I mean what purpose does it serve? none of the films even use it. I don't know about you, but I'm sick to death of hearing about Young-Bloods, Blooded, Elites, Elders, Bad-Bloods and all that crap that the movies never bother to establish. the closest we ever got was AVP, where the supposed Young-Bloods (who are 100s of years old according to the director) become Blooded when they burn marks into their foreheads and masks. Wolf (the most incompetent Predator ever) is supposedly an Elite, but don't expect the movie to ever tell you that, just take the director's word for it because that's how story-telling works, right? Wolf DOESN'T even have the mark burned into his forehead. Not even the Leader at the end of Predator 2 had a mark on his head. You'd think he of all Predators would, right?
We have 5 Predator films with predators who all look the same, act the same, display the same level of skill and strength and none of them have the blooded mark on their heads or masks, so are we supposed to assume that every predator outside of Wolf and the AVP leader is a noob? f**k that! Based on everything I've seen and heard about The Predator: this isn't just another hunt, Captured is on a mission to save his race, he lets himself get captured in order to get his gear back and then breaks out like a boss and kicks ass all over the place ....but according to the Predator Hierarchy (established by none of the films): he's just a pathetic novice? Sorry but no, I'm not gonna accept that a predator who displays such intelligence and skill is nothing but a rookie, especially one that's on such an important mission. Not to mention the fact that his buddies are negotiating with the humans for the future of their race. So now rookies are qualified to speak on behalf of the entire Predator race? are the predators from the first two movies rookies too? All these questions brought up because of a stupid mark that's not on their foreheads. How about we go back to the good old days of Predator and Predator 2 and regard all Predators as equals? I mean, what's the point of this imaginary hierarchy other than giving sensitive predator fans an excuse whenever a predator loses? "He was just a young-blood, if Captured was an experienced Elite, he'd beat Upgrade without even breaking a sweat!" Can't wait for that inevitable post.
I've never bought into it myself. It's too Klingon, too ordered.
I prefer my Predators a little more fast and loose. They do this whole hunting thing for fun. That's part of what makes it both compelling and potentially scary. This thing coming after you is doing it because it thinks you're fun to murder. That's awesome.
As a kid I never called the "Lost Tribe" at the end of Predator 2 anything like a clan or a tribe. They were a hunting party. If you want to stick anything more onto it, City Hunter was up for his initiation into the brotherhood of bad asses, and the rest of the group were there as part of a ceremony that likely lasts for weeks or months. He had to find the worthy opponent in the city, stalk him, learn his ways, and draw him out.
Even the original AVP doesn't exactly touch upon this too much. Broken Tusk is the elder of the group, yes, and he is with a bunch of younger Predators, yes... But as far as the comic is concerned they might as well be akin to "the savage Indians" attacking a frontier town in an old western.
This world is obsessed with ranks and titles, all of which are fake. What's the first question many people ask? What do you do? IE: Socio-economic status; income and social status, both which are part of a belief system. They are not real. Yes, money is not real, it is mostly just numbers in a computer created by financial institutions out of nothing, but people worship it as a god. Rank and social status also are not real. But it is people's obsession.
There is no hierarchy, sorry to break it to people but you are not above someone if you have higher 'social status' or more money. Only in your mind. And you are not below someone just because of their title/rank and wealth.
But back on topic, I don't pay much attention to it. The first predator is a solo hunter, the tribal thing was introduced in Predator 2 and the comics and novels.
I indeed do agree about the ranks. It makes for good reading in the novels though.
I just always figured there were 2 different types of em' out there. The more experienced and stronger ones are called "predators". While the ones that strayed into another's hunting territory or that made stupid mistakes with the prey were called "it", "a freakin' alien", "a damn lizard" or simply "dead". ;)
I don't think them having ranks is a bad concept. All civilizations have established some form of hierarchy and we know they are a civilized species so... yeah. Then you throw those who don't want to play by the rules into the mix and things get even more interesting.
I actually enjoy all of it. And predator 2 seems to solidify the hierarchy you're complaining about. There's far worse things happening with the franchise at the moment in film and your gripe is the established culture that fits and makes sense? Guess you're looking forward to spider preds and predators in camo as well.
Quote from: YTL_Hunter_H2 on Jun 15, 2018, 03:55:46 AM
I actually enjoy all of it. And predator 2 seems to solidify the hierarchy you're complaining about. There's far worse things happening with the franchise at the moment in film and your gripe is the established culture that fits and makes sense? Guess you're looking forward to spider preds and predators in camo as well.
Predator 2 had an elder, no ranks. It's tribal, not feodal.
Personally not a fan of the overspecified ranks and roles.
Orginally, the predator was described as a redneck on a hunt, eventually strapping humans to the hood of his pick-up truck and then just go home after the weekend.
Of course there is a little more to it, like needing a prey of a certain threat to make it interesting. But other than that, it's up to us.
It's mostly novels that bothered with it, the comics where more akin to how both the movies approached it.
But there is a predator hierarchy at least for one of the tribal groups. However there has to be more than one culture in predator lore. Least to mention that the Predator are an intergalactic race right? And all of that tech has to come from somewhere. Good predators that want to help humanity must exist.
One thing is, the infinite possibilities of different tribes. One very strict, one more tribal, one slightly primitive, one high tech etc.
But like Winston said on P2: it has to look like one but at the same time allow itself to be different and unique.
Straying too far from the original is as bad as repeating that classic jungle hunter over and over and over.
I don't really like the whole society that's considered universal by many, too.
I think the creature has much more potential. But yea, it makes it more human-like, easier to accept.
Also, hunting is seemingly an important part of their culture, but may not be the only thing. Narrowing them down to only one activity is just not thinking out of the box.
The whole idea of honor is so relative anyway.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 14, 2018, 11:43:09 PM
I've never bought into it myself. It's too Klingon, too ordered.
I prefer my Predators a little more fast and loose. They do this whole hunting thing for fun. That's part of what makes it both compelling and potentially scary. This thing coming after you is doing it because it thinks you're fun to murder. That's awesome.
