I thought it was about time we start this thread. Not much so far but here's what we've got -
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 08:56:41 PM
Yes, well it's not much but my contact told me that the press was very excited about what they saw!
Very good reactions about Alien:Covenant .
A great movie ... top 3 (behind the first two alien)
This isn't just a remake of Alien or Prometheus, but we find the viscerality of the original Alien, it's very violent, gore, stressful! And it's a good continuation of the plot of Prometheus.
I don't want to be spoiler, so I don't know more!
But it's very likely that Covenant will be a major critical and public success.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53507.msg2203453#msg2203453
QuoteJust saw Alien: Covenant and the circle these were my reactions Alien: Covenant 🙂
The Circle 😱😱😱😱 #aliencovenant #thecircle
https://twitter.com/TEAM_IRON_MAN/status/858068274239729664
I have a good feeling about this. ;D
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 28, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
I have a good feeling about this. ;D
Same here ;D ;D
He only gave Covenant 1 smiley???? Get the rope!!!!
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 29, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
He only gave Covenant 1 smiley???? Get the rope!!!!
I'll take one smiley.
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 29, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
He only gave Covenant 1 smiley???? Get the rope!!!!
That's still good. Relax. :)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 29, 2017, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 29, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
He only gave Covenant 1 smiley???? Get the rope!!!!
That's still good. Relax. :)
Oh I meant it as a joke lol
I think, maybe, that his reaction to The Circle isn't exactly a positive one, because, well - https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_circle_2017/
The Circle sounds like something that might have been relevant 20 years ago.
Super excited. Finally got my tickets sorted for a 20:20 showing at Vue cinema Lakeside. Anyone else watching there ?
Nice that all we are hearing is good at the moment. I really want to leave that cinema feeling fulfilled and not like i did after watching Prometheus, indifferent.
Who is the guy who has tweeted about seeing it, I wonder how?
Should see a lot of feedback after the premiere on Thursday anyway. Does anyone know if it's actually being released in 3D? I want to see it in imax but not 3D and it doesn't say if it is or not when booking. No mention of 3D on the posters so I'm guessing not.
Quote from: Vid on Apr 30, 2017, 09:30:26 AM
Who is the guy who has tweeted about seeing it, I wonder how?
Should see a lot of feedback after the premiere on Thursday anyway. Does anyone know if it's actually being released in 3D? I want to see it in imax but not 3D and it doesn't say if it is or not when booking. No mention of 3D on the posters so I'm guessing not.
Everywhere I see it booked for IMAX is 2d only.
Will all the responses from early showings including the London premiere on the 5th, onward, go here?
Quote from: Vid on Apr 30, 2017, 09:30:26 AM
Who is the guy who has tweeted about seeing it, I wonder how?
Should see a lot of feedback after the premiere on Thursday anyway. Does anyone know if it's actually being released in 3D? I want to see it in imax but not 3D and it doesn't say if it is or not when booking. No mention of 3D on the posters so I'm guessing not.
It's hit or miss regarding IMAX showings sadly, in the US anyway. I have 4 IMAX theaters around me (one real IMAX the other 3 are mini IMAX's) and only one of the mini IMAXs are showing it (in 2D), the other 3 will still be showing Guardians of the Galaxy all the way thru till Pirates releases.
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 01, 2017, 01:10:52 AM
Will all the responses from early showings including the London premiere on the 5th, onward, go here?
Hopefully people will use this thread for that. I'll merge all responses here too and post my own brief thoughts.
Alien: Covenant more sci fi thriller than scares. Bloody, good action. Fills gaps in series. Business projects similar to Prometheus ($126M)
https://twitter.com/ShawJshaw11045/status/859514132223209472
QuoteWatched #AlienCovenant tonight. Can't say anything about it but tomorrow I'll get the chance to meet the cast! #yaaaaay Any questions?
https://twitter.com/mirko_okrim/status/859516468370788353 (https://twitter.com/mirko_okrim/status/859516468370788353)
So it begins... ;D
Now... WhereDaFuk is HuDaFuk? We need a debriefing. :P
;D ;D
How did these guys watch it? I thought the premiere was Thursday.
There's a press screening in London tonight. One of our members is attending.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 02, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
There's a press screening in London tonight. One of our members is attending.
Oh wonderful. Which member?
HuDaFuk
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
all signs point to awesome. God dammit I can't wait any more
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
;D
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
Without knowing if he/she is a he/she?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 02, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Now... WhereDaFuk is HuDaFuk? We need a debriefing. :P
:D :laugh:
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
He's a dude.
Though his real first name is quite a common female name as well.
I assume they liked it if they're excited to meet the cast. Can't imagine being excited to meet the cast of a film I didn't enjoy!
Quote from: Stolen on May 02, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Alien: Covenant more sci fi thriller than scares. Bloody, good action. Fills gaps in series. Business projects similar to Prometheus ($126M)
https://twitter.com/ShawJshaw11045/status/859514132223209472
It sounds like Aliens, then. Not surprised. Sign me up!
Quote from: salomonj on May 02, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
Without knowing if he/she is a he/she?
Call me Frosty ok
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 02, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
He's a dude.
Though his real first name is quite a common female name as well.
Well, Ash's name in the first Evil Dead was Ashley, haha.
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 02, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 02, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Alien: Covenant more sci fi thriller than scares. Bloody, good action. Fills gaps in series. Business projects similar to Prometheus ($126M)
https://twitter.com/ShawJshaw11045/status/859514132223209472
It sounds like Aliens, then. Not surprised. Sign me up!
Yup. As much as I love the first one, I thought "Aliens" was so much fun.
Wasn't Corporal Hicks supposed to be going to a premiere today of AC?
I'm dying. Need news!
Hicks is seeing the film thursday at the premiere
I thought Hudafuk was seeing it tonight. But I can't remember when he'd have a chance to post his thoughts.
@Hudafuk
Could we have something - even an emoji would surfice.............
He wont be able to say much when he does get on, I'm afraid.
Luis Nostromo, a pretty prolific Alien Instagrammer also went yesterday. He enjoyed it.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/18252494_700511433486307_1035657593072123904_n.jpg)
Quote from: salomonj on May 02, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
Without knowing if he/she is a he/she?
It don't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
Oh boy the hype is beginning to boil. ;D
Sounds like there's another showing in London tonight.
https://twitter.com/GunnarRehlin/status/859697537195835392
QuoteOn my way to London. Tonight Alien:Covenant, tomorrow meeting Ridley Scott and some of his actors.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 09:17:12 AM
Sounds like there's another showing in London tonight.
https://twitter.com/GunnarRehlin/status/859697537195835392
QuoteOn my way to London. Tonight Alien:Covenant, tomorrow meeting Ridley Scott and some of his actors.
Thats just f**kin amazing, meeting Ridley and the actors and seeing Covenant.
And i was thinking im a grown up. ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 07:32:20 AM
He wont be able to say much when he does get on, I'm afraid.
Luis Nostromo, a pretty prolific Alien Instagrammer also went yesterday. He enjoyed it.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/18252494_700511433486307_1035657593072123904_n.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTm1AUtDJ6t/
Thats awesome to see! If both the alien fanbase and general audiences are leaving impressed, then I can see those early box office predictions getting curb stomped and blown out by the end of the first week.
Quote from: markweatherill on May 03, 2017, 07:47:20 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 02, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 02, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight?! :o
I hope he'll be able to share some things about it.
She is a he? I always thought he was a girl, ive send him probably a dozen of private flirt messages.
Without knowing if he/she is a he/she?
It don't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
LOLLL
"Rumor control. These are the facts. At 0800 hours, prisoner Infected, through carelessness on his part, seems to have assumed prisoner HuDaFuk is a woman! We need to organize a search party for both. Volunteers would be appreciated!"
Someone emailing the Perfect Organism fellas -
QuoteSome of the first screenings of Alien: Covenant have happened and fans are speaking about it.
One fan said, (paraphrasing)
'having been disappointed a bit by Prometheus, I can say that Alien Covenant is great. Everyone loved it.'
https://www.facebook.com/perfectorganism/photos/a.785992174815191.1073741828.785612044853204/1338542229560180/?type=3
That's heartening!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 02:02:52 PM
Someone emailing the Perfect Organism fellas -
QuoteSome of the first screenings of Alien: Covenant have happened and fans are speaking about it.
One fan said, (paraphrasing)
'having been disappointed a bit by Prometheus, I can say that Alien Covenant is great. Everyone loved it.'
https://www.facebook.com/perfectorganism/photos/a.785992174815191.1073741828.785612044853204/1338542229560180/?type=3
Just what the doctor ordered.
Thanks Corporal!
Keep it coming.
It's so close we can almost taste it... :)
great reactions so far, trying not to get to hyped up but not sure if its working. :laugh:
I think we should keep expectations in check, even if early reviews are good. It's likely to receive positive reviews just for being more Alien'ish than Prometheus. I'll be interested to hear Hicks' initial thoughts on it...
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 03, 2017, 02:28:28 PM
I think we should keep expectations in check, even if early reviews are good. It's likely to receive positive reviews just for being more Alien'ish than Prometheus. I'll be interested to hear Hicks' initial thoughts on it...
It doesn't matter, alot of people on here have convinced themselves they aren't going to like it before seeing it
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 03, 2017, 02:28:28 PM
I think we should keep expectations in check, even if early reviews are good. It's likely to receive positive reviews just for being more Alien'ish than Prometheus. I'll be interested to hear Hicks' initial thoughts on it...
Yeah, I am very interested to hear what Huda and Hicks think
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 03, 2017, 02:28:28 PM
I think we should keep expectations in check, even if early reviews are good. It's likely to receive positive reviews just for being more Alien'ish than Prometheus. I'll be interested to hear Hicks' initial thoughts on it...
Agreed, it all sounds a bit knee here so far. Reviews from people that didn't like Prometheus. It is good to hear people are enjoying it.
Well I can't remember Prometheus's run up that well but the fact that Fox has been willing to spend so much on advertising (especially after the mixed feelings about Prometheus) along with their enthusiastic involvement of the unofficial hardcore fan base (inviting people to pre-screenings and such) does indicate that they have some confidence in the film.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 03, 2017, 02:34:23 PM
Yeah, I am very interested to hear what Huda and Hicks think
Yeah, their opinions will carry a lot of weight since they know a thing or two about the franchise and it's films.
So when can we expect those reviews from them?
Quote from: Enoch on May 03, 2017, 03:15:30 PM
So when can we expect those reviews from them?
Embargo lifts this Saturday!
HuDa is still in the middle of his interviews so whenever he's all done and settled. I am not seeing the film until tomorrow.
Full reviews will be up Saturday evening (early Sunday morning for me and HuDa).
Okay thanks Corp. I thought he was staying away cause he knows we would grill him on what he thinks of it. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
I am not seeing the film until tomorrow.
Will you be doing live updates of what's going down at the premiere on twitter or anything like that?
If there's anything interesting. I don't know what exactly I'm going to get to see before hand.
Just record yourself sitting in your seat for an hour.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
HuDa is still in the middle of his interviews so whenever he's all done and settled. I am not seeing the film until tomorrow.
Full reviews will be up Saturday evening (early Sunday morning for me and HuDa).
You can tell us wether you liked it or not before then right? Just a smiley face will suffice... :) or :(
I'm seeing it tomorrow so I'll tell you my thoughts :)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 03, 2017, 03:37:26 PM
Just record yourself sitting in your seat for an hour.
What is heavy??
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 03, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
HuDa is still in the middle of his interviews so whenever he's all done and settled. I am not seeing the film until tomorrow.
Full reviews will be up Saturday evening (early Sunday morning for me and HuDa).
You can tell us wether you liked it or not before then right? Just a smiley face will suffice... :) or :(
this should be a option as well: ;D
Quote from: M_Tak on May 03, 2017, 03:39:51 PM
I'm seeing it tomorrow so I'll tell you my thoughts :)
You're attending the premiere?
Is your avatar from the movie, Hicks. it looks bloody great! :)
Yeah, it's from the poster being used to advertise the film panel at a convention next month. :)
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 03, 2017, 02:31:49 PMIt doesn't matter, alot of people on here have convinced themselves they aren't going to like it before seeing it
True. However, to counter that; a lot of people have convinced themselves that they are going to like it, before seeing it. Best not to form a concrete opinion either way, prior to seeing the finished film for oneself, in my opinion.
On that note, I will add that opinions of advanced screenings are often unreliable in my experience. People tend to get caught up in the excitement of the event and often retract their gushing praise months down the line. That's not to say that I think
'Alien Covenant' will be a bad film or that anyone who gives it a good review at this early stage is in denial; it's simply to say that it's perhaps best to take early reactions with a small pinch of salt. Again, based upon past experience.
https://mobile.twitter.com/evgriff42/status/859843008749076482 (https://mobile.twitter.com/evgriff42/status/859843008749076482)
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 03, 2017, 06:24:00 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 03, 2017, 02:31:49 PMIt doesn't matter, alot of people on here have convinced themselves they aren't going to like it before seeing it
True. However, to counter that; a lot of people have convinced themselves that they are going to like it, before seeing it. Best not to form a concrete opinion either way, prior to seeing the finished film for oneself, in my opinion.
On that note, I will add that opinions of advanced screenings are often unreliable in my experience. People tend to get caught up in the excitement of the event and often retract their gushing praise months down the line. That's not to say that I think 'Alien Covenant' will be a bad film or that anyone who gives it a good review at this early stage is in denial; it's simply to say that it's perhaps best to take early reactions with a small pinch of salt. Again, based upon past experience.
While I agree with you here to a certain point, I also would ask whats wrong with just liking a movie? Does liking something need to be quantified with hard facts to avoid being labeled a fan boy? Does the same apply for people who don't like a movie and being labeled a hater?
My fear is that people have already made up their mind one way or the other and are just waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn't agree. I fear the next couple of weeks will be very toxic and it will all boill down to preconceived judgements and viciously attacking opposing viewpoints. Haters vs Fanboys if you will.
If Aliens is divisive to the Alien community there is no hope in hell for this film.
There will be disagreements aplenty.
Quote from: oberonqa on May 03, 2017, 07:24:23 PM
While I agree with you here to a certain point, I also would ask whats wrong with just liking a movie? Does liking something need to be quantified with hard facts to avoid being labeled a fan boy? Does the same apply for people who don't like a movie and being labeled a hater?
My fear is that people have already made up their mind one way or the other and are just waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn't agree. I fear the next couple of weeks will be very toxic and it will all boill down to preconceived judgements and viciously attacking opposing viewpoints. Haters vs Fanboys if you will.
On the subject of fanboys and haters; I vehemently dislike fanboys and I vehemently dislike "haters" (a word I'm not too keen on, in and of itself, as it's only ever used by fanboys to dismiss any and all criticism, even if it's completely valid - but I do dislike the principle of hating something as an automatic response), as they're both extremist points of view, loving or hating something not based upon a case-by-case basis of individual merits but rather because such types have a predisposition to either love or hate something in order to support their blinkered perception of a certain form of media and/or art. Such extremist reactions stem from a place of willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance.
As for your implication that I'm judging people who say that they like the film based upon their viewing of the preview screening; I never said that they were automatically being disingenuous. I simply pointed out that based upon previous experience, it's easy to become wrapped up in the excitement of an event and lose perspective to a certain degree. Therefore; some people who see the preview screenings of
'Alien Covenant' will feel that they've just witnessed a brilliant piece of cinema, which they loved and in that particular moment, feel that they will continue to love forevermore but they may later backpedal on that statement with the benefit of hindsight. Others will feel that they've just watched a brilliant film and will continue to hold that opinion because, you know what? Maybe it's just a brilliant film. Period.
I feel that you had misconstrued my thoughts and I hope that I have now clarified them for you. I'm certainly not judging anyone or bashing anyone's opinions. I merely possess a healthy amount of skepticism, given my knowledge of how the effects of hype and excitement can lead to clouding one's initial judgement of art or entertainment. I myself have experienced the very thing of which I speak; I attended a studio recording for a television programe and in that moment, of sitting there with a fellow audience and seeing something play out in front of me, full of excitement; I found the show to be of the highest caliber. I then watched the final broadcast of that show weeks later and came to the realisation that it was absolutely rubbish and that my inital opinion had been heavily coloured by the experience of the evening's excitement in general. Such is, or rather can be, the nature of getting caught up in the moment.
No judgement here, not from I. I'm merely exercising optimistic caution in relation to the initial reviews, once again; based upon past experience. It is my view that a small amount of skepticism is healthy and at the very least, may save one from bitter disappointment and maybe even leave one feeling pleasantly surprised.
Their is going to be those comparisons to alien and aliens and no matter how awesome covenant turns out it will be rated third best. .i hate that notion that alien is the best movie ever just cause it came first. .i love both those films for different reasons. .but i see absolutely no reason why they cannot be topped. .IMO prometheus almost came very close and covenant just seems like the movie that can sit comfortably next to those first 2 entries. . . When i was younger i thought aliens was better. .but now at older age i think they about equal. .based on everything i have read and seen so far. .i think covenant can easily saippass or equel those 2 old nostalgic favorites. .
Quote from: Clowndog on May 03, 2017, 07:43:28 PM
If Aliens is divisive to the Alien community there is no hope in hell for this film.
There will be disagreements aplenty.
Sad but true, I fear. Heck I'm already guilty of it, arguing with people nitpicking the 10 minutes of footage released on Alien Day (let it not be said I don't acknowledge my own contributions to the toxic atmosphere).
I can only imagine how much worse it'll be when those same people systematically nitpick every last second of the movie. The veins in my forehead are already throbbing dangerously just considering such a scenario. LOL!
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 03, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 03, 2017, 07:24:23 PM
While I agree with you here to a certain point, I also would ask whats wrong with just liking a movie? Does liking something need to be quantified with hard facts to avoid being labeled a fan boy? Does the same apply for people who don't like a movie and being labeled a hater?
My fear is that people have already made up their mind one way or the other and are just waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn't agree. I fear the next couple of weeks will be very toxic and it will all boill down to preconceived judgements and viciously attacking opposing viewpoints. Haters vs Fanboys if you will.
On the subject of fanboys and haters; I vehemently dislike fanboys and I vehemently dislike "haters" (a word I'm not too keen on, in and of itself, as it's only ever used by fanboys to dismiss any and all criticism, even if it's completely valid - but I do dislike the principle of hating something as an automatic response), as they're both extremist points of view, loving or hating something not based upon a case-by-case basis of individual merits but rather because such types have a predisposition to either love or hate something in order to support their blinkered perception of a certain form of media and/or art. Such extremist reactions stem from a place of willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance.
As for your implication that I'm judging people who say that they like the film based upon their viewing of the preview screening; I never said that they were automatically being disingenuous. I simply pointed out that based upon previous experience, it's easy to become wrapped up in the excitement of an event and lose perspective to a certain degree. Therefore; some people who see the preview screenings of 'Alien Covenant' will feel that they've just witnessed a brilliant piece of cinema, which they loved and in that particular moment, feel that they will continue to love forevermore but they may later backpedal on that statement with the benefit of hindsight. Others will feel that they've just watched a brilliant film and will continue to hold that opinion because, you know what? Maybe it's just a brilliant film. Period.
I feel that you had misconstrued my thoughts and I hope that I have now clarified them for you. I'm certainly not judging anyone or bashing anyone's opinions. I merely possess a healthy amount of skepticism, given my knowledge of how the effects that hype and excitement can lead to clouding one's initial judgement of art or entertainment. I myself have experienced the very thing of which I speak; I attended a studio recording for a television programe and in that moment, of sitting there with a fellow audience and seeing something play out in front of me, full of excitement; I found the show to be of the highest caliber. I then watched the final broadcast of that show weeks later and came to the realisation that it was absolutely rubbish and that my inital opinion had been heavily coloured by the experience of the evening's excitement in general. Such is, or rather can be, the nature of getting caught up in the moment.
No judgement here Not from I; merely optimistic caution in relation to the initial reviews, once again; based on past excitement. It is my view that a small amount of skepticism is healthy and at the very least, may save one from bitter disappointment and maybe even leave one feeling pleasantly surprised.
I didn't imply anything and was merely asking a question. There was no implication or judgement leveled against you.
Didn't read past second paragraph once I realized you felt I was attacking you.
And that is how toxic things have become. Can't even ask someone a question without that person going on the defensive, even when I prefaced the question with "I agree with you to a point."
Maybe I just need to step back and away fron this community for a couple of months.... go back to lurking and keep my thoughts, opinions, and questions to myself. With things as toxic as they are, I don't foresee constructive conversation lasting much longer as a viable option.
Someone said the embargo is lifted this Friday. This is normally a good sign. When a studio thinks the movie is a stinker they put an embargo on the film till the day before it's released. However, when it's open that far in advance then that means they are expecting reviews to be very good.
Quote from: oberonqa on May 03, 2017, 08:06:49 PM
I didn't imply anything and was merely asking a question. There was no implication or judgement leveled against you.
Didn't read past second paragraph once I realized you felt I was attacking you.
I felt there was an implication but I didn't for one second feel that you were "attacking" me. I tried to answer your question as best I could. May I suggest, in a friendly manner, that you read the rest of my post? There's no bitterness contained within, which you will surely realise, should you care to read on. If anything, I was largely agreeing with you.
The embargo lifts May 6th at 8:45pm PST
Quote from: Richman678 on May 03, 2017, 08:11:31 PM
Someone said the embargo is lifted this Friday. This is normally a good sign. When a studio thinks the movie is a stinker they put an embargo on the film till the day before it's released. However, when it's open that far in advance then that means they are expecting reviews to be very good.
That is indeed a good sign.
Quote from: Richman678 on May 03, 2017, 08:11:31 PM
Someone said the embargo is lifted this Friday. This is normally a good sign. When a studio thinks the movie is a stinker they put an embargo on the film till the day before it's released. However, when it's open that far in advance then that means they are expecting reviews to be very good.
After the premiere tomorrow, I heard that the people attending are allowed a one sentence opinion/their thoughts. Is that true?
I don't think this movie will be ground breaking but it will have a little bit of everything for everyone. Well, it'll have a lot of everything may be a better way to put it. It's going to have the fast pace Aliens action, the exploration of Prometheus and the claustrophobic tension of Alien spread between 3 acts. All wrapped into a larger, meaner universe.
Hence, I think that there will be wide audience appeal.
Quote from: juxtapose on May 03, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Their is going to be those comparisons to alien and aliens and no matter how awesome covenant turns out it will be rated third best. .i hate that notion that alien is the best movie ever just cause it came first. .i love both those films for different reasons. .but i see absolutely no reason why they cannot be topped. .IMO prometheus almost came very close and covenant just seems like the movie that can sit comfortably next to those first 2 entries. . . When i was younger i thought aliens was better. .but now at older age i think they about equal. .based on everything i have read and seen so far. .i think covenant can easily saippass or equel those 2 old nostalgic favorites. .
One has to be realistic. I don't think it's an insult to come 2nd (or 3rd) to one of the best sci-fi/horror films of all time. Nor is it an insult to not meet the heights of one of the best sequels in popular cinema. I'll be quite happy if Alien: Covenant is not as good as Alien/Aliens, as long as it's closer to them, in terms of quality, than the others.
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 03, 2017, 08:24:39 PM
The embargo lifts May 6th at 8:45pm PST
Pardon my ignorance on the topic, but what exactly is this embargo all about?
An embargo is when you can't say anything until the studio says so.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 03, 2017, 10:56:33 PM
An embargo is when you can't say anything until the studio says so.
I see how that would apply to cast or press, but how can they stop random people that see it early from talking about it online?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 03, 2017, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 03, 2017, 10:56:33 PM
An embargo is when you can't say anything until the studio says so.
I see how that would apply to cast or press, but how can they stop random people that see it early from talking about it online?
Because if they ever want to have a relationship with the production companies again they need to not break it. This is also why the production companies are
very selective of who they choose to invite, the person needs to be invested enough and have a long enough track record of being reliable to even be considered.
I see, thanks. So even though the official premeire is tomorrow, we wont get review until Saturday, correct?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 03, 2017, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 03, 2017, 10:56:33 PM
An embargo is when you can't say anything until the studio says so.
I see how that would apply to cast or press, but how can they stop random people that see it early from talking about it online?
Only people seeing it right now are invite only and require attendees to agree to uphold the embargo. People invited are industry insiders and members of the press. Everyday people won't be seeing it until the 11th or 18th (night before official release day depending on territory) unless they happen to know someone who gets them in or are a +1 to an invitee.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 03, 2017, 11:15:28 PM
I see, thanks. So even though the official premeire is tomorrow, we wont get review until Saturday, correct?
No full on reviews until Saturday, unless someone feels like ruining their career.
We'll get people saying small reactions, maybe a few getting close to overstepping the embargo line, but nothing substantial.
Thanks for the info, makes sense
Just a guess but the social media embargo may be a day earlier as is often with blockbusters (and was with Guardians of the Galaxy recently). It essentially provides critics the opportunity to summarise their thoughts in a tweet or two.
Quote from: Gazz on May 03, 2017, 11:31:40 PM
Just a guess but the social media embargo may be a day earlier as is often with blockbusters (and was with Guardians of the Galaxy recently). It essentially provides critics the opportunity to summarise their thoughts in a tweet or two.
Maybe hicks can confirm this
I can't speak for how the UK premiere is being handled, but with the U.S. May 5th screenings, there's a "global review embargo" that's lifted on Saturday, May 6 @ 8:45PM PST / 11:45PM EST.
Embargoes tend to be handled differently depending on the studio or movie. Please keep in mind that while there are press, talent and industry insiders invited to these things, they're usually allowed a "plus one guest," so you DO get non-professionals at these things. I definitely know a person who is going to the UK premiere as a guest. Sometimes invites clearly state that even a guest must abide by the embargo. I've been to screenings where you sometimes even have to sign an embargo waiver, sometimes even the guest too. Other times, there's nothing stating what your guest can and can't say on social media, and I honestly have no idea if they even have the manpower to do anything about a random guest posting a Tweet.
I'm stoked about this movie as well! I'm going to lower my expectations as much as I can nonetheless since I hate being disappointed.
If it is on par with ALIENS I'll be ok but not satisfied. But if it is even remotely as good as ALIEN or A3 I'll take back everything I've said about Ridley Scott film-making the last 30 years.
Quote from: fiveways on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 PM
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
I know what you mean about the ultra-violence. I'm kind of over it too, but if it's done in a way that makes me feel something I'm for it.
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 04, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: fiveways on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 PM
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
I know what you mean about the ultra-violence. I'm kind of over it too, but if it's done in a way that makes me feel something I'm for it.
I don't know what you guys mean, at all. I want more! More! *laughs maniacally*
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 04, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: fiveways on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 PM
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
I know what you mean about the ultra-violence. I'm kind of over it too, but if it's done in a way that makes me feel something I'm for it.
Right? The more Thing-like body horror we get the better
I don't know what you guys mean, at all. I want more! More! *laughs maniacally*
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 04, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: fiveways on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 PM
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
I know what you mean about the ultra-violence. I'm kind of over it too, but if it's done in a way that makes me feel something I'm for it.
If it is part of the overall story and that story is interesting I am ok with it. So far I am not convinced that Covenant is going to do it in a way that isn't just gore for the sake of gore to make up for the lack of it in Prometheus. I figure the spoilers will give me what I need to know.
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 04, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: fiveways on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 PM
I'm waiting for the first round of spoilers before I figure out if I'm gonna bother seeing it in the theatre.
Somewhere over the course of the last year I lost my taste for ultra-violence. I want to see if there is enough substance to the actual film to make me want to sit in a theatre for 2 hours watching it.
I know what you mean about the ultra-violence. I'm kind of over it too, but if it's done in a way that makes me feel something I'm for it.
I don't know what you guys mean, at all. I want more! More! *laughs maniacally*
I used to be that way. Lately it's just gone. I watch it and it just makes me feel empty and sad.
Don't know if it's possible, but would be useful to have an idea of what advanced word was for 'Prometheus'. I'm sure there were a few who were hinting it was the most amazing thing, ever, back then.
I'm cautiously hopeful, myself, but it's difficult to know which sources to really trust with this.
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 04, 2017, 01:33:26 AM
Don't know if it's possible, but would be useful to have an idea of what advanced word was for 'Prometheus'. I'm sure there were a few who were hinting it was the most amazing thing, ever, back then.
I'm cautiously hopeful, myself, but it's difficult to know which sources to really trust with this.
For those of you that want to time travel back to about this very point in time precluding the arrival of Prometheus...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=37.1080
Page 55 of the Prometheus forums here.
You can see for yourself the similarities. I see a bit more optimism this time around.
Blast from the past! :laugh:
That being said, I really do think Covenant will be more satisfying, even if only because of all the spoilers letting us know exactly what to expect.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Yeah, well, hate to burst rain on your parade, but...
Spoiler
This movie has some of the goriest scenes I've ever seen in a film outside of John Carpenter's The Thing. Frivolity with a capital F
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Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Totally agree. Looking down the barrel of 40.
I think i would be better with it if the characters had lasting impact from it. Like Shaw straight up looks like she has PTSD in the prelude bit. Staring out the window just looking broken from what she's seen and already gone through. That sort of thing is needed for me now. Film without depicting the consequences of what you have seen are just empty. Yeah, those movies aren't fun. Remembering your crew and friends being eviscerated by a variety of monsters created by an insane android with a daddy complex shouldn't be fun. It should be horrible. That is the true terror, the true body horror to me. Reliving it everyday, never feeling right in your skin.
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Yeah, well, hate to burst rain on your parade, but... Spoiler
This movie has some of the goriest scenes I've ever seen in a film outside of John Carpenter's The Thing. Frivolity with a capital F
It doesnt rain on my parade. Frivolous gore to me is Jason sawing someones neck, then twisting the head off. Like the saw didnt do the job. Xenomorphs are supposed to be the most ruthlessly savage killers in the universe. What they do to human beings isnt going to be pretty. The violence in this is Justified art
Well, maybe I'm not as old and jaded (31 young) but I love gore, I love violence. Because it's a movie, fellas, and ultimately it's supposed to be fun. Being a gore hound, I eat this shit up. I love it!
Is it gratuitous? I don't know, is Alien or Aliens gratuitous? The gore in those films is part of the fun. Maybe people view it differently in those cases because those films are so well-made, but it, the gore, is all part of the show, the attraction.
The over-the-top gore in ALIEN: RESURRECTION is one of the few things that makes that film watchable for me (I'm an old school gorehound who used to have a subscription to Fangoria magazine for nearly 20 years). I do prefer the fleeting glimpses of brutal violence from the earlier movies but I don't mind a more visceral experience personally. The Backburster sequence is right up my alley.
Quote from: El Diablo on May 04, 2017, 04:14:39 AM
The over-the-top gore in ALIEN: RESURRECTION is one of the few things that makes that film watchable for me (I'm an old school gorehound who used to have a subscription to Fangoria magazine for nearly 20 years). I do prefer the fleeting glimpses of brutal violence from the earlier movies but I don't mind a more visceral experience personally. The Backburster sequence is right up my alley.
Fangoria.. high five
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Yeah, well, hate to burst rain on your parade, but... Spoiler
This movie has some of the goriest scenes I've ever seen in a film outside of John Carpenter's The Thing. Frivolity with a capital F
I like The Thing for what it is. That kind of gore just doesn't fit in with the Alien universe I like, even though A:R took a giant leap that direction. Gore also has a tendency to make things feel a little cheesy (in an incredibly morbid kind of way). I mean, the Chestburster sequence in the original is almost too much - it's carefully balancing on the tip of a scale. If it wasn't for the masterful top-notch acting, that legendary scene could've turned into another cheesy pulp sic-fi C-flick schlock moment that only gore fantasist would've appreciated.
Anyways... I haven't seen A:C yet, obviously. I just hope that the gore in the movie is more in the vein of ALIEN than, let's say, A:R or even AVP:R.
Well it is Ridley scott, he does visuals, and violence better thany anyone
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 04:44:42 AM
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 04, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Yeah, gore really doesn't jive well with me the older I get. No thrill, just disgust, or me just feeling indifferent to it, which isn't a nice feeling since watching people getting mutilated and such should be gut-wrenching to watch (no pun intended!) on all levels. It needs to be carefully handled and with great restriction and thought for it to work for me. I really hope that this gore hype we've heard concerning A:C is just hype and hype only. I really hope the movie will spare us frivolous gore.
Yeah, well, hate to burst rain on your parade, but... Spoiler
This movie has some of the goriest scenes I've ever seen in a film outside of John Carpenter's The Thing. Frivolity with a capital F
I like The Thing for what it is. That kind of gore just doesn't fit in with the Alien universe I like, even though A:R took a giant leap that direction. Gore also has a tendency to make things feel a little cheesy (in an incredibly morbid kind of way). I mean, the Chestburster sequence in the original is almost too much - it's carefully balancing on the tip of a scale. If it wasn't for the masterful top-notch acting, that legendary scene could've turned into another cheesy pulp sic-fi C-flick schlock moment that only gore fantasist would've appreciated.
Anyways... I haven't seen A:C yet, obviously. I just hope that the gore in the movie is more in the vein of ALIEN than, let's say, A:R or even AVP:R.
I found the gore in the 10 minute A:C clip to be very realistic to what was happening to the characters. If you thought the chestburster scene in the original is almost to much, I'm afraid your going to very much dislike the blood/gore in A:C.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 04, 2017, 04:48:05 AM
Well it is Ridley scott, he does visuals, and violence better thany anyone
Cameron did a good job in the gore side of things with Aliens, or Carpenter in The Thing. I think Covenant will be a fine addition to that shelf of gory horror film. Elevated, effective, and just as nasty as those films were in the gross-out department.
There are only two instances of human blood in Aliens IIRC. Ferro and the chestburst right?
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 04, 2017, 05:11:44 AM
There are only two instances of human blood in Aliens IIRC. Ferro and the chestburst right?
Pretty much. All the deaths, and or cacooning victims are off screen
I agree. Too many movies contain blood / guns / gore just for the sake of it. You don't need these things to tell a good story whether the genre is action, horror, whatever.
In fact most of the time it just lowers the movie artistically for me.
Will be in attendance at the world premiere tonight, however, embargo doesn't lift for a few days.
I have high hopes for this movie though and am eagerly awaiting being able to review it
Quote from: TizerisT on May 04, 2017, 05:37:21 AM
I agree. Too many movies contain blood / guns / gore just for the sake of it. You don't need these things to tell a good story whether the genre is action, horror, whatever.
In fact most of the time it just lowers the movie artistically for me.
But to leave gore out of a film intentionally doesn't necessarily elevate it, either.
In regards to Aliens, yeah, you only have two instances of human blood. But you have Ripley's nightmare, with the stretching skin (always gross), a man being burned alive, a guy's face being melted off with acid (much tamer when compared, oddly enough, to the face-melting scenes from Raiders or The Fly 2) and plenty of Android blood when Bishop is killed. Suddenly when we're dealing with "blood" that isn't red, or human, then it's not gross to us? Funny how that works, but it is a form of censorship (think: green blood pixels for the sprites in the T-for-teen versions of DOOM, on the GBA). Still blood, but not human, and not reminiscent of human, so, less offensive, or taboo, or gross. It's white paint, or milk, not blood.
Yet, it doesn't stop Bishop's "death" scene from being totally awesome. Great sound effects, and android gore. Probably my favorite "death" in the series, except Bishop, well, doesn't actually die. Perhaps that's another reason why it's not as vulgar to some? He can't feel pain like we do? It's not a sadistic scene, in that sense?
And then you have the garbage bags filled with maple syrup that constitute the Queen's eggsac, which Ripley pumps full of grenades. Aliens might not be the bloodiest film in the franchise, but it's full of slime, milk, and other fluids. Perhaps it shows some restraint in retrospect considering how runny the slime is on later xenomorph designs, but at the time, when Aliens was new, did it feel like they were using restraint, holding back--or was it meant to actually be what Hudson, in the film, calls "an express elevator ride to hell"?
Also, in the 2004 commentary on Aliens, Cameron boasted that his version of the chestburster was nastier than Scott's. Hell, you can see it push through the colonist's ribs on its way out of her body. Pretty gnarly.
But you guys have a point, in that many deaths in the film occur off screen. Spunkmeijer, Wierzbowski, Hudson, Burke, most of the colonists, Drake, Deidreitch, Apone, Timmy, Newt's parents-- they all die offscreen. Furthermore, Newt is grabbed, offscreen, when she's in the water. Burke sabotages Ripley offscreen. The colony is destroyed offscreen. It's a good balance of showing us, and letting us imagine.
And it doesn't change the fact that the film is very gory and messy compared to many films that would excise the gore entirely to elevate themselves. It proves handily that a gory film can be a great one.
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
Will be in attendance at the world premiere tonight, however, embargo doesn't lift for a few days.
