There's a new article on Bloody Disgusting who have a source suggesting that Blomkamp's Alien 5 is being held up by Prometheus 2. Not a real surprise. They do speculate that Alien 5 will shoot in 2017 with a release in 2018. Prometheus 2 will be shooting next year for release in 2017.
QuoteWhile Twentieth Century Fox is still hot on the project, our sources tell us that they're being forced to hold off until after Ridley Scott gets into production on his long-gestured Prometheus sequel. This means a lengthy development process for Blomkamp's Alien, and a potential release in 2018.
"Alien 5 is still very much in the works, as Fox remains hot on the idea," our regular tipster tells us. "Blomkamp continues to work on the script (only an outline existed previously) and refine the tale he is telling. Ridley Scott is still producing, but has insisted on Prometheus 2 being made first."
Blomkamp will continue to slowly prep Alien 5 while Scott goes off and makes Prometheus 2 early next year.
But there's an even larger roadblock that's being avoided by the feet dragging. Our insider says the "delay" will allow Blomkamp more time to develop his project and afford him the ability to work around any scheduling issues that may arise in reference to Sigourney Weaver's involvement with James Cameron's Avatar sequels.
If all goes well, Blomkamp will likely shoot Alien 5 sometime in 2017, ahead of a release the following year. So that gives fans a one-two punch of Scott's Prometheus 2 in 2017 and Blomkamp's own Alien film in 2018.
Things are subject to change, of course, but this is the current plan, so says our source.
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3357432/blomkamps-alien-happening-youre-going-patient/
Hopefully this delay will give Blomkamp ample time to receive feedback and criticism and use that to solidify the script.
...and not retcon Alien 3+4.
:-*
Quote from: marrerom on Aug 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
Hopefully this delay will give Blomkamp ample time to receive feedback and criticism and use that to solidify the script.
Instantly my first thought. This is good news. Blomkamp's 2 year turnover did him no favours with Chappie. Maybe a longer preproduction period will help him refine the script and bring on whoever he needs.
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 17, 2015, 07:25:52 PM
...and not retcon Alien 3+4.
:-*
Yes, this goes without saying.
I can't say that I'm surprised by this, assuming that it's true. In looking forward to both films, so getting them back-to-back in 2017 and 2018 would be pretty cool.
Of note is the alleged insider source's quote:
"...not sure if Biehn's assertions about it ignoring 3 & 4 are accurate. It's basically far too early to tell on that front right now."
It's quite possible he went on an assumption, based on being only given an outline and told his character would be included.
Makes sense that it would be 2018. Looking forward to a stellar retcon of Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
I don't consider 'Prometheus' canon and I don't think any notice of it should be taken when making 'Alien' films. Then again, if it isn't stated that 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection' were dream, so instead it's just ignored, I won't consider 'Alien 5' canon either.
I'm glad Fox isn't trying to hold Prometheus 2 back in favour of Alien 5 (the more obvious earner). I feel like Prometheus needs a sequel way more than Alien does...
When I read this update.. I got the image of darkened, cloudy skies. I do not know why but this doesn't strike me as good.
Quote from: darkvegett0 on Aug 17, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Prometheus is a terrible movie and people who say otherwise are retarded
... Sooooo.... If I thought Prometheus was okay, as in, not the greatest movie in the series but definitely not the worst either, does that only make me half retarded?
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 17, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: darkvegett0 on Aug 17, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Prometheus is a terrible movie and people who say otherwise are retarded
Looks like I'm retarded enough to say otherwise...
I thought about replying to him, but just reported instead. Never done that before!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 17, 2015, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 17, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: darkvegett0 on Aug 17, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Prometheus is a terrible movie and people who say otherwise are retarded
Looks like I'm retarded enough to say otherwise...
I thought about replying to him, but just reported instead. Never done that before!
I'm glad to hear this... Trolls! Tisk! :-)
Quote from: marrerom on Aug 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
Hopefully this delay will give Blomkamp ample time to receive feedback and criticism and use that to solidify the script.
Yes, and if Prometheus 2 is as bad as the first film, maybe he can tweak his script to conform more to his original idea. I still don't like the idea of Bloomkamp having to modify his original vision to accommodate a sequel to a film that had such a poorly executed vision.
I'm pleased that 'Prometheus 2' is being prioritised. The first movie wasn't terrible. It wasn't great but it's merits lie in embracing a different angle within the established Universe and they were very welcome. Mind you, characters were the weakest part of the film. I'm hoping that characters are stronger in the sequel.
I'm so confused about 'ALIEN 5'. None of what Blomkamp has proposed makes any sense. Especially as it won't be released for a few years now. The script will change - it's just a matter of how much change at this point. I'm sure it's going to need all the time it can get in order to be a decent movie.
I just don't wanna wait years for the cinematic equivalent of 'A:CM'. So much more can be done within this Universe other than rehash already deceased characters. I'm not looking forward to that being the big drawcard.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 18, 2015, 12:03:03 AM
I'm pleased that 'Prometheus 2' is being prioritised. The first movie wasn't terrible. It wasn't great but it's merits lie in embracing a different angle within the established Universe and they were very welcome. Mind you, characters were the weakest part of the film. I'm hoping that characters are stronger in the sequel.
