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Posted by RidleyScott99
 - Jun 20, 2020, 05:11:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2020, 05:00:17 AM
Cameron was very hands on with the story of Terminator: Dark Fate and that was a very R-rated movie.
NOT Director. His last R rated as Director was 32 years ago. He makes huge family movies.
Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - Jun 16, 2020, 05:00:17 AM
Cameron was very hands on with the story of Terminator: Dark Fate and that was a very R-rated movie.
Posted by RidleyScott99
 - Jun 14, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
ALIENS was R rated. Cameron left R rated movies 32 years ago. His movies in the last 32 years are huge family movies. Like the MCU and Disney movies.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
 - May 21, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 21, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 21, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 19, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
James Cameron was the driving force behind the story in Dark Fate. All of the big decisions that so many people hated were his.

They had a team of writers, but regardless, if Cameron directed Dark Fate I'm certain it would have been much better than what it is.

But the things that people complained the most about - John's death - was a Cameron mandate. If I'm not mistaken, Carl's development after that was too.

Also, while there are about half a dozen credited writers on Dark Fate (and even more uncredited), more than half of them didn't actually touch Dark Fate's script. Most of them were part of the initial writers room, alongside Cameron and Tim Miller, that broke down the overall arc for the trilogy.

I know idea contributors like David Ellison, Tim Miller etc. were uncredited, but the credited ones who touched it:

Screenplay by

David S. Goyer
Justin Rhodes
Billy Ray

Story by

James Cameron
Charles H. Eglee
Josh Friedman
David S. Goyer
Justin Rhodes

Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - May 21, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 21, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 19, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
James Cameron was the driving force behind the story in Dark Fate. All of the big decisions that so many people hated were his.

They had a team of writers, but regardless, if Cameron directed Dark Fate I'm certain it would have been much better than what it is.

But the things that people complained the most about - John's death - was a Cameron mandate. If I'm not mistaken, Carl's development after that was too.

Also, while there are about half a dozen credited writers on Dark Fate (and even more uncredited), more than half of them didn't actually touch Dark Fate's script. Most of them were part of the initial writers room, alongside Cameron and Tim Miller, that broke down the overall arc for the trilogy.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
 - May 21, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 19, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
James Cameron was the driving force behind the story in Dark Fate. All of the big decisions that so many people hated were his.

They had a team of writers, but regardless, if Cameron directed Dark Fate I'm certain it would have been much better than what it is.
Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - May 19, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
James Cameron was the driving force behind the story in Dark Fate. All of the big decisions that so many people hated were his.

As for Alien movies, my favorite thing about the original four is how different each filmmaker tackled the material. While I loved Cameron's Aliens, I also very much like Fincher's take (at least, as much of it was Fincher's, among all of Fox's meddling).
Posted by Perfect-Organism
 - May 19, 2020, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 19, 2020, 07:41:57 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 19, 2020, 03:14:04 AM
They literally did a CTRL-R with John Connor and Skynet. And that was a terrible way to "get back to what people love" by literally murdering John Connor.

You mean, they ALIEN 3-ed him ?

It so funny that Alien 3 and T3 basically did the same things to Aliens and T2 and now Cameron himself did the same to T2. Hypocrecy 101

The key missing ingredient in all of these 3rd instalments is James Cameron.  Does anyone think that if we got one more James Cameron Aliens film it wouldn't be just awesome?
Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - May 19, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
Posted by Kradan
 - May 19, 2020, 04:45:14 PM
It was OK movie but unfortunately pretty forgettable. I think Cameron doesn't really care anymore about the franchise.
Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - May 19, 2020, 12:16:19 PM
I mean, it isn't really hypocrisy. They're two different stories that he had different ideas on how to proceed on.

In Aliens, he has set up a dynamic the he would have liked to have seen move forward. I personally love the choice Alien 3 made to strip Ripley of all of that, but I understand him being bitter of it.

With Terminator, Cameron was returning to a franchise that he pretty definitively ended with T2, and yet had been poorly followed up on over and over again. In order to do something interesting with the material (and with Sarah's character – and the new T-800, too), and to separate this film from all of the sequels that followed T2, I think his choice there was the right one. It was thematically relevant to the series as a whole, and kept the action going in a way that actually feels like an evolution of the story from the first two films rather than just a retread of it. John still had a purpose the he fulfilled, and continued to inspire a new generation. Sarah was probably more interesting than she's ever been. The T-800 was the most nuanced approach to artificial intelligence the series has ever had and an interesting thematic evolution of T2's ideas.

I don't know. I just really liked Dark Fate. Way more than I ever expected to. The worst thing about it is that it is so clearly setting up a sequel that will not be happening.
Posted by Kradan
 - May 19, 2020, 07:41:57 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 19, 2020, 03:14:04 AM
They literally did a CTRL-R with John Connor and Skynet. And that was a terrible way to "get back to what people love" by literally murdering John Connor.

You mean, they ALIEN 3-ed him ?

It so funny that Alien 3 and T3 basically did the same things to Aliens and T2 and now Cameron himself did the same to T2. Hypocrecy 101
Posted by Nightmare Asylum
 - May 19, 2020, 03:42:47 AM
Dark Fate is the first time I've cared about Terminator since T2.

And I have zero interest in seeing Alien 3 reconned. I would have been more interested in seeing Blomkamp's take on Alien before that conversation he had that got Sigourney involved. Still, I'd be very curious to see a treatment or something of his idea, just because I'm curious about what it would have been.
Posted by OpenMaw
 - May 19, 2020, 03:14:04 AM
Quote from: Datamat on May 18, 2020, 07:34:08 PM
It could just end up like Terminator Dark Fate which basically sold itself on the promise of erasing everything after T2 and being a retro sequel to T2.
It didnt make nearly as much money as was hoped despite this and while it was a genuinely ok movie that was better than arguably every Terminator film since T2 it still did not at all stand up in the same league as the original two movies.

I mean, no. It was pretty damned awful, too.

They literally did a CTRL-R with John Connor and Skynet. And that was a terrible way to "get back to what people love" by literally murdering John Connor.

Honestly at this point what they need to do isn't so much a reboot or anything like that, but just make another film in the Alien universe that takes its cues from the first two films, but doesn't copy them whole sale. Something similar to what Isolation did. Use the universe to tell another story, and go from there.
Posted by Drukathi
 - May 18, 2020, 08:47:48 PM
Well, technically, Alien 3 works like Dark Fate. We need a true Alien III (V).
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