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A brand new Aliens documentary has been announced! CreatorVC have unveiled AliensExpanded.com and announced that it will be producing a documentary all about James Cameron’s Aliens with insight into its cinematic legacy. There will be commentary from cast, crew, and fans alike, and will explore the mythology of the iconic movie.

The Aliens Expanded documentary will feature scene-by-scene analysis driven by memories and stories. It will explore the themes, plot, characters, atmosphere, special effects and what impact James Cameron’s Aliens had on the world.

Prepare for dust off, folks. Exploring James Cameron's epic from teeth to tail, Aliens Expanded will open up this beloved film like never before. Aliens is arguably – Hell, let's just say it – the greatest sequel of all time; Aliens Expanded will be the ultimate celebration of exactly why.

It will go deep, right into the heart of the nest, to unearth the reason why we return to its embrace again and again. Every line on our lips. Every action beat a muscle memory. A genuine classic still as terrifying as the day we first joined the mission back to LV-426.

Much, much more than a making of. Way more ambitious than some video essay. Never before will such passion, wit, intellect, and pure worship be applied to a single film. 

CreatorVC are an independent global team of people who create documentaries about films they love from the 80’s. The documentaries are inspired and shaped by a dedicated community of fans. They previously produced In Search of the Last Action Heroes – a comprehensive retrospective of the 80’s action film genre.

Their second documentary was In Search of Darkness – an exploration of 80’s horror movies. They followed that up with Part 2 and are currently producing a third documentary in the series.

If you go to the website, you can view a teaser for the Aliens documentary. There doesn’t appear to be a release date for it yet. I believe, as well that their previous documentaries were crowd-funded on Kickstarter or Indiegogo so Aliens Expanded may follow a similar path.

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Sweet, sounds brilliant.  Look forward to seeing it on its release.  Thanks for the info!

It makes me happy that the brand is still so strong! Very loyal fanbase!

Interesting. It'll be hard to match/top what Charles de Lauzirika and J.W. Rinzler have already done, but if they're able to score some new interviews with the cast and crew and can get some informative new answers out of them, I'll be all over that for sure.

QuoteAliens Expanded will be the most passionate and detailed examination ever made of this much loved classic; an ultimate companion that will enhance your viewing experience with new insights and revelations.

But to achieve something truly special, we're going to need your help...

Our goal is to bring the entire Aliens fan community around this project, and then mine this collective hive mind for insights, questions, and unique viewpoints that will enhance our interviews with key cast and crew:

What do you wish you knew about Aliens, but have never heard about?

What incidental or not-so incidental plot point really interests you?

How could we think differently about classic elements?

�That process starts here, with this initial fan consultation. Below, we've provided the first details about how we're thinking about making this documentary, including a synopsis, and we want your input.

With the announcement of the creative team behind Aliens Expanded, we now know that Ian Nathan will helming Aliens Expanded. Nathan is well regarded amongst the film journalist community as not only a former editor and executive editor of the Empire magazine, but also as the author of Alien Vault and Ridley Scott: A Retrospective, and the upcoming James Cameron: A Retrospective.

On the Aliens Expanded website is a synopsis of the intent behind the documentary, an example of how scenes from Aliens would be explored and an emphasize on how much the production team at CreatorVC wants to involve the fandom in shaping Aliens Expanded. You will also find a survey on the website that invites the fandom to share their thoughts on the intent of Aliens Expanded, and also to share their own experiences. Be sure to head on over and make your voice heard! You have all of July to get involved. 

https://www.creatorvc.com/aliensexpanded

I submitted my inquest.  ;D

Honestly after listening to this here, sounds like it will be a bunch of unpleasant fanwank. "From the people who know the film best."

So I'll also be involved in Aliens: Expanded too. As will other notable outlets amongst the community. Robin and CreativeVC really want to push the fan involvement aspect - they want to know what fans want to see, and not just be another rehash. Honestly, after speaking to him and learning Ian was involved I was really excited.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2022, 11:09:32 AMSo I'll also be involved in Aliens: Expanded too. As will other notable outlets amongst the community. Robin and CreativeVC really want to push the fan involvement aspect - they want to know what fans want to see, and not just be another rehash. Honestly, after speaking to him and learning Ian was involved I was really excited.

I thought that might be the case yes, but I'm just really not interested in a roundtable of what amounts to people discussing how perfect it is and showing contempt for everything else in the franchise, and I see that a lot from the "Aliens fans" in particular rivaling Star Wars fandom for how awful and toxic they can be.

Some of the descriptors in the synopsis make me nervous to that end honestly, we'll see, but I can't help wishing it was a documentary on any of the other entries in the series.

Especially after Superior Firepower and J.W Rinzler's book, my question's just why, what more do we have to uncover here? That's why that Alien Isolation thing interests me most of the upcoming behind the scenes content.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 15, 2022, 11:18:24 AMI thought that might be the case yes, but I'm just really not interested in a roundtable of what amounts to people discussing how perfect it is and showing contempt for everything else in the franchise, and I see that a lot from the "Aliens fans" in particular rivaling Star Wars fandom for how awful and toxic they can be.

Are you talking Facebook/Twitter/etc? It seems to me that here, on AvPGalaxy, so called "Aliens fans" are being pretty civil and adequate with their opinions. Also, from my POV it seems Alien 1979 fans tend to be much more dismissive of Aliens than vice versa

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 15, 2022, 11:18:24 AMEspecially after Superior Firepower and J.W Rinzler's book, my question's just why, what more do we have to uncover here?

I heard people saying the same exact thing when Rinzler's book on Alien was coming out. There's always something new to discover, everything is in presentation

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 15, 2022, 11:18:24 AMI thought that might be the case yes, but I'm just really not interested in a roundtable of what amounts to people discussing how perfect it is and showing contempt for everything else in the franchise, and I see that a lot from the "Aliens fans" in particular rivaling Star Wars fandom for how awful and toxic they can be.

That's not what it's going to be.

Absolutely not my experience honestly or that of; Clara, Valerie, Rei, Allison, or a number of others that I know.

I am mainly referring to Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/Other although Blu-ray.com takes the cake for the most dismissive manchildren I have ever come across.

And with all due respect as proven by Alien Vault J.W Rinzler was on another level in comparison to Ian Nathan.

As for what it's going to be ultimately we will only know when it's fully formed I suppose.

I'm curious what they'll come up with. What works about the movie is well documented, what's enduring is well documented, how it was made is well documented.

QuoteWhat do you wish you knew about Aliens, but have never heard about?

Is there really anything left? :laugh:

I am also part of this and honestly, it's an honor!

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 14, 2022, 11:08:20 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PsJ76rDO4
Honestly after listening to this here, sounds like it will be a bunch of unpleasant fanwank. "From the people who know the film best."

I find anything suspect that declares anything is the greatest anything of all time. If you want to say you're celebrating Aliens as *one* of the greatest sequels of all time, awesome. I'm right there with you. I find fan hyperbole and absolutes tiresome, though.

Also, what does microscopic focus actually mean in this context. Is this going to be an Aliens version of Room 237? A video version of Aliens Minute? I say this as someone who is working on an oral history of another IP so I'm all for the digging for more stories but like so many others have stated, what is left to genuinely discover on this movie in contrast to the Rinzler book, the de Lauzirika documentary, the commentary track, the Aliens Minute podcast,  and all the other bits and bobs inbetween? It does sound a little fanwanky but...I guess we'll see.

Hopefully it's an interesting approach, there's genuine new info to offer, and it's executed well.

I finished watching their In Search of Tomorrow earlier this week. My understanding is Aliens Expanded isn't going to be in the same vein, but I had so much fun with In Search. I really do recommend it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2022, 11:53:25 AMI finished watching their In Search of Tomorrow earlier this week. My understanding is Aliens Expanded isn't going to be in the same vein, but I had so much fun with In Search. I really do recommend it.

Yeah, they are pretty good documentaries.  I've also watched In search of Darkness 1 & 2 also.  Not watched part 3 yet.

Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Aug 20, 2022, 01:46:36 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2022, 11:53:25 AMI finished watching their In Search of Tomorrow earlier this week. My understanding is Aliens Expanded isn't going to be in the same vein, but I had so much fun with In Search. I really do recommend it.

Yeah, they are pretty good documentaries.  I've also watched In search of Darkness 1 & 2 also.  Not watched part 3 yet.

