So watched Aliens at the cinema tonight and I've seen it hundreds of times on VHS,DVD Blu-ray ect in the past. But tonight it popped in to my head and got me thinking? Why would Ripley put Newt in another room so Newt can rest. I know it happens to get the plot moving with the Facehuggers ect. But seriously would u put a tired child in another room why Aliens are trying to get you. Yes I know the was a camera on the wall watching, and yes Ripley and the marines were only in the next room. But she weren't in eyes sight. The only way the could keep an eye on Newt was to watch Newt on the monitor. But if this was real life I bet the marines would put a makeshift bed in the same room as them for Newt. As I said I know it's there to have the facehugger sequence, but it somehow bugged me tonight that Ripley and the rest would put Newt in another room on her own. You can argue that the marines secured the perimeter, but I still feel that if I was there, or if that was my child I would of had Newt in the same room as me. Also I can see the marines doing something like this but Ripley in real life would of had Newt no more then a few feet away.
Hard to sleep with panicky adults running around planning stuff around you.
I thought about this Sil. But I've got a child myself, and one thing I know is kids can sleep through anything. Also when Hicks shows Ripley how to use the pulse rifle, he says to Ripley it must of been around 24hours since Ripley last slept. So why Newt may of not been awake for that long, she has defo been awake long enough to be exhausted. Also I would rather have Newt at arms distance and in the same room as Ripley and the marines and have her struggle to sleep then have her isolated in another room like in the film. Like I said I know it's to get the plot moving but I don't think Ripley in real life would let Newt be out of her sight.
Medical is also the fall-back point. It's the most secure location they have.
I mean you can disagree with her doing it but it's not like it was completely nonsensical.
I remember watching Aliens for the very first time (all those decades ago) and thinking how risky that was. But it was only a momentary thought because I had faith the storyteller wouldn't steer me wrong. I knew Ripley was a smart woman who wouldn't risk Newt's life, so if Ripley knows the room is 100% safe against attack, then I can be sure the room really is 100% safe. There's a kind of pact that most stories abide by; the director is saying to the audience, "I'm making it clear that a particular situation exists, so for the sake of the storytelling, just accept that it is so and I won't betray your trust." This way, the film doesn't have to waste time on expository scene after expository scene explaining every last little.detail.
It's the same in Predator when Dutch and the team are preparing the mantraps for the predator. How come they aren't worried the predator isn't watching them while they work, about to launch an attack while they are so preoccupied and vulnerable? As an audience, the reason we aren't worried is because they aren't worried.
Which is why the Covenant landing crew not wearing protective EVA suits is so egregious. In that moment the director is telling us, in this story there is no threat from micro-pathogens harming humans when they visit strange planets. That's the storytelling pact. But then a few scenes later he goes back on his word, and that is an intellectual insult that has been niggling at fans ever since.
TC
I don't think I'd go that far. Situations change, and luring the audience into a false sense of security is par for the course in horror and thriller. It's one of the ways to create, shock, surprise, suspense.
The Nostromo crew act like everything's fine at the dinner table until Kane starts convulsing and his chest explodes. It wouldn't have quite the impact if the characters were on-edge the entire scene leading up to it.
I also have distinct memories of watching the Alien meal-time scene for the first time, and to my eternal regret, I spoiled it for myself by having advance knowledge of what was going to happen. (Aside: How many people here really saw it for the first time without any prior knowledge whatsoever?)
Anyway, I'm going to suggest that that case is different because the audience has an inkling that something isn't quite right with Kane, even if he seems to be fine. And when he pops, the logic for it immediately clicks into place. IOW, you can deceive an audience with misdirection (without incurring their wrath), as long as you plant a foreshadowing, or some sort of advance set up or clue (that at the time, they hopefully won't identify as such) that gets paid off at the surprise reveal. That way the surprise makes sense.
For example, Aliens takes a right hand turn in the 3rd act by presenting us with a boss enemy in the form of the Queen, much smarter and more formidable than the previously encountered drones. Which is a surprise, but foreshadowed by earlier conversation speculating of something's existence, and therefore slots right into the story's logic. If that conversation hadn't been there, I don't think the Queen reveal would have worked as well.
