Poll
Question:
Where would you like the Alien series to go next?
Option 1: One more Ridley Scott prequel
Option 2: Alien vs. Predator 3
Option 3: Blomkamp's retconned pseudo-sequel with Ripley and Hicks
Option 4: Sequel to Alien Resurrection with Ripley 8
Option 5: Reboot the whole series and start from scratch
Option 6: Soft reboot, set within existing continuity but new characters
I'd either like to see Blomkamp's vision for the series or a direct story continuation from Resurrection onward. Even one last prequel from Ridley to tie everything up to Alien would be fine too.
What do you guys think would be best for the series after Alien Covenant?
Prequel leading to A L I E N events is still my preferred choice.
Honestly I want them all. A sequel to Resurrection is my preferred choice though.
I voted for Ridley Scott.
ALIENS² and a proper AVP is what I want. Make it a two-part story. Ripley & Hicks vs Predator ftw!
Alien Covenant left a MASSIVE gap in between itself and the original Alien. It will drive me completely insane if this gap isn't filled. Finish David's story, then do literally anything with the series. I won't care as long as that gap gets filled.
I want to see David's story wrapped up, but don't care how well or even if it connects to Alien. I view the prequels as a separate continuity.
Quote from: Chronicle on Aug 03, 2017, 05:44:56 PM
What do you guys think would be best for the series after Alien Covenant?
#TurkMovie
:laugh:
Can I go with "none of the above"?
I mean, all of those options sound awful to me, and a "reboot" seems kind of redundant since Ripley is dead. Just tell a new story in the Alien universe. Doesn't even have to have the alien in it.
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 04, 2017, 11:47:51 AM
Alien Covenant left a MASSIVE gap in between itself and the original Alien. It will drive me completely insane if this gap isn't filled. Finish David's story, then do literally anything with the series. I won't care as long as that gap gets filled.
Exact same way I've felt about Resurrection and Ripley 8's story for 20 years now...I want them to conclude her story and give us a reason for why she was cloned and brought back. It renders Resurrection worthless without a continuation of her story and the aliens. They need to conclude it. It feels like FOX left us hanging so hard with Resurrection.
You don't think it was explained well enough in AR that they cloned her to get the queen?
Yeah. What needed to be concluded with Resurrection?
Or explained for that matter ?
Another from Ridley so we can have some closure to his story. After that I'll watch whatever comes.
Are people forgetting that Chappie only made 102 mil worldwide? That's less than Alien Covenant. (Chappie had a budget of 49 mil, so it still made less profit)
There is no chance of Blomkamp's Alien being made.
Chappie's box office is neither here nor there. Directors have film tank and still manage to get work. Look at Riddles last ten years. Only The Martian and Prometheus are what you would called 'hits'.
Hell, look at M. Night Shyamalan.
Most of his movies do pretty well financially.
And when they didn't the budgets he had dropped like a stone, but he's built himself back up.
You're only as good in hollywood as your last outing. Unless you're a bigwig like Ridley Scott who created two successful franchises and many successful films over 40 years.
That's why Blomkamp is confined to doing short films now, he can't get work in hollywood anymore.
I'd like one more Ridley Scott prequel that delivers on the promise of Prometheus. I love Prometheus. It was everything that the series needed to be refreshed and reinvigorated, and promised an even more mind-bending and spectacular sequel. But Covenant was the most disappointing movie of my entire life, bar none. I was crushed and feel betrayed. And I would argue that it was also a colossal miscalculation in terms of story, in addition to betraying the sequel promise of Prometheus. One more Ridley Scott prequel would be welcome, but provided that it drops the Alien prequel angle and does something original like Prometheus did.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:09:49 PM
Chappie's box office is neither here nor there. Directors have film tank and still manage to get work. Look at Riddles last ten years. Only The Martian and Prometheus are what you would called 'hits'.
By your logic, Why Ridley Scott works so much if his movies are bombs?.
My logic is 'Directors have film tank and still manage to get work.'
Do try and keep up.
I didn't say Ridley's films 'bomb'. You did.
Quote from: ScrapBrain on Aug 05, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
Another from Ridley so we can have some closure to his story. After that I'll watch whatever comes.
Agreed.
Another from Ridley. After that I'm probably done, unless the director is interesting. I could watch a HBO series about the duplicitous shenanigans of Weyland Yutani though.
Put me down for one more Ridley Scott prequel-sequel.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
You're only as good in hollywood as your last outing.
Doesn't work that way.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
That's why Blomkamp is confined to doing short films now, he can't get work in hollywood anymore.
Lolnope, Fox offered him The Gone World to direct. It's his next big sci-fi feature film. It's based on a as yet unpublished novel by Tomas Sweterlitsch and from several reports so far is absolutely amazing. Blomkamp will write the screenplay and direct it.
Always good to check one's facts first before spouting drivel.
Really want to see Scott finish the prequels as a trilogy.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 06, 2017, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
You're only as good in hollywood as your last outing.
Doesn't work that way.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
That's why Blomkamp is confined to doing short films now, he can't get work in hollywood anymore.
Lolnope, Fox offered him The Gone World to direct. It's his next big sci-fi feature film. It's based on a as yet unpublished novel by Tomas Sweterlitsch and from several reports so far is absolutely amazing. Blomkamp will write the screenplay and direct it.
Always good to check one's facts first before spouting drivel.
It's very weird you love Neil Blomkamp especially if you are a fan of Blade Runner.
Why is it weird? ???
I admire both Scott and Blomkamp. It's actually possible to do that you know.
You're so complex. Like Turk.
Thanks Trouble, that's a very big compliment! ;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 06, 2017, 07:54:47 PM
Why is it weird? ???
I admire both Scott and Blomkamp. It's actually possible to do that you know.
Their styles are very different.
Like Terrence Malick(Ridley Scott) and Paul W.S. Anderson(Neil Blomkamp).
What a laughably blinkered viewpoint.
Liking two different filmmakers? What next, liking two different films? Where does it end?
Dogs and cats living together.
(Wait, is it okay if I like the original Ghostbusters and the new one?)
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
Dogs and cats living together.
(Wait, is it okay if I like the original Ghostbusters and the new one?)
Is it bad that I enjoyed both versions of
Total Recall?
I like them both as well, though Arnie > Farrell.
Oh, but of course.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2017, 05:57:36 PM
You don't think it was explained well enough in AR that they cloned her to get the queen?
No, I understood the purpose. I'm saying, why go through all the effort of cloning her back to life only for one film that left everything on a cliffhanger? It didn't conclude anything. Resurrection if anything just birthed a new storyline for the series without any continuation of the Ripley 8 character or showing us the importance of her story to the series.
-All of the aliens that were born from cloning Ripley were killed.
-Ripley 8 gets to live happily ever after doing whatever she wants, which is what fans wanted for the original Ripley along with Hicks & Newt.
-The original ending suggested she'd be on the run from the military, but if the aliens aren't involved, nobody cares to see that. They cut that scene from the movie anyway.
So the story left no implications of further adventures that were about to be had. I don't see how this was a cliffhanger and I'm not sure what else could be done with the Resurrection storyline.
There is no cliffhanger in Resurrection.
Finish the prequels then wait a few years and make a new movie that takes place after Resurrection. The movie that takes place after Resurrection can connect the prequels to the original films in subtle ways while giving us a new story that may focus on a whole new Alien never encountered before, possibly created by the engineers. It can be a way of refreshing the franchise without having to reboot it as whatever happens after Resurrection in the timeline won't affect previous movies only enhance them.
