Well ... you guys are in for a treat ;D
It's nowhere near Predator (honestly, what can top that one) .. but it's a MUCH better than Predator 2 and Predators. Some great humor, some really gory bits and some suprises spread out in the movie that will certainly catch the attention of those who are "invested" in this franchise.
My rating? 8/10
Unfortunatly, I have to wait till everyone else untill this thing hits cinema's again. Strange thing is ... I apparently saw an "assembly" cut of the movie. Studio's are screening the movies to critics and they will pick out the version which gets the most praise. Effects, music etc. was all done btw ...
EDIT
I'd love to answer the questions fired at me in this topic ... but I CAN NOT (and will not) go into detail regarding this movie. You can ask me anything you'd like after september 8th due to my NDA.
Glad to hear it! They must be making that decision quite fast. The film premieres in 2 days!
To be fair, there have been screenings from critics a week before mine ... so that gives them about 2 weeks to decide what version they'll take. From what I could tell, they talked about 2 versions... I really don't mind though ... but it does make me wonder what "other" version is out there.
SyntaX :o THX!
Predator - ?/10
Predator 2 - ?/10
Predators - ?/10
The Predator - 8/10
AvP - ?/10
AvP:R - ?/10
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 08:10:45 AM
To be fair, there have been screenings from critics a week before mine ... so that gives them about 2 weeks to decide what version they'll take. From what I could tell, they talked about 2 versions... I really don't mind though ... but it does make me wonder what "other" version is out there.
Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear about this myself. You'll have to let us know if the released version differs from the one you saw.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 04, 2018, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 08:10:45 AM
To be fair, there have been screenings from critics a week before mine ... so that gives them about 2 weeks to decide what version they'll take. From what I could tell, they talked about 2 versions... I really don't mind though ... but it does make me wonder what "other" version is out there.
Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear about this myself. You'll have to let us know if the released version differs from the one you saw.
The news about "2 versions" caught me by suprise. I don't think the "final" version is going to differ that much though .. film had a good pace, some good humor and the action was great. I can't really talk about specifics though ... can talk about the movie more on september 8th.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 04, 2018, 08:24:31 AM
SyntaX :o THX!
Predator - ?/10
Predator 2 - ?/10
Predators - ?/10
The Predator - 8/10
AvP - ?/10
AvP:R - ?/10
Predator = 10/10
Predator 2 = 6/10
Predators = 6/10
Predator = 8/10
AvP = 2/10
AvP:R = 1/10
I
hate the AvP movies.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 08:56:55 AMcan talk about the movie more on september 8th.
embargo dropped september 8t ?
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 08:56:55 AM
Predator = 10/10
Predator 2 = 6/10
Predators = 6/10
Predator = 8/10
AvP = 2/10
AvP:R = 1/10
I hate the AvP movies.
THX THX THX ! 8)
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Well ... you guys are in for a treat ;D
It's nowhere near Predator (honestly, what can top that one) .. but it's a MUCH better than Predator 2 and Predators. Some great humor, some really gory bits and some suprises spread out in the movie that will certainly catch the attention of those who are "invested" in this franchise.
My rating? 8/10
Unfortunatly, I have to wait till everyone else untill this thing hits cinema's again. Strange thing is ... I apparently saw an "assembly" cut of the movie. Studio's are screening the movies to critics and they will pick out the version which gets the most praise. Effects, music etc. was all done btw ...
This sounds promising, understand you can't go into detail but tone wise is it really comedic or does it still have a serious edge with well placed humour like the first one?
Great news all the same that you enjoyed it :D
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 04, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Well ... you guys are in for a treat ;D
It's nowhere near Predator (honestly, what can top that one) .. but it's a MUCH better than Predator 2 and Predators. Some great humor, some really gory bits and some suprises spread out in the movie that will certainly catch the attention of those who are "invested" in this franchise.
My rating? 8/10
Unfortunatly, I have to wait till everyone else untill this thing hits cinema's again. Strange thing is ... I apparently saw an "assembly" cut of the movie. Studio's are screening the movies to critics and they will pick out the version which gets the most praise. Effects, music etc. was all done btw ...
This sounds promising, understand you can't go into detail but tone wise is it really comedic or does it still have a serious edge with well placed humour like the first one?
Great news all the same that you enjoyed it :D
The comedy works during the movie.
The action is great (and pretty brutal if you ask me).
Can't recall having such a graphic scene in a Predator movie ... I mea ... o. Sorry :D ;)
It isn't quite a story-driven movie ... It's an action movie. Sort of like Predator. They are en-route to somewhere and happen to be in the wrong place.
Sounds great, thanks!
Just thinking.
They can not choose the version of the film 6 days before the premiere of the festival and 10 days before the first mass premiere, and even on display to critics. I'm not talking about the time to print copies of the translation and dubbing for each country. The film was evaluated (R) a few weeks ago, which means that the final version was approved.
Sorry for my English. :(
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 04, 2018, 09:26:10 AM
Just thinking.
They can not choose the version of the film 6 days before the premiere of the festival and 10 days before the first mass premiere, and even on display to critics. I'm not talking about the time to print copies of the translation and dubbing for each country. The film was evaluated (R) a few weeks ago, which means that the final version was approved.
Sorry for my English. :(
I understand.
But keep in mind that there have been advanced screenings for critics only.
I'm not part of the press ... I'm just someone who knows a "guy" and got invited in.
Apparently, there have been screenings 2 weeks before mine happened.
Great to hear about the first good reaction. Maybe we will get the best-reviewed movie since...since forever?
I split the posts off from the countdown thread into an early reactions thread, ready for all the tweets later this week.
So looking forward to the. Got my tickets for next Thursday
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 04, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Great to hear about the first good reaction. Maybe we will get the best-reviewed movie since...since forever?
It's a solid movie. But, people will always find things to pick it apart.
I appreciate you can't go into detail, but can you just confirm if the Pred vision sounds have been recycled from P1 and P2? I hate the way they were changed for AVP and Predators as for me its such a staple of the character.
I know they were recycled for the trailers, but then the same was done for AVP and Predators.
Cheers.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 04, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
I appreciate you can't go into detail, but can you just confirm if the Pred vision sounds have been recycled from P1 and P2? I hate the way they were changed for AVP and Predators as for me its such a staple of the character.
I know they were recycled for the trailers, but then the same was done for AVP and Predators.
Cheers.
same for me! those sounds just add a creepy dimension to the predator's thermal vision. when Shane talked about staying faithful to the original sounds, i hope it applies to their vision too
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 04, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
I appreciate you can't go into detail, but can you just confirm if the Pred vision sounds have been recycled from P1 and P2? I hate the way they were changed for AVP and Predators as for me its such a staple of the character.
I know they were recycled for the trailers, but then the same was done for AVP and Predators.
Cheers.
You mean the "thumping" sound when a Predator stalks it's prey?
They are the same and sound crisp as f*ck (for the Fugitive that is)
There are new sounds though ... but all in all, it's more of the original sounds.
The Assassins is a bit different.
Is the Assassin Predator a worthy entry to the franchise?
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:28:51 AM
Is the Assassin Predator a worthy entry to the franchise?
Yes and "no".
For me, a Predator was always meant to use tactics to get his prey. Stealth, tactics, a clear vision ... and he executes that to perfection. The Assassin on the other hand ... not so much :laugh: It took me a while to accept that this "Predator" is different.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 04, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
I appreciate you can't go into detail, but can you just confirm if the Pred vision sounds have been recycled from P1 and P2? I hate the way they were changed for AVP and Predators as for me its such a staple of the character.
I know they were recycled for the trailers, but then the same was done for AVP and Predators.
Cheers.
You mean the "thumping" sound when a Predator stalks it's prey?
They are the same and sound crisp as f*ck (for the Fugitive that is)
There are new sounds though ... but all in all, it's more of the original sounds.
The Assassins is a bit different.
Good to hear! Yes those constant thumping heartbeat sounds in the background and others that can be found here
How is the Chemistry between The Loonies? Are they memorable or just throwaway characters?
Just tell us everything! ;)
Glad to hear your positive review, I had a feeling it could be up there with Predator 2 or surpass it in its own ways. Can't wait to see it!
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 04, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Great to hear about the first good reaction. Maybe we will get the best-reviewed movie since...since forever?
It's a solid movie. But, people will always find things to pick it apart.
Well, that kind of tends to happen when an established franchise undergoes alterations. It can be a solid film but at the same time be a Predator shitfest.
I look forward to it, but after four years and recently released material I'm not holding my breath.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 04, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 04, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Great to hear about the first good reaction. Maybe we will get the best-reviewed movie since...since forever?
It's a solid movie. But, people will always find things to pick it apart.
Well, that kind of tends to happen when an established franchise undergoes alterations. It can be a solid film but at the same time be a Predator shitfest.
I look forward to it, but after four years and recently released material I'm not holding my breath.
Nothing will ever surpass Predator. Not even this one. That's just a fact.
I like Predator 2 more than the first, so what do I know... :P
Really looking forward to this. Seeing it next Thursday afternoon.
Quote from: David 8 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I like Predator 2 more than the first, so what do I know... :P
Really looking forward to this. Seeing it next Thursday afternoon.
Same here. And I really don't why is that. I can only guess it's something to do with City Hunter.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:28:51 AM
Is the Assassin Predator a worthy entry to the franchise?
Yes and "no".
For me, a Predator was always meant to use tactics to get his prey. Stealth, tactics, a clear vision ... and he executes that to perfection. The Assassin on the other hand ... not so much :laugh: It took me a while to accept that this "Predator" is different.
As a comparison, better than the Jurassic World Indominous though? In terms of not being just a big stupid movie monster?
Quote from: georgeromero on Sep 04, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: David 8 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I like Predator 2 more than the first, so what do I know... :P
Really looking forward to this. Seeing it next Thursday afternoon.
Same here. And I really don't why is that. I can only guess it's something to do with City Hunter.
For me I think Predator is the better movie but enjoy watching Predator 2 more and that's probably due to City Hunter and seeing more kills and behavior of the predators.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 04, 2018, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:28:51 AM
Is the Assassin Predator a worthy entry to the franchise?
Yes and "no".
For me, a Predator was always meant to use tactics to get his prey. Stealth, tactics, a clear vision ... and he executes that to perfection. The Assassin on the other hand ... not so much :laugh: It took me a while to accept that this "Predator" is different.
As a comparison, better than the Jurassic World Indominous though? In terms of not being just a big stupid movie monster?
All a matter of opinion. I liked the Assassin once I got used to him.
Thanks for sharing your opinion ! Would you say the gore was over the top (a la AVPR) or was acceptable/believable ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion ! Would you say the gore was over the top (a la AVPR) or was acceptable/believable ?
There's CG blood. But it works.
SyntaX, have you read the early script?
If yes, what do you mean about the changes applied to the version you saw?
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion ! Would you say the gore was over the top (a la AVPR) or was acceptable/believable ?
There's CG blood. But it works.
I don't mind cgi blood if it's done well. It didn't look bad in Logan. Of course fake physical blood is best. A mix between two could do the trick imo.
By the way could you check your pm please?
Quote from: georgeromero on Sep 04, 2018, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 04, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion ! Would you say the gore was over the top (a la AVPR) or was acceptable/believable ?
There's CG blood. But it works.
I don't mind cgi blood if it's done well. It didn't look bad in Logan. Of course fake physical blood is best. A mix between two could do the trick imo.
By the way could you check your pm please?
Please check my original post in this thread.
I'm not answering anything specific untill it's september 8th. Sorry!
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 04, 2018, 12:58:32 PM
SyntaX, have you read the early script?
If yes, what do you mean about the changes applied to the version you saw?
Nope, didn't read it at all so I can't compare the script vs the final product.
No problem. I just hope they didn't do fake advertising ah la Predators. At least Predators trailer showed only one fake bit. What worries me is The Predator might have lots of it.
All scenes from the final trailer still in the movie?
yes / no
:)
What about the score?
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 04, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
What about the score?
Didn't pay much attention to it. There was some nice homages to the original score though!
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 04, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
What about the score?
Didn't pay much attention to it. There was some nice homages to the original score though!
Awesome!
The third act good then? I'm hoping the trailers haven't shown us much from it.
How the film looks - high-budget or not?
60-80 $ - ?
80-100 $ - ?
.... - ?
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 04, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
How the film looks - high-budget or not?
60-80 $ - ?
90-110 $ - ?
.... - ?
It looks good.... 8)
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 04, 2018, 01:18:33 PM
All scenes from the final trailer still in the movie?
yes / no
:)
No. 😁
Anyway, good question. I would like to know the answer as well.
Syntax, this is a very important question, how would you compare the body language, movements, of fugitive VS Kevin Peter halls from p1-p2?
SyntaX, when did you see the movie?
Oh, and an other, maybe answerable question... How where the dialogues?
I read the script and found the dialogues quite weak. I don't like when every second word is f**k and shit.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 04, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Syntax, this is a very important question, how would you compare the body language, movements, of fugitive VS Kevin Peter halls from p1-p2?
Seconding this question! Also, would you say Fugitive has much of a "personality" that we can see?
In regards to the ending, does it appear to set up sequels? Or can this movie stand on its own?
Any after-credits scenes or surprising "cameos"? No details or name dropping is necessary. Merely if you saw someone you didn't expect.
If you can tell the blood is CGI, is it really doing it's job?
The score's a more complex subject though.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 04, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
How is the Chemistry between The Loonies? Are they memorable or just throwaway characters?
I'd also like to know about this.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 04, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
If you can tell the blood is CGI, is it really doing it's job?
The score's a more complex subject though.
You can always tell when blood is CGI, no matter how perfect it is. Most of the time we can always tell when anything's CGI.
So the original main theme is there?
That's not true. Apart from the creatures; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-8nR0w6wM
I'd wager most people didn't realise the majority of things in the above video that are CGI.
If CGI can't create blood as believable and indistinguishable from the real thing as those trees and extensions of sets,
then CGI shouldn't be used for that purpose.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 04, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
That's not true. Apart from the creatures; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-8nR0w6wM
I'd wager most people didn't realise the majority of things in the above video that are CGI.
If CGI can't create blood as believable and indistinguishable from the real thing as those trees and extensions of sets,
then CGI shouldn't be used for that purpose.
Very strong statement, and I am personally as 3d modeler not agree, but I do see your logic. ;)
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 04, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
If CGI can't create blood as believable and indistinguishable from the real thing as those trees and extensions of sets,
then CGI shouldn't be used for that purpose.
CGI is often used for blood these days because it's a lot faster to do a retake than when you have to clean up and redress a set. Very little to do with what is convincing or not.
I know why it's used, doesn't stop me from disagreeing with that as enough justification for it's inclusion.
But I also disagree that CGI blood is always obvious, static or in movement.
https://youtu.be/L-SChMB2Mao?t=3m54s
https://youtu.be/z_fiiARgT0w?t=2m40s
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 04, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 04, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Syntax, this is a very important question, how would you compare the body language, movements, of fugitive VS Kevin Peter halls from p1-p2?
Seconding this question! Also, would you say Fugitive has much of a "personality" that we can see?
It's hard to top Kevin Peter Hall.
That being said, the Fugitive/Assassin share similarities but are both individuals. They
are both Predators in terms of movement. And yes, they are threatening as hell. While the Fugitive resembles the Predator from P1 and P2 in terms of movement and cold precision, the Assassin is different. More direct, so to speak. It does, however, show plenty of similarities to the Predator we all know.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 04, 2018, 04:10:06 PM
In regards to the ending, does it appear to set up sequels? Or can this movie stand on its own?
Any after-credits scenes or surprising "cameos"? No details or name dropping is necessary. Merely if you saw someone you didn't expect.
This movie can stand on it's own, for sure. However, it's setup so that sequels might happen.
Can't answer
(Y)the
(E) last
(A) part of your
(H) question though ;)
Thanks for the answer. How would you rank fugitive among wolf?
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 05, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 04, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 04, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Syntax, this is a very important question, how would you compare the body language, movements, of fugitive VS Kevin Peter halls from p1-p2?
Seconding this question! Also, would you say Fugitive has much of a "personality" that we can see?
It's hard to top Kevin Peter Hall.
That being said, the Fugitive/Assassin share similarities but are both individuals. They are both Predators in terms of movement. And yes, they are threatening as hell. While the Fugitive resembles the Predator from P1 and P2 in terms of movement and cold precision, the Assassin is different. More direct, so to speak. It does, however, show plenty of similarities to the Predator we all know.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 04, 2018, 04:10:06 PM
In regards to the ending, does it appear to set up sequels? Or can this movie stand on its own?
Any after-credits scenes or surprising "cameos"? No details or name dropping is necessary. Merely if you saw someone you didn't expect.
This movie can stand on it's own, for sure. However, it's setup so that sequels might happen.
Can't answer(Y)the (E) last (A) part of your(H) question though ;)
Many thanks bro. Im fired up now 😎
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 05, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
Many thanks bro. Im fired up now 😎
I can shoot down the after-credit scene now.
