Poll
Question:
What did you think of Prey?
Option 1: Loved it. (5/5)
votes: 84
Option 2: Good, it was enjoyable. (4/5)
votes: 66
Option 3: It was okay. (3/5)
votes: 22
Option 4: Could have been better. (2/5)
votes: 8
Option 5: Didn't like it. (1/5)
votes: 10
Option 6: Hated it! (0/5)
votes: 7
This is the official fan reviews thread for Prey. It will be shown in a few hours at Comic-Con and I know some of you are going to be there for the first ever showing. Here's the place to say what you thought about it after you've seen it. Think about what you liked, what you didn't like, how it compares to previous Predator films. I've also included a poll for you to rate it.
Please think about spoiler tags when delving more into the plot guys ! ;)
Looking forward to seeing how the reaction is to PREY tonight! August 5th can't get here soon enough! I haven't anticipated a movie this much in a long time!
They did it... they really did it!!!
Looking at the reactions on Twitter and seeing a lot of praise 👏
They managed to make a strong and compelling thriller on a smaller scale, something that feels stripped down compared to the recent PREDATOR entries but no less enthralling. Amber Midthunder brings the right balance of vulnerability and quiet intensity, and her transformation into a woman warrior is totally believable. The last act of the original PREDATOR where it was Dutch and his cunning against the monster, fighting with stick, stones and mud is the vibe of this movie for the most part. Job well done, Dan Trachtenberg.
So upset I was turned away at the screening despite having a confirmed ticket.. but either way so glad to see the movie getting so much praise.
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:29 AMSo upset I was turned away at the screening despite having a confirmed ticket.. but either way so glad to see the movie getting so much praise.
I heard a rumor this happened to a few people who were confirmed. Apparently, one of the main cast members invited 20+ people to the screening and that took up available seats.
Quote from: El Diablo on Jul 22, 2022, 05:47:04 AMQuote from: MudButt on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:29 AMSo upset I was turned away at the screening despite having a confirmed ticket.. but either way so glad to see the movie getting so much praise.
I heard a rumor this happened to a few people who were confirmed. Apparently, one of the main cast members invited 20+ people to the screening and that took up available seats.
I arrived 30 minutes before the screening and had to wait in a ''Confirmed Ticket Line''. There was maybe 8 people in front of me, we were told that seats were filling up so they had to wait for everyone to be in a seat to determine how many more they'd let in. The staff let random people who weren't in line walk in with 3-4 guests and then after a 30 minute wait we were told the theater was full. They easily had 30-40 people in the ''Confirmed Ticket Line'' be turned away. On top of that the organizer decided to open a Stand By line for people who didn't have a confirmed ticked in case there was a seat. I asked some of those people and they said they'd been waiting up to an hour. None of them made it in.
Anyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
Sorry to hear about that MudButt. That's a kick in the teeth. :(
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2022, 06:10:48 AMSorry to hear about that MudButt. That's a kick in the teeth. :(
It was a bummer but I'm still happy for everyone that got to see it. I'll still be watching the heck out of it on August 5th.
Awesome to hear!
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:04:49 AMThey did it... they really did it!!!
without spoilers, was the final fight awesome?
Need details on the face too please.
Eyes, mandibles, CGI?
It feels too good to be true
Adam's reaction - "That could very well be the best #Predator sequel, I walked out of that theater as very satisfied fan. I loved #Prey, and I can't wait to see it again!"
Wow, sounds hugely promising so far! Just need to avoid spoilers for a couple of weeks... ;D
Goddamn you guys ! Goddamn you for being so lucky ! I wanna watch that movie righr now !
I felt it in my bones, no pun intended.
Super tired right now after the madness of SDCC and a premiere after so I'll share more later, but damn that was good. Still glowing about it. That Predator was brutal as f**k and looked phenomenal.
I am so glad this film is getting praise, I want nothing more than this to bring much needed glory back to this franchise and have people interested and excited to see a Predator movie again and want people to want to make more films.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 06:08:20 AMAnyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
...or without spoilers, whether we can expect something about it? ;)
I have waited for 20+ years for a good movie in the franchise.
Maybe this is it?
And no, Prometheus and Predators didn't really do it for me.
August 5th can't come soon enough!
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 08:07:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 06:08:20 AMAnyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
...or without spoilers, whether we can expect something about it? ;)
I think anything beyond "it's there", which the trailers show, will be a spoiler :P
Skeptical after The Predator movie. So much stuff that was changed and that movie "looked" good until it's release.
I was invited to a screening online but had to dip out last second. I'm hearing very good things about this one though, unlike The Predator; which got botched by studio interference. Seems like Dan got it right and the studio actually made him make the movie he envisioned.
Neat to see a Predator move receive a positive reception. Don't want to get hopes up, Prometheus received an early positive reception only >:( to be eviscerated by many movie goers and fans, "not all tho" I'm calling it now there's going to be diviside in the fanbase and a subset that for some will either be not impressed not liking it which is there subjective experience of the movie and they're entitled to their opinion and criticisms whereas others who'll out right dismiss it claiming its "WOKE" . Wonder how much social media and the fan consensus will affect this movie. And give it a watch and judge for myself.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 08:14:29 AMQuote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 08:07:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 06:08:20 AMAnyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
...or without spoilers, whether we can expect something about it? ;)
I think anything beyond "it's there", which the trailers show, will be a spoiler :P
While I can't confirm what happened because I haven't seen Prey yet; during storyboarding they actually had a pretty neat idea.
Spoiler
Flintlock Pistol gets dropped, clear homage to P2. During the fight with the Feral Predator, the pistol is lost and "picked up" by an invisible entity. At this point, the audience assumes it's Feral coming back from the pistol. Near the end of the movie, when Feral has made some unworthy kills, he nearly finishes of the main lead. Before he does so; he gets shot in the back of the head. Enter Elder Predator, well... "Elder" ... eh, "Younger?" ...
I'm hoping the above is still in it somewhat, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was changed due to it being a bit too much on the nose. Would love to hear about it though!
This is great to hear. Gonna be a long two weeks... :'(
Can I ask what the approximate running time was?
Do we get Predator vision in this, and if so, does it utilize the original P1/P2 sounds or have they changed it again?
Quote from: SyntaX on Jul 22, 2022, 08:35:22 AMWhile I can't confirm what happened because I haven't seen Prey yet; during storyboarding they actually had a pretty neat idea.
Spoiler
Flintlock Pistol gets dropped, clear homage to P2. During the fight with the Feral Predator, the pistol is lost and "picked up" by an invisible entity. At this point, the audience assumes it's Feral coming back from the pistol. Near the end of the movie, when Feral has made some unworthy kills, he nearly finishes of the main lead. Before he does so; he gets shot in the back of the head. Enter Elder Predator, well... "Elder" ... eh, "Younger?" ...
Well...I could accept this approach if it made it to the final film version.
Quote from: SyntaX on Jul 22, 2022, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 08:14:29 AMQuote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 08:07:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 06:08:20 AMAnyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
...or without spoilers, whether we can expect something about it? ;)
I think anything beyond "it's there", which the trailers show, will be a spoiler :P
While I can't confirm what happened because I haven't seen Prey yet; during storyboarding they actually had a pretty neat idea.
Spoiler
Flintlock Pistol gets dropped, clear homage to P2. During the fight with the Feral Predator, the pistol is lost and "picked up" by an invisible entity. At this point, the audience assumes it's Feral coming back from the pistol. Near the end of the movie, when Feral has made some unworthy kills, he nearly finishes of the main lead. Before he does so; he gets shot in the back of the head. Enter Elder Predator, well... "Elder" ... eh, "Younger?" ...
I'm hoping the above is still in it somewhat, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was changed due to it being a bit too much on the nose. Would love to hear about it though!
Oh please yes.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 08:48:57 AMQuote from: SyntaX on Jul 22, 2022, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 08:14:29 AMQuote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 08:07:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 06:08:20 AMAnyone got any tea to spill about the flintlock? In spoilers, obviously.
...or without spoilers, whether we can expect something about it? ;)
I think anything beyond "it's there", which the trailers show, will be a spoiler :P
While I can't confirm what happened because I haven't seen Prey yet; during storyboarding they actually had a pretty neat idea.
Spoiler
Flintlock Pistol gets dropped, clear homage to P2. During the fight with the Feral Predator, the pistol is lost and "picked up" by an invisible entity. At this point, the audience assumes it's Feral coming back from the pistol. Near the end of the movie, when Feral has made some unworthy kills, he nearly finishes of the main lead. Before he does so; he gets shot in the back of the head. Enter Elder Predator, well... "Elder" ... eh, "Younger?" ...
I'm hoping the above is still in it somewhat, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was changed due to it being a bit too much on the nose. Would love to hear about it though!
Oh please yes.
Could still be in the movie to some extent... they are still toying around with the "different Predator/different rules" set. Will see for myself next week.
Quote from: SyntaX on Jul 22, 2022, 08:57:06 AMCould still be in the movie to some extent... they are still toying around with the "different Predator/different rules" set. Will see for myself next week.
Maybe someone (who has already seen the test screening) will confirm this with a - you know, a kinda spoiler-free - wink. ;) :D
Quote from: Chuck on Jul 22, 2022, 06:35:26 AMwithout spoilers, was the final fight awesome?
The final fight was
f**king awesome.
Also very tired after the days adventures with Ridgetop too, and will go into more details soon. Definitely going to sleep with a big smile on my face.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 09:27:28 AMQuote from: Chuck on Jul 22, 2022, 06:35:26 AMwithout spoilers, was the final fight awesome?
The final fight was f**king awesome.
Also very tired after the days adventures with Ridgetop too, and will go into more details soon. Definitely going to sleep with a big smile on my face.
Oi! Care to send me a PM?
I've been receiving alot of stuff (storyboard impressions + shot scenes) and am compiling stuff that didn't make the final cut.
Let me know!
What about the gore ? Hard rated R ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 22, 2022, 10:23:57 AMWhat about the gore ? Hard rated R ?
There's one of the tweets in the news story that says
QuoteVIOLENT AF. SO MUCH GORE
Oh my god. I'm gonna die. August 5th, please come sooner you f**k.
I have sooo many questions :
- Do Feral body language/movements look good ? More heavy style or smooth ? A blend of both ?
- Do we have new weapons unseen in trailers and photos ? Without telling what it is please.
- Do Taabe and other tribe members have prominent scenes ?
- Is the face of Feral full CGI ? Does it solve mouth problems ?
- Is the blood (both red and green) CGI ?
- Does french trappers get f**ked up ? Nah just joking I know they will hahaha
I'm so incredibly happy for the movie/cast and crew. I can't believe they did it!
I'm one of those who really enjoyed Predators (2010) plus it was my first in theaters and the less said about The Predator (2018) the better ;)
I'm really excited to watch Prey but I still wish I could see this one on the big screen.
Edit: I've got one question for Ridge and Mickey, how's Sarah Schachner score compared to the other films? Are there any cues or themes from the Silvestri scores?
Let's not be to hasty mr h review also said *the predator* was great in the first review/reaction
he did.
it's looking good but im not convinced yet.
well put, caution is always a good idea in any circumstance.
I'd put the opinions of the folks on here who saw it way above the general 'reaction' tweets in the news post
I'd really like to know do we get any new Predator lore? Anything that relates to the series beyond the scope of just this movie.
Also if Feral dies is it done well? Does he go out like a bad ass Jungle Hunter style or with a whimper like Fugitive.
I'm not sure I'll get an answer to either but those would be my questions.
The truth is that even for the bad predator of 2018 there were many positive reactions after the exhibition. I'd rather wait, but I was happy and hopeful now.
I love reading the responses, truly do. I just hope that they bring it back to the vibe of 1987 predator and abandon the head on action first nonsense. I want my silent hunter back on screen tactically Stalking, patient and brutal.
One thing I'll say about the reception to the last Pred film is - as much as there were some positive reviews on release - there was a swathe of "this absolutely stinks" type reviews too.
I've only doomscrolled through Twitter to gauge reception on this but it seems unanimous that this is a very, VERY good Pred film.
I've genuinely not seen one review criticising it.
I'll still take it with a pinch of salt but this looks massively promising.
Dont trust the early reviews and reactions. Better to watch it yourself.
According to youtube reactions, the movie is about 90 minutes long. Shorter than usual.
And very short for a theater movie these days, hence why it's maybe more suited for streaming.
That's a shame. Was hoping it'd be closer to 2 hours
https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/1550350730313101312
I was expecting something around 1h45.
Yo someone give me those spoilers, I wanna know how the final fight ends.
Seeing all the positive responses is very reassuring :)
So far, only good things!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 22, 2022, 03:28:17 PMAccording to youtube reactions, the movie is about 90 minutes long. Shorter than usual.
And very short for a theater movie these days, hence why it's maybe more suited for streaming.
True. I don't mind the shorter length. Who knows, maybe it was longer at one point and they cut it down to "trim the fat", so to speak.
So does Naru get the honor of taking out the Predator or do they pull some dues ex machina and have something/someone save her at the end?
Spoiler
Like some have suggested greyback comes out of nowhere and shoots feral in the back of the head with the flintlock pistol.
A lean 90 minutes sounds perfect for a movie like this, honestly. Last thing I'd want, especially coming right off the back of The Predator, is a bloated mess of a Predator movie. This seems to be a much smaller movie, and driven more by its action, and based on the fan response it is seeming like whatever runtime they landed on was likely just the right amount of time the film could sustain that energy and momentum.
Are there any scenes with Feral by himself? Like tending a wound, preparing weapons, etc.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jul 22, 2022, 05:14:29 PMAre there any scenes with Feral by himself? Like tending a wound, preparing weapons, etc.
There's a wonderful scene where he walks up the side of a mountain and sings:
"High on a hill there's a lonely goat..."
Wait.. wrong film, sorry.
It says there is minimal dialogue for a lot of the movie so 90 mins will probably make it feel longer than it really is.
Anyone care to comment on the Pred vision in this?
I find the sfx for the vision sounds so iconic from the first two films. I'm not a fan when they change it.
90 min is way to short,
And of course the people from that screening will give it a 10 out of 10
They just got that whole experience free with food, drinks and candy on top of it.
Like I said earlier,
Don't get your hopes up too quick.
Quote from: PredatorvsAliens on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:43 PMAnd of course the people from that screening will give it a 10 out of 10
They just got that whole experience free with food, drinks and candy on top of it.
Like I said earlier,
Don't get your hopes up too quick.
The event is free including food/drinks?
Quote from: Hollywood on Jul 22, 2022, 05:41:19 PMQuote from: PredatorvsAliens on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:43 PMAnd of course the people from that screening will give it a 10 out of 10
They just got that whole experience free with food, drinks and candy on top of it.
Like I said earlier,
Don't get your hopes up too quick.
The event is free including food/drinks?
isen't that how it is most of the time ?
all im saying is just dont get your hopes up to fast we have been burned to many times.
Quote from: Hollywood on Jul 22, 2022, 05:41:19 PMQuote from: PredatorvsAliens on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:43 PMAnd of course the people from that screening will give it a 10 out of 10
They just got that whole experience free with food, drinks and candy on top of it.
Like I said earlier,
Don't get your hopes up too quick.
The event is free including food/drinks?
It was a small popcorn and a soda or water. Nothing crazy. Wasn't special treatment, just standard at almost every early screenings.
Some of the people reacting to the movie are Predator fans from this site, who didn't give The Predator praise. So take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:50:24 PMQuote from: Hollywood on Jul 22, 2022, 05:41:19 PMQuote from: PredatorvsAliens on Jul 22, 2022, 05:28:43 PMAnd of course the people from that screening will give it a 10 out of 10
They just got that whole experience free with food, drinks and candy on top of it.
Like I said earlier,
Don't get your hopes up too quick.
The event is free including food/drinks?
It was a small popcorn and a soda or water. Nothing crazy. Wasn't special treatment, just standard at almost every early screenings.
Some of the people reacting to the movie are Predator fans from this site, who didn't give The Predator praise. So take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
ok fair enough ! it just you know sounds to good to be true.
im just very skeptical.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:50:24 PMSo take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
Sounds good.
Are you going to write a bit longer kinda spoiler-free summary of the film, including your opinions, impression, etc?
I always thought it cost money to go to comic con so that's cool to know. SD isn't too far away I should've made a trip haha
Taking the reactions with a grain of salt is smart but it's good to see Prey isn't being unanimously trashed or met with a "meh" response. Because that could have happened, even with drinks and candy for the audience lol
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 05:54:45 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:50:24 PMSo take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
Sounds good.
Are you going to write a bit longer kinda spoiler-free summary of the film, including your opinions, impression, etc?
Yes, I'm working on a video already. Might not be ready for a few days on my end. Ridgetop and I may do a livestream chat with our initial thoughts and impressions very soon.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 06:04:13 PMQuote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 05:54:45 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:50:24 PMSo take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
Sounds good.
Are you going to write a bit longer kinda spoiler-free summary of the film, including your opinions, impression, etc?
Yes, I'm working on a video already. Might not be ready for a few days on my end. Ridgetop and I may do a livestream chat with our initial thoughts and impressions very soon.
How's the face? Practical or CGI?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 06:04:13 PMQuote from: Xerxész on Jul 22, 2022, 05:54:45 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 22, 2022, 05:50:24 PMSo take that into consideration on how it's being reacted to right now. The movie was good, and the event itself didn't factor into my opinion on the quality of the film itself.
Sounds good.
Are you going to write a bit longer kinda spoiler-free summary of the film, including your opinions, impression, etc?
Yes, I'm working on a video already. Might not be ready for a few days on my end. Ridgetop and I may do a livestream chat with our initial thoughts and impressions very soon.
I'm looking forward to it ! Just a few quick questions that can be mostly answered by yes or no, if you'll indulge me lol.
- Do Feral body language/movements look good ? More heavy style or smooth ? A blend of both ?
- Do we have new weapons unseen in trailers and photos ? Without telling what it is please.
- Do Taabe and other tribe members have prominent scenes ?
- Is the face of Feral full CGI ? Does it solve mouth problems ?
- Is the blood (both red and green) CGI ?
i am so glad i was wrong about all of this.
FINALLY AN AVP MOVIE AFTER THE INITIAL 2 RELEASES THAT APPROACHES THE QUALITY OF THOSE 2 RELEASES.
would that be a fair statement?
anyways kudos to those involved .
finally .....
Time for the cult thinking of "only the first two" around Alien and Predator to die, because it was never that way, just now it's much more obvious.
To echo what everyone else in this forum has stated: this sounds very promising. At 1 hr 30 minutes it seems a little on the short side which is disappointing but if people are saying it's a worthy sequel to the original I am here for it. I am still cautiously optimistic but I'm getting more and more excited!!
SDCC post screening Q&A with cast and crew
Funny enough, the one thing that gets me a bit "itchy" is the fact that a number of those twitter reviewers are calling it better than the original and "the best movie in the franchise by far".
It always reeks of momentary hype and sensationalism to me, when someone drops such a comparison with an old classic. Like, how do you want to really push the new movie? Just say its better in any way than the previous gold standart.
Dont know if i managed to really express what im feeling here. Im definitely very hyped, dont take me wrong.
Quote from: Manti on Jul 22, 2022, 09:52:36 PMFunny enough, the one thing that gets me a bit "itchy" is the fact that a number of those twitter reviewers are calling it better than the original and "the best movie in the franchise by far".
It always reeks of momentary hype and sensationalism to me, when someone drops such a comparison with an old classic. Like, how do you want to really push the new movie? Just say its better in any way than the previous gold standart.
Dont know if i managed to really express what im feeling here. Im definitely very hyped, dont take me wrong.
I'm 100% in your camp on that. I try to remember that the people who say these things PROBABLY don't hold the first one as high as we might. There are people who hold terminator over T2, I think they're bonkers, but there's JUST SO MUCH that goes into everyone's reasons of how much and why they like a film. There are people who like predator 2 more, why? It just has some element that's special to them over all else that the first had, like non-stop action vs suspense, more predator screen time, yada yada yada, you get it, everyone gets it, i'm just grinding metal now.
How was the music/score?
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 22, 2022, 10:20:49 PMHow was the music/score?
Fantastic. Sarah Schachner really nailed it for this movie.
Pred facial anatomy?
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 22, 2022, 11:13:28 PMPred facial anatomy?
It's different, I just took it as a separate breed or race but not to a heavy extent like Mr. Black or Upgrade. Looked good and I enjoyed it but I can see some fans taking issue with it.
i mean there are obvious questions to ask that could wait till the movie comes out.
is there a second predator? is the pistol just an easter egg?
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:36:48 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 22, 2022, 11:13:28 PMPred facial anatomy?
It's different, I just took it as a separate breed or race but not to a heavy extent like Mr. Black or Upgrade. Looked good and I enjoyed it but I can see some fans taking issue with it.
Is there still more weapons to see beside those glimpsed in the trailer and photos ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 22, 2022, 11:47:33 PMQuote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:36:48 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 22, 2022, 11:13:28 PMPred facial anatomy?
It's different, I just took it as a separate breed or race but not to a heavy extent like Mr. Black or Upgrade. Looked good and I enjoyed it but I can see some fans taking issue with it.
Is there still more weapons to see beside those glimpsed in the trailer and photos ?
Yes.
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 22, 2022, 11:47:04 PMi mean there are obvious questions to ask that could wait till the movie comes out.
is there a second predator? is the pistol just an easter egg?
It's best to go into this not knowing things but if you really want to know...
Spoiler
Only one Predator, but the pistol isn't just an Easter egg.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:50:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 22, 2022, 11:47:33 PMQuote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:36:48 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 22, 2022, 11:13:28 PMPred facial anatomy?
It's different, I just took it as a separate breed or race but not to a heavy extent like Mr. Black or Upgrade. Looked good and I enjoyed it but I can see some fans taking issue with it.
Is there still more weapons to see beside those glimpsed in the trailer and photos ?
Yes.
Magnificent, thank you !
Sucks it's not at cinema
This 100%. Predator 2 is the very best Predator movie.
Ignoring spoilers best I can now. Really wish it was in theaters.
Any details you can give about the plot? Anything you didn't like?
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:50:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 22, 2022, 11:47:33 PMQuote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:36:48 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 22, 2022, 11:13:28 PMPred facial anatomy?
It's different, I just took it as a separate breed or race but not to a heavy extent like Mr. Black or Upgrade. Looked good and I enjoyed it but I can see some fans taking issue with it.
Is there still more weapons to see beside those glimpsed in the trailer and photos ?
Yes.
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Jul 22, 2022, 11:47:04 PMi mean there are obvious questions to ask that could wait till the movie comes out.
is there a second predator? is the pistol just an easter egg?
It's best to go into this not knowing things but if you really want to know...
Spoiler
Only one Predator, but the pistol isn't just an Easter egg.
Can you tell me how the final fight ends ? How Predator dies and if.
Why do people want the movie spoiled for them? 🤷 It's out in less than two weeks...
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 23, 2022, 01:08:41 AMWhy do people want the movie spoiled for them? 🤷 It's out in less than two weeks...
Some of us don't care much, I don't have Hulu, haven't even thought how and if I will watch this movie before it makes its way to piratebay.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 23, 2022, 01:08:41 AMWhy do people want the movie spoiled for them? 🤷 It's out in less than two weeks...
I'm of the belief that you have a better and more rewarding experience if you go in as blind as possible.
I won't be able to watch the movie in the foreseeable future due to life commitments so it's inevitably going to get spoiled for me before I can see it.
So I'd rather be in control of spoiling it and if the film is good, it won't matter.
So....who was Spyglass? ;D
Pls pls someone tell me,is the soundtrack anything like the P-2 soundtrack? Are the classic themes in it? A yes or no will be enough!
Quote from: ___0zymandias___ on Jul 23, 2022, 04:31:05 AMPls pls someone tell me,is the soundtrack anything like the P-2 soundtrack? Are the classic themes in it? A yes or no will be enough!
Spoiler
Only thing it really has in common with the P2 score is there are good tribal elements. But this is very much its own thing and better for it. Not Silvestri like at all. It does not have the theme. It's the most unique of the series' subsequent scores.
Look, maybe the film is great. I don't know, but the early reactions for movies are always positive. For example, the early reactions to The Rise of Skywalker were glowing. That's a result of access media. It's a folly to put stock in early reactions.
What about putting stock in the early reactions of people you know and trust?
I don't know, much less trust, anyone on this site. Sorry to be an arsehole but quite frankly, most people here like AVP: Requiem. Not exactly a trustworthy source. Having said that, I hope Prey is good. Time will tell.
So the face, practical or CGI?
Also, access media is a thing. Early reactions from social media are as worthless. as they are disingenuous.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 06:57:01 AMLook, maybe the film is great. I don't know, but the early reactions for movies are always positive. For example, the early reactions to The Rise of Skywalker were glowing. That's a result of access media. It's a folly to put stock in early reactions.
While this is sometimes true, I feel the advanced screening members have enough fans scattered among them, plus reports of fans here, plus as far as I can see, nobody's said a bad word about it yet, which anyone would admit, is kinda strange.
Usually these reviews come with side comments like " but has pacing issues". I've not seen any of that so far.
Also nobody likes Requiem , only ridgetop :laugh:
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:07:17 AMI don't know, much less trust, anyone on this site. Sorry to be an arsehole but quite frankly, most people here like AVP: Requiem. Not exactly a trustworthy source. Having said that, I hope Prey is good. Time will tell.
I acknowledge the AvPR situation and many more details in the early reaction video that Ridgetop and I recorded today. Should be up soon.
Look, man; I hope the film is good and it probably is. My sole point is that early reactions on social media are utterly pointless. They are meaningless. I cannot stress that enough. Positive or negative, they hold no value (though it should be noted that they're always positive).
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:07:17 AMI don't know, much less trust, anyone on this site. Sorry to be an arsehole but quite frankly, most people here like AVP: Requiem. Not exactly a trustworthy source. Having said that, I hope Prey is good. Time will tell.
I mean I like AVPR, but most here don't, I wish I wasn't so alone...
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 06:57:01 AMLook, maybe the film is great. I don't know, but the early reactions for movies are always positive. For example, the early reactions to The Rise of Skywalker were glowing. That's a result of access media. It's a folly to put stock in early reactions.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/09/07/the-predator-early-reactions-are-in/
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:19:30 AMLook, man; I hope the film is good and it probably is. My sole point is that early reactions on social media are utterly pointless. They are meaningless. I cannot stress that enough. Positive or negative, they hold no value (though it should be noted that they're always positive).
I also speak on how I've been to many early screenings, and have not liked a film while everyone else has. I'm saying it's a good Predator movie from someone who's been a part of this site for 20 years. But definitely understand and you should form your own opinion. This movie is much different from our recent outings.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:07:17 AMI don't know, much less trust, anyone on this site. Sorry to be an arsehole but quite frankly, most people here like AVP: Requiem. Not exactly a trustworthy source. Having said that, I hope Prey is good. Time will tell.
Hate that for you but I wasn't talking about you specifically. If people know and trust others from this site who've seen the movie and liked it then it's by no means unreasonable to get excited by what they have to say.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/09/07/the-predator-early-reactions-are-in/
That's the exception to the rule. It's kinda cheating to use The Predator as an example. It's one of the worst movies ever made. The fact that the reactions were lukewarm/mixed speaks volumes. As though that travesty deserved anything other than scathing bile.
"I also speak on how I've been to many early screenings, and have not liked a film while everyone else has. I'm saying it's a good Predator movie from someone who's been a part of this site for 20 years."
The length of time you've frequented a website does not increase the worth of your opinion.
"Hate that for you but I wasn't talking about you specifically. If people know and trust others from this site who've seen the movie and liked it then it's by no means unreasonable to get excited by what they have to say."
Nobody is saying that you can't like the movie. In fact, I'm hoping to like it too. Doesn't change the fact that early reactions on social media are BS.
(sorry, I'm on mobile and as such, I can't do quotes properly)
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:19:30 AMLook, man; I hope the film is good and it probably is. My sole point is that early reactions on social media are utterly pointless. They are meaningless. I cannot stress that enough. Positive or negative, they hold no value (though it should be noted that they're always positive).
true true
but Cdl counts as trustworthy source. and so far he has had nothing but praise.
Cdl = Charles de Lauzirika
where the hell is SM ?
But that's operating under the assumption that my tastes align with Cdl's. It's also rather suggestive that Cdl's tastes are impeccable. Personally, I care to form my own opinions, as opposed to allowing others to tell me what to think.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:55:57 AMBut that's operating under the assumption that my tastes align with Cdl's. It's also rather suggestive that Cdl's tastes are impeccable. Personally, I care to form my own opinions, as opposed to allowing others to tell me what to think.
So watch it and form your own opinion. Just because majority of initial reactions are positive doesn't mean you have to trust us and yeah anyone could very well not like it based on personal taste. Sharing reactions isn't telling others what to think, it's just expressing opinions and recommendations.
Okay, it's understood. You don't trust others opinions. Perhaps you'll revisit this thread in 2 weeks time then with your own contribution and someone will trust those :)
But for those who are interested, RidgeTop and Mikey's spoiler-free early impressions will be up later this evening (UK evenings).
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:50:31 PMSpoiler
Only one Predator, but the pistol isn't just an Easter egg.
Spoiler
Greyback or other P2 related cameo in the film (beyond the pistol of course)?
A simple yes or no is enough, please do not tell exact things/scenes. 🙂
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:30:18 AMNobody is saying that you can't like the movie. In fact, I'm hoping to like it too. Doesn't change the fact that early reactions on social media are BS.
This has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
You're acting like all of these reactions are random internet users for everyone here. They're not. Some are known and respected individuals to users here, with personal histories and relations.
It's a pity you're not in that boat but that doesn't mean you need to piss on everyone else's parade.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 23, 2022, 08:20:23 AMQuote from: RidgeTop on Jul 22, 2022, 11:50:31 PMSpoiler
Only one Predator, but the pistol isn't just an Easter egg.
Spoiler
Greyback or other P2 related cameo in the film (beyond the pistol of course)?
Better yet don't click on the spoiler tags if you don't want to be spoiled.
Yep, already done f**k up once doing that yesterday, f**k me :laugh:
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 23, 2022, 08:31:03 AMBetter yet don't click on the spoiler tags if you don't want to be spoiled.
Should I consider this as an answer to my question? :D
Answer wisely if you want to answer, without giving away any specific info. :P
Anyway...I asked because I want to spoil myself what I want to know. ;) I am a curious man. 8)
From what he said the answer to your question is no.
Quote from: oduodu on Jul 23, 2022, 07:46:23 AMwhere the hell is SM ?
Went to his homeplanet
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:07:17 AMmost people here like AVP: Requiem. .
Are you trolling or something ? Good luck naming at least 5
I hope there are skinned bodies or some spine ripping. Haven't got this since Predators.
Question for the ones who have seen the movie, I just need to know one thing.. (Without spoilers)
As a diehard fan of the original 1987 Predator.
His pacing to the hunt and study of his prey, the way he would patiently stalk, his use of cloak and his taunting mimic, his careful and thought-induced timing to strike and his specific actual movement have for me defined what a predator is and should always aspire to be within in a film.
Does Prey come close or at least try to take inspiration from that form, that predator.
Or is this feral predator something else entirely...
Thanks!
Did you guys catch Mr. H comments about the reviews? I understand that he was trying to remain conservative about all of the positive reviews but it felt like he was writing it off because it was a premiere. I usually take his comments seriously because more often than not. My views usually align with his. But for this one I think he's off. In this case I hold Ridge-tops review in higher regard. I mean hell, Adam is an Admin for the site.What does everyone think?
Probably staying cautiously optimistic.
Never been a fan of Mr. H
If the early reactions were negative folks would be going "See?!! I told you it was going to suck!"
Best just to wait and make your own opinion. However some positive buzz is a great thing for this franchise. It's about time I say.
i stopped paying any attention to him way back during the lead up to The Predator. want nothing to do with him.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 23, 2022, 01:48:26 PMNever been a fan of Mr. H
If the early reactions were negative folks would be going "See?!! I told you it was going to suck!"
Best just to wait and make your own opinion. However some positive buzz is a great thing for this franchise. It's about time I say.
I agree. Actually, I think many people wanted this movie to fail in the first place.
In my honest opinion, MR.H is a f**king idiot.
Alright folk, let's leave it at that, please. It's not the intent of the thread.
Quote from: Xerxész on Jul 23, 2022, 10:05:54 AMQuote from: RidgeTop on Jul 23, 2022, 08:31:03 AMBetter yet don't click on the spoiler tags if you don't want to be spoiled.
Should I consider this as an answer to my question? :D
Answer wisely if you want to answer, without giving away any specific info. :P
Anyway...I asked because I want to spoil myself what I want to know. ;) I am a curious man. 8)
Ok I'm sorry. I read your comment wrong. Thought you were saying I was saying too much in answering the other user's question.
So to answer yours, happy to give a yes or no, and it's...
Spoiler
No.
Good job guys ! Thank you for answering my questions in a clear and non-spoilery way ;)
I will wait a month to see what people think then, ona premier most are hyped and its too enw to have a objective view on it, heck I myself liked prometheus after the cinema visit, and I remember people here liking it, the predator etc but after a while people started to change and hating it :P
Well internet reviewers is what I will use for my understanding of the movie until they release this on bluray/DVD but thats not likely to happen...So if that is the case: one less buyer of the movie.
Just watch it on Hulu mate, we are not likely to get another one anytime soon, make a special event of it!
First reactions to The Predator weren't near as positive as this one is getting though.
Not even bloody close.
Yep I'd say they were lukewarm/mixed, before things turned to shit. We're pretty far from that here.
Even though it doesn't cost anything to stay reasonably cautious, I think I'm really going to enjoy this movie.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 23, 2022, 05:02:45 PMJust watch it on Hulu mate, we are not likely to get another one anytime soon, make a special event of it!
NEVER! ;D
Gotta stand my ground to make it clear I want the movies/culture saved for the future and not a live service type where we have it now but its gone in 30 years time or: this version of the movie dont exist anymore and you cant ever see it again. *cough* star wars, not f**king episode IV. *cough*
And have 0 interest in paying another streaming service in which I have zero interest in, all they have is prey when its released there.
I might watch it at a friends place if anyone of them bother to have hulu, most have netflix or disney+ and thats it.
It's on Disney+ in civilized countries.
Also pirates will absolutely preserve it, but if Disney's got no intention of releasing it physically, you not watching it on Hulu or Disney+ and encouraging others not to will not encourage them to release it physically, in fact perhaps the opposite honestly.
I will protest wanting more movies by not supporting movies! Genius!
Lol, what is wrong with I want to buy the movies on physical media?
hopefully if the movie is good
and they release a 4k blu ray i can get it there.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 23, 2022, 06:31:33 PMLol, what is wrong with I want to buy the movies on physical media?
Nothing. But your suggested solution/protest is needlessly convoluted at best, and actively harms your own cause at worst.
Quote from: PredatorvsAliens on Jul 23, 2022, 10:44:36 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jul 23, 2022, 10:28:35 PMNice reactions! I'm so ready for a good film again. I'm pretty excited for this one, way more than The Predator. It still breaks my heart I can't watch this in a theater or own it physically. :'(
I straight up skipped The Predator when it hit theaters. It was actually worse than even I feared when I finally did watched it.
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=30664 (https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=30664)
(A Blu-ray release is expected to be announced later this year)
Apparently there´s something on the end credits.
https://sffgazette.com/sci-fi/movies/prey-director-reveals-whether-the-film-has-post-credits-scene-and-a1866#gs.6nxfl7
By the way. I love Predator 2, specially the end scene.
There were two versions of the mask according to Dan.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=PREY+Cast%2C+Crew+Tease+Violent+Predator+Origin+Film+(SDCC+Interview)
I've seen a full spoiler summary you can find it online. Granted there's a big difference between reading and actually seeing but I can't imagine this outshines Predator 2.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2022, 10:50:10 PMQuote from: judge death on Jul 23, 2022, 06:31:33 PMLol, what is wrong with I want to buy the movies on physical media?
Nothing. But your suggested solution/protest is needlessly convoluted at best, and actively harms your own cause at worst.
Curious: So how do I make it clear to disney that all movies released online must be released on DVD/Bluray? I dont see how by paying and supporting the online business model will help to get them to release the movie on bluray/DVD? When Disney said in all news they are moving away from it and aims to only have it on their stream services:
https://www.cbr.com/disney-no-current-plans-release-marvel-shows-dvd-blu-ray/
2 years old on mandalorian, still no bluray or DVD and its a tv series that has sold crazily well:
Or has disney a history of: OK this movie has a lot of streamings, lets release it on bluray and DVD? I havent seen that but Im gladly proven wrong :D
In the past and in gaming industry as well, the best tactic has been to vote with the wallet. In my view by paying for hulu or disney+ Im supporting the online only business model, they got my money and a new subscriber to it: their plan is then succesfull, making any reason to sell the movie on physical media less likely in the future, why should they when that harms their disney+ plan?
As a home theatre enthusiast, while having the disc ( for the sound in particular) is sometimes better, Disney are releasing Marvel movies in IMAX inhanced with Dolby vision, which is quite honestly a better product than a disc.
Now they likely won't do that with prey , but streaming has come on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years.
I know I'd personally pay money for higher quality streaming versions ( 4K/imax enhanced) if that ever became a thing.
I like actually owning things.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2022, 04:10:21 AMI like actually owning things.
Me too, I pretty much always buy the disc as I like knowing the quality is maxed out.
....but, imax enhanced is literally a better product. It's weird they don't release these on discs, but perhaps that's to keep the streamers.
I'm not commenting at all on the quality, but rather actually having things and not perpetually renting them from a company.
Give me VHS if that's the only format I can own.
yeah im not a fan of streaming services
you dont own anything and whenever they want they can remove the content.
i actually like to have collections it feels special instead of just an app you click.
just a quick question for the few who've had the privilege of watching the screening.. a simple yes or no would suffice. related to the role of kyle strauts
Spoiler
should we expect to see any other creatures besides the ones already shown in the trailer (namely bear, dog, horse, feral predator)?
As someone that owns vinyl records. I get wanting to own things, but I like streaming services personally as an addition.
For the price of a couple beers I get near on unlimited content at the touch of a button.
Getting Prey beamed to your home is pretty cool I reckon!
Quote from: Highland on Jul 24, 2022, 01:50:15 PMAs someone that owns vinyl records. I get wanting to own things, but I like streaming services personally as an addition.
As an addition, yes. As a sole means of having access to movies and shows, no.
I wouldn't be TO excited about this movie. I hope i am wrong but from what i read about the ending concerning the predator i personally am a bit dissapointed.
O well, i hope it is done in a satisfying way. Hope i will really enjoy it. It's all about the execution of an idea.
That's a no brainer. They would never go that path though.
There's a whole hardware industry worth billions that would just vanish.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 25, 2022, 01:40:59 AMThat's a no brainer. They would never go that path though.
There's a whole hardware industry worth billions that would just vanish.
Film studios don't care. As soon as every market has reliable enough internet to make streaming feasible, goodnight physical media.
Extended chat with Ridgetop from our initial reaction video featuring footage from the premiere, after party and more is going to be up on my channel in a few hours. It's about 10 minutes longer with some more questions answered. But still not a spoiler in sight. Will have a video on that closer to or on the date of the release.
You'll be able to see it at https://youtube.com/c/MikesMonsters
Glad so many of you enjoyed the original video! This one is much less Ridgetop and I just talking at the camera.
This shill is going to sleep for a week.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 25, 2022, 07:48:25 AMQuote from: Highland on Jul 25, 2022, 01:40:59 AMThat's a no brainer. They would never go that path though.
There's a whole hardware industry worth billions that would just vanish.
Film studios don't care. As soon as every market has reliable enough internet to make streaming feasible, goodnight physical media.
That's the kicker though, we won't. Not unless you're getting fibre to the premises.
Vinyl proves that it's not only about quality. Like you said, people like to own things.
I'm surprised no one (I think ?) asked anything about the dog.
Pretty sure I'm going to like that dog
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and be sad if Feral f**ks it up. I'd say it's likely to happen.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 25, 2022, 04:20:10 PMI'm surprised no one (I think ?) asked anything about the dog.
Pretty sure I'm going to like that dog Spoiler
and be sad if Feral f**ks it up. I'd say it's likely to happen.
I speak on the doggo and how he is involved with the film in my extended chat with Ridgetop. In short, doggo is f**king awesome too.
Video is live now!
Actually I have one unconsequential question that will probably amuse only me, but does the french trappers say anything in french ? Like french slur or some like that ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 25, 2022, 09:04:22 PMActually I have one unconsequential question that will probably amuse only me, but does the french trappers say anything in french ? Like french slur or some like that ?
They speak entirely in French. No subtitles either.
Mon Dieu
Le Predateur !
It's been a long time since school, but I should be able to understand them as long as they're talking about a black cat or shutting a door...
But won't they rather eat and make love with their faces than fight?
Saw the movie at a press screening in Burbank tonight was honestly disappointed with it in many respects. There's some things I like about it, a couple of great action sequences, but that's the extent of my enjoyment. Certainly better than the 2018 film but not the slam dunk I was hoping for.
Can you give an overview of what disappointed you?
I thought the script was weak, the characters outside of Naru were pretty flat, and the film overall felt unmemorable. There's a good chance my expectations might have been too high going into this because of the buzz over the weekend, but I don't know. There's more I want to say but can't without going into spoilers.
There are spoiler tags.
Also, weirdly, everything you said still puts this at "the best since the original" territory. It's a low bar to clear.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 25, 2022, 09:56:21 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 25, 2022, 09:04:22 PMActually I have one unconsequential question that will probably amuse only me, but does the french trappers say anything in french ? Like french slur or some like that ?
They speak entirely in French. No subtitles either.
I think I creamed my pants.
Edit : I just saw that at least two actors playing the trappers are from the Quebec region of Canada... So they won't have the french accent from France unless they learned it and played it that way.
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2022, 11:06:57 PMBut won't they rather eat and make love with their faces than fight?
We do all that at the same time don't worry.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 26, 2022, 01:12:56 PMI think I creamed my pants.
Edit : I just saw that at least two actors playing the trappers are from the Quebec region of Canada... So they won't have the french accent from France unless they learned it and played it that way.
Ive been told from a friend from France, that we Quebecers have an accent similar to the more rural areas of France, which more closely resembles older french of the time.
Duuuh
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 26, 2022, 08:48:57 AMSaw the movie at a press screening in Burbank tonight was honestly disappointed with it in many respects. There's some things I like about it, a couple of great action sequences, but that's the extent of my enjoyment. Certainly better than the 2018 film but not the slam dunk I was hoping for.
How would you rank it? Did you find it disappointing but good or disappointing and bad?
Quote from: immortalundead on Jul 26, 2022, 04:07:52 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 26, 2022, 01:12:56 PMI think I creamed my pants.
Edit : I just saw that at least two actors playing the trappers are from the Quebec region of Canada... So they won't have the french accent from France unless they learned it and played it that way.
Ive been told from a friend from France, that we Quebecers have an accent similar to the more rural areas of France, which more closely resembles older french of the time.
Well... It's complicated ;D
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2022, 04:40:05 PMQuote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 26, 2022, 08:48:57 AMSaw the movie at a press screening in Burbank tonight was honestly disappointed with it in many respects. There's some things I like about it, a couple of great action sequences, but that's the extent of my enjoyment. Certainly better than the 2018 film but not the slam dunk I was hoping for.
How would you rank it? Did you find it disappointing but good or disappointing and bad?
I found it to be disappointing and meh, not a bad movie just forgettable sort of like Predators. My ranking for Predator movies right now is:
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
Prey
The Predator
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 26, 2022, 08:45:09 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2022, 04:40:05 PMQuote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 26, 2022, 08:48:57 AMSaw the movie at a press screening in Burbank tonight was honestly disappointed with it in many respects. There's some things I like about it, a couple of great action sequences, but that's the extent of my enjoyment. Certainly better than the 2018 film but not the slam dunk I was hoping for.
How would you rank it? Did you find it disappointing but good or disappointing and bad?
I found it to be disappointing and meh, not a bad movie just forgettable sort of like Predators. My ranking for Predator movies right now is:
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
Prey
The Predator
You don't want to elaborate with some spoiler tags as to why?
Just got back from the premiere and been chewing this over on the journey home. I actually ended up sat next to Dan. I just looked across and was like "is that Dan?!" And it was. Chatted to him a little after the film was done. Really looking forward to having him on the poddy.
But yeah, not getting into details, that was f**king awesome. Objectively better than Predators (and you know how much I love Predators). Very tight, very focused. It's very much Naru's (with Tabe as support) film, and it works for it. Doesn't feel like it was only 90 minutes, and I don't mean that in a bad way. On a technical level, I thought it worked fantastically.
Dane was awesome. I just loved Feral's portrayal. Lot's of cool creature stuff for sure, that I can't wait to talk about more. Just the way he looked and moved was amazing. That mask is really something. It looks fantastic. Not too sure on the unmasked face though.
There's only one thing that really bugs me about how the film was handled, which I can get into later. But all in all, really f**king good experience. A perfect example of how flexible the Predator franchise is and how well it can work. I really can't wait to see this again.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2022, 10:21:17 PMJust got back from the premiere and been chewing this over on the journey home. I actually ended up sat next to Dan. I just looked across and was like "is that Dan?!" And it was. Chatted to him a little after the film was done. Really looking forward to having him on the poddy.
But yeah, not getting into details, that was f**king awesome. Objectively better than Predators (and you know how much I love Predators). Very tight, very focused. It's very much Naru's (with Tabe as support) film, and it works for it. Doesn't feel like it was only 90 minutes, and I don't mean that in a bad way. On a technical level, I thought it worked fantastically.
Dane was awesome. I just loved Feral's portrayal. Lot's of cool creature stuff for sure, that I can't wait to talk about more. Just the way he looked and moved was amazing. That mask is really something. It looks fantastic. Not too sure on the unmasked face though.
There's only one thing that really bugs me about how the film was handled, which I can get into later. But all in all, really f**king good experience. A perfect example of how flexible the Predator franchise is and how well it can work. I really can't wait to see this again.
Awesome, thanks for the thoughts. You feel comfortable placing it in a list of the Predator movies yet?
Aside from The Predator just being down at the bottom, and Predator at the top, I flit between Predator 2 and Predators depending on my mood. Like I said, Prey is an objectively better film than Predators for sure. But I think this edges out Predator 2 for me because it just does more of what I've been wanting from a Predator film - a period piece, more interesting ways of fighting with the Predator. It's that smaller, more focused film that I've been asking for. This feels like it was made for me, in the same way I feel like Into Charybdis was made for me.
I'll be interested to hear what the thing that bugs you about it is but overall, I'm pretty confident I'll enjoy it from what you've said
Quote from: Doomofman on Jul 26, 2022, 10:49:38 PMI'll be interested to hear what the thing that bugs you about it is
Spoilers.
Spoiler
So the speargun's projectiles are "smart" in the sense that they go where the targetting lasers go. I don't like the way that Feral seems to not realize this when trying to use the speargun when he doesn't have his mask on because it does contribute towards his death.
It's fully established how it works, we see how it's to the detriment prior to the end of the film, but it just feels like it dumbs Feral down too much by him not remembering. Granted, there's other circumstances going off and etc, but I feel it could have been a bit better handled.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2022, 10:32:13 PMAside from The Predator just being down at the bottom, and Predator at the top, I flit between Predator 2 and Predators depending on my mood. Like I said, Prey is an objectively better film than Predators for sure. But I think this edges out Predator 2 for me because it just does more of what I've been wanting from a Predator film - a period piece, more interesting ways of fighting with the Predator. It's that smaller, more focused film that I've been asking for. This feels like it was made for me, in the same way I feel like Into Charybdis was made for me.
I attended a screening last night. I agree with you here. It's my third favorite Predator film, right after the original and
Predator 2. I liked it more than
Predators and its leaps and bounds better than the
The Predator. I have very few minor nitpicks that I'll get into after more people have seen the movie, but the cinematography is beautiful and I really loved Feral Predator. I do think his unmasked look will be a little divisive though, but overall, I was fine with the design. I just wish they went full
Apocalypto and made the Comanche language with subtitles the definitive standard version. It would've up the authenticity a few notches.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2022, 10:56:08 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jul 26, 2022, 10:49:38 PMI'll be interested to hear what the thing that bugs you about it is
Spoilers.
Spoiler
So the speargun's projectiles are "smart" in the sense that they go where the targetting lasers go. I don't like the way that Feral seems to not realize this when trying to use the speargun when he doesn't have his mask on because it does contribute towards his death.
It's fully established how it works, we see how it's to the detriment prior to the end of the film, but it just feels like it dumbs Feral down too much by him not remembering. Granted, there's other circumstances going off and etc, but I feel it could have been a bit better handled.
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Smart remote controlled flying spears are fine but the shoulder cannon would be an "instant win" button?
I really wish Dan had just said he wanted to try something different :laugh:
Amazing to see more positive reviews from trustworthy sources coming out, I'm absolutely stoked for this now, this is exactly what the franchise has been needing for a long time! ;D
Didn't someone post a synopsis of the film??? I swear I found it the other day and now I cannot find it again...
seeing more and more positivity is really lovely
Seeing all these spoiler tags hurt my brain. I want august 5th to be f**king now.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 27, 2022, 02:03:15 PMSeeing all these spoiler tags hurt my brain. I want august 5th to be f**king now.
Or you can read the spoilers and then you will kinda know what to expect. Setting up your expectations to a real level is key for not to be disappointed in the end. :D
Nah, I did that for The Predator already. I want to be surprised as much as possible.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 27, 2022, 03:24:47 PMNah, I did that for The Predator already. I want to be surprised as much as possible.
Me too, but I did it again for Prey.
Although I already know the synopsis, I will still enjoy the film. You know...based on the summary I imagine the scenes in MY way, but of course the film will depict them in a completely different way. So there will be suprise. ;) :D
I had scripts for both Predators and The Predator long before the premiere so I kinda want to be surprised this time too!
I can't help but read spoilers as soon as they're available. I have zero self control for these sorts of things :laugh:
Pretty much avoided spoilers so far. I want to experience this movie fresh without knowing everything going in.
Definitely doing my best to read through stuff and dodge any type of spoiler, it has been a task.
Though I have to commend the community here because everyone who knows something has been great and respectful to the people who know nothing.
I almost made it without spoiling anything big. 8 more days to go.
It's raining 1's on IMDB/ Are those trolls and/or bots?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11866324/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Quote from: 343 on Jul 31, 2022, 02:33:53 PMIt's raining 1's on IMDB/ Are those trolls and/or bots?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11866324/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Both, probably.
But tbf, the movie also has even more straight 10's already, which is just as dumb. Not a chance that even half of those are real as well.
IMDB is just useless when it comes to this.
Quote from: 343 on Jul 31, 2022, 02:33:53 PMIt's raining 1's on IMDB/ Are those trolls and/or bots?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11866324/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Musclemen
I like how every negative review barely goes into detail and makes sure to open up saying Naru would lose because she is a girl or is native (or wouldn't fight at all due to being a native girl)
Hopefully that will be the case.
All the reviews on twitter were positive to absolutely raving.
The 5th can't come any faster and hopefully the rating will go up.
IMDb user ratings aren't considered reliable and shouldn't be factored in to the film's quality. Too many troll review bombers in a space like that. Wouldn't worry too much about it.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 31, 2022, 05:53:13 PMIMDb user ratings aren't considered reliable and shouldn't be factored in to the film's quality. Too many troll review bombers in a space like that. Wouldn't worry too much about it.
Well, maybe not reliable before the movie officially opens, but after the movie opens i consider the ratings reliable if it's a good movie or not imho.
But still in the pre-opening days so there is still hope. :-)
I just want this movie to be a success.
Review bombing seems to be quite trendy these days. Seems extremely f**king brattish behaviour to me, though.
All the reviews I've seen online and on socual media are all glowing. So I'm going to trust that anyone with half an interest in this franchise (and even those who aren't) can't be wrong about this. Especially when they aren't shills.
What about the reviews over here?
We got (7.7%) that saying it could have been better.
Quote from: 343 on Jul 31, 2022, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 31, 2022, 05:53:13 PMIMDb user ratings aren't considered reliable and shouldn't be factored in to the film's quality. Too many troll review bombers in a space like that. Wouldn't worry too much about it.
Well, maybe not reliable before the movie officially opens, but after the movie opens i consider the ratings reliable if it's a good movie or not imho.
But still in the pre-opening days so there is still hope. :-)
I just want this movie to be a success.
There will still be bombers after it releases. Prehistoric Planet for some reason had a huge attack against it on IMDB post release, and mainly because it was behind a subscription service on AppleTV, which I don't think warrants review bombing.
Most people in the industry don't even bother giving IMDB reviews the time of day, much like they don't take stock on RT scores. You can say you mostly like a movie, but if you give too many complaints it'll look rotten, even if you have praise. The systems are flawed and shouldn't be taken as gospel when it comes to the quality of a film.
Quote from: Lionhart on Jul 31, 2022, 06:29:45 PMWhat about the reviews over here?
We got (7.7%) that saying it could have been better.
I suppose there's always going to be an element of "they could've/should've done this.." with every film - especially one belonging to a franchise which is so beloved and has been handed the shitty end of the stick with the last few installments.
But for a film with such a small budget (comparatively speaking) I doubt they'd be able to pay so many people to shill the film.
My guess for the 7.7% you mentioned is either they're peeved at specific parts of the film, or they went in with a specific "I wanted x to happen and it didn't" mentality.
Either way the majority of the feedback and responses have been positive. Most of them also believe it to be the 2nd best entry in tbe series.
Honestly, it baffles me when portions of a fanbase seems so intent on not liking something. I may go into films with expectations or worries like I did with Predators (never been so pleasantly surprised) or The Predator (I greatly soured on this one after watching it a few more times), but I never go in actively wanting to dislike a film.
It is utterly pathetic and yes I will judge you for it. Especially if it is for having "woke messaging" or anything of the sort either.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 01, 2022, 08:39:06 AMHonestly, it baffles me when portions of a fanbase seems so intent on not liking something. I may go into films with expectations or worries like I did with Predators (never been so pleasantly surprised) or The Predator (I greatly soured on this one after watching it a few more times), but I never go in actively wanting to dislike a film.
People want things to fit into the boxes they've imagined for them and don't like it when things step out of that box. They attack, the deride, they condescend, they dismiss, etc.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Jul 31, 2022, 08:32:38 PMEither way the majority of the feedback and responses have been positive. Most of them also believe it to be the 2nd best entry in tbe series.
Even if it's the third best, I would still be ok with that.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 01, 2022, 02:19:11 PMQuote from: funk_master_chunk on Jul 31, 2022, 08:32:38 PMEither way the majority of the feedback and responses have been positive. Most of them also believe it to be the 2nd best entry in tbe series.
Even if it's the third best, I would still be ok with that.
Oh yeah - Absolutely!!
The first is always going to be the best for me as, like I'm sure most people on here did, I grew up on a diet of Arnie films in the early 90s and he was my hero.
The second never hits the highs of the original but it's still a very good film. Strangely I used to feel much more unnerved by P2 than I ever did P1 - to the point where even on a recent viewing I felt the same unease at the exact same part in the film. (Where they chase CH through the subway and you see him run away and turn the corner - no clue why that part affected me haha).
So yeah, even if this was 3rd best, it'd still be a huge improvement on the other sequels.
Just cannot wait to see this on Friday now!!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 01, 2022, 02:19:11 PMQuote from: funk_master_chunk on Jul 31, 2022, 08:32:38 PMEither way the majority of the feedback and responses have been positive. Most of them also believe it to be the 2nd best entry in tbe series.
Even if it's the third best, I would still be ok with that.
I'm still finding it funny that some are finding it a bad thing if this new movie is good. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Prey being good, if not the best sequel takes absolutely nothing away from the previous films. They can both be good and that's a great thing. So many are acting like it's blasphemy that those who have seen it are saying it's good, maybe even the best sequel. Don't we want good Predator movies again?
Seeing how he is partly responsible for the hate wave that was formed before the first teaser was even here, yeah he should be praising the movie lol
He shouldn't have if it was a bad movie, but he was proven wrong.
Many people can't admit when they're wrong. So this is a good sign (again). :-)
I thought there was a review embargo until the 5th?
No embargo, they know it's good
It is embargoed until tomorrow (I think). But MrH didn't get it through Disney PR, so he's not bound by anything.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 02, 2022, 10:59:28 AMIt is embargoed until tomorrow (I think). But MrH didn't get it through Disney PR, so he's not bound by anything.
Oh groovy I'll be looking forward to reading those
I expect proper critic reviews to be less kind to the movie than it actually deserves.
Remember just because it doesn't have a good Metacritic/Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't mean you wont enjoy it
Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 02, 2022, 01:51:42 PMI expect proper critic reviews to be less kind to the movie than it actually deserves.
Remember just because it doesn't have a good Metacritic/Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't mean you wont enjoy it
Oh yeah same. Im more interested in the reviews off predator fans in particular Corporal Hicks' and Jeremy Jahns
6.6 on IMDB right now, but considering what all has been said about trolls in the ratings, I wouldn't give that much credit.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 02, 2022, 04:23:26 PM6.6 on IMDB right now, but considering what all has been said about trolls in the ratings, I wouldn't give that much credit.
Yeah I wouldn't put much stock in that whilst the film isnt out yet. But still if it does sit around 6.6. Thats more than Predator 2 & Predators
True.
Man I'm so satisfied right now. That was awesome. Just bloody simple (and yes bloody ;D ) and precise. Beautifully shot, performed and executed. Just, well, damn. Catching it in the cinema was a treat, wish it was getting a general cinema release, regardless, Predator fans are in for a treat. Some of the kills in this, wowee, made me giddy as hell. ;D
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 23, 2022, 07:19:46 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 07:07:17 AMI don't know, much less trust, anyone on this site. Sorry to be an arsehole but quite frankly, most people here like AVP: Requiem. Not exactly a trustworthy source. Having said that, I hope Prey is good. Time will tell.
I mean I like AVPR, but most here don't, I wish I wasn't so alone...
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 23, 2022, 06:57:01 AMLook, maybe the film is great. I don't know, but the early reactions for movies are always positive. For example, the early reactions to The Rise of Skywalker were glowing. That's a result of access media. It's a folly to put stock in early reactions.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/09/07/the-predator-early-reactions-are-in/
I actually enjoy watching AVPR from time to time... mainly because I just take it for what it is, essentially a B-movie from the 80's made in the 2000's.
Anyway, totally excited for Prey!
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Aug 03, 2022, 01:29:58 PMMan I'm so satisfied right now. That was awesome. Just bloody simple (and yes bloody ;D ) and precise. Beautifully shot, performed and executed. Just, well, damn. Catching it in the cinema was a treat, wish it was getting a general cinema release, regardless, Predator fans are in for a treat. Some of the kills in this, wowee, made me giddy as hell. ;D
I'm giddy just reading this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2022, 10:56:08 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Jul 26, 2022, 10:49:38 PMI'll be interested to hear what the thing that bugs you about it is
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So the speargun's projectiles are "smart" in the sense that they go where the targetting lasers go. I don't like the way that Feral seems to not realize this when trying to use the speargun when he doesn't have his mask on because it does contribute towards his death.
It's fully established how it works, we see how it's to the detriment prior to the end of the film, but it just feels like it dumbs Feral down too much by him not remembering. Granted, there's other circumstances going off and etc, but I feel it could have been a bit better handled.
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Sort of see where you're coming from but I think he's just too incensed by this point and just used his projectiles in blind rage; he's also battered, wounded, almost drowned in mud... Ol feral mate is a proud and cocky boi, too. ;D
I heard Feral was a pretty sadistic f**ker. I can't wait to see that.
He gives no f**ks. ;D
Man oh man.
Its nice that Mr. H likes the movie on it's own merits but regardless of that along with Critical Drinker he was one of the people who popularized the misogynistic stuff about a female lead. Even the way that he promounced "woman" as "wahmen" in the review is the way that is popular with misogynist.
Yeah agreed, Critical Drinker in particular needs to get f**king deplatformed the absolute c**t.
Critical Drinker and HeelvsBabyface coming out as hard as they did regarding the trailer turned me off. They're so hyper-sensitive to female protagonists. I follow them, but I had an intuitive feeling that Prey was different from a typical "the message" film they so often rip on. They're partly the reason why this movie faces such an incredible uphill battle for sci-fi fans. Most people don't even care that the director's last movie was freaking awesome. Female protagonist, oh it's "woke" they say. Ughhhhhh. Props to Mr. H for keeping it real.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 03, 2022, 03:41:44 PMCritical Drinker and HeelvsBabyface coming out as hard as they did regarding the trailer turned me off. They're so hyper-sensitive to female protagonists. I follow them, but I had an intuitive feeling that Prey was different from a typical "the message" film they so often rip on. They're partly the reason why this movie faces such an incredible uphill battle for sci-fi fans. Most people don't even care that the director's last movie was freaking awesome. Female protagonist, oh it's "woke" they say. Ughhhhhh. Props to Mr. H for keeping it real.
I know what you mean. As much as I also do not like Mr. H bashing on the film before release solely because of a female lead, at least he is able to give the movie a fair chance once he has seen it.
So I said I would allow "woke" discussion if it didn't make me want to claw my eyeballs out. Those last 6 pages made me want to claw them out. Look folk, I view this the same way I view any discussions on positives or negatives - I only care how you present your opinions. If you can't discuss like adults with actual constructive content I will just get rid of it.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 03, 2022, 03:41:44 PMCritical Drinker and HeelvsBabyface coming out as hard as they did regarding the trailer turned me off. They're so hyper-sensitive to female protagonists. I follow them, but I had an intuitive feeling that Prey was different from a typical "the message" film they so often rip on. They're partly the reason why this movie faces such an incredible uphill battle for sci-fi fans. Most people don't even care that the director's last movie was freaking awesome. Female protagonist, oh it's "woke" they say. Ughhhhhh. Props to Mr. H for keeping it real.
If they are so good critics, we should expect them to review the plot (a sci-fi tale set in a distinctive historical period), the characters, worldbuilding, the music or even deliver aesthetic criticism on Feral design, CGI, practical FX and the cinematography of the film.
If they're that smart, they should eat their misogynistic rhetoric so they can judge Naru for what she is: a lead female character from the Comanche nation, and based on reactions so far; an absolutely superb one. So, if it works, then should be no problema with her defeating the Predator. After all, execution is what matter and confirmation bias could negatively affect objective criticism.
That being said, I don't like to watch their content, but I will definitely watch their review on this film, for the sake of curiosity. 😂
So, we'll see. 🤔
I've said this in another thread but I'll also repeat it here. My take away from the film was nothing to do with going against any gender norms. Unless I missed something - and I'll find out tomorrow - what I took from it was
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that the tribe/her mother was more interested in Naru's medical skills which she demonstrates fairly early on and regularly throughout the film, thinking she has more to offer through that than any desire to go hunting. At no point do I recall anyone saying to her "no, it's not a woman's place" or anything like that.
fwiw
a lot of fans have asked for a female lead in predator for a long time and a male lead in alien. weaver in alien changed people s perception of a woman s role in dangerous male dommiated jobs. and cameron pushed this moreso in aliens
. i really dont get what the fuss is about.
maybe disney have
listened.
so far the demeannor of the predator in this film is
he is one effing badass.....
looks great
fwiw
Just set up a Disney+ subscription purely for this. I'll only keep it for the month but I can't not watch this with the reception it's getting.
Still gutted it's not gonna be in cinemas but I'm looking forward to seeing it tomorrow. Anyone have any idea when it's going live in the UK?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 11:43:38 AMJust set up a Disney+ subscription purely for this. I'll only keep it for the month but I can't not watch this with the reception it's getting.
Still gutted it's not gonna be in cinemas but I'm looking forward to seeing it tomorrow. Anyone have any idea when it's going live in the UK?
Seems to be either 5am or 7am (So midnight either Eastern or Pacific US time) though no one is 100% sure
As in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PMAs in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
I think it will be available from 08:00 tomorrow. Appears to be that way with past content on Disney.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 12:15:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PMAs in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
I think it will be available from 08:00 tomorrow. Appears to be that way with past content on Disney.
I think the idea is that because it's a Hulu release in the states, where usually the Disney+ stuff here is also Disney+ in the US, that it might work a bit different but literally only time will tell haha
Cool.
Thanks, y'all.
Oh man so jelous of you, I am from Kazakhstan and apparently Hulu and Disney+ doesn't work here, guess I would need to wait for some pirating ;D
Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 04, 2022, 12:17:53 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 12:15:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PMAs in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
I think it will be available from 08:00 tomorrow. Appears to be that way with past content on Disney.
I think the idea is that because it's a Hulu release in the states, where usually the Disney+ stuff here is also Disney+ in the US, that it might work a bit different but literally only time will tell haha
I've booked the afternoon off work so won't be watching it until closer to 14:00 anyway. Should be on by then. 😁
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 01:17:53 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Aug 04, 2022, 12:17:53 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 12:15:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PMAs in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
I think it will be available from 08:00 tomorrow. Appears to be that way with past content on Disney.
I think the idea is that because it's a Hulu release in the states, where usually the Disney+ stuff here is also Disney+ in the US, that it might work a bit different but literally only time will tell haha
I've booked the afternoon off work so won't be watching it until closer to 14:00 anyway. Should be on by then. 😁
I've done the same, though I'm hoping to get to it by 10am or so (after I go out and get some snacks of course)
Quote from: Doomofman on Aug 04, 2022, 01:56:52 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 01:17:53 PMQuote from: Doomofman on Aug 04, 2022, 12:17:53 PMQuote from: goose_3387 on Aug 04, 2022, 12:15:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PMAs in 5am tonight? I don't think I'm quite dedicated enough to get up that early to watch it :laugh: But that's cool if it'll be available first thing, I've got nothing else going on tomorrow.
I think it will be available from 08:00 tomorrow. Appears to be that way with past content on Disney.
I think the idea is that because it's a Hulu release in the states, where usually the Disney+ stuff here is also Disney+ in the US, that it might work a bit different but literally only time will tell haha
I've booked the afternoon off work so won't be watching it until closer to 14:00 anyway. Should be on by then. 😁
I've done the same, though I'm hoping to get to it by 10am or so (after I go out and get some snacks of course)
Not long now! 😬😬😬
The afternoon is perfect for me. The ideal time for tea and biscuits. 😋
I've already seen the damn movie but I have this excitement like I've not even watched the movie yet. So stoked to see in theaters again tonight, that it almost feels like the build up before SDCC. I am just so freaking excited to watch it again and I think that's telling me how much I enjoyed the film.
Were's the countdown?
Just saw it at the Montreal event, and this movie is solid, it left me in awe. Im convinced by the fans saying its a solid second fav.
It's the quiet moments with Naru and her beloved doggo, the panoramic scenery, juxtaposed with the brutal chaos, it's just really well executed. Dan nailed this.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Aug 05, 2022, 02:12:09 AMIt's the quiet moments with Naru and her beloved doggo, the panoramic scenery, juxtaposed with the brutal chaos, it's just really well executed. Dan nailed this.
It was such a beautiful film. Excited to watch again.
Really enjoyed this. I'm giving it a four on the poll because I think it started good, but not great, but once the Feral really started to kick ass the movie picked up like crazy and didn't stop until the end. Naru and her brother were pretty great, and the dog was cool. Feral is a total badass, too.
I rank it third in the series after 1 and 2, a bit above Predators, and way above The Predator.
Edit: I watched it in English because I didn't know Hulu was giving the Comanche version its own separate listing. I thought I would just change the languages like on a home release.
Its here!
Just finished Prey! Wow. That was awesome. First off the cinematography was beautiful. The multiple wide angle shots were breathtaking. The musical score was awesome. Actually very reminiscent of bioshock three and I can't wait to listen to it over and over. The predator was great and his weaponry was impressive. Prey f**king delivered. It's definitely up there with the first one for me. Today I watched p1,p2 and Predators and for me the pacing is more akin to Predator than anything. It was a slow burn with a series of subtle reveals that feel very much in line with predator.Hell take the Predator out of the film and it's still an engaging and interesting film. Dan Trachtenberg absolutely nailed the overall atmosphere and feel of a predator film.It was scaled back, raw and emotional. Every bit of Naru's journey is earned. She REALLY goes through It to get to the end. My only gripe was the predator face reveal. It was very mehhh for me. Not flashy like City or Hunter. Very middle of the road in my opinion. Overall very impressed. This ranks as top 3 for me:
Predator
Predator 2
Prey(honestly tied with P2)
Predators
The predator
Wow I liked it a lot! The predator design is different which not against it but wish it where more like pred 1 and 2. I feel this movie is a great step in the right direction and hope it's successful to spawn more movies like it. I give it a 8/10.
Did everyone stay till the end portion of the credit sequence
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Chief and wife point to the sky, Naru turns and looks - 3 Predator ships appear in the sky
Downloaded this the minute it hit online. Just skimming through it on my phone and it looks amazing. But won't spoil it and save it for tonight with the kids, can't wait! 😄
This movie was outstanding! The action and brutality alone were the best in the series in my opinion, the cinematography was excellent, the musical score was perfect and the design of the predator was imposing and impressive to see on screen. I place this as good as the original and my second favorite film tied with Predator 2. Really was impressed with this one.
Really good but so different then the first movie or any. It is a movie with a predator in it.
PREY was absolutely EPIC!!! Best film in the franchise since PREDATOR 2!!!
Also I loved the design of the Feral Predator!
Solid 8/10
I just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
It was never canon so it's not a problem.
It left me asking questions and wanting more new original stories. Also the flintlock.
Quote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 06:39:45 AMI just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
The films are never beholden to the comics, I'm afraid.
The mask and fight scenes made up for a lack of stan winston
Man, so sad can't watch it on Hulu (...having troubes finding other sources ;D
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I am guessing the flintlock ends up being given in a trade out of respect from one to another rather then being violantly taken as a trophy.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 06:50:00 AMQuote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 06:39:45 AMI just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
The films are never beholden to the comics, I'm afraid.
IDK sometimes that's a good thing.
I am emotional about this movie. It was good and had heart. :'( shocked it worked and still feels like the predator has so much left as a character and the world building and hunts left to unfold.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 06:50:00 AMQuote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 06:39:45 AMI just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
The films are never beholden to the comics, I'm afraid.
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I get that, but it kinda undoes the predator 2 lore in a way. The comic story makes sense since it was the actual elder that received it in the comic which makes more sense.
I fully understand that they don't always go hand in hand, but to me it just feels like they strayed way into far fetched territory when they actually had a perfectly good story for it in the comic.
Jus my two cents
We don't know how the Elder gets it.
Also, I'm kinda tired of the whole "let's totally change the way the predator looks" angle. They tried it in predators and not that many people like it. This time, they went way off the rails with the look. I still kinda like it, but it jus was pushing it a little too far.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 07:22:29 AMWe don't know how the Elder gets it.
I get that. Hence, why I think the comic did pretty good justice to a theory. Plus the comic just held pretty good weight to it considering the "take it" line and just the overall reason.
I fully acknowledge the newer "botch about everything" generation these days. But I assure you, I am not part of that. I'm just stating a few opinions is all.
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In the credits they show ships returning. Perhaps they interact and simply trade the flintlock to p2 elder. I could see the flintlock being a recurring theme in future stories.
Disney is now streaming R rated stuff in the future.
Pirates if the Caribbean crossover revives johnny depps acting. Jack sparrow wih predator.!
Can we keep using spoiler tags when talking about specifics?
I am enjoying this thread to see people's opinions on first viewing but wont get to watch it myself until tonight.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Aug 05, 2022, 07:08:00 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 06:50:00 AMQuote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 06:39:45 AMI just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
The films are never beholden to the comics, I'm afraid.
IDK sometimes that's a good thing.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I have no issue with them retconning that particular comic. I expected it ever since we saw the timeframe.
Quote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 07:20:13 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 06:50:00 AMQuote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 06:39:45 AMI just didn't like the undoing of canon with the 1718 story line
The films are never beholden to the comics, I'm afraid.
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I get that, but it kinda undoes the predator 2 lore in a way. The comic story makes sense since it was the actual elder that received it in the comic which makes more sense.
I fully understand that they don't always go hand in hand, but to me it just feels like they strayed way into far fetched territory when they actually had a perfectly good story for it in the comic.
It doesn't contradict Predator 2. There's no specifics in P2 to contradict.
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We don't know how Greyback got that pistol, and it's implied more Predators are coming, so there's additional conflict implied there.
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In the credits they show ships returning. Perhaps they interact and simply trade the flintlock to p2 elder. I could see the flintlock being a recurring theme in future stories.
Pirates if the Caribbean crossover revives johnny depps acting. Jack sparrow wih predator.!
There's no way
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it'll be trading. It's going to be in conflict.
Quote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 07:22:50 AMAlso, I'm kinda tired of the whole "let's totally change the way the predator looks" angle. They tried it in predators and not that many people like it. This time, they went way off the rails with the look. I still kinda like it, but it jus was pushing it a little too far.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 07:22:29 AMWe don't know how the Elder gets it.
I get that. Hence, why I think the comic did pretty good justice to a theory. Plus the comic just held pretty good weight to it considering the "take it" line and just the overall reason.
I fully acknowledge the newer "botch about everything" generation these days. But I assure you, I am not part of that. I'm just stating a few opinions is all.
I'm not keen on the unmasked look of Feral. But I f**king love that mask. Easily one of my top 3.
When is neca gonna jump on board? I keep checking the toy web sites haha
Man, Prey was awesome. Glad it came out like hours before midnight! I guess not many are much of a fan of the unmasked feral, and to that, as I've stated on Facebook, I agree. To me, it looks kind of goofy but the overall masked look was so badass! What was weird to me, specifically, was that it did not feel 90 minutes long. It felt longer to me, probably me and the wife were so enthralled by the film and Naru.
Speaking of Naru, oh man, she was so good! It's interesting that a lot of earlier plot summaries put a defying gender norms spin on it but I did not see that at all. Naru was obviously intelligent and adaptive.
You know, I probably would've paid to see this movie and I still would if they're thinking about a physical release.
Quote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 08:13:57 AMWhen is neca gonna jump on board? I keep checking the toy web sites haha
If I remember rightly they've said they'll be doing some Prey figures. I'm looking forward to getting Feral.
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Aug 05, 2022, 08:17:25 AMSpeaking of Naru, oh man, she was so good! It's interesting that a lot of earlier plot summaries put a defying gender norms spin on it but I did not see that at all. Naru was obviously intelligent and adaptive.
I've not watched it at home again yet, but yeah, I keep saying I didn't notice that at all when I did see it.
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It was "we want your medical skills."
No-one told her no because she was a woman.
I think it mostly comes from the trailer, which provides no context for why they say she can't be a warrior and it's edited in a way that kind of implies the obvious.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 08:35:01 AMI think it mostly comes from the trailer, which provides no context for why they say she can't be a warrior and it's edited in a way that kind of implies the obvious.
I remember it being said way before those trailers were released. But I also believe that was like more on the line of 'panic' news and even then, it was kind of a weird thing to say, at least for me.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 08:35:01 AMI think it mostly comes from the trailer, which provides no context for why they say she can't be a warrior and it's edited in a way that kind of implies the obvious.
True, true. And the early plot/character info.
This was... very good. I saw The Predator once, and figured it was pretty much RIP at that point.
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
Prey
That's solid a lineup for this franchise. Be smarter than a beaver, y'all.
Quote from: Seedkiller on Aug 05, 2022, 08:13:57 AMWhen is neca gonna jump on board? I keep checking the toy web sites haha
They're at a convention this weekend. Won't be surprised if they do a reveal there.
All I can say to anyone that has seen it already..THAT BEAR SCENE! The single most badass scene in a predator movie hands down!
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Aug 05, 2022, 09:07:59 AMAll I can say to anyone that has seen it already..oh that bear scene! The single most badass scene in a predator movie hands down!
All the blood! That shot was soooooo good.
My girlfriend and I just got home from the Comanche screening in Santa Monica. I looked at her after the film and asked "well?" She looked at me, smiled big and said "It was really, really f**king good. I loved it." And she enjoyed the first movie in the franchise, and that's it, but doesn't love it. General audiences are going to eat this one up.
The dub was interesting. You could tell it was recorded in a studio, rather than on set in the wild. It took me a few minutes to adapt to it, but once there I'd say it was really good, but I'll never watch it that way again.