As a kid I never called the "Lost Tribe" at the end of Predator 2 anything like a clan or a tribe. They were a hunting party. If you want to stick anything more onto it, City Hunter was up for his initiation into the brotherhood of bad asses, and the rest of the group were there as part of a ceremony that likely lasts for weeks or months. He had to find the worthy opponent in the city, stalk him, learn his ways, and draw him out.
Even the original AVP doesn't exactly touch upon this too much. Broken Tusk is the elder of the group, yes, and he is with a bunch of younger Predators, yes... But as far as the comic is concerned they might as well be akin to "the savage Indians" attacking a frontier town in an old western.
In "Prey" though the whole society and its outlines are layed down. I like comics much more than books, I'd say.
About the lost hunters: I never thought about them like this, but I like your idea. I was vaguely about something: that city hunter was in fact Greyback's son or relative, and the hunters paying their respects to the elder were not because of rank or hierarchy, but personal sympathy for his loss.
They seem like such a competitive and egotistical species that hierarchy amongst them only seems like common sense. Of course to each their own, I get where people don't like to humanize a space alien that originated in a sci-if horror flick, but the fact that movies, books, and comics have either hinted or flat out depicted their society to be built on hierarchy only seems to make sense and natural given what we've seen from even the very first movie. They've mastered the art of designing and advancing their weapons and I highly doubt they are strictly used to hunt. There are likely wars amongst their own kind and maybe even other advanced space aliens.
I think we can all assume that there are different hunting groups/tribes who all have a general acceptance of laws/beliefs. Considering the fact that they are technologically advanced makes me assume that there are likely those amongst them who are like scientists or doctors. There's probably even some who choose not to hunt to the extent others do.
Only some of the books did because they focused on the species and needed motivators we can relate to.
The comics took the same concept and generally just kept the mystery. Only minor additions where added. Some expansion is OK, but most fanpages take it a few notches too far in terms of specifying what their culture is like.
The problem is that the societal structure and honor and all that ends up homogenizing them.
AVP, the movie, actually did quite a bit of damage to the visual look of the Predators. They all had the same armor, even thousands of years in the past. They all basically dress the same with the exception of one or two armor pieces and maybe a different mask. It homogenized their species almost to a fault.
I can just imagine in the Anderson version of predator world little timmy predator being handed his wrist blades at the age of 4, running around making child versions of the Predator roars. "RRuargh... Ruuargh... Ruarrghhh!"
We're not here to see Predator plumbers or Predator firemen. That's the problem with it. We're here to see the Predator species' equivalent to Duck Dynasty or (insert name of a hunting show here.).
You can stretch that in certain ways. Bad Blood did, by giving us a Predator "cop" and a Predator pyschopath... And the key reason that works is A. It's very clearly one individual and not a retcon of the previous films, and two, because it acts a beautiful contrast to the previous two films. This one has none of those tenants that we observed. We can imagine the Bad Blood in Predator or Predator 2, murdering Anna and Leona and the kid, and not even batting an eye.
You can even hear the problem resonating in the story of the game Predator: Concrete Jungle where it basically took all the bits of stuff we saw in Predator, Predator 2, and especially AVP, draws them all together, and basically makes it universal for all Predators. "Strict clan loyalties" "Rules" "Has to prove himself again as an unblooded youngster."
Between the first two films we got things that were far less overtly said and far more powerful for it. You can pick up the personalities of the individual Predators.
Jungle Hunter is a true hunter. He's quiet. He waits for his opportunity to make the first kill. He takes them down methodically and one at a time. He's impressed when he finds a worthy adversary, and ultimately it is blind luck that Dutch actually beats him. That final hand to hand battle is not a demonstration of Predator "honor" at all. I don't know why it get's twisted that way. Predator is basically saying "Aw'right mate... You're about as tough as yer kind comes. So let's have a little duel in the swamp."
City Hunter is zealous. He's ready for a fight, eager to leap into the action and cut down groups in swaths. He recklessly takes down three groups that are heavily armed, drawing a lot of attention to his antics. He demonstrates cunning and ruthlessness when faced with a group that is organized against him. When he's gravely injured he makes an almost cowardly run to home.
There is no indication that they are strapped by "strict clan loyalties" "honor" or any of that nonsense, and thank the almighty spaghetti monster for that.
Strict clan loyalties, unbreakable taboos, death and exile were all this one could expect.
I love how goofy that game is.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 16, 2018, 11:44:16 AM
They seem like such a competitive and egotistical species that hierarchy amongst them only seems like common sense. Of course to each their own, I get where people don't like to humanize a space alien that originated in a sci-if horror flick, but the fact that movies, books, and comics have either hinted or flat out depicted their society to be built on hierarchy only seems to make sense and natural given what we've seen from even the very first movie. They've mastered the art of designing and advancing their weapons and I highly doubt they are strictly used to hunt. There are likely wars amongst their own kind and maybe even other advanced space aliens.
Definitely with you there. In my mind, Predators do come across as if they could be egotistical and competitive – if their psych is anywhere similar to humans, I'd think that would be their disposition :D It would seem that a hierarchy of sorts would be a natural progression for them as a civilization.
Technically, we haven't really seen any credible portrayals of this in the comics/novels/movies. I think we've been given glimpses of what could be based on certain individuals actions in the comics, and some of the novels have made mention of certain classes like the Enforcer or the Philosopher (it's been a long time, so I don't know if there was another word used to describe this one), but on a whole I think the fandom has taken these small ideas that were introduced to us and made them much bigger then what they really are in the lore.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2018, 05:21:28 PM
The problem is that the societal structure and honor and all that ends up homogenizing them.
AVP, the movie, actually did quite a bit of damage to the visual look of the Predators. They all had the same armor, even thousands of years in the past. They all basically dress the same with the exception of one or two armor pieces and maybe a different mask. It homogenized their species almost to a fault.
I can just imagine in the Anderson version of predator world little timmy predator being handed his wrist blades at the age of 4, running around making child versions of the Predator roars. "RRuargh... Ruuargh... Ruarrghhh!"
