Poll
Question:
Did you find the movie dark?
Option 1: Could hardly see a thing
votes: 95
Option 2: Was pretty dark, but I could still see
votes: 61
Option 3: Don't see what the fuss is about
votes: 34
Ok, the darkness of this movie is obviously the main problem for some people. It was dark when I saw it in the cinema, but I personally didn't have any gripes with it, I could still see what I needed to see. The reason the movie is so dark was the BS intention, they wanted the thing dark and moody. It ain't Pearls fault, he's amazing at his job, it's just what he was told to do. Whether it will be too dark in DVD awaits to be seen, but after seeing those screen caps the thing looks ridiculously dark. As in the verge of annoying.
Didnt read your post but i voted the last one.
Don't see what the fuss is about ???
The darkness is a post-production thing. Compare those early trailers with the final film. I like how they changed the colours of the footage but not the darkness. The contrast is too low, even on the daytime scenes.
It was dark at some point of the movie but could still see though.
Quote from: DazAvP01 on Apr 10, 2008, 05:10:36 PM
The darkness is a post-production thing. Compare those early trailers with the final film. I like how they changed the colours of the footage but not the darkness. The contrast is too low, even on the daytime scenes.
i agree with u if the movie would had stay they way it was on the red band trailer for example the movie would have looked awesome.....
There's no problem with Darkness! He runs a lovely Web site!
Quote from: DazAvP01 on Apr 10, 2008, 05:10:36 PM
Compare those early trailers with the final film.
I agree with you on that, the trailers looked way better than the final cut. The store showdown clip had perfect picture quality, not too dark not too bright. The final cut was darkened much more for some strange reason, but......
Not to the point where I couldn't see anything or will cry about it on the internet. The picture quality was fine in the theaters. But again, the blu-ray copy doesn't come out until April 15th so until then everything is still speculation.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=696&show=review
^ The picture quality looks pretty good on blu-ray in this review.
Quote^ The picture quality looks pretty good on blu-ray in this review.
Are you taking the piss? They're still look way too dark, the Predator and Predalien are practically silhouettes.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 10, 2008, 05:28:02 PM
There's no problem with Darkness! He runs a lovely Web site!
Damn the wittiness of that Xenomorphine. I had something similar in mind. The glory that could've been mine...But yeah, the movie was dark. Sewer scene comes to mind, the last fight. Sporting good store, hospital...
I had a problem with it. A big problem. It pissed me off. Yeaaaaah.
No, the shitty script and bad acting was the main problem people had with it. Not being able to see a damn thing was just the icing on the crap-cake.
Obviously the Brothers Strause thought that by cranking up the darkness, it would magically give the film mood. Nope.
The main resson why it so dark because the power went out in the movie.
But from an audiences stand point, they prefer to actually see whats on the screen = powercut or not. Besides wasn't there a powercut in 30 Days Of Night? I can't remember having to turn up the brightness on the TV...
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 10, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
The main resson why it so dark because the power went out in the movie.
So?
You could see better in the Blair Witch Project and they had a freagin' flash light in the woods!
No excuse for this lousy movie.
Quote from: Sirand on Apr 10, 2008, 07:54:41 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 10, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
The main resson why it so dark because the power went out in the movie.
So?
You could see better in the Blair Witch Project and they had a freagin' flash light in the woods!
No excuse for this lousy movie.
Pluss in AvP (even though I know you hate it ;)) is set in pyramid and yet we still could see what was going off.
Indeed. You'd think being in a pyramid 2000 feet under the ground would be darker then a town without power, but...
Quote from: Sirand on Apr 10, 2008, 07:54:41 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 10, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
The main resson why it so dark because the power went out in the movie.
So?
You could see better in the Blair Witch Project and they had a freagin' flash light in the woods!
No excuse for this lousy movie.
The Blair Witch didn't even feature a monster and we loved it!
I don't see any problem with the movie darkness and anyways I praised it.
It gives a mood to the movie not just brightness. The tancolors and the
dark shades made you feel tence in some situatons. Either way, I saw what I needed to see.
Including Jesse's ass 8)
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 10, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Indeed. You'd think being in a pyramid 2000 feet under the ground would be darker then a town without power, but...
There was a city-wide power outage here in Toronto about 6 or so years ago, shit was dark. It's like they were accurate in the intensity of darkness, but in AVP they used "movie darkness" where its dark but its still bright so the viewer can tell whats going on. Its a stylistic choice.
Quote from: Rafael S. on Apr 10, 2008, 09:32:45 PM
I don't see any problem with the movie darkness and anyways I praised it.
It gives a mood to the movie not just brightness. The tancolors and the
dark shades made you feel tence in some situatons. Either way, I saw what I needed to see.
Including Jesse's ass 8)
Indeed ;D
The light didn't bother me that much. When I saw the film in HD, it was definitely a better picture.
The Darkness for me did give the film that requiem mood.
Quote from: Zero on Apr 10, 2008, 09:46:07 PM
The Darkness for me did give the film that requiem mood.
What, death?
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 10, 2008, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: Zero on Apr 10, 2008, 09:46:07 PM
The Darkness for me did give the film that requiem mood.
What, death?
Yes,I really don't see why some people just join to criticise the f**k ouf of AVP Requiem.It was an ok combat-wise,could've been slightly improved storyline and such
This is the biggest problem I had with the movie. I totally agree with the earlier points brought up about the trailer. I rewatched the redband trailer after watching the movie in theatres and was just frustrated. If the whole movie was the same darkness level of the trailer it would've been so much better.
I can't even make out things like the markings on the Wolf's mask in the movie unless I look really hard and then only at certain moments. Why go into that much detail if you're going to just black it out anyways?
Yeah The film was kinda dark,But The DVD is slightly SLIGHTLY Brighter
The only reason i thought they kept it dark is because the aliens are cleary men in suits in most scenes. I still hold that opinion.
That and i'd assume it's cheaper to pull of a dark special effect than a lighter one.
Everything bad about AVPR all trails back to the cost IMHO
Quote
The only reason i thought they kept it dark is because the aliens are cleary men in suits in most scenes. I still hold that opinion.
That's due to bad filmmaking. The Aliens never looked like men in suits in any of the previous movies.
We clearly saw the Alien suits in Alien 3, Alien Res, and AvP, and they looked awesome. Only the CGI sucked.
QuoteEverything bad about AVPR all trails back to the cost IMHO
And lack of talent.
I have I AM LEGEND on blu-ray, it looks freakin insane!
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 11, 2008, 02:06:03 AM
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The only reason i thought they kept it dark is because the aliens are cleary men in suits in most scenes. I still hold that opinion.
That's due to bad filmmaking. The Aliens never looked like men in suits in any of the previous movies.
We clearly saw the Alien suits in Alien 3, Alien Res, and AvP, and they looked awesome. Only the CGI sucked.
QuoteEverything bad about AVPR all trails back to the cost IMHO
And lack of talent.
Thats what i mean, they didnt look like men in suits in any other movie, so they are masking their lack of talent with darkness. Didnt work thought, they still look like men in suits.
I honestly didn't have any problems with the contrast or darkness of the movie when I saw it in theaters. Even in scenes like the sewer fight I could still easily tell what was going on.
I must say, the Blu-Ray shots look good. Let's wait 'n see.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 10, 2008, 05:40:36 PM
Damn the wittiness of that Xenomorphine. I had something similar in mind. The glory that could've been mine...
<Steals it.>
i saw it twice in the theater (once stoned out of my mind) and i never thought it was to dark.
Quote from: Sirand on Apr 10, 2008, 07:54:41 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 10, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
The main resson why it so dark because the power went out in the movie.
So?
You could see better in the Blair Witch Project and they had a freagin' flash light in the woods!
No excuse for this lousy movie.
I couldn't see a damn thing in BWP, especially when combined with the shaky camera.
The Blair Witch Project was more daker then AVPR.
As far as the DVD is concerned, I take back most of my recent defending of it.
Just showed the flick to my girlfriend (no, she didn't dump me because of it ;) ) and this time I had the lights on...and couldn't see a damn thing half the time. This one really needs the right conditions to be watched properly.
That, and the movie gets worse and worse every time you watch it. I feel kind of dirty right now. :(
^ Kinda' like the way Ace Ventura felt when he found out that Einhorn was a man?
I'm not quite up to crying in the shower yet. That'll be the **gulp** ...next viewing.
So why do you keep watching it? It can't be doing your eyes any good with all the squinting. :-\
Same principle as a condom...He'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one. Wait, that doesn't go to well to what your asking him does it? It's the love that keeps bringing him and all of us back for more.
Did you just say you love AvP:R. ;)
Look into my eye ;)
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You crack me up sometimes. :D
LOL, Biehn looks way too happy there.
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Look into my eye too! :D
QuoteThe Darkness Problem
Hey man, Darkness is a pretty cool guy.
Quote from: The Diesel on Apr 11, 2008, 06:38:23 PM
QuoteThe Darkness Problem
Hey man, Darkness is a pretty cool guy.
Joke already made.
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 11, 2008, 05:43:15 PM
So why do you keep watching it? It can't be doing your eyes any good with all the squinting. :-\
To tell the truth, (and it pains me to say this) but I bought it as I've been planning an AvP/AvP2 fan edit...but at the moment, I am honestly thinking of scrapping the whole thing.
Last year, I got about 90% done on an AvP-only fan edit, so I think I might just go back to that. I dunno...I almost feel like I just saw AvP2 for the first time. It's so disheartening to see such shoddy, disjointed "filmmaking" passed of as an Alien or Predator film. I want to go back to the '80s, where I was happy. :(
I would like to know why Colin said they sorted the colour out when they clearly did not.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 11, 2008, 03:56:32 PM
The Blair Witch Project was more daker then AVPR.
its meant to, avp-r wasnt...
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
It's so upsetting it insults me
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
I saw everything.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 12, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
I saw everything.
Of course you did...All 'AVPR lovers' did... ::)
It's amazing what can happen when you actually pay attention to the film instead of constantly face-palming and bitching about how much you hate the film.
It's hard to when theres nothing to pay attention to...
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 12, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 12, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
I saw everything.
Of course you did...All 'AVPR lovers' did... ::)
of course they did, they probably had there face fully face squished up ahainst the screen while having there hand in there pants...
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 12, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Of course you did...All 'AVPR lovers' did... ::)
So I love the movie now?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2008, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 12, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Of course you did...All 'AVPR lovers' did... ::)
So I love the movie now?
im pretty sure he was saying all of the lovers saw it fine, not all the people that saw the movie clearly loved the movie.... ::)
Most excellent logic.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 13, 2008, 09:06:04 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 12, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 12, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 12, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Quoteits meant to, avp-r wasnt...
And you know that from what?
well the blair witch project is meant to show a real life view, and of course you wouldnt have perfect lighting...i know we dont in real life.
but to darken avp-r so much you cant see anything aint a 'camera art' its stupidity...
I saw everything.
Of course you did...All 'AVPR lovers' did... ::)
of course they did, they probably had there face fully face squished up ahainst the screen while having there hand in there pants...
If that makes you feel better.
I actually saw no problem in the darkness level of the movie, not even the bootleg was a problem, but that was a DVD rip so it really doesn't matter.
I found it just fine, but the colors annoyed me.
I never had any problems seeing what was going on in the movie when I saw it. And I don't like the movie.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 13, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
im pretty sure he was saying all of the lovers saw it fine, not all the people that saw the movie clearly loved the movie.... ::)
His logic still sucks ass.
I never had problems with the darkness. I actually prefered it like that as apposed to being bright. More claustraphobic in places and also gave the impression there were more dark corners for the aliens to hide in, waiting to strike.
Movie itself could have been better yes, but visually, I'm satisfied.
I'd prefer it brighter but it didn't bother me to much but it was still way to dark, the only bright side to that fact is it made Chet look alot better than what he looks like in the light
I think the scene where wolfs comes out of the water is a day to night conversion, meaning that they shot the scene at daytime and made it look like it was night in post production. hence why the scene is so dark, they had to make the effect more realistic.
I could be wrong though, but since i´m doing DTNC´s all the time i thought it looked like that.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 13, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
I think the scene where wolfs comes out of the water is a day to night conversion
No such thing as day-for-night when you shoot on a soundstage.
But obviously, yes...the film was shot brighter than the final version of the film. That's only normal.
Only a mental patient would light the film the way it appears on DVD.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 13, 2008, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 13, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
I think the scene where wolfs comes out of the water is a day to night conversion
No such thing as day-for-night when you shoot on a soundstage.
The ADI book says it was a real weather sewer.
The DVD shows and discusses the construction of the sewer set, so either your memory is faulty or the book is.
And just to top that off, you cannot technically shoot day-for-night underground, which it would be if it were a real sewer.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 14, 2008, 03:01:03 AM
The DVD shows and discusses the construction of the sewer set, so either your memory is faulty or the book is.
They did have an actual sewer, but they built a set after principal photog to do inserts.
Yes, I'm sure the sequence where the creatures/performers are submerged in sewer water was done in a real sewer. Believable!!
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 13, 2008, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 13, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
I think the scene where wolfs comes out of the water is a day to night conversion
No such thing as day-for-night when you shoot on a soundstage.
But obviously, yes...the film was shot brighter than the final version of the film. That's only normal.
Only a mental patient would light the film the way it appears on DVD.
No, i dont mean the sewer set.
I mean the scene where wolf just landed and he comes out of the water, this was not a set but a real lake where they shot this.
Sorry Johnny, my mistake.
Yeah, that shot was done originally out on location, but they ended up reshooting it on a green-screen stage, apparently. They mention it on the comm, from memory.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 14, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
Sorry Johnny, my mistake.
Yeah, that shot was done originally out on location, but they ended up reshooting it on a green-screen stage, apparently. They mention it on the comm, from memory.
They do in the book as well. There are pics of the pred in a lake in the day.
It then goes on to say it was reshot in front of a greenscreen.
Okay, I'm watching the Unrated DVD and I admit, that opening scene in the ship was really f**kin' dark. But I turned the brightness on my TV up a little bit and that helped a lot.
However, this all looked completely fine in the theater for me! What the hell?
Quote from: necrotard on Apr 15, 2008, 06:13:42 AM
Okay, I'm watching the Unrated DVD and I admit, that opening scene in the ship was really f**kin' dark. But I turned the brightness on my TV up a little bit and that helped a lot.
However, this all looked completely fine in the theater for me! What the hell?
yea i thought the same it looked alot better at the cinemas then the dvd with not even brighten up the tv helped....
P.S CLOVERIELD looks AND sounds awesome on dvd ;D ;D
QuoteWhat the hell?
This is the colour correction for the DVD the BS have been talking about.
I found the BD very dark. I could hardly see the difference between Chet and aliens in the sewer. Even the day scenes, like driving into town were abnormally dark.
The DVD version is considerably brighter.
so the blu-ray has ifferant lighting than the dvd?
The colours are more vibrant.
The dvd special edition is not dark, I can see whats going on and then some.
Does the Blu-Ray version really offer anything more than the DVD?
The worst scene, darkness wise, in the movie was the hospital scene. The only other scene I had much of a problem with was the sewer scene and that was only in certain shots.
I could hardly see a thing at the hospital in the cinema.
Do you folks mean outside or inside the hospital? The only scene that I was blind in was Chet in the bushes. Everything else was clear to me.
When they firsy enter the hospital, I literally thought the projector had stopped.
lol... It was a budget saving technique. I'm using a CRT, I would hate to imagine what this movie looks like on an LCD, detail would be zero.
Quote from: Bronx19 on Apr 16, 2008, 01:01:18 AM
lol... It was a budget saving technique. I'm using a CRT, I would hate to imagine what this movie looks like on an LCD, detail would be zero.
You realize that LCD / HDTV have a higher contrast ratio than a tube/CRT right?
crts can show darker blacks. since lcds are backlit it only shows grey.
Although I enjoyed the movie for what it was and saw it twice at the cinema... Ummm..
How can I say this? I am actually disappointed with the whole darkness issue of the DVD quality. In the cinema, I could see everything even when it was dark but the DVD picture quality is obviously different...
So I've taken a few screenshots from the DVD and adjusted the lighting, and EVERYTHING could be seen a WHOLE lot better. Especially the scene where Wolf was in the throne room, in the cinema, I could see his face but on the DVD, you can't...
[Sighs out] Although I thought AvP-R was one of the best movies of 2007... the DVD has... mediocre quality in terms of picture quality when compared to seeing it on the cinema screen...
If the Strauses do AvP3... they better had learn from theri mistakes in terms of lighting..
Downbelow are the edited and unedited screenshots of Wolf in his throne room...
-Rakai'Thwei
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^Unfortunately, the DVD was mastered using a darkened copy of the film, so lightening it leads to shifting pixels and banding colors in certain areas. At first I thought I could do a simple one-pass color correction on the film, but it looks like I'm gonna have to go scene-by-scene to get anything looking halfway decent. :(
Nothing like sitting back, and relaxing while watching a film.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 16, 2008, 02:57:18 AM
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That is f**king ridiculous. How did they think that looks good?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 16, 2008, 03:13:39 AM
^Unfortunately, the DVD was mastered using a darkened copy of the film
So wait... we were suckered into buying a DVD of a darkened "copy" of a film rather than a better DVD version from the actual print?
.......What the hell?!...
-Rakai'Thwei
Not exactly what I meant...I'm not sure if I know how to get my meaning across.
Ummm...with film, the information is all recorded onto the film, everything you expose to the film is preserved.
The transfer on the DVD, because of the darkened color scheme, has areas within the darkness where digital artifacting is present if you bump up the lighting.
Does that make sense? Anyway, the simple version is "making DVD image lighter look crummier than should" :)
Well that makes more sense, I suppose!
-Rakai'Thwei
Man, I thought it was just your computer, I threw my copy into PowerDVD and got the same thing.
