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First poster is up.
Beat me. Can't post this up 'till later tonight when I'm at home but it looks good. Didn't realise it was a poster for comics until I noticed the Aliens one in the background.
"Three World War!"
Awesome!!
http://www.superherohype.com/imageGallery/Comic-Con/Comic-Con_2009/Comic-Con_2009_22.jpg
It's so cool to see Dark Horse promoting Aliens comics at the Con like this.
I'm looking foward to seeing what Aliens/Pred Con promos come out. ;D
shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
its about time we heard something of this.
This looks awesome but does anybody know who the artist on this is going to be?
Well I think its a safe bet that Swanland will stay on as the cover artist, and I'm fairly certain Arcudi is continuing writing, making this a 'third act' of sorts, wrapping together the other two series.
As to who will be doing interior art, I have no idea as of yet.
The title of the series is clever -- excited!
Arcudi is writing. I've asked Swanland if it's his work (we'll be having a short interview with him in the coming months BTW).
Predator design looks like shit.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Press-Releases/1752/Dark-Horse-Unveils-the-Next-Wave-of-Comics-Graphic-Novels-Manga-and-More-at-SDCC-09-7-23-09
- Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War—The 2009 relaunch of the Aliens and Predator series comes together with a creative team of John Arcudi and Rick Leonardi.
Leonardi did Green Lantern vs. Aliens if I remember right, which was very good, one of the best of the crossovers.
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Titled "Three World War," the six-issue miniseries kicks off in January and is fittingly written by "Aliens" and "Predator" scribe John Arcudi with art by Rick Leonardi."
;D
Same design as in Aliens. The art is amazing! And so you know, Raymond is gonna release his covers as prints.
Quoteeven a series of movies, with the third film slated for release in 2010
please say it isn't so. I hope their mistaking AVP3 for 'Predators'
Glad to hear this will be longer than a 4 parter. What I really wanna know is, after this AVP three world war, is that it? Or will we be seeing more A/P comics if these initial reboots to well? Not too thrilled that it looks like the aliens are gonna be dumbed down yet again though.
I'm asking that in our upcoming interview. :) And I think he's thinking of Predators.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 24, 2009, 02:37:13 PM
Quoteeven a series of movies, with the third film slated for release in 2010
please say it isn't so. I hope their mistaking AVP3 for 'Predators'
Yeah, I'm hoping they don't use any of Rodriguez's concepts in the new books. Bad enough Dark Horse has gotten softer over the years.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
And so you know, Raymond is gonna release his covers as prints.
YES! I was really hoping to hear this! He's already made one sale!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
And so you know, Raymond is gonna release his covers as prints.
hell yeah.
I'm not the only one who notices the Predator is holding three Aliens with one hand using a chain leash, right?
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2009, 11:03:02 PM
I'm not the only one who notices the Predator is holding three Aliens with one hand using a chain leash, right?
Nope, I happened to notice that too.
Personally, I DO NOT like the idea of it.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2009, 11:03:02 PM
I'm not the only one who notices the Predator is holding three Aliens with one hand using a chain leash, right?
I noticed it, too - and that one isn't the only Predator who's doing that.
They're
literally using Aliens as hunting dogs.
Like I commented on the front page, wasn't the message of '
Alien Resurrection' that they could never be conditioned and controlled, only quarantined?
Maybe Weyland-Yutani had the right idea, after all, guys!
Being it's a comic, I don't mind so much.
Being I interact with Predator fanboys on the web repeatedly ... FFS.
I noticed that, but I'm reserving judgment till I can see it in context.
I have one question, as I have only read the free comic book day issue of the alien/pred/avp series. What is up with the mandible things on the alien?
Nobody knows yet, and I would advise not making too big a deal about it.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jul 25, 2009, 04:19:30 PM
Nobody knows yet, and I would advise not making too big a deal about it.
OK, thanks. it looks cool, but I was just curious, as they did not look like that in the Free Comic Book Day issue.
The FCBD issue was primarily a flashback (to the old dark horse books). Thus the difference.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jul 25, 2009, 04:19:30 PM
Nobody knows yet, and I would advise not making too big a deal about it.
:D Yes, I'm learning to be very careful what I say around here. :D
I checked out Leonardi's interiors on a Star Wars mini he did for Darkhorse and they look solid so hopefully this will be a good read.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jul 25, 2009, 04:40:56 AM
I noticed that, but I'm reserving judgment till I can see it in context.
Wasn't that what a lot of people said about the scene in '
Requiem', where it holds a couple of them up in the sewer? :)
There isn't
any plausible context which makes me happy about this. Not that I care much, because it's a comic, but the whole point of these 'versus' matches should be to exemplify how massively confrontational
any meeting between the relevant factions should be.
Hmm, awesome cover, but the fact they seem to be using Aliens as weapons strikes me as odd.
The Doctor in Aliens: Labyrinth got it to tame an Alien Drone. I think the Predators have over 4000 Years experience with the Aliens, they use Queens to get Eggs and have a very advanced technology. When everyone can tame Aliens, than the Predators ;)
Tamed? Dude needed a full body rig covered in electric prods to take it for a "walk". The second they weren't covered in restraints or electrified they were tearing people to pieces.
These Predators have them on a leash.
It's kind'a hard being an Alien fan and taking issue with AvPR, when it's based on source material that has this horseshit in it.
Ah, SiL. Tactful as always.
...
(He does realize the book doesn't come out till January, right?)
I'm going to try very hard to reserve judgement until I actually read this. But the cover is confusing (although the art is 1st rate).
Are we shocked though? Aliens aren't exactly the best represented in the AvP comics.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jul 26, 2009, 01:31:47 AM
Ah, SiL. Tactful as always.
...
(He does realize the book doesn't come out till January, right?)
....
so you think this is the first time?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2009, 09:43:12 PM
Are we shocked though? Aliens aren't exactly the best represented in the AvP comics.
Shocked, no.
Disappointed, yes.
QuoteI noticed that, but I'm reserving judgment till I can see it in context.
The only context this could work is where the Aliens go "Muthaf**ka try and put a chain on me?" *chomp*
The 'branding' on the forehead reminds me of the end of Aliens Book 2, which ended exactly in the way it should've.
And I have a feeling this will be similar. [meaningless conjecture] I think we'll probably still have a bit of Pred feuding going on come January, and one of those two factions (the one we're not supposed to be rooting for) is going to be stupid and try to tie aliens to their sleigh, so that they can give presents to all the good little Yautja boys and girls. However, the queen only allows them to do this so long as they keep her locked up, so when she escapes, there is much Santa Predator gore everywharz. [/meaningless conjecture]
Well hot damn, I figured they'd eventually do more AvP comics, but I didn't realize we'd get news of it so soon. Having the same writer onboard for all 3 series should at least allow for some internal consistency, if not some clever crossover/plot reference stuff.
Looks cool, if abit stupid. Besides, how offten do the covers reflect what is on the inside, art or story wise? Pretty rarely.
Case in point: "Predator: Homeworld". :P
In Aliens:Rogue the mad scientist behind that particular operation had several genetically engineered xenomorphs that would come to him via an electronic signal like a dog whistle. And then the dude was able to walk up ,and the pet the scary buggers. I could see the Predators breeding them, like the ones in the AVP flicks for faster growth. Maybe there is a caste of Wrangler Preds in charge breeding better Aliens to hunt, or developing methods of keeping the Aliens from getting too out of control on hunts. Or else, more likely, the Pred just has the Aliens on chains so he looks more macho to his posse.
AvPGalaxy - You finally revealed the new Aliens vs Predator series at SDCC. Three World War. We know John Arcudi is writing it but what else can you tell us?
Chris Warner - Actually, John won't be writing the series after all, but luckily Randy Stradley will be, who wrote the original series and who, I think, has a better handle on AVP than anyone else. Randy was actually the first person I offered AVP to, and fortunately when John had to bow out, Randy stepped up. Much as I love working with John, I've wanted to work with Randy again on a series forever, since I honestly believe he's one of the best writers in all of comics. And with Rick Leonardi pencilling, one of my all-time favorite comics artists, I think the series is going to kick ass big time.
AvPGalaxy - And why the subtitle for AvP when you didn't have any for the other two?
Chris Warner - Both Aliens and Predator are leading into AVP, which has never happened before, so we see it as a major event. When Dirk Wood, our Director of Marketing, suggested the title, I just couldn't not use it.
AvPGalaxy - The most recent AvP comics have been digest style novels - Thrill of the Hunt and Civilized Beasts. Will Three World War be serialized like the Aliens and Predator or be a digest novel?
Chris Warner - It's a six-issue comic-book series.
AvPGalaxy - Thrill of the Hunt and Civilized Beasts all played very heavily on the AvP movies. And from the the artwork released, it looks like Three World War will be?
Chris Warner - Not really. The story takes place in the future, so it doesn't have a direct connection to the AVP films. But there are definite tie-ins to our very first AVP series.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/index.php?main=site§ion=interview_chris_warner
Color me interested! Thanks for the interview, that's some great stuff. :)
I wonder why John Arcudi had to bow out? I thought his Predator & Aliens series were leading up to the Aliens vs Predator story. Now someone else is going to write it? I hope this doesn't mess up the continuity of what was planned.
It might still be, even without Arcudi's involvement.
I imagine it will still be lead upto. The designs and the reluctance to talk about them. But Randy Stradley! That's just as much as win.
Its just like the good old days...but with Raymond Swanland covers!
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ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #1 (of 6)
Randy Stradley (W), Rick Leonardi (P), Wes Dzioba (C), and Raymond Swanland (Cover)
On sale Jan 13
FC, 40 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
A centuries-old interstellar conflict threatens humanity's very existence as a long-lost Predator clan stakes its claim for galactic dominance, intent on exterminating its rival clan, the selfsame trophy hunters who have plagued Earth's history and every world they have touched. And if the advanced technology and military precision of this new threat weren't enough, they have an even more terrifying weapon at their disposal—Aliens, weaponized and under their malefic control. This puts earthmen in the dangerous position of parlaying with the same alien warriors who have relentlessly hunted them, and who better to carry out the negotiations than Machiko Naguchi, the only human known to have spent time alongside the Hunters.
- Features the creative team of original AvP writer Randy Stradley and penciller Rick Leonardi (Cloak and Dagger, Uncanny X-Men, Vigilante), and stunning cover art by Raymond Swanland (Aliens, Predator).
- Ties together story threads introduced in the original AvP series and new Aliens and Predator storylines, setting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined!
Celebrating twenty years of terror and excitement!
ugh...Good God, SiL, you were right...
Dosen't sound too horrible! Much better than either film anyway.
I still have a little hope that Stradley can pull it off. However, that being said, this is the guy who originally marginalized the xenos...
Color me surprised that they're outright going to reference other Aliens/Predator comics, AND use Machiko Noguchi.
Also, when they say "weaponized", I suspect that means "they THINK they have the Aliens under control, and things go horribly wrong".
I'm also intrigued about this other faction of Predators. If he manages to name-drop "Hish" and "Yautja" and clear that up in one fell swoop, it'd be pretty hilarious.
When's the first issue coming out?
Thanks. This looks pretty cool I must say.
Looks quite cool. However, if this was the storyline for the third entry of the film series. I could see fans swinging from the ceiling like rabid chimps over "how they raped their childhood".
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 07, 2009, 02:18:13 AM
Also, when they say "weaponized", I suspect that means "they THINK they have the Aliens under control, and things go horribly wrong".
You wanna put the alternative past them?
Given all the EU's been able to come up with? :P
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Aug 26, 2009, 11:58:58 AM
Its just like the good old days...but with Raymond Swanland covers!
Which is why they can't make sales.
I must admit, now that the news has had some time to settle, I like the idea of Machiko coming back, because her 'arc' never really got a solid conclusion. She didn't have much resolution at the end of 'War' unless you want to somehow throw Hunter's Planet in there.
Also, if they do manage to settle the Yautja/Hish thing with this 'Rogue' Predator tribe, that would be great. In fact, it really kind of makes sense that Anytime and Pussyface would have been Hish, but that Scar and the gang would have been Yautja. I just don't like all the contention between the rival camps.
Thirdly, I have to go with SiL. Weaponized aliens makes me cringe. I do think something will go wrong and the aliens will get loose, and I do think it will be a good story, however, I do not think the aliens will be properly handled in it.
Quoteweaponized aliens
oh COME ON. seriously? Even predators should have figured out that this never ends well. And I can already speculate that these "weaponized" aliens will be little more than background cannon fodder. And are they really gonna have these two rival predator fractions be something akin to Yautja in Hish?
On the other-hand I am kinda interested in the return of Machiko.
Yeah, looks like the Aliens won't be playing a relevant part in this.
Can we send some kind of general letter of fan dissent to Fox?
It should go,
Dear Fox,
Stop it, seriously.
Regards,
Alien Fans Everywhere.
That, plus a few thousand signatures. Lets do it.
weak Aliens vs bigdick Predator has gotten so old now.
It's the comics. They don't really know anything else.
I just watched that Science Of The Xenomorph video - Perry and Stradley espousing how dumb Aliens are.
Quel surprise...
"Aliens is the only Alien film! And they were utter morons in that movie!"
"The one where Cameron wanted to show them consciously cutting the power?"
"UTTER MORONS!
What little benefit of the doubt I gave Perry evaporated when watching that extra.
Man, I haven't even watched it and I no longer give Perry the benefit of the doubt.
Hey guys....on what dvd would I find that Perry/Stradley interview extra?
I watched it here (http://www.dailymotion.com/user/thedus/video/x5xq52_science-of-the-xenomorph_shortfilms). Think it's on the bonus AvP:Poo disk.
Labradors could definitely cut off the power to an entire building. :D
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
"Aliens is the only Alien film! And they were utter morons in that movie!"
"The one where Cameron wanted to show them consciously cutting the power?"
"UTTER MORONS!
The worst thing about this whole business is that them cutting the power was only the most obvious display of intelligence.
One has to wonder how shallowly Perry and Stradley are considering the
ALIEN movies to turn the most physically potentious species known to man into cannon fodder.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 07, 2009, 03:02:47 PM
Also, if they do manage to settle the Yautja/Hish thing with this 'Rogue' Predator tribe, that would be great. In fact, it really kind of makes sense that Anytime and Pussyface would have been Hish, but that Scar and the gang would have been Yautja. I just don't like all the contention between the rival camps.
Ehhh... the problem with the Hish (at least the ones from Forever Midnight) is that they just didn't act like Predators. Like, they didn't act anything like the ones from
any of the movies.
I mean, from a "fanboy" perspective I guess I can see the desire to split off the Predator/Predator2 Preds from the AvP ones, but I really don't think the AvP ones acted all that differently.
So far the "teched-up" Preds in the current Predator comic series are something I'd label as the Hish, because they really haven't acted like movie Preds, whereas the ones that look more "normal"
have acted like movie Preds.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 08, 2009, 02:03:47 AM
One has to wonder how shallowly Perry and Stradley are considering the ALIEN movies to turn the most physically potentious species known to man into cannon fodder.
So shallow you couldn't drown a baby.
It's unfortunate that it has come to the stage where I can accept that the EU will never treat the Aliens favorably especially as I do prefer that franchise over Predator.
...but the EU has treated Aliens favorably.
'AvP: Duel'
'AvP: Annual'
AvP PC games
A minority. You've gotta admit it.
Well, and frankly, even in Prey,
every single Predator was taken out except Da'chande by about 2/3 through the story, and at that point, there were still aliens abounding. Frankly, there were more protagonists left alive at the end of Aliens then there were at the end of Prey, and no one accuses that movie of shortchanging the aliens. Now true, in this case, a lot of those protagonists were killed by Predators, but still. I feel like I need to reread Prey now to make a fresh assessment.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2009, 06:32:46 PM
A minority. You've gotta admit it.
Total EU AVP stories (that I'm aware of)(left off AVP1 PC and AVP:Extinction because they lacked an actual plot):
the original story (Prey)
Duel
War
Booty
Deadliest of the Species
Eternal
Annual
Xenogenesis
Thrill of the Hunt
Civilized Beasts
AVP2 PC
Yes, still a minority. But frankly, in such a small base of stories, its not surprising, especially when you take into account two factors - 1) The Predator as a character appeals very much to adolescent power fantasies. If he's killing something other than humans, it makes him more acceptable for parents to let those same 14-year-old boys read the comics. So really, a lot of the AVP comics (Xenogenesis and War especially come to mind) were just Predator comics with Aliens in them so that the protagonist wasn't butchering humans, and it was done simply from a business standpoint. 2) Aliens are
really hard to write. Even in
non-EU they haven't been done right most of the time, so when you get into hiring writers who may or may not even be all that familiar with the source material, even if they're phenomenal writers, they still will inevitably give us something not in keeping with the 'true' character of the alien.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 08, 2009, 06:24:40 PM
...but the EU has treated Aliens favorably.
'AvP: Duel'
'AvP: Annual'
AvP PC games
I haven't been able to get my hands on Duel or Annual, but the multiplayer balance of the PC games certainly didn't favour the Aliens.
Even if the AvP1 Alien you play as in single-player was a meatgrinder, unstoppable by the hand of man or Predator.
The balance (in the first one at least) was fine to me. I primaried Alien in Gold back when I played.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 08, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
Well, and frankly, even in Prey, every single Predator was taken out except Da'chande by about 2/3 through the story, and at that point, there were still aliens abounding.
yes, but even a trainee predator was able to take out a half dozen aliens or so before being dog piled, that's probably what the alien fans are moaning about
they want a comic with 1 alien vs. 1 or more predators, think the movie Alien with a predator crew
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 08, 2009, 07:35:15 PM
I haven't been able to get my hands on Duel or Annual, but the multiplayer balance of the PC games certainly didn't favour the Aliens.
Even if the AvP1 Alien you play as in single-player was a meatgrinder, unstoppable by the hand of man or Predator.
Those two statements are contradictory. ??? You just said it didn't favor the Aliens, but in the Alien campaigns you murder enemies by the dozen.
And just look at the plots in both AvP games; in all 3 campaigns in both games, when there are Aliens around they've totally overrun the place, killed everyone, and destroyed everything in their path.
Sure the Aliens might not put up as much of a fight against the player, but there's 2 reasons for that:
1. the game needs to be playable
2. AI limitations, as I mentioned earlier.
You might be interested in the Alien Resurrection game on Playstation; the Alien AI was pretty decent and they were bright enough to flank you, use the walls to come at you from unexpected angles, and work together when there was more than one Alien.
Quote from: happypred on Oct 08, 2009, 09:17:18 PM
yes, but even a trainee predator was able to take out a half dozen aliens or so before being dog piled, that's probably what the alien fans are moaning about
they want a comic with 1 alien vs. 1 or more predators, think the movie Alien with a predator crew
Well, but even speaking as an alien fan, there's a very important distinction you have to make here:
None of the humans in any of the alien movies knew what they were getting into, or how to prepare for it. The predators, as well as some of the humans from the comic books,
were prepared. Knowledge is the greatest weapon against an enemy that relies primarily on instinct. So if a Predator had trained his entire life (however long that may have been - we don't know their lifespan) to hunt xenos, then unless he gets caught unawares (a la celtic) he probably would have been able to take out several aliens before going down. In the specific case you're talking about, I've always interpreted it as the queen just enough aliens that she thought would be able to take out a hunter (how she would know this is up to debate), and commanded them to take him down no matter what. Against the Predators, aliens would obviously use stealth tactics when they can, but in some cases, I think they would fall back to what I think of as 'surgical swarm tactics'.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 08, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
You might be interested in the Alien Resurrection game on Playstation; the Alien AI was pretty decent and they were bright enough to flank you, use the walls to come at you from unexpected angles, and work together when there was more than one Alien.
Alien Resurrection for PS1 is phenomenal. The controls are terrible, but its still a great game.
Yeah, the controls were shit, but I had a blast with it once I got used to them. It had a lot of classy scripted moments and otherwise creepy stuff that made it genuinely scary. For example,
Spoiler
you spend the whole first level getting stalked by Aliens, but you only catch glimpses of them. Only later on do you even get the opportunity to fight one
. It was really well done.
One of my favorite moments -
Spoiler
I'm pretty sure it was the first level where you play as Call. Three aliens start pounding on a door as you approach it. You steel yourself for an ass-kicking, because there's nowhere around to hide or anything, and just as they're about to breach the door, they stop. Eventually, you go about finding some other way around, since that door's pretty much trashed, and as you go to leave the room, the aliens come crawling out of an air vent in the ceiling and drop right on top of you. Genius.
Anyways, back on topic now...
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 08, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
Frankly, there were more protagonists left alive at the end of Aliens then there were at the end of Prey
Really? In the comic most of the colonists haul ass and get free.
Quote2) Aliens are really hard to write.
How? They only have one motivation.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 08, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
Those two statements are contradictory. ??? You just said it didn't favor the Aliens, but in the Alien campaigns you murder enemies by the dozen.
In the single-player campaign - and to be fair, in the single-player campaign Aliens are destroyed by the dozen as well.
What I meant was the multiplayer balance was favoured towards the Predators. Arguably, the Marines also got the short end of the stick, I suppose.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 08, 2009, 09:30:57 PMSure the Aliens might not put up as much of a fight against the player, but there's 2 reasons for that:
1. the game needs to be playable
2. AI limitations, as I mentioned earlier.
You might be interested in the Alien Resurrection game on Playstation; the Alien AI was pretty decent and they were bright enough to flank you, use the walls to come at you from unexpected angles, and work together when there was more than one Alien.
I might look into that if I can find an emulator and ROM.
Although my qualm is less about them interacting with the player, where silliness is acceptable due to AI limitations, but how the developers seem to use them as throwaway fodder like comic authors do, in between the pivotal moments.
Although, forgetting multiplayer, I do see your point about the AvP games. In comparison to other sources, the Xenomorphs are quite potent foes.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 09, 2009, 12:21:41 AM
What I meant was the multiplayer balance was favoured towards the Predators. Arguably, the Marines also got the short end of the stick, I suppose.
I can't comment on that too much because I didn't play multiplayer for too long, but isn't that sort of dependent on the skill of the player? I mean, in the brief time I played AvP2 multi, I played pretty exclusively as the Alien and I was able to pick Predators off a lot of the time. When I tried other species, Alien players tended to kill me. I think the Alien was just my best species to play, I dunno.