TC
Can somebody here explain to me why you need to foreshadow things in movies ? Not joking, just curious
Quote from: TC on Jul 16, 2020, 10:07:48 AM
Anyway, I'm going to suggest that that case is different because the audience has an inkling that something isn't quite right with Kane,
We have have an inkling there's something wrong with the planet on account of the human transmission of unknown origin in
Covenant. Them not having space suits doesn't tell the audience "There are no pathogens in this film", tells the audience "these characters have been lead to believe it's safe".
And then it's not.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2020, 10:34:54 AM
Can somebody here explain to me why you need to foreshadow things in movies ? Not joking, just curious
It's heavily contextual, but the short version is "so it doesn't feel like you're pulling information out of your arse at the last second". It helps build suspense, expectation, etc.
Thanks ;)
If I remember rightly from reading the novel the description of the area where newt was going to sleep was meant to be the safest area in the complex and a place they would fall back to if they got overrun.
If a xeno broke in, there would have been gunfire. Chaos. Newt might have been caught by a stray bullet. Better to keep her in a separate and secure room.
It does make more sense that Newt was put in a area were it was seen to be the safest. But the room that Newt was in was soundproof and the security tv monitor either had no audio or it was turned down so the wouldn't hear Newts calls for help if she was in danger unless someone was constantly watching the monitor. However that last part with the sound, would only be a problem if the door was closed (doesn't have to be locked) when Ripley left Newt to rejoin the marines.
Why I was typing this it came to mind, that the marines had motion detectors, so ya the could probably use them to track any movement coming toward Newt. Makes sense right? but why didn't the motion trackers pick up the 2 Facehuggers moving around on the floor after Burke released them? Only 3 reasons I can think off was
1. The facehuggers weren't moving around much to set of a nearby motion tracker. However the motion tracker manages to pick up the hamsters in the cage so the motion trackers are capable of picking up small creatures.
2. The room was out of range.
3. Why Ripley and Newt slept the were motionless and the marines just assumed the two other movements in that room were Ripley and Newt.
Anyhow even if Ripley and the Marines were 100% sure Newt was in a safe area. The plan was doomed to fail from the start, since a lone alien could of easily used the loft insulation to get to her why she slept. That's if it could avoid triggering the marines motion trackers.
It would of made more sense, if one of the marines were on guard outside the room why Newt slept but obviously this was never going to happen because Cameron needed to have the Burke/facehugger plot scene in the movie.
Like I said people, I know it's done for plot reasons ect. And I still love this movie and wouldn't change a thing. But thought it would make an interesting topic.
QuoteWhy I was typing this it came to mind, that the marines had motion detectors, so ya the could probably use them to track any movement coming toward Newt. Makes sense right? but why didn't the motion trackers pick up the 2 Facehuggers moving around on the floor after Burke released them?
Hudson and Vasquez had the trackers patrolling the perimeter. Out of range.
QuoteThe plan was doomed to fail from the start, since a lone alien could of easily used the loft insulation to get to her why she slept.
"We didn't miss anything."
QuoteIt would of made more sense, if one of the marines were on guard outside the room why Newt slept but obviously this was never going to happen because Cameron needed to have the Burke/facehugger plot scene in the movie.
What are they guarding against? Burke? As has been pointed out - it was believed to be the most secure spot. Being an operating theatre it may not even be connected to the rest of the colonies airduct network to protect against contagion, making it more difficult for anything to get in.
QuoteBut then a few scenes later he goes back on his word, and that is an intellectual insult that has been niggling at fans ever since.
Sounds a bit hyperbolic. It's not like the Covenant crew investigated an SOS, searched around a creepy alien ship, found a dead body and then stuck their face in an Alien egg.
@SM
Even if the room Newt was in was like Fort Knoxs, I still think it was a bad idea to put a child in another room on her own out of sight, with only a camera with no sound watching her. That's why I said it would make more sense having one of the marines keep an eye on her incase something happened. Also Ripley, early in the film had a bad time with trusting Bishop because him being an Android. But she's fine with Newt resting in a room with a facehuggers inside a glass Jars just outside the room? And they is at least 1 facehugger in a jar that looks alive right outside the window when Ripley goes to rest with Newt, it's on Ripley's right just behind the glass window at around the 1:23:09 mark if you watch the aliens special edition. Why the facehugger ain't moving it looks alive because it's not curled up into a ball like a dead spider would be. I'm assuming it's one of the facehuggers burke releases. One more thing and I'm sure this is just due to editing to keep the facehugger attack on Ripley flowing nicely for the audience. It Takes around 42seconds for when Hicks hears the fire alarm sprinklers go off to get to were Newt and Ripley are. Hicks was at least moving a jogging pace and not casually walking so the marines were pretty far away from newt and Ripley when the were getting attacked by the Facehuggers. If Ripley never went to rest with Newt she would of been at some points some distance from Newt. As I said that's just probably a editing time issue just like how most films with a 1-minute countdown timer seem to go on much longer on film.