I'm so confused about 'ALIEN 5'. None of what Blomkamp has proposed makes any sense. Especially as it won't be released for a few years now. The script will change - it's just a matter of how much change at this point. I'm sure it's going to need all the time it can get in order to be a decent movie.
I just don't wanna wait years for the cinematic equivalent of 'A:CM'. So much more can be done within this Universe other than rehash already deceased characters. I'm not looking forward to that being the big drawcard.
-Windebieste.
I'm in full agreement with your post except for your outlook on what was the weakest point of the film. Although there were some terrible characters I also thought there were some spectacular ones as well. I personally believe that most of the problem came from poor pacing and
contrived elements; elements that were specifically used to contribute hastily to the tone a certain scene tried to achieve. Hence why a lot of viewers criticize the script.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 18, 2015, 12:03:03 AM
None of what Blomkamp has proposed makes any sense.
We still don't know
what he has proposed, aside from a return to psychosexual horror, biomechanical aesthetics and a preference for the '
Alien Isolation' presentation style.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 18, 2015, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 18, 2015, 12:03:03 AM
None of what Blomkamp has proposed makes any sense.
We still don't know what he has proposed, aside from a return to psychosexual horror, biomechanical aesthetics and a preference for the 'Alien Isolation' presentation style.
And the complete omission of 2 sequels already established within the franchise.
So we've got Alien 5 coming from Blomkamp; Prometheus 2 from Ridley Scott; and then all of this great material on the side in the form of games (Alien: Isolation), comics (Fire and Stone), and books (last year's trilogy of novels from Titan books; the upcoming Rage War).
It's a lot of stuff, and I'm excited for all of it...but one thing that would make me feel a lot more hopeful about the future of the franchise would be if 20th Century Fox were to maybe announce some sort of formal "story group," like the one announced with Star Wars and even more recently Transformers. The nice thing about announcing the creation of such a group, tasked specifically with charting the franchise's overall narrative going forward, is that it a.) serves as a nice, official "reset" of the plot up to that point, stabilizing and concretely defining what is and isn't canon as we move into the future, and b.) it lends confidence to the idea that there is an actual captain steering this ship. As much as I've enjoyed much of the Alien/Predator EU over the last few decades, one thing that has been severely lacking to everything that we've gotten is any sort of core structure; we've gotten tons of comics and books and games, many of them from very gifted creators, but taken as a whole, it's more or less just a hodgepodge of stories.
That approach has its advantages, I admit...but looking at the variety of different projects coming our way from Fox, Titan Books, Dark Horse Comics, and Creative Assembly, it strikes me that the smarter–and more satisfying– approach might be to do something akin to what Disney has done, tying in the projects of Del Rey, Marvel, and various other companies, in an effort to create a more cohesive tapestry. Putting an official story group in charge of the Alien/Predator/Prometheus universe seems, at least to me, to be the smart move. Thoughts?
So I guess it will be like this.
Prometheus 2 - 2017 (five years since the first film)
Alien 5 - 2018 (21 years since A:R)
Predator 4 - 2019 (almost a decade since Predators. God time is going by fast !) :o
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 18, 2015, 12:34:37 AM
And the complete omission of 2 sequels already established within the franchise.
According to the latest quotes, maybe not.
He's said they didn't move in a direction he personally likes, but that just puts him in the same boat as most people - Fincher, included.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 18, 2015, 02:05:12 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 18, 2015, 12:34:37 AM
And the complete omission of 2 sequels already established within the franchise.
According to the latest quotes, maybe not.
He's said they didn't move in a direction he persinally likes, but that just puts him in the same boat as most people - Fincher, included.
Wait... what?
First it's a retcon, then it's not a retcon, then it's a retcon again, now it's not a retcon again? The hell is going on?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 18, 2015, 02:13:58 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 18, 2015, 02:05:12 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 18, 2015, 12:34:37 AM
And the complete omission of 2 sequels already established within the franchise.
According to the latest quotes, maybe not.
He's said they didn't move in a direction he persinally likes, but that just puts him in the same boat as most people - Fincher, included.
Wait... what?
First it's a retcon, then it's not a retcon, then it's a retcon again, now it's not a retcon again? The hell is going on?
Lol. Welcome to the 'controversy' I mean confusion! Jk
Quote from: Bkbboy on Aug 18, 2015, 01:34:30 AM
So we've got Alien 5 coming from Blomkamp; Prometheus 2 from Ridley Scott; and then all of this great material on the side in the form of games (Alien: Isolation), comics (Fire and Stone), and books (last year's trilogy of novels from Titan books; the upcoming Rage War).
It's a lot of stuff, and I'm excited for all of it...but one thing that would make me feel a lot more hopeful about the future of the franchise would be if 20th Century Fox were to maybe announce some sort of formal "story group," like the one announced with Star Wars and even more recently Transformers. The nice thing about announcing the creation of such a group, tasked specifically with charting the franchise's overall narrative going forward, is that it a.) serves as a nice, official "reset" of the plot up to that point, stabilizing and concretely defining what is and isn't canon as we move into the future, and b.) it lends confidence to the idea that there is an actual captain steering this ship. As much as I've enjoyed much of the Alien/Predator EU over the last few decades, one thing that has been severely lacking to everything that we've gotten is any sort of core structure; we've gotten tons of comics and books and games, many of them from very gifted creators, but taken as a whole, it's more or less just a hodgepodge of stories.