We're not here to see Predator plumbers or Predator firemen. That's the problem with it. We're here to see the Predator species' equivalent to Duck Dynasty or (insert name of a hunting show here.).
You can stretch that in certain ways. Bad Blood did, by giving us a Predator "cop" and a Predator pyschopath... And the key reason that works is A. It's very clearly one individual and not a retcon of the previous films, and two, because it acts a beautiful contrast to the previous two films. This one has none of those tenants that we observed. We can imagine the Bad Blood in Predator or Predator 2, murdering Anna and Leona and the kid, and not even batting an eye.
You can even hear the problem resonating in the story of the game Predator: Concrete Jungle where it basically took all the bits of stuff we saw in Predator, Predator 2, and especially AVP, draws them all together, and basically makes it universal for all Predators. "Strict clan loyalties" "Rules" "Has to prove himself again as an unblooded youngster."
Between the first two films we got things that were far less overtly said and far more powerful for it. You can pick up the personalities of the individual Predators.
Jungle Hunter is a true hunter. He's quiet. He waits for his opportunity to make the first kill. He takes them down methodically and one at a time. He's impressed when he finds a worthy adversary, and ultimately it is blind luck that Dutch actually beats him. That final hand to hand battle is not a demonstration of Predator "honor" at all. I don't know why it get's twisted that way. Predator is basically saying "Aw'right mate... You're about as tough as yer kind comes. So let's have a little duel in the swamp."
City Hunter is zealous. He's ready for a fight, eager to leap into the action and cut down groups in swaths. He recklessly takes down three groups that are heavily armed, drawing a lot of attention to his antics. He demonstrates cunning and ruthlessness when faced with a group that is organized against him. When he's gravely injured he makes an almost cowardly run to home.
There is no indication that they are strapped by "strict clan loyalties" "honor" or any of that nonsense, and thank the almighty spaghetti monster for that.
I don't subscribe to the honor and clan loyalty either (well, not completely), but goodness I want something more than redneck Duck Dynasty predators :o That may have been the original concept, but I've definitely never gotten that vibe from any of the movies or media.
They're hunters, that's the point.
Yes, you can do variations on that, and like I said Bad Blood took it in a different direction, and yeah if you wanted I suppose you could do something equivalent to a group of Predator space marines. But no, the rest of it is silliness.
I don't disagree that the AVP movie homogenized the Predators; I think that bothered me most with the direction they took the Predator, even more than the redesign of the face. AVPR actually tried to break away from that and brought some individuality back with Wolf though. Some media outlets just take it to an nth degree to the point where it comes off goofy or cliché. But I think in general the concepts of hierarchy being a part of their society works perfectly for reasons explained above. When you look past the actual hunt itself and consider the amount of (ritualistic) planning that goes into their hunts; from deciding where and when, to who gets to partake, there is likely a load of politics involved that probably is best left out of a movie.
As far as honor or rules of hunting is concerned, I think Predator 2 really established this farther than the first movie (though I have heard some people argue that Anytime probably could have set his bomb to a shorter count down if he really wanted to be a poor sport and take Dutch out... but then again City Hunter had a conveniently long fuse as well). I can't imagine City Hunter impressing any one of his buddies with the skull of a child and the fact that he took an extra moment to reevaluate the kid with the toy gun makes me think that even he didn't want to have to kill the kid. The way the ending of Predator 2 plays out is arguably honorable for them considering. The fact that the Elder (or anyone else on the ship for that matter) didn't take matters into his own hands and end Harrigan for having reached their ship (and likely humiliate City Hunter in such a process) I think has to do greatly with honor and respect.
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 16, 2018, 09:05:43 PM
I don't subscribe to the honor and clan loyalty either (well, not completely), but goodness I want something more than redneck Duck Dynasty predators :o That may have been the original concept, but I've definitely never gotten that vibe from any of the movies or media.
I think the whole "honor" thing is what appeals to a lot of fans! Or I thought anyway. Their not looking to annihilate anything and everything even though they easily could with their weapons. It is a good time for them I'm sure but within reason.
Respect, yes. Honor, no. They respect that Harrigan managed not only to stand in a fight in single combat, but they he actually beat City Hunter. They begrudgingly respect a worthy adversary. Hence trophies. Every trophy is a story. A memory.
They don't kill the unarmed, and they don't kill women who are pregnant or vulnerable/of breeding age. Why? Because hunters avoid killing Doe's and Children. Being true to the concept that they are hunters. There's no sport in it.
Let's not forget that City Hunter had no qualms murdering an elderly woman on the subway. Yeah, she had a gun. But that's demonstrates what i'm saying. This isn't about honor. They do it for fun. Sport. Thrill. Honor is an entirely separate concept and it has nothing to do with what the first two films are demonstrating.
City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Allowing the "ooman" to track him and whup his booty all the way back to the ship and his comrades didn't help any.
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City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Allowing the "ooman" to track him and whup his booty all the way back to the ship and his comrades didn't help any.
they weren't suppose to help him. His hunt his fight he lost. They respected that. Need more of that significance in society these days. Own ur loss without depending on others and grow from it or in city's case die from it
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City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Allowing the "ooman" to track him and whup his booty all the way back to the ship and his comrades didn't help any.
they weren't suppose to help him. His hunt his fight he lost. They respected that. Need more of that significance in society these days. Own ur loss without depending on others and grow from it or in city's case die from it
My point was that he compromised opsec. He led a human right to their ship. No doubt that was dishonorable. Bringing his troubles and failures home, put others at risk.
Not to mention it's just a bitch move.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 04:44:06 AM
Not to mention it's just a bitch move.
Exactly. He got his ass handed to him and he runs for his buddies. Jungle hunter didn't. And what if Glover had been part of a military unit? What if he'd had authority to call in some serious heat? Could've brought some serious trouble back home with him.
Most of all, he set his gauntlet and was about to wipe out how many city blocks? That also happen to be full of women, children and the elderly. And with his brethren and their ship under a nearby building too. That's not gonna wipe them all out and call attention to their activities, no sir.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Allowing the "ooman" to track him and whup his booty all the way back to the ship and his comrades didn't help any.
