If there was a Queen in the game how do you think it could have tied into the stealth gameplay?
I'd imagine for the most part it would have functioned similar to the normal xeno's gameplay with regards to avoiding its senses, but due to the Queen's size would involve less sporadic navigation of the environment (transitioning into vents and etc). I could see it being able to destroy hiding spots that it might have sense the player using and maybe being less susceptible to the flamethrower.
I think had there been an AI 2 we would have seen such a scenario, too bad that no longer seems likely.
Looking at the Hive, I'd say there was a Queen. She just wasn't part of the game. Had she been in the game, I'd have preferred a non combat role for her. Either 1 of 2 scenarios.
1. Amanda finds her way into the Queens chamber to avoid the pursuing Aliens. The room is large and dark, with a blue tint, similar to the Queens chamber from the second film. Amanda let's out some quiet dialogue, such as a "oh my God". The player is able to see the queen from about 20-30 feet away. There's some light smoke or haze in the air, and an egg can be seen being deposited on the floor near the queen. The Queen never awakens and the player is narratively forced to continue out of the chamber and back into the hive.
2. The same as above, only after a second line of dialogue or some scripted noise by Amanda, causes the Queen to awaken. After a nice animation of the Queen awakening and taking stock of the intruder, she rears her head back and screams loudly, summoning her children. The tracker is heard beeping, as Amanda sees signals closing in from all directions and realizes she needs to escape quickly. The player runs out of the chamber, using the motion tracker to guide their way to an appropriate escape, as the Queen can still be heard roaring deep within the Hive, even once Amanda is far away.
The above is why I'm glad it wasn't included, she's better off unseen.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 17, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
The above is why I'm glad it wasn't included, she's better off unseen.
After A:CM, I don't think I could've stood it. That's why, if she absolutely had to be included, it wouldn't be for long. I think the Hive section of Isolation was pretty well done just the way it was.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 17, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 17, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
The above is why I'm glad it wasn't included, she's better off unseen.
After A:CM, I don't think I could've stood it. That's why, if she absolutely had to be included, it wouldn't be for long. I think the Hive section of Isolation was pretty well done just the way it was.
Interesting. I definitely had no problem with not seeing her either, and just assumed she was either around and we never saw her.
Just watching Aliens recently I wondered if they tried to implement her as an interactive enemy type, what sort of mechanics would make that sort of encounter interesting to play.
There was a Queen, CA confirmed that but they didn't include her in the actual game because they thought it wasn't very "Alien" and they thought the player would expect to fight her. https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-creative-assembly-post-launch/
I'm glad she wasn't in it as The Queen is used to often these days and the eggs are enough to let you know that she was about somewhere on the station.
If there's ever a sequel to Isolation, I'd love to have sections where you were faced to stealth pass a queen. Or rather have multiple instances throughout where you have to go against her. None of your gadgets worked on her, just you, her and level design. I want to poop my pants like certain sections of Outlast where everything's dark as shit but there's something unkillable nearby. I would even be fond if you ever got to see her grow during these sections. She just starts as a lil' Preatorian, getting bigger the more you progress through the game, making each encounter different each time.
I would of liked to of seen the Queen as you leave the Hive. And you have to avoid it when your leaving the Central Reactor section. You still have to deactivate the Cores in this section, but instead of dealing with a bunch of working Joe's you have to get pass and avoid the Queen that's blocking your path. This part of the level would of been great for the Queen cos it's a big open space and it has long walkways that circle in on themselves. However after this section you don't get to encounter her till you have to escape the Anesidora (some how the Queen gets on that ship) and when you escape the Anesidora you encounter her one more time as the ship is about to explode.. (I've always thought the Anesidora felt a little too empty and a wasted opportunity in that section of the game) Then have the rest of the game as it was.
I disagree, the game's stronger without her presence.
It would've been a mistake.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 24, 2018, 09:23:36 PM
I disagree, the game's stronger without her presence.
It would've been a mistake.