Shame.
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 16, 2008, 04:04:09 AM
Man, I thought it was just your computer, I threw my copy into PowerDVD and got the same thing.
Shame.
Tell me about it--- I mean I enjoyed the movie for what it is and marked it as one of the best of 2007, but the DVD doesn't live up to what was seen in the cinema in terms of picture quality.
-Rakai'Thwei
i remember seeing tv spots were the movie looked awesome ill c if u can find them and show them especially on one were wolf gets up witch looks good i mean look at my sig pic looks then the hwole movie it sel ;D
Turn the brightness up a little bit and it looks fine.
I watched it last night with no problem after doing so.
found some
http://www.joblo.com/video/player.php?video=AVPR-Evolution
http://www.joblo.com/video/player.php?video=AVPR-Take-Off
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 16, 2008, 01:19:50 AM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Apr 16, 2008, 01:01:18 AM
lol... It was a budget saving technique. I'm using a CRT, I would hate to imagine what this movie looks like on an LCD, detail would be zero.
You realize that LCD / HDTV have a higher contrast ratio than a tube/CRT right?
Contrast ratio's are meaningless, and have nothing to do with black levels.
Those tv spots look great. The red band trailer looked even better. Why the hell did it end up so dark in theatres and apparently on DVD too? I can accept and bear with other weaknesses in the movie but the darkness is inexcusable.
The creatures are the reason for the movie, what's the point if you can't even make them out? In that tv spot alone I could see that the Wolf has a white eye...I never would've known it from watching the movie.
Quote from: Bronx19 on Apr 16, 2008, 11:56:14 AM
Contrast ratio's are meaningless, and have nothing to do with black levels.
You sure about that? There are a greater number of dark colors that can be displayed on LDC/HDTV than CRT.
Hence better picture.
Areas that are meant to be black are pitch black, with dark greys,and light greys also showing up, where in a CRT, they would all be dark grey.
Yes, the commercials look perfect. Somehow the actual film does not. What a f**king jip.
The trailer looks amazing its a shame the film wasnt. :'(
I dont see what the fuss is all about
I bought my dvd, and watched it, Somehow, it is lighter than the theater version, but the volume could be a bit louder, i mean, i had my TV up almost at max volume, and couldn't get the right feel from the sounds.
yes shame thats all i can think off after seeing the DVD i beared with the cinemas but the dvd is just bad and one of the guys said this is a very good movie and i do like it alot bbut the dvd is very very questionable.....
I liked the film but I never saw Chet properly. If I hadn't had seen pictures on this site of Chet I would have thought she was black. Wolf was OK. The darkness ruined the film for me. And Wolf, he was like God. I liked the film in general but I did not like the darkness or the strength of Wolf. Oh and if I hadn't read that he had a 'power gauntlet' I would have thought he did a Superman and smashed through the pavement with his fist.
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Apr 16, 2008, 04:19:38 PM
I liked the film but I never saw Chet properly. If I hadn't had seen pictures on this site of Chet I would have thought she was black. Wolf was OK. The darkness ruined the film for me. And Wolf, he was like God. I liked the film in general but I did not like the darkness or the strength of Wolf. Oh and if I hadn't read that he had a 'power gauntlet' I would have thought he did a Superman and smashed through the pavement with his fist.
You saw him activate the gauntlet didn't you?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 16, 2008, 02:57:18 AM
Downbelow are the edited and unedited screenshots of Wolf in his throne room...
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wow....If the whole movie looks like that.... :-\
The DVD is that dark? Thats just ridiculous. Why do the ensist on everything being so dark?
it wasnt that dark on my dvd
Post a screencap of it
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
QuoteYou saw him activate the gauntlet didn't you?
None of my friends knew about the guantlet before the movie. They all saw him activate it but they didn't actually understand what he was doing, I had to explain it to them.
Quote from: fluxcap on Apr 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
No, it's not. It's nothing a mild increase in your brightness doesn't fix. I saw Wolf's face as clear as in that edited screen cap.
this has nothing to do with the darkness but i was seeing the movie on my portable player witch seems the only way i can see the movie without any problems ,but someone said a few weeks ago that the part in the store right be4 uu about to see wolf go at it it just shows the glass breaking but u can actually see a part from an alien come out with it like the tail or something im just cuz somesaid that that was false and well is not
cheerrss.
What the f**k did that guy just say.
On about the part where wolf blows that Alien out the window.
let me refrase someone said that in the store part were wolf blows off the glass u can actually see a part from an alien fly out too and there were guys in the forum saying that wasnt true but u could see something ly out the store at the same time wolf shots his cannon
you can see its tail
LOL woow they could had atleast show that much LOL
Quote from: necrotard on Apr 16, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Apr 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
No, it's not. It's nothing a mild increase in your brightness doesn't fix. I saw Wolf's face as clear as in that edited screen cap.
You shouldn't have to adjust the brightness in the first place...
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Apr 16, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Apr 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
No, it's not. It's nothing a mild increase in your brightness doesn't fix. I saw Wolf's face as clear as in that edited screen cap.
You shouldn't have to adjust the brightness in the first place...
100% agreed ...
The only point in the movie where i could not see was the shot of the predalien in the bushes, thats it.
Quote from: CELTICPRED on Apr 16, 2008, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: Bronx19 on Apr 16, 2008, 11:56:14 AM
Contrast ratio's are meaningless, and have nothing to do with black levels.
You sure about that? There are a greater number of dark colors that can be displayed on LDC/HDTV than CRT.
Hence better picture.
Areas that are meant to be black are pitch black, with dark greys,and light greys also showing up, where in a CRT, they would all be dark grey.
I'm very sure, you have things mixed up. Only CRT can display true black, LCD can only display shades of grey. By nature Light Emitting Diodes must emit light, they cannot individually be turned off. And HD is irrelevent, CRT has no pixels and thus can actually display far greater 'resolution' than LCD. To round us out, plasma is ahead of LCD, approaching CRT blacks.
Here is an example, the upcoming 9G Pioneer plasma, next to a Samsung F96 LCD.
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LCD is Liquid Crystal Display. Completely different to LEDs ...
And my LCD screen shows a much better black than my standard TV screen. It's actually black.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2008, 12:36:48 AM
And my LCD screen shows a much better black than my standard TV screen. It's actually black.
Just like when playing AvPR on DVD. ;)
Actually I think mine might be plasma ... Either way.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2008, 12:36:48 AM
LCD is Liquid Crystal Display. Completely different to LEDs ...
And my LCD screen shows a much better black than my standard TV screen. It's actually black.
LCD's are LED back lit now, I should have explained further. Your LCD appears to show black during the day, on small segments on the screen. Try a full screen black at night, it will be a dirty grey.
I'll have to check. Still not entirely sure whether it's LCD or Plasma - Easy way to find out, I guess :P
Yep, smash it open and see what comes out. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2008, 03:47:42 AM
I'll have to check. Still not entirely sure whether it's LCD or Plasma - Easy way to find out, I guess :P
Can you actually see your picture during the day time? Or do you have it secluded in a windowless room?
Cause if you can, it is most likely LCD.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Apr 17, 2008, 12:14:40 AM
The only point in the movie where i could not see was the shot of the predalien in the bushes, thats it.
lol.... I like when some of the "fans" here said the people who liked AVP-R saw everything perfectly and the people who hated AVP-R saw nothing.
Well, I guess when you do the math it means that the haters are blind and will continue to hate the film mindlessly so they don't contradict themselves. Since the haters pumped themselves up to hate the movie before it even came out I guess they have to continue to stay in character, which is to hate the film and try to sound sophicated at the sametime. When in reality, most people are thinking "why are they still here?".
"AVPgalaxy," I wonder what that means :o
I know for sure it doesn't stand for AVPhatersgalaxy.
And yet Antman said the film looks perfectly clear and he stills hates it.
Idiot.
The person.
I was incredibly hyped to see the film. And I walked in with high hopes, knowing it was gonna be good.
I walked out after it was over, upset, and let down.
Does that make me a hater?
And I could see alot in the theater, and I couldn't see alot...
So you be the judge.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2008, 04:12:45 AM
And yet Antman said the film looks perfectly clear and he stills hates it.
I've had to revise that, unfortunately. It's impenetrably dark in all but the most ideal of conditions. :(
Still one of the most spurious haters v lickers arguments so far though. :)
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 17, 2008, 04:17:32 AM
The person who hates the film and continues to take time off to visit the films thread just to post more negative posts is the idiot.
SM does not hate the film. I believe he has reserved judgement for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2008, 04:12:45 AM
And yet Antman said the film looks perfectly clear and he stills hates it.
Idiot.
Ditto. I only had a problem with the lighting on pirated copies, and during the staircase sequence in the hospital.
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 17, 2008, 04:20:13 AM
I was incredibly hyped to see the film. And I walked in with high hopes, knowing it was gonna be good.
I walked out after it was over, upset, and let down.
Does that make me a hater?
And I could see alot in the theater, and I couldn't see alot...
So you be the judge.
I would just ask yourself these questions....
-- Why am I posting in a thread of a film that I thought was such a let down and I hated it so much?
-- Why do I like to relive painful memories of letdown and hate, and also write about it? Am I a emo?
-- If I hate AVP and AVP-R why do I vist a "fan" site called AVPgalaxy all the time when the site clearly isn't called AVPhatersGalaxy?
-- Don't I have better things to do with my time and energy on earth instead of visitng a site called AVPgalaxy, since I hated AVP and AVP-R?
-- Am I getting paid to put in time, money, energy, posting negative comments on the internet to a film I hated so much?
-- What is the pay off of posting negative posts all day to a film I hated so much? Shouldn't I be hangning out with my girlfriend instead?
lol seriously....I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, don't get excited. If you can answer these questions truthfully to yourself, then I guess your here for all the right reasons then lol. Thats all, no strings attached.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 17, 2008, 04:52:32 AM
-- If I hate AVP and AVP-R why do I vist a "fan" site called AVPgalaxy all the time when the site clearly isn't called AVPhatersGalaxy?
How many times do people need to ask this, to get the same f**king answer, before they get a hint?
This site is for the Alien, Predator, and AvP franchises. This isn't AvPButtHuggersGalaxy any more than it is AvPHatersGalaxy; and it's in no way exclusive to the last two of eight movies, or the crossover franchise they're a part of.
Quote-- Am I getting paid to put in time, money, energy, posting negative comments on the internet to a film I hated so much?
I don't know what f**ked up system you're on, but I'm not paying anything to be here. Darkness charging you for your account or something?
Quotelol seriously....I'm not trying to be disrespectful here
lol seriously.... yeah you are.
Not a particularly good try - but a try nonetheless and that's the main thing.
I was going to do something based on him saying "Am I a emo", but that was just too cheap.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 17, 2008, 04:52:32 AM
I would just ask yourself these questions....
-- Why am I posting in a thread of a film that I thought was such a let down and I hated it so much?
I was replying to your statement about...
"lol.... I like when some of the "fans" here said the people who liked AVP-R saw everything perfectly and the people who hated AVP-R saw nothing."
Saying that I am a fan, but yet, I was let down.
Quote
-- Why do I like to relive painful memories of letdown and hate, and also write about it? Am I a emo?
See above answer.
You might also note...
That I post about news of the movie. I work at Best Buy, and I posted about receiving our shipment of the film, and the special offers and such.
AND.
Even though I didn't like the film, I bought it.
I am a collector, I like to HAVE everything that is related to Aliens and Predators.
So I don't see myself "reliving" any letdown.
I love these creatures, and I wish for the day we get a film like the originals...
Though I don't see that happening.
And what if I am or am not Emo?
What difference would that make?
Quote-- If I hate AVP and AVP-R why do I vist a "fan" site called AVPgalaxy all the time when the site clearly isn't called AVPhatersGalaxy?
Did I say I hate AvP?
And this isn't just based off of AvP movies.
If you were here back when I was, you would know this site used to be based off the AvP VIDEO GAME.
Hell, even Darkness, the sites owner didn't like AvP or AvP-R... And yet, he still runs the site...
Hmmm...
Quote-- Don't I have better things to do with my time and energy on earth instead of visitng a site called AVPgalaxy, since I hated AVP and AVP-R?
I work a second job as a graphic designer, and on my free time I visit this site.
So a majority of my time is sitting on my ass, in front of a computer monitor.
So no, I don't have anything better to do.
Quote-- Am I getting paid to put in time, money, energy, posting negative comments on the internet to a film I hated so much?
What if I am?
You don't know this.
Quote-- What is the pay off of posting negative posts all day to a film I hated so much? Shouldn't I be hangning out with my girlfriend instead?
And do I sit in this thread, all day, and make negative posts about this film. No. I barely even post in this specific thread.
And no, I shouldn't be hanging with my girlfriend, because I don't have one at the moment.
So, I made my points.
And may I make a suggestion...
Don't make assumptions.
Thank you for your time.
No...thank you ;)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2008, 05:02:35 AM
I was going to do something based on him saying "Am I a emo", but that was just too cheap.
Yeah, don't stoop down to his level.
By his logic, fans can't be let down or they aren't true fans.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 13, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
I think the scene where wolfs comes out of the water is a day to night conversion, meaning that they shot the scene at daytime and made it look like it was night in post production. hence why the scene is so dark, they had to make the effect more realistic.
I could be wrong though, but since i´m doing DTNC´s all the time i thought it looked like that.
And here we get to the 'Why was Wolf CLOAKED at NIGHT' question... :D :D and :D
And SiL, if you're reading this, I thought what I said was perfectly clear: most people who say they saw everything just fine are AVPR apologists...doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, which there are, for everything... SO, SiL, I take it you saw it just fine then...? ;D ;)
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Apr 16, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Apr 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
No, it's not. It's nothing a mild increase in your brightness doesn't fix. I saw Wolf's face as clear as in that edited screen cap.
You shouldn't have to adjust the brightness in the first place...
You nailed it... ;)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 17, 2008, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Apr 16, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: fluxcap on Apr 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
It's that dark? I was unsure about this purchase to begin with, now forget it altogether.
No, it's not. It's nothing a mild increase in your brightness doesn't fix. I saw Wolf's face as clear as in that edited screen cap.
You shouldn't have to adjust the brightness in the first place...
You nailed it... ;)
Get over it guys. As I've said in another thread, dark video games and the Eraserhead DVD ask you to adjust brightness and nobody complains. But when it involves a film you already don't like, you just add it to your list of complaints. It doesn't take much effort and I'd rather have to do it than not be able to see anything so I can work myself up to complain on the internet.
The darkness ruins my enjoyment of the film. I want to watch it again, but I dont cause I dont want to have to focus everything I have on making it out. It's literally a chore watching the damn thing. Cant just relax and watch it.
Again. That's why God made fan edits.
Quote from: Horhey on Apr 17, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
The darkness ruins my enjoyment of the film. I want to watch it again, but I dont cause I dont want to have to focus everything I have on making it out. It's literally a chore watching the damn thing. Cant just relax and watch it.
As I said, after the hard, strenuous, backbreaking effort of raising your brightness level a few bars and turning your lights off, relaxing with the film becomes effortless.
Brightness only brightens the screen, it doesn't brighten the movie.
I've seen the movie a couple of times now and never had any problems with it being dark,
and notice that I wrote " with it being dark".
I'm not ignoreing it and claiming that it ain't dark.
Sure at some scenes I wish that the details of the creatures would have been shown better,
but I managed to see enough to make a 3 3/4 inch custom action figure just by watching the clips on you tube before the movie came out.
I'll post it in the customs section when I'm able to get some decent pictures of it, I'm useng a mobile phone camera so it ain't an easy task...
However I heard that they would adress the darkness issue on the dvd, but from what I've been reading people are claiming that it's still way to dark.
The ones haveing the DVD was there any improvement?
Was that a question or just self-promotion?
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 17, 2008, 10:51:50 PM
Brightness only brightens the screen, it doesn't brighten the movie.
Then how was I able to see so much better?
I know it looks really dark and it's easy to assume it's just pure black with no hope of ever being able to see anything, but have you guys actually tried this?
Perhaps there is an inverse relationship between budget and darkness.
Couldn't afford lights so they hadda shoot night-for-night.
Necrotard...your post is the only hope I've been feeding off of. I'm currently in Korea and can't buy a copy yet so your post is that last strain of fading sunshine that I'm depending on to light up(pun not intended lol) my avp world ;)
The Darkness didn't bother me at all only if I wacth it in the big screen tv that's the problem I have with it.
Yea I saw shit that I've never seen before after watching it on my verrrrry old 27inch crt.
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Apr 18, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
The Darkness didn't bother me at all only if I wacth it in the big screen tv that's the problem I have with it.
same as me the movie looks awesome on portable dvd and on my widescreen laptop but if i put on the big tv now i have a serious problem..
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 18, 2008, 12:55:02 AM
Was that a question or just self-promotion?
That was a question.
But when Il get some good pictures, I'll let the figure promote itself.
Good or bad, I'll let other people be the judge of that... ;)
It is pretty damn sad at how dark the Unrated version is.It's f**king daylight and we have darkness?Pathetic.Greg and Colin officially fail at impressing the fans.I have a big tv so maybe thats the problem.We can't even see the gore because of this darkness!
Then see it on a small tv Zero.
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Apr 19, 2008, 01:32:26 AM
Then see it on a small tv Zero.
Lol,I don't get into my personal life so leave it at this;We don't have a small TV
If the Darkness problem was accidental
I doubt it, how could it be, I mean think about it, they have control over the amount of light that goes into a scene, I've seen pictures of shots that have been brightened, and they look perfect, so I doubt that their was A) completely accidental and B) that they tried as best as possible to fix it.
Low Budget!
