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An editor posted on our wikia recently, adding an image of what is apparently a female Predator. I followed this up with further searches.

Now, assuming the images are correct and not fake, I think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species? Just add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them. The predator is like reptillian for one thing and ignoring that some species may have some glands, they should not share a human form, they are already similar enough as it is.

I guess I might be over-reacting but  given how low these franchises have gone at some point with the whole egg-barfing, AvP Requiem, The predator, dna harvesting and stupid autism = evolution thing, I didn't think it can get lower....

But behold a clearly very base male idea of a female predator...

I apologize for the rant but this just stupid, really stupid. I sincerely hope those images are fake and not real.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Yautja_(Predator)?file=FempredHG.png#Males_and_Females
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg
https://img.youtube.com/vi/rQ8PsxJN6eE/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrExo4JQgpewgcAYLKJzbkF;
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/10/predator-hunting-grounds-launching-april-24th-2020/

Just to let you know, I haven't watched any of the videos or behind the scenes, so if I am wrong in any way which I actually hope I am because I don't want this to be true, just let me know. Maybe its just some player customiztion or a mod or something.

Just to clarify as well, I have no problem with there being female predators, I just don't think they should be made to resemble human females, its just such a base and stupid idea in my own personal opinion.

Yes, I agree. This is the best way to pull it off for human video game players. Otherwise there was never really any information if Predators in films are males or females. Unless somebody thinks that Jungle Hunter and City Hunter are males because they do not have breasts and female body proportions.

Anyways they are like Conan and Valeria from Conan the Barbarian for me now.

(https://bandsaboutmovies.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/b685b2b3982015bd01b3544f1a004b09.jpg)

There is a German fan made film of predator in 1940 that is a female and has bare breasts for the film

Yikes #RantAlert

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
An editor posted on our wikia recently, adding an image of what is apparently a female Predator. I followed this up with further searches.

Now, assuming the images are correct and not fake,

Errr... you said you did further searches, yet you have to assume the images are correct and not fake?  The Female Predator announcement only has been all over the place including AvP Galaxy. And you even linked to a pic from Playstation's official website, but still you have to assume it's not fake?

QuoteI think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species?

But the people who agree with this particular humanoid female Predator design are not twits, right?

QuoteJust add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them. The predator is like reptillian for one thing and ignoring that some species may have some glands, they should not share a human form, they are already similar enough as it is.

I guess I might be over-reacting but  given how low these franchises have gone at some point with the whole egg-barfing, AvP Requiem, The predator, dna harvesting and stupid autism = evolution thing, I didn't think it can get lower....

But behold a clearly very base male idea of a female predator...

I apologize for the rant but this just stupid, really stupid. I sincerely hope those images are fake and not real.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Yautja_(Predator)?file=FempredHG.png#Males_and_Females
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg
https://img.youtube.com/vi/rQ8PsxJN6eE/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrExo4JQgpewgcAYLKJzbkF;
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/10/predator-hunting-grounds-launching-april-24th-2020/

Just to let you know, I haven't watched any of the videos or behind the scenes, so if I am wrong in any way which I actually hope I am because I don't want this to be true, just let me know. Maybe its just some player customiztion or a mod or something.

Yet, you said you did searches!  Sorry, I'm just confused by this post.

QuoteJust to clarify as well, I have no problem with there being female predators, I just don't think they should be made to resemble human females, its just such a base and stupid idea in my own personal opinion.

Clearly noted!  :laugh: 

Yes The Cruentus, the debate has been going for weeks here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63081.0

And even here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=35808.4350

And I personally am good with the design and the logic behind it. So I'll vote yes.  :)

The big issue here is that the female have a very small amount of physical depictions that this is going to be a little hard to accept especially so at this point given we tend to view the cinematic Predators as male. As such if this is just what the males look like we tend to assume the females work roughly the same way.
Frankly so much to the point Kenner was going to do a female like that and Predators had that bit of concept art sitting around'

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alienscollection.com%2Ffemalepredator2.jpg&hash=ddbf3f4e2e14f5f6c3788f97f0f3e3f585b181ea)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/conceptart/concept15.jpg)

Reduced breasts is fine as I'd take an athletic build but if the females have breasts and infant Predators are messy eaters than f**k it that works to.

I do prefer an athletic build myself, but I'm fine with breasts. I can visualize a Newborn Predator Baby and what it could do and clamp on to, with a soft tissue pre-adult mouth like this with no tusks, teeth or fangs. Fortunately it doesn't require much imagination because DaddyYautja already put it so eloquently  :):

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 11, 2019, 09:50:02 AMThe babies, of cooooooourse, are not born with spikey teeth. They probably just got some nubs on the outer jaw that gently massage the breast to secrete milk that squirts into the inner jaw.

Imagine this mouth as an infant:
(https://us.v-cdn.net/5020761/uploads/editor/4b/4cunpb7vgwis.jpeg)

But considering Predators are humanoids, I don't find this new Predator female nonsensical at all. 

(https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg)

It's quite logical to have the female Predator resembling Human Females from the neck down, considering what's perceived as Male Predators and how greatly they resemble Human Males from the neck down... with a strategically placed codpieces of course!  Predators are indeed humanoids!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/avp-script-to-screen-11.jpg)

Say you don't like it?  Sure, I get it.  But say it's nonsensical or illogical?  No way!

Let's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Let's calm our tits.

:laugh:

but yes!!!  Saying

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 06:38:55 PMthis is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs

comes across to me as a bit pretentious and plain unfair towards the devs in my humble opinion.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Yikes #RantAlert

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
An editor posted on our wikia recently, adding an image of what is apparently a female Predator. I followed this up with further searches.

Now, assuming the images are correct and not fake,

Errr... you said you did further searches, yet you have to assume the images are correct and not fake?  The Female Predator announcement only has been all over the place including AvP Galaxy. And you even linked to a pic from Playstation's official website, but still you have to assume it's not fake?

QuoteI think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species?

But the people who agree with this particular humanoid female Predator design are not twits, right?

QuoteJust add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them. The predator is like reptillian for one thing and ignoring that some species may have some glands, they should not share a human form, they are already similar enough as it is.

I guess I might be over-reacting but  given how low these franchises have gone at some point with the whole egg-barfing, AvP Requiem, The predator, dna harvesting and stupid autism = evolution thing, I didn't think it can get lower....

But behold a clearly very base male idea of a female predator...

I apologize for the rant but this just stupid, really stupid. I sincerely hope those images are fake and not real.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Yautja_(Predator)?file=FempredHG.png#Males_and_Females
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg
https://img.youtube.com/vi/rQ8PsxJN6eE/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrExo4JQgpewgcAYLKJzbkF;
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/10/predator-hunting-grounds-launching-april-24th-2020/

Just to let you know, I haven't watched any of the videos or behind the scenes, so if I am wrong in any way which I actually hope I am because I don't want this to be true, just let me know. Maybe its just some player customiztion or a mod or something.

Yet, you said you did searches!  Sorry, I'm just confused by this post.

QuoteJust to clarify as well, I have no problem with there being female predators, I just don't think they should be made to resemble human females, its just such a base and stupid idea in my own personal opinion.

Clearly noted!  :laugh: 

Yes The Cruentus, the debate has been going for weeks here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63081.0

And even here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=35808.4350

And I personally am good with the design and the logic behind it. So I'll vote yes.  :)

Perhaps you can try that again with some less dickishness. Sorry to say but I am not on here 24/7 to be able to keep up with everything. The addition to our wikia was first I have heard of it. Maybe don't assume everyone knows about it.  Besides I already said I might be over-reacting and I apologized for the rant.