In both games, especially the second, Predators had a lot of spammable gear, not to mention their capacity to enter melee often negated Alien players' only method of dealing damage.
Preds were only a pain with tracking weapons. Melee plus speargun made the Predator player rely much more on skill.
They put up a plot synopsis.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-112/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-Raymond-Swanland-cover
Posted it today
Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2009, 08:54:26 AM
Preds were only a pain with tracking weapons. Melee plus speargun made the Predator player rely much more on skill.
Also, the pistol. Goddamn.
But, indeed. It was always a pleasure to get taken down with the wristblades. Your death was hard-earned.
Quote from: dragonthingy on Oct 11, 2009, 05:50:43 AM
They put up a plot synopsis.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-112/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-Raymond-Swanland-cover
Posted it today
Yeah. Aliens have been weaponised. If they don't take heavy advantage of Predator arrogance I am going to burst a blood vessel.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 11, 2009, 07:41:51 AM
Also, the pistol. Goddamn.
Oh God, I'd forgot about that one.
Quote from: dragonthingy on Oct 11, 2009, 05:50:43 AM
They put up a plot synopsis.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-112/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-Raymond-Swanland-cover
Posted it today
They better come up with a mindblowingly good reason those Aliens don't simply turn around and kill their handlers...
Well, the Dark Horse EU has pretty consistently stayed with the theory that the queen controls her hive telepathically, so theoretically, the Preds could devise some way to simulate the brain waves of the queen, and manipulate them in some fashion.
Just when you thought the EU couldn't get any lamer...
I thought you would all start complaining about Machiko. Hell, they didn't even spell her surname right.
Don't know anything about her involvment in detail as yet.
When we do - there'll no doubt be complaining.
machiko is back...ugh
I guess this is Hish vs. Yautja
now I'm guessing the mysterious crystal structures were built by the long-lost predator clan
I don't really see why people would complain about Machiko coming back, really. She's arguably the most popular character from any of the comics, she's being written by her creator, and her arc was left unfinished at the resolution of War.
Hardly "unfinished". She joined up with the Predators, was an outsider no matter what she did, betrayed them and rejoined the human race.
The end of War showed that her continuing story could go in any number of different directions, but that particular part of her story was resolved.
I'm still reserving judgment until we actually see how the series plays out. My only request is that it moves at a faster pace than the current Aliens/Predator comics, because holy shit are those slow.
For a 6-issue series, I hope it turns out to be a monthly series instead of bi-monthly like the others have been. :-\
Heck, make it bi-weekly instead. ;D
The website just added a page for a variant cover too:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-943/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-Variant-cover
::)
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2009, 03:50:19 AM
Hardly "unfinished". She joined up with the Predators, was an outsider no matter what she did, betrayed them and rejoined the human race.
The end of War showed that her continuing story could go in any number of different directions, but that particular part of her story was resolved.
Yes, but while she has 'rejoined' the human race, she hadn't yet reintegrated, a la what she tried in Hunter's Planet. Her struggle to belong was central to her character all along, so until she achieves that goal, I don't really see her story as finished. She needs either some good closure, or else a really wonderful death scene. One or the other, and I'd prefer the former.
I just had another thought to frighten people: Dark Horse is dusting off Machiko. How long will it be before they bring back Herk Mondo? :o :o
I hope it happens tomorrow. Herk Mondo owns.
God I hate AvP... actually hate the comics/novels more than the movies... Ok, the games are ok, just for sheer entertainment, but the comics are painful. Just the cover of the first issue of this one makes my skin crawl out of fear and loathing - Aliens in leashes! WTF!? What's next, dominatrix Preds and Xeno gimps? ...why not? The Aliens have been butt mangled by Dark Horse and FOX for ages now, so I guess they've resumed to "prison bitch" status by now. How the holy heck did we get here? Oh the tragedy, the travesty...
THE HUMANITY!!!
QuoteYes, but while she has 'rejoined' the human race, she hadn't yet reintegrated, a la what she tried in Hunter's Planet.
Dunno about Hunter's Planet, but she was never really 'integrated' to begin with even before she joined the Predators. At the end of War she seemed fairly at peace with herself. Machiko shouldn't strive to 'belong' - she should be happy with not belonging.
I liked AvP Prey despite the Machiko character, not because of her
I found the idea that a slightly built human female could run with a "pack" of predators to be idiotic, and I think she performs judo on the predators (that's like a small woman performing judo on a gorilla, hell predators are probably stronger than gorillas)
I was waiting for one of the predators to rip her head off . . . but that's just me, I'm a predboy
I think one of the ideas of Judo is using your opponents weight against them.
Yeah, the entire principle behind Judo is using your opponent's weight and momentum against them. Judo is pretty much the only way Machiko could conceivably take on a Predator in unarmed combat.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 13, 2009, 09:01:22 AM
the entire principle behind Judo is using your opponent's weight and momentum against them
wow really? I didn't know that ::)
judo is only effective to a certain point
a fifth grader trained in judo won't be able to throw brock lesnar around
try doing judo on a charging silverback gorilla
if you ignore extreme disparities in size and strength, machiko should be able to perform judo on a pouncing alien too, I mean it's humanoid right?
If the alien was being really stupid and throwing its weight at her in a blind charge like the Predator was, then yes, but an Alien would never do that.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 13, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
If the alien was being really stupid and throwing its weight at her in a blind charge like the Predator was, then yes, but an Alien would never do that.
so a fifth grader trained in judo would be able to throw an enraged brock lesnar around
and a judoku would be able to throw a "blindly" charging silverback gorilla...
oh, and I'm pretty sure an alien has charged "blindly" before in the comics and novels (where the bug portrayal originated), and it seems all the more likely if its intended victim appears relatively defenseless
HURR, MACHIKO CANT BEATS THE PREDADUR CUZ SHES TINY!!!!!!! AND ALIENZ IZ DUMB LOL!!!!!
Ok, since you seem to not really have any idea how Judo works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu_oLMJarWY
And as far as Aliens charging 'blindly', if they can see that their foe is relatively defenseless, then they aren't exactly charging blindly, are they?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 13, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
HURR, MACHIKO CANT BEATS THE PREDADUR CUZ SHES TINY!!!!!!! AND ALIENZ IZ DUMB LOL!!!!!
JUDO IS 1337, DONT MATTUH HOW BIIG STRONG OPPONENT IZ, JUDO C0NQERZ ALL .. EVEN GORILLAZ!!!11
pls, you've dodged both my questions
so i'll ask you for the third time: would a fifth grader trained in judo be able to throw an enraged brock lesnar?
would a judoku be able to throw a charging gorilla?
QuoteOk, since you seem to not really have any idea how Judo works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu_oLMJarWY
i know how it works, MISS THE POINT MORE PLS
you can't wrap your mind around the concept that if the size and strength disparity reaches an
extreme level, the principles behind judo lose effectiveness
QuoteAnd as far as Aliens charging 'blindly', if they can see that their foe is relatively defenseless, then they aren't exactly charging blindly, are they?
well, then the predator wasn't blindly charging either since he was charging a small, unarmed woman...
but the alien wouldn't know about machiko's super 1337 judo skillz, so in a sense it would be blindly charging her
way to dig a hole for urself genius
The problem with your analogy is that it's not the same as a five year old trying to throw Lesnar. At all. She's a grown woman who's been working out while being with the Predators.
Given the right circumstances, a normal-sized person could throw a charging gorilla. They'd have a hard time of it, but a judo master would at least have a chance of pulling it off.
The Predator Machiko threw was called Shorty, anyway. He was a runt. There was less of a size and weight disparity - Still one, but not something someone with a working practical understanding of Judo couldn't account for.
That'll learn you to bring up Judo in the first place and then spend the next bunch of posts backpedalling...
Happypred:
We're arguing about fictional monsters here. There's no reason to get upset or heated to such a degree. Everyone else has refrained from using your (ineffective) argumentative techniques out of respect for one-another and I'd ask you to do the same.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 13, 2009, 10:35:37 PM
We're arguing about fictional monsters here. There's no reason to get upset or heated to such a degree. Everyone else has refrained from using your (ineffective) argumentative techniques out of respect for one-another and I'd ask you to do the same.
uh...see below
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 13, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
HURR, MACHIKO CANT BEATS THE PREDADUR CUZ SHES TINY!!!!!!! AND ALIENZ IZ DUMB LOL!!!!!
Quote from: SiL on Oct 13, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
The problem with your analogy is that it's not the same as a five year old trying to throw Lesnar. At all. She's a grown woman who's been working out while being with the Predators.
ok...
except predator strength is far beyond even the very top of human level, in the AvP comics/novels they're arguably as strong as the aliens if not stronger, and almost as fast if not just as fast (the bulk of AvP media is where they got "overpowered")
the predators in Prey are 2.50m tall or 8'2
the disparity between a physically fit 5'3 machiko and, say, a 7'0 shorty would still be huge, comparable to the difference between a fifth grader who trains in judo and a roided up Lesnar
Anytime toyed with Arnold more casually than I could toy with my 10 year old kid bro, predator (and alien) strength makes Lesnar's strength look pathetic
in short I think you're underestimating the difference
QuoteGiven the right circumstances, a normal-sized person could throw a charging gorilla. They'd have a hard time of it, but a judo master would at least have a chance of pulling it off.
I know it's not absolutely impossible, but it certainly stretches the imagination and makes you go "oh please" doesn't it?
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 10:40:03 PM
except predator strength is far beyond even the very top of human level,
That's nice.
But you said you understood the mechanics of judo - Why do you keep bothering to mention
strength?
Quotecomparable to the difference between a fifth grader who trains in judo and a roided up Lesnar
Only in height, maybe. Machiko's muscles would be much better developed, allowing her to shift more weight more effectively. A child's muscles aren't fully developed yet.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 13, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
But you said you understood the mechanics of judo - Why do you keep bothering to mention strength?
maybe the same reason you're talking about muscle development?
QuoteMachiko's muscles would be much better developed, allowing her to shift more weight more effectively. A child's muscles aren't fully developed yet.
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 10:47:39 PM
maybe the same reason you're talking about muscle development?
It's actually relevant to the person doing the throwing. Machiko
could throw Lesnar. A
five-year old doesn't have the body mechanics for it.
To break it down:
Judo depends on a combination of the strength of the person studying the discipline and the weight of their foe. The Predator's own strength has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 13, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
Judo depends on a combination of the strength of the person studying the discipline and the weight of their foe. The Predator's own strength has nothing to do with it.
many programs that teach judo for self-defense emphasize training with full power and speed against fully-resisting opponents to build the trainee's speed, stamina, strength, and tenacity.how strong your opponent is, which factors into how much resistance he'd be able to offer,
does matter, so using judo on a weak opponent would not be the same as using judo on a freakishly strong opponent
judo was designed for a person to use on another person, so generally a human opponent isn't going to be freakishly large and strong
when you're grabbing your opponent's limb (predators generally don't wear judogis), he can offer resistance with that limb, he can also grab on to you, this resistance is not
too much of an obstacle
if your opponent is just another personbut a predator that's strong enough to pick you up easily with one arm, break your bones with one hand is going to present a major problem
Quote from: SiL on Oct 13, 2009, 10:51:54 PM
A five-year old doesn't have the body mechanics for it.
that's nice but I said a fifth grader ;)
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 04:35:09 AM
how strong your opponent is, which factors into how much resistance he'd be able to offer, does matter, so using judo on a weak opponent would not be the same as using judo on a freakishly strong opponent
It is if they're both charging at you.
The scene in the comic had the Predator lunging at Machiko, so he's lost most of his center of balance. He has no solid footing, and that's where judo comes in.
Trying to throw a Predator in a braced stance would, sure, be pretty much impossible for most people, if not everyone. But that wasn't the scenario presented.
Quotethat's nice but I said a fifth grader ;)
Ten year old isn't going to have fully developed muscles either, point stands :)
Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2009, 04:43:33 AM
The scene in the comic had the Predator lunging at Machiko, so he's lost most of his center of balance. He has no solid footing, and that's where judo comes in.
Trying to throw a Predator in a braced stance would, sure, be pretty much impossible for most people, if not everyone. But that wasn't the scenario presented.
aww SiL, come on, just say it with me
"the opponent's strength does matter in judo because the amount of resistance he's able to put up actually makes a difference" so much for the opponent's strength being a zero factor eh ;)
I'll dispute the details of the fight when I have the time, which won't be too long
QuoteTen year old isn't going to have fully developed muscles either, point stands :)
you don't need fully developed muscles to practice judo, 11 year olds can compete in judo tournaments
to a predator a human's muscles are probably grossly underdeveloped
your point with the
five year old stands because a five year old is still a toddler and is unlikely to have even the coordination to execute a judo throw
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
you don't need fully developed muscles to practice judo, 11 year olds can compete in judo tournaments
With other kids.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 14, 2009, 05:41:30 AM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
you don't need fully developed muscles to practice judo, 11 year olds can compete in judo tournaments
With other kids.
thanks for supporting my point, since I'm arguing an 11 year old would be able to throw another kid but not Lesnar
Quoteyour point with the five year old stands because a five year old is still a toddler
No it isn't.
Since we're getting so picky and all...
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
aww SiL, come on, just say it with me "the opponent's strength does matter in judo because the amount of resistance he's able to put up actually makes a difference"
Yes, I've said this.
Quoteso much for the opponent's strength being a zero factor eh ;)
Except judo is used when the opponent
isn't putting up a resistance.
You don't typically use a judo throw on someone who's in a braced posture. You use it against someone who is coming at you, who's moving. In that situation, your opponent's sheer strength counts for nothing.
Quoteto a predator a human's muscles are probably grossly underdeveloped
People can lift cars.
Normal people can lift cars, if they're in a life-threatening situation.
Quotesince I'm arguing an 11 year old would be able to throw another kid but not Lesnar
No-one's saying a child could throw Lesnar. And the situation isn't in the least bit analogous to a child throwing Lesnar.
What's all this fascination with Lesnar anyways? Kinda creepy IMO...
It's a Predator fan thing. They like "movies about gladiators"...
;D
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 14, 2009, 12:04:24 PM
What's all this fascination with Lesnar anyways? Kinda creepy IMO...
^ ^
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I'm not the guy who writes things like "LOL" and "ROFLMAO"... but ^that^ really made me ROFLMAO!!111!!1! Thank you Mr. Domino! :D
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Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2009, 06:06:12 AM
You don't typically use a judo throw on someone who's in a braced posture. You use it against someone who is coming at you, who's moving. In that situation, your opponent's sheer strength counts for nothing.
SiL, I'd have to disagree with you there
again, many courses that teach judo for self-defense emphasize the importance of training against a
fully resisting opponent...if you're only supposed to use judo in situations where your opponent's strength "counts for nothing", i.e. situations where he's incapable of resisting, this high degree of emphasis would not be necessary
QuoteNo-one's saying a child could throw Lesnar. And the situation isn't in the least bit analogous to a child throwing Lesnar.
well, I was responding to this guy's comment:
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 14, 2009, 05:41:30 AM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
you don't need fully developed muscles to practice judo, 11 year olds can compete in judo tournaments
With other kids.
but again I disagree, with training from a very early age an 11 year old is capable of being competent in judo
a 11 year old judoka throwing Lesnar is not inherently different from machiko throwing a predator
both have the "body mechanics" to practice judo . . . both are much weaker, smaller, and lighter than their opponents
Quote from: happypred on Oct 15, 2009, 12:09:13 AM
again, many courses that teach judo for self-defense emphasize the importance of training against a fully resisting opponent...
And if you want to strengthen your fists, you punch brick walls, break the bones, and let them reset, as they reset stronger than before.
When you actually fight someone, you don't break off to punch a wall. You punch their face, with your newly strong fists.
Practicing against a fully restraining opponent allows you to better develop the moves, as you condition your body to account for maximum resistance. But in practical application, yes, judo is most effective against an opponent who isn't in a position to fully resist - One that's lunging at you.
Besides which, just because they teach you to practice against a resisting opponent ... doesn't mean that the technique is somehow useless against an attacking one.
Quoteboth have the "body mechanics" to practice judo . . .
One's fully developed. The other isn't.
Let's just get this clear:
This whole thing started when someone complained that a judo throw was used against a Predator in a comic.
Contextually,
this is totally fine for anyone but the most pig-headed of Predator fan. It was an unskilled runt Predator that was lunging at a person who happened to know Judo - the
exact kind of situation judo is designed for, using the opponent's weight and momentum
against them.
You can bitch and moan and go on and f**king on about eleven year olds and f**kin' Lesnar all you want, at the end of the day what was shown wasn't the great insult it was made out to be. It makes sense, it could happen, the only people who'd say it couldn't are Predator fans with their heads so far up the Pred's ass they get mistaken for tape worms.
And yes, a person could judo the f**k out of an Alien.
As long as they run really, really fast immediately after.
REEALLY fast. No, faster than that. Keep going. Keep on. Look, we're not talking 'Driving Miss Daisy here, we're talking Fast and the f***ing Furious!!!
One-hundred jiggawatts, Marty - we're going back to the f**king future.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 15, 2009, 12:26:12 AM
bla bla bla . . . the most pig-headed of Predator fan . . . bla bla bla . . . You can bitch and moan and go on and f**king on about eleven year olds and f**kin' Lesnar all you want . . . bla bla bla
SiL, my point was pretty simple
yes, a goal of judo is to
minimize a bigger, stronger opponent's size and strength advantage
what I was trying to get across is that it won't
eliminate that advantage entirely
consequently, if your opponent's size and strength advantage is absolutely massive, even judo techniques lose much of their effectiveness
to think otherwise is just being rather naive about the subject, but then again you've seriously tried to advance your point by saying stuff like
Quote from: SiL on Oct 13, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
Given the right circumstances, a normal-sized person could throw a charging gorilla.
at the beginning of the fight, the predator was in a crouched stance right in front machiko, he threw a hard right which machiko caught, machiko then wrenches his entire body to the side and flipped him through the air onto his butt, this struck me as a tad bit exaggerated, even taking into account that "she was using judo"
later on the predator actually launches himself through the air, machiko rolls onto her back and kicks him over her body, this is perhaps the least improbable part of the fight
even though this move is usually performed not on a pouncing person but on a person pushing his body against yours and not just with your legs but also with your hands holding on to the person's judogi , but whatever . . .
later she gets clobbered on the back of the head and kicked in the stomach (the predator has claws on his foot) and she's neither eviscerated nor even really hurt, no scratches on her, in fact she's thinking to herself "I have to make this look convincing" ::)
Ok, so you seem to have conceded every point but one: that Machiko is anything but an average trained fighter. Think about this for a second: The girl's been hunting aliens for a few years now. aliens. The most improbable part of that whole scene is that she isn't covered head to toe in scars, but what does the fact that she isn't tell you? If she can go one-on-one with a queen (however temporarily in War # 0) then I think she can probably take a kick from Shorty. Yes, he has 'claws' on his feet (read: sharp toenails) but frankly, if Machiko hasn't learned by this point how to avoid claws in close combat, then she is one dead asian.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 16, 2009, 11:52:43 PM
Ok, so you seem to have conceded every point but one
this is brilliant, all I have to do to win an argument is say that the other person is losing!
let me be like you: "ok, so far you've conceded every point but one Domino!"
QuoteYes, he has 'claws' on his feet (read: sharp toenails) but frankly, if Machiko hasn't learned by this point how to avoid claws in close combat, then she is one dead asian.
except he was already kicking her in the stomach with his foot, with his claws . . . think before you type pls
Quote from: happypred on Oct 17, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
this is brilliant, all I have to do to win an argument is say that the other person is losing!
let me be like you: "ok, so far you've conceded every point but one Domino!"
Ok, so maybe read the post of yours that I was responding to and tell me that this
isn't the case? Or better yet explain to me how I conceded anything...
Quote from: happypred on Oct 17, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
except he was already kicking her in the stomach with his foot, with his claws . . .
Ok, I'll admit, here I should have been more clear in what I meant. What I meant was that if she hasn't learned by not how to shift herself to get out of reach of the claws. For instance, if an alien is going in for a swipe, she would most likely at this point know how to swing the endangered part of her body with little or no momentum just enough to escape the claws.
Quote from: happypred on Oct 17, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
think before you type pls
Ok, seriously? Enough with all the insults. You misinterpreted what I said. I've now explained. Now, granted, when I wrote that, I didn't have the comic in front of me (God forbid), and so didn't see exactly
how he kicked her.
But the manner in which he kicked brings up a whole other argument. For starters, at the angle he kicked her, unless his toes were flared (HUGE no-no in unarmed combat), his 'claws' wouldn't have damaged her except superficially, as they're angled down. Secondly, he wouldn't logically have been kicking her straight on anyways, because one of the first rules in any kind of martial art is if you're going to kick someone, bring your toes in
or you will break them. Even against a smaller opponent.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
Ok, so maybe read the post of yours that I was responding to and tell me that this isn't the case? Or better yet explain to me how I conceded anything...
you know, since you're the one who claimed that I conceded every point but one, you're the one who should specify which points I've conceded . . .
but here, look at this:
my main point back then . . . Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 06:01:51 PM
if you ignore extreme disparities in size and strength
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
you can't wrap your mind around the concept that if the size and strength disparity reaches an extreme level, the principles behind judo lose effectiveness
my main point now . . . Quote from: happypred on Oct 16, 2009, 11:47:36 PM
if your opponent's size and strength advantage is absolutely massive, even judo techniques lose much of their effectiveness
Quote
Quote from: SiL on Oct 13, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 10:40:03 PM
except predator strength is far beyond even the very top of human level
But you said you understood the mechanics of judo - Why do you keep bothering to mention strength?
