AvPGalaxy Forums

Which depiction of the Predalien is the best in your opinion?

Aliens vs. Predator: Duel
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-alO2jKDHqFU%2FTkA4u2ZzMxI%2FAAAAAAAAAoQ%2FWQF7R64TVos%2Fs1600%2Falienvspredatorduel1a.jpg&hash=a026668400bc6919ad01060e8ec00d990bc2036b)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct0lBb8WgAAfxWM.jpg)

Aliens versus Predator (1999)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20070519084801%2Fscratchpad%2Fimages%2F3%2F36%2FPredalien-10.jpg&hash=95c01410face31c48f5318d742675fd15caef49d)

Aliens versus Predator 2/Primal Hunt
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/2/2d/AvP2Predalien002.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150107001040)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/e/ea/Aliens_versus_Predator_2_-_Primal_Hunt_Coverart.png/revision/latest?cb=20100112074715)

Aliens versus Predator: Extinction
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/9/9e/Predqueen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100623102558)

Alien vs. Predator (2004)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/annex/images/5/58/Predalien-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081119025833)

Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/02/Predalien1.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120526141758)

Aliens vs. Predator (2010)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/72/Abomination.png/revision/latest?cb=20130406123346)

AVP: Evolution
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.wp.com%2Fwww.actionfigureinsider.com%2Fwpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F05%2FPredAlien_02.jpg%3Ffit%3D2000%2C1078&hash=b4e81cc2146b6dae3f22c336c4a8fa71b1d0ecfe)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/1/12/Berserker-Alien%2FChopper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140126044455)

Probably Duel. I'd put AvP2 -- the game -- waaaaay down the bottom. The AvP 1999 design kind of gets a pass because it's arguably a genetic experiment, not a natural-born thing. AvP 2010 probably second place.

AvP 2010 and Duel share the top spot. I also like the one on the cover of Primal Hunt. The in game depiction not so much.
The worst for me is the one in Extinction, thats one ugly SOB.

Yep 2010 and Duel for me as well.

I think the lack of the elongated skull damages the overall look of some of the Predaliens.

Also 2004's Chestburster over Requiems.

Official design's trash. (Every single, one.)
AVP 2004's chestburster's the victor.

Dave Dorman's PredAlien > the rest.

A special shoutout to Dave Dorman's Predalien is deserved.

Definitely has to be Duel for me. But I still have some issues with the dreads in some of the panels but overall, his is the best!

It's actually quite surprising that they've yet to show the Predalien in another comic after it's first appearance in Duel.

Except for the White Hybrids but I guess that doesn't really count.

I love AVP's 2010, but I went with Duel. Something about that depiction just works in my mind.

Dorman's design, which is basically what they went with for 'Duel,' although they only really pulled it off on the cover.

I have never been a fan of the whole predalien with spikes thing. The ideal for me is to take the giger alien and make it bigger, mandibles or dreads on it don't even bother me, I want the original alien look.

Overall I would take the one from AVP2010. The AVP2 Predalien was by far the worst part of the game, even with the game explanation for its look.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 05:31:18 PM
I have never been a fan of the whole predalien with spikes thing. The ideal for is to take the giger alien and make it bigger, mandibles or dreads on it don't even bother me, I want the original alien look.

Honestly, I'd be fine with just being a bit taller and the mandibles being the only discerning factor.

I say Requiem but only noting that I do have some problems with it. I think the film does it right by including some much needed color on it which helps it stand out in a lineup. It's also a bit meatier which gives the impression that this is an Alien who will smack you around for awhile. The head and feet don't really look right with me because the digitigrade feet are irrelevant to a biped who primarily isn't moving on all fours. Sure you can have digtigrade legs as a biped but that's kind of odd on a PredAlien given the Predator is a plantigrade first and the Alien can do both, and yet specializes for speed in which it doesn't really display. Further compounded in that a tail is for balance at highspeeds and it only uses it as a stinger and to be completely honest, I've never been satisfied with the tail in any incarnation.

I find it more believable in 2010's versions, but that one rubs me the wrong way for other reasons.

My issue with the PredAlien as a whole is that it should be a bit meatier than the other Aliens seeing as it does come from a species who specializes in brawling. However post-Requiem it's just a bigger warrior with a different head and I feel like artistically we can do better than that. I'm also not a fan of the chunkier hands and thought they got the right idea the first time with Big Chap hands relative to its size.

I kinda like the AVP2 Predalien.

(https://i.imgur.com/ldNNHVB.jpg)
The best, retract the fimbria though.

Can all of them egg-barf?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 06:41:14 AM
Can all of them egg-barf?

No.

Don't do this.  :laugh:

None of others bumped into any pregnant woman.

