Don't think this have been posted before.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02/24/prometheus-rumours-unbound-how-the-alien-aliens-factor-in/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02/24/prometheus-rumours-unbound-how-the-alien-aliens-factor-in/)
I know I'm not the only person on the UK blogging and film writing scene to have heard these rumours, and we almost certainly heard them from the same or associated sources, but I've gone on to speak with another party. Despite this individual having to be rather careful about what they were saying, they certainly didn't quash the story.
So. Let's go with it. How does Ridley Scott's Prometheus fit into universe of the Alien films?
Quite simply: it has the Alien aliens in it. The catch, though, is that you might not recognise them – at least, not at first.
Remember how the alien took on canine qualities after gestating in a dog? You may even suppose that the first film's alien was so recognisably humanoid because it had grown in a human. The same applies here: generation by generation, the creature mutates. As Prometheus begins, the xenomorph is not too recognisable. Sure, it has that alien DNA that Scott and Fassbender teasingly referred to, but it's missing... well, it's missing human DNA. Or dog DNA.
All you have to do is imagine how it might look if it were to mix DNA with another alien species... and I think we're starting to work it all out.
I learned that the film's setting is, in part, a planet that has been terraformed to create the perfect environment in which a particular bioweapon would prosper. Terraformed deliberately to farm the weapon? I got no clear answer. Is this bioweapon the alien? I got no clear answer. While there was a lot of wheezing and coughing on my end of the phone, there was a good deal of quiet smirking on the other, it seems.
I did ask if the film is really going to be called Prometheus. The answer? "Maybe not. Though they are calling it that for a reason."
Sadly, I was not able to confirm the rumoured use of an 8-foot animatronic Space Jockey, but the way I was told "there's nothing we're calling a space jockey here" just led me to believe, perhaps erroneously, that it would be the same character, or at least species, but with a new name. On past information, that name would seem to be "The Engineer", but I may be getting ahead of myself to join those particular dots so readily when their sources aren't the same.
Anyway. The only thing I'm completely sure of here is that Prometheus does indeed take place in the same universe as Alien, and in this universe there's a big terraforming operation going on, somehow related to the classic Giger xenomorph.
i can dig it
as long as none of that was code for ant aliens
aliens without the human DNA? Interesting
Not humanoid aliens...
Maybe aliens like the...PredAlien? ;)
Quote from: Xerxész on Feb 24, 2011, 08:18:06 PMMaybe aliens like the...PredAlien? ;)
Not a snowballs chance in hell. :laugh:
So pretty much what Ridley's been saying since '79. That the original Alien looked like it did, because its predecessor had picked up the look from Jockeys. There you have it, folks. The Alien is a shapeshifting blob. All we need now is that PG-13 rating and we have a challenger for Barbapapa.
I have to say I really like the sounds of this. It all fits in with Ridley's comments about redesigning the Alien and I can honestly see it working. We've got Giger redesigning them. I'm feeling good.
I to have found the same news on comic book movie. Hopefully its true!
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Dustin03Comics/news/?a=30758 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Dustin03Comics/news/?a=30758)
Links back to the original article.
This film should have been called Paradox. Many contradictory reports that make this make no sense at all.
I'm really liking the sound of this,sounds interesting indeed,good news imo
Finally looks like questions are being answered! One possible remaining Q: Do we see the 'final' product that is the traditional Alien? I can't see Ridley repeating the chest-bursting scene of Alien again. Maybe we'll see the creature, but have to fill in the blanks of how it came to develop from the facehugger.
If this is true ::) It made my day :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
I have to say I really like the sounds of this. It all fits in with Ridley's comments about redesigning the Alien and I can honestly see it working. We've got Giger redesigning them. I'm feeling good.
indeed i want a cinema ticket right now hopefully it'll be an 18's none of this 15's crap got nothing against 15's rated films but alien and predator films should be confined to 18's/R ratings
Alien was re-released as a 15 for the Directors Cut.
I wonder if the film ends with the Jockey taking off in his Derelict from the bioweapon planet with the newly-developed bioweapons in tow and is 'shot down' to LV426 by the earthlings somehow, or one comes to escape and cause it. Maybe the Derelict was en route to Earth.
' Pure ' aliens, this makes sense, we NOW actually get to see the REAL deal, what we had seen from the previous movies were Aliens spawned from human DNA, so to see what thwy actually look like will deffinately be interesting.
I assume if the movie does well will see the next chapter, didn't Ridley say that this movie was supposed to be in two chapters? some one correct me if I'm wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmb0F00YPE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmb0F00YPE#)
The PURE alien? :D Now hopefully we can see the original nightmare for what it is at it's original form!
If this "pure" alien is two inches long and looks anything like an ant, I'm f**kin done.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 24, 2011, 10:32:10 PM
If this "pure" alien is two inches long and looks anything like an ant, I'm f**kin done.
