvP?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2011, 07:25:19 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2011, 07:25:19 AM
Any pros and cons in regards to Avatar will be solely down to Cameron; not Fox.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Sep 29, 2011, 07:27:39 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Sep 29, 2011, 07:27:39 AM
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 29, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
maybe Fox will do to Avatar what they did to AvP?
Avatar vs Pocahantas?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2011, 07:32:35 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2011, 07:32:35 AM
Three hours of the Tree of Souls and Grandma Willow trying to battle it out, while being mere inches out of each others reach.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Sep 29, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Sep 29, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
I had to google Grandma Willow just to understand that lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 29, 2011, 07:41:51 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 29, 2011, 07:41:51 AM
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 29, 2011, 07:24:06 AMFOX don't own Avatar; they didn't even fund the whole thing. Only about 40-60% of the budget.
maybe Fox will do to Avatar what they did to AvP?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Sep 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Sep 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 29, 2011, 07:41:51 AMQuote from: Topazora on Sep 29, 2011, 07:24:06 AMFOX don't own Avatar; they didn't even fund the whole thing. Only about 40-60% of the budget.
maybe Fox will do to Avatar what they did to AvP?
And no way in hell James Cameron would ever sign off on them killing his baby.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
I doubt they could make it dumber than it already was. Ok not dumb but, less entertaining anyway.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 05:01:03 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 05:01:03 AM
Avatar was hardly original but this is funny:
Cameron's Avatar script has been floating around since 1994, and how can you come up with the idea of the AMP suit when Cameron himself stated it was influenced by the Starship Troopers book?
QuoteJames Cameron Sued By Sci-Fi Fan Who Claims He Had Original 'Avatar' Ideahttp://www.contactmusic.com/news/james-cameron-sued-by-sci-fi-fan-who-claims-he-had-original-avatar-idea_1274165 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news/james-cameron-sued-by-sci-fi-fan-who-claims-he-had-original-avatar-idea_1274165)
James Cameron is facing legal action by an angry sci-fi fan who claims that he came up with the original concept for the smash-hit blockbuster 'Avatar'. Eric Ryder, who originally worked in the movie's production company is suing James Cameron by claiming that it was his idea to produce an "environmentally themed 3-D epic about a corporation's colonization and plundering of a distant moon's lush and wondrous natural setting" long before 'Avatar', according to TMZ.
In the lawsuit, Ryder suggests that he came up with a very similar idea for a movie, titled 'KRZ 2068' and had pitched it to Cameron in 1999 only to be rejected. Ryder even goes as far as to argue that he had come up with the concept of the "self-contained robotic exterior suits which house a single human operator" which villain Stephen Lang wears in 'Avatar'. James Cameron had always stated that he had come up with the idea for 'Avatar' in the early 1990s but had to wait all this time so that technology could catch up with his concepts. Talking in 2010, Cameron had stated: 'I certainly feel a personal sense of responsibility because I made a movie on these issues. Why? Because they were personally important to me.' Cameron's reps are yet to comment on the lawsuit.
James Cameron is currently working simultaneously on the second and third sequels in the 'Avatar' franchise, due for release in 2014 and 2015.
Cameron's Avatar script has been floating around since 1994, and how can you come up with the idea of the AMP suit when Cameron himself stated it was influenced by the Starship Troopers book?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2011, 10:24:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2011, 10:24:27 AM
Starship Troopers did it. Then Japan did it all ways till Tuesday. Then Aliens did it. Christ, the guy might as well say he came up with the idea of opening titles.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 11, 2011, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 11, 2011, 04:21:16 PM
I'm surprised this is actually being launched. As I recall it didn't work out very well for Harlan Ellison back in the late 80s when he sued Cameron for allegedly ripping off Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 11, 2011, 04:21:16 PMFixed :P Ellison never sued Cameron for 'Demon,' he denied this on his own message boards: "'Terminator' was not stolen from 'Demon with a Glass Hand,' it was a ripoff of my OTHER Outer Limits script, 'Soldier.'" Of course, the only similarities between Solider and Terminator was:
I'm surprised this is actually being launched. As I recall it didn't work out very well for Harlan Ellison back in the late 80s when he sued Cameron for allegedly ripping off Soldierand Demon with a Glass Hand.
1) Both The Terminator and 'Soldier' open with exposition describing a future full of warfare:
2) Both stories then have characters travel in time through a circular visual effect. (Although, technically, the sphere wasn't even visible until T2.)
3) Both stories have the protagonists from the hellish future arrive in a present day alley, and the police show up almost immediately.
Ellison himself acknowledged that it was the first three minutes of the film that correlated to Soldier. Anyway, Ellison never sued, he only threatened to. Cameron explained: "I expected Hemdale and Orion to fight for my rights, but they abandoned me. The insurance company told me if I didn't agree to the settlement, they would come after me personally for the damages if they lost the suit. Having no money at the time, I had no choice but to agree to the settlement."
Anyway, litigation an' all! :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: mastermoon on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:29 PM
Post by: mastermoon on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:29 PM
Avatar is not a bad movie but I think there were better Alien based movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2011, 09:36:41 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Dec 11, 2011, 09:36:41 PM
Avatar was amazing. I expect the sequels will be the same.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 11, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
I still enjoy Avatar. Knowing James Cameron, the sequels will likely be better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2011, 11:28:05 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2011, 11:28:05 PM
That won't be hard. All he has to do is come up with a story as interesting as the visuals.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
i was pretty worried Avatar would be s**t and I'd end up with a user name people would associate with a s**t movie for the rest of my life, but i was happy with the end result, especially the extended cut, it was a big improvement, fingers crossed the 3rd one will be the best.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Pn2501 on Dec 14, 2011, 10:57:16 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Dec 14, 2011, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
i was pretty worried Avatar would be s**t and I'd end up with a user name people would associate with a s**t movie for the rest of my life, but i was happy with the end result, especially the extended cut, it was a big improvement, fingers crossed the 3rd one will be the best.
wow that really is a leap of faith, more interesting that some one already took avatar and avatar 2, i honestly thought your username had some higher significance.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
it does, I have been using AvatarIII for a LOOOOONG time, but that doesn't stop people from associating it with the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Pn2501 on Dec 14, 2011, 11:11:16 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Dec 14, 2011, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
it does, I have been using AvatarIII for a LOOOOONG time, but that doesn't stop people from associating it with the movie.
good good, yeah i was questioning my judgment about you, didn't think you were the type to be a Cameron superfanboy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 14, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 14, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AMI really liked the extended cut too. Don't think I'll return to the threatrical, though I'll need a whole night to fit in the extended version :P
i was pretty worried Avatar would be s**t and I'd end up with a user name people would associate with a s**t movie for the rest of my life, but i was happy with the end result, especially the extended cut, it was a big improvement, fingers crossed the 3rd one will be the best.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2011, 08:27:59 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2011, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
i was pretty worried Avatar would be s**t and I'd end up with a user name people would associate with a s**t movie for the rest of my life, but i was happy with the end result, especially the extended cut, it was a big improvement, fingers crossed the 3rd one will be the best.
Why do you care? You always used to harp on the fact that your name wasn't associated with it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2011, 08:27:59 PMQuote from: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
i was pretty worried Avatar would be s**t and I'd end up with a user name people would associate with a s**t movie for the rest of my life, but i was happy with the end result, especially the extended cut, it was a big improvement, fingers crossed the 3rd one will be the best.
Why do you care? You always used to harp on the fact that your name wasn't associated with it.
There are new users all the time that might not know, I only care because it was kind of annoying when a movie came out with the same name asmy long standing user name which I therefore feel an ownership to, and if the movie was crap it would have felt like a tarnish on my name. it would be like having a name and then a universally hated celebrity showed up with the exact same name.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
You should sue Cameron for gimmick infringement. You wouldn't be the first, anyway ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 08:45:09 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Dec 14, 2011, 08:45:09 PM
Nah, lol I've only been using the name since around 99, everyone knows cam wrote avatar in like 94, I just didn't know about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
http://www.movieweb.com/news/avatar-2-release-pushed-to-2016-says-jon-landau (http://www.movieweb.com/news/avatar-2-release-pushed-to-2016-says-jon-landau)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CofbOiKj0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CofbOiKj0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CofbOiKj0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CofbOiKj0#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 12, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 12, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ttDk9uWPQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ttDk9uWPQ#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ttDk9uWPQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ttDk9uWPQ#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
that's bad news for Cameron if he really wants to push the envelope. his FX will be not be as impressive and he can't risk the selling point of these movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
that's bad news for Cameron if he really wants to push the envelope. his FX will be not be as impressive and he can't risk the selling point of these movies.
It should actually work otherwise: I believe it's all about Cameron wanting to push the technology even further.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:22:44 PM
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:54:12 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
that's bad news for Cameron if he really wants to push the envelope. his FX will be not be as impressive and he can't risk the selling point of these movies.
It should actually work otherwise: I believe it's all about Cameron wanting to push the technology even further.
So Cameron's basically waiting for the next gen console to come out for his new game....if we're speaking in game terms. I don't know. I don't really like a 7 year wait between movies. By then, I believe a lot of peoples interest will have faded away. Well, I atleast know mine will.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 12, 2012, 04:27:56 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 12, 2012, 04:27:56 PM
Well he has to get it right. The first movie broke most records going in money terms. And it revolutionised cinema by making 3D work. It's almost an impossible act to follow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Yeah, I agree. Almost impossible. But, yet, it's so easy. I mean, the only thing that separated Avatar from Dance with Wolves, Fern Gully, etc.. was the visuals. The story was hardly revolutionary.
So, almost impossible technically, incredibly easy story wise. And, now that I think about it - Is he gonna wait 7 years so ticket inflation will rise substantially, so he will be able to set the record again? :laugh: I mean, JC's ego knows no bounds.
So, almost impossible technically, incredibly easy story wise. And, now that I think about it - Is he gonna wait 7 years so ticket inflation will rise substantially, so he will be able to set the record again? :laugh: I mean, JC's ego knows no bounds.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:48:56 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:36:03 PMHow so? I hear/see this ad hominem around and, well, what's the rampant ego thing about?
I mean, JC's ego knows no bounds.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Cameron can obviously tell a story, and is a fantastic director, but the sequels will have to be more developed. Personally I enjoyed Avatar, but thought it was a step back from films like Aliens and The Terminator. I suppose we could consider Avatar Cameron's "Episode I" where he just wanted to see what he could really do with the technology.
The Fern Gully deal going on Pandora was a bit off. I think Cameron should stick to sci-fi realism and try to limit the sparkling colors in the sequels.
I also have to say that he's my number one choice for all things Space/Sci-Fi military in a film. So far I've yet to see such designs, SFX, and realistic execution of a future military in such well done films.
The Fern Gully deal going on Pandora was a bit off. I think Cameron should stick to sci-fi realism and try to limit the sparkling colors in the sequels.
I also have to say that he's my number one choice for all things Space/Sci-Fi military in a film. So far I've yet to see such designs, SFX, and realistic execution of a future military in such well done films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:59:12 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 04:55:01 PMSame here. I doubt Avatar 2 will be as gritty as those films, unfortunately.
Personally I enjoyed Avatar, but thought it was a step back from films like Aliens and The Terminator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: r888 on Jan 12, 2012, 05:26:05 PM
Post by: r888 on Jan 12, 2012, 05:26:05 PM
Can't wait for avatar 2
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 12, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Jan 12, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:59:12 PMQuote from: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 04:55:01 PMSame here. I doubt Avatar 2 will be as gritty as those films, unfortunately.
Personally I enjoyed Avatar, but thought it was a step back from films like Aliens and The Terminator.
No chance :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 05:43:12 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:22:44 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:54:12 PMQuote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
that's bad news for Cameron if he really wants to push the envelope. his FX will be not be as impressive and he can't risk the selling point of these movies.
It should actually work otherwise: I believe it's all about Cameron wanting to push the technology even further.
So Cameron's basically waiting for the next gen console to come out for his new game....if we're speaking in game terms. I don't know. I don't really like a 7 year wait between movies. By then, I believe a lot of peoples interest will have faded away. Well, I atleast know mine will.
He'll just re-start the hype machine, I'd not worry about that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimo on Jan 12, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
Post by: Kimo on Jan 12, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
Avatar when i seen it for the first time was ok. I liked it, but like lots have said its not camerons best work. However the more i watch it the better it becomes.. it is because of the CGI world Pandora that just gets better after every viewing. If you watch the making of Avatar you respect Jim and the actors even more. Cant wait for Avater 2 because i cant wait to see what is gunna be new in the world of Pandora or whatever new direction Cameron takes this next film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 12, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 12, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 12, 2012, 04:27:56 PM
Well he has to get it right. The first movie broke most records going in money terms. And it revolutionised cinema by making 3D work. It's almost an impossible act to follow.
Hello,
The word revolution is probably a bit too strong. At least 3D makes "no" impact on the "art" of the cinema and is even considered as a step backward.
It is believe, the cinema, is going to be again what it was a century ago (art-less):
a pure entertainment, with a total lack of "art" (I mean by art, content. Not story, not character development and all this bullshit but the whole, the vision, the justification of everything, the pure meaning of why there is leaf on the trees or why there is a window open in the background).
Since the entertainment purpose is more and more of a aim, I won't be surprise if they add in your theater smelling, moving chair, water splash and all this bullshit to make it sounds like a roller coaster.
Quoteit is because of the CGI world Pandora that just gets better after every viewing. If you watch the making of Avatar you respect Jim and the actors even more.Then it is the people working on CGI that deserves the best respect. (ILM, WETA, Digital Domain, Hydraulx, and twenty others VFX companies)
I mean, thanks Jim because of CGI is kinda a joke, CGI can be awesome ONLY if you give $$$$$$
Movie where CGI sucks are because of this lack of money.
And saying a director is good with working with CGI is also a stupid thing since he doesn't do a shit.
He just asks to the Supervisor of VFX on set of "how can we do that" and the Supervisor answer.
So most of the time if something is wrongly achieved, it is because of him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimo on Jan 12, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Post by: Kimo on Jan 12, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
QuoteThen it is the people working on CGI that deserves the best respect. (ILM, WETA, Digital Domain, Hydraulx, and twenty others VFX companies)
I mean, thanks Jim because of CGI is kinda a joke, CGI can be awesome ONLY if you give $$$$$$
Movie where CGI sucks are because of this lack of money.
And saying a director is good with working with CGI is also a stupid thing since he doesn't do a shit.
He just asks to the Supervisor of VFX on set of "how can we do that" and the Supervisor answer.
So most of the time if something is wrongly achieved, it is because of him.
I also ment to say the cgi artist as well, i was just typing in a rush before i went to the gym. But one thing about Cameron is that he wont give up till hes happy with the look and feel of what he wants to see on screen when it comes to one of his films.
So yah he may not be the talent behind the CGI art, but he's gunna push them to the limits to get what he wants. Im not a massive fan of CGI but i loved the use of it in Avatar.
Another thing about CGI...
Yes, loads of people dont like it because these days CGI is now seen as overkill on loads of films, and that is the truth. But to me, the CGI is only as good as the CGI artist, and in the right hands CGI can look f**king awsome. Oviously the better the CGI art, the more the cost the artist team can demand. Abit off topic, but its like using Photoshop on photos, in the wrong hands it can make photos look god dam awful... but in the right hands a good photoshopper can make a photo look even more amazing. Its the same with CGI in my option, but nowadays film makers use it to save money aka The Thing 2011 was a victim of this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 12, 2012, 11:13:29 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 12, 2012, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 12, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
He just asks to the Supervisor of VFX on set of "how can we do that" and the Supervisor answer.
Well, not in this case. He used all of his knowledge of perception and physics and tutored WETA how to approach things and how to look at them differently. He was the one telling them to study light and videotape every single piece they were going to recreate in CG, to fully recreate the movement (of leafs, confetti on Navi costumes etc). he was the one who figured out how to defeat the "dead eye CGI look" of the eyes etc. He describes the process of what he brought to the table and how his knowledge of old cheap techniques, miniatures and matte paintings was crucial for CGI to work better than before. As he says, the manual tells the CGI artists it should work but it doesnt. Its about perception and human eye
he was always like that, after all he came out with the way how to construct Alien Queen and how to work it
So to be fair, he was crucial to Avatar's CGI, and he pushed for the facial capture and co developed the camera
On the side note, I dont really care much for CGI. Its the visual design, likeable characters and heart that Im lookin for in movies
While Im much more of a fan of his older movies, Avatar for me brings back the classic, simple Disney-ish big adventure with mind blowing final battle accompanied by operatic score
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 03:27:23 AM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 03:27:23 AM
QuoteHe was the one telling them to study light and videotape every single piece they were going to recreate in CG
Hello,
Every CG artists does that, there's no need of James Cameron for it.
Even the director of photography usually came on set with paintings
from very old time & photographies to study what the artist did to
create such lights.
Quoteto fully recreate the movement (of leafs, confetti on Navi costumes etc).Leafs & all this stuff is handled by PhysiX even in the CGI world (in
fact video games use it as a legacy from VFX) and it allow the
pipeline to get a physic factor with their compositions.
Then again, there's observation, everyone does this,
avatar hasn't make anything it was done before and it'll
continue to be like this a long after this. Or then you explain
me why we're studying the first "Movements & skeletons"
films made by Edison in VFX school to learn about the movement.
Concerning the clothes, it's almost the same and it has been
improved by Autodesk with the nClothes system based also
on PhysiX. Again, observation is needed.
Quotehe was the one who figured out how to defeat the "dead eye CGI look" of the eyes etc.Yeah I heard about this somwhere.
This technique ain't cheap for rendering.
Usually companies like to spend less accuracy on this
because the rendering can be a pain in the ass.
Jim had the money, so he had the capability to do it.
QuoteHe describes the process of what he brought to the table and how his knowledge of old cheap techniques, miniatures and matte paintings was crucial for CGI to work better than before.
Again as you mentioned, it is a question of "eye".
James liked to lock with some people for several days
to get the perfect look.
He may ask them to rectify the color or the shape,
or the transparency, occlusion, whatever you want
but it is nothing new.
A director do it everyday with its team, the main
difference here being: He worked almost ONLY
with CGI which is why he seems to be a master
where in fact he's none.
I don't want to question his director skill, he has it.
He just did nothing more than a regular movie he would
have done by its way.
The difference that seems impressive is just this time
he worked with CGI instead of practical.
I've only watched AVATAR for the VFX.
Everything else seems to me empty.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 03:30:13 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 03:30:13 AM
are these song lyrics?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 03:35:39 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 03:30:13 AM
are these song lyrics?
Clever girl :D
They are arranged that way, aren't they? Now I can't stop laughing, but not at you Celticant, it's just a funny coincidence.
Mind if I ask where you're from, Le Celticant?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 13, 2012, 07:06:13 AM
Post by: Prime113 on Jan 13, 2012, 07:06:13 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 03:35:39 AMQuote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 03:30:13 AM
are these song lyrics?
Clever girl :D
They are arranged that way, aren't they? Now I can't stop laughing, but not at you Celticant, it's just a funny coincidence.
Mind if I ask where you're from, Le Celticant?
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say France.... ;D
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 12, 2012, 04:48:56 PMQuote from: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:36:03 PMHow so? I hear/see this ad hominem around and, well, what's the rampant ego thing about?
I mean, JC's ego knows no bounds.
Every time I see an interview from him, I get the sense he believes he's gods gift to mankind. I imagine we have all heard that he is one of the most perfectionist directors out there. Perfectionism has ties to a massive ego. Now, I'm not gonna say you should direct a film with no sense of wanting what you want, that's what makes directors, directors. But, the high level he is at, makes me think that he believes everybody else is just a big pile of dung, and that he is the greatest of the greats.
BUT, that's just my opinion of the man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 11:44:49 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jan 13, 2012, 07:06:13 AMNever, ever seen this myself. Ever. Nigh-on every person who's worked with the guy has called him a task master, but essentially a guy who knows what he's doing and is open to suggestions to make his films better, etc. I genuinely think everyone turned on him after Titanic's success and his elation at the Oscars that year.
Every time I see an interview from him, I get the sense he believes he's gods gift to mankind. I imagine we have all heard that he is one of the most perfectionist directors out there. Perfectionism has ties to a massive ego. Now, I'm not gonna say you should direct a film with no sense of wanting what you want, that's what makes directors, directors. But, the high level he is at, makes me think that he believes everybody else is just a big pile of dung, and that he is the greatest of the greats.
Of course...
QuoteBUT, that's just my opinion of the man.... we're all entitled to these :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:24:08 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:24:08 PM
I can't find the story right now, but I remember it being posted a year ago or so in this thread. Anyhow, it was about Cameron accepting to meet with another guy to discuss some environmental issues (with this other guy having a totally different opinion on things than Cameron). Cameron apparently kept changing the dates and conditions of this (first it was supposed to be shown on TV, then just hosted on a radio show, then just a written interview and so on) and this other guy accepted it all. In the end, we heard that Cameron dropped out because he didn't think this other guy had the same social status as himself, or something along those lines.
Now, I don't know if this is true. But if it is, that makes him a pretty big asshole.
Also, the whole "I'm king of the world." line from the Academy Award probably didn't make people think any less of his ego. :laugh:
Now, I don't know if this is true. But if it is, that makes him a pretty big asshole.
Also, the whole "I'm king of the world." line from the Academy Award probably didn't make people think any less of his ego. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 13, 2012, 12:24:08 PM
I can't find the story right now, but I remember it being posted a year ago or so in this thread. Anyhow, it was about Cameron accepting to meet with another guy to discuss some environmental issues (with this other guy having a totally different opinion on things than Cameron). Cameron apparently kept changing the dates and conditions of this (first it was supposed to be shown on TV, then just hosted on a radio show, then just a written interview and so on) and this other guy accepted it all. In the end, we heard that Cameron dropped out because he didn't think this other guy had the same social status as himself, or something along those lines.
Now, I don't know if this is true. But if it is, that makes him a pretty big asshole.
Never saw the story followed up. I'm wary about believing some of these things, especially concerning such a contested issue like global warming and such. A lot of smear.
QuoteAlso, the whole "I'm king of the world." line from the Academy Award probably didn't make people think any less of his ego. :laugh:Having read about the production of Titanic, I feel that he was allowed to gloat [the guy ploughed his director's fee into the movie because FOX pulled the budget. Additionally, I don't know if any of you remember, but prior to the film's release Cameron was a regular feature in the press, who all called him crazy and laughed at the project until its success proved them otherwise]. Plus, in context, he was quoting a line from the film and just won a dozen Oscars. To paint a guy's whole character as a rampant egoist because of that just feels flimsy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
I agree, but people tend to get hung up on things like that sometimes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:49 PMYeah, Hollywood, huh! :laugh:
I agree, but people tend to get hung up on things like that sometimes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Speaking of Titanic, I remember hearing about a scene where Kate Winslet thought she was going to drown and Cameron pretty much blowing her of by saying that she was never in any real danger, she only thought she was going to die. Way to handle the situation. ::)
Again, don't know how much of this is true, but if I remember correctly, this was told by Winslet herself.
Again, don't know how much of this is true, but if I remember correctly, this was told by Winslet herself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:09:44 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 13, 2012, 12:42:38 PMNo, that's overblown. Cameron, by the way, did everything that he asked the actors to do, and usually before he asked them to do it (as he did for The Abyss). Winslet mad because she chipped an elbow bone, but she's usually praiseworthy of Cameron. You won't see it in the press, though. They prefer the "I'd need a lot of money to do it again" line, which, considering Titanic's insane production, makes sense. There's a great book by a journalist (can't recall her name) who was actually onset throughout the whole shoot.
Speaking of Titanic, I remember hearing about a scene where Kate Winslet thought she was going to drown and Cameron pretty much blowing her of by saying that she was never in any real danger, she only thought she was going to die. Way to handle the situation. ::)
Again, don't know how much of this is true, but if I remember correctly, this was told by Winslet herself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 01:13:09 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Jan 13, 2012, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:09:44 PMNo, that's overblown. Cameron, by the way, did everything that he asked the actors to do, and usually before he asked them to do it (as he did for The Abyss). Winslet mad because she chipped an elbow bone, but she's usually praiseworthy of Cameron. You won't see it in the press, though. They prefer the "I'd need a lot of money to do it again" line, which, considering Titanic's insane production, makes sense. There's a great book by a journalist (can't recall her name) who was actually onset throughout the whole shoot.
Good to know. It can be hard to tell what's true or not when it comes to these things.
Might check that book out, if it's still in print. I love Titanic, but I never read that much about the production. I've seen some of the stuff that came on the DVD, but that's it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:15:02 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jan 13, 2012, 01:13:09 PMPretty sure this is it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Titanic-Making-James-Cameron-Parisi/dp/075281799X/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326460448&sr=1-18 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Titanic-Making-James-Cameron-Parisi/dp/075281799X/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326460448&sr=1-18)Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:09:44 PMNo, that's overblown. Cameron, by the way, did everything that he asked the actors to do, and usually before he asked them to do it (as he did for The Abyss). Winslet mad because she chipped an elbow bone, but she's usually praiseworthy of Cameron. You won't see it in the press, though. They prefer the "I'd need a lot of money to do it again" line, which, considering Titanic's insane production, makes sense. There's a great book by a journalist (can't recall her name) who was actually onset throughout the whole shoot.
Good to know. It can be hard to tell what's true or not when it comes to these things.
Might check that book out, if it's still in print. I love Titanic, but I never read that much about the production. I've seen some of the stuff that came on the DVD, but that's it.
:)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
QuoteNever, ever seen this myself. Ever. Nigh-on every person who's worked with the guy has called him a task master, but essentially a guy who knows what he's doing and is open to suggestions to make his films better, etc. I genuinely think everyone turned on him after Titanic's success and his elation at the Oscars that year.
Hello, everyone says this of a director.
Saying the opposite would be bad for promotion.
And you want to be paid, so you don't do
bad promotion :D
Yet in the "Beyond the screen of what is said in interview"
he's usually referred as someone horrible to work with.
There are also too much coincidences in his work
to be a rip off from books. Kinda lame I think.
--------------------------------------------
Yes I'm French. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:18:08 PMPeople have been consistent long after the fact.
Hello, everyone says this of a director.
Saying the opposite would be bad for promotion.
And you want to be paid, so you don't do
bad promotion :D
QuoteThere are also too much coincidences in his workYou might want to give up on movies in general, then.
to be a rip off from books. Kinda lame I think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:22:52 PMQuoteThere are also too much coincidences in his workYou might want to give up on movies in general, then.
to be a rip off from books. Kinda lame I think.
Hello,
From Hollywood? I already have since almost
7 years now. I only go watch a blockbuster
because of the CGI.
From Indie? Well they have original ideas and
aren't stuck with the basics "messages" as
man vs machine, ecology and all this mainstream
bullshit that directors love to over-use with a total
lack of originality and most of the time complete
incomprehension.
QuotePeople have been consistent long after the fact.
Probably because they fear him.
A friend of mine got fired from
his office and can NEVER EVER touch
anything related to cinema (as job)
again because the actress was pissed off
about the way he "re-touched" her face
shapes.
This is a French actress, known by no one
so... imagine what Jim could do to you if you
piss him off? :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 01:40:59 PMWell, there ya go.
Hello,
From Hollywood? I already have since almost
7 years now. I only go watch a blockbuster
because of the CGI.
From Indie? Well they have original ideas and
aren't stuck with the basics "messages" as
man vs machine, ecology and all this mainstream
bullshit that directors love to over-use with a total
lack of originality and most of the time complete
incomprehension.
QuoteSure, I believe ya.
Probably because they fear him.
A friend of mine got fired from
his office and can NEVER EVER touch
anything related to cinema (as job)
again because the actress was pissed off
about the way he "re-touched" her face
shapes.
This is a French actress, known by no one
so... imagine what Jim could do to you if you
piss him off? :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
QuoteWell, there ya go.Always will. At least I know where I'm going
it ain't bad isn't it!
QuoteSure, I believe ya.If you think the cinema is a pink world
with flying elephant, then maybe you
have all the right to think so.
But in the past two years as director
for commercial & spot I've seen many
people fired for total bullshit.
It is a place of friendship, if you're not
friend with the right guy, you have no
purpose to work with them and if some
celebrity wants it, she has the power
to evince you from the wall of cinema.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 03:48:25 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 03:27:23 AMQuoteHe was the one telling them to study light and videotape every single piece they were going to recreate in CG
Hello,
Every CG artists does that, there's no need of James Cameron for it.
Even the director of photography usually came on set with paintings
from very old time & photographies to study what the artist did to
create such lights.Quoteto fully recreate the movement (of leafs, confetti on Navi costumes etc).Leafs & all this stuff is handled by PhysiX even in the CGI world (in
fact video games use it as a legacy from VFX) and it allow the
pipeline to get a physic factor with their compositions.
Then again, there's observation, everyone does this,
avatar hasn't make anything it was done before and it'll
continue to be like this a long after this. Or then you explain
me why we're studying the first "Movements & skeletons"
films made by Edison in VFX school to learn about the movement.
Concerning the clothes, it's almost the same and it has been
improved by Autodesk with the nClothes system based also
on PhysiX. Again, observation is needed.Quotehe was the one who figured out how to defeat the "dead eye CGI look" of the eyes etc.Yeah I heard about this somwhere.
This technique ain't cheap for rendering.
Usually companies like to spend less accuracy on this
because the rendering can be a pain in the ass.
Jim had the money, so he had the capability to do it.QuoteHe describes the process of what he brought to the table and how his knowledge of old cheap techniques, miniatures and matte paintings was crucial for CGI to work better than before.
Again as you mentioned, it is a question of "eye".
James liked to lock with some people for several days
to get the perfect look.
He may ask them to rectify the color or the shape,
or the transparency, occlusion, whatever you want
but it is nothing new.
A director do it everyday with its team, the main
difference here being: He worked almost ONLY
with CGI which is why he seems to be a master
where in fact he's none.
I don't want to question his director skill, he has it.
He just did nothing more than a regular movie he would
have done by its way.
The difference that seems impressive is just this time
he worked with CGI instead of practical.
I've only watched AVATAR for the VFX.
Everything else seems to me empty.
Disagree. Youre extremely minimizing a crucial contributions. Its like saying Ridley just did what any other director did and we should be thanking Giger and Cobb for the look of the movie, after all theyre the designers, they would "design it anyway without his help"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
QuoteDisagree. Youre extremely minimizing a crucial contributions. Its like saying Ridley just did what any other director did and we should be thanking Giger and Cobb for the look of the movie, after all theyre the designers, they would "design it anyway without his help"
Hello,
I admit I explained it in a wrong way, but you're both right & wrong.
Ridley, Jim & whatever director just DO their director job.
It is their job to give a look to the movie. Of course they are helped
by artists such as giger & others to "design" what an obvious fact!
The artists OF COURSE wouldn't have designed it this way
without their help BUT director's are not doing CGI, they're giving
instructions and then the artists follow their direction.
But giving too much credit to Ridley for Giger's work (terms of design)
and Jim in terms of CGI is just wrong because they haven't drawn, sculpt
anything at all. They've just let the artists know their feeling and it
is what every director in the world do.
Director don't do CGI, they do direct and direct is about giving
vision of the overall product.
So, give credit to James Cameron for AVATAR is cool, and by it
I mean everything (soundFX, SFX, VFX, actors performance, photography
blablablablablablablablablabla)
But gives too many credits for something as CGI is just wrong because
it ain't their purpose to do CGI or to manipulate clothes, leafs, blabla.
Clear or you need me to explain it in another way? :D
And if the VFX are great in AVATAR, it is not because of Jim,
it is because of $$$$$$$$$$$.
AVATAR with a 200M$ would have had average VFX it is a fact.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kol on Jan 13, 2012, 04:53:33 PM
Post by: Kol on Jan 13, 2012, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 04:07:00 PMQuoteDisagree. Youre extremely minimizing a crucial contributions. Its like saying Ridley just did what any other director did and we should be thanking Giger and Cobb for the look of the movie, after all theyre the designers, they would "design it anyway without his help"
Hello,
I admit I explained it in a wrong way, but you're both right & wrong.
Ridley, Jim & whatever director just DO their director job.
It is their job to give a look to the movie. Of course they are helped
by artists such as giger & others to "design" what an obvious fact!
The artists OF COURSE wouldn't have designed it this way
without their help BUT director's are not doing CGI, they're giving
instructions and then the artists follow their direction.
But giving too much credit to Ridley for Giger's work (terms of design)
and Jim in terms of CGI is just wrong because they haven't drawn, sculpt
anything at all. They've just let the artists know their feeling and it
is what every director in the world do.
Director don't do CGI, they do direct and direct is about giving
vision of the overall product.
So, give credit to James Cameron for AVATAR is cool, and by it
I mean everything (soundFX, SFX, VFX, actors performance, photography
blablablablablablablablablabla)
But gives too many credits for something as CGI is just wrong because
it ain't their purpose to do CGI or to manipulate clothes, leafs, blabla.
Clear or you need me to explain it in another way? :D
And if the VFX are great in AVATAR, it is not because of Jim,
it is because of $$$$$$$$$$$.
AVATAR with a 200M$ would have had average VFX it is a fact.
in regard to the alien movies, scott & cameron helped to define the creatures and MISC.
ridley has drown the storyboard for alien, which convinced the studio to double the budget.
james cameron wrote the whole screenplay and created the alien queen.
but this is all a long time ago and surely they we're more ambitious to be involved in the whole process.
i don't wanted to negate your comments, coz i agree with you 100%.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 04:07:00 PMQuoteDisagree. Youre extremely minimizing a crucial contributions. Its like saying Ridley just did what any other director did and we should be thanking Giger and Cobb for the look of the movie, after all theyre the designers, they would "design it anyway without his help"
Hello,
I admit I explained it in a wrong way, but you're both right & wrong.
Ridley, Jim & whatever director just DO their director job.
It is their job to give a look to the movie. Of course they are helped
by artists such as giger & others to "design" what an obvious fact!
The artists OF COURSE wouldn't have designed it this way
without their help BUT director's are not doing CGI, they're giving
instructions and then the artists follow their direction.
But giving too much credit to Ridley for Giger's work (terms of design)
and Jim in terms of CGI is just wrong because they haven't drawn, sculpt
anything at all. They've just let the artists know their feeling and it
is what every director in the world do.
Director don't do CGI, they do direct and direct is about giving
vision of the overall product.
So, give credit to James Cameron for AVATAR is cool, and by it
I mean everything (soundFX, SFX, VFX, actors performance, photography
blablablablablablablablablabla)
But gives too many credits for something as CGI is just wrong because
it ain't their purpose to do CGI or to manipulate clothes, leafs, blabla.
Clear or you need me to explain it in another way? :D
And if the VFX are great in AVATAR, it is not because of Jim,
it is because of $$$$$$$$$$$.
AVATAR with a 200M$ would have had average VFX it is a fact.
But the actual artists are doing the job but based on directors blueprint. Changing the CG people behind the computer wouldnt change a thing, but changing a mastermind guiding them would make all the difference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
QuoteBut the actual artists are doing the job but based on directors blueprint. Changing the CG people behind the computer wouldnt change a thing, but changing a mastermind guiding them would make all the difference.
Hello,
Changing the CG people wouldn't change anything?
I must confess, I... did ... laugh :D
CG artist must not be "celebrities" yet because it is
an art that is still under-rated but trust me, there
are celebrities aswell in this world and some make
better job than other.
And it makes actually a lot of difference.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 07:21:39 PMQuoteBut the actual artists are doing the job but based on directors blueprint. Changing the CG people behind the computer wouldnt change a thing, but changing a mastermind guiding them would make all the difference.
Hello,
Changing the CG people wouldn't change anything?
I must confess, I... did ... laugh :D
CG artist must not be "celebrities" yet because it is
an art that is still under-rated but trust me, there
are celebrities aswell in this world and some make
better job than other.
And it makes actually a lot of difference.
Virtually no one from original/early 90s ILM team works with ILM anymore. Most of Winston's team is replaced. Heck, take GunsRoses. Only Axl remains but the songs are still cool. You change the guys the music is still great, even if the guy who wrote it cant play himself. You cant replace people with just anybody, but you can. But only ONE guy write the song and no one else would. One guy told the others how to play it even tho he didnt himself
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 08:11:02 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 08:11:02 PM
QuoteVirtually no one from original/early 90s ILM team works with ILM anymore. Most of Winston's team is replaced. Heck, take GunsRoses. Only Axl remains but the songs are still cool. You change the guys the music is still great, even if the guy who wrote it cant play himself. You cant replace people with just anybody, but you can. But only ONE guy write the song and no one else would. One guy told the others how to play it even tho he didnt himself
Hello,
Change a guy that play a music with a piano (Matte Painting)
by a guy who plays guitar (3D Modeling) tell them
to play the same music (same CGI) and dare to tell me
it sounds (look) the same. :D
Otherwise ya know, we could replace Giger by Picasso.
I mean they are both painter and Ridley Scott has
the situation under control pffffffffffffffffffffffff...
Despite your way of thinking, I'm pretty sure a day
someone with light up the CGI world and SFX world
and show to people that it is an art which needs artists
and not machines to execute ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
Some crazy analogies round here :laugh: but it's certainly obvious that CGI can vary in quality greatly.
I still look back on Jurassic Park and how ground-breaking that was, yet so many big-budget movies aren't able to meet that standard in today's films.
Same with old-school physical FX. Look at old and new Predators and thats all the evidence you need.
Stan Winston was an artist. Creative, passionate, and committed to his creatures. I can only hope someone shows up like that in the world of CGI and starts making things next-level awesome.
I still look back on Jurassic Park and how ground-breaking that was, yet so many big-budget movies aren't able to meet that standard in today's films.
Same with old-school physical FX. Look at old and new Predators and thats all the evidence you need.
Stan Winston was an artist. Creative, passionate, and committed to his creatures. I can only hope someone shows up like that in the world of CGI and starts making things next-level awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 08:11:02 PMQuoteVirtually no one from original/early 90s ILM team works with ILM anymore. Most of Winston's team is replaced. Heck, take GunsRoses. Only Axl remains but the songs are still cool. You change the guys the music is still great, even if the guy who wrote it cant play himself. You cant replace people with just anybody, but you can. But only ONE guy write the song and no one else would. One guy told the others how to play it even tho he didnt himself
Hello,
Change a guy that play a music with a piano (Matte Painting)
by a guy who plays guitar (3D Modeling) tell them
to play the same music (same CGI) and dare to tell me
it sounds (look) the same. :D
Otherwise ya know, we could replace Giger by Picasso.
I mean they are both painter and Ridley Scott has
the situation under control pffffffffffffffffffffffff...
Despite your way of thinking, I'm pretty sure a day
someone with light up the CGI world and SFX world
and show to people that it is an art which needs artists
and not machines to execute ::)
You missed my point entirely. using your Giger/Picasso analogy, if Giger designs and sculpts an alien, anyone with skills can create a hero suit out of it. But its Giger who designed it, its Ridley who guided Giger and told him what to add, what to drop, what to change. But as far as people sculpting the suit, replace them with other skilled sculptors and result will be the same. Replace Ridley and you would never had any of that. Im not saying if you replace an artist nothing will change. Im saying if you replace the workers executing YOUR ideas under YOUR guidance, listening to YOUR commands, nothing will change. Anyone with proper computer graphic training can do it once he learns in school how. They dopnt design it, someone else does (taking cues and ideas from director). They have the design ready and finished, director who tells them how to do something, to try and use this or that and they just use computer programs to animate it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 08:52:50 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 08:52:50 PM
not sure if slam poet or musician.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:05 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Cameron can obviously tell a story, and is a fantastic director, but the sequels will have to be more developed. Personally I enjoyed Avatar, but thought it was a step back from films like Aliens and The Terminator. I suppose we could consider Avatar Cameron's "Episode I" where he just wanted to see what he could really do with the technology.
The Fern Gully deal going on Pandora was a bit off. I think Cameron should stick to sci-fi realism and try to limit the sparkling colors in the sequels.
I also have to say that he's my number one choice for all things Space/Sci-Fi military in a film. So far I've yet to see such designs, SFX, and realistic execution of a future military in such well done films.
No he can't. IMO, he can't. If he's rehashing the same story I've heard a million times before and is boring while he's doing it, then he hasn't told me anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 13, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Jan 13, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
2016 is only four years away, it seems like Cameron likes to do a 7 year time gab with sequels. For example:
Aliens was release 7 years after Alien
T2 was release 7 years after Terminator
Looks like the same with happen with Avatar 2
I'm surprise people still remember Fern Gully after all of these years when Avatar came out. I remember I forgot that movie exist until 2009.
From what I've seen on IMDB, there are some people from 90's ILM team still working with ILM.
Aliens was release 7 years after Alien
T2 was release 7 years after Terminator
Looks like the same with happen with Avatar 2
Quote from: Prime113 on Jan 12, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Fern Gully, etc.. was the visuals. The story was hardly revolutionary.
I'm surprise people still remember Fern Gully after all of these years when Avatar came out. I remember I forgot that movie exist until 2009.
QuoteVirtually no one from original/early 90s ILM team works with ILM anymore.
From what I've seen on IMDB, there are some people from 90's ILM team still working with ILM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 09:40:10 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 09:40:10 PM
QuoteYou missed my point entirely. using your Giger/Picasso analogy, if Giger designs and sculpts an alien, anyone with skills can create a hero suit out of it. But its Giger who designed it, its Ridley who guided Giger and told him what to add, what to drop, what to change. But as far as people sculpting the suit, replace them with other skilled sculptors and result will be the same. Replace Ridley and you would never had any of that. Im not saying if you replace an artist nothing will change. Im saying if you replace the workers executing YOUR ideas under YOUR guidance, listening to YOUR commands, nothing will change. Anyone with proper computer graphic training can do it once he learns in school how. They dopnt design it, someone else does (taking cues and ideas from director). They have the design ready and finished, director who tells them how to do something, to try and use this or that and they just use computer programs to animate it.
Hello,
I've used this example because in first place you did not
understood what I meant.
So let's go there again through it with a more "comprehensive view"
of the thing:
1) James Cameron is not responsible of the CGI
He's responsible for the overall vision of the movie.
Meaning it could have been Props, real set, real location,
CGI, experimental things, it is the same job. It's directing
people to get what he wants.
2) You can not replace an artist by another and hope to have
the same thing, it is a fact because they are not machines,
they use different techniques, different softwares, which gives
different results and the director must deal with it.
Ask a CG artist if anyone else could have done the same rock texture,
the same leaf colors, the same movement of animation.
Nobody can perfectly match this and they all have more or less
their own thing to say. It is a fact. Otherwise I don't even see
the point of teaching art in VFX schools isn't it?
Every school has its own thing. Some work with Maya, some
with lightwave, some with 3DS Max, some with Cinema 4D
and there are even some that use blender nowadays.
Can the software exactly achieve the same thing? Yes & no.
Yes if you're ready to give yourself a century, no if you're not
delusional.
ALSO, some softwares used by AVATAR as Vue which I use
are "random" terrain generator.
It means you can't control perfectly what it is gonna do.
And in this case you need artistic sense of the thing.
Cameron for sure give feedback of how he feels about it.
But the first drafts of CGI are experimental and absolutely
in the mind of an artist. Then they ameliorate the thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 09:40:10 PM
Hello,
I've used this example because in first place you did not
understood what I meant.
So let's go there again through it with a more "comprehensive view"
of the thing:
1) James Cameron is not responsible of the CGI
He's responsible for the overall vision of the movie.
Meaning it could have been Props, real set, real location,
CGI, experimental things, it is the same job. It's directing
people to get what he wants.
No. The reason why CGI is better looking in Avatar is because of Cameron. It was not coincidental. And again, theres a long explanation from cameron and WETA how Cameron got them to that level and cameron epxlained how he used the knowledge of old, cheap techniques, perception and physics in order to achieve and create a much better CGI. Both said it and explained how. Fact
And Dead eye isnt so easy as you said, it was never really mastered before. So no, I dont agree cameron didnt have any influence or hand in CGI and that he isnt responsible for the CGI being as impressive as it is in this movie
I disagree with your statement that Cameron shouldnt get any credit for CGI
Quote2) You can not replace an artist by another and hope to have
the same thing, it is a fact because they are not machines,
they use different techniques, different softwares, which gives
different results and the director must deal with it.
Ask a CG artist if anyone else could have done the same rock texture,
the same leaf colors, the same movement of animation.
Nobody can perfectly match this and they all have more or less
their own thing to say. It is a fact. Otherwise I don't even see
the point of teaching art in VFX schools isn't it?
Every school has its own thing. Some work with Maya, some
with lightwave, some with 3DS Max, some with Cinema 4D
and there are even some that use blender nowadays.
Can the software exactly achieve the same thing? Yes & no.
Yes if you're ready to give yourself a century, no if you're not
delusional.
Of course you cant change an artist and have the same result. I even said so in my previous post. But people working for the aritsts who are just doing what he taught them, showed them how and what - can be replaced with skilled people easily. Thats what happens in ILM, people come and go, new students come in and work doing renderings. Thats a fact. Yet its important whose the FX supervisor who tells them what to do. I dont know how to make the point even clearer. Lets try this example - Mr X designs a Gothic bridge with artistic touches and his partner translates it into solid physical structure. They make a blueprint for construction company, tell the painters what colors he want. Construction company builds it from Mr X and Y's blueprints and guidelines. Replace the company with any other good Construction co. and you have the same result, yet Mr X doesnt know how to literally build bridges, nailgun screws etc and doesnt do it himself.
What youre saying is that Mr X shouldnt get a credit for the bridge cause he didnt build it himself and it was the construction company that did a solid job in building a great bridge
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 08:52:50 PM:laugh: Oh lawd. Sweeper, we're married now. Did you know that?
not sure if slam poet or musician.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
QuoteNo. The reason why CGI is better looking in Avatar is because of Cameron. It was not coincidental. And again, theres a long explanation from cameron and WETA how Cameron got them to that level and cameron epxlained how he used the knowledge of old, cheap techniques, perception and physics in order to achieve and create a much better CGI. Both said it and explained how. Fact
And Dead eye isnt so easy as you said, it was never really mastered before. So no, I dont agree cameron didnt have any influence or hand in CGI and that he isnt responsible for the CGI being as impressive as it is in this movie
I disagree with your statement that Cameron shouldnt get any credit for CGI
Cameron is directing.
It's the job of a director to show examples.
Yet he only speaks with: Actors, Director of Photography, Producer
& Visual Effect Supervisor.
So he suggests things to the VFX supervisor, this one take notes
and makes everything possible to achieve cameron vision.
Cameron doesn't do the CGI, he creates the vision, not the CGI.
He may invent new thoughts of how to proceed but he doesn't do
the CGI, he has no credit in CGI he has credit as director which is
tell to people what you want and how to proceed.
QuoteWhat youre saying is that Mr X shouldnt get a credit for the bridge cause he didnt build it himself and it was the construction company that did a solid job in building a great bridge
No, what I'm saying is that Mr X shouldn't get the credit for translates into
physical structure which are own by the partners even if Mr X was the master.
Like Ridley scott shouldn't get the credit for sculpting the Alien.
Like David Guetta shouldn't get the credit for "Singing" even if he wrote the song.
Like an architect shouldn't get the credit for putting the stones of an house.
So Cameron shouldn't have the credit for CGI but he own the credits of Director.
I can't believe we wrote soooooo much for something so logical and easy to understand. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 10:29:01 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:21:25 PMI couldn't resist that Amulet of Mara, baby. 8)Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 13, 2012, 08:52:50 PM:laugh: Oh lawd. Sweeper, we're married now. Did you know that?
not sure if slam poet or musician.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 13, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2012, 10:22:20 PMQuoteNo. The reason why CGI is better looking in Avatar is because of Cameron. It was not coincidental. And again, theres a long explanation from cameron and WETA how Cameron got them to that level and cameron epxlained how he used the knowledge of old, cheap techniques, perception and physics in order to achieve and create a much better CGI. Both said it and explained how. Fact
And Dead eye isnt so easy as you said, it was never really mastered before. So no, I dont agree cameron didnt have any influence or hand in CGI and that he isnt responsible for the CGI being as impressive as it is in this movie
I disagree with your statement that Cameron shouldnt get any credit for CGI
Cameron is directing.
It's the job of a director to show examples.
Yet he only speaks with: Actors, Director of Photography, Producer
& Visual Effect Supervisor.
So he suggests things to the VFX supervisor, this one take notes
and makes everything possible to achieve cameron vision.
Cameron doesn't do the CGI, he creates the vision, not the CGI.
He may invent new thoughts of how to proceed but he doesn't do
the CGI, he has no credit in CGI he has credit as director which is
tell to people what you want and how to proceed.
Thats right
QuoteQuoteWhat youre saying is that Mr X shouldnt get a credit for the bridge cause he didnt build it himself and it was the construction company that did a solid job in building a great bridge
No, what I'm saying is that Mr X shouldn't get the credit for translates into
physical structure which are own by the partners even if Mr X was the master.
Like Ridley scott shouldn't get the credit for sculpting the Alien.
Like David Guetta shouldn't get the credit for "Singing" even if he wrote the song.
Like an architect shouldn't get the credit for putting the stones of an house.
So Cameron shouldn't have the credit for CGI but he own the credits of Director.
No, Cameron shouldnt get credit for CGI animation and rendering, but he definitely shares credit for Avatar;s CGI being the way it was. He was a crucial part of it
QuoteI can't believe we wrote soooooo much for something so logical and easy to understand. ::)
Exactly. WETA guys say and literally explained in details how and that it was Cameron who led them and explained how to achieve what they achieved in Avatar. So obviously its not like ' cameron shouldnt be praised at all for CGI in Avatar, hes just a director he didnt animate it"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Mar 06, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
Post by: ace3g on Mar 06, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
From the Avatar FB page:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429827_10150597804814064_82771544063_9172647_1897449748_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429827_10150597804814064_82771544063_9172647_1897449748_n.jpg)
QuoteBehind the Scenes: the Avatar team created life-size Na'vi models to give actors the proper sight lines and a real sense of their 9-foot tall stature.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2012, 05:36:03 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2012, 05:36:03 PM
Oh fraba'gabaf**k. Life freaking size. Stuff for Stan Winston Studios no less!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Requiem28 on Mar 06, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
Post by: Requiem28 on Mar 06, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 06, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
From the Avatar FB page:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429827_10150597804814064_82771544063_9172647_1897449748_n.jpgQuoteBehind the Scenes: the Avatar team created life-size Na'vi models to give actors the proper sight lines and a real sense of their 9-foot tall stature.
Damn, they look ugly in real life...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Mar 06, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
Post by: Topazora on Mar 06, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
talk about going all out... 9 ft tall blank mannequins would've worked just as well. Those just look really awkward, the leg/torso ration on the statue on the right is bothering me. On the bust, on the end of the braid, is that yarn? That looks like yarn to me... but I could be mistaken.
Title: "Avatar 2" Delayed Until 2015
Post by: Feral_PRED on Jul 29, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
Post by: Feral_PRED on Jul 29, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
"Avatar 2" Delayed Until 2015
James Cameron has been working on the next two "Avatar" sequel out of his California house, but is planning to soon move to New Zealand in order to shoot the film and complete all the needed visual effects.
Realizing that the process will take quite some time, Cameron decided to do something that he wanted to do for years, which is purchase a property in the country. The property turned out to be over 2,500 acres of land that cost him $16 million.
In an interview with LA Times, the director said that even though 20th Century Fox has been planning to release "Avatar 2" in theaters before the end of 2014, the film will likely not be ready until the end of 2015. Since he's shooting two sequels back-to-back, "Avatar 3" should follow a year later.
Cameron was also asked about a potential fourth "Avatar" installment. While the director didn't confirm the report, he said that he hasn't ruled the idea out.
Read more: http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25598&count=0#ixzz221VT7tht (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25598&count=0#ixzz221VT7tht)
James Cameron has been working on the next two "Avatar" sequel out of his California house, but is planning to soon move to New Zealand in order to shoot the film and complete all the needed visual effects.
Realizing that the process will take quite some time, Cameron decided to do something that he wanted to do for years, which is purchase a property in the country. The property turned out to be over 2,500 acres of land that cost him $16 million.
In an interview with LA Times, the director said that even though 20th Century Fox has been planning to release "Avatar 2" in theaters before the end of 2014, the film will likely not be ready until the end of 2015. Since he's shooting two sequels back-to-back, "Avatar 3" should follow a year later.
Cameron was also asked about a potential fourth "Avatar" installment. While the director didn't confirm the report, he said that he hasn't ruled the idea out.
Read more: http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25598&count=0#ixzz221VT7tht (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25598&count=0#ixzz221VT7tht)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
That's all we need, Cameron ripping more movies and passing it off as his own, original works. Ugh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 29, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 29, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
I thought it was pushed back to 2016 a while ago?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 29, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 29, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 1974, 01:31:58 AM
That's all we need, Cameron ripping more movies and passing it off as his own, original works. Ugh.
It's not what the story is, it is how it's told, I have always stuck by that statement and that is why I loved Avatar. Avatar tells the same story as Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves just in a refreshing way. I don't remember James Cameron ever saying the original story was his own just his version.
Also take into account that District 9 is a similar story to Avatar, and even came out in the same year. I love them both equally for different reasons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 29, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 29, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 29, 2012, 05:59:31 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 1974, 01:31:58 AM
That's all we need, Cameron ripping more movies and passing it off as his own, original works. Ugh.
It's not what the story is, it is how it's told, I have always stuck by that statement and that is why I loved Avatar. Avatar tells the same story as Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves just in a refreshing way. I don't remember James Cameron ever saying the original story was his own just his version.
Also take into account that District 9 is a similar story to Avatar, and even came out in the same year. I love them both equally for different reasons.
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 29, 2012, 05:59:31 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 1974, 01:31:58 AM
That's all we need, Cameron ripping more movies and passing it off as his own, original works. Ugh.
It's not what the story is, it is how it's told, I have always stuck by that statement and that is why I loved Avatar. Avatar tells the same story as Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves just in a refreshing way. I don't remember James Cameron ever saying the original story was his own just his version.
Also take into account that District 9 is a similar story to Avatar, and even came out in the same year. I love them both equally for different reasons.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 29, 2012, 05:59:31 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 1974, 01:31:58 AM
That's all we need, Cameron ripping more movies and passing it off as his own, original works. Ugh.
It's not what the story is, it is how it's told, I have always stuck by that statement and that is why I loved Avatar. Avatar tells the same story as Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves just in a refreshing way. I don't remember James Cameron ever saying the original story was his own just his version.
Also take into account that District 9 is a similar story to Avatar, and even came out in the same year. I love them both equally for different reasons.
I'm not getting into the D9 vs. Avatar debate because it's been done to death, but my problem is that Cameron doesn't know the meaning of the word subtlety. He's too direct with his messages and themes and gives me no credit as a viewer in terms of my ability to pick up on what he's talking about.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 29, 2012, 06:35:51 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 29, 2012, 06:35:51 PM
that's my problem with Avatar. he made the same story, but more shallow and unlikable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Rick Grimes on Jul 29, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
Post by: Rick Grimes on Jul 29, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
At least Terminator, Abyss, and Aliens were his most "original" stories.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 29, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 29, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
I'm not getting into the D9 vs. Avatar debate because it's been done to death, but my problem is that Cameron doesn't know the meaning of the word subtlety. He's too direct with his messages and themes and gives me no credit as a viewer in terms of my ability to pick up on what he's talking about.
Why do you need to be subtle about a story were some folks are screwing over some natives over resources? That type of story is pretty cut and dry. Sure, it would have been cool if we would have seen scenes with Sigourney's making those schools and teaching the natives about shirts and stuff but this was the first movie in a trilogy. It was just there to setup the rest. It was as simple and entertaining as Star Wars.
By the way, the flick has nothing in common with Dances with Wolves outside some "civilized" dude making contact with some natives. It's more Pocahontas than anything else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
QuoteAlso take into account that District 9 is a similar story to Avatar, and even came out in the same year
The main difference is it was much more difficult to see which way Dsitrict 9 was going because Wickus was a petty selfish beauracrat who only teamed up with Christopher so he'd stop him from turning into a prawn, and even then only really put himself in harms way when he was in the suit after initially running away. You knew where Avatar was going in the first 15 minutes, and spent the rest of the movie hoping it wouldn't.