I do agree that the game feels more like Alien without the Queen. But as soon as I seen the Hive when first playing the game, I was expecting the Queen to make a cameo at some point in the game, but she never did. Before I first seen the Hive i was hoping they would do something with Egg Morphing rather then adding a typical Hive. Just think how mysterious the game would of been if they showed people in different stages of Egg Morphing?
The Queen was definitely unecessary. It was always you against one xenomorph, not the hive. Even in the hive and the post-hive game it was mostly just you trying to avoid a single xenomorph.
There's plenty of nods to ALIENS that an appearance from the Queen would've worked fine. It wouldn't be sacrilege, or something. The first moment you discover there are multiple Alien's, it ceases strictly being ALIEN and you suddenly get vibes of ALIENS. From the moment you enter the hive, it especially harkens back to ALIENS. The later end of the game also oozes ALIENS with the amount of facehuggers and eggs lying around. Seeing a Queen wouldn't have affected things differently at all.
Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 28, 2018, 06:30:42 AM
The first moment you discover there are multiple Alien's, it ceases strictly being ALIEN ...Seeing a Queen wouldn't have affected things differently at all.
Yep. Even if she just would've been scenery, a dozing shape in the distance, it still would've been cool and in no way would've hurt the experience at all. Once all the extra xeno's started running around and you saw the hive and eggs, it shouldn't have been that big of a deal.
Agreed, a part of me wanted to see the Queen since there was no apparent eggmorphing. But If CA didn't know what would be a right way to do it, I'm grateful they were responsible with the lore and didn't show the creatures in poor light.
Ok just for shit and giggles, and not to be taking too seriously.. But say if CA did have a Queen encounter, when you enter or leave the Hive section in Isolation? Then do you guys think CA should of replaced the original xenomorph design with Cameron's xenomorph design after the Queen or Hive encounter? especially later in the game when you have to avoid 2 aliens in say mission 17 Desolation? Also in the rooms were you originally encounter the 2 xenomorphs that we got in the original game? How different would you make Cameron's creatures act? Obviously it would have the same mechanics at the original alien but would you change it's behaviour in anyway or just keep them the same, but with Cameron's xeno skin on then?
Actually, it's something I thought about when I reached that point in the game.
When you discovered the Hive, I would've liked half of the Aliens to use
the R.S/H.R Giger design and the J.C/Stan Winston design.
No behavioural changes.
Definitely would of made the final act of the game interesting be it for the better or worse. I bet if Isolation sold well then CA would of brought the Queen and Cameron's xenomorphs in a sequel.
I f**king hate the Queen and I'm glad she isn't part of the experience.
Additionally, even if I liked the sheer horror of suddenly having multiple xenomorphs to deal with, a full colonization of the station, at the same time it diminishes the creature, it turns back this new Big Chap into "a drone" amongst others.
I would have much preferred this game to explore other options of the reproductive cycle, particularly the eggmorphing. I know I'm not the only one who hoped for that, and also hoped for a sequel to develop this kind of things.
How does multiple Big Chaps diminish the singular Big Chap?
The individual, especially in Isolation is depicted as every bit as deadly as the group.
If one Big Chap is a major threat, as Isolation depicts even on a station with Androids and civilian weaponry. Then more is just a multiplier of that threat, it doesn't diminish the singular entity whatsoever. That's nonsense.
I wouldn't say it's nonsense. I think (for certain people) there is an innate human fear of a singular threat.
For me personally, seeing all the other xenos did take away some of the terror, although they thankfully kept the number low after that. Just like with the first and second films, it felt like the horror had been replaced by action.
I would be much more terrified of being in the water with one shark, than with several, the same with xenomorphs. It's the feeling that comes with the presence of one threat. It can hide easier, it's harder to track, harder to see, harder to hear. It could be anywhere, and the whole situation feels much more intimate. This awful thing that's after you is not just one of many acting as part of a greater whole, it's not some swarm you might wander into the path of. It's mentally dedicated, and it's singularly focused on hunting and killing you. That makes it feel personal, and that's scary.