That approach has its advantages, I admit...but looking at the variety of different projects coming our way from Fox, Titan Books, Dark Horse Comics, and Creative Assembly, it strikes me that the smarter–and more satisfying– approach might be to do something akin to what Disney has done, tying in the projects of Del Rey, Marvel, and various other companies, in an effort to create a more cohesive tapestry. Putting an official story group in charge of the Alien/Predator/Prometheus universe seems, at least to me, to be the smart move. Thoughts?
Welcome Bkbboy! Not a bad idea at all. But some of us are talking about a multi-verse which would basically establish several continuities that are self-contained. This is similar to what Disney did with Star Wars. It would be great though if there was a core team that was dealing with this and helping to organize things. Otherwise, everyone basically has their own head-canon which is not a bad thing, but for the uninitiated trying to start reading something? Good luck.
To BkBboy,
I wouldn't want a Story Group to determine what is canon and what isn't. Not everyone would be happy with a singular timeline and going about it how Disney did it with Star Wars? Well, that just divided Star Wars fans, so for Alien and Predator fans... that would further divide us.
As Perfect Organism said, some of us, especially myself feel as if a multiverse.. or at the very least, divergent and separate canons would be the way to go.. similarly to how Robocop, Halloween, Godzilla and Highlander have alternate canons.
Each thing would be assigned to a specific canon.
I think a multiverse is going to divide fans just as much as establishing a primary canon. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I guess we'll see in time...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 18, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
To BkBboy,
I wouldn't want a Story Group to determine what is canon and what isn't. Not everyone would be happy with a singular timeline and going about it how Disney did it with Star Wars? Well, that just divided Star Wars fans, so for Alien and Predator fans... that would further divide us.
As Perfect Organism said, some of us, especially myself feel as if a multiverse.. or at the very least, divergent and separate canons would be the way to go.. similarly to how Robocop, Halloween, Godzilla and Highlander have alternate canons.
Each thing would be assigned to a specific canon.
What RakaiThwei is saying makes sense. The AVP community basically inherited multiple continuities already from decades of mismanagement of the franchise by Fox. We already have completely different and incompatible timelines. That's a fact. So the powers that be can either choose to decide what is the master timeline (canon) or embrace the diverse nature of the story timelines within the AVP universe and allow for them to continue to grow in their own direction. I really think the latter approach makes most sense as it is very inclusive of people's preferences. If you love your elephant nosed space jockeys, enjoy! If you love your Engineers, go to town! If you love a reality with Aliens and Predators, so be it! If you can't tolerate Predators in your Alien reality, that works too! If you love Archie vs. Predator, wait a minute, that's going too far. Boundaries..
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 18, 2015, 03:21:42 AM
I think a multiverse is going to divide fans just as much as establishing a primary canon. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I guess we'll see in time...
We were never really unified to begin with. I can't recall a time we were.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 18, 2015, 03:25:54 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 18, 2015, 03:21:42 AM
I think a multiverse is going to divide fans just as much as establishing a primary canon. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I guess we'll see in time...
We were never really unified to begin with. I can't recall a time we were.
True, but at the same time, everyone has always been in agreement that the alien movies (original trilogy anyway) have been the primary canon. That goes away with the multiverse, and what little bit of unity we all had goes away with it...
Quote from: Gazz on Aug 17, 2015, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Aug 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
Hopefully this delay will give Blomkamp ample time to receive feedback and criticism and use that to solidify the script.
Instantly my first thought. This is good news. Blomkamp's 2 year turnover did him no favours with Chappie. Maybe a longer preproduction period will help him refine the script and bring on whoever he needs.
Exactly my first thought too. Whilst we don't know much, what we know of Blomkamp's inspirations for Alien 5 and what we've seen of his previous films leaves me with complete confidence that Alien3.2 is going to be a gorgeous looking film but know he has this time to really work on the project gives me the confidence that Blomkamp will be able to work on his weak points (script) and give us a nice and refined piece.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 17, 2015, 10:37:52 PM
I'm glad Fox isn't trying to hold Prometheus 2 back in favour of Alien 5 (the more obvious earner). I feel like Prometheus needs a sequel way more than Alien does...
As long as it helps Prometheus 2 come out good. As long as it helps both films come out good. I'm not too fussed on the release order.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 17, 2015, 10:45:22 PM
When I read this update.. I got the image of darkened, cloudy skies. I do not know why but this doesn't strike me as good.
The dark skies are your own negative connotations. This doesn't equate to a bad thing. At all.
Prometheus 2 Holding Up Alien 5
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ba/35/70/ba35704bc2913cea1f99b1877bee7246.jpg)
Ridley!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 07:20:19 AM
Whilst we don't know much, what we know of Blomkamp's inspirations for Alien 5 and what we've seen of his previous films leaves me with complete confidence that Alien3.2 is going to be a gorgeous looking film but know he has this time to really work on the project gives me the confidence that Blomkamp will be able to work on his weak points (script) and give us a nice and refined piece.