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 04:35:09 AM
many programs that teach judo for self-defense emphasize training with full power and speed against fully-resisting opponents to build the trainee's speed, stamina, strength, and tenacity
how strong your opponent is, which factors into how much resistance he's able to offer, does matter, so using judo on a weak opponent would not be the same as using judo on a freakishly strong opponent
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
aww SiL, come on, just say it with me "the opponent's strength does matter in judo because the amount of resistance he's able to put up actually makes a difference"
so much for the opponent's strength being a zero factor eh ;)
Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2009, 06:06:12 AM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 05:22:32 AM
aww SiL, come on, just say it with me "the opponent's strength does matter in judo because the amount of resistance he's able to put up actually makes a difference"
Yes, I've said this.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AMNow, granted, when I wrote that, I didn't have the comic in front of me (God forbid), and so didn't see exactly how he kicked her. But the manner in which he kicked brings up a whole other argument.
it really doesn't . . .
the kick connected with the toes, the claws are on the toes, the claws don't have to be perfectly angled to inflict damage, flesh is pliant, when those claws get pressed into soft flesh, there will be angles for it to inflict damage, they should at the very least draw blood
the slight downward curve of the claws wouldn't be enough to render them harmless in an upward kick, especially since toes usually point upward during an upward kick
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not even a scratch . . .
are you seriously going to sit there and argue that those claws would be harmless in a kick like that?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AMbring your toes in or you will break them. Even against a smaller opponent.
sigh, but we're not talking about human martial artists, we're talking about predators
with large claws on their toes, capable of puncturing flesh . . . and he's kicking below machiko's chest
where it's relatively softare you going to argue that a predator shouldn't punch a human in the forehead because he might break his fingers or wrist?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AMOk, seriously? Enough with all the insults.
I can't take you seriously because look at what you like to type ;)
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 13, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
HURR, MACHIKO CANT BEATS THE PREDADUR CUZ SHES TINY!!!!!!! AND ALIENZ IZ DUMB LOL!!!!!
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 14, 2009, 12:04:24 PM
What's all this fascination with Lesnar anyways? Kinda creepy IMO...
Ok, I'm only going to address a few of your points here, because frankly, I'm tired of this. All of your arguments stem from this:
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 10:40:03 PM
except predator strength is far beyond even the very top of human level
You're completely deifying the Predators, at the very least in terms of relative strength. How in God's name do you
know that Predator strength is far beyond even the
very top of human level? We've only seen one Predator go toe-to-toe with a human in unarmed melee. Who's to say that particular Predator's strength is even comparable to
any other member of his race, and who's to say that Dutch was anywhere close to the 'very top of human level'? Frankly, I highly doubt Dutch could have come anywhere close to the level of conditioning you'd have fighting aliens for years, but that's speculation, and therefore mostly irrelevant.
Quote from: happypred
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AMNow, granted, when I wrote that, I didn't have the comic in front of me (God forbid), and so didn't see exactly how he kicked her. But the manner in which he kicked brings up a whole other argument.
it really doesn't . . .
the kick connected with the toes, the claws are on the toes, the claws don't have to be perfectly angled to inflict damage, flesh is pliant, when those claws get pressed into soft flesh, there will be angles for it to inflict damage, they should at the very least draw blood
the slight downward curve of the claws wouldn't be enough to render them harmless in an upward kick, especially since toes usually point upward during an upward kick
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not even a scratch . . .
are you seriously going to sit there and argue that those claws would be harmless in a kick like that?
Umm...yeah. I am. Do those 'claws' seriously look sharp on the top to you? If I were to rake the top of a bear claw (something we actually
know is used for defense and for slashing/tearing) against your chest, do you really think it would cut you? There's a reason its called the
dull edge.
In addendum (although this is unnecessary), many animals in nature have claws that, while impressive in appearance, are fairly dull. Wolves almost never use their claws to attack, and while they can draw blood with them, they'll never do anything like what you might see in the movies. There's nothing anywhere in the movies or elsewhere (unless perhaps you can show me something I haven't seen) that says the Predator 'foot claws' are all that sharp.
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are you going to argue that a predator shouldn't punch a human in the forehead because he might break his fingers or wrist?
Again, yes, I am. Human bone is very, very tough stuff, and I have seen nothing to indicate to me that a Predator wouldn't break his fingers/wrist in that situation. He
might do more damage than a comparable human, but I've seen nothing saying the end result would be any different.
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Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AMOk, seriously? Enough with all the insults.
I can't take you seriously because look at what you like to type ;)
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 13, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
HURR, MACHIKO CANT BEATS THE PREDADUR CUZ SHES TINY!!!!!!! AND ALIENZ IZ DUMB LOL!!!!!
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 14, 2009, 12:04:24 PM
What's all this fascination with Lesnar anyways? Kinda creepy IMO...
I think your problem is you're taking this whole thing way
too seriously. Both of the quoted comments were made trying to defuse what has quickly become a thoroughly ridiculous argument about a few pages from a 10-year-old comic book.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 17, 2009, 03:39:04 AM
Ok, I'm only going to address a few of your points here, because frankly, I'm tired of this. All of your arguments stem from this:
Quote from: happypred on Oct 13, 2009, 10:40:03 PM
except predator strength is far beyond even the very top of human level
nope, you either still don't get it or you're oversimplifying
my position is
Quote from: happypred on Oct 16, 2009, 11:47:36 PMyes, a goal of judo is to minimize a bigger, stronger opponent's size and strength advantage, but it won't eliminate that advantage entirely
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 04:35:09 AM
how strong your opponent is, which factors into how much resistance he would be able to offer, does matter
Quote from: happypred on Oct 16, 2009, 11:47:36 PM
if your opponent's size and strength advantage is absolutely massive, even judo techniques lose much of their effectiveness
Quote from: happypred on Oct 14, 2009, 04:35:09 AMso attempting judo techniques on a "normal" opponent would not be the same as attempting judo techniques on a freakishly strong opponent
frankly, I don't think I "deify" predators any more than a lot of alien fans "deify" aliens
but since we're both tired of this, I'll agree to disagree
I agree with Happypred on this though, there is little to no way shes gonna toss him around like that. And on the topic of Predators punching people in the face and breaking their fingers, remember Dutch? Predator whacked him and he didn't break his fingers.
This thread got really retarded when it went totally off-topic. :(
It's to be expected when Predboys takes comments about Predator strength as a personal affront to their very being.
In an effort to get this thread back on topic, is anyone looking forward to this? I'm not keen on them reusing the whole "Aliens as weapons to fight in wars" theme, but I'm kinda looking forward to this.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Oct 20, 2009, 03:06:03 AM
In an effort to get this thread back on topic, is anyone looking forward to this? I'm not keen on them reusing the whole "Aliens as weapons to fight in wars" theme, but I'm kinda looking forward to this.
Been awhile since I actually wanted a comic series. This has promise.
Yes, I am very much looking forward to this series.
If nothing else, it'll be worth it simply for the covers.
When is the series coming out? Are the predator and aliens comics any good? they seem like it ,never had one though.
13th of January is when issue 1 is out. Predator is so-so but I'm quite enjoying Aliens.
After seeing the page of interior pencils from this months previews, I'm considerably more on the fence. I do not like what I have seen.
Could you scan it up?
I don't have a scanner available, but I took a couple of pictures that I'll upload once I get home.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 01, 2009, 10:24:11 PM
I don't have a scanner available, but I took a couple of pictures that I'll upload once I get home.
Where are u at now?
Well now I'm at home. I was at work.
Anywho, here's the picies:
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Shredator!!
I see what you mean. :-\ Well...I hope it comes across better when coloured. That's been one of the high-lights for me regarding the new series' - updated styles.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 04:09:13 AM
Shredator!!
This is both hilarious, and depressingly true.
ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #2
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Written by Randy Stradley, penciled by Rick Leonardi, inked by Mark Pennington, colored by Wes Dzioba, cover by Raymond Swanland.
Machiko Naguchi is the only human known to have lived among the extraterrestrial hunters known as Predators"¹and she's had plenty of up-close-and-personal experience with another deadly, otherworldly life form, the xenomorph Aliens, hunting the beasts alongside her Predator hosts. Machiko thought those days were long past, but now a long-lost rival clan of warlike Predators has emerged, using specially bred Aliens as weapons, and both Predators and humans are threatened. Now, Machiko must again don her Predator armor and negotiate a possible alliance with the very same race that made trophies of humans for centuries. And when you ³negotiate² with Predators, there will be blood!
Featuring the creative dream team of original AvP writer Randy Stradley, superstar penciller Rick Leonardi, inker Mark Pennington, colorist Wes Dzioba, and stunning cover art
from Raymond Swanland, Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War ties together story threads introduced in the 1989 AvP series and new Aliens and Predator storylines, setting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined.
40 pages, $3.50, in stores on Feb. 24.
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Good to see this will be a regular monthly run!
;D
Weaponised Aliens.
:'(
Check out me dreads, babylon!
Ahem - as I've said I'll give them a chance to come up with a really good idea for the Aliens to be under control. Based on previous outings though, I expect to be disappointed.
Yeah, I don't have high hopes. Oh well. At least the covers will be pretty.
Yeah, im expecting aliens to be shafted 2nd string cannon fodder from what I'm seeing here.
What's up with kerrigan fighting a predator there?
I don't think predators are going to be any better off
"when the Noguchi woman is unleashed, it's the aliens and predators that'll have to watch out!"
I'm really looking forward to this, but think it was a bad idea to bring Machiko in again. Its sort of becoming repepative, and lacks originality. I none the less am going to buy these and will likely enjoy them, but doubt it will be stellar.
The last time I remember Machiko showing up in a story was back in the mini series AVP:WAR and the novel, AVP:HUNTER'S PLANET. That was back in 1995, fourteen years ago. So I don't think she's being the least bit overused.
Quote from: The One and Only on Nov 12, 2009, 05:26:02 AM
The last time I remember Machiko showing up in a story was back in the mini series AVP:WAR and the novel, AVP:HUNTER'S PLANET. That was back in 1995, fourteen years ago. So I don't think she's being the least bit overused.
I agree 100%. A good, recurring character is just what the Aliens/Predator comic franchise needs. A regular character could help boost sales, prompting Dark Horse to put a little more time and effort into crafting good stories for the franchise. Case in point: the new Aliens series is Awesome, while the new predator series is just kinda "ho hum"...both by the same writer. A strong, likable character that can be used across the franchise could be the kick in the ass these comic franchises need.
Wait, apparently these Conquerer Predators are the same ones in the new Predator comic-- so why are they drawn differently with various armor styles when they should be drawn with the uniformed armor?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
Wait, apparently these Conquerer Predators are the same ones in the new Predator comic-- so why are they drawn differently with various armor styles when they should be drawn with the uniformed armor?
-Rakai'Thwei
My guess would be..since the Predators in the current series aren't using the Aliens as weapons, they don't need the same armor we are seeing in the advance artwork from AVP: Three World War. Perhaps that armor provides extra protection in case one of the dogs (Aliens) goes rabid on his owner (Predator).
whatevers coming our way, its big.
Quote from: Rebel-Blood on Nov 14, 2009, 03:34:56 AM
whatevers coming our way, its big.
:o Oh, now that is just SO wrong.
I'm not sure if I'm happy that Machiko Naguchi is returning or not. On the plus side, its an awesome way of connecting this new series with the old, but I kinda wish they would create a brand new character.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
I'm not sure if I'm happy that Machiko Naguchi is returning or not. On the plus side, its an awesome way of connecting this new series with the old, but I kinda wish they would create a brand new character.
I'd still like to see Sereda make it out of the current series and become a recurring character in future stories. I think his character has the potential for a long life in the Aliens comic universe.
The return of Machiko doesn't bother me in the least as it's been a LONG time since we've seen her. I have high hopes for the new AVP series. I know some don't due to the treatment it appears the Aliens are again getting, but I'm gonna reserve judgment until at least the first two issues are out. Could be a great series!
I feel like it absolutely will be a great sci-fi action/adventure series.
However, I feel it will be an absolutely terribly Alien vs. Predator series. You want to introduce a 'long lost' predator clan that does things differently from the 'big game hunters' we know and love? Fine. I've been advocating different kinds of predators from the get-go, them being an entire race and all. You wanna bring back my favorite character from the old stories? Awesome, sign me up.
Wait a second...so Machiko, who, last we saw, had just betrayed the Predators and blown up one of their ships, as well as killed a lot of her 'clanmates', is now going to be negotiating with those predators? And the 'new' Preddies have weaponized the Aliens?
Wonderful. So now its not 'Alien vs. Predator' its 'Humans and Predators vs. Aliens and Predators'.
The comics take the next "logical" step.
Cameron shows you have to fight tooth and nail to kill them in the theatrical version of Aliens. The comics run with that idea, but show humans killing them in spades. The company wanted to weaponise the aliens in the films, the comics show a superior alien race doing it instead.
Just because you can see the other side of the hill doesn't mean you should walk over it to get there. There was a reason some of those ideas were dropped or never occurred in the movies.
Of course, as a bushleague writer myself, I have a feeling the "weaponized" aliens won't be weaponized for long. Or it wouldn't be AvP. It would be PvP.
We know what happens when you stray away from AvP. You get DOTS. A universally panned alien vs predator comic.
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Quote from: cloverfan98 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
I'm not sure if I'm happy that Machiko Naguchi is returning or not. On the plus side, its an awesome way of connecting this new series with the old, but I kinda wish they would create a brand new character.
I'd still like to see Sereda make it out of the current series and become a recurring character in future stories. I think his character has the potential for a long life in the Aliens comic universe.
The return of Machiko doesn't bother me in the least as it's been a LONG time since we've seen her. I have high hopes for the new AVP series. I know some don't due to the treatment it appears the Aliens are again getting, but I'm gonna reserve judgment until at least the first two issues are out. Could be a great series!
I haven't reade the new series, so I can't comment on that yet, but although I'm not really digging the weaponized aliens at all, I am really hyped for this! Still my biggest complaints against most of the AVP things I've read (and I haven't read then all) is that the aliens have never felt important to the story at all. They could be replaced with any other kind of creature and it wouldn't matter. I guess the Predators are always the focus, because they are easier to relate to then the aliens but still I wanna see better a treatment of the aliens. Just my 2 cents.
Agreed. The only comic I really felt did this well was Duel, and that was a stupid PredAlien anyways.
I kinda liked the Predalien. But I really wanna see a AVP story done from the Aliens point of view. Even if its just a short story.
I didnt mind the original AvP. Nor Eternal.
The rest were more comic book than movie inspired imo.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Nov 21, 2009, 04:32:15 AM
[ Still my biggest complaints against most of the AVP things I've read (and I haven't read then all) is that the aliens have never felt important to the story at all. They could be replaced with any other kind of creature and it wouldn't matter. I guess the Predators are always the focus, because they are easier to relate to then the aliens but still I wanna see better a treatment of the aliens. Just my 2 cents.
Agree completely.
This is pretty much my biggest problem with AVP in general.
Have another plus one.
I'm writing an AvP fan script (just for fun - I don't have any illusions about sending it to Fox or anything) that feels entirely dissimilar to just about any AvP-related media I can think of, simply because it strives to establish the Alien creature the same way the ALIEN films do - as the dominant predatory life form, even above the Predators.
This just makes it a lot more interesting, simply because when an Alien or two show up, how they're dealt with isn't predictable. It's not just a matter of shooting them down or having anything we've really seen before in entirety - it's a matter of having every encounter with the Alien something memorable rather than just... being there.
The Alien needs to be a force to be battled and overcome - not a play thing that gets out of control, and needs to be put back in it's box.
Thats the bottle of worms Cameron dug up with his movie.
There are many people that actually prefer the "scourge," to the incomprehensible being in the original.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 24, 2009, 06:15:28 AM
Have another plus one.
I'm writing an AvP fan script (just for fun - I don't have any illusions about sending it to Fox or anything) that feels entirely dissimilar to just about any AvP-related media I can think of, simply because it strives to establish the Alien creature the same way the ALIEN films do - as the dominant predatory life form, even above the Predators.
You gonna put that up here when your done? I'd be interested in reading it.
I'll give it to anyone who's interested in reading it, sure.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 24, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
I'll give it to anyone who's interested in reading it, sure.
So do I am interested in reading it very much. :)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 24, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
I'll give it to anyone who's interested in reading it, sure.
PM me summa that when your finished.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 24, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
I'll give it to anyone who's interested in reading it, sure.
Send one my way puh-lease.
How many Aliens and how many Predators you got in this bad boy?
Three named Preds. One fodder Pred (I justify this through the scene being awesome). Any number of other Preds, because the plot justifies it.
A handful of Aliens. And by that I mean, this could get away with as few as one or as many as six or so (but by the time the Aliens are revealed in earnest, only the named Preds are relevant anymore).
I'm also writing one.
Not necessarily for shits and giggles, though. I'm a patient man.
Well, "shits 'n' giggles' in one way to say it.
It would make a half-decent machinima or SP AvP3 mod...
See that's the way to do it. MAKE it as a fanfilm - don't just write it. Sure there'll be no financial return and it will take a long time to realise, but at least you'll have something solid to show at the end of it.
Well, that's the long-term idea. Ideally, I'd need more people involved for various tasks if I did either of those things, though.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 25, 2009, 06:51:01 AM
Three named Preds. One fodder Pred (I justify this through the scene being awesome). Any number of other Preds, because the plot justifies it.
A handful of Aliens. And by that I mean, this could get away with as few as one or as many as six or so (but by the time the Aliens are revealed in earnest, only the named Preds are relevant anymore).
Never really been keen on the idea of more than one Predator in any Predator realted flick. Still, if yah send it my way I'll see how you handle it.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2009, 08:29:59 AM
I'm also writing one.
Not necessarily for shits and giggles, though. I'm a patient man.
Got a premise? Same goes for you Alex.
Through space exploration, the Weyland-Yutani corporation continues to find habitable planets for expansion. One planet, designated LV-1309, shows evidence of intelligent life-forms through the structures they've left behind. The Company assumes ownership of the planet and all its mysteries, it being derelict of this intelligent culture.
Not wanting word of this find to reach the ears of rivals, the Company forbids colonisation of the planet and instead creates facilities purely for research. When the previous owners return, there are disagreements. Enter the Space Marines.
Exit the Space Marines. Barring a scant few, the marines are killed, with the others escaping. The script itself opens with the last moments of the escape. Weyland-Yutani, realising that their secret might be compromised by survivors before the situation is in hand, diverts their flight course to Gateway Station, where the survivors are blackmailed into returning with a new squad at their back.
The Company's purpose is twofold - either the marines will recapture the facilities, or die in the attempt, erasing any outside knowledge of the planet. And so they return, only to find things in even worse shape than when they left.
I wonder what has happened to the US Army during the time of Aliens?
Well, they'd be on earth. Not being marines.
Fella's...topic. Feel free to go make a thread in Fan Films but this is for discussion of the new comic.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 26, 2009, 06:43:41 AM
Well, they'd be on earth. Not being marines.
......Marine is a term coined for sea based warfare. Not space based warfare.
Obviously Marines are a favorite because people think about their history and their ship based insertion techniques, but its not like the Army is unfamiliar with that as well, since DDay was the largest amphibious landing ever........and it involved primarily Army troops landing.
Rangers specialize in landing via boat or jumping from airborne transports. (so do several other non marine units).
Thats another kicker. Aside from Marsoc and Force Recon and battalion Recon marines have no airborne/airassault capability. Their whole force of airborned qualified personnel is something like 10,000.
While the US army has whole battalions of airborne/air assault troops who would be qualified to jump from transports onto foreign soil, as well as the biggest Special Ops group of any Socom branch of the military.
Maybe in future movies we'll see something with the Army involved.
Trust me, the Marine Corps will never get bigger than the US Army. And it certainly will not hold all of outerspace as its AO while the Army only gets earth. Army generals will again try to absorb it as part of their own infantry before they let that happen.
"Marines" being the sole space-faring combat force simply makes narrative sense when sci-fi at large reconciles our terrestrial oceans with the concept of outer space.
Quote......Marine is a term coined for sea based warfare. Not space based warfare.
Well the space program got a lot of it's astronauts from the navy, so if we ever got to a point where we had
fleets of space
ships, I'd assume a lot of naval stuff would carry over.
EDIT - ^What he said.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 30, 2009, 03:38:02 AM
"Marines" being the sole space-faring combat force simply makes narrative sense when sci-fi at large reconciles our terrestrial oceans with the concept of outer space.
Oh no, I understand that. Its just a fallacy by people to think that way since it has no historic basis. Especially since the Marince Corps gets its major forms of transport to theater by the US Navy as well as its combat medics. Even some of their officers come from the US Navy Academy, and not any type of Marince ROTC/OTS programs.
Everything the marines do the army can do. Its much bigger. It has unlimited funding. It has the most Special Operations personnel, and plenty of Army Generals think the Marines should be part of the US army anyways (just as soldiers that sole specialty is doing ship to ship or ship to land). If you were going to jump out of an aircraft/spaceship you use the Army. Not marines. At least not "standard" marines. While you could use standard infantry battalions with airborne training like the 82nd/101st (if you want Air Assault).
It doesn't make historic sense. And shows an ignorance of the US military history by the authors.
The old authors got it right when they used their spacewarriors as coming from not just the USMC. Its really a modern thing (especially since Aliens) to have every spacewarrior individual dubbed a Marine.
It does show that the Marine Corps has outstanding PR though. Most people have standard infantry Marines as being on par with Army Special Forces.
They need marines to be more modelled on these dudes.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 30, 2009, 05:27:58 AM
stuff
As right as you are, reality is secondary when it comes to writing a fun narrative.
I suppose I'm really just interested to see what capabilities they had.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23927
I aint diggin' that art. No sir.
It looks a lot better colored, but its still incorrect. Rick Leonardi's a great comic artist, but he's just not right for Aliens. He wasn't right for it back when he did Green Lantern vs. Aliens, and that was when his style was considerably more realistic, and now its evolved to a very sketchy style, which is good for a lot of things, but not this.
I have high hopes, but very low expectations.
I see the school of "Draw Aliens as a vague black mass when there are more than three close together" is still churning out graduates.
I'm conflicted.
QuoteHe continued, "the Aliens are primal and pitiless - all teeth and claws - but with a level of 'intellect' that makes them more than mere animals. They're able to figure out things about us. They can anticipate us and, to a certain extent, our technology. Yet, as smart as they can be, there's no point of entry to their thought processes. You could never reason with them."
:)
QuoteThe story of "Three World War" centers on the return to Earth of a lost tribe of Predators, a group more concerned with conquest than the thrill of the hunt. They come armed with advanced technology and weaponized Aliens, and are looking to eradicate their more sporting brethren - and the human race is caught right in the middle. Machiko Noguchi is called upon to strike a tenuous human-Predator alliance, but their team-up is far from friendly.
"Machiko and her human companions are motivated purely by the necessities of survival - the bad Predators are wiping out human settlements out in the galaxy, and the Colonial Marines aren't equipped to defeat them without help from the good Predators," Stradley said.
:(
With no mention of the Aliens ever being anything other than dogs of war.
