Something which has been on my mind for sometime and this is something which I wanted to ask the fanbase. Exactly how many movies should there be until there is a stopping point? Looking at all of the movies so far, the AvP films included, we happen to have a total of five movies so far. With the sixth on the way, and no telling where this movie will be going, would this sequel be a good stopping point or should there be more at the risk of milking the series regardless of positive or negative reaction?
Should Shane Black's movie be the stopping point (unless the ending sets up a sequel) or should there be continuations? How many movies would you as a fan want?
Doesn't really matter to me. The Predators films have no overarching story, and each of the three can just as easily be looked at as their own movie as they can as part of a series. If the new film and any future movies stay consistent in that they are self contained stories, it could theoretically go on forever.
As for how long it should go on before it goes stale, some would certainly argue that it's already reached that point. I'm interested in seeing Shane Black's take, however, and would definitely be open to seeing the franchise change hands a few more times to see what some other directors can do with it afterward.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 15, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
Doesn't really matter to me. The Predators films have no overarching story, and each of the three can just as easily be looked at as their own movie as they can as part of a series. If the new film and any future movies stay consistent in that they are self contained stories, it could theoretically go on forever.
This is something which more or less which I could understand. The Predator movies are not really heavy with continuity, perhaps only two movies have a mention of previous installments, Predator 2 and PREDATORS referencing the events of the first movie. AvP was about to have a strong reference to the first movie but as we know, Arnold won the election for governor of 2004 and as such, his cameo had never happened. Thinking about it now the continuity of the Predator movies is a lot like the Leprechaun series. Each movie can be considered it's own or a long running thing.. Whichever is up to the fan.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 15, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
As for how long it should go on before it goes stale, some would certainly argue that it's already reached that point. I'm interested in seeing Shane Black's take, however, and would definitely be open to seeing the franchise change hands a few more times to see what some other directors can do with it afterward.
While I am cautiously optimistic about this recently announced movie, there is also this sense of no longer caring or being as excited for it. So I suppose I would be a bit biased in saying that I feel that the series as at that point. Right now I am just wondering where the new movie is going to go and where it will be set, that's what is what I am interested in now more than anything else and exactly what kind of Hunter we'll have.
I don't see an "end" in sight. I can see a reboot if the new one doesn't do business. But I do kinda feel it needs a good reboot. Predators, predator 2 and Avp and now the new one have all announced to be a predator sequel. Not one movie has ever really built off the previous one. They take ideas and concepts but they never really have followed a character like in the Aliens series.
Reboots are a part of life.
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They should keep making Predator movies until humanity dies. Why not?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 02:47:48 AM
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Quote from: 85 on Jul 15, 2014, 11:39:50 PMIPredators, predator 2 and Avp and now the new one have all announced to be a predator sequel. Not one movie has ever really built off the previous one.
In fairness,
Predator 2 was going to be a more direct sequel, but Arnie dropped out.
I don't think Arnie was ever in it to drop out to begin with...
Refused the role, then.
The more I think about it, the more I kinda wish he'd done it. An obsessive, villainous Arnie getting killed by a Predator would've been fun.
It would have been spectacular!
Oh well, I guess we have to make do with Dutch's brother and his pompous jocular police sidekick of Cold War and Concrete Jungle; Rasche.
His encounter with the IRS was perhaps the best one liner of the entire Predator universe.
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Two more sequels . Then I hope that will be over with .
Quote from: Randomizer on Jul 24, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Two more sequels . Then I hope that will be over with .
Why two more sequels? What story would you tell in these two sequels that would bring a satisfying conclusion?
One day they might stop making Predator movies altogether, but I don't see it's story reaching an end of any kind. Predators are an entire species, an entire civilization. To fully end the story, you'd have to wipe out the whole species. Which, unless they definitely were all evil, would make the human protagonists a bunch of genocidal scum for exterminating an entire race for what might be the actions of a few. Not to mention, being a space-faring species and all, probably weren't stupid enough to all still be living on the same planet.