:laugh:
Maybe they were thankful Harrigan got rid of him. :P
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 16, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
City Hunter brought shame to himself by being such an arrogant little shit.
Allowing the "ooman" to track him and whup his booty all the way back to the ship and his comrades didn't help any.
:laugh:
Maybe they were thankful Harrigan got rid of him. :P
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
Some type of hierarchy, yes, but not necessarily sg based on the hunt/ experience. As said before, and I agree, I think the creatures' society is much more than that.
Others not stepping in doesn't mean initiation, as I see. I think city hunter was just as capable as others. He even had more gear than jungle hunter. I think it just wasn't their business, they all were there for the sport, and that fight wasn't their game.
Yep. What I meant to say was that him bringing trouble back to the ship and also back to his comrades did not help their view of him any. They stayed out of it because it wasn't their business, but I doubt they looked favorably on him running back to home base.
Heck, he left his arm behind. Now the humans have biological information.
An arm, and a piece of a gauntlet, a spear tip(And he has no excuse on that one!), his friggn' bio-mask.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 17, 2018, 07:08:23 AM
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
I do think there was more to it than a mere hunt, given the ceremony with which they remove his body from the central chamber, and the way Greyback reacts in general.
I do find it interesting that originally, CH was to get his head taken off by Greyback. As in, executed for screwing up so bad.
Granted I made a reference to Duck Dynasty, but that's just the short hand. The same basic rules that hunters follow are the same basic rules that Predators follow. It isn't sporting to shoot a doe. It isn't sporting to kill a child. Nobody would look at your typical hunter and go "Oh, yeah, honor."
There would be no sport in gutting Harrigan on the ship. They hadn't earned that kill in anyway. If Harrigan had shown weakness in that moment of revelation. Like, trying to run for example, then yeah I imagine they would have ruined his already bad day, but because he was just as, in fact morose, courageous as one of them. They were impressed. Respect, dawg, you Original G. (Just imagine Greyback speaking with Tone Loc's voice.)
Honor might be a bit strong yes, i think respect isn't. They totally can respect an opponent that put up a great fight and impressed them in some way, that fits with the behavior we saw on film.
So i definitely agree with the "respect" angle of things, though i understand why people want to call it "honor" sometimes.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
An arm, and a piece of a gauntlet, a spear tip(And he has no excuse on that one!), his friggn' bio-mask.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 17, 2018, 07:08:23 AM
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
I do find it interesting that originally, CH was to get his head taken off by Greyback. As in, executed for screwing up so bad.
Ah I did not know this, that is interesting.
I think the thread's title threw me off for the message being sent. Just to be clear, I don't agree with AVP's interpretation of hierarchy, but the general concept that they do have it in their society I think is only a given. I don't think blooding is so out of the realm of possibilities for some tribes/groups to practice but the way that it was presented in AVP does make it sound like all do it and it does cheapen the experience of the hunters in the actual Predator movies.
I think it would be fair to also say that "respect" they can have for their opponents and "honor" is more how they rever individuals of their own species based on their skills, stories and accomplishments.
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Ah I did not know this, that is interesting.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator2/concept/storyboard02.jpg)
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Ah I did not know this, that is interesting.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator2/concept/storyboard02.jpg
And there it is, thanks for posting that and the Bad Blood clips!
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An arm, and a piece of a gauntlet, a spear tip(And he has no excuse on that one!), his friggn' bio-mask.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 17, 2018, 07:08:23 AM
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
I do find it interesting that originally, CH was to get his head taken off by Greyback. As in, executed for screwing up so bad.
Ah I did not know this, that is interesting.
I think the thread's title threw me off for the message being sent. Just to be clear, I don't agree with AVP's interpretation of hierarchy, but the general concept that they do have it in their society I think is only a given. I don't think blooding is so out of the realm of possibilities for some tribes/groups to practice but the way that it was presented in AVP does make it sound like all do it and it does cheapen the experience of the hunters in the actual Predator movies.
I think it would be fair to also say that "respect" they can have for their opponents and "honor" is more how they rever individuals of their own species based on their skills, stories and accomplishments.
Respect and honor are related too, at least imo – they can definitely live in the same space and in the end, it could just boil down to semantics depending on how you apply the
idea. I guess for some people, they'd argue that in order to be capable of respect, you must possess a sense of honor to begin with - but that's more along the philosophical side of things which isn't my bag :P So anyway, because of this, it's reasonable to believe that Predators place some level of importance on honor, even though we haven't been outright shown it in the movies.
I like to think of my Predators as less virtuous ;D ;D ;D but I can see where the honor point of view comes from.
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An example could be with Broken Tusk when he tried to save Dr. (got to pull out my AVP omnibus now watch out) Revna when he was strapped to that gurney in the lab.
Ah, but that was down to the rules of the hunt.
Predators were there to fight and train against a contained group of aliens. Not to go around slaughtering humans. Killing Revna would have not only gone against their hunting rules, but also gone against the rules to this particular hunt. Those younger Predators were real assholes in that comic. Poor doggo.
Nothing wrong with a rough ranking system...why would the predators, an intelligent combat-oriented species, not have one? Surely hunters of different skill level/depth of experience will order themselves into a rough hierarchy?
Oh there's nothing wrong with them having a hierarchy. The problem is when it becomes a focal point.
The Klingons got trashed pretty badly because of the emphasis on them being "warriors" and having "honor." Every Klingon story started being about honor, and warriors heart, and to be a warrior is to be klingon, and protecting the honor of the house is a warriors duty. Some of the dialogue they gave to the Klingon characters was so circular and vacant that it just ruined all the bite they used to have as characters.
It got in the way of later Klingon characters from developing individual personalities. They were all harping about this same mudane, dull, plodding, GNDN stuff.
What's great about the first film is that everything we learn about the Predator's behavior is basically observational. "He came in to get the body... He's killing us one at a time." "..Like a hunter." "No! Leave it. He didn't kill you cause you were unarmed... No sport."
