I've made no secret of the fact that I think retconning things is lazy and lacks integrity. The worst part of this to me, is that I would rather some crazy, dumb unbelievable explanation be given for the inclusion of anyone, rather than retcon entire sequels in a series of films that I've spent my spare-time throughout life wondering what would happen next in. Whether I was disappointed or not. And trust me I was extremely disappointed by Alien 4. I was just as disappointed in Alien3 at first - AT FIRST.
But I just don't understand why it has to be done? Just to bring back Hicks? Really? Is that the best reason? Because backpeddling from A:R and just making Ripley grow more human wouldn't be that difficult to pull off. So I guess I'm just thinking, what ideas do some of you have that justify the retcon happening? Like; for what reason, narratively speaking, does it have to occur?
Creative liberty. The filmmaker has a certain vision and brings it to life.
Nothing, 3 and 4 simply has no reason left to exist. That is of course, as long as the 5th movie doesn't blow.
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What justifies a retcon as to whether or not if a general audience and a fanbase has a negative reaction towards a particular concept or story, or sometimes even characters. However this doesn't stop to movies but also comic books but.. more and more I am feeling that the retcon tool is being abused. While I don't have anything negative to say about the upcoming Alien V movie, I can say that I do not like the decision to ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection. Now.. Resurrection I can do without but Alien 3 is a diamond in the rough. I say this because I have seen the Assembly Cut and it's a much better film than the theatrical, and then there is the workprint which I hear is even better. Sadly, it seemed as if this unrecognized diamond is being kicked to the curb..
I say that the retcon tool is being abused quite a lot, and not just in movies but also in comic books and video games. In the case of comic books, I bring up One More Day which was the retconning of Spider-Man and Mary Jane Watson's marriage. The reasoning behind that was because the writers felt as if Peter Parker was no longer relatable because he was married and it made him old.
We have content creators for our generation who grew up with the stuff we did, and who also for all intents and purposes probably didn't like some of the things which we were presented with. Maybe these content creators were disgruntled with certain storylines, characters... whatever. Sometimes their motivations are selfish, sometimes they feel like they're trying to bring a franchise to it's former glory.
Now in the case of the Alien franchise.. We've had a partial retcon in the Aliens: Colonial Marines game, where Hicks was miraculously resurrected from the dead and didn't even so much as bother to explain how he was still alive. Of course the DLC content tried to explain that but it did so in a hammish manner. In other words, it was done for fan service. Now I grew up with Alien 3, and when I saw the movie.. I didn't see anything wrong with it until somethings which were pointed out such as the egg appearing on the Sulaco and the EEV.
But after having seen the Assembly Cut of the movie.. I find it hard to have a good reason to retcon this movie. I felt that Ripley's sacrifice against an all consuming enemy was a good swan song for the character, and quite a heroic way to go out. Perhaps people didn't like the depressing ending of the Alien saga, perhaps they simply didn't like how Hicks and Newt were killed off.. But seeing both versions of the film, I find no reason why it should be retconned. Ignored? Possibly, but retconned?
If it is retconned... will Alien 3 and Resurrection merely be addressed as a nightmare? If you ask me, that is a major cop out and I feel like it would be take away from the franchise just to please fans of the second film.
This looks like it maybe the PREDATORS of the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 07:38:11 AM
Creative liberty. The filmmaker has a certain vision and brings it to life.
Succinct and on point.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 08:00:49 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 07:38:11 AM
Creative liberty. The filmmaker has a certain vision and brings it to life.
Succinct and on point.
It is neither succinct or on point. One could propose this argument if a director suddenly wanted to introduce King Kong to the franchise. We would consider that fan-fic because it wouldn't make sense despite exercising creative liberty. I'm asking for ideas. Not debate. What reason could there be, plot wise that doesn't amount to fan-fiction? Im asking you to have some vision and answer the question. Whether the ideas are used or not.
Retcon Aliens. Ripley got back to Earth 9 months after the Nostromo blew and 35 years later she's back in space and heading towards that unknown, unnamed planetoid.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:09:06 AM
It is neither succinct or on point.
Yes. It is.
You just don't like it. ;) That's fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking the retcon, but what OZ said is exactly right.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
Retcon Aliens. Ripley got back to Earth 9 months after the Nostromo blew and 35 years later she's back in space and heading towards that unknown, unnamed planetoid.
I'd be very interested in seeing where that alternative could take things too. :)
I dunno if a retcon is totally bad but it depends what the motives for it are. I think it's wrong, for example, just to retcon because people want to re-live ALIENS all over again. A different movie with different characters can be made; it just has to be good.
A retcon just need enthusiasm to make it work, and justify it. Alien 5 is the best movie news I've heard in a long, long time.
$$$$$$$.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 26, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
$$$$$$$.
In no way a standard sequel would have had that as a reason, eh?