I'd really like to know how fans would handle an end to the Predator series.
Probably how fans handled Star Trek: Make a reboot!
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 24, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
Probably how fans handled Star Trek: Make a reboot!
Which would probably to a full-blown remake of Predator, starring Vin Diesel or the Rock, with crappy CGI, and sequels all taking place in a jungle, on earth, in the same time period, starring the Dutch character taking on lone Predators, who'd all look the same, and use the same weapons and tactics.
Or maybe the Rock would play Dutch, then in the sequel, plays his blonde brother.
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 24, 2014, 05:41:51 PMWhich would probably to a full-blown remake of Predator, starring Vin Diesel or the Rock, with crappy CGI, and sequels all taking place in a jungle, on earth, in the same time period, starring the Dutch character taking on lone Predators, who'd all look the same, and use the same weapons and tactics.
You forgot PG-13.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 24, 2014, 05:41:51 PMWhich would probably to a full-blown remake of Predator, starring Vin Diesel or the Rock, with crappy CGI, and sequels all taking place in a jungle, on earth, in the same time period, starring the Dutch character taking on lone Predators, who'd all look the same, and use the same weapons and tactics.
You forgot PG-13.
Do most of the fans really want Predator movies to be PG-13? Because I was talking about how fans would likely handle a reboot, not Hollywood, though truth be told there might be little differences in how the two would handle a reboot and it's sequel(s).
There can be as many spinoffs and extra sequels as people want. As long as people are still interested in them, BUT there should be a special sequel starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Glover, which officially ends the original story with not wiping out the predators but convincing them never to hunt us again.
Quote from: Liberator on Aug 27, 2014, 11:05:26 AMBUT there should be a special sequel starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Glover, which officially ends the original story with not wiping out the predators but convincing them never to hunt us again.
:D No. They're both way too old.
Quote from: Liberator on Aug 27, 2014, 11:05:26 AM
There can be as many spinoffs and extra sequels as people want. As long as people are still interested in them, BUT there should be a special sequel starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Glover, which officially ends the original story with not wiping out the predators but convincing them never to hunt us again.
How would they convince the Predators to leave us alone, forever?
I must again ask how fans would actually end the Predator story.
Quote from: DUB1 on Aug 27, 2014, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Aug 27, 2014, 11:05:26 AM
There can be as many spinoffs and extra sequels as people want. As long as people are still interested in them, BUT there should be a special sequel starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Glover, which officially ends the original story with not wiping out the predators but convincing them never to hunt us again.
How would they convince the Predators to leave us alone, forever?
I must again ask how fans would actually end the Predator story.
Well, the movie needs to explain more of the backstory to the predators and why they hunt on Earth. My understanding is that they send their juveniles here as a rite of passage into manhood. Okay, so if it becomes too dangerous, they will stop sending their kids to their deaths. That is, the more capable humans are of killing the predators, the more dangerous it becomes. Dutch and Harrigan could easily have trained teams of special forces to be ready to take on the predators, and as our radar systems become more sophisticated we could even know exactly where and when the predators land. The predators hunt with huge advantages only, with barely any risk to themselves. They use invisibility cloaks, lasers, superior strength and agility, and infrared night vision. The more capable humans get, the less of a big advantage the predators will have and not that they are cowardly, but they wouldn't be able to train their young in this fashion anymore. That is the way I see it, anyway. The adult predators might be more tempted to hunt humans then, though, seeing us as more formiddable opponents, but it's inconsistent because they could hunt us anyway, and just use no advanced technology so that the odds are fairer. That is, these hunts are never done much for sport as it were. Even though the predators are collecting trophies, these hunts are very novice affairs for them. If it was about sport, they wouldn't use such advantages.
