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Title: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Inverse Effect on Nov 29, 2020, 10:55:08 PM
This should happen! Anyone else agree with me? Remake it from scratch basically upgraded graphics on UE5,

Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Kradan on Nov 29, 2020, 10:56:37 PM
Yeah, sure, why not. It's not like we get a lot new AvP stuff anyway
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Phobos on Nov 29, 2020, 11:04:40 PM
Remake it in the Source engine.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Sol on Nov 29, 2020, 11:39:33 PM
I'd want a full on remake. Like, a new game, same storyline/concept, but completely new execution. I don't want it to be dated by walking the same 1999 halls and corridors. That form of level design and accompanying game play mechanics are not what a modern interpretation of the game should be stifled with.

Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 02:50:25 AM
No, I would rather have them to remake Jaguar's AvP which they made with Atari hired people.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 02:54:22 AM
To bad that game came out on a junky console.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:01:02 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 02:50:25 AM
No, I would rather have them to remake Jaguar's AvP which they made with Atari hired people.

AVP (Jaguar) is a relic of the early FPS "Doom-clone" days. What from that game is unique, and hasn't been improved upon in latter AVP FPS titles?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 03:28:31 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:01:02 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 02:50:25 AM
No, I would rather have them to remake Jaguar's AvP which they made with Atari hired people.

AVP (Jaguar) is a relic of the early FPS "Doom-clone" days. What from that game is unique, and hasn't been improved upon in latter AVP FPS titles?

It seems that you do not have a clue what it really is. It is closer to Resident Evil (1996) than Doom (1993). Its open worldness, survival-horror aspects, atmosphere are not to be found in latter games. Did you play it in 1994/1995?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:39:00 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 03:28:31 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:01:02 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 02:50:25 AM
No, I would rather have them to remake Jaguar's AvP which they made with Atari hired people.

AVP (Jaguar) is a relic of the early FPS "Doom-clone" days. What from that game is unique, and hasn't been improved upon in latter AVP FPS titles?

It seems that you do not have a clue what it really is. It is closer to Resident Evil (1996) than Doom (1993). Its open worldness, survival-horror aspects, atmosphere are not to be found in latter games. Did you play it in 1994/1995?

There's nothing open world about AVP, OR Resident Evil. And AVP is nothing like the original RE, either.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 03:50:54 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:39:00 AM
There's nothing open world about AVP, OR Resident Evil. And AVP is nothing like the original RE, either.

Lol, you have not played it at all. Jaguar's AvP is an open world game, not structured by levels to progress further. And like in RE you have to tactically manage your resources, acquire access cards, find computer terminals, choose routes, etc. as the Marine. The Predator has to earn honor points to unlock better weaponry which it can loose also. And the Alien has to cocoon marines which are its life system. Also it has a seed system for spawning consumables and enemies.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 04:06:54 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 03:50:54 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 03:39:00 AM
There's nothing open world about AVP, OR Resident Evil. And AVP is nothing like the original RE, either.

Lol, you have not played it at all. Jaguar's AvP is an open world game, not structured by levels to progress further. And like in RE you have to tactically manage your resources, acquire access cards, find computer terminals, choose routes, etc. as the Marine. The Predator has to earn honor points to unlock better weaponry which it can loose also. And the Alien has to cocoon marines which are its life system. Also it has a seed system for spawning consumables and enemies.

None of that makes it an open world game. Like RE, which is also linear and not an open world game.

Grand Theft Auto is an Open World game. These games are not.

And for the record, I have played it. Decades ago. You just don't know what an Open World game is.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 04:21:19 AM
I think he means ''open world'' as in it's less linear than games like AVP classic.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 04:26:37 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 04:06:54 AM
None of that makes it an open world game. Like RE, which is also linear and not an open world game.

Grand Theft Auto is an Open World game. These games are not.

And for the record, I have played it. Decades ago. You just don't know what an Open World game is.

Lol, you do not know what an open world game is. Perhaps you mistake it with a sandbox game. And I am pretty sure you have not played it in 1994/1995. In Jag's AvP you have an access to the whole base and ships. It is not linear. Similar with RE but it is on a smaller scale.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 04:47:01 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 04:21:19 AM
I think he means ''open world'' as in it's less linear than games like AVP classic.

Are you sure? Lol
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 06:23:22 AM
I'd say it's more Metroid/Castlevania in that you can technically explore the whole station at your whim but access to certain areas is restricted and needs to be opened by finding appropriate keys. However there is no linear structure and it's possible to complete the game without accessing all areas. There's a single overarching goal and as many ways to complete that as you choose within reason.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 06:35:08 AM
I'd rather AvP2, but it's in eternal rights-limbo.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 07:00:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 06:23:22 AM
I'd say it's more Metroid/Castlevania in that you can technically explore the whole station at your whim but access to certain areas is restricted and needs to be opened by finding appropriate keys. However there is no linear structure and it's possible to complete the game without accessing all areas. There's a single overarching goal and as many ways to complete that as you choose within reason.

I can agree with that assessment. The main point however, is it's not open world. That is a specific description of a specific type of game. There needs to be more than non linear game progression to designate a game as 'open world'.

There isn't a single respectable place or group of people that would lable a mid 90s corridor shooter as an open world game. By nature, a corridor shooter cannot be an open world game, literally because there's nothing open about it to begin with.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Drukathi on Nov 30, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
I like high speed gameplay of AvP Gold.

AvP2 has a better plot, but hey - it a game - so the gameplay is more important. AvP Gold out of competition.

I've noticed that the speed decreases with every game.