Why take a crazy, dumb explanation when you can forego that and have a potentially good film that stands on its own?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 01:02:20 PM
Why take a crazy, dumb explanation when you can forego that and have a potentially good film that stands on its own?
I suppose it depends on how you look at it.
Just, as an example, look at the sober and mature way Aliens handles Ripley being locked away for over half a century. It reads like it could be potentially outlandish. "Ripley got stuck in space for 57 years, and after returning to Earth she's paired up with spess mahrens to go back and fight HUNDREDS OF ALIEMS!" Ya know? It's all in the way that you execute your bullsh*t. :laugh:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 01:02:20 PM
Why take a crazy, dumb explanation when you can forego that and have a potentially good film that stands on its own?
Alien Resurrection is the crazy dumb explanation of all crazy dumb explanations.
Alien 3, while a good film on its own, is almost equally absurd. You really think Ripley wouldn't have gone to check the drop-ship for critters before going to hypersleep? That's Poppycock. The writers even said they didn't have the resources to do a better job. Let it go.
Still think Alien Resurrection got a shit deal. Not that is wasn't a bad film (it clearly was), but where else could they have really gone with it after Alien 3 closed off all other avenues? They pretty much had to go with the ridiculous cloning McGuffin and run with it, although the whole Newborn thing was unforgivable... :-\
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Still think Alien Resurrection got a shit deal. Not that is wasn't a bad film (it clearly was), but where else could they have really gone with it after Alien 3 closed off all other avenues? They pretty much had to go with the ridiculous cloning McGuffin and run with it, although the whole Newborn thing was unforgivable... :-\
Exactly, hence why Alien 3 has to go.
Not really - Alien 3 didn't ruin opportunities, Resurrection did that itself with the line "for all intents and purposes, she succeeded". There was far more they could have done after 3 but it was the need to bring Sigourney back that took AR where it went.
Yup. If they really wanted to, they could have found some excuse to bring the series back to LV-426 and the Derelict (that could have written in that it wasn't destroyed in the explosion).
Or just have them find Aliens (or, hell, even Jockeys if they wanted to go that route) elsewhere. It'd kind of undermine Ripley's sacrifice either way, but Fox surely doesn't care about that.
I'm quite surprised by this kind of comment about Alien 3 and 4. I understand that Resurrection is not well loved (but I think the hatred for it here is hyperbolic). But Alien 3 ? The extended cut is great, in my opinion, and Alien 3 has great elements. I understand that many people hated the death of two beloved characters, Newt and Hicks. But the death of Ripley gave closure to the character in a meaningful way. The "trilogy" that it made up was coherent.
Of course, there were other possible scenarios for Ripley at the time and Alien 3 closed the way - except for the idea of the clone experiment which was chosen in Resurrection (but Ripley 8 is another character).
It's one thing to support the retcon, and another one to say "the two last movies must be forgotten" or are utterly bad. I'm not opposed to the retcon with Ripley, for example. But it better be good, and a great movie, and the risk is to take the reverse way of Alien 3 (killing the two other survivors of Haldey's Hope was maybe too much, but making Hicks invincible in Alien V would appear the same, for example).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:24 PM
Not really - Alien 3 didn't ruin opportunities, Resurrection did that itself with the line "for all intents and purposes, she succeeded". There was far more they could have done after 3 but it was the need to bring Sigourney back that took AR where it went.
Hicks I can't understand how you can justify that perspective. (I mean the sheer fact that you chose Corporal hicks as you tag suggests you would have a different perspective, but I digress ;) )
Let's take a look at some story / film fundamentals:
Every story is basically one of 3 archetypes
Man vs Man
Man vs Nature
Man vs Himself
The story of Alien is essentially Man vs Nature. In this case it is Ripley (Woman) vs the Alien (Nature). The Aliens are exotic but for all intents and purposes they're just stupid animals. (How could they cut the power?). Independently of a cast of people, the Aliens have no story of their own. Pure Sci-fi fans may differ in their opinion of this because they are more fascinated with the fantastic situation than they are with the actual human aspects which are intrinsic to every good story. For any story to be any good, it has to have the human element. It can't be denied that Alien 3 finished Ripley's arc effectively, but to say that it allowed for further continuity is not consistent with good story telling.
Granted you could just tell another tale in the established Alien universe, but any such story would be hollow without the lead character. The Aliens are the equivalent of a tornado. A force of nature. You can tell different tales about a tornado, but without the protagonist from the first story, they are just unrelated tales. To continue with an exploration of LV-426's derelict without Ripley is no more than an epilogue to the central story arc. It may satisfy some fans' curiosities, but for the most part it will fall flat. It is like the Rocky series without Sly Stallone's character (but instead some other boxer), or Superman without Clark Kent (but with a similar super-being).
Do you recall the Airwolf TV series? How about the Knight Rider TV series? They had very compelling universes. An intelligent talking car and a futuristic helicopter. At some point the lead characters went away and then they were replaced by other lead characters in a follow-up series. Each series fell flat. You can't just delete the main character and expect the story to continue regardless of how amazing the context is.
