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Looks cool. Nice that they are using set pieces for the movie for once. Something that we don't see use that often in recent years.

 :o

looks almost like the jockey is actually in the chair, although the head seems to be missing. interesting! thanks hicks!

also, can I ask if this is the same source that said that they seen the alien suit on set? because if it was it would definitely give some extra credibility to that story

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 09, 2011, 07:06:19 PM
looks almost like the jockey is actually in the chair, although the head seems to be missing. interesting! thanks hicks!

I suppose he's wandered off somewhere else

Nice to get clearer pictures at last. It did look like originally that there was something sitting in it.

Or maybe that's a gap for a CGI head?

Ripped from the Egyptian Book of the Dead  ;)

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I'm sure wmmvrrvrrmm did an article on that connection?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:12:19 PM
I'm sure wmmvrrvrrmm did an article on that connection?

i believe so. i took it from his website iirc.

Sweet. This movie is starting to look better since the leaked trailer.

Interesting.Only today i realize how many Egyptian themes Ridley put in Alien.

actually scratch what I said earlier about the head missing, it looks like it is simply the chair minus the creature itself.

Nice to see these out! Definitely a head rest for the Jockey, there.

It's so good to see this chair again. :'(

looks fake/photoshopped.

is it me or does it look too small?

Its not fake.

It's not fake. My guarantee.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.

Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?

The Space Jockey and seat in the original film inspires me a lot. This thing, ahem, well... I suppose we'll have to see what is shown in in the actual film.

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.

Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?

It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.

Wow! My jaw is dropping!  :o
I still have a few questions though:

Is the SJ chair sculpted to actual size this time around as opposed to the one in ALIEN (they used kids in spacesuits to get a grander size)?

Will we actually see an SJ in Prometheus or only the chair (hints of DNA)?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PM

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.

Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?

It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.

I'm trying to avoid any spoilers here. Judging from the responses, I take it there's alot of spoiler-esque material shown in the leak.

Leaked set photos aren't doing it anymore, Bring on the hd trailer.  :)

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:53:14 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PM

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.

Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?

It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.

I'm trying to avoid any spoilers here. Judging from the responses, I take it there's alot of spoiler-esque material shown in the leak.

No more so than any usual trailer. It's just very obvious this is Alien.

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 09, 2011, 07:10:53 PM
Ripped from the Egyptian Book of the Dead  ;)

I like the way that one can see from the different versions of the Sokar Funerary Barge that in Giger's design, a definite understanding of the structure from the different representations can be seen

Thanks for these great images.

On the side, it looks like retractables armor plates ala stargate helmets if you see what i mean.
Might be the chair in sleep mode, could be the Engineer's cryo/hypersleep rack.
Or maybe it's just empty.

The other thing i can clearly see in this images is that Giger's designs has been muted into something more slick, more mechanical than bio.More simple even...

Retractable armour plating could be cool. It was one of my favourite things about the movie.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 08:00:20 PM

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:53:14 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PM

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.

Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?

It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.

I'm trying to avoid any spoilers here. Judging from the responses, I take it there's alot of spoiler-esque material shown in the leak.

No more so than any usual trailer. It's just very obvious this is Alien.

Has there been any solid proof that this is in fact an ALIEN movie? Last time I checked, I thought Ridley was beating around the bush by not confirming this, saying only "strands of DNA" from Alien would be in it.

Checking the art pic of the Jockey compared to this seat, the Jockey is clearly missing, you can see from the side where the ribs with the round button-things that lie under the Jockey's arms are.

Not sure where the legs for the Jockey, if any, would fit in that seat. It also does seem way smaller than the one sculpted for ALIEN...

Needs more study I think!  :laugh:

looks like theres a leg hole at the end inside that "apparatus" to me.
the wall behind makes it hard to see it

Heres a pic where it is,

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I don't think there's armor retractable plates.
The center of the seat is too flat to have the body underneath.
The Engineer is just missing.

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You know, the missing Engineer could probably be the decapitated one in the production still.

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Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:09 PM
The Space Jockey and seat in the original film inspires me a lot. This thing, ahem, well... I suppose we'll have to see what is shown in in the actual film.

Agreed

Looks distinctly underwhelming to say the least

Like cheap flimsy plastic

Its nice chrome and not fossilised...

::)

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 08:37:38 PM

Has there been any solid proof that this is in fact an ALIEN movie? Last time I checked, I thought Ridley was beating around the bush by not confirming this, saying only "strands of DNA" from Alien would be in it.

To me is very clear its an alien movie:

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To the haters that be hating.

It's not assembled, it's not lit and it's not on the set in context.

Awesome. But there's no Jockey in that chair whatsoever. No legs, no arms, no torso, no head. Just a seat.

By the way, set props are normally sculpted and then molded out of a synthetic plastic polystyrene of sorts. They look fake because they are fake when not properly lit. Jesus.

I don't understand how people judge a movie entire that they haven't seen based on a prop that's a bit damaged, no on a set, and not lit correctly.  Breathe people. It's okay.

Lastly.....

Prometheus is an ALIEN spin-off prequel, set in the same universe exploring other ideas presented in ALIEN with some connecting strands to the original series.

The end.

Wow, thanks for the pictures! Got my fan-boy thrills for the week ;D. We have never seen the chair on it's own, but there it is... brilliant!

On a side note, the original script of Alien (or one of the drafts of) had the chair empty as well, with the SJ a corpse outside the derelict. Empty chair, SJ corpse... interesting parallel.

-Chris.

Movies in Hollywood hardly use sets in the past five years. Other then the recent Marvel films, the Saw films and Hellboy 1-2, I can't think of the last time that they use sets and practical effects. Recent movies in the past several years like Van Helsing (2004), The Day After Tomorrow (2004), The Island (2005), 2012 (2009), the Transformers films, Tron: Legacy (2010) and Green Lantern (2011) use all CG and no real practical effects.

Nolan's Batman movies, not to mention Inception, used a lot of in-camera effects with CG enhancements.

The larger majority of films these days use actual sets.

I can't find the leaked trailer. :(

QuoteI don't understand how people judge a movie entire that they haven't seen based on a prop that's a bit damaged, no on a set, and not lit correctly.  Breathe people. It's okay.

You should have seen gundam fans when Gundam AGE first revealed it's stills, the ignorance was beyond rampant. :laugh:

QuotePrometheus is an ALIEN spin-off prequel, set in the same universe exploring other ideas presented in ALIEN with some connecting strands to the original series.

This, although one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies. They could do what Predators did and just ignore them while keeping canon, which is what I'm hoping. My biggest concern lies with whether or not they make xenomorphs essentially alien mutations/experiments.

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Is this meant to be the telescope part?

I dont see the Space Jockey Corps....  Hmmmm......  maybe one of the main characters BECOMES the Space Jockey?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 09, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
The larger majority of films these days use actual sets.

Most movies from what I have seen in the past recent years use green screen then sets. Like Tron: Legacy and the Star Wars prequels for example.

Mah come on, we had those human/SJ/android transformation discussions a thousand times...i think all possible plot versions are covered  ;D

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Is this meant to be the telescope part?

Yeah. I imagine so.

Holy shit that is amazing!, is that the real space jockey for once  :o.

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 09, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Movies in Hollywood hardly use sets in the past five years. Other then the recent Marvel films, the Saw films and Hellboy 1-2, I can't think of the last time that they use sets and practical effects. Recent movies in the past several years like Van Helsing (2004), The Day After Tomorrow (2004), The Island (2005), 2012 (2009), the Transformers films, Tron: Legacy (2010) and Green Lantern (2011) use all CG and no real practical effects.

Is it a coincidence that all those CGI laden movies you listed are all the most instantly forgettable movies too ?

Just logged in now to see these pics up, awesome i'm guessing the head etc will be digitally incorporated or the jockeys popped out for a few bevvies, get hammered and popped in to see the dark knight rises prologue then had a bite to eat with Nolan.

Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 09, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
I can't find the leaked trailer. :(

QuoteI don't understand how people judge a movie entire that they haven't seen based on a prop that's a bit damaged, no on a set, and not lit correctly.  Breathe people. It's okay.

You should have seen gundam fans when Gundam AGE first revealed it's stills, the ignorance was beyond rampant. :laugh:

QuotePrometheus is an ALIEN spin-off prequel, set in the same universe exploring other ideas presented in ALIEN with some connecting strands to the original series.

This, although one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies. They could do what Predators did and just ignore them while keeping canon, which is what I'm hoping. My biggest concern lies with whether or not they make xenomorphs essentially alien mutations/experiments.

I hope Prometheus contradicts the hell outta those pathetic wasteful mediocre films. Let me tell you how I really feel. :)

Have no fear.
AVPs don't exist in this dojo.

@ bethesda
thats alot nicer than I would put it

Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 09, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies.

It is my fondest wish that Prometheus will contradict the Predator and AVP movies.

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Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 09, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Movies in Hollywood hardly use sets in the past five years... Tron: Legacy (2010)... use all CG and no real practical effects.

To be fair, Tron (1982) didn't use real sets, either. That's what the movie was about.