I thought it was just one movie that's in 2 parts (on 2 blu-rays). Maybe you mean In Search Of Tomorrow as the third part?

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I can't believe I only just noticed Ian Nathan is directing.

Alien Vault was awesome.
Pretty sure he also directed one of the previous Alien documentaries that I remember being decent.

The crowd-funding campaign should be starting today. I don't think Ian's directed a previous documentary for Alien, but he was featured prominently in Search of Tomorrow (which I've got to say again, I really enjoyed).

I just checked and yeah, you're right. My bad. Maybe he appears as a talking head in one of them or something. I definitely recall a connection in some way or form.

I really wanna check out In Search of Tomorrow, but even the online streaming price is a bit steep for me right now.

When does the documentary releases?

There's been no solid date given as yet, David. But I would imagine late 2023 at the latest, early-mid 2024 more realistically.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaHWeiss/status/1567227784686084097?t=ZAKPog9f_8Hz06snASQW6A&s=19

If you were around in 2020 you will have likely been aware of In Search of Darkness, a crowd-funded documentary devoted to the science-fiction of the 1980s being produced by the team at CreatorVC. Now CreatorVC is back, along with Alien, Ridley Scott and James Cameron historian Ian Nathan, with a new documentary focused solely on Aliens!

Aliens Expanded is aiming to be more than just another behind-the-scenes look at Aliens, it’s a look into the impact it made on cinema, on culture and on the people like you and I that run and visits fan communities such as Alien vs. Predator Galaxy. It’s a look at what makes Aliens so enduring and so magnetic.

Written and Directed by Ian Nathan (Author, Alien Vault) and from the producers of In Search of Darkness I-III and In Search of Tomorrow, Aliens Expanded will be the ultimate companion to James Cameron's Aliens, enhancing your viewing experience with new insights and revelations.

Now in pre-production, our early outreach has already added several key interviewees, including Jenette Goldstein, Mark Rolston, and Carrie Henn, and we'll continue to add further top names from the cast and crew throughout the year.

Joining them will be a supporting cast of top critics, commentators, film historians, fellow filmmakers, scientists, comic-book writers and game designers, building up a detailed picture of the sheer impact this film has had on so many people.

But what will make this documentary truly unique, is that our analysis will be shaped, supported, and energized by the fan communities that Aliens has inspired. From the project’s inception, we have worked directly with many of these groups and influencers (some of whom you will see in the documentary itself) to develop a concept that Aliens superfans will cherish.

Together, we will dig deep into the theories and opinions and pure passion that have built up around this masterpiece. Will you join us? Crowdfunding ends Oct. 1st!

As with CreatorVC’s previous documentaries, Aliens Expanded is made for the fans and is supported by the fans and to that end the team behind the upcoming documentary has begun a crowdfunding campaign that will go from the 6th of September through to the 1st of October.

The basic pledge includes a digital copy of Aliens Expanded, as well as your name in the credit and a digital copy of the soundtrack. The next pledge includes the digital copies, as well as a physical Blu-ray, 2 posters, a sew-on patch, a commemorative booklet and a certificate. You can go one step further and the next pledge includes a t-shirt! All pledges include access to a year-long celebration of Aliens, 20 hours of backer-only events, Q&As with the cast of Aliens, vidcasts and regular backer updates.

You can also support Aliens Expanded at the Producer level, which includes all the previously mentioned rewards, in addition to Producer credits on the documentary.

Aliens Expanded is expected to begin filming later this year, with an estimated delivery date of October 2023 for the digital copy of the finished documentary and December 2023 for the physical Blu-rays. Well, what are you waiting for, marines?! Assholes and elbows! Head on over to the Alien Expanded website and get backing!

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And I've put my pledge in! Gone for the Blu-ray and shirt. :)

I really want the Blu-ray and shirt package but £120 is a big chunk of change atm :(

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I have went back and forth with this over the years but ultimately I swear by the theatrical cut.

I used to have difficulty putting why exactly into words but here it goes.

I just do not like as a woman, the way James Cameron writes women, in both Aliens and his Terminator films his respective protagonist's destiny's to become mothers at the end of the day. Failing and then succeeding at that apparent requirement, with a man Michael Biehn assisting and instructing, them to do that.

So the Special Edition only exacerbates my issues with the writing and presentation of that particular theme.

I more often than not prefer the pacing of the original cut, but I do appreciate some of the added scenes and details. I like the derelict scene, the scene where Ripley finds out about what happened to her daughter, seeing Hadley's Hope before the disaster helps punctuate the tragedy, and the turret scene is pretty cool.

I also mostly agree with BlueMarsalis and others that the special edition really kind beats you over the head with the motherhood themes, which I think strips away some of Ripley's agency. Or at least pigeonholes her more, if that makes sense.

It's still there in the theatrical cut for sure, but it's not quite as obvious or present as the special edition.

I think the only thing from the DC that feels missing from the theatrical is the scene with the colonists. It helps smooth out the jump between "they're in danger!" to "hey uh yeah we lost contact", which is a bit sudden and convenient in the theatrical cut.

I love the cut from the Facehugger's fingers gripping to Ripley's fingers holding a drooping cigarette, I hate the Jordan family being the ones to find the derelict and one of them being the only survivor, just reminds me I am watching a fiction.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 09, 2022, 10:10:44 PMI hate the Jordan family being the ones to find the derelict and one of them being the only survivor, just reminds me I am watching a fiction.

Yeah I always thought it felt too convenient and coincidental that it happens to be Newt's family that finds the derelict and gets facehugged first.

That and other various things previously mentioned's why "perfect sequel" just reads as flagellation to me because I do not think that it is, such hyperbole benefits nobody and worries me that's an indication this will not have much insight of note.

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 09, 2022, 10:15:50 PMYeah I always thought it felt too convenient and coincidental that it happens to be Newt's family that finds the derelict and gets facehugged first.

I don't see a problem. It even establishes exactly why Newt is the one to survive.

I don't need the T-shirt but I'll take the disc version for sure. Would have been cool if the Producer/executive would have got a kind of " this is my favourite scene" or a " this was the first time I watched Aliens" sound bite in the final version or something, but I think they are dreaming for 10 to 20  times the amount for one word before your name in the credits, righto boys  :laugh: Don't think they really thought that one through.

I personally prefer the extended version as its just more of one of the best films ever made  8)

Those are actual credits, though. Pretty cheap way to get a producing credit on a project that'll actually get seen 😂

*Annoyed grumbling*

A couple of the social posts have been a bit strange. How do they argue Gale Anne Hurd was "unsung" when CDL actually went into some detail about her involvement in his documentaries? I've never read a making-of that didn't credit her considerable work in producing the film.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 11, 2022, 05:53:51 AMHow do they argue Gale Anne Hurd was "unsung"?

Probably amongst casuals, they mean. Not the best sign that this will cover new ground though.

Are casuals their target market?

Like if you give a shit about deep dive documentaries on the movie, you've probably seen the existing deep dives.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 11, 2022, 07:29:28 AMAre casuals their target market?

Like if you give a shit about deep dive documentaries on the movie, you've probably seen the existing deep dives.

Yeah it seems contradictory, but the only other options are deeply cynical marketing or being genuinely ignorant of all the other major Aliens BTS work.

Or the people new enough to be both deeply interested but not familiar with existing works, I guess.

For what it's worth, I attended a Q&A screening of the Terminator with Michael Biehn present and he denied any involvement with this documentary there.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 11, 2022, 09:58:00 AMOr the people new enough to be both deeply interested but not familiar with existing works, I guess.

Could be the case. Guessing this still doesn't have a release date? If it's intended to drop around the same time as the Alvarez and Hawley Alien stuff that could be an alright move on their part.

They're just discussion generation, folk. It's not just another behind-the-scenes look at the film. It's a component, sure, but as I keep repeating it seems to want focus more on the impact it had on people and on cinema, and as a franchise. CdL's involved in it too as a guest.

https://twitter.com/avpgalaxy/status/1568943266258718720

I wonder what he's up to now then.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 11, 2022, 11:44:03 AMThey're just discussion generation, folk. It's not just another behind-the-scenes look at the film. It's a component, sure, but as I keep repeating it seems to want focus more on the impact it had on people and on cinema, and as a franchise. CdL's involved in it too as a guest.

I think most folk are missing this point. Not sure if others have watched their previous docs but they are enjoyable.