Is egg-barfing a Predalien or Praetorian/Juvenile Queen trait? Or is it simply a mutation of this one specimen?

It's a Strause Bros mutation.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 13, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
Is egg-barfing a Predalien or Praetorian/Juvenile Queen trait? Or is it simply a mutation of this one specimen?

Chet was suppose to be  juvenine queen, they never used the praetorian word, but it was kind of it, since it started as a "normal" alien, drone or whatever, then started to molt into a queen, instead of being born as a queen chestburster. Chet was the only predalien design with a praetorian head due to that. That was suppose to be temporary way to breed before she matured and started laying eggs. But then I think someone else said it was due to taking traits from predator reprodution or something.

They needed aliens in movie and that was the best they could come up with. I think in the first script it wasn't even explained where so many aliens had come from, the predalien died at the crash, and the other aliens were just there. Then egg barfing came to the rescue. Yay.

Now I can't help but wonder if Dallas got egg-barfed off-screen in the original movie.

I have sometimes thought that perhaps it's a trait the juvenile Queen has taken from the Yautja's reproductive system. Turning it into something that increases the propagation of the Xenomorphs, in a horrific way.

 :D

Yautja birth.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 04:57:54 PM
Now I can't help but wonder if Dallas got egg-barfed off-screen in the original movie.

No queen crown-like head, no egg barfing. But Chet and Kane's son do share THE SKULL.

Being that it was supposed to be an intermediary stage, the idea was that this is how the PredAlien could spawn as many of her brood that quickly seeing as there just wasn't that many facehuggers to go around on the Scout ship.

We haven't seen Praetorian do that but then again they also haven't ever appeared on film before. So as far as we know this could be a trait unique to the PredAlien or even this specific PredAlien. While the PredAlien is an intermediary stage in Requiem between Warrior and Queen, it's up in the air as to whether its a praetorian or not, be it that its a praetorian with Predator traits, or it's a Hybrid that happens to serve the same function as a praetorian. We just don't know and the film never addresses it seeing as Chet simply wasn't alive long enough to make the transition. Being that its also the only cinematic appearance of the PredAlien and maybe the Praetorian, we just don't know if this is a mutation, or if this is just something the PredAlien or Praetorian genus is just capable of doing. 

Without another film addressing it we just don't know. And the extended media doesn't help because what exactly spawns a Praetorian is inconsistent; seeing as it can come from any Alien seeing as it gets enough Royal jelly, it's pure-breed, Queen Facehugger, or it's just a natural stage of the life-cycle. We don't know if the barfing is caused by point of origin or if its just natural.

The other PredAliens don't do this, but then again none of them are alive long enough to do that. Nor do any of them outside of Chet encounter any pregnant creatures. With a Queen usually present we also don't know if this trait is specifically in the absence of a queen or not and if this trait is unique to the hybrid or if every Alien could.

The films never addressed it nor did any of the EU and it likely isn't the Predator's reproductive system seeing as they wear codpieces (including the EU females) meaning they do protect something down there. So that system is probably eerily similar and likely doesn't including oral rape.

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 04:47:34 PM
It's a Strause Bros mutation.

Or as it is known in the latin Stratus Mutatus.

It occured in only one known incident. It led to the Siege of Gunnison, Colorado - where a lone Predator faced off against an infestation of Xenomorphs.

The different concepts for AVPR's Predalien are so awesome.

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/55458254_376802342872774_1409963537651990528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=a227984d4377432e2d6f12462ec04ddd&oe=5D0C04E7)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/54523678_525200527887776_6617819926189047808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=06f648ccd90758377027878966b79654&oe=5D1A1834)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/53661808_385286222070600_1634874550988570624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=57f83726c82afd4432b8a9502d8497e8&oe=5D156D14)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/54432607_305938343422225_2074932712543617024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=682706bb887e4484dc541d2fa92dffa5&oe=5D20C128)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/52598903_365166064324737_3287439015707410432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=5031d57bedd3fabfd1b5f36114e4645b&oe=5D118F4E)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/53841490_276734756587951_1975320133047943168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=f495f0d92c93e74de63f662d10a0a6b9&oe=5D0FB44C)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/54355998_393472778146438_6921518605582467072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=782cafee3d4d6ba9f764ab19baa9031c&oe=5D0C1B8D)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/53764593_830260593973402_4690010107189133312_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=8a31653e4737ee9499029e1d4f4419ce&oe=5D1A0F9D)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/53492959_343486172936944_6956917073201070080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=5fd20e9136c20d05772495354fd2f29a&oe=5D02D054)

I probably prefer all of these to what we actually got.