Plus in Avatar you spent all that time with Jake getting closer to the Na'vi - and then he flat out tells us "Everythings changing".
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m7vrbfaAvJ1r0bikuo2_500.jpg&hash=c5aa4b897f2eb184d1b24e611621572bf4f6d44b)
Lazy and sloppy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 02:55:53 AM
Post by: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 02:55:53 AM
took you fifteen minutes into the movie? I knew what Avatar was when I saw the first trailer- which was why I refused to see it in the theater, making all kinds of dumb ass excuses. I've never been so pushed to see a f**king movie in my life, as I was with Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 04:04:21 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 04:04:21 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 29, 2012, 09:58:30 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
I'm not getting into the D9 vs. Avatar debate because it's been done to death, but my problem is that Cameron doesn't know the meaning of the word subtlety. He's too direct with his messages and themes and gives me no credit as a viewer in terms of my ability to pick up on what he's talking about.
Why do you need to be subtle about a story were some folks are screwing over some natives over resources? That type of story is pretty cut and dry. Sure, it would have been cool if we would have seen scenes with Sigourney's making those schools and teaching the natives about shirts and stuff but this was the first movie in a trilogy. It was just there to setup the rest. It was as simple and entertaining as Star Wars.
By the way, the flick has nothing in common with Dances with Wolves outside some "civilized" dude making contact with some natives. It's more Pocahontas than anything else.
Because it's insulting to my intelligence. Arrogant thing to say but it's true. He can tell the same story in an inventive way instead of beating us over the head and screaming out "AAAAAHHHHH BIG BLUE FURRY PEEPZ IS LOSING HOM3ZZZ"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 30, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 30, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
it wasn't even clear that the humans were screwing over the natives.
f**k's sake, they sent Jake to negociate. They WANTED to avoid that mess. and then suddenly every one of them turns into a mustache twirling bad guy.
f**k's sake, they sent Jake to negociate. They WANTED to avoid that mess. and then suddenly every one of them turns into a mustache twirling bad guy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 04:20:25 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 04:20:25 AM
And he never actually negotiates. He just...doesn't. It's like he deliberately forgot why he was sent in in the first place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 30, 2012, 05:08:34 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 30, 2012, 05:08:34 AM
that was the point of no return for me. Jake not only betrayed the human race, he also betrayed the Na'vi.
he knew it would happen. he knew and never said a f**king thing. he killed those na'vi as much as the rockets did.
and if there was any justice in the movie universe, he would have killed the whole planet via orbital bombardment.
he knew it would happen. he knew and never said a f**king thing. he killed those na'vi as much as the rockets did.
and if there was any justice in the movie universe, he would have killed the whole planet via orbital bombardment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 04:04:21 AM
Because it's insulting to my intelligence. Arrogant thing to say but it's true. He can tell the same story in an inventive way instead of beating us over the head and screaming out "AAAAAHHHHH BIG BLUE FURRY PEEPZ IS LOSING HOM3ZZZ"
There are hundreds of generic predictable movies out there, i really dont see how this one is so much worst than any of those. Hell, most action movies you can predict the plot down to the letter and those dont get hit because it's all about the ride.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 30, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
it wasn't even clear that the humans were screwing over the natives.
f**k's sake, they sent Jake to negociate. They WANTED to avoid that mess. and then suddenly every one of them turns into a mustache twirling bad guy.
It was very clear the humans was screwing over the Na'vi. At the start of the film you see a truck filled with arrows, Sigourney's character complained to that boss dude about them using force, he also said that he didnt want more scientist because that option wasnt on the table anymore. Even Sigourney's school not being operational anymore because of what is being done is another sign.
The only reason the movie actually happens is that Jake by luck ends up with that tribe and not killed. He volunteers to do it and since he is a soldier and not a scientist they give him the go because they think he is just going to be on their side. And being a soldier is also the reason the Na'vi take him in because they want to see his abilities, it was another scientist that person would probably be dead. That person being that other guy that was jealous of him because he studied and knew everything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Jul 30, 2012, 08:44:51 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 30, 2012, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AMThey didn't make billions of dollars and get hailed as the greatest thing ever.
There are hundreds of generic predictable movies out there, i really dont see how this one is so much worst than any of those.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Jul 30, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jul 30, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
Let's be honest.
10 years ago, if someone said to you, "There's this movie... it's Dances with Wolves slash Pocahontas... In space... with aliens and dragons and robots... in 3D... by James Cameron. Wanna see it?" What would you say to that?
10 years ago, if someone said to you, "There's this movie... it's Dances with Wolves slash Pocahontas... In space... with aliens and dragons and robots... in 3D... by James Cameron. Wanna see it?" What would you say to that?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Jul 30, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 30, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
"I'll pass".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 10:07:28 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 10:07:28 AM
I'd watch it in the hope it would more than that description.
More fool me.
More fool me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 30, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 30, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
It was awesome and I look forward to the two sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Highland on Jul 30, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
Post by: Highland on Jul 30, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
It's good as a spectacle. The Blu Ray is awesome on home theater. I've not really got anything to contribute since it's just a basic popcorn action movie to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 10:24:52 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 10:24:52 AM
It is good in terms of a visual spectacle - but little else.
But even then it can depend on the TV you watch it on. I've seen it on some TVs in stores and it's really looked like video game.
But even then it can depend on the TV you watch it on. I've seen it on some TVs in stores and it's really looked like video game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 30, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
And it was turned into a video which pretty much flopped. Go figure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Highland on Jul 30, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
Post by: Highland on Jul 30, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 10:24:52 AM
It is good in terms of a visual spectacle - but little else.
But even then it can depend on the TV you watch it on. I've seen it on some TVs in stores and it's really looked like video game.
That's because store's pump up the contrast and colors to offset the fluro lighting.
One thing I learned early in the Home Theater hobby is never buy on looks! You have to research.
Plus JB hi fi are always using the old "animation" trick to flog TV's. Anything Pixar looks stunning on even the cheapest set in the shop...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2012, 08:44:51 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AMThey didn't make billions of dollars and get hailed as the greatest thing ever.
There are hundreds of generic predictable movies out there, i really dont see how this one is so much worst than any of those.
The greatest thing ever in terms of 3d and CGI which is true. Has there been another film that comes close to Avatar in 3d? I dont think anyone out there claimed that movie itself was the greatest thing ever. Im pretty sure most reviews mention how generic the story is. Dont confuse one aspect that gets a lot of credit and apply it to the whole movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 07:40:47 PM
Post by: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 07:40:47 PM
a movie shouldn't rely on CGI alone, story is just as, if not more, important.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Jul 30, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jul 30, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
I thought the story was perfectly serviceable, if old hat. Its main flaw was that it was derivative and predictable. Still, just because we've seen it before doesn't mean it isn't there. The characters have arcs, the story has three acts, all the beats are in place. It's a machine, and nothing groundbreaking. I think it gets a leg up in the story department for its ancillary details, the intricacy of the planet and the technology. While it doesn't add to the plot, it adds to the movie. It's a movie that works, and, on a story level, that's all it wants to do. It wants to work. Its ambitions lie elsewhere.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jul 30, 2012, 08:27:08 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jul 30, 2012, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jul 30, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
I thought the story was perfectly serviceable, if old hat. Its main flaw was that it was derivative and predictable. Still, just because we've seen it before doesn't mean it isn't there. The characters have arcs, the story has three acts, all the beats are in place. It's a machine, and nothing groundbreaking. I think it gets a leg up in the story department for its ancillary details, the intricacy of the planet and the technology. While it doesn't add to the plot, it adds to the movie. It's a movie that works, and, on a story level, that's all it wants to do. It wants to work. Its ambitions lie elsewhere.
Could not agree with you more which I think Cameron will not disappoint with the next two installments of his trilogy when it comes to the story and where he wants to take it, which if anyone knows how to make sequels its him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 30, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 30, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
If he doesn't come up with a more original story in the sequels, though, it will permanently change his status and how he is perceived as a director. I think that's an important aspect to consider.
Much like Ridley's changed after Prometheus. :laugh: Sadly not a joke, look at how people are freaking over Blade Runner now, knowing the story-negligence Scott is capable of? The proverbial gloves are off, and all manner of horrors could descend on the poor old Blade Runner universe that was scorned by the movie-going public while being praised by the few who could recognize it's monumental achievements at the time.
Films are now made for these mass audiences, in fear of them being 'box office failures.' Original Blade Runner was made with more integrity, it seemed, kind of like Aliens compared with Avatar, Alien compared with Prometheus. :-[
Much like Ridley's changed after Prometheus. :laugh: Sadly not a joke, look at how people are freaking over Blade Runner now, knowing the story-negligence Scott is capable of? The proverbial gloves are off, and all manner of horrors could descend on the poor old Blade Runner universe that was scorned by the movie-going public while being praised by the few who could recognize it's monumental achievements at the time.
Films are now made for these mass audiences, in fear of them being 'box office failures.' Original Blade Runner was made with more integrity, it seemed, kind of like Aliens compared with Avatar, Alien compared with Prometheus. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 30, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
Ridley has been taking a dive for a while, Prom was the straw the broke the camel's back.
If this was his first dubious film it wouldn't be taken as harshly as it has been by some folks.
If this was his first dubious film it wouldn't be taken as harshly as it has been by some folks.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
Good thing the overwhelming majority liked Prometheus then, eh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 31, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 31, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
Good thing the overwhelming majority liked Prometheus then, eh?
We're just not as loud.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 31, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jul 31, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
Good thing the overwhelming majority liked Prometheus then, eh?
Dont know the numbers. What numbers are you using?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 31, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jul 31, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
Well, it currently has a 73% from Rotten Tomatoes, showing most professional critics liked it, and our very own poll here at the Galaxy shows similar figures from the fanbase.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 12:33:39 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 31, 2012, 12:23:59 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
Good thing the overwhelming majority liked Prometheus then, eh?
Dont know the numbers. What numbers are you using?
Any. Take you pick.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Jul 31, 2012, 12:35:48 AM
Post by: Vepariga on Jul 31, 2012, 12:35:48 AM
Cameron just makes these movies to push environmental messages,he said so himself. So the story is always going to be familiar. I just like the battles. I'm not going to lie,I enjoyed Avatar at the cinemas.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 12:44:32 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 12:44:32 AM
Wall-E provided a much better environmental message in a single line of dialogue than all of Avatar's housebrick subtlety.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 31, 2012, 01:17:55 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jul 31, 2012, 01:17:55 AM
Quote from: Vepariga on Jul 31, 2012, 12:35:48 AM
Cameron just makes these movies to push environmental messages,he said so himself. So the story is always going to be familiar. I just like the battles. I'm not going to lie,I enjoyed Avatar at the cinemas.
That's wonderful. It's a great idea but again, the execution was horrid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Jul 31, 2012, 07:39:40 AM
Post by: Topazora on Jul 31, 2012, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 12:44:32 AM
Wall-E provided a much better environmental message in a single line of dialogue than all of Avatar's housebrick subtlety.
Not to mention, the environment wasn't even main message of Wall-E, in fact it was kicked pretty quickly to the back burner to make room for what the movie was really saying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Highland on Jul 31, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Post by: Highland on Jul 31, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 30, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
If he doesn't come up with a more original story in the sequels, though, it will permanently change his status and how he is perceived as a director. I think that's an important aspect to consider.
Much like Ridley's changed after Prometheus. :laugh: Sadly not a joke, look at how people are freaking over Blade Runner now, knowing the story-negligence Scott is capable of? The proverbial gloves are off, and all manner of horrors could descend on the poor old Blade Runner universe that was scorned by the movie-going public while being praised by the few who could recognize it's monumental achievements at the time.
Films are now made for these mass audiences, in fear of them being 'box office failures.' Original Blade Runner was made with more integrity, it seemed, kind of like Aliens compared with Avatar, Alien compared with Prometheus. :-[
Bullshit. Scott and Cameron have set their legendary status in stone. It doesn't matter if Cameron and Scott team up to make my little pony now.
The guy is 74 years old - SEVENTYFOUR. Read that back and think about it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 31, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jul 31, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
and its been almost 20 years since either did anything interesting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 31, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 31, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
I don't know, Highland. A point with the age, I'll give you. That's old as shit, but if you're going to keep on rocking and cranking out films like you're 30 years old, you have to expect them to be compared to your earlier works.
Prometheus is inferior to Alien, which is hotly debatable, but some people share that view. Avatar would also not stand up against Aliens story-wise, though the effects are pretty jaw-dropping.
If Cameron would've made Avatar with the oomph of a 21st century Aliens, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But he's continuing his legacy, so it's all a part.
Prometheus is inferior to Alien, which is hotly debatable, but some people share that view. Avatar would also not stand up against Aliens story-wise, though the effects are pretty jaw-dropping.
If Cameron would've made Avatar with the oomph of a 21st century Aliens, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But he's continuing his legacy, so it's all a part.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Highland on Jul 31, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
Post by: Highland on Jul 31, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
I'm all fine for comparisons but you can't judge these guy's on a couple of mediocre movie's like it's somehow tainted their entire career. Especially since the facts are these movie's are well received by critics and fans (both averaging fresh or around the 7 mark).
You can judge him as a critical fan on certain points but you can't speak for an entire legacy. They both have that in the bag already.
I thoroughly enjoyed Avatar although I'm quite good at realizing when I'm eating a hot dog and not a fillet steak.
You can judge him as a critical fan on certain points but you can't speak for an entire legacy. They both have that in the bag already.
I thoroughly enjoyed Avatar although I'm quite good at realizing when I'm eating a hot dog and not a fillet steak.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ScardyFox on Jul 31, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
Post by: ScardyFox on Jul 31, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I loved it.
Nuff said
Nuff said
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KirklandSignature on Jul 31, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
Post by: KirklandSignature on Jul 31, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Jul 31, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I loved it.
Nuff said
Were you cheering for the PMC to win or the aborigines? I mean the humans NEED the unobtainium and the native peoples happen to be sitting on a proverbial goldmine. I see it as a neccessary evil, the needs of the human species over some primitive folk who don't know what they're sitting on. I hope to see the NAAVI being moved to "reservations" while US backed forces take over the planet in the next sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Rick Grimes on Jul 31, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
Post by: Rick Grimes on Jul 31, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
I'm still waiting for that "prequel book" Cameron promised.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 31, 2012, 06:33:07 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 31, 2012, 06:33:07 PM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Jul 31, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I loved it.
Nuff said
This.
Also this thread gives me cancer every time I pop in.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Jul 31, 2012, 07:54:30 PM
Post by: Topazora on Jul 31, 2012, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Jul 31, 2012, 05:44:07 PMQuote from: ScardyFox on Jul 31, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I loved it.
Nuff said
Were you cheering for the PMC to win or the aborigines? I mean the humans NEED the unobtainium and the native peoples happen to be sitting on a proverbial goldmine. I see it as a neccessary evil, the needs of the human species over some primitive folk who don't know what they're sitting on. I hope to see the NAAVI being moved to "reservations" while US backed forces take over the planet in the next sequels.
this is something I don't understand, did James ever go into why the humans needed the unobtainable unobtainium. I'm seriously asking, because if they mentioned it in the movie- other than its worth a lot? I never caught it, did he mention it in the interviews? Why is this metal worth a lot in the first place?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 31, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
It's valuable because shut up, that's why.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 01, 2012, 12:46:22 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 01, 2012, 12:46:22 AM
Well gee, plenty of people love it. That opinion didn't really need to championed so valiantly, bro. :laugh:
We were kind of comparing it to Cameron's past work and thinking about what that means for his future films.
I'm not judging their past careers, I love their past careers, I just want them to continue on into their current and future careers. :laugh: But by just playing the odds, that's not looking so bright.
Both directors seem to have made mistakes that no one thought they would make, through what can be summed up as neglecting certain parts of their film while pursuing other things like the visual impact or the technology surrounding it. Or maybe that was just Ridley with Prometheus, because it sounds like Cameron was well aware of the core themes in Avatar and supported them from the beginning.
Cameron could bounce right back and make an epic Terminator or Aliens-level film, but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule in Hollywood. My hopes are just lower at this point.
We were kind of comparing it to Cameron's past work and thinking about what that means for his future films.
I'm not judging their past careers, I love their past careers, I just want them to continue on into their current and future careers. :laugh: But by just playing the odds, that's not looking so bright.
Both directors seem to have made mistakes that no one thought they would make, through what can be summed up as neglecting certain parts of their film while pursuing other things like the visual impact or the technology surrounding it. Or maybe that was just Ridley with Prometheus, because it sounds like Cameron was well aware of the core themes in Avatar and supported them from the beginning.
Cameron could bounce right back and make an epic Terminator or Aliens-level film, but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule in Hollywood. My hopes are just lower at this point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2012, 12:48:42 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 01, 2012, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Aug 01, 2012, 12:46:22 AM
We were kind of comparing it to Cameron's past work and thinking about what that means for his future films.
It means nothing...because all he's going to be doing from now on is Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2012, 01:00:09 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2012, 01:00:09 AM
And lots of people will dig it and it will make lots of money.
Not dissimilar to Prometheus - only making less money.
Not dissimilar to Prometheus - only making less money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 01, 2012, 01:22:03 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 01, 2012, 01:22:03 AM
Quote from: Topazora on Jul 31, 2012, 07:54:30 PMIt's in the film somewhat and the other materials. Da Earthlings used up their materials and resources and found a planetful of the new element (a superconducter?). It can used for this stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_applications_of_superconductivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_applications_of_superconductivity)
this is something I don't understand, did James ever go into why the humans needed the unobtainable unobtainium. I'm seriously asking, because if they mentioned it in the movie- other than its worth a lot? I never caught it, did he mention it in the interviews? Why is this metal worth a lot in the first place?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ruadh on Aug 02, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
Post by: Ruadh on Aug 02, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 02:55:53 AM
...which was why I refused to see it in the theater, making all kinds of dumb ass excuses. I've never been so pushed to see a f**king movie in my life, as I was with Avatar.
Same here. A lot of people claimed that if I liked Star Wars (which I barely do these days), then I'll love Avatar. I had no interest in it anyway, since I need more than a big visual effects spectacle to put me in a theater these days, but that just got me more entrenched the more people insisted. I've still never seen it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2012, 08:10:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2012, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 02:55:53 AM
took you fifteen minutes into the movie? I knew what Avatar was when I saw the first trailer- which was why I refused to see it in the theater, making all kinds of dumb ass excuses. I've never been so pushed to see a f**king movie in my life, as I was with Avatar.
Something tells me you didn't rush out to see TDKR, lol.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Aug 02, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: Topazora on Aug 02, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2012, 08:10:26 PMQuote from: Topazora on Jul 30, 2012, 02:55:53 AM
took you fifteen minutes into the movie? I knew what Avatar was when I saw the first trailer- which was why I refused to see it in the theater, making all kinds of dumb ass excuses. I've never been so pushed to see a f**king movie in my life, as I was with Avatar.
Something tells me you didn't rush out to see TDKR, lol.
No.. still haven't seen it. I'm going to wait a little while.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
Just don't wait too long. You'll want to see it in IMAX, trust me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Aug 02, 2012, 08:43:04 PM
Post by: Topazora on Aug 02, 2012, 08:43:04 PM
with a bottle of pepto bismol and a supply of ginger ale, I'm sure
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 14, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 14, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610)
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
I still have to buy the collector's set. Dammit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 14, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 14, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
It's more than two years since I last saw this. I should really get the Blu-Ray myself, because it's such a beautiful movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Aug 14, 2012, 01:25:51 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Aug 14, 2012, 01:25:51 PM
Thats all I got the Bluray for,one of the best blurays out visually. It really is a treat for the eyes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 14, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 14, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Aug 14, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9269/avatarbluray3d.jpg
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93610)
Seems like it's not the extended version, bleh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 01:45:12 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Rick Grimes on Jul 29, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
At least Terminator, Abyss, and Aliens were his most "original" stories.
Terminator, based heavy on an episode of the Outer Limits*. And Aliens, a Sequel? :D
* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667824/plotsummary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667824/plotsummary)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 14, 2012, 02:24:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 14, 2012, 02:24:41 PM
I bought the Avatar Blu Ray (regular edition) when it first came out, before I even had a Blu Ray player, but have yet to watch the Blu Ray edition of the film. I should give it a try at some point before the summer ends.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
I can't watch the regular edition any more, the extended cut is so superior.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 14, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 14, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
I can't watch the regular edition any more, the extended cut is so superior.
I agree and its so dam good looking on blue-ray.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cvalda on Aug 14, 2012, 08:17:24 PM
Post by: Cvalda on Aug 14, 2012, 08:17:24 PM
Is the extended cut really a substantial improvement? I saw the film twice theatrically, enjoyed it, but have no real desire to see it again. I'll give the extended cut a viewing though if it is indeed better.
And by better I don't mean overlong and bogged down like the extended cuts of Terminator 2 or arguably Aliens.
And by better I don't mean overlong and bogged down like the extended cuts of Terminator 2 or arguably Aliens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
well for a start the extended cut has a lot more scenes explaining the relationship between the scientists and the Na'vi and what happened before the events of the movie that put a wedge between them, which is the main failing of the theatrical cut
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 14, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 14, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
well for a start the extended cut has a lot more scenes explaining the relationship between the scientists and the Na'vi and what happened before the events of the movie that put a wedge between them, which is the main failing of the theatrical cut
This. Also dat future Earth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 14, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 14, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Not knowing why there was a wedge between humans and Na'vi wasn't a failing. There always is in these sorts of films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vickers on Aug 15, 2012, 07:34:21 AM
Post by: Vickers on Aug 15, 2012, 07:34:21 AM
It was a solid sci-fi film but far from groundbreaking. Visually it was beautiful but it looked a little video-gamey at times when showing the Na'vi (don't hate me).
Anyway, I'll eventually purchase the DVD/Blu-Ray but I have zero interest in any sequels. Avatar was perfectly wrapped up and wasn't crying out for a trilogy.
Anyway, I'll eventually purchase the DVD/Blu-Ray but I have zero interest in any sequels. Avatar was perfectly wrapped up and wasn't crying out for a trilogy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 15, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 15, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 14, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Not knowing why there was a wedge between humans and Na'vi wasn't a failing. There always is in these sorts of films.
failing or not, an explanation made the characters feel more dimensional.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Keg on Aug 15, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: Keg on Aug 15, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
The extra scenes revolving around the old abandoned school, riddled with bullet holes and the story that unfolds from that massively benefit Sigourney Weavers character (Grace) and she gets a couple of great, emotional scenes out of it that werent in the TC and you understand where her character is coming from much better.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 15, 2012, 06:05:32 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 15, 2012, 06:05:32 PM
KEG! What happened to your set? :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 15, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 15, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
Quoteand you understand where her character is coming from much better.
How is it difficult to understand where Grace is coming from in the TC? She wears it on her sleeve.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
Cameron doesn't do subtle characterisation. Especially in Avatar. You don't need extra scenes to explain characters -- typically you can just take any given scene and have a complete understanding completely outside the context of the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 15, 2012, 11:46:41 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 15, 2012, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
well for a start the extended cut has a lot more scenes explaining the relationship between the scientists and the Na'vi and what happened before the events of the movie that put a wedge between them, which is the main failing of the theatrical cut
I just chalked it up to foreign species tearing up their native planet. It's not as simple as that?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 15, 2012, 11:46:41 PMQuote from: AvatarIII on Aug 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
well for a start the extended cut has a lot more scenes explaining the relationship between the scientists and the Na'vi and what happened before the events of the movie that put a wedge between them, which is the main failing of the theatrical cut
I just chalked it up to foreign species tearing up their native planet. It's not as simple as that?
no actually the humans and Na'vi are friendly at first, then it basically escalates by some Na'vi resisting the humans, I think they kill some humans, and hide in the school house where they are killed if I remember correctly,
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2012, 11:11:38 PMno, characterisation isn't subtle, which is why he could afford to cut the scenes in the first place, but knowing how someone feels and knowing why they feel it are 2 different things.
Cameron doesn't do subtle characterisation. Especially in Avatar. You don't need extra scenes to explain characters -- typically you can just take any given scene and have a complete understanding completely outside the context of the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
Don't see how that makes any difference in this instance. Sometimes things are so painfully obvious they don't require explanation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 08:49:49 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 08:49:49 AM
Something being obvious and not having an explanation is a good description of a lack of dimensionality as far as I'm concerned,
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Which is Avatar all over.
Grace and Jake have 'GOOD GUY' plastered on their forehead. The corporate guy and army guy have 'BAD GUY' on theirs. The Na'vi represent the beauty of the natural world; the stereotypical evil corporates represent the exact opposite right down to their big clunky mechs being crude copies of the organic avatars.
There's no shades of gray; no questioning that maybe the Na'vi might be a bunch of pricks and the corporation isn't really so bad after all.
Grace and Jake have 'GOOD GUY' plastered on their forehead. The corporate guy and army guy have 'BAD GUY' on theirs. The Na'vi represent the beauty of the natural world; the stereotypical evil corporates represent the exact opposite right down to their big clunky mechs being crude copies of the organic avatars.
There's no shades of gray; no questioning that maybe the Na'vi might be a bunch of pricks and the corporation isn't really so bad after all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Which is Avatar all over.
Grace and Jake have 'GOOD GUY' plastered on their forehead. The corporate guy and army guy have 'BAD GUY' on theirs. The Na'vi represent the beauty of the natural world; the stereotypical evil corporates represent the exact opposite right down to their big clunky mechs being crude copies of the organic avatars.
There's no shades of gray; no questioning that maybe the Na'vi might be a bunch of pricks and the corporation isn't really so bad after all.
well in the extended cut it is hinted at that the humans were trying their hardest to be peaceful and that it was the Na'vi that were the first to attack the humans... soooo.
also i just found out that the 3D blu ray is finally being released in October!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/ref=pe_178991_31343111_pe_02b/?ASIN=B003R0KOUQ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/ref=pe_178991_31343111_pe_02b/?ASIN=B003R0KOUQ)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: LIG on Aug 16, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Post by: LIG on Aug 16, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Aug 16, 2012, 09:15:03 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Which is Avatar all over.
Grace and Jake have 'GOOD GUY' plastered on their forehead. The corporate guy and army guy have 'BAD GUY' on theirs. The Na'vi represent the beauty of the natural world; the stereotypical evil corporates represent the exact opposite right down to their big clunky mechs being crude copies of the organic avatars.
There's no shades of gray; no questioning that maybe the Na'vi might be a bunch of pricks and the corporation isn't really so bad after all.
well in the extended cut it is hinted at that the humans were trying their hardest to be peaceful and that it was the Na'vi that were the first to attack the humans... soooo.
If anything sounds like it makes more a clear case for the humans being pricks if they were trying to rape the Na'vi of their Unobtanium while trying to be friendly.
I haven't seen the extended cut so I don't know the in's and out's of the scenes
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 11:29:42 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 11:29:42 PM
I've not watched the extended cut either but http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=869530]if this summary is anything to go by, some Na'vi got pissed at a bulldozer clearing out their forest and attacked it - then the humans came back and killed a bunch of them at Grace's school. (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=869530)
Doesn't sound terribly peaceful to me.
Doesn't sound terribly peaceful to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 17, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
Post by: AvatarIII on Aug 17, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 11:29:42 PMNo but it was only retaliation. was it wrong to kill them? yes, but it's not like humans went there and immediately started gunning down any native that got in the way, there was at least some effort to live peacefully with the Na'vi, and learn from each other.
I've not watched the extended cut either but http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=869530]if this summary is anything to go by, some Na'vi got pissed at a bulldozer clearing out their forest and attacked it - then the humans came back and killed a bunch of them at Grace's school. (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=869530)
Doesn't sound terribly peaceful to me.
also it's worth looking at this page (http://www.schnittberichte.com/report.php?ID=659729) which shows the difference between the theatrical cut and the special edition (the link you posted showed the difference between the special edition and the collectors edition, so you need to read both to see all the differences between the theatrical cut and the fully extended cut.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 17, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 17, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
QuoteNo but it was only retaliation.
You say retaliation - I say massive over-reaction.
Someone started digging up your backyard are you not going to get a bit miffed about it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 17, 2012, 11:48:39 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 17, 2012, 11:48:39 PM
How cool would it to have Arnold be in the next one???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 17, 2012, 11:58:38 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 17, 2012, 11:58:38 PM
..i like the way you think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 12:53:19 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Aug 17, 2012, 11:58:38 PM
..i like the way you think.
It be so cool to see him as a badass general or special ops type of guy
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:00:12 AM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:00:12 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Aug 17, 2012, 11:48:39 PM
How cool would it to have Arnold be in the next one???
Hell
Spoiler
No
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2012, 02:01:07 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Aug 18, 2012, 02:01:07 AM
Just throw in a cigar and we are set for Arnold making an appearance.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:12:58 AM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:12:58 AM
Maybe Denzel Washington.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 02:54:09 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 02:54:09 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:12:58 AM
Maybe Denzel Washington.
Umm love his work but he just don't seem right for a movie like this
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
And Arnold does?! It'd be a joke unless he just had a cameo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 03:25:09 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 03:25:09 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
And Arnold does?! It'd be a joke unless he just had a cameo.
Dude do you not know Arnold's work? Most his work is scfi and he is good friends with James too and this type of movie is not something Washington would do just look at his work
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 04:31:23 AM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 04:31:23 AM
You have to think about the seriousness f the wrk. Arnold would just be a novelty. Denzel wouldn't work, but atleast he's plausible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
I'd like Biehn to be in the sequel. I know that Cameron didn't include him in the original because of Weaver's presence, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue now, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:34 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:34 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 18, 2012, 04:31:23 AM
You have to think about the seriousness f the wrk. Arnold would just be a novelty. Denzel wouldn't work, but atleast he's plausible.
Do you read your post? And you sure what movie your talking about?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2012, 06:56:48 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2012, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
I'd like Biehn to be in the sequel. I know that Cameron didn't include him in the original because of Weaver's presence, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue now, for obvious reasons.
I'd like to see Biehn, just 'cos he's Biehn. After Planet Terror and cleaning himself up, I woulda thought he get some more high profile work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 18, 2012, 07:05:48 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 18, 2012, 07:05:48 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 18, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
I'd like Biehn to be in the sequel. I know that Cameron didn't include him in the original because of Weaver's presence, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue now, for obvious reasons.
I'd like to see him as well. Although, if I recall correctly, I seem to recall him saying that we haven't seen the last of Grace.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2012, 07:08:07 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2012, 07:08:07 AM
Weaver has said she's already signed on. It was obvious from the second she died Obi-Wan style that she'd be back (probably Obi-Wan style; as an avatar of Eywa I'd guess).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ScardyFox on Aug 18, 2012, 07:16:25 AM
Post by: ScardyFox on Aug 18, 2012, 07:16:25 AM
Why the hell would you want Arnold in it? :o
Biehn would be awesome.
Biehn would be awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 29, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Aug 29, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
Having recently seen the movie again, I came to think of something I would like to see in a sequel. I think the idea of one of the avatars growing its own soul/mind and coming into conflict with whoever is "piloting" it would be interesting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
That would make for a fun movie, as long as Cameron doesn't drag it out to a three-hour long melodrama about blatant environmentalism.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Aug 31, 2012, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: Topazora on Aug 31, 2012, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: Laufey on Aug 29, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
Having recently seen the movie again, I came to think of something I would like to see in a sequel. I think the idea of one of the avatars growing its own soul/mind and coming into conflict with whoever is "piloting" it would be interesting.
that would be original and very interesting, if he does it well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Aug 31, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
Post by: predxeno on Aug 31, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
I would like the Avatar sequel to be darker, the first film had so many characters that I didn't like that it ruined the movie for me. If the sequel needs to have these same characters, then I want the series to become less bright and shiny and more plot-driven; I always felt that Avatar traded plot for special effects, that's probably what made the film so popular.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2012, 07:37:17 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2012, 07:37:17 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
That would make for a fun movie, as long as Cameron doesn't drag it out to a three-hour long melodrama about blatant environmentalism.
But isn't that the whole point?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 01, 2012, 07:48:53 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 01, 2012, 07:48:53 AM
I know, stop pissing around like a bitch and get back to blasting acid-blood aliens and assassinating people with time-traveling cyborgs, Cameron.
Let me mail you copies of your old films so you can remember what cool is supposed to be like.
Let me mail you copies of your old films so you can remember what cool is supposed to be like.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2012, 07:37:17 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
That would make for a fun movie, as long as Cameron doesn't drag it out to a three-hour long melodrama about blatant environmentalism.
But isn't that the whole point?
It doesn't have to be.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2012, 01:50:51 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2012, 01:50:51 AM
It does if that's what Jimbob wants.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Well obviously. In which case, I wouldn't bother with it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
If there is an Avatar 4 it will likely be a prequel, it seems.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 08, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 08, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
Sounds like a good idea. It'd be nice to see the first expedition to Pandora and/or what happened later down the line which sparked the conflict with the Na'vi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Sep 09, 2012, 01:55:10 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 09, 2012, 01:55:10 PM
I`d love to see PvA (Predator vs Avatar) :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM
Never mind that, I want to see what would happen if the Aliens ravaged Pandora. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 10, 2012, 04:26:09 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 10, 2012, 04:26:09 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg23.imageshack.us%2Fimg23%2F4175%2Ff3fa171395e4652f43de90b.jpg&hash=ca0b8c8ce47d13ded1984e2a3846d06d8c4bed33)
Never mind that, I want to see what would happen if the Aliens ravaged Pandora. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 10, 2012, 04:32:13 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 10, 2012, 04:32:13 AM
What... the f**k.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 10, 2012, 04:44:37 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 10, 2012, 04:44:37 AM
Every bit of life on Pandora (even Aliens spawned from the Na'vi) have six limbs, except for the Na'vi themselves :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 10, 2012, 04:45:53 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 10, 2012, 04:45:53 AM
Looks like it has f**king Quato sticking out of its chest. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2012, 04:49:48 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2012, 04:49:48 AM
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2012, 07:54:55 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2012, 07:54:55 AM
"Start the reactor, Ripley!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Michael Harper on Sep 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: Michael Harper on Sep 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that James Cameron talking about a fourth Avatar film, and what it will likely be about, is getting a bit ahead of himself. He hasn't even started production on a second Avatar film yet.
I hope this franchise doesn't become another Star Wars. I fairly enjoyed Avatar, it has some major flaws, but it was also a very exciting and spectacular Sci-Fi Action film. Unless Cameron does something special with a sequel that defies my low expectations, I have got no interest in this becoming a major franchise.
But...when money is involved, and a big chunk of money at that, I'm sure this could go on for as long as James Cameron wants it too.
I hope this franchise doesn't become another Star Wars. I fairly enjoyed Avatar, it has some major flaws, but it was also a very exciting and spectacular Sci-Fi Action film. Unless Cameron does something special with a sequel that defies my low expectations, I have got no interest in this becoming a major franchise.
But...when money is involved, and a big chunk of money at that, I'm sure this could go on for as long as James Cameron wants it too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2012, 10:10:18 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 10, 2012, 10:10:18 AM
It's in pre-production. Cameron's been at Weta talking to them at some point in the last year or so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Dovahkiin on Sep 10, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
Post by: Dovahkiin on Sep 10, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 10, 2012, 04:26:09 AMQuote from: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg23.imageshack.us%2Fimg23%2F4175%2Ff3fa171395e4652f43de90b.jpg&hash=ca0b8c8ce47d13ded1984e2a3846d06d8c4bed33)
Never mind that, I want to see what would happen if the Aliens ravaged Pandora. ;D
...Damn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 10, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 10, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
Is he taking the Star Wars route and going to make three prequels?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 10, 2012, 12:45:08 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 10, 2012, 12:45:08 PM
Something I started "cooking" today and which I've wanted to make for a while now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp218PMrXlc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp218PMrXlc#ws)
Full video coming (hopefully) soon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp218PMrXlc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp218PMrXlc#ws)
Full video coming (hopefully) soon!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 06:42:55 PM
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: Stannis Baratheon on Sep 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that James Cameron talking about a fourth Avatar film, and what it will likely be about, is getting a bit ahead of himself. He hasn't even started production on a second Avatar film yet.
I hope this franchise doesn't become another Star Wars. I fairly enjoyed Avatar, it has some major flaws, but it was also a very exciting and spectacular Sci-Fi Action film. Unless Cameron does something special with a sequel that defies my low expectations, I have got no interest in this becoming a major franchise.
But...when money is involved, and a big chunk of money at that, I'm sure this could go on for as long as James Cameron wants it too.
I think the series needs to get darker in its sequels, otherwise the films just aren't as exciting or suspenseful as Cameron's previous work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Sep 10, 2012, 07:12:12 PM
Post by: Topazora on Sep 10, 2012, 07:12:12 PM
You know what would really had depth to the franchise is if they find a darker, more sinister side of Ewa. Like maybe she had very dark origins and she's not all that harmonious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Sep 10, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
Post by: Magegg on Sep 10, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
If there is an Avatar 4 it will likely be a prequel, it seems.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955)
... And if there's a fifth, it will be a remake xD
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
Post by: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 10, 2012, 07:12:12 PM
You know what would really had depth to the franchise is if they find a darker, more sinister side of Ewa. Like maybe she had very dark origins and she's not all that harmonious.
You got me thinking of Alma from the F.E.A.R. series. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Sep 10, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 10, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Sep 10, 2012, 07:15:14 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 08, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
If there is an Avatar 4 it will likely be a prequel, it seems.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=66955)
... And if there's a fifth, it will be a remake xD
The fifth one will undisputably be PVA :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 10, 2012, 07:12:12 PM
You know what would really had depth to the franchise is if they find a darker, more sinister side of Ewa. Like maybe she had very dark origins and she's not all that harmonious.
Maybe Eywa is the f**king Thing! A giant planet size THING!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Sep 10, 2012, 11:02:01 PM
Post by: Magegg on Sep 10, 2012, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Master on Sep 10, 2012, 09:55:27 PMThe fifth one will undisputably be PVA :PParalyzed Veterans of America (http://www.pva.org/site/c.ajIRK9NJLcJ2E/b.6305401/k.BCBB/Home.htm)?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 06:42:55 PMQuote from: Stannis Baratheon on Sep 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that James Cameron talking about a fourth Avatar film, and what it will likely be about, is getting a bit ahead of himself. He hasn't even started production on a second Avatar film yet.
I hope this franchise doesn't become another Star Wars. I fairly enjoyed Avatar, it has some major flaws, but it was also a very exciting and spectacular Sci-Fi Action film. Unless Cameron does something special with a sequel that defies my low expectations, I have got no interest in this becoming a major franchise.
But...when money is involved, and a big chunk of money at that, I'm sure this could go on for as long as James Cameron wants it too.
I think the series needs to get darker in its sequels, otherwise the films just aren't as exciting or suspenseful as Cameron's previous work.
Could this sort of movie be dark to begin with? Avatar, for all of the battle scenes, seemed a bit light-hearted compared to other movies I've seen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 11, 2012, 03:47:59 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 11, 2012, 03:47:59 AM
Star Wars was pretty lighthearted at first, and got darker and darker as it went on.
And its been a while since I saw Avatar, but if I remember correctly, the scene in the middle where the humans launch the surprise attack and shoot all the missiles and stuff at the Na'vi is pretty dark.
And its been a while since I saw Avatar, but if I remember correctly, the scene in the middle where the humans launch the surprise attack and shoot all the missiles and stuff at the Na'vi is pretty dark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
Meh, I didn't feel anything. It was too dramatic for me to really care.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Sep 11, 2012, 04:24:45 AM
Post by: predxeno on Sep 11, 2012, 04:24:45 AM
I didn't feel anything for the Na'vi, either.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2012, 04:31:54 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2012, 04:31:54 AM
Probably 'cos only the tree got fragged, and the Na'vi largely seemed to survive.
When you look at Empire Strikes Back, the Rebels get found on Hoth (after Luke gets bashed up by a wampa), get their arses roundly kicked, the Falcon is pursued through asteroids and eventually to Cloud City (after escaping a space slug), Yoda shows Luke how utterly unprepared he is, and he subsequently gets a kicking from Vader, only for the friends he was trying to help to have to risk their lives to turn around and save him. But only after Han is taken by Boba Fett.
If not for Artoo...
Nothing goes right for them. That's what life is, a series of down endings.
When you look at Empire Strikes Back, the Rebels get found on Hoth (after Luke gets bashed up by a wampa), get their arses roundly kicked, the Falcon is pursued through asteroids and eventually to Cloud City (after escaping a space slug), Yoda shows Luke how utterly unprepared he is, and he subsequently gets a kicking from Vader, only for the friends he was trying to help to have to risk their lives to turn around and save him. But only after Han is taken by Boba Fett.
If not for Artoo...
Nothing goes right for them. That's what life is, a series of down endings.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 11, 2012, 08:46:28 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 11, 2012, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
Meh, I didn't feel anything. It was too dramatic for me to really care.
Just cause you didnt feel anything doesnt mean it wasnt trying to convey something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 11, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 11, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 11, 2012, 01:45:01 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 11, 2012, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 10, 2012, 04:26:09 AMQuote from: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg23.imageshack.us%2Fimg23%2F4175%2Ff3fa171395e4652f43de90b.jpg&hash=ca0b8c8ce47d13ded1984e2a3846d06d8c4bed33)
Never mind that, I want to see what would happen if the Aliens ravaged Pandora. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
Fun fact: Na'vi in Hebrew means prophet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 11, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Sep 11, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:40:20 PMBut they never saw it coming. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fguildwars.incgamers.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Flarge%2Fsmiley_evil.gif&hash=bf2722611b60c80af9321f114ad94e6f7e4bc7a7)
Fun fact: Na'vi in Hebrew means prophet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:44:13 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:44:13 PM
Oh, the coincidental irony...
(though most Hebrew prophets didn't see the future, they just talked to God and stuff and did zealous things.)
(though most Hebrew prophets didn't see the future, they just talked to God and stuff and did zealous things.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 11, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 11, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Sep 11, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
Fun fact: Na'vi in Hebrew means prophet.
I thought Na'vi was just shortening Native.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 11, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 11, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 11, 2012, 01:45:01 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 10, 2012, 04:26:09 AMQuote from: predxeno on Sep 10, 2012, 01:56:00 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg23.imageshack.us%2Fimg23%2F4175%2Ff3fa171395e4652f43de90b.jpg&hash=ca0b8c8ce47d13ded1984e2a3846d06d8c4bed33)
Never mind that, I want to see what would happen if the Aliens ravaged Pandora. ;D
Sorry!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 11, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 11, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Repetita iuvant, bro.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 11, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 11, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Oh, it's no problem. Just means I got to see Quato-Alien again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:20:16 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:20:16 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 11, 2012, 08:46:28 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
Meh, I didn't feel anything. It was too dramatic for me to really care.
Just cause you didnt feel anything doesnt mean it wasnt trying to convey something.
That's the problem; it was trying too hard.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 12, 2012, 02:24:36 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 12, 2012, 02:24:36 AM
Eh, I thought the scene did what it was trying to do; I felt bad.
Actually, I thought it was the ending the first time I saw it.
Actually, I thought it was the ending the first time I saw it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:29:43 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:29:43 AM
Are we talking about the tree burning scene? Right after Michelle Rodriguez' character pulls out?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 12, 2012, 02:35:08 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 12, 2012, 02:35:08 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:29:43 AMYeah, the tree burning scene. It been a long time since I've watched Avatar...may do that soon. I don't think I even even fully watched my Blu Ray copy.
Are we talking about the tree burning scene? Right after Michelle Rodriguez' character pulls out?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:50:31 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 02:50:31 AM
See, I would have minded it a bit less if it hadn't been so damn forced. I remember slow-mo and instrumental music; nothing but corny, corny, corny.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:53:53 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:53:53 AM
But the audience needs to have it hammered over their heads on how to feel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 12, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Sep 12, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
I won't be surprise if James Cameron makes a Avatar prequel trilogy :laugh:.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
The Lucas route? Depends; think he could come up with enough unoriginal material for five more movies, counting the two sequels?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
Walk in the computer generated park.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Oh I dunno, 'cos she's been hanging out with them the whole time during the film and then refuses to blow up the Na'vi with the rest of the army guys... Obviously didn't set off any alarm bells with honchos...
And, OH she's broken them out of jail... Convenient.
And, OH she's broken them out of jail... Convenient.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 02:37:30 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Do we know that it wasn't dealt with?
Perhaps she was ordered to "clean the latrine's" for a month?
The prison guard obviously didn't know about what happened.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 02:42:06 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 02:42:06 AM
QuoteDo we know that it wasn't dealt with?
Nothing's mentioned in the film, so there's nothing to imply it was dealt with off screen. And since one of Quaritch's bitches was one of Michelle Rodriguez's door gunners, it's odd it's never mentioned.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 02:42:06 AM
Nothing's mentioned in the film, so there's nothing to imply it was dealt with off screen.
Fair enough.
But it's what I've always assumed.
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 02:42:06 AMAnd since one of Quaritch's bitches was one of Michelle Rodriguez's door gunners, it's odd it's never mentioned.
Which leads back to my prior comment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 13, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 13, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Your boss cant make you do something that is not part of your job, your boss is not your slave master.
And, yes, there have been plenty of times when my boss ask me to do something and i've declined and there was no trouble. Why? Because we both know that this isnt something i have to do as part of my job. He can ask but i can decline.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 13, 2012, 05:41:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Your boss cant make you do something that is not part of your job, your boss is not your slave master.
And, yes, there have been plenty of times when my boss ask me to do something and i've declined and there was no trouble. Why? Because we both know that this isnt something i have to do as part of my job. He can ask but i can decline.
In all fairness they were a military outfit.
The scene from Forrest Gump springs to mind:
"GUMP! What is your sole purpose in this army?"
"To do whatever you tell me to drill sergeant."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 13, 2012, 05:41:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Your boss cant make you do something that is not part of your job, your boss is not your slave master.
And, yes, there have been plenty of times when my boss ask me to do something and i've declined and there was no trouble. Why? Because we both know that this isnt something i have to do as part of my job. He can ask but i can decline.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdata.whicdn.com%2Fimages%2F18363458%2Fwatch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme_large.png&hash=3100ff346383d1d8bd31ecd216d71e66f92a591b)
I'm wondering what she thought she was signing up for...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: severen76 on Sep 14, 2012, 12:38:12 AM
Post by: severen76 on Sep 14, 2012, 12:38:12 AM
Clearly not the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
:laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 05:21:48 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 05:21:48 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 13, 2012, 05:41:09 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 13, 2012, 02:31:48 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 12, 2012, 05:30:27 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and is never dealt with afterwards. AND allowed access to the prisoners.
What was there to deal with? They are a PMC and not the military. The conversation would have gone probably the same way the dialogue she gave when she left, "I didnt sign up for this." So there would probably be some sort of contract dispute about what she was and wasnt required to do for this job.
And why wouldnt she be allowed access to prisoners?
If you have a job, walk out on something your boss tells you to do and see how he reacts. Then you'll have your answer.
Your boss cant make you do something that is not part of your job, your boss is not your slave master.
And, yes, there have been plenty of times when my boss ask me to do something and i've declined and there was no trouble. Why? Because we both know that this isnt something i have to do as part of my job. He can ask but i can decline.
And if it was part of your job?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 06:28:38 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 06:28:38 AM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 13, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
In all fairness they were a military outfit.
The scene from Forrest Gump springs to mind:
"GUMP! What is your sole purpose in this army?"
"To do whatever you tell me to drill sergeant."
Like i said in my original post, they are a PMC. PMCs dont function exactly like the military.
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
http://data.whicdn.com/images/18363458/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme_large.png
I'm wondering what she thought she was signing up for...
There is nothing about being a badass just because you know your rights.
And im guessing she signed up to be a pilot that was not going to be involved in attacking the native population.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 05:21:48 AM
And if it was part of your job?
Then i guess she could be in some sort of trouble. But since we got that line of dialogue from her then we can clearly see that she was not required to be part of such an action.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
QuoteAnd im guessing she signed up to be a pilot that was not going to be involved in attacking the native population.
Flying a helicopter with machine guns and missiles?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Salt The Fries on Sep 14, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Sep 14, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
I haven't seen Avatar...yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 14, 2012, 07:26:41 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 14, 2012, 07:26:41 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Sep 14, 2012, 06:37:36 AMYou're kidding??
I haven't seen Avatar...yet.
Prepare yourself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-SVpZrnF34#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-SVpZrnF34#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-SVpZrnF34#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-SVpZrnF34#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
A figure of speech for what exactly?
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
Flying a helicopter with machine guns and missiles?
What? Having a weapon automatically means you will assault something?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Keg on Sep 14, 2012, 11:34:11 AM
Post by: Keg on Sep 14, 2012, 11:34:11 AM
No. Does signing upto the military necessarily mean you will be guaranteed to see combat and have to fire a weapon at an enemy? No. But signing up does mean that you are willing to do so if required.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
A figure of speech for what exactly?
In The Dark Knight, the SWAT officer riding shotgun after Harvey Dent is taken into custody says just that when the convoy is under attack by the Joker. What he means is, he never expected something of that magnitude to happen in his line of work as a SWAT officer. There's your explanation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Sep 14, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
Post by: Topazora on Sep 14, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
Flying a helicopter with machine guns and missiles?
What? Having a weapon automatically means you will assault something?
if you're trained and given access to such weapon, you are expected to assault something, otherwise what's the point? We're not talking about a little house wife being handed a gun for protection.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 06:20:23 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
A figure of speech for what exactly?
In The Dark Knight, the SWAT officer riding shotgun after Harvey Dent is taken into custody says just that when the convoy is under attack by the Joker. What he means is, he never expected something of that magnitude to happen in his line of work as a SWAT officer. There's your explanation.
Or it could mean that.... you know.. he didnt sign up to fight super villains.
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 14, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
if you're trained and given access to such weapon, you are expected to assault something, otherwise what's the point? We're not talking about a little house wife being handed a gun for protection.
I see... i wonder why people get angry at cops when they go assaulting stuff, since, you know, they are trained to use weapons.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:06:14 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 06:20:23 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
A figure of speech for what exactly?
In The Dark Knight, the SWAT officer riding shotgun after Harvey Dent is taken into custody says just that when the convoy is under attack by the Joker. What he means is, he never expected something of that magnitude to happen in his line of work as a SWAT officer. There's your explanation.
Or it could mean that.... you know.. he didnt sign up to fight super villains.Quote from: Topazora on Sep 14, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
if you're trained and given access to such weapon, you are expected to assault something, otherwise what's the point? We're not talking about a little house wife being handed a gun for protection.
I see... i wonder why people get angry at cops when they go assaulting stuff, since, you know, they are trained to use weapons.
LOL, the SWAT dude wasn't fighting no Supervillains in that movie at all!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?
News to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: First Blood on Sep 14, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
Post by: First Blood on Sep 14, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2012, 09:42:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
"I didn't sign up for this" is usually used as a figure of speech, not something literal. "Blow up the natives" may not have explicitly been in the contract, but that doesn't mean following orders when given wasn't.
A figure of speech for what exactly?
Killing Na'vi.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 10:11:42 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2012, 10:11:42 PM
QuoteWhat? Having a weapon automatically means you will assault something?
At some point yeah, when you're ordered to do so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 15, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 15, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
LOL, the SWAT dude wasn't fighting no Supervillains in that movie at all!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:46:29 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?
News to me.
A major point of The Dark Knight was how Batman opened the door to the criminal world to go up to the next level just like he went up to the next level to fight crime. That was one of MAJOR point of the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Sep 15, 2012, 10:52:34 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 15, 2012, 10:52:34 PM
Still not a supervillain.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2012, 05:54:34 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2012, 05:54:34 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 15, 2012, 06:25:42 PMQuote from: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
LOL, the SWAT dude wasn't fighting no Supervillains in that movie at all!Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 14, 2012, 09:46:29 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The Joker is a supervillain?
News to me.
A major point of The Dark Knight was how Batman opened the door to the criminal world to go up to the next level just like he went up to the next level to fight crime. That was one of MAJOR point of the movie.
Supervillain implies the villain has superpowers, of which the Joker has none.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 18, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 18, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2012, 05:54:34 PM
Supervillain implies the villain has superpowers, of which the Joker has none.
All of you very well know what one means when one says the word 'Superhero' and 'Supervillain.'
What I dont really know what is the point of this run-around.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Sep 18, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
Post by: Topazora on Sep 18, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I'm kinda wondering what this debate of semantics has to do with Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
There's a huge difference between protection and assaulting the native population.
She signed up for protection and piloting duties - NOT to kill natives in an all out assault. That's what she meant.
She signed up for protection and piloting duties - NOT to kill natives in an all out assault. That's what she meant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
I want a clause in my contract that states I can do whatever the f**k I want when I feel like it, too!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
I want a clause in my contract that states I can do whatever the f**k I want when I feel like it, too!
See my previous post.
AND an employer can not ask you to do something illegal (i'm not saying anything about the actions in avatar just making a general statement).
Much like an officer can't go to a soldier "see all those innocent civilans over there, here's a handgun, go and shoot every one of them in the head for me so we can loot their homes"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
Doesn't stop them trying. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre)
It's not that she defied Quaritch so much as she was never disciplined over it and had easy access to people who'd been branded as traitors - people she'd associated with a lot.
It's not that she defied Quaritch so much as she was never disciplined over it and had easy access to people who'd been branded as traitors - people she'd associated with a lot.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:29:38 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:29:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
Doesn't stop them trying. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre)
Unfortunately so.
Quote from: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48:04 PMIt's not that she defied Quaritch so much as she was never disciplined over it and had easy access to people who'd been branded as traitors - people she'd associated with a lot.
Firstly, I was making a comment on the fact that other people were talking about "what she signed up for" and also your last post regarding wanting a contract that says you can do whatever you want.
Secondly, regarding the discipline - I've already covered that in prior posts. There's nothing to say she was disciplined and there's nothing to say that she wasn't disciplined. It's not dealt with on screen. The guard that allowed her access probably didn't know about her actions.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
But others did, ergo it's not dealt with at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:52:21 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:52:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 19, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
But others did, ergo it's not dealt with at all.
Huh?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 11:11:21 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
I want a clause in my contract that states I can do whatever the f**k I want when I feel like it, too!
See my previous post.
AND an employer can not ask you to do something illegal (i'm not saying anything about the actions in avatar just making a general statement).
Much like an officer can't go to a soldier "see all those innocent civilans over there, here's a handgun, go and shoot every one of them in the head for me so we can loot their homes"
She was a soldier and by that fact alone, she implicitly agrees to kill. She's not murdering innocent civilians as you put it because she isn't doing out of cold blood.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:59:42 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 12:59:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 12:53:23 AMQuote from: stephen on Sep 18, 2012, 11:11:21 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 18, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
I want a clause in my contract that states I can do whatever the f**k I want when I feel like it, too!
See my previous post.
AND an employer can not ask you to do something illegal (i'm not saying anything about the actions in avatar just making a general statement).
Much like an officer can't go to a soldier "see all those innocent civilans over there, here's a handgun, go and shoot every one of them in the head for me so we can loot their homes"
She was a soldier and by that fact alone, she implicitly agrees to kill. She's not murdering innocent civilians as you put it because she isn't doing out of cold blood.
Get off it.
Agreeing to being involved in combat situations is completely different to agreeing to invasion and killing natives to loot their homes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
Oh for the love of...
There was no combat situation to be involved in? Really? What the hell do you call the kerfuffle at the end? And regardless, their mere presence on Pandora was a sign that they had to be ready for an altercation of some sort.
There was no combat situation to be involved in? Really? What the hell do you call the kerfuffle at the end? And regardless, their mere presence on Pandora was a sign that they had to be ready for an altercation of some sort.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2012, 01:15:09 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2012, 01:15:09 AM
Their mere presence with a shittonne of guns and missiles...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 01:15:23 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
Oh for the love of...
There was no combat situation to be involved in? Really? What the hell do you call the kerfuffle at the end? And regardless, their mere presence on Pandora was a sign that they had to be ready for an altercation of some sort.
Now my turn.
For f**k's sake...
MY POINT - is that there is a difference in accepting the fact that when someone joins the army, they are indeed agreeing to certain levels of combat situation - BUT they are not agreeing to killing people to loot their homes (Jesus how many times do I need to say it)
I never said that there was no combat situation to be involved in. The movie clearly indicates that Pandora is dangerous, has dangerous animals and so on and so forth. f**king large ones too. The military were there from a protection standpoint. Far, far, far f**king different to them destroying Hometree and killing the natives in the manner they did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 19, 2012, 01:17:01 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Sep 19, 2012, 01:17:01 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 01:15:23 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
Oh for the love of...