Amen to that! SkyMovies did mention bigger ones though.
I'm so darn excited for this film. Originally I wanted them to steer clear of the Space Jockeys and the idea of a "Pure" alien but I take it all back, Prometheus is top of my must see list. Something tells me I'm going to love this film.
too good to be true.
I can dig it.
"Also, the source reveals that the movie may not be called Prometheus in the end after all.
I did ask if the film is really going to be called Prometheus. The answer? "Maybe not. Though they are calling it that for a reason."
^^^^^ Interesting!^^^^
but i think this is a prequel because this could be the space jockeys planet "their" terror forming planet and they are using the "pure" aliens to combine with humans to make bioweapons which are xenomorphs and it could actually end with the space jockey carrrying the eggs from its planet on the way to earth and make more xenomorphs but for some reason it ends up on LV-426 and crashes like we all see on A L I E N.
Quote from: Dual Blade on Feb 24, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
' Pure ' aliens, this makes sense, we NOW actually get to see the REAL deal, what we had seen from the previous movies were Aliens spawned from human DNA, so to see what thwy actually look like will deffinately be interesting.
unless they pick up their parasitic lifecycle halfway through the film there is no 'pure alien'
but i think this is a prequel because this could be the space jockeys planet "their" terror forming planet and they are using the "pure" aliens to combine with humans to make bioweapons which are xenomorphs and it could actually end with the space jockey carrrying the eggs from its planet on the way to earth and make more xenomorphs but for some reason it ends up on LV-426 and crashes like we all see on A L I E N.
Actually this would be I'm guess (so don't trust my word) but this could possibly be the ' other side ' story being told by another crew members. Ripley's story was herself and her experiences of the alien menace, this one is the core story so I believe THIS could be its own story and and NO ties with the Alien saga, at least thats what I think, I could be miles wrong.
P...R...O...M...E...T...H...E...U...S, 2012 PEOPLE!!!
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 24, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: Dual Blade on Feb 24, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
' Pure ' aliens, this makes sense, we NOW actually get to see the REAL deal, what we had seen from the previous movies were Aliens spawned from human DNA, so to see what thwy actually look like will deffinately be interesting.
unless they pick up their parasitic lifecycle halfway through the film there is no 'pure alien'
if the alien takes on characteristics of its host then there will not be any type of pure alien. The facehugger will be the purest form of the alien as from our understanding requires not host to form but a queen. BUT if the queen also works the same way as the alien and taken on characteristics of its host then surly its off spring wil be a mutation of the previous form. So there is no real PURE ALIEN form
dats what i said yo
This means CG aliens, doesn't it?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj241%2FRabbit2100%2F1296569887555.jpg&hash=119ecc9621f698e827b72072639410d699aec5dc)
FU#K ALL THIS FLIP FLOPPIN
I am literally dying for a clear answer from a solid source.
Quote from: Byohzrd on Feb 24, 2011, 11:41:17 PM
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/Rabbit2100/1296569887555.jpg
FU#K ALL THIS FLIP FLOPPIN
I am literally dying for a clear answer from a solid source.
well all we know that it is offical that it is in alien universe so thats the good thing! from Giger and fassbender and Noomi
Quote from: nendo on Feb 24, 2011, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 24, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: Dual Blade on Feb 24, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
' Pure ' aliens, this makes sense, we NOW actually get to see the REAL deal, what we had seen from the previous movies were Aliens spawned from human DNA, so to see what thwy actually look like will deffinately be interesting.
unless they pick up their parasitic lifecycle halfway through the film there is no 'pure alien'
if the alien takes on characteristics of its host then there will not be any type of pure alien. The facehugger will be the purest form of the alien as from our understanding requires not host to form but a queen. BUT if the queen also works the same way as the alien and taken on characteristics of its host then surly its off spring wil be a mutation of the previous form. So there is no real PURE ALIEN form
True, but didn't seeing as though the Queen Alien adopts the similar form of that of a human we MAY NOT actually have seen the true form, the face huggers are eggs from the queen, we may have not seen THEE actual eggs.
P...R...O...M...E...T...H...U...E...U...S
So xenos are probably gonna take the space Jockey form...
if they tie this in with AVP I'm gonna puke.
Predator brings xenos to hunt on earth.
Humans find out about xenos and predators.
Humans harvest xenos and bring them on another planet.
Xenos break free and kill everything.
Predators call up their buddies-Space Jockeys-so that they can save the day.
xenos break free and kills the space jockeys...
Quote from: FiveByFive on Feb 25, 2011, 12:12:25 AM
So xenos are probably gonna take the space Jockey form...
if they tie this in with AVP I'm gonna puke.
Predator brings xenos to hunt on earth.
Humans find out about xenos and predators.
Humans harvest xenos and bring them on another planet.
Xenos break free and kill everything.