We didn't get anything ... hell, we didn't even get to see the credits roll ::)
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 05, 2018, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 05, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
Many thanks bro. Im fired up now 😎
I can shoot down the after-credit scene now.
We didn't get anything ... hell, we didn't even get to see the credits roll ::)
Thank you man! Silly question, but who was on this screening? I mean some internet and magazine reviewers?
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 05, 2018, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 05, 2018, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 05, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
Many thanks bro. Im fired up now 😎
I can shoot down the after-credit scene now.
We didn't get anything ... hell, we didn't even get to see the credits roll ::)
Thank you man! Silly question, but who was on this screening? I mean some internet and magazine reviewers?
If all goes well, Hicks should have his invitation now (or already saw the movie).
But yes, mainly the internet websites (press).
I was hoping there would be a cameo 😞
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
:o Oi! That's not a bad place to go see it. I hope you enjoy the movie ...
Out of curiousity, when did you receive your invite? Had to be last friday?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
Man that's so cool! :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
I expect a full report! Stat! ;-)
No, a rating (from 1 to 10) is enough of course. I am very curious. I remember you gave Alien Covenant a 6,5. Same as i did/do.
In how many hours you will watch the movie?
All i want to know, is if there are only fugitive and upgrade or are there more predators.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 05, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
Man that's so cool! :)
That's awesome for you both. I've always wondered how prolific one must be (like website owners, etc.) to be on the receiving end of one of those invitations.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 05, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
I was hoping there would be a cameo 😞
I didn't read that as a no...
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 05, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 05, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
Man that's so cool! :)
That's awesome for you both. I've always wondered how prolific one must be (like website owners, etc.) to be on the receiving end of one of those invitations.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 05, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
I was hoping there would be a cameo 😞
I didn't read that as a no...
yep, if it could have comeo, who it could be(probably Dutch, I wish to see Danny Glover again in predator universe), or what it could be(maybe just some more references to old movies))))
PS: by the way it's not a question, just out loud thoughts ;)
I'd imagine it probably being Dutch, but I would love for it to be Royce (who has miraculously found a way off the planet!) Harrigan of course is always appropriate :laugh:
Spoiler
But judging by what's been divulged to fans thus far, probably Dutch.
But didn't Arnold said he wasn't liking the scenario and he wanted a bigger part ? Maybe it was all done to lure people, but if that's the case... Damn, what it takes to keep some secrecy around something nowadays !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
You'll both tell me everything....
Stoked for the both of you though. Hopefully you can speak about it soon!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
Review it, please ...No pressure!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
RidgeTop and I are seeing the film tomorrow. He's at the Toronto premiere, I'm going to Fox's office to see it.
That is too cool! Hopefully you two enjoy it!
SyntaX, I kindly ask that when you embargo lifts, use the spoiler tag to reveal who that cameo is - if there is, in fact, a cameo ;) - 'cause I wanna keep coming to this thread to check on the reactions, but I don't wanna be spoiled regarding the cameo.
Actually, maybe a separate thread to discuss official spoilers from the final product is a good idea, keeping this one strictly to spoiler-free impressions.
Just received my invitation. Sept 12th. This the latest screening I've ever got.
It does make sense considering what SyntaX said tho, if they were still screening 2 different cuts and were still to choose which one gets the official release, Brazil would inevitably get a pretty late press screening 'cause that's gotta be with the final cut.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 05, 2018, 09:21:28 PM
SyntaX, I kindly ask that when you embargo lifts, use the spoiler tag to reveal who that cameo is - if there is, in fact, a cameo ;) - 'cause I wanna keep coming to this thread to check on the reactions, but I don't wanna be spoiled regarding the cameo.
Actually, maybe a separate thread to discuss official spoilers from the final product is a good idea, keeping this one strictly to spoiler-free impressions.
Just received my invitation. Sept 12th. This the latest screening I've ever got.
It does make sense considering what SyntaX said tho, if they were still screening 2 different cuts and were still to choose which one gets the official release, Brazil would inevitably get a pretty late press screening 'cause that's gotta be with the final cut.
The two different cuts have been clarified and I can confirm that the version I saw (and the version Hicks will see) is the final one. Once I have more (solid) information regarding the "other" version I'll post it here.
Mind you, studios usually send out multiple cuts of the movie in order to decide which one is received best by the general audience.
Don't worry about a cameo though ... there is none. There's name-dropping here and there but that's about it.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 06, 2018, 07:43:16 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 05, 2018, 09:21:28 PM
SyntaX, I kindly ask that when you embargo lifts, use the spoiler tag to reveal who that cameo is - if there is, in fact, a cameo ;) - 'cause I wanna keep coming to this thread to check on the reactions, but I don't wanna be spoiled regarding the cameo.
Actually, maybe a separate thread to discuss official spoilers from the final product is a good idea, keeping this one strictly to spoiler-free impressions.
Just received my invitation. Sept 12th. This the latest screening I've ever got.
It does make sense considering what SyntaX said tho, if they were still screening 2 different cuts and were still to choose which one gets the official release, Brazil would inevitably get a pretty late press screening 'cause that's gotta be with the final cut.
The two different cuts have been clarified and I can confirm that the version I saw (and the version Hicks will see) is the final one. Once I have more (solid) information regarding the "other" version I'll post it here.
Mind you, studios usually send out multiple cuts of the movie in order to decide which one is received best by the general audience.
Don't worry about a cameo though ... there is none. There's name-dropping here and there but that's about it.
THe only question i have is about " The Loonies " how are there interactions and are they memorable?
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 06, 2018, 07:47:48 AMTHe only question i have is about " The Loonies " how are there interactions and are they memorable?
What makes characters memorable? The "Loonies" do their job.. and they do it well. It works onscreen.
Difficult question to answer ... because it all comes down to personal preference.
The movie Predator "stuck" with us because it was original. It had Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch but I wouldn't really call his character memorable. The ONLY thing that was memorable was the Predator itself.
Out of your personal conjecture, do you think this movie is exciting enough as an experience to get good word-to-mouth so people will see it?
just something to consider regarding the embargo
https://twitter.com/GroweDevon/status/1037450470703296512
Quote from: von on Sep 06, 2018, 08:11:49 AM
just something to consider regarding the embargo
https://twitter.com/GroweDevon/status/1037450470703296512
My embargo lifts after the 8th (so I can talk about it more freely on september 9th).
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 06, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Out of your personal conjecture, do you think this movie is exciting enough as an experience to get good word-to-mouth so people will see it?
The Predator isn't a big Hollywood tentpole movie. It relies on the name of the brand (Predator) and good word-to-mouth. That being said; nobody was complaining after my screening was over. Sure, there where some : "... but why did he do this?" or "... why did he do that?" things going on ... but it was nowhere near Alien Covenant level of stupidity. ;D
Great. Still can't believe I'll only get to see it one day before it releases here. Ah, at least the very next day I'll be right back at the theater taking my friends to see it. :D
I'm on my way into London. I'll be seeing it in 2 hours or so.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 09:06:12 AM
I'm on my way into London. I'll be seeing it in 2 hours or so.
good luck & enjoy! bring home the good news!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 09:06:12 AMI'm on my way into London. I'll be seeing it in 2 hours or so.
Great! 8)
And...
Predator - ?/10
Predator 2 - ?/10
Predators - 4/5
The Predator - loading...
AvP - ?/10
AvP:R - ?/10
;)
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 06, 2018, 07:53:11 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 06, 2018, 07:47:48 AMTHe only question i have is about " The Loonies " how are there interactions and are they memorable?
What makes characters memorable? The "Loonies" do their job.. and they do it well. It works onscreen.
Difficult question to answer ... because it all comes down to personal preference.
The movie Predator "stuck" with us because it was original. It had Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch but I wouldn't really call his character memorable. The ONLY thing that was memorable was the Predator itself.
There's more to the film than that, but the way the Predator was presented caused a lot of it's popularity. Most comics weren't about Dutch or his brother at all, but put a new predator against a new human prey.
And some make very entertaining reading even if it is all just variation on the same principle.
oh well while some of you lucky poeple are off to screenings I will be off to see the original Predator tomorrow night playing in some cinemas around town already have my ticket! Sadly i havent heard any advanced screenings here in NZ yet..keeping my eyes open!!
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 06, 2018, 08:16:14 AM
Great. Still can't believe I'll only get to see it one day before it releases here. Ah, at least the very next day I'll be right back at the theater taking my friends to see it. :D
If I like it enough..ill be walking right into the very next session as well!!! not long to go now!!
Quote from: andreaNZ on Sep 06, 2018, 10:58:11 AM
oh well while some of you lucky poeple are off to screenings I will be off to see the original Predator tomorrow night playing in some cinemas around town already have my ticket! Sadly i havent heard any advanced screenings here in NZ yet..keeping my eyes open!!
We've got advanced screenings on Wednesday 12th here in Australia ;D
Dammit. :-) The screening should be done around this time. Hopefully Corporal Hicks will let us know very soon!
Hicks, don't forget to give us your ranking after seeing this movie.
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator
Predators
Avp
Avpr
Quote from: 343 on Sep 06, 2018, 01:45:54 PM
Dammit. :-) The screening should be done around this time. Hopefully Corporal Hicks will let us know very soon!
If he's under N.D.A, he will tell you as much as me :-)
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 06, 2018, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: 343 on Sep 06, 2018, 01:45:54 PM
Dammit. :-) The screening should be done around this time. Hopefully Corporal Hicks will let us know very soon!
If he's under N.D.A, he will tell you as much as me :-)
yehh, but at least if he likes it we would have 2 people on the Forum who saw it and liked it ;D
Yeah, don't expect to hear spoilers or details. Just want his opinion about the quality of the movie. You (SyntaX) gave it an 8 out of 10.
Now i would like to hear his rating. :-)
Good to see a really positive review. Sounds like another good Shane Black movie with bad trailers (although the last one was much better) if it's really as good as SyntaX is saying, I'm hyped now.
Hope this one has good rewatch value...which predators(2010) lacked!
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Well ... you guys are in for a treat ;D
It's nowhere near Predator (honestly, what can top that one) .. but it's a MUCH better than Predator 2 and Predators. Some great humor, some really gory bits and some suprises spread out in the movie that will certainly catch the attention of those who are "invested" in this franchise.
My rating? 8/10
Unfortunatly, I have to wait till everyone else untill this thing hits cinema's again. Strange thing is ... I apparently saw an "assembly" cut of the movie. Studio's are screening the movies to critics and they will pick out the version which gets the most praise. Effects, music etc. was all done btw ...
EDIT
I'd love to answer the questions fired at me in this topic ... but I CAN NOT (and will not) go into detail regarding this movie. You can ask me anything you'd like after september 8th due to my NDA.
How were the performances in terms of any standouts, compared to Predator which basically every character had their own standout moment?
Much better than Predator 2 yeah right... seriously doubt that. The designs alone look nowhere near as good.
Urgh. I've only just got home. Journey usually takes me 2 hours. Took me 5 today. So I'm in a pretty foul mood. I've gotta start working on my actual review.
I'm under NDA but I will say (and this is all until tomorrow) is that I really really enjoyed. I was actually crying with laughter at one point. However, there were 2 big things I didn't like.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Urgh. I've only just got home. Journey usually takes me 2 hours. Took me 5 today. So I'm in a pretty foul mood. I've gotta start working on my actual review.
I'm under NDA but I will say (and this is all until tomorrow) is that I really really enjoyed. I was actually crying with laughter at one point. However, there were 2 things I didn't like.
Good to hear. Really excited for the reviews to start coming through tomorrow. Early buzz is pointing towards positive.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Urgh. I've only just got home. Journey usually takes me 2 hours. Took me 5 today. So I'm in a pretty foul mood. I've gotta start working on my actual review.
I'm under NDA but I will say (and this is all until tomorrow) is that I really really enjoyed. I was actually crying with laughter at one point. However, there were 2 things I didn't like.
Glad you really enjoyed it overall! Looking forward to your review.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Urgh. I've only just got home. Journey usually takes me 2 hours. Took me 5 today. So I'm in a pretty foul mood. I've gotta start working on my actual review.
I'm under NDA but I will say (and this is all until tomorrow) is that I really really enjoyed. I was actually crying with laughter at one point. However, there were 2 big things I didn't like.
On a scale from 1 (worst) to 10 (best)...what point do you give the movie, CH?
I'm not going to say anything more as I'm still seething. Need to calm down, get some grub in me and think on the film. All will be explained tomorrow.
But keep an eye on the socials. Hopefully RidgeTop gets some good stuff from the red carpet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
However, there were 2 big things I didn't like.
These 2 things were in the leaked script also or were they new elements?
Cheers for managing to come on and share something, hopefully when you say two big things you didn't like you aren't referring to the two main creatures (it's ok to dislike the dogs though) 😃
Don't let the long travel ruin your review Hicks! :laugh:
In all seriousness, 5 hour travel sounds awful. At least you got to see the film early. You did the site a service, sir.
Can't wait for the review. About the sex offender thing - the movie doesn't seem to catch a break.
I will be happy if its not covenant level, that movie gave me mental diahrrea
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 04, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Well ... you guys are in for a treat ;D
It's nowhere near Predator (honestly, what can top that one) .. but it's a MUCH better than Predator 2 and Predators. Some great humor, some really gory bits and some suprises spread out in the movie that will certainly catch the attention of those who are "invested" in this franchise.
My rating? 8/10
Unfortunatly, I have to wait till everyone else untill this thing hits cinema's again. Strange thing is ... I apparently saw an "assembly" cut of the movie. Studio's are screening the movies to critics and they will pick out the version which gets the most praise. Effects, music etc. was all done btw ...
Better than Predator 2? I find that hard to believe honestly, everything i saw so far looked and sounded worse, but we will see.
Glad to hear there are surprises because i feel like we saw the whole movie alread, and gore, we dont get mainstream gory movies anymore. Not a fan of the "witty quips"/humor of Shane thought.
That "lets screen several versions and the one that liked more is the one released" attitude by suit people is something that i hate, they should stick to just do a good movie and release it. Doing the screenings is what gave us Suicide Squad by example.
Thanks for your comment, i will be waiting for your full review :D
Its hard to believe for me that this is gonna be better than pred 2, the design itself, city hunter design is miles away for the generic designs this movie has.
And the final elder scene is epic, i doubt a cgi 10 feet generic modern monster can beat that..
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 06, 2018, 10:59:06 PM
Its hard to believe for me that this is gonna be better than pred 2, the design itself, city hunter design is miles away for the generic designs this movie has.
And the final elder scene is epic, i doubt a cgi 10 feet generic modern monster can beat that..
It's all subjective though. Not everyone loves Predator 2, some will like The Predator more, some won't. I enjoy P2 but it's not great and The Predator could be better or at least more fun to rewatch over time.
Personally I like the designs of the Predator's in all the movies. I think the Fugitive looks great with a cool mask and armor design, far from generic and even the upgrade looks decent.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 06, 2018, 07:42:05 PM
At least you got to see the film early. You did the site a service, sir.
I would have gladly filled in that spot for him... just sayinnn. ;)
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 06, 2018, 10:59:06 PM
Its hard to believe for me that this is gonna be better than pred 2, the design itself, city hunter design is miles away for the generic designs this movie has.
And the final elder scene is epic, i doubt a cgi 10 feet generic modern monster can beat that..
Nothin beats Pred 2.
Premiere starts in a bit more than 30 minutes. Reactions will be online in a little over two hours most likely! So excited.
Let's keep the TIFF reactions coming! Starting things off:
https://twitter.com/onlysaysficus/status/1037946142636613632 (https://twitter.com/onlysaysficus/status/1037946142636613632)
https://twitter.com/jdonbirnam/status/1037947629156556801?s=21 (https://twitter.com/jdonbirnam/status/1037947629156556801?s=21)
https://twitter.com/smashtraves/status/1037946025099517952
https://twitter.com/JackDignanFilms/status/1037946216984731648
https://twitter.com/cevangelista413/status/1037946220034109440
https://twitter.com/smashtraves/status/1037946429078089734
https://twitter.com/smashtraves/status/1037946929752096768
Leaning towards positive so far. General consensus seems to be that it's a good time but perhaps a bit silly.
https://twitter.com/JonathanBarkan/status/1037949091806937088
https://twitter.com/BillyArundell/status/1037953287251611649
https://twitter.com/EzraCubero/status/1037953777016262656
Looks like the 3rd act might not work as well as they had hoped with the reshoots.
The first negative:
https://twitter.com/EzraCubero/status/1037953777016262656
I'm not inclined to take seriously any complaints about "silliness" in a movie that's a sequel to the one where Jesse Ventura says he's a "goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus". ;)
If anything, silly is a quality here.
Silly is fine with me, the franchise was born from 80s cheese. With Black at the helm I expected some cheesy jokes anyways, his humor is unique though. The common praise is going towards the cast, gore, and humor. Some have mentioned oddly edited action which worries me but others say it's got good action. These twitter reactions are always hard to go off of!