SM or any other forum members. Do u know of any maps/diagrams of the colony complex layout were the marines were and the room Newt was sleeping in? The film obviously makes it hard to memorize the layout of the rooms and the events. But it would be nice to see a map or something, of the colony complex at were the marines were at certain points in the film.
Medical is right next to Operations, connected by a corridor. It's where they retreat during the firefight.
They couldn't spare any marines to babysit Newt. As was pointed out, if shit went down, Newt would be the most protected from both Aliens and stray bullets. Keeping her right on the front line would be more irresponsible.
There are lots and lots of reasons for Ripley to put Newt where she did. There are lots of reasons she could've not done that, too. Both had pros and cons.
In the same complex where an entire colony of people hiding behind barricades were already overrun, yes, it was a bad idea. As the movie eventually showed, xenomorphs are not restricted to using specific hallways and means of entry. They can be in the ceiling, underwater, under the floor, in the air vents, etc.
If something unexpected happened, Newt could've been taken, killed or they would at least need to go retrieve the child before they could evacuate. That would cost valuable time, and possibly get people killed unnecessarily.
Like I said, I know it's a film so everything can't be perfect and characters are going to do things that some people will Nitpick. Also I'm looking through the situation with my own eyes, like what if that was my daughter or some child I had to protect ect. I defo wouldn't have her out of my sight or at least have another human watching when I couldn't be there. What about Gorman he just recovered from his head injury around then and was no more in charge. He could of been a good candidate to watch over Newt why he also recovers.
But I still find it hard that Ripley was ok with the facehuggers in the Jars being right outside the room. Especially when two are alive. And her past experience with Kane and the Acid inside them.
Anyhow still would like to see some fanmade or official blueprints of the complex to get my aliens movie slava flowing. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 17, 2020, 02:07:49 AMIn the same complex where an entire colony of people hiding behind barricades were already overrun, yes, it was a bad idea. As the movie eventually showed, xenomorphs are not restricted to using specific hallways and means of entry. They can be in the ceiling, underwater, under the floor, in the air vents, etc.
Is there any evidence that the colonists barricaded themselves in? The marines didn't have any problem accessing the complex when they arrived.
Ripley specifically asked Hudson for blueprints that showed "every possible way into this complex" so they could seal them. They missed one, of course, but it wasn't for lack of trying. It was also after the aliens had just thrown themselves at the sentry guns and were mowed down until they retreated in defeat.
So, at least for a while, they had the illusion of security.
They walk through the barricades when entering the complex and mention restoring them.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 17, 2020, 02:07:49 AM
If something unexpected happened, Newt could've been taken, killed or they would at least need to go retrieve the child before they could evacuate. That would cost valuable time, and possibly get people killed unnecessarily.
Medical was their way out. They would've been picking her up on the way.
So use Medical as a way to exit if the shit hits the fan. Ya that's understandable.. But still leaving a child some distance from them with 2 living facehuggers right in the next room and God knows what's lurking about behind the walls. It's like the McCann's leaving Madeleine McCann in a room they thought was safe why checking in on her every 20minutes why them and their friends had dinner. And what do you know she went missing.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2020, 02:37:39 AM
They walk through the barricades when entering the complex and mention restoring them.
Now I remember: Drake reported to Gorman that they barricaded the whole south wing of the building, but it didn't hold. I wonder why the marines thought they'd have any better luck with the same materials.
If it weren't for the sentry guns the aliens would have just battered their way in like they did before. No need to sneak in through the floor and ceiling ducts.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 02:59:39 AM
So use Medical as a way to exit if the shit hits the fan. Ya that's understandable.. But still leaving a child some distance from them with 2 living facehuggers right in the next room and God knows what's lurking about behind the walls.