There was no combat situation to be involved in? Really? What the hell do you call the kerfuffle at the end? And regardless, their mere presence on Pandora was a sign that they had to be ready for an altercation of some sort.
Now my turn.
For f**k's sake...
MY POINT - is that there is a difference in accepting the fact that when someone joins the army, they are indeed agreeing to certain levels of combat situation - BUT they are not agreeing to killing people to loot their homes (Jesus how many times do I need to say it)
I never said that there was no combat situation to be involved in. The movie clearly indicates that Pandora is dangerous, has dangerous animals and so on and so forth. f**king large ones too. The military were there from a protection standpoint. Far, far, far f**king different to them destroying Hometree and killing the natives in the manner they did.
I just realized; it's a private security force, not a legit military, which makes them a group of mercs. Ergo, they are contracted to do as they're told. That makes Rodriguez' lack of order-following, if you will, that much more severe.
It also refutes your argument about looting the homes and murdering the people. That's what they're paid to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 01:29:23 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
I just realized; it's a private security force, not a legit military, which makes them a group of mercs. Ergo, they are contracted to do as they're told. That makes Rodriguez' lack of order-following, if you will, that much more severe.
It also refutes your argument about looting the homes and murdering the people. That's what they're paid to do.
No it doesn't.
They could be a private organisation but simply contracted for security reasons. It's happening in afghanistan right now.
I'm not disputing the fact that the officers/Quartich (sp) would want to discipline Rodriguiz (shit that's two I can't spell). Of course she disobeyed a direct order. I'm saying that she probably WAS disciplined but it's just not dealt with on screen. I'm ALSO saying that the order that was given was an illegal order and not "what she signed up for".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
They're contracted for security reasons, but what I'm saying is, they're paid to do as they're told despite that. Quaritch also had no problem attacking the Hometree as it was pretty obvious he wanted to do that since day one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
They're contracted for security reasons, but what I'm saying is, they're paid to do as they're told despite that.
Except anything illegal or not contracted to do.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AMQuaritch also had no problem attacking the Hometree as it was pretty obvious he wanted to do that since day one.
This doesn't make it right. It's fairly obvious that Quaritch is not a moral person.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 03:01:01 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 03:01:01 AM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:16 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
They're contracted for security reasons, but what I'm saying is, they're paid to do as they're told despite that.
Except anything illegal or not contracted to do.
How do you know they weren't contracted for that in the first place? And once again, being a private group, they're paid to do as they're told. There is no air of legality they operate within.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 03:04:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 03:04:08 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 03:01:01 AMQuote from: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:16 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:34:06 AM
They're contracted for security reasons, but what I'm saying is, they're paid to do as they're told despite that.
Except anything illegal or not contracted to do.
How do you know they weren't contracted for that in the first place? And once again, being a private group, they're paid to do as they're told. There is no air of legality they operate within.
Seriously?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 03:05:51 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 03:05:51 AM
Yes, seriously. Find me a merc or a hired gun who gives a hoot about right or wrong as long as he's paid accordingly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 19, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 19, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
Ain't no laws 4 lightyears out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
That's it, I give up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: coolbreeze on Sep 19, 2012, 03:15:37 AM
Post by: coolbreeze on Sep 19, 2012, 03:15:37 AM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
That's it, I give up.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 04:06:40 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 04:06:40 AM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Sep 19, 2012, 08:10:21 AM
Post by: Topazora on Sep 19, 2012, 08:10:21 AM
Personally, I just find the whole "this isn't what I signed up for" just poor writing and poor use of an overused line, especially when she should've had an idea of what was going to go down before she signed on. I have no problem with her questioning the orders and then refusing to do so at that critical point in the movie. Though, she should've been thrown into the prison with the rest of the poorly written heroes, but they needed someone to bail them out and surprise the audience with a predictable "character development".
So yeah, she did sign on to invade a native people, she just had a change of heart somewhere in the middle.
So yeah, she did sign on to invade a native people, she just had a change of heart somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
I just realized; it's a private security force, not a legit military,
Jebus, reallly?
How long has the movie been out and this conversation been going on where this is stated and NOW you figured out what PMC means?
Quote
which makes them a group of mercs. Ergo, they are contracted to do as they're told. That makes Rodriguez' lack of order-following, if you will, that much more severe.
It also refutes your argument about looting the homes and murdering the people. That's what they're paid to do.
We dont know what her contact involves, that's the argument here.
The fact that she says that she didnt sign up for that gives a clue that she might just have been hired to be a pilot and nothing more.
PMCs are not just full of soldiers, there ARE other people hired to do other things that dont involve combat.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:45:41 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 19, 2012, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 19, 2012, 03:06:09 AMYes there are, which is why RDA needed to relocate the Na'vi rather than arbitrarily exterminate them, until the Na'vi fall for Quaritch's underhanded provocations and attack RDA machinery and troops, resulting in a 'legal' counter-attack on Hometree. The first half of the film is about Selfridge and Quaritch trying to get out of this legal quagmire and get rid of the Omaticaya. "This is exactly the incident we needed," says Quaritch after the Na'vi attack their dozers and Amp Suits.
Ain't no laws 4 lightyears out.
GRACE: They bulldozed a sacred site on purpose, to trigger a response. They're fabricating this war to get what they want.
JAKE: Yup. That's how it's done. When people are sitting on shit you want, you make them your enemy. Then you're justified in taking it.
RDA needed probable and just cause because of the laws in effect.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
Jebus, reallly?
How long has the movie been out and this conversation been going on where this is stated and NOW you figured out what PMC means?
I forgot. Sue me.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
We dont know what her contact involves, that's the argument here.
The fact that she says that she didnt sign up for that gives a clue that she might just have been hired to be a pilot and nothing more.
PMCs are not just full of soldiers, there ARE other people hired to do other things that dont involve combat.
You're giving James Cameron too much credit as a writer here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: severen76 on Sep 19, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
Post by: severen76 on Sep 19, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
Surely she wouldn't of had access to a military death ship if she was just a civilian contractor.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 19, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 19, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Trudy was a SecOps pilot, whose primary task was flying sorties for science teams. She later makes the remark of "I didn't sign up for this shit!" after refusing to fire on Hometree. So she was "forced" as part of the RDA to attack Hometree, which probably wasn't in the contract that she "signed up for".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
She was still a pilot. Whether she liked it or not, she was the one flying a ship into the attack zone and had a job to do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 06:46:55 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
Jebus, reallly?
How long has the movie been out and this conversation been going on where this is stated and NOW you figured out what PMC means?
I forgot. Sue me.
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QuoteQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
We dont know what her contact involves, that's the argument here.
The fact that she says that she didnt sign up for that gives a clue that she might just have been hired to be a pilot and nothing more.
PMCs are not just full of soldiers, there ARE other people hired to do other things that dont involve combat.
You're giving James Cameron too much credit as a writer here.
He wrote Aliens, man.... ALIENSSSS.
Quote from: severen76 on Sep 19, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
Surely she wouldn't of had access to a military death ship if she was just a civilian contractor.
Just because you can put weapons on something it doesnt automatically mean anything.
I could put a bunch of guns on my 10 speed bike.
This is a military death ship, the Scorpion Gunship. (http://www.pandorapedia.com/human_operations/vehicles/scorpion_gunship)
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A machine BUILT for combat.
This is what she was flying, the SA-2 Samson. (http://www.pandorapedia.com/sa_2_samson)
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This is just a futuristic UH-1 Huey
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 08:22:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 06:46:55 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
Jebus, reallly?
How long has the movie been out and this conversation been going on where this is stated and NOW you figured out what PMC means?
I forgot. Sue me.
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4381/3576objection.jpgQuoteQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
We dont know what her contact involves, that's the argument here.
The fact that she says that she didnt sign up for that gives a clue that she might just have been hired to be a pilot and nothing more.
PMCs are not just full of soldiers, there ARE other people hired to do other things that dont involve combat.
You're giving James Cameron too much credit as a writer here.
He wrote Aliens, man.... ALIENSSSS.
Ok, and?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
Ok, and?
I dont think i'm giving him too much credit.
That whole movie was about some company-man screwing everyone over because of his greed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
My point is that you're thinking he's trying to subtle about else entirely, which in this case would've been Rodriguez not being a soldier but some kind of civilian operative. My crack at Cameron is that he wouldn't know subtlety like that if it hit him in the face.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
Ain't that the truth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
Welcome to the internet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:49:36 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
Welcome to the internet.
I know, but wasting so much time over such a pointless line is kind of sad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:51:01 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:49:36 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
Welcome to the internet.
I know, but wasting so much time over such a pointless line is kind of sad.
To reiterate Doomrulz's comment - again, welcome to the internet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Post by: Rick Grimes on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
I'm surprised no one brought up the news about James Cameron filming Avatar 2 in China and suggested the idea of having "Chinese Na'Vi living on Pandora".
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Sep 19, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
All this pointless nerd discussion over such a small thing... ::)
This is what we are.
Quote from: Rick Grimes on Sep 19, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
I'm surprised no one brought up the news about James Cameron filming Avatar 2 in China and suggested the idea of having "Chinese Na'Vi living on Pandora".
Oh, shit. Yeah, I heard about this too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 02:58:46 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 02:58:46 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
She was a soldier and by that fact alone, she implicitly agrees to kill.
There isnt one soldier in the movie. Its been explained multiple times by Cameron and to a certain extent in the movie that those people are private security, most of them mercenaries, very very few ex soldiers. Its more evident in the deleted mutiny scene and in the briefing, wheere you can see soldiers looking like pirates or prison runaways
The point of such heavy equipped security team was pretty clear, Pandora isnt a paradise for people and is full of oversized animals that will rip people and complexes apart. But, attack on hometree was fairly justified since officially they wnated to just drive Navi out of there, not murder them. Since negotiations failed and RDA had to get this piece of land, this mission was justified. The war at the end was of course not and was a result of Quaritch's mutiny against RDA and Selfridge
I think Quaritch had a talk with Trudy offscreen, but there wasnt any justification to detain her or throw her out. As far as her access to the prisoners, as someone mentioned before, the other guys probably didnt know anything about Trudy's defiance of Quaritch. Plus, she DIDNT have access to the prisoners, she pretended shes bringing them food and didnt have the keys
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
My crack at Cameron is that he wouldn't know subtlety like that if it hit him in the face.
he was a master of it and subliminality with his work on T2. Im still amazed at all the subtle messages, and even casual hints that were pointed out on the latest sets and Illustrated Screenplay. Now he switched more into Nolan mode, where everything is spelled out, but I dont mind this approach. Its just a different type of approach, not a 'right' or 'wrong' situation. Plus, as far as avatar, people keep forgetting it was a movie originally made for Disney and greenlit by Disney, I dont know how much you can expect from a movie described by its creator as a simple jungle adventure
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 20, 2012, 03:27:10 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 20, 2012, 03:27:10 AM
"was a master" being the operative phrase...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 20, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 20, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 02:58:46 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
She was a soldier and by that fact alone, she implicitly agrees to kill.
There isnt one soldier in the movie. Its been explained multiple times by Cameron and to a certain extent in the movie that those people are private security, most of them mercenaries, very very few ex soldiers. Its more evident in the deleted mutiny scene and in the briefing, wheere you can see soldiers looking like pirates or prison runaways
Ok fine, mercenary. Replace mercenary with soldier in my original sentence and you'll understand what I mean.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 02:58:46 AM
I dont know how much you can expect from a movie described by its creator as a simple jungle adventure
Considering people are hailing the film as the greatest thing ever, a lot more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Sep 20, 2012, 03:26:51 PM
Post by: predxeno on Sep 20, 2012, 03:26:51 PM
This film is most certainly not the greatest thing ever; Aliens was the greatest thing ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
I agree PX, but it's really hard to judge the two seeing how different they are genre-wise. They share a science-fiction label, but as far as story, tension, and action are concerned, they're miles apart.
There wasn't a horror element in Avatar, unless you were a Democrat watching it and relating the military forces to the evil George Bush neo-con industrial complex. :laugh:
Just going to throw this out there, but they sure didn't make them look or seem like Mercenaries. For all intents, they looked and acted just like a military unit. Wait a minute, the marines got Sully to go in the first place, so it was definitely a marine operation, wasn't it?
There wasn't a horror element in Avatar, unless you were a Democrat watching it and relating the military forces to the evil George Bush neo-con industrial complex. :laugh:
Just going to throw this out there, but they sure didn't make them look or seem like Mercenaries. For all intents, they looked and acted just like a military unit. Wait a minute, the marines got Sully to go in the first place, so it was definitely a marine operation, wasn't it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: coolbreeze on Sep 20, 2012, 04:20:11 PM
Post by: coolbreeze on Sep 20, 2012, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Just going to throw this out there, but they sure didn't make them look or seem like Mercenaries. For all intents, they looked and acted just like a military unit. Wait a minute, the marines got Sully to go in the first place, so it was definitely a marine operation, wasn't it?
I always thought it was a PMC comprised of former Marines.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 05:03:40 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Wait a minute, the marines got Sully to go in the first place, so it was definitely a marine operation, wasn't it?
Thats incorrect. Suits from the company got Sully, and the fact he used to be a marine was a coincidence, he got in because he shared dna with his scientist brother. And again, Cameron said millionth time its a security team comprised of mercenaries. All the tie ins state so as well, and in the movie Sully mentions its not military but hired guns as soon as he exits the shuttle. They look neat and clean and act like military operations because theyre under Quaritch who used to be in military, plus their security team for gigantic and rich corporation, they have to look and act neat. By meaning act, I mean performing military like operations with same precisions, not actual behavior, which actually gives them away for who they are when theyre always happy to "get some" and go shoot someone, or make remarks about handicapped or scientists or anybody who doesnt carry a gun and doesnt want to go shoot someone
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
^I get you. That makes sense, and I'm sure Cameron elaborated on it after the big stink from everyone about how the 'marines' were portrayed.
He should've made them more mercenary-like, but that would've partially spoiled his anti-military angle. ;) I see what he did there, clever bastard.
He went from capitalist to naturalist in just 20 years... that's something.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wearysloth.com%2FGallery%2FActorsG%2F6683-22252.gif&hash=8b50a7338d8cf527fade3dc96e253b1e89ddb9c6)
He should've made them more mercenary-like, but that would've partially spoiled his anti-military angle. ;) I see what he did there, clever bastard.
He went from capitalist to naturalist in just 20 years... that's something.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wearysloth.com%2FGallery%2FActorsG%2F6683-22252.gif&hash=8b50a7338d8cf527fade3dc96e253b1e89ddb9c6)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 20, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
They ARE mercenaries in the movie, and people look into it as a kind of metaphor for US military, but there might be some conscious subtext, cause...see the resemblence?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa388%2FValaquen%2FScreenshot-YouTube-Avatar-NotInKansasAnymoreClipHD-MozillaFirefox.png&hash=725c170d15b210907f0f4d9bc98524a5c5574f89)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crwflags.com%2Ffotw%2Fimages%2Fu%2Fus.gif&hash=aa50fd86f7a38f4aa58b6aabe2735b06154cee01)
And noticed the shape of the Hell gate compound= hellsgate security patches?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9Ul0xpCgJE0%2FS1Rgrr_c7hI%2FAAAAAAAAMWw%2Fdpd1M748Sv0%2Fs1600%2FMichelleRodriguezasTrudiChacon.JPG&hash=fa3609b6dbcd7375dbed8cc0c88d2f7ffe77c977)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.abovetopsecret.com%2Fimages%2Fats%2Fpentagon757%2Fpentagon-757.jpg&hash=7ccfffbe4b6ca1f9feb009ae2c68e77cda4708e7)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa388%2FValaquen%2FScreenshot-YouTube-Avatar-NotInKansasAnymoreClipHD-MozillaFirefox.png&hash=725c170d15b210907f0f4d9bc98524a5c5574f89)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crwflags.com%2Ffotw%2Fimages%2Fu%2Fus.gif&hash=aa50fd86f7a38f4aa58b6aabe2735b06154cee01)
And noticed the shape of the Hell gate compound= hellsgate security patches?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9Ul0xpCgJE0%2FS1Rgrr_c7hI%2FAAAAAAAAMWw%2Fdpd1M748Sv0%2Fs1600%2FMichelleRodriguezasTrudiChacon.JPG&hash=fa3609b6dbcd7375dbed8cc0c88d2f7ffe77c977)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.abovetopsecret.com%2Fimages%2Fats%2Fpentagon757%2Fpentagon-757.jpg&hash=7ccfffbe4b6ca1f9feb009ae2c68e77cda4708e7)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 07:07:57 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 07:07:57 PM
Holy shit look at that window. Good find, Shape! :laugh:
Gaww comeon Cameron. That's just ::) ::) ::)
Gaww comeon Cameron. That's just ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 21, 2012, 12:24:15 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 21, 2012, 12:24:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 20, 2012, 03:27:10 AMI'll stick up for Cameron to a point, but post T2 ... the storytelling did more than slip. He still connects with an audience, couldn't deny that, but he hasn't pleased me with a script since the second Terminator ... Still, he's done more than us talentless losers :P
"was a master" being the operative phrase...
Quote from: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 05:14:32 PMOh, he's still a capitalist :D
He went from capitalist to naturalist in just 20 years... that's something.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2012, 12:43:26 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2012, 12:43:26 AM
He's done a shitload more than talented losers and all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 21, 2012, 03:42:44 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Sep 21, 2012, 03:42:44 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Sep 20, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
^I get you. That makes sense, and I'm sure Cameron elaborated on it after the big stink from everyone about how the 'marines' were portrayed.
He should've made them more mercenary-like, but that would've partially spoiled his anti-military angle. ;) I see what he did there, clever bastard.
He went from capitalist to naturalist in just 20 years... that's something.
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsG/6683-22252.gif
Make them more mercenary-like?
What do you think PMCs look like?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
I think he means grungy, more rugged.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Keg on Sep 21, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Post by: Keg on Sep 21, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
I thought they were Marines I must admit, and Ive seen the film 4 or 5 times. Never actually registered while watching any comment in the films about them being mercenaries or a PMC.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
"Private security force"; makes them PMCs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 01:05:50 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 01:05:50 PM
He's f**king nuts: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/08/james-cameron-avatar-sequels (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/08/james-cameron-avatar-sequels)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 08, 2013, 04:16:46 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 08, 2013, 04:16:46 PM
Its like he sits in bed at night and thinks up weird shit he can do for his next film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Sorry, how does that make him nuts?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cal427eb on Apr 08, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Apr 08, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2013, 05:17:33 PMcuz... water... and stuff
Sorry, how does that make him nuts?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 06:48:02 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Sorry, how does that make him nuts?
I meant nuts in a good way. Because motherf**king underwater mo-cap.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Exactly my point. And the same applies to Lucas, especially back in the 80s.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 09:43:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 09:43:47 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:38:05 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Exactly my point. And the same applies to Lucas, especially back in the 80s.
I'd say it applies to Lucas just as much now as it did in the 80s. What he did for models and miniatures then he did for CGI now. Granted, I do understand the argument that he was a bit over reliant with it in the prequels, but his tinkering and experimenting with the tools at his disposal unlocked a lot of spectacular uses.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
I was talking (mainly) about THX, ILM, etc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 04:09:17 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 04:09:17 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Visually yes but the film falls flat as far as storytelling goes. He needs to bring a solid story alongside his pretty visuals.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: First Blood on Apr 09, 2013, 04:13:54 AM
Post by: First Blood on Apr 09, 2013, 04:13:54 AM
The story was a mess. And the movie is nothing more than a self indulgent wank fest so Cameron can get off on his effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Apr 09, 2013, 04:14:38 AM
Post by: Aspie on Apr 09, 2013, 04:14:38 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 04:09:17 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Visually yes but the film falls flat as far as storytelling goes. He needs to bring a solid story alongside his pretty visuals.
Was it a new or visionary accomplishment for a storyline? No.
Was it a creative retelling of an old one? Yes. :P
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 09, 2013, 04:13:54 AM
The story was a mess. And the movie is nothing more than a self indulgent wank fest so Cameron can get off on his effects.
ಠ_ಠ
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 09, 2013, 04:50:55 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 09, 2013, 04:50:55 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 09, 2013, 04:13:54 AM
The story was a mess. And the movie is nothing more than a self indulgent wank fest so Cameron can get off on his effects.
Couldn't agree more.
Enjoyed the film a fair bit when I first saw it, for the sheer spectacle of it all.
Watched it a second time a few months later. All I could think was that it was pretty bad.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Apr 09, 2013, 04:59:36 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 09, 2013, 04:59:36 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 09:43:47 PMQuote from: scarhunter92 on Apr 08, 2013, 09:38:05 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Say what you will about Avatar (I liked the first for what it was), but Cameron is accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff not just for his films, but for the film industry as a whole.
Exactly my point. And the same applies to Lucas, especially back in the 80s.
I'd say it applies to Lucas just as much now as it did in the 80s. What he did for models and miniatures then he did for CGI now. Granted, I do understand the argument that he was a bit over reliant with it in the prequels, but his tinkering and experimenting with the tools at his disposal unlocked a lot of spectacular uses.
Everything ILM were doing in the prequels in terms of visual effects lead to Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 05:50:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 05:50:30 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Apr 09, 2013, 04:14:38 AM
Was it a creative retelling of an old one? Yes. :P
No, it wasn't. It didn't do anything creative in the least.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 09, 2013, 05:53:15 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Apr 09, 2013, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2013, 05:50:30 AMQuote from: Aspie on Apr 09, 2013, 04:14:38 AM
Was it a creative retelling of an old one? Yes. :P
No, it wasn't. It didn't do anything creative in the least.
GIANT ROBOT
GIANT ROBOT GUD
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 09, 2013, 07:27:46 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 09, 2013, 07:27:46 AM
WE HAVE A GIANT ROBOOOOOT
I LIKE GIANT ROBOOOOOOT
I LIKE GIANT ROBOOOOOOT
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 09, 2013, 07:29:16 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Apr 09, 2013, 07:29:16 AM
WE HAVE A CRESTED PANTHER CROCODILE
I LIKE CRESTED PANTHER CROCODILE
I LIKE CRESTED PANTHER CROCODILE
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Blacklabel on Apr 09, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
Post by: Blacklabel on Apr 09, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
6 legged, giant panthers ftw. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 10, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 10, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 09, 2013, 04:59:36 AMEverything ILM were doing in the prequels in terms of visual effects lead to Avatar.
I think credit goes to Lord of the Rings/King Kong.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 10, 2013, 08:38:25 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Apr 10, 2013, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Apr 10, 2013, 12:24:49 AMQuote from: SM on Apr 09, 2013, 04:59:36 AMEverything ILM were doing in the prequels in terms of visual effects lead to Avatar.
I think credit goes to Lord of the Rings/King Kong.
If we were talking about mo-cap tech exclusively.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 25, 2013, 04:22:46 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 25, 2013, 04:22:46 AM
Quote'Avatar 2′ Test Footage Screened at Siggraph
http://www.slashfilm.com/avatar-2-test-footage-screened-at-siggraph/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/avatar-2-test-footage-screened-at-siggraph/)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2013, 05:08:25 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2013, 05:08:25 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Apr 10, 2013, 12:24:49 AMQuote from: SM on Apr 09, 2013, 04:59:36 AMEverything ILM were doing in the prequels in terms of visual effects lead to Avatar.
I think credit goes to Lord of the Rings/King Kong.
The development of the prequels pre-dates LOTR and King Kong. Not that LOTR and King Kong aren't top shelf stuff.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 31, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Jul 31, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Josh Friedman hired to work on the script for Avatar 2: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=84612 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=84612)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Jul 31, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
Post by: Aspie on Jul 31, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
Taking their sweet time with this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jul 31, 2013, 10:04:16 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jul 31, 2013, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jul 31, 2013, 09:22:56 PMCool; it's interesting that James isn't tackling this one alone.
Josh Friedman hired to work on the script for Avatar 2: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=84612 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=84612)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 07:29:55 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 07:29:55 PM
More screenwriters. THREE sequels to be shot back-to-back: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 01, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 01, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 07:29:55 PM
More screenwriters. THREE sequels to be shot back-to-back: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281)
Interesting. I still think that the first one worked fine as a standalone project, but hey-- Cameron's enthusiastic about the franchise's future, and it won't hurt to give the followups a try.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 01, 2013, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 01, 2013, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 07:29:55 PM
More screenwriters. THREE sequels to be shot back-to-back: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281)
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HIS NAME IS JAAAAMES... JAMES CAMERON! THE BRAVEST PIONEER....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGix_842uI4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGix_842uI4#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 01, 2013, 07:41:13 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 01, 2013, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 07:29:55 PMmfw
More screenwriters. THREE sequels to be shot back-to-back: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=107281)
QuoteShane Salerno
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdylanspicer.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2Faliens-vs-predator-requiem.jpg&hash=f7fb308183017b885789afb775c20ff7236cab3b)
I hope that one bites you in the ass, James. :laugh: I really do. Cameron and Salerno in the same room together... somebody make a hilarious joke, I'm too baffled to think. This Hollywood bro-scene f**king garbage has got to go.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 01, 2013, 07:42:30 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 01, 2013, 07:42:30 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 01, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Aug 01, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Shane Salerno?
he'll get fired soon.
maybe Cameron doesnt know that he wrote AVP:R.....
lol
he'll get fired soon.
maybe Cameron doesnt know that he wrote AVP:R.....
lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 01, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
>implying he hasn't hired all of them to work under his instructions and general guidelines while he cooks up battle angel's script in order to have it ready to shoot right after post-prod. of these ends
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Post by: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Screw Battle Angel.
Gimme more Avatar.
Gimme more Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Aug 01, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Post by: King Rathalos on Aug 01, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Screw Battle Angel.
Gimme more Avatar.
Fool, you know not what you speak. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Aug 01, 2013, 10:00:12 PM
Post by: Vertigo on Aug 01, 2013, 10:00:12 PM
Personally I'd prefer to screw Dark Angel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 02, 2013, 05:12:27 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 02, 2013, 05:12:27 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 01, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Screw Battle Angel.
Gimme more Avatar.
You call Pacific Rim a shallow waste that relies on its visual sfx to make an impression as a movie...........and you like Avatar?
You fail at life Aspie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Aug 02, 2013, 07:28:46 AM
Post by: Vepariga on Aug 02, 2013, 07:28:46 AM
More Avatar makes me happy,Loved that movie. I care not that its a vehicle for environmental messages.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: blood. on Aug 02, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: blood. on Aug 02, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
I want human merc avatars
that turn rogue and start doing whatever the **** they want. Make them "evil". Turn on their own employers at the opportunity to take the paradise planet for themselves, try to enslave the navi etc...
that turn rogue and start doing whatever the **** they want. Make them "evil". Turn on their own employers at the opportunity to take the paradise planet for themselves, try to enslave the navi etc...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
James Cameron has a good eye for story. As much as people complain about Avatar's plot, it had perfect structure. Salerno isn't so good at that, and I can't imagine a scenario where Cameron doesn't take command at a crucial stage of the writing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 02:46:09 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 02:46:09 PM
What I want to know is how the hell Salerno landed a gig for Avatar. Sure the story is totally uninspired but even Salerno's skills aren't up to a par with Cameron's (or lack thereof).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 03:01:37 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 02:46:09 PMSure the story is totally uninspired
We don't know the story for these sequels yet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
Given Cameron's track record as of late, I have no reason to think these will be any better than Avatar's.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
At least people won't be able to keep using the shitty Pocahontas argument.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 02, 2013, 04:41:44 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 02, 2013, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
At least people won't be able to keep using the shitty Pocahontas argument.
Shitty? That argument was spot-on!
But I say, Avatar seemed like it was meant to be a visual spectacle. I can't defend Pacific Rim on all fronts with the weaknesses it has and then attack Avatar on the same grounds.
It's just that Cameron is one of the greatest director's of my time. He's held to about the highest standard I hold filmmakers to, and Avatar definitely dealt a blow to his writing/creative strengths. Cameron used to be the complete package, like a creative and well-written story, amazing effects, and powerful performances from his characters. Avatar almost made me feel like he was getting a little Lucas, just lost in the technology while story and genuine interesting narrative fall a little by the wayside.
Anyway I really wonder where they'll go with this. Kind of tricky finding a good point to continue from, unless you toss out the Na'vi and focus on the avatar tech maybe?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
I still maintain that it's not a bad story. It's a good story that's been told many times before.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Aug 02, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
Post by: Magegg on Aug 02, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PMI still maintain that it's not a bad story. It's a good story that's been told many times before.For the today times, when there's a shitload of ONGs protesting and putting pressure against intervention in underdeveloped countries, it is a bad story.
And in the future, it will be even more.
In a world post-Wiki Leaks, Avatar is a story from the stone ages; I was so pissed off Cameron didn't take an advantage to include more contemporary themes in this classic fable. It felt too silly and a straightforward clone script from other movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 06:34:24 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Aug 02, 2013, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
I still maintain that it's not a bad story. It's a good story that's been told many times before.
Pretty much this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
I still maintain that it's not a bad story. It's a good story that's been told many times before.
It wasn't bad, it was just uninspired which is perhaps worse. Ripping off a good story and dazzling it up with shiny special effects IMO, is less commendable than at least attempting to tell a new story but failing in the end.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 07:21:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 07:21:32 PM
If the sequels are able to expand the story in interesting ways (which I have blind faith in at the moment), that I will be able to forgive the by-the-numbers approach that the first film took and consider the film to just be an exceptional piece of world-building that eventually segues into more unique elements.
I think I'm gonna watch the first one again sometime soon. It's been a long time, and unoriginality aside I quite liked it.
I think I'm gonna watch the first one again sometime soon. It's been a long time, and unoriginality aside I quite liked it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 02, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 02, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
I agree with Doom ^ it was a first for Cameron to really go with a generic tale. This is coming from the man who gave us Aliens, The Abyss, the freaking Terminator, all very high standards for excellent, and creative, filmmaking.
It was just odd to see the ultimate project from him come out with a story so predictable and, frankly, stupid in the world it's set in. I felt like it shouldve been Camerons coup de grace.
The sequels have to get a little more creative. I'm sure with that genius Salerno on board, a writer that Cameron admires, it will be just incredible.
It was just odd to see the ultimate project from him come out with a story so predictable and, frankly, stupid in the world it's set in. I felt like it shouldve been Camerons coup de grace.
The sequels have to get a little more creative. I'm sure with that genius Salerno on board, a writer that Cameron admires, it will be just incredible.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
Well, Aliens is pretty uninspired too despite being a fun movie. It's pretty much the exact same plot as Alien, only with multiple Aliens and more action. Also, I'm one of the people who believes Cameron ruined the Alien by turning it into a generic space bug.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
I feel like what Cameron did with the Alien felt like a natural progression for the creature and was extremely respectful of what came before it. It was the endless string of comics and video games trying to recreate the 'Ooh-rah Marines!' atmosphere (that in the film disappeared the moment the marines met the Aliens) that turned the Alien into a generic space bug.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Aug 02, 2013, 08:35:34 PM
Post by: Magegg on Aug 02, 2013, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Aug 02, 2013, 07:26:57 PMI agree with Doom ^ it was a first for Cameron to really go with a generic tale. This is coming from the man who gave us Aliens, The Abyss, the freaking Terminator, all very high standards for excellent, and creative, filmmaking.A good writer can become worse during its life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
I feel like what Cameron did with the Alien felt like a natural progression for the creature and was extremely respectful of what came before it. It was the endless string of comics and video games trying to recreate the 'Ooh-rah Marines!' atmosphere (that in the film disappeared the moment the marines met the Aliens) that turned the Alien into a generic space bug.
How was it 'extremely respectful'? In the first film, it was a creature the likes of which had never been seen before and behaved in a truly "alien" way because its behaviour was unpredictable at every step. In Aliens, it was just doing a whole lot of screaming and being shot at.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Eva on Aug 02, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Post by: Eva on Aug 02, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 02, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
I still maintain that it's not a bad story. It's a good story that's been told many times before.
I don't think I've seen a better 'version' of the story outline, than what Kevin Costner did with Dances With Wolves. Too add, that cinematography, that John Barry score and the native actors speaking in an authentic native language. Just beautiful.
As to the Avatar sequels, I read up on the writers Cameron has hired to pen the films and I'm not impressed, based on their previous efforts... Frankly, I wish Cameron would do something else - perhaps that dive film he's been talking about for a decade or two, or Battleangel Alita...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 02, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 02, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
I like Cameron. I don't mind the Aliens/Marines combination in the second film. Eventually if hostiles keep picking off innocent civilians they are going to get an armed response. Its just a natural progression. The TC is a MUCH SUPERIOR cut of the film though. No sitting around preparing defenses with autocannons to kill the tension.
And I do agree that the comics and games took the autocannons thing and went apeshit with them. Despite the fact that humans have rushed emplaced gun positions since entrenched fighting positions have existed, the writers of the comics and games seemed to use that scene as an excuse to make them more and more buglike. I think they misrepresent that scene. IMO it always struck me as they bottlenecked themselves in an enclosed space that they used to have free run of, and found sentry gun emplacements. Couldn't really do anything but assault through.
I just found that Avatar was pretty dry and uninspired. That said, I have warmed up to it slightly and think the opposite of its EE than I do Aliens SE. The EE for Avatar is a superior film with some much needed characterization and a Ridley Scott earth.
And I do agree that the comics and games took the autocannons thing and went apeshit with them. Despite the fact that humans have rushed emplaced gun positions since entrenched fighting positions have existed, the writers of the comics and games seemed to use that scene as an excuse to make them more and more buglike. I think they misrepresent that scene. IMO it always struck me as they bottlenecked themselves in an enclosed space that they used to have free run of, and found sentry gun emplacements. Couldn't really do anything but assault through.
I just found that Avatar was pretty dry and uninspired. That said, I have warmed up to it slightly and think the opposite of its EE than I do Aliens SE. The EE for Avatar is a superior film with some much needed characterization and a Ridley Scott earth.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 11:20:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 02, 2013, 09:05:24 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
I feel like what Cameron did with the Alien felt like a natural progression for the creature and was extremely respectful of what came before it. It was the endless string of comics and video games trying to recreate the 'Ooh-rah Marines!' atmosphere (that in the film disappeared the moment the marines met the Aliens) that turned the Alien into a generic space bug.
How was it 'extremely respectful'? In the first film, it was a creature the likes of which had never been seen before and behaved in a truly "alien" way because its behaviour was unpredictable at every step. In Aliens, it was just doing a whole lot of screaming and being shot at.
Because like in Alien, the Aliens in Aliens were also unpredictable and 'alien' in their nature. Yes, we definitely saw quite a few of them being shot and killed, but even more we saw them completely taking the marines by surprise, attacking in ways that the soldiers never expected or even thought to be possible ("They're coming outta the walls!!!", "What do you mean they cut the power? How could they cut the power, man? They're animals!", etc.). Because we saw more of them die in this film than in Alien a lot of these moments were the marines are completely terrified and dying by the handful seem to be forgotten in the long run, especially by the creators of most of the Aliens/AVP comics and games and other spinoff media who seem to only remember the screaming and truly turned them into dumb bugs.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 03, 2013, 05:25:29 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 03, 2013, 05:25:29 AM
They weren't unpredictable in the least. When they realized that charging blindly en masse into the turret guns wasn't working, only then did they realize the ceiling was a good place to move around in. Aside from the power cutting scene, they didn't show much in the way of intelligence.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 04, 2013, 11:58:17 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 04, 2013, 11:58:17 PM
I'd be far more excited about this if they were working on a single sequel rather than f**king 3.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2013, 11:11:08 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2013, 11:11:08 AM
Why, what's the difference?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 05, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Aug 05, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
3 things shot back to back. Means 3 scripts written in the same period of time. No concrete indication of anything, but it's concerning.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 05, 2013, 02:10:35 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 05, 2013, 02:10:35 PM
Or it could go the other way, meaning that the three scripts play off of one another and contribute to an overall story in a meaningful way rather than just having sequels tacked on.
Only time (and time and even more time, it seems) will tell for sure.
Only time (and time and even more time, it seems) will tell for sure.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 05, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
Post by: Alienseseses on Aug 05, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
I sure hope Cameron knows what he's doing. Usually he does, and all the things he makes that look like they'll flop end up doing exceedingly well with critics and the box office.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Sep 17, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Post by: ace3g on Sep 17, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Guess who the villain might be
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Sep 17, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
Post by: Aspie on Sep 17, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 17, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Guess who the villain might be
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DEAR GAWD NO
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Sep 17, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Post by: Vertigo on Sep 17, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
I think Cameron just fell in love with the way he pronounces Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Scree on Sep 17, 2013, 02:23:32 PM
Post by: Scree on Sep 17, 2013, 02:23:32 PM
Best Avatar related news, ever. Now I'm a lot more interested in the sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 17, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 17, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 17, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Guess who the villain might be
http://latino-review.com/2013/09/exclusive-guess-who-is-gonna-play-the-bad-guy-in-avatar-2/?utm_source=Latino-Review.com+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=5d9037dae0-abadah9_16_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a2b0744aae-5d9037dae0-21744341 (http://latino-review.com/2013/09/exclusive-guess-who-is-gonna-play-the-bad-guy-in-avatar-2/?utm_source=Latino-Review.com+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=5d9037dae0-abadah9_16_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a2b0744aae-5d9037dae0-21744341)
Been calling it for a couple of years now. It seemed f**king obvious to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 17, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 17, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
Will he be a cyborg though?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 17, 2013, 11:50:13 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 17, 2013, 11:50:13 PM
Bring in the Biehn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 17, 2013, 11:54:20 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 17, 2013, 11:54:20 PM
Could have had him the first time around if Cameron didn't think we'd all assume the movie was Aliens 2 :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 18, 2013, 12:29:09 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 18, 2013, 12:29:09 AM
I'd really love to see Henriksen...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 12:35:34 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 17, 2013, 11:50:13 PM
Bring in the Biehn.
That would be awesome.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 18, 2013, 12:38:50 AM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Sep 18, 2013, 12:38:50 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 17, 2013, 11:50:13 PM
Bring in the Biehn.
unf
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Sep 18, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
Post by: Aspie on Sep 18, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
Arnold S. ruins all things people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 18, 2013, 02:09:34 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 18, 2013, 02:09:34 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 18, 2013, 12:29:09 AMThis.
I'd really love to see Henriksen...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Aspie on Sep 18, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
Post by: Aspie on Sep 18, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
Henriksen would be a great choice.
...what's wrong with having some of the cast from Aliens anyways ???
...what's wrong with having some of the cast from Aliens anyways ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AM
Quote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
And that reason was stupid. One other cast member isn't exactly a reunion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 18, 2013, 02:32:32 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 18, 2013, 02:32:32 AM
Psycho (the '98 one) was a The Lost World cast reunion, didn't you know that?
And the Doctor Who episode Vincent and the Doctor was also an Underworld: Evolution cast reunion.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:44:44 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:44:44 AM
QuoteAnd that reason was stupid.
And I disagree.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2013, 03:50:36 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2013, 03:50:36 AM
Aliens already had a reunion with Near Dark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:11:15 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:11:15 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AMQuote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
And that reason was stupid. One other cast member isn't exactly a reunion.
Yea, like, you would have to have a lot more of the Aliens cast for it to be a reunion I'd think.
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing how Arnold pulls of being the general. Don't bite my heads off but I like the nasty humans more. The Na'vi are cool and all but humans are more cool.
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"Hello cutie pie, one of us is in big trouble"
"Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen than to hell with you!"
"If it bleeds we can kill it"
"Sure, here's my invitation"
"F**k you asshole"
"You're one ugly mother**ker"
"I'm the party pooper"
"No sequel for you"
"HA HA HA HA HA"
"PUT THAT COOKIE DOWN! NOW!"
"Listen to me very carefully"
"Hello cutie pie, one of us is in big trouble"
"Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen than to hell with you!"
"If it bleeds we can kill it"
"Sure, here's my invitation"
"F**k you asshole"
"You're one ugly mother**ker"
"I'm the party pooper"
"No sequel for you"
"HA HA HA HA HA"
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 04:29:19 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 04:29:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:11:15 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AMQuote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
And that reason was stupid. One other cast member isn't exactly a reunion.
Yea, like, you would a lot more of the Aliens cast for it to be a reunion I'd think.
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing how Arnold pulls of being the general. Don't bite my heads off but I like the nasty humans more. The Na'vi are cool and all but humans are more cool.
*Need.
Quote from: SM on Sep 18, 2013, 03:50:36 AM
Aliens already had a reunion with Near Dark.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
Quote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 04:29:19 AMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:11:15 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AMQuote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
And that reason was stupid. One other cast member isn't exactly a reunion.
Yea, like, you would a lot more of the Aliens cast for it to be a reunion I'd think.
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing how Arnold pulls of being the general. Don't bite my heads off but I like the nasty humans more. The Na'vi are cool and all but humans are more cool.
*Need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-HDUBbtgQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-HDUBbtgQ#ws)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 04:37:37 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-HDUBbtgQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-HDUBbtgQ#ws)
Nope.
QuoteYeah, like, you would need a lot more of the Aliens cast for it to be a reunion I'd think.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 18, 2013, 05:34:46 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 18, 2013, 05:34:46 AM
Damn it DC, stop with trying to bait people into argument as silly as an Aliens reunion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 06:06:40 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 06:06:40 AM
How is quoting a post by SM baiting? If anything I was trying my hardest to avoid an argument by quoting said user.
I'll stop with the grammar Nazism however, I can see how that could be interpreted as baiting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 18, 2013, 06:14:42 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 18, 2013, 06:14:42 AM
Not only that, but you yourself even wrote "quote from incorrect" and "quote from correct" on top of those two quotes. That itself is f**king worse than doing grammar nazi shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Invader on Sep 18, 2013, 07:01:30 AM
Post by: Space Invader on Sep 18, 2013, 07:01:30 AM
Arnie as a bad guy? Now I'm even more excited for the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 07:43:39 AM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 07:43:39 AM
Quote from: Super Predator on Sep 18, 2013, 07:01:30 AMHell yeah this is gonna be bad-ass.
Arnie as a bad guy? Now I'm even more excited for the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: Aspie on Sep 18, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
Henriksen would be a great choice.
...what's wrong with having some of the cast from Aliens anyways ???
Well, I guess if Cameron is going to inevitably rip something off, he might as well rely on his own material.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 18, 2013, 06:14:42 AM
Not only that, but you yourself even wrote "quote from incorrect" and "quote from correct" on top of those two quotes. That itself is f**king worse than doing grammar nazi shit.
It's totally bait, like "correcting" yea to yeah. When I say yea I mean yea.
So yea.
And "have to have" is just as good as "need".
So yea.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
^ And this post isn't? You're derailing the topic, we've moved on and have been on topic for 3 posts now, until you showed up. I was actually trying to prevent this kind of b.s. from happening by deflecting your bait posts. Like the following, which is actually what started all of this to begin with, a post by you.
This:
I post a fact, and everyone responds to it with dismissive flame, as if it were my own reasons (which even though they weren't, you try to treat as if it was, and arrogantly attempt to assert yourself as somehow being a higher authority on Avatar than James Cameron himself, which although I've been holding back now, taking into consideration current circumstances, I will go ahead and say annoys the piss out of me, never have I seen a member on a forum so arrogant, self-absorbed, narrow-minded and short-sighted as you). So, from here on out if I see anything with your name titled above it on this forum according to me it's automatically spam and means nothing other than to intimidate.
Oh, and I totally didn't see you coming up and selfishly, and uncharitably, flinging a desperately thrown together post using a quote from Shadow Pred as ammunition. As if you actually care what he has to say, considering the fact you're doing the exact thing he told me not to.
This:
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 18, 2013, 04:11:15 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 18, 2013, 02:29:24 AMQuote from: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
The reason Cameron didn't hire Biehn in the first place is because he said he didn't want it to seem like an Aliens reunion film.
And that reason was stupid. One other cast member isn't exactly a reunion.
Yea, like, you would have to have a lot more of the Aliens cast for it to be a reunion I'd think.
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing how Arnold pulls of being the general. Don't bite my heads off but I like the nasty humans more. The Na'vi are cool and all but humans are more cool.
[/spoiler]
I post a fact, and everyone responds to it with dismissive flame, as if it were my own reasons (which even though they weren't, you try to treat as if it was, and arrogantly attempt to assert yourself as somehow being a higher authority on Avatar than James Cameron himself, which although I've been holding back now, taking into consideration current circumstances, I will go ahead and say annoys the piss out of me, never have I seen a member on a forum so arrogant, self-absorbed, narrow-minded and short-sighted as you). So, from here on out if I see anything with your name titled above it on this forum according to me it's automatically spam and means nothing other than to intimidate.
Oh, and I totally didn't see you coming up and selfishly, and uncharitably, flinging a desperately thrown together post using a quote from Shadow Pred as ammunition. As if you actually care what he has to say, considering the fact you're doing the exact thing he told me not to.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
Guys, just let it go. Please and thank you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:58:46 PM
Post by: DC on Sep 18, 2013, 03:58:46 PM
Done on my end, NOW to go back on to the topic at hand . . .
I would prefer it if he didn't rip anything off, especially Aliens I mean hasn't that been ripped off enough? Starship Troopers, Halo, Battle LA, the list goes on . . .
QuoteWell, I guess if Cameron is going to inevitably rip something off, he might as well rely on his own material.
I would prefer it if he didn't rip anything off, especially Aliens I mean hasn't that been ripped off enough? Starship Troopers, Halo, Battle LA, the list goes on . . .
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 22, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 22, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
Spoiler
'Avatar' Villain Stephen Lang to Reprise Role in James Cameron's Three Sequels
http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/ (http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/)
http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/ (http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 22, 2013, 06:08:03 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 22, 2013, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 22, 2013, 06:05:10 PMHe was the best thing about the first movie.Spoiler
'Avatar' Villain Stephen Lang to Reprise Role in James Cameron's Three Sequels
http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/ (http://www.thewrap.com/avatar-villain-stephen-lang-reprise-role-james-camerons-three-sequels/)[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 22, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 22, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
He was a super macho over the top eighties badguy in Avatar but by god he played the role perfectly.
It'll be interesting to see how he comes back though, since he kind of died with poisoned arrows through the chest exposed to an alien atmosphere that was toxic to him.
I'm guessing he will be terminator'd up.
It'll be interesting to see how he comes back though, since he kind of died with poisoned arrows through the chest exposed to an alien atmosphere that was toxic to him.
I'm guessing he will be terminator'd up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 22, 2013, 07:58:30 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 22, 2013, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 22, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
I'm guessing he will be terminator'd up.
Maybe he's a Na'vi-Human hybrid.
Wait...that's an Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Post by: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Getting tired of filmmakers/studios reviving dead characters just for the sake of whatever reason they come up with.... Yeah, looking at you guys as well, Marvel...
Oh well, not really that excited about more Avatar movies anyway...
Oh well, not really that excited about more Avatar movies anyway...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Eva... forget Avatar... Shadowpred is showing MANBORG in his livestream this week. :laugh:
now THAT's worth a watch. :D
now THAT's worth a watch. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:27:08 PM
Post by: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Eva... forget Avatar... Shadowpred is showing MANBORG in his livestream this week. :laugh:
now THAT's worth a watch. :D
I'll certainly take it over anything that says 'directed by Michael Bay', judging by the trailer in SPs thread. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 22, 2013, 09:20:40 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Oct 22, 2013, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 22, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
He was a super macho over the top eighties badguy in Avatar but by god he played the role perfectly.
It'll be interesting to see how he comes back though, since he kind of died with poisoned arrows through the chest exposed to an alien atmosphere that was toxic to him.
I'm guessing he will be terminator'd up.
Pretty much this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Space Sweeper on Oct 23, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Oct 23, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 22, 2013, 06:20:03 PMOh god, I hope so. What ever it is, I'm sure it'll be super 80's-eske... and that's cool with me, so long as Jimmy C thinks it'll be cool.
He was a super macho over the top eighties badguy in Avatar but by god he played the role perfectly.
It'll be interesting to see how he comes back though, since he kind of died with poisoned arrows through the chest exposed to an alien atmosphere that was toxic to him.
I'm guessing he will be terminator'd up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Oct 23, 2013, 12:46:37 AM
Post by: predxeno on Oct 23, 2013, 12:46:37 AM
IMO, Quaritch's character seemed more interesting than Jake Sully's who admittedly was a bit of an idiot. :(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 23, 2013, 03:39:39 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 23, 2013, 03:39:39 AM
I have the extended edition of Avatar on blu ray and its amazing to me how much of the movie was cut. I won't say that any of the character stuff is particularly deep or meaningful, but it does help make them more interesting.
Of course the anti war the reason America went to war with Iraq was for Oil message is even more blatant in the EE.
Of course the anti war the reason America went to war with Iraq was for Oil message is even more blatant in the EE.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 23, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 23, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 23, 2013, 03:39:39 AM
I have the extended edition of Avatar on blu ray and its amazing to me how much of the movie was cut.
I think the extended cut PLUS the 40 minutes of deleted scenes that werent reinserted is a version so superior to the released version that I cant even watch the theatrical release anymore
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 23, 2013, 04:25:34 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 23, 2013, 04:25:34 AM
Yep I think I watched through all of the deleted scenes even with the partial special effects.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Oct 23, 2013, 05:57:37 AM
Post by: predxeno on Oct 23, 2013, 05:57:37 AM
I saw each of the cuts and ALL the deleted scenes as well, and I agree that the Extended Special Edition is a much superior version of the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ShadowPred on Oct 23, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Oct 23, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Eva... forget Avatar... Shadowpred is showing MANBORG in his livestream this week. :laugh:
now THAT's worth a watch. :D
Quote from: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:27:08 PMQuote from: Blacklabel on Oct 22, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Eva... forget Avatar... Shadowpred is showing MANBORG in his livestream this week. :laugh:
now THAT's worth a watch. :D
I'll certainly take it over anything that says 'directed by Michael Bay', judging by the trailer in SPs thread. :D
Friday is taking too damn long to get here.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 23, 2013, 11:47:30 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Oct 23, 2013, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Getting tired of filmmakers/studios reviving dead characters just for the sake of whatever reason they come up with.... Yeah, looking at you guys as well, Marvel...
Oh well, not really that excited about more Avatar movies anyway...
Considering Jimbo ripped off more than one story to make the first movie, reviving a dead character shouldn't surprise you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: Shasvre on Oct 23, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:18:42 PMGetting tired of filmmakers/studios reviving dead characters just for the sake of whatever reason they come up with.... Yeah, looking at you guys as well, Marvel...
It's happened ONCE. It's not like it's their trademark or something. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Oct 23, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Post by: Master on Oct 23, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 23, 2013, 11:47:30 AMQuote from: Eva on Oct 22, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Getting tired of filmmakers/studios reviving dead characters just for the sake of whatever reason they come up with.... Yeah, looking at you guys as well, Marvel...
Oh well, not really that excited about more Avatar movies anyway...
Considering Jimbo ripped off more than one story to make the first movie, reviving a dead character shouldn't surprise you.
If that`s true they probably make Avatar Quaritch with his mind transfered.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
New movies are officially going back to New Zealand to film the live action parts.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11173287 (http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11173287)
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11173287 (http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11173287)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 06:07:36 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 06:07:36 AM
It seems every fantasy/scifi movie is filmed in New Zealand. Something must be magical about that place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2013, 06:14:36 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2013, 06:14:36 AM
Tax breaks. Tax breaks everywhere.
Also a relatively weak currency.
Also a relatively weak currency.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 16, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 16, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Tax breaks for whom, the production studio?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 24, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 24, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/exclusive-source-update-on-avatar.html#.UwvUS4VN0Ut (http://marketsaw.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/exclusive-source-update-on-avatar.html#.UwvUS4VN0Ut)
hnngg
hnngg
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 12, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 12, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
James Cameron: Three 'Avatar' Sequel Scripts to Be 'Finished' Within Six Weeks
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-three-avatar-sequel-695628 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-three-avatar-sequel-695628)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-three-avatar-sequel-695628 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-three-avatar-sequel-695628)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
interesting, the stories might be more varied and offer something new since they have a collab team on it. I'm interested to see how it comes together. I liked Avatar,sure its Pocahontas in space,but I love Pocahontas so it was great to me lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 12, 2014, 11:32:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 12, 2014, 11:32:57 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat.
If anything, it seems to me like the first one was, in essence, just an introduction to what this world has to offer. There is a lot of potential in there, so hopefully we get the real meat and potatoes in the next three films.
If anything, it seems to me like the first one was, in essence, just an introduction to what this world has to offer. There is a lot of potential in there, so hopefully we get the real meat and potatoes in the next three films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:35:10 PM
Ah, the recipe for a good movie...lots and lots and lots of massive CGI battles everywhere with lots and lots and lots of bayplosions. Oh Mr Cameron how low have you sunk and sold out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:37:15 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:37:15 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:35:10 PM
Ah, the recipe for a good movie...lots and lots and lots of massive CGI battles everywhere with lots and lots and lots of bayplosions. Oh Mr Cameron how low have you sunk and sold out.
oh you some how seen the next 3 movies?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 12, 2014, 11:40:18 PM
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 12, 2014, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:37:15 PMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:35:10 PM
Ah, the recipe for a good movie...lots and lots and lots of massive CGI battles everywhere with lots and lots and lots of bayplosions. Oh Mr Cameron how low have you sunk and sold out.
oh you some how seen the next 3 movies?
Don't you know Veps? Hubbs has seen the future for all upcoming movies!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:43:58 PM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:43:58 PM
According to those links these films are gonna be BIG!!, work it out for yourself. First film was a joke that survived on the gimmick of 3D, so that hook can't be used again. All they got left is massive Star Wars-esque CGI battles which is nothing new. I think these films will go the way of The Matrix sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 12, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
:laugh:
yeah, a joke that made it one of the highest grossing movies of all time.
The next one is supposed to be set on a water planet or moon of Pandora, so it will have alot of underwater stuff and maybe some cool hyrdoboats or something. I dont mind massive battles but if its a trilogy the big battle wont be till the last one if there even is a big battle. The story could go completely different and have no major conflicts at all.
yeah, a joke that made it one of the highest grossing movies of all time.
The next one is supposed to be set on a water planet or moon of Pandora, so it will have alot of underwater stuff and maybe some cool hyrdoboats or something. I dont mind massive battles but if its a trilogy the big battle wont be till the last one if there even is a big battle. The story could go completely different and have no major conflicts at all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 12, 2014, 11:54:10 PM
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 12, 2014, 11:54:10 PM
Forget 3D just give me 4K 60fps like is rumored in that link Scarhunter posted. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
The highest grossing of all time mainly because of it's 3D gimmick which was brand new at the time you mean? Yeah sure, shame the actual film was total dross and completely ripped off another film.
A water planet you say, well that changes everything, haven't seen that before, I'm sure it will be a deep and poignant sci-fi epic.
A water planet you say, well that changes everything, haven't seen that before, I'm sure it will be a deep and poignant sci-fi epic.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:36 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
3D gimmick which was brand new at the time
Avatar came out in the 50s ???
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AM
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
completely ripped off another film.
Didn't stop people from seeing other movies that did the same, won't stop them from seeing these. :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
The highest grossing of all time mainly because of it's 3D gimmick which was brand new at the time you mean? Yeah sure, shame the actual film was total dross and completely ripped off another film.
A water planet you say, well that changes everything, haven't seen that before, I'm sure it will be a deep and poignant sci-fi epic.
:laugh:
yeah,the gimmick was the selling point. What blockbuster movies haven't taken from other films? none. thats right. Like NA said,look at it as a introduction,the story in the first film is well known yes,but its solid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:10:50 AM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
completely ripped off another film.
Didn't stop people from seeing other movies that did the same, won't stop them from seeing these. :P
Well of course, Cameron is gonna spend the kind of money it takes to run a small country making them, most kinda feel obliged to see what all the fuss is about. Oh and there's gonna be big CGI plosions too ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:10:50 AMQuote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
completely ripped off another film.
