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Exclusive: Producer John Davis Talks About the PREDATOR Franchise, Potential Sequels, Reveals What Stopped Schwarzenegger from Doing PREDATOR 2

A few days ago I sat down with producer John Davis for an extended interview.  While the main purpose of our sit down was to talk about his new family film, Mr. Popper's Penguins, starring Jim Carrey, we also covered his early career, his thoughts on VOD, his relationship with Eddie Murphy, what he has coming up, and many other subjects.  Since the conversation was so wide ranging, I'm breaking it up into smaller parts, like I did with my interviews with producers Dan Lin and Neal Moritz.

While I debated what to post first, I'm going with Predator.  Davis served as a producer on every Predator film including the two Alien vs. Predator movies. As a big fan of what producer Robert Rodriguez and director Nimrod Antal did last year on Predators, I was curious if we'd get a sequel, and what was up with the franchise.  Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like anything is happening right now.  However, I did learn that Schwarzenegger almost did Predator 2 and the deal broke down over $250,000.  Hit the jump for more.

Predators-movie-imageThe big news for fans of the franchise is that nothing is brewing right now.  Davis said that even though all the Predators movies make money, "it needs to rest for a couple of years."  He went on to say that it's all about finding new ways to reinvent the franchise.  He went on to say:

    "I can't see why if we can't be clever we can't reinvent it again."

However, while another sequel/reboot might be somewhere down the road, I learned an interesting fact from the past.  According to Davis, Schwarzenegger almost made Predator 2 and "the deal broke down over $250,000."  With how much money Schwarzenegger makes, it crazy to think such a small number kept him out of the sequel.  However, back in 1990, Schwarzenegger made Total Recall and if he had agreed to be in Predator 2, perhaps one of his best roles would have never happened.

Here's the part of my conversation with Davis about the Predator franchise.  Look for more with Davis tomorrow or Wednesday.

Collider: You started with Predator and I really dug the reboot you did with Robert Rodriguez.  How successful was that for the studio in terms of maybe making another one?

John Davis:  You know, those Predator movies...Tom Rothman said this to me, "Man, they all seem to make money."  I get a big check every year on my net points off of the original Predator.  You know how hard it is to get net points on a studio movie, right?  It was hugely profitable.  It far exceeded its revenue on DVD than in theaters by three or four times.

You're talking about the original, right?

Davis:  Yes.  I talked to Arnold about rebooting Predator and doing something in terms of that.  I think in terms of right now, it needs to rest for a couple of years.  I can't see why if we can't be clever we can't reinvent it again.

I actually really dug it.  I thought Rodriguez did a great job with it.

Davis:  Yeah.  It was really fun.

It was really good.  That's why as a fan I'd love to see another one.

Davis:   Yeah.  He changed the setting.  He put it on another planet.  You have to keep changing the setting.  You have to find a clever way to do it.  If we were going to do it with Arnold; it was like, "Does it make sense to go back and to put him with a young team?"  So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters.  Is that a reboot in the fact that you are in it with a group of young guys?  Is that a reboot?  You just have to figure out a way to reboot it.  Rodriguez rebooted it.  It's all in the planet.  The sequel to the first one rebooted it.  We should've had Arnold in the movie.  The deal broke down over $250,000, which is a shame.  But it was moved from the jungle to the city.  You have to create a freshness about it.  When we did Alien vs. Predator we kind of rebooted it because we put the two pieces together.  You just have to give it enough time to come up with a new freshness.  It is what they did so brilliantly with Fast Five.

http://collider.com/john-davis-interview-predator-predators-sequel/94895/ (http://collider.com/john-davis-interview-predator-predators-sequel/94895/)

They could have Arnold for a Predators sequel. We don't need to start over again since Predators was a great and find how it was.

Quote from: Daz85 on Jun 06, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
Exclusive: Producer John Davis Talks About the PREDATOR Franchise, Potential Sequels, Reveals What Stopped Schwarzenegger from Doing PREDATOR 2

  Yeah.  He changed the setting.  He put it on another planet.  You have to keep changing the setting.  You have to find a clever way to do it.  If we were going to do it with Arnold; it was like, "Does it make sense to go back and to put him with a young team?"  So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters.  Is that a reboot in the fact that you are in it with a group of young guys?  Is that a reboot?  You just have to figure out a way to reboot it.  Rodriguez rebooted it. b]

http://collider.com/john-davis-interview-predator-predators-sequel/94895/ (http://collider.com/john-davis-interview-predator-predators-sequel/94895/)

Sounds like the "Heartbreak Ridge" of Predators lol.  I'm all in for an veteran cast member.

Doesn't really seem overly news worthy. I would be concerned with how many times he used the word "reboot" but it seems he considered every film other than the original to be a "reboot" of sorts. It is interesting to note that the original Predator continues to turn a profit but i suppose it isn't all that surprising. As for the reason Arnold refused to return for Predator 2 being 250,000 that seems a little sketchy. Apart from he dislike of setting it in the city i always thought conflicting schedules with Total Recall and T2 were what derailed his involvement. If it truly was only a quarter million FOX really dropped the ball. Although honestly i can't believe they wouldn't have given him that. As for letting the franchise rest a few years i always figured it'd be some time before we saw the "confirmed" sequel to Predators. They really ought to not way too long though, maybe 2014?