Hm.
I like how suddenly the Predators that terrorized LA and massacred several special forces teams, not to mention all their EU exploits are now the 'good' predators.
In general, I like the style. I do agree in regards to the mass of Aliens but I'll wait to see some up-close ones. I like the new updated look far better than the older comics.
Nice revealing interview. Again, shame the Aliens are constantly being shafted by the EU. I need to get me some sort of writing gig.
http://www.aliens-versus-predator.de/News-file-article-sid-98.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
AvPWorld has 2 more pages. And now my opinion is swaying against.
ugh. Heavily against, mainly because of the content, not the art. First we have aliens rushing a firing squad, then we have the 'bad' preds letting them off the leashes, and I'll bet good money they return like good little doggies when all's said and done in that scene.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
I like the new updated look far better than the older comics.
Gimme Beuvais or Plunkett over this stuff any day.
Leashed Aliens can go to hell, honestly.
Probably useless speculation, but weren't the big horn things of the "praetorian guards" that featured in some comics described as "mandibles" in the Rogue comic?
We've already asked that question, and Warner and Howard both said that the mandibles in More Than Human are unrelated to what we saw in Earth War/Female War.
But somehow related to 3WW.
QuoteWe've already asked that question, and Warner and Howard both said that the mandibles in More Than Human are unrelated to what we saw in Earth War/Female War.
Where have these things been asked? Some Q and A? Is it online?
Its here. Check out pages 9-11 I think of the 'Aliens May 2009' thread.
Thanks.
Just read it. Damn that artist is bitter.
Yet again, like Aliens and Predators reboots, these covers are absolutely killer!
But shackled Aliens?
I'll wait till the trade-papers come out and take a look at all three series.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/16-112?page=1
Same as before.
I'm thoroughly unenthused. Especially since I just got done rereading Once in a Lifetime, which had Leonardi art and Aliens that didn't look like piles of gooey crap.
Seeing the art, reminiscing about the older, better, more thought out stories in the old publications and with my already formed opinion on the PREDATOR comic series which has come out-- I can say this about Dark Horse:
"Oh how the mighty have fallen."
-Rakai'Thwei
What...The...Hell?! That art's terrible. Fail.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 21, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
"Oh how the mighty have fallen."
Makes me happy that Aliens was awesome. :)
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 21, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
"Oh how the mighty have fallen."
Makes me happy that Aliens was awesome. :)
I wamt to read those. As for 3WW who knows? It may still turn out good.
the art reminds me of Xenogenesis but even more cartoony :/
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/16-112?page=4
Wow, that's pretty bad... Looks like the style used by Italian Donald Duck comic artists.
I like the cartoony artwork! ;D I'm just a very cartoony person! ::)
Can't say I dig it myself. Much prefer Howard and Irwin's efforts.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Dec 21, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
I'm thoroughly unenthused. Especially since I just got done rereading Once in a Lifetime, which had Leonardi art and Aliens that didn't look like piles of gooey crap.
What was Once in a Lifetime? I think I have missed that comic.
Btw, I'm a first time poster, please be gentle. ;)
Quote from: Lobster on Dec 30, 2009, 04:37:20 PMWhat was Once in a Lifetime?
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As you can see, his Aliens looked significantly better at that point in his career.
Ah yes, I remember that one. It was sort of a spin off of Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels.
To bad that they abandoned that storyline. :(
Not entirely - they revisited Tirgu-Mires in Aliens: Wraith.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 22, 2009, 07:47:46 AM
Makes me happy that Aliens was awesome. :)
I gotta say right now, I envy you Alien fans, you guys are getting the better treats as of late.
...Predator fans are just getting screwed over.
-Rakai'Thwei
Apart, of course, from Three World War.
Somehow, I doubt the Pred fans are going to fare much better once TWW hits.
I'm excited about Fast Track to Heaven, though, so its all good :)
The Variant cover of the first issue is up at the site:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-943/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-1-Variant-cover
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Ah, so its Aliens versus Conan. Here, I thought they'd be fighting Predators...
Personally, I hated the way Saltares drew the Predators in the newer comics. I didn't like how they appeared more dinosaur like in their facial appearance and how their dreadlocks were drawn like lion manes.
Raymond Swanland, at least he can draw Predators a little better than Saltares if you ask me.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 31, 2009, 03:45:00 AMI gotta say right now, I envy you Alien fans, you guys are getting the better treats as of late.
...Predator fans are just getting screwed over.
Hardly. You got all the good novels. I like that varient. Very retro.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Dec 31, 2009, 01:25:06 AM
Not entirely - they revisited Tirgu-Mires in Aliens: Wraith.
Oh, I had no idea that Wraith took place on the same planet. Still, I'd love to see Alecto Throop and her owl again.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2009, 11:46:17 AM
Hardly. You got all the good novels. I like that varient. Very retro.
We got all the good novels?
Well, unless you're talking about Concrete Jungle, Cold War, Big Game, Turn About, South China Sea and to a lesser extent, Prey and Hunter's Planet... then yeah.
But I'm talking about the newer comic... and... well, I'm just gonna stop here.
But you Alien fans have some good novels too, from the ones I've read anyway, like Genocide, Earth War, Nightmare Asylum, Berserker..
-Rakai'Thwei
Overall, the Predator novels have been better over the years, but they've far from gotten all the good ones. I quite liked a decent chunk of the Aliens ones.
My mistake. All the good recent novels. Aside from Forever Midnight. The Alien novels haven't been to the same standard.
As far as the new novels go, predator has by far gotten the better treatment.
South China Sea and Turnabout are better than all the new Aliens novels IMO. After reading SCS and some of his other stuff, I wish DH would just let Jeff VanderMeer do whatever he wants with any future predator novels and maybe some alien too.
Vandermeer is really great. I'd love to see what else he'd bring to the table. His Halo short "The Mona Lisa" is amazing. Hopefully he'll write more novels.
Hell yes, just recently read Evolutions and 'The Mona Lisa' is definitely one of the most entertaining and original of the bunch.
It'd be cool if Vandermeer wrote a Predator comic series, prehaps a follow up to AVP: 3WW. I'd like to see how he'd work in the medium.
New interview with Randy Stradley up at IGN:
"Aliens and Predators Return to War"
http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1058673p1.html
One of the points stressed in the story is that it's a mistake to project human emotions or sensibilities on the Predators. They're not "noble savages." Their sense of honor and obligation is very different than ours.
I like!
ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #3 (of 6)
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ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #3 (of 6)
Randy Stradley (W), Rick Leonardi (P), Mark Pennington (I), Wes Dzioba (C), and Raymond Swanland (Cover)
On sale Apr 7
FC, 40 pages, $3.50
Miniseries
Against her better judgment, Machiko Noguchi is back with the Predators, trying to forge a coalition between the clan that once accepted her and a strike force of Colonial Marines. But it's an uneasy alliance at best as neither side understands the motives or mores of the other. Every gesture is a challenge, every altercation an invitation to battle. But the real battle is yet to come — against a rogue clan of warlike Predators with an army of Aliens under their control. It is said that no plan survives contact with the enemy, but Machiko's plan can barely stand up to her allies!
- Featuring the creative dream team of original AVP writer Randy Stradley, Rick Leonardi, Mark Pennington, Wes Dzioba, and Raymond Swanland, Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War ties together story threads introduced in the 1989 AvP series and new Aliens and Predator storylines, setting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined.
Now that - is an epic cover. I've been waiting to see a Swanland queen for months now. Badass.
Quotesetting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined.
I just hope
the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined isn't a fight between red crab Aliens and Predators.
I just hope the fact that they're calling it a brawl doesn't mean that Mario and Samus will be showing up :D
Looks like the marine on the right just opened the Ark of the Covenent.
I dunno, it looks like Machiko's netherparts have gone radioactive and his skin is melting off.
Where did you think the Ark was hidden anyway?
The added logos & titles look nice on the covers:
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;D
Yeah, frankly, its entirely worth buying this book just for Swanland's covers. However, there's still an irrational part of me that hopes that somehow the interiors are worthwhile as well... :-\
You and me both buddy. A good story would be cool too. :)
I wonder if the Swanland cover is a wraparound cover art that includes that back. ???
I might buy 2 if it does. :o 8)
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 10, 2010, 05:54:46 PM
The added logos & titles look nice on the covers:
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;D
The one on the right would look decent if it weren't next to the one on the left.
http://theflickcast.com/2010/01/13/comic-preview-aliens-vs-predator-three-world-war-1/
http://panelsonpages.com/?p=17557
I'm sorry, but it really is hard not to laugh when you see how cartoony the interiors are compared to those fu@k-awesome covers! They just don't gel.
Although I missed Aliens and Predator, I did get the first issue of AVP 3WW today!
Well, I actually enjoyed issue 1 a lot more than I thought I would. The art is more or less suck, but we already knew that. If you can get past the absurdity of a 'renegade clan' (which, by Machiko's description at the end, really sounds like the Bad Bloods we've been introduced to in the past) controlling the Aliens, its a pretty good read, and it felt a lot more satisfying than any of the individual issues of the previous Aliens or Predator series did.
Spoiler
I especially loved them throwing Ellis in there, although it makes me wonder what Jess and Lara are up to 10 years later. Also, Its been too long since I've read Hunter's Planet, but it was obviously some sort of game preserve she had set up there...
EDIT: Also, Chris Warner mentions the Hunter Edition of the upcoming AVP game on the letters page, and it turns out that the hardcover graphic novel is only the material previously released as Aliens vs. Predator # 0, not the entire original AVP story (which is certainly the impression I got). Its still cool, just not perhaps
as cool.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jan 14, 2010, 02:43:50 AM
Well, I actually enjoyed issue 1 a lot more than I thought I would. The art is more or less suck, but we already knew that. If you can get past the absurdity of a 'renegade clan' (which, by Machiko's description at the end, really sounds like the Bad Bloods we've been introduced to in the past) controlling the Aliens, its a pretty good read, and it felt a lot more satisfying than any of the individual issues of the previous Aliens or Predator series did.
Spoiler
I especially loved them throwing Ellis in there, although it makes me wonder what Jess and Lara are up to 10 years later. Also, Its been too long since I've read Hunter's Planet, but it was obviously some sort of game preserve she had set up there...
EDIT: Also, Chris Warner mentions the Hunter Edition of the upcoming AVP game on the letters page, and it turns out that the hardcover graphic novel is only the material previously released as Aliens vs. Predator # 0, not the entire original AVP story (which is certainly the impression I got). Its still cool, just not perhaps as cool.
I really enjoyed this issue as well. The only thing I didn't like was how short it was.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jan 14, 2010, 02:43:50 AM
EDIT: Also, Chris Warner mentions the Hunter Edition of the upcoming AVP game on the letters page, and it turns out that the hardcover graphic novel is only the material previously released as Aliens vs. Predator # 0, not the entire original AVP story (which is certainly the impression I got). Its still cool, just not perhaps as cool.
I agree. I am not as excited now that I know it is just one issue instead of a the whole 1st graphic-novel. Still if it is a fullsize book with dust-jacket it would be nice. (but it may not be like that either)
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jan 14, 2010, 02:53:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jan 14, 2010, 02:43:50 AM
Well, I actually enjoyed issue 1 a lot more than I thought I would. The art is more or less suck, but we already knew that. If you can get past the absurdity of a 'renegade clan' (which, by Machiko's description at the end, really sounds like the Bad Bloods we've been introduced to in the past) controlling the Aliens, its a pretty good read, and it felt a lot more satisfying than any of the individual issues of the previous Aliens or Predator series did.
Spoiler
I especially loved them throwing Ellis in there, although it makes me wonder what Jess and Lara are up to 10 years later. Also, Its been too long since I've read Hunter's Planet, but it was obviously some sort of game preserve she had set up there...
EDIT: Also, Chris Warner mentions the Hunter Edition of the upcoming AVP game on the letters page, and it turns out that the hardcover graphic novel is only the material previously released as Aliens vs. Predator # 0, not the entire original AVP story (which is certainly the impression I got). Its still cool, just not perhaps as cool.
I really enjoyed this issue as well. The only thing I didn't like was how short it was.
That can be the sign of a good comic, that you don't want it to end.....
Or lazy printing, either way.
Read it last night, I liked it for the most part.
It kinda feels a bit like we've got a case of writer on board (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WriterOnBoard), since Randy Stradley didn't really feel like referencing some of the historical events from Arcudi's 'Aliens' series, like the Aliens being on Earth and whatnot.
Spoiler
I kinda wonder about the "covert ops" that the Colonel mentioned, but I don't remember Berserker that well.
It also looks like you could still shoehorn in Hunter's Planet among the events of AvP: War and this new series without too much of an issue, but we'll see if Stradley doesn't do something later on that screws with that.
Art is pretty shit, though. Like, I thought the art in the new Predator series was bad, but goddamn this is a whole lot worse. If they're looking to jumpstart the AvP comic franchise and get people interested in buying new AvP comics (or bring new readers onboard), using shitty art like this is not the way to do it. I will be more than pleased if this artist gets dropped midway through the series and replaced by someone (anyone) better.
What's a shame is he's not a bad artist, and this isn't even his first time doing Aliens. His first two stories both looked pretty decent, but this is just kinda...and then Chris Warner raving about it on the letters page. I'm just not diggin' it.
Yeah, it came as a real shock to me to learn that the alternate cover for AvP:TWW issue 1 was done by the same guy who did the interior art. Like, the cover is pretty f**king excellent. The interior art.... not so much.
What other Aliens stuff did he do? (please don't say he did some of the old Kenner toy comics :p )
Not read any comics apart from the stand alone Concrete Jungle and Stronghold.
Does that "Dances With Predators" chick appear in this new comic. Forget her name, Machori Notsukatsiyama or some bollocks like that?
What's her deal? Why she hanging around with Predators, she bangin one of them or something? Do the comics have a half human half Pred? That would be totally f-upped man!
Look forward to your feedback.
Machiko Noguchi was in the first AvP series, and promptly ditched the Predators in the next series she was in, 'AvP: War'.
Yes she's in this new series, and since it's been 10 years since the events of 'War', she isn't with the Predators and still isn't big fans of them.
No comics have had half-human-half Predators or anything like that.
I see. I thought she was with them cos she liked one of them - you get some odd stuff in comics!
Sounds a all a bit like Dances with Predators to me
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 14, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
What other Aliens stuff did he do? (please don't say he did some of the old Kenner toy comics :p )
Lol no. He did Once in a Lifetime and Green Lantern vs. Aliens.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 15, 2010, 12:15:22 AM
Sounds a all a bit like Dances with Predators to me
Kinda-sorta. She "teams up" with one Predator for survival in the first AvP series, and then goes along with the Predators at the end of the series because she thinks it would be an interesting life experience. As of 'AvP: War' she gets pretty disillusioned with the whole thing because she finds it's really not as wonderful as she thought it would be, so she ditches them after about a year.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jan 15, 2010, 12:46:04 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 14, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
What other Aliens stuff did he do? (please don't say he did some of the old Kenner toy comics :p )
Lol no. He did Once in a Lifetime and Green Lantern vs. Aliens.
Never got around to reading GL vs Aliens (was never a huge GL fan). Was Once in a Lifetime the story in Dark Horse Presents that was a sorta-prequel to 'Aliens: Apocalypse'?
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 15, 2010, 12:15:22 AM
Sounds a all a bit like Dances with Predators to me
Remember the whole Lex/Scar thing? It was like that, just with less suck.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 15, 2010, 01:27:55 AM
Never got around to reading GL vs Aliens (was never a huge GL fan). Was Once in a Lifetime the story in Dark Horse Presents that was a sorta-prequel to 'Aliens: Apocalypse'?
Yes, it was.
Flicked through this. Didn't think the art was as bad as people are saying. I've seen a lot worse.
It's not as bad as Predator: Homeworld, but it's pretty shit compared to, say, the art for 'AvP: Prey', 'AvP: Duel', or hell, even 'AvP: Booty' or 'AvP: Xenogenesis'.
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2010, 02:56:24 AM
Flicked through this. Didn't think the art was as bad as people are saying. I've seen a lot worse.
Agreed. I mean I'd take this over Female War any day.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jan 15, 2010, 03:16:32 AM
Agreed. I mean I'd take this over Female War any day.
I'd take these Aliens over female war, but I think I'd take Female War over these Preds. Course these aren't really 'preds' per se, but still.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jan 15, 2010, 03:23:27 AM
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jan 15, 2010, 03:16:32 AM
Agreed. I mean I'd take this over Female War any day.
I'd take these Aliens over female war, but I think I'd take Female War over these Preds. Course these aren't really 'preds' per se, but still.
Hopefully the comic will seperate these new renagade Preds from the original ones. They already said that these new ones are hnot in if for the honor of the hunt, where the old ones were all about that.
Even though the first issue is leading up to the next, one thing I liked is that it adds duality to the Predator culture. Infact, it may even serve something as a precursor to Rodriguez's Predators with the Super Predator clan being renegades, but it's unlikely, still it's something to think about it. I'm refering to how Machiko had told of an even darker side of Predator culture.
We get the honorable, space samurai type Predators, who hunt with the rules and equal footing. You know, the traditional clans.
And we get the newer, evil, sadistic renegade clan. And the best part is, they don't refer it to just one clan but multiple renegade clans through out history.
-Rakai'Thwei
QuoteEven though the first issue is leading up to the next, one thing I liked is that it adds duality to the Predator culture
That occurred to me too.
One of the things that struck as especially crap though was Machiko saying to the marines "I assume you all know about me" - and then proceeds to tell them all about herself. Very shoddy and so easily avoidable.
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2010, 05:29:43 AM
That occurred to me too.
Are you honestly serious or just being sarcastic. Sometimes it's hard to tell if your are or not.
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2010, 05:29:43 AM
One of the things that struck as especially crap though was Machiko saying to the marines "I assume you all know about me" - and then proceeds to tell them all about herself. Very shoddy and so easily avoidable.
Hmm... I have to re-read the comic again to see what you mean. One thing I can say, while the new mini-series is interesting, it pales in comparison to the original AvP comic.
-Rakai'Thwei
QuoteAre you honestly serious or just being sarcastic. Sometimes it's hard to tell if your are or not.
Serious. Can't really see an opening there for sarcasm. (Hint - I often end with an ellipsis when I'm being sarcastic. Just for future reference.)
The panel that showed two groups of Predators facing off instantly brought the Predators script to mind.
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2010, 05:41:11 AM
The panel that showed two groups of Predators facing off instantly brought the Predators script to mind.
I like the idea of renegade clans who don't hunt for honor or sport, but it just to be bloodthirsty killers because they get a sick rush from it, it definately reminded me of the Predators from Predators.
But I like the traditional clans the best, since I was introduced to those kinds of Predator.
These renegade clans don't really change anything about the Predator culture, but it adds on a darker side to it which not many people seem to think about. I definately like the idea.
Makes you think that all these years, we've only seen one side, and now we're seeing an uglier side of it.
-Rakai'Thwei
With black blood...
Quote from: SM on Jan 15, 2010, 06:09:20 AM
With black blood...
Yes... even with black blood.
I'd like to think of those Predators as one of the many Renegade clans, seeing as they are something in a conflict with the traditional clans.
-Rakai'Thwei
If this series finds a way to tie in "renegade Predators" with the whole "Yautja/Hish" business from the Dark Horse novels, I will be incredibly impressed.
I'm not necessarily hopeful that it will happen, but if it happens I'll be impressed.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 15, 2010, 03:15:07 AM
It's not as bad as Predator: Homeworld
It's bad at first but I didn't mind it as a i read on. The crazy style suited the narrative, I found.
Should be picking up a copy of this today.
I hated the art in Homeworld, I thought it was really terrible and just couldn't get into it at all.
I'm very critical of Predator comics. I find they often have interesting stories and crappy art. When I first flicked through the pages I thought it was going to be another comic I'd slag off but I really got into it.
Yeah, the only reason I put up with Homeworld was because the writing was so solid. I *like* the comic on the whole, but the art is really shit. It's tough to recommend it to most people who aren't die-hard Predator comic book fans because they'll take one look at the art and say "what is this shit" and ditch it.
Just read iss #1. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. The story already seems a lot tighter than the first AvP series. I never thought the first series was that good TBH. I didn't dislike the artwork as much as I thought I would - reading lots of negativeness tends to blunt the effect when you get to it. I do agree that it's not too amazing though.
Esp compared to Zach Howards work. There's not enough detail, the artwork too smuggy. I'll keep reading on though.
That said, the only problem I have with his art is the creature design. I like his humans and environments, it's only the way he draws the creatures.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2010, 01:29:05 PM
That said, the only problem I have with his art is the creature design. I like his humans and environments, it's only the way he draws the creatures.
That's pretty bad when the main selling point of Aliens and Predator comics is the Aliens and Predators. :(
Oh, I'm not gonna argue with that.
I agree about the artwork for the creatures. Still it may get better in the later issues.
Better than the initial series' art, that's fo shizz.
Just read issue #1, tight story but as expected the art is rather, no, make that very bleh
QuoteBetter than the initial series' art, that's fo shizz.
Eh? Better than Nelson?
I don't dig the original series artwork. At least, the colours. I hate the colour work on the original so much.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2010, 07:57:33 AM
I don't dig the original series artwork. At least, the colours. I hate the colour work on the original so much.
you don't like dull green predator armour? what's wrong with you
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2010, 07:57:33 AM
I don't dig the original series artwork. At least, the colours. I hate the colour work on the original so much.
Screw the colours, at least the Aliens didn't dissolve into a blob when more than one got into a frame.
I'll give you that. But still think the colour work is better. I like my Aliens a consistent colour. :) But over-all...yeah, the creature design wasn't impressive.
They should do a brand new colour job for the original comic. I'm sure there's enough of a market for it, if they waited a while.
The story seems interesting, but the creatures, the main reason most of are reading, are terrible.
QuoteI hate the colour work on the original so much.
The original was black and white and fecking sweet.
I'm pretty (actually I know it has at least once) sure the color after the black and white has changed over the years as well. I have some individual issues of AvP where its a more pastel (safari coloring style) color than the newer issues that were released on the re-release of the individual releases a five or so years after the original.
Quote from: Funk on Dec 30, 2009, 07:43:21 AM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/16-112?page=4
Wow, that's pretty bad... Looks like the style used by Italian Donald Duck comic artists.
wtf? Aliens as pets? Did I miss something...