They should have gone with that one:

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/53764593_830260593973402_4690010107189133312_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=8a31653e4737ee9499029e1d4f4419ce&oe=5D1A0F9D)

If they trim down the spikes a little and cut the wristblade thing, it would look awesome.
It would blend perfectly with the regular warrior aliens. Oh, and don't make it yellow. Just the same color as the rest of the aliens.

I painted some Chets with a very slightly different set of colours but IMO it fixes the design:

(https://i.imgur.com/vPjvCTQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/m5lxudx.jpg)

Those look good! Nice job.

I was always a fan of this particular piece by Farzad.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-CWObA-qZfOY%2FTkGj5ObDAsI%2FAAAAAAAAApM%2FEHbCTttJADM%2Fs1600%2Ffarzadpredalien3.jpg&hash=3c010f0c6a0ad12649ed86d2b9e12bc50a23dc6d)

As always, though, without the dreadlocks please.

I actually have a production used copy of that piece. One of my favourite items in my collection.

I'm a fan of the dreadlock/spike/hair look hey.

I prefer the PredAlien with dreads and the bulkier body because it definitely helps distinguish them in a lineup. If they take on traits of their hosts, they should be a bit more varied than the skeletal penis head creatures we normally see. It came from a Predator and not a Human and so given they have a different physiology and a lot more muscle than a human they should result in an Alien that looks a bit out there.

Although it's kind of a missed opportunity we didn't see a rendition go the opposite way. A head with a more vaginal looking crest would not only make the dreads drop better than the Alien skull, but it would still fit in-line with the sexual symbolism of the Alien. Giving it a crest in Requiem made sense given what it was turning into, but the Alien heads don't really drop the dreads in a satisfying manner.

The dreads look stupid on every version.

Correct.

(https://i.imgur.com/lWTh1tM.gif)

Please no dreadlocks. I beg of the designers.

Literally a chunkier Alien with some mandible action is all that was ever needed.

Agreed. Keep the head long for a change and make it maybe just a tad bit more of a thicker phallic form, since the predator already has a larger skull.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
https://i.imgur.com/lWTh1tM.gif

Please no dreadlocks. I beg of the designers.

Dreadlocks, please. I think that dreadlocks make predalien really unique design and they move cool in action. Just Alien head with mandibles isn't enough for me. And xenodreadlocks can looks like spikes and be some kind of extra defense feature for its head.

Quote
The Alien is host genetic domination.
Uncompromised perfection.
The "DNA reflex" is a survival mechanism, so the body structure formed is analogous for survival.  i̶d̶e̶n̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶
The "Runner" E.G, is a beautiful design.

No protrusions, it's aerodynamics' perfect.
It inherits a quadrupedal stance.
̶b̶i̶p̶e̶d̶a̶l̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶n̶c̶e̶

The logical conclusion.
A tough protrusion's a hindrance.
As Isolation depicts the entire Alien form is pliant, through tight areas.

A exterior protrusion serves no purpose if it's a offensive or defensive mechanism, because if it's pliant it's by definition; not sharp.
The tail, claws and inner jaw exists regardless.

Predalien. D̶r̶e̶a̶d̶l̶o̶c̶k̶s̶

Is that open to negotiation?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
Is that open to negotiation?

(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/nute-gunray-death-gif-3.gif)

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
Predalien. D̶r̶e̶a̶d̶l̶o̶c̶k̶s̶

Come on, dreadlocks are cool. I don't care about Alien design being absolutely logical.

Yeah I don't really get the logic of Alien design requiring too much logic. They do need a basis in reality, but barring dreadlocks when we don't even know the biological function despite including dorsal tubes or the Alien even having a skull (a skull that includes eye sockets no less) is kind of odd.

Really the biggest sin of the dreads is that the Alien skull isn't suited to them. The Predator's frill-like skull allows them to drape better but on most if not all PredAliens it seems its there if only because its on the Predator. Really all one needed to do was just include the frill, and the dreads would drop just fine. You could still even retain the penis shaped skull like that but the dreads just drop down or if only to the sides of the frill.

Just putting some mandibles on a warrior or drone just isn't as impressive to me and lacks the shock. The Predators see infrared and we know the Alien doesn't show up well to them. The design at the end of the day is for us the viewer, because we can see it clearly, the Predator can't. So from the perspective of an audience member, they should look a bit more theatrical and with the dreads you can make head movements dynamic and bigger.

The hair idea is fatuous.

Again, observe the "Queen" Alien and the "Runner" Alien. The design's different and excellent each, but it's regardless of obvious superficial quality.

Runner:
The absence of the back protrusions, the streamline carapace, the mouth, the airbrush characteristics, the cleaver, the proportions, the animalistic traverssal.

Queen:
The thorn back protrusions, the sheathed cranium, the transparent teeth, the corset, the sexualised hands and feet, the proportions, the Phalangium Opilio traversal, the breadth.