If it was accidental, then why did they greenlight it and start mass producing copies to be sold all over the world? :)
Because FOX spits in your face
Bad Directors
This is the look they wanted. Though I have to go on record and say I had no problem seeing at all. Will be interested to see how the extreme unrated looks.
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 27, 2008, 01:11:53 AM
If it was accidental, then why did they greenlight it and start mass producing copies to be sold all over the world? :)
same reason they f**ked up the blu-ray. they shouldv kept the colour from the redband trailer.
It's as simple as this - They didn't light it correctly.
Quote from: bobcunk on Apr 27, 2008, 07:38:02 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 27, 2008, 01:11:53 AM
If it was accidental, then why did they greenlight it and start mass producing copies to be sold all over the world? :)
same reason they f**ked up the blu-ray. they shouldv kept the colour from the redband trailer.
...watching my blu-ray, and I have to ask, wtf are you referring too? The coloring is fine.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2008, 07:41:07 AM
It's as simple as this - They didn't light it correctly.
It wasn't what they did while filming, the red-band trailer is proof of that, but it's what they did to change it in post-production.
QuoteIt's as simple as this - They didn't light it correctly.
Wrong, the lighting is great and has nothing to do with avp-r´s darkness.
Remember the leaked graveyard clip? It was bright and all and you could see every little detail, in the movie it is dark as f**k because they color timed it.
The movies darkness was their personal choice because obviously, they like it that way.
Dont know why, but thats the way it it.
1. They had to mask the low budget
2. Daniel Pearl sucks, have you ever watched Pathfinder or the TCM remake?
3. No one had any idea what they were doing in this film
Quote from: Zero on Apr 27, 2008, 01:03:04 AM
If the Darkness problem was accidental
No Colin says on the dvd that the film is going to be set in the rain in the dark.
Quote from: Dr. Wren on Apr 27, 2008, 01:14:47 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Apr 27, 2008, 01:13:42 AM
Bad Directors
Exactly
i dont see how the final products lighting has anything to do with they're in-movie directional skills
It's like Johnny said, the cinematography is fine. Look at the early trailers, and it looks great. It's the color grading that f**ked it up.
Reading interviews before the movie was released, I got the distinct impression that Colin and Greg didn't "get" the Alien movies. From reading their comments, it sounds like Colin and Greg's thought process for their movie was "Aliens is scary and there is lots of rain and darkness in Aliens, ergo Aliens is scary because of the rain and darkness."
it wasn't an accident.
And I thought it looked fine.
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 27, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
1. They had to mask the low budget
2. Daniel Pearl sucks, have you ever watched Pathfinder or the TCM remake?
3. No one had any idea what they were doing in this film
I watched TCM remake, and the look of the movie was awesome.
I thought the TCM sucked. It had very little to do with the orginal movie and the characters where so annoying. The movie used too much blood and not enough suspense unlike the original movie had. The remake was better then the Psycho remake but still a very bad movie.
One of the reasons I bought the dvd was that the darkness problem was supposed to be fixed for the dvd, as I had read that somewhere. So I bought the Extreme Unrated Set, and after seeing that they never fixed anything that I could tell, well I feel very, very cheated.
Thats funny because I was thinking the exact same thing when i watched it for the first time on DVD 2 days ago. I thought what if it was another F*ck up.
I cannot believe that some people say its fine, I had to shut all the blinds in my front room, and turn the brighness up full and i still had to rewind to see if i could catch a glimpse.
The predalien at the start is aperfect example.
Quote from: Zero on Apr 27, 2008, 01:03:04 AM
If the Darkness problem was accidental
It's just stupidity. It's not an accident, obviously - we've seen high quality well-lit PHOTOS from the set.
It still doesnt explain why everything's so dam dark. There's a difference between keeping things in the shadows for suspense and just plain darkness for the sake of it.
I'm still sure its because of the effects.
Although, Strause did say it was a 'projector problem' when it first released.
I just watched the HD version of the red band trailer, and damn the movie does look good in there.
Its bright and the little details you can make out are great.
The movie is over-stylized now with all the blue and green tones in it.
Lots of new movies make those mistakes, movies dont look natural anymore, they look like video games or something you would watch on MTV.
The red band trailer had the perfect look.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 01:26:43 AM
I thought the TCM sucked. It had very little to do with the orginal movie and the characters where so annoying. The movie used too much blood and not enough suspense unlike the original movie had. The remake was better then the Psycho remake but still a very bad movie.
You're entitled to that opinion, but none of what you said had anything to do with the cinematography. :)
Am I the only one that didn't really have a problem seeing stuff on this film in the theater? I don't really see any problem on the DVD either.
Every other director in Hollywood today comes from directing damn music videos, that's why they stylize everything and have editing that makes everything impossible to see.
Even David Fincher tends to go overboard.
It's like a plague. Look at Kubrick's or Kurosawa's films, they look incredible. Today's directors just want their films to look cool.
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 28, 2008, 07:17:25 PM
Today's directors just want their films to look cool.
Not true, Guillermo del Toro and Christopher Nolan has made some great movies. Paul Thomas Anderson is another good morden director as well.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 01:26:43 AM
I thought the TCM sucked. It had very little to do with the orginal movie and the characters where so annoying. The movie used too much blood and not enough suspense unlike the original movie had. The remake was better then the Psycho remake but still a very bad movie.
I said the
look of the movie, the movie sucks but i watch it because i was bored :P
there are movies that suck but look great.
Quote from: D88M on Apr 28, 2008, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 01:26:43 AM
I thought the TCM sucked. It had very little to do with the orginal movie and the characters where so annoying. The movie used too much blood and not enough suspense unlike the original movie had. The remake was better then the Psycho remake but still a very bad movie.
I said the look of the movie, the movie sucks but i watch it because i was bored :P
Oh i thought you said you like the movie and the movie look good.
i actuly realy enjoyed the tcm remake. but the scyco remake was too much like the oeiganal. i think the best remakes are the thing and the fly.
Everytime I see the store showdown clip on IGN it makes me mad. Why on earth would you make it more darker? I think this was a terrible,rookie, careless, f**ked up mistake. I mean, they had everything going for them, R rating, great action scenes, great special effects, one hell of score and then they f**ked up by making a extremely stupid mistake that doesn't take a master in film to know. Someone made a mistake in the editing room and then the Strause Brothers just rolled with it ::)
It's really a shame because AVP-R is a good movie that has great visuals, but someone seriously f**ked it all up by making it way too dark. You can tell the movie isn't really dark, it's only dark because some f**k face forced it to be dark. This is a mistake and the only problem I have with the film. The first AVP had something which AVP-R didn't, which is better visual quality, but thats it.
If AVP-R would have been left the f**k alone by keeping what the IGN clips had, AVP-R would look freakin insane! I hope the Strause Brother release a definitive version of the film on DVD which has the right color correction.
The first AVP was eye candy, it had impressive visuals and you could see every gritty little detail. AVP-R is so needlessly dark even when you brighten it up you can tell someone f**ked up bigtime. No way in hell did the brothers want this film to be this dark, because if thats true then why f**k aren't their other work as dark? Why isn't their music videos dark? Why aren't their short films dark? I think someone in the editing room made a stupid mistake and because of a short deadline the Strause Brothers rolled with it and didn't fix it.
What a shame, it's such a fun movie to watch, but it's being suffercated needlessly by poor brightness levels.
The movie is ridiculously dark. That is a fact. Even alot AVP R apolagists say this. This is where you f**ked up Colin and Greg. You shouldve copied Aliens lighting.
Aliens' lighting was suited to an industrial/military setting, there's no guarantee that it would fit an urban setting. Copy/pasting elements from previous films is one of the areas where Colin and Greg make consistent mistakes in my opinion because they showed a lack of contextual understanding.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 29, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Aliens' lighting was suited to an industrial/military setting, there's no guarantee that it would fit an urban setting. Copy/pasting elements from previous films is one of the areas where Colin and Greg make consistent mistakes in my opinion because they showed a lack of contextual understanding.
They couldve made it dark, but to where you can easily make out whats going on without having to turn off the lights.
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 27, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
2. Daniel Pearl sucks, have you ever watched Pathfinder or the TCM remake?
Actually the cinematography of TCM and Pathfinder are one of the extremly few things the films were praised for.
AVP-R has alot to offer on the visual side, only if the darkness wasn't choking the life out of it.
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
^^
You dont see the Bluray shots?
what blue ray shots? the ones phantom just posted are from the dvd and the ign clip.
Oh. I figured they were blueray cause theyre clear like the ones Ive seen.
Youre right Phantom.
The IGN clip does have such a great look to it. Its not too bright but its normal for such a movie, you can still see all those details, like in the red band trailer.
I would love to know what they were taking when they made the color timing goddamn.
They really shot themselfes into the knee with the darkness.
If you look at their past work, none of their stuff look too dark. Everything looks perfect and has great stunning visuals. I think someone in the editing department f**ked up bigtime on AVP-R!
And since everyone was on a short deadline the Strause Brothers had no time to fix it and just rolled with it ::)
Everytime I look at the IGN clips, the visual quality is just....amazing! The colors and all the gritty details boost the experience in such a monumental way. If the whole movie looked like that......OMG :o it would be a visual masterpiece.
If there was anything to cry about, bitch about, hate about...it would be the darkness problem. Unless your watching this movie on a sick PC monitor or in the movie theaters, you ain't gonna see jack shit. I hope to god, the Strause Brothers release a definitive version of the movie on DVD that has the correct gamma/brightness settings so the movie can look the way it's suppose to look. I know for a fact if they did this, they would make Sooooo much money off that one DVD release. Everyone will beable to see it, everyone will gush over the visual quality and it would boost the AVP-R experience in such a great postive way.
There have been many different versions of Star Wars and Blade Runner and eve the Alien movies, so......it's not too late for the Brothers to fix this and make more money.
QuoteIf the whole movie looked like that......OMG Shocked it would be a visual masterpiece.
I agree, the look of the IGN clip is just pure eye candy.
If the whole movie looked like this it would have been an amazing experience on blue ray.
They're not gonna correct the problem. Were stuck with this bullshit. But the blueray version does look clear though, from what Ive seen.
Quote from: Horhey on Apr 29, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
They're not gonna correct the problem. Were stuck with this bullshit
I believe in the near future they will, they have a great opportunity to make more money, just by making the film look monumentally better.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 05:52:19 PM
Quote from: Horhey on Apr 29, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
They're not gonna correct the problem. Were stuck with this bullshit
I believe in the near future they will, they have a great opportunity to make more money, just by making the film look monumentally better.
I wouldnt buy it a second time though, and you shouldnt too Phantom.
When it comes to that point to when studios release their movies so dark that you have to buy them again later it would be pretty sad dont you think?
Its something i expect when i buy a dvd that i can see the movie properly.
I just saw the redband trailer again.
Colin, respond. Look at that shit! ^^ What the f**k man..
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
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.........Shit
Colin, respond. Im pissed.
I'm pretty sure they made a lot of changes after the trailer because they think making things dark will make it cool looking.
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
Mood...
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Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
Mood...
Dude, f**k that shit.
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Holy shit...
Alot of people were complaining it was too dark in the theatre, so what do they do for the DVD? They make it 3 times darker. They smokin crack?
Quote from: Horhey on Apr 29, 2008, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 29, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
Mood...
Dude, f**k that shit.
To be honest mate this is the onley problem I have with this movie, but from the DvD features it sounded like it was Daniel Pearl's idea to make it dark so They didnt show the Creatures too much........... :-\
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I'm pretty sure they made a lot of changes after the trailer because they think making things dark will make it cool looking.
..................?
It makes It Look Like A Dark Piece Of Shit
I bet it was, "oh shit, the Aliens look fake as f**k. Looks like we're just gonna have to darken it until they become passable."
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 29, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Horhey on Apr 29, 2008, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 29, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
i wonder why the hell the BS made that dark. colin says that he had no problem seeing it while it while making it...that cant be true the thing is practically pitch black!
Mood...
Dude, f**k that shit.
To be honest mate this is the onley problem I have with this movie, but from the DvD features it sounded like it was Daniel Pearl's idea to make it dark so They didnt show the Creatures too much........... :-\
Yea, that's what Cameron did with Aliens and it works, but you could still see your hand in front of your face if you were in the movie. No wonder I got a headache watching it.
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 29, 2008, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I'm pretty sure they made a lot of changes after the trailer because they think making things dark will make it cool looking.
..................?
It makes It Look Like A Dark Piece Of Shit
Well they think it cool for them to make things dark. IMHO making it dark make it even worst.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 29, 2008, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I'm pretty sure they made a lot of changes after the trailer because they think making things dark will make it cool looking.
..................?
It makes It Look Like A Dark Piece Of Shit
Well they think it cool for them to make things dark. IMHO making it dark make it even worst.
When I watch a Predator movie I want to see the Predator.
Interesting.
They went in and edited it like that,adding shade.Thats why it's shit
You would have to be a crack.
The DVD was dark, but not as bad as those shots. I didn't find that the film was too dark. I would have liked it to be a little lighter, but overall it wasn't a deal breaker.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are several things I like about the movie and several things I don't like. But the only unforgivable aspect of this movie that you can't even see it! As has been mentioned above--why make such awesome creatures, visual effects, sets, etc just to darken it so you can't appreciate it.
I like the red band trailer--you can see there was so much effort put into the movie and you can appreciate little details. With the DvD--forget the details you can't even see what's going on!!
What the hell!?!
Are the special features worth a rental?
lmao at those pics. Strauses doing color grading = epic fail.
Another reasson why they made it dark because they want people to be scared of the movie and want them to think what going on in the movie.
Yeah but audience need to be thrown a fricking bone too.
Look at the original films - yes, the Alien is predominantly kept in darkness - but you can still tell what's going on. The audience needs to be able to at least join the dots.
I remember getting turned off the Pirates of the Carribean flicks after sitting halfway through the second film on DVD and having very little idea what was going on because it was so freaking dark.
Too much dakrness isn't scary - it's just annoying. Too bad the BS focused all their energies on Aliens. They coulda learned a thing or two from Alien3 from the look of it.
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 30, 2008, 12:47:50 AM
lmao at those pics. Strauses doing color grading = epic fail.
Yep!
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 04:50:25 PM
I can just imagine how good it would look if it had the correct gamma/brightness settings, really is a shame. The only thing that the first AVP has over AVP-R was it's perfect visual quality.
What are you on about, at least AvP:R had colour. AvP was grey and boring.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 30, 2008, 12:51:31 AM
Another reasson why they made it dark because they want people to be scared of the movie and want them to think what going on in the movie.
"It doesnt matter what" the reason is!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2008, 01:32:49 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 04:50:25 PM
I can just imagine how good it would look if it had the correct gamma/brightness settings, really is a shame. The only thing that the first AVP has over AVP-R was it's perfect visual quality.
What are you on about, at least AvP:R had colour. AvP was grey and boring.
At least we could see in AVP.
I saw in AvP:R. AvP, not as much.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 30, 2008, 01:36:17 AM
I saw in AvP:R. AvP, not as much.
You think AvP:R was easier to watch than AvP?
For me it was.
What copy did you get? My eyes were hurting after squinting for so long.
I downloaded the Blu-Ray. and I saw it in theatres 3 times...I acknowledge it was dark, but I didn't have a problem. The third time I saw it was in HD which was really good.
I have the blue ray copy too.
Someone said it earlier and I think its a good guess that the darkness was to cover up shoddy effects work.
Yep, they probably darkened it to cover up the crappy ass shots, and there are a lot of them of the Aliens.
Oh and making it so dark you see almost pure blackness is better? :D
For that, you failed all the way and shouldn't have even made the f**king movie in the first place!
What I believe what happened is that someone made a stupid mistake with the color grading and the Strauses just rolled with it because there still making money off the film....so who cares right?
If they don't fix the darkness problem for AVP-R I hope and pray they never get the chance to direct AVP3......bam! I said it!
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 02:29:53 AM
Oh and making it so dark you see almost pure blackness is better? :D
For that, you failed all the way and shouldn't have even made the f**king movie in the first place!
What I believe what happened is that someone made a stupid mistake with the color grading and the Strauses just rolled with it because there still making money off the film....so who cares right?
If they don't fix the darkness problem for AVP-R I hope and pray they never get the chance to direct AVP3......bam! I said it!
This could be the way they want us to see the film. I'm not saying its right, but maybe they thought it would create a more scary and uneasy feeling in the auidence. Which they failed at.
I still go with the shoddy effects theory.
That doesn't make any sense because the IGN clips clearly show the film in great color grading condition and nothing looked fake or fake enough to make the film so god dam dark. I just think they f**ked up and instead of fixing it they rolled with it.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 02:22:42 AM
I have the blue ray copy too, it's a dark movie, nothing you say supports your claims. Haven't you seen the pictures I've been posting today?! They f**ked up on the DVD....plane and simple and if they don't fix it and make it look like the IGN clips to where you don't have to adjust your TV to see it right I will never forgive the Strause Brothers for this.
You're not listening to me. I acknowledge the film had a darkness problem. I never said it didn't. BUT. It didn't bother me that much.
Thanks for the comparisons, Phantom. That was my suspicion upon seeing the film, initially. There are some production stills which look much better than the eventual segments of film they were taken from. I had hoped the DVD had brushed things up a bit, but you've just proven it never did.
Handsome claims the opposite, so, I'd like him to look at the comparison examples you gave and tell us if his reigion of DVD differs massively or if it's the same.
I read a DVD review last week that also complained about the murk. Such words as "abominable", "ill-conceived", "annoying", "ill-lit", "utterly disposable" (in regards to human characters), "rubbish plotting", "virtually impossible to make any sense of the action" were also used.
Not bad out of a review that was only about 50 words long.
Did you read Empire's review? They gave it one star. Did not like the movie, no sir.
I generally avoid the local version of Empire and can't afford the Pommy one.