These theories end up being proven. There's some kind of a code there, but it's not locked down.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
An arm, and a piece of a gauntlet, a spear tip(And he has no excuse on that one!), his friggn' bio-mask.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 17, 2018, 07:08:23 AM
The hunt in Predator 2 seemed to hold more meaning than a bunch of hick aliens getting their thrill on just another hunt. The fact that none of the others stepped in makes me think that it was some sort of coming of age ritual that City Hunter failed to complete (on many levels as has been pointed out)... which reverts back to the idea that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst them when they go on these glorified hunting trips.
I do find it interesting that originally, CH was to get his head taken off by Greyback. As in, executed for screwing up so bad.
Ah I did not know this, that is interesting.
I think the thread's title threw me off for the message being sent. Just to be clear, I don't agree with AVP's interpretation of hierarchy, but the general concept that they do have it in their society I think is only a given. I don't think blooding is so out of the realm of possibilities for some tribes/groups to practice but the way that it was presented in AVP does make it sound like all do it and it does cheapen the experience of the hunters in the actual Predator movies.
I think it would be fair to also say that "respect" they can have for their opponents and "honor" is more how they rever individuals of their own species based on their skills, stories and accomplishments.
Respect and honor are related too, at least imo – they can definitely live in the same space and in the end, it could just boil down to semantics depending on how you apply the idea. I guess for some people, they'd argue that in order to be capable of respect, you must possess a sense of honor to begin with - but that's more along the philosophical side of things which isn't my bag :P So anyway, because of this, it's reasonable to believe that Predators place some level of importance on honor, even though we haven't been outright shown it in the movies.
I like to think of my Predators as less virtuous ;D ;D ;D but I can see where the honor point of view comes from.
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An example could be with Broken Tusk when he tried to save Dr. (got to pull out my AVP omnibus now watch out) Revna when he was strapped to that gurney in the lab.
Yeah there is definitely that blurred line between the two terms. "If it quacks like a duck"...
Haha, I love the less virtuous Predators but there's no doubt I have a guilty pleasure for the cheesy, honorable/friendly ones. You'll see me smiling from ear to ear when I watch or read about them. ;D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 09:05:39 PM
Ah, but that was down to the rules of the hunt.
Predators were there to fight and train against a contained group of aliens. Not to go around slaughtering humans. Killing Revna would have not only gone against their hunting rules, but also gone against the rules to this particular hunt. Those younger Predators were real assholes in that comic. Poor doggo.
Not sure how different the comic is but the book is all about the honor system. He also respected Dr. Revna for saving him... and yeah the younger Predators were assholes.
So we can assume that there are rules or codes for their hunts and when those rules are broken there is some form of repercussion. The disgraced hunter is deemed... dis
honorable? Hypothetically, had they gone with the idea of Elder beheading CH at the end of P2, you could argue that it is implied that CH was dishonorable to Greyback. Of curse we didn't get that ending and I kind of suspect this was because they wanted Harrigan to overcome the beast and the ending was left vague enough for interpretations.
Greyback still looks unimpressed at the end, almost like "pick his ass up, we're leaving in 5".
The novel is basically just the expanded version of events. The comic, to it's credit, is actually framed and paced very much like a film. It almost feels like colorized storyboards at times.
Revna goes out to Iwa Gorge (or was it Bereki Canyon? I can't remember which was which.) and finds the Predator hunting party has landed. Before he can really react he ends up driving his hover craft into Broken Tusk and destroying their landing craft.
It's literally handled in about two pages worth of panels. One of the other Predators picks up a roasted human skull and crushes it in his hand. The rest of the hunting party are shown in a big wide shot all cheering and roaring. It's pretty clear what's being implied. The Predators are now free from the shackles of their supervisor, and are out for revenge and glory.
(https://i.imgur.com/1LbemMe.png)
Their first stop is to butcher outliers from the colony. They kill a whole family including their dog, and the only reason the kid doesn't get ganked is because he steals a hover car and get's away.
Meanwhile some of the other humans go after Revna, find the desolation left behind, and the barely living Broken Tusk.
When Broken Tusk protects the doc, he deflects his initial= attack on her, and then what we see is he takes note of the bag of skulls the younger Predator is carrying around, and proceeds to kick the shit out of him.
(https://i.imgur.com/VYrAlj4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/W35HnWL.png)
There are some good bits added into Prey, but I much prefer the simpler visual, film-like, implications of the original comic.
The prequel comic has Scott and Tom on the Lector talking about humanity, evolution, survival, etc, while Predators prepare and head down for a separate hunt on another planet. There's some interesting, albeit on-the-nose conversation there.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 18, 2018, 02:34:41 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 17, 2018, 08:40:54 PM
Respect and honor are related too, at least imo – they can definitely live in the same space and in the end, it could just boil down to semantics depending on how you apply the idea. I guess for some people, they'd argue that in order to be capable of respect, you must possess a sense of honor to begin with - but that's more along the philosophical side of things which isn't my bag :P So anyway, because of this, it's reasonable to believe that Predators place some level of importance on honor, even though we haven't been outright shown it in the movies.
I like to think of my Predators as less virtuous ;D ;D ;D but I can see where the honor point of view comes from.
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An example could be with Broken Tusk when he tried to save Dr. (got to pull out my AVP omnibus now watch out) Revna when he was strapped to that gurney in the lab.
Yeah there is definitely that blurred line between the two terms. "If it quacks like a duck"...
Haha, I love the less virtuous Predators but there's no doubt I have a guilty pleasure for the cheesy, honorable/friendly ones. You'll see me smiling from ear to ear when I watch or read about them. ;D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 09:05:39 PM
Ah, but that was down to the rules of the hunt.
Predators were there to fight and train against a contained group of aliens. Not to go around slaughtering humans. Killing Revna would have not only gone against their hunting rules, but also gone against the rules to this particular hunt. Those younger Predators were real assholes in that comic. Poor doggo.