If you like it, then power to you but some of us, at least me anyway probably expected a bit more maturity from the devs.

Also to clarify, I did image only searches primarily and merely for links, just to make sure what was put on the wiki is not fake. Better safe than sorry after all.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Let's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

I get what you're saying, it just seems unoriginal, its like their answer to every female alien species is just to add breasts.
Yes, they should look a little different, maybe either being them taller or shorter, different shaped head maybe. 

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Yikes #RantAlert

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
An editor posted on our wikia recently, adding an image of what is apparently a female Predator. I followed this up with further searches.

Now, assuming the images are correct and not fake,

Errr... you said you did further searches, yet you have to assume the images are correct and not fake?  The Female Predator announcement only has been all over the place including AvP Galaxy. And you even linked to a pic from Playstation's official website, but still you have to assume it's not fake?

QuoteI think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species?

But the people who agree with this particular humanoid female Predator design are not twits, right?

QuoteJust add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them. The predator is like reptillian for one thing and ignoring that some species may have some glands, they should not share a human form, they are already similar enough as it is.

I guess I might be over-reacting but  given how low these franchises have gone at some point with the whole egg-barfing, AvP Requiem, The predator, dna harvesting and stupid autism = evolution thing, I didn't think it can get lower....

But behold a clearly very base male idea of a female predator...

I apologize for the rant but this just stupid, really stupid. I sincerely hope those images are fake and not real.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Yautja_(Predator)?file=FempredHG.png#Males_and_Females
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg
https://img.youtube.com/vi/rQ8PsxJN6eE/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrExo4JQgpewgcAYLKJzbkF;
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/10/predator-hunting-grounds-launching-april-24th-2020/

Just to let you know, I haven't watched any of the videos or behind the scenes, so if I am wrong in any way which I actually hope I am because I don't want this to be true, just let me know. Maybe its just some player customiztion or a mod or something.

Yet, you said you did searches!  Sorry, I'm just confused by this post.

QuoteJust to clarify as well, I have no problem with there being female predators, I just don't think they should be made to resemble human females, its just such a base and stupid idea in my own personal opinion.

Clearly noted!  :laugh: 

Yes The Cruentus, the debate has been going for weeks here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63081.0

And even here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=35808.4350

And I personally am good with the design and the logic behind it. So I'll vote yes.  :)

Perhaps you can try that again with some less dickishness. Sorry to say but I am not on here 24/7 to be able to keep up with everything. The addition to our wikia was first I have heard of it. Maybe don't assume everyone knows about it.  Besides I already said I might be over-reacting and I apologized for the rant.


If you like it, then power to you but some of us, at least me anyway probably expected a bit more maturity from the devs.

Also to clarify, I did image only searches primarily and merely for links, just to make sure what was put on the wiki is not fake. Better safe than sorry after all.

To be fair, in regard to this:

QuotePerhaps you can try that again with some less dickishness.

I think that can be applied more to your initial post. You said the devs actions were stupid, if not perverted. Now you're questioning their maturity. I think you can show design disapproval, without such comments.

And in regards to your explanation not knowing if this was fake or not, I am just surprised you'd risk typing a whole rant including a poll about something you weren't sure was real.  I didn't get it now and honestly still don't... especially when a quick Google search gets you that answer.

Difference is that my post was not directly aimed at anyone specific, it was done with just general in mind,  unlike your uncivil post and I strongly believe that folks in the media industry should have had higher standards, the whole breasts on Predators is lazy and non-sensical, they are thinking like some fanfiction writers do. Besides I did say in the very same post, that I was over-reacting..  ::)

I checked to make sure it was real, I just hoped it wasn't, I put "assuming" for neutrality purposes i,e just on the off chance it could be fake. Better safe than sorry.

If you like tits on a predator, fair enough, I fully expect (and have no issue with ) some of the fandom having their preferences like that, within reason. But game developers making an official product (if it is canon) should have put more thought into it than what a presumably a hormonal teenage would

Just doesn't seem a mature design choice to me but that is my view on the matter.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Let's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

I would love it if this just became a thing. Like every time we get close to finding out what a Predator titty looks like it's always covered in a robe or chest plate. The shape is there but we don't know for sure. Kind of like a running gag for the franchise whenever the females pop up. Always covered or the female is just out of view so we don't know.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:03:40 PM
Difference is that my post was not directly aimed at anyone specific, it was done with just general in mind,  unlike your uncivil post and I strongly believe that folks in the media industry should have had higher standards, the whole breasts on Predators is lazy and non-sensical, they are thinking like some fanfiction writers do. Besides I did say in the very same post, that I was over-reacting..  ::)

Ah, as long as you don't call the devs by name, a team that some of us have spoken to, as long as you don't refer to someone specific and caveat you're overreacting, we can imply they're possibly 'twits", "perverted", "stupid" and more because your opinion doesn't align with theirs.

Yes, you definitely have the moral high-ground my friend.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 30, 2019, 11:08:43 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Let's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

I would love it if this just became a thing. Like every time we get close to finding out what a Predator titty looks like it's always covered in a robe or chest plate. The shape is there but we don't know for sure. Kind of like a running gag for the franchise whenever the females pop up. Always covered or the female is just out of view so we don't know.

DOTS and rage war had females as being identical to male more or less, which personally I think is better One comic did have one of them with breasts, I think it was the darkness or witchblade crossover though.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 11:23:48 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:03:40 PM
Difference is that my post was not directly aimed at anyone specific, it was done with just general in mind,  unlike your uncivil post and I strongly believe that folks in the media industry should have had higher standards, the whole breasts on Predators is lazy and non-sensical, they are thinking like some fanfiction writers do. Besides I did say in the very same post, that I was over-reacting..  ::)

Ah, asl ong as you don't call the devs by name, a team that some of us have spoken to, as long as you don't refer to someone specific and caveat you're overreacting, we can imply they're possibly 'twits", "perverted", "stupid" and more because your opinion doesn't align with theirs.

Yes, you definitely have the moral high-ground my friend.

Remember there is a report button, I will use it if you continue acting like that. Either be civil or leave, you don't have to be in this thread if you take umbrage with my posts.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Remember there is a report button, I will use it if you continue acting like that. Either be civil or leave, you don't have to be in this thread if you take umbrage with my posts.

I am being civil asking you to please call the idea stupid, not the people. Hicks is trying to line up some interviews with the Devs, and the people who are really deeply interested in this game would hate to see that jeopardized. Appreciate it.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 11:43:03 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Remember there is a report button, I will use it if you continue acting like that. Either be civil or leave, you don't have to be in this thread if you take umbrage with my posts.

I am being civil asking you to please call the idea stupid, not the people. Hicks is trying to line up some interviews with the Devs, and the people who are really deeply interested in this game would hate to see that jeopardized. Appreciate it.

Yes let's please not spike the newest game content in a while because well predator women...

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 11:43:03 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Remember there is a report button, I will use it if you continue acting like that. Either be civil or leave, you don't have to be in this thread if you take umbrage with my posts.

I am being civil asking you to please call the idea stupid, not the people. Hicks is trying to line up some interviews with the Devs, and the people who are really deeply interested in this game would hate to see that jeopardized. Appreciate it.

Being mocking and sarcastic is not being civil. Also us fans have the right to voice our opinions about something, sorry you seem to be taking this oddly personally but this thread is supposed to be a discussion on the portrayal on the female predator and what others think of it. Either contribute or leave. 

Also I didn't call anyone stupid.... I think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species? Just add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them

First part is me calling their actions stupid, not the peeps themselves, second part is not even aimed at the devs, just those that simply think breasts is the answer to everthing when it comes to alien species, Third part where its shame on them, yeah that is aimed at them, because I expected better.