Predators call up their buddies-Space Jockeys-so that they can save the day.
xenos break free and kills the space jockeys...
could happen you know.. predators have had contact with jockeys before... like the jockey face on avp 2 at the begging
not in this dojo
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 25, 2011, 12:30:05 AM
not in this dojo
Damn straight. Ridley isn't gonna let this 'Predator' business within light years of his movie.
Alien is Mozart.
Predator is Justin Bieber.
Can we drop this whole Justin Bieber thing? If it wasn't for everyone complaining about how famous he is, I wouldn't know who he is. Kid's got a nice voice, let him have his fifteen minutes.
Predator isn't too shabby either.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 25, 2011, 12:51:17 AM
Alien is Mozart. Predator is Justin Bieber.
What the...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDztrw_0N8M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDztrw_0N8M#ws)
Alien is Mozart.
Predator is Metallica.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeE1Y8S6jVc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeE1Y8S6jVc#)
Quote from: Mus on Feb 25, 2011, 01:02:32 AM
Can we drop this whole Justin Bieber thing? If it wasn't for everyone complaining about how famous he is, I wouldn't know who he is. Kid's got a nice voice, let him have his fifteen minutes.
Wasn't talking about vocals (Mozart didn't really sing), but rather, artistic merit. But you're right, maybe I was a little too harsh... let me fix it:
- Alien is Mozart
- Predator is, uh... Motley Crue
- Alien vs. Predator is Justin Bieber
Quote from: FiveByFive on Feb 25, 2011, 12:12:25 AM
So xenos are probably gonna take the space Jockey form...
if they tie this in with AVP I'm gonna puke.
Predator brings xenos to hunt on earth.
Humans find out about xenos and predators.
Humans harvest xenos and bring them on another planet.
Xenos break free and kill everything.
Predators call up their buddies-Space Jockeys-so that they can save the day.
xenos break free and kills the space jockeys...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfacewhen.com%2Fimages%2F350.jpg&hash=29d8e2c9622f69df5af55c0b4d7dee0cf231fcc5)
Well this will certainly be different! Can't wait to see how it looks!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 25, 2011, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: Mus on Feb 25, 2011, 01:02:32 AM
Can we drop this whole Justin Bieber thing? If it wasn't for everyone complaining about how famous he is, I wouldn't know who he is. Kid's got a nice voice, let him have his fifteen minutes.
Wasn't talking about vocals (Mozart didn't really sing), but rather, artistic merit.
Mozart wasn't a singer, Bieber isn't a songwriter. They aren't really applicable. Like comparing a race driver to the guy who designed the car. Architects and construction workers. Stomachs and anuses.
Which makes his jab at Predator an even graver offence.
The world runs on this: (Alien > Predator= true). It is a fact proven by scientists, and corroborated by tons of evidence ranging from Dinosaur fossils, to geological composition studies.
Now as for the topic, I like what I hear but there are too many conflicting reports. The only thing that it can be said is that It is in the same universe and perhaps a prequel.
Sounds like something I read on a website which... more or less coincides with this and nothing more. I have always believed that there was a Prototype version of the Xenomorph... But the idea of the creature changing and changing after every generation?
.....Nnnnyeeeeeeeh... I dunno what to think about this.
The idea of the prototype Xenomorph is... interesting, but we'll see how it plays out.
Who knows, it may look something like this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.serenadawn.com%2FAlien-Jockey-Mutation.JPG&hash=8bcb18c9052b709372a939d90f2370829c2f7661)
-Rakai'Thwei
we've already seen them changing. the aliens in resurrection are one generation removed from space jockey influence and look at the state of them, the fleshy c**ts
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 25, 2011, 03:14:35 AM
we've already seen them changing. the aliens in resurrection are one generation removed from space jockey influence and look at the state of them, the fleshy c**ts
Resurrection Aliens were the results of a genetic swap due the cloning process. This explained the human like traits which they inherited, and... was in-directly responsible for the creation of the newborn. This could also explain the brown tint, the slightly elevated intelligence in the drones, and the dexterity they had.
The legs.... well, I can't explain that. That just might be artistic interpretation.
But if we are seeing prototype Alien or "Pure" Aliens... where did the Queen reproduction method come from?
-Rakai'Thwei
probably nicked it, just as the human-from-human queen nicked ours
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 24, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: Dual Blade on Feb 24, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
' Pure ' aliens, this makes sense, we NOW actually get to see the REAL deal, what we had seen from the previous movies were Aliens spawned from human DNA, so to see what thwy actually look like will deffinately be interesting.
unless they pick up their parasitic lifecycle halfway through the film there is no 'pure alien'
If we see the very first Aliens before they start to breed then they would be 'pure alien' wouldn't they?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 03:20:19 AM
Where did the Queen reproduction method come from?