Broadening these perspectives, let's say the predators still came at us no matter what, like the more danger the better. Eventually it will turn into a war, and if the predators always have too far advanced technology then they can slaughter us no matter what. I think that would be stupid, but I also don't believe the predators would do that.
I don't think there needs to be an end to all predator stories, however. Not least for which, Predators deserves its own sequel, and in that movie they establish that there are some predators out there who don't abide by the same rules as the traditional ones do. I think eventually the expanded universe movies should be set in the future, when humans have much more technology.
QuoteWell, the movie needs to explain more of the backstory to the predators and why they hunt on Earth.
We know why they hunt on Earth.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 12:23:59 AM
QuoteWell, the movie needs to explain more of the backstory to the predators and why they hunt on Earth.
We know why they hunt on Earth.
Would you care to say what you think everyone knows?
Sport.
As Arnie alludes to in the first film.
Why else?
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 12:34:03 AM
Sport.
As Arnie alludes to in the first film.
Why else?
You apparently didn't even read my post. The original authors made the predator a juvenile trying to complete a rite of passage into manhood by his hunt. This is not established in the movie, but the predator was "not very sporting" even given what Arnie says to Ana. More or less, the predator demonstrated this by taking his laser and helmet off at the end to fight Dutch. In this particular case, the predator was saying he respected Dutch enough to fight him FAIRLY. Throughout the rest of the movie, the predator is nothing but an assassin taking no risks and easily picking people off.
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 12:43:58 AM
The original authors made the predator a juvenile trying to complete a rite of passage into manhood by his hunt.
I.. don't remember Jim and John Thomas coming up with any of that. Originally they had wanted to write about a clan of Hunters, where there were three Predators.. Ironically enough we happened to have gotten that film some twenty three years later BUT the point of that is this. I don't think Jim and John Thomas came up with the idea that Diablo was a juvenile Hunter.
The only one who said that Diablo was a juvenile Hunter was Paul W.S. Anderson. And that is something which.. I don't agree with, considering how experienced this Predator was shown to be in the first movie.
QuoteThe original authors made the predator a juvenile trying to complete a rite of passage into manhood by his hunt.
Well there you go then. Apparently you already know why they hunt on Earth (despite there being no mention of this) - so why does a film need to explain it?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 12:43:58 AM
The original authors made the predator a juvenile trying to complete a rite of passage into manhood by his hunt.
I.. don't remember Jim and John Thomas coming up with any of that. Originally they had wanted to write about a clan of Hunters, where there were three Predators.. Ironically enough we happened to have gotten that film some twenty three years later BUT the point of that is this. I don't think Jim and John Thomas came up with the idea that Diablo was a juvenile Hunter.
The only one who said that Diablo was a juvenile Hunter was Paul W.S. Anderson. And that is something which.. I don't agree with, considering how experienced this Predator was shown to be in the first movie.
You may be right, RakaiThwei. I remember reading somewhere that the first predator was a juvenile. In any case, I think for my idea to work the movie needs to establish within the movie itself the reason for the predators stopping, whatever it is. I think it would be a great, great heroic deed for someone to finally stop their hunts, and that would be the most fitting end for the original series. I'd still like to see separate sequels to Predators and AVP2, which I think should stand alone.
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 01:04:10 AM
I think it would be a great, great heroic deed for someone to finally stop their hunts, and that would be the most fitting end for the original series.
So what you want is a human superiority scenario in the flick? I'm sorry but those are a dime a dozen with plenty of sci-fi and horror films. I just don't see it happening and don't want to see happening in a Predator flick. If it does.. Sign me up for a full on reboot.
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 01:04:10 AM
I'd still like to see separate sequels to Predators and AVP2, which I think should stand alone.
A sequel to PREDATORS is more likely to happen and as much as I would love an AvP3.. I don't think the latter is going to happen. I'll say this, if both had separate and unrelated sequels with diverging continuities, I'd be down with that. But realistically speaking, I don't think it's going to happen whatsoever.. unfortunately.