Also it appears that they're is either a mid or post credits scene. Two people have referenced a coda.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 06:45:33 AM
Silly is fine with me, the franchise was born from 80s cheese. With Black at the helm I expected some cheesy jokes anyways, his humor is unique though. The common praise is going towards the cast, gore, and humor. Some have mentioned oddly edited action which worries me but others say it's got good action. These twitter reactions are always hard to go off of!
Yeah and I mean... This is the stuff that will always fall heavily on the realm of subjectivity. You'd think that editing, being a "technical" thing, would be more objective, but it's really not. Unless it's absolutely horrid, which I don't think is the case here.
He's actually hit on an issue I had with it here. But it doesn't fuss him.
Not so much love here.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnajlBflSMe/?taken-by=awards_predix
https://letterboxd.com/nova_scoshi/film/the-predator/
"The triumphant and long overdue return of the greatness that is Black and Dekker." 4.5/5
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 06:58:38 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THE PREDATOR: A lean, mean, brutal movie that somehow feels like bothva throwback and fresh. Great cast. Fantastic pacing. This is art?</p>— Brian Tallerico (@Brian_Tallerico) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brian_Tallerico/status/1037948774088208385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He's actually hit on an issue I had with it here. But it doesn't fuss him.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Predator is f**king trash guys</p>— 𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙖𝙝 (@goodjobliz) <a href="https://twitter.com/goodjobliz/status/1037947358783385600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Not so much love here.
Just a sour woman, which you see so many the last couple of sjw-years, taking things waaaaay to seriously.
https://twitter.com/goodjobliz/status/1037956864607182848
Looks like this is yet another film that I'm gonna have to defend with my teeth. Well, it's Black, so I really shouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:09:40 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THE PREDATOR feels as if left in a time capsule since the early 90s in the best possible way. Nasty, whip smart and the sort of violent that forces a muffled giggle. It's a true Shane Black film.</p>— Thomas Harris (@thomasdharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/thomasdharris/status/1037959024296251393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sounds good. When can we ( the people) can expect a word from you Boss? I'm waiting for your voice then I going dark.
Embargo ends in 2 hours. After then.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:15:49 AM
Embargo ends in 2 hours. After then.
Wait ... what!? I can start talking about it on september 8th ... :-\
It's going to be full review or you impression? I don't want to see full review with spoilers etc.
I'm going to try to avoid spoilers but one of my major issues is a spoiler. I'll try to do a tl:dr version on here that gets it across fair but without giving away too much detail.
first mention of the score
https://twitter.com/DougJones100/status/1037949674617954304 (https://twitter.com/DougJones100/status/1037949674617954304)
https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1037947161558872064 (https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1037947161558872064)
https://twitter.com/THEJAMlEROGERS/status/1037953970981888000 (https://twitter.com/THEJAMlEROGERS/status/1037953970981888000)
https://twitter.com/6BenHarrison/status/1037954162296868864 (https://twitter.com/6BenHarrison/status/1037954162296868864)
https://twitter.com/DailyDeadNews/status/1037954849592115200 (https://twitter.com/DailyDeadNews/status/1037954849592115200)
https://twitter.com/EriktheMovieman/status/1037951752237010944
https://twitter.com/AADowd/status/1037955607293120512
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:26:32 AM
I'm going to try to avoid spoilers but one of my major issues is a spoiler. I'll try to do a tl:dr version on here that gets it across fair but without giving away too much detail.
Is it major game/canon changer? Like stupid as hell invasion theme?
Quote from: Master on Sep 07, 2018, 07:31:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:26:32 AM
I'm going to try to avoid spoilers but one of my major issues is a spoiler. I'll try to do a tl:dr version on here that gets it across fair but without giving away too much detail.
Is it major game/canon changer? Like stupid as hell invasion theme?
4 in 5 reactions seem to be positive. good signs!
something for you Master since you're on the topic of alien invasion XD
https://twitter.com/alkerton/status/1037951918654541825
Quote from: Master on Sep 07, 2018, 07:31:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:26:32 AM
I'm going to try to avoid spoilers but one of my major issues is a spoiler. I'll try to do a tl:dr version on here that gets it across fair but without giving away too much detail.
Is it major game/canon changer? Like stupid as hell invasion theme?
Ehhh...more tone related but lore implications.
Oh crap...
Sounds like one of the problems will be the comedy, if you want a more serious movie or not. I'm fine with the comedy myself but it might be an issue for some.
Good to see more positive comments though, cannot wait to see it next week.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 07, 2018, 07:38:26 AM
Sounds like one of the problems will be the comedy, if you want a more serious movie or not. I'm fine with the comedy myself but it might be an issue for some.
Good to see more positive comments though, cannot wait to see it next week.
I actually loved the comedy. Was one of the things that made it really enjoyable. The folk who decided they didn't want comedy in way before hand wont like it though.
I always considered the original movie a dark comedy. As long as the humor fits the picture, I'm perfectly fine with tons of humor.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:34:21 AMEhhh...more tone related but lore implications.
This...
People who go into this movie expecting another Predator 1 "feeling" and tone are going to be disappointed.
I've been in the mindset that I want it to be the funniest film Shane could possibly make. If he's the one directing and writing it, then he better show it to me. I just don't care. None of the Predator films ever were serious experiences for me - even if I was scared of them as a kid, when I actually sat to watch them, I loved to laugh with them. And Shane's type of humor is just my favorite, so that is exactly what I want from this.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 07:42:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:34:21 AMEhhh...more tone related but lore implications.
This...
People who go into this movie expecting another Predator 1 "feeling" and tone are going to be disappointed.
I have to admit, I'm genuinely surprised at the early positive reactions. Makes a Predator fan feel warm and fuzzy on the inside. I'll be going in with no expectation. I skipped the trailers and most of the promotional stuff in general. All I know is that it's going to be have tons of jokes.
Tide seems to be turning more to the positive side. I'm thinking 70-something% on RT.
This movie is gonna fail I'm sorry if not break even. Just based off the trailers and marking and leaked script. This movie was f'd since the start. Shane went too far left field. I'm not sold on the upgrade pred it's a cheap bigger is better trope might as well be tbe indo predator and obviously kills the fugitive why hype him up so much only for him to get one off??? The cast is so so. The comedy is not landing with me. And if that kid has some kind of major factor in this film like the leaked script implies it's either going to bomb or just break even and honestly I'd rather they just stop making Predator movies at this point and stick to comics games novels etc. I dont plan on seeing this either and I love predator. But this movie failed too intrest me
^^ I'm agreeing with this.
seems like a stronger lead would have benefited the movie. not much mention of him apart from this ^ holbrook being outshone by his co-stars?
I like what i'm hearing, fun is exactly what i want and what was missing from Predators 2010. I don't want no grim homage fest. I hope this movie goes batshit crazy like Predator 2.
Black has obviously went too far with the comedy aspect. The original was funny but to a minor extent and only in the first half before Dutch's squad started to be picked off. The few jokes in and between all worked because they were expertly timed and executed. Black's movie reduces the predator to being a "punchline"and not a serious threat as one review said. The overblown humor was a problem ever since the first advanced reactions hit last year. Too bad they didn't take the predator concept more seriously.
This is the part where I remind you folks that the original Predator wasn't anywhere near being the critics' sweetheart when it first came out. ;)
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
This is the part where I remind you folks that the original Predator wasn't anywhere near being the critics' sweetheart when it first came out. ;)
Let's be honest. The plot is thin, the story isn't that great ... it's the supsense, action and element of suprise that makes Predator 1 work.
Nowadays, people want to be suprised ... and that's a damn hard thing to do.
what ultimately matters is the rewatch value and timelessness. will the characters and new creatures stand the test of time? i've forgotten the names of the characters in Predators 2010
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
what ultimately matters is the rewatch value and timelessness. will the characters and new creatures stand the test of time? i've forgotten the names of the characters in Predators 2010
I actually enjoyed Predators ... And applaud them for trying something different. We got different looking Predators and that was great. Tried to freshen things up.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:09:47 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
what ultimately matters is the rewatch value and timelessness. will the characters and new creatures stand the test of time? i've forgotten the names of the characters in Predators 2010
I actually enjoyed Predators ... And applaud them for trying something different. We got different looking Predators and that was great. Tried to freshen things up.
cool, has The Predator done better in your opinion? in those same areas you mentioned
They never really mention each others names except royce, isabell, nekoli the Russian and nolan, and honzo. I actually loved predators too the super predator were more appealing and unique to me than this cgi hulk predator imo
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:09:47 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
what ultimately matters is the rewatch value and timelessness. will the characters and new creatures stand the test of time? i've forgotten the names of the characters in Predators 2010
I actually enjoyed Predators ... And applaud them for trying something different. We got different looking Predators and that was great. Tried to freshen things up.
cool, has The Predator done better in your opinion? in those same areas you mentioned
Like I said before ... yes and no.
Doesnt matter whatever the reviews are.
Eagerly waitig to watch on the 1st day, 1st show itself in IMAX :-)
To be fair most of the characters in Predators don't have their names mentioned in the film, so that can't be held against it. :D
I really enjoy that movie and its characters too.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 07:39:48 AM
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 07, 2018, 07:38:26 AM
Sounds like one of the problems will be the comedy, if you want a more serious movie or not. I'm fine with the comedy myself but it might be an issue for some.
Good to see more positive comments though, cannot wait to see it next week.
I actually loved the comedy. Was one of the things that made it really enjoyable. The folk who decided they didn't want comedy in way before hand wont like it though.
Good to know the comedy is decent for those not against it in a Predator movie.
From those reviews I'd say this movie is going to be right up my alley. An late 80's, early 90's action spectacle.
When sensitive reviewers don't like a movie is when I go oh hell yea.
Fun was something that was lacking in AVP, AVPR and Predators. I'm all for a fun over-the-top sci-fi movie.
Everything is too serious these days.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Fun was something that was lacking in AVP, AVPR and Predators. I'm all for a fun over-the-top sci-fi movie.
Everything is too serious these days.
same here. would rather have a "too much humor" reaction as opposed to "took itself too seriously"
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Fun was something that was lacking in AVP, AVPR and Predators. I'm all for a fun over-the-top sci-fi movie.
Everything is too serious these days.
That's not the problem. The problem is that everything has been done before. Nothing is new, nothing is suprising.
Take a look at The Force Awakens. It was a rehash of Episode IV but it was a great movie for me. The Last Jedi absolutely destroyed my inner Star Wars fanboy. It was terrible.
The same goes for Predator. Predator 1 will remain my favorite because it was awesome when I first saw it. Predator 2 felt off, but I can enjoy the movie. Predators was good too ... because it tried to show us different tribes of Predators.
It's pretty much certain that Predator 2 will remain the best sequel. Black's film has the potential to a be fun but flawed lighthearted film with some nice action and memorable characters but not much else. I definitely lowered my expectations for this one.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:48:55 AM
It's pretty much certain that Predator 2 will remain the best sequel. Black's film has the potential to a be fun but flawed lighthearted film with some nice action and memorable characters but not much else. I definitely lowered my expectations for this one.
Eh ... Predator 2 was mediocre but enjoyable.
The Predator is much better than P2. That's for sure.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 07, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
From those reviews I'd say this movie is going to be right up my alley. An late 80's, early 90's action spectacle.
When sensitive reviewers don't like a movie is when I go oh hell yea.
100% with you there. ;)
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:48:55 AM
It's pretty much certain that Predator 2 will remain the best sequel. Black's film has the potential to a be fun but flawed lighthearted film with some nice action and memorable characters but not much else. I definitely lowered my expectations for this one.
Eh ... Predator 2 was mediocre but enjoyable.
The Predator is much better than P2. That's for sure.
Not to argue but you simply can't do better then P2. It's cult classic and has nostalgia train attached to it. For me it's in top ten of the best sequels ever made, next to Aliens, Terminator 2: The Judgement Day, Empire Strikes Back and God Father Part II. You can't do better, but you might get close.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:48:55 AM
It's pretty much certain that Predator 2 will remain the best sequel. Black's film has the potential to a be fun but flawed lighthearted film with some nice action and memorable characters but not much else. I definitely lowered my expectations for this one.
Eh ... Predator 2 was mediocre but enjoyable.
The Predator is much better than P2. That's for sure.
I seriously doubt that, P2 is a badass worthy sequel
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Fun was something that was lacking in AVP, AVPR and Predators. I'm all for a fun over-the-top sci-fi movie.
Everything is too serious these days.
That's not the problem. The problem is that everything has been done before. Nothing is new, nothing is suprising.
Take a look at The Force Awakens. It was a rehash of Episode IV but it was a great movie for me. The Last Jedi absolutely destroyed my inner Star Wars fanboy. It was terrible.
The same goes for Predator. Predator 1 will remain my favorite because it was awesome when I first saw it. Predator 2 felt off, but I can enjoy the movie. Predators was good too ... because it tried to show us different tribes of Predators.
Predators wasn't a bad movie, it just wasn't very good. It sits somewhere in the middle for me and has no rewatch value at all (IMO). A worst a movie can be is just MEH! Atleast AVPR is so bad it's good. I'd rather watch Wolf goof around for 90 minutes because for me it's 'fun'.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:48:55 AM
It's pretty much certain that Predator 2 will remain the best sequel. Black's film has the potential to a be fun but flawed lighthearted film with some nice action and memorable characters but not much else. I definitely lowered my expectations for this one.
Eh ... Predator 2 was mediocre but enjoyable.
The Predator is much better than P2. That's for sure.
I seriously doubt that, P2 is a badass worthy sequel
Yep. P2 is a far better film than Predators.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Fun was something that was lacking in AVP, AVPR and Predators. I'm all for a fun over-the-top sci-fi movie.
Everything is too serious these days.
That's not the problem. The problem is that everything has been done before. Nothing is new, nothing is suprising.
Take a look at The Force Awakens. It was a rehash of Episode IV but it was a great movie for me. The Last Jedi absolutely destroyed my inner Star Wars fanboy. It was terrible.
The same goes for Predator. Predator 1 will remain my favorite because it was awesome when I first saw it. Predator 2 felt off, but I can enjoy the movie. Predators was good too ... because it tried to show us different tribes of Predators.
Predators wasn't a bad movie, it just wasn't very good. It sits somewhere in the middle for me and has no rewatch value at all (IMO). A worst a movie can be is just MEH! Atleast AVPR is so bad it's good. I'd rather watch Wolf goof around for 90 minutes because for me it's 'fun'.
Predators is the definition of a mediocre movie- its just serviceable, very generic. They tried to introduce a new bred of badass predators but they seemed inferior to the normal ones. The predator from the first movie will massacre the three super ones no problem. Laurence Fisberne who played Noland had too much fat for a guy stranded on an alien planet for ten years too.
Well it is all a matter of opinion.
Were the reshoots apparent in the movie? Does Woodhurst show up?
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 07, 2018, 09:30:03 AM
Were the reshoots apparent in the movie? Does Woodhurst show up?
Reshoots are apparent, yes.
Woodhurst? No.
SyntaX
What about score Henry Jackman?
Something new or nostalgic?
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 07, 2018, 09:48:57 AM
SyntaX
What about score Henry Jackman?
Something new or nostalgic?
Both.
Any references to the AvP movies or any cameos?
Only two predators?
Quote from: Master on Sep 07, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
Only two predators?
I'm joining to this question.
Any footage of other Predators than Fugitive and Assassin?
A simple yes or no is enough. ;)
no
there is no footage of other predators. it is just the fugitive and upgrade
So based on Mr.H`s review i think i would enjoy it very much - i could always ignore any movie ending and pretend that it didn`t happen if it bothers me that much.
I had the same reservations about the movie - leaked script ,direction, kid, too much humor ,etc, but if all of this is well executed and it`s working i could really ignore the ending. Don`t know if it seems strange to you, but ...
My biggest concern would be if it doesn`t have any tension/horror moments ....not a problem if it`s 70/30 comeddy/thriller/horror ,but just not full out comedy with gore.
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:31:32 AM
there is no footage of other predators. it is just the fugitive and upgrade
As I expected.
Thanks for your answer. :)
So the 'ending twist' is something else. No other Predators, no cameo.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:36:03 AMSo the 'ending twist' is something else. No other Predators, no cameo.
Eh ... well .. Uh ... not quite.
Spoilers within:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rgQkK6590 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rgQkK6590)
Apparently ending is horrible but I still want to see it.
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Thanks for the reviews and information guys.
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:36:03 AMSo the 'ending twist' is something else. No other Predators, no cameo.
Eh ... well .. Uh ... not quite.
Half-cameo maybe? ;D ;D
One more question... Does Traeger use his shoulder plasma cannon? Or he just...wears it for the cool factor?
Ironman Ironman does what ever a predator can
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:36:03 AMSo the 'ending twist' is something else. No other Predators, no cameo.
Eh ... well .. Uh ... not quite.
Half-cameo maybe? ;D ;D
One more question... Does Traeger use his shoulder plasma cannon? Or he just...wears it for the cool factor?
He does. It was cool.
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Really that bad of an ending to ruin the whole thing or just disappointing ?
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Hopefully we'll get access to the deleted material on the Bluray extras and see the original ending that was on the script. I'm really not on board with what you described, who the hell thought that was a good idea?