James Cameron
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 25, 2011, 04:57:15 AM
James Cameron
Thank you Captain Obvious!
....Why am I getting the odd feeling that Ridley didn't agree with Cameron's version of the reproduction method? Does anyone know what Ridley's thoughts are on that?
-Rakai'Thwei
This sounds like a mix to me of the Alien Harvest script and the Shadow 19 script. The former of which is pretty f**king terrible, and the latter of which is merely mediocre.
I'm MORE worried now.
So the original form of the alien will be some kind of bug or fleshy brown creature with a banana head?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 04:58:43 AM
....Why am I getting the odd feeling that Ridley didn't agree with Cameron's version of the reproduction method? Does anyone know what Ridley's thoughts are on that?
He really liked the Queen, and was a fan of the rest of Aliens. Not going to bother digging out a quote for you right now, try hitting up Valaquen's blog.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 25, 2011, 05:30:02 AM
He really liked the Queen, and was a fan of the rest of Aliens. Not going to bother digging out a quote for you right now, try hitting up Valaquen's blog.
Alright, I'll check that out.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 03:07:16 AM
Sounds like something I read on a website which... more or less coincides with this and nothing more. I have always believed that there was a Prototype version of the Xenomorph... But the idea of the creature changing and changing after every generation?
.....Nnnnyeeeeeeeh... I dunno what to think about this.
The idea of the prototype Xenomorph is... interesting, but we'll see how it plays out.
Who knows, it may look something like this:
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-Jockey-Mutation.JPG
-Rakai'Thwei
That's the exact painting I imagined when I read the part about the 'pure alien.' But I have a feeling that the fingers and ribcage will have to go as those are too close to 'human DNA.'
This new thing we're all in store for is going to be Lovecraft via Giger.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 03:20:19 AM
But if we are seeing prototype Alien or "Pure" Aliens... where did the Queen reproduction method come from?
-Rakai'Thwei
Xenos come from eggs as shown in Alien. Aliens also show this, there really isn't any problem as far as i can see.
"Pure" Alien, if anything, then states that the queen came from a human which i think we thought it this anyway, right?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 25, 2011, 05:06:21 AM
This sounds like a mix to me of the Alien Harvest script and the Shadow 19 script. The former of which is pretty f**king terrible, and the latter of which is merely mediocre.
I'm MORE worried now.
Glad somebody said it.
Pretty much a rehash of shit you knew 6 months ago. I should start a story up and see how much attention it gets... ;)
I hope this is a new opportunity to introduce some inhuman, outerwordly terrorizing menace that can work on a totally different level than we were used to, to put an entirely different spin on Alien creatures, something that would be as terrifying as egg-morphing idea and possibly even more, but not over-the-top. I hope it will be something very sinister, outerwordly and inhuman and not just gargantuan, gory and gruesome.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 03:07:16 AM
The idea of the prototype Xenomorph is... interesting, but we'll see how it plays out.
Who knows, it may look something like this:
Well, this one already inspired James Cameron with the design of the alien Queen
This new more primal look of alien is going be a Jockey xeno.
Sounds fascinating. Though still not mean 'pure' alien, I think (if there is one).
Three more cast member's join Scott's 'Prometheus' http://goo.gl/fb/Ni5F9 (http://goo.gl/fb/Ni5F9)
Ridley Scott talks Prometheus. Heavily guarding the script: http://bit.ly/hdqqQ8 (http://bit.ly/hdqqQ8)
"filming starts in three weeks at Pinewood Studios"
^^^^^
thats good to know! glad to here they are getting cracking on with it !
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Will we still see eggs and facehuggers though? That is one stage in the xeno life cycle that shouldn't change or is it??
Bri ;D
Maybe a "pure" alien (growing from the facehugger itself) would look like this:
if you cant see the image just click here http://img708.imageshack.us/i/alienspider.jpg/ (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/alienspider.jpg/)
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Actually, when i was a kid, i thought the xenomorph was a spider-like creature with many legs and arms...
;D
Quote from: Tribal on Feb 25, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
Maybe a "pure" alien (growing from the facehugger itself) would look like this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg708.imageshack.us%2Fimg708%2F5210%2Falienspider.jpg&hash=80599eae0c87cb324fdfc8841eaa1ad02fa6328f)
Actually, when i was a kid, i thought the xenomorph was a spider-like creature with many legs and arms...
;D
^
;D AWESOME!!!
Finally the franchise becomes serious...... ;)
I just hope that all this banter about it being / not being an alien film / remake is to throw us all off track. I magine going to the flicks and seeing a kick asre film u never expected.
( LIke Alien when 1ST released. 0 WE live in hope!
Three more cast member's join Scott's 'Prometheus' http://goo.gl/fb/Ni5F9 (http://goo.gl/fb/Ni5F9)
Ridley Scott talks Prometheus. Heavily guarding the script: http://bit.ly/hdqqQ8 (http://bit.ly/hdqqQ8)
"filming starts in three weeks at Pinewood Studios"
^^^^^
thats good to know! glad to here they are getting cracking on with it !