I prefer the delivery in English. Some of the emotion didn't hit as hard for me and I'm not sure if it was the performances in the dub that didn't do that. Still was good though, and an interesting way to watch the film. I'd say if it were filmed in Comanche, and not dubbed, it mighta worked better for me.
There was also complete audio descriptor text for every sound, and not just dialogue. I read "wind blowing" or "leaves crunching" and "Predator clicking sounds" quite a lot. Would have preferred it just had been dialogue.
Was still a very fun night! Got a poster!
https://twitter.com/mikes_monsters/status/1555475793030963203
Haven't seen the movie yet, but is it safe to say that the Predator franchise has a better line up than the Alien's ?
No.
I really enjoyed it and I'd certainly pay to see more films like this one. It worked so well I hope it's very popular and it starts more Predator films set in the past or in smaller more intimate settings.
Very well done to all involved.
Now have to wait until tonight to finally see it.
Im not satisfied with this movie. So many dumb decisions just for Naru to win in this film. Too much of poor CGI here also. Predator is so stupid and weak.
Just finished it. Loved it.
I'll be more verbose once I've had a think on it :laugh:
Awesome movie, but predator didn't belong to same caste which we saw in other movies ;)
Just done watching it. Really enjoyed it, lots to like but at the same time a few things that I didn't quite vibe with. I'd place it about the same level as Predator 2 for me (I quite enjoy P2 for what it's worth)
I like:
- It's shot beautifully
- Great score
- Amber is amazing
- Doggo is amazing
- The action is very well done, never really lose track of what's happening
- Predator movements are nice, I understand why he's called Feral
- Naru's arc feels earned as others have said
I didn't like:
- The CG animals are kinda jank and a bit too overused which makes their quality stand out a bit more
- There's a couple of dialogue callbacks that feel a little forced
- The unmasked predator face, I just don't know if I'll ever get to a point where I'm OK with it which is a shame as aside from that, the predator looks great
Predator's face is like an elephant-manpredator :)
It's pretty good.
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But the faaaaaaace
alien phalanx vibes anyone?
My review
Have to say I was pleasantly surprised by Prey. What struck me the most was the beautiful cinematography.
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There was some impressive camerawork here and some gorgeous Canada locations shown . Midhunter was fine for me, nothing overly special but she had some charisma and a solid character arc. Her brother Taabe was also a well developed character with some serious skills. The action was pretty good for the most part and also the violence which did have CGI blood but it was done right. The dog was pretty good too. As for Feral he was a solid predator who showed some impressive feats of strength. Unmasked he looked a lot more like Mr Black from Predators than Jungle hunter (maybe part of the same subspecies?). Didn't love the face design, didn't hate it. It was just fine.
What I didn't like:
- Some dodgy CGI animals, especially that mountain lion which looked just awful. Parts of the bear scenes were also quite fake but others were ok, the CGI wolf was much better.
- Some implausible moments like the end fight where Naru just freely slashes at the Feral without taking any serious damage, climbing on his back like a pro and looked a bit too agile and fast for my tastes. And why did he spare her every chance he got? It was said that he did not look at her as a threat but still she wounded him/ posed a threat on more than one occasion and he just let her go like that?
- They movie tends to cut off from the violence at several scenes and not showing the whole bloody goods like it was supposed to, don't know why, like the camera pulled away from the more gruesome shots.
Still it was a pretty solid flick, third best after Predator and P2, a 7/10 for now. Will have to watch it again.
After being disappointed by cheap predator cash grab sequels constantly, I was pleasantly surprised to find this equally as enjoyable (although very different) to predator 2, but not as good and rewatchable as the original.
Who else caught
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the credits artwork showing the returning predator ship?!
Quote from: 343 on Jul 31, 2022, 02:33:53 PMIt's raining 1's on IMDB/ Are those trolls and/or bots?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11866324/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt
This morning it was 6.4...now it's 7.0 and rising!
Finally seen it for myself. It's a Predator sequel done right. Easily the most visually impressive Predator film in the series with the stunning views of the landscapes. Sarah Schachner's score was just fantastic, completely fitting for the type of film. Feral Predator has some cool new weapons and he sure takes a beating throughout the film. I know some reviews complained about the abundance of CGI but I didn't find anything wrong with it or the CGI animals. Amber Midthunder is brilliant as Naru and the film is definitely all about her. The dog's great too. There's long scenes where's there's just no dialogue and it's her just wondering in the forest. It just works.
I'm struggling to find anything wrong with the film. I suppose nitpicks is somebody said the line "If it bleeds, we can kill it". The Flintlock pistol is a nice callback to Predator 2. I would have liked the film to be a little longer, perhaps although there was plenty of action and kills. I guess if they ever did a direct sequel to this, how do they do one with Naru without repeating what's just happened? The sad thing about Prey is that it went to streaming despite having all the qualities of a big theatrical film.
I'd give it 9/10, the general audience will like it more than Predator 2 but I've always had a soft spot for P2.
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CGI cloaked fights looks bad cuz of pred animation. When he is out of cloak it moves different and it feels like an actor is very uncomfortable in this suit. Suit looks worse then original or second film suites. The face i believe is fully CGI when showing in front of camera. Animals all looks bad except wolf and lovely rabbit. CGI bear fight with CGI cloaked pred is a disaster)) It could be so cool, but not enough of CGI quality and animations in this =(
I found that everyone is not feeling pain. Man with pistol and without leg is just like - Ok, im alright, let me show how it works, forget about leg, its ok)) Or pred itself without arm, not a single scream from him. They all just not feeling pain.
But the main problem is what the hell is this flower that makes u invis right away in front of pred. When Naru keeps french hostage, pred even can't hear what she said to the french man. Like what the hell. This is so dumb. It just imba sh!t to kill this poor predator =(( Why cant they think something more believable, even the mud move could work again, but not this invis flower, stupid af. And man, in 2018 movie mask was OP and works without any power supply and sh!t, and kills everyone. Man, they do same crap here. Like WTF, so many questions to the writers, its script is dumb just like Prometheus.
lol, i just figured the magic flower was a fictional plot element just like the predator itself.
The predator staring at its own
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mask targeting itself perfectly at the end and making an "oh snap!" expression was the biggest LOL of the whole movie.
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:14:25 PMSpoiler
what the hell is this flower that makes u invis right away in front of pred.
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It lowers the body temperature, dude. The movie is very clear on this.
Imagine a man inside a suit fighting hand to hand with a real bear. Could totally see that working out.
In all honesty, I thought that fight was pretty cool, and yeah the CGI could be better, but that fight was not the focus of the film. I thought Naru's journey throughout the film was pretty believable in terms of growth and development.
Quote from: Kudzu on Aug 05, 2022, 12:35:10 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:14:25 PMSpoiler
what the hell is this flower that makes u invis right away in front of pred.
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It lowers the body temperature, dude. The movie is very clear on this.
How is it possible? It lowers it to zero that pred cant see it?)) Its just a stupid move of how to weak pred, cuz it was no chance for Naru and others peaple to hunt him down. Its just dumb.
You also know the mud trick in Predator is also exaggerated and not entirely realistic?
finished it.
f**king incredible movie.
I'm gonna listen to this score for a long time.
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Aug 05, 2022, 12:35:41 PMImagine a man inside a suit fighting hand to hand with a real bear. Could totally see that working out.
In all honesty, I thought that fight was pretty cool, and yeah the CGI could be better, but that fight was not the focus of the film. I thought Naru's journey throughout the film was pretty believable in terms of growth and development.
Some costumed bear plus some camera angles plus some real bear montage it could works better then two CGI persons like fighting)) Look Slaughter to prevail - Baba yaga clip, where vocalist wrestles a real bear.
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Finally saw it as well. Overall probably my third favourite Predator movie. Definitely doesnt match the original (and for me personally also not P2) but its preeetty good.
Visually its absolutely beautiful. The scenery shots, the natural lighting, it just looks gorgeous. The acting is also nice overall. Naru and Tabe are both well rounded characters, with each having their own charm. What i absolutely adore is the fact that it definitely brings back the horror elements big time. You definitely get the feeling that they tried to make the Predator scary again.
There were some things i absolutely disliked as well tho:
- the CGI of the animals was sometimes ok-ish, and sometimes straight up abysmal
- Feral, while definitely enjoyable, was very inconsistent in terms of skill and strength, and he
behaved like an absolute idiot. Definitely the dumbest Pred weve had so far lol. The dude forgot
how his own gear works twice, and literally killed himself because of it.
- Ferals unmasked face. Sorry, but its so damn ugly. Probably the worst face weve ever had (aside from
Scar)
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:37:27 PMQuote from: Kudzu on Aug 05, 2022, 12:35:10 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:14:25 PMSpoiler
what the hell is this flower that makes u invis right away in front of pred.
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It lowers the body temperature, dude. The movie is very clear on this.
How is it possible? It lowers it to zero that pred cant see it?)) Its just a stupid move of how to weak pred, cuz it was no chance for Naru and others peaple to hunt him down. Its just dumb.
I can't say that mud is that much better. After all, those effects are short lived, and it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility because there are herbs that do reduce the body's core temperature.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:40:05 PMYou also know the mud trick in Predator is also exaggerated and not entirely realistic?
But its much believable then magic flower, rewatch the captured french scene, Pred even cant hear Naru speaking second away he is behind her. Plus Arnold was a long time in cold water and he was totaly in cold mud, so yeah its so much more believable then flower.
Woke up at 4am so I could watch before work and I absolutely LOVED it! So f**king good!!! Absolute return to form for Predator! I don't have a single complaint! Beautifully shot, solid acting, savage action, brutal deaths I could go on and on lol! Big thanks to the cast and crew for all the work they put in to make this film amazing! Just wish I could see this on the big screen!
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:44:58 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:40:05 PMYou also know the mud trick in Predator is also exaggerated and not entirely realistic?
But its much believable then magic flower, rewatch the captured french scene, Pred even cant hear Naru speaking second away he is behind her. Plus Arnold was a long time in cold water and he was totaly in cold mud, so yeah its so much more believable then flower.
It's a thing.
QuoteFor thousands of years, plants have been used to reduce body temperature. Sometimes the purpose is to stop or reduce a fever. At other times, the reason is to make a person feel cooler, such as when the air temperature is high.
The Top 6 Plants For Lowering Body Temperature (https://virily.com/beauty-health/the-top-6-plants-for-lowering-body-temperature/)
It may be exaggerated - again, like the mud camouflage - but it's got basis in reality.
the flower is... fine. Predator stories are PULP at heart. It's a fun creative thing in the movie and it works really well in its context.
Yeah, I was actually really surprised by it. I was expecting the swamp to factor into her camouflage, but when I realised how it was going to go down I thought it was a great way to make sure of her skills.
This flower must lower your temp nearly to zero) Cuz pred can sees even dead bodies, that died not so long.
Remember those shots of Naru hiding behind the tree, man he even can't see that =) There is absolutly no chance for pred to win in this movie, script is just bad in my opinion.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:52:20 PMYeah, I was actually really surprised by it. I was expecting the swamp to factor into her camouflage, but when I realised how it was going to go down I thought it was a great way to make sure of her skills.
Also surprised, alluding to when you and Ridgetop made a motion tracker video breaking down the trailer and the mud scene came up. I was so sure mud was going to be utilized like in Previous films.. wasn't I surprised.
Blacklabel is right.
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:54:38 PMThis flower must lower your temp nearly to zero)
lol. Just has to drop the temperature to match the rest of the foliage and ground.
guys.. it's fine. lol
Yes! FINALLY a decent Predator sequel! Here are my (non-spoiler) thoughts.
1. Main human character is good in Prey. Some Predator sequels had pretty forgettable human protagonists, I felt like rooting for the Predator to all kill those morons, especially in those AVP movies. But here you really do care about Naru. You see how she grows and develop throughout the movie. And you grow to appreciate her and her brother.
2. Cinematography. Yes, its good. It captures the natural scenery and landscape really well. In a way, nature itself is another character in the movie. It sets the mood and tone successfully and give the humans an advantage or disadvantage, depending on what sort of natural geography they are in.
3. The action scenes. There are plenty of blood and gore to satisfy the Predator fans. But what I liked the most is the flow and speed of the action. The Predator isn't just some big hulk. You see how agile and swift he can be. Some previous Predator movies made those creatures to be huge football players, strong and powerful but lacking the agility you expect of them. But in Prey, the feral Predator is almost a martial artist in the way in moves and slice through the humans.
4. The movie felt kinda slow in the first third of its run time but reflecting on it, I understand why they take the time. The film has to provide background context to Naru. And I like how it portrays the culture and society of the Comanche. Then from then on the movie transitions to Naru's hunt of the Predator. The movie starts out like "Dances with Wolves/Last of the Mohicans" meet "The Revenant" and then finally becoming the "Predator" we all know and love.
5. Overall I enjoyed the movie. The different historical setting gives the "Prey" a freshness the other Predator sequels were lacking. Its not perfect, like I said, the first part of the film is kinda slow. I heard Dan Trachtenberg, if he gets the chance to do another Predator sequel, he wants to set it in Japan of the samurai era. That would be awesome and I hope he gets the opportunity to make that film.
Yeeeeah if it was zero, wouldn't it be, like... frozen?
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 05, 2022, 01:00:52 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:54:38 PMThis flower must lower your temp nearly to zero)
lol. Just has to drop the temperature to match the rest of the foliage and ground.
guys.. it's fine. lol
Anyway i think she should be sick or even lost consciousness with this magic flowers. But nah... runs, jumps, stole alien helmets etc))) They said this movie is like The Revenant with Leo, but its not even near with that in terms of survival in this movie.
I hate that my life is so busy right now I won't have time to watch this until tonight.......
Also I had heard about the the flower bit a little while back and knew that it would ruffle some feathers because apparently slathering yourself in mud to escape thermal detection is realistic (it's not AT ALL) but a cooling plant is where we draw the line?
I'll give my thoughts on the flick after I view it tonight.
i demand a sequel
Yea, mud won't last. It's a cool gimmick for the first film but realistically, the body's temp heats that mud up and mud dries out pretty quickly. It's totally fine, though, because fiction.
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Putting this in spoilers to just be ultra safe, but I wonder if.. IF we ever get a Prey sequel will the pistol have a similar role/appearance. Would be a fun way to tie together a kinda anthology if it ended up happening
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Putting this in spoilers to just be ultra safe, but I wonder if.. IF we ever get a Prey sequel will the pistol have a similar role/appearance. Would be a fun way to tie together a kinda anthology if it ended up happening
Like a sort of passing of the torch?
Man that was a beautiful movie!
The cinematography was excellent. I loved how they showcased so much of Canada's amazing scenery.
The score was excellent! Sarah Schachner really created an original and fresh score without relying on Silvestri's themes. I feel like I could listen to it all day.
Amber Midthunder as Naru knocked it out of the park. Her character's struggles felt so relatable and her evolution into a true warrior was believable to me.
Feral was a beast. He was both brutal and menacing. I'd rank Dane DiLiegro as one of the best Predator performer after Kevin Peter Hall. I'm still on the fence about Feral's face but I'm sure it could eventually grow on me after a couple rewatchs. I initialy had the same feeling with Mr. Black in Predators.
While I loved Naru as a protagonist, I don't necessarily need a direct sequel (even with that end credit tease). I think Predator works better as an anthology.
Thank you Dan Trachtenberg for delivering a solid Predator film.
8.5/10
My ranking:
Predator
Predator 2
Prey/Predators (it's a tie for now)
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The Predator
Movie deserves a round of applause! Dan did a great job!
Bravo!
Gave this 4/5. Really good, more enjoyable than I expected. I definitely will be watching again soon. I had mild concerns the gender norms thing would be over-done but I think it was mostly fairly presented. Great visuals, some fun fight scenes. I think the acting was decent enough, some of the secondary Commanche characters were acted a bit poorly, but the main characters were well portrayed. Wasn't as keen on the Predators' face, and was it CGI at times? Thought the helmet was awesome though. I thought the settlers' characters were simplistic at times, which annoyed me, but like with the acting, the main characters were well developed. Its bloody good to see the franchise return to form after the abomination of The Predator.
My one real frustration with the film is exactly the same as Corporal Hicks, definitely could have been better written;
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So the speargun's projectiles are "smart" in the sense that they go where the targetting lasers go. I don't like the way that Feral seems to not realize this when trying to use the speargun when he doesn't have his mask on because it does contribute towards his death.
It's fully established how it works, we see how it's to the detriment prior to the end of the film, but it just feels like it dumbs Feral down too much by him not remembering. Granted, there's other circumstances going off and etc, but I feel it could have been a bit better handled.
I've just finished my first viewing of Prey. Overall I enjoyed it. Can't rate it just yet though – still need to process it and watch it again. Lots of positives and lots of the usual niggles I have with every Predator film after the original.
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Aug 05, 2022, 01:44:14 PMGave this 4/5. Really good, more enjoyable than I expected. I definitely will be watching again soon. I had mild concerns the gender norms thing would be over-done but I think it was mostly fairly presented. Great visuals, some fun fight scenes. I think the acting was decent enough, some of the secondary Commanche characters were acted a bit poorly, but the main characters were well portrayed. Wasn't as keen on the Predators' face, and was it CGI at times? Thought the helmet was awesome though. I thought the settlers' characters were simplistic at times, which annoyed me, but like with the acting, the main characters were well developed. Its bloody good to see the franchise return to form after the abomination of The Predator.
My one real frustration with the film is exactly the same as Corporal Hicks, definitely could have been better written;
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So the speargun's projectiles are "smart" in the sense that they go where the targetting lasers go. I don't like the way that Feral seems to not realize this when trying to use the speargun when he doesn't have his mask on because it does contribute towards his death.
It's fully established how it works, we see how it's to the detriment prior to the end of the film, but it just feels like it dumbs Feral down too much by him not remembering. Granted, there's other circumstances going off and etc, but I feel it could have been a bit better handled.
Funny, having read what Hicks said before watching, I didn't mind it at all
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What I took to be happening, even though we never really see it for definite, is that if the speargun itself isn't near the mask that it just fires straight forward and doesn't track and Feral just didn't think/realize the mask would be close enough for the tracking to trigger when he takes that last shot
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Yeah, I don't think the Predator just forgot about how the spears work. I think they can be manually fired without the targeting laser. He just didn't realise that she'd set his mask up to direct them at him.
Just watched it second time, and now i get it) His face reminds me of pred dogs from 2018 movie ;D
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Just watched prey, from the opening scene knew its gonna be a decent movie at the minimun.
The only thing that bothers me so far: the prerdator butchers everything that is breathing and seems he is not a rookie, how does he make the mistake with the helmet when aiming and firing arrows 3 times , did he forgot it was on outo tracking?
I guess it can be explained with the adrenaline and stress of the hunt he couldnt switch it off.(and of course the final scene)
any athoughts?
Overall, I went in expecting the Ghostbusters 2016 of Predator movies but instead got The Force Awakens, which is probably not the compliment this crowd thinks it is but it was better than expected. Still not a great movie, but better than Shane Black or Robert Rodriguez's abortions. The main chick made the most out of a real nothing character, it's amazing how well she outshines Daisy Ridley who got cast in a similar "grrrl powa" role. I guess white women just aren't sending their best.
The Predator was lame compared to the first two, he looked good with the mask on. I know everyone is orgasaming over him throwing people around and cutting off Limbs and shit but he just kind of lumbered around like a big dumb Godzilla monster. None of the grace or menace of previous Predators. The ending was dumb, requiring Naru to have an understanding of the technology she couldn't possibly have acquired over the course of the movie. You could tell the writers just gave up and wanted this assignment over with.
Overall, better than the last two movies not as good as the first two. And AVP films don't even register to me as movies.
Right, some more expansive thoughts.
I'll get the few minor quibbles I had out of the way first:
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- Some of the CGI was less than stellar.
- The Predator looked amazing... until he took his mask off. I didn't hate it, but the face design was a long way removed from what we've seen before.
- (Admittedly this one might be on me because I was watching it on a sunny summer's morning with the curtains open, but -) the final fight seemed a little too dark and I struggled to see what was going on at times.
- I could've done without the Predator's "d'oh" moment of realisation before it dies. It felt corny, and would've worked better for me if it simply bought the farm without ever seeing it coming.
But altogether those things were pretty inconsequential in light of what is an awesome Predator movie and comfortably the best film in this franchise since the first (even if I personally still like
Predator 2 a bit more). Above all, it seems to understand that one of the things that made the first two films work is they essentially took a genre movie and then dropped the Predator into it; this starts out as a Native American drama - and quite a slow-burner at that - before the Predator steps in partway through and things escalate rapidly. And the film's all the better for this approach.
As plenty of other people have mentioned, the cinematography is superb; the plentiful panoramas of the American wilderness are particularly stunning. (This really needs a cinema release!) Amber Midthunder was excellent, especially considering she doesn't get a whole lot of backup from a supporting cast and has to carry the bulk of the movie on her own. (Although even she struggled to compete with her adorable canine co-star ;D) Schachner's score was great; while it would've been nice to hear Silvestri's motifs make a comeback, I don't honestly think they would've fit with the tone of this movie and it'd be a disservice to criticise Schachner's work because of it.
The Predator itself is a boss with tons of cool new weapons. In particular, the sequence where it takes on the European trappers - glimpsed in the trailers - is an amazingly violent brawl. Suffice to say, all talk of this perhaps being toned-down violence-wise are completely misguided - there's some proper brutal slayings in this. There was talk in the marketing of this being the species' first visit to Earth and I can't say I was keen on that angle - so I'm happy to report it's literally never mentioned or inferred in the film itself.
A couple of final spoilery points:
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- I appreciated the misdirection in setting up the bog mud as the way Naru would conceal herself from the Predator, only for her to use a totally different means before the bog made a return as the means to the Predator's downfall.
- Also as soon as I saw that flintlock I wondered if it would serve as a tie-in to Predator 2, so I was happy when that proved to be the case :) RIP Raphael Andolini.
Quote from: DotheKaliYuga on Aug 05, 2022, 02:26:11 PMThe ending was dumb, requiring Naru to have an understanding of the technology she couldn't possibly have acquired over the course of the movie.
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We obviously watched different movies because I distinctly remember a scene showing us exactly how she learns about the mask and guided spears. As for the hand-held spear she uses, she doesn't know how it works - hence why she's shocked when it collapses in her hand instead of striking the Predator. It doesn't mean she can't still bludgeon him with it.
Movie was really good
The ending is deserved
Some of the best kills in the franchise
Yeah this is tied with the original for me, it has some weak moments, but so does the first due to age.
Seeing how this is a direct to streaming movie, I will rate it as a 5/5
He saw the arrow is coming, so he could: 1) block it with his bare hand 2) catch it 3) use shield, which is still works i believe 4) flee the arrow. But he chooses to make a dumb face and catch it with his head)))
Also, when she is pulling him by the rope, he fell like a doll, man his weight is about 150kg, how the... ok, im done with this movie)))
Just saw a screen of the Predators face. Looks a LOT like the old Stan Winston concept art for the original movie. The eyes especially are taken straight from that old concept. Very cool.
I wanna see this film again but this time on the big screen.
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 02:45:46 PMAlso, when she is pulling him by the rope, he fell like a doll, man his weight is about 150kg, how the... ok, im done with this movie)))
Well, he had just been shot in the head, lost an arm and been axed a few times. He was probably happy to check out at that point. ;D
First brief thoughts are that this movie is indeed great!
I'm not sure I can say it's better than Predator 2 purely because 1 and 2 are just "the classics" to me (even though one is obviously the best), but it might technically be the better movie.
Some really badass scenes that made me smile, lots of cool moments and overall just a really good film.
Man, it feels good to have Predator back at last! ;D
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 02:45:46 PMHe saw the arrow is coming, so he could: 1) block it with his bare hand 2) catch it 3) use shield, which is still works i believe 4) flee the arrow. But he chooses to make a dumb face and catch it with his head)))
Also, when she is pulling him by the rope, he fell like a doll, man his weight is about 150kg, how the... ok, im done with this movie)))
This feels like nitpicking, he was stuck in mud, there wasn't much he could, and I hardly believe the shield would even be able to block the arrow seeing how it's Predator tech.
I'm 100kg and someone that weights 50kg could easily pull me down with a hope if they did what Naru did, it's how gravity works
P1, P2 , [Predators/Prey]......., The Predator
My current rating of Prey 3.5/5
Things I didn't like from Prey
1. One liners re-used and certain call back scenes from Predator
2. Unmasked Predator
3. Cloaking effect/design/CGI (+ felt more advanced than cloaking in P1/P2)
4. Predator vision (felt more advanced than P1/P2)
5. The tension/suspense wasn't there for me.
6. French trappers
**subject to change
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:37:27 PMQuote from: Kudzu on Aug 05, 2022, 12:35:10 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 12:14:25 PMSpoiler
what the hell is this flower that makes u invis right away in front of pred.
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It lowers the body temperature, dude. The movie is very clear on this.
How is it possible? It lowers it to zero that pred cant see it?)) Its just a stupid move of how to weak pred, cuz it was no chance for Naru and others peaple to hunt him down. Its just dumb.
I thought it was because she was standing in the line of sight with the flames of the fire.
I loved it - the cinematography, score, and pace were top notch, imo. I really appreciated the brutality of Feral and his scenes/movement far outweighed my somewhat disappointment in the face (not a big fan of it - eye placement probably my biggest gripe).
The tension that builds throughout the story was great, as well as Feral figuring out what the most dangerous game is on this hunting ground that is new to him.
Couldn't be more pleased at this point and hope this gets a physical UHD release as well as more greenlit storylines.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 05, 2022, 03:11:35 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 02:45:46 PMHe saw the arrow is coming, so he could: 1) block it with his bare hand 2) catch it 3) use shield, which is still works i believe 4) flee the arrow. But he chooses to make a dumb face and catch it with his head)))
Also, when she is pulling him by the rope, he fell like a doll, man his weight is about 150kg, how the... ok, im done with this movie)))
This feels like nitpicking, he was stuck in mud, there wasn't much he could, and I hardly believe the shield would even be able to block the arrow seeing how it's Predator tech.
I'm 100kg and someone that weights 50kg could easily pull me down with a hope if they did what Naru did, it's how gravity works
I agree - and while she wasn't a threat from a physical, 'pound-for-pound' standpoint, her wits and awareness of her surroundings is what helped her prevail.
I think the most telling praise I can give this is that I only watched it this morning and I already want to see it again.
Not sure I've felt that way about any new film in this franchise that's been released in my adult lifetime (AVP onwards).
Absolutely disgusted.
...that this movie was this short.
God damn. That was the most fulfilled I've felt in a long time. I kept thinking this will blow up at some point, the predator will whip out a mini gun and naru will use it.
Nope, just pure basic classic goodness.
The score, the scenery, the pace, the plot.
I think honestly.....and this is massive call.
Ive never been so satisfied with an Alien or Predator movie since I signed up to this site 15 years ago.
9/10.
....and that's only because it's too short.
I'm actually shocked yes SHOCKED that this movie (was this a movie?) got rated as highly as it did.
Man oh man, this was all kinds of terrible.
The acting: I'm OF COURSE all for casting actual natives but a few acting classes couldn't have hurt the quality. Makes the original Predator look like the actors were trained at the royal theatre. Horrific.
The characters: WHAT CHARACTERS?!!! Who were they? Was there a script?!!! And the French fur trappers... Utter CRINGE!!! WHAT WAS THAT?! The bearded guy acted like he was in a Smurfs movie.
The scrript: WAS THERE ONE?
The action scenes: The only one i really liked was Naru's brother fighting the beast. That guy clearly should have been the protagonist.
The protagonist: Naru was a deeply annoying shell of a character. I don't want to use the word 'woke' because i don't belong to the idiotic only-men-can-be-tough-circle at all, but here it would be utterly appropriate since this movie is all about injecting the current ideological atmosphere into the hive mind of current pop-culture. It is not because she is a woman (AT ALL) but because she jumps around like Spider-man and fights the predator like it is a ragdoll. She dominates it hand(weapon) to hand(weapon) without any real effort. Twiggy pulls the beasts down like she is working with an action figure and rips his mandible off like he is made of clay. I actually was slightly repulsed by this character. And it doesn't help that Midthunder has no charisma at all. A final note and not that this is a huge deal mind you, but visually she doesn't look all that native. Apparently her mother is Thai en she (physically) clearly leans to that side of the family.
The score: Very generic and unmemorable.
The CGI: Subpar, kinda cheap looking.
The whole thing felt like a void. Pointless and tensionless. This was not a movie; an episode of a rather underwhelming tv show perhaps.
Just no, no, no.
In a few months people will be embarassed for liking this. Mark my words. SHOCKED!
Lol
Character checks out
The predator has taken a hell of a beating by the time Naru faces off. Someone can correct me but it's been bitten by a wolf, a bear, been stabbed clean through the shoulder by a spear, shot by french hunters , shot in the back of the head by naru , stabbed through the leg, sliced by a tomahawk, then had it's arm cut off.....
Like it ain't The Wolverine :laugh:
Thoroughly enjoyed Prey.
Overall the positives outweighed the negatives.
Definitely the best Predator movie of the 21st century 👍
Quote from: Highland on Aug 05, 2022, 05:12:42 PMThe predator has taken a hell of a beating by the time Naru faces off. Someone can correct me but it's been bitten by a wolf, a bear, been stabbed clean through the shoulder by a spear, shot by french hunters , shot in the back of the head by naru , stabbed through the leg, sliced by a tomahawk, then had it's arm cut off.....
Like it ain't The Wolverine :laugh:
He should retreat, but he is too dumb by the script))
Please God let that be the end of the Predator franchise.
A script that was laugh-out-loud terrible, nothing remotely original or imaginative in the plot, and a lead performance so wooden it's no wonder the Predator couldn't spot her among all the trees.
Not just one of the worst films in the franchise, that has to be one of the worst films I've ever seen.
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 05:14:49 PMHe should retreat, but he is too dumb by the script
Sure, because I can't see the people who are complaining reacting negatively to him running away at all...
I have to admit, overall, I'm happy with what was made.
Although I do think it is getting a TAD but over-hyped, and there's a bit of an Star Wars Episode 1 complex going on.
Is it way better than "THE PREDATOR?" yes. And I'm glad to have this as an entry in the franchise.
There were some serious cool moments, but overall, I found it pretty mediocre.
In my rankings, I would put it 4th. Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Prey. I don't even count The Predator anymore, as I just lump it in with the AVP movies.
I found the CGI distracting, the pace somewhat rushed, and even though I liked a lot of the kills, it still felt off. The CGI blood was silly at times. The score was good, but made me miss the old themes. The Predator design was cool for the most part, but I feel like ADI still doesn't know how to make a predator face.
All complaints aside, overall, I was still happy with it. Definitely a big step in the right direction.
Cut together another video on spoilery talks. Didn't want it to run as long as my previous video, so I don't hit all the details. I show more footage from the Santa Monica screening last night towards the end. The crowd was buzzing at the Comanche dub. Theater cheered a lot, and gave a very long applause at the end.
I really like it. Doesn't quite hold a candle to Predator/Predator 2, but it's good. And most importantly, I can finally sleep peacefully knowing that I washed away that shitty taste after The Predator (2018). I hope future movies keep going in the same direction and never turn into Shane Black shit again.
Quote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 04:53:54 PMI'm actually shocked yes SHOCKED that this movie (was this a movie?) got rated as highly as it did.
Man oh man, this was all kinds of terrible.
The acting: I'm OF COURSE all for casting actual natives but a few acting classes couldn't have hurt the quality. Makes the original Predator look like the actors were trained at the royal theatre. Horrific.
The characters: WHAT CHARACTERS?!!! Who were they? Was there a script?!!! And the French fur trappers... Utter CRINGE!!! WHAT WAS THAT?! The bearded guy acted like he was in a Smurfs movie.
The scrript: WAS THERE ONE?
The action scenes: The only one i really liked was Naru's brother fighting the beast. That guy clearly should have been the protagonist.
The protagonist: Naru was a deeply annoying shell of a character. I don't want to use the word 'woke' because i don't belong to the idiotic only-men-can-be-tough-circle at all, but here it would be utterly appropriate since this movie is all about injecting the current ideological atmosphere into the hive mind of current pop-culture. It is not because she is a woman (AT ALL) but because she jumps around like Spider-man and fights the predator like it is a ragdoll. She dominates it hand(weapon) to hand(weapon) without any real effort. Twiggy pulls the beasts down like she is working with an action figure and rips his mandible off like he is made of clay. I actually was slightly repulsed by this character. And it doesn't help that Midthunder has no charisma at all. A final note and not that this is a huge deal mind you, but visually she doesn't look all that native. Apparently her mother is Thai en she (physically) clearly leans to that side of the family.
The score: Very generic and unmemorable.
The CGI: Subpar, kinda cheap looking.
The whole thing felt like a void. Pointless and tensionless. This was not a movie; an episode of a rather underwhelming tv show perhaps.
Just no, no, no.
In a few months people will be embarassed for liking this. Mark my words. SHOCKED!
This is so nuts. I mean listen, listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. It's really sad, it's pathetic... ;)
So much better than Shane Black's trainwreck. Feral may not have been the smartest Pred we've seen, but he was one brutal MF. Some great kills and without a doubt the most visually impressive film in the series.
Not perfect by any means, but I was extremely satisfied with what I got. Says a lot that my main gripe with the film was the use of the Wilhelm scream, which immediately takes me out of every film/show that uses it... :P
Damn...just finished the movie!
It was good 8/10
Pros : Predator design, Predator itself , kills, acting, characters.
Cons:The editing from scene to scene could have been stitched together a bit better, CGI, Runtime could have been longer for its own good and the premise had more potential.
So it's...
Predator
Predator II
Predators/Prey
And The Predator
Im seeing a lot of 8's in giving this movie a score and I have to agree. This movie is a 8/10, enjoyed it
Cons:
-Some Cringe scenes here and there
-Overall some of the scenes seemed like out of nowhere so the pacing looked like it was being made on the spot.
-The Mary Sue meter came in at about 5/10 mostly near the end. That Scream tho ;D
Pros
-Cinematography was good
-The brutal scenes
-The Dog
-The CGI reminded me of PS3Xbox 360 era video games
Just finished the film.
I f*ckin loved it. I could't have asked for better. Feral was so brutal and just moved so freaking great. All the new toys were also excellent.
The cast were all superb 👌. Amber owned this movie, everyone nailed it.
My only complaints are minor maybe some editing issues and felt pretty short overall.
I thought all the CGI was done fairly well, didn't bother me at all.
Soo bloody and great kills/gore.
That face though... not a fan.
Just finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
The settlers were unnecessary. If you're going to have the settlers there, then maybe keep to the spirit of the Predator literature of enemy human factions coming together to fight the monster killing all of them. Predators and The Predator kept to this spirit. Otherwise, probably should've just kept the white people in Europe, and not touched on the flintlock if you're not going to show the Predators getting it.
Otherwise, the rest of the movie: great scenery, loved the dog; other than being overpowered in the end, I did like Naru as a character- even though it's been done to death, it's still something a lot of young girls sympathize with. I'm happy to see a female protagonist, something that's been overdue. Movie isn't the best, but I have a feeling, there's going to be a division and toxicity coming from both sides, just like the Star Wars and Ghostbuster fandoms.
Quote from: predator88 on Aug 05, 2022, 11:54:08 AM- They movie tends to cut off from the violence at several scenes and not showing the whole bloody goods like it was supposed to, don't know why, like the camera pulled away from the more gruesome shots.
Just back on here after a week away successfully avoiding spoilers!
I really enjoyed it and agree very much with everything you say. Very watchable and I'll be going back to it a few times. A few dodgy moments, but on the whole it's a goodun.
The cut away from violence comment I really get, and I wonder if there's a more gory cut around to be made available in future?
Feral was brutal, some of the kills had me laughing (in a good way) at the brutality of them, but they did lack a kind of - it's hard to describe, but "rawness" - that you maybe got with similar slayings in 80s/90s films
Quote from: Space Eel on Aug 05, 2022, 08:10:28 PMJust finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
You've basically treated Naru like the tribe did, because she's not by definition a warrior or we don't see her get "training" that she's somehow incapable. We get plenty of examples in the first two acts that she's proficient in weapons and a kind of parkour style of movement, the only thing that holds her back is hesitancy on several occasions (The deer, the bear, the lion). Once she stops hesitating and just starts doing she kicks ass and it really shouldn't be a surprise at all
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:52:20 PMYeah, I was actually really surprised by it. I was expecting the swamp to factor into her camouflage, but when I realised how it was going to go down I thought it was a great way to make sure of her skills.
I remember you saying after your first viewing that you enjoyed it but there was one glaring thing you really didn't rate that might be controversial (not exactly that, but along those lines)
What was the thing? Apologies if I've missed it or if it's coming in a podcast review!
The
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probably. Though I had no issue with it.
Quote from: Space Eel on Aug 05, 2022, 08:10:28 PMJust finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
She is afraid of puma/leopard, afraid of a bear, but not afraid of the pred. Jumping on his shoulders twice like a kung-fu master. Its so unbelivable in this movie. Bear would kill her with one touch, this pred did nothing, zero scratches at her, even when he hits her with his shield twice, zero effect on her, but heads off for other characters in movie.
If you have a problem Naru defeating the predator in this then I have nothing for you. She completely earns the kill and had a ton of help getting it. This predator took an insane amount of damage, maybe more than City Hunter.
You just have to have a problem with women if you don't think Naru earned the kill.
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 08:38:03 PMQuote from: Space Eel on Aug 05, 2022, 08:10:28 PMJust finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
She is afraid of puma/leopard, afraid of a bear, but not afraid of the pred. Jumping on his shoulders twice like a kung-fu master. Its so unbelivable in this movie. Bear would kill her with one touch, this pred did nothing, zero scratches at her, even when he hits her with his shield twice, zero effect on her, but heads off for other characters in movie.
What movie did you watch? She is afraid of the bear and the lion, her being afraid of the lion is the whole reason she lost that fight and then, surprise surprise her character develops over the course of the film to the point where she loses her fear and is then able to fight properly
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 08:38:03 PMQuote from: Space Eel on Aug 05, 2022, 08:10:28 PMJust finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
She is afraid of puma/leopard, afraid of a bear, but not afraid of the pred. Jumping on his shoulders twice like a kung-fu master. Its so unbelivable in this movie. Bear would kill her with one touch, this pred did nothing, zero scratches at her, even when he hits her with his shield twice, zero effect on her, but heads off for other characters in movie.
She was doing that after she'd lost her brother. Rage from loss of a loved one can make people do a lot of amazing or terrible things. It really pushes a person to another limit. You seem like you didn't want to like the movie from the beginning, it almost feels like you've seen a different movie than a lot of us.
Didn't love it but liked it a lot. I'd say a solid 7/10, probably leaning towards 7.5-8
I actually thought she would have had the lion if she hadn't been distracted by predator tech going off in the distance.
She was just smart with the bear, she lost her advantage when the bow string snapped. Arnold would have had to run too lol.
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"If it bleeds we can kill it". Why, oh why movie ? I guess, it's better than "Get to the choppa !"
Not sure if I liked flintlock backstory either.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 08:41:54 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 08:38:03 PMQuote from: Space Eel on Aug 05, 2022, 08:10:28 PMJust finished watching the film, and am underwhelmed... This movie did have a lot of potential, and the energy of a good movie. However, what made this movie miss the mark for me was how overpowered Naru was at the end. Considering how she was treated by the men in her tribe, they obviously never trained her to fight or hunt. Her brother maybe taught her some basics, but how he also treated, not much. So, I can't see Naru ever making it past any fight scene to get to the killing shot. So she pretty much got the Rey/Ms. Marvel treatment.
She is afraid of puma/leopard, afraid of a bear, but not afraid of the pred. Jumping on his shoulders twice like a kung-fu master. Its so unbelivable in this movie. Bear would kill her with one touch, this pred did nothing, zero scratches at her, even when he hits her with his shield twice, zero effect on her, but heads off for other characters in movie.
She was doing that after she'd lost her brother. Rage from loss of a loved one can make people do a lot of amazing or terrible things. It really pushes a person to another limit. You seem like you didn't want to like the movie from the beginning, it almost feels like you've seen a different movie than a lot of us.
His death was stupid too tbh. "Oh, pred is retreat in cloacking, lets just stand here, chat and wait for sad and motivating scene to come" =)
When she fights with one of her tribe it was tight for her. Then she easily kills 5 or so french guys in kung-fu style like scorpion from last mortal kombat. I wonder when she trained like that?
I have no problems with female characters, Sarah C and Ripley both are well developed strong female characters. Naru is just a Mary Sue here imho.
Tbh, Naru's fighting skills did make me raise an eyebrow towards the end
Quote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 08:52:09 PMWhen she fights with one of her tribe it was tight for her. Then she easily kills 5 or so french guys in kung-fu style like scorpion from last mortal kombat. I wonder when she trained like that?
I have no problems with female characters, Sarah C and Ripley both are well developed strong female characters. Naru is just a Mary Sue here imho.
You clearly missed the scene when chasing a deer and keeping up with it. Her parkouring off a tree or two during the bear chase. The scenes of her practicing and training with the axe that show her moving around quite quickly. Things I noticed that told me she isn't the things you keep insisting she is.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 09:00:11 PMQuote from: maknae on Aug 05, 2022, 08:52:09 PMWhen she fights with one of her tribe it was tight for her. Then she easily kills 5 or so french guys in kung-fu style like scorpion from last mortal kombat. I wonder when she trained like that?
I have no problems with female characters, Sarah C and Ripley both are well developed strong female characters. Naru is just a Mary Sue here imho.
You clearly missed the scene when chasing a deer and keeping up with it. Her parkouring off a tree or two during the bear chase. The scenes of her practicing and training with the axe that show her moving around quite quickly. Things I noticed that told me she isn't the things you keep insisting she is.
Parqouring is not the same as killing 5 people in skorpion style))
Her people are warriors, the French fur trappers are hired thugs. That's the difference.
She's clearly not a Mary Sue, she develops through the movie and demonstrates and improves skills. Nothing comes easily for her.
IRT THREAD
I didn't like it. I'm so bummed.
I'll probably soften on it on repeat viewings but geez.
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Everyone really hyped Feral but I didn't even feel like I was watching a Predator. The movements, the behaviour, It all felt like some generic monster wearing some vaguely Predator inspired gear. I get that he's more, well, feral, but Predators are an advanced space faring race, not orcs.
He doesn't even know how his gear works? HE DOESN'T NOTICE HE MISSES THREE TIMES?
The final fight was such an anticlimax. It was exactly the kind of plot armour monster nerfing you'd dread. I thought they were going to be more clever, but no - the Predator that kills a bear with a punch gently tosses the protagonist around long enough to end up exactly where it needs to be.
I actually thought Predators did a much better job handling the mismatch of physical abilities in the climax than this did.
The acting wasn't great but it felt like Beaver was being held at gunpoint to deliver that "if it bleeds" line.
It looked pretty but what movie with a budget doesn't these days? The soundtrack was nice.
My favourite part, though, was the fact that you can absolutely make a sequel that feels like you're watching a first movie if you just ... write the movie that way. I love that you can watch and enjoy this whether it's your first Predator movie or fifth. I love that it didn't rush to the Predator action and didn't take his mask off in the first two seconds because.
Better than The Predator but at the moment I'd rather watch Predators again.
So axe training with the rope scenes don't count either.
So, I'm excited to watch it again tonight.
Just saw it.
Better than the 2018 and 2010 movie but nothing I would say WOW great f**king movie about. Still hate that predator design. I wish Dan would have opened his eyes and used his brain and given us a predator design from the lost tribe. Boar, Guardian or just an upgraded p1 p2 mask, specially after all the crap designs we got after Predator 2. Just because it's set 300 years back doesn't mean the predator design should be messed with, I mean maybe a little tweak here and there but not to the extent that it loses the look and feel of a predator design like Feral did.
The CGI for the bear and the mountain lion wasn't that good looking. Other than that the movie had some good fight scenes and a beautiful landscape.
I would rank them
Predator - 10/10
Predator 2 - 8/10
Prey - 5/10
Predators - 3/10
The Predator - 1/10
You know, this is
exactly the kind of
Predator sequel I always said I wanted to see after getting into
Predator and
Predator 2 all those years ago. An adventure story operating within its own defined genre and style of filmmaking, like those original two films did with their own respective genres, with some real characters to root for in the setting and then just... drop a Predator into the mix! The structure is minimalist and the scale isn't huge, but the characters and the world they live in and all of the carnage that ensues are vividly defined and that's how these movies operate best.
I would have loved to have seen this in a theater, but alas...
I do definitely plan on revisiting this again in the coming days, this time with the Comanche dub selected rather than the default English audio track.
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Loved that third act return of the quicksand.
This would have been great in the theater.
;D I loved the movie and it is way better in detail than many people seem to realize. I could gush over every small detail and how smart everything was for hours, scene by scene.
The only thing I hate to admit I actually didn´t like is the new face design. They didn´t actually do themselves any favours to "dehumanise" him even more. Makes it harder to show clear human emotions on his face ( which would have been way better )
Other than that there are only small story points they could have polished a bit better for example Naru´s "sudden" jump to killing 4 peltmonger´s without showing a sign of remorse. Insert a scene like Lara Crofts first kill in the 2013 remake of Tomb Raider where she truly becomes a survivor after being forced to kill a human being would have had a way more emotional impact in Prey instead of just having a fast paced action scene. Make her transition to becoming a hardass a tidbit more believable and this movie would have been almost perfect.
9.5/10
Wow, I wonder who would win in a hand to hand match, 5 uncoordinated guys with no hand to hand training here to use guns on defenseless animals
vs
Someone that spent their entire life training to fight and hunt because no one believed in her, constantly shown to be trained in close ranged combat and only lacking focus before something motivated her to stop hesitating
mmmmm, makes me think
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 05, 2022, 11:28:40 AMIt's pretty good.
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But the faaaaaaace
Pretty much, ugly bastard.
Saw the movie with friends and loved it.
It was a home cinema setting with great sound and a few beers.
Pretty odd that she seems unable to kill the 500-1,000 pound bear that the Predator gutted in one blow and then deadlifted but utterly dominated the same Predator in hand to hand combat.
While I love the original Predator and Predator 2, Dan Trachtenberg has created a masterpiece on par with Ridley's Alien and Cameron's Aliens. We need to let the executives at Disney know this so they will continue to give us the films of this quality in the future. We do not need more Resurrections or AVP:R's
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 05, 2022, 08:41:16 PMIf you have a problem Naru defeating the predator in this then I have nothing for you. She completely earns the kill and had a ton of help getting it. This predator took an insane amount of damage, maybe more than City Hunter.
You just have to have a problem with women if you don't think Naru earned the kill.
So you have a problem with women if you don't like a fictional character that fights like she was bitten by a radioactive spider and defeats a creature that once threw a bodybuilder-figured and highly skilled commando around just for the fun of it after having been shot and speer-bombed multiple times? Naru is a superhero portrayed by an annoying baby faced squish ball that can't act: ''i'm drowing in a swamp but my facial expression looks like i could fall asleep in two seconds'' Ellen Ripley or Sarah connor she is not (in any universe).
And where is this development people that actually like this pool of feces keep talking about? She progresses into a warrior because she fell from a tree once? Where is this flawed Naru? And where is that development? The brother even admits that he could only have killed the cat due to her master-killer plan.
But this is all besides the point anyway. This movie was an utter display of incompetence on so many levels. Trachtenberg is never going to be an A-lister (quality wise) because he clearly doesn't have it in him.
I dare to say that Shane Black's utter shitshow has even more redeeming qualities than this pile of garbage. At least it has the motel scene and an attempt at characterization.
1. Predator
2. Predator
3. Predator
4. Predator
5. predator
6. predator 2
7. Predators
8. The Predator
9. Prey
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 05, 2022, 10:04:38 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 05, 2022, 11:28:40 AMIt's pretty good.
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But the faaaaaaace
Pretty much, ugly bastard.
Which is, you know, not necessarily a bad thing for a Predator
Quote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:12:25 PMI dare to say that Shane Black's utter shitshow has even more redeeming qualities than this pile of garbage. At least it has the motel scene and an attempt at characterization.
I'm always glad to hear people say something positive about The Predator but no
What a travesty that this movie didn't get a wide theatrical release. First off the film is gorgeous. Trachtenberg pulled off what is in my opinion the best Predator movie full stop. I know I'll get crucified for having that view but this flick REALLY impressed me. It's all in the characters for me and for the first time ever watching a predator film I actually cared when a character was killed. That right there gives it the top spot in my book. Prey has everything you need to tell a great predator story but it also has heart and that isnt something I expected at all. Amber Midthunder stole the show and was completely believable the entire time. I can totally see the Mad Max inspiration with the dog, good stuff! I've heard some complaints about the acting, I saw no problems at all. I can see where some of the cg bothered folks but none of it took me out of the movie personally. Feral is a damn monster and it was so refreshing to see something different under the mask. It really closely resembled some of Winston's old creature concept art for the original movie, so I could tell they were drawing inspiration from those early designs. Feral seems more alien to me and less "guy in a suit" if that makes sense. Feral was brutal and AWESOME but I also wanted to see him get what was coming to him by the end of the movie. May seem stupid but I usually root for the monster in Predator movies, this go around I was cheering for Naru! I came up watching Predator and Predator 2 religiously, collected the comics and the old Kenner figures and the thing that always fascinated me most was that as cool as the predators were that we saw on film there were even crazier types out there in the lore. I liked the different hunters in Predators but Feral feels like he's truly a different breed.
I've read some complaints about Feral "forgetting" how his bolt launcher works. I didn't get that read at all. Clearly the mask guides the bolts but only after a certain point in the bolts trajectory. Up close the bolts can be shot point blank and if they don't hit they start to seek. He BARELY missed the dog and we even see his shot at Naru come a little too close and it whizes right by her head. The cooling plant didn't bother me at all, it was as believable as the concept of mud hiding your body heat, news flash mud does NOT hide your body heat from a thermal imager. That's the thing about fiction though, not every concept has to be realistic. The head tilt that Feral gave as he realized his demise wasn't anywhere NEAR as cheesy as the City Hunters "oh no" face right before his arm was cut off in Predator 2 so, let's be real here. So while I understand some of the complaints I think there's some folks not paying attention to the movie mixed with a little willful blindness to the fact that the original films had some pretty goofy shit in them. I am suddenly realizing that Feral predator never talked, and i REALLY appreciate that.
Prey is exactly what this property needed. Back to the roots, back to basics, with some new stuff thrown in. I REALLY hope that Trachtenberg is brought back to do another one. I also think that doing time period pieces is where this franchise needs to stay for a while. I get that some folks didn't like Prey and that's OK, the original movies are still there to enjoy. If you didn't like Prey I won't try and change your mind, convince you my opinion is the only right opinion, say you're not a "real" fan, or proclaim that in a few months time you'll be embarrassed for not liking the movie because that would be nonsense. People like what they like or dislike and I'm not here to shit on anyone's parade. As for me, Prey is my favorite of the franchise.
Now hurry up Neca so I can add Naru (with the flintlock please) and Feral to my collection!!!!
Well, I am happy ;D I liked the movie a lot. Not happy with the face, but loved Feral Predator. Happy with two main characters, and Dan and the team did great job! Guess I would call Feral Predator my favourite ADI Predator, didn't like the Wolf to be honest. Liked the music, not as much as Alan Silvestry's, but still good, and sound's directing was GOOD. Liked it more then "Predators" 2010, and "The Predator 2018". Liked it less then "Predaotr 1,2" but that's okay, they are my favourite movies in the end of the day ;D Didn't count AvP, tven though I am cool wth them ;)
Hope this movie will bring back some popularity to the Predator Franchise, I've been waiting for this for 28 years. Sadly met negative spoilers in the community(not this one) about the ending and that they unhappy that the girl fights the predator and refuse to watch the movie and hate on it. But hope majority will enjoy the movie.
Thank to this site for the all your hard work to support our community, thank you very much ;)
My List:
1) Predator 2 (1990)
2) Predator (Objectively The Best) (1987)
3) Prey (2022)
4) Predators (2010), AvP (2004)
5) The Predator (2018), AvP: R (2007)
Great Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Quote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:12:25 PMdefeats a creature that once threw a bodybuilder-figured and highly skilled commando around just for the fun of it after having been shot and speer-bombed multiple times?
The Predator got hit by a bullet exactly once in the first movie, it got spear bombed once too, and it grazed it.
And this isn't even the same creature. Your critique is moot and your logic unreliable.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:27:25 PMGreat Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Do you seriously feel this awkward chicken-necked muppet is better than Kevin Peter Hall's iteration? am i living in the Twilight Zone here?
I haven't seen the movie yet, but the reactions and reviews sound incredible. Pretty much what we have been wanting with the franchise since the original films. I love how it ties in to Predator 2 as well. It makes me hopeful the Predator film future can be bright, which I didn't think would ever be the case.
Quote from: SwineRider on Aug 05, 2022, 09:48:06 PM;D I loved the movie and it is way better in detail than many people seem to realize. I could gush over every small detail and how smart everything was for hours, scene by scene.
The only thing I hate to admit I actually didn´t like is the new face design. They didn´t actually do themselves any favours to "dehumanise" him even more. Makes it harder to show clear human emotions on his face ( which would have been way better )
Other than that there are only small story points they could have polished a bit better for example Naru´s "sudden" jump to killing 4 peltmonger´s without showing a sign of remorse. Insert a scene like Lara Crofts first kill in the 2013 remake of Tomb Raider where she truly becomes a survivor after being forced to kill a human being would have had a way more emotional impact in Prey instead of just having a fast paced action scene. Make her transition to becoming a hardass a tidbit more believable and this movie would have been almost perfect.
9.5/10
All of the above, you absolutely nailed it.
Quote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:32:06 PMDo you seriously feel this awkward chicken-necked muppet is better than Kevin Peter Hall's iteration? am i living in the Twilight Zone here?
No, KPH cannot be matched, but I'm talking about the things Predator can do.
Let's be real, in the original, the cloaked Predator is basically a different Predator because the actual suit cannot move that fast.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 05, 2022, 10:29:48 PMQuote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:12:25 PMdefeats a creature that once threw a bodybuilder-figured and highly skilled commando around just for the fun of it after having been shot and speer-bombed multiple times?
The Predator got hit by a bullet exactly once in the first movie, it got spear bombed once too, and it grazed it.
And this isn't even the same creature. Your critique is moot and your logic unreliable.
Shot (unclear by how many bullets), arrow-bombed, spear-bombed. But fine, enjoy your movie and everybody that liked it, please do. This was it for me; absolutely done with this series. To be honest i'm only a fan of the first movie anyway. The garbarge already starts with predator 2. Somewhat the same with Alien, while Aliens isn't bad (it's actually good, i like it) it does nothing for the original and its masterful atmosphere. Okay wasted enough time on this movie. Adios.
I wish Voodoo was still around, I would love to hear his take. I honestly don't know how he's going feel about this film
Quote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:27:25 PMGreat Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Given that City Hunter survived being shot 9 times at close range with a shotgun, and continued the fight. Feral surviving extensive musket shots is pretty believable. I haven't seen the movie yet. But there's no doubt Yautja physiology could withstand mere musket rounds.
Quote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:32:06 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:27:25 PMGreat Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Do you seriously feel this awkward chicken-necked muppet is better than Kevin Peter Hall's iteration? am i living in the Twilight Zone here?
You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f***ing each other over for a goddamn percentage! lol just kidding, couldn't help myself.
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considering they pay so much on how the Predator doesn't take her seriously, having her just end up in an actual fight with it was just really dumb.
She could've hidden herself from the Predator and run rings around it, tricking it into the final trap, but instead we need the Predator to adopt the Terminator school of "one hit KO except the protagonist"
He barely flinches cutting his own arm off, but then convulses every time she cuts him so his grip weakens JUST enough for her to get away. Repeat.
At least with Anytime you knew it was playing with him at the end. Here the Predator was actively trying to kill her and suddenly couldn't hold it together long enough to finish the job.
So much potential, gone.
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Aug 05, 2022, 10:39:46 PMQuote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:32:06 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:27:25 PMGreat Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Do you seriously feel this awkward chicken-necked muppet is better than Kevin Peter Hall's iteration? am i living in the Twilight Zone here?
You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f***ing each other over for a goddamn percentage! lol just kidding, couldn't help myself.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/42974f13a2598dcb94edb7c00bb3455f/tumblr_on6jdg2x3A1qdhps7o3_r1_500.gifv)
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2022, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: (Bad Blood) on Aug 05, 2022, 10:39:46 PMQuote from: Carter Burke on Aug 05, 2022, 10:32:06 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:27:25 PMGreat Predator movie, enjoyed it a lot.
Definitely the best one since the original.
Predator in this one is the coolest. Has the coolest moves, does the coolest kills, has the coolest gadgets.
My only problem is that it suffers from the same problem the latest Batman has and that is that this Predator is basically bulletproof and invincible. Everthing is just a minor nuiscance and it doesn't even care much that it is out in the open surrounded by people. It just walks up and kills everyone.
But other than that, really what I wanted from a new Predator movie.
Do you seriously feel this awkward chicken-necked muppet is better than Kevin Peter Hall's iteration? am i living in the Twilight Zone here?
You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f***ing each other over for a goddamn percentage! lol just kidding, couldn't help myself.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/42974f13a2598dcb94edb7c00bb3455f/tumblr_on6jdg2x3A1qdhps7o3_r1_500.gifv
LOL
Naru mentions that she thinks she saw a "mudoki" or something from their myths.
Is that supposed to be another Predator from the past?
I just finished the movie and I think I'll start it again
Quote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:52:04 PMI just finished the movie and I think I'll start it again
I'm planning on watching with the Comanche dub tomorrow.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:49:49 PMNaru mentions that she thinks she saw a "mudoki" or something from their myths.
Is that supposed to be another Predator from the past?
It's a word for "monster" I believe. Not referencing other Predators.
Really enjoyed it, certainly not perfect by any means but i thought it was a well put together film.
I loved Feral overall, i agree to an extent about the face (was that about 2 foot of eye seperation :o) however it was only really visible in fleeting glances in dark light and it really made it hard to see and make out properly which i thought was a neat touch, i loved the masked look and had no issue with the mandible movement or cgi, the suit itself looked fantastic and thermal vision, his weaponary and his sound design where all top notch, loved the grid cloaking effect also.
I can only remember about 3-4 specific scenes during the movie that I wasn't too sure about:
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The Flowers affecting body temp so quickly and the slight awkwardness of the "If it Bleeds.." line, it also seemed to come to an end just tiny a bit too quickly (probably becuase i was enjoying it so much)
Stand out things for me where the Cinematography, the atmosphere and the way Feral was gradually introduced, i also loved the low frequency rumble that could be heard at times during his presence which i havent really heard used since the original, Sarah Schachners score was also outstanding in this.
I also loved:
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The scene where the group of fur trappers attempt to capture Feral with a net, i knew EXACTLY how that would go and was absolutley not disappointed, also the homage to the P1 camp attack scene where they crawled towards the mountain lion on there bellys
Will prob find more that I liked/disliked on repeat viewings but overall i enjoyed this alot, I'd call it a very well put together addition to the franchise and although it doesn't really advance things story wise i dont really think it has to, this is the type of Predator movie i have wanted to see made for a long time and i'd say my rankings are:
P1
Prey
P2
Predators
I'd say although P2 holds alot of early 90s nostalgia for me and actually had a more enjoyable story with a few more interesting and memorable/over the top characters, the production quality, creature portrayal and overall tone of Prey just puts it at number 2 for me.
Okay, now my two cents.
This was brilliant!!! Not perfect, of course, like any movie, but so much was just incredible. After my first real movie disappointment with The Predator, this was a breath of fresh air. The acting was great except that one callback that was painfully delivered. :laugh: With The Predator I was trying so hard to like the movie and I've never been so disappointed with a piece of the Alien and Predator franchise. But this time it was a beautiful experience to watch this. The Predator made me miss the tribal and hunting aspect of the creature which I loved in all three previous instalments, so seeing it return here was exactly what I've been waiting for. Loved the brutality of Feral, loved all the action scenes and I never want to go back to anything less. You feel the power and wait of all the creatures.
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Loved how Feral went from smaller prey to bigger hunts. Now we know how do the predators get the smaller skulls for their armor. It was also cool how Feral chose very carefully what weapon was worthy of what prey. But never went the boring honor rout, it's all just a fun game for the savage Feral. I really like my predators with that characteristic, I hope it sticks!
That bear punch was AWESOME!
Naru's win was set up very well. She was fast, smart, studied Feral, made logical assumptions was and motivated. The ending fight was great with only a few dumb things. Plot armor was noticeable with how some coincidences helped her out, but that's better than making her unrealistically strong. Her action scenes with the French trappers were a bit too much, I know she is a tribal warrior that trained a lot, and it's logical that she'll have it easier than with the other guy from her tribe, but still it was a bit too much. I had to try and justify it to myself, and even though it worked, the point is when you have to do that, that's a flaw. The CGI wasn't perfect, especially for some animals, but that never took me out the scene and it was greatly used for the action.
The only other critique is Naru ripping out that f*cking mandible! How the hell can that be possible when it wasn't even damaged in any way? :laugh: Literally if they just showed it clearly damaged and bloody I could believe that. That was the one thing I could not believe, but that's a small point.
The way Feral died wasn't too much of a problem for me. He didn't know Naru had his mask, hadn't seen it during the fight, didn't see the lasers being pointed at his head form behind, was dead tired and somewhat stuck in the mud.
Oh yeah, she should've been more hurt in that fight. She took some shield bashes, she needed a lot more cuts and bruises. And being grabbed by the neck from a creature who can ONE PUNCH a bear, Feral should've been able to snap her neck. Though that didn't happen with Dutch... And I will give it to Feral, he was shot in the back of the head, stabbed, cut, lost his whole main right arm (the one that killed the bear), so I'll give it to him if he's tired with his non dominant arm.
Still, a lot of genius things happened in that final fight, and was very nicely choreographed. The way he lost his arm was awesome.
I'm just so happy to be excited about the predator franchise again, along with Hunting Grounds, the anthologies and so on, things have been getting better for the predator slowly since the rock bottom in 2018. I hope this continues. Dan has shown his stuff, he's not a hack like Shane was. I want Dan to continue making more of these movies, other time periods or a continuation of the story, don't care, I'm all for it.
And loved the horror atmosphere, it made me fear Feral like no other predator. Nothing close since Predators 2010 tense atmosphere, but this goes in much better, I want to rewatch this many times. And loved Feral's gadgets!
Quote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:49:49 PMNaru mentions that she thinks she saw a "mudoki" or something from their myths.
Is that supposed to be another Predator from the past?
Good spot! Suggests that (despite what the marketing says) this isn't the Pred's first foray to Earth.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2022, 10:58:55 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:49:49 PMNaru mentions that she thinks she saw a "mudoki" or something from their myths.
Is that supposed to be another Predator from the past?
Good spot! Suggests that (despite what the marketing says) this isn't the Pred's first foray to Earth.
In Trachtenberg's mind,
Prey is this particular Predator's first venture to Earth, not the race's as a whole. Anything else being spewed by the marketing right now is just that, the marketing.
Just finished watching prey now and it was pretty good. would rate it a 6-7/10 but it goes up to an 8 due to that bear punch
I've rewatched the kill scenes and I do have a problem with this Predator.
It's not really hunting.
There's no proper stalking, mysterious picking off one by one, taking his time (Jungle Hunter waited whole night to give another go at them), there's no voice imitation, etc.
Feral is basically a killing machine, not a hunter.
See that was my single biggest issue. I didn't feel like I was watching an actual Predator at any point. Even when he was sniping people he was doing it from the ground, directly in front.
I really feel like Dan wanted an original monster by the end of it. He wanted it to look different, act different, move different - what's left? A monster with mandibles that turns invisible and sees in infrared.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 11:39:11 PMSee that was my single biggest issue. I didn't feel like I was watching an actual Predator at any point. Even when he was sniping people he was doing it from the ground, directly in front.
I really feel like Dan wanted an original monster by the end of it. He wanted it to look different, act different, move different - what's left? A monster with mandibles that turns invisible and sees in infrared.
Yea, I'm afraid it doesn't feel like Predator movie in this sense, but then again, only the first one has that feel.
Nothing captures the atmosphere of the original where the claustrophobia comes from the vastness of space.
And there were so many trees he could've been hiding in! When I saw the forest setting in the trailers I was like "Great, trees, plenty of places to hide and drop down from."
I can't remember a single attack launched from a high vantage point. Everything was just walking up to people or standing in front of them.
Predator 2 at least had the excuse of closed quarters.
he goes tree hopping a lot.
it's a different dude.
why would they all act the same.
this is BIZARRE thinking.
He hops a lot, but he doesn't hunt from the trees.
He doesn't really hunt from anywhere, he just walks up to things.
The character is an intergalactic hunter, wanting them to hunt is not bizarre thinking.
This Predator is far less about stealth and more about up close combat. It its reckless in its approach so he takes more damage in each encounter. It doesn't care.
This same criticism can be applied to City Hunter, who dashed head first into every fight.
Some folks here are just looking for any excuse, however minor, to slam the movie, it seems. 8)
That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And "Prey" is by no means perfect. But I just have some doubt in the back of my mind, whether some of criticism comes from a legitimate assessment of the movie...or whether they come from bias and prejudice because they didn't like the setting of the movie or we got a lead who just happens to be female... ;D
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 12:14:47 AMThis same criticism can be applied to City Hunter, who dashed head first into every fight.
Firstly, I do.
Secondly, P2 tempers it with the Predator acting like a Predator in other ways. He's not a dumb brute who doesn't know how his own gear works on top of everything else.
If the only thing Feral did differently was attack from the ground head-on it'd be whatever, but it's part of a broader collection of behavioural changes that strip out most of what makes the Predator more than a space orc with a cloaking device.
I'm still waiting for a Predator movie to utilize the scene from the script which never made it into the original. The scene where cloaked Predator is standing behind someone and as they turn it turns so it's always behind them. Like in cartoons.
Damn, as much as I did enjoy Prey, I now can't get rid of the realization that Predator does not feel like Predator. He feels more like Michael Myers. He even tilts his head at some point while looking at a kill.
I'm looking forward to watching the film again in the future after time has passed and seeing it with fresh eyes. I'm sure I'll see it differently.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 12:00:18 AMHe hops a lot, but he doesn't hunt from the trees.
He doesn't really hunt from anywhere, he just walks up to things.
The character is an intergalactic hunter, wanting them to hunt is not bizarre thinking.
I totally understand that criticism. The hunting aspects of this movie was very different than the other films.
In my opinion the first half of the film with Feral hunting the wildlife and stalking the Comanches was great. When feral started to attack the French trappers he felt more akin to Jason or Michael Myers. An unstoppable killer dispatching a number of foes at once. But, how is that any different than City?
There really isn't a good explanation for it and I get why that could rub fans the wrong way. I mean you could always fansplain it away by chalking it up to individuality among predators or subspecies of predators. Or you could stick with the marketing and think it was that Predator's first Hunt on earth and this was more of a scout than anything regardless I for one liked is actions(for the most part minus some things in the end of course.)
City Hunter IS a dumb brute, he is extremely reckless and makes many mistakes through the movie and could have easily survived the events of P2 if he wasn't so cocky or careless.
Feral's weapons are all close ranged and that's how he hunts, and he does stalk too, at least before deciding to jump into battle after facing the Comanche party.
Also, the only time Feral "didn't know how his gear worked" was when he was firing darts in a panic after being hit in the back by his own weapon, and it's worth noting that EVERY time he fired it at Tabee, Tabee had to dodge the arrow because it was still going straight for him, he wasn't missing simply due to being "dumb", he was missing because he wasn't used to it and his target was dodging while moving.
Quote from: GreybackElder on Aug 06, 2022, 12:39:50 AMI totally understand that criticism. The hunting aspects of this movie was very different than the other films.
In my opinion the first half of the film with Feral hunting the wildlife and stalking the Comanches was great. When feral started to attack the French trappers he felt more akin to Jason or Michael Myers. An unstoppable killer dispatching a number of foes at once. But, how is that any different than City?
There really isn't a good explanation for it and I get why that could rub fans the wrong way. I mean you could always fansplain it away by chalking it up to individuality among predators or subspecies of predators. Or you could stick with the marketing and think it was that Predator's first Hunt on earth and this was more of a scout than anything regardless I for one liked is actions(for the most part minus some things in the end of course.)
I just want to point out something about your signature. Billy actually says "and it ain't no ma'am"
Quote from: GreybackElder on Aug 06, 2022, 12:39:50 AMI totally understand that criticism. The hunting aspects of this movie was very different than the other films.
In my opinion the first half of the film with Feral hunting the wildlife and stalking the Comanches was great. When feral started to attack the French trappers he felt more akin to Jason or Michael Myers. An unstoppable killer dispatching a number of foes at once. But, how is that any different than City?
There really isn't a good explanation for it and I get why that could rub fans the wrong way. I mean you could always fansplain it away by chalking it up to individuality among predators or subspecies of predators. Or you could stick with the marketing and think it was that Predator's first Hunt on earth and this was more of a scout than anything regardless I for one liked is actions(for the most part minus some things in the end of course.)
It's really part of a whole. On its own it wasn't so bad - there's precedent - but there were so many other little touches lacking that didn't tie it back.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 12:40:46 AMAlso, the only time Feral "didn't know how his gear worked" was when he was firing darts in a panic after being hit in the back by his own weapon, and it's worth noting that EVERY time he fired it at Tabee, Tabee had to dodge the arrow because it was still going straight for him, he wasn't missing simply due to being "dumb", he was missing because he wasn't used to it and his target was dodging while moving.
We can explain it as a panic the first time -- but then he does the
same thing later. He doesn't learn and he doesn't seem to realise what happened. That paints him as ignorant of how his own technology functions.
How would he know his helmet is mere meters away from him and not where he was hit or somewhere else? For all he knew he would have no idea they were aware of the targeting system
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 12:52:58 AMHow would he know his helmet is mere meters away from him and not where he was hit or somewhere else? For all he knew he would have no idea they were aware of the targeting system
Why would we expect it to suddenly not need the targeting system? We're never shown it working otherwise.
We could've got the same ending with the same result without making the Predator look dumb with a bit more clever writing.
Again, it's not like the Predator knew the mask was right there pointing at him lol, he wasn't dumb, he was cocky, y'know, like every other Predator
The point is why would he even expect it to hit her if it's going to go find its target elsewhere. I'm not saying he's dumb for shooting himself -- you're right, he wouldn't know -- but he is dumb for trying it. If he hadn't, Naru would be dead -- and that's what I don't like. It only happens so he can kill himself and it just feels like a lazy out that's not necessary.
Naru uses a reflective surface to redirect the lasers -- boom, elegant solution, nobody looks like an idiot, same outcome. Would require a little setup, but that's hardly difficult.
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And just so we're all clear I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything or to change anyone's minds, I'm just saying how I feel and the reasons why. Your mileage may vary.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 12:58:09 AMNaru uses a reflective surface to redirect the lasers -- boom, elegant solution, nobody looks like an idiot, same outcome. Would require a little setup, but that's hardly difficult.
I'm now imagining some loony tunes shit with an Aliens' dome redirecting the laser.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2022, 01:19:26 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 12:58:09 AMNaru uses a reflective surface to redirect the lasers -- boom, elegant solution, nobody looks like an idiot, same outcome. Would require a little setup, but that's hardly difficult.
I'm now imagining some loony tunes shit with an Aliens' dome redirecting the laser.
f**k BRB grabbing some screenshots to animate this.
I really love the different take to this Predator. Why do all Predators have to be the same? ... I mean look at us humans. We have so much diversity in all manner of our aspects in the way we look, interact and go about our business. And this doesn't feel like too much of a stretch to have me going `Oh they really messed with the Predator'. I like the fact Dan had something a little different but also familiar with this Predator.
I'll wait a while before watching it again - let it breathe a bit.
He's cocky for sure. Mud in his eyes too. Incensed. Beaten up. Angery. ;D
Also we can assume Feral can use his projectiles without guidance, raw dogging 😂. First time he's just hoping Naru's brother gets caught in the line of sight, second he only realises when he turns that's it aimed at him. He's pissed with mud in his eyes. ANGRY BOI 😂🥰🥰
Quote from: Prez on Aug 06, 2022, 01:24:59 AMI really love the different take to this Predator. Why do all Predators have to be the same? ... I mean look at us humans. We have so much diversity in all manner of our aspects in the way we look, interact and go about our business. And this doesn't feel like too much of a stretch to have me going `Oh they really messed with the Predator'. I like the fact Dan had something a little different but also familiar with this Predator.
For me it's not about being exactly the same, it's about change and continuity. Change some things but maintain others to tie it all together to express individuality- the same way the first two predators look and act different but are still clearly the same organism.
I personally think Feral dropped too many things at once and lost the glue that tied it back to the others.
But I'm also going to let it sit and come back to it later.
Overall, I enjoyed it. There's really not much to say about it since it's such a simple premise. I'm 50/50 on the new predator.
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-on one hand: he is, without a doubt, the worst looking predator ever. I mean, Jesus Christ, :laugh: Those eyes: like a character out of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b1/f9/83/b1f983de99dfef2b8fd9270f05693a96.jpg)
He looks great with the Mask on, at least.
-The bear fight was awesome until he just punches the bear in the face: resulting in its death. What? Dutch got punched a dozen times and kept going, why would a bear just drop dead?
-I'm happy to see the original vision mode return.
-Feral was fun to watch. the new gadgets were great, I just wished he stalked from the trees at least once.
-I had no problem with the way Naru beat the predator. The only time I called "bullshit" was when she pulled him into the mud. Yeah no, he would have pulled that rope and sent her flying.
- Did anybody else catch the subtle after credits scene? Looks like a fleet of Predator ships descend on Naru and her tribe. To collect Feral's body? I guess this is the moment Greyback gets the flintlock pistol?
I liked the touch of the mask noting and tracking individual targets.
I get the criticism of the ending, but I think the fact that after half an hour you realise your actually watching a competent movie , it sort of over rules the iffy bits.
If anything I think the movie required an extra sequence or two. One after her brother dies and one for the set up , you could even blend those two in.
Feels like though Dan was given about 30 bucks to make this movie and he managed to squeeze every last cent out of it. 8)
Just watched the movie. Non-spoiler review: it's good, I liked it.
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It was a slow burn at first but I was largely okay with it. I'm not sure how necessary it was because unlike the slow(ish) burn in 'Predator' before the Predator starts murdering people, that burn is full of the characters interacting with each other and building personalities and relationships. In 'Prey' it was kind of a lot of either the Predator doing random stuff or Naru by herself doing random stuff, and most of Naru's stuff didn't feel super necessary because we got the point pretty quickly that she's capable and innovative. I was hoping we'd get some character development and we got hints of it with the interactions with her brother and mother, but then all of the other characters were nameless, faceless cannon fodder who barely had personalities. Kind of a waste - as all over the place as 'The Predator' was, even that one took the time to have the characters interact with each other and play off each other and even have names.
The Predator was a COLOSSAL badass, when he goes apeshit on the French trappers it was pretty f**king bananas.
REALLY not a fan of the Predator's face design. Like I mean I guess you can make the case that Predators don't all look the same (and 'The Predator' even intended to demonstrate that with the two Emissary Predators, who looked pretty different) but the one in this movie just looked.... weird. Like the only thing that made it look like a Predator were the mandibles and the dreadlocks, everything else was different and I don't think it needed to be. Even the Super Predators from 'Predators' looked more in-line with mainline Predators, and they were pretty different.
Not my favorite Predator movie, not better than the first two, I'd probably rank it alongside 'Predators' (caveat: I like 'Prey' and 'Predators' for different reasons, they are very different movies).
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I'm going to have to sit with this but for now, I liked it. I just don't love it.
A lot of my dislike of it is tied up with how much Feral sucks as a villain. Amber is fantastic, but this is a horror movie that keeps trying to be a monster movie. We need to see Feral less. We need to build suspense with him before we show him off as simply revealing him in cloak is still too much as worse the CGI seldom looks good. Like it's not bad, it's passable. But when the cloak isn't being goofy the visual doesn't work and we can still see too much of him. And yeah the face sucks. It's the only face I'd genuinely call bad since it looks like a Boov morphed with a Predator and I don't know who to blame for that. ADI for not being able to make that look scary, or Dan Tracthenberg for wanting it in the first place.