I got my son's name in the credits of In Search of Tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/engineer_lv426/status/1568997043775098880?s=46&t=fcMl4xuYZrv8Wx-V8vDipw

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Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 11, 2022, 01:13:46 PMI think most folk are missing this point. Not sure if others have watched their previous docs but they are enjoyable.

I don't watch any of this stuff, I was just speculating entirely off the back of the post I replied to.

Their latest discussion piece said he "remains the most hands-on director in history".

I can't take this project seriously. I just can't.

They should re-title it:

Spoiler

Aliens EXPLAINED

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All being well - still nailing down the date - the producer/creator of CreatorVC and the writer/director of the documentary are joining me for a chat next week. Please feel free to share any (serious/genuine) questions you have about the project.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 12, 2022, 08:18:16 AMTheir latest discussion piece said he "remains the most hands-on director in history".

I can't take this project seriously. I just can't.

This type of stuff will do the opposite of what the documentary aims to for the reputation of the film.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2022, 08:18:32 AMAll being well - still nailing down the date - the producer/creator of CreatorVC and the writer/director of the documentary are joining me for a chat next week. Please feel free to share any (serious/genuine) questions you have about the project.

Feel free to rephrase it however you wish, but something to the effect of "how much homework have you done on the other deep dives into this movie, given the inevitable comparisons that the superfans will make - aside from the focus on influence and inspiration over the practical - what are the new insights you'll be bringing?"

I like Corp Dwayne hicks

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1570170619420868615

And even more new cast members announced!

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Random question: I plan on moving at the end of the year, but not sure on a place yet. If I back the project now, surely I'll be able to change my address before the bluray and stuff goes out, right?

That's typically the case with crowdfunding stuff like this. They finalize those details much closer to actual release.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2022, 05:01:10 PMThat's typically the case with crowdfunding stuff like this. They finalize those details much closer to actual release.

Ok awesome, thank you  :D
I've never actually jumped on a crowdfunding thing before, so this'll be my first!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2022, 04:05:44 PMAnd even more new cast members announced!

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/16092022_01a.jpg

There's some nice people here.

I don't see SM on that list, but I do see Alien Theory...

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Did you receive a request?

Will this finally lead to a consensus?

I'm not a world-class pundit.

You'd be a strong contendor for a Wildcard though. 

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 16, 2022, 09:54:15 PMI don't see SM on that list, but I do see Alien Theory...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/qpFg2k3Njuq2Y/giphy.gif

God damn Alien Theory  >:(  >:(  >:(  :-X

Good to see Charles De Lazrukia on the list though.

@The Cruentus  won't like this :'(  :-X

I hope someone politely points out to the production that all his stuff is plagiarised from other people.

Alien theory being in this documentary?! WTF lol, biggest plagiarist is involved in this documentary..... I got bad feeling from the countdown they made which revealed crowdfunding, and alien theory is now in this. I dont think this documentary is for me.

I can confidently speak for everyone when I say that this documentary needs SM.  They can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

Wait, I genuinely don't know about this. Alien Theory is a plagiarist? 

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 18, 2022, 11:45:30 PMWait, I genuinely don't know about this. Alien Theory is a plagiarist? 

Yes, and he denies it even though people, myself included, have proven otherwise.

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 18, 2022, 11:45:30 PMWait, I genuinely don't know about this. Alien Theory is a plagiarist? 

Behold...

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2354294#msg2354294

Maybe he's involved to comment on the originality of Aliens' screenplay?

Spoiler

and this documentary

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Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 18, 2022, 11:45:30 PMWait, I genuinely don't know about this. Alien Theory is a plagiarist? 

Behold...

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2354294#msg2354294

Thanks for the link! This is quite unfortunate to learn. I check out his videos here and there, but that may change now.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 18, 2022, 11:10:37 PMI can confidently speak for everyone when I say that this documentary needs SM.  They can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

I imagine a scene in which SM is interviewing the guest actors and then correcting them on things that actually happened in the movie, then they get up and storm out.

Quote from: Highland on Sep 21, 2022, 03:27:25 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 18, 2022, 11:10:37 PMI can confidently speak for everyone when I say that this documentary needs SM.  They can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

I imagine a scene in which SM is interviewing the guest actors and then correcting them on things that actually happened in the movie, then they get up and storm out.

Bonus points if he corrects them on their own personal memories of the experience.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2022, 08:18:32 AMAll being well - still nailing down the date - the producer/creator of CreatorVC and the writer/director of the documentary are joining me for a chat next week. Please feel free to share any (serious/genuine) questions you have about the project.

Recording this tonight.

Have fun.

The discussion is now up: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/09/28/we-are-investigating-aliens-from-the-fan-perspective-talking-aliens-expanded-with-writer-director-ian-nathan-executive-producer-robin-block-avp-galaxy-podcast-152/

Great podcast Hicks!

I enjoyed the "In Search of.." documentaries so I'm sure I'll like this too.

I have no problem with nerding out on Aliens. ;D

Is anyone who's backing putting their AVPG username for their credit name?

I was thinking about doing my actual name with my username after. Except i'll have to take out the space inbetween to make it fit the character limit (CosmicIncubation).

Anyone else found their social media advertising just super f**king obnoxious?

Quote from: SiL on Oct 03, 2022, 09:02:56 PMAnyone else found their social media advertising just super f**king obnoxious?

Extremely irritating.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 03, 2022, 09:02:56 PMAnyone else found (...) social media advertising just super f**king obnoxious?

It's not just them.

But, yes.

Probably because it's a fundraising campaign. I only have Facebook and that's just for keeping in touch with family. So I've not really run into a lot of Expanded advertising.

But since the fundraising is now over it will probably be comparatively quiet for the next year or more while they work on it.

Facebook is where I saw it all, and each post was somehow more ludicrous and sycophantic than the last.

I'm still pissed at them calling James Cameron the "most hands on director in history".

Quote from: SiL on Oct 05, 2022, 05:19:14 AMI'm still pissed at them calling James Cameron the "most hands on director in history".

He's definitely one hands on director in history.

I think the scope of the hype on this thing is going to lead to dissappointment. I kept seeing it pop up, too, and the only thing I can think is "Wow, they're selling this like it's the next Alien movie."

I can already see a lot of "S'alright." Reviews/reactions to it. No offense to anyone who has put in the hours of work on it... But it is still supposed to be a documentary. Gotta know your lane. 

Have you watched any of there previous efforts like 'In Search of Darkness" or "In Search of Tomorrow"? Or listen to the AvP Galaxy Podcast?

It's more of a celebration of the film with fans and the cast/crew/guests. The purpose is not specifically to uncover or learn more about the making of, which has been pretty exhausted already.

Basically, if you love aliens this is something  to collectively  celebrate that love. If you're not interesting in gushing over Aliens then this is really not something you will be interested in.

Considering the quality and success of their previous efforts I'm sure this will be fun.

To me its pretty clear it will be a fan made service tribute video to aliens rather than a documentary with a degree of internal fan amazment of the movie/ backpadding eachother and fan wank talk of how amazing thd movie is and hail it as the best movie ever etc. Kinda obvious from all pr on youtube, see an add for it everywhere... I will skip it, if its not a documentary trying to find new materials and how they made the movie and interviews with actors etc but interviews with fans about their experiences... I watch the quadrilogy docu rather.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 03, 2022, 09:02:56 PMAnyone else found their social media advertising just super f**king obnoxious?

All of CreatorVC's promotions for their stuff is annoying as hell on YouTube. With the In Search of Darkness docs it felt like they had half the channels I subscribe to all posting the same damn ad every other day.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 05, 2022, 01:21:55 PMHave you watched any of there previous efforts like 'In Search of Darkness" or "In Search of Tomorrow"? Or listen to the AvP Galaxy Podcast?

It's more of a celebration of the film with fans and the cast/crew/guests. The purpose is not specifically to uncover or learn more about the making of, which has been pretty exhausted already.

Basically, if you love aliens this is something  to collectively  celebrate that love. If you're not interesting in gushing over Aliens then this is really not something you will be interested in.

Considering the quality and success of their previous efforts I'm sure this will be fun.

Okay, but i'm not the one using the word "documentary." They are. If it's a celebration and tribute to Aliens, fine, that's fair enough. But if it's supposed to be a documentary and instead its just an hour of people saying "OH MY GOD ITS AWESOME!!!!" That's... I don't know. It's just not fitting what they're selling.