You guys suck. :P Besides, I thought the AVP movies were really good.

Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 10, 2011, 04:05:22 AM
You guys suck. :P Besides, I thought the AVP movies were really good.

You guys are really good  :P Besides, i thought the AVP movies sucked.


;D

Well I think we can at least agree to disagree. ;D

Anyway, why would an SJ be decapitated?

Hang on - you thought Requiem was really good? Like, Alien vs. Pizza Delivery Guy? Just need to clear that up...

Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 10, 2011, 04:34:11 AM
Anyway, why would an SJ be decapitated?

Well i guess he met the wrong guy with the right skills:

• Savage Strike:  Fighting Stance Standing power attacks do 25% bonus damage with a chance to decapitate your enemies
  SJ don't like Skyrim  :(
  
  To add something to the OT discussion: The only good thing in this movie was the clock.
  
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  So damn hot!   :o
  

they brought back hanzo from predators through dna on ice! his katana did the job!

thanks

rich

As marsekay pointed out, the 'leg hole' is very interesting because it differs quite a bit from the original Jockey. If you look at these two comparisons you can see that in the original piece the area above the 'legs' or 'groin' looked to be part of the creature and quite small (hehehe...oh nevermind), whereas on the new set piece it is accentuated and definitely part of the chair.


Informative or not, it's interesting as it shows one possible way that the art department are going about separating the Jockey from it's seat.

-Chris

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 10, 2011, 04:36:52 AM
Hang on - you thought Requiem was really good? Like, Alien vs. Pizza Delivery Guy? Just need to clear that up...

There's always one!  Seriously, Fox could produce a movie that consisted of nothing more than a close up of a fat man's hairy anus, farting in the face of the audience for 2 hours and I guarantee that there'd be someone who thought it was "really good".

Actually, thinking about it; even that sounds less offensive than AVP:R(ectum).

QuoteHang on - you thought Requiem was really good? Like, Alien vs. Pizza Delivery Guy? Just need to clear that up...

It's my third favorite in the franchise after Alien 3 and Predator 2. With that said I'm now going to head to the hills for cover.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 10, 2011, 04:53:08 AMThere's always one!

To be fair, if I recall correctly, the girl in Panda's screencap had a nice ass. So there's that.

You know what? I'm gonna put this movie on for another look right now. What the hell... I'm drunk enough!  ;D

There is no girl on my image  :(

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 10, 2011, 04:59:14 AMYou know what? I'm gonna put this movie on for another look right now. What the hell... I'm drunk enough!  ;D

God man, no! ;)

-Chris

What franchise? Alien is it's own thing. Predator is its own thing. AvP is it's own thing. They are not related or connected, I don't care what anyone says. LOL

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 05:08:10 AM
What franchise? Alien is it's own thing. Predator is its own thing. AvP is it's own thing. They are not related or connected, I don't care what anyone says. LOL

Quoted for common sense.

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 05:04:08 AM
There is no girl on my image  :(

The clock image, Panda.

This is a reference to this scene, it's called sarcasm  :laugh:

She told the pizza dude she knows that he always stared at her in school. Embarrassing moment for pizza face so he stated that he always looked at the clock behind her. In the pool scene she wears her b*tch bikini in front of the clock and asks him "Are you looking at me ... or the clock?"

This whole movie is about this sexy clock, no one cares for the girl!
You should rewatch this masterpiece a few more times to spot all those details!  ;D
I guess most people miss those tiny things 'cause they are drunk while watching it.

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 05:50:20 AM...so he stated that he always looked at the clock behind her.... and asks him "Are you looking at me ... or the clock?"

Wow. I must re watch this masterpiece as you say. Pure poetry. Casablanca eat your heart out.

-Chris

Hurumph.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 05:08:10 AM
What franchise? Alien is it's own thing. Predator is its own thing. AvP is it's own thing. They are not related or connected, I don't care what anyone says. LOL

amen !

That looks more mechanical than i remember. It needs more bio.

A big event will melt all that mechanical stuff into biological mass...chair, urns, ship... :o

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 10, 2011, 09:35:13 AMThat looks more mechanical than i remember. It needs more bio.

The bio is off doing perverse things to beautiful women. :-X

-Chris

Any truth to the rumor that these images are bogus?

They're not bogus.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 10, 2011, 09:35:13 AM
That looks more mechanical than i remember. It needs more bio.

+1, not digging what I see. Mind you, we're not seeing the whole picture either.

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
A big event will melt all that mechanical stuff into biological mass...chair, urns, ship... :o

Now there is a kinda interesting idea...

Oh my Yoda, if there were photo with full cast before the Jockey's chair, someone would say it's photoshopped..  ???

Quote from: Zenzucht on Dec 10, 2011, 11:31:04 AM
Oh my Yoda, if there were photo with full cast before the Jockey's chair, someone would say it's photoshopped..  ???

And of course someone would also say taht it's fake...

You're not digging it?

Not digging what that it's a photo of what looks like a Jockey chair, a bit worse for the wear, probably post-shoot and set aside?

I'm not saying it's the most awesome of awesome, but this is the stuff of fan boy dreams, a Jockey chair, reconstructed to play out in some way in Prometheus. How could the idea of this chair not slay us all in geekdom orgasmic jizzy bliss? lol

Quote from: harlock on Dec 09, 2011, 08:47:59 PM
It also does seem way smaller than the one sculpted for ALIEN...

but in alien ridley used kids in the suits during the scene where dallas n co were beside the jockey , he did that to make it look bigger , wonder if that will come back to bite him on the ass ?

Not really. The difference is that he now has the budget to make it as big as he wants.

And welcome to the site  :)

I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

cheers

yeah i know he has the budget now but from the look of the creature we seen in the still it doesn't look as big as the jockey in alien , unless it isnt the jockey , wil need to wait til we see the film i suppose

Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

I'm kind of with you on that, but I'm gonna give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

I don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.

Could even be, that there are several crewman running around, only the pilot merges up with the chair...even different sized versions could be thinkable.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 10, 2011, 10:35:50 PM

Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

I don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.

Another one for the "Power Extreme" theory then ;)

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 02:36:51 PM
You're not digging it?

Not digging what that it's a photo of what looks like a Jockey chair, a bit worse for the wear, probably post-shoot and set aside?

I'm not saying it's the most awesome of awesome, but this is the stuff of fan boy dreams, a Jockey chair, reconstructed to play out in some way in Prometheus. How could the idea of this chair not slay us all in geekdom orgasmic jizzy bliss? lol

Not digging the way it looks. Crafted or not, the original Giger chair looked so puzzling and organic.
This one... doesn't look to be.

But like I said... we haven't seen the whole picture yet... "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

So, like Mr. Clemens and others, I'm giving the images the benefit of the doubt...

Idk, the more pictures I see, the more I get convinced that this isn't gonna be the Alien prequel that I hoped for.   It looks like a movie that is all about space jockeys and exploration rather than dark corridors and menacing xenomorphs.  We've already been inside the derelict space ship and it was slow and boring.  I have a feeling this film is going to be a lot slower, maybe even as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey, and that it will be heavy on dialogue instead of action.  This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.  Oh yeah, the jockeys are intelligent too so they will also probably talk so we will probably have to read subtitles for this movie too.  Who wants any of that?

They should have just made Aliens: Colonial Marines into a full-fledged Alien film instead of this.  Besides, Battlestar Gallactica was always better than Lost anyway.

I don't like enjoying things.

Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 11, 2011, 12:49:37 AM
I don't like enjoying things.

:P

I'm just concerned that I won't get my Giger hit.

I'm still pumped as all hell. 8)

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Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

I don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.

The creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat – he's integrated totally into the function he performs.'
HR Giger, Cinefex, 1979.

Sounds about right, OZ.

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 08:37:38 PM
Has there been any solid proof that this is in fact an ALIEN movie? Last time I checked, I thought Ridley was beating around the bush by not confirming this, saying only "strands of DNA" from Alien would be in it.

We've also seen the derelict ship in the leaked advert. It's standing vertically upright.

For some reason, a few of the production team are taking the view that it doesn't qualify as a 'true' prequel if it doesn't segue immediately into the events of the first film, which is slightly strange.

Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.

Same, but if you look at the props shown, it's clear that it's a different design. Where the body of the creature was, previously, is now encased in a metal cocoon, with no room for the arms. Only a head.

It could be an evolution of the technology. Or possibly even devolution... Perhaps this is their technology before/after they decide to grow creatures right out of them.

What's for definite is that the original film shows organic bone/fossil in places this is composed of metal. Unless post-production is just using it as a 'ribbed for her pleasure'-style guide to texture skin over... That would work.

Hi all, first time poster long time lurker.

I feel that all this here-say and behind the scenes quotes doesn't prove anything about the space jockey. We only know what we visually saw and what the crew of the Nostromo speculated as they explored which obviously didn't last too long....Thanks Kane.

If this movie does indeed have Space Jockey's in it (and I almost guarantee it will), there could be thousands of explanations for what we saw in the first Alien.

I definitely am not taking any quotes from a 'making of' DVD as canon. If it didn't make the film it wasn't canon in my opinion.

