Kotaku has recently interviewed Gearbox CEO about the upcoming Aliens: Colonial Marines videogame. This time Randy Pitchford talks about Gearbox’s approach to the story and how the studio plans to explain the inconsistencies between Aliens and Alien 3. Be aware of spoilers.
“One of the things we’re really proud about is that there were some things that fans like us always believed were inconsistencies between Alien3 and Aliens,” Pitchford said, “But as we dig into it, as we work with filmmakers and kind of understand it all and think about it from a logic problem point of view, there is actually a truth there that makes more sense. When we are able to use it to stitch it together, Alien3 is actually a better movie.”
You can read the full article on Kotaku.
Quote"The actual game is pretty lethal. The skill test is anticipating or reacting. If you are good at anticipating and reacting you will be killing lots of xenos and you will be effective at it. You have the tools to do it. But when they get you, they frickin' get you. You'll die. You'll die a lot. I don't know if we're as far as Dark Souls. We're still tuning it, but it's going to be pretty brutal."
Quote from: ikarop on May 04, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
"If you ask Ridley, he'll tell you he's certainly borrowed things from the universe... He's not developing it as true canon. There are some inconsistencies that he accepted in order for his film to be the good story he wanted to tell there. To the extent that it is part of the Aliens universe, it's prequel material. We're sequel material.
QuoteAt the beginning of Alien3 something happened. We never knew what or why. But something caused them to be ejected from the Sulaco and they ended up on this prison planet.
QuoteMenacing corporation that sets up Hadley's Hope and wants to retrieve alien queen embryo would obviously track down the Sulaco and search it.
QuoteVideo games tend to have higher body counts than even the most violent movies, which relegates many movie-related bad guys in games to cannon fodder. But Gearbox doesn't want to turn the fearsome xenomorphs of Alien and Alien3 into easily-swattable bugs. "We're going to need to defeat some things but we are also going to need to feel the deadliness of them," Pitchford said. "The actual game is pretty lethal. The skill test is anticipating or reacting. If you are good at anticipating and reacting you will be killing lots of xenos and you will be effective at it. You have the tools to do it. But when they get you, they frickin' get you. You'll die. You'll die a lot.
QuoteI thought I knew the movies well, but much of what Pitchford told me here went over my head the first time. Hadley's Hope? That was were Newt lived, right? (Right.) The Derelict? We never really saw much of that, just glimpses, right?
QuoteThis is a sequel that matters. That's clear. Hopefully, it is one worthy of the films it ties together.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2012, 08:40:05 PM
I must say the game looks pretty good. Really happy to see they added Giger Aliens to the broth and that the body size of the Aliens is way better than before. I really hope they will make this game ridiculously hard since every single Warrior in the game should more or less be a near-death-experience. The only cannonfodder enemy class in the game should be eggs/facehuggers.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 04, 2012, 10:33:57 PM:P Indeed. Maybe he never saw the movies at all.QuoteI thought I knew the movies well, but much of what Pitchford told me here went over my head the first time. Hadley's Hope? That was were Newt lived, right? (Right.) The Derelict? We never really saw much of that, just glimpses, right?
Oh, journalists... Your ability to be easily impressed is almost endearing. :)
Quote from: SM on May 04, 2012, 11:37:29 PM
I hope they're good game designers, because as storytellers they don't have a f**king clue...
And to insinuate their game makes Alien3 a better film - kinda arrogant to be honest. Especially based on what they've said so far, which is sub fan-fic quality.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on May 05, 2012, 02:29:29 AMThe point is that some people are being hyper critical of gearbox for things that were out of their control, without even having played the game yet.
That's not the point; the point is that they're contradicting themselves with their own stupid inconsistencies.
Quote from: SuperM on May 05, 2012, 02:25:26 AMAlien3 isn't crap and I'm sorry you feel that it is.
alien3 is crap get over it, this game will make it better.
QuoteThe point is that some people are being hyper critical of gearbox for things that were out of their control, without even having played the game yet.
Quote from: ikarop on May 04, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
<p><a href="http://kotaku.com/5907653/the-authorized-story-of-the-next-aliens-video-game-will-change-the-way-we-see-aliens-and-alien-3">Kotaku</a> has recently interviewed Gearbox CEO about the upcoming Aliens: Colonial Marines videogame. This time Randy Pitchford talks about Gearbox's approach to the story and how the studio plans to explain the inconsistencies between Aliens and Alien 3. Be aware of spoilers.</p><p><em>"One of the things we're really proud about is that there were some things that fans like us always believed were inconsistencies between Alien3 and Aliens," Pitchford said, "But as we dig into it, as we work with filmmakers and kind of understand it all and think about it from a logic problem point of view, there is actually a truth there that makes more sense. When we are able to use it to stitch it together, Alien3 is actually a better movie."</em></p><p><!--more--></p><p><strong>Full article:</strong><em> The next Aliens video game counts. It's canon. And the people who are making it think it might finally solve some key mysteries in the film—and even make the films a bit better.</em></p><p><em>"It's all connected together," Randy Pitchford, head of Gearbox Software said to me recently, as we sat down in a convention hall in Boston to chat about Aliens: Colonial Marines, the big new game his team has been working on for several years.</em></p><p><em>The Authorized Story of the Next Aliens Video Game Will Change the Way We See Aliens and Alien3. Just before we chatted, another Gearbox developer had played an early part of Colonial Marines in front of me, blowing my mind a bit as he controlled a post-Aliens space Marine boarding the massive Sulaco. You might remember that ship from Aliens as the final battleground between an angry alien queen and a furious, mech-driving Ellen Ripley. The Marine was a member of a battalion that will be featured in the new game. He's attached to a recovery crew that links their ship to that huge, famous ship, the USS Sulaco. The Sulaco is floating in space above LV426, the planetoid on which much of James Cameron's Aliens and its predecessor, Ridley Scott's Alien, occurred.</em></p><p><em>The Marine heads into the loading bay, where the bottom half of the android Bishop lies, last seen when the alien queen ripped him apart at the end of Aliens. In this early bit, our Marine chats with some of the other recovery personnel in the bay. He heads past some monitors that just might hold hints to what really happened—what moviegoers were never told—to Ripley, Hicks and Newt between Aliens and Alien3. That's still a big question. What did happen on the Sulaco between the movie that ended with those three in cryo sleep and the next, which left two of them dead and Ripley, impregnated by Alien, ejected from the Sulaco onto the prison planet of Fury 161?</em></p><p><em>The Prometheus Connection Trailers for Ridley Scott's Prometheus movie have shown what appears to be the Derelict ship from Alien but the filmmaker has been cagey about how neatly his new movie fits into Alien lore. "On the one hand, you can feel the DNA of the Aliens franchise in it," Pitchford said of the upcoming movie. "If you ask Ridley, he'll tell you he's certainly borrowed things from the universe... He's not developing it as true canon. There are some inconsistencies that he accepted in order for his film to be the good story he wanted to tell there. To the extent that it is part of the Aliens universe, it's prequel material. We're sequel material. Having said that, the endpoint of our adventure is the Derelict which is also the starting point on LV-426 with the Space Jockeys. There is a bit of a link there."