I have high hopes for this movie though and am eagerly awaiting being able to review it
Can you tell us if you dug it, with a smiley face, if you did? :P
Some apparently positive reactions:
https://twitter.com/kyletague/status/860018290902482944
QuoteALIEN COVENANT: Employs the best parts of PROMETHEUS to build a solid ALIEN film. Just enough tonal cheekiness vs self-seriousness to work.
https://twitter.com/yimmyayo/status/860021949388406784
QuoteAlien: Covenant was great!
*added quotes. Hicks.
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
Will be in attendance at the world premiere tonight, however, embargo doesn't lift for a few days.
I have high hopes for this movie though and am eagerly awaiting being able to review it
Video review, I'm assuming? I'll see you down there!
Quote from: acidreign on May 04, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
Some apparently positive reactions:
https://twitter.com/kyletague/status/860018290902482944
QuoteALIEN COVENANT: Employs the best parts of PROMETHEUS to build a solid ALIEN film. Just enough tonal cheekiness vs self-seriousness to work.
https://twitter.com/yimmyayo/status/860021949388406784
QuoteAlien: Covenant was great!
*added quotes. Hicks.
Fantastic! We've got some more reactions in the reactions thread! :P
"Just enough tonal cheekiness vs self-seriousness to work."
This is a curious choice of words.
The only thing I can think of that this means is that Walter reacting atonally to the various horrific things going on around him will be played for laughs, even if only in a minor way, with Tennessee taking the reigns of the humour elsewhere.
Well, Ridley is notorious for his sense of humor permeating otherwise-serious affairs. Just look at The Martian, or Matchstick Men. Maybe he's employing some of that trademark humor here, perhaps akin to Parker and Brett? Remember "that was a joke" bit from The Last Supper? Perhaps some "unintentional" comedy from the not-quite-so-human Walter?
^ The leaked footage has Tenessee joking around and saying shit like "sugar tits" and stuff like that, so I'm guessing that constitutes some of the "tonal cheekiness".
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 06:47:14 AM
But you guys have a point, in that many deaths in the film occur off screen. Spunkmeijer, Wierzbowski, Hudson, Burke, most of the colonists, Drake, Deidreitch, Apone, Timmy, Newt's parents-- they all die offscreen. Furthermore, Newt is grabbed, offscreen, when she's in the water. Burke sabotages Ripley offscreen. The colony is destroyed offscreen. It's a good balance of showing us, and letting us imagine.
And it doesn't change the fact that the film is very gory and messy compared to many films that would excise the gore entirely to elevate themselves. It proves handily that a gory film can be a great one.
I think it was a clever move on Cameron's part to widen the audience for an Alien film. Aliens was much more mainstream and accessible than Alien, and the lessening of the 'gore value', and the increase in action was a big part of that... which isn't meant as an insult, as it was Aliens that gave it the ability to be a franchise.
Anyways... back to Covenant... 😊
Indeed.
I never thought I'd hear the compound word "sugardick" in a triple A-blockbuster. Then again, Scott loves his saucy language though even he has to cut lines to keep studio executives from fainting:
Spoiler
viz. Fassbender's line to Penelope Cruz, "You have the most glorious pussy in Christendom."
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I'm really curious what people think of Tennessee and Ferris, and some of the sexier and more vulgar language in the film (which frankly wouldn't sound out of place at one of my family's family reunions). It's all a question of "does it work, in the film?" Hell, the dialogue in Aliens is totally different than Alien, I think, but, in that film, it works really well. I think, in Covenant, Scott's angling for that improvised, quick-and-dirty approach similar to Alien... except he's being much saucier in this film than in Alien. Alien felt so serious. I just have to ask you guys, when you can respond: Does the levity in Covenant work?
I'm perfectly happy with that sort of interpersonal tone between the characters to be happening within the context of the story but it will be something that might be difficult to make sound natural.
A more relaxed and unprofessional interaction between the characters would be expected, and even probably encouraged, in a colonisation mission that was being manned by married couples. They're going to need to create a community on their new world and so keeping it to a purely a working relationship type thing just wouldn't seem right. The crew in Alien were workmates, so while they can be jokey with each other they would still keep each other emotionally at arms length. Same goes for Aliens but with more camaraderie, they were basically colleagues in that film as well but in the military so there would be a more united sense to their interactions.
The real danger, as I said, is it ending up sounding forced. but we wont know if it ends up that way until seeing the film.
And here I thought it was just because Vasquez was too bad that she and Drake kept it professional (at least, onscreen). :)
Saw the film two nights ago. Can't say much due to the embargo but my overall reaction was mixed-to-positive. Definitely enjoyed it more than Prometheus, which seems to be the consensus, although it was undeniably much less grandiose in it's intentions.
Whats's your rating about it ? ;)
I fear that might cross into what Fox consider review territory. You'll have to wait :P
If we love Prometheus, will we enjoy Covenant ??
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
Saw the film two nights ago. Can't say much due to the embargo but my overall reaction was mixed-to-positive. Definitely enjoyed it more than Prometheus, which seems to be the consensus, although it was undeniably much less grandiose in it's intentions.
I'll take enjoyable over grandiose any day. :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
Saw the film two nights ago. Can't say much due to the embargo but my overall reaction was mixed-to-positive. Definitely enjoyed it more than Prometheus, which seems to be the consensus, although it was undeniably much less grandiose in it's intentions.
That will do :)
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 08:55:24 AMIf we love Prometheus, will we enjoy Covenant ??
Debatable.
Covenant is much more commercial.
So, some argue, was Aliens. :P
Think the franchise needed a back to basics film to be honest, ambition is great if you can actually follow it through with great execution, if you enjoyed it more than Prometheus, huda, then that's great news. I'm hyped.
So huda, what was your feelings going into the movie, Were you one of the sceptics? Or did you think it would be good?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 09:17:50 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 08:55:24 AMIf we love Prometheus, will we enjoy Covenant ??
Debatable. Covenant is much more commercial.
I don't have problems with that. High-budget movies are always commercial. It's inevitable. I already knew it's gonna be better than
Prometheus after I had seen leaked footage.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 09:17:50 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 08:55:24 AMIf we love Prometheus, will we enjoy Covenant ??
Debatable. Covenant is much more commercial.
Makes sense to me.
After Prometheus's, lets say, mixed reception I found it quite surprising that Fox would give Ridley so much funding for the next one.
Bearing in mind that the follow up to Alien Covenant was written during filming, and pre-production has to be beginning pretty soon if the ball is to get rolling for the planned 2018 start to production, I could see Fox agreeing to fund Covenant if he made it a stomper and kept his loftier ideas for later on once they had made their "crowd pleaser".
Just have to wait and see how much of a free hand he is given in the next instalment to see if he goes into the deeper mythos of the series.
If it has a monster opening weekend, the sequel would be green lit immediately
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
So, some argue, was Aliens. :P
Haha! Would anyone dare to argue Aliens
wasn't commercial? :D
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 09:22:00 AMSo, some argue, was Aliens. :P
And some of those people really don't like
Aliens as a result :) Point being, the new one may not please some of those who really enjoyed
Prometheus for it's higher concepts.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 04, 2017, 09:24:21 AMSo huda, what was your feelings going into the movie, Were you one of the sceptics? Or did you think it would be good?
Pretty neutral. I'd enjoyed the preview footage but I remembered how disappointed I was by
Prommy, so I was trying to keep my expectations down.
There's one thing in particular I really want to say about the film that would better clarify my opinion of it, but it would definitely cross into review territory :laugh: I'm going to write up some thoughts to send to Hicks to post Sunday once the embargo's up (as I'm going to be away until Tuesday).
A:C must see in Imax or not ? the scope/scale was better than PR ?
Last question Huda, What is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included)
5 days for me, can't wait guys !!!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 04, 2017, 09:22:00 AMSo, some argue, was Aliens. :P
And some of those people really don't like Aliens as a result :) Point being, the new one may not please some of those who really enjoyed Prometheus for it's higher concepts.
Prometheus wasn't real
Alien movie. I'm glad that
Covenant is more simple and straightforward sci-fi thriller.
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 10:30:53 AMLast question Huda, What is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included)
Again, I think that might breach the embargo, sorry.
Moreover, I think I'd need to see the film again to accurately gauge it. I'm really curious to see how it rates with a repeat viewing, which I'm hoping to try and wrangle tonight.
I understand, thank you for your first impressions! I hope the film will be a critical and public success. We need this !
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2017, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 10:30:53 AMLast question Huda, What is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included)
Again, I think that might breach the embargo, sorry.
Moreover, I think I'd need to see the film again to accurately gauge it. I'm really curious to see how it rates with a repeat viewing, which I'm hoping to try and wrangle tonight.
caaaamaaaaan man. Can't somebodys cousin have told you their opinion which you can post here? ;)
Well ... that was ... good, I guess? Better than Prometheus due to the Xenomorph being in this.
Spoiler
The mystery of the Xenomorph and it's origin should've remained a mystery though
Can't say much more.
Hi HuDa - can you say if there was much from the trailers / prologues that didn't make the final cut?
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Well ... that was ... good, I guess? Better than Prometheus due to the Xenomorph being in this.
Spoiler
The mystery of the Xenomorph and it's origin should've remained a mystery though
Can't say much more.
Are you pretty positive on the film or closer to feeling mixed about it? Kind of getting similar reactions to Prometheus from what I am reading. Which is fine by me, I still enjoyed the movie despite its flaws.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Well ... that was ... good, I guess? Better than Prometheus due to the Xenomorph being in this.
Spoiler
The mystery of the Xenomorph and it's origin should've remained a mystery though
Can't say much more.
Are you pretty positive on the film or closer to feeling mixed about it? Kind of getting similar reactions to Prometheus from what I am reading. Which is fine by me, I still enjoyed the movie despite its flaws.
Let me state that I did not like Prometheus. Although I liked the way they had some nods to the original Alien movie ... it tried way too hard to establish something "new".
Alien Covenant is a much more straight forward movie.
More of a thriller/horror flick than Prometheus was. Which is a good thing.
Been a long time member here ... although I don't post much, I thought you guys would like my "review". I can't say much more untill somewhere next week though.
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Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Well ... that was ... good, I guess? Better than Prometheus due to the Xenomorph being in this.
Spoiler
The mystery of the Xenomorph and it's origin should've remained a mystery though
Can't say much more.
Are you pretty positive on the film or closer to feeling mixed about it? Kind of getting similar reactions to Prometheus from what I am reading. Which is fine by me, I still enjoyed the movie despite its flaws.
Let me state that I did not like Prometheus. Although I liked the way they had some nods to the original Alien movie ... it tried way too hard to establish something "new".
Alien Covenant is a much more straight forward movie.
More of a thriller/horror flick than Prometheus was. Which is a good thing.
Been a long time member here ... although I don't post much, I thought you guys would like my "review". I can't say much more untill somewhere next week though.
Better than Alien 3 ? and may be AR ;D?
Good to hear. :)
All the people who've seen it so far seem to dislike Prometheus, lol.
I actually kinda liked Prometheus, so I hope I'll like this one as well. But so far it seems like it will be very mixed for me. I hope it's not only a thriller/horror flick. :-[
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
The only problem I had with Covenant is that it doesn't feel "new". Making something feel "new" is a hard thing to do considering everything has been covered before. We all know the Xenomorph. The only thing that remains a mystery is it's origin. And by that I mean, it's TRUE origin.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
The only problem I had with Covenant is that it doesn't feel "new". Making something feel "new" is a hard thing to do considering everything has been covered before. We all know the Xenomorph. The only thing that remains a mystery is it's origin. And by that I mean, it's TRUE origin.
Was it exciting? Scary? And genuine tension?
Would you say visually it was on par with Prometheus?
Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
All the people who've seen it so far seem to dislike Prometheus, lol.
I actually kinda liked Prometheus, so I hope I'll like this one as well. But so far it seems like it will be very mixed for me. I hope it's not only a thriller/horror flick. :-[
Rest assured, it's not a straight up horror flick. If you watch Alien and Aliens its more about the tension. The "big" unknown. Same applies to Covenant.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
The only problem I had with Covenant is that it doesn't feel "new". Making something feel "new" is a hard thing to do considering everything has been covered before. We all know the Xenomorph. The only thing that remains a mystery is it's origin. And by that I mean, it's TRUE origin.
Was it exciting? Scary? And genuine tension?
Would you say visually it was on par with Prometheus?
Yes.
Scary? Yes.
Tension. I'm 31. Not easil... *jumpscare*. Damn! ;)
Visually stunning? O yes.
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Quote from: dlb on May 04, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Yes and no.
EDITSo far so good. Not breaking embargo.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: dlb on May 04, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Yes and no.
Are they still a factor, and COULD they be a factor in future sequels...
OR their story is sealed with Covenant?
Thks Syntax. Sounds great for me olala cant wait
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: dlb on May 04, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Yes and no.
Are they still a factor, and COULD they be a factor in future sequels...
OR their story is sealed with Covenant?
They've been a factor since Alien.
Can't answer the last one.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
Those are fighting words to some. I still have a lot of nostalgia for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'll try to keep an open mind, though.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 04, 2017, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
Those are fighting words to some. I still have a lot of nostalgia for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'll try to keep an open mind, though.
Alien Covenant, for me, is a better movie than Alien 3 or A:R. Although both are pretty fun movies to watch, Covenant goes back to it's roots of horror and suspense. Don't get me wrong, Alien 3 (the extended version I believe) improves the theatrical version alot. In the end, I can not influence your opinion of a movie. You are the judge 8)
I'm just here to post mine.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: dlb on May 04, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Yes and no.
Are they still a factor, and COULD they be a factor in future sequels...
OR their story is sealed with Covenant?
They've been a factor since Alien.
Can't answer the last one.
Thanks :) Last questions - Has Covenant succeeded in reinvigoration of the franchise in your opinion? Has this movie amplified already puzzling mystery of the Xenomorph? Can we say that this movie opened a door leading to many new mysteries?
If you cant answer those above then this easy one,
Can you say if Xeno is a bit scarier now with all the context from
Covenant?
Thanks again, I wont bother you with any subsequent questions :)
Music to my ears.
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: dlb on May 04, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
only thing that I want to know: I loved the concept of the Engineers in Prometheus, will I be disappointed with their portrayal in Covenant? :(
Yes and no.
Are they still a factor, and COULD they be a factor in future sequels...
OR their story is sealed with Covenant?
They've been a factor since Alien.
Can't answer the last one.
Thanks :) Last questions - Has Covenant succeeded in reinvigoration of the franchise in your opinion? Did this movie amplyfy already puzzling mystery of the Xenomorph? Can we say that this movie opened a doors leading to many new mysteries?
The thing is ... why didn't they call it Prometheus - Covenant?
From a marketing perspective, yes, the reinvigorated the Alien franchise. Again, Covenant is a welcome addition to the Alien franchise and a vast improvement over Prometheus.
I can't go into details about the Xenomorph just yet, but I have no doubt that the outcome of Covenant will be great to some and disappointing to others.
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Quote from: Scorpio on May 04, 2017, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
Those are fighting words to some. I still have a lot of nostalgia for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'll try to keep an open mind, though.
Alien Covenant, for me, is a better movie than Alien 3 or A:R. Although both are pretty fun movies to watch, Covenant goes back to it's roots of horror and suspense. Don't get me wrong, Alien 3 (the extended version I believe) improves the theatrical version alot. In the end, I can not influence your opinion of a movie. You are the judge 8)
I'm just here to post mine.
Fair enough, but bear in mind, people were saying that about AVPR when it came out.
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
Those are fighting words to some. I still have a lot of nostalgia for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'll try to keep an open mind, though.
Alien Covenant, for me, is a better movie than Alien 3 or A:R. Although both are pretty fun movies to watch, Covenant goes back to it's roots of horror and suspense. Don't get me wrong, Alien 3 (the extended version I believe) improves the theatrical version alot. In the end, I can not influence your opinion of a movie. You are the judge 8)
I'm just here to post mine.
Fair enough, but bear in mind, people were saying that about AVPR when it came out.
AVP:R was a worthless movie that tried to redeem the mistakes made in AVP. The only good thing we got out of AVP:R was the Predalien. The entire movie was pure fan service and doesn't have any reason (besides the fan service) to exist. I hated it.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:07:08 PM
The thing is ... why didn't they call it Prometheus - Covenant?
From a marketing perspective, yes, the reinvigorated the Alien franchise. Again, Covenant is a welcome addition to the Alien franchise and a vast improvement over Prometheus.
I can't go into details about the Xenomorph just yet, but I have no doubt that the outcome of Covenant will be great to some and disappointing to others.
Great for those who liked Prometheus or hated it? :)
I asked that because I m in the first group. Liked the movie after
seeing it in the cinema and love it till this day despite its grand flaws.
Thanks Syntaxx! do you want to rewatch it ?
I want to know if the score (i listened it and i loved it a lot) in the film was good too with the movie of course. And finally did you feel something in the movie, from an emotional point of view with certain characters? thanks again ;)
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on May 04, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
Thanks Syntaxx! do you want to rewatch it ?
I want to know if the score (i listened it and i loved it a lot) in the film was good too with the movie of course. And finally did you feel something in the movie, from an emotional point of view with certain characters? thanks again ;)
Good question. :)
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:10:20 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:07:08 PM
The thing is ... why didn't they call it Prometheus - Covenant?
From a marketing perspective, yes, the reinvigorated the Alien franchise. Again, Covenant is a welcome addition to the Alien franchise and a vast improvement over Prometheus.
I can't go into details about the Xenomorph just yet, but I have no doubt that the outcome of Covenant will be great to some and disappointing to others.
Great for those who liked Prometheus or hated it? :)
In general, to be honest.
Some will like it, some won't.
Let me state that Alien Covenant is much closer to the original Alien/Aliens in terms of feeling and setting. Because of this, some fans might become upset or pleased by certain outcomes that are depicted in Covenant (damn, that was a tough one to answer).
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on May 04, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
Thanks Syntaxx! do you want to rewatch it ?
I want to know if the score (i listened it and i loved it a lot) in the film was good too with the movie of course. And finally did you feel something in the movie, from an emotional point of view with certain characters? thanks again ;)
The score was good. It did it's job well. Although, lets face it guys ... nothing beats the original! ;)
And yes, I'll watch it again when it gets released here. That's for sure. There's tons of stuff I might've overlooked.
And sorry, can't talk about characters in detail. There were plenty of "ooooo" and "holy shit" moments, that I
can answer.
Thanks for all the answers, SyntaX.
We ve bombarded you with the questions like David
bombarded those Engineers with the goo ampules. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:22:39 PM
Thanks for all the answers, SyntaX.
We ve bombarded you with the questions like David
bombarded those Engineers with the goo ampules. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
O?
;)
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Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:22:39 PM
Thanks for all the answers, SyntaX.
We ve bombarded you with the questions like David
bombarded those Engineers with the goo ampules. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
O?
;)
;D ;D ;D I knew it. ;)
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Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:22:39 PM
Thanks for all the answers, SyntaX.
We ve bombarded you with the questions like David
bombarded those Engineers with the goo ampules. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
O?
;)
;D ;D ;D I knew it. ;)
Knew what? ;)
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:28:22 PM
Knew what? ;)
Still not sure... Perhaps I will truly know after I see the movie :) :laugh:
I know that I know nothing...
P.S. Those pale guys always looked different from the ones in Prometheus...
thanks for answering Syntax! sounds very promising while you still couldn't give us definite answers. :)
SyntaX, besides what we've seen in trailers and official released footage, to what degree is there a Giger-esque influence? As far as bio-mechanical things go.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:09:41 PMThe only good thing we got out of AVP:R was the Predalien.
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! The Predalien was more or less the only thing about the movie that was any good. I guess 'ALIEN: Covenant' is substantially better than 'AvP-R'. Looking forward to seeing this soon.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Much ... MUCH better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection.
The only problem I had with Covenant is that it doesn't feel "new". Making something feel "new" is a hard thing to do considering everything has been covered before. We all know the Xenomorph. The only thing that remains a mystery is it's origin. And by that I mean, it's TRUE origin.
Thanks for your comments and giving us your impressions without spoiling anything :) Exactly the type of comments I was hoping to find. I am hopeful there are still some mysteries left to be explored in further films.
Quote from: Dardooder on May 04, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
SyntaX, besides what we've seen in trailers and official released footage, to what degree is there a Giger-esque influence? As far as bio-mechanical things go.
The Giger influence is present in Alien Covenant.
That being said, the Xenomorph = Giger. But we all know there's other ... "things" ... besides the Xeno.
Sorry Dardooder, can't go into specifics just yet. I'm sure you are able to answer your own questions after viewing the tv-spots and trailers though 8)
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Dardooder on May 04, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
SyntaX, besides what we've seen in trailers and official released footage, to what degree is there a Giger-esque influence? As far as bio-mechanical things go.
The Giger influence is present in Alien Covenant.
That being said, the Xenomorph = Giger. But we all know there's other ... "things" ... besides the Xeno.
Sorry Dardooder, can't go into specifics just yet. I'm sure you are able to answer your own questions after viewing the tv-spots and trailers though 8)
Thanks man! That's good to hear.
Can you tell us anything regarding the fate of Shaw? I realize that may be too much to ask. ;D
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Spoiler
The mystery of the Xenomorph and it's origin should've remained a mystery though
Can't say much more.
"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/cHhMlpT.jpg)
You want to know the fate of Shaw???
Here you go:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtEaI0uQ.png&hash=c8cd46fdbd0e66e5b47a4284e26b3ab4031f7f18)
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
You want to know the fate of Shaw???
Here you go:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtEaI0uQ.png&hash=c8cd46fdbd0e66e5b47a4284e26b3ab4031f7f18)
Spoiler
Whoa! Looks like a face fusing with biomechanics to me! Interesting.. :o
Its a
Spoiler
female face fusing with biomechanics ;D :laugh:
So Giger confirmed
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cgsociety.org%2Fcgsarchive%2Fstories%2F2010_10%2Fgiger%2Fim02.jpg&hash=ae9a842b1bb8827eecdde01266321d24efaf0e53)
^DUDE. >:(
For someone that has seen a lot of trailers and previews, Have I spoiled the surprises for myself or are there plenty to look forward to?
In terms of creature and plot elements?
So it's sure we won't have the prologue in the movie ? is it true Syntaxx ? ;)
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on May 04, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
So it's sure we won't have the prologue in the movie ? is it true Syntaxx ? ;)
I hope its not true....
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Dardooder on May 04, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
SyntaX, besides what we've seen in trailers and official released footage, to what degree is there a Giger-esque influence? As far as bio-mechanical things go.
The Giger influence is present in Alien Covenant.
That being said, the Xenomorph = Giger. But we all know there's other ... "things" ... besides the Xeno.
Sorry Dardooder, can't go into specifics just yet. I'm sure you are able to answer your own questions after viewing the tv-spots and trailers though 8)
Thanks man! That's good to hear.
Can you tell us anything regarding the fate of Shaw? I realize that may be too much to ask. ;D
I'm not so sure I Shaw anything ...
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:57:40 PM
Its aSpoiler
female face fusing with biomechanics ;D :laugh:
So Giger confirmed
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cgsociety.org%2Fcgsarchive%2Fstories%2F2010_10%2Fgiger%2Fim02.jpg&hash=ae9a842b1bb8827eecdde01266321d24efaf0e53)
Thanks for showing that to me man! I'm even more excited than I already was.
Sounds promising I'm so excited to see this
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
I'm not so sure I Shaw anything ...
Are you saying that you could not recognize her when you Shaw her??? :laugh: :laugh:
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
is there more in the movie than what the trailers have shown us!?!?
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
;D :D
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
I'm not so sure I Shaw anything ...
Are you saying that you could not recognize her when you Shaw her??? :laugh: :laugh:
Shaw might not be Shaw anymore... :o We will have to see...
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
You want to know the fate of Shaw???
Here you go:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtEaI0uQ.png&hash=c8cd46fdbd0e66e5b47a4284e26b3ab4031f7f18)
If that's it. Well that's a bummer.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Covenant does a much better job at tying loose ends. Then again, it does leave alot of room for speculation. I'm sure questions raised in Covenant will be answered in the coming sequels.
I'll give you guys this.
Don't you guys find it strange that there's a Facehugger egg in Alien Covenant?
Pretty strange huh? We all know who lays those eggs. Or, do we? ;) 8)
What's your rating ? ;)
The editing was overall good ?
It's hard to wait you know... lucky man !! ;D
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Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
You want to know the fate of Shaw???
Here you go:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtEaI0uQ.png&hash=c8cd46fdbd0e66e5b47a4284e26b3ab4031f7f18)
If that's it. Well that's a bummer.
Spoiler
Well, maybe for you. Frankenstein wanted a bride... David obviously liked Shaw and wanted to perfect someone he "love". Classical story.Its afterall Giger's idea.
Quote from: Xeno_from_Belgium on May 04, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
What's your rating ? ;)
The editing was overall good ?
It's hard to wait you know... lucky man !! ;D
It's hard to top Alien/Aliens.
Alien : Covenant fits in much better than Prometheus.
7.5/10.
Might turn out a bit higher if I go see it again.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Covenant does a much better job at tying loose ends. Then again, it does leave alot of room for speculation. I'm sure questions raised in Covenant will be answered in the coming sequels.
Does it tie up any loose ends from Prometheus, apart from David and Shaw?
Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:30:13 PM
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Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Covenant does a much better job at tying loose ends. Then again, it does leave alot of room for speculation. I'm sure questions raised in Covenant will be answered in the coming sequels.
Does it tie up any loose ends from Prometheus, apart from David and Shaw?
Sorry, can't go into specifics.
But ... yes. It does.
Again, there's alot of stuff in the movie that was present in the trailer. When I watched the movie I thought :
"... damn! Can't believe I didn't connect those dots before. I mean, it was right
*there*"
Thanks for the info SyntaX! I only need to know one thing.... is there a post-credits scene? Would be nice to know in advance. ;)
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That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Covenant does a much better job at tying loose ends. Then again, it does leave alot of room for speculation. I'm sure questions raised in Covenant will be answered in the coming sequels.
Does it tie up any loose ends from Prometheus, apart from David and Shaw?
Sorry, can't go into specifics.
But ... yes. It does.
Thanks for the impressions!
Think I know now pretty much all I want to know....now I am gonna be avoiding most these threads until the 18th... if my discipline can hold up......
Spoiler
it won't
Quote from: oberonqa on May 04, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Thanks for the info SyntaX! I only need to know one thing.... is there a post-credits scene? Would be nice to know in advance. ;)
Can't answer that one.
We we're requested to leave the cinema as soon as the credits started :'(
A few journalists we're allowed to stay.
Well, then I hope it explains some things about the black goo and the engineers.
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Quote from: oberonqa on May 04, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Thanks for the info SyntaX! I only need to know one thing.... is there a post-credits scene? Would be nice to know in advance. ;)
Can't answer that one.
We we're requested to leave the cinema as soon as the credits started :'(
A few journalists we're allowed to stay.
That certainly is interesting... wonder whats in the credits they dont want people to see. Thanks for the quick answer SyntaX!
Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
Well, then I hope it explains some things about the black goo and the engineers.
It does.
Although I'm pretty certain alot of you will figure out who the true Engineer is soon enough.
Take a look at my previous post. The one concerning the Facehugger Egg.
I've scrolled through alot of pages but haven't seen anyone speculate about it.
So, here goes.
If the Alien Queen is absent ... who lays the eggs?
In Alien, why wasn't there a Queen when Kane got infected by the Facehugger?
Who made the eggs?
... just, think about it.
The answer is, really, right there.
David created the eggs. :(
Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:41:20 PM
David created the eggs. :(
No, that has been speculated as well already.
Egg morphing?
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Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
Well, then I hope it explains some things about the black goo and the engineers.
It does.
Although I'm pretty certain alot of you will figure out who the true Engineer is soon enough.
Take a look at my previous post. The one concerning the Facehugger Egg.
I've scrolled through alot of pages but haven't seen anyone speculate about it.
So, here goes.
If the Alien Queen is absent ... who lays the eggs?
In Alien, why wasn't there a Queen when Kane got infected by the Facehugger?
Who made the eggs?
... just, think about it.
The answer is, really, right there.
Why am I thinking the Engineers laid the eggs as their method of procreation and David goes and modifies them with Accelerant?
But.. wait what? David didn't create the eggs?
Because I'm pretty sure he did.
People have speculated and everyone's speculated David made them.
Shaw, or perhaps something third but then again that isnt obvious....
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Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
Well, then I hope it explains some things about the black goo and the engineers.
It does.
Although I'm pretty certain alot of you will figure out who the true Engineer is soon enough.
Take a look at my previous post. The one concerning the Facehugger Egg.
I've scrolled through alot of pages but haven't seen anyone speculate about it.
So, here goes.
If the Alien Queen is absent ... who lays the eggs?
In Alien, why wasn't there a Queen when Kane got infected by the Facehugger?
Who made the eggs?
... just, think about it.
The answer is, really, right there.
Are the eggs connected to Shaw?
Let's just say that Alien Covenant answers those questions 8)
I already said WAY too much.
Well, to protect people from themselves, I hope nobody answers any of these questions in regards to the origins of the eggs. Sounds like a major plot point of the movie that will be much better appreciated as a bit of a surprise....
Indeed.
There are a lot of possibilities and things that will surprise us...
Yesterday I spoke to someone who claimed he had seen the film a couple of times, and he said
Spoiler
Shaw is experimented on, but she doesn't lay the eggs. At least, it's not very clear. There are hints how David gets them though.
Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Yesterday I spoke to someone who claimed he had seen the film a couple of times, and he said Spoiler
Shaw is experimented on, but she doesn't lay the eggs. At least, it's not very clear. There are hints how David gets them though.
You could say that David might've all "Shaw" it coming.
He certainly puts his degree in Bio-Engineering to practice.
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Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Yesterday I spoke to someone who claimed he had seen the film a couple of times, and he said Spoiler
Shaw is experimented on, but she doesn't lay the eggs. At least, it's not very clear. There are hints how David gets them though.
You could say that David might've all "Shaw" it coming.
He certainly puts his degree in Bio-Engineering to practice.
Is he ultimately good or bad guy... or both... or neither?
No more, SyntaX!!!!!
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Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Yesterday I spoke to someone who claimed he had seen the film a couple of times, and he said Spoiler
Shaw is experimented on, but she doesn't lay the eggs. At least, it's not very clear. There are hints how David gets them though.
You could say that David might've all "Shaw" it coming.
He certainly puts his degree in Bio-Engineering to practice.
Embargo? What embargo?
Trust me.
You still know nothing 8)
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Quote from: Evanus on May 04, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Yesterday I spoke to someone who claimed he had seen the film a couple of times, and he said Spoiler
Shaw is experimented on, but she doesn't lay the eggs. At least, it's not very clear. There are hints how David gets them though.
You could say that David might've all "Shaw" it coming.
He certainly puts his degree in Bio-Engineering to practice.
Embargo? What embargo?
Trust me.
You still know nothing 8)
Are you saying the leaks aren't true? Because I doubt that.
But I certainly hope so!
Maybe Shaw is able to have/produce ovum after David's little experiment in Prometheus. Then perhaps Shaw was fatally sick from the new ovum and died while David was trying to remove them? Or something along those lines :)
that leads me to another question: is it mandatory for someone to have seen Prometheus before that movie to actually understand it? :D
Syntax, can you say whether or not LV-426 is referenced or seen in this movie?
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Maybe Shaw is able to have/produce ovum after David's little experiment in Prometheus. Then perhaps Shaw was fatally sick from the new ovum and died while David was trying to remove them? Or something along those lines :)
While there seems to be some affection expressed by David towards Shaw in the prologue part of me wonders if it's a long con so that he can use her later for his own nefarious purposes.
I'm saying that, despite me giving out a slight spoiler, you still know nothing.
Trust me, you'll be suprised. Some might like it, some won't. It's really hard for me to keep my lips sealed... You all will find out soon enough.
Quote from: Dardooder on May 04, 2017, 02:09:00 PM
Syntax, can you say whether or not LV-426 is referenced or seen in this movie?
"It's a rock. No indigenous life."
He makes them out of her eggs?
Either way it's clear he makes them.
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
He makes them out of her eggs?
Either way it's clear he makes them.
That's what I think. He also introduces elements from other flora/fauna in order to fine tune the delivery system.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
I'm saying that, despite me giving out a slight spoiler, you still know nothing.
Trust me, you'll be suprised.
Okay.
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
He makes them out of her eggs?
Either way it's clear he makes them.
Yep.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
I'm saying that, despite me giving out a slight spoiler, you still know nothing.
Trust me, you'll be suprised. Some might like it, some won't. It's really hard for me to keep my lips sealed... You all will find out soon enough.
Quote from: Dardooder on May 04, 2017, 02:09:00 PM
Syntax, can you say whether or not LV-426 is referenced or seen in this movie?
"It's a rock. No indigenous life."
Except for the people who've read the leaks. ;)
I mean, almost the whole movie has already been leaked online. I don't think I'll be very surprised.
I hope it's not just what was mentioned/shown images of in another thread - that the eggs are created from different elements, which are flora/fauna/indigenous creatures of the Paradise planet/moon. It would completely remove the Giger aspect of it - at least for me.
A question about the direction, the photography: it is even more beautiful visually? Did you see it on Imax or in the cinema?
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A question about the direction, the photography: it is even more beautiful visually? Did you see it on Imax or in the cinema?
Regular version.
It's a gorgeous movie. To me, it felt bigger when comparing it to Prometheus.
Can you tell if we learn anything of the engineers on this planet, and the citadel?
which was your favorite act. .first, second or third ?.. And is their plenty of action compared to prometheus and aliens?
man oh man I gotta stay out of this thread!
Out of all the trailers and released footage so far, how much of the movie is still completely in the dark?
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A question about the direction, the photography: it is even more beautiful visually? Did you see it on Imax or in the cinema?
Regular version.
It's a gorgeous movie. To me, it felt bigger when comparing it to Prometheus.
2 questions if you can?
1) Where would you place it in terms of favorite to least?
2) Is there alot that we haven't seen from the trailers/tv spots?
How does A:C fare in terms of run time and pacing?
I'm thinking of seeing Prometheus on release and it feeling rushed and compromised in many aspects (worsened by hanging out on here in the months preceding release)
SyntaX, please, can you tell me in PM or on this topic if the film mention or allusion to the queen alien? Shaw has a link with xenomorph? Does the film explain the link between neomorph and xenomorph?
It's a torture, relieved me a little
Quote from: Bworko on May 04, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
SyntaX, please, can you tell me in PM or on this topic if the film mention or allusion to the queen alien? Shaw has a link with xenomorph? Does the film explain the link between neomorph and xenomorph?
It's a torture, relieved me a little
Awe come on, suffer with the rest of us. At least you only got another week and not 2 weeks like here in the states!
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Quote from: Bworko on May 04, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
SyntaX, please, can you tell me in PM or on this topic if the film mention or allusion to the queen alien? Shaw has a link with xenomorph? Does the film explain the link between neomorph and xenomorph?
It's a torture, relieved me a little
Awe come on, suffer with the rest of us. At least you only got another week and not 2 weeks like here in the states!
Ah ah you're right but it's a torture! Luckily I will be able to see the film in premiere on May 9! My cinema offers Prometheus + Alien covenant! ;)
I wonder who else has seen it :P
So we can assume they moving into conmercial roads with this, no other jockeys, just simple movie making.
Thats all i needed to know, so i wont be dissapointed with the non Giger stuff.
Long long time lurker first time posting, hey everyone !!
With regards to where the eggs come from:-
Spoiler
My guts are telling me, the spore sacks or whatever they are, that get stepped on and release the spores for the neomorphs, ultimately become the eggs, maybe David manipulates them a bit more
Just a wild hunch :)
I'm going for David harvesting the eggs from Shaw's ovaries and black gooing them into the facehugger egg we know.
One thing I have wondered about since the original movie...is why the eggs are so LARGE.
Compared to the size of the face hugger.
And also the mist / light in Alien that responds when broken.
Also would be interested to find out:
Spoiler
How does the Juggernaught that David and Shaw are in that docks with the Scorpionaught before delivering its payload end up crashing on the planet?
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And also the mist / light in Alien that responds when broken.
The effects were thrown in last minute regarding the mist. Just something pretty for Ridley to show off, I reckon. ;)
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And also the mist / light in Alien that responds when broken.
The effects were thrown in last minute regarding the mist. Just something pretty for Ridley to show off, I reckon. ;)
Correct. Turns out a band was recording a music video in the same studio backlot as Alien. I believe it was "The Who".... this is brought up in the Starbeast documentary on the Quadrilogy/Bluray sets.
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Quote from: Stanley on May 04, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
And also the mist / light in Alien that responds when broken.
The effects were thrown in last minute regarding the mist. Just something pretty for Ridley to show off, I reckon. ;)
Correct. Turns out a band was recording a music video in the same studio backlot as Alien. I believe it was "The Who".... this is brought up in the Starbeast documentary on the Quadrilogy/Bluray sets.
Yeah, thought so. I doubt we'll be seeing that again.
Quote#AlienCovenant is an intense, strange and nightmarish continuation of the franchise. A great companion to Prometheus & the Alien mythos.