More like get new interviews with the cast and crew on how the film and its reception have effected their lives. Fans talking about why they love the film and how it's effected their lives. Talk about how it's impacted film and pop culture overall. Probably lots of other fun stuff.  Documentary doesn't mean it has to be an indepth "making of", it's a pretty broad term. Besides we already got that with the Quadrilogy, there isn't anything left in that arena.

Just because it's a celebration of the film doesn't mean it should be characterized as fan wanking back padding which just feels cynical for the sake of it. Shouldn't be anything wrong with fans exclaiming "OH MY GOD ITS AWESOME!!!"" about a film they like. Although it rubs a lot of people the wrong way I guess I don't really see the issue.

Anyway that's all I got, I didn't put my money in on this one so it's not likely I'll see it anyway.

I think it looks like fan-wanking back patting because that's how they've marketed it, not because there's anything wrong with celebrating a movie.

The amount of hyperbole, the sycophantic praise, and the strange touches of alienating members of the fandom with comments like "Aliens is undoubtedly the high watermark of the franchise" are just really unappealing.

I love documentaries that look at the cultural and industry impact of stories but when you're saying James Cameron is "the most hands on director in history", you're not setting yourself up as having a particularly good enough grasp of the subject matter to make an insightful point, y'know?

And it has Alien Theory.

The feature-length Quadrilogy / Anthology documentaries were very thorough - and their Enhancement Pods added to the thoroughness.

The last ALIEN doc offered little that was new, if anything? I don't expect this new ALIENS doc to be any different.

We talked about the use of the word documentary in the podcast actually and how I felt it was to their detriment a little bit. It's not intended to be like Charles' documentaries (who is featured in this btw), or to be like a big behind-the-scenes look. They want it to be a companion piece. They'll be behind the scenes components, but it'll be doing things like exploring the themes present in a scene, how it ties into the wider lore, and cultural impact (in terms of fandom and cinema).

I guess kind of more like a visual-take on the Minute-by-Minute podcasts that we've seen for various movies. It's not going to be like their other features they've done.

I always ask that "what are you going to do new" question of things like this. It doesn't always have to be some new tidbit from behind-the-scenes, as I enjoy the new approaches to exploring the content. Memory wasn't some enlightening new experience, but it at least had this focused exploration going on, even if it was a bit reaching in some of the analytic aspects of it. I wasn't the biggest fan of it, but it was trying to do something new and was certainly worth my time.

Besides, Rinzler proved there's always something new about the films buried in terms of behind-the-scenes anyway (because yet again, we asked the same question of the announcement of those books), and I know there's still drafts and details locked away that we still don't have access to.

It's a shame their advertisement has put some of you off, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do do with the approach they're taking. I'm quite excited for it actually, otherwise I wouldn't have agreed to get involved.

I was wary to begin with, but being an Aliens fan I filled out their questionnaire, I think I am the only one here to have actually said so at the time. The sycophantic praise in the ads have outright made me loathe this thing before it exists, and remind me so much unpleasantly of a certain crop of this fandom that want everything to be Aliens, you would think @Perfect-Organism on acid was running their various social media accounts. 

"Documentary" is a perfectly valid word for what they're doing for what it's worth.

They could call it a retrospective.  Like what Hubbs used to do.

Next time someone speaks to them maybe tell them that exclusively marketing the film to people who have at least once thought of dropping to their knees and felating James Cameron - while certainly a market segment they want to capture - is maybe a bit more limited than they realise.

I really hope the movie turns out well but f**k me I could go for hours on their marketing.

Do you never wonder what Alien 3 would have been like if Cameron had written and directed it?  It could have been a three-peat of greatness.

If he had wanted to, he could have. He didn't want to. Much the same with Terminator 3. He made T2 3D instead.

Personally? I think it would have been great if Ridley and Cameron had done a collab for Alien 3. Jim writing, Ridley directing. I could see that turning out as a solid end to the trilogy, depending on what they did with it.

On the other hand there are a lot of things to like with the Alien 3 we got. Which is why I liken it to being in an abusive relationship. It's not all bad, but the bad hurts me.

The only bad parts I can see will be good this year, and then we will have the definitive version, both in terms of quality and editing structure.

I do wish we had got Ridley Scott's and James Cameron's Alien V they planned instead of AVP.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1583911157563555840

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 18, 2022, 11:45:30 PMWait, I genuinely don't know about this. Alien Theory is a plagiarist? 

Yep, and there is several links here that show it too. Guy had the gall to come and try and deny it too.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 06, 2022, 12:53:52 AMAnd it has Alien Theory.

Someone should contact the production folks to alert them to that plagiarist.


I swear wikis really need to start being protected by more licenses. Although one of our contributors did manage to report and get a plagiarist's video taken down so that was good, but it does not stop them from doing it again.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1593729018649796608

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2022, 11:19:16 AMhttps://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1593729018649796608

What question hasn't Lance been asked? That's a tough one.

That's what his agent basically told me when I asked about coming on our podcast.  :laugh:

Am I wrong to assume he's getting paid to be a part of it? Did the crowdfunding help fund that? Totally understandable if so. Probably only does these things these days if he's getting dat cash money.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2022, 04:11:23 PMThat's what his agent basically told me when I asked about coming on our podcast.  :laugh:

Did you explain to him that we just love the sound of Lance's voice?

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 21, 2022, 03:23:22 PMWhat question hasn't Lance been asked? That's a tough one.

"Did you put the egg on the Sulaco?"

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2022, 08:19:06 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 21, 2022, 03:23:22 PMWhat question hasn't Lance been asked? That's a tough one.

"Did you put the egg on the Sulaco?"

I think they're trying to avoid everything NOT "Aliens" lol

Quote from: Engineer on Nov 21, 2022, 10:08:14 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2022, 08:19:06 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 21, 2022, 03:23:22 PMWhat question hasn't Lance been asked? That's a tough one.

"Did you put the egg on the Sulaco?"

I think they're trying to avoid everything NOT "Aliens" lol

But it would have happened during the events of Aliens.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 21, 2022, 10:14:58 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Nov 21, 2022, 10:08:14 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2022, 08:19:06 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 21, 2022, 03:23:22 PMWhat question hasn't Lance been asked? That's a tough one.

"Did you put the egg on the Sulaco?"

I think they're trying to avoid everything NOT "Aliens" lol

But it would have happened during the events of Aliens.

Is that consensus?

Ja

😂

Boring lol

A nervous Hicks' dealing with his first live podcast.

You will do fine

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1600612945012072469

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1600898450647912453

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1600913835858300953

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2023, 07:06:01 PMhttps://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1634647710501314562

Was a great session!

Release pushed back to Alien Day 2024. Which I'm fine with.

QuoteWelcome to our latest production diary and Happy Alien Day!



Before handing over to Ian for our production news, we have an important announcement to make. We have taken the decision to move the release date of Aliens Expanded to spring 2024, a year from now, to coincide with Alien Day on April 26 2024.

As Ian will explain in more detail below, this comes down to making the best documentary possible so that we can do this incredible film justice.

Here's Ian:

Happy Alien Day!
What better occasion to bring you up to date with how the production of Aliens Expanded is progressing? And progressing it is. I have recently completed my twenty-first interview and we are far from finished.

Indeed, there will be some exciting announcements very soon.

The documentary is definitely taking shape. The bones of the synopsis now have a layer of muscle and tissue. Organs are appearing. It's like one of those medical diagrams that show the insides of the human body, or one of Giger's glorious biomechanical paintings – a bit of weirdness is always to be encouraged.

Talking of which, Creature Effects Coordinator Alec Gillis, who can picture every model and costume he made as if it were yesterday, is so good on what he calls "the foundational work" of H.R. Giger – it was an entire language from which they could expand. He is convinced there wouldn't have been a franchise if it wasn't for Giger's visionary contribution.

While we were setting up the shot, with some of his maquettes silhouetted behind, a last-minute adjustment was made to the tableau at Gillis's request – there was a xenomorph he felt shouldn't be shown, one he had made specifically for Neill Blomkamp's aborted reboot-sequel. I couldn't make out exactly what was different, but it was a tantalizing glimpse into what could have been. And another line of enquiry for Aliens Expanded.

The big, on-screen names from the cast have provided such good material, but there is a unique texture you get from some of the behind-the-scenes artisans, people who went right back with Cameron to his Roger Corman days.