Will they release a collective edition? With all the issues and covers in one book.
Some series do this.
Quote from: Seraph on Jan 19, 2010, 06:51:04 PM
Will they release a collective edition? With all the issues and covers in one book.
Some series do this.
I have no doubt that they will.
Quote from: Seraph on Jan 19, 2010, 06:51:04 PM
wtf? Aliens as pets? Did I miss something...
Will they release a collective edition? With all the issues and covers in one book.
Some series do this.
While it hasn't been confirmed yet, and won't be for some time I imagine, everything is collected in trade these days, and the previous Aliens: More Than Human and Predator: Prey to the Heavens were no exception.
Very, very disappointed in the choice of Leonardi. He brings nothing interesting to the table when drawing the creatures, or anything for that matter. I wish they woulda' pegged out the goods to make Swanland do the interiors as well, or at least someone who can draw aliens that don't look like buck toothed imps.
The grenade trick was neat, but all in all I feel this will be an underwhelming story with a predictable outcome of the Dog-liens.
I finally read this last night. I enjoyed the story and it was cool to see Machiko and Ellis again but that art just doesn't work for me. Another poster, I think, called it 'cartoonish' and that is how I would describe it as well. That style might be fine for another book but IMO, it's completely wrong for an AVP book. It suggests a lack of seriousness and makes the creatures look less threatening than I think they should.
I'll pick up the rest of these issues but I think another art style could make the book really shine if the story continues to be good.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Features/Making-of-a-Comic/1144/Making-of-a-Comic-Aliens-vs-Predator---Three-World-War
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2010, 09:30:46 PM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Features/Making-of-a-Comic/1144/Making-of-a-Comic-Aliens-vs-Predator---Three-World-War
The artwork on page 6 looks better in pencil form than with the final inking and colors added in.
I really like the artwork, it's a bold change. And I'm glad they brought back the survivors, Machiko is a personal fav of mine.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4375&disp=table
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2010, 08:04:19 PM
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4375&disp=table
Re: That last preview page.... see, now THAT is a "Black Super Predator." ;)
ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #4 (of 6)
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Randy Stradley (W), Rick Leonardi (P), Mark Pennington (I), Wes Dzioba (C), and Raymond Swanland (Cover)
On sale May 19 - FC, 40 pages, $3.50
This time it's war! The forces of the shaky alliance between the "hunter" Predators and Colonial Marines hits the beachhead established on the former colony world of Caparis VII by the enemy Predator clan and the Alien warriors under their control. No quarter is asked, and none is given as the Marines and the Hunters intend to destroy their foes, and the Aliens and their Predator masters are fighting for their lives. But as the attack unfolds, Machiko Noguchi suspects that the allies have made a fateful blunder—and no one in command will listen to her warning!
Featuring the creative dream team of original AvP writer Randy Stradley, superstar penciller Rick Leonardi, inker Mark Pennington, colorist Wes Dzioba, and stunning cover artist Raymond Swanland, Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War ties together story threads introduced in the 1989 AvP series and new Aliens and Predator story lines, setting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined.
- With a new film expected this year, demand for these titles is sure to be high.
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I spy, with my little eye, something Alien and mandible-less...
I wonder why some cover artist never want to make comics.
There's a number of reasons. The primary one is some artists are simply not capable of turning out the amount of product per month that doing interiors would require. There's also the factor of some cover art that looks amazing may not work quite as well inside the book. You never really know, however, I'd take almost anything over what I've seen so far from Leonardi on this book.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Feb 09, 2010, 01:37:48 AM
and the Aliens and their Predator masters are fighting for their lives.
HUUUUUNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG
Absolutely stunning work by Swanland again.
Finally got my copy via my mail order service....story was pretty good.... but, gee..what the hell happened to Rick Leonardi's art?...His work 20 years ago on CLoak & Dagger blows this crap out of the water...and Swanland continues to produce some of the best covers I've ever seen....I'd go to the Predator 2009 series thread and comment on issue #4 of that series as well, but that series ended with a huge thud...so, no thanks....
Just to make sure I didn't miss something, only issue #1 has come out so far, right?
Yeah. 2 is out 24th of Feb, I think.
This whole thing of waiting a month for the next issue of a comic was a whole lot easier back when stuff was in single issue stories for the most part. So long ago now, lol.
I agree with most of the people here. Nice story, AMAZING cover art, but not so good comic art.
*SPOILER ALERT*
I'm probably just being petty but I don't like when she refers to the rogue predators as "killers" I thought there supposed to be called "Bad Bloods" or something. I mean "killers" just sounds so uncreative and general.
*END ALERT*
But its worth getting anyways, I have been a HUGE fan of the classic AVP comics series for while and this new series is a worthy addition :)
Just read a preview and I was very dissapointed by the art, the story also seems farfetched. Since when do Predators have Aliens as pets? Truely dissapointing, I can see Dark Horse put no effort into this at all, I have never seen a more awful comic.
I've seen some bad comics but this is bad because it's is a let down.
I would just like to take a moment to say how much it annoys me when people make a judgment on a piece of art (or media, if you prefer) without having partaken of said article in full.
You know, just sayin'.
Quote from: Rebel-Blood on Feb 11, 2010, 01:45:23 AM
Just read a preview and I was very dissapointed by the art, the story also seems farfetched. Since when do Predators have Aliens as pets? Truely dissapointing, I can see Dark Horse put no effort into this at all, I have never seen a more awful comic.
You know...that's actually the point of it. These aren't the Predators we're used to which is a pretty big plot point in the comic. Read the summaries.
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I'm probably just being petty but I don't like when she refers to the rogue predators as "killers" I thought there supposed to be called "Bad Bloods" or something. I mean "killers" just sounds so uncreative and general.
Bad bloods (in Bad blood) is really just one of them. Like a criminal. These "killers" act as a group, and they are not simply bloodthirsty like the one in the before mentioned comic (which most likely has some menatl disorder). They have their own rules but it's twisted and differs from the normal predators' standards. I don't think killers is an unimaginative name. For preds fight is the purpose (as Machiko said too). Simple, mindless killing destroys one of the (if not the) most fundamental rule of their life. Calling these renegades killers is an appropriate way to separate them I think.
I have ambigous feelings about Machiko. It would be strange if the preds would just simply help her/them. They would try to do it alone (after killing the poor lady) imo. But then there would be no story.
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I have ambigous feelings about Machiko. It would be strange if the preds would just simply help her/them. They would try to do it alone (after killing the poor lady) imo. But then there would be no story.
Machiko has a long history with the predators dating all the way back to the first AVP series in 1989. She also lived and hunted with a clan for about a year during which she almost single handedly captured an Alien queen. While she was probably never accepted 100% she certainly earned most of the clans respect. The only issue that I can see as relates to the new series is that at the end of AVP: War Machiko had turned on the predators once they started killing humans again. We'll have to see if that point gets addressed in upcoming issues, but otherwise, Machiko is exactly the person who should attempt to bring the marines and predators together to fight this new clan... :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2010, 07:58:37 AM
You know...that's actually the point of it. These aren't the Predators we're used to which is a pretty big plot point in the comic. Read the summaries.
That's all well and good, but Aliens-as-pets is as dumb as it gets.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 11, 2010, 11:34:48 PM
That's all well and good, but Aliens-as-pets is as dumb as it gets.
I'm not denying that and unless it has something to do with ancient Jockey technology, I wont like how they "found a way" to control the Aliens.
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I have ambigous feelings about Machiko. It would be strange if the preds would just simply help her/them. They would try to do it alone (after killing the poor lady) imo. But then there would be no story.
Machiko has a long history with the predators dating all the way back to the first AVP series in 1989. She also lived and hunted with a clan for about a year during which she almost single handedly captured an Alien queen. While she was probably never accepted 100% she certainly earned most of the clans respect. The only issue that I can see as relates to the new series is that at the end of AVP: War Machiko had turned on the predators once they started killing humans again. We'll have to see if that point gets addressed in upcoming issues, but otherwise, Machiko is exactly the person who should attempt to bring the marines and predators together to fight this new clan... :)
I know her background exactly. That's why I think preds wouldn't work together with her, after she killed many of their comrades, stole their technology and so on. Nor with the marines. It's not an issue of Machiko, her attempts are really meaningless here. Preds will decide if they agree or not. I hope it will be a great story...
(Captured a queen single handedly? That would have been extreme. It hasn't happened yet ;) In war the hunting party did clinche down the queen, and in the ship she fled. In the original comic she killed it with the door.)
Read a bit of it. Seemed pretty meh. The art is terrible, I was never fan of that saturday morning cartoon style in comics. The cover art is awesome. The story is predictable. Shame too.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.darkhorse.com%2Fcovers%2F600%2F16%2F16113.jpg&hash=8c4bba583fa4819fbe71b833da32ff397f7dd973)
Sweet it comes out this week right?
24th I believe.
So sexy. Swanland is a God. I still feel like I prefer Dorman and Beauvais in the long run, but I'd rank Swanland above Bolton now, even as much as I love Bolton's stuff.
Swanland and Dorman must merge together as one.
Their combined artistic genius would cause any viewing of their art to be met with bleeding eyes and cranial implosion.
Does Machiko in that pic remind anyone else of Kerrigan from Starcraft?
Yes, this has been brought up, even though Machiko trademarked the dreadlocked warrior-chick look before Kerrigan did.
I thought the first issue was decent but nothing great.
Story: 8/10 (This series could get good)
Art: 5/10 (not a big fan of the art
Action: 5/10 (Always annoys me when Aliens and Predators dont fight in an AvP comic)
Overall: 6/10 But I hope when it's put together with the next 3 issues it will be better. This comics just seems like an intro into the good part.
It's a 6 issue series. :)
Just picked up and read the second issue. Have to say, that even though I didn't like the first one very much the second issue really picks up the pace and finally makes some attempts to let the fans know what the hell has been going on with the Aliens and Predator series'. Even if they are thin, I liked how they tied in the recent issues when I didn't think they'd bother. The nods to both Thorpe and Sereda were well done imo. Also the aliens don't look quite as wormy as they did in #1 so hopefully that wont turn people away from the series much anymore.
First issue: 5/10
2nd: 9/10
Ugh it's going to take forever for this to come out in trade. :(
Exceedingly good second issue. I'm starting to feel really good about the remainder of the series. Tied together the previous two storylines very nice and tidy-like, and I'm starting to get used to the artwork. If you can get past the "There's no way a human could ever kill an alien or a predator" mentality that pervades a lot of these forums, this is proving to be a phenomenal read.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Feb 25, 2010, 01:49:19 AM
the "There's no way a human could ever kill an alien or a predator" mentality that pervades a lot of these forums
I've honestly never experienced that. I mean, humans kill Aliens and Predators in, like, every single Alien and Predator movie. Heck, the only time Predators aren't killed by humans is in the AvP movies.
I picked up my issue yesterday but got home really really late. I'll read through it today, but I'm sure glad to hear it's better than issue #1, which left me pretty lukewarm.
Well, I'll admit, that statement was less about the community as a whole and more about one specific, rather lengthy, not entirely civil argument over whether Machiko besting a Predator in hand-to-hand combat in the opening of War was feasible. Although the mentality has cropped up occasionally elsewhere.
The mentality of "that story sucked because [insert character or monster here] could never have been defeated that way/that easily" has always hacked me off. A lot of people cite it as the primary reason they dislike the american Godzilla film (a film which I myself have no problem with), or the new Trek movie (TEH KIRK WUD NEVAR LOZE A BAR FITE).
Aliens would never bend under the will of Predators.
It's like trying to conclusively display a Xenomorph homeworld or apply absolute, definitive terms to their biology - it subverts the source material entirely. That kind of thing is a real atmosphere and concept killer for me, because it may as well have nothing to do with the Aliens at all.
We just don't know how Aliens work, where they came from, whatever. They could be the semi-conscious tendrils of a star god in deep sleep given corporeal form, for all we know. So having them so utterly dominated by the Predators trivialises all the mystery, potential and subjectivity that goes with the concept of their enigma.
I absolute loathe how Arcudi has basically decided that Aliens are, without exception, X, Y and Z. Perry does this a lot too, and it's all equally infuriating to see professional writers display this level of ignorance, after so many years, concerning what made the Aliens work in the films. Being, y'know, professionals in writing, they should be highly skilled at text analysis. If this is indeed the case, it's clear that they've spared no thought for anything to do with the Aliens (or the Predators, really, they only get by better because Arcudi tends to like to cast them as the bronze-age hero archetype).
QuoteI absolute loathe how Arcudi has basically decided that Aliens are, without exception, X, Y and Z.
When did he do that?
I don't have as much of a problem with Predators "controlling" (or at least, trying to control) Aliens because if nothing else it shows a progression of knowledge and technology. The comics and whatnot handle that pretty well when it comes to humans fighting Aliens - over time, our knowledge of them is inevitably going to increase, and by our very nature we're going to figure out ways to out-fight them or overcome their abilities. Does that make the Aliens "lesser" in any way? Not at all. It just makes humans
realistic. Will the Aliens always have a new trick up their sleeve? I don't doubt it, it's what keeps the story interesting. But to always typecast the Aliens as unconquerable monsters that no one can ever control would make the humans (and Predators, to a lesser extent) seem like stagnant entities that don't learn from their experiences as a species.
As it stands, we've got one example of Predators actually controlling Aliens and somehow using them like attack dogs, and even Machiko says "this is f**king unheard of, what the f**k". You'd better believe it's going to get sorted out before the series ends and odds are things are going to go horribly wrong for the "Killers" and their pet Aliens are going to exact some sweet, sweet vengeance.
On the topic of the new issue, I liked it. The callbacks to the previous stuff is pretty neat, and the action is cool, but I'm still not digging the art. It just feels sloppy compared to most of the other Aliens/Predator/AvP art that's been done in the past and it makes it hard to follow some of the characters sometimes. I got really confused when Sereda showed up because he's got the same outfit and basic appearance as Colonel Rast 2 pages prior, the only difference being their hair color.
QuoteMachiko says "this is f**king unheard of, what the f**k".
:D :D :D :D :D
Awesome
I think by the way the killers can't fully control aliens. I'm waiting for the moment xenos turn on them and rip them to pieces. I feel very ambigous about the controlled aliens, but without a doubt they lose their fearsome appearance by being depicted as a pet. Though when they'll break loose, I think xenos will rise and shine ;D
Just got issue 2 and it's light years above issue 1. Absolutely loved it from start to finish. The art is taking some getting used to. It certainly isn't my favorite style but I've seen worse. I agree with the comment about Sereda. I was like..."WTF" flipped back a few pages to see if he'd been there all along.
Seriously, the penciller isn't doing his job if you need the colorist's work to tell the characters apart.
Remember, Dark Horse used to exclusively do black-and-white artwork back in the day. TWW's art flat-out wouldn't work if it were straight black-and-white.
humans killing or besting predators or aliens is fine, I and most other fans are concerned with how it's done
what I thought stupid was the way machiko threw around a predator like a rag doll
then people replied with "oh well she's using judo so her opponent's strength and size advantage counts for nothing"
insults started flying my way when I tried to explain that while effective use of judo may reduce a larger opponent's size and strength advantage, that advantage can't be eliminated
Did they really have to bring back f**king Machiko? God, I hate that character. The entire notion of a human living with Predators on a Predator ship, wearing Predator gear... f**k that. I was angry from the moment she walked aboard the ship at the end of the first series. It's one of the dumbest things to happen in this franchise outside of DotS.
You realize that that problem gets solved in AvP: War, where she and Predators pretty much end up hating each other after 1 year and both sides realize they made a big mistake, right?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 25, 2010, 10:30:55 PM
You realize that that problem gets solved in AvP: War, where she and Predators pretty much end up hating each other after 1 year and both sides realize they made a big mistake, right?
I've read it. That doesn't solve the problem. The problem is only solved if it never, ever happened. The entire concept is f**king asinine and never should've passed the point of someone suggesting it in a story meeting before the entire room erupted into laughter and dismissed it as the dumbest thing they'd heard that year.
Eh, I never had a problem with it I guess.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 25, 2010, 06:14:40 PM
When did he do that?
Since day one, essentially. Arcudi's writing consistently pens the Aliens as animalistic cannon fodder. Other writers have Aliens get shot down or destroyed, but they at least give them
some credit. Arcudi's treatment of the concept is only otherwise rivaled by Perry.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 25, 2010, 06:14:40 PMI don't have as much of a problem with Predators "controlling" (or at least, trying to control) Aliens because if nothing else it shows a progression of knowledge and technology. The comics and whatnot handle that pretty well when it comes to humans fighting Aliens - over time, our knowledge of them is inevitably going to increase, and by our very nature we're going to figure out ways to out-fight them or overcome their abilities. Does that make the Aliens "lesser" in any way? Not at all. It just makes humans realistic. Will the Aliens always have a new trick up their sleeve? I don't doubt it, it's what keeps the story interesting. But to always typecast the Aliens as unconquerable monsters that no one can ever control would make the humans (and Predators, to a lesser extent) seem like stagnant entities that don't learn from their experiences as a species.
Aliens can be killed in numerous ways, but their unconquerable tenacity cannot be controlled. That was a staple concept of the
Alien series in every single movie. Every writer and director has gone out of their way to show that they cannot be controlled by any means, and if it looks as if you
do have dominance, they're just playing along.
The Lovecraftian vastness and weirdness of their psyche is a central part of the Alien concept. Whatever the Aliens turn out to be and whatever their origins are, the meaning of their presence is clear - they're the thing that sits, waiting, in the dark corners of reality. Perhaps they're animals. Perhaps they're war-machines. Perhaps they're the sentient finger-tendrils of a dormant star god. We don't know, but the facts of the matter aren't as relevant as what the Alien was attempting to express.
There's a significance between killing an Alien and dominating it. The first one happens all the time (in relative 'all the time' terms) - the second is truly impossible. Why? Because it is. That's the rule that's been set up. Aliens come from facehuggers. Aliens prefer the dark. Aliens are psychologically unbreakable. Ash pretty much made it objectively clear - being a synthetic, he'd be clear from subjectivity. It says a lot when a
robot praises the purity and efficiency of a creature.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 25, 2010, 06:14:40 PMAs it stands, we've got one example of Predators actually controlling Aliens and somehow using them like attack dogs, and even Machiko says "this is f**king unheard of, what the f**k". You'd better believe it's going to get sorted out before the series ends and odds are things are going to go horribly wrong for the "Killers" and their pet Aliens are going to exact some sweet, sweet vengeance.
We'll see, I'm sure. I wouldn't be surprised if that never happened, at least until the very end. But it's basically what I've come to expect from Arcudi.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 26, 2010, 03:00:47 AM
Aliens can be killed in numerous ways, but their unconquerable tenacity cannot be controlled. That was a staple concept of the Alien series in every single movie. Every writer and director has gone out of their way to show that they cannot be controlled by any means, and if it looks as if you do have dominance, they're just playing along.
The Lovecraftian vastness and weirdness of their psyche is a central part of the Alien concept. Whatever the Aliens turn out to be and whatever their origins are, the meaning of their presence is clear - they're the thing that sits, waiting, in the dark corners of reality. Perhaps they're animals. Perhaps they're war-machines. Perhaps they're the sentient finger-tendrils of a dormant star god. We don't know, but the facts of the matter aren't as relevant as what the Alien was attempting to express.
There's a significance between killing an Alien and dominating it. The first one happens all the time (in relative 'all the time' terms) - the second is truly impossible. Why? Because it is. That's the rule that's been set up. Aliens come from facehuggers. Aliens prefer the dark. Aliens are psychologically unbreakable. Ash pretty much made it objectively clear - being a synthetic, he'd be clear from subjectivity. It says a lot when a robot praises the purity and efficiency of a creature.
MOTHER. f**kING. THIS.
This is how I've felt since I heard of the conception of this story. In the comics the alien (and to a lesser extent, predator too) has been taken apart, degraded and exposed on almost every level of their existence. Unless this has something to do with a Queen's influence I HATEHATEHATE the idea that anyone (outside maybe the jockey's or whatever star-god that made the xenos) is able to break and control the aliens. Thats just been a rule throughout the mythos.
You cant teach it tricks. And even if they do turn on their predator handlers or whatever, its still a cliché cheap plot point that everyone and their grandma saw coming.
And Arcudi's name has been thrown around here, but isn't all this junk Stradley's idea?
Arcudi, Stradley, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Perry, form an unholy trinity of "themes deeper than SHOOT DEM BUGS are shit"
I rest my case.
Also, I would like to point out that the Killers weren't really controlling the Aliens, or at least it didn't specifically spell that out. They basically just set them loose, and it never shows them recollecting the aliens afterwards. For all we know at this point, they just breed them in captivity (dangerous, but possible so long as we can assume they've developed some kind of acid-proof metal), then set them loose. That's worlds different from actually controlling them. Now, this may prove to be rebuffed by the end of the series, but for now its as workable as anything else.
Another small point, did anyone else notice that the Aliens in issue 2 seem to have shed their mandibles? I shall laugh rather heartily if Dark Horse has just decided to abandon this plot point, given the big deal of secrecy over it, and the fact that the cover for issue 4 also features a normal alien.
the Killers not controlling and 'aiming' that aliens could be a possible explanation, but we've seen them
on leashes, there would be nothing stopping the aliens from turning right around and mauling the shit out of the killers. (oh I forgot, this is darkhorse, aliens are weakling bugs who are only effective in droves) And yeah, the lack of tusks in this issue and on the cover of #4 irks me. But then again, Leonardi's art is so sloppy and inconsistent I wouldn't be surprised if he just forgot to draw them on all together.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 26, 2010, 03:54:05 AM
Arcudi, Stradley, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Perry, form an unholy trinity of "themes deeper than SHOOT DEM BUGS are shit"
Ooh thats a good'n. I prefer the term "SHOOTAN ALIENZ" personally.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 26, 2010, 03:00:47 AM
Aliens can be killed in numerous ways, but their unconquerable tenacity cannot be controlled. That was a staple concept of the Alien series in every single movie. Every writer and director has gone out of their way to show that they cannot be controlled by any means, and if it looks as if you do have dominance, they're just playing along.
The Lovecraftian vastness and weirdness of their psyche is a central part of the Alien concept. Whatever the Aliens turn out to be and whatever their origins are, the meaning of their presence is clear - they're the thing that sits, waiting, in the dark corners of reality. Perhaps they're animals. Perhaps they're war-machines. Perhaps they're the sentient finger-tendrils of a dormant star god. We don't know, but the facts of the matter aren't as relevant as what the Alien was attempting to express.
