Ridley implies Alien: Covenant will be "hard R" rated with a scene that'll be more severe than Kane's chest burst!
Approx 2:40 mark.
I'm so excited for this >:(
Insane
Sounds like he's also been doing location scouting on New Zealand's South Isle for Alien: Covenant?
Very nice find. I checked for Alien: Covenant news from the awards yesterday but didn't see anything. :-\ Should have checked again today. Just writing it up now.
Good to hear. Fox wanted Prometheus to be PG-13, but end up being rated R. Had Prometheus got rid of some of the violent scenes then it would been PG-13. I just hope the story is good.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Very nice find. I checked for Alien: Covenant news from the awards yesterday but didn't see anything. :-\ Should have checked again today. Just writing it up now.
Thanks! Admittedly I was curious for any news and watched a couple of random post-award interviews on YouTube to see if there were any new nuggets of Alien info, and here one was :)
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 14, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
Good to hear. Fox wanted Prometheus to be PG-13, but end up being rated R. Had Prometheus got rid of some of the violent scenes then it would been PG-13. I just hope the story is good.
To be fair to Prometheus, that medpod scene is pretty good.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 14, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
Good to hear. Fox wanted Prometheus to be PG-13, but end up being rated R. Had Prometheus got rid of some of the violent scenes then it would been PG-13. I just hope the story is good.
To be fair to Prometheus, that medpod scene is pretty good.
But it wasn't scary for most of us. He should have went with the violent extraction where she practically dies on the table before being saved by the med pod. Then again that might have been taking it too far for today's sensitive audience.
Still I like hearing that A:C will be a hard R movie and that he will try to out do the chestburster scene... dude. :P
It is good news but also makes me a little wary, I feel he shouldn't be trying to compete with the chestburster scene.
Well...he said before Prometheus came out "I'm going to scare the shit out of you!" and failed pretty much on that...
...the med pod scene started good, then became meh once saw generic squid..
...Fifield was a radioactive mutant-zombie...felt so out of place...the snakes, didn't care much for them...
..the unknown was scary though, the living Engineer what he might do, react, say...the last part was cut out, so bad decision...
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 14, 2016, 09:23:56 PM
Still I like hearing that A:C will be a hard R movie and that he will try to out do the chestburster scene... dude. :P
That made me laugh. :laugh:
Quote from: 420Buddy on Jan 14, 2016, 09:50:44 PM
It is good news but also makes me a little wary, I feel he shouldn't be trying to compete with the chestburster scene.
If he can one-up that, I'll be impressed.
The way to do that is to not sell it.
The reason that scene is so damn effective is it's part of a generally believable series of events that is built up over several scenes forming the spine of the first act of the story, and when it happens on a first viewing you don't actually know what's happening.
Violating the body in a way that would over-do Kane's birth... I really don't know how you pull that off, exactly, but I do know it has to be done with a lot of atmosphere to be very effective.
It's most effective if you watch these movies as intended. The slow build up is one thing but the chestburster scene has become staple for this series.
Also don't forget when this movie was released audiences weren't expecting it. 'ALIEN' followed on the tail of 'Star Wars'. People not forewarned in 1979 were expecting a nice pleasant space romp with light swords and fast action. Instead, they got a moody slow paced movie that featured a fanged penis that erupted out of its victims chest at the halfway mark.
So yes. People had good reason to respond strongly to 'ALIEN' back in 1979. There was nothing like it. It was unique and its surprise and intensity can never be repeated.
Casual Saturday night audiences now will just say "Oh look. It's another 'ALIEN' movie. Let's go see some poor chap get shredded from the inside!" It's expected.
The big surprise will be an 'ALIEN' movie that lacks such a scene, where those grisly events happen off screen. It can be done. After all it was done most effectively recently in 'ALIEN: Isolation'.
The fact is, chestbursting has become passe and cliche in this series.
-Windebieste.
It doesn't neccessarily have to be another "chestburst" scene. Personally, I'd like a better realization of black goo or biomechanical transformation. That has the potential to be a real disturbing body horror scene.
It's definitely the whole concept of 'one-upping' that makes some of us wary. I mean you could do, say, "this time, it bursts out of his [you-know-what]!" Would that be worse? Definitely. But would that make it 'better' than the chestburster? Well, that all depends on the story surrounding the event.
Nastier isn't necessarily better, as AvP:R demonstrated so crudely...
Body needs to make a comeback. It's really the only horror that gives me any kind of chills. Is he saying it will be an 18 or a 15 classification for us Brits? I hope the former. It will decrease the budget but they can be more daring with what they get.
"its going to be that but much worse" this sounds great.
I think everybody can agree that Ridley held back the graphic violence in Prometheus. Not saying that gore is good or necessary but you know, sometimes you just need to have the shit scared out of yea with good old horror. I agree that it can't one up the chestburster scene, nor does he have too but thinking back on what the med pod scene was supposed to have been like. That would have shocked the f**k out of me. Seeing squiddles let itself out and Shaw appearing to die on the table to only then have the MedPod go to work saving her life like a GOD in the workshop. It didn't have to even be as bloody as the chestburster scene to have been tense and amazing. The Claw just didn't do it. I wanted to see that bipolar surgery mumbo jumbo.
Still guys lets be honest, it's be a long while since anyone's gotten exploded by an alien. I for one want to see what they can come up with. Eh that engineer didn't count. Dude was already dead. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
It doesn't neccessarily have to be another "chestburst" scene. Personally, I'd like a better realization of black goo or biomechanical transformation. That has the potential to be a real disturbing body horror scene.
Something slower would honestly be more effectively.
There's an episode of Star Trek Voyager where they introduce an alien species called "Species 8472" and during the first encounter with this species, one of the crew get's smacked in the chest by the creature. He then spends the rest of the episode in sickbay, slowly being digested/transformed by the alien cells that infected the wound. No treatments work, and the alien cells are actually keeping him alive. So he's fully aware of what is happening and suffers the fullness of the agony.
Something along those lines might be the better way to go. Xenogene infestation. Slowly having your body reworked and repurposed. A little David Cronenburgs "The Fly." Some of the final stages could be total mental breakdown/madness, and then the final cocoon phase.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 15, 2016, 12:41:48 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
It doesn't neccessarily have to be another "chestburst" scene. Personally, I'd like a better realization of black goo or biomechanical transformation. That has the potential to be a real disturbing body horror scene.