Model maestro Robert Skotak, for instance, is a treasure trove of Aliens lore, and he is a writer himself, having regularly contributed to Famous Monsters of Filmland and Fangoria. That is alongside his immortal model work, with brother Dennis, on not only Aliens, but Escape from New York, The Terminator, Tremors, Darkman, and Batman Returns. You have to love a credit list – he also did all the miniatures for Captain Ron. Skotak is a real night owl. It was 11pm, his time, when we spoke. But so worthwhile. He held me under his spell for the entire interview, bringing to life an entire era of hand-crafted special effects.


Here's an Alien/Aliens curio: Skotak mentioned how, prior to the sequel, he had worked on a live Halloween production of Alien with Bob Burns. Burns was the legendary genre aficionado and prop collector who mounted fully immersive, movie-themed Halloween shows at his house in Burbank, California every year, utilizing the skills of up-and-coming effects people – not only the Skotak brothers, but the likes of Dennis Muren, Rick Baker, and D.C. Fontana. Shows featured The Exorcist, The Thing, and Forbidden Planet. And in 1979, it was the turn of Alien. It ran on two consecutive weekends, with thousands queuing around the block. Such was the innocence of the age, that 20th Century Fox actually provided the original model of the Derelict and the xeno headpiece.

And that's how they got hold of the Derelict for Aliens, a little battered and bruised since production in 1978, but they spruced her up ready to use in scenes that would ultimately only make the Special Edition. Which means, technically speaking, production on the sequel began in the US, where all the background plates were shot for the Jorden family excursion to the Derelict.

I love this kind of detail, how it enhances the mythology of the film, exposing the grain of history, and the connective tissue between sequel and original. And also the sense of the movie tradition into which Aliens was born – not only in relation to Ridley Scott's masterpiece, but the history of science fiction and horror as a whole.

Scripting is gathering pace, and it is always a pleasure to see how bringing quotes together yields new directions. Incidental points grow into major themes, stories you think you know take on new dimensions.

The challenge that lies ahead is how to bottle all this nuance into a satisfying story.

With each interview, Aliens Expanded grows: historically, technically, anecdotally, and with a vital sense of the richness and personality of those involved at every level.

Which brings me to our release date announcement.
We have taken the decision to postpone the release date of Aliens Expanded to spring 2024, a year from now, to coincide with Alien Day on April 26.

This is good news. The documentary will only get better.

More time offers more flexibility to pursue yet more interviews with top tier talent. There is more time to finesse and shape a new species of documentary, to react to interviews and delve ever deeper, and also to continue taking onboard your ideas and advice from the recent backer consultation (which bring a whole level of detail in themselves) to pictorial elements. The opportunity to tell a better, more layered, and even more passionate story keeps, well, expanding.
By extending the production period, I am also giving myself breathing space in post-production, which will allow my editor to get their head around the frankly dizzying levels of material.
Put simply, I don't want to rush it. From the outset, it has been my mission to make the ultimate statement about our collective love of Aliens, and I don't want to short change my own ambitions, and most importantly, I don't want to short change you.

And to be fair, James Cameron delayed his Avatar sequel by over a decade!
In the meantime, the live events will be extended (more vidcasts, more live Q&As, more interaction). And we will keep you posted every step of the way.

I thank you so much for your patience and belief. This is a journey we are making together, and I couldn't do it without you.



Stay frosty,
Ian

I'm kind of glad I never heard back from them about an editing position.

Going to be some great interviews in this one.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1655963997751975936

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1657390898664054784

Good news. This doc wouldnt have felt fully comprehensive without his input.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1661794779754102787

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1703121758402789546

Glad to see this shaping up nicely, the only things missing seem to be Jim and Sig, but these were always a tall order.

Been a good while since I heard from this project. Looking forward to watching it.

They got Cameron.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1777773553036796209

HUGE!

This still isn't out?

Got in an argument with the CreatorVC CEO on their discord about the novelty (or lack thereof) of making the minimum price for the Blu-ray release be $100 and justifying it by throwing in a bunch of extra bullshit like posters and patches to jack up the price.

I argued for a less expensive version that didn't come with a bunch of extra nonsense. Here's some choice quotes I got as a reply:

QuoteThen your going to miss out unfortunately. Our work is for superfans who recognise the value of what we're creating with them and for them. Our physical media is personalised, highly collectable and a limited run. Backers get to have their names in the credits alongside the cast of Aliens and James Cameron. The value is immeasurable

QuoteThey way I look at it, is you either see the value in what we're offering or you don't. Our target audience shows up because they understand and appreciate what we deliver.

QuoteFor you, I'd recommend thinking of the posters etc as extras. The price we put on our limited edition, personalised Blu-Rays won't change. It'll be a timeless connection to the Aliens universe that you can always point to and know you will have been part of.  The way I look at it is that it's a manifestation of your fandom - and a little bit special because of it 💫

Worth pointing out that a "connection to the Alien universe" might have more weight if the project wasn't a fan project.
Like, my name is in the Alien RPG. That's a connection to the Alien universe.

Would it kill them to pull their heads out their arses.

Like, I want to support the documentary, but I don't know if I want to $100 support it, especially not if the CEO is going to have that kind of attitude.
I wasn't even the only person balking at the $100 price tag. I backed their "trilogy" set for 'In Search of Darkness' and I think I paid less than $100 for all 3 and it didn't come with a bunch of extraneous bullshit merchandise.

I'm tempted to call him out on that (among other things) but I don't know if I want to get banned from their discord for criticizing the project or something.

"I appreciate you want to give me money, but you don't want to give me enough money, so clearly you're not the level of fan we're aiming at" is certainly a bold f**king sales pitch.

The inclusion of Cameron made me think I'd take a look at this, but if it's $100 for a Blu-ray, then I'm out before I was even in.

Like, have they seen the economy lately...?

Yeah they can f**k right off with that attitude. "You either throw unreasonable amounts of money at us or you aren't a super fan". No. For that attitude, I will buy a fan-made duplicate for a crisp £10 with disc art and covers almost indistinguishable from the original where they won't see one penny, and spend the remainder of my £90+ "super-fan" money on official Alien merch instead. It's a fan project; the CEO needs to get off his god damn high horse. Anyone could do that. I contributed something to a fan-made Evil Dead project and was kindly acknowledged in the booklet. I didn't have to pay £100+ to be validated nor did I ever have delusions that I was suddenly a super fan *because* of it, nor did I become part of 'Evil Dead history' 🤣 What a complete and utter pleb.

Yeah the more I think about it the less interested I am in buying it, I'll just pirate it if I really care.

It's bizarre because I bought their "In Search of Darkness" trilogy set and it cost under $100 and didn't come with a bunch of random bullshit. Same with their FPS documentary.

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I just called them out on discord because the FPS documentary was $50 and the In Search of Darkness trilogy was $120 for all 3, and neither came with posters and other bullshit. If the Aliens one was $40-50 it would be a slam dunk.

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Edit, response:

QuoteAs creators we want to hang out with our backers on here, not constantly having to defend our value

Support related posts or complaints will be deleted and repeat offenders will be banned. It's just the wrong vibe

Very much makes me not want to support 'The Thing' documentary (which I was very excited for), or anything else they do for that matter.

And like, what about sales after the fact? I didn't back this thing, and I really don't care about having my name on the disc so I haven't been part of any wave of people putting down money on it to secure a disc now. If I want to grab it to watch it after it's already been rolled out, am I not enough of a "true fan" to be able to just order/purchase it like I would any other film? Am I still going to be paying that premium rate even once the credits have been locked?

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 10, 2024, 05:09:06 PMAnd like, what about sales after the fact? I didn't back this thing, and I really don't care about having my name on the disc so I haven't been part of any wave of people putting down money on it to secure a disc now. If I want to grab it to watch it after it's already been rolled out, am I not enough of a "true fan" to be able to just order/purchase it like I would any other film? Am I still going to be paying that premium rate even once the credits have been locked?

That's the bizarre part, for an allegedly "limited run" product, their "In Search of Darkness" trilogy was offered up after the fact (that's how I bought it). My name is not in the credits. Ditto with the FPS documentary.

Do they want people to actually watch this documentary? I'm not even going to think about throwing $100 for a dvd. If they don't do a lower tier price I am definitely going to be finding a way to watch it for free. But maybe that makes me an anti fan instead of super. This is kind of a joke, and I hate to say it. This whole thing has felt like a vanity project.