My 2 cents.
Alien 5 continuing the story of Ripley, Hicks, and Newt would be perfect.
Retcons and reboots are ALWAYS cop outs. Period.
You're too lazy and cheap to work with what you got. It's unimaginative an uncreative. It's money grabbing.
Every film ever is money grabbing -- nothing makes 'retcons' any more guilty of doing that.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
Every film ever is money grabbing -- nothing makes 'retcons' any more guilty of doing that.
Especiall sequels. Let's not forget that his is an industry. It exists to make money. By selling artistic stories on film, but to make money nonetheless. Alien 3 was not a part of the original story teller's vision. It was a random, ad-hock story that was cobbled together to eek out some more money from the success of Aliens. It needs to be retconned, and the quicker the better.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:24 PM
Not really - Alien 3 didn't ruin opportunities, Resurrection did that itself with the line "for all intents and purposes, she succeeded". There was far more they could have done after 3 but it was the need to bring Sigourney back that took AR where it went.
Hicks I can't understand how you can justify that perspective. (I mean the sheer fact that you chose Corporal hicks as you tag suggests you would have a different perspective, but I digress ;) )
Let's take a look at some story / film fundamentals:
Every story is basically one of 3 archetypes
Man vs Man
Man vs Nature
Man vs Himself
The story of Alien is essentially Man vs Nature. In this case it is Ripley (Woman) vs the Alien (Nature). The Aliens are exotic but for all intents and purposes they're just stupid animals. (How could they cut the power?). Independently of a cast of people, the Aliens have no story of their own. Pure Sci-fi fans may differ in their opinion of this because they are more fascinated with the fantastic situation than they are with the actual human aspects which are intrinsic to every good story. For any story to be any good, it has to have the human element. It can't be denied that Alien 3 finished Ripley's arc effectively, but to say that it allowed for further continuity is not consistent with good story telling.
Granted you could just tell another tale in the established Alien universe, but any such story would be hollow without the lead character. The Aliens are the equivalent of a tornado. A force of nature. You can tell different tales about a tornado, but without the protagonist from the first story, they are just unrelated tales. To continue with an exploration of LV-426's derelict without Ripley is no more than an epilogue to the central story arc. It may satisfy some fans' curiosities, but for the most part it will fall flat. It is like the Rocky series without Sly Stallone's character (but instead some other boxer), or Superman without Clark Kent (but with a similar super-being).
Do you recall the Airwolf TV series? How about the Knight Rider TV series? They had very compelling universes. An intelligent talking car and a futuristic helicopter. At some point the lead characters went away and then they were replaced by other lead characters in a follow-up series. Each series fell flat. You can't just delete the main character and expect the story to continue regardless of how amazing the context is.
My 2 cents.
I'm out atm and on my phone but when I get home tonight I'll reply to this properly.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Retcons and reboots are ALWAYS cop outs. Period.
You're too lazy and cheap to work with what you got. It's unimaginative an uncreative. It's money grabbing.
C'mon, man.
Quote"I'd always had this naive idea that everybody wants to make movies as good as they can be, which is stupid. So I learned on this movie [Alien 3] that nobody really knows, so therefore no one has to care, so it's always going to be your fault. I'd always thought, 'Well, surely you don't want to have the Twentieth Century Fox logo over a shitty movie.' And they were like, 'Well, as long as it opens.'"
Quote"There are people, who shall remain nameless, that I was bumping into as I was trying to put this thing together who put the whole experience into a really interesting perspective. They would say, 'Look, you could have somebody piss against the wall for two hours and call it Alien 3 and it would still do 30 million dollars worth of business.' That's the impetus to make these movies, you can't keep the people away."
^ David Fincher.
He's not alone:
Quote"The impetus of the third film was primarily the success of Aliens."
~ Sigourney Weaver.
Quote"I hesitate to say it, but I think that money men now seem to be in control of the studios, rather than filmmakers, the emphasis is much more on making profits. These people know that if they release a film called Alien 3 they're going to make millions of dollars, providing they don't exceed the initial budget. So, they don't actually care what the picture's like. That sounds very cynical, but that's the way things work in the industry at the moment."
~ Martin Asbury, Alien 3 storyboard artist, Starlog, 1992.
Quote"In the end,it came to a showdown between the director's vision and a dwindling amount of cold, hard cash."
~ Sigourney Weaver, Premiere magazine, 1992.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:24 PM
Not really - Alien 3 didn't ruin opportunities, Resurrection did that itself with the line "for all intents and purposes, she succeeded". There was far more they could have done after 3 but it was the need to bring Sigourney back that took AR where it went.
