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Title: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 21, 2021, 01:44:43 AM
Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a Gigeresque Design!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/09/21/illustrator-william-stout-reveals-early-concept-art-for-predator-including-a-gigeresque-design/
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: acrediblesource on Sep 21, 2021, 02:03:02 AM
Those williams do some crazy shit!
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2021, 03:33:38 AM


David can make a few of these out of boredom while the Covenant is en route to Origae-6. ;)
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Sep 21, 2021, 04:17:08 AM
The Gigeresque Hunter is pretty cool looking. The other ones, not so much. I'm just happy with the look we have now but I would love to see Giger Hunter in an Alien game.. or maybe something along the lines of Scorn.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SizzyBubbles on Sep 21, 2021, 04:49:01 AM
AAAWESOOOME! I'm a big William Stout fan and his stuff has always been an inspiration to me. It seems he's done concept art for all kinds of films! Every-now-in-then I find myself saying: "oh? He worked on that too?" hahaa.

(While Stout is well known for his sci-fi art... he is perhaps best known for his paleoart! He's done illustrations for a myriad of paleontological papers and official publications, murals for museums, dinosaur picture books and novels... the list goes on.)

That being said, I like the obviously theropod dinosaur inspired alien "hunter". You can often see dinosaur/prehistoric life inspiration in his creature art.  ;D
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Sep 21, 2021, 05:12:11 AM
William Stout is a legend and a nice guy. Honestly didn't know he had a pass at the Hunter script. Very Cool!
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 21, 2021, 05:40:38 AM
That is so interesting! I really like the Gigeresque raptor! I wouldn't be opposed to seeing that show up in some other projects!
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 21, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 21, 2021, 01:44:43 AM
Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a Gigeresque Design!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/09/21/illustrator-william-stout-reveals-early-concept-art-for-predator-including-a-gigeresque-design/

Updated with the original H.R. Giger piece director John McTiernan was likely referencing.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: DaniillLogOut on Sep 21, 2021, 11:11:42 AM
The Giger-esque one looks like one of rejected concepts for Fire & Stone
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 21, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
This giger-like predator can be the perfect incarnation of predalien, after decades of searching ::)
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 21, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
John McTiernan's desire to replicate the Giger piece provides additional insight into the thoughts behind Boss Film Studios' design I think.





Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...


https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 11:47:47 AM
Well shit, that even resembles the original biomask for the Winston Predator.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 02:48:40 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

Thanks again Gilfryd!  :)

Artist William Stout Shares Another Unique "Predator" Creature Concept
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/09/22/artist-william-stout-shares-another-unique-predator-creature-concept/
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

The glowing bubbles behind its sternum, I imagine that was supposed to be something related to the physiology of its heart?  It's pretty neat, almost like its chest cavity is filled with a fluid of some kind.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

The glowing bubbles behind its sternum, I imagine that was supposed to be something related to the physiology of its heart?  It's pretty neat, almost like its chest cavity is filled with a fluid of some kind.

Yeah, this design I actually find somewhat appealing.

The sternum throws me off though. I keep seeing the silhouette of someone standing there worshipping the Predator.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

The glowing bubbles behind its sternum, I imagine that was supposed to be something related to the physiology of its heart?  It's pretty neat, almost like its chest cavity is filled with a fluid of some kind.

Yeah, this design I actually find somewhat appealing.

The sternum throws me off though. I keep seeing the silhouette of someone standing there worshipping the Predator.  :laugh:

I totally see that too!!  It's not just you, Voodoo, promise  :laugh:
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

The glowing bubbles behind its sternum, I imagine that was supposed to be something related to the physiology of its heart?  It's pretty neat, almost like its chest cavity is filled with a fluid of some kind.

Yeah, this design I actually find somewhat appealing.

The sternum throws me off though. I keep seeing the silhouette of someone standing there worshipping the Predator.  :laugh:

I totally see that too!!  It's not just you, Voodoo, promise  :laugh:

Glad it's not just me.  :D
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Sep 22, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
Very cool! Another hit. Reminds me of some Predator Spacesuit sketches I did a while back. I'm no William Stout though. Good find guys.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Kradan on Sep 22, 2021, 07:06:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 22, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 22, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
More...

https://i0.wp.com/www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PredatorBust.jpg?w=387&ssl=1
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/

The glowing bubbles behind its sternum, I imagine that was supposed to be something related to the physiology of its heart?  It's pretty neat, almost like its chest cavity is filled with a fluid of some kind.

Yeah, this design I actually find somewhat appealing.

The sternum throws me off though. I keep seeing the silhouette of someone standing there worshipping the Predator.  :laugh:

Yep, same
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 23, 2021, 05:43:27 AM
Huh.