The masked head I like a lot. That looks intimidating but when it comes off, no. I think had he gone the whole film with it on he'd have looked better. It's just a creepier visual with the mask on that's ruined by the goofy bastard underneath.
But otherwise his armament is just weird alien shit to be weird alien shit. The entire fight with the "white men" is pretty much to be toyetic. Like why does he have these? The spear gun is cool if not completely f**king stupid in practice but I think it's cool. The spear doubling for a two-handed weapon is cool (no complaints there, that was genuinely a neat idea). I like the usage of the shield. It's really all the good things I can say about them. But frankly while it works for the ending.., why did he fire the spear gun? Like he knows how that thing works right? He'd been using it the whole hunt right? Knowing his mask is off and that the laser will send the spear at what it's aiming at, why did he think he could hit Naru? Even if the mask wasn't aiming at him, why did he think that'd work? That gun is a f**king liability.
Feral's body language is something. Like for the character design just casually striding doesn't work. But when Feral is CGI (cloak or jumping through trees) its good. Dane either didn't know how to do it, or Dan was not able to direct him. Hell, they both could be at fault. And if Dane was doing the CGI Feral, well he should've been doing that while visible. I admit this one might require a second viewing for me to properly appreciate, but I do think past-performers did better.
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Otherwise why is Adolini here? Oh right, he's here because they wanted a named white guy. That's it. The pistol could've been given by anybody, but it's only here to make a connection to a movie from thirty years ago and to suggest Naru after all that is about to get her shit pushed in given the credits say they met more immediately following this. The "white men" are here to be gross, push a body count, and make a wholly unsatisfying retcon to the lore. Not that it changes the pirate origin, but because Adolini is kind of here. Like they know about Feral but he showed up like a day or two ago meaning Feral had an eventful evening. But otherwise they serve little purpose. I think something more unique is if they found the remains of the camp, and that's where they got the pistol. You can still have the fight with them but there's no reason to have Adolini here beyond it simply being where Naru gets the gun. After thirty years of speculation and that comic, Adolini is like, some guy. He gets stepped on by a Predator and immediately gutted. So it's not satisfying for lore, nor does it need to be here as it's only here to be body count for the trailer. Yay?
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This is not a bad movie, it's just a flawed movie with a villain whose not even as scary or cool as any of the ones that preceded it.
B- purely on the grounds that it's story is good, it's villain just sucks. C+ coming into it with the expectation the lore changes would be as good if not better than what came before and it it's not.
There's a lot to love in the film, but also a lot to be underwhelmed by, which is why it sits squarely at Predators territory for me. For everything I didn't like there's something I enjoyed and vice versa.
Boring first act, excellent middle act and terrible last act. The callback lines ("If it bleeds, we can kill it" and "Come on! Do it!") were eye rolling. Also, it made zero sense how Naru figured certain things out, such as the fact that the predator uses heat vision to see its targets and that the predator's helmet uses a homing targeting system. The ending was abrupt and anti-climatic.
It was a very well directed movie though and there were a few very good scenes during the middle act. For what it's worth, I'd rate this as the third best predator movie (after Predator and Predator 2) but there's a sizeable gulf between those movies and this one. Overall, I rate the movie as a 6/10.
I really enjoyed this movie overall, it has it's flaws but in this case I feel like the good points outweigh the bad points so I didn't notice the latter as much and had a consistently enjoyable experience. Considering how downhill the movies were going prior PREY is a breath of fresh air.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 06, 2022, 02:24:23 AMAlso, it made zero sense how Naru figured certain things out, such as the fact that the predator uses heat vision to see its targets and that the predator's helmet uses a homing targeting system. The ending was abrupt and anti-climatic.
She gives Adolini the drug that cools his blood and realises the Predator can't see him afterwards. She takes the same drug later to the same effect.
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I feel like the targeting system made sense for her to know. She was there when Feral shot the guy earlier in the film and at the camp. Informed guess, but the targeting made sense for her to know. She also watched Adolini go unnoticed until he got stepped on and its established people go cold with the kind of medicine she uses.
My problem with it however is that Feral should know how the targeting system works. Which even if the laser wasn't aimed at him, it still wasn't aimed at Naru. Meaning the spear is going any place that isn't Naru.
Actually as an aside, what the f**k even is this gun? I get the idea, you can aim the spear. But what practical usage does this have? He still has to follow the target for the spear to follow. But the spear while can miss, it also goes too fast to alter course. So why is this function here? Further why wouldn't this be on the gun itself? Further, this is his first trip here and instead of bringing a gun that shoots, he brought a gun with an extra step to hitting his target.
Not sure if anyone's mentioned it, there are a lot of pages to this thread, but A+ Wilhelm Scream use.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 02:44:03 AMNot sure if anyone's mentioned it, there are a lot of pages to this thread, but A+ Wilhelm Scream use.
The only thing goofier was the opening titles :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2022, 11:45:55 PMAnd there were so many trees he could've been hiding in! When I saw the forest setting in the trailers I was like "Great, trees, plenty of places to hide and drop down from."
I can't remember a single attack launched from a high vantage point. Everything was just walking up to people or standing in front of them.
Predator 2 at least had the excuse of closed quarters.
one of the mysteries of the first movie was how the predator moved through the trees with no noise no trees bending etc. the only thing we saw i think if i remember correctly was that in one scene the when the pred jumped from one tree to the next while cloaked he seems to be able to stand parallel to the ground. like his cloaking device not only bends light but gravity as well. anyways i dont known how this movie handles that aspect but his movement on the ground and not being in the trees limits the mystique and makes this pred fell less intelligent and playing with his prey. imo anyway.
JH had gone to Earth many times, this is Feral's first time there, he did use the trees a bit too
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 06, 2022, 02:24:23 AMBoring first act, excellent middle act and terrible last act. The callback lines ("If it bleeds, we can kill it" and "Come on! Do it!") were eye rolling. Also, it made zero sense how Naru figured certain things out, such as the fact that the predator uses heat vision to see its targets and that the predator's helmet uses a homing targeting system.
As mentioned she sees the flowers' cooling effect and how the Predator can't see the trapper she had just dosed, and in the scene when her brother fights and distracts the Predator after knocking its mask off, she sees how the homing laser works.
I have to say..
I would of taken this movie for what it is. I truly would have. The movie did a great job establishing itself as a good predator movie.
But... why do they need to do Stan Winston a disservice and disrespect him by changing his design.
I mean what the hell, honestly, why did they need to change the face!?... it takes all validity away.
It's unfortunate I'll never see another predator movie with predator in it.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 02:35:08 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Aug 06, 2022, 02:24:23 AMAlso, it made zero sense how Naru figured certain things out, such as the fact that the predator uses heat vision to see its targets and that the predator's helmet uses a homing targeting system. The ending was abrupt and anti-climatic.
She gives Adolini the drug that cools his blood and realises the Predator can't see him afterwards. She takes the same drug later to the same effect.
I get that but it doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't she assume that the predator wasn't attacking Adolini simply because he was playing possum? What on Earth lead her to jump to the conclusion that it was because he was cold?
I think that this movie had good ideas but ultimately two things ruined it or me
1. Mary Sue main character, basically all the other characters in the film including the predator only exist to be patronized by Naru
2. The face and the design of the feral predator is just absolutely garbage, really offensive for a predator fan
On the positive side I liked some scenes like the figth of the Predator against the french guys
overall another lost opportunity for the franchise
7/10
4th best
The dropped the ending hard with the Predator just getting stupid at the end. That was a huge letdown. Would have been better if it drowned, by far, or so immobilized by the bog that she stabs it through the mouth with the a spear or something. Everything else is pretty good, it's just the last sequence and the call back lines that sink it from great to good.
Movie rules. 9/10.
Great stuff. Let's get more of these made ASAP.
After a lengthy discussion with
@Xenomrph I've come to the conclusion that this wasn't just Feral's first hunt on earth, but his first hunt ever, and literally all of my complaints about the Predator characterisation dissolve viewed in this lens.
It not only explains the clunkier hunting style, but also parallels Naru's first hunt. And in the same way she finds the limits of her weaponry and adapts them into something more useful, Feral is blind to the limits and it's his downfall.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 04:29:15 AMAfter a lengthy discussion with @Xenomrph I've come to the conclusion that this wasn't just Feral's first hunt on earth, but his first hunt ever, and literally all of my complaints about the Predator characterisation dissolve viewed in this lens.
It not only explains the clunkier hunting style, but also parallels Naru's first hunt. And in the same way she finds the limits of her weaponry and adapts them into something more useful, Feral is blind to the limits and it's his downfall.
This is why I don't think it's a big deal he's not "sneaking" up on anyone. At no point does he use stealth to take anything out.
If you think about how he acts with the snake, the wolf and the bear, he just stands there and kind says - come at me. He's more of a brawler imo.
He has no reason to stealth kill prey you can see he doesn't respect.
If I take it as first hunt on earth, not first hunt in general, it doesn't work. It's absolutely moronic to not approach things you're not sure about - especially when they're clearly large and dangerous like a bear - with no caution.
Letting yourself get surrounded, letting yourself gett hacked up, not paying attention to your weaponry, don't speak to an unfamiliar environment but an unfamiliar process. He's done some practice and some training but this is his first hunt out in the wild and he's just f**king up at every step.
Luckily he's bigger, tougher, stronger than everything around him - but that only saves him so much. And it takes him too long to realise he's survived not by his own ability, but by genetic lottery.
And it mirrors the inverse of Naru so well. She's smaller and weaker and more brittle than the things around her so she must adapt and plan or else she'll die. And so she's finally able to succeed.
I was surprised at the weird feeling of anticipation I felt sitting down to this. Like, the possibility of not just getting a decent new entry into the series but a great little film, in general? It was a definite vibe.
Then the movie ended up being right on the money, for me. Everything I wanted in a new outing. Back to basics. New environment, same basic structure, with a few twists unique to the setting.
Add to that a fantastic score and beautiful cinematography?
PREY is a solid win, in my eyes. I look forward to watching this one again in the near future.
I disagree it's on that level but I definitely agree this is a step in the right direction.
Quote from: oldpainless on Aug 06, 2022, 03:34:54 AM1. Mary Sue main character, basically all the other characters in the film including the predator only exist to be patronized by Naru
She learns and grows and has to fight to survive. She's not a Mary Sue, she works for her victory.
Just noticed Feral doesn't use any projectiles on victims until seeing the humans use arrows to kill the possum while he's watching from the tree. Thought that was interesting.
People seem to forget that just because we all love Predator, the Humans are still the heroes of the movie.
I thought the actors were great, the script is really smart and sets everything up well, and it is THE best Predator action we've ever seen in a movie. Other people have said it, but this is the cockiest Pred we've ever seen and he relishes the Hunt and also will throw down when cornered.
Naru is a smart and observant Protagonist, and doesn't ever luck into any situation. She takes what she knows and applies it to what she sees to overcome the threat. She is actively thinking throughout the movie. Way smarter than a beaver.
Dakota Beavers has a badass screen debut. I like the relationship between him and Dakota Johnson. Other people have said they thought his throwback line was groan inducing but I thought it was the moment that started one of the best sequences in the movie.
My phone put Dakota Johnson but I meant Amber Midthunder, my b
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 06:04:38 AMQuote from: oldpainless on Aug 06, 2022, 03:34:54 AM1. Mary Sue main character, basically all the other characters in the film including the predator only exist to be patronized by Naru
She learns and grows and has to fight to survive. She's not a Mary Sue, she works for her victory.
They literally show her practicing, give the impression she does this a ton in her spare time, and show that her ambition is just a bit outside of her skill set until she goes through the crucible of facing down Feral (whom she outsmarted rather than outfights).
Am I wrong or there's a couple of scenes from the trailer not actually in the movie?
Like the "I'm trying to protect you - protect me from what" dialogue (which was delivered horribly) and Predator spearing a French and throwing him by the spear above his head.
Naru was portrayed as struggling to
hunt animals, but she was shown as a
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great fighter against the Commanche sent to bring her back and the Frenchmen she slaughtered in their camp
...the latter was a bit too much for my taste, like she's this Commanche CQC specialist when she only needs to be a smart, resourceful young woman who yearns to be a capable hunter
Quote from: Marc505 on Aug 05, 2022, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:52:20 PMYeah, I was actually really surprised by it. I was expecting the swamp to factor into her camouflage, but when I realised how it was going to go down I thought it was a great way to make sure of her skills.
I remember you saying after your first viewing that you enjoyed it but there was one glaring thing you really didn't rate that might be controversial (not exactly that, but along those lines)
What was the thing? Apologies if I've missed it or if it's coming in a podcast review!
No, I really liked the flower angle. I didn't get to look into it until after the movie, but I knew it'd have some exaggerated basis in reality like the mud and I thought it was a really smart way to play into her skills and knowledge we'd seen in the movie.
It was all the stuff with Feral forgetting the auto-targetting that I disliked.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 05, 2022, 10:39:13 PMI wish Voodoo was still around, I would love to hear his take. I honestly don't know how he's going feel about this film
Ahh agreed, hope we hear his thoughts on the film somehow even if as a guest cameo on a review pod.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 06, 2022, 06:43:48 AMNaru was portrayed as struggling to hunt animals, but she was shown as a
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great fighter against the Commanche sent to bring her back and the Frenchmen she slaughtered in their camp
...the latter was a bit too much for my taste, like she's this Commanche CQC specialist when she only needs to be a smart, resourceful young woman who yearns to be a capable hunter
Disagree there straight away. The film shows Naru's first attempt being disrupted by an outside source (the Predator ship arriving). But is shown to learn and make mistakes throughout the film, and then develop. It's classic actual character development.
I'll need to watch it again (is the Comanche dub better?) but I thought it was ok, not great.
Two early sequences that I felt should have been cut out and not filmed were the shots of
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The Predator ship flying away with the Predator uncloaking and the scene with the Predator and the snake. In both cases the CGI was poor and not only that but it completely took away a sense of mystery and ruined the flow/vibe of the movie. Why not just have Naru come across the skinned snake or a different skinned animal without showing the skinning?
Positives: the actors were all very good, the environment looked incredible and oh man do I love that dog so much!
Like others I think the middle section of the movie was the best. Not sure where I'd rank it yet, there's some good film making on display but I found some of the shakey cam action hard to follow and the bad CG in places brings it down for me.
Quote from: Wompdonkey on Aug 06, 2022, 06:23:54 AMDakota Beavers has a badass screen debut. I like the relationship between him and Amber Midthunder. Other people have said they thought his throwback line was groan inducing but I thought it was the moment that started one of the best sequences in the movie.
I really enjoyed Beavers' performance and their relationship and interactions, as well. And the fact he had some respect for Naru's skills when others didn't. It was nice to see the caring sibling dynamic rather than a contentious or overly competitive one.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 05, 2022, 08:44:42 PMI actually thought she would have had the lion if she hadn't been distracted by predator tech going off in the distance.
She was just smart with the bear, she lost her advantage when the bow string snapped. Arnold would have had to run too lol.
And Tabe tells her she almost got it. That her plan was working, and the wounds she'd already done to it were how he took it down. Which is why she repeats the plan at the end...
As much as I think they nerfed Feral at the end she available deserved a victory against it. I just wish it relied less on a physical fight and more her wits vs its brutish stubbornness.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 05, 2022, 10:55:56 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 05, 2022, 10:49:49 PMNaru mentions that she thinks she saw a "mudoki" or something from their myths.
Is that supposed to be another Predator from the past?
It's a word for "monster" I believe. Not referencing other Predators.
It's only a minor quibble based on my hopes - which Jane kind of made seem likely - but I do wish they'd have leaned into the folklore angle a lot more.
I can totally see passed the complaint of the ending with his projectiles
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I'm not sure many could think clearly when dealing with that. He's pissed. He's confused. He's quite clearly got his shit rocked. His ego got the best of him, like many of the other Predators in the previous films.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2022, 06:44:29 AMQuote from: Marc505 on Aug 05, 2022, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:52:20 PMYeah, I was actually really surprised by it. I was expecting the swamp to factor into her camouflage, but when I realised how it was going to go down I thought it was a great way to make sure of her skills.
I remember you saying after your first viewing that you enjoyed it but there was one glaring thing you really didn't rate that might be controversial (not exactly that, but along those lines)
What was the thing? Apologies if I've missed it or if it's coming in a podcast review!
No, I really liked the flower angle. I didn't get to look into it until after the movie, but I knew it'd have some exaggerated basis in reality like the mud and I thought it was a really smart way to play into her skills and knowledge we'd seen in the movie.
It was all the stuff with Feral forgetting the auto-targetting that I disliked.
Yeah, Feral really did come across as quite numb by that point. Very contrived to wind up exactly where he did, too.
I do like the theories above about it being Feral's first hunt and learning about his weaponry mirroring the experience of Naru, that's how I'll conveniently rationalise it!
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 12:40:46 AMAlso, the only time Feral "didn't know how his gear worked" was when he was firing darts in a panic after being hit in the back by his own weapon, and it's worth noting that EVERY time he fired it at Tabee, Tabee had to dodge the arrow because it was still going straight for him, he wasn't missing simply due to being "dumb", he was missing because he wasn't used to it and his target was dodging while moving.
Yeah, I picked this up too on my second viewing. There is some forward trajectory to the arrows before they start to auto-target and follow the laser.
In the scene where Predator is observing the wolf and a rabbit, he has some letters popping up on his display, different words for wolf and the rabbit.
I thought the words represented "predator" for wolf and "prey" for rabbit, so when he sees Naru swimming away and some words appear on his display, I thought it's the same word, meaning Naru is labeled prey and therefore not interesting.
Turns out it's another word entirely, but I think this would have been cool.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 02:44:03 AMNot sure if anyone's mentioned it, there are a lot of pages to this thread, but A+ Wilhelm Scream use.
Ahaha, had to rewind that moment to make sure it wasn't my imagination
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 02:45:06 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 02:44:03 AMNot sure if anyone's mentioned it, there are a lot of pages to this thread, but A+ Wilhelm Scream use.
The only thing goofier was the opening titles :laugh:
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I'd argue moment when a Frenchman shoots point blank in Feral's mask and it ricochets right into his f**king face takes the crown in that aspect
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I'd argue moment when a Frenchman shoots point blank in Feral's mask and it ricochets right into his f**king face is even more so
Did it? I thought he out-dueled him
That's what happened. And it was awesome. Loved it.
For anyone that missed it. Press PREY in Disney+ - Press EXTRA - Voila! PREY (Comanche version)...
But it's sadly dubbed - so the actors look a little funny.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 01:35:54 AMQuote from: Prez on Aug 06, 2022, 01:24:59 AMI really love the different take to this Predator. Why do all Predators have to be the same? ... I mean look at us humans. We have so much diversity in all manner of our aspects in the way we look, interact and go about our business. And this doesn't feel like too much of a stretch to have me going `Oh they really messed with the Predator'. I like the fact Dan had something a little different but also familiar with this Predator.
For me it's not about being exactly the same, it's about change and continuity. Change some things but maintain others to tie it all together to express individuality- the same way the first two predators look and act different but are still clearly the same organism.
I personally think Feral dropped too many things at once and lost the glue that tied it back to the others.
But I'm also going to let it sit and come back to it later.
Totally appreciate your view mate. I didn't find the differences too much but like you I'm also going to let it sit and rewatch it again. I think sometimes the hype can warp expectations (which is natural) for better or worse - I think my second viewing will give me a far better opinion - I will say there was a vibe that was a bit different to this film than what I was initially expecting (not bad but I felt the same when watching The Force Awakens).
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So those end credits cave (?) illustrations... it clearly shows more Predator ships returning...
Hi. I ve seen Prey yesterday evening. Not bad. Not good Some people said ; best predator movie since the original 1987 Come on. Seriously. Predator 2 , you remember? It s why I don't like to read any critics. And rotten tomatoes.... (Who invented this stupid expression....) useless. And now that I've seen the movie I can tell it's not great. And I'm a Huge fan
The director made the same mistake that the one before And many more Like the music. A little bite of Silvestry predator theme would have been great and respectful. Just a little bite The actress is not incredible like I read in some news papers. The dog is very good. And what about the cgi on the bear..... but one the the mistake is the title of the movie. Why they didn't call it Naru or Naru whit her dog or Naru in the forest or Naru and the Comanche ...? Where is the predator in this movie ? How many seconds ( not minutes ) we can see his face ? It is a predator movie or not ? What's the name of the movie ? How many seconds you see the face without this stupid mask 2... 3..... 4.... No more Come on Mr trachenberg it's a predator movie. What do you expect to see in a predator movie ???? A predator. And the biggest mistake of the movie. The same Shane black made in the crappy movie he tried to make few years ago. The final fight. In the night. In the dark almost pitch black some time Almost impossible to see fast ( too fast ) fight. Why ? Why to make the same mistakes again and again. It was super dark. It ruined everything I suppose we will have to wait few more years to really see a predator in a movie( I hope so ) cause I don't really think this one will really save the franchise Of course it was better that the terrible, horrible, ugly shitty stuff Shane black " made" last time but not great. So mr tratchenberg if you read that , remember, in a predator movie , we would like to see a predator.... And please, if it's possible, in the day light... to be sure to see something. Thank you
Regards to all the real fans
The Silvestri score is in the film in a few spots. When the title card hits and the end credits too, it's very subtle. Think I heard it during the final battle. It's easier to hear now that I've noticed it after a few listens and viewings.
Quote from: Rudiger on Aug 05, 2022, 05:16:08 PMAnd a lead performance so wooden it's no wonder the Predator couldn't spot her among all the trees.
I have seen the movie a few hours ago and i am just going through the pages to catch up before posting my opinion, i think the movie is fine and the usual opposite extremes "This movie is amazing/terrible the best/worst thing ever" are hyperbolic and as usual (and as i suspected right from the start) the truth lies more in the middle.
But i just had to stop and make this long meandering comment just to say that this quote, which i disagree with by the way, was very funny, it made me laugh.
The skull biomask
Could it be a skull of another predator?
looks very similar
I saw it twice already (English and Commanche) and I can barely believe how good this was. This is sure the year for "I didn't know modern movies could feel like this anymore".
Very, very good entry to the series. Second best after P1 for my money.
There's so much to like here that the (very minor) gripes I had/have with it are basically non-existant anyway.
The main gripe I have is the face. Now I actually think it's more in-line with the original concept sketches by SW studio. And I don't actually have an issue with the face per se - more with the division it'll cause because it's super Marmite. I can see an awful lot of "not my Pred" type shit coming from it and that's what my issue is. But you only have to look at how wonderful and varied us humans are for this to be a complete non-issue. It just won't be the case for some, though, sadly.
The other gripe was the callbacks to the original. I don't think it needed them at all. It didn't detract too much from the experience. But I was cringing a little bit at the "if it bleeds" line.
Other than that - what a f**king romp!
The hero's journey played out so, so well in it, I thought; as she transforms from a bumbling, not-as-good-as-she-thinks-she-is wannabe to full on Comanche warrior. As ever in the Pred universe - brains over brawn!
The gore was, and I'm not sure this is the right word, but "tasteful"? Like there was enough to sate the more gore-hungry, but the way it was handled was very good. Enough on-screen but then some out of shot or partially obscured by the fore/backgrounds being out of focus. I thought it was well done.
The cinematography has been touched on by so many - but it's a very beautiful film.
His arsenal was amazing too. Club. Spike. Combi Stick. Spear Gun. Net. Tomohawk. Drone bomb thingies. Wrist blades. The Right hook of doom. Feral was so apt a name.
If P1 is a 10/10 - this is a solid 9/10 for me.
I liked it. Third best for me. I have some gripes against it though. I was surprised at how much CGI low quality bothered me, except for a few times where it looked good.
I liked Feral, but actually I agree with SiL, for me he didn't feel much like a predator at times. You could replace him with another creature and it would mostly work. But I loved the way he kills, the movie delivers in this area.
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Too muche CGI use with Feral. I don't know how to explain it, but sometimes he feels not real at all.
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A bit too much of physical direct confrontation at the end, nothing to do with Naru being a woman, I think by now you know me, I have the same problem with Danny Glover in P2.
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I absolutely loved Feral's weapons, buuut it sometimes felt way too advanced compared to what we see in the future, a bit of a continuity problem here. Same thing with the heat vision.
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I loved how he works his way up in the food chain, I thought it works really well.
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I thought Naru's character worked well, she's believable and the relationship with Taabe is, although not that developed, a good thing in this film. Other natives are clearly cannon fodder though.
Btw that spear gun is kinda dumb weapon. If i shoot arrow and spin laser all over the place after that, will the arrow fly for that laser dots all around in searching of dots? How arrows find this dots anyway. I think they just didnt know what to do with three dots laser which is pred trademark, but without plasma cannon, and they come up with this stupid working spear gun. Better there was a plasma caster which was destroyed in a bear fight, then this stupid speargun that kills stupid predator.
Also some of u saying that hunting few rabbits and stabing trees with an axe is enough to kill 4+ french guys in skorpion style, and jumping on predator's shoulders twice while he is KOed a bear with one punch. And this is not mary sue? =) Sarah Connor and Ripley needs a whole movie and a bit of luck to become strong female character. Naru is only needs to practice on trees that not hit back)))
Nobody said killing 4 rabbits was enough for that.
The entire rest of the film and its buildup was.
She lost against other fighters in her tribe but won against some hired thugs. She's clearly skilled and practices AB's learns. That's not being a Mary Sue.
There are plenty of things to hold against the film, this is just dumb.
And scorpion style? What are you even on about?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 09:51:44 AMNobody said killing 4 rabbits was enough for that.
The entire rest of the film and its buildup was.
She lost against other fighters in her tribe but won against some hired thugs. She's clearly skilled and practices AB's learns. That's not being a Mary Sue.
There are plenty of things to hold against the film, this is just dumb.
I didnt catch this build up. Lets see again.
3:40 - failed deer chase
23:20 - failed leopard hunt (just falling from tree, doing nothing, zero expirience)
33:20 - training on trees :laugh:
33:40 - killing poor rabbits >:( >:(
38:40 - stepping into the mud
42:10 - failed bear chase
47:00 - getting her ass kicked by tribe guy and captured by them.
50:00 - hiding and watching tribe guys killed by pred, doing nothing.
52:00 - running away from pred, leaving a young boy die.
54:40 - getting captured again, now by french men.
59:30 - roped at tree as a bait, chat with bro, doing nothing, watching how pred kills french guys.
01:06:10 - cut ropes, she is smarter then beaver :o
01:07:30 - walks away.
-=break point=-
01:08:13 - kills about 4-5 french guys in skorpion (john wick) style.
Sooooooooo.... where is this development of Naru through the movie??? She did nothing but just sitting captured all the time or running away, falling from the trees, chasing rabbits.
How is she become ultimate 5 men killer at this scene?
And at the end of the movie where she kicks predator's ass. Exactly KIKCS his ass, jumping on him 2 times, sliding between his legs and balls, kicking his ass all over the place.
Man, Sarah Connor afraid of terminator, and win by luck.
Ripley shit her beauty white pants when she was all alone with alien and kicked him in space by the luck again.
Our Mary Sue doesnt afraid of pred, kicking his ass like he is her b***ch :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 09:51:44 AMAnd scorpion style? What are you even on about?
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BTW that last predator's falling in mud was like:
We see in the fight against her tribes people she's a good fighter - but so are they.
The trappers are not fighters so she had the upper hand.
The training shows her getting faster with throwing and withdrawing the weapon, and we see her aim getting better throughout the early parts of the movie.
You keep ignoring all of this because you desperately want to try to prove a point.
Yeah, I'm with SiL - I think you're chatting bull.
But to each their own.
Well, I respect your opinion, but I think masterpiece is too strong here. And I liked the movie too, but you know, it's too early to use those words IMHO.
I do think the way she disposed of the trappers and fought Feral felt a bit too easy for me. Not to the extent of the John Wick/Scorpion comments though. Naru is a skilled fighter, the movie makes this point quite clear.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 10:39:48 AMThe trappers are not fighters so she had the upper hand.
Ok, i see you. Trappers are not fighters, predator is not predator. 8)
Why is that a problem that trappers are not fighters ?
Oh and for all who yelled woke this woke that, I didn't feel that at all in the movie.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 06, 2022, 11:02:26 AMI do think the way she disposed of the trappers and fought Feral felt a bit too easy for me. Not to the extent of the John Wick/Scorpion comments though. Naru is a skilled fighter, the movie makes this point quite clear.
My problem was more how she didn't hesitate to murder people but has been hesitating to make her first predator (not Predator) kill all movie.
Like show the moment she crosses the line.
Something that really struck me here, not even attempting to characterise much beyond Naru and Taabe, most ended up more faceless than half the cast of Alien³ but like that entry it works for me because... our central characters even when we are ahead of them for half the film, even though our central character suspects what's happening nearly immediately, just works because the performances are so great.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 11:11:02 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 06, 2022, 11:02:26 AMI do think the way she disposed of the trappers and fought Feral felt a bit too easy for me. Not to the extent of the John Wick/Scorpion comments though. Naru is a skilled fighter, the movie makes this point quite clear.
My problem was more how she didn't hesitate to murder people but has been hesitating to make her first predator (not Predator) kill all movie.
Like show the moment she crosses the line.
Yeah I totally agree on this.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 06, 2022, 11:12:44 AMSomething that really struck me here, not even attempting to characterise much beyond Naru and Taabe, most ended up more faceless than half the cast of Alien³ but like that entry it works for me because... our central characters even when we are ahead of them for half the film, even though our central character suspects what's happening nearly immediately, just works because the performances are so great.
Yeah other natives were basically cannon fodder. But Taabe and Naru worked well. Again, to those who feared this movie would be all for women glory and undermining men, did you see how Taabe fought in this movie ? He was skilled, strong and brave as f**k !
The biggest difference between here and A3 is the characters are doing things aside from wonder about things the audience knows about while they get up to speed.
We have the whole dynamic of Naru and her brother and her tribe pushing the story in the first act.
In A3 we have Ripley trying to find out about the crash (which we know about) and whether there's an Alien (which we know about) while also trying to convince everyone of the Alien (which we know about).
But damn the acting in A3 makes all of the characters shine. That was a bit lacking here.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 11:11:02 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 06, 2022, 11:02:26 AMI do think the way she disposed of the trappers and fought Feral felt a bit too easy for me. Not to the extent of the John Wick/Scorpion comments though. Naru is a skilled fighter, the movie makes this point quite clear.
My problem was more how she didn't hesitate to murder people but has been hesitating to make her first predator (not Predator) kill all movie.
Like show the moment she crosses the line.
I figured she'd witnessed so much human carnage at that point that it was just her survival instincts kicking in. Blood was in the air, so to speak.
I kind of passed it off as the old trope about how movies consider killing humans much more acceptable than killing animals.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 11:22:19 AMI kind of passed it off as the old trope about how movies consider killing humans much more acceptable than killing animals.
That's also true. Everyone tensed up in the theater whenever the dog was threatened.
Although I'm more of a cat person,
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I would have disliked it quite much if the dog died.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 06, 2022, 11:27:40 AMAlthough I'm more of a cat person, Spoiler
I would have disliked it quite much if the dog died.
That dog was amazing.
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He distracted a bear, brought Naru her the weapon in the middle of a fight and survived to wag his tail another day.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2022, 11:20:38 AMThe biggest difference between here and A3 is the characters are doing things aside from wonder about things the audience knows about while they get up to speed.
We have the whole dynamic of Naru and her brother and her tribe pushing the story in the first act.
In A3 we have Ripley trying to find out about the crash (which we know about) and whether there's an Alien (which we know about) while also trying to convince everyone of the Alien (which we know about).
But damn the acting in A3 makes all of the characters shine. That was a bit lacking here.
I mean, we are also waiting for the characters in Prey to get up to speed with us, it really surprised me how early and how much they show the Predator here.
We watch Naru do pretty much the same things you listed there with Ripley, and personally I think mourning Hicks and Newt then getting introduced to the dynamics between the (Dillon, Morse, Junior, Postlewaite) prisoners and (Andrews, Aaron) staff makes up for that in my opinion, and Ripley and Clemens in particular, plus Golic set up for later.
That's a whole lot more meat to chew on than Prey gives us for my money, but luckily Amber Midthunder's so good to watch that the fact the first act more offers purely visual (parallels with "Prey" and the "Predator") storytelling than much characterisation, beyond her and her brother does not bother me tons.
I'm really eager to watch it again soon.
I have a question:
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Did Naru cut off that poor Frenchman's leg ?
I'm probably the only one here that LIKED the face. I loved how animated this thing's mandibles were even with the mask on. This is the true monster design of the franchise and I think it worked.
Good movie. So much to write about. Beautiful score. I love the brutal nature of the monster. I absolutely loved how they made the tech seem futuristic but still more primitive than the original movies. Just solid thinking there.
My one complaint is that the movie could have breathed a little more once the action picks up. It's just bam bam bam once the Predator shows up. Those quiet little contemplative moments in the original two movies really helped the pace and added intrigue. This is why imo Prey is the third best movie behind Predator and Predator 2. It comes down to pacing and editing. That's how damn good this thing is.
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I would've applauded that actually. Not this time, I guess
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 06, 2022, 11:54:08 AMI'm probably the only one here that LIKED the face. I loved how animated this thing's mandibles were even with the mask on. This is the true monster design of the franchise and I think it worked.
I don't hate it, it's just so DIFFERENT I need some getting used to first
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2022, 11:53:54 AMI have a question:
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Did Naru cut off that poor Frenchman's leg ?
Yes.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2022, 11:53:54 AMI have a question:
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Did Naru cut off that poor Frenchman's leg ?
Sure it isn't
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Feral's work off-screen ?
IIRC he stumbles upon it later
Wow, this movie was
tight. Didn't overstay its welcome, solid characters and performances, very interesting premise, great cinematography, BRUTAL kills, evocative creature aesthetic, fantastic sound design. My only complaint is that
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the final confrontation is a bit short. Naru doesn't have to improvise, the Predator just walks right into her trap and her plan is executed perfectly. I like it when things don't go entirely according to plan and the hero has to wrestle victory from the jaws of defeat by the skin of their teeth. Naru's victory felt too easy, it cheapened the power of the Predator a little.
Either way, still a solid 7 out of 10. I had a good time and I'd very much enjoy it if they keep making Predator movies like this.
Really dissapointed there were no
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I couldnt make much of Feral face since we dont see too much but i did pause the first time he was unmasked so i could observe him for a good 5 minutes and...
...yeah... im getting use to his face i guess, im not too shocked, its more like a couldnt make much sense about his face during my first viewing.
The face is growing on me too.
It doesn't much gel with what we've seen before, but taken as it's own thing I find it pleasingly creepy.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2022, 12:25:05 PMReally dissapointed there were no
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Did you not stay until after the credits? They showed....
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....a tribe of Sasquatches spying on Naru's camp, with one of them saying "Now, dear friends, just when they think the danger has passed, we shall show them who the TRUE predators are!" via squatchtitles.
I need to let this settle, but after my first watch I liked it, but it was also a bit mediocre in some aspects.
Right from the moment the PNG image of the "PREY" title screen slides onto the screen (made me laugh a bit, honestly) I felt a bit uneasy about what was to come.
Fortunately, though, I was impressed with Naru. I thought she'd be generic, but I was totally on her side and thought her character was well done. Would've liked to have seen more between her and her brother, honestly. More emphasis could have improved a lot of key moments, I think.
Less impressive was the Predator himself. Sure, he's got some cool toys and is entertaining, but he feels like a big oaf. Also, missing from him is tension and more dramatic buildup to some of his kills. He tends to just loiter around a lot at the start and then just slasher kills his way through victims. Kinda boring. I do like this Predator, don't get me wrong, but I think he needed better direction/depiction. But that's just me.
The editing was a bit haphazard in this film too, but it's nothing dire.
For me this film is along side Predators, but saying that, I think Naru's character has a lot more potential and is the best thing to come out in a long time.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2022, 06:59:38 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 06, 2022, 12:40:46 AMAlso, the only time Feral "didn't know how his gear worked" was when he was firing darts in a panic after being hit in the back by his own weapon, and it's worth noting that EVERY time he fired it at Tabee, Tabee had to dodge the arrow because it was still going straight for him, he wasn't missing simply due to being "dumb", he was missing because he wasn't used to it and his target was dodging while moving.
Yeah, I picked this up too on my second viewing. There is some forward trajectory to the arrows before they start to auto-target and follow the laser.
Yes! I watched again last night and I did notice that the arrows shot straight for a while before being controlled by the mask. Upon 2nd viewing I don't think he forgets how the speargun works. Perhaps Feral knows exactly how it works but he's overconfident and assumes he will hit taabe before the auto tracking kicks in. Feral realizes he can't and picks the biohelmet up for the auto track.
The ending I'm okay with. I mean he was shot in the head. I'd ask anyone to try and critical think with a bullet in their brain. I would have liked to see more of an impact on Feral's movements after the shot but I can live it.
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Is anyone else relieved that there was no Predator/Human team up? I'm over that. The alliances make the predator so much less mysterious.
The arrows are clearly shown to have a ton of forward momentum when they're fired, and only after they've already travelled a certain distance in a straight line do they start homing in on where the dots are pointed. If that wasn't the case, the arrows would fly towards the dots the second he fired them.
It's just like you said, the times he fires them without the tracking he's obviously expecting them to stop because they were lodged in his targets long before they get to the part where they start auto-tracking. Which was honestly one of my small gripes.....
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....with the ending. I guess we're just meant to chalk it up to head trauma that he missed a stationary target from such close range? Naru didn't look like she made any attempt to dodge the bolt before it started homing back round.
It seems like Feral's just a crap shot in general without his mask on (see Sarii as well).
Quote from: D88M on Aug 06, 2022, 08:10:24 AMQuote from: Rudiger on Aug 05, 2022, 05:16:08 PMAnd a lead performance so wooden it's no wonder the Predator couldn't spot her among all the trees.
I have seen the movie a few hours ago and i am just going through the pages to catch up before posting my opinion, i think the movie is fine and the usual opposite extremes "This movie is amazing/terrible the best/worst thing ever" are hyperbolic and as usual (and as i suspected right from the start) the truth lies more in the middle.
But i just had to stop and make this long meandering comment just to say that this quote, which i disagree with by the way, was very funny, it made me laugh.
Thanks buddy. I just couldn't help myself.
I enjoyed the movie a lot. I hope other directors take note and give us the fans what we need!
Kailem is exactly right. I dont know why it's so hard to understand how the bolt gun works when it's clearly shown in the movie.
I enjoyed it.
Visually it was pretty good, though some of the early Predator vs animal shots could have used a bit more work.
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My only gripe is that the main character, Naru, was pretty much why everyone who mattered died.
Her running off without telling anyone is the only reason any of her tribe is killed. Up until then, the Predator is minding its' own business.
You can say that it may have come after them eventually, but we never get to see that.
Instead we see a narcissist get her brother, the most likeable character in the movie, and his group of stick in the butt hunters killed and she is heiled as a hero in the end for it.
Just doesn't sit right with me.
It was great as a movie, I loved the creativity. It was interesting seeing Naru use the Predator's own weapon against it in the end... Just the morality of everything is a bit orange for me.
If Naru's motivations were more fleshed out, if there were some repercussions for the damage she causes to her tribe, it would be a 9/10 for me. As it stands, I'd say 7/10.
Great, but just shy of perfection, and that's okay too.
i really liked it. cant wait to get a feral predator neca figure, and i hope they release this on bluray
I liked it a lot, overall. Shot really well and there was certainly plenty of action. I have gripes, nit picks and head scratching moments, right now I rank it below Predator 2 and Predators, which I enjoy a lot. I need to watch it again, for sure.
Feral does come off more animalistic and single minded, both in looks and in his movements. I enjoyed it at first, but honestly about 2/3 through the movie I was really missing that more calculating and observant nature we've seen in other predators. He felt kind of flat footed and very brute-ish. I think it worked okay for this film but it was a little more one note than I would have liked.
Planning to watch it again with the Comanche dub soon. Overall I think it was a pleasantly solid installment.
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Is anyone else relieved that there was no Predator/Human team up? I'm over that. The alliances make the predator so much less mysterious.
They're saving that for the sequel.
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Naru and Greyback will team up to take on the Sasquatch, and she'll give the gun to him with her dying breath because he's done so well...
So I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 06, 2022, 05:46:49 PMSo I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
You definitely could. I took that to be the film's way of showing a more antiquated version of the cloaking tech.
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 06, 2022, 05:34:38 PMQuote from: GreybackElder on Aug 06, 2022, 02:30:25 PMSpoiler
Is anyone else relieved that there was no Predator/Human team up? I'm over that. The alliances make the predator so much less mysterious.
They're saving that for the sequel. Spoiler
Naru and Greyback will team up to take on the Sasquatch, and she'll give the gun to him with her dying breath because he's done so well...
I mean if there as sasquatches count me in.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 05:48:28 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Aug 06, 2022, 05:46:49 PMSo I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
You definitely could. I took that to be the film's way of showing a more antiquated version of the cloaking tech.
Yeah I agree. It also did seem to flicker and fluctuate when Feral was attacked.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 05:48:28 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Aug 06, 2022, 05:46:49 PMSo I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
You definitely could. I took that to be the film's way of showing a more antiquated version of the cloaking tech.
Same. Not only did it give off a red shimmer rather than blue, it seemed like it was broken up a lot by physical contact with the environment, like when the ash in the "trap" scene totally broke it apart (even if it seemed slightly more reliable in the water than the modern versions we've seen).
I thought it was a cool way of letting on that it was a different, earlier version of the cloak without having to do any clunky exposition or have a lam cop-out excuse of "they haven't invented cloaking tech yet."
Quote from: overthere on Aug 06, 2022, 07:22:03 AMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2022, 07:16:02 AMSpoiler
I'd argue moment when a Frenchman shoots point blank in Feral's mask and it ricochets right into his f**king face is even more so
Did it? I thought he out-dueled him
Rewatched that scene
Spoiler
Yeah, it was definitely a ricochet. LMAO
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 06, 2022, 12:09:18 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2022, 11:53:54 AMI have a question:
Spoiler
Did Naru cut off that poor Frenchman's leg ?
Sure it isn't Spoiler
Feral's work off-screen ?
Rewatched that scene too:
Spoiler
It's a far away shot so it's kinda hard to tell but looks like he had both legs before Naru knocked him unconscious. Also, she looks at that Predator cutting thing right before doing it
It's a good movie, but it has some problems.
They exaggerated Naru's strength. That scene at the camp where she goes around beating up everyone is hard to accept. She's a rookie warrior, how can she take down 5 guys like John Wick? The Predator also has problems, I like the look of him, but he takes too much damage, all the time, and even runs away from the direct conflict with Naru's brother. I didn't like the final conflict, once again Naru being overly powerful and the Predator suffering more than necessary. It's a better movie than Predators, but it lags far behind the 1987 original.
I'm still digesting the movie but I thought it was a really good entry for the franchise. It was a much needed breathe of life to keep the series relevant and to hopefully see more future installments come with this quality of story and character.
Prey is easily better than The Predator and Predators. I still have my reserves of it being a better sequel over Predator 2 though. Maybe it's nostalgia that P2 holds but I also think City Hunter was just a cooler Predator in general.
I also wouldn't say it's better than the first film, as I've seen some reviews mention.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 05:48:28 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Aug 06, 2022, 05:46:49 PMSo I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
You definitely could. I took that to be the film's way of showing a more antiquated version of the cloaking tech.
Yeah, I really liked the film's cloaking effect! Loved the translucent effect to it. Was a really nice way to show it wasn't quite as good as the modern stuff.
That's how I feel about the movie. It's much better directed than the latest installments - the quality of the film is better, at least in terms of cinematography. CGI was spotty in spots. But I thought the Pred head design shouldn't have been changed, and everything after the fight with the Frenchmen in the forest was not good. Naru turns into something she's not the whole movie at the camp - the Pred feeling the need to run from her brother felt forced...and the end fight was pretty cringy, as well as the final scene.
Just a thought I had while rewatching the film:
With what little glimpses we see of the predator ship at the beginning of the film; it seems that it's more reminiscent of the ship from predators. Although I thought It was interesting that the Comanche interpretation of the ship looks more akin to the original ship!
Quote from: GreybackElder on Aug 06, 2022, 08:57:33 PMJust a thought I had while rewatching the film:
With what little glimpses we see of the predator ship at the beginning of the film; it seems that it's more reminiscent of the ship from predators. Although I thought It was interesting that the Comanche interpretation of the ship looks more akin to the original ship!
Regarding the ship, I didn't mind its standard, bare look too much 'cause it was really only on screen for a few seconds, but I would have loved to have seen the hull of it all greebled up
Mad Max style with a bunch of rusty, mechanical odds and ends from the Predator homeworld and splashes of war paint; I feel like that really would have fit Feral's attitude.
I just finished watching it.Overall I liked it, a nice breath of fresh air for the franchise after the awful Avp2 and Predator:Upgrade movies. Not sure where I place it in my ranking though, probably a very solid 3, but I haven't watched "Predators" for a good while (but I liked it back then). But it's definitely a good movie which non franchise fans can watch and enjoy too.
What I liked:
* I really liked the soundtrack, it's great!
* The cast was overall good, especially the main cast.
* I also liked the Predator here.
* The overall story / setting.
* The (seemingly) one shot fight with Naru and the Trappers.
What I thought was a bit odd:
* While I liked the overall story/setting, the some little things in the third act felt a bit off to me. Have to rewatch it sometimes in the future to get the full grasp.
But for example how he doesn't know how his own aim assistance works (or maybe I missed it), so the ending felt very underwhelming for me.How another Predator should felt motivated to get that gun for Harrigan now in Pred2 now (wasn't there originally another background for that?). To not end on a grumpy not, I liked how they subvert our expectation about the swamp, because I guess a lot of us thought this is a setup for the end.
Not really an issue about the film but with my new tv it seems:
* Weirdly some shots looked like they were raw footage.without any post-processing/color grading done, like a 90s soap opera. However this seems to be an issue from my new 2000€ tv cause it looks fine on the computer. Give me another reason to rewatch and finetune my tv.
Second best Predator film...first half was very aimless though. Predators weapons were a mix of advanced and primitive (for plot armor)...95 percent of cinematography was great...camera shots were great...
It was what I expected, a female right of passge movie in a male dominated society with evil white men and a predator thrown in. Thats the times we live in.
Not bad but not good. It entertained me well enough though. I thought the cgi wasn't great.
I need some awesome hi rez still of unmasked Feral.
Since Jungle Hunter is 400 years more advanced, this movie is actually paying hommage to Stan Winston's design by basically saying this is the less developed version.
If you watch the movies in chronological order, Jungle Hunter is the next stage.
On second viewing of the movie though, I am no longer liking it that much.
This is basically Michael Myers/Jason kind of villain.
Quote from: Rush Hour Rambo on Aug 06, 2022, 10:08:48 PMIt was what I expected, a female right of passge movie in a male dominated society with evil white men and a predator thrown in. Thats the times we live in.
Not bad but not good. It entertained me well enough though. I thought the cgi wasn't great.
It wasn't a female right of passage, just a human right of passage. Replace Naru with a young male and you can have the exact same movie. It's not that she's a woman that have people in her tribe telling her she can't hunt.
I thought it was a very good movie, I really enjoyed it. Still somewhat processing everything, but as of right now, I would personally place it about even with Predator 2 as my second favorite of the franchise.
I would still like to watch it a second time, maybe even watch the Comanche dub version, to fully form my opinion of the movie.
I enjoyed this more then any new star wars stuff on Disney+ but I think the next movie could be even better. So many stories throughout time and space.
Better than both AvP films and The Predator combined.
Feral needed more head tilts and crouching in his movements.
I thought this was great. Dan Trachtenberg is going to get a huge first look deal from Disney to start a franchise.
Liked it a lot but didn't love it, although saying that it's probably the best Predator movie since the original just about.
Really enjoyed everything visually - the cinematography, atmosphere, editing was all on point. Thought the primitive design of the Pred's face/helmet/weaponry was really well done, can't fault it . Liked the inclusion of the French voyageurs, very Revenant. It's a well made movie.
On the other hand, I found it too short, it needed another half an hour, and the finale leaned too heavily on the original movie's final confrontation.
One problem for me was that I didn't think the Pred was too much of a challenge for Naru, she never really felt in much danger and always seemed to find the upper hand quite quickly. Also thought the Pred was introduced and shown too quickly, I'd have liked a slower and more subtle build up and some quieter/more tense scenes, once things got going it went all in on the action.
A worthy addition to the franchise that does things very well.
8/10
Anyone know the viewing figures on Hulu (or Disney+ internationally) for the premiere of Prey? I am hoping the good reviews will translate into high viewership (and that is of course very important to whether we get further sequels or not). But without any release of data or announcement from Disney, we are all left guessing whether the strong positive reviews correated with a large audience watching Prey.
Second screening and I like it even more!
This was way better than I expected, but I had really low expectations. With that said, anyone saying this was great is being a little dishonest with themselves. Way to many "fantasy" moments.
The 1st and 2nd act were good, the 3rd act was The Predator and AVP level bad.
Pros:
The pred was badass (not the face).
Naru's brother was a great character.
Pred weapons show tech progression.
Switching to a setting in the past was a great idea, they just got it wrong with indians. (could they explore Vietnam era...... Vietnam/Cambodia? are predators not drawn to war?)
CGI was good when the pred was cloaked.
Bad:
CGI was really bad at times.
Naru's rope-hatchet weapon was completely unbelievable.
Naru's development was unbelievable. Literally lol'd when she killed the white men (the wife stopped watching at this point).
The pred would have killed her when he had his hands on her at the end. The combat between the 2 wasn't remotely believable.
What plant lowers the body temperature to outdoor temperature (75-85F??) and allows someone to still mentally function? Pure fantasy. Also, not much logic in how she realized the pred hunts via temp.
Naru was able to pull the pred into the bog but the pred couldn't pull her towards him?
Too much change to pred face.
There's a lot more issues, but the point is there is a lot to overlook here. All movies have things that just need to be accepted, but in prey they were around every corner. IMO 4th best movie in franchise.
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Not as bad as shane black's abomination, but not good. I'll desensitize myself by watching Predator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2022, 08:16:35 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2022, 05:48:28 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Aug 06, 2022, 05:46:49 PMSo I have a minor nitpick, but did Feral's cloak look odd to anyone else? It also seemed liked you could see Feral through the cloak more often than in the other movies.
You definitely could. I took that to be the film's way of showing a more antiquated version of the cloaking tech.
Yeah, I really liked the film's cloaking effect! Loved the translucent effect to it. Was a really nice way to show it wasn't quite as good as the modern stuff.
I just wished that water actually lessened the effect of the cloaking, even quickly decloaking Feral, as it unintentionally made the cloaking more advanced then what JH and CH has if he was able to hunt and fight in the water without it getting disabled.
I didn't get that. They copied the dust affecting it like in P2, but not the water - which has been the single most consistent thing down to screw their cloak in the films.
This has the best action from a Predator film, hands down. The Pred is absolutely brutal. I love how he sustains damage over the course of the film and by the time he's near the end of the film he's damaged but still fighting on. One of the best things to come out of the franchise since Predator 2. We need this same creative team to stay on board and make the next film a theatrical release.
For me personnaly, this is the direction they (fox) should have took after PREDATOR 2.
I had some minor grips with some cgi effect but nothing shocking enough to ruin my enjoyement ot PREY.
HELL!!! I like it better than Predator 2 i dare to say.
This is going to be a must have on bluray for me!
Kind of hated it the first time around but it grew on me a lot after a second viewing. Beautifully shot and scored. So thankful Dan went with a different breed of Predator instead of trying to force super-Predators into it like the last two films did. However, I think Prey desperately needs an extended cut. Another 10-15 minutes exploring Naru's motivations beyond "because you all think I can't" would go a long way for me. I like these characters but I want to know more about them. Also a second pass over the cheaper CGI sequences would be great.
Anyway, regarding Predator 2's ship scenes -
Spoiler
does the credits sequence of Prey mean the first skull and spinal cord (to the right of King Willie's skull) is Naru's? It's already there when City Hunter mounts Willie's skull and I'm assuming the one on the left is Jerry's.
I didn't like this movie.
It's by no means a bad movie, it's actually quite pretty and the plot is fairly engaging, has plenty of nice visual touches, and cool moments (i.e. a bear fighting an extraterrestrial). It was competently made and reasonably well acted, and I enjoyed myself watching it...
But over the following days I realised... I didn't like it.
Why?
Because at no point did it feel like it contained a Predator.In fact, had this movie, or rather, it's choices, been made in 1987 - I don't think the Predator would have made his mark on popular culture. I think he would have faded into obscurity, never to facedown his acid-blooded Nostromo haunting arch-nemesis.
A lot of this comes down to the characterisation of its villain. This is something Predator movies have consistently f**ked up since the first movie. Ignoring "The Predator", which isn't worth mentioning, each Predator movie has made the same error in characterisation.
The error is this:
The Predator is not a monster, he is a character with traits beyond his physical appearance and technology that distinguish him from other villains in popular culture.
These traits exist almost entirely within his behaviour and the choices he makes as a character. Therefore, when you change these traits you change the character - and leave the audience no longer watching the character that distinguished itself as memorable and interesting in the first place.
This is why films might have a villain that looks like a Predator. It might even sound like a Predator. But at all times it won't feel like a Predator.
To clarify this point, let's look at the characterisation in the first movie as it is revealed to the audience, and what we learn from said characterisation.
Spoiler
- It travels through space and gets dropped off on another planet. (It is highly intelligent and capable of using advanced technology. You could also infer that it is quite fearless).
- This creature slaughtered Jim Hopper's entire spec ops team without them knowing what they were shooting at. (It is stealthy, and incredibly competent at violence. More than a team of Green Berets. It is also fearless enough to engage Green Berets in combat).
- It can make bodies disappear without a trace. (It is incredibly stealthy and has an inclination towards stealth).
- It butchers and displays what it kills, or vanishes its other kills. (Butchers people. Displays some of its violence openly).
- It stalks from the trees, silently observing Dutch's team. (It is stealthy, observational, and patient - even though it potentially could kill them all at once, as it did to Hopper, it chooses not to and instead follows them. It prefers to travel above its prey as opposed to the same level as it).
- It mimic's human dialogue almost perfectly, demonstrates some understanding of its meaning. (It is intelligent and inquisitive. Understanding of laughter and comments demonstrated later)
- When Hawkins separates from the team, it kills him the first opportunity it gets, leaving Anna unharmed. (It is opportunistic, can strike swiftly, doesn't harm women - established why later).
- Remains hidden. It guys Hawkins and strings him up. (Stealthy. The trees are again where it prefers to be, and are its "domain" as symbolised by it dragging Hawkins body up there to "it's world." Note: this is a HUGE trait as it demonstrates the Predator's power of the world the heroes are trapped in. They clatter around in the jungle, while he lurks above them, dominating his surrounding and filling US the viewer with a sense that the heroes have wandered into a "haunted forest" dominated by one very dangerous "ghost").
- Remains hidden. When Blain separates from the team, it stuns and kills him with a ranged weapon. (Opportunistic. Also likes to attack from ranged safety. Stealthy).
- It somewhat reveals itself to Mac and taunts him. Still largely hidden. (It is sadistic, malicious, and understands the effect its actions are having on others).
- Its actions get itself shot, it then heals itself. (It's ego can get the better of it, but it's intelligent and competent enough to heal complex wounds).
- Comes back for Blain's body, dodges the trip wires. (Considers its kills its possessions, has some kind of relationship to the kills it makes (i.e. Pride), and is highly competent at avoiding capture. Stealthy.)
- Implied by Anna's story that this creature's species has been visiting Earth for some kind and killing people for trophies. (It has a relationship with mankind that is hostile and based on killing for sport).
- It gets within 1m of Dutch, without being detected, without triggering a trap, in front of multiple armed men staring directly at it. (Incredibly stealthy - amazingly so, open to taking incredibly dangerous and daring risks - egotistical).
- When trapped and loses the upper hand, immediately regains the upper hand, injuring one opponent - Poncho - and escaping the trap. (Finds natural traps harder to see, highly competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Briefly reveals itself to the team after they caught it. (Likes to taunt and/or respects them - has a mental relationship to its prey as well as physical one)
- Recognises it's being tracked and ambushed. Gets the jump on and dispatches Mac. (Intelligent, competent, ruthless. Stealthy).
- Doesn't hunt unarmed people. No sport. (Movie clearly states what its goal is - kill for sport, or rather, pleasure. Has made the previous and following decisions based on this pleasure principle. It takes into account other factors, such as survival, but its primary motivation is doing things it finds pleasurable, in this case, hunting competent prey)
- Taunts Dillon with his dead teammates's voice, referencing their previous encounter, disarms, and butchers him. (Sadistic, intelligent, incredibly violent and competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Dispatches Billy effortlessly, sneaks up on the team, kills Poncho effortlessly, and destroys Dutches weapon (competent, competent, competent, stealthy, focused and relentless in pursuit of its goal)
- Corners Dutch by the waterfall, loses track of him due to its vision. (Competent, relentless, focused, vulnerable)
- Takes skulls, cleans them, worships them. (Takes ownership of its victims as prizes, no respect for human life, brutal, views its victims as its possessions).
- Takes care of its gear - or whatever the f**k the wrist blade glowing is. Accepts an open challenge from its prey. (Conscientious, brave).
- Sneaks into Dutch's arena, when cornered opens fire until it gets a track on its invisible prey. In a cat mouse battle where IT CAN'T SEE its opponent, manages to lure it into a cave, corner it, and when it escapes, trick shot a shoulder cannon blast off to trap it. Note, it does this with damaged gear, which the movie makes clear. (Highly f**king competent, very capable, more cunning and intelligent than a highly intelligent and cunning soldier, thinks fast even when on the back foot, its power doesn't come from its gear but from its competence and intelligence, mastery of its weaponry).
- Captures Dutch despite being blind to him for most of their fight, but when it can kill him, instead gives him to chance to fight it hand to hand. (Competent, Capable of respect, sadistic, pride)
- Spots a trap it is almost entirely blind to, gets caught by another one through what is largely just bad luck. (Competent)
- When defeated, blows itself away laughing in the voice of its enemy's dead friend. (Sadistic, understands human communication, intelligent).
So you can see how its various choices and actions develop its character in a way that make it unique. It doesn't just kill its prey -
its incredibly stealthy, incredibly patient, has complete mastery over its world, mastery over its weaponry seizes opportunities, kills most of its victims without them having any idea what's after them, very intelligent, more competent than its human prey (even when largely BLIND to its prey and its traps), and incredibly sadistic on an almost personal level.We see this as it kills a handful of people we have come to know, and it does so in a very specific way. The result is a villain that feels incredibly powerful and has a memorable way of undertaking what it chooses to undertake -
that is specific to it as a character. This sense of unique character traits is what makes it such a special villain.
In short:
a Predator is much more than just an alien that hunts for sport. He is a character who behaves a certain way.If you make a movie where a Predator is just an alien that hunts for sport, then the only difference between it and any other slasher villain is its DNA and its job description.
Which brings me to Prey...
While the creature is called a Predator, and even does some Predatory things, and even has a Predatory aesthetic ... He doesn't behave or make choices like a Predator. He just wanders around killing animals and people. Aside from how he looks... What really is he? He's just a generic violent unstoppable movie monster.
No intelligence. No patience. No opportunism. No personal sadism. No competence that distinguishes him above and beyond everyone else's competence. No predilection for stealth.
Just wanders round killing and letting everyone have a look. There is no distinction between his world of the trees where he's master of the forest ... he shares our world and just walks around in it like we do. This Predator has very little that distinguishes his character - he's just a butcher. Which is one of the Predator's traits, but not his whole personality. This guy doesn't even have mastery of his gear, or behave in much of a way that considers its own survival.
A Predator takes risks, and its egotistical. But its not an idiot. It also CHOOSES to stalk its prey as opposed to jumping in and butchering it. This is one of the FIRST decisions that distinguishes it as a villain. The second we see his vision we learn... this guy likes to watch. to take his time. to understand. AKA:
he's smart.And sure, you can tell me in Prey he's a young predator, it's his first hunt, and so on... But this is just a weak excuse for the villain lacking most of the character traits that make his kind memorable and impressive as villains. It's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie but removing his twisted sense of humor and personal philosophy ... He's no longer the Joker he's just a smart guy.
When it comes to Prey's predator you're essentially saying "Yeah but he's not competent and not smart and doesn't do that whole invisible stalker thing!" ... which basically means he doesn't have the character traits that make a Predator interesting, charismatic, and imposing.
OR worse yet, he's just shit. And for a girl power film ... it kind sucks that you've lumped her with the incompetent Predator. Ripley blasted the perfect organism out the airlock ... Why can't Naaru face a hyper competent cunning Predator?
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So yeah, the film is well made, well shot, and entertaining - but commits the same sin every Predator sequel does... it doesn't actually contain a Predator character in any way shape or form. It just has some lad cosplaying as one.
(Incidentally A L I E N faced this same problem after the first movie. Big Chap became a bug. Poor Anytime became Jason Voorhees).That's my two cents. I could say more, but this post is long enough. May God have mercy on your soul for reading it, but thank you if you do. <3
I was really looking forward to seeing how an invisible ghostly force would be regarded by older cultures, but outside of a bit of lip service to some Comanche mythical figures we got Jason X with a cloaking device.
Yeah, it was also my biggest problem with the film that the Predator itself didn't come across like one, but rather came across as a slasher monster. I think its face is the least of its problems. :laugh:
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 07, 2022, 07:38:09 AMI didn't like this movie.
It's by no means a bad movie, it's actually quite pretty and the plot is fairly engaging, has plenty of nice visual touches, and cool moments (i.e. a bear fighting an extraterrestrial). It was competently made and reasonably well acted, and I enjoyed myself watching it...
But over the following days I realised... I didn't like it.
Why?
Because at no point did it feel like it contained a Predator.
In fact, had this movie, or rather, it's choices, been made in 1987 - I don't think the Predator would have made his mark on popular culture. I think he would have faded into obscurity, never to facedown his acid-blooded Nostromo haunting arch-nemesis.
A lot of this comes down to the characterisation of its villain. This is something Predator movies have consistently f**ked up since the first movie. Ignoring "The Predator", which isn't worth mentioning, each Predator movie has made the same error in characterisation.
The error is this:
The Predator is not a monster, he is a character with traits beyond his physical appearance and technology that distinguish him from other villains in popular culture. These traits exist almost entirely within his behaviour and the choices he makes as a character. Therefore, when you change these traits you change the character - and leave the audience no longer watching the character that distinguished itself as memorable and interesting in the first place.
This is why films might have a villain that looks like a Predator. It might even sound like a Predator. But at all times it won't feel like a Predator.
To clarify this point, let's look at the characterisation in the first movie as it is revealed to the audience, and what we learn from said characterisation.
Spoiler
- It travels through space and gets dropped off on another planet. (It is highly intelligent and capable of using advanced technology. You could also infer that it is quite fearless).
- This creature slaughtered Jim Hopper's entire spec ops team without them knowing what they were shooting at. (It is stealthy, and incredibly competent at violence. More than a team of Green Berets. It is also fearless enough to engage Green Berets in combat).
- It can make bodies disappear without a trace. (It is incredibly stealthy and has an inclination towards stealth).
- It butchers and displays what it kills, or vanishes its other kills. (Butchers people. Displays some of its violence openly).
- It stalks from the trees, silently observing Dutch's team. (It is stealthy, observational, and patient - even though it potentially could kill them all at once, as it did to Hopper, it chooses not to and instead follows them. It prefers to travel above its prey as opposed to the same level as it).
- It mimic's human dialogue almost perfectly, demonstrates some understanding of its meaning. (It is intelligent and inquisitive. Understanding of laughter and comments demonstrated later)
- When Hawkins separates from the team, it kills him the first opportunity it gets, leaving Anna unharmed. (It is opportunistic, can strike swiftly, doesn't harm women - established why later).
- Remains hidden. It guys Hawkins and strings him up. (Stealthy. The trees are again where it prefers to be, and are its "domain" as symbolised by it dragging Hawkins body up there to "it's world." Note: this is a HUGE trait as it demonstrates the Predator's power of the world the heroes are trapped in. They clatter around in the jungle, while he lurks above them, dominating his surrounding and filling US the viewer with a sense that the heroes have wandered into a "haunted forest" dominated by one very dangerous "ghost").
- Remains hidden. When Blain separates from the team, it stuns and kills him with a ranged weapon. (Opportunistic. Also likes to attack from ranged safety. Stealthy).
- It somewhat reveals itself to Mac and taunts him. Still largely hidden. (It is sadistic, malicious, and understands the effect its actions are having on others).
- Its actions get itself shot, it then heals itself. (It's ego can get the better of it, but it's intelligent and competent enough to heal complex wounds).
- Comes back for Blain's body, dodges the trip wires. (Considers its kills its possessions, has some kind of relationship to the kills it makes (i.e. Pride), and is highly competent at avoiding capture. Stealthy.)
- Implied by Anna's story that this creature's species has been visiting Earth for some kind and killing people for trophies. (It has a relationship with mankind that is hostile and based on killing for sport).
- It gets within 1m of Dutch, without being detected, without triggering a trap, in front of multiple armed men staring directly at it. (Incredibly stealthy - amazingly so, open to taking incredibly dangerous and daring risks - egotistical).
- When trapped and loses the upper hand, immediately regains the upper hand, injuring one opponent - Poncho - and escaping the trap. (Finds natural traps harder to see, highly competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Briefly reveals itself to the team after they caught it. (Likes to taunt and/or respects them - has a mental relationship to its prey as well as physical one)
- Recognises it's being tracked and ambushed. Gets the jump on and dispatches Mac. (Intelligent, competent, ruthless. Stealthy).
- Doesn't hunt unarmed people. No sport. (Movie clearly states what its goal is - kill for sport, or rather, pleasure. Has made the previous and following decisions based on this pleasure principle. It takes into account other factors, such as survival, but its primary motivation is doing things it finds pleasurable, in this case, hunting competent prey)
- Taunts Dillon with his dead teammates's voice, referencing their previous encounter, disarms, and butchers him. (Sadistic, intelligent, incredibly violent and competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Dispatches Billy effortlessly, sneaks up on the team, kills Poncho effortlessly, and destroys Dutches weapon (competent, competent, competent, stealthy, focused and relentless in pursuit of its goal)
- Corners Dutch by the waterfall, loses track of him due to its vision. (Competent, relentless, focused, vulnerable)
- Takes skulls, cleans them, worships them. (Takes ownership of its victims as prizes, no respect for human life, brutal, views its victims as its possessions).
- Takes care of its gear - or whatever the f**k the wrist blade glowing is. Accepts an open challenge from its prey. (Conscientious, brave).
- Sneaks into Dutch's arena, when cornered opens fire until it gets a track on its invisible prey. In a cat mouse battle where IT CAN'T SEE its opponent, manages to lure it into a cave, corner it, and when it escapes, trick shot a shoulder cannon blast off to trap it. Note, it does this with damaged gear, which the movie makes clear. (Highly f**king competent, very capable, more cunning and intelligent than a highly intelligent and cunning soldier, thinks fast even when on the back foot, its power doesn't come from its gear but from its competence and intelligence, mastery of its weaponry).
- Captures Dutch despite being blind to him for most of their fight, but when it can kill him, instead gives him to chance to fight it hand to hand. (Competent, Capable of respect, sadistic, pride)
- Spots a trap it is almost entirely blind to, gets caught by another one through what is largely just bad luck. (Competent)
- When defeated, blows itself away laughing in the voice of its enemy's dead friend. (Sadistic, understands human communication, intelligent).
So you can see how its various choices and actions develop its character in a way that make it unique. It doesn't just kill its prey - its incredibly stealthy, incredibly patient, has complete mastery over its world, mastery over its weaponry seizes opportunities, kills most of its victims without them having any idea what's after them, very intelligent, more competent than its human prey (even when largely BLIND to its prey and its traps), and incredibly sadistic on an almost personal level.
We see this as it kills a handful of people we have come to know, and it does so in a very specific way. The result is a villain that feels incredibly powerful and has a memorable way of undertaking what it chooses to undertake - that is specific to it as a character. This sense of unique character traits is what makes it such a special villain.
In short: a Predator is much more than just an alien that hunts for sport. He is a character who behaves a certain way.
If you make a movie where a Predator is just an alien that hunts for sport, then the only difference between it and any other slasher villain is its DNA and its job description.
Which brings me to Prey...
While the creature is called a Predator, and even does some Predatory things, and even has a Predatory aesthetic ... He doesn't behave or make choices like a Predator. He just wanders around killing animals and people. Aside from how he looks... What really is he? He's just a generic violent unstoppable movie monster.
No intelligence. No patience. No opportunism. No personal sadism. No competence that distinguishes him above and beyond everyone else's competence. No predilection for stealth.
Just wanders round killing and letting everyone have a look. There is no distinction between his world of the trees where he's master of the forest ... he shares our world and just walks around in it like we do. This Predator has very little that distinguishes his character - he's just a butcher. Which is one of the Predator's traits, but not his whole personality. This guy doesn't even have mastery of his gear, or behave in much of a way that considers its own survival.
A Predator takes risks, and its egotistical. But its not an idiot. It also CHOOSES to stalk its prey as opposed to jumping in and butchering it. This is one of the FIRST decisions that distinguishes it as a villain. The second we see his vision we learn... this guy likes to watch. to take his time. to understand. AKA: he's smart.
And sure, you can tell me in Prey he's a young predator, it's his first hunt, and so on... But this is just a weak excuse for the villain lacking most of the character traits that make his kind memorable and impressive as villains. It's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie but removing his twisted sense of humor and personal philosophy ... He's no longer the Joker he's just a smart guy.
When it comes to Prey's predator you're essentially saying "Yeah but he's not competent and not smart and doesn't do that whole invisible stalker thing!" ... which basically means he doesn't have the character traits that make a Predator interesting, charismatic, and imposing.
OR worse yet, he's just shit. And for a girl power film ... it kind sucks that you've lumped her with the incompetent Predator. Ripley blasted the perfect organism out the airlock ... Why can't Naaru face a hyper competent cunning Predator?
———
So yeah, the film is well made, well shot, and entertaining - but commits the same sin every Predator movie does... it doesn't actually contain a Predator character in any way shape or form. It just has some lad cosplaying as one.
(Incidentally A L I E N faced this same problem after the first movie. Big Chap became a bug. Poor Anytime became Jason Voorhees).
That's my two cents. I could say more, but this post is long enough. May God have mercy on your soul for reading it, but thank you if you do. <3
I applaud you for this. Very well said and I agree on every point 👏🏼
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 07, 2022, 08:44:29 AMI applaud you for this. Very well said and I agree on every point 👏🏼
Thanks. I actually watched both movies back to back, so that change in character was extremely noticeable.
You go from a thinking, strategizing, highly competent villain that adapts ... to a slasher villain on a rampage. It was jarring.
I loved it. Only thing I have the mental energy to point out here is something I mentioned in my kill count thread for it -- I love that when the voyageurs attempt the beartrap/chains/net ambush, five men pop out of foxholes to throw the net on Feral, but when Feral breaks free and begins slaughtering them, one man quickly ducks back into his foxhole in terror and escapes :laugh:
Well, the first "Predator" film since 1986 (edit:okay 1987) that was not disappointing on any level.
It's a confident, well-told film -- the main character has an actual journey and growth (can you say that about any of the other films?).
It's thematically strong, from the various scenes of animals hunting each other, to the waste of the Buffalo, the trapping, to the animal/human conflicts, hunting teamwork and ultimately, the human/predator conflict (again, can you say that about any of the other films?)
It's a film that takes the opportunity to show us a different point of view than "guns! guns! guns!", that gives an immersive world with a earned authenticity.
This is not a film in the "Predator Franchise".
This is a film.
5/5.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Aug 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AMWell, the first "Predator" film since 1986 that was not disappointing on any level.
Damn, you even consider the 1987 one disappointing.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 09:50:25 AMQuote from: NecronomIV on Aug 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AMWell, the first "Predator" film since 1986 that was not disappointing on any level.
Damn, you even consider the 1987 one disappointing.
I'm old. My memory isn't what it used to ne.
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 07, 2022, 07:38:09 AMI didn't like this movie.
It's by no means a bad movie, it's actually quite pretty and the plot is fairly engaging, has plenty of nice visual touches, and cool moments (i.e. a bear fighting an extraterrestrial). It was competently made and reasonably well acted, and I enjoyed myself watching it...
But over the following days I realised... I didn't like it.
Why?
Because at no point did it feel like it contained a Predator.
In fact, had this movie, or rather, it's choices, been made in 1987 - I don't think the Predator would have made his mark on popular culture. I think he would have faded into obscurity, never to facedown his acid-blooded Nostromo haunting arch-nemesis.
A lot of this comes down to the characterisation of its villain. This is something Predator movies have consistently f**ked up since the first movie. Ignoring "The Predator", which isn't worth mentioning, each Predator movie has made the same error in characterisation.
The error is this:
The Predator is not a monster, he is a character with traits beyond his physical appearance and technology that distinguish him from other villains in popular culture. These traits exist almost entirely within his behaviour and the choices he makes as a character. Therefore, when you change these traits you change the character - and leave the audience no longer watching the character that distinguished itself as memorable and interesting in the first place.
This is why films might have a villain that looks like a Predator. It might even sound like a Predator. But at all times it won't feel like a Predator.
To clarify this point, let's look at the characterisation in the first movie as it is revealed to the audience, and what we learn from said characterisation.
Spoiler
- It travels through space and gets dropped off on another planet. (It is highly intelligent and capable of using advanced technology. You could also infer that it is quite fearless).
- This creature slaughtered Jim Hopper's entire spec ops team without them knowing what they were shooting at. (It is stealthy, and incredibly competent at violence. More than a team of Green Berets. It is also fearless enough to engage Green Berets in combat).
- It can make bodies disappear without a trace. (It is incredibly stealthy and has an inclination towards stealth).
- It butchers and displays what it kills, or vanishes its other kills. (Butchers people. Displays some of its violence openly).
- It stalks from the trees, silently observing Dutch's team. (It is stealthy, observational, and patient - even though it potentially could kill them all at once, as it did to Hopper, it chooses not to and instead follows them. It prefers to travel above its prey as opposed to the same level as it).
- It mimic's human dialogue almost perfectly, demonstrates some understanding of its meaning. (It is intelligent and inquisitive. Understanding of laughter and comments demonstrated later)
- When Hawkins separates from the team, it kills him the first opportunity it gets, leaving Anna unharmed. (It is opportunistic, can strike swiftly, doesn't harm women - established why later).
- Remains hidden. It guys Hawkins and strings him up. (Stealthy. The trees are again where it prefers to be, and are its "domain" as symbolised by it dragging Hawkins body up there to "it's world." Note: this is a HUGE trait as it demonstrates the Predator's power of the world the heroes are trapped in. They clatter around in the jungle, while he lurks above them, dominating his surrounding and filling US the viewer with a sense that the heroes have wandered into a "haunted forest" dominated by one very dangerous "ghost").
- Remains hidden. When Blain separates from the team, it stuns and kills him with a ranged weapon. (Opportunistic. Also likes to attack from ranged safety. Stealthy).
- It somewhat reveals itself to Mac and taunts him. Still largely hidden. (It is sadistic, malicious, and understands the effect its actions are having on others).
- Its actions get itself shot, it then heals itself. (It's ego can get the better of it, but it's intelligent and competent enough to heal complex wounds).
- Comes back for Blain's body, dodges the trip wires. (Considers its kills its possessions, has some kind of relationship to the kills it makes (i.e. Pride), and is highly competent at avoiding capture. Stealthy.)
- Implied by Anna's story that this creature's species has been visiting Earth for some kind and killing people for trophies. (It has a relationship with mankind that is hostile and based on killing for sport).
- It gets within 1m of Dutch, without being detected, without triggering a trap, in front of multiple armed men staring directly at it. (Incredibly stealthy - amazingly so, open to taking incredibly dangerous and daring risks - egotistical).
- When trapped and loses the upper hand, immediately regains the upper hand, injuring one opponent - Poncho - and escaping the trap. (Finds natural traps harder to see, highly competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Briefly reveals itself to the team after they caught it. (Likes to taunt and/or respects them - has a mental relationship to its prey as well as physical one)
- Recognises it's being tracked and ambushed. Gets the jump on and dispatches Mac. (Intelligent, competent, ruthless. Stealthy).