One (bad hair) incorporation ≠ a good design.

This one is tough. I'm ok with AVP:R's design but didn't like how it was portrayed, I'd say though AVP Evolution or AVP 2010, both are actually pretty good so.

The AVP/AVPR/Evolution design's the worst.
Official design's trash. (Every single, one.)
But retract the fimbra of the 2010 version and it's adequate.

I would love to see a true biomechanical version of it that fits with Big Chap and the warriors from Aliens. In the same color as the regular ones.

Most seem to take the fleshy design from Resurrection/AVP and give it a lighter, predatoresque skincolor.

The skin colour thing bugs me more than the dreads, personally.


And the dreads bug me a lot.

I should really try to cobble together a decent predalien for the miniatures stuff but man, making something recognizably a both biomechanical and a predalien at that scale while keeping to the no-dreads, no-predskin brief will be... challenging.

A worthy goal.

The runner is quite obviously more dog-like than bull-like but I guess it depends on which you choose to follow. I do prefer the Theatrical Cut but for me the runner came from a dog.

I really like the look of the Kenner bull aliens. In my opinion the horns only add to the design, the same way the dreadlocks do.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/5/5b/AlienTaureau1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120117174535)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/5/50/Bull_Alien_Comic.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141015073425)

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2019, 07:25:35 PM
The skin colour thing bugs me more than the dreads, personally.

I don't mind a subtler tone of brown but full on beige is a no-go for me.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 20, 2019, 04:57:00 AM
I really like the look of the Neca bull aliens. In my opinion the horns only add to the design, the same way the dreadlocks do.

Do you mean Kenner? Because I've been eagerly awaiting NECA's reinterpretation and I'll be sad if I've missed it.

He means Kenner. Posted Kenner art, and "$55NZD per figure" NECA hasn't done the Bull.

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
I should really try to cobble together a decent predalien for the miniatures stuff but man, making something recognizably a both biomechanical and a predalien at that scale while keeping to the no-dreads, no-predskin brief will be... challenging.

You could use the spitters as base, they are actually pretty bulky compared to the normal warriors. Give it a standard tail tip, maybe trim the spikes on the backtube, swap the head with either a normal warrior or the royal guard one,what matches best, give it mandibles from a predator mini(they are much smaller then the predalien ones). Maybe model it a smooth head, if you prefer it to the ridged ones.

At least that is my plan if i find the time for miniature stuff again and get my hands on the spitters.

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
The AVP/AVPR/Evolution design's the worst.

You obviously didn't see the Extinction one to call those one's the worse.

*Cough* http://tinyurl.com/ExtinctionAVP

Yes the Requiem Alien/PredAlien design's the worst.

All garbage though, so pick your poison.

The Kenner designs? Laughable, silliness.

Kenner, sorry.

I kinda like what they did in AVPR but would prefer to see this:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Txe5nRsvT2s/maxresdefault.jpg)

or this:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/weyland-ycorporation/images/9/99/Concept120.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120721152316)

I in general have strange feeling that the best of concept art never turns in actual movie imagery

Awful.

La-la-la! (melodic voice on) I don't hear you!

Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 20, 2019, 08:42:42 AM

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
I should really try to cobble together a decent predalien for the miniatures stuff but man, making something recognizably a both biomechanical and a predalien at that scale while keeping to the no-dreads, no-predskin brief will be... challenging.

You could use the spitters as base, they are actually pretty bulky compared to the normal warriors. Give it a standard tail tip, maybe trim the spikes on the backtube, swap the head with either a normal warrior or the royal guard one,what matches best, give it mandibles from a predator mini(they are much smaller then the predalien ones). Maybe model it a smooth head, if you prefer it to the ridged ones.

At least that is my plan if i find the time for miniature stuff again and get my hands on the spitters.

The more upright spitters were my first thought too, and their semi crested heads could be a good basis for trimming down into a a skull more resembling some predator-like serrations. I've also being eyeing up a crouched speciel edition/movie warrior since you can't get any more biomech than that in the range.

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 20, 2019, 09:07:44 PM

Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 20, 2019, 08:42:42 AM

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
I should really try to cobble together a decent predalien for the miniatures stuff but man, making something recognizably a both biomechanical and a predalien at that scale while keeping to the no-dreads, no-predskin brief will be... challenging.

You could use the spitters as base, they are actually pretty bulky compared to the normal warriors. Give it a standard tail tip, maybe trim the spikes on the backtube, swap the head with either a normal warrior or the royal guard one,what matches best, give it mandibles from a predator mini(they are much smaller then the predalien ones). Maybe model it a smooth head, if you prefer it to the ridged ones.