Something along those lines might be the better way to go. Xenogene infestation. Slowly having your body reworked and repurposed. A little David Cronenburgs "The Fly." Some of the final stages could be total mental breakdown/madness, and then the final cocoon phase.
They had the massive potential to go that way with both Holloway AND Fifield. They could have had great character archs where they turned from douchbags into sympathetic characters that the audience felt sorry for.
I don't think going for something grosser or more violent than the chestburster scene is necessarily a good idea. If you're doing it because it is a part of the story, do it. If you're trying to shock me, don't bother.
Consider this, the pregnant lady's encounter with Chet basically takes the idea to another gruesome level. And it is one of the worst parts of the film AVPR. Why go there? I just don't think that is where the appeal of the Alien films is anymore.
Ridley says:
"I always remember walking down the edge in Saint Louis when we were previewing [Alien]. I couldn't sit through the film one more time. I walked down the edge into the kitchen scene when John Hurt started to bring up his breakfast. That moment, I realized how pretty scary the film was... I felt a sense of responsibility that I had gone too far because it was extreme. I'm going to try and do that again this year, but much worse."
:o
Here's mud in your eye!
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 15, 2016, 12:41:48 AM
There's an episode of Star Trek Voyager where they introduce an alien species called "Species 8472" and during the first encounter with this species, one of the crew get's smacked in the chest by the creature. He then spends the rest of the episode in sickbay, slowly being digested/transformed by the alien cells that infected the wound. No treatments work, and the alien cells are actually keeping him alive. So he's fully aware of what is happening and suffers the fullness of the agony.
It's funny because I was thinking about the revamped Borg assimilation in First Contact. That freaked the shit out of me as a kid. I'd like something like that with the intensity x 1000. The image of all that metal slowly taking over someone.
Sounds great, but i'm still sceptical about the whole "Hard R" thing.
With a reported budget of 150 Million it's hard to believe FOX will go with an R Rating, especially since Prometheus didn't set the boxoffice on fire.
I still remember Ridley in 2011 saying "I want to scare the living shit out of the audience", well... that was exactly what was missing in the first movie, and de-Alien it and putting in a giant octopus and bold muscular dudes didn't really help it either.
This one has Alien in the title, so i'm expecting something in the way and style of the first movie, and not some pseudo religious bullshit, that pretended too hard to be something else and in the end pleased no one.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
This one has Alien in the title, so i'm expecting something in the way and style of the first movie, and not some pseudo religious bullshit, that pretended too hard to be something else and in the end pleased no one.
I sincerely hope we get something more than that this time around.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 14, 2016, 11:24:47 PMIt's definitely the whole concept of 'one-upping' that makes some of us wary. I mean you could do, say, "this time, it bursts out of his [you-know-what]!" Would that be worse? Definitely. But would that make it 'better' than the chestburster? Well, that all depends on the story surrounding the event.
Nastier isn't necessarily better, as AvP:R demonstrated so crudely...
Was thinking exactly this.
What's the Deadpool budget? That's Fox right and an R?
It seems studios at the moment are keen to put their chips on the table with some of these franchises and just do things right for the material.
I do hope they go for a Hard R / 18 certificate. That's what the franchise should be
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 15, 2016, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
With a reported budget of 150 Million
Source?
I read that in an article somewhere, don't know where it was. It sure isn't a fact, but his latest movies where all around 100 Million, and PG-13.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 15, 2016, 12:20:11 PM
What's the Deadpool budget? That's Fox right and an R?
Around $50 Million
because of the R-Rating, otherwise no greenlit, according to Reynolds.
In comparison to the other big studios, Fox had a pretty shitty year at the boxoffice, i can't see them doing risks at the Moment.
I can see Alien Covenant being R, but they will surely cut the Budget for that.
Not true. Look at the original Alien Trailer in '79. That Trailer alone was freaky. People knew FULL WELL that this movie was NOTHING like Star Wars. They were expecting a Murder in Space Thriller. But you are correct, that they still were NOT expecting anything like what they got. The Face Hugger and Chest Burster are what made that movie. More-so than all the full grown alien scenes afterwards. There's something creepy that disturbs us when you are talking about animals violating a persons digestive system. It's just flat out creepy...To but it bluntly, Mother Nature in Space saying..HERE!...EAT THIS !!!!!!!
The problem here is that you can easily TRY to top that, but it doesn't mean you will. What made Alien so freaky was that it was the first time that happened. That was why it was shocking. We're all desensitized to the chestburster now. We now have a "children's book" about that entire Alien reproductive process. Are yo kidding me?
AVP:R proved that taking things to the next level does not necessarily give the desired result. Prometheus did the same thing. The whole idea of something growing inside of Shaw and then later the Engineer, fell rather flat. That wasn't the best part of that film. If Ridley is trying to one up the chestburster scene, then I'm not sure he understands his own creation.
I do think the medpod scene was probably the best of prometheus but it lacked any real terror, atleast for me.
The medpod scene was just gross as opposed to horrifying.
That's exactly it. The medpod scene was gross. Superbly so. But it was neither scary nor horrifying.
Now the trailer for Prometheus was terrifying, I wish we had gotten that movie instead. I can still watch that trailer and get excited lol
Quote from: Astronoë on Jan 14, 2016, 09:53:43 PM
Well...he said before Prometheus came out "I'm going to scare the shit out of you!" and failed pretty much on that...
...the med pod scene started good, then became meh once saw generic squid..
...Fifield was a radioactive mutant-zombie...felt so out of place...the snakes, didn't care much for them...
..the unknown was scary though, the living Engineer what he might do, react, say...the last part was cut out, so bad decision...
That's my sentiment, too. He made no attempt to hide that '
Prometheus' was going to be his one, true attempt to better the fear factor of '
Alien' and failed. He wasn't even just referencing that there would supposedly be a scene which would be more nightmarish than the chestburster eruption, but Lambert's disturbing death scene, too.
Fifield's death?
Ehhh... Lambert's was far more unsettling and we still don't know what happened. Embryonic extraction? Not exactly revolutionary (and, rightly, came across as a little stupid to people who have any kind of actual medical knowledge).