- Doesn't hunt unarmed people. No sport. (Movie clearly states what its goal is - kill for sport, or rather, pleasure. Has made the previous and following decisions based on this pleasure principle. It takes into account other factors, such as survival, but its primary motivation is doing things it finds pleasurable, in this case, hunting competent prey)
- Taunts Dillon with his dead teammates's voice, referencing their previous encounter, disarms, and butchers him. (Sadistic, intelligent, incredibly violent and competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Dispatches Billy effortlessly, sneaks up on the team, kills Poncho effortlessly, and destroys Dutches weapon (competent, competent, competent, stealthy, focused and relentless in pursuit of its goal)
- Corners Dutch by the waterfall, loses track of him due to its vision. (Competent, relentless, focused, vulnerable)
- Takes skulls, cleans them, worships them. (Takes ownership of its victims as prizes, no respect for human life, brutal, views its victims as its possessions).
- Takes care of its gear - or whatever the f**k the wrist blade glowing is. Accepts an open challenge from its prey. (Conscientious, brave).
- Sneaks into Dutch's arena, when cornered opens fire until it gets a track on its invisible prey. In a cat mouse battle where IT CAN'T SEE its opponent, manages to lure it into a cave, corner it, and when it escapes, trick shot a shoulder cannon blast off to trap it. Note, it does this with damaged gear, which the movie makes clear. (Highly f**king competent, very capable, more cunning and intelligent than a highly intelligent and cunning soldier, thinks fast even when on the back foot, its power doesn't come from its gear but from its competence and intelligence, mastery of its weaponry).
- Captures Dutch despite being blind to him for most of their fight, but when it can kill him, instead gives him to chance to fight it hand to hand. (Competent, Capable of respect, sadistic, pride)
- Spots a trap it is almost entirely blind to, gets caught by another one through what is largely just bad luck. (Competent)
- When defeated, blows itself away laughing in the voice of its enemy's dead friend. (Sadistic, understands human communication, intelligent).
So you can see how its various choices and actions develop its character in a way that make it unique. It doesn't just kill its prey - its incredibly stealthy, incredibly patient, has complete mastery over its world, mastery over its weaponry seizes opportunities, kills most of its victims without them having any idea what's after them, very intelligent, more competent than its human prey (even when largely BLIND to its prey and its traps), and incredibly sadistic on an almost personal level.
We see this as it kills a handful of people we have come to know, and it does so in a very specific way. The result is a villain that feels incredibly powerful and has a memorable way of undertaking what it chooses to undertake - that is specific to it as a character. This sense of unique character traits is what makes it such a special villain.
In short: a Predator is much more than just an alien that hunts for sport. He is a character who behaves a certain way.
If you make a movie where a Predator is just an alien that hunts for sport, then the only difference between it and any other slasher villain is its DNA and its job description.
Which brings me to Prey...
While the creature is called a Predator, and even does some Predatory things, and even has a Predatory aesthetic ... He doesn't behave or make choices like a Predator. He just wanders around killing animals and people. Aside from how he looks... What really is he? He's just a generic violent unstoppable movie monster.
No intelligence. No patience. No opportunism. No personal sadism. No competence that distinguishes him above and beyond everyone else's competence. No predilection for stealth.
Just wanders round killing and letting everyone have a look. There is no distinction between his world of the trees where he's master of the forest ... he shares our world and just walks around in it like we do. This Predator has very little that distinguishes his character - he's just a butcher. Which is one of the Predator's traits, but not his whole personality. This guy doesn't even have mastery of his gear, or behave in much of a way that considers its own survival.
A Predator takes risks, and its egotistical. But its not an idiot. It also CHOOSES to stalk its prey as opposed to jumping in and butchering it. This is one of the FIRST decisions that distinguishes it as a villain. The second we see his vision we learn... this guy likes to watch. to take his time. to understand. AKA: he's smart.
And sure, you can tell me in Prey he's a young predator, it's his first hunt, and so on... But this is just a weak excuse for the villain lacking most of the character traits that make his kind memorable and impressive as villains. It's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie but removing his twisted sense of humor and personal philosophy ... He's no longer the Joker he's just a smart guy.
When it comes to Prey's predator you're essentially saying "Yeah but he's not competent and not smart and doesn't do that whole invisible stalker thing!" ... which basically means he doesn't have the character traits that make a Predator interesting, charismatic, and imposing.
OR worse yet, he's just shit. And for a girl power film ... it kind sucks that you've lumped her with the incompetent Predator. Ripley blasted the perfect organism out the airlock ... Why can't Naaru face a hyper competent cunning Predator?
———
So yeah, the film is well made, well shot, and entertaining - but commits the same sin every Predator movie does... it doesn't actually contain a Predator character in any way shape or form. It just has some lad cosplaying as one.
(Incidentally A L I E N faced this same problem after the first movie. Big Chap became a bug. Poor Anytime became Jason Voorhees).
That's my two cents. I could say more, but this post is long enough. May God have mercy on your soul for reading it, but thank you if you do. <3
Great post!
After first viewing I was very pleased with this movie, although I had this sense of "this doesn't feel like predator".
After second viewing my doubts were crystalized. This creature is literally a Jason or Michael Myers character. Actually, even Michael Myers has more depth to him. This is just an unstoppable killing machine.
My opinion has changed drastically. I no longer think this is a good Predator movie.
I will watch the original today to wash this feeling out.
Man, the atmosphere of the original is something else. There's this constant sense of unease and weirdness.
It's fun seeing differing opinions on Feral himself. I definitely understand why peeps might not jive with him, but I liked 'em.
Spoiler
He's obviously very reckless and inexperienced. Like Hadjii, I watched rewatched 1 pretty recently in preparation, so the change in characterization was jarring but I wouldn't say it was bad. Feral is, well, Feral. One can argue it was necessary considering how relatively underpowered his foes were. It was interesting seeing him climb up the food chain, and his choreography is loads of fun.. He has decent enough presence, but this one always feels very vulnerable. A wolf gets first blood in their duel, a bear bodies him until he lands a lucky shot, he continues to let himself get battered and he literally kills himself because he forgets how his technology works.
I really digged what Trachtenberg was trying to do with him, but he did definitely feel more like a "space-orc" rather than a PREDATOR.
None of the Predators survive their hunts against humans. This Predators are amazing hunters is in our heads.
They kill a shit ton of people first.
Thing is, I think, both Naru and Feral are in a mirrored arc: "are you ready to hunt, that what hunts you?"
So I see a few mentioning that the predator was more of a slasher? i mean last i looked this predator takes place hundreds of years before the first makes sense. less required stealth also less worry about a target killing him why would he need a cloak if he knows he's basically able to walk around freely.
They also gave the vibe he wanted a challenge and wanted everyone their to know he's present and to come challenge him this vibe was pulled from one of the old
comics.
#2 people really bitching about the end how he had his hands on her but did not kill her? like what the same was done for arnold and glover. what makes it right for them to do it but not this one? i think people really are being too nit-picky when we all know the original had same thing done.
I liked how no one picked on the fact he did not see her as a threat when he saw her own tribe picking on her. and downplayed her.
Either way i find this movie up there with #1 i really had no issues with anything other than i felt the predator was a little to powerful still by time the wolf+bear take chunks out of it.
Also liked that we got to see P2 pistol in this makes me feel like they plan a sequel either way this was way better than the last movie and slightly above #3 and in between #1 and 2
Feral feels like City Hunter during the subway scene in P2. Only this time it's almost for the entirety of the movie.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2022, 08:30:56 AMI was really looking forward to seeing how an invisible ghostly force would be regarded by older cultures, but outside of a bit of lip service to some Comanche mythical figures we got Jason X with a cloaking device.
Yeah I wish this had been more prominent too.
Think I have to check this out for myself ASAP.
I absolutely loved the movie. It was very well done, and my praise to the cast and crew, and writers for putting together a new, original movie for the Predator saga.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 07, 2022, 12:16:16 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2022, 08:30:56 AMI was really looking forward to seeing how an invisible ghostly force would be regarded by older cultures, but outside of a bit of lip service to some Comanche mythical figures we got Jason X with a cloaking device.
Yeah I wish this had been more prominent too.
Same. After reading Jhane Myers' comments in the SFX interview I was expecting/hoping they were going to lean into the mythical /supernatural/cryptid angle a lot more than they ultimately did.
A minor complaint all things considered, but yeah it definitely would have been cool if we'd have gotten more of the Comanche talking about Feral like it was some evil spirit from their folklore or something.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 10:00:26 AMQuote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 07, 2022, 07:38:09 AMI didn't like this movie.
It's by no means a bad movie, it's actually quite pretty and the plot is fairly engaging, has plenty of nice visual touches, and cool moments (i.e. a bear fighting an extraterrestrial). It was competently made and reasonably well acted, and I enjoyed myself watching it...
But over the following days I realised... I didn't like it.
Why?
Because at no point did it feel like it contained a Predator.
In fact, had this movie, or rather, it's choices, been made in 1987 - I don't think the Predator would have made his mark on popular culture. I think he would have faded into obscurity, never to facedown his acid-blooded Nostromo haunting arch-nemesis.
A lot of this comes down to the characterisation of its villain. This is something Predator movies have consistently f**ked up since the first movie. Ignoring "The Predator", which isn't worth mentioning, each Predator movie has made the same error in characterisation.
The error is this:
The Predator is not a monster, he is a character with traits beyond his physical appearance and technology that distinguish him from other villains in popular culture. These traits exist almost entirely within his behaviour and the choices he makes as a character. Therefore, when you change these traits you change the character - and leave the audience no longer watching the character that distinguished itself as memorable and interesting in the first place.
This is why films might have a villain that looks like a Predator. It might even sound like a Predator. But at all times it won't feel like a Predator.
To clarify this point, let's look at the characterisation in the first movie as it is revealed to the audience, and what we learn from said characterisation.
Spoiler
- It travels through space and gets dropped off on another planet. (It is highly intelligent and capable of using advanced technology. You could also infer that it is quite fearless).
- This creature slaughtered Jim Hopper's entire spec ops team without them knowing what they were shooting at. (It is stealthy, and incredibly competent at violence. More than a team of Green Berets. It is also fearless enough to engage Green Berets in combat).
- It can make bodies disappear without a trace. (It is incredibly stealthy and has an inclination towards stealth).
- It butchers and displays what it kills, or vanishes its other kills. (Butchers people. Displays some of its violence openly).
- It stalks from the trees, silently observing Dutch's team. (It is stealthy, observational, and patient - even though it potentially could kill them all at once, as it did to Hopper, it chooses not to and instead follows them. It prefers to travel above its prey as opposed to the same level as it).
- It mimic's human dialogue almost perfectly, demonstrates some understanding of its meaning. (It is intelligent and inquisitive. Understanding of laughter and comments demonstrated later)
- When Hawkins separates from the team, it kills him the first opportunity it gets, leaving Anna unharmed. (It is opportunistic, can strike swiftly, doesn't harm women - established why later).
- Remains hidden. It guys Hawkins and strings him up. (Stealthy. The trees are again where it prefers to be, and are its "domain" as symbolised by it dragging Hawkins body up there to "it's world." Note: this is a HUGE trait as it demonstrates the Predator's power of the world the heroes are trapped in. They clatter around in the jungle, while he lurks above them, dominating his surrounding and filling US the viewer with a sense that the heroes have wandered into a "haunted forest" dominated by one very dangerous "ghost").
- Remains hidden. When Blain separates from the team, it stuns and kills him with a ranged weapon. (Opportunistic. Also likes to attack from ranged safety. Stealthy).
- It somewhat reveals itself to Mac and taunts him. Still largely hidden. (It is sadistic, malicious, and understands the effect its actions are having on others).
- Its actions get itself shot, it then heals itself. (It's ego can get the better of it, but it's intelligent and competent enough to heal complex wounds).
- Comes back for Blain's body, dodges the trip wires. (Considers its kills its possessions, has some kind of relationship to the kills it makes (i.e. Pride), and is highly competent at avoiding capture. Stealthy.)
- Implied by Anna's story that this creature's species has been visiting Earth for some kind and killing people for trophies. (It has a relationship with mankind that is hostile and based on killing for sport).
- It gets within 1m of Dutch, without being detected, without triggering a trap, in front of multiple armed men staring directly at it. (Incredibly stealthy - amazingly so, open to taking incredibly dangerous and daring risks - egotistical).
- When trapped and loses the upper hand, immediately regains the upper hand, injuring one opponent - Poncho - and escaping the trap. (Finds natural traps harder to see, highly competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Briefly reveals itself to the team after they caught it. (Likes to taunt and/or respects them - has a mental relationship to its prey as well as physical one)
- Recognises it's being tracked and ambushed. Gets the jump on and dispatches Mac. (Intelligent, competent, ruthless. Stealthy).
- Doesn't hunt unarmed people. No sport. (Movie clearly states what its goal is - kill for sport, or rather, pleasure. Has made the previous and following decisions based on this pleasure principle. It takes into account other factors, such as survival, but its primary motivation is doing things it finds pleasurable, in this case, hunting competent prey)
- Taunts Dillon with his dead teammates's voice, referencing their previous encounter, disarms, and butchers him. (Sadistic, intelligent, incredibly violent and competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Dispatches Billy effortlessly, sneaks up on the team, kills Poncho effortlessly, and destroys Dutches weapon (competent, competent, competent, stealthy, focused and relentless in pursuit of its goal)
- Corners Dutch by the waterfall, loses track of him due to its vision. (Competent, relentless, focused, vulnerable)
- Takes skulls, cleans them, worships them. (Takes ownership of its victims as prizes, no respect for human life, brutal, views its victims as its possessions).
- Takes care of its gear - or whatever the f**k the wrist blade glowing is. Accepts an open challenge from its prey. (Conscientious, brave).
- Sneaks into Dutch's arena, when cornered opens fire until it gets a track on its invisible prey. In a cat mouse battle where IT CAN'T SEE its opponent, manages to lure it into a cave, corner it, and when it escapes, trick shot a shoulder cannon blast off to trap it. Note, it does this with damaged gear, which the movie makes clear. (Highly f**king competent, very capable, more cunning and intelligent than a highly intelligent and cunning soldier, thinks fast even when on the back foot, its power doesn't come from its gear but from its competence and intelligence, mastery of its weaponry).
- Captures Dutch despite being blind to him for most of their fight, but when it can kill him, instead gives him to chance to fight it hand to hand. (Competent, Capable of respect, sadistic, pride)
- Spots a trap it is almost entirely blind to, gets caught by another one through what is largely just bad luck. (Competent)
- When defeated, blows itself away laughing in the voice of its enemy's dead friend. (Sadistic, understands human communication, intelligent).
So you can see how its various choices and actions develop its character in a way that make it unique. It doesn't just kill its prey - its incredibly stealthy, incredibly patient, has complete mastery over its world, mastery over its weaponry seizes opportunities, kills most of its victims without them having any idea what's after them, very intelligent, more competent than its human prey (even when largely BLIND to its prey and its traps), and incredibly sadistic on an almost personal level.
We see this as it kills a handful of people we have come to know, and it does so in a very specific way. The result is a villain that feels incredibly powerful and has a memorable way of undertaking what it chooses to undertake - that is specific to it as a character. This sense of unique character traits is what makes it such a special villain.
In short: a Predator is much more than just an alien that hunts for sport. He is a character who behaves a certain way.
If you make a movie where a Predator is just an alien that hunts for sport, then the only difference between it and any other slasher villain is its DNA and its job description.
Which brings me to Prey...
While the creature is called a Predator, and even does some Predatory things, and even has a Predatory aesthetic ... He doesn't behave or make choices like a Predator. He just wanders around killing animals and people. Aside from how he looks... What really is he? He's just a generic violent unstoppable movie monster.
No intelligence. No patience. No opportunism. No personal sadism. No competence that distinguishes him above and beyond everyone else's competence. No predilection for stealth.
Just wanders round killing and letting everyone have a look. There is no distinction between his world of the trees where he's master of the forest ... he shares our world and just walks around in it like we do. This Predator has very little that distinguishes his character - he's just a butcher. Which is one of the Predator's traits, but not his whole personality. This guy doesn't even have mastery of his gear, or behave in much of a way that considers its own survival.
A Predator takes risks, and its egotistical. But its not an idiot. It also CHOOSES to stalk its prey as opposed to jumping in and butchering it. This is one of the FIRST decisions that distinguishes it as a villain. The second we see his vision we learn... this guy likes to watch. to take his time. to understand. AKA: he's smart.
And sure, you can tell me in Prey he's a young predator, it's his first hunt, and so on... But this is just a weak excuse for the villain lacking most of the character traits that make his kind memorable and impressive as villains. It's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie but removing his twisted sense of humor and personal philosophy ... He's no longer the Joker he's just a smart guy.
When it comes to Prey's predator you're essentially saying "Yeah but he's not competent and not smart and doesn't do that whole invisible stalker thing!" ... which basically means he doesn't have the character traits that make a Predator interesting, charismatic, and imposing.
OR worse yet, he's just shit. And for a girl power film ... it kind sucks that you've lumped her with the incompetent Predator. Ripley blasted the perfect organism out the airlock ... Why can't Naaru face a hyper competent cunning Predator?
———
So yeah, the film is well made, well shot, and entertaining - but commits the same sin every Predator movie does... it doesn't actually contain a Predator character in any way shape or form. It just has some lad cosplaying as one.
(Incidentally A L I E N faced this same problem after the first movie. Big Chap became a bug. Poor Anytime became Jason Voorhees).
That's my two cents. I could say more, but this post is long enough. May God have mercy on your soul for reading it, but thank you if you do. <3
Great post!
After first viewing I was very pleased with this movie, although I had this sense of "this doesn't feel like predator".
After second viewing my doubts were crystalized. This creature is literally a Jason or Michael Myers character. Actually, even Michael Myers has more depth to him. This is just an unstoppable killing machine.
My opinion has changed drastically. I no longer think this is a good Predator movie.
I will watch the original today to wash this feeling out.
Man, the atmosphere of the original is something else. There's this constant sense of unease and weirdness.
PREY is an okej movie and nothing else, it's not good nor bad. I can't believe those who rank this movie abow predator 2 or those who gave this movie 10/10 on imdb and now it's 7.3 In rating.
The movie is whatever you think it is.
Love it
Hate it
In between
It doesn't matter, it's just an opinion.
Quote from: dnicholson277 on Aug 07, 2022, 11:03:02 AMNone of the Predators survive their hunts against humans. This Predators are amazing hunters is in our heads.
I'd like that to change for at least one future film. Because we all know how the films end by this point.
Don't see why rating Prey higher than Predator 2 is that controversial. Predator 2 has its moments without a doubt, but is also cliched and full of cartoony, over the top characters and was widely criticised upon release.
The first two films are immovable to me due to the accumulated nostalgia.
The movie is very well done, and I really liked it a lot. A few concerns like climax, but remember it is very difficult to bring a script for a predator movie. Movie z happening 300 years before, and not sure why ppl expecting much advanced weaponry from predator. If Predator kills every poor comanches from long distance using plasma caster for example, it will be dead boring. As a die hard fan, we should applaud this attempt as it almost brought the nostalgia of the first movie. Almost all the predators are scenes are very nice, and made me to watch several times. Director did a brilliant job and it gives us chance to watch 1-2 movies more in future.
If every single Predator looked, acted, and operated the same way we would just have repeat after repeat of the first movie. That may work for purists but for the other 95 percent of viewers it would get stale real fast. Different Predators keeps things interesting. I didn't see anything wrong with Feral.
I totally get why people have an issue with Feral overall. Besides some stalking of wildlife in the first 3rd of the film it didn't act like the predators we are familiar with. It didn't stalk its victims one by one at all; but rather attack it's prey in groups. Feral is much more of a brawler than a cold calculated killer like Jungle or City. While that difference may put some viewers off I actually think it made this predator unique.
Something I wish he had gotten more of in Prey is the mind games predators play on its victims. The voice mimicry we got in P1 and P2 would have been sooo cool here. If
We had a scene of the predator mimicking Taabe or even Naru's Mother that would have been very chilling.
To echo what some people have mentioned, I wish the movie would have dived into how the Comanche tribe would have viewed the predator. Naru mentioned a monster from a child story, I would have loved to seen that expanded upon. Seeing the tribe view the predator as a supernatural being would have been awesome,
The Comanche would not have been unable to comprehend the Predator and its technology, let alone figure out how to use its laser guided targeting system to defeat one. There is an incredible book written by a man held captive by a Comanche tribe, who survived for three years by using his pocket watch to dazzle and entertain his captors. Everyone else captured was killed / tortured to death, but as he was traded from one group to the next, he used the watch to convince them that it was possessed by a spirit being. He purchased the watch a day before setting out on his journey across the plains. One very fortuitous purchase!
I kind of disagree that City Hunter was calculating. A lot of what he did was walk into rooms and kill everyone inside and the subway scene was full tilt slasher behavior. I never had a problem with it though because City Hunter is a different Pred than Jungle Hunter and it wouldn't make sense if they all robotically mimicked one another. What makes Predator so cool to me is like us each one is in individual.
Also I'd like to point out that this Predator truly was looking for the most challenging adversary instead of hiding in the trees and killing everyone with the knowledge that no one could possibly see him. If you really look at it Jungle Hunter opererated in a way where no one other than Arnold really had any chance of putting up a fight against it and the only reason Arnold was able to is because he figured out how to become the hunter.
Antoher minor gripe I have is that Feral's weaponry felt at times more advanced than what we have seen in the future.
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Homing darts are very advanced IMO, and the little explosive flyng reddish bomb things too.
Quote from: GreybackElder on Aug 07, 2022, 02:30:05 PMSomething I wish he had gotten more of in Prey is the mind games predators play on its victims. The voice mimicry we got in P1 and P2 would have been sooo cool here. If
We had a scene of the predator mimicking Taabe or even Naru's Mother that would have been very chilling.
I was expecting Feral to mimic wolves/bears to trick people.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 07, 2022, 03:15:05 PMAntoher minor gripe I have is that Feral's weaponry felt at times more advanced than what we have seen in the future.
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Homing darts are very advanced IMO, and the little explosive flyng reddish bomb things too.
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That's how I felt with the net weapon. Did it like completely destroy that one guy?
Another point that's sticking out to me on rewatches...
Why did Naru assume that Feral couldn't see the Frenchman she had given the orange flower? Is there a cut scene where she learns about the Predator's ability to only see heat?
She has neither the technological background nor the handson knowledge to assume that, especially considering the Predator literally stops over the Frenchman for a period of time, clearly "seeing" him.
The natural response would be to wonder whether the Predator wasn't sure if the Frenchman was dead.
I feel it's an example of the scriptwriter's knowledge seeping into the character's minds.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:18:10 PMAnother point that's sticking out to me on rewatches...
Why did Naru assume that Feral couldn't see the Frenchman she had given the orange flower? Is there a cut scene where she learns about the Predator's ability to only see heat?
She has neither the technological background nor the handson knowledge to assume that, especially considering the Predator literally stops over the Frenchman for a period of time, clearly "seeing" him.
The natural response would be to wonder whether the Predator wasn't sure if the Frenchman was dead.
I feel it's an example of the scriptwriter's knowledge seeping into the character's minds.
She had knowledge that her medicine from the orange petal flower cooled the bled to prevent bloodloss. She then gave that same medicine containing it to the wounded French guy, who then the Pred couldn't see. She's not dumb, and she put 2 and 2 together.
Bu
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:21:06 PMQuote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:18:10 PMAnother point that's sticking out to me on rewatches...
Why did Naru assume that Feral couldn't see the Frenchman she had given the orange flower? Is there a cut scene where she learns about the Predator's ability to only see heat?
She has neither the technological background nor the handson knowledge to assume that, especially considering the Predator literally stops over the Frenchman for a period of time, clearly "seeing" him.
The natural response would be to wonder whether the Predator wasn't sure if the Frenchman was dead.
I feel it's an example of the scriptwriter's knowledge seeping into the character's minds.
She had knowledge that her medicine from the orange petal flower cooled the bled to prevent bloodloss. She then gave that same medicine containing it to the wounded French guy, who then the Pred couldn't see. She's not dumb, and she put 2 and 2 together.
But that's not what happened.
1. The Predator DID see him.
2. Connecting those two dots, assuming the creature sees things differently, is a MASSIVE leap.
No person without prior knowledge of the Predator would put 2 and 2 together that way.
He didn't see the french guy, he only killed him when he revealed himself.
https://twitter.com/NickPitarra/status/1178003141767438336
good to keep in mind while dealing with the more delusional "opinions" in the fanbase.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:23:41 PMBu
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:21:06 PMQuote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:18:10 PMAnother point that's sticking out to me on rewatches...
Why did Naru assume that Feral couldn't see the Frenchman she had given the orange flower? Is there a cut scene where she learns about the Predator's ability to only see heat?
She has neither the technological background nor the handson knowledge to assume that, especially considering the Predator literally stops over the Frenchman for a period of time, clearly "seeing" him.
The natural response would be to wonder whether the Predator wasn't sure if the Frenchman was dead.
I feel it's an example of the scriptwriter's knowledge seeping into the character's minds.
She had knowledge that her medicine from the orange petal flower cooled the bled to prevent bloodloss. She then gave that same medicine containing it to the wounded French guy, who then the Pred couldn't see. She's not dumb, and she put 2 and 2 together.
But that's not what happened.
1. The Predator DID see him.
2. Connecting those two dots, assuming the creature sees things differently, is a MASSIVE leap.
No person without prior knowledge of the Predator would put 2 and 2 together that way.
Yea, you must have missed something. Good thing you can pull it up on Hulu right now and watch it again.
His body was cold, and when he scanned the camp, he had a cold heat signature. Once he stepped on him, and he screamed, was when he impaled him. It's right there in black and white.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2022, 03:26:43 PMHe didn't see the french guy, he only killed him when he revealed himself.
He literally did though... Even in the Pred-Vision scenes WE see him.
And again, NONE of that matters, because why would Naru have any reason to assume he only sees heat? From Naru's perspective, the Predator stops over a corpse and waits to see if it moves... Nothing else. She has no reason at all to assume he only sees heat.
Yeah they see the outline of Dutch when he's covered in mud too. The point is that he doesn't see the heat signature.
Feral steps over the body and looks around like there isn't anything to see, but when the man moves and makes noise he gets killed.
I was fine with her seeing the connection. Just feels like people are desperate to find a way to rip this film any way they can.
The Frenchman's blood trail was still warm while his body was cold except a small bit of his throat . Pred knew he was alive the whole time I think. My main take away is predator movies just got better with room to grow. Not perfect but good and getting better.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:30:40 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2022, 03:26:43 PMHe didn't see the french guy, he only killed him when he revealed himself.
He literally did though... Even in the Pred-Vision scenes WE see him.
And again, NONE of that matters, because why would Naru have any reason to assume he only sees heat? From Naru's perspective, the Predator stops over a corpse and waits to see if it moves... Nothing else. She has no reason at all to assume he only sees heat.
You are missing the whole thing, here. The Pred sees body heat, which is an indication of LIFE. Pred isn't going around stabbing cold dead people, with cold being an indication of DEATH.
Naru knows her meds COOL the body. That's its literal purpose.
She saw the Pred, whom she witness kill scores of men, a bear, etc without hesitation, but didnt't attack the man laying there on the ground, who he was obviously tailed from that trap site to finish the job. It was clear to her, the meds that she JUST gave him, had something to do with it.
What are you not seeing here?
I feel like it could have been explored a bit more, but the movie does an okay job at the infrared reveal
How did Dutch deduce that the predator sees in heat vision. Being covered in mud doesn't automatically tell someone that whatever is hunting them only sees in an infrared spectrum. For all Dutch knew for whatever reason the mud made him less detectable to the predator. Same with Naru and her flower. All she knew is that for whatever reason when someone has eaten the cooling flower, a flower that she literally says "cools the blood" the predator has trouble detecting them. It's as much of a stretch as Dutch in the mud. It's a fictional device and nothing more.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2022, 03:33:32 PMYeah they see the outline of Dutch when he's covered in mud too. The point is that he doesn't see the heat signature.
Feral steps over the body and looks around like there isn't anything to see, but when the man moves he gets killed.
I was fine with her seeing the connection between the two. Just feels like people are desperate to find a way to rip this film any way they can.
What? Why on Earth do you think I'm trying to rip the film apart? I never mentioned anything like that and have previously in this thread rated it 7/10.
I rewatched it and the part interested me because it was a leap that made no sense to me.
I understand if you're happy just assuming that she put two and two together to get 25, but I prefer it to add up to four.
My point is not that YOU know the Predator has heat vision. It isn't that I know the Predator has heat vision. It isn't that the Predator does indeed have heatvision.
It's that Naru has no reason to know it has heat vision.
Again, if you think it's telegraphed fine, great. It just isn't for me.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:41:06 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 07, 2022, 03:33:32 PMYeah they see the outline of Dutch when he's covered in mud too. The point is that he doesn't see the heat signature.
Feral steps over the body and looks around like there isn't anything to see, but when the man moves he gets killed.
I was fine with her seeing the connection between the two. Just feels like people are desperate to find a way to rip this film any way they can.
What? Why on Earth do you think I'm trying to rip the film apart? I never mentioned anything like that and have previously in this thread rated it 7/10.
I rewatched it and the part interested me because it was a leap that made no sense to me.
I understand if you're happy just assuming that she put two and two together to get 25, but I prefer it to add up to four.
My point is not that YOU know the Predator has heat vision. It isn't that I know the Predator has heat vision. It isn't that the Predator does indeed have heatvision.
It's that Naru has no reason to know it has heat vision.
Again, if you think it's telegraphed fine, great. It just isn't for me.
She didnt figure out Pred had heat vision. She found out Pred couldnt see him. That's it. Maybe that's why you are struggling here. You think she figured out something that she didnt. She solved the parts of the puzzle needed to fight against him. That's it.
This is real simple storytelling here.
That's a fine gripe to have and all but the equivalent logical leap was also made in Predator concerning the heat vision.
The only minor issue I have is I think they should have muddied up Ferals heat vision resolution a little bit more to make it seem older quality than say the resolution of the hear vision in Predator 87.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 03:39:38 PMHow did Dutch deduce that the predator sees in heat vision. Being covered in mud doesn't automatically tell someone that whatever is hunting them only sees in an infrared spectrum. For all Dutch knew for whatever reason the mud made him less detectable to the predator. Same with Naru and her flower. All she knew is that for whatever reason when someone has eaten the cooling flower, a flower that she literally says "cools the blood" the predator has trouble detecting them. It's as much of a stretch as Dutch in the mud. It's a fictional device and nothing more.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:43:20 PMShe didnt figure out Pred had heat vision. She found out Pred couldnt see him. That's it. Maybe that's why you are struggling here. You think she figured out something that she didnt. She solved the parts of the puzzle needed to fight against him. That's it.
This is real simple storytelling here.
Again, nothing telegraphed that the Predator couldn't see him.
From Naru's perspective, the Predator had stopped over the body of the Frenchman. Why would she assume that the flower caused the blood to cool and thus led to the Predator not being able to see him when what is telegraphed is the Predator being suspicious about the Frenchman and assumes he might be playing dead.
I understand the writing side of it, and how the writer's assume you should see it, but that isn't how it's portrayed.
With Arnold, the Predator walked right past him while he was covered in mud. He has every reason to assume the mud was why the Predator couldn't see him, even if he doesn't know why. It's clearly telegraphed and the moment of realization comes from direct experience. The Frenchman playing dead and the Predator standing over him curiously doesn't equal "invisible".
A simple fix would be to have the Frenchman NOT play dead.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:49:50 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 03:39:38 PMHow did Dutch deduce that the predator sees in heat vision. Being covered in mud doesn't automatically tell someone that whatever is hunting them only sees in an infrared spectrum. For all Dutch knew for whatever reason the mud made him less detectable to the predator. Same with Naru and her flower. All she knew is that for whatever reason when someone has eaten the cooling flower, a flower that she literally says "cools the blood" the predator has trouble detecting them. It's as much of a stretch as Dutch in the mud. It's a fictional device and nothing more.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:43:20 PMShe didnt figure out Pred had heat vision. She found out Pred couldnt see him. That's it. Maybe that's why you are struggling here. You think she figured out something that she didnt. She solved the parts of the puzzle needed to fight against him. That's it.
This is real simple storytelling here.
Again, nothing telegraphed that the Predator couldn't see him.
From Naru's perspective, the Predator had stopped over the body of the Frenchman. Why would she assume that the flower caused the blood to cool and thus led to the Predator not being able to see him when what is telegraphed is the Predator being suspicious about the Frenchman and assumes he might be playing dead.
I understand the writing side of it, and how the writer's assume you should see it, but that isn't how it's portrayed.
With Arnold, the Predator walked right past him while he was covered in mud. He has every reason to assume the mud was why the Predator couldn't see him, even if he doesn't know why. It's clearly telegraphed and the moment of realization comes from direct experience. The Frenchman playing dead and the Predator standing over him curiously doesn't equal "invisible".
A simple fix would be to have the Frenchman NOT play dead.
I keep telling you, that you are missing something here. Were you sleep in the film? They go out there way to establish the orange flower medicine cools the blood (to stop the injured person from bleeding out). She even yells at one of her people who was trying to counter act it when they were rescuing Pui(sp?).
When she gave the frenchman the meds, seconds after he started to get chills (just to remind the audience of what the flower does).
How are you missing this?
I sew your point but I think it's semantics when it comes down to it.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:55:25 PMI keep telling you, that you are missing something here. Were you sleep in the film? They go out there way to establish the orange flower medicine cools the blood (to stop the injured person from bleeding out). She even yells at one of her people who was trying to counter act it when they were rescuing Pui(sp?).
When she gave the frenchman the meds, seconds after he started to get chills (just remind the audience of what the flower does).
How are you missing this?
I'm not missing that.
YOU know that it will affect the Predator's vision. "I" know that it will affect the Predator's vision.
Naru has no reason to know it will and nothing that happened with the Frenchman FROM NARU'S PERSPECTIVE indicates that the flower was the reason the Predator was standing over him and not killing him.
Also if the French man has not played dead his movement would have been detected, just like Dutch would have been defected if he had moved.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:58:12 PMQuote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:55:25 PMI keep telling you, that you are missing something here. Were you sleep in the film? They go out there way to establish the orange flower medicine cools the blood (to stop the injured person from bleeding out). She even yells at one of her people who was trying to counter act it when they were rescuing Pui(sp?).
When she gave the frenchman the meds, seconds after he started to get chills (just remind the audience of what the flower does).
How are you missing this?
I'm not missing that.
YOU know that it will affect the Predator's vision. "I" know that it will affect the Predator's vision.
Naru has no reason to know it will and nothing that happened with the Frenchman FROM NARU'S PERSPECTIVE indicates that the flower was the reason the Predator was standing over him and not killing him.
There must be a language barrier here. I'm not spelling it out again. It was plain as day what happened, and how she came to the conclusion she did.
Maybe you *do* have an axe to grind here.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:49:50 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 03:39:38 PMHow did Dutch deduce that the predator sees in heat vision. Being covered in mud doesn't automatically tell someone that whatever is hunting them only sees in an infrared spectrum. For all Dutch knew for whatever reason the mud made him less detectable to the predator. Same with Naru and her flower. All she knew is that for whatever reason when someone has eaten the cooling flower, a flower that she literally says "cools the blood" the predator has trouble detecting them. It's as much of a stretch as Dutch in the mud. It's a fictional device and nothing more.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:43:20 PMShe didnt figure out Pred had heat vision. She found out Pred couldnt see him. That's it. Maybe that's why you are struggling here. You think she figured out something that she didnt. She solved the parts of the puzzle needed to fight against him. That's it.
This is real simple storytelling here.
Again, nothing telegraphed that the Predator couldn't see him.
From Naru's perspective, the Predator had stopped over the body of the Frenchman. Why would she assume that the flower caused the blood to cool and thus led to the Predator not being able to see him when what is telegraphed is the Predator being suspicious about the Frenchman and assumes he might be playing dead.
We see from the Predator's own point of view that he looks exactly like a dead body. He scans over several dead bodies and none of them have heat signatures. He's only curious about that one because of the blood trail. But after a while he just starts looking around and not paying any attention to him until he's about to leave, only realising he
is alive when he steps on his leg and the guy cries out. And Naru sees all of it.
Like Sol said, it doesn't make any difference whether she knows "he can see body heat", all that matters is she sees that taking that flower makes it so that he can't really see you.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 03:58:51 PMAlso if the French man has not played dead his movement would have been detected, just like Dutch would have been defected if he had moved.
You misunderstand my point.
Let's take an alternative scene. The Predator lands in the camp, the Frenchman presses himself up against a tree, clearly visible for a human.
The Predator follows the blood trail and stands over him, in clear view of Naru. The Predator looks at the end of the blood trail, bends down to touch it, then looks left and right.
Naru gives a quizzical tilt of her head. What's going on?
The Predator stands up and begins to walk away... "He couldn't see me..." Barely a whisper, but the Predator hears, twists around and stabs him.
The Predator, unnerved begins walking around and stabbing the nearest corpses before letting out a roar and jumping away.
"He couldn't see him..." Naru looks at the pouch. "Was it because of this?" She takes some and dashes in pursuit, leading to a scene of her openly following the Predator in full view of him, though at a safe distance.
It doesn't take much to fix it so everything is clearly telegraphed.
I can see that but that wasn't the way the movie was written maybe that part could have been spoon fed to the audience a little more. Personally I just don't see it as any more of an egregious leap in logic than anything that happened in the first movie.
This is all pretty simple, but pretty dumb when you think about it.
(1) The Predator has heat vision. (2) The orange flower triggers a massive temperature drop in anyone that consumes it. (3) When the Predator looks at Frenchie-with-one-leg he sees his body as blue, the same colour as the other bodies on the ground, and assumes he is dead. (3) Naru deduces that the Predator cannot see Frenchie because he is cold, which is one of the those cognitive leaps only movie characters can make. (4). Predator realises Frenchie is still alive when he steps on his leg and he screams out in pain. (5). Frenchie gets the shish-kebab treatment.
Quote from: Rudiger on Aug 07, 2022, 04:18:43 PMThis is all pretty simple, but pretty dumb when you think about it.
(1) The Predator has heat vision. (2) The orange flower triggers a massive temperature drop in anyone that consumes it. (3) When the Predator looks at Frenchie-with-one-leg he sees his body as blue, the same colour as the other bodies on the ground, and assumes he is dead. (3) Naru deduces that the Predator cannot see Frenchie because he is cold, which is one of the those cognitive leaps only movie characters can make. (4). Predator realises Frenchie is still alive when he steps on his leg and he screams out in pain. (5). Frenchie gets the shish-kebab treatment.
Storytelling really is dead, here. And it's the audiences fault.
She knows exactly what her medicine does > She gave it to the Frenchmen > He then survives much longer than he should, and was only killed once he screamed in pain after being stepped on by the Pred.
It's a literal A - B, here. Nothing about that was dumb or written poorly.
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spoiler]That's how I felt with the net weapon. Did it like completely destroy that one guy?[/spoiler]
I believe so. But how it's shot makes it a bit unclear.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 03:49:50 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 03:39:38 PMHow did Dutch deduce that the predator sees in heat vision. Being covered in mud doesn't automatically tell someone that whatever is hunting them only sees in an infrared spectrum. For all Dutch knew for whatever reason the mud made him less detectable to the predator. Same with Naru and her flower. All she knew is that for whatever reason when someone has eaten the cooling flower, a flower that she literally says "cools the blood" the predator has trouble detecting them. It's as much of a stretch as Dutch in the mud. It's a fictional device and nothing more.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 03:43:20 PMShe didnt figure out Pred had heat vision. She found out Pred couldnt see him. That's it. Maybe that's why you are struggling here. You think she figured out something that she didnt. She solved the parts of the puzzle needed to fight against him. That's it.
This is real simple storytelling here.
Again, nothing telegraphed that the Predator couldn't see him.
From Naru's perspective, the Predator had stopped over the body of the Frenchman. Why would she assume that the flower caused the blood to cool and thus led to the Predator not being able to see him when what is telegraphed is the Predator being suspicious about the Frenchman and assumes he might be playing dead.
I understand the writing side of it, and how the writer's assume you should see it, but that isn't how it's portrayed.
With Arnold, the Predator walked right past him while he was covered in mud. He has every reason to assume the mud was why the Predator couldn't see him, even if he doesn't know why. It's clearly telegraphed and the moment of realization comes from direct experience. The Frenchman playing dead and the Predator standing over him curiously doesn't equal "invisible".
A simple fix would be to have the Frenchman NOT play dead.
A very simple explanation exists here:
A) It is true that Naru deduces that the Predator can't see the trapper because of the medicinal herb.
B) It is also true that there is no reason to believe that Naru guessed the Predator has heat vision.
Naru and her tribe would not have an understanding of the biochemistry that makes such herbs effective medicines. To them, these things simply have power, spiritual or even magical.
Naru does not understand that the Predator is extraterrestrial in a spacefaring alien sense. She sees it as supernatural, a demon, something akin to a Wendigo.
It's reasonable to assume that Naru believes that the properties of this magical herb makes it a potent weapon against this demon from the spirit world.
Infrared vision and scientific deduction don't even enter the equation.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 04:27:46 PMStorytelling really is dead, here. And it's the audiences fault.
She knows exactly what her medicine does > She gave it to the Frenchmen > He then survives much longer than he should, and was only killed once he screamed in pain after being stepped on by the Pred.
It's a literal A - B, here. Nothing about that was dumb or written poorly.
Of course it was dumb and poorly written. Naru sees this and nothing more: The Predator walks into camp, looks around a bit, steps on Frenchie's leg and kills him when he screams. That's it; that's all she sees. There is no way on earth she would know what the Predator saw or rather couldn't see?
You've only got to think about the scene for a second or two to realise how silly it all is.
I think looking for realism in a movie about a technologically advanced alien hunting people isn't going to be a good fine, with ANY of the predator movies because they all make logical leaps and they all require the suspension of disbelief. The original flick was literally made to be a fun he-man vs monster pop corn flick and nothing more. I think nostalgia really blinds people to these simple facts.
Here's how you write a scene that ensures the characters in the film are on the same page as the audience...
Predator 1: We, the audience, know that the Predator sees using heat. Dutch doesn't and is being chased by the Predator. Dutch falls into the water, but the Predator keeps coming. Dutch gets covered in mud, the Predator approaches, but does not attack. Dutch is confused. The Predator looks directly at Dutch. Nothing happens. Cut to the Predator's POV and we see that the Predator can no longer distinguish Dutch. The Predator targets another heat signature and attacks, but it's just a rodent. Dutch now understands... when's he's covered in mud, the Predator cannot see him.
It's brilliantly simply and perfectly logical...because Dutch is the thing being seen and then not seen. Prey gets it wrong by not doing something similar with Naru. For her to understand the effect of the herb, she should be seen, but then not seen after consuming some of said herb. That's a logical leap her character could have made.
Well luckily the original movie still exists for people who don't like Prey to still enjoy. I could tear apart predator and predator 2 for their fallacies all day but I understand that no movie is perfect, especially in the sphere of public opinion. It is pointless to tear this movie apart for things that literally every other predator movie is guilty of.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 02:41:03 PMI kind of disagree that City Hunter was calculating. A lot of what he did was walk into rooms and kill everyone inside and the subway scene was full tilt slasher behavior. I never had a problem with it though because City Hunter is a different Pred than Jungle Hunter and it wouldn't make sense if they all robotically mimicked one another. What makes Predator so cool to me is like us each one is in individual.
Also I'd like to point out that this Predator truly was looking for the most challenging adversary instead of hiding in the trees and killing everyone with the knowledge that no one could possibly see him. If you really look at it Jungle Hunter opererated in a way where no one other than Arnold really had any chance of putting up a fight against it and the only reason Arnold was able to is because he figured out how to become the hunter.
I think city was more calculating than Feral. He stalked and killed all of Harrigan's team one by one. He literally followe Harrigan wherever he went.He toyed with Harrigan by dangling Danny's necklace in the cemetery. Feral was killing whatever and whom ever he pleased.
Quote from: Rudiger on Aug 07, 2022, 05:07:57 PMQuote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 04:27:46 PMStorytelling really is dead, here. And it's the audiences fault.
She knows exactly what her medicine does > She gave it to the Frenchmen > He then survives much longer than he should, and was only killed once he screamed in pain after being stepped on by the Pred.
It's a literal A - B, here. Nothing about that was dumb or written poorly.
Of course it was dumb and poorly written. Naru sees this and nothing more: The Predator walks into camp, looks around a bit, steps on Frenchie's leg and kills him when he screams. That's it; that's all she sees. There is no way on earth she would know what the Predator saw or rather couldn't see?
You've only got to think about the scene for a second or two to realise how silly it all is.
... man...
Yea, she watches this thing insta-kill everything it sees, but not the frenchmen? He was standing right on top of him, and didn't attack until he yelled at the top of his lungs?
... C'mon. lol
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 05:33:29 PM... man...
Yea, she watches this thing insta-kill everything it sees, but not the frenchmen? He was standing right on top of him, and didn't attack until he yelled at the top of his lungs?
... C'mon. lol
That line of logic doesn't pan out as well. The Predator DOESN'T insta-kill everything it sees and Naru in fact already has that knowledge thanks to it leaving her alone when she was caught in the beartrap.
Now that you mention it, that makes the logic leap even more apparent, because it would be more natural for her to assume that the Predator didn't think the Frenchman was a threat, especially if he assumed he was dead.
Quote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 05:33:29 PM... man...
Yea, she watches this thing insta-kill everything it sees, but not the frenchmen? He was standing right on top of him, and didn't attack until he yelled at the top of his lungs?
... C'mon. lol
You can ignore it all you like, but from that scene onwards Naru performs a level of mental gymnastics Einstein would have been proud of. The shark gets well and truly jumped.
Is it a mistake that water does not affect the Predator in PREY and it does in Predator 2?
https://twitter.com/vmenendezb/status/1556311213969113089
Yep.
"I think city was more calculating than Feral. He stalked and killed all of Harrigan's team one by one. He literally followe Harrigan wherever he went.He toyed with Harrigan by dangling Danny's necklace in the cemetery. Feral was killing whatever and whom ever he pleased."
I guess I don't see this as a problem.
Quote from: Rudiger on Aug 07, 2022, 05:41:43 PMQuote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 05:33:29 PM... man...
Yea, she watches this thing insta-kill everything it sees, but not the frenchmen? He was standing right on top of him, and didn't attack until he yelled at the top of his lungs?
... C'mon. lol
You can ignore it all you like, but from that scene onwards Naru performs a level of mental gymnastics Einstein would have been proud of. The shark gets well and truly jumped.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 07, 2022, 05:41:16 PMQuote from: Sol on Aug 07, 2022, 05:33:29 PM... man...
Yea, she watches this thing insta-kill everything it sees, but not the frenchmen? He was standing right on top of him, and didn't attack until he yelled at the top of his lungs?
... C'mon. lol
That line of logic doesn't pan out as well. The Predator DOESN'T insta-kill everything it sees and Naru in fact already has that knowledge thanks to it leaving her alone when she was caught in the beartrap.
Now that you mention it, that makes the logic leap even more apparent, because it would be more natural for her to assume that the Predator didn't think the Frenchman was a threat, especially if he assumed he was dead.
Well, you guys have fun with that. Incredibly weird.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 05:54:33 PM"I think city was more calculating than Feral. He stalked and killed all of Harrigan's team one by one. He literally followe Harrigan wherever he went.He toyed with Harrigan by dangling Danny's necklace in the cemetery. Feral was killing whatever and whom ever he pleased."
I guess I don't see this as a problem.
That was the biggest fail of the film for me. Assuming this was this particular Predator's first time on the planet, he did at least pick one of the most violent and bloody places to hunt. I assume he was studying the area and seeking out the alpha predators - the snake, then the wolf, then the bear and then on to humans. It rightly made mincemeat of the trappers as they wouldn't have had much combat experience (bisons don't fight back), so it should have ended with a final battle against a Comanche war party that was properly portrayed: on horseback and using a bow and arrows from distance.
So a sequel is likely?
It (Naru's logic leap) is a bit of a plot hole/failing, but I don't think it's massively glaring. Just could have been done better.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 06:24:36 PMSo a sequel is likely?
I think it'll depend entirely on how much attention Disney pays to the reaction to this film, which so far has been mostly extremely positive.
They're definitely more reactive to fan reception of their movies than some studios (just look at how quickly they pivoted their plans for Star Wars from movies to TV shows after a couple of bombs and The Mandalorian being a hit), so fingers crossed they see how well Predator can do for them when it's done right and decide to make more.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 06:24:36 PMSo a sequel is likely?
Almost certainly, but not on the big screen. If not another streamed movie, it might switch to tv. It's an established franchise with a loyal fan base that no longer has (expensive) star quality attached, so relatively low risk / cheap to make.
After reading a few hot takes after the last few days, I'm wondering how your backs and muscles feel after all of the stretching?
I am not saying that you're wrong in your opinions, no one is. I'm just wondering what movie some of you watched? Did you watch it and give a live commentary while your sharing your thoughts here before you finish the movie? I'm curious because it feels like many of you saw a different movie entirely than I did.
Naru is far from a John Wick Mary Sue that so many here keep insisting, in my eyes. Did no one see the scenes of her training, and eventually winning the hunt by getting the rabbits after failure a few times. Literally this is character development, but seeing so many say it doesn't count in that instance.
Okay then, what about when she takes on the other tribes member in hand to hand combat while Feral is watching from the trees? She clearly has the upper hand until the other member gets involved and pushes her into a punch. The dude gave up until that moment.
The way she moves throughout the movie sets her up to go on the attack against the trappers. Literally seeing people say they gave up when she started to kill them. I'm wondering where people are finding the issue here, because on text and paper, that looks a bit odd in my eyes. But I'm not accusing anyone of that, just an observation I've had. Is it because she's a woman? Is it because she's a woman of color? Is it because you had unreal expectations going in before the film that weren't met? Could Ridgetop and my initial reactions set some expectations too high, when we ourselves said we need more viewings to solidify the thoughts? Could be so many things.
It's just been quite interesting seeing some very hot takes that I'm not sure how they were formed. Really just trying to understand the multiple view points, but some I just can't align with.
I think some jumped on here too quickly before forming thoughts. And some may need to watch the movie again and not worry about giving commentary.
Just my thoughts! No one is wrong in anything their thinking, but seeing some takes that have raised my eyebrow at times.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 07, 2022, 07:12:52 PMAfter reading a few hot takes after the last few days, I'm wondering how your backs and muscles feel after all of the stretching?
I am not saying that you're wrong in your opinions, no one is. I'm just wondering what movie some of you watched? Did you watch it and give a love commentary while your sharing your thoughts here before you finish the movie? I'm curious because it feels like many of you saw a different movie entirely than I did.
Naru is far from a John Wick Mary Sue that so many here keep insisting, in my eyes. Did no one see the scenes of her training, and eventually winning the hunt by getting the rabbits after failure a few times. Literally this is character development, but seeing so many say it doesn't count in that instance.
Okay then, what about when she takes on the other tribes member in hand to hand combat while Feral is watching from the trees? She clearly has the upper hand until the other member gets involved and pushes her into a punch. The dude gave up until that moment.
The way she moves throughout the movie sets her up to go on the attack agains the trappers. Literally seeing people say they gave up when she started to kill them. I'm wondering where people are finding the issue here, because on text and paper, that looks a bit odd in my eyes. But I'm not accusing anyone of that, just an observation I've had. Is it because she's a woman? Is it because she's a woman of color? Is it because you had unreal expectations going in before the film that weren't met? Could Ridgetop and my initial reactions set some expectations too high, when we ourselves said we need more viewings to solidify the thoughts? Could be so many things.
It's just been quite interesting seeing some very hot takes that I'm not sure how they were formed. Really just trying to understand the multiple view points, but some I just can't align with.
I think some jumped on here too quickly before forming thoughts. And some may need to watch the movie again and not worry about giving commentary.
Just my thoughts! No one is wrong in anything their thinking, but seeing some takes that have raised my eyebrow at times.
I will quote the guy that wrote this because that's exactly how I feel about this movie.
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 07, 2022, 07:38:09 AMI didn't like this movie.
It's by no means a bad movie, it's actually quite pretty and the plot is fairly engaging, has plenty of nice visual touches, and cool moments (i.e. a bear fighting an extraterrestrial). It was competently made and reasonably well acted, and I enjoyed myself watching it...
But over the following days I realised... I didn't like it.
Why?
Because at no point did it feel like it contained a Predator.
In fact, had this movie, or rather, it's choices, been made in 1987 - I don't think the Predator would have made his mark on popular culture. I think he would have faded into obscurity, never to facedown his acid-blooded Nostromo haunting arch-nemesis.
A lot of this comes down to the characterisation of its villain. This is something Predator movies have consistently f**ked up since the first movie. Ignoring "The Predator", which isn't worth mentioning, each Predator movie has made the same error in characterisation.
The error is this:
The Predator is not a monster, he is a character with traits beyond his physical appearance and technology that distinguish him from other villains in popular culture. These traits exist almost entirely within his behaviour and the choices he makes as a character. Therefore, when you change these traits you change the character - and leave the audience no longer watching the character that distinguished itself as memorable and interesting in the first place.
This is why films might have a villain that looks like a Predator. It might even sound like a Predator. But at all times it won't feel like a Predator.
To clarify this point, let's look at the characterisation in the first movie as it is revealed to the audience, and what we learn from said characterisation.
Spoiler
- It travels through space and gets dropped off on another planet. (It is highly intelligent and capable of using advanced technology. You could also infer that it is quite fearless).
- This creature slaughtered Jim Hopper's entire spec ops team without them knowing what they were shooting at. (It is stealthy, and incredibly competent at violence. More than a team of Green Berets. It is also fearless enough to engage Green Berets in combat).
- It can make bodies disappear without a trace. (It is incredibly stealthy and has an inclination towards stealth).
- It butchers and displays what it kills, or vanishes its other kills. (Butchers people. Displays some of its violence openly).
- It stalks from the trees, silently observing Dutch's team. (It is stealthy, observational, and patient - even though it potentially could kill them all at once, as it did to Hopper, it chooses not to and instead follows them. It prefers to travel above its prey as opposed to the same level as it).
- It mimic's human dialogue almost perfectly, demonstrates some understanding of its meaning. (It is intelligent and inquisitive. Understanding of laughter and comments demonstrated later)
- When Hawkins separates from the team, it kills him the first opportunity it gets, leaving Anna unharmed. (It is opportunistic, can strike swiftly, doesn't harm women - established why later).
- Remains hidden. It guys Hawkins and strings him up. (Stealthy. The trees are again where it prefers to be, and are its "domain" as symbolised by it dragging Hawkins body up there to "it's world." Note: this is a HUGE trait as it demonstrates the Predator's power of the world the heroes are trapped in. They clatter around in the jungle, while he lurks above them, dominating his surrounding and filling US the viewer with a sense that the heroes have wandered into a "haunted forest" dominated by one very dangerous "ghost").
- Remains hidden. When Blain separates from the team, it stuns and kills him with a ranged weapon. (Opportunistic. Also likes to attack from ranged safety. Stealthy).
- It somewhat reveals itself to Mac and taunts him. Still largely hidden. (It is sadistic, malicious, and understands the effect its actions are having on others).
- Its actions get itself shot, it then heals itself. (It's ego can get the better of it, but it's intelligent and competent enough to heal complex wounds).
- Comes back for Blain's body, dodges the trip wires. (Considers its kills its possessions, has some kind of relationship to the kills it makes (i.e. Pride), and is highly competent at avoiding capture. Stealthy.)
- Implied by Anna's story that this creature's species has been visiting Earth for some kind and killing people for trophies. (It has a relationship with mankind that is hostile and based on killing for sport).
- It gets within 1m of Dutch, without being detected, without triggering a trap, in front of multiple armed men staring directly at it. (Incredibly stealthy - amazingly so, open to taking incredibly dangerous and daring risks - egotistical).
- When trapped and loses the upper hand, immediately regains the upper hand, injuring one opponent - Poncho - and escaping the trap. (Finds natural traps harder to see, highly competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Briefly reveals itself to the team after they caught it. (Likes to taunt and/or respects them - has a mental relationship to its prey as well as physical one)
- Recognises it's being tracked and ambushed. Gets the jump on and dispatches Mac. (Intelligent, competent, ruthless. Stealthy).
- Doesn't hunt unarmed people. No sport. (Movie clearly states what its goal is - kill for sport, or rather, pleasure. Has made the previous and following decisions based on this pleasure principle. It takes into account other factors, such as survival, but its primary motivation is doing things it finds pleasurable, in this case, hunting competent prey)
- Taunts Dillon with his dead teammates's voice, referencing their previous encounter, disarms, and butchers him. (Sadistic, intelligent, incredibly violent and competent, mastery of its weaponry).
- Dispatches Billy effortlessly, sneaks up on the team, kills Poncho effortlessly, and destroys Dutches weapon (competent, competent, competent, stealthy, focused and relentless in pursuit of its goal)
- Corners Dutch by the waterfall, loses track of him due to its vision. (Competent, relentless, focused, vulnerable)
- Takes skulls, cleans them, worships them. (Takes ownership of its victims as prizes, no respect for human life, brutal, views its victims as its possessions).
- Takes care of its gear - or whatever the f**k the wrist blade glowing is. Accepts an open challenge from its prey. (Conscientious, brave).
- Sneaks into Dutch's arena, when cornered opens fire until it gets a track on its invisible prey. In a cat mouse battle where IT CAN'T SEE its opponent, manages to lure it into a cave, corner it, and when it escapes, trick shot a shoulder cannon blast off to trap it. Note, it does this with damaged gear, which the movie makes clear. (Highly f**king competent, very capable, more cunning and intelligent than a highly intelligent and cunning soldier, thinks fast even when on the back foot, its power doesn't come from its gear but from its competence and intelligence, mastery of its weaponry).
- Captures Dutch despite being blind to him for most of their fight, but when it can kill him, instead gives him to chance to fight it hand to hand. (Competent, Capable of respect, sadistic, pride)
- Spots a trap it is almost entirely blind to, gets caught by another one through what is largely just bad luck. (Competent)
- When defeated, blows itself away laughing in the voice of its enemy's dead friend. (Sadistic, understands human communication, intelligent).
So you can see how its various choices and actions develop its character in a way that make it unique. It doesn't just kill its prey - its incredibly stealthy, incredibly patient, has complete mastery over its world, mastery over its weaponry seizes opportunities, kills most of its victims without them having any idea what's after them, very intelligent, more competent than its human prey (even when largely BLIND to its prey and its traps), and incredibly sadistic on an almost personal level.
We see this as it kills a handful of people we have come to know, and it does so in a very specific way. The result is a villain that feels incredibly powerful and has a memorable way of undertaking what it chooses to undertake - that is specific to it as a character. This sense of unique character traits is what makes it such a special villain.
In short: a Predator is much more than just an alien that hunts for sport. He is a character who behaves a certain way.
If you make a movie where a Predator is just an alien that hunts for sport, then the only difference between it and any other slasher villain is its DNA and its job description.
Which brings me to Prey...
While the creature is called a Predator, and even does some Predatory things, and even has a Predatory aesthetic ... He doesn't behave or make choices like a Predator. He just wanders around killing animals and people. Aside from how he looks... What really is he? He's just a generic violent unstoppable movie monster.
No intelligence. No patience. No opportunism. No personal sadism. No competence that distinguishes him above and beyond everyone else's competence. No predilection for stealth.
Just wanders round killing and letting everyone have a look. There is no distinction between his world of the trees where he's master of the forest ... he shares our world and just walks around in it like we do. This Predator has very little that distinguishes his character - he's just a butcher. Which is one of the Predator's traits, but not his whole personality. This guy doesn't even have mastery of his gear, or behave in much of a way that considers its own survival.
A Predator takes risks, and its egotistical. But its not an idiot. It also CHOOSES to stalk its prey as opposed to jumping in and butchering it. This is one of the FIRST decisions that distinguishes it as a villain. The second we see his vision we learn... this guy likes to watch. to take his time. to understand. AKA: he's smart.
And sure, you can tell me in Prey he's a young predator, it's his first hunt, and so on... But this is just a weak excuse for the villain lacking most of the character traits that make his kind memorable and impressive as villains. It's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie but removing his twisted sense of humor and personal philosophy ... He's no longer the Joker he's just a smart guy.
When it comes to Prey's predator you're essentially saying "Yeah but he's not competent and not smart and doesn't do that whole invisible stalker thing!" ... which basically means he doesn't have the character traits that make a Predator interesting, charismatic, and imposing.
OR worse yet, he's just shit. And for a girl power film ... it kind sucks that you've lumped her with the incompetent Predator. Ripley blasted the perfect organism out the airlock ... Why can't Naaru face a hyper competent cunning Predator?
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So yeah, the film is well made, well shot, and entertaining - but commits the same sin every Predator movie does... it doesn't actually contain a Predator character in any way shape or form. It just has some lad cosplaying as one.
(Incidentally A L I E N faced this same problem after the first movie. Big Chap became a bug. Poor Anytime became Jason Voorhees).
That's my two cents. I could say more, but this post is long enough. May God have mercy on your soul for reading it, but thank you if you do. <3
Terrible take
I agree with Mike
The first predator movie it is possible he had been on earth a long time and equipment was broke?
You could make up reasons for water and cloaking being different in each movie I suppose.
Loved it. Best Film since the original. The Predator's Tech was crazy good. I just loved the whole nature aspect of the film. The Native American and Colonial Soldier aspect was nicely done as well. I know in the comics The Predators did take them on plus the gun in "Predator 2" which she had. Very suspenseful and had me at the edge of my seat. This film made the Predator scary again. Congrats to all the Predator Fans out there. Great Film. Definitely watching it again.
My 2 Cents (and Very, very, very short) Review!
Originally i voted 3/5 but after seing it 2/3 more times i changed my mid. 4/5.
My 1/2 only problem with the movie is the face. That´s a Cool Face but i would prefer to see the "original" face. A Little thing here, a little thing there. But somewhat the original design. This Yautja remembers of the Spaceballs Dark Helmet "I am your father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate"
The second is the Andolini story.
"if ain't broke don't fix it"
Regards..
Quote from: Rudiger on Aug 07, 2022, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 06:24:36 PMSo a sequel is likely?
Almost certainly, but not on the big screen. If not another streamed movie, it might switch to tv. It's an established franchise with a loyal fan base that no longer has (expensive) star quality attached, so relatively low risk / cheap to make.
I think another movie is likely, especially with the positive response. It's a good time to be a Predator fan right now.
Just a random thought. It's interesting that Feral's hunting style is arrogant and brutish. He often attacks multiple groups of people at once. Head on. It's very polar opposite of the traditional way predators hunt. Okay, so a little fansplaining ahead but I wonder if feral's demise fundamentally change how predators hunt. I think it's safe to assume that other predators were watching this unfold. To quote Roland in predators: "they learn quick, they adapt, they develop a whole new set of skills." I bet ALL of the other predators were like NOPE. That's not how we're going to hunt this prey.
Where is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
I know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
I found it entertaining, but I had a lot of issues with it.
1. Did the Feral Predator really not understand how his own weapon worked? He seemed inept throughout the film, whether it what getting caught in the trap, being surprised numerous times, tricked, etc.
2. Naru was fine and Amber Midthunder did a good job. But it was a bit jarring to see her struggle in the beginning of the film with throwing the axe, being scared of the lion, etc. to then suddenly show bravery against an intergalactic creature of great speed and strength.
3. The soundtrack. I missed Silvestri's score. Any of it. Just a tinge. Maybe even during the credits?
4. The design of the Predator. Stan Winston is a legend. Why change perfection?
Quote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 10:00:26 AMGreat post!
After first viewing I was very pleased with this movie, although I had this sense of "this doesn't feel like predator".
After second viewing my doubts were crystalized. This creature is literally a Jason or Michael Myers character. Actually, even Michael Myers has more depth to him. This is just an unstoppable killing machine.
My opinion has changed drastically. I no longer think this is a good Predator movie.
I will watch the original today to wash this feeling out.
Man, the atmosphere of the original is something else. There's this constant sense of unease and weirdness.
Yes, it has a pervasive atmosphere of evil that surrounds it. Right down to the ominous noise that plays whenever the camera zooms in on the trees it's in, or the way the forest is shot when they first fast rope in (like it's a haunted forest). There's a sense that something very evil is present within this jungle.
This is very deliberate. Predator doesn't have much characterization for its heroes, but what it does have is clear. Dutch is a killer who at least thinks of himself as someone who only kills to save people ("we're a rescue team, not assassins" "Don't do this kind of work."). The Predator is his inverse - it kills for the sake of killing. It's the nightmare of the world he engages in. Is he really, at the bottom of things any different?
Like him, it gets dropped off into a foreign environment and hunts men. They just do it for different reasons. But the outcome - slaughtering people - is the same.
When he asks him what it is... it responds in kind.
I don't think it's any coincidence the film ends on such a downer. Dutch is staring off into the distance, jaded. The man has journeyed into a haunted forest and faced his evil shadow.
The Predator having an all-consuming, pervasive aura of evil is pretty integral to it. It worships death and is literally summoned by violence. You bring it upon yourself by committing evil acts.* Note that in the film it's never referred to as an alien... it's referred to as a Demon. Which is, in essence, what it truly is.**
To its credit, Prey actually kind of does something like this...
Naru and her people hunt to feed and to survive - they don't kill unnecessarily. The Predator hunts for glory/pleasure. The trappers hunt for wealth. Both are evil, but the film doesn't really go anywhere with this or truly create a sense of dread. More just presents the parallel and leaves it at that. The Predator isn't evil so much as another violent selfish asshole who's come to her land to exploit it - he doesn't have that demonic presence.
* Another note, Dutch's men aren't really "good" guys. Blain is a hyper-masculine thug who calls people faggots. Mac is unhinged and threatens to murder people on his own team. Dillon thinks warfare is a game. On some level, they deserve what's coming to them. Naru's tribe however are kind of victims? Some are dicks to her, but nothing too bad other than that. Nothing warranting summoning evil.
**If I remember rightly, McTiernan didn't even want the shot of the spacecraft dropping the Predator off at the start. The film would have had the soldiers chopper in, encounter this evil creature, then the last survivor choppers out.
This is turning into a great discussion. Nothing touches the original Predator imo because of the atmosphere and weirdness that is being discussed. It really does feel like a demon is out in the jungle haunting these men. Almost like a sick karmic comeuppance for all the violence they've justified in their hearts. Everything from the musical cues, camera shots, pov shots, and the perverted use of Billy's laughter in the end is just next level. That jungle in the original really felt haunted and cursed by the presence of the demon. That's why I think Predator 2 works too. It retains that karmic and demonic element. It's also no coincidence that the predators target the spiritual leaders in both movies as trophies, Billy and King Willie. If Prey had gone more into the Thunderbird and "monster" mythos of their culture I think it would have sent it to the level of these first two movies.
My thoughts on PREY?
5/10.
It's a really average movie. Overhyped if anything. More of a movie to rent than add to the DVD shelf. It's a movie to watch once, then maybe forget about.
Do I hate it? No... I don't hate the movie. But I don't exactly like it either.
I didn't like the design of Feral though. I really would've preferred a classic type Predator. However, I really did like how he killed the bear and that was it.
Quote from: RIP77 on Aug 07, 2022, 05:42:57 PMIs it a mistake that water does not affect the Predator in PREY and it does in Predator 2?
Older hardware is actually sometimes more robust.
Like that story, NASA developed a technological marvel of a pen that was designed to work in zero gravity so the astronauts could write stuff down. Their Soviet/Russian cosmonaut counterparts ... used a pencil.
Or cars. Older cars with simpler, user-servicable engines can run for decades. Modern cars which are half computer? Not so much.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 07, 2022, 07:12:52 PMNaru is far from a John Wick Mary Sue that so many here keep insisting,
When someone mentions Mary Sue, I immediately think of Rey from Star Wars and that just shows me how much of a contrast there is between Rey and Naru. And then I look back to previous Predator films and that's when one realizes that there's little to no character development in previous films aside from Dillon from the first film and maybe Royce? Like, Naru is like of the few protagonists who has a complete character arc, so it feels like her story is finished and we'll most likely get a new character in the next film if she doesn't come back, I kinda hope she does, and she grows as a character so it makes her journey that much more believable.
On that note, calling her a Mary Sue just feels disingenuous to me, so I agree on those points. But I will admit, that final blow could've been better.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Aug 08, 2022, 02:56:40 AMLike that story, NASA developed a technological marvel of a pen that was designed to work in zero gravity so the astronauts could write stuff down. Their Soviet/Russian cosmonaut counterparts ... used a pencil.
Apocryphal, unfortunately.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/# (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/#)
What do we think happens at the end? I'm guessing the Preds who arrive either kill everyone and take the pistol, or pay tribute to the kill - let them live but take the pistol.
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 08, 2022, 03:48:47 AMWhat do we think happens at the end? I'm guessing the Preds who arrive either kill everyone and take the pistol, or pay tribute to the kill - let them live but take the pistol.
I'm guessing they have a sort of communion together where they pay respect to each others tribes and exchange offerings.
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 08, 2022, 01:02:43 AMQuote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 10:00:26 AMGreat post!
After first viewing I was very pleased with this movie, although I had this sense of "this doesn't feel like predator".
After second viewing my doubts were crystalized. This creature is literally a Jason or Michael Myers character. Actually, even Michael Myers has more depth to him. This is just an unstoppable killing machine.
My opinion has changed drastically. I no longer think this is a good Predator movie.
I will watch the original today to wash this feeling out.
Man, the atmosphere of the original is something else. There's this constant sense of unease and weirdness.
Yes, it has a pervasive atmosphere of evil that surrounds it. Right down to the ominous noise that plays whenever the camera zooms in on the trees it's in, or the way the forest is shot when they first fast rope in (like it's a haunted forest). There's a sense that something very evil is present within this jungle.
This is very deliberate. Predator doesn't have much characterization for its heroes, but what it does have is clear. Dutch is a killer who at least thinks of himself as someone who only kills to save people ("we're a rescue team, not assassins" "Don't do this kind of work."). The Predator is his inverse - it kills for the sake of killing. It's the nightmare of the world he engages in. Is he really, at the bottom of things any different?
Like him, it gets dropped off into a foreign environment and hunts men. They just do it for different reasons. But the outcome - slaughtering people - is the same.
When he asks him what it is... it responds in kind.
I don't think it's any coincidence the film ends on such a downer. Dutch is staring off into the distance, jaded. The man has journeyed into a haunted forest and faced his evil shadow.
The Predator having an all-consuming, pervasive aura of evil is pretty integral to it. It worships death and is literally summoned by violence. You bring it upon yourself by committing evil acts.* Note that in the film it's never referred to as an alien... it's referred to as a Demon. Which is, in essence, what it truly is.**
To its credit, Prey actually kind of does something like this...
Naru and her people hunt to feed and to survive - they don't kill unnecessarily. The Predator hunts for glory/pleasure. The trappers hunt for wealth. Both are evil, but the film doesn't really go anywhere with this or truly create a sense of dread. More just presents the parallel and leaves it at that. The Predator isn't evil so much as another violent selfish asshole who's come to her land to exploit it - he doesn't have that demonic presence.
* Another note, Dutch's men aren't really "good" guys. Blain is a hyper-masculine thug who calls people faggots. Mac is unhinged and threatens to murder people on his own team. Dillon thinks warfare is a game. On some level, they deserve what's coming to them. Naru's tribe however are kind of victims? Some are dicks to her, but nothing too bad other than that. Nothing warranting summoning evil.
**If I remember rightly, McTiernan didn't even want the shot of the spacecraft dropping the Predator off at the start. The film would have had the soldiers chopper in, encounter this evil creature, then the last survivor choppers out.
I love how when Anna is telling the story of demon who makes throphies of men, Dillon is rolling his eyes like "you can't be serious", but Dutch is listening with interest and taking it seriously.
I love the angle of Predator as demon or karma personified. I was rewatching the original yesterday and looking at Dutch and the team just brutally killing everyone and thought about the same thing.
I missed the parallel of Dutch being dropped in the jungle in very much the same way as the Predator.
Man the movie is a lot more than some popcorn fun.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 08, 2022, 04:12:14 AMQuote from: Huntsman on Aug 08, 2022, 03:48:47 AMWhat do we think happens at the end? I'm guessing the Preds who arrive either kill everyone and take the pistol, or pay tribute to the kill - let them live but take the pistol.
I'm guessing they have a sort of communion together where they pay respect to each others tribes and exchange offerings.
I'm thinking along the same lines too. Similar to how they respected Harrigan at the end of Predator 2.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 08, 2022, 06:14:40 AMQuote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 08, 2022, 01:02:43 AMQuote from: overthere on Aug 07, 2022, 10:00:26 AMGreat post!
After first viewing I was very pleased with this movie, although I had this sense of "this doesn't feel like predator".
After second viewing my doubts were crystalized. This creature is literally a Jason or Michael Myers character. Actually, even Michael Myers has more depth to him. This is just an unstoppable killing machine.
My opinion has changed drastically. I no longer think this is a good Predator movie.
I will watch the original today to wash this feeling out.
Man, the atmosphere of the original is something else. There's this constant sense of unease and weirdness.
Yes, it has a pervasive atmosphere of evil that surrounds it. Right down to the ominous noise that plays whenever the camera zooms in on the trees it's in, or the way the forest is shot when they first fast rope in (like it's a haunted forest). There's a sense that something very evil is present within this jungle.
This is very deliberate. Predator doesn't have much characterization for its heroes, but what it does have is clear. Dutch is a killer who at least thinks of himself as someone who only kills to save people ("we're a rescue team, not assassins" "Don't do this kind of work."). The Predator is his inverse - it kills for the sake of killing. It's the nightmare of the world he engages in. Is he really, at the bottom of things any different?
Like him, it gets dropped off into a foreign environment and hunts men. They just do it for different reasons. But the outcome - slaughtering people - is the same.
When he asks him what it is... it responds in kind.
I don't think it's any coincidence the film ends on such a downer. Dutch is staring off into the distance, jaded. The man has journeyed into a haunted forest and faced his evil shadow.
The Predator having an all-consuming, pervasive aura of evil is pretty integral to it. It worships death and is literally summoned by violence. You bring it upon yourself by committing evil acts.* Note that in the film it's never referred to as an alien... it's referred to as a Demon. Which is, in essence, what it truly is.**
To its credit, Prey actually kind of does something like this...
Naru and her people hunt to feed and to survive - they don't kill unnecessarily. The Predator hunts for glory/pleasure. The trappers hunt for wealth. Both are evil, but the film doesn't really go anywhere with this or truly create a sense of dread. More just presents the parallel and leaves it at that. The Predator isn't evil so much as another violent selfish asshole who's come to her land to exploit it - he doesn't have that demonic presence.
* Another note, Dutch's men aren't really "good" guys. Blain is a hyper-masculine thug who calls people faggots. Mac is unhinged and threatens to murder people on his own team. Dillon thinks warfare is a game. On some level, they deserve what's coming to them. Naru's tribe however are kind of victims? Some are dicks to her, but nothing too bad other than that. Nothing warranting summoning evil.
**If I remember rightly, McTiernan didn't even want the shot of the spacecraft dropping the Predator off at the start. The film would have had the soldiers chopper in, encounter this evil creature, then the last survivor choppers out.
I love how when Anna is telling the story of demon who makes throphies of men, Dillon is rolling his eyes like "you can't be serious", but Dutch is listening with interest and taking it seriously.
I love the angle of Predator as demon or karma personified. I was rewatching the original yesterday and looking at Dutch and the team just brutally killing everyone and thought about the same thing.
I missed the parallel of Dutch being dropped in the jungle in very much the same way as the Predator.
Man the movie is a lot more than some popcorn fun.
Well, it IS popcorn fun about an inherently absurd concept (an alien big game hunter who hunts baby oil slicked muscled golden age bodybuilders. It's very b-movie).
BUT John McTiernan is a switched-on director who understands how to draw the essence of a story and make it present.
Guys vs a monster in a forest? He brings out the sense of evil.
Guy saving his wife from a "castle"? He brings out the sense of a fairy tale.
He knows how to squeeze the juice out of a boy's story.