Speculation in SpoilerSpoiler
From what I see through NBK's work so far is that there is a political aspect both behind the conflicts and the themes of his films. I'm not genuinely aware of most films in his discography but from what I know of three of his most recognized films involve some form of controversy behind them. District 9 having to do with refugees, Elysium involving classicism and Chappie for it's surreal outlook on children and crime. It seems that he attempts to take his films in some sort of depth. The direction of either ignoring or omitting Alien 3 might be implying that he has some specific plans to broaden the Alien universe by addressing Ripley's conflict with Weyland Yutani moreover than the xenomorph itself.
What leads me to this assumption? Well, if Alien 3 did not happen I would guess that the Sulaco safely made it's way back to it's destination. If this is the case; most likely that Ripley, Newt and Hicks will take some kind of legal action towards the company and this time around there is a large amount of evidence behind the existence of the xenomorphs due to the value of both Bishop's report and the testimony of a marine whom has scars from the confrontations on LV426. The results that come out of this is still unknown to me seeing as I don't want to speculate too far in to it.
I personally believe that Weyland Yutani might have a bigger role in this film because of the fuel it receives from NBK's motives of creating more depth behind his plots. Now this is simply just theory based on very little information so there is not much beyond that. Please do not interpret as fact.
Well, it sounds as if both of the movies are floating further and further away into the future
Sorry maybe I should have chosen better way to express it. But Prometheus is the equivalent of Gearbox 's A:CM and I can't imagine how many alien's fans will go out and see P2
They need to convince us it will be worth our time.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 11:27:42 AMThey need to convince us it will be worth our time.
The big issue with the first was the trailers made you think exactly that... and then you saw the movie itself.
They'll have a harder go of it this time around though. I imagine many people will wait for reviews first. It doesn't have the good will behind it that Alien does.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 18, 2015, 12:03:03 AM
I'm pleased that 'Prometheus 2' is being prioritised. The first movie wasn't terrible. It wasn't great but it's merits lie in embracing a different angle within the established Universe and they were very welcome. Mind you, characters were the weakest part of the film. I'm hoping that characters are stronger in the sequel.
I'm so confused about 'ALIEN 5'. None of what Blomkamp has proposed makes any sense. Especially as it won't be released for a few years now. The script will change - it's just a matter of how much change at this point. I'm sure it's going to need all the time it can get in order to be a decent movie.
I just don't wanna wait years for the cinematic equivalent of 'A:CM'. So much more can be done within this Universe other than rehash already deceased characters. I'm not looking forward to that being the big drawcard.
-Windebieste.
I concur. : )
The biggest issue with Prometheus for me was how much of a backwards step the Engineers were in comparison to the original vision seen in Alien.
THe film had a hundred and one other issues but to destroy such a great design was heart breaking to me.
The concept didn't fuss me but the complete departure from Giger's aesthetic was criminal.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
The concept didn't fuss me but the complete departure from Giger's aesthetic was criminal.
Oh I totally agree, the concept was fine, them being the seeders of life is very interesting, the execution and human characters were pretty terrible though. And yes, the departure from Giger was indeed criminal......everyone tried to tell Ridley......he wasn't listening.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 18, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
I personally believe that Weyland Yutani might have a bigger role in this film because of the fuel it receives from NBK's motives of creating more depth behind his plots. Now this is simply just theory based on very little information so there is not much beyond that. Please do not interpret as fact.
Quite likely. There was an Alien 5 concept sketch tagged as "Weyland Yutani Headquarters" after all.
The "big bad company" is also a recurring motif in all three of Blomkamp's films. In District 9 we had the MNU, in Elysium it was Armadyne and in Chappie it was Tetravaal. All three of those companies were involved in weapons manufacturing and research and they all had an individual or individuals with questionable morals just like Weyland Yutani.
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
The concept didn't fuss me but the complete departure from Giger's aesthetic was criminal.
Oh I totally agree, the concept was fine, them being the seeders of life is very interesting, the execution and human characters were pretty terrible though. And yes, the departure from Giger was indeed criminal......everyone tried to tell Ridley......he wasn't listening.
I think there is an untold behind-the-scenes story there. On the one hand, we have Scott. From what I can tell, he has a long working relationship with Arthur Max, and it seems Scott gave Max carte blanche for the art and style of the movie. Scott has also said he wanted to move away from the grunge aesthetic and away from Giger's work, too. On the other hand, I think by that point, the Giger who created the Alien and the Space Jockey in the first place had left the building. I don't think Giger was ever the type to be "one of the guys" and just work with other artists on a project. He's always been a free spirit and a tour de force - It's his strength. The Alien is the way it is because Giger made it so. Space Jockey, same thing. Of course, he had help with all that; but he was in the driver's seat. He touched everything with his own hands, painted everything with his own brush. What he did was remarkable.