QuoteHow I Screwed Up the Great Original Ending to Predator

At our second meeting, I cheerfully congratulated director John McTiernan on his current film project (Hunter, later renamed Predator).

"This is going to be amazing. You're going to attract two different audiences to this film."

John looked confused.

"What are you talking about?"

"You'll get your action/adventure crowd, of course — but with that ending, you'll attract a different audience as well. At the end, after Arnold Schwarzenegger has killed the Hunter, he looks down at the carcass of the creature. He notices something odd. He looks closer; then closer still. He reaches down to the carcass and opens it up. Inside all of this scary alien armor is a tiny, frail little creature. What a terrific commentary on Man as Hunter. He has to gird himself up with all this technology to hunt other creatures."

McTiernan thought about what I had just said. He opened his script and re-read the ending. Then, right in front of me, he tore those pages out of the script.

"John! What are you doing?!"

"We can't have that ending," he replied. "That would mean that Arnold beat up a wimp!"
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Master on Sep 23, 2021, 06:24:27 AM
McTiernan, the man! Glad he got rid of this horrid ending.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SiL on Sep 23, 2021, 06:29:11 AM
All I can picture is the little alien in Men in Black :laugh:

I agree with Stout, it is a great allegory. But then so is having all of the technology and muscle of both combatants be ultimately overcome by wit and ingenuity. I thin think we got the better one in the final film.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 23, 2021, 07:49:15 AM
I don't remember that one in any of the scripts we have access to?  ???
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SiL on Sep 23, 2021, 08:13:11 AM
I don't think the very original script is online. The earliest draft you guys have still has the Hunter being a human like figure under the suit. Maybe that's what he meant?
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 23, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
Hmm. Don't quite know where to go with this. There's two ways to look at this I think.

TINY, LITTLE AS IN SIZE:
Is Stout's memory 100% accurate? If so, I wish all the concept art he was sharing included the "tiny, frail little creature" inside. (My mind went directly to ID4 too SiL :D)

The earliest draft of "Hunter" in public circulation (I believe) is dated July 27th, 1985, but the Thomas Brothers sold their Hunter spec script back in January 28th 1985, so there is that 6 month gap. If true, and if this is a reflection of what the Hunter creature looked like possibly in the very first spec script, than the implications are that this is the Predator version that the Thomas Brothers will get back in copyright reclaiming.

TINY, LITTLE AS IN INSIGNIFICANT:
At first glance we may be taking the "tiny" and "little" in the "tiny, frail little creature" too literally, or dramatically. And "tiny" could also mean "insignificant" or a variation of that. Stout could simply mean the very creature we read in the earliest draft we possess:

Quote"The Hunter slowly rolls onto his back, revealing his face. The netted hood of the Hunter's bio-energetic suit, the source of his camouflage protection, is drawn back, exposing a strikingly human-like face. Beneath the smooth, hairless, nearly translucent skin, a delicate network of veins and vessels can be seen, pulsing rapidly with pale green blood. The Hunter's eyes, pink and weak-looking, like an albino, blink, trying to focus in the bright sunlight."

*Edit - Added Little
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 23, 2021, 11:04:42 AM
Actually I have a roundabout way of checking an earlier draft than the ones we have (I think the second). Let me have a quick look.


Okay, so that ended in the Predator actually surviving and Matheny telling the Predator to f**k off Earth.


And it was the lizard Predator, not the armoured one.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 23, 2021, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 23, 2021, 11:04:42 AM
Actually I have a roundabout way of checking an earlier draft than the ones we have (I think the second). Let me have a quick look.


Okay, so that ended in the Predator actually surviving and Matheny telling the Predator to f**k off Earth.


And it was the lizard Predator, not the armoured one.

You know someone who has a copy?!
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SiL on Sep 23, 2021, 12:00:13 PM
I think "overthinking little" is probably the most accurate here.

Has anyone just left a comment on Stout's posts and asked him for an interview .. ?
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 23, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
Its an intriguing design. wouldnt mind seeing it take on a Predator in a future film
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 23, 2021, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 23, 2021, 12:00:13 PM
I think "overthinking little" is probably the most accurate here.

Has anyone just left a comment on Stout's posts and asked him for an interview .. ?

I emailed Mr. Stout for clarification. We'll see where it goes. :)
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 23, 2021, 06:14:03 PM
More tidbits -

QuoteI was not the sole designer of the Predator creature. I heard there was some trouble with the suit after they began shooting in the jungle. Other special effects make-up designers were brought in who made some great design enhancements to the monster suit.

The great Robert Short came up with those cool high tech-style dreadlocks.

Someone on Stan Winston's talented team created that super cool four-pronged mouth.

"Success has many fathers; failure is an orphan."