I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just willing to give the new AvP series the benefit of the doubt for now and see what he does with it. If Machiko is shocked and appalled that any Predators are "controlling" the Aliens, I imagine it's going to become a major plot point that gets explained as the series goes on.
QuoteAsh pretty much made it objectively clear - being a synthetic, he'd be clear from subjectivity. It says a lot when a robot praises the purity and efficiency of a creature.
Ehhhh.... Ash never encounters the adult Alien and makes sweeping generalizations about an entire species based on his dissection of the facehugger and otherwise second-hand accounts of everything else one creature does, so I'm really hesitant to call his assessment "objective".
But then again, the A/2 series was always a bit twitchy. ;)
Not to mention, "synthetic = objective" might be debatable if we're talking true, adaptable artificial intelligence. If a synthetic is able to learn from experiences and make judgment calls, I'd say it's inherently as objective as a human is (which is to say, it's not).
QuoteQuote from: Xenomrph on Feb 25, 2010, 06:14:40 PMAs it stands, we've got one example of Predators actually controlling Aliens and somehow using them like attack dogs, and even Machiko says "this is f**king unheard of, what the f**k". You'd better believe it's going to get sorted out before the series ends and odds are things are going to go horribly wrong for the "Killers" and their pet Aliens are going to exact some sweet, sweet vengeance.
We'll see, I'm sure. I wouldn't be surprised if that never happened, at least until the very end. But it's basically what I've come to expect from Arcudi.
But the thing is, Arcudi isn't writing the AvP series. :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 07:22:01 AM
I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just willing to give the new AvP series the benefit of the doubt for now and see what he does with it. If Machiko is shocked and appalled that any Predators are "controlling" the Aliens, I imagine it's going to become a major plot point that gets explained as the series goes on.
I'll take the opposite stance, then - I'll begin by condemning it, but if the series turns out good, then I'll pickup the softcover collection at the end of the road. :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 07:22:01 AMEhhhh.... Ash never encounters the adult Alien and makes sweeping generalizations about an entire species based on his dissection of the facehugger and otherwise second-hand accounts of everything else one creature does, so I'm really hesitant to call his assessment "objective".
But then again, the A/2 series was always a bit twitchy. ;)
Not to mention, "synthetic = objective" might be debatable if we're talking true, adaptable artificial intelligence. If a synthetic is able to learn from experiences and make judgment calls, I'd say it's inherently as objective as a human is (which is to say, it's not).
On the other hand, a synthetic can still distance itself from preference and opinion.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 07:22:01 AMBut the thing is, Arcudi isn't writing the AvP series. :P
Wha- oh damn.
Well, this isn't out-of-character for Stradley, either.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 26, 2010, 09:35:07 AM
On the other hand, a synthetic can still distance itself from preference and opinion.
Can it? :P
Uh-oh.
That can of worms.
Just sayin', we don't exactly know how artificial intelligence works in the AvP universe (although the USCM Tech Manual has a chapter about synthetics, I can glance through it) and we do know that synthetics can be damaged to the point that some of their functions don't work right. So saying "synthetics can be objective" like it's some sort of blanket statement seems a bit premature.
And like I said, the A/2 models always were a bit twitchy anyway. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2010, 06:08:26 PM
It's a 6 issue series. :)
Oh sweet even better!
By the way has anyone seen the covers for Issues 3 and 4? Amazing!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/three+world+war (link to the covers)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
Just sayin', we don't exactly know how artificial intelligence works in the AvP universe (although the USCM Tech Manual has a chapter about synthetics, I can glance through it) and we do know that synthetics can be damaged to the point that some of their functions don't work right. So saying "synthetics can be objective" like it's some sort of blanket statement seems a bit premature.
But a working synthetic in a state of high maintenance would be ruled by the software that informed its ability to perceive and react. This essentially means that a synthetic's perception is determined by mathematics.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 27, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
Just sayin', we don't exactly know how artificial intelligence works in the AvP universe (although the USCM Tech Manual has a chapter about synthetics, I can glance through it) and we do know that synthetics can be damaged to the point that some of their functions don't work right. So saying "synthetics can be objective" like it's some sort of blanket statement seems a bit premature.
But a working synthetic in a state of high maintenance would be ruled by the software that informed its ability to perceive and react. This essentially means that a synthetic's perception is determined by mathematics.
Not necessarily. Something like a "quantum" processor that simulates human brain functions would make it essentially think like a human does. Sure it's still 1s and 0s at its core, but human brain functions are just chemical reactions and electrical impulses if you simplify it down far enough too.
The question you have to ask is:
"Why?"
If the Company produces a synthetic with proper self-awareness, it's a potential threat to operations. Ash in particular was clearly working under strict, immutable orders. These were probably reinforced by his programming, because otherwise he'd probably get shitscared of the Alien like everyone else and panic.
In fact, his lack of fear or discomfort until Ripley outs him suggests that his inner workings are divorced from what is essentially human. He only ever, ever displays any level of discomfort when his mission for the Company is threatened.
Call ends up being evidence enough of my point - she was one of the few synthetics to be given absolutely true self-awareness. Her kind were not commercially viable or successful, simply because their free will prevented them from being efficient servants like Ash was.
For the curious, the USCM Tech Manual says they don't have "true" self-awareness, but they are capable of intuition, learning from experience, sensory data, and to a certain degree, abstract concepts and symbologies.
Anything that learns from experience, by its nature, isn't 100% objective anymore since everyone has different experiences and incorporates those experiences differently into their knowledge-base.
Point is, citing Ash as an "objective" source of information on Aliens (especially when he makes sweeping generalizations about a species after having second-hand encounters with one member of said species) might not be as air-tight as you think it is just because "he's a synthetic".
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 27, 2010, 06:50:01 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 27, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 26, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
Just sayin', we don't exactly know how artificial intelligence works in the AvP universe (although the USCM Tech Manual has a chapter about synthetics, I can glance through it) and we do know that synthetics can be damaged to the point that some of their functions don't work right. So saying "synthetics can be objective" like it's some sort of blanket statement seems a bit premature.
But a working synthetic in a state of high maintenance would be ruled by the software that informed its ability to perceive and react. This essentially means that a synthetic's perception is determined by mathematics.
Not necessarily. Something like a "quantum" processor that simulates human brain functions would make it essentially think like a human does. Sure it's still 1s and 0s at its core, but human brain functions are just chemical reactions and electrical impulses if you simplify it down far enough too.
Ok, not to anger anyone, but is this really the right forum to have this discussion?
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36:30 PM
Ok, not to anger anyone, but is this really the right forum to have this discussion?
Well, if you'd read more than a few posts back, you'd know the answer to that question.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Feb 25, 2010, 10:18:05 PM
Did they really have to bring back f**king Machiko? God, I hate that character. The entire notion of a human living with Predators on a Predator ship, wearing Predator gear... f**k that. I was angry from the moment she walked aboard the ship at the end of the first series. It's one of the dumbest things to happen in this franchise outside of DotS.
i feel you homeboy
Well I just read AvP: TWW #2 and I though it was a step up from the first one but still lacking Aliens fighting Predators, which is what I want out of an AvP comic.
But the story was good and there was some good action, so still the upcoming comics in the series look great.
AvP: TWW #1- 6/10
TWW #2- 7.5/10
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 03, 2010, 01:22:11 AM
Well I just read AvP: TWW #2 and I though it was a step up from the first one but still lacking Aliens fighting Predators, which is what I want out of an AvP comic.
But the story was good and there was some good action, so still the upcoming comics in the series look great.
AvP: TWW #1- 6/10
TWW #2- 7.5/10
yes but it had a fight between a predator and a diminutive japanese woman and as everyone knows, that's what avp fans really want to see
Hah! Just read issue two and there are definately some parallels to these Bad Blooded Clan and Rodriguez's Black Super Predators. In the first few pages, there are some really interesting analogies:
Spoiler
"Now two years ago, you were reported K.I.A. in Eastern Africa. Thirteen days ago, you show up wandering outside of Cadiz California, claiming you had been kidnapped by Space Aliens."
"At first we didn't know who we were fighting. Half the time we couldn't even see them-- they had some kind of personal cloaking systems.."
"So you're familiar with their technology?"
"Hell no! They kept me in a darkened cell most of the time, do you want me to tell my story or--"
"These guys are badasses. They took out all of my men-- killed every living thing that crossed their path. I got the impression that their whole society was based on killing and conquering."
"And I thank Christ they decided-- for whatever reason-- to drop me off before they left."
"They dumped me in the middle of nowhere and took off.. I just figured.."
Methinks Dark Horse is either inspired by the leaked PREDATORS script, or they're in the know too.
-Rakai'Thwei
got number 1. still waiting to get number 2... so are these "killer" Predator's the same as a bad blood predator?
We don't have any concrete evidence but it's looking more and more like the "killers" are indeed black super preds.
I got it today. Yeah, much of a delay. I think it was pretty much like the first one, without the surprise of the revealing of the nature of the 'killers'. And the style looks weird. Super weird.
But seriously:
Spoiler
Machiko killed that pred like it was a baby boy. Lol
Spoiler
Are there aliens on Ryushi? The wound of the rynth the preds surrounded seemed like there was a chestburster in it. At least I hope not the preds were after that 'extremely agressive and ferocious beast'
I would guess Ryushi was one of their safari planets and seed it with eggs and use the rynth as hosts.
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Randy Stradley (W), Rick Leonardi (P), Mark Pennington (I), Wes Dzioba (C), and Raymond Swanland (Cover)
On sale June 30
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Whoever said "War is Hell" didn't know the half of it. The Colonial Marines and their Predator allies look to take the fight to the enemy Predators and the Alien horde they control—but the daunting numbers of the bug swarm may be more than human and hunter can overcome. Their last hope may lie in the synthetic hands of the android David Sereda, who discovers the enemy's bug hatchery and a secret that may stem the deadly Alien tide—if he can survive long enough to tell the tale!
Featuring the creative dream team of original AvP writer Randy Stradley, superstar penciller Rick Leonardi, inker Mark Pennington, colorist Wes Dzioba, and stunning cover artist Raymond Swanland, Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War ties together story threads introduced in the 1989 AvP series and new Aliens and Predator storylines, setting the stage for the most epic AvP brawl ever imagined.
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I guess this is Issue #5's cover?
Sereda is in the AvP comic?
Damn.
Hate to see his arc ruined by predator buffoonary.
He was in the 2nd issue.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 17, 2010, 11:32:18 PM
Sereda is in the AvP comic?
Damn.
Hate to see his arc ruined by predator buffoonary.
Who is Sereda?
The main character in the most recent 'Aliens' comic series, the one that's being collected as 'Aliens: More Than Human'.
Preview for Part 3 is up.
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?gid=1816
Looks okay. There's been worse stories and art. I'm kind of liking it (other than the aliens).
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 19, 2010, 08:31:04 PM
Looks okay. There's been worse stories and art. I'm kind of liking it (other than the aliens).
Yea I'm really having trouble getting over how bad the Aliens look, especially looking at how awesome they look on the cover, and then opening up the comics to see them like they are.....
I haven't picked up an issue yet. Waited for the TPB. But yeah, the Aliens look horrific, but not as bad as Rogue. I like Rogue's story, so it over rides the horrid art.
There's an Alien comic called Rouge? ???
Sorry, Rogue.
Ooh.
Is "Ellis" in the new comic series the same as in War? As in, the same as in Berserker?
Yes. In the preview above, he is shown.
Man, he wasn't that interesting in Berserker to begin with!
It's nice to have a reoccurring character though.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 09:14:17 PM
Man, he wasn't that interesting in Berserker to begin with!
He's basically taking the place of the Attila character from Hunter's Planet in relation to Machiko.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 09:14:17 PM
Man, he wasn't that interesting in Berserker to begin with!
He acually got more depth in the AvP:War Novel so I like him.
I myself enjoy the art Issue one was bad but Issue two was ten times better. The reason I enjoy the art is becuse its poppy and action backed in the colors and inks. Yes its no comic like Scalped or Daytripper from Vertigo comics but it has its own vibe which makes me glad im a alien and predator fan. ;D
Part 3 should have been out today?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2010, 09:53:28 PM
Part 3 should have been out today?
Just got it.. I'll be reading it very soon.
-Rakai'Thwei
Opinions? I'm gonna text my local comic book guy and see if they've got it in yet. :)
Got issue 3, read it. It wasn't as good as two but still way better than 1. Actually I liked it a lot except for one scene
Spoiler
In the scene where the humans help the preds bring down the queen it seemed kind of odd to me that the preds were thankful at all for the help. I remember in AVP: war issue zero when Machiko left her post to grab one of the chains the clan leader slapped the shit out of her because she slightly lowered there honor for the expedition even though she saved them all. It just seems to me that they wouldn't be to happy at all that complete outsiders show up and save them all.
Other than that I thought #3 was pretty good and I can't wait for issue four when it looks like actual Predator vs. Predator will take place.
P.S. on a side note people were wondering why issue #4 had aliens on the cover with no tusks, I don't know for sure but in issue three the aliens are tuskless but that's because they aren't involved at all with the Black Bloods, it seems only "slave" aliens have tusks.
Issue 3 was mostly a slow issue. And when I mean slow there was little action in it, but this is meant to show as a precursor to what is supposed to happen in the next issue. This issue made me raise some eyebrows here and there, and seeing Predators and humans work side to side is something I should be used to, seeing as I have read the comics for years and even seen the AvP films... but something made me raise an eyebrow. Namely when the Predators OPENLY listened to Machiko without grudging problems considering what she has done in the past, and are so... open and willing to work with the USCMC to deal with the renegade clan.
...I expected the Predators to be harder to reach and them grudgingly accepting.
What REALLY irked me was seeing how thankful the Predators were in the capturing of the Queen with human assistance. Seeing one Predator pick up Rowdy's hat and giving it back to him was just... awkward to see.
This issue was interesting but awkward.
-Rakai'Thwei
Still not recieved it. Bank holiday weekend put the delivery back. :-\
Consider the comic only has limited issues so they might not be able to fit everything they wanted in.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2010, 05:39:35 PM
Seeing one Predator pick up Rowdy's hat and giving it back to him was just... awkward to see.
It
was a pretty awesome hat.
That is completely true. The Predator probably dived and caught the hat before it hit the ground, just so it wouldn't get dirty. He's in the hospital for a fractured arm.
It was a solid issue. Besides my usual complaint about how the artwork does not fit AvP at all, I also must say that being halfway through the series I am amazed and annoyed by the fact that there has been no Alien vs Predator action (except for like one small panel). But I still like the story and I want to support AvP comics so I'll still buy the next issue.
Well I did quite enjoy issue 3. I'm starting to get used to the artwork now and I can handle it. I found the issue to be pretty engaging and I look forward to seeing things pick up steam for the next issue.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 11, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Well I did quite enjoy issue 3. I'm starting to get used to the artwork now and I can handle it. I found the issue to be pretty engaging and I look forward to seeing things pick up steam for the next issue.
Me too. I'm enjoying it alot, but I do hope things pick up a bit.
Can't wait to get issue 3!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate the style of the artist. It is just ..well...terrible.
But the cowers are awesome.
Quote from: Bender1988 on Apr 15, 2010, 06:23:56 PM
I hate the style of the artist. It is just ..well...terrible.
But the cowers are awesome.
I know the artwork is terrible for AvP (especially for the Aliens). The story, covers and just the fact that it's Aliens and Predators makes me coming back to it.
Quote from: Bender1988 on Apr 15, 2010, 06:23:56 PM
I hate the style of the artist. It is just ..well...terrible.
But the cowers are awesome.
Well for me i like the art its very poppy and different. But I'm like you i really enjoy this series and i cant wait for issue 4
You've just gotta get used to it. It's nowhere near as bad as the worse of the series, Female War for example.
Yeah, I hate saying that about Sam Keith because I do enjoy his work elsewhere, but his style is all wrong for an Aliens comic. I first read Female War back in 1992 at age 15 and hated it then too.
Just picked up the first 3 issues of AVP: TWW and I think its a pretty badass story so far. Especially bringing back that Machiko character from the first avp comic, not to mention the cover art for all the issues is amazing. The actual story art could be better but I can deal w/ it. Cant wait for the rest of the issues and if their will be a trade paperback.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 17, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
You've just gotta get used to it. It's nowhere near as bad as the worse of the series, Female War for example.
Just not Aliens or Pred artwork at all.
I look forward to Fast Track to Heaven,'cause that art looks to have some class for the series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 17, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
You've just gotta get used to it. It's nowhere near as bad as the worse of the series, Female War for example.
Agreed 100% Female War is just....... Hideous.
true.
About damn time they include accurate-looking colonial marines in an avp comic.
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 18, 2010, 11:51:31 PM
I look forward to Fast Track to Heaven,'cause that art looks to have some class for the series.
yes fast track to heaven's art looks very promising
Quote from: xenotool on Apr 30, 2010, 03:25:24 PM
About damn time they include accurate-looking colonial marines in an avp comic.
That's one thing I do like. It makes a refreshing change.
Got vol. 3 today. Preds are now buddies, yess.
4/10
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5159&disp=table
Issue 4 preview.
Worst.
Fodderisation.
Ever.
Seriously, what the f**k guys.
The last panel of the last issue is Randy Stradley giving the finger to a copy of Alien.
How do I describe the sheer level of misinterpretation in there? Where do I begin?
With the Aliens themselves? That's the most hurtful grievance, but only a part of the issue.
The Predators? Those running buffoons who mindlessly throw themselves into a swarm of Aliens?
Or the Marines? Brilliant discipline there, firing blindly into melee combats that your allies are involved in, and leaving the relative safety of your motherf**king tank with a motherf**king turret weapon in the face of an Alien swarm.
I don't get it.
So dark armor bad guy predators have just been being assholes for like what? 200 years since the predator series? And only now when some humans come to see them that the regular preds say "lol ok" and team up to fight a lord of the rings-esque melee alien war? I feel like we missed a whole issue here. I don't see the reason for the regular preds to bother with this now. I just doesn't seem important enough.
I like the preview art can't wait to get my hands on the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Spaghetti on May 11, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
I don't get it.
So dark armor bad guy predators have just been being assholes for like what? 200 years since the predator series? And only now when some humans come to see them that the regular preds say "lol ok" and team up to fight a lord of the rings-esque melee alien war? I feel like we missed a whole issue here. I don't see the reason for the regular preds to bother with this now. I just doesn't seem important enough.
But it says they've been fighting for a long time, and killers became like legends among preds. They thought they have won. Though now they're reminded they haven't. Though the whole story looks cheesy for me now. A bit boring.
huh, they must have barely touched on that in like one panel cause I don't remember any of it.
Gotta say I'm really not liking this. How they introduced Sereda was just lame and with the art style i couldn't tell him apart from the other burly short-haired dudes, should've kept his eyepatch, I know he's a synth and it would've been easily replaced, but it gave him some character. The usage of actual colonial marines is a nice touch, but it feels like this story is trying to be waaaaay too big. I feel like this should have been the last arc in a three volume AVP series, fleshing out this whole story.
Show the conqueror predators as more of a threat to human and predators alike, it all seems like its going way too fast. Give the goddamn humans characters some backstory and personality.The only ones I can gather are Machiko, Ellis, some dude who's supposed to be Sereda, marine boss, cowboy hat, cook with knife.. uhhh yeah. Goddamn I'd even want some predator characterization.
And I don't give two shits about Ellis, what is he supposed to be machiko's lover or something?
Or better yet, scrap the whole idea and get someone who can make a small, contained AVP story that is true to both creatures without trying to be a huge 'event' story or add new shit for the sake of it.
This comic is Stradley not developing as a writer in the least since the original AvP comic in '89.
Issue 1 and 2 covered the whole Killers/Hunters thing. But yeah, Machiko seems to be the only character getting anything and even then it's not much. Lots of focus on the war. Shame Stradley really doesn't seem to respect the Aliens. Another reason I really can't wait for Fast Track to Heaven.
But that said, I do hope the war is huge and big and makes up for everything else.
ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: THREE WORLD WAR #6
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With the enemy Predator clan and their murderous legion of Alien war slaves ready to close the book once and for all on the alliance of Human and Predator, the Colonial Marines and "Hunter" Predators mount a desperate offensive behind enemy lines to unleash the one surprise element that could even the odds and win the day. But humans should never make the mistake that "the enemy of my enemy" can be counted on as a true friend, and with each Hunter packing a fissile self-destruct, could this courageous assault really be nothing more than a nuclear suicide mission? The apocalyptic conclusion to the ultimate battle royal!
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dat cover
seriously
This is legen...wait for it...dary.
Quote
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4670/avp6.jpg
HUUUNNNNNNGG
If this ends up being the cover for the Graphic Novel collection I'll actually buy it.
And I wonder how long it's gonna take Dark Horse to realize they need to release these Swanland covers as high quality posters...I know of at LEAST 4 of his covers I'd buy as a poster, including that awesome issue #6 one above....
Come on Dark Horse..throw us a bone here ;)
Wait, so we're at issue #6 and the Aliens still haven't broken free of their masters' control and actually done something useful?
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--
Nice covers, though.
I just wonder why do humans need any help and the element of surprise if they could nuke them from orbit...
The bad preds seem to be able to shoot drop ships out of the sky, so its not a stretch that they have some defense against a human nuke strike possibly.
Meh. I guess.
Okay, I was just guessing because the main ship is still floating in space, so killers didn't bother with it.
Covers are awesome, if only the artwork of the comics themselves had similar quality.
heres #6 cover art for the series
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-117/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-6
Yea these last issues better have a huge, all out 3-way war. The Aliens should break free of the Killers and just start killing left and right. Because so far this series has been mediocore at best the only reason I'm still picking up issues is just because its Aliens and Predators and the covers are amazing.
I'm lovin these series Issue #4 was good in my opinion. keep up the good work Darkhorse.
Issue #4 was pretty good. Finally some good action and hopefully a set up for even bigger battles. Artwork wise: The humans and veichles look good, the Predators range from ok to bad, and the Aliens still just look terrible.
8/10, probably the best issue so far.
Hoooooooollllllyyyy f***biscuits #6 cover. Absolutely gorgeous.