:-\
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2008, 06:53:09 AM
I read a DVD review last week that also complained about the murk.
Murk is a good word for it, as it's not just that the film is dark. Even outdoor scenes set during full daylight are drab and muddy. (And that's not even counting the pitch black shadowed areas.)
Clearly from the pictures I posted everyone working on AVP-R seemed to be on the right track with the color grading in the begining. But the finished product everyone must of had a serious brain fart and push the brightness settings all the way to low and then pressed print by accident.
I'm still trying to understand the logic behind this and still trying so very hard to put myself in the shoes of the colossal idiot responsible of the color grading. Why did he decide to crush the visual quality of the film? Why did he want to choke the living shit out of the original color grading? Why was he hired in the first place? Why god....why?!
I just can't wrap my head around it. I can wrap my head around to why they made the first AVP PG-13 and even why they did the team up that most of the fans hated. But when it comes to the piss poor color grading for AVP-R hmmm.....I don't have a logical answer for that. I can't picture a human being involved in film every saying out loud to anyone "we should make this movie darker!" I just can't see the sanity behind that. Maybe the guy who did the final color grading was a terrorist and wanted to give us all a shitty movie to rape all our hopes and dreams, that would seem like a logical explanation to me.
Them hopes and dreams had be well and truly defiled long before someone leaned on the Brightness (-) button in Windows Movie Maker.
Colin did say this was the correct color grading for the film.
I don't understand it either, but I will say in some places it works and others it doesn't. Some good examples of where it worked were the sewer scenes. Other places it didn't were the hospital and store scenes.
Maybe you're right though. They just rolled with it because it sounds like they had very little time to do anything on this movie.
Its like the scene where the camara pans up the building wall to Wolf, its f**king terrible.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 30, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
Colin did say this was the correct color grading for the film.
Thats what amazes me, if thats the correct color grading then AVP-R is the darkest movie in history. The color grading makes the movie look way too dark and at the sametime distorts the picture quality to where you see any many areas of grey and colors trying to burst out but can't. Nothing of the picture quality is balanced in the film. HD blu-ray couldn't even safe the piss poor picture quality of this film and thats amazing and f**king retarded at the sametime.
The sharpness in the picture is totally f**ked up because of incorrect color grading. Whats funny is how people spent so much time, money and energy building the Strause Brothers these awesome hive and sewer sets only for their hard efforts to be totally annihilated by piss poor color grading. Why did they even hire Daniel Pearl? If only in the end the movie was going to look so f**king dark you couldn't he his brilliant work on lighting sets correctly? He could have just gotten paid for doing nothing instead of having him work so hard and then pay him ::)
But you wanna know what really ticks me off >:( It's the fact that this small little problem can be easley fixed and no one is gonna do jack shit about it, because everyone already got paid and it would make no sense to go back and "throw a dog a bone" like SM said, meaning giving back to the fans.
I'd rather see AVP, atleast it's eye candy and I can f**king see it and it has the right "color correction" to where I don't have to adjust shit to see it ;)
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 30, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
Colin did say this was the correct color grading for the film.
Why did they even hire Daniel Pearl?
From the sounds of it on the DvD it was his idea
Quote from: shakermakerman on Apr 30, 2008, 04:37:56 PM
Its like the scene where the camara pans up the building wall to Wolf, its f**king terrible.
agreed! the other scene was where the camera pans up the tree SLOWLY and sits on Wolf who was healing himself.
When my brother and I were watching it, when it came to the pan up the tree, my brothers asked, "What are we looking at?"
I'm like, "A tree..."
The visual quality of the film makes no sense what so ever!
I blame the camera for the problems with viewing in some scenes. Particularly when it was panning up the tree and the building side. If it hadn't been so damn close, maybe we'd have seen better.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 02:29:53 AM
Oh and making it so dark you see almost pure blackness is better? :D
For that, you failed all the way and shouldn't have even made the f**king movie in the first place!
What I believe what happened is that someone made a stupid mistake with the color grading and the Strauses just rolled with it because there still making money off the film....so who cares right?
If they don't fix the darkness problem for AVP-R I hope and pray they never get the chance to direct AVP3......bam! I said it!
Wow, you're really in deep shit if the Pred boys get pissed off by the movie.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 01, 2008, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 02:29:53 AM
Oh and making it so dark you see almost pure blackness is better? :D
For that, you failed all the way and shouldn't have even made the f**king movie in the first place!
What I believe what happened is that someone made a stupid mistake with the color grading and the Strauses just rolled with it because there still making money off the film....so who cares right?
If they don't fix the darkness problem for AVP-R I hope and pray they never get the chance to direct AVP3......bam! I said it!
Wow, you're really in deep shit if the Pred boys get pissed off by the movie.
phantom has a great point, did you see the pics he posted? compared to the other movies avp-r is almost pitch black! and the BS keep insisting its not.
I bought the Unrated unfortunately(Hey, had no choice, I was at Best Buy getting GTA IV and went on a craze with all these new items, so there's another 20 bucks for your fat wallets, Fox.).
So as soon as I'm done playing the hell out of GTA IV I'll tell you guys if it's dark on mine.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 01, 2008, 12:31:28 AM
I bought the Unrated unfortunately(Hey, had no choice, I was at Best Buy getting GTA IV and went on a craze with all these new items, so there's another 20 bucks for your fat wallets, Fox.).
So as soon as I'm done playing the hell out of GTA IV I'll tell you guys if it's dark on mine.
Wow...all this time spent bashing the film and you bought it...I don't know if I'm impressed or shocked.
Baffled.
But then SiL bought it too.
Boggles the mind.
i rented it (still feeling dirty about it) so that i could listen to the commentary, then i ripped it to my computer so i could reference it whenever i needed to.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 01, 2008, 12:31:28 AM
I bought the Unrated unfortunately(Hey, had no choice, I was at Best Buy getting GTA IV and went on a craze with all these new items, so there's another 20 bucks for your fat wallets, Fox.).
So as soon as I'm done playing the hell out of GTA IV I'll tell you guys if it's dark on mine.
It will be dark, I promise you. If you thought it was dark in the movie theaters just wait until you see it on DVD, it's darker.
Damn dude, not liking AVP-R any more, is it because of the DVD? I watched the Unrated DVD and yeah it was dark at some points but it just didn't bother me that much. There were only two points where I couldn't tell what was going on. The predalien in the bushes and the pizza guy gettin killed. Yeah there's no excuse but I still like the movie the same as in the theater.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 01, 2008, 12:56:01 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 01, 2008, 12:31:28 AM
I bought the Unrated unfortunately(Hey, had no choice, I was at Best Buy getting GTA IV and went on a craze with all these new items, so there's another 20 bucks for your fat wallets, Fox.).
So as soon as I'm done playing the hell out of GTA IV I'll tell you guys if it's dark on mine.
Wow...all this time spent bashing the film and you bought it...I don't know if I'm impressed or shocked.
Wasting a year defending, yes, me, DEFENDING the movie, why not buy it...
The main reason I'm not anymore is because, well, the proof is there. I thought it was going to actually be good. I felt kind of pissed off, ya know? It's like "I spent a year defending THAT?".
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 01, 2008, 01:50:57 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 01, 2008, 12:31:28 AM
I bought the Unrated unfortunately(Hey, had no choice, I was at Best Buy getting GTA IV and went on a craze with all these new items, so there's another 20 bucks for your fat wallets, Fox.).
So as soon as I'm done playing the hell out of GTA IV I'll tell you guys if it's dark on mine.
It will be dark, I promise you. If you thought it was dark in the movie theaters just wait until you see it on DVD, it's darker.
Wow, you're...*cringes* right. It's dark all right.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on May 01, 2008, 02:46:40 AM
Damn dude, not liking AVP-R any more, is it because of the DVD? I watched the Unrated DVD and yeah it was dark at some points but it just didn't bother me that much. There were only two points where I couldn't tell what was going on. The predalien in the bushes and the pizza guy gettin killed. Yeah there's no excuse but I still like the movie the same as in the theater.
I don't hate the movie, theres an awesome movie under all that darkness.
I wish the film would have been left the f**k alone and just keep what was already working for them. Which was the first color grading we saw in greenband/redband trailers. It looked great and had a strong visual presents to it.
But like I said, I'm done bitching and crying, right now I just sat down to watch the film again. It's alot of fun and I still like it. I just wish the color grading would have been left alone so the movie could be even more fun to watch for everyone, you know? :)
I agree.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 01, 2008, 05:28:06 AM
Quote from: Hybrid PM on May 01, 2008, 02:46:40 AM
Damn dude, not liking AVP-R any more, is it because of the DVD? I watched the Unrated DVD and yeah it was dark at some points but it just didn't bother me that much. There were only two points where I couldn't tell what was going on. The predalien in the bushes and the pizza guy gettin killed. Yeah there's no excuse but I still like the movie the same as in the theater.
I don't hate the movie, theres an awesome movie under all that darkness.
I wish the film would have been left the f**k alone and just keep what was already working for them. Which was the first color grading we saw in greenband/redband trailers. It looked great and had a strong visual presents to it.
But like I said, I'm done bitching and crying, right now I just sat down to watch the film again. It's alot of fun and I still like it. I just wish the color grading would have been left alone so the movie could be even more fun to watch for everyone, you know? :)
Yeah I hear ya, its funny though, everyone that I've watched the movie with have said nothing about the darkness, just casual movie goers and they all liked it. Guess the hardcore fans just expect a little more!
Just alittle more brightness, thats it :D
all their bulbs broke ;D
Quote from: Bone Crusher on May 03, 2008, 06:38:47 PM
all their bulbs broke ;D
yeh the ones in they're heads
Phantom you and I are on the exact same page man. I think this film definitely had some points it could've improved on, but I think the movie, besides the coloring, is very entertaining. All I want is to be able to see it!!!
Your alien still shot comparison is dead on unfortunately :(
Once I found out that the Strause Brothers fired the man who did the original color grading.
You know the whole darkness thing could've been used to great effect if the damn movie was just a little bit scary. But even then it would still be to extreme.
Phantom in the storeroom scene when Dallas looks up and sees the alien coming towards him can you make anything out of the shot of alien crawling on the ceiling? I can see a shape but nothing more.
In the theater I swore I could see the alien.
Well, did it bother you? For me, the movie was fine except for that horrible probem. At some points I could see literally nothing!
Some parts did like in the hive when the Aliens came out of the wall. I can barely see anything. But on my nice tv I can see the rest of it well in the darkness.
I think the reason why.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 07:23:51 PM
Don't even get my started on this subject! lol.
Lets just say this, the darkness problem that choked the life out of AVP-R was the big deal breaker for on this entire franchise. AVP-R made the first AVP look like a f**king masterpiece. I have no faith in this franchise anymore, I hope to god the Strause Brothers get to direct AVP-3 so they can f**k it all up again and make it look retarded/dark. I hope AVP-3 is so bad the franchise soon fades away in our memories.
Zero faith in the AVP movie franchise! It can go to hell in a f**king hand bag for all I care now. Atleast Aliens Colonial Marines is coming out and atleast the AVP comic books are way more entertaining and satisfying. The Strause Brothers can go f**k themselves, they totally TOTALLY crossed the line with me by firing the one guy who was going to safe this film from looking retarded and dark.
No faith in this franchise!
Wow. :o
I actually feel sorry for you.
lol
lol Well, atleast I enjoyed AvP-r. I thought it was great. But next time I'd like the Predator to be menacing and evil like in the first two Predators.
What is that supposed to be?
I feel sorry for all that had the darkness problem, because it wasd totally non-existant for me.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
How could you enjoy a movie that looks like this (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff120%2Facidblood666%2FCGIpieceofshit.jpg&hash=df221b44e151826d7ca2afc2717dc4bc4f76ccb3) ?????
Go watch the first AVP instead, it's much more ummm....viewable.
It looks fine on my tv.
Man even with the brightness turned up you can't see shit.
Come on Colin is this what you really wanted for the dvd?
The theater version was much better.
It's great to have wonderful friends here lol.
The darkness didn't bother me as much as the direction, acting, dialogue, story, setting, special effects, and characters.
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Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
How could you enjoy a movie that looks like this (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff120%2Facidblood666%2FCGIpieceofshit.jpg&hash=df221b44e151826d7ca2afc2717dc4bc4f76ccb3) ?????
Go watch the first AVP instead, it's much more ummm....viewable.
It looks fine on my tv.
For the love of god....show me one single shot of the Alien crawling on that wall that doesn't look dark, distorted, and retarded all at the sametime.
If you can show me one shot of that CGI Alien in a great, sharp, visually stunning condition I just might consider the fact that maybe I have a broken copy of AVP-R.
I'm sorry but that's just bull shit. The film wasn't THAT dark and any claims on it are equally
SHIT.
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Quote from: The Wolf on May 04, 2008, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
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Go watch the first AVP instead, it's much more ummm....viewable.
It looks fine on my tv.
For the love of god....show me one single shot of the Alien crawling on that wall that doesn't look dark, distorted, and retarded all at the sametime.
If you can show me one shot of that CGI Alien in a great, sharp, visually stunning condition I just might consider the fact that maybe I have a broken copy of AVP-R.
I'm sorry but that's just bull shit. The film wasn't THAT dark and any claims on it are equally SHIT.
That was a poor comment...
The film is dark that's a fact. Then people can understand what happen during this scene or not... who care.
AvP:R was just far away than All alien movie ambient light.
All alien movie have great light effect.
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That's what looks like on mine. All default settings.
I just checked the scene in my Bootleg version (its not out here yet) and it really isnt that dark, i can see the alien on the wall ???
Did they make it even darker for the dvd or what? You cant see a damn think in that shot.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 04, 2008, 09:20:59 PM
I just checked the scene in my Bootleg version (its not out here yet) and it really isnt that dark, i can see the alien on the wall ???
Did they make it even darker for the dvd or what? You cant see a damn think in that shot.
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Is that from the dvd or bootleg?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 04, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
Is that from the dvd or bootleg?
Blu-Ray.
edit: I'll take one of the dvd now, brb.
edit2: no need to take a pic, it's the same level of darkness as phantom's pic, seriously messed up.
edit3: turns out my player has different settings for blu-ray and dvd, soooo, my blu ray settings were the default ones, but my normal dvd ones were not, this is what looks like the normal dvd with default settings.
Dvd with default settings:
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Blu-ray with default settings:
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That is what my bootleg looks like, from the brightness point.
Phantoms screenshots are always darker.
It's one of the most common ways to mask bad effects.
It also has to do with Daniel Pearl being a hack. Watch Pathfinder, it also has horrible lighting.
I had no problem with the "darkness" issue. I saw the movie absolutely fine.
Quoteedit2: no need to take a pic, it's the same level of darkness as phantom's pic, seriously messed up.
So the dvd is darker then the blue ray?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 04, 2008, 09:35:18 PM
Quoteedit2: no need to take a pic, it's the same level of darkness as phantom's pic, seriously messed up.
So the dvd is darker then the blue ray?
Edited once again, check for yourself.
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This is how it looks like when you turn the gamma up and you can finally see the f**king Alien. As you can see everything looks grainy and distorted, in other words WORTHLESS and RETARDED.
What a horrible, disgusting display!!!!!
I never had a problem with the darkness, although brightening the TV didn't hurt.
Well said, I wish the Strause Brothers could give us the original AVP-R film so the fans could f**king do the "color correction."
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The Strause Brothers f**ked up...plane and simple.
100% true.
In terms of look i dislike their decisions with a passion.
It was sooo great looking in the trailer and the IGN Store clip. But we had all that before ;)
This is the best thing After Effects can do for it without it looking all crazy.
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Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 10:11:07 PM
Well said, I wish the Strause Brothers could give us the original AVP-R film so the fans could f**king do the "color correction."
The film would still suck even if it was color-corrected. They darkened it to hide the cheap, well, everything. I'll bet you anything the movie cost less than 30 million.
i feel AVPR has lots of flaws storywise, but it's frustrating when one of the biggest problems is a technical one (being too dark) and the bros. strauss even bragged about the amount of time "color correcting" their film... >:(
Quoteey darkened it to hide the cheap, well, everything.
Everything looks great in the trailer and the IGN clip, so i dont think they had to hide anything.
QuoteI'll bet you anything the movie cost less than 30 million.
Yes i think that too.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 04, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on May 04, 2008, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 04, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
Is that from the dvd or bootleg?
Blu-Ray.
edit: I'll take one of the dvd now, brb.
edit2: no need to take a pic, it's the same level of darkness as phantom's pic, seriously messed up.
edit3: turns out my player has different settings for blu-ray and dvd, soooo, my blu ray settings were the default ones, but my normal dvd ones were not, this is what looks like the normal dvd with default settings.
Dvd with default settings:
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Blu-ray with default settings:
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It's STILL TOO f**kING DARK. I have the film on blu-ray too and I don't like the picture quality at all. I hate it, you shouldn't have to adjust your TV to see it, it's f**king annoying!
You should beable to see the Alien clearly walking across the wall and see all it's details that make the Alien...the f**king Alien. I mean come on, Alien and Aliens was dark too but it was still eye candy and you could make out everything that was happening.
The Strause Brothers f**ked up...plane and simple.
Stop saying if it were color corrected, it would be this amazing film. The Alien still wouldn't be the Alien because it wasn't portrayed right at all, I don't think Tom was in the suit at all in the film.
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Stop saying if it were color corrected, it would be this amazing film.
Stop say otherwise.
If the film had good color correction, it would still suck ass. As far as I'm concerned, the darkness is the least of this movie's problems.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 04, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
They darkened it to hide the cheap, well, everything. I'll bet you anything the movie cost less than 30 million.
Thats even more retarded to think they darkened it up so much to hide how fake everything looks. Haven't you seen the HD IGN clip of the store showdown that had the oriiginal color grading? Nothing looks fake, everything looks perfect and viewable!