A few years!?  NOOOOOOO!!!!

It doesn't need to rest at all, we need Predators 2. I wanna find out how Royce gets off the hunting planet. I'm happy for him to meed Arnold on the way.

I mean seriously, what is up with this  Davis guy? Forces Paul Anderson and the Strause Brothers on one of the best movie crossover ideas ever, insists on Earth. Top it all off, denying us a sequel to Rodriguezs Predators...the only director to "get it" since the first one.

This news blows. Hopefully Rodriguez pushes for a Predators sequel.

Quote from: Daz85 on Jun 06, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters.

'Cept for Glover.

Quote from: jimmylace on Jun 06, 2011, 11:24:44 PM
I wanna find out how Royce gets off the hunting planet.

That would be a slightly bad idea.
Even though I am mainly a ALIENS fan I still want to see another Predator movie cause I like them too.
BUT already people complain that PREDATORS was too much like PREDATOR.
At the end of Predators we see more boxes (of people/other animals?) being dropped down for the next hunt.
So therefore, Royce would get to them they would all team up and its PREDATORS all over again except maybe this time they get off the planet instead of it blowing up.

Never thought I'd say it, but Davis sounds like he has his head screwed on straight.

I thought John Davis was done with the series after AVPR was a failure. He should go back to working on his Sims movie.

Wait, I thought a sequel to Predators was already confirmed?

I love the first PREDATOR, and PREDATORS was Ok. Past the 2nd act, it gets sloppy I think but, even though I'm indifferent to the series, it seems like they have wasted a lot of opportunities to elaborate on the mythology of the monster.
What works most about PREDATOR is the idea that an alien species hunts humans. So, it seems logical that the expansion should somehow stick with that theme but also bring it together. PREDATORS varied it, but it didn't go anywhere. They spend too much time worrying about cool weapons and new armour and not enough on elaborating on the concept. If it continues from PREDATORS, the logical step to me would be to have Royce stow-away on a PREDATOR ship and get back to their homeworld, and then have conditions on that planet give humans an advantage over the PREDS in the hunt, and have him hunting some other less advanced race of Predators, so the roles are reversed and then maybe add Predators trying to hunt him down as well. Sort of like BLADE RUNNER meets PREDATOR on the PRED homeworld, with a twist, where human biology gives us an advantage, similar to the way the Pred tech gives the Pred an advantage on Earth-like environments.

Maybe you are indifferent to Predator franchise, but not all of us are so please stop posting such shit because someone will hear you by accident and we will have "Royce the predaturd slayer on predaturds planetz!!!!!!!1111111lolz!!!1!!".

Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 07, 2011, 04:20:43 AM
I love the first PREDATOR, and PREDATORS was Ok. Past the 2nd act, it gets sloppy I think but, even though I'm indifferent to the series, it seems like they have wasted a lot of opportunities to elaborate on the mythology of the monster.
What works most about PREDATOR is the idea that an alien species hunts humans. So, it seems logical that the expansion should somehow stick with that theme but also bring it together. PREDATORS varied it, but it didn't go anywhere. They spend too much time worrying about cool weapons and new armour and not enough on elaborating on the concept. If it continues from PREDATORS, the logical step to me would be to have Royce stow-away on a PREDATOR ship and get back to their homeworld, and then have conditions on that planet give humans an advantage over the PREDS in the hunt, and have him hunting some other less advanced race of Predators, so the roles are reversed and then maybe add Predators trying to hunt him down as well. Sort of like BLADE RUNNER meets PREDATOR on the PRED homeworld, with a twist, where human biology gives us an advantage, similar to the way the Pred tech gives the Pred an advantage on Earth-like environments.

I agree. More mythology=better storytelling. It allows the viewer to become more immersed in the film because they're being introduced to a whole new species and way of life; the audience can see where the Predators are coming from. A rich mythology also keeps the audience engaged because we get to believing that there is a culture here that extends far deeper than just killing for the sake of being a badass killer.

Btw, I think we'll see a new Predators film by 2013. The summer following Prometheus.

"it needs to rest for a couple of years"

Given that since AVP we gotten a movie every 3 years...... i think he actually means 2 years...

"Yeah.  He changed the setting.  He put it on another planet. "
Yeah but outside of the shot with the different moons..... the other planet was no different than anything seen on earth. In fact, you can cut out that shot and change a couple of lines and that movie would not miss a step.

And yeah he does say reboot a whole lot. It seems like he is using the words to replace another instead of using it for the actual meaning. Them Hollywood folks with the "soft-reboot, re-imagining, etc" sure like to come up with terms to confuse people on what is actually being done.  I guess the word remake is a negative now when half of the film coming out of there are IN FACT remakes.

John Davis has all the artistic integrity of a Kit Kat wrapper. What he thinks of the stories should be about as noteworthy as what Kevin Peter Hall thought of the marketing.

Not that I'm still bitter about his insistence on AVP being on earth in the present day, or anything.

EDIT: Sorry, that's a little disingenuous. It's a good interview, I just find him irritating.

I think Davis is the main person responsible for not listening to fans. Too little, too late. Also, I'd rather have Predators developing in a different direction, and become a story driven arc on its own, and leave Predator 1, 2, 3, 4 be their own standalones.

I'm happy Davis stopped with AVP after requiem.
And I'm also happy he lets PREDATORS sink down the sea for another possible decade? At least for a few years.