And yes, Scorpio, I do believe DH is planning on releasing a set of prints of Swanland's covers post-TWW.
If you ask me, I think the storyline in AvP: TWW is definitely the last hurrah in a twenty year old mythos, namely the AvP mythos. And it's definitely a last hurrah which will end with a bang to remember.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 26, 2010, 05:27:51 AM
If you ask me, I think the storyline in AvP: TWW is definitely the last hurrah in a twenty year old mythos, namely the AvP mythos. And it's definitely a last hurrah which will end with a bang to remember.
-Rakai'Thwei
You think this will be the last AvP series? I seriously doubt it.
read Issue 4.
Wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. There is a part of me that likes this huge lord of the rings battle, but having to sacrifice the deadliness of both Aliens and Predators (especially the Aliens, as usual) and making them both easily killable is never something I can truly accept.
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on May 30, 2010, 02:26:23 AM
You think this will be the last AvP series? I seriously doubt it.
If you ask me, yes, considering the Predator reboot and the Alien prequel in the works.. yes.
At least before a new mythos comes out that has no connections to the old one.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 30, 2010, 04:20:26 AM
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on May 30, 2010, 02:26:23 AM
You think this will be the last AvP series? I seriously doubt it.
If you ask me, yes, considering the Predator reboot and the Alien prequel in the works.. yes.
At least before a new mythos comes out that has no connections to the old one.
Movies might be affected,I'm sure AvP will still reincarnate in the comics and games media.
Quote from: XenoVC on May 30, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
Movies might be affected,I'm sure AvP will still reincarnate in the comics and games media.
Yeah, I've been hearing some crazy rumors about the movies... I'm going to post up a thread in the AvP movie section about that.
As for AvP reincarnating to the comics and games.. what chance can we expect Super Predators in AvP media? Hell, where would they fit in?
-Rakai'Thwei
I've been keeping pace with the stories recently, and figure I'd give my opinion since I've been away awhile without anyone missing me at all. ;) I can just imagine everyone rolling their eyes at my dreaded return! :D
To be honest, when I first heard that they were bringing back Machiko I thought 'What the heck? C'mon, she's had her time, you're beating her character into a pulp! Just because her character was good in the earlier ones doesn't mean its going to be good hear.' To sum up the general thought, I believed this would crash immediately after take off.
But I've been pleasantly surprised at what I've seen.
But first, I'll just mention my petty grievances.
It still irks me that Dark Horse once more makes the marines stereotypical, knuckle-dragging cavemen that can't think farther than they can jump. Like the introduction to Private Cans, him getting his butt handed to him by a gal with a thorn. I know it was meant to show just how bad-a she is, but it simultaneously misinterprets what soldiers are like. Then later in issue two they make him look like he's always on a short fuse, almost killing a guy over a minor criticism. Really? You can't go one comic without trying to make a stereotype like that? It irritates me...
Yeah, thats about it for the downsides...
I myself find the new plot a breath of fresh air from all the other plots. We get a new sense of purpose, a bigger scale, and they aren't trying to cram it all into only 4 issues.
Although, I think it would be pretty smart to have the series ongoing, like a comic version of a show. That way you don't need a super dramatic ending and such all crammed into a small time frame. It also allows us to work with the same characters and get to know them better. Not every issue has to be a blood-pumping near-apocolyptic warzone. Sometimes a bit of relaxation and pacing is good.
Anywho, as for the art I find it tolerable, but not to my taste. It could always be worse, but I prefer styles that are more robust and have more clarity, rather than those that try to look like Japanese manga. In the old style, like the very first AvP comic, detail was everywhere! The amount of detail was staggering, but in more of the recent ones lack detail and blur everything together. Just doesn't have an in-depth feel to it, but thats just me.
As for the 'Killers', I feel like it was a good addition. It makes Yautja culture seem more realistic and vast. We never got any real history from them, but now we've had the first view of internal conflict! Before we never thought about what would happen if they didn't get along, or if they had different points of view on killing. Well, now we know! I know there was a tidbit in Bad Blood, but I'm not positive its the same thing. But you get the idea. Apperently, the Yautja aren't all the same! Like humans, they apperently have different culture spots with different:
A. Attire. Most of the predators we've seen have looked very similar. I'm not saying their stuff was all the same, they weren't, but there wasn't a huge amount of diversity. Now we see a MAJOR difference in armor style!
B. A different attitude. We get a different clan, we get a different point of view and such. Who'd of thunk? Predators don't agree on everything!
C. Different equipment. As we've seen for millenia, different peoples in different regions come up with all kinds of interesting and unique items and technology that remain rather unique due to their ingenuity.
To sum it up, having a rivaling clan makes the Yautja seem more real and have more depth, rather than a species thats had the same ethic, technology, and political stance for millenia and focus on all the same things all the time. We now have diversity! This opens up a lot of new doors for other stories and ideas for Yautja culture. I love it!
Thus far I haven't detected any glaring plot holes, but its entirely possible that I missed some, so I'm not going to say the plot is rock solid and infalible. But so far, its interesting and keeps you a bit more on edge! How are the 'Killers' controlling the aliens? Why did they attack the human colony? Where did their ship come from? Are there more of their own? What is their mission?
Of course, if a lot of these are unanswered then I will be understandably pissed, having been considerably let down after having been led to believe the story would be stellar.
Anywhat, I look forward to the rest of the series and will attempt to find plot holes to satiate my need to feel smart. ;)
Reading the first one as we speak :)
...So when does issue five come out...?
I asked my comic book guy and he said that Dark Horse had delayed issue five... :-\
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 30, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
...So when does issue five come out...?
I asked my comic book guy and he said that Dark Horse had delayed issue five... :-\
-Rakai'Thwei
July 28, 2010
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Upcoming
Quote from: 369 on Jun 30, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
July 28, 2010
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Upcoming
Thank you.
-Rakai'Thwei
Finally picked this series up and have to say, I'm enjoying it. The art is only so-so, but the story is interesting. Some part of me wants to connect the "Killers" and BSP's. ???
When I first saw it at my local comic book store, it was a pleasant surprise. It was about time that Dark Horse continued the AVP stories. It's been a good read so far.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/16-116
Preview is up for #5.
Issue 5 should be out today.
Issue 5 kept up the same level of storytelling quality as the others. This is shaping to, on the whole, be up there with the best AVP stories. Say what you will about how respectful Stradley is of the creatures, he can tell one heck of a space yarn.
Don't know how they're going to satisfactorily wrap everything up in just one issue though.
I've been noticing some interesting things about the Aliens throughout the past few issues. Throughout the months leading up to the launch of the Aliens miniseries (More Than Human), Dark Horse kept making a big deal about how the reason behind the aliens' mandibles in this new incarnation was this big secret, and was going to play into what happened in the EU in upcoming stories. But then they inexplicably stopped having mandibles at all throughout issue 3 and (IIRC) parts of issue 4. Now that
Spoiler
we've seen the Hunter Preds getting facehugged
, they seem to now have four mandibles, arranged in Predator fashion, as opposed to the two they've had since May 09.
Just an observation.
I thought Issue 5 was supposed to delve into the Aliens a bit more?
Nope. They had a grand total of, like, 1 panel, not counting 'huggers.
Bummer. Am still looking forward to it though. Am really enjoying this series.
Good series' so far, liked the
Spoiler
scene in the swap w/ the marines wich was also the only apperance of the aliens in this issue.
Interested to see how it ends, now if only they can make an avp movie like this instead of this earth shit.
do yo know where i can downñload it i live in mexico so i cant buy it
Nope.
You could try torrents or something, though. But even if we know, we're not allowed to direct you.
Also, I wouldn't want to see this story ever. Domesticated Aliens are lame as all hell and a complete violation of their terror potential. It would suck as a game, it would suck as a film and frankly the Aliens seem absolutely superfluous to the plot of this comic, so it does suck as a comic concept as well.
Alex, you're just biased against anything that doesn't show a lone Alien eating or impregnating ever f***er in the universe one at a time.
That being said, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
Quote from: wolfvanguard50 on Jul 29, 2010, 04:38:19 PM
do yo know where i can downñload it i live in mexico so i cant buy it
There are plenty of places online you can buy it - even in Mexico. Support the people that created the comic, and respect them by not stealing their work, please.
Indeed. Please don't ask for illegal downloads on this forum. You will be banned. Buy it online.
I'll be picking mine up in a few hours at dinner. :)
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Jul 30, 2010, 01:10:17 AM
Alex, you're just biased against anything that doesn't show a lone Alien eating or impregnating ever f***er in the universe one at a time.
I liked
Aliens. And for what it's worth, I think
Resurrection is a fun watch. So is the first AvP.
The issue arises when the Aliens aren't given a chance to be a threat. Audiences catch on. And it's been over 20 years of comics pulling the same bullshit over and over and over again.
Aliens don't have to be invincible defeaters of all, but they
do have to be presented as a threat through more than an informed attribute. You can't say say Aliens are balls-out powerful and then have them slaughtered or dominated wholesale throughout the vast majority of everything ever. It just does not work that way.
Take the AvP2010 game. The Aliens are well-powered. I think the Predators are
overpowered, but I don't think the Aliens themselves are done much discredit, and that discredit is mostly to do with the limitations of AI technology. They ruthlessly kick ass (except against the player character, where they attack one-at-a-time), have high amounts of health and deal
very significant damage, all the while engaging in team tactics, having extreme agility and blending perfectly with the dark.
Awesome and pretty true to what an Alien should be? Yes. Gameplay-breakingly dominating? No.
The point isn't Aliens getting defeated -- it's Aliens doing nothing in the meantime and therefore producing none of the tension the source material characterised them with.
By all means, blow all the Aliens sky high.
I can completely agree there. Couldn't have put it any better. The Aliens are constantly poorly treated throughout the comic series. As sad as it is, I've kinda come to accept it for certain comics and from certain writers.
Don't get me wrong. I'm thoroughly enjoying this series. I just picked up #5 and I'm still loving the story. It's shaping up to be one of my favorite AvP comics.
My only hope is Sharpe & Fast Track to Heaven offer the return to formidability.
While I'm not a big fan of the xenos (As evidenced by the fact that I own almost every Aliens comic out there ;D ) I do see the point and must admit, I didn't pick it out before. I was way too busy focusing on other things. Good catch. I'm now starting to wonder where the xenos are hiding in the meantime when not being used as cannon fodder...
Which reminds me, I LOVED the representation of the xenos in Judge Dredd vs Aliens, my favorite crossover! ;) Even a single one was a complete menace, quickly cutting down Judge numbers and demonstrating just how devastating they are. Then the horde comes right under them... Anyone else a fan of that particular story?
In the very first AvP movie, there was a good balance of the threats. Aliens at first, although the colonists didn't know it, oblivious to the fact that they're already within their borders... But they assume off the bat, right so, that the Yautja are a major threat to the entirety of the colony. And when they think things can't get worse... They get worse! Xenos EVERYWHERE!
Issue 5 is actually the best yet in this Three World War!
It begins to have a good plot!
Yeah, definately getting really interesting now.
I'm hoping for
Spoiler
Predaliens
I havent read these nor do i believe i will but
Quote from: Svarog on Aug 03, 2010, 08:13:41 PM
Issue 5 is actually the best yet in this Three World War!
It begins to have a good plot!
It took it 5 of its 6 issues to
begin to have a good plot?!?
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Aug 05, 2010, 03:46:46 AM
I havent read these nor do i believe i will but
Quote from: Svarog on Aug 03, 2010, 08:13:41 PM
Issue 5 is actually the best yet in this Three World War!
It begins to have a good plot!
It took it 5 of its 6 issues to begin to have a good plot?!?
That's his opinion.
I think it's been really good so far.
But yeah, this issue is the best so far.
Oh. Ok I thought there was no plot up until that point. That would suck...
No, there's been a plot. An epic plot building up and building up. I can't wait for the conclusion. But I am, once again, worried about how they're gonna tie up the end of the series.
I have some questions, since this species AvP comics is a sequel to Aliens (More Than Human), what can I expect from this.
The store where I usually buy my comics do not have the comics, but was thinking of buying the complete package.
But I have some doubts and questions about history so I will ask questions with sploier and I hope that answers may be, answered with sploier not to annoy any fan who has not read the comics.
Now my questions:
Spoiler
1) The character of this comic, also suffer from bouts of madness or visions, as the comic before?
2) The character Sereda is back? Same with final aspect of the comic or Anterio back to initial appearance?
3) The art of the comic cartoon continues to be a good way or bad way?
4) The appearance of the Alien and Predators' motivation Hisham, continues to be a mystery?
5) The last question, I fear would ask:
Mr. Domino is still bothering with Zach Howard?
Quote from: Ryu on Aug 05, 2010, 08:26:23 PM
Spoiler
1) The character of this comic, also suffer from bouts of madness or visions, as the comic before?
2) The character Sereda is back? Same with final aspect of the comic or Anterio back to initial appearance?
3) The art of the comic cartoon continues to be a good way or bad way?
4) The appearance of the Alien and Predators' motivation Hisham, continues to be a mystery?
5) The last question, I fear would ask:
Mr. Domino is still bothering with Zach Howard?
Spoiler
1) nope
2) A Sereda is back. I'm starting to think that the Sereda in Three World War is a different synthetic (possibly from the same series) that is named Sereda, as he looks and acts quite different from the Sereda in More Than Human.
3) The art is, sadly, the weakest part of this series. Rick Leonardi has proven in the past that he can, in fact, draw Aliens, and draw them quite well (see Dark Horse Presents # 140), but his once-scrisp and somewhat Mark Nelson-esque style has somehow evolved (or perhaps devolved) over the years into what looks to these eyes like a scribbly mess.
4) More or less. The Predators motivation seems fairly clear-cut in this story, but only because for once it coincides with the goals of the humans, and the aliens, while certainly less formidable, retain some vestige of their mystery.
5) Mr. Domino never bothered with Zach Howard, he just got publicly Christian Bale'd by him. I've moved on and so should we all, however it is worth noting (as I have elsewhere in this thread) that the matter of the mandibles seems to be a bit of a shifting sands affair within Three World War, and the 'big secret' that was promised seems to have become nothing more than a missed opportunity and a bit of fan frustration.
Hope that answers your questions.
Personally i think this comic series needs more action..
I'm still curious as to how Sereda went from white to black within the series too. I think he was wasted somewhat.
The artwork, though. I hated it at first but as the series has gone on, I'm starting to like it. It fits with the tone and busy-busy feel of the comic.
Haven't read TWW yet, but I got the impression from the Aliens series that Sereda was hispanic/middle eastern. Not sure of the origins of the name.
I myself am sad that this particular series is ending. Its had a lovely combination of plot building and action, none of it wasted. Every fight had a purpose, nothing was just bland, worthless combat, y'know what I mean?
I'd actually love it if the war continued, instead of bottling up the whole series in six issues. They could let this go on to like 20 issues if they keep it up! Have some setbacks, some victories, mysteries to solve. Make it seem like a real war rather than a narrow campaign, know what I mean? They could make this one of the best AvP stories since its first inception if they play it right!
Just read issue 5 today.
I'm still digging the series on the whole, but I'm still not a huge fan of the art. All the Predators for each faction look the same and I think it would have been a lot more visually interesting if they were actually unique and not just generic. Similarly, a lot of the human characters look the same and it's hard to tell who is who without the dialogue, which is a bad sign.
Heck, the part where Machiko is sleeping with someone and talking about how they didn't have to come along, I didn't realize that that was Ellis until I re-read that page a couple times.
Seriously the art just feels sloppy to me, like the artist doesn't really give a shit. Machiko's forehead tattoo changes size and detail from one panel to the next.
Wait.....Machiko slept with Ellis :o?
I give up im not buying these things. I dont think i have as much tollerance as you guys.
I think she did. Like I said, the art and dialogue doesn't make it very clear. :P
Its still a really bad thought.... :-\
Heh, one of those comments almost made me laugh out loud. ;)
I'm not sure they were sleeping like thaaaaat together... Machiko still had her shirt on. Trust me, I checked. ;)
But yeah, I greatly dislike the artstyle here myself. I think they tried to give it an anime look to it, which just doesn't strike my fancy. How would I like to see it? I would LOVE to see the same style used in Aliens Labrynth. The style used in there was brimming with detail and distinction. As was the beginning of Aliens Colonial Marines, Aliens Berserker and AvP Prey.
Heck, they could make a lot more money just remaking this comic series in that art form! It saves up on making up a new plot, eh? :D
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 08, 2010, 05:34:56 AM
Just read issue 5 today.
I'm still digging the series on the whole, but I'm still not a huge fan of the art. All the Predators for each faction look the same and I think it would have been a lot more visually interesting if they were actually unique and not just generic. Similarly, a lot of the human characters look the same and it's hard to tell who is who without the dialogue, which is a bad sign.
Heck, the part where Machiko is sleeping with someone and talking about how they didn't have to come along, I didn't realize that that was Ellis until I re-read that page a couple times.
Seriously the art just feels sloppy to me, like the artist doesn't really give a shit. Machiko's forehead tattoo changes size and detail from one panel to the next.
I agree with all that but still find myself loving the series.
2 more weeks and the series concludes. I've got to say I'm really looking forward to it. I've thoroughly enjoyed this series.
I've always been under the impression that Machiko and Ellis are involved in a romantic relationship. There's been several scenes throughout the series that seem to imply that.
And I'm confused by why that would be such a big deal anyway? They've been in each others company since the end of the AVP War series, which for them has been 10 years. It seems natural to me that during those years they could have fallen in love with each other.
As a side note, I'm also sad to see this series ending because it doesn't look like we have any new Aliens stuff coming in the near future, aside from Fast Track To Heaven which keeps being pushed farther and farther back.
They've got stuff in the pipeline that'll be announced after 3WW is completed. I'll let you know when I do.
The love story I find kinda irritating for some reason. Maybe I just don't like a guy like Ellis with Machiko or something. :P
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a big age difference between the two? Like is Machiko 8 years older than Ellis? Maybe I'm reading into it to much. :P
I like the art. Even though it is not super well detailed it is still LIGHTYEARS above comics from 2000 and before. The coloring and inks are very clean.
when is the last issue coming out?
Today.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-117/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-6
Here's the preview.
I don't think it's out today... at least, not according to my comic shop's list of new stuff.
Spoiler
Queen causes anarchy.
Cool. I'm still underwhelmed and a disappointed with this series as whole though.
I'm the opposite. I expected to hate it but have been getting increasingly into it and more impressed.
My local didn't get#6 in with todays delivery. :-\ Gutted.
Spoiler
Haven't read it, didn't really intend to, but I'm disappointed that the Queen is still being used as a magical plot key macguffin, with all the Alien downgrading that seems to come with. Apparently nanomachines can live in something that has acidic innards. Okay.
Spoiler
What nanomachines? Also, if Predators can make acid-proof equipment, acid-proof nanomachines likely aren't that far-fetched.
Spoiler
Using the term "nanomachines" was creative interpretation on my part.
Thing is that we don't know the details concerning the Predator's acid-proofing. Is it a substance? Is it a treatment? If so, is it temporary or permanent? And is this all even consistent between clans?
Either way, though things as small as nanomachines would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible to make out of a substance otherwise used to make hard weapons. Treating them could be incredibly difficult, too, depending on the kind of treatment. And how on earth would you inject an Alien with them in any case? They've got incredibly tough skin and they're not just gonna sit there and let you jab 'em with something.
And if the nanomachines are part of the eggs, it means they're carried in the facehuggers and made part of the Alien's breeding process. Which would suggest some biological component. Which would make them completely vulnerable to the acid in any case. Not to mention that having the Alien be vulnerable to someone else' biological agent defeats the point in the first place.
Looks like issue #6 got bumped to next week:
http://www.previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=449&ai=0
I hope there's some news in the letter column for any future titles coming up...
So should have been out yesterday for US, today for UK. Anyone picked up a copy?
I have a copy waiting for me at my comic shop, I'll be picking it up today after work.
I'll be picking mine up after work. 2 hours.
EDIT: No announcements of future products. But like I've said, there are some coming and as soon as I'm told, I'll let you all know.
I would love to see some more AvP comics...
As long as they don't use any PREDATORS ideas like the preserve planet and Super Predator bullshit.
-Rakai'Thwei
Finished reading #1 to #6. It got wrapped up, wasn't too keen on the conclusion however. Didn't explain the different Aliens either. So that feels like a huge disappointment with all that build up - I'd guess whoever it was earlier who said they were Predaliens maybe right.
Anywho, I'll get a review done.
Yeah, that conclusion was a pretty big 'MEH' for me.
But, the last panel was pretty cool.
Its killing me a little bit inside. I'm out of the country at the moment, and have to wait till I'm back in the states in November before I can read it. Balls.
Quote from: Bender1988 on Sep 18, 2010, 10:41:32 AM
This comics series has only one good thing-the covers-simply beautifull pieces of art.
But the plot and the artwork inside are just a pile of miserable garbage.
One of the worst comics with Preds and Aliens if you ask me.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, kind sir.
It's not the worst AvP comic I've read.
But, considering Stradley's involvement, and the brilliance of the very first AvP story he created...I expected alot more from this.
Can someone tell me the end of the Three World War in a spoiler post?
Thanks ;)
Didn't mind the way this one ended. Overall, I enjoyed this series very much. I never minded the art for it either, although I won't say it comes anywhere close to the best art I've seen for the franchise. Also didn't mind the way Machiko's story wrapped up.
Now....if I could just get Dark Horse to release some nice quality posters of the covers from this series, with issue #6 at the top of that list.....sigh....
There was confirmation a while back (before TWW started) that we'd be getting a collection of prints of the covers from MTH, PttH, and TWW. Hopefully, that's still in the works.
Finally got to read #6.
.....meh.
I still don't like the art, it still feels sloppy and lazy. The ending felt rushed, as if the story could have gone on for another issue or two to really flesh things out.
I dunno. Definitely not my favorite AvP series or anything.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2010, 05:51:53 PM
Finally got to read #6.
.....meh.
I still don't like the art, it still feels sloppy and lazy. The ending felt rushed, as if the story could have gone on for another issue or two to really flesh things out.
I dunno. Definitely not my favorite AvP series or anything.
I agree.
That story had another couple of issues worth.
Such a build up...such a let down.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Sep 24, 2010, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2010, 05:51:53 PM
Finally got to read #6.
.....meh.