If you darkened the movie that badly for ANY f**king reason, you failed as a director! You shouldn't have made the movie in the first place if it's gonna look so black and murky. Unless you want to be known as a hack director and your just making the film for a quick buck.
Quote from: LukaKovach on May 04, 2008, 09:20:33 PM
That's what looks like on mine. All default settings.
It's brighter, but look how mental the contrast setting is. Cataract city.
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"Your eyesight will return in time."
Those three pictures bring dishonor to my eyes, they are all dark and crappy. The blu-ray shot is a f**king joke too lol. This is suppose to be blu-ray, state of the bad ass art of all video quality and it still can't make AVP-R look good. Wow is that possible....yes it is sir :D
My monitor brightness is on 100. What are those pics supposed to be besides a little bit of a blur towards the left of the LukaKovach pic?
On the right hand side is an Alien.
...Somewhere.
I can see it in the 2nd pic, but only just barely.
barely visible doesn't cut it. Especially for a sci-fi film that involves Aliens and Predators.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 04, 2008, 09:20:59 PM
I just checked the scene in my Bootleg version (its not out here yet) and it really isnt that dark, i can see the alien on the wall ???
Did they make it even darker for the dvd or what? You cant see a damn think in that shot.
funny that u say that cuz i saw a bootleg one after i saw it in the cinemas and now i have the dvd and i must say that the bootleg one actually is nore clear then the final dvd product sad but true....
They had the brightness on the AVID (or was it WMM?) turned way up.
Not only is it metaphorically unwatchable, it's also literally unwatchable.
i'd also like to just mention that the DVD menu's might be the worst i've seen.
I just thought I'd give it another kick , while it's down... :D
I had no problems in the cinema, but when I got the Unrated DVD I had to turn up some of the settings on my LCD to clear up the picture. Even the scene with Sam & Buddy in the forest looked dark until I adjusted my TV. After that though, everything looked pretty good.
Haven't we already been through you using every available post to bitch about the image quality ... ?
We have now he's posted an eyeball pic.
Sil, why dont you go back to what youve been doing for a year: crying about the sewer fight.
Even when SiL gives AvP:Poo tacet defence, people still moan...
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 05, 2008, 06:52:02 AM
Quote from: SM on May 05, 2008, 04:29:52 AM
They had the brightness on the AVID (or was it WMM?) turned way up.
I have no idea what your talking about? :-\
It's a new way of viewing AVPR, It involves putting a special code into your dvd player.
It worked for me, everything is crystal clear now.
You mean 'Brightness +'? :)
QuoteI have no idea what your talking about?
I meant that when they were recolouring it they hadn't calibrated their monitor properly, so what they thought was good contrast between light and dark - wasn't.
Just being facetious. Don't worry about it.
...The hell?
That's not what they're saying at all.
Somewhere along the line in this conversation, someone failed spectacularly.
And Horhey, up yours.
phantom mate, i was just throwing a line out to see if you'd bite, sorry man :D
You seem so consumed by the darkness problem i thought you might buy that!
It is... too late... he has joined the Darkness Side.
joined, I think he's went full blown palpatine on us, although i did laugh at the eyeball.
What trilogy? ???
Yes because the battles looked good but it was hard to see.
I didn't have a problem with the darkness in the cinema, but watching clips on youtube are just ridiculously dark, so I don't know what they did at the cinema to make it fine.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 05, 2008, 06:47:23 PM
I don't remember every bitching about the darkness problem in the movie theaters.
Many actually did.
Ugh, I have the AvP and AvP-R dvds right next to each other in my dvd collection. It's disgusting to see these two repulsively bad films in my collection. I mean, they're so bad it's offensive. I feel like I need a shower now.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 05:30:06 AM
Bro, let me be the first "Predator fan" ::) to tell you to burn those two movies, burn them right now.
I should. They taint my good dvd collection. Everyone involved with those movies should be ashamed of themselves. How dare you sh*t on Scott's, Cameron's, Weaver's, Giger's, McTiernan's, and Winston's HARD work and efforts into making these series.
Why did you buy them then?
That's pretty much why I bought AvPR. That, and easy reference. And evidence to use in court in the case of crimes against humanity. But like hell I'm going to go buy a special edition.
QuoteCompletion...
Completion of what? Alien has four films. Predator has two. AvP has two. You were completing the AvP series - especially after you didn't like the first one?
P.T. Barnum may never have actually said "There's a sucker born every minute", but Fox sure are running with it.
I like Event Horizon - I know it's a flawed film, but I like it and shelled out for the Special Edition. You've not only shelled out for one but TWO flawed films - but flawed films you don't even like.
It's a massive, massive problem. The footage of the Aliens and Predators in this film is darker than any single shot in any film in either franchise to date. And the saddest part is that there's no excuse for it. Remember the leaked clip of the graveyard scene? On the DVD, it's darkened up about 50 times more. Remember the "Hawkins" tombstone? You can't even see that on DVD. It's unreadable because they felt the need to make the entire film into a CSS (Can't See Shit) production.
Well, I just re-watched the DVD on my computer, & in parts it was so dark I could barely see. Other parts had great lighting, although other times I wouldn't have even known what was happening on-screen if I hadn't seen the movie several times previously. The scene where Wolf kills Ray, for example, was just the sound of blades & some frantic movement, aside from that I couldn't even see what was going on.
The sewer fight & hospital scene had the same problem. There were some shots that were lit well, but when the action started, it looked like alot of flailing around in the dark half the time. I still greatly enjoyed the film though, as there were only a few noticeable shots that actually made me squint to try & see it.
the last 3post everything u guys said is true and i must add to this by saying i have nerver had tears coming down my eyes from watching a movie not until avpr came to dvd my eyes were actualluu hurting,and mind u guy i liked the movie alot but the tint just didnt work for the movie...
Boy, there certainly is a lot of melodrama going on here.
Got an issue? Have a tissue.
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So if AVP3 were directed by someone like Niel Marshall, was respectful to the originals, had a great story, set in the future, and awesome action scenes, you wouldn't be happy? If we somehow got a film like that, I would forget it ever being a trilogy, forget the last 2 films, and make sweet love to the third film. Nothing would be "ruined."
Tis a truth.
Colin hasnt said shit since weve been focusing on this issue.
It didn't bother me too much but it would've been a lot better if it wasn't that dark though.
Quote from: The Wolf on May 04, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
Some parts did like in the hive when the Aliens came out of the wall. I can barely see anything. But on my nice tv I can see the rest of it well in the darkness.
Wait.... aliens were coming out of a wall there? I didn't know that (adn that is REALLY sad).
The DVD was even more darker then the normal version of movie. Some scenes i chould not see anything.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 07:37:51 PM
We tried our best to write to him, telling him what not to do with the film and how to make it decent in a small town setting.
Stuff was already decided, long before you did anything of the sort.
I still find it tragically amusing, however, to look back at posts on here, of when the first advert was released and seeing people literally calling them "MAN-GODS", in capital letters and all. I mean, I liked that advert, too, but, sheesh... People were really lacking all sense of perspective, back then.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 07:37:51 PM
Wtf is are they gonna say? He has no excuse, he talked all this big game coming here and me and other fans supported him for while he was making this film. We tried our best to write to him, telling him what not to do with the film and how to make it decent in a small town setting. Me and others told them over and over again what the fans wanted and to do their best not to fall into the Paul Anderson arena of hate lol. In the end he failed us all, he didn't listen and worst of all failed himself.
f**k what we think Colin, this is your f**king career, it's totally your choice if you want to make bad films for a quick buck and be hated all over the world. We don't hate you because you didn't give us a Aliens masterpeice, we hate your f**king guts because you made careless mistakes that could have been avoided very easy. If you only would have just listened to the fans and learned from past mistakes, wow!
If he tries to defend himself at this point hes only going to make it worse for himself. The best thing for him to do is to leave the fans the f**k alone and to leave AVP3 alone. Colin, trust me my son, my dear son.....we don't wanna see another dark murky piece of shit movie again, go ruine another movie we don't care about by making it dark and go ruine another franchise please that has nothing to do with anything that is Alien or Predator, I'm sure you'll make plenty of money somewhere else with another franchise.
Paul Anderson injured A/ P and the Strause bros killed it cause even though the acting was mediocre at best, the setting was the worst possible and the script was shit, atleast if people could see the damn thing they would get some kind of geeky enjoyment out of it and that might've been enough to keep the franchise alive. The only good thing about the movie is blacked out and all thats visible is the other shit: stick figure human characters noone cares to see.
So crank the picture lightness up.
That doesn't really work when the movie is dark. It only brightens the darkness up.
Quote from: Newsfop on May 06, 2008, 10:04:51 PM
So crank the picture lightness up.
lol i tried that it didn't help it was just lighter black that you still couldn't see anything in
Colin and Greg Strause, you killed Aliens and Predator. How do you feel?
Quote from: meanstreak on May 06, 2008, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: Newsfop on May 06, 2008, 10:04:51 PM
So crank the picture lightness up.
lol i tried that it didn't help it was just lighter black that you still couldn't see anything in
You have to adjust everything. Tint, Sharpness, etc. It works, but you gotta tweak it all.
Quote from: Horhey on May 06, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Colin and Greg Strause, you killed Aliens and Predator. How do you feel?
I beat you that they feel happy now. It like if they wanted to kill the series in the first place.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 06, 2008, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Horhey on May 06, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Colin and Greg Strause, you killed Aliens and Predator. How do you feel?
I beat you that they feel happy now. It like if they wanted to kill the series in the first place.
That's the only explanation that makes sense. Noone is that stupid.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 06, 2008, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Horhey on May 06, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Colin and Greg Strause, you killed Aliens and Predator. How do you feel?
I beat you that they feel happy now. It like if they wanted to kill the series in the first place.
If it was that what they wanted ... they successed ...
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 10:30:57 PM
You know how happy I would be if I made the darkest most retarded looking movie in the world and still made millions off from it and I still get to direct AVP3...woo-hoo! I wouldn't give a f**k what the fans think at that point.
And they said they were hardcore fans.
Quote from: Horhey on May 06, 2008, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 10:30:57 PM
You know how happy I would be if I made the darkest most retarded looking movie in the world and still made millions off from it and I still get to direct AVP3...woo-hoo! I wouldn't give a f**k what the fans think at that point.
And they said they were hardcore fans.
like Paul W.S. Anderson who said he is probably the guy who watched the most the film Alien.
That's just a lie.
Just make a Q&A about Alien & Predator and i want to see if they will reply right at just 10% of question :D
They lied to get job! :D
yeah the darkness was a big prob I mean when on the predator homeworld even though there was plenty of light there it was still quite dark and it wasn't till I say the wolf figure that I noticed that half his face scared green and a mandible is almost gone and one eye is blind white 8) heh maybe that is why he is such a sh#t shot
Quote from: Horhey on May 06, 2008, 10:38:02 PM
They lied to get job! :D
lol they probably wont be around for too long then ;D
Quote...another reason why I should kick them in the nut sack.
Nut sack? Singular? What, do they take turns sharing it?
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 06, 2008, 07:37:51 PM
Wtf is are they gonna say? He has no excuse, he talked all this big game coming here and me and other fans supported him for while he was making this film. We tried our best to write to him, telling him what not to do with the film and how to make it decent in a small town setting. Me and others told them over and over again what the fans wanted and to do their best not to fall into the Paul Anderson arena of hate lol. In the end he failed us all, he didn't listen and worst of all failed himself.
f**k what we think Colin, this is your f**king career, it's totally your choice if you want to make bad films for a quick buck and be hated all over the world. We don't hate you because you didn't give us a Aliens masterpeice, we hate your f**king guts because you made careless mistakes that could have been avoided very easy. If you only would have just listened to the fans and learned from past mistakes, wow!
If he tries to defend himself at this point hes only going to make it worse for himself. The best thing for him to do is to leave the fans the f**k alone and to leave AVP3 alone. Colin, trust me my son, my dear son.....we don't wanna see another dark murky piece of shit movie again, go ruine another movie we don't care about by making it dark and go ruine another franchise please that has nothing to do with anything that is Alien or Predator, I'm sure you'll make plenty of money somewhere else with another franchise.
Stop sugar-coating it. Stop saying it's because the movie is dark. Just come out and say you don't like it because it's just a TERRIBLE film, not about the darkness. That's the least of it's problems. It's a BAD film, Phantom, it's a bad film.
I'm just saying you always add in some shape or form, "The movie is dark! It's murky!". It's like you're saying THAT'S the reason it's a bad movie. "You Strause Brothers are idiots! Why don't you darken up some other movie?!". Just admit that you think it's a BAD movie, regardless of it's darkness or not.
Yes. I want to hear you bitch. You've unveiled my secret fantasy.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 07, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
Don't worry, tomorrow is another day and AVP3 will surely give me more to bitch about ;)
Not if it has better lighting you wont. ;)
The sun'll come out... tomorrow. Betcha bottom dollar...
The solution to the darkness problem is *drumroll* tune the brightness on your tv and the movie looks amazing! I did today and god the movie was the shit! ;D
Which once again, misses the point that you shouldn't need to change anything on your telly to watch it.
In essence as a product, it's faulty.
love ur sig picture PHANTOM ;D ;D
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2008, 02:15:53 AM
Which once again, misses the point that you shouldn't need to change anything on your telly to watch it.
In essence as a product, it's faulty.
No, I actually like the movie so I'll go outa of my way to watch itbrightining the screen. Thats why the option is there.
There's an option on the DVD to make it brighter?
If you bought a CD and the sound was all muffled - you'd take it back.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 07, 2008, 03:31:51 AM
The settings on my PC/monitor and video card to watch DVDs work with every single movie that I have. AVP-R is so dark that even if you try to brighten it up your only making the picture quality look worse and more distorted.
Awww god....I think I'm having heart failure again, hhhuhhhh I can't breathe...
Best signature ever.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
There's an option on the DVD to make it brighter?
If you bought a CD and the sound was all muffled - you'd take it back.
No, I said from the tv. Sound problems? I don't think a movie would come out with sound problems unless they fixed it for dvd.. The movie's darkness was intended. I just think it looks a whole hell of a lot better brightened. I admire what they tried to do what I'd rather brighten it up. It was just too dark.
New signature is not as good :(
f**kin' A ;)
Did you guys know that they filmed a scene with an alien in the daylight, but cut it out? It was to show how the aliens got in the sewers.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 07, 2008, 08:15:15 PM
Sound and video quality have to be perfect, if you can't get any of those basics down as a director in film you FAILED and need to be put in my sig to get punched in the face.
Not for being perfect, but for being an idiot!
It's sad that a movie bothers you that much.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 07, 2008, 11:14:45 PM
Did you guys know that they filmed a scene with an alien in the daylight, but cut it out? It was to show how the aliens got in the sewers.
Aliens in the daylight
could work if handled right.
Just not with ADI. Or the Bros.
QuoteAliens in the daylight could work if handled right.
I always thought the shot of the CG Alien crawling into the Auriga lifeboat worked quite nicely. Not daylight as such, but there weren't any shadows either.
Just since it's been 10 minutes since phantom mentioned the darkness, I put AVPR on my ipod last night :o
The sound was clear.......
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2008, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 07, 2008, 11:14:45 PM
Did you guys know that they filmed a scene with an alien in the daylight, but cut it out? It was to show how the aliens got in the sewers.
Aliens in the daylight could work if handled right.
Just not with ADI. Or the Bros.
Some of the shots of Aliens in the dark looked terrible, so imagine in the daylight...
There was a shot of an alien in AVPR in normal lighting conditions - the one in the kitchen scene with that waitress. Still, that scene was so dark you could barely see the alien. :P
There's a well lit still of that on the back of the R4 DVD cover and it looks fake as.
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2008, 02:37:39 AM
There's a well lit still of that on the back of the R4 DVD cover and it looks fake as.
Hence the darkness.
thats probably up there as the worst scene in the movie, the rubber alien comes through the swing doors like John Wayne, that , the skull rip, the fact there are aliens in a diner in the first place.
It's not bloody dark enough
^It's the middle I assume. Though I don't remember it being that bright in the movie. The Matrix films had nearly flawless lighting - the visual quality was 100% superb.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 08, 2008, 03:53:32 AM
Thats correct! Now go direct AVP3 for the love of god.
Why dodnt you edit it yourself, i know
you shouldnt do it but still, copy it from your dvd on your computer, you could edit it with windows movie maker, and then you re-release it :P ;D
you really have BIG issues and complexes with the darkness have you?
get over it
Quote from: Der_Meister on May 08, 2008, 05:33:38 PM
you really have BIG issues and complexes with the darkness have you?
get over it
Well I must say, I was really pissed off with the darkness problem too. It was so bad that it stopped me from buying the movie.
I agree that it's unnecessarily dark, but it's not unwatchable. It's a nuisance.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 08, 2008, 09:09:33 PM
Yeah, seriously why would you buy a black, murky, bootleg looking DVD? Thats literally a waste of money. I'm not trying to be insulting or cruel, it's literally a waste of money if you can't see what the f**k is going on. It's especially more annoying when something awesome is happening and......you still can't see whats going on.
AHHHHHH!
Sorry I just needed to scream for a second to release some tension.
Its really not that bad if you adjust the brightness on your screen. Wether its bullshit you have to or not, it makes the movie so much more enjoyable. Well atleast for me. I did and I saw the Predalien tare out of its skin on the ship. Got a nice clear view of the trophies on the ship and all the good shots of the Wolf battling the Aliens and all the Aliens in general you could see better.
OK... I must be a f**kin retard with a broken TV and a messed up copy of the movie...