Didn't stop people from seeing other movies that did the same, won't stop them from seeing these. :P
Well of course, Cameron is gonna spend the kind of money it takes to run a small country making them, most kinda feel obliged to see what all the fuss is about. Oh and there's gonna be big CGI plosions too ;)
Because in a movie of this type the thing to worry the most about are the big explosions. ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:18:40 AM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:15:08 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:10:50 AMQuote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
completely ripped off another film.
Didn't stop people from seeing other movies that did the same, won't stop them from seeing these. :P
Well of course, Cameron is gonna spend the kind of money it takes to run a small country making them, most kinda feel obliged to see what all the fuss is about. Oh and there's gonna be big CGI plosions too ;)
Because in a movie of this type the thing to worry the most about are the big explosions. ::)
Dude the story is all about a war between the blue CGI aliens and their CGI creatures vs humans and their CGI machines of war that all look remarkably like machines from The Matrix and Aliens. CGI plosions is all you're gonna get in these sequels, oh and war.
Quote from: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:06:34 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
The highest grossing of all time mainly because of it's 3D gimmick which was brand new at the time you mean? Yeah sure, shame the actual film was total dross and completely ripped off another film.
A water planet you say, well that changes everything, haven't seen that before, I'm sure it will be a deep and poignant sci-fi epic.
:laugh:
yeah,the gimmick was the selling point. What blockbuster movies haven't taken from other films? none. thats right. Like NA said,look at it as a introduction,the story in the first film is well known yes,but its solid.
Yes the 3D was the selling point of the film. It was the first major film to be released in 3D for a long time, it kick started the recent 3D craze and brought 3D back from the dead. I'm sure the film still would have done well without the 3D (maybe not as massive) but the fact is the flashy 3D CGI was it's carrot on a stick, that's why many saw it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:38:50 AM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 13, 2014, 12:38:50 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:18:40 AMQuote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:15:08 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 13, 2014, 12:10:50 AMQuote from: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:01:44 AMQuote from: Hubbs on Apr 12, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
completely ripped off another film.
Didn't stop people from seeing other movies that did the same, won't stop them from seeing these. :P
Well of course, Cameron is gonna spend the kind of money it takes to run a small country making them, most kinda feel obliged to see what all the fuss is about. Oh and there's gonna be big CGI plosions too ;)
Because in a movie of this type the thing to worry the most about are the big explosions. ::)
Dude the story is all about a war between the blue CGI aliens and their CGI creatures vs humans and their CGI machines of war that all look remarkably like machines from The Matrix and Aliens. CGI plosions is all you're gonna get in these sequels, oh and war.
*looks at clone trooper avi*
reading James Camerons reddit today I found this abit interesting -
"-the plants on Pandora are a little bit more active than the ones on earth, and every once in a while they do grab people and mess 'em up. But you might have to learn how to stick your tongue out about 14 feet."
I dont remember attacking plants in the first movie? sounds cool though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Post by: King Rathalos on Apr 13, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
AUDREY II OR GTFO CAMERON
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Apr 13, 2014, 08:57:12 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Apr 13, 2014, 08:57:12 AM
So essentially it's going to be a quadrilogy?
I do geniunely hope they're good, didn't like the first all that much.
I do geniunely hope they're good, didn't like the first all that much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2014, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2014, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 13, 2014, 08:57:12 AM
So essentially it's going to be a quadrilogy?
I do geniunely hope they're good, didn't like the first all that much.
Considering they're building on the first film, I don't imagine you'll like these any more than the first. I doubt I will. Hell, I likely won't even watch them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 11:30:02 AM
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 11:30:02 AM
Avatar wrapped up quite nicely, I thought. It wasn't amazing but it was solid. I don't care to watch any sequels which are clearly just being put out there to ride on the success of Avatar.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Apr 14, 2014, 02:51:42 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Apr 14, 2014, 02:51:42 PM
I'd be fine if it was just left at one movie. Not that I've seen the sequels, but not everything needs a sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
For a studio, if it means making more money, they will.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 14, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 14, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
I'm excited by all this.
Avatar was an outstanding film.
I'm sure the sequels will be extremely fun.
Every film under the sun, that is green lit by a studio, is done so with the hope of the film making money.
Avatar was an outstanding film.
I'm sure the sequels will be extremely fun.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
For a studio, if it means making more money, they will.
Every film under the sun, that is green lit by a studio, is done so with the hope of the film making money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 05:03:32 PM
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 05:03:32 PM
Of course. But these sequels just seem very unnecessary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Cal427eb on Apr 14, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Post by: Cal427eb on Apr 14, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 05:03:32 PMYeah, but I don't care.
Of course. But these sequels just seem very unnecessary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 14, 2014, 05:12:50 PM
Post by: Requiem28 on Apr 14, 2014, 05:12:50 PM
I'm not at all interested in any sequels. The first was good, but it may be better to leave it at that. At least for a little bit longer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 14, 2014, 05:15:04 PM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 14, 2014, 05:15:04 PM
Time for a reboot isn't it?.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Apr 14, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
Post by: Magegg on Apr 14, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
The first movie was as generic as white bread in the storyline.
Avatar really needs the sequels in order to become an original product.
Avatar really needs the sequels in order to become an original product.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 14, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 14, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Cameron genuinely loves the world of avatat. So even without studios id think he would still make a sequel. I believe it was always ment to be a series.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 14, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 14, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 14, 2014, 05:12:50 PM
I'm not at all interested in any sequels. The first was good, but it may be better to leave it at that. At least for a little bit longer.
5 years since Avatar 1. Quite a decent amount of time has past.
Quote from: Magegg on Apr 14, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
Avatar really needs the sequels in order to become an original product.
Agreed 100%.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Post by: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Okay, awesome. Let's give all unoriginal films sequels then. :P
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Quote from: Cal427eb on Apr 14, 2014, 05:08:44 PMQuote from: Vickers on Apr 14, 2014, 05:03:32 PMYeah, but I don't care.
Of course. But these sequels just seem very unnecessary.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 14, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 14, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
Dont forget the Avatar themed area with rides and forests at Disney land getting built
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 14, 2014, 11:54:22 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 14, 2014, 11:54:22 PM
It was alright. Even if it wasn't original it has the potential to go in its own direction with future storytelling. Better than the parroted repeated shit remakes and umpteenth sequels we've been getting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 15, 2014, 05:19:34 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 15, 2014, 05:19:34 AM
I thought the main problem with Avatar was stretching such a simple story into three hours. The runtime alone has probably held me back from watching it more. I haven't even bothered with the extended edition. It's a problem with a lot of tent pole films recently - a 3+ hour long movie with a copy/paste plot doesn't make it feel important just bloated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 15, 2014, 10:13:26 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 15, 2014, 10:13:26 AM
I love the extended edition.
Its well worth checking out for some extra detailing of the universe it's set in.
Just set aside an afternoon to watch it. ;)
Its well worth checking out for some extra detailing of the universe it's set in.
Just set aside an afternoon to watch it. ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Apr 15, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Post by: Master on Apr 15, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Three more sequels? Great! Then lets make Avatar vs Predator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 15, 2014, 04:06:30 PM
Post by: Hubbs on Apr 15, 2014, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Three more sequels? Great! Then lets make Avatar vs Predator.
I like this mans idea.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 15, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 15, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
I disliked Avatar in the theater but liked it more on repeated viewings.
Kind of the same way as that modern E.T. remake movie.........can't remember its name.
Kind of the same way as that modern E.T. remake movie.........can't remember its name.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 15, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 15, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
Super 8?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 15, 2014, 04:48:48 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 15, 2014, 04:48:48 PM
Yeah. After being let down n theaters I now think its a solid movie.
I think my expectations were to high for both films.
I think my expectations were to high for both films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 15, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
Super 8?
Super 8 was a work of art, IMO. I loved every second of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Topazora on Apr 15, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
Post by: Topazora on Apr 15, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Three more sequels? Great! Then lets make Avatar vs Predator.
yes please
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 15, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 15, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
I liked Avatar fine. I haven't seen it since, but it was a solid sci-fi film. I'm cool with a sequel, but three of them is a bit much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OWLF on Jan 14, 2015, 04:54:23 PM
Post by: OWLF on Jan 14, 2015, 04:54:23 PM
Avatar 2 release date pushed back to late 2017. :-[
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
That's OK.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 14, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 14, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
I don't think this surprises anyone - they're still in pre-production, and the film will inevitably require a small eternity of post (especially if they're doubling up with the other sequels).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
Does anyone really care about the series anymore? A lot of people at Entertainment Weekly have voiced their distaste of the original film citing that the only thing it really had was rad special effects. Personally I kinda agree, I'm not one who is easily wowed by shiny colors and stuff and I found the story a bit lacking.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 01:38:41 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 01:38:41 AM
Loved the first.
Very excited to see the sequel.
Very excited to see the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 15, 2015, 01:41:36 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 15, 2015, 01:41:36 AM
I remember really enjoying the first in the theater, but I haven't watched it all the way through since then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:00 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
Does anyone really care about the series anymore? A lot of people at Entertainment Weekly have voiced their distaste of the original film citing that the only thing it really had was rad special effects. Personally I kinda agree, I'm not one who is easily wowed by shiny colors and stuff and I found the story a bit lacking.
If even a quarter of the people who saw the original still care, it'll be a huge hit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Keg on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
Post by: Keg on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
First film was so predictable. Everything plays out exactly as you expect and the "save the planet" theme is slapped in your face at every opportunity. Was it entertaining though? Yes. Transparent and straight forward plot but as a blockbuster it delivers. Id rather see sequels to this than the likes of Transformers.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:51:22 AM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:51:22 AM
Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:00 AMQuote from: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
Does anyone really care about the series anymore? A lot of people at Entertainment Weekly have voiced their distaste of the original film citing that the only thing it really had was rad special effects. Personally I kinda agree, I'm not one who is easily wowed by shiny colors and stuff and I found the story a bit lacking.
If even a quarter of the people who saw the original still care, it'll be a huge hit.
If there are still more delays then we probably won't have even that, but I'm glad it's happening; too often I've seen promising stories screwed over by rush jobs and whatnot.
Quote from: Keg on Jan 15, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
First film was so predictable. Everything plays out exactly as you expect and the "save the planet" theme is slapped in your face at every opportunity. Was it entertaining though? Yes. Transparent and straight forward plot but as a blockbuster it delivers. Id rather see sequels to this than the likes of Transformers.
That's true, the only way TF4 was good was that it copied off every good action movie out there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2015, 06:19:56 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2015, 06:19:56 AM
So isn't this now a tetralogy?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 15, 2015, 07:40:49 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 15, 2015, 07:40:49 AM
I saw a story on the evening news that claimed they have no idea what to do in Avatar 2 and that is the real reason it is being delayed. The rumor is that the script for avatar 2 is practically a clone of avatar. Pardon the pun.
Man I just don't give a shit about 12 foot tall blue people being raped by whiny punk ass humans with space tanks.
Honest question, how often do you watch avatar vs any other Cameron movie? I'm pretty sure the Titanic and abyss get more love.
Man I just don't give a shit about 12 foot tall blue people being raped by whiny punk ass humans with space tanks.
Honest question, how often do you watch avatar vs any other Cameron movie? I'm pretty sure the Titanic and abyss get more love.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Tangakkai on Jan 15, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
Post by: Tangakkai on Jan 15, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
Well with James Cameron it's always the same...
Haters gonna hate, but box office gold is guaranteed. He can do anything he wants... and he knows that very well.
I just wish he would stop screwing around and make that Battle Angel adaptation that he always claims to be "the best story that will ever be put on film".
Haters gonna hate, but box office gold is guaranteed. He can do anything he wants... and he knows that very well.
I just wish he would stop screwing around and make that Battle Angel adaptation that he always claims to be "the best story that will ever be put on film".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
I would prefer to watch the first Transformers over Avatar. Yes, that's how much I dislike the latter.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 01:27:45 PMagree 100%. Avatar was simply a space version of Dances with Wolves...white soldier meets native race, gains trust of chief's daughter and her heart, turns back on his own kind, gets accepted by tribe and has leader status, fights in final battle against his own.
I would prefer to watch the first Transformers over Avatar. Yes, that's how much I dislike the latter.
There is nothing else I care to see in this world. You can't recapture the awe, especially this far out. ask Sin City 2
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Avatar was simply a space version of Dances with Wolves
...and the problem is?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 02:12:42 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 01:27:45 PMagree 100%. Avatar was simply a space version of Dances with Wolves...white soldier meets native race, gains trust of chief's daughter and her heart, turns back on his own kind, gets accepted by tribe and has leader status, fights in final battle against his own.
I would prefer to watch the first Transformers over Avatar. Yes, that's how much I dislike the latter.
Yes, by choice, and even before the film was released it was already said so by Cameron that he wants to do a classic, simple archetype story of this exact nature but in a version nobody had seen before. And I agree with him and must admit, his version of the classic tale for me was more heart pumping and exciting than Last Samurai, Dances With Wolves (which I really like), Pocahontas or Witness (which I also like)
He talked about it million times
JC before the release: "I wanted to create a familiar type of adventure in an unfamiliar environment by setting the classic tale of a newcomer to a foreign land and culture in an alien planet. The story is by design classic in its broad strokes"
And after: ""I think that part of myth is familiarity. Myth has to feel like it has roots in prior arc going back through traditions of storytelling and going back way far. People that uh, its always amusing when they say 'wow, its just Dances With Wolves'. Yeah because Dances With Wolves took place on another planet where people projected their consciousness to other bodies that were 10 ft tall and blue , its like. We intentionally wanted to use familiar touchstones of storytelling that were historical and reflect them through a lens from the future. "
Neville Page: It's a classic, classic story. "Avatar" has the best of both, a very familiar story and a very unique vision behind it."
Someone once said that if you put vodka, apple sour and melon mix together you get an Apple Martini. All of those ingredients preexisted the drink but they were never together. Avatar (and any other movie for that matter) is just that. We have seen the story before (Pocahontas, Dances With Wolves, Total Recall) and we have seen the concept or streaming consciousness before (Matrix), but never the 2 together. And besides, all of the classics derive or simply adapt other older stories, like Alien for example.
Ill quote an article which defended ALIEN from the same misguided criticism:
Unfortunately, when people use the word "influence" when talking about popular media it often has a negative connotation. Why say influenced or inspired when you really mean ripped off, and to confuse things even further, I'm not really sure where the line is when it stops being a rip-off and becomes a homage. But just as George Lucas was inspired by the likes of Alex Raymond and Akira Kurwasawa, O'Bannon, just coming off Dark Star, cherry-picked several key elements from several sources, put them in a blender, and ended up with one of the scariest movies ever made. Some could argue that isn't that what the creative process is? Taking what you've experienced, seen and heard, and make them your own? We'll give that a qualified "yes"
Just for those who might not know, here are 2 stories that may sound familiar
Discord in Scarlet
In Discord in Scarlet, the crew runs afoul of another ancient alien: the Ixtl, a vicious insect-like creature that had been free-floating in the vacuum of space since the Big Bang. Once brought on board, the creature revives and escapes. Hiding in the ship's air-shafts, the Ixtl abducts several crewmembers, who serve as hosts when it implants its parasitic eggs inside them. The creature buzzsaws through a good chunk of the crew until, once again, nexialist ingenuity tricks it into vacating the ship, which then warps away, leaving the monster stranded in deep space again
-A lawsuit by A.E. van Vogt, claiming plagiarism of his 1939 story "Discord in Scarlet" (which he had also incorporated in the 1950 novel "Voyage of the Space Beagle"), was settled out of court.
Then there's of course The Black Destroyer (crew picks up a creature from ancient ruins in a distant planet, it kills them one by one and then gets jettisoned into space) and It Terror from Beyond Space ( claustrophobic tale of a small crew trapped on a spaceship, facing an indestructible creature that randomly picks them off and violently dispatches them)
People tend to forget that whatever the original material, its not gonna be the same as the material that borrows from it. Again, I dont like the original movie that Alien was based on but I love the Alien. Damn those who condemn influences just because theyre influences and been done before. Who cares if it has been done before, it hasnt been done before in THIS way and apparently THIS way is what everyone prefers. That defense from me goes towards Alien and Avatar
Also, people tend to ommit the fact that openly mentioning influences is not ripping off
I was actually selling the movie as Dances With Wolves in space and thats how I got my coworkers into theaters. After all, it is a classic and great story, and if someone ascifi fan, seeing the same story but in a scifi environment is just 10X the experience
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:24:18 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 02:18:03 PMQuote from: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Avatar was simply a space version of Dances with Wolves
...and the problem is?
Cliched, predictable, boring, overblown, in-your-face, shallow, you name it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:24:18 PM
Cliched, predictable, boring, overblown, in-your-face, shallow, you name it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
I would prefer to watch the first Transformers
"Get a load of this guy."
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Yes. Because Transformers isn't pretending to be something it isn't. Cameron wants you take Avatar seriously as some sort of commentary on environmental politics and such. Transformers directed by Michael Bay tells you exactly what you're going to get: silly humour, loud action, and not much brains.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
So, the cliff notes version of that long winded response is simply that it's okay to rip off the work of greater minds as long as you state before hand that that is exactly your intent?! And now, it's okay to accept the accolades that belong to those greater minds? I would guarantee you that if you were to remake one of Cameron's movies, if in fact he has one of originality, he would the first one to take the case to court and cry foul! Try making a Terminator type film involving time travel and see what he says.
The main point was; his story, even if not original by his admissions, was very weak. The special effects sold the movie. But isn't that the EXACT complaint that most have against Michael Bay and others....too much reliance on special effects to sell the weak plot?
That is the problem with these sequels: we know the story, and we've already SEEN the effects now!! nothing new to waste money on
AND...I still believe Cameron stole the story from the novel Old Man's War, even though the author doesn't fight him on it!
The main point was; his story, even if not original by his admissions, was very weak. The special effects sold the movie. But isn't that the EXACT complaint that most have against Michael Bay and others....too much reliance on special effects to sell the weak plot?
That is the problem with these sequels: we know the story, and we've already SEEN the effects now!! nothing new to waste money on
AND...I still believe Cameron stole the story from the novel Old Man's War, even though the author doesn't fight him on it!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 04:12:04 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Yes. Because Transformers isn't pretending to be something it isn't.
So what was Avatar pretending to be?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Cameron wants you take Avatar seriously as some sort of commentary on environmental politics and such.
Was it not?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 04:12:04 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Yes. Because Transformers isn't pretending to be something it isn't.
So what was Avatar pretending to be?Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Cameron wants you take Avatar seriously as some sort of commentary on environmental politics and such.
Was it not?
I couldn't take it seriously as one because it was so in-your-face. The film doesn't approach subtlety in any way. As people have said one million times before, District 9 did a much better job with its themes of apartheid, xenophobia, and racism. It didn't need to beat people over the head with their film making which is exactly what Avatar did.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
I couldn't take it seriously as one because it was so in-your-face. The film doesn't approach subtlety in any way. As people have said one million times before, District 9 did a much better job with its themes of apartheid, xenophobia, and racism. It didn't need to beat people over the head with their film making which is exactly what Avatar did.
Fair enough but I still don't see what it was pretending to be?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:25:21 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:25:21 PM
A serious film on the problems with our times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
Post by: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
I can't think of any film that beats you over the head with its themes as vigorously as District 9. Doesn't make it (or Avatar) bad though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
I disagree. District 9 doesn't have Sharlto Copley screaming, "YOU MURDERERS!!!" in overdone slow-motion to the tune of violins playing. It's not as dramatic with everything which in turn only made it even more annoying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
Post by: walker31 on Jan 15, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
I have to say I think the worst in your face message movie was The Day after Tomorrow...beats even Avatar on saving the planed themes
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 15, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
Post by: That Yellow Alien on Jan 15, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
There's a certain pretentiousness to Avatar that makes it insufferable which The Day After Tomorrow and District 9, despite having their own agenda, don't have.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:25:21 PM
A serious film on the problems with our times.
Isn't that almost every film out there? :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 15, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
There's a certain pretentiousness to Avatar that makes it insufferable which The Day After Tomorrow and District 9, despite having their own agenda, don't have.
This.
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2015, 04:25:21 PM
A serious film on the problems with our times.
Isn't that almost every film out there? :P
No.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
I disliked Avatar cause the film seemed to care more about special effects and pretty colors than plot. Also, Jake was an idiot, I'm used to Cameron characters with more wit than him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 16, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 16, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 15, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
There's a certain pretentiousness to Avatar that makes it insufferable which The Day After Tomorrow and District 9, despite having their own agenda, don't have.
I'd say DAT's agenda backfires on it considering how unbelievably stupid the movie is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 16, 2015, 01:38:23 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Jan 16, 2015, 01:38:23 AM
I find DAT so much more insufferable. It has a loud message and says it poorly.
Avatar, for all it lacks in storytelling originality, is still a well told story.
Avatar, for all it lacks in storytelling originality, is still a well told story.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Avatar was what it was - a story that we've heard a hundred times before told again with pretty colours. But it was enjoyable enough.
Probably the only really awesome thing in it was Steven Lang.
Probably the only really awesome thing in it was Steven Lang.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 16, 2015, 09:11:51 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 16, 2015, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Avatar was what it was - a story that we've heard a hundred times before told again with pretty colours. But it was enjoyable enough.
But of course... if you were 12 years old.
Still I'll ask the question again, who here actually watches it? I mean think about it, say you are bored and want to watch a movie... I'm pretty sure every other movie Cameron made comes to mind before Avatar does. Avatar by itself, in my opinion, doesn't cut the longevity test and will be forgotten.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 16, 2015, 09:11:51 AMStill I'll ask the question again, who here actually watches it?
I re-watched it just a few weeks ago. (I'm a lot older than 12.)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: JokersWarPig on Jan 16, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
Post by: JokersWarPig on Jan 16, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
I watched it on FX last month, its not my favorite movie but its not bad at all, especially the last hour or so.
Every time I see it though I can't help but think that the military vehicles would work extremely well in the Aliens universe for the USCM.
Every time I see it though I can't help but think that the military vehicles would work extremely well in the Aliens universe for the USCM.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 09:51:19 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jan 16, 2015, 09:45:50 AMEvery time I see it though I can't help but think that the military vehicles would work extremely well in the Aliens universe for the USCM.
There was so much Aliens in the film it could almost have been a side-sequel. The mercenaries were pretty much the Colonial Marines' evil twin. Not to mention you've got Weaver, and Michael Biehn was the original choice for Quaritch. Interestingly Steven Lang supposedly auditioned for Hicks back in 1986.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Avatar was what it was - a story that we've heard a hundred times before told again with pretty colours. But it was enjoyable enough.
Probably the only really awesome thing in it was Steven Lang.
Steven Lang's role didn't require much to do other than scowl and be angry the entire time. I don't think there was a single person in the film who "wowed" me with their acting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 12:56:21 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:32:46 PMSteven Lang's role didn't require much to do other than scowl and be angry the entire time. I don't think there was a single person in the film who "wowed" me with their acting.
I never claimed it was Oscar-worthy. I just enjoyed the hell out of him chewing the scenery :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Neither did I. The acting doesn't have to be Oscar-worthy, just good to the point where I can lose myself in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 16, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 16, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 16, 2015, 09:11:51 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 08:39:19 AM
Avatar was what it was - a story that we've heard a hundred times before told again with pretty colours. But it was enjoyable enough.
But of course... if you were 12 years old.
Still I'll ask the question again, who here actually watches it? I mean think about it, say you are bored and want to watch a movie... I'm pretty sure every other movie Cameron made comes to mind before Avatar does. Avatar by itself, in my opinion, doesn't cut the longevity test and will be forgotten.
It has at least great final battle, Cameron still has it. The last movie I would watch would be True Lies, I hate it. As for Avatar, it doesnt touch me as much cause Im not really a nature guy and never was, so you know. The theatrical cut I would rate 5, maybe 6 out of 10, but he cut out so much material. The extended cut (with extra 16 minutes ) PLUS the 40 minutes of deleted scenes on the other hand wouldve been a solid 8/10 for me. So much more character, heart and depth. The scene were Grace tells Jake how the soldier ambushed the school, or when Grace and Jake talk to Selfridge in the rain, those are better than every other character scene in the movie, and they didnt make any cut. But he said he wanted to simplify the story and, quoting him, "pages after pages were flying out to the thrash can"
The final battle tho is fantastic (although again, there are some great action scenes cut out, such as the battle at the compound that was taking place simultaneously to the battle for the tree of souls)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 16, 2015, 01:30:41 PMThe last movie I would watch would be True Lies, I hate it.
:o No way? I love True Lies! I think it's easily Cameron's most under-rated film. It's an amazing action movie - the final thirty-odd minutes is just carnage - and it's damn funny too. "Would a spy pee himself, huh?!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: predxeno on Jan 16, 2015, 05:12:49 PM
Post by: predxeno on Jan 16, 2015, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2015, 12:56:21 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2015, 12:32:46 PMSteven Lang's role didn't require much to do other than scowl and be angry the entire time. I don't think there was a single person in the film who "wowed" me with their acting.
I never claimed it was Oscar-worthy. I just enjoyed the hell out of him chewing the scenery :)
More power to you. Personally, I like scenery that's darker, grittier, and scarier; kinda like in Aliens (yeah, I'm a horror aficionado). ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: MudButt on Jan 16, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
Post by: MudButt on Jan 16, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
I enjoyed the first one, but this wait for the sequels has made me lose interest, I'm sure I'll watch them once they come out, but I don't really care for them at this point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2015, 11:18:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2015, 11:18:32 AM
http://www.movienewsguide.com/avatar-2-plot-spoilers-jake-sully-neytiri-kids-pandora-many-new-characters/122910
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: blood. on Nov 26, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
Post by: blood. on Nov 26, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
so does anyone doubt there will be mercenary avatars?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Slightly concerned as to how they plan on bringing back Quaritch, but as I said recently I loved Stephen Lang in the first one so at the same time I'm happy that we'll be seeing more of him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 26, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 26, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Slightly concerned as to how they plan on bringing back Quaritch, but as I said recently I loved Stephen Lang in the first one so at the same time I'm happy that we'll be seeing more of him.
I was just about to say, how the hell are they planning on that? Spoilers, but he does strike me as being extremely dead. Unlike Sigourney Weaver, who's only mildly dead.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: blood. on Nov 26, 2015, 11:33:02 AM
Post by: blood. on Nov 26, 2015, 11:33:02 AM
cloning maybe?
or some tissue regeneration or some bs.
Or maybe Quaritch is such a badass he patched his wounds and lived on Pandora in the wilderness concealed in mud.
or some tissue regeneration or some bs.
Or maybe Quaritch is such a badass he patched his wounds and lived on Pandora in the wilderness concealed in mud.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
Maybe it's his evil twin, Quiratch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 26, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 26, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo on Nov 26, 2015, 11:29:22 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Slightly concerned as to how they plan on bringing back Quaritch
I was just about to say, how the hell are they planning on that?
By P.F.M most likely.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 26, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Nov 26, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 26, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
By P.F.M most likely.
Hell yeah!
The Avatar films can do what they like as its a new franchise with its own rules. P.F.M would be welcomed! :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 05, 2015, 12:57:26 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 05, 2015, 12:57:26 AM
I don't think Cameron would do that. The guy isn't the best storyteller in the world but he still respects the rules.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 05, 2015, 03:48:50 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 05, 2015, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 05, 2015, 12:57:26 AM
I don't think Cameron would do that. The guy isn't the best storyteller in the world but he still respects the rules.
He's got to obey the rules, Pandora rules...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four. Shame that we're missing other interesting movies that Cameron's got in him; I was looking forward to Battle Angel and his Hiroshima project.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PM
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four.
This. I don't see the need for more films in this franchise, what's more to tell?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 06, 2015, 09:43:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Dec 06, 2015, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four.
This. I don't see the need for more films in this franchise, what's more to tell?
Something about air pollution?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 06, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 06, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four.
This. I don't see the need for more films in this franchise, what's more to tell?
A lot more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Dec 07, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Post by: The Son of Paragus on Dec 07, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 06, 2015, 10:39:37 PMQuote from: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four.
This. I don't see the need for more films in this franchise, what's more to tell?
A lot more.
Well I didnt ask if there "was more", but "what's more" to tell, I really can't see it. The circle was complete in the first one imo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PMI just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri.
As much as I confess to enjoying Avatar, this is sadly true. All the best characters in the film were the supporting characters, and they're virtually all dead by the time you reach the end of the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 07, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 07, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
You know I love James Cameron and wish him all the best and yada yada... but is it wrong to hope that the sequel absolutely bombs? ???
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 07, 2015, 12:37:26 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 07, 2015, 12:37:26 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Dec 07, 2015, 08:52:26 AMQuote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 06, 2015, 10:39:37 PMQuote from: The Son of Paragus on Dec 06, 2015, 03:31:47 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
I just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri. Avatar seemed better off as a lone movie, not four.
This. I don't see the need for more films in this franchise, what's more to tell?
A lot more.
Well I didnt ask if there "was more", but "what's more" to tell, I really can't see it. The circle was complete in the first one imo.
I was thinking that they could explore other tribes and cultures of Pandora, to flesh out the Na'vi kind of how Predator films flesh out the Predators by introducing other clans.
They can also explore different biomes of Pandora, try a more plains or cliff setting, even one near the seas like Cameron said he wants to explore the waters on Pandora.
I think even with Jake and Neytiri, there's a bit to tell, how is Jake going to lead the tribe? Will the humans return and how do they handle their defeat? How does this all affect human society? Also we need to see more of Earth and human life, how our folly has affected us. Another thing that I would love to see is how humans react when they first discovered the Na'vi, how this impacted our society and how early interactions with them went.
In a way, you could say that Predator didn't need subsequent films because Shane Black made a similar point to yours, he said "there's nothing to tell, the first film said it all", but the reason he's doing the next Predator film is because he probably had a new idea for a new story. I'm certain something similar applies to Avatar.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2015, 09:11:45 AMQuote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PMI just... don't care about Jake and Neytiri.
As much as I confess to enjoying Avatar, this is sadly true. All the best characters in the film were the supporting characters, and they're virtually all dead by the time you reach the end of the movie.
I gotta confess, I used to hate Tsu'tey, he was such an arse. But as the film progressed, I began to actually like the character. How he learns to accept Jake Sully into the clan. So it's a shame that he dies...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 07, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 07, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Of f**king course Cameron wants to explore the seas of Pandora. :laugh: Honestly, he should just make Titanic 2: Leo's Revenge. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Dec 12, 2015, 04:59:09 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Dec 12, 2015, 04:59:09 AM
QuoteJames Cameron has today offered EW an update regarding his plans for the future of the Avatar franchise. As previously revealed, a trilogy of Avatar sequels is on the way with Avatar 2 expected to tentatively hit the big screen in 2017.http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/640549-avatar-sequels-update#/slide/1
"I'm in the process of doing another pass through all three scripts right now," Cameron says of the Avatar sequels' current status. "Just refining. That's in parallel with the design process. The design process is very mature at this point. We've been designing for about a year and a half. All the characters, settings and creatures are all pretty much [set]."
"[Y]ou have to challenge yourself," he says. "Obviously, expectations are going to be very high on these films, especially on 'Avatar 2,' to make sure it wasn't just some big fluke the first time. So we've got to deliver. I've created a nice rod for my own back, so they say."
Shouldn't the thread title be James Cameron's Avatar sequel trilogy?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Dec 12, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Dec 12, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
He's still writing?! Surely there's no way we'll be seeing one of these in 2017.
I do like that an overarching plot spanning all the planned films is being finalised beforehand though. Very rare in cinema, aside from book adaptations. It's the sort of thing I've been wishing they'd do with James Bond.
I do like that an overarching plot spanning all the planned films is being finalised beforehand though. Very rare in cinema, aside from book adaptations. It's the sort of thing I've been wishing they'd do with James Bond.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 14, 2015, 09:07:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 14, 2015, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: Vertigo on Dec 12, 2015, 09:51:27 AMHe's still writing?! Surely there's no way we'll be seeing one of these in 2017.
When does he ever say that? Touching up and tweaking is very different from writing a script from scratch.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/james-cameron-wants-you-to-remember-that-those-avatar-sequels-are-important-265
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 23, 2015, 10:40:05 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Dec 23, 2015, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo on Dec 12, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
He's still writing?! Surely there's no way we'll be seeing one of these in 2017.
He first wrote Avatar back in 1993 and rewrite the movie for over a decade. Took him 16 years to finally get the movie made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Dec 24, 2015, 01:51:54 AM
Post by: Magegg on Dec 24, 2015, 01:51:54 AM
Hold a second...
Guys, hold a second, please.
So...
Are you telling me Avatar is not animated movie?? O____O
Guys, hold a second, please.
So...
Are you telling me Avatar is not animated movie?? O____O
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Darkness on Apr 14, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Post by: Darkness on Apr 14, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
James Cameron has just announced a fourth Avatar sequel. Avatar 2 is coming Christmas 2018.
http://www.thewrap.com/james-cameron-announces-fourth-avatar-sequel-release-dates/
http://www.thewrap.com/james-cameron-announces-fourth-avatar-sequel-release-dates/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 15, 2016, 10:41:38 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 15, 2016, 10:41:38 AM
I'm down for this. Very interested in what JC can do with a big cinematic universe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2016, 11:06:04 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2016, 11:06:04 AM
I wasn't really blown away by Avatar. I guess if it looks pretty I might go give it a watch but I'm not expecting much. The first one was too derivative for me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Apr 15, 2016, 11:49:16 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Apr 15, 2016, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Dec 12, 2015, 04:59:09 AMQuoteJames Cameron has today offered EW an update regarding his plans for the future of the Avatar franchise. As previously revealed, a trilogy of Avatar sequels is on the way with Avatar 2 expected to tentatively hit the big screen in 2017.
Quote from: Vertigo on Dec 12, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
He's still writing?! Surely there's no way we'll be seeing one of these in 2017.
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 14, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Avatar 2 is coming Christmas 2018.
Ahhhhhhhh, it feels so good to be right. Not quite good enough to mitigate the prospect of having to wait another two and a half years, but still....
Any James Cameron film is something worth being excited for. I do think the story and character writing will need more work than last time to make up for the fact that 3D and fully immersive effects are more commonplace now, and particularly to support a quadrilogy, but underestimating Cameron doesn't generally work out well.
Only thing is, it's almost inevitable that the sequel won't perform as well commercially, because it won't have the new cinema technology drawing in crowds. It's sure to be huge, but there's likely to be an army of internet haters gloating over the relative box office.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Post by: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Not a big fan of this movie. The first one rode the wave of the latest technology, and blatantly and proudly ripped off a familiar story in Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas. Too bad there isn't a Dances with Wolves: Revenge of the Tatonca for Cameron to rip off. I honestly can't imagine that he has enough creativity in the tank for multiple sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
I have no reason to think these sequels will be any less of a self-indulgent, two and a half-hour wankfest to James Cameron's inability to tell an original story. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the first movie was so vapid.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 15, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 15, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Not a big fan of this movie. The first one rode the wave of the latest technology, and blatantly and proudly ripped off a familiar story in Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas. Too bad there isn't a Dances with Wolves: Revenge of the Tatonca for Cameron to rip off. I honestly can't imagine that he has enough creativity in the tank for multiple sequels.
Well, Avatar 2 will apparently be titled "Avatars" followed by "Avatar³" then "Avatar: Resurrection" and finally "Avatar vs. Predator".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Master on Apr 15, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Post by: Master on Apr 15, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Laugh all you want, I'd kill for Avatar vs Predator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 15, 2016, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 15, 2016, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Laugh all you want, I'd kill for Avatar vs Predator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2016, 09:23:35 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2016, 09:23:35 PM
I wonder how each sequel will be different. Earth setting perhaps in one of them? This will be a challenge in itself, to have each movie vastly different than the others
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Infected on Apr 16, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
Post by: Infected on Apr 16, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
Ah men, not interested in another Terminator or Aliens
but easily takes on more Avatar crap movies.
but easily takes on more Avatar crap movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: Infected on Apr 16, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
Ah men, not interested in another Terminator or Aliens
but easily takes on more Avatar crap movies.
When he was doin sequels to those two he was following stellar masterpieces, now since then both mythologies have been diluted by god awful sequels (resurrection, avpr, salvation) who eventually degraded and almost run those mythologies to the ground. Now hes following his own mythology on his own terms, so no wonder.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 16, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Apr 16, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
That is ambitious as hell though.
I don't believe a word of it either. We were meant to get Avatar 2 like when? 2014? 15? Now it's a 2018 release date with plans for Avatar 2 in 2020, Avatar 3 to 5 way into the 20's.
I barely heard anything about Avatar since 2009. It's like people who aren't part of the Avatar forum forget it even exists these days. I don't think people are clamouring for a sequel and judging by the negativity. He best focus on getting Avatar 2 done FIRST and see how well it does before he announces the next fifty sequels which will be done in a seventy year span.
Don't get me wrong, I am excited to see where this goes. But the amount of sequels and the dates are pissing me off. I'd rather wait for Avatar 2 in 2018, and then hear about an Avatar 3 etc.
And where's that novel he promised us? I wonder how the comic books are doing as well? And we all thought Ridley Scott was bad when it comes to the amount of times he changes things and announces Prometheus sequels. ;D
Don't forget Avatar: Paradise Lost and Avatar Covenant.
I don't believe a word of it either. We were meant to get Avatar 2 like when? 2014? 15? Now it's a 2018 release date with plans for Avatar 2 in 2020, Avatar 3 to 5 way into the 20's.
I barely heard anything about Avatar since 2009. It's like people who aren't part of the Avatar forum forget it even exists these days. I don't think people are clamouring for a sequel and judging by the negativity. He best focus on getting Avatar 2 done FIRST and see how well it does before he announces the next fifty sequels which will be done in a seventy year span.
Don't get me wrong, I am excited to see where this goes. But the amount of sequels and the dates are pissing me off. I'd rather wait for Avatar 2 in 2018, and then hear about an Avatar 3 etc.
And where's that novel he promised us? I wonder how the comic books are doing as well? And we all thought Ridley Scott was bad when it comes to the amount of times he changes things and announces Prometheus sequels. ;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 15, 2016, 08:32:25 PMQuote from: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Not a big fan of this movie. The first one rode the wave of the latest technology, and blatantly and proudly ripped off a familiar story in Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas. Too bad there isn't a Dances with Wolves: Revenge of the Tatonca for Cameron to rip off. I honestly can't imagine that he has enough creativity in the tank for multiple sequels.
Well, Avatar 2 will apparently be titled "Avatars" followed by "Avatar³" then "Avatar: Resurrection" and finally "Avatar vs. Predator".
Don't forget Avatar: Paradise Lost and Avatar Covenant.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 18, 2016, 08:09:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 18, 2016, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PMThe first one rode the wave of the latest technology, and blatantly and proudly ripped off a familiar story in Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas.
While this is a totally valid point, I don't get why people were so vehement about it towards Avatar. Plenty of other movies have ripped of the exact same story just as obviously and they didn't get lambasted for it (The Last Samurai springs to mind).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 18, 2016, 08:09:33 AMQuote from: walker31 on Apr 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PMThe first one rode the wave of the latest technology, and blatantly and proudly ripped off a familiar story in Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas.
While this is a totally valid point, I don't get why people were so vehement about it towards Avatar. Plenty of other movies have ripped of the exact same story just as obviously and they didn't get lambasted for it (The Last Samurai springs to mind).
or Alien. Its all about HOW you tell an otherwise old and reused story
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 18, 2016, 03:45:20 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 18, 2016, 03:45:20 PM
Exactly!
Personally I think Cameron told that story extremely well.
Personally I think Cameron told that story extremely well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Apr 18, 2016, 03:45:20 PM
Exactly!
Personally I think Cameron told that story extremely well.
certainly for me thats by far the coolest version of Pocahontas story along with Dances
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
It would've been fun, had the messages about environmentalism, colonialism, and imperialism not been so hammy and forced.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 20, 2016, 03:00:31 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Apr 20, 2016, 03:00:31 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Dec 12, 2015, 04:59:09 AMShouldn't the thread title be James Cameron's Avatar sequeltrilogytetralogy?
He's going to keep expanding the series until he goes insane!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 27, 2016, 11:32:34 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 27, 2016, 11:32:34 PM
Jim told us (JCO) yesterday that he is still writing, whether he's polishing the scripts or still writing the story, we're not sure
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 03, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 03, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
https://twitter.com/heroichollywood/status/915356222953594882
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
Winslet's always good value.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 04, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 04, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
She plays Ronal.
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1709930/kate-winslet-joins-avatar-2-heres-who-shes-playing
QuoteKate and I have been looking for something to do together for 20 years, since our collaboration on Titanic, which was one of the most rewarding of my career. I can't wait to see her bring the character of Ronal to life.
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1709930/kate-winslet-joins-avatar-2-heres-who-shes-playing
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 21, 2017, 09:04:02 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 21, 2017, 09:04:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Collider/status/933036557681950721
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Makes sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 21, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 21, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Laugh all you want, I'd kill for Avatar vs Predator.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scifimoviezone.com%2Fimagevisualsstills%2Ffanartss020.jpg&hash=0a3946de1a31222b10b72740163eeefbcccbe7fc)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Killveous on Nov 22, 2017, 12:14:42 AM
Post by: Killveous on Nov 22, 2017, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 21, 2017, 10:13:06 PMQuote from: Master on Apr 15, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Laugh all you want, I'd kill for Avatar vs Predator.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scifimoviezone.com%2Fimagevisualsstills%2Ffanartss020.jpg&hash=0a3946de1a31222b10b72740163eeefbcccbe7fc)
That would be amazing! especially if they were riding their banshees around.
As for the movies being underwater? Sounds great? I can't think of many movies that focus a lot of underwater or sea based story play other than films more aimed at either kids (adventures with Nemo or Moana) or for sadder themes of death at sea (and James Cameron knows all about that). There's been a handful of good classics but certainly not something with this budget or quite the context I can't recall?
Very pumped for it, hope we see a LOT more massive alien beasts!
Bring me the Pandora Sharks and Whales, wowza thats going to be awesome to see.
Calling it now there will be a big sea creature called a Leviathan by the humans and something that sounds like a sneeze to the natives (I joke, I love the name Ikran).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Abyss crossover, anyone?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:25:45 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:25:45 AM
I wish Cameron was just doing a whole new scifi project instead of a needless sequel to one of his weaker films. :-[
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 04:27:38 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 04:27:38 AM
Lol maybe he can pass off Avatar 3-6 to Tim Miller and make Titanic 2: Jack Fights Back from the Grave.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:50:32 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:50:32 AM
Titanic 2 but it's a big ass spaceship that gets hit by an asteroid...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 04:54:20 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 04:54:20 AM
A sentient asteroid, voiced by Willem Dafoe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: genocyber on Nov 22, 2017, 08:11:38 AM
Post by: genocyber on Nov 22, 2017, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:50:32 AMDoctor Who did that.
Titanic 2 but it's a big ass spaceship that gets hit by an asteroid...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2017, 05:06:46 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2017, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Abyss crossover, anyone?
The NTIs were bioluminescent creatures, so it makes sense
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamescamerononline.com%2Fnticloseup.JPG&hash=834f674d8f1ec393c1f8d4305c95f5515ec27ac6)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Mr. Xenomorph on Nov 22, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
Post by: Mr. Xenomorph on Nov 22, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Nov 22, 2017, 08:11:38 AMQuote from: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:50:32 AMDoctor Who did that.
Titanic 2 but it's a big ass spaceship that gets hit by an asteroid...
"Really bad name for a ship... or else this suit is really unlucky!" :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 27, 2017, 01:07:14 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 27, 2017, 01:07:14 AM
James Cameron on Avatar sequels' progress and the future of his franchises
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/934947778186407938
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/934947778186407938
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Anthony on Nov 27, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
Post by: Anthony on Nov 27, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
It's good that he and Fox are waiting to see how 2 and 3 do before going forward with 4 and 5. Given that all 4 are said to cost around $1 Billion in total, it could be disastrous if they shot all 4 simultaneously and 2 and 3 bombed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2018, 01:28:26 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2018, 01:28:26 AM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/989270011268161536
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Apr 26, 2018, 08:14:46 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Apr 26, 2018, 08:14:46 AM
December 2020? It's going to be a nostalgia piece at this point - it's only slightly shorter than the gap between Jurassic Park 3 and Jurassic World.
Also in the article, Jon Landau is saying that Kate Winslet and the rest of the cast were trained to hold their breath for up to three minutes in a giant water tank. That's pretty astonishing.
Also in the article, Jon Landau is saying that Kate Winslet and the rest of the cast were trained to hold their breath for up to three minutes in a giant water tank. That's pretty astonishing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 26, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 26, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo on Apr 26, 2018, 08:14:46 AM
Also in the article, Jon Landau is saying that Kate Winslet and the rest of the cast were trained to hold their breath for up to three minutes in a giant water tank. That's pretty astonishing.
Yeah, 3 minutes is approaching Navy Seal and pearl diver territory. I assume they keep still while underwater and hyperventilate before submerging.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 26, 2018, 10:37:19 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 26, 2018, 10:37:19 PM
I'm surprised Tom Cruise hasn't learned how to do that for a Mission Impossible movie yet. And no, the pool scene in Minority Report doesn't count.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 14, 2018, 04:29:58 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 14, 2018, 04:29:58 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
https://twitter.com/GraceRandolph/status/1058417398687170560
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
In James we trust. He takes his time. No pressure. No rush. He makes sure everything will be spot on. I like this kind of approach. Patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
It's always about quality rather than quantity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:32:04 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:32:04 PM
I wonder what it must feel like to wake up and know a good director is bringing you several sequels of the movies you like. I mean seriously, when will I see the day that there's like 3 or 4 new Alien or Blade Runner movies coming? For the love of God! ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Ridley Scott turns 81 at the of the month, both his brothers are dead, and he has lots he wants to do before it's his turn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:45:52 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:45:52 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Ridley Scott turns 81 at the of the month, both his brothers are dead, and he has lots he wants to do before it's his turn.
Indeed, you have to admire his work ethic. Let him do as much as possible, I say. There's not going to be another like him...ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 10:08:59 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 10:08:59 PM
I admire him for his work ethics, it's truly inspiring considering his age, but at the same time don't understand him at all. Instead of focusing on one project he's got a long list of movies he's willing to make and it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing next. He wants to make:
Western (likely Wraiths of the Broken Land)
Battle of Britain
Musical
Pirate movie
Queen&Country
Merlin
Another Alien
Gladiator 2 (if this is true)
And there is so many projects he hasn't done for various reasons: I Am Legend, Brave New World, The Forever War, Blood Meridian, Monopoly and The Train, another project with Giger.
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/giger/30043/the-train-the-ridley-scott-hr-giger-movie-that-never-was
Western (likely Wraiths of the Broken Land)
Battle of Britain
Musical
Pirate movie
Queen&Country
Merlin
Another Alien
Gladiator 2 (if this is true)
And there is so many projects he hasn't done for various reasons: I Am Legend, Brave New World, The Forever War, Blood Meridian, Monopoly and The Train, another project with Giger.
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/giger/30043/the-train-the-ridley-scott-hr-giger-movie-that-never-was
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:45:52 PMQuote from: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Ridley Scott turns 81 at the of the month, both his brothers are dead, and he has lots he wants to do before it's his turn.
Indeed, you have to admire his work ethic. Let him do as much as possible, I say. There's not going to be another like him...ever.
I don't believe he should work in Cameron's way, but I was wondering to myself about a "what if" scenario thought-out in Scott career in the past. I know that not every film can become a master piece or something, but for me (in sci fi genre at least) his last really good movie was "The Martian". I've not seen "All the Money in the World" though. But overall, I do believe he is a talented director (a legend indeed). It's just that I think with more time (again, in his past works) and good writers; any of his films could have reached a superior status (like Alien) as great entertaining/art pieces. But maybe it was an unfair comparison, and I can understand the disagreement.
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 02, 2018, 10:08:59 PM
And there is so many projects he hasn't done for various reasons: I Am Legend, Brave New World, The Forever War, Blood Meridian, Monopoly and The Train, another project with Giger.
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/giger/30043/the-train-the-ridley-scott-hr-giger-movie-that-never-was
I've never heard before about this never-made film, thanks. A fine addition to the (https://i.imgur.com/yO5QgSB.gif) Unmade Movies Thread (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56931.180), no doubt. Just like "The Tourist".
(https://i.imgur.com/xi2jR0t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yO5QgSB.gif) The Hollywood horror story of writer Clair Noto's unfilmed masterpiece. (http://www.hrgiger.com/tourist.htm)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 11:11:45 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 09:45:52 PMQuote from: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Ridley Scott turns 81 at the of the month, both his brothers are dead, and he has lots he wants to do before it's his turn.
Indeed, you have to admire his work ethic. Let him do as much as possible, I say. There's not going to be another like him...ever.
Yep.
QuoteI admire him for his work ethics, it's truly inspiring considering his age, but at the same time don't understand him at all. Instead of focusing on one project he's got a long list of movies he's willing to make and it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing next.
It's the way he wants to work. What's difficult to understand?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Magegg on Nov 03, 2018, 12:27:41 AM
Post by: Magegg on Nov 03, 2018, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2018, 09:36:05 PMThat's ridiculous! Ridley Scott is not eighty-- oh, fac D:Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Ridley Scott turns 81 at the of the month, both his brothers are dead, and he has lots he wants to do before it's his turn.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 03, 2018, 01:02:10 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 03, 2018, 01:02:10 AM
Ginge don't minge.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: irn on Nov 03, 2018, 09:49:40 AM
Post by: irn on Nov 03, 2018, 09:49:40 AM
Ridley Scott's work ethic is outstanding, but he is a different type of director to James Cameron. Scott is more like the force behind the fusion of his teams work, while Cameron takes a far greater overarching role by influencing most aspects of the production.
I think the best way to put it is Ridley Scott is more of a director and James Cameron is more of a film maker. If that makes sense.
I think the best way to put it is Ridley Scott is more of a director and James Cameron is more of a film maker. If that makes sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Old One on Nov 03, 2018, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: The Old One on Nov 03, 2018, 10:26:00 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 02, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
I'm not a Cameron's fanboy, but I'm glad he is taking his time and, I believe that Ridley Scott is like the opposite concept: he is constantly making movies and stuff, but...how many of these pieces are genuinelly good? Quantity ≠ Quality.
Scott used to take three years per film. Spent several months on pre-production (9 on BR), filmed dozens of takes and often went over budget and behind schedule. In that time we got The Duelists, Alien, Blade Runner and Legend.
Nowadays he typically takes 18 months per film, 2-3 months pre-prod, three takes max and is always under budget and ahead of schedule. He works much faster and is much more efficient (and studio friendly) but he doesn't produce films at the same level of excellence as his early years.
Quote from: irn on Nov 03, 2018, 09:49:40 AM
Ridley Scott's work ethic is outstanding, but he is a different type of director to James Cameron. Scott is more like the force behind the fusion of his teams work, while Cameron takes a far greater overarching role by influencing most aspects of the production.
I think the best way to put it is Ridley Scott is more of a director and James Cameron is more of a film maker. If that makes sense.
No, both are auteurs. Only real difference is that Cameron writes his own scripts whereas Scott hires writers to do the writing for him.
Scott however has done "director-for-hire" films such as The Martian and All the Money in the World in contrast to Cameron who has written and developed everything he has directed so far.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 03, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 03, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 03, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
Scott used to take three years per film. Spent several months on pre-production (9 on BR), filmed dozens of takes and often went over budget and behind schedule. In that time we got The Duelists, Alien, Blade Runner and Legend.
Nowadays he typically takes 18 months per film, 2-3 months pre-prod, three takes max and is always under budget and ahead of schedule. He works much faster and is much more efficient (and studio friendly) but he doesn't produce films at the same level of excellence as his early years.
I'd definitely say it should be easier for him to work well at a faster pace than he could years ago. That's just what hard work and lots of experience gets you. As for films of quality, that's always going to be subjective. I loved movies like The Martian and Exodus, and I actually can now enjoy Prometheus, for what it is. Not to mention, he was an executive producer for 2049 and The Terror. The things he's involved in today, are still rather good, I'd say.
Ridley has a style that's all his own. Cameron might do just about everything, but there is (I think) a noticeable difference in quality between the two. Scott's films, in my opinion, will always look and flow better. With a Cameron film, I'll always feel like I'm watching a movie that was designed to be as bloated and sensational as it could be, in order to make as much money as possible. It will be political, romantic, adventurous, etc. All the tropes necessary to appeal to as many people as possible. But never to be overly serious. I love Aliens just as much as the next fan, but movies like Titanic soured me on his approach. Especially when you compare it to films like "a night to remember".
When I watch a Ridley Scott film, it feels like art. It feels less of a spectacle, and much more serious. There are things to see, but there is also substance. It's like the difference between having pizza for dinner, or a hot meal of meat, potatoes and corn. One sounds like a lot more fun and is meant to please anyone, but isn't as good for you, or as satisfying. Scott's films also look gorgeous, just to throw that out there. The quality of his sets, and the quality of the cinematography is second to none. He's mastered the art of making a damn good looking film, even in moments where cgi is either not present, or minimal.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 04, 2018, 05:04:33 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 04, 2018, 05:04:33 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 03, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
With a Cameron film, I'll always feel like I'm watching a movie that was designed to be as bloated and sensational as it could be, in order to make as much money as possible. It will be political, romantic, adventurous, etc. All the tropes necessary to appeal to as many people as possible. But never to be overly serious.
That's because Cameron abandoned a physics major to pursue the arts, but never committed himself to artistic/literary academic discipline. He dropped out of a goal for an scientific/technical engineering degree to pursue writing, but his agenda included free loading off friends, smoking pot, and writing at his leisure.
And it shows in the stories he writes, plugging in low hanging fruit plot elements to prop up visual wonders he envisioned. That was his strong point being an accomplished illustrator. On a more positive side, once he creates the visual in his mind, he is relentless in creating it visually. No compromise.
For example, he had his mindset how the Navi of Avatar would look and turned downed countless renditions until he found the perfect match to what he envisioned how they looked. Which it was Character Designer Jordu Schell who read his Avatar scriptment(?)/treatment?, combined with using the image of actress Q'orianka Kilcher specifically for the Avatar female lead character Neytiri, and designed the Navi based on Cameron's descriptions. When Cameron arrived to see what he produced, Cameron blurted, "That's her! That's her! That's it! That's the look, right there!"
What Jordu sculptured in his early rendition of Neytiri is pretty close to the final product we see on film.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Fimageavatarartists%2Fschell16.jpg&hash=42b84117da4687409a022ab8bada93357b2b1e57)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
Sequel film titles? (https://www.pedestrian.tv/film-tv/avatar-sequel-titles-leak/)
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 05, 2018, 06:20:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 05, 2018, 06:20:45 AM
The Seed Bearer should be Avatar: The Last Seed Bearer.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 05, 2018, 04:51:11 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 05, 2018, 04:51:11 PM
Perhaps, Pandora was some weird giant terraforming project by
(https://i.imgur.com/ibDqCeD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Weo5cIs.gif)
These titles sounds weird AF. :P
Nice info bro, keep it up ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/ibDqCeD.jpg)
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 03, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
When I watch a Ridley Scott film, it feels like art.
(https://i.imgur.com/Weo5cIs.gif)
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
Sequel film titles? (https://www.pedestrian.tv/film-tv/avatar-sequel-titles-leak/)
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
These titles sounds weird AF. :P
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 04, 2018, 05:04:33 AMQuote from: Huggs on Nov 03, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
With a Cameron film, I'll always feel like I'm watching a movie that was designed to be as bloated and sensational as it could be, in order to make as much money as possible. It will be political, romantic, adventurous, etc. All the tropes necessary to appeal to as many people as possible. But never to be overly serious.
That's because Cameron abandoned a physics major to pursue the arts, but never committed himself to artistic/literary academic discipline. He dropped out of a goal for an scientific/technical engineering degree to pursue writing, but his agenda included free loading off friends, smoking pot, and writing at his leisure.
And it shows in the stories he writes, plugging in low hanging fruit plot elements to prop up visual wonders he envisioned. That was his strong point being an accomplished illustrator. On a more positive side, once he creates the visual in his mind, he is relentless in creating it visually. No compromise.