Plus there's also the chance a survival, a sense of hope that comes with one threat. If I can just do everything right, if I'm really careful, I might just survive. When you're facing a swarm, it all feels hopeless. Hopelessness leads to acceptance and/or indifference, neither of which are conducive to maintaining fear.
But then again, not everybody feels this way. But some indeed do.
The Old One> Multiple Aliens will always trivialize the threat in my opinion, even without Colonial Marines to play trigger-happy. It just doesn't have the same weight when it multiplies, the mind is unable to encompass the scale of the threat anymore. Plus it reminds us that the Alien is a species, it deprives it from its mystery.
Yet it's true that in the entire Alien franchise, Isolation is the work where I felt the less this effect. And more than in any other post here, I'd like to indicate this opinion on the plural Aliens is a personal feeling more than any kind of larger aesthetic statement. I perfectly understand and respect people who find multiple creatures even more terrifying, I'm just not hardwired this way.
Huggs> The things you're saying about the singular threat are very interesting. Yeah, it may work this way. I don't know. I think here we're really talking about things on a very intimate, very instinctive level - fear is always a little personal, and fear of the individual VS fear of the group is even more personal. Really depends on people in the end, I guess.
This discussion leads me to reevaluate the (very negative) way I think about AlienS and about any work featuring multiple xenomorphs.
I get where you and Huggs are coming from, but yeah, I'm in the camp where more aliens create more fear. But only when it's done smart, when one alien is fully established as a relentless threat, then and only then do I get such gratification when I see multiple aliens, because that dread I feel is more horrifying to me than one alien that can be barley stopped. That dread, or as Huggs put it, that hopelessness, that "no way out" is to me personally even more horrifying than an intimate individual threat that always seems on a level more mortal and stoppable than a plethora of near perfect nightmares.
This is just my view on things, of course.
I like the idea of a queen on Sevastapol. I think they could have created a scary encounter involving her somehow. But I understand why they didnt, maintaining the spirit of the first film and all.
Personally, i prefer idea of eggmorphing to "yes there was a queen but you was lucky enough not to encounter her". And i think it would be cool to hide like Newt under the floor while Queen hunting for you.
Amanda's Ripley's lucky star.
Personally I like The idea of both eggmorphing and queen, there's some courses start in a fetus position like the very same way that Brett was in the Director cut when he was becoming an egg. But then you get eggs they're like in the middle of the room and aren't nearby any walls. I think this is the case for both sides can coexist
The Queen should appear in the sequel if there is any.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 12, 2023, 01:19:00 PMThe Queen should appear in the sequel if there is any.
If there was a sequel in the making, yes, how to implement her I think the story is a question on it own
It would just end up being hiding from her to activate an airlock or mcguffin, which has been done too many times already.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 17, 2023, 12:31:21 AMIt would just end up being hiding from her to activate an airlock or mcguffin, which has been done too many times already.
Yeah it would be kind of hard to implement her into the gameplay expects. Can be done though but I don't know how
I still prefer to think of the queen in 'Aliens' as an aberration /first of its kind/ an adaptation to environmental circumstance. Folk on the whole seem to have this need to limit the xeno to a big ant (in part fuelled by years of Dark Horse comics that followed the lead of the second movie only). But that's not what the movies show us. In fact, we've never seen the same thing twice on screen when it comes to the Alien movies. The Xenomorph works best as a volatile and chaotic adaptive creature that cannot be predicted.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 18, 2023, 09:21:22 AMFolk on the whole seem to have this need to limit the xeno to a big ant (in part fuelled by years of Dark Horse comics that followed the lead of the second movie only
The Alien was always insect-like from the beginning. All Cameron did was add a Queen.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 19, 2023, 07:44:04 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 18, 2023, 09:21:22 AMFolk on the whole seem to have this need to limit the xeno to a big ant (in part fuelled by years of Dark Horse comics that followed the lead of the second movie only
The Alien was always insect-like from the beginning. All Cameron did was add a Queen.