Hicks I can't understand how you can justify that perspective. (I mean the sheer fact that you chose Corporal hicks as you tag suggests you would have a different perspective, but I digress ;) )
Let's take a look at some story / film fundamentals:
Every story is basically one of 3 archetypes
Man vs Man
Man vs Nature
Man vs Himself
The story of Alien is essentially Man vs Nature. In this case it is Ripley (Woman) vs the Alien (Nature). The Aliens are exotic but for all intents and purposes they're just stupid animals. (How could they cut the power?). Independently of a cast of people, the Aliens have no story of their own. Pure Sci-fi fans may differ in their opinion of this because they are more fascinated with the fantastic situation than they are with the actual human aspects which are intrinsic to every good story. For any story to be any good, it has to have the human element. It can't be denied that Alien 3 finished Ripley's arc effectively, but to say that it allowed for further continuity is not consistent with good story telling.
Granted you could just tell another tale in the established Alien universe, but any such story would be hollow without the lead character. The Aliens are the equivalent of a tornado. A force of nature. You can tell different tales about a tornado, but without the protagonist from the first story, they are just unrelated tales. To continue with an exploration of LV-426's derelict without Ripley is no more than an epilogue to the central story arc. It may satisfy some fans' curiosities, but for the most part it will fall flat. It is like the Rocky series without Sly Stallone's character (but instead some other boxer), or Superman without Clark Kent (but with a similar super-being).
Do you recall the Airwolf TV series? How about the Knight Rider TV series? They had very compelling universes. An intelligent talking car and a futuristic helicopter. At some point the lead characters went away and then they were replaced by other lead characters in a follow-up series. Each series fell flat. You can't just delete the main character and expect the story to continue regardless of how amazing the context is.
My 2 cents.
I'm out atm and on my phone but when I get home tonight I'll reply to this properly.
Cool. Looking forward to your insights.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Retcons and reboots are ALWAYS cop outs. Period.
You're too lazy and cheap to work with what you got. It's unimaginative an uncreative. It's money grabbing.
Period.
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This right here makes alien3 an easy retcon in my eyes.
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This right here makes alien3 an easy retcon in my eyes.
Makes me facepalm every time.... ::)
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:50:50 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Retcons and reboots are ALWAYS cop outs. Period.
You're too lazy and cheap to work with what you got. It's unimaginative an uncreative. It's money grabbing.
Period.
Just because they will retcon Alien3 and Resurrection doesn't guarantee that Blomkamp's film will be better than the films it's disregarding. In my opinion, Alien3 is, overall, a better film than Prometheus....and the current plan for Blomkamp's Alien film is that will tie into the Prometheus sequel. I'm not too comfortable with that.
Ridley Scott wasn't entirely successful at executing his "big ideas" into his last sci-fi epic and I was glad when he admitted that it was a separate story that only shared the same universe as Alien. Now that seems to be changing. Blomkamp said he already imagined this film as a "genetic sequel" to Alien and Aliens. He may have to defend his vision for that film against the likes of Scott that is still looking for a way to make Prometheus more accepted. If that happens, I hope that Blomkamp has it in him to fight Scott in a more effective way than Fincher took on Fox. :-/
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
Just because they will retcon Alien3 and Resurrection doesn't guarantee that Blomkamp's film will be better than the films it's disregarding. In my opinion, Alien3 is, overall, a better film than Prometheus....and the current plan for Blomkamp's Alien film is that will tie into the Prometheus sequel. I'm not too comfortable with that.
Ridley Scott wasn't entirely successful at executing his "big ideas" into his last sci-fi epic and I was glad when he admitted that it was a separate story that only shared the same universe as Alien. Now that seems to be changing. Blomkamp said he already imagined this film as a "genetic sequel" to Alien and Aliens. He may have to defend his vision for that film against the likes of Scott that is still looking for a way to make Prometheus more accepted. If that happens, I hope that Blomkamp has it in him to fight Scott in a more effective way than Fincher took on Fox. :-/
FOX doesn't give a shit unless it's spelled $hit.
Blomkamp has the kind of cash-grabbing ideas that FOX likes, so I don't think their will be any fighting at all. Hicks, robots, Cannon fodder aliens and explosions = $$$
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:09:06 AM
It is neither succinct or on point.
Yes. It is. You just don't like it. ;) That's fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking the retcon, but what OZ said is exactly right.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
Retcon Aliens. Ripley got back to Earth 9 months after the Nostromo blew and 35 years later she's back in space and heading towards that unknown, unnamed planetoid.
I'd be very interested in seeing where that alternative could take things too. :)
Creative license could be an excuse for anything. It's not a justification PLOT wise. Which is what I asked for. You are maybe misunderstanding what I designed the thread for.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 01:02:20 PM
Why take a crazy, dumb explanation when you can forego that and have a potentially good film that stands on its own?
I suppose it depends on how you look at it.