Also wouldn't it be cool if we had a movie from the point of view of Weyland Yutani? Maybe after they were bought out in Resurrection they had a secret branch that kept running which searches the dark depths of the universe for anything alien related. (just an idea, I have no idea if it would even make sense for a film)
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 01:17:01 PM
There is no cliffhanger in Resurrection.
Quite. If anything, Resurrection left us with even fewer loose threads than Alien 3 did. With regard to the alien, at least.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2017, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 01:17:01 PM
There is no cliffhanger in Resurrection.
Quite. If anything, Resurrection left us with even fewer loose threads than Alien 3 did. With regard to the alien, at least.
"So this is Earth huh?"
-"This is Earth.."
"It's my first time here..suppose the military with be sniffing around here pretty soon. Bet your not too anxious to see them.."
-"Not really.."
"What do you think? What should we do?"
-"I don't know...I'm a stranger here myself"
And than you see the extended shots of a ruined Paris in a desolate Earth that no longer could be considered home for them. And than the screen fades to black with a roar of tense melody to suggest a furthering of the story and where Ripley could end up with Call and the rest of the crew. I think the ending was a slight cliffhanger imo. I want to see more of her story and where it ends.
Without aliens?
The key word above is "alternate".
Even if we accept that it happened - it's still not a cliffhanger. The story commenced in the film is concluded.
I added an extra option for a soft reboot to the poll. That's personally what I'd prefer. And I know, essentially Prometheus and Covenant are soft reboots, but I mean something different. Set in the times of Aliens/Alien 3, in the same continuity but with a different set of characters and situation.
Quote from: Chronicle on Aug 07, 2017, 01:00:45 PM
No, I understood the purpose. I'm saying, why go through all the effort of cloning her back to life only for one film that left everything on a cliffhanger?
Technically Ripley was not brought back to life,, Ripley is dead, Ripley 8 is an aberration that shares her memories but has a completely different personality. its a new character. Kind of makes the title
Resurrection a bit erroneous. Also there was no cliff hanger.
I choose either one more Scott prequel to wrap things up (because Covenant is on a cliffhanger) and/or a soft reboot.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Aug 08, 2017, 10:46:51 AM
Technically Ripley was not brought back to life,, Ripley is dead, Ripley 8 is an aberration that shares her memories but has a completely different personality. its a new character.
Yep. I'm not really interested in continuing her story, but I actually like the concept of Ripley 8. It's creepy, weird, deals with the morals/ethics of science and keeps the character alive in some fashion. The story isn't necessary and all that jazz, but it's not that bad of an idea.
I would actually love to see a loose interpretation of the original Verheiden series from Dark Horse. No funky space jockeys. No telepathic aliens. No mother queen.
But...
Set it 10 (or 30) years post Aliens, have an alien invasion of earth, reference the Covenant planet, and of course include a disfuncgional Newt, Hicks and Ripley, seeking redemption or a release from their nightmares.
That would do it.
Voted 'one more Ridley Scott Prequel'. It'd be great to see Ridley's story to completion. Prometheus has grown on me over the years and I enjoy Covenant.
Then move onto Alien Isolation's prequel series :D
Or something completely different all together.
A final prequel, (under supervision) and after, Post-AR Soft-Reboot.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:55:26 AM
A final prequel, (under supervision) and after, Post-AR Soft-Reboot.
Yep. This.
The prequel films definitely need a conclusion with a third film.
But man I'd love for there to be AVP3, Blomkamp's Aliens, or Alien 5 with Ripley 8. I can't even choose which I'd like to see the most.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:55:26 AM
A final prequel, (under supervision) and after, Post-AR Soft-Reboot.
Who should supervise?
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:55:26 AM
A final prequel, (under supervision) and after, Post-AR Soft-Reboot.
As long as David doesn't ultimately end up making the Alien, I'd agree with this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2019, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:55:26 AM
A final prequel, (under supervision) and after, Post-AR Soft-Reboot.
As long as David doesn't ultimately end up making the Alien, I'd agree with this.
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I don't know if I'd want to see anything more about Ripley 8 – to me Resurrection is really tacked on, it has never fitted with the previous three entries... It's a beautiful looking film, but I'm happy to ignore it.
As an advocate of handwaving or "bad dreams again-ing" Alien3, I'd still take Alien3 as an end to the story rather than have Resurrection as part of it.
For me, definitely Aliens2... as we've said zillions of times, Alien3 is good (flawed genius even) movie, but the disposal of major characters off-screen was just rubbish (kill one or both IN the movie... sure... but that was just pants) and we all know about the magic facehugger in the thread running at over 160 pages or something like that.
AvP3 – definitely would love to see this in a future setting. It's strange to think that the producers and money people couldn't have seen that Marines with pulse rifles vs Xenos and Yautja was going to be a smash. I know budget is a consideration, but delivering something – entertaining as it is to some of us – so far and away removed from what we were expecting was strange.
I'm sure that WS Anderson wanted to do something more in-line with the comics and Alien-verse than what he ultimately delivered... lots of directors claim to be "huge fans" of the franchise that they're working on, but Anderson genuinely is. I'd love to have a beer with him and quiz him on all this stuff.
And – even if it sticks in my craw – they have to finish the Prometheus / Covenant cycle. I hope it doesn't transpire that the robot created the alien... its just so... wrong to me (I know that idea has its advocates, mind). But either way, they really should close the circle on that.
As has been mentioned, I'm all for streaming services taking up the stories – the Wey-Yu files idea has been bandied about on here for a while and I think that's a good way to go. But I think something expansive that addresses the big and small questions of the AvP universes would be ace... and TV does give the story a chance to breathe in a way that a movie doesn't.
I would be happy to have David "re-create" the aliens in the sense that he truly believes he is creating them but it is really an echo of faulty AI much like his assertion about Shelley's poem. He is literally retreading work that was already done and believing it to be his own. The film could be about his psychological disintegration over the fact that he may be immortal but his grip on reality is lost.
I just want Ridley Scott to throw the most insane shit he has in his mind at me in third prequel. I'm serious.
For me to begin with, i want a trilogy closer to Ridley's arc at least, then getting a film set after Resurrection but maybe with mostly new characters
Project Acheron's fan series and Tristan Jones both subscribe to the theory that the black goo was engineered from the aliens. The aliens have existed for thousands of years and the engineers created the goo from them, then used the goo to create life on Earth and other planets. David is taking the life on Planet 4 along with the black goo and reverse-engineering his way back to the xenomorph.
Official franchise consultant Andrew Gaska also made a comment on the Alien: Paradise Facebook group stating that he doesn't believe it's possible that David is the creator either.
I think Covenant left things vague enough that they could go with one of these ideas.
But I don't really care what they go with. I'm open-minded to accept any of these scenarios. I just want some kind of closure.
My idea. Do it. ;D
It satisfies both parties.
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/ab8b16a6-28c4-4536-9837-440e8e93e86e/d303r0e-225f4e37-bcb3-413d-97bb-6ff9014168b4.jpg/v1/fill/w_873,h_916,q_70,strp/space_jockey_sketch_by_harnois75_d303r0e-pre.jpg)
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction.
He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Next sequel should be with Nic Cage.
"Not the xenooosss"
My vision for series is that next movie should be both a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection at the same time.