Anyway, I doubt my opinion is going to jeopardize anything unless you're worried they might actually alter the female models, which personally I think they should be done but then I don't think you should be worried, this thread is not going to stop someone from agreeing to an interview, if it did, it would say more about them than me or this thread. 

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:59:41 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 11:43:03 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Remember there is a report button, I will use it if you continue acting like that. Either be civil or leave, you don't have to be in this thread if you take umbrage with my posts.

I am being civil asking you to please call the idea stupid, not the people. Hicks is trying to line up some interviews with the Devs, and the people who are really deeply interested in this game would hate to see that jeopardized. Appreciate it.

Being mocking and sarcastic is not being civil.

I think someone started this by labeling me with "dickishness". You can't possibly suggest that was civil.

QuoteAlso I didn't call anyone stupid.... I think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species? Just add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them

Let me try that on my wife. Gee honey, I didn't call you pretty stupid or perverted, I said your actions were stupid or perverted. See! It's better! Wait honey! Your actions were only just of a twit!  Not you! Don't go!  ;D

I'm wagering you, as I, consider yourself as an intellectual, so I challenge yourself to concede the point that your colorful namecalling or insults and things like the devs should have put more thought into it than what a presumably a "hormonal teenage would" would be found insulting either way and definitely doesn't encourage civil discourse about choices in a cool Predator game coming out. At least give me that. ;)

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 11:59:41 PM
Also I didn't call anyone stupid.... I think this is a pretty stupid (if not perverted) action on part of the game devs, I mean is that the answer to every twits idea about a female alien species? Just add breasts and hourglass frame?!  Shame on them

First part is me calling their actions stupid, not the peeps themselves, second part is not even aimed at the devs, just those that simply think breasts is the answer to everthing when it comes to alien species, Third part where its shame on them, yeah that is aimed at them, because I expected better.

Anyway, I doubt my opinion is going to jeopardize anything unless you're worried they might actually alter the female models, which personally I think they should be done but then I don't think you should be worried, this thread is not going to stop someone from agreeing to an interview, if it did, it would say more about them than me or this thread. 

What way would you portray a female Predator if it was up to you? Let's say I play as a member of fireteam and your version of female Predator approaches me. What way I can recognize if it is her or not if I have not watched any Predator films, or I have watched the first two only?

Quote from: molasar on Dec 31, 2019, 12:24:28 AM
What way would you portray a female Predator if it was up to you? Let's say I play as a member of fireteam and your version of female Predator approaches me. What way I can recognize if it is her or not if I have not watched any Predator films, or I have watched the first two only?

Could be taller, maybe shorter, different shaped head, dreadlock positions and size or different mandibles, skin patterns etc. There is so many ways that a female predator could be done better than just boobs and hips. 

Would or should it really make a difference? Both male and female would be equally deadly.

Lioness'lack manes and are the ones who go out hunting, female sharks are larger if I recall. I just think it could have been done far more better than what those images show.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Could be taller, maybe shorter, different shaped head, dreadlock positions and size or different mandibles, skin patterns etc. There is so many ways that a female predator could be done better than just boobs and hips. 

This way I still would not know that it is her unless some aficionado like you let me know about it. Especially in a fast paced action game. Although if you make a Japanese style mode into it e.g. The Photographic Safari where 4 renowned photographers compete for taking a photo of female Predator for National Geographic Magazine, there is a chance I would.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Would or should it really make a difference? Both male and female would be equally deadly.

If there is no difference, then what is the point in making a female Predator?

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Lioness'lack manes and are the ones who go out hunting, female sharks are larger if I recall. I just think it could have been done far more better than what those images show.

How many people can easily recognize a sex of animals in real world? It must be practical, so this is a choice of developers.

Quote from: molasar on Dec 31, 2019, 01:10:04 AM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Could be taller, maybe shorter, different shaped head, dreadlock positions and size or different mandibles, skin patterns etc. There is so many ways that a female predator could be done better than just boobs and hips. 

This way I still would not know that it is her unless some aficionado like you let me know about it. Especially in a fast paced action game. Although if you make a Japanese style mode into it e.g. The Photographic Safari where 4 renowned photographers compete over taking a photo of female Predator for National Geographic Magazine.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Would or should it really make a difference? Both male and female would be equally deadly.

If there is no difference, then what is the point in making a female Predator?

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Lioness'lack manes and are the ones who go out hunting, female sharks are larger if I recall. I just think it could have been done far more better than what those images show.

How many people can easily recognize a sex of animals in real world? It must be practical, so this is a choice of developers.

I'm already for Illfonic's female Predator design,
and I didn't even consider some of the points your making molasar. Good points!

Adding the breast is worth it to me if only to see how upset people get.

Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 31, 2019, 01:33:29 AM
Adding the breast is worth it to me if only to see how upset people get.

Some fans just want to see the fandom burn.

Every one has a valid opinion. Personally I'm not one to take away from some ones creativity in the name of decency or even morality. Especially in this case it's just that the predator depicts a humanoid woman when the male is well just that a humanoid Male. So as long as they are mammals I see absolutely no reason why they would not wean their young as 90% of mammles do ?

I think that Games shouldn't be censored and it's not up to any one to deem what is appropriate for the general public even for kids to play thats up to the individual /parent to do. It just seems really nitpickie (titpicking) like vehemently objecting to breasts on a predator is very funny to me.

Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 31, 2019, 01:33:29 AM
Adding the breast is worth it to me if only to see how upset people get.

It's been my strange experience that Alien preferential fans have the most problems with it.  It's weird.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 31, 2019, 01:38:52 AM
Some fans just want to see the fandom burn.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/vX9WcCiWwUF7G/source.gif)

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 12:30:19 AM

Quote from: molasar on Dec 31, 2019, 12:24:28 AM
What way would you portray a female Predator if it was up to you? Let's say I play as a member of fireteam and your version of female Predator approaches me. What way I can recognize if it is her or not if I have not watched any Predator films, or I have watched the first two only?

Could be taller, maybe shorter, different shaped head, dreadlock positions and size or different mandibles, skin patterns etc. There is so many ways that a female predator could be done better than just boobs and hips. 

Would or should it really make a difference? Both male and female would be equally deadly.

Lioness'lack manes and are the ones who go out hunting, female sharks are larger if I recall. I just think it could have been done far more better than what those images show.

Agree with pretty much everything here.  I'd have much rather seen something original and unique, like the head shape, skin patterns, plumage, etc. than exactly mirroring humans.  I am not an Alien preferential fan  :laugh:  It would have made them much more interesting imo if they were given a different dimorphism than mammals. 

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 31, 2019, 02:17:51 AM
Agree with pretty much everything here.  I'd have much rather seen something original and unique, like the head shape, skin patterns, plumage, etc. than exactly mirroring humans.  I am not an Alien preferential fan  :laugh:  It would have made them much more interesting imo if they were given a different dimorphism than mammals. 

You still would not know its sex if not told so. Those little details could be noticed only in slow motion mode or on screenshots. Just not practical.

Although I guess, you have some super eye reflexes like Frank Dux. Then it might work for you.

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 31, 2019, 02:17:51 AMI am not an Alien preferential fan  :laugh:

Indeed Wysps!  :laugh: I can testify you are 100% not!!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 31, 2019, 02:33:03 AM

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 31, 2019, 02:17:51 AMI am not an Alien preferential fan  :laugh:

Indeed Wysps!  :laugh: I can testify you are 100% not!!

Right On!  ;)

Well if all humanoids are seeded by engineers...