There was no darkness for me. And the color was different than in the movie theater. The scenes that were tinted blue in the movie theater like in Aliens are now tinted orange like in the production stills, and it's really noticeable on the ship in the first 5 mins. I don't know what you guys are complaining about. I didn't even see darkness the first time I saw it on the big screen.
Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it and join in on the whining, I feel left out.
Screen caps?
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 09, 2008, 05:11:19 AM
I want anyone that claims everything looks great in AVP-R to show me a clear picture of the Alien crawling on the wall in the sport store that doesn't look distorted
I too, would be very pleased to see someone provide that shot.
Turning the brightness up may brighten the image, but it can't create image information that just isn't there.
The black levels are impenetrable, for the most part.
Geese guys, it seems like every little thing about AVP-R bothers ya'll. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with your TV, but it looks fine on mine, I mean its dark, so what? Deal with it. It's not that bad. Really. Turn off the lights and turn up the brightness on your TV when you watch it, that's what I do. Hell, that's actually what I do for everything I watch or when I play video games.
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:41:26 AM
I don't know what's wrong with your TV, but it looks fine on mine, ... turn up the brightness on your TV when you watch it, that's what I do.
Yeah ... just ... yeah.
Quote from: SiL on May 09, 2008, 05:49:17 AM
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:41:26 AM
I don't know what's wrong with your TV, but it looks fine on mine, ... turn up the brightness on your TV when you watch it, that's what I do.
Yeah ... just ... yeah.
???
Yeah, and turn off the lights like you didn't quote. It creates contrasssssstttt....
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:41:26 AM
Geese guys, it seems like every little thing about AVP-R bothers ya'll.
Yes, actually. And I don't see how a film that is substandard in almost every conceivable way is somehow a built-in defense against criticism.
"Oh, y'all are too picky...who really needs to see the image anyway? The sound mix is kickin'!"
Oh, and don't call me a goose.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 09, 2008, 05:55:57 AM
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:41:26 AM
Geese guys, it seems like every little thing about AVP-R bothers ya'll.
Yes, actually. And I don't see how a film that is substandard in almost every conceivable way is somehow a built-in defense against criticism.
"Oh, y'all are too picky...who really needs to see the image anyway? The sound mix is kickin'!"
Oh, and don't call me a goose.
You're a goose. :o
I could see everything fine, honestly.
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:54:28 AM
Yeah, and turn off the lights like you didn't quote. It creates contrasssssstttt....
The whole complaint is that you need to brighten it up in the first place. Anyone can see it fine when they brighten it.
Not to mention you said it worked just fine on yours ... then said you had to brighten the image, which means you agree with these guys.
Quote from: SiL on May 09, 2008, 06:11:31 AM
Quote from: b-raz on May 09, 2008, 05:54:28 AM
Yeah, and turn off the lights like you didn't quote. It creates contrasssssstttt....
The whole complaint is that you need to brighten it up in the first place. Anyone can see it fine when they brighten it.
Not to mention you said it worked just fine on yours ... then said you had to brighten the image, which means you agree with these guys.
Yeah, but I also said I brighten it everytime I watch a movie or play a game, because when I switch adapters it darkens for some reason, Idunno why. And it's not so much trouble to brighten it if necessary, is it? :-\
Assuming you can be rooted to do so...
Yeah, it's too much effort for not enough reward.
I mean, okay. Sure. It's ten seconds' effort. But still.
More than 10 for me, i had shut all the bloody blinds in the front room, then pump the bad boy up. I might try it drunk tonight, things may become clear.
The darkness issue is a HUGE beef for me, but after reading a few interviews, it doesn't seem to be totally the Stause's fault. And alot of issues seems to have plagued the film, which sucks really.
Hopefully a superior home release, with a fixed picture surfaces at some latter point in time.
What's more upsettings, is I think Colin claimed they fixed it for the DVD release, but I can't tell at all. Looks the same (dark as hell), to me.
That's thing that makes you wonder how much control these guy's got over the whole thing, I mean it was always going to be sh*t , but the level of sh*tness could have been less had the little simple things been done right.
You'd never hear Jim Cameron saying someone else f*cked his movie over.
The Darkness has to be a mistake, it has to be, why would you change something that's not broken?
...Or maybe the Bros are just that incompetent.
Well when they saw the film before they screened it they should have seen how dark it was but I suppose it was too late then.
I saw it in the cinema and it was fine.
i .....aquired a copy ......which i watch on my pc and again there was no problem what so ever.
maybe the English version got lightened or something
Apparently, some regions got terribly dark copies at the theater, and some didn't. The one I saw was blacker than black.
I unno. Whatever. Maybe a fan can do the daunting task of brightening the film, and releasing it on the web at some point for us all. I would, if I had the software capable of doing such a task.
I just may have to look into it, tomorrow. I have some friends who would know exactly what to look for, in terms of video editing software.
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So much better.
Quote from: Sol on May 09, 2008, 09:15:23 AM
Apparently, some regions got terribly dark copies at the theater, and some didn't. The one I saw was blacker than black.
I unno. Whatever. Maybe a fan can do the daunting task of brightening the film, and releasing it on the web at some point for us all. I would, if I had the software capable of doing such a task.
I just may have to look into it, tomorrow. I have some friends who would know exactly what to look for, in terms of video editing software.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2188/thisqv9.jpg
So much better.
I remember that nest scene I couldn't see shit in the cinema. But there was allot of parts which were too dark like the fight at the end as well!
Quote from: Sol on May 09, 2008, 09:15:23 AM
Maybe a fan can do the daunting task of brightening the film
It can't be done properly. Some of the visual information is simply not there, as the DVD authoring was done with the darkened settings.
You can improve it, but it can't be "fixed" to the correct settings without having horrible block-noise all over everything.
Believe me, I've been trying. Gone through over a dozen different variations of color values, gamma settings, shadow/highlight control, RBG scales...you name it.
Quote from: highlandpred on May 09, 2008, 08:51:19 AM
That's thing that makes you wonder how much control these guy's got over the whole thing, I mean it was always going to be sh*t , but the level of sh*tness could have been less had the little simple things been done right.
You'd never hear Jim Cameron saying someone else f*cked his movie over.
The Darkness has to be a mistake, it has to be, why would you change something that's not broken?
Yeah but you can't compare Jim Cameron to The Strause Brothers. They have just begun. Cameron is a vet.
The movie doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me that I have to brighten it if I want to (isn't bad on my tv without brightening but still makes a difference if I do) because I enjoy the movie. The shot in the store with the Alien crawling on the wall wasn't that bad seeing how its the most unclear to you, Phantom. The hardest part for me was the attack from the Aliens, in the Hive when the group of survivers came in. Thats the only problem without brightening the screen.
I have just seen the theatrical version, and that version is much better. You can actually see the Alien crawling in the ceiling of the store. I can't believe how much they f**ked up. They can't really think the new version is better?
Any caps of the theatrical, Yellow?
I've tried before, but when I press PrtSc and paste it into paint, it's just black.
Over on the AVS forum (Blu-Ray software section), every other post about this movie is that it's ungodly dark. I have the Blu-Ray and you can add me to the WAY TO F*CKING DARK complainers. The trailers had great lighting. Not sure about the DVD.. but the Blu-Ray is terribly dark. I may take a screenshot of one scene where about 95% of the screen was black. It was laughable.
Fox should recall the disc. There's no way this level of darkness was intentional.
Nope, WMP does it too.
Try VLC player. The snapshot feature will give you a cap, no matter what.
Sorry guys, turns out when I was watching it on my Windvd player, I had custom video effects on. Once I downloaded VLC and watched the same clip with the default video effects, it's black as shit. Never mind what I said, it has always looked like this.
Ha - if it wasn't as dark the alien would look even worse. At least we can't see how awful the aliens look in AVPR.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 09, 2008, 06:26:43 PM
I don't agree.
That the aliens look and move like shit? That bothered me more than the darkness. You need to watch Aliens again and study the proper way to show these creatures. Some shots were good, I'll give them that, but others looked bad.
The predator looked mostly good though - I wanted to see the predator. Was disappointed they darkened a lot of his shots.
This is for you Phantom. Comparisons between the trailer and final film.
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Wow thats a big difference
Wow, I didn't expect the darkness to be as bad as it is on the DvD/Blu-Ray. What a rip-off.
Quote from: Cellien on May 09, 2008, 04:59:31 PM
The trailers had great lighting.
I feel similarly. While there were certain things I disliked about what was portrayed in the adverts, the added darkness does nothing to improve matters and everything to produce a sense of frustration. It's really very pointless and at least, previously, a few of the 'money shots' looked more pretty.
Because of the sheer amount of outcry, however, I've got a feeling that Fox will sieze upon this as an opportunity to produce yet another version of it for purchase.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 09, 2008, 06:34:59 PM
That the aliens look and move like shit? That bothered me more than the darkness. You need to watch Aliens again and study the proper way to show these creatures. Some shots were good, I'll give them that, but others looked bad.
I have to agree. Especially the last two sequences of the film. With the exception of the shot of two Aliens scampering along the hive walls (which does remind one of ALIENS), all the Alien shots are pudgy, rubbery, slow-moving dude-in-a-suit shots. They don't look quick, or menacing, or scary in the slightest. They just look comical.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 09, 2008, 06:43:25 PM
This is for you Phantom. Comparisons between the trailer and final film.
Unwatchable shit movie. Thinking about selling the DVD like I did AVP.
Why does everyone have to quote a long series of images just to say something like: "That looks bad"? :(
Quote from: gameoverman on May 10, 2008, 04:50:38 AM
Why does everyone have to quote a long series of images just to say something like: "That looks bad"? :(
I dunno, but thanks for fixing it.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 10, 2008, 01:50:08 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on May 09, 2008, 06:34:59 PM
That the aliens look and move like shit? That bothered me more than the darkness. You need to watch Aliens again and study the proper way to show these creatures. Some shots were good, I'll give them that, but others looked bad.
I have to agree. Especially the last two sequences of the film. With the exception of the shot of two Aliens scampering along the hive walls (which does remind one of ALIENS), all the Alien shots are pudgy, rubbery, slow-moving dude-in-a-suit shots. They don't look quick, or menacing, or scary in the slightest. They just look comical.
Whole-heartedly agree. Tom wasn't even in the suit a good portion of the time.
i must say i just got my dvd and my dad dicided to get me avpr the 2 disk the single disk i had was giving from a friend and i must say after resetting the colors on the tv and with the new dvd avp does looks pretty good we finelly got to see it well dont get me wrong is still dark and i dont take back anything i said about it in the pass but it is watchable now i know that the main problem was the dvd........
P.S. STILL DARK LOOOOL
That is a big difference so thats the DVD so why didnt they fix it?
cuz they cheap nuke i mean they could had kept the movie dark without having ti tint it downn to black if they could had manage that the movie would be awesome as fas as visual.
@Yellow Alien:
Thanks for posting that up! Undeniable evidence. ;D
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 12, 2008, 08:37:52 PM
The jury has spoken!
We sentence The Strause Brothers life imprisonment for film-making crimes against humanity and for simply being a conniving colossal idiot. Case closed!
You're such an asshole. Go outside or something. :D
Looks like a bunch of PHANTOM's posts got deleted? What gives?
Quote from: Cellien on May 13, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
Looks like a bunch of PHANTOM's posts got deleted? What gives?
doesnt surprises me they have done it to me when the moderates dont like wah u wrote they take donw posts jajajajaj wha a joke.
Huh? Why?
cause he's a suck up.
My mate who is abig Alien fan watched this the other night on dvd,And guess what his big problem was?
The darkness is the movie's biggest problem imo. People wouldve atleast enjoyed parts of the movie if they could see it. Now all thats left are the human characters noone likes cause their boring and the acting is sorry. I cant think of a reason anyone wouldnt skip all those parts.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 13, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
No it was me, I deleted them. I was wrong in posting those and I apologize to you guys and The Strause Brothers.
It won't happen again.
No, the mods did. You can't delete posts anymore.
Yes you can. However, you can't delete threads.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 14, 2008, 01:43:29 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 13, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
No it was me, I deleted them. I was wrong in posting those and I apologize to you guys and The Strause Brothers.
It won't happen again.
No, the mods did. You can't delete posts anymore.
I deleted my posts, nothing special in that.
Phantom I can hardly see you're avatar! :P
Don't start with me lol ;D
^^^^^^ i was ganna say the samething to phantom jajajaja ;D ;D
i could see parts, but anyone who has the 7 minute extra bit on dvd, did you find that the graveyard bit should have been added, i did i fought it was really good and it actually shows that the predator can stalk people like on p1 and p2
The graveyard scene should have been taken out. Thats the only scene that is kind of....pointless. I mean, it's cool that he gets his head blown off but in the end it's just another dark scene that is kind of hard to make out.
Maybe you guys have faulty dvds or somthin cause I watched it again the other day and could see everything fine, yes could have been brighter but like I've said before there were only two shots in the movie where I couldnt see anything, one, the predalien in the bushes and two, the pizza guy getting killed in the hive.
All the scenes should be viewable. That how movies are supposed to be.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on May 14, 2008, 04:54:52 PM
Maybe you guys have faulty dvds or somthin cause I watched it again the other day and could see everything fine, yes could have been brighter but like I've said before there were only two shots in the movie where I couldnt see anything, one, the predalien in the bushes and two, the pizza guy getting killed in the hive.
Scenes that should have been better lit imo.
When wolf kills the copper.
In the store when Dallas is hanging you was meant to see an alien crawling down.
When the camara pans up the building wall to wolf.
When the camara pans up the tree to wolf.
When the humans are walking up the staircase in the hospital.
The hive battle eg when chet hit wolf from behind.
I would agree with those!
Well maybe those problems might be fixed when AVP3 comes out and all three movies come in the ultimate AVP boxset, like in the Alien quadrilogy. All films were digitally remastered so why not go back to AVP-R and fix something minor things? It can be done.
An AVP-R that looked like the redband trailer!
Quote from: Hybrid PM on May 14, 2008, 04:54:52 PM
Maybe you guys have faulty dvds or somthin cause I watched it again the other day and could see everything fine, yes could have been brighter but like I've said before there were only two shots in the movie where I couldnt see anything, one, the predalien in the bushes and two, the pizza guy getting killed in the hive.
The scenes I couldnt make out the first few times I saw them..
1. The sewer fight
2. Wolf's arrival untill he gets to the ship.
3. Wolf killing the cop.
4. The graveyard scene.
5. Wolf on the roof breaking out the plasma pistol. I wouldnt have known there were dead Aliens on the ground if Colin didnt point it out in the commentary.
6. The Alien killing that no name guy in the hospital.
7. The Alien in the pool.
8. The hospital fight.
I had to watch most of these in slow mo to see what exactly happenned. I probobly forgot a few scenes.
Nearly impossible to see :(
You're blind.
I believe the whole darkness problem, may be a natural defense machanism that the body produces when confronted with such an awful movie jk ;D
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 14, 2008, 06:48:52 PM
Well maybe those problems might be fixed when AVP3 comes out and all three movies come in the ultimate AVP boxset, like in the Alien quadrilogy. All films were digitally remastered so why not go back to AVP-R and fix something minor things? It can be done.
You bitch endlessly for months and months and months, and then you post something like
this? You can't fix this movie. Changing the color tones isn't going to make the Earth setting, the pizza boy, the slasher route the movie took, the bad acting, and the bad directing go away.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 26, 2009, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 14, 2008, 06:48:52 PM
Well maybe those problems might be fixed when AVP3 comes out and all three movies come in the ultimate AVP boxset, like in the Alien quadrilogy. All films were digitally remastered so why not go back to AVP-R and fix something minor things? It can be done.
You bitch endlessly for months and months and months, and then you post something like this? You can't fix this movie. Changing the color tones isn't going to make the Earth setting, the pizza boy, the slasher route the movie took, the bad acting, and the bad directing go away.
His name's Ricky man! :P
What's up Hicks? Thought you'd left from here?
PM anytime dude.
In the cinema it was fine, but the DVD seemed to be a lot darker. There is even a scene where an alien is attacking Dallas in the store and its a black screen with music playing over it. I was like what the f**k is going on! Jesus. And the darkness complete ruined the extra footage added because it was almost impossible to see what was happening.
The darkness wasn't a problem in the Blu-Ray. The colours were vibrant and the picture was crystal clear.
Not on mine ^. It's still a murky (but visible) mess.
It's probably your equipment. I've spoken to a couple of people on this very board who haven't had that problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
The darkness wasn't a problem in the Blu-Ray. The colours were vibrant and the picture was crystal clear.
As I always tend to say when someone claims a perfectly fine image from AvPR...
"Caps please."
Instead of the murky shit of the DVD, we have the slightly sharper murky shit of the blu-ray...
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
The darkness wasn't a problem in the Blu-Ray. The colours were vibrant and the picture was crystal clear.
As I always tend to say when someone claims a perfectly fine image from AvPR...
"Caps please."
Instead of the murky shit of the DVD, we have the slightly sharper murky shit of the blu-ray...
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:'( I miss you Stan.
If the movie had color it still be a decent flick. Sure the acting won't be great but the action scenes in the movie would make the movie a hell of lot better to watch.
It would certainly help to enjoy it better for what it is, a 90 minute action romp.
I wish it was a "90 minute action romp" then I could enjoy it.
Quote from: gameoverman on Feb 27, 2009, 02:00:30 PM
I wish it was a "90 minute action romp" then I could enjoy it.
Funny, i just read your review when you watched it, you gave it 7/10.
Talk about bad influence..
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 27, 2009, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Feb 27, 2009, 02:00:30 PM
I wish it was a "90 minute action romp" then I could enjoy it.
Funny, i just read your review when you watched it, you gave it 7/10.
Talk about bad influence..
First viewing. Important distinction.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 27, 2009, 05:55:14 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
The darkness wasn't a problem in the Blu-Ray. The colours were vibrant and the picture was crystal clear.