For example, he had his mindset how the Navi of Avatar would look and turned downed countless renditions until he found the perfect match to what he envisioned how they looked. Which it was Character Designer Jordu Schell who read his Avatar scriptment(?)/treatment?, combined with using the image of actress Q'orianka Kilcher specifically for the Avatar female lead character Neytiri, and designed the Navi based on Cameron's descriptions. When Cameron arrived to see what he produced, Cameron blurted, "That's her! That's her! That's it! That's the look, right there!"
What Jordu sculptured in his early rendition of Neytiri is pretty close to the final product we see on film.
http://scifimoviezone.com/imageavatarartists/schell16.jpg
Nice info bro, keep it up ;)
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 06, 2018, 10:25:59 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 06, 2018, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 05, 2018, 04:51:11 PM
Nice info bro, keep it up ;)
My pleasure. That was gleaned from a website project I did. The info on character designer Jordu Schell was told to me by Jordu himself. I did an interview with him for my site years ago. Besides Avatar, he's known for character design for Alien Resurrection, Predator 2, AVP, Hellboy, Cloverfield, Hellraiser, and many more.
On a more surreal note, according to Jordu, when Cameron was discussing with Jordu how Neytiri should look, Cameron told him that he wanted the alien to look so erotic, you would want to f**k her. Cameron's exact words. Not pulling your leg....at least according to Jordu.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2018, 04:28:09 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2018, 04:28:09 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 06, 2018, 10:25:59 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 05, 2018, 04:51:11 PM
Nice info bro, keep it up ;)
My pleasure. That was gleaned from a website project I did. The info on character designer Jordu Schell was told to me by Jordu himself. I did an interview with him for my site years ago. Besides Avatar, he's known for character design for Alien Resurrection, Predator 2, AVP, Hellboy, Cloverfield, Hellraiser, and many more.
On a more surreal note, according to Jordu, when Cameron was discussing with Jordu how Neytiri should look, Cameron told him that he wanted the alien to look so erotic, you would want to f**k her. Cameron's exact words. Not pulling your leg....at least according to Jordu.
One of the creatures of the novel "The Voyage of the Space Beagle" reminds me of the land apex predator of Pandora. I heard that Jim himself designed that creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2Fmx0m76.jpg&hash=fa899d507b73e770bd35593eeeb148c0910cdf45)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 04:47:58 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 04:47:58 AM
Guess everyone nicks stuff from Discord In Scarlet.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 07, 2018, 06:14:27 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 07, 2018, 06:14:27 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2018, 04:28:09 AM
One of the creatures of the novel "The Voyage of the Space Beagle" reminds me of the land apex predator of Pandora. I heard that Jim himself designed that creature.
Yes, the Thanator. Cameron allowed his concept artists to use their own creativity to render the various creatures, but instructed them to leave the Thanator alone. That was all his to create.
This is a Cameron early illustration of the Thanator.....
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Fimageavatarplot%2Fplotthanator2.jpg&hash=648b981fc0489bb8c28206433fcf37e77da7a882)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 15, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 15, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1062813410826510336
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 15, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1062813410826510336
Wow. So they finally did it eh? I thought they'd be stuck in development hell for years. But of course, I don't follow these films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 15, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 15, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
Titanic and Avatar are the two highest grossing movies of all time. So from a business point of view, he is a safe bet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
Probably. Well, congratulations on another billion Jim.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2018, 08:42:38 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2018, 08:42:38 PM
Already? I didn't even realize production had begun.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 15, 2018, 09:56:32 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 15, 2018, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2018, 08:42:38 PMHe just finished production on 4 sequels... and you didn't even realize it started?
Already? I didn't even realize production had begun.
Also I'm assuming it is still 4 movies even though 'trilogy' is being thrown around. Can anyone confirm the amount of films? pretty please
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 10:15:11 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 10:15:11 PM
I didn't know either. It seems like every time I saw any update on these films over the last few years, it was always somebody saying that they'd been delayed again, or something to that effect.
It's hard enough to believe that he did one, let alone four. This has got to be a joke.
It's hard enough to believe that he did one, let alone four. This has got to be a joke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Old One on Nov 15, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: The Old One on Nov 15, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Hard to believe anyone would be interested in four sequels to Avatar, how do you even make four work as an arc?
Unless the first is essentially a standalone, or a companion piece to the original and the next three are their own story.
Bizarre.
Unless the first is essentially a standalone, or a companion piece to the original and the next three are their own story.
Bizarre.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 15, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Bizarre.
Yeah, that about sums it up. I can only guess it's the money. It's gotta be the money, and the novelty.
People will go see them each time just to be a part of what could be the most financially successful movie in history (at least for awhile).
But 4 or 5 Avatar movies? Holy Moses.
And is it just me, or does Cameron's forehead look kind of bulbous there?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2018, 11:09:30 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 15, 2018, 11:09:30 PM
There were 7 Harry Potter stories.
The only bizarre thing is that it's taken so long to make more movies that follow the most successful film ever.
The only bizarre thing is that it's taken so long to make more movies that follow the most successful film ever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 11:01:39 PMQuote from: The Old One on Nov 15, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Bizarre.
Yeah, that about sums it up. I can only guess it's the money. It's gotta be the money, and the novelty.
While I can't attest to how ravenous James Cameron's wallet might be, I can see more appeal to it for him than that.
Very little of Avatar's universe has been sketched in, so there is a vast amount of creative freedom. Unlike Aliens it's not an inherited project, unlike Terminator it's not hemmed in by an increasingly dense canon, unlike True Lies or The Abyss it's not set in the constraints of today's world. There's some pressure to see Pandora again (of which we've only seen a small part) and check back in with Jake and Neytiri, but other than that, it's basically just bounded by raw artistic ability.
And beyond that, it's clearly a message he cares about - with good reason.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:05:57 AM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:05:57 AM
Quote from: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:02:56 AMQuote from: Huggs on Nov 15, 2018, 11:01:39 PMQuote from: The Old One on Nov 15, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Bizarre.
Yeah, that about sums it up. I can only guess it's the money. It's gotta be the money, and the novelty.
While I can't attest to how ravenous James Cameron's wallet might be, I can see more appeal to it for him than that.
Very little of Avatar's universe has been sketched in, so there is a vast amount of creative freedom. Unlike Aliens it's not an inherited project, unlike Terminator it's not hemmed in by an increasingly dense canon, unlike True Lies or The Abyss it's not set in the constraints of today's world. There's some pressure to see Pandora again (of which we've only seen a small part) and check back in with Jake and Neytiri, but other than that, it's basically just bounded by raw artistic ability.
And beyond that, it's clearly a message he cares about - with good reason.
It's the studio to which I'm referring. Green-lighting that many films has to be about the money. For Cameron, it is no doubt because he has a story he wants to tell.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:48 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:48 AM
Isn't every film given studio money with the intention of making more money?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:46:57 AM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:48 AM
Isn't every film given studio money with the intention of making more money?
I could see 1 film, but 4? Goodness mercy, that's some faith right there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 01:16:56 AM
Post by: Vertigo on Nov 16, 2018, 01:16:56 AM
My understanding is that production of the latter two is still pretty fluid, so can be axed if the first two underperform. They've apparently only wrapped main cast filming on 2 and 3.
Which makes sense - given that Avatar came close to outgrossing the entire LotR trilogy it's a reasonable assumption that a sequel will do good business (even a 60% drop in worldwide box office would still be a decent haul), but a third is necessary to prove whether the income is sustainable before committing fully to more films.
Which makes sense - given that Avatar came close to outgrossing the entire LotR trilogy it's a reasonable assumption that a sequel will do good business (even a 60% drop in worldwide box office would still be a decent haul), but a third is necessary to prove whether the income is sustainable before committing fully to more films.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 16, 2018, 02:20:55 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 16, 2018, 02:20:55 AM
Yep.
After the first one made nearly $2.8b - you could make four sequels at $250m a pop and still be out in front even if all of them tank. And the second one at the very least won't.
After the first one made nearly $2.8b - you could make four sequels at $250m a pop and still be out in front even if all of them tank. And the second one at the very least won't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 16, 2018, 09:04:34 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 16, 2018, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:46:57 AMI could see 1 film, but 4? Goodness mercy, that's some faith right there.
Considering Cameron's last two movies have been the highest grossing film of all time, I can see why the studio would have some faith in him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Undoubtedly, but Avatar isn't new anymore, and there's no big technological novelty. Those two things alone coupled with the fact that it was a James Cameron film no doubt had alot to do with why it was so successful, especially after Titanic.
Now, I know it doesn't mean much, but I've yet to meet a human being that gives much of a hoot for the story. If it's not new anymore, and the narrative is poor, that's not something I'd have 4 movies worth of faith in. But of course that's just me. I'm more of a risk aversive type guy. I look at the situation and say, "better to invest in one solid sequel first, and see whatever demand is still there".
But, of course, there's a part of me that hopes all of this will be highly successful an accidentally lead to either Cameron or Scott getting the same treatment for Alien. An all out creative blitzkrieg.
Now, I know it doesn't mean much, but I've yet to meet a human being that gives much of a hoot for the story. If it's not new anymore, and the narrative is poor, that's not something I'd have 4 movies worth of faith in. But of course that's just me. I'm more of a risk aversive type guy. I look at the situation and say, "better to invest in one solid sequel first, and see whatever demand is still there".
But, of course, there's a part of me that hopes all of this will be highly successful an accidentally lead to either Cameron or Scott getting the same treatment for Alien. An all out creative blitzkrieg.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 16, 2018, 11:08:06 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 16, 2018, 11:08:06 PM
Avatar 2 will surpass 2 billion at the box office. Mark my words :)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 11:33:22 PM
Post by: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 11:33:22 PM
It'll probably hit alittle over 1b. I'd wager there's going to be a noticeable drop with the 3rd film though. Once the newness has worn off again, and since there isn't a technical wow like there was with the first movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 17, 2018, 01:30:40 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 17, 2018, 01:30:40 AM
He's releasing them a year apart, so as long the second one is engaging enough and he ends it on cliffhanger he's guaranteed a decent enough return from people just wanting to find out what happens.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Old One on Nov 17, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
Post by: The Old One on Nov 17, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
We should bear in mind it may be the case "Avatar" is ultimately a misnomer and it might have nothing to do with Jake Sully whatsoever.
Or most things we remember from the 2008 film.
That may explain the four films rationale- as the first maybe a re-setup of elements old and new key to the following films.
Maybe JC isn't too crazy.
The last time a film series was given appropriate production time and filmed all at once we received LOTR.
Or most things we remember from the 2008 film.
That may explain the four films rationale- as the first maybe a re-setup of elements old and new key to the following films.
Maybe JC isn't too crazy.
The last time a film series was given appropriate production time and filmed all at once we received LOTR.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SM on Nov 17, 2018, 02:36:46 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 17, 2018, 02:36:46 AM
Sam Worthington was cast as Jake 8 years ago.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
Quote"Like, nothing. I can tell you that we're deeply, deeply into the shooting. We're by no means finished. Quaritch, his place in this particular universe has gotten more complicated. And that's kind of the extent of his involvement in the world. The world begins to – the world of Pandora – begins to affect him quite deeply in ways that he either refused or it did not affect him. And it gets under his skin."
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1072499021762187266
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
Loved Stephen Lang in the first one. Chewed the scenery like a boss.
Not sure how I feel about the character coming back but I look forward to more Lang.
Not sure how I feel about the character coming back but I look forward to more Lang.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2018, 09:03:29 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2018, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
Not sure how I feel about the character coming back
Aye, I have that concern as well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2019, 10:17:28 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2019, 10:17:28 PM
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1097564180729589760
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1097526893136498691
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1097526893136498691
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Mar 30, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
Post by: ace3g on Mar 30, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1111304477607448578
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Apr 16, 2019, 03:05:26 AM
Post by: ace3g on Apr 16, 2019, 03:05:26 AM
https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1117864046764494849
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 07, 2019, 06:13:28 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 07, 2019, 06:13:28 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1125802802792427521
New release dates:
Avatar 2 - 2021
Avatar 3 - 2023
Avatar 4 - 2025
Avatar 5 - 2027
New release dates:
Avatar 2 - 2021
Avatar 3 - 2023
Avatar 4 - 2025
Avatar 5 - 2027
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on May 07, 2019, 06:22:33 PM
Post by: Shasvre on May 07, 2019, 06:22:33 PM
What was the original release?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 07, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 07, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on May 07, 2019, 06:22:33 PM
What was the original release?
Well, for starters, 2014. :D
It was coming out next year, with Avatar 3 set to follow immediately after in 2021. Now 2 is 2021, an untitled Star Wars is 2022, Avatar 3 2023, Star Wars 2024, Avatar 4 2025, Star Wars 2026, Avatar 5 2027.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kradan on May 07, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 07, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Meh, i'm afraid when it'll finally come out almost nobody will be interested to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on May 07, 2019, 10:53:38 PM
Post by: Huggs on May 07, 2019, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 07, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Meh, i'm afraid when it'll finally come out almost nobody will be interested to see it.
It will be very successful, simply because the last film was king of the money hill for years. It will be marketed as an event film, and people will go see it simply to say they saw the new biggest earning film in cinema history. It's bragging rights and the trendy thing to do.
I honestly don't know how it warranted 1 sequel. The movie sucked, quite frankly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on May 15, 2019, 11:38:40 PM
Post by: ace3g on May 15, 2019, 11:38:40 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1128751909886500864
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 11:56:41 PM
Post by: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 11:56:41 PM
When the movie comes out in 2043, he'll say, "my, I looked so young".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 02, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 02, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 12:26:50 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 12:26:50 AM
Kate?
Leo?
Leo?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2019, 12:29:43 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2019, 12:29:43 AM
A water tank? I thought Cameron would have filmed at scene for real. He's practically king of the seas. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 12:41:14 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 12:41:14 AM
The tank prob is built into the Mariana trench, for atmospheric effectz.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 03, 2019, 01:49:30 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 03, 2019, 01:49:30 AM
I waited 10 years to see this!
(https://i.imgur.com/VNrEkNy.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/VNrEkNy.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 01:54:15 AM
Post by: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 01:54:15 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 02, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3H3eVTnQ6v/
Titanic 2: Jack's Back, And He's Really P*ssed Off
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2019, 02:02:58 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2019, 02:02:58 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 01:54:15 AMQuote from: ace3g on Oct 02, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3H3eVTnQ6v/
Titanic 2: Jack's Back, And He's Really P*ssed Off
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_kwddrgwOjP1qzhiqwo2_1280.png&hash=4b418f65493f0ba5a5eb4c544fb2e1dc700b3e25)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 02:22:31 AM
Post by: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 02:22:31 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 03, 2019, 02:02:58 AMQuote from: Huggs on Oct 03, 2019, 01:54:15 AMQuote from: ace3g on Oct 02, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3H3eVTnQ6v/
Titanic 2: Jack's Back, And He's Really P*ssed Off
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_kwddrgwOjP1qzhiqwo2_1280.png&hash=4b418f65493f0ba5a5eb4c544fb2e1dc700b3e25)
When she dropped the Heart of the Sea (or whatever it was) it landed on his dead frozen forehead. Now cursed and re-animated, he was picked up by a passing ship. Sworn to hunt down and destroy the descendants of all those responsible for his death, he goes all Count of Monte Cristo. After slaughtering his way across the globe, he boards the same liner as Rose's great granddaughter, intent on completing his vengeance. The only way to destroy him is to send his undead @$$ back to the bottom.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.adsttc.com%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F55e6%2Fc917%2F4d8d%2F5d9a%2F1500%2F0f60%2Fnewsletter%2Finception_movie_hd_trailer_stills_nolan_dicaprio_ellenpage32-610x258.jpg%3F1441188115&hash=b98783a8f8267e6a108ac3d21cdab4986875a377)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7340/9982906173_2a6f04bbce_b.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 03, 2019, 08:19:04 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 03, 2019, 08:19:04 PM
Hopefully it's Avatar meets 'The Abyss' :o
(https://i.imgur.com/Bctcc0d.jpg)
I wait 30 years for this :-X
(https://i.imgur.com/Bctcc0d.jpg)
I wait 30 years for this :-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 03, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
That is some giant LSD vagina.
Giger approves.
Giger approves.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 07, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 07, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
Didn't I read a synopsis way back in the day that humans and the blue skinned fellas was going to have to join together because of some ancient species rinning amok.
I remember something about water too. Like they were going to have to go to the oceans or even another moon for answers.
I remember something about water too. Like they were going to have to go to the oceans or even another moon for answers.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 07, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 07, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
I've read about Pandora's moons and water so far, but never about that ancient threat. That's almost interesting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Mr. Xenomorph on Oct 07, 2019, 08:59:04 PM
Post by: Mr. Xenomorph on Oct 07, 2019, 08:59:04 PM
Whatever happened to the series of tie-in novels they were supposed to release? I can't believe how there's no print media to keep Avatar relevant in between movies. Star Wars thrived as long as it did after the OT due to the EU. This thing should be huge at this point.
Edit: I see a graphic novel releasing in December, but that's paltry for what was the highest grossing movie of all time.
Edit: I see a graphic novel releasing in December, but that's paltry for what was the highest grossing movie of all time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 08, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 08, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
Might be waiting for the new movie to bring it back into re relevancy before the influx of other media.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Old One on Oct 10, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
Post by: The Old One on Oct 10, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
Yeah, most likely. I just can't see it being of interest to loads of people though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
It has been a long time and there is no huge film breakthrough whatsoever.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 10, 2019, 10:49:45 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 10, 2019, 10:49:45 PM
Yeah, I liked the movie well enough, but the only huge impact it had was every other movie having crappy post conversion 3D for like half a decade.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 01, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
Post by: Shasvre on Dec 01, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1200460535956815873
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 01, 2019, 07:36:49 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 01, 2019, 07:36:49 PM
Eh, while I appreciate the Abyss it is a very slow burn movie.
Attempting something similar in the Avatar sequels has the chance of being very hit or miss.
Attempting something similar in the Avatar sequels has the chance of being very hit or miss.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Post by: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Avatar....is this a thing? lol.
I can't believe it has been as long as it has considering the money the first one made.
I can't believe it has been as long as it has considering the money the first one made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 02, 2019, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 02, 2019, 10:06:59 PM
Wonder if Cameron had George Lucased the series where only he could develop sequels to it?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 02, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 02, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Avatar....is this a thing? lol.
I can't believe it has been as long as it has considering the money the first one made.
Well, it took him 7 years to do T2 . I guess, guy just likes to take his time and don't rush things .
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: irn on Dec 02, 2019, 11:19:46 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 02, 2019, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 02, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
Well, it took him 7 years to do T2 . I guess, guy just likes to take his time and don't rush things .
It's crazy that his final sequel is scheduled for release in 2027. Nearly 20 years after the first one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: razeak on Dec 03, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
Post by: razeak on Dec 03, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 02, 2019, 10:34:21 PMQuote from: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Avatar....is this a thing? lol.
I can't believe it has been as long as it has considering the money the first one made.
Well, it took him 7 years to do T2 . I guess, guy just likes to take his time and don't rush things .
I suppose so. T1 - T2 makes a lot more sense from a purely money standpoint.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 19, 2019, 01:35:34 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 19, 2019, 01:35:34 AM
Quote from: io9"People don't really understand the scope and complexity of the process," Cameron told Variety. "It's like making two and a half big animated films. A typical big animated film takes about four years, so, if you do the math on that, we're kind of right on schedule for December 2021."
"From 2013 until now we've mostly designed the whole world across four new movies," Cameron said. "We've written, finished scripts for all four of those films. We've cast them, and we've [performance] captured movie two, movie three, and the first part of movie four. We're mostly done with the live-action. I've got a couple months in New Zealand in spring, so we're kind of on track with what we set out to do."
https://twitter.com/io9/status/1207467858239901701
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
I didn't realize any production on 4 had begun. I thought 2 and 3 were being made back-to-back, and then 4 and 5. Though I guess with the new every other year release dates, this process makes sense.
One of these days I'm going to revisit Avatar. I liked it a fair amount when it released, but I haven't seen it since probably 2011 or so.
One of these days I'm going to revisit Avatar. I liked it a fair amount when it released, but I haven't seen it since probably 2011 or so.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2019, 01:42:42 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2019, 01:42:42 AM
I really should rewatch it as well, I haven't seen the whole thing since theaters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
It gets a lot of shit, but honestly I enjoy it a lot. I could watch a Cameron future army in action all day, and Stephen Lang's a riot as the villain.
And as far as it just being little more than Pocahontas remake, so are a ton of other great movies.
And as far as it just being little more than Pocahontas remake, so are a ton of other great movies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 19, 2019, 06:20:41 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 19, 2019, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
I didn't realize any production on 4 had begun. I thought 2 and 3 were being made back-to-back, and then 4 and 5. Though I guess with the new every other year release dates, this process makes sense.
I thought so too. They seem to be taking an awfully big risk. What if the first sequel bombs hard?
You'd effectively have a Titanic scenario, with Disney being the doomed ship and Jim's flicks serving as the iceberg.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2019, 07:57:37 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2019, 07:57:37 PM
Jim's like the bad guy in The Spy Who Loved Me, he's prepared to survive the flood.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:33:37 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:33:37 AM
They lost me when Stephen Lang didn't win.
Dude was a hero.
Dude was a hero.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 20, 2019, 12:37:19 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 20, 2019, 12:37:19 AM
Alternatively, they predicted his future crime against cinema by being in that Conan reboot and punished him accordingly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:40:05 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:40:05 AM
Never saw the new Conan. Don't have any plans too either. No offense to JM, but he can't act to save his life.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2019, 12:42:58 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2019, 12:42:58 AM
He talks to fish real good though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 20, 2019, 12:52:15 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 20, 2019, 12:52:15 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:40:05 AM
Never saw the new Conan. Don't have any plans too either. No offense to JM, but he can't act to save his life.
I dunno if eight years old counts as new.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 01:34:26 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 01:34:26 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 20, 2019, 12:52:15 AMQuote from: Huggs on Dec 20, 2019, 12:40:05 AM
Never saw the new Conan. Don't have any plans too either. No offense to JM, but he can't act to save his life.
I dunno if eight years old counts as new.
New as in "not the original".
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
James Cameron is confident that Avatar will recover the record that "Avengers: Endgame" took from him.
https://twitter.com/Jacopo_della_Q/status/1207865438417362945
Quote from: USA Today"I think it's a certainty," says Cameron of "Avatar" eventually passing "Avengers" in theaters. "But let's give 'Endgame' their moment and let's celebrate that people are going to the movie theater."
"I don't want to sound snarky after I took the high road (by offering congratulations)," he says. "But they beat us by one quarter of a percent. I did the math in my head while driving in this morning. I think accountants call that a rounding error."
https://twitter.com/Jacopo_della_Q/status/1207865438417362945
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
Neither of those movies are number 1 all time if you adjust for inflation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Dec 22, 2019, 08:10:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Dec 22, 2019, 08:10:59 PM
Gone With the Wind is only up the top because it was released four thousand times :P
Avatar is actually number two adjusted for inflation.
Avatar is actually number two adjusted for inflation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2019, 01:32:57 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2019, 01:32:57 AM
Yes, with an almost 400 million dollar difference between it and GWTW.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: SiL on Dec 23, 2019, 06:25:07 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 23, 2019, 06:25:07 AM
James Cameron just needs to get Avatar in theaters as long as GWTW and he'll overtake it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2019, 06:33:45 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2019, 06:33:45 AM
Maybe. I doubt constant rereleases will be a thing in the future. Too many home media options.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Lizardboy on Dec 24, 2019, 07:10:15 PM
Post by: Lizardboy on Dec 24, 2019, 07:10:15 PM
Dark Horse is adapting the original sequel script into a graphic novel series;
James Cameron's screenplay, "The High Ground," was intended as the first sequel to the biggest blockbuster of all time, Avatar. Discarded in favour of other ideas, the original screenplay is being adapted into a three-part graphic novel series.
It has been almost a decade since the humans were forced to leave Pandora - but now they're returning - with an armada of heavily-armed starships! After years of peace, Jake Sully has settled down with Neytiri and raised a family, so for him, the stakes are even higher than when he first went to war against the corporate might of the RDA.
The High Ground was initially listed on Amazon, but later removed. The first volume, Advent to War, was listed with a January 23, 2020 release.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Favatarsequels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F10%2FIMG_6087.jpg&hash=0c72b5986cedae4af84fe6602f25074d56a16b47)
Also in the trailer for the MMO mobile game called Avatar:Pandora Rising there is a creature never seen before, probably they appear in the sequel or only in the game. :P
(https://i.imgur.com/EMT2pmV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ri5SlAi.png)
James Cameron's screenplay, "The High Ground," was intended as the first sequel to the biggest blockbuster of all time, Avatar. Discarded in favour of other ideas, the original screenplay is being adapted into a three-part graphic novel series.
It has been almost a decade since the humans were forced to leave Pandora - but now they're returning - with an armada of heavily-armed starships! After years of peace, Jake Sully has settled down with Neytiri and raised a family, so for him, the stakes are even higher than when he first went to war against the corporate might of the RDA.
The High Ground was initially listed on Amazon, but later removed. The first volume, Advent to War, was listed with a January 23, 2020 release.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Favatarsequels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F10%2FIMG_6087.jpg&hash=0c72b5986cedae4af84fe6602f25074d56a16b47)
Also in the trailer for the MMO mobile game called Avatar:Pandora Rising there is a creature never seen before, probably they appear in the sequel or only in the game. :P
(https://i.imgur.com/EMT2pmV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ri5SlAi.png)
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2019, 12:32:12 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2019, 12:32:12 AM
Quote from: Stephen Lang via Deadline"Jim indicated to me years ago, before filming on Avatar was completed, that Quaritch had a future," Lang said this week. "I might have taken that with a grain of salt at the time because we'd had a few beers. Shortly after Avatar opened Jim mentioned again that the Colonel was coming back, and by then I knew Jim well enough to know that he means what he says and he says what he means."
https://twitter.com/IAmStephenLang/status/1208115077120962560
Quote from: Lizardboy on Dec 24, 2019, 07:10:15 PM
Dark Horse is adapting the original sequel script into a graphic novel series;
James Cameron's screenplay, "The High Ground," was intended as the first sequel to the biggest blockbuster of all time, Avatar. Discarded in favour of other ideas, the original screenplay is being adapted into a three-part graphic novel series.
It has been almost a decade since the humans were forced to leave Pandora - but now they're returning - with an armada of heavily-armed starships! After years of peace, Jake Sully has settled down with Neytiri and raised a family, so for him, the stakes are even higher than when he first went to war against the corporate might of the RDA.
The High Ground was initially listed on Amazon, but later removed. The first volume, Advent to War, was listed with a January 23, 2020 release.
Also in the trailer for the MMO mobile game called Avatar:Pandora Rising there is a creature never seen before, probably they appear in the sequel or only in the game. :P
These are really nice! I am looking forward Avatar sequels mostly for my love of creature design 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: The Old One on Dec 26, 2019, 12:55:58 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 26, 2019, 12:55:58 AM
The idea of the Avatar Series surpassing the MCU is ludicrous, the universe isn't that interesting but then again- I remember people getting depression because Pandora isn't real, beyond me why.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Lizardboy on Dec 26, 2019, 05:11:35 AM
Post by: Lizardboy on Dec 26, 2019, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2019, 12:32:12 AM
These are really nice! I am looking forward Avatar sequels mostly for my love of creature design 8)
Yep same here, also i'm curious to see other Na'vi tribes adapted to different biomes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimo on Dec 26, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Post by: Kimo on Dec 26, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Doubt he can pass Endgame, but with the shit show of how the Star Wars franchise has turned out Cameron has a real good opportunity, with the Avatar sequels to make a solid franchise that lives up to the hype, and maybe won't turn to crap like the recent Star Wars movies have. Avatar is an average story with great looking visuals that came out when 3D was making a massive comeback. But now 3D is a relic of the past I wonder how he can top the first film? Let's face it, a lot of people went to see Avatar for the 3D/Visuals not for the story. Avatar 2 has a lot to prove, if this one can't deliver or is lukewarm then no one will care for this franchise.
Been years since I've seen Avatar, I thought it was ok not the best Cameron film but definitely enjoyable. I can't wait to see how Avatar 2 turns out. Let's face it Cameron give us T2 and Aliens some of the best sequels ever made. :)
But still a little salty of the shit show we had with Cameron/Miller involvement with how Dark Fate turned out.
Been years since I've seen Avatar, I thought it was ok not the best Cameron film but definitely enjoyable. I can't wait to see how Avatar 2 turns out. Let's face it Cameron give us T2 and Aliens some of the best sequels ever made. :)
But still a little salty of the shit show we had with Cameron/Miller involvement with how Dark Fate turned out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
I don't think Cameron ever suggested an Avatar sequel will surpass Endgame, just the original Avatar would. And I wouldn't be surprised if they re-released the original film in a limited theatrical engagement to get audiences reacclimated with that universe again, ultimately making it more than the 7+ million dollars needed to become #1 again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: ace3g on Jan 07, 2020, 05:59:26 AM
Post by: ace3g on Jan 07, 2020, 05:59:26 AM
https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/1214420742244159489
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Mr.Turok on Jan 07, 2020, 07:59:54 AM
Post by: Mr.Turok on Jan 07, 2020, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 26, 2019, 12:55:58 AM
The idea of the Avatar Series surpassing the MCU is ludicrous, the universe isn't that interesting but then again- I remember people getting depression because Pandora isn't real, beyond me why.
Well to be fair, the world is pretty cool from both flora and fauna. It's the only thing I like about the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
The Na'vi are riding plesiosaurs! in the new concept art 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/wqUF2UT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/csaD7ct.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wqUF2UT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/csaD7ct.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 08, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 08, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
I hope story good too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2020, 03:18:48 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2020, 03:18:48 AM
Indeed. However, I will pay to watch it because of the creatures and the alien world.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2020, 03:45:42 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2020, 03:45:42 AM
I'm going for the element bending. And Aang.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: razeak on Jan 09, 2020, 04:18:05 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 09, 2020, 04:18:05 PM
I really liked the aesthetic of the first one. I hope the story is solid. I may have to give it a rewatch. I saw it in theatres and then when it first came out on disc.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 10, 2020, 02:58:32 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 10, 2020, 02:58:32 AM
The story was very basic and simplistic (even though the extended version is better and more detailed and gives you more time with the characters its still a simple going native against the greed of humanity storyline), but I think that Cameron has the best aesthetic eye for future tech of any human being alive in film and I always appreciate how he sees that future in his newest sci fi movies.
I hope the new entries of the series feel less like a blatant rip off of Pocahontas and instead tread their own path.
And to clarify, I mean his tech looks like something humans would use in the future. Its not too clean and shiny like Star Trek or look like something that has no functionality like cheap sci fi films throw together.
I hope the new entries of the series feel less like a blatant rip off of Pocahontas and instead tread their own path.
And to clarify, I mean his tech looks like something humans would use in the future. Its not too clean and shiny like Star Trek or look like something that has no functionality like cheap sci fi films throw together.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Jan 10, 2020, 03:04:26 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 10, 2020, 03:04:26 AM
Stephen Lang.
That is all.
That is all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 10, 2020, 03:22:30 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 10, 2020, 03:22:30 AM
I wish the old rumors about Arnold playing the new bad guy had been true.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 04:02:58 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 04:02:58 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 10, 2020, 03:22:30 AM
I wish the old rumors about Arnold playing the new bad guy had been true.
Nah, that would just take me out of the movie!
Come on Jake... Come on! Doo it! Doo it! Come on Jake. Come on! Kill me! I'm here! Kill me Jake! I'm here! Kill me you Avatah! Come on! Kill me! I'm here Jake! Come on! Do it now! Kill me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Jan 10, 2020, 04:41:01 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 10, 2020, 04:41:01 AM
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and seek the exploitation of their resources"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 02:07:12 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 02:07:12 AM
Someone change the thread title to James Cameron's Avatar franchise/series/films/whatever before I have a conniption fit. There's going to be five of these things!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Huggs on Jan 15, 2020, 02:14:36 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 15, 2020, 02:14:36 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 02:07:12 AM
There's going to be five of these things!
God save us all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 15, 2020, 04:45:34 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 15, 2020, 04:45:34 AM
When the first four bomb, hopefully the fifth gets canceled.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2020, 09:12:31 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2020, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 15, 2020, 02:14:36 AMGod save us all.
You could just, you know... not go see them.
I don't see how there mere existence affects you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
Yep. If you don't like 'em, then fine. I remember liking Avatar on release, but I also haven't watched it since a year or two after its original release (I really need to rewatch), but I will always be excited for a new James Cameron release. This franchise, something else, whatever. I will always be excited to see what he does next.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
Never underestimate James Cameron.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Trilogy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 15, 2020, 06:55:21 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jan 15, 2020, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jan 15, 2020, 02:07:12 AM
Someone change the thread title to James Cameron's Avatar franchise/series/films/whatever before I have a conniption fit. There's going to be five of these things!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh5.ggpht.com%2F-Zh9vVY6W5wQ%2FTmac%2A%2AteAXI%2FAAAAAAAABP8%2FyTpHGk3NYik%2Ftumblr_lkyludhDq01qcfgllo1_500.gif&hash=2e6f450cd79a3dfbaa5bd105f4238a4eca315986)
your wish is granted
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
When the last Avatar movie released, Blockbuster still existed.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 06:58:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 06:58:44 PM
It'll be strange without James Horner.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 06:58:44 PM
It'll be strange without James Horner.
Yeah... :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 15, 2020, 08:45:57 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 15, 2020, 08:45:57 PM
QuoteJames Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Blockbuster-o-logy...
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/iAYupOdWXQy5a4nVGk/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2020, 08:52:32 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2020, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2020, 06:57:59 PMWhen the last Avatar movie released, Blockbuster still existed.
Isn't there still one store somewhere in the world? Hopefully it can hold out until the next one releases :P
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 06:58:44 PMIt'll be strange without James Horner.
:'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 15, 2020, 11:10:07 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 15, 2020, 11:10:07 PM
They could always recycle Horner's own tracks. The man himself did so many times.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 16, 2020, 12:17:59 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 16, 2020, 12:17:59 AM
I'm expecting Alan Silvestri to receive a call.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Brad Fidel gets dragged out of retirement to do it... I wish.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 12:25:33 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 12:25:33 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Brad Fidel gets dragged out of retirement to do it... I wish.
He said that, had he been asked, he would have returned in some capacity for Dark Fate.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:30:22 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 12:25:33 AMQuote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Brad Fidel gets dragged out of retirement to do it... I wish.
He said that, had he been asked, he would have returned in some capacity for Dark Fate.
Now that is disappointing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 01:26:34 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 01:26:34 AM
Not more than the movie. :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 01:29:49 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:30:22 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 12:25:33 AMQuote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Brad Fidel gets dragged out of retirement to do it... I wish.
He said that, had he been asked, he would have returned in some capacity for Dark Fate.
Now that is disappointing.
I quite liked Junkie XL's work, for the most part (especially the guitar pieces), but yeah, it would have been great to have Feidel on board. He was really the only piece missing in the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
I didn't care for the Dark Fate score, but Junkie XL's Mad Max: Fury Road score is just wonderous!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 02:14:13 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2020, 02:14:13 AM
I remember his Batman theme from BvS fairly well... if only because it played every single time Batman did anything, and the bass in my theater was cranked so loud the whole room shook.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 02:22:41 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2020, 02:22:41 AM
https://youtu.be/OCKcctRXb6s (https://youtu.be/OCKcctRXb6s)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2020, 09:14:42 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2020, 09:14:42 AM
The 300 sequel was crap, but Junkie XL's score for it was pretty pulse-pounding.
I'm a big fan of his movie work.
I'm a big fan of his movie work.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 19, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 19, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
^ That's what got him the job on Fury Road.
QuoteBlockbuster-o-logy(https://flickbook.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/moneypool-james-cameron.jpg?w=400&h=315)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 11, 2020, 02:46:55 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 11, 2020, 02:46:55 PM
https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1237393516726087687?s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Mar 12, 2020, 06:13:33 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 12, 2020, 06:13:33 AM
But isn't he ... died in previous one ? Geez.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Mar 12, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Mar 12, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
I didn't care for the Dark Fate score, but Junkie XL's Mad Max: Fury Road score is just wonderous!
He can do some really good parts but imo 50% of the time hes cery generic/stock. Alan Silvestri and John Williams are the last greats of epic films that are still working
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Apr 29, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Post by: ace3g on Apr 29, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on May 06, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
Post by: ace3g on May 06, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1258068885921648640
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 06, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 06, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
Very excited that we are (hopefully) getting to see a new Jimbo picture on the big screen next year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 06, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 06, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
Yeah, it would be f**king finally.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 06, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 06, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
It almost took forever to hit the screen. ::)
(https://i.imgur.com/qAfN11b.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/qAfN11b.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 06, 2020, 09:27:19 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 06, 2020, 09:27:19 PM
At least, whenever it hits, we'll be getting four Jimbo movies in eight years. That'll be a new record. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 08, 2020, 04:35:56 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 08, 2020, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: DeeadlineSome film and TV shoots "are already safely underway," the New Zealand Film Commission has confirmed to us. This potentially paves the way for the country's highest-profile productions, James Cameron's Avatar sequels and Amazon's The Lord Of The Rings series, to get back underway in coming months.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1258526060498481152
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 10, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 10, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottMendelson/status/1259184148360515584
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 10, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 10, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Even assuming they don't do the insane numbers of the original, they're bound to do a billion each minimum. So yeah, I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on May 12, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on May 12, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Never underestimate James Cameron.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on May 12, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on May 12, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
Even if these movies take so long to make that Robert Rodriguez has to do one for him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 12, 2020, 03:39:03 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 12, 2020, 03:39:03 PM
Stealth Alita sequel. I'll take it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 12, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 12, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 12, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
Even if these movies take so long to make that Robert Rodriguez has to do one for him.
So true, so true
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 02, 2019, 10:34:21 PMQuote from: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Avatar....is this a thing? lol.
I can't believe it has been as long as it has considering the money the first one made.
Well, it took him 7 years to do T2 . I guess, guy just likes to take his time and don't rush things .
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on May 13, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: ace3g on May 13, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1260604924095651840
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 22, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 22, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Jon Landau via InstagramOur #Avatar sets are ready — and we couldn't be more excited to be headed back to New Zealand next week. Check out the Matador, a high speed forward command vessel (bottom) and the Picador jetboat (top) — can't wait to share more.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAdy0QNpwLP/?igshid=gh3mvtzd5lk2
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on May 22, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on May 22, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
It's occurring to me these might be the last batch of movies Cameron ever does.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 23, 2020, 12:12:35 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 23, 2020, 12:12:35 AM
While Ridley Scott's career is quite active, I sometimes think similarly about him.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on May 26, 2020, 01:05:47 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on May 26, 2020, 01:05:47 AM
I can't find the quote but I remember reading something, it was an older interview, where Cameron essentially says he would only make about a dozen movies or so based on the way he works.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on May 26, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
Post by: irn on May 26, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on May 26, 2020, 01:05:47 AM
I can't find the quote but I remember reading something, it was an older interview, where Cameron essentially says he would only make about a dozen movies or so based on the way he works.
I don't think the average human lifespan is long enough for a dozen films at Cameron's production pace.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Jon Landau via Vital Thrills"This is the story of the Sully family and what one does to keep their family together. Jake and Neytiri have a family in this movie, they are forced to leave their home, they go out and explore the different regions of Pandora, including spending quite a bit of time on the water, around the water, in the water."
https://twitter.com/vitalthrillscom/status/1265630542399143936
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 28, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 28, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
Maybe they gonna adopt little Navi Newt
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: TC on May 29, 2020, 06:11:29 AM
Post by: TC on May 29, 2020, 06:11:29 AM
One thing that's always bugged me.is that the creatures' anatomy on Pandora seem to be 6 limbs and a tail. Except for the N'avi, who are 4 limbs and a tail (like here on Earth). Are they not native to the planet?
TC
TC
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on May 30, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on May 30, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
^ They came up with the Prolemuris as an intermediary leading to the Na'vi body plan -
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/5/55/Prolemuris.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20100715182454)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/5/55/Prolemuris.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20100715182454)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: TC on May 30, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
Post by: TC on May 30, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on May 30, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
^ They came up with the Prolemuris as an intermediary leading to the Na'vi body plan -
I see. Thanks. I've not seen that before.
Looks like a creature Doug Jones would happily suit up as :)
TC
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 30, 2020, 08:31:39 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 30, 2020, 08:31:39 PM
https://youtu.be/-xRASv3SCYk (https://youtu.be/-xRASv3SCYk)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: TC on May 31, 2020, 06:28:18 AM
Post by: TC on May 31, 2020, 06:28:18 AM
Jim Cameron and Jon Landau (producer) flew back into the country today to resume Avatar production. Which is good news. Cranking up our film industry post-Covid is important for our film workers and economy as a whole.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336159
TC
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336159
TC
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2020, 03:08:00 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2020, 03:08:00 AM
I wouldn't say the US is post-covid at this point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Jun 01, 2020, 04:24:21 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 01, 2020, 04:24:21 AM
Good thing he's talking about New Zealand then.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: TC on Jun 01, 2020, 06:14:35 AM
Post by: TC on Jun 01, 2020, 06:14:35 AM
Yes. NZ. I should have said.
Australia, NZ and Iceland have done good jobs fighting their local infections so this (hopefully) will pay off in re-opening our respective film production schedules.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/movies/virus-filming-details.html?action=click&block=more_in_recirc&impression_id=492722835&index=3&pgtype=Article®ion=footer
One thing we have in common is small populations in island nations. Of course, Australia is geographically large but still surrounded by ocean,and not so greatly populated. South Africa has twice the pop. but opened its film industry a month ago, despite infection rates climbing (even to this day). They published this film industry code of practice to try and mitigate the dangers (for those curious):
https://www.juicefilm.tv/news/south-africa-reopens-for-filming-2
In NZ Weta Digital implemented a work-from-home scheme for their digital artists:
https://variety.com/2020/artisans/production/weta-digital-coronavirus-pandemic-1234593157/?fbclid=IwAR3ptDJtObJitBkLWgr8CdP_lo1LN0jvfKccvKWbeXJLk0ywLt_Q3Ymi8Es
I dare say Australia could easily do the same thing (if not already) for post-production teams.
TC
Australia, NZ and Iceland have done good jobs fighting their local infections so this (hopefully) will pay off in re-opening our respective film production schedules.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/movies/virus-filming-details.html?action=click&block=more_in_recirc&impression_id=492722835&index=3&pgtype=Article®ion=footer
One thing we have in common is small populations in island nations. Of course, Australia is geographically large but still surrounded by ocean,and not so greatly populated. South Africa has twice the pop. but opened its film industry a month ago, despite infection rates climbing (even to this day). They published this film industry code of practice to try and mitigate the dangers (for those curious):
https://www.juicefilm.tv/news/south-africa-reopens-for-filming-2
In NZ Weta Digital implemented a work-from-home scheme for their digital artists:
https://variety.com/2020/artisans/production/weta-digital-coronavirus-pandemic-1234593157/?fbclid=IwAR3ptDJtObJitBkLWgr8CdP_lo1LN0jvfKccvKWbeXJLk0ywLt_Q3Ymi8Es
I dare say Australia could easily do the same thing (if not already) for post-production teams.
TC
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jun 01, 2020, 06:15:50 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 01, 2020, 06:15:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 01, 2020, 04:24:21 AM
Good thing he's talking about New Zealand then.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SorrowfulImpassionedHookersealion-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: TC on Jun 01, 2020, 09:27:29 AM
Post by: TC on Jun 01, 2020, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 01, 2020, 06:15:50 AM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SorrowfulImpassionedHookersealion-size_restricted.gif
Dammit! Someone else who's hacked my Facebook account and found my 21st birthday videos!
TC
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 01, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 01, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
Jim will spend 14 days in quarantine before filming for the Avatar sequels in NZ begins.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1U8k9p1Al/?igshid=bktxsdf4ho0v
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1U8k9p1Al/?igshid=bktxsdf4ho0v
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 01, 2020, 04:24:21 AM
Good thing he's talking about New Zealand then.
Can they keep Jim there?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Jun 02, 2020, 12:16:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 02, 2020, 12:16:31 AM
He has a home there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Jun 02, 2020, 12:29:55 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 02, 2020, 12:29:55 AM
Perfect!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 02, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 02, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 02, 2020, 12:16:31 AM
He has a home there.
Hell, he owns a sizable chunk of one of the two main islands.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 02, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 02, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Jim is an aquatic Peter Weyland.
(https://i.imgur.com/epOSu2T.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/epOSu2T.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 02, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 02, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Only if he is a stoner.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 02, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 02, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
Jim is a less malevolent version of Stromberg from The Spy Who Loved Me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2020, 03:30:39 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2020, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: David Thewlis via Games Radar"I am a Na'vi, I'm a blue thing in it – which I didn't quite understand when I went to meet [Cameron]. I was quite surprised when I got offered that. I'm fascinated to see how I'm going to look, because they sort of make them look a bit like oneself. It's fantastic!"
https://twitter.com/totalfilm/status/1266845844311080960
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2020, 04:34:50 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2020, 04:34:50 PM
He is an interesting choice for it, just like Kate Winslet. Lot of great actors I see joining the team
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 03, 2020, 04:56:54 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jun 03, 2020, 04:56:54 PM
He sounds like he understands what's going on slightly than he did with say, Dr. Moreau.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jun 16, 2020, 05:49:23 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jun 16, 2020, 05:49:23 PM
QuoteFrom the New Zealand set of the Avatar sequels, we're grateful to be safely back in action. Follow @jonplandau for more sneak peeks! 👀
https://www.instagram.com/jonplandau/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jun 16, 2020, 08:27:21 PM
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jun 16, 2020, 08:27:21 PM
2009. 12 years. Jim is too slow.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jun 24, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jun 24, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1275834318380654592
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 24, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 24, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 24, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1275834318380654592
It must be a Na'vi riding one of the plesiosaur-like creatures (or something similar) from past concept art.
(https://i.imgur.com/v1WCnqO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iGzSIaG.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jun 24, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 24, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Am I the only one who got Resurrection vibes from it ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 24, 2020, 09:10:17 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 24, 2020, 09:10:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zOqW52M.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/9SSC0hb.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/9SSC0hb.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jun 28, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
Post by: ace3g on Jun 28, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
QuoteFinally received permission to post an image from the Avatar set 😱 Here I am rehearsing for an upcoming action scene!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jul 01, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jul 01, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1278372506039173120
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jul 02, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jul 02, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
Why ? Why do they look like cupcakes with a bit of shit on top of them ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Jul 02, 2020, 09:53:22 AM
Post by: irn on Jul 02, 2020, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 01, 2020, 07:37:41 PMCan't wait for the 100 Years of Production cupcakes on the Avatar 2 set.
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1278372506039173120
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jul 23, 2020, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jul 23, 2020, 09:24:14 PM
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1286407135723569152
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1286406755698634752
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1286406755698634752
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 23, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 23, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
I was wondering if this was going to be the case, or if perhaps 2 was ok and this was more so hitting the later films. That answers that.
In Jimbo I trust.
In Jimbo I trust.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 02:00:19 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 02:00:19 AM
December 2022 now? Oy....
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 03:28:37 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 03:28:37 AM
Coroni giveth...........and Coroni taketh away.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
I was expecting it delayed anyway, considering JC's Avatar sequel track record. i remember when Avatar 2 was announced for 2014...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Jul 24, 2020, 04:43:01 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 24, 2020, 04:43:01 AM
2022: "Dude, I can't believe Avatar 2 got delayed again!"
2032: "Not now kids, there was another delay. Daddy's just trying to process"
2072: "Nurse look! Avatar 2 has a release date again...oh...my heart!....-------------"
2172: "Subject 0824-65. Suspended animation pending release of...Avatar sequel. ...What the hell is Avatar?"
2032: "Not now kids, there was another delay. Daddy's just trying to process"
2072: "Nurse look! Avatar 2 has a release date again...oh...my heart!....-------------"
2172: "Subject 0824-65. Suspended animation pending release of...Avatar sequel. ...What the hell is Avatar?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jul 24, 2020, 06:56:08 AM
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Jul 24, 2020, 06:56:08 AM
2009. 13 years waiting for only 1 sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 24, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 24, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
I was expecting it delayed anyway, considering JC's Avatar sequel track record. i remember when Avatar 2 was announced for 2014...
Jimbo is the George R.R Martin of the film industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Aug 02, 2020, 01:10:39 AM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 02, 2020, 01:10:39 AM
QuoteVerified
Jim gathered the crew to show them three scenes with near finished visual effects from Weta Digital. Everyone was excited and pumped up to get back to work. Look forward to when we are able to share with you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 02, 2020, 02:48:28 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 02, 2020, 02:48:28 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 24, 2020, 06:13:21 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
I was expecting it delayed anyway, considering JC's Avatar sequel track record. i remember when Avatar 2 was announced for 2014...
Jimbo is the George R.R Martin of the film industry.
In order to do something so complex, (I can already taste the substance) Jimbo has to look, think and be his creation.
(https://i.ibb.co/7X26Jg2/Pics-Art-08-01-10-35-02.jpg)
That takes time unfortunately :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Aug 02, 2020, 04:15:08 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Aug 02, 2020, 04:15:08 AM
He'll really open Pandora's box on that one.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 02, 2020, 06:24:50 AM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 02, 2020, 06:24:50 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 02, 2020, 02:48:28 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 24, 2020, 06:13:21 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:56:02 AM
I was expecting it delayed anyway, considering JC's Avatar sequel track record. i remember when Avatar 2 was announced for 2014...
Jimbo is the George R.R Martin of the film industry.
In order to do something so complex, (I can already taste the substance) Jimbo has to look, think and be his creation.
https://i.ibb.co/7X26Jg2/Pics-Art-08-01-10-35-02.jpg
That takes time unfortunately :-\
f**king horrific shit :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Aug 02, 2020, 03:20:39 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 02, 2020, 03:20:39 PM
Avatar? Yes, it was.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
Stephen Lang wasn't that scary.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 03, 2020, 02:39:05 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 03, 2020, 02:39:05 AM
So if I've got this right -
Avatar 2 - 2022
Star Wars - 2023
Avatar 3 - 2024
Star Wars - 2025
Avatar 4 - 2026
Star Wars - 2027
Avatar 5 - 2028
Avatar 2 - 2022
Star Wars - 2023
Avatar 3 - 2024
Star Wars - 2025
Avatar 4 - 2026
Star Wars - 2027
Avatar 5 - 2028
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Aug 03, 2020, 03:59:49 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 03, 2020, 03:59:49 AM
Like crap dominoes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2020, 04:35:16 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2020, 04:35:16 AM
Avatar is far from my my favorite Cameron film, but I do enjoy it a lot and the actual filmmaking is astounding. And I'm not just taking the effects themselves, that all goes without saying. The way he shoots those animated parts of the movie in the same exact way that one would if it was all live action, in-camera footage is superb and a huge part of the reason why it still looks so damn great eleven years later.
I love the world of the first one and while I'm certainly not clamoring for a sequel, I am clamoring for more Jimbo. This is the way I'm going to get that, and I am very ok going on some more rides with these characters.
Also, as an aside, Avatar probably looks and feels more like classic Bungie-era Halo than any actual live action Halo stuff that's ever been put out.
I love the world of the first one and while I'm certainly not clamoring for a sequel, I am clamoring for more Jimbo. This is the way I'm going to get that, and I am very ok going on some more rides with these characters.
Also, as an aside, Avatar probably looks and feels more like classic Bungie-era Halo than any actual live action Halo stuff that's ever been put out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
In Jimbo I trust
https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=157 (https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=157)
https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=157 (https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=157)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 03, 2020, 08:35:04 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 03, 2020, 08:35:04 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 03, 2020, 03:59:49 AM
Like crap dominoes.
:D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Aug 04, 2020, 09:39:16 PM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 04, 2020, 09:39:16 PM
QuoteThe Crabsuit... a human driven multifunction submersible. One of the many new RDA vehicles that will be seen in the Avatar sequels.
I want one!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 04, 2020, 09:46:58 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 04, 2020, 09:46:58 PM
OK I am really liking this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Aug 04, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Aug 04, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
So, an Abyss crossover? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 04, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
So, an Abyss crossover? ;D
My safest bet is that the sea angel was trying to abduct the main dude in order to feed the Na'vi with his flesh. That ship was leading to Pandora.
(https://i.ibb.co/bKjCdSt/gif.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/H2LrqrS/vlcsnap-2017-01-20-20h04m50s939.png)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Aug 04, 2020, 11:29:27 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 04, 2020, 11:29:27 PM
Merely an extended anal probing.
Sea aliens are much more thorough.
Sea aliens are much more thorough.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2020, 08:04:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2020, 08:04:12 AM
Snipped. Let's not snark each other please.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 05, 2020, 04:06:50 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 05, 2020, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 04, 2020, 09:39:16 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDepxzqpxXr/QuoteThe Crabsuit... a human driven multifunction submersible. One of the many new RDA vehicles that will be seen in the Avatar sequels.
I want one!
Always nice to see what new sci-fi hardware Jim comes up with.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Aug 12, 2020, 04:52:24 PM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 12, 2020, 04:52:24 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1293585247280365568
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1293585380898308096
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1293585380898308096
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 12, 2020, 05:02:10 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 12, 2020, 05:02:10 PM
Jimbo...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 12, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 12, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Aug 14, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
Post by: Gazz on Aug 14, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
We did a THE ABYSS episode of the show if anyone's interesting in listening.
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1294179540189806593
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1294179540189806593
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2020, 09:39:09 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2020, 09:39:09 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEFgsrCJdbX/?igshid=1lqlckc6bqohr
In case you were wondering how long Avatar 2 has been shooting for. :D
In case you were wondering how long Avatar 2 has been shooting for. :D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 22, 2020, 09:52:08 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Aug 22, 2020, 09:52:08 PM
I love the crab mech thing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 22, 2020, 09:59:48 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 22, 2020, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2020, 09:39:09 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEFgsrCJdbX/?igshid=1lqlckc6bqohr
In case you were wondering how long Avatar 2 has been shooting for. :D
They probably had to reshoot all of his scenes every 2-3 years
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Aug 24, 2020, 04:15:04 PM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 24, 2020, 04:15:04 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1297929867040706572
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Aug 27, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
Post by: ace3g on Aug 27, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1299016568433774592
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
QuoteWhat is certain is that, in the coming years, she will appear in two of the most anticipated movies of all time: Avatar 2 and 3, playing a character named Ronal. It marks her first time working with performance capture and her second time teaming with Cameron (she shot the films back in 2018 in New Zealand).
"I had to learn how to free-dive to play that role in Avatar, and that was just incredible. My longest breath hold was seven minutes and 14 seconds, like crazy, crazy stuff." She stops herself, afraid that she's given away too much on the top-secret project. "Oh no, actually, I can't. Yeah, I play a water person. I am a water person," is all she will offer, instead shifting to praise of Cameron.
"It was so wonderful to work with Jim again," she says of a director known for both his brilliant innovation and his hard-driving personality. "Time has changed him. Jim has become a father a few more times over. He is a calmer person. Chilled. You can just feel him enjoying it more this time."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/oh-f-ive-forgotten-how-to-act-kate-winslet-back-in-the-awards-race-with-same-sex-romance-ammonite-on-getting-back-to-work
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Sep 10, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Post by: ace3g on Sep 10, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 23, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 23, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1308818437771202560
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Whos_Nick on Sep 25, 2020, 04:36:56 AM
Post by: Whos_Nick on Sep 25, 2020, 04:36:56 AM
Little update on filming
https://twitter.com/Whos_Nick/status/1309346591392768001
https://twitter.com/Whos_Nick/status/1309346591392768001
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2020, 05:30:22 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2020, 05:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1313156125513019392
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Huggs on Oct 05, 2020, 11:57:17 PM
Post by: Huggs on Oct 05, 2020, 11:57:17 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 05, 2020, 05:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1313156125513019392
He's saying "the Na'Vi are tall, but we have them by the nuts."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 12, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 12, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1315693284711432199
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
I just hope to watch them before I die...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 12, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 12, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
Have you considered transferring your consciousness into a large blue humanoid body to extend you lifespan until then?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 11:08:37 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 11:08:37 PM
You mean...