I'm not 100% on the timeline, but by the time Prometheus came along, he may have already had his stroke. And he was already not painting for a long time - IIRC, he stopped actively doing that around 1991..I don't think his drawings were as strong as his paintings. His paintings range from so-so to marvelous; but from what I've seen, his drawing style and technique are serviceable but not great. He did do some sculpture after that, but I suspect he was in no condition to be an active participant in the production of Prometheus. I also doubt he would have wanted to do it with Arthur Max telling him what to do. But unless the story comes out, I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 18, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
The concept didn't fuss me but the complete departure from Giger's aesthetic was criminal.
Oh I totally agree, the concept was fine, them being the seeders of life is very interesting, the execution and human characters were pretty terrible though. And yes, the departure from Giger was indeed criminal......everyone tried to tell Ridley......he wasn't listening.
I think there is an untold behind-the-scenes story there. On the one hand, we have Scott. From what I can tell, he has a long working relationship with Arthur Max, and it seems Scott gave Max carte blanche for the art and style of the movie. Scott has also said he wanted to move away from the grunge aesthetic and away from Giger's work, too. On the other hand, I think by that point, the Giger who created the Alien and the Space Jockey in the first place had left the building. I don't think Giger was ever the type to be "one of the guys" and just work with other artists on a project. He's always been a free spirit and a tour de force - It's his strength. The Alien is the way it is because Giger made it so. Space Jockey, same thing. Of course, he had help with all that; but he was in the driver's seat. He touched everything with his own hands, painted everything with his own brush. What he did was remarkable.
Well what I'm referring to is a couple of occasions in the Prometheus making of doc where the artists say "we told Ridley not to change the Space Jockey design......."
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
Well what I'm referring to is a couple of occasions in the Prometheus making of doc where the artists say "we told Ridley not to change the Space Jockey design......."
I think it was easier to do that without Giger sitting right there. But it's not like Giger was allergic to changes. He thought the alien queen was a brilliant addition to the family. Still, I think the Space Jockey was more interesting as this enigmatic creature grown into his chair. Proportionally, the original design didn't seem to leave room for legs. So, unless he had tentacles or something, it seems more likely that guy didn't move around a lot.
I think the exclusion of Giger was a sacrilege on par with killing off Hicks and Newt off screen. Giger's seminal design is the linchpin around which the entire Alien series pivots. Without Giger's Alien and derelict designs, the film would have been no more than a B-movie. It's a shame about how he was treated. Giger should have been involved in every Alien movie. There's just no accounting for class in Hollywood. I bet you they dedicate Prometheus 2 to Giger.
Really looking forward to Prometheus 2 and hope that we go back to more of a Gigeresque look.
I think it was a move away from the biomechnical. I don't think Giger's lack was a significant involvement was killer - he was an old fellow and not really doing movies - but it was the move away from his style. I can't remember where I read it but I remember something Max wanting to do something more natural - hence all the rocky appearances - and less biomechanical. There was some fabulous biomechnical concepts for Prometheus that showed they could have done it more appriopriately. I always forget the fella's name - Gutalin, I think it was.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 18, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
Well what I'm referring to is a couple of occasions in the Prometheus making of doc where the artists say "we told Ridley not to change the Space Jockey design......."
I think it was easier to do that without Giger sitting right there. But it's not like Giger was allergic to changes. He thought the alien queen was a brilliant addition to the family. Still, I think the Space Jockey was more interesting as this enigmatic creature grown into his chair. Proportionally, the original design didn't seem to leave room for legs. So, unless he had tentacles or something, it seems more likely that guy didn't move around a lot.
This has nothing to do with Giger. What I'm saying is that the designers who worked on Prometheus actually told Ridley to his face that it would be a bad idea to change the original Space Jockey design because it was so good. Ridley insisted they change it the generic tall man design that we got.
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
This has nothing to do with Giger. What I'm saying is that the designers who worked on Prometheus actually told Ridley to his face that it would be a bad idea to change the original Space Jockey design because it was so good. Ridley insisted they change it the generic tall man design that we got.
Those artists that worked on Prometheus, those guys didn't matter. Sorry, but they didn't. Their opinions carried no weight at all. They were hired to do what Ridley Scott told them to do. Scott had no reason to do anything they said. And I doubt even Giger's presence would have changed the outcome.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
This has nothing to do with Giger. What I'm saying is that the designers who worked on Prometheus actually told Ridley to his face that it would be a bad idea to change the original Space Jockey design because it was so good. Ridley insisted they change it the generic tall man design that we got.
Those artists that worked on Prometheus, those guys didn't matter. Sorry, but they didn't. Their opinions carried no weight at all. They were hired to do what Ridley Scott told them to do. Scott had no reason to do anything they said. And I doubt even Giger's presence would have changed the outcome.
No he doesn't HAVE to take their suggestions on board but he might think twice when A LOT of them say something is a bad idea.
Scott's last batch of films would be much much better if he didn't rush through the productions shitting out these line production movies.
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 18, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
This has nothing to do with Giger. What I'm saying is that the designers who worked on Prometheus actually told Ridley to his face that it would be a bad idea to change the original Space Jockey design because it was so good. Ridley insisted they change it the generic tall man design that we got.