At least that is my plan if i find the time for miniature stuff again and get my hands on the spitters.

The more upright spitters were my first thought too, and their semi crested heads could be a good basis for trimming down into a a skull more resembling some predator-like serrations. I've also being eyeing up a crouched speciel edition/movie warrior since you can't get any more biomech than that in the range.

Yeah too bad they got the biomechanical ones after i got myself covered with the regular warriors  :D
They had some special edition alternative warriors and the unicast ones are also the biomechanical design.And i think also the set with the alien characters.

Unicast are biomech but a nightmare to do any real alterations on, although i'm considering the leaping alien character since both the front and back of its head give easy access for tools. The alternate warriors are what i meant btw, i have a few.

Yes, that's the reason i very much prefer the multipart versions of the range. You don't need to put lots of work into it just to have more variation then the default 5 poses.

They are awesome. Still regret i did not pick them up when they were available.

They very rarely come available for big sales/events.


...or if you sweet talk the staff ;)

(https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/54432607_305938343422225_2074932712543617024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=682706bb887e4484dc541d2fa92dffa5&oe=5D20C128)

I like how they used mandibles in a demented way by replacing the tubes. Shows more of a true mutation form. I would personally update Dorman's Predalien with that trait, make the tail more muscular, and add the visible dome like in AVP2 and the original Alien.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2019, 08:17:10 AM

I don't mind a subtler tone of brown but full on beige is a no-go for me.

Kind of like this?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/cd/Reinst%C3%B6t%27s_Predalien.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180723110325)

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 22, 2019, 06:31:00 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/cd/Reinst%C3%B6t%27s_Predalien.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180723110325)

Holy shit! This is amazing! Where is that from?

Should be from the 2016 Predator Vs. Judge Dredd Vs. Aliens crossover comic.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 22, 2019, 06:31:00 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/cd/Reinst%C3%B6t%27s_Predalien.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180723110325)

Wait a minute! Is that balls or something around his chin? Call me stupid if you want.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 23, 2019, 06:36:42 AM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 22, 2019, 06:31:00 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/cd/Reinst%C3%B6t%27s_Predalien.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180723110325)

Wait a minute! Is that balls or something around his chin? Call me stupid if you want.

Oh wow now that you mentioned it I cannot unsee :laugh:

Hehehe and as Krugan said, its from the crossover comic. The cleanest Predalien design that I've seen to date honestly

Was that the one with mad scientist experimenting with cross breeding?

That comic is G L O R I O U S.

Not only do they manage to make the AVPR Predalien look good (seriously, if you look close, it's the same design!), but it nails the mix in tones between the dark action/horror of A/P and the deranged insanity of Judge Dredd comics. Also, it's one of few portrayals of the Predators that shows them actually tracking their prey.

Oh, and Archbishop Emoji:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/2/2a/Archbishop_Emoji_and_his_cult.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161210181445)

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 22, 2019, 06:31:00 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/cd/Reinst%C3%B6t%27s_Predalien.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180723110325)

I can take mandibles and dreads, but predator pecks? Hate that on an alien.

Predators are so jacked that it's literally genetic.  :D

Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 23, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
I can take mandibles and dreads, but predator pecks? Hate that on an alien.

I personally would create stylized pecks based on Giger's biomechanics. The ribcage is always nice but lets see how muscles can be pulled off.

Biomechanics is the biological and mechanical fusion, semen, saliva, tendons, mechanics and translucent skin.

No flesh, no hair.

Sorry for the self-plug but here is a drawing I did of a Predalien from about 4-5 years back. It's just a sketch with some details.

No dreads for my Predalien. Also, my biggest issue with Predalien depictions is that soooo many times the mandibles look glued on rather then part of the mouth (I'm looking at you Chet).

I tried to make the mandibles part of the functioning jaw with my drawing as well as making the back of the head a tad more crest shaped towards the end rather then rounded end as is found in human spawned xenomorphs.

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 24, 2019, 02:29:48 AM
Biomechanics is the biological and mechanical fusion, semen, saliva, tendons, mechanics and translucent skin.

No flesh, no hair.

Which is what muscle is, tendons and fibers intertwined to make a muscle mass. I don't mean put skin on it.

Something like this on its chest, with it roped around some of its shoulders and ribcage
(https://physics.aps.org/assets/0f43788c-86d4-4cef-afaa-7ed1874787a6/e12_1_medium.gif)

Quote from: The Runner on Mar 24, 2019, 03:23:38 AM
Sorry for the self-plug but here is a drawing I did of a Predalien from about 4-5 years back. It's just a sketch with some details.

No dreads for my Predalien. Also, my biggest issue with Predalien depictions is that soooo many times the mandibles look glued on rather then part of the mouth (I'm looking at you Chet).

