Was there another “Big Chap” in ALIENS that we didn’t see?

[SM]

It's worth noting that in Cameron's vision, the so-called "warriors" are specifically NOT a different caste at all.

He said they were a mutation or different generation during production.  He wasn't making any real distinction between his and the original.

[Local Trouble]

No

#whinge

[SM]

There is no one to legitimately argue for "caste".

[Local Trouble]

@Xenomrph ^

[Immortan Jonesy]

I just came for the gifs!

[SM]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbzV1ZDk4dDZna3g1MmZ3bW9wMWU4c3lha3BlaTk0bW54NWxyaGZvbyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/XMSNcMmY2pPwWwhxzK/giphy.gif
@Xenomrph ^

[solace97]

But then in alien isolation they are all chaps and no warriors and they have been there for some time with a queen

[Local Trouble]

SM has spoken.

[solace97]

 

[oduodu]

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/the-drone-distinction/

i thought it may be good  sharing this. not exactly what the op was asking about....

[solace97]

Thanks for the read that was super insightful especially this snippet

Cameron saying, "We ditched the cowl and decided that this was just another generation of Aliens – slightly mutated." Years earlier he had told Starlog magazine that "Yes, the design of the 'warrior' adult was altered slightly," again conflating the two different Alien strains with one another (ie. Kane's Son is of the same caste as the colony Aliens). Cameron added that one reader's theory for the ridged and domed heads ("that the individual in Alien never reached maturity") is essentially "as good as mine."

I guess where the confusion for me lies is that they talk about both things I originally questioned...they do mention at one point there was a clear distinction between drone and warrior (the caste system) and then at another point it seems Cameron agrees that the big chaps are the early stage of the life cycle and then they advance into warriors/queen when necessary...

but what kind of throws me off is the genetic mutation...

Are they inferring that even though these aliens come from the same strand of eggs as ALIEN they are slightly altered because the queen has started producing eggs of her own? But would that mean all the aliens from the OG strand look different from the second generation Xenos? And would they look like warriors or drones?

[SiL]

Cameron always thought his adults and Big Chap were the same thing. Drones were something else entirely, smaller albino workers.

[Oasis Nadrama]

Yeah, they are these weird mini-aliens with a facehugger dick on the torso.

The albino drones appear in the first draft of AlienS, which also contains numerous curiosities such as the absence of Carter and Dwayne getting impregnated. They are not part of the current canon as far as we know (and as far as the word "canon" means something for the Alien franchise).

[SM]

They appear in late drafts too - so late they ended up in the novelisation.

[Oasis Nadrama]

Really? Damn, I don't remember this. I didn't reread Foster's AlienS since maybe two decades, though... Since it's my less favorite Alien movie by far, this book collects dust somewhere in the depths of my shelves.

It's always great to see what parts of the early drafts are used in his novelizations. In his Alien, the eggmorphing scene appears, although it doesn't evoke the eggmorphing process, but only clearly establishes Dallas was impregnated.

I didn't read the Alien: Covenant novelization yet (only Origins), but I hope some early elements once again make it.