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Posted by Immortan Jonesy
 - Apr 22, 2022, 04:45:27 PM
I guess the OP's question has been solved:

Alien Covenant Shower Scene - Extended Death
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
 - Apr 01, 2022, 10:45:57 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 29, 2021, 09:33:49 AM
I do appreciate your take there razeak, but I feel like Alien can be fairly described as "proper" sci-fi up until the chestburster scene where it irrevocably shifts gear. It's both.

I concur. Science Fiction to me can have strong horror elements, but you tend to get your breath taken away by the scenes of space, tech, architecture (like the Derelict interior with the Spacejockey).
Posted by Kradan
 - Dec 30, 2021, 07:21:07 AM
Neil Blomkamp, eat your heart out
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
 - Dec 29, 2021, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 29, 2021, 06:57:52 AM
Alien 3 is drama. On multiple levels

The Alien 3 of my dreams is even more dramatic:

An age-old vendetta between two powerful families erupts into bloodshed. A group of masked Morse risk further conflict by gatecrashing a Ripley party. A young lovesick Turk Morse falls instantly in love with Amanda Ripley², who is due to marry her father's choice, the Count of the Space Tree; A 9 foot bald albino from a far away lands. With the help of Amanda's syintetic nurse, the women arrange for the couple to marry the next day, but Turk's attempt to halt a wooden street fight with a penis-head monster, born of an elegant Borzoi, leads to the death of Amanda's own mullets-style cousin, Fifield³, for which Turk is banished. In a desperate attempt to be reunited with Turk, Amanda follows the Dwayne Hicks plot and fakes her own death. The message fails to reach Turk, and believing Amanda dead, he takes his life in her tomb. Amanda wakes to find Turk's corpse beside her and kills herself. The grieving family agree to end their feud.


In the post credits scene Ridley Scott appears smoking a cigar, while explaining why the traditional drama is cooked.

Posted by Stitch
 - Dec 29, 2021, 03:54:09 PM
Alien, as had been said countless times before, is a haunted house story in space. It's both horror and sci-fi.
Posted by Elmazalman
 - Dec 29, 2021, 11:50:15 AM
A near-perfect blend of sci-fi and horror. ALIEN was a natural.
Posted by SiL
 - Dec 29, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
Alien is a horror through and through, from the foreboding music of the opening score to the classic dark and stormy windswept landscapes of gothic horror to the overt violence of the second half.

But it's also thoroughly a science fiction movie; you could transpose the gist of it to a fantasy setting, but it leans heavily into its scifi trappings for important details and to build the sense of foreboding.

Feels kind of weird to even try to separate the two. It's scifi horror at its best.
Posted by [cancerblack]
 - Dec 29, 2021, 09:33:49 AM
I do appreciate your take there razeak, but I feel like Alien can be fairly described as "proper" sci-fi up until the chestburster scene where it irrevocably shifts gear. It's both.
Posted by Kradan
 - Dec 29, 2021, 06:57:52 AM
Alien 3 is drama. On multiple levels
Posted by razeak
 - Dec 29, 2021, 03:24:17 AM
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2021, 03:39:03 PM
I've never been a horror fan. I've never really been interested in Jason or Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger. The only reason I used to pick up the occasional Famous Monsters of Filmland was because I enjoyed the makeup effects side of things: the concepts and designs, the sculpting, the mould-making and casting, the painting and application of prosthetic pieces, etc.

For me, Alien '79's appeal has always been as science fiction. I don't class it as a horror film despite the fact that it has horrific elements to it—these things are merely the result of its science fictional premise. I feel the same way about The Thing and Predator.

OTOH, Event Horizon is the other way 'round; it IS a horror film, one that uses the trappings of science fiction to tell its story about supernatural biblical Hell. For this reason I don't have much interest in the film except for its technical craftsmanship.

The Exorcist, however, is a horror exception. I enjoy it because it's simply great filmmaking and great storytelling. Horror be damned.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre I've never sat down and actually watched, beginning to end. It has a certain credibility based purely on its historical notoriety, but that's about it. The same with Night of the Living Dead.

Horror per se, interests me not at all. But when the horror is there to flavour some other genre, notably science fiction, then it can work fantastically well.

Just my .02 cents.

TC

I think the science fiction in Alien is merely the wallpaper. I think it's a horror film through and through.  I also think that something like Jason is more of a slasher film with some horror trappings. The blending of genres and the debates are never ending though haha.  Alien Horror with sci fi elements, Aliens  Sci fi-Action-thriller with horror elements, Alien 3 Horror/Slasher/ ummmm.....fatalism? 
Posted by TC
 - Oct 28, 2021, 03:39:03 PM
I've never been a horror fan. I've never really been interested in Jason or Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger. The only reason I used to pick up the occasional Famous Monsters of Filmland was because I enjoyed the makeup effects side of things: the concepts and designs, the sculpting, the mould-making and casting, the painting and application of prosthetic pieces, etc.

For me, Alien '79's appeal has always been as science fiction. I don't class it as a horror film despite the fact that it has horrific elements to it—these things are merely the result of its science fictional premise. I feel the same way about The Thing and Predator.

OTOH, Event Horizon is the other way 'round; it IS a horror film, one that uses the trappings of science fiction to tell its story about supernatural biblical Hell. For this reason I don't have much interest in the film except for its technical craftsmanship.

The Exorcist, however, is a horror exception. I enjoy it because it's simply great filmmaking and great storytelling. Horror be damned.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre I've never sat down and actually watched, beginning to end. It has a certain credibility based purely on its historical notoriety, but that's about it. The same with Night of the Living Dead.

Horror per se, interests me not at all. But when the horror is there to flavour some other genre, notably science fiction, then it can work fantastically well.

Just my .02 cents.

TC
Posted by Elmazalman
 - Oct 28, 2021, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2021, 06:06:31 AM
Scott said he wanted to make it Texas Chainsaw Massacre in Space.

I think in that regard he failed spectacularly (there is none of TCM's manic energy in Alien) but he did scare the shit out of some peeps that's for sure.
Lambert's hysterics have nothing on Sally Hardesty's.  :D
Posted by SiL
 - Oct 28, 2021, 06:06:31 AM
Scott said he wanted to make it Texas Chainsaw Massacre in Space.

I think in that regard he failed spectacularly (there is none of TCM's manic energy in Alien) but he did scare the shit out of some peeps that's for sure.
Posted by Darwinsgirl
 - Oct 28, 2021, 05:23:01 AM

Ivor Powell introduced Ridley to "Texas Chain Saw Massacre" he was very impressed with the film. He had not seen many film's along that line.
Posted by nanison
 - Oct 28, 2021, 12:38:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 27, 2021, 07:51:37 PM
Quote from: nanison on Oct 27, 2021, 06:54:34 PM

I actually think Ridley Scott was inspired by Michael Myers. The movie shares the same type of dread and Myers just acts like the alien here.
That would be a bit difficult, since Alien wrapped filming four days before Halloween was released ;D

Lol oh dang! Anyway I still find there's similarities. Who knows maybe Ridley knew Carpenter well and picked some things up through chatting up lol
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