Is ACM considered canon?

Started by Janek, Jun 21, 2024, 12:07:38 AM

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Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#15
Because they were vaporized?

Acid_Reign161

Acid_Reign161

#16
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 10:48:48 PMBecause they were vaporized?

Nope, the blast wouldn't have touched it, too far away and protected by a mountain range 😋 (don't give a shyte what the Alien Resurrection novel shoe-horns in to justify the existence of the movie) 🤣

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#17
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2024, 11:06:46 PMNope, the blast wouldn't have touched it, too far away and protected by a mountain range 😋

Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2014, 10:20:09 PMMyth.  Lydecker says the grid reference is "out past the Ilium Range" - not behind it.

Acid_Reign161

Acid_Reign161

#18
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2024, 11:06:46 PMNope, the blast wouldn't have touched it, too far away and protected by a mountain range 😋

Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2014, 10:20:09 PMMyth.  Lydecker says the grid reference is "out past the Ilium Range" - not behind it.

Lydecker also said they were sent out there "last week" suggesting there has been a significant amount of travel time from the colony... a minimum of a couple of days travel (else he would have said "yesterday"), and Bishop confirmed the blast radius of the atmosphere processor was only 30km...

The cloud of vapour was said to be the size of Nebraska, not the blast; and even then, you can cross Nebraska in 7 hours by road (and that's the longest points) whereas the vapour cloud would have been central to the processor; let's do the maths 😉

Also, to be fair "past the Ilium range" is still shielded... I could be standing in an open exposed location, but if there's a mountain range between me and a blast a couple of days travel away, I'm feeling pretty damn confident. 😋

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#19
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2014, 05:37:59 PMPretty sure SM has already ruled on this.  No way Ripley leaves orbit without making sure the derelict was obliterated.

SM

SM

#20
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 10:48:48 PMBecause they were vaporized?

Not necessarily vapourised - just not a viable source of eggs.



BigChapismyBestFriend

BigChapismyBestFriend

#22
I actually do like the idea that The derelict survived the Blast. Just to make it more unnatural.


:) Then again it's out of range

Janek

Janek

#23
I just find it strange that on Xenopedia it states that Hicks is deceased as of August 2179. If you click on the year and scroll down to August is says Turk was impaled in the EEV and died but Hicks survived.

Do not get me wrong I love Hicks and would have loved to see him in more films but this is just cheap writing.


Man I hate that f**king game. Thank god it is not considered canon.

Citixeno

Citixeno

#24


We, as fans, tend to grossly overanalyze things. There are tomes of fan theories and people doing math to "prove" all sorts of things that did or didn't happen on screen and to infer rules from them. But, if we look at it like movie creatives, writers, directors, and producers, that all goes out the window.

If they want the Derelict to still be there in a sequel, as the source of Alien Eggs, they will simply have it there and say that it was far enough outside the range of the blast to the extent that the eggs are okay or based on the durability of the Juggernaut ship, or whatever. They would simply ignore the fact that WY would have gone there right after the events of A2 instead of tracking down Ripley in A3, as they know this will not occur to most of the audience.

The same way that James Cameron ignored the fact the Derelict ship still had its beacon on after the events of A1. Yes, it was addressed in Alien: Isolation, but that was filling in a plot hole three decades after A2 was released. That plot hole didn't prevent the vast super-majority of audiences from enjoying the movie.

As far as the specific statement of "the size of Nebraska," all hinges on whether Bishop was, or was not, using precise language. He might be programmed to speak for effect so that he sounds more human. The point he was getting at was that they all needed to leave, as they couldn't hide from the explosion. Not to educate them as the the precise size of an explosion. - Now, we could debate all day if he was using precise language or not as an android, but I'm not interested in such a debate. My point is that if 20th-century studios want to use the derelict again as the source, then that is how they will treat it, regardless of what was intended by James Cameron at the time.

The expectation of perfect consistency will never be something the studio delivers on. That goes double for shots that didn't make the final cuts of movies and related materials from novelizations of scripts. They are focused on making relatable characters to draw the audience in. They cannot even get that right half the time either, so expecting perfect consistency to things we over analyze is an ask "the size of Nebraska."

SM

SM

#25
Quote from: Janek on Jun 23, 2024, 02:36:38 PMI just find it strange that on Xenopedia it states that Hicks is deceased as of August 2179. If you click on the year and scroll down to August is says Turk was impaled in the EEV and died but Hicks survived.

Do not get me wrong I love Hicks and would have loved to see him in more films but this is just cheap writing.


Man I hate that f**king game. Thank god it is not considered canon.

Xenopedia may just not have updated the page properly in a while.

QuoteIf they want the Derelict to still be there in a sequel, as the source of Alien Eggs, they will simply have it there and say that it was far enough outside the range of the blast to the extent that the eggs are okay or based on the durability of the Juggernaut ship, or whatever. They would simply ignore the fact that WY would have gone there right after the events of A2 instead of tracking down Ripley in A3, as they know this will not occur to most of the audience.

Yep.

QuoteThe same way that James Cameron ignored the fact the Derelict ship still had its beacon on after the events of A1. Yes, it was addressed in Alien: Isolation, but that was filling in a plot hole three decades after A2 was released. That plot hole didn't prevent the vast super-majority of audiences from enjoying the movie.

Cameron addressed it outside of the film, but yes most punters wouldn't have noticed.

"Size of Nebraska" was definitely Bishop's way of saying "big", but when Gediman muses on the fate of LV-426 in the Resurrection novelisation, a 19 megahectare crater is mentioned (or 190,000 square kilometres). Nebraska is 200,000 square kilometres.

BigChapismyBestFriend


Quote from: Janek on Jun 23, 2024, 02:36:38 PMI just find it strange that on Xenopedia it states that Hicks is deceased as of August 2179. If you click on the year and scroll down to August is says Turk was impaled in the EEV and died but Hicks survived.

Do not get me wrong I love Hicks and would have loved to see him in more films but this is just cheap writing.
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Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#27
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2024, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 10:48:48 PMBecause they were vaporized?

Nope, the blast wouldn't have touched it, too far away and protected by a mountain range 😋 (don't give a shyte what the Alien Resurrection novel shoe-horns in to justify the existence of the movie) 🤣

iirc AvP (Classic) had the eggs in the Derelict as having been made sterile thanks to radiation from the AP explosion. 

TheDerelict

TheDerelict

#28
Quote from: SM on Jun 22, 2024, 10:43:51 PMThey got to LV-426 and found no viable eggs at the Derelict.

That's because the eggs were all on board the Sulaco....and we all know how that panned out. 😉

Samhain13

Samhain13

#29
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2024, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2024, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 10:48:48 PMBecause they were vaporized?

Nope, the blast wouldn't have touched it, too far away and protected by a mountain range 😋 (don't give a shyte what the Alien Resurrection novel shoe-horns in to justify the existence of the movie) 🤣

iirc AvP (Classic) had the eggs in the Derelict as having been made sterile thanks to radiation from the AP explosion. 

wat then where the aliens in that game came from? They set up a base on the derelict for the eggs there.

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