</em></p><p><em>"To make the sequel to Aliens as a video game was our prerequisite," Pitchford told me, grinning. And the studio behind the movies, 20th Century Fox, obliged. "The commitment they made was, 'Yes borrow the franchise for the purpose of doing the next story in the succession of those storylines.'"</em></p><p><em>While Pitchford stresses that his team "wants to tell a new story" and won't re-tell the films, he can't help but have the game intersect. We will board the Sulaco; we will be joined by a synthetic who was the same model as Bishop and will therefore look like and be voiced by Bishop actor Lance Henriksen; we will head down to LV426; we will check out the ruins of ruins of Hadley's Hope, the human colony set up by the Weyland-Yutani corporation after the first Alien and whose residents were annihilated by the aliens just before Aliens begins. Those aliens came from the mysterious Derelict, the space-ship seemingly driven by something called the Space Jockey and filled with alien eggs, as seen in Alien.</em></p><p><em>"We don't treat the fan-service as the point," Pitchford said. "It's not the center of it, but it's there." It's there because Aliens: Colonial Marines really does sound like the logical tale of what would happen next. It's a shooter but it is seemingly also going to be a detective story.</em><br /><em>How it all fits together</em></p><p><em>Pitchford and his team have a very good grasp on Alien series lore. They've absorbed the films, spoken to Ridley Scott, discovered back-stories that didn't make it into the films and identified what's canonical. They know What Happened and that helped them shape their story.</em></p><p><em>Here's Pitchford, with some asides from me, walking me through the fiction of Aliens and Alien3 while zeroing in on the mysteries he hopes to help players solve with the new game.</em></p><p><em>"At the end of Aliens, Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop go to sleep and are presumably going home. At the beginning of Alien3 something happened. We never knew what or why. But something caused them to be ejected from the Sulaco and they ended up on this prison planet.</em></p><p><em>"The Sulaco is there at the prison planet." [Note from Stephen: Right? It's definitely not over LV426, which is where it appears to be in the start of Colonial Marines. Logically, it'd be near the planet it ejected Ripley onto.]</em></p><p><em>"Everything that Ripley dealt with on the prison planet ends with her martyring herself as Weyland-Yutani is trying to collect the specimen." [Note from Stephen: That's the end of Alien3, of course.]</em></p><p><em>"Weyland-Yutani actually ... boarded the Sulaco." [Note from Stephen: I did not know this, but it makes sense. Menacing corporation that sets up Hadley's Hope and wants to retrieve alien queen embryo would obviously track down the Sulaco and search it.]</em></p><p><em> No Easy Bug-Hunt Video games tend to have higher body counts than even the most violent movies, which relegates many movie-related bad guys in games to cannon fodder. But Gearbox doesn't want to turn the fearsome xenomorphs of Alien and Alien3 into easily-swattable bugs. "We're going to need to defeat some things but we are also going to need to feel the deadliness of them," Pitchford said. "The actual game is pretty lethal. The skill test is anticipating or reacting. If you are good at anticipating and reacting you will be killing lots of xenos and you will be effective at it. You have the tools to do it. But when they get you, they frickin' get you. You'll die. You'll die a lot. I don't know if we're as far as Dark Souls. We're still tuning it, but it's going to be pretty brutal."</em></p><p><em>"Something happened before that Ripley doesn't know about that led to the ejection [from the Sulaco.]. If Weyland-Yutani can't get the specimen from Ripley, and they are on the ship, what would their next step be? It would be to turn the ship around and go back to the source, LV426.</em></p><p><em>"So the Sulaco gets back to LV426. Now, [in the game], we're part of the contingent that's the rescue crew. Remember, Ripley asks how long before we're overdue can we expect a rescue and Hicks says 17 days. And Hudson says something like, '17 days? We're not going to last 17 hours, man.' That creates the opening for the ship that's going to go deal with the fact that something happened. Now the Sulaco is reported destroyed. They didn't send it in 17 days, but they are going to investigate. 17 weeks later, Weyland-Yutani has had plenty of time on LV426.</em></p><p><em>"Now, LV426 is actually a moon around a ring planet. It's actually not a planet itself. But it's a big one. It's a shake-n-bake colony, so there's a bit of an atmosphere. The atmosphere processor blew [Note from Stephen: during Aliens]. That is about 3 kilometers away is where Hadley's Hope is, and it's taken a lot of damage because that was about a 40 megaton blast. About 1000 kilometers away from that is where the derelict was. That's the big ship that had all the eggs in Alien.</em></p><p><em>In this deleted scene from Aliens, a family of colonists from Hadley's Hope inspects the Derelict crash site and makes first, terrible contact with the aliens. We'll be heading out there in the new game.</em></p><p><em>"We know where Alien begins, there's a Derelict on this alien planet and we also know from Aliens that, when they finally found Ripley and Burke sent a report, that got the colonists out to see what is this. [They were told:] 'Go to this grid point, see what's there.' And that's when they stumbled into the eggs and that's when Hadley's Hope was taken over."</em></p><p><em>I thought I knew the movies well, but much of what Pitchford told me here went over my head the first time. Hadley's Hope? That was were Newt lived, right? (Right.) The Derelict? We never really saw much of that, just glimpses, right? (Right.) But the more I thought about it all, the more I looked over what Pitchford told me, the more neatly it all clicked together.</em></p><p><em>Trailer for Gearsbox's Aliens: Colonial Marines which is slated for a late 2012 release on the Xbox 360, PS3, PC, Wii U</em><br /><em>"One of the things we're really proud about is that there were some things that fans like us always believed were inconsistencies between Alien3 and Aliens," Pitchford said, "But as we dig into it, as we work with filmmakers and kind of understand it all and think about it from a logic problem point of view, there is actually a truth there that makes more sense. When we are able to use it to stitch it together, Alien3 is actually a better movie."</em></p><p><em>This is a sequel that matters. That's clear. Hopefully, it is one worthy of the films it ties together.</em></p><p><a href="http://www.avpgalaxy.net/?p=11493">Link To Post</a>
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2012, 09:24:07 PMHow do you know the facehugger isn't new?
Perhaps they should have taken shelter with the zombie facehugger in order to survive the explosion. :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 06, 2012, 12:43:52 AMQuote from: Predaker on May 05, 2012, 09:24:07 PMHow do you know the facehugger isn't new?
Perhaps they should have taken shelter with the zombie facehugger in order to survive the explosion. :)
Just sayin'. :)
Whole lotta people condemning elements that "don't make sense" before they have all the facts.
Quote from: acrediblesource on May 05, 2012, 07:58:11 PMLike Alien, then.
While Aliens just brought a bunch of nervous Marines into a place and things went FUBAR kind of like a b-movie slasher film.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 06, 2012, 12:58:30 AMThat's the funny part, many people don't realize that 'Alien' is essentially a B-movie that (serendipitously) got an A-movie treatment thanks to great design work, directing, and acting.Quote from: acrediblesource on May 05, 2012, 07:58:11 PMLike Alien, then.
While Aliens just brought a bunch of nervous Marines into a place and things went FUBAR kind of like a b-movie slasher film.
Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 02:27:18 AM
No. This in no way will make alien 3 "better". Nothing will ever make a movie about a bunch of pathetic prisoners better. Maybe it will clear up a few things about the beggining, and that's all fine and dandy, but it still won't make it better.
QuoteIf someone said to me, "hey, we are going to release a monster into a prison loaded with a bunch of murders and rapists and your supposed to care about the people", I would have replied with, "go ahead, I'll enjoy watching garbage die, but I don't care one bit about them".
Quote from: Mechafist on May 06, 2012, 03:08:58 AM
Alien 3 isn't a bad movie it's quite entertain, of course its nothing compared with Alien and Aliens master pieces but there is still some epic moments in this movie and this moments make the movie very entertain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKY7ZFabTq8
What Gearbox is trying to say is that Alien 3 will be "better explained" and this of course will make the movie better at last for me :P.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 06, 2012, 08:11:21 AMIt depends on the hbo show.Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 02:27:18 AM
No. This in no way will make alien 3 "better". Nothing will ever make a movie about a bunch of pathetic prisoners better. Maybe it will clear up a few things about the beggining, and that's all fine and dandy, but it still won't make it better.
I see that you didn't get or don't care about the symbolisms and themes of the film then. I agree however that there is nothing Gearbox can do to make Alien 3 better except for explaining the whereabouts of the mysterious egg in the beginning.QuoteIf someone said to me, "hey, we are going to release a monster into a prison loaded with a bunch of murders and rapists and your supposed to care about the people", I would have replied with, "go ahead, I'll enjoy watching garbage die, but I don't care one bit about them".
I take it that you you're not a big fan of HBO shows either.Quote from: Mechafist on May 06, 2012, 03:08:58 AM
Alien 3 isn't a bad movie it's quite entertain, of course its nothing compared with Alien and Aliens master pieces but there is still some epic moments in this movie and this moments make the movie very entertain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKY7ZFabTq8
What Gearbox is trying to say is that Alien 3 will be "better explained" and this of course will make the movie better at last for me :P.
I can't for the love of god see how "explaining" the egg thing will make Alien 3 a better movie. Please explain that to me.
And btw. Alien 3 is light-years better than Aliens if you ask me and right behind Alien if you ask me. Really don't get the Aliens hype and frankly it is starting to annoy the hell out of me because it is not uncommon that it is followed up by how "bad" Alien 3 is.
Quote from: Mechafist on May 06, 2012, 03:08:58 AM
Alien 3 isn't a bad movie it's quite entertain, of course its nothing compared with Alien and Aliens master pieces but there is still some epic moments in this movie and this moments make the movie very entertain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKY7ZFabTq8
What Gearbox is trying to say is that Alien 3 will be "better explained" and this of course will make the movie better at last for me :P.
Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 12:20:19 PM
It depends on the hbo show.
Just because in alien 3 they "found God" doesn't mean I should magically start caring about these monsters (the cast). The one character besides ripley that was like able was Clemens, and they killed him midway.
QuoteAs for alien3 being a far better film then aliens, your are entitled to your own opinion. The alien 3 being called an underrated movie really annoys the hell out of me ;D
QuoteAlien and aliens are considered by many, fans and just general movie goers, as instant classics both highly rated. Alien 3 is not. Not by a long shot.
QuoteIts back to Alien-status, that is to say, the derelict is there with no atmosphere. Thats the whole f**king reason Dallas' crew were wearing space-suits.
Quote from: Iceycold on May 06, 2012, 11:35:19 PMIt can be. Fox evidently thinks it is.
Then he's saying that this game is canon on the level of the Alien movies.
It's not.
Quote from: Iceycold on May 06, 2012, 11:35:19 PM
Bless him, Pitchford really does talk shit when he opens his mouth.
One minute he's trying desperately to convince us that Duke Nukem was an excellent game.
It wasn't.
Then he's saying that this game is canon on the level of the Alien movies.
It's not.
Then he's saying that Ridley Scott's Prometheus isn't in the same canon.
It is; Scott publicly stated that the film wasn't a prequel (by some definitions, I assume he means) but would take place in the same universe.
As for making Alien 3 a better movie...you'd have to give it a different opening, introduce sympathetic characters, and lose the grim, emo, immature nihilism that forms the bedrock of the film.
...unlikely.
Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 02:27:18 AM
No. This in no way will make alien 3 "better". Nothing will ever make a movie about a bunch of pathetic prisoners better. Maybe it will clear up a few things about the beggining, and that's all fine and dandy, but it still won't make it better.
If someone said to me, "hey, we are going to release a monster into a prison loaded with a bunch of murders and rapists and your supposed to care about the people", I would have replied with, "go ahead, I'll enjoy watching garbage die, but I don't care one bit about them".
Somehow, it's still better then resurrection.
But to get back on topic, I am still looking forward to the game, but I have a bad feeling it will be mediocre like the last avp game. As for explaining the egg from alien 3, it will be interesting to see how that is handled.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 03:56:35 AM
Problem with including stories in a canon based on 'merit' or if they're 'good' is that it's too subjective.
What's really needed is for stories to be commissioned to fit within the existing established framework and continuity - and hopefully be good as well.
That generally doesn't happen with Alien.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 04:39:10 AM
I can't honestly see them writing off the main source material - ie. the films - in order to accommodate novels and video games.
Fox have gone this long not caring about continuity and short of Prometheus doing Avatar style business, I can't imagine that changing any time soon.
QuoteBut if Fox doesn't care about canon, why should we?
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 06:37:49 AMWell they do, they have a licensing department that handles it. Multiple licensees have spoken of it over the years
"Kinda" obviously doesn't cut it. Otherwise they'd have someone on quality control.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 08:18:55 AMQuote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 06:37:49 AMWell they do, they have a licensing department that handles it. Multiple licensees have spoken of it over the years
"Kinda" obviously doesn't cut it. Otherwise they'd have someone on quality control.
Just because it doesn't meet your personal standards doesn't mean they don't have standards at all, or don't care. The mere fact that stuff has to pass by their licensing department (and according to licensees, sometimes gets rejected) and the fact that they take the time to say "yes, this is canon" shows that they do care. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother saying anything at all.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 07, 2012, 08:40:35 AMI really don't know what to say.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 08:18:55 AMQuote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 06:37:49 AMWell they do, they have a licensing department that handles it. Multiple licensees have spoken of it over the years
"Kinda" obviously doesn't cut it. Otherwise they'd have someone on quality control.
Just because it doesn't meet your personal standards doesn't mean they don't have standards at all, or don't care. The mere fact that stuff has to pass by their licensing department (and according to licensees, sometimes gets rejected) and the fact that they take the time to say "yes, this is canon" shows that they do care. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother saying anything at all.
The problem is you're asking a bunch of incompetent people to decide about art.
And we've all see where this "standards" can lead (AVP&AVP-R).
They got greenlight, they got approved and are considered by FOX as the same universe since there are direct connection with Weyland & Yutani.
And dare to tell me we can take this as a Standard and strong base for the Alien universe... I dare you.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 10:27:57 AMAnd in the end that doesn't really matter - we can pigeonhole their reasons for what they said, but it doesn't actually change the fact that they said it.