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002)
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Quote#AlienCovenant is an intense, strange and nightmarish continuation of the franchise. A great companion to Prometheus & the Alien mythos.
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002)
That's the film I want right there. I'm already happy.
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 08:22:38 PM
Quote#AlienCovenant is an intense, strange and nightmarish continuation of the franchise. A great companion to Prometheus & the Alien mythos.
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002)
Awesome to know. This just keeps getting better and better
QuoteBloody, odd, mysterious and a staggering picture of madness at times. Horrific in unexpected ways. #AlienCovenant
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860228566461632512 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860228566461632512)
QuoteSeriously. Go and see @AlienAnthology Covenant.
https://twitter.com/PaulCR_/status/860228626788364288 (https://twitter.com/PaulCR_/status/860228626788364288)
QuoteSo Alien Convenant :o :o :o :o Definitely worth a trip to the cinema & a large box of popcorn! #AlienCovenant
https://twitter.com/TheJamesIngham/status/860229174967103489 (https://twitter.com/TheJamesIngham/status/860229174967103489)
I do believe that is music to my eyes... to my soul....
:)
Tears of joy right now
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
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Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 08:22:38 PM
Quote#AlienCovenant is an intense, strange and nightmarish continuation of the franchise. A great companion to Prometheus & the Alien mythos.
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860227862749696002)
That's the film I want right there. I'm already happy.
That sounds absolutely up my street ;D
QuoteCan't elaborate too much more. I dug the film & there's lots to chew on & too much to spoil. You'll have to see for yourself #AlienCovenant
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860231307275718658 (https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860231307275718658)
Bloody hell have we actually got another good Alien film? It's been a while.
https://www.flickreel.com/reactions-from-first-alien-covenant-screening/
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
Not sensitive - interested.
Wasn't it you who just made the staggering claim: "just simple movie making" in this thread? It sounds like it's you who is sensitive, and disappointed, in something you haven't seen?
https://twitter.com/HeroCollector_/status/860233561198252032
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
Not sensitive - interested.
Wasn't it you who just made the staggering claim: "just simple movie making" in this thread? It sounds like it's you who is sensitive, and disappointed, in something you haven't seen?
Thats not interested, that depending on the opinion of others, especially people who dont have much with the alien franchise.
Yes i did, after hudafuk's comments, its just Prometheus all over, when we all were hyped and hoping a lot and getting nothing, its the same, i had hopes it wouldnt, but going on by the comments of true fans on this site, its eventually just a simple action/sci fi movie, possibly the real sequel to Alien.
I'm glad that the reviews are looking good so far.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
Bloody hell have we actually got another good Alien film? It's been a while.
I'm still thinking this will turn out to be the best since the first two.
Funny seeing some people try to gauge different early reactions based on how much they liked
Prometheus. :laugh:
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
You're cute.
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
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Quote from: SyntaX on May 04, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
I'm saying that, despite me giving out a slight spoiler, you still know nothing.
Trust me, you'll be suprised.
Okay.
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
He makes them out of her eggs?
Either way it's clear he makes them.
Yep.
No I reckon
Spoiler
they are made from the wheat grain in the field -wheat grain has endosperm wheat grain +goo=egg
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
You're cute.
Good for you, if thats important to you.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
Lets be honest, nobody that came back was hyped.
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
Bloody hell have we actually got another good Alien film? It's been a while.
I'm still thinking this will turn out to be the best since the first two.
Funny seeing some people try to judge different early reactions based on how much they liked Prometheus. :laugh:
I think it will be the best since the first two as well in case that got lost in translation. What I meant is we haven't had a critically lauded Alien movie since 1986! (And it's early doors on this one but it all seems pretty positive).
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
You're cute.
Good for you, if thats important to you.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
Lets be honest, nobody that came back was hyped.
There was a lot of hype. Still is. This film clearly works on some level.
You must get on real well with the ladies.
https://twitter.com/_CorporalHicks/status/860235756492730368
Thats from the boss :D
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
You're cute.
Good for you, if thats important to you.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
Lets be honest, nobody that came back was hyped.
There was a lot of hype. Still is. This film clearly works on some level.
You must get on real well with the ladies.
You butthurt by my comments? or what are you trying to provoke with your uselless comments?
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
Thats from the boss :D
Yeah I realized that after posting :laugh:
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
Prometheus WAS great ;D
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Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Why you guys so sensitive for those reactions? one of them calls the whole Alien franchise a succes and even posts the movies after Aliens, some of them complete hipsters who already go "woowwww" when a liter of blood is shown.
You're cute.
Good for you, if thats important to you.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
Lets be honest, nobody that came back was hyped.
There was a lot of hype. Still is. This film clearly works on some level.
You must get on real well with the ladies.
You butthurt by my comments? or what are you trying to provoke with your uselless comments?
More the second one. The only review that matters is my own. It's undeniable the hype is massive right now. Positive all round.
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
Bloody hell have we actually got another good Alien film? It's been a while.
I'm still thinking this will turn out to be the best since the first two.
Funny seeing some people try to gauge different early reactions based on how much they liked Prometheus. :laugh:
I think it will be the best since the first two as well in case that got lost in translation. What I meant is we haven't had a critically lauded Alien movie since 1986! (And it's early doors on this one but it all seems pretty positive).
Yes, totally in agreement there. :)
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Hicks's tweet is also not that promissing, i wouldnt call that a positive tweet, kinda the same as Hudafuk, a little better then Prometheus.
I find that disturbing.
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
What is the problem?
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Hicks's tweet is also not that promissing, i wouldnt call that a positive tweet, kinda the same as Hudafuk, a little better then Prometheus.
I find that disturbing.
You're easily disturbed.
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Hicks's tweet is also not that promissing, i wouldnt call that a positive tweet, kinda the same as Hudafuk, a little better then Prometheus.
I find that disturbing.
I thought it was positive. More satisfying than prometheus is more satisfying than prometheus. Thats a good thing.
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
Then show me the hype, from the people that came back from the showing, and are fans.
Not the hipster people that get tickets just because they have a movie youtube account.
Sounds positive but not "great"
Yes, me too. Was a positive tweet.
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Do you all realize you're arguing over other's people emotions concerning a film?
::)
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Hicks's tweet is also not that promissing, i wouldnt call that a positive tweet, kinda the same as Hudafuk, a little better then Prometheus.
I find that disturbing.
You're easily disturbed.
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 04, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
What is the problem?
Infected is telling us it's not going to be good, seems upset about it, but is confused that most of us are quite up beat and positive. This appears to annoy him.
No, I've no idea why.
Quote from: salomonj on May 04, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You're wrong.
First reactions? Didn't hear anything negative yet.
Hicks's tweet is also not that promissing, i wouldnt call that a positive tweet, kinda the same as Hudafuk, a little better then Prometheus.
I find that disturbing.
I thought it was positive. More satisfying than prometheus is more satisfying than prometheus. Thats a good thing.
From a certain point of view yes :D
https://twitter.com/_CorporalHicks/status/860238289856581634
https://twitter.com/_CorporalHicks/status/860238685299769344
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 04, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
What is the problem?
Infected is telling us it's not going to be good, seems upset about it, but is confused that most of us are quite up beat and positive. This appears to annoy him.
No, I've no idea why.
Another butthurt comment, i was asking why you guys are getting hyped over some hipsters/non alien fan tweets, while the tweets and comments ive seen from alien fans arent hyped or really happy, if the movie was real good, we wouldnt be having this comment war, its really simple, its another overhyped movie, studio pleaser.
The annoying part is, the fact you guys need this confirmation, because you feel the negative vibe but are denying it.
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
[/quote]
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
Alien jumping in the corridor or Weyland scene????
Wonder if it's the cg on the alien and or how it moves
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 04, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
What is the problem?
Infected is telling us it's not going to be good, seems upset about it, but is confused that most of us are quite up beat and positive. This appears to annoy him.
No, I've no idea why.
Some people define their existence by how much discord they can sow. Anger is their weapon and tears their currency.
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
The shower scene?
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 04, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 04, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
most of the Prometheus reviews were also great
The reason people here are searching for good vibes coming from the visitors, is because the first reactions didnt seem so good,
no worries or hate but its the truth.
You do realise your disappointment and downers are not shared by the majority? Just saying.
Hey ... maybe it's not the majority here that have the problem? ;)
What is the problem?
Infected is telling us it's not going to be good, seems upset about it, but is confused that most of us are quite up beat and positive. This appears to annoy him.
No, I've no idea why.
Another butthurt comment, i was asking why you guys are getting hyped over some hipsters/non alien fan tweets, while the tweets and comments ive seen from alien fans arent hyped or really happy, if the movie was real good, we wouldnt be having this comment war, its really simple, its another overhyped movie, studio pleaser.
The annoying part is, the fact you guys need this confirmation, because you feel the negative vibe but are denying it.
Oh, I feel the negative vibe but I'm denying it, am I indeed? LOL
This thread has been quite clearly positive towards the film.
And then there's you. And to be clear - you're not being negative about the film. You're being negative about the rest of the members. You're telling us we are lying to ourselves, and you - and only you - know what we think.
You're full of it.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
[/quote]
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
QuoteJust out of Alien Covenant... it has been marketed as a more Alien like film... it's actually a straight sequel of Prometheus, very much so
https://twitter.com/Carlos_Adama/status/860241018993733632 (https://twitter.com/Carlos_Adama/status/860241018993733632)
Quote from: oberonqa on May 04, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
The shower scene?
That hasn't really been advertised that much as say, the Xeno corridor scene. (IMO)
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
[/quote]
Most of us? So, you? You don't speak for anybody. You're a waste of time.
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
[/quote]
You do like broad generalizations, dont't you? I watch Alien from beginning to end... I don't stop watching after the jockey scene, as you put it
Are you even a fan of the franchise???
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:04:03 PMRidley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
I really do hope Ridley is reading this thread, I mean, how else will he become a better director if he doesn't read and learn from Infected?
Im guessing Corporal Hicks issues probably have to do with Alien lore being f**ked with!
Quote from: 343 on May 04, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
https://twitter.com/_CorporalHicks/status/860238289856581634
https://twitter.com/_CorporalHicks/status/860238685299769344
QuoteDefinitely messy in the good proper fashion! :D Bad messy as in the Alien fan inside me groaned due to some bits.
Quickly everyone, run for the hills!
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
Cool, thanks. :)
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
Oh, I feel the negative vibe but I'm denying it, am I indeed? LOL
This thread has been quite clearly positive towards the film.
And then there's you. And to be clear - you're not being negative about the film. You're being negative about the rest of the members. You're telling us we are lying to ourselves, and you - and only you - know what we think.
You're full of it.
Remember that anger goes both way. Positive and Negative are just thoughts that depends of someone's view.
Be careful not to sink in it nor to encourage with each post the fire to burn twice the flame.
This thread is a thread, with a subject and conversations. It is nothing else you both party wants it to be.
If positiveness or negativity has an impact on the view you'll have of the film you have yet to watch, maybe you should stay away to keep your emotions clear.
Quote from: Enoch on May 04, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
QuoteJust out of Alien Covenant... it has been marketed as a more Alien like film... it's actually a straight sequel of Prometheus, very much so
https://twitter.com/Carlos_Adama/status/860241018993733632 (https://twitter.com/Carlos_Adama/status/860241018993733632)
Now that's what I like! :)
[/quote]
Oh, I feel the negative vibe but I'm denying it, am I indeed? LOL
This thread has been quite clearly positive towards the film.
And then there's you. And to be clear - you're not being negative about the film. You're being negative about the rest of the members. You're telling us we are lying to ourselves, and you - and only you - know what we think.
You're full of it.
[/quote]No, just stating the facts that you guys are hanging around to find or see a real positive comment or tweet comming from the screenings, its not your fault, but the reactions arent that WOW!!
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 04, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 08:54:18 PM
Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
Alien smashing the head on the glass shot I say
Positive-to-mixed/positive is a pretty damn good baseline for first reactions if you ask me.
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
Most of us? So, you? You don't speak for anybody. You're a waste of time.
[/quote]But i do speak for the people ive spoken with.
Quote from: T Dog on May 04, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
Im guessing Corporal Hicks issues probably have to do with Alien lore being f**ked with!
So maybe not major problems with how the film is made?
Is there any Human or AI interaction with the Engineers before they're exterminated?
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:04:03 PMRidley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
I really do hope Ridley is reading this thread, I mean, how else will he become a better director if he doesn't read and learn from Infected?
For instance its not about me, although you butthurt girls are trying to attack me, but the fact is that Prometheus is living proof Ridley didnt understand is own franchise and his own magic, you are telling me he did??? you gonna lie here and keep making dumb remarks about me and say oh but Ridley is the master he understands it perfectly, after Prometheus and the mess he gave us. LOL
Tell me, how do you like your alien franchise world after this movie will suck just as hard as Prometheus. or just a little less.
Yeah the work of a master that understands his own work, NOT!! just another Lucas.
https://twitter.com/David_Friend01/status/860240308361191425
Everything I read about Covenant looks very good! Impatient!
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:04:03 PMRidley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
I really do hope Ridley is reading this thread, I mean, how else will he become a better director if he doesn't read and learn from Infected?
For instance its not about me, although you butthurt girls are trying to attack me, but the fact is that Prometheus is living proof Ridley didnt understand is own franchise and his own magic, you are telling me he did??? you gonna lie here and keep making dumb remarks about me and say oh but Ridley is the master he understands it perfectly, after Prometheus and the mess he gave us. LOL
Tell me, how do you like your alien franchise world after this movie will suck just as hard as Prometheus. or just a little less.
Yeah the work of a master that understands his own work, NOT!! just another Lucas.
Chill out, there's no need to start calling people names.
It's quite clear this film is getting you pissed off so you should take a break from talking about it.
Quote from: oberonqa on May 04, 2017, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
You do like broad generalizations, dont't you? I watch Alien from beginning to end... I don't stop watching after the jockey scene, as you put it
Are you even a fan of the franchise???
[/quote]Then why wasnt there a single alien in Prometheus LOL
Because i created Alien and Prometheus haha nobody out there that would have made Alien would have come up with Prometheus the way it did.
How much fan are you? im such a big fan i dare to critize that wich i believed in.
Do you?
https://twitter.com/BJ667/status/860238471717433344
Every comment Ive seen range from Amazing, to good. Have not seen a single negative comment. And you knuckleheads argueing and getting personal, just stop
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 04, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:04:03 PMRidley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
I really do hope Ridley is reading this thread, I mean, how else will he become a better director if he doesn't read and learn from Infected?
For instance its not about me, although you butthurt girls are trying to attack me, but the fact is that Prometheus is living proof Ridley didnt understand is own franchise and his own magic, you are telling me he did??? you gonna lie here and keep making dumb remarks about me and say oh but Ridley is the master he understands it perfectly, after Prometheus and the mess he gave us. LOL
Tell me, how do you like your alien franchise world after this movie will suck just as hard as Prometheus. or just a little less.
Yeah the work of a master that understands his own work, NOT!! just another Lucas.
Chill out, there's no need to start calling people names.
It's quite clear this film is getting you pissed off so you should take a break from talking about it.
Yeah well maybe thats the way the game goes, you get called out, you call them back.
https://twitter.com/matterose/status/860244103992406016
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Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
You do like broad generalizations, dont't you? I watch Alien from beginning to end... I don't stop watching after the jockey scene, as you put it
Are you even a fan of the franchise???
Then why wasnt there a single alien in Prometheus LOL
Because i created Alien and Prometheus haha nobody out there that would have made Alien would have come up with Prometheus the way it did.
How much fan are you? im such a big fan i dare to critize that wich i believed in.
Do you?
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You make no sense whatsoever. You're wasting away.
https://twitter.com/2Folden/status/860244036866715648
Ahh everything is so positive
I gotta admit, I'm curious to see a negative review pop up.
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Quote from: Citadel on May 04, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Ridley is just pulling a Lucas with his own franchise, not going in on the things that make the movies great, because the master doesnt even know what made his franchise so good.
Yeah thats disturbing, and also means for the future of this franchise we wont be getting a little Giger influence and jockey "magic"
this is it, bald tall white guys and Fassbenders.
But seeing your comments its easy to say you are to narrow minded to see and understand the big picture.
Ridley knows Alien can stand alone. He's going in new directions because the guy has been in the business for a long time. How exactly would you go about it? Enlighten me.
Or enlighten yourself. You ooze negativity.
In what did Alien stand alone? most of us stop watching after the jockey scene in Alien, Aliens isnt even Ridley's view on it all, Alien3 was an even bigger piece of ..... Alien:R was the biggest joke ever, the AVP's are just mutilated fastfood movies.
Prometheus was an even bigger mess, the last movies that came from Ridley really didnt do that well did they, The Martian, the Counselor, its one big mess he is creating.
Tell me, how does Alien can stand alone LOL
You do like broad generalizations, dont't you? I watch Alien from beginning to end... I don't stop watching after the jockey scene, as you put it
Are you even a fan of the franchise???
Then why wasnt there a single alien in Prometheus LOL
Because i created Alien and Prometheus haha nobody out there that would have made Alien would have come up with Prometheus the way it did.
How much fan are you? im such a big fan i dare to critize that wich i believed in.
Do you?
You make no sense whatsoever. You're wasting away.
[/quote]So maybe you need to go back to your provoking comments towards me if you cant end this in a verbal way,
you can start about the "ladiezzzz" again LOL
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
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the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:30:33 PM
I gotta admit, I'm curious to see a negative review pop up.
Usually need more time. It's hard to say it's complete shit, negative are usually more in the grey and they need argument to prove so.
Emotional reactions are just what you're going to get for the first days the movie launched.
Every movie has it that way, it's only days after and sometimes weeks that some "reviews" becomes to be interesting as the film has been digested. Sometimes a second re-watch (even if you consider it bad) is good enough to have a more proper lecture.
I didn't realize how Prometheus and AVP were close at the beginning for example, took me a second viewing to notice why I had such a cliché déjà vu film in my mind despite the fact it tried too well to scream at your face "I'm original".
So yeah, don't expect a lot on review side, positive or negative, people speak with their guts and bawls, not their brains right now.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
https://twitter.com/JordanESamuel/status/860247149749170176
https://twitter.com/pandoratweets/status/860246814200659968
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
It surprises me that there only positive to gushing first impressions yet still arguing going on in the thread. Understand the passion but can we just be content that we have a good legit Alien movie that looks like it can stand alongside the first two? I personally am very happy right now.
Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:36:06 PM
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
What does this have to do with Covenant?
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
What does this have to do with Covenant?
You can just read back, and there you have the answer, you quoted me so you probably showed interest in that comment i made.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
It surprises me that there only positive to gushing first impressions yet still arguing going on in the thread. Understand the passion but can we just be content that we have a good legit Alien movie that looks like it can stand alongside the first two? I personally am very happy right now.
Infected thinks you're lying to yourself. Stop being happy! It's not right! Because Infected is not happy! ;)
https://twitter.com/Carlos_Adama/status/860247774461390850
https://twitter.com/Khurtizz/status/860247714554142720
https://twitter.com/Khurtizz/status/860248161713106945
https://twitter.com/teamschreier/status/860233587290914816
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
What does this have to do with Covenant?
You can just read back, and there you have the answer, you quoted me so you probably showed interest in that comment i made.
Just thinking ... I thought you said people stop watching Alien after the jockey scene. There isn't even a jockey scene in Aliens, is there?
How was the finished CGI?
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Just come out of it.
If not gruesome action flooding the screen, it's mysterious conversations filling the gaps.
Some issues, but need to rewatch to see if any still still stick out.
*They cut out one very advertised shot, which was a surprise.
Oh I hope it's not the bombing scene :-X
Nope :)
Alien jumping in the corridor or Weyland scene????
Sadly you are correct, the corridor pounce, one of my favourite shots.
Oh no! I loved that shot.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
It surprises me that there only positive to gushing first impressions yet still arguing going on in the thread. Understand the passion but can we just be content that we have a good legit Alien movie that looks like it can stand alongside the first two? I personally am very happy right now.
Seriously. Especially considering what a sad, weird death march the leadup to Prometheus's release was after the first early reactions leaked. I'm glad to have some good news for a change.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
I'm pretty sure there would have been other sequels if Aliens hadn't been made. We'd just have one less great film.
Perhaps it's more productive to focus on the news that initial reaction to Alien: Covenant seems predominately positive?
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
Quote from: Stolen on May 04, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Khurtizz/status/860247714554142720
https://twitter.com/Khurtizz/status/860248161713106945
Ouch with that small impression. Hope it's just an outlier.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
A mix between both Alien and Prometheus, a lot more of a sequel to Prom than you'd think.
Nice. I'm glad I haven't watched that scene then.
Thanks. :)
https://twitter.com/pandoratweets/status/860250797891887105
Quote from: zoidy on May 04, 2017, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
It surprises me that there only positive to gushing first impressions yet still arguing going on in the thread. Understand the passion but can we just be content that we have a good legit Alien movie that looks like it can stand alongside the first two? I personally am very happy right now.
Infected thinks you're lying to yourself. Stop being happy! It's not right! Because Infected is not happy! ;)
Let me explain it once more, so you can stop or go on with your butthurt towards me.
But lets get this clear, when ive read Hudafuk's comments, he didnt seemed hyped, then i saw other peoples comments/tweets, and some ok, the ones that yelled owww i was so scared and scarejumps this and that, came from Youtube hipsters (no offence if you are one)(and calling the whole alien franchise a succes) i see other fans tweets and comments, they are its better then Prometheus.
Then i see people on here reacting to the "positive" tweets coming from mostly non fans, although Hicks is positive, im really missing that hype, no matter what you say, but nobody of the real fans is yelling that its briliant or great, yet people keep searching for that comment and tweet, it isnt there.
So yeah i knew there was a posibility that we would get a Prometheus thing all over, i hoped Ridley would have learned from it and by kicking out midget fck Lindelof asswipe, but no, probably Covenant will be a good movie to my likings, but the thing we all want, the Giger the magic the mystery, its not gonna happen, that is what im seeing, and i take the conclusion you guys see and feel it too, probably in denial but you know this is it, and its all we will get.
Its no personal hate towards you guys, but its mediocore at its best.
Now back to your hate
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
A mix between both Alien and Prometheus, a lot more of a sequel to Prom than you'd think.
Did you like it overall?
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 04, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
A mix between both Alien and Prometheus, a lot more of a sequel to Prom than you'd think.
That's great! :)
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
What does this have to do with Covenant?
You can just read back, and there you have the answer, you quoted me so you probably showed interest in that comment i made.
Aliens didn't have much for Giger influence. I'm curious, are you saying you like Aliens more than Alien? If you turn off Alien after the jockey scene I don't understand why you'd stick around for any of the rest of these movies and the progression. Genuinely confused. I understand being skeptical of initial reviews, I get all that.
Lindelof has nothing to do with Covenant.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
I'm pretty sure there would have been other sequels if Aliens hadn't been made. We'd just have one less great film.
Perhaps it's more productive to focus on the news that initial reaction to Alien: Covenant seems predominately positive?
If Cameron wasnt involved it would never have taken off like it did till this day.
Was commenting on the guy about the franchise, that isnt that succesful as we think it is, its full of crap, and the master Ridley doesnt know what he has got, same as Lucas with his prequels.
But back to Covvie :)
https://twitter.com/lemontwittor/status/860251794349404164
Keith Lemon's opinion.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 04, 2017, 09:59:16 PM
https://twitter.com/lemontwittor/status/860251794349404164
Keith Lemon's opinion.
He's actually a cinephile, he knows his films.
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
A mix between both Alien and Prometheus, a lot more of a sequel to Prom than you'd think.
Did you like it overall?
Yeah I did, i want to see it again so I can get a sense of the flow of the film. They do show a lot of the movie in the trailers. So I'm kind of jealous of the people that didn't analyse the footage haha.
More of a sequel to Prometheus than you'd think? Because of David's role?
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
What does this have to do with Covenant?
You can just read back, and there you have the answer, you quoted me so you probably showed interest in that comment i made.
Aliens didn't have much for Giger influence. I'm curious, are you saying you like Aliens more than Alien? If you turn off Alien after the jockey scene I don't understand why you'd stick around for any of the rest of these movies and the progression. Genuinely confused. I understand being skeptical of initial reviews, I get all that.
Thats right, but Aliens had much more in that time and to this day to rely on, survival action with a high testosteron level and some good filming.
Why dont you get it? but you do get Prometheus? its only about the jockey/engineer and no alien in sight the whole movie, until the last 5 seconds.
If you dont understand me, then you dont understand Prometheus and why Ridley made it in the first place, am i right?
Would be weird to not understand me, and why i watch Alien only for the most beautiful thiing filmed in the history of sci fi,
but you do understand why Ridley would make an entire movie about that one scene i always watch.
Really weird....
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 04, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Lindelof has nothing to do with Covenant.
Awesome.
Well Covenant was always gonna be more of a Prometheus sequel just by the nature of it involving the Engineers story and David. I think people expected it to be an Alien film due to the marketing, which heavily relied on the Xeno, but that was just because Prometheus had a mixed reception and they wanted to try and convince people this would be different. I wouldn't be too worried about it.
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
How was the finished CGI?
Spoiler
Backbuster scene was improved upon and a lot better than the 10 minute footage shown in theatres. The neomorphs actually looked more real than the Xeno to me.
Where would you rank it in the Alien and Prometheus pantheon?
A mix between both Alien and Prometheus, a lot more of a sequel to Prom than you'd think.
Did you like it overall?
Yeah I did, i want to see it again so I can get a sense of the flow of the film. They do show a lot of the movie in the trailers. So I'm kind of jealous of the people that didn't analyse the footage haha.
Good stuff! I suspect I've ruined much of the movie for myself cause I've binged on the trailers but I can't help it, glutinous for anything Alien haha
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the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
If Aliens had been different, the story would have been different, and so Alien3 would have been different. In Star Trek terms, we're talking about an alternative timeline, so your claim is nonsense.
So the consensus so far is?
Did the trailers show a piece of every scene from the film? I kinda of figured out the story beats after the first trailer. Also, does the shower scene feel out of place? I'm asking because a lot of fans were worried about that.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
If Aliens had been different, the story would have been different, and so Alien3 would have been different. In Star Trek terms, we're talking about an alternative timeline, so your claim is nonsense.
Ohhhh so he's an Aliens fanboy. This has started to make sense finally.
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Ohhhh so he's an Aliens fanboy. This has started to make sense finally.
lol
What about the adult neo's? Do we see them, are they awesome?
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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 04, 2017, 10:10:56 PM
Did the trailers show a piece of every scene from the film? I kinda of figured out the story beats after the first trailer. Also, does the shower scene feel out of place? I'm asking because a lot of fans were worried about that.
Will just say
Spoiler
I wouldn't be doing that after losing friends, so in a way it was a little weird emotionally, to be getting it on .
As for your spoiler, thats the first thing I would do. Everyone deals with tragedy in their own way I suppose, But If im in a plane going down, thats how Im going out
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 04, 2017, 10:05:56 PM
Well Covenant was always gonna be more of a Prometheus sequel just by the nature of it involving the Engineers story and David. I think people expected it to be an Alien film due to the marketing, which heavily relied on the Xeno, but that was just because Prometheus had a mixed reception and they wanted to try and convince people this would be different. I wouldn't be too worried about it.
Well, the engineers
Spoiler
are killed
and we probably learn nothing new about them. Shaw is barely in the movie,
Spoiler
and gets killed too.
The themes and ideas explored in Prometheus are most likely gone. Instead we get a much more straightforward thriller/horror movie. I wouldn't call that a proper Prometheus sequel, honestly. The only thing that really remains from Prometheus, is David. And I'm afraid they reduced his character to a cliché villain.
Dont know if this was posted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HeroCollector_/status/860233561198252032 (https://mobile.twitter.com/HeroCollector_/status/860233561198252032)
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
Thanks for calling me a liar. You asked a question and I answered it. To elaborate, there would be more Alien movies if Aliens hadn't happened. They would likely have been horror films like the first one rather than branching into action adventure territory like Aliens did. Both Aliens and Alien 3 would have been entirely different movies, especially if Ridley was brought back to direct Alien 2.
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Quote from: Infected on May 04, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
If Aliens had been different, the story would have been different, and so Alien3 would have been different. In Star Trek terms, we're talking about an alternative timeline, so your claim is nonsense.
Yeah but who would have made the sequel? You? LOL lets be honest a cry baby on a movie forum site thinks he could make a better sequel then Cameron, are you retarded? Or is hfeldhaus the only retard around here?
Seriously guys shut the f**k up
https://twitter.com/Naomikisted/status/860258560818728960
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the franchise only took off thanks to the bigger sequel, thats a fact, after that it all went downhill.
Ok...
If Aliens never happened and wasnt made, do you think that would made a difference to the franchise, do you think we still would have sequels to this day?
Absolutely.
LOOOL thats a big f**kin lie.
Alien 3 came after Alien, it would have ended, big time!
Thamks for calling me a liar. You asked a question and I answered it. To elaborate, there would be more Alien movies if Aliens hadn't happened. They would likely have been horror films like the first one rather than branching into action adventure territory like Aliens did. Both Aliens and Alien 3 would have been entirely different movies, especially if Ridley was brought back to direct Alien 2.
You are welcome, if you are being dissrespectfull so can i.
So far; so much better than just good.
Also to the group of you who won't stop gripping. Could you guys please stop griping. This is the early reactions to Covenant thread and not the let's gripe about our gripes thread. I mean it's hard to get to the reactions in between all of the griping. Yes and I too, like to gripe myself but it has become annoying as hell.
Now what is this "should've Shaw it coming" thing about? I figure the Alien is the real engineer and there will be 1 million aliens at the end of the movie.
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Seriously guys shut the f**k up
https://twitter.com/Naomikisted/status/860258560818728960
That's the first time I've seen you get mad. ;)
Seriously guys, take that to PMs.
For anyone that has seen the film: How was score? A lot of us have heard much of the soundtrack but was it utilized well in the movie? The "main theme" listed piece (I believe it was Planet 4), had a lot of Goldsmith elements from Alien, so was there a lot of musical callbacks to Alien throughout the film?
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So far; so much better than just good.
Also to the group of you who won't stop gripping. Could you guys please stop griping. This is the early reactions to Covenant thread and not the let's gripe about our gripes thread. I mean it's hard to get to the reactions in between all of the griping. Yes and I too, like to gripe myself but it has become annoying as hell.
Now what is this "should've Shaw it coming" thing about? I figure the Alien is the real engineer and there will be 1 million aliens at the end of the movie.
Ive got 2000 posts, there are 2000 eggs and 2000 embryo's and 2000 years ago space Jesus was murdered, your argument is invalid.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 10:30:54 PM
For anyone that has seen the film: How was score? A lot of us have heard much of the soundtrack but was it utilized well in the movie? The "main theme" listed piece (I believe it was Planet 4), had a lot of Goldsmith elements from Alien, so was there a lot of musical callbacks to Alien throughout the film?
Curious about this too. Also, was there any music from Prometheus in the film?
Oh, and do we learn
anything new about the engineers or the black goo?
The idea that it's more of a direct sequel to Prometheus is awesome news to me.
https://twitter.com/ericvespe/status/860261030852743169
https://twitter.com/ericvespe/status/860261237044764673
What the hell have I just been reading? Stop antagonizing each other and stop calling each other names! Jesus Christ guys, are you adults or not? Don't make me sit here removing people's abilities to post after I get in from the premiere!
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So far; so much better than just good.
Also to the group of you who won't stop gripping. Could you guys please stop griping. This is the early reactions to Covenant thread and not the let's gripe about our gripes thread. I mean it's hard to get to the reactions in between all of the griping. Yes and I too, like to gripe myself but it has become annoying as hell.
Now what is this "should've Shaw it coming" thing about? I figure the Alien is the real engineer and there will be 1 million aliens at the end of the movie.
^^
That was someone who thought they were slick by toeing outside the embargo line. Apparently the source of David's eggs is supposedly something obvious once you "connect the dots" in ALIEN and Prometheus.
Oh and they cut the alien jumping through the corridor scene right? For a second I thought they cut the scene you're using for your signature. :P
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
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Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
So pacing issues again? Similar to Prometheus in that regard? That was my main complaint about P.
As Hicks says, people, if you feel the need to vent, leave the keyboard and breathe, then come back.
Civility towards fellow forum members is a condition of being allowed to continue.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
What would rate on scale of 1 -10, and do you think this will do good for another film
As it stands, I'd say about 6/7. That said I never really trust my first impressions so we'll see after I have chance to think about it (and see it again. Which I will be.)
https://twitter.com/deanrichards/status/860267504828112897
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
Did it feel a bit too short or is that Ridley doesn't leave it enough breathing space? Obviously the original Alien is a bit more slow build and tense. I get the feeling that Ridley is trying too hard to make this a bit more exiting? Is it action/pace at the expense of tension?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
Thank you! I am still quite optimistic and I find that the manner in which the Aliens themselves are going to be handled is touchy for a lot of us so I'll go in with an open mind on the 18th (without reading your full review beforehand, no disrespect, but I don't want my perspective to be shaped beforehand).
One thing though, you mention the movie is brisk. It is 2 hours long, much like Prometheus, so is it a case of the movie just trying to pack in more than it should have and just abruptly jumping between scenes to keep progressing forward as to ensure all elements of the plot are shoved into the 2 hour window?
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As it stands, I'd say about 6/7. That said I never really trust my first impressions so we'll see after I have chance to think about it (and see it again. Which I will be.)
Yeah I'm like that too, will probably need to see it a second time.
Ive always found seeing a movie youre so hyped for the first time, doesn't really sink in right away. And typically when you watch it again it feels more like you are watching the movie, stress free, if that makes sense
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
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Ive always found seeing a movie youre so hyped for the first time, doesn't really sink in right away. And typically when you watch it again it feels more like you are watching the movie, stress free, if that makes sense
Yeah I especially find myself doing that with Star Wars films.
Hicks is it the portrayal of the Aliens you disliked or something to do with their origins? I don't know if you'd be saying too much by revealing that so no worries if you can't. Just worried the Aliens may not act like Aliens but more like dinosaurs.
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
So they've gone the dumb animal route then?
I'm not talking in terms of how it's portrayed in that regards. Sorry to be so cryptic but I can't go into more. It's something I know bothered HuDa and I imagine it's something that'll really bother a lot of you.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Was it like Rogue One were some stuff wasn't in the trailers, or was everything accounted for, and was there a surprise they didn't reveal in them??
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Okay, that bothers me. :-X
Well that sucks. :(
Can you tell if we learn anything new about the engineers or the black goo?
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Thats surely by design, Ridley doesn't repeat himself
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I'm not talking in terms of how it's portrayed in that regards. Sorry to be so cryptic but I can't go into more. It's something I know bothered HuDa and I imagine it's something that'll really bother a lot of you.
How intriguing...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:10:01 PM
I'm not talking in terms of how it's portrayed in that regards. Sorry to be so cryptic but I can't go into more. It's something I know bothered HuDa and I imagine it's something that'll really bother a lot of you.
Hmmm my mind is racing with whacked out ideas of what you mean. Aliens driving space cars?
Im more concerned with Ridleys "dont let it breathe" choppy editing though.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:10:01 PM
I'm not talking in terms of how it's portrayed in that regards. Sorry to be so cryptic but I can't go into more. It's something I know bothered HuDa and I imagine it's something that'll really bother a lot of you.
Hmmm my mind is racing with whacked out ideas of what you mean. Aliens driving space cars?
Im more concerned with Ridleys "dont let it breathe" choppy editing though.
He probably means this
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The aliens smoke cigars in this
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:10:01 PM
I'm not talking in terms of how it's portrayed in that regards. Sorry to be so cryptic but I can't go into more. It's something I know bothered HuDa and I imagine it's something that'll really bother a lot of you.
Hmmm my mind is racing with whacked out ideas of what you mean. Aliens driving space cars?
Im more concerned with Ridleys "dont let it breathe" choppy editing though.
Same. If the aliens are scary, I'm fine but I really hope the movie isn't rushed from beginning to end.
Do they show the alien taking a dump or something?
Or is it that they just don't even bother hiding the alien and it's out running around in broad daylight all the time? I could see that being irksome.
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
I'm guessing the events of this film somehow link directly to the derelict in Alien, and the eggs found within. I've always felt that would be a mistake, so hopefully I'm wrong.
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Thats surely by design, Ridley doesn't repeat himself
The comment by Hicks comes off (at least to me) like they're messing with the continuity/cannon? Which is always annoying.
Not saying it will ruin the movie, but still that stuff just grates me.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Now I'm really curious what it is... ???
I hope it won't ruin the movie for me (or anyone).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
I now know where to set my expectations going in. Thank you, good friend.
lol I've been coming here for years. Every time an alien or predator movie came out there was always tons of fighting the week or two before it came out....especially right before AVP:R
I would recommend everyone relax. It's Ridley Scott after all.
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Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Thats a shame, i wanted the aliens to be awesome. Sounds like they were not so great.