Its too bad because I liked In "Search of Darkness". I noticed a dip in quality with In Search of Tomorrow though and I'll be passing completely on this.

I was impressed that they had got Cameron on board but yeah, I did notice the price of the bluray being a bit high. But then they have got a lot of people on board and they aren't cheap to get all those people to participate in the interviews. They've done well to sort of get the project out there and get it noticed by people.

I know I shouldn't think like this but I kinda feel things like this should be free. It's not often I do take part in kickstarters but one of the few things I did was a Friday 13th Fan Film. I think it was $35 for the bluray and a big part of that was shipping.

I backed and bought the blu-ray back when they announced this, but I can't lie, all this does put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth about it.

All valid questions and concerns that they need to address and be more transparent about.

I backed Samurai Cop 2 and got blu-rays of both movies for no extra charge.

Also glad to see there are more legitimate reasons to dislike these guys outside of my petty gripe about how annoying their YouTube advertising tactics are.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 10, 2024, 05:19:31 PMThis whole thing has felt like a vanity project.

That's all it's been from day one tbh.

Quote from: Darkness on Apr 10, 2024, 05:54:13 PMI was impressed that they had got Cameron on board but yeah, I did notice the price of the bluray being a bit high. But then they have got a lot of people on board and they aren't cheap to get all those people to participate in the interviews. They've done well to sort of get the project out there and get it noticed by people.

I know I shouldn't think like this but I kinda feel things like this should be free. It's not often I do take part in kickstarters but one of the few things I did was a Friday 13th Fan Film. I think it was $35 for the bluray and a big part of that was shipping.

I'm also impressed with some of the folks that they got on, but yet, wonder why they have some fans on more than others. I would have loved to see the AvPGalaxy guys on this instead of some other fan sites that haven't been around as long. I also know for a fact that they didn't at all reach out to Stan Winston's old company, now known Legacy Effects, but they got ADI? Not sure the thought process here. So while I'm impressed by some names, I'm scratching my head at some of their decisions on who should be in it.

And I am also in the camp that this should be free. I'm not sure how to articulate it, but it feels like it should be free or on a streaming service to access. Hell, even a digital rental or something (Unless that's there and I've missed it). I know they eventually get these docs on Shudder and possibly Amazon, but that's a ways down the way and it's not guaranteed they'd even get it on a service.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2022, 12:46:29 AMI think it looks like fan-wanking back patting because that's how they've marketed it, not because there's anything wrong with celebrating a movie.

The amount of hyperbole, the sycophantic praise, and the strange touches of alienating members of the fandom with comments like "Aliens is undoubtedly the high watermark of the franchise" are just really unappealing.

I love documentaries that look at the cultural and industry impact of stories but when you're saying James Cameron is "the most hands on director in history", you're not setting yourself up as having a particularly good enough grasp of the subject matter to make an insightful point, y'know?

It's good to see they've continued alienating people and being up their own arseholes.

I have said it before and will say it again.

Nearly anything trying to ride the hype of "Aliens" appears to be f**king cursed.

I saw the same sycophantic "oh my god the greatest film ever made" shit with Colonial Marines.

It comes across as disingenuous nonsense to market a product by preying on the genuine love for it.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 18, 2022, 11:10:37 PMI can confidently speak for everyone when I say that this documentary needs SM.  They can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

That would make it worth the price.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Nov 06, 2022, 03:00:34 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 06, 2022, 12:53:52 AMAnd it has Alien Theory.

Someone should contact the production folks to alert them to that plagiarist.

I wonder if anyone ever got around to that.

I responded to their initial survey and mentioned that I'd worked with Fox etc if they were interested.  Not especially being on camera, but helping out in some capacity. I've been told other people mentioned the same thing to them on my behalf.

Never heard back.  The blacklisting continues.  ;D

I may have shot myself in the foot by saying it should be really in depth and not just a hagiography (but also they should make the doco they want to make and not do it by popular opinion). I get the feeling they went hagiography.  And including Alien Thievery... f**king lol.

Wait Alien theory is not good too. Damn its

Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2024, 10:02:14 PMNot especially being on camera,

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 10, 2024, 09:48:49 PMThey can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

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Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 10, 2024, 10:12:48 PMWait Alien theory is not good too. Damn its

They are garbage.

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Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 10, 2024, 10:12:48 PMWait Alien theory is not good too. Damn its

They are garbage.

People donate money to him for his "content." I attempted to caution some individuals about him and where he plagiarizes most of his "content" from, but the comments were promptly deleted.

Oh come on

Yep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PMYep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.

Other channels, like Alien Theory, have also engaged in this practice. I've encountered numerous videos from different sources that replicate the same approach. For instance, one channel created two videos about Parker and Brett, utilizing the images and screenshots from my article, and essentially reciting my written content with minimal alterations. While I acknowledge that my old articles, most of which are no longer accessible online, may not be of the highest quality, it's still frustrating to see someone else profit from my research and efforts without proper credit. It's a sentiment shared by many. Other members of AVPGalaxy have experienced similar occurrences.

Apologies for diverging from the main topic with this rant.

Don't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PMYep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.

Oh you mean something like this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/s/hvgkA2CHuL

Don't worry, I included an AT plagiarism shout-out down in the comments.

Nice, weird comment by that guy though lol

The only one of these In Search of docs I watched was the 80s action movie one, and that was more because it was an Oliver Harper project than anything.

Oooo I'm all caught up. Yep, no thanks.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 11, 2024, 12:30:35 AMDon't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.

Haven't you reached this point yet?

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I think it's time.

Agreed but I have had a lot on my plate. Don't worry I will get around to it for sure.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PMYep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.

Yep, the YouTube channel GoodBadFlicks was shilling for Aliens Expanded and I posted a critical comment and he deleted it lmao

Should'a known better

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 11, 2024, 01:41:09 AM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 11, 2024, 12:30:35 AMDon't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.

Haven't you reached this point yet?

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I think it's time.

I've thought about it a few times a while back, but you just end up looking like a bitter arsehole.  Thought about a lot more since the Hbomberguy video.  Unfortunately it means watching hours of Alien Theory reading everyone else's homework and honestly who can be rooted?

You have to get mad first.

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If that's possible.

I've always been mad.

Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2024, 06:57:26 AMI've always been mad.

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Honestly my interest in this thing died as soon as I found out Alien Theory was involved.

Nothing I'm hearing since is convincing me to change that standpoint :laugh:

My expectation weren't great initially mainly because between the CdL docos, the enhancement pods and the Rinzler book - is there really another films worth of material for this, or is it just people talking about cool gunz and sploshunz?  Then the saturation marketing on social media drove me spare and Alien Thievery was on the tail end of that (did Aaron and Adam get a call?) and I was like 'Yeah, nah, I'm good'.

I do feel sorry for the fans who put so much work into writing countless wiki pages and articles etc only for their work to be largely plagerised by youtubers who then get all the glory when it comes to media projects such as this.

If AVPGalaxy and Xenopedia are not involved in this then it does feel wrong. Just another nail in the coffin of the written word if you ask me. I dispair that we live in an age where we need an 8 minute youtube video to tell us a single piece of information that could be written in a single sentence.

Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2024, 03:27:11 AMI've thought about it a few times a while back, but you just end up looking like a bitter arsehole.  Thought about a lot more since the Hbomberguy video.

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ

QuoteUnfortunately it means watching hours of Alien Theory reading everyone else's homework and honestly who can be rooted?

I don't think people are going to get much traction behind them without something like this. I remember a couple of examples posted before but it was only a couple of sentences verbatim from Xenopedia (iirc). He has a massive audience that wont be convinced without a good expose.

I realize the irony of it, but I don't tend to watch a lot of Alien or Predator content creators. I read the hell out of articles and I listen to the other podcasters, but never been one for watching YouTubers. Collaborations have been suggested with him in the past, but I've always turned them down based on this stuff. But not all of the other podcasts have.

But I do think a new topic might be warranted for this.

Regarding Aliens Expanded. Obviously I'm biased because I did pledge for $140 for the physical media/shirt, and I did throw our support behind the project based on the pitch I was given that convinced me this wasn't just another Superior Firepower, but an exploration past just the making the film and will be posting about the Cameron announcement once some behind-the-scenes stuff is sorted and I can download the new trailer. 

I am disappointed to hear that criticism of the price was deflected with a "true fan" vibe to them, that is never the best approach imo. But the comments about the documentary being released for free are somewhat off base, I feel. This isn't like me trying to get interviews with people. I can't remember if this happened to me or another podcast I spoke to, but fan outlets have been asked to pay for interviews before and it's something that then get turned down.