"So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters."

I've said this from day one, the Pred story is un-finished and will remain stagnant until they address this HUGE premise.

Dutch Survived the encounter and now we and the Preds are ignoring him.

It's not right.

Quote from: Original Predator on Jun 07, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
"So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters."

I've said this from day one, the Pred story is un-finished and will remain stagnant until they address this HUGE premise.

Dutch Survived the encounter and now we and the Preds are ignoring him.

It's not right.

Someday there will be a Predator 3 starring Dutch. Hollywood loves bringing back old monster horror flicks, and Predator is one of the biggest ones out there. Plus, they'd find a way to get Arnold on board because a new Predator movie with Arnold would make too much money to pass up. It may not happen in the next few years, but eventually Arnold WILL return for a new Predator movie to finish the story arc.

To be honest. I am not that kind of a fan that wants a film every 2 or 3 years of one of my favourite movie franchises. E. g. I'm so glad things went so slowly with "The Hobbit" after LOTR, made peter jackson from a producer to a director...

Now with the predator franchise, imo we got a rather decent, maybe even good movie with "Predators" after those 2 abominations crossing the Alien and Predator franchises (which I find great for games, but horrible for movies). So yes, I'm all for a rest, rather than a rushed sequel. I really don't need Arnie in a Pred movie, Brody did a great job as well, so I'd give anybody the chance for the lead role.

However, I do believe it's high time for the next Pred movie in the not so near future to get back to great predator suits like in Predator 1 and 2. Those things looked so real. Even the classic Pred in "Predators" looked so fake unmasked. Come on, somebody has to do the job right, it's one of the important if not THE most import thing in a horror flick. Honestly... although I always hated the idea of CGI Preds... I think it's an option that has to be considered seriously now... and I'm not talking about fake CGI like in deep blue sea, I'm talking about the real deal like WETA would deliver it (I mean their apes for "Rise of the planet of the ape" already look far better than those of that cheap Mark Wahlberg movie)

The franchise needs a damn rest, but something more than just "A couple" of years. Seriously, the last three movies came out at an interval of three years.

I'd say maybe another ten or even twenty years would do the franchise some good. Ten being the least.. but then again knowing Hollywood, we're looking at maybe another four. And that damn sure isn't enough time to give it a rest. But hey, like Davis quoted Rothman: "Those Predator movies, they make a lot of money!"

...Yeah, it's all about the money and we're all suckers for it.

Hearing that the franchise is getting a rest, with a potential reboot/remake/sequel... is kind of pleasing and unnerving. Pleasing because it's getting a rest for god knows how long. Unnerving because we don't know what we're gonna get.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Rich Green Acid Blood on Jun 07, 2011, 01:47:24 PM

Quote from: Original Predator on Jun 07, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
"So maybe it's 20 years later, you have retired, and you are the one person who has survived one of these encounters."

I've said this from day one, the Pred story is un-finished and will remain stagnant until they address this HUGE premise.

Dutch Survived the encounter and now we and the Preds are ignoring him.

It's not right.

Someday there will be a Predator 3 starring Dutch. Hollywood loves bringing back old monster horror flicks, and Predator is one of the biggest ones out there. Plus, they'd find a way to get Arnold on board because a new Predator movie with Arnold would make too much money to pass up. It may not happen in the next few years, but eventually Arnold WILL return for a new Predator movie to finish the story arc.

I hope so.

The cart got ahead of the horse with this whole franchise.

Instead of making a nice sequence of events in the Pred hunt story line, they went all over the map.  Predators would have been much better with the prior movies tied/wrapped up.

Predators was a decent transitional movie for the franchise, but to me it wasn't as effective because the franchise is not yet ready for a transition.

Watching Predators, in the back of my head I was thinking about Dutch/Harrigan surving prior "hunts" and yet here we are expected to just wipe that from our memory while a new group becomes hunted.

I'm not at the point yet where I can just "forget" about the prior two movies and their importance to the franchise and the development of the coolest Hollywood Monster ever.

Let's see, let's see...

I don't think the franchise needs a 10-20 year rest. It needs good quality product now. If they plan on making another sub-par film akin to the AVP movies then sure, skip it, but i wouldn't want that same sub-par film 10 years down the road either. My fear with putting it off that length of time is you'll be so far removed from the original in terms of time. Of course, with a prequel to Alien and a new Apes film coming out that doesn't seem to be too big an issue. Still, i think the best course of action would be to wait maybe another 2-3 years and release a new film that continues off of and expands upon what was presented to us in Predators. Let's say 2014, which would be nice 4 year break.

Also, i doubt there will ever be another Predator film with Arnold. Despite what he's said about returning to any number of franchises he's been in i don't see it happening. In addition i don't think we need Arnold in another Predator movie. Sure, if they cooked up a good story it'd be nice, really nice, but a good Predator or Predators film can be made without him. As for why the Predators have been leaving him and Danny Glover alone, as someone mentioned, i always thought it was because they proved themselves against the Predators. Beat 'em once and you're set for life. Those story lines are wrapped up.

As for where i'd like to see a new Predator(s) film go i'd pretty watch want it to pick up sometime after Predators. Not so immediately though. Maybe the film opens with Royce and a few new survivors sneaking their way onto a Predator ship thinking they're going home but soon find themselves on the Predator's home world. Once there, maybe they could bump into another action star or two that just happen to be lurking around.