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Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Hey Hicks,
Was at the premiere too, Could you message me with what you believe is the thing fans might find strange, I think I know but want to confirm!
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Thats surely by design, Ridley doesn't repeat himself
The comment by Hicks comes off (at least to me) like they're messing with the continuity/cannon? Which is always annoying.
Not saying it will ruin the movie, but still that stuff just grates me.
What is canon though? I mean, it's not like Alien was all that forthcoming on lore. This is likely Scott filling in the blanks in ways some fans don't like.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Are there editing issues like with Prometheus ( Janek's hat appearing then disappearing)?
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
Thats surely by design, Ridley doesn't repeat himself
The comment by Hicks comes off (at least to me) like they're messing with the continuity/cannon? Which is always annoying.
Not saying it will ruin the movie, but still that stuff just grates me.
What is canon though? I mean, it's not like Alien was all that forthcoming on lore. This is likely Scott filling in the blanks in ways some fans don't like.
I'm thinking it might have to do with
Spoiler
David being the originator of the Alien.
Which I've got mixed feelings about.
Hicks is there anything involving Shaw that we didn't already see in the trailers (hologram) and prologue?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Ugh so now i have to add this to the list alongside the Engineers in Prometheus clearly not looking like the big boy space jockey in alien?
Hicks' take is basically where my expectations have been for awhile now. The movie looks very impressive - the medbay sequence is incredible - and I expect to enjoy it immensely while having issues with the creative direction..
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Could this be written off as these Xenomorphs are not the same as the original big chap? As stated by Ridley himself in interviews that we are not quite there yet to where they are truly unhinged?
That's my current fanon thinking to justify what they did.
Thanks, and this could be interesting. I mean, if viewed as a stepping stone to the original xenomorph (or an awakening of the ancient xenomorph), then I will be fine with it, so long the story is told well.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on May 04, 2017, 11:30:30 PM
Hicks is there anything involving Shaw that we didn't already see in the trailers (hologram) and prologue?
he cant give away plot details man
hmm why can't I post quotes? It's always message board is empty?
The only thing that would piss me off is if David creates the aliens, but I can live with it. So it has to be something else that is unnerving the gang.
the average movie going audience isnt going to give a shit about cannon. If it's fun and pretty to look at, word of mouth will be good and it will make money. It makes money, the next one gets green lit. Ultra Combooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I hope I just get to find out what the black goo is and where it comes from.
This really feels like it's going to be the Alien series' equivalent of The Force Awakens. Generally well-received but a with bit of backlash from some contingents of the hardcore fan base. (That isn't meant as a knock on anyone btw)
At least there won't be any ridiculous controversy over the protagonist's gender! :laugh:
Most of the criticisms seem measured and fair so far, which is good.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on May 04, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
I hope I just get to find out what the black goo is and where it comes from.
Yeah, can anyone who has seen the film tell if we learn anything new about the black goo?
How awesome is the bombing scene? ;D
As long as james franco doesn't save the day... im good ;D
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Quote from: Denton Smalls on May 04, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
I hope I just get to find out what the black goo is and where it comes from.
Yeah, can anyone who has seen the film tell if we learn anything new about the black goo?
I believe it was confirmed earlier in the thread that we do learn more about it.
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I hope I just get to find out what the black goo is and where it comes from.
Yeah, can anyone who has seen the film tell if we learn anything new about the black goo?
I believe it was confirmed earlier in the thread that we do learn more about it.
Well I sure hope so!
Btw, does anyone know why the alien blood looked like the black goo in that Adam Savage clip? Weird.
I decided to do a video on some of the things said, on this thread. I assumed it was alright, seeing as the Embargo wasn't being... transgressed:
It's not the focus of the video, but I do mention Hudafuk and Syntax. Hope that's alright.
Hm sounds to me like good, very good for the general audience not so good for the hardcore fan.
Well i think this film might disappoint me a little.
Thanks mass media. Rot in insignificance hell, if true bla good night
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
So they made that document about the "rules" of the xenomorph and...ignored them?
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https://twitter.com/BJ667/status/860238471717433344
"its more of the same" ?
Oops
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Hm sounds to me like good, very good for the general audience not so good for the hardcore fan.
This ^
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 04, 2017, 11:34:49 PM
the average movie going audience isnt going to give a shit about cannon. If it's fun and pretty to look at, word of mouth will be good and it will make money. It makes money, the next one gets green lit. Ultra Combooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
True, but they could at least stay true to the ideas they came up with. Of course I don't know what Ridley's end game is to all of this.
But you're right, mainstream audiences won't bat an eye.
Getting another BLOCKBUSTER greenlit, - thats your prime target these days, SIR R.?
edit: bla i stop, its just that Hicks really got me worried
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However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
How they are handled in terms of lore/origins or do you mean fx etc?
Not just their origins. It's like Ridley or Logan or Dante or whoever forgot to go and rewatch Alien.
So they made that document about the "rules" of the xenomorph and...ignored them?
If the intent is that we have not yet arrived at the full true Xenomorph just yet, then they did not ignore anything. The xenomorphs in this movie are either precursors or imitations of the true Xeno. I personally believe the next title, named Awakening, will be the awakening of the long dormant ancient Xeno that existed in the original Alien.
well fingers are crossed that ill enjoy this one as much as Prometheus... and yes, i LOVE that friggin movie!!! one of my top 10 favorite movies ever :)
2 weeks from today i get to see it... feels longer than the 5 years leading up to now lol
https://twitter.com/RBoehme86/status/860290120464904192
Sounds like David communicating with the creatures is still in then?
This seems to be matching up with what I predicted: Better at crowd-pleasing scenes than 'Prometheus' was, but more of an attempt to emulate the first two films than being an equal to them.
Hicks, one question..
Spoiler
Does David still have that "playful" moment with the newborn Xenomorph?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 01:08:17 AM
This seems to be matching up with what I predicted: Better at crowd-pleasing scenes than 'Prometheus' was, but more of an attempt to emulate the first two films than being an equal to them.
Doesnt sound like its emulating the first one much though, according to Hicks (brisk, non-lofty, anti-alien).
Quote from: El Diablo on May 05, 2017, 01:13:13 AM
Hicks, one question..
Spoiler
Does David still have that "playful" moment with the newborn Xenomorph?
haha, oh god
In fairness, that's a style he's graduated to in general. Many have commented on how his directing/editing style has become a lot more like his late brother's in the past decade or so.
Thats just the way movies in general have evolved into, unfortunately. Ridley has to evolve but he still remains the best visual director going, along with cameron
'Graduated', 'Degenerated' -- eye of the beholder, i guess
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Thats just the way movies in general have evolved into, unfortunately. Ridley has to evolve but he still remains the best visual director going, along with cameron
hah no ;D - not even eye of the beholder
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 01:42:53 AM
'Graduated', 'Degenerated' -- eye of the beholder, i guess
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Thats just the way movies in general have evolved into, unfortunately. Ridley has to evolve but he still remains the best visual director going, along with cameron
hah no ;D - not even eye of the beholder
Ridley's visual style is top notch.
Regardless of what you think of his films, they are always beautifully shot.
Hes not the best though lol, not even among the best. Say of the Oscars what you will but its not completely random that i dont remember any of his films even being nominated for DOP. Blade Runner wouldve deserved at least a nomination though.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 01:42:53 AM
'Graduated', 'Degenerated' -- eye of the beholder, i guess
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Thats just the way movies in general have evolved into, unfortunately. Ridley has to evolve but he still remains the best visual director going, along with cameron
hah no ;D - not even eye of the beholder
Im guessing english insnt your first language. Can you explain what thats supposed to mean?
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Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 01:42:53 AM
'Graduated', 'Degenerated' -- eye of the beholder, i guess
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Thats just the way movies in general have evolved into, unfortunately. Ridley has to evolve but he still remains the best visual director going, along with cameron
hah no ;D - not even eye of the beholder
Im guessing english insnt your first language. Can you explain what thats supposed to mean?
He's saying (with a little tongue in cheek) Ridley isn't the best or among the best visual directors, even if you want to be subjective about it.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
Hes not the best though lol, not even among the best. Say of the Oscars what you will but its not completely random that i dont remember any of his films even being nominated for DOP. Blade Runner wouldve deserved at least a nomination though.
Who is the best? What does "the best" consist of?
Quote from: Sway on May 05, 2017, 02:21:11 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
Hes not the best though lol, not even among the best. Say of the Oscars what you will but its not completely random that i dont remember any of his films even being nominated for DOP. Blade Runner wouldve deserved at least a nomination though.
Who is the best? What does "the best" consist of?
People can try to elect a "best" at anything by quantifying the amount of positive reaction, but I think that's BS because everyone is entitled to their opinion and there are a lot of sheeple out there who like to jump on the bandwagon and blindly follow a trend, expanding the hype.
In the words of my foreign friend, it's in the "eye of the beholder." Some people might think Uwe Boll is the best director.
Well, maybe not.
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Hes not the best though lol, not even among the best. Say of the Oscars what you will but its not completely random that i dont remember any of his films even being nominated for DOP. Blade Runner wouldve deserved at least a nomination though.
Who is the best? What does "the best" consist of?
People can try to elect a "best" at anything by quantifying the amount of positive reaction, but I think that's BS because everyone is entitled to their opinion and there are a lot of sheeple out there who like to jump on the bandwagon and blindly follow a trend, expanding the hype.
In the words of my foreign friend, it's in the "eye of the beholder." Some people might think Uwe Boll is the best director.
Well, maybe not.
Agreed.
Look if you want to be completely subjective about the topic then hes of course the best visual (are there any non-visual directors in the film industry by the way? :D) director for you, end of discussion.
But on a more objective turf thats more than debatable and concerning his last 10-12 films its not really debatable (maybe with the exception of Gladiator).
Again, that he is among the best is debatable in my opinion. Hes an outstanding "visual" director, no doubt, its just that Barry Lyndon is not a film by R. Scott (marvelously emulated by him though).
Xeno-Shaw
Electric Cigar smoking Aliens
Dead Engineers
Father David
This movie was awesome!
If serious, you might wanna put that AND your signature in spoiler tags? ;D
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 03:17:31 AM
Xeno-Shaw
Electric Cigar smoking Aliens
Dead Engineers
Father David
This movie was awesome!
So that is her fate.... I have only myself to blame for following this thread :laugh: .... by electric cigar smoking aliens I am assuming you mean smoke coming out of their mouths like in alien resurrection? That would be an odd design choice.
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
the signature HIS SIGNATURE
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:23:14 AM
If serious, you might wanna put that AND your signature in spoiler tags? ;D
Damnit... I am about to go chug a few pints of rum to black out and forget I ever read any of this....
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:25:20 AM
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
I can't argue with that. You'd think that would change at some point.
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Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:23:14 AM
If serious, you might wanna put that AND your signature in spoiler tags? ;D
Damnit... I am about to go chug a few pints of rum to black out and forget I ever read any of this....
Not sure if legit though, but sounds kinda plausible --
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Xeno-Shaw
Shite please no!!
If that's true I saw that coming months ago. I'll wait to see the movie and decide if it works.
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:25:20 AM
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
Because they weren't making dumbf**k movies in the 70's and 80's, too?
Alien is a masterpiece. They are still being made, even if not within the confines of the Alien universe. As much as I look forward to seeing Covenant, Ridley was right when he said "the best is cooked". There's only so much that can be done with the story. And like I've stated before, the only "real" Alien film is the original. I'm sure, on his death bed, even Ridley will agree. It's so good, in fact, that it's almost a fluke. For it's era or today's, it will always be remembered as good. Most movies ever made, despite era, have been throwaway.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Ok, looked up a few things, and yeah, I'm near 100% sure he is trolling.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 03:49:31 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Ok, looked up a few things, and yeah, I'm near 100% sure he is trolling.
Before or after the pints? Hope you're right.
Quote from: Sway on May 05, 2017, 03:40:28 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:25:20 AM
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
Because they weren't making dumbf**k movies in the 70's and 80's, too?
Alien is a masterpiece. They are still being made, even if not within the confines of the Alien universe. As much as I look forward to seeing Covenant, Ridley was right when he said "the best is cooked". There's only so much that can be done with the story. And like I've stated before, the only "real" Alien film is the original. I'm sure, on his death bed, even Ridley will agree. It's so good, in fact, that it's almost a fluke. For it's era or today's, it will always be remembered as good. Most movies ever made, despite era, have been throwaway.
Fair point. There are plenty of modern movies that are very good. One of the major factors is social media and the internet in general. Simply put, audiences are just not surprised any more because trailers show too much, message boards, spoilers, all that shit contributes to taking the magic away from movies. We all knew Oram was going to be facehugged in the first trailer. Can you imagine if that was shown in the trailer for Alien? Back then movies pretty much had one trailer and maybe some commercial spots. Now there are trailers for trailers, 2 or 3 full length trailers before a movie comes out, viral videos, its just bannnanas
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:53:50 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 03:49:31 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Ok, looked up a few things, and yeah, I'm near 100% sure he is trolling.
Before or after the pints? Hope you're right.
haha :laugh:
Well before but I am turning in soon... but I just looked up all impressions and hints that people have been dropping here and other places, and compared it to the fact that what he posted and has as his sig pretty jives directly with what his predictions were over the last few weeks posting on here. Bit of late night analytics and in my mind, it don't add up. I could be wrong of course.
Does anybody know if that "green rock" on the alter from Prometheus makes an appearance in Covenant? I mean come on, that's the biggest mystery out there. What the hell was that thing.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:25:20 AM
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
I dont get why he has to adapt in these days, though. There were a lot of shite scifi thrillers around the time Alien was released and he didnt bother copy from them. But now years later as an established director he suddenly needs to enqueue in mediocrity? Way to erode your own memorial.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:01:21 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:25:20 AM
Well back to the point I was trying to make, Movies simply are not the way they used to be. Alien is masterful example of pacing, patience and not showing you everything, Movies audiences and people in general are impatient and dumber. Point I was trying to make, was Ridley is not going to make a movie like the first Alien, He has to adapt with the industry. What that translates to is Alien purists and us nerds on an AVP forum mad because it didn't meet our unreasonable expectations, and mainstream audiences will probably flock to it. I just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director. You certainly have the right to disagree, even if you are wrong :P
I dont get why he has to adapt in these days, though. There were a lot of shite scifi thrillers around the time Alien was released and he didnt bother copy from them. But now years later as an established director he suddenly needs to enqueue in mediocrity? Way to erode your own memorial.
Money my friend. Audiences are retarded. thats why fast and furious breaks box office records every time there is a new one. Studios want faster paced, flashier shit
Ha lol Ridley is what 80? I bet he needs a new wheelchair. Maybe he should stop making 10 movies in 10 years and actually read some of the alternative scripts for his projects. Or/and try to find and involve people who are more like O'Bannon and less like Lindelof (i love Leftovers though btw).
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Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:53:50 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 03:49:31 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Ok, looked up a few things, and yeah, I'm near 100% sure he is trolling.
Before or after the pints? Hope you're right.
haha :laugh:
Well before but I am turning in soon... but I just looked up all impressions and hints that people have been dropping here and other places, and compared it to the fact that what he posted and has as his sig pretty jives directly with what his predictions were over the last few weeks posting on here. Bit of late night analytics and in my mind, it don't add up. I could be wrong of course.
Sounds like debunk for me, Sherlock - thanks for the detective work!
To quote The Dark Crystal, "Another world, another time."
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:05:27 AM
Ha lol Ridley is what 80? I bet he needs a new wheelchair. Maybe he should stop making 10 movies in 10 years and actually read some of the alternative scripts for his projects.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 03:58:28 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:53:50 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 03:49:31 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
Spoiler
Sounds like ultimate body horror show - for Shaw --
If anyone feels like debunking..
Ok, looked up a few things, and yeah, I'm near 100% sure he is trolling.
Before or after the pints? Hope you're right.
haha :laugh:
Well before but I am turning in soon... but I just looked up all impressions and hints that people have been dropping here and other places, and compared it to the fact that what he posted and has as his sig pretty jives directly with what his predictions were over the last few weeks posting on here. Bit of late night analytics and in my mind, it don't add up. I could be wrong of course.
Sounds like debunk for me, Sherlock - thanks for the detective work!
:) Just calling bull-shit where I smell it is all. Regardless, it was a spoiler scare, and I have seen enough on this thread to satiate my curiosity while maintaing my hype without spoiling too much. Anything more is too far in spoiler territory so I'll be avoiding most of these threads until after the 18th when I see it myself.
;D
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight; its Alien VS The Black Hole round 2 only Ridley has changed corners).
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight).
With summer blockbusters, its almost a thing of the past
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 04:31:06 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight).
With summer blockbusters, its almost a thing of the past
I just listed you off the top of my head three recent scifi films that wipe the floor with Prometheus, philosophicalwise and visualwise.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 04:31:06 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight).
With summer blockbusters, its almost a thing of the past
I just listed you off the top of my head three recent scifi films that wipe the floor with Prometheus, philosophicalwise and visualwise.
Those are not big budget summer blockbusters, are they?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
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Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight).
With summer blockbusters, its almost a thing of the past
I just listed you off the top of my head three recent scifi films that wipe the floor with Prometheus, philosophicalwise and visualwise.
Those are not big budget summer blockbusters, are they?
Aeh no? I presented them to show that intelligent non-compliant scifi movies (like Alien) are still possible these days? Which you denied.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:48:53 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
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Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Its still possible to make "slower" more atmospheric scifi movies in these days though if you are willing to come off of those 150++ budgets. Look what Vileneuve did with Arrival, hell look what Glazer did with Under the Skin... (Children of Men VS Prometheus, its not even a fair fight).
With summer blockbusters, its almost a thing of the past
I just listed you off the top of my head three recent scifi films that wipe the floor with Prometheus, philosophicalwise and visualwise.
Those are not big budget summer blockbusters, are they?
Aeh no? I presented them to show that intelligent non-compliant scifi movies (like Alien) are still possible these days? Which you denied.
No. I denied that big budget summer movies are no longer made that way.
Well i picked up the vibe so thankfully im in my right to defend my vision and opinion and not to be scattered as a troll.
Sorry to littered your thread with this emancipated junk.
TBH I don't know why people are mad about cigar smoking aliens. I've always thought that the Alien was the weakest out of the group which includes Marines and Predators because alien intelligence is limited whereas the other 2 would advance overtime. I love the idea. We saw the Queen in ALIENS using the elevator so the cigar smoking part is just the beginning. Soon, Aliens will be able to wield pulse rifles and have shoulder cannons attached to their tails. I'm all in with Ridley Scott on this.
QuoteNo. I denied that big budget summer movies are no longer made that way.
Let me get this. You admit that todays summer block busters are made for "retarded audiences".
Ridley is obviously making one of those right now (at least he did so with Prometheus).
A n d you consider Ridley to be your favourite visual director, even t o d a y.
Well no offense pal, but lol.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 05:02:21 AM
QuoteNo. I denied that big budget summer movies are no longer made that way.
Let me get this though. You admit that todays summer block busters are made for "retarded audiences".
Ridley is obviously making one of those right now (at least he did so with Prometheus).
A n d you consider Ridley to be your favourite visual director, even t o d a y.
Well no offense pal, but lol.
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well all fairness a movie can be visually great but still a shit movie
QuoteI just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director.
Besides im not sure a shit movie can actually be labeled as visually great. I mean these things cant be really seperated in a film, a visual medium, where a story is told in pictures. I admit a film can look good but lack other things but to say a film is visually great literally means that its message is presented in a coherent or otherwise appealing way (like take Lynch where the chaos still makes sense so to speak). If for example in the last third Prometheus is cut to pieces you can maybe say some of the shots presented are somehow beautiful for themselves but you can never say that the whole film looks visually great besides it lacking any coherent story telling in pictures at certain points (besides these beautiful seperate pictures are being badly stringed together from time to time). Thats the main job of the director by the way, in my understanding any way.
To say look what a great looking film but its total shit storytellingwise, that just means not understanding what a film is or should be. You can still look at it but the seperate pictures dont add up to make it a "great" piece of art. The director of such a piece can never be called a good director in my opinion at least not based upon a film that just seems to be visual eye candy.
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860266479664734208
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860272815781621761
Im not understanding why mark cassidy is making definitive statements about the film as if he saw it, then asks if its scary
Quote from: kwisatz on May 05, 2017, 05:09:12 AM
QuoteI just added that he, in my opinion, is the best visual director going. I just threw that in because he is my favorite director.
Besides im not sure a shit movie can actually be labeled as visually great. I mean these things cant be really seperated in a film, a visual medium, where a story is told in pictures. I admit a film can look good but lack other things but to say a film is visually great literally means that its message is presented in a coherent or otherwise appealing way (like take Lynch where the chaos still makes sense so to speak). If for example in the last third Prometheus is cut to pieces you can maybe say some of the shots presented are somehow beautiful for themselves but you can never say that the whole film looks visually great besides it lacking any coherent story telling in pictures at certain points (besides these beautiful seperate pictures are being badly stringed together from time to time). Thats the main job of the director by the way, in my understanding any way.
To say look what a great looking film but its total shit storytellingwise, that just means not understanding what a film is or should be. You can still look at it but the seperate pictures dont add up to make it a "great" piece of art. The director of such a piece can never be called a good director in my opinion at least not based upon a film that just seems to be visual eye candy.
Why are you spamming this thread with this kind of inane critisism? Have you seen the film yet? Is this your critique of it following the premiere?
Whoa. This thread exploded.
I think Corporal Hicks has the same "issue" with Covenant I have.
Although I'm sure most of the Alien fans will love it ... some "hardcore" fans will be displeased with the way things unfold.
Sorry guys. I've noticed several of you have sent me private messages. I'm sorry guys, can't answer those.
I can not, and will not, go into specifics. I'll do my best to answer your questions but, please understand that I have signed an NDA that lifts on sunday (pretty late in the evening).
Please refrain from insulting others. This type of behaviour is not needed.
As long as it's better than or even equal to AVPR I'll be happy.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2017, 06:41:41 AM
As long as it's better than or even equal to AVPR I'll be happy.
Alien Covenant is much better.
Man SyntaX, you really are skirting the line on that NDA. :P
However does that green crystal make an appearance. You know that one from the alter in Prometheus? Besides that, which trailer has the hint.
2 hours doesn't seem long enough for the amount of stuff this film is trying to do. I know some have already mentioned pacing issues so my question is is this a slow burner for the first half hour or so or do we more or less get straight into the action?
I get the impression this may be like AVP in that nothing happens for the first 45 minutes then 20 mins later the film is over.
Another one of my fears is the dreaded speeded up alien life cycle. I have a feeling oram is going to burst within minutes of being facehugged.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 06:46:57 AM
Man SyntaX, you really are skirting the line on that NDA. :P
However does that green crystal make an appearance. You know that one from the alter in Prometheus? Besides that, which trailer has the hint.
I'm not, actually. Once you see the movie and look back at my comments you'll see there's much more to it.
Again, I can not go into specifics.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 05, 2017, 06:47:28 AM
2 hours doesn't seem long enough for the amount of stuff this film is trying to do. I know some have already mentioned pacing issues so my question is is this a slow burner for the first half hour or so or do we more or less get straight into the action?
I get the impression this may be like AVP in that nothing happens for the first 45 minutes then 20 mins later the film is over.
Another one of my fears is the dreaded speeded up alien life cycle. I have a feeling oram is going to burst within minutes of being facehugged.
This movie is, for me, a mix of both. Enough explanation/exploring and a decent amount of action. The build-up, however, is good.
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 06:09:01 AM
Im not understanding why mark cassidy is making definitive statements about the film as if he saw it, then asks if its scary
Think he was talking about Prometheus there, otherwise what he said wouldn't make sense lol
The thread grew because there was a lot of non-sense posts, so much that I didn't bother to go back and read most of it. However, did you like the movie? At the same time were you disappointed in it or not?
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
hmm, as an American I have to wait till the 18th to see this... where as most of the free world gets to see it on the 11th... the beans are going to be spilled regardless. :(
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Wait, the aliens aren't smoking cigars? I thought maybe Cubans were the engineers smoke of choice and that perhaps David would light them up whenever a xeno does a trick.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2017, 06:41:41 AM
As long as it's better than or even equal to AVPR I'll be happy.
I havent seen the film yet and i will tell you its better than avpr
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 07:01:34 AM
The thread grew because there was a lot of non-sense posts, so much that I didn't bother to go back and read most of it. However, did you like the movie? At the same time were you disappointed in it or not?
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
hmm, as an American I have to wait till the 18th to see this... where as most of the free world gets to see it on the 11th... the beans are going to be spilled regardless. :(
I know more than what A:C reveals. Wanna bet David is the fossilized Engineer in the first ALIEN movie? Since Ridley Scott retcon alot of shit in A:C, I know this is the obvious direction he is taking. David is the King Android who created the Aliens. He despises Humanity. He is the hybrid synthetic fossilized Engineer seen in the first Alien movie. Its already alluded when Fire and Stone had the Synthetic Elden turned into a giant synthetic engineer when he was exposed to the black goo. Anyways, David created the Alien eggs as a payload he plans to drop on planet Earth. He does not succeed but his legacy lives on as Ash encounters the Alien. David's will carries on into the androids on planet Earth to rebel against their creators. f**king quote this shit down because in a few years, you'll know i'm a f**king Prophet.
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
You are right.
I won't spill the beans.
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Stop trolling.
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Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
You are right.
I won't spill the beans.
heh! don't matter. I've already spilled the beans even before the movie came out. People were denying what I said. Here is my next prediction. David becomes the giant synthetic engineer and gets chestbursted which leads us into the first ALIEN movie.
I don't think you wanna push it, this thread spilled more than the beans earlier. Still, it stink that I have to wait a week longer than most of you to see the greatest movie of the year.
LONG time lurker.... new poster. Always an amazing experience on forums when a new film comes out. I am one of the US crowd waiting for this to release. Got tickets for 7pm MST 5/18 in colorado and cannot wait to see everything I have read on various oulets on the big screen. Pretty sure I know what is going to happen already, but my hype level could not be more elevated.
**** edit due to English being hard *** :)
Just with a Yes/No the 'issue' does concern the Alien?
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If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Stop trolling.
I just read your short review of the movie Hicks.
Seems you have the same "issue" (if you can call it that) with the movie I have.
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Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Stop trolling.
I just read your short review of the movie Hicks.
Seems you have the same "issue" (if you can call it that) with the movie I have.
Oh man, they screwed something up big time. Didn't they. You don't have to answer that. :'(
So the term "Covenant" is literally, exactly that.
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If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
Stop trolling.
I just read your short review of the movie Hicks.
Seems you have the same "issue" (if you can call it that) with the movie I have.
Oh man, they screwed something up big time. Didn't they. You don't have to answer that. :'(
They didn't screw up anything.
Alien Covenant actually does a good job at answering
and raising questions. Again, keep in mind that Alien Covenant was made with sequels in mind. Some of those questions are answered within the movie itself while others will be answered in the coming sequels (if they are coming!)
There's a decent amount of stuff that Alien Covenant adds to the lore of the Alien franchise. To me, that's a great thing ... despite the questions being raised in the movie itself. As I've stated before, I would've loved that the Xenomorph origin remain a mystery for a bit longer. It still is ... but ... well. :laugh:
Apologies if this was answered but the thread is hard to browse because of juvenile fights going on but is there anything not spoiled by leaks and marketing material? I am guessing Shaw is the last hope for a twist here
And how was Katherine in her role? How was her character?
Oh thanks, SyntaX, you had me worried there for a moment.
However I'm suspecting that we learn why the engineers are all dudes... do they have a Queen?
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 07:50:29 AM
Oh thanks, SyntaX, you had me worried there for a moment.
However I'm suspecting that we learn why the engineers are all dudes... do they have a Queen?
No. They're an asexual all-male species. This is why they rely on genetic engineering a lot. They might have an intense hatred for women if you notice the way the Engineer gave the women the stink eye in Prometheus probably because of what Eve did to Adam.
Quote from: harlequinade on May 05, 2017, 07:40:18 AM
Apologies if this was answered but the thread is hard to browse because of juvenile fights going on but is there anything not spoiled by leaks and marketing material? I am guessing Shaw is the last hope for a twist here
And how was Katherine in her role? How was her character?
You already know the answer to that.
Quote from: harlequinade on May 05, 2017, 07:40:18 AM
Apologies if this was answered but the thread is hard to browse because of juvenile fights going on but is there anything not spoiled by leaks and marketing material? I am guessing Shaw is the last hope for a twist here
And how was Katherine in her role? How was her character?
She was just another Ripley rip-off.
Are there any flashbacks?
Well except for the Weyland one durrr --
Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Once you watch the movie, you'll retract your statement. :)
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Once you watch the movie, you'll retract your statement. :)
Just like you've seen it, right?
Runner, last warning. Stop trolling and spreading misinformation or I'll ban you again and you wont be able to post full-stop.
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Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Once you watch the movie, you'll retract your statement. :)
Just like you've seen it, right?
He might have.
He might not.
The NDA I had to sign actually had a decent amount of space to fill in if I was an active member on Internet Forums connected to the Alien franchise. I filled in yes ;) ... AvP Galaxy is an active community regarding Alien or Predator news. Even though it
might be safe for me to spoil the entire movie ... I'd rather not risk a fine, ban or whatever. So, I'm going to behave untill sunday/monday.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 05, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Once you watch the movie, you'll retract your statement. :)
Just like you've seen it, right?
He might have.
He might not.
I sign NDAs for this business all the time for work. He's just trolling because he's annoyed about the movie. I don't think AC is a wealth of new ideas myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to fling shit everywhere about it. If nothing else it looks like a solid time at the movies and a fun, well-made
Alien movie. I don't need to troll it to make my points.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
Man, that is bad to hear, the editing in Prometheus was a mess, it was so obvious it got chopped at last minute
I have read too much spoilers by the other guy who saw it in here, i just have one question: it continues the story of Prometheus in any meaningful way, or it is kinda left aside? because so far this seem a lot more like an Alien prequel than a Prometheus sequel if you know what i mean, and i liked Prometheus and i really want to see how the story goes after that great ending
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 08:16:34 AM
Even though it might be safe for me to spoil the entire movie ... I'd rather not risk a fine, ban or whatever. So, I'm going to behave untill sunday/monday.
Definitely no point risking it
It won't be long until lots of reviews are out anyway
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 07:55:59 AM
Quote from: harlequinade on May 05, 2017, 07:40:18 AM
Apologies if this was answered but the thread is hard to browse because of juvenile fights going on but is there anything not spoiled by leaks and marketing material? I am guessing Shaw is the last hope for a twist here
And how was Katherine in her role? How was her character?
You already know the answer to that.
If I did I wouldnt be asking
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 03:17:31 AM
Xeno-Shaw
Electric Cigar smoking Aliens
Dead Engineers
Father David
This movie was awesome!
bro, or you tell me that is a joke, or you put a spoiler tag on it RIGHT NOW or i will report your account
You can safely ignore all of it, D88M.
Still the heavy hitters of AVPGalaxy do have me wondering just what it is that irks them.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 01:08:17 AM
This seems to be matching up with what I predicted: Better at crowd-pleasing scenes than 'Prometheus' was, but more of an attempt to emulate the first two films than being an equal to them.
it does seems like a Alien reboot, all movies are doing that now
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 05:52:39 AM
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860266479664734208
https://twitter.com/arcticninjapaul/status/860272815781621761
Complex is Good
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 05, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
If Syntax won't spill the beans. I will. PM me if interested.
if you are not allowed to say anything until sunday, then dont, be mature, you already (i sincerely hope not) spoiled me information, which is totally rude and selfish on your part (and i repeat, PUT A SPOILER TAG, or i will report you), so, please, dont
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 08:27:30 AM
You can safely ignore all of it, D88M.
Still the heavy hitters of AVPGalaxy do have me wondering just what it is that irks them.
i dont get if this guy is trolling or what, but if he is trying to make people angry, he did it, i will ignore it, is there any way of blocking an user to not see his posts in here?
i want to leave the forum but i really want to know what Hicks and Syntax thinks of the movie, i dont want anymore spoilers, i had more than enough, just know if it is good and how does it work as a Prometheus sequel/Alien prequel
Edit: Man we really need a blocking option in here
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago and become fossilized.
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Hardcore alien fans seem to like the movie but they don't love it. The causal fans seem to like the movie way more at the moment. There does seem to be something in the movie that has gotten the hardcore fans upset though. Enough so to question if Ridley and co. even bothered to watch alien. When someone says that... it carries weight.
We all know that the actual creator of the xeno is ..... HR and Ridley after a late night coke fueled brainstorming session :)
Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
Can somebody tell me what the cigar smoking aliens is all about please? I've been through the thread but can't see where it originates from. I'm assuming it's somebody's attempt at wit.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
Hardcore alien fans seem to like the movie but they don't love it. The causal fans seem to like the movie way more at the moment. There does seem to be something in the movie that has gotten the hardcore fans upset though. Enough so to question if Ridley and co. even bothered to watch alien. When someone says that... it carries weight.
yeah that has me worried, but still i will watch it as a movie and then i will think about lore and etcetera, if the movie is good, which seems to be, it can be forgiven, tough it seems they mess up an important part of continuity, i liked Prometheus btw, not terrible, not great (though it does have some pretty good moments)
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
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I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
Can somebody tell me what the cigar smoking aliens is all about please? I've been through the thread but can't see where it originates from. I'm assuming it's somebody's attempt at wit.
I don't remember who started it in this thread, I thought someone joked about it before that Alien Runner guy but I couldn't find it, but it's pretty much become shorthand for whatever unknown changes to the xeno that fly in the face of how they've been handled before. I assumed it was a reference to the cigar-chomping android xeno from the comics, or the ending of the first story in that recent Bug Hunt book.
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Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
I can't go into specifics.
The lore that was setup by Alien/Aliens got shaken up a but in Prometheus. Alien Covenant actually continues that.
Like I said before, some will "hate" this movie, some won't.
In the end, I think, it all comes down to what you hope to see in a movie.
Now, Alien Covenant isn't a bad movie ... for me, it was better than Prometheus. But some things could have been done slightly better.
The alien smoking a cigar is in reference to Ridley's smoking a cigar. He apparently enjoys a fine cigar from time to time. At least I think that is what it's about.
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Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
I can't go into specifics.
The lore that was setup by Alien/Aliens got shaken up a but in Prometheus. Alien Covenant actually continues that.
Like I said before, some will "hate" this movie, some won't.
Hard to hate what I don't know. :P
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
I can't go into specifics.
The lore that was setup by Alien/Aliens got shaken up a but in Prometheus. Alien Covenant actually continues that.
Like I said before, some will "hate" this movie, some won't.
hey bro, can i ask you a spoiler free question? the same i made to Hicks: does Covenant continues the story of Prometheus in any meaningful way, or it is kinda left aside more like a subplot? because so far this seem a lot more like an Alien prequel than a Prometheus sequel if you know what i mean, and i liked Prometheus and i really want to see how the story goes after that great ending, i know David is one of the main protagonists and that Shaw will appear in some form and that they do continue the story from Prometheus, what i ask is more something like, how much?
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
I'm pretty happy with the reactions I've heard so far. While I am curious to know what exactly is bothering Hicks and Syntax, they've dropped enough hints that I'm confident it won't be something that bothers me. The Alien is handled vastly different in every movie already and I like treating each movie in a franchise like its own discrete interpretation anyway. I'm all-in on the cigar-smoking aliens.
I can't go into specifics.
The lore that was setup by Alien/Aliens got shaken up a but in Prometheus. Alien Covenant actually continues that.
Like I said before, some will "hate" this movie, some won't.
In the end, I think, it all comes down to what you hope to see in a movie.
Now, Alien Covenant isn't a bad movie ... for me, it was better than Prometheus. But some things could have been done slightly better.
My only fear with Covenant was that it was going to be Jurassic World with Xenomorphs. "Bigger," explodier, crass, cynical and only superficially enjoyable- I hated that movie even if it was a fun watch.
I loved Prometheus, so I assume that if you liked it more than Prometheus, I will really love Covenant.
From the sounds of it, Alien: Covenant is Prometheus 2.
Prometheus was "slow". It had action ... but you could compare it with Alien.
Alien Covenant, to me, feels like Aliens. It has a decent mix of both.
Thanks for clearing up the cigar issue, MajorB and whiterabbit.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
Brisk? I didn't mind the way Prometheus was edited or chopped if you prefer. The script was an issue.
The way Alien's are handled? Do you mean CGI? The way the move? Or something story-wise?
I'm assuming we're going to get a very clever, problem solving, xeno... and some (myself included probably) prefer the notion of the xeno being a primeval beast relying on instinct rather than intellect....
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
Brisk? I didn't mind the way Prometheus was edited or chopped if you prefer. The script was an issue.
The way Alien's are handled? Do you mean CGI? The way the move? Or something story-wise?
My guess is its either story wise or that theres a really quick face hugger to chest burster turn around.
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Quote from: Ingwar on May 05, 2017, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
Brisk? I didn't mind the way Prometheus was edited or chopped if you prefer. The script was an issue.