Also some 'recent interpretations' (not concept art) of the Predator by Stout -
https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 29, 2021, 09:06:09 PM
This stunningly-made article is to get lost among so much breathtakingly content. Although I still not sure how I missed all this.Thanks Voodoo. I am so thankful for what you did, because I love everything from Giger. :)
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 30, 2021, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 29, 2021, 09:06:09 PM
This stunningly-made article is to get lost among so much breathtakingly content. Although I still not sure how I missed all this.Thanks Voodoo. I am so thankful for what you did, because I love everything from Giger. :)


*Giger smile emoji*
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Biggles on Oct 02, 2021, 02:07:40 PM
I am confused. I was under the impression that Winston's team created the final Predator creature from whole cloth after the Boss insectoid thing was ditched. This is the version of events that SWS still gives (without any mention of Stout); https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/blog/predator-30th-anniversary-behind-the-scenes

Clearly Stout did several concepts for the movie, and I presume created the final insectoid version? According to him though, he also designed the final form, minus the mandibles;

QuoteI designed The Predator (My friend Rick Baker brought me in on this. I was really happy to get the gig; not so much because it was designing a monster but because it was my first work on a union film, a nice breakthrough, career-wise). Stan's people built the suit based on my designs and plussed it by adding that cool four-pronged mouth idea.
Source: https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/2008/06/17/stan-winston-r-i-p/

Does anyone know the actual timeline here? He doesn't even mention the Boss version.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 02, 2021, 02:07:40 PM
I am confused. I was under the impression that Winston's team created the final Predator creature from whole cloth after the Boss insectoid thing was ditched. This is the version of events that SWS still gives (without any mention of Stout); https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/blog/predator-30th-anniversary-behind-the-scenes

Clearly Stout did several concepts for the movie, and I presume created the final insectoid version? According to him though, he also designed the final form, minus the mandibles;

QuoteI designed The Predator (My friend Rick Baker brought me in on this. I was really happy to get the gig; not so much because it was designing a monster but because it was my first work on a union film, a nice breakthrough, career-wise). Stan's people built the suit based on my designs and plussed it by adding that cool four-pronged mouth idea.
Source: https://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/2008/06/17/stan-winston-r-i-p/

Does anyone know the actual timeline here? He doesn't even mention the Boss version.

It would appear Stout was brought in on Hunter (Predator) in 1985 based on his post, but definitely before filming when John McTiernan was still wanting a design similar to the Giger painting, a creature with the American Football shaped head (which is what he got with the Boss Films design.) I do find it interesting that McTiernan, when knocking the first Predator design, doesn't seem to mention his partial culpability or perhaps he was the catalyst of the design.

But here is roughly what we know about whom was in involved in fixing the Predator:

PREDATOR: Fixing the Creature - Robert Short Productions & John McTiernan
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62388.0

But I'm glad you shared that link regarding "Invaders From Mars". It's creating a disheartening pattern of Stan Winston taking credit sometimes for other people's work, which appears to have happened somewhat on Predator.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Oct 03, 2021, 02:23:53 PM
Been meaning to post this but I do find it interesting Illfonic's "Haze" helmet does bear a resemblance to Stout's take on the Predator. A combination yes but I couldn't help but notice that.

Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Biggles on Oct 03, 2021, 06:39:58 PM
Thank you Voodoo Magic; I remember reading your excellent post on that; it's partly why I was confused about Stout's contribution as it doesn't appear. Although Winston clearly had a thing about credit, it looks like Stout is forgetting/glossing over the contributions of others; I can't see how we jump from his concepts to Winston's mandibles. And it still looks to me that SWS at least did a full redesign on the head, not just the mandibles.
Title: Re: Illustrator William Stout Reveals Early Concept Art for "Predator" including a G
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2021, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 03, 2021, 06:39:58 PM
Thank you Voodoo Magic; I remember reading your excellent post on that; it's partly why I was confused about Stout's contribution as it doesn't appear. Although Winston clearly had a thing about credit, it looks like Stout is forgetting/glossing over the contributions of others; I can't see how we jump from his concepts to Winston's mandibles. And it still looks to me that SWS at least did a full redesign on the head, not just the mandibles.

Happy to help! :)

Stout did at least credit Robert Short's team in one of his blog posts to some degree. I just wish Stan Winston did, considering the masked Predator was already pretty much designed before Stan Winston Studio got the job.




May 22, 2022, 09:34:52 AM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 03, 2021, 02:23:53 PM
Been meaning to post this but I do find it interesting Illfonic's "Haze" helmet does bear a resemblance to Stout's take on the Predator. A combination yes but I couldn't help but notice that.

https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7b90691792be9e0e5b795fbbb5aad9bed00586ba.jpeg

Good eye!