OK, you clearly think it's a bad idea. I'm really not sure what conversation there is to be had? People have given reasons why Ripley would do it and it just comes back to "But I still think it's a bad idea."
Like ... where's the actual discussion here? ???
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 03:05:50 AM
Now I remember: Drake reported to Gorman that they barricaded the whole south wing of the building, but it didn't hold. I wonder why the marines thought they'd have any better luck with the same materials.
If it weren't for the sentry guns the aliens would have just battered their way in like they did before. No need to sneak in through the floor and ceiling ducts.
They might not have had much time. The marines could build off what the colonists did rather than starting from scratch. The marines were also wielding steel plates over ducts that the colonists hadn't secured, so presumably the colonists hadn't been overly thorough in their defenses.
Wasn't Burke taken in Medical?
Yes. The Aliens had started to get around behind them by that point.
You could say "So see? It wasn't that safe!" but 1) That's easy to say in hindsight and 2) Hudson got grabbed in Operations so good luck arguing it was the safer option.
Interestingly the marines don't seem to feel the need to seal off the vent in the junction between Operations and Medical they use to escape, which the Aliens clearly end up using. Guess it depends on where the access points to that vent are.
QuoteLike ... where's the actual discussion here? ???
Ya, people have giving good reasons and some are understandable and make sense, but I'm not gunna except what the say if I don't agree. you might as well say the same thing for some of the other Threads in this forum if the is nothing to discuss? I mean that's what forums are ain't they? Dicussions on subject matters that will either have people agreeing or disagreeing? As for why I made this Thread? it was mostly to do with Ripley/Marines making the decision to isolate Newt in a room on her own, and to me its a rather risky decision ect. Some of us would not leave Newt on her own like that. But don't get me wrong I never had a problem with this decision in the past, it's only years later when viewing this film as a parent myself that it suddenly started to bug me. If you disagree or agree on Ripley's/Marines decision then that's your decision and I respect that. I'm sure this thread will be forgotten about within a week or 2 but no one is forcing anyone to participate in this thread if he/she don't agree or thinks the is no discussion to be had?
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 04:40:01 AM
Ya, people have giving good reasons and some are understandable and make sense, but I'm not gunna except what the say if I don't agree.
If you agree they're understandable and make sense, then what are you actually arguing against?
I mean sure, you wouldn't do it -- but you wouldn't do a lot of things characters in movies do. If you agree that there are understandable, sensible reasons the characters did what they did, what does it matter if you personally agree with the actions? Are we discussing the characters, or are we trying to convince you of what you would do?
You keep saying it just happened "so the film could happen", people give "good reasons" why that's not the case ... but then you just keep saying it's "so the film could happen". I'm lost as to what you actually want out of this conversation.
For everyone to say 'Yes you're correct. Cameron f**ked up'..? Maybe.
QuoteSM or any other forum members. Do u know of any maps/diagrams of the colony complex layout were the marines were and the room Newt was sleeping in? The film obviously makes it hard to memorize the layout of the rooms and the events. But it would be nice to see a map or something, of the colony complex at were the marines were at certain points in the film.
It's not hard to memorise. We see characters going from ops to medical and back throughout the film. Plus there's construction blueprints for the set online which Graham used for the book. Very detailed.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2020, 03:49:57 AMThe marines were also wielding steel plates over ducts that the colonists hadn't secured, so presumably the colonists hadn't been overly thorough in their defenses.
That could be where Ripley's prior experience on the Nostromo paid off since it may have never occurred to the colonists that the aliens would use the ducts to move around.
Quote from: SM on Jul 17, 2020, 05:21:58 AM
For everyone to say 'Yes you're correct. Cameron f**ked up'..? Maybe.
Therefore Alien 3 is superior?
First I apologise if my reasons don't come across clearly I'm pretty shit at typing and my grammar sucks lol.
So I'm only acknowledging that I know it's a movie plot in the Aliens movie universe. Like foreshadowing what's to come ect to the viewer who's watching Aliens. This is also to weed out any members who may post stuff about, if Newt/Ripley weren't on their own we would not get the Facehugger Attack later in the film ect... So I'm basically agreeing with members theories to why Newt was sleeping on her own to make the facehugger attack plausible for the film.