Back to seriousness, YES! I've already considered, cos:
1) I'm a Jonesy 😼
2) The Na'vi are feline enough to be compatible with my cat soul ;)
3) I've always dreamed of being a very tall blue space cat 8)
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/dM6GV32/f1030a0d8837d1bbd53721e7479c61c7.gif)
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Back to seriousness, YES! I've already considered, cos:
1) I'm a Jonesy 😼
2) The Na'vi are feline enough to be compatible with my cat soul ;)
3) I've always dreamed of being a very tall blue space cat 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2020, 12:30:26 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2020, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
I just hope to watch them before I die...
I still think this wont be the actual release date
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 13, 2020, 04:25:15 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 13, 2020, 04:25:15 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2020, 12:30:26 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
I just hope to watch them before I die...
I still think this wont be the actual release date
(https://i.ibb.co/gtBffFM/tumblr-mt5j0g-Ie-SF1rubyugo1-500.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 19, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 19, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1318204758818127874
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 20, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 20, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Sigourney Weaver trained to film the underwater scenes, according with this recent interview.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1318289095697879043
Quote from: Weaver via New York TimesIn "Avatar 2," which is largely finished but not scheduled for release until December 2022 — to be followed by several planned sequels — she shot many of her scenes underwater. Never mind that she was closing in on 70. (She's now 71.) Or that the preparation included dives in Key West, Fla., and in Hawaii, where she reclined on the ocean floor while manta rays glided over her. Or that she needed to train with an expert who had coached elite military divers so that she could hold her breath, after a big gulp of supplemental oxygen, for more than six minutes. That made the part more attractive to her. "My hope is that what I receive from the universe is even more outrageous than anything I can think of," she told me. "I don't really say to myself, 'Well, you can't do this.' Or, 'You can't do that.' Let me at it! And we'll see."
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1318289095697879043
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 20, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 20, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
Very curious about what the nature of her role is going to be. A "copy," perhaps, of Grace's mind and personality that Eywa uploads into a new Na'vi/Avatar body?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 21, 2020, 12:11:52 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 21, 2020, 12:11:52 AM
That seems to be the most likely.
Title: Re: James Cameron\'s Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Oct 21, 2020, 11:45:57 AM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 21, 2020, 11:45:57 AM
The more blue smurfs - the better
I think, she is getting Resurrection vibes from it
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 20, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Sigourney Weaver trained to film the underwater scenes
I think, she is getting Resurrection vibes from it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Oct 26, 2020, 05:18:02 PM
Post by: ace3g on Oct 26, 2020, 05:18:02 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1320771383396388866
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2020, 05:42:02 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2020, 05:42:02 PM
Seven minutes is most impressive considering most people can't hold their breath for longer than 2 minutes.
Is Kate looking for Leo under the water with that famous Titanic pose?
Is Kate looking for Leo under the water with that famous Titanic pose?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I dislike Avatar but I love Stephen Lang. Where is he?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I dislike Avatar but I love Stephen Lang. Where is he?
No pics yet, but he's in the sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 08:32:50 PM
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 06:52:27 PMGreat. He was a very cool villainQuote from: RidleyScott99 on Oct 26, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I dislike Avatar but I love Stephen Lang. Where is he?
No pics yet, but he's in the sequels.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
Oh, come on ! Do they have balls to kill at least someone permanently ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 08:58:20 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 08:58:20 PM
When they are valuable characters that attract butts to the seats, I don't think so. They can't be dead forever. They're like incense from Pokemon go :-X
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
f**king shit hell goddammit
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2020, 03:56:27 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2020, 03:56:27 AM
Technically, we don't know if these actors are actually reprising their roles directly.
Eywa may potentially be "uploading" a copy of Grace's mind into a new body, but I feel like Eywa wouldn't have much motivation to do the same for Quaritch. Whoever/whatever Lang is playing, I don't expect it to be a proper reprisal of his role from the first film.
Eywa may potentially be "uploading" a copy of Grace's mind into a new body, but I feel like Eywa wouldn't have much motivation to do the same for Quaritch. Whoever/whatever Lang is playing, I don't expect it to be a proper reprisal of his role from the first film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 04, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 04, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
I had no idea there was a game on the way. Silly of me :laugh:
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1323686679291547649
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1323686679291547649
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 04, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 04, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
wut ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 04, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 04, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 04, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
wut ?
Don't spend your whole life asking questions mate.
(https://i.ibb.co/vDPsyZ2/a1b.gif)
:) ;)
(https://i.ibb.co/GdJbyWW/Pics-Art-11-04-10-18-36.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 04, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 04, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
That GIF scares me
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 07:53:14 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 07:53:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JimCameron/status/1338927618771587074
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 14, 2021, 08:51:34 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 14, 2021, 08:51:34 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKCHI3aIpgv/?igshid=1mfw0t9hha8it
QuoteTomorrow, as part of our Behind Pandora stories, we will be featuring concept artist Jonathan Bach. In advance of that, I thought I would share a concept illustration he created of the Metkayina village. This is just one of the many incredible images that he and the rest of our art department have created for the Avatar sequels. Thank you to everyone on the production design team!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2021, 08:58:57 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2021, 08:58:57 PM
"But Jim, you've already made two movies heavily focused on the ocean..." "MORE OCEAN!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 15, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 15, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
He'll build underwater movie theater for Avatar 2. AND YOU GONNA WATCH IT !!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 17, 2021, 03:05:30 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 17, 2021, 03:05:30 AM
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/u5zqQryFDvrrML9XyB9iJ6-1200-80.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 17, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 17, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
(https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/168/168498.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 04:23:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 04:23:52 PM
QuoteJames Cameron has always pushed technology forward on all of his movies. What was he doing on the Avatar sequels that you think everyone will be doing in a few years?
WEAVER: The way I look at Jim's movies, what I think will surprise people is what amazingly intense emotional stories these are. So, yes, we did great state-of-the-art performance capture and goodness knows all of the other things that he doing underwater, that will be dazzling technically. What I really admire is that he's often invented a lot of these things because he wants the emotional power of the stories to come through. In that sense, he's a real traditionalist, as well. He's not doing far off, crazy sci-fi stuff. He's really telling a very intimate story about an indigenous people and the corporations that come and almost wipe them out.
https://collider.com/sigourney-weaver-interview-my-salinger-year-alien-movies-franchise/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 09, 2021, 06:55:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 09, 2021, 06:55:15 PM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1369327975041277955
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 09, 2021, 07:00:36 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 09, 2021, 07:00:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2HL2Ufl.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:24 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:24 PM
Avengers Endgame: Hi sweetie. I'm the highest-grossing film of all time. If you'll excuse me I'm going to rest in my throne.
Avatar: Hey you! Come back here and hold my beer.
EDIT~
Avatar: And don't sit on my throne.
Avatar: Hey you! Come back here and hold my beer.
EDIT~
Avatar: And don't sit on my throne.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Looking forward to it. When it eventually releases.
The Blockbuster-ology.
The Blockbuster-ology.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 08:06:49 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Looking forward to it. When it eventually releases.
First one's coming december 2098
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2021, 12:51:35 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2021, 12:51:35 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1370673026610688001
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Mar 13, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
Post by: ace3g on Mar 13, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
Russo bros post
https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/1370790032114479104
https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/1370790032114479104
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Mar 14, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Mar 14, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 08:06:49 PMQuote from: Trash Queen on Mar 09, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Looking forward to it. When it eventually releases.
First one's coming december 2098
Enjoying Avatar 2 in post-COVID theatres like -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjamescamerononline.com%2Fwecantoot22.png&hash=5ffcc1406edb377945ac7569e4d0329509942a8f)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 14, 2021, 08:09:37 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 14, 2021, 08:09:37 PM
Or Avatar 3, 4 and beyond! :laugh:
(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/LeanImpartialDevilfish-size_restricted.gif)
(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/LeanImpartialDevilfish-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
Avatar 5 is the best one, though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 05:14:36 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 05:14:36 AM
Avatar has done the impossible... it made George R. R. Martin seem fast.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Biomechanoid on Mar 15, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Mar 15, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
Everything and the kitchen sink for Avatar 2009 here.... http://scifimoviezone.com/avatarmain.shtml
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Fimageavatarplot%2Fscriptment005.jpg&hash=5f4c2aa86615b3591cb1df48d9bba6db878ada6f)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Fimageavatarplot%2Fscriptment005.jpg&hash=5f4c2aa86615b3591cb1df48d9bba6db878ada6f)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 12:15:38 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 13, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
Russo bros post
https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/1370790032114479104
That's a classy move. Fair play.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2021, 02:07:51 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2021, 02:07:51 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1371824946683510784
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2021, 01:42:21 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2021, 01:42:21 AM
Quote from: James Cameron"When I sat down to write the sequels, I knew there were going to be three at the time and eventually it turned into four, I put together a group of writers and said, 'I don't want to hear anybody's new ideas or anyone's pitches until we have spent some time figuring out what worked on the first film, what connected, and why it worked,'" Cameron continued. "They kept wanting to talk about the new stories. I said, 'We aren't doing that yet.' Eventually I had to threaten to fire them all because they were doing what writers do, which is to try and create new stories. I said, 'We need to understand what the connection was and protect it, protect that ember and that flame.'"
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1377683680563367936
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Apr 04, 2021, 07:24:57 AM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 04, 2021, 07:24:57 AM
April 1, eh ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 12:59:21 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2021, 01:42:21 AMQuote from: James Cameron"When I sat down to write the sequels, I knew there were going to be three at the time and eventually it turned into four, I put together a group of writers and said, 'I don't want to hear anybody's new ideas or anyone's pitches until we have spent some time figuring out what worked on the first film, what connected, and why it worked,'" Cameron continued. "They kept wanting to talk about the new stories. I said, 'We aren't doing that yet.' Eventually I had to threaten to fire them all because they were doing what writers do, which is to try and create new stories. I said, 'We need to understand what the connection was and protect it, protect that ember and that flame.'"
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1377683680563367936
I wish he did this on Dark Fate.... :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 12:59:21 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2021, 01:42:21 AMQuote from: James Cameron"When I sat down to write the sequels, I knew there were going to be three at the time and eventually it turned into four, I put together a group of writers and said, 'I don't want to hear anybody's new ideas or anyone's pitches until we have spent some time figuring out what worked on the first film, what connected, and why it worked,'" Cameron continued. "They kept wanting to talk about the new stories. I said, 'We aren't doing that yet.' Eventually I had to threaten to fire them all because they were doing what writers do, which is to try and create new stories. I said, 'We need to understand what the connection was and protect it, protect that ember and that flame.'"
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1377683680563367936
I wish he did this on Dark Fate.... :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 21, 2021, 04:36:19 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 21, 2021, 04:36:19 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN70sDzpui5/?igshid=1nk504a0yb5eu
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 12, 2021, 08:27:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 12, 2021, 08:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1392550326452953090
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1402323745033785346
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2021, 02:32:47 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2021, 02:32:47 AM
Has there ever been a director as thematically influenced by the sea as James Cameron?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 12, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 12, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
First look at the video game! The film's visual style translates pretty beautifully here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axmg1E4HrVE
Confirmed to be open world:
https://twitter.com/jonlandau/status/1403810155901468672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axmg1E4HrVE
Confirmed to be open world:
https://twitter.com/jonlandau/status/1403810155901468672
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 24, 2021, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 24, 2021, 09:38:44 PM
Ubisoft's so evil it's difficult to care sadly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2021, 04:36:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 02, 2021, 04:36:47 PM
10th anniversary, so this must be from 2019, but it was just uploaded today and I haven't seen it before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C_4AizhJRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C_4AizhJRM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2021, 02:29:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2021, 02:29:06 PM
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1424014292760752131
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
Is there ever a chance to watch those?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
Avatar 5 ? God save us all ...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2021, 03:47:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2021, 03:47:01 PM
Jimbo gonna Jimbo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2021, 04:17:42 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2021, 04:17:42 PM
I doubt we'll even see the second in my life time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 07, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 07, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Does anyone care anymore? I completely lost interest few years ago.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 04:54:37 PM
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 04:54:37 PM
I care for AvP. AVATAR vs Predator would be a dream come true.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Blue elves wouldn't stand a chance
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
Post by: Master on Aug 07, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
They say that Na'vi are very hard to kill. Predator like challenge.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Aug 07, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Post by: nanison on Aug 07, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
I personally don't understand the hate for avatar. It is not one of my faves but it was fun and spectacular. We know how big Cameron thinks, I have no doubt this is going to be huge. There also seems to be a huge trust in the films otherwise they wouldn't plan that far ahead.
I wouldn't be surprised if this franchise becomes the next cultural behemoth ( like star wars, jurassic park, lord of the rings and marvel)
I personally don't understand the hate for avatar. It is not one of my faves but it was fun and spectacular. We know how big Cameron thinks, I have no doubt this is going to be huge. There also seems to be a huge trust in the films otherwise they wouldn't plan that far ahead.
I wouldn't be surprised if this franchise becomes the next cultural behemoth ( like star wars, jurassic park, lord of the rings and marvel)
I wouldn't be surprised if this franchise becomes the next cultural behemoth ( like star wars, jurassic park, lord of the rings and marvel)
I personally don't understand the hate for avatar. It is not one of my faves but it was fun and spectacular. We know how big Cameron thinks, I have no doubt this is going to be huge. There also seems to be a huge trust in the films otherwise they wouldn't plan that far ahead.
I wouldn't be surprised if this franchise becomes the next cultural behemoth ( like star wars, jurassic park, lord of the rings and marvel)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 07, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 07, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2021, 04:17:42 PM
I doubt we'll even see the second in my life time.
(https://s6.gifyu.com/images/5iwvcg.gif)
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 07, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Blue elves wouldn't stand a chance
According to the man, his dinosaur-size space panther can eat the queen as a snack. Not to mention, the Na'vi can establish a symbiosis with the powerful creatures of their world in combat.
Edit: Also they are taller than certain humanoids from the Alien world. 🙄
(https://i.ibb.co/ZW9FjHw/Dz-Of-Cx-HXg-AAIMc3-removebg-preview.png)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 08, 2021, 04:35:31 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 08, 2021, 04:35:31 AM
I don't hate Avatar, but I found that in my imagination the original scriptment (which is still very similar) captured more magic to me than the actual movie did. But I also knew that he wanted to do multiple movies, so I'll wait and see what the final product looks like. Some characters are better over multiple movies than they are in single ones which I think will benefit multiple characters from the first film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: nanison on Aug 07, 2021, 06:47:46 PMI personally don't understand the hate for avatar.
Me either. People love to bash it because it's just a remake of Pocahontas, but so was The Last Samurai and that film's amazing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Aug 08, 2021, 07:18:45 PM
Post by: Master on Aug 08, 2021, 07:18:45 PM
Not only I don't hate it, I enjoy it allot. Plot is simple, but the world building is stunning . I do understand the bitterness that awaiting for those many sequels created in Avatar fans. The series is overstaying it's phenomenal entry so much, that many People don't care anymore.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 08, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 08, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
I loved how Cameron made the sometimes metaphysical concept of Gaia believable.
Not to mention the superb work the concept artists did. Some designs at the height of the work of someone like Alex Ries;
~ Which is not entirely surprising once you learn that the great Wayne Barlowe worked on the movie. 8)
https://youtu.be/Hm1JFLpkofs
Not to mention the superb work the concept artists did. Some designs at the height of the work of someone like Alex Ries;
(https://i.ibb.co/WcBrNpT/alex-ries-ci-dawn-farm03b.jpg)
~ Which is not entirely surprising once you learn that the great Wayne Barlowe worked on the movie. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 09, 2021, 05:04:44 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 09, 2021, 05:04:44 AM
https://youtu.be/tL5sX8VmvB8
Watch it
Watch it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Aug 09, 2021, 05:16:37 AM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 09, 2021, 05:16:37 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 09, 2021, 05:04:44 AM
https://youtu.be/tL5sX8VmvB8
Watch it
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/26xBttte4gMYMfoeQ/200.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 09, 2021, 05:26:16 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 09, 2021, 05:26:16 AM
I feel speechless but enlightenmed. Thank you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1432365820093423622
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 09, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 09, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1468628610185449472
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2021, 04:31:50 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2021, 04:31:50 PM
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1470771831359647757
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Dec 14, 2021, 08:22:28 PM
Post by: nanison on Dec 14, 2021, 08:22:28 PM
Nobody realizes it yet, there's jokes going around, nobody looks forward to it. BUT you can bet your ass it is going to be special. James Cameron always delivers so I fully expect that he will surprise us all with the coming sequels. His only failed film (the abyss) was still a jaw dropping spectacle for the sheer scale of it all.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2021, 02:31:50 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2021, 02:31:50 AM
I actually really enjoyed the DC (or se can't remember) of the Abyss. Think it and True Lies are underrated Cameron classics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2021, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2021, 10:38:48 AM
The Abyss is great and the extended cut definitely improves it, but it still suffers from a lacklustre ending.
True Lies is far and away Cameron's most underrated movie imo. I think it's one of the best action comedies ever made.
True Lies is far and away Cameron's most underrated movie imo. I think it's one of the best action comedies ever made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
James Cameron and Denis Villeneuve Talk 'Avatar,' 'Dune' and the Future of Movies
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/denis-villeneuve-james-cameron-avatar-dune-1235132632/
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/denis-villeneuve-james-cameron-avatar-dune-1235132632/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1472975667482480641
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
At last this begins to seem close and not like Terri Giliam's The Man Who Killed Don Quixote :laugh:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/phew-DMID1-5oundqqmc-256x192.gif)
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/phew-DMID1-5oundqqmc-256x192.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
How long before Cameron goes full Spy Who Loved Me and tries to make everybody live underwater? ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 01, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 01, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
For reals ?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
How long before Cameron goes full Spy Who Loved Me and tries to make everybody live underwater? ;D
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2022, 11:50:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2022, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
How long before Cameron goes full Spy Who Loved Me and tries to make everybody live underwater? ;D
So long as I get a Lotus submarine I'm absolutely fine with this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Jan 02, 2022, 07:48:38 PM
Post by: irn on Jan 02, 2022, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
I want to believe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 09:51:02 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 02, 2022, 07:48:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
I want to believe.
I say they delay untill December of 2029.....make it a nice round 20yrs since the first movie 🤣
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 09:51:02 PMQuote from: irn on Jan 02, 2022, 07:48:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
I want to believe.
I say they delay untill December of 2029.....make it a nice round 20yrs since the first movie 🤣
But in 2029 we should be celebrating the one year anniversary of Avatar 5!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 10:47:47 PM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2022, 10:29:05 PMQuote from: chrisr232007 on Jan 02, 2022, 09:51:02 PMQuote from: irn on Jan 02, 2022, 07:48:38 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 01, 2022, 08:30:00 PM
Happy 2022, the year that Avatar 2 actually releases!
I want to believe.
I say they delay untill December of 2029.....make it a nice round 20yrs since the first movie 🤣
But in 2029 we should be celebrating the one year anniversary of Avatar 5!
Lmao one can only hope that will be true. I really need to rewatch the first one because it's been about 10 years since I last watched it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 15, 2022, 02:07:01 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 15, 2022, 02:07:01 AM
https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1481729042491531264
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2022, 01:28:03 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2022, 01:28:03 AM
Looks like Lego apparently has the Avatar license, with sets potentially coming in April. Makes me think that the start of marketing for this thing could be in full swing by next month.
https://www.brickfanatics.com/lego-avatar-sets-rumoured-for-april-2022/
https://www.brickfanatics.com/lego-avatar-sets-rumoured-for-april-2022/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2022, 09:21:14 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2022, 09:21:14 PM
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/1503748184513908736
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2022, 10:09:29 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2022, 10:09:29 PM
I'll believe it when I see it
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
I believe it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2022, 10:33:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2022, 10:33:15 PM
(https://s7.gifyu.com/images/it-is-all-true-han-solo.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2022, 10:42:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2022, 10:42:41 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/y8PsTt9i428AAAAd/avatar-navi.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 15, 2022, 10:46:24 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 15, 2022, 10:46:24 PM
We'll see, I know it has it's stans, I see you gurl.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 09:11:31 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 09:11:31 AM
Call me a cynic, but when was the last time you heard a leading actor say, "Yeah, to be honest it's not as good as the first one..."
Not necessarily saying it's bollocks, but part of her job is to sell the movie.
Not necessarily saying it's bollocks, but part of her job is to sell the movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 09:11:31 AM
Call me a cynic, but when was the last time you heard a leading actor say, "Yeah, to be honest it's not as good as the first one..."
Yes absolutely totally true that 100 % agreed
Don't get me wrong, I love Cameron, he's unironically my childhood hero, I love Aliens, Abyss, first two Terminator movies and Titanic. But my faith in him soured a bit with Dark Fate and whole thing is taking so long to come out I lost any enthusiasm I had towards it.
I would like being proven wrong of course
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 09:11:31 AMShia LaBoufe, Indiana Jones.
Call me a cynic, but when was the last time you heard a leading actor say, "Yeah, to be honest it's not as good as the first one..."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 16, 2022, 11:14:32 AMShia LaBoufe, Indiana Jones.
Touché, but I think you get my point.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
whole thing is taking so long to come out I lost any enthusiasm I had towards it.
Honestly, that's part of what has me so excited at this point. Whatever we're getting out of these films... we're getting something that Cameron has poured himself into for well over a decade at this point. If that isn't a labor of love, I don't know what is. The films being sequels to Avatar is almost besides the point; I'm really just ecstatic to be getting more James Cameron filmmaking, and so much of it, coming from a place of this absolutely earnest desire to create.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
Yeah, it's this decade Boyhood, IT TOOK 13 YEARS TO MAKE !!!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 16, 2022, 02:10:19 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 16, 2022, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2022, 01:15:28 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 16, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
whole thing is taking so long to come out I lost any enthusiasm I had towards it.
Honestly, that's part of what has me so excited at this point. Whatever we're getting out of these films... we're getting something that Cameron has poured himself into for well over a decade at this point. If that isn't a labor of love, I don't know what is. The films being sequels to Avatar is almost besides the point; I'm really just ecstatic to be getting more James Cameron filmmaking, and so much of it, coming from a place of this absolutely earnest desire to create.
I actually agree with this in spite of my mostly apathetic view on the original film.
I highly recommend this to anyone who's interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5sX8VmvB8
That video will be two years old by the end of this month and I think more really ought to see it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 16, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 16, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 16, 2022, 11:14:32 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2022, 09:11:31 AMShia LaBoufe, Indiana Jones.
Call me a cynic, but when was the last time you heard a leading actor say, "Yeah, to be honest it's not as good as the first one..."
True but note that Shia LaBoufe made those comments a while after the movie had already been released. Also note, that it essentially got him blacklisted by Steven Spielberg and ensured that he wouldn't be asked to return for Indiana Jones V. The point being that LaBoufe is the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 22, 2022, 01:14:20 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 22, 2022, 01:14:20 AM
Not confirmed, but...
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1506061489802813443
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1506061489802813443
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 22, 2022, 01:36:54 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 22, 2022, 01:36:54 AM
Let's hope this finally comes out and Cameron can finally make the blu-ray transfer for True Lies.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 22, 2022, 01:53:19 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 22, 2022, 01:53:19 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 22, 2022, 01:36:54 AM
Let's hope this finally comes out and Cameron can finally make the blu-ray transfer for True Lies.
He still has to finish making Avatar 3, 4 and 5 first.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 24, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 24, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
https://twitter.com/itsRyanUnicomb/status/1517993387710087168
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 24, 2022, 04:40:54 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 24, 2022, 04:40:54 PM
Wednesday then. Is Cinema Con open to the public or industry only?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Seems like the CinemaCon presentation is all but confirmed now:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-2-cinemacon-james-cameron-1235131009/
https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1519034704653164544
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-2-cinemacon-james-cameron-1235131009/
https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1519034704653164544
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 12:37:42 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 12:37:42 AM
(https://s7.gifyu.com/images/giphye7ebdbecbe9dd528.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 27, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 27, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1519383504584249344
Expect tons of dodgy bootlegs doing the rounds on the internet then... ::)
Expect tons of dodgy bootlegs doing the rounds on the internet then... ::)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
And the first film is getting a theatrical re-release in September.
https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1519392503731916800
All in on whatever Jimbo's up to here. 8)
https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1519392503731916800
All in on whatever Jimbo's up to here. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on Apr 27, 2022, 09:20:27 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Apr 27, 2022, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1519383504584249344
Bwhahahaha. Such a hippy subtitle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 09:43:38 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 09:43:38 PM
Pandora's biology is fascinating. I'm not so invested in the story, but rather in the creatures and the planet.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
I will admit to being curious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 09:43:38 PMPandora's biology is fascinating. I'm not so invested in the story, but rather in the creatures and the planet.
Yeah, this was what really grabbed me in the first one, coupled with the future military tech. I'll always have time for Cameron doing future military tech.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 28, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 28, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Can't wait for the 2030 release date! :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:01:05 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:01:05 PM
Higher res official posting of the title card:
https://twitter.com/20thcentury/status/1519422681711480832
https://twitter.com/20thcentury/status/1519422681711480832
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:01:05 PMTook them long enougb lets hope the humans actually beat the stone age aliens in a stand up fight and i hope we see some fancy new tech and some new critters
Higher res official posting of the title card:
https://twitter.com/20thcentury/status/1519422681711480832
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
i hope we see some fancy new tech
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EemYvxWUwAEO376?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EemYvxUVAAE_O_K?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
and some new critters
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_Qd9V9VIAUEYVz?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_Qd9qjUYAQE6ML?format=jpg&name=large)
'Avatar 2' Star Sam Worthington Talks 'Mind-Blowing and Marvelous' Sequel
QuoteIt's been 13 years since Sam Worthington starred as Jake Sully in James Cameron's "Avatar," and this week, the first look at its sequel was unveiled.
"When I did the first one, I was 30," Worthington, now 45, told Variety while promoting his new FX true crime series "Under the Banner of Heaven." "And when the second one comes out, I'm gonna be pushing 50. In the first one I was in a wheelchair, you know. And by the time we get to the fourth and fifth, I might actually be in a wheelchair by the time we get to do it."
As announced during Disney's CinemaCon presentation on Wednesday in Las Vegas, the second movie in the franchise, "Avatar: The Way of Water," will be released on Dec. 16. Three additional installments will come out in 2024, 2026 and 2028. The news comes as a massive relief to fans after years of anticipation for a return. It has taken eight years to get "Avatar 2" to the screen after at least seven delays.
"It's great to be a part of such an amazing family and have that longevity," Worthington added. "Jim is a very loyal man and he keeps the same people on board, but I'm a very small cog in this. There's a big creative team behind it, and from what I've seen, it's mind-blowing and marvelous what they're coming up with."
The second installment of Cameron's massive series is set to showcase an underwater vision for the world of the Na'vi. Taking place more than a decade after the events of the first film, "Avatar: The Way of Water" comes back to the Sully family and the trouble that follows them.
Worthington and Zoe Saldana lead the cast of the $250 million-budgeted film. Giovanni Ribisi, Sigourney Weaver, CCH Pounder and Stephen Lang are set to return alongside new faces to the franchise, including Kate Winslet, Vin Diesel, Michelle Yeoh, Edie Falco, Cliff Curtis and Jemaine Clement.
When asked what to expect from the film, Worthington kept it simple: "It's a Jim Cameron movie, man, what do you think?"
In "Under the Banner of Heaven," Dustin Lance Black's limited series adaptation of Jon Krakauer's true-crime novel about two fundamentalist Mormon brothers who kill their sister-in-law and her baby daughter, Worthington plays a brother of the killers.
Worthington had no problem with leaving the darkness of the role on set. "I've got three kids, so you can't really come home with that kind of baggage," he said.
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/avatar-2-sam-worthington-1235253469/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2022, 12:40:23 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2022, 12:40:23 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2022, 02:52:23 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_Qd9V9VIAUEYVz?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_Qd9qjUYAQE6ML?format=jpg&name=large)
I may be biased but I love the design of that creature. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2022, 05:27:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2022, 05:27:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jonlandau/status/1520055309569433600
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: T Dog on Apr 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Post by: T Dog on Apr 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Wait! Is Cameron trying to bring back 3D....again?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Throwing this in a spoiler tag since they aren't technically officially released yet, but here are go! First four stills from The Way of Water:
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/SacnilkEntmt/status/1520338133199769600
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on Apr 30, 2022, 05:27:37 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Apr 30, 2022, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Throwing this in a spoiler tag since they aren't technically officially released yet, but here are go! First four stills from The Way of Water:Spoiler
https://twitter.com/SacnilkEntmt/status/1520338133199769600[close]
Is that Jake Sully in the second shot? He's adopted the white man with dreadlocks look? Yeah, this series officially couldn't get any more hippy dippy if it tried.
(https://i.imgur.com/fOcvyuA.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2022, 05:49:49 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2022, 05:49:49 PM
Jimbo has always been a hippie 8)🌸🌈☮️🌠
(https://i.ibb.co/Nx6Xw21/Pics-Art-04-30-01-44-02.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdxqCQ6/Pics-Art-04-30-01-43-26.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Nx6Xw21/Pics-Art-04-30-01-44-02.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdxqCQ6/Pics-Art-04-30-01-43-26.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 30, 2022, 09:29:22 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 30, 2022, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Apr 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Wait! Is Cameron trying to bring back 3D....again?
Jesus I hope so. For me 3d is the best thing that ever happened to movies in my 36 year old lifetime. When I went to theaters to see It, which was in 2d, after seeing only 3d films it was like (and still is), to me, losing a color. How depth did not make it , as addition to color is beyond me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 30, 2022, 09:35:37 PM
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 30, 2022, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 30, 2022, 05:27:37 PMI think we can all agree hippies no matter if their human or not or if their on a diffrent planet deserve to be eradicated #Team RDAQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Throwing this in a spoiler tag since they aren't technically officially released yet, but here are go! First four stills from The Way of Water:Spoiler
https://twitter.com/SacnilkEntmt/status/1520338133199769600[close]
Is that Jake Sully in the second shot? He's adopted the white man with dreadlocks look? Yeah, this series officially couldn't get any more hippy dippy if it tried.
https://i.imgur.com/fOcvyuA.gif
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 01, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 01, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
I am not going to post it, because I personally want to wait and have my first viewing not look like it was shot on a potato, but for those so inclined to see it immediately.... The Way of Water's trailer is out there. I'm not entirely sure if it is the CinemaCon stuff or the trailer that's being attached to Multiverse of Madness or if those two are exactly the same, but regardless, it is out there.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 01, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 01, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 01, 2022, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 01, 2022, 10:02:08 PM
That's probably the one, then. I have Multiverse of Madness tickets for Thursday afternoon, so I'm going to hold out and wait to see the Avatar: The Way of Water footage on the big screen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on May 03, 2022, 09:48:02 PM
Post by: ace3g on May 03, 2022, 09:48:02 PM
Trailer has been classified
Avatar: The Way Of Water (trailer #1) General May 03, 2022 1:37 Buena Vista Pictures Distribution Canada, Inc
Avatar: The Way Of Water (trailer #1) General May 03, 2022 1:37 Buena Vista Pictures Distribution Canada, Inc
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
How long can this series ride the "avatar" premise? Didn't Sully's human body die in the original? Isn't he now 100% a blue monkey person?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 03, 2022, 10:37:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 03, 2022, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 03, 2022, 10:21:04 PMDidn't Sully's human body die in the original? Isn't he now 100% a blue monkey person?
Yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 03, 2022, 10:44:59 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 03, 2022, 10:44:59 PM
Eh, whatever, to this day I keep forgetting that blue monkeys' race is supposed to be called Navi not Avatar and I'm sure majority of audience does the same mistake so there's no point to hang too much on the semantics
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 04, 2022, 03:03:40 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 04, 2022, 03:03:40 AM
I always thought they were like blue skinned panther-like-people, or space elves. But yeah, whatever 🤷🏼
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on May 07, 2022, 08:14:12 PM
Post by: ace3g on May 07, 2022, 08:14:12 PM
Trailer plays before Doctor Strange.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on May 07, 2022, 08:44:35 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on May 07, 2022, 08:44:35 PM
Yeah it was a pretty neat teaser.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on May 08, 2022, 01:10:24 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on May 08, 2022, 01:10:24 AM
Spoiler
Someone's riding a giant flying fish at the end of the trailer, and I couldn't help but think of Piranha II - Cameron has come full circle in the biggest way possible.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2022, 02:57:36 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2022, 02:57:36 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Mr.Turok on May 09, 2022, 03:17:30 PM
Post by: Mr.Turok on May 09, 2022, 03:17:30 PM
Ahhhhh ya beat me to it!
Looks great, the Avatar films always looked great visually, now I just wonder if the story will be any good.
Looks great, the Avatar films always looked great visually, now I just wonder if the story will be any good.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:45 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 09, 2022, 03:32:45 PM
The CGI in Avatar was pretty groundbreaking and impressive when it was first released in 2009. But in this sequel teaser it still looks the same as the first film, no real notable improvements in the last 12 years.
It's especially noticeable when you have live action actors juxtaposed with CGI characters.
But hopefully this time around Jim will have focused on the story rather than the technology.
It's especially noticeable when you have live action actors juxtaposed with CGI characters.
But hopefully this time around Jim will have focused on the story rather than the technology.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 04:00:34 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 04:00:34 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2022, 02:57:36 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Gx8wiNbs8
Yep, still looks like a videogame cutscene.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on May 09, 2022, 07:25:44 PM
Post by: nanison on May 09, 2022, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 04:00:34 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2022, 02:57:36 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Gx8wiNbs8
Yep, still looks like a videogame cutscene.
Not untrue but the same goes for most fantasy films released these days. Just watch that Godzilla and Kong trailer they did for a call of duty game. It looks just like it does in the actual movies.
Either way it kills the magic of moviemaking for me but I'm pretty sure this is only a problem for people of my generation.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 08:55:43 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: nanison on May 09, 2022, 07:25:44 PMNot untrue but the same goes for most fantasy films released these days. Just watch that Godzilla and Kong trailer they did for a call of duty game. It looks just like it does in the actual movies.
Either way it kills the magic of moviemaking for me but I'm pretty sure this is only a problem for people of my generation.
It'll be an issue for future generations too. I thought those effects looked horribly fake and obviously CG even back in 2009, when the first *Avatar* came out. As CG technology advances, the effects will age like milk. Like with Creepy Deepfake Peter Cushing in *Rogue One*, it'll just take a while for the majority to catch up and see what I already see; an absurdly fake looking, glorified videogame cutscene.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 09, 2022, 09:07:06 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 09, 2022, 09:07:06 PM
Problem with Peter Cushing in Rogue One wasn't as much with horribly looking CGI as with the fact they literally brought back a dead man back via digital technology and uncanny valley effect
And I'm sorry, but that "people will see what I see" comment just screens "pretentious" to me
And I'm sorry, but that "people will see what I see" comment just screens "pretentious" to me
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 09:20:19 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 09, 2022, 09:07:06 PMAnd I'm sorry, but that "people will see what I see" comment just screens "pretentious" to me
There's nothing pretentious about it, as I'm not seeking kudos for making an observation. I'm simply pointing out that in a decade or two, people will look at the Avatar movies and say "yeesh, that's aged like milk". It's the same thing that happened with a great deal of the CG from the 90s. Once CG improves and becomes the standard, a lot of the CG from the past is no longer able to be seen as anything other than badly aged. I'm not claiming to be alone in my ability to already spot what is there right now. Others can see it too. I'm merely saying that the majority are impressed by the visuals in Avatar right now ("stunning" and "incredible" are words which often get banded about) and that those opinions will change and sour as technology marches on.
Just look at Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, that movie was groundbreaking back in the day and people cooed at the technological prowess and "lifelike" CG. Nowadays, an increasing number of people can see the Emperor's new clothes for what they are. It looks like a current (or even last) gen videogame. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrzIRXJNXkM)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on May 09, 2022, 09:26:22 PM
Post by: SiL on May 09, 2022, 09:26:22 PM
Acting like you're the only one who notices the CGI quality is pretty pretentious.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 09:38:11 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2022, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 09, 2022, 09:26:22 PMActing like you're the only one who notices the CGI quality is pretty pretentious.
QuoteI'm not claiming to be alone in my ability to already spot what is there right now. Others can see it too.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on May 10, 2022, 12:20:48 AM
Post by: SiL on May 10, 2022, 12:20:48 AM
And then in the next breath saying people will see it how you do only later, like they're brainwashed masses and you're part of an enlightened few.
That's the pretentious vibe.
That's the pretentious vibe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: St_Eddie on May 10, 2022, 12:52:57 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on May 10, 2022, 12:52:57 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2022, 12:20:48 AMAnd then in the next breath saying people will see it how you do only later, like they're brainwashed masses and you're part of an enlightened few.
That's the pretentious vibe.
I'm never said that people are "brainwashed". You're projecting a scathingly condescending intent where there is none. I was merely stating that most audience members don't really consider such things and live in the moment. It's similar to how I've encountered people saying that videogame graphics will never get any better than they are right now. I remember telling my friend a decade and a half ago that eventually videogame graphics will be completely indistinguishable from real-life and he just couldn't wrap his head around that concept and said "no, that'll never happen. It's not possible".
It's just interesting to me that some people don't really look towards the future and see how technology is always destined to advance and see the end point of that culmination of technological advancement. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that. It's just a different mindset. I was simply making an observation that the same people who praise the visuals of Avatar as lifelike and incredible will likely not hold those same opinions in a decade's time.
My ultimate point is one of how the visuals in Avatar are destined to date poorly, relatively quickly, because they rely on an overabundance of CGI and an attempt to mimic real life textures and biology and that ultimately, they fail in that ambition because the movies look like videogame cutscenes and that the majority opinion will eventually reflect that view in time to come. I wasn't having a pop at certain audience members for living in the moment. Rather, I was being critical of the movie's over-reliance on cutting edge technology and how it's destined to age poorly within the public opinion at large.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2022, 07:38:18 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2022, 07:38:18 AM
Looks like we're going with Tarzan this time?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on May 10, 2022, 06:22:42 PM
Post by: nanison on May 10, 2022, 06:22:42 PM
For me it is not about realism but creativity when creating special effects with puppets or mechanics or trick shots it all involves creativity. There is a limit to what you can do and what works and that is when the best ideas come.
The alien is scary because we don't see it often in Ridley Scott's last alien film we see it in all it's glory. CGI makes that happen but it kills of the mystery and creativity of the shooting.
Another good example is King Kong 1976 vs 2005. The earlier version is just scarier because the lighting and angles are more creative to hide that it is just a man in a suit. The mechanical parts of the arm and hands are awesome, especially when he captures Ann from inside that building.
That said there are also a lot of shots that don't look good anymore in the film.
Jaws another grand example, thanks to failing mechanical parts Spielberg had to get creative and he made a suspense masterpiece without realizing it.
In all this examples it is clear to me that Kong isn't real and that the shark doesn't look like a real one but at lest they look like real threats not like realistic monsters
The alien is scary because we don't see it often in Ridley Scott's last alien film we see it in all it's glory. CGI makes that happen but it kills of the mystery and creativity of the shooting.
Another good example is King Kong 1976 vs 2005. The earlier version is just scarier because the lighting and angles are more creative to hide that it is just a man in a suit. The mechanical parts of the arm and hands are awesome, especially when he captures Ann from inside that building.
That said there are also a lot of shots that don't look good anymore in the film.
Jaws another grand example, thanks to failing mechanical parts Spielberg had to get creative and he made a suspense masterpiece without realizing it.
In all this examples it is clear to me that Kong isn't real and that the shark doesn't look like a real one but at lest they look like real threats not like realistic monsters
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 10, 2022, 07:43:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 10, 2022, 07:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/SciFi_Fantasy/status/1523991066050932736
A near-photorealistic depiction of an action beat that looks like it could have essentially been ripped straight off of a vintage pulp sci-fi novel's cover. You love to see it.
It has a lot of the same energy as this James Cameron painting, actually, which was a piece of concept art he painted prior to making his 1978 short film Xenogenesis:
(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2018%2F05%2F36.jpg)
A near-photorealistic depiction of an action beat that looks like it could have essentially been ripped straight off of a vintage pulp sci-fi novel's cover. You love to see it.
It has a lot of the same energy as this James Cameron painting, actually, which was a piece of concept art he painted prior to making his 1978 short film Xenogenesis:
(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2018%2F05%2F36.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on May 10, 2022, 08:08:31 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 10, 2022, 08:08:31 PM
Holy shit, Terminator punching a Navi blue monkey to death with his exposed roboarm would be AWESOME ! gargragaaaallgr (sorry, that was the sounds of me shoving popcorn in my face)
Nice piece of concept art tho. Thanks for sharing it, NA
Nice piece of concept art tho. Thanks for sharing it, NA
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 16, 2022, 01:46:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 16, 2022, 01:46:23 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1526189698691088384
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 30, 2022, 04:09:28 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 30, 2022, 04:09:28 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1542538622087450624
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jun 30, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jun 30, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1542539742700519424
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2022, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2022, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 30, 2022, 04:11:31 PMhttps://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1542539742700519424
That's an interesting character description. Although I swear my mind wanders away and thinks of the almost zero improvement in visual since the original.
But I looking foward the creature design as usual. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jun 30, 2022, 09:56:41 PM
Post by: nanison on Jun 30, 2022, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 10, 2022, 08:08:31 PMgargragaaaallgr
Sounds Like Arnold Schwarzenegger to me
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2022, 04:09:46 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2022, 04:09:46 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1542901212785393664
Kiri has the same face markings as Grace's Avatar, too:
(https://project-orion-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/content_picture/4761/sigourney-weaver-avatar.jpg)
Definitely thinking there must be some sort of reincarnation angle at play here with Kiri, since Grace's consciousness was essentially absorbed by Eywa during the failed attempt to move it into Grace's Avatar body. Some version of Grace's consciousness that was stored in Hometree must have been reborn in a new body as Kiri.
Kiri has the same face markings as Grace's Avatar, too:
(https://project-orion-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/content_picture/4761/sigourney-weaver-avatar.jpg)
Definitely thinking there must be some sort of reincarnation angle at play here with Kiri, since Grace's consciousness was essentially absorbed by Eywa during the failed attempt to move it into Grace's Avatar body. Some version of Grace's consciousness that was stored in Hometree must have been reborn in a new body as Kiri.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gilfryd on Jul 01, 2022, 05:16:23 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Jul 01, 2022, 05:16:23 PM
I figured she was coming back to play a Grace Augustine/Eywa/Force spirit kind of thing, but this is something else.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2022, 05:20:22 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2022, 05:20:22 PM
A melding of Grace and Eywa's own consciousnesses in this new body, perhaps? I definitely don't expect whatever's going on in her head to be just Grace as we knew her recreated 1:1.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2022, 03:25:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2022, 03:25:32 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1543233144886886400
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jul 03, 2022, 02:12:50 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jul 03, 2022, 02:12:50 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1543595562397728768
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2022, 03:56:25 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2022, 03:56:25 PM
From the article –
All in on this concept.
QuoteIn The Way Of Water, the RDA has a whole set of Recoms, aka Recombinants – avatars embedded with the memories of human soldiers.
All in on this concept.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 03, 2022, 09:37:10 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 03, 2022, 09:37:10 PM
I loved the teaser trailer, but a big part of it is the music.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Jul 04, 2022, 04:32:32 PM
Post by: ace3g on Jul 04, 2022, 04:32:32 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1543996039857934336
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: T Dog on Jul 04, 2022, 05:33:09 PM
Post by: T Dog on Jul 04, 2022, 05:33:09 PM
Soooooooo how does everybody think this is going to perform at the box office? Will Cameron strike gold again or have his first mega flop?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jul 04, 2022, 06:07:22 PM
Post by: nanison on Jul 04, 2022, 06:07:22 PM
Gold of course. The fact that avatar immediately overtook endgame again after a re release says enough, this film has a huge fanbase.
I suspect it is going to be the next cultural crazy in genre movie/television. So this means it will be up there with star wars, marvel, middle earth, Harry Potter, game of thrones and stranger things.
I suspect it is going to be the next cultural crazy in genre movie/television. So this means it will be up there with star wars, marvel, middle earth, Harry Potter, game of thrones and stranger things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Looks like Cameron has an exit strategy just in case:
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1543931342047551490
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1543931342047551490
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 04, 2022, 08:43:10 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 04, 2022, 08:43:10 PM
Tim Miller? ;) /s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 04, 2022, 08:54:11 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 04, 2022, 08:54:11 PM
So how's the expanded universe of this coming along? I know there's a game but I would expect much more.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 04, 2022, 10:58:59 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 04, 2022, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 04, 2022, 08:54:11 PMSo how's the expanded universe of this coming along? I know there's a game but I would expect much more.
Aye! for one of the highest-grossing movies of all time, merchandising was somewhat modest. I might or might not be wrong though. ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jul 05, 2022, 12:53:07 AM
Post by: nanison on Jul 05, 2022, 12:53:07 AM
Isn't the smurfs a spin off?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: T Dog on Jul 05, 2022, 10:39:45 AM
Post by: T Dog on Jul 05, 2022, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 04, 2022, 06:54:18 PMLooks like Cameron has an exit strategy just in case:James Cameron is passing Avatar 4 & 5 off to Robert Rodiguez so that he may go and direct
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1543931342047551490
Terminator 3 Three a.k.a TTT
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2022, 02:34:40 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2022, 02:34:40 PM
What shocks me mostly here is that I thought that 4 and 5's live action production had actually already begun. Guess not.
Cameron could end up pulling an Original Trilogy-George Lucas and doling out the last two while heavily supervising and running the show (he already kind of did that with Alita: Battle Angel and Terminator: Dark Fate in 2019), but honestly, I expect that he does end up being the one to direct them, given the way he's talking about 4 in that interview and his immediate backtracking on his statement.
It is interesting that he's already thinking about his post-Avatar career and other stories that he still has in him that he wants to tell.
EDIT: Just went back and dug up this relevant Cameron quote from late last year:
So there has been a bit of production on 4, but then they stopped after shooting the ~25 pages or so and have not yet picked up on any more of 4 or any of 5 at all. Makes sense.
Cameron could end up pulling an Original Trilogy-George Lucas and doling out the last two while heavily supervising and running the show (he already kind of did that with Alita: Battle Angel and Terminator: Dark Fate in 2019), but honestly, I expect that he does end up being the one to direct them, given the way he's talking about 4 in that interview and his immediate backtracking on his statement.
It is interesting that he's already thinking about his post-Avatar career and other stories that he still has in him that he wants to tell.
EDIT: Just went back and dug up this relevant Cameron quote from late last year:
QuoteWe mixed the schedules for 2 and 3 together, based on the types of scenes and the environments. I said, let's just treat it like it's a six-hour miniseries and we're only going to go to Frankfurt once. We're going to shoot all the scenes from 2 and 3 at the same time. That was more or less the motif. Actor availability was an issue as well. Anything that had to be done with a specific actor, we did all the scenes for 2 and 3 together — and a little bit of 4. Because once again, I had to shoot the kids out. They're allowed to age six years in the middle of the story on page 25 of movie 4. So I needed everything before then, and then everything after, we'll do later.
So there has been a bit of production on 4, but then they stopped after shooting the ~25 pages or so and have not yet picked up on any more of 4 or any of 5 at all. Makes sense.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 17, 2022, 09:02:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 17, 2022, 09:02:45 PM
can't wait for the new Cameron Heavy Metal movie myself
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2022, 04:45:45 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2022, 04:45:45 PM
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1550147374667923457
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jul 21, 2022, 09:08:06 PM
Post by: nanison on Jul 21, 2022, 09:08:06 PM
It wouldn't be an avatar release without a delay
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 23, 2022, 05:32:07 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 23, 2022, 05:32:07 PM
https://twitter.com/JimCameron/status/1562108193961938952
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 08:24:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 08:24:08 PM
In 3D and in 4K? That's a new one as far as I know.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2022, 04:12:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2022, 04:12:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Todd_McFarlane/status/1568269948694441986
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 10, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 10, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1568691469736906752
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 11:25:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 11:25:42 PM
A unpleasant rant from me on the merits of Avatar:
Big, simplistic, beating you over the head with obviously allegory, exploiting clichés about how "primitive cultures" exist and function with a white saviour narrative, family orientated, and aliens explicitly designed cynically to be as analogous to life here as possible with big anime eyes to squeeze empathy out of people for extremely bland characters.
Set on a planet of science fiction screensaver 2005 backgrounds. Plus Disney gets a check out of it.
This being a franchise before a single sequel even exists because of a decades old gimmick, or indeed single worthwhile film either represents everything I loathe about modern filmmaking, and art by committee and I hope it is the Hindenburg disaster of the industry.
Big, simplistic, beating you over the head with obviously allegory, exploiting clichés about how "primitive cultures" exist and function with a white saviour narrative, family orientated, and aliens explicitly designed cynically to be as analogous to life here as possible with big anime eyes to squeeze empathy out of people for extremely bland characters.
Set on a planet of science fiction screensaver 2005 backgrounds. Plus Disney gets a check out of it.
This being a franchise before a single sequel even exists because of a decades old gimmick, or indeed single worthwhile film either represents everything I loathe about modern filmmaking, and art by committee and I hope it is the Hindenburg disaster of the industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Sep 12, 2022, 06:30:25 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 12, 2022, 06:30:25 AM
I'm beginning to think that @BlueMarsalis79 doesn't like James Cameron too much
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 01:35:50 PM
(https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/resur1-e1493998929626.jpg?fit=800%2C+9999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C340px&ssl=1)
"I don't like it."
"I don't like it."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 12, 2022, 01:48:14 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 12, 2022, 01:48:14 PM
"What's to like?"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 12, 2022, 01:56:02 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 12, 2022, 01:56:02 PM
There has always been a certain level of dislike for Cameron on these boards.
Usually you see either harsh criticism or hyperbolic love for him. I usually fall some where in the middle.
Usually you see either harsh criticism or hyperbolic love for him. I usually fall some where in the middle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
I dislike Avatar, not James Cameron, I dislike the way he writes women but, not the man himself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 12, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 12, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
I remember enjoying the original Avatar a lot when I first saw it in theatres, and even a little while after. But after like a year or two, it kinda faded from my brain, and over the years I've never really had the urge to revisit it or anything. To me it's never had the franchise appeal so much, especially now a decade after the original. I don't necessarily hate it like a lot of people, but I'm just extremely indifferent to it lol.
I'm not really looking forward to the sequel, but I'm hoping Cameron can surprise me and bring me back on board!
I'm not really looking forward to the sequel, but I'm hoping Cameron can surprise me and bring me back on board!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Sep 12, 2022, 06:19:54 PM
Post by: nanison on Sep 12, 2022, 06:19:54 PM
I usually don't have strong opinions on films or people lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 21, 2022, 07:33:12 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 21, 2022, 07:33:12 PM
https://twitter.com/io9/status/1572375702846210048
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Sep 21, 2022, 07:37:03 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 21, 2022, 07:37:03 PM
No shit
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Sep 22, 2022, 02:20:21 AM
Post by: nanison on Sep 22, 2022, 02:20:21 AM
There is a 16 year gap between godfather 2 and 3.
19 years between Rambo 3 and 4
20 years between dumb and dumber and nr to
28 years between Tron and Legacy
29 years between mad max thunderdome and fury road
35 years between blade runner and 2049
And finally la piece de resistance 54 years between Mary Popping and Returns.
All of those films have been successful either on money terms or critically or in a cult kind of way
19 years between Rambo 3 and 4
20 years between dumb and dumber and nr to
28 years between Tron and Legacy
29 years between mad max thunderdome and fury road
35 years between blade runner and 2049
And finally la piece de resistance 54 years between Mary Popping and Returns.
All of those films have been successful either on money terms or critically or in a cult kind of way
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 27, 2022, 08:04:53 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 27, 2022, 08:04:53 AM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1574098102188908544
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2022, 04:54:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2022, 04:54:59 PM
I caught the re-release on the big screen yesterday.
Back in 2009 I was stupid, ignorant like a child: I loved James Cameron just as I do now, and I was incredibly excited to see Avatar, but when I went to see the film I opted for a 2D screening for some inexplicable reason that I still can't wrap my head around to this day.
Anyways, thank Eywa for this theatrical re-release finally giving the the opportunity to remedy that mistake and immerse myself in the actual experience that James Cameron constructed Avatar to be. I've always been an outspoken supporter of the film, and of Cameron's technical and artistic craft and his storytelling sensibilities in general, but seeing Avatar like this was an experience entirely unlike any of my previous viewings of the film. There really isn't anything else quite like this out there. Avatar is an earnest, sweeping, romantic, capital-E Epic that never once snarkily looks down on itself or apologizes for what it is, and I was swept up in every single moment. With few exceptions, we rarely see that in the current output of major studio-released genre films, let alone with filmmaking operating anywhere near the precedent that Avatar set in 2009.
James Cameron just doesn't miss. And after seeing that preview for The Way of Water, December really can't come soon enough.
Back in 2009 I was stupid, ignorant like a child: I loved James Cameron just as I do now, and I was incredibly excited to see Avatar, but when I went to see the film I opted for a 2D screening for some inexplicable reason that I still can't wrap my head around to this day.
Anyways, thank Eywa for this theatrical re-release finally giving the the opportunity to remedy that mistake and immerse myself in the actual experience that James Cameron constructed Avatar to be. I've always been an outspoken supporter of the film, and of Cameron's technical and artistic craft and his storytelling sensibilities in general, but seeing Avatar like this was an experience entirely unlike any of my previous viewings of the film. There really isn't anything else quite like this out there. Avatar is an earnest, sweeping, romantic, capital-E Epic that never once snarkily looks down on itself or apologizes for what it is, and I was swept up in every single moment. With few exceptions, we rarely see that in the current output of major studio-released genre films, let alone with filmmaking operating anywhere near the precedent that Avatar set in 2009.
James Cameron just doesn't miss. And after seeing that preview for The Way of Water, December really can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PM
Avatar really should apologize for what it is.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:15:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PMAvatar really should apologize for what it is.
What is Avatar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:20:45 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:20:45 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 11:25:42 PMA unpleasant rant from me on the merits of Avatar:
Big, simplistic, beating you over the head with obviously allegory, exploiting clichés about how "primitive cultures" exist and function with a white saviour narrative, family orientated, and aliens explicitly designed cynically to be as analogous to life here as possible with big anime eyes to squeeze empathy out of people for extremely bland characters.
Set on a planet of science fiction screensaver 2005 backgrounds. Plus Disney gets a check out of it.
This being a franchise before a single sequel even exists because of a decades old gimmick, or indeed single worthwhile film either represents everything I loathe about modern filmmaking, and art by committee and I hope it is the Hindenburg disaster of the industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:27:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:20:45 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 11, 2022, 11:25:42 PMA unpleasant rant from me on the merits of Avatar:
Big, simplistic, beating you over the head with obviously allegory, exploiting clichés about how "primitive cultures" exist and function with a white saviour narrative, family orientated, and aliens explicitly designed cynically to be as analogous to life here as possible with big anime eyes to squeeze empathy out of people for extremely bland characters.
Set on a planet of science fiction screensaver 2005 backgrounds. Plus Disney gets a check out of it.
This being a franchise before a single sequel even exists because of a decades old gimmick, or indeed single worthwhile film either represents everything I loathe about modern filmmaking, and art by committee and I hope it is the Hindenburg disaster of the industry.
Would you call it a pox on modern cinema?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:32:35 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:32:35 PM
Beyond the inflated ticket prices because of 3D for a number of years? Not a pox exactly, it did not leave much of a cultural impact that I can think of, it just feels empty to me.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 06:34:56 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PMAvatar really should apologize for what it is.
Lol no
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:53:25 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 06:34:56 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PMAvatar really should apologize for what it is.
Lol no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 07:00:31 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 07:00:31 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2022, 06:53:25 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 27, 2022, 06:34:56 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2022, 06:02:46 PMAvatar really should apologize for what it is.
Lol no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
I probably watch that one like once. And all I remember is this bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJypA1ib8Ww
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: kwisatz on Sep 27, 2022, 07:59:32 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Sep 27, 2022, 07:59:32 PM
As long as I get my Abyss Blu-ray
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 28, 2022, 08:39:51 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 28, 2022, 08:39:51 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2022, 04:54:59 PMBack in 2009 I was stupid, ignorant like a child: I loved James Cameron just as I do now, and I was incredibly excited to see Avatar, but when I went to see the film I opted for a 2D screening for some inexplicable reason that I still can't wrap my head around to this day.