*canon shots fired*

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 31, 2019, 03:00:52 AM
Well if all humanoids are seeded by engineers...

*canon shots fired*

Did you just say Engineers?!!

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/ujS54ZEbPCM20LIFUO/source.gif)

:D

Come-on folk, we can have this discussion without referring to an entire team of developers as immature, or trying to antagonize each other. We're supposed to be mature as well, so let's behave like it. And let's be honest, this is going to be an on-going discussion. It's the first time we've had a design called out specifically as a female in the games.

Personally I'm never going to be a fan of breasts to denote female Predators. It's too humanized as far as I'm concerned. But I'm glad it's not big ass titties like the Prodos female mini so I'm a fan of this take for that. I'd just prefer some other features to denote gender.

I did say in my initial post that I was over-reacting but I do stand by my opinion that I find the design itself unimaginitive and lazy.

Out of all the ways they could have made a female predator different, they literally went for breasts and an hourglass shape figure...It makes no sense whatsoever, Predators are repitilian for one thing, they also have no lips so how their young is supposed to feed on the milk is a mystery, im no expert on biology so perhaps I am missing something there.
I'm sure the devs are decent enough people, but the idea itself was not decent. It should have been overruled in my opinion the moment it was thrown out there.


So assuming that the Rage war trilogy is still canon (Which I am not sure of thanks to Covenant), what is supposed to be real version of a female predator? Is this game going to be canon?

I went with "Not bothered". It's fun to see that the developers are even exploring the female Predators at all. This is one artist's take of what the females could look like and it's really not at bad design especially for a video game.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2019, 08:46:02 AM
Come-on folk, we can have this discussion without referring to an entire team of developers as immature, or trying to antagonize each other. We're supposed to be mature as well, so let's behave like it. And let's be honest, this is going to be an on-going discussion. It's the first time we've had a design called out specifically as a female in the games.

Personally I'm never going to be a fan of breasts to denote female Predators. It's too humanized as far as I'm concerned. But I'm glad it's not big ass titties like the Prodos female mini so I'm a fan of this take for that. I'd just prefer some other features to denote gender.

I had to google that (I unfortunately haven't picked the game up) and that just left me giggling like an idiot. Like whoa that's a little much.

I am wondering if this was a fox decision or soley on the devs, though fox didn't seem to mind how they were portrayed in Rage war, so curious why they woud approve it, since if this game is canon then it is just another contradiction.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 31, 2019, 02:52:04 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2019, 08:46:02 AM
Come-on folk, we can have this discussion without referring to an entire team of developers as immature, or trying to antagonize each other. We're supposed to be mature as well, so let's behave like it. And let's be honest, this is going to be an on-going discussion. It's the first time we've had a design called out specifically as a female in the games.

Personally I'm never going to be a fan of breasts to denote female Predators. It's too humanized as far as I'm concerned. But I'm glad it's not big ass titties like the Prodos female mini so I'm a fan of this take for that. I'd just prefer some other features to denote gender.

I had to google that (I unfortunately haven't picked the game up) and that just left me giggling like an idiot. Like whoa that's a little much.

Indeed. The Prodos female Predator is definitely... extreme.

But give me something like this:

(https://scontent-frx5-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/fr/e15/s1080x1080/74623971_582975035811715_5360336225769238701_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=107&oh=ead000171f79f7d300be64bf0ca3b46f&oe=5E7A655E&ig_cache_key=MjE4NTIzODA5MDkzMTQ2MDExOA%3D%3D.2)

with this:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/47075880_1143540152480962_6593038355733151744_n.jpg)

And I'm happy.  :)

See now the head shape on that second pic could have been something they could have used, minus the breasts of course.

People don't need breasts to tell the difference between genders.

But both aspects make sense to me, so I don't mind. Both can be logically optional for these fictional intergalactic hunters. Humanoids doesn't make one human, as Reptilian doesn't make one a reptile. So it just comes down to personal preference for these ugly mother f*ckers.  :)

Even if some could accept them having breasts, why would they have them though? They are reptilian and they don't have any lips.
The only possible way I can think off these even remotely making "sense" is if you include the whole human dna thing, but that is not a good or logical concept either.

One page one of this thread I posted an explanation of how infant Predators could accept some form of "milk".
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63159.0
I think if you study the inside of a Predator's mouth, and remove all the mental restrictions placed by years of practical rubber film effects work, it's easy to picture in my humble opinion a newborn Predator soft-tissue mouth accomplishing this. I personally don't have to do any mental gymnastics to make this work.

So we know that just because...
Predators appear Reptilian doesn't mean they are Reptiles.
Predators appear Humanoid doesn't mean they are humans.
Predators appear Crustacean doesn't mean they are crabs.

Though, if we look at totality, head to toe, it can be argued that from everything on Planet Earth, humans are probably what Predator bodies resemble the most percentage wise. Who knows, maybe humans and Predators do share a common ancient ancestry.  I don't know. We all don't know what they are really. They are not of Earth, at least we think not. But there is no real scientific precedent we can apply to these fictional Predators.

So, I don't think any of us can suggest our opinions as definitive (including mine) because we're all talking about unknown fictional alien beings, which leaves a lot on the creative table to choose from and subsequently fun to discuss different preferences. :)

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
People don't need breasts to tell the difference between genders.

It helps in the dark.

Quote from: Huggs on Dec 31, 2019, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
People don't need breasts to tell the difference between genders.

It helps in the dark.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/agwRgmVDJceZO/giphy.gif)

And they're not breasts. They're the foreheads of two highly trained miniature predators that will detach and attack under very specific conditions.

Quote from: Huggs on Dec 31, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
And they're not breasts. They're the foreheads of two highly trained miniature predators that will detach and attack under very specific conditions.

:laugh:

We respect all theories here!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 31, 2019, 03:10:16 PM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 31, 2019, 02:52:04 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2019, 08:46:02 AM
Come-on folk, we can have this discussion without referring to an entire team of developers as immature, or trying to antagonize each other. We're supposed to be mature as well, so let's behave like it. And let's be honest, this is going to be an on-going discussion. It's the first time we've had a design called out specifically as a female in the games.

Personally I'm never going to be a fan of breasts to denote female Predators. It's too humanized as far as I'm concerned. But I'm glad it's not big ass titties like the Prodos female mini so I'm a fan of this take for that. I'd just prefer some other features to denote gender.

I had to google that (I unfortunately haven't picked the game up) and that just left me giggling like an idiot. Like whoa that's a little much.

Indeed. The Prodos female Predator is definitely... extreme.

But give me something like this:

(https://scontent-frx5-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/fr/e15/s1080x1080/74623971_582975035811715_5360336225769238701_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=107&oh=ead000171f79f7d300be64bf0ca3b46f&oe=5E7A655E&ig_cache_key=MjE4NTIzODA5MDkzMTQ2MDExOA%3D%3D.2)

with this:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/47075880_1143540152480962_6593038355733151744_n.jpg)

And I'm happy.  :)

Ahh, my favorites.
They look like they've broken a few hearts... and teeth...  couple ribs and maybe some skulls too. 

The second one is probably my favorite of all the portrayals I've seen, sans breasts of course  :)

They don't bother me per se, I guess I'm more just disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to portray something original. So many possibilities. However, it's true that this is one take on the many portrayals they've done in the past, across the books and graphic novels. I wouldn't take it as canon, at least personally.

We haven't seen her without her mask yet, the artist could still have added more sexually dimorphic aspects there.

Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 31, 2019, 06:06:38 PM
We haven't seen her without her mask yet, the artist could still have added more sexually dimorphic aspects there.