Not really; there was not one thing about the creature in the first movie that could be considered specifically insect-like. At a stretch you could compare it laying its young in a host like a parasitic wasp- but then that's like comparing a bird to a snake because they both lay eggs. The creature in the first movie was truly alien.
James Cameron introduced the hive in the 2nd movie, made the alien a mindless drone, introduced a queen, and if you go by the special edition, wasn't subtle about it at all, with the whole "maybe it's like an ant hive" "bees man! Bees have hives""you know what I mean, one female that runs the whole shell""yes, the queen". I mean he literally had to spell it out for the benefit of the stupid, as if nobody knows what a hive is or how it works. 😂
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 19, 2023, 08:43:33 PMNot really; there was not one thing about the creature in the first movie that could be considered specifically insect-like. At a stretch you could compare it laying its young in a host like a parasitic wasp- but then that's like comparing a bird to a snake because they both lay eggs. The creature in the first movie was truly alien.
James Cameron introduced the hive in the 2nd movie, made the alien a mindless drone, introduced a queen, and if you go by the special edition, wasn't subtle about it at all, with the whole "maybe it's like an ant hive" "bees man! Bees have hives""you know what I mean, one female that runs the whole shell""yes, the queen". I mean he literally had to spell it out for the benefit of the stupid, as if nobody knows what a hive is or how it works. 😂
Yes there was. You would have to be blind not to notice the many traits it has in common with insects. Eggs, Parasite, acid blood, its exo/endo/meso-skeleton-like appearance in general and there have been one or so people from back then that described it as such.
For "mindless drones", they cut the power, sabotaged a dropship, tested defences and got around them. And of course they wiped out a squad of marines.
The exposition was the character's benefit, not ours. :P
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 19, 2023, 09:08:19 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 19, 2023, 08:43:33 PMNot really; there was not one thing about the creature in the first movie that could be considered specifically insect-like. At a stretch you could compare it laying its young in a host like a parasitic wasp- but then that's like comparing a bird to a snake because they both lay eggs. The creature in the first movie was truly alien.
James Cameron introduced the hive in the 2nd movie, made the alien a mindless drone, introduced a queen, and if you go by the special edition, wasn't subtle about it at all, with the whole "maybe it's like an ant hive" "bees man! Bees have hives""you know what I mean, one female that runs the whole shell""yes, the queen". I mean he literally had to spell it out for the benefit of the stupid, as if nobody knows what a hive is or how it works. 😂
Yes there was. You would have to be blind not to notice the many traits it has in common with insects. Eggs, Parasite, acid blood, its exo/endo/meso-skeleton-like appearance in general and there have been one or so people from back then that described it as such.
For "mindless drones", they cut the power, sabotaged a dropship, tested defences and got around them. And of course they wiped out a squad of marines.
The exposition was the character's benefit, not ours. :P
Eggs: not exclusive to insects.
Parasitic: not exclusive to insects
Acid blood: insects don't have blood, they have haemolymph, and it's ph is barely acidic, it is borderline neutral.
Exoskeleton: not exclusive to insects.
There was no insect-like behaviour observed in the first movie. Likewise, there wasn't even anything remotely insect in its morphology; Defining characteristics of an insect;
"a chitinous exoskeleton, a three-part body (head, thorax and abdomen), three pairs of jointed legs, compound eyes, and a pair of antennae."
A three part body: a Xenomorph does not have this.
Three pairs of jointed legs: a Xenomorph does not have this.
Compound eyes: a Xenomorph does not have this.
A pair of antennae; a Xenomorph does not have this.
At best, you have a *presumed* exoskeleton - though even this is not actually clear in the first movie since a draft of the script showed the creature could reshape itself, and on screen we can see a skull behind the head plate, showing it has a skeleton (something else an insect doesn't have).
Not one thing really.
It's an intelligent parasitic bipedal with a biomechanical exterior. It cocoons its prey and they undergo a metamorphosis into its larvae. Name one insect on Earth that fits that description or displays that behaviour. I'll wait.