I still don't like the art, it still feels sloppy and lazy. The ending felt rushed, as if the story could have gone on for another issue or two to really flesh things out.
I dunno. Definitely not my favorite AvP series or anything.
I agree.
That story had another couple of issues worth.
Such a build up...such a let down.
I wouldn't call it a letdown, but the built it up a little too much. A very enjoyable arc overall though. But seriously, what's with Ellis and Machiko? Who saw that coming? :P
yeah, that's another one of the things that would have been handled better if the series was longer.
Hell, for a 6-issue series, it doesn't feel like a lot happened. Like, the original AvP series had a LOT happen over the course of its run, I can't really remember a whole lot of stuff from this new series.
The Ellis/Machiko thing didn't bother me in the least. He was a former Marine technician (........every Marine is a rifleman), and she was a space ninja. Now Space Ninja's are cooler than noncombat Marines, but it wasn't like Ellis was a total Puss. The guy let drill bits punch into his head so he could save Jess and Lara and commanded a walking battle tank against an army of Aliens, and then again against Aliens AND Preds.
Until I save the bitches with a walking battle tank, I'll leave Ellis alone.
Is it ever mentioned what happened to the other War survivors?
No, they don't get mentioned at all.
Not at all?
Weak.
At least when Ripley was missing from Aliens Book One and Two, they had a piece of dialogue along the lines of 'You know what happened to her'. Though Bishop was ignored just as inexplicably as the above.
Underwhelming in every sense.
Didn't care for machiko monologuing through six issues. The art did not appeal to me in the slightest. The whole story was hollow and had I had no real connection with anybody.
Pheromones was a SHITTY excuse for dog-liens, and the end i found myself hoping both Machiko and Ellis would get horribly mauled by the dog-liens or the bad predators, or both at the same time.
I did like the pred/human bro-ing with the APC and cowboy hat scene though. But thats about it.
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2010, 04:51:35 AM
Not at all?
Weak.
At least when Ripley was missing from Aliens Book One and Two, they had a piece of dialogue along the lines of 'You know what happened to her'. Though Bishop was ignored just as inexplicably as the above.
Yep, they never even get mentioned, it's pretty lame.
The Aliens didn't have a whole lot to do in the series, either. They show up and swarm things (and get drawn as a big sloppy mess) a few times but that's about it. I didn't mind the pheromones thing at all, it made enough sense to me. I just wish they'd done more with it other than say "oh hey we figured out how they're controlling the Aliens" and then bringing in a Queen at the last moment.
Gotta say the thing that stood out for me the most was how shitty the art was. I mean we've seen some bad art in the A/P/AvP comics, but
damn this was terrible. It's made even worse when you see some of the variant covers that the artist did for the series, and his covers were detailed and kicked ass, and then the interior art sucks donkey dick and just looks like the artist didn't give a f**k.
Edit-- I can't remember, does Sereda get saved by the end of the series? Like, last we heard he was captured and was transmitting to Machiko that she should get a Queen, and I don't know that they rescue him by the end.
We taalking Earth War bad?
I glanced over the first couple of issues and don't remember thinking it was especially bad.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 28, 2010, 06:45:04 AM
Gotta say the thing that stood out for me the most was how shitty the art was. I mean we've seen some bad art in the A/P/AvP comics, but damn this was terrible. It's made even worse when you see some of the variant covers that the artist did for the series, and his covers were detailed and kicked ass, and then the interior art sucks donkey dick and just looks like the artist didn't give a f**k.
If I would defend Leonardi ever, it would be here. It is hard to compare cover art to interiors for any artist. You just cant get the same quality in every panel that you can get when your doing a single image. I know from experience. :-[
But I still feel Leonardi was a terrible choice for this. Should've rehired Howard to do the pencils, he could do it.
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2010, 06:50:16 AM
We taalking Earth War bad?
I glanced over the first couple of issues and don't remember thinking it was especially bad.
Earth War's art, you could at least tell the characters apart, or tell what was going on.
When you need the dialogue to indicate who the characters are and what they're doing, rather than letting the art stand on its own, you're doing it wrong.
Also I can name several artists off the top of my head where their interior art matched the quality of their cover art. Pretty much anyone who has worked for Top Cow, but definitely Michael Turner, Stjepan Sejic, Randy Green, Eric Basaldua, Marc Silvestri, Andy Park, David Finch, and Brian Ching, just to name a few.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 28, 2010, 02:15:17 AM
Hell, for a 6-issue series, it doesn't feel like a lot happened. Like, the original AvP series had a LOT happen over the course of its run
By the sounds of it, the new series tried to do much. The first comic had a simple, contained story -- one major location, really only four major characters and a cast of notable extras -- which didn't need a lot of time to develop. It also did that wonderful thing of never raising any questions that it could leave hanging at the end. We know exactly what the go is from issue one, we aren't having revelations in issue three and four.
3 World War is the conclusion of Machiko's involvement with the Predators. It's her story, surrounded by an epic conflict to find the Killer's home planet. The artwork...the style really suited the action scenes but when nothing much is happening it really detracts from it.
As for Ellis. It's hinted at early in the series before it comes along.
I enjoyed it. 3/5, I feel. Not the worse but the artwork really draws it back.
Here's the reading order i'm using for 3 World War:
Aliens vs. Predator (1990) #0-4
AvP: Duel #1-2
Aliens: Berserker #1-4
AvP: War #0-4
AvP: Three World War #1-6
Am I missing any other side mini-series that feature the old characters?
???
Not that I can think of.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
3 World War is the conclusion of Machiko's involvement with the Predators. It's her story, surrounded by an epic conflict to find the Killer's home planet. The artwork...the style really suited the action scenes but when nothing much is happening it really detracts from it.
As for Ellis. It's hinted at early in the series before it comes along.
I enjoyed it. 3/5, I feel. Not the worse but the artwork really draws it back.
When? I remember when they first met Ellis was having a minor mental meltdown from the MAX suit. All in all, still enjoyed the series, hope they make another one soon.
As of #2, they seemed to be building up the relationship. Ellis seemed to be showing a lot of concern and care for Machiko which at the time I took for friendship. But re-reading and knowing where it was going, seemed like more than that.
I had been trying to get an interview with Stradley to go up alongside the review but it's like trying to email a brick-wall. So anyway, I've got impatient and decided to post up my review while its still semi-relevant.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 24, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
I had been trying to get an interview with Stradley to go up alongside the review but it's like trying to email a brick-wall. So anyway, I've got impatient and decided to post up my review while its still semi-relevant.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/
Randy Stradley don't like to make interviews. Quote from Chris Warner:
"
...and I know Randy would kill me if I asked him to do another AVP interview!"
*shrugs* He was supposed to have been expecting my contact.
I tried to get ahold of him to see if he'd do an intro for my Let's Play stuff, and he just totally ignored all my Emails. :(
Yeah, PR had supposed to informed him/got it approved. So far all my emails have been ignored. :-\
He posts pretty frequently on the Star Wars forums section of the Dark Horse site. Mostly on the same day of a new Star Wars comic release.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/16-745/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-TPB (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/16-745/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-TPB)
TPB is on the Dark Horse website
Quote from: dragonthingy on Jan 17, 2011, 08:26:06 AM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/16-745/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-TPB (http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/16-745/Aliens-vs-Predator-Three-World-War-TPB)
TPB is on the Dark Horse website
Nice, I'll be picking it up for sure.
I can't decide on 3WW, despite how excited I am to read a new AvP story. The Predator art looks kind of ridiculous, to me, but I think it's just the style.
On a lighter note, that conversation back in the '09 about Predators, tiny asian women, and Judo was GOLD. GOLD. I haven't read something that entertaining in years.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 23, 2011, 07:23:02 AM
The Predator art looks kind of ridiculous, to me, but I think it's just the style.
I think it has to do with the terrible computer inking they insist on putting on the new books. The comic art would have looked better if they printed the regular pencil art with word balloons.
It's like they just use the thickest sharpie markers they have to ink over the pencils:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Features/Making-of-a-Comic/1144/Making-of-a-Comic-Aliens-vs-Predator---Three-World-War (http://www.darkhorse.com/Features/Making-of-a-Comic/1144/Making-of-a-Comic-Aliens-vs-Predator---Three-World-War)
Probably gonna pick this up eventually. What's the general opinion on it?
I thought it was pretty much instantly forgettable.
I enjoyed it.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/)
Nothing special but a nice end of the Machiko and Randy Stradley involvement in AvP.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 24, 2011, 04:04:15 PM
I thought it was pretty much instantly forgettable.
Yep. Nice covers but a very weak AVP story. Not much to talk about really..
I thought the interior art was absolutely awful and inappropriate for the AvP universe
Covers were excellent as always
I don't like human-predator team-ups, I don't like the Machiko character, but I would have still liked the series a lot more if the art were better
I think Civilized Beasts is a lot better...
I think the art style really suits the battles but it really detracts from the panels where nothing is happening.
The TPB is already out. The original release date was June 29, the updated one is June 14. I just ordered it now.
I didn't completely agree with they ended Machiko's story.
Spoiler
At least she lived at the end. I can understand why she chose humanity over the Hunters,especially when you haven't been involved in a human conversation in over a year. That would get lonely. I would like to see her come back to Top Knot's tribe in a new series though :-\
I think she chose herself and direct human company as opposed to humanity in total. Remember, she'd been back with humans for sometime before 3WW.
I think what bothers me the most is:
Spoiler
Losing Broken Tusk's mark. Her getting that mark is my favorite story in the series, so when they burned over it, it was like leaving that part of her life behind. Like putting Dachande behind her forever :-\
I agree with AliceApocalypse.
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I liked the idea of Machiko having the mark as well; I wasn't very fond that she lost it at the end. Another thing, isn't it implied that Top Knot is dead? Machiko surmised that all the Preds on Bunda were killed. Also, I noticed that a lot of people mentioned that this doesn't reference Hunter's Planet. Is it possible that this occurred between War and Hunter's Planet? Does Hunter's Planet directly reference Machiko's mark?
I really didn't like these new Aliens/Predator/AVP stories. Actually, I lied; I kinda liked Aliens More Than Human, but the other 2 were horrible.
QuoteA long-lost Predator clan stakes its claim for galactic dominance, intent on exterminating its rival clan, the self-same trophy hunters who have plagued Earth's history. And if the advanced technology and military precision of this new threat weren't enough, they have an even more terrifying weapon--a horde of Aliens under their malefic control. Earthmen must now side with the warriors who have relentlessly hunted them, but is the enemy of my enemy my friend or just another enemy waiting for its turn to strike?
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 18, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
I agree with AliceApocalypse.
Spoiler
I liked the idea of Machiko having the mark as well; I wasn't very fond that she lost it at the end. Another thing, isn't it implied that Top Knot is dead? Machiko surmised that all the Preds on Bunda were killed. Also, I noticed that a lot of people mentioned that this doesn't reference Hunter's Planet. Is it possible that this occurred between War and Hunter's Planet? Does Hunter's Planet directly reference Machiko's mark?
I really didn't like these new Aliens/Predator/AVP stories. Actually, I lied; I kinda liked Aliens More Than Human, but the other 2 were horrible.
I really enjoyed A:M but 3WW was from the 4 issues I read, rather underwhelming. It didn't really feel like AVP, it felt more like Marines and Predators Vs. Predators.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jul 03, 2011, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 18, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
I agree with AliceApocalypse.
Spoiler
I liked the idea of Machiko having the mark as well; I wasn't very fond that she lost it at the end. Another thing, isn't it implied that Top Knot is dead? Machiko surmised that all the Preds on Bunda were killed. Also, I noticed that a lot of people mentioned that this doesn't reference Hunter's Planet. Is it possible that this occurred between War and Hunter's Planet? Does Hunter's Planet directly reference Machiko's mark?
I really didn't like these new Aliens/Predator/AVP stories. Actually, I lied; I kinda liked Aliens More Than Human, but the other 2 were horrible.
I really enjoyed A:M but 3WW was from the 4 issues I read, rather underwhelming. It didn't really feel like AVP, it felt more like Marines and Predators Vs. Predators.
There are very few things I find wrong with this book, but the things I do find wrong are really disappointing. The most glaring is the fact that the supporting characters do jack squat (why make new rednecks work for Machiko when you could have used Jess and Lara?), feeling like a twelve-issue series compressed into six. The most disappointing is that while it could have used
Aliens: More Than Human and
Predator: Prey to the Heavens to set-up these characters and themes, but largely ignored what they had told (most likely due to the the fact that John Arcudi wrote those books separately of Randy Stradley). I still really liked the story and art, which I know a lot of people didn't.
Spoiler
I liked how Machiko gave up her Predator mark, but I thought it could use better execution. At least the series is open-ended, meaning that future writers can tell stories about the Hunters and Killers in the future.
Still,
More Than Human and
Three World War are now among my favourite A/P/AvP stories ever told, and massive improvements over John Arcudi and Randy Stradley's last efforts,
Aliens: Alchemy and
Aliens vs Predator: War.
I really loved the original AvP series, and the sequel. I'm considering buying Three World War to finish of this 'trilogy', but I've read a few comments on Amazon that make me doubt.
What are people's opinion on Three World War?
Here's my review from 2010: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/
Quote from: Thomas H. on May 31, 2016, 07:13:24 PM
I really loved the original AvP series, and the sequel. I'm considering buying Three World War to finish of this 'trilogy', but I've read a few comments on Amazon that make me doubt.
What are people's opinion on Three World War?
General opinion is very negative here i think, mostly due to the silly and cartoony interior art.
I'm still going to buy it eventually myself, only because, like you, i've had AvP/AvP War a long time and I would like to see the end of Machiko's story. Also the cover art is amazing so I gotta get it for that too ;D
Thanks for the comments guys, and merging my topic with the excisting one. :D
I'll consider this, even if it's just for the sake of having the trilogy complete. I never knew there were so many Alien, Predator and AvP comics, so I'm going to take my time and find out what people like and dislike. I loved the Collected Fire And Stone series, and the two AvP TPBs I have now. So, let's see what else is out there.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 31, 2016, 07:34:22 PM
General opinion is very negative here i think, mostly due to the silly and cartoony interior art.
The art is like one step away from Saturday morning cartoon territory
I've always disagreed with that assessment. I don't think it worked throughout the entire series but I also don't think it was a complete write off. I think that the artwork suits the action sequences down to a tee. I think they look incredible and frantic and in motion. However, when nothing is happening it lacks detail and looks terrible.
I'll have to reserve judgement until I finally buy it.
But when I did see a preview of the interiors, the predator did look like a Saturday morning cartoon version.
There's a panel early on where it looks like a trace of a Kenner Predator figure. There's definitely some questionable artwork in there, no doubt about that. I truly think it really shines in the combat sequences though.
Bit the bullet and just ordered it. Mostly because I just want this 'trilogy' complete. :) Looking forward to reading it though, despite some negative comments.
You'll have to let us know what you think!
I shall. :) It should arive this weekend. Easy enough to finish it in one day, but I do have a busy weekend next week.
Can't wait to hear what you think, I'm gonna pick it up sometime soon as well.
I'll let you know in this thread.
Three World War always seems to be expensive, online and at local stores. I am trying to 100% my collection and the prices are always high. Anyone have an idea why? Did it not sell well? It could just be the places I am looking as well.
Only 11.99 at TFAW.com, thats not bad for a TPB
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2016, 08:33:11 PM
Only 11.99 at TFAW.com, thats not bad for a TPB
I meant the original comics, sorry I should have been more specific. 11.99 for the TPB is a great price, however.
If you're looking for individual issues, have you checked www.mycomicshop.com?
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2016, 08:33:11 PM
Only 11.99 at TFAW.com, thats not bad for a TPB
I meant the original comics, sorry I should have been more specific. 11.99 for the TPB is a great price, however.
I had to wait for a long time to find a copy of the issue #1 variant for under $15. And it was from an obscure comic trading site. Just out of curiosity are you looking to collect the variant too?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 06, 2016, 10:44:27 PM
If you're looking for individual issues, have you checked www.mycomicshop.com?
I love mycomicshop.com, I was going to purchase my missing issues for Three World War off of that website until I saw the prices, $4.50 for a VG+ 4.5 of issue 3? Yikes and that is the cheapest they have for issue 3. That seems high to me, I may have my best shot at comic conventions. It's not just that issue though, it's the entire Three World War series that has gone up in price. I have been trying to figure out what has caused the sudden spike over the last few years with this series, it must just be more limited then what I thought.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2016, 08:33:11 PM
Only 11.99 at TFAW.com, thats not bad for a TPB
I meant the original comics, sorry I should have been more specific. 11.99 for the TPB is a great price, however.
I had to wait for a long time to find a copy of the issue #1 variant for under $15. And it was from an obscure comic trading site. Just out of curiosity are you looking to collect the variant too?
I am trying my best to find that variant. I actually saw the #1 variant issue at a comic shop and it was autographed by the creators of the comic. I am still missing that issue.
Is that the Warner cover?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
Is that the Warner cover?
Are you asking about the Three World War variant? He didn't do that one, maybe you are thinking of the Predator: Life and Death variant. I know he did that.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
According to mycomicshop.com "Variant Cover by Rick Leonardi." The original number one issue had cover art by Raymond Swanland.
That's interesting because Rick Leonardi did the art for the entire series but not the covers. He only did the cover work for number 1 variant.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
Better than the interior
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
According to mycomicshop.com "Variant Cover by Rick Leonardi." The original number one issue had cover art by Raymond Swanland.
That's interesting because Rick Leonardi did the art for the entire series but not the covers. He only did the cover work for number 1 variant.
You are indeed, correct. My apologies.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
According to mycomicshop.com "Variant Cover by Rick Leonardi." The original number one issue had cover art by Raymond Swanland.
That's interesting because Rick Leonardi did the art for the entire series but not the covers. He only did the cover work for number 1 variant.
You are indeed, correct. My apologies.
No worries man.
Just finished reading AVP Third World War:
Pretty cool comic for the AVP line. But again I realize that Preds are not my cup of tea. For an Alien fan this one was ehhh.. Still, a much better read than the previous turd. I noticed our friend Sekeda was in it although barely any continuity from the More Than Human TPB besides a mention or too.
There was good continuity for Ellis and Machido from the previous AVP comics though. As for the poor bug aliens...life sucks in the AVP world, business as usual, just the regular running around crap with a Queen showing up in the end. Yipeee! They even come with the Zach mandibles. Not to mention they are radio controlled by the Preds now...woohooo another crappy idea.. At least the Alien drawings weren't as bad as the Predators...now that was nasty lol.
Story 7/10, Locations 8, Art 6, Alien design 5.5, Colors 8, Covers 9. Pretty Good for an AVP comic.
Ok, got this is two days ago, finished it just now. Read it in between things.
The Good.
When it comes to action, this comic has it. Plenty of it. There some funny, silly jokes in between. Dialogue-wise, it's not to shabby. And the actual plot itself, as flimsy as it is, isn't half bad. What I really loved, is the concept that Predator/Yautja culture isn't that simply. I mean, in scifi, we always asume that any alien culture is homogenous. And that's just silly. Look at the diverse cultures we have on our single planet. So, for the Predators to have several cultures with their own unique way of looking at the hunting and/or killing, is something I love. To me, for example, the 'Super-Predators' from the movie Predator are not some uberform of life, but simply a different culture, with some differences in appereance. This new offshot of Predator culture was pretty cool to see.
The Bad.
The art is definatly not as good as it could have been. Loved the color work, and as Corporal Hicks has stated, the art works very well during action. But it's simply lacking in detail. Quite a shame. The story felt less about Machiko and more about marines shooting stuff. Perhaps reading the novelisations of the previous comics will give me more insight into Machiko's inner workings, but I feel that (from the first comic featuring her to this) there isn't really much background to here being a potent fighter that is quite skilled. She seemed to already now what she was doing in the first AvP, and I would have loved some more background and was sort of hoping I was going to get in now. Oh well....
The Ugly.....
*sigh* Xenomorphs on a leash...... Ok. Also, suddenly, a Queen!! Not the one on the Predator ship, the one on Ryushi. Really. A Queen? Just like that? When the plot could really use something to have the Marines and Predators bond over? Sure....
So, all in all..... Definatly entertaining. Fun read, with so/so art. I'm glad I have this trilogy complete, but I found the ending not as satisfying as it could have been.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
According to mycomicshop.com "Variant Cover by Rick Leonardi." The original number one issue had cover art by Raymond Swanland.
That's interesting because Rick Leonardi did the art for the entire series but not the covers. He only did the cover work for number 1 variant.
You are indeed, correct. My apologies.
No worries man.
Interesting side-story - met Rick at a con a few years back (super nice guy). Talked about this series, and how unhappy he was with it, because the way they colored it just wasn'the right for his art at all - in particular, the #1 variant, which he hates the finished product on.
I was always real harsh on this book, but after talking to him about it and then going back, I can definitely see where a more flat, retro color palette (think like the original Norwood AVP series) would have really serbed the book a lot better than the shiny CG work we got, with all its gradations and fancy effects.
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This one? Pretty sure this one was done by Chris Warner.
According to mycomicshop.com "Variant Cover by Rick Leonardi." The original number one issue had cover art by Raymond Swanland.
That's interesting because Rick Leonardi did the art for the entire series but not the covers. He only did the cover work for number 1 variant.
You are indeed, correct. My apologies.
No worries man.
Interesting side-story - met Rick at a con a few years back (super nice guy). Talked about this series, and how unhappy he was with it, because the way they colored it just wasn'the right for his art at all - in particular, the #1 variant, which he hates the finished product on.
I was always real harsh on this book, but after talking to him about it and then going back, I can definitely see where a more flat, retro color palette (think like the original Norwood AVP series) would have really serbed the book a lot better than the shiny CG work we got, with all its gradations and fancy effects.
That's interesting. You don't always hear honest opinions from people who work on comics especially around the time of said comics release.
The variant for issue one would have fit more with what you are explaining, a throwback 90's style look. Never really thought about that. The variant cover for issue one seemed like a 'we need a variant to sell, lets put one together.' Even if they did a retro styled variant for the first issue I think that would have looked much better and probably would have grabbed not only Alien and Predator fans attentions but also Dark Horse fans in general. They see that and think about the original series.
I actually really enjoyed reading this story, I thought it was a satisfying conclusion to Machiko's arc. Though I wish there had been more of the Killers and some of the art was a tad off now and then.