Man..this is pretty disappointing.  I was hoping a sequel to PREDATORS would materialize sooner than later. :(

I realize this isn't any sort of confirmation that a sequel won't ever happen, but since the movie was such a success, I figured a sequel was something that would be considered much sooner than later. Maybe he feels the franchise has been a little over saturated, as of late, who knows.

Quote from: Master on Jun 07, 2011, 05:54:47 AM


Maybe you are indifferent to Predator franchise, but not all of us are so please stop posting such shit because someone will hear you by accident and we will have. "Royce the predaturd slayer on predaturds planetz!!!!!!!1111111lolz!!!1!!"

Im not necessarily indifferent I just think they drop the ball by not expanding. The dimensions are whats interesting, the weapons and action are what's cool. They need to add more dimension. PREDATORS tried but it wasn't enough. There was too much attention spent getting it back to what what good about the original and not enough on where it's going.
So with every film, nothing seems to get anywhere.
Also it's really hard to take what you seriously when you write shit like this:  "Royce the predaturd slayer on predaturds planetz!!!!!!!1111111lolz!!!1!!"
But I don't like ROYCE either. It's just where else is there to go from that movie?

Another idea I had was to have the PREDATORS using humans as a form of MARINES against a formidable race (this could have been a good plot for AVP) that they can't seem to beat, maybe some sort of biowarfare gets in the way of their highest trophy kills so they are using humans as a buffer, SORT OF HOW WE USE DOGS TO HELP US HUNT, but then also have some other plot where they intend to hunt them as well.

I don't think the Predator series has dropped the ball all that much. At least not with the first 2 films, perhaps slightly with the more recent Predators. Predator 2 changed the setting and increased the Predators arsenal of weapons. We also were treated to the interior of the ship and the introduction of their potentially clan based society. This is/was enough for me. And really Aliens didn't do too much more than that. Sure, there were a hell of a lot more of them but that's akin to the Predator's increased weaponry. The Queen was a big reveal, and does perhaps trump everything that Predator 2 had to offer, but it's not all that different from seeing the other members in Pussy Face's clan, even if Danny Glover didn't have to throw down with them.

I agree, Predators didn't do much. It introduced the Berserker and BSP and Falconer but didn't do enough with them to highlight their differences. And yes, setting it on a different planet didn't do much for a change of scenery. As is known though FOX wanted to take the audience back into the jungle, giving the audience what they know and love so to speak. The fact that Predators take humans, and other creatures, from Earth and elsewhere and bring them to game reserves is new though. Maybe not to the comics, or games, but for the movies. The Predator Dogs were a welcomed addition as well.

What did Alien 3 do? It took us back to 1 Alien. Sure, the twist was it burst forth from either a dog or oxen. Of course the primary focus of the films at that point was on Ripley and the company. A reoccurring main character and mysterious and often "evil" company is something that benefited the Alien films, and that the Predator films are lacking. I however don't see the need to a reoccurring main character. As i said, i view Dutch's and Harrigan's stories to be done. As for government involvement Predator 2 did introduce us to O.W.L.F.

Really there isn't that much difference in the amount of new components given to us by either franchise. At least that's how i see it. The key difference is the Alien films follow Ripley, whereas the Predator films only returning star is always the Predator itself. Each film has expanded upon the last, even if minimally. I myself am plenty fine with what we've been given and honestly don't need to be shown, in detail, every component of their society.

If they had kept the story simple with a Predator 3, things would have turned out for the better I think. I still think that a desert warfare setting would have been ideal, considering it's another hotspot for the Predator to visit. Dutch could be written into the storyline easily. Let's say it's in Iraq, Dutch is a CO or something, Pred gets involved, Dutch has to go fight again.

Well my message for Mr. Davis is to not let it rest too long. Thats what happened with the Alien franchise before ALIEN 3, and then they made a horrible film and choices when trying to make a sequel to 2 great films. Predator 2 is actually more acceptable to me than the AVP films. Keep the fanboy directors away, and keep experienced and good film makers in the loop for making these films. I do hope that there is a sequel to PREDATORS. it may have not been perfect, but I really enjoyed fox separating it from the ALIEN franchise and going in the CORRECT direction. It seems in the 90's the studio couldn't get it right with either franchise. The good ideas that have come up in recent years were actually there in the 90's. But stupidity and creative indifference prevailed for too long. Thank god some right decision making has come back.

You want something to bind franchise together? Be my guest. Set it on the deser where Pred is obviously killing and then send Garber`s team there to investigate. They are aware what`s going on. They are prepared  and they can give biger insight to creature, as they are obviously studying it for long time. Prefect predator sequel, right here.

Quote from: Master on Jun 07, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
You want something to bind franchise together? Be my guest. Set it on the deser where Pred is obviously killing and then send Garber`s team there to investigate. They are aware what`s going on. They are prepared  and they can give biger insight to creature, as they are obviously studying it for long time. Prefect predator sequel, right here.

Either this or... a new Predator continuity which is a straight up reboot, with nothing to do with the last five movies.. Not even the original.

Something to stand entirely on it's own and form a new lineage.