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http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/DamonLindelof
@alienpreqnews Michael Fassbender spills a few beans on Ridley Scott's 'Alien er,Prometheus'EXCLUSIVE: The Nerdverse ha http://bit.ly/fJ2Apz (http://bit.ly/fJ2Apz)
^^^^^^^^^^
"Prometheus isn't an Alien prequel is just a classic bit of misdirection. As an Alien fan, I for one would plotz if a year from now Scott held a news conference saying, 'I lied, it is an Alien prequel!' That's a marketing campaign money can't buy. And I'm still not convinced this isn't what's going on here."
So far Fassbender and Giger have confirmed that firstly ther is "a definite connecting vein" to the alien universe and Giger has also confirmed that prometheus does take part in the same universe as the Alien series. Then the bleeding cool leak went further to claim the alien aliens will be in it, but we may not recognise them, at least,not at first before going on to claim that prometheus does indeed take part in the same universe as alien. Now Scott has claimed that it is NOT a prequel and would say no more. EDIT - and now Fassbender joins the queue claiming it is NOT a prequel to Alien but confirms that it is definitely connected to the world of alien and that it doesn't ignore Alien, that the fans will recognize things in it.
This very recent info all points to the idea that Promethues may not be a prequel but probably will contain the aliens and the jockeys - therefore it will take part in the same universe for sure. It MAY be set before Alien, but probably won't end with the jockey travelling off to LV-426 or anything like that, or PERHAPS it will be set some other time, maybe even after alien, or at the same time? who knows? and is it really important? as long as it's set in the same universe and involves the Giger Alien species in it then I'm a happy man.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 25, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
So far Fassbender and Giger have confirmed that firstly ther is "a definite connecting vein" to the alien universe and Giger has also confirmed that prometheus does take part in the same universe as the Alien series. Then the bleeding cool leak went further to claim the alien aliens will be in it, but we may not recognise them, at least,not at first before going on to claim that prometheus does indeed take part in the same universe as alien. Now Scott has claimed that it is NOT a prequel and would say no more. EDIT - and now Fassbender joins the queue claiming it is NOT a prequel to Alien but confirms that it is definitely connected to the world of alien.
This very recent info all points to the idea that Promethues may not be a prequel but probably will contain the aliens and the jockeys - therefore it will take part in the same universe for sure. It MAY be set before Alien, but probably won't end with the jockey travelling off to LV-426 or anything like that, or PERHAPS it will be set some other time, maybe even after alien, or at the same time? who knows? and is it really important? as long as it's set in the same universe and involves the Giger Alien species in it then I'm a happy man.
Yes thats what i think unless scott is teasing us a little bit and might turn out to be a prequel who knows.. but i want to here from the man him self from a video etc.. i believe its in the Alien universe because we all saw fassbender even saying that in the video i just dnt really trust all of this info on websites
I feel the same, there is an awful lot of news 'leaking' from various different sources like for example sky and bleeding cool.
However I am quite confident that the movie will certainly be part of the same universe. I like the sound of the bleeding cool 'leak' and can honestly see the film taking that route. however at this point no one other that the folks involved with the movie knows 100% whether it is connected or not.
At the end of the day there is no real way of knowing for sure untill Scott says it's connected (which I highly doubt will happen) or untill a trailer is released (which, again probably won't give too much away :laugh: )
With filming supposedly starting in three weeks a teaser could be on the horizon in maybe about two months time
yeah we might even get a teaser soon! be great if we get one i dnt fancy waiting that long for a trailer like near the end of the year or w.e and bout skys sources they are always trust worthy because most of the things they say is true so i believe there is going to be jockeys and also believe that they said the Aliens could be "big" because that has come from other sources aswell like they are saying the xenomorphs are "pure" so they are different.
I do trust Sky and bleeding cools leaked pieces of news, but it would be so much more reassuring to hear it from scott. Fassbender's words are echoed by Giger aswell in the Blick newspaper interview where it says 'he does however confirm that Promotheus will take part in the same universe as the Alien series.' I suppose we can trust Giger and Fassbender. Giger never mentioned prequel. I honestly think the film could very well be set before Alien but just not tell a traditional prequel story (like star wars eps1-3) but focus on its own story (while still involving some form of the familiar giger alien species and the jockey)
This does kind of sound like what fassbender may have been alluding to, I think.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 25, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
I do trust Sky and bleeding cools leaked pieces of news, but it would be so much more reassuring to hear it from scott. Fassbender's words are echoed by Giger aswell in the Blick newspaper interview where it says 'he does however confirm that Promotheus will take part in the same universe as the Alien series.' I suppose we can trust Giger and Fassbender. Giger never mentioned prequel. I honestly think the film could very well be set before Alien but just not tell a traditional prequel story (like star wars eps1-3) but focus on its own story (while still involving some form of the familiar giger alien species and the jockey)
This does kind of sound like what fassbender may have been alluding to, I think.