So, no, I'm not convinced. He said he'd "scare the shit" out of us and didn't even get close to that. It'll probably just be on the same level if he thought that stuff was terrifying.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Jan 15, 2016, 04:04:39 PM
Now the trailer for Prometheus was terrifying, I wish we had gotten that movie instead. I can still watch that trailer and get excited lol
I wonder who was responsible for editing that together.
Here's the thing. The whole idea of "ALIEN" is the fear of the unknown. Walking into the derelict for the first time was scary, because that was Alien, and unknowable. Everything else that happened in the film fell into that category.
But in Prometheus, it was knowable and hence not scary. And it won't be scary in Alien Covenant either if Ridley is going for the same thing again.
I'm trying to think back, and I think the only scary thing in Prometheus was that moment when Fifield and the other dude were hanging out in the pyramid and there was the ping. The knowledge that there was something alive in there with them, and knowing that it was most likely NOT the same old Alien made it frightening.
Only if Ridley makes the new thing unknowable, and truly Alien he may succeed, but even if it is amazingly well done and gross, that will not accomplish anything if it is a repeat of past horrors.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 15, 2016, 03:52:29 PM
That's exactly it. The medpod scene was gross. Superbly so. But it was neither scary nor horrifying.
Yes exactly. Not at all scary, but really intense and beautifully executed. Prometheus is not a horror film, definitely sci-fi/adventure.
One of the best times of the movie with the opening, the storm, the visit of the pyramid, and the whole sequence of the juggernaut.
Maybe the script is disappointing but visually it's genius movie, and is spectacularly out of this world.
Just wanted to clarify my position. There is nothing wrong with hard-R. It needs to be hard-R. I just don't need to see a gratuitous gross-out pretending to be something scary. It's 2015, and people should know the difference by now between gross and scary. Between disgusting and horrific.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2016, 04:09:12 PM
That's my sentiment, too. He made no attempt to hide that 'Prometheus' was going to be his one, true attempt to better the fear factor of 'Alien' and failed. He wasn't even just referencing that there would supposedly be a scene which would be more nightmarish than the chestburster eruption, but Lambert's disturbing death scene, too.
Fifield's death? Ehhh... Lambert's was far more unsettling and we still don't know what happened. Embryonic extraction? Not exactly revolutionary (and, rightly, came across as a little stupid to people who have any kind of actual medical knowledge).
And the reason Lambert's death is so effective isn't just that we only see before the murder and then a very vague shot of the aftermath... It's because (on the whole, I know some people think she's annoying) we cared about her. She was unsettled from the moment they landed, and it just winds up and get's worse and worse right until it reaches an absolute fever-pitch with her death. That poor woman.
I could give two shits about Fifield. His first scene paints him as a mercenary dick. The next scene we see him in he's getting freaked out over a dead body, then he's the one getting lost even though he's got a freaking map, then he's getting high... I just... Uah-what!?
Quote from: Lando on Jan 15, 2016, 02:45:11 PM
Not true. Look at the original Alien Trailer in '79. That Trailer alone was freaky. People knew FULL WELL that this movie was NOTHING like Star Wars. They were expecting a Murder in Space Thriller. But you are correct, that they still were NOT expecting anything like what they got. The Face Hugger and Chest Burster are what made that movie. More-so than all the full grown alien scenes afterwards. There's something creepy that disturbs us when you are talking about animals violating a persons digestive system. It's just flat out creepy...To but it bluntly, Mother Nature in Space saying..HERE!...EAT THIS !!!!!!!
Well, irl insects are way way worse than anything the xenomorph does..
...what bothered me about the movie Alien, I can't just forgive is that Ripley finds the Alien, has time to put on space suit n play around with her lap top to blow it out of the ship...it just laid down on its ass until Ripley gave it the boot..wtf is that about?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 15, 2016, 04:28:09 PM
Here's the thing. The whole idea of "ALIEN" is the fear of the unknown. Walking into the derelict for the first time was scary, because that was Alien, and unknowable. Everything else that happened in the film fell into that category.
But in Prometheus, it was knowable and hence not scary.
Because Engineers are revealed in the very first scene...so stupid..that's like showing the grown Xenomorph in the first scene of Alien..
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 14, 2016, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 14, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
Good to hear. Fox wanted Prometheus to be PG-13, but end up being rated R. Had Prometheus got rid of some of the violent scenes then it would been PG-13. I just hope the story is good.
To be fair to Prometheus, that medpod scene is pretty good.
But it wasn't scary for most of us. He should have went with the violent extraction where she practically dies on the table before being saved by the med pod. Then again that might have been taking it too far for today's sensitive audience.
Still I like hearing that A:C will be a hard R movie and that he will try to out do the chestburster scene... dude. :P
I don't think todays audience is more sensitive, Its the opposite. people to day are very desensitised from the internet and games, Things that were considered pornographic or violent 40 years ago is kiddy stuff today, Its only because they want more people to see the movie so lowering the rating makes it more accessible.
i wanted a bit more terror in prometheus but you know? i always get chills when i watch the movie, and nope, the script isnt bad, everytime you watch it you understand new things about the movie and what is happening, though im excited about the sequel from everything that has been revealed
And that will just be for effect. It will please people more if it's rated 18/R. But it won't deserve that rating. 'Prometheus' had a number of disgusting deaths and transformations so I'm not sure how it really gets more disturbing than that unless it's an all out torture film.
I'd really rather it just be a good film (well I'd rather it weren't made at all but apparently things can't be left alone) than concentrate on being a shocking film.
^ I wrote that before reading the article. "Prometheus received an R classification in the USA, most notably due to the scene in which Noomi Rapace's Shaw removes the Trilobite from within herself."
Ah. Well here in the UK it's rated 15. And the most disturbing scene to me is the acid-snake/worm scene.
Quote from: Astronoë on Jan 15, 2016, 10:05:32 PM
...what bothered me about the movie Alien, I can't just forgive is that Ripley finds the Alien, has time to put on space suit n play around with her lap top to blow it out of the ship...it just laid down on its ass until Ripley gave it the boot..wtf is that about?
The intent back then was that the Alien was dying. It was lethargic because it was nearing the end of its life.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jan 16, 2016, 02:27:11 AM
I don't think todays audience is more sensitive, Its the opposite. people to day are very desensitised from the internet and games, Things that were considered pornographic or violent 40 years ago is kiddy stuff today
I completely agree. I used to turn away from the screen when the hugger made its move or when the chestburster was born. Not anymore. The last time a screen in a film had any effect like that on me was in the remake of Evil Dead.