But in real life, I think it's a stupid idea leaving Newt on her own. So yes I'm talking about real life in this thread here. So basically real life Vs movies, it's never gunna be perfect... Also just think of all them post in the past on members arguing against films like Prometheus... Like them stupid Astronauts taking off their helmets to breathe the air or trying to pet a space snake, or running in a straight line why a massive juggernaut ship is rolling towards you. It's basically bad writing? Are them people wasting they time posting because the are arguing against something they don't agree with? Does that make their post and conversation irrelevant because the would do something different if it was them in that situation? So ya Sil im talking about what I would do in that situation and not the movie plot we got.
Oh SM I will check that out with the blueprints cheers.
When people talk about stupid characters in Prometheus, a lot of it is taken directly from the characters contradicting themselves. Milburne runs away from a dead alien and sticks his hands into the face of a live, hissing alien. Fifield has the maps and leads the way until the second he doesn't.
Ripley puts Newt in a room she thinks is safe away from the front lines so she can get some rest while the rest of them keep working. That's not out of character. We never see her establishing some "everyone have eyes on everyone at all times" rule or something.
She survived on her own for weeks after all.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2020, 06:41:48 AM
When people talk about stupid characters in Prometheus, a lot of it is taken directly from the characters contradicting themselves. Milburne runs away from a dead alien and sticks his hands into the face of a live, hissing alien. Fifield has the maps and leads the way until the second he doesn't.
Not that I'm saying you're wrong but I always interpreted it as it was
Fifield who freaked out and Milbourne followed because of his strange desire to gain his friendship which was set up in breakfast scene back on the ship ("I'm not here to be your friend. I'm here to make money."). I mean, it's Fifield who was yelling in Shaw's face and Milbourne seemed much more calm in that moment
Nah he shat himself when they found a pile of dead aliens too.
Well, it's how I always seen it
Thanks, CANON
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2020, 06:41:48 AM
When people talk about stupid characters in Prometheus, a lot of it is taken directly from the characters contradicting themselves. Milburne runs away from a dead alien and sticks his hands into the face of a live, hissing alien. Fifield has the maps and leads the way until the second he doesn't.
Ripley puts Newt in a room she thinks is safe away from the front lines so she can get some rest while the rest of them keep working. That's not out of character. We never see her establishing some "everyone have eyes on everyone at all times" rule or something.
The writing in Prometheus is way more stupid then Ripley's choice to isolated Newt in Aliens, I agree on that one. But still the crap writing in Prometheus makes for good conversation on these forums right? Aliens is a miles better structured story, but still Ripley's choice to keep Newt out of sight is questionable in my book, and is also worthy of discussion even if you disagree that the is no conversation to be had. I will Agree to disagree with ya Sil.
@SM
God dam luck she survived. I supposed as time went by the Aliens were all hibernating making her chance of survival higher. But the early days of the outbreak, would of been tough for a 9 year old girl. I'm still hoping for the day, we get to see this in video game or on film of the events on Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 04:55:10 PM
I'm still hoping for the day, we get to see this in video game or on film of the events on Hadley's Hope.
Seconded, River of Pain was good attempt but didn't quite get there
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 04:55:10 PMI supposed as time went by the Aliens were all hibernating making her chance of survival higher.
I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. The aliens may have sent out scouts from time to time, but they weren't exactly swarming the colony when the marines arrived and didn't even attack until one of their newborns was torched inside the nest.
Still, there was at least one alien lurking around the dropship (which was a considerable distance from the AP). We also don't know how long the "k-kill me" lady was cocooned before she popped. She may have been holed up like Newt for weeks and captured shortly before the Sulaco arrived.
@Kradan
I never really read the comics but might have to look in to them at some point.
@Local Trouble
You know it never occurred to me that the Alien lurking around the Dropship might of been already awake or roaming about before the Marines came. But saying that the can run pretty fast especially in the later films so travelling some distance is plausible. As for the lady in the hive. I've always liked to think of her as a survivor that almost out smarted the Aliens but got captured at the last minute. If the ever do a Hadley's Hope story, she has to have a good story arc. Maybe that Alien near the drop ship was a lone scout that was responsible for the kill me lady getting captured.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 05:45:51 PMYou know it never occurred to me that the Alien lurking around the Dropship might of been already awake or roaming about before the Marines came.