If Fox Licensing cared about anything other than revenues, then they'd actually make an effort to keep everything straight, with the films or other licensed media.
But the simple fact is they don't and never have.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 10:29:40 AMQuote from: Le Celticant on May 07, 2012, 08:40:35 AMI really don't know what to say.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 08:18:55 AMQuote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 06:37:49 AMWell they do, they have a licensing department that handles it. Multiple licensees have spoken of it over the years
"Kinda" obviously doesn't cut it. Otherwise they'd have someone on quality control.
Just because it doesn't meet your personal standards doesn't mean they don't have standards at all, or don't care. The mere fact that stuff has to pass by their licensing department (and according to licensees, sometimes gets rejected) and the fact that they take the time to say "yes, this is canon" shows that they do care. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother saying anything at all.
The problem is you're asking a bunch of incompetent people to decide about art.
And we've all see where this "standards" can lead (AVP&AVP-R).
They got greenlight, they got approved and are considered by FOX as the same universe since there are direct connection with Weyland & Yutani.
And dare to tell me we can take this as a Standard and strong base for the Alien universe... I dare you.
Fox considers them canon, some other people do as well (myself included). But no one is forcing you to accept them as canon, so what's the problem?
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 06, 2012, 03:21:00 PMOh yeah, it has some really great moments. But when someone dies, I just don't care, at all. Which is sad, because in my opinion, you should care about the cast of characters.[/quote]Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 12:20:19 PM
It depends on the hbo show.
Just because in alien 3 they "found God" doesn't mean I should magically start caring about these monsters (the cast). The one character besides ripley that was like able was Clemens, and they killed him midway.
HBO shows are usually teeming with "monsters" and "garbage" who more than not are the main-characters of each show. A perfect example here would be the HBO classic OZ, where every single character is more or less the worst that society and mankind created. Yet you cared for a lot of them because in the end they were only people with really fawked up lives trying to survive in a prison. And just as you started to understand and sympathize with some character, he was killed by one of the inmates. All the nice prison guards and prison staff quit their job, got killed or were fired only to be replaced by some really sadistic and/or corrupt megalomaniac. That was an excellent show and I know that I'm not the only one who appreciated it.
QuoteAs for alien3 being a far better film then aliens, your are entitled to your own opinion. The alien 3 being called an underrated movie really annoys the hell out of me ;D
That was not a respond to your post but to Mechafist's post.
Well, it is an underrated movie no matter whether you love Alien 3 or hate it. The reason I say that is due to the kind of mass psychosis chain-reaction that entailed its release. The almost zealously negative criticism it received, at least here in the US, was out of proportion and the years of Alien 3 bashing that followed was just as ridiculous. I know a lot of people have grown up with Aliens and had their first proverbial non-sexual hard-on when they watched Aliens the first time (me included!), so by snuffing Hix n' N00t, nixing guns altogether, bringing back the solitaire Alien, which in this installation was hunting down bald Brits in a run-down prison facility, was like being bitch-slapped followed by a kick in the groin. The logical response to this was of course to declare that Alien 3 must be the worst movie ever made from the day it was shot all the way till the end of time! Of course times have changed and more and more people have started to realize that maybe it isn't as bad as Aliens fans and critics have wanted us to think. It is different than Aliens, yes, but that doesn't make it a bad movie, it just makes it a different movie.QuoteAlien and aliens are considered by many, fans and just general movie goers, as instant classics both highly rated. Alien 3 is not. Not by a long shot.
Well, general movie goers want some good old Hollywood entertainment and that's about it. What I'm saying is that the general movie goer would rate the Transformers movies higher than let's say Eric Rohmer's Six Moral Tales...
Aliens is highly rated, yes, and Alien 3 not so much. The reason behind this is that Cameron is Hollywood's golden boy - everybody loves his stuff - yeah! He knows exactly what fans and the general movie goers want, and here comes his true skill - he knows how to merge the two into movies that are indeed super commercial action movies that don't feel cheap and derivative, something that Michael Bay and Bruckheimer never will be able to do. Kudos to Cameron!
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 07, 2012, 12:25:34 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 10:29:40 AMQuote from: Le Celticant on May 07, 2012, 08:40:35 AMI really don't know what to say.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 08:18:55 AMQuote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 06:37:49 AMWell they do, they have a licensing department that handles it. Multiple licensees have spoken of it over the years
"Kinda" obviously doesn't cut it. Otherwise they'd have someone on quality control.
Just because it doesn't meet your personal standards doesn't mean they don't have standards at all, or don't care. The mere fact that stuff has to pass by their licensing department (and according to licensees, sometimes gets rejected) and the fact that they take the time to say "yes, this is canon" shows that they do care. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother saying anything at all.
The problem is you're asking a bunch of incompetent people to decide about art.
And we've all see where this "standards" can lead (AVP&AVP-R).
They got greenlight, they got approved and are considered by FOX as the same universe since there are direct connection with Weyland & Yutani.
And dare to tell me we can take this as a Standard and strong base for the Alien universe... I dare you.
Fox considers them canon, some other people do as well (myself included). But no one is forcing you to accept them as canon, so what's the problem?Spoiler
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Gearbox is no exception.
They promise, promise, promise and the fan get attracted.
Just like Paul Anderson did, like Robert Rodriguez did, like the Strause Brother did, like Rebellion did.
It's funny because I said exactly the same thing for AVP Requiem, PREDATORS and AVP 2010.
I guess I'm kinda THE shadow of AVP Galaxy :D
I'd rather not expect what Randy is telling us and that's about it.
So for "me" it is already set to not be a sequel to alien, not using all the proper material from the movies and not giving a damn in the word "Science" that is part of Science Fiction.
And no one could ever force me to accept otherwise. :D
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 02:25:01 AMIt's writer said "I killed off Newt because she annoyed me!"
And in all my years I've never heard 'Alien3' referred to as "immature".
First time for everything I guess.
QuoteYou honestly didn't care for Hicks, Newt, or some of the others? You cared more about some rapists? Again, entitled to your own opinion for sure, but it just strikes me as odd is all.
QuoteAs for OZ it was an excellent show. But I think I enjoyed it for other reasons then you. For instance, I never really 'cared' for most of the characters so much as I enjoyed the show because it was like watching a train wreck. Probably the same reason I enjoy watching J.A.I.L. and shows like that.
QuoteI actually do enjoy Alien 3, but like I said, I don't care for most of the characters. For me, there was no redemption for the prisoners of Alien 3.... any chance of that was broken when one stood up and claimed he was a murderer and rapist of women. It doesn't matter if they found god or whatever, there was never going to be sympathy or a feeling that these people can help. I will never forget what I thought when I left the theater in 92 after seeing Alien 3, "Well, that was entertaining, but no where near as good as the first two". Alien 3 is better now, yes, thanks to the "directors cut", but it's still has the same issues for me. Senseless killings of Hicks and Newt and a bunch of characters that are "garbage". I will always wish that A3 went a different direction. IMO.
Quote from: Iceycold on May 07, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
It's writer said "I killed off Newt because she annoyed me!"
That was mature, was it?
QuoteApart from that; A3 is the sort of film pretentious art students make out of sheer dissatisfaction with their own lives. The "happy ending" of Aliens is done away with, replaced with an angsty teen attitude of "life sucks then you die!"