As I always tend to say when someone claims a perfectly fine image from AvPR...
"Caps please."
Instead of the murky shit of the DVD, we have the slightly sharper murky shit of the blu-ray...
That 'murky shit' didn't bug me.
Quote from: gameoverman on Feb 27, 2009, 02:00:30 PM
I wish it was a "90 minute action romp" then I could enjoy it.
*bows
Brilliant.
I find it funny how one of the main things Fox kept pushing for AVPR was its overuse of gore, yet the actuall film is to dark too see anything.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2009, 02:58:01 PM
That 'murky shit' didn't bug me.
That's totally cool by me. But let's be fair here...not being bugged by something isn't the same thing as "vibrant colours/crystal clear picture." :)
And also means you should have no problem accepting others not liking it.
Lol, I don't have a problem with others not liking it. If I said that, I apologize in advance. As for
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 28, 2009, 11:18:07 AM
That's totally cool by me. But let's be fair here...not being bugged by something isn't the same thing as "vibrant colours/crystal clear picture." :)
To me, it was a crystal clear picture, in so far that I could see what was going on on-screen no problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2009, 10:28:30 PM
Lol, I don't have a problem with others not liking it. If I said that, I apologize in advance. As for
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 28, 2009, 11:18:07 AM
That's totally cool by me. But let's be fair here...not being bugged by something isn't the same thing as "vibrant colours/crystal clear picture." :)
To me, it was a crystal clear picture, in so far that I could see what was going on on-screen no problem.
Ok.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2009, 10:28:30 PM
Lol, I don't have a problem with others not liking it. If I said that, I apologize in advance.
You keep saying they're "obviously blind". They aren't. The picture isn't clear. I don't complain about the darkness, but it is
really f**kin' obvious that the image is dark and murky and not at all what it could or should be.
And if it wasn't a problem at all and people are blind, there wouldn't be so much complaining about it in the first place. If this many people are bringing it to attention, there's obviously something wrong.............
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2009, 10:28:30 PM
Lol, I don't have a problem with others not liking it. If I said that, I apologize in advance.
You keep saying they're "obviously blind". They aren't. The picture isn't clear. I don't complain about the darkness, but it is really f**kin' obvious that the image is dark and murky and not at all what it could or should be.
I target people when they complain about the darkness because some of them go on about how the picture is, to them, 100% pitch black and they cannot see anything, short of watching the day time sequences at the beginning. I will admit the film is dark and needs better colour correction, but it's not as bad, IMO, as people make it out to be.
I watched the Alien and AvP films last week. I figured I'd give AvPR a try since it's been over a year since I saw it. I watched it for 15 minutes and gave up because it was simply too dark to see anything.
just watch the film in pitch black and press information and it blinds u
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 01, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I watched the Alien and AvP films last week. I figured I'd give AvPR a try since it's been over a year since I saw it. I watched it for 15 minutes and gave up because it was simply too dark to see anything.
Did it make you like Anderson's AVP more? Or did the Alien films you just watched cast too big of a shadow. :D
Oh, the more I watch AvP, the more I like it. The whole team-up thing at the end is still ridiculous but it's just a far better movie than AvPR. I understand what Anderson was trying to do.
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 01, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I watched the Alien and AvP films last week. I figured I'd give AvPR a try since it's been over a year since I saw it. I watched it for 15 minutes and gave up because it was simply too dark to see anything.
Darkness Problem = Darkness' Problem.
;D
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 03, 2009, 06:11:32 PM
Oh, the more I watch AvP, the more I like it.
Mhm, I'm kinda of in the same boat. But I have to mentally prepare myself for the creature designs, they really turn me off watching it, even as pure entertainment.
Quote
The whole team-up thing at the end is still ridiculous but it's just a far better movie than AvPR. I understand what Anderson was trying to do.
Yeah the team-up really took the film in a different direction to its predecessors, it was where it became more of a comic book type movie than a Sci-Fi/Horror like it should have been. I guess that doesn't bother me as much now though as I've had soo long for it to sink in.
Like someone once said: AvP is tolerable until it becomes an advocate for inter-species erotica. At least AvP:R didn't f**k up as bad as that.
You could say it took it a step further with Chet shuving eggs downs womans throats. ^
That's the Alien reproducing. If that's true, the facehugger impregnating should be considered erotica as well.
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 03, 2009, 06:11:32 PM
Oh, the more I watch AvP, the more I like it. The whole team-up thing at the end is still ridiculous but it's just a far better movie than AvPR. I understand what Anderson was trying to do.
avp was better. the pred in avpr and the violence was better. but avp actually had good lighting and cinematography and stuff. but i think the the bros would have made a better movie if they had more time, money and a better script.
AvP's problem wasn't so much with lighting. It was with colour. The whole pyramid sequence was gray and boring.
Makes perfect sense to me considering it's set in a pyramid which would usually be pitch black. ^
It was still boring. At least the trailers had deep shades of blue.
Well AvPR was even worse! It didn't have any color.
It had plenty of colour. It's problem was that the correction was poo.
first time i saw the predalien was in the hospital at the end
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 07, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
It had plenty of colour. It's problem was that the correction was poo.
It didn't have
any color.
Yes, it did. The trailers show this.
The movie too! :o
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2009, 07:44:46 AM
Yes, it did. The trailers show this.
Some of the stuff in trailer was fantastic. Loved the stuff with Sam and Buddy in the forest.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2009, 07:44:46 AM
Yes, it did. The trailers show this.
It clearly didn't have
any color.
;)
I've held off on buying the blu-ray of Requiem just because of the comments on the darkness in this thread, but I saw it for $19.99 (compared to its usual price of $32.99 and up here in Canada) and decided to buy it...and behold its not as bad as I was expecting. There are plenty of scenes where you can't make out the finer details, especially on the creatures, but isnt't that a good thing in rubber suit movies? In the end I suppose it just comes down to your tv.
From what color there is, they are very rich, blacks are solid, and the picture quality is quite good. Director's commentary was garbage though, aside from some interesting anecdotes on things they wanted to do but couldn't due to budget. Here's hoping Gillis and Woodruff's is better...
Their commentary isn't that much better for two reasons: Gillis feels the need to narrate every scene as it happens and he and Woodruff feel the need to call the Predalien a hybrid. Constantly. >_<
And aren't the whines about no-budget bullshit anyway - since they had money left over to do the Predator homeworld stuff? Or did they get given extra money after principal photography?
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2009, 04:38:29 AM
And aren't the whines about no-budget bullshit anyway - since they had money left over to do the Predator homeworld stuff? Or did they get given extra money after principal photography?
I think they were given that after Fox saw a cut of the film and agreed to give them more money for the homeworld idea.
I think Wolf was originally going to get the distress message on his ship.
Yet they could've taken that extra money and had Wolf's arm melt off at the end. But for some reason, they thought the homeworld was a better idea ::)
I can see Fox agreeing to give them more money for the homeworld shot since its pretty much all cg and something that would be done entirely in-house at the brothers' own studio. No need for re-shooting or a crew aside from Strauses' own hired peons.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2009, 03:10:13 AM
Their commentary isn't that much better for two reasons: Gillis feels the need to narrate every scene as it happens and he and Woodruff feel the need to call the Predalien a hybrid. Constantly. >_<
Shelved.
Listen to it anyway, they do offer some good insight on how some special effects work was done and why. At least they don't insult Alien fans.
They didn't have to, the movie did that. It would've been adding insult to injury.
Didn't stop the Brothers.
Only a divine intervention could've and unfortunately, God was busy at the time. 8)
I think God has bigger things to worry about ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
I think God has bigger things to worry about ;)
If God were a fanboy, we would all be in mint condition packages sitting on his shelves.
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2009, 04:38:29 AM
And aren't the whines about no-budget bullshit anyway - since they had money left over to do the Predator homeworld stuff? Or did they get given extra money after principal photography?
The Brothers said repeatedly that they got to do the homeworld because they had money left over after shooting.
And yet no money for acid effects.
Liars, lazy or just dumb?
Just checking.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2009, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2009, 04:38:29 AM
And aren't the whines about no-budget bullshit anyway - since they had money left over to do the Predator homeworld stuff? Or did they get given extra money after principal photography?
The Brothers said repeatedly that they got to do the homeworld because they had money left over after shooting.
No wonder there are so many effects shots that are left unfinished then. I really would've liked finished effects than the homeworld. Those moments are very noticeable and they don't even try to hide it.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 19, 2009, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2009, 10:16:38 PMLiars, lazy or just dumb?
Yes.
Their hearts were in the right place but they just didn't have the skills to pull it off.
What skills? It can't be that difficult or expensive for professional effects and makeup artists to do a quick 2 second cutaway of acid corroding flesh and/ or armour. Even just shooting a background plate on location, then doing CGI acid effect in-house.
None of us "really' know how it works when it comes to making a movie. Maybe it is harder than we think. Who knows? I know I don't. The way you put makes it sound very easy but I think reality is much different.
I guess you do what you think is best at the time and I believe the Bros did that, but who knows how they feel about the movie now? They might look at differently. I think I remember reading how Colin wasn't to impressed with the end results after not watching the film for awhile. There's a topic on it here somewhere.
And I was talking about their directing skills. I don't think they had much of that when they made this movie. There's really no style to it. Just the basic point and shoot angles. They made some shorts and music videos but making a Hollywood movie is a totally different beast altogether.
They said they learned a lot from making this movie, and I'm sure that's true. Its just to bad it had to be on a project so many people were looking forward to.
QuoteThe way you put makes it sound very easy but I think reality is much different.
In this instance - it is very easy. There are shots where you have squibs and explosives and other effects that ARE difficult and expensive and time consuming, cos all that stuff has to be reset take after take.
But a short shot of acid on armour/ flesh could be achieved quickly and cheaply if they really wanted too (Predator stomping on Alien's head would suggest they were past caring). Look at the shot of the acid on the floor of the Sulaco at the start of Alien3 - though don't look at it too long. It's fairly obvious that it's acetone squirted onto polystyrene - and yet it does the job because you cut away.
A quick close up of the Predator's skin or flesh with yellow-green gunk on it with smoke (that could've been added digitally later) would've done the job here. You don't even have to show the skin or armour corroding - the smoke, a hissing sound effect, and the Predator screaming in pain would suit. Then a shot of the Predator face screaming, with more digitally added smoke drifting from off frame - and the job's done.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 19, 2009, 11:40:29 PM
Their hearts were in the right place but they just didn't have the skills to pull it off.
I hate to say it but if that were true, we wouldn't have had this problem.
Their problem, from listening to the commentary, was that they wanted either all or nothing. For example, the hospital scene. They wanted to build a raised set to accommodate acid effects. This is, of course, time-consuming and costly. So they ditched it altogether.
Quote from: SM on Mar 20, 2009, 02:25:02 AM
QuoteThe way you put makes it sound very easy but I think reality is much different.
In this instance - it is very easy. There are shots where you have squibs and explosives and other effects that ARE difficult and expensive and time consuming, cos all that stuff has to be reset take after take.
But a short shot of acid on armour/ flesh could be achieved quickly and cheaply if they really wanted too (Predator stomping on Alien's head would suggest they were past caring). Look at the shot of the acid on the floor of the Sulaco at the start of Alien3 - though don't look at it too long. It's fairly obvious that it's acetone squirted onto polystyrene - and yet it does the job because you cut away.
A quick close up of the Predator's skin or flesh with yellow-green gunk on it with smoke (that could've been added digitally later) would've done the job here. You don't even have to show the skin or armour corroding - the smoke, a hissing sound effect, and the Predator screaming in pain would suit. Then a shot of the Predator face screaming, with more digitally added smoke drifting from off frame - and the job's done.
I agree with your arguments, you dont have to see all in detail and it could have worked.
But i still don't see the beef with the Predator stomping on the Alien's head because he had really thick sandals that were made out of Predator steel that is acid proof. I understand Alien fans that they dislike the idea of it, but if an Alien is cut in half lying on the ground this was a good way to give it the rest.
Predator steel ey? From AvP looks like the only things acid resistant are the spears. Armour and clothing definitely ain't.
Although, I suppose one could argue they were given shit armour 'cause they were kids.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 12:27:53 PMhe had really thick sandals that were made out of Predator steel
Yes.
Sandals. If he wore completely enclosed boots, we'd have no real problem. But how does one squelch right into a big messy acid lump while only wearing sandals and not lose a foot?
They are almost completely enclosed.
He wears the same boots as the ones in AvP, they are very thick and enclosed so it shouldn't be a problem, which you can see, isn't :)
QuotePredator steel ey?
Yes, Predator steel, metal, whatever you want to call it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEBJbW7rt50
Amusingly enough, I can't actually see any detail on the scandals due to the topic subject.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
They are almost completely enclosed.
Almost? So in other words,
not completely enclosed.
He wears sandals with toe claws. Plenty of exposed skin. You yourself called 'em sandals.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg16.imageshack.us%2Fimg16%2F6783%2Fsandals.jpg&hash=5ecf974499502acda3b648d6facc5a231ed0047d)
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 20, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 12:27:53 PMhe had really thick sandals that were made out of Predator steel
Yes. Sandals. If he wore completely enclosed boots, we'd have no real problem. But how does one squelch right into a big messy acid lump while only wearing sandals and not lose a foot?
Devil's advocate: might it not depend on a) how thick the sandal is and b) how close to the ground the exposed skin is? The higher the sandal raises the foot, the more unlikely the skin will touch the acid.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 12:27:53 PM
But i still don't see the beef with the Predator stomping on the Alien's head because he had really thick sandals that were made out of Predator steel that is acid proof. I understand Alien fans that they dislike the idea of it, but if an Alien is cut in half lying on the ground this was a good way to give it the rest.
The beef is with the fact that the Alien's head suddenly became mush for no good reason. Why would an Alien's head be so soft?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2009, 02:17:18 PM
Devil's advocate: might it not depend on a) how thick the sandal is and b) how close to the ground the exposed skin is?
Absolutely. Unfortunately, you can see how thick the sole is...an inch maybe? He's already that far in when the shot cuts away, after which we see him pushing more and more, accompanied by the appropriate squishing noises. The scene really looks like they (Strausii) knew full well he shouldn't be doing it, so they kept a lot of the moment on a medium close-up of his head instead of 'da stomp'.
QuoteWhy would an Alien's head be so soft?
Who said that the Alien head should be soft?
But if a Predator stomps on it with its amazing strength the Alien head, hard or not, may crush as we seen it in the movie.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 20, 2009, 02:12:34 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
They are almost completely enclosed.
Almost? So in other words, not completely enclosed.
He wears sandals with toe claws. Plenty of exposed skin. You yourself called 'em sandals.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6783/sandals.jpg
Well in this pic you can see it fairly well that the sandals are quite thick, given the fact that the Alien's head crushed and the blood and brain got out to the
side because of the pressure there is no indication that acid was spraying all over the place and got to the actual foot.
And that pic is from a toy figure, so who knows how accurate it really is.
his sandals where like the ones in AvP.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 02:49:23 PM
But if a Predator stomps on it with its amazing strength the Alien head, hard or not, may crush as we seen it in the movie.
It didn't use its 'amazing strength'. He puts his foot on it and presses down a little, and the whole thing just caves in. It took Vasquez numerous point-blank shots with her pistol to actually get through the skull; Wolf steps down a little and it's made of wet paper.
QuoteWell in this pic you can see it fairly well that the sandals are quite thick, given the fact that the Alien's head crushed and the blood and brain got out to the side because of the pressure there is no indication that acid was spraying all over the place and got to the actual foot.
Liquid dynamics would have the brain and blood rise up and fill any available space.
Go step on a watermelon wearing sandals and try not to get any on you.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 02:49:23 PM
But if a Predator stomps on it with its amazing strength the Alien head, hard or not, may crush as we seen it in the movie.
It didn't use its 'amazing strength'. He puts his foot on it and presses down a little, and the whole thing just caves in. It took Vasquez numerous point-blank shots with her pistol to actually get through the skull; Wolf steps down a little and it's made of wet paper.
C'mon SiL, we all know the Predator's foot of heavy justice doesn't compare to a puny handgun :D
QuoteIt didn't use its 'amazing strength'. He puts his foot on it and presses down a little, and the whole thing just caves in. It took Vasquez numerous point-blank shots with her pistol to actually get through the skull; Wolf steps down a little and it's made of wet paper.
Pressed down a little? It looks more like it uses all its weight to crush the head.
Vasquez was going through the skull with the first bullet, you can see bits flying off the Alien head, it just takes a while until the blood actually comes through the thick skull and starts to flow..
So the wolf "steps down a little" isn't true, watch the scene again and you will see that its more then you make it out to be.
The thing weights a ton, is
very strong and there is no problem that he can do it.
QuoteC'mon SiL, we all know the Predator's foot of heavy justice doesn't compare to a puny handgun
There are people out there that survived gunshots to the head, but i don't remember people who had their heads crushed by a cement mixer that are still running around.
QuoteLiquid dynamics would have the brain and blood rise up and fill any available space.
Go step on a watermelon wearing sandals and try not to get any on you.
The Alien has a very long head and anytime we can see through the dome we can see that there is plenty of room in there where there is no bone and no brain. When you force pressure on it there is enough room for the brain and bone to get to the other side of the head and "escape" from that direction, hence why it just came out clean from one direction and not going all over the place.
Its a different thing as if it was a water melon, because the water melon is filled in every angle, there is no room in there.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 11:04:46 PM
There are people out there that survived gunshots to the head, but i don't remember people who had their heads crushed by a cement mixer that are still running around.
...good for them? And that has bearing on what I said,
how exactly?
Quote...good for them? And that has bearing on what I said, how exactly?
That you have a fairly better chance of surviving a gunshot to your head then your head being completely crushed ?