I tried to make the mandibles part of the functioning jaw with my drawing as well as making the back of the head a tad more crest shaped towards the end rather then rounded end as is found in human spawned xenomorphs.

Good detail. It makes sense too that the head should be crest shaped than rounded, since it does take some of Pred DNA after all, not human.

The Alien is inherently evocative of the male and female sex organ intertwined, a law of Alien design as far as I'm concerned.
And part of why every official PredAlien design is lackluster.

Just imagine the dreadlocks are wangs and it's all good.

Although, a good design doesn't retain the fimbria.

Did you ever finish your Predalien design, Old One?

No motivation.

Working on something to scratch that "just a big Alien with mandibles" itch - obviously it needs some paint but you get the idea.


(https://i.imgur.com/WW0ADDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nP73XC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abiAhYa.jpg)

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 08:40:32 AM
Working on something to scratch that "just a big Alien with mandibles" itch - obviously it needs some paint but you get the idea.


(https://i.imgur.com/WW0ADDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nP73XC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abiAhYa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8Zpc8Nb.jpg)

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 08:44:53 AM

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 08:40:32 AM
Working on something to scratch that "just a big Alien with mandibles" itch - obviously it needs some paint but you get the idea.


(https://i.imgur.com/WW0ADDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nP73XC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abiAhYa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8Zpc8Nb.jpg)

The artist is fantastic but I've never dug that piece.

I only like the head, and the color. But overall, I find the piece interesting because it is one of the few Predalien without dreadlocks. A more original take, since most people design them in the other way. However, if one day I draw a Predalien with appendixes on his head, I'd prefer something like this...

(https://i.imgur.com/p3YQhYf.jpg)

That's honestly not a million miles away from Chet...

I like them  :)

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 08:40:32 AM
Working on something to scratch that "just a big Alien with mandibles" itch - obviously it needs some paint but you get the idea.


(https://i.imgur.com/WW0ADDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nP73XC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abiAhYa.jpg)

That suits me just fine! Looking forward to seeing it all painted up!

Best PredAlien I've ever seen.

But does it egg barf?

Hopefully not.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
But does it egg barf?

That's a warrior Predalien. I bet the Queen Predalien of that design does. Which I suspect it must look like a regular Queen but with Predator mandibles.

I prefer how AVPE handled the caste system, so- no such thing.

Sorry FI, but as Darkness said in a state of depression - "The saddest part of all is that this reproduction method is now canon"

I like Egg Barfing though. And of course, there is that Voodoo Magic Egg Barfing Theory!    ;D

#VMEBT

No, it's really not canon. The AVP film spin-off. As I'm sure you know, the Alien Bible dictates.

Wait, this is canon?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRUkoJ4w.gif&hash=2ea83e33f9f0f960b9b50b73c3a01b8530dc0194)

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 11, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
No, it's really not canon. The AVP film spin-off. As I'm sure you know, the Alien Bible dictates.

Oh you. As you know... what I listen to is the actual product, and the actual creators of such product. Nothing else.

Now in regards to the Alien series film canon, Colin said AvPR was canon. It was canon until it was retconned out, occurring the moment writer Damion Lindeloff brought up to Ridley Scott that their movie would be contradicting AvP, a concern Ridley immediately dismissed and retconned out.  So at that moment, in regards to Alien, AvP became it's own canon. But a Predalien is a mixture of Alien and Predator, which exists not within Alien, but within that AVP own canon (which still is seemingly tied to Predator). So in regards to film canon, egg-barfing Predaliens is film canon.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Egg barfer fans rejoice! ;D

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 07:38:19 PM
So at that moment, in regards to Alien, AvP became it's own thing. But a Predalien is a mixture of Alien and Predator, which exists not within Alien, but within that AVP own thing (which still is seemingly tied to Predator). So in regards to film canon, egg-barfing Predaliens is film canon.

Pretty much.

---

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 11, 2019, 10:01:05 AM

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 08:40:32 AM
Working on something to scratch that "just a big Alien with mandibles" itch - obviously it needs some paint but you get the idea.


(https://i.imgur.com/WW0ADDh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nP73XC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abiAhYa.jpg)

That suits me just fine! Looking forward to seeing it all painted up!

Going to try to get it done today, but the humidity may be against me for how wash-heavy the paint scheme is.

One of the Strauses apparently abused people at their Special Effects company, so their shit opinion from their shit film about their shit creature means nothing to me.

Or to the people that manage the continuity of the Alien series, film and otherwise declared it non-canon- so it is.

And I was talking about the Alien film canon, so far as I know Predator and AVP doesn't really have anyone managing their canon, if one even exists.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 11, 2019, 07:52:25 PM
One of the Strauses apparently abused people at their Special Effects company, so their shit opinion from their shit film about their shit creature means nothing to me.