As for the exposition; yeah sure, it was totally for the benefit of the colonial marines, middle aged soldiers that frequent colonies on multiple worlds but need reminding by a droid what the hierarchy of an insect hive is, and totally not at all for the benefit of giving the audience a name to the big alien in the movie for marketing purposes to sell the merch.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never said it was exclusive.... :P
The Alien has multiple traits of insects/bugs/arachnids. Or whatever umbrella term can be used.
I.E it has always had bug-like, insect-like or arachnid-like traits. :P
As for minute details such as body parts, yeah it is an Alien, the traits it has is not from simply one type of insect.
It makes hives/resin production (which it did in the first film, regardless of the scene being cut) it can walk on walls (spider) it is eusocial (ants, termites) the "blood" which was just for ease of phrasing, it is pretty obvious its not blood, blood. So no need to be pedantic.
Overall the alien is an amalgram of insect/bug like traits, something it had from the start. Thus they was always bug-like/insect-like :laugh:
Also one more thing....I never called it an actual insect :P :laugh: I said it was "insect-like" so trying to make me compare it to earth insects is again you being confrontational for no reason.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 19, 2023, 10:02:12 PMNever said it was exclusive.... :P
The Alien has multiple traits of insects/bugs/arachnids. Or whatever umbrella term can be used.
I.E it has always had bug-like, insect-like or arachnid-like traits. :P
As for minute details such as body parts, yeah it is an Alien, the traits it has is not from simply one type of insect.
It makes hives/resin production (which it did in the first film, regardless of the scene being cut) it can walk on walls (spider) it is eusocial (ants, termites) the "blood" which was just for ease of phrasing, it is pretty obvious its not blood, blood. So no need to be pedantic.
Overall the alien is an amalgram of insect/bug like traits, something it had from the start. Thus they was always bug-like/insect-like :laugh:
Also one more thing....I never called it an actual insect :P :laugh: I said it was "insect-like" so trying to make me compare it to earth insects is again you being confrontational for no reason.
Not being confrontational at all; you're doing it again- trying to prove points with factors which weren't in the first movie; it makes hives? No it doesn't, there was biomechanical growth on the walls around where Brett and Dallas were eggmorphing. There is no 'hive' until the second movie. It can walk on walls? When? When does it walk on walls in the first movie? It is eusocial? No way of confirming, it is the only alien on board, and it didn't seem particularly protective of the eggs it was morphing the hosts into, so no idea where you are getting that. I'm still waiting for you to point out the bug-like traits in the *first* movie (which is the point of this conversation) the best you have is concept art of Dallas being cocooned in a web-like structure, that you could say is arachnid-like... and it never made it into the movie (or the directors cut, the webbing was switched to biomechanical growth). That's it. That's all you have without having to lean heavily on the sequels.
I could do what you are doing and apply any number of traits to another type of organisms, in example, let's pull this out of my ass and say "you'd have to be blind not to see this is heavily based on marine invertebrates! Parasitic, chitinous exoskeleton, it can squeeze in areas smaller than its body, it can excrete solid resin-based structures, it's highly adaptable to environmental stressors (etc etc)" but like with your argument, that's nothing but an anthropomorphic interpretation: you're seeing what you want to see, and it's heavily influenced by what you know of the second movie and expanded media onwards... which brings us back full circle; it was never a bug until the second movie.
hive/resin
Could class it as either. Deleted scene sure but it was something they did from the beginning.
It would be a coincidence if they only had one insect trait but they have multiple.
Not sure where you are getting that I was only talking about the first film... Just said that they were insect-like from the beginning, which they were.
But I will bite. Egg, Facehugger/chestburster, acid "blood", molting, "exoskeleton" and general appearance. Cocooning (deleted scene but it was in the first film)
All insect-like traits from the first film.
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence/
https://screenhub.blog/2018/08/14/why-aliens-didnt-turn-the-monster-into-a-space-bug-screenhub-entertainment/
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 20, 2023, 12:56:48 AMhive/resin
Could class it as either. Deleted scene sure but it was something they did from the beginning.
It would be a coincidence if they only had one insect trait but they have multiple.