This same thing is part of what makes A L I E N so great. Simple b-movie premise, but give the whole thing a repressed "working with my opposite sex colleagues" energy, then throw in a giant penis-shaped rape monster who's going to force all kinds of sexual evil onto you.
It's in the good category, which does the Predator franchise wonders. After some big disappointments it feels like we're starting to have more good films than bad. Which will especially be the case if they keep making films like this.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 08, 2022, 06:14:40 AMMan the movie is a lot more than some popcorn fun.
I agree. There is a reason we hold it in such high regard. There is just something about it that connects. It has commentary on hunting, spirituality, morality, friendship, etc. The original film just hits perfectly, and it's not even preachy like most modern movies. I still think Predator is underrated to this day. I've been talking to people on Twitter that discovered this franchise because of Prey. I think we're about to see a huge incoming of new Predator fans :)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 12:38:13 AMWhere is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I'm writing it. :)
QuoteI can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
Recording tonight. :)
QuoteI know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
Wont be happening, but if you check his Twitter he hated it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:25 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 12:38:13 AMWhere is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I'm writing it. :)
QuoteI can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
Recording tonight. :)
QuoteI know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
Wont be happening, but if you check his Twitter he hated it.
Are you still recording the a podcast with Dan?
We've got a good few interviews planned for Prey. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:25 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 12:38:13 AMWhere is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I'm writing it. :)
QuoteI can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
Recording tonight. :)
QuoteI know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
Wont be happening, but if you check his Twitter he hated it.
Ouch too bad he hated it, not super surprised. The film has been pretty divisive.
Not a good year for Voodoo
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 08:59:36 AMWe've got a good few interviews planned for Prey. :)
Awesome!
Has it been divisive? I haven't really been getting that impression, not like Prometheus or Covenant.
The majority opinion has very much been in the positive. It's anecdotal of course, but I'm seeing that those of us that do love the film, still have an issue with the redesigned face.
Already watched the movie in English 2 times. Seems like I'm ready to watch it in Comanche! 8)
Yeah the reception has been very positive.
But it has been more divisive in the fan community I think. It's all been anecdotal but I've seen a decent amount of negativity here also.
Well, the poll puts 80% of the votes between the top two categories; and the bottom three at less than 10%. Definitely not devisive in the "marmite" sense of the word.
It has its flaws, but all told, it's a strong piece of work.
I like the film. It's good - not perfect.
It suffers from the usual issues us fans have regarding the redesign of the Predator (mainly the face). Fix that and a lot of the negativity subsides.
I loved this movie and my only gripe is the redesigned face. That's just a personal dislike of the design. I have no issue with it beyond that. Just a different ethnicity to standard and potentially Berserker Preds.
Definitely the most beautifully shot predator movie. Loved the score.
Feral was awesome in every respect ( beyond my dislike of the face).
Awesome stuff.
With the face design. I guess I'm the odd man out because I personally love it. I hope the next flick we see something even more different under the mask than this. Feral is just another type of Predator and if I had my way we would see all the different preds from the comics in one movie or another lol.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 09:12:39 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:25 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 12:38:13 AMWhere is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I'm writing it. :)
QuoteI can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
Recording tonight. :)
QuoteI know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
Wont be happening, but if you check his Twitter he hated it.
Ouch too bad he hated it, not super surprised. The film has been pretty divisive.
Not a good year for Voodoo
apologies this is not what this thread is for but i was so looking to vodoomagic's review. so he is no longer around. (is sm still a member?) so i domt know how tk ask this without sounding a bit offensive. but i wanred the opinion of a hardcore predator fan that very specifically is not that much fan of the alien series as was the case with vm.
sorry if thia comes through as a bit derogarary or offensive. i much value the opinions of all the membeds here but i just wanted a take of someone who s heart and sole is only with the predator series and its lore etc etc.
again i am sorry if this seems a bit offensive. vm was the only guy that was intimarely in love with the predator franchise like i know many people here is with tje alien franchise.
thays the impression i got
Both SM and Voodoo Magic are gone.
For what it's worth, Voodoo hated the movie.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 01:14:01 PMBoth SM and Voodoo Magic are gone.
For what it's worth, Voodoo hated the movie.
I see you over there...👀🤓
Quote from: goose_3387 on Aug 08, 2022, 01:15:40 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 01:14:01 PMBoth SM and Voodoo Magic are gone.
For what it's worth, Voodoo hated the movie.
I see you over there...👀🤓
much appreciated
Watched it again in Comanche language, gave it a more authentic feel and the only version I would want to watch. Again listing the positives and negatives:
SPOILERS
PROS:
- Beautifully shot, definitely the film's strongest point.
- Music was not a retread of the original theme but something new and refreshing which was a nice surprise
- Midhunter is definitely not my favorite protagonist in a predator film but she did a serviceable job, learning from her surroundings, constantly trying to improve herself and become a better warrior not just hunter. The other character worth mentioning is Taabe who was actually the best character and deserved to be the main one. The other characters were disposable.
- Some nice action scenes, none were the predator series highlight but overall the bear fight, wolf chase, french trapper massacre and Taabe vs Feral were good scenes.
- Feral had some nice presence, he is dumb as a rock but at least he is determined.
CONS:
- Over-reliance on CGI which was crap in a lot of scenes, the mountain lion was straight out of 2002, just terrible. The bear looked ok in some scenes, very fake in others. Some fake CGI blood also like when Feral kills Naru's friend in the tall grass or when the bear's blood is spilled over him. In some cases the CGI was great like in the Wolf chasing the rabbit scene but this is an exception
- The end fight was kinda meh, Naru suddenly becoming a ninja and jumping all over Feral's back, slicing him all over, making him look like a chump. She seemed too over skilled for me. Also why did Feral spare her life every chance he got? It's said he didn't see her as a threat but that was no reason for him to ignore her like several times.
- Feral was basically a tank not interested in hunting that much, also he wasn't that smart getting tricked by his own equipment twice. This guy will get massacred by Jungle hunter.
- The movie tends to cut away from the violence numerous times, don't know why. The camera pulls away from the more gory bits and cuts some parts that didn't need to be cut. No idea why they chose to go this way but the movie was definitely more tame than I hoped. Only Predators is more tame in the franchise.
Overall a solid 7/10. Third best behind the first two (P2 will probably remain the best sequel forever) but above Predators and miles ahead of the predator which was a travesty apart from some nice violence here and there.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 01:07:59 PMapologies this is not what this thread is for but i was so looking to vodoomagic's review. so he is no longer around. (is sm still a member?) so i domt know how tk ask this without sounding a bit offensive. but i wanred the opinion of a hardcore predator fan that very specifically is not that much fan of the alien series as was the case with vm.
sorry if thia comes through as a bit derogarary or offensive. i much value the opinions of all the membeds here but i just wanted a take of someone who s heart and sole is only with the predator series and its lore etc etc.
again i am sorry if this seems a bit offensive. vm was the only guy that was intimarely in love with the predator franchise like i know many people here is with tje alien franchise.
thays the impression i got
Nothing offensive in what you said, no need to be sorry. Many members here enjoy both Alien and Predator media but rarely to same extent. I'm myself enjoy them both but through the years came to the consclusuin I love Alien more.
I would like to hear Voodoo's opinion on the movie as well. I knew he won't be pleased with Feral the second I saw it unmasked but kinda surprised to hear he hated the movie
Yeah Voodoo's got a take similar to Sil, only VM liked it even less.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 08, 2022, 02:05:02 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 01:07:59 PMapologies this is not what this thread is for but i was so looking to vodoomagic's review. so he is no longer around. (is sm still a member?) so i domt know how tk ask this without sounding a bit offensive. but i wanred the opinion of a hardcore predator fan that very specifically is not that much fan of the alien series as was the case with vm.
sorry if thia comes through as a bit derogarary or offensive. i much value the opinions of all the membeds here but i just wanted a take of someone who s heart and sole is only with the predator series and its lore etc etc.
again i am sorry if this seems a bit offensive. vm was the only guy that was intimarely in love with the predator franchise like i know many people here is with tje alien franchise.
thays the impression i got
Nothing offensive in what you said, no need to be sorry. Many members here enjoy both Alien and Predator media but rarely to same extent. I'm myself enjoy them both but through the years came to the consclusuin I love Alien more.
I would like to hear Voodoo's opinion on the movie as well. I knew he won't be pleased with Feral the second I saw it unmasked but kinda surprised to hear he hated the movie
ty
thats the thing. i want to know why some one deeply in love with pred franchise and years accumulating imterviews etc etc hates this movie. ty
Voodoo based almost his entire identity on the forum on complaining about ADI Predator faces, right down to that ridiculous signature. So I can't say I'm surprised.
I think another reason this is popular is that it's not the usual blockbuster (which if you haven't gathered I'm completely sick of :laugh: ) , it's one of the reasons I also liked the new ghostbusters movie.
Kinda old school, 2-3 solid action scenes, mostly character/story driven.
It's not often you finish a movie these days and say "I wish that was longer", it's usually the opposite!
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 08, 2022, 02:23:50 PMVoodoo based almost his entire identity on the forum on complaining about ADI Predator faces, right down to that ridiculous signature. So I can't say I'm surprised.
You think he hated it based entirely on new Predator design ? Idk, even for him that sounds too much
From what I read he didn't like a lot of things. He thought the trappers bad comic relief and that the predator was too much like a slasher villain.
I disagree with both points but I get it.
I didn't find the trappers to really be comic relief, but them having to stop and reload their single shot rifles was pretty funny.
That and "ricochet to the face" felt like I was watching a Marvel movie. Liked it tho
The french trappers had the goofy style of some comics or superhero movie villains, yes. But I wouldn't say they served has a comic relief.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 10:31:57 AMThe majority opinion has very much been in the positive. It's anecdotal of course, but I'm seeing that those of us that do love the film, still have an issue with the redesigned face.
Initially I was "caught off guard" myself, but I think it's actually growing on me though.
@oduoduAs a hardcore predator fan myself I love this movie including the new Predator. There :)
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 08, 2022, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Aug 08, 2022, 02:23:50 PMVoodoo based almost his entire identity on the forum on complaining about ADI Predator faces, right down to that ridiculous signature. So I can't say I'm surprised.
You think he hated it based entirely on new Predator design ? Idk, even for him that sounds too much
his very melodramatic tweets about this movie were pretty funny. And he started those talking about the face design, above everything else.
Can you post some of these ?
search for @fnvoodoomagic on twitter.
anyway focusing on the normal audiences...
film is being loved by most critics and film fans. I see lots of fan art popping up (some really great stuff being made atm).
Amber and Prey (and other Predator films) have been trending for the last few days on twitter.
Film is getting love by other very talented directors (barry jenkins for instance)
It's not a divisive movie at all.
anecdotally, talking to some people on reddit/fan discords...
they tend to stay clear off this forum due to how some of the more negative people carry themselves.
Not saying people can't dislike the film or aspects of it... but maybe consider how the way you interact with others affects the overall community. Maybe don't be weird reply guys that only repeat the same negative takes every time someone writes anything vaguely positive.
(the very positive poll in this very site about Prey vs a lot of the comments... kinda says a lot).
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 08, 2022, 03:44:43 PM@oduodu
As a hardcore predator fan myself I love this movie including the new Predator. There :)
that is great. how do you rate it against the original?
and do you think feral predator feels more like a super predator(from Predators) than a normal predator like jungle hunter.
do you think the ship that brought the feral predator contained super or normal predators?
i have a theory that the feral predator is a super predator captured by normal predators when he was very young and never received a full education. here released on earth as an attempt to Guage the available prey strength on earth.
I can just feel
@Corporal Hicks internal anguish over all these "super-predators" being brought up
@oduodu The way this movie plays out and the way it was written and what not I'm not sure super preds play any role in the grand scheme of things. I think the idea of super predators sort of falls in line with every other kind of predator out there in the way of the fact that there are many different types of preds. The way the movie played it would seem that Prey depicts the first time any predator has been on earth because clearly Feral wasn't aware of human kind as he searched for the most threatening species. We don't exactly know when the super preds even became a thing. We're they around 300 years ago? It's fun to speculate. I personally didn't see Feral as being like any other predator which for me was really refreshing. There are different Predator clans sure, but they are all still individuals just like us.
And as far as where I would rank Prey in relation to the original, that's extremely subjective I think. For me personally I put it right along side the 87 movie. I've watched Predator 87 so many damn times I think I am able to see that movie for what it is, both the good and the bad, just like I am able to see Prey for what it is. Both are fantastic.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 08, 2022, 05:25:44 PM@oduodu
The way this movie plays out and the way it was written and what not I'm not sure super preds play any role in the grand scheme of things. I think the idea of super predators sort of falls in line with every other kind of predator out there in the way of the fact that there are many different types of preds. The way the movie played it would seem that Prey depicts the first time any predator has been on earth because clearly Feral wasn't aware of human kind as he searched for the most threatening species. We don't exactly know when the super preds even became a thing. We're they around 300 years ago? It's fun to speculate. I personally didn't see Feral as being like any other predator which for me was really refreshing. There are different Predator clans sure, but they are all still individuals just like us.
so perhaps there is a chance that feral and the rest of the crew on the ship is a completely new tribe of predators. interesting
ty
Could be, we just have no way of knowing, which honestly I think adds more for us to chew on than showing us the inside of the ship. Hell it could have had no one at all in it and could have been autopiloted.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 04:35:55 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 08, 2022, 03:44:43 PM@oduodu
As a hardcore predator fan myself I love this movie including the new Predator. There :)
that is great. how do you rate it against the original?
and do you think feral predator feels more like a super predator(from Predators) than a normal predator like jungle hunter.
do you think the ship that brought the feral predator contained super or normal predators?
i have a theory that the feral predator is a super predator captured by normal predators when he was very young and never received a full education. here released on earth as an attempt to Guage the available prey strength on earth.
As a predator hardcore fan I really enjoyed this film. The cinematography really captured the atmosphere and setting.
I enjoyed Naru and her brother Taabe. I thought they had excellent chemistry together. If you look at my previous posts before Prey was released I voiced my concerns about how Naru might be portrayed in today's woke atmosphere. I can honestly say I didn't feel that this was a woke film in the slightest. Naru's journey was well earned.
I've mentioned ad nazium how different Feral felt in this film but I honestly enjoyed that aspect too. I think without too much fansplaining it helps add individuality among the predators. As I've previously mentioned I believe Feral absolutely knows how to use his weapons as he dispatches numerous parties with ease. I think head trauma and arrogance get the better of him in the end.
Feral's weapons were interesting and it was fun watching him on screen. My one gripe is that I wasn't crazy about the face redesign. It was just okay for me.
Lastly I loved the score. I thought it was different and unique. I didn't mind that we had no Musical cues of previous films which leads to Prey's individuality. Overall I'd say 7/10.
I liked Prey a lot more than I thought I would. It had solid predator action, decent pacing, and its probably been my most enjoyable experience with the franchise since Predators. I didn't like it as much as P1/P2/Predators but I do think it's better than all the other entries featuring the Predator. Definitely would see it in a theater if it was ever an option.
I have my gripes and stuff I would tweak to make it more enjoyable for me, but its not as long of a list as the one for The Predator.
Spoiler
There was some stuff about the movie I would have changed/liked to see differently. All just my opinion and I'm there's some other people who probably have a better opinion/ideas than mine.
I would have liked to see more of Taabe, what we get is good but I would have liked to see the siblings relationship fleshed out a little more. I would have preferred if there was less of the "coming of age" and "I want to hunt because you think I can't" stuff. Swapping those aspects out for more of a sibling rivalry/competition thing would have worked more for me.
A larger confrontation with the French trappers as the main backdrop of the movie would have been a good choice. The trapper's kind of come out of left field and I think it would have benefitted the plot if they were a constant threat that the predator inadvertently helps the tribe get rid of. The bait and switch with the buffalo was rather good.
I think showing the Predator as early as they did wasn't the best choice, alluding to him being there but not actually showing him to build tension would have been cool. I would have liked his reveal be the fight with the bear as opposed to the snake and the dog. The bear fight is perfect, and I wouldn't change a thing.
Everything from the trapper camp to the final confrontation is all solid and I would have changed very little about any of that. It's all shot very well and gives us plenty of new stuff and personality from Feral.
My biggest problem with the movie is the final fight. I would have saved Taabes death until this fight. We don't see a whole lot of him until the trapper encampment so having him work with Naru against Feral for a much longer finale fight would have been nice.
The final confrontation we do get just feels way too short, and it isn't anywhere near as brutal as P1/P2/Predators and I think that choice was made because filmmakers now are afraid to actually show female protagonists take any kind of damage or ugly them up. I think Naru could have benefitted from getting a scar or two while ultimately outsmarting Feral for a win.
Feral's death is...to be honest it is very lame. I don't understand how or why he forgot how his own weapon worked? If the weapons targeting is dependent on the laser, then why would you try and "iron sight" it like a regular weapon? It's a cheap death and I think they could have done a much better job there.
Lastly there's the pistol from P2...I know there's some allusions in the post credits illustration, but I really think this should have been left out. It felt kind of forced and the comic just tells a way better story than the movie.
Since the spear weapon's targeting system keeps coming up, every time we see it used we always see the projectile directly forward in its initial thrust of movement, before the targeting system actually kicks in and takes over to redirect. When Feral is firing without his mask on, he's still aiming at his targets even though he isn't actually locking onto them with the mask. Naru planted herself just a bit too far out of range for the projectile to hit her before the targeting system kicked in and redirected it. Had she been a foot closer where Feral was planted in the quicksand, she would have been dead.
Nothing about the way Feral uses the weapon, in the final fight there or in any prior scene, makes him seem incompetent to me, in regards to understanding how his tech works. Naru kept herself out of range, and Feral misjudged his shot/the distance (and hey, we know from the original film that without the mask on, a Predator's vision isn't all that hot).
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 08, 2022, 05:50:31 PMa Predator's vision isn't all that hot).
They are rather blind without the mask, it seems to me. :P Relay heavily on their tech in some regards.
Quote from: GreybackElder on Aug 08, 2022, 05:35:58 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 04:35:55 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 08, 2022, 03:44:43 PM@oduodu
As a hardcore predator fan myself I love this movie including the new Predator. There :)
that is great. how do you rate it against the original?
and do you think feral predator feels more like a super predator(from Predators) than a normal predator like jungle hunter.
do you think the ship that brought the feral predator contained super or normal predators?
i have a theory that the feral predator is a super predator captured by normal predators when he was very young and never received a full education. here released on earth as an attempt to Guage the available prey strength on earth.
As a predator hardcore fan I really enjoyed this film. The cinematography really captured the atmosphere and setting.
I enjoyed Naru and her brother Taabe. I thought they had excellent chemistry together. If you look at my previous posts before Prey was released I voiced my concerns about how Naru might be portrayed in today's woke atmosphere. I can honestly say I didn't feel that this was a woke film in the slightest. Naru's journey was well earned.
I've mentioned ad nazium how different Feral felt in this film but I honestly enjoyed that aspect too. I think without too much fansplaining it helps add individuality among the predators. As I've previously mentioned I believe Feral absolutely knows how to use his weapons as he dispatches numerous parties with ease. I think head trauma and arrogance get the better of him in the end.
Feral's weapons were interesting and it was fun watching him on screen. My one gripe is that I wasn't crazy about the face redesign. It was just okay for me.
Lastly I loved the score. I thought it was different and unique. I didn't mind that we had no Musical cues of previous films which leads to Prey's individuality. Overall I'd say 7/10.
does it contain - diminish or add to what drew you to the franchise initially?
Predator
Predator 2
Prey
Predators (How anyone like this, is beyound me... read a leaked script way before it came out... and I was like... "Wow, that sucked, but sure this will be worked on...", how wrong can one be.
But as when I thought Alien3 coulden't be any worse... Alien4 came and proved Alien3 is in fact a polished-turd.
The same can be said about "Predators", Since the wonderful interpretation in "The predator".
Suddenly Predators seems pretty good, right? No at all as, turdy, as before...
Then we have the awful AVP-movies... I actually think nr.2 is better, mostly becouse I can't stand that smug ass Pual WS Andersson.
Uwe Boll - Plz do AVP 3 now... plz.
Can't seem to edit my typos, but you get most of it I think...
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 08, 2022, 04:10:24 PM(The very positive poll in this very site about Prey vs a lot of the comments... kinda says a lot).
Lots of people obsessed with the idea of what a Alien or Predator film "should be" instead of just good entertainment or even art featuring them.
And in reply to the post directly above, no Alien³ was always good, it mainly got loudly whined about by Americans when it came out and that's not changed whereas everyone I meet in real life actually likes it.
Concerning the bolt gun weapon. I previously posted about how the bolts don't start tracking until later in the projectiles trajectory. This is further demonstrated in the movie by the fact that there is a sound queue that starts when the bolts start tracking. This means the weapon can he "hip fired" at close range. When we see the predator fire the bolt gun at close range and barely miss his targets we then hear the bolts seek out the targeting reticle. At no point did the Predator forget how his gun works hes just a bad shot when it comes to hip firing without his bio mask.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 08, 2022, 06:20:04 PMAnd in reply to the post directly above, no Alien³ was always good, it mainly got loudly whined about by Americans when it came out and that's not changed whereas everyone I meet in real life actually likes it.
They'll never get over Hicks and Newt
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 07, 2022, 01:50:42 PMQuote from: dnicholson277 on Aug 07, 2022, 11:03:02 AMNone of the Predators survive their hunts against humans. This Predators are amazing hunters is in our heads.
I'd like that to change for at least one future film. Because we all know how the films end by this point.
The Predator could have been ran off by some back up from the Commanches while wounded. Sets up that Humans are cagey and to bring plasma casters next time
Well it's not just that.
It's that David Fincher wasen't allowed to do the movie he wanted.
The setting with prisoners is just all wrong - I don't f**king care... kill them xeno, plz!
Killing the hero's from the previous, that also Jim Cameron said about Prometheus/covenant, was
realy something he would never do... (goodbye, john connor...)
When I think of it, Prey and Alien3 is pretty similar...
Forgettable characters - check! all prisoners/all indians... and some minor french fodder you diden't care about either.)
Simple "Jason/Friday the 13th" plot (as someone discribed it.)
"The predator isen't a predator any more/the Alien isent an Alien anymore"-debate it.
Can we keep things on topic please, plenty of other places to discuss that particular "film". ;) Need to give Prey a rewatch in a few days time, when I'm somewhere a bit more Wi-Fi friendly. Is the Comanche dub a Hulu exclusive or can you get it on Disney + too?
Yeah they are pretty similar though, they get similar criticisms that do not jive with me, and I loved both.
Agree. And I actually enjoyed Prey... was waaaaay over my expectations.
Sure one can alway's see flaws, but I tried to enjoy it and not think too much about the details...
was a good movie... simple and on the point with a pre-historic Yautja that probably belong to a diffrent tribe then we've seen before... hence why it act and look diffrent...
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 08, 2022, 06:32:03 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 08, 2022, 06:20:04 PMAnd in reply to the post directly above, no Alien³ was always good, it mainly got loudly whined about by Americans when it came out and that's not changed whereas everyone I meet in real life actually likes it.
They'll never get over Hicks and Newt
That's because it upset people.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 07:25:57 PMThat's because it upset people Americans
Like Blue said, I too have never met anyone IRL who had seen it and wasn't neutral to positive in their opinions on it.
Quote from: D-13 on Aug 08, 2022, 07:20:53 PMAgree. And I actually enjoyed Prey... was waaaaay over my expectations.
Yeah, after seeing it my hesitation to it doesn't seem fair. Even with my gripes its still a good movie and would have been worth the cost of admission if it'd been a theatrical release
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 08, 2022, 07:35:34 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 07:25:57 PMThat's because it upset people Americans
Like Blue said, I too have never met anyone IRL who had seen it and wasn't neutral to positive in their opinions on it.
Yeah, we have hipsters here too.
"It had a great atmosphere but was a bit hard to follow" seems to be the most common take, and is hardly a hipster-ish "well akshually".
I've never met anyone who liked it.
46% on Rotten Tomatoes, and I've never met anyone who liked it either. But that's by the by, this is a Prey thread (currently over 90% on RT) so not relevant. :D
Predator 2 is 30 %. You see how using RT as a proof of anything kinda doesn't work ?
I dunno, seems accurate for a niche schlock movie.
A few years back I had a buddy of mine tell me he liked Alien 3 the most after Alien. Just a regular viewer too, not a super fan like us. General audiences definitely view the franchise in a much different lens than some of us in the fandom.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 08, 2022, 07:59:08 PMI've never met anyone who liked it.
As far as Australians go Clara has though.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 08, 2022, 08:12:22 PMA few years back I had a buddy of mine tell me he liked Alien 3 the most after Alien. Just a regular viewer too, not a super fan like us. General audiences definitely view the franchise in a much different lens than some of us in the fandom.
I got this reaction just recently.
At least Prey wasn't boring. I'll give it that much.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 08, 2022, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 08, 2022, 07:59:08 PMI've never met anyone who liked it.
As far as Australians go Clara has though.
Not quite up myself enough to try to say that me not meeting another person who liked it meant there was no one else in the country who did :P
I rely on you to speak for all Australians.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 08:19:44 PMI rely on you to speak for all Australians.
Those shoes are too big, you need SM.
Did SM dig this movie?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 08:19:44 PMI rely on you to speak for all Australians.
If we go by that logic, Ukraine enjoyed Prey quite a bit. And loves Alien 3
I gave it a 3/5 in this poll. It was literally mid, as the TikTok kids would say.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 08, 2022, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 08, 2022, 08:12:22 PMA few years back I had a buddy of mine tell me he liked Alien 3 the most after Alien. Just a regular viewer too, not a super fan like us. General audiences definitely view the franchise in a much different lens than some of us in the fandom.
I got this reaction just recently.
He even hinted that he wasn't the biggest fan of Aliens. Thought the depressing tone of 3 was more in line with what he liked in Alien, which I thought was a very interesting take. He's a very talented artist friend of mine who I respect a lot, so I was curious to hear why. He just liked how mean and dark it was, and thought the franchise lost some of that in Aliens. Interesting take for sure.
@oduodu For me Prey adds to the property.
So just finished it. It was pretty good. Loved Feral, the gore, the shots were impressive as well, really good locations they picked to film. Definitely very cool to see Feral interact with the animals before meeting up with humans. I wouldn't say I was totally invested in Naru's journey. That's not to say it was bad. Just...not as good as Dutch's. In the end a decent movie with some great creature effects. Though Feral's defeat was a bit...cheap.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2022, 08:31:55 PMI gave it a 3/5 in this poll. It was literally mid, as the TikTok kids would say.
That's what I gave it. Lots to love, lots to be underwhelmed by.
I will give Prey a solid 8.9/10 its truly better than some of the older!
I didn't like it, but it's a perfectly well-made and acted movie. Pretty shots, good pacing, and characters that largely make sense. It's a solid 7/10 as a film. The Predator just makes me grumpy.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 06:04:12 PMQuote from: GreybackElder on Aug 08, 2022, 05:35:58 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 08, 2022, 04:35:55 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 08, 2022, 03:44:43 PM@oduodu
As a hardcore predator fan myself I love this movie including the new Predator. There :)
Hard to say what drew me to the franchise when I saw it in 90's as a kid.
that is great. how do you rate it against the original?
and do you think feral predator feels more like a super predator(from Predators) than a normal predator like jungle hunter.
do you think the ship that brought the feral predator contained super or normal predators?
i have a theory that the feral predator is a super predator captured by normal predators when he was very young and never received a full education. here released on earth as an attempt to Guage the available prey strength on earth.
As a predator hardcore fan I really enjoyed this film. The cinematography really captured the atmosphere and setting.
I enjoyed Naru and her brother Taabe. I thought they had excellent chemistry together. If you look at my previous posts before Prey was released I voiced my concerns about how Naru might be portrayed in today's woke atmosphere. I can honestly say I didn't feel that this was a woke film in the slightest. Naru's journey was well earned.
I've mentioned ad nazium how different Feral felt in this film but I honestly enjoyed that aspect too. I think without too much fansplaining it helps add individuality among the predators. As I've previously mentioned I believe Feral absolutely knows how to use his weapons as he dispatches numerous parties with ease. I think head trauma and arrogance get the better of him in the end.
Feral's weapons were interesting and it was fun watching him on screen. My one gripe is that I wasn't crazy about the face redesign. It was just okay for me.
Lastly I loved the score. I thought it was different and unique. I didn't mind that we had no Musical cues of previous films which leads to Prey's individuality. Overall I'd say 7/10.
does it contain - diminish or add to what drew you to the franchise initially?
Hard to say if it impacted what initially drew me to the franchise. That's mainly due to the fact that when I first watched the movie as a kid like 30 years ago and how I view it in the present are different.
What I can say is that it's added to my enjoyment of the franchise. After reading some Of the novels and comics I've always wanted to see a predator hunt wildlife. Especially a bear. Soooo needless to say I really enjoyed that moment in Prey.
Ive also wanted to see a period piece with a predator in it. To quote Hicks the great thing about the predator creature is that it's so versatile. You could literally drop it any where throughout history and it would be exciting. I feel like the novel "if it bleeds" really drove that point home.
Prey wasn't a perfect film. While I think it is a great addition to the series there was some things prey left to be desired. I will say that I wish Prey added a little more to the established series lore. I also wish they fleshed out how the Comanche view the predator. Naru mentions a monster from a children's story. I would have liked to seen that explored.
While I think it's cool to see Feral go Beserk on everything and I think it contributes to its individuality I would have liked to see more of the hunting culture. Stalking, trapping etc.
It's really hard to tell, but Predator at some point cuts off the legs of a Commanche and while he's in mid air without legs, he pins him to a tree through the chest.
It just kind of cuts suddenly so it looks like it's going to cut him in half and then suddenly it's pinning him down.
Something I've noticed and I think it applies here, I didn't like the Obi-Wan show, in fact I'd say I was close to hating it, but someone released a cut and it was more enjoyable.
It made me think, how can I watch the same content shuffled in a different way with a different view ( which is weird).
What i think that reveals, is that it comes down to how much you liked the good bits vs how much you disliked the bad bits.
For some it's not much, just the face of the predator could be enough , others it's how believable certain scenes are.
Here it seemed for me the good bits overpowered the bad bits that I hardly gave them much thought. I'm certain also this is to do with the last movie having so many bad bits and fans of both franchises generally being let down a lot.
Prey is the Hamburger and of the franchise. Just a solid meal that most people like depending on how you make it :laugh:
Welcome to life as an editor.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 12:04:20 AMWelcome to life as an editor.
Tough gig, especially if you think different to the guy calling the shots.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 08, 2022, 10:26:58 PMIt's really hard to tell, but Predator at some point cuts off the legs of a Commanche and while he's in mid air without legs, he pins him to a tree through the chest.
It just kind of cuts suddenly so it looks like it's going to cut him in half and then suddenly it's pinning him down.
I'm watching it again and just passed this part.
It pins him and chops his legs at the same time , the sudden jerk just makes it look strange.
Really gotta hand it to Sil for putting attention on the fact
Spoiler
that Feral didn't know how his spear gun works. Or...he did and then forgot?
Spoiler
Really undercuts Naru's victory. Because all Feral had to do was duck back into the mud and he would have lived.
Eh, all Anytime had to do was step to the side and he would have lived. Dutch didn't really have a great victory over him - just luck. It's just a shame that Feral's mistake was Mr Magoo levels of incompetence.
Interesting to note I have a few colleagues and friends who are not necessarily Predator fans but they really enjoyed the film.
I feel this would be a fairly accessible first movie for a lot of people.
The more I reflect upon the movie, the less I like it. I'm altering my score from a 6/10 to a 4/10. It's a competently produced movie, from a technical perspective but when that's the kindest thing which I can say in its favour, you know it has issues.
The first act is a yawn fest (just a series of scenes with Naru tracking prey, one after the other, as though it's a single scene being played on repeat); the human characters are mostly dullards to watch; the ham-fisted manner in which Naru is written as figuring out that the predator uses heat-vision to see its prey is a ridiculous contrivance; the last act and the predator's defeat are jarringly abrupt; the predator is a moronic buffoon throughout the movie and his redesigned face calls to mind Sir Alec Issigonis' quote "A camel is a horse designed by committee". They took Stan Winston's fine stallion and turned him into a lumpy mess.
I don't think that I'll bother rewatching this movie any time soon.
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:34:14 AMEh, all Anytime had to do was step to the side and he would have lived. Dutch didn't really have a great victory over him - just luck. It's just a shame that Feral's mistake was Mr Magoo levels of incompetence.
I think if you couple the predators obvious ego with how much damage it takes , it's not that unbelievable.
Watching it for a second time today (got better again for me personally) feral takes...
Spoiler
- a wolf bite
- Bear bite ( plus it gets stood on)
- a knife to the foot
- two arrows to the back
- stands in a trap
- gets it's hand stuck in a trap
- Gets shot multiple times
- takes a spear through the left shoulder
- stabbed in the leg ( again)
- shot in the back of the head
- tomahawk to the chest and neck
- stabs itself on the tree spears
- gets it's good arm cut off
- tomahawk to the lower leg
- more stabbing and pulled into mud
.....finally gets shot in the face.
Like......I'm buying that it wasnt ready for the final fight :laugh:
And here I was expecting you to say something else.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2022, 05:55:35 AMAnd here I was expecting you to say something else.
When everything is a bit shit sometimes a good old fashioned 90 minute action movie is all it takes 8)
so it seems a lot of fans is just glad that a decently made movie came out repeating a lot of beats. with the odd thing like a wild setting, in the past, perhaps aa reference to p2 a gun.
i always wondered if there was a comic or story in eu that fans really wanted told onscreen. but so far most fans seems happy witj what happened.
that axtually surprises me.
kudos then to makers of the film
This f**ker made me thirsty for a Predator movie set in WWI:
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I also think Kindred would make for an interesting movie seeing how it deals with a character having a Predator-related PTSD
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I can't help but feel like it's 2015 all over again coming out of the Force Awakens. The fans are so happy and celebrating a return to form for their favourite franchise, and here's me, and evidently a small minority of others, wondering why.
Most of my criticisms i have already been addressed by others. All I'll say is that while i didn't hate it, and there was definitely moments I enjoyed here and there, ultimately i found the film pretty boring, because i didn't care about any of the characters and there was no tension. 5 /10
@The ShurikenFeral knew exactly how his spear gun worked. For whatever reason viewers aren't getting it though.....
Quote from: Long Time Lurker on Aug 09, 2022, 11:56:11 AMI can't help but feel like it's 2015 all over again coming out of the Force Awakens. The fans are so happy and celebrating a return to form for their favourite franchise, and here's me, and evidently a small minority of others, wondering why.
I think the fact that majority of viewers were severely underwhelmed by The Predator has something to do with it
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 09, 2022, 12:55:17 PMI think the fact that majority of viewers were severely underwhelmed by The Predator has something to do with it
Agreed. I think that following a total shit show like
The Predator, even the most basic of filmmaking competence can seem extraordinary by comparison. Once the honeymoon period is over, I suspect that the majority view of
Prey will slowly shift to a much less overwhelmingly positive slant. The aforementioned
The Force Awakens is a great analogy; that movie was overwhelmingly beloved upon release because unlike the prequels, it was competently shot and acted, without excessive CGI but once the smoke had cleared, people started to recognise the movie for its own flaws and began to acknowledge that it wasn't quite the return to form which it was being hailed as upon release.
I don't even think about The Predator...at all. I didn't go into Prey comparing this to The Predator. I went into Prey comparing it to the years and years of Predator lore I've been obsessed with since I was a kid and Prey checked all the boxes for me. If you didn't like it then great, but don't come up and start trying to convince others that that their reactions to this movie arent genuine or wont hold water in a few months time. That's as ridiculous as me trying to tell you that in a few months time you'll love this movie. That's nonsense.
When Prey's marred by two shit sequels maybe the comparison will hold some water.
I dig Prey but to be honest it's not outstanding movie. It's ok., on pair with Predators. It does many things right. It fails with many on the same time.
The only thing it doesn't get right in my eyes is the face under the mask. I pretty much love everything else here, definitely a step or two above Predators for me.
This whole movie just works for me. I've been a predator fan since my earliest memories, watching it with my older brothers when when dad brought home our first VCR. I have every comic ever published and most of the books. When nerdy kids in the early 90s were into star wars and star trek I was into Aliens and Predator. All I can say is that this is the first time I've truly loved any film with a predator in it since predator 2.
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2022, 02:02:33 PMI dig Prey but to be honest it's not outstanding movie. It's ok., on pair with Predators. It does many things right. It fails with many on the same time.
I agree with this. I have a soft spot for Predator movies so as long as they're competently made, my enjoyment of them is disproportionately high. Objectively I give both Predators and Prey a 7/10 and I wouldn't call either of them must-watches for people that aren't fans of the franchise. But I thoroughly enjoyed both of those movies. I just love watching a Predator do Predator stuff.
I dunno, general audiences and critics seem to be enjoying it a lot.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prey_2022
I actually think Prey told a good enough story to be liked quite much by non predator fans.
Part of me wonders if living in Michigan with so many Native American tribes has an effect on my enjoyment as well. I mean everything where I live is named after their culture, my county is named Ogemaw, after Chief Ogemaw from the Chippewa tribe lol.
I've always held a certain reverence for their culture myself and I do enjoy films like Last of the Mohicans.
In any case after 2 watches I give this movie solid 8/10 and as a fan 9/10. I find so much to love about all the predator goodness here, especially the new toys.
BigDaddyJohn I agree with you. My wife for example rolls her eyes at Predator movies but she wants to watch Prey over and over again. I think purists have to remember that this movie was made sort of out of a labor of love and not with any pretense that it would revive the entire franchise, which means the director and writers could tell their own story how they wanted to tell it without necessarily being beholden to some of the aspects of the past movies.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2022, 02:55:38 PMI find so much to love about all the predator goodness here, especially the new toys.
I loved all the toys Feral had in this movie... buuut I thought some of them felt a bit too advanced knowing it's almost 300 years before the first movie. But maybe I'm nitpicking here, and like I said, what cool f**king toys that was !
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 09, 2022, 03:16:35 PMBigDaddyJohn I agree with you. My wife for example rolls her eyes at Predator movies but she wants to watch Prey over and over again. I think purists have to remember that this movie was made sort of out of a labor of love and not with any pretense that it would revive the entire franchise, which means the director and writers could tell their own story how they wanted to tell it without necessarily being beholden to some of the aspects of the past movies.
I think they clearly had enough liberty to do what they wanted yes. Now that I think of it, I saw no one credit Patrick Aison for writing it with Trachtenberg. I remember Fred Dekker got mentioned numerous times here and there while The Predator was everywhere promoting.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 09, 2022, 03:26:20 PMI loved all the toys Feral had in this movie... buuut I thought some of them felt a bit too advanced knowing it's almost 300 years before the first movie.
Why wouldn't he? The Predators have had super-advanced technology for thousands of years at this point.
Yeah if anything I'm imagining that the "spear gun", while obviously being used as the stand-in for the plasma caster in this film, was used by choice rather than because they hadn't actually invented them yet.
Predators can live for hundreds of years, so their tech is likely going to progress at a much slower rate over time than ours does. So while it was cool to see earlier versions of things like the cloak and the netgun, I also wouldn't have wanted them to say "it's 300 years ago so they arrived on Earth via a giant slingshot because they hadn't invented spaceships yet", or have done anything to act like they'd barely invented a damn thing yet at that point.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2022, 03:39:21 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 09, 2022, 03:26:20 PMI loved all the toys Feral had in this movie... buuut I thought some of them felt a bit too advanced knowing it's almost 300 years before the first movie.
Why wouldn't he? The Predators have had super-advanced technology for thousands of years at this point.
I thought it felt way more advanced than numerous toys other predators have in the future, that's why it itches me a bit.
What felt more advanced? I didn't find the wrist blades, bolt gun, mask, net, javelin/spear&club combo were too advanced.
The flying disc's in the box was different but didn't seem out of line with what we've seen either.
The snap bracelet thing was pretty cool and the med kit was mostly the same.
The cloak felt more rustic except for working better in water.
I still like to think that they've been doing this for a very long time, plasma casters and all. I understand why the film wanted to strip his equipment down, for sure. It was the right call. I just don't buy that they "haven't invented shoulder cannons yet" or whatever.
I enjoy setting up a unique predator to fit with its particular story and setting. I like to think they choose their gear for based on their own preferences. For what it's worth, regardless of marketing and interview quotes, Prey did a good job of not over-explaining within the film itself.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 09, 2022, 01:32:26 PMI don't even think about The Predator...at all. I didn't go into Prey comparing this to The Predator. I went into Prey comparing it to the years and years of Predator lore I've been obsessed with since I was a kid and Prey checked all the boxes for me. If you didn't like it then great, but don't come up and start trying to convince others that that their reactions to this movie arent genuine or wont hold water in a few months time. That's as ridiculous as me trying to tell you that in a few months time you'll love this movie. That's nonsense.
Please note that I never said that you or anyone else's reactions aren't genuine. I merely stated that I suspect that the general consensus may well shift to be slightly less glowing in the years to come, once the dust has settled and the honeymoon period is over. I stand by that conviction. That's not to say that literally nobody could possibly love the movie for what it is, on its own terms. Of course people can and no doubt do.
I'm talking in terms of broad strokes and it's just a prediction of a possible eventuality. I'm not claiming to have a special psychic knowledge of the future. It just seems to me that a lot of the gushing praise for the movie seems to be disproportionate to the actual quality of the movie itself. It's not a terrible movie by any means, but it's really not the masterpiece that some seem to be claiming that it is. I just think that there's a certain amount of hyperbole surrounding the movie at the moment and as others have suggested, it seems credible that some of the more enthusiastic responses are in part due to comparisons being made to
The Predator, given that movie is the previous one most fresh in people's minds.
I certainly wouldn't deign to tell anybody that they're wrong for loving the movie. To each their own. I'm just curious to see whether the general consensus may shift in the years to come, as does sometimes occur with franchise movies such as
The Force Awakens.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2022, 03:51:08 PMWhat felt more advanced? I didn't find the wrist blades, bolt gun, mask, net, javelin/spear&club combo were too advanced.
The flying disc's in the box was different but didn't seem out of line with what we've seen either.
The snap bracelet thing was pretty cool and the med kit was mostly the same.
The cloak felt more rustic except for working better in water.
Rewatching somes scenes now, maybe I am being nitpicky after all.
Enjoyable film, totally botched the feral predator design. Helmet was unique but I still don't understand why they don't just model off the original and use different paint job or subtle differences like in Predator 2. 6.5/10
Quote from: littlesprout on Aug 09, 2022, 04:32:01 PMEnjoyable film, totally botched the feral predator design. Helmet was unique but I still don't understand why they don't just model off the original and use different paint job or subtle differences like in Predator 2. 6.5/10
It's the same thing that happened with the latter Alien movies. When a franchise goes on for decades, each filmmaker making a sequel feels the need to put their own stamp on the franchise and to rejig the titular creature. It's akin to trying to reinvent the wheel and make the monster "bigger and badder" and it never, ever works. You can't improve upon perfection. H.R. Giger and Stan Winston nailed the respective designs the first time around. Filmmakers should learn to just leave well enough alone.
Personally I think the moving goalposts are just unreachable for some.
First it's just the premiere audiences being wowed by the whole sdcc experience and it's not going to be all that. Then the critics and audiences give a lot of praise and now it's let's see what folks think after a few years?
Everyone has their own opinion but sometimes if you're not open to liking something then it's going to effect the experience.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 09, 2022, 01:20:27 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 09, 2022, 12:55:17 PMI think the fact that majority of viewers were severely underwhelmed by The Predator has something to do with it
Agreed. I think that following a total shit show like The Predator, even the most basic of filmmaking competence can seem extraordinary by comparison. Once the honeymoon period is over, I suspect that the majority view of Prey will slowly shift to a much less overwhelmingly positive slant. The aforementioned The Force Awakens is a great analogy; that movie was overwhelmingly beloved upon release because unlike the prequels, it was competently shot and acted, without excessive CGI but once the smoke had cleared, people started to recognise the movie for its own flaws and began to acknowledge that it wasn't quite the return to form which it was being hailed as upon release.
hence this is why i am trying to understand what predator fans are after. after covenant i lost all hope. and most people were just hoping for a decently made well written well shot well acted movie that is standalone in that it doesnt rely on anything made prior. pretty much what happened here i think. as you said whatbwill fans say about it 5 years from now. it did add a few new elements. i guess thats what happens.....
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 09, 2022, 03:26:20 PMI loved all the toys Feral had in this movie... buuut I thought some of them felt a bit too advanced knowing it's almost 300 years before the first movie. But maybe I'm nitpicking here, and like I said, what cool f**king toys that was
Need to remember that he got to Earth on a highly advanced spaceship.😅
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2022, 04:53:29 PMEveryone has their own opinion but sometimes if you're not open to liking something then it's going to effect the experience.
Hmm, I'm not sure that I agree. Firstly, I didn't go into the movie not wanting to like it. What I did do is go into it with very low expectations, but personally I think that's a good thing. In my experience, it's when I go into a movie with sky rocket expectations, that I'm most likely to be setting myself up to be disappointed because I've created expectations within my mind which simply cannot be reasonably met (
Prometheus was a textbook example of this in action). Going into a movie with zero or low expectations; you're more likely to have the movie exceed your expectations. Did
Prey exceed my extremely low expectations? Yeah, it did... but just barely. As I said previously, I thought that the middle act was very good. It was everything surrounding that middle act which left me cold.
Saw it last night.
Yeah that was good, real good.
Guys, I do respect your opinions but I don't f**king understand how this movie could be great? The predator was so damn stupid in this movie its laughable. So many mistakes made in this movie. I'm baffled to see its high scores on imdb. Jessie Ventura must have been high when he said it's an amazing movie 😂🤣😂🤣😂
About predators tech: I didnt see this predators weapons as more high tech or missing stuff, why he didnt have a plasma caster is more due to his style, or money or that he isnt a big hunter and earned the plasma caster yet or something similair. They all dont have to use exactly same weapon setup. :P
But to the movies and games and lore we know they have been here for thousands of years and the tech we saw in Prey and later movies, they have had for thousands of years already, cloak, plasma caster, laser sight, spaceships, disks, wristblades etc. I would argue rather that predators technology is standing still, they arent evolving new technology that makes previous tech obsolete, its rather stigmated a long time ago.
Hence a theory of mine is that they didnt develop their tech but they conquered it or got it from different alien species.
Still absolutely love it, on rewatch the design does not even bother me as much either.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 09, 2022, 06:22:05 PMGuys, I do respect your opinions but I don't f**king understand how this movie could be great? The predator was so damn stupid in this movie its laughable. So many mistakes made in this movie. I'm baffled to see its high scores on imdb. Jessie Ventura must have been high when he said it's an amazing movie 😂🤣😂🤣😂
You respect our opinions but then proceed to say you would have to be high to think this movie is great? ::)
Don't forget Bill Duke, he thought it was amazing.
https://twitter.com/RealBillDuke/status/1556831239973154816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1556831239973154816%7Ctwgr%5E58fa0f9fbdc0a5367aead925b8ed482a34fc37a4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23271108281356965425.ampproject.net%2F2207221643000%2Fframe.html
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2022, 07:37:41 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 09, 2022, 06:22:05 PMGuys, I do respect your opinions but I don't f**king understand how this movie could be great? The predator was so damn stupid in this movie its laughable. So many mistakes made in this movie. I'm baffled to see its high scores on imdb. Jessie Ventura must have been high when he said it's an amazing movie 😂🤣😂🤣😂
You respect our opinions but then proceed to say you would have to be high to think this movie is great? ::)
Don't forget Bill Duke, he thought it was amazing.
https://twitter.com/RealBillDuke/status/1556831239973154816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1556831239973154816%7Ctwgr%5E58fa0f9fbdc0a5367aead925b8ed482a34fc37a4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23271108281356965425.ampproject.net%2F2207221643000%2Fframe.html
To each their own, all opinion counts mate. Just don't see how it ranks so high that's all.
Watched it again in Comanche language, gave it a more authentic feel and the only version I would want to watch from now on. Again listing the positives and negatives:
SPOILERS
PROS:
- Beautifully shot, definitely the film's strongest point.
- Music was not a retread of the original theme but something new and refreshing which was a nice surprise
- Midhunter is definitely not my favorite protagonist in a predator film but she did a serviceable job, learning from her surroundings, constantly trying to improve herself and become a better warrior not just hunter. The other character worth mentioning is Taabe who was actually the best character and deserved to be the main one. The other characters were disposable.
- Some nice action scenes, none were the predator series highlight but overall the bear fight, wolf chase, french trapper massacre and Taabe vs Feral were good scenes.
- Feral had some nice presence, he is dumb as a rock but at least he is determined.
CONS:
- Over-reliance on CGI which was crap in a lot of scenes, the mountain lion was straight out of 2002, just terrible. The bear looked ok in some scenes, very fake in others. Some fake CGI blood also like when Feral kills Naru's friend in the tall grass or when the bear's blood is spilled over him. In some cases the CGI was great like in the Wolf chasing the rabbit scene but this is an exception
- The end fight was kinda meh, Naru suddenly becoming a ninja and jumping all over Feral's back, slicing him all over, making him look like a chump. She seemed too over skilled for me. Also why did Feral spare her life every chance he got? It's said he didn't see her as a threat but that was no reason for him to ignore her like several times.
- Feral was basically a tank not interested in hunting that much, also he wasn't that smart getting tricked by his own equipment twice. This guy will get massacred by Jungle hunter.
- The movie tends to cut away from the violence numerous times, don't know why. The camera pulls away from the more gory bits and cuts some parts that didn't need to be cut. No idea why they chose to go this way but the movie was definitely more tame than I hoped. Only Predators is more tame in the franchise.
Overall a solid 7/10. Third best behind the first two (P2 will probably remain the best sequel forever) but above Predators and miles ahead of the predator which was a travesty apart from some nice violence here and there.
Personally don't see the whole Feral was stupid angle. Rather to me he was arrogant and over confident. Took a helluva beating but still continued the hunt. Underestimated his opponent.
Also not sure how the whole he forgot how his spear gun worked goes. Obvious to me he was oblivious to what Naru had set up as a trap (as others rightly pointed out he'd lost an arm, been shot in the back of the head, multiple axe wounds, etc).
I'm not one for numerical ratings, usually, but I've now watched this thing three times (twice in English and once with the Comanche dub) and I just really, really dig it. Selected the 4/5 option on the poll.
Quote from: predator88 on Aug 09, 2022, 09:44:01 PMMidhunter is definitely not my favorite protagonist in a predator film but she did a serviceable job, learning from her surroundings, constantly trying to improve herself and become a better warrior not just hunter. The other character worth mentioning is Taabe who was actually the best character and deserved to be the main one. The other characters were disposable.
As time goes on, I think this is one of my bigger issues with the movie. Naru's coming-of-age story was cheapened, for me, because of how they chose to convey her journey of becoming an efficient hunter through lazily writing all her male counterparts as overly exaggerated d-bags. Apart from her brother, most of her interactions with other characters were demeaning.
It came at the cost of creating too many throwaway characters, that no one would miss, which aided in certain scenes feeling more like a Friday the 13th slasher for me.
Prey is clearly a vast improvement from The Predator but the lines are blurred on how I compare it to Predators.
Prey doesn't contain anything as groan inducing as Lawrence Fishburns character. I like Predators and all but...
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 10, 2022, 12:48:52 AMPrey doesn't contain anything as groan inducing as Lawrence Fishburns character. I like Peedators and all but...
This is true but at least Laurence Fishburne's cringe inducing performance was entertainingly awful, much like watching Anakin Skywalker harp on about how much he hates sand in
Attack of the Clones. Most of the characters in
Prey were dull, vapid, underwritten nobodies and little more than cheap, disposable cannon fodder. I'll take an entertainingly badly written and performed character over a bunch of hollow, personality vacuum nothings any day of the week. I'd sooner be entertained, even if for the wrong reasons, than bored.
If that's how you took the characters and the film overall then not much for me to add here other than I disagree. But no offense, I have found you to be overly negative in general and not just regarding this film so its kinda expected.
Honestly I didn't find any if this film boring but what can I say that would hold any weight?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 08:38:25 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 08, 2022, 12:38:13 AMWhere is the AvP Galaxy review? :P
I'm writing it. :)
QuoteI can't wait for the podcast discussing this film.
Recording tonight. :)
QuoteI know Voodoo isn't around the forum anymore but if you guys could bring him in that would be awesome.
Wont be happening, but if you check his Twitter he hated it.
Can't wait for the podcast especially, so excited.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 10, 2022, 12:57:43 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 10, 2022, 12:48:52 AMPrey doesn't contain anything as groan inducing as Lawrence Fishburns character. I like Peedators and all but...
This is true but at least Laurence Fishburne's cringe inducing performance was entertainingly awful, much like watching Anakin Skywalker harp on about how much he hates sand in Attack of the Clones. Most of the characters in Prey were dull, vapid, underwritten nobodies and little more than cheap, disposable cannon fodder. I'll take an entertainingly badly written and performed character over a bunch of hollow, personality vacuum nothings any day of the week. I'd sooner be entertained, even if for the wrong reasons, than bored.
How did it compare to the Obi-Wan Kenobi show?
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 10, 2022, 01:36:38 AMBut no offense, I have found you to be overly negative in general and not just regarding this film so its kinda expected.
Well, that is kind of an offensive (and rather passive aggressive) thing to say. "Oh, your opinions don't count because you clearly don't like anything and are just a negative person in general." First of all; that's not true. I'm a cinephile who adores more films than I could possibly ever begin to list. I just don't generally wax lyrical about the films I love or about the aspects of films I enjoyed because I don't generally see the worth in doing so. It's not particularly insightful to say "I loved that scene" or "this element of the film was really good" and there's only so much discussion which can be wrung out of two people talking and agreeing about how much they both loved a film. Whereas, discussing which elements of a film didn't work opens the door to
really interesting discussion and debate, at least in my experience.
When discussing a film, I'll typically very briefly cover the elements which I enjoyed and then jump into the meaty discussion of which parts didn't work for me because that's what I find interesting and revealing about a film and it invites discussion and debate with other people who've also seen the film. That's just how my mind works and how I like to approach film critique in general. That doesn't make me a negative person or someone who hates everything. Perhaps you ought to see my collection of over 1000 DVDs and Blu-Rays if you think that I don't like films. I live and breathe for the cinematic arts. I just have a different approach to discussing and critiquing films than yourself, that's all.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 10, 2022, 01:36:38 AMHonestly I didn't find any if this film boring but what can I say that would hold any weight?
Why would you ever need to convince me of anything? You liked the movie. Good for you. I never tried to tell you that you're wrong for doing so or that you need to convince me as to why you think it's a good movie.
I don't think the Force Awakens vs Prey comparison is fair.
Star Wars literally has a limitless ceiling, but they chose to just repeat the same old beats. My first thoughts after TFA was....yeah that was ok but it's just a copy.
Predator really only has the hunt vs humans element and when we all walked out of The Predator I think we understood why :laugh:
The only thing that should change in Predator movies is the setting and the humans.
One thing I think we could repeat again is the detective element found in P2. I really enjoy P2 for that cop/detective angle.
Ive also said many times a team of two Predators ( working together) would be an outstanding change. Perhaps we don't even know there's two, that's the twist.
Ok let's talk about the positives (I'll put them in spoiler tags)
Spoiler
That bear fight. Yes the CGI at times wasn't up to something akin to Weta standard but I loved the fact this was probably the first true (IMO) scene where I got to really appreciate how absolutely monstrous a Predator's strength is (and no fighting a Xenomorph in AVP doesn't count).
The fight with the French trappers had some great moments. I liked some of the new weaponary too + using his shield as a bladed weapon was cool.
I actually liked how the Predator got tagged in a few of his battles - with the wolf, bear and against Naru's fellow tribe. It showed a hunter who wasn't bullet proof.
The chase through the high grass had some stellar imagery going on. That top down birds eye view where you see the grass parting and also just how much faster Feral was too - ace.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 10, 2022, 02:16:22 AMIt's not particularly insightful to say "I loved that scene" or "this element of the film was really good" and there's only so much discussion which can be wrung out of two people talking and agreeing about how much they both loved a film. Whereas, discussing which elements of a film didn't work opens the door to really interesting discussion and debate, at least in my experience.
This 100 %
Two people going on about a scene they didn't like in agreeance is equally masturbatory and uninformative.
Someone who likes a work of art vs someone who doesn't is where you get interesting discussions about the art.
Not trying to be passive aggro or offensive just being honest. Insightful to know you prefer to focus on things you don't like.
I disagree that you have to criticise or focus on the negatives of a film in order to have interesting discussion. I've always been a person who prefers to discuss the things that I enjoy rather than not myself.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 10, 2022, 07:21:05 AMTwo people going on about a scene they didn't like in agreeance is equally masturbatory and uninformative.
It's not about
"That was bad, right ? - Sure was !", it's about
"What could've been done better ?"
It's much more interesting if you like the product imo. Discussing Ferals weapons or possible history is cool. Possible sequels.
Figuring out if Reys parents are.....don't care :laugh:
Speaking of sequels I read an article today the Prey is the most watched thing on Hulu/Star - ever. After 3 days.... :o 8)
A mix of both. People discussing things they don't like and considering alternatives, and people discussing things they do like and how they add to the repertoire going forward.
Just one or the other is circular and limiting.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2022, 02:28:33 PMI dunno, general audiences and critics seem to be enjoying it a lot.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prey_2022
Don't get me wrong, this is a good film, but I know plenty of people like my mother and my sister who I can't recommend it to. It doesn't rise above the tropes and weaknesses of the genre in ways that e.g. The Dark Knight does for superhero films. So it's good, but it's not *amazingly* good.
I think it was Dave Gogel (Xenomorphing) who mentioned Ferals' helmet is very similar to the River Ghost skull.
Hi, i am more of an Alien fan then Predator but yeah. This is a very solid movie. Good and simple script. Everything makes sense plus great visuals and good actors. So it still can happen. A very good new Predator movie. I am super happy with that. Maybe it can also happen to Alien? Even Terminator?
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 10, 2022, 08:00:13 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 10, 2022, 07:21:05 AMTwo people going on about a scene they didn't like in agreeance is equally masturbatory and uninformative.
It's not about "That was bad, right ? - Sure was !", it's about "What could've been done better ?"
Preciously. Conversely, talking about the positives when critiquing a film holds limited potential for leading to further debate and discussion. Again; there's not much more one can say that's beyond "I really liked this scene". It's kinda like, well, where do you go from there? Whereas discussing the critical aspects of the film opens the door to all sorts of interesting discussion avenues, including the question of what the filmmakers could have done differently.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 10, 2022, 08:01:45 AMIt's much more interesting if you like the product imo. Discussing Ferals weapons or possible history is cool. Possible sequels.
Oh, absolutely. This is a separate topic of discussion to film critique though. This is more within the realm of fan theorising.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 10, 2022, 08:19:40 AMA mix of both. People discussing things they don't like and considering alternatives, and people discussing things they do like and how they add to the repertoire going forward.
Just one or the other is circular and limiting.
As I said earlier, I always start a critique of a film with the aspects which I did like, before moving on to my criticisms. Some kind of balance is important. I'm simply saying that on the whole I think that critical discussions bear far more interesting fruit than talking about which parts of a film one enjoyed. It's all horses for courses though. I only brought the topic up because I felt the need to defend myself from the accusation of being an overly negative person.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 10, 2022, 07:21:05 AMTwo people going on about a scene they didn't like in agreeance is equally masturbatory and uninformative.
Someone who likes a work of art vs someone who doesn't is where you get interesting discussions about the art.
This is scenario is great when you have two people free of ego discussing a film but sadly, that's rarely the case and such scenarios usually quickly devolve into people flinging accusations and insults at one another for not sharing their own tastes.
Let's spread this kinda vibe to Alien and Terminator, I would be down for that! Saw Prey Monday night and thought it was great. The praise is well deserved. It needed to be a solid Native American movie and a good Predator movie and it succeeded in both. Great tone and action, really dug how brutal/ agile the Predator was. Well written, directed and acted. The design of the Feral was great....... Except for that face.... Juuuuuuuuuuust.
Final fight was a let down, Feral went down too easy or convenient, one of the two. Didn't hurt my appreciation of the film though. The flintlock should not have been in this movie. At all.
PREY
live-action anime with badass comanche warrior vs ugly monster and in the meantime idiots are made fun of
absolutely bonkers predator
perhaps lacking in the late 80s satire-horror of the originals but that is to be expected
I want to watch it again and again
I am so happy this got made
I think this is best place to ask, no other thread seem to fit:
When Naru and the others are out and chasing the feline, they say its a lion but lions only exist in africa, or is this a case of mandela effect and there are lions in america which I recall they shouldnt? Shouldnt it be a puma they were chasing?
Quote from: judge death on Aug 10, 2022, 09:36:05 PMI think this is best place to ask, no other thread seem to fit:
When Naru and the others are out and chasing the feline, they say its a lion but lions only exist in africa, or is this a case of mandela effect and there are lions in america which I recall they shouldnt? Shouldnt it be a puma they were chasing?
Mountain Lion
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 10, 2022, 09:41:30 PMQuote from: judge death on Aug 10, 2022, 09:36:05 PMI think this is best place to ask, no other thread seem to fit:
When Naru and the others are out and chasing the feline, they say its a lion but lions only exist in africa, or is this a case of mandela effect and there are lions in america which I recall they shouldnt? Shouldnt it be a puma they were chasing?
Mountain Lion
I was gonna say, mountain lions totally exist in North America.
And the other name for it is Puma.
Wow, so thankful this came out, especially to wash the massive embarrassing disappointment taste of Shane Black's 2018's The Predator out of my mouth.
This is how a Predator installment should be. More original and in spirit with the first two than 2010's Predators, and not a shameless try too hard remake / reboot like that film.
And not a campy, tongue in cheek, juvenile and stupid attempt like Shane Black.
Loved how quick and efficient the movie was, how brutal it was, the protagonist was engaging and interesting, the first one since Harrigan in Predator 2 as a protagonist I could actively root for ...
And the Feral Predator was absolutely bad ass. I even enjoyed the slight tweak and redesign to the face, to remove the comfortability we have with the creature over so many films.
5 out of 5
Can't wait to see a sequel installment. Predator in Feudal Japan vs Samurai or in Afghanistan during the war on terror etc.
Franchise Film Ranking
1) Predator
2 a) Predator 2
2 b) Prey
3) Predators
4) AvP:R (Wolf was boss)
5) AvP
6) The Predator
Predator Ranking
1) Jungle Hunter
2) Feral
3) City Hunter
4) Wolf
5) Beserker
This was very cinematic and it's an absolute shame it wasn't released in any theaters to be seen on the big screen. 2022 has been a fantastic year in cinema, and three of my favorite childhood properties were done absolutely perfectly this year.
The Batman
Top Gun Maverick
Nope
Prey
X
Honorable Mention to Black Mask. What a year.
First off actually getting a competent movie with people who talk and are like real people is a relief after that trash fire shane black made prior to this.
Naru and her brother are fine and the suit the story they're going for.
The music is good and the shots of the landscapes are nice, it's a pretty movie.
From what others were saying I expected the CGI to be much worse than it actually is, although I've seen so much awful CGI that this overall serviceable effort was fine to me.
The actual biggest flaw that was apparent to me more and more as the movie went on is that this Predator is stupid, you have to accept he is stupid in order to believe he lost.
He cuts off his own arm with his shield blocking his spear Naru is thrusting at him which he then DEACTIVATES right after meaning he could have stopped her using it at all.
Most people are focusing on the spear gun foolery but that self arm chop was even more dumb to me, his spear gun at least has the excuse of having enough initial momentum that he could have been guessing it would go far enough to kill her. Still pretty dumb to not notice his own mask right beside him.
Gear stupidity aside, his character is so much more boring compared to the original Predator, when you take away the intelligence you're just left with a giant butcher killing everything for...? The only human trophy he appears to take is from the French leader Naru chops the leg off of.
I could have bought that this Predator is some kind of very sadistic nutcase among the Preds since he has so much gear that seems designed to maim but he doesn't use any of it intelligently or to toy with his prey so it's just not as interesting.
Quote from: Nightlord on Aug 11, 2022, 02:30:59 PMFirst off actually getting a competent movie with people who talk and are like real people is a relief after that trash fire shane black made prior to this.
Naru and her brother are fine and the suit the story they're going for.
The music is good and the shots of the landscapes are nice, it's a pretty movie.
From what others were saying I expected the CGI to be much worse than it actually is, although I've seen so much awful CGI that this overall serviceable effort was fine to me.
The actual biggest flaw that was apparent to me more and more as the movie went on is that this Predator is stupid, you have to accept he is stupid in order to believe he lost.
He cuts off his own arm with his shield blocking his spear Naru is thrusting at him which he then DEACTIVATES right after meaning he could have stopped her using it at all.
Most people are focusing on the spear gun foolery but that self arm chop was even more dumb to me, his spear gun at least has the excuse of having enough initial momentum that he could have been guessing it would go far enough to kill her. Still pretty dumb to not notice his own mask right beside him.
Gear stupidity aside, his character is so much more boring compared to the original Predator, when you take away the intelligence you're just left with a giant butcher killing everything for...? The only human trophy he appears to take is from the French leader Naru chops the leg off of.
I could have bought that this Predator is some kind of very sadistic nutcase among the Preds since he has so much gear that seems designed to maim but he doesn't use any of it intelligently or to toy with his prey so it's just not as interesting.
Well.. moments before these incidents Feral was been shot in the head leaving only half his brain left when Naru stole his mask. 🧠 So I don't know if not thinking straight combined with very bad eyesight "predator 1987 jungle Hunter could only see red without his mask" so the symptoms of this might be not thinking straight?
Quote from: olapaulakoski on Aug 11, 2022, 05:04:52 PMQuote from: Nightlord on Aug 11, 2022, 02:30:59 PMFirst off actually getting a competent movie with people who talk and are like real people is a relief after that trash fire shane black made prior to this.
Naru and her brother are fine and the suit the story they're going for.
The music is good and the shots of the landscapes are nice, it's a pretty movie.
From what others were saying I expected the CGI to be much worse than it actually is, although I've seen so much awful CGI that this overall serviceable effort was fine to me.
The actual biggest flaw that was apparent to me more and more as the movie went on is that this Predator is stupid, you have to accept he is stupid in order to believe he lost.
He cuts off his own arm with his shield blocking his spear Naru is thrusting at him which he then DEACTIVATES right after meaning he could have stopped her using it at all.
Most people are focusing on the spear gun foolery but that self arm chop was even more dumb to me, his spear gun at least has the excuse of having enough initial momentum that he could have been guessing it would go far enough to kill her. Still pretty dumb to not notice his own mask right beside him.
Gear stupidity aside, his character is so much more boring compared to the original Predator, when you take away the intelligence you're just left with a giant butcher killing everything for...? The only human trophy he appears to take is from the French leader Naru chops the leg off of.
I could have bought that this Predator is some kind of very sadistic nutcase among the Preds since he has so much gear that seems designed to maim but he doesn't use any of it intelligently or to toy with his prey so it's just not as interesting.
Well.. moments before these incidents Feral was been shot in the head leaving only half his brain left when Naru stole his mask. 🧠 So I don't know if not thinking straight combined with very bad eyesight "predator 1987 jungle Hunter could only see red without his mask" so the symptoms of this might be not thinking straight?
I don't buy the musket ball ruining his brain, preds have thick heads and presumably bones not to mention by the time he reaches the trap there doesn't seem to be any blood coming out of the back of his head.
Furthermore, while they've always been shown to have poor vision without their mask this guy tracked her the whole way to the swamp and spotted the foot she'd put down as a lure from about 2-3 metres away causing him to pause and look around. Given how bad their vision seems to be based off 2 or 3 he'd have needed to get his face right by the foot to make it out and we're never given any pred POV shot to show that he now has worse vision, so he seems to have better natural vision than any previous pred. Course he's got a fairly different physiology too.
Any head trauma would cause confusion in a human. Feral takes a ton. I even forgot about the mandible rip and then stab. That adds to the list. He's had his shit rocked.
The more times I've watched it, the more I've noticed. Like his spear cutting Naru's hair when he kills the baited trapper. There's a lot in the choreography that shows Feral is confused and getting more and more frustrated as it goes. I don't know about you all, but when I am incredibly frustrated, I make mistakes much easier than I usually would. I know if I were shot in the head, and had my body physically rocked like Feral gets, I wouldn't have a clear thought it my mind, it would all be rage.
Feral was overconfident, like his cousins, and got hit for it.
Feral defninitely was the predator that took the most damage in a movie.
So after seeing all these surprising 90 per cent approval ratings on critic aggregator's I felt obliged to weigh in with my own 2 cents.
To begin I should state I watched this movie in two halves, the first 46 mins and then the outstanding 54 mins.
My rating: 6.9 out of 10.
When this movie was first announced I had my doubts, largely because the original concept for the film had nothing to do with Predator. In its very first concept this movie was purely a story revolving around a female Comanche warrior proving her worth amongst her male peers. The addition of a Predator was added slightly later. Though these changes occurred very early in pre production, watching the first 46 minutes it seemed as though these changes were much later with many of the Predator's scene's simply being inserted to accompany the narrative. Yes we do have moments where the Comanche's discover hints of the creature's activity which culminate in the bear scene (this happened to be the climax point of my first half viewing) but for the first half of this film, it is a story purely about Naru and her relationship with the Comanche tribe she belongs to.
My second doubts, I must admit, came with the confirmation of Dan Tractenburg as director. Having watched 10 Cloverfield Lane, I felt it was rather disappointing. Particularly given the hype train built up revolving around 10CL being contained within the Cloverfield franchise. Perhaps much like Prey, 10 Cloverfield Lane was not initially designed as a Cloverfield film. This led me to have doubts on how authentic Tractenburg could bring the Predator into a narrative he had initially constructed separately. Happily though, I felt Tractenburg, by and large, did an alright job with the film. At least he knew the best weapon to fight a predator was to not use a weapon so as to not gain its attention as good game.
So onto the film itself as a whole.
The Story:
As a Predator film this was pretty standard. A group of people get hunted by a Predator. Saying that, simplicity often works wonders and fortunately, Prey was not the awful joke of a film that Shane Black's The Predator ended up being. Naru had an interesting narrative that felt quite natural unlike many modern female led action movies and her relationships with her family and community came across realistically. The attention to authenticity with the indigenous casting is great and adds to the portrayal of the period as you would expect. The story however, much like Rodriguez's Predators follows most of the beats of the original movie only instead of having the action spin that John McTiernan's original had, Prey is fairly tame, with very little actually happening, something that harms it later on. The film also seems to consider itself an origin type prequel which adds further issues to the narrative and its place within the lore. The opening dialogue for the film has Naru actress Amber Midthunder recount a brief story about a monster that visited their tribe years previously and terrorised the community. The Predator of Prey however is depicted killing and observing different species of Earth's animal as though it is trying to determine what the apex of the planet or the region is. This is something that flies in the face of the established history between Yautja and humans which first interacted during the earliest civilisations of human history. Within the context of the Predator universe, Yautja taught the early humans how to construct pyramids, buildings that are already considered ancient by the 1700's.
The discrepancy doesn't end there however, as I'm sure you may be expecting, the flintlock pistol, makes no sense within the confines of the story. The name Raphael Adolini is first established at the end of Predator 2 when the Elder Predator gifts it as a trophy to Lieutenant Mike Harrigan after he successfully kills a Yautja hunting in late 1990's LA. The pistol with its unique inscription informs both Harrigan and viewers that Pred's have been going around hunting humans for a considerable time. This story was then fleshed out in a Dark Horse comic where Raphael Adolini is revealed to be a Spanish pirate captain who encounters a Predator along with his mutinous crew in 1718 (a year before the events of Prey). At the end of the story Adolini gifts the Predator (later revealed as the Elder Predator) his flintlock pistol as a mark of thanks as he dies. Now I've seen some reviews try to explain that away due to it being a comic (which is a valid format for storytelling and highly important within the continuity of the Alien and Predator franchises), but it doesn't really work. In addition to this, the Predator in Prey dies at the end of the movie and Naru retains the pistol which allows no link between the two films either making it a considerable goof on the part of the filmmakers. A further detail is Adolini is a name of Italian origin, but the man who appears to own the pistol is French. Whilst the comic can just about get away with this given the linkage between the Spanish and Italian languages and their interactions, unfortunately for the modern era, the 1700's was not a period where such names are as widespread as they are now. Although America was a colony that mixed many cultures, the likelihood of finding a Frenchmen with an Italian name is like finding a part of the sea made out of diamond. Even today Adolini is not a surname you will find in France.
Now concerning the Predator's intelligence in the movie. I've seen many of your reviews analysing this, and a general consensus suggests that a lot of you see the Predator as dumb because of choices it makes. This isn't necessarily wholly the case as I see it. Given that the story tries very hard to make it appear as if the Predator in Prey is only just discovering humanity, it stands to reason that it wouldn't be as well adjusted as later hunters such as the Jungle Hunter in Guatemala or the City Hunter in LA are to hunting humans. Now, for me, this again falls into the issues surrounding Prey's faithfulness to the Predator franchises established lore. We know that Predators have interacted with humans long before the events of Prey. In fact, Prey even states this in its opening line. Unfortunately this seems to have been changed around in development because, the primal approach to the Predator, which I thought was really interesting, doesn't allow it to act as though there's been any previous encounters. If we look at the scenes where the Predator hunts the snake and wolf, we see quite clearly it is observing them, unsure what will happen. It's puzzling out which prey is the strongest in each of those scenarios. Then, once one animal is victorious, it strikes, seeing the victor as the more worthy game.
This is again thrown up in the air when we are led to believe that the Predator's discovery of Naru is its first interaction with a human, only to later discover that it's already been hunting French fur trappers. The issue with this story is that, despite its good qualities, it can't seem to make up its mind over what it would like to be. You could explain some of this away by saying well, maybe that Predator hasn't interacted with humans before and is unsure, but this also doesn't hold up. Predators and humans have interacted for eons within the established lore, even if this Predator were of a different tribe to the classic Predators we've seen or the bad blood Predators in Rodriguez's film it would still have an understanding of humans, it would still know what humans are, how they act, how they fight. Now I know I've said that I don't fully see it that this Predator as completely dumb in the same way that many of you have said, this apparent unawareness is probably the biggest flaw in this Predator's intelligence. It just doesn't work. The story crafting around it doesn't add up. The Predator in Prey simply cannot be unaware of humans but the story treats this as an origin encounter between Predators and humans. That's where it is massively flawed.
The Characters:
As I've already said I greatly enjoyed the character of Naru, she, to me, feels like a protagonist within the same vein as Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor and her story is pretty fleshed out in that it forms the basis for the entire film. I also think that her brother is crafted decently and is presented as a nice counterweight to Naru. I even think that her interactions with her mother are well done, but aside from that, very few of the characters are fleshed out or given a good amount of depth. In the original we had Dutch, Dillon, Blaine, Mac, Poncho, Billy, Hawkins, Anna, each of them felt unique and, although not all of them were fleshed out, you did feel there was depth amongst the supporting characters. It's Dutch's story but the friendship of Mac and Blaine form a beating heart for the narrative at times and Dillon's past as a friend of Dutch who has since been twisted and morphed by his CIA bosses, even though we don't see it, add a lot of meat to the pie. In Prey however, outside of Naru and her brother, there's no one really given any depth at all, except maybe Naru's dog. As such, you don't really care when people start dying because you have no connection to them.
The Predator:
In Prey, I've already addressed how the Predator perhaps suffered from story issues so instead I'll focus as much on the other things. The Primal design was something I really liked. The tribal bone type mask was pretty cool if not aesthetically my most favourite. What I did love was the weaponry. Going in I was aware that the production team had gone to great lengths in crafting the Predator's weaponry for this film and it certainly paid off. Though some were adaptions of previously seen armaments such as the combi stick, net gun and spear gun, they were altered to fit a different style and they were all pretty great. The Predator's ferocity in Prey was also pretty cool, we've seen angry Predator's before but there was a strong physicality in the way the Predator was presented, even if not always shown. We see the Pred punch a bear to the ground whilst cloaked and body slam a wolf. It also brutally attacks one of the Comanche warriors in the field with Naru. So there were good elements to this Pred but, like a few things with the film, they were perhaps poorly executed. The face design I also didn't really care for, not really sure what they were going for with it, wasn't all that Predatory. Also the honour system appears to have been thrown out of the window with Naru's brother being impaled by a cloaked Pred who's clearly feeling the heat of a hand to hand engagement. This I sort of put down to the story issues surrounding the franchise established lore though. Finally, of course, there was the Pred's death. Now this really was dumb. How did it not see the tri dots pointing directly at its head? They are so obvious and given how much its moving as it struggles to get itself out of the mud, how does it not glimpse the shine of them, they're lasers after all, you aren't going to not notice a laser shining in your eye. So yeah, it ended in a very dumb way sadly, ironically killing itself in exactly the same way Sterling K Brown killed himself in The Predator which actually worked far better (Yep that's one point in favour of The Predator over Prey - even I'm shocked).