It seems from reviews that Traeger is the stand out Character. i know it's a spoiler question, but do He or any of the Loonies survive?
Now that the movie is coming out, is there any chance that we can read the leaked script?
Jeesh how to screw your own movie over... I'll see it when it comes out digitally.
I wanna see it with my partner but I'm sure she won't be impressed with vagina and blowjob jokes.
Cant wait to see this next week
Quote from: NiceGuy on Sep 07, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
Now that the movie is coming out, is there any chance that we can read the leaked script?
Give it a few weeks and we'll post it.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 07, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Really that bad of an ending to ruin the whole thing or just disappointing ?
Yeah. I f**king hated it so much.
The ending sounds absolutely f**king terrible....like horrendously so bad I almost don't want to see it now
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 10:36:03 AMSo the 'ending twist' is something else. No other Predators, no cameo.
Eh ... well .. Uh ... not quite.
Half-cameo maybe? ;D ;D
One more question... Does Traeger use his shoulder plasma cannon? Or he just...wears it for the cool factor?
He does. It was cool.
Check NECA The Predator thered Boss.
One last question The Predator ?/10 ?
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Ok, here goes; I can finally state something about different versions of
The Predator ... and o boy, are they different.
My friend works in the movie industry and has been doing so for quite some while. No, I can not tell you who he is or where he works. I can just tell you that ... well, he knows people.
MIND YOU GUYS! I AM STILL PIECING TOGETHER ALL INFORMATIONLate in
July, my friend got asked to watch an assembly cut (rough cut) of the movie. He told me that this version did contain some bits and pieces about the Friendly Predators and
why the actually help us out. Unfortunatly, they do not get named in the
final version. Not only that, but the start and ending of the movie plays out very differently (presumably due to the third act reshoots).
I'll start with the - assembly cut version first ... and add things from the (final) movie below 'em.
SPOILERS!Spoiler
- The Fugitve is onboard a ship enroute to an unknown planet carrying the Assassin
This plays out a bit different in the final movie, as the Fugitive and Assasin are NOT on the same ship.
It is never explained in the assembly cut WHY the Assassin is on his ship. He's just ... there...
- They are also carrying an unknown device onboard.
The final movie only depicts the Fugitive with this device onboard his ship.
- The device onboard was something that could influece a planets atmosphere to make a planet inhabitable for the Predator species.
There is NO indication of a suit of armor. Hell, there's even a QUOTE in the Assembly Cut stating the following;
"You ever seen Superman? The scene where he fights this squid lookin' thing that are trying to bring one planets atmosphere to another? Well ... here it is".
- The Fugitive has 2 comrades with him.
They are NOT present in the final product.
Another interesting note is the McKenna vs Fugitive scene;
Assembly Cut
- During this, McKenna is send out (along with his team, not the Loonies) to investigate the crashed ship. Once he's there, he has NO clue (apparently it's Alien Covenant level of stupidity) that his men are getting picked off one-by-one. He stumbles and is looking at one out-cold Predator (bloodied, no mask) and says : "What kind of ugly motherf**ker are you!?". When he's on his feet, he notices a reflection at one of the trees... It's a cloaked Predator. By the time McKenna realizes he is alone (yes, the Fugitive wiped his team) ... there's an explosion, which knocks him out cold and he lands next to another Predator before passing out. This scene, according to my friend, shows three Predators. Later, during a scene in Stargazer it is stated that : "We managed to break two of 'em ... however, this one is one tough bitch ... some sort of elite".. There are some scenes with the Friendly Predators in the assembly cut ... we've all seen the APC version, we've seen them walking around next to humans ... but this got scrapped in the Final Version. Which, to me, is a good thing. It bordered on AvP level of absurdity.
The Assassin was never ment to hunt down the Fugitive. He was ment to be put on a planet in order to be hunted (judgement, so to speak).
The Suit of Armor was NEVER mentioned/shown in the assembly cut. The movie ends with the remaining characters killing off the Assassin ... picking there shit together and leaving the forrest.
There's alot more information that I have to piece together but I'll do that once I see the movie again this Sunday. It seems that the start of the movie and the third act suffers from these reshoots.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 11:10:21 AM
Quote from: NiceGuy on Sep 07, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
Now that the movie is coming out, is there any chance that we can read the leaked script?
Give it a few weeks and we'll post it.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 07, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
yeah I released that review, non spoilers at the start, then a warning and go into heavy spoilers.
I have to reiterate, I loved ninety percent of the movie though. the ending, just ruined it for me
Really that bad of an ending to ruin the whole thing or just disappointing ?
Yeah. I f**king hated it so much.
Damn. Hopefully the rest of the movie will be fun and won't make me feel the same.
You might not be able to answer this without spoilers but is it because it the ending leaves things unresolved for a sequel (that now might not happen with the Disney situation) or does it feel like a complete movie, crappy ending and all.
Den of Geek hated it. Gave it one star.
Not that that's going to stop anyone from seeing it. I hope its awesome.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 11:10:21 AM
Yeah. I f**king hated it so much.
What kind of ending could it be?
Will you write it in your review...of course under spoiler alert?
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 07, 2018, 11:20:50 AM
What kind of ending could it be?
Will you write it in your review...of course under spoiler alert?
Think of the most wonkiest ending every. Multiply it by ...20 ... then do a 180.
Then you'll have the Predator's ending
f**k. That`s much more then I wanted to know. I`m out guys, see you after 22.09 !
Oh god what Hicks is saying about the ending is giving me nausea. It sounds bad...I must know.
Does it ruin the Predator creature forever?
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 07, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
Think of the most wonkiest ending every. Multiply it by ...20 ... then do a 180.
Then you'll have the Predator's ending
I have read your description in the spoiler.
That's just...what? That's all the film's ending? :(
What is with all this talk about a crap ending... just how bad could it be. Does the predator's wrist band alarm clock go off and then an image of his wife appears as a hologram and she is nagging him to get home and take out the trash? Or that he dosen't spend enough time with the kids. I mean what the hell is it? No-NO. Just kidding, I do not want too know. BUT it can't be that bad, after a week or two. Sometimes you've just gotta let it set in.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 07, 2018, 11:36:32 AM
What is with all this talk about a crap ending... just how bad could it be. Does the predator's wrist band alarm clock go off and then an image of his wife appears as a hologram and she is nagging him to get home and take out the trash? Or that he dosen't spend enough time with the kids. I mean what the hell is it? No-NO. Just kidding, I do not want too know. BUT it can't be that bad, after a week or two. Sometimes you've just gotta let it set in.
Thought you said you hadn't read any spoilers?
There is a spoiler review on youtube spoiling the ending - it's f**kin horrible,truly dread man....
How bad can the ending be? I'm intrigued to see it now.
Is there a mid or post credits scene?
Who the hell makes up this stuff... bet it looks even worse than it sounds
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
There is a spoiler review on youtube spoiling the ending - it's f**kin horrible,truly dread man....
yup, that would be my review.
here you go.
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
There is a spoiler review on youtube spoiling the ending - it's f**kin horrible,truly dread man....
yup, that would be my review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rgQkK6590
here you go.
Yeah, nice review. I will watch it cause its Predator and all but my expectations are extremely lowered. Sadly I think this will underperform (not flop) and we'll have to wait for a sequel another ten years.
It's not as bad as David making the Alien, but damm the ending sounds cringey as f**k, they sure do seem desperate to resort to crap like that. The movies have went full retard, that's what the comics used to be a long time ago, the movies are the new EU. And the EU now is the one with some sense to it. We are f**king doomed brah.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:20:24 PM
we'll have to wait for a sequel another ten years.
Maybe it's for the best, better a unrelated predator sequel 10 years into the future than a sequel to the this movie following that ending.
Yeah i was about to say that if i can survive David's bullshit creation stuff, i can survive anything !
So basically all our concerns have been realised. I knew this film was going to be a mess. What's the point in watching a film only for the ending to ruin everything up to that point. If early reviews are like warm, I think this film is going to bomb at the box office. SAY GOODBYE TO PREDATOR FOR 20 YEARS! Disney will be looking at this like a hawk. I'm going to wait for my fellow predator fans to pass judgment before I watch it. I'm not ruining what predator is to me.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-predator-2018 (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-predator-2018)
Slightly more positive review.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
So basically all our concerns have been realised. I knew this film was going to be a mess. What's the point in watching a film only for the ending to ruin everything up to that point. If early reviews are like warm, I think this film is going to bomb at the box office. SAY GOODBYE TO PREDATOR FOR 20 YEARS! Disney will be looking at this like a hawk. I'm going to wait for my fellow predator fans to pass judgment before I watch it. I'm not ruining what predator is to me.
Are you going to watch it ?)
So after months of reshoots and test-screenings, they selected an ending that is outrageous?
Maybe it worked well for the test-screening crowd but doesn't make sense for the fans?
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 07, 2018, 12:59:54 PM
Maybe it worked well for the test-screening crowd but doesn't make sense for the fans?
It does seems like it will work well for kids who like super hero movies. How many predator fans are left at this point? We are too few for Fox/Disney to care.
Yeah I also find it weird the ending is super whack, unless it sets something up. I mean not every movie has to have an OMG ending.
Is Pepper Pots inside the Predator suit. That's my limit.
( no seriously don't tell me).
Azamultic... After watching mr H review on it... absolutely not, infact the ending is that out there and dreadful I think we should all boycott the damn thing. I don't want to throw in spoilers, so I'll keep my mouth shut. But that quite possibly is the final bail in the coffin for the franchise. Just want to say politely and honestly, "f@ck you fox and black for ruining my favourite character of all time, with your marvel wannabe unimaginative bullshit" really sorry but that ending is even worst than the idea of friendly predators, or the dodgy leaked script. How on earth did they think that was going to work? So much for all you idiots saying Shane black is better than Nolan. At least all his films know what they are. Just quit Shane black. You have ruined the franchise job well done ! 👍
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
It's not as bad as David making the Alien, but damm the ending sounds cringey as f**k, they sure do seem desperate to resort to crap like that. The movies have went full retard, that's what the comics used to be a long time ago, the movies are the new EU. And the EU now is the one with some sense to it. We are f**king doomed brah.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:20:24 PM
we'll have to wait for a sequel another ten years.
Maybe it's for the best, better a unrelated predator sequel 10 years into the future than a sequel to the this movie following that ending.
Probably so. An indirect sequel, like the other previous Predator movies, would be the best bet. And it might not even take that long to "mentally rinse" the bizarreness of that ending. Memories are shorter these days :)
I was about to ask if the poor ending is linked to the fact that they try too hard to set up a sequel maybe ? Without spoilers please ;D
I'm not expecting this to perform well at the box office.
I think this movie will bomb so hard that this ridiculous ending will not stick...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 01:11:10 PM
I was about to ask if the poor ending is linked to the fact that they try too hard to set up a sequel maybe ? Without spoilers please ;D
Not only, that.The thing itself wants to set up a sequel around a plot device so stupid it makes your head hurt. Seriously for more than an hour I try to comprehend the things Hicks revealed in his youtube review but still cannot. The ending is beyond retarded..
Damn ive gone and read the spopoiler reveiews just the plot and ending all i gotta say is I KNEW it was gonna go down tha route..Im still excited to see the film but im dreading that ending......
I think i wioll make a statement and walk the F out at that point......
Then i will go see it a second time in a row after ive cooled down...lol
And we used to complain about friendly predators. Things sure can get always worse.
I hate to be the one who says I told you so, but I knew this film would suck. Too many new radical ideas thrown in all at once. I could smell it from a mile away that this film was still in trouble. I wish the "real" predator could go round to 20th century fox's offices and get some revenge for all us fans that have basically just been 💩 on!
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:10:45 PM
Azamultic... After watching mr H review on it... absolutely not, infact the ending is that out there and dreadful I think we should all boycott the damn thing. I don't want to throw in spoilers, so I'll keep my mouth shut. But that quite possibly is the final bail in the coffin for the franchise. Just want to say politely and honestly, "f@ck you fox and black for ruining my favourite character of all time, with your marvel wannabe unimaginative bullshit" really sorry but that ending is even worst than the idea of friendly predators, or the dodgy leaked script. How on earth did they think that was going to work? So much for all you idiots saying Shane black is better than Nolan. At least all his films know what they are. Just quit Shane black. You have ruined the franchise job well done ! 👍
Ohh Elder man you rotating 180 so fast it's funny ;) Also man just advise, no body can ruin your favorite predator, as long as you have your copy of the original you can watch it and enjoy. It's a movie Industry, not a bible. ;) I never cared for new lore things, because the Entertainment Industry not consistent at all.
If it's got good action, dialogue, and a sense of purpose , I'll enjoy it. I'll reserve judgement on the ending until I've seen it.
If you don't know what the ending is azamultic I suggest you watch mr H review right now. Seriously dude even for all logic about modern day Hollywood there's a line you don't cross and it's been crossed. you are going to be seriously pissed pal.
Just the one I dont want to spoil any more of what happens in between I just watched the MR H review of it . I had a little cry too, but oh well....
My friendly Predator idea wasnt lame as this one., mine was two elite Predators are sent to take down the Upgrade Predator or violating Predator honor codes specially making itself a hybrid thus spoiling Predator genes wiith pauking ooman genes lol.
Just like I hate us Humans messing around with genes and creating hybrids the Predators are sent to Earth JUST LIKE I HATE US HUMANS MESSING WITH DNA THINKING WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOPIING. ANYWAY THEY SENT TO ERTH TO KILL HIM AND RECOVER AL PREDATOR TECH FROM THE HUMAN RACE , NO f**kN THREAT OF INVADING EARTH M,AKING WEAR WITH THEM WITH SOME STUYPID THING THE FUGITIVEoops i hit caps sorry !
The two elite Predators are sent to avoid any major conflict (war) with humans because that is not what they are about,
which the Upgrade predator wants to do.
So we can have good guy Predators without being lame..they still kill humans that engage with them or get in thier way but they keep thier honor code of not harming the unarmed unlike what Traeger says that hey prey on the weak thats BS they hunt the strong big violation of Predator law right there.
Make it like one of the Elite Predators gets killed by the Upgrade and its too much for the other and the humans are also over powered and the only way to kill the Upgrade is to work together .
They still end up still coming to hunt us now and then but maybe some treaty with us like people that want to take on a Predator can sign up to have a ago and sign a waver that its to the death, what do you guys think of that idea for a Predator plot? I wish the oput these films in the hands of poele that know what thyre doing not opps ho w many endings a recsripts can we make to this, and what do we get a POS ending hahah
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 01:18:25 PM
And we used to complain about friendly predators. Things sure can get always worse.
Right? I thought the original ending in the script was bad, but man - this is just absurd :laugh: But doesn't necessarily spell the demise of the franchise or wait for another film for 20 years. Predators was lackluster, and also left an opening for a sequel, and we got The Predator instead. Probably the same thing will happen... I just really hope they don't actually go anywhere, sequels-wise, with this movie...
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:26:15 PM
If you don't know what the ending is azamultic I suggest you watch mr H review right now. Seriously dude even for all logic about modern day Hollywood there's a line you don't cross and it's been crossed. you are going to be seriously pissed pal.
Oh man nope, I am watching this movie in the movie theater, and I am not spoiling that shit. After I am watching this movie I may say that it was total bullshit!!! The thing that I reacted is you saying ""
f@ck you fox and black for ruining my favourite character of all time" and "
I'm not ruining what predator is to me". I am totally disagree with that statements, I was fan of predator for whole my life, and no books, comic books or AvP stuff ruined my first impressions of the Original two movies. And even if this movie changes the whole lore and things around it, I wouldn't care because I can abstract my favorite movies from the other ones. So this movie could be a total shit, I am not defending it, I am just really disagree with the point that some entrance in the Predator series can affect your love for the first two movies ???
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:21:02 PM
I hate to be the one who says I told you so, but I knew this film would suck. Too many new radical ideas thrown in all at once. I could smell it from a mile away that this film was still in trouble. I wish the "real" predator could go round to 20th century fox's offices and get some revenge for all us fans that have basically just been 💩 on!
Calm down. Nothing is ruined. Stop reading into the negative reviews ...
Go see the movie and stop being a negative Nancy.
Ok so it is linked to the fact that they want to set up a sequel badly. I imagined so. Rarely a great idea.
they have ruined the concept of what predator actually is. You are right azamultic it cannot ruin the first two films, because I won't be watching it. Sometimes a boycott is needed. Put it this way, imagine Star Trek, and they decide to throw in a gamble and turn Kirk and Spock evil. You can bet your life Trekkies would boycott it. Why is this any different.... a gift to humanity??? Please gimme a break.
This is all depressing. I was hoping for a middling, serviceable movie at best, but it sounds quite polarizing as far as who will enjoy it and who won't and I can tell I'll be in the latter category, as I suspected I would be. I'm really pissed about the things revealed in Mr H's review, especially the hybridization thing (I only tolerated that one plot point because it was supposedly just one clan) and that ending sounds mind-blowingly stupid. My jaw dropped. I'm glad I know in advance.