Just, as an example, look at the sober and mature way Aliens handles Ripley being locked away for over half a century. It reads like it could be potentially outlandish. "Ripley got stuck in space for 57 years, and after returning to Earth she's paired up with spess mahrens to go back and fight HUNDREDS OF ALIEMS!" Ya know? It's all in the way that you execute your bullsh*t. :laugh:
Exactly and from a plot perspective I don't see the justification. We have cnaisters full of alien DNA mutating people in all kinds of ways, and Engineer gods orchestrating such things and the monsters themselves and all the above... And that's all CANON. If PROMETHEUS is canon - why can't A:R be canon?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:24 PM
Not really - Alien 3 didn't ruin opportunities, Resurrection did that itself with the line "for all intents and purposes, she succeeded". There was far more they could have done after 3 but it was the need to bring Sigourney back that took AR where it went.
And here is an actual answer I was looking for.
A:R proposes that Ripley suceeded. Maybe Prometheus or Prometheus 2, doesn't allow for that and therefore they will have boxed themselves in. Narratively, that would justify, at leats retconning A:R.
Still - I don't find anything in A:R to be out of step with the things in Prometheus. In fact, I still say PROMETHUES made A:R a better entry in the series. As well as ALIEN 3 because it made the subtext in A3 more apparent.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
Every film ever is money grabbing -- nothing makes 'retcons' any more guilty of doing that.
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Exactly and A5 without a retcon could potentially make just as much money.
So what we have here is fan wank and unless there is a good reason for the retcon it will play as a rehash instead of a proper entry. Doesn't anyone else see how cheap that makes the new terminator seem?
Not the story idea, but the obvious attempt to return to what the second film was?
Its done. Just make a new film. Not a film that tries to do what has alreayd been done. THIS IS WHAT MADE ALIENS SO GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE!
It changed and expanded. And its the one thing that all the Alien films did right.
QuoteIf PROMETHEUS is canon - why can't A:R be canon?
Because Prometheus is a film by Ridley Scott, and despite past mistakes, some people (maybe even FOX) still see him as a legend.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 26, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
$$$$$$$.
In no way a standard sequel would have had that as a reason, eh?
Yes,but imo recons are an even more desperate and cynical attempt at a cash-grab.Revisionism for the sake of keeping a series alive for financial rather than artistic gain.
In three points:
- Beloved characters
- Commercial appeal
- Accesibility
Deal with it. It's happening.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 26, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 26, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
$$$$$$$.
In no way a standard sequel would have had that as a reason, eh?
Yes,but imo recons are an even more desperate and cynical attempt at a cash-grab.Revisionism for the sake of keeping a series alive for financial rather than artistic gain.
This!
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 26, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
$$$$$$$.
In no way a standard sequel would have had that as a reason, eh?
This franchise has a particular dalliance with said concept, while touting the former "liberty" theme. While Blomkamp is definitely a fan of the first order, the reason this movie is being made probably has more to do with the latter, as well as opening further marketing potential down the line.
QuoteDeal with it.
And therein lies the rub; fans actually don't have to deal with anything they deem less than stellar, should they so choose.
Thank you kindly, and all that.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:04:30 PMQuote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
Every film ever is money grabbing -- nothing makes 'retcons' any more guilty of doing that.
Exactly and A5 without a retcon could potentially make just as much money.
Alien 5 without a retcon would end up being more like Terminator: Salvation. A blatant attempt to "advance" the franchise and becoming just a generic pointless movie again.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:04:30 PMSo what we have here is fan wank and unless there is a good reason for the retcon it will play as a rehash instead of a proper entry. Doesn't anyone else see how cheap that makes the new terminator seem?
The new Terminator looks bad because of entirely different reasons: Cheap production values, and the fact the other movies were just round stories, the continuity itself was looping, throwing down a new tangential timeline that breaks the loop just overcomplicates the thing. It also looks nothing like Terminator 2, it simply looks like a mess.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:04:30 PMIt changed and expanded. And its the one thing that all the Alien films did right.
Ripley becoming a superhero was not good expansion, it was silly and it was not loyal to the original movies spirit. Just wipe that away.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:19 PM
QuoteIf PROMETHEUS is canon - why can't A:R be canon?
Because Prometheus is a film by Ridley Scott, and despite past mistakes, some people (maybe even FOX) still see him as a legend.
So are the directors of the last two films.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
Just because they will retcon Alien3 and Resurrection doesn't guarantee that Blomkamp's film will be better than the films it's disregarding. In my opinion, Alien3 is, overall, a better film than Prometheus....and the current plan for Blomkamp's Alien film is that will tie into the Prometheus sequel. I'm not too comfortable with that.
Ridley Scott wasn't entirely successful at executing his "big ideas" into his last sci-fi epic and I was glad when he admitted that it was a separate story that only shared the same universe as Alien. Now that seems to be changing. Blomkamp said he already imagined this film as a "genetic sequel" to Alien and Aliens. He may have to defend his vision for that film against the likes of Scott that is still looking for a way to make Prometheus more accepted. If that happens, I hope that Blomkamp has it in him to fight Scott in a more effective way than Fincher took on Fox. :-/
^^^THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING PEOPLE ARE NEGLECTING TO REALIZE.