Not sure where you are getting that I was only talking about the first film... Just said that they were insect-like from the beginning, which they were.
But I will bite. Egg, Facehugger/chestburster, acid "blood", molting, "exoskeleton" and general appearance. Cocooning (deleted scene but it was in the first film)
All insect-like traits from the first film.
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence/
https://screenhub.blog/2018/08/14/why-aliens-didnt-turn-the-monster-into-a-space-bug-screenhub-entertainment/
LOL, we are never going to agree on this. 😉
You don't understand why we are only discussing the first movie? *sigh* I mean... this whole conversation started because I said the 2nd movie turned the creature into a big bug, and you asserted that it had always been so... I mean, what other source of media before the 2nd movie, other than the 1st movie, would you like us to compare? 😂
The big chap does only have one on-screen factor that could be (barely) considered insect-like.. that would be the one I acknowledged in my very FIRST reply to you when I said (quote:) "laying its young in a host like a parasitic wasp" - I'm not sure what was to be gained by linking to the strange shapes blog with quotes from O'Bannon and co confirming what I'd already said? 😂 Especially when, if you actually read it - it cites parasites, microscopic organisms, and insects as inspirations. Three sources of inspiration. Their main source of inspiration was a very specific parasitic wasp,yes; but that is the source of inspiration for the chestburster scene; not the alien itself. Like I said in my posts above; the traits you are claiming are insect-like, beyond the way it reproduces can be attributed to any number of organisms. You can keep repeating the same handful of so-called traits, and I'll happily provide you a list of all the non-insect species that can do exactly the same. (I also ought to point out that particular wasp is an outlier; 99.9% of insects do NOT reproduce by laying young in a host - it wasn't an inspiration because it was an insect, it was an inspiration as a parasite, so even though it inspired the chestburster scene, that in itself isn't a typical insect-like trait).
Now in comparison, I *cant* do that with the 2nd movie; a Hive? A queen /matriarch system with drones/workers? Can I attribute those factors to any other known organism? No. At least, non that I know of (keen to know if there are!); those factors are exclusively bug/insect... which once again brings us full circle to my original comment; They weren't reduced to bugs until the 2nd movie.
When you can give a list of exclusively insect-like traits or behaviours seen on-screen in the first movie (key word being exclusive, meaning I cannot cite another creature that does the same) I'll be willing to discuss more. Until then, simply listing attributes that a gazillion species can do it's like me saying "in the 'Underworld' movies, the werewolves/lycans were based on chimps!! They have all the same traits! Territorial, bi-pedal, fur all over their body, they don't lay eggs, giving birth to live young - just like a chimp! you'd have to be blind not to see it! It's so obvious" (sounds absolutely ridiculous when you take it to extremes doesn't it?)
But the truth is, the big chap in 'Alien' was way more than just a big bug. Same can't be said of the way the drones were handled in 'Aliens'.
And furthermore to those strange shapes article quotes; talking about inspirations, did you ever see the original concept art for the creature before Giger was brought on board? Now that WAS an insect through and through (thank god we didn't get that in the movie!) 🤣 Things evolve.. the chestburster scene was magical, and I'm pleased that was the only thing carried over from the original inspiration source for what would otherwise have been a laughable (and forgettable) B-movie monster (gawd that thing was awful.. I forget, was it Ron Cobb's design?) 🤣
By all means ignore the sources.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 03:09:33 AMThey weren't reduced to bugs until the 2nd movie.
🤣
They were never reduced to bugs at all, they were always bug-like.
Also I don't recall the drone of the first movie cutting power, sabotaging dropships, testing defences, getting around said defences etc
They were hardly reduced, they were just up against
armed threats :laugh:
The Drone in the first movie does cut the power, inferred anyway.
Are you referring to the loss of cameras or something in the lower decks? I think that was due to lack of repairs as Dallas wanted to get off the planet asap.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2023, 12:20:46 PMThe Drone in the first movie does cut the power, inferred anyway.