I can't say I really care for 3D cinema (every time it comes back it's never anything more than the flash-in-the-pan gimmick it was the last time around). That said, I really liked that the 3D in Avatar wasn't gimmicky, with shit lunging out of the screen at you all the time. It was just a normal film, but in 3D.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Sep 28, 2022, 10:22:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 28, 2022, 10:22:38 AM
Which made me realise if there's not shit jumping out it adds nothing to the experience.
"Annoying when it's a gimmick and pointless when it's not."
"Annoying when it's a gimmick and pointless when it's not."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: T Dog on Sep 28, 2022, 01:32:31 PM
Post by: T Dog on Sep 28, 2022, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Sep 27, 2022, 07:59:32 PMAs long as I get my Abyss Blu-rayOh you'll get your Abyss blu ray and it'll incorrectly colour timed and DNR'd to oblivion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 29, 2022, 08:16:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 29, 2022, 08:16:01 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 30, 2022, 09:05:49 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 30, 2022, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 29, 2022, 08:16:01 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQpHY0Qovnk
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1575527252082962432
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Sep 30, 2022, 09:35:54 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 30, 2022, 09:35:54 PM
I didn't think I'd ever say that but that's one creepy Sigourney pic right here
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 30, 2022, 09:56:37 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 30, 2022, 09:56:37 PM
🙈
Spoiler
~Alternate 👀
[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Stitch on Sep 30, 2022, 11:28:22 PM
Post by: Stitch on Sep 30, 2022, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 28, 2022, 01:32:31 PMNooooooooo. Give me a nice 4K of the Abyss Special Edition, full of film grain and accurate tones. I will accept nothing less.Quote from: kwisatz on Sep 27, 2022, 07:59:32 PMAs long as I get my Abyss Blu-rayOh you'll get your Abyss blu ray and it'll incorrectly colour timed and DNR'd to oblivion.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 01, 2022, 12:00:14 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 01, 2022, 12:00:14 AM
I love the first one, although I don't watch it that often. The absolute visual riot is of course amped up this time around and I'm a sucker for underwater adventures... I really can't wait to see Avatar 2.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 01, 2022, 11:55:56 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 01, 2022, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 30, 2022, 09:05:49 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1575527252082962432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAoa-Ss6zS0
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: NecronomIV on Oct 01, 2022, 12:17:49 PM
Post by: NecronomIV on Oct 01, 2022, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 28, 2022, 10:22:38 AMWhich made me realise if there's not shit jumping out it adds nothing to the experience.
"Annoying when it's a gimmick and pointless when it's not."
I had that realisation when I saw Prometheus in 3D. When you notice it, you notice it, which means you're out of the story. When you don't notice it, why bother?
The only film I thought it worked in was Dredd (2012). Made sense for the dreamy hallucination slow-time scenes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 01, 2022, 12:28:25 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 01, 2022, 12:28:25 PM
100% correct, because in Dredd it works not only on a spectacle level but it is also justified by the narrative itself, in everything else it is an aside from the film.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Oct 01, 2022, 07:43:34 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 01, 2022, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: NecronomIV on Oct 01, 2022, 12:17:49 PMUsing it to distinguish reality and the computer world in Tron was neat, but there again it's a gimmick. Although I guess in its case not an annoying one.Quote from: SiL on Sep 28, 2022, 10:22:38 AMWhich made me realise if there's not shit jumping out it adds nothing to the experience.
"Annoying when it's a gimmick and pointless when it's not."
I had that realisation when I saw Prometheus in 3D. When you notice it, you notice it, which means you're out of the story. When you don't notice it, why bother?
The only film I thought it worked in was Dredd (2012). Made sense for the dreamy hallucination slow-time scenes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2022, 08:30:51 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2022, 08:30:51 PM
https://twitter.com/DylanColeArt/status/1582429215231979521
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 18, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 18, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2022, 08:30:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/DylanColeArt/status/1582429215231979521
Nice cover! 🤭😎
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 18, 2022, 08:46:29 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 18, 2022, 08:46:29 PM
"We have walesign the likes of which even God has never seen!"
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 22, 2022, 03:01:08 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 22, 2022, 03:01:08 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 30, 2022, 06:48:39 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 30, 2022, 06:48:39 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1586423874735964161
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 01, 2022, 06:37:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 01, 2022, 06:37:06 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1587510140671995905
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 02, 2022, 02:00:14 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 02, 2022, 02:00:14 PM
https://youtu.be/d9MyW72ELq
This rocks. Bring on next month.
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OK, Quaritch crushing his own skull is an all-timer of a visual.
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This rocks. Bring on next month.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 02, 2022, 06:08:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 02, 2022, 06:08:42 PM
Ugly as sin.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
You're kidding, right?
Of all the valid criticisms of Avatar, that one's so wide of the mark it's untrue. The trailer's got some spectacularly beautiful stuff in it.
Of all the valid criticisms of Avatar, that one's so wide of the mark it's untrue. The trailer's got some spectacularly beautiful stuff in it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Nov 03, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 03, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
I'm interested to see if Cameron keeps his streak of sequels that work as standalone movies, or if he's abandoned the notion since he planned this to be multiple movies from the outset.
Aliens and T2 work even if you've never seen the originals. I hope this follows suits, as I feel it's the thing that makes James Cameron truly unique as a filmmaker.
Aliens and T2 work even if you've never seen the originals. I hope this follows suits, as I feel it's the thing that makes James Cameron truly unique as a filmmaker.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 09:56:28 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 09:56:28 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2022, 08:31:21 AMYou're kidding, right?
Of all the valid criticisms of Avatar, that one's so wide of the mark it's untrue. The trailer's got some spectacularly beautiful stuff in it.
I beginning to think @BlueMarsalis79 doesn't like James Cameron too much
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 03, 2022, 10:08:02 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 03, 2022, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2022, 08:31:21 AMYou're kidding, right?
Of all the valid criticisms of Avatar, that one's so wide of the mark it's untrue. The trailer's got some spectacularly beautiful stuff in it.
"God I forgot how f**king ugly Avatar is, I had kind of built it up in my head as this beautiful movie because that's the one thing people said it had going for it but seeing the new trailer...... I didn't remember the navi bring such awkward and ugly designs." Direct quote from @Cocolyte on Discord.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 03, 2022, 10:42:25 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 03, 2022, 10:42:25 AM
Kinda have to agree. It's "beautiful" in the way those incredibly busy, hyper-colourful jigsaw puzzles from the 90's are "beautiful".
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0574/5167/5834/products/Colourfulmarine-underwater-sea-blue-fishes-shark-whale-stingray-turtle-jigsaw-puzzle_970x700.png)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
I thought the teaser was better, but it was probably the music.
Sig playing a teenage girl seems a bit creepy for some reason.
Sig playing a teenage girl seems a bit creepy for some reason.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 03, 2022, 11:21:38 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 03, 2022, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 11:05:36 AMSig playing a teenage girl seems a bit creepy for some reason.
Kiri seems very intrinsically tied to Grace, so it isn't just an arbitrary decision to keep Sigourney around. Kiri's face markings are the same as Grace's, and this new trailer seems to imply some sort of direct connection/line of communication between Kiri and Eywa. I have to wonder if maybe the attempted transfer of Grace's soul into her Avatar's body in the first film might be the source of that, since Grace is within and part of Eywa now.
There's a shot from way back of Kiri looking at an old recording of Grace, too:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWl7WftWYAEwOja?format=jpg&name=large)
I think what they did with Sigourney's voice for Grace sounds pretty interesting in the new trailer. Took me a second to realize it was her.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
So, they're Baby Groot-ing her ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 03, 2022, 11:48:17 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 03, 2022, 11:48:17 AM
I think Baby Groot is technically an entirely different entity, an offspring of the original Groot without any of the original's memories.
It seems to me like Kiri is going to have parts of Grace in her, somehow, thanks to Eywa's manipulations.
It seems to me like Kiri is going to have parts of Grace in her, somehow, thanks to Eywa's manipulations.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 12:07:58 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 12:07:58 PM
Really ? I thought it was supposed to be Groot slowly regrowing himself from a small branch left after whatever happened to him (he exploded, I can't remember ?)in the first Guardians of Galaxy movie
In any case it was a pretty rough comparison I didn't put too much thought into
In any case it was a pretty rough comparison I didn't put too much thought into
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Nov 03, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Nov 03, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
I must admit I was never into Avatar look and designs (then again, last movie designs I liked in a movie were those of tripods from Spielbergs War of the Worlds), but its the heart and the unmatched heartpounding James Cameron experience Im looking forward to
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 02:37:12 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 03, 2022, 02:37:12 PM
Your opinions are too nuanced for Internet
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2022, 05:10:39 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2022, 05:10:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 02, 2022, 02:00:14 PMSpoiler
OK, Quaritch crushing his own skull is an all-timer of a visual.[close]
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Has the Colonel gone native?
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 05, 2022, 04:50:13 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 05, 2022, 04:50:13 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 05, 2022, 09:22:17 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Nov 05, 2022, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 03, 2022, 11:21:38 AMThey probably filmed new "video logs" with Sigourney, just to give her more to do.Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 03, 2022, 11:05:36 AMSig playing a teenage girl seems a bit creepy for some reason.
Kiri seems very intrinsically tied to Grace, so it isn't just an arbitrary decision to keep Sigourney around. Kiri's face markings are the same as Grace's, and this new trailer seems to imply some sort of direct connection/line of communication between Kiri and Eywa. I have to wonder if maybe the attempted transfer of Grace's soul into her Avatar's body in the first film might be the source of that, since Grace is within and part of Eywa now.
There's a shot from way back of Kiri looking at an old recording of Grace, too:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWl7WftWYAEwOja?format=jpg&name=large
I think what they did with Sigourney's voice for Grace sounds pretty interesting in the new trailer. Took me a second to realize it was her.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 12, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 12, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2022, 03:09:58 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2022, 03:09:58 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2022, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2022, 01:11:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyVermaut/status/1594925174272692225
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 25, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 25, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
👀👉🏻👈🏻 sequel garnered praise from Guillermo del Toro
https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/1595872890251276291
👁🦋👁 👉🏻👈🏻 Fan art by @Nikolay Mochkin (https://instagram.com/ellejart?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
(https://i.ibb.co/QDnTbSN/20221125-152315.jpg)
https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/1595872890251276291
👁🦋👁 👉🏻👈🏻 Fan art by @Nikolay Mochkin (https://instagram.com/ellejart?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
(https://i.ibb.co/QDnTbSN/20221125-152315.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2022, 06:49:19 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2022, 06:49:19 PM
Guillermo del Toro's probably right.
Being that he's usually right.
I wonder what garnish I should put on my shoe.
Being that he's usually right.
I wonder what garnish I should put on my shoe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 27, 2022, 11:02:58 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 27, 2022, 11:02:58 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 28, 2022, 12:37:22 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 28, 2022, 12:37:22 AM
Oh god, not him. Cringe.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 28, 2022, 02:09:32 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 28, 2022, 02:09:32 AM
I think those vistas are mostly computer-generated, so emotions will be based mostly on what one gains from spectacle. Hopefully, this sequel will go beyond that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 28, 2022, 03:34:55 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 28, 2022, 03:34:55 AM
I doubt I will ever like the original but I am indeed open to being shown something new.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2022, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2022, 08:51:45 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 12:23:58 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 12:23:58 PM
I'm not a fan of critical drinker but sometimes he ain't wrong. Why do you hate him so much?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Nov 28, 2022, 12:27:32 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 28, 2022, 12:27:32 PM
A broken clock may be right twice a day but it still belongs in the garbage.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 02:23:18 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 02:23:18 PM
Well, that broken clock is right about SW, MCU and Rings of Power and so on. But I can see why certain people don't like him. He's annoying.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2022, 07:09:22 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2022, 07:09:22 PM
He's not just annoying, he's a bad person. And giving him clicks is giving him money.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 08:32:09 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 08:32:09 PM
Why bad person?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2022, 09:39:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2022, 09:39:47 PM
I suspect he's involved in that Established Titles scam on account of he's Scottish. >:(
@Highland @Valaquen
@Highland @Valaquen
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 29, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 29, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Re-use elements from previous movies, but should be easier if much of the content is animated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 02:54:16 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 02:54:16 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 28, 2022, 08:32:09 PMWhy bad person?
A hypocrite who constantly complains about the woke pandering in hollywood films while pandering to/grifting the right wing himself, part of a larger online discourse that is having increasingly material not-online detrimental effects on real people.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
Because someone doesn't like wokeness doesn't make him right winger.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Nov 29, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 29, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
You're right, but luckily he has a shit ton of other comments and statements showing he's exactly that.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 12:00:58 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 12:00:58 PM
Fair enough. Let him be right winger then. We supposed to live in democracy hence people have right to be ... right. I cannot stand right but people have freedom of choice. It is what it is. Also, Hollywood created this woke nonsense in the first place. Action cause reaction. It was unavoidable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 04:32:50 PM
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 04:32:50 PM
He's definitely allowed to be an insufferable right-wing grifter.
Doesn't mean we have to like or approve of him.
I hate this "anti-wokeness" discourse cause it more often than not is just "woman/POC/LGBTQ+ in movie bad", with a lot of stretching and reaching to fit their narrow-minded viewpoints/agenda, and emboldening the unfortunate amount of right-wing reactionaries online.
Doesn't mean we have to like or approve of him.
I hate this "anti-wokeness" discourse cause it more often than not is just "woman/POC/LGBTQ+ in movie bad", with a lot of stretching and reaching to fit their narrow-minded viewpoints/agenda, and emboldening the unfortunate amount of right-wing reactionaries online.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 04:55:34 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 10:56:04 AMBecause someone doesn't like wokeness doesn't make him right winger.
Way to totally ignore the hypocrite part.
But I'm not surprised, frankly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 05:30:25 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 05:30:25 PM
Eh, on the one hand over time I've grown more and more sympathetic, because I do feel there is a difference between something occurring naturally vs something being forced and often at the expense of story telling.
On the other hand I have seen in videos where the discussion is also tarnished by their own right wing views and I just can't help but feel a "yikes" sentiment.
On the other hand I have seen in videos where the discussion is also tarnished by their own right wing views and I just can't help but feel a "yikes" sentiment.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2022, 05:39:18 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2022, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 05:30:25 PMOn the other hand I have seen in videos where the discussion is also tarnished by their own right wing views and I just can't help but feel a "yikes" sentiment.
Listen to them ramble long enough and eventually they'll let the mask slip.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:46:57 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:46:57 PM
So, you guys are fine with wokeness nonsense in the modern cinema? Forget about politics (right or left). Just simple answer: yes or no?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 05:52:27 PM
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 05:52:27 PM
lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:56:39 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:56:39 PM
Are you afraid to answer simple question?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 29, 2022, 06:23:38 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 29, 2022, 06:23:38 PM
I feel like at one point the word "woke" actually had legitimate meaning.
But as with a lot of these things it then got hijacked by the internet cretins who throw it at literally anything and everything and 99% of the time it's simply not justified in any way, to the point where the word now usually says more about the person saying it than the thing they're labelling.
But as with a lot of these things it then got hijacked by the internet cretins who throw it at literally anything and everything and 99% of the time it's simply not justified in any way, to the point where the word now usually says more about the person saying it than the thing they're labelling.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 06:38:54 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 06:38:54 PM
Word "woke" still has a meaning. It's important in what context one uses it. It can be justified or not.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 06:52:53 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 06:52:53 PM
'Woke' it's just another ad hominem that extreme right-wingers are so fond of using. In order to criticize art and entertainment you don't need these pejorative terms. Although given his target audience, I'm not surprised that he uses them.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
Then what word would you use to genuinely criticise the entertainment?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 07:51:51 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 07:51:51 PM
Eh since I am not interested in igniting any political wing for my own benefit, neither contribute to the conspiracy lore that these people tend to believe...I don't know...how about no ad hominem at all? ???
Just critical thinking and fact-checking, I guess :P
I don't have any issues with progressivism in entertainment though, as it doesn't affect the quality of the product for me. After all there are other reasons why art can be bad: the writing, the acting, the director, etc.
And yes, Internet personalities like him ignite groups of people who hurt others. And that's reason enough for me not to click on his videos.
Just critical thinking and fact-checking, I guess :P
I don't have any issues with progressivism in entertainment though, as it doesn't affect the quality of the product for me. After all there are other reasons why art can be bad: the writing, the acting, the director, etc.
And yes, Internet personalities like him ignite groups of people who hurt others. And that's reason enough for me not to click on his videos.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 07:53:34 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 07:53:34 PM
I happen to observe that pre-run both Rings of Power and House of the Dragon had their share of woke accusations, but post-run while RoP was indeed rubbish and the woke talk is going strong HotD was apparently actually good so much so that I noticed the woke talk died down.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Prey was supposed to be bad for the same thing. The movie was released and surprise! it's bad for other reasons ::)
Spoiler
I was just kidding with the last part ;D
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:48 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:46:57 PMSo, you guys are fine with wokeness nonsense in the modern cinema? Forget about politics (right or left). Just simple answer: yes or no?
You'll have to define what you mean by wokeness nonsense - since as HuDa says, it gets thrown around extremely liberally as a phrase - for me to give you an honest answer.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2022, 08:17:58 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2022, 08:17:58 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 07:53:34 PMI happen to observe that pre-run both Rings of Power and House of the Dragon had their share of woke accusations, but post-run while RoP was indeed rubbish and the woke talk is going strong HotD was apparently actually good so much so that I noticed the woke talk died down.
By the same token, a lot of people were prepared to hurl the same accusations against Andor due to all the women in the cast. But then it turned out to be so well-written and well-acted that those people largely STFU and enjoyed the show.
And those who didn't tended to just criticize it for being slow and "un-Star Warsy," not woke.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 08:33:12 PM
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Nov 29, 2022, 08:33:12 PM
Dang, it's almost like criticisms on a film/show's writing, pacing, directing, cinematography, etc actually have merit and validity, and criticisms on a show *reads notes* having women has zero merit or validity.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 08:51:35 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:48 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 05:46:57 PMSo, you guys are fine with wokeness nonsense in the modern cinema? Forget about politics (right or left). Just simple answer: yes or no?
You'll have to define what you mean by wokeness nonsense - since as HuDa says, it gets thrown around extremely liberally as a phrase - for me to give you an honest answer. Instead of being diverse it became
Forced diversity box ticking that sacrifices source material and lore and ironically proves counterproductive at the end. There are dozens of examples bit let me quote myself from the past:
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 06, 2022, 11:05:37 AMIt happened with The Witcher. In season 2 Geralt and Ciri visit Kaer Morhen, an old keep where witchers of the School of the Wolf used to be trained. Keep was located somewhere in kingdom of Kaedwen, one of the Northen Kingdoms. According to Blood of Elves there were four witchers (all white) in Kaer Morhen at that time: Vesimir, Lamber, Coen and Eskel. Obviously Netflix changed that by adding unknown witchers (including black and Asian looking) and changing Coen's skin colour. They did it because of so called diversity but it killed world credibility as it obviously was forced agenda. The saddest and funniest thing about it is instead of diversity in turned out to be total travesty. Why? Because those non-white additional witchers are completely anonymous. They don't even say a line. We don't even know their names. They were put there so Netflix would tick off diversity on the chart. These non-white actors were treated as part of furniture and their characters were killed at the end. Stage props.
Technically speaking what Netflix did here was racism towards those actors and totally disrespected Eastern Europeans (who would care about them, we must sell it to American viewer) who wanted to see "slavic spirit" in the series. How diverse is that?
And this is just one example.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Nov 29, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 29, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 07:51:51 PMJust critical thinking and fact-checking, I guess :P
But what about critical drinking ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 09:11:05 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 09:11:05 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 07:51:51 PMI don't have any issues with progressivism in entertainment though, as it doesn't affect the quality of the product for me. After all there are other reasons why art can be bad: the writing, the acting, the director, etc.
Of course but I f**king hate when showrunners/producers force their agendas because they can, which in the end affects the final quality of the product. The devil is in the detail and I pay attention to it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 09:52:29 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Nov 29, 2022, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 08:05:15 PMPrey was supposed to be bad for the same thing. The movie was released and surprise! it's bad for other reasons ::)Spoiler
I was just kidding with the last part ;D[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Highland on Nov 30, 2022, 07:29:13 AM
Post by: Highland on Nov 30, 2022, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2022, 09:39:47 PMI suspect he's involved in that Established Titles scam on account of he's Scottish. >:(
@Highland @Valaquen
From what I remember he did start out as kinda funny drunk that had digs at generally shite movies, but I feel at one point he turned when he realised how big he could get if he followed the online algorithm.
In an ironic way he has become the extreme other end of the Woke spectrum, which is kinda funny.
Also I like really Rings of Power ( up to episode 5) so don't listen to me !
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 30, 2022, 10:22:59 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 30, 2022, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 29, 2022, 09:11:05 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 29, 2022, 07:51:51 PMI don't have any issues with progressivism in entertainment though, as it doesn't affect the quality of the product for me. After all there are other reasons why art can be bad: the writing, the acting, the director, etc.
Of course but I f**king hate when showrunners/producers force their agendas because they can, which in the end affects the final quality of the product. The devil is in the detail and I pay attention to it.
Diversity makes them more $$$. If you include more strong female characters, more women will watch it. If you include more black, Asian and LGBTQ+ characters, more blacks, Asians and LGBTQ+'s will watch the movie/TV show. It expands your markets, so makes sound business sense.
It's kind of ironic how the far right elements are always clamouring for unbridled capitalism, but when Hollywood indulges in it, it is no longer Kosher.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2022, 09:39:47 PMI suspect he's involved in that Established Titles scam on account of he's Scottish. >:(
@Highland @Valaquen
Dude's a fake. No-one can understand a single word a true-blooded Scotsman utters.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2022, 08:19:47 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2022, 08:19:47 PM
Man knows this might flop at the box office 👀
https://twitter.com/AndyVermaut/status/1594925174272692225
But also what to do if he succeeds! 😲 plus the fact that he's going to be too old to finish his Avatar universe...
(https://i.ibb.co/fnyqFM7/Picsart-22-11-30-17-07-59-169.jpg)
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1597953693898477569
https://twitter.com/AndyVermaut/status/1594925174272692225
But also what to do if he succeeds! 😲 plus the fact that he's going to be too old to finish his Avatar universe...
(https://i.ibb.co/fnyqFM7/Picsart-22-11-30-17-07-59-169.jpg)
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1597953693898477569
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ace3g on Nov 30, 2022, 09:02:41 PM
Post by: ace3g on Nov 30, 2022, 09:02:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/20thcentury/status/1598059295689433088
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 01, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 30, 2022, 10:22:59 AMNo-one can understand a single word a true-blooded Scotsman utters.
:'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 03, 2022, 08:20:12 AM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 03, 2022, 08:20:12 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 04, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 04, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
Darkplace was the shit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: skhellter on Dec 04, 2022, 11:24:27 PM
Post by: skhellter on Dec 04, 2022, 11:24:27 PM
https://youtu.be/W8sgI3bK0Ag
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 06, 2022, 11:45:51 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 06, 2022, 11:45:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1600266334230794259
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1600273403256004608
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1600273403256004608
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 07, 2022, 04:04:20 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 07, 2022, 04:04:20 AM
I'll definitely be heading out to see this with some family members before Christmas.
The last time I dipped my toe into some 3D waters was with the JAWS (3D conversion) big screen release earlier this year, and I'm looking forward to getting fully immersed in the cinematic depths of AVATAR 2's lush oceanic settings too.
But I'm going to fit in a re-watch of the 'Extended Collector's Edition' cut of the original movie at some point first, as it's been years since I've seen it. It's the only version I'd ever re-watch, due to the additional 'Future Earth' scenes which introduce Jake Sully's character in a much better way at the beginning, and gives a neat juxtaposition between our planet's over-populated, hi-tech lifestyle and the simpler beauty of Pandora's tribes and nature.
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277099.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277100.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277102.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277109.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277113.jpg)
Just as with the restored ending for THE ABYSS Special Edition, the re-instated sequences at the start of AVATAR in this version make for a much more satisfying watch overall, I find. Just a pity they were ditched for the theatrical showings in the first place.
The last time I dipped my toe into some 3D waters was with the JAWS (3D conversion) big screen release earlier this year, and I'm looking forward to getting fully immersed in the cinematic depths of AVATAR 2's lush oceanic settings too.
But I'm going to fit in a re-watch of the 'Extended Collector's Edition' cut of the original movie at some point first, as it's been years since I've seen it. It's the only version I'd ever re-watch, due to the additional 'Future Earth' scenes which introduce Jake Sully's character in a much better way at the beginning, and gives a neat juxtaposition between our planet's over-populated, hi-tech lifestyle and the simpler beauty of Pandora's tribes and nature.
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277099.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277100.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277102.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277109.jpg)
(https://moviethumbs.fancaps.net/1277113.jpg)
Just as with the restored ending for THE ABYSS Special Edition, the re-instated sequences at the start of AVATAR in this version make for a much more satisfying watch overall, I find. Just a pity they were ditched for the theatrical showings in the first place.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 06:08:40 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 06:08:40 AM
This makes me wonder: can you imagine an alternative timeline in which Cameron directed sequel to Blade Runner instead of Aliens ?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 07, 2022, 06:11:53 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 07, 2022, 06:11:53 AM
If Blade Runner didn't flop then yes.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 06:08:40 AMThis makes me wonder: can you imagine an alternative timeline in which Cameron directed sequel to Blade Runner instead of Aliens ?
BLADE RUNNER$
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
Haha, with multiple Deckards hunting each other and you don't know which one is human
Spoiler
Plot Twist: ALL of them are replicants
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 07, 2022, 01:59:23 PMHaha, with multiple Deckards hunting each other and you don't know which one is humanSpoiler
Plot Twist: ALL of them are replicants[close]
Ridley would approve. Ford wouldn't.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2022, 04:30:05 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2022, 04:30:05 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/1600515741782257665
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
Never bet against Jimbo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2022, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2022, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 07, 2022, 04:04:20 AMBut I'm going to fit in a re-watch of the 'Extended Collector's Edition' cut of the original movie at some point first, as it's been years since I've seen it. It's the only version I'd ever re-watch, due to the additional 'Future Earth' scenes which introduce Jake Sully's character in a much better way at the beginning, and gives a neat juxtaposition between our planet's over-populated, hi-tech lifestyle and the simpler beauty of Pandora's tribes and nature.
I find that version to be a bit like the Special Edition of Aliens - the pacing's definitely better in the theatrical cut and the movie works just fine without the added bits, but personally I much prefer the longer version.
Also the transition from Jake's twin being incinerated to his sleeping face in transit is mint.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2022, 04:42:19 PMNever bet against Jimbo.
Let's see how it does with that other performance ;D
(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/main-qimg-f01f05ccf5624029000a1adcbbe9e219.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 08, 2022, 03:53:36 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 08, 2022, 03:53:36 AM
Regardless of what anyone thinks of his overall characters and storylines, If there's one single aspect of this whole AVATAR concept that Cameron deserves some credit for, it's the amount of effort he seems to have put into actually thinking about how it will all generally pan out going forward -
https://collider.com/avatar-4-james-cameron-comments/ (https://collider.com/avatar-4-james-cameron-comments/)
and -
https://collider.com/avatar-2-prequel-script-sam-worthington-zoe-saldana-comments/
As far as ongoing 'franchises' in general go, these days I've ended up compiling my own 'head canon' of specific favourite movies and show episodes to re-watch when it comes to certain 'franchises' I like, as there's usually plenty of duds along the way when so many sequels, prequels, reinventions and spin-offs are generated from an initial popular concept - so the ones I dislike I happily forget about, PERIOD.
https://collider.com/avatar-4-james-cameron-comments/ (https://collider.com/avatar-4-james-cameron-comments/)
and -
https://collider.com/avatar-2-prequel-script-sam-worthington-zoe-saldana-comments/
As far as ongoing 'franchises' in general go, these days I've ended up compiling my own 'head canon' of specific favourite movies and show episodes to re-watch when it comes to certain 'franchises' I like, as there's usually plenty of duds along the way when so many sequels, prequels, reinventions and spin-offs are generated from an initial popular concept - so the ones I dislike I happily forget about, PERIOD.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 10:56:36 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 10:56:36 PM
I take all my doubts back.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/avatar-director-james-cameron-testosterone-toxin
"Avatar director James Cameron claimed that testosterone is "a toxin" that needs to be worked out of one's system in a recent interview."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/avatar-director-james-cameron-testosterone-toxin
"Avatar director James Cameron claimed that testosterone is "a toxin" that needs to be worked out of one's system in a recent interview."
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2022, 11:02:33 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2022, 11:02:33 PM
Testosterone is no more a toxin than oestrogen.
People being assholes are a toxin.
People being assholes are a toxin.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:19:32 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:19:32 PM
⚧️
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 12, 2022, 11:21:18 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 12, 2022, 11:21:18 PM
Even females produce testosterone jimbo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:31:40 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:31:40 PM
Ed Harris probably knows that. lol
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 12, 2022, 11:33:25 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 12, 2022, 11:33:25 PM
u neva gave up on enythin!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:42:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:42:42 PM
The Abyss will finally get a home release now btw.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2022, 11:44:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2022, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:42:42 PMThe Abyss will finally get a home release now btw.
Please please please please include the Special Edition.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2022, 12:08:12 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 13, 2022, 12:08:12 AM
Shane Salerno has a story credit... flashes back to the first draft of AVPR :o
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2022, 12:34:14 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2022, 12:34:14 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2022, 11:19:32 PM⚧️
(https://i.gyazo.com/a87d5c18f05cef34bfcdb062e28e7ae6.png)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 13, 2022, 11:01:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 13, 2022, 11:01:10 PM
@[cancerblack] Jemaine Clement is in this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 14, 2022, 08:07:41 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 14, 2022, 08:07:41 AM
I always felt that the twin-brother angle from the first movie (especially the Extended Cut) was very clunky storytelling. Nobody really mentions the brother later, I bet he is not mentioned in the sequel either.
Going to see the sequel on Saturday in 3D!
Going to see the sequel on Saturday in 3D!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 14, 2022, 09:00:18 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 14, 2022, 09:00:18 AM
I have heard it is visually and auditorily spectacular with a middling plot and story so, just like the first.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2022, 07:05:19 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2022, 07:05:19 PM
Haven't watched yet, but the Cameron/Rodriguez Directors on Directors is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZd8oPe6mig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZd8oPe6mig
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 14, 2022, 10:19:17 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 14, 2022, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 13, 2022, 11:01:10 PM@[cancerblack] Jemaine Clement is in this.
That's fine, I'll likely never watch it regardless.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2022, 12:50:51 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2022, 12:50:51 AM
It is SO refreshing getting to see a massive tentpole special effects blockbuster that isn't looking down on itself and constantly, snarkily poking fun at what it is (I'm looking at you, most Marvel/superhero stuff that dominates the screens in theaters currently). The Way of Water is incredibly sentimental, earnest, overtly topical genre storytelling that's honest about its intentions, in love with its characters and its world, and wears its beating heart on its sleeve in every (astounding) frame.
I really dug this. If you hate Avatar, it's whatever. This won't convert you, it's not your thing and that's fine. If you liked Avatar, though? Oh man, you are in for a treat.
Lots that I want to talk about, but for starters, I'll just get a couple thoughts out there:
I really dug this. If you hate Avatar, it's whatever. This won't convert you, it's not your thing and that's fine. If you liked Avatar, though? Oh man, you are in for a treat.
Lots that I want to talk about, but for starters, I'll just get a couple thoughts out there:
Spoiler
Kiri. Everything about this character is fascinating. None of it is set in stone yet, but it seems to me like the is a sort of melding of Grace and Eywa, with her mysterious conception in Grace's Avatar likely happening at the point of the failed consciousness transference in the first film. It will be very interesting delving more into who/what she is as these progress... and with the long rumored working title of "The Seed Bearer" for the third film, it seems that we should likely be exploring Kiri a lot more in the next round.
I also absolutely adored the Tulkuns and everything surrounding them. The design, the mode of communication, the relationship that they have with the Na'vi and with one another. Such an incredibly compelling race of beings that inhabit Pandora and the very centerpiece of some of the film's most tragic and heartfelt moments.
I also absolutely adored the Tulkuns and everything surrounding them. The design, the mode of communication, the relationship that they have with the Na'vi and with one another. Such an incredibly compelling race of beings that inhabit Pandora and the very centerpiece of some of the film's most tragic and heartfelt moments.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 16, 2022, 02:27:45 AM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 16, 2022, 02:27:45 AM
Not strictly Avatar related though we do discuss the first Avatar film quite significantly throughout the episode, as well as detailing our expectations for the sequel. For those that listen this is one of the rare episodes of the show in that Andy and I have quite contrasting opinions to large parts of the discussion.
It also has one of my favourite pre-discussion scripts, largely because I had to cut out a whole lot of corpsing.
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1603557643364274176?s=20&t=PmwEY6DaAxkaA97ZPTbA-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFnyXD_0S2U
(Youtube is still processing to full HD)
It also has one of my favourite pre-discussion scripts, largely because I had to cut out a whole lot of corpsing.
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1603557643364274176?s=20&t=PmwEY6DaAxkaA97ZPTbA-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFnyXD_0S2U
(Youtube is still processing to full HD)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 16, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Spoiler
Watched it yesterday.
You would have stitch a Marvel logo at the beginning I thought it would have been part of the MCU.
A lot of inconsistency in the VFX which surprised me a lot considering everyone is praising this, but several shot (the people jumping from the small boat) shocked me how bad they were and how they could have pass QC!?
A lot of the smoke and fire were really cheap and looked just like if not worse as the one from 2009 which is a shame considering a lot of advancement has been made in Smoke and Fire simulation during this decade not only in small scale but also very large one. Even though I was not engaged with the latest Star Wars trilogy I gotta admit that a lot of fluid simulations looked jaw dropping. Even some video games manage better in that regards today, it shocked me so much during the movie having this very repetitive fractal layout. Some water shots also had this enormous problem and it was very unbalance between one shot and another.
Everything is too bright and clean, just like a marvel movie, even the color grading is so tuned down that the film feel like it has been neutralize whereas AVATAR 1 at least had a color palette opposition of Green and Blue and some elements very important were brought in Red (Like Toruk so it shines very well when it's needed).
Overall I felt like I watched Avatar 1 all over again (storywise) but with HDR and HFR technology.
Didn't get engage by the story, I feel very much this 3 hour movie could have been compressed in a 15 minutes short film since all you need to say and conclude about is is Grace's avatar had an immaculate baby, Quatrich has a son and Quatrich is back because they uploaded his memory in an Avatar body. You learn that in the first 10 minutes and the status quo of the movie never change despite sully & neytiri loosing a son and that's it, it never gets anywhere else beyond that. All the movie is trying to tell is that everyone is trying to kill each other and at the end no one die (except the disposable grunts) and that very secondary character that is Neytiri and Sully's son)
Got really shocked by the militarization of thing in this one. I can't believe Jim is pushing the "ecology thing" when everything this movie did was to put a rifle in the hand of children and having everyone (Navi, Humans and Pandora's Flora & Fauna) literally kill each other for the entire film justifying that some kills are perfectly okay depending on the soundtrack playing.
I think also the cultural appropriation just got to a point in this one where I just can't stand it personally.
You would have stitch a Marvel logo at the beginning I thought it would have been part of the MCU.
A lot of inconsistency in the VFX which surprised me a lot considering everyone is praising this, but several shot (the people jumping from the small boat) shocked me how bad they were and how they could have pass QC!?
A lot of the smoke and fire were really cheap and looked just like if not worse as the one from 2009 which is a shame considering a lot of advancement has been made in Smoke and Fire simulation during this decade not only in small scale but also very large one. Even though I was not engaged with the latest Star Wars trilogy I gotta admit that a lot of fluid simulations looked jaw dropping. Even some video games manage better in that regards today, it shocked me so much during the movie having this very repetitive fractal layout. Some water shots also had this enormous problem and it was very unbalance between one shot and another.
Everything is too bright and clean, just like a marvel movie, even the color grading is so tuned down that the film feel like it has been neutralize whereas AVATAR 1 at least had a color palette opposition of Green and Blue and some elements very important were brought in Red (Like Toruk so it shines very well when it's needed).
Overall I felt like I watched Avatar 1 all over again (storywise) but with HDR and HFR technology.
Didn't get engage by the story, I feel very much this 3 hour movie could have been compressed in a 15 minutes short film since all you need to say and conclude about is is Grace's avatar had an immaculate baby, Quatrich has a son and Quatrich is back because they uploaded his memory in an Avatar body. You learn that in the first 10 minutes and the status quo of the movie never change despite sully & neytiri loosing a son and that's it, it never gets anywhere else beyond that. All the movie is trying to tell is that everyone is trying to kill each other and at the end no one die (except the disposable grunts) and that very secondary character that is Neytiri and Sully's son)
Got really shocked by the militarization of thing in this one. I can't believe Jim is pushing the "ecology thing" when everything this movie did was to put a rifle in the hand of children and having everyone (Navi, Humans and Pandora's Flora & Fauna) literally kill each other for the entire film justifying that some kills are perfectly okay depending on the soundtrack playing.
I think also the cultural appropriation just got to a point in this one where I just can't stand it personally.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2022, 07:09:51 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2022, 07:09:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1603130328385716225
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 17, 2022, 08:27:11 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 17, 2022, 08:27:11 PM
Really enjoyed this, it avoided most of the problems of the first movie and kept all the good parts, which are even better. But I'm not really a fan of Cameron blatantly leaving some stuff unresolved for Avatar 3, and they didn't do quite enough with
Spoiler
Quaritch and Spider's relationship for their choices near the end to really add up.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: reecebomb on Dec 17, 2022, 09:28:55 PM
Post by: reecebomb on Dec 17, 2022, 09:28:55 PM
How is the high frame rate on this, is it as bad as the Hobbit trilogy?
Would probably check it out as I liked Avatar back in the day, but I just hate 48 fps.
Would probably check it out as I liked Avatar back in the day, but I just hate 48 fps.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 17, 2022, 11:01:34 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 17, 2022, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Dec 17, 2022, 09:28:55 PMHow is the high frame rate on this, is it as bad as the Hobbit trilogy?
Would probably check it out as I liked Avatar back in the day, but I just hate 48 fps.
You do notice when there's a switch between 24 to 48 from shot to shot.
It has this kind of imperfection you would find in the early movies since the frame rate would be done by the speed of the operator moving the film through the gate.
Like it seems to speed up or speed down.
When it's crystal clear it look very much like a reality show or a gaming stream, I'm not a fan but I can understand since the 24 x 2 @48Hz was always problematic with fast pan / moving target rendering a lot of stutter since each eye would only render at 24Hz and your brain to process a clear and flawless movement needs 48Hz (it's not so much a question of frame per second, you can have 12 frames projected 4 times to give a 48Hz and have a smooth movement or 16 x 3).
Because of this you have less stuttering on moving subject and laser technology certainly is brighter, but... it's still not there and I'm not sure polarize glasses will ever get there nor that we do need it seeing how poorly 3D market outside theater venue is doing.
They can have more naturalistic lighting and still have a good relief perception but the limitation you do notice is that if the shot isn't moving the parallax effect is greatly diminished even at 48 frames so the movie made sure there's not a single static shot / subject in it.
I didn't bother to check the Hobbit so I can't compare but... the 3D definitely felt forgettable in this one, perhaps because I've seen several movies that just seemed to have made a proposition that was more interesting.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Dec 18, 2022, 01:35:06 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 18, 2022, 01:35:06 AM
Avatar was the movie that made me realise how f**king pointless 3D is when things aren't flying out at you so I'm not surprised it's once again lackluster.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 18, 2022, 07:37:27 AM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 18, 2022, 07:37:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 18, 2022, 01:35:06 AMAvatar was the movie that made me realise how f**king pointless 3D is when things aren't flying out at you so I'm not surprised it's once again lackluster.
Don't know if I agree. Because the 3D in this film and the previous Avatar were superb, like it really immerses you into that world. Prometheus is another film that does that also. So.. I honestly do think this is better looking than whatever Marvel and Lucasfilm have been pumping. Regardless of how I feel about the story, which is fine, it's pretty standard stuff, it is indeed a visual masterpiece imo.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 18, 2022, 01:10:17 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Dec 18, 2022, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Dec 18, 2022, 07:37:27 AMQuote from: SiL on Dec 18, 2022, 01:35:06 AMAvatar was the movie that made me realise how f**king pointless 3D is when things aren't flying out at you so I'm not surprised it's once again lackluster.
Don't know if I agree. Because the 3D in this film and the previous Avatar were superb, like it really immerses you into that world. Prometheus is another film that does that also. So.. I honestly do think this is better looking than whatever Marvel and Lucasfilm have been pumping. Regardless of how I feel about the story, which is fine, it's pretty standard stuff, it is indeed a visual masterpiece imo.
Prometheus had Darius Wolski which is a master at crafting depth even in 2D. Combined that with Ridley Scott strong eye and you have a mix that has depth in 2D so the 3D is just a gimmick that emphasize the incredible work.
Avatar on the opposite rely only on the 3D and the way it figured it out is to have many things moving the shot.
IMO the film was indistinguishable from a marvel. It felt just like I watched the latest MCU movie, that pandora's episode.
I know what people gonna say:
Spoiler
absolutely not, Cameron actually showed you a hand being cut marvel would never dooooo that booooooo!
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Narrative wise it's just a pretty neutral roller coaster that never goes too high or too low in every aspect, much like a marvel movie. Probably less comic relief, but not by much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 18, 2022, 04:26:16 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 18, 2022, 04:26:16 PM
Totally disagree. It felt and looked distinguishable from a typical Marvel or Star Wars flick which is totally refreshing for once. Imo, I actually really think it's the best looking film right now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 18, 2022, 08:15:55 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 18, 2022, 08:15:55 PM
I bought tickets to see this yesterday. Got a bad migraine and opted not to go and look at a giant screen for three hours, but my ten year old loved it and cried. So, job done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2022, 01:29:40 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2022, 01:29:40 AM
Spoiler
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/zpbfe9/avatar_way_of_water_spoiler_free_thoughts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 19, 2022, 02:31:06 AM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Dec 19, 2022, 02:31:06 AM
Also going to add.. it is indeed 3 hours long.. but it doesn't feel like it, so the pacing is actually good. Again, refreshing.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2022, 03:15:52 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2022, 03:15:52 AM
I think what sets this above the original for me is that the stakes are smaller and more engaging. Jake wanting to protect his family is much more compelling than protecting a tree that's also a giant planet brain and might be a god of some sort. And Quaritch feels weirdly more human as a CGI cat man than he did as a live action person.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 06:21:00 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 06:21:00 AM
Wait, the bad guy from the first one is back ?
Also, would very much looove to know your thoughts, @BlueMarsalis79
Also, would very much looove to know your thoughts, @BlueMarsalis79
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 19, 2022, 08:42:47 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 19, 2022, 08:42:47 AM
I mean, he was even in the trailer yeah? :P
Sounds like Jimbo can relax now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1604521111235936256
Sounds like Jimbo can relax now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1604521111235936256
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 10:45:45 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 10:45:45 AM
Haven't watched any
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2022, 10:50:53 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2022, 10:50:53 AM
Yeah, I didn't realise he was back either, although I'd heard it rumoured he was during pre-production.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2022, 02:21:17 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 19, 2022, 02:21:17 PM
It's not a spoiler, they set that up right from the start.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 19, 2022, 04:37:45 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 19, 2022, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 06:21:00 AMAlso, would very much looove to know your thoughts, @BlueMarsalis79
Can you imagine being James Cameron at that moment? ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/P9fGdNH/the-simpsons-heart-broken.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Dec 19, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 19, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
Spoiler
So after 13 years it's $400+ million dollars worth of cliched tropes. All the characters came off as entirely one-dimensional. Which is a crying shame because it would have been so easy to add layers to them after the first film. The franchise is already starting to suffer from the Star Wars Empire problem (less for Andor in that IP) where the big cardboard cutout baddie is just not a threat at all. Every time there is any kind of battle you know the good guys are going to win without any problems or anything at stake. Everything the humans did felt contrived.
It didn't have the visual beauty of the first one. Whereas the original spent more time in the night time forest with its stunning neon light plants, this one spends almost all the time looking like the box art for a graphics card. The turquoise oceans and islands get very bland quick.
I'm not even going to get into the "alien" Na'vi basically being culturally human in almost every single aspect (and biologically 90% too, compared to everything else on Pandora). Even the Na'vi young act exactly like present day human kids down to their way of speech, mannerisms and social interactions.
Plus points? Some of the underwater shots looked quite good in 3D. That's about it unfortunately.
It doesn't feel right giving big Jim a bad review. :(
It didn't have the visual beauty of the first one. Whereas the original spent more time in the night time forest with its stunning neon light plants, this one spends almost all the time looking like the box art for a graphics card. The turquoise oceans and islands get very bland quick.
I'm not even going to get into the "alien" Na'vi basically being culturally human in almost every single aspect (and biologically 90% too, compared to everything else on Pandora). Even the Na'vi young act exactly like present day human kids down to their way of speech, mannerisms and social interactions.
Plus points? Some of the underwater shots looked quite good in 3D. That's about it unfortunately.
It doesn't feel right giving big Jim a bad review. :(
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 05:52:17 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 05:52:17 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 19, 2022, 04:37:45 PMQuote from: Kradan on Dec 19, 2022, 06:21:00 AMAlso, would very much looove to know your thoughts, @BlueMarsalis79
Can you imagine being James Cameron at that moment? ;D
https://i.ibb.co/P9fGdNH/the-simpsons-heart-broken.gif
Heh
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2022, 08:20:26 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2022, 08:20:26 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 19, 2022, 09:36:38 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 19, 2022, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 19, 2022, 08:42:47 AMI mean, he was even in the trailer yeah? :P
Sounds like Jimbo can relax now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1604521111235936256
It's below expectations. I doubt it's gonna reach 2 billion.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-the-way-of-water-opens-box-office-1235284282/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 20, 2022, 08:54:48 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 20, 2022, 08:54:48 AM
Yeah, I don't know. It opened at more than $50 million stronger than Avatar 1, which went on to make almost $3 billion.
This film is also positioned as a marathon runner, not a sprinter. With Disney now owning 20th, they cleared any possible big competition at the BO for Avatar 2 in the coming weeks. It's going to be number 1 at the BO for a long time.
This film is also positioned as a marathon runner, not a sprinter. With Disney now owning 20th, they cleared any possible big competition at the BO for Avatar 2 in the coming weeks. It's going to be number 1 at the BO for a long time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2022, 09:09:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2022, 09:09:29 AM
Yeah but people love to hate hard on popular stuff they don't personally enjoy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2022, 02:20:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2022, 02:20:16 PM
I hate the wasted potential of the original score, otherwise just mid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQR3gSbJUpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQR3gSbJUpc
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2022, 03:05:12 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2022, 03:05:12 AM
https://twitter.com/thelilynews/status/1605310823949250562
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 21, 2022, 05:44:09 PM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 21, 2022, 05:44:09 PM
https://deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-tuesday-1235204016/
Best Tuesday of the year.
Best Tuesday of the year.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 22, 2022, 04:35:49 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 22, 2022, 04:35:49 AM
I feel like I heard tiny bits of Horner's Troy score in this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 27, 2022, 10:29:31 AM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 27, 2022, 10:29:31 AM
So, Box Office on this is predictably blowing up. Should have crossed $1b today or tomorrow. Don't really like cheering on the Disney corp raking it in but I do stand behind whatever gets us more James Cameron movies. Plus, the hope for an Alita sequel surely just went up a couple of notches.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 11:13:18 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 11:13:18 AM
And I stand behind whatever gets me more Popcorn Digest episodes
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 11:13:18 AMAnd I stand behind whatever gets me more Popcorn Digest episodes
(https://i.ibb.co/WFh6PS4/Poster-780.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Dec 27, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 27, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: Gazz on Dec 27, 2022, 10:29:31 AMDon't really like cheering on the Disney corp raking it in but I do stand behind whatever gets us more James Cameron movies. Plus, the hope for an Alita sequel surely just went up a couple of notches.
Same. I didn't particularly enjoy it, but I have enough faith in Jimbo that I hope it does well enough for the sequels to be made.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 03:09:35 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2022, 12:13:11 PMQuote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 11:13:18 AMAnd I stand behind whatever gets me more Popcorn Digest episodes
https://i.ibb.co/WFh6PS4/Poster-780.jpg
Don't worry, my loyalty to Milwaukee hack frauds is as strong as ever
Also, I have reasons to believe @Gazz himself is quite a fan of RLM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Dec 27, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
Post by: nanison on Dec 27, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
For many years after delaying Avatar 2 time and time again. People on the internet were claiming that nobody was waiting for a continuation of the franchise. That the sequel would flop greatly and that it was not culturally relevant.
I always found it amusing how people could doubt the director that turned a b movie like the terminator into a blockbuster movie series, blew up the success of Alien, created the then biggest movie of all time Titanic and then beat it again with his very own Avatar.
This guy knows what he is doing. Avatar 2 not only gets critical praise, it also gets audience praise and it will earn well over a billion when all is said and done.
I always found it amusing how people could doubt the director that turned a b movie like the terminator into a blockbuster movie series, blew up the success of Alien, created the then biggest movie of all time Titanic and then beat it again with his very own Avatar.
This guy knows what he is doing. Avatar 2 not only gets critical praise, it also gets audience praise and it will earn well over a billion when all is said and done.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 27, 2022, 10:33:22 PM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 27, 2022, 10:33:22 PM
Jim's latest movie was watered down it seems -
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/james-cameron-avatar-2-deleted-scenes-gun-violence-1235473069/
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/james-cameron-avatar-2-deleted-scenes-gun-violence-1235473069/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 27, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 27, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 11:13:18 AMAnd I stand behind whatever gets me more Popcorn Digest episodes
Oh, we have quite a few of those on the horizon!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Dec 28, 2022, 12:17:54 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 28, 2022, 12:17:54 AM
Glad to hear that ! You took quite a break, you know, so I was worried it was the end of the show
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Dec 28, 2022, 01:18:13 AM
Post by: Gazz on Dec 28, 2022, 01:18:13 AM
Yeah, we've done that a couple of times now, and on neither occasion did we plan on breaking for so long. Just life and the challenges it throws our way. Don't think Popcorn Digest will ever go away for good as it's a great excuse for Andy and I to chat about one of the things we love most (outside each other), cinema!!!
Doesn't sound like it was cut for reasons of censorship, moreso for striking a balance in the film between 'light and dark' as there's still plenty of gunplay on display in the final film. Naturally, he's a different person who frames certain things in a new light compared to how he used to, but it doesn't seem he was actively censoring himself.
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 27, 2022, 10:33:22 PMJim's latest movie was watered down it seems -
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/james-cameron-avatar-2-deleted-scenes-gun-violence-1235473069/
Doesn't sound like it was cut for reasons of censorship, moreso for striking a balance in the film between 'light and dark' as there's still plenty of gunplay on display in the final film. Naturally, he's a different person who frames certain things in a new light compared to how he used to, but it doesn't seem he was actively censoring himself.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Dec 28, 2022, 01:45:06 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 28, 2022, 01:45:06 AM
Quote from: nanison on Dec 27, 2022, 07:45:49 PMThis guy knows what he is doing. Avatar 2 not only gets critical praise, it also gets audience praise and it will earn well over a billion when all is said and done.It needs $2 billion
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 28, 2022, 01:51:32 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 28, 2022, 01:51:32 AM
There's not a hell of lot of competition coming out in the very near future, so it has plenty of time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 28, 2022, 02:23:47 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 28, 2022, 02:23:47 AM
I don't know exactly what it is but while I initially liked Avatar at first over time it became more "meh" for me and Way of the Water just sort of seems "meh" right off the bat.
Like it looks pretty to look at and that's it.
Like it looks pretty to look at and that's it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Dec 28, 2022, 05:07:45 PM
Post by: nanison on Dec 28, 2022, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2022, 01:45:06 AMQuote from: nanison on Dec 27, 2022, 07:45:49 PMThis guy knows what he is doing. Avatar 2 not only gets critical praise, it also gets audience praise and it will earn well over a billion when all is said and done.It needs $2 billion
I know it is far from going break even but even if it doesn't it is still a billion film which is a tough nut to crack.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2022, 05:14:05 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2022, 05:14:05 PM
For what it's worth, with that $2 billion number Cameron was throwing around, it seems like he was referring to that being the break even point for the whole production that spanned The Way of Water, Avatar 3, and a bit of early Avatar 4 material. I don't think that number is exclusively referring to TWOW, since the production of these films was all treated as a lump sum.
If TWOW hits that $2 billion and breaks even, then everything that Avatar 3 makes (barring additional marketing costs in two years, of course) should be pure profit.
If TWOW hits that $2 billion and breaks even, then everything that Avatar 3 makes (barring additional marketing costs in two years, of course) should be pure profit.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Dec 28, 2022, 05:24:20 PM
Post by: nanison on Dec 28, 2022, 05:24:20 PM
The hate the first film got was very excessive. The biggest successes often get the most critic. A minority of haters take over the narrative and in doing so influence a whole lot of other people's opinions over time. This only happens to people spending time on social media or the internet of course. Their way of attacking the film over its simple plot is ridiculous as most blockbusters have relatively simple plots but it is only avatar that gets thrown under the bus for it. A film being derivative is not a problem, most stuff is one way or another.
I remember creed getting lauded with praise while the plot is just a rehash of the first film but the difference is creed didn't become the biggest movie of all time so it doesn't t have a very vocal minority spewing hate over it.
My father doesn't use the internet or social media and he says avatar is one of the best movies he has ever seen. Many casual film fans loved it, it are only the snobbish movie nerds that talk bullshit over it because it is "commercially" successful.
There are also for example Marvel or Star Wars fanboys who attack new IP's in fear of becoming the new "kings"
PS I'm no avatar fanboy, I haven't even seen the sequel.
I remember creed getting lauded with praise while the plot is just a rehash of the first film but the difference is creed didn't become the biggest movie of all time so it doesn't t have a very vocal minority spewing hate over it.
My father doesn't use the internet or social media and he says avatar is one of the best movies he has ever seen. Many casual film fans loved it, it are only the snobbish movie nerds that talk bullshit over it because it is "commercially" successful.
There are also for example Marvel or Star Wars fanboys who attack new IP's in fear of becoming the new "kings"
PS I'm no avatar fanboy, I haven't even seen the sequel.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: littlesprout on Dec 28, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
Post by: littlesprout on Dec 28, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2022, 01:45:06 AMQuote from: nanison on Dec 27, 2022, 07:45:49 PMThis guy knows what he is doing. Avatar 2 not only gets critical praise, it also gets audience praise and it will earn well over a billion when all is said and done.It needs $2 billion
If I remember correctly though, in that 2 billion they've also filmed most of the 3rd film and certain parts for the 4th. So I don't know how that would play out.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 28, 2022, 11:21:36 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 28, 2022, 11:21:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1604116982781153281
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: SiL on Dec 29, 2022, 12:42:22 AM
Post by: SiL on Dec 29, 2022, 12:42:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2022, 05:14:05 PMFor what it's worth, with that $2 billion number Cameron was throwing around, it seems like he was referring to that being the break even point for the whole production that spanned The Way of Water, Avatar 3, and a bit of early Avatar 4 material. I don't think that number is exclusively referring to TWOW, since the production of these films was all treated as a lump sum.He said the sequel needs to make about $2billion to break even itself, not the whole project. 3 might be shot, but the effects work isn't done and that's most of the money spent on these things.
If TWOW hits that $2 billion and breaks even, then everything that Avatar 3 makes (barring additional marketing costs in two years, of course) should be pure profit.
2 underperforming might lead them to leave it as a trilogy.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2022, 03:09:24 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2022, 03:09:24 AM
Avatar is a movie series I would've loved as a preteen.
I like the set design involving human technology. Cameron does future tech in a way I can believe it will actually work. As opposed to somebody who makes a giant milk colored sphere with no obvious propulsion.
That said the dialogue and story are continually hamfisted and corny. The dialogue borders on downright goofy and I tried numerous times not to laugh at it as I listened to it. Saldana was just there to scream angrily this movie, even though when shemight've been the best part.