These guys are a proper studio. Yes, it's not an "official" documentary but outside of the ones on the home releases, none are, but it is a professional setup with actual costs to cover, as well as trying to generate a profit to keep making more of these.

I've yet to see a cut of the documentary (I was too overwhelmed to watch a limited time screener, and I can't make the screening in London) but I'm still hopeful this is a deeper look at Aliens as I was convinced. Hopefully I wont have egg on my face about the whole thing, but we'll be finding out soon.

QuoteThis one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ

Precisement.

QuoteHe has a massive audience that wont be convinced without a good expose.

Precisement also.  Unless you could pin down literally dozens of examples, his fanbase isn't going to care. I'd rather get on with my own stuff.

Do you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄

Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 11:09:49 AMDo you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄

I don't think that's ever gonna happen. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are the two that were fairly maligned back in the day and to an extent, today. They're not as universal as Alien and Aliens.

Damn, the Alien Theory plagiarism stuff really disappoints me. Been a long time viewer of the videos he posts regarding Alien, and I guess I'm not here on the forums often enough to realize there's been multiple occurrences of it.  :-\

I know of Mr. H. - Any other big names in the fandom that tote themselves around as genuine but are really kinda shitty? I'd love to know who to steer clear of.

I think there was a thread where I posted videos and parts of our wiki to show the plagiarism.

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Here is the thread I think, or atleast one of them. https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2510534#msg2510534

How about project Acheron is he in the clear?

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2024, 10:38:08 PMGot in an argument with the CreatorVC CEO on their discord about the novelty (or lack thereof) of making the minimum price for the Blu-ray release be $100 and justifying it by throwing in a bunch of extra bullshit like posters and patches to jack up the price.

I argued for a less expensive version that didn't come with a bunch of extra nonsense. Here's some choice quotes I got as a reply:

QuoteThen your going to miss out unfortunately. Our work is for superfans who recognise the value of what we're creating with them and for them. Our physical media is personalised, highly collectable and a limited run. Backers get to have their names in the credits alongside the cast of Aliens and James Cameron. The value is immeasurable

QuoteThey way I look at it, is you either see the value in what we're offering or you don't. Our target audience shows up because they understand and appreciate what we deliver.

QuoteFor you, I'd recommend thinking of the posters etc as extras. The price we put on our limited edition, personalised Blu-Rays won't change. It'll be a timeless connection to the Aliens universe that you can always point to and know you will have been part of.  The way I look at it is that it's a manifestation of your fandom - and a little bit special because of it 💫

Worth pointing out that a "connection to the Alien universe" might have more weight if the project wasn't a fan project.
Like, my name is in the Alien RPG. That's a connection to the Alien universe.

$100 ??? What planet are they living on ?  :o

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 01:01:38 PMHow about project Acheron is he in the clear?

Not sure, I'll have to check that out. If he is then that is just one more to add to list to expose. Both AVPG and SM's videos are original and done well so there is no need for all this theft.

Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 11, 2024, 11:52:44 AM

Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 11:09:49 AMDo you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄

I don't think that's ever gonna happen. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are the two that were fairly maligned back in the day and to an extent, today. They're not as universal as Alien and Aliens.

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that.

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Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 11, 2024, 11:52:44 AM

Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 11:09:49 AMDo you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄

I don't think that's ever gonna happen. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are the two that were fairly maligned back in the day and to an extent, today. They're not as universal as Alien and Aliens.

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that.

How... Dare you?!

I'm going to sleep.

Fincher seems to talk about it a bit more these recent years if I'm not mistaken, who knows.

https://twitter.com/aliensexpanded/status/1778738240062718105

Ross Poulter, one of the Weyland-Yutani Bulletin admins called it a "phenomenal achievement. Done with heart."

It better be for the price theyre asking.

https://twitter.com/BMovieBible/status/1778482938641850848

https://twitter.com/johnneyred/status/1778794926295392381

Wow. I'm not paying $50 for a digital download and I'm not paying $100 for a blu-ray.

All enthusiasm gone.

Yeah, this is a scam no doubt about it. It shouldn't cost Nearly as much as 50

If this was maybe $20-$30, then I'd consider. But it still feels very high. Especially after they'd been funded since 2022, if I recall? I can't recall any other fan docs that I've supported being this expensive.

How much would be a digital copy of it?

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 12, 2024, 06:23:40 PMIf this was maybe $20-$30, then I'd consider. But it still feels very high. Especially after they'd been funded since 2022, if I recall? I can't recall any other fan docs that I've supported being this expensive.

Scuttlebutt is that this doc will follow the pattern of all their other docs where they have an expensive initial price and they say "this is the only time to get it! FOMO!" and then afterward they offer a no-frills version for cheaper.

Which is scummy as f**k and should not be supported no matter how cheap they make it.

Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:28:57 PMHow much would be a digital copy of it?

$50

Do they not offer a steelbook edition?

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 12, 2024, 06:20:48 PMYeah, this is a scam no doubt about it. It shouldn't cost Nearly as much as 50

It's not a scam, because there's a real product on offer that definitely exists.

The pricing is, however, as masturbatory as the crowdfunding comms and advertising all seems to be though.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

If a basic Blu-ray is $100, a steelbook would be like $300. f**k that noise lmao.

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Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

If a basic Blu-ray is $100, a steelbook would be like $300. f**k that noise lmao.

Even if it had a lenticular cover?

It'll end up on YouTube in short order no doubt.

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Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

If a basic Blu-ray is $100, a steelbook would be like $300. f**k that noise lmao.

Even if it had a lenticular cover?

That would just make it even more expensive!

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2024, 11:20:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 08:49:31 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

If a basic Blu-ray is $100, a steelbook would be like $300. f**k that noise lmao.

Even if it had a lenticular cover?

That would just make it even more expensive!

True, but...

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 16, 2022, 03:07:55 AMI'm a sucker for lenticular shit

 8)

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Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2024, 11:20:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 08:49:31 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

If a basic Blu-ray is $100, a steelbook would be like $300. f**k that noise lmao.

Even if it had a lenticular cover?

That would just make it even more expensive!

True, but...

Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 16, 2022, 03:07:55 AMI'm a sucker for lenticular shit

 8)

Well yeah, but I have my limits.

Even a cover made with actual Alien skin would be too expensive at that price for me.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

No but I hear there is a skullbook edition.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2024, 11:46:55 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 07:58:41 PMDo they not offer a steelbook edition?

No but I hear there is a skullbook edition.

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It seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

One the pledging period is over, they will no doubt sell digital copies of the documentary for a more standard rate.  Y'all new to crowdfunding or something?

I think everyone here understands just fine  ::) . Doesn't mean we have to like the price and as mentioned their previous efforts have been less expensive. Also their talk about real fans should be glad to pay up is ultra lame.

Quote from: SM on Apr 12, 2024, 08:55:27 PMIt'll end up on YouTube in short order no doubt.

For a short while, until it's taken down (if CREATORVC wants to deal with that).
This type of thing should not be encouraged.

100 does seem pricey, but there is also the 50 edition (it's less in EUR and pound).
The general buzz is very positive, and the main criticism besides the prize seems to be "No Sig".

I saw the rough cut a few months ago, and it was a bit too much "talking heads", and a bit less "interactive scene analysis" than they initially promised. But I know they are still making changes, and overall it was good.
There were perhaps 2-3 very good anecdotes (scene trivia) that have not been mentioned anywhere else.

$50 for 2-3 new anecdotes I'll be able to read about after it's released is a bit rich.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 14, 2024, 07:54:44 AMIt seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

And if they'd framed it as that without the "think of it as proof of your devotion" horseshit, great! Instead they decided to throw in some cringey fan gatekeeping nonsense.

We've always paid higher prices for crowdfunded things. We get it. But there has to be a line where it becomes too much.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2024, 09:11:21 AM$50 for 2-3 new anecdotes I'll be able to read about after it's released is a bit rich.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 14, 2024, 07:54:44 AMIt seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

And if they'd framed it as that without the "think of it as proof of your devotion" horseshit, great! Instead they decided to throw in some cringey fan gatekeeping nonsense.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2024, 09:11:21 AM$50 for 2-3 new anecdotes I'll be able to read about after it's released is a bit rich.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 14, 2024, 07:54:44 AMIt seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

And if they'd framed it as that without the "think of it as proof of your devotion" horseshit, great! Instead they decided to throw in some cringey fan gatekeeping nonsense.