I can see Ridley dusting off the "Sexburster" scene for this movie.
Testicle burster ftw
Quote from: Astronoë on Jan 15, 2016, 10:05:32 PM
Well, irl insects are way way worse than anything the xenomorph does.
I agree; wasps paralyze tarantulas but don't numb them, so they feel every bit of the larva eating away at them. Carnivorous plants are also incredibly creepy; imagine being slowly digested by something like this:
Earth creatures and plants can indeed be very cruel. Great book on the subject:
Mother Nature is Trying to Kill You
By Dan Riskin
Yeah, remember when the Brothers Strause proclaimed that AVP: Requiem was going to be R-rated? Not impressed or intrigued in the least bit.
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Jan 18, 2016, 12:22:23 AM
Yeah, remember when the Brothers Strause proclaimed that AVP: Requiem was going to be R-rated? Not impressed or intrigued in the least bit.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 15, 2016, 08:15:11 PM
Just wanted to clarify my position. There is nothing wrong with hard-R. It needs to be hard-R. I just don't need to see a gratuitous gross-out pretending to be something scary. It's 2015, and people should know the difference by now between gross and scary. Between disgusting and horrific.
I don't believe a rating is any sign that a movie is worth its weight in salt. Gross =/= scary. ALIEN worked because you weren't entirely sure what was happening... something has attached itself to Kane... it looks like it's feeding him oxygen.....this sunnovabitch is HUGE... a cloud of mystery throughout the film which made you fill in gaps in your own mind to help figure out what it was/what was happening. The Jockey is another such example. Lambert's death. Ash's behavior leading up to his reveal. The cloud of mystery was just right in Alien and made for a truly terrifying movie. Obviously watching it multiple times decreases this but it also enhances your appreciation for it.
For those that didn't watch my video, the shorthand version is I believe there's no need to try to "one-up" ALIEN, make it gory-er, more chaotic, whatever Scott is claiming. Make a film that compliments the movie from a prequel position.
Bottom line is you will never make a movie better than ALIEN in that universe. ALIENS is a close runner-up but nothing stands quite like ALIEN.
....And why did you quote me?
I don't think the rating really says anything about quality. I think it's just more of an indication of violence or intensity and it's just a small re-assurance because of AvP. Everyone seems wary of the ratings now because of AvP.
Of course, it's all going to rely on having a solid foundation and script behind it.
While a hard R is perhaps welcome news, I really, really hope the film isnt overly gory. AVP Requiem was basically all gore and no substance.
What made Alien great in my eyes was edge of your seat moments, unexpected events, and a xenomorph that was shaped and colored to blend in and camoflage itself with the ship interior. Masquerading as tubes and pipes, hiding amongst pulley chains etc...
It would be interesting to see the alien chestburst in a different unexpected way. Like say if it no longer bursts from the chest but somehow explodes from a human hosts hand, using the fingers to crawl away while it evolves. While that is a bit going into The Thing territory, something like that i would think would warrant having some gore if it furthers the plot and adds the element of surprise.
M Night Shyamalans Signs, although gimmicky and hitchcockian, had more edge of your seat moments than all of prometheus in my view. And accomplished with minimal gore.
He's gonna have to do something really disturbing if he wants to top the chest burst scene, especially with how desensitized people are today.
Hard R doesn't sound good to me. Gore isn't scary anymore. I mean, stuff we see on TV these days is super gory and it is safe to say that most of us have gotten used to it, which is sad.
Something that is timelessly scary is the unknown. Not knowing what happened to people is scary. Giving a hint, or showing traces of what happened is even scarier. Giving conflicting hints/traces about what happened is the scariest of them all. Also, gorging in dissonant sounds and audio, imposing suspense and haunting uncertainty will take you to places that scares you on a really disturbing level. Alien has all the potential. The movie makers just have to take a few steps back and treat and portray the Alien in a new way. We know about the chestbursting, headbiting and facehuggers already; just like the rest of you've said, that stuff really doesn't have to show up in the film - suggesting that it happened has a much bigger effect because it lets us imagining what happened, and imagining to be chestbursted, head-bitten or facehugged will always be more horrifying due to our own imagination. I really hope that the delve into new concepts and elaborate more on the Alien, making it alien and unpredictable again. Scott better show us some Egg-Morphing and he better not drop the ball on that one since it's such a horrifying concept.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 18, 2016, 11:09:56 PMScott better show us some Egg-Morphing and he better not drop the ball on that one since it's such a horrifying concept.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he did include egg-morphing. Sometimes, he'll refer to some 'amazing, unexpected' thing which turns out to be something us fans already know all about. Do you recall that interview where he 'spoiled' the opening of Blade Runner 2? The spinner lands at an isolated farm house, the blade runner goes inside, sits down, waits for the farmer to come home? The farmer comes home, the blade runner shoots him, and pulls the farmer's jaw out? The jaw is made of steel and has an identification number stamped on it?
That was the original opening for Blade Runner. :D
Hard R also means it can have adult themes. It more than just bad words, sex and violence. In any case it has to since I have this suspicion Ridley's going to go full HP Lovecraft in either this movie or the next one.
About Time , It means no restrictions to the story line and visionally ..
I kinda doubt Riddles would go too far with torture porn-style gore. It's not his style. His films typically have plenty of violence but it's never overly disgusting and often effectively shocking (that head-crush scene in Blade Runner springs to mind, or the leg surgery in Black Hawk Down).
As whiterabbit points out, R also means more than just claret.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 19, 2016, 09:02:50 AM
I kinda doubt Riddles would go too far with torture porn-style gore. It's not his style. His films typically have plenty of violence but it's never overly disgusting and often effectively shocking (that head-crush scene in Blade Runner springs to mind, or the leg surgery in Black Hawk Down).
I doubt it would be something Saw-style. Like you, I've always found his films to content scenes that are quite intense with some manner of gore. It's that kind of thing I'm hoping to see repeated here.
Or the Martian. The opening scene in that made me feel a lot more uncomfortable than most R-rated horror films with much more straightforward gore.