QuoteHeroic, or at least sympathetic or relatable characters are disposed of and replaced by...shock!...murderers and rapists. What a bold move! Oooh, how controversial are we, A3 makers? How cutting edge? But also, because we shouldn't judge, one of them is actually a nice guy in the movie! How great are we?
Please
QuoteAdd in the total rejection of logic and continuity (as depicted by Aliens) in the first ten minutes, add in endless swearing, and the result? A movie made by moody, rebellious teenagers who like the concept of the Alien but hate the way it's been executed. It's so puerile it's embarrassing.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2012, 03:18:24 PM...the writer who writes the film, putting his feelings and thought processes into the script. The truth behind Newt's death is NOT artistic, but pettiness, and the rest of the movie is often very immature as well.
That doesn't make the movie immature, only the writer.
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Don't wanna sound smug but that really cracked me up! Did we even watch the same movie???
QuotePlease what?
QuoteSure, I can see how a disappointed Aliens fan might find Alien 3 to be pretentious (if one doesn't like something it is easy to choose to (mis)interpret ambitious for pretentious), but ridden with "angsty teen attitude" etc. I don't get at all.
QuoteIn your description of the ending of "Aliens", you reveal your own biases and opinions. You like Alien 3 better than Aliens? Fine. Sounds to me like your A3's target audience, who liked the concept but thought it was done "wrong before."
If anything is pubertal and immature then it is the super hero cartoon ending of Aliens.
QuoteWow, you really hate Alien 3 don't you? Out of all the Alien 3 bashing yours is the most inventive. Kudos to you!
Quote from: Iceycold on May 07, 2012, 04:06:02 PM
...the writer who writes the film, putting his feelings and thought processes into the script. The truth behind Newt's death is NOT artistic, but pettiness, and the rest of the movie is often very immature as well.
QuoteWhy don't you try sounding like less of a twat to your fellow poster, eh? I've said nothing to you personally to deserve that.
QuoteFirstly, I'm a fan of Alien and Aliens, so I can appreciate something a bit more ambiguous than "guns go bang. Aliens go dead now."
Secondly, don't act superior and claim my opinions are based on deliberate misinterpretation. I've stated why I find the film puerile; things happen for the sake of proving over and over that "there's point to anything." It's childish in a different way than Alien Resurrection was, but still immature.
QuoteThis movie jars very, very distinctly with what came before, in tone, consistency and, yes, AMBITION. Aliens expanded the universe. Alien 3 said the universe was shit, we're all going to die so what the hell. This childish film revels in its own cynicism like a pig in shit.
Quote...And yet, ironically, A3 is actually incongruent with itself, by having its ending where the company doesn't get the queen.
QuoteAnother childish, derogotary comment?
Quote"Bashing?" No, criticising, based on it's own merits (or lack thereof) and the films that came before this sequel.
QuoteI'm not sympathizing with rapists, child molesters and murderers if that is what you're implying. I cared for them as people within the context of the situation because they felt like real people with real lives - really screwed up lives formed through horrible choices which have brought them to where they are. All vile people but still people nevertheless.
Quotesuper hero cartoon ending of Aliens
QuoteI'm just fed up with Aliens fans taking every opportunity they get to take a dump on Alien 3.I am a HUGE fan of one and two, and I can even watch three from time to time and somewhat enjoy it, like I have said before. I'm not dumping on Alien3 so much as pointing out its obvious flaws. And things that IMO make it pale in comparison to one and two. Resurrection on the other hand is terrible and almost unwatchable. :)
QuoteNot according to me. Cameron turned the Alien creature into a giant Termite and exchanged down-to-earth action and characters for bombastic Hollywood action and caricatures, and the list goes on...
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 07, 2012, 12:25:34 PMTo be fair none of the movies gave much regard to the "science" in science fiction either. :P
I'd rather not expect what Randy is telling us and that's about it.
So for "me" it is already set to not be a sequel to alien, not using all the proper material from the movies and not giving a damn in the word "Science" that is part of Science Fiction.
And no one could ever force me to accept otherwise. :D
Quote from: Iceycold on May 07, 2012, 02:56:40 PMI'm absolutely going to need a citation for this because this is the first time I've heard it.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 02:25:01 AMIt's writer said "I killed off Newt because she annoyed me!"
And in all my years I've never heard 'Alien3' referred to as "immature".
First time for everything I guess.
That was mature, was it?
QuoteApart from that; A3 is the sort of film pretentious art students make out of sheer dissatisfaction with their own lives. The "happy ending" of Aliens is done away with, replaced with an angsty teen attitude of "life sucks then you die!"Yeah but it's thematically appropriate given that they intended to end the series, and the message they wanted to convey was "there are no happy endings when Aliens are involved". I don't really see a problem with it.
QuoteAdd in the total rejection of logic and continuity (as depicted by Aliens) in the first ten minutes, add in endless swearing, and the result? A movie made by moody, rebellious teenagers who like the concept of the Alien but hate the way it's been executed. It's so puerile it's embarrassing.Just wanted to point out that there really isn't any swearing in the movie until Morse's "f**k!" after Andrews gets killed.
Quote from: Samus007 on May 06, 2012, 12:20:19 PM
Just because in alien 3 they "found God" doesn't mean I should magically start caring about these monsters (the cast). The one character besides ripley that was like able was Clemens, and they killed him midway.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 06, 2012, 08:11:21 AM
I can't for the love of god see how "explaining" the egg thing will make Alien 3 a better movie. Please explain that to me.
QuoteWhat is the problem about the Alien 3 cast? Burke sacrifices a entire colony for money and tried to kill Ripley and Newt, we still care for him as a character...Private Tim Crowe, Trevor Wierzbowsk, Corporal Collette Ferro, Daniel Spunkmeyer and Ricco Frost died and we piratically don't know nothing about them.
Quote from: Samus007 on May 07, 2012, 05:51:13 PMAlien3 did not ask the audience to like rapists, murders, etc. IMO. They were humanizing them. Bad humans yes, but still human. In other words, the world is not as black and white as some would have us believe.QuoteWhat is the problem about the Alien 3 cast? Burke sacrifices a entire colony for money and tried to kill Ripley and Newt, we still care for him as a character...Private Tim Crowe, Trevor Wierzbowsk, Corporal Collette Ferro, Daniel Spunkmeyer and Ricco Frost died and we piratically don't know nothing about them.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't give a crap what happened to Burke. I wish I could have watched the alien burst out of his chest. I don't think we were ever meant to STILL LIKE him after it was revealed he was a dirtbag company man. As for Crowe, Wierzbowski, Ferro and the others that died during those events we were meant to care for them because they are soldiers and not rapists. Also, they died early on enough that it didn't really matter and none of them were 'main' characters like Vasquez, Ripley, Hicks, Newt, Gorman (somewhat), Hudson, and Bishop. As for alien3, we are meant to care about the doctor (killed to early) and a bunch of inmates that survived till the later half of the film. Well, and 85. I cannot for the life of me ever give two s*its about rapists and murderers. Not ever.
Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2012, 06:20:28 PMQuote from: Samus007 on May 07, 2012, 05:51:13 PMAlien3 did not ask the audience to like rapists, murders, etc. IMO. They were humanizing them. Bad humans yes, but still human. In other words, the world is not as black and white as some would have us believe.QuoteWhat is the problem about the Alien 3 cast? Burke sacrifices a entire colony for money and tried to kill Ripley and Newt, we still care for him as a character...Private Tim Crowe, Trevor Wierzbowsk, Corporal Collette Ferro, Daniel Spunkmeyer and Ricco Frost died and we piratically don't know nothing about them.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't give a crap what happened to Burke. I wish I could have watched the alien burst out of his chest. I don't think we were ever meant to STILL LIKE him after it was revealed he was a dirtbag company man. As for Crowe, Wierzbowski, Ferro and the others that died during those events we were meant to care for them because they are soldiers and not rapists. Also, they died early on enough that it didn't really matter and none of them were 'main' characters like Vasquez, Ripley, Hicks, Newt, Gorman (somewhat), Hudson, and Bishop. As for alien3, we are meant to care about the doctor (killed to early) and a bunch of inmates that survived till the later half of the film. Well, and 85. I cannot for the life of me ever give two s*its about rapists and murderers. Not ever.
It fits with the movies touching upon the audiences subconscience. Ripley is trying to stay alive, fighting alongside people who we normally treat with disdain and disgust. That added undertones of "somebody might get raped in this movie" which also adds to the tension. It made a lot of people uncomfortable, to say the least.
Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2012, 07:15:59 PMI think they've said that, too. :P
Instead of calling this game a true sequel to ALIENS, maybe they should have used the line, "this game will be a true Colonial Marines experience" and left it at that.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 07, 2012, 07:27:21 PMQuote from: Predaker on May 07, 2012, 07:15:59 PMI think they've said that, too. :P
Instead of calling this game a true sequel to ALIENS, maybe they should have used the line, "this game will be a true Colonial Marines experience" and left it at that.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
Be vewwy, vewwy, wawwy of people who use the term "TRUE fan" without irony.
QuoteI can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't give a crap what happened to Burke. I wish I could have watched the alien burst out of his chest.
Quote from: Barringer on May 07, 2012, 11:21:54 PM
I don't think that calling ACM a "true sequel" to Aliens is really anymore of a dig toward Alien 3 than if Ridley were to do another Alien film that he called a "true sequel" to Alien as being a dig toward Aliens. The Alien trilogy are just three films that are very different than their predecessors, and ACM is informed by Aliens more than the other two.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2012, 11:37:37 PMQuoteI can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't give a crap what happened to Burke. I wish I could have watched the alien burst out of his chest.
You do realise that you wanting to watch an Alien burst out of his chest show you DO in fact "give a crap". The fact you wanted to see him get his comeuppance shows he did his job as a bad guy.
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
Except the cast of Alien3 are nothing like Burke.
Quote from: Barringer on May 08, 2012, 01:15:28 AM
In Alien 3 I thought some of the characters were the inverse of Burke. Junior and Morse both tried to rape Ripley but ultimately both "redeemed" themselves in some fashion, at least in the Assembly Cut.
The problem with the prisoners is that we don't see firsthand the bad stuff they did, apart from the aforementioned rape scene. It's easier to dislike Burke for his sleaziness than it is some prisoner that we don't know what he did.
QuoteIn Alien 3 I thought some of the characters were the inverse of Burke. Junior and Morse both tried to rape Ripley but ultimately both "redeemed" themselves in some fashion, at least in the Assembly Cut.
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2012, 01:29:00 AMQuoteIn Alien 3 I thought some of the characters were the inverse of Burke. Junior and Morse both tried to rape Ripley but ultimately both "redeemed" themselves in some fashion, at least in the Assembly Cut.
Morse didn't try to rape Ripley.
And therein lies one of the films major flaws. Can't tell the bald f**kers apart.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on May 08, 2012, 01:31:55 AM
Morse was the f**ker with the pointy ears and nose right
Quoteor give them iconic tattoos.
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2012, 04:34:17 AM
Ripley has an arc - it just doesn't really kick in until Clemens and Andrews are killed and she finds herself in charge. Which is halfway through the film, and she, and the film are a bit directionless until that point.
Quote from: Mechafist on May 08, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
But they did, they gave them tattoos...
Not iconic ones of course but if you know what the "tear" means you will know at least more about Gregor, the tear probably indicates that he killed one person.
Quote from: SM on May 06, 2012, 11:07:46 PMQuoteIts back to Alien-status, that is to say, the derelict is there with no atmosphere. Thats the whole f**king reason Dallas' crew were wearing space-suits.
The AP station blowing up isn't instantly going to undo 20 years worth of terraforming.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 10, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
Well he's right - if the AP station is pumping stuff into the air for 20 years, enough to let people breathe unassisted, having the station go away isn't going to make all that breathable air just vanish instantly.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on May 10, 2012, 04:18:34 PMBetter put on your Colonial Marines hoodie, then. It's going to be chilly!Quote from: Xenomrph on May 10, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
Well he's right - if the AP station is pumping stuff into the air for 20 years, enough to let people breathe unassisted, having the station go away isn't going to make all that breathable air just vanish instantly.
yes but the heat output of the AP ceasing would drop the temperature way below living conditions.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 10, 2012, 04:12:38 PMWouldn't be that sure given the hostile nature of the Acheron atmosphere and weather. I'm not saying the air should be no breathable already when this ACM regiment arrives, but I think shortly after, like two or three months max and breathing on that moon should not be that easy.
Well he's right - if the AP station is pumping stuff into the air for 20 years, enough to let people breathe unassisted, having the station go away isn't going to make all that breathable air just vanish instantly.
Quote from: Predaker on May 10, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
I am curious to know why exactly they decided to resurrect Hadley's Hope and the AP. They could have done parts of the game on LV-426 without going back to the exact same place. I can accept the derelict survivng, but why bother trying to explain HH and the AP? Pure fan service? Did FOX make the final decision on this or what?
Quote from: Predaker on May 10, 2012, 04:49:48 PMEven more simple than that, why not make the game in Fury 161?
I am curious to know why exactly they decided to resurrect Hadley's Hope and the AP. They could have done parts of the game on LV-426 without going back to the exact same place. I can accept the derelict survivng, but why bother trying to explain HH and the AP? Pure fan service? Did FOX make the final decision on this or what?
Quote from: Mechafist on May 10, 2012, 05:47:53 PMYeah I think the game had potential to go to several other places instead of Hadley's Hope while still being a solid game. No idea who had the final word on that decision.Quote from: Predaker on May 10, 2012, 04:49:48 PMEven more simple than that, why not make the game in Fury 161?
I am curious to know why exactly they decided to resurrect Hadley's Hope and the AP. They could have done parts of the game on LV-426 without going back to the exact same place. I can accept the derelict survivng, but why bother trying to explain HH and the AP? Pure fan service? Did FOX make the final decision on this or what?