The Gore (or lack thereof):
When you watch a Predator movie, part of the experience is seeing the Predator kill in different ways. You'll always have the staples of course such as impaling or shooting with some implement but occasionally you get more thought out demises for characters, lets not forget Rebellion having its Pred rip a Colonial Marine's spine out through their stomach in AVP (2010), or Wolf's shurikens in AVP:R. This movie however, seems to me as though it was trying to get a 12 (or PG-13) rating. We don't see most of the kills in the film. In fact the only two that really stick out are Naru's brother being impaled by the cloaked Predator and the French trapper screaming after being stood on and getting impaled. There's a couple of other impalements with the Pred's split in two combi stick though none really done in any great detail with the vast majority either happening off screen, with something in shot blocking our view (tree in front of the trapper decapitated by the shield), or positioned far from the camera so it is either blurred out by depth of field or just too far away to show any detail. Though I do think Tractenburg did manage to maintain the suspense to a degree, the fear of showing the Predator kill anyone really let it down. Maybe that could have come from Disney which if so, is quite a major red flag for future instalments.
The CGI:
Lastly onto the worst element, the CGI. This was absolutely awful. Given that many films and even TV shows incorporate CGI into their work, (Young Luke Skywalker, Young Princess Leia and Rogue One Peter Cushing in Star Wars) and for the most part do it fairly effectively. The CGI of this film is blatantly obvious, from the snake to the cougar to the wolf and bear. Even the blood is terrible. I will say the cloaking device looked good (which is quite straight forward to do), but aside from that, it really was some of the worst CGI I've seen in ages. Even more surprising is that the film is bankrolled by Disney and they couldn't afford a better CGI team than that. Honestly, stick to practicals as much as poss, the Pred outfit being practical looked great, but its unmasked face not so much.
Prey isn't a bad film but its not a great film, it certainly isn't the best Pred film since the original. In fact, I struggle to place this above Predators which had incredibly underdeveloped characters. It's not as bad as The Predator of course, but honestly, I think you'd really have to try hard to be worse than that garbage pile. For me the best Pred sequel remains Predator 2, it added so much to the character and the lore, fleshing out the original more. This, like Predators, copies many of the same beats (even recycling two lines from the original which came across incredibly cheesy and didn't fit Prey's narrative at all) but, like Predators, can't compete with the original it is honouring. So really, it comes out as a pretty average film.
I rather feel that those saying that the predator was suffering from brain damage and that's why he behaved like an idiot are making a cop out excuse for poor writing and their theory is not directly supported by the movie itself. It's a head canon rationalisation for weak characterisation. Even if you choose to invoke that head canon reasoning and claim that it was the writer's intent, it doesn't address the core issue itself; that being that it's just not particularly interesting to watch a predator acting like a rampaging brute and making dumb tactical decisions. Whoever wanted the main predator in a Predator movie to be equivalent to the brain damaged pred-dog from The Predator?
Even if you accept the theory that the predator was suffering from brain damage; they didn't have to write him receiving that bullet to the head and the consequences of it. They could of written the predator as smart and a tactical expert. They chose not to and that's a problem. Having the predator be an idiot also undermines Naru's achievement in defeating it. It simply doesn't make for a compelling main antagonist, not when compared to the predator from the original movie and it feels as though people are performing mental gymnastics to make excuses for a poor creative decision.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 11, 2022, 06:05:22 PMFeral defninitely was the predator that took the most damage in a movie.
Sure, but it made him significantly less threatening and awe inspiring than his counterparts in the previous movies as a result. Not exactly an ideal way for filmmakers to present their big bad.
"Hey everyone, it's a new Terminator movie but the antagonistic terminator in this acts like a fool and constantly trips on things and falls over, but hey it's okay because fans will claim it's because his circuits are fried." :/
The filmmakers could have written it any way they wanted. They weren't making a documentary. They chose to present their big bad as a buffoon. Why make excuses for that by invoking head canon handwaves?
Feral took the most damage because he let himself take the most damage. When the concept is he doesn't know what he's dealing with, that's just dumb. He has no idea what's coming next and if it can kill him or not, but he just stands there and takes it.
It works as characterising him as inexperienced (I wouldn't say brain damage) but not particularly impressive as a monster.
Feral would've seen Mac pick up the mini gun and roared at him before being turned into a fluoro green mist.
Totally don't get any negativity for Prey.
And I don't get the unwavering praise it's getting.
It's clearly a better-constructed sequel than the last two movies, but it's also pretty boring to me as it lacks the pizazz that made the first movie great and stripped away all the things that make the Predator creature fascinating and cunning.
It could have been a great Predator sequel/prequel but I think they played things way too safe and in tune with the typical SLASHER flick.
Quote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 03:58:15 AMAnd I don't get the unwavering praise it's getting.
It's clearly a better-constructed sequel than the last two movies, but it's also pretty boring to me as it lacks the pizazz that made the first movie great and stripped away all the things that make the Predator creature fascinating and cunning.
It could have been a great Predator sequel/prequel but I think they played things way too safe and in tune with the typical SLASHER flick.
If Prey gets one thing right, it's that it made the Predator franchise accessible for a new generation of fans. Get ready, once these folks digest the entire franchise on Hulu we're going to have a ton of new fans entering. If they keep making more Prey movies pretty soon the fanbase will be Prey fans and Predator fans lol sort of like what happened with the Jurassic Park franchise, having JP fans and JW fans. :laugh:
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 12, 2022, 04:26:31 AMIf Prey gets one thing right, it's that it made the Predator franchise accessible for a new generation of fans. Get ready, once these folks digest the entire franchise on Hulu we're going to have a ton of new fans entering. If they keep making more Prey movies pretty soon the fanbase will be Prey fans and Predator fans lol sort of like what happened with the Jurassic Park franchise, having JP fans and JW fans. :laugh:
Just wait until they start complaining about Jungle Hunter not looking enough like Feral.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 03:13:38 AMTotally don't get any negativity for Prey.
The main character has tremendous plot armor,the pred is tremendously dumb, and this is long before he got shot in the head. There's no consistency of events. The story is just bad all around.
Yeah, I definitely found a new ringtone 8)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 04:51:26 AMJust wait until they start complaining about Jungle Hunter not looking enough like Feral.
LOL sooo true
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 12, 2022, 05:52:44 AMYeah, I definitely found a new ringtone 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ggIWkQLD4
Are ringtones still a thing?
Anyway, I came here to say that there's now three good Predator movies, one profoundly mediocre one, and three absolute dogshit ones (the Predator franchise can keep the AvPs, we don't want them). Will the next one tip the balance in favour of quality? We can only hope.
Ya know one thing I'm just enjoying so much is the way Feral slightly moves his head when the fur trapper he decapitates pulls a knife.
Yeah, it's almost like him saying "Really ? That's like tickling to me"
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:31:58 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 12, 2022, 05:52:44 AMYeah, I definitely found a new ringtone 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ggIWkQLD4
Are ringtones still a thing?
Anyway, I came here to say that there's now three good Predator movies, one profoundly mediocre one, and three absolute dogshit ones (the Predator franchise can keep the AvPs, we don't want them). Will the next one tip the balance in favour of quality? We can only hope.
AvP is fine, Requiem can rot in hell
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:31 AMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 03:13:38 AMTotally don't get any negativity for Prey.
The main character has tremendous plot armor,the pred is tremendously dumb, and this is long before he got shot in the head. There's no consistency of events. The story is just bad all around.
Nah. Every protagonist that defeats a predator, it's kind of stupid, and they all have plot armor. So what's your point? Dutch included.
If you're implying some type of SJW, Mary Sue, Libtard, Feminazi pandering Rey type scenario here, I do not see it whatsoever.
She struggled, she learns, she wants to prove her worth (likability), she's fiercely intelligent but also lucked TF out. Just like Dutch, Harrigan, Royce etc
Based on how these creatures are explained in the movies, none of these humans should stand a remote chance. In fact, hopefully they lean into that and the next one the predator wins, as it should be by this point, if anything just to regain the 1715 pistol.
How was the predator in this anymore dumb?
Jungle Hunter literally walks into a trap because of a few knives dangling visibly on a log as a red herring? Is he dumb too?
How is Feral any more moronic then in any other incarnation?
The script was tight, the protagonist was likable enough, this definitely had best predator focused action scenes in the entire franchise.
For the first time since the first two, yet even more so, we actually get to see the predator be a beastly Rastafarian athletic warrior. Running ridiculously fast, and unlike even the first two films, we get to see him jumping around with his 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 foot frame incredibly athletically, which is horrifying.
This movie was awesome. Total shot in the arm the franchise needed.
Quote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 03:58:15 AMAnd I don't get the unwavering praise it's getting.
It's clearly a better-constructed sequel than the last two movies, but it's also pretty boring to me as it lacks the pizazz that made the first movie great and stripped away all the things that make the Predator creature fascinating and cunning.
It could have been a great Predator sequel/prequel but I think they played things way too safe and in tune with the typical SLASHER flick.
Yep. Agreed, wholeheartedly. There was some good stuff, sure. But I personally didn't find it that exciting. People talk about how Predators was a rehash of the original; this one was even worse when it comes to retreading old ground.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 12, 2022, 04:26:31 AMQuote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 03:58:15 AMAnd I don't get the unwavering praise it's getting.
It's clearly a better-constructed sequel than the last two movies, but it's also pretty boring to me as it lacks the pizazz that made the first movie great and stripped away all the things that make the Predator creature fascinating and cunning.
It could have been a great Predator sequel/prequel but I think they played things way too safe and in tune with the typical SLASHER flick.
If Prey gets one thing right, it's that it made the Predator franchise accessible for a new generation of fans. Get ready, once these folks digest the entire franchise on Hulu we're going to have a ton of new fans entering. If they keep making more Prey movies pretty soon the fanbase will be Prey fans and Predator fans lol sort of like what happened with the Jurassic Park franchise, having JP fans and JW fans. :laugh:
That I can definitely see. Though it appears that there's enough of the old school fanbase that does like this movie, so perhaps the lines aren't as clear cut as new vs old.
Funny thing about the movie looking at it again. Naru caused her brother and the other 4 tribe members to get killed by the Predator. The pred is shown to be in their area when he leaves the snake skin there but didn't have any interest in hunting any of them I suppose, no way he could have missed them. Instead we do see that he was fighting with the French far off later that night.
Therefore, couldn't it be drawn that he had no interest in the Comanche until Naru purposely went off after him and brought his attention to them?
For me, as a woman, it's nice to have that first pred movie feature a strong female character (with a very talented actress no less). I thought Midthunder did great with what she was given. Naru is clearly eager to learn and very smart and capable. I liked the mud trap she sets up by the end to take Feral out... BUT the way they went about developing other aspects of the story is what ruined it for me.
The coming-of-age story, while not my first pick for a female lead Predator movie, was cheapened with the many throwaway bully male characters and then a predator creature that operates solely on "brute force" rather than the methodical and devious creature that we know it to be from previous films. It's kind of a slap to the face to think that we can't have other (male) characters more fleshed out or even a more competent Predator for such a smart female to go up against. I just think there was a lot more room for improvement.
You don't need to dumb down the surrounding characters for the audience to root for Naru. They didn't do this to Dutch. It wasn't necessary for Ripley. It wasn't necessary for Sarah Connor. It wasn't necessary for Furiosa.
Quote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 04:58:19 PMFor me, as a woman, it's nice to have that first pred movie feature a strong female character (with a very talented actress no less). I thought Midthunder did great with what she was given. Naru is clearly eager to learn and very smart and capable. I liked the mud trap she sets up by the end to take Feral out... BUT the way they went about developing other aspects of the story is what ruined it for me.
The coming-of-age story, while not my first pick for a female lead Predator movie, was cheapened with the many throwaway bully male characters and then a predator creature that operates solely on "brute force" rather than the methodical and devious creature that we know it to be from previous films. It's kind of a slap to the face to think that we can't have other (male) characters more fleshed out or even a more competent Predator for such a smart female to go up against. I just think there was a lot more room for improvement.
You don't need to dumb down the surrounding characters for the audience to root for Naru. They didn't do this to Dutch. It wasn't necessary for Ripley. It wasn't necessary for Sarah Connor. It wasn't necessary for Furiosa.
It's not the first. Alice Broga was border line co lead in Predators. And quite frankly she was the most likable person in the cast, also the most honorable character. She should've been the protagonist, period instead of cringe ass unlikable Adrien Brody.
Feral still stalks his prey like a traditional Predator. The movie is an hour and a half long, and given the lack of automatic projectile weapons or militaries, or gangs, he didn't need to be as "devious" or cunning. Or stalk for plot purposes building tension for endless amounts of time.
It was a simple, efficient, quick and straightforward plot. No need to dick around.
I think it's deliberate being a more savage take on the character not AS reliant upon technology that he prefers a more beastly and animalistic physical confrontation. And for the most part of the film he is killing animals until he gets to the Comanches and French fur trappers.
And at no point were the characters around her dumbed down. They had a justifiably archaic and tribalistic view of how and what women should mean or do in their community. And it seemed more than believable.
And more competent Predator? It is shown deliberately that her brother is by far the best and most experienced natural hunter or warrior in the tribe, and Feral lays waste to him.
Some absolutely gross exaggerations going on here :laugh:
Taabe was great, but I'd argue that the comanches who bully her are dumbed down a bit, and that the trappers felt cartoonish and very goofy.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 01:32:31 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 04:59:31 AMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 03:13:38 AMTotally don't get any negativity for Prey.
The main character has tremendous plot armor,the pred is tremendously dumb, and this is long before he got shot in the head. There's no consistency of events. The story is just bad all around.
Nah. Every protagonist that defeats a predator, it's kind of stupid, and they all have plot armor. So what's your point? Dutch included.
No, the pred has her twice and let's her go twice. Her dog saves her a couple of times. She is just not touched trough the movie, in fact, her most successful enemy is a beat trap.
QuoteIf you're implying some type of SJW, Mary Sue, Libtard, Feminazi pandering Rey type scenario here, I do not see it whatsoever.
Outside of her family member all almost all dialogue towards her from her tribe was sexist stuff. I don't know how people don't see it.
QuoteShe struggled, she learns, she wants to prove her worth (likability), she's fiercely intelligent but also lucked TF out. Just like Dutch, Harrigan, Royce etc
Her worth is as a healer. She saves a dudes life and couldn't care less because of her weird nonsense about doing it because they think she cant. That's the SJW silliness of the movie which makes here completely unlikable.
QuoteBased on how these creatures are explained in the movies, none of these humans should stand a remote chance.
Yeah and that's why Dutch had his ass handed to him in physical combat and won solely based on traps, meanwhile, this woman OVERPOWERED the predator several times.
QuoteHow was the predator in this anymore dumb?
Jungle Hunter literally walks into a trap because of a few knives dangling visibly on a log as a red herring? Is he dumb too?
How is Feral any more moronic then in any other incarnation?
Every single fight the pred has with human he just walks forward like he's Michale Meyers and here's just one example.
His first fight with humans he kills the guy with the opossum while cloaked then he decides, WHILE THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THERE LOOKING FOR HIM, to pick up the bolts from the dead dude CLEARLY revealing his position because the body is moving around as the pred pulls the bolts out.
Why was he cloaked to start if he's just going to reveal his location?
In the first movie it is clearly stated that the pred cannot see traps if they are made from the natural material that's around them because he is not able to tell foliage and the traps apart, everything looks like plants to him.
Do you see the difference? in one the predator himself put himself in a bad position while in the other a weakness was found and put to use.
QuoteThe script was tight, the protagonist was likable enough, this definitely had best predator focused action scenes in the entire franchise.
For the first time since the first two, yet even more so, we actually get to see the predator be a beastly Rastafarian athletic warrior.
The predator is a hunter and hunters are smart. I don't want to see "beastly" berserker Michale Meyer wannabes. You like the berserker stuff? Cool. To me that goes to the bottom of the pile. I want to see a dude have the upper hand with high tech weapon out maneuvering people.
QuoteThis movie was awesome. Total shot in the arm the franchise needed.
Hope this doesn't continue on because if I want to see Jason or Michael Meyer I'll go and see a Jason and Michaele Meyers movie.
I saw a lot of blood on her face after she was punched by the Comanche guys trying to find her before the Predator wiped them out. She seemed like she was working through the pain when she had been hit by the bear trap. To quote how you worded it " I don't know how people don't see it."
Been interesting seeing how selective people are with how the view media. How our own experiences and views shape the way we take in the media. Stuff that was completely spelled out and clear to me seem to be missed by others. Or others are choosing to ignore it, tough to say. We all don't see the same way, and we don't have to. Just quite interesting on how far some of us are from each other and what film we've all watched.
The Predator letting her go is no different the City Hunter not wiping out Harrigan on the roof. He's observing, he's toying, he's hunting.
Quote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 04:58:19 PMFor me, as a woman, it's nice to have that first pred movie feature a strong female character (with a very talented actress no less). I thought Midthunder did great with what she was given. Naru is clearly eager to learn and very smart and capable. I liked the mud trap she sets up by the end to take Feral out... BUT the way they went about developing other aspects of the story is what ruined it for me.
The coming-of-age story, while not my first pick for a female lead Predator movie, was cheapened with the many throwaway bully male characters and then a predator creature that operates solely on "brute force" rather than the methodical and devious creature that we know it to be from previous films. It's kind of a slap to the face to think that we can't have other (male) characters more fleshed out or even a more competent Predator for such a smart female to go up against. I just think there was a lot more room for improvement.
You don't need to dumb down the surrounding characters for the audience to root for Naru. They didn't do this to Dutch. It wasn't necessary for Ripley. It wasn't necessary for Sarah Connor. It wasn't necessary for Furiosa.
I think we're definitely on the same wavelength.
Not that I think
all the men in
all the movies have been just excellent characters :laugh: , but in this movie in particular, much of all of the supporting cast seemed to fall into either two camps: 1) A Dude-bro or 2) A Doofus. The tone of this movie was a little more serious than the first one, so I would've expected characters that weren't so...caricatured. There was so much room for improvement here.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 12, 2022, 05:40:56 PMTaabe was great, but I'd argue that the comanches who bully her are dumbed down a bit, and that the trappers felt cartoonish and very goofy.
Yes, very goofy. I mean, it's all subjective, right? But still. Lots of goofs.
Quote from: Nightlord on Aug 12, 2022, 04:33:41 PMFunny thing about the movie looking at it again. Naru caused her brother and the other 4 tribe members to get killed by the Predator. The pred is shown to be in their area when he leaves the snake skin there but didn't have any interest in hunting any of them I suppose, no way he could have missed them. Instead we do see that he was fighting with the French far off later that night.
Therefore, couldn't it be drawn that he had no interest in the Comanche until Naru purposely went off after him and brought his attention to them?
This is why I say she's not the hero of the film. We do follow her but she is not the hero. She falls more in line with Dillon in creating a situation that leads to a bunch of people being killed.
Feral also doesn't actively consider her worthy prey, he clearly takes out other predators, before she even appears on his radar as worthy of a kill. Pretty accurate to the characters code of ethics established in the first two movies. People are picking nits with this movie. I wonder if it's because it's being so glowingly reviewed, that they feel threatened over the nostalgia for the first two films, but otherwise I don't see how this isn't an absolute win for our fandom, especially after the previous two installments
People definitely come up with some weird takes.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 12, 2022, 06:11:17 PMPeople definitely come up with some weird takes.
Yet oddly don't keep the same level of heightened criticisms of other films they defend. Keep the same pessimistic and negative energy.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 12, 2022, 05:55:30 PMI saw a lot of blood on her face after she was punched by the Comanche guys trying to find her before the Predator wiped them out. She seemed like she was working through the pain when she had been hit by the bear trap. To quote how you worded it " I don't know how people don't see it."
She bit the guy she was fighting, that wasn't her blood. And I do acknowledge her greatest foe... The bear trap.
QuoteThe Predator letting her go is no different the City Hunter not wiping out Harrigan on the roof. He's observing, he's toying, he's hunting.
Harrigan turned around cause he felt something and unlike this Pred the city hunter values stealth and while he was out in the open he decided to stand still and disappear into the background.
Look, I'll give one but there's two in this film.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 06:11:02 PMFeral also doesn't actively consider her worthy prey, he clearly takes out other predators, before she even appears on his radar as worthy of a kill. Pretty accurate to the characters code of ethics established in the first two movies. People are picking nits with this movie. I wonder if it's because it's being so glowingly reviewed, that they feel threatened over the nostalgia for the first two films, but otherwise I don't see how this isn't an absolute win for our fandom, especially after the previous two installments
If she's not worthy prey while does he continue to follow her and even chase after her?
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 06:15:25 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 12, 2022, 06:11:17 PMPeople definitely come up with some weird takes.
Yet oddly don't keep the same level of heightened criticisms of other films they defend. Keep the same pessimistic and negative energy.
People are critical because the movie just came out. You should have
seen this place when The Predator came out. I'm sure The Predator fans can attest to the atmosphere LOL. Reviews of all the movies run the gamut on this site. People have some strong positive feelings for P2 that I don't quite understand.
But regardless, I AM glad that there is renewed interest in the Predator universe after this movie. I think that is a win in the long-run. I don't agree with all of the negative reviews in this thread. But IMO, pretending like the movie doesn't have problems and to NOT discuss its shortcomings...I don't think that's the way either.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 06:24:52 PMShe bit the guy she was fighting, that wasn't her blood. And I do acknowledge her greatest foe... The bear trap.
Or that she took a huge punch to the face right around then too? Like, does that not have any factor in counting here? That punch clearly puts her on her ass.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 12, 2022, 06:32:40 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 06:24:52 PMShe bit the guy she was fighting, that wasn't her blood. And I do acknowledge her greatest foe... The bear trap.
Or that she took a huge punch to the face right around then too? Like, does that not have any factor in counting here? That punch clearly puts her on her ass.
You mean the sucker punch she got after some one else got involved? because she clearly couldn't be beat in one-to-one combat? I guess, but it's not clear cause she did bite into that guy and made him bleed.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 06:50:08 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 12, 2022, 06:32:40 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 12, 2022, 06:24:52 PMShe bit the guy she was fighting, that wasn't her blood. And I do acknowledge her greatest foe... The bear trap.
Or that she took a huge punch to the face right around then too? Like, does that not have any factor in counting here? That punch clearly puts her on her ass.
You mean the sucker punch she got after some one else got involved? because she clearly couldn't be beat in one-to-one combat? I guess, but it's not clear cause she did bite into that guy and made him bleed.
Yeah, it was a sucker punch. But she still holds her own against a comanche warrior before another steps in for the cheap shot. Those warriors give Feral a bit of a run for a few minutes, and later Taabe really kicks him in the balls. That establishes, to me, how tough those guys are. And if she's able to hold her own against them, she's able to fight. So when she takes out the trappers later, it was no surprise to me that she could move like that, and later with the Predator. It's clearly established that she's a tough cookie, with a lot of fight in her, but also we see her knocked out and beat down often in the movie.
She gets roughed up, and yeah, bloody in the mouth because of the bite. But you see her get hit pretty hard during that fight. It's not just the sucker punch that leaves her dirty. To say she's never scratched is really interesting to me.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 05:33:07 PMQuote from: PredBabe on Aug 12, 2022, 04:58:19 PMFor me, as a woman, it's nice to have that first pred movie feature a strong female character (with a very talented actress no less). I thought Midthunder did great with what she was given. Naru is clearly eager to learn and very smart and capable. I liked the mud trap she sets up by the end to take Feral out... BUT the way they went about developing other aspects of the story is what ruined it for me.
The coming-of-age story, while not my first pick for a female lead Predator movie, was cheapened with the many throwaway bully male characters and then a predator creature that operates solely on "brute force" rather than the methodical and devious creature that we know it to be from previous films. It's kind of a slap to the face to think that we can't have other (male) characters more fleshed out or even a more competent Predator for such a smart female to go up against. I just think there was a lot more room for improvement.
You don't need to dumb down the surrounding characters for the audience to root for Naru. They didn't do this to Dutch. It wasn't necessary for Ripley. It wasn't necessary for Sarah Connor. It wasn't necessary for Furiosa.
It's not the first. Alice Broga was border line co lead in Predators. And quite frankly she was the most likable person in the cast, also the most honorable character. She should've been the protagonist, period instead of cringe ass unlikable Adrien Brody.
Feral still stalks his prey like a traditional Predator. The movie is an hour and a half long, and given the lack of automatic projectile weapons or militaries, or gangs, he didn't need to be as "devious" or cunning. Or stalk for plot purposes building tension for endless amounts of time.
It was a simple, efficient, quick and straightforward plot. No need to dick around.
I think it's deliberate being a more savage take on the character not AS reliant upon technology that he prefers a more beastly and animalistic physical confrontation. And for the most part of the film he is killing animals until he gets to the Comanches and French fur trappers.
And at no point were the characters around her dumbed down. They had a justifiably archaic and tribalistic view of how and what women should mean or do in their community. And it seemed more than believable.
And more competent Predator? It is shown deliberately that her brother is by far the best and most experienced natural hunter or warrior in the tribe, and Feral lays waste to him.
Some absolutely gross exaggerations going on here :laugh:
I meant as a leading female role... otherwise we could sit here all day and discuss Isabelle, Casey, Anna or Leona for that matter.
You may not feel it's necessary for the Predator to stalk and observe its prey, but I think it brings a different feel to the creature. Especially if this is truly their first time on Earth, as the movie suggests, and especially if Feral is taking on opponents head-on.
In regards to other characters, again I think a lot more could have been established than what was presented, especially with the Frenchmen. Taabe and Naru were the only strong characters and while I get that characters are ultimately going to get killed off, there was room for more conversations outside of belittling the main character.
Quote from: Wysps on Aug 12, 2022, 06:28:20 PMQuote from: Pu$$yFace on Aug 12, 2022, 06:15:25 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 12, 2022, 06:11:17 PMPeople definitely come up with some weird takes.
Yet oddly don't keep the same level of heightened criticisms of other films they defend. Keep the same pessimistic and negative energy.
People are critical because the movie just came out. You should have seen this place when The Predator came out. I'm sure The Predator fans can attest to the atmosphere LOL. Reviews of all the movies run the gamut on this site. People have some strong positive feelings for P2 that I don't quite understand.
But regardless, I AM glad that there is renewed interest in the Predator universe after this movie. I think that is a win in the long-run. I don't agree with all of the negative reviews in this thread. But IMO, pretending like the movie doesn't have problems and to NOT discuss its shortcomings...I don't think that's the way either.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I'm glad that it's bringing attention to the series- even if there is a bit of a split within the fandom. I can appreciate the movie for attracting newcomers- I know my man really enjoyed it as it seems to have sparked his interest. But can't help but have my reserves for it...
The other Comanche hunters were a bit thinly written, basically asshole jocks from an 80s teen movie. But they're barely in it, so it doesn't really hurt the film all that much for me. I think the French trappers worked just fine for what the movie was doing.
While I don't really like how they handled flintlock sub-plot, I liked the character of Raphael Adolini. He was kinda pathetic but not in an annoying way, you feel bad that he got tangled up in all that mess. He also was probably the only character other than Taabe who was somewhat nice to Naru which helped make him more likable
Just watched this again with a bunch of friends and it just reinforces how I feel.
Absolutely f**king love this film now in my top four.
Love the score this time and the exposed mandibles are so clever in terms of a way of giving Feral more personality.
Spoiler
New Ranking:
Alien
Alien³
Predator
Prey
Aliens
Predator 2
Predators
Alien Resurrection
Alien Covenant/Prometheus
I'm gonna chalk that putting Resurrection above Prometheus/Covenant up to [cancerblack]'s bad influence
You mean good influence then. :P
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 12, 2022, 09:33:08 PMYou mean good influence then. :P
But what if my argument wasn't that the prequels are bad, but that Rez is good?
I don't think it's good, I do think it's fun, and that's more than I can say for Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
Sometimes I just have trouble understanding people. I thought you loved Covenant
I can appreciate it because I am an Alien fanatic and can see the worth in it but... it is not good.
I've been thinking about it, why people don't get the success, and I think I have the answer.
You underestimate the power that a good doggo has over the masses.
You may have a point. I'm not a dog person and while I think the movie is very good, I'm not wetting the bed over it either.
I am a dog person and I think the Coco hype needs to stop.
I absolutely love it but Coco has not a ton to do with it.
Well actually... I did really enjoy the last viewing with my friend nicknamed Coco...
Was Coco hype for Coco?
;) Of course.
♫ We'd rather have the bark of Coco Wuffs. ♫
Honestly with the big deal people were making about the dog, I was surprised how little of the movie it was actually in. It just kind of disappears for portions of it.
What's the big deal with the dog? It's not like it's the first time we see a dog in a movie?
There was nothing about this movie that was iconic. No iconic characters, No tension, no iconic dialogs, Design of the Predator was shit, the cgi was shit and will definitely look worse in couple of years. Where is all this super hype coming from?
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Feral's an already iconic design.
Naru and Taabe are now among my favourite characters in either Alien or Predator franchise.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 12:40:50 PMhttps://c.tenor.com/F0EndCm50WsAAAAC/prey-predator.gif
Feral's an already iconic design.
Naru and Taabe are now among my favourite characters in either Alien or Predator franchise.
If that's what you feel then I say, good for you 👌🏽. This has nothing to do with being a hater, just because I don't like a design doesn't mean I'm a hater, it's called preference and if you like Feral then I'm glad for you and actually I like this movie better than The Predator and also Predators, but the super hype needs to stop is what I think.
No.
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Let people express their joy.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 12:46:39 PMNo.
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Let people express their joy.
If you took your time and read what I wrote you would have found out that I said if that's what you like then I'm happy for you.
I definitely read what you wrote, I just think the hype's appropriate.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 12:48:42 PMI definitely read what you wrote, I just think the hype's appropriate.
Well if that's what you think then good for you 😉
Why does the hype bother you? Or anyone?
You should be happy the franchise is getting this kind of attention, it's long overdue. It's nice to have predator back in the headlines I say. Bring on the hype train.
Your fine if people like the film, as long as they just don't like it so much.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhat's the big deal with the dog? It's not like it's the first time we see a dog in a movie?
There was nothing about this movie that was iconic. No iconic characters, No tension, no iconic dialogs, Design of the Predator was shit, the cgi was shit and will definitely look worse in couple of years. Where is all this super hype coming from?
I don't think it's "super hype". I think it's just people responding to a movie that is competantly made, by a director with something to say, that's thematically strong, and gives us something a bit different.
It's not "super hype" to enjoy a film that's got all it's moving parts working.
As for the CGI. I watched
Doctor Who - The Ark in Space the other day. It's from about 1974. One of the monsters is literally a guy wrapped in green bubble-wrap sleeping bag. It's shot in a brightly lit BBC studio. It looks pretty bad really. But the script is intelligent and the actors totally sell it, and it is rightly seen as a classic.
The quality of special effects matters a lot less than you'd think.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 13, 2022, 01:23:19 PMWhy does the hype bother you? Or anyone?
You should be happy the franchise is getting this kind of attention, it's long overdue. It's nice to have predator back in the headlines I say. Bring on the hype train.
Your fine if people like the film, as long as they just don't like it so much.
I would be happy if the movie deserves its hype,but it don't. Actually I'm fine if anyone like it, but I dont have to love it, and since this is a discussion board then I'm happy to throw out the things I don't like about this movie. I mean what can I expect from someone who rank alien 3 and Prey abow aliens 🤦
Trying to imagine myself having an issue with a movie getting hype or attention just because I don't like it. Can't say that I have.
I mean if people loved AvPR and it was hyped up I wouldn't give a fudge. Good for the franchise.
Anyway people are super silly.
And who cares how someone ranks the films they like? Immature to bring it up in order to discredit their opinion.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 13, 2022, 01:35:31 PMTrying to imagine myself having an issue with a movie getting hype or attention just because I don't like it. Can't say that I have.
I mean if people loved AvPR and it was hyped up I wouldn't give a fudge. Good for the franchise.
Anyway people are super silly.
That's why I said, if anyone loves this movie then they love it, ain't nothing to it. But then again, this is a discussion board so anyone can express whatever they feel about this or another movie.
What can you expect? Excellent taste of course. ;D
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 01:42:10 PMWhat can you expect? Excellent taste of course. ;D
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I bet you spent one hour trying to find a fitting picture 😂😂😂😂
I don't have to deal with anything. The taste is different and I stand by my words. You love then go ahead and love it, but don't go around calling me or anyone else for a hater because we don't like this movie as much as predator one and two or a hater because I don't rank Alien 3 and Prey abow Aliens
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 01:30:23 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 13, 2022, 01:23:19 PMWhy does the hype bother you? Or anyone?
You should be happy the franchise is getting this kind of attention, it's long overdue. It's nice to have predator back in the headlines I say. Bring on the hype train.
Your fine if people like the film, as long as they just don't like it so much.
I would be happy if the movie deserves its hype,but it don't. Actually I'm fine if anyone like it, but I dont have to love it, and since this is a discussion board then I'm happy to throw out the things I don't like about this movie. I mean what can I expect from someone who rank alien 3 and Prey abow aliens 🤦
I'm generally opposed to hype but it's good in this situation. It will help correct course on Alien/Predator content after all the years of low-effort, faux-intellectual mediocrity. Is Prey a 10/10 movie? Yet to be seen. I'm still digesting it. But the fact of the matter is that it's a far more intelligent and stylistically-savory movie than stuff like Predators.
The hype and enthusiasm surrounding Prey will encourage more media like it to be made for the franchise(s).
Regardless, though. It's not hurting you, so just ignore it if it's overwhelming. That's what I do for Charizard in Pokemon. It's good for the future though, so it's a bit selfish to say it should be gone.
Not really, I just really dig Mass Effect.
I used a gif that had #Preysweep in it, and you took that seriously? Alright. Lmao.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhat's the big deal with the dog? It's not like it's the first time we see a dog in a movie?
There was nothing about this movie that was iconic. No iconic characters, No tension, no iconic dialogs, Design of the Predator was shit, the cgi was shit and will definitely look worse in couple of years. Where is all this super hype coming from?
Everyone likes a good Coco :3
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 01:54:05 PMNot really, I just really dig Mass Effect.
I used a gif that had #Preysweep in it, and you took that seriously? Alright. Lmao.
Nah, no hard feelings, let's leave it at that or else we gonna find Hicks here any second throwing warnings.
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Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhere is all this super hype coming from?
The large swaths of people that enjoy the movie, presumably.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 13, 2022, 02:12:04 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhere is all this super hype coming from?
The people that enjoy the movie, presumably.
Oh man, you also? Aight then 😂
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 02:14:34 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 13, 2022, 02:12:04 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhere is all this super hype coming from?
The people that enjoy the movie, presumably.
Oh man, you also? Aight then 😂
Oh yeah, big time.
Predators has its moments, but really, as someone that wasn't born yet when the first two films released,
Prey is the first time a movie with a Predator in it has been great in my lifetime.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 13, 2022, 02:16:23 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 02:14:34 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 13, 2022, 02:12:04 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhere is all this super hype coming from?
The people that enjoy the movie, presumably.
Oh man, you also? Aight then 😂
Oh yeah, big time. Predators has its moments for sure, but really, as someone that wasn't born yet when the first two films released, Prey is the first time a movie with a Predator in it has been great in my lifetime.
I won't tell you that you are wrong, I mean the movie is better then recent predator movie and slightly better than Predators so I dig what you say but for me it's different, I love the first two so much so I need me something huge to happen so I can love a new Predator movie. I think for me when KPH passed, he took the predator with him.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 13, 2022, 01:55:00 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhat's the big deal with the dog? It's not like it's the first time we see a dog in a movie?
There was nothing about this movie that was iconic. No iconic characters, No tension, no iconic dialogs, Design of the Predator was shit, the cgi was shit and will definitely look worse in couple of years. Where is all this super hype coming from?
Everyone likes a good Coco :3
Not me. I'm Coco intolerant.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 13, 2022, 02:24:42 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 13, 2022, 01:55:00 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 13, 2022, 12:32:27 PMWhat's the big deal with the dog? It's not like it's the first time we see a dog in a movie?
There was nothing about this movie that was iconic. No iconic characters, No tension, no iconic dialogs, Design of the Predator was shit, the cgi was shit and will definitely look worse in couple of years. Where is all this super hype coming from?
Everyone likes a good Coco :3
Not me. I'm Coco intolerant.
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I still remember when Predator 2 was the hated sequel lol. Didn't start picking up the love until the last 10-15 years. More so after Predators was released.
I mean I always loved it, but everyone else I knew dumped on that film hard.
Cocolyte's still in that camp somewhat I believe, didn't like Aliens all that much, didn't like Predator 2 or Predators at all. Loved Alien³ and liked Alien and liked Prey.
Movies don't instantly become iconic, that takes time.
Here are my thoughts on Prey.
I do not see the point in numbering past three, as it's an anthology.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:02:02 PMWhile I don't really like how they handled flintlock sub-plot, I liked the character of Raphael Adolini. He was kinda pathetic but not in an annoying way, you feel bad that he got tangled up in all that mess. He also was probably the only character other than Taabe who was somewhat nice to Naru which helped make him more likable
One of the big reasons Prey loses any points with me is because Taabe and Raphael are given so little screen time. It felt like a huge miss not featuring the actors/characters that really carried the spirit of the film. If they had been featured more my 7/10 would probably be closer to an 8.5/10.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 13, 2022, 03:24:03 PMI still remember when Predator 2 was the hated sequel lol. Didn't start picking up the love until the last 10-15 years. More so after Predators was released.
I mean I always loved it, but everyone else I knew dumped on that film hard.
Yeah because everything Predator after it has been worst and worst. And when you have something even more worst than the previous thing it makes that thing look better.
Pred 2 is a 100% better than prey.
It's not. I adore Predator 2 it's a fun movie, but to be pretentious here, Prey and Predator are films.
I watched Predator 2 last night. It has not aged well. I don't get why they decided to go for Verhoeven-style camp and satire. The first movie was fairly grounded and serious by comparison.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2022, 09:06:23 PMI watched Predator 2 last night. It has not aged well. I don't get why they decided to go for Verhoeven-style camp and satire. The first movie was fairly grounded and serious by comparison.
If you don't think Predator 2 has aged well wait 30 years and watch prey then you gonna see what aging means. The cgi already looks terrible for a movie made in 2022. Back when predator 2 came out everything looked great compared to Prey.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 13, 2022, 08:38:30 PMYeah because everything Predator after it has been worst and worst. And when you have something even more worst than the previous thing it makes that thing look better.
Pred 2 is a 100% better than prey.
Agreed. Predator 2 is still the strongest sequel, but Prey breaks the cycle of diminishing returns big time which is really nice too see. Gives me faith this franchise still has a lot of life left. And it's connecting with an entirely new audience which is exciting.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 09:01:52 PMIt's not. I adore Predator 2 it's a fun movie, but to be pretentious here, Prey and Predator are films.
Once again, it's not for you, but for some of us it's much better than prey.
It is absolutely for me I love it to bits, I just think it is overhyped like Aliens frankly.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 09:17:04 PMIt is absolutely for me I love it to bits, I just think it is overhyped like Aliens frankly.
The Jamaica pose, Voodoo Magic, king Willie, predator in town, skinned bodies hanging, come on now...
Yes I love all that stuff, I still think Prey's a much better film, both things can be completely true.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2022, 09:06:23 PMI watched Predator 2 last night. It has not aged well. I don't get why they decided to go for Verhoeven-style camp and satire. The first movie was fairly grounded and serious by comparison.
That's what I love about it. Those little moments add up. El Scorpio with the coke face tweeking out and the subway businessman pulling his gun out at the gang felt right out of Robocop, and it's just perfect late 80s/early 90s pulp. I get why people would rank Prey higher than Predator 2 now, but there's just something about that first sequel lol.
Don't get me wrong: I still think P2 is a better Predator movie than Prey.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 13, 2022, 09:35:22 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2022, 09:06:23 PMI watched Predator 2 last night. It has not aged well. I don't get why they decided to go for Verhoeven-style camp and satire. The first movie was fairly grounded and serious by comparison.
That's what I love about it. Those little moments add up. El Scorpio with the coke face tweeking out and the subway businessman pulling his gun out at the gang felt right out of Robocop, and it's just perfect late 80s/early 90s pulp. I get why people would rank Prey higher than Predator 2 now, but there's just something about that first sequel lol.
El scorpio is also in the first predator movie.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2022, 09:36:30 PMDon't get me wrong: I still think P2 is better Predator movie than Prey.
Now that's what's up👌🏽
Rose tinted glasses I genuinely think.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 09:50:56 PMRose tinted glasses I genuinely think.
The good ol days 😎
Yeah the fact some old heads think that without irony.
I think Prey is a better movie.
But I'd rather watch P2.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 09:50:56 PMRose tinted glasses I genuinely think.
For me it's taste. Robocop is my favorite movie of all time. But my second favorite movie of all time is Upstream Color so go figure :laugh:
Getting off topic though. I watched Predators again last night. That's such a hard movie for me to peg. I genuinely like the performances from Brody, Grace, Braga, and Ozawa. The Predators look amazing when they're wearing their masks. It has the best kill in any Predator movie ( Stans, rip ), but there's just something about it that doesn't elevate it. If any movie in the series feels like The Force Awakens it's Predators imo. Just feels beat for beat in a way. I watched it again to make sure I was ranking Prey correctly. I can definitely say that for me, Prey is better than Predators.
I think they're about equal. They're flawed in different ways. There's plenty to like in both of them but for me they both lack that special sauce that makes them something great.
The acting is inconsistent, the writing is often clunky in both, they both somehow reuse too much and too little. It's weird.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 09:01:52 PMIt's not. I adore Predator 2 it's a fun movie, but to be pretentious here, Prey and Predator are films.
Prey's script is a total mess. They drop info which the films ignores the very next scene. The French know how the pred hunts, no explanation how they got this, and on the very next scene they setup a trap in a way that's the complete opposite in how the pred hunts. Two people tied to a tree bleeding. Do the French know this Pred is also super dumb? How?
You mean Raphael Adolini's hypothesis that he imparts to Naru, when he's clearly not the leader, or listened to all that much?
It's also heavily implied that the explosion in the forest Naru sees that puts her off kilter when facing the mountain Lion's the Fur Trappers fighting the Predator, being that they are said to have encountered it before, it's a obvious connection of the dots present.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 10:24:26 PMYou mean Raphael Adolini's hypothesis that he imparts to Naru, when he's clearly not the leader, or listened to all that much?
Where do you get the idea he's not listened to all? He walks up to the boss and asks him to get info from her and the boss says sure.
The only thing we get of him interacting with the boss is the boss listening to him.
QuoteIt's also heavily implied that the explosion in the forest Naru sees that puts her off kilter when facing the mountain Lion's the Fur Trappers fighting the Predator, being that they are said to have encountered it before, it's a obvious connection of the dots present.
How is it heavily implied? all we get is a roar and his cloak sparking like it always sparks from hits. If the pred met the French at that moment why isn't he attacking them through the whole film? instead we get him messing around with animals and only meeting them by chance because he chased some one into their camp.
There is no solid info in any degree that shows how the French know so much.
I'm getting the impression it's relatively well regarded around here, but I'd never have generally thought Predator 2 was that overhyped / overrated, if anything probably underrated and not widely liked. I personally like it a lot but I'd agree that it's probably more a "fun film" than a "good film". For me though, that over the top, Robocop-esque, hyperviolent world is exactly why it works. It makes it memorable. That and Danny Glover and Bill Paxton carry it.
Prey may be a more competent and technically better made film, though even that i'd maybe dispute based on the CGI, but it's boring and pretentious. It takes itself too seriously for most of the film, then throws in a whole bunch of dumb non characters in just to be killed off by a dumb monster to make the main character look better by comparison.
I'm sure it's blasphemy to say, but I actually enjoyed The Predator more. It was a trainwreck, but i genuinely found it quite funny and entertaining for the first half. That's my lasting impression. With Prey it's like "Um, well the cinematography was nice and uh..." Anyway, I'm not here to hate on anyone who loves it, and didn't even hate the film, i just found it so..."meh". So the idea that it would be comparable to (or even better than) P2 is just a bit out there for me.
I get it from the very next scene, where the leader's displayed to be a complete violent belligerent oaf of a man and they set it up in a way to capture the Predator which they partially succeed in with the net, but ultimately underestimate it.
Meaning either Raphael Adolini underestimated it by leaving the best Prey as bait to make it investigate them, or the leader did, we never get clarification.
It's clear they have encountered Feral before in some capacity otherwise how would they even know of the thing's existence?
Feral did not consistently attack the Fur Trappers for I thought anyway fairly self explanatory reasons, the same reason he did not attack Naru and Taabe's party immediately, but instead left a man for dead who they rescue near the lion's den early in the film, and also the same reason it skinned the snake alive, to play with his food because it is a Predator.
Feral didn't leave the guy in the mountain lion's den, the mountain lion did.
Once Feral starts killing people the movie starts moving along a bit breathlessly and never lets any tension rise. We go from the massacre of the French to the final fight without letting the audience resettle and the tension to build back up, making the whole thing feel perfunctory.
The dialogue is stilted but lacks the hyperrealistic tone or scenery chewing deliveries of the original to make it work. Taabe and Naru talking about their hunts by the stream was not great.
We have no idea if it did that intentionally or if the mountain lion just sensed it and vacated.
It scared away the mountain lion, as Naru surmises later, that's what I mean by Feral left him there but did not go after the lion, the only reason to do that's to f**k with people, to observe. That Naru actually notices him doing before she gets knocked out and thrusts with her spear.
That's absolutely not true, we go from the massacre to rescuing Sarii, to Raphael Adolini's death, to Taabe's death and long enough mourning Taabe, then to the stream and the final fight.
I think the dialogue's just fine, that initial conversation's the film's worst acting though, but the best more than makes up for it frankly. The way Taabe says "I did." But you can tell he's just trying to hurt Naru and protect her at that point and does not really mean it, to then come around by the point they are both tied up's great stuff if you ask me. "You see what I miss, you always have."
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 11:31:31 PMIt scared away the mountain lion, as Naru surmises later, that's what I mean by Feral left him there but did not go after the lion, the only reason to do that's to f**k with people, to observe. That Naru actually notices him doing before she gets knocked out and thrusts with her spear.
As I said above, we don't know if it intentionally scared off the mountain lion. Or what it was doing in the trees.
QuoteThat's absolutely not true, we go from the massacre to rescuing Sarii, to Raphael Adolini's death, to Taabe's death and long enough mourning Taabe, then to the stream and the final fight.
Yes, we go from action to action to action to a brief pause of mourning, then we just plow through the setup into the finale.
Compare with
Predator, which takes a good breather to show Dutch setting up and Jungle Hunter cleaning his trophies and lets us really amp up for the final fight.
Quoteto then come around by the point they are both tied up's great stuff if you ask me.
I maintain Beavers was at gunpoint to deliver "If it bleeds, we can kill it". Awful delivery but throwing that line in didn't deserve any better.
We can roughly surmise what it is doing in the trees because we see it from a point of view in the prior scene when they find the snake though. It's observing in some capacity that much's clear, it does a lot of denoting of what's Predator and what's Prey early on. Even if you do not agree on the lion the skinning itself still proves my point.
It having different pacing does not make it superior or inferior though, just different, I genuinely felt more tension in the one scene of Naru hiding behind the tree when Raphael Adolini played dead than the other three films combined.
That line's not great, but on rewatch I didn't find it nearly as jarring, the dialogue directly before it and after it makes up for it.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 11:45:48 PMWe can roughly surmise what it is doing in the trees because we see it from a point of view in the prior scene when they find the snake though. It's observing in some capacity that much's clear, it does a lot of denoting of what's Predator and what's Prey early on. Even if you do not agree on the lion the skinning itself still proves my point.
The skinning shows he just straight up murders things as soon as he sees them do anything mildly interesting so I'm not sure how it proves the point he was observing and messing with anyone. Surely it would've killed the mountain lion if it ran into it.
QuoteIt having different pacing does not make it superior or inferior though, just different,
Different in itself, no. But this
is inferior pacing as it barges too quickly into the showdown. Let it breathe, let it build.
Whether he knew it would live or not's hardly the point though. He does not kill the Wolf immediately though, he waits for it to chase down the Rabbit so, the mountain lion never finished the job for whatever reason, being spooked or something.
I agree to disagree, I like that it does not waste time, although I could go for more as I like Naru, as I find her more interesting to watch than I found Dutch, he's in part just Arnold Schwarzenegger to me.
The pacing's just right for the film in my opinion.
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 12:14:26 AMWhether he knew it would live or not's hardly the point though.
Knew what would live? The snake?
It was dead. That was a reflex when it struck.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 11:09:26 PMI get it from the very next scene, where the leader's displayed to be a complete violent belligerent oaf of a man and they set it up in a way to capture the Predator which they partially succeed in with the net, but ultimately underestimate it.
Meaning either Raphael Adolini underestimated it by leaving the best Prey as bait to make it investigate them, or the leader did, we never get clarification.
So these bad scenes get blamed on the characters and not the people who wrote the characters?
Sorry but even dumb characters need to be shown to be dumb instead of having the viewer make up a reason they are dumb.
QuoteIt's clear they have encountered Feral before in some capacity otherwise how would they even know of the thing's existence?
There's another prequel, of course. The amount of info they have means they either had to be fighting the pred for several days or following him for several days. This movie happens over a few days and we see neither.
QuoteFeral did not consistently attack the Fur Trappers for I thought anyway fairly self explanatory reasons, the same reason he did not attack Naru and Taabe's party immediately, but instead left a man for dead who they rescue near the lion's den early in the film, and also the same reason it skinned the snake alive, to play with his food because it is a Predator.
The search party did not get into a fight with the pred while your idea is that the French got into the fight with the pred. Do you see the difference? you are saying that the pred fought them, took hits, and went on to ignore them for days? Why?
The fur trappers are played for laughs against the Predator, once with the reloading, once with the ricochet, and once with the guy holding the knife pinned against the tree.
Because I know what's happening by Feral's behaviour just put of sight between him and the fur trappers anyway.
I don't need to actually see Predator 1987 again with the fur trappers whilst following Naru's narrative.
I think the pacing and the dialogue was fine, even if the amateur acting would show itself at times, this was the first time Tabee's actor ever acted, and with that in mind, I think he did a pretty good job.
I'm perfectly fine with the French Hunters knowing about Feral, it would make sense that at some point one of them saw it or was killed by it, we don't see everything the Pred is doing, frankly, this is one of the weakest criticisms I've seen
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Hey, that's The Old One! I remember her!
Also, I really, really hope we get some sort of DVD release with some deleted scenes and BTS commentary about everything that didn't make the cut, I feel like Raphael, the Tribe Chief, Naru's mother, Tabee's friends and that little girl all had scenes cut from the movie
The simplest answer is they saw the remains of the Comanche and realised it clearly wasn't human or animal.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:31:58 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 12, 2022, 05:52:44 AMYeah, I definitely found a new ringtone 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ggIWkQLD4
Are ringtones still a thing?
Anyway, I came here to say that there's now three good Predator movies,
Oh, actually I agree. Prey is my second favorite movie after Predator. People say that they don't get the good reception. But honestly, and while they have a right to dislike the movie, maybe they don't really understand what makes a movie good in the first place, and I think sometimes we're dealing with artistic merits that are beyond lore.
I liked Naru's arc, Feral's design, the execution of the action sequences and especially the music 😍 it's just too perfect and unique, for a Predator movie.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:31:58 AM(the Predator franchise can keep the AvPs, we don't want them)
That's "The Predator" trilogy. ;D
I'm a romantic so this movie is not for me.I need the grainy picture, the pratical effects galore, the Winston faced preds and the skinned bodies hanging and Silvestri.Everything felt forced, from the too evil french guys to the medikit scene.They've based the whole story on politics, hence why there are all these plot holes and plot armor.The good thing is that a lot of people like it, so the fact that the predator needs to be a sunday hunter again should be noticed by the studio.Who knows, maybe we'll get Greyback back the next time.A lot of people hated the face design also, this could be noticed too, and help our cause.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 01:14:05 AMThe simplest answer is they saw the remains of the Comanche and realised it clearly wasn't human or animal.
I really got the impression the movie wanted me to assume they'd run into it earlier that day/the day before. Which is entirely reasonable.
The way the film shows the Predator's progression from snake to wolf to bear to human doesn't really leave a lot of room for it to have had a random encounter in between.
Like sure, it could've. But the film does a real bad job of giving that impression with so many people pointing it out.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 09:12:29 PMThe way the film shows the Predator's progression from snake to wolf to bear to human doesn't really leave a lot of room for it to have had a random encounter in between.
Like sure, it could've. But the film does a real bad job of giving that impression with so many people pointing it out.
It was butchering a trapper when Naru was in the tree, easy.
They found the corpses of the other Comanche. Maybe even saw them being attacked. Just as easy.
But we do see some commotion including Predator when Naru's on the tree.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 10:05:01 PMThey found the corpses of the other Comanche. Maybe even saw them being attacked. Just as easy.
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Quote from: Yautja888 on Aug 14, 2022, 08:53:57 PMThey've based the whole story on politics, hence why there are all these plot holes and plot armor.
Politics? What politics? Do you mean the
tribal politics in-story? I'm not sure how the whole "you-can't-be-a-hunter" thing leads to plot holes.
Other than that, I don't get any political subtext at all.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Aug 14, 2022, 10:31:23 PMOther than that, I don't get any political subtext at all.
because there isn't any
Yeah it's made up outrage. Any excuse to yell woke and it's game on.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 03:44:04 PMCocolyte's still in that camp somewhat I believe, didn't like Aliens all that much, didn't like Predator 2 or Predators at all. Loved Alien³ and liked Alien and liked Prey.
It's true it's true. I really didn't like Predator 2. I thought it was lame. Aliens is something I can see some merit in, but idk if I enjoy it any more than on the most surface level possible. I think that's my most controversial opinion, and having thought about it for a couple months I could probably write a dissertation criticizing it, but that's a story for another thread. I liked
parts of Predators. It's just that it's 2 hours of the same thing, and I got bored pretty quickly of that.
Here's my list in order of favorites, with some spacing to denote big jumps in favor -
Alien³
Alien
Prey
Predator
Alien Resurrection (babby is love <3)
Aliens
Prometheus
Predator 2
Predators
Covenant
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 14, 2022, 10:35:42 PMQuote from: NecronomIV on Aug 14, 2022, 10:31:23 PMOther than that, I don't get any political subtext at all.
because there isn't any
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 14, 2022, 11:25:35 PMYeah it's made up outrage. Any excuse to yell woke and it's game on.
To say there's no modern social commentary is a bit disingenuous, as there has been a definite resurgence of girl power in media these last few years, and I'm sure the filmmakers were building on (or at least aware of) that trend. But I think what differentiates Prey from something more inflammatory is the execution. Prey doesn't feel like it's trying to fan the flames of outrage like some buzzfeed listicle. It's more just saying something valid about gender bias and telling a story there.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 14, 2022, 11:25:35 PMYeah it's made up outrage. Any excuse to yell woke and it's game on.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 14, 2022, 11:40:13 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 14, 2022, 11:25:35 PMYeah it's made up outrage. Any excuse to yell woke and it's game on.
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yeah pretty much this tbh lol
The Predator series is actually one of the franchises that I think MOST lends itself to a movie about gender bias to women. It's always had commentaries on masculinity. I mean, like... look at its mouth lol
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 14, 2022, 11:31:47 PMTo say there's no modern social commentary is a bit disingenuous, as there has been a definite resurgence of girl power in media these last few years, and I'm sure the filmmakers were building on (or at least aware of) that trend. But I think what differentiates Prey from something more inflammatory is the execution. Prey doesn't feel like it's trying to fan the flames of outrage like some buzzfeed listicle. It's more just saying something valid about gender bias and telling a story there.
It's a predator movie. Why are we getting a defeating gender roles as the main plot of a predator movie?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 12:01:11 AMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 14, 2022, 11:31:47 PMTo say there's no modern social commentary is a bit disingenuous, as there has been a definite resurgence of girl power in media these last few years, and I'm sure the filmmakers were building on (or at least aware of) that trend. But I think what differentiates Prey from something more inflammatory is the execution. Prey doesn't feel like it's trying to fan the flames of outrage like some buzzfeed listicle. It's more just saying something valid about gender bias and telling a story there.
It's a predator movie. Why are we getting a defeating gender roles as the main plot of a predator movie?
Predator has had themes of what it means to be a man since the very beginning. Gender roles are like a foundational pillar of the franchise.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 12:01:11 AMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 14, 2022, 11:31:47 PMTo say there's no modern social commentary is a bit disingenuous, as there has been a definite resurgence of girl power in media these last few years, and I'm sure the filmmakers were building on (or at least aware of) that trend. But I think what differentiates Prey from something more inflammatory is the execution. Prey doesn't feel like it's trying to fan the flames of outrage like some buzzfeed listicle. It's more just saying something valid about gender bias and telling a story there.
It's a predator movie. Why are we getting a defeating gender roles as the main plot of a predator movie?
You realise that what you are talking about exists and has existed in the real world. Quite literally. Thinking that everything (Everything) made these day's is to somehow take down men is just whack. You been hanging out on youtube too long.
As for the "Is it better than" I find this really tough, because Predator 2 is firmly planted in the Predator world, expands the lore, keeps the theme.
I think Prey is more like.....Rogue One. It's a really good movie that's kinda telling the same tales, but off somewhere to the side, so I can't really say it's "Better" than Predator 2. It's just something else that's good.
If I had to do a ranking of all the Alien and Predator movies, it would go something along these lines:
1. Predator/Alien (tied)
2. Aliens
3. Predator 2
4. Alien Covenant
5. Prometheus
6. Alien 3
7. AVP
8. Prey
9. Predators
10. The Predator
11. Alien Resurrection
12. AVPR
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 12:01:11 AMIt's a predator movie. Why are we getting a defeating gender roles as the main plot of a predator movie?
Here's a plot:
Quotea Predator comes to Earth and hunts humans in the same way that humans hunt animals, until one of those humans defeat it.
This can describe at least
three Predator films. Nothing about gender in any of that.
Maybe you mean the
story?
- The first one is about a soldier who remembers the tactics of the Viet Cong to defeat a technically superior foe;
- the second is about a detective in a chaotic situation solving the case of a series of murders;
- the third is about a healer who has something to prove, and recognises something is wrong with the natural environment.
Nothing about any of those says the main character must be of any particular gender.
Any of those plots, or stories (including Prey) could work just fine gender-switched. I'm not saying the specific scripts wouldn't need alteration however.
For example, Prey could work if the main character was a male who was considered weak and not a real hunter, or disabled/injured, or even just too old. And there could be some really interesting angles to explore there as well. However, I suspect that there would be the same incomprehensible outrage if you cast an actor not seen as an action hero, or hyper-masculine, say Elija Wood.
But I think the writer/director picked the most interesting combination of elements, and gave us something way more refreshing than watching a 2022 Arnold-Actor-Equivalant wrestling with the same special effect as 1987 in the same story.
The fundamental property of a Predator film is that it has a Predator in it, hunting things/people. That is the
main plot.
Prey satisfies that 100%.
@NecronomIV right now be like
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The plot is the summary of events while the story is the explanation of the events.
The plot of prey is about a woman that has an obsession with gender roles that randomly comes across some tracks and decides to hunt the creator of the tracks.
The predator isn't even part of what's going on because he isn't doing anything that deals with her.
Predator is about a rescue team being called to a mission that turns out to not be a rescue and leads them to the hunting ground of an alien creature.
The predator creates the situation that brings in a second team.
Pred 2 is about a Predator getting in the middle of a cartel war which brings the attention of the police dealing with this war.
This time around the predator steps in and causes an issue to the main character early on.
Again, in Prey the pred is having his own vacation not causing an issues with anything until the main character pushes her way in because of her gender role issues.
And I'm not saying the pred wouldn't have caused issues with the humans eventually but in the story presented in this movie the main character caused the initial confrontation. The focus is mostly on her. That's different than being called in for a fake rescue and a cop doing his job.
"People doing their job a before running into the Predator " is the story of Predator, Predator 2 and Prey.
Naru isn't obsessed with gender roles, she just wants to be a hunter. Her brother never questions it and when she arrives with the Predator's head at the end nobody loses their mind over a wOmAn bringing home a big trophy.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 07:31:41 AMThe predator isn't even part of what's going on because he isn't doing anything that deals with her.
I think we're talking about different movies here
Prey draws direct visual contrast between the Predator and Naru developing their hunting.
Juxtaposition is a valid storytelling tool.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:42:50 AMPrey draws direct visual contrast between the Predator and Naru developing their hunting.
Juxtaposition is a valid storytelling tool.
Indeed, every Predator film (by which I mean Predator, Predator 2 and Prey) 'anti-mirrors' the main character with its Predator. Prey excels at that
I'd say Predators does the same. Royce is competent. The Berserkers... not so much.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:50:41 AMI'd say Predators does the same. Royce is competent. The Berserkers... not so much.
I have to rewatch Predators, it bores the tears out of me mate so I don't do that frequently (even sold my slipcase BR with Falconer on it). I only remember the script chock-full of edgy lines, the terrible late 00s color scheme (orange n teal), the painfully hilarious performance by the Super Predators that do a worse job than one Jungle or City Hunter, and the likes
Cool suits tho
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:37:52 AM"People doing their job a before running into the Predator " is the story of Predator, Predator 2 and Prey.
The movie is about wanting to take a test to become a hunter. The only job she has is being a healer. She has no job the requires her to act.
QuoteNaru isn't obsessed with gender roles, she just wants to be a hunter.
Because you all think I cant. That's her reason. She doesn't say "I like doing this" she says she wants to do this to prove that she can.
QuoteHer brother never questions it
Yes he does. After the ceremony he ends up getting angry at her saying she isn't ready and to not go after whatever she saw.
Quoteand when she arrives with the Predator's head at the end nobody loses their mind over a wOmAn bringing home a big trophy.
Yes the ending was very silly. She got everyone killed and she gets declared a warchief.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 15, 2022, 07:38:36 AMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 07:31:41 AMThe predator isn't even part of what's going on because he isn't doing anything that deals with her.
I think we're talking about different movies here
Please tell me the reason that leads the main character into conflict with the pred because all I got is tracks being left and her obsession.
And to add more, in Predators the Preds pick up people and drop somewhere else for a hunt. In The Predator two Preds fighting each others leads to a very visible crash landing.
In every single predator movie the predators are the main factor that leads to the fight. In Prey the pred is just walking around doing his own thing not messing with any character at all.
QuoteYes he does. After the ceremony he ends up getting angry at her saying she isn't ready and to not go after whatever she saw.
And reveals later he said that to be mean, not because he meant it.
Did you watch the movie?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:02:57 AMQuoteYes he does. After the ceremony he ends up getting angry at her saying she isn't ready and to not go after whatever she saw.
And reveals later he said that to be mean, not because he meant it.
Did you watch the movie?
I'm sorry I didnt anything like that in the movie.
The closest thing is him saying what he started to say before he got mad at her when they were tied to a tree. Which was giving her some credit because she weakened the lion.
His angry statements still apply because she didn't bring it home. That issue still stands.
Can you please tell me at what part he says he didn't mean it?
He says she is ready and that it's her tactics that let him win.
@DaddyYautja I suggest you rewatch the movie and ignore that the main character is a girl. That may help
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 15, 2022, 08:35:40 AM@DaddyYautja I suggest you rewatch the movie and ignore that the main character is a girl. That may help
I have no issue with who the main character is I have an issue with the bad writing.
AVP did a main female character 100% fine. If this movie treated the character like we got in AVP that side of movie would've been fine.
There are other issues like the dumb predator. This movie fails on several sides. This is not at all about one single factor.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:27:36 AMHe says she is ready and that it's her tactics that let him win.
You are talking about something else now.
Which scene does he say he was being mean? This movie is in a streaming platform, it's not hard to load it up and get the dialogue.
... no, that's what I'm talking about. He admits that when he shot her down earlier he was being insincere.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2022, 08:47:17 AMQuote from: Omegamorph on Aug 15, 2022, 08:35:40 AM@DaddyYautja I suggest you rewatch the movie and ignore that the main character is a girl. That may help
I have no issue with who the main character is I have an issue with the bad writing.
AVP did a main female character 100% fine. If this movie treated the character like we got in AVP that side of movie would've been fine.
There are other issues like the dumb predator. This movie fails on several sides. This is not at all about one single factor.
Sorry are you really comparing this film with the likes of the avp turds? Seriously Prey has a decent woman character with 10 times better characterization than the woman in avp or the treatment of predators
Come on folk, let's remember to keep it mature. We're all adults. :)
What an exhausting life you must live,
@Corporal Hicks
There's lots of reasons to dislike prey , hell I even agree with some, but Naru being the hero isn't one of them.
She wants to take out the biggest Prey to be recognised, that just so happens to be a space monster.
I find it weird that if this movie were to copy Predator exactly ( like we never saw predator before) it would be bashed, but when the movie cuts those corners ( because we did see predator before) it still gets bashed :laugh:
I wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
Naru wanting to be more than she is and proving people wrong isn't a girl fighting the patriarchy thing, it's a human thing especially in young adulthood. And yes, Taabe admits that what he said previously in the movie about her failing against the cat was incorrect. She clearly injured it and he took that advantage later on when he confronted it alone. In fact, the only reason he was probably even able to carry her home was because it was so injured. When he gives her props initially he's being sincere and in the moment, it's not until Naru becomes bitter in his moment of celebration that he cuts her down, probably because he felt her being sour when the entire tribe was celebrating was inappropriate.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 15, 2022, 01:31:54 PMNaru wanting to be more than she is and proving people wrong isn't a girl fighting the patriarchy thing, it's a human thing especially in young adulthood.
It's like a fundamental part of the human experience. Proving yourself.
Quote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
The seething and malding.
The yuppies networking.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
Why do you want everyone to love this film? I get it, you love the film, not everyone does and this is a discussion board. Imagen everyone loving the same movie, there wouldn't be much of a discussion would it? Be happy we all not alike.
no one's forced to love the film.
it's just that you're being very weird and very repetitive and very annoying about it.
You're that guy at parties that just starts shit talking everything that other people like and then acts surprised when other people just.. don't like talking to you.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
I think there's a decent amount of back and forth going on from both sides.
It's a review thread and the moment someone criticizes the movie it becomes a lynching for not seeing it as the masterpiece sequel some are claiming it to be. There are definitely some remarks and complaints that are out of bounds, by way of those complaining about having a female character as the lead, but I think other criticism has been appropriate for discussion...
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 15, 2022, 03:31:27 PMno one's forced to love the film.
it's just that you're being very weird and very repetitive and very annoying about it.
You're that guy at parties that just starts shit talking everything that other people like and then acts surprised when other people just.. don't like talking to you.
Oh so now you want to talk about my life? And who I am? I thought this stuff wasn't allowed, but since admin let it be allowed I will tell you something about me.
First of all I don't party, alcohol is something I consume once a year, I rather spend that energy in the gym. second of all, I never started the shit talk in real life, I feel you are describing yourself here, you embarrassing yourself.
Quote from: PredBabe on Aug 15, 2022, 03:34:26 PMQuote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
I think there's a decent amount of back and forth going on from both sides.
It's a review thread and the moment someone criticizes the movie it becomes a lynching for not seeing it as the masterpiece sequel some are claiming it to be. There are definitely some remarks and complaints that are out of bounds, by way of those complaining about having a female character as the lead, but I think other criticism has been appropriate for discussion...
He's talking specifically to Lionhart. Lots of folks here dislike the movie. Sil has lots of criticisms and has good discussions regarding them.
Lionhart hides behind "But its a discussion board!" But he's not discussing anything, just repeating the same hyperbolic statements.
Also "lynching" is such a poor choice of words imo.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 03:43:40 PMQuote from: skhellter on Aug 15, 2022, 03:31:27 PMno one's forced to love the film.
it's just that you're being very weird and very repetitive and very annoying about it.
You're that guy at parties that just starts shit talking everything that other people like and then acts surprised when other people just.. don't like talking to you.
First of all I don't party, alcohol is something I consume once a year, I rather spend that energy in the gym. second of all, I never started the shit talk in real life, I feel you are describing yourself here, you embarrassing yourself.
I'm guessing you don't know what an analogy is...
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 03:07:44 PMQuote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
Why do you want everyone to love this film? I get it, you love the film, not everyone does and this is a discussion board. Imagen everyone loving the same movie, there wouldn't be much of a discussion would it? Be happy we all not alike.
You are replying to the site owner so, he has asked you to kindly stop it, so please do so.
Also, it's simply ridiculous to expect a movie to be iconic barely a week after it's come out. That takes years to happen.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 03:57:02 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 03:07:44 PMQuote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
Why do you want everyone to love this film? I get it, you love the film, not everyone does and this is a discussion board. Imagen everyone loving the same movie, there wouldn't be much of a discussion would it? Be happy we all not alike.
You are replying to the site owner so, he has asked you to kindly stop it, so please do so.
I know who Darkness is. I've been here since 2007. I don't need you to tell me who he is.
A handful of my favourite quotes:
Naru: A long time ago, it is said, a monster came here...
Taabe: You have to find that cat now.
Naru: I will.
Taabe: I know. Because you have to.
This is as far as you go. No more. This is it.
You think the reason for kuhtaamia is to prove you can hunt, but there's only one reason. To survive.
You had it, Naru. You can see what I miss. You always have.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2022, 03:55:55 PMQuote from: PredBabe on Aug 15, 2022, 03:34:26 PMQuote from: Darkness on Aug 15, 2022, 03:02:40 PMQuote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Memphis on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:08 AMI wonder how Prey would have been recieved without Predators and The Predator.
Movie is fine, but I didn't get kick out of it, despite good action. This flick has really dumb moments from pred and you feel like this stuff needed to happen because it is a movie there predator must lose. It is not organic enought. Also why we can't get good yautja design - his head is awful. It's looks cool in the mask, without it - hell no. 3 out of 5, I guess.
The story is dull and predictable, special effects and animations are pretty bad, acting is mediocre. No iconic characters, no iconic dialogs, No tension, the "predator" was stupid, "predator" it's more of a creature then a predator.
Why do you come here every day if you hate it so much? We get it. You don't like the film. It's absolutely exhausting having to come into this thread and read the same replies from you over and over again.
I think there's a decent amount of back and forth going on from both sides.
It's a review thread and the moment someone criticizes the movie it becomes a lynching for not seeing it as the masterpiece sequel some are claiming it to be. There are definitely some remarks and complaints that are out of bounds, by way of those complaining about having a female character as the lead, but I think other criticism has been appropriate for discussion...
He's talking specifically to Lionhart. Lots of folks here dislike the movie. Sil has lots of criticisms and has good discussions regarding them.
Lionhart hides behind "But its a discussion board!" But he's not discussing anything, just repeating the same hyperbolic statements.
Also "lynching" is such a poor choice of words imo.
Quote from: Lionhart on Aug 15, 2022, 03:43:40 PMQuote from: skhellter on Aug 15, 2022, 03:31:27 PMno one's forced to love the film.
it's just that you're being very weird and very repetitive and very annoying about it.
You're that guy at parties that just starts shit talking everything that other people like and then acts surprised when other people just.. don't like talking to you.
First of all I don't party, alcohol is something I consume once a year, I rather spend that energy in the gym. second of all, I never started the shit talk in real life, I feel you are describing yourself here, you embarrassing yourself.
I'm guessing you don't know what an analogy is...
I'm guessing you like others tell you, you this type of guy who usually do this and that, me, I have self respect and I don't allow people talk about me or my personality. Analogy or not.
I'm off to leave you discuss this movie and how much you love it and how perfect it is and how it's better than the original or as good, because clearly not liking this movie is a problem in here. Have a good one yall
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 15, 2022, 03:59:05 PMAlso, it's simply ridiculous to expect a movie to be iconic barely a week after it's come out. That takes years to happen.
Or in the case of
Prey, an eternity.
It's the way you go about what you say that's the issue.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 04:50:06 PMIt's the way you go about what you say that's the issue.
Okej,
Why do you feel that everyone who don't love this movie has to tip on their toes for the guys that love the movie? We are being called haters. Why?
What I wrote about this movie and feelt about this movie is coming straight from my dome, I don't feel the need to censor what I say about this movie. If I don't like it then I don't. I'm not gonna sit here and say well I didn't like the movie but it's fine maybe I will give it some time and start love it in the future. That's not how it works.
I have a strong personality and I show it, but I try to keep it respectful, but if someone like that guy can't remember his name starts to talk about my personality, that I'm like this and that in real life then of course I'm gonna reply on that what you think? I wasn't brought up like that, analogy or not it doesn't matter. Respect goes both ways.
I'm not going to bother in this section anymore because I'm feeling the heat around the corner if I continue replying. You know exactly what I mean. Have a good one.
But just as you have an opinion everyone can have an opinion of that opinion, that's something people have to learn to deal with rather than taking it so personally. There's members that have opinions and takes that I absolutely disagree with but I still enjoy their company because that's normal.
But's that not even the real issue, the real issue if how you carry yourself, something even the site owner is calling you out on at this point. When you constantly drone on with the same negative energy of course it's going to get on people's nerves, even people who might otherwise agree with you, and the only way you can respond so far is to be overly defensive and obtuse, that is how your actions have spoken.
You really oughta just chill.
Pretty much. "Chill out."-John Connor
"Alright, everybody. Chill!" - Mr. Freeze
Icy come, icy go.
Forgettable mediocricity with some nice gory sequences. Typical 5/10 movie, cheap looking, with characters I didn't care for, not too good pacing and ugliest predator face ever shown on film.
Yes, it's better than Black's abomination and AVP-R, but that wasn't hard to achieve.
Anyone can give criticism, but constructive criticism is learned and has been absent from a few people's posts.
I didn't think this looked cheap looking at all. Not for what it was. This wasn't some tent poll blockbuster. It was straight to streaming low budget action film with no actors of any note and a Director with one movie under his belt. The fact it's done so well is one of the films biggest strengths, because let's face it, this movie could have quite literally buried the franchise for good and I truly mean that. Instead we are looking at sequels and mass audience appreciation.
You want cheap looking, go watch half the things Disney put out on Multi Million Dollar budgets and Grade A actors.
It's all relative. Sure the Bear might have looked a bit "iffy" or the snake looked a bit "fake" but overall every shot of the Predator in action looks bloody good. The Directing was really good, the actors did a great job, the score was solid and the script was solid.
I dunno what people were expecting, this went waayyyy past my expectations. Maybe that's why I like it.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 15, 2022, 11:18:07 PMIt was straight to streaming low budget action film with no actors of any note and a Director with one movie under his belt.
Jumping off of this, I think that Amber Midthunder's career is going to skyrocket off of this. The big companies would be nuts not to take advantage of the film's, and Amber's, success here.
While she may not be a big name here now, give it two or three years and I think she will be. Taabe's actor, Dakota Beavers, was my favourite character here as well, I hope he gets picked up for more big name roles in the future as well.
Dan Trachtenberg might be a good pick for a more gritty Disney+ Wolverine series as well, seeing as they have the X-men now.
Amber Midthunder was already in X-Men.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3YjZs6WEAAvIQE.jpg:large)
Well, Legion, son of Charles Xavier.
Directed by Noah Hawley who will be doing Alien soon.
Prey movie was excellent! I thought it was by far, THE best out of all the series. We all watched it a few times on Hulu and can't get enough of it. I especially loved the all Camache actors, and how unflashy the set was. Beautifully shot, that emphasized on the hunt rather than the kill.
I think its a great perspective to look at a film from a native american film critic, Native Media Theory. Its pretty great, take a look when you can.