Yeah, that was exactly it :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 20, 2009, 11:04:46 PM
Pressed down a little? It looks more like it uses all its weight to crush the head.
The initial crushing shows no such thing. It's only when it cuts to a shot of Wolf pressing down does it show him actually using any real weight. The effect head they used just sort'a crumbles under his foot.
QuoteThe Alien has a very long head and anytime we can see through the dome we can see that there is plenty of room in there where there is no bone and no brain.
These Aliens have no dome :) It's just skull filled with brain and blood. It's exactly like the watermelon.
QuoteThe initial crushing shows no such thing. It's only when it cuts to a shot of Wolf pressing down does it show him actually using any real weight. The effect head they used just sort'a crumbles under his foot.
I just watched the scene again on youtube and it does look like He's putting force and strength behind it.
He lifts his foot, waits for a second and then crushes the head. He's focusing on one point, getting his balance right and then crushes the head.
At the first contact the aliens head didn't crushed completely, then he puts in some extra weight on it and
then the head crushes in completely before we see him squish around on it.
It does show him using weight, just watch the damn clip on youtube.
QuoteThese Aliens have no dome Smiley It's just skull filled with brain and blood. It's exactly like the watermelon.
We never got to see that when the Alien doesn't have the smooth head that the ridged head isn't meant to be a dome, just not a smooth and transparent one.
The dome gives the Alien extra protection to the head before something can even reach the skull, so why skip it? Makes no sense at all, especially for a creature that is meant to be "perfect".
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 21, 2009, 02:05:30 AM
We never got to see that when the Alien doesn't have the smooth head that the ridged head isn't meant to be a dome, just not a smooth and transparent one.
Nice try, but no cigar (Mez-Itz
Aliens figure notwithstanding). The skull in
Aliens and
AvPR is the skull we'd normally see under the dome; it in itself is not a dome, or there'd be even less in the Alien's head than usual.
It's not meant to be a dome. That's very explicitly stated. The movies even show this when we see the Aliens' heads being crushed or exploded at various points.
the dome goes over the scull. the hot toys alien has an error you can see the brain benith the dome insted of the scull.
From the clip that Johnny linked earlier, it looks like he applies a bit of force when he crushes the head with his foot. He doesn't stop down with all his strength and weight or anything, but he definitely applies some force. As for why blood doesn't go all over him, it seems (from the clip) that some kind of tissue is holding it all in. Then again, it's a bit dark to know for sure,
Thinking back at the scene in Aliens when the APC runs over the alien;
Maybe it could take less pressure than the weight of that vehicle to crush an Alien head and maybe a Predator is strong enough to to apply that level of pressure on an Alien head.
I also think that if the Aliens body would have been intact it would take alot more pressure on the skull to break it.
That's not how the body works. Your head is just as difficult to crush when you're intact, as when you've been cut in half.
Yup. Blood loss does not affect skeletal integrity. So the Predator shouldn't have been able to crush the Alien's head either way.
Blood loss does effect exoskeletal integrity, in this case that means rather little as Aliens have crunchy outsides AND insides.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2009, 09:53:48 PM
That's not how the body works. Your head is just as difficult to crush when you're intact, as when you've been cut in half.
Yeah, but I wasn't thinking that they were built the same way as humans, I was thinking that maybe it would take less pressure to than the weight of an APC could generate, to crack it's skull...
...if the body wasn't intact.
I believe that a Predator is powerfull enough to crush an Alien skull, or I like to think that he is,
but what makes that scene intresting to me, ain't that a Predator could crush an Alien head under his feet, it's more like that he
would crush that head under his feet.
Even a demented Predator wouldn't take that risk, it's stupid, why even bother putting on acid proof armor in the first place and then go and risk the loss of one healthy leg on an Alien that was about to die?
If the directors wanted to show off Wolf as a unheroic bad ass predator without mercy, why not make Wolf approach the Alien with his spear ready, then just stop, instead to give the alien a quick death to end it's suffering, he choose to just stand there, looking at it twitching and screaming in pain till it dies seconds later...
...much like they made Wolf act when they killed of the "bully".
I agree, I couldnt see a thing, true, I saw the premeair and It was just a black screen with little black smudges moving, the 1st was way better
Personally I think it all has to do with the equipment people are using to watch the film. Not everyone is complaining about the film being too dark.
Yet the problem arose in nearly every online review from people watching it in theatres.
This was posted awhile back but I thought I'd bring it up to show what could've been.
This is how the film looked before this crazy darkness problem. Notice all the details that we miss. Especially Wolf's ship.
http://hydraulx.com/2008/04demo/reels.html
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 27, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Yet the problem arose in nearly every online review from people watching it in theatres.
Again, I think it depended on the projector. Because most people I spoke didn't have that problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
Personally I think it all has to do with the equipment people are using to watch the film. Not everyone is complaining about the film being too dark.
That just means that not everyone is discerning enough. The picture information sis simply not present on the transfer. Even if you crank up the gamma, everything gets blown out without revealing any new details. All you end up seeing is the macroblocking in the back areas.
I'll agree, cranking up the brightness makes the picture even worse because things are blotted out all over the screen. But like I said, I think the equipment does make a difference. I watched AvP:R using my PS3 on two separate screens, the first was my Dell 2408 LCD monitor, the other a 26" Prima HDTV.
On my monitor, the picture is definitely darker, but I can still see. On the TV, the picture is vivid, with crystal colours and I can see much better.
I watched AVPR in the theater. I agreed that is was a bit darker than I liked. I then bought the film on Blu-Ray and watched it on my computer monitor. The picture was slightly better, while still lacking the detail needed. I bought a 47 Inch 1080p Samsung about a month ago. What a difference. The picture was great. Remember when the Brothers posted the video clip of AVPR on their website. Everyone was asking why the whole film wasn't as good as what they posted on their site. That is how the film is in full HD/1080p. I only have my brightness set at 75 with my contrast at 85.
Quote from: Invisible Darkness on Mar 31, 2009, 02:19:46 PM
I watched AVPR in the theater. I agreed that is was a bit darker than I liked. I then bought the film on Blu-Ray and watched it on my computer monitor. The picture was slightly better, while still lacking the detail needed. I bought a 47 Inch 1080p Samsung about a month ago. What a difference. The picture was great. Remember when the Brothers posted the video clip of AVPR on their website. Everyone was asking why the whole film wasn't as good as what they posted on their site. That is how the film is in full HD/1080p. I only have my brightness set at 75 with my contrast at 85.
I watched the movie in the theater, it was dark.
I have a 42 Inch 1080p Samsung and it is dark.
I have a Epson Full HD Beamer which is in the top league of beamers right now, the movie remains dark.
There is no changing that the movie is dark, it only looks slightly better when you have good equipment, but that's about it.
That being said, i never had any problems watching the movie and i never had to brighten it up or something, but the movie is dark. It does look good in high def, but it will never look as good as on the website, the information and detail on the DVD and blu-ray, the source material, is simply not there.
It is still very dark. Now I am able to see more detail. I can see what the Predalien looks like when it is molting. I only saw a dark outline before I bought my new TV.
I never saw it in theaters, I've only seen the unrated dvd version.... but it looks perfectly fine on the tv/dvd player in my bedroom, (the daytime scenes do anyway, the rest are dark, but I can still see them), but in my living room, even the daytime scenes are a lot darker, and the rest are just about pitch black.
:-\
What makes the difference between your living room and bedroom?
It was darker than it should have been, but I could still see.
Wish it was brighter though.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
What makes the difference between your living room and bedroom?
Just different TVs and dvd players is all. They're all RCAs though. I have no idea about specific tech stuff. The dvd player in my living room is getting on in years now though, bought it in like 2001 or so, but every other movie I have looks fine on there.
The final fight looked like a pair of shiny outlines running at each other :(
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 28, 2009, 01:01:54 AM
This was posted awhile back but I thought I'd bring it up to show what could've been.
This is how the film looked before this crazy darkness problem. Notice all the details that we miss. Especially Wolf's ship.
http://hydraulx.com/2008/04demo/reels.html
Christ! I wish my copy looked like that!
Quote from: The Demon on May 30, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 28, 2009, 01:01:54 AM
This was posted awhile back but I thought I'd bring it up to show what could've been.
This is how the film looked before this crazy darkness problem. Notice all the details that we miss. Especially Wolf's ship.
http://hydraulx.com/2008/04demo/reels.html
Christ! I wish my copy looked like that!
Yeah! I never knew that girl's entire lower half dropped off!
I wish they'd just re-release it like that...
Its almost like a whole new movie. It even seems better.
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 10, 2008, 04:55:54 PM
Ok, the darkness of this movie is obviously the main problem for some people. It was dark when I saw it in the cinema, but I personally didn't have any gripes with it, I could still see what I needed to see. The reason the movie is so dark was the BS intention, they wanted the thing dark and moody. It ain't Pearls fault, he's amazing at his job, it's just what he was told to do. Whether it will be too dark in DVD awaits to be seen, but after seeing those screen caps the thing looks ridiculously dark. As in the verge of annoying.
Darkness is so important..., never worry about those rants man, this is like the people complaining about doom3 being too dark, so we shouldn,t take all those rants seriously imo.
Aside from the hundreds of internet accounts of people complaining about the darkness... movie, dvd, and home theater critics all also said it was too dark. I say take the rants "seriously".
It's not so much that it's 'dark' it's way too murky. It's just not a nice movie to look at.
Quote from: War Wager on May 31, 2009, 04:43:06 PM
It's not so much that it's 'dark' it's way too murky. It's just not a nice movie to look at.
It's both ultra dark and super murky. The final product of the film that we are left with overall makes out to be a painful experience. I haven't quite seen anything like AVP-R in my entire life. You spend more time trying to just let it go and forgive the film for it's mistakes, then having the painful experience of trying to focus your eyes on what you are seeing for an hour and fourty minutes.
Everytime I've seen AVP-R in the past it always felt like I didn't see the movie yet or the f--king movie didn't even come out yet. The Strause Brothers in the end can go suck a big fat c--k for what they did to this film.
Quote from: War Wager on May 31, 2009, 04:43:06 PM
It's not so much that it's 'dark' it's way too murky. It's just not a nice movie to look at.
The Blu-Ray is dark, take my word for it. But the HD picture helps to the point where I can see things so I really don't have anything to complain about.
Yeah the HD picture does help, I was at Blockbuster and they were showing the trailer for AvPR and you can see clearly.
You sure it wasn't the redband trailer you were watching? Coz the colour correction in it is very different from the actual film.
Oops I should have realised that when I said "trailer." Aren't all of them different from the film that we got? Oh well, NVM what I said then lol.
The HD version of the movie is crisp, but still extremely dark. Too dark...
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 28, 2009, 01:01:54 AM
This was posted awhile back but I thought I'd bring it up to show what could've been.
This is how the film looked before this crazy darkness problem. Notice all the details that we miss. Especially Wolf's ship.
http://hydraulx.com/2008/04demo/reels.html
Fair play to 'em, those CGI sets are pretty darn good!
Yeah pretty darn good sets, but totally useless now since every single shot has been f--ked in the final product of the film.
Watching those demo reels just pisses me off more... why would anyone think removing all the great detail that those clips had was a good idea?
Probably because it revealed how shitty the normal Aliens looked. I mean, we could tell how shitty they looked in the dark.
Yeah, i guess that is a possible reason :-\
Still, in the demo, the short clip of sewer battle, all the light/detail made everything look so much better, even the Alien. Everything just looked... better. Yeah, the movie's story still would have sucked but with this detail it would have at least been nice to look at.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 03, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Probably because it revealed how shitty the normal Aliens looked. I mean, we could tell how shitty they looked in the dark.
I'm sure this has come up before, but adding to that point: Chet did look just a bit too top-heavy and awkward, even in the dark.
(Even if it was in fact a young queen)
Woah, watching it on the PS3 for the first time, it's a lot clearer.
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 05, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
Woah, watching it on the PS3 for the first time, it's a lot clearer.
On Blu-ray?
Yeah.
But I mean it's even clearer than it was on the Blu-ray player.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 03, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Probably because it revealed how shitty the normal Aliens looked. I mean, we could tell how shitty they looked in the dark.
Even if that was the case to make the film darker to hide how fake everything looked, it's still not an effective method to get around it. I would rather see how fake it all looked than to see nothing at all for an hour and fourty f--kin minutes :)
And again, lets say making the film dark to hide everything was true, why not just make the scenes that did look fake slightly darker and everything else that looked good nice and clear? Noooo, the entire film had to be completely dark.
All that effort and money to light the f--king scene to only ruine it all with a push of button in the editing room lol. I swear to god even I knew the basics of lighting when I did DOD at 15 years old. I remember telling everyone at my school, "remember exposer, set your exposer right, it's your best friend" :D
I stand by the idea of turning all your lights off and raising the brightness on your TV slightly.
It looked fine in the theater. It looks fine on blu-ray on an HD projector. But I admit it's very dark and hard to see on my standard DVD in my dorm room. But I shut the lights off and raised the brightness just a little bit and I saw everything just fine.
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 05, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
Woah, watching it on the PS3 for the first time, it's a lot clearer.
Which resolution were you playing at? Coz I found that 1080i for some reason, looked better than 1080p.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 06, 2009, 04:12:41 AM
I stand by the idea of turning all your lights off and raising the brightness on your TV slightly.
What? Why should I? I have never in my life had to mess with my setup just to watch a film! It's ridiculous, you shouldn't have to fiddle about with brightness and contrast.
Yes it's dark.
Can't beleive this is still up for discussion.....move on.
Well we need to discuss something - especially now since we need to work our ranks back up with the new forum settings - lol :D
Here's an opinion. Darkness is not scary. Dark Shadows are.
In Final Cut, there's a filter called Color Correction 3-way (no joke), where you can change the tints and brightness of the whites, mids, and blacks individually. I find that if you darken the shadows and mids but brighten the whites just a bit, you get depth, and that's important.
Uhuh... well it's a shame the Not-So Super Strausii Bros didn't consider such a technique.
Perhaps they went too far with darkness in avpr, but that might,ve been in order to hide the shitty alien designs or something like that; whatever It,s like that or not, darkness is just one of the most important elements in an alien movie, and I guess this is not a secret all of us.
There's a difference between darkly lit, and just turning down the brightness level on the film in the editing.
The Alien films are the former, AvPR is the latter.
QuoteWhat? Why should I? I have never in my life had to mess with my setup just to watch a film! It's ridiculous, you shouldn't have to fiddle about with brightness and contrast.
Oh for God's sake, it's pushing a couple of buttons a few times. It took me five seconds. It's not that big of a deal. If you want to see the film, that's all it takes. If you'd rather not watch it, or stare at blackness for an hour and a half, just because you feel adjusting your TV settings is so beneath you, then you have fun.
By the way, the Eraserhead DVD and MANY dark video games feature screen adjustment screens at the beginning, so you can adjust your settings and ensure that you view the film/game the way it's meant to be seen. You don't see tons of people bitching on Eraserhead forums.
That's because they wish Eraserhead was darker and thus spare them the ordeal of sitting through it.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 09, 2009, 09:10:01 AM
QuoteWhat? Why should I? I have never in my life had to mess with my setup just to watch a film! It's ridiculous, you shouldn't have to fiddle about with brightness and contrast.
Oh for God's sake, it's pushing a couple of buttons a few times. It took me five seconds. It's not that big of a deal. If you want to see the film, that's all it takes. If you'd rather not watch it, or stare at blackness for an hour and a half, just because you feel adjusting your TV settings is so beneath you, then you have fun.
By the way, the Eraserhead DVD and MANY dark video games feature screen adjustment screens at the beginning, so you can adjust your settings and ensure that you view the film/game the way it's meant to be seen. You don't see tons of people bitching on Eraserhead forums.
But you're changing the games settings, not your TV's settings...
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
That's because they wish Eraserhead was darker and thus spare them the ordeal of sitting through it.
f**k you, Eraserhead is awesome.
it looks fine on my TV if I brighten it up a little bit.
You shouldn't have to adjust the brightness.
Quotef**k you, Eraserhead is awesome.
Awesome as a non-chemical form of curing insomnia.
No, you shouldn't HAVE to adjust the brightness. But I'd much rather go through the very small amount of trouble so I can actually watch the film, rather than avoiding the film or spending the entire run time not being able to see anything.
Yes, with most dark games, you're changing the game settings, but I hardly see a difference. It's sacrificing a few seconds to prepare your system before enjoying the piece of media.
Besides, it's not like you have to crank the settings up so high that any other film would look awful if you didn't change your settings back. I had the tweak the settings ever so slightly and other media looked fine with the new settings.
And for the record, I personally love Eraserhead.
Considering it's score of 90% on rottentomatoes and 7.4 on IMDb, David Lynch wins.
Quoterather than avoiding the film or spending the entire run time not being able to see anything.
Go with the former.
Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jun 09, 2009, 10:37:21 AM
f**k you, Eraserhead is awesome.
How about "I disagree, Eraserhead is awesome"? Yeah, let's stick with that, shall we.
'Disagree' has too many letters and syllables.
ZING!!!!
Sodomy.
Slightly less letters, but still the same amount of syllables.
Foushta!
:D
Quote from: SiL on Jun 09, 2009, 09:05:31 AM
There's a difference between darkly lit, and just turning down the brightness level on the film in the editing.
The Alien films are the former, AvPR is the latter.
Well-said.
I just wanted to bring this topic to the fore because I left the boards for a time after AVP:R was released, and at the time, the majority opinion was that people "didn't see what the big deal was." Now, I see that most people agree that this movie is too dark for the sake of just being freaking dark. And I"m glad that the opinion around here has shifted to that.
if i turn up the brightness then i can see some stuff but the picture becomes grainy. and if i leave it like that and watch star wars, i can see the outlines around the ships.