I did think the extended edition of the original movie was better than the theatrical. Not because many character parts were cut out, but just because the world was better realized and you got more character interactions. I also think the second movie was better than the first TC but not as good as the extended edition.
In short, very good looking movie, but more of the same overall. A little less "meh" overall just because you can call back to the first movie and have a bigger frame of reference with more worldbuilding going on. The worldbuilding is just unfortunate with the humans are greedy and want super magic elements and liquids from our planet trope though. Both of the things humanity is after in both movies feel like asspulls you aren't supposed to think about. But if you don't think about it it is okay.
I'm calling that in the future humanity will have to join forces with the Navi for something they find on Pandora that is capable of killing both species. Then Pandora will fall under overall earth protection after the team up and will be able to live outside human influence. That is my good end scenario.
Otherwise humanity will just get tired of the Navi and just blitz them from orbit where they can't do anything.
I like the set design involving human technology. Cameron does future tech in a way I can believe it will actually work. As opposed to somebody who makes a giant milk colored sphere with no obvious propulsion.
That said the dialogue and story are continually hamfisted and corny. The dialogue borders on downright goofy and I tried numerous times not to laugh at it as I listened to it. Saldana was just there to scream angrily this movie, even though when she
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went psycho
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I did think the extended edition of the original movie was better than the theatrical. Not because many character parts were cut out, but just because the world was better realized and you got more character interactions. I also think the second movie was better than the first TC but not as good as the extended edition.
In short, very good looking movie, but more of the same overall. A little less "meh" overall just because you can call back to the first movie and have a bigger frame of reference with more worldbuilding going on. The worldbuilding is just unfortunate with the humans are greedy and want super magic elements and liquids from our planet trope though. Both of the things humanity is after in both movies feel like asspulls you aren't supposed to think about. But if you don't think about it it is okay.
I'm calling that in the future humanity will have to join forces with the Navi for something they find on Pandora that is capable of killing both species. Then Pandora will fall under overall earth protection after the team up and will be able to live outside human influence. That is my good end scenario.
Otherwise humanity will just get tired of the Navi and just blitz them from orbit where they can't do anything.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 29, 2022, 12:35:03 PM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 29, 2022, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2022, 03:09:24 AMI'm calling that in the future humanity will have to join forces with the Navi for something they find on Pandora that is capable of killing both species. Then Pandora will fall under overall earth protection after the team up and will be able to live outside human influence. That is my good end scenario.
Otherwise humanity will just get tired of the Navi and just blitz them from orbit where they can't do anything.
I reckon the notion of an eventual Navi/Human team-up against a common foe is a reasonable guess for a closure to all this....although it would certainly be interesting to see the collective seizure of audiences if Pandora and it's inhabitants ended up being dealt your 2nd scenario for a more downbeat conclusion. :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Dec 30, 2022, 03:31:40 AM
Post by: nanison on Dec 30, 2022, 03:31:40 AM
I hope Eiffel 65s I'm blue da ba dee plays over the end credits
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 30, 2022, 06:38:54 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 30, 2022, 06:38:54 PM
This sounds like 85% of Cameron's artistical Dark Side with Lucasesque dialogue on top. Think I'll wait for the home release then
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2022, 01:09:23 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2022, 01:09:23 AM
I found this comment (https://gizmodo.com/james-cameron-avatar-the-way-of-water-ss-rajamouli-1849940235?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=dlvrit&utm_content=io9) and I came to share it with you...
And now I ask you...
Who are we to judge Mr. Cameron?
Can we just appreciate that man loves the world that he created? :-\
Quote from: Someone at GizmodoThere are at least two sapient alien species, plus a whole planetary consciousness which might reignite a philosophical debate about what exactly sapience is if we were to ever see such a thing in real life. There are a lot of alien species even in the first movie, and the only reason we don't ascribe sapience to them is because we see them through a human lens: Surely a sapient species wouldn't allow another species to ride them, surely a sapient species would have speech that we could translate. But those animals, and perhaps even some of the plants, could have some level of sapience that just hasn't borne out in the story.
Speaking of that, Cameron has apparently been working on this story for the better part of three decades. For him, there is in fact a whole world or worlds full of stories to tell. That they haven't actually been told yet doesn't mean that it's not a true statement for him. It would be like if you never left your hometown and told someone who had traveled all over the world that their lived experience of a wide world meant nothing, since the most exciting thing you've ever seen was a brawl in the Dairy Queen parking lot.
And now I ask you...
Who are we to judge Mr. Cameron?
Can we just appreciate that man loves the world that he created? :-\
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Dec 31, 2022, 01:16:23 AM
Post by: Master on Dec 31, 2022, 01:16:23 AM
Just got back from screening, and I'll be damn, I've sinked in whole(no punt intended).
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Thing is, while being simple movie, it has one thing no Marvel or recent SW crap seem to grasp. A soul. It was funny (not cringy), it was sad, it had message and most satisfying action sequences I can remember in recent years. On top of that this film is simply beautiful, with all its colour and shape. Also, love the tech. All machines look and feel like real things. Good stuff.
Please mr Cameron hit me again with Avatar 3, cause this one is a real Hit.
Please mr Cameron hit me again with Avatar 3, cause this one is a real Hit.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2022, 01:20:40 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2022, 01:20:40 AM
It's like when my grandma made her delicious food with love. Not like those Marvel/Star Wars cheeseburgers people eat these days.. :'(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 31, 2022, 03:57:28 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 31, 2022, 03:57:28 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2022, 01:20:40 AMIt's like when my grandma made her delicious food with love. Not like those Marvel/Star Wars cheeseburgers people eat these days.. :'(
Yea still I bet your granny didn't make you pay 20 bucks to eat that delicious food ;D
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Dec 31, 2022, 07:40:34 AM
Post by: Master on Dec 31, 2022, 07:40:34 AM
I'd gladly pay such price for my grandma's meals though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: judge death on Jan 01, 2023, 03:25:49 AM
Post by: judge death on Jan 01, 2023, 03:25:49 AM
Found it a decent movie but not as good as avatar 1, the story felt so padded out, 1 hour of not much stuff going on and waiting for the part 3, which was far less epic than avatars final act. Good movie and has a soul and amazing looking movie, but story wise and compared to avatar 1 it felt kinda meh.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 01, 2023, 09:44:09 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 01, 2023, 09:44:09 AM
I think there was a clear design to hook the chilluns in with Avatar 2. In an action movie directors don't usually include kids to that degree in the story without actually aiming it at them as the target audience.
You get navi kids who are essentially human kids with human problems to relate to movie going teens, and then you have a series of movies that the kids will grow up with and remember fondly buying up all the merch and games and books.
You get navi kids who are essentially human kids with human problems to relate to movie going teens, and then you have a series of movies that the kids will grow up with and remember fondly buying up all the merch and games and books.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Jan 01, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 01, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Thing is, kids in this one were not annoying. Not at all. This thing alone is f**king miracle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2023, 10:47:36 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2023, 10:47:36 AM
Until last month I'd only ever seen the first Avatar twice. Once in the cinema, once when it came out on home release. I don't remember being overly impressed with it, but I was willing to go see the second. So the lady decided she wanted to give the first a rewatch before we did, and damn if I didn't have a great time. I think there was some element of edge-lord 20s just wanting to be overly critical the first time around.
Sure, it wasn't the most complex, original or sophisticated narrative but damn if it wasn't entertaining. Genuine heart and enjoyment which looked incredible. Which is how I'd also describe the second. I barely noticed the length of the film, I just sank into the experience.
Only thing I wasn't overly keen on was some of the "bro" and "cuz" dialogue. And it was a little weird sometimes hearing Sigourney's voice come out of a child, but otherwise I just really enjoyed everything that was going on. The action scenes were incredible and I'm surprised at how much I ended up caring for the ocean creatures (I admit I struggle to remember specific names) and that moment
I really want to go re-watch it again, and dive into the comics.
Sure, it wasn't the most complex, original or sophisticated narrative but damn if it wasn't entertaining. Genuine heart and enjoyment which looked incredible. Which is how I'd also describe the second. I barely noticed the length of the film, I just sank into the experience.
Only thing I wasn't overly keen on was some of the "bro" and "cuz" dialogue. And it was a little weird sometimes hearing Sigourney's voice come out of a child, but otherwise I just really enjoyed everything that was going on. The action scenes were incredible and I'm surprised at how much I ended up caring for the ocean creatures (I admit I struggle to remember specific names) and that moment
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of frustration before he joined the fray really hit me.
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I really want to go re-watch it again, and dive into the comics.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2023, 11:58:39 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2023, 11:58:39 AM
One of us! One of us!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 04, 2023, 09:19:30 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 04, 2023, 09:19:30 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1610701020396675072
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Jan 04, 2023, 11:08:38 PM
Post by: irn on Jan 04, 2023, 11:08:38 PM
Nearly at 1.5 billies. Looks like it's going to do well.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 06, 2023, 06:28:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 06, 2023, 06:28:32 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1611427972480700434
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Jan 06, 2023, 07:27:39 PM
Post by: Gazz on Jan 06, 2023, 07:27:39 PM
Well, that puts that to bed.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-cameron-avatar-2-profitable-sequels-1235292374/
QuotePreviously, Cameron made headlines by seemingly speculating that The Way of Water would have to earn at least $2 billion at the box office just to break even and justify a sequel. "To clarify, I never actually gave it a number," Cameron said. "I said it would has to be among the highest-grossing films in history and somebody else applied that number and it got picked up. The number is actually less."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-cameron-avatar-2-profitable-sequels-1235292374/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 11:41:02 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 11:41:02 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1609016500303659009
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 06:35:59 PM
Interesting trivia about the Tulkun 🐋 👁🦋👁
(https://i.ibb.co/59208Vt/Picsart-23-01-07-15-33-42-779.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/59208Vt/Picsart-23-01-07-15-33-42-779.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Space_Dementia on Jan 08, 2023, 12:30:55 PM
Post by: Space_Dementia on Jan 08, 2023, 12:30:55 PM
Avatar The Way of Water is a beautiful, immersive experience that I did enjoy... but didn't love. Technically its stunning, but for me really lacked a soul... the emotional beats just didn't work for me when they should have. Its without a doubt a big cinema experience where you get immersed and lost for 3 hours on Pandora... but it just didn't quite resonate with me like it has a with a lot of other people.
I might just add I have only seen the movie once so maybe it will change on repeat reviewing's.
I might just add I have only seen the movie once so maybe it will change on repeat reviewing's.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 01:39:59 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 01:39:59 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jan 08, 2023, 10:55:15 PM
Post by: nanison on Jan 08, 2023, 10:55:15 PM
No other film franchise in the history of blockbuster films gets as much dirty thrown at it for having a simple plot and dialogue other than avatar 1 and 2. Literally every professional review or review by film fans makes a point out of this. This to me clearly is an example of people aping other people. It cannot possibly be that bad. It feels like there isn't really anything negative to say so everybody dwells on the dialogue and plot as if all other action adventure films have riveting plots. Perhaps the Marvel fans are jealous of the success of this film that nobody wanted yet everybody storms out to see?
I'm defending a film I haven't seen yet but to me it is very irritating to read it in every review.
How many blockbuster films do you know that have a wildly original plot?
I'm defending a film I haven't seen yet but to me it is very irritating to read it in every review.
How many blockbuster films do you know that have a wildly original plot?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 11:06:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 11:06:55 PM
Not nearly enough, mediocrity should not be celebrated.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jan 09, 2023, 12:23:13 AM
Post by: nanison on Jan 09, 2023, 12:23:13 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 11:06:55 PMNot nearly enough, mediocrity should not be celebrated.
Hehe but you are a notorious hater, you hated it from the moment it was announced :P
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:18:34 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:18:34 AM
Did I ten odd years ago? I honestly can't remember. I just know I have not ever liked the space the franchise has taken up in the industry.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 11:06:55 PMNot nearly enough, mediocrity should not be celebrated.
I can't comment on the second, but the first one wasn't mediocre at all.
From a technical and visual aspect alone it was incredible.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:18:34 AMI just know I have not ever liked the space the franchise has taken up in the industry.
Two films in 13 years? They're hardly hogging the market.
There's a Marvel movie every few months.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2023, 10:26:57 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2023, 10:26:57 AM
I'm beginning to think that @BlueMarsalis79 doesn't like James Cameron too much
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:59:24 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:59:24 PM
I do, sometimes a helluva lot, that's why it's frustrating he put his eggs in this basket for me personally.
I really do not find the films very visually impressive, beyond their raw construction every aspect of them I find totally mediocre.
And I didn't say the market, I said the industry, it's more baffling all this time put towards... that.
It is total George Lucas syndrome of putting technology first, and everything else just existing to support that, and it bores me on principle.
I really do not find the films very visually impressive, beyond their raw construction every aspect of them I find totally mediocre.
And I didn't say the market, I said the industry, it's more baffling all this time put towards... that.
It is total George Lucas syndrome of putting technology first, and everything else just existing to support that, and it bores me on principle.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2023, 04:04:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2023, 04:04:02 PM
Don't you ever wonder what his Alien 3 would have been like?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2023, 04:11:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2023, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:59:24 PMAnd I didn't say the market, I said the industry, it's more baffling all this time put towards... that.
It is total George Lucas syndrome of putting technology first, and everything else just existing to support that, and it bores me on principle.
At least there are still film artists like David Fincher, Noah Hawley, David Cronenberg or David Lynch.
Personally, I only like the Avatar movies because I dig the creature design. But beyond that, it is not a story that catches in particular😅👉👈
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 04:21:50 PM
I do not really wonder what his Alien³ or Terminator 3 might have been, especially with Dark Fate as an indicating point, probably pretty good but not all that interesting because he had concluded the stories unambiguously in both cases.
James Cameron really had no interest in them, at the time that they would have been most appropriate, he had other things on his mind and whilst I may find them unenthusing, I would not ask that he make something he had no interest in either.
We know how Terminator Dark Fate turned out for better or worse, and back in 2016 he said he did not see the point in exploring Alien as a franchise further at this point, so a long winded way of saying no not really.
Do I wonder what his and Ridley Scott's Alien V might have been though? f**kin' constantly.
James Cameron really had no interest in them, at the time that they would have been most appropriate, he had other things on his mind and whilst I may find them unenthusing, I would not ask that he make something he had no interest in either.
We know how Terminator Dark Fate turned out for better or worse, and back in 2016 he said he did not see the point in exploring Alien as a franchise further at this point, so a long winded way of saying no not really.
Do I wonder what his and Ridley Scott's Alien V might have been though? f**kin' constantly.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2023, 04:39:37 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2023, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2023, 04:11:58 PMAt least there are still film artists like David Fincher, Noah Hawley, David Cronenberg or David Lynch.
Hey, are you saying that Cameron isn't film artist !? You take that back, YOU TAKE THAT BACK !
>:( >:( >:(
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Ooor ...
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: judge death on Jan 10, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
Post by: judge death on Jan 10, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2023, 09:45:18 AMAgree, first one had a better story, epic ending and clear story with ups and down, see both side preparing for battle and then it happened was much fun.Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 08, 2023, 11:06:55 PMNot nearly enough, mediocrity should not be celebrated.
I can't comment on the second, but the first one wasn't mediocre at all.
From a technical and visual aspect alone it was incredible.Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2023, 03:18:34 AMI just know I have not ever liked the space the franchise has taken up in the industry.
Two films in 13 years? They're hardly hogging the market.
There's a Marvel movie every few months.
Plus the effects and 3D were groundbreaking. All cinemas had to get new screens and it kicked off 3D.
Avatar 2 didnt break new ground and camerons statement how each avatar movie would make groundbreaking new technologiescand experiences in cinemas likd ghe 3D did in 2009 didnt happen.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2023, 09:19:06 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2023, 09:19:06 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Saw this yesterday. People who didn't like the first one aren't going to like this one either... but I really enjoyed it. As others have said, the story and script weren't any improved over the last one, but it's just so beautiful to look at, the action scenes are among the best I've seen in recent years, and while comparisons to Marvel might be apt on a purely technical level, unlike a lot of the films Marvel churns out this really felt like it had a heart and soul.
I think I prefer the first one slightly but I still enjoyed the hell out of this.
I think I prefer the first one slightly but I still enjoyed the hell out of this.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 12, 2023, 02:36:50 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 12, 2023, 02:36:50 PM
I'm just one individual among millions but Nah. I prefer streaming 8) 🤘
I mean, for most movies, and it has always been that way for me. Before streaming, I only went to the movie theater to watch sci-fi / horror (Alien, Star Wars, etc) or fantasy (Harry Potter, LOTR, etc) movies.
For everything else (drama, comedy, romance) I waited for it to come to TV, most of the time😅👉👈 ....
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1613251790589526017
I mean, for most movies, and it has always been that way for me. Before streaming, I only went to the movie theater to watch sci-fi / horror (Alien, Star Wars, etc) or fantasy (Harry Potter, LOTR, etc) movies.
For everything else (drama, comedy, romance) I waited for it to come to TV, most of the time😅👉👈 ....
(https://i.ibb.co/jzWknmV/5wka4q0ljlx61-1.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1613251790589526017
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 17, 2023, 04:54:47 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 17, 2023, 04:54:47 PM
Could you imagine?😅
(https://i.ibb.co/3fyR4Xw/navis-space-avatar-0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1615051302521737217
(https://i.ibb.co/3fyR4Xw/navis-space-avatar-0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1615051302521737217
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 17, 2023, 05:53:44 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 17, 2023, 05:53:44 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2023, 08:34:21 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2023, 08:34:21 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1615766179808673801
https://twitter.com/kelutralro/status/1615799697603727360
https://twitter.com/kelutralro/status/1615799697603727360
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Jan 20, 2023, 11:55:46 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 20, 2023, 11:55:46 PM
Noice. I so ready for evil Na'vi
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Stitch on Jan 22, 2023, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jan 22, 2023, 10:44:49 PM
Saw it yesterday. As a story it's predictable and generic. From a technical standpoint, it's impressive, though the shifting frame rate, even within the same scene, can be awkward and jarring. Some bits look like a video game.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jan 23, 2023, 01:15:31 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jan 23, 2023, 01:15:31 AM
Kudos for the 2nd movie actually hitting that $2 billion box office mark now. Impressive stuff.
But while it was a diverting enough 3 hours for me in 3D, I found it a step down from the initial movie. Although I'd be happy to re-watch the Extended Collector's Edition of the original AVATAR movie at some point, I can't say the same for this follow-up. I think I'd have preferred a much SHORTER cut of this sequel to be honest. That, and less dodgy dialogue at times from the youngsters in this. And bringing back the 'Quaritch' character from the dead to be the saga's ongoing 'big bad' just made things over-familiar too.
However, I'll definitely be there to see the rest of the eventual story in 3D to see how things pan out....but unless it all adds up to something more substantial than this sequel did, then I'll just stick to the initial movie's storyline for my entire AVATAR fix in future, since 'Quaritch' was already satisfyingly dealt with.
But while it was a diverting enough 3 hours for me in 3D, I found it a step down from the initial movie. Although I'd be happy to re-watch the Extended Collector's Edition of the original AVATAR movie at some point, I can't say the same for this follow-up. I think I'd have preferred a much SHORTER cut of this sequel to be honest. That, and less dodgy dialogue at times from the youngsters in this. And bringing back the 'Quaritch' character from the dead to be the saga's ongoing 'big bad' just made things over-familiar too.
However, I'll definitely be there to see the rest of the eventual story in 3D to see how things pan out....but unless it all adds up to something more substantial than this sequel did, then I'll just stick to the initial movie's storyline for my entire AVATAR fix in future, since 'Quaritch' was already satisfyingly dealt with.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 23, 2023, 01:39:21 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 23, 2023, 01:39:21 AM
I think they're going to introduce a tyrannical Na'vi faction or something. Also the whale-like creature returns for Avatar³
Personally, I prefer a different alien civilization instead of another Na'vi culture. But yet, maybe this universe is not for that. Anyway, we're supposed to have Avatar for many centuries! So who knows what might be there? 🤭😅👉👈
(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/happy-excited.gif)
Personally, I prefer a different alien civilization instead of another Na'vi culture. But yet, maybe this universe is not for that. Anyway, we're supposed to have Avatar for many centuries! So who knows what might be there? 🤭😅👉👈
(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/happy-excited.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Jan 24, 2023, 11:31:47 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 24, 2023, 11:31:47 PM
I don't think it's as impossible one would think. Pandora may have dark secret that will finally unite both Na'vi and Human together.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 25, 2023, 01:41:22 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 25, 2023, 01:41:22 AM
I'm pretty sure there that the idea was that humans and Navi would eventually have to come together against one threat way back after the first movie was released. Whether this is the "ash" people are not is the question.
I honestly can't imagine the ash people being any more of a threat than the Navi were. You could flatten everything if you were a spacefaring race and your enemy wasn't if you went gloves off in your conflict. So I think it is something else, or something the ash people release.
I honestly can't imagine the ash people being any more of a threat than the Navi were. You could flatten everything if you were a spacefaring race and your enemy wasn't if you went gloves off in your conflict. So I think it is something else, or something the ash people release.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AM
The Ash People...
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Hek67YBZM
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 25, 2023, 01:04:02 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 25, 2023, 01:04:02 PM
Man has vision gleaned from the wildest corners of consciousness 👁🦋👁👉👈
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC63BPsx-1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC63BPsx-1s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 26, 2023, 03:14:34 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 26, 2023, 03:14:34 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 25, 2023, 01:04:02 PMMan has vision gleaned from the wildest corners of consciousness 👁🦋👁👉👈
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC63BPsx-1s
Those first two stories are hilarious
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 26, 2023, 04:22:22 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 26, 2023, 04:22:22 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 26, 2023, 03:14:34 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 25, 2023, 01:04:02 PMMan has vision gleaned from the wildest corners of consciousness 👁🦋👁👉👈
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC63BPsx-1s
Those first two stories are hilarious
Indeed😅
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Stitch on Jan 26, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jan 26, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AMThe Ash People...Wait. Is that Kratos?Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Hek67YBZM[close]
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 26, 2023, 05:45:32 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 26, 2023, 05:45:32 PM
https://twitter.com/eywasfavorite/status/1614574663191134208
This is a couple weeks old, but hasn't been posted here. Interesting... given the leaked working titles from quite a few years back, I would have assumed that Avatar 3 (tentatively "The Seed Bearer") would have actually been Kiri's movie, with Avatar 4 (tentatively "The Tulkun Rider") being Lo'ak's. Assuming, of course, those titles are accurate, but then, The Way of Water did come off of that list.
Also, I caught The Way of Water a second time a couple days ago (I see a lot of movies on the big screen, but this second viewing actually makes The Way of Water it the first one since COVID struck in 2020 that I've seen twice in its original run in a theater [I very likely would have done the same for Dune in 2021 if not for the simultaneous HBO Max release that I took advantage of for rewatches]). I opted for IMAX 3D for both screenings, since it's a format I'm not going to be able to replicate at home and I wanted to take it in on the big screen that way again before it eventually leaves theaters. Cameron's in top form here; it's a synthesis of so much of his career up to this point (interestingly, Alien: Covenant was kind of that for Scott...), it's an astounding technical achievement, but most importantly, it just speaks to me. I can't help but fall in love with the characters, the world, the science and the fantasy (and the pulp space opera synthesis between the two, yes please), and the overall central metaphor that holds it all together. I'm so excited to see what Cameron does over the next few years as he continues to play around in this world; he was right, back when he said that with Avatar and Pandora, he's created a pretty perfect playground that he can use to tell the kind of stories that he really wants to tell over the next decade or so.
Started making my way through the film's art book last night, and I'm finding myself enamored all over again.
This is a couple weeks old, but hasn't been posted here. Interesting... given the leaked working titles from quite a few years back, I would have assumed that Avatar 3 (tentatively "The Seed Bearer") would have actually been Kiri's movie, with Avatar 4 (tentatively "The Tulkun Rider") being Lo'ak's. Assuming, of course, those titles are accurate, but then, The Way of Water did come off of that list.
Also, I caught The Way of Water a second time a couple days ago (I see a lot of movies on the big screen, but this second viewing actually makes The Way of Water it the first one since COVID struck in 2020 that I've seen twice in its original run in a theater [I very likely would have done the same for Dune in 2021 if not for the simultaneous HBO Max release that I took advantage of for rewatches]). I opted for IMAX 3D for both screenings, since it's a format I'm not going to be able to replicate at home and I wanted to take it in on the big screen that way again before it eventually leaves theaters. Cameron's in top form here; it's a synthesis of so much of his career up to this point (interestingly, Alien: Covenant was kind of that for Scott...), it's an astounding technical achievement, but most importantly, it just speaks to me. I can't help but fall in love with the characters, the world, the science and the fantasy (and the pulp space opera synthesis between the two, yes please), and the overall central metaphor that holds it all together. I'm so excited to see what Cameron does over the next few years as he continues to play around in this world; he was right, back when he said that with Avatar and Pandora, he's created a pretty perfect playground that he can use to tell the kind of stories that he really wants to tell over the next decade or so.
Started making my way through the film's art book last night, and I'm finding myself enamored all over again.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2023, 02:33:31 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2023, 02:33:31 PM
Wow! :o
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1618914209659494402
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1618914209659494402
This only means one thing😱
(https://i.ibb.co/DL0KmL4/Picsart-23-01-27-11-24-42-950.jpg)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jan 27, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 27, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
Fifth ? Only fifth ? WTF ? Go get them, Jimbo !
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Jan 28, 2023, 11:50:08 AM
Post by: irn on Jan 28, 2023, 11:50:08 AM
Big Jimbo has made 3 of the 5 highest grossing films of all time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Jan 28, 2023, 12:41:30 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 28, 2023, 12:41:30 PM
I love the Man.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Jan 28, 2023, 07:50:57 PM
Post by: nanison on Jan 28, 2023, 07:50:57 PM
According to boxofficemojo the film is already all time nr 4 surpassing the force awakens
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 08:01:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 08:01:09 PM
Did @BlueMarsalis79 do her part and see it at least twice?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 29, 2023, 03:24:18 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 29, 2023, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 28, 2023, 11:50:08 AMBig Jimbo has made 3 of the 5 highest grossing films of all time.
Aye, in a way, only Jimbo beats Jimbo lol :laugh:
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1619530900848386048
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Jan 29, 2023, 09:35:52 PM
Post by: irn on Jan 29, 2023, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: irn on Jan 28, 2023, 11:50:08 AMBig Jimbo has made 3 of the 5 highest grossing films of all time.
UPDATED: Big Jimbo has made 3 of the 4 highest grossing films of all time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Jan 30, 2023, 12:35:28 AM
Post by: Master on Jan 30, 2023, 12:35:28 AM
My Man!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1621278706927894533
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2023, 12:14:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2023, 12:14:08 PM
Ooh, Earth. Colour me intrigued.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: irn on Feb 04, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Post by: irn on Feb 04, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2023, 11:56:25 AMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1621278706927894533
Even though I didn't particularly enjoy Avatar 2, I'm looking forward to the sequels. I can imagine the fifth one on Earth is going to involve some kind of human-na'vi alliance.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 04, 2023, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 04, 2023, 02:22:43 PM
Avatar 5: Welcome to Earf
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2023, 07:30:24 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2023, 07:30:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUDKN8jIRA
Excellent video, I just think people have difficulty saying: "Although it is constructed very well, I dislike the script or story." In that essentially people have difficulty separating what they like, from what they also recognise as well crafted.
Excellent video, I just think people have difficulty saying: "Although it is constructed very well, I dislike the script or story." In that essentially people have difficulty separating what they like, from what they also recognise as well crafted.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 04, 2023, 02:22:43 PMAvatar 5: Welcome to Earf
;D
Spoiler
(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/willsmithindependenceday.jpg)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
Joel David Moore:
https://collider.com/avatar-3-norm-joel-david-moore-comments/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URd5WFB_ly4
QuoteMy role is really interesting and really fun and it will continue to be fun in the future. The storylines just get richer, more robust. The world of Pandora expands in a really lovely way. I've read, obviously, we shot two and three at the same time. And I've read four and I'm telling you there is so much joy to come in the world of Avatar. I can't say too much about the actual storylines, but Norm has a really fun, lovely journey ahead of him.
https://collider.com/avatar-3-norm-joel-david-moore-comments/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URd5WFB_ly4
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 12, 2023, 10:58:45 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 12, 2023, 10:58:45 PM
FYI I hate most modern Marvel movies. The first Avatar was cool and a fun watch, looked beautiful. But the story was basic and silly at times. Didn't get really emotionally invested. This was different. This got me crying multiple times. The world was beautiful and the execution was spot on. Cameron made me fall in love with the world. At first I dreaded the sequels cause I thought there wasn't much a story left to tell. But this was not forceful, and some of the premise seems logical.
The execution was so well done that I now can't wait for the sequels. It stayed with me, emotionally.
But I'm not blind to say the story wasn't stupid as hell in most parts. A lot of stupid going on there. But the execution was so well done that it didn't break my immersion. I really was blown away.
In short, I have never seen such a stupid movie be so beautiful, emotional and well executed. So simple and basic, but the style and level of detail is impeccable.
The execution was so well done that I now can't wait for the sequels. It stayed with me, emotionally.
But I'm not blind to say the story wasn't stupid as hell in most parts. A lot of stupid going on there. But the execution was so well done that it didn't break my immersion. I really was blown away.
In short, I have never seen such a stupid movie be so beautiful, emotional and well executed. So simple and basic, but the style and level of detail is impeccable.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2023, 05:39:16 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2023, 05:39:16 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1628448988272939009
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2023, 11:05:44 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2023, 11:05:44 PM
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/1629179597207089153
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 02, 2023, 11:32:42 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 02, 2023, 11:32:42 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 03:54:44 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 03:54:44 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2023, 06:12:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2023, 06:12:01 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1633120349364576261
I'll be holding out for a physical release myself, but immensely excited to see that we will be getting three hours of behind the scenes features. I feel like it's been ages since a home release has been that packed with extras.
I'll be holding out for a physical release myself, but immensely excited to see that we will be getting three hours of behind the scenes features. I feel like it's been ages since a home release has been that packed with extras.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 10:27:51 PM
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 10:27:51 PM
What is bad is that 3 hours of extras on big budget productions used to be on the lite side of things.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 07, 2023, 10:56:25 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 07, 2023, 10:56:25 PM
Is there a longer cut as well?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2023, 10:59:43 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2023, 10:59:43 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 10:27:51 PMWhat is bad is that 3 hours of extras on big budget productions used to be on the lite side of things.
Oh yeah and in extreme cases, the movie is nothing but an expensive 2 hrs trailer for a wonderful making-off😅
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/vBwSWR9/Picsart-23-03-07-19-55-17-523.jpg)
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 10, 2023, 02:11:08 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 10, 2023, 02:11:08 AM
https://twitter.com/PandoranVault/status/1633970423116230656
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 17, 2023, 12:41:42 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 17, 2023, 12:41:42 AM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1636479142274187264
I do not buy that nine hour number for even a second (the post-production budget alone would be absurd), but that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if Cameron actually did have a longer cut of the movie that he'd like to do as a limited series like this. In his one-on-one chat with Denis Villeneuve in 2021, right around the time of Dune's release, he pretty much explicitly said as much, mentioning that he'd love some day to put a movie in theaters and then also present a longer version on streaming. It really isn't a stretch to think he may have had Avatar 3 in mind when making that statement, as it was already shot at the time and it could very well have a lot of stuff that he really likes and wants to show off but would simply be too much to show in the film's theatrical iteration.
I do not buy that nine hour number for even a second (the post-production budget alone would be absurd), but that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if Cameron actually did have a longer cut of the movie that he'd like to do as a limited series like this. In his one-on-one chat with Denis Villeneuve in 2021, right around the time of Dune's release, he pretty much explicitly said as much, mentioning that he'd love some day to put a movie in theaters and then also present a longer version on streaming. It really isn't a stretch to think he may have had Avatar 3 in mind when making that statement, as it was already shot at the time and it could very well have a lot of stuff that he really likes and wants to show off but would simply be too much to show in the film's theatrical iteration.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 17, 2023, 11:23:49 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 17, 2023, 11:23:49 AM
That movie/TV show better have a lot happening and not just 9 hours of beautiful nature.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Mar 18, 2023, 11:55:29 AM
Post by: Master on Mar 18, 2023, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 17, 2023, 12:41:42 AMhttps://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1636479142274187264
I do not buy that nine hour number for even a second (the post-production budget alone would be absurd), but that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if Cameron actually did have a longer cut of the movie that he'd like to do as a limited series like this. In his one-on-one chat with Denis Villeneuve in 2021, right around the time of Dune's release, he pretty much explicitly said as much, mentioning that he'd love some day to put a movie in theaters and then also present a longer version on streaming. It really isn't a stretch to think he may have had Avatar 3 in mind when making that statement, as it was already shot at the time and it could very well have a lot of stuff that he really likes and wants to show off but would simply be too much to show in the film's theatrical iteration.
It's done like this in Poland with every big budget production, especially historical ones :laugh:
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Mar 18, 2023, 01:21:33 PM
Post by: nanison on Mar 18, 2023, 01:21:33 PM
@Master
Are that films like "the deluge", that is a Polish right? I saw some scenes of this on youtube years ago, seemed quite epic and expensive! Don't know what it is about though
Are that films like "the deluge", that is a Polish right? I saw some scenes of this on youtube years ago, seemed quite epic and expensive! Don't know what it is about though
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Mar 18, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
Post by: Master on Mar 18, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
It's is based on famous Polish book trilogy that talks about series of conflicts Polish Kingdom had with it neighbours in XVII century. They are quite good. I would recommend With Fire and Sword (1999) it is the first part and the most recent one (books were adapted in reversed chronology due to political issues).
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 18, 2023, 10:29:30 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 18, 2023, 10:29:30 PM
Das Boot (1981) was also done in a similar way. I also love the 6-hour version.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Mar 19, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
Post by: Master on Mar 19, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 18, 2023, 10:29:30 PMDas Boot (1981) was also done in a similar way. I also love the 6-hour version.
Try watching it in small, hot, dark room, were you can smell your own sweat. That's 100% immersion without 3d!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 19, 2023, 02:25:51 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 19, 2023, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: Master on Mar 19, 2023, 09:25:28 AMI have watched it in all kinds of setups (starting with VHS with a small TV), works great.Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 18, 2023, 10:29:30 PMDas Boot (1981) was also done in a similar way. I also love the 6-hour version.
Try watching it in small, hot, dark room, were you can smell your own sweat. That's 100% immersion without 3d!
Even better with a submarine model (that you spent a week building) beside you.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Master on Mar 19, 2023, 02:35:39 PM
Post by: Master on Mar 19, 2023, 02:35:39 PM
Best film about submarine and one of my all time favorite!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2023, 11:47:28 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2023, 11:47:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1641506045313835025
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Gazz on Mar 31, 2023, 11:07:51 PM
Post by: Gazz on Mar 31, 2023, 11:07:51 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: DarthJoker45 on May 15, 2023, 05:52:24 PM
Post by: DarthJoker45 on May 15, 2023, 05:52:24 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1658140431656579072
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 15, 2023, 08:31:49 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 15, 2023, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on May 15, 2023, 05:52:24 PMhttps://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1658140431656579072
Great, but when do I get a 4K physical media release?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 22, 2023, 01:44:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 22, 2023, 01:44:47 PM
Both Avatar and Avatar: The Way of Water will release on 4K disc on June 20th.
https://people.com/movies/avatar-the-way-of-water-bluray-release-behind-the-scenes-exclusive/
https://people.com/movies/avatar-the-way-of-water-bluray-release-behind-the-scenes-exclusive/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:42 PM
The Abyss fans tearing their eyes out currently.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Stitch on May 23, 2023, 11:36:22 PM
Post by: Stitch on May 23, 2023, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:42 PMThe Abyss fans tearing their eyes out currently.It's coming. Supposedly. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on May 23, 2023, 11:56:30 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on May 23, 2023, 11:56:30 PM
True Lies, though...
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Stitch on May 25, 2023, 04:39:48 AM
Post by: Stitch on May 25, 2023, 04:39:48 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 23, 2023, 11:56:30 PMTrue Lies, though...Also coming. Supposedly. >:(
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on May 25, 2023, 01:41:56 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on May 25, 2023, 01:41:56 PM
Landau said we can possibly expect to see both of those getting a 4K release soon.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on May 26, 2023, 07:17:42 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 26, 2023, 07:17:42 AM
I hope it means True Lies will finally get an uncut UK release.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 12, 2023, 05:16:29 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 12, 2023, 05:16:29 PM
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Post by: T Dog on Jun 12, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Post by: T Dog on Jun 12, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
Quote from: Stitch on May 23, 2023, 11:36:22 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:42 PMThe Abyss fans tearing their eyes out currently.It's coming. Supposedly. >:(
Monkey Paw Wish - The Abyss releases on 4k and blu ray; but Cameron has f**ked with the colour timing and applied a large glaze of DNR.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2023, 03:40:50 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2023, 03:40:50 PM
https://twitter.com/jonlandau/status/1668642094502535170
Avatar 3 delayed to 2025. Also, first look at the Ash People on the monitor.
EDIT: 4 and 5 are delayed as well, now slated for 2029 and 2031.
Avatar 3 delayed to 2025. Also, first look at the Ash People on the monitor.
EDIT: 4 and 5 are delayed as well, now slated for 2029 and 2031.
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Post by: nanison on Jun 13, 2023, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: nanison on Jun 13, 2023, 04:08:32 PM
Here we go again :laugh:
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2023, 05:06:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2023, 05:06:06 PM
It's our lot in life.
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Post by: Stitch on Jun 13, 2023, 05:12:15 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jun 13, 2023, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Jun 12, 2023, 06:57:06 PMPlease don't tempt fateQuote from: Stitch on May 23, 2023, 11:36:22 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:41:42 PMThe Abyss fans tearing their eyes out currently.It's coming. Supposedly. >:(
Monkey Paw Wish - The Abyss releases on 4k and blu ray; but Cameron has f**ked with the colour timing and applied a large glaze of DNR.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Kradan on Jun 13, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 13, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
There's no fate but what we make for ourselves
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 13, 2023, 08:41:11 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 13, 2023, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 13, 2023, 03:40:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/jonlandau/status/1668642094502535170
Avatar 3 delayed to 2025. Also, first look at the Ash People on the monitor.
EDIT: 4 and 5 are delayed as well, now slated for 2029 and 2031.
Jimbo after the release of Avatar 5:
(https://media.tenor.com/v0cBeb_yBgUAAAAC/its-been84years-titanic.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Jun 14, 2023, 01:00:52 AM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Jun 14, 2023, 01:00:52 AM
I.. find that frustrating. I just really don't like how Disney has handled Star Wars and after watching Way of Water, I'm confident that I would watch those over Star Wars any day... Unless it's the originals and maybe Rogue One.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FygumX8X0AAwyTq?format=jpg&name=large)
Can't make out the face very well but yeah, that definitely has to be one of the Ash People in the middle of the frame. Maybe even Oona Chaplin's Varang, their leader.
There were some Avatar 3 images a while back that slipped out on some monitors in the background of TWOW interviews/documentaries that seemed to show
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1669017873170276360
Can't make out the face very well but yeah, that definitely has to be one of the Ash People in the middle of the frame. Maybe even Oona Chaplin's Varang, their leader.
There were some Avatar 3 images a while back that slipped out on some monitors in the background of TWOW interviews/documentaries that seemed to show
Spoiler
Quaritch linking up with the Ash People, so it's interesting seeing Jake positioned with one of them here in this frame. It's going to be a long road for the character, but given TWOW's ending with Quaritch, I do definitely think we're going to see, not quite a full redemption arc perhaps, but definitely him evolving and becoming more in tune with Pandora's biology and with a role of his own to play in whatever Eywa has going on, even if that role ends up being some sort of outside force/agent that becomes a third party totally separate from the Na'vi and the RDA.
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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1669017873170276360
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 15, 2023, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 15, 2023, 12:26:00 AM
Man this is ridiculous, but I guess it's better not to rush things...?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2023, 02:04:53 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2023, 02:04:53 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jun 15, 2023, 12:26:00 AMMan this is ridiculous, but I guess it's better not to rush things...?
I figured delays would be coming for 4 and 5 to be honest – only the opening 20 pages or so of pre-time jump material for 4 have been filmed, and nothing at all for 5's production. Once we learned that bit of info, those two hitting their 2026 and 2028 dates never felt particularly likely to me.
I never expected 3 to have to move from 2024 to 2025, though. But I guess they just needed more time to really get it looking and feeling the way it's supposed to and if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. I'd rather see it done right not just rushed just to hit an arbitrary predetermined date, and heck, we waited a lot longer than this for The Way of Water.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 25, 2023, 01:48:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 25, 2023, 01:48:44 PM
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Post by: Wweyland on Aug 25, 2023, 08:01:45 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Aug 25, 2023, 08:01:45 PM
Looks good, I hope it's not as forgettable as the first Avatar game.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 15, 2023, 06:10:26 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 15, 2023, 06:10:26 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BillHuntBits/status/1724809915410321614
More than a little annoyed about the Avatar release here, since it includes the alt. cuts of the film that were not on the release from just a few months back. Hate when the studio expects double dipping like this.....
More than a little annoyed about the Avatar release here, since it includes the alt. cuts of the film that were not on the release from just a few months back. Hate when the studio expects double dipping like this.....
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Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:04:22 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:04:22 PM
There are three versions of Avatar?
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 04:08:12 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:04:22 PMThere are three versions of Avatar?
Yep. The Special Edition adds a few extra minutes to the film and was done as a theatrical re-release in early 2010. Later on in 2010, the Collector's Extended Cut, which added even more back to the movie, was released on Blu-ray.
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Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:29:48 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:29:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 04:08:12 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 04:04:22 PMThere are three versions of Avatar?
Yep. The Special Edition adds a few extra minutes to the film and was done as a theatrical re-release in early 2010. Later on in 2010, the Collector's Extended Cut, which added even more back to the movie, was released on Blu-ray.
Ah, I knew about the extended cut but not the special edition.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
If you want to get technical, you could actually argue that there are five different cuts. In addition to the three core versions, there's also the family friendly audio track version (which, shockingly, is not a Disney thing! That was something Cameron released back in 2010) and the re-release version from 2022 which is, for all intents and purposes, the theatrical cut, but with an additional brief exchange between Parker and Jake at the end which sets up the RDA's return in the sequel.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2023, 06:16:25 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2023, 06:16:25 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:36:28 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:36:28 AM
Just stop making Avatar movies. Come back to the Alien franchise.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 22, 2023, 12:54:35 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 22, 2023, 12:54:35 AM
Let him do what he wants.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 03:20:49 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 03:20:49 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:36:28 AMJust stop making Avatar movies. Come back to the Alien franchise.
I can't imagine that anyone wanting him to step away from the Avatar movies would actually like anything he'd use a new Alien movie to say/do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 04:13:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 04:13:16 AM
I say we let the Strause brothers take another crack.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 23, 2023, 01:50:34 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 23, 2023, 01:50:34 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 03:20:49 AMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:36:28 AMJust stop making Avatar movies. Come back to the Alien franchise.
I can't imagine that anyone wanting him to step away from the Avatar movies would actually like anything he'd use a new Alien movie to say/do.
I'm trying to figure out that sentence. Meanwhile, I admire the effort he put into writing Aliens, which is the reason why I think he should go back. I can't say the same for the content of the recent Avatar movie.
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Post by: nanison on Nov 23, 2023, 02:29:27 AM
Post by: nanison on Nov 23, 2023, 02:29:27 AM
He will not walk away from the most successful movie franchise of all time
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 24, 2023, 02:22:25 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 24, 2023, 02:22:25 AM
Same with others who won't walk away from the likes of Barbie, etc., but they can and sometimes do.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 02:36:09 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 02:36:09 AM
James Cameron created Avatar as a fertile playground in which he can explore all of the ideas he wants to explore right now and get them on screen, and he has had resounding success in doing so – clearly audiences are eating these movies up.
I'd be hard pressed to imagine him throwing all of that away to return to a series that he didn't create and hasn't been involved with since 1986, and I'd be equally hard pressed to imagine that anyone that isn't into James Cameron's contemporary work would even be fond of what he'd likely do with a new Alien film nowadays anyways.
I'd be hard pressed to imagine him throwing all of that away to return to a series that he didn't create and hasn't been involved with since 1986, and I'd be equally hard pressed to imagine that anyone that isn't into James Cameron's contemporary work would even be fond of what he'd likely do with a new Alien film nowadays anyways.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Nov 24, 2023, 10:40:50 PM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 24, 2023, 10:40:50 PM
That's why the new movie is better than the previous one. /s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
Yeah it's really bad. /s
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 06, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 06, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
https://twitter.com/comingsoonnet/status/1732439512431673674
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Post by: irn on Dec 06, 2023, 05:33:18 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 06, 2023, 05:33:18 PM
That's good news. Having the future third highest grossing film in history being called The Seed Bearer might be too much.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: ralfy on Dec 07, 2023, 01:06:55 AM
Post by: ralfy on Dec 07, 2023, 01:06:55 AM
Slangwise, "bad" means "good". Meanwhile, in terms of revenues, it's like McDonaldization.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2023, 10:57:34 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2023, 10:57:34 PM
'Avatar 3' Has 'Greater Character Depth' and 'Avatar 4' Has a Six-Year Time Jump, Reveals James Cameron: Filming Continues 'After Three Is Released'
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/avatar-4-time-jump-james-cameron-shot-half-film-1235835128/
Shot in the dark here, but it's just a gut feeling I've had for a while in regards to the sequels and these comments from Jimbo seem to solidify it in my mind: I bet Jake dies in the third one, and the opening of the fourth deals with some of the immediate fallout/ramifications of that before jumping (which we now know will be a six year jump) far enough into the future to further plant the children (young adults by that point, really) firmly as the leads for the last two installments.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/avatar-4-time-jump-james-cameron-shot-half-film-1235835128/
Shot in the dark here, but it's just a gut feeling I've had for a while in regards to the sequels and these comments from Jimbo seem to solidify it in my mind: I bet Jake dies in the third one, and the opening of the fourth deals with some of the immediate fallout/ramifications of that before jumping (which we now know will be a six year jump) far enough into the future to further plant the children (young adults by that point, really) firmly as the leads for the last two installments.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1736481429750755456
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 18, 2023, 01:56:59 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 18, 2023, 01:56:59 PM
It's about f**king time.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2024, 03:09:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2024, 03:09:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744737528190796057
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2024, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2024, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2024, 03:09:52 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744737528190796057
I honestly liked the last movie quite a lot. Can't wait for part three. 8)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 03, 2024, 11:08:57 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 03, 2024, 11:08:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1752846224426680445
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2024, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 05, 2024, 06:43:00 PM
Quote"We're fully written through movie five, and I've got ideas for six and seven, although I'll probably be handing the baton on at that point. I mean, mortality catches up. But I mean, we're enjoying what we're doing. We're loving it. We get to work with great people."
https://collider.com/james-cameron-avatar-6-7-ideas/
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2024, 07:28:58 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2024, 07:28:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/276Gr6B/GF6yar6-Xg-AALdz-Q.jpg)
Lyle hive rise up.
Lyle hive rise up.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 09, 2024, 07:47:31 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 09, 2024, 07:47:31 PM
I heard there's a hostile Na'vi faction in this upcoming movie.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2024, 07:55:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2024, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 09, 2024, 07:47:31 PMI heard there's a hostile Na'vi faction in this upcoming movie.
We know that the film introduces a new faction of "Ash People" (led by Oona Chaplin's Varang) and in some images that were seen online, it seems like...
Spoiler
...they might be making a pact/alliance of some sort with Quaritch.
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2024, 08:07:17 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2024, 08:07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAvatarMovies/status/1755728862497927333
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2024, 08:27:18 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2024, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2024, 08:07:17 PMhttps://twitter.com/TheAvatarMovies/status/1755728862497927333
(https://s13.gifyu.com/images/SCt1K.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 12, 2024, 06:29:39 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 12, 2024, 06:29:39 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAvatarMovies/status/1757087650119377288
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2024, 09:10:43 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2024, 09:10:43 PM
https://twitter.com/kelutralro/status/1760009547375145463?t=FPzd78zwoCq4rgGH-2-aXg&s=19
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2024, 10:04:34 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2024, 10:04:34 PM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Mar 23, 2024, 01:11:38 PM
Post by: nanison on Mar 23, 2024, 01:11:38 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2024, 10:04:34 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9h4wLJrVXA
I'm sure James is crying himself to sleep everyday, just like I did after watching a mere 3 min of this incredibly annoying youtube video.
Some people seemingly just can't accept that they were wrong about avatar and especially the sequel. It was going to flop, it took too long to release, nobody cared etc. Well the box office told a different story. Not unimportant, the reviews for both films were generally positive too no matter how loud people moan about Avatar it is a resounding success
Sorry BlueMarsalis79 I know you are one of those who hates it with a passion, you're going to have to live through another couple of sequels :P
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2024, 01:40:22 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2024, 01:40:22 PM
Someone did not bother to actually watch it, it is also about how sweet and endearing the fringe Avatar fandom actually are, as well as the fact that they are designed to be big event pictures; not necessarily cultural touchstones.
If you want an actual critical video about Avatar worth your time, this on the score absolutely rules, but I am biased as I never even liked any of the work of James Horner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5sX8VmvB8
If you want an actual critical video about Avatar worth your time, this on the score absolutely rules, but I am biased as I never even liked any of the work of James Horner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5sX8VmvB8
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2024, 01:49:44 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2024, 01:49:44 PM
Really hoping for Frontiers of Pandora to reach Steam.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Mar 23, 2024, 11:42:08 PM
Post by: nanison on Mar 23, 2024, 11:42:08 PM
@BlueMarsalis79
So it is a positive video?! I could not tell for a number of reason. First it was a post of you, 2nd the title and 3rd the opening minutes. The main reason for not watching it was the presentation and irritating humor of the youtuber though.
So it is a positive video?! I could not tell for a number of reason. First it was a post of you, 2nd the title and 3rd the opening minutes. The main reason for not watching it was the presentation and irritating humor of the youtuber though.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 06:51:43 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2024, 06:51:43 PM
I like the Avatar universe, and it's admirable how passionate James Cameron is about his world.
Still, sometimes I wonder if the Avatar fandom exists, like in the case of Star Wars, Star Trek or even our beloved Alien & Predator.
Still, sometimes I wonder if the Avatar fandom exists, like in the case of Star Wars, Star Trek or even our beloved Alien & Predator.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2024, 06:55:13 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2024, 06:55:13 PM
So long as I'm alive, the Avatar fandom still exists.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2024, 09:19:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2024, 09:19:14 PM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeDNtYXJzYWM3cmkybmFnczJ6OXZhMmhkamZpNjBmdHI3cGc1dDZxdiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/s239QJIh56sRW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 25, 2024, 09:22:36 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 25, 2024, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2024, 06:55:13 PMSo long as I'm alive, the Avatar fandom still exists.
A thousand generations live in you now.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2024, 09:25:34 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2024, 09:25:34 PM
I think it's cute. Well, parts of it.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: nanison on Mar 26, 2024, 10:52:37 AM
Post by: nanison on Mar 26, 2024, 10:52:37 AM
I wasn't even aware the AvP franchise had a fandom. I'm only aware of Marve/DC and Star Wars fandom existence.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1775917174722306506
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 05:50:25 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 05:50:25 PM
it's lovely ^^👉👈
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2024, 01:56:34 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2024, 01:56:34 AM
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2024, 05:16:30 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2024, 05:16:30 PM
QuoteGiven the event's reflective and retrospective context, Cameron offered little new information about his three upcoming "Avatar" sequels. However, he reassured the audience that work on Part 3 is coming along for an intended late 2025 release and that the scripts for the subsequent volleys are finished, the designs nearly locked and 3D modeling just about to begin.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/james-cameron-fantastic-voyage-remake-very-soon-1235961640/
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 06, 2024, 03:21:05 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 06, 2024, 03:21:05 AM
James Cameron's Big Avatar 3 Promise: "Whatever You Think It's Going To Be, It Isn't"
"We're exploring other cultures on the planet, and solidifying the bad-guy story," James Cameron said
"We're exploring other cultures on the planet, and solidifying the bad-guy story," James Cameron said
QuoteJames Cameron, the mastermind behind The Terminator, Aliens and Titanic, has an exhibition opening in Paris Thursday showcasing his lesser-known skills with pencil and paper. The Art of James Cameron is at the Cinematheque Francaise until January. The 69-year-old met AFP there to discuss the childhood origins of his films, his thoughts on artificial intelligence and a few teasers about the third Avatar film, due in 2025. How important was drawing when you were a child? Drawing was everything. It's how I processed the world. I was reading, watching films, taking in all the storytelling, and I just had to tell my own. I remember very distinctly (aged eight or nine), I went to see the film 'Mysterious Island'. And I was so amazed by the big creatures and the giant crab, but I didn't go back and draw 'Mysterious Island'. I drew my own version with different animals.
I remember in high school being very serious about disciplining myself to draw in all kinds of different styles. I created my own comics. I thought maybe I'll write a novel and illustrate it. They didn't have graphic novels yet, but I was thinking in panels... so I was really thinking in shots. The transition into filmmaking was really pretty easy.
How did these early drawings inspire your films?
(My first Avatar drawing) was done when I was 19 so that was 50 years ago. That drawing led me to think about a bioluminescent world and I wrote a story about that in the late 70s. In the early 90s, when I founded a visual effects company and we were trying to do computer-generated characters and creatures, I needed a script about another planet, and so I went back and found that artwork, and that became Avatar- in 1995.
The Terminator image came to me in a dream. I was sick, I had a high fever, and in that fever dream, I saw a chrome skeleton emerging out of a raging fire. I drew it right away. And then I thought: 'How did he get in the fire? What did he look like before?' And I knew instinctively that he looked human before the fire.
I had dreams as a kid of going through watery tunnels at high speed, kind of like a circulatory system, that wound up in the abyss. I had a nightmare about being in a room where the walls were covered with hornets that would kill me, and that became the scene in 'Aliens' where she runs into the egg chamber.
Are kids today losing these skills due to technology?
I don't think we can go back, but I think it's important for people to unplug from time to time. It's important to spend time in nature, to spend time with yourself, just quiet the mind. People are very creative but if you're constantly being bombarded by other people's creativity with movies, games, with the constant flood of media, it tends to stunt it.
Drawing is becoming a lost art. Even the artists that work with me now, they don't usually put pencil to paper. They think of me as the dinosaur because I come in and draw something. But I have to feel it in the lines and textures.
Are you worried about artificial intelligence?
The problem is there's multiple flavours of AI, some of which aren't here yet. Artificial general intelligence is a giant question mark. I think we should definitely pump the brakes on that.
In terms of generative AI... that's really interesting because the data they scrape is all the imagery that human beings have ever created. We're putting our subconscious mind out into the world, and it's coming back to us through these images. That's why they're so compelling, because it's really us writ large. We're going to learn something about consciousness and about art.
But there's no original. There's no paint on a canvas. You can use gen-AI to create music, but you can't take it on the road. I think the human artist becomes more important. Music is going to have to be about the actual moment of performance.
Can you give us an update on Avatar 3?
In movie three, we're in a transitional state between fighting for the survival of Earth and of Pandora. We're exploring other cultures on the planet, and solidifying the bad-guy story. There's a bunch of new things that happen to the Sully family... and we drop in one important new character who then becomes a major part of the story. You've got to remember this is a story arc that goes from one all the way to five, and we're right in the middle.
But I can promise this: Whatever you think it's going to be, it isn't.
https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/james-camerons-big-avatar-3-promise-whatever-you-think-its-going-to-be-it-isnt-5373422
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 06, 2024, 12:39:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 06, 2024, 12:39:16 PM
Okay James, surprise me!
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 05:42:33 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 05:42:33 PM
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I hope there are surprises :)🙏
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I hope there are surprises :)🙏
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Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 23, 2024, 05:08:26 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 23, 2024, 05:08:26 PM
https://twitter.com/theoceanblooms/status/1782801029706223818
Incredible.
Incredible.
Title: Re: James Cameron's Avatar Blockbuster-o-logy
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 23, 2024, 05:18:46 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 23, 2024, 05:18:46 PM
Squidward cameo pls