@Ash you want a movie featuring Xenos hiding in dark corridors? Really? You want a film that explores the same territory as the first 4? seriously?

No thanks. The Xenos aren't scary, the formula is tired and worn out. Prometheus appears to be a film that explores the grand questions science fiction asks so well, and I want to see Ridley Scott try and answer some. If you're just out for a standard monster movie, then maybe Prometheus won't be the film for you?

Quote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.

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Quote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.

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Tarantino and Aliens?? No way that can work...I personally do not want another Predators type movie. (Rodrigueaz is like a clone of Tarantino)...If Tarantino is involved in aliens then we can prepare for a nice mexican setting with lot of two handed shooting and lot of tequilla.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
For some reason, a few of the production team are taking the view that it doesn't qualify as a 'true' prequel if it doesn't segue immediately into the events of the first film, which is slightly strange.

I don't think its strange at all. Think about it from Foxs and Ridleys point of view. If they attach it as a prequel to alien there wouldn't be any other place to lead it other than towards the first alien film. I'm thinking both Ridley and Fox would like to have this branch out of the "alien" universe and make a brand new story arc arc wihtout people expecting it to lead directly into the story of alien. It would somewhat limit them into how experimental they could be.

Also the "alien" franchise has become so tired and old and I think both know that. So why associate it with something that's people are just gonna think "oh that franchise again" which people will think, there's more than us lot on these boards to think about. We are a minority.

I don't think its strange at all. I think it was the best thing they could possibly do

Quote from: nendo on Dec 11, 2011, 11:30:03 AM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
For some reason, a few of the production team are taking the view that it doesn't qualify as a 'true' prequel if it doesn't segue immediately into the events of the first film, which is slightly strange.

I don't think its strange at all. Think about it from Foxs and Ridleys point of view. If they attach it as a prequel to alien there wouldn't be any other place to lead it other than towards the first alien film. I'm thinking both Ridley and Fox would like to have this branch out of the "alien" universe and make a brand new story arc arc wihtout people expecting it to lead directly into the story of alien. It would somewhat limit them into how experimental they could be.

Thats my take on it as well. These days no studio makes a film without considering how to make it a franchise if it does well. If 'Prometheus' succeeds we can probably expect a sequel and they are going to want wriggle room for the story before it leads into 'Alien'.

Prequel or not, i will be dissapointed if the events  in this movie, will negate the ones in alien

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 04:44:04 AM
The Xenos aren't scary, the formula is tired and worn out.

I'd disagree with that. It depends how it's executed.

They haven't been portrayed with a genuinely menacing presence/atmosphere since 1986, in my view. There's a reason why people keep rewatching the first two films and can still be entertained by them and that they're familiar with what the creatures look like and do doesn't detract from that.

Quote from: nendo on Dec 11, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
I don't think its strange at all. Think about it from Foxs and Ridleys point of view. If they attach it as a prequel to alien there wouldn't be any other place to lead it other than towards the first alien film. I'm thinking both Ridley and Fox would like to have this branch out of the "alien" universe and make a brand new story arc arc wihtout people expecting it to lead directly into the story of alien. It would somewhat limit them into how experimental they could be.

Why? None of that in any way negates it being a prequel.

You can have a film set before 'Jurassic Park' revolving around the race to get all the genetic codes necessary for the park to function. It could be some sort of Tom Clancy-esque techno-thriller, based around corporate espionage, completely different in tone from any of the others made before it.

But just because it wouldn't have the actual dinosaurs in it wouldn't mean it somehow isn't a prequel.

The only way this isn't a prequel is if they've decided, instead of setting it before 'Alien' to set it either between or after the existing sequels. That way, it's not technically a sequel to the first.

But considering we already know they're using 'Weyland' labels and the director said that's because it's set before the company later becomes Weyland-Yutani, that's not very likely.

QuoteAlso the "alien" franchise has become so tired and old and I think both know that. So why associate it with something that's people are just gonna think "oh that franchise again" which people will think, there's more than us lot on these boards to think about. We are a minority.

You mean like the James Bond films? Because, damn, yeah... No way yet another one of those is ever going to get any interest from the public!

Oh, wait... :D

Quote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
Idk, the more pictures I see, the more I get convinced that this isn't gonna be the Alien prequel that I hoped for.   It looks like a movie that is all about space jockeys and exploration rather than dark corridors and menacing xenomorphs.  We've already been inside the derelict space ship and it was slow and boring.  I have a feeling this film is going to be a lot slower, maybe even as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey, and that it will be heavy on dialogue instead of action.  This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.  Oh yeah, the jockeys are intelligent too so they will also probably talk so we will probably have to read subtitles for this movie too.  Who wants any of that?

They should have just made Aliens: Colonial Marines into a full-fledged Alien film instead of this.  Besides, Battlestar Gallactica was always better than Lost anyway.

Now you're posting the exact same text in multiple threads?!  Are you actually trying to be a troll or does it just come naturally?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41034.90 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41034.90)

And what does Battlestar Galactica have anything to do with anything?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
What's for definite is that the original film shows organic bone/fossil in places this is composed of metal. Unless post-production is just using it as a 'ribbed for her pleasure'-style guide to texture skin over... That would work.

I was thinking this, as well. It might just have been built for lighting reference, and for the actors to interact with, and they might add texture in post.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 12:23:54 PM

Why? None of that in any way negates it being a prequel.

You can have a film set before 'Jurassic Park' revolving around the race to get all the genetic codes necessary for the park to function. It could be some sort of Tom Clancy-esque techno-thriller, based around corporate espionage, completely different in tone from any of the others made before it.

But just because it wouldn't have the actual dinosaurs in it wouldn't mean it somehow isn't a prequel.

The only way this isn't a prequel is if they've decided, instead of setting it before 'Alien' to set it either between or after the existing sequels. That way, it's not technically a sequel to the first.

But considering we already know they're using 'Weyland' labels and the director said that's because it's set before the company later becomes Weyland-Yutani, that's not very likely.

I wouldnt want to put words in his mouth, but the way i saw his post was that he was suggesting the reason why its not such a direct prequel to Alien is so that a sequel to Prometheus wouldnt necessarily have to continue forwards towards the first film nor tie directly into it.

So if for arguments sake Prometheus was set 1 year before Alien, Prometheus 2 wouldnt necessarily be set 6 months before Alien and carry on leading up to that film, but could go off on a tangent establishing a parallel story to Alien if Fox wanted to continue it as a franchise.

Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 11, 2011, 04:18:54 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 12:23:54 PM

Why? None of that in any way negates it being a prequel.

You can have a film set before 'Jurassic Park' revolving around the race to get all the genetic codes necessary for the park to function. It could be some sort of Tom Clancy-esque techno-thriller, based around corporate espionage, completely different in tone from any of the others made before it.

But just because it wouldn't have the actual dinosaurs in it wouldn't mean it somehow isn't a prequel.

The only way this isn't a prequel is if they've decided, instead of setting it before 'Alien' to set it either between or after the existing sequels. That way, it's not technically a sequel to the first.

But considering we already know they're using 'Weyland' labels and the director said that's because it's set before the company later becomes Weyland-Yutani, that's not very likely.

I wouldnt want to put words in his mouth, but the way i saw his post was that he was suggesting the reason why its not such a direct prequel to Alien is so that a sequel to Prometheus wouldnt necessarily have to continue forwards towards the first film nor tie directly into it.

So if for arguments sake Prometheus was set 1 year before Alien, Prometheus 2 wouldnt necessarily be set 6 months before Alien and carry on leading up to that film, but could go off on a tangent establishing a parallel story to Alien if Fox wanted to continue it as a franchise.

I'm with Xenomorphine on this; if it's set in the same universe as Alien and takes place before the events depicted in Alien, then it's a prequel.  However, Ridley and co are right to avoid using the term prequel because there's an awful lot of people out there who lack imagination.  They hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.

Not to mention, the word 'prequel' almost always meaning, 'shitty movie'.  :D

Prometheus is not a prequel

I have it on very good authority from a friend that has worked on the movie that the space jockeys will NOT be elephantine in appearance, they will in fact look very humanoid indeed. The "trunk" is actually a breathing apparatus.

But that WILL in a conflict with wht we have seen in Alien...the dead jockey have elephantine trunk made like from a bone...interesting. If the appearance of jockeys is very human like, that will be ....ehm....cheesy

Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 11, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
Prequel or not, i will be dissapointed if the events  in this movie, will negate the ones in alien

... if the events of the prequel will betray the mistery of original film, revealing premises and consequences of certain scenes, so that watching Alien you would know how Cane is going to end up. Just take a look at Jon Spaihts' script "Alien Harvest" and you'll get the idea, what I mean.

And for that matter, I even would prefer not seeing Space Jockey being facehugged, not to spot the hugger on its own. Let them remain undiscovered untill the original movie.

Xenomorphine, I totally agree with you in that Creatures lost their eerie traits since Aliens, hopefully Riddley will bring their (or of some similar beings) brilliance back.