Those in favor of the retcon are ASSUMING this will produce a film that is AS GOOD AS ALIENS or at least ON PAR with ALIEN and ALIENS.
Lets think about this:
We have a good director. Neil Blomkamp.
Alien 3 had David Fincher and fantastic screenwriters. Like 15 of them.
A:R had Jean Piere Jeunet and Josh Whedon!!! Both fantastic directors/writer.
PROMETHEUS had Ridley Scott return and fans hate that film. Many of you are the ones in favor of this Retcon.
So - the mistake you are making is assuming that because Neil Blomkamp may want to ignore A3 and A:R that this will guarantee a better film than A3.
Not how it works. You just don't get a continuation of Aliens that simply makes a great film because they don't kill Hicks.
A3 is evidence as to why a retcon isn't a good idea. Because you can have the greatest people attached and still people will not like the soup they make.
But you want to take that risk, just to see Hicks?
Alien 5 as a retcon does not in any way guarantee a better film than A3. If you hate ALIEN3 and love Prometheus (unlikely in my experience) then maybe I can see why you think so...
For me I'd rate it like this:
Alien - 10
Aliens - 10
Alien 3 - 8
Prometheus - 7
A:R - 6.5
AVP - 4.5
AVP-R - 2.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
Ripley becoming a superhero was not good expansion, it was silly and it was not loyal to the original movies spirit. Just wipe that away.
I guess there was the Universe/film-scape expansion hinted at, and the change of genre. Still, if the character evolves along, why should it be silly?
Turning back to the beginning of the thread, new
Alien film director (and Sigourney, as well) insists he is all for giving the Ripley''s story a proper ending. May it be.
I feel I will start appreciating A^3 ans A:R, retconned as bad dreams (for example and more likely), more than I ever gave them credit before.
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 26, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
insists he is all for giving the Ripley''s story a proper ending.
She won in Alien 3 and Ripley 8 also won in A:R.
What other ending do you want?
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 26, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
insists he is all for giving the Ripley''s story a proper ending.
She won in Alien 3 and Ripley 8 also won in A:R.
What other ending do you want?
She was going through the motions most part of the time in 3rd and 4th films and somehow managed to win (quite questionable victory in A^3 though), whereas in 1st and 2nd film she always stroke me as a strong personality. I would love to see that in her again :-)
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 26, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
insists he is all for giving the Ripley''s story a proper ending.
She won in Alien 3 and Ripley 8 also won in A:R.
What other ending do you want?
Personally, I've actually never been satisfied with those endings because they don't effectively stop the human race from contacting the creatures again. See Prometheus.
Which is why Im starting to think his story idea may tie into the events in the PROMETHEUS films more so than we have considered. Maybe the retcon possibility isn't even Blomkamp's doing. Maybe it has something to do with other stuff? I dunno.
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:02:35 AM
She was going through the motions most part of the time in 3rd and 4th films and somehow managed to win (quite questionable victory in A^3 though), whereas in 1st and 2nd film she always stroke me as a strong personality. I would love to see that in her again :-)
Questionable victory in Alien 3? She killed the alien and stopped the company. Done.
A:R is about clones not the real deal, hence fleshy aliens with queen legs and a queen with a womb.
Ripley's personality is at her strongest in Alien 3. She has to deal with everything on her own right from the opening scene. The one person she connects to after she finds herself there is Clemens, who is killed as a reminder of the path she is on. She kicks a lot of butt in Alien 3 and held her own even when faced with a possible escape (aka Bishop's menacing promise of removing the embryo and helping her achieve a life she ought to of had).
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 27, 2015, 12:04:27 AM
Personally, I've actually never been satisfied with those endings because they don't effectively stop the human race from contacting the creatures again. See Prometheus.
Prometheus is set long before Alien 3. Not after.
But you're right in saying Ripley could potentially be destroying only a fraction of the aliens that might be out there. But her intentions are all the same.
Each movie follows a logical progression with Ripley's character arc. Alien - Alien Resurrection. Ripley gets closer to the alien. In part 4 she literally becomes the alien.
This reboot will destroy all that for cheap rehash of Aliens.
Assuming it rehashes Aliens, that is.
Bringing back characters =/= rehashing if it goes in a new direction with them.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Ripley's personality is at her strongest in Alien 3. She has to deal with everything on her own right from the opening scene...
The smarmy doctor was around here from the moment she came to. But it is not the point. The point is you and me just see it differently. If you don't mind may I stick to my opinion (as I did it since 1992), Okay? :)
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived? I'll give you a clue...
(https://confessionsofasomedaysomebody.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/tumblr_my0bloo53h1s2wio8o4_500.gif?w=720)
Plus she was that messed up after seeing a group of people she didn't get on with very well die. Now apply that to everyone in Aliens and Alien 3.