This really comes down to good judgment on the part of the director. The r-rating provides the best framework for making an Alien movie because if the plot demands it, then a "disturbing" scene can be visually accommodated. That doesn't mean it has to be a gore-fest. I hope Ridley Scott has learned from the mistakes of other directors in the franchise and doesn't do something that is really disgusting pretending to be scary or horrific.
If you read up on what PG13 does to horror, according to the MPAA scenes cannot muster up intensity or dread for any sustained period. To me, this is both vague and frustrating.
I can't understand the conditions for that, unless we are talking about some horror-elements and not a horror film IE something like GREMLINS or TEMPLE OF DOOM. But dread and intensity are hallmarks of good horror.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jan 19, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
If you read up on what PG13 does to horror, according to the MPAA scenes cannot muster up intensity or dread for any sustained period. To me, this is both vague and frustrating.
I can't understand the conditions for that, unless we are talking about some horror-elements and not a horror film IE something like GREMLINS or TEMPLE OF DOOM. But dread and intensity are hallmarks of good horror.
A good example would be the scene in The Fly where Seth Brundle is working with the computer to figure out what has happened, and it is revealed that his DNA was recombined with The Fly. The horror/dread of that scene carries on throughout the scenes that follow. Something like that would probably be deemed "too intense" for the PG-13 audience.
Basically, it neuters horror. Modern, general audience, horror is basically limited to jump scares, and quick shock moments.
Look, I'll take it as a very positive step in the right direction that this is being laid down pre-production. So now the head is screwed on, no pun intended, let's make this a career defining work Sir Ridley! What I can't understand about the statement is that he's a master film maker, so why is he hinging the notion of a good horror flick around a gore scene. Horror is the genre, terror is what it creates. Hitchcock was a master of terror, but I can't imagine him talking about films like the Psycho or Birds in terms of a stand-out gore scene to create the terror you feel when you watch them, even the shower scene (movie history) is terrifying more in what you're left to imagine is happening but not seeing rather than its bloody gore. In abstract i feel that there is a lot in common with the feelings you go through living out the movies through the great cast in both of these films with Alien I would liken to Psycho or the Birds (Aliens). Maybe Ridley doesn't want to go the extra mile and make great art ... I'm not sure if he's just going to be happy with good enough, but I expect more from him given his oeuvre. But overall, very happy that he's laying down this marker to the suits about the sort of artist freedom he wants.
I remember in the blue ray of Prometheus Sir Ridley talked about playing a joke on Kate Dickie when she's checking out the body of Milburn, i.e., she's not told that the snake thing will jump out. I bet on a cold filming day when she's worrying about nailing her lines, being in the presence of a director megastar then this snake thing suddenly jumps out she got a real shock. It makes me think why didn't Sir Ridley inject this sort of fun playfulness into Prometheus itself: the way a cat terrorises a mouse. Maybe he should take that creativity with him into how to scare us and forget about some gore scene that might look better in a b movie.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2016, 09:40:15 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jan 19, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
If you read up on what PG13 does to horror, according to the MPAA scenes cannot muster up intensity or dread for any sustained period. To me, this is both vague and frustrating.
I can't understand the conditions for that, unless we are talking about some horror-elements and not a horror film IE something like GREMLINS or TEMPLE OF DOOM. But dread and intensity are hallmarks of good horror.
A good example would be the scene in The Fly where Seth Brundle is working with the computer to figure out what has happened, and it is revealed that his DNA was recombined with The Fly. The horror/dread of that scene carries on throughout the scenes that follow. Something like that would probably be deemed "too intense" for the PG-13 audience.
Basically, it neuters horror. Modern, general audience, horror is basically limited to jump scares, and quick shock moments.
Indeed. Effective horror requires certain scenes to unfold slowly without cheap jump scares thrown in merely for the sake of it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2016, 08:06:49 PM
Sounds like he's also been doing location scouting on New Zealand's South Isle for Alien: Covenant?
News Hub New Zealand has also picked-up on this possibility:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/entertainment/could-ridley-scott-bring-alien-to-nz-2016020415#axzz3zAIpJIo1 (http://www.newshub.co.nz/entertainment/could-ridley-scott-bring-alien-to-nz-2016020415#axzz3zAIpJIo1)
Fjordland National park on the South Island:
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 04, 2016, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2016, 08:06:49 PM
Sounds like he's also been doing location scouting on New Zealand's South Isle for Alien: Covenant?
News Hub New Zealand has also picked-up on this possibility:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/entertainment/could-ridley-scott-bring-alien-to-nz-2016020415#axzz3zAIpJIo1 (http://www.newshub.co.nz/entertainment/could-ridley-scott-bring-alien-to-nz-2016020415#axzz3zAIpJIo1)
Fjordland National park on the South Island:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.c.photoshelter.com%2Fimg-get2%2FI0000U4z0kYbKmUk%2Ffit%3D1000x750%2FMilfordS-2904.jpg&hash=e7d93e868c9b8fa34792d28f0ea1811bcfbea59b)
Oh I went to that Fjord. Amazing place!
Seems like Scott is going for a Paradise paradise that I'm guessing was poisoned by a dark Gigeresque biology.
New Zealand really is an obscenely beautiful country.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 04, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
Oh I went to that Fjord. Amazing place!
It is indeed! Many outdoor scenes from Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was filmed there.
If I were looking for "monumental rock" and "monumental forests" that would be my first stop.
It looks so damn idyllic. I think it'd make a beautiful paradise world.
Even better, New Zealand has penguins. You can't beat that. :P
As long as they're not giant, 6-foot tall albino penguins.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 05, 2016, 07:14:00 PM
As long as they're not giant, 6-foot tall albino penguins.
I don't know about that... you do remember what eats those 6-foot tall albino penguins right? It's right up Alien's alley.
Also didn't anyone for a moment think that we're all miss-interpreting Ridely's definition of Hard R... he could mean that it'll be a Hard Romance!
You know how this sounds to me? Let's compensate our mediocre movie with mindless gore.
And of course, it will not top the tension of Kane's chestburster scene. Scott reminds me more and more of Peter Molyneux. Stop telling things you can't accomplish. ::)
You can't top the original chestburster. Aliens films are more about exploring the perilous and wonderous mysteries of the universe now. The new fim does need a new surprise, but it should be more in the sense of a revelation than a more gross chest bursting scene.