There was some official avatars released, but there's no telling how these will reflect against the actual game model, and changes or final touches the Devs are making even now.

(https://i.ibb.co/L5VpQfC/IMG-20191211-111837.jpg)

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 31, 2019, 05:49:14 PM
The second one is probably my favorite of all the portrayals I've seen, sans breasts of course  :)

They don't bother me per se, I guess I'm more just disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to portray something original. So many possibilities. However, it's true that this is one take on the many portrayals they've done in the past, across the books and graphic novels. I wouldn't take it as canon, at least personally.

IMO I personally haven't found the majority Predator fans too strict when it comes to EU canon outside the films. I find Predator fans much more casual and relaxed about it compared to other fandoms. We can pepper in the EU that we like, official or not. No one will give you a hard time about it. Even with the latest movie. You don't count The Predator as canon? Cool.. that's cool..  

Unless it all changes with this because it's such a hot-button issue! ;D

Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 31, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
Ahh, my favorites.
They look like they've broken a few hearts... and teeth...  couple ribs and maybe some skulls too. 

Oh yeah!!

That previous owner of the skull she's holding wishes he never crossed paths with her, that's for certain!

She has an interesting armor set here:

(https://i.ibb.co/kBPbWmF/IMG-20200101-162937.jpg)

Let's call her Brunhilda Predator - the wife of Scar Predator.

I think it's unimaginative, but I can accept because the male Predators so closely resembled humanity, I can't believe I'm discussing this.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 03:19:07 AM
She has an interesting armor set here:

(https://i.ibb.co/kBPbWmF/IMG-20200101-162937.jpg)

Damn that is gorgeous.

Yeah, the more I look at it, I like it too.  :)

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 02, 2020, 06:34:47 AM
I think it's unimaginative, but I'd accept it if the male Predators had nipples. I can't believe I'm discussing this.

So the line is nipples?

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/7fe5646f7d3bc12971baafa1a5da3e60/tenor.gif?itemid=15272835)

We can get into chromosomes and different type of sexual determinations among creatures on Earth and when and why it happens... but it's easier just to say that even some male mammals do not have nipples.

Some Male Rodents have no nipples. Also Male Horses do not have nipples either, which includes your favorite Little Ponies!   ;D

But for most male mammals, nipples are present. For Predators to resemble humans so closely and for everything to match our sexes so closely, EXCEPT for nipples... all I can say is  ::)

Quote from: Wysps on Jan 02, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
But for most male mammals, nipples are present. For Predators to resemble humans so closely and for everything to match our sexes so closely, EXCEPT for nipples... all I can say is  ::)

Well not just except for nipples.  :)  To be fair their heads, teeth, "hair", feet and skin texture doesn't resemble humans closely either.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 03:19:07 AM
She has an interesting armor set here:

(https://i.ibb.co/kBPbWmF/IMG-20200101-162937.jpg)

(https://i2.wp.com/lylesmoviefiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/aliens-1986-frost-hicks-and-crew.png?fit=800%2C432&ssl=1)

"Yeah but the one you posted a pic of was a male." ;)

Quote from: Kailem on Jan 02, 2020, 04:48:07 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 03:19:07 AM
She has an interesting armor set here:

(https://i.ibb.co/kBPbWmF/IMG-20200101-162937.jpg)

(https://i2.wp.com/lylesmoviefiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/aliens-1986-frost-hicks-and-crew.png?fit=800%2C432&ssl=1)

"Yeah but the one you posted a pic of was a male." ;)

That's not a female breastplate  ???

I think it's just the regular breastplate for the "Berserker" class. They all seem to have one that covers the whole chest rather than just one side like we see on most Preds (probably as part of the reason why they're the tankiest class).

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/10122019_05.jpg)

The angle does make it look a bit more feminine there, but looking at some of the other shots of Berserkers like this one I think it's just the regular male version.

But it does seem like the helmets and colour options have a good chance of being used by any Predator, so I suspect we'll be able to make a female one with that armour if we want.

The female we saw in the trailer..., what class is she?

Girl isn't listed as a class so it has to be a customization option right? So she probably could wear the Berserker gear but it's worth mentioning that the male body type changes for the Berserker class. So should we assume the same would apply to the female? In a way they might have the female use both body types and so the Berserker variant would look closer to the males (I'm imagining if that's the case she'd look closer to Big Mama).

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 04:45:34 PM

Quote from: Wysps on Jan 02, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
But for most male mammals, nipples are present. For Predators to resemble humans so closely and for everything to match our sexes so closely, EXCEPT for nipples... all I can say is  ::)

Well not just except for nipples.  :)  To be fair their heads, teeth, "hair", feet and skin texture doesn't resemble humans closely either.

I think you know what I mean  ;) The musculature that has more to do with sexual dimorphism.

Quote from: Kailem on Jan 02, 2020, 05:03:16 PM
I think it's just the regular breastplate for the "Berserker" class. They all seem to have one that covers the whole chest rather than just one side like we see on most Preds (probably as part of the reason why they're the tankiest class).

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/10122019_05.jpg)

The angle does make it look a bit more feminine there, but looking at some of the other shots of Berserkers like this one I think it's just the regular male version.

But it does seem like the helmets and colour options have a good chance of being used by any Predator, so I suspect we'll be able to make a female one with that armour if we want.

Hmm.. I was pegging this body type as female but you may be right. I guess we'll have to wait and see..

(https://i.ibb.co/RyjLP6n/Screenshot-20200102-120828-Chrome.jpg)

Yea that really dies have a feminine shape I think you may be right that that is the female. Close up kinda makes it seem so but it could just be the angle it is running from but very wide hipped and thighed making me think female. But c'mon no boob shaped armour probably a male . :laugh:

Yeah the angle makes it hard to be sure either way, especially with what SuperiorIronMan said about the female Berserker model likely being beefier than the other two. If that's the case then the Berserker will probably end up being the most similar visually between the male and female versions.

I'm curious as to the why now, so I hope Hicks asks that question to the devs if they do ever interview them, I want to know why they went for that approach when there was so many other ways they could have made them different.

It doesn't really take a genius to think outside boobs and butts after all. :laugh:

I am happy with what we have got, but I understand that some of us would prefer something more creative like in the following photos.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/mfPZhR5A3xwAGAVJsKPib-Q4tu8pmhCFUEgkvrdTPZg.jpg?auto=webp&s=d014c2bc529d870fe3b9e2db17958e4e22b3fbf9)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dd87tPw.jpg?1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Ftrampt%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2F000%2F117%2F038%2FVagina_Brain_Monster_Flesh_Version-Carlos_Enrique_Gonzalez-Fiberglass-trampt-117038o.jpg%3F1382184525&hash=5e03af16e835a3d6ab6429ca2c4c8379fd6c6185)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattlemusicnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F20160930_Peaches_Neptune-Theatre_11.jpg&hash=6dd14adb3405d896b836071b45a707f1478bcc25)

(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5323278848/h12870E6D/)

Well I don't think females would be that different  :laugh: Poor males will end up swallowed lol

Quote from: molasar on Jan 06, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
I am happy with what we have got, but I understand that some of us would prefer something more creative like in the following photos.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/mfPZhR5A3xwAGAVJsKPib-Q4tu8pmhCFUEgkvrdTPZg.jpg?auto=webp&s=d014c2bc529d870fe3b9e2db17958e4e22b3fbf9)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dd87tPw.jpg?1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Ftrampt%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2F000%2F117%2F038%2FVagina_Brain_Monster_Flesh_Version-Carlos_Enrique_Gonzalez-Fiberglass-trampt-117038o.jpg%3F1382184525&hash=5e03af16e835a3d6ab6429ca2c4c8379fd6c6185)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattlemusicnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F20160930_Peaches_Neptune-Theatre_11.jpg&hash=6dd14adb3405d896b836071b45a707f1478bcc25)

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5323278848/h12870E6D/

(https://media.giphy.com/media/eXQPwwE8DFTZS/giphy.gif)

:laugh:

Illfonic for the win!!!