Or to the people that manage the continuity of the Alien series, film and otherwise declared it non-canon- so it is.

And I was talking about the Alien film canon, so far as I know Predator and AVP doesn't really have anyone managing their canon, if one even exists.

You misunderstand - it's a canon AvP/Predator film. It's got nothing to do with the standalone Alien continuity.

I do understand, I just don't know if AVP or Predator even has continuity- it appears it's all treated as standalones, with no influence over each other unless the film creator chooses.

You're not wrong. Canon and continuity aren't perfect synonyms though.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 07:55:51 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 11, 2019, 07:52:25 PM
One of the Strauses apparently abused people at their Special Effects company, so their shit opinion from their shit film about their shit creature means nothing to me.

Or to the people that manage the continuity of the Alien series, film and otherwise declared it non-canon- so it is.

And I was talking about the Alien film canon, so far as I know Predator and AVP doesn't really have anyone managing their canon, if one even exists.

You misunderstand - it's a canon AvP/Predator film. It's got nothing to do with the standalone Alien continuity.

She seems pissed.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/ead4a8761568ca9b5221a51ce87edfdd/tenor.gif)

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 11, 2019, 08:02:07 PM
I do understand, I just don't know if AVP or Predator even has continuity- it appears it's all treated as standalones, with no influence over each other unless the film creator chooses.

IllFonic confirmed this year the existence of Predator canon.

Plus:
(https://i.redd.it/5o59lnhahv021.jpg)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 08:08:43 PM

She seems pissed.

Also did one of her trademarked edits that makes my post redundant :D

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2019, 08:11:47 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 08:08:43 PM

She seems pissed.

Also did one of her trademarked edits that makes my post redundant :D

"trademarked"  :laugh:

And we love her for it!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
Sorry FI, but as Darkness said in a state of depression - "The saddest part of all is that this reproduction method is now canon"

I like Egg Barfing though. And of course, there is that Voodoo Magic Egg Barfing Theory!    ;D

#VMEBT

Where I can read that theory?

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 09:15:28 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
Sorry FI, but as Darkness said in a state of depression - "The saddest part of all is that this reproduction method is now canon"

I like Egg Barfing though. And of course, there is that Voodoo Magic Egg Barfing Theory!    ;D

#VMEBT

Where I can read that theory?

Prepare to be enlightened! ;D

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62004.15

#VMEBT

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

Jealousy is what it is. Just because Chet is bigger, goes deeper, and more often than the others.

Say what you will, but he had them reproduction gains.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 11, 2019, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

A struggle between what is... versus what one wishes it to be... with a lack of understanding of individual licensing sprinkled in. So glad I wasn't a participant of that. I enjoy the harmony.  :)

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 11, 2019, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

Did they send Hicks to the ER?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 09:29:08 PM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 09:15:28 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
Sorry FI, but as Darkness said in a state of depression - "The saddest part of all is that this reproduction method is now canon"

I like Egg Barfing though. And of course, there is that Voodoo Magic Egg Barfing Theory!    ;D

#VMEBT

Where I can read that theory?

Prepare to be enlightened! ;D

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62004.15

#VMEBT

Thanks!

#readtime  8)

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 10:03:57 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 11, 2019, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

Did they send Hicks to the ER?

I'll go with Duel.

Good choice.

I still prefer this bastard though

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/72/Abomination.png/revision/latest?cb=20130406123346)

---

And, damn, I do love some of concept art for AVPR

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Txe5nRsvT2s/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBq1Usg-qDqIqpnqelUXjXgb-JrXykXlIiA1XsXk9zbmPDqiyg&s)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Fu%2FScreenshot_20161025-202353.png&hash=6c7f9ce62ed43e006c27efde9779e3a49f5d6676)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-44C4frWlzcg%2FUONbVXA5sBI%2FAAAAAAAAFlo%2F5lLwNoigLww%2Fs1600%2Favprconcept98.jpg&hash=3bbc2f93b8bd1617e5f42961823ad666a27a6882)

Sorry, guys, but for me dreadlocks are crucial part of any Predalien design

Yeah, the AvP 2010 Predalien is a close second to me!

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 12, 2019, 02:23:47 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-44C4frWlzcg/UONbVXA5sBI/AAAAAAAAFlo/5lLwNoigLww/s1600/avprconcept98.jpg

This one has potential to be cool. As far as puking eggs, it could've been interesting had it not been tied to the Predalien. Perhaps used in conjunction with genetic tampering and that ended up being one of the results.

Egg-barfing is fine for something that does a parasitic birth. The species does this with the facehugger, the Predalien just happens to be able to do it. That part I think is fine for what it is especially given the egg-morphing being a thing. They have to have some means of creating embryos without a Queen, the Predalien is just an extreme example of this.