yeah so basically its a spin off set before Alien if its all true what i think it is anyway :) any way any film directed by Scott is a masterpiece so im sure this will be epic! and im really looking forward to see how the jockeys live how the act to see if they are good or bad beings or they just like the predators on there own side.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 25, 2011, 05:30:02 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2011, 04:58:43 AM
....Why am I getting the odd feeling that Ridley didn't agree with Cameron's version of the reproduction method? Does anyone know what Ridley's thoughts are on that?
He really liked the Queen, and was a fan of the rest of Aliens. Not going to bother digging out a quote for you right now, try hitting up Valaquen's blog.
He said Aliens was a good action film but it wasn't the route he would have taken.
Boo hoo.
Disregarding AVP Requiem, from what we've seen, the queen looks the same regardless of host. Unless of course the queen is birthed and develops adaptively to the type of prey in the vicinity. Perhaps, depending on the xeno locality, even the facehuggers are different to make it easier for implantation on the prey that is most common. It would take a fairly decent sized facehugger to implant an embryo into a jockey I would imagine.
So basically if the common host is human, the queen lays eggs that hatch facehuggers that are designed best for impregnating a human or at least something of similar size. But that might even go back as far as to say that every genetic line of xenomorphs differs due to the original host..... Which we know, so that would make it impossible for there to be a "pure" form, unless the xenos are in fact "manufactured."
disregarding avp:r we've only seen queens burst from humans
Frist of all great post Federick Gonsa , you made me laught so hard.
My tought on the plot of the movie:
If i remember correctly , in Alien the spacejockey sended a waring message to others of the treath that was on the planet.
I don't know if that message was for there own race or evrey one, but if it was for evrey one then they arent in war with the humans.
Plus if the humans had meet the spacejockey before, they woud not be suprise by the jockey wen they saw it in the ship.
Quote from: Z on Feb 26, 2011, 05:16:15 PM
Frist of all great post Federick Gonsa , you made me laught so hard.
My tought on the plot of the movie:
If i remember correctly , in Alien the spacejockey sended a waring message to others of the treath that was on the planet.
I don't know if that message was for there own race or evrey one, but if it was for evrey one then they arent in war with the humans.
Plus if the humans had meet the spacejockey before, they woud not be suprise by the jockey wen they saw it in the ship.
lol sended... anyway.
but thats not true. Thats not true at all. Humans may of met the space jockies before. But whos to say it was a select few human or they even survived the encounter?
ur under the impression that if one person has met the space jockey then all of the human race will instantly know of their existance
Another bit from Twitter:
QuoteCineQ Quentin Brown
@_CorporalHicks Different style of ship in there, more rounded & organic, less rectangular. Navigator style alien ship?
He posted he'd seen some Prommy sets going up before so I asked him if he'd seen anything new.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 25, 2011, 02:30:15 AM
The world runs on this: (Alien > Predator= true). It is a fact proven by scientists, and corroborated by tons of evidence ranging from Dinosaur fossils, to geological composition studies.
I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
Of course any comparison of the alien to a predator is out of reasonable discussion. It is simply opinion to say one is better than the other. To me the idea of Alien transcends that of any other movie monster. The xenomorph is not just a monster, it is an idea, a theme, something which goes beyond a simple animal. The magic of alien to me is that it is nature and machine birthed into one form. It represents the perfection and precision of a machine fused with the mystery and adaptability of a biological entity. The idea was far ahead of it's time, bioengineering and inorganic incorporation into natural substances. As a species, we are unwrapping the ability to do what these space jockeys did in this movie. Bioremediation, phage therapy, biological introduction, transduction, genetic engineering, we are harnessing these things today to control our surroundings. The actions of the jockeys are a mirror into our own reflection in the future. The physical form of the alien is of little conscequence when you stop and think about what the alien is. Sure it's really neat and fun to watch on a screen but there is a larger message in the idea. You have to be careful about what you create and must be able to control it or things can go wrong.
Personally I'm glad the facts are being skewed and contradicted because it gives an air of mystery. You don't know what's going to happen or appear . The alien is like space itself; dark, mysterious, beautiful, but potentially terrifying beyond imagination. All of this because we simply don't know what's out there.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
Another bit from Twitter:
QuoteCineQ Quentin Brown
@_CorporalHicks Different style of ship in there, more rounded & organic, less rectangular. Navigator style alien ship?
He posted he'd seen some Prommy sets going up before so I asked him if he'd seen anything new.
sounds like the Derelict to me...
Nail on the head Koshmar...