So we can assume that there are rules or codes for their hunts and when those rules are broken there is some form of repercussion. The disgraced hunter is deemed... dishonorable? Hypothetically, had they gone with the idea of Elder beheading CH at the end of P2, you could argue that it is implied that CH was dishonorable to Greyback. Of curse we didn't get that ending and I kind of suspect this was because they wanted Harrigan to overcome the beast and the ending was left vague enough for interpretations.
Oh, there's definitely a place for cheesy, honorable Predators - I'm with you there, gf ;) Like I said, I think it's justifiable to think that in order to respect a code of conduct, you need a sense of honor in order to, well, honor that code. Or respect, or pride. It's semantics, honestly. One person can view it as honor, another as pride in the ways of the hunt. They kind of mean the same thing in this instance, but one establishes a virtue while the other doesn't. I read through some more AVP and saw "honor" pop up a couple more times in different places...but again, it's AVP and I know people have different opinions on where that fits in.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 11:46:26 PM
Oh there's nothing wrong with them having a hierarchy. The problem is when it becomes a focal point.
The Klingons got trashed pretty badly because of the emphasis on them being "warriors" and having "honor." Every Klingon story started being about honor, and warriors heart, and to be a warrior is to be klingon, and protecting the honor of the house is a warriors duty. Some of the dialogue they gave to the Klingon characters was so circular and vacant that it just ruined all the bite they used to have as characters.
It got in the way of later Klingon characters from developing individual personalities. They were all harping about this same mudane, dull, plodding, GNDN stuff.
What's great about the first film is that everything we learn about the Predator's behavior is basically observational. "He came in to get the body... He's killing us one at a time." "..Like a hunter." "No! Leave it. He didn't kill you cause you were unarmed... No sport."
These theories end up being proven. There's some kind of a code there, but it's not locked down.
I like how the most recent trilogy of novels handled the Predators. Even when we witnessed them communicating with each other, there always remained an air of mystery. The author hammered away countless times about "us not being able to understand them" and "they're so different (psychologically)" etc. I liked that. That's part of the appeal for me, that they are so different - they're allowed to be badass and otherly, yet roughly relatable without being exactly like us (social heirarchy and all).
I like the ' clan ', ' Young/Old ' , ' honor no honor ' concepts on a interpretation level. But not as true established facts that every sequel or spin off must abide by.. canon if you will.
With the Predator, along with nearly every other movie monsters I like knowing as less as possible. I like to preserve that 'mythical' quality about them. After all it's no fun to have the protagonist of sequel 17 say " WHAT THE F IS THAT AND WHAT DOES IT WANT FROM US' If we audience already know.
Less is nearly always more in horror entertainment. Which is why with nearly every horror movie fanbase there is always a certain consensus of 'movies should have stopped somewhere here', be that somewhere in the middle ( or with the even more extremists out there ) right after the original.
I think its totally legit for people to think the original Pred had an honor code. He only went after those who could defend themselves ( man and woman alike ) and gave Dutch a chance for a hand-to-hand combat.
however one could easily interpretate it the other way going off with Dutch's speculation that it was simply 'no sport' no fun, just boring and a waste of ammo and beneath his skill yadada..
Off course each sequel stamps things more firmly whenever an element gets repeated and stays more consisted.
With Predator you actually have the advantage because its never the same killer. Not the same person or character, call it what you will. Just the same species. Sure on a conceptional basis they are, but you can easily get away with Pred 2 being much more bloodthirsty, more reliant on his tech, more reckless and yet at the end more cowardly than the first Pred. Because hey' it could have easily been his brother, distant nephew, his secretarry from work or asshole uncle.. maybe totally unrelated.
So yeah I'm fine with the people liking the ranking system or disliking the disliking similarities.
Along with many other franchises over the years I've been able to say " for me it stopped at movie 2
Sure I'll watch any future movies as long as I feel it will give me 2 hours of entertainment and I'm happy to pay for it.
Didn't really like Predators that much and I could take or leave the AVP movies. They all have redeeming qualities for sure and I'll get to watch The Predator at some point in my life. But for what I've heard and seen in the trailers my feelings are surprisingly meh. Especially since I was quite anticipating it when it was first announced. But you wouldn't have to drag me in kicking and screaming either. Maybe I'll watch it with a friend if both of us feel like it, and if not.. Eh.. :-\
I have a different feeling to the Star Wars franchise at the moment. The last movie was so insulting I will not go see ep.9
It stopped at movie 6 and it stays at there as far as this mind is considered, and that is ultimately the most important. No matter what any director, writer or producer says on any interview.
Its a win-win situation for me. I get to keep the autonamy of the stuff that I like by keeping them in nice little bubbles of their best quality while rooting out as much as the flaws as possible. while also keeping the cash in my pocket and spend them on the stuff that I DO like.
And sometimes on rare occasions a sequel can totally surprise you with something that makes you go " hey, never considered that but yeah, I can see that working "
Prometheus did that for with the black goo and funnily enough Covenant undid that for me with 'David created them all" ~Ridley Scott
I'll always try to stay open minded for new ideas but when it sucks and I can say 'nope, sure it happened for the director and his vision but never happened for me'
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 19, 2018, 02:08:19 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jun 18, 2018, 02:34:41 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 17, 2018, 08:40:54 PM
Respect and honor are related too, at least imo – they can definitely live in the same space and in the end, it could just boil down to semantics depending on how you apply the idea. I guess for some people, they'd argue that in order to be capable of respect, you must possess a sense of honor to begin with - but that's more along the philosophical side of things which isn't my bag :P So anyway, because of this, it's reasonable to believe that Predators place some level of importance on honor, even though we haven't been outright shown it in the movies.
I like to think of my Predators as less virtuous ;D ;D ;D but I can see where the honor point of view comes from.
Spoiler
An example could be with Broken Tusk when he tried to save Dr. (got to pull out my AVP omnibus now watch out) Revna when he was strapped to that gurney in the lab.
Yeah there is definitely that blurred line between the two terms. "If it quacks like a duck"...