IM not complaining about the film I am still really excited to see it..BUT one good thing its done...my nervs are gone,,they will be back 2 days bedfpore the film..its only THREE days away for me now i still cant wait spoilers or not i will just enjoy the Predatopr action and the loonies and love to hate the Trager character lolo..OM dont tell me hes gonna be wearing the thing..maybe we do need the predatprs help..i dont like that guy and would trust any Predator over that guy,,funny thoiuguy in the ointerview i like the guy..he musr be a good actor to make rea dislike his character so much!
'Much better than Predator 2'..... NOT lol
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
they have ruined the concept of what predator actually is. You are right azamultic it cannot ruin the first two films, because I won't be watching it. Sometimes a boycott is needed. Put it this way, imagine Star Trek, and they decide to throw in a gamble and turn Kirk and Spock evil. You can bet your life Trekkies would boycott it. Why is this any different.... a gift to humanity??? Please gimme a break.
Again I grew over the Entertainment Industry a long time ago, I don't care about that type of twists any more ;) It's what I am trying to tell you, you don't need to take it so seriously. I will watch a movie, it can make Predators be androids from China, I wouldn't care. ;D Movie can suck, but I am not a person to yell "Oh my god they destroyed my favorite character" :(
I suspect any good material will be in the form of comics and video games now. Talking of comics the new predator comic is set in Afghanistan, it has a lot of depth and realism with predator taking down jihadists. It's an awesome comic and it's only at 2#.
The comic is miles above all of this nonsense. Infact the new comic is basically the very predator film iv been dying to see get made. A war film with sci fi elements. Not this garbage. That is why for me the predator goes straight in the bin.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:50:37 PMInfact the new comic is basically the very predator film iv been dying to see get made.
Good luck on any future movies coming out that don't go the way you want.
Azamultic you might not care, but a lot of us do. So what you have been in the industry how is that relevant? The fact is they have damaged the credibility and integrity of the franchise. The anger right now is justified. I'm not going to defend a mediocre director who employs known sex offenders willingly, and ruins a beloved franchise. No way! And I'm sure as hell never going to trust 20th century fox again. The stupid turn it on it's head attitude fox have with alien covenant and now predator is just ridiculous.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:26:15 PM
If you don't know what the ending is azamultic I suggest you watch mr H review right now. Seriously dude even for all logic about modern day Hollywood there's a line you don't cross and it's been crossed. you are going to be seriously pissed pal.
Has anyone walked out at that point? if not,,I may be the first. lol.
I will be back to view another time tho..lol
Synta have you actually got anything credible to say other than trolling people who are pissed? Clearly you don't know the ending, if you did you would be joining in. You just stay in your glasshouse with rose tinted spectacles but when the stone smashes it, don't say I didn't tell you so.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
Azamultic you might not care, but a lot of us do. So what you have been in the industry how is that relevant? The fact is they have damaged the credibility and integrity of the franchise. The anger right now is justified. I'm not going to defend a mediocre director who employs known sex offenders willingly, and ruins a beloved franchise. No way! And I'm sure as hell never going to trust 20th century fox again. The stupid turn it on it's head attitude fox have with alien covenant and now predator is just ridiculous.
You totally didn't get me "
So what you have been in the industry how is that relevant?" I say I am "Over it"
2) The indication that a negative event is no longer bothersome to someone.
So I caved and skipped to the end to hear the end spoiler, I skipped the other stuff though, so the good stuff will still be a surprise.
Honestly, I don't totally hate it. It's dumb for sure but that sums up the whole movie, a dumb fun action movie. Guess I will see how I feel after I watch it, but if the rest of the movie is decent enough, I think I'll enjoy it as much as Predator 2 and Predators and it still sounds better than anything that happens in the AvP movies.
That's cool if you feel that way, I don't. And I'm pissed. Sometimes things are unforgivable and for me this is one of those moments. The predator designs are off, the plot is a joke, they rewrote history with the dna thing. And the ending is even worst than all that combined. Good luck to you. Maybe you will get something out of it, but I won't be. It's going to absolutely crash at the box office and Disney will be taking note. How could you not be pissed at the current predicament, if predator is your favourite character of all time?
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
yes
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
That's cool if you feel that way, I don't. And I'm pissed. Sometimes things are unforgivable and for me this is one of those moments. The predator designs are off, the plot is a joke, they rewrote history with the dna thing. And the ending is even worst than all that combined. Good luck to you. Maybe you will get something out of it, but I won't be. It's going to absolutely crash at the box office and Disney will be taking note. How could you not be pissed at the current predicament, if predator is your favourite character of all time?
"
How could you not be pissed at the current predicament, if predator is your favourite character of all time?" I know you wasn't talking to me, but is it a little judgement in your sentence?) People may be less emotional then you or have a higher tolerance for different explorations and versions of the Predator universe. I am sure I didn't see a good predator movie from 1994-95 so I am kind of still awaiting for a good movie, but not AvP nor Predators destroyed my love for Predator.
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
yes
Well that's always nice. Thanks !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
yes
Well that's always nice. Thanks !
The new gadgets were cool.
Look iv loved predator since being a small child while kids my age were watching Pokemon, I was obsessed with a killer honor coded alien hunter, all the good stuff that made predator unique has been replaced with generic unimaginative garbage. Despite my anger I'll leave it up to you to find out.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 07, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
So I caved and skipped to the end to hear the end spoiler, I skipped the other stuff though, so the good stuff will still be a surprise.
Honestly, I don't totally hate it. It's dumb for sure but that sums up the whole movie, a dumb fun action movie. Guess I will see how I feel after I watch it, but if the rest of the movie is decent enough, I think I'll enjoy it as much as Predator 2 and Predators and it still sounds better than anything that happens in the AvP movies.
I've read it and feel the same.
Don't jump on the 'hysteria fanboy got mad' train just yet.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
Look iv loved predator since being a small child while kids my age were watching Pokemon, I was obsessed with a killer honor coded alien hunter, all the good stuff that made predator unique has been replaced with generic unimaginative garbage. Despite my anger I'll leave it up to you to find out.
Again I have the same love for the character from 3 years old. What I am trying to say even if this movie going to make Predator terrible, it can't affect my love for Predator hunter race, it's why I commented on you saying that they destroying it for you. ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
yes
Well that's always nice. Thanks !
The new gadgets were cool.
Thanks ! Looking forward to it !
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
Look iv loved predator since being a small child while kids my age were watching Pokemon, I was obsessed with a killer honor coded alien hunter, all the good stuff that made predator unique has been replaced with generic unimaginative garbage. Despite my anger I'll leave it up to you to find out.
Again I have the same love for the character from 3 years old. What I am trying to say even if this movie going to make Predator terrible, it can't affect my love for Predator hunter race, it's why I commented on you saying that they destroying it for you. ;)
Yo azamultic, do you know the ending ? Because you and i are often on the same page on many things, and i would like to know if it's as terrible as people say... Without spoilers of course ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: MrH on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Just a quick question for Hicks and Syntax, i think you can answer this one easily... Do we get new weapons/gadgets used by both predators in this movie, ones that we didn't saw in trailers/tv spot (harpoon, wrist plasma cannon) ? Without any specifics of course.
yes
Well that's always nice. Thanks !
The new gadgets were cool.
Thanks ! Looking forward to it !
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
Look iv loved predator since being a small child while kids my age were watching Pokemon, I was obsessed with a killer honor coded alien hunter, all the good stuff that made predator unique has been replaced with generic unimaginative garbage. Despite my anger I'll leave it up to you to find out.
Again I have the same love for the character from 3 years old. What I am trying to say even if this movie going to make Predator terrible, it can't affect my love for Predator hunter race, it's why I commented on you saying that they destroying it for you. ;)
Yo azamultic, do you know the ending ? Because you and i are often on the same page on many things, and i would like to know if it's as terrible as people say... Without spoilers of course ;D
Oh man, nope I am same like you, didn't read the Spoiler so yehh "
Because you and i are often on the same page on many things" ;) I guess we will find out on Thursday ;D Super nervous man
its so good that they have to go down the GM hybrit route and the war route, always gotta be invading or conquering aliens...I'm sick of it, this film also wont ruin my love for the PWredator species. They aint no war mongers or mess with genes in my world and neither should humans.
With the ending looks like Shane Black still had too much Ironman stuck in him if he had to resprt to an ending like that.
And you don't think predator deserves to be more than a dumb fun action movie? Code name for "forgettable" How about give us a film that's memorable and a worthy entry.
Honesty the original needs to be remade, so a true sequel can follow. Get someone new to play Dutch and let the sequel take it from there. It's always been Predators flaw anyway, it's never had a coherent story. Everyone wants to know what happened to Dutch, 2017's IT proved remakes can work and be just as good as the original. Predator desperately needs it, so Dutches story can continue. Without it we are just going to keep getting medicre films, because there no continuation from film to film. I know remakes are not everyone a cup of tea, but if it means getting credible sequels with a story that we can invest in, I think it would be worth it in this rare circumstance.
I don't know I This has been talked about yet, but Mr H Reviews gave some pretty big spoilers in his review.
*Spoilers*
Spoiler
Apparently, there's a civil war on the Predator home planet, and one faction intends to take over earth due to climate change on their planet.
The Fugitive is actually attempting to deliver something to the humans on earth, and the Upgrade is sent to kill him.
It seems confirmed that Fugitive is the only normal Predator in the movie, and he is killed early, yet the Upgrade stays to hunt after killing him.
It turns out the thing to save humanity from the Predators, dubbed "Predator Killer" ............is a high-tech suit of predator power armour, complete with metal dreadlocks, that attaches itself to Quinn like an Iron Man suit.
Yup.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
And you don't think predator deserves to be more than a dumb fun action movie? Code name for "forgettable" How about give us a film that's memorable and a worthy entry.
I do, I want a good Predator movie, but if studio faling I wouldn't say " NOOOOO they destroyed it! " Like Darth Vader. I would get upset, shrug my shoulders say "Shit Happens" watch original two movies and wait for another try in 10 years ;)
The only thing I am disagree is over dramatizing and saying that someone destroyed your character.
Hicks, rank them please
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator
Predators
Avp
Avpr
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
But doesn't necessarily spell the demise of the franchise or wait for another film for 20 years.
I sure hope so but with the Disney thing I get more worried.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Predators was lackluster, and also left an opening for a sequel, and we got The Predator instead.
I wouldn't have minded a sequel to Predators, I ended up liking Royce and Isabelle through the movie and as I'm really through all those open endings on alien-predator movies/games/novels/comics I would appreciate their history to be concluded.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Probably the same thing will happen... I just really hope they don't actually go anywhere, sequels-wise, with this movie...
That will be up for the box office to decide. They really tried to add a lot of new stuff to this movie, much new predator lore that will be controversial to the fans, but we are a minority, it's the general audience that will decide if this stuff will bring money to Fox/Disney or not.
I don't need to know what Dutch is doing now... I'm not hung up on his character. I welcome any new great human character, but many action movies can't bring the goods these days. Predator still holds up so why do a remake? I want an isolated Predator movie with imagination, even on their homeplanet could be fine. Just hire people with a good vision and love for the original(s). This new one seems forgettable cgi fodder mixed with too much comedy.
But they have destroyed the character for future instalments, sure they can't touch the originals thank god. But in terms of "future predator films" I would argue that yes they have destroyed the credibility of the franchise. Have they destroyed the character? Of course not. But the franchise in terms of cinema. You bet your life they have. No offence azamultic but you don't know the ending I do. And it's abysmal. Like so bad you are going to have a sour taste for next 6 months. How on earth did they think that was going to be liked. They were already pushing people's tolerance with the crazy stuff they decided to throw in. But that ending has to be the most anti climatic ending in sci fi history. And no I wish I was exaggerating pal. But I'm really not. You will see on Thursday.
P.s I'm not saying I'm cormfortable with a remake, I'm just saying it might be needed in order to create sequels that actually have continuation.
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
But doesn't necessarily spell the demise of the franchise or wait for another film for 20 years.
I sure hope so but with the Disney thing I get more worried.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Predators was lackluster, and also left an opening for a sequel, and we got The Predator instead.
I wouldn't have minded a sequel to Predators, I ended up liking Royce and Isabelle through the movie and as I'm really through all those open endings on alien-predator movies/games/novels/comics I would appreciate their history to be concluded.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Probably the same thing will happen... I just really hope they don't actually go anywhere, sequels-wise, with this movie...
That will be up for the box office to decide. They really tried to add a lot of new stuff to this movie, much new predator lore that will be controversial to the fans, but we are a minority, it's the general audience that will decide if this stuff will bring money to Fox/Disney or not.
Oh I am
so right there with you. Despite it seeming like one of the lesser enjoyed movies, it continues to be one of my favorite movies in the Predator/AVP universe. Would have really liked to see Royce and Isabel's story concluded, but it is what it is :-\
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
You might want to spoil yourself a little before you go in :)
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
But they have destroyed the character for future instalments, sure they can't touch the originals thank god. But in terms of "future predator films" I would argue that yes they have destroyed the credibility of the franchise. Have they destroyed the character? Of course not. But the franchise in terms of cinema. You bet your life they have. No offence azamultic but you don't know the ending I do. And it's abysmal. Like so bad you are going to have a sour taste for next 6 months. How on earth did they think that was going to be liked. They were already pushing people's tolerance with the crazy stuff they decided to throw in. But that ending has to be the most anti climatic ending in sci fi history. And no I wish I was exaggerating pal. But I'm really not. You will see on Thursday.
the thing is this franchise always was on the half destroyed phase, if you only talking about the Predator movie it was 1987 successful movie and 3 years later not so successful sequel 1990, and after that 2010, whole 20 years we waited for "Predators" after that not so successful entry we waited 8 years for another try. It always was on the verge of dying. You just remind me of character who says Apocalypses is close, we are all going to die. I didn't see the end of the movie, I will check it, but I doubt that franchise going to die. But it can, I could be wrong. But for me personally you are too emotional and overreacting, and too confident in your statements when you already change sides twice (no offense brother ;))
It's just a movie guys. No matter how much people feel entitled there's too much emotion being thrown around in here. Have a rest from the Internet for 10/20 minutes. :)
I wasn't on any side, first there was the bad script which pissed me off so I was negative, I tried to stay positive however and now I'm back to square one. And you are right yes I did scream "we are all going to die, and like Hudson and I was right died we did.
Quote from: DarthWall275 on Sep 07, 2018, 02:41:40 PM
I don't know I This has been talked about yet, but Mr H Reviews gave some pretty big spoilers in his review.
*Spoilers*
Clipped due to spoilers
Use the rad symbol on that thang dude! :D There's folks around here that are trying to avoid the spoilers. If it's not hidden, they might accidentally see something while skimming through discussions.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
I wasn't on any side, first there was the bad script which pissed me off so I was negative, I tried to stay positive however and now I'm back to square one. And you are right yes I did scream "we are all going to die, and like Hudson and I was right died we did.
Okay Elder, you win! I am giving up and I don't have nothing to tell you (for now) ;)
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 07, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
Hicks, rank them please
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator
Predators
Avp
Avpr
Hicks gave it a 6, so it's worse than Predators but better than the avp movies for him.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
I didn't spoiled myself directly either, just bits and pieces here and there, and from what i understand, well... It's really weird... The kind of thing that makes your eyes widen so much they could fall off their sockets :laugh:
If i understood right though... But i think i did ;D
Bigdaddyjohn.. am I over reacting? I mean I could be, but I feel like the ending is just a bridge too far for me, iv really tried to get behind this film, even when I was negative. But honestly this is just awful. A seven year old could be more imaginative than this. That's why I'm calling for a boycott. If you don't know the ending you might want to reconsider. It's so bad and out there, even it's nightmares are scared of it.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
I didn't spoiled myself directly either, just bits and pieces here and there, and from what i understand, well... It's really weird... The kind of thing that makes your eyes widen so much they could fall off their sockets :laugh:
If i understood right though... But i think i did ;D
Judging by what's being described, it bares far too much resemblance to a Resurgence type situation.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Hicks gave it a 6, so it's worse than Predators but better than the avp movies for him.
I had a bit of a tough time seeing how it got a 6/10 judging by what I read in his review.
Didn't think Hicks would have the ending in his review. Spoiled it for myself by accident haha. As long as the film doesn't get a proper sequel we're good.
I'll just say that my hate for a certain genre of modern films has been amplified!
I'm going to assume FOX forced that scene in there and that Black wouldn't do that on his own accord.
Definitely sounds like a studio decision rather than a Shane Black one. Like it's come from someone who has never even seen a Predator movie before :laugh: So I'm not faulting Black for this one just yet.
Once the film is out in the open I'd like to hear his word on it.
We need that AVP Galaxy Kickstarter to buy the rights from FOX :D
That ending annoys me on the same level that the Alien Covenant spores and magic facehugger impregnation destroying the classic Alien life cycle did. Only this time it seems to cripple peoples opinion of the whole film.
I loved the Spores in Alien.
Finally making the Pathogen make sense in it's functionality.
&
The impregnation works, and The Cold Forge contextualises so it works in cohesion with what the other films established.