There isn't a comparison. The alien is a 'perfect organism' and the original story wasn't about an evil space monster, rather, it was about the survival of both species. Why there is no comparison for me is because the predator was birthed as a giant action monster in a giant action picture. That's in no way a bad thing, but at the same time, its the difference between high science fiction and low science fiction.
Crossing the two was like Putting a tomato and an apple on a burger. Both are fruit, but not comparable.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 25, 2011, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 25, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
I do trust Sky and bleeding cools leaked pieces of news, but it would be so much more reassuring to hear it from scott. Fassbender's words are echoed by Giger aswell in the Blick newspaper interview where it says 'he does however confirm that Promotheus will take part in the same universe as the Alien series.' I suppose we can trust Giger and Fassbender. Giger never mentioned prequel. I honestly think the film could very well be set before Alien but just not tell a traditional prequel story (like star wars eps1-3) but focus on its own story (while still involving some form of the familiar giger alien species and the jockey)
This does kind of sound like what fassbender may have been alluding to, I think.
yeah so basically its a spin off set before Alien if its all true what i think it is anyway :) any way any film directed by Scott is a masterpiece so im sure this will be epic! and im really looking forward to see how the jockeys live how the act to see if they are good or bad beings or they just like the predators on there own side.
Sorrry bud had to stop by after reading this. No doubt about it old Ridles is a master of his class, but even the master doesn't always get it right... and clearly you haven't seen Robin Hood yet. If Prometheus turns out anything like this mess these boards will tell a different story I guarentee it.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 25, 2011, 11:20:33 PM
disregarding avp:r we've only seen queens burst from humans
AvPR didn't feature any Queen.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 01, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
Nail on the head Koshmar...
There isn't a comparison. The alien is a 'perfect organism' and the original story wasn't about an evil space monster, rather, it was about the survival of both species. Why there is no comparison for me is because the predator was birthed as a giant action monster in a giant action picture. That's in no way a bad thing, but at the same time, its the difference between high science fiction and low science fiction.
Crossing the two was like Putting a tomato and an apple on a burger. Both are fruit, but not comparable.
I hate false symbolism.
What false symbolism?
Alien was rife with imagery both sexual and otherworldly. It's perfectly reasonable to say that it was multifaceted and had depth. 'Cause that's true.
Predator doesn't really match up on those grounds. It does have symbolism and depth, but not to the degree that Alien does. But it was never designed to be that way. Predator was meant to start as a schlocky 80s action flick and end up as a horror story. It did that and did it well, no doubt.
Alien, in the same way, was designed to hit you right in the nads of your subconscious. It did that and did that well, which entailed greater depth and symbolism. That doesn't make Predator bad, or even objectively worse. It does make it significantly different, though. Different enough that, upon reflection, paring the Alien and the Predator seems to be really f**king bizarre.
Predator is simply to macho for the more subdued and believable Alien universe.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2011, 09:28:45 PMDifferent enough that, upon reflection, paring the Alien and the Predator seems to be really f**king bizarre.
Citizen Kane vs.
Rambo. :D
Sounds awesome to me, but, I hope that this doesn't lead to a huge plothole. If humans terraformed a planet, in order for a bioweapon to be developed, and that bioweapon turns out to be the Xenomorph, then, it'll make you wonder why everybody was so "unfamilar" with it the previous films. Not that they can't work around that, and make it work well -- but then it'd just feel like they were just making something random up to connect the dots (like the completely random "Have the protocol droid mind erased" in Star Wars Episode III). Hopefully Damon Lindelof has avoided any plotholes when writing the screenplay. Being a huge fan of his, I think I'll keep my trust in him.
Well hey, it's not like all Coca Cola employees know the secret recipe. Also, if I was some military type leader who manages to let loose a disease I've been working on, I'd deny everything and just try to contain it.
If I had to guess I'd say it was the jockey's trying to terraform, and the aliens they used to achieve such an end turned on them. Then the human crew sets down, investigates jockey ruins, understands how to terraform, then gets attacked by the prealien.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
If I had to guess I'd say it was the jockey's trying to terraform, and the aliens they used to achieve such an end turned on them. Then the human crew sets down, investigates jockey ruins, understands how to terraform, then gets attacked by the prealien.
I think you're right on the money here.
I'm interested in the "grand mythology and universe" quote. As a huge fan of both "mythology" and "universe" I think these two go hand-in-hand. It'll be interesting to see where Ridley goes with that.
Investigating the Jockey ruins sounds like it could be an incredible part of the film, if you're right. I can't wait for this film to start shooting, and we get some set photos.
Quotea few tidbits have leaked, namely that the plot centers on the flight crew of the "Prometheus," a massive spaceship commissioned by one of the remaining superpowers on Earth. That group includes Girl with the Dragon Tattoo star Noomi Rapace as Elizabeth Shaw, Charlize Theron as Vickers, and Michael Fassbender as (potentially) an android named David.
