'Covenant' title meaning

Started by Molecules, Jan 12, 2017, 02:05:28 PM

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Pvt. Himmel

Pvt. Himmel

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Quote from: Molecules on Jan 18, 2017, 12:01:27 PM
cliffhanger - I agree that these things can be (more often than not - futilely) overanalysed, but to a certain type of person this is enjoyable. Also, in cinema (not to mention Ridley's back catalogue) you will find a tendency for screenwriters and directors to think these things through; it may not be of direct relevance to the plot but they acknowledge layers of allegory or literary parallel or whatever and sometimes roll with it in a superficial way (like the Conrad stuff).

Speaking of lit, somebody on the board mentioned Mad Professor David as belonging to that Dr. Moreau heritage, which I quite liked. Some of the quotes in here ('pain gets needless') could be attributed to David or his 'quest' https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/68894-the-island-of-dr-moreau

Here is the Covenant emblem with cherubim for reference. I know people have tried to break this down before though. There's plenty to go on here (http://thetorah.com/the-cherubim/), I'd be surprised if Walt n' Dave didn't cross somebody's mind when they were spitballing tongue-in-cheek designs.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0986/6702/products/611oqwjEz9L._SL1000_2048x2048.jpg

Incidentally, doesn't this support the theory that the Covenant was heading for LV-426 (or another moon in that system), before being diverted to Paradise by the Juggernaut's distress beacon?




Quote from: Enoch on Jan 17, 2017, 07:44:46 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Thomas_Covenant
QuoteSome elements of this novels are similar to those found in Richard Wagner's epic "Ring Cycle" and in earlier Celtic literature, but with some of the values inverted.

Prometheus is in fact an allusion to humanity and David - perhaps derived from original myth or maybe from  Mary Shelley's novell Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus. Maybe its even derived from her husbands (Percy Bysshe Shelley) famous four-act lyrical drama Prometheus Unbound", there are even some mentions of doppelgangers there.. and we know about David and Walter.

The first is a stretch but I love it. In the 'Furious Gods' making-of, apart from getting a sense of the contradictory hell/challenges Ridley was creating for the screenwriters and designers, you did see him just snatching up references on a whim - he was looking over someone's shoulder and asked if he could borrow the 'Forever War' comic, from which he nabbed a bunch of tech/ship designs I think?

Deliberately or not, this matches up with our story: "Shelley's play concerns Prometheus' release from captivity, but unlike Aeschylus' version, there is no reconciliation between Prometheus and Jupiter (Zeus). Instead, Jupiter is abandoned by his supportive elements and falls from power, which allows Prometheus to be released".

Wonder what the ringed planet is?? Saturn, or maybe they're actual homeworld??

Molecules

Molecules

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Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 18, 2017, 04:17:51 PM

Wonder what the ringed planet is?? Saturn, or maybe they're actual homeworld??

I'm sort of expecting somebody to come along and debunk this at any moment, but this is what I'm thinking the ringed planet is http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Calpamos

However the insignia only depicts two moons, not three  :-\

Given all the stuff that's come up so far though, with the Covenant's mission and all the symbolism around that, it seems more likely that the patch is depicting the destination world as opposed to the homeworld. If it was depicting the homeworld (perhaps where the Covenant's shipyards are), I would nominate one of Saturn's more habitable moons. The case of Titan is pretty interesting https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/lets-colonize-titan/

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