Quote from: warneford87 on Dec 11, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
I have it on very good authority from a friend that has worked on the movie that the space jockeys will NOT be elephantine in appearance, they will in fact look very humanoid indeed. The "trunk" is actually a breathing apparatus.

Nice. Would you be so courteous to ask your friend to share some pics, proving your words?  ;D

@ Xenomorphine

Even Ridley Scott himself said the creature, as it appears today, is tired and not scary. Can it be made scary by way of a bit of a re-imagining of it? Yes. In terms of the that plot device of people running down corridors or hallways on space ships, that IS probably more worn out then the creature itself. It would have to be infused with something great to turn it on its head if a good director is going to use that formula once again.:)

Quote from: warneford87 on Dec 11, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
I have it on very good authority from a friend that has worked on the movie that the space jockeys will NOT be elephantine in appearance, they will in fact look very humanoid indeed. The "trunk" is actually a breathing apparatus.

wasn't that the original intention of Giger? it also seems to have a clear helmet in the painting. also i remember hearing that the Space jockey wasn't complete when filmed.

Quote from: bobcunk on Dec 11, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
wasn't that the original intention of Giger? it also seems to have a clear helmet in the painting. also i remember hearing that the Space jockey wasn't complete when filmed.

Giger said it wasn't painted properly. Just the perfectionist in him.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2011, 05:32:40 PM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.

Not to mention, the word 'prequel' almost always meaning, 'shitty movie'.  :D

:laugh:

Very true.

I believe that Prometheus could be the film to break the prequel curse, due to the route it's taking.  To quote Damon Lindelof...

Quote from: Damon Lindelof, writer of PrometheusI've always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, "Luke, I am your father", by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don't need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can't guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability.

So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.

But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love... but its sorta like, we've seen it before, can we do something different this time? And thats the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you're working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way.

Seriously, these words need to become the standard template and approach for when making a prequel.

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 07:28:50 PM

Quote from: bobcunk on Dec 11, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
wasn't that the original intention of Giger? it also seems to have a clear helmet in the painting. also i remember hearing that the Space jockey wasn't complete when filmed.

Giger said it wasn't painted properly. Just the perfectionist in him.

So there is a possibilty that Jockeys are in fact humanoid looking creatures and the trunk is just a part of a "helmet"

Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:

"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.

It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.

For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.

It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.

If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).

But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.

That is certainly interesting. But if SJ's reproduced asexually, why would their species require eggs? The mystery continues....  :o

Ok, nevermind, I guess the facehuggers/eggs allow them to reproduce, so it's not really asexual. Hmm.

Unfortunately, and as much as some people dislike Lindelof.....the people behind Prometheus (however much flawed) are big thinkers. Most of the time when these prequels come out, they're hatched by the Studios (corporations) behind them. George Lucas is no different, he made a series of prequel films, however dazzling to look at had ZERO substance.

In order to make a prequel work, a lot of serious thought has to go into how it can be made fresh and not just a retread, which is just what sequels become. Even ALIENS was a retread in many many ways.

I'm obviously hoping for the best when Prometheus releases, and as a betting man, I believe it will deliver in spades, but I'm also wary as well.

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:

"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.

It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.

For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.

It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.

If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).

But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."

OMG. IMDB again as a source of relevant information??  :owhat world we are living in....

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:46:12 PM

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:

"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.

It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.

For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.

It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.

If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).

But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."

OMG. IMDB again as a source of relevant information??  :owhat world we are living in....

I don't think that the person on IMDB was claiming this as factual.  They were just speculating like the rest of us.  Live and let live. :)

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:20:34 PM

So there is a possibilty that Jockeys are in fact humanoid looking creatures and the trunk is just a part of a "helmet"

I suppose the pipe connected to it's nasal cavity was part of the breathing apparatus

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:46:12 PM

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:

"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.

It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.

For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.

It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.

If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).

But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."

OMG. IMDB again as a source of relevant information??  :owhat world we are living in....

It was an idea, as I mentioned when I typed " a guy on IMDB posted this idea".

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Unfortunately, and as much as some people dislike Lindelof.....the people behind Prometheus (however much flawed) are big thinkers. Most of the time when these prequels come out, they're hatched by the Studios (corporations) behind them. George Lucas is no different, he made a series of prequel films, however dazzling to look at had ZERO substance.

In order to make a prequel work, a lot of serious thought has to go into how it can be made fresh and not just a retread, which is just what sequels become. Even ALIENS was a retread in many many ways.

I'm obviously hoping for the best when Prometheus releases, and as a betting man, I believe it will deliver in spades, but I'm also wary as well.

The Star Wars prequels had TOO much substance not "zero". Why tell a story about how democracies slide into dictatorships, where all the characters are either victims are perpetrators, when you can fill it full of loveable pirates, romance  and explosions? The new Star Trek movie was devoid of any real substance... it wasn't "fresh", but it was entertaining enough. Ultimately, a prequel has to work within its own right and as a self contained movie... if its a decent movie, the importance of its links to the previous movies becomes rather academic.

Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 11, 2011, 09:27:36 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Unfortunately, and as much as some people dislike Lindelof.....the people behind Prometheus (however much flawed) are big thinkers. Most of the time when these prequels come out, they're hatched by the Studios (corporations) behind them. George Lucas is no different, he made a series of prequel films, however dazzling to look at had ZERO substance.

In order to make a prequel work, a lot of serious thought has to go into how it can be made fresh and not just a retread, which is just what sequels become. Even ALIENS was a retread in many many ways.

I'm obviously hoping for the best when Prometheus releases, and as a betting man, I believe it will deliver in spades, but I'm also wary as well.

The Star Wars prequels had TOO much substance not "zero". Why tell a story about how democracies slide into dictatorships, where all the characters are either victims are perpetrators, when you can fill it full of loveable pirates, romance  and explosions? The new Star Trek movie was devoid of any real substance... it wasn't "fresh", but it was entertaining enough. Ultimately, a prequel has to work within its own right and as a self contained movie... if its a decent movie, the importance of its links to the previous movies becomes rather academic.

The stories and plotlines of the Star Wars prequels werent the problem

The shitty CGI, in particluar CGI characters, ruined them

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
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An interesting take...

Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 11, 2011, 09:43:05 PM
The stories and plotlines of the Star Wars prequels werent the problem

The shitty CGI, in particluar CGI characters, ruined them

That seems a rather sweeping generalistaion... I wouldn't reduce the employemnt and advancementy of cutting edge technolgy to "shitty CGI". It seems rather simplistic. There was possibly an over abundance of it that the movies didn't need... but when did Lucas ever hold back at throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Star Wars movies?

Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 12, 2011, 11:02:07 AM

Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 11, 2011, 09:43:05 PM
The stories and plotlines of the Star Wars prequels werent the problem

The shitty CGI, in particluar CGI characters, ruined them

That seems a rather sweeping generalistaion... I wouldn't reduce the employemnt and advancementy of cutting edge technolgy to "shitty CGI". It seems rather simplistic. There was possibly an over abundance of it that the movies didn't need... but when did Lucas ever hold back at throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Star Wars movies?

Yes it is a generalisation...I'm not gonna write an essay on a forum on what I didnt like about the star wars movies - especially since its off topic

But I stand by the statement that thats mainly what ruined the movies for me :cartoonish CGI.......Haydn Christiansen didnt help also, what with his charisma bypass and god awful wooden so called 'acting'

I dont care how 'cutting edge' or 'advanced' the CGI were in star wars I,II,III (or Avatar for that matter) - they were still obviously CGI and made many parts of those movies look like nothing more than a glorified cartoon mixed with live action - very much akin to 'Bedknobs and Broomsticks' or 'Roger Rabbit'

Some of the scenes in 'Revenge of the sith' were very clearly set up to look and 'play out' exactly like a video game too - you could tell that Lucas shamelessly and blatantly had 'marketing, spinoffs and cashback' at the forefront of his mind, rather than artistic integrity, when he created some of those sequences

The less CGI in Prometheus the better as far as Im concerned

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 07:53:00 PM

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2011, 05:32:40 PM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.

Not to mention, the word 'prequel' almost always meaning, 'shitty movie'.  :D

:laugh:

Very true.

I believe that Prometheus could be the film to break the prequel curse, due to the route it's taking.  To quote Damon Lindelof...

Quote from: Damon Lindelof, writer of PrometheusI've always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, "Luke, I am your father", by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don't need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can't guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability.

So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.

But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love... but its sorta like, we've seen it before, can we do something different this time? And thats the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you're working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way.

Seriously, these words need to become the standard template and approach for when making a prequel.

Well, except he did miss one thing... Star Wars was basically watched out of order initially. If it hadn't been planned that way it would make more sense, ie Episode IV has actually been I, it'd be different.

There is a Star Wars thread elsewhere. CG debates tend to derail, so let's be careful and stick to topic.

Well I was very happy like a little child, but this shit ruined it all...

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less CGI, the better

If the story is amazing, characters convincing, who cares about the CGI. Bring on Prometheus. No time for whining. ;) :)

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 12, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
There is a Star Wars thread elsewhere. CG debates tend to derail, so let's be careful and stick to topic.