It will involve Ripley 8 (and possibly Call) going in search of the original Space Jockey Giger planet where David now resides making his creations.
In this movie it will be stated that David only recreated the Alien from an ancient recipe and that the Engineers are a creation of the Space Jockey.
It will be the final movie in both series.
Sorry, I don't want any more sequels led by granny Weaver.
Yeah, let her go, please.
On other hand in a couple of years we probably will get fully cgi version of Ripley. You know something what Terminator Salvation and Genysis did with Arnie but better.
Quote from: T Dog on Mar 20, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
In this movie it will be stated that David only recreated the Alien from an ancient recipe
This is in the Alien Covenant book by Alan Dean Foster.
QuoteFinally, he shows Oram a fossilized Ovomorph and the dead Facehugger within, pointing out that they are an Engineer creation, created long before he arrived on the planet.
A.I created > Human created.
Ancient creation > future creation
Creator > Creation chronology.
So you're saying that the nature of their creator is more important than when they were created? Does their creator have to be AI or will any non-human being do?
Yes.
A inhuman creator. At least.
On that we agree. Ideally, an inhuman creator in the ancient past then?
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 20, 2019, 06:59:28 PM
Sorry, I don't want any more sequels led by granny Weaver.
I'm dyin' here. :laugh:
Ideally. A recherché creator or the result of a ancient aberration.
E.G A space vortex.
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 20, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
This is in the Alien Covenant book by Alan Dean Foster.
QuoteFinally, he shows Oram a fossilized Ovomorph and the dead Facehugger within, pointing out that they are an Engineer creation, created long before he arrived on the planet.
(https://i.imgur.com/meGUrAz.jpg)
Human ancestors created the Alien? No.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 02:00:54 AM
Human ancestors created the Alien? No.
I don't see Engineers exactly as human ancestors, I think they just played with primate evolution trying to lead it towards the creation of a sentient species. I don't think Ridley took evolution out of the alien universe, considering he mentioned how he believes aliens assisted on evolution on real life. We still descend from ancient apes, the engineers just modified things so that those apes's descendents would look like them. Like how humans make synthetics look like them. They don't see us as their children, they don't see us as equals, they might see us with more superiority than humans see synthetics.
I also think they are much more alien than David, ancient and unpredictable. At least on Prometheus despite not being muh space jockey they still had an inhuman look in them, while the ones in Covenant were pathetic.
David is human like, his pain and rage comes from having a programmed man's mind on a fake body. David is emotional and needy, he cries, he attempts to make Walter be like him and gets angry when he fails. He is interested on sex despite not being able to perform, his programming is that good, he believes and sees himself as a man even if he isn't and can't be one. Replace David with a guy without a willy and you have the same thing.
But its possible to make only the aliens we have seen so far an Engineer recreation, their own version of it. My current headcanon is similar to your idea:
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/ab8b16a6-28c4-4536-9837-440e8e93e86e/d303r0e-225f4e37-bcb3-413d-97bb-6ff9014168b4.jpg/v1/fill/w_873,h_916,q_70,strp/space_jockey_sketch_by_harnois75_d303r0e-pre.jpg)
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction.
He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
But with the Engineers creating the goo themselves and using it to bring back Alien-like creatures that were long extinct.
Here's how I prefer to see it.
We find the alien and screw with it. The alien kills us.
The Engineers found the alien and screwed with it. The alien killed them.
The Alien predates both humanity and the Engineers. It is truly ancient.
David is nothing special. History is merely repeating itself.
He is arrogantly playing with an ancient fire, and he will be burned like the others.
Humanity is but another victim, in a long line of victims.
Agreed.
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 20, 2019, 04:18:18 PM
Next sequel should be with Nic Cage.
You never know. ;D ;)
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/ridley-scott-and-james-camerons-alien-5/
Scott also told them that, regarding his work with Nicolas Cage on Matchstick Men and other projects, "If there's room for him in the new Alien movie, we'd love to get him."
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 02:52:41 AM
Here's how I prefer to see it.
We find the alien and screw with it. The alien kills us.
The Engineers found the alien and screwed with it. The alien killed them.
The Alien predates both humanity and the Engineers. It is truly ancient.
David is nothing special. History is merely repeating itself.
He is arrogantly playing with an ancient fire, and he will be burned like the others.
Humanity is but another victim, in a long line of victims.
That can fit with the Covenant novel, David only says the egg he has found was an Engineer creation, he doesn't and can't confirm the full origin of the alien. Aliens specimens can be created through messing with the goo as David creates his own eggs as well.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 02:52:41 AM
Here's how I prefer to see it.
We find the alien and screw with it. The alien kills us.
The Engineers found the alien and screwed with it. The alien killed them.
The Alien predates both humanity and the Engineers. It is truly ancient.
David is nothing special. History is merely repeating itself.
He is arrogantly playing with an ancient fire, and he will be burned like the others.
Humanity is but another victim, in a long line of victims.
That can fit with the Covenant novel, David only says the egg he has found was an Engineer creation, he doesn't and can't confirm the full origin of the alien. Aliens specimens can be created through messing with the goo as David creates his own eggs as well.
Thank god for ADF. But how many movie goers are going to have read the novel? As far as the audience is concerned, David did it. That sucks, because it becomes a human creation by proxy.
No, David's unique. "Perfect A.I, the art form." -R.S
The Engineers = space humans.
Every respect, fancanon and appearance regardless.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 03:25:52 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:07:42 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 02:52:41 AM
Here's how I prefer to see it.
We find the alien and screw with it. The alien kills us.
The Engineers found the alien and screwed with it. The alien killed them.
The Alien predates both humanity and the Engineers. It is truly ancient.
David is nothing special. History is merely repeating itself.
He is arrogantly playing with an ancient fire, and he will be burned like the others.
Humanity is but another victim, in a long line of victims.
That can fit with the Covenant novel, David only says the egg he has found was an Engineer creation, he doesn't and can't confirm the full origin of the alien. Aliens specimens can be created through messing with the goo as David creates his own eggs as well.
Thank god for ADF. But how many movie goers are going to have read the novel? As far as the audience is concerned, David did it. That sucks, because it becomes a human creation by proxy.
The non-fans that watched the movie with me didn't think David was the creator of all Aliens. Because AVP movies and games. :P
Only some fans are aware of Fox's current stance on canon and Ridley's intentions through interviews. Back when Covenant was released some members here didn't even realized the implication of the movie.
The average moviegoer? They think David just made some aliens eggs, that's all. Heck once the subject of Alien came with some colleagues and one wondered if in the next movie Predators would try to hunt David for what he did on Covenant.
Interesting lol.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:32:26 AM
No, David's unique. "Perfect A.I, the art form." -R.S
Do you feel a kinship?
Haha.
The Alien emergence, freedom? Perhaps.
We can't all be perfect organisms.
No you can't. ;D
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Correct.
Blomkamp, has to be.
Ridley has had enough chances and its time to move on and hand the mantle over to a younger, better and more imaginative team. Whilst i enjoyed Covenant it was still miles behind where the sequels should have taken us, and i will never ever get over the sheer dissapointment i felt with Prometheus. I can still remember the days back in late 2011 or early 2012 when the pictures and some footage leaked showing the space jockey and how excited the fans were and what did we get? the Engineers, some pale oversized humans, these were not the space jockey, what a boring end to the saga. Ridley should never be forgiven
No Ridley Scott ≠ automatic Neill Blomkamp film.