The way Alien's are handled? Do you mean CGI? The way the move? Or something story-wise?
My guess is its either story wise or that theres a really quick face hugger to chest burster turn around.
I agree. I'm imagining Oram's chestburst happens very quickly after being facehugged.
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 05, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
I'm assuming we're going to get a very clever, problem solving, xeno... and some (myself included probably) prefer the notion of the xeno being a primeval beast relying on instinct rather than intellect....
Well, they could go ahead and take it in the King Kong direction. The alien falls in love with the heroine.
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Quote from: Ingwar on May 05, 2017, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
Brisk? I didn't mind the way Prometheus was edited or chopped if you prefer. The script was an issue.
The way Alien's are handled? Do you mean CGI? The way the move? Or something story-wise?
My guess is its either story wise or that theres a really quick face hugger to chest burster turn around.
I agree. I'm imagining Oram's chestburst happens very quickly after being facehugged.
I wouldn't mind that at all. Xenomorph is
Covenant is non-mechanical. It's pure bio therefore its biological structure is simpler that bio-mechanical therefore it grows and bursts quicker. Besides, look at Neomorphs and they way they grow!
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That concept art posted in the Tested YouTube video is not what sh...
Damn :laugh:
Her fate and story will be made clear.
All I really want to know is: Was the ending satisfying? Once the credits hit, did it leave you feeling like a lot was missing (much like Prometheus for a lot of us), or were you satisfied, overall?
Covenant does a much better job at tying loose ends. Then again, it does leave alot of room for speculation. I'm sure questions raised in Covenant will be answered in the coming sequels.
I'll give you guys this.
Don't you guys find it strange that there's a Facehugger egg in Alien Covenant?
Pretty strange huh? We all know who lays those eggs. Or, do we? ;) 8)
Looooong time lurker, but had to jump in and contribute. I've always assumed this was Shaw, having been experimented on by David, and his obsession with the black goo.
Spoiler
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Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 05, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
I'm assuming we're going to get a very clever, problem solving, xeno... and some (myself included probably) prefer the notion of the xeno being a primeval beast relying on instinct rather than intellect....
Well, they could go ahead and take it in the King Kong direction. The alien falls in love with the heroine.
Didn't they kinda sorta try that with Alien Resurrection?
Ripley was all grinding up on some Xenos. I mean, I didn't see any ballgags or blindfolds get pulled out but still I got the distinct impression she was getting her f**k on.
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Runner is trolling, and it seems pointless. I'm not thrilled with some of the story turns in this movie either but that doesn't mean I have to just ramble nonsense.
Once you watch the movie, you'll retract your statement. :)
Just like you've seen it, right?
He might have.
He might not.
The NDA I had to sign actually had a decent amount of space to fill in if I was an active member on Internet Forums connected to the Alien franchise. I filled in yes ;) ... AvP Galaxy is an active community regarding Alien or Predator news. Even though it might be safe for me to spoil the entire movie ... I'd rather not risk a fine, ban or whatever. So, I'm going to behave untill sunday/monday.
No offense but did anyone from Fox get in touch with you after you basically spoiled Shaw's role early in the thread by heavily implying her connection, assuming they monitor this stuff?
I know I'm tempting fate by being on this forum 2 weeks from release while people have already seen the film but dude....spoiler tags are your friend.
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
"Complex" well this is not saying anything for me because there are people who think Prometheus was a smart and complex movie and people are hating it because they are too dumb to understand it lol.
Looks like this movie will rape Alien lore again,Xenomorphs will not have a mystery around them anymore.
Also are there dumb character behavior like in Prometheus? (we already have people on alien planet without helmets).
Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Dude...the NDA is for a few days. They're literally asking him to hold his review for less than a week, not a month.
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Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Dude...the NDA is for a few days. They're literally asking him to hold his review for less than a week, not a month.
And he has.
https://twitter.com/RichieDriss/status/860447125364256768
So what's the big deal about the delay?
Is it some kind of test he must pass? Will he get his pay docked? Will he - or anyone else who's seen it - be less privileged for having seen an early showing? Fox calling the shots is one thing - but come on. Why shouldn't people be permitted to talk freely about it once they've seen it.
It's complete bullshit. Fox want's to keep it a secret - but not a secret for very long. lol. Just another bullshit embargo.
-Windebieste.
NDAs are a fact of life.
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
I'm not sure we could ask for much more considering the greater influence of research groups, executive producers and studios these days.
Reactions sound excellent overall, but the A-list reviewers really hold the aces - let's see what they say over the weekend.
Fox wouldn't have blown this much on a marketing campaign nor brought the film forward to blockbuster season if they felt it couldn't compete. I think we're onto a winner.
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Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
Hicks, what is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included). Please ;D
;D ;D
Covenant is a winner?
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on May 05, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
Reactions sound excellent overall, but the A-list reviewers really hold the aces - let's see what they say over the weekend.
Honestly, I'm more interested to read what Hicks, HuDaFuk and others here that saw it have to say about it.
Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
So what's the big deal about the delay?
Is it some kind of test he must pass? Will he get his pay docked? Will he - or anyone else who's seen it - be less privileged for having seen an early showing? Fox calling the shots is one thing - but come on. Why shouldn't people be permitted to talk freely about it once they've seen it.
It's complete bullshit. Fox want's to keep it a secret - but not a secret for very long. lol. Just another bullshit embargo.
-Windebieste.
You sign an NDA because they do not want other's to leak the movie before it gets released. There's a reason the reviews are dripping onto the internet now. They serve only one purpose; making sure people are getting exited to go and see the movie. You don't want to have a regular, like me, spoil the entire movie now would you? They invite several people from the press or fan-sites and allow them to see the movie a solid week before it is released. Those persons peak others interest. That's how marketing works.
A review can make or brake someone's interest to see it. If there's alot of negative press surrounding the movie, people tend to just wait untill it gets released on the intern... i mean, BluRay :laugh:
My rating so far (and I'll see it again somewhere next week)
Alien
Aliens
Alien : Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3
Alien : Ressurection.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
Apologies if this has been answered -- but did you get to have your sit down with Ridley and cast, Hicks?
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 11:22:15 AM
You don't want to have a regular, like me, spoil the entire movie now would you?
Entire movie? No, to reassure me (and others) that David did not create Xenomorphs and only replicated what the Engineers
already created? Yes, please do! :laugh:
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
Apologies if this has been answered -- but did you get to have your sit down with Ridley and cast, Hicks?
Heh! I wished something like this happened during my screening.
We got informed about the consequences if we "talked" or "made recordings in any way". After everyone was seated, security checked each person before the movie finally started. Didn't get to see/talk Ridley Scott or the cast but the cinema did tell us "... the cast and crew would like to welcome to you this advanced screening of Alien Covenant. They hope you enjoy this movie as much as they enjoyed making it. Enjoy!"
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
As I said, it doesn't contradict anything in Alien. And, speaking personally, I'm not really bothered about any of the films post Aliens timeline (although I acknowledge that some are). Most of the lore is based off EU and our own interpretations. It's open to be reshaped. As I said, I'm not a lover of retconning per se, but more films invariably leads to playing with the form etc.
Studios are risk averse. The last thing they want is someone with a twitter following trouncing their film. Thing is though, most of the tweeters above make a living from the entertainment industry, thrive on access and would never dream of upsetting anyone. Give people a few drinks, show them some cool stuff and feed their need to feel important, and hey-presto: lots of positive tweets, even if the film sucks, because you want to be invited to the next one. Simples.
Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Not necessarily. What else they can do to prevent negative reviews (because you never know) and spoilers to be published? It's business and they want to make as much as possible. Besides, embargo stops on Saturday, few days before worldwide premiere.
Can anyone comment on the Xenomorph's movement? Is it similar to Isolation's xenomorph or more animalistic on all fours?
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 11:22:15 AM
My rating so far (and I'll see it again somewhere next week)
Alien
Aliens
Alien : Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3
Alien : Ressurection.
I'd take that...
While NDAs are standard it is amusing they bothered with this when the 90% of the plot has been on the net for months now
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
As I said, it doesn't contradict anything in Alien. And, speaking personally, I'm not really bothered about any of the films post Aliens timeline (although I acknowledge that some are). Most of the lore is based off EU and our own interpretations. It's open to be reshaped. As I said, I'm not a lover of retconning per se, but more films invariably leads to playing with the form etc.
Like I said, It depends. If the SJ and the derelict are meant to be ancient then it would be a contradiction, even if it wasn't ancient. The fact that the Derelict was supposed to be around before Prometheus (judging by deleted info regarding the signal that David picked up) then the Derelict and its cargo predated David's experiments in Covenant. The engineer corpses as the result of the LV-233 outbreak (which happened 2000 years ago I think) looked fresher than the corpse in Alien. Dallas was no scientist, but the body does look fossilized....of course that is almost its own contradiction as I believe only bones are supposed to do that... not metal suits.
Long time lurker here just throwing in my two cents First of all concerning people digging for spoiler info: be patient. Only a week to go for us in the UK and another for the US. We've waited years for this movie we can wait a week or two, so don't pester the lads who have seen it. I'm guessing Hicks and the others are dying to get their opinions out but legally they can't just yet. As we say in Scotland "gee them peace!"
I'm sure everyone is gonna find things about this movie they like or dislike. Concerning the aliens mythos and origins I think no matter what is released that fox calls 'canon' we all still have our ideas.
I still regard the xenomorphs as an ancient and primordial force from somewhere mysterious and dark in the universe. Somewhere that's better left undiscovered. But like I said this is my two cents and I hope everyone comes away from this movie with at least a smile on their face and a sense of money well spent.
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
AvP Rage War novel (canon) claim that alien it's ancient creature.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:42:19 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 05, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
As I said, it doesn't contradict anything in Alien. And, speaking personally, I'm not really bothered about any of the films post Aliens timeline (although I acknowledge that some are). Most of the lore is based off EU and our own interpretations. It's open to be reshaped. As I said, I'm not a lover of retconning per se, but more films invariably leads to playing with the form etc.
Like I said, It depends. If the SJ and the derelict are meant to be ancient then it would be a contradiction, even if it wasn't ancient. The fact that the Derelict was supposed to be around before Prometheus (judging by deleted info regarding the signal that David picked up) then the Derelict and its cargo predated David's experiments in Covenant. The engineer corpses as the result of the LV-233 outbreak (which happened 2000 years ago I think) looked fresher than the corpse in Alien. Dallas was no scientist, but the body does look fossilized....of course that is almost its own contradiction as I believe only bones are supposed to do that... not metal suits.
Just a quick clarification, the suits were not metal, they were very clearly organic. The engineer who woke up literally had it melding in and out of his skin. The exo skeleton that surrounded him was very likely, like most of their technology, biological in nature.
As an aside, what signal did David pick up that establishes a locked date for the crashed juggernaut? Do you mean the signal he sends out in Covenant?
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Quote from: Darth Vile on May 05, 2017, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
AvP Rage War novel (canon) claim that alien it's ancient creature.
I'm willing to bet a gazillion pounds that Ridley hasn't even heard of AvP Rage War let alone consider it to be canon inside of the universe he is building.
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
As I said, it doesn't contradict anything in Alien. And, speaking personally, I'm not really bothered about any of the films post Aliens timeline (although I acknowledge that some are). Most of the lore is based off EU and our own interpretations. It's open to be reshaped. As I said, I'm not a lover of retconning per se, but more films invariably leads to playing with the form etc.
Like I said, It depends. If the SJ and the derelict are meant to be ancient then it would be a contradiction, even if it wasn't ancient. The fact that the Derelict was supposed to be around before Prometheus (judging by deleted info regarding the signal that David picked up) then the Derelict and its cargo predated David's experiments in Covenant. The engineer corpses as the result of the LV-233 outbreak (which happened 2000 years ago I think) looked fresher than the corpse in Alien. Dallas was no scientist, but the body does look fossilized....of course that is almost its own contradiction as I believe only bones are supposed to do that... not metal suits.
Just a quick clarification, the suits were not metal, they were very clearly organic. The engineer who woke up literally had it melding in and out of his skin. The exo skeleton that surrounded him was very likely, like most of their technology, biological in nature.
As an aside, what signal did David pick up that establishes a locked date for the crashed juggernaut? Do you mean the signal he sends out in Covenant?
I meant the exo suits but fair point.
The signal that the Nostromo picked up, David also picked it up in a deleted scene or something in Prometheus but ignored in favor of LV-233, meaning that the Derelict along with its cargo existed before David started doing his lab experiments to replicate the Xeno.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:42:19 AM
Like I said, It depends. If the SJ and the derelict are meant to be ancient then it would be a contradiction, even if it wasn't ancient. The fact that the Derelict was supposed to be around before Prometheus (judging by deleted info regarding the signal that David picked up) then the Derelict and its cargo predated David's experiments in Covenant. The engineer corpses as the result of the LV-233 outbreak (which happened 2000 years ago I think) looked fresher than the corpse in Alien. Dallas was no scientist, but the body does look fossilized....of course that is almost its own contradiction as I believe only bones are supposed to do that... not metal suits.
But there's nothing in Alien that categorically states that the derelict and SJ are 'ancient'. Dallas mentions that it looks fossilised, but that's about it. It's all assumed. Nothing is contradicted, apart from perhaps the proportions of the SJ... which is more artistic license than anything.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on May 05, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
I'm not sure we could ask for much more considering the greater influence of research groups, executive producers and studios these days.
Reactions sound excellent overall, but the A-list reviewers really hold the aces - let's see what they say over the weekend.
Fox wouldn't have blown this much on a marketing campaign nor brought the film forward to blockbuster season if they felt it couldn't compete. I think we're onto a winner.
Transformers movies have massive marketing campaigns but I don't know if you would consider those movies 'winners' in the way I think you are using the word. They are winners in the fact that they generate a lot of money for the studio but, critically, they are usually firmly in the loser category. The same can be said for the most recent WB movies around the DC Universe.
Also, these early reactions are nearly always universally positive. Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad, etc. all had glowing 'early' reviews. Once critics were actually allowed to write about it, a much more accurate view got out there.
All of this is not to say this movie won't be good or enjoyable. Just that nothing that has happened so far has been any different than any other movie in this category.
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Like I said, It depends. If the SJ and the derelict are meant to be ancient then it would be a contradiction, even if it wasn't ancient. The fact that the Derelict was supposed to be around before Prometheus (judging by deleted info regarding the signal that David picked up) then the Derelict and its cargo predated David's experiments in Covenant. The engineer corpses as the result of the LV-233 outbreak (which happened 2000 years ago I think) looked fresher than the corpse in Alien. Dallas was no scientist, but the body does look fossilized....of course that is almost its own contradiction as I believe only bones are supposed to do that... not metal suits.
But there's nothing in Alien that categorically states that the derelict and SJ are 'ancient'. Dallas mentions that it looks fossilised, but that's about it. It's all assumed. Nothing is contradicted, apart from perhaps the proportions of the SJ... which is more artistic license than anything.
Fair point but there are other sources (but you already commented about that) and then there is the deleted scene in Prometheus, while deleted content is technically scrapped content and thus non-canon, there are cases where such content was intended to be in the final film i.e Aliens special edition, not sure on Prometheus status regarding their deleted scenes.
In anycase, the Derelict was going to be referenced via a signal, meaning it and it's cargo predate (or was going to) David's actions in Covenant.
So without venturing into spoiler territory, I will say that I think I know what the issue might be and I've said it before. The xenomorph as we know it is not intended to exist in Alien Covenant. The aliens we see in it are a precursor or imitation of the true 'big chap'. That would explain differences in what we have come to expect. The next title is said to be called Awakening. What needs to be "awakened" if not once active but now dormant? The true xenomorph. We are just not there yet fellas.
Maybe that was not made clear in the film and people are taking the aliens in Covenant as the definitive Xenomorph, hence pissing in the morning cheerios of a lot of die hard Alien fans (and why casual fans are not aware and just really like the movie for what it is). But Ridley Scott has HIMSELF said that we are not there yet in regards to seeing the true "big chap" xenomorph.
Just my thoughts without having seen it myself, but what sounds like is going on.
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
So without venturing into spoiler territory, I will say that I think I know what the issue might be and I've said it before. The xenomorph as we know it is not intended to exist in Alien Covenant. The aliens we see in it are a precursor or imitation of the true 'big chap'. That would explain differences in what we have come to expect. The next title is said to be called Awakening. What needs to be "awakened" if not once active but now dormant? The true xenomorph. We are just not there yet fellas.
Maybe that was not made clear in the film and people are taking the aliens in Covenant as the definitive Xenomorph, hence pissing in the morning cheerios of a lot of die hard Alien fans (and why casual fans are not aware and just really like the movie for what it is). But Ridley Scott has HIMSELF said that we are not there yet in regards to seeing the true "big chap" xenomorph.
Just my thoughts without having seen it myself, but what sounds like is going on.
I could absolutely live with that being the case.
Will this film make rewatching Prometheus a better experience?
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Apologies if this was answered but the thread is hard to browse because of juvenile fights going on but is there anything not spoiled by leaks and marketing material? I am guessing Shaw is the last hope for a twist here
And how was Katherine in her role? How was her character?
You already know the answer to that.
::)
Hmm all this talk about controversial creature behaviour is making me think Ridley has brought back something along the lines of the ending he wanted for Alien.
i for one don't rally care if that is a suit or an alien corps or weather it was crafted from metal, plastic or the intestines of dead infants. .or whatever. .it's just a pity that dalles said it's looks to be 2000 old. .i don't care if they throw that ussumption out the window, it's of no great significance to me in anycase. .idon't like it if their is huge contradictions within a franchise either. .but something like that is minor detail. .besides it was never confirmed how old it really was. .i have to say that seeing how others deem it as such a massive issue makes me kinda wonder if i am missing something?. . .or maybe i am not as big a geek as i previously thought?
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
Hicks, what is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included). Please ;D
;D ;D
Covenant is a winner?
I can never pick a favourite out of the original trilogy so it'd go - Alien/s/3, Covenant, Prometheus, Resurrection.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 05, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
Apologies if this has been answered -- but did you get to have your sit down with Ridley and cast, Hicks?
That's tomorrow. :)
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 05, 2017, 12:09:23 PM
Will this film make rewatching Prometheus a better experience?
That's What I want to know.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
So without venturing into spoiler territory, I will say that I think I know what the issue might be and I've said it before. The xenomorph as we know it is not intended to exist in Alien Covenant. The aliens we see in it are a precursor or imitation of the true 'big chap'. That would explain differences in what we have come to expect. The next title is said to be called Awakening. What needs to be "awakened" if not once active but now dormant? The true xenomorph. We are just not there yet fellas.
Maybe that was not made clear in the film and people are taking the aliens in Covenant as the definitive Xenomorph, hence pissing in the morning cheerios of a lot of die hard Alien fans (and why casual fans are not aware and just really like the movie for what it is). But Ridley Scott has HIMSELF said that we are not there yet in regards to seeing the true "big chap" xenomorph.
Just my thoughts without having seen it myself, but what sounds like is going on.
I am hoping that the Xenos in Covenant are only
replications of true Xenos as well. Casual fans may not care because they are either not as invested in the franchise as we are or are simply not as savvy when it comes to the lore and thus don't know about the Covenant Xenos differences or David creating those versions.
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
Hicks, what is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included). Please ;D
;D ;D
Covenant is a winner?
I can never pick a favourite out of the original trilogy so it'd go - Alien/s/3, Covenant, Prometheus, Resurrection.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 05, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
Apologies if this has been answered -- but did you get to have your sit down with Ridley and cast, Hicks?
That's tomorrow. :)
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
Quote from: Infected on May 05, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
David has no knowledge of the Deacon.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 05, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
Alien 3 was not the best but considering it came after a movie that raised the bar high and the infamous production problems Alien 3 had, its surprising that it was as good as it was. Magic egg and sucker punch of the intro deaths aside, the film was good, the tone of the film was all about despair and hopelessnes.
If Alien: Covenant is better (in your opinion of course) than Alien 3, Resurrection and Prometheus, then that it gives me some hope but since we all have different opinons and the fact that those movies were not the highest point in the series, I still won't get my hopes too high.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
Fox unfortunately, overules Scott since they hold the rights, and it was mostly the devs that said that about A;CM.
The mural may not been a Deacon, especially when one considers the elaborate events needed to create a Deacon.
I'd be worried if Alien 3 was deemed better than Covenant. Whilst I love its production design, the actors and general cinematography, Alien 3 really is a fine example of executive interference, no central creative control/vision, and a script written on the fly...
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
What is canon? ;)
The movies are the only thing that are canon. I don't see the comic books, toys or whatsoever being part of the lore.
As far as I know, David has no knowledge of the Daecon. He only made sure Shaw's boyfriend got infected which, in turn, infected her. He was intrigued by what would come out of Shaw. The outcome of his experiment.
Again, he has no knowledge what would happen if "Tentacle" infected the Engineer.
Neither he or Shaw knew it was capable of infecting anyone in the first place.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 05, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
Alien 3 was not the best but considering it came after a movie that raised the bar high and the infamous production problems Alien 3 had, its surprising that it was as good as it was. Magic egg and sucker punch of the intro deaths aside, the film was good, the tone of the film was all about despair and hopelessnes.
If Alien: Covenant is better (in your opinion of course) than Alien 3, Resurrection and Prometheus, then that it gives me some hope but since we all have different opinons and the fact that those movies were not the highest point in the series, I still won't get my hopes too high.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
Fox unfortunately, overules Scott since they hold the rights, and it was mostly the devs that said that about A;CM.
The mural may not been a Deacon, especially when one considers the elaborate events needed to create a Deacon.
I really doubt the execs at Fox demanded for Ridley to include a link back to a Blu Ray extra in Covenant in order to demonstrate its canonness.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
Hicks, what is Covenant's rank in your top Alien (Prometheus included). Please ;D
;D ;D
Covenant is a winner?
I can never pick a favourite out of the original trilogy so it'd go - Alien/s/3, Covenant, Prometheus, Resurrection.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 05, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
It's just how it is, Winde. Embargo's have been a thing forever. There's likely some strategy involved in it.
Apologies if this has been answered -- but did you get to have your sit down with Ridley and cast, Hicks?
That's tomorrow. :)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/90/9a/22/909a225ca7deecbfe4f7a041ee9d0b33.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
Neither he or Shaw knew it was capable of infecting anyone in the first place.
David knew it was capable of "infecting" an organism the moment it made what's-his-name sick. Shaw still had no knowledge what happened.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 05, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
Alien 3 was not the best but considering it came after a movie that raised the bar high and the infamous production problems Alien 3 had, its surprising that it was as good as it was. Magic egg and sucker punch of the intro deaths aside, the film was good, the tone of the film was all about despair and hopelessnes.
If Alien: Covenant is better (in your opinion of course) than Alien 3, Resurrection and Prometheus, then that it gives me some hope but since we all have different opinons and the fact that those movies were not the highest point in the series, I still won't get my hopes too high.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
Fox unfortunately, overules Scott since they hold the rights, and it was mostly the devs that said that about A;CM.
The mural may not been a Deacon, especially when one considers the elaborate events needed to create a Deacon.
What I am saying is, Fox could not care less either. They will defer to Ridley to do whatever he wants because they think it will make them money.
Fox stamped A:CM with the canon stamp. The devs can't force them to do it. Then they realized they didn't really care and were fine if anyone wanted to contradict it so they rescinded it. But they absolutely did give it the canon status.... until they decided not to.
As fans we get WAY in the weeds about all of these things because we are, well, huge fans of the series and we spent money/time/effort reading and digesting this material so, on a basic level, we want it to mean something. The reality is that Fox and Ridley don't care much about it and they have an idea for a new trilogy/series single movie they will blatantly contradict the information provided in viral marketing, novels, appendices and comic books (they most likely are largely unaware of what the content of these are and don't have any inclination to read them).
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 12:56:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
Neither he or Shaw knew it was capable of infecting anyone in the first place.
David knew it was capable of "infecting" an organism the moment it made what's-his-name sick. Shaw still had no knowledge what happened.
The black goo, yeah, but not the Trilobite though. They didn't know the creature functioned like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
Neither he or Shaw knew it was capable of infecting anyone in the first place.
I would say David had a good idea. He saw the murals depicting a life cycle, he can read their language (which is everywhere), he purposefully infected Chalie and seemed to know that there would be some evolution/passing on to Shaw. I would agree that he might not have directly known exactly what would happen but his actions seem to follow a pattern of assumptions. He probably could not have guessed that the giant tentacle monster would impregnate the engineer but I don't think it would be crazy to assume he had an idea.
Shaw is in the dark because I don't think she has a clue about the sequence of events. She may think Charlie was infected from the environment somewhow.
All of this being said, it isn't in the canon because David certainly did not call out everything that would happen before it did but I would rather think he had some experimental plan other than do random things and see if people die (including the single individual he is programmed to protect/serve) or live forever. He is very goal driven.
These reactions are okay with me, I don't expect everyone to love it and I don't expect a masterpiece.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 05, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
I like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (1978) more then i like Star Wars (1977)
I like the AVP movies and Alien:R, but i hate the execution, disturbing ;)
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray
Reveal that Peter,David and Weyland's team (except prometheus crew) know about LV-426 Signal before go LV-223
"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."
also mural on Prometheus movies
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLZCkH8.png&hash=88dd1a9af5345d9732b67e51c7f4431cf34883d2)
While interesting, Ridley will not consider any of that canon with the exception of the deacon, which he included at the end of Prometheus. The deacon seems to be David's starting point.
The Deacon became the mountain in Fire and stone, which is a canon series.
That's an assumption and, most importantly, Scott could not care less about the comics. He barely cares what any of the films but Alien has laid out. Fox will say whatever (they said Colonial Marines was canon until they then said they essentially didn't care).
QuoteDavid has no knowledge of the Deacon.
He saw the mural he knew what was growing in Shaw. He examined the accelerant. It is true that he was not literally standing beside it when it emerged, but he can make some inferences to drive his exploration/assumptions. I am not saying this would ever be literally called out in the movie (David won't have a journal where he longingly writes about the Deacon) but the steps were pretty clearly laid out in Prometheus.
What is canon? ;)
The movies are the only thing that are canon. I don't see the comic books, toys or whatsoever being part of the lore.
As far as I know, David has no knowledge of the Daecon. He only made sure Shaw's boyfriend got infected which, in turn, infected her. He was intrigued by what would come out of Shaw. The outcome of his experiment.
Again, he has no knowledge what would happen if "Tentacle" infected the Engineer.
While you have the right to believe that as your opinion, Fox's new canon that goes with the movies consists of Fire and Stone, Life and Death, Defiance, Alien Isolation (both game and comic) and possibly the shadow and rage trilogy. At least to my knowledge. :)
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So in your opinion Alien 3 is better then Covenant??
It's hard for me to gauge because I know Alien 3 is a mess of a film but I've just always liked it which is why I can never pick a favorite out of the first 3. Objectively, yeah, Covenant is probably a better film. But so is Prometheus.
Alien 3 was not the best but considering it came after a movie that raised the bar high and the infamous production problems Alien 3 had, its surprising that it was as good as it was. Magic egg and sucker punch of the intro deaths aside, the film was good, the tone of the film was all about despair and hopelessnes.
If Alien: Covenant is better (in your opinion of course) than Alien 3, Resurrection and Prometheus, then that it gives me some hope but since we all have different opinons and the fact that those movies were not the highest point in the series, I still won't get my hopes too high.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
What I am saying is, Fox could not care less either. They will defer to Ridley to do whatever he wants because they think it will make them money.
Fox stamped A:CM with the canon stamp. The devs can't force them to do it. Then they realized they didn't really care and were fine if anyone wanted to contradict it so they rescinded it. But they absolutely did give it the canon status.... until they decided not to.
As fans we get WAY in the weeds about all of these things because we are, well, huge fans of the series and we spent money/time/effort reading and digesting this material so, on a basic level, we want it to mean something. The reality is that Fox and Ridley don't care much about it and they have an idea for a new trilogy/series single movie they will blatantly contradict the information provided in viral marketing, novels, appendices and comic books (they most likely are largely unaware of what the content of these are and don't have any inclination to read them).
I strongly agree that Fox doesn't care hence why they never clarified the old eu but they do have more authority than Ridley...and as I said, unfortunately, though in this case, I would not agree with Ridley contradicting Alien (if covenant actually does of course)
The Devs were the ones that were mostly kept telling everyone CM was canon, Fox probably did too but the extreme negative reaction made them back off. Fox is both non caring and fickle, whatever allows them to continue milking the franchise.
Ah, yes.
I didn't read many comics regarding the Xenomorph though. For me, the only thing that is canon are the movies. So I guess it's fine that some things are a little different.
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
Those AvP shitty abominations are not canon.
Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
So what's the big deal about the delay?
Is it some kind of test he must pass? Will he get his pay docked? Will he - or anyone else who's seen it - be less privileged for having seen an early showing? Fox calling the shots is one thing - but come on. Why shouldn't people be permitted to talk freely about it once they've seen it.
It's complete bullshit. Fox want's to keep it a secret - but not a secret for very long. lol. Just another bullshit embargo.
-Windebieste.
First, maybe take a breath.
They put a lot of money into marketing this thing and it's completely reasonable that they want to control the dissemination of info on their timetable. People are lucky they get to see test screenings and early showings.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
I strongly agree that Fox doesn't care hence why they never clarified the old eu but they do have more authority than Ridley...and as I said, unfortunately, though in this case, I would not agree with Ridley contradicting Alien (if covenant actually does of course)
The Devs were the ones that were mostly kept telling everyone CM was canon, Fox probably did too but the extreme negative reaction made them back off. Fox is both non caring and fickle, whatever allows them to continue milking the franchise.
I would also hope Ridley does not directly contradict Alien (because how hard is it to keep the first story consistent).
The devs told everyone Fox considered it canon because, well, fox did. Until, like you said, they didn't.
You perfectly summed it up as they care as far as doing so helps them make money. If contradicting something helps them make a more accessible or marketable product, they will contradict anything. So, essentially, nothing is honestly canon to them. Which leaves Ridley and he has shown a lot of disdain for everything outside of the first two films and is probably not aware that the comics even exist.
He will probably keep roughly consistent with Alien but even then he has played fast and loose with the identity of the SJ (size differences are silly) but he clearly has decided it was always an engineer. I think everything else, including Aliens and Prometheus, is entirely malleable.
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Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Dude...the NDA is for a few days. They're literally asking him to hold his review for less than a week, not a month.
And he has.
Shhhh
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Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Dude...the NDA is for a few days. They're literally asking him to hold his review for less than a week, not a month.
And he has.
Shhhh
He has kept the NDA. Stop being obnoxious about it. If you are that concerned, don't come back into this thread because it will very clearly have spoilers.
BRING ON THE SPOILERS!!! 11 !!!
lol.
-Windebieste.
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Neither he or Shaw knew it was capable of infecting anyone in the first place.
David knew it was capable of "infecting" an organism the moment it made what's-his-name sick. Shaw still had no knowledge what happened.
The black goo, yeah, but not the Trilobite though. They didn't know the creature functioned like that.
When is the q&a with Scott?
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Quote from: windebieste on May 05, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Here's what I don't get. They invite you into exclusive preview sessions to help drive their hype engine; and then they shackle you with an NDA to prevent you from talking about.
It's complete bullshit.
-Windebieste.
Dude...the NDA is for a few days. They're literally asking him to hold his review for less than a week, not a month.
And he has.
Shhhh
He has kept the NDA. Stop being obnoxious about it. If you are that concerned, don't come back into this thread because it will very clearly have spoilers.
Don't tell me what to do. I should be able to come here to see yes/no answers to whether it was good or not.
For anything other than yes/no answers, people should respect that not everyone wants to know even a little and use spoiler tags. It's what they're there for.
Tomorrow we get spoilers. Not long now.
Any company that spends 250+ on a product gets to call the shots when information on it is released.
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Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
Those AvP shitty abominations are not canon.
Says you, while they may or may not have been retconned now (status unclear) and I agree they were abominations, they were canon.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
I strongly agree that Fox doesn't care hence why they never clarified the old eu but they do have more authority than Ridley...and as I said, unfortunately, though in this case, I would not agree with Ridley contradicting Alien (if covenant actually does of course)
The Devs were the ones that were mostly kept telling everyone CM was canon, Fox probably did too but the extreme negative reaction made them back off. Fox is both non caring and fickle, whatever allows them to continue milking the franchise.
I would also hope Ridley does not directly contradict Alien (because how hard is it to keep the first story consistent).
The devs told everyone Fox considered it canon because, well, fox did. Until, like you said, they didn't.
You perfectly summed it up as they care as far as doing so helps them make money. If contradicting something helps them make a more accessible or marketable product, they will contradict anything. So, essentially, nothing is honestly canon to them. Which leaves Ridley and he has shown a lot of disdain for everything outside of the first two films and is probably not aware that the comics even exist.
He will probably keep roughly consistent with Alien but even then he has played fast and loose with the identity of the SJ (size differences are silly) but he clearly has decided it was always an engineer. I think everything else, including Aliens and Prometheus, is entirely malleable.
I know Ridley doesn't like AVP, not sure what he thinks of the current comics/books and Isolation game...if he as you said, was even aware of it.
The Size differences regarding SJ has a few theories, one is that like humans and any animal really, that size simply varies among individuals, the other (which I find interesting) is that the Engineers are just emulating the SJs. Sjs being to them what Engineers are to us.
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
Also folk, please don't make me ask again. Be respectful. It's getting boring.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 01:18:15 PM
I would also hope Ridley does not directly contradict Alien (because how hard is it to keep the first story consistent).
He already did, in a way, with Prometheus.
The origin of the Xenomorph was a mystery during the Alien movies. We (well, I did) assumed the Engineer crafted the Facehuggers so they could find a suitable host when feeling endangered. When Kane got one attached to his face onboard the Derelict, we assumed the eggs had been placed there by the Engineer (Space Jockey) himself as some sort of weapon. The sole purpose of a Facehugger is to find a host and grow into the Xenomorph. Mind you, the Facehugger + host DNA = Xenomorph, but not the one's we see in Alien/Aliens. The Xenomorph in Alien 3 was different (depending on which cut - Facehugger Queen anyone?) and originated from a Rottweiler/Ox. Although it had the same skeleton, it was slightly different to the ones we had in Alien/Aliens. The unlucky Engineer who got hugged by the Trilobite had a different outcome. We got the Daecon.
Daecon = Engineer + Trilobite (thanks Hicks, forgot the name)
Xenomorph = Human (by Facehugger)
Predalien = Facehugger + Predator
It all depends on what type of creature attaches itself to the host.
We can add another variant after Alien Covenant ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
Also folk, please don't make me ask again. Be respectful. It's getting boring.
Great. Very interested to see what he will divulge.
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon (Aliens: CM too)
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 01:18:15 PM
I would also hope Ridley does not directly contradict Alien (because how hard is it to keep the first story consistent).
He already did, in a way, with Prometheus.
The origin of the Xenomorph was a mystery during the Alien movies. We (well, I did) assumed the Engineer crafted the Facehuggers so they could find a suitable host when feeling endangered. When Kane got one attached to his face onboard the Derelict, we assumed the eggs had been placed there by the Engineer (Space Jockey) himself as some sort of weapon. The sole purpose of a Facehugger is to find a host and grow into the Xenomorph. Mind you, the Facehugger + host DNA = Xenomorph, but not the one's we see in Alien/Aliens. The Xenomorph in Alien 3 was different (depending on which cut - Facehugger Queen anyone?) and originated from a Rottweiler/Ox. Although it had the same skeleton, it was slightly different to the ones we had in Alien/Aliens. The unlucky Engineer who got hugged by the Trilobite had a different outcome. We got the Daecon.
Daecon = Engineer + Trilobite (thanks Hicks, forgot the name)
Xenomorph = Human (by Facehugger)
Predalien = Facehugger + Predator
It all depends on what type of creature attaches itself to the host.
We can add another variant after Alien Covenant ;)
Drones = human
Predalien = Predator
Runner = Ox/Dog
Ultramorph = Engineer (comic version not canon but given the same dna, it would just be a large version of a Drone)
All the above comes under
Xenomorph, neither one is
default or a hybrid as trait taking is just their natural characteristic, that said Facehuggers do seem to fit a humanoid head more better and since Engineers want us dead, it is possible that Xenos were created to kill and infect us.
Deacon = Engineer + Trilobyte (which required Infected holloway to impregnate Shaw)
The Deacon and Trilobyte Is a different species altogether, related to Xenomorphs in that they may share the same common source.
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Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon.
I hear that the W-Y report is no longer going to be considered canon soon. Shame since we really need a source like the WYR that shows us what is canon.
I do hope that is the case since Requiem destroyed the life cycle :laugh:
Way back when, Scott said that the original derelict was a war ship (a bomber) and that the eggs were a weapon, designed, one would assume, to replace one species with another. Hard to understand the logic in creating something so damn nasty and aggressive, but hey-ho.