Those artists that worked on Prometheus, those guys didn't matter. Sorry, but they didn't. Their opinions carried no weight at all. They were hired to do what Ridley Scott told them to do. Scott had no reason to do anything they said. And I doubt even Giger's presence would have changed the outcome.
No he doesn't HAVE to take their suggestions on board but he might think twice when A LOT of them say something is a bad idea.
Scott's last batch of films would be much much better if he didn't rush through the productions shitting out these line production movies.
Yes, it makes sense to think that; but Hollywood people may not be that reasonable. I think Scott's mind was made up by that point. As for his other movies, I suppose he's making the movies he wants to make, and maybe he's working faster because he's aware of his own mortality.
Just curious what do you want to see in Prometheus 2?? More drama or more scenery because that's all I saw for 2.5 hrs with some philosophy class in the foreground
I just want answers baby.
Hopefully this delay will give Blomkamp time to realise he should hire someone to write Alien 5 for him. And realise it would be better if he cast aside Ripley and Hicks to create an original film.
Prometheus 2 should have been put into production atleast a year ago. The first built up a lot of good faith but that's diminished for me.
Hope Fox realize the big mistake they're doing letting Blomhack touch the Alien franchise, after FF4 bombs I guess they wanted to test the field Prometheus 2, a sure money maker.
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Makes me suspect that the "Prometheus 2 starts filming in January" thing is just another rumor.
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Just sent a follow-up tweet for a little clarification.
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Makes me suspect that the "Prometheus 2 starts filming in January" thing is just another rumor.
Well it was stated as a start date in a reputable magazine when they were interviewing Ridley so it's assumed it came straight from him.
Only other scenario I can think of is that Blomkamp will be doing both movies or combining the ideas into one big story which I'd be totally fine with.
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Makes me suspect that the "Prometheus 2 starts filming in January" thing is just another rumor.
being held up by Predator 4 no doubt
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Makes me suspect that the "Prometheus 2 starts filming in January" thing is just another rumor.
being held up by Predator 4 no doubt
Imagine they actually bring back their AVP shared universe and make it canon? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 19, 2015, 08:01:53 PM
I own the Agent 9 fan edit on DVD which has the movie open with this, replacing the Engineer drinking on the waterfall.
I would be very curious to see that someday. Is the policy of this website such that I can't request hints on where to find it? Anyone?
By all means. We support fan edits.
Blomkamp ever tweet you back?
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Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 19, 2015, 08:01:53 PM
I own the Agent 9 fan edit on DVD which has the movie open with this, replacing the Engineer drinking on the waterfall.
I would be very curious to see that someday. Is the policy of this website such that I can't request hints on where to find it? Anyone?
By all means. We support fan edits.
Blomkamp ever tweet you back?
Afraid not. He hasn't replied to any of my Tweets so far actually. :(
He should. You represent the interest of over 18,000 fans. That's worth a tweet or two.
I'm sure he doesn't have the time to check the profile of everyone Tweeting him.
Oh phooey. You're the best known Hicks after Biehn. You're bigger than Remar!
xD I appreciate the comment.
Moved the discussion over is Weyland Corporation evil to http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53233.msg2074531#new
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
I just want answers baby.
They already did QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
I just want answers baby.
They already did QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.
And then those answers will be questioned! Lol, jk
Answers to old questions will lead to new questions and even more complexly nested matryoshka mystery boxes.
The whole thing is a joke. On the one hand you can easily say AVP is only canon to the Predator series, for instance, but this business of subdividing things and saying for instance that Promtheus through Blomkamp's film is the core story or just alien thru a:r is another or alien thru blomkamp or avp through a:r is canon... And then saying "Ooo it's a MULTI-VERSE" is just putting shit in a nice package. What it is, is simply - a mess, thats all. It was caused by Fox being opportunists, and jumping on whatever works in the moment, instead of calculating things, the way they did with Star Wars. And I would argue that Lucasfilm and Disney were responsible for that stuff.
Has anyone considered that maybe Blomkamps film will only undo Alien 3 or that it will ONLY remake Alien 3 and Ripley and Hicks will be prisoners at the end so Alien Ressurection is still canon? See? They can do that now. What I mean to illustrate is there is no turning back from the mess they've made. They can just do whatever and if this retcon thing is the way it is, they can just do whatever next kind of installment will generate the most profit at any given time. Include Predtors in Alien 6! Why not? We can just ignore it for the next one as soon as it isnt profitable again and then start from two movies ago or, or, or. Options are wide open from here. Multiverse? Please. A turd by any other name is still a turd. James Cameron was right Avp destroyed the integrity of the franchise. David Giler was also right, A:R ruined the validity of the franchise. But they wont fix it, because they found a way around that risk. And they are applauding themselves for it because it worked out from a business sense. The cards were played well. Now they have this massive tent-pole of two films coming out that everyone will see. Thats all they need to worry about. They f**ked it up and dont intend to fix it because once you make this kinda mess and havent lost the profits, you have opened up all options to capitalize on whatever new idea will sell. It's a resounding success that is working in their favor. Why would they fix it? Why close doors that are only flooding the house with money?
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 20, 2015, 08:52:30 PMMultiverse? Please. A turd by any other name is still a turd.