English isn't my main language, I will try to rephrase that "2-3" anecdotes thing.
Theres a about 2-3 details shared in Aliens Expanded that are about the same level as "the speargun is still under the Narcissus door", if you look hard enough. I think that kind of stuff is really cool, especially if not shared previously.

Not an anecdote in the line of "this and that happened while making the scene", but there's a lot of that as well.

Theres a certain Reddit thread where people are going apeshit with negativism about this, but then its Reddit.

Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 14, 2024, 09:29:02 AMTheres a about 2-3 details shared in Aliens Expanded that are about the same level as "the speargun is still under the Narcissus door", if you look hard enough. I think that kind of stuff is really cool, especially if not shared previously.

Is that really all this thing has to offer?

Yep still not worth it.

It's never been worth it from the outset.

I'm sure some of the interviews are nice and fun but the film has been extensively documented already.

I'm sure I'll catch it on Shudder in a year or two.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 14, 2024, 07:54:44 AMIt seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

One the pledging period is over, they will no doubt sell digital copies of the documentary for a more standard rate.  Y'all new to crowdfunding or something?

The pledging period was over 18 months ago, this is a second round of preorders that's pure profit for the filmmakers. Buying in now is like buying a ticket to a 45th anniversary showing of 'Alien' - you aren't "producing" anything, it's already been produced.

According to the CEO, this preorder period is the only time you can get it (although he said the same thing 18 months ago for the initial funding). So unless he's a filthy liar preying on false FOMO, then no you won't be able to get it later at a discounted rate.

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Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 14, 2024, 09:29:02 AMTheres a certain Reddit thread where people are going apeshit with negativism about this, but then its Reddit.

Yeah, I made that thread.

This is sounding less and less appealing as more info comes out. $50 for a few bits of info that I most definitely will probably be able to read online the day this thing drops is not worth it for me. Even if my name would be in the credits with Cameron. I've literally been to the guy's studio, even stood in his parking spot. I don't personally need that, and I don't like the insinuation that the size of my wallet is related to how big of a fan I am.

From the little bits I've seen them post on social media lately solidified that too, I don't mind talking heads, but the moment I saw some of the other fan sites pop into the discussion in these videos, I felt an immediate cringe. They should have had Aaron and or Adam on. Most of those sites get their info from here anyways.

New ALIENS stuff is always exciting, but this just feels like a cash grab and vanity project. Especially with the funding being locked in almost 2 years ago. They could easily do a lower tiered version without the name in the credits thing, but they are giving a false sense of a digital scarcity, which is no different than an NFT to me.

And I'm still not sure who this thing is aimed at.

Is it for the super fans, who know it already? Casual fans, who might actually learn something but wouldn't be interested in $50 for a download?

Do they actually want people to watch the thing?

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 14, 2024, 09:05:17 PMDo they actually want people to watch the thing?

They want people to pay for it.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 14, 2024, 09:05:17 PMDo they actually want people to watch the thing?

Only if you're a super fan who coughs up the bucks.  Or just coughs up the bucks.

But it has Alien Theory though.

I deplore a lack of Mr H though.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 14, 2024, 09:35:50 PMI deplore a lack of Mr H though.

^{If anything, that's a minor selling point for me...}

Hey, hey. Like why bother watching this when we already have "Superior Firepower"? That I do own thanks to the more affordable anthology box set.

Well, it was affordable when I bought it.

This is supposed to be more about the legacy of the film than just behind the scenes.

Which further confuses who the target is. There's limited interest from casual fans or general fans of cinema. Die-hard fans already know it.

Their marketing has never really made it clear what the actual selling proposition is here.

Is it just supposed to be a 38th anniversary retrospective kind of deal? Who the f**k knows.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2024, 12:36:58 AMThis is supposed to be more about the legacy of the film than just behind the scenes.

Which further confuses who the target is. There's limited interest from casual fans or general fans of cinema. Die-hard fans already know it.

Their marketing has never really made it clear what the actual selling proposition is here.

Is it just supposed to be a 38th anniversary retrospective kind of deal? Who the f**k knows.

I got my retrospective hit from AvPG's own retrospective episode. Don't need to pay a hundred $ for that.

So you're not a super fan then, I take it.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 15, 2024, 01:04:14 AMSo you're not a super fan then, I take it.

Hey, if I have to pay $100 for a blu-ray  for a fan documentary of sorts to be a "superfan", I'll gladly not pay and wear "Not a Superfan" as a badge of honor.

Rather spend it on £100 worth of official Alien merch to be honest.

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 15, 2024, 01:11:50 AMRather spend it on £100 worth of official Alien merch to be honest.

Do they make Alien-brand broccoli?

Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 14, 2024, 08:44:08 AMI think everyone here understands just fine  ::) . Doesn't mean we have to like the price and as mentioned their previous efforts have been less expensive. Also their talk about real fans should be glad to pay up is ultra lame.

I'm not defending the pledge prices. Frankly, I think that the entire documentary is redundant, given the comprehensive pre-existing Blu-ray documentary.  Surely the inclusion of plagiarist Alien Theory is a bigger reason to get your panties in a twist. I mean, really, who cares? The documentary has all the worth of one of the several cast and director convention Q&As available for free on YouTube (where the same old questions get asked and the same old anecdotes get told).

Alien broccoli, guaranteed not to burst out of you.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 15, 2024, 01:04:14 AMSo you're not a super fan then, I take it.

The correct term is True Fan (TM).

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 14, 2024, 05:51:29 PMThe pledging period was over 18 months ago, this is a second round of preorders that's pure profit for the filmmakers. Buying in now is like buying a ticket to a 45th anniversary showing of 'Alien' - you aren't "producing" anything, it's already been produced.

According to the CEO, this preorder period is the only time you can get it (although he said the same thing 18 months ago for the initial funding). So unless he's a filthy liar preying on false FOMO, then no you won't be able to get it later at a discounted rate.

I don't disagree. If people are foolish enough to throw away their money on a second round of pledges, then that's on them. Not sure why anyone was excited for this documentary in the first place. It's not going to tell fans anything they don't know already. It's a waste of money at $50, it's a waste of money at $5, so... meh, I guess.

I can't quite muster the sympathy to feel bad for the saps paying silly amounts of money to have their name listed among thousands in the credits of a fan documentary; a name that only they will read, like Bart Simpson pausing the VHS of his Krusty show credit.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 14, 2024, 05:51:29 PM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 14, 2024, 07:54:44 AMIt seems folk here don't understand the nature of crowdfunding. $50 is not the cost of a digital download.  It's the cost to support the project and recieve a digital download, digital soundtrack and your name in the documentary's credits.

One the pledging period is over, they will no doubt sell digital copies of the documentary for a more standard rate.  Y'all new to crowdfunding or something?

The pledging period was over 18 months ago, this is a second round of preorders that's pure profit for the filmmakers. Buying in now is like buying a ticket to a 45th anniversary showing of 'Alien' - you aren't "producing" anything, it's already been produced.

According to the CEO, this preorder period is the only time you can get it (although he said the same thing 18 months ago for the initial funding). So unless he's a filthy liar preying on false FOMO, then no you won't be able to get it later at a discounted rate.

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Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 14, 2024, 09:29:02 AMTheres a certain Reddit thread where people are going apeshit with negativism about this, but then its Reddit.

Yeah, I made that thread.

It's fun to see you arguing with a guy named "Derek" about Alien Theory.

The whole "true fan" spiel has never not been utter bullshit whenever anyone's used it.

I expect it from no-name clowns on the internet, but to hear it from project of this scale is truly something.

I may have used it a while back, but not anymore. Maturing takes time. Not that I'm fully mature now though, you c**ts.

This project is the Trump's golden sneakers of documentaries.

I was expecting you to be angrier about this.  Are you getting soft?

Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2024, 12:36:58 AMThis is supposed to be more about the legacy of the film than just behind the scenes.

Which further confuses who the target is. There's limited interest from casual fans or general fans of cinema. Die-hard fans already know it.

Their marketing has never really made it clear what the actual selling proposition is here.

Is it just supposed to be a 38th anniversary retrospective kind of deal? Who the f**k knows.

It's for Superfans^TM, people who want to put money down so their name can be associated with Something Special^TM.

Yay !