Their mission is to venture to the planet of Erix and prepare natural resources through a process called "terraforming," which makes the surface livable for humans. There, the crew encounters the xenomorphs, the alien creatures that have become iconic throughout the four installments of the franchise.
http://www.newsinfilm.com/2011/03/07/cast-updates-on-ridley-scotts-prometheus/ (http://www.newsinfilm.com/2011/03/07/cast-updates-on-ridley-scotts-prometheus/)
It's the Shadow 19 synopsis again.
Pretty much the same, except nobody was sent with the ship to Erix in Shadow 19. Perhaps it has been modified into an Alien script? Keeps getting mentioned. Shadow 19 was also optioned off to one of the studio's before the Harvest script was leaked.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
then gets attacked by the prealien.
I suppose I've been calling it the Prequalien. This kind of a naming is terrible I admit, but I suppose I've been using the predalien term since AVP:R
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like this big?
Well I mean, that whole thing's pretty ridiculous, but that tail, what the hell is up with it. It has to weigh more than the body.
that's how 'Gators work.
A croc's tail is powerful enough for it to push its entire upper and lower body out of the water.
Oh. It came from a space Gator. Of course.
Lucky Batman, got his alien repellent spray and all...
Was looking around the web and found this interesting article (12.05.2010) with an interview with Ridley Scott about Robin Hood where he is asked about his his next project (Prometheus) - 72 ist er. Kein Alter, um auf grosse Pläne zu verzichten. Der grösste: Alien, Teil 5. «Ich arbeite dran. Es wird schnell gehen.» Nach Hollywood-Zeitrechnung heisst das: Der Film wird in zwei Jahren rauskommen. Die Handlung? Eine Art «Zurück in die Zukunft». Lange bevor Sigourney Weaver es an Bord ihres Raumschiffs mit dem Alien aufnahm.
Sehr lange bevor. Scott orientiert sich an Erich von Däniken: «Der hat richtig geraten. Vor Millionen von Jahren hat es hier und woanders höherstehende Geschöpfe gegeben». Es ist eine Zeit, in der HR Gigers All-Monster noch nicht existiert. «Ich muss etwas Neues erschaffen.»
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72 he is. No age to give up big plans. The biggest: Alien, Part 5 "I am working on it. . It will go fast "After Hollywood era that means: The movie will come out in two years. The plot? A kind of "Back to the Future." Long before Sigourney Weaver was taking on board their space ship with the alien. Very long before. Scott is based on Erich von Daniken: "He has guessed right. Millions of years ago, there have been standing here and elsewhere more creatures. " It is a time when HR Giger's do not all monsters. "I have to create something new."
the interview is from blick.ch
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Mar 14, 2011, 12:03:51 PM
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72 he is. No age to give up big plans. The biggest: Alien, Part 5 "I am working on it. . It will go fast "After Hollywood era that means: The movie will come out in two years. The plot? A kind of "Back to the Future." Long before Sigourney Weaver was taking on board their space ship with the alien. Very long before. Scott is based on Erich von Daniken: "He has guessed right. Millions of years ago, there have been standing here and elsewhere more creatures. " It is a time when HR Giger's do not all monsters. "I have to create something new."
the interview is from blick.ch"
Thanks. That's very intriguing. I wonder if he is talking about Time Travel with the Back to the Future reference because the character Elizabeth Shaw in Doctor Who was an assistant to a time traveller.
Here's the actual link to the interview: http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/robin-hood-gabs-wirklich-146589 (http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/robin-hood-gabs-wirklich-146589)
Time travel doesn't need to be in the Alien movies AT ALL.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 14, 2011, 03:59:00 PM
Time travel doesn't need to be in the Alien movies AT ALL.
i'd almost imagine it might have to be in a Lindelof script
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 14, 2011, 03:59:00 PM
Time travel doesn't need to be in the Alien movies AT ALL.
Yes, please no time travel...
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Quote from: BonesawT101 on Mar 14, 2011, 12:03:51 PM
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72 he is. No age to give up big plans. The biggest: Alien, Part 5 "I am working on it. . It will go fast "After Hollywood era that means: The movie will come out in two years. The plot? A kind of "Back to the Future." Long before Sigourney Weaver was taking on board their space ship with the alien. Very long before. Scott is based on Erich von Daniken: "He has guessed right. Millions of years ago, there have been standing here and elsewhere more creatures. " It is a time when HR Giger's do not all monsters. "I have to create something new."
the interview is from blick.ch"
Thanks. That's very intriguing. I wonder if he is talking about Time Travel with the Back to the Future reference because the character Elizabeth Shaw in Doctor Who was an assistant to a time traveller.
Here's the actual link to the interview: http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/robin-hood-gabs-wirklich-146589 (http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/robin-hood-gabs-wirklich-146589)
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