Though I do have some reservations on it because it simply hasn't come up before or since. We have no idea if this trait was caused by the Predalien being a hybrid and some wire got crossed when it picked up the Predator DNA (especially not now seeing as we have no idea if Scar was a mutant or not). There was also the issue with it being unclear if it was a Praetorian trait and since we hadn't seen a Praetorian prior that this was simply new information.While the Praetorian had shown up in the EU prior, the movies take precedent here. Then we have the possibility that Chet was a young Queen and she happened to look so different due to her host being Scar. We know some Queens can look different or do weird things with foreign DNA. The Resurrection Queen made a womb after-all, bizarre behavior or appearance is not out of the question for a hybrid.

I don't remember supplementary material addressing this either. Subsequent Predaliens (chronologically and simply being made after Chet) near as I can tell also don't do this, even those that resemble Chet. Ultimately this ends up making it the elephant in the room where it's not unheard of for this to happen, but it just happens and its never addressed why it happens other than BTS information which isn't necessarily canonical. The film doesn't have to explain this, but it is weird that this wasn't touched upon even if it was unique to this specific individual. It's not offensive in of itself, but it's basically awkward that this trait seems to be such a one-off. 

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
A struggle between what is... versus what one wishes it to be... with a lack of understanding of individual licensing sprinkled in. So glad I wasn't a participant of that. I enjoy the harmony.  :)

It was great.

Spoiler

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2b714a54dee844b9db0a515308a5f1e6/tenor.gif?itemid=5728431)

[close]

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 10:03:57 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 11, 2019, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

Did they send Hicks to the ER?

I think he was more okay with that stuff back then.

Now with paint:



(https://i.imgur.com/48Rey00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3q5h0pj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qxXwLHB.jpg)

Top tier, best Predalien.

<3

Love your paint work.

Chur bro. I'm pretty happy with how this lot is turning out, it took a damn long time to commit to a colour scheme for this set and i'm glad people are into it.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 13, 2019, 12:54:07 AM
Now with paint:



(https://i.imgur.com/48Rey00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3q5h0pj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qxXwLHB.jpg)

You're ahead of your game! Amazing job. A Predalien don't need dreadlocks to look stunning, and here we have the irrefutable evidence to support that.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 12, 2019, 04:22:45 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 10:03:57 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 11, 2019, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Wait, this is canon?

http://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif

Too bad you weren't here to see the canon wars back when AVPR was released.

Did they send Hicks to the ER?

I think he was more okay with that stuff back then.

Didn't seem as much of an issue back then. That I remember, anyway.

---

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 13, 2019, 12:54:07 AM
Now with paint:
(https://i.imgur.com/48Rey00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3q5h0pj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qxXwLHB.jpg)

Gorgeous! I think it really does work best with just the mandibles. Loving the bronze in that too.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 13, 2019, 12:54:07 AM
Now with paint:



(https://i.imgur.com/48Rey00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3q5h0pj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qxXwLHB.jpg)

Nicely done brother! And those clean lines!  Do you use one of those large magnifying lenses to paint like so many hobbyists do? Or are you just blessed with great eyesight and a steady hand?

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 13, 2019, 03:49:16 AM
You're ahead of your game! Amazing job. A Predalien don't need dreadlocks to look stunning, and here we have the irrefutable evidence to support that.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2019, 08:30:07 AM
Gorgeous! I think it really does work best with just the mandibles. Loving the bronze in that too.

Thanks guys. <3

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 13, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
Nicely done brother! And those clean lines!  Do you use one of those large magnifying lenses to paint like so many hobbyists do? Or are you just blessed with great eyesight and a steady hand?

Neither, ironically.

No magnifier either. This piece has more to do with knowing my tools and materials intimately than anything else; careful application of glazes and ink washes picks out all the detail via surface tension and creates the colour shifts and shading. Then it's a matter of painting the manual details (only the teeth, claws and cranium on this one) at the bottom of my breath as if I were target shooting.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 13, 2019, 06:54:09 PM
Neither, ironically.

No magnifier either. This piece has more to do with knowing my tools and materials intimately than anything else; careful application of glazes and ink washes picks out all the detail via surface tension and creates the colour shifts and shading. Then it's a matter of painting the manual details (only the teeth, claws and cranium on this one) at the bottom of my breath as if I were target shooting.

Damn... that almost sounds stressful!

You get into a rhythm of loading a tiny amount onto a brush and then applying it, but I'm reliably informed other people do find it stressful. I consume so much strong coffee and cigarettes while painting that I'm not sure I'd notice either way though.

I know that feel, without the stimulant requirement. lol