(https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 06, 2020, 03:49:43 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/eXQPwwE8DFTZS/giphy.gif

:laugh:

Illfonic for the win!!!

(https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WCCFpredatorhuntinggrounds6.jpg)

Come on, it is not that bad. The one in the third photo has a vertical forked tongue. She just cannot wait to get smoochy with City Hunter in some romantic cantina.

Well that took a turn for the worse, and I feel like is a bit of extreme reaching from molasar there.  :P

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 07, 2020, 08:22:11 AM
Well that took a turn for the worse, and I feel like is a bit of extreme reaching from molestar there.  :P

Who's molestar?  It sounds like and 80's cartoon.  ;D

(https://i.redd.it/wavosaxlszt11.jpg)

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/f495be15712e806b695e7f8317e2cf92/tenor.gif)

Not sure what you're on about there, Voodoo.

I was teasing that you called molasar "molestar". Or maybe you didn't? Maybe I've had too much of the ol' bubbly and something went over my head? It wouldn't be the first time. Nevermind!  :D

I know. I went back and corrected my post, then posted that.  :D

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ha5EeXrfx3xxC/giphy.gif)

Quotea bit of extreme reaching from molestar

What a quote! :laugh:

Por favor, no molestar molasar.

¡Jo, cómo mola!

Quote from: molasar on Jan 06, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
I am happy with what we have got, but I understand that some of us would prefer something more creative like in the following photos.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/mfPZhR5A3xwAGAVJsKPib-Q4tu8pmhCFUEgkvrdTPZg.jpg?auto=webp&s=d014c2bc529d870fe3b9e2db17958e4e22b3fbf9)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dd87tPw.jpg?1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Ftrampt%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2F000%2F117%2F038%2FVagina_Brain_Monster_Flesh_Version-Carlos_Enrique_Gonzalez-Fiberglass-trampt-117038o.jpg%3F1382184525&hash=5e03af16e835a3d6ab6429ca2c4c8379fd6c6185)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattlemusicnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F20160930_Peaches_Neptune-Theatre_11.jpg&hash=6dd14adb3405d896b836071b45a707f1478bcc25)

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5323278848/h12870E6D/

I mean...I'm almost positive that they could do something more creative without turning them into walking vulvas  ::) :laugh:

Quote from: Wysps on Jan 08, 2020, 12:35:18 AM
I mean...I'm almost positive that they could do something more creative without turning them into walking vulvas  ::) :laugh:

They are purses, not vulvas. Every respected female Predator has to keep her coins somewhere.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GMeuic5EPj4/WDuGs0x9BgI/AAAAAAAAKR0/yrAAyWF7UT07Tehha3UNcG_BM0yNxX-5wCLcB/s1600/coin-c**t-PRINT-no-2-web-3.jpg)

Careful, you're gonna hurt your shoulder...  :P

In all seriousness, though, there are other ways to make it a different design rather than the breasts. But we've already covered this - different colourations, or slight design differences like the Emissary's spoon-heads. I'd rather have gone that way.

So basically pussies are beter than breasts ? Did I get that right ?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1X7lCRp8iE0yrdZvwd/giphy.gif)

I would say...no...

Just kidding.

They could have even made female predators larger than the males perhaps, certain species have females being far more dangerous due to their larger size, Sharks for example.


So many ways it could have been done other than using human female proportions

Honestly, I think it would have been interesting if all the Predators we've actually seen so far are females, and it was the males who were actually different.

I agree, that would have been interesting. In the lion species, it is the lioness that mostly does the hunting I believe. DOTS is not the best comic but that portrays a female predator as being mostly identical to males.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2020, 10:47:58 AM
They could have even made female predators larger than the males perhaps, certain species have females being far more dangerous due to their larger size, Sharks for example.

Oh lordy no. I'm getting the shivers, flashbacks to the Upgrade Predator... and we already have larger Super Predators. I am totally against that, if they went this kind of route. A very subtle hand, with very subtle changes would be required here to the female version of the very humanoid, intelligent Predator race. In my opinion, anything more than that really risks pushing the perception of the franchise into ridiculous to the general public. We're already fortunate The Predator was forgettable.

God I wish I had a Predator gf

Quote from: Deathbearer on Feb 02, 2020, 03:36:37 PM
God I wish I had a Predator gf

(https://media.giphy.com/media/4N1KAPPgCbNQYBjFRo/giphy.gif)

There could be two types of females: one with the breasts and the other with the vagina.

Not sure what I think about it. At first glance I'm against the breasts, but I'm willing to wait and see how it looks in the game before I form my opinion.

A huge chunk of Earth's creatures have nipples.

It's really not a stretch that if life springs up on another world that evolution wouldn't follow a similar path. We've already seen how evolution responds to the conditions of Earth and Earth's history.

I mean, predators have mouths. Why not a proboscis? Predators have a taste for beef. Why not be a herbivore? They have binocular vision. Why not more?

Once you start questioning other traits they share with Earth creatures, it's not really worth fretting over.

I liked the idea of the Predator having no gender. A species of Hermaphrodites, having both sex organs.

Quote from: razeak on Mar 12, 2020, 01:45:10 PM
Once you start questioning other traits they share with Earth creatures, it's not really worth fretting over.

Word.

Quote from: razeak on Mar 12, 2020, 01:45:10 PM
A huge chunk of Earth's creatures have nipples.

Thank God.

They're such fun.

I don't see a problem. It's a visual medium and a game. There's no space for Attenborough-like examinations of physiology. Players just want to kill things.

I get angry when licensees unnecessarily f**k with the source material, but you get over it and this isn't even f**king with source material.

I think them having breasts is fine. The males look like buff human males with reptile skin and different faces. It makes sense the females would be similar to a human female. They may or may not have nipples as the male Predators do not though.

They are humans in a monster suite after all.

I do appreciate that IllFonic was able to include male and female skins for both the humans and Predators on such a limited budget. I remember a couple years ago big AAA studios said that they could not include female skins/models due to the extra work and budget needed. Props to IllFonic for being inclusive! :)

Eh.  I can play it off as it perhaps just being a biological variant or something.  I'm not really looking for this game to be 100% lore friendly as much as it be as authentic as it can.

The game looks and feels authentic.

I know that something something reptiles don't have breasts or whatever but its not a big deal.

Well if The Predator has anything to say about the matter, all that DNA stealing probably added boobs and weiners anyways.

Quote from: razeak on Mar 30, 2020, 02:15:22 AM
Well if The Predator has anything to say about the matter, all that DNA stealing probably added boobs and weiners anyways.

David wasn't doing so well without one either. I imagine life without testicles was a hard road for such a masculine species. Something just had to be done.

We all had some thoughts about a female Predator at least once in our lives  ;D

Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 30, 2020, 02:27:53 AM
We all had some thoughts about a female Predator at least once in our lives  ;D

And a couple of xeno queens.  ;)

Don't feel guilty. Plenty of ladies here have been known to get alittle wild over the mandibled humanoid.

I voted no.