I guess if the Alien cocoon sequence had made the final cut, Cameron's idea of a queen would never have been.
The queen was genius in terms of film making (a maguffin that all of the subsequent sequels lacked), but kinda buggered things up continuity wise.
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
Daecon = Engineer + Trilobite (thanks Hicks, forgot the name)
Xenomorph = Human (by Facehugger)
Predalien = Facehugger + Predator
It all depends on what type of creature attaches itself to the host.
We can add another variant after Alien Covenant ;)
That wink seems to suggest you're not referring to the neomorph, which could be a clue as to what bothered HuDa and Hicks... or you're just talking about the neomorph, hah :D
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon.
I hear that the W-Y report is no longer going to be considered canon soon. Shame since we really need a source like the WYR that shows us what is canon.
I do hope that is the case since Requiem destroyed the life cycle :laugh:
The book is real in sea of sorrow novel (main character read it)
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 05, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
Daecon = Engineer + Trilobite (thanks Hicks, forgot the name)
Xenomorph = Human (by Facehugger)
Predalien = Facehugger + Predator
It all depends on what type of creature attaches itself to the host.
We can add another variant after Alien Covenant ;)
That wink seems to suggest you're not referring to the neomorph, which could be a clue as to what bothered HuDa and Hicks... or you're just talking about the neomorph, hah :D
The Waltermorph! :D
Quote from: Rudiger on May 05, 2017, 01:52:01 PM
Way back when, Scott said that the original derelict was a war ship (a bomber) and that the eggs were a weapon, designed, one would assume, to replace one species with another. Hard to understand the logic in creating something so damn nasty and aggressive, but hey-ho.
I guess if the Alien cocoon sequence had made the final cut, Cameron's idea of a queen would never have been.
The queen was genius in terms of film making (a maguffin that all of the subsequent sequels lacked), but kinda buggered things up continuity wise.
How so? Egg morphing was scrapped content and thus non-canon, so there was nothing to really contradict by having a Queen as the Egg layer. I know some prefer Eggmorphing for its more Alien-ness but its more plausible to have a Queen be the source of the eggs.
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon.
I hear that the W-Y report is no longer going to be considered canon soon. Shame since we really need a source like the WYR that shows us what is canon.
I do hope that is the case since Requiem destroyed the life cycle :laugh:
The book is real in sea of sorrow novel (main character read it)
:laugh: I must of missed that, in that case a paradox is created unless they write it off as "another" report Decker read or perhaps we are just going to get a newer, more up to date WYR as the canon one.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
Thanks, CH!
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
Considering that the trailers revealed a lot, including who some of the victims were, did this film surprise you at all? did it meet or exceed your expectations given what you probably would have known about it already?
Quick question for those who have seen it now: does the ending of Covenant give a (relatively) good idea of where the next installment is headed?
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon (Aliens: CM too)
I don't get what you are saying. Fox does not care about canon in anywhere near the same way fans do. They entirely intended to release Alien 5 but Ridley sort of put the brakes on all of that. They absolutely do not actually care about anything in a secondary source like books/toys/games. It is simply canon by default until it isn't. Ridley is constructing the series.
Also, there is always a debate about what IS canon. Dallas said the SJ looked to be thousands of years old due to fossilization. What if he's simply wrong? Maybe he doesn't understand conditions that may have caused 'accelerated' fossilization or maybe he doesn't have a clue how to judge the condition of an alien creature.
QuoteThe Size differences regarding SJ has a few theories, one is that like humans and any animal really, that size simply varies among individuals, the other (which I find interesting) is that the Engineers are just emulating the SJs. Sjs being to them what Engineers are to us.
I know that second one is popular, but Ridley has concretely said that it was an engineer (that we see in Prometheus) in the chair in Alien.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think probably bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Spoiler
So its born almost fully developed like the Runner was? But then this is not supposed to a true Xenomorph though right?
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Yeah, I think so too. I don't really like it either. You can't just change the design like that, imo.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think probably bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Spoiler
So its born almost fully developed like the Runner was? But then this is not supposed to a true Xenomorph though right?
Just a guess based on a still we saw and one of Hicks' questions for Ridley.
The queen exists because Cameron knows that if you're going to make a successful sequel, then you need to give the audience something new. It's a genius idea and she's a fantastic character in her own right. Ripley fighting one or more run-of-the-mill aliens = boring (see all subsequent sequels). Ripley fighting one big, bad, ultimate bitch alien is thrilling and quite brilliant storytelling.
I love Aliens, I love the queen idea and the entire end sequence. But that cocoon sequence is just brilliant and so nightmarish. If it had remained in the final cut, I wonder what other ideas Cameron might have come up with.
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
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PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon (Aliens: CM too)
I don't get what you are saying. Fox does not care about canon in anywhere near the same way fans do. They entirely intended to release Alien 5 but Ridley sort of put the brakes on all of that. They absolutely do not actually care about anything in a secondary source like books/toys/games. It is simply canon by default until it isn't. Ridley is constructing the series.
Also, there is always a debate about what IS canon. Dallas said the SJ looked to be thousands of years old due to fossilization. What if he's simply wrong? Maybe he doesn't understand conditions that may have caused 'accelerated' fossilization or maybe he doesn't have a clue how to judge the condition of an alien creature.
QuoteThe Size differences regarding SJ has a few theories, one is that like humans and any animal really, that size simply varies among individuals, the other (which I find interesting) is that the Engineers are just emulating the SJs. Sjs being to them what Engineers are to us.
I know that second one is popular, but Ridley has concretely said that it was an engineer (that we see in Prometheus) in the chair in Alien.
they care. fox own franchise not ridley.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/tim-lebbon-interview-predator-incursion/
Tim Lebbon – The reason's probably more banal than your readers are hoping ... I like Yautja more as a name than Predators.
Fox/Titan told me that the canon material I had to adhere to included just the movies, ongoing comics and the previous Alien trilogy (me, Golden, Moore),
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/chris-roberson/
AvPG – Dark Horse's very first Aliens series found itself being contradicted by Alien 3 after the films release. From what I remember you guys
worked closely with Fox to ensure it wouldn't conflict with Prometheus 2. Did this result in any significant changes?
CR – Yes.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/paul-tobin/
AvPG – I was a little disappointed that the Engineer's weren't delved into too much in the series, especially after some of Elden's tirades in Aliens vs. Predator seemed to hint at all sorts of interesting possibilities – time travel, creating other species. How come the Fire and Stone series didn't explore them more? Was it a request from 20th Century Fox to keep away?
PT –
We did have a request in place to stay away, to leave them room to develop their own thoughts in any upcoming movies, but it wasn't a request that bothered me, since I wouldn't have delved too deeply into the Engineers anyway. I think the mystery and the revelations of Engineers need to be slowly played out over time, and in fact never truly explained. They're beyond us, so any attempts to explain them would inevitably fall short.
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This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Yeah, I think so too. I don't really like it either. You can't just change the design like that, imo.
But the design even of the adult aliens, on the same planet, from the same eggs, changed between the first and second movies. It's only with time that you view it as normal.
Of course they can change the design. And probably should, if it works.
To be honest, a 'bambi' type burster is much more sensible than a worm, no?
Quote from: zoidy on May 05, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Yeah, I think so too. I don't really like it either. You can't just change the design like that, imo.
But the design even of the adult aliens, on the same planet, from the same eggs, changed between the first and second movies. It's only with time that you view it as normal.
Of course they can change the design. And probably should, if it works.
Yeah, but those design changes were not nearly as big as this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Alien-Day-2017-32.jpg)
I think this new design looks fine, but you simply shouldn't change the classic chestburster design. That's going too far.
Quote from: zoidy on May 05, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Yeah, I think so too. I don't really like it either. You can't just change the design like that, imo.
But the design even of the adult aliens, on the same planet, from the same eggs, changed between the first and second movies. It's only with time that you view it as normal.
Of course they can change the design. And probably should, if it works.
Some would argue it alters the lifecycle, so it's not just a minor aesthetic difference like ridged heads. I'm pretty sure this is what Hicks was referring to, but we will find out soon enough.
QuoteTo be honest, a 'bambi' type burster is much more sensible than a worm, no?
I dunno, a chestburster can arguably sneak away to hide more easily while it's a vulnerable newborn.
Quote from: zoidy on May 05, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Yeah, I think so too. I don't really like it either. You can't just change the design like that, imo.
But the design even of the adult aliens, on the same planet, from the same eggs, changed between the first and second movies. It's only with time that you view it as normal.
Of course they can change the design. And probably should, if it works.
To be honest, a 'bambi' type burster is much more sensible than a worm, no?
In-universe, the change is down to maturity. The drone was only active for one day in Alien, while the drones in Aliens were active for weeks.
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
they care. fox own franchise not ridley.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/tim-lebbon-interview-predator-incursion/
Tim Lebbon – The reason's probably more banal than your readers are hoping ... I like Yautja more as a name than Predators.
Fox/Titan told me that the canon material I had to adhere to included just the movies, ongoing comics and the previous Alien trilogy (me, Golden, Moore),
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/chris-roberson/
AvPG – Dark Horse's very first Aliens series found itself being contradicted by Alien 3 after the films release. From what I remember you guys worked closely with Fox to ensure it wouldn't conflict with Prometheus 2. Did this result in any significant changes?
CR – Yes.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/paul-tobin/
AvPG – I was a little disappointed that the Engineer's weren't delved into too much in the series, especially after some of Elden's tirades in Aliens vs. Predator seemed to hint at all sorts of interesting possibilities – time travel, creating other species. How come the Fire and Stone series didn't explore them more? Was it a request from 20th Century Fox to keep away?
PT – We did have a request in place to stay away, to leave them room to develop their own thoughts in any upcoming movies, but it wasn't a request that bothered me, since I wouldn't have delved too deeply into the Engineers anyway. I think the mystery and the revelations of Engineers need to be slowly played out over time, and in fact never truly explained. They're beyond us, so any attempts to explain them would inevitably fall short.
Look, I know it means a lot to fans and we try and get some universe formed in our minds with a history and set of rules, but Fox does not care. For a lot of fans that is tough to swallow because they want the people in charge of the property they love to care as much as they do. But to them this is a franchise and a property they can generate a strong revenue stream out of. The movie will dwarf any novel/comic book sales so they largely ignore them.
In my mind, that's pretty much the way to go. They let people pay them to create materials based off of their licenses but you would be crazy to try and take anything that happens in them as canon. If there is a way to make it more marketable they will negate anything they have ever done to do so. There just isn't a real care for canon. If you ask then, sure, they don't care, it's canon... until there is another idea or they realize they didn't like that one.
It's a simple rule of business for them. The only things that are fairly immovable are Alien and Prometheus.
Don't suppose the canon discussion/arguments can go in a different thread?
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 02:41:17 PM
Look, I know it means a lot to fans and we try and get some universe formed in our minds with a history and set of rules, but Fox does not care. For a lot of fans that is tough to swallow because they want the people in charge of the property they love to care as much as they do. But to them this is a franchise and a property they can generate a strong revenue stream out of. The movie will dwarf any novel/comic book sales so they largely ignore them.
In my mind, that's pretty much the way to go. They let people pay them to create materials based off of their licenses but you would be crazy to try and take anything that happens in them as canon. If there is a way to make it more marketable they will negate anything they have ever done to do so. There just isn't a real care for canon. If you ask then, sure, they don't care, it's canon... until there is another idea or they realize they didn't like that one.
It's a simple rule of business for them. The only things that are fairly immovable are Alien and Prometheus.
Then why fox work with DH/Titan Writer ? if they don't care about canon/continuity ?
Fox Pretty much do like Disneys did with new star wars eu.
This isn't world-building, universe-building, canon-building or anything else. It's franchise-building and nothing else. If a studio doesn't have a franchise - or multiples thereof - it's toast.
This canon debate is entirely off-topic.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Don't suppose the canon discussion/arguments can go in a different thread?
They are sort of intertwined here if a major complaint in the review or opinion of a movie is about it directly contradicting something in a previous movie/source. To some people that REALLY matters and they want the franchise to respect all aspects.
There seems to be some of that implied with what we have heard so far.
That's also combined with the general idea of every single early tweet will always be very positive. It has happened on every movie to date (even terrible ones) and you won't find out anything until the embargo lifts. that leaves little to no meaningful content except a series of tweets saying the exact same thing.
QuoteThis canon debate is entirely off-topic.
I guess anything that isn't a sreen shot or link of a twitter account claiming how awesome it was is off topic. If we talk about actual reviews it's pretty on topic
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Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
Those AvP shitty abominations are not canon.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Don't suppose the canon discussion/arguments can go in a different thread?
They are sort of intertwined here if a major complaint in the review or opinion of a movie is about it directly contradicting something in a previous movie/source. To some people that REALLY matters and they want the franchise to respect all aspects.
There seems to be some of that implied with what we have heard so far.
That's also combined with the general idea of every single early tweet will always be very positive. It has happened on every movie to date (even terrible ones) and you won't find out anything until the embargo lifts. that leaves little to no meaningful content except a series of tweets saying the exact same thing.
QuoteThis canon debate is entirely off-topic.
I guess anything that isn't a sreen shot or link of a twitter account claiming how awesome it was is off topic. If we talk about actual reviews it's pretty on topic
But the thread has descended into a what is/what isn't canon debate which will never resolve because people's views are already formed and immovable.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: Adorianu on May 05, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 05, 2017, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 AM
Hope David It's not Alien Creator,I mean Crazy Robot made Most dangerous alien creature in the universe ?
That very horrible than retcon hicks alive and contradict first movie that Derelict ship on lv-426 was crash long time ago.
Like it or nor (and I'm not a fan of retconning), it doesn't actually contradict anything in Alien. Clearly the initial conceit of the filmmakers was that the SJ was long dead, but anything else is really just an assumption (even if implied), in terms of how long the derelict had been there, whether it was actually fossilised or not etc.
That depends, Xeno are depicted as ancient in different sources, even the AVP film which is or was canon showed that Xenos existed in ancient times, thus David cannot be the creator, I really hope he is not but after reading just a fraction of the comments here that seem to indicate disatifaction from the more serious fans, I am worried.
Don't want spoilers but I really want to be reassured that this isn't true much more than I don't want spoilers :laugh:
My theory is that David just replicated what the Engineers already created rather than outright creating them himself.
Those AvP shitty abominations are not canon.
Says you, while they may or may not have been retconned now (status unclear) and I agree they were abominations, they were canon.
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Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
I strongly agree that Fox doesn't care hence why they never clarified the old eu but they do have more authority than Ridley...and as I said, unfortunately, though in this case, I would not agree with Ridley contradicting Alien (if covenant actually does of course)
The Devs were the ones that were mostly kept telling everyone CM was canon, Fox probably did too but the extreme negative reaction made them back off. Fox is both non caring and fickle, whatever allows them to continue milking the franchise.
I would also hope Ridley does not directly contradict Alien (because how hard is it to keep the first story consistent).
The devs told everyone Fox considered it canon because, well, fox did. Until, like you said, they didn't.
You perfectly summed it up as they care as far as doing so helps them make money. If contradicting something helps them make a more accessible or marketable product, they will contradict anything. So, essentially, nothing is honestly canon to them. Which leaves Ridley and he has shown a lot of disdain for everything outside of the first two films and is probably not aware that the comics even exist.
He will probably keep roughly consistent with Alien but even then he has played fast and loose with the identity of the SJ (size differences are silly) but he clearly has decided it was always an engineer. I think everything else, including Aliens and Prometheus, is entirely malleable.
I know Ridley doesn't like AVP, not sure what he thinks of the current comics/books and Isolation game...if he as you said, was even aware of it.
The Size differences regarding SJ has a few theories, one is that like humans and any animal really, that size simply varies among individuals, the other (which I find interesting) is that the Engineers are just emulating the SJs. Sjs being to them what Engineers are to us.
There were not canon.Those comics are not too.For this moment Aliens and Predators are not in the same universe.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Don't suppose the canon discussion/arguments can go in a different thread?
They are sort of intertwined here if a major complaint in the review or opinion of a movie is about it directly contradicting something in a previous movie/source. To some people that REALLY matters and they want the franchise to respect all aspects.
There seems to be some of that implied with what we have heard so far.
That's also combined with the general idea of every single early tweet will always be very positive. It has happened on every movie to date (even terrible ones) and you won't find out anything until the embargo lifts. that leaves little to no meaningful content except a series of tweets saying the exact same thing.
QuoteThis canon debate is entirely off-topic.
I guess anything that isn't a sreen shot or link of a twitter account claiming how awesome it was is off topic. If we talk about actual reviews it's pretty on topic
How is this even remotely on topic? What aspect of Alien: Covenant are you discussing in reference to FOX, the EU, and canon?
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Flq32OIC.jpg&hash=eb3569a51edd2199c90b7c04184549ca3281d1f8)
PS. AvP 1-2 Its not canon (Aliens: CM too)
True.
At this point, cannon is decided by Ridley and Fox. Probably why they scrapped Blomkamps thing. Alien 5 would have had a Queen, and Im pretty sure Ridleys Ideas are not going that direction. Which I personally am fine with. I thought the Queen in Aliens was great, but its scarier if the eggs are created through morphing, or goo or whatever, as opposed to the aliens essentially being giant deadly ants
What are the sound effects like in the film? Egg opening, alien hissing that sort of thing?
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Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Don't suppose the canon discussion/arguments can go in a different thread?
They are sort of intertwined here if a major complaint in the review or opinion of a movie is about it directly contradicting something in a previous movie/source. To some people that REALLY matters and they want the franchise to respect all aspects.
There seems to be some of that implied with what we have heard so far.
That's also combined with the general idea of every single early tweet will always be very positive. It has happened on every movie to date (even terrible ones) and you won't find out anything until the embargo lifts. that leaves little to no meaningful content except a series of tweets saying the exact same thing.
QuoteThis canon debate is entirely off-topic.
I guess anything that isn't a sreen shot or link of a twitter account claiming how awesome it was is off topic. If we talk about actual reviews it's pretty on topic
How is this even remotely on topic? What aspect of Alien: Covenant are you discussing in reference to FOX, the EU, and canon?
Not sure if you read this whole thread or not (don't blame you if you haven't because it's really long) but there are things mentioned or hinted at that occur in the movie that go 'against' what some people consider canon. This matters to people so it will generate discussion. Fox is the owner of the Alien franchise and the EU is their licensed out aspects of the franchise. So a discussion about what people think has/has not been established inherently involves those products.
If you want this thread to be nothing but the mirrored tweets or links from people who said the early showing was awesome, I can understand but that will be a short and entirely ignored thread. They all say the same thing and always do.
A separate thread could be started that just discusses the film but, at this stage, most people haven't seen it and want to discuss SOMETHING. That is why you get people discussing what appears in A:C and what they think about it (often in context of the franchise).
QuoteBut the thread has descended into a what is/what isn't canon debate which will never resolve because people's views are already formed and immovable.
The thread probably did get coopted a little but that is going to happen when most people haven't seen it and people who have start to release a little info. That info is largely in this thread so they talk about it here.
Right, but what "things" from Covenant are you discussing? Because right now it's just generalized canon arguments mucking up the thread.
If it's going to continue, at least have some reference or context related to the new film to stay on topic.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
I thought the Queen in Aliens was great, but its scarier if the eggs are created through morphing, or goo or whatever, as opposed to the aliens essentially being giant deadly ants
The insect quality was always there from the start, the only thing Aliens added was a Queen and hive, the latter of which was in Alien as scrapped content.
Getting back to reactions to the movie, I can understand why some fans are upset, continuity is important to some of us and to see it thrown out of the window by Covenant (if it actually does that) then no wonder some of us are not happy. The film is probably still better any Alien film post Aliens if the some of the comments around here are any indication but that doesn't stop aspects of that film being disliked.
I am not going to hold my breath but I do dare to hope that my worries won't come true. Still I might actually enjoy the movie regardless.
Out of Shadows is a good book for example, well written and enjoyable but a lot of folk agree it didn't need Ripley or even Ash involved in it, so maybe we shouldn't take one bad/criticized aspect as a reason to worry about the whole film or let it cloud our judgement before we even see the film.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 03:35:21 PM
Right, but what "things" from Covenant are you discussing? Because right now it's just generalized canon arguments mucking up the thread.
I think calling it 'mucking up' is a little dishonest and condescending because the discussions were pretty calm. If you don't like the discussion I can understand but you can really comb through twitter declarations saying how awesome the movie was without any effort. Were you really coming to this thread and hoping for literally nothing but screenshots or links to those?
SPOILER WARNING
I don't know if you followed the spoilers at all so I don't want to ruin anything for you but people are discussing the changes to SJ/engineers the alien, the alien birth cycle and the creation of the alien. These are all things that were discussed here as having changed and many people were entirely unaware of them. Some people like these changes, others don't and others don't care.
This generates discussion, which brings us to this place.
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If it's going to continue, at least have some reference or context related to the new film to stay on topic.
That is literally what generated all of it. I understand you would like to control the discussion and it to only be about what you want it to be about but that isn't the nature of threads. So far it's all been pretty civil and focused on A;C and how it relates to other things.
You are now tangentializing it even further from A:C :laugh:
Quote from: Attack.no1 on May 05, 2017, 03:22:51 PM
What are the sound effects like in the film? Egg opening, alien hissing that sort of thing?
Good question. I think it was in the 10 min clip, the baby Neo had very... "baby" like screeching, was that too in the final film?
I admit, even if the film ends up being good, I will be massively disappointed if
Spoiler
David is the creator of the Alien. It takes what was originally an ancient cosmic nightmare and turns it into a manmade creation via David. I always approached the idea of exploring the origins of the Alien with trepidation precisely because it would rob the Alien of its Lovecraftian mystery, but as long as the explanation was interesting and fit in with what we knew, I was willing to accept it. But this is far to close to home.
I'm willing to give the film the benefit of the doubt, as has been pointed out, Ridley has said this is just another step to the final "perfect organism" we know. But if that is David's creation, than that's a serious mistake in my opinion and a baffling decision on Ridley's part. You'd think he'd know better.
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So without venturing into spoiler territory, I will say that I think I know what the issue might be and I've said it before. The xenomorph as we know it is not intended to exist in Alien Covenant. The aliens we see in it are a precursor or imitation of the true 'big chap'. That would explain differences in what we have come to expect. The next title is said to be called Awakening. What needs to be "awakened" if not once active but now dormant? The true xenomorph. We are just not there yet fellas.
Maybe that was not made clear in the film and people are taking the aliens in Covenant as the definitive Xenomorph, hence pissing in the morning cheerios of a lot of die hard Alien fans (and why casual fans are not aware and just really like the movie for what it is). But Ridley Scott has HIMSELF said that we are not there yet in regards to seeing the true "big chap" xenomorph.
Just my thoughts without having seen it myself, but what sounds like is going on.
I could absolutely live with that being the case.
I am hoping so! I will go into the movie on the 18th with this interpretation and maybe it will make sense...
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Call it an Ultramorph or an adult Deacon, the Xenomorph is one of the variation. So is the Neo-morph.
The real evil is the Ultramorph because it was worshipped / given a special place on the Mural by the Engineers.
The Black goo was imbibed with the DNA of this creature, with acidic blood, rapid growth and stuffs.
Xenomorph and Neomorphs are just variations.i hope to see the true ancestor I. E. The Ultramorph in the sequels.
Wether the Ultramorph was created by the engineers or were they naturally occurring species discovered by the Engineers is still a mystery.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Yes, this thought did cross my mind, the mural does reassure me that the Alien isn't a new creation, but that the ones in A:C are just another variation. I can live with that.
Plus, I am intrigued by the religious connotations. Did the Engineers worship the perfect organism?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
At this point, cannon is decided by Ridley and Fox. Probably why they scrapped Blomkamps thing. Alien 5 would have had a Queen, and Im pretty sure Ridleys Ideas are not going that direction. Which I personally am fine with. I thought the Queen in Aliens was great, but its scarier if the eggs are created through morphing, or goo or whatever, as opposed to the aliens essentially being giant deadly ants
I want to see how the egg morphing process starts. We've seen both Brett and Dallas mid-way through the process, but never how it begins. Then again maybe it should remain mysterious.
From Kong Skull Island director
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/860376661820284928
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 04:41:12 PM
From Kong Skull Island director
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/860376661820284928
That's a bloody lovely compliment. Kong is pretty ok actually, so I say stick that bloody quote on the poster! It's a nice endorsement ha
Thats a glowing endorsement. Skull island was a very fun movie
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 05, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Yes, this thought did cross my mind, the mural does reassure me that the Alien isn't a new creation, but that the ones in A:C are just another variation. I can live with that.
Plus, I am intrigued by the religious connotations. Did the Engineers worship the perfect organism?
The Engineers from Prometheus appeared to have some sort of reverence for a xeno like being. Perhaps they were a sect though? Like the Thugee worshipping Kali?
Skull Island was a long pretty music video. Not a movie.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Call it an Ultramorph or an adult Deacon, the Xenomorph is one of the variation. So is the Neo-morph.
The real evil is the Ultramorph because it was worshipped / given a special place on the Mural by the Engineers.
The Black goo was imbibed with the DNA of this creature, with acidic blood, rapid growth and stuffs.
Xenomorph and Neomorphs are just variations.i hope to see the true ancestor I. E. The Ultramorph in the sequels.
Wether the Ultramorph was created by the engineers or were they naturally occurring species discovered by the Engineers is still a mystery.
I think a big difference here could be that the deacon, neomorph, trilobite, space cobra, and various other black goo critters do not have any sort of self-sustaining life cycle. They require the black goo to mutate existing life in order to exist while the classic Alien may end up with a self-sustaining life cycle that does not require the black goo.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 05, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Yes, this thought did cross my mind, the mural does reassure me that the Alien isn't a new creation, but that the ones in A:C are just another variation. I can live with that.
Plus, I am intrigued by the religious connotations. Did the Engineers worship the perfect organism?
It looks to me like the classic alien and its life cycle are going to become a derivative or amalgamation of the black goo critters the engineers already knew something about. David learns their ways and does his thing to give us the Alien.
The engineers appear to worship life, death, and creation. They also seem to view themselves as superior, as part of the mural in
Prometheus depicted an engineer subjugating a mutated creature.
Alright folks, I think that's enough of digging at each. There's nothing wrong with discussing canon in relations to Covenant and what you guys think we're not liking but keep it on track and don't attack each other. If you wanna discuss canon/Fox's attitude towards it in general, take it to a new thread.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Rightio - I liked it, I didn't love it. It was a better experience than Prometheus (and the AvPs and Resurrection) but it wasn't pretending to be some lofty film. I loved the characters and the cast. Fassbender still rocks - as David and Walter. The film looks gorgeous as expected.
However, it's brisk as f**k. This is Ridley chopping his film up like he did Prometheus. And the way the Alien's are handled...I wouldn't say it ruined the film for me but I'm surprised I didn't smash my face in with some facepalms.
That's all I'll say until Saturday/Sunday when I can post my full review.
Looking forward to reading your and Huda's in-depth reviews and analyses on Sunday Corporal. :)
Don't s'pose you can confirm whether you think Life or Covenant is better through your eyes, Corporal? I remember sharing the same thoughts as you on Life.
I'm going to ask again, as my original question wasn't answered, but I'd like to know if the ending of Covenant plots the direction that the next film (might) make?
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Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
I'll take 6/7! I thourougly enjoyed Prometheus, flaws aside, so I'm happy to know many people believe Covenant to be better than it. I'm hoping it'll break my nostalgic love for the original trilogy and bump 'Aliens' to the 4th spot on my favorites list.
What's your reasoning for using 7 stars as a rating base, as opposed to 5 or 10 stars,
Hicks?
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on May 05, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
I'll take 6/7! I thourougly enjoyed Prometheus, flaws aside, so I'm happy to know many people believe Covenant to be better than it. I'm hoping it'll break my nostalgic love for the original trilogy and bump 'Aliens' to the 3rd spot on my favorites list.
What's your reasoning for using 7 stars as a rating base, as opposed to 5 or 10 stars, Hicks?
I'm pretty sure Hicks means a 6-7 out of 10, not 6 out of 7.
Quote from: imbrie on May 05, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
I'm going to ask again, as my original question wasn't answered, but I'd like to know if the ending of Covenant plots the direction that the next film (might) make?
i second this question. Note though that it probably hasn't been answered Bc of the embargo
Quote from: imbrie on May 05, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
I'm going to ask again, as my original question wasn't answered, but I'd like to know if the ending of Covenant plots the direction that the next film (might) make?
I'll tell you Sunday (for me, anyway).
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 05, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
Don't s'pose you can confirm whether you think Life or Covenant is better through your eyes, Corporal? I remember sharing the same thoughts as you on Life.
I think I liked Covenant more but maybe just. I intend on buying them both though. I really want to watch Covenant again to pick up on more of it.
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on May 05, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 05, 2017, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
I'll take 6/7! I thourougly enjoyed Prometheus, flaws aside, so I'm happy to know many people believe Covenant to be better than it. I'm hoping it'll break my nostalgic love for the original trilogy and bump 'Aliens' to the 3rd spot on my favorites list.
What's your reasoning for using 7 stars as a rating base, as opposed to 5 or 10 stars, Hicks?
I'm pretty sure Hicks means a 6-7 out of 10, not 6 out of 7.
lol if only hicks did mean 6 out of 7
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Flq32OIC.jpg&hash=eb3569a51edd2199c90b7c04184549ca3281d1f8)
If they think it'll make you spend money, they will. :)
They'll never force a director of a future film to read through comics, books and play games. They want them to get on with the task of making a film.
This is why it's safer just to assume anything but the films are just 'what if' ideas in their own little fenced-in bubble. They don't affect the films and never really will.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
As some of you discovered in my recent report. :)
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
I'm pretty sure Hicks means a 6-7 out of 10, not 6 out of 7.
Ohhhh :D
Eh, regardless, many are saying they enjoyed it more than Prometheus so I'm happy about that.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
If this is actually the case, then it may have even been done on purpose to further push that this isn't the classic Alien creature and we've yet to arrive at that.
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on May 05, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: 343 on May 05, 2017, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cheeseburgers on May 05, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
When is the q&a with Scott?
Tomorrow. :)
But how (on a scale from 1 (bad) to 10) will you rate the movie?
It's currently sitting around 6/7 mark for me but I'd like to go see it again to digest it better.
I'll take 6/7! I thourougly enjoyed Prometheus, flaws aside, so I'm happy to know many people believe Covenant to be better than it. I'm hoping it'll break my nostalgic love for the original trilogy and bump 'Aliens' to the 3rd spot on my favorites list.
What's your reasoning for using 7 stars as a rating base, as opposed to 5 or 10 stars, Hicks?
I'm pretty sure Hicks means a 6-7 out of 10, not 6 out of 7.
Lol, yeah. I can't decide between 6 or 7 out of 10.
Quote from: salomonj on May 05, 2017, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: imbrie on May 05, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
I'm going to ask again, as my original question wasn't answered, but I'd like to know if the ending of Covenant plots the direction that the next film (might) make?
i second this question. Note though that it probably hasn't been answered Bc of the embargo
I'm in no way asking for specifics, just a y or n. I don't want to be super spoiled.
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on May 05, 2017, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
If this is actually the case, then it may have even been done on purpose to further push that this isn't the classic Alien creature and we've yet to arrive at that.
Honestly I just think of it as neither a true Xeno or even a precursor, I believe David just read up on what the Engineers did and then created his own version.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 05, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Fox care canon and continuty. Fox will not release Weyland-Yutani Report and let Alien 5 happen if they don't care
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Flq32OIC.jpg&hash=eb3569a51edd2199c90b7c04184549ca3281d1f8)
If they think it'll make you spend money, they will. :)
They'll never force a director of a future film to read through comics, books and play games. They want them to get on with the task of making a film.
This is why it's safer just to assume anything but the films are just 'what if' ideas in their own little fenced-in bubble. They don't affect the films and never really will.
They don't really care much about keeping to film continuity either really, AVP movies flew in the face of the previous films and Resurrection went into an odd direction itself, Prometheus too to an extent.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2017, 05:51:56 PM
Lol, yeah. I can't decide between 6 or 7 out of 10.
Give it a 7 Corps, go on. ;D
The xeno must have existed before since they find the fossilized space jockey, which must be thousands of years old.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
I have a feeling they're going to use the new bambi burster design for the classic Xeno too. I hope not, though.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
I don't mind that its a different variation either, however, it is how we arrive at the original Xeno that worries me, will David be responsible for them ones too? or will they just be discovered after long being hidden, I hope its the latter.
Quote from: Predatorium on May 05, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
The xeno must have existed before since they find the fossilized space jockey, which must be thousands of years old.
My guess is that we are going to realize that isn't what it seemed, exactly. It will probably be far more recent than any of us realized (maybe some connection with the black accelerant and screen writing magic). Or they will simply say Dallas was wrong.
Did I just read that A:C was only slightly better than Life? Oh no...
I detested that movie. For me it was like watching a feature length version of the beginning of Species 2, only with characters that weren't compelling, except for Ryan Reynolds and...
Spoiler
they did an awesome job of making his most charismatic character the first death of the movie.
Quote from: Predatorium on May 05, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
The xeno must have existed before since they find the fossilized space jockey, which must be thousands of years old.
My first post! Hi.
The space jockey couldn't have been fosillised. It takes being buried in silt and mud, then leaching of minerals from the same and transformation to sedimentary rock to create a fossil. Millions of years. Ergo the Space Jockey wasn't fossilised.It was also a space suit.
There is a process whereby mineral laden water hardens objects called petrification. Mother Shiptons well is an example of this. Objects can become stony in 6 months..
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Call it an Ultramorph or an adult Deacon, the Xenomorph is one of the variation. So is the Neo-morph.
The real evil is the Ultramorph because it was worshipped / given a special place on the Mural by the Engineers.
The Black goo was imbibed with the DNA of this creature, with acidic blood, rapid growth and stuffs.
Xenomorph and Neomorphs are just variations.i hope to see the true ancestor I. E. The Ultramorph in the sequels.
Wether the Ultramorph was created by the engineers or were they naturally occurring species discovered by the Engineers is still a mystery.
I think the Engineers revered the Ultramorphs because they were the source of the goo, or its precursor if it was weaponsied by the Engineers. The mural depicts their triumph over this species, and possible subjugation. QED the Ultramorphs were a natural species.
I also suspect that the Engineers might be synthetics. And David creates the Xenomorph from Shaws eggs, an Engineer, or possibly Walter...
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I also want to know why they wanted us to come find their weapons facility! haha ;D
Man, it's gonna be quite bad when we reach the end of these prequels and we see David is the real space jockey, even though it looks completely different, and he also created the alien eggs and all that sh*t... just 20 years before Alien.
I don't know what to think about all this anymore. :'(
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Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I also want to know why they wanted us to come find their weapons facility! haha ;D
I think it was a test. Those who made it there (assuming Engineer operations continued, which they didn't) would be graded Pass / Fail ahem. Humanity would not have made it to the planet, since we were targeted for extinction, but LV223 had a mishap. I assume that countless other worlds were similarly seeded and also had clues to find LV223.
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I think they were a warning. It ties in with the myth of Prometheus, protecting mankind.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
One one level it can be viewed as a creative decision to do it differently but then we also have the removal of an iconic feature in the alien life cycle, which could end up being left unexplained.
Should be interesting to find out what Ridley says about all this during the interview soon!
Quote from: imbrie on May 05, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
I'm going to ask again, as my original question wasn't answered, but I'd like to know if the ending of Covenant plots the direction that the next film (might) make?
Spoiler
It sets up a sequel for sure but it leaves the ending open to many possibilities. I myself would love to know if Ridley truly has an idea of how his future installments will ultimately fit into the continuity of the first ALIEN.
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
Man, it's gonna be quite bad when we reach the end of these prequels and we see David is the real space jockey, even though it looks completely different, and he also created the alien eggs and all that sh*t... just 20 years before Alien.
I don't know what to think about all this anymore. :'(
I will be disappointed if this turns out to be true. I want the origin of the Alien to be as "alien" as the creature itself.
Quote from: 900SL on May 05, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I think they were a warning. It ties in with the myth of Prometheus, protecting mankind.
But if it WAS a warning, why indicate just the military style outpost and not the Home Planet?
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
One one level it can be viewed as a creative decision to do it differently but then we also have the removal of an iconic feature in the alien life cycle, which could end up being left unexplained. Alien3 did have both with the runner and the queen, though.
Should be interesting to find out what Ridley says about all this during the interview soon!
There has to be some variable that makes the creature born in a different stage of its life. In alien 3, the runner is born as a bambi burster, and when the queen busts out of ripley, its a more traditional chestburster
You can theorize that a bambi burster is simply ready to be born. A traditional worm like chestburster is pre-mature and is born out of necessity, like about to fall in a lava pit, or go into stasis for an extended period
Quote from: Stanley on May 05, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: 900SL on May 05, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I think they were a warning. It ties in with the myth of Prometheus, protecting mankind.
But if it WAS a warning, why indicate just the military style outpost and not the Home Planet?