-Rakai'Thwei

You left Predator movie for 250,000$ diffrence Arnie... I am so upset...
A FEW YEARS! HOW LONG IS THAT?

Quote from: Predator Queen on Jun 08, 2011, 01:38:53 AM
You left Predator movie for 250,000$ diffrence Arnie... I am so upset...
A FEW YEARS! HOW LONG IS THAT?

Maybe five to six years at the most... two to three at the least, knowing Hollywood.

Personally, I'm hoping ten years but that ain't gonna happen.

-Rakai'Thwei

Any new Predator film, or series, regardless of whether it's intended to start anew will always draw comparisons to all other Predator films. Really, Predators could have done the job if they edited out the references to Arnold's team from the original.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 08, 2011, 02:25:23 AM

Quote from: Predator Queen on Jun 08, 2011, 01:38:53 AM
You left Predator movie for 250,000$ diffrence Arnie... I am so upset...
A FEW YEARS! HOW LONG IS THAT?

Maybe five to six years at the most... two to three at the least, knowing Hollywood.

Personally, I'm hoping ten years but that ain't gonna happen.

-Rakai'Thwei

I`m hoping franchise won`t go into suspension for such liong time. We aren`t geting any younger Rakai. Neither are the actors (I`m talking about Adam Baldwine, not Arnie as he is to old already to be believeble in Predator film). They shouldn`t wait till 2020. I think year or two after Prometheus is good time for next Predator or AvP... though I`d prefere Predator.

Quote from: Master on Jun 08, 2011, 06:21:25 AM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 08, 2011, 02:25:23 AM

Quote from: Predator Queen on Jun 08, 2011, 01:38:53 AM
You left Predator movie for 250,000$ diffrence Arnie... I am so upset...
A FEW YEARS! HOW LONG IS THAT?

Maybe five to six years at the most... two to three at the least, knowing Hollywood.

Personally, I'm hoping ten years but that ain't gonna happen.

-Rakai'Thwei

I`m hoping franchise won`t go into suspension for such liong time. We aren`t geting any younger Rakai. Neither are the actors (I`m talking about Adam Baldwine, not Arnie as he is to old already to be believeble in Predator film). They shouldn`t wait till 2020. I think year or two after Prometheus is good time for next Predator or AvP... though I`d prefere Predator.

Yeah, I'd like to see a new Predator sequel two maybe three years after Prometheus. Then a few years latter possibly AvP reboot. Hopefully they do it right.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 07, 2011, 03:48:56 PM
The franchise needs a damn rest, but something more than just "A couple" of years.

I'd say maybe another ten or even twenty years would do the franchise some good. Ten being the least.. but then again knowing Hollywood, we're looking at maybe another four. And that damn sure isn't enough time to give it a rest.

Hearing that the franchise is getting a rest, with a potential reboot/remake/sequel... is kind of pleasing and unnerving. Pleasing because it's getting a rest for god knows how long. Unnerving because we don't know what we're gonna get.

-Rakai'Thwei

The franchise ALREADY had MORE THAN ENOUGH rest!

Another ten or twenty years at least you say? I don't know if I should praise you for your limitless 'patience' (if it can even be called that) or...

Quote from: Rich Green Acid Blood on Jun 07, 2011, 01:47:24 PM
Someday there will be a Predator 3 starring Dutch.

We ALREADY have Predator 3 called Predators.

Quote from: Master on Jun 08, 2011, 06:21:25 AM
I`m hoping franchise won`t go into suspension for such liong time. We aren`t geting any younger Rakai. Neither are the actors (I`m talking about Adam Baldwine, not Arnie as he is to old already to be believeble in Predator film). They shouldn`t wait till 2020. I think year or two after Prometheus is good time for next Predator or AvP... though I`d prefere Predator.

I strongly believe that too much of a good thing can be bad. I mean we've had already.. what? Three movies pumped out within the last seven years. That's pretty fast in order to dish out movies, and I think a well deserved rest for the franchise would be good.

I wouldn't mind an AVP film, but as for a PREDATOR(S) sequel... No. Especially after how I was disappointed with PREDATORS and the confusion it's caused, not to mention the man who was behind it.

If anything, a straight up PREDATOR reboot would be fine as it is. Start a new timeline or new Predator universe. It shouldn't have any connection to the previous five movies, not even the original. It shouldn't be a sequel, not a remake, but a straight up stand-alone, reboot. Davis wants to re-invent the franchise? I say step away from the old continuities, and do a new one altogether.

To everyone saying "BRING BACK AH-NULD!" ....Seriously?

Leave the man alone, he's sixty three years old and by the time a Predator film is announced, he's going to be what? Sixty five? Sixty six at the most? Not to mention Arnold has his hands on other issues such as his Superhero movie project, and is already in talks for Terminator 5, so he's going to be pretty busy and there is no telling when a Predator film is going to be announced again.

You want an action stars for this movie? Hell, get Jason Statham or Dwayne Johnson. Maybe even Terry Crews.

-Rakai'Thwei

Vin Diesel and Dwane Johnson combo would be neat. Arnold, no of course not. But tihs new film should be here in few year time, not few decades. If we wait too long then what we get is another "going back to the roots shit, in jungle with wristblades and PC for third f**king time".

Quote from: Master on Jun 08, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
Vin Diesel and Dwane Johnson combo would be neat. Arnold, no of course not. But tihs new film should be here in few year time, not few decades. If we wait too long then what we get is another "going back to the roots shit, in jungle with wristblades and PC for third f**king time".