Btw, penguins entered the aliens universe in the first AVP film... ;D
Actually, the birth scene in Prometheus was a good one for me and almost no blood was needed for it. My toes prickled, because i can't watch birth scenes anyway. ;D Also Fifield would have been so much creepier with his original mutated appearance. He could have been the actual terrifying monster in this movie but they wasted it. ;D
I loved the medpod scene too. I thought it was great.
I loved the medpod scene, was done very well even if it wasn't very scary. The fifieild scene could have been so awesome, needed to be less frantic with more terror plus
the CGI design.
The medpod scene was alright. The general idea is stronger than the execution I think.
The end of it is pretty damn stupid. Shaw just rips the cord out of herself? Oh, yeah, that won't cause massive internal bleeding and kill you, and the notion of just stapling a wound like that shut and being able to do... Anything at all, is just silly.
Whatever they have in store, I just hope that the script is solid.
The medpod scene would have been great if Shaw died on the table. Everything after using the claw to remove the beastie failed hard. I can buy the running in a straight line because they were running downhill and in fact they both took a 90 degree turn down hill but not with that wound. Some extra blood would have helped sell it. I wish a little more effort was put into it. All it did was spray, zap and staple. It needed to be more complicated than that, in my opinion.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 06, 2016, 02:59:26 PM
Btw, penguins entered the aliens universe in the first AVP film... ;D
A xeno-penguin... now that would have been something.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 07, 2016, 03:58:54 AM
The medpod scene would have been great if Shaw died on the table. Everything after using the claw to remove the beastie failed hard. I can buy the running in a straight line because they were running downhill and in fact they both took a 90 degree turn down hill but not with that wound. Some extra blood would have helped sell it. I wish a little more effort was put into it. All it did was spray, zap and staple. It needed to be more complicated than that, in my opinion.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 06, 2016, 02:59:26 PM
Btw, penguins entered the aliens universe in the first AVP film... ;D
A xeno-penguin... now that would have been something.
You mean a xeno in a suit? That's obviously what a xeno-penguin would be..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 07, 2016, 04:24:51 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 07, 2016, 03:58:54 AM
The medpod scene would have been great if Shaw died on the table. Everything after using the claw to remove the beastie failed hard. I can buy the running in a straight line because they were running downhill and in fact they both took a 90 degree turn down hill but not with that wound. Some extra blood would have helped sell it. I wish a little more effort was put into it. All it did was spray, zap and staple. It needed to be more complicated than that, in my opinion.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 06, 2016, 02:59:26 PM
Btw, penguins entered the aliens universe in the first AVP film... ;D
A xeno-penguin... now that would have been something.
You mean a xeno in a suit? That's obviously what a xeno-penguin would be..
Now I'm imagining a xeno with penguin feet and arms. Oh that thing would be so cute.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 05, 2016, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 05, 2016, 07:14:00 PM
As long as they're not giant, 6-foot tall albino penguins.
I don't know about that... you do remember what eats those 6-foot tall albino penguins right? It's right up Alien's alley.
Also didn't anyone for a moment think that we're all miss-interpreting Ridely's definition of Hard R... he could mean that it'll be a Hard Romance!
Glad someone got the reference. :)
Not sure if this could have anything to do with Alien: Covenant or whether it's for one of Scott's myriad other projects?
https://twitter.com/tilburyboy/status/699979584159272961 (https://twitter.com/tilburyboy/status/699979584159272961)
I recall a few months ago someone claimed that Scott Free was doing location scouting for Covenant at Dunluce Castle.
Apparently he also had dinner with Leonardo DiCaprio last night. Could it be for a possible role in Covenant or another upcoming film?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 17, 2016, 07:07:50 PM
Apparently he also had dinner with Leonardo DiCaprio last night. Could it be for a possible role in Covenant or another upcoming film?
I certainly hope not...
I hope not. I can't usually stand DiCaprio.
DiCaprio getting chestbursted is intriguing, never the less perhaps a love interest for fassbender. Shit DiCaprio could play a decent robot.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 17, 2016, 07:07:50 PMApparently he also had dinner with Leonardo DiCaprio last night. Could it be for a possible role in Covenant or another upcoming film?
I bet my monies on Bladerunner.
I really like DiCaprio, but for some reason I don't think he'd be right for Alien.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 17, 2016, 07:07:50 PM
Not sure if this could have anything to do with Alien: Covenant or whether it's for one of Scott's myriad other projects?
https://twitter.com/tilburyboy/status/699979584159272961 (https://twitter.com/tilburyboy/status/699979584159272961)
I recall a few months ago someone claimed that Scott Free was doing location scouting for Covenant at Dunluce Castle.
Yeah, someone claimed on Twitter that they said they were scouting for Prometheus 2.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2016, 08:38:54 AM
I really like DiCaprio, but for some reason I don't think he'd be right for Alien.
He's too big name for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2016, 08:38:54 AM
I really like DiCaprio, but for some reason I don't think he'd be right for Alien.
He's too big name for me.
Apart from maybe Fassbender, they don't really have a star studded cast yet as was the case with Prometheus.
While I would personally prefer a cast of unknowns, you can't really mount a film with a budget north of $100 million without any big names attached. DiCaprio is currently hot in Hollywood after The Revenant's success. Might even be in line for an Oscar later this month.
He might not be ideal for an Alien film but at least he can act.
Mixed emotions about DiCaprio. I still have "I'm the king of the world" ringing in my ears, but, he kind of won me over with Inception. He is captivating and compelling on screen. I would be cautiously optimistic about him being cast, which is exactly how one should regard any upcoming Alien film.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 18, 2016, 02:16:44 PM
While I would personally prefer a cast of unknowns, ....
Same, ideally, provided they have this unexplainable
aura I feel some actors had in the previous movies, which fitted so well the Alienverse. Regardless the role they were given. For example :
'
Alien' : Tom Skerritt as
Dallas'
Aliens' : Sigourney Weaver as
Ripley, Carrie Henn as
Newt'
Alien 3' : Charles Dance as
Jonathan Clemens'
Alien Ressurection' : Michael Wincott as
Elgyn
Some others didn't, like Ron Perlman who btw I appreciate in
'Sons of Anarchy'.