They're fast, but I can't imagine one of the aliens waking up in the nest in the middle of a battle and making a beeline to the dropship instead of attacking the marines though.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 17, 2020, 05:45:51 PM
@Kradan
I never really read the comics but might have to look in to them at some point.
It's a book
So it's a book then. my knowledge of the extended alien universe other then the movies and some of the games is limited.
It's never late to improve ! I've myself really got into A/P/AvP comics only a little more than a year ago and didn't regret that in slightest
I did read years ago one of the first Aliens comic by dark horse. The one with the awsome art covers. one of the Aliens has 13 on its head on the front cover. Oh and I did read the Alien 3 comic and one of the books about royal jelly being a super drug. I defo need to get back in to the EU side of the universe sometime in the near future. They just is never enough hours in the day as you get older. :(
Quote@SM
God dam luck she survived. I supposed as time went by the Aliens were all hibernating making her chance of survival higher. But the early days of the outbreak, would of been tough for a 9 year old girl. I'm still hoping for the day, we get to see this in video game or on film of the events on Hadley's Hope.
It wasn't luck and they weren't hibernating. She could fit places the Aliens couldn't and she used it to stay alive. And the Aliens were active up to at least a couple of days before the marines arrived.
Quote from: SM on Jul 17, 2020, 11:07:38 PM
It wasn't luck and they weren't hibernating.
Unless I don't understand what "hibernating" means, these Xenos seemed pretty "hibernating" to me till Marines started frying their babies
The baby came from a woman recently snatched by a snatcher.
Yeah, some were definitely chilling, but not all of them.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 17, 2020, 11:52:58 PM
The baby came from a woman recently snatched by a snatcher.
That's true. Maybe some of Xenos were still picking the last survivors. I mean, they've already entered The Hive and made some noise but Xenos haven't reacted until Marined fried that one chestburster. We see shots of them "waking up" too
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2020, 11:58:10 PM
Yeah, some were definitely chilling, but not all of them.
This, basically
Quote from: SM on Jul 17, 2020, 11:07:38 PM
Quote@SM
God dam luck she survived. I supposed as time went by the Aliens were all hibernating making her chance of survival higher. But the early days of the outbreak, would of been tough for a 9 year old girl. I'm still hoping for the day, we get to see this in video game or on film of the events on Hadley's Hope.
It wasn't luck and they weren't hibernating. She could fit places the Aliens couldn't and she used it to stay alive. And the Aliens were active up to at least a couple of days before the marines arrived.
I understand why she got the name Newt, cos newts can get in to allsorts of small spaces. But what about roaming Facehuggers? That's if ur ok with facehugger roaming around from outside the nest? I still think luck was a big contribution on to how Newt survived, especially in the early days of the outbreak. I mean even in Aliens the vents are pretty big for a xenomorph to crawl into. Also were newt was living even Ripley managed to follow her inside so I can imagine a fully grown xeno could get inside there as well. But ya, Newt chances of survival would of been greater then the average person because of her size but I still think luck was a major contribution as well.
Her brother says she fits places even other kids can't fit.
She's obviously used the vents to escape the Aliens at some point in the past. But she never stayed inside them all the time. she was roaming about the complex when the Marines arrived, so I bet she's done that several times in the past risking her own life. Like, you only have to see the amount of resources she has in her makeshift home to see that's she's been hording. So I bet she was still taking a chance when leaving the vents to collect vital resources. Obviously by the time the Marines arrived the xeno activity was low since most/all were hibernating. But still, you can't say it was pure skill and intelligence why she survived for so long. It's obviously a mixture of a lot of things, like her being good at hiding in the vents and also pure luck that a xeno ain't clocked her.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 18, 2020, 12:38:42 AM
But what about roaming Facehuggers?
I don't think facehuggers were freely roaming around the colony. Xenos caught colonists, brought them to Hive and glued them to walls so little bastards can attach themselves to their faces. IIRC, in movies egg opens and facehugger jumps out only when its victim is nearby
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 18, 2020, 01:51:57 AM
She's obviously used the vents to escape the Aliens at some point in the past. But she never stayed inside them all the time. she was roaming about the complex when the Marines arrived, so I bet she's done that several times in the past risking her own life. Like, you only have to see the amount of resources she has in her makeshift home to see that's she's been hording. So I bet she was still taking a chance when leaving the vents to collect vital resources. Obviously by the time the Marines arrived the xeno activity was low since most/all were hibernating. But still, you can't say it was pure skill and intelligence why she survived for so long. It's obviously a mixture of a lot of things, like her being good at hiding in the vents and also pure luck that a xeno ain't clocked her.