Super interesting he also compares it to Rogue One when that was my comparison ( without seeing this video, I've never heard of him).
That's really what it felt like to me. Not so much predator 5 or whatever, just a fun side quest acknowledging what made the originals great.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 15, 2022, 11:18:07 PMthis went waayyyy past my expectations. Maybe that's why I like it.
Actually, it went way past mine too, as I was expecting a total failure and it's clearly not the case.
Still, I am not sure If I would want to rewatch it. And I did rewatch even Black's monstrosity of a movie after couple of years.
Quote from: BusyMom on Aug 16, 2022, 01:22:10 AMPrey movie was excellent! I thought it was by far, THE best out of all the series. We all watched it a few times on Hulu and can't get enough of it. I especially loved the all Camache actors, and how unflashy the set was. Beautifully shot, that emphasized on the hunt rather than the kill.
It's definitely up at the top!
Quote from: Gieferg on Aug 16, 2022, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: Highland on Aug 15, 2022, 11:18:07 PMthis went waayyyy past my expectations. Maybe that's why I like it.
Actually, it went way past mine too, as I was expecting a total failure and it's clearly not the case.
Still, I am not sure If I would want to rewatch it. And I did rewatch even Black's monstrosity of a movie after couple of years.
I started watching it for a third time last night. I really dig the 90 minute run time and it's just beautiful to look at.
I think it'll definitely be my just chuck this on movie , it's so easy to watch.
voodoomagic gives his review
Wait ... is that
@Xenomorphine ?
looks like.
f**k, almost 4 hours ? Can't wait to hear the portion where Voodoo tears Feral's design a new one
finally the one person whos oponion i just so wanted to hear on this movie called Prey
so much
yep 3 and a three quarter
Hi everyone! Long time reader, first time poster/member here.
Just thought I'd contribute my thoughts and say that I really enjoyed Prey!
The Predator series as a whole was one that I always enjoyed each entry of, at least up until Shane Black's The Predator, which is the worst film in the entire franchise imo. So, frankly, the only thing I wanted was for Prey to be better than The Predator, and it definitely delivers on that front thankfully.
It's not a perfect film, but it's very much a solid entry and course correction for the series!
I've watched it 3 times since it's came out and enjoyed it each time, which I think is saying something. It's just fun to watch!
Likes:
-Very well shot/great cinematography
-Decently paced
-Main character's are well written, likeable, and have clear arcs
-Feral is an interesting and unique Predator, and has some cool kills
-Great action sequences and set pieces that are fun to watch
-Well done original score that stands out in the series, and has some great emotional beats
Dislikes:
-Like many, I'm not a huge fan of Feral's face design, but I have to admit it's growing on me. I think the practical effects version looks 100x better than the CG version.
-While the action is solid, I think it's lacking in some of the genuine tension that the first 3 films had.
-Would have liked some more additions to the Predator lore/world-building, on the same level that Predator 2 contributed.
Overall I'm happy with the film, and continue to roll my eyes at a lot of the anti-"woke"/misogynistic/racist/nitpicky comments that a lot of ignorant people have made towards the film.
I don't think this film is without it's fair criticisms, I've seen some good points in this thread, but I think a lot of people went in wanting to hate the film, and/or have thoughts that come from a place of ignorance.
I'm looking forward to seeing where they continue in the series from here! Whether it be a direct sequel or a more anthology direction.
My score: ☆☆☆☆/5!
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 19, 2022, 06:02:56 PMHi everyone! Long time reader, first time poster/member here.
My score: ☆☆☆☆/5!
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Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 19, 2022, 06:02:56 PMHi everyone! Long time reader, first time poster/member here.
Just thought I'd contribute my thoughts and say that I really enjoyed Prey!
The Predator series as a whole was one that I always enjoyed each entry of, at least up until Shane Black's The Predator, which is the worst film in the entire franchise imo. So, frankly, the only thing I wanted was for Prey to be better than The Predator, and it definitely delivers on that front thankfully.
It's not a perfect film, but it's very much a solid entry and course correction for the series!
I've watched it 3 times since it's came out and enjoyed it each time, which I think is saying something. It's just fun to watch!
Likes:
-Very well shot/great cinematography
-Decently paced
-Main character's are well written, likeable, and have clear arcs
-Feral is an interesting and unique Predator, and has some cool kills
-Great action sequences and set pieces that are fun to watch
-Well done original score that stands out in the series, and has some great emotional beats
Dislikes:
-Like many, I'm not a huge fan of Feral's face design, but I have to admit it's growing on me. I think the practical effects version looks 100x better than the CG version.
-While the action is solid, I think it's lacking in some of the genuine tension that the first 3 films had.
-Would have liked some more additions to the Predator lore/world-building, on the same level that Predator 2 contributed.
Overall I'm happy with the film, and continue to roll my eyes at a lot of the anti-"woke"/misogynistic/racist/nitpicky comments that a lot of ignorant people have made towards the film.
I don't think this film is without it's fair criticisms, I've seen some good points in this thread, but I think a lot of people went in wanting to hate the film, and/or have thoughts that come from a place of ignorance.
I'm looking forward to seeing where they continue in the series from here! Whether it be a direct sequel or a more anthology direction.
My score: ☆☆☆☆/5!
Good review, and welcome to the forum!
@Rankles75 much appreciated :D
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 19, 2022, 05:11:30 PMvoodoomagic gives his review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HboyPYBvZfU
So I watched the entire thing. Voodoo didn't hate it as some have claimed here, he gave it 7/10
All three points deducted for the face not being 100% in line with the chart in his signature.
Well, that certainly didn't help but he also taked about tonal shift halfway through the movie, around the time trappers are introduced and Feral behaning un-Predator like in certain scenes
Btw,
@Xenomorphine seemed to enjoy the movie much more and put it on the same level with the original which is kinda surprising coming from him
It's surprising but he's right this time round.
Haven't seen his review but I assumed from his initial comments that he would have rated it much lower.
Tbf, he said it grown on him on subsequent re-watches. I think if he had reviewed it right away he probably would have given it 5/10
Not sure if anyone cares about my opinion as a new time poster here but here goes.
It's alright. Has good moments, has bad moments. It wasn't the sjw event I was worried it was going to be and its actually changed my outlook on how I expect media to go.
Even though enjoyed it found it a little by the numbers without adding anything majorly new.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 20, 2022, 07:40:45 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 19, 2022, 05:11:30 PMvoodoomagic gives his review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HboyPYBvZfU
So I watched the entire thing. Voodoo didn't hate it as some have claimed here, he gave it 7/10
totally agree. surprised me. eric seemed to like it. 7out of 10 also
I was more surprised to hear that Voodoo "hated it" to be honest.
I mean, it is disappointing that's his opinion, but it appears to me that people who have preconceived notions about what the Predator or a Predator film ought to be have the most issues with it.
Quote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 05:29:11 PMWell luckily the original movie still exists for people who don't like Prey to still enjoy. I could tear apart predator and predator 2 for their fallacies all day but I understand that no movie is perfect, especially in the sphere of public opinion. It is pointless to tear this movie apart for things that literally every other predator movie is guilty of.
This movie took fallacies past their limit. Didn't Naru break off the Preds mandible with a simple flick of the wrist? A herb that brings body temperature down to outside temp without any mental impact? The pred has a small shield and no one is smart enough to shoot legs/lower torso? Naru's instant mastery of an implausible weapon she just created? All these are real convenient to force the story along.
Prey takes an interesting fantasy concept and pushes it to Marvel level of silliness. Instead of having a few fallacies like the other films, Prey has them in literally every scene starting in the second act. Everything was forced (lame pistol tie in). I guess that is par for course with Disney though.
Naaah
I have more trouble dealing with the numerous plot holes. How in the world does Feral walk without bumping into the environment since it appears that he sees only heated objects ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 21, 2022, 05:50:53 PMHow in the world does Feral walk without bumping into the environment since it appears that he sees only heated objects ?
You mean ... you mean just like every other Predator before ?
I guess you're right. I think it's more how it was portrayed that weirded me out.
It was portrayed like every other movie?
Watched the original movie recently, and it's actually incredible how much of that movie's aspects and logic would be considered shitty and unrealistic if we were to look it at how a lot of people look at Prey.
QuoteUhh a single squad takes out an entire camp that somehow failed to see them approach when they should have noticed them there?
Mud doesn't hide your heat
Arnold gets beat around for a solid minute in the final fight with bad camera work and reused shots
Predator POV is way too zoomed in and looks bad, specially in the final fight
Arnold's backup plan is stupid and very specific, he has a single trap to his left and specifically landed on the Predator's head, and instead of dodging it the Predator just stays there and looks at it??
How did Arnold notice that the Predator only saw heat? Not only does mud not hid your heat but he was blending in with the environment.
So instead of killing him the Predator takes off his mask to fight him mano-a-mano, so dumb!!
Instead of just pulling his leg or pushing the spiked log on him, the Predator walks up slowly to his left? so dumb!!
I don't mean any of those seriously, but they are all on par with what is being said when "criticizing" Prey
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 21, 2022, 05:50:53 PMI have more trouble dealing with the numerous plot holes. How in the world does Feral walk without bumping into the environment since it appears that he sees only heated objects ?
I always wondered how Jungle Hunter saw and avoided the tripwires and explosives that Dutch's team set up.
by using the trees. it was only when they realized this that they chamged their tactics and set a trap accordingly. billy was the one who realized that it uses the trees. so when it took blaines body the previous night it came in using the trees.
That only explains how he avoided them, but how did he see them to know to avoid them?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2022, 01:43:47 AMThat only explains how he avoided them, but how did he see them to know to avoid them?
he has thermal vision. he can also see in different spectrums. and he is technologically more advanced than us. perhaps he can switch to thermal imaging at night.
not exactly sure
But how would that enable him to see tripwires? They don't emit heat.
I want answers! >:(
Tripwires are straight, God doesn't build in straight lines.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2022, 01:54:18 AMBut how would that enable him to see tripwires? They don't emit heat.
I want answers! >:(
ok thats a fair point. don't know. my besy guess is thermal imaging like pilots on an apache ah 64 uses. they have a monochromatic display in green that converts thermal gradients into that monochromatic display. also maybe magnetic resonance imaging. if it can bend light sound and gravity with its cloaking device than perhaps itsbable to sence magnetix resonance.
possibly
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 22, 2022, 01:59:25 AMTripwires are straight, God doesn't build in straight lines.
But then they made organic tripwires using vines. Like the one Dutch nearly snagged with his boot. Those were straight too.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 22, 2022, 12:05:49 AMWatched the original movie recently, and it's actually incredible how much of that movie's aspects and logic would be considered shitty and unrealistic if we were to look it at how a lot of people look at Prey.
Quote1-Uhh a single squad takes out an entire camp that somehow failed to see them approach when they should have noticed them there?
2-Mud doesn't hide your heat
3-Arnold gets beat around for a solid minute in the final fight with bad camera work and reused shots
4-Predator POV is way too zoomed in and looks bad, specially in the final fight
5-Arnold's backup plan is stupid and very specific, he has a single trap to his left and specifically landed on the Predator's head, and instead of dodging it the Predator just stays there and looks at it??
6-How did Arnold notice that the Predator only saw heat? Not only does mud not hid your heat but he was blending in with the environment.
7-So instead of killing him the Predator takes off his mask to fight him mano-a-mano, so dumb!!
8-Instead of just pulling his leg or pushing the spiked log on him, the Predator walks up slowly to his left? so dumb!!
I don't mean any of those seriously, but they are all on par with what is being said when "criticizing" Prey
1- the movie states at the start that the team is one of the best. Within the story we know that they can do this and it's their job.
Nothing in prey states how she can fight so good specially with a brand new created weapon.
2- I deosnt. It's a film on top of your skin that blends with the ambient heat, remember, the pred comes when it's hot.
In prey there's a plant that within second cools your internal body temperature. I think that would cause a lot of issues with your body.
3/4 ok. I don't think people are complaining about the technical aspects of Prey. Most of the issues are the horrible writing.
5- that's not a backup plan that was THE plan. That's how traps work. You put something in some place to draw something in. Plus the writing already showed that the pred cannot see traps using natural materials.
In prey she gets into a fight with the pred and beats the crap out of him for some reason before they get on with a trap that consist of the Pred forgetting the mudpit he saw a day before when he was tracking her while at the same time continuing to forget how to use his weapon.
6- Arnold learns that from the scene when he came out of the water and covered himself with mud saw the pred not notice him. He was invisible because he didn't move. The pred notices movement but he cannot get a clear shot. You see that as Arnold swings from once place to another and stops moving or when he throws a rock.
In prey the magic flower cools you in seconds and also covers movement because the pred didn't see her move right in front of him.
They both may not be realistic but one is tremendously less than another.
7- the predator was giving a fair chance to a trophy he declared worthy. And even with that Arnold got his ass beat.
In prey the predator was getting his butt beat in the last two fights. One so much that he had to cloak. The other so much that the girl fighting him was so strong that she got him to cut his arm and ripped one of his mandibles.
8- the trap was setup that way. Again, a trap is supposed to draw you in a specific way.
In prey the pred forgot the mudpit he saw her fall in a day ago and was pulled into it by a girl he can surely rip apart with his bare hands. And then, again, forgets how his weapons work.
In Predator we are shown a weakness with his vision and in Prey we are shown a pred with no memory, his weakness is that he has no knowledge and doesn't remember things.
That's fine you can make a dumb predator but that's not as finely structured as the previous films. Some people are not going to enjoy people beating the crap out of a predator that slowly loses his memory and is shown to be worst at fighting than the main characters.
It's okay when Predator has convenient logic and made up stuff, but not when prey has convenient logic and made up stuff, learn the difference people!
Someone who says the film doesn't explain how she can fight well with a weapon she made despite the very obvious training montage is not arguing in good faith and cannot be reasoned with.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 22, 2022, 06:06:36 AMIt's okay when Predator has convenient logic and made up stuff, but not when prey has convenient logic and made up stuff, learn the difference people!
Predator is Sci-fi so there is a certain level of things that are going to be a bit out there. It also helps if you set stuff up within the story that pays off later.
Prey seems to be fantasy which this series is not. People are doing things out of nowhere. And, again, you can have a dumb brittle predator if you want but don't expect people to love it based on the history of the series.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 06:10:11 AMSomeone who says the film doesn't explain how she can fight well with a weapon she made despite the very obvious training montage is not arguing in good faith and cannot be reasoned with.
Two things, one, out of the 8 things I list you have one issue? that kinda means I overwhelemly did good.
2, the montage of something she JUST created, which was at most a couple of hours, was enough for you to be fine for her to be wiping that thing around so expertly that can she can kill multiple people with it?
In Pred we are told the team is one of the best, that's why they get called in. In Prey she just decides to tie a rope and the next day she's using it like an expert.
She can throw an axe, that was established better. but
Sorry I consider the other thing bad writing.
I'm sure there are no traits of fantasy in Predator, surely the native character sensing the Predator in the trees and the voodoo boss in the second movie saying the Predator is not off this world due to his "voodoo" magic is completely fine and within normal sci fi
Like I said...
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 22, 2022, 06:30:56 AMI'm sure there are no traits of fantasy in Predator, surely the native character sensing the Predator in the trees and the voodoo boss in the second movie saying the Predator is not off this world due to his "voodoo" magic is completely fine and within normal sci fi
Billy is a tracker, he spent the whole movie using his tracking skills. There no magic in that. You use your eyes, nose, ears, etc, it's all natural. The Predator can hide very good but not perfectly. Billy's skills were telling him they was something there.
King Willie said the pred was a demon from the spirit world. Having characters believing in superstition and mythologies doesn't make the movie fantasy it just means that the character is religious.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 06:44:12 AMLike I said...
If you don't want to talk to me then dont. Telling other people not to and continuing to do so is not cool.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 06:10:11 AMSomeone who says the film doesn't explain how she can fight well with a weapon she made despite the very obvious training montage is not arguing in good faith and cannot be reasoned with.
yes but she has never been in battle before afaik. doing stuff like that when it matters. her brother probably has been in battle with other before. he gets it . if this is kind of a nod to ripley becoming a warrior princess? her motivation was to get back to the life she missed while drifting through space.
why does naru want to be a warrior? whats her motivation? dutch and co has been many battles. battle hardened. if naru had accompanied her brother on many battles and fought with them and was pissed of because she never got recognition for also killing men and risking her life while friend family dismissed all of that just because she was a woman then i would have gotten it.
She lives surrounded by hunters and warriors and clearly aspires to be like them, why does she need any more motivation than that? It's something that interests her.
She's shown knowing how to fight and to be fast and accurate with the weapon and takes out a bunch of untrained, relatively slow moving guys attacking one at a time.
You're asking a lot more of Naru than other characters. Why is Dutch a battle hardened soldier? Why did he choose that job? If we saw him being raised by a military dad who pressured him into it I'd get it.
Yep, does not feel in good faith to me.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 22, 2022, 11:32:15 AMYep, does not feel in good faith to me.
Sounds like some here want to look for any excuse, however thinly argued and hard to justify, to put down the Nara character. You have to wonder why...
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 10:50:47 AMShe lives surrounded by hunters and warriors and clearly aspires to be like them, why does she need any more motivation than that? It's something that interests her.
She's shown knowing how to fight and to be fast and accurate with the weapon and takes out a bunch of untrained, relatively slow moving guys attacking one at a time.
You're asking a lot more of Naru than other characters. Why is Dutch a battle hardened soldier? Why did he choose that job? If we saw him being raised by a military dad who pressured him into it I'd get it.
i was asking if she was able to to apply her training and skills in a situation that was life threatening and if she has had previous exposure to such situations. knowing how to wield a weapon is very different from using it when it matters. in previous movies the preds always goes for the best and the most dangerous amongst their breed that was well experienced at their craft.
dutch may have been drafted against his will but eventually decided to stay.
so you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 21, 2022, 06:11:16 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 21, 2022, 05:50:53 PMHow in the world does Feral walk without bumping into the environment since it appears that he sees only heated objects ?
You mean ... you mean just like every other Predator before ?
I'm thinking... Cold bodies appear like dead bodies to Feral... Not invisible bodies... But Naru is suddenly somewhat invisible. She should just appear "cold", and dead to the eyes of Feral. Problem is she is standing and cannot be dead. Feral's mask even take into account the "cold" bodies when he arrives in the french camp, which was not a thing in previous movies.
Why doesn't it take into account Naru's cold body then when she's standing still ? I knew there was something wrong with this case, and not in other movies, that's why I pointed it out.
The fire helps blocks her out, that's why she stands so close to it, and he's distracted by the guy with a firearm.
Yeah it was something I think only really twigged for me the second time I saw it.
You also get a shot from Feral's POV when he shows up that basically confirms it. The fire is pretty distracting, and like in the original film you can see Naru's outline right there to the left of the trapper if you look for it, but it's blending in to the background no doubt in part because of that fire.
Yeah I love that kind of filmmaking where you notice more the more you revisit it.
Interesting... Just rewatched that scene and, the fire thing seem plausible indeed.
Yeah I feel like it was half n half the fire and the flower.
But also seems like they were trying to play up on the element/theme that the Predator doesn't consider her a threat, played up more with the mini-monologue that she gives during the scene.
Voodoo made a good point in his review about the Predator constantly using her as a way to find better "predators" as it sees her as the "prey". Like the rabbit to the wolf.
I think the scene is definitely playing more on the literal interpretation (it just not seeing her) than the thematic interpretation, but the thematic thing is still partially there for sure.
I'd not thought about it that way before, but that's actually a pretty good way of looking at it.
First she leads him to the bear (by way of Sarii barking initially), which he kills. Then she leads him to the other Comanche, who he kills. Then she leads him to the trappers, who he kills. Then she effectively leads him to Taabe, who he kills.
Hell, it almost makes me think now that when he's staring at her when she's got the pistol on him if he's not thinking "Yeah, keep it up girl, this is great!" :laugh:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/predator-movies/prey/review/
My written review is up. :)
Probably your best review to date. Superbly written.
Good review, Hicks!
Feels nice to have so much excitement and satisfaction over a Predator movie again.
Looking forward to the podcast review!
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but
did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she
shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 22, 2022, 02:28:36 PMThe fire helps blocks her out, that's why she stands so close to it, and he's distracted by the guy with a firearm.
You want to explain how this girl from the 1700s knows how thermal vision works?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
We saw the pred chase her into the French camp.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 22, 2022, 03:43:26 PMYeah I feel like it was half n half the fire and the flower.
But also seems like they were trying to play up on the element/theme that the Predator doesn't consider her a threat, played up more with the mini-monologue that she gives during the scene.
Voodoo made a good point in his review about the Predator constantly using her as a way to find better "predators" as it sees her as the "prey". Like the rabbit to the wolf.
I think the scene is definitely playing more on the literal interpretation (it just not seeing her) than the thematic interpretation, but the thematic thing is still partially there for sure.
This is exactly how I saw it on my first viewing, and why I think it worked so well for me. The movie hit a lot of the right points in very subtle imagery that most people won't catch on first or second viewings. I didn't even notice Feral cutting off a few strands of her hair after he decapitates the French Trapper she uses as bait until my 3rd viewing. First two were in a theater so it was kinda hard to catch the whole screen at times. But there are some very quick camera movements/shots that establish her as a worthy tracker, hunter, and observer that help tell the story visually instead of explaining it to us.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 22, 2022, 08:04:17 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 22, 2022, 02:28:36 PMThe fire helps blocks her out, that's why she stands so close to it, and he's distracted by the guy with a firearm.
You want to explain how this girl from the 1700s knows how thermal vision works?
This has been explained by other people in the thread that it's not her understanding that the Predator sees thermal vision specifically, it's more that she recognizes that the Predator doesn't see Raphael after giving him the flower. She just puts two and two together based on what she saw, that it just plainly doesn't see/attack him period, thermal vision or heat doesn't even factor into the equation for her.
Now, granted, I do agree with some points others have made that this is a bit sloppily done, and kinda leans on the audience having knowledge that Naru doesn't. It could be more interpreted from an outside perspective that the Predator doesn't see Raphael because he's playing possum. But it's pretty clear what the film is going for, and I don't think it's suggesting that she all of the sudden knows what heat signatures are and that the Predator can see them.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
(https://c.tenor.com/dQI0pvKxjGwAAAAd/yoda-disappointed.gif)
Just watch the movie
then come back.
It's the secoñd coming of Hubbs !
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 22, 2022, 08:25:32 PMThis has been explained by other people in the thread that it's not her understanding that the Predator sees thermal vision specifically, it's more that she recognizes that the Predator doesn't see Raphael after giving him the flower. She just puts two and two together based on what she saw, that it just plainly doesn't see/attack him period, thermal vision or heat doesn't even factor into the equation for her.
Now, granted, I do agree with some points others have made that this is a bit sloppily done, and kinda leans on the audience having knowledge that Naru doesn't. It could be more interpreted from an outside perspective that the Predator doesn't see Raphael because he's playing possum. But it's pretty clear what the film is going for, and I don't think it's suggesting that she all of the sudden knows what heat signatures are and that the Predator can see them.
It's more than sloppily handled; it's utterly nonsensical. Firstly, Naru isn't even looking at Raphael and the predator for the vast majority of that scene; she's hiding behind a tree, with her back to the two of them. Yet, she reacts as though she's intently watching every move the predator is making and what Raphael is doing, almost as though she's seeing what the audience are seeing.
Secondly, as you say, why wouldn't she just assume that the predator couldn't see that Raphael was alive because he was playing possum? There are a bunch of dead bodies at that location and Raphael is pretending to play dead. He literally looks indistinguishable from the dead bodies which surround him, so why in a million years would Naru jump to the conclusion that the predator sees exclusively through heat signatures? She jumps to that conclusion because the audience knows that the predator tracks its prey through heat signatures because they've watched the prior movies.
As you correctly stated; the entire scene almost relies exclusively on the audience's knowledge of the predator from previous movies. It doesn't take what the character's knowledge or perspective would be into consideration at all.
It's a ridiculous moment in the film and I can't fathom why people are making excuses for it. It's just bad writing. Yes, it's clear that the director wants the audience to understand that Naru figures out that the predator tracks its prey by heat (mainly because he has Naru speak out loud to say "the herb - he can't see him because of the herb" - which is egregious in of itself, given that she's unnecessarily speaking out loud to herself, mere feet from the predator) but he doesn't provide an in-universe explanation for why Naru reaches such a conclusion above the infinitely more obvious answer of "Raphael is playing dead". All that the director had to do was drop the whole playing possum aspect and have Naru witness the predator not reacting to Raphael stood on the spot, frozen in terror.
That would have made sense, but the way that it's portrayed in the movie doesn't make sense at any level.
I pretty much agree with you, I just don't find it particularly egregious or that it ruins the movie for me or anything tbh.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 23, 2022, 12:03:32 AMI pretty much agree with you, I just don't find it particularly egregious or that it ruins the movie for me or anything tbh.
That's fair enough. I don't think that it ruins the movie either. I just think that it's an indefensibly illogical scene.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:26:50 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
Its weird. He goes on these rants about "Prey" without actually having seen it. Having already decided whether a film is good or bad without watching it is a BIG red flag fo me. Clearly he has no interest in judging the movie honestly on its merits (or lack thereof). I think we should stop wasting time responding to his posts.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 12:27:28 AMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 23, 2022, 12:03:32 AMI pretty much agree with you, I just don't find it particularly egregious or that it ruins the movie for me or anything tbh.
That's fair enough. I don't think that it ruins the movie either. I just think that it's an indefensibly illogical scene.
There are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in the entire Predator franchise. "Prey" isn't actually the worst in this regard, in my humble opinion.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:26:50 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
ok
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:42:49 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:26:50 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
Its weird. He goes on these rants about "Prey" without actually having seen it. Having already decided whether a film is good or bad without watching it is a BIG red flag fo me. Clearly he has no interest in judging the movie honestly on its merits (or lack thereof). I think we should stop wasting time responding to his posts.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 12:27:28 AMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 23, 2022, 12:03:32 AMI pretty much agree with you, I just don't find it particularly egregious or that it ruins the movie for me or anything tbh.
That's fair enough. I don't think that it ruins the movie either. I just think that it's an indefensibly illogical scene.
There are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in the entire Predator franchise. "Prey" isn't actually the worst in this regard, in my humble opinion.
not sure what you mean by rant. its gonna be a while before i am able to see the movie. i just want peoples honest opinion about the movie. and if the fans who has the franchise at heart agrees and likes the movie and why.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 23, 2022, 05:05:29 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:26:50 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
ok
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:42:49 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 08:26:50 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 08:17:51 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 22, 2022, 07:59:57 PMQuote from: oduodu on Aug 22, 2022, 02:01:51 PMso you say your cool with naru? she is a warrior? she is what a predator would consider at the top of the warrior chain? worthy of a hunt?
I'm sorry, but did you watch the movie? He didn't consider her worth his time until she shot him in the back of the head. She had a whole monologue about how he didn't take her seriously as a threat.
no i havent seen the movie.
i want to know if the movie sits ok with pred fans. basically then she lived because of her incompetence and pred just ignored her because she was a woman? because she got tangled in a bear trap? the pred gave her an opening to kill it because it honoired her as a woman? saves her life allow her to live? so then this pred actuallybhas an honoir system and because of this she isb allowed to get close to him with a gun?
ok....
What?
I honestly can't follow what you're trying to say. Maybe wait until you've seen the film before trying to discuss it with people, because the conclusions you're jumping to are very bizarre and have nothing to do with the actual movie.
He doesn't "honour" her, he thinks she's not worth killing because every time he encounters her she's tied up and he doesn't see her demonstrate she's a threat (The audience does, he doesn't).
Its weird. He goes on these rants about "Prey" without actually having seen it. Having already decided whether a film is good or bad without watching it is a BIG red flag fo me. Clearly he has no interest in judging the movie honestly on its merits (or lack thereof). I think we should stop wasting time responding to his posts.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 12:27:28 AMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 23, 2022, 12:03:32 AMI pretty much agree with you, I just don't find it particularly egregious or that it ruins the movie for me or anything tbh.
That's fair enough. I don't think that it ruins the movie either. I just think that it's an indefensibly illogical scene.
There are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in the entire Predator franchise. "Prey" isn't actually the worst in this regard, in my humble opinion.
not sure what you mean by rant. its gonna be a while before i am able to see the movie. i just want peoples honest opinion about the movie. and if the fans who has the franchise at heart agrees and likes the movie and why.
People here have already given their thoughts on this thread. This is page 74 of the thread if you didn't realize. You can agree or disagree with their take. But to constantly question positive reviews of "Prey" after 74 pages of reviews...clearly you either have reading comprehension problems or you have a real problem with the positive reviews of "Prey" because of... what exactly? Well, that's on you.
Come on folk, let's not get personal about anything here. Please remember we're all supposed to be adults and I expect everyone to act as such.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 23, 2022, 05:05:29 AMnot sure what you mean by rant. its gonna be a while before i am able to see the movie. i just want peoples honest opinion about the movie. and if the fans who has the franchise at heart agrees and likes the movie and why.
That's fair, just keep in mind when discussing things like how the main character plays out you really will need to watch the film to draw your own conclusion. There are valid points either side but it's not a good idea to even try to imagine how it plays out just based on feedback.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 22, 2022, 11:29:15 PMIt's a ridiculous moment in the film and I can't fathom why people are making excuses for it. It's just bad writing. Yes, it's clear that the director wants the audience to understand that Naru figures out that the predator tracks its prey by heat (mainly because he has Naru speak out loud to say "the herb - he can't see him because of the herb" - which is egregious in of itself, given that she's unnecessarily speaking out loud to herself, mere feet from the predator) but he doesn't provide an in-universe explanation for why Naru reaches such a conclusion above the infinitely more obvious answer of "Raphael is playing dead". All that the director had to do was drop the whole playing possum aspect and have Naru witness the predator not reacting to Raphael stood on the spot, frozen in terror. That would have made sense, but the way that it's portrayed in the movie doesn't make sense at any level.
Whilst the point has merit, Naru has already witnessed feral bullseye them both in the long grass from a hundred meters, but yes there's quite a bit of exposition, more than likely for non-predator fans.
Personally I liked the bait and switch for the mud. Little touches like that are neat, when you think ah here we go again but the Director deliberately flips the script.
Dutch has no idea why the Predator can't see him, but we all buy that it's the mud and move on with our lives.
It's really no different. She gives the guy the drug and suddenly the Predator doesn't notice him and she relates the two. We really do not need to dwell on her undergoing process of elimination to rule out the specific thing for the pedants in the audience.
It's not lazy writing at all.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2022, 07:51:06 AMCome on folk, let's not get personal about anything here. Please remember we're all supposed to be adults and I expect everyone to act as such.
I noticed you had to step in more frequently lately. Is it always like that when the new movie comes out ?
This is tame.
I'm still waiting for the 4 hour podcast lol
Quote from: Billiken on Aug 23, 2022, 09:54:22 AMI'm still waiting for the 4 hour podcast lol
Only 4 of us so it's looking like 2 and a half hours. I'm on the final stretch of my first pass of it.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 09:36:14 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2022, 07:51:06 AMCome on folk, let's not get personal about anything here. Please remember we're all supposed to be adults and I expect everyone to act as such.
I noticed you had to step in more frequently lately. Is it always like that when the new movie comes out ?
To be fair, the community here is generally more mature than it was back in the AvP/Predators age so it's not particularly bad here currently. Facebook is proving harder but it is what it is.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:42:49 AMThere are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in the entire Predator franchise. "Prey" isn't actually the worst in this regard, in my humble opinion.
Saying that there are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in other Predator movies is a whataboutism; it's a deflection from the scene being discussed in this instance. Whether or not it's the most illogical scene in any Predator movie is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2022, 09:19:30 AMDutch has no idea why the Predator can't see him, but we all buy that it's the mud and move on with our lives.
It's really no different. She gives the guy the drug and suddenly the Predator doesn't notice him and she relates the two. We really do not need to dwell on her undergoing process of elimination to rule out the specific thing for the pedants in the audience.
It's not lazy writing at all.
It's a fallacy to say that there's no difference between the mud scene with Dutch in the original movie and the scene with Raphael in
Prey. It's also yet another whataboutism, it ought to be noted and people only ever invoke whataboutisms when they are unable to adequately explain away the criticism being put forth - "Well, this other movie had a leap of logic as well, so that (somehow?) excuses this movie's leap of logic".
For the record; Dutch climbs up from the shore and backs into some branches, the predator approaches and looks right at him but doesn't react. The predator then shoots a small creature and moves on. Dutch is puzzled; "Why was the creature which was chasing me and trying to kill me mere minutes ago not able to see me now?! What has changed about me from mere minutes ago to right now?" He looks down at his body and sees that he's coated in cold mud and comes to the conclusion that the mud has resulted in the predator being unable to see him. It's a reasonable conclusion for Dutch to arrive at. It's not at all the same as Naru jumping to the conclusion she jumps to, when there's an infinitely more reasonable explanation of "he's playing possum".
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2022, 10:11:35 AMQuote from: Billiken on Aug 23, 2022, 09:54:22 AMI'm still waiting for the 4 hour podcast lol
Only 4 of us so it's looking like 2 and a half hours. I'm on the final stretch of my first pass of it.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 09:36:14 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2022, 07:51:06 AMCome on folk, let's not get personal about anything here. Please remember we're all supposed to be adults and I expect everyone to act as such.
I noticed you had to step in more frequently lately. Is it always like that when the new movie comes out ?
To be fair, the community here is generally more mature than it was back in the AvP/Predators age so it's not particularly bad here currently. Facebook is proving harder but it is what it is.
I was part of Aliens and Predator universe on Facebook and people would get personal if you didn't agree with them so I left
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 10:40:05 AMQuote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:42:49 AMThere are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in the entire Predator franchise. "Prey" isn't actually the worst in this regard, in my humble opinion.
Saying that there are plenty of illogical scenes and leaps of logic in other Predator movies is a whataboutism; it's a deflection from the scene being discussed in this instance. Whether or not it's the most illogical scene in any Predator movie is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
No, that's completely wrong. If you want to talk about logical fallacies or leaps of logic in Prey, you have to take the entire Predator franchise into context. Otherwise that creates the (erroneous) impression that Prey is somehow especially bad in logical issues, which it is NOT.
You need to judge the film fairly, and to do so, you need to factor in the whole Predator franchise, period.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:12:57 AMNo, that's completely wrong. If you want to talk about logical fallacies or leaps of logic in Prey, you have to take the entire Predator franchise into context.
One absolute does not need to take the entire franchise into consideration when discussing the narrative issues of
Prey. This is a sub-forum and thread relating specifically to
Prey, not the wider series of movies. Where were you (and others like you) for Shane Black's
The Predator? How many people were invoking whataboutisms for that movie and saying "You're claiming this specific scene in
The Predator or the autism subplot is illogical but the series as a whole is full of illogical moments, so therefore your argument is not valid". You're being selective and trying to deflect valid criticism of a movie which you personally like and it's overly defensive, disingenuous, hypocritical hogwash.
By your own logic, literally no criticism of any franchise movie is valid, just as long as another movie within that same franchise was guilty of committing that same narrative sin. That's a ridiculous stance to take. It's perfectly possible for more than one movie within a franchise to be guilty of the same narrative sin. Two separate instances of a similar narrative flaw do not cancel each other out and make that flaw null and void.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:12:57 AMOtherwise that creates the (erroneous) impression that Prey is somehow especially bag in logical issues, which it is NOT.
How am giving that impression at all?! When did I claim that
Prey is guilty of having the most egregious of logical issues from all of the Predator movies? For the record, I consider
The Predator to contain the worst issues out of the entire series by far, but we're not talking about that movie. This is a thread for people to specifically discuss
Prey, therefore that's the movie which I am discussing. The logic issues of the other movies within the series are utterly irrelevant to the specific issue which I am discussing in
Prey.
Furthermore, I've already explained why the whataboutism of Dutch with the mud is not comparable to the scene with Raphael in
Prey, so I'll already dismantled that comparison, though I really should not have had to do so.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 11:16:29 AMQuote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:12:57 AMNo, that's completely wrong. If you want to talk about logical fallacies or leaps of logic in Prey, you have to take the entire Predator franchise into context. Otherwise that creates the (erroneous) impression that Prey is somehow especially bag in logical issues, which it is NOT.
One absolute does not need to take the entire franchise into consideration when discussing the narrative issues of Prey. This is a sub-forum and thread relating specifically to Prey, not the wider series of movies. Where were you (and others like you) for Shane Black's The Predator? How many people were invoking whataboutisms for that movie and saying "You're claiming this specific scene in The Predator or the autism subplot is illogical but the series as a whole is full of illogical moments, so therefore your argument is not valid". It's hogwash.
I avoided that whole nonsense because that wasn't getting anywhere, was it? Just because I didn't post non-stop doesn't mean I wasn't aware of all those nasty little debates that went on here in the past.
A sub-forum of Prey does NOT mean you cannot talk about the entire Predator franchise. A judge does not judge a case in isolation but references to similiar cases to weigh a case. Saying its "hogwash" is just avoiding the point.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:19:32 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 11:16:29 AMQuote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:12:57 AMNo, that's completely wrong. If you want to talk about logical fallacies or leaps of logic in Prey, you have to take the entire Predator franchise into context. Otherwise that creates the (erroneous) impression that Prey is somehow especially bag in logical issues, which it is NOT.
One absolute does not need to take the entire franchise into consideration when discussing the narrative issues of Prey. This is a sub-forum and thread relating specifically to Prey, not the wider series of movies. Where were you (and others like you) for Shane Black's The Predator? How many people were invoking whataboutisms for that movie and saying "You're claiming this specific scene in The Predator or the autism subplot is illogical but the series as a whole is full of illogical moments, so therefore your argument is not valid". It's hogwash.
I avoided that whole nonsense because that wasn't getting anywhere, was it? Just because I didn't post non-stop doesn't mean I wasn't aware of all those nasty little debates that went on here in the past.
A sub-forum of Prey does NOT mean you cannot talk about the entire Predator franchise. A judge does not judge a case in isolation but references to similiar cases to weigh a case. Saying its "hogwash" is just avoiding the point.
I never said that one cannot talk about the other predator movies within a sub-forum for
Prey. Please stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was that you cannot dismiss and invalidate my criticism of a narrative issue within
Prey by invoking a whataboutism. As for "avoiding the point"; I'm sorry, but is that projection on your part? The only one here who's avoiding the point is you. It's you who's not willing to address my critique head on. It's you who's invoking whataboutisms (in case you don't know, whataboutisms are a technique employed in order to deflect from an issue at hand - in this case, a specific flaw within the narrative of
Prey). How does another movie within the franchise having a similar narrative flaw in any way whatsoever excuse a lack of logic within this movie? A narrative flaw is a narrative flaw. It's irrelevant whether another movie contained that same flaw. It's still a flaw.
Good grief.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 23, 2022, 11:42:19 AMGood grief.
I agree. Ridiculous. I'm gonna leave this forum for a time. Fanboys are intolerable at the best of times, much less so during the honeymoon period of a new release. Bye bye.
Don't go mate :'( We're all well-behaved adults here!!!
To be fair it's a minor gripe for pretty much everyone. It's there, but it's not turning the Engineers into bald men levels of bad
There's enough references to the orange tutsia throughout the movie that it doesn't seem like a WTF moment when it comes.
I think Raph standing there like a statue on one leg would have been way more daft. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2022, 10:11:35 AM2 and a half hours
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:06:57 PMDon't go mate :'( We're all well-behaved adults here!!!
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Alrighty, that's enough. Moving on.
Dutch also plays possum and got drenched in freezing water yet comes to the conclusion the mud's why the Predator can not see him, it's no different whatsoever.
Both make a leap of logic despite an alternative interpretation being present, and then say out loud their thoughts, with the Predator nearby so the audience follows along with the story.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 12:51:16 PMDutch also plays possum and got drenched in freezing water yet comes to the conclusion the mud's why the Predator can not see him, it's no different whatsoever.
Both make a leap of logic despite an alternative interpretation being present, and then say out loud their thoughts, with the Predator nearby so the audience follows along with the story.
My only issue with the mud scene in Predator is the Pred shooting at the poor harmless critter next to Dutch. Always seemed extremely harsh to me...
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 12:51:16 PMDutch also plays possum and got drenched in freezing water yet comes to the conclusion the mud's why the Predator can not see him, it's no different whatsoever.
Both make a leap of logic despite an alternative interpretation being present, and then say out loud their thoughts, with the Predator nearby so the audience follows along with the story.
I'm sorry, but I simply cannot let this post fly by without comment. Dutch absolutely does not play possum in that scene. He hears the predator splash in the water behind him and start approaching. Dutch then crawls backwards towards some branches and reaches for his weapon, but realises that he lost it during his prior fall. Realising that he's screwed, he grasps onto two of the branches to either side and braces himself for impending death. The predator approaches, stops and then looks directly at Dutch. Dutch stares back at him, with lots of eye movement and facial grimacing, looking frightened. At this point Dutch has no reason to suspect that the predator sees the world any differently than he himself does. He's absolutely not playing possum. His eyes are fully open and locked onto the predator's own. He's making full eye contact and quite literally staring death in the face, he's not pretending to be dead.
As for Dutch saying "He couldn't see me"; that is not comparable to Naru doing the same thing. Dutch waits for the predator to give up searching and to walk well away from his location before making his comment. The predator is well out of earshot at that point, whereas Naru says her line when the predator is a mere couple of feet away from her, still searching for his prey and within clear earshot. I will grant you that in both cases, it's a complete contrivance that either character says anything, as opposed to simply thinking it. They say their lines so that the audience will understand what is being visually communicated but at least the original movie had the good grace and smarts to wait for the predator to have f**ked off, before having Dutch say his line.
You simply cannot compare the two scenes and say that they're one and the same. It's disingenuous. The scene in
Prey is a vastly inferior version of the mud scene from the original, executed with nowhere near the same directorial skill or writing talent. It's actually kinda disrespectful to the original movie to say that it's exactly the same as the equivalent scene in
Prey, in terms of execution. It's like saying that the trench run on Starkiller base in
The Force Awakens is executed in exactly the same creative manner and with the same level of artistic skill as the Death Star run in
A New Hope. It's bunkum. One scene is executed with expert finesse and the other is clumsily executed and nonsensical. It's akin to saying that an imitation from John Carpenter's
The Thing has all the heart, soul and humanity of the person its imitating.
He's staying completely still and has no idea why he's not been seen yet.
Who am I talking about there?
Both Dutch and Naru jump to a conclusion when another's readily available, Dutch thinks it is because of the mud when he just got drenched in freezing water and stayed completely still.
Naru believes that it's because of the herb when just him staying still might be a viable explanation. As Naru no doubt knows well lots of animals hunt by movement. And then observes when Raphael Adolini moves and screams then he dies.
So what does Naru do? Lays a trap with another moving screaming Fur Trapper with a limb missing and takes the herb that cools body temperature then stands completely still to cover all possible bases.
What does Dutch do? He assumes it is the mud, not movement, and not cold water, and puts it on by a warm fire. Arguably his leap in logic's greater than Naru's by a fairly significant margin.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 04:56:15 PMWhat does Dutch do? He assumes it is the mud, not movement, and not cold water, and puts it on by a warm fire. Arguably his leap in logic's greater than Naru's by a fairly significant margin.
What? No :laugh: You really are capable of some quite impressive mental gymnastics. Anyway, off I toddle again. I just couldn't resist the urge to reply to your previous comment. I'm done now.
Rose tinted glasses gonna tint.
No gymnastics involved, I'm not making any logic leaps, unlike Dutch.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2022, 06:41:53 PMRose tinted glasses gonna tint.
Rose tinted glasses for a movie which I only vaguely enjoy watching (once a decade or so)? Yeah, okay. Sure, buddy. I'm on this forum for Alien, not Predator (a franchise which I barely care about, original movie included). Still, if it helps you to stay in denial about the mediocrity of Prey, then by all means, blame my valid criticisms upon rose tinted glasses.
Wait, aren't you supposed to be gone ?
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 07:24:54 PMWait, aren't you supposed to be gone ?
I'll go when I please.
OK
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 11:51:42 AMI'm gonna leave this forum for a time. Fanboys are intolerable at the best of times, much less so during the honeymoon period of a new release. Bye bye.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 05:43:18 PMAnyway, off I toddle again
Yes, I'm aware of what I said and I would be gone if others had resisted the urge to make snarky comments about me in my absence.
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I mean, what the hell were you expecting ? That we will al be like "NOOO, Eddie, please, don't go ! :'( :'( :'("
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 07:43:34 PMI mean, what the hell were you expecting ? That we will al be like "NOOO, Eddie, please, don't go ! :'( :'( :'("
No, absolutely not. What even led you to think that's what I was implying?! I merely idiotically thought that people may allow me to express my opinion and not act as though my (completely valid) criticisms are insane. It would have been nice if I could say I was going and for people to simply not say jack shit once I had left. However, evidently people couldn't resist the opportunity to be snarky twats.
Let's try again, shall we; I am leaving now. Simply don't say peep about this and I'll stay gone.
The decision to come back is entirely on you and no one else.
Sometimes you just gotta let it go, pick your fights better and etc, stress management things.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 07:43:34 PMI mean, what the hell were you expecting ? That we will al be like "NOOO, Eddie, please, don't go ! :'( :'( :'("
Kinda backfired like Godfather Part 3
I did not think a more fleshed out version of my original post meant I was being a snarky twat. My apologies. :-\
Fine. I am going now. For the record; I do not expect, nor did I ever, for people I can't even stand myself to beg me to return. Why ever would I?! You can now all be snarky about me again. It won't draw me back in this time. I'll leave y'all to your little echo chamber of positivity about a distinctly mediocre and flawed movie.
Hicks is going to have an aneurysm when he sees this thread.
Lol.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2022, 08:21:22 PMHicks is going to have an aneurysm when he sees this thread.
If anyone asks, it's definetly not my fault
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 23, 2022, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2022, 08:21:22 PMHicks is going to have an aneurysm when he sees this thread.
If anyone asks, it's definetly not my fault
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 04:56:15 PMHe's staying completely still and has no idea why he's not been seen yet.
Who am I talking about there?
Both Dutch and Naru jump to a conclusion when another's readily available, Dutch thinks it is because of the mud when he just got drenched in freezing water and stayed completely still.
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Naru believes that it's because of the herb when just him staying still might be a viable explanation. As Naru no doubt knows well lots of animals hunt by movement. And then observes when Raphael Adolini moves and screams then he dies.
So what does Naru do? Lays a trap with another moving screaming Fur Trapper with a limb missing and takes the herb that cools body temperature then stands completely still to cover all possible bases.
What does Dutch do? He assumes it is the mud, not movement, and not cold water, and puts it on by a warm fire. Arguably his leap in logic's greater than Naru's by a fairly significant margin.
She moved away from the path of the Pred that was right behind her. Using you own post she should be dead.
Stepping slightly to the side to be out of his direct path? Not really much of a choice. Still done pretty deftly.
Was the water that Dutch fell into really supposed to be freezing in the middle of a sweltering jungle?
Perhaps not, that's true, but the mud being the solution's still an assumption irrespective of the temperature of the water.
Skimming through that part of the script, it doesn't seem as if Dutch ever realizes that the mud masking his body heat is why the Predator can't see him.
The average water temperature in Cambodia is from 71° F to 94° F.
Dutch' reference to the Cabinet member being on the wrong side of the border. Made me think of Cambodia during the Viet Nam war.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:19:32 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Aug 23, 2022, 11:16:29 AMQuote from: Cougerboy on Aug 23, 2022, 11:12:57 AMNo, that's completely wrong. If you want to talk about logical fallacies or leaps of logic in Prey, you have to take the entire Predator franchise into context. Otherwise that creates the (erroneous) impression that Prey is somehow especially bag in logical issues, which it is NOT.
One absolute does not need to take the entire franchise into consideration when discussing the narrative issues of Prey. This is a sub-forum and thread relating specifically to Prey, not the wider series of movies. Where were you (and others like you) for Shane Black's The Predator? How many people were invoking whataboutisms for that movie and saying "You're claiming this specific scene in The Predator or the autism subplot is illogical but the series as a whole is full of illogical moments, so therefore your argument is not valid". It's hogwash.
I avoided that whole nonsense because that wasn't getting anywhere, was it? Just because I didn't post non-stop doesn't mean I wasn't aware of all those nasty little debates that went on here in the past.
A sub-forum of Prey does NOT mean you cannot talk about the entire Predator franchise. A judge does not judge a case in isolation but references to similiar cases to weigh a case. Saying its "hogwash" is just avoiding the point.
I never said that one cannot talk about the other predator movies within a sub-forum for Prey. Please stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was that you cannot dismiss and invalidate my criticism of a narrative issue within Prey by invoking a whataboutism. As for "avoiding the point"; I'm sorry, but is that projection on your part? The only one here who's avoiding the point is you. It's you who's not willing to address my critique head on. It's you who's invoking whataboutisms (in case you don't know, whataboutisms are a technique employed in order to deflect from an issue at hand - in this case, a specific flaw within the narrative of Prey). How does another movie within the franchise having a similar narrative flaw in any way whatsoever excuse a lack of logic within this movie? A narrative flaw is a narrative flaw. It's irrelevant whether another movie contained that same flaw. It's still a flaw.
Where did I say you cannot critique Prey? I am not a "fanboy". Prey is not perfect. So please don't put words into my mouth. But just because you can freely post your views likewise mean I can call you out for it. I said flaws in Prey should be seen in the context of the franchise. Thats a perfectly valid point. But you spin that into some lunatic ravings about whatsboutism.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 23, 2022, 12:06:57 PMDon't go mate :'( We're all well-behaved adults here!!!
I don't get some folks on here. I was making a perfectly legit comment in a calm and rational fashion. I wasn't calling names or hurling insults. Yet some here have to spin my innocous comment out of all context and proportions.
Now we wait....
He's not gone, he's just very badly burned
#Austin Powers.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 04:56:15 PMHe's staying completely still and has no idea why he's not been seen yet.
Who am I talking about there?
Both Dutch and Naru jump to a conclusion when another's readily available, Dutch thinks it is because of the mud when he just got drenched in freezing water and stayed completely still.
Naru believes that it's because of the herb when just him staying still might be a viable explanation. As Naru no doubt knows well lots of animals hunt by movement. And then observes when Raphael Adolini moves and screams then he dies.
So what does Naru do? Lays a trap with another moving screaming Fur Trapper with a limb missing and takes the herb that cools body temperature then stands completely still to cover all possible bases.
What does Dutch do? He assumes it is the mud, not movement, and not cold water, and puts it on by a warm fire. Arguably his leap in logic's greater than Naru's by a fairly significant margin.
No, Dutch lures the Predator with fire assuming he's nowhere near the fire at the moment and then runs away and hugs a tree, staying completely still. He's never intentionally clearly in front of the Predator, unlike Naru.
Dutch is also aware of the concept of infrared and heat signatures ("heat seakers, Dillon. Pretty sophisticated for a bunch a half-assed mountain boys.")
Naru does not have the appropriate worldview in which to immediately tie body heat with anything visible to make that assumption. It's like if she found a car that won't start and assumed it's because the battery is dead, all while not having a concept of a car or battery.
And for some reason, after she shoots the Predator in the head, the fact she is still under the influence of that plant stops having any impact. Suddenly he has no problem seeing her.
I referred to the preparation montage in Dutch's case actually, not to the actual fight or when the Predator arrives, I should have clarified that earlier.
In no way does the concept of body heat come into either conclusion the characters draw as I understand it.
It is likely the plant also like the mud stops being effective after enough extertion though.
We know the Predators see differently without the mask, the characters have no such luxury.
It's also important to note that Feral follows the blood trail and then looks confused, like he can't see anything at the end of it. She's picking up on his body language, not the fact it doesn't kill Adolini.
I remember watching that scene in HDR and loving how the blood popped against the dark.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 24, 2022, 05:39:29 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 23, 2022, 04:56:15 PMHe's staying completely still and has no idea why he's not been seen yet.
Who am I talking about there?
Both Dutch and Naru jump to a conclusion when another's readily available, Dutch thinks it is because of the mud when he just got drenched in freezing water and stayed completely still.
Naru believes that it's because of the herb when just him staying still might be a viable explanation. As Naru no doubt knows well lots of animals hunt by movement. And then observes when Raphael Adolini moves and screams then he dies.
So what does Naru do? Lays a trap with another moving screaming Fur Trapper with a limb missing and takes the herb that cools body temperature then stands completely still to cover all possible bases.
What does Dutch do? He assumes it is the mud, not movement, and not cold water, and puts it on by a warm fire. Arguably his leap in logic's greater than Naru's by a fairly significant margin.
No, Dutch lures the Predator with fire assuming he's nowhere near the fire at the moment and then runs away and hugs a tree, staying completely still. He's never intentionally clearly in front of the Predator, unlike Naru.
Dutch is also aware of the concept of infrared and heat signatures ("heat seakers, Dillon. Pretty sophisticated for a bunch a half-assed mountain boys.")
Naru does not have the appropriate worldview in which to immediately tie body heat with anything visible to make that assumption. It's like if she found a car that won't start and assumed it's because the battery is dead, all while not having a concept of a car or battery.
And for some reason, after she shoots the Predator in the head, the fact she is still under the influence of that plant stops having any impact. Suddenly he has no problem seeing her.
Getting super technical ( read nerdy) , Dutch does jump down onto the tree log with the Predator at the other end and has to move underneath.
The flower stops working presumably because it no longer has the mask....
Also Naru is covered in ferals green glowing blood. I'd say that's a pretty decent indicator of where she is.
Yeah the hot fresh blood is a bit of a giveaway.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 24, 2022, 06:09:42 AMI referred to the preparation montage in Dutch's case actually, not to the actual fight or when the Predator arrives, I should have clarified that earlier.
In no way does the concept of body heat come into either conclusion the characters draw as I understand it.
It is likely the plant also like the mud stops being effective after enough extertion though.
We know the Predators see differently without the mask, the characters have no such luxury.
So you think Dutch thought the mud was magical?
I think he and she came to a conclusion without knowing exactly why it works being that to make assumptions of an alien foe would be a folly.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 25, 2022, 11:34:08 AMI think he and she came to a conclusion without knowing exactly why it works being that to make assumptions of an alien foe would be a folly.
And what is that conclusion? that the mud is magical?
Dutch learn that mud+not moving means the pred can't detect you so he went on to tactically move and use motion to his advantage.
she learned that as well and went on to move like a foot in front of the pred. That's the issue.
The conclusion: "He couldn't see me."
Why exactly Dutch does not know.
It is not an issue though, wherever Naru stood would be where the Fur Trapper aimed his weapon and therefore an angle the Predator might approach from anyway, if Naru stepped more out of the way the trap would be given away as such because the Fur Trapper would aim in Naru's general direction.
There was a large fire lit as well with French guy screaming in pain. The fire was already used in Predators to confuse the Beserker. In fact when you think about it, it was used in the original also.
Random moment out in the wild today. My chiropractor knows I'm a Predator fan. I go to visit and get an adjustment today, and without prompt he says "man, I've seen Prey now 4 times. It's just too damn good." And he's told me he only really liked P1.
Stuff like that is fun.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 26, 2022, 11:34:04 PMRandom moment out in the wild today. My chiropractor knows I'm a Predator fan. I go to visit and get an adjustment today, and without prompt he says "man, I've seen Prey now 4 times. It's just too damn good." And he's told me he only really liked P1.
Stuff like that is fun.
aren't chiropractors a scam?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 25, 2022, 11:34:08 AMI think he and she came to a conclusion without knowing exactly why it works being that to make assumptions of an alien foe would be a folly.
I think the most logical assumption by Dutch would have been that the mud simply made him blend in
visually (rather than
thermally) with his jungle surroundings. But it didn't really matter enough to him that he bothered to question it. It worked and that was good enough at the time.
Maybe when he was debriefed by OWLF (or whomever), they're the ones who deduced that the mud masked his body heat. That's how they knew to use similar countermeasures against City Hunter in P2.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 26, 2022, 11:47:21 PMaren't chiropractors a scam?
I deal with chronic pain due to an injury on a photo set. The crack from the chiropractor releases the pain for about a week at a time, and if I don't go it builds up to very rough pain. It's all on the individual's own experience to decide.
Chiropractic as a medicine is a scam, but spinal corrections are a valid form of physiotherapy.
Great for relieving tensions, not for curing cancer.
Does it work for erectile dysfunction?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 26, 2022, 11:34:04 PMRandom moment out in the wild today. My chiropractor knows I'm a Predator fan. I go to visit and get an adjustment today, and without prompt he says "man, I've seen Prey now 4 times. It's just too damn good." And he's told me he only really liked P1.
Stuff like that is fun.
Does he whisper in your ear `If it cracks, we can heal it' just before he manipulates your back?
;D
And deleted. Once again, I don't care what you think, but I care how you say it. I won't tolerate the use of words like "retarded" in a derogatory fashion. First and only warning, Preddie-nokas.
Was finally able to watch this last night, for some reason Hulu gave me an error every time I tried to make an account, until now. I really, really liked this movie. On paper it's already the perfect combo of things I love: Native American culture, and the Predator. Probably gives me a bias towards the film, but I do think it was a genuinely good movie on it's own merits. I think it moves at a good pace, the cast all did a great job, the action was well choregraphed and there were a lot of creative fights and kills.
I love everything about Feral, save for the face and how powerful his cloaking tech is compared to the other Preds in the series. He spends a lot of time wading through water without his camouflage disrupting at all, it just seems really bizarre how much better his camo is when everything else he has is less advanced in comparison to the other Preds in the series. I guess his Clan put most of their Honor Points into upgrading the camo.
I don't really agree with the notions that he doesn't behave like a Predator, or that he's too stupid to know how his weapon works. His spear gun can absolutely be dumb-fired without the helmet; it flies straight for a short period before it starts homing for the marked target. If Taabe hadn't been a fast moving target on horseback, and if Feral had been closer to Naru in their final battle, I believe the spears would've hit them before they started homing. Feral's downfall was not knowing Naru had hidden his helmet and maneuvered him into it's sights. You can see him realize this right before the spear nails him in the back of the head. He even starts to vocalize, as if to say "Oh, shit!" I personally think it's similar to how Dutch tricked Jungle Hunter in the original film, and maybe even an intentional callback to that moment.
One thing that does bug me, though, regarding the flower. When Feral is stalking through the camp, he mistakes Raphael for being dead since his blood has gone cold. But, Feral's helmet still picks up the body, with text and a line directly pointing to it out. He is fully aware that the body is there, he just thinks he's dead. But then, when Naru takes the flower, she becomes completely invisible to Feral as he walks right past her. He should've noticed the cold body that was somehow still standing.
Also, I wish they hadn't included the flintlock from P2 and the Raphael character at all. I think the comic told a much more interesting story and portrayal of that character. But I can't hold any ill will for the film if the people involved didn't know the comic existed. And I get that EU stuff will always be secondary to movie stuff, but man, sometimes the EU stuff is better in some aspects.
Oh, two more things: First, I heard there was a full Comanche dub, but I don't see an option for that on Hulu. How does one watch that version?
Second: If they ever make a live-action Turok movie, I think Dakota Beaver would be a great choice. I think he'd make a perfect Turok/Tal'set if he bulked up a bit, and an excellent Joshua Fireseed as he already is.
This movie sucks, I expected it to be bad, but it was even worse. One of the worst movies I watched this year, Predator cuts his own arm, kills himself because obviously he doesn't understand his own weapons. And he can't even hurt 50 kg girl because she is so agile, fast, smart and cool. Although she wasn't agile and smart enough to outsmart the bear who was easily defeated by Predator. And we saw that Predator is much more agile than her, running faster, jumping higher, but in the end battle she became superhero and he couldn't touch her. Crazy, illogical, bad, I can't even find words to describe how bad it was, terrible writing and even worse execution.
Naru actor is extremely bad, her behavior is the same in the beginning of the movie, as it is in the end when she lost most of her tribe and her brother. No issues in the fact she lost everything, because she send the message and proved she is warrior. No logic at all.
Dutch was confident at beginning and devastated at the end of original Predator. But Naru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
And Feral who jumps in front of loaded pistols and looks at it is pure idiot who is always visible and in the open. Dutch's team would kill it in 5 minutes if he attacked them so openly. Feral doesn't even behave like Predator, but like low IQ beast.
Maybe even the worst Predator movie of all of them, wow.
No offense but anyone that would argue that Prey is worse than Shane Black's The Predator is either being disingenuous or seriously needs to re-evaluate what a decent movie is.
I don't think this is the best film I've ever seen or anything, I do think there are some fair criticisms and faults, but even arguing that this is like a god-awful terrible film or isn't at least a competently made film seems pretty dishonest/misguided to me.
Genuinely not trying to insult anybody or start any fires or anything, but that's just how I feel about a lot of the more scathing and 1 or 1/2 star reviews I've seen.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 30, 2022, 09:09:28 PMNo offense but anyone that would argue that Prey is worse than Shane Black's The Predator is either being disingenuous or seriously needs to re-evaluate what a decent movie is.
Don't worry, I suspect the Sword of Damocles is near.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMThis movie sucks, I expected it to be bad, but it was even worse. One of the worst movies I watched this year
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Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMDutch was confident at beginning and devastated at the end of original Predator.
I disagree on all of this. Dutch has minimal to no character growth in the original Predator. There is nothing to suggest in dialogue or Schwarzenegger's acting that he's devastated. This isn't a knock on the original Predator, but Dutch doesn't have an arc -- save when he has to forgo his reliance on modern technology and become more primitive.
Prey is a bit of a different animal in the way it's structured, but we we see Naru fail consistently throughout the movie. She loses, fight after fight, and progressively levels up. The thing I think people miss in the movie is that for the majority of the film Feral doesn't view Naru as a threat of any kind so he ignores her, which is how she's able to get close enough to it to learn enough about it to fight it in the end.
As with all things YMMV, but Prey works for me and stands out as one of the best entries in the franchise.
Just give me that Blu-ray already.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 30, 2022, 11:18:52 PMJust give me that Blu-ray already.
RIGHT?!?! I want a hard copy just in case hulu gets sold and Prey ends up vanishing into the ether.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 30, 2022, 11:18:52 PMJust give me that Blu-ray already.
That 4K UHD too please ;-)
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 30, 2022, 09:09:28 PMNo offense but anyone that would argue that Prey is worse than Shane Black's The Predator is either being disingenuous or seriously needs to re-evaluate what a decent movie is.
I don't think this is the best film I've ever seen or anything, I do think there are some fair criticisms and faults, but even arguing that this is like a god-awful terrible film or isn't at least a competently made film seems pretty dishonest/misguided to me.
Genuinely not trying to insult anybody or start any fires or anything, but that's just how I feel about a lot of the more scathing and 1 or 1/2 star reviews I've seen.
Agree 100%. Its pretty obvious those who say "Prey" is the worst predator movie is nothing but a troll...or has an agenda.
No offense to anyone, but anyone who finds this movie credible is probably joking. This movie got almost everything wrong, is not in Predator's spirit, Feral has wrong design and doesn't behave like Predator. Movie is not consistent nor believable. I honestly believe this movie got most things wrong out of all Predator's movies so far.
Let's check what doesn't work:
- A flower that lowers body temperature without the patient dying, and Feral doesn't see that kind of people on his thermal view, this is just bad physics, if you are losing body temperature that means you are radiating that heat in the environment, so they would be even more visible
- Feral doesn't know how his shield works, so he amputates his own arm
- Feral doesn't know how his bio-mask works, so he headshots himself
- The scene of running in the meadow, when Feral kills Naru's tribe member, and catches her when she falls in a trap shows that Feral is much faster and more agile, but in a final battle Naru becomes superhero and is much more agile than Feral ? Also Feral agility is seen in burned forest when he is jumping from tree to tree. And, Feral is extremely strong, because he killed bear in melee combat, and lifted bear like it was toy. That shows that movie is non consistent, Feral should have killed Naru in a melee combat, but she beat him although he is faster, more agile, and stronger than her. It is just bad and not convincing.
- Feral looks at several French men how they are loading guns instead attacking immediately, also he steps in front of Naru's loaded pistol like some kind of idiot and just looks, like he is asking, please headshot me.
- Taabe is best warrior and he is fiercely fighting against Feral, but at one moment he just quits without reason, and says to Naru's you go, I die. Why he didn't continue to fight, why he talked to her in the middle of the combat with Feral and just surrender ? That is just bad scripting so we can have one to one melee fight between Feral and Naru.
- Feral doesn't behave like Predator, he is not stealthy, he is not observing, he goes in direct melee combat in the open, and that happens constantly
- Most ugly and stupid Predator design so far, mandibles are wide open and non functional, face is wierd, eyes are too wide separated and on the side of the face which is not hunter but prey design (see lions eyes, wolfs, etc.), hunters eyes are oriented in front, not to the side
- Feral has some kind of honor code, but it is not consistent, he doesn't kill Naru who he hunted in the meadow when he catches her, but kills a man without leg or any weapons who is pretending to be dead
- Cliche moments, "If it bleeds it can be killed", OMG, I rolled my eyes when they said that
- Relatively bad animal's CGI
- Bad actors, no one is even surprised that being which doesn't look like anything on Earth is suddenly here, nobody discusses that, characters don't change from start to end of the movie, there is no emotions or personal growth, you don't even care about characters
@Preddie-nokas I suggest you change the attitude of your posts if you want to stay on the boards
My god, some of these takes are exhausting at times.
And baffling because they insist on repeating themselves without backing up their claims in the slightest.
Said it before, and I'll say it again. It's quite clear here who has only seen the film once, or only half paid attention to it while watching. You don't have to love the film, or even have it memorized with tons of viewings. But it seems to me that there may be quite a few here that need to rewatch the film, and that's including some veteran members here.
It's telling when some are completely going off about something, but missed huge details or visual cues the film hands to you. Story beats or character moments. Even the Predator itself has a lot going on. I love the way the movie mirrors the hunt with Naru and Feral. I have noticed new subtle things in every viewing, my recent was how much practical face is used at the night fight and not as much CGI as I'd remembered. Not that that makes the story any better having the practical head.
But speaking of heads, I've been scratching mine at quite a few takes here. Many even coming from the long timers. I think we need to let this movie marinate for a bit. Curious to see how many people might be changing their tune in a few years after we've had some time with Prey.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- A flower that lowers body temperature without the patient dying, and Feral doesn't see that kind of people on his thermal view, this is just bad physics, if you are losing body temperature that means you are radiating that heat in the environment, so they would be even more visible
So this is something you either buy or you don't. For my money the movie establishes the flower early enough and what it does that it works for the world of the film. Is it real? No. But neither are intergalactic trophy hunters.
Quote- Feral doesn't know how his shield works, so he amputates his own arm
The way I read the scene: Feral's stuck in the tree and tries to get himself out with his shield. Naru shoves the spear so the instead of the shield cutting the tree it slices off his own arm.
Quote- Feral doesn't know how his bio-mask works, so he headshots himself
Feral doesn't know his biomask is gone. Doesn't realize that Naru has the mask set up.
Quote- The scene of running in the meadow, when Feral kills Naru's tribe member, and catches her when she falls in a trap shows that Feral is much faster and more agile, but in a final battle Naru becomes superhero and is much more agile than Feral ? Also Feral agility is seen in burned forest when he is jumping from tree to tree. And, Feral is extremely strong, because he killed bear in melee combat, and lifted bear like it was toy. That shows that movie is non consistent, Feral should have killed Naru in a melee combat, but she beat him although he is faster, more agile, and stronger than her. It is just bad and not convincing.
No, she beat him because she got the drop on him.
Quote- Feral looks at several French men how they are loading guns instead attacking immediately, also he steps in front of Naru's loaded pistol like some kind of idiot and just looks, like he is asking, please headshot me.
Both times Naru has the pistol, Feral is doing something else. Furthermore the movie goes out of its way to explain that Feral didn't view Naru as a threat.
Quote- Taabe is best warrior and he is fiercely fighting against Feral, but at one moment he just quits without reason, and says to Naru's you go, I die. Why he didn't continue to fight, why he talked to her in the middle of the combat with Feral and just surrender ? That is just bad scripting so we can have one to one melee fight between Feral and Naru.
He's sacrificing himself so his sister can escape and eventually kill Feral. It's an inverse of the scene with with the lion. You might not like the execution, but this is Action Movie 101 type stuff. It happens in Aliens, hell, it even happens in the original Predator!
Quote- Feral doesn't behave like Predator, he is not stealthy, he is not observing, he goes in direct melee combat in the open, and that happens constantly
This is a preference thing, but Feral is clearly a new hunter, just like Naru.
Quote- Most ugly and stupid Predator design so far, mandibles are wide open and non functional, face is wierd, eyes are too wide separated and on the side of the face which is not hunter but prey design (see lions eyes, wolfs, etc.), hunters eyes are oriented in front, not to the side
This is all preference, but I liked Feral's new face.
Quote- Feral has some kind of honor code, but it is not consistent, he doesn't kill Naru who he hunted in the meadow when he catches her, but kills a man without leg or any weapons who is pretending to be dead
It's made very clear that Feral doesn't kill Naru when it finds her in the bear trap because it didn't view her as a threat. Naru took that as an insult.
Naru engineers a situation where the guy with no leg HAS a weapon. She gets him to grab his gun and point it at her. She then moves out of the way of Feral (who doesn't see her, because of the flower), who attacks him.
Quote- Bad actors, no one is even surprised that being which doesn't look like anything on Earth is suddenly here, nobody discusses that.
They discuss it as much as they talk about it in the original movie. Naru says it reminds her of a monster from stories. But if you look at Amber Midthunder's face in many of the sequences -- particularly when her people are getting killed she looks terrified. But since most of this movie is concerned with survival there just isn't a whole lot of time to ask the big questions like -- just WTF is hunting me?
Quotecharacters don't change from start to end of the movie, there is no emotions or personal growth, you don't even care about characters
Naru absolutely changes from the start of the movie to the end. She becomes more confident in her abilities, she levels up and learns about the personal sacrifice it takes to be a war chief. Personally, I liked Naru and Taabe a lot and I'd rank them as some of the best characters in the franchise.[/list]
Welp I don't mind breaking this down.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- A flower that lowers body temperature without the patient dying, and Feral doesn't see that kind of people on his thermal view, this is just bad physics, if you are losing body temperature that means you are radiating that heat in the environment, so they would be even more visible
You can say the same thing about mud. Mud doesn't keep it cold for that well and that long. In fact, for both the flower and mud, to cover their bodies to such cold temperatures would shock them into hypothermia. Both concepts have enough reality based ideas for the audience to forgive the actual physics of lowering the body temperature because it makes a fun element to the story. Suspense of Disbelief as they call it. Hell this very trope is how Jurassic Park is built upon and managed to be a successful series. You can clone from blood samples but not from blood samples of millions of years, DNA doesn't last that long and it will crumble but the film wouldn't be as fun wouldn't it? It's the same principle here, the mud and flower provides cold cover from thermal vision.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Feral doesn't know how his shield works, so he amputates his own arm
Naru thrusts the spear and Feral parries but the force behind it pushes the shield right into his arm. If you trained in HEMA or other combat sports, you'd understand that blows from any weapon will not always outright disperse when you parry or block it. The energy will always transfer somehow, whenever the blow is from a man or woman. Weapons are a combat force multiplier and it will always have a increased lethal factor adding into the fight.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Feral doesn't know how his bio-mask works, so he headshots himself
He didn't know the mask is missing on the count of him too busy dealing with a headshot from a huge ass .50 call musket ball. A wound from a bullet of that caliber will cause massive head trauma, no one will recover from that blow that easily even if you are a Predator. At that point he assumes the mask is gone. How would he have known Naru will use it against him? He doesn't have a single clue due to underestimating her and dealing with a headshot.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- The scene of running in the meadow, when Feral kills Naru's tribe member, and catches her when she falls in a trap shows that Feral is much faster and more agile, but in a final battle Naru becomes superhero and is much more agile than Feral ? Also Feral agility is seen in burned forest when he is jumping from tree to tree. And, Feral is extremely strong, because he killed bear in melee combat, and lifted bear like it was toy. That shows that movie is non consistent, Feral should have killed Naru in a melee combat, but she beat him although he is faster, more agile, and stronger than her. It is just bad and not convincing.
He also goes after her from tree to tree in the final battle. That tree trap? She knew of his agility and that he will catch up to her so she planned the spike tree trap on the exact place that Feral would have gotten her. You are right in that Feral's agility would have gotten her and she planned for this exact scenario. It just proves how a capable strategist she is to foresee this possible scenario happen.
Also you can say the same for Feral dominating Taabe, seeing how agile he was to dodge all those spear thrusts and sweeps from Feral when they fought. It doesn't surprise me that she knows how to fight too seeing how they are sibling and learned it from each other. I mean the beginning of the film shows that they hang out and train together, in the hawk scene of the duo hunting with their bows.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Feral looks at several French men how they are loading guns instead attacking immediately, also he steps in front of Naru's loaded pistol like some kind of idiot and just looks, like he is asking, please headshot me.
Since the last Frenchman headshot him and killed himself for it, he figured Naru will do the same. In that retrospect, its also him learning from experience that humans will go for headshot blows that will deal the killing blow. Of course he would have no idea how tricky they can achieve that, seeing how Naru sneaks up on him from behind with the flower medicine hiding her body temperature. It's his first time hunting on Earth so everything is going to be very new to him.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Taabe is best warrior and he is fiercely fighting against Feral, but at one moment he just quits without reason, and says to Naru's you go, I die. Why he didn't continue to fight, why he talked to her in the middle of the combat with Feral and just surrender ? That is just bad scripting so we can have one to one melee fight between Feral and Naru.
Combat pragmatism. His opponent is good, so he decides to play the stealth kill card using his cloak as the trump card. People throw dirt in the eyes, use the environment to their advantage, go for the "cheap shot" in any combat life and death situation. Taabe saw this and knew that eventually Feral will get to him due to his cloaking, you can't hit what you can't see. He gave her sister a fighting chance to live, something that any family with love in their group will do for one another. This is nothing new or bad, it's all in the line.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Feral doesn't behave like Predator, he is not stealthy, he is not observing, he goes in direct melee combat in the open, and that happens constantly
If the name "Feral" meaning existing in a wild or untamed state, having returned to an untamed state from domestication, or suggestive of a wild animal; savage, doesn't clue you in on his behavior then you gotta read a dictionary more often. It's an individual behavior, some Predators will go for a stealthy route and others wanna go all in balls out.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Most ugly and stupid Predator design so far, mandibles are wide open and non functional, face is wierd, eyes are too wide separated and on the side of the face which is not hunter but prey design (see lions eyes, wolfs, etc.), hunters eyes are oriented in front, not to the side
Well this is subjective at this point, I'm just going to talk about the story.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Feral has some kind of honor code, but it is not consistent, he doesn't kill Naru who he hunted in the meadow when he catches her, but kills a man without leg or any weapons who is pretending to be dead
That was his kill. In any hunt, you finish the kill you made. You wounded it, you track it down, and you finish the job. This is what you do in hunting in real life as it's the ethical way you are taught to do when you are going for your hunting license, and with the Predators caring about honor, this would also go in their line of finish the kill that you start.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Cliche moments, "If it bleeds it can be killed", OMG, I rolled my eyes when they said that
No lie, I would have preferred a different variant of that line but that is besides the point.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Relatively bad animal's CGI
Well they did say the film is low budget so perhaps with the success of the film, Fox will pump more money the next time around for better quality CGI.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- Bad actors, no one is even surprised that being which doesn't look like anything on Earth is suddenly here, nobody discusses that, characters don't change from start to end of the movie, there is no emotions or personal growth, you don't even care about characters
She had tried multiple times to talk about a huge ass thing killing bears with it's bare hands but no one believed her. And maybe you don't but lot of people here did and like her character alot. A combat strategist, adaptable, insightful, observant, a strong spirit that desires to do more in life, all noble qualities.
Quote from: exorcissy72 on Aug 30, 2022, 10:15:00 PMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMDutch was confident at beginning and devastated at the end of original Predator.
I disagree on all of this. Dutch has minimal to no character growth in the original Predator. There is nothing to suggest in dialogue or Schwarzenegger's acting that he's devastated.
I disagree with you. It's show, don't tell.