What if Ridley spoke with DiCaprio about his collaboration with Tom Hardy in Revenant...?
It is only mine presumption, but that picture showing Ridley's arrival at Tilbury Fort made me suspect that he came
there to met with Hardy who is filming Taboo series there (Ridley is executive producer on that one)...
So maybe Ridley wants Hardy on Covenant?
What do you think?
Tom Hardy wasnt on BAFTA awards, and we can see that in video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7upsq6GsI0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7upsq6GsI0)
In that Twitter post it is explicitly stated that Sir Ridley Scott arrived
at tilburyfc this morning (yesterday), for filming at TilburyFort... As far as I known, filming
for any of Ridley's own projects is yet to begin...!
Covenant starts shooting at the begining of April, right after Fassbender end his filming of Snowman. Fassbender recently said that he plans to make a break (sixt months) after shooting Alien: Covenant... Maybe Covenant is going to be a big take for him, and he was really busy working on several big projects. At least we for sure know that he ll do Covenant, and that's important ;)... I am still struggling to understand what will happen with Noomi Rapace and her character?
Once again this (about Hardy) is a mere presumption...
but in my opinion, an interesting one ;D
I myself think that DiCaprio is a solid actor, but not a good fit for the Alien universe,
Hardy on the other side is perfect match for any role in Alien: Covenant!
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 18, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
It is only mine presumption, but that picture showing Ridley's arrival at Tilbury Fort made me suspect that he came
there to met with Hardy who is filming Taboo series there...
Interesting... that solves the mystery of what Ridley was doing at Tilbury. Apparently he is an executive producer for the mini series. So most likely just there to show his face.
But Tom Hardy is also currently another hot property in Hollywood after Fury Road and The Revenant's positive reception, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley considered him for a role in Covenant. He has starred in one of Scott's films before.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 18, 2016, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 18, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
It is only mine presumption, but that picture showing Ridley's arrival at Tilbury Fort made me suspect that he came
there to met with Hardy who is filming Taboo series there...
Interesting... that solves the mystery of what Ridley was doing at Tilbury. Apparently he is an executive producer for the mini series. So most likely just there to show his face.
But Tom Hardy is also currently another hot property in Hollywood after Fury Road and The Revenant's positive reception, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley considered him for a role in Covenant. He has starred in one of Scott's films before.
Which film of Scott's?
I think Hardy is great. One of the hallmarks of a great actor is when he plays different roles, that his actual character is so different that you can't tell it's the same actor playing. He has that. I know some of his characters had masks, but still, between the body language and voice, you couldn't tell it was him playing.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 18, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Which film of Scott's?
I think Hardy is great. One of the hallmarks of a great actor is when he plays different roles, that his actual character is so different that you can't tell it's the same actor playing. He has that. I know some of his characters had masks, but still, between the body language and voice, you couldn't tell it was him playing.
Black Hawk DownIt would be great to have another good and "tested" actor in Covenant.
Fassbander is great in my opinion, but I dont know much about Waterston and McBride...
I liked some aspects of Noomi Rapace and her acting (Fassbender is a lot better), but now her fate is unknown to us?
Maybe Ridley wants to show his face on set of Taboo, and to
cast another role for Covenant (Hardy) :laugh: ;D
He likes to kill two birds with one stone...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 17, 2016, 07:07:50 PM
I recall a few months ago someone claimed that Scott Free was doing location scouting for Covenant at Dunluce Castle.
Yeah, someone claimed on Twitter that they said they were scouting for Prometheus 2.
So they scouted locations in England, Australia and New Zealand... its too much for one movie??
I doubt that they are going to shoot in England... Maybe one scene or something minor. Major locations will
be in New Zealand and New South Wales (Fox Studio).
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 18, 2016, 06:22:59 PM
He likes to kill two birds with one stone...
Aye, he does indeed.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 18, 2016, 06:22:59 PM
So they scouted locations in England, Australia and New Zealand... its too much for one movie??
Not really, Prometheus was filmed in 4 different countries, Iceland, England, Spain, Jordan and Scotland.
But yeah, there's been no solid evidence to suggest that anything will be filmed in England, just internet rumours. Can't really see how medieval castles would fit into Alien: Covenant anyway. There was also another rumour a while back, that Covenant will be filmed in Rome, Georgia USA but I think we pretty much managed to debunk that one. :)
He was in Black Hawk Down? I don't remember that.
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Thats Tom Hardy... ;D
This is my point exactly. Tom hardy just carries himself so differently from film to film that you sometimes don't remember that he was in a film. He's like a chameleon..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 19, 2016, 12:13:01 AMThis is my point exactly. Tom hardy just carries himself so differently from film to film that you sometimes don't remember that he was in a film. He's like a chameleon..
To be fair, you couldn't tell who
anyone was in
Black Hawk Down... That's why they resorted to writing their names on their helmets ;D
Maybe it's just because I'm British, but I never have trouble spotting Tom Hardy in roles. That said, he is a wonderful actor. Saw
Legend last night, where he plays both of the Kray twins. Great film!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2016, 10:31:25 PMHe was in Black Hawk Down? I don't remember that.
He's the guy who gets deafened by the other Ranger firing his machine gun too close to his head.
Man, I need to watch that film again. I haven't seen it in years. I always thought that was either McGregor or Ewen Bremner. That said, I remember that filming having just about everyone in it.
I do like Hardy though. I think he'd bring weight to a roll but not be too much of a "distracting" big name.
It's a great movie. Not much of a story and very sanitised with regards to being nice to the American military command, but one hell of an intense ride. I have some mates in the army who've said it's the most accurate depiction of modern urban combat they've seen in a film, in terms of just how chaotic and intense it is.
Coincidentally, the book is one of the best I've ever read. Unlike most military non-fiction the guy actually writes it like a novel, so it's a thrilling read instead of just a list of facts.
I just realized that Katherine Waterson is in 'Steve Jobs' alongside Fassbender. Looks like I've gotta watch this now to see what their chemistry is like.
Can anyone who's seen 'Steve Jobs' tell me how they were together?
Ridley Scott on Covenant and Franchise Alien
@21:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInLxITvRBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInLxITvRBo)
So we ll have our answers... Good! ;D
But knowing Ridley, those answers are going to be some philosophical
puzzle... ::) and I m very much looking forward to see that puzzle!