I'm sure another AvP will happen at some point - but it won't be called AvP3.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 01:17:38 AM
I'm sure another AvP will happen at some point - but it won't be called AvP3.
You're suggesting a reboot or retcon in the sense of what Superman Returns did with the Richard Donner movies?
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 01:01:40 AM
QuoteThe original authors made the predator a juvenile trying to complete a rite of passage into manhood by his hunt.
Well there you go then. Apparently you already know why they hunt on Earth (despite there being no mention of this) - so why does a film need to explain it?
If it's actually established in the movie, then everyone can be on the same page. I could be wrong about how the movie was originally written. I remember reading somewhere the predators were always juveniles entering manhood. I think a lot of fans would also like more backstory anyway, just to get to know more about the predators.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 01:20:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 01:17:38 AM
I'm sure another AvP will happen at some point - but it won't be called AvP3.
You're suggesting a reboot or retcon in the sense of what Superman Returns did with the Richard Donner movies?
No, just an AvP movie with a story not linked to the others. A 'reboot' of the franchise a la Predators.
QuoteIf it's actually established in the movie, then everyone can be on the same page.
Where is it ever disputed that they hunt for sport though? They don't go after people who are unarmed, pregnant or otherwise deemed unworthy - and keep trophies. Isn't everyone on the same page already?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 01:10:36 AM
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 01:04:10 AM
I think it would be a great, great heroic deed for someone to finally stop their hunts, and that would be the most fitting end for the original series.
So what you want is a human superiority scenario in the flick? I'm sorry but those are a dime a dozen with plenty of sci-fi and horror films. I just don't see it happening and don't want to see happening in a Predator flick. If it does.. Sign me up for a full on reboot.
Quote from: Liberator on Sep 02, 2014, 01:04:10 AM
I'd still like to see separate sequels to Predators and AVP2, which I think should stand alone.
A sequel to PREDATORS is more likely to happen and as much as I would love an AvP3.. I don't think the latter is going to happen. I'll say this, if both had separate and unrelated sequels with diverging continuities, I'd be down with that. But realistically speaking, I don't think it's going to happen whatsoever.. unfortunately.
It's not a human superiority scenario. The issue is that the predators know that more and more humans are for the first time able to interfere with their hunts. Their hunters are just being outnumbered and surrounded, ambushed, etc. It spoils their hunts. I think this is why in Predators, for instance, the predators started teleporting the prey to their game reserve planet. That facilitates neverending hunts, but the question is how can the story end and how it should. We would know that the predators are out there in space, and that if they wanted to, they could blast us away with their ship. They are permitting us to stand up to them.
Would that just present a greater challenge to the Predators?
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 01:37:06 AM
Would that just present a greater challenge to the Predators?
After a while it reaches a point of almost certain death, or if the predators hunt in groups, then it becomes a war instead of a hunt.
So essentially they become pussies who pose no real threat. What would be the point of doing that to the monster in a monster movie?
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 01:54:00 AM
So essentially they become pussies who pose no real threat. What would be the point of doing that to the monster in a monster movie?
I wouldn't say they are weakened at all. Individually, they can still "waste" any human, and collectively they can still "waste" all of humanity if they so choose. A useful analogy, I suppose, is what nuclear weapons did to modern warfare. They lead to stand-off's, and neither side becomes "a pussy" for not being able to threaten the other does it?
Because the predators have all the advantages, they could do to humans literally anything. I want there to be hope for humanity, that is all.
But there already is - they get beaten by humans in three out of five films. Humans can't match them in terms of strength and technology, so they have to be outsmarted in some way.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 02:20:28 AM
But there already is - they get beaten by humans in three out of five films. Humans can't match them in terms of strength and technology, so they have to be outsmarted in some way.