The world is full of talented Directors.
Quote from: dave1978 on Mar 22, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
Blomkamp, has to be.
Ridley has had enough chances and its time to move on and hand the mantle over to a younger, better and more imaginative team.
Blomkamp: 3 sci-fi movies
Scott: 23 movies, ranging from sci-fi to romance to thriller to period pieces
Better and more imaginative you say? ::)
There's more imagination to be found in Ridleys bathroom, than Neil's directors chair.
Neil's movies are all the same. The only difference is the number of times the characters call each other boinky, or whatever it was.
Does Neil believes aliens assisted on human evolution too? Otherwise Ridley wins on imagination.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
There's more imagination to be found in Ridleys bathroom, than Neil's directors chair.
Neil's movies are all the same. The only difference is the number of times the characters call each other boinky, or whatever it was.
Indeed. He bacame a one trick pony, and all his movies seems to be part of the District 9 lore.
According to Deadline, Scott is still working on Alien Prequel 3.
QuoteWhile uncertainty abounds, other producers seem a firmer fit into Disney. Chernin seems secure; 21 Laps makes Disney-esque movies like Free Guy, the Ryan Reynolds-starrer that is expected to be a Disney tentpole for 2021. Ridley Scott's Scott Free seems also a good bet to stay: beyond the next Aliens installment that he's working on, Scott is expected to next direct Merlin, a live-action movie on the formative years of the wizard, for Disney..
https://deadline.com/2019/03/fox-film-disney-paul-feig-universal-fox-layoffs-1202579443/
Good. Finish the arc.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 22, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
According to Deadline, Scott is still working on Alien Prequel 3.
QuoteWhile uncertainty abounds, other producers seem a firmer fit into Disney. Chernin seems secure; 21 Laps makes Disney-esque movies like Free Guy, the Ryan Reynolds-starrer that is expected to be a Disney tentpole for 2021. Ridley Scott's Scott Free seems also a good bet to stay: beyond the next Aliens installment that he's working on, Scott is expected to next direct Merlin, a live-action movie on the formative years of the wizard, for Disney..
https://deadline.com/2019/03/fox-film-disney-paul-feig-universal-fox-layoffs-1202579443/
:o
Finally some life signs.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 07:07:56 PM
Good. Finish the arc.
Would that be the arc of the...covenant?
Teehee :laugh:
Yes! lol
I'm all for letting Ridley finish his arc the way he wants to. Alien is largely his creation. I want to see the creator's take on things.
(Blomkamp afterwards ;D )
No, a talented team and a new vision afterwards.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
No, a talented team and a new vision afterwards.
If there's any justice in the world.
Though it seems to be lacking these days.
Glad to hear that Riddles is still at it. Though, to please both fans have someone else besides Blomkamp continue the franchise, so Scott is able to salvage whatever ideas he had for Prometheus 2/Paradise to put them in his final film, and x director does a film that pleases the 'Aliens' fans.
@Corporal Hicks I hope you hit up your insider contacts and see if this is in fact true...
Whatever it will be and whoever makes it, let them do it well.
The franchise cannot afford yet another misstep.
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
&
The law of averages.
Agreed Recon.
Fully agreed
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 22, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
According to Deadline, Scott is still working on Alien Prequel 3.
QuoteWhile uncertainty abounds, other producers seem a firmer fit into Disney. Chernin seems secure; 21 Laps makes Disney-esque movies like Free Guy, the Ryan Reynolds-starrer that is expected to be a Disney tentpole for 2021. Ridley Scott's Scott Free seems also a good bet to stay: beyond the next Aliens installment that he's working on, Scott is expected to next direct Merlin, a live-action movie on the formative years of the wizard, for Disney..
https://deadline.com/2019/03/fox-film-disney-paul-feig-universal-fox-layoffs-1202579443/
I suspect it's most likely just conjecture from the writer rather than some kind of insider info.
What is very telling though is this:
QuoteParticularly since the output of films is expected to be low. For instance 20th, which has been making a full-size slate of pictures since The Depression, might only be able to make four theatrical films and four streaming films per year, if the rumors I am hearing are true.
What are the chances of seeing a new Alien film anytime soon with only 4 theatrical films per year? They'll concentrate on Fox's more lucrative properties.
Sll those who want Covenant 3 to finish David's story need to remember that we thought Covenant would finish Shaw's story. Scott is likely to do the same thing again and go off on another tangent.
It finished Elizabeth Shaw's story. Abruptly. :D
Poor Shaw :'(
Scott has to bring in Tom Hardy! He's been at the premieres of both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, now it's time to cast him.
BishopShouldGo, Good idea!
We need to just transplant the cast from inception into alien and be done with it.
I mean, hardy and Murphy alone. Not to mention watanabe, page, levitt, caine, etc.
Maybe leave Tom berenger though.
Alien: Inception
Oooh.
Tom Berenger is a Ridley Scott alum though.
He was awesome in Platoon.
Ridley Scott is a commercial director, he'll give the fans what they want, but also does his own artistic take on it. That's what Alien Covenant was, an attempt to balance the artistic and commercial. Some would say he succeeded, some not.
The prequel story should not be left unfinished.
The prequel story should not be left unfinished.
Bye Felicia!
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 09:39:16 PM
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
&
The law of averages.
Agreed Recon.
Whoah, had to do a double take. For a minute there, I thought you said "Agreed Retcon"...
Not on your life. :D
I think it's a safe bet we will see a sequel to 'ALIEN Covenant' go into production, possibly as early as the end of the year. Fox still exists as an entity and Disney will want it to make good on valuable properties like 'ALIEN' sooner rather than later. Disney will want to start to see a return on the US$72b they invested in the purchase.
So it makes sense to move on the sequel sooner than later.
Ridley has worked hard to bring the 'ALIEN' name back into his production house. Scott Free productions will be at the heart of any new sequel. Ridley himself may not direct as he's getting old - there's no denying that - but the new director will act in the interests of Fox and Scott Free to bring a successful movie to audiences.
...and honestly, who knows what we'll get? I believe we'll get a combat heavy 'ALIENS' style movie following on from 'ALIEN Covenant'. The set up is there. Maybe even 2 movies. I honestly believe that's where it is heading. A massive conflict on a colonial world with a 3 way war between David and his Alien army against the Engineers with colonial military forces stuck in the middle of the conflict.
Scott said this was going to 'Epic'. So far, he's been right. We've seen a prologue. We've seen the first chapter. Chapter 2 will obviously follow as part of a much bigger story.
-Windebieste.
I disagree. I think Disney will move away from Ridley Scott. I'm sure they'll talk with him but I feel Disney will go with James Cameron to guide the franchise for them at this point. I'd almost bet my left arm that Cameron will
be involved with the next movie. Be it director or producer. He seems to have wanted to "make things right" with him going back to the Terminator franchise. Now with him saying he was going to call Neill Blomkamp regarding getting Alien 5 back off the ground, I think he means it. He'll be involved with the Alien franchise going forward.
May 25th this year will be pretty exciting! 8)
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Mar 23, 2019, 02:47:53 AM
I disagree. I think Disney will move away from Ridley Scott. I'm sure they'll talk with him but I feel Disney will go with James Cameron to guide the franchise for them at this point. I'd almost bet my left arm that Cameron will
be involved with the next movie. Be it director or producer. He seems to have wanted to "make things right" with him going back to the Terminator franchise. Now with him saying he was going to call Neill Blomkamp regarding getting Alien 5 back off the ground, I think he means it. He'll be involved with the Alien franchise going forward.