P.S. Thanks for video, Stolen.
Thanks for the video, Stolen. He keeps saying these comments about who made the Alien. I'd thought that was the point of Prometheus. I wonder if it's going to be some complete backstep on Prometheus.
Quote from: Stolen on Feb 27, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Ridley Scott on Covenant and Franchise Alien
@21:20
Thanks for posting that.
I've transcribed the Alien part here.
http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/ridley-talking-about-alien-in-behind.html
Is he referring to the alien itself wen he says about 'its been used up'? I hope not, because I was under the impression this was actually going to be an Alien film this time around.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 28, 2016, 08:15:48 PM
Is he referring to the alien itself wen he says about 'its been used up'? I hope not, because I was under the impression this was actually going to be an Alien film this time around.
I have some kind of confirmation by someone very close to the production... R
idley thinks that the idea of Alien running around and killing the crew of the ship is used up... so thats what he thought when he said that... He now wants to explore the origin of the creature (thats 100% confirmed and we know that), and its purpose. From what I know and I would never lie that I have some great infos about the story, Ridley will introduce
someone/something new in this one (and that creature will play some kind of role in the future movies), a
nd the ultimate story of Xeno will be intertwined with the stories of human creation, Engineers and Davids story also! This is not too much but at least we know that Ridley isnt going to make a movie about Alien chasing humans and killing all except last human survivor... Someone I know asked Wayne Haag about the number of the cast via private mail but he wont reply :(
One more thing we can speculate from what Ridley said is that
David is going to have some major part in the whole story... Everything else is not so certan...
From video Stolen posted:
N
ow we go to the next one, the next one is who made it (Xeno) and why, and I'm not
going to tell you, and why will be explainedFrom that we can speculate that te ultimate creator of Xeno is someone new...
Engineers in that case did not created Xeno and black goo! So here we come to the murals with Engineer and the kneeling (sleeping) creature with the beak. To me that mural represent the act of Engineers sneaking and stealing something from that creature (maybe black goo which is in fact the blood of that creature)... Next mural shows that same creature holding the well known egg... So we can make a presumtion that creature with the beak (kneeling creature) created egg to punish Engineers, or something like that... Of course all this are my presumptions but something like that could be true... If we analyse deacon mural we can see that the Xeno-like creature (Deacon) is in fact chained... so we can make more presumptions from that, but its best to wait the movie and see!
So Ridley wants to lift entire Xenomorph story to greater dimension. He began that process with Prometheus, but was a bit hesitant to answer question about Xeno and its origins. Now he wants to answers some questions, but I myself think that he is going to end the third movie with a major mystery and that would be something about crashed juggernaut and Ripley... :o They wanted to "distance" from original Alien story but not from Alien itself! :-* :-* So, no more cat and mouse story in a traditional way.
This is 100% confirmed info! We shall see all the horror, but there is now a bigger story revolving! And those stories are: Xeno and its purpose, human
creation, motif of god and of life and death, exploration of David's character (maybe he would become major antagonist or even ultimate protagonist and we know that androids are Ridley's constant obsession! Remember David's sentance about parents and scene with hologram in which he holds holographic Earth!), they will explore why Engineers wanted to destroy something they created...maybe humans are ultimate threat...
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Quote from: Enoch on Feb 29, 2016, 07:12:50 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 28, 2016, 08:15:48 PM
Is he referring to the alien itself wen he says about 'its been used up'? I hope not, because I was under the impression this was actually going to be an Alien film this time around.
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Really interesting that in the wall / shrine in the bottom left and right corners you can see the old facehugger from Giger's original pyramid mural. Never noticed that before.
Oh... you can notice many more ;D ;D :o :o
Spoiler
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there is even more ;D
I tried to analyse this photo showing the scene that wasn't in the movie at all...
but it still is a great mystery to me:
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We can certanly tell that those two Engineers with robes (same from the beginning of the movie)
came there after all the events that led to Engineers mass death on LV-223...
We can see holes in the pods and thats what the first Engineer looks at with interest...
Great mystery to me... [/SPOLIER]
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 01, 2016, 05:31:33 PM
Oh... you can notice many more ;D ;D :o :o
Spoiler
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there is even more ;D
I tried to analyse this photo showing the scene that wasn't in the movie at all...
but it still is a great mystery to me:
Spoiler
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We can certanly tell that those two Engineers with robes (same from the beginning of the movie)
came there after all the events that led to Engineers mass death on LV-223...
We can see holes in the pods and thats what the first Engineer looks at with interest...
Great mystery to me... [/SPOLIER]
I can even see Frieza and King Cold in that door mural!!!!
No it cant be? can it? ;)
So much beautiful mystery, and we had so little in Prometheus :(
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Is this a real photo or a photoshop. Did they actually film the robed Engineers inside the spacecraft?
It's a genuine BTS shot. It's for the hologram scene where David watches them all in the Orrey.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
It's a genuine BTS shot. It's for the hologram scene where David watches them all in the Orrey.
Aaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!
Man the movie really was too vague!
I loved the vagueness. It allowed for such much interpretation and imagination stretching, something that so many people today are incapable of doing. I don't need all my answers served on a platter.
It's irritating when the film is actually supposed to answer questions.
I understand the logic of wanting questions answered, but I personally found it more compelling to instead have bigger questions proposed. If the next film answers questions by posing even bigger ones, I'd be ok with that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2016, 03:24:49 PMI loved the vagueness.
There's being enticingly vague and then there's just being clueless.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2016, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2016, 03:24:49 PMI loved the vagueness.
There's being enticingly vague and then there's just being clueless.
I don't think they were clueless in the broad strokes. They were clueless in the execution of certain situations which made it appear as though the rest of the underlying ides in the film were not thought through. There are so many directions in which the film could have gone. They picked a pretty good one, but granted there were flaws.
Well see, now that I know those robed dudes were on the ship - the ship where the goo got out of hand and killed everyone. That means the sacrificial Engineer was dying for the continuation of his race versus simply being a part of some ritual (which is what I always thought it was).
Also I find it very interesting that The Engineers can breathe on that planet at the start!
Hard R? Does that mean dick-monsters??
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Broken link for me.
Fixed it, just came across it...christ who thinks those things up...
I mean, its an Alien movie, there's going to be dick monsters in it regardless.