And I understand where your coming from.

If you want a new film in maybe... three to six years time, six being the most, then it should be a straight up reboot is all I'm going to say.

And if they do a reboot, please, none of that BSP bullshit. Those.... things... really weren't needed.

-Rakai'Thwei

BSP were somewhat new, and new is not bad. The BAD is redoing same thing every time. But it`s always worse as no copy of original is ever as good as original. I don`t want another waterfall scene, no stick around, no ugly motherf**ker, no over here etc. etc.

I`m tired with all those attempts to recapture the feeling of original. This one of reasons why I don`t want Arnold back. I want film that wil take same aproach as P2. Same creature*, same universe but totaly different environment and theme.



*By saying same creature I didn`t mean Anytime`s clone one more time. Different creature of same species. SP or Normal, I don`t give God damn.

I have no problem with Predator movies on hold for now. It's time to go back to AVP and make the third movie. I want to know what happens after Yutani got the Predator gun.

I`d rather like to know what happened with Bovotoya Queen.

You're right, new is not bad but I just don't think that the BSPs weren't really needed. To me it totally degraded the original concept of the Predator, and the whole Preserve Planet thing just made the idea of going to other worlds to hunt very redundant. Simply put, I just didn't like the last movie because I disagreed with many of the concepts they introduced and felt as if they weren't simply needed.

You know, Master, I actually LIKE talking to you. Wanna know why? Cause you're not elitist and you don't try to slam down people for differing opinions.  ;D

But anyway, I understand what you're saying. PREDATORS was a homage fest. I'm not going to lie, nor am I going to sugar coat my experience from watching the movie. It was a homage fest. Plain and simple. From the dialogue lines, to the environment and even to the Classic Predator who was admittedly, a bone thrown to the fans.

While I understand you want a continuation of the continuity, there is where I disagree. I think a straight up reboot/new continuity/AU would be good.

Where I do agree with you is that yes, bring in a member of the original Predator species, do what P2 did, put it in the desert on Earth... Or set it far ahead into the future and put it on a space station. Or put it in an under ocean facility.

As for an AvP film... well, I welcome the idea of what happened to the Antarctic Queen. Either she had been crushed by the oceanic abysmal pressure, or she might be frozen once again. So many possibilities there. If you want to restore the AvP idea... here is what you do... Salvage AvP, retcon AvP-R (I liked the film, but it's flawed and to satisfy everyone, why not retcon it?) and replace it with a story involving the Antarctic Queen somehow being found hundreds of years later.

-Rakai'Thwei

It`s not that I really care if in new film the previous ones are mentioned or not. But my whole life I was waiting for Predator 3 that will show things, Harrigan predicted at the end of P2. "Don`t worry asshole, you`ll get your chance." This should be theme for another film. And to freash things up, set it on the dessert.

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You know, Master, I actually LIKE talking to you. Wanna know why? Cause you're not elitist and you don't try to slam down people for differing opinions.  ;D

Same here mate, Cheers  ;)

The anti-Predators sentiment on this site doesn't exactly reflect wider opinion. Look on imdb.com and you can see that Predators is the highest-rated sequel on there:

Predator 7.8/10
Predators 6.5/10
Predator 2 6.0/10

AvP 5.4/10
AvPR 4.8/10

This is why it simply does not make sense for FOX not to get a sequel going... I'm not even sure if most fans would want Arnold in a new movie. A sequel to Predators can go in some new directions - the homeplanet, Predator cities, elaborate on the warring between the Predator and the BSP predators...

John Davis is a raving moron.

Quote from: jimmylace on Jun 08, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
The anti-Predators sentiment on this site doesn't exactly reflect wider opinion. Look on imdb.com and you can see that Predators is the highest-rated sequel on there

What Anti-PREDATORS sentiment? From what I've seen, this site is Pro-PREDATORS. I'm just one of the few here who disliked this movie.

Rule of thumb, I think for here, and of course personally my own is to pretty much never trust what IMDB says.

I could argue that so many things on the PREDATORS page there are inaccurate, especially in the FAQs and Trivia. I heard that sometime ago that Berserker's jaw bone on his mask belonged to a Xenomorph. Didn't they want to get away from AvP? Then why would that statement be there in the FAQs and Trivia?

Anybody can edit anything (provided you give IMDB your credit card), makes IMDB in my book, an unreliable and untrustworthy site.

Quote from: jimmylace on Jun 08, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
A sequel to Predators can go in some new directions - the homeplanet, Predator cities, elaborate on the warring between the Predator and the BSP predators...

John Davis is a raving moron.

We've seen the Predator homeworld in AvP-R. There is no need to visit that homeworld again, because that might do more harm than good. Especially, if it's Rodriguez driving the story there. Ugh... the tenacity that ....man... had when he had written his 1994 script with the planet being the Predator homeworld and introducing the Predator King is just... No..

We were promised an elaboration as to WHY the Originals and the BSPs were supposed to be warring in PREDATORS, but that promise was not held up as you can see. The closest thing we had to an elaboration was an implication that the BSPs were Bad Bloods, and this is pretty much given more weight IF, and this is a BIG IF, you consider the Crucified Predator animated short on the DVD and Blu-ray canon.