May 25th this year will be pretty exciting! 8)
T6 might be proof he can't deliver.
Doubtful LiquidMonster, consider Alita Battle Angel's production history.
Continue the franchise, but move far away from Scott.
Quote from: Adam802 on Mar 23, 2019, 02:55:17 AM
Continue the franchise, but move far away from Scott.
(https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Prometheus-_Engineer_Angry.jpg)
One final Ridley Scott prequel. Under supervision, and/or collaboration.
Spoiler
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction. He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Spoiler
Do it.
Spoiler
A talented team and a new vision afterwards.
Let Ridley finish, then do whatever it takes to get Villeneuve.
#DownforDenisVilleneuve
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 03:08:08 AM
One final Ridley Scott prequel. Under supervision, and/or collaboration.
Spoiler
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction. He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Spoiler
Do it.
Spoiler
A talented team and a new vision afterwards.
I could easily imagine seeing this ancient history sequence as a long Return of the King introduction which plants the seeds for David's downfall and suffer the same fate as the Titan Prometheus.
I do hope if there is an Alien franchise story group that it supervises Scott, or they keep him as producer while someone like Villeneuve or Garland directs the film.
100% Yes, yes, yes!
I'm really glad to hear this. Ridley is the master :)
:)
Hell yeah!
f**k Disney ... They killed Star Wars. Perhaps they ll kill Alien too Predator is almost dead .....
There s plenty of good directors .......plenty of very good others guys. Cameron ... No please. Scott .... Not anymore ... Vicente Natali is good. For an Alien movie ; he would be great Aliens in a Cube ....
And please Stephen Hopkins ... Work on the next predator ... The true Predator 3
Regards to all of you who love these monsters.
Really glad to hear that! Hope it will not take years until we see it... 2017 I think, Ridley said that he doesn't want another ,,substantial gap" between the film... Hope there's some announcement on Alien Day!
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 23, 2019, 03:56:14 AM
I'm really glad to hear this. Ridley is the master :)
More importantly, Scott is the kind of person who does not give up easily. He's already made 3 movies in this series. He wants to make more. He's already said he wants do so. He's made substantial effort to land this series back under the banner of his production company.
Does anyone really believe he's just going to give it up so readily..?
-Windebieste.
Ridley Scott's a busy man.
I learned a valuable lesson a long time ago - if you want something done, ask a busy man.
-Windebieste.
He also is not getting any younger.
I hope the whole do or do not is done by the time he is free so he can go to work on his final prequel without much delay.
Even if he doesn't direct himself, Scott Free will produce.
-Windebieste.
On one hand, ending of Covenant really made me wanting to see conclusion of story.
But on another we can get another narrative and tone changing. I liked how it changed from Prometheus to Alien Covenant. But i'd like to see direct sequel to Covenant not another prequel that doesn't conect itself with previous one very well.
Seeing that he's working left and right. Producing x and y projects. It wouldn't be far fetched that for the final film that good ol' Riddles sticks as producer and gives the film to someone else who is able to direct large epic sequences and also able to deliver some character drama and horror....someone like Alex Garland....just floating the idea into the ether.
Yeah!
More deleted scenes which were actually important to the complete picture. More open questions. More Robots. More Giants in elve robes. More aliens who look different to the original. More undeveloped characters. More fancy panorama.
BRING IT ON!
::)
Or Denis Villeneuve.
I don't want Villeneuve anywhere near an Alien movie.
A three-hour Alien epic prequel conclusion, who directs?
Michael Bay
:D Denis Villeneuve myself, considering Blade Runner.
or my list. lol
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 24, 2019, 02:24:45 AM
A three-hour Alien epic prequel conclusion, who directs?
3 hours? I highly doubt this.
I chose the final RS Prequel, just in an effort to end the plague of loose ends burying this franchise.
In truth, I believe what will save this franchise is multiple directions at once. They almost saved it when we had Blomkamp and the Prometheus sequel, but they hesitated and eff'd up. Disney is likely in a better position to do this than FOX was without them. So there's some hope IMO.
I think they should do this:
1. Greenlight 2 Films - the final RS Prequel or Blomkamp's story and either Alien Isolation or Hadley's Hope story
2. TV Series than begins with the Hadley's Hope story or Alien Isoloation and make sure it continues into new territory and it tells WY side of things in between the films to some extent.
3. AVP Animated series, that does not link to anything theatrical, except maybe the AVP films, and in doing so, excises them from the Alien theatrical canon.
They should also make a point to delete A:R from the canon altogether, even though I do enjoy it.
The timeline is so messed up that I think if you want to fix it and have to choose 1 option, a series is the best case scenario.
I hope Ridley Scott gets a chance to finish his story.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Mar 24, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
I hope Ridley Scott gets a chance to finish his story.
Might as well, we're 2 movies in already. But the next one needs to wrap it up, and you know, be good.
Ridley Scott (Produced) final prequel, Neill Blomkamp's original idea (prior the retcon idea), and a series.
Contrasting directions at once's a good idea, but no previous location, we know the ending.
A anthology series or, season by season scenarios.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 24, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
Might as well, we're 2 movies in already. But the next one needs to wrap it up, and you know, be good.
With the "beast has almost run out" comment, Ridley will probably to make the next one focus even more on David, the alien creature might stay in the background, if it shows up. And the way he ends up doing the crash of the LV-426's derelict will lead to a similar reception as things like "Space Jockey is a suit" and "David created the alien" did.
I think I heard that the budget for the next would be lower than the previous ones due to Covenant's box office, so that might limit what Ridley originally had in my mind, but well he won't take long to make up something else. I always hope things end up being good, but I'm not very optimistic as long Ridley is involved.
Some people really need to get over Ridley, how many chances will you give him?
He has had 1 really good movie in 10 years and that was the Martian, the rest are debatable. Could maybe even say 15 years back to Black Hawk Down so 2 films in 15 years. Both of these were book adaptations so required little imagination on Ridleys part. Yes i know BHD was real but the film was a straight copy of Mark Bowdens account which is by all accounts quite accurate.
And give the opinions of Prometheus & Covenant on here neither of which are highly regarded i just cant understand why anyone would want another failure from him
Quote from: dave1978 on Mar 25, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
Some people really need to get over Ridley, how many chances will you give him?
He has had 1 really good movie in 10 years and that was the Martian, the rest are debatable. Could maybe even say 15 years back to Black Hawk Down so 2 films in 15 years. Both of these were book adaptations so required little imagination on Ridleys part. Yes i know BHD was real but the film was a straight copy of Mark Bowdens account which is by all accounts quite accurate.
And give the opinions of Prometheus & Covenant on here neither of which are highly regarded i just cant understand why anyone would want another failure from him
(https://i.imgur.com/iB5xwIJ.gif)
In MY opinion the man has been giving us consistently quality movies, even when they are flawed. He is one of the few directors that makes me want to watch his movies, even when it's outside of my preferred genre. And I am sure you are aware that translating a book to movie isn't easy at all. A lot of written stuff only works for books, not movies.
Kinda liked "The Terror" but scott prob had nothing to do with that besides producing the series.
Basically Alien in 1848 on 2 ice-breaker ships stranded in the Arctic. XD
Visuals were great and it has some edge on your seat moments.
Ridley's movies may not always be perfect, but you would be hard pressed to find a director who has a similiar filmography with such range and consistent quality.