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on May 10, 2012, 04:18:34 PMWhy? The atmosphere processor was only pumping atmosphere, it wasn't warming the planet up. We don't even know how cold the planet was in 'Alien', merely that the native atmosphere wasn't breathable.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 10, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
Well he's right - if the AP station is pumping stuff into the air for 20 years, enough to let people breathe unassisted, having the station go away isn't going to make all that breathable air just vanish instantly.
yes but the heat output of the AP ceasing would drop the temperature way below living conditions.
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 10, 2012, 04:35:12 PMThis is the silliest, spergiest post I've seen in this thread so far. Nothing in 'Aliens' has been undone, and the movie still exists and people can (and do) still enjoy it.
James Cameron gets the shaft every time. First, Fox took a massive dump on his characters with the storyline for Alien3. Then, they wouldn't let him return to the series because they wanted to release AvP instead of a film that followed Alien: Resurrection. Now the success of everything his characters accomplished in Aliens is getting dumped on with A:CM.
The oddest thing about all of this is that his film is a benchmark for the series and for science fiction in general yet everything that he established in Aliens has slowly been dismantled by poorly-imagined sequels over the last 25 years and (now) a poorly-imagined video game.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 10, 2012, 06:06:22 PMQuote from: Ash 937 on May 10, 2012, 04:35:12 PMThis is the silliest, spergiest post I've seen in this thread so far.
James Cameron gets the shaft every time. First, Fox took a massive dump on his characters with the storyline for Alien3. Then, they wouldn't let him return to the series because they wanted to release AvP instead of a film that followed Alien: Resurrection. Now the success of everything his characters accomplished in Aliens is getting dumped on with A:CM.
The oddest thing about all of this is that his film is a benchmark for the series and for science fiction in general yet everything that he established in Aliens has slowly been dismantled by poorly-imagined sequels over the last 25 years and (now) a poorly-imagined video game.
Quote from: Sully on May 10, 2012, 12:17:30 PMQuote from: SM on May 06, 2012, 11:07:46 PMQuoteIts back to Alien-status, that is to say, the derelict is there with no atmosphere. Thats the whole f**king reason Dallas' crew were wearing space-suits.
The AP station blowing up isn't instantly going to undo 20 years worth of terraforming.
Oh. I don't have your experience in terraforming, silly me.
Quote from: Predaker on May 10, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
I am curious to know why exactly they decided to resurrect Hadley's Hope and the AP. They could have done parts of the game on LV-426 without going back to the exact same place. I can accept the derelict survivng, but why bother trying to explain HH and the AP? Pure fan service? Did FOX make the final decision on this or what?
Quotethe planned Fury 161 level(which they consulted with Fincher about btw, It's right there in the mag)Wait seriously? And he didn't tell them to go f**k themselves? I mean I thought it was pretty well-known that Fincher hates talking about Alien3.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 14, 2012, 07:14:38 AMQuotethe planned Fury 161 level(which they consulted with Fincher about btw, It's right there in the mag)Wait seriously? And he didn't tell them to go f**k themselves? I mean I thought it was pretty well-known that Fincher hates talking about Alien3.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 14, 2012, 07:14:38 AMQuotethe planned Fury 161 level(which they consulted with Fincher about btw, It's right there in the mag)Wait seriously? And he didn't tell them to go f**k themselves? I mean I thought it was pretty well-known that Fincher hates talking about Alien3.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 14, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
That's pretty awesome that Fincher actually helped them out, though. :)
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 14, 2012, 06:23:24 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 14, 2012, 07:14:38 AMQuotethe planned Fury 161 level(which they consulted with Fincher about btw, It's right there in the mag)Wait seriously? And he didn't tell them to go f**k themselves? I mean I thought it was pretty well-known that Fincher hates talking about Alien3.
Out of all the directors involved in constructing the Alien universe, Fincher had the least creative control over adding anything new to it. It would be somewhat humorous to find out that while this is one of the few times he opened up to give some insight about what he thought that world should look like that it gets completely scrapped from the final product. I think it would be reason enough for him continue telling people to go f**ck themsevles in the future. :-\
Quote from: HicksUSCM on May 14, 2012, 06:29:13 PM
Btw guys I was thinking about something. Maybe they altered the Aliens ending a bit too. Lets say the opening of ACM is how the dropship fly away but the explosion is not that bigger or something like that (its up to them) and then we see "XX weeks later" screen and here we go the badasses arrive!
QuoteI mean they said that after they talked with Fincher they learned a crapload about Alien 3 and what could've been, and how much larger the complex actually is.
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2012, 10:53:34 PMQuoteI mean they said that after they talked with Fincher they learned a crapload about Alien 3 and what could've been, and how much larger the complex actually is.
That's hardly a secret. We see that big Blade Runner landscape exterior and Aaron says the place is "ten miles square" (ie. covers 100 square miles).
Quote from: Predaker on May 15, 2012, 04:01:16 PM
Maybe they will use it as a multiplayer map, if Fury 161 is not in the campaign. Like Barringer mentioned. ;)
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 15, 2012, 04:10:56 PMya same here, hoping for alien MP too. All I'd like to ask GB If I had the chance is to not make It as bright as It was in avp2. There was an amazing custom alien3 map for avp2 featured in the ump2 also. Can't remember the name exactly but It was similar to the original but with extra rooms, friggin' dark, and quite a big lag in some certain locations too because of the size.Quote from: Predaker on May 15, 2012, 04:01:16 PM
Maybe they will use it as a multiplayer map, if Fury 161 is not in the campaign. Like Barringer mentioned. ;)
And that's really all I am hoping for. Plus, if GBX really did consult with Fincher on this then they should at least make a mulitplayer map out of the insight they acquired.
As others pointed out, it isn't everyday that Fincher comes out to discuss Alien3. Just like how they are using Syd Mead's blueprints for the Sulaco to reconstruct parts of the ship that were never filmed, I think that GBX should take the same approach with Fury 161.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 04:25:44 PMI don't think they resent alien3 so much as there is nothing really there for them to adapt into the game campaign. The main influence comes from ALIENS and their main focus appears to be the colonial marines above all else.
Considering their open resent towards Alien 3 I doubt they will show any love for Fury 161 like that.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 04:25:44 PMThey didn't resent the whole movie, they mentioned legitimate problems with the opening to the movie. Between the facehugger(s) out of nowhere and killing off Hicks and Newt in the first 3 minutes, the movie didn't do a whole lot to endear itself to audiences, especially those who'd enjoyed 'Aliens'.
Considering their open resent towards Alien 3 I doubt they will show any love for Fury 161 like that.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 07:44:16 PMReally, it only has a few problems when viewed as a sequel to ALIENS. As a stand alone movie, I think Alien3 was superb.Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 04:25:44 PMThey didn't resent the whole movie, they mentioned legitimate problems with the opening to the movie. Between the facehugger(s) out of nowhere and killing off Hicks and Newt in the first 3 minutes, the movie didn't do a whole lot to endear itself to audiences, especially those who'd enjoyed 'Aliens'.
Considering their open resent towards Alien 3 I doubt they will show any love for Fury 161 like that.
'Alien3' is my favorite Alien movie and even I am able to recognize that it's got significant problems.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 07:44:16 PM
They didn't resent the whole movie, they mentioned legitimate problems with the opening to the movie. Between the facehugger(s) out of nowhere and killing off Hicks and Newt in the first 3 minutes, the movie didn't do a whole lot to endear itself to audiences, especially those who'd enjoyed 'Aliens'.