Preach, brotha!!! :D
I want a retcon of Alien. That film killed off the series two best characters, Parker and Brett.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 20, 2015, 11:32:10 PM
I want a retcon of Alien. That film killed off the series two best characters, Parker and Brett.
Hahaha sign me up, too! :D
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 20, 2015, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 20, 2015, 08:52:30 PMMultiverse? Please. A turd by any other name is still a turd.
Preach, brotha!!! :D
I also want to add that it is wrong to be angry at Sigourney Weaver for this. In fact, its her involvement in conjunction with Blomkamp and the sucess of Prometheus that is getying the film greenlit. She realizes if she doesnt take whatever angle is being pitched that will get off the ground - the role her life's work will be remembered for, will always end poorly.... I think its smart of her to jump at the opportunity to do something with it.
In that way, she is largely the one who actually wants to fix it. I personally dont think Blomkamp at this stage is out to fix it. He is just out to make the fan-wank he never got before. I think it will be Sigourney and Ridley Scotts influence that steer it jn the right direction.
The best thing that could possibly happen now? Fox or Scott Free or Weaver ask for story input from Cameron.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 20, 2015, 08:52:30 PM
The whole thing is a joke. On the one hand you can easily say AVP is only canon to the Predator series, for instance, but this business of subdividing things and saying for instance that Promtheus through Blomkamp's film is the core story or just alien thru a:r is another or alien thru blomkamp or avp through a:r is canon... And then saying "Ooo it's a MULTI-VERSE" is just putting shit in a nice package. What it is, is simply - a mess, thats all. It was caused by Fox being opportunists, and jumping on whatever works in the moment, instead of calculating things, the way they did with Star Wars. And I would argue that Lucasfilm and Disney were responsible for that stuff.
Has anyone considered that maybe Blomkamps film will only undo Alien 3 or that it will ONLY remake Alien 3 and Ripley and Hicks will be prisoners at the end so Alien Ressurection is still canon? See? They can do that now. What I mean to illustrate is there is no turning back from the mess they've made. They can just do whatever and if this retcon thing is the way it is, they can just do whatever next kind of installment will generate the most profit at any given time. Include Predtors in Alien 6! Why not? We can just ignore it for the next one as soon as it isnt profitable again and then start from two movies ago or, or, or. Options are wide open from here. Multiverse? Please. A turd by any other name is still a turd. James Cameron was right Avp destroyed the integrity of the franchise. David Giler was also right, A:R ruined the validity of the franchise. But they wont fix it, because they found a way around that risk. And they are applauding themselves for it because it worked out from a business sense. The cards were played well. Now they have this massive tent-pole of two films coming out that everyone will see. Thats all they need to worry about. They f**ked it up and dont intend to fix it because once you make this kinda mess and havent lost the profits, you have opened up all options to capitalize on whatever new idea will sell. It's a resounding success that is working in their favor. Why would they fix it? Why close doors that are only flooding the house with money?
Amen!
I vote damage control. As CainsSon lighted upon, they have really worked themselves into a shithole.
The real problem was not leaving Ripley alone after Alien 3. She had her arc and it was pretty much perfect. A:R took that away from her. As for the AvP films, I'm old school. They are spin-off's pure and simple. You don't create a multiverse into a series that has no grounds for it. My biggest hope for Alien 5 is that Blomkamp goes down the route of a new story in the universe, not create things that will overlap or breakdown the originals.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 21, 2015, 09:52:31 PM
The real problem was not leaving Ripley alone after Alien 3. She had her arc and it was pretty much perfect. A:R took that away from her. As for the AvP films, I'm old school. They are spin-off's pure and simple. You don't create a multiverse into a series that has no grounds for it. My biggest hope for Alien 5 is that Blomkamp goes down the route of a new story in the universe, not create things that will overlap or breakdown the originals.
The good thing about Alien Resurrection is that it is set so far in the future that you can pretty much ignore it without affecting it.
The absolute best solution is have a Ripley-free Alien film that just simply brings credability back to the franchise in order to pave the way for good quality follow ups and spin offs.
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Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 21, 2015, 09:52:31 PM
The real problem was not leaving Ripley alone after Alien 3. She had her arc and it was pretty much perfect. A:R took that away from her. As for the AvP films, I'm old school. They are spin-off's pure and simple. You don't create a multiverse into a series that has no grounds for it. My biggest hope for Alien 5 is that Blomkamp goes down the route of a new story in the universe, not create things that will overlap or breakdown the originals.
The good thing about Alien Resurrection is that it is set so far in the future that you can pretty much ignore it without affecting it.
The absolute best solution is have a Ripley-free Alien film that just simply brings credability back to the franchise in order to pave the way for good quality follow ups and spin offs.
Two-hundred years isn't really that long in the grand scheme of things. That was the era of Napoleon and if you look at a map of Europe and compare it to today, they aren't mutually exclusive in regard to recognition. The world may have changed technologically since then, but ideologically and politically we're
pretty much in the same glorious shit hole.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 20, 2015, 11:32:10 PM
I want a retcon of Alien. That film killed off the series two best characters, Parker and Brett.