AvP - FTL.
AvP2 - slow.
AvP2010 - slower than a snail.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 30, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
I like high speed gameplay of AvP Gold.

AvP2 has a better plot, but hey - it a game - so the gameplay is more important. AvP Gold out of competition.

I've noticed that the speed decreases with every game.

AvP - FTL.
AvP2 - slow.
AvP2010 - slower than a snail.

Single player's all I care about, so AvP2 gets my vote.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 07:00:32 AM
I can agree with that assessment. The main point however, is it's not open world. That is a specific description of a specific type of game. There needs to be more than non linear game progression to designate a game as 'open world'.

There isn't a single respectable place or group of people that would lable a mid 90s corridor shooter as an open world game. By nature, a corridor shooter cannot be an open world game, literally because there's nothing open about it to begin with.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world

Lol, it is not a corridor shooter and it fits an open world definition perfectly. The whole base with its airducts and space ships is available for you. The only thing you cannot do is explore outer space. It is the same with GTA games.

The problem you have is a scale of the game. Then compare your GTA games with No Man's Sky which makes them a joke.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Drukathi on Nov 30, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Single player's all I care about, so AvP2 gets my vote.

Who knows? CDProject/GOG-team work miracles. Perhaps one day they will pull AvP2 out of rights-hell. As far as I know they have already done this with BR and some other games.

p.s But WTF, doesn't all the rights ultimately belong to the ultimate owner of the franchise? Fox, Disney?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 07:00:32 AM
I can agree with that assessment. The main point however, is it's not open world. That is a specific description of a specific type of game. There needs to be more than non linear game progression to designate a game as 'open world'.

There isn't a single respectable place or group of people that would lable a mid 90s corridor shooter as an open world game. By nature, a corridor shooter cannot be an open world game, literally because there's nothing open about it to begin with.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world

Lol, it is not a corridor shooter and it fits an open world definition perfectly. The whole base with its airducts and space ships is available for you. The only thing you cannot do is explore outer space. It is the same with GTA games.

The problem you have is a scale of the game. Then compare your GTA games with No Man's Sky which makes them a joke.

You are literally the only person on the planet calling AVP on the Atari Jaguar, and Resident Evil (1996), open world.

You do know that, right?

Yea. You know what. You "win". LMFAO
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
You are literally the only person on the planet calling AVP on the Atari Jaguar, and Resident Evil (1996), open world.

You do know that, right?

Yea. You know what. You "win". LMFAO

Lol, wrong again. I stated that Jag's AvP is closer to RE than Doom in its gameplay loop but it is on a larger scale. And it is an open world game.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Sol on Nov 30, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
You are literally the only person on the planet calling AVP on the Atari Jaguar, and Resident Evil (1996), open world.

You do know that, right?

Yea. You know what. You "win". LMFAO

Lol, wrong again. I stated that Jag's AvP is closer to RE than Doom in its gameplay loop but it is on a larger scale. And it is an open world game.

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Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 11:37:01 AM
This thread got funny
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
molasar: Lol

Sol: Lololol
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: molasar on Nov 30, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NegativeSparklingAidi-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Closest thing we've got to a remake is the Redux and master effects mods.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Stitch on Dec 01, 2020, 09:08:13 AM
Do Rebellion still  have the rights?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Shugsi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 30, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
I like high speed gameplay of AvP Gold.

AvP2 has a better plot, but hey - it a game - so the gameplay is more important. AvP Gold out of competition.

I've noticed that the speed decreases with every game.

AvP - FTL.
AvP2 - slow.
AvP2010 - slower than a snail.

To compensate for the aging fans of each installment :P
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 01, 2020, 10:20:32 AM
So by the speed of that progression no AVP4 because everyone's dead?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: Shugsi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 01, 2020, 10:20:32 AM
So by the speed of that progression no AVP4 because everyone's dead?
:laugh:
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: S1L on Dec 01, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
To compensate for the aging fans of each installment :P

;D

Next AvP will be turn based. Like Gears Tactics.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Shugsi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: S1L on Dec 01, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
To compensate for the aging fans of each installment :P

;D

Next AvP will be turn based. Like Gears Tactics.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 03, 2020, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
molasar: Lol

Sol: Lololol

I think we've discovered AvPG's new comedy duo.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Sol on Dec 03, 2020, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 03, 2020, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
molasar: Lol

Sol: Lololol

I think we've discovered AvPG's new comedy duo.

You seem to be real focused on that exchange. Can I help you with something, sir?
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPG...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 03, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: S1L on Dec 01, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
To compensate for the aging fans of each installment :P

;D

Next AvP will be turn based. Like Gears Tactics.


You jest, but I play Alien/AvP tabletop which is, well, turn based already.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Inverse Effect on Dec 04, 2020, 02:16:44 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 01, 2020, 09:08:13 AM
Do Rebellion still  have the rights?

I would like to know this too. I tried AVP Gold Multiplayer back when you could find people (Not sure if that is the case now) But it was fun and frantic lol.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Phobos on Dec 04, 2020, 03:19:34 AM
There's groups on Steam that will announce games every now and then. They used to hold tournaments, not sure if they still do or not.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Stitch on Dec 04, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
I'm up for a game at some point. Haven't actually played it in ages.
Title: Re: Do you think Rebellion should remaster/remake AVPGold?
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 04, 2020, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 03, 2020, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 03, 2020, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
molasar: Lol

Sol: Lololol

I think we've discovered AvPG's new comedy duo.

You seem to be real focused on that exchange. Can I help you with something, sir?

Just keep up the good work.