Agreed - Just think it's important to check expectations as there seemed to be plenty of CGI in the leaked trailer (which I for one am happy with). The use of CGI isn't an issue for me as long as it's not at the expense of the story...

Plenty of CG in the leaked trailer? Can you tell me which scenes specifically? I'm not doubting you, I just need some proof is all. :)

Spaceships entering atmosphere twice.
Digital mates of environnement.
The 3D holographic Earth map.
Sandstorm.
The Engineer's ship.
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship.
The Crashing Engineer's ship.

I don't mind if there's a lot of CGI in the movie, i trust the people involved to make good use of all techniques availbles.

Ah...I don't know about all that

Spaceships entering atmosphere twice. - could be a model (ridley still loves his models)
Digital mates of environnement. - They were on location in many places, so this isn't holding up
The 3D holographic Earth map. - yes
Sandstorm.- maybe
The Engineer's ship. - a model perhaps
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship - another model maybe
The Crashing Engineer's ship - see above

Check out a lil' sharper image of the space jockey from the trailer.... I think you can clearly see he has that "trunk" under his space helmet. Also, I do remember hearing Ridley say that that could easily be the suit of the jockey that gives him the shape he appears to have in the original Alien.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/#)

Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
Check out a lil' sharper image of the space jockey from the trailer.... I think you can clearly see he has that "trunk" under his space helmet. Also, I do remember hearing Ridley say that that could easily be the suit of the jockey that gives him the shape he appears to have in the original Alien.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/#)

I cant see jockey in the first link picture.....:( can you draw a circle around it?? I seriously can't see it..

Space Jockey design finally unveiled :

Spoiler

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Can't see it coz there is no Space Jockey in these shots.
It's a human in a suit.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Ah...I don't know about all that

Spaceships entering atmosphere twice. - could be a model (ridley still loves his models)
Digital mates of environnement. - They were on location in many places, so this isn't holding up
The 3D holographic Earth map. - yes
Sandstorm.- maybe
The Engineer's ship. - a model perhaps
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship - another model maybe
The Crashing Engineer's ship - see above

Doubt they used models for the entering atmosphere shots.
Maybe for the landed ship shots but even that i doubt it.
Ships and vehicules are the things that do work in CGI
Even if they shot on location, those shots have probably been enhanced by digital mates to make them more otherworldy.
Sandstorm is clearly animated.
As for the crashing and exploding ship they also look animated to me.
First because of the angles and the way debris and particles are flying around.
Maybe like the enhanced location thes shots are a mix of different techniques but if you check previous making of recent Ridley movies he embraced the CGI for vehicules, sets, crashing explosion and such...
Mostly for the wide and epic shots.
Keeping always a small portion of the set actually build so the actor can act toward something.
Scott is just carefull to not overuse it especially when there is interraction with actors or when it needs to be organic and lifelike.
The creatures in the movie will be probably suit and animatronics for all the close up shots but when they will be in action or wider angle i have no doubt he will use cgi doubles.

Quote from: locusta on Dec 12, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
Space Jockey design finally unveiled :

Spoiler

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx6QOXFn4oQXWz1wStPT832z-1ehF5QMURLPJtbaXB6OA2mWJ0fQ)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)

Less of the Star Wars memes please, as I asked at the top of the page, and let's stick to discussing the images if we can.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Ah...I don't know about all that

Spaceships entering atmosphere twice. - could be a model (ridley still loves his models)
Digital mates of environnement. - They were on location in many places, so this isn't holding up
The 3D holographic Earth map. - yes
Sandstorm.- maybe
The Engineer's ship. - a model perhaps
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship - another model maybe
The Crashing Engineer's ship - see above

I'm sure they'll use models... but they'll be digitally composited just like many other modern movies we talk about.

But where the **** is a jockey in this picture?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 12, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
But where the **** is a jockey in this picture?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)

Bottom of the pic. underneath the e. there is a figure.

I believe it to be the flmae thrower guy but other seem to think its the jockey

Alright guys, sorry if I let ya down with that last post. But, here some more pics, I still stick with the space jockey idea... and check out the other one... alien egg?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/#)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream)

Already...had...them...several times  ;)

Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 07:43:56 PM
Alright guys, sorry if I let ya down with that last post. But, here some more pics, I still stick with the space jockey idea... and check out the other one... alien egg?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/#)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream)

It could be a big human because its closer to the camera than the other guy thats jumping towards him.

I would also like to point out these shape are very similar. Outlined in blue

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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 12, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
Already...had...them...several times  ;)

Yup. I posted the "maybe egg" a while ago..

Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 07:43:56 PM
Alright guys, sorry if I let ya down with that last post. But, here some more pics, I still stick with the space jockey idea... and check out the other one... alien egg?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/#)

That big ship is an SJ craft similiar to the derelict seen from behind. It has the same roundish double ports or whatever as the one in the original film.

you really cant compare cgi from 1999 with todays cg. avatar released in 2009 and the cg only gets better and more realistic.

If someone told me that the so called alien egg was an urn with the top broken open, I might agree with the latter

Quote from: nendo on Dec 12, 2011, 08:46:28 PM


It could be a big human because its closer to the camera than the other guy thats jumping towards him.

I would also like to point out these shape are very similar. Outlined in blue

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9800/prorv.png

i kinda agree , i havent seen the trailer as i cant find it anywhere but it does look like someone from behind wearing there helmet , plus we are assuming that they are being attacked by the space jockey creature , it could be one of the androids went mental like ash did in alien

It looks like that thing burst out of the globe portion of the suit.


Okay...at this point I'm about insane with frustration that we didn't get a trailer today, nor has there been any kind of announcement.

....sigh....

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 12:41:22 AM
It looks like that thing burst out of the globe portion of the suit.


Okay...at this point I'm about insane with frustration that we didn't get a trailer today, nor has there been any kind of announcement.

....sigh....

+1, i am disappoint.

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I hope they announce it this week at least... like "Hey, you're getting a trailer in [insert month here]."

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
If the story is amazing, characters convincing, who cares about the CGI. Bring on Prometheus. No time for whining. ;) :)

I care about the CGI as it has the potential to ruin a movie for me, which is exactly what happened in star wars 1,2,3
I thought 3 had a great plotline, very shakesperean and emotionally involving, yet the CGI and video game look of many scenes ruined the movie for me, despite all the other things that were good about it

(and im not trying to start a star wars thread, its just a good example to illustrate my point)

so yes

i care about too much CGi

maybe you couldnt care less ?

i do, and im not alone

'no time for whining' ?.............cheap, childish jibe..............id expect better from you   ::)

QuoteI care about the CGI as it has the potential to ruin a movie for me, which is exactly what happened in star wars 1,2,3

While I find the comment about CGI ruining Star Wars laughable - to say "who cares about CGI" is even more laughable.

Bad CGI - not too much - can have a detrimental effect to any film.  Just as much as crappy model or in-camera effects.  One dodgy shot won't wreck an entire film, but if you have consistently sub par effects throughout, convincing characters and an amzing story won't save it.

Not that I think that will happen but there you go.

It is a well known fact Jar Jar Binks is to blame for ruining the SW prequels.

Even the two he barely appeared in?  Impressive.

The Star Wars prequels had bad CG? I always remember all three of those movies had great looking effects but I think the practical effects that Episode 4-6 will always be the best IMO. At least this movie has set pieces for once unlike most movies now these days.

"who cares about CGI" meaning, if it's done well, used well, I'm not bothered by it. What I am bothered by is the incessant diatribe against the prequel trilogy. I'm not a fan of them either, but Jesus. Point made. This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps.

Done.

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Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:22:32 AM
Even the two he barely appeared in?  Impressive.

Aint it.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

YES.

And the one all-new (mostly) digital shot of Batty's dove flying away was absolutely lovely, and a definite improvement over the original shot it replaced.

I trust our man Scott.

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Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

I agree 100%

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

Those wires were visible in various versions of the film for 25 years - thus showing the a dodgy effect is a dodgy effect no matter how it's executed.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:37:09 AM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

Those wires were visible in various versions of the film for 25 years - thus showing the a dodgy effect is a dodgy effect no matter how it's executed.

Not sure what you're going for, here. With the Final Cut, Rid had the technology to go in and brush those cables out, and he did so. It was a tasteful revision. If he'd filled the movie up with dancing Jar-Jars, you might be onto something. But again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We're talking about how Ridley's going to use the tools, aren't we?

It was in response to "This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps."

I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years.  He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
It was in response to "This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps."

I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years.  He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.

Oh, I see. But one does what one can with the tools they have available at the time. Like, King Kong's rippling fur has been rippling for almost eighty years, and will continue to do so for another hundred, at least. If Cooper had had the tech to keep that from happening, he would have done so, wouldn't he? You can only blame a bad effect for being bad when it's made. And with the technology Ridley has available now, I believe he'll be giving us tasteful, beautiful shots - unlike Alien Resurrection's 'down the throat' cam, for instance.

QuoteYou can only blame a bad effect for being bad when it's made.

I did.  After the special effects leap of Star Wars - not to mention the visual effects of Blade Runner, I wouldn't expect such a glaringly obvious special effect to make the cut.

Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 11, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
I wouldnt want to put words in his mouth, but the way i saw his post was that he was suggesting the reason why its not such a direct prequel to Alien is so that a sequel to Prometheus wouldnt necessarily have to continue forwards towards the first film nor tie directly into it.

So if for arguments sake Prometheus was set 1 year before Alien, Prometheus 2 wouldnt necessarily be set 6 months before Alien and carry on leading up to that film, but could go off on a tangent establishing a parallel story to Alien if Fox wanted to continue it as a franchise.

And this makes it not a prequel, how? :)

All 'prequel' means is a film set in the same continuity, made after another one, but chronologically set before it. We don't have to play weird philosophical games by decreeing over or under a certain percentage of references is what makes a prequel what it is. It only needs one deliberately and officially sanctioned reference and to not contradict any canonical history.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 07:08:25 PM
Even Ridley Scott himself said the creature, as it appears today, is tired and not scary. Can it be made scary by way of a bit of a re-imagining of it? Yes. In terms of the that plot device of people running down corridors or hallways on space ships, that IS probably more worn out then the creature itself. It would have to be infused with something great to turn it on its head if a good director is going to use that formula once again. :)

By that logic, we will never have any films, whatsoever, which include predatory creatures or human killers. But there are always methods of doing it well - and like I said, people rewatch the first two films all the time. If they weren't still entertained by them, even though they know what will happen, then they wouldn't do.

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 12, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
But where the **** is a jockey in this picture?

There isn't. People are looking for things and making guesses.

It's known as simulacra. :)

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
It was in response to "This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps."

I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years.  He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.

As the continued inability to simply cut between the fake Ash head and the Nostromo crew, to offset how jarring it is when suddenly seeing the actor's own, aptly demonstrates. :)

If there was one thing that film was in need of having fixed...

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 13, 2011, 04:18:44 AM

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years.  He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.

As the continued inability to simply cut between the fake Ash head and the Nostromo crew, to offset how jarring it is when suddenly seeing the actor's own, aptly demonstrates. :)

If there was one thing that film was in need of having fixed...

Now this, I can get behind. It was a plain editorial decision that might've smoothed the transition between Ian Holm and his headcast. But SM, you talk about the special effects leap of Star Wars, and I call to mind the most similar analogue to the spinners of Blade Runner in that film: Luke's landspeeder entering Mos Eisley... where Lucas simply slathered some vaseline on the lens, to cover up the speeder's wheels. Ridley could have done the same to the shots of his spinner, but that would have created a blurry glow in the rain. Would that have been better?

QuoteAs the continued inability to simply cut between the fake Ash head and the Nostromo crew, to offset how jarring it is when suddenly seeing the actor's own, aptly demonstrates.

If there was one thing that film was in need of having fixed...

Quite.  And I've seen a version aired on TV where they had a quick cutaway close up of Ripley between the dummy head and the Holm head.  How it hasn't appeared on DVD or Blu-Ray baffles me.

QuoteNow this, I can get behind. It was a plain editorial decision that might've smoothed the transition between Ian Holm and his headcast. But SM, you talk about the special effects leap of Star Wars, and I call to mind the most similar analogue to the spinners of Blade Runner in that film: Luke's landspeeder entering Mos Eisley... where Lucas simply slathered some vaseline on the lens, to cover up the speeder's wheels. Ridley could have done the same to the shots of his spinner, but that would have created a blurry glow in the rain. Would that have been better?

The landspeeder floats on some antigrav field - vaseline on the lens works in terms of the narrative and to hide the effect.  Riddles would've been better off in that shot to dim the background lighting to hide the wires.  It's already at night and could easily have gotten away with the dark background.  It's not broad daylight like the landspeeder.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 04:51:16 AM

QuoteNow this, I can get behind. It was a plain editorial decision that might've smoothed the transition between Ian Holm and his headcast. But SM, you talk about the special effects leap of Star Wars, and I call to mind the most similar analogue to the spinners of Blade Runner in that film: Luke's landspeeder entering Mos Eisley... where Lucas simply slathered some vaseline on the lens, to cover up the speeder's wheels. Ridley could have done the same to the shots of his spinner, but that would have created a blurry glow in the rain. Would that have been better?

The landspeeder floats on some antigrav field - vaseline on the lens works in terms of the narrative and to hide the effect.  Riddles would've been better off in that shot to dim the background lighting to hide the wires.  It's already at night and could easily have gotten away with the dark background.  It's not broad daylight like the landspeeder.

Okay, I concede, you've got me there. Doing so might not have given Ridley the shot that he wanted, but it might have hidden the wires. Still, with today's technology, I believe Ridley & co. will give us a realistic looking film. But I thank you for a respectful and intelligent debate!  :)

No worries.  And I agree that it's highly likely the visual effects on this will work.

For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

I almost hope that the giant head is nothing more than a than a catalog placard for the ampules in the room.  Like going to the zoo and they have a picture of an animal with some info next to the cage.  It would be pretty need if there were other ampule rooms with different (alien) giant statues.  A pinch of this and a dash of that..  Oh crap..  That combo was a very nasty critter..

My guess is that it's the true face of the jockey, but we'll see.

Brace for disappointment.

Yeah... the head has a pretty significant use in the movie..

So, Atlantis, in no way will the movie work because of that head in the Ampule room? You think it will probably suck because of the head?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 02:19:23 PM
So, Atlantis, in no way will the movie work because of that head in the Ampule room? You think it will probably suck because of the head?

Well, it's not making Alien any better

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

What??? Dude it's a frigging set piece. I mean I guess if you want to be all emo over a set piece then maybe this movie's not for you.

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 13, 2011, 02:34:29 PM

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

What??? Dude it's a frigging set piece. I mean I guess if you want to be all emo over a set piece then maybe this movie's not for you.

There's context for everything, and right now, we have zero context for the head set piece in the ampule room.

In terms of science, real and true science....the evidence is there and NASA and scientists have stated that Humanity could not have gotten it start without a push from some kind of extraterrestrial or divine source (divine and extraterrestrial are an interchangeable word to me).

So it would make more then plausible sense that whatever started our race also started a similarly looking race of beings on other planets and may have tributes to their likeness of some kind?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
There's context for everything, and right now, we have zero context for the head set piece in the ampule room.

In terms of science, real and true science....the evidence is there and NASA and scientists have stated that Humanity could not have gotten it start without a push from some kind of extraterrestrial or divine source (divine and extraterrestrial are an interchangeable word to me).

So it would make more then plausible sense that whatever started our race also started a similarly looking race of beings on other planets and may have tributes to their likeness of some kind?

That context is based on rubbish junk science. There is no evidence that humanity got "pushed" by a divine/extraterrestial force. We got here due to random chemical imbalances and pure luck, that's about it.

Actually...let me restate my assertion.

NASA and the Science community has said that Life on earth needed a push, or a jump start. They do not know what, but they agree upon that fact. Based on that.....anything is possible.

If it turns out that the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is poor... I'll be disappointed that my own thoughts/ideas on the SJ's and the derelict have been sullied. However, if the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is good... I'll be more than fine with that approach. :)

Nothing wrong with being a Gay open-minded libertarian militant atheist...I mean, look at THIS lot! (http://vimeo.com/15773748)


Nothing wrong with being a gay open-minded libertarian militant atheist...I mean, look at THIS lot!

Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 13, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
If it turns out that the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is poor... I'll be disappointed that my own thoughts/ideas on the SJ's and the derelict have been sullied. However, if the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is good... I'll be more than fine with that approach. :)

well, I suppose there could be the whole series of ideas that build up through the film about their connection with the origins of the human race and then suddenly we discover that none of this might actually be as real as that.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Actually...let me restate my assertion.

NASA and the Science community has said that Life on earth needed a push, or a jump start. They do not know what, but they agree upon that fact. Based on that.....anything is possible.

I think you're talking about Panspermia...it's an idea that life here could have been seeded by some extraterrestrial source. But that could be as simple as comets distributing organic compounds or even simple microbes into the early Earth atmosphere. It's not "divine," however, more an introduction of organic compounds from interstellar space.

And it's not something the scientific community and NASA have said as a whole. It's an idea...barely a hypothesis, and certainly nowhere near a theory.

There's a thread for the ancient astronaut theory already: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.msg1240744#new (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.msg1240744#new)

on a related note

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Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 13, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
If it turns out that the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is poor... I'll be disappointed that my own thoughts/ideas on the SJ's and the derelict have been sullied. However, if the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is good... I'll be more than fine with that approach. :)

well, I suppose there could be the whole series of ideas that build up through the film about their connection with the origins of the human race and then suddenly we discover that none of this might actually be as real as that.

I think several of the posters in this thread are missing out the 'FICTION' in the term 'Science-FICTION', just because it offends what they WANT this film to be according to their BELIEF system.

It's a sci-fi (or SF, if you prefer...)film from Sir Ridley Scott that we DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT.

Give IT (and others) a break.

Properly stated Glaive. All this criticism for a film no one has seen based off of set pieces we don't have a context for.

I agree fully..