Indeed, in 12-module. 😊 It is also intelligent enough to get to the life boat when the cooling system is turned off, and remains hidden in an act of self-preservation, as opposed to just mindlessly running and throwing itself directly at Ripley's flame thrower. 😂
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 20, 2023, 12:43:54 PMAre you referring to the loss of cameras or something in the lower decks? I think that was due to lack of repairs as Dallas wanted to get off the planet asap.
"I thought you fixed 12-module."
"We did."
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 12:46:34 PMas opposed to just mindlessly running and throwing itself directly at Ripley's flame thrower. 😂
When in Aliens did the Alien mindlessly run and throw themselves at Ripley's flamethrower?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 20, 2023, 12:55:16 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 12:46:34 PMas opposed to just mindlessly running and throwing itself directly at Ripley's flame thrower. 😂
When in Aliens did the Alien mindlessly run and throw themselves at Ripley's flamethrower?
They threw themselves at the sentry guns. Repeatedly. Watching each drone before them getting mowed down, and still proceeded. 3 separate occasions; the tunnel to the pressure door, and two separate corridors. Hive mentality; drones with little care for self-preservation. (I'm starting to question if you and I are watching the same movies?) 😂
You know it's perfectly fine to love the second movie and still acknowledge it's different from the first, right? Nobody is hating on 'Aliens' here (I love the original trilogy)... I simply prefer the creatures portrayal in the first movie, which is very different to the portrayal in the second movie. There aren't any James Cameron voodoo dolls to be saved here by retroactively applying factors from the sequels to the first movie. It's either in the first movie or it isn't. There was no part of 'Alien' that made me think "bug". 'Aliens' on the other hand goes out of its way to literally tell you "bug". And that's fine, that was Cameron's intention. But I have a preference for the former. Alien 3 restored balance by reeling it back a bit.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 01:55:23 PMYou know it's perfectly fine to love the second movie and still acknowledge it's different from the first, right? Nobody is hating on 'Aliens' here
I don't care if people like Aliens or not, it is their right to have a preference. I am simply stating that they were insect-like to begin with, as those sources I provided show.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 01:55:23 PMThey threw themselves at the sentry guns. Repeatedly. Watching each drone before them getting mowed down, and still proceeded. 3 separate occasions; the tunnel to the pressure door, and two separate corridors. Hive mentality; drones with little care for self-preservation. (I'm starting to question if you and I are watching the same movies?) 😂
The sentry guns are not Ripley's flamethrower. :laugh: :P
Also as I said, they were testing the defences and finding ways to get around them, which they did.
Some species with a Queen will sacrifice themselves to protect their Queen from threats and by protecting the queen, they are preserving the species.... :P
So yeah, they sacrificed themselves to take down a threat to the source of their "colony". Which is not dumb, in chess the pawns go first.
Regardless, the sources I provided state the intentions of the filmmakers, nothing else needs to be said, especially since you seem to be ignoring them.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 20, 2023, 02:09:33 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 01:55:23 PMYou know it's perfectly fine to love the second movie and still acknowledge it's different from the first, right? Nobody is hating on 'Aliens' here
I don't care if people like Aliens or not, it is their right to have a preference. I am simply stating that they were insect-like to begin with, as those sources I provided show.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 20, 2023, 01:55:23 PMThey threw themselves at the sentry guns. Repeatedly. Watching each drone before them getting mowed down, and still proceeded. 3 separate occasions; the tunnel to the pressure door, and two separate corridors. Hive mentality; drones with little care for self-preservation. (I'm starting to question if you and I are watching the same movies?) 😂
The sentry guns are not Ripley's flamethrower. :laugh: :P
Also as I said, they were testing the defences and finding ways to get around them, which they did.
Some species with a Queen will sacrifice themselves to protect their Queen from threats and by protecting the queen, they are preserving the species.... :P
So yeah, they sacrificed themselves to take down a threat to the source of their "colony". Which is not dumb, in chess the pawns go first.
Regardless, the sources I provided state the intentions of the filmmakers, nothing else needs to be said, especially since you seem to be ignoring them.