Blasphemy! Lol
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 17, 2015, 07:25:52 PM
...and not retcon Alien 3+4.
:-*
My friend i am sad to say it will be erased NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 17, 2015, 07:25:52 PM
...and not retcon Alien 3+4.
:-*
My friend i am sad to say it will be erased NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such lazy conceptualization on Blomkamp's part. -facepalm-
This guy is getting on my nerves first he says he is not trying do undo Alien 3 then he tells Bien he is going to retcon it just be straight up if it is or not being holded up seriously this guy is getting to me.
He's said it's not being held up. Seemed quite a simple answer to me.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Aug 26, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
This guy is getting on my nerves first he says he is not trying do undo Alien 3 then he tells Bien he is going to retcon it just be straight up if it is or not being holded up seriously this guy is getting to me.
An alleged insider has been reported as saying that might not be the case. Read the article:
"...not sure if Biehn's assertions about it ignoring 3 & 4 are accurate. It's basically far too early to tell on that front right now."
I wouldn't put much store in what that "alleged insider" said. One of his statements has already been refuted by Blomkamp himself.
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Thread should've ended here. Locked.
Lock it down. :)
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Aug 26, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
This guy is getting on my nerves first he says he is not trying do undo Alien 3 then he tells Bien he is going to retcon it just be straight up if it is or not being holded up seriously this guy is getting to me.
It's pretty clear what his intentions are. He can't say anything conclusive until his final draft is approved by FOX.
Sorry I unlocked it.
Please Release , Both at same time , Don't let " Marvel have all fun ..
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 26, 2015, 04:58:23 PMThread should've ended here. Locked.
Why? "Being put on hold" does not equal "being held up by
Pro 2".
The former implies development hell. The latter implies scheduling.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 17, 2015, 06:26:52 PM
There's a new article on Bloody Disgusting who have a source suggesting that Blomkamp's Alien 5 is being held up by Prometheus 2. Not a real surprise. They do speculate that Alien 5 will shoot in 2017 with a release in 2018. Prometheus 2 will be shooting next year for release in 2017.
The Alien 5 IMDb page "Production Status" entry was recently updated and confirms that shooting is expected to commence in 2017. Keep in mind that this section can only be edited by the production company (or a representative) or an IMDb administrator so this perhaps makes it a little bit more official.
Assuming of course that an IMDb mod didn't just take BD's speculation as fact.
QuoteProduction Notes from IMDbPro
Status: Pre-production
Comments: Shooting expected to begin in 2017.
Updated: 22 August 2015
If we do truly have to wait till 2017/18 for alien 5 because of the Prometheus sequel then its a curse and a blessing. It gives blomkamp a good amount of time to ponder the story and plan for it. While at the same time gives us longer in expectation for the release of a film we have waited so many years for.
Just imagine the excitement of walking into that cinema, watching all the damn trailers, our years long wait prolonged by another 20 minutes and the movie starts and its everything we hoped it would be.
Now the negative side would be if it came on and we all hated it but part of me truly believes it will sate our lust for a good service to the franchise and to see giger's monsters on the big screen once again.
If it does turn bad though I would feel very sorry for blomkamp, since he would probably be hated much more than randy pitchford and that my friends would be a level of collective hate greater than anything before it lol.
Personally I think this is a good move. The fans will be more forgiving with Prometheus 2 if it goes on an even further tangent from Alien, knowing that they have Blomkamp's film to compensate shortly afterwards. Ridley Scott can now crack on knowing there won't be so much weight on his shoulders in terms of having to connect to Alien, which can only be a good thing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 27, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
Sorry I unlocked it.
About time someone did the righteous justice.
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Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 26, 2015, 04:58:23 PMThread should've ended here. Locked.
Why? "Being put on hold" does not equal "being held up by Pro 2".
The former implies development hell. The latter implies scheduling.
When you put it that way... rescheduling sounds nicer. Still I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the story yet. We surely deserve better than terminator genisys material, I think.
Everything happens for a reason. ;)
As a fan I find it rather nerve racking to know that an entire sequel is going to get picked out like spoiled fruit from a batch. Surely anything can be done well given the approach to it but we've had some pretty lack luster installments for more than 20 years now so I can feel the displacement towards this sequel. And I can't really imagine Neill being much of a fan of the Alien source materials ironically seeing as he might just remove an entire continuation from the series existence. :laugh:
Someone over at GAvP brought up a pretty good consensus when looking at most of the news for Alien 5.
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Sometimes it is nice to remain optimistic and hopeful but I'm not letting it blind me from something that is just logically a bad idea to begin with. Hell last time I had that kind of attitude was when the Stause Bros worked on AvPR and I'm not willing to put myself in the position of feeling that magnitude of disappointment again.
Of course, someone would have to try with the likelihood of failing in becoming worse than the Brothers Strause...
As long as Prometheus 2 happens, I don't much care if Alien 5 languishes in development hell. Nothing I've heard about it so far, and nothing in the teaser art suggests anything much to look forward to.
The fact that Ridley is producing and that it'll have to steer a path not to tread on Prom 2 is the only glimmer of hope that it 'might' be worth a look.