Predators are an alien species, and although they look like tall athletic buff men, I still never thought of the Predators as men/male. I see the Predator species as a very masculine yet genderless species with only one sex - hermaphroditic. They look more reptile than mammal and for some reason I always envisioned them being cycle-wise like seahorses but procreating somewhat like fish or frogs. Attraction and gender/sex-specific attributes just feel off and make the Predators too similar to humans.

The theory I've been playing around with goes like this: Predators live through cycles - the longest cycles are the asexual/infertile cycles, which last for several decade, which shortly segue into sporadic female/fertile or male/fertile cycles.

When a Predator is in its "female" cycle it dispatches roe-like eggs in spawning ponds. Predators in their "male" cycles produce milt instead of roe, and they will smell the scent of the roe in the spawning pools, which attracts them to deposit their milt in the clusters of roe in the nutrient-rich water. Both roe and milt are regurgitated.

Now, to make this more interesting I kind of pictured that the female cycle Predators will guard the spawning pools from hungry animals as well as from unworthy male cycle Predators. The "female" cycle Predators will challenge the "male" cycle Predators - either "herself" or by pitting two "male" cycle Predators against each other (maybe it depends on the clan). The winner gets to deposit "his" milt. Once the milt load has been dispatched, the "male" cycle Predator takes over the duty to guard the spawning pool, as the load hopefully will fertilize the eggs in the water.

Out of all those roe eggs only two or three develop and hatch into Predator spawn and the Clan, or parts of the Clan, will help guarding the offspring as well as keeping the nutrients in the water high until the infants are developed enough to feed themselves. In this concept Predator babies are more or less aquatic/amphibian, which is a trait the mature away from the older they get. Once they leave the water they will start being taught and trained to become hunters, warriors and whatnot.

In this theory the "dreadlocks" could actually be the leftover organs Predators have when they're in their most primitive form - organs meant to absorb and suck up the nutrients in the water of the spawning pool, or whatever body of water they were reproduced in. In other words - no need for nipples, boobs, penises and vaginas.

This would also explain the odd reproduction method of the Predalien hybrid seen in AVP:R.


Anyways. From a commercial point of view I can definitely see the allure in having female Predators with human female bodies heads down as that is the easiest and commercially safest way to appeal to the average gamer and people outside the Predator fandom. I doubt that Big Mama from Deadliest of Species is going to jive well with horny teenage boys and their expectations for boobs, legs, curves and tiny waists.

If they are going to introduce Predator females as different looking than the males, then at least make them flat-chested and skip the nipples.

Pandering to wider audiences rarely goes well, AVP being pg13 for example, while the movie had tons of other issues, the lack of iconic violence from those two violent species is definitely noticable. From a business standpoint, I can see their point but trying to reach beyond the fandom and lore, they are just going to make things worse. I personally hate that trend, its becoming more frequent in video games. RPGs get watered down to appeal to average gamers instead of sticking to their audience so to speak.

Luckily to the majority who either like it or are not bothered about it, theres not an upswell feeling of pandering nor 'not sticking to their audience'. This poll that we're voting on IS their audience, plus likely some Alien leaning fans who have no intentions to play this game or commit to a product that is strictly Predator. And all the while, if you put a PG-13 vs R poll in here, the results would most certainly, overwhelmingly favor R.

What I meant was that the going for the wider audience and thus pg rating was done out of money, I didn't mean to say that was pandering as most fans would certainly prefer R rating. Poor and wrong choice of words on my part  :P

I can't point any other reason than Marketing one to do a Predator female.
Doing a new character model is a ton of work (You need to re-do the rigging/skinning process which is very time consuming) and most of the time animations can't even translate so you have to redo the thousands of animation you've already done... again.
Also new skins, new shaders, new code integration, it's a huge amount of work just for a skin selection.

There are part of the game that scream better polish like Death Animation just to name one.
Right now this is hilarious to kill a bot. But of course you can't have your animator do two different things at the same time.
Pred with boobs or better run cycle, jump (jumps looks ugly like duck jump), death animation.
The animation of character running after being hit by a net gun is laughable. I much preferred how it look back in AVP2.
Plus it made more sense as a gameplay perspective.

Then narratively / lore speaking, it's poor.
I think  SpreadEagleBeagle has more imagination in one past than a whole team game developer team.
Unless this idea didn't come from the developer but the publisher ::)

Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 03, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
I can't point any other reason than Marketing one to do a Predator female.
Doing a new character model is a ton of work (You need to re-do the rigging/skinning process which is very time consuming) and most of the time animations can't even translate so you have to redo the thousands of animation you've already done... again.
Also new skins, new shaders, new code integration, it's a huge amount of work just for a skin selection.

There are part of the game that scream better polish like Death Animation just to name one.
Right now this is hilarious to kill a bot. But of course you can't have your animator do two different things at the same time.
Pred with boobs or better run cycle, jump (jumps looks ugly like duck jump), death animation.
The animation of character running after being hit by a net gun is laughable. I much preferred how it look back in AVP2.
Plus it made more sense as a gameplay perspective.

Then narratively / lore speaking, it's poor.
I think  SpreadEagleBeagle has more imagination in one past than a whole team game developer team.
Unless this idea didn't come from the developer but the publisher ::)

They worked quite a bit with Fox on the Female Predator. Listen to the podcast Hicks and RidgeTop did with the creators for more info.

In regarding to the off-topic death animation complaints, bots, preferring AVP2, you seem to be just bringing your rants over to this thread now and it's really starting to feel like trolling.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 03, 2020, 01:25:56 PM
They worked quite a bit with Fox on the Female Predator.

All past developers did. Why should it be different?
And what does that even mean?
Let me remind you that Rebellion said similar thing and we ended up with Alien and Predator looking just like the one from AVP/AVP-R that non one ever wanted. Even in the story with all this Pyramid trial thing.
Here I see straight DNA from The Predator which is a movie I did not like, period.

QuoteIn regarding to the off-topic death animation complaints, bots, preferring AVP2, you seem to be just bringing your rants over to this thread now and it's really starting to feel like trolling.

I was talking about the female Predator and how it was unnecessary for the game and affects other department (pure maths) that could use some polish. I gave reason why I would not want to see a female predator (actually gave two, both on the lore and on the technical side) if that's trolling I'm afraid I can't help you understand more the topic.
I'm giving criticism and concerns, there's no need to be upset because people share and express different opinions.

But allow me to rephrase on the Female topic and why on the Lore it creates a problem:
Their justification (from the podcast) is every game should have male and female, which is to create a gender identity on things which apparently had no gender (never saw a movie saying Predators are all male or all females at least).
It add sexual characteristic to everything. It's a very narrow way of thinking and very unimaginative.
You don't do things like this unless you think of "appealing" people.
But while doing it, you end up with a paradigm:
-Spend time making 3 Female Character skins
-Spend time on other aspect of the game
It's not even useful to the gameplay or a necessary feature critical for the game to work.

So yeah, I'm opposed to the idea, you may not like my opinion, but it's definitely about female predator ;)

I'm a woman who gets twitchy about female preds in heels and huge bouncy boobs, but I don't have a problem with this one. The physical differences are subtle, and the breasts are covered in a practical manner. Regardless of what you feel about preds with breasts, the original AvP novel does set precedent for it - though females are depicted differently elsewhere, it's not completely out of the blue. I like seeing females, better than imagining them sitting at home with little pred babies cleaning their pred houses!

Quote from: yautjapet on Apr 03, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
I'm a woman who gets twitchy about female preds in heels and huge bouncy boobs, but I don't have a problem with this one. The physical differences are subtle, and the breasts are covered in a practical manner. Regardless of what you feel about preds with breasts, the original AvP novel does set precedent for it - though females are depicted differently elsewhere, it's not completely out of the blue. I like seeing females, better than imagining them sitting at home with little pred babies cleaning their pred houses!