LMFAO - You are literally attempting to argue with me by confirming exactly what I am saying. Self-sacrifice to protect a queen is Hive Mentality! These concepts weren't introduced until the *second movie* - there was no concept of a queen in the first movie (I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand here?? Your attempts to assert that the creature in the first movie is insect-like by constantly referencing the second movie just doesn't hold any water and never will
). Your argument is like Schrodinger's Xenomorph ; on one hand asserting that it definitely has all the traits of a bug when referring to the first movie but at the exact same time arguing that it's way more than just a bug in the second movie to suit your argument as required. 😂
Your 'sources' confirm what I said to you in my very *first* reply regarding a parasitic wasp, and I've addressed them several times. Are you ok? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You know, differences of opinion are perfectly fine.. If you are happy feeling the first movie portrayed a bug-like creature, more power to you. But I'll never understand the mentality of those who desperately need to assert their personal head-canon or interpretations as 'matter of fact'as if you've just stabbed their first born for saying anything to the contrary.
You know what, suuuure, it's a big ant. Well done you. You won. Number 1 fan. Another threat to the 2nd movies' fragile superiority complex successfully crushed. You da man. 😂👏🥇👑🏆 *head pats*
Let's dial the tones back everyone and remember we're just fans talking about fiction online. Let's take a step away and come back without the frustrations at each other. Thanks. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2023, 03:41:07 PMLet's dial the tones back everyone and remember we're just fans talking about fiction online. Let's take a step away and come back without the frustrations at each other. Thanks. :)
My apologies Corporal. 😅
I'm glad that the queen wasn't included in the first game.
But it's something I've always thought would be cool for a sequel (that I hope and pray we see someday).
I've always imagined a very intense sequence involving having to hide and stealth through an area while the queen is looking for and/or chasing after you.
Something that captures the terror and tension of when the queen is pursuing Ripley and Newt as they're waiting for the elevator. Or when the queen is lifting up grates on the floor trying to grab Newt.
Definitely want to avoid any sequences involving getting in a power loader and/or fighting her in any way. As that has been done to death, and I feel like this should capture the terror of not being able to fight back against Stompy. Just on a larger and more intense scale (literally and figuratively).
I think the devs said that if the Queen was seen, then the player would have expected a "boss battle" of sorts. Something they either wanted to avoid or not be able to implement.
I definitely think the one screech is the queens. Very cool moment.
I also think the alien isn't a bug. It just shares some similarities to insects. The world of insects is horrifying. I would find the alien a lot less cool if it was JUST a big insect, but its clearly not. it's still a big, nasty, mysterious (screw Covenant) star beast(well, during the first 3 films). Its more of a velociraptor in most of the others.
I would love to see Alien isolation revisited but instead we see the outbreak when it first occurred like a dead space survival game and possibly show the queen
Massively off topic and sorry in advance but this thread seems active.
Where can I download, be it buying or other means, the Soundtrack for Alien Isolation? I can't find it anywhere.
Did you check YouTube they usually have the soundtrack and then just download YouTube audio recorder
Quote from: razeak on Jan 12, 2024, 01:36:50 PMI definitely think the one screech is the queens. Very cool moment.
I also think the alien isn't a bug. It just shares some similarities to insects. The world of insects is horrifying. I would find the alien a lot less cool if it was JUST a big insect, but its clearly not. it's still a big, nasty, mysterious (screw Covenant) star beast(well, during the first 3 films). Its more of a velociraptor in most of the others.
I hated the insect comparison to the Xenomorph.
They pretty much are insect-like though, even from the first film.
This man is never going to surrender
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 01, 2024, 11:19:57 PMThey pretty much are insect-like though, even from the first film.
I agree 100%
Quote from: solace97 on Apr 01, 2024, 11:12:22 PMDid you check YouTube they usually have the soundtrack and then just download YouTube audio recorder
YouTube audio recorder? How does that work with adverts? Lol
Not a factor. I forget the exact name of the app but I usually just use that and covert the file to mp3/4 I kinda forget but just watch a quick tutorial on how to download audio on YouTube it's real easy!