If it was "pure luck" then it's not "a mixture of a lot of things".
@Kradan
I did say "that's if your ok with facehuggers roaming freely" But still, it's plausible for a facehugger to fit in to tight spaces just like Newt.
@SM
"pure" as in 100% maybe it was the wrong word to use. But the got to be some luck involved on her survival it can't all be 100% vent skill.
There is some luck involved on our survival everytime we drive on the road.
However the film makes a point to provide a plausible reason for her survival beyond just luck. Of course she was lucky to survive, but she probably wouldn't have if she couldn't fit into small spaces and hadn't already been familiar with the air ducts.
I'm not arguing that the Vents never helped her survive, it was defo a part of her survival. But as I said before, she will be taking some risk when leaving the Vents to roam about for supplies to horde. Even in the later days when the Aliens were hibernating the could still be 1 or 2 xenos scouting about the complex.
I like the idea of roaming facehuggers, it's a scary concept. But that would have made it very difficult for anything to last for long imo.
I think the film series mostly shows that facehuggers only spawn when near someone. The EU is all about roaming facehuggers though :laugh:
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
I like the idea of roaming facehuggers, it's a scary concept. But that would have made it very difficult for anything to last for long imo.
I think the film series mostly shows that facehuggers only spawn when near someone. The EU is all about roaming facehuggers though :laugh:
AvP 2 ?
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
I like the idea of roaming facehuggers, it's a scary concept. But that would have made it very difficult for anything to last for long imo.
I think the film series mostly shows that facehuggers only spawn when near someone. The EU is all about roaming facehuggers though :laugh:
AvP 2 ?
Well lot's of the DH comics have shown roaming facehuggers. Off the top of my head there is Berserker and Defiance, both done to great effect.
I can't think about anything but first Alien mission in AVP 2 lol
Would be easier to bring an egg to an area where difficult prey has been spotted, and release it into the duct system. As opposed to having facehuggers on patrol. I don't believe they last forever once outside the egg.
Honorable mention to that xeno in Twohys Alien 3 script that could manipulate its bone structure to fit all sorts of places. She'd have been up the creek there.
I don't think Twohy invented it. Just look at the size of the hole in Kane's helmet in comparison to the facehugger's body.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEevtEXk.jpg&hash=eed3a2e7d6929d56a3695d699f2ea2461d38a096)
Huh
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2020, 08:07:40 PM
I don't think Twohy invented it. Just look at the size of the hole in Kane's helmet in comparison to the facehugger's body.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEevtEXk.jpg&hash=eed3a2e7d6929d56a3695d699f2ea2461d38a096)
Yes, he was all hands, that one.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
I like the idea of roaming facehuggers, it's a scary concept. But that would have made it very difficult for anything to last for long imo.
I think the film series mostly shows that facehuggers only spawn when near someone. The EU is all about roaming facehuggers though :laugh:
AvP 2 ?
Dont forget the first avp movie too, but I take it as its not the standard way as the facehugger I imagine cant survive for long outside the egg or hive area, and my take on it is that the adult xenonorphs make the eggs to open to make roaming facehuggers, as normally the egg would wait until it discovers a host nearby and hatches.
If a facehugger could survive long outside of the egg, we would all be surrogate parents to Xenos. More conclusive to have them die off soon after hatching.
Ripley is a terrible mother she leaves her cat in a box forgets she told her daughter she'd make it in time for her birthday shows up 57 years later after shes dead gets a replacement kid named newt then loses her to a face hugger going to bed without checking for eggs
Yes. But then she ran into David Fincher.
;D
Quote from: pinkystinkinc on Oct 21, 2020, 11:10:17 PM
Ripley is a terrible mother she leaves her cat in a box forgets she told her daughter she'd make it in time for her birthday shows up 57 years later after shes dead gets a replacement kid named newt then loses her to a face hugger going to bed without checking for eggs
That is a crappy mother. Now I don't feel so bad about forgetting to leave money under kid's pillow when she lost teeth :-[