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
The smarmy doctor was around here from the moment she came to.
Could be put down to the fact he hadn't seen a woman for years. Not to mention he's the only doctor on the planet.
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
But it is not the point. The point is you and me just see it differently. If you don't mind may I stick to my opinion (as I did it since 1992), Okay? :)
Of course!
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:01:24 AM
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Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:06:18 AM
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Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
But getting your hands on them is another matter. Ripley's victory denied WY the opportunity to easily catch one and, as far as we know, that failure might have helped to lead to the Company's bankruptcy.
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Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
But getting your hands on them is another matter. Ripley's victory denied WY the opportunity to easily catch one and, as far as we know, that failure might have helped to lead to the Company's bankruptcy.
I don't think so, she comitted suicide out of depression because of the death of her friends, that level of shittyness for life is basically what the movie could handle.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:17:48 AM
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Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
But getting your hands on them is another matter. Ripley's victory denied WY the opportunity to easily catch one and, as far as we know, that failure might have helped to lead to the Company's bankruptcy.
I don't think so, she comitted suicide out of depression because of the death of her friends, that level of shittyness for life is basically what the movie could handle.
Or both combined?
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:17:48 AM
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Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
But getting your hands on them is another matter. Ripley's victory denied WY the opportunity to easily catch one and, as far as we know, that failure might have helped to lead to the Company's bankruptcy.
I don't think so, she comitted suicide out of depression because of the death of her friends, that level of shittyness for life is basically what the movie could handle.
Where did you get that from the movie? She clearly only became suicidal once she knew that she had an alien inside her, and it was very clear that she was doing it to stop the Company from getting its hands on it.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:22:52 AMWhere did you get that from the movie? She clearly only became suicidal once she knew that she had an alien inside her, and it was very clear that she was doing it to stop the Company from getting its hands on it.
Which is stupid because it's obvious there are many more xenos out there in the universe. If Hicks and Newt would have been alive by that moment, she would have something to live for. Basically everything of the movie was pointless on their purpose on putting her to the edge of suicide.
By the way, pretty much most of the audience reaction :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtcXcHnAYQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtcXcHnAYQ#ws)
And pretty much my opinion.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:12 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:22:52 AMWhere did you get that from the movie? She clearly only became suicidal once she knew that she had an alien inside her, and it was very clear that she was doing it to stop the Company from getting its hands on it.
Which is stupid because it's obvious there are many more xenos out there in the universe. If Hicks and Newt would have been alive by that moment, she would have something to live for.
For a few hours, before the alien queen ripped through her chest and killed her. As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
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Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 27, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Questionable victory in Alien 3?
She died.
...and saved the human race from the horrors of the alien. What do you think she would have gone back to if she had stopped the company killed the alien and lived?
It's stupid to think the xenos were completely wiped out from universe. Ripley's sacrifice meant nothing, more likely. There are other xenos out there.
But getting your hands on them is another matter. Ripley's victory denied WY the opportunity to easily catch one and, as far as we know, that failure might have helped to lead to the Company's bankruptcy.
I don't think so, she comitted suicide out of depression because of the death of her friends, that level of shittyness for life is basically what the movie could handle.
Where did you get that from the movie? She clearly only became suicidal once she knew that she had an alien inside her, and it was very clear that she was doing it to stop the Company from getting its hands on it.
Hey, A3 isn't the ALIENS 2 he wanted, and therefore everything about A3 is bad and not to his Colonial Marines standards...
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:32:11 AMFor a few hours, before the alien queen ripped through her chest and killed her. As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
The WY could have taken good care of her. After all, Medi machines from a couple centuries back in time could save Shaw from her chest bursting, and technology is even better by those years.
In fact, she made a disservice to Humanity, provided the WY had caught a xenomorph specimen, they could have found better ways to deal with that evil species, there are more than surely many more xenos out there in space and they should have started studying in order to be prepared for further infestations.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:32:11 AM
As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
They will if there's ever an anime adaptation of Alien.
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Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:32:11 AM
As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
They will if there's ever an anime adaptation of Alien.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F910cf2f5610f060edc3cfb2db1a5f1fb%2Ftumblr_mhxavkC8bL1rz8ghmo1_500.jpg&hash=98c1a47ddb017f81542da41501870b09809e5dbc)
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:32:11 AMFor a few hours, before the alien queen ripped through her chest and killed her. As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
The WY could have taken good care of her. After all, Medi machines from a couple centuries back in time could save Shaw from her chest bursting, and technology is even better by those years.
By they time they arrived it was too late; it would have burst out of her before they reached the ship.