But this has been the trend in this community since before AvP1 was released on PC back in the 90's.

Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 13, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
I agree fully..

But this has been the trend in this community since before AvP1 was released on PC back in the 90's.

Probably because 85% of anything Alien or Predator related has been absolute garbage since then.

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Actually...let me restate my assertion.

NASA and the Science community has said that Life on earth needed a push, or a jump start. They do not know what, but they agree upon that fact. Based on that.....anything is possible.

I think you're talking about Panspermia...it's an idea that life here could have been seeded by some extraterrestrial source. But that could be as simple as comets distributing organic compounds or even simple microbes into the early Earth atmosphere. It's not "divine," however, more an introduction of organic compounds from interstellar space.

And it's not something the scientific community and NASA have said as a whole. It's an idea...barely a hypothesis, and certainly nowhere near a theory.

No, he doesn't mean that.
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note

http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg

Did you make this one ? :o

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Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
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Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut.  That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.

Those wires were visible in various versions of the film for 25 years - thus showing the a dodgy effect is a dodgy effect no matter how it's executed.

Not sure what you're going for, here. With the Final Cut, Rid had the technology to go in and brush those cables out, and he did so. It was a tasteful revision. If he'd filled the movie up with dancing Jar-Jars, you might be onto something. But again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We're talking about how Ridley's going to use the tools, aren't we?

You can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!

Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.

But who created the aliens? |:[

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Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.

But who created the aliens? |:[

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Quote from: Mus on Dec 13, 2011, 08:52:47 PM

Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.

But who created the aliens? |:[

H.R. Giger.  The more pertinent question is who created H.R Giger and how can he have lived for so long?!

Scientists have FOUND what looks like.....A SPACE-CRAFT..... that was made by our ancestors.....who had NO.....HAAANDS.....How can this be? It must be ALIENS. NOTHING else.....makes any sense!

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 13, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Scientists have FOUND what looks like.....A SPACE-CRAFT..... that was made by our ancestors.....who had NO.....HAAANDS.....How can this be? It must be ALIENS. NOTHING else.....makes any sense!

The people who think this way, by jumping to conclusions, lack both common sense and rationality (possibly sanity too).

Yeah but it makes for amusing television.

I think some of the ideas are interesting and it is possible that mainstream archaelogical theory has gotten stuff wrong and now won't go back on their word. But not every conclusion is aliens.

QuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!

1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:12:46 PM

QuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!

1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.

The dropship isn't full-size. the spinner is, which would explain the confusion...

Christ, people, is there some war between Blade Runner and Aliens?

There isn't any confusion.

Or war.

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 13, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
Christ, people, is there some war between Blade Runner and Aliens?

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:39:26 PM
There isn't any confusion.

Or war.

Aliens... "This time it isn't war!"

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note

http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg

:o

That's incredible...

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note

http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg

:o

That's incredible...

And got allot of vitamins!

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.

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Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.

I read his post and i don't see how you got the "because its not backed by world science". He was saying the space jockey creating us and the xeno destroys the mystery for him. Can you point to me where he implyed that he didn't like it due to it not being backed by real world science?

It was a response from a PM he sent me... my bad!

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Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 14, 2011, 04:00:28 PM

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.

I read his post and i don't see how you got the "because its not backed by world science". He was saying the space jockey creating us and the xeno destroys the mystery for him. Can you point to me where he implyed that he didn't like it due to it not being backed by real world science?

I'm not too keen on the idea of what the sculpture MIGHT mean either, all I know is in Prometheus (the myth) god created man in his own image, which POSSIBLY points to the Space Jockey being humanoid at least, we'll just have to see how it plays out.  It's worth mentioning though, many scientific quarters in the real world believe there's a fair chance we originated from somewhere else, that we're a product of some advanced form of humanity somewhere out there.

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Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:12:46 PM

QuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!

1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.

As I understood it you were talking about how the effect stood out, and I my point was "who cares!"  I guess it did bother Riddles because he went in and scrubbed them out on Blade Runner, yet I hardly noticed anyway.  And even though wires are even MORE visible in the Blu-Ray version of Aliens Cameron left them in, because it didn't matter...that's all I'm saying!

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 14, 2011, 04:00:28 PM

Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...

Alien ( 1979) is the top...

When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

Regards: Atlantis

Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.

Quote from: RoaryUK on Dec 14, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
... all I know is in Prometheus (the myth) god created man in his own image, which POSSIBLY points to the Space Jockey being humanoid at least...

In the myth of Prometheus, the eponymous semi-god (if memory serves me right) poaches the fire and imparts it to the mankind, but none initiative is let go unpunished, so his liver is eaten out on the daily basis, hence the myth is not creating of man. And as we all have not seen the movie yet, Prometheus' lot (punished by higher beings) can be associated with E. Shaw's scientific crew, as well as with mysterious creatures aka Space Jockeys, subsequently SJ can be just another extraterrestial race, which is created by the same higher beings, who initiated life on Earth.

The point is it's senseless to make any inferrences whithout having watched the movie itself (and distorting ancient Greek mythology to boot)  :)

Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 14, 2011, 07:22:45 PM
In the myth of Prometheus, the eponymous semi-god (if memory serves me right)

Prometheus was a Titan that sided with the Olympic Gods in the Titanomachy.  8)

Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 14, 2011, 07:22:45 PM...hence the myth is not creating of man

Prometheus created man from clay in the later versions of the myth, but in older versions man was created by the gods and Prometheus was the Titan tasked with 'shaping' them into civilized beings.

For what that's worth.

-Chris

But if the space jockeys created us, who created them?
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Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 14, 2011, 11:29:37 PMBut if the space jockeys created us, who created them?

That's the spine in the heel of all creation myths and why they don't really work. I am hoping that Prometheus leaves this fairly ambiguous.

-Chris

Evolution. 

Or is this movie going to entirely dismiss the concepts of primitive human ape ancestors, cavemen, and dinosaurs?

Just because jockeys are a bunch of lab-geeks creating species doesn't mean they don't use scientific methods.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 14, 2011, 11:42:42 PMOr is this movie going to entirely dismiss the concepts of primitive human ape ancestors, cavemen, and dinosaurs?

I guess you could have a story that has the Space Jockeys as life seeders, not necessarily creators. Like giant alien bees, traveling about the galaxy planting life on suitable planets. This puts the creation furphy aside and leaves evolution and everything that we know about the origins of life on earth intact, for the most part. It seems to fit with some of the rhetoric about the film as well.

-Chris

I see them as being terraformers and probably an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

Be interesting to see what the Jockey(s) will do. If they filmed at a waterfall, I assume they somehow get our waterworks going, which will of course hold all the genetic material that the plants and animals will evolve from.

Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AMPeople tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

My understanding is that water came from the earth as a by product of the atmospheres formation, not from comets from space.

Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AM...an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

That's a good theory.

-Chris

Valaquen, ChrisPachi, thanks for the remarks!
PS. I guess, I still have a half of a year to peruse this piece of mythology  ;D

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 15, 2011, 12:20:27 AM
My understanding is that water came from the earth as a by product of the atmospheres formation, not from comets from space.

terraforming...  ;)

Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AM
I see them as being terraformers and probably an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

Be interesting to see what the Jockey(s) will do. If they filmed at a waterfall, I assume they somehow get our waterworks going, which will of course hold all the genetic material that the plants and animals will evolve from.

or they don't have anything to do with life in general and terraforming on earth.maybe they just created or engineered us. to say they terraformed the planet and created all lfe it means we will see our planet billions of years in the past and i don't think they will do that.plus humans only developed a few million years ago.so i doubt they terraformed the planet,created all kinds of live,then returned billions on hundreds of millions years after to put us on the map.

just a thought.

and water on earth came from asteroids and comets who crashed on earth

Now Im really getting excited about the film.

The earth has gone through so many exctintion events that you could enter the Space Jockeys at any point in a story and make them the cause.  It just depends on how "ancient" you want the race to be.  Maybe they saw Dinosaurs as an evolutionary dead end and released the Xenos on them (Xeno Dinosaurs would be something to see!).  Or, maybe they just decided to nudge that comet into the earth and come back later to check on the results.  That would certianly count as terraforming (like using a maul to tap in finishing nails but sometimes you just break out the big hammer).

Maybe they decided the Neanderthal species was a dead-end and used some ampule goo to modify them into Homo sapiens back about 200K years ago?  The options are endless  ;)

I mention the terraforming because Ridley said that the film deals with terraformers and Engineers in space.

The waterfall seen from Norway also hints at a more barren Earth with water springing throughout it when we see "the start of time". You could argue this is the point when life started on Earth rather than the upspring of Homo Sapiens.

Then you have to wonder why Jockeys are terraforming a planet. They cant just be doing it for shiz and giggles. Think how Lovecraftian it is to have a Jockey terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...

Plus I feel the big theories Ridley mentions can be dealt with from this plotline.

Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 06:56:25 PM...terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...

I love the way you think. It could also be that the 'clue to the origins of mankind on Earth' is deliberate, a way of leading humans to the Engineers when they are sufficiently advanced enough and therefore 'ready' for whatever horrors they intend. It is a similar plot device to 2001 I know, but it's a good story arc IMO.

Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 15, 2011, 01:47:08 PM...and water on earth came from asteroids and comets who crashed on earth

I know it's off topic, but this has been bugging me. Current scientific knowledge discounts the idea of the purely extraterrestrial origins of Earth's water and instead now suggests that a large percentage of it was already present in the material that formed the Earth, namely by the existence of hydrogen and oxygen.

-Chris

Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
I mention the terraforming because Ridley said that the film deals with terraformers and Engineers in space.

The waterfall seen from Norway also hints at a more barren Earth with water springing throughout it when we see "the start of time". You could argue this is the point when life started on Earth rather than the upspring of Homo Sapiens.

Then you have to wonder why Jockeys are terraforming a planet. They cant just be doing it for shiz and giggles. Think how Lovecraftian it is to have a Jockey terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...

Plus I feel the big theories Ridley mentions can be dealt with from this plotline.

But wouldn't that mean they'd have to somehow end up a billion years in the past for that to work?

Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 15, 2011, 10:47:35 PMBut wouldn't that mean they'd have to somehow end up a billion years in the past for that to work?

It's possible. If they are in the planet terraforming business then they are used to long lead times. ;)

-Chris

Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

And I have another question, why is there so much firing between crew of the ship and (maybe) Jockeys????

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PMJust a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Maybe they are not firing at the crew at all, the crew are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. This could be terraforming in action; a giant machine rolling across a planet's surface and firing down urns or 'seeds'.

-Chris

Doesn't look like "wrong time, wrong place" to me at all...The crew members are holding guns in one scene..

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:16:19 PMDoesn't look like "wrong time, wrong place" to me at all...The crew members are holding guns in one scene..

I just meant on that one sequence, of the astronaut running away from the big scary thing that is shooting out 'stuff'. In regards to the guns, if you look at how they are behaving it looks like a 'hands up, nobody move' kind of action, not a 'shoot the shit out of the alien monster' type action. I think these guys are the mercenaries that are listed in the cast and there is a human against human conflict as well.

-Chris

I'm not expecting Aliens type action movie at all from Prometheus, but Ridley Scott can make briliant action scenes too (Black Hawk Down)...I'm sure we will get our "action" dose in Prometheus too... ;)

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.

Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

As this thread progressed, I think we NEED the official trailer....With this leaked trailer it's like with UFO's...We have better and better HD cameras and phones that are HD recording capable,but when something interesting shows up, people have only the shittiest old phones around... :-[

I still say that leaked trailer was Fox's doing.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.

Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

i think that, too. for me the ship don't looks anyhow like the derelict kind. except for the short cut shown at the end of the trailer.

Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.
Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

It could be two completely different moments that are shown in the trailer. Firstly it shows the derelict, then people running from an massive encroaching shadow, then a shot shows that they are running from something that could be the derelict, and then the shot in question looks like something else altogether.

Spoiler

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The object in the last frame doesn't seem to fit with the object shown in the proceeding two.

EDIT: There actually are some similarities

Spoiler

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-Chris

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:43:25 PM
Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...

I agree. Dark Knight Rises is I think more highly anticpated, yet lotss and lots of pictures have surfaced. it only makes people want to know more.

Quote from: AndroidDavid on Dec 16, 2011, 12:30:06 AM

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:43:25 PM
Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...

I agree. Dark Knight Rises is I think more highly anticpated, yet lotss and lots of pictures have surfaced. it only makes people want to know more.

Dark Knight Rises? Really? Must be a genre thing, most of these comic strip/fantasy films leave me cold. To be honest I can't quite believe there are so many Batman films.

Still I think it's great they are keeping a tight reign on info about Prometheus.

Well Dark Knight rises was shot a lot on location, the production tried at first to prevent the leaks then they did not bother anymore. How can you stop people from taking pictures with their smart phones when you're shooting a brawl in Wall Street with hundreds of actors?
As for the story same as Prometheus, nobody knows just guesses...
PROMETHEUS has been shot mostly in closed sound stages or at isolated locations.
A lot of movies get the same treatment and are hush hush (the next Neil Blombkamp for exemple ELYSIUM).
Previous Scott's movies too...
So PROMETHEUS has nothing special going on for that matter.
We are just focused on this movie in particular.

As for the new Batman movies.
It would be a mistake to put them in the same wave of the comic book movie wave
The thing with the Dark Knight movies is that it's more a drama action thriller set in some sort of alternate real world than comic book fantasy. Nolan followed every rules that Scott used for ALIEN or BLADE RUNNER and applied them to the super hero genre.
If Scott did a Batman (or any superhero) movie i have no doubt it would look like Nolan's.

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.

Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

It's both i think.
I have no doubt that the exploding ship is the derelict class Engineer's ship.
Then you have the debris and piece of landing gear from the shoot in Iceland?
Do the math. A human ship crashing into the Engineers ship to prevent him from reaching Earth.
Janek last stand ;)
And debris are flying all around, Shaw and Theron running for their lives.

Um, the math on that may be wrong as those pieces we've seen in various photos are probably comped together. Sets are normally built in pieces. You're WILDLY speculating, which is of course okay. :)

Look at the pics again.
They show clear traces of damages ;)

Yes there are damages, but they could've crashed landed or many things, which of course includes purposefully crashing into the SJs ship to prevent it from going to earth, however unlikely that leap is. :)

Yeah it just seems obvious to me but hey thats me ^^
We ll see ;)

But why unlikely?

I guess because, based on all we know, or the little we know about Prometheus, deducing a big plot point like that based on some questionable damages is stretching logic. However, we are creatures of speculation to be sure. Tally ho!

After thinking more on my earlier post about the Engineer being responsible for terraforming Earth I got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

So I got to thinking what if the Engineer was this "higher being and servant of the gods" and as such the gods, wanting Earth as a future domain, watch over the planet and engineer humanity, a race in the image of the gods, so they can terraform a world they know will be suitable to them, rather than creating an inhospitable world, wasting millenia of their time.

The Engineer would be imprisoned for trying to give humanity something forbidden. Just like the Prometheus allegory Ridley alluded to in a recent interview.

Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

I find it hard to believe they did this over so long purely to have a place to live on... why take so many billions of years to do this? Why not settle in once the ecosystem levelled out billions of years ago? Was Earth just a research petri dish of biological engineering (Perhaps why the Engineer is called as he is) to them?
Did the Engineer rebelled against them, trying to save early humanity from being a slave-race to these alien gods with the gift of some advancement in technology and they got imprisoned for their efforts and so we are left to evolve and gain technology alone?

Perhaps the gods left of their own will like in 2001 and left clues to find them when we were sufficiently advanced? Then we are to be judged of being worthy to continue to exist? Recent plot-points revealed allude to it, what with an archeological dig revealing a star-map.

...Maybe perhaps the gift to humanity from the Engineer was his own genes to some humans?? Then evolution helped along the way to differentiate us? That would suitably get the gods goats up enough, I'd think, putting someone elses booger into the petri dish.

So many possibilities... any opinions?

Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AM


Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

harlock,
You've made some good points in your post.

As for the time scale problem, maybe here is when the time travel issue enters on the movie scene...maybe  :)
Though is not in my taste (I'd prefer nothing about time travel in Prometheus)... 

Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMNow why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.

Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee395%2FChrisPachi%2Fapro3.jpg&hash=b80a9d257cfb32690d38d06685a8f781d3fd17da)

Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg

Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

-Chris

Sounds and look perfectly right!

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

Here be dragons...

Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMI got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

The head looks Angle-European. If the Engineers were responsible for creating humans, then they must of guided own evolution to some degree. The suggestion is that they are the 'missing-link' somehow, and not for early humans, for modern humans.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:59:03 AMHere be dragons..

I was recently reading through wmmvrrvrrmm's (most excellent) blog and came across this quote from Ridley:

Quote...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil,  was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.

Maybe someone with more context on this comment can clarify (the Laserdisc edition of Alien, released in 1992?), but it sure is an intriguing statement. Unless he was totally drunk at the time. ::)

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 03:05:18 AM

Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMI got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

The head looks Angle-European. If the Engineers were responsible for creating humans, then they must of guided own evolution to some degree. The suggestion is that they are the 'missing-link' somehow, and not for early humans, for modern humans.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:59:03 AMHere be dragons..

I was recently reading through wmmvrrvrrmm's (most excellent) blog and came across this quote from Ridley:

Quote...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil,  was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.

Maybe someone with more context on this comment can clarify (the Laserdisc edition of Alien, released in 1992?), but it sure is an intriguing statement. Unless he was totally drunk at the time. ::)

-Chris

Sounds like he's channeling ideas from Nigel Kneale's 'Quatermass and the Pit'. Fine with me, it's a great idea.

I'm not a big fan of the giant (Caucasian) human head and the whole ET creationism thing. Getting strange vibes (in a bad way)... Still excited about the movie though.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AM

Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMNow why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.

Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg

Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

-Chris

The engineers sound like intergalctic chavs, smashing up bus stops, creating murals and starting the human race!

The Engineer only created the human race so he could get a council planet to live in...  ;D