No, this is another beast entirely.
I just want to know how the Stargazer lab scenes with the fugitive predator and his escape are. I feel like that's the real highlight of the film.
After reading that ending, I honestly don't care about the future of the franchise anymore. I'll be contend with just re-watching the first 2 Movies.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 03:28:03 PM
Bigdaddyjohn.. am I over reacting? I mean I could be, but I feel like the ending is just a bridge too far for me, iv really tried to get behind this film, even when I was negative. But honestly this is just awful. A seven year old could be more imaginative than this. That's why I'm calling for a boycott. If you don't know the ending you might want to reconsider. It's so bad and out there, even it's nightmares are scared of it.
You're maybe a bit too emotional, which i can understand and respect though, but i think it's safe to say that anyone with some sincere care for Predator will be surprised/shocked by what the ending seem to be.
The Variety review makes me laugh with its criticizing the cast's "potty-mouthing" and how the stuntmen showed up more than the actors :laugh:
If this were a superhero film they'd be raving about how great the action is and how they're positive Scarlett Johansson does her own stunts or some shit lol
Also they list it as PG-13 at the beginning of the article. Yeah, not taking their review too serious.
Just guessing the worst thing I can think of, so...
Is the ending about the upgrade...
Spoiler
Actually being a mutated dutch?
Yes or no.
No... but it's basically just as lame
After reading the leaked draft, I couldn't possibly have conceived a situation where the third act could have gotten worse than it was with rewrites/reshoots....
But wow that ending sounds diabolical
Spoiler
wow that ending sounds ridiculous. Remember how fans hated the idea of lex teaming up with Scar? Now we have a predator who is quite literally space-jesus. He came from the heavens to save the human race. Not only does the iron-man-esque Predator suit sound lame and completely off base from what you'd expect from a predator film.
But it just raises too many questions. If Fugitive came to Earth to give us a weapon than why is he killing so many people? If the predators have this type of tech, why isn't Upgrade using it? He'd never lose if he had it. What is this setting up? A sequel where humans and predators are wearing mech-suits and shooting at each other? Like some kind of Halo-esque futuristic war movie? No matter how much I may like this movie, I'm almost dead certain this movie will bomb and we'll be waiting 10 years for the next sequel that will also be a stand-alone film just like all the other sequels.
Who knows? Maybe watch the movie and find out.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 07, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Spoiler
wow that ending sounds ridiculous. Remember how fans hated the idea of lex teaming up with Scar? Now we have a predator who is quite literally space-jesus. He came from the heavens to save the human race. Not only does the iron-man esque Predator suite sound lame and completely off base from what you'd expect from a predator film.
But it just raises too many questions. If Fugitive came to Earth to give us a weapon than why is he killing so many people? If the predators have this type of tech, why isn't Upgrade using it? He'd never lose if he had it. What is this setting up? A sequel where humans and predators are wearing mech-suits and shooting at each other? Like some kind of Halo esque futuristic war movie? No matter how much I may like this movie, I'm almost dead certain this movie will bomb and we'll be waiting 10 years for the next sequel that will also be a stand-alone film just like all the other sequels.
Oh just wait.
Soon they'll
Spoiler
pull an Iron Man 3 and have lots of suits that come to the aid of one guy to fight Guy Pierce's Weyland clone in a prequel crossover. I mean, hey, battle suits, Guy Peirce, Shane Black movie, it's bound to happen.
All this speculation on the ending and I don't even have to click on a spoiler link now do I. The Predator blows himself up again? Right? Just like the Alien always gets sucked through an airlock. Rinse and Repeat. No! Don't no one answer that.
Man I've gotta stay the hell out of this forum before the ending gets spoiled. :laugh:
OK, I also spoilered the ending for myself. ::) :-\
I think it's stupid but I want to see it how it is portrayed in the film.
It's 'just' the nowadays Hollywood trend...unfortunately.
Is this a credit song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw)
😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 07, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
Is this a credit song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw)
Must...save...Maurt'ja! :D
Some questions:
-
Spoiler
Does anybody of the survivors try on that suit in the end of the film? How does it turn out that the suit is intended for the humans?
- Any predator weapon/gadget used by humans other than Traeger's shoulder cannon?
- Do we know how Fugitive gets those scratches on his first mask?
- Do the main heroes return to Stargazer lab after the event of Fugitive's escape? If yes, why?
- Communication between human and Predator?
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Is the translator device in the final film?
Quick question: I'm hearing about a coda or credits scene of some kind, is this placed mid-credits or at the absolute very end of them?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 02:00:49 PM
Synta have you actually got anything credible to say other than trolling people who are pissed? Clearly you don't know the ending, if you did you would be joining in. You just stay in your glasshouse with rose tinted spectacles but when the stone smashes it, don't say I didn't tell you so.
Maybe start reading my posts several pages back. Theres a big SPOILER logged field... ::)
Wait did they remove
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the preds working with humans from the set pics. I was looking forward to that.
It's been removed since the reshoots.
The amount of people whinging off reviews is insane. Go see it for yourself amd make your own judgement like normal people do!
Well said ramjet!
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 07, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
The amount of people whinging off reviews is insane. Go see it for yourself amd make your own judgement like normal people do!
It's not out yet on some countries.
All these Shane black fans clinging on for dear life and can't accept that he has utterly failed. See I'm a man of taste, you can decorate crap all you want, but it's always going to taste bad.
My point is the script was just bad. And at its heart it's the core of a movie. If the script is bad, it doesn't matter how much money you throw it, what actors come on board, how much cgi you have, the film is going to suffer. As the predator has now found out. All the changes made were down to a dodgy script, in my humble opinion it's Fred Dekker who's to blame. Why fox employed a man that has already been on record saying he never liked the original is beyond me. It's his script so it's his fault. And it's Shane's for not staying true to predators roots.
Guess it's time for some damage control. Maybe the novel will have a better ending, like on how Covenant's novel David didn't create the aliens. So not all hope is lost.
The sign of a man of taste is surely declaring that they're a man of taste and that anyone who disagrees is simply in denial.
The reviews seemed positive last night but today they've definitely led towards more mixed. However it's not being called an utter failure. Let's not forget only a small fraction of critics are seeing the movie this weekend. It sounds like this is what the general consensus will be going forward, and I am a bit disappointed by the some of the off things I've heard the movie does but I will reserve my judgement until I see it.
Fans getting upset on here based on reviews shouldn't just decide to hate the movie and not see it are doing the franchise a disservice. Voice your opinions but see the film so you can make an actual case for your dislike of the movie.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 11:30:38 PM
The sign of a man of taste is surely declaring that they're a man of taste and that anyone who disagrees is simply in denial.
Then I guess I should proudly declare that I have no taste whatsoever, and that anyone who disagrees with me is completely right. ;D
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Is this a credit song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-thChxjcVw)
Must...save...Maurt'ja! :D
:laugh: :laugh: holy damn ! !
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
The reviews seemed positive last night but today they've definitely led towards more mixed. However it's not being called an utter failure. Let's not forget only a small fraction of critics are seeing the movie this weekend. It sounds like this is what the general consensus will be going forward, and I am a bit disappointed by the some of the off things I've heard the movie does but I will reserve my judgement until I see it.
Fans getting upset on here based on reviews shouldn't just decide to hate the movie and not see it are doing the franchise a disservice. Voice your opinions but see the film so you can make an actual case for your dislike of the movie.
Yep, people too quick to shit on it without seeing it, even though some reviews have said there is some good stuff in it. It's weird how a lot of people on the internet seem to pick up on all the negative stuff, while ignoring positive things.
It's far from perfect by the sound of things but I'm hearing good things about the characters, gore and action, so I think it will be in line with P2 and Predators, which are also flawed but fun movies.
Predator is a f-ing great sequel that holds it's own... Predators isn't... reciting lines from the original every 4 minutes is desperate... I heard the new one also does this. Ugh.
Btw where is Petr? :)
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 12:24:14 AM
Btw where is Petr? :)
Chasing Shane around with a suction cup arrow, no doubt. ;D
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 12:24:14 AM
Btw where is Petr? :)
Probably celebrating his victory (over what ?) somewhere :laugh:
He'll surely show up sooner or later.
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Btw where is Petr? :)
Chasing Shane around with a suction cup arrow, no doubt. ;D
Haha haha! :laugh: I am sure he would be happy to join hate vagon ;) and tell us "I told you so"
So many bias for Shane in those reviews, i wish they were more objetive. I am really curious about how this movie finally turned out.
So many bias for Shane in those reviews, i wish they were more objetive. I am really curious about how this movie finally turned out.
Here are my thoughts on the final The Predator trailer as well as my thoughts on the first round of reviews/reactions to the movie...
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Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
You might want to spoil yourself a little before you go in :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
I didn't spoiled myself directly either, just bits and pieces here and there, and from what i understand, well... It's really weird... The kind of thing that makes your eyes widen so much they could fall off their sockets :laugh:
If i understood right though... But i think i did ;D
Y'all made me spoil it for myself... It does sound off-putting though I think I could imagine worse. I was starting to think Thomas Janes' "stealing our women" remark had some truth to it. See? Could always be worse! :laugh:
Based on those commenting that it felt completely out of place with the rest of the movie, could this last bit be what they went back to reshoot those 2 days?
I'll reserve any more judgmental comments until after I see it. I'm sure I will enjoy the movie as a whole regardless of this particular bit.
Regarding Fugitive...
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Can anyone share roughly how far into the movie he dies? And if he gets a decent amount of screen-time beforehand?
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
You might want to spoil yourself a little before you go in :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
I didn't spoiled myself directly either, just bits and pieces here and there, and from what i understand, well... It's really weird... The kind of thing that makes your eyes widen so much they could fall off their sockets :laugh:
If i understood right though... But i think i did ;D
Y'all made me spoil it for myself... It does sound off-putting though I think I could imagine worse. I was starting to think Thomas Janes' "stealing our women" remark had some truth to it. See? Could always be worse! :laugh:
Based on those commenting that it felt completely out of place with the rest of the movie, could this last bit be what they went back to reshoot those 2 days?
Sorry 😬😉😉 Though I think earth women being taken on intergalactic space tours would be preferable then...you know...
this :laugh: Maybe that's just me lol
But yes, I believe this was done in the reshoots. Completely different then what was in the script - and from what I've gathered, a lot of the main points of the script did remain intact, save for this element (which was radically changed from the original idea) and the friendlies/hybrids being removed.
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
Ok I didn't spoil the ending for myself but I am growing concerned. If they turn this into some damn Independence Day bull where preds want to take over the Earth, then I can't even defend that.
You might want to spoil yourself a little before you go in :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
I didn't spoiled myself directly either, just bits and pieces here and there, and from what i understand, well... It's really weird... The kind of thing that makes your eyes widen so much they could fall off their sockets :laugh:
If i understood right though... But i think i did ;D
Y'all made me spoil it for myself... It does sound off-putting though I think I could imagine worse. I was starting to think Thomas Janes' "stealing our women" remark had some truth to it. See? Could always be worse! :laugh:
Based on those commenting that it felt completely out of place with the rest of the movie, could this last bit be what they went back to reshoot those 2 days?
Sorry 😬😉😉 Though I think earth women being taken on intergalactic space tours would be preferable then...you know...this :laugh: Maybe that's just me lol
Oh it ain't just you... but it may just be the two of us. ;D
Hum honestly folks, the ending is clearly WTF... But that doesn't nullify what happened in the first two movies, nor destroy the lore really... It's just totally out of the field yes, but that doesn't mean it changes the perception we got of all preds...
If the AVPs didn't ruin it for you then this surely won't. Who knows, maybe a sequel won't even follow up with this movie's ending. I personally hope they take it back to a hunting preserve planet again in another sequel.
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At any rate, I like that Shane said not all the Preds take part in the DNA splicing. And while it may not have seemed that way in the movie, perhaps it's just to do with the fact that the focus is on this particular group of preds.
I'm curious to find out what makes Fugitive want to give humans this gift... is it that "H" word?!?
I don't see any benefit in returning to the preserve.
Spoiler
Maybe they're tired of hunting this race that's killed a respected hunter (JH) with inferior technology, perhaps they want to up the challenge.
If so, I hope they follow through on the ending-
But not in the way you'd expect, I hope it jumps years into the future and we've dissected the technology and completely transformed our society.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 08, 2018, 02:40:21 AM
I don't see any benefit in returning to the preserve.
Spoiler
Maybe they're tired of hunting this race that's killed a respected hunter (JH) with inferior technology, perhaps they want to up the challenge.
If so, I hope they follow through on the ending-
But not in the way you'd expect, I hope it jumps years into the future and we've dissected the technology and completely transformed our society.
True. I am all for a film set more in the future as that would be a refreshing setting for a new hunt. Something along the lines of
Predator Concrete Jungle but with humans leading, of course, and slightly less campy.
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
I don't like what I've heard about a specific element of the ending, otherwise I'm open to the concept.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
You'd think a predator film would be that simple but not with this movie. the ending is ruined by a completely out-of-left-field plot element that takes Predator and turns it into a Marvel movie.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
Just...brace yourself.
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
You'd think a predator film would be that simple but not with this movie. the ending is ruined by a completely out-of-left-field plot element that takes Predator and turns it into a Marvel movie.
Maybe is a love letter to Disney.
ok waiting is killing me, I haven't read any spoiler tags but from a few hints and teases that've leaked through I'm going to speculate the worst possible ending I can come up with and see how close I am after the films release
Spoiler
I'm gonna guess Quinn's autistic son figures out how to communicate with the predator and at the climax of the film at the last minute he negotiates some kind of truce and gets the predator to leave.
That, or his son calls for predator backup. Either way, it's some dumb plot twist where the autistic son saves the day.
Are the Pred vision sounds for fugitive the same as P1 and P2? In the fight clip released although it's hard to hear the Upgrade's vision sounds seem to taken straight from Predators...
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 08, 2018, 01:10:10 AM
Based on those commenting that it felt completely out of place with the rest of the movie, could this last bit be what they went back to reshoot those 2 days?
We don't for for sure but I suspect so.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 07, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
The amount of people whinging off reviews is insane. Go see it for yourself amd make your own judgement like normal people do!
At the end of the day, I always say this. Go make up your own minds.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
My point is the script was just bad. And at its heart it's the core of a movie. If the script is bad, it doesn't matter how much money you throw it, what actors come on board, how much cgi you have, the film is going to suffer. As the predator has now found out. All the changes made were down to a dodgy script, in my humble opinion it's Fred Dekker who's to blame. Why fox employed a man that has already been on record saying he never liked the original is beyond me. It's his script so it's his fault. And it's Shane's for not staying true to predators roots.
In my opinion, and from what it's felt like watching the film and tracking everything these past few years, it's attempts to pander to all the complaining online that seems to have made a mess of this film.
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
You'd think a predator film would be that simple but not with this movie. the ending is ruined by a completely out-of-left-field plot element that takes Predator and turns it into a Marvel movie.
But it doesn't turn all preds from what we knew to this knew "idea".
Quote from: blood. on Sep 08, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
ok waiting is killing me, I haven't read any spoiler tags but from a few hints and teases that've leaked through I'm going to speculate the worst possible ending I can come up with and see how close I am after the films release
Spoiler
I'm gonna guess Quinn's autistic son figures out how to communicate with the predator and at the climax of the film at the last minute he negotiates some kind of truce and gets the predator to leave.
That, or his son calls for predator backup. Either way, it's some dumb plot twist where the autistic son saves the day.
No nothing that bad, IMO.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 05:36:10 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
You'd think a predator film would be that simple but not with this movie. the ending is ruined by a completely out-of-left-field plot element that takes Predator and turns it into a Marvel movie.
But it doesn't turn all preds from what we knew to this knew "idea".
Quote from: blood. on Sep 08, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
ok waiting is killing me, I haven't read any spoiler tags but from a few hints and teases that've leaked through I'm going to speculate the worst possible ending I can come up with and see how close I am after the films release
Spoiler
I'm gonna guess Quinn's autistic son figures out how to communicate with the predator and at the climax of the film at the last minute he negotiates some kind of truce and gets the predator to leave.
That, or his son calls for predator backup. Either way, it's some dumb plot twist where the autistic son saves the day.
No nothing that bad, IMO.
No, it's actually worse. Seriously I think Black was forced to shoot that thing at the end. The studio wants to pull a Marvel on this franchise. The thing with the Mandarin from IM3 is nothing compared to this.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 08, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Damn~! I keep coming back and all I see is how people -do not- like the ending. The Predator dies at the end right? I mean the only way the ending could be ruined is if they break with lore and The Predator survives.
You'd think a predator film would be that simple but not with this movie. the ending is ruined by a completely out-of-left-field plot element that takes Predator and turns it into a Marvel movie.
But it doesn't turn all preds from what we knew to this knew "idea".
Quote from: blood. on Sep 08, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
ok waiting is killing me, I haven't read any spoiler tags but from a few hints and teases that've leaked through I'm going to speculate the worst possible ending I can come up with and see how close I am after the films release
Spoiler
I'm gonna guess Quinn's autistic son figures out how to communicate with the predator and at the climax of the film at the last minute he negotiates some kind of truce and gets the predator to leave.