Most people they hunt will still end up dead, though, and if it goes to the Predators scenario it's too grim. Think of the jungle where Dutch encountered the first predator, and let's say another predator comes there in 30 years or so (2017, let's say). The predator is killing people one by one. Ana contacts Dutch and tells him "it's happening again". Dutch is one of the only people who could help. The operation would be costly and dangerous, and Dutch would have a team of young soldiers to go in and do the actual fighting, but if it succeeds I think the predators would conclude that the jungle isn't a good place to hunt anymore. Dutch doesn't go there to capture the predator or get its technology. He goes there because he doesn't believe anyone should be left to be hunted down by the predator.
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I don't particularly want to know all about the Predators. I'd like there to be some mystery there.
Predator 2, for all it's faults, did do a good job of hinting at more about Predator culture without giving too much away. It was still mysterious. I wouldn't mind something along those lines, but I certainly don't wanna see a bunch of Predators sitting around at home saying, "Let's go hunt some hoomans, that'll be banter."
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 02, 2014, 07:44:16 AM
I don't particularly want to know all about the Predators. I'd like there to be some mystery there.
^ THIS!! THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!
We don't need to see the homeworld, we already know what their society is like so please we don't need a further examination of that and we most certainly don't need any Predator Kings or Queens, leave that shit in fanfiction.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 03, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 02, 2014, 07:44:16 AM
I don't particularly want to know all about the Predators. I'd like there to be some mystery there.
^ THIS!! THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!
We don't need to see the homeworld, we already know what their society is like so please we don't need a further examination of that and we most certainly don't need any Predator Kings or Queens, leave that shit in fanfiction.
I'm not against seeing the homeworld but if they show it then I like it to be like they showed it in AVP-R, it didn't really mess with anything showed in the previous movies. I agree with that they should avoid Predator Kings and Queens, I would rather have them in different tribes and they are all about hunting, each tribe have an alfa, like the Elder from the lost tribe in P2, if there are any females they would be used for breeding purposes, the ones who have birthed strong and healthy hunters, who survived plenty of hunts would be given a higher status in their society, if a female gives birth to a Predator who is born sick or weak, she would be forced to commit suecide. I know it sounds f**ked up but I'm going with the fact that if they aren't able to kill their selected prey they commit suecide, you could argue that they do it so that they can avoid capture. But in P2 we had Pussyface chooseing suecide over escape, when suecide no longer was an option for him, he desided to heal himself and made his way back to the ship.
Sp what I implying is that being successful in hunting is pretty important to them, it's a matter of life and death, so why wouldn't breeding strong hunters be looked at as the same. Besides in my eyes they are as evil as they have been shown to be over confident, every lifeform able to play their game is still a lifeform that's lesser than them, these lifeforms are regarded as prey while they are the hunters.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 05, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
I'm not against seeing the homeworld but if they show it then I like it to be like they showed it in AVP-R, it didn't really mess with anything showed in the previous movies.
I liked the planet which we saw in AvP-R. I don't think that there was anything wrong with that planet. However I just don't like the idea of the homeworld being the main setting.. It just invokes too many bad memories of reading Rodriguez's 1994 PREDATORS script. And a movie set on the homeworld is something I would really like to see avoided.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 05, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
I'm not against seeing the homeworld but if they show it then I like it to be like they showed it in AVP-R, it didn't really mess with anything showed in the previous movies.
I liked the planet which we saw in AvP-R. I don't think that there was anything wrong with that planet. However I just don't like the idea of the homeworld being the main setting.. It just invokes too many bad memories of reading Rodriguez's 1994 PREDATORS script. And a movie set on the homeworld is something I would really like to see avoided.
Agree with you totaly and there is so many other settings that could be used for a predator movie. Imo there are still many things about the Predator that needs to be showed in a movie before we get one on their home world. If they ever release a movie in the future where the story takes place on the home world then I hope they draw inspiration from old Sparta but instead of the Predators being warriors they would be hunters, that the focus would be on hunting and not warfare, if they ever did work for others it would be as bounty hunters not mercenaries.