Haha, I love the less virtuous Predators but there's no doubt I have a guilty pleasure for the cheesy, honorable/friendly ones. You'll see me smiling from ear to ear when I watch or read about them. ;D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 17, 2018, 09:05:39 PM
Ah, but that was down to the rules of the hunt.
Predators were there to fight and train against a contained group of aliens. Not to go around slaughtering humans. Killing Revna would have not only gone against their hunting rules, but also gone against the rules to this particular hunt. Those younger Predators were real assholes in that comic. Poor doggo.
So we can assume that there are rules or codes for their hunts and when those rules are broken there is some form of repercussion. The disgraced hunter is deemed... dishonorable? Hypothetically, had they gone with the idea of Elder beheading CH at the end of P2, you could argue that it is implied that CH was dishonorable to Greyback. Of curse we didn't get that ending and I kind of suspect this was because they wanted Harrigan to overcome the beast and the ending was left vague enough for interpretations.
Oh, there's definitely a place for cheesy, honorable Predators - I'm with you there, gf ;) Like I said, I think it's justifiable to think that in order to respect a code of conduct, you need a sense of honor in order to, well, honor that code. Or respect, or pride. It's semantics, honestly. One person can view it as honor, another as pride in the ways of the hunt. They kind of mean the same thing in this instance, but one establishes a virtue while the other doesn't. I read through some more AVP and saw "honor" pop up a couple more times in different places...but again, it's AVP and I know people have different opinions on where that fits in.
I think that's a perfect summation of the honor concept. :)
It sounds as though
The Predator will at least individualize the Predators featured, so that to me is exciting. I'm hoping we see more of their reactions that give them personality which was something that was lacking in
Predators. In general I've come to the conclusion that life is too short to not have a sequel of my favorite movie monster. I'm looking forward to seeing a creative interpretation play out and if I don't like it, well, it won't ruin my own headcanon.
I think the Captured can indeed have some cool individualization, and if the script roughly translates through the film despite some changes, he will definitely be a badass.
Well, up until he
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get's ganked.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 20, 2018, 04:57:33 AM
Well, up until he Spoiler
get's ganked.
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Indeed :laugh: but i hope they grant him a more badass way to go too, there is room for it i think
Making them teenagers that hunt us for ceremony is what makes it scaaaaaary.
Personally I am on the fence about it, on one hand, I think having respect (which would come with a tad bit of honor) is what seperates them from the indiscriminate killing machines that is the Xenomorphs, it gives them some character, on the other hand, I don't want them humanized. While it was pretty horrible that those predator went after the family and even killed the dog, it make sense for another species not to regard another with any emotion, especially a species that it regularly hunts. Its not evil either, to them its completely normal which is natural, I mean actual hunters on earth don't give much thought about their kills, no matter what it is, yet they all friendly with their fellow huntsman and brag about their trophies.
Same goes for food, I never think about cows, chickens or anything else I eat, its just food to me, so a stronger predatory species will likely feel nothing for us unless we get its attention. Kind of like how we hold respect for dangerous animals that could poison us.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jun 26, 2018, 04:07:27 PM
Personally I am on the fence about it, on one hand, I think having respect (which would come with a tad bit of honor) is what seperates them from the indiscriminate killing machines that is the Xenomorphs, it gives them some character, on the other hand, I don't want them humanized. While it was pretty horrible that those predator went after the family and even killed the dog, it make sense for another species not to regard another with any emotion, especially a species that it regularly hunts. Its not evil either, to them its completely normal which is natural, I mean actual hunters on earth don't give much thought about their kills, no matter what it is, yet they all friendly with their fellow huntsman and brag about their trophies.
Same goes for food, I never think about cows, chickens or anything else I eat, its just food to me, so a stronger predatory species will likely feel nothing for us unless we get its attention. Kind of like how we hold respect for dangerous animals that could poison us.
Yes, and even then it's more "recognition" then anything else. I just think the Predator species is too awesome on its own to make them completely like humans psychologically. If fans want interactions between Predator/Predator or Predator/Human (which I definitely do to a certain extent), I think it can happen but on their terms - in their own way. I'm fine with a Predator that we don't truly understand :) But I'd like to think they have a certain degree of empathy to keep them from, like you said, becoming indiscriminate killing machines.
I am wondering how this movie will affect the expanded mythology of the Predator, particularly when it comes to
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The Predators hunting for DNA, and genetically upgrading themselves
I hope it's only a portion of the race that does this.
I've always liked the hierarchy aspect of their race. Always will.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jun 26, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
I hope it's only a portion of the race that does this.
Agreed. I could tolerate it, I think... like if it was just Upgrade, for example... but having it be standard practice for the entire species would seriously bother me. I admit I'm a fan of the hierarchy, honor, all that.
It's not standard practice. Given how Upgrade is interacting with the other Predators.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 27, 2018, 12:41:49 AM
It's not standard practice. Given how Upgrade is interacting with the other Predators.
He's got that roid rage goin' on.
What if this is all part of some long-running intergalactic game of tag? And he's taking it way too seriously?
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 27, 2018, 04:08:19 AM
He's got that roid rage goin' on.
Chad is the Ivan Drago of Predators.
"I must break you."
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 27, 2018, 04:08:19 AM
What if this is all part of some long-running intergalactic game of tag? And he's taking it way too seriously?
Just imagine when Predator Dodgeball get's out of hand.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 14, 2018, 11:32:59 PM
none of the films even use it.
Indeed, most of it was either mentioned off screen by directors or expanded by the fandom.
In regards to the marking, different clans, different rituals or none at all. The mark means something in the clan from AVP. The clan from Predator 2, Predators, The Predator now as well I guess, they are from a different group, different ships, so not related to them. Wolf probably had the mark in one of his dozen masks.
I've always liked that aspect to be honest, makes them something more than just mindless beasts.
They are clearly intelligent creatures, hunting with some sort of honour code (not killing unarmed / non threats) so them having a tribe like hierarchy isn't totally out of place.
I guess the best thing about the movies is, they kinda hint at it but leave it open, so you can ignore it if you don't like it.
It's the hint of it that makes it interesting, not the detailing I guess.