I did say, debatable.
We will just have to come back here in 2 years and see how many of us are satisfied with the conclusion of the new trilogy, if indeed it concludes anything. Im willing to take bets it will be less than 50%
I voted for ALIEN COVENANT II Ridley Scott. But I expect the worst so: Full Reboot of ALIEN with Marvel and Star Wars. LOL....
Late to the party, but this is good news. Although I hate the idea of David creating the Xeno (and I know there are those that love this angle, it's just my preference), the cycle ought to be finished.
It's interesting though - because whatever happens from here on in will be canon (at least for a while). I think that will cast a shadow over the original trilogy like Anny and JarJar did over Star Wars. Of course, we'll all still love (to varying degrees) the trilogy, but it'll somehow leave a bitter after-taste if we know that the Alien was never what we thought it was... We can't unsee Covenant and the next one.
Unless the theories on here are right and David is RE-creating the Alien - I'd love that.
Going forward - I'm in Camp Handwave Alien3 (in the same way that Alien3 handwaves Hicks, Newt and Facehuggers... grrr.... bad Alien3). But that's only because I firmly believe that the major characters were so poorly treated in what is and should be a perfect booked to the Ripley story (and if you think it still is, more power to you).
It's been pointed out here - a closing of the prequels, a closing of the Ripley story in a fitting (for some of us) manner and then a new direction coupled a TV show would be brilliant. What KIND of TV show is debatable - many of us have thrown ideas around for this.
I really think that the AlienVerse is interesting enough to carry Xeno-less stories... Event Horizon, Outland, Starship Troopers, Blade Runner and loads of others have the aesthetics (there's a thread on here somewhere that asks the question "what other franchises could be in the alien universe (paraphrasing) but I can't find it) of the the Alien movies.
Even so, these stories would always have the spectre of Wey-Yu and the Alien hanging over them. I really think an expanded universe show could work, although the fan-arguments would be vehement on how MUCH to expand. Is this the AlienVerse of AvPVerse... I don't know the answer to that one!
Not trying to be mean or anything, just want to give my opinion on these:
One more Ridley Scott prequel: Voted Yes, it's hard to just let it end like this, besides all those Gigeresque temples and stuff are neat, just the Alien needs to look better and not a CGI'd POS. Has to have a great story though to work well. No dumbo mistakes either, like removing your helmet as soon as you land on a new planet, yes the oxygen levels could be the same but ever hear of viruses etc Ridley Scott? (2 straight movies you did this crap, what's up with that bat shit?)
Alien vs. Predator 3: Sure, why not, as long as it's not on Earth ever again, really dumb.
Blomkamp's retconned pseudo-sequel with Ripley and Hicks: After seeing this guy's 40 armed and legged Aliens, no thanks. Paul W.S. Anderson #2.
Sequel to Alien Resurrection with Ripley 8: With Ripley 8, no thanks, unless it's not on Earth.
Reboot the whole series and start from scratch: A STUPID IDEA! REBOOTS ARE STUPID!
Soft reboot, set within existing continuity but new characters: NO, NO, NO, NO, NO REBOOTS! REMAIN THE COURSE, look at what has happened to every damn reboot, reboots are dumb and lazy.
How about a movie with Amanda Ripley? Or just keep making movies with new actors, storylines and circumstances, such as in the comics.
Quote from: Russ on Mar 26, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
Late to the party, but this is good news. Although I hate the idea of David creating the Xeno (and I know there are those that love this angle, it's just my preference), the cycle ought to be finished.
It's interesting though - because whatever happens from here on in will be canon (at least for a while). I think that will cast a shadow over the original trilogy like Anny and JarJar did over Star Wars. Of course, we'll all still love (to varying degrees) the trilogy, but it'll somehow leave a bitter after-taste if we know that the Alien was never what we thought it was... We can't unsee Covenant and the next one.
Unless the theories on here are right and David is RE-creating the Alien - I'd love that.
Going forward - I'm in Camp Handwave Alien3 (in the same way that Alien3 handwaves Hicks, Newt and Facehuggers... grrr.... bad Alien3). But that's only because I firmly believe that the major characters were so poorly treated in what is and should be a perfect booked to the Ripley story (and if you think it still is, more power to you).
It's been pointed out here - a closing of the prequels, a closing of the Ripley story in a fitting (for some of us) manner and then a new direction coupled a TV show would be brilliant. What KIND of TV show is debatable - many of us have thrown ideas around for this.
I really think that the AlienVerse is interesting enough to carry Xeno-less stories... Event Horizon, Outland, Starship Troopers, Blade Runner and loads of others have the aesthetics (there's a thread on here somewhere that asks the question "what other franchises could be in the alien universe (paraphrasing) but I can't find it) of the the Alien movies.
Even so, these stories would always have the spectre of Wey-Yu and the Alien hanging over them. I really think an expanded universe show could work, although the fan-arguments would be vehement on how MUCH to expand. Is this the AlienVerse of AvPVerse... I don't know the answer to that one!
Welcome to Camp Handwave Alien 3 Russ! We're a fun bunch over here and we choose great movies over nihilism. This isn't the nineties!
A apathetic universe as humanity is caught between Empathy Versus Apathy isn't just Alien³ it's the nature of the real universe we exist in.
That is the nihilistic point of view, though as it is a view, it is also your choice. It doesn't mean that the universe is actually as you view it. The view that the universe is guided by some sort of intelligence (may it be beyond our grasp of imagination) remains a valid point of view, in which case, our universe may not be apathetic. It is just not knowable.
Guided? No, that's more terrifying than comforting. And far and away more nihilistic.
Created? Perhaps.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 26, 2019, 08:24:42 PM
Guided? No, that's more terrifying than comforting. And far and away more nihilistic.
Created? Perhaps.
Consciousness is a tough nut to crack. Perhaps impossible. It seems unlikely to me that something like consciousness would be created without some guidance or purpose. There doesn't seem to be much purpose to existence other than love and perhaps amazement at existence. Anyway, totally OT.
The purpose is our own. But yes, OT.
Again;
Spoiler
Ridley Scott (Produced) final prequel, Neill Blomkamp's original idea (prior the retcon idea), and a series.
Contrasting directions at once's a good idea, but no previous location, we know the ending.
A anthology series or, season by season scenarios.
It'd be rude not to green light both a final Ridley Scott film and a Neill Blomkamp film.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 26, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
Welcome to Camp Handwave Alien 3 Russ! We're a fun bunch over here and we choose great movies over nihilism. This isn't the nineties!
I've always been secretly one of you. For the reasons I describe in the Hicks / Newt thread. I've got no issues with the characters being killed, but killing them off-camera was (to me) an appalling decision. And we already have over 180 pages on the facehugger(s) so I'm not gonna go there :D
Frosty's right, though. Why can't we have both.
Money. Covenant didn't exactly show Alien as a huge property. It'd be a risk for them to bank roll two films in the series at once.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 27, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
It'd be stupid not to green light both a final Ridley Scott film and a Neill Blomkamp film.
Opposite; it'd be dumb to greenlight both when one Scott film didn't perform as well as expected, and Blomkamp has a string of "eh" releases to his name.
I'm gonna make Ridley carry the can for it, then...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 26, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
That is the nihilistic point of view, though as it is a view, it is also your choice. It doesn't mean that the universe is actually as you view it. The view that the universe is guided by some sort of intelligence (may it be beyond our grasp of imagination) remains a valid point of view, in which case, our universe may not be apathetic. It is just not knowable.