That, or his son calls for predator backup. Either way, it's some dumb plot twist where the autistic son saves the day.
No nothing that bad, IMO.
No, it's actually worse. Seriously I think Black was forced to shoot that thing at the end. The studio wants to pull a Marvel on this franchise. The thing with the Mandarin from IM3 is nothing compared to this.
For oversensitive people, probably yes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 10:59:07 AM
In my opinion, and from what it's felt like watching the film and tracking everything these past few years, it's attempts to pander to all the complaining online that seems to have made a mess of this film.
Is that really the case though? Because it appears that much of the plot elements of the script remained intact, save for the friendlies/hybrids. And the reshoots were based on test audience reactions. In any events, the ending is just so out of left field and out of character of the Predator series as a whole. That can't be pandering to online fandom or even an idea from Shane Black. Seems to have been a decision that was made for him - I just can't believe otherwise atm.
That being said, the AvP movies tried to inject some wonky stuff into Predator lore and studios/audiences did a great job at ignoring it all away. So it's possible this element will not be followed up on in future films or even acknowledged.
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 08, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
He gave The Predator a 6/10 and Predators a 8/10.
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Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 08, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
He gave The Predator a 6/10 and Predators a 8/10.
Damn that's not good....Predators was ok but no were near great so The Predator is worse....that's a disappointment.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
All these Shane black fans clinging on for dear life and can't accept that he has utterly failed. See I'm a man of taste, you can decorate crap all you want, but it's always going to taste bad.
My point is the script was just bad. And at its heart it's the core of a movie. If the script is bad, it doesn't matter how much money you throw it, what actors come on board, how much cgi you have, the film is going to suffer. As the predator has now found out. All the changes made were down to a dodgy script, in my humble opinion it's Fred Dekker who's to blame. Why fox employed a man that has already been on record saying he never liked the original is beyond me. It's his script so it's his fault. And it's Shane's for not staying true to predators roots.
Have you even seen the movie yet?
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 08, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 08, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
He gave The Predator a 6/10 and Predators a 8/10.
Damn that's not good....Predators was ok but no were near great so The Predator is worse....that's a disappointment.
But don't forget that Hicks actualy likes Predators ;) I personally don't like Predatros, so hopefully this movie going to be better for me)))
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 08, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 08, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 08, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
He gave The Predator a 6/10 and Predators a 8/10.
Damn that's not good....Predators was ok but no were near great so The Predator is worse....that's a disappointment.
But don't forget that Hicks actualy likes Predators ;) I personally don't like Predatros, so hopefully this movie going to be better for me)))
True...I though Predators was just ok so I hope I like The Predator.
Quote from: blood. on Sep 08, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
ok waiting is killing me, I haven't read any spoiler tags but from a few hints and teases that've leaked through I'm going to speculate the worst possible ending I can come up with and see how close I am after the films release
Spoiler
I'm gonna guess Quinn's autistic son figures out how to communicate with the predator and at the climax of the film at the last minute he negotiates some kind of truce and gets the predator to leave.
That, or his son calls for predator backup. Either way, it's some dumb plot twist where the autistic son saves the day.
Nope, that ending at least feels plausible in the world of Predator. the ending is like watching a Die Hard movie where John McClane is in the middle of a shoot-out with terrorists and then all of a sudden Roger Rabbit comes out of nowhere "Jumpin' Jeepers Johnny, what are we going to do!?" and you're like "WHAT THE F@CK!?!" It's like watching a Friday the 13th film where Jason is defeated and the teens walk away to safety and then Nick Fury shows up and offers them a spot in the Avengers. It's like the ending promises to take Predator and turn it into something it's not: a completely different genre.
Uhh....yeah. I had to find out what the ending was because of everyone commenting on how bad it is. I'm not going to lie, it sounds ridiculous and almost kills any desire for me to see the movie now. Are they trying to turn this into some Marvel movie spin off with an R rating?
And here we have the new narrative start to form as itbecomes clearer and clearer what the film is and always has been.
"Um, ackshually it's the fault of the toxic fanbase that the movie is an mess. If you'd just lowered you standards, accepted every leaked and released bit of info about this movie as being amazing, it would have been! Your constant naysaying bullied Shane Black into making a bad film!"
It's the Last Jedi/Ghostbusters defense. It's not the Studios/filmmakers fault for making a bad movie, why the audience is at fault for insisting that the turf in question is not, in fact, a candy bar. It's a pathetic attempt to save face, and nothing less than what I've come to expect from this movies defenders.
Nah, I think they and we weren't going to win either way. While we obviously can't attest to the reality of it, if they'd made the early script they'd have had a possibly more coherent movie but it was so divergent the fanbase would have hated it anyway. Instead they've got a fun ride that isn't so coherent and I don't think will hold up to much scrutiny.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
Nah, I think they and we weren't going to win either way. While we obviously can't attest to the reality of it, if they'd made the early script they'd have had a possibly more coherent movie but it was so divergent the fanbase would have hated it anyway. Instead they've got a fun ride that isn't so coherent and I don't think will hold up to much scrutiny.
So technically we got the worst out of two evils? ;D
I dunno...at least I found it super fun while I watching it. I really did love the Loonies.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
I dunno...at least I found it super fun while I watching it. I really did love the Loonies.
I really cant wait to see that movie, but I have a question Hicks. What is next? What do you think is going to happen? The reviews are mixed, so I guess it will underpreform. Also fans hating it not going to help it, and this whole Disney thing. Is it the last Predator movie? Or we would get a continuation in 10+ years?)
What is your idea on that situation? :)
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 08, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 08, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hicks, how would u rank this movie? Better than predators) 2010)
He gave The Predator a 6/10 and Predators a 8/10.
Damn that's not good....Predators was ok but no were near great so The Predator is worse....that's a disappointment.
That's not good at all. Damn
Still wondering what the other cut of the film might be 🤔
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 04:22:39 PM
What is next? What do you think is going to happen?
Winter Soldier. Time travel. Nazi's. Future tech. Jeff Goldblum.
How else can we explain that:
Spoiler
The Predators hair is actually a mind controlling parasite that's been using them to conquer space. I guess next time we're going to have to assemble a rag-tag group of combat hardened barbers, willing to sacrifice everything for the good of the galaxy.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
For oversensitive people, probably yes.
For example I'm not oversensitive and I've read the ending. :)
Believe me, it's total stupid, bad idea implemented in the film. You won't like it, I'm sure.
No fans will like it...no fans.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 04:22:39 PM
What is next? What do you think is going to happen?
Everything depends on how this movie will result in finance.
If we have to wait an other 5-10 years for a next Predator movie, then that movie will fit to the actual movie trend...
...just like this one...to the
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f**king superheroes.
That's so simple. Money and demand talks. Scripts and movies will be adjusted to these things.
Anyway, these questions?
-
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Does anybody of the survivors try on that suit in the end of the film? How does it turn out that the suit is intended for the humans?
- Any predator weapon/gadget used by humans other than Traeger's shoulder cannon?
- Do we know how Fugitive gets those scratches on his first mask?
- Do the main heroes return to Stargazer lab after the event of Fugitive's escape? If yes, why?
- Communication between human and Predator?
Spoiler
Is the translator device in the final film?
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 08, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
Everything depends on how this movie will result in finance.
If we have to wait an other 5-10 years for a next Predator movie, then that movie will fit to the actual movie trend...
...just like this one...to the Spoiler
f**king superheroes.
That's of course true, I was asking more about, is there a possibility of Disney killing the franchise? Or is there any idea how long to wait for another instulment with this kind of not too successful entry (yet), just an aproximate Ideas ;)
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 08:13:19 PM
That's of course true, I was asking more about, is there a possibility of Disney killing the franchise? Or is there any idea how long to wait for another instulment with this kind of not too successful entry (yet), just an aproximate Ideas ;)
In case of success --> approximately 2-3 years.
In case of flop --> probably more than 8-10 years.
Of course we can not know it for sure...it's just a guess.
And regarding Disney... Most likely the Predator, Alien and AvP franchise will be softened, more human-friendly I think.
Very Important Question for those that have seen film:
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In one of the reviews, it is mentioned that a characters blood is used to reveal either the Assassin or the Fugitive, while cloaked.
who is that Character? is it Sapir?
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One of McKenna's men from the start.
Ahhh I see hicks, it's my fault for showing resistance to something. Brother please. It's not our fault. When a studio has millions at their disposal it is fundamentally their fault. And actually even if you are right, it's still their fault for not listening. I don't need to taste crap, to know it's crap. Rant over!
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Quote from: azamultic on Sep 08, 2018, 08:13:19 PM
That's of course true, I was asking more about, is there a possibility of Disney killing the franchise? Or is there any idea how long to wait for another instulment with this kind of not too successful entry (yet), just an aproximate Ideas ;)
In case of success --> approximately 2-3 years.
In case of flop --> probably more than 8-10 years.
Of course we can not know it for sure...it's just a guess.
And regarding Disney... Most likely the Predator, Alien and AvP franchise will be softened, more human-friendly I think.
thanks for your thoughts! Hopefully we wouldn't need to wait another 8-10 years, seriously "Predator2" and "Predatros" made it really hard for me ;D
I find it rather ironic that I was right all along, and rather than being human and saying elder I'm sorry I doubted you, you would rather throw mud because you cannot accept you are wrong. Some community.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 08, 2018, 10:57:10 PM
I find it rather ironic that I was right all along, and rather than being human and saying elder I'm sorry I doubted you, you would rather throw mud because you cannot accept you are wrong. Some community.
Elder are you talking to me? Or somebody else? ???
So far from the reactions on twitter I havent read anyone hating on the characters so I'm really happy about that. The characters are a huge part of why I love Predator movies. I was honestly worried we'd get some 'Sabotage' type feedback regarding the Loonies. The characters in 'Sabotage' were just awful.
I'm glad Hicks enjoyed the loonies, I think I will too.
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
No azamultic unlike some members we can can have different ideas and sometimes not see eye to eye, but still get along. While some people think maybe I'm so serious, the irony is that I find it funny that people take me so seriously. It's my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right, it also doesn't mean I'm wrong. And the fact I offend, without resulting to name calling or belittling tells me something I'm saying must be true. If I was all hot air no one would bother replying.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 09, 2018, 12:10:29 AM
And the fact I offend, without resulting to name calling or belittling tells me something I'm saying must be true. If I was all hot air no one would bother replying.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 07, 2018, 01:10:45 PM
So much for all you idiots saying Shane black is better than Nolan.
Now you are being a hypocrite. You are right though people have differing opinions. You don't get to decide what others should like or dislike by thinking of yourself as a man of taste. That just shows you are a megalomaniac. Seriously we get it you don't like the movie you will not like it no matter.
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@ElderClanLeader
Your endless negativity is tiresome.
Let's keep it civil guys.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
I wondered the same thing after seeing the movie. That made zero sense to me.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 09, 2018, 01:55:02 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
I wondered the same thing after seeing the movie. That made zero sense to me.
I haven't seen the movie yet and was sure that woudn't be explained. Maybe the fugitive definition of "help" is a different from what we know, he wants to "help" humanity by giving us a weapon so either we become a bigger challenge since killing stronger prey is more fun or so humanity can survive whateve the Upgrade is planning because if we all die, the predators wouldn't have the pleasure of hunting humans anymore.
He kills humans because they are getting in the way, a few human lives don't matter to him, he is looking at the bigger picture. As always predators are dicks... and maybe the writing in this movie have issues too.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 09, 2018, 01:55:02 AM
Let's keep it civil guys.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
I wondered the same thing after seeing the movie. That made zero sense to me.
Ah shit, I guess all those re-shoots screwed the story up after all. Should have just let us have those hybrids.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 09, 2018, 02:03:12 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 09, 2018, 01:55:02 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
I wondered the same thing after seeing the movie. That made zero sense to me.
I haven't seen the movie yet and was sure that woudn't be explained. Maybe the fugitive definition of "help" is a different from what we know, he wants to "help" humanity by giving us a weapon so either we become a bigger challenge since killing stronger prey is more fun or so humanity can survive whateve the Upgrade is planning because if we all die, the predators wouldn't have the pleasure of hunting humans anymore.
He kills humans because they are getting in the way, a few human lives don't matter to him, he is looking at the bigger picture. As always predators are dicks... and maybe the writing in this movie have issues too.
Yeah their idea of help might be different and they're the superior species that will punch back when poked I guess. They do display animalistic behavior too. He just might be thinking "I'm trying to do you all a favor but f**k don't touch me and try to experiment on me!"
Can't wait to read your review in its entirety after watching the film Hicks. Perhaps in the future we could have separate scores for different areas of each film (character design, cast & characters, tone & pacing, etc) before the final score. Cheers
Since when did I say what people should like or dislike? I'm talking about what I like, when I said I'm a man of taste, it is a saying, I.e I don't have to see eat crap to know it's crap. Iv read the script iv followed this films development since the very beginning, iv read the script ( which I still have) so please dont put words in my mouth. I'm merely expressing my own opinion. Does the truth hurt that much that you got this wrong? Since when is the truth negative? An example is I don't like trump, who does? Does opposing him, make me negative? Of course not. Same applies here.
Sounds like it is salvageable with a fan edit (mostly the ending, I guess, somehow), though I'd prefer it if it didn't have to be salvaged in the first place.
I'm mostly a Predator 1 person, but I think P2 has more going for it than it doesn't, and after re-watching Predators again recently, I actually like it, after hating it at first. The AVP movies don't even exist for me as an Alien fan and Predator fan. So if, besides the ending, this one is more or less on par with 2 and Predators, I'll be content. I'm just used to all the sequels being a mixed bag, at this point. The first one remains unsurpassed.
Quote from: Kudzu on Sep 09, 2018, 04:10:50 AM
Sounds like it is salvageable with a fan edit (mostly the ending, I guess, somehow)
Now that's an obligatory edit, someone need to cut that thing out. I don't know much about that editing stuff, but if no one else do it (Prometheus and Covenant's fan-edits improved the movies for me), I will to do it myself.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
I haven't seen the finished version but that may have to do with the whole business of the weapon and Fugitive's intentions to help mankind being a very recent addition to the story. That plot point was never mentioned or shown in the earlier cuts that were screened as recently as July.
Quote from: El Diablo on Sep 09, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
I haven't seen the finished version but that may have to do with the whole business of the weapon and Fugitive's intentions to help mankind being a very recent addition to the story. That plot point was never mentioned or shown in the earlier cuts that were screened as recently as July.
Spoiler
so what was fugitive's original intention?
Quote from: von on Sep 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: El Diablo on Sep 09, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
I haven't seen the finished version but that may have to do with the whole business of the weapon and Fugitive's intentions to help mankind being a very recent addition to the story. That plot point was never mentioned or shown in the earlier cuts that were screened as recently as July.
Spoiler
so what was fugitive's original intention?
Like I said, I haven't seen the final edit so I'm not sure if any of this is still in the film.
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From what I can recall he was a hybrid experiment on the run whose DNA was valuable to the Predators. He never seemed like he was there to give anything to anybody, just trying to evade capture and get his gear back from the humans.
Thanks!
That doesn't come across in the finished edit.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2018, 10:30:37 AM
That doesn't come across in the finished edit.
Hicks, could you answer these questions? Of course in spoiler, if needed. :)
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Does anybody of the survivors try on that suit in the end of the film? How does it turn out that the suit is intended for the humans?
- Any predator weapon/gadget used by humans other than Traeger's shoulder cannon?
- Do we know how Fugitive gets those scratches on his first mask?
- Do the main heroes return to Stargazer lab after the event of Fugitive's escape? If yes, why?
- Communication between human and Predator?
Spoiler
Is the translator device in the final film?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
Maybe they attacked him first and he lost his shit...
Quote from: El Diablo on Sep 09, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: El Diablo on Sep 09, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Ok, somebody who has seen the movie answer me this...
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
I haven't seen the finished version but that may have to do with the whole business of the weapon and Fugitive's intentions to help mankind being a very recent addition to the story. That plot point was never mentioned or shown in the earlier cuts that were screened as recently as July.
Spoiler
so what was fugitive's original intention?
Like I said, I haven't seen the final edit so I'm not sure if any of this is still in the film.
Spoiler
From what I can recall he was a hybrid experiment on the run whose DNA was valuable to the Predators. He never seemed like he was there to give anything to anybody, just trying to evade capture and get his gear back from the humans.
If that really was the movies first intention, why the hell did they change that? Sounds much better than what we're gonna get.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 09, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
- Spoiler
Does anybody of the survivors try on that suit in the end of the film? How does it turn out that the suit is intended for the humans?
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No. Random technician. Not really sure how to answer that second part though.
Quote- Any predator weapon/gadget used by humans other than Traeger's shoulder cannon?
Spoiler
McKenna and Bracket use the cloaking ball. McKenna also uses the Upgrade arm sythe launcher thing and that was pretty cool.
Quote- Do we know how Fugitive gets those scratches on his first mask?