Maybe that outpost was originally meant as a meeting point so as not to reveal the location of their homeworld, which may have been a cautious move depending on how advanced or aggressive mankind had become. It's also possible that it became a weapon installation after they changed their mind about us. The Engineers were practically wiped out by their own weapon before they had the chance to wipe us out. They probably didn't intend for us to find them at that point since humankind was supposed to have been annihilated by then.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
One one level it can be viewed as a creative decision to do it differently but then we also have the removal of an iconic feature in the alien life cycle, which could end up being left unexplained. Alien3 did have both with the runner and the queen, though.
Should be interesting to find out what Ridley says about all this during the interview soon!
There has to be some variable that makes the creature born in a different stage of its life. In alien 3, the runner is born as a bambi burster, and when the queen busts out of ripley, its a more traditional chestburster
You can theorize that a bambi burster is simply ready to be born. A traditional worm like chestburster is pre-mature and is born out of necessity, like about to fall in a lava pit, or go into stasis for an extended period
I have had that theory too, interestingly the reverse can be true as well, that the bambi burster was as developed as it was as it couldn't break out of the ox's chest when it should have, it would explain the ox's death too as it would have been killed from internal damage. Of course, I think theatrical cut is considered the canon version so it would be a dog it came out of.
Got my ticket sorted and really looking forward to this. After the disappointment that was Prometheus (imo), Thursday 11th May 8:30pm can't come soon enough. ;D
Spoiler
The Deacon at the end of Prometheus comes out almost adult, so not only does a bambi-burster have precedence but it shows that we are getting much closer to the traditional chestburster in these prequels.
Quote from: Stanley on May 05, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: 900SL on May 05, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 05, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I hope we eventually figure out why the multiple star maps left on earth all pointed to a barren planet being used for bio weapon development/testing.
But I don't think anyone but me is interested in that :laugh:
I think they were a warning. It ties in with the myth of Prometheus, protecting mankind.
But if it WAS a warning, why indicate just the military style outpost and not the Home Planet?
Well, if we can skip the plot holes in respect of a cave painting representing a star system, that said cave paintings were 50,000 years old or more, which doesn't really tie in with a 2000 year old facility etc etc I guess it was 'the Elder' (and not their lackeys the Engineers) trying to warn humanity that this is the source of all evil.
Trying to weave the logical, chronological and technical implausibilities in Prom is a headache. I just try to do the best I can :D
Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
Spoiler
The Deacon at the end of Prometheus comes out almost adult, so not only does a bambi-burster have precedence but it shows that we are getting much closer to the traditional chestburster in these prequels.
The Deacon is a different creature, but like with the ox, I think it just couldn't break out of the Engineer until it was strong enough.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: MajorB on May 05, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
Spoiler
The Deacon at the end of Prometheus comes out almost adult, so not only does a bambi-burster have precedence but it shows that we are getting much closer to the traditional chestburster in these prequels.
The Deacon is a different creature, but like with the ox, I think it just couldn't break out of the Engineer until it was strong enough.
In the recent COVENANT: IN UTERO VR experience we see POV of the infant Neomorph developing fingers right before birth/eruption. Maybe in the early stages certain aliens can develop limbs to assist in breaking free of the "womb."
Brand New TV Spot lots of new footage.
Plenty of new footage on that Panic ad! I think we've seen the other one before, though. Thanks. :)
Should I watch Alien one last time before my perceptions are changed forever after watching Covenant?
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 07:01:49 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 05, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 05, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
This is what I think possibly bothered HuDa and Hicks that contradicts the original film:
Spoiler
When the alien is born, it won't be the classic chestburster but a bambi-burster.
Is that really a problem though? Its a different incarnation of the creature. It will probably take certain variables to match the big chap as we know it
Exactly. I see no problem with it being different if its not even suppose to be the traditional Xeno. How we arrive at the Xeno from the 1979 Xeno is one of the many stories Sir Ridley seems to be trying to tell with not just this movie but the next one...or two...or three....
One one level it can be viewed as a creative decision to do it differently but then we also have the removal of an iconic feature in the alien life cycle, which could end up being left unexplained. Alien3 did have both with the runner and the queen, though.
Should be interesting to find out what Ridley says about all this during the interview soon!
There has to be some variable that makes the creature born in a different stage of its life. In alien 3, the runner is born as a bambi burster, and when the queen busts out of ripley, its a more traditional chestburster
You can theorize that a bambi burster is simply ready to be born. A traditional worm like chestburster is pre-mature and is born out of necessity, like about to fall in a lava pit, or go into stasis for an extended period
I have had that theory too, interestingly the reverse can be true as well, that the bambi burster was as developed as it was as it couldn't break out of the ox's chest when it should have, it would explain the ox's death too as it would have been killed from internal damage. Of course, I think theatrical cut is considered the canon version so it would be a dog it came out of.
The queen died with Ripley and ox theory only explains the ox, though.
This seems more like a creative decision to do something different. Perhaps when the aliens are outside of anyone's control in the sequel and gain their biomechanical aesthetic (according to Ridley and co.) this could also explain the shift from bambi-burster to classic chestburster.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 05, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Should I watch Alien one last time before my perceptions are changed forever after watching Covenant?
Will they be? I don't understand this mode of thinking...
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 05, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Should I watch Alien one last time before my perceptions are changed forever after watching Covenant?
Did the AvP films change your opinion of the original?
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 05, 2017, 09:38:34 PM
Will they be? I don't understand this mode of thinking...
Because every time I watch Alien I always wonder about the origins of the ship, where it came from and the eggs. I love the mystery behind it all and believe it should remain a mystery. But if Covenant suggests certain things that might reveal this mystery, then it will be hard to watch Alien in the future and not think about these reveals. So I'm wondering if it should be watched one last time before it all changes...
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 05, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
Did the AvP films change your opinion of the original?
No because the AVP films are irrelevant.
They weren't when they were released.
. .i doubt the bambi burster was the reason Hicks had some qualms with covenant. .it was very much aparent that it was not gonna be the worm design well before the premiere. .it must be something else concerning the Xeno's. .maybe the way they move. .but while on the subject of the bambi burster. .i personally loved the design in alien 3. .was one of the best bits. .especially in the asembly cut. .and the way the xeno moved. .awesooooome!!. .just my opinion. .
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 05, 2017, 09:46:56 PM
They weren't when they were released.
Maybe so but their stories did not directly tie into Alien in regards to the jockey or the derelict stuff, so no they would not affect further viewings of the film. I'm not criticising Covenant in any way for I haven't seen it. But I just wonder if after having watched Covenant, it will be hard to view Alien in the same way again, if certain story revelations are suggested.
Quote from: juxtapose on May 05, 2017, 09:47:09 PM
. .i doubt the bambi burster was the reason Hicks had some qualms with covenant. .it was very much aparent that it was not gonna be the worm design well before the premiere. .it must be something else concerning the Xeno's. .maybe the way they move. .but while on the subject of the bambi burster. .i personally loved the design in alien 3. .was one of the best bits. .especially in the asembly cut. .and the way the xeno moved. .awesooooome!!. .just my opinion. .
It's probably not the only thing but concerning his statement about wondering if Ridley and co. forgot something important with regards to the alien in the original, what else could it be?
It's also one of the very few interview questions Hicks will ask Ridley about, btw.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 05, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
Did the AvP films change your opinion of the original?
They made me change my opinion about our civilisation in general.
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Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 05, 2017, 09:46:56 PM
They weren't when they were released.
Maybe so but their stories did not directly tie into Alien in regards to the jockey or the derelict stuff, so no they would not affect further viewings of the film. I'm not criticising Covenant in any way for I haven't seen it. But I just wonder if after having watched Covenant, it will be hard to view Alien in the same way again, if certain story revelations are suggested.
Thats the trouble with prequels for some people. I can disconnect though. I watch them in turns of adding to the story rather than changing what comes later. I know it sounds weird but I understand the films in chronological release order and not story wise. It's how I can still watch the OT Star Wars films without being out off by knowing that Darth Vader is the little birch boy from the prequels. Just a tip for any nervous fans out there.
In terms of changes Scott is going to make to the Alien lore, I welcome it. The Alien is done for me. It's lost a lot of its effect on me and it drastically needs a shot in the arm. The only thing I actually enjoy/fear is the Facehuggers. I'm all for change as long as is it doesn't stray too far.
Quote from: irn on May 05, 2017, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 05, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
Did the AvP films change your opinion of the original?
They made me change my opinion about our civilisation in general.
It's the comic book generation dude, I'm half in it so to speak.
I watch the first AvP last week and I actually really enjoyed it. Still a bag of crap but it's competently made and entertaining.
. .well if it's only the bambi then i am not very concerned. .i thought the design was awesome and having seen the very long phallic like head of the baby i am even more Giger- upped. .that definately looks alot more like the original design. .was the snake-worm like burster from alien and alliens based on a giger design as well?. .or was it artistic licence?
The bambi-burster wouldn't cause any fan to cringe. It's what's laying the eggs that must be twisting their undies. That or Walter is facehugged and gives birth... but still that doesn't seem all that upsetting either.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 05, 2017, 10:15:25 PM
The bambi-burster wouldn't cause any fan to cringe. It's what's laying the eggs that must be twisting their undies. That or Walter is facehugged and gives birth... but still that doesn't seem all that upsetting either.
Well it should be upsetting since Walter is an android... :P
Back in the old eu, robots were used by the company to gather eggs because they were immune. While that is no longer canon, I still think androids will be incapable of carrying embryos.
Well it should be upsetting since Walter is an android... :P
Back in the old eu, robots were used by the company to gather eggs because they were immune. While that is no longer canon, I still think androids will be incapable of carrying embryos.
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That's a common plot device in the EU to be sure, but I don't think I ever fully bought that concept. The queen definitely took note of Bishop in Aliens right? If Aliens as a sequel is canon then it definitely implies that the aliens aren't exactly passive towards androids.
It depends, normally they are ignored but if they are deemed a threat or are in their way, then they will be attacked. Personally I think Bishop got impaled because he was in front of Ripley. The novel or early script mentioned how Bishop encountered a Xeno and had to remain still to avoid being attacked.
The million dollar question is: How many movies do we want with Michael Fassbender as a protagonist. He is a character actor, and when he is given a leading role the movie flops, like Assassins Creed. Is the Alien franchise making the right choice about this?
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:10:03 PM
The million dollar question is: How many movies do we want with Michael Fassbender as a protagonist. He is a character actor, and when he is given a leading role the movie flops like Assassins Creed. Is the Alien franchise making the right choice about this?
Not to derail the thread... but the Assassin's Creed movie flopped for a couple of reasons, but Fassbender wasn't one of those reasons.
https://twitter.com/jeffcannata/status/860631548952952832
But I had bad feedback of the French projection today. Last part of Covenant is hysteric, bad, story pretty weak despite good things and good sequences ...
I think the film will be more divided than we thought unfortunately ...
Assassins Creed flopped because it suffered from the video game movie curse, so its not necessarily the actor's fault.
Michael has had lead or atleast co-lead roles and the films have been highly successful. First Class springs to mind.
Anyway, he is not a protagonist in either Prometheus and Covenant, his role being either support or antagonist.
You know what I mean. Nobody goes to see these movies because of Fassbender. They go for the alien. If they use the creatures as a bait to tell a story about artificial intelligence, the audience will feel defrauded.
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffcannata/status/860631548952952832
But I had bad feedback of the French projection today. Last part of Covenant is hysteric, bad, story pretty weak despite good things and good sequences ...
I think the film will be more divided than we thought unfortunately ...
The @slashfilm journo put up something less than encouraging as well before it was deleted. Optimism neutrilised.
The link doesn't work
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
You know what I mean. Nobody goes to see these movies because of Fassbender. They go for the alien. If they use the creatures as a bait to tell a story about artificial intelligence, the audience will feel defrauded.
I have no idea what you mean by your posts. Fassbender has been absolutely solid in everything I've seen him in. I also don't get the impression that Covenant is a bait-and-switch. Have you seen the film yet?
Welcome to the AvPG, btw.
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
You know what I mean. Nobody goes to see these movies because of Fassbender. They go for the alien. If they use the creatures as a bait to tell a story about artificial intelligence, the audience will feel defrauded.
Not to be argumentative, but ever since I saw Prometheus, Fassbender has had my attention. He is a talented and extremely likeable actor. Anything he is in, I have an interest in seeing and is the main reason why I saw Assassins Creed despite having grown disgusted with the franchise after AC3.
So I wouldn't necessarily say that people don't just goto movies for the actors. There is an entire generation of movie goers that grew up in the golden era of Hollywood when studios had mega stars and those stars were hot commodities that were guaranteed audience draws just because they were in it. Fassbender reminds me of the mega stars of old. He has a presence... he owns the roles he plays and is a true Hollywood thespian in an era where that is becoming increasingly rare.
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
You know what I mean. Nobody goes to see these movies because of Fassbender. They go for the alien. If they use the creatures as a bait to tell a story about artificial intelligence, the audience will feel defrauded.
I do know what you mean, its safe to say a lot of fans felt this way when they went to see Prometheus and expected Xenos. Fassbender has being noted for giving a good performance as David however, hence why he is singled out by critics.
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
The queen died with Ripley and ox theory only explains the ox, though.
This seems more like a creative decision to do something different. Perhaps when the aliens are outside of anyone's control in the sequel and gain their biomechanical aesthetic (according to Ridley and co.) this could also explain the shift from bambi-burster to classic chestburster.
For what it's worth, I did point out in my Alien Day report that I asked the Creature Supervisor whether or not the similarity to the dog-burster was a deliberate decision; whether they were working in some kind of foreshadowing of what '
Alien 3' depicted or not - and he gave a definite no to that.
Like the similarities between '
Prometheus' and the first of the AVP films (which we know Scott hadn't opportunity to watch), this could simply just all be pure coincidence. Either way, the design similarity is on record as
not being a deliberate plan.
Assuming there's no explanation given for this in the new film, it's just a case of Scott having an artistic whim and going for it. Not some long-term evolutionary plan behind the scenes.
No, but a blogger who watched the film said "This is a story about David". By the way he loved Prometheus but seems to have some qualms about Covenant. That sounds like really bad news to me. And I don't have anything against Fassbender. He is an excellent actor. Even his character David can be tragically beautiful. But think about this now: Would Blade Runner be as good as it was if it was the story of Roy Batty? I don't think so.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 05, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
But I had bad feedback of the French projection today. Last part of Covenant is hysteric, bad, story pretty weak despite good things and good sequences ...
I think the film will be more divided than we thought unfortunately ...
The @slashfilm journo put up something less than encouraging as well before it was deleted. Optimism neutrilised.
I fear...
But I also had very good echoes, so difficult to draw conclusions.
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 05, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 05, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
But I had bad feedback of the French projection today. Last part of Covenant is hysteric, bad, story pretty weak despite good things and good sequences ...
I think the film will be more divided than we thought unfortunately ...
The @slashfilm journo put up something less than encouraging as well before it was deleted. Optimism neutrilised.
I fear...
But I also had very good echoes, so difficult to draw conclusions.
Let's not base assumption on one site just yet.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
Words I live by, cynical way to look at things but expecting the worst means you can be pleasantly surprised much more often.
Some of the comments here suggested its at least better than Alien 3, so that is promising but still not holding my breath.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
I wouldnt mind the chestburster bit. Its a classic riff on a classic scene. :)
I wonder why not a single word has been said about Waterston character? She is like invisible so far. And it is not just the embargo.. people could have said "cool heroine" "she's badass" etc... instead of that, silence...
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
I wonder why not a single word had been said about Waterston character? She is like invisible so far. And it is not just the embargo.. people could have said "cool heroine" "she's badass" etc... instead of that, silence...
That may actually be at the studios request....
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
I wonder why not a single word had been said about Waterston character? She is like invisible so far. And it is not just the embargo.. people could have said "cool heroine" "she's badass" etc... instead of that, silence...
I am guessing her and well,...all the other characters are just being over-shadowed by the Xeno, since even if its a replication (hopefully) it has still been 10 years since they have been on our screens. So it makes sense that we are all going to talk about it.
https://twitter.com/jbawardscircuit/status/860637629158539264
Quote from: joylit on May 05, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
I wonder why not a single word has been said about Waterston character? She is like invisible so far. And it is not just the embargo.. people could have said "cool heroine" "she's badass" etc... instead of that, silence...
Hicks said he loved the new cast. So I'm thinking he really enjoyed her performance.
People, just don't get attach to reviews because they can set up your mind with negative attitude. Just watch the movie and judge by yourself. And remember: one person = one opinion. People have different expectations. Don't listen to what other people are saying. It's no-brainer.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
What a horrible thing to even suggest. :'( :laugh:
There is one thing that would piss me off personally about the aliens if it were to happen and that is they were created by man. Asshole robot who was created by man fiddling around with alien DNA... I can live with. But if we find out the Alien was invented in the WY lab... f**k that. Also, aliens ignoring androids isn't movie canon right? Call being ignored by the aliens doesn't count since they thought she was dead and she just ran around to the other side to open the door. So if the alien gets it's biomech from an android is fine with me.
It's funny but what if we come from monkeys... but the engineers come from Aliens?
Well Cruentus. I'm just praying for this movie to be good. I hope there is a balance between the characters. I hope there is a conflict, and not just beating around the bush. I am going to give just one example, and this is pure speculation because I haven't seen the movie. But I would really hate it if at the end Covenat David trades places with Walter and nobody is even suspicious about it. We had enough dumb characters in this franchise already, and most of them are in Prometheus.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 06, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
What a horrible thing to even suggest. :'( :laugh:
There is one thing that would piss me off personally about the aliens if it were to happen and that is they were created by man. Asshole robot who was created by man fiddling around with alien DNA... I can live with. But if we find out the Alien was invented in the WY lab... f**k that. Also, aliens ignoring androids isn't movie canon right? Call being ignored by the aliens doesn't count since they thought she was dead and she just ran around to the other side to open the door. So if the alien gets it's biomech from an android is fine with me.
It's funny but what if we come from monkeys... but the engineers come from Aliens?
(https://img.memesuper.com/bce31e374387e333a558d59dbae8191d_hmmm-meme-gallery-hmmmm-memes_512-384.jpeg)
Spoiler
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Quote from: fiveways on May 06, 2017, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxlbLVcpqI
Don't order the soup :laugh:
Quote from: joylit on May 06, 2017, 12:08:06 AM
Well Cruentus. I'm just praying for this movie to be good. I hope there is a balance between the characters. I hope there is a conflict, and not just beating around the bush. I am going to give just one example, and this is pure speculation because I haven't seen the movie. But I would really hate it if at the end Covenat David trades places with Walter and nobody is even suspicious about it. We had enough dumb characters in this franchise already, and most of them are in Prometheus.
It is funny you should mention that as I heard folks around here saying something about David imitating Walter, can't recall if it was just a theory or actually something that happens in the movie (some friends of members here got to see early screenings I believe)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 05, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
The queen died with Ripley and ox theory only explains the ox, though.
This seems more like a creative decision to do something different. Perhaps when the aliens are outside of anyone's control in the sequel and gain their biomechanical aesthetic (according to Ridley and co.) this could also explain the shift from bambi-burster to classic chestburster.
For what it's worth, I did point out in my Alien Day report that I asked the Creature Supervisor whether or not the similarity to the dog-burster was a deliberate decision; whether they were working in some kind of foreshadowing of what 'Alien 3' depicted or not - and he gave a definite no to that.
Like the similarities between 'Prometheus' and the first of the AVP films (which we know Scott hadn't opportunity to watch), this could simply just all be pure coincidence. Either way, the design similarity is on record as not being a deliberate plan.
Assuming there's no explanation given for this in the new film, it's just a case of Scott having an artistic whim and going for it. Not some long-term evolutionary plan behind the scenes.
Thanks! That sounds about right.
I'm still thinking that is one aspect of Covenant that HuDa and Hicks were talking about earlier but I could easily be wrong once we found out more after the embargo.
Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 05, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
https://twitter.com/jbawardscircuit/status/860637629158539264
Quote#AlienCovenant wisely follows George Miller's less plot = more fun mantra. Doesn't take itself seriously except for Fassbender's virtuosity
That's not so bad, as if they learned to avoid repeating the mistakes of
Prometheus. I can dig it.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 06, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 05, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 05, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 05, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
This is why it's best not to get hyped. :)
Assume nothing. Then, if it turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise.
The only possible way for this movie to disappoint me is if it is A:R or AvPR bad. I even enjoy Prometheus to a certain extent because of the David character. So as long as Covenant doesnt descend into the mouth of madness that is A:R or AvPR, then I am sure I'll walk out of the theater grinning like a chesire cat.
Maybe I'm just easy to please though... lol
Bad news, turns out Chet the Predalien was in it and vomited up those eggs... The chestburster wears a top hat and dances before killing everyone with a candycane. :P :laugh:
What a horrible thing to even suggest. :'( :laugh:
There is one thing that would piss me off personally about the aliens if it were to happen and that is they were created by man. Asshole robot who was created by man fiddling around with alien DNA... I can live with. But if we find out the Alien was invented in the WY lab... f**k that. Also, aliens ignoring androids isn't movie canon right? Call being ignored by the aliens doesn't count since they thought she was dead and she just ran around to the other side to open the door. So if the alien gets it's biomech from an android is fine with me.
It's funny but what if we come from monkeys... but the engineers come from Aliens?
Agreed. :laugh:
Also I can live with David now becoming the creator of the Alien, like being a guilty pleasure to indulge in these prequels.
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 01:03:03 AM
Also I can live with David now becoming the creator of the Alien
Is that 100% confirmed?
Here's my take on the worrying of A:C shitting on the canon in some way.
As much as a alien fan as I am, I am more so a fan of good movies. As long as this movie is well directed, well shot, visually stunning, well acted, good dialogue, suspenseful, tense and doesn't feel rushed in the third act (my main problem with Prometheus) then I can look past not following canon or whatever. I don't even have much of a problem with David creating the Xeno, as long as it is executed well. If the film itself it quality, then I will be a happy man.
David didn't create the alien, he just refined it closer to the biomechanical creature we see in Alien.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 06, 2017, 01:39:54 AM
David didn't create the alien, he just refined it closer to the biomechanical creature we see in Alien.
Is that confirmed? Bc I'd be totally ok with that. I actually love that idea.
https://www.cnet.com/news/alien-covenant-releases-the-most-terrifying-clip-yet/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=37275941
I absolutely love this clip. Can anyone confirm if it is in the film? Especially the ending. I love the
"where is this thing"
"approximately 4 meters above you"
I don't know as I haven't seen the film, but that's what people are talking about.
cant believe they put this in
check frame at 0.18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEAOazVP1Xk&feature=youtu.be
walter/david gets ..........
I'm okay if he know alien recipe and try to re-create them.
Sounds perfect.
Everyone is saying ALIEN: COVENANT is a BETTER film than PROMETHEUS.
And I'm one of the few who loved PROMETHEUS.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 06, 2017, 01:39:54 AM
David didn't create the alien, he just refined it closer to the biomechanical creature we see in Alien.
I'd say it's an insult to consider the deacon a relative of the Alien! :laugh:
I mean seriously, just look at this:
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Quote from: PierreVW on May 06, 2017, 02:12:03 AM
Sounds perfect.
Everyone is saying ALIEN: COVENANT is a BETTER film than PROMETHEUS.
And I'm one of the few who loved PROMETHEUS.
The real question is, are the people saying that also lovers of
Prometheus? ;D
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 01:43:14 AM
https://www.cnet.com/news/alien-covenant-releases-the-most-terrifying-clip-yet/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=37275941
I absolutely love this clip. Can anyone confirm if it is in the film? Especially the ending. I love the
"where is this thing"
"approximately 4 meters above you"
No. It's a viral featurette shot by Luke Scott.
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 06, 2017, 02:12:03 AM
Sounds perfect.
Everyone is saying ALIEN: COVENANT is a BETTER film than PROMETHEUS.
And I'm one of the few who loved PROMETHEUS.
The real question is, are the people saying that also lovers of Prometheus? ;D
As someone else who loves Prometheus, I hope that it's because Covenant is genuinely better. I will be very happy.
It's tough to gauge from the reactions, which are sometimes contradictory. I'm glad that this is technically a Prometheus sequel, but it seems like Prometheus fans are having the most negative reaction so far. Am I wrong?
Here's my early reaction to a commercial that shows two characters in an argument about diverting their ship to follow some weird transmission they picked up.
Fuuuu------- ::)
Quote from: 900SL on May 05, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: Predatorium on May 05, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
The xeno must have existed before since they find the fossilized space jockey, which must be thousands of years old.
My first post! Hi.
The space jockey couldn't have been fosillised. It takes being buried in silt and mud, then leaching of minerals from the same and transformation to sedimentary rock to create a fossil. Millions of years. Ergo the Space Jockey wasn't fossilised.It was also a space suit.
There is a process whereby mineral laden water hardens objects called petrification. Mother Shiptons well is an example of this. Objects can become stony in 6 months..
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Don't worry,
The roots of Xenomorph existed more than 2000 years ago, going by the Mural in the Urns room of Prometheus.
Call it an Ultramorph or an adult Deacon, the Xenomorph is one of the variation. So is the Neo-morph.
The real evil is the Ultramorph because it was worshipped / given a special place on the Mural by the Engineers.
The Black goo was imbibed with the DNA of this creature, with acidic blood, rapid growth and stuffs.
Xenomorph and Neomorphs are just variations.i hope to see the true ancestor I. E. The Ultramorph in the sequels.
Wether the Ultramorph was created by the engineers or were they naturally occurring species discovered by the Engineers is still a mystery.
I think the Engineers revered the Ultramorphs because they were the source of the goo, or its precursor if it was weaponsied by the Engineers. The mural depicts their triumph over this species, and possible subjugation. QED the Ultramorphs were a natural species.
I also suspect that the Engineers might be synthetics. And David creates the Xenomorph from Shaws eggs, an Engineer, or possibly Walter...
I'm happy that someone else knows how fossilization works.
Ridley Scott has taken ownership of Alien. He's one of the principle people who brought the universe to life. If he, along with a new team decided to take the series into a new direction, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride.
All signs point to Alien Covenant being a fine movie geared towards aliens, horror and wonderment. Goddamn it, I can't wait to see this picture.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 06, 2017, 04:39:43 AM
Ridley Scott has taken ownership of Alien. He's one of the principle people who brought the universe to life. If he, along with a new team decided to take the series into a new direction, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride.
All signs point to Alien Covenant being a fine movie geared towards aliens, horror and wonderment. Goddamn it, I can't wait to see this picture.
Since When Ridley bought Alien IP from Fox ?
Just got out from seeing it. I'll give a more detailed review tomorrow night after embargo lifts. But for now, I'll say this. I liked it. 7/10 for me. I can see why some people are saying it's "brisk." There are some things that happen that are way too fast. Similar mistake AVP made. Anyway, more on this tomorrow. I gotta let this sink in a bit more.
I think the real owner is Walter Hill, who will receive loyalties even if one day they make "Alien Vs. Godzilla"
Quote from: joylit on May 06, 2017, 05:12:47 AM
I think the real owner is Walter Hill, who will receive loyalties even if one day they make "Alien Vs. Godzilla"
Was speaking figuratively and not literally. :P
I'm back from seeing Covenant. It moves too fast but I like the film overall 8)
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:31:49 AM
I'm back from seeing Covenant. It moves too fast but I like the film overall 8)
glad to hear you liked it. Is it just fast moving throughout or like Prometheus where it literally feels like it's jumping from scene to scene?
I felt the final edit of Prometheus was far too brisk as well - the Fifield sequence in particular felt chopped and screwed. And I think that's Ridley, not the studio; I think he is somewhat driven by the idea that he has to compete with younger, flashier directors and stay ahead of the curve. But he's already well past, it's unnecessary.
That being said I do look forward to the film.
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:31:49 AM
I'm back from seeing Covenant. It moves too fast but I like the film overall 8)
glad to hear you liked it. Is it just fast moving throughout or like Prometheus where it literally feels like it's jumping from scene to scene?
Once they land on the planet, the movie overall moves really fast
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 06, 2017, 04:39:43 AM
Ridley Scott has taken ownership of Alien. He's one of the principle people who brought the universe to life. If he, along with a new team decided to take the series into a new direction, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride.
All signs point to Alien Covenant being a fine movie geared towards aliens, horror and wonderment. Goddamn it, I can't wait to see this picture.
Amen, if we're going to let canon get in the way of an otherwise good/great film then that's a shame, I can deal with some pacing issues, Rogue One had some, blockbuster films won't be cut the way they used to be. The first two films aren't going anywhere as well and with that in mind I am just going to enjoy the ride.
I can't remember a major release that has the kind of serious editing/pacing issues in its first act that Rogue One does, and I like that movie a lot but the seams in the reshoots are incredibly obvious. Maybe Suicide Squad but that movie is just pure shitshow. I don't think we have to worry about anything quite that extreme on AC.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:31:49 AM
I'm back from seeing Covenant. It moves too fast but I like the film overall 8)
glad to hear you liked it. Is it just fast moving throughout or like Prometheus where it literally feels like it's jumping from scene to scene?
Once they land on the planet, the movie overall moves really fast
The pacing is one thing I expected Ridley to get spot on this time round (The Martian was a good of example of him getting it right) especially after Prometheus.
So if the pacing is off - how has he managed to get it wrong again?
How does that work ???
I don't think Prometheus has any problems with editing, in fact the editing was good (IMO). Any problems Prometheus had were script derived. If Alien:Covenant is edited like Prometheus, I won't have an issue with it, but by the sound of things, the issue people have is the pace in which it develops... it sounds like we get impregnations, gestations and full sized monsters in very quick succession ala AVP. I'm not a fan of that particularly, but as long as is doesn't detract too much from the narrative...
I got the impression from the behind the scenes footage on the Prometheus blu-ray that Scott defers to his editor a great deal, and Scalia is a ruthless, opinionated editor who is obsessed with pacing. I think it really hurt the way Prometheus and The Counselor were received, in particular. Just about every Scalia movie I've seen has a superior extended version.
The only reason for using a fast editing like that could be:
1) To disguise the shortcomings of the cgi
2) To disguise the shortcomings of the dialogue.
3) To emulate the higher frame per second rate of a videograme.
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 06, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
I don't think Prometheus has any problems with editing, in fact the editing was good (IMO). Any problems Prometheus had were script derived. If Alien:Covenant is edited like Prometheus, I won't have an issue with it, but by the sound of things, the issue people have is the pace in which it develops... it sounds like we get impregnations, gestations and full sized monsters in very quick succession ala AVP. I'm not a fan of that particularly, but as long as is doesn't detract too much from the narrative...
I kind of disagree here.
It's not very good editing/pacing to spend 10/15 minutes of screen time building up tension around the Fifield + Milburn situation for the characters to be dead within 10 seconds of the creature showing up, the attack scene should have lasted at least a couple of minutes. Imagine instead of both characters dying in a couple of jump cuts they had let the scene breathe a little. Maybe hit the exact same beats but make the deterioration of their position take a slight bit longer. Also maybe have milburn actually notice Fifield getting hurt, instead of him not reacting to it in any way.
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Quote from: Darth Vile on May 06, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
I don't think Prometheus has any problems with editing, in fact the editing was good (IMO). Any problems Prometheus had were script derived. If Alien:Covenant is edited like Prometheus, I won't have an issue with it, but by the sound of things, the issue people have is the pace in which it develops... it sounds like we get impregnations, gestations and full sized monsters in very quick succession ala AVP. I'm not a fan of that particularly, but as long as is doesn't detract too much from the narrative...
I kind of disagree here.
It's not very good editing/pacing to spend 10/15 minutes of screen time building up tension around the Fifield + Milburn situation for the characters to be dead within 10 seconds of the creature showing up, the attack scene should have lasted at least a couple of minutes. Imagine instead of both characters dying in a couple of jump cuts they had let the scene breathe a little. Maybe hit the exact same beats but make the deterioration of their position take a slight bit longer. Also maybe have milburn actually notice Fifield getting hurt, instead of him not reacting to it in any way.
The problem with Milburn and Fifield isn't the editing, it's the fact that they have no actual impact on the plot of the film at all. They're filler that happens to coincide with the themes of the film but don't actually build momentum for the story in any way. The sequence itself is fine. Why would Millburn notice Fifield getting hurt when he's got an alien snake invading his body?
The group goes to find the two of them, and Shaw is already deciding to head back with Charlie. The hammerpede pops out of Millburn for a jump scare and then slithers its way out of the picture. Fifield kills a bunch of redshirts and then is killed by a redshirt. There's no impact. The actual issues with Prometheus are purely structural, in that the film's second act doesn't really build on itself as much as split apart into a few threads that rejoin later.
Quote from: Protozoid on May 06, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
I got the impression from the behind the scenes footage on the Prometheus blu-ray that Scott defers to his editor a great deal, and Scalia is a ruthless, opinionated editor who is obsessed with pacing. I think it really hurt the way Prometheus and The Counselor were received, in particular. Just about every Scalia movie I've seen has a superior extended version.
So you would have thought that Scott perhaps would have learnt his lesson using Scalia (Lindelof ring any bells) or at least the execs at Fox would have been more cautious.
Just doesn't make any sense for them to release another film with potentially the same problem.
If this gets bad reviews because of this issue - then Awakenings may never happen.
I would call
The Counselor a lot of strange things, but overly pacey is not one of them.
Quote from: MajorB on May 06, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
The group goes to find the two of them, and Shaw is already deciding to head back with Charlie. The hammerpede pops out of Millburn for a jump scare and then slithers its way out of the picture. Fifield kills a bunch of redshirts and then is killed by a redshirt. There's no impact. The actual issues with Prometheus are purely structural, in that the film's second act doesn't really build on itself as much as split apart into a few threads that rejoin later.
I agree with these points - too little was made of both the sequences with the hammerpede post-Milburn and Fifield's attack on the ship - but I do think the initial hammerpede attack with Milburn [sp?] was far too brief. It could've been absolutely agonizing and skin-crawling, even more than it was. I think a part of the speed there had to do with pressure from the studio for a lighter R.
Worth mentioning though that even in the original Spaihts draft the material is pretty much scripted the same (with the exception of Milburn begging Fifield to cut his arm off, before the hammerpede reappears in his throat and between his teeth while he's alive, having burrowed into his arm). It's a question of how long to hold it.
I think Ridley is relying more and more in technology. He says he doesn't like to look back. It is a pity though, with all the trouble they took creating those sets and creatures, it would be like trying to appreciate the paintings in an art exhibition while riding your skateboard.
I just hope they didn't cut off the stuff let allows the film ( and audience ) to breathe. Some of my favorite parts in the series are the moments where characters are just talking and trying to figure out what is going on around them. Monster, cut, monster, cut, chase, monster, cut, attack, monster, etc is no way to structure a moving narrative. I understand trying to get relentless to build tension, but sometimes it's just too much. Obviously having not seen it yet I can't comment on whether or not I'll feel this way in regards to Covenant, but some of the trusted members on this forum are reporting these issues and it has me a little worried to be honest.
Yeah, I don't think Ridley's had that in him with genre stuff so much in the last decade, maybe longer. The Ridley of today would never let Alien breathe so much, IMO. Again, I think he feels a drive to compete with younger auteurs.
Just watched Graham Norton and there's some new footage - which I must say looks and plays very nicely.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 05:53:06 AM
I can't remember a major release that has the kind of serious editing/pacing issues in its first act that Rogue One does, and I like that movie a lot but the seams in the reshoots are incredibly obvious. Maybe Suicide Squad but that movie is just pure shitshow. I don't think we have to worry about anything quite that extreme on AC.
Agreed.
Quote from: Clowndog on May 06, 2017, 06:47:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 06, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
I don't think Prometheus has any problems with editing, in fact the editing was good (IMO). Any problems Prometheus had were script derived. If Alien:Covenant is edited like Prometheus, I won't have an issue with it, but by the sound of things, the issue people have is the pace in which it develops... it sounds like we get impregnations, gestations and full sized monsters in very quick succession ala AVP. I'm not a fan of that particularly, but as long as is doesn't detract too much from the narrative...
I kind of disagree here.
It's not very good editing/pacing to spend 10/15 minutes of screen time building up tension around the Fifield + Milburn situation for the characters to be dead within 10 seconds of the creature showing up, the attack scene should have lasted at least a couple of minutes. Imagine instead of both characters dying in a couple of jump cuts they had let the scene breathe a little. Maybe hit the exact same beats but make the deterioration of their position take a slight bit longer. Also maybe have milburn actually notice Fifield getting hurt, instead of him not reacting to it in any way.
That's more a script issue and not an editiing one, in my opinion... If you compare that scene with the one of Kane getting facehugged, as soon as the facehugger jumps out it cuts to another shot/scene... no reaction from Dallas or Lambert and no shot of Kane writhing on the floor. Indeed, one could argue that the scene in Prometheus could have cut away sooner to match that of Alien. It certainly didn't need extending. Scott's editing aesethic is relatively consistent (relative to the decades in which the films were made).
