I was wondering, since we didn't have a direct prequel to Alien explaining what events transpired within the derelict engineer craft, whether in Blomkamps film will we see weyland yutani or Ripley and co access the derelicts holo-records, like we see in prometheus. This will give us a hint of what visually happened and leads to the dead engineer sending it's warning before it's chest burst That wouldn't tread on the toes of a prometheus sequel, whilst explaning what actually happened and indirectly ackowledging prometheus, so some questions are answered without going into too much detail. If David accessed the juggernauts technology quite easily in prometheus, androids by the time of Alien 5 should be alot quicker and able explore the derelicts technology in more detail.
I really wasn't a fan of the holograms, over all.
The holograms sucked UNLESS they sucked because our humans eyes were unable to properly interpret them. Which I will assume was the case.
the holograms where terrible, how could an advanced species look back at those recordings?? they had to run over the whole facility to see what happened to their mates who died, so following the hologram would lead the rescue party or survivors straight to certain death. LoL
No it was terrible.
Nah. It fits in Prometheus' setting, not really here. Plus, the derelict is so bruised and battered and bloated and decomposed, if it's even the same Derelict in the concept art, I doubt it would be capable of much.
I prefer the solid, three-dimensional graphics used by the Kryptonians in Man of Steel. The engineers should use something like that.
The holograms are 2000 years old, you expect them to look pristine? Of course they should look degraded.
I really liked the holograms. Would be really interesting to see more of the Derelict's past. Or even if it's not the same ship as in in Alien, would be nice to see some more history.
well i hoped for a scene just like that but very vague and only bits and pieces. not the whole thing explained outright.
that's be cool
and definitely in holograns
YESS !!!
Quote from: Gash on Mar 30, 2015, 12:34:42 AM
The holograms are 2000 years old, you expect them to look pristine? Of course they should look degraded.
Did they record the holograms on VHS tape?
Regardless of format, data corrupts.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
Regardless of format, data corrupts.
It's not human technology.
Doesn't mean it might not still corrupt. Sure, might mean it doesn't. It'll do whatever the story requires it to but it's not unreasonable.
Archival quality DVD's are already available with a claimed lifespan of over a 1000 years.
One would think that an ultra advanced interstellar space faring species could do even better.
You would. But there's all sorts of other mitigating factors. Was the storage damaged? Was some other system damaged? etc.
If you consider that "David" was able to learn and work a juggernaut within the span of a few hours, an android like Bishop should conceivably be able to learn everything about the derelict within the same amount of time. All he has to do is visit the ship, assuming its still intact / working.
David spent years dissecting human languages according to Holloway's thesis. Bishop, in order to achieve the same level of understanding, would have to do the same.
Possibly, but David was also a few generations behind Bishop...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Possibly, but David was also a few generations behind Bishop...
Also, he may have just downloaded all that information, not learned it the way humans do.
I suppose that all depends on how androids actually process data. Might be a completely different subject on its own.
True, after all from an android is the ultimate expression of anthropomorphism. The purpose of which is "because you people feel more comfortable with your own kind". In addition to physical appearance, the androids may also download information in a slower method that is similar to humans, but that seems very unlikely to me. Then again, their mental capacity may be limited to prevent them from taking over. Who knows? This should be a separate subject fo sho.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 29, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
the holograms where terrible, how could an advanced species look back at those recordings?? they had to run over the whole facility to see what happened to their mates who died, so following the hologram would lead the rescue party or survivors straight to certain death. LoL
No it was terrible.
This. The holograms were goofy kiddy magical bullshit. I thought I was watching a Roland Emmerich film for a second there. Ooh ahh.
It is quite clear to me that Engineers (If not religiously) stylise all their technology, they're at the point of advancement that all they can change is how it looks.
You know it's possible that all they do is sleep and just wake up one every 11,000 years to check up on their experiments. Just to avoid boredom...
Quote from: 8BA on Mar 31, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 29, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
the holograms where terrible, how could an advanced species look back at those recordings?? they had to run over the whole facility to see what happened to their mates who died, so following the hologram would lead the rescue party or survivors straight to certain death. LoL
No it was terrible.
This. The holograms were goofy kiddy magical bullshit. I thought I was watching a Roland Emmerich film for a second there. Ooh ahh.
Yeah, holograms are magic, No reality there. As for Roland Emwerich's filmaking efforts in Somerset, I didn't know about that.
I like the recordings / holograms, and the star chart, but all the other floating neon controls in the derelict ruined that movie for me... That and the chestburster at the end. If they axed those two things I'd think PROMETHEUS is a-ok.
The Orrey scene is quite possibly one of my favourite visual scenes out of the entire series. I thought it looked gorgeous.
The Orrery scene definitely had a Steven Spielberg "Wonderment and Amazement" feel to it. It was borderline Disney..
How about operating the ship with boiled eggs and a flute?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 08, 2015, 07:00:10 PM
The Orrery scene definitely had a Steven Spielberg "Wonderment and Amazement" feel to it. It was borderline Disney..
It was exactly what Scott had said he wanted to do and one of the few moments he actually achieved it in the film, I felt. Which was this grand moment.
Don't get me wrong, I still think the film was a mess but I can appreciate some of it.
I loved that scene. In fact I love the whole film with its quirks. I really don't get all the griping. I found the film was a bit of a let-down in theatres but then as I watched it over and over again, it just got better with every watching.
It has to be understood that it is a "Hollywood Monster Movie". There had to be some dumb moments to go along with expectations of this sort of film, but overall it was exactly what an Alien side-quell should have been. It tells a separate story and keeps me as an Alien fan interested. I was not a member of any boards at the time so I have no idea what sort of info people had going in, but for me the Engineers being Human was a terrific shock, and a very welcome plot twist. Prometheus rocks.
I have no problem with the flute, fits with their (mistaken) image as Greek gods. The squishy controls are better than switches and dials.
I'm with you Perfect-Organism, the more you watch Prometheus the more there is to savour.
Or erased intentionally? Or was false footage inserted to confuse the viewer?
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Mar 30, 2015, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
Regardless of format, data corrupts.
It's not human technology.
Data storage aside, one of the jarring moments in Prometheus is the
very human-technology sounding electric motor hum that accompanies the engineer's chair moving.