Before:
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After:
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This is how it is done.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 31, 2022, 04:54:44 PMWelp I don't mind breaking this down.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 31, 2022, 06:58:37 AM- A flower that lowers body temperature without the patient dying, and Feral doesn't see that kind of people on his thermal view, this is just bad physics, if you are losing body temperature that means you are radiating that heat in the environment, so they would be even more visible
You can say the same thing about mud. Mud doesn't keep it cold for that well and that long. In fact, for both the flower and mud, to cover their bodies to such cold temperatures would shock them into hypothermia. Both concepts have enough reality based ideas for the audience to forgive the actual physics of lowering the body temperature because it makes a fun element to the story. Suspense of Disbelief as they call it. Hell this very trope is how Jurassic Park is built upon and managed to be a successful series. You can clone from blood samples but not from blood samples of millions of years, DNA doesn't last that long and it will crumble but the film wouldn't be as fun wouldn't it? It's the same principle here, the mud and flower provides cold cover from thermal vision.
I thought it was placebo effect. But Yes, and besides not being an example of hard science fiction, it is a movie. Suspense of disbelief is required for sure.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 31, 2022, 06:18:14 PMQuote from: exorcissy72 on Aug 30, 2022, 10:15:00 PMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMDutch was confident at beginning and devastated at the end of original Predator.
I disagree on all of this. Dutch has minimal to no character growth in the original Predator. There is nothing to suggest in dialogue or Schwarzenegger's acting that he's devastated.
I disagree with you. It's show, don't tell.
Before:
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After:
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This is how it is done.
Good observation, haven't thought about how beginning and ending mirror each other
QuoteQuoteQuoteDutch was confident at beginning and devastated at the end of original Predator.
I disagree on all of this. Dutch has minimal to no character growth in the original Predator. There is nothing to suggest in dialogue or Schwarzenegger's acting that he's devastated.
I disagree with you. It's show, don't tell.
This is how it is done.
I agree, and I think Pred 1, 2, and Prey all do this very well. Dutch looks haunted and dead tired, as if he barely has the energy left to turn his head. Harrigan looks like a walking corpse from his wounds and all the ash and dust caking his body. Naru has what she's always wanted and more - not only does her tribe finally recognize her as a warrior, she's the new war chief - but both she and her mother look miserable after Taabe's loss. I need to see it again, but I think she can only briefly force a smile when she looks at her dog. For the whole ceremony she's trying to put on a face for the benefit of her people, but she can't manage it.
Quote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
(https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg)
At the end
(https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
best post 2022
Quote from: Komenja on Aug 30, 2022, 05:18:45 PMI don't really agree with the notions that he doesn't behave like a Predator, or that he's too stupid to know how his weapon works. His spear gun can absolutely be dumb-fired without the helmet; it flies straight for a short period before it starts homing for the marked target. If Taabe hadn't been a fast moving target on horseback, and if Feral had been closer to Naru in their final battle, I believe the spears would've hit them before they started homing. Feral's downfall was not knowing Naru had hidden his helmet and maneuvered him into it's sights. You can see him realize this right before the spear nails him in the back of the head. He even starts to vocalize, as if to say "Oh, shit!" I personally think it's similar to how Dutch tricked Jungle Hunter in the original film, and maybe even an intentional callback to that moment.
This dude shoots it four times and misses four times. The dude misses a stationary dog right in front of him, so either this gun cannot work without the helmet or this dude cannot shoot at all.
Both choices are bad.
We know the gun works with the helmet because that was shown. So if he needs the helmet to hit targets why is he using it without it? four times...
QuoteOne thing that does bug me, though, regarding the flower. When Feral is stalking through the camp, he mistakes Raphael for being dead since his blood has gone cold. But, Feral's helmet still picks up the body, with text and a line directly pointing to it out. He is fully aware that the body is there, he just thinks he's dead. But then, when Naru takes the flower, she becomes completely invisible to Feral as he walks right past her. He should've noticed the cold body that was somehow still standing.
Apparently thermal vision works based on the heat sources so the colors adjust based on the temperatures it sees. So you can say that the fire next to her was so hot and her body was so cold that she would basically disappear because the difference in her temp and the ambient temp was very little. So the shades would closely match.
Ignoring all the body issues of cooling your body from the inside, the real issue was that she moved. Pred can't see you when you match the ambient temp and stay still but they can notice movement. So the pred would have notice her moving. And on top of that she took the flower seconds from the pred appearing and he seemed to be walking so he wasn't that far away. He should've clearly seen her disappear.
That whole scene was a mess.
QuoteOh, two more things: First, I heard there was a full Comanche dub, but I don't see an option for that on Hulu. How does one watch that version?
When you select prey you can scroll down and there should be other suggestion and that should appear.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 30, 2022, 09:09:28 PMNo offense but anyone that would argue that Prey is worse than Shane Black's The Predator is either being disingenuous or seriously needs to re-evaluate what a decent movie is.
I don't think this is the best film I've ever seen or anything, I do think there are some fair criticisms and faults, but even arguing that this is like a god-awful terrible film or isn't at least a competently made film seems pretty dishonest/misguided to me.
Genuinely not trying to insult anybody or start any fires or anything, but that's just how I feel about a lot of the more scathing and 1 or 1/2 star reviews I've seen.
The Pred was a good core with bad concepts added on top. The Pred is basically AVP:R, two aliens fighting each other that cause a crash landing and then they continue the fight on the planet. And this film is so chopped up we don't even know how it was playing out originally.
The cyborg pred is a good idea for the evolution of this hunter. Instead of wearing the equipment he has some of it inside. I'm interested in learning more about this process. This is the first time I have been interested in learning more about the Preds since 2.
Prey is just a slasher flick. I doesn't play out like a Pred film at all. we just follow this girl through the flick repeatedly escaping death and at the end she kills the hulking thing that took out everybody.
This is the first pred film where the pred Is not the reason for the plot. He just shows up and starts killing things. He has nothing to do with the main story at all. He even shows horrible skills, gets beat up by the main characters, one being a small woman that is somehow stronger than him.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
She's dreaming of being a hunter.
She doesn't do her root picking because she rather be hunting.
And yay she becomes a hunter by getting 5 people killed including her brother. Great success.
Right from the start is very clear what she wants and she gets it by the end of the film.
The only thing that happens is that she finally gets what she wanted by beating a highly advanced yet tremendously bad alien being. At this point I believe that this is the first time this Pred picked up these weapons and somehow forgot to bring food and drink?Like, this dude was totally messed up from the start. This is why he was randomly getting into fist-clawfights with bears.
Some interesting takes on here but hey everyone's got an opinion eh?
"Character wants something and works to get it" is development.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMThis dude shoots it four times and misses four times. The dude misses a stationary dog right in front of him, so either this gun cannot work without the helmet or this dude cannot shoot at all.
Both choices are bad.
We know the gun works with the helmet because that was shown. So if he needs the helmet to hit targets why is he using it without it? four times...
I think the weapon can reliably kill without the helmet, so long as the user is close enough to their target. He would've hit Taabe if Taabe hadn't dodged every shot; you can see Taabe lean out of their way while on horseback. And he would've hit Naru if he was just a little bit closer to her. The dog, though... yeah. I'd say his aim was off because he just got smacked in the head and he's still reeling from it, but in the shot where he shoots he's standing perfectly still. That miss is all on him.
QuoteApparently thermal vision works based on the heat sources so the colors adjust based on the temperatures it sees. So you can say that the fire next to her was so hot and her body was so cold that she would basically disappear because the difference in her temp and the ambient temp was very little. So the shades would closely match.
Makes sense, I could buy that. Reminds me of how flares and other fire/heat sources would glare and obscure your heat vision when you looked at them in AvP 1999.
QuoteIgnoring all the body issues of cooling your body from the inside, the real issue was that she moved. Pred can't see you when you match the ambient temp and stay still but they can notice movement. So the pred would have notice her moving. And on top of that she took the flower seconds from the pred appearing and he seemed to be walking so he wasn't that far away. He should've clearly seen her disappear.
That whole scene was a mess.
Yeah, I think it would've worked better if she remained in cover until Feral arrived and moved past her, and then standing up and making her move while he's busy with the corpse.
QuoteWhen you select prey you can scroll down and there should be other suggestion and that should appear.
Sweet, thanks!
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMThe dude misses a stationary dog right in front of him
Quote from: Komenja on Sep 01, 2022, 07:37:08 AMThe dog, though... yeah.
I am so f**king thankful that dog didn't get hurt. I was on the edge of my seat most of the time worried that it would... 8)
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMThis dude shoots it four times and misses four times. The dude misses a stationary dog right in front of him, so either this gun cannot work without the helmet or this dude cannot shoot at all.
Taabe is just that good at dodging arrows? I mean they are Comanche, a tribe of warriors that get into warfare with other tribes, this is not surprising one bit that he can do that. Also he was the one that disrupted Feral's aiming at Sarii at the last moment.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMPrey is just a slasher flick. I doesn't play out like a Pred film at all. we just follow this girl through the flick repeatedly escaping death and at the end she kills the hulking thing that took out everybody.
This is the first pred film where the pred Is not the reason for the plot. He just shows up and starts killing things. He has nothing to do with the main story at all. He even shows horrible skills, gets beat up by the main characters, one being a small woman that is somehow stronger than him.
"Shows up and starts killing things" Every single Predator movie ever....... I mean they showed Feral doing stalking and tracking, which other films don't go into that much. Feral observing blood trails, footprints, and other signs of prey. Come on, the more I read your post, the more I think you are purposely ignoring parts of the film to complain.
Stronger than him in smarts? That's Feral's downfall, the flaw of the monster like in any creature film is to exploit weaknesses and turn it against them. He's a strong, agile, fast, and highly skilled brute with advanced technology thinking that he can steamroll everyone but learns the hard way that's just something you can't do with everything. Predators just can't be copy and paste versions of the last Predator, gotta be interesting and unique to have something fresh going on and this Predator really stands out in that department. Less bulkier then the Predator trio from AVP, but just as strong. A young blood like CH but more brutal and ferocious. It's an interesting dynamic compared to his opposite Naru who is a level headed and calculating upcoming hunter who is adapting to every situation she is in. The blue to the red, light and shadow. I mean for cripes sake, Feral's coloring is red/black and Naru's outfit color is tan/blue, its super obvious to what they were doing here.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMShe's dreaming of being a hunter.
She doesn't do her root picking because she rather be hunting.
And yay she becomes a hunter by getting 5 people killed including her brother. Great success.
Those four warriors didn't head her warning so it's their fault, not her's. Her brother purposely gave his life for her to finish the job, knowing full well that he trusts that she can kill it. Action films with male leads have similar tropes of the female love interest either in the beginning of the film or in the middle, to be dead or be killed to give the male character more motivation to do something. This is just the gender swapped version and it makes sense giving to the fact that he's giving her time to escape and find a way to kill it, as any brave warrior/sibling would do for a loved family member.
Just more excuses to purposely hate the film I see.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
Completely unrelated pictures.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 04:45:11 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
Completely unrelated pictures.
We can't point out that Naru changes like Dutch did a few posts back? This is in relation to that. It paints it quite clearly too. Very selective in what is allowed and what isn't. Very.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 04:56:45 PMQuote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 04:45:11 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
Completely unrelated pictures.
We can't point out that Naru changes like Dutch did a few posts back? This is in relation to that. It paints it quite clearly too. Very selective in what is allowed and what isn't. Very.
They tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
I don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 04:56:45 PMQuote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 04:45:11 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 01, 2022, 12:30:32 AMQuote from: Preddie-nokas on Aug 30, 2022, 08:23:09 PMNaru is same all the time, no emotions, no character growth, empty shell.
She's definitely not the same at the end of the movie.
At the beginning
https://i.ibb.co/jfHFxgX/Pics-Art-08-31-08-17-25.jpg
At the end
https://i.ibb.co/h8SpxV9/Pics-Art-08-31-08-18-06.jpg
Completely unrelated pictures.
We can't point out that Naru changes like Dutch did a few posts back? This is in relation to that. It paints it quite clearly too. Very selective in what is allowed and what isn't. Very.
They tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
I don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
That's not how I read it. She was pissed at being captured by some assholes. So she was an asshole back and didn't want to give them what she knew, why would they deserve it if they put her in a box? I wouldn't give that info is someone put me in a position like that.
I'm just curious if people here aren't able to read emotions? She clearly after each person dies around her shows a "oh shit holy f**k" face. After the bear. After the log scene she has rage in her eyes before running to the field. She has a full mental breakdown when Taabe dies, and we see her mother do the same.
That rage of loss of a love one will change you. Will even hide your emotions. Not to make it too personal, but when I lost my mother to cancer in 2016 I became a very emotionless shell of myself. Mean, but emotionless in my expressions. She reminded me of my emotions when setting up the trap for Feral at the end while talking to the kidnapped trapper.
To say she wasn't showing anything is naively false and I think those who say this really need to watch the movie again and pay attention to the characters. And I'd even say ignore gender to some too.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMThey tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
How is that your takeaway of that line? It's pretty clear that it's meant to point out how it excludes her from the clan in both a way that comments on how nobody takes her seriously or perceives her as a threat. I also took it as a reassuring statement to herself and begrudging statement towards the Predator. Both relieved that she survived, and like saying "that bastard didn't get me, but I will make sure I get him".
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMI don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
Idk how you can see her go from failing to kill a deer and a lion, to killing a full blown Predator to avenge her brother and clan, and say that she hadn't changed. I can see how your argument is maybe based in that she always had confidence in herself and her abilities both at the beginning and end of the film. But actually expanding and using those abilities to overcome obstacles over the course of the story IS part of character growth.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 01, 2022, 05:22:50 PMI can see how your argument is maybe based in that she always had confidence in herself and her abilities both at the beginning and end of the film. But actually expanding and using those abilities to overcome obstacles over the course of the story IS part of character growth.
Reminds me of some confident characters that are constantly pushed back against even if they know the greater truth. Characters like Ripley, or Sarah Conner come to mind immediately. Especially in ALIENS and T2. Even with fear; they still run at the danger when put in the right situation. They took charge. Like Naru did. "If they can't see it, show them."
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 05:32:30 PMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 01, 2022, 05:22:50 PMI can see how your argument is maybe based in that she always had confidence in herself and her abilities both at the beginning and end of the film. But actually expanding and using those abilities to overcome obstacles over the course of the story IS part of character growth.
Reminds me of some confident characters that are constantly pushed back against even if they know the greater truth. Characters like Ripley, or Sarah Conner come to mind immediately. Especially in ALIENS and T2. Even with fear; they still run at the danger when put in the right situation. They took charge. Like Naru did. "If they can't see it, show them."
Totally! Great point and examples.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 05:32:30 PMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 01, 2022, 05:22:50 PMI can see how your argument is maybe based in that she always had confidence in herself and her abilities both at the beginning and end of the film. But actually expanding and using those abilities to overcome obstacles over the course of the story IS part of character growth.
Reminds me of some confident characters that are constantly pushed back against even if they know the greater truth. Characters like Ripley, or Sarah Conner come to mind immediately. Especially in ALIENS and T2. Even with fear; they still run at the danger when put in the right situation. They took charge. Like Naru did. "If they can't see it, show them."
On subsequent viewings that line makes me downright emotional honestly, and the score that follows it. The only other film in either franchise to do that's Alien³ frankly.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 01, 2022, 05:22:50 PMIt's pretty clear that it's meant to point out how it excludes her from the clan in both a way that comments on how nobody takes her seriously or perceives her as a threat.
Exactly, and she had to make a point about it. That's being petty.
She needs everyone to know she's worthy and just as capable, even when locked in a cage after a monster killed members of her tribe. She's obviously not phased enough if she still insists on those things.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 05:19:36 PMI'm just curious if people here aren't able to read emotions? She clearly after each person dies around her shows a "oh shit holy f**k" face. After the bear. After the log scene she has rage in her eyes before running to the field. She has a full mental breakdown when Taabe dies, and we see her mother do the same.
To say she wasn't showing anything is naively false and I think those who say this really need to watch the movie again and pay attention to the characters. And I'd even say ignore gender to some too.
She does have a "holy shit" face, but not in a sense of "holy shit John died", it's more like "holy shit this is crazy"
Soon after she no longer thinks about it. You can say she's hiding emotion based on your own personal experience, but I don't think this movie is that deep. I think she doesn't give a damn about any of her fellow tribesmen, except her brother.
But even with him she's jealous he's the one who killed the lion and stuff like that.
And her mother just slapped the carpet a bit. It's all a quick scene of what an emotional reaction should be, but it doesn't leave a lasting impression. It's like a dog being pissed at a cat, but as soon as its out of sight, he carries on as if nothing pissed him off a moment ago.
She's also referring to Taabe when she says not everyone.
What do you wanted her to say?
"It killed your whole clan"
"Yes you're totally right I am now completely alone and defenceless; nobody can possibly come to save me and I am at your mercy."
That's moronic.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 08:35:43 PMQuote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 01, 2022, 05:22:50 PMIt's pretty clear that it's meant to point out how it excludes her from the clan in both a way that comments on how nobody takes her seriously or perceives her as a threat.
Exactly, and she had to make a point about it. That's being petty.
She needs everyone to know she's worthy and just as capable, even when locked in a cage after a monster killed members of her tribe. She's obviously not phased enough if she still insists on those things.
I mean I guess that's your interpretation, but it seems pretty cynical. I don't think she's the boastful character that has to announce things to everyone that you seem to think she is. She's not trying to be like "look at me everyone! I survived!". Again, it seems more like a personal assurance to herself rather than her trying to make some type of statement to everyone.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 08:35:43 PMSoon after she no longer thinks about it. You can say she's hiding emotion based on your own personal experience, but I don't think this movie is that deep. I think she doesn't give a damn about any of her fellow tribesmen, except her brother.
But even with him she's jealous he's the one who killed the lion and stuff like that.
And her mother just slapped the carpet a bit. It's all a quick scene of what an emotional reaction should be, but it doesn't leave a lasting impression. It's like a dog being pissed at a cat, but as soon as its out of sight, he carries on as if nothing pissed him off a moment ago.
I don't think she was jealous in a way where she had any resentment towards her brother about the lion. She seemed disappointed in herself if anything, and she didn't even focus on the lion at all after he got made warchief. She went straight to "there's still something out there that we need to handle".
"Her mother just slapped the carpet a bit" seems like a major downplay of that scene. It's hard for me, and friends I know who've watched it, to not get choked up during that scene. I think it's a pretty heart wrenching scene and has a lot of weight to it. It shows a mother who's grieving for her child, but can't just stop and not do her responsibilities that she has to her tribe in this unfair and demanding world. It seemed very grounded and real to me, in that a lot of the time when people are grieving, the world doesn't care and they still have to just grit and carry on with their responsibilities, whether because they HAVE to, or to just try and help keep their mind off the pain. I've personally dealt with that in my life in this modern age, and I'm sure it was even more common back then when life was much harder.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2022, 08:44:34 PMShe's also referring to Taabe when she says not everyone.
What do you wanted her to say?
"It killed your whole clan"
"Yes you're totally right I am now completely alone and defenceless; nobody can possibly come to save me and I am at your mercy."
That's moronic.
She could have not said anything
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 01, 2022, 03:52:49 PMTaabe is just that good at dodging arrows? I mean they are Comanche, a tribe of warriors that get into warfare with other tribes, this is not surprising one bit that he can do that. Also he was the one that disrupted Feral's aiming at Sarii at the last moment.
It's surprising that this top hunter keeps missing with the same weapon and never adjusts. How many times does he needs to shoot to learn he can't use the gun without the helmet? why doesn't he knows this from the start?
Quote"Shows up and starts killing things" Every single Predator movie ever....... I mean they showed Feral doing stalking and tracking, which other films don't go into that much. Feral observing blood trails, footprints, and other signs of prey. Come on, the more I read your post, the more I think you are purposely ignoring parts of the film to complain.
I think you are purposely ignoring parts of the post to complain. This Pred is not part of the main plot. The story of this movie is just a girl following her dream.
In Pred 1 the pred kills the first team causing the movie to happen. Because of the pred Dutchs team get drawn into the situation.
In 2 the pred decides to get in the middle of a gang war which means the main characters have to get involve which leads to the movie happening.
In Preds the preds pick people up and drop them somewhere else for other preds to hunt. They are the cause of the whole movie.
In The Pred two preds are fighting causing a crash which has people looking into this leading to the rest of the movie.
In Prey the pred is just randomly killing things for half of the movie not doing anything involving the plot until the main character finally goes after him which then FINALLY has the pred take notice. The movie doesn't happen because of the pred the movie happens because of the main character. Again, the first pred movie where the pred isn't spark that leads to the rest of the events.
QuoteStronger than him in smarts?
No stronger than him in strength. She overpowers him several times. When the pred had her by the neck and she pushes herself to the rocks, when she uses the spear and pushes his shield arm so far back he cuts his other arm, and when she pulls him into the mud. It's crazy.
QuoteThat's Feral's downfall, the flaw of the monster like in any creature film is to exploit weaknesses and turn it against them. He's a strong, agile, fast, and highly skilled brute with advanced technology thinking that he can steamroll everyone but learns the hard way that's just something you can't do with everything.
This Preds weakness is that he constantly walks into traps even when he knows they are there, his thermal vision randomly works, he can't use his weapons, this is the worst showing of a pred in film. It's hardly exploiting when there are so many.
QuotePredators just can't be copy and paste versions of the last Predator, gotta be interesting and unique to have something fresh going on and this Predator really stands out in that department. Less bulkier then the Predator trio from AVP, but just as strong. A young blood like CH but more brutal and ferocious. It's an interesting dynamic compared to his opposite Naru who is a level headed and calculating upcoming hunter who is adapting to every situation she is in. The blue to the red, light and shadow. I mean for cripes sake, Feral's coloring is red/black and Naru's outfit color is tan/blue, its super obvious to what they were doing here.
I'll give you unique but it sure as hell not interesting. Who wants to see a movie about a dumb predator? They are supposed to be high level hunters, who wants to see a pred get constantly beat up by the main characters when his not doing dumb stuff?
QuoteThose four warriors didn't head her warning so it's their fault, not her's.
They are there because of her, they went to go pick her up because of her nonsense. The pred is drawn to them because of her, he took an interest in her and started tracking her. This is her fault on every level, she created this situation.
QuoteHer brother purposely gave his life for her to finish the job, knowing full well that he trusts that she can kill it.
Why? he was kicking the Preds butt so hard the pred had to regroup? why does he suddenly give up? He just stopped.
QuoteAction films with male leads have similar tropes of the female love interest either in the beginning of the film or in the middle, to be dead or be killed to give the male character more motivation to do something. This is just the gender swapped version and it makes sense giving to the fact that he's giving her time to escape and find a way to kill it, as any brave warrior/sibling would do for a loved family member.
Just more excuses to purposely hate the film I see.
The problem with this is that she wanted the pred for the second she saw his track. She wants the pred so bad that she annoyed her brother and mother and decided to go hunting alone. I don't think the brother dying change anything in the story. Plus the brother was kicking the Preds ass so it's not like the pred did this to mock the main character.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2022, 08:44:34 PMShe's also referring to Taabe when she says not everyone.
What do you wanted her to say?
"It killed your whole clan"
"Yes you're totally right I am now completely alone and defenceless; nobody can possibly come to save me and I am at your mercy."
That's moronic.
Wait... You think is smart to reveal that there is some one else that can get more people to save her? To tell her captors to go out and look for more people?
Im sorry but no, that's not smart at all.
There's lots of willful ignorance going on when it comes to certain "criticisms" of the movie
Finally! Some good 'ol AvP discussion! Thing is Naru is abit bratty and jealous but on the other hand she's brave and likable. I'm not convinced in the way final battle was portrayed and think whole setup was too contrived. Presonaly I'd love if Predator just drowned in the swamp. Pure and simple way to show why sometimes it's better to be light and agile instead of heavy brute Fearl is.
My new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMThey tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
That's not at all how she's saying it. She's trying to play a game of intimidation with the French trappers she's saying "not everyone" implying there's more of her tribe out there and referring to herself and Taabe -- she of course didn't know that they had captured Taabe at the same time.
QuoteI don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
She definitely changes. At the start of the story she thinks kuhtaamia is all about proving herself, by the end of the film she's learned that it's really about protecting the tribe and her people. She kills Feral and tells her people it's time to leave.
Quote from: exorcissy72 on Sep 01, 2022, 10:19:00 PMQuote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMThey tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
That's not at all how she's saying it. She's trying to play a game of intimidation with the French trappers she's saying "not everyone" implying there's more of her tribe out there and referring to herself and Taabe -- she of course didn't know that they had captured Taabe at the same time.
QuoteI don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
She definitely changes. At the start of the story she thinks kuhtaamia is all about proving herself, by the end of the film she's learned that it's really about protecting the tribe and her people. She kills Feral and tells her people it's time to leave.
meh
I mean, I think the movie is ok, I'm not nitpicking things to hate on it.
I'm ok with Naru, my main beef is with the Predator not really showing characteristics that I like in my Predators.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 10:07:28 PMMy new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
It baffles me too but also at the same time reminds me, especially as someone with autism, that things like behaviour and social skills are in fact skills and not something that comes as "naturally" to everyone as some might think.
Pardon me while I restrain myself from saying
Spoiler
"skill issue".
Quote from: PsyKore on Sep 01, 2022, 02:06:07 PMQuote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 06:00:07 AMThe dude misses a stationary dog right in front of him
Quote from: Komenja on Sep 01, 2022, 07:37:08 AMThe dog, though... yeah.
I am so f**king thankful that dog didn't get hurt. I was on the edge of my seat most of the time worried that it would... 8)
The dog is Jones' great, great, great, great grandfather's mortal nemesis.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 01, 2022, 11:01:41 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 10:07:28 PMMy new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
It baffles me too but also at the same time reminds me, especially as someone with autism, that things like behaviour and social skills are in fact skills and not something that comes as "naturally" to everyone as some might think.
Pardon me while I restrain myself from saying Spoiler
"skill issue".
Very, very good point.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 11:24:11 PMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 01, 2022, 11:01:41 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 10:07:28 PMMy new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
It baffles me too but also at the same time reminds me, especially as someone with autism, that things like behaviour and social skills are in fact skills and not something that comes as "naturally" to everyone as some might think.
Pardon me while I restrain myself from saying Spoiler
"skill issue".
Very, very good point.
I know a few people who smile and laugh when faced with grief or confronting bad news. It's their way. It's not wrong - it's just the way they deal with overwhelming and strong (sad) emotions.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 09:34:08 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2022, 08:44:34 PMShe's also referring to Taabe when she says not everyone.
What do you wanted her to say?
"It killed your whole clan"
"Yes you're totally right I am now completely alone and defenceless; nobody can possibly come to save me and I am at your mercy."
That's moronic.
She could have not said anything
She's being defiant and trying to intimidate the trappers by telling them there are more people out there coming for them.
Quote from: Prez on Sep 01, 2022, 11:33:43 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 11:24:11 PMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 01, 2022, 11:01:41 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 10:07:28 PMMy new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
It baffles me too but also at the same time reminds me, especially as someone with autism, that things like behaviour and social skills are in fact skills and not something that comes as "naturally" to everyone as some might think.
Pardon me while I restrain myself from saying Spoiler
"skill issue".
Very, very good point.
I know a few people who smile and laugh when faced with grief or confronting bad news. It's their way. It's not wrong - it's just the way they deal with overwhelming and strong (sad) emotions.
I laughed when I lost my job shortly after my mom dying, so definitely a thing. It was a "how can this get any worse, and someone has to be f**king with me" kind of laugh. Just craziness because I was overwhelmed.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 11:36:27 PMQuote from: Prez on Sep 01, 2022, 11:33:43 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 11:24:11 PMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 01, 2022, 11:01:41 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Sep 01, 2022, 10:07:28 PMMy new favorite is now that people need to grieve a certain way. Try being told someone you love dies while you are part of a system that won't work well if you need to take the time to grieve. Her mother smacking the hide after Taabe's news is very relatable having been on productions when finding out I've lost a loved one. No time to stop or else the show won't go on, so you have to suck it up and cry later. God damn, I didn't know people had to emote in exact ways for people to realize what's going on.
Imagine if someone told you in your darkest hour in real life that you're emotions are the wrong kind and you should be sadder, angrier, or you're showing too much. That's what it feels like I'm reading here. Being told to emote a certain way is such a weird take.
It baffles me too but also at the same time reminds me, especially as someone with autism, that things like behaviour and social skills are in fact skills and not something that comes as "naturally" to everyone as some might think.
Pardon me while I restrain myself from saying Spoiler
"skill issue".
Very, very good point.
I know a few people who smile and laugh when faced with grief or confronting bad news. It's their way. It's not wrong - it's just the way they deal with overwhelming and strong (sad) emotions.
I laughed when I lost my job shortly after my mom dying, so definitely a thing. It was a "how can this get any worse, and someone has to be f**king with me" kind of laugh. Just craziness because I was overwhelmed.
Really goes to show that how one expresses themselves in a certain scenario isn't always black and white and the people who don't get that have a lot to learn.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMI think you are purposely ignoring parts of the post to complain. This Pred is not part of the main plot. The story of this movie is just a girl following her dream.
Wtf are you talking about, deadass? If the Predator isn't part of the main plot then there would be no conflict. Seriously, now this is some gymnastics levels of coping and seething of someone upset that the lead kills a Predator. You can say this same thing for every Predator film, its just a movie of some guy tricked into doing a CIA mission. It's just a movie of some dude trying to stop a drug war, ect.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMIn Pred 1 the pred kills the first team causing the movie to happen. Because of the pred Dutchs team get drawn into the situation.
Half-True, the team was called in there to do a mission, what was thought to be a rescue mission turns out to be an seek and destroy mission, all manipulated by Dillon and his superiors. If Dutch refused the mission, that wouldn't stop the Predator from hunting the rest of the guerilla camp.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMIn 2 the pred decides to get in the middle of a gang war which means the main characters have to get involve which leads to the movie happening.
False, the drug war was already happening and what could have been a cops vs gangs film became a Predator film with the creature's involvement.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMIn Preds the preds pick people up and drop them somewhere else for other preds to hunt. They are the cause of the whole movie.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMIn The Pred two preds are fighting causing a crash which has people looking into this leading to the rest of the movie.
True, this is not even false.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMIn Prey the pred is just randomly killing things for half of the movie not doing anything involving the plot until the main character finally goes after him which then FINALLY has the pred take notice. The movie doesn't happen because of the pred the movie happens because of the main character. Again, the first pred movie where the pred isn't spark that leads to the rest of the events.
Yeah, its called conflict and character establishment. We see both sides of Naru and Feral observing, stalking, and working things out in the beginning of the film. With Feral testing out the local wildlife, Naru creating new tools to be a more efficient hunter, both Naru and Feral noticing the third player side of the film, the French Trappers, and
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMNo stronger than him in strength. She overpowers him several times. When the pred had her by the neck and she pushes herself to the rocks, when she uses the spear and pushes his shield arm so far back he cuts his other arm, and when she pulls him into the mud. It's crazy.
"The neck" that's on Feral for thinking he's got her right where he wants her and not snapping her neck within a second due to his arrogance. Pride is always a poison that can even kill a god.
"Spear" I covered this with Pred-Nookie that a heavy blow from a spear, especially one with a mace at the end, will never disperse all that kinetic energy behind it, there will always be some force when parring the blow with a shield and she hit it at an angle where it drove the shield back and knocked into it's arm. It would be different if she hit's it dead center where resistance is at it's strongest.
"Mud Trap" Yeah, I recall that Sarii gave her the tomahawk with the rope at the end where she tied up the legs, then the neck, and then used leverage to pull him into the mud. If you know anything about levers and pulleys is that it can help work with weight that one cannot do with their hands by themselves.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMThis Preds weakness is that he constantly walks into traps even when he knows they are there, his thermal vision randomly works, he can't use his weapons, this is the worst showing of a pred in film. It's hardly exploiting when there are so many.
Nothing in the scene shows that he knew about the traps. Hell, he didn't even know about the Frenchmen hiding under cover to trap him, so how in the hell can he see cold metal? He only knew about the trap Naru had as it was directly on her leg. His weapons are fine, simply that like with any weapon, it has flaws and weaknesses and they are simply exploited.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMI'll give you unique but it sure as hell not interesting. Who wants to see a movie about a dumb predator? They are supposed to be high level hunters, who wants to see a pred get constantly beat up by the main characters when his not doing dumb stuff?
Let me tell you a quick summary of a old story that relates to this, one that even Dan took inspiration from, its called
David vs Goliath:
QuoteA great Philistine giant named Goliath, that stood at over nine feet tall, came to the front of the Philistine battle line each day for forty days and mocked the Israelites and their God. Goliath called to them to fight, but King Saul and the Israelites were scared and did nothing.
David was sent by his dad Jesse to visit the front lines and bring back battle news from his brothers. David heard Goliath mocking Israel and their God. David was brave and volunteered to fight Goliath. He persuaded King Saul to let him go fight and decided not to wear any of King Saul's armor. David carried his sling and gathered five smooth stones. Goliath laughed at David, but David responded that even though Goliath had a sword and spear, he came in the name of the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel. David put a rock in his sling and swung one of the rocks at Goliath's head. The rock sank into the giant's forehead, and he fell. David then picked up Goliath's sword and used it to kill Goliath and cut off his head.
Huh.....why does this sound familiar.....sounds like beats from a film we are talking about? Seems like the theme of enemies who think they are almighty and arrogant will see themselves fall hard to opponents they underestimate? The behind the scenes even explained that Feral is a hot blooded Young Blood who also is out there proving himself to be a strong hunter. A counterpart to Naru who while also wants to be a hunter, is always humbled and learns from the experience of her failures to succeed in the next battle. The concept of this enemy architype is nothing new and it's old as time. Nothing is wrong with this trope and the theme the Predator is fulfilling.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMThey are there because of her, they went to go pick her up because of her nonsense. The pred is drawn to them because of her, he took an interest in her and started tracking her. This is her fault on every level, she created this situation.
She kept warning them of the danger and they ignored her so she went to settle the matter herself. If they simply went with her to check out a possible threat to the tribe, then perhaps they could have worked together to face this threat. Show them the body of the bear and then they will think things differently. This was all due to their negligence on heeding her waring and they paid the price for it.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMWhy? he was kicking the Preds butt so hard the pred had to regroup? why does he suddenly give up? He just stopped.
As I said to Nookie before: Combat pragmatism. Feral's new opponent is good, so he decides to play the stealth kill card using his cloak as the trump card. People throw dirt in the eyes, use the environment to their advantage, go for the "cheap shot" in any combat life and death situation. Taabe saw this and knew that eventually Feral will get to him due to his cloaking, you can't hit what you can't see. He gave her sister a fighting chance to live, something that any family with love in their group will do for one another. This is nothing new or bad, it's all in the line.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 01, 2022, 09:44:16 PMThe problem with this is that she wanted the pred for the second she saw his track. She wants the pred so bad that she annoyed her brother and mother and decided to go hunting alone. I don't think the brother dying change anything in the story. Plus the brother was kicking the Preds ass so it's not like the pred did this to mock the main character.
Again, they fail to at least check out what the fuss is all about. Their fault for failing to investigating a new threat to the tribe. Especially the warriors escalated further when they started to beat her down, you lost the argument at that point. They didn't even consider at least working together to find Taabe, strength in numbers after all but they had to tell her what to do. This falls on them.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Sep 01, 2022, 11:43:46 PMReally goes to show that how one expresses themselves in a certain scenario isn't always black and white and the people who don't get that have a lot to learn.
Let's not forget that there is already a scene with Naru and her mother grieving about the loss, one washing herself of blood with hands shaking and the other breaking down while trying to do a work chore.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 10:23:08 PMQuote from: exorcissy72 on Sep 01, 2022, 10:19:00 PMQuote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 05:09:03 PMThey tell Naru "he killed your whole clan" and she is all smug about it "no, he didn't kill everyone" like saying "f**k my clan, they don't matter"
That's not at all how she's saying it. She's trying to play a game of intimidation with the French trappers she's saying "not everyone" implying there's more of her tribe out there and referring to herself and Taabe -- she of course didn't know that they had captured Taabe at the same time.
QuoteI don't see her changing at the end. People changed their opinion on her, but she's the same.
She definitely changes. At the start of the story she thinks kuhtaamia is all about proving herself, by the end of the film she's learned that it's really about protecting the tribe and her people. She kills Feral and tells her people it's time to leave.
meh
I mean, I think the movie is ok, I'm not nitpicking things to hate on it.
I'm ok with Naru, my main beef is with the Predator not really showing characteristics that I like in my Predators.
That's one of my bigger gripes too...
It's nice to see that the film speaks to some fans on a personal level though- granted comments of Prey being better than the first movie (or even movies like Aliens) really has me wondering if it's all just the hype talking.
But I digress and hope it will age well for me in time.
I just find it extremely disappointing that it's right at my fingertips for me to watch on Hulu and I don't even have that desire to revisit it for a 3rd time just yet.
For me it was barebones by way of storytelling. They went back to basics but made it too
basic.
I never really looked at the Predator franchise as your typical slasher movie and yet that's how Prey felt to me as they didn't even bother making any other characters, apart from Naru and Taabe (and sure the doggo too) likable and interesting.
Instead of having conversations amongst the Comanche tribe revolving around other things that could build more character and a proper feel of the time period this movie is set in (like their beef with the fur trappers or even some shamanism), we consistently see characters talk down Naru instead.
The French trappers felt even more undercooked for me and I think that was one of the bigger missed opportunities for establishing more unique scenes and dialogue amongst the characters.
They were displayed as completely goofy barbarians who were somehow able to piece together the predator creature and it's intentions quicker than Dutch's men. Maybe you can argue that they got a glimpse of Feral attacking someone or something, but I think it was a poor decision and lazy writing to not establish more than what was shown.
That all being said, I am really enjoying people approaching me about Prey that know I've been a fan of this franchise. That has been a joy.
Naru being weak (insert woman if required) is the lamest argument I've seen pop up.
Dutch is a God damn ant compared to a predator. The movie makes sure you know that.
Can't remember anybody criticising Vas when she pins a damn Alien to the wall with her foot :laugh:
Quote from: overthere on Sep 01, 2022, 09:34:08 PMShe could have not said anything
Predator and Predator 2 are chock full of one liners why do you want Naru to not say anything? :S
Quote from: Highland on Sep 02, 2022, 11:18:21 AMCan't remember anybody criticising Vas when she pins a damn Alien to the wall with her foot :laugh:
Lots of people did actually. They couldn't stand the vent scene. That was mostly because they were the kind of fans that say Cameron ruined the Aliens etc etc
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 02, 2022, 04:21:25 AMhas me wondering if it's all just the hype talking.
Yeah some of it is we all know PREDATOR 2 still unrivalled 8)
Cameron ruined Aliens then Ridley said hold my beer!
I think the criticism of the horror element is very valid, but I just can't imagine Predator ever being that scary again( I did think P1 was scary as hell as a kid).
I'd love to be proved wrong though.
Naru's evolution is pretty simple : she is not a warrior, she wants to become one, she fails, then she succeeds.
I don't get how people say it's not there.
Quote from: Prez on Sep 01, 2022, 11:33:43 PMI know a few people who smile and laugh when faced with grief or confronting bad news. It's their way. It's not wrong - it's just the way they deal with overwhelming and strong (sad) emotions.
I did that at my grandmother's funeral, and on other occasions where I wasn't supposed to laugh :-X 🙈
We all grieve differently, for me, I always break down much later.
I loved this movie. Amber Midthunder was an excellent protagonist, I loved the juxtaposition of both her and the Feral Predator as inexperienced hunters and her developing her resourcefulness while he becomes increasingly more brutish. For a modern streaming entry to an 80's horror franchise it employs contemporary film making techniques in a way that's not a detriment, the CGI and digital shooting is well done, with great use of panoramic views and soft focus shots.
Best of all it's a freakin' prequel to Predator 2 and that's always instant brownie points for me.
So, i finally have time to comment again and i have read all 84 pages, is always interesting and entertainning to see the exchange of opinions here and i can get lost for hours just reading, and as someone who has been part of a lot of discussion boards i can assure this one is one the best forums for fans of X thing.
I saw the movie twice and thought it was fine, is a decent entertainment, i voted "it was okay" but i would give it a 7 out of 10 but i am thinking lately it might be more of a 6 xP didnt felt much like a Predator movie and the titular character either, however i was entertainned the whole way through and that is more of what i can say of a lot of movies nowadays, without being great is better than 99% of the garbage hollywood released this year and some of the previous years too, which is sad when you think about it.
For sure is better than The Predator which was practically impossible not to be, i watched Predators on tv once a long time ago and never again and thought it was some crappy half remake half dumb ideas bad movie but this one is not much if any better, i dont think is better than Predator 2 at all, the first two movies with all the flaws they might have are untouchable.
However i think they had the right idea and i think this is what the franchise should be: an anthology, standalone movies set in random periods and places of human history where a story is developing and all of the sudden the Predator shows up.
Like the first two movies, only with more polish and zero forced cringe eye rolling references, it reminds of the same crap they do in the Terminator franchise.
I think they could even make a movie where is like a 2 hour anthology with 3 or 4 short stories, one with pirates, the mob, samurais, world war, they have a lot of options.
Random thoughts about it because i forgot the structure of what i was gonna say:
-If something as atrocious and embarrasing, insulting, in every level like Jurassic World Dominion or Thor: Love and Thunder which are a waste of money and even worse, time, get a worldwide theatrical release, there is no logical reason a much better movie like Prey goes straight to streaming, i wanted to see this in theaters.
And like i read in other forum, the worst part is that if it did well, like it did, the suit people are probably gonna think that then the place of the franchise is streaming services.
-I read (not just here but several places) that the movie was very slow paces in the first act, very gory, and had very little dialogue.
I dont find this to be true at all, the movie is fast paced, is not very violent and most of the stuff happens off screen and there is plenty of dialogue, before watching the movie i thought it was gonna be almost like an artsy independent/not from hollywood film but nah.
-It has some pacing issues, i didnt noticed it as much on the second viewing but it has several times when it starts to pick up and then it just stops.
A good example of this is the battle with the (cartoonish but not in a good way) French people, the first time i saw it i thought it was like this big sequence right before the third act and i was confused when all of the sudden the Predator makes the bomb explode and the scene ends and then the pacing slows down and we have like half an hour of more movie? I thought it was weird.
-I thought Naru and her brother were fine both as characters and in acting, not that they had much to do, i get the idea of the movie but maybe the script was too barebones.
I liked Amber in the first season of Legion (didnt watched the others yet) and was optimistic about her casting.
-Despite the flaws, i am happy that the interest in the franchise has been renewed for audiences and fans, on a technical level the movie is good and the crew put effort and that is always nice to see recognized and rewarded.
-I liked seeing the Predator going up in the food chain, that was cool, maybe they should have kept him more in the background but whatever.
-The design of the Predator face was garbage, no way around it, the single worst design in every cinematic appearance of the character so far and i cannot believe that aspect gets worse with every movie.
A shame because otherwise i liked the design, specially the mask.
-Action scenes were fun specially the one with the French.
-Some baaad dialogues.
-Forced and stupid references. They were forced. And stupid. I would bet that kind of crap always comes from the producers.
-Some confusing stuff, is not very clear that the (i think they are but not sure i will check it out) buffalos were not killed by the Predator.
I get that was the point, you are supposed to be confused at first glance and then when you see the cigar you get it but if i have to watch a movie more than once to understand something simple then maybe the people making it should be more clear in how they communicate information to the audience, hollywood always break the golden rule of cinema of show dont tell and it was nice to see a bit of that here in that scene but it wss not well done.
Is also confusing how Naru cuts off the Predator arm, between the quick cuts the darkness and the not very clear communication/choreography of the action happening on screen you get taken out of the movie, because instead of just being show by the movie what is happening you have to stop being involved in the story to think about what you are seeing, and i think but cant remember that happens in at least one more moment.
-Speaking of which, the final battle felt rushed and anticlimatic. The way the Predator dies was stupid, i was expecting something more elaborated.
And i remember right in the first two movies the final battle was practically the whole third act and it was filled with setup and suspense and stakes, here is like 5 minutes and done.
-I liked the music, it was good even if it wasnt memorable and some moments could have used more silence.
-All of the sudden Naru becomes a killer and kills three men. We never see any emotional repercusion of that, is just a "cool action scene".
-Typical "science fiction prequel" problem where the technology is more advanced despite happening before in the timeline of previous movies, we saw this in the Star Wars prequels, Prometheus, etc.
I am specifically talking about water not affecting the cloaking but it applies to thermal vision i guess. Dumb oversight.
-The visual effect of the cloaking was cooler before, if i remember right AVP wad the last one that got the look right, maybe just the original two Predator movies.
-The Predator 2 pistol easter egg was dumb. It reminds me of stuff like the Han Solo movie or crap prequels like that were they think we want to know every detail and background story or everything. I dont. On the contrary actually, a mistery is interesting because of what we dont know. And if you make something i dont like i dont count it as canon, that is why there are only two Predator movies.
-The CGI was fine, i watch things on my cellphone now so is more noticeable, i dont know the budget for this but the only thing i care in a movie is that is good, i thought the wolf was the best one.
-I liked the dog lol
I think that is all i have to say about the movie, i cant imagine the wall of text i just made and i am even almost embarrased to look, i dont even expect anyone to read all of this it must be exhausting, i just wanted to share my thoughts, overall i enjoyed the movie for what it was, as a final comment i hope the new Alien movie being made is good enough and succesfull as this one more than anything so the interest in the franchises goes back a little bit to not being a joke for a lot of people, and so we can finally get a good AVP movie.
What did Feral have that was more advanced than JH had? The best I can think of is the vision mode, but that was due to technical limitations of the time when the og movie was made
Quote-The Predator 2 pistol easter egg was dumb. It reminds me of stuff like the Han Solo movie or crap prequels like that were they think we want to know every detail and background story or everything. I dont. On the contrary actually, a mistery is interesting because of what we dont know. And if you make something i dont like i dont count it as canon, that is why there are only two Predator movies.
Nvm, not worth talking to you ;D
The pistol is an amazing touch because it leaves the film on a giant cliffhanger, while also still letting it stand on its own. Imagine someone watched Prey as their first Predator film and then went back to check the old ones, the end of 2 would be a huge jolt crap moment.
Quote from: D88M on Sep 05, 2022, 10:44:05 PMi watch things on my cellphone now
You mean, you watched the movie on your
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Quote from: Some Old Dude on Sep 06, 2022, 03:30:48 AMThe pistol is an amazing touch because it leaves the film on a giant cliffhanger, while also still letting it stand on its own. Imagine someone watched Prey as their first Predator film and then went back to check the old ones, the end of 2 would be a huge jolt crap moment.
Nah, I'm unhappy with it. It diminishes the scene from P2 for me.
How so?
It's a much better story than the graphic novel.
Quote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:53:35 AMNah, I'm unhappy with it. It diminishes the scene from P2 for me.
I disagree because there's now more to it than just Greyback got it off Italian Jack Sparrow and and we still don't actually know.
I don't hate it but feel that it needlessly overcomplicates origins of the flintlock and movie could've worked just as easily without it
I wouldn't call it overcomplicated. Just more storied. And I like that. But yeah, the film could have worked without it just fine.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 08:55:39 AMHow so?
It's a much better story than the graphic novel.
What story is better? For time being it's Naru's gun, not Greyback's. Oh and sing with date on it made me always think it was property of someone important. Not some low life trapper.
Prey's story, and it was the property of someone important, just turns out it's actually Naru, not the name on the pistol.
That feels very true to real life to me honestly.
Especially the part where people make assumptions about it being the story of a man.
That's not my point. In XVIII'th century, to have pistol with date and your name on it you had to be someone important. Nor Prey's Raphael Adolini nor Naru are important enough.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 02:34:12 PMEspecially the part where people make assumptions about it being the story of a man.
And what assumptions were we supposed to make when we saw a close-up of "Raphael Adolini" engraved on it ?
He might have been important to someone somewhere, but not to the story itself, and as for the swashbuckling man or indigenous woman thing- I mean I think that's genuinely where some of the upset comes from upturning certain expectations.
I'm torn on the pistol thing tbh.
I know I'm probably in the minority here, but whenever I watched Predator 2 growing up, I always focused more on the implications of the "1715" part of the gun, rather than the name, which I feel like was mainly put there cause just having a year on a old ass gun would feel strange. So I never put much thought into who Raphael was anyway, personally. Might as well have been some rando that Greyback picked off from the 1700s, in my mind.
I can definitely understand the desire to have some significance behind the name. Might as well since it's there and a big part of the Predator world, right? No qualms with that at all. For me, personally, it's not 100% required (again, I know I'm probably in the minority here). I would get the vibe of making Raphael some big important figure in the films coming across as like a big character reveal in an MCU movie or something. It seems more grounded that the gun be passed around and not necessarily come from the name on the gun.
Predators don't strike me as individuals that would understand and/or care about the significance of a name on an object. They care more about the where/how they got the trophy, and realistically the gun could have come from anyone, regardless of the name on it (ie, Naru pulling it from someone else).
(hope this all makes sense lol)
I agree, it does feel much more grounded, and true to the Predator films.
I also always put more significance on the date than the name.
Honestly I've never been a big fan of the comic. Beautiful art but the story always felt a bit silly.
That reminds me had a nightmare about getting caught in the net from Prey last night.
:o
That must've been quite an awakening
It was not very fun lol
Quote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 02:10:19 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 08:55:39 AMHow so?
It's a much better story than the graphic novel.
What story is better? For time being it's Naru's gun, not Greyback's. Oh and sing with date on it made me always think it was property of someone important. Not some low life trapper.
To be fair, no matter the fame, pirates are low life criminal scum who steal and kill. Comic Raphael was just a level above the average in morality and skill, but a criminal none the less.
Quote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 02:40:07 PMIn XVIII'th century, to have pistol with date and your name on it you had to be someone important. Nor Prey's Raphael Adolini nor Naru are important enough.
Big assumption to say Andolini wasn't important somewhere or somewhen before we meet him.
That's another thing too.
I feel like it wasn't uncommon for someone to be of wealth/importance in their home country, and then get kinda lowered down/equalized, status-wise, when they came to the NA frontier.
That's kind of the vibe I got with Prey's Adolini.
I'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
Being worldly means being rich, being rich rarely means good.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 06, 2022, 06:46:22 PMBeing worldly means being rich, being rich rarely means good.
Based
This especially applies to back in those days
Quote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Yes and the sides we get, that contrast, make him have much more dimension than just a one note good guy or bad guy. It just in the end turns out to be not his story.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Let's not also forget that he not only gave her his gun but also taught her how to use it. That's a huge jump of fate and trust he had on her when she could have easily used it against him. Not something simple scum and villainy would allow to be.
I will say though it sucks that he didn't survive, could have been adopted into the tribe as they are known to do if they are worthy enough, been a useful new friend and ally to face Greyback in the new film if it ever comes to be. Thinking about it more, it adds more to the story as it becomes sort of The Red Violin route that the pistol will change hands throughout history with each owner going through different points in this life that the pistol will "witness on".
Quote from: Bobby Buttnugget on Aug 21, 2022, 02:32:40 PMQuote from: BIOROBOT on Aug 07, 2022, 05:29:11 PMWell luckily the original movie still exists for people who don't like Prey to still enjoy. I could tear apart predator and predator 2 for their fallacies all day but I understand that no movie is perfect, especially in the sphere of public opinion. It is pointless to tear this movie apart for things that literally every other predator movie is guilty of.
This movie took fallacies past their limit. Didn't Naru break off the Preds mandible with a simple flick of the wrist? A herb that brings body temperature down to outside temp without any mental impact? The pred has a small shield and no one is smart enough to shoot legs/lower torso? Naru's instant mastery of an implausible weapon she just created? All these are real convenient to force the story along.
Prey takes an interesting fantasy concept and pushes it to Marvel level of silliness. Instead of having a few fallacies like the other films, Prey has them in literally every scene starting in the second act. Everything was forced (lame pistol tie in). I guess that is par for course with Disney though.
Disney didn't make this film.
Something conveniently overlooked I have noticed, when it does not suit their own agenda.
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Also, breaking a mandible should be easy as breaking a finger, not alot of muscle there and it's a very thin part of the face compared to the rest of the body. Not to mention let's forget about the fact Naru smashed that same mandible with the mace end of the spear, so it just made it that much easier to break off.
... do you have any idea how hard it would be to tear off a finger?
Manageable? Yes. As effortless as shown? Christ, no.
The pistol in P2 was just about " we've been around here" just like that cabinet was to show they travel around the galaxy. I don't think many people would have thought the dude was some epic pirate predator killer.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 06, 2022, 08:45:36 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Let's not also forget that he not only gave her his gun but also taught her how to use it. That's a huge jump of fate and trust he had on her when she could have easily used it against him. Not something simple scum and villainy would allow to be.
I will say though it sucks that he didn't survive, could have been adopted into the tribe as they are known to do if they are worthy enough, been a useful new friend and ally to face Greyback in the new film if it ever comes to be. Thinking about it more, it adds more to the story as it becomes sort of The Red Violin route that the pistol will change hands throughout history with each owner going through different points in this life that the pistol will "witness on".
I wouldn't bother, Master seems convinced that him being filthy and low status within the trapper group makes him villainous scum.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2022, 09:49:05 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 06, 2022, 08:45:36 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Let's not also forget that he not only gave her his gun but also taught her how to use it. That's a huge jump of fate and trust he had on her when she could have easily used it against him. Not something simple scum and villainy would allow to be.
I will say though it sucks that he didn't survive, could have been adopted into the tribe as they are known to do if they are worthy enough, been a useful new friend and ally to face Greyback in the new film if it ever comes to be. Thinking about it more, it adds more to the story as it becomes sort of The Red Violin route that the pistol will change hands throughout history with each owner going through different points in this life that the pistol will "witness on".
I wouldn't bother, Master seems convinced that him being filthy and low status within the trapper group makes him villainous scum.
Which is weird, seeing that piracy is a pure criminal acts of actual villainous scum, where Trapping/Hunting is considered a profession that has some grey elements here and there.
If anything, Raphael here represented the historical trappers who originally tried diplomacy and alliances in the fur trade, fur for iron tools/weapons and guns.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2022, 09:49:05 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 06, 2022, 08:45:36 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Let's not also forget that he not only gave her his gun but also taught her how to use it. That's a huge jump of fate and trust he had on her when she could have easily used it against him. Not something simple scum and villainy would allow to be.
I will say though it sucks that he didn't survive, could have been adopted into the tribe as they are known to do if they are worthy enough, been a useful new friend and ally to face Greyback in the new film if it ever comes to be. Thinking about it more, it adds more to the story as it becomes sort of The Red Violin route that the pistol will change hands throughout history with each owner going through different points in this life that the pistol will "witness on".
I wouldn't bother, Master seems convinced that him being filthy and low status within the trapper group makes him villainous scum.
Nah Mate, I just think it could have been so much better. I dig this character,just would like it better when he wasn't Raphael Adolini.
Dudes that kill whole herds of bison for fur are villainous scum in my book.
Quote from: Master on Sep 08, 2022, 04:43:05 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 08, 2022, 09:49:05 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 06, 2022, 08:45:36 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2022, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:32:12 PMI'd understand if he was big boss of the trapers (that would also make sense he is well versed and knows many languages), but simple scum and villainity reeks from this guy a mile away.
He wasn't especially villainous though. In fact he's the only one who shows any sympathy towards Naru.
And there could be any number of reasons a fairly wealthy guy ended up as the trappers' translator. Maybe he got into personal troubles at home and had to leave to avoid social disgrace, and going to the new world was a good way to do it. That's definitely something that flies with me for the time period.
Let's not also forget that he not only gave her his gun but also taught her how to use it. That's a huge jump of fate and trust he had on her when she could have easily used it against him. Not something simple scum and villainy would allow to be.
I will say though it sucks that he didn't survive, could have been adopted into the tribe as they are known to do if they are worthy enough, been a useful new friend and ally to face Greyback in the new film if it ever comes to be. Thinking about it more, it adds more to the story as it becomes sort of The Red Violin route that the pistol will change hands throughout history with each owner going through different points in this life that the pistol will "witness on".
I wouldn't bother, Master seems convinced that him being filthy and low status within the trapper group makes him villainous scum.
Nah Mate, I just think it could have been so much better. I dig this character,just would like it better when he wasn't Raphael Adolini.
Dudes that kill whole herds of bison for fur are villainous scum in my book.
Honestly, I do agree with you that it just sucks that Raphael was demoted to such a short footnote in Predator lore. Could have played a bigger role or something. Still think it's a shame that the character was wasted potential.
That makes it better.
While I don't care about the comic, that Dan didn't even know it existed kind of speaks to a lack of research on his part which creeps into other areas of the movie for me.
I don't have any issue with the director not researching or considering obscure EU comics in making their film.
He seems to have studied the films, especially the original. That's good enough for me.
I don't even get that impression was the point. The comic is neither here nor there.
I do get that impression also, on a deeper level of understanding than even the superficial things that make Predator what it is that you see in anything else since the first two films.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 08, 2022, 02:54:59 AM... do you have any idea how hard it would be to tear off a finger?
Manageable? Yes. As effortless as shown? Christ, no.
She smacked him in the face with the mace end of the spear, it makes tearing it off that much easier.
Something a lot of people missed, Feral didn't "forget" his shield when the spear was coming for him, his shield was stuck on the rocks and he had to deattach it from his left gauntlet after Naru ripped one of his mandibles off (which btw, was the exact mandible she hit earlier with the detracted spear-mace)
Ripping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
Quote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:13:37 AMRipping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
Why is it dumb?
Quote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:13:37 AMRipping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
True, it's not like we got a scene showing it getting hit or something to make sense on why it was so easy to rip out
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Because he says so... despite the fact that others have pointed out the bone being probably broken before by the end of his mace or spear smacking him in that side of the face.
And it's not like right before it happens, we can see a visible injury on that specific mandible
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Also here is the shield stuck btw the rocks, so no Feral didn't "forget" he had a shield, almost every complaint from the final fight can be explained by simply paying attention
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I don't know why but "[Naru grunts]" is making me laugh. :laugh:
The Star+ subtitles like describing lots of sound effects haha
Also, I'll debunk another final fight nitpick, the arm loss, y'all love saying Feral is just dumb, or forgot how his shield worked and accidentally cut his arm off, that's not what happened.
Naru made him pull up his shield and then directed it at his arm as it was closing, cutting it off.
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I totally bought her tearing the mandible off without any further explanation or reason needed tbh
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:08:16 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:13:37 AMRipping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
True, it's not like we got a scene showing it getting hit or something to make sense on why it was so easy to rip out
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Man, a lot of things happened in that last fight. But thank you so much! I was wondering how she ripped that mandible, that was my biggest problem with that fight. This makes sense, I can buy that. I love how they thought of all of those details.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 12, 2022, 04:22:02 PMI totally bought her tearing the mandible off without any further explanation or reason needed tbh
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Same here! I just thought it was a cool thing that hadn't been done before in a final Predator fight.
The main problem is more general than that. Feral could've f**k her up whenever he wanted to in that fight, and weirdly didn't. Jungle hunter choose to toy with Dutch, Feral didn't.
Besides that the fight is very entertaining though.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:08:16 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:13:37 AMRipping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
True, it's not like we got a scene showing it getting hit or something to make sense on why it was so easy to rip out
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Dude I'm a doctor. I cut tissue, saw tissue on daily basis. Trust me I know what I'm talking about. Even if it's broken (the bone) I would be almost impossible to just tear it off. Not by a human, not with bare hands. Predatory animal have those bigass jaws and claws for a reason. Bones, skin and muscle are tough material. It's not farfetched conclusion that those of Predator are even stronger.
Movie's gotta movie
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 12, 2022, 06:56:20 PMMovie's gotta movie
Yeah, but this is Last Acton Heroe or Kill Bill style violence, not Predator.
It just something that doesn't bother me despite not being entirely realistic
Arnie pins a guy to a post by throwing a knife through his chest in Predator, let's not pull the "is physically impossibly!" card.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 12, 2022, 07:13:01 PMArnie pins a guy to a post by throwing a knife through his chest in Predator, let's not pull the "is physically impossibly!" card.
There is a difference between over the top and stupid. Most of the stupid scenes are still in Predators, but Prey also has few.
Didn't bother me in the slightest.
Quote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:54:21 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:08:16 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 06:13:37 AMRipping a mandible with bare hand was so dumb. Probably dumbest scene of whole film and that final fight had some of those.
True, it's not like we got a scene showing it getting hit or something to make sense on why it was so easy to rip out
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Dude I'm a doctor. I cut tissue, saw tissue on daily basis. Trust me I know what I'm talking about. Even if it's broken (the bone) I would be almost impossible to just tear it off. Not by a human, not with bare hands. Predatory animal have those bigass jaws and claws for a reason. Bones, skin and muscle are tough material. It's not farfetched conclusion that those of Predator are even stronger.
Ain't no way you will complain about this when we see Predators literally ripping spines off with the intact skull attached to their head in almost every movie in this franchise
Predator is much stronger then any man.
If you are a doctor you also know that a mandible, like our own one, will not actually be attached by bone to the skull or even cartilage, especially with the articulation the Predators show it is obvious they are segmented into several pieces.
It is probably more comparable to tearing a finger apart, that already suffered pretty severe damage, or the claw of a crab if we are going crustacean instead of mammalian in terms of biology.
Totally doable.
Quote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 08:03:17 PMPredator is much stronger then any man.
And? A spine wouldn't come clean off someone's back, much less with just the skull with nothing attached to it
Predator is alien creature and what it represents is impossible. I don't have problem with it, otherwise I wouldn't like those films. Also how it is presented doesn't bother me (cuting out and ripping spine for the DEAD body by superhuman strenght). The other way around it looks stupid.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 08:05:25 PMIf you are a doctor you also know that a mandible, like our own one, will not actually be attached by bone to the skull or even cartilage, especially with the articulation the Predators show it is obvious they are segmented into several pieces.
It is probably more comparable to tearing a finger apart, that already suffered pretty severe damage, or the claw of a crab if we are going crustacean instead of mammalian in terms of biology.
Totally doable.
Finger analogy is probably closest as Predator also do have jaw very much like our own. I can totally believe braking or dislocating would be possible. Tearing apart? Hardly.
A human being could tear off another human being's finger, especially when already damaged, you can not deny that because it's true.
Cut it off sure, bite it off yeah. I haven't ever seen finger ripped off by hand. Not saying it's entirely impossible. I'd say it's hardly possible.
I mean, I can understand if this moment pulled you out of the movie. But the Predator franchise subscribes to action movie tropes over realism 100% of the time, I think viewing these movies through a more realistic lens sets them up to just be nitpicked to death.
I think Prey takes the franchise tonally to a more naturalist realistic place than ever before.
Quote from: exorcissy72 on Sep 12, 2022, 09:13:29 PMI mean, I can understand if this moment pulled you out of the movie. But the Predator franchise subscribes to action movie tropes over realism 100% of the time, I think viewing these movies through a more realistic lens sets them up to just be nitpicked to death.
Yeah you are right. It doesn't break the movie for me (I do like Prey) but is so random, at first viewing I didn't noticed what really happened.
Talking about dumb stuff Predators has the most scenes that pull me out of experience.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 09:18:36 PMI think Prey takes the franchise tonally to a more naturalist realistic place than ever before.
Yes and no. It unnecessarily overcomplicates many scenes.
There's the same sense of heightened reality in Prey as in the first movie. The French fur trappers are the same level of over the top scenery chewing as the Jamaicans.
Which isn't necessarily bad 😉
Not at all, I think Predator needs it.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 09:18:36 PMI think Prey takes the franchise tonally to a more naturalist realistic place than ever before.
I totally agree, but it still retains the pulpy/action movie feel of the other movies. Where you have things like Naru breaking off Feral's mandible and jamming it into his head, or her running up a tree and flipping over Feral. It all feels of a piece for the franchise.
It certainly has moments, but it is far more restrained outside the Fur Trappers, which the Predator franchise needs to be tonally on par with Alien. If AVP ever has a hope of working on film.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 10:20:04 PMIt certainly has moments, but it is far more restrained outside the Fur Trappers, which the Predator franchise needs to be tonally on par with Alien. If AVP ever has a hope of working on film.
I know that this gets called a lazy way to do AvP, but I maintain it's probably the best shot at getting a decent film out of the concept. Just drop a Predator or Predators into an Alien movie, the same way as the best Predator movies are various genre pieces where a Pred shows up and derails them.
Predator doesn't need to match anything.
Besides, Aliens already created the bridge as an 80s actioner.
Anything that has tried to emulate Aliens never "gets it" Alien has a better track record. The time for correctly emulating eighties nostalgia has came and went, (And will never be better than Blood Dragon) I think general audiences are sick to the teeth with franchise fatigue , so any reinvention needs to hold up to modern sensibilities.
One thing I will say that whilst I thoroughly loved this film I want to see a film where for once the Predator actually wins.
I really don't get the appeal.
I wouldn't mind it. But so many people seem to be desperate for it (not you; in general).
Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2022, 05:15:14 AMI really don't get the appeal.
I wouldn't mind it. But so many people seem to be desperate for it (not you; in general).
The dumb and more common reason for it is that when they heard about Naru being a female protag, people wanted the Pred to get her so badly, the hate is blinding for the lead. Never seen this opinion rise so quickly until this film became in the mainstream and you see every snowflake anti-sjw reactionary start to spread this thought because "da WOKneSS Womanz"
Secondary less common but a bit more thoughtful reason is that it enforces how deadly and mostly the Predator has all the advantages over us. It's supposed to be this deadly advanced master hunter race that get's bested every time and it's presence will lessen every time it appears on screen. Kind of like how Terminators were feared antagonists for the first set of films but then it flanderized of try hard to be human T-800s and antagonistic Terminators becoming Throwminators the moment they get the lead in their metallic hands.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 13, 2022, 06:42:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2022, 05:15:14 AMI really don't get the appeal.
I wouldn't mind it. But so many people seem to be desperate for it (not you; in general).
The dumb and more common reason for it is that when they heard about Naru being a female protag, people wanted the Pred to get her so badly, the hate is blinding for the lead. Never seen this opinion rise so quickly until this film became in the mainstream and you see every snowflake anti-sjw reactionary start to spread this thought because "da WOKneSS Womanz"
Secondary less common but a bit more thoughtful reason is that it enforces how deadly and mostly the Predator has all the advantages over us. It's supposed to be this deadly advanced master hunter race that get's bested every time and it's presence will lessen every time it appears on screen. Kind of like how Terminators were feared antagonists for the first set of films but then it flanderized of try hard to be human T-800s and antagonistic Terminators becoming Throwminators the moment they get the lead in their metallic hands.
Definitely the first reasoning was not my own.
Mine was more around the second reason you mentioned. How many times can the Predators keep losing out to humans? Does this make Earth a more desirable hunting ground though as they provide the hunters with a greater, more formidable opponent?
I'm sure they could do it in a very creative way too and I get it that rarely does the protagonist not prevail in this genre.
Predators win all movie and lose only at The end. I just don't understand the idea that them barely losing at the end shows them as less of a threat when they single-handedly slaughter dozens of people there rest of the runtime.
It's not like they get taken out like chumps en masse. It's an effort.
If the Concrete Jungle comic got made as a movie, I'd understand the problem.
Simple enough answer. All the times a Pred shows up, murders everything and leaves, there were no survivors to "tell the story" and we don't see those encounters.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2022, 07:49:25 AMPredators win all movie and lose only at The end. I just don't understand the idea that them barely losing at the end shows them as less of a threat when they single-handedly slaughter dozens of people there rest of the runtime.
It's not like they get taken out like chumps en masse. It's an effort.
If the Concrete Jungle comic got made as a movie, I'd understand the problem.
Not less of a threat but rather the fact is in each film they've ultimately failed to take down their main target. I'd like to see how a film could effectively explore a Predator ending victorious. That said what is a victory for the Predators?
I still don't see what the actual problem is.
Like, I imagine Anytime killing Dutch would look rather similar to him killing anyone else, Y'know?
I'ma raging Alien fanboy but the idea of one winning a film is honestly kind of off putting.
The problem with letting the Predator win is that they're basically assholes. They're hunting and killing us for sport, not survival. Even the Aliens are more sympathetic.
Unless you're going to write a non-asshole Predator, who finds itself stranded on Earth without its technology and without any desire to make trophies of men, I don't see the point of turning one into a protagonist.
Royce sacrificing himself for Isabelle to escape on the ship in Predators could've let everyone have their cake and eat it - Mr Black lives, Royce gets his redemption arc, but it's not a total downer ending.
Outside of something like that I don't see it turning into anything other than a hamfisted "f**k you" horror ending.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2022, 02:45:06 AMUnless you're going to write a non-asshole Predator, who finds itself stranded on Earth without its technology...
... reminds me of a movie 🤔
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Fugitive was probably the closest I can think of to what I described. Even Scar was just another asshole because there would be no Aliens to hunt without some unfortunate humans to breed them in.
Maybe Wolf? I'm not the most knowledgeable about this franchise.
Wolf was an asshole who went out of his way on his special mission to kill people horribly.
Fugitive is the closest, and he was also a dick.
Maybe if you set it in WW2 and the Predator is hunting Nazis? Bonus points if it makes friends with a plucky Allied soldier.
I feel like this would be a great topic in itself that can warrant it's own thread. I'm a see if I can put it up somewhere.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2022, 02:49:34 AMRoyce sacrificing himself for Isabelle to escape on the ship in Predators could've let everyone have their cake and eat it - Mr Black lives, Royce gets his redemption arc, but it's not a total downer ending.
Outside of something like that I don't see it turning into anything other than a hamfisted "f**k you" horror ending.
This is more what I was thinking of - the whole sacrificing one self to save the others scenario. Pred still `wins' but hero saves the day despite losing his own life.
Kill me, kill me, I'm here ! Come on !
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:21:17 PMThe Star+ subtitles like describing lots of sound effects haha
Also, I'll debunk another final fight nitpick, the arm loss, y'all love saying Feral is just dumb, or forgot how his shield worked and accidentally cut his arm off, that's not what happened.
Naru made him pull up his shield and then directed it at his arm as it was closing, cutting it off.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999743833388613682/1018918613203308554/unknown.png?width=530&height=676
How is a girl overpowering a pred? That's the issue. She overpowers him several times in this fight. Even win an injured arm I don't think she is that strong and the pred that dumb not to compensate.
I think SiL's idea above is the closest to something satisfying. As much as I really desire a WW1 or WW2 film, I would loathe seeing yet another team-up. I don't want the Predator's to be the good guys. I want them to be the bad guys.
I genuinely believe the best place to see the desire for the Predator to be victorious is in something like shorts - whether animated or live action - but something less main stream where they can toy with the narratives more freely.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 14, 2022, 02:00:29 AMI still don't see what the actual problem is.
Like, I imagine Anytime killing Dutch would look rather similar to him killing anyone else, Y'know?
I'ma raging Alien fanboy but the idea of one winning a film is honestly kind of off putting.
I think Alien is inherently edgy enough that you could do a "final girl gets an Isolation killed" right at the last minute and pull it off if it was done right, but in the Predator stuff you'd have to make him a convincing anti-hero (no, AvP 2004 does not do this) and have the sympathetic human also make it out of the conflict to get away with it. It can be done in either case but you really need to earn the Mean ending with Alien and dodge it entirely without being cringe for Predator.
I think Alien Isolation does it well funnily enough actually, the Alien wins for all intents and purposes, the Torrens got boarded by who knows how many of them and Amanda ended the journey floating in the debris of Sevastapol, pretty luckily found by a searchlight.
Yeah but the ending in question is obviously an on screen win for the monster, not just implied. The jumping off point was Predadur Winz
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2022, 05:46:01 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:21:17 PMThe Star+ subtitles like describing lots of sound effects haha
Also, I'll debunk another final fight nitpick, the arm loss, y'all love saying Feral is just dumb, or forgot how his shield worked and accidentally cut his arm off, that's not what happened.
Naru made him pull up his shield and then directed it at his arm as it was closing, cutting it off.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999743833388613682/1018918613203308554/unknown.png?width=530&height=676
How is a girl overpowering a pred? That's the issue. She overpowers him several times in this fight. Even win an injured arm I don't think she is that strong and the pred that dumb not to compensate.
She doesn't overpower it, she gets the drop on it, sets traps and manages to wound Feral.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 14, 2022, 12:39:11 PMI think Alien is inherently edgy enough that you could do a "final girl gets an Isolation killed" right at the last minute and pull it off if it was done right,
Nah, even David was too much for me. The Alien films aren't about everyone being miserable and then dying/losing any more than Predator movies are. Final girl getting an isolation kill is exactly the kind of empty, "f**k you" ending I'd dread.
I can almost guarantee that will be Fede Alvarez's contribution to Alien. Just ugh.
And I'm just here loving that. But it's not so much about the Alien winning, so much as Alien just seems on the whole a more bleaker and "realistic" world (Aliens aside, and I suppose Resurrection's ending). But that's a discussion for another thread, I think, if someone wants to start that to continue.
I am all for that idea when it is given a counterbalance. Alien³ for example repeatedly puts Ripley through the meat grinder. But they win in the end, they never give up and just let the monster win. Because it champions hope and redemption even in the dreadful world we live in.
That story really resonates with me, so does Naru's and Prey's story. I do not want empty misery porn which I fear Fede Alvarez will create.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 14, 2022, 05:46:01 AMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 12, 2022, 04:21:17 PMThe Star+ subtitles like describing lots of sound effects haha
Also, I'll debunk another final fight nitpick, the arm loss, y'all love saying Feral is just dumb, or forgot how his shield worked and accidentally cut his arm off, that's not what happened.
Naru made him pull up his shield and then directed it at his arm as it was closing, cutting it off.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999743833388613682/1018918613203308554/unknown.png?width=530&height=676
How is a girl overpowering a pred? That's the issue. She overpowers him several times in this fight. Even win an injured arm I don't think she is that strong and the pred that dumb not to compensate.
She never once overpowers him, she either uses his own force/weight against him or gets the drop on him.
Didn't like Predator design.
As an American native film kinda Disney cute. Scenery was beautiful that was the star. Also .. the cgi with Predator red glow thing, cheap as chips cgi.
Least favourite Predator related film.
Top three?
Arnie
AVP
Predator 2
Then
Predators ( underrated)
AVP requiem ( first 20 minutes good)
The Predator ( couple of good scenes)
The Prey ( again stunning scenery) let down with terrible Predator design skinny dude in costume.. horrendous face mask design.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 06, 2022, 10:36:17 PMQuote from: Rush Hour Rambo on Aug 06, 2022, 10:08:48 PMIt was what I expected, a female right of passge movie in a male dominated society with evil white men and a predator thrown in. Thats the times we live in.
Not bad but not good. It entertained me well enough though. I thought the cgi wasn't great.
It wasn't a female right of passage, just a human right of passage. Replace Naru with a young male and you can have the exact same movie. It's not that she's a woman that have people in her tribe telling her she can't hunt.
You've reminded me why I hardly bother with this site. Literally your own opinion, which everyone is welcome to have, Is never right.
It was one to me, seeing as she was actually female.
Quote from: Rush Hour Rambo on Feb 14, 2023, 03:28:54 AMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 06, 2022, 10:36:17 PMQuote from: Rush Hour Rambo on Aug 06, 2022, 10:08:48 PMIt was what I expected, a female right of passge movie in a male dominated society with evil white men and a predator thrown in. Thats the times we live in.
Not bad but not good. It entertained me well enough though. I thought the cgi wasn't great.
It wasn't a female right of passage, just a human right of passage. Replace Naru with a young male and you can have the exact same movie. It's not that she's a woman that have people in her tribe telling her she can't hunt.
You've reminded me why I hardly bother with this site. Literally your own opinion, which everyone is welcome to have, Is never right.
It was one to me, seeing as she was actually female.
His opinion is literally factual
I wasn't buying hulu just to watch this one f**kin movie, so I had to wait for it on Bluray. Better than I thought it would be, even though the idea had been done fairly similarly in a DH comic from what I can remember. Still decent. Much better than any pred movies since 2. I only disliked the feral pred design because (I suppose it could be intentional) it looks like the crazy preds from Predators, which look like the OG Preds on meth. AKA dogshit.
Watches this with my Mum the other night, really enjoyed it and thinks Amber Midthunder could be Predator's Sigourney Weaver equivalent, thought the little girl looking at Naru at the end's a very cute moment.