I believe in God.
I also believe this physical universe has rules. Death, loss, and atrophy are part of the system, and often pointless.
I believe there is an element of purpose, but i also believe in sh*t happens.
There are movies that properly illuminate either concept. Alien excels at nihilism.
Well if they want to continue making films in this franchise I'd say either would be a good marketable direction to take, eventually followed by the other.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 26, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
That is the nihilistic point of view, though as it is a view, it is also your choice. It doesn't mean that the universe is actually as you view it. The view that the universe is guided by some sort of intelligence (may it be beyond our grasp of imagination) remains a valid point of view, in which case, our universe may not be apathetic. It is just not knowable.
I believe in God.
I also believe this physical universe has rules. Death, loss, and atrophy are part of the system, and often pointless.
I believe there is an element of purpose, but i also believe in sh*t happens.
There are movies that properly illuminate either concept. Alien excels at nihilism.
I think Alien 3 secured that nihilistic tone in the series. It was only a part-element previously. Aliens was a Disney film for all intents and purposes. With a little princess no less. It was a film of loss, but also of hope. It was humanity winning over the darkness, whereas Alien 3 was just about humanity staring off into darkness. The good guys lost. ...and people wonder why the film didn't have mass appeal.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 27, 2019, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 26, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
That is the nihilistic point of view, though as it is a view, it is also your choice. It doesn't mean that the universe is actually as you view it. The view that the universe is guided by some sort of intelligence (may it be beyond our grasp of imagination) remains a valid point of view, in which case, our universe may not be apathetic. It is just not knowable.
I believe in God.
I also believe this physical universe has rules. Death, loss, and atrophy are part of the system, and often pointless.
I believe there is an element of purpose, but i also believe in sh*t happens.
There are movies that properly illuminate either concept. Alien excels at nihilism.
I think Alien 3 secured that nihilistic tone in the series. It was only a part-element previously. Aliens was a Disney film for all intents and purposes. With a little princess no less. It was a film of loss, but also of hope. It was humanity winning over the darkness, whereas Alien 3 was just about humanity staring off into darkness. The good guys lost. ...and people wonder why the film didn't have mass appeal.
Everybody wants to hear the sermon about love, hope and the triumph of good.
Nobody wants an hour of hell, sin, and the failure of man.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 27, 2019, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 27, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
It'd be stupid not to green light both a final Ridley Scott film and a Neill Blomkamp film.
Opposite; it'd be dumb to greenlight both when one Scott film didn't perform as well as expected, and Blomkamp has a string of "eh" releases to his name.
Except that Ridley has made plenty of good movies and Blomkamp hasn't.
The only purpose of existence is reproduction. Love? Some people never feel love. I never feel love. I prefer to have sons and daughters.
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Mar 28, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
The only purpose of existence is reproduction. Love? Some people never feel love. I never feel love. I prefer to have sons and daughters.
I remember that one, but can't place the movie for some reason. I remember it was from the 90's.
Hahahaha. I was being sincere. Like the final words of Morgan Freeman in SEVEN
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And fyi, the good guys won at the end of the Alien Trilogy- it just took losing everything to achieve it.
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Mar 28, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
The only purpose of existence is reproduction. Love? Some people never feel love. I never feel love. I prefer to have sons and daughters.
I really wish you wouldn't.
Don't be mean.
Too late for your wishes. Take this L.
Oh snap.
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Shaka, when the walls fell.
Enough please.
I was wondering if anyone can help me out with something. I just finished my Alien: Leviathan screenplay and I contacted Scott Free a month ago to ask if for recommendations on which literary agents to submit it to, in the hope they'd say "send it over".
One of the main people gave me his direct email so I sent him the pitch. He didn't reply, which is fine. But yesterday I finished the final draft and I sent another email this morning and still heard nothing back, so I called them to see if they were receiving my messages. Then the secretary informed me "they don't accept unsolicited material" , which is what I thought their policy was before I even called them the first time and its probably the reason why the guy isn't replying to my emails (so why give me a personal email in the first place). Basically, this was my "go to" place to submit my screenplay and now I need to start looking around again. I'm not even sure who definitely currently holds the rights Fox or Disney, but does anybody know any agencies that I can submit my 301 page 'Alien Leviathan' screenplay to? Thank you.
Disney owns Fox.
Neither is going to read an unsolicited 301 page screenplay. Especially one based on an existing IP.
Nobody's going to read a 301 page spec script. Even if you submitted it to an agent, they'd just as soon dump it in the bin than even open the package when they felt how heavy it was.
I think the best you can hope for with fan work is uploading it online for no profit and seeing if the fanbase praises it.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2019, 07:25:46 AM
Nobody's going to read a 301 page spec script. Even if you submitted it to an agent, they'd just as soon dump it in the bin than even open the package when they felt how heavy it was.
This.
Unless you're an established screenwriter with an agent you have zero chance of somebody at Disney/Fox picking up a spec screenplay involving one of their IPs. Even then, the chance would be remote - like 0.1%.
Pretty much the only way Disney/Fox are going to read a spec for this franchise is if:
a) They open a contest and welcome pitches/submissions for a feature film (not going to happen)
b) You personally know a decision maker at Disney/Fox and can persuade them to take a glance at it (unlikely)
c) The actual script is perfection, it gets talked about and passed around through the fan community/social media and somehow catches the attention of the right person (good luck with that)
Just being realistic here Mark Swaine - if you enjoy writing and think you're capable enough then write something original not based on an existing IP and submit to screenwriting contests.
If you have an interesting enough story in your 301 page screenplay then just adapt it to an original story and remove any references to Alien. Also, definitely cut down your page count unless you plan on directing it yourself - 301 pages = a FIVE HOUR MOVIE (approx).
I think it's amusing that majority prefer to see Covenant sequel than anything else. And i think ending of Covenant was pretty tricky: even if you don't like movie in whole you still eager to know where it goes next.
Personally my favourite option was to see the Blomkamp film - especially after the concept art he shared. You can really tell he 'gets' the franchise and it would have been great to see Ripley and Hicks on screen again.
Seeing as that isn't going to happen, my preferred option would be any other sequel - perhaps a sequel to Resurrection but set on Earth.
I just have no desire to see a Covenant sequel, especially as it would likely conclude with a link to Alien. I'm done with the Engineers.
Ah, as per usual, polling always tells a different story, bring on the Covenant sequel; turn the weirdness and psychosexuality up to 11, Ridley, *slurp*.
One good Ridley Scott Prequel, a excellent prequel trilogy finale > Everything else.
Spoiler
Hopefully Ridley Scott and Denis Villeneuve create a 2/3-hour-epic final prequel revealing David's incorrect- the Alien's a Lovecraftian creation of the Space Jockey (The Engineers inherited SJ tech) and it leads to David's downfall.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 30, 2019, 07:41:52 PM
One good Ridley Scott Prequel, a excellent prequel trilogy finale > Everything else.
Spoiler
Hopefully Ridley Scott and Denis Villeneuve create a 2/3-hour-epic final prequel revealing David's incorrect- the Alien's a Lovecraftian creation of the Space Jockey (The Engineers inherited SJ tech) and it leads to David's downfall.
Works for me! That would be perfect.