'Alien3' is my favorite Alien movie and even I am able to recognize that it's got significant problems.
QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 08:09:10 PMOh I know why, they want to portray themselves as fellow bros and Aliens fans hoping that we will identify and like them enough to buy five copies each when the game comes out... "Huh huh, Alien 3 suxors, worst movie evurrh *nudge nudge*... Gimme five bra'!"that without even mention what the problems he's are talking about with alien3 are. The two eggs mystery? ROFLMAO
QuoteYes, those who wonder about egg mysteries in alien3 and elusive facehuggers aboard sulaco without even thinking there was a queen in aliens there ROFL.That's one of the better explanations, but it's far from airtight. The biggest problem in the movie was the egg's placement - how did it get affixed to the underside of a table or something? It would have been a non-issue if the movie had the egg attached to the landing strut of the dropship or something (the Alien3 bluray does this, incidentally).
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But that's not what they're doing at all, especially since they didn't say Alien3 sucks. ???
As mentioned, they pointed out significant flaws - the mystery egg out of nowhere is a flaw, and it's one that has bothered both fans and casual audiences for literally two decades now. Addressing it in some fashion isn't a bad thing. It's not like they're going to retcon out Hicks' death and have him blasting away Aliens or something.QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:40:11 PMThe biggest problem in the movie was the egg's placement - how did it get affixed to the underside of a table or something? It would have been a non-issue if the movie had the egg attached to the landing strut of the dropship or something (the Alien3 bluray does this, incidentally).
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 08:55:31 PMThe devs and/or Randy Pitchford never did any of that, though. Some of the people conducting the interviews did.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But that's not what they're doing at all, especially since they didn't say Alien3 sucks. ???
As mentioned, they pointed out significant flaws - the mystery egg out of nowhere is a flaw, and it's one that has bothered both fans and casual audiences for literally two decades now. Addressing it in some fashion isn't a bad thing. It's not like they're going to retcon out Hicks' death and have him blasting away Aliens or something.QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
I know that I sound pretty melodramatic at times. What I was trying to say here was that when you are a game developer and you're dealing with a franchise with a very diverse fan base - diverse in the sense when it comes to what the fans like about the movie(s) - you better behave. There is no need to belittle, patronize or talk shit about Alien 3 or A:R. That's just lame.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 08:55:31 PMWhat about the AvP movies? Is shit-talking those okay? Because it happens nearly non-stop on these forums. :P Just sayin'.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But that's not what they're doing at all, especially since they didn't say Alien3 sucks. ???
As mentioned, they pointed out significant flaws - the mystery egg out of nowhere is a flaw, and it's one that has bothered both fans and casual audiences for literally two decades now. Addressing it in some fashion isn't a bad thing. It's not like they're going to retcon out Hicks' death and have him blasting away Aliens or something.QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
I know that I sound pretty melodramatic at times. What I was trying to say here was that when you are a game developer and you're dealing with a franchise with a very diverse fan base - diverse in the sense when it comes to what the fans like about the movie(s) - you better behave. There is no need to belittle, patronize or talk shit about Alien 3 or A:R. That's just lame.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 09:09:38 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 08:55:31 PMWhat about the AvP movies? Is shit-talking those okay? Because it happens nearly non-stop on these forums. :P Just sayin'.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But that's not what they're doing at all, especially since they didn't say Alien3 sucks. ???
As mentioned, they pointed out significant flaws - the mystery egg out of nowhere is a flaw, and it's one that has bothered both fans and casual audiences for literally two decades now. Addressing it in some fashion isn't a bad thing. It's not like they're going to retcon out Hicks' death and have him blasting away Aliens or something.QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
I know that I sound pretty melodramatic at times. What I was trying to say here was that when you are a game developer and you're dealing with a franchise with a very diverse fan base - diverse in the sense when it comes to what the fans like about the movie(s) - you better behave. There is no need to belittle, patronize or talk shit about Alien 3 or A:R. That's just lame.
And like I said, he wasn't belittling 'Alien3', he was talking about a legitimate problem that most people have with Alien3, even fans of the movie.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 09:31:31 PMGearbox did not bash any of the movies. Some of the people interviewing them did, but not gearbox. They hyped up the game, and that is what the interviews are for. The interviews were not about their personal opinions, it was all hype for the upcoming game.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 09:09:38 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 08:55:31 PMWhat about the AvP movies? Is shit-talking those okay? Because it happens nearly non-stop on these forums. :P Just sayin'.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But that's not what they're doing at all, especially since they didn't say Alien3 sucks. ???
As mentioned, they pointed out significant flaws - the mystery egg out of nowhere is a flaw, and it's one that has bothered both fans and casual audiences for literally two decades now. Addressing it in some fashion isn't a bad thing. It's not like they're going to retcon out Hicks' death and have him blasting away Aliens or something.QuoteStuff like that alienate them from a large portion of the Alien fan-baseConsidering the current results of the "ACM & canon" thread poll, it looks like more people support them than don't. It didn't matter what they did, something would alienate some of the fan-base. That's the nature of fandom, it's completely unavoidable. 'Aliens' alienated some of the fandom of 'Alien' (you're an example, too). 'Alien3' alienated some of the fandom of 'Aliens'. Colonial Marines is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's not like they're retconning Alien3 out of existence. They're fixing an actual problem with the movie.
I know that I sound pretty melodramatic at times. What I was trying to say here was that when you are a game developer and you're dealing with a franchise with a very diverse fan base - diverse in the sense when it comes to what the fans like about the movie(s) - you better behave. There is no need to belittle, patronize or talk shit about Alien 3 or A:R. That's just lame.
And like I said, he wasn't belittling 'Alien3', he was talking about a legitimate problem that most people have with Alien3, even fans of the movie.
I admit that I haven't been that clear about who exactly it is that I'm talking about here. Sorry about that!
I'm referring to all the A:CM related videos and articles I've seen and read so far, including the stuff said by Pitchford.
If they made an AVP game I would find it very odd if they started bashing AvP:R. Of course I would've thought it was amusing since I don't like AvP:R, but I would still think it was very unprofessional of them to bash one of the installments from the franchise they're dealing with.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 15, 2012, 10:30:24 PMIt's probably best to wait for the actual game to come out and judge it on its own merits/flaws. :)
I guess I'm being oversensitive.
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 15, 2012, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2012, 08:40:11 PMThe biggest problem in the movie was the egg's placement - how did it get affixed to the underside of a table or something? It would have been a non-issue if the movie had the egg attached to the landing strut of the dropship or something (the Alien3 bluray does this, incidentally).
Do you mean to say that there is an entirely different shot of the egg on-board the Sulaco for the blu-ray edition of Alien3???
I don't own a blu-ray player so this would be news to me. Do you have a pic of this shot?
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2012, 10:53:26 PM
As for retunring to Fiorina - it's a more logical place to return than a smoking crater; oops I mean magically restored colony.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on May 22, 2012, 03:45:17 AMi do not have the hardware or connection to make a co-op game work flawlesslywhat's your rig specs and internet connection