Spoiler
The Crash.
Quote- Do the main heroes return to Stargazer lab after the event of Fugitive's escape? If yes, why?
Spoiler
No.
Quote- Communication between human and Predator? Spoiler
Is the translator device in the final film?
Spoiler
They don't communicate. Stargazer did rig up a translation matrix and the Upgrade uses it to tell everyone he's gonna f**k them up.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2018, 11:04:49 AM
If that really was the movies first intention, why the hell did they change that? Sounds much better than what we're gonna get.
I assume because of the negative reactions regarding it.
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 08, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
For oversensitive people, probably yes.
For example I'm not oversensitive and I've read the ending. :)
Believe me, it's total stupid, bad idea implemented in the film. You won't like it, I'm sure.
No fans will like it...no fans.
I know what the element of controversy is, and i don't like it either. It feels totally forced. Despite that, like i said earlier, it doesn't change the lore deeply forever. It doesn't change what the predator is initially, and that would've been the worst for me.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 08, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Spoiler
If fugitive came to earth to give us a weapon, why is he slaughtering government soldiers? shouldn't he be surrendering and telling them about what's coming?
Spoiler
Government soldiers. That's the key part in your question.
They attack him, take his gear and capture him. The focus is on the intention. And...you know...he is a Predator...and likes hunting. That's just what I think but I have not seen the movie yet.
Now...McKenna and his team...is a more interesting question. Because they "meet" Fugitive accidentally. They don't need to be slaughtered if we see Fugitive's good/friendly intention about giving that suit/armor to the humans.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Spoiler
Not really sure how to answer that second part though.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I meant that
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how can we know that Fugitive wants to give it to the humans? Why couldn't it be his armor maybe? Or an other Predator's gear he stole...
Somebody (maybe Traeger?) states that it is for humans?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Spoiler
No.
Then what did
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that 'Assassin's attack on Stargazer lab/base' mean? Was it totally cut out from the final version?
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 09, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I meant that Spoiler
how can we know that Fugitive wants to give it to the humans? Why couldn't it be his armor maybe? Or an other Predator's gear he stole...
Somebody (maybe Traeger?) states that it is for humans?
It's another one of those "what" moments I had. Unless I missed something, it's not addressed and it's just what the characters say.
Quote
Then what did Spoiler
that 'Assassin's attack on Stargazer lab/base' mean? Was it totally cut out from the final version?
Oh, it was a
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field lab set up around Fugitive's ship.
Sorry to keep asking, But can someone confirm if the fugitive's Pred vision sounds are the same as P1 and P2 or have they changed it yet again?
I hear a lot of complaints that Upgrade dies to easily. How easily could he be defeated? He's a hulking beefcake with armored skin. Do they use predator weapons to take him out?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 09, 2018, 06:42:29 PM
I hear a lot of complaints that Upgrade dies to easily. How easily could he be defeated? He's a hulking beefcake with armored skin. Do they use predator weapons to take him out?
In all the craziness over the ending, even I completely forgot to ask whether upgrade still dies or gets away. Oh, and who was Holbrook addressing with the come and get us line?
That line isn't in the movie apparently.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 09, 2018, 06:42:29 PM
I hear a lot of complaints that Upgrade dies to easily. How easily could he be defeated? He's a hulking beefcake with armored skin. Do they use predator weapons to take him out?
I haven't seen the movie yet but as far as I know Assassin is defeated the same way as described in the script.
And I think it wasn't so easy...
Not followed the film (consciously) for a whike now; but did read the first draft.
Keep seeing people talking about "the ending", and was wondering what's up with the ending?
Could someone in the know put it in a spoiler for me, please? (Thanks in advance!)
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 09, 2018, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 09, 2018, 06:42:29 PM
I hear a lot of complaints that Upgrade dies to easily. How easily could he be defeated? He's a hulking beefcake with armored skin. Do they use predator weapons to take him out?
I haven't seen the movie yet but as far as I know Assassin is defeated the same way as described in the script.
And I think it wasn't so easy...
I haven't seen the movie, but like Xerxész said, it wouldn't be surprising if they kept how it occurred in the script. No one has mentioned otherwise.
Spoiler
The Upgrade is attacked essentially from three different angles: Holbrook, Munn, and the kid.
But do they attack him with predator weapons?
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 09, 2018, 07:36:12 PM
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The Upgrade is attacked essentially from three different angles: Holbrook, Munn, and the kid.
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But - for me at least - it wasn't clear that the 3 attacks were at the same time.
I think not.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 09, 2018, 07:48:04 PM
But do they attack him with predator weapons?
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Well...actually yes...all 3 humans use a kind of Predator tech/weapon to take down Assassin, but the final killer shot comes from McKenna's sniper rifle.
For those who saw it, how was the Fugitive Escape scenes in the Stargazer lab? I feel like those scenes are definitely the highlight of the film.
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And did they keep the part in the script where the Fugitive cuts off that scientist's head and use it to get through the door and mimic his voice?
Can someone who has seen it or knows please tell me what Yvonne Strahovski's role is like exactly and what happens to her, lives/dies so on.
Quote from: Fleming on Sep 09, 2018, 11:56:02 PM
Can someone who has seen it or knows please tell me what Yvonne Strahovski's role is like exactly and what happens to her, lives/dies so on.
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I haven't seen it, so things may have changed, but doubtful they have. She had a very minor role in the script - the weary mother - and had several scenes protecting her son against people (Stargazer peeps?) She didn't die in the script.
Yeah I did see the script at the time so was wondering if its changed. She is my favorite actress of all time so really eager to find out what happens with her in the film.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 08, 2018, 10:57:10 PM
I find it rather ironic that I was right all along, and rather than being human and saying elder I'm sorry I doubted you, you would rather throw mud because you cannot accept you are wrong. Some community.
Oh Lord, you are a fan of a hideous alien with the face of a vagina who kills humans for sport..... it's a sci fi action movie, not Shakespeare.... get over yourself...man of taste :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Enough please. We're not here to attack each other.
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QuoteDate night with hubby! Watched a early premiere of the Predator movie and let me just say it was AMAZING!!! I was so wrapped up in the movie and surprisingly I spent a big chunk CRACKING UP! lots of action of course but the funny parts were HILARIOUS! I enjoyed this more than expected! I recommend big time! Oh yeah, and no big deal, he made an appearance🤷🏼♀️😂😱 ps I have free tickets for tomorrow early premiere... anyone?
Man my exictement for seeing this movie has been replaced with just wanting Wed to come so i can be put out my misery of wondering weather its good or bad.
Never seen such a split opinion over a movie, people are praising it and slating it simultaneously i just can't get my head around it.
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
Man my exictement for seeing this movie has been replaced with just wanting Wed to come so i can be put out my misery of wondering weather its good or bad.
Never seen such a split opinion over a movie, people are praising it and slating it simultaneously i just can't get my head around it.
It's still getting better review then the "Predator 2" at that time)
Should be seeing this in the next few days
Very true, and I really do enjoy Predator 2, just need to wait and make up my own mind I guess .
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
Man my exictement for seeing this movie has been replaced with just wanting Wed to come so i can be put out my misery of wondering weather its good or bad.
Never seen such a split opinion over a movie, people are praising it and slating it simultaneously i just can't get my head around it.
It's still getting better review then the "Predator 2" at that time)
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 01:21:36 PM
Very true, and I really do enjoy Predator 2, just need to wait and make up my own mind I guess .
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
Man my exictement for seeing this movie has been replaced with just wanting Wed to come so i can be put out my misery of wondering weather its good or bad.
Never seen such a split opinion over a movie, people are praising it and slating it simultaneously i just can't get my head around it.
It's still getting better review then the "Predator 2" at that time)
Agree! Predator 2 is my favorite, but it got demolished once it's premiered. I can even say that Predator 2 already killed franchise, because it took 20 years for another installment in the franchise (not counting AvP)
I have an important question for Hicks...
Could you please sum up roughly what's missing from the trailers/tv spots in the final movie ? I guess it's mainly the apc/army scenes, the "come and get us" scene also.
It's mostly for us to not be disappointed in waiting for a scene that won't be in the movie ;)
That I can recall without going and re-watching all the trailers - Traeger's little "acquisitions" speech.
I would be grateful if someone could answer this. The dog scene, the one where it jumps, is it still in the movie?
I may be in the vast minority but I really dig those dog designs and I don't care how "unscientific" they look it's just a movie.
Dog's are all still there.
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He's the BBC Radio 1 films critic.
Just make the directors cut Shane....
QuoteBut you feel the editor's scissors everywhere and often scenes don't connect
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
:'(
It's like I've been saying.
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 10, 2018, 03:20:43 PM
Just make the directors cut Shane....
I really hope we do get a Director's Cut or Assembly Edit or something like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 03:08:48 PM
Dog's are all still there.
How did you feel about the dogs in the end? We're they a welcome addition to the plot, or were they as hokey/ridiculous as they appeared in the months leading up to showings?
"editor's scissors everywhere" - this is what I most criticize! :(
I'm afraid to be very disappointed. Sorry, but i'm gonna miss this film
Thank you Fox! :'(
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 10, 2018, 03:20:43 PM
Just make the directors cut Shane....
They seriously need to. Who the hell thought it was such a great idea to do so many private screenings and take
every single complaint into consideration. Not everyone is going to like everything they see but if they do it decently and it flows with the story they are telling, then why the hell not? 😑😒
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
https://twitter.com/AliPlumb/status/1039170535580684288
He's the BBC Radio 1 films critic.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly after seeing it. Though it was a long night and I could use a second viewing.
This is going to be the next "Synder Cut" fiasco. Do keep in mind the original version wasn't finished and they likely won't ever spend the money to do so.
Quote from: germanator2 on Sep 09, 2018, 10:54:17 PM
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And did they keep the part in the script where the Fugitive cuts off that scientist's head and use it to get through the door and mimic his voice?
That would interest me as well.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 10, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
QuoteBut you feel the editor's scissors everywhere and often scenes don't connect
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
:'(
I knew those reshoots were going to screw everything up. I really hope they'll release the alternate version with the hybrids. I mean the test screening didn't like the hybrids but they were cool with.....that thing that shows up at the end of the film? I want the film Black originally had in mind.
They should have done test screenings with just the avpgalaxy's members :P, hell even with just Hicks would be enough for the studio to get the feedback they really needed.
Numerous people on here weren't happy with the film Shane Black was reportedly going to give us originally. Now everyone wants it back :D
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
Numerous people on here weren't happy with the film Shane Black was reportedly going to give us originally. Now everyone wants it back :D
No no... I didn't mean it like that. If I was in that test screening I would say both ideas were bad. I think that most fans know things that are way off for a predator movie or not, I didn't like those hybrids, the friendly predators, the new ending. Can't be that hard to make a predator movie without things that doesn't match with the creatures we saw in the previous movies. It's about alien beings that like hunting humans. It shouldn't go much far from that.
I really don't get the need to make things so different, change so much the predators we know and also add a new super predator for the second goddamn time. Just look at Predator 2, even the avp movies didn't went that off...
I think the issue is not what they took out per se, but how they went about removing those scenes and failing to put the movie back together in a cohesive, fluid way. I don't know if the film is choppy because of the missing plot elements (like the hybrids) or how they changed setting of multiple scenes from day to night, or even that big "spring break" type segment they removed and seemingly failed to replace. Appears to be a multi-faceted issue, not just removing the hybrids - which I think was just one linear chunk of the movie anyway.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 10, 2018, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
Numerous people on here weren't happy with the film Shane Black was reportedly going to give us originally. Now everyone wants it back :D
No no... I didn't mean it like that. If I was in that test screening I would say both ideas were bad. I think that most fans know things that are way off for a predator movie or not, I didn't like those hybrids, the friendly predators, the new ending. Can't be that hard to make a predator movie without things that doesn't match with the creatures we saw in the previous movies. It's about alien beings that like hunting humans. It shouldn't go much far from that.
I really don't get the need to make things so different, change so much the predators we know and also add a new super predator for the second goddamn time. Just look at Predator 2, even the avp movies didn't went that off...
It's all subjective. "
Just look at Predator 2, even the avp movies didn't went that off" For Arnold taking the movie out of jungle to the city is already a big No no for a predator movie. Even though I agree that Shane Black did risk a lot with this movie, everybody has their own limit and tolerance for new ideas, for some body change small thing is a lot, and for another people changing whole lore isn't much of a difference. I think it's really hard to find what is the golden line for changes, where new viewers and fans will be entertained equally. ;)
There are so many way they could have told this history without:
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The crazy hybrids, super upgraded 10 foot tall predator, human-predator teamups, nano suit for humans made by predators, turning predator into generic alien invaders who want to take over Earth. Can't believe those writers get paid to do this crap.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
It's all subjective. " Just look at Predator 2, even the avp movies didn't went that off" For Arnold taking the movie out of jungle to the city is already a big No no for a predator movie.
My issues are mostly related to the portrayal of the creature. Predator 2 did nothing wrong in regards to that to me. AVP added some things I didn't like. AVPR just followed AVP but focused more on action than in predator history so whatever. The Predator just did way too much for the creature for me. Arnie was probably more focused on the movie overall than the portrayal of the creature plus wasn't he working on Terminator 2? Normally I hear he turned down Predator for Terminator, so there is that. He made so many bad movies, can't believe he would turn down Predator 2 solely for being set on a city considering how he didn't have a problem with the other movies he was a part of. Maybe there were other reasons.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
Even though I agree that Shane Black did risk a lot with this movie, everybody has their own limit and tolerance for new ideas, for some body change small thing is a lot, and for another people changing whole lore isn't much of a difference.
Yeah, the creatures's lore is where I have the least tolerance.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
I think it's really hard to find what is the golden line for changes, where new viewers and fans will be entertained equally. ;)
I think taking out the controversial stuff would contribute to everyone. Even others I know who only saw a few predator movies think the new stuff looks stupid.
Either they go somewhere different and get told they changed to much and ruined the lore, or they give us essentially the first movie in a different location or time and people say they made a safe choice and added nothing new.
Fandom doesn't even know what it wants. They just want the opposite of what they get.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 10, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
Even though I agree that Shane Black did risk a lot with this movie, everybody has their own limit and tolerance for new ideas, for some body change small thing is a lot, and for another people changing whole lore isn't much of a difference.
Yeah, the creatures's lore is where I have the least tolerance.
Hard same. There's a lot I can get over but the lore and the portrayal of the predators are what's most important to me.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
Fandom doesn't even know what it wants. They just want the opposite of what they get.
That can be a frustrating feeling, but fandom isn't a monolith. It's made up of countless different people with myriad different opinions. It's inevitable there's not going to be a total consensus on anything.
I think you could have easily made essentially a rehash of the first film and just put it in a different setting and create great characters and some awesome set pieces and we'd have been happy. Basically just Mad Max Fury Road it. Simple premise, great set pieces and characters.
I applaud Black for trying to do something new and expand the lore. I think you could do something simple and still include things like different breeds of Predators, but he went for it and unfortunately it looks like it didn't pan out how people wanted it too.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
they give us essentially the first movie in a different location or time and people say they made a safe choice and added nothing new.
That's pretty much how Predator 2 and Predators handled this and yet they did add more to the predator species and their culture, we got to know more about them.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 06:02:44 PM
I think you could do something simple and still include things like different breeds of Predators, but he went for it and unfortunately it looks like it didn't pan out how people wanted it too.
The whole different breed of predator, wolves vs dogs thing on Predators didn't bother me, I don't mind adding new stuff, just on how they do it and if it gets off character for a predator. My main problem on Predators was on how the classic was just there to be used to get killed by the Berserker, the whole plot with Royce releasing him was worthless, did nothing, the ship got blown, the predator got dead. I would have even prefered if classic and Royce teamed up against Berserker over that.
Having a civil wars between 2 races of predators is new and acceptable for me, the issue is how they handle it. Trashing the original creature or making a 10 foot tall predator doesn't seem like a good way of handling the idea.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 10, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
Fandom doesn't even know what it wants.
Maybe some fans get a little conflited over what they truly want but most know for sure what they really don't want on a predator or alien movie and that is shared by most. Like how many of us wanted David to be resposible the alien's creation or for the crash on LV-426, for him to be original space jockey?(That might actually happen depending on Ridley's mood)
How many of us wanted The Predator's ending and a sequel to follow those footsteps? I doubt many.
I'd like it just to see how insane it goes.
That, or just dissect the suit's technology to upgrade our own world and technology.
Giving the Predator a futuristic environment to play in.
Normally I prefer to leave insanity to the comics.
So do we get to see Stargazer capture Fugitive? did he let himself get captured like in the script? Seems kinda dumb to let himself get captured if he had no idea they were going to keep him alive.
I saw it.
It's very bad. The one positive standout is the comedy with the ensemble cast.
This is starting to sound like a movie that would've been better received as one of the novels instead.
Is there a chance to use a different ending for the theatrical release after the huge backlash it`s receiving ?
Or it`s too late for this train ...
No chance, not at this point.
Please share all your personal reviews for the film in this new thread: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60524.0
Thanks :)