I thought so. ;D
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 12, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
And i really would love to see scene in possible Covenant sequel where David will finally faces Engineers with his army of fleshy Xenos but they will use their own biomechanical Xenos against fleshy ones. I would love to see that universal upset on David's face in that moment when he will realise that in the end of the day he actually didn't create anything ;D.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 30, 2019, 07:41:52 PM
Hopefully Ridley Scott and Denis Villeneuve create a 2/3-hour-epic final prequel revealing David's incorrect- the Alien's a Lovecraftian creation of the Space Jockey (The Engineers inherited SJ tech) and it leads to David's downfall.
GODDAMMIT! YOU"VE STOLE MY THOUGHTS! ;D
Seriously, though i will be totally onboard with something like this^^^
I'm sorry, but continue this downwards trajectory with another David movie, have a third film that may even perform worse than Covenant, and end up killing the Alien film franchise for the unforeseeable future? No thanks.
Go away David.
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Haven't we thought that franchise killed after Alien 3? After Resurrection? After AvP movies? Point is that once profitable franchise sooner or later ALWAYS get continuation.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2019, 02:32:06 PM
I'm sorry, but continue this downwards trajectory with another David movie, have a third film that may even perform worse than Covenant, and end up killing the Alien film franchise for the unforeseeable future? No thanks.
Go away David.
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Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 02:40:31 PM
Haven't we thought that franchise killed after Alien 3? After Resurrection? After AvP movies? Point is that once profitable franchise sooner or later ALWAYS get continuation.
I never thought it was killed for the unforeseeable future after Alien3.
After Alien Resurrection, yes. And we had to wait 15 years for another solo Alien film. That's more waiting time than I want to endure again.
Sooo...
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2019, 02:32:06 PM
I'm sorry, but continue this downwards trajectory with another David movie, have a third film that may even perform worse than Covenant, and end up killing the Alien film franchise for the unforeseeable future? No thanks.
Go away David.
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But we still didn't see David in the Space Jockey suite, when he piloted and crashed Derelict.
If a Covenant sequel wraps up the David story and puts the franchise on hiatus for some time, so be it.
Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2019, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2019, 02:32:06 PM
I'm sorry, but continue this downwards trajectory with another David movie, have a third film that may even perform worse than Covenant, and end up killing the Alien film franchise for the unforeseeable future? No thanks.
Go away David.
(https://i.imgur.com/vpjf4Tx.gif?noredirect)
But we still didn't see David in the Space Jockey suite, when he piloted and crashed Derelict.
And he got chestbursted despite being an android? Well Ridley can just retcon that too. Aliens can impregnate synths if he wants.
David's final failure, a biological body reminiscent of the humans that he so detests, ultimately leading to his own creation defiling him and usurping his reign just as he did to his own creators.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 31, 2019, 02:56:38 PM
And he got chestbursted despite being an android?
Of course!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 31, 2019, 02:59:25 PM
David's final failure, a biological body reminiscent of the humans that he so detests, ultimately leading to his own creation defiling him and usurping his reign just as he did to his own creators.
Yep.
Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2019, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 31, 2019, 02:56:38 PM
And he got chestbursted despite being an android?
Of course!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 31, 2019, 02:59:25 PM
David's final failure, a biological body reminiscent of the humans that he so detests, ultimately leading to his own creation defiling him and usurping his reign just as he did to his own creators.
Yep.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 02:40:31 PM
Haven't we thought that franchise killed after Alien 3? After Resurrection? After AvP movies? Point is that once profitable franchise sooner or later ALWAYS get continuation.
I never thought it was killed for the unforeseeable future after Alien3.
After Alien Resurrection, yes. And we had to wait 15 years for another solo Alien film. That's more waiting time than I want to endure again.
Sooo...
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Reversed image on me? Tricky one!
It's tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time. It's tricky tricky tricky tricky!
;)
David needs to groin burst, to finally have a Willy.
Our boy David will finally become a man.
A rough Alien Prequel opening idea:
Very cool, I really like some aspects of this though if David is revealed to not be the true creator of the Xenomorph I don't think it should be at the start of the film.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 01, 2019, 01:57:00 AM
A rough Alien Prequel opening idea;
Spoiler
So spitballing, I'm really sick and I came up with this idea for an opening to the third/final Alien Prequel, I was thinking about the opening to Covenant and how much I loved that scene.
Here goes; A Fellowship of the Ring style opening;
We open on static, a television screen- we see Weyland soon after he created David, he starts speaking about the idea that David's going to help us conquer the stars before an interviewer asks him what his inspiration was for creating David, Weyland tries to think and visibly is upset and appears to be getting a headache before instantaneously becoming quite stoic and responding (paraphrasing) "I had a dream, of a utopia and then I had an insatiable desire to create... David." Auditorily we continue to hear this but visually the perspective shifts to "eons ago" (in the second or first galactic calendar day of the Big Bang let's say) A truly biomechanical world is shown, with Gash's Space Jockey (with a retractable "tube" from it's face) moving around the interior of what would become, the Derelict.
It shows the SJ in the chair, with a transparent visor lowering over it's head. It dreams. Whilst Peter Weyland narrates about how if humanity can't find a way to evolve we will go extinct within generations- it visually shows empty buildings of the SJ, with humongous dead corpses strewn around, with dead shrimp like children in the arms of many. They are worn away, they have been here for millennia still, they starved- there were far too many.
So remember those bizarre silo things that were cut from the original Alien and were down by the Eggs? Yeah, turns out they open.
It shows the silo/pod empty, full of water. The SJ goes to its' chair, and dreams- Peter Weyland monologues alongside the visual of the SJ dreaming, waking up and checking the pods, repeat. Peter Weyland talks about how he was overjoyed the first time he'd created David, David 1 but it was not correct. Whilist simultaneously we see the SJ lift a wriggling shrimp like creature alive- until it stops, lifeless. The SJ gently places it back inside the pod from whence it came. Peter Weyland talks about how he mourned for David 1, but persevered onwards to perfection. The SJ dreams again, in the dream the dead child slowly malforms and transforms into a Facehugger, a Queen Facehugger, an inner jaw pierces the vision.
The SJ awakens and walks forward to see one pod is open, the pod it placed the poor dead child back into. (Perhaps earlier it could've shown the SJ placing a seed of sorts into the Pod, inferring that it made a mistake by putting something dead in the Pod, instead of something alive. You can obviously parallel this with the embryos David is watching on the Covenant.) The SJ knows something is wrong. It leaves the dead homeworld, and is chestbursted. It crashes on LV-426.
You could end the prologue here, or here's a little extra.
We see what we assume are human explorers, and in a way- they are, up close they are revealed to the audience as the pigmentless humanoids known to the audience as the Engineers. With an aesthetic all their own, with parts of the SJ aesthetic creeping in- we see an elder Engineer kneel and the only subtitled line in the whole opening is spoken.
"A Primordial One."
A younger Engineer, very much like the Last Engineer from Prometheus' ending walks along the interior of the Derelict, opening the pods with a gentle touch as he moves along. All are empty, except one at back of the large chair. Already open, he insert (A gloved hand) into the fluids. And lifts a particle onto his finger, says nothing and the camera exactly mirrors the framing of David's famous line, big things have small beginnings.
Wow! Amazing! I like the idea about transforming (or I should say - transmorfing) a dead corpse into a new grotesque lifeform. Really very alieny.
I enjoy the idea that the Alien is living death, so that's where that idea comes from. It's sorta a thing that had to pierce reality itself to exist.