-Rakai'Thwei

First of all, this man is an idiot (John Davis).  I find it ironic that he sites Fast Five as his example.  The fast and the furious came out in 2001., so in 10 years we got 5 movies, with only 2 years between the last 2!?  With hints of another one at the end of Fast Five.   THats his idea of leaving a franchise alone?  I dont want to wait another 20 years for another Predator movie!!!!  That pisses me off that they will blow money on crap like the new penguin movie coming with Jim carrey, but wont make a quality Predator movie knowing there is a fanbase out here.  Predators, in my opinion, didnt come close to the standard, or the tagline...fear is reborn, no it wasnt!  WHy, why is it too much to ask for a good Predator movie?  We can have five race car movies, all pretty much the same crap, different cars, but God forbid we make more Predator or Aliens!!

can someone PM me contact info of Fox agents, because I think I can pitch better than this and actually sell it.

He also acts like if Predators was a bad film and that a reboot is needed.

Not bad maybe, but it Was medicore.

Quote from: Master on Jun 11, 2011, 05:20:18 AM
Not bad maybe, but it Was medicore.

For once I don't feel like the god damn black sheep on this forum.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 11, 2011, 06:30:44 AM

Quote from: Master on Jun 11, 2011, 05:20:18 AM
Not bad maybe, but it Was medicore.

For once I don't feel like the god damn black sheep on this forum.

-Rakai'Thwei

I agree which to me it was better than the AVP movies slightly but no where close to Pred 1 or even Pred 2.

Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jun 11, 2011, 06:46:16 AM
I agree which to me it was better than the AVP movies slightly but no where close to Pred 1 or even Pred 2.

I disagree with you on one part of that statement. Not gonna say which but... I just didn't like this movie. At all.

I gave it a chance, but still...

-Rakai'Thwei

Well thats cool I just think it was ok but could have been much more than what we got.  I dont think RR should make another one.  Just a side note I didnt hate AVP which was better than AVP-R which was just down right bad to me.

For a moment, I thought you were gonna go all Romper Stomper on me for my opinion.

I personally enjoyed the all the previous films which have come before PREDATORS, but PREDATORS just... it just pissed me off on so many levels. Now, I'm easily entertained but this movie just... I just didn't agree with it, and I don't think Robert Rodriguez was the right man for the job. At all whatsoever.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 11, 2011, 06:59:06 AM
For a moment, I thought you were gonna go all Romper Stomper on me for my opinion.

I personally enjoyed the all the previous films which have come before PREDATORS, but PREDATORS just... it just pissed me off on so many levels. Now, I'm easily entertained but this movie just... I just didn't agree with it, and I don't think Robert Rodriguez was the right man for the job. At all whatsoever.

-Rakai'Thwei

Hey everyone has a opinion which i respect that and we do both agree that RR should put his hands on any more films that deal with preds which Im not a big fan of his style of movies besides Sin City which that was just a fun popcorn flick to me.

First off, John Davis has never made wise decisions. Secondly, as much as I enjoyed Predators, I have nothing but fear for what RR would do next with the franchise. I feel like Predators stayed grounded because of Antal. I have huge respect for RR, and love pretty much all of his films, but that 1994 script scares the hell out of me.

Just because Jon Davis says the franchise needs to rest really doesn't mean jack shit in the end. If Fox wants to make another one, they will.

Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 11, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
I have nothing but fear for what RR would do next with the franchise.

My fears were already confirmed with PREDATORS. The fact that a sequel is potentially in mind just infuriates me.

Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 11, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
but that 1994 script scares the hell out of me.

That script didn't just scared you, it scared me too. I actually wrote a concerned letter to Rodriguez addressing the 1994 script, only to have it unopened and returned to sender.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 11, 2011, 06:15:04 PM

Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 11, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
I have nothing but fear for what RR would do next with the franchise.

My fears were already confirmed with PREDATORS. The fact that a sequel is potentially in mind just infuriates me.

Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 11, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
but that 1994 script scares the hell out of me.

That script didn't just scared you, it scared me too. I actually wrote a concerned letter to Rodriguez addressing the 1994 script, only to have it unopened and returned to sender.

-Rakai'Thwei

Compared to 1994 script Predators were ok. It homage feast though, with it`s new and fresh elements (Falcon, I`m looking at you) nearly unused. I was pissed that some potentialy good scenes never made to screen. Othre thing is that I rose my brow more then once especialy when BSP takes granade bouquet blast in point blank range and yet he have not a single scratch.

Having avidly loved it at first, after several rewatches I've been left thinking that this film served one purpose only: to provide a decent (not amazing, but good) transition movie to more, awesome films in the future. I REALLY hope the future ones are better (as there are areas to improve, despite it being a very good movie...just not spectacular as the series can be).

So P2 > Ps, at last.

:P

This is normal. When AvP-r came out peeps were saying it`s better then AvP and P2...

I was always saying that it`s medicore at similar level as AvP. Where AvP did right Ps did wrong and vice versa.

AvP sucked on every level. AvP:R I put on the same level as P2 only because it was more entertaining than AvP.

Quote from: Master on Jun 11, 2011, 06:25:07 PM
Compared to 1994 script Predators were ok.

Yes, the movie could've been worse. I'll concede that but seriously, it just went to show that Rodriguez is not the man for a Predator movie.