QuoteIn fact, she made a disservice to Humanity, provided the WY had caught a xenomorph specimen, they could have found better ways to deal with that evil species, there are more than surely many more xenos out there in space and they should have started studying in order to be prepared for further infestations.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette4.wikia.nocookie.net%2Falienanthology%2Fimages%2F5%2F5d%2FMother_computer-alien.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20120128173354&hash=db9752e737e823695afaadd2aa65c292787da4ef)
The Company wanted an alien so that they could make money, and damn the consequences. Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen. This was not a company that valued ethics. Had the queen been brought back to Earth, it would have eventually escaped and we probably would have seen a scenario similar to what happened in the Outbreak comic. Maybe the studies could have come up with ways to combat them, but it's like infecting yourself with a live AIDS virus to test an experimental cure on yourself. One mistake and you're screwed.
Let me check. Nope. Still don't like Alien 3 ::)
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:48:08 AM
Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen
Er, no... They weren't. The fall of LV-426 rests firmly in the bloody hands of Burke.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:02 AM
Let me check. Nope. Still don't like Alien 3 ::)
Your loss.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:48 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:48:08 AM
Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen
Er, no... They weren't. The fall of LV-426 rests firmly in the bloody hands of Burke.
Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors. While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him. He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:05 AM
Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors. While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him. He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.
There is nothing that indicates anything but Burke acting on his own in Aliens.
Nothing. There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the film that indicates WY purposely infected the colonists. Which is a blatantly stupid idea. If they had any idea of an Alien life form at the time still being on LV-426, they would have sent a special team to capture it.
It's not necessarily evidence of a co-conspirator, but Burke did manage to persuade someone else within the company to authorize Ripley's reinstatement if she accompanied him on the mission to LV-426.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:59 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:05 AM
Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors. While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him. He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.
There is nothing that indicates anything but Burke acting on his own in Aliens. Nothing. There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the film that indicates WY purposely infected the colonists. Which is a blatantly stupid idea. If they had any idea of an Alien life form at the time still being on LV-426, they would have sent a special team to capture it.
A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret. Indeed, why not send a team 57 years earlier? There is nothing that points to the Company directly ordering the destruction of the colony, but the fact that the caseworker assigned to Ripley also just happened to be the kind of person who would do such a thing hints at more than a coincidence. Everybody agrees that Burke's nice guy act was just a charade, but the fact that he had the authority to order colony officials to check out a part of the planet with no questions asked is a major clue that he was more than just some greedy low rung pencil pusher. The fact that he was willing to take Ripley's story on face value even though there was no evidence to support it (unless the evidence was hidden, which again points to a larger conspiracy) points to either the fact that Ripley had the extreme bad luck to be saddled with an utterly amoral, greedy sociopath (which he probably was) who orchestrated the destruction of a colony all on his own on the basis of a woman whom the authorities thought was a little disturbed, or that he was part of a larger corporate culture that encouraged this kind of behavior. WY would not have just forgotten about the xenomorphs after Alien and probably had some top secret orders in place to be executed if they were every discovered again, orders that Burke carried out.
All I want is an Alien film that will be watchable and understandable for fans. After A:R until now (including AVP and AVP2) "all we got is shit." (To quote Morse).
Please stop bad mouthing Alien3 too, there are PLENTY of threads on here to do so if you don't like it. As for myself, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is my favorite movie of the series (and possibly of all sci-fi). As Alien3 (the member) put it: "It is like a rising Phoenix from the ruins of ashes."
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.
Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.
I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.
Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.
I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.
There may have been mining facilities planned as the planet looks like it's covered in heavy metals. That being said, you might have a point, and they might have figured that the revenue generated from xeno-based bioweapons might have offset the loss of the colony.
It's a risk but nothing new for them.
Space is a big place to get lost in.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.
Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.
I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.
That's what River of Pain puts across. They know something is there, but they don't know what. So they co-finance the colony and put some research staff on there in case.
Wow and here I thought Burk was just a master manipulator. I mean replacing the marines lieutenant with that green horn Gorman. However if it takes decades to build and condition the planet, that could help explain away the 57 year wait. I think Burk just got tired of waiting.
...Ignoring large chunks of the plot from Aliens.
Burke is the one who sent them the coordinates for the ship. He did it for himself because he wanted exclusive rights. Remember guys, when he's trying to defend himself from Ripley, he's not talking about rival corporations. He's talking about exclusive rights for himself. A big piece of the pie. As far as the company is concerned, whatever happened with the Nostromo was probably written off as a loss and the events leading up to it's loss buried by whoever at the time was interested.
Everybody knows he did it. :P However corporate may have had other plans that Burke had absolutely no clue about.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
Everybody knows he did it. :P However corporate may have had other plans that Burke had absolutely no clue about.
Again, there's nothing in the movie that indicates that. Only years of fan fiction that misses the mark with the intent of the film. Just as all of that fan fiction seems to miss the point that the aliens aren't "dumb bugs."
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:21:06 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
Everybody knows he did it. :P However corporate may have had other plans that Burke had absolutely no clue about.
Again, there's nothing in the movie that indicates that. Only years of fan fiction that misses the mark with the intent of the film. Just as all of that fan fiction seems to miss the point that the aliens aren't "dumb bugs."
Correct.