I honestly feel the same. It's not my first choice of how they're represented (I'm a Big Mama fan, after all), but the developers could have taken it to cringe-level fanserviceness - which they didn't. The look is subtle and  practical.

Quote from: yautjapet on Apr 03, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
I'm a woman who gets twitchy about female preds in heels and huge bouncy boobs, but I don't have a problem with this one. The physical differences are subtle, and the breasts are covered in a practical manner. Regardless of what you feel about preds with breasts, the original AvP novel does set precedent for it - though females are depicted differently elsewhere, it's not completely out of the blue. I like seeing females, better than imagining them sitting at home with little pred babies cleaning their pred houses!

Quote from: Wysps on Apr 03, 2020, 03:33:56 PM
I honestly feel the same. It's not my first choice of how they're represented (I'm a Big Mama fan, after all), but the developers could have taken it to cringe-level fanserviceness - which they didn't. The look is subtle and  practical.

It's always nice to hear the female fans perspectives on this!  :)

The majority of creatures on Earth that aren't microbes have different sex features. No reason to discount the possibility occuring elsewhere in the universe.  We have no way of knowing if other world's are more likely or less likely to have followed a similar path.

I like spreadeagles idea though (again from an earthly evolution model.)

It's also entirely possible the female was included for reasons other than titillating teenage boys. It's not even sexualized in the usual ways.

There may be better, or less commonly used ways to explain an alien biology, but there isn't anything wrong with what's presented other than personal preference.

Also, a 3d modeler isn't doing advanced programming. I doubt much resources were affected by modelers modeling. At least there is variety, which is also important.

Quote from: razeak on Apr 03, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
Also, a 3d modeler isn't doing advanced programming. I doubt much resources were affected by modelers modeling. At least there is variety, which is also important.

It takes a lot of time to do, it's digital sculpture after all, getting the proportion right is never fast and involves a lot of iterations.
And it involves many other department in the pipeline like rigging for armatures systems with bones specific for each model and animations which are dependent from the Armature. Make a different armature, make a new animation set.

Quote from: razeak on Apr 03, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
Also, a 3d modeler isn't doing advanced programming. I doubt much resources were affected by modelers modeling. At least there is variety, which is also important.

Yes, from what I've read and listened to in round table discussions, the modeling tends to be one of the easiest (and fun) aspects. As the game team always says, the rule is, it's always the last 20% of your game that takes 80% of time.

I just want to say I am someone who really doesn't care about the female predator.  Nice, it is there, nothing missing if it isn't.

Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 03, 2020, 09:16:57 PM

Quote from: razeak on Apr 03, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
Also, a 3d modeler isn't doing advanced programming. I doubt much resources were affected by modelers modeling. At least there is variety, which is also important.

It takes a lot of time to do, it's digital sculpture after all, getting the proportion right is never fast and involves a lot of iterations.
And it involves many other department in the pipeline like rigging for armatures systems with bones specific for each model and animations which are dependent from the Armature. Make a different armature, make a new animation set.

Making a digital model is not the hardest thing in the world to do.

The parts that make the process long is the conceptual stage and approvals especially if the product is a licence I.P. The approval stage on that level is pretty much where developers get stuck for a bit. But what the character, item, or location ultimately looks like is approved at the conceptual stage and if an I.P is involved it's going to involve the I.P holders. The model may have some tweaks after seeing it in a 3D space, but this isn't nearly as time consuming as a physical piece.

The male and female Predator very likely share the same armature. I don't know why they wouldn't the models are not so radically different that it seems like it would.

Yeah it takes some resources, but it's not really taking away from anything that would improve other aspects as it appears there are different teams for different processes. 

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Apr 03, 2020, 10:53:14 PM

Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 03, 2020, 09:16:57 PM

Quote from: razeak on Apr 03, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
Also, a 3d modeler isn't doing advanced programming. I doubt much resources were affected by modelers modeling. At least there is variety, which is also important.

It takes a lot of time to do, it's digital sculpture after all, getting the proportion right is never fast and involves a lot of iterations.
And it involves many other department in the pipeline like rigging for armatures systems with bones specific for each model and animations which are dependent from the Armature. Make a different armature, make a new animation set.

Making a digital model is not the hardest thing in the world to do.

The parts that make the process long is the conceptual stage and approvals especially if the product is a licence I.P. The approval stage on that level is pretty much where developers get stuck for a bit. But what the character, item, or location ultimately looks like is approved at the conceptual stage and if an I.P is involved it's going to involve the I.P holders. The model may have some tweaks after seeing it in a 3D space, but this isn't nearly as time consuming as a physical piece.

The male and female Predator very likely share the same armature. I don't know why they wouldn't the models are not so radically different that it seems like it would.

Of course it's not the hardest, I'll even say veteran finds it easy.
But it's never the fastest either.
And of course you can't get stuck at modeling because at that point you start leaving Pre-Prod and have to move on.

I'm pretty sure it's not a displacement map doing the changes, which mean each model had to be weight painted.
(Still waiting for an automation one day to actually work without having to do manually. I know it's likely a dream but who knows !)
I'm pretty sure you know what I talk about and how "fast and fun" the process is.
I've also rarely seen animations retarget works correctly everytime without involving some manual adjustment.
That's precious time for a character having hundreds of animations.

The male and female Predator near as I can tell have the same animations.I'm not under the impression the male or female have unique animations to the other whatsoever.

I invested hours and played both male and female and I concur, the model changes, but the animation appears to remain the same. And I'm glad it did.

Of course it does, why would you even want to try to make different animations?
That would make you late behind the schedule.
Still doesn't change the fact you need to pour work.
If my work was always that automatic, I wouldn't have these many unpaid overtime ::) (also called the 20%-80% rule)

Players are gonna hunt the Predabooty on April 24.

Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 04, 2020, 02:24:00 PM
Of course it does, why would you even want to try to make different animations?
That would make you late behind the schedule.
Still doesn't change the fact you need to pour work.
If my work was always that automatic, I wouldn't have these many unpaid overtime ::) (also called the 20%-80% rule)

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Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PMLet's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

We have seen the males bare chest and i don't think they have nipples.

Too bad Joel Schumacher was never involved into directing any of Predator movies

Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 03, 2022, 05:14:35 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PMLet's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

We have seen the males bare chest and i don't think they have nipples.

I dont remember saying they have.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 03, 2022, 01:01:24 PM

Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 03, 2022, 05:14:35 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PMLet's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

We have seen the males bare chest and i don't think they have nipples.

I dont remember saying they have.

I was t implying you did, I'm just saying I font think they have nipples. So technically I'd they don't have nipples the there would be no need for bigger breasts on the female since there not there for milk production. Off topic but did you know the predator has ears?

Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 05, 2022, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 03, 2022, 01:01:24 PM

Quote from: bobcunk on Jun 03, 2022, 05:14:35 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 30, 2019, 08:58:01 PMLet's calm our tits. I would prefer a flat chest but I liked them having a different hourglass frame.

We haven't seen how their chest look under the armor, might not look exactly like human boobs. The male predators's bodies resemble human males, there are based on human male hunters, so giving the females a feminine look doesn't feel off.

We have seen the males bare chest and i don't think they have nipples.

I dont remember saying they have.

I was t implying you did, I'm just saying I font think they have nipples. So technically I'd they don't have nipples the there would be no need for bigger breasts on the female since there not there for milk production. Off topic but did you know the predator has ears?

Like its on my post we don't know if behind the armor it even looks like boobs. Whatever. As of now the design of the females from PHG is the official one.