He should stick to Spy Kids.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
AvP sucked on every level. AvP:R I put on the same level as P2 only because it was more entertaining than AvP.

You are trying to piss me off, aren`t ya Doom? :laugh:

Yeah, AVP:R is nowhere near Predator 2. Or AVP for that matter. But then again, it's all opinions. As for a more expansive sequel to Predators, i'm definitely in favor of the idea. Predators wasn't great but it was serviceable. There was unrealized potential for greatest. If they could improve about the positives and do away with the negatives i'd definitely be pumped up for another film.

Quote from: Master on Jun 11, 2011, 09:13:45 PM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
AvP sucked on every level. AvP:R I put on the same level as P2 only because it was more entertaining than AvP.

You are trying to piss me off, aren`t ya Doom? :laugh:

Did you want me to?

Predators to me was a nice fresh start for the series after the AVP movies. Just like X-Men First Class did with X3 and Wolverine Origins. And Godzilla 2000 did with GINO and Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla.

A fresh start doesn't begin with movies that suck, like the ones you mentioned.

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
A fresh start doesn't begin with movies that suck, like the ones you mentioned.

You hated PREDATORS too?

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2011, 11:23:07 PM

Quote from: Master on Jun 11, 2011, 09:13:45 PM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
AvP sucked on every level. AvP:R I put on the same level as P2 only because it was more entertaining than AvP.

You are trying to piss me off, aren`t ya Doom? :laugh:

Did you want me to?

Oh I know you`d do your best ;)

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 12, 2011, 05:57:24 AM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
A fresh start doesn't begin with movies that suck, like the ones you mentioned.

You hated PREDATORS too?

-Rakai'Thwei

It looks more like hatered towards G2000 and X-men FC.

John Davis needs to go somewhere else and get a fresh start.

A new producer who can read and understand scripts, storylines, and characters instead of just earmarking shots fired, explosions, and death count needs to take his place.

Yeah he's hit a few homeruns at his 1000 times at bat, but even the sun shines on a dog's ass.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 12, 2011, 05:57:24 AM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
A fresh start doesn't begin with movies that suck, like the ones you mentioned.

You hated PREDATORS too?

-Rakai'Thwei

Predators sucked, yes. And I was referring to GINO and X3 and Wolverine.

Just because John Davis, a producer said "it needs to..." does not mean he holds the power to decide. But we all know that, do we?

I've updated my original blog post to reflect this new, frankly embarrassing information.

http://overexposure-film.blogspot.com/2011/05/exposition-industry-reboot.html (http://overexposure-film.blogspot.com/2011/05/exposition-industry-reboot.html)

Quote from: skull-splitter on Jun 10, 2011, 01:54:39 PM
can someone PM me contact info of Fox agents, because I think I can pitch better than this and actually sell it.

I'm not even half joking here.

And neither am I when I stay stop spamming.

Predators was the first Predator movie in almost 20 years, I find it silly to put it to rest when the Predator movies where on rest for another 20 years. The AVP movies don't count since those where crossovers.

Of course they count. They're using the same character which means more exposure.

It doesn't need rest, it needs attention, funds and love. Not shelling them out for a quick buck... I always wondered why fan-made films and game-mods were Fox'ed for "quality control" while official material lacked substantial depth and feel.

This actually fits with what I had thought FOX might do. Alternate between Alien and Predator movies. PROMETHEUS will come out and we'll start hearing more about a fourth Pred movie.

It does NOT need to rest for a few years, except those needed to come up with a good story and make a good film! A sequel to Predators could still be much better than that film and allow us to have some conclusion to Royce and Isabelle's story, as well as a chance to redeem the Classic Predators!

Am I the only one who is f***ing sick of reading the word "reboot"?! It's incredibly overused, has no real meaning, and it seems like every single thing is getting a reboot these days! Before its release, a producer of Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated referred to the show as a "reboot". Why the heck would you have to reboot Scooby-Doo?! Why can't the series just follow on from the past ones as all the other different incarnations have done?

No more! NO MORE, I say!!!

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2011, 02:23:03 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 12, 2011, 05:57:24 AM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
A fresh start doesn't begin with movies that suck, like the ones you mentioned.

You hated PREDATORS too?

-Rakai'Thwei

Predators sucked, yes. And I was referring to GINO and X3 and Wolverine.

Welcome to the club

a drink?

Ps had its weakness', but it also had a couple of strengths. Sort of like the Alien:Res of the Predator franchise.

As far as his comments go, it seems that he views the Pred franchise in a similar way to the JAWS franchise. With each J sequel they tried to reconcieve the notion of a giant shark showing up. And with the Pred series they may be trying to continuosly reconcieve what would happen if humans encountered alien hunters. Alot of what makes the Pred franchise different from the Alien franchise is that the Alien series is driven by its mythology while the Pred series is driven by its scenarios.

The Pred franchise is an anthology. Each film is its own story with its own approach. This can be directly traced back to the moment Arnold stepped away to do T2 instead of doing P2 as was originally intended. They moved ahead with P2 after rewriting the script to bring in a new set of characters. From then on, the series functioned under different rules. I'm not saying it couldn't shift into a more mythology driven style. In fact, if the rumors of Arnold possibly coming back to the franchise are true that may be exactly what will happen. And we'll see the franchise make the shift.