When it turns into pages and pages of explanation about how their culture works, yeah.
Or the notion that they all adhere to the exact same rules.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jun 26, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
I hope it's only a portion of the race that does this.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 01, 2018, 12:42:12 AM
When it turns into pages and pages of explanation about how their culture works, yeah.
Or the notion that they all adhere to the exact same rules.
This right here. The easiest way to "reconcile" the myriad depictions of Predator society, beliefs, hunting customs, whatever, is that they're not a homogeneous species (you know, like humans). There may be some things that are sort of broadly agreed upon among all Predators (hunting is cool), but the nuances of it are not universal.
It is like you can say JH and CH only go after armed folk and enjoy the challenge of being on another's territory (apparently the novel (I think) says that CH had the recordings from JH's mask and was motivated by that, so he is intentionally following his style a little) so they are similar but the Superpreds, while enjoying hunting as well, prefer unsporting methods by utilizing more technology and kidnapping game so the preds can have the home field advantage.
The intentions and methods are different too. JH and CH are just enjoying the hunt and challenge, but using slightly different methods, subtly and "one at a time" for JH and more engaging and melee style for CH, while the super preds just want to self improve and make themselves into more efficient killers. They all hunt but there are differences, some subtle and others much more obvious.
In gaming terms that makes them cheaters, and all the more reason I don't like them in concept.
CH and JH are hunters.
The three stooges are like poachers.
Sort of, yes.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 02, 2018, 10:59:20 PM
CH and JH are hunters.
The three stooges are like poachers.
Yep, this is exact analogy I used in 2010 ;D
Indeed. Another addition to the Predators is temperament, just like most species, they would have an individual personality, so regardless of hunting rules, they can't always be generalized by the actions of one or two. Some Predators might be more sporting and even merciful, others might be just dicks. While others just indifferent.
Technically speaking, we can't really place or compare our morality, rules and sense of honor on to them because just like real life, different cultures of humans have their own society, rules and morality. Like we generally don't don't really care about eating cows and pigs, and we dislike other countries eating dogs and dolphins, but to some other countries, our eating of cows and pigs is considered horrible and atrocious.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 03, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Indeed. Another addition to the Predators is temperament, just like most species, they would have an individual personality, so regardless of hunting rules, they can't always be generalized by the actions of one or two. Some Predators might be more sporting and even merciful, others might be just dicks. While others just indifferent.
Technically speaking, we can't really place or compare our morality, rules and sense of honor on to them because just like real life, different cultures of humans have their own society, rules and morality. Like we generally don't don't really care about eating cows and pigs, and we dislike other countries eating dogs and dolphins, but to some other countries, our eating of cows and pigs is considered horrible and atrocious.
Agreed with all of this, great points. I definitely think there's a lot of room for variation among predators, both due to differing cultures (I always liked the "clans" thing) and their unique personalities and preferences.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 03, 2018, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 03, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Indeed. Another addition to the Predators is temperament, just like most species, they would have an individual personality, so regardless of hunting rules, they can't always be generalized by the actions of one or two. Some Predators might be more sporting and even merciful, others might be just dicks. While others just indifferent.
Technically speaking, we can't really place or compare our morality, rules and sense of honor on to them because just like real life, different cultures of humans have their own society, rules and morality. Like we generally don't don't really care about eating cows and pigs, and we dislike other countries eating dogs and dolphins, but to some other countries, our eating of cows and pigs is considered horrible and atrocious.
Agreed with all of this, great points. I definitely think there's a lot of room for variation among predators, both due to differing cultures (I always liked the "clans" thing) and their unique personalities and preferences.
Enter diversity. Which I really would use in order to explain all the different predators by now.
Which I think is what this movie is going for so we's on the right track!
I don't think anyone really has an issue with diversity, indeed I welcome it and it's one of the fun aspects of the Predator species. Just visually alone you can do a lot of stuff. It's a great deal of fun just to go on figure realm or youtube and see some of the custom Predator figures people have come up with.
(https://i.imgur.com/vlzlpK4.jpg)
https://www.figurerealm.com/customfigure?action=view&id=89866
(https://i.imgur.com/xz8Usg7.jpg)
https://www.figurerealm.com/customfigure?action=view&id=81733
(https://i.imgur.com/OqNOIBO.jpg)
https://www.figurerealm.com/customfigure?action=view&id=67974
(https://i.imgur.com/x23XVsg.jpg)
https://www.figurerealm.com/customfigure?action=view&id=66192
The big issue is in portrayal. When it becomes what "they" do, for example. "They" have strict honor or "they" are modifying themselves with our DNA, etc...
Those first two figures are pretty awesome - especially the second.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 03, 2018, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 03, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Indeed. Another addition to the Predators is temperament, just like most species, they would have an individual personality, so regardless of hunting rules, they can't always be generalized by the actions of one or two. Some Predators might be more sporting and even merciful, others might be just dicks. While others just indifferent.
Technically speaking, we can't really place or compare our morality, rules and sense of honor on to them because just like real life, different cultures of humans have their own society, rules and morality. Like we generally don't don't really care about eating cows and pigs, and we dislike other countries eating dogs and dolphins, but to some other countries, our eating of cows and pigs is considered horrible and atrocious.
Agreed with all of this, great points. I definitely think there's a lot of room for variation among predators, both due to differing cultures (I always liked the "clans" thing) and their unique personalities and preferences.
Differing cultures, personalities and preferences. This is what I'd like to see going forward in the franchise. A move away from focusing solely on the humans, maybe make a Predator a legitimate "main" and survive the ordeal. There's just so much more that could be done with the Predators without even encroaching on their "culture/customs/etc."
it speaks to the good writing in Prey, the comic, and Briggs' script that Broken Tusk is a Predator you want to see live.
Agreed, I'd like to see a movie where one actually survives.
They probably could have worked this out for Captured but no, oomans have to save the day.
In regards to the differing Predator personalities, I find it funny how Shane describes The Predator to be similar to a western. We literally have "the good, the bad, and the ugly" Predators running around.
Dirty oomans.