As MajorB stated; it's a structural issue really... in that the fate of Fifield and Milburn doesn't move the narrative forward.
Well the first rotten tomatoes reviews are going to start posting after 8:45pm, My guess is that its going to start with a high percentage of positive reviews, but it will start decreasing after a second round of reviews. It is even likely that the critics will be benevolent even when acknowledging the flaws in pacing etc. I think the press are sold with the presence of Fassbender alone. And they will celebrate Ridley's return no matter what.
Quote from: Hard-R on May 06, 2017, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 06, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
I got the impression from the behind the scenes footage on the Prometheus blu-ray that Scott defers to his editor a great deal, and Scalia is a ruthless, opinionated editor who is obsessed with pacing. I think it really hurt the way Prometheus and The Counselor were received, in particular. Just about every Scalia movie I've seen has a superior extended version.
So you would have thought that Scott perhaps would have learnt his lesson using Scalia (Lindelof ring any bells) or at least the execs at Fox would have been more cautious.
Just doesn't make any sense for them to release another film with potentially the same problem.
If this gets bad reviews because of this issue - then Awakenings may never happen.
I do wonder if the production timeline (and in particular the release date being brought forward) could have impacted on the editing of Alien Covenant. Rushed post production perhaps?
I am keeping my expectations firmly grounded. Prometheus was a stinker (apart from David and the cinematography) and the end product of muddle headed direction. Unless somebody has Scott under control, I can't see how Alien Covenant can turn out anything better than mediocre.
Which is a shame. These films actually could have been so damn good.
So nothing known about the Engineers (let alone female Engineers), Utramorph (Mural creature), Origin of Black Goo, Engineers' true motive/factions, Other than Xenomorphic creatures (such as Hammerpede).....
Fingers crossed ofcourse, but so far the film looks like a old monster hunt fan service with Xenos everywhere. If that's the film about, atleast Covenant will make Prometheus look like a classic which dared to expand the universe to creative new levels.
Guys, you're talking about technical aspect (editing and pace) of the film you haven't seen yet. It's like reviewing a book or a painting without reading/seeing it. Extraordinary :)
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 08:38:50 AM
Guys, you're talking about technical aspect (editing and pace) of the film you haven't seen yet. It's like reviewing a book or a painting without reading/seeing it. Extraordinary :)
We are only reacting/discussing what has been hinted at and with Prometheus having such pacing issues it does give us cause for concern.
Yeah I'm out of here until Thursday, see you then lads. 8)
It seems the film is being reviewed as a enjoyable b-movie-esq high budgeted gory monster movie.
So,like the first then. :)
Were people really expecting something different ?
Especially going by the initial first couple of trailers and production shots.
*This isn't a critiscm of the fans.More of a case of just enjoying what the series has always ever been.
Quote from: Hard-R on May 06, 2017, 08:47:34 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 08:38:50 AM
Guys, you're talking about technical aspect (editing and pace) of the film you haven't seen yet. It's like reviewing a book or a painting without reading/seeing it. Extraordinary :)
We are only reacting/discussing what has been hinted at and with Prometheus having such pacing issues it does give us cause for concern.
For me
Prometheus didn't have any pacing issues. The script was a problem.
So far almost every single reaction to
Covenant is positive. It's gonna be OK.
Quote from: Hard-R on May 06, 2017, 06:25:59 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
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I'm back from seeing Covenant. It moves too fast but I like the film overall 8)
glad to hear you liked it. Is it just fast moving throughout or like Prometheus where it literally feels like it's jumping from scene to scene?
Once they land on the planet, the movie overall moves really fast
The pacing is one thing I expected Ridley to get spot on this time round (The Martian was a good of example of him getting it right) especially after Prometheus.
So if the pacing is off - how has he managed to get it wrong again?
How does that work ???
Even veteran directors can get it wrong sometimes but considering which franchise this is, I would not be surprised if it was Fox meddling again.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 06, 2017, 01:39:54 AM
David didn't create the alien, he just refined it closer to the biomechanical creature we see in Alien.
Still just as bad imo, David having anything to do with the creation or evolution of the classic original Aliens is just bad, I prefer that he just copied the Engineers and created his own version and that's it..
QuoteStill just as bad imo, David having anything to do with the creation or evolution of the classic original Aliens is just bad, I prefer that he just copied the Engineers and created his own version and that's it..
Very true.
I really dont think i mind if David is the creator.
Although not the route i would personally take, i do believe its more fitting that te Xeno's are made and not a product of a natural evolution.
Have to wait and see how it all plays out though.
David didn't invent the burger. He just put cheese on it.
burger...cheeese..anything to do with the Original = bad
Better if David just created his own version
The film may not be awe-inspiring or wholly original, but I have little doubt it will be reviewed fairly well and do well at the box office. I expect it to be a solid sequel and thriller. People expecting catastrophe are naive.
https://letterboxd.com/film/alien-covenant/
Couple of so-so reviews.
Well Jesse B's fits my own feelings as to what the film is going to be and it does chime with my biggest worry from Prometheus, that the editing will be a mess in whole sections of the film.
Matt DeGroot's appears to be a Prometheus fanboy complaining about other fanboys disliking it so much that Ridley moved away from the 2001 aping aspirations seen in Prometheus.
I think people may have to come to terms with the fact that Ridley never intended to properly answer the "origin of life" questions, I'm not entirely sure what truths the films could hold with any gravitas. Maybe it's best left a mystery? Especially in movies based in a universe which are more concerned with the realities of there being a "perfect" hostile Alien creature.
From all the available evidence it seems Prometheus was a vehicle to set up the black goo, David's character, putting David in the position of being in possession of said black goo and maybe a bit of "what does it really mean to be human" in regards to how autonomous David was.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 07:01:36 AM
I would call The Counselor a lot of strange things, but overly pacey is not one of them.
Quote from: MajorB on May 06, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
The group goes to find the two of them, and Shaw is already deciding to head back with Charlie. The hammerpede pops out of Millburn for a jump scare and then slithers its way out of the picture. Fifield kills a bunch of redshirts and then is killed by a redshirt. There's no impact. The actual issues with Prometheus are purely structural, in that the film's second act doesn't really build on itself as much as split apart into a few threads that rejoin later.
I agree with these points - too little was made of both the sequences with the hammerpede post-Milburn and Fifield's attack on the ship - but I do think the initial hammerpede attack with Milburn [sp?] was far too brief. It could've been absolutely agonizing and skin-crawling, even more than it was. I think a part of the speed there had to do with pressure from the studio for a lighter R.
Worth mentioning though that even in the original Spaihts draft the material is pretty much scripted the same (with the exception of Milburn begging Fifield to cut his arm off, before the hammerpede reappears in his throat and between his teeth while he's alive, having burrowed into his arm). It's a question of how long to hold it.
Yep. That's another major issue with
Prometheus: dramatic irony up the wazoo. Virtually none of the characters know what's happened to each other throughout the film. It's an aspect that could have been interesting in the right hands, but Lindelof's script never brought things together. So we just have isolated scenes of quickly occurring horror that don't amount to anything because the characters aren't in conversation with each other, there's no reflection on what's happened, etc.
Is it conceivable that certain idea's that may have initially been developed in the early stages of a outright Prometheus sequel,predominantly ones about AI intelligence,may be rear it's head in the upcoming Blade Runner sequel ?
I don´t understand how people take the reviews from other people like perfect truth. See for yourself and take your own opinion.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 06, 2017, 07:01:36 AM
I would call The Counselor a lot of strange things, but overly pacey is not one of them.
Quote from: MajorB on May 06, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
The group goes to find the two of them, and Shaw is already deciding to head back with Charlie. The hammerpede pops out of Millburn for a jump scare and then slithers its way out of the picture. Fifield kills a bunch of redshirts and then is killed by a redshirt. There's no impact. The actual issues with Prometheus are purely structural, in that the film's second act doesn't really build on itself as much as split apart into a few threads that rejoin later.
I agree with these points - too little was made of both the sequences with the hammerpede post-Milburn and Fifield's attack on the ship - but I do think the initial hammerpede attack with Milburn [sp?] was far too brief. It could've been absolutely agonizing and skin-crawling, even more than it was. I think a part of the speed there had to do with pressure from the studio for a lighter R.
Worth mentioning though that even in the original Spaihts draft the material is pretty much scripted the same (with the exception of Milburn begging Fifield to cut his arm off, before the hammerpede reappears in his throat and between his teeth while he's alive, having burrowed into his arm). It's a question of how long to hold it.
Yep. That's another major issue with Prometheus: dramatic irony up the wazoo. Virtually none of the characters know what's happened to each other throughout the film. It's an aspect that could have been interesting in the right hands, but Lindelof's script never brought things together. So we just have isolated scenes of quickly occurring horror that don't amount to anything because the characters aren't in conversation with each other, there's no reflection on what's happened, etc.
I don't disagree with the weird pacing and structure, but again: In fairness, the structure is largely the same in Spaihts' original draft, before the film turns into a straight-up well-trod alien bughunt with even more anonymous redshirts than
Prometheus.
I think both Spaihts and Lindelof's versions have merits and flaws. I just think certain punches were pulled along the way for certain commercial reasons, and certain narrative corners cut for the sake of propulsion - too much propulsion. Most importantly, I think Ridley (while still very talented) is too focused on proving himself to still be current and relevant to allow a lot of scenes and post-traumatic fallout to breathe longer, a la
Alien. I don't think he'd let that be cut the same way today.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 09:51:52 AM
burger...cheeese..anything to do with the Original = bad
Better if David just created his own version
maybe prequel novel might answer about David and Alien
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Spoiler
That's a little better, so he never claims to have created the creature? Does David explain why he bombed the engineers with the goo? Is LV-426 ever mentioned or shown?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2017, 10:43:12 AM
https://letterboxd.com/film/alien-covenant/
Couple of so-so reviews.
Cannot stand letterboxd. Every idiot can register there and write his/her own review. Ignore it :)
Quotethe structure is largely the same in Spaihts' original draft, before the film turns into a straight-up well-trod alien bughunt with even more anonymous redshirts than Prometheus.
I agree. The structure is similar to Spaihts original draft Alien: Engineers with two Xenomorph and an Ultramorph. Scott swept away the Xenos and introduced Concept which was originally thought for Alien.
So original Alien concepts were used in Prometheus and original Prometheus concepts are used in Alien Covenant.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2017, 10:43:12 AM
https://letterboxd.com/film/alien-covenant/
Couple of so-so reviews.
Cannot stand letterboxd. Every idiot can register there and write his/her own review. Ignore it :)
Actually once a film's been out for a good while, the approval system tends to end up ranking the 'best' reviews at the top of the pile. Since it's still to a certain extent dominated by cinephiles you usually get some interesting feedback floating up. I think IMDB has/had a similar system, but that site's got its own problems. That's not to say that the more popular film pages on Letterboxd aren't full of the usual superficial single-paragraph reviews or incoherent one-liners... they just don't get upvoted in the long run.
Also the idea that the majority of career film critics wouldn't fall under your 'every idiot' category is laughable (although if you only trust those, a bunch of them have Letterboxd profiles and post there).
https://twitter.com/Comixace/status/860859500881989632
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 02:13:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Comixace/status/860859500881989632
This just made me happy. Fury Road is one of my favorites.
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Spoiler
so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 06, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
Quotethe structure is largely the same in Spaihts' original draft, before the film turns into a straight-up well-trod alien bughunt with even more anonymous redshirts than Prometheus.
I agree. The structure is similar to Spaihts original draft Alien: Engineers with two Xenomorph and an Ultramorph. Scott swept away the Xenos and introduced Concept which was originally thought for Alien.
So original Alien concepts were used in Prometheus and original Prometheus concepts are used in Alien Covenant.
Spoiler
So there are two Xenos in addition to two Neomorphs?
Intense is a key word. Cannot wait till Thursday!
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Spoiler
so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
Spoiler
So covenant crew it's not first group that go paradise ? (not count david and shawn)
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After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
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To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
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so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
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By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
When does embargo end? Is it today?
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Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
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To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
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so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
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By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
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Or David found the egg/recipe (someone else's toys) and Experiment/Study them (played with them)
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
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so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
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By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
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Or David found the egg/recipe (someone else's toys) and Experiment/Study them (played with them)
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Hopefully this! I know that all creatures so far do share a common source in some regard but I definitely want David to have created his own version from learning about Xenos (that already exist) and how the Engineers made them rather than him being the creator of the original Aliens.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
When does embargo end? Is it today?
. .i think it is around 9 this evening. .11 for me cause this site is 2 hours behind my time zone in south africa. .
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
Once they land on the planet, the movie overall moves really fast
I rewatched '
Aliens', for the first time in a few years, the other evening. If you haven't done so in a while, the pacing really stands out: It's not the action which refuses to let up. It's the oppressive
atmosphere. Cameron handles the mixture of action and gradual ticking time-bomb really well. There's a whole lot of down-time, but he uses it wisely. The character development is interspersed well enough that it never feels like it's focusing on those moments to the detriment of progressing ths situation.
The closest you ever get to that is Gateway Station and that's broken up by the dream sequence and Ripley's hearing, where she's so passionate and convincing in her outburst, that Weaver's performance forever makes it every bit as compelling to watch as the later action sequences.
I can't judge this film before watching it, obviously, but if it is just one long constant action sequence, then it's missed out on learning some lessons on how '
Aliens' provided balance in pacing.
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 02:21:17 PM
This just made me happy. Fury Road is one of my favorites.
Not sure what to make of that. I never really understood the hype for '
Fury Road' after I'd seen it. Never felt particularly intense.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
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so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
Spoiler
By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
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Or David found the egg/recipe (someone else's toys) and Experiment/Study them (played with them)
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Hopefully this! I know that all creatures so far do share a common source in some regard but I definitely want David to have created his own version from learning about Xenos (that already exist) and how the Engineers made them rather than him being the creator of the original Aliens.
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Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Spoiler
so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
Spoiler
By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
Spoiler
Or David found the egg/recipe (someone else's toys) and Experiment/Study them (played with them)
Spoiler
Hopefully this! I know that all creatures so far do share a common source in some regard but I definitely want David to have created his own version from learning about Xenos (that already exist) and how the Engineers made them rather than him being the creator of the original Aliens.
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Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Yep. :'(
I will never understand why they did it. It's laughably bad.
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
After seeing the film, I kinda think the marketing team should really limit any new footage they allow out by now, they're getting close to showing the entire bloody thing.
David creation argument:
Spoiler
To me it seems more... He found someone else's toys and played with them
Spoiler
so he just replicated what already existed? I hope this is true as that would put my worries to rest.
Spoiler
By "played with them" he means David creates the Alien as we know it. You can still point to things like the trilobite inpregnating an engineer with a deacon and the acid blood of the space cobra if you want to say, "but David didn't truly create the alien! He was just playing with engineer toys."
Spoiler
Or David found the egg/recipe (someone else's toys) and Experiment/Study them (played with them)
Spoiler
Hopefully this! I know that all creatures so far do share a common source in some regard but I definitely want David to have created his own version from learning about Xenos (that already exist) and how the Engineers made them rather than him being the creator of the original Aliens.
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
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Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE
Well damn... :-\
Really appreciate you guys using spoiler tags!
I should probably stay off of here for the next two weeks but all the same, thanks for keeping the spoilers hidden.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE
Well damn... :-\
Calm down,many previous page i said that The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray reveal that Peter,David and weyland team know about LV-426 signal before go LV 223 except Prometheus crew.
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE
Well damn... :-\
Calm down,many previous page i said that The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray reveal that Peter,David and weyland team know about LV-426 signal before go LV 223 except Prometheus crew.
Do you think they would have any problems ignoring that?
Because they're just going to ignore it.
Quote from: Evanus on May 06, 2017, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE
Well damn... :-\
Calm down,many previous page i said that The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray reveal that Peter,David and weyland team know about LV-426 signal before go LV 223 except Prometheus crew.
Do you think they would have any problems ignoring that?
Because they're just going to ignore it.
I don't know i didn't watch movie yet.
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 06, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 03:05:56 PM
Spoiler
Either way, David creates the Alien as we know it. The classical alien is David's "version."
Spoiler
How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Leaked from 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE
Well damn... :-\
Calm down,many previous page i said that The Peter Weyland Files from Prometheus Blu-Ray reveal that Peter,David and weyland team know about LV-426 signal before go LV 223 except Prometheus crew.
I am calm... :laugh: just mocking myself with over reactions :P I won't lie though, I really am massively disappointed that
Spoiler
the movie seems to indicate David created Xenos...or at least that is what 4chan seems to believe.
Nah those leaks are fake.
They are just saying what SciFied, and guess what? That "leak" can only be found at Scified.
https://twitter.com/Amirosie/status/860894630673432576
Quote from: SrSpinelli on May 06, 2017, 04:35:54 PM
Nah those leaks are fake.
They are just saying what SciFied, and guess what? That "leak" can only be found at Scified.
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All internet fakery aside, Covenant still indicates that David created the Alien as we know it.
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Looks like Variety tried to put up their review early, but was taken down.
http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/)
Yeah. I posted the same at
News and Social Media :)
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Looks like Variety tried to put up their review early, but was taken down.
http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/)
Yeah. I posted the same at News and Social Media :)
Sorry about that.
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:51:28 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Looks like Variety tried to put up their review early, but was taken down.
http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/)
Yeah. I posted the same at News and Social Media :)
Sorry about that.
It's OK mate. I didn't know that you posted it and you didn't know that I posted it :) Nothing happened.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:51:28 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Looks like Variety tried to put up their review early, but was taken down.
http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/)
Yeah. I posted the same at News and Social Media :)
Sorry about that.
It's OK mate. I didn't know that you posted it and you didn't know that I posted it :) Nothing happened.
Thanks. :)
. .yeah i was pissed when i realized they had taken it down. .and very quick as well. .
I understand that the review of Variety is mixed (according to some tweet): A film Alien made for those who adore the beast + lack of philosophy in the Prometheus, + not original + stunning visually.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
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How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Spoiler
No, I'm not trolling. We have every indication from test screenings, leaks, and trailers that David creates the Alien in Covenant. Every suggestion put forth about David merely recreating or resurrecting the alien is pure fan fiction not borne out in the film, and exist simply because a lot of people don't like the idea.
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
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How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Spoiler
No, I'm not trolling. We have every indication from test screenings, leaks, and trailers that David creates the Alien in Covenant. Every suggestion put forth about David merely recreating or resurrecting the alien is pure fan fiction not borne out in the film, and exist simply because a lot of people don't like the idea.
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There is a difference between creating the few aliens we see in Covenant and creating all the aliens, including the ones from the original movies. I know Ridley is the king of pulling retcons out of his old ass, but I want to see him try to explain how the eggs in the derelict on LV-426 fit within that nonsense.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 06, 2017, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
Once they land on the planet, the movie overall moves really fast
I rewatched 'Aliens', for the first time in a few years, the other evening. If you haven't done so in a while, the pacing really stands out: It's not the action which refuses to let up. It's the oppressive atmosphere. Cameron handles the mixture of action and gradual ticking time-bomb really well. There's a whole lot of down-time, but he uses it wisely. The character development is interspersed well enough that it never feels like it's focusing on those moments to the detriment of progressing ths situation.
The closest you ever get to that is Gateway Station and that's broken up by the dream sequence and Ripley's hearing, where she's so passionate and convincing in her outburst, that Weaver's performance forever makes it every bit as compelling to watch as the later action sequences.
I can't judge this film before watching it, obviously, but if it is just one long constant action sequence, then it's missed out on learning some lessons on how 'Aliens' provided balance in pacing.
Quote from: salomonj on May 06, 2017, 02:21:17 PM
This just made me happy. Fury Road is one of my favorites.
Not sure what to make of that. I never really understood the hype for 'Fury Road' after I'd seen it. Never felt particularly intense.
I agree. Cameron let Aliens breathe so much, and with Covenant it just moves a bit too quickly in my opinion.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 06, 2017, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 06, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
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How sure are you of that? Did you see the movie or is that just your personaly belief? Did David actually say he created them (the real Xenos) or just the eggs that we see? I hope you are not trolling now, this matter is serious to me. :laugh:
Spoiler
No, I'm not trolling. We have every indication from test screenings, leaks, and trailers that David creates the Alien in Covenant. Every suggestion put forth about David merely recreating or resurrecting the alien is pure fan fiction not borne out in the film, and exist simply because a lot of people don't like the idea.
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There is a difference between creating the few aliens we see in Covenant and creating all the aliens, including the ones from the original movies. I know Ridley is the king of pulling retcons out of his old ass, but I want to see him try to explain how the eggs in the derelict on LV-426 fit within that nonsense.
He will.... it is intended to be all due to that one person.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Comixace/status/860859500881989632 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Comixace/status/860859500881989632)
https://mobile.twitter.com/CinescapeCast/status/860885564492480518 (https://mobile.twitter.com/CinescapeCast/status/860885564492480518)
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmychampane/status/860715417920196608 (https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmychampane/status/860715417920196608)
Quote from: juxtapose on May 06, 2017, 05:02:42 PM
. .yeah i was pissed when i realized they had taken it down. .and very quick as well. .
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May be you should try this link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lLCLcNrWcoMJ:variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/&num=1&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0
When does the review embargo lift again? I can't find the post.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 06, 2017, 05:54:22 PM
When does the review embargo lift again? I can't find the post.
In 5 hours.
Quote
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There is a difference between creating the few aliens we see in Covenant and creating all the aliens, including the ones from the original movies. I know Ridley is the king of pulling retcons out of his old ass, but I want to see him try to explain how the eggs in the derelict on LV-426 fit within that nonsense.
I've not seen the film, but it would imply that the Juggernaut (or another) manages to leave Paradise with 'somebody' on board, who is carrying an Alien Queen.. You just have to forget the fossil thing, which is incorrect anyway..
Review of Variety, certainly spoilers ...
https://twitter.com/greenshirtny/status/860913768611680256
https://twitter.com/Amirosie/status/860910692001501184
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 06:00:48 PM
Review of Variety, certainly spoilers ...
https://twitter.com/greenshirtny/status/860913768611680256
I need bigger spectacles. Cannot see a thing. Getting old :)
Damn. Variety says the philosophical content is superficial at best, and that it's a sequel to Prometheus in story but not spirit. My interest is almost zero after reading that.
It also contains a ton of spoilers, so beware.
https://twitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/860902999635496960
Variety (Spoilers)
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Too many spoilers. I don't read it.
Spirit of Prometheus? Give me the Alien spirit.
It mentions the pacing issues that Hicks (I think it was) mentioned, not keen on the use of "stupid/curious person" trope, the review says Oram goes to the planet/moon....just cuz.
Quote from: Protozoid on May 06, 2017, 06:14:26 PM
Damn. Variety says the philosophical content is superficial at best, and that it's a sequel to Prometheus in story but not spirit. My interest is almost zero after reading that.
It also contains a ton of spoilers, so beware.
Zero interest after reading one review? Come on man! :) Are you really that surprised regarding the lack of philosophical content? I'm not at all. Not without a reason the movie's got
Alien in the title, not
Prometheus. It's a sci-fi action thriller with a bit of philosophy.
Quote from: 343 on May 06, 2017, 06:16:57 PM
Too many spoilers. I don't read it.
Spirit of Prometheus? Give me the Alien spirit.
Too bad both spirits couldn't have been given faithful sequels.
Who cares about Rotten Potatoes? :) Gladiator has got 76% on potatometer. Even Roger Ebert gave it 2 out of 4. So what? Aronofsky's The Fountain received 51% and I love this movie.
The issues with pacing could mean the aliens end up bursting much sooner after impregnation than what was shown in the original, something I imagine causing a bit of consternation among the fans.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 06, 2017, 06:14:26 PM
Damn. Variety says the philosophical content is superficial at best, and that it's a sequel to Prometheus in story but not spirit. My interest is almost zero after reading that.
It also contains a ton of spoilers, so beware.
Zero interest after reading one review? Come on man! :) Are you really that surprised regarding the lack of philosophical content? I'm not at all. Not without a reason the movie's got Alien in the title, not Prometheus. It's a sci-fi action thriller with a bit of philosophy.
Almost zero, I said. I'm still here, aren't I?
I'm not surprised this one is less philosophical, but I am disappointed. Prometheus could have been a uniquely sophisticated, adult franchise. I supported that, and I know I'm not alone. I'm entitled to some disappointment when they deliver a less tasteful sequel.
Yeah, I wish it had followed more in Prometheus's footsteps. This film doesn't look nearly as good.
. .those philosophical footsteps was truly reviiting!. . Time to bring in the aliens!!!
It depends what you want. The Walter - David scenes are enough philosophical content and enough Prometheus for me.
"As acts of creation go, Scott has made an Alien movie for a certain segment of the audience that has always rooted for the monster."
I don't have a problem with this.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 06, 2017, 06:39:01 PM
"As acts of creation go, Scott has made an Alien movie for a certain segment of the audience that has always rooted for the monster."
I don't have a problem with this.
Neither do I. It's Alien movie. Some people will complain that
Covenant isn't original. What did they expect?
Is
The Force Awakens original? No. Did I enjoy it? Hell yeah.
Enjoyable review from Variety there (though they could've cut down on the spoilers). Their positives and negatives seem to align with my initial feeling regarding the tone and direction Ridley was taking this.
Still,I will definitely checkout A:Covenant because I'm a fan of this odd little inconsistent franchise,its inconsistencies being one of it's charms.
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 06, 2017, 06:39:01 PM
"As acts of creation go, Scott has made an Alien movie for a certain segment of the audience that has always rooted for the monster."
I don't have a problem with this.
Neither do I. It's Alien movie. Some people will complain that Covenant isn't original. What did they expect?
Is The Force Awakens original? No. Did I enjoy it? Hell yeah.
This.
But it could have been original. Prometheus was more original than this. But now they're going back to making less original, simple Alien movies.
I'm sure I'll like this movie, but I'm also disappointed because it could have been so much more.
http://thehypedgeek.com/alien-covenant-review/?utm_content=buffer42278&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Found this review from the Reddit page. It's spoiler free, but he al gave it 3/5.
The more I think on the film, the more flaws I'm starting to see. I still like it overall, more than any film after Aliens, and will definitely buy the Blu-Ray but I feel like a lot of the issues should have been fixed prior to filming. How could they not have figured this stuff out, especially pacing and character.
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"As acts of creation go, Scott has made an Alien movie for a certain segment of the audience that has always rooted for the monster."
I don't have a problem with this.
Neither do I. It's Alien movie. Some people will complain that Covenant isn't original. What did they expect?
Is The Force Awakens original? No. Did I enjoy it? Hell yeah.
This.
I wish I was that easy to please. I thought Prometheus left the bar a bit higher than that.
There is something Scott likes to say: you need to stick to your guns. Ridley is at his best when he does that. He didn't stick by his guns this time. I'm disappointed in him for pandering instead of sticking to his guns.
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Too many spoilers. I don't read it.
Spirit of Prometheus? Give me the Alien spirit.
Too bad both spirits couldn't have been given faithful sequels.
Hell, they could've had both spirits in one movie. If Prometheus was slightly remixed it could've had both. I'd love a philosophical film that also thrills. Seems like Covenant turned the philosophy knob way down.
"A solid enough sci-fi thriller, with some gory jump scares, but is that what you want from an Alien film?"
But the
Alien films have always done this. I'm confused as what more can you expect from an Alien film? People know what they're getting from an Alien movie.
I mean I guess they do.
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Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 06, 2017, 06:39:01 PM
"As acts of creation go, Scott has made an Alien movie for a certain segment of the audience that has always rooted for the monster."
I don't have a problem with this.
Neither do I. It's Alien movie. Some people will complain that Covenant isn't original. What did they expect?
Is The Force Awakens original? No. Did I enjoy it? Hell yeah.
This.
I wish I was that easy to please. I thought Prometheus left the bar a bit higher than that.
There is something Scott likes to say: you need to stick to your guns. Ridley is at his best when he does that. He didn't stick by his guns this time. I'm disappointed in him for pandering instead of sticking to his guns.
Yeah, it raised the bar, but failed in a lot of ways with its intentions. But warts and all I like
Prometheus. I'm getting ready to watch it again.
Oh brother....I can't believe people are already writing this movie off based on a few reviews. It's not going to satisfy everyone, we know this ahead of time. Be glad we are getting prequals to something historical. Instead of another crappy remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Halloween.
whats wrong with texas chainsaw? the remakes were dope
Oh god, you're missing his point.
BACK ON TOPIC!
Expecting more than "gory jump scares" from an Alien movie means having too high standards? lulz
sorry mommy.
the point is that prometheus and covenant are all crappy remakes of Alien ;)
i like alien so i dont care. thehypedgeek review is promising it has a solid C rated horror vibe, around Alien3 level which is very very good.
just to be clear about my ratings:
A, Alien, Aliens, Interview with a vampire, Shining, American Psycho, Let The Right One In, 28 Days Later, Thing, Mist
B, Ring, Dawn of the Dead, Paranormal Activity, Blair Witch, The Descent, Cabin in The Woods, Scream, Saw, Dracula, Event Horizon
C, Rec, Alien3, Final Destination, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2006, Hills Have Eyes, Cloverfield, Hostel, Life
D, Prometheus, Alien4
F/G, AVPs, Resident Evil
Would be pretty neat if it would make it to a C category for me
I can only imagine the response when people actually see the film.....
I haven't been scared....jump scare or otherwise, in the cinema for many moons. Hopefully AC can achieve this. Prometheus was a disappointment (in my opinion) so am optimistic this will be an improvement.
Going to eat my pizza and wait for the reviews to hit. Fingers crossed
Scott is a smart business man. And regardless of what he thought, or didn't think, of Blomkamp's film, I feel Covenant ended up being a strategic release on his part. I'm 94% sure that Covenant was Scott's reaction to Blomkamp's film being greenlit. Sounds like the Aliens were added kinda last second to appease both fans and the studio, so There wouldn't be any upcoming Aliens films overshadowing Covenant. They ended up dialing back the philosophy and turning up the Aliens.
I have a hunch that the next one is going to go back to the big ideas, questions, and cerebral qualities that Prometheus presented now that nothing is really standing in his way.
I'm sure I'm going to enjoy this film a lot, though. No single review ever hindered my undying love for Prometheus!
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
Expecting more than "gory jump scares" from an Alien movie means having too high standards? lulz
But the film I'm sure is more than just "gory jump scares." I still think the David aspect of the story will give it a bit more meat. Of course not as much as
Prometheus.
QuoteA solid enough sci-fi thriller, with some gory jump scares, but is that what you want from an Alien film?
Seriously? I knew it would happened. First they complained about
Prometheus for its lack of real horror and gore and now some will moan about lack of sophisticated ideas and philosophy in
Covenant. Some people cannot be pleased no matter how hard you try.
Every franchise's got its own DNA.
Star Trek,
Star Wars,
Terminator and so on. No-brainer.
Naw Alien had both, an managed it just fine.
edit: Aliens sure gave up on the philosophical approach but Aliens is an atmospheric monster, if Covenant would just repeat that id be pleased, but im starting to doubt it.
Quote from: Ulm on May 06, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
I haven't been scared....jump scare or otherwise, in the cinema for many moons. Hopefully AC can achieve this. Prometheus was a disappointment (in my opinion) so am optimistic this will be an improvement.
Going to eat my pizza and wait for the reviews to hit. Fingers crossed
OT me neither since scare is about jump scares and loud voices nowdays not about suspense. Life pulled the suspense horror part pretty well lately. Much hope for Covenant since the leaked 10 min vid was indeed suspensful aswell.
How long until the review embargo is lifted?
Quote from: Semaka on May 06, 2017, 07:42:50 PM
How long until the review embargo is lifted?
Few hours I think.
The embargo lifts in just under 8 hours.
Sorry gents. The embargo that ends in 8 hours means what? That people who's has seen the movie can discuss the plot details a whole week before release?
Yes, and all media outlets can publish their reviews.
Can we get spoiler thread ?
It's entirely possible that Covenant needs more time to digest after multiple viewings before we really get into the philosophical or deeper aspects to pick apart and dissect. There could be all sorts of things Ridley snuck in there, incubating like an alien embryo in our heads that are just waiting to burst forth. :D
Do people really want a full spoilers thread? Lol
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 06, 2017, 07:52:18 PM
Yes, and all media outlets can publish their reviews.
Oh. Won't that deter people from watching the movie? No surprises etc? The question isn't just directed at you.
I don't remember that happening with Prometheus. Alas my memory ain't the best.
Quote from: Predaker on May 06, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
It's entirely possible that Covenant needs more time to digest after multiple viewings before we really get into the philosophical or deeper aspects to pick apart and dissect. There could be all sorts of things Ridley snuck in there, incubating like an alien embryo in our heads that are just waiting to burst forth. :D
Very true. At
surface, Alien is just a haunted house thriller in space. But, when really delved into, there are quite literally layers upon layers of philosophy and esoteric symbolism woven into it's fibers that, if the time and effort is put in, can be taken away to shed an entirely new understanding on the film. You just have to observe and critically think!
Reviews aren't exactly completely breakdowns of the film. Mine is detailed but I don't give a play-by-play. We'll have a new thread for the reviews when they the embargo lifts.
Having just skimmed over the last few pages - Oram was the only character I really had any issues with and that was literally due to the stuff we've already seen previewed to the press.
I disagree the film has no meat to it though. It's not just a retread of Alien. While it's not high-and-mighty-lofty thing like Prometheus wanted to be, it still has a similar and constant theme throughout that I thought drove it.
Will Covenant make Prometheus a better film?
That actually sounds very encouraging. Yes that's the point hope that it makes Prom "better" or more acceptable. I hope the mystery vibe has an ancient feel to it. Can't wait for your review Corporal. Will Huda and Xenomorphine and Ridgetop also post reviews tomorrow ?
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Yeah, I don't think Ridley's had that in him with genre stuff so much in the last decade, maybe longer. The Ridley of today would never let Alien breathe so much, IMO. Again, I think he feels a drive to compete with younger auteurs.
He always was like that. He NEVER was old school.
Saw GLADIATOR, BLACK HAWK DOWN and even THE MARTIAN. His editing was NEVER old school too. His style was always very modern or post-modern.
This is just me nitpicking on the Variety review but isn't the wording incorrect here:
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"Oram would surely have strong feelings about David's misbehavior if the movie ever slowed down long enough let him consider the teleological questions raised by a robot playing God."
Teleological would sort of make sense in the context but as it specifically mentions Oram, shouldn't it say "theological" instead?
Why did that one review say this was one of Franco's best performances. Lol
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This is just me nitpicking on the Variety review but isn't the wording incorrect here:
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"Oram would surely have strong feelings about David's misbehavior if the movie ever slowed down long enough let him consider the teleological questions raised by a robot playing God."
Teleological would sort of make sense in the context but as it specifically mentions Oram, shouldn't it say "theological" instead?
Well to be fair, the guy is a writer who has a hard time using the right form of "its/it's" so I'm not entirely sure you can expect that much from them.
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Yes he clearly meant "theological" if he is referring to Oram's possible issues with David. I mean teleological sort of makes sense within the context he uses it but I have no idea why those philosophical consierations would be particular to that character.
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Why would David playing God actually raise any theological questions for a believer (i assume Oram is a believer?) unless he starts thinking David actually is God?
Would Trump declaring himself to be God raise any theological questions for a believer?
Quote from: Protozoid on May 06, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
I got the impression from the behind the scenes footage on the Prometheus blu-ray that Scott defers to his editor a great deal, and Scalia is a ruthless, opinionated editor who is obsessed with pacing. I think it really hurt the way Prometheus and The Counselor were received, in particular. Just about every Scalia movie I've seen has a superior extended version.
But he always works with Pietro Scalia. Maybe because Pietro Scalia works very fast just like him.
Pietro Scalia won his second Oscar for his editing in BLACK HAWK DOWN.
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Because David creating any sort of "new" life form (especially a new life form which comes from experimenting on humanity itself) flies in the face of religious Creationist myths.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
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Why would David playing God actually raise any theological questions for a believer (i assume Oran is a believer?) unless he starts thinking David actually is God?
Would Trump declaring himself God raise any theological questions for a believer?
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I would interpret that as all "believers" think that creating life belongs to God. Any mortal or android for that matter, would be committing sacrilege by doing so. However my post was just about the incorrect choice of words.
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Thats what i meant though, its obviously a sacrilege, wheres the theological question? But someone creating a new life form who isnt himself god surely raises a lot of teleological questions, for example this one: Is (doctrinal) Theology a false teleological concept of the world?
Er, I'm waiting to see the film for myself before I read journalist reviews. My own opinion is the most important.
Well, waiting for the review even with spoilers as spoilers can't prevent me to see a movie i want to see to have my own opinion.
I hope that this movie is way better than Prometheus which was a massive disapointment for me.
Prometheus should have featured smarter, more believable characters and a better development of the engineers.
Besides their achievement in bioengineering and David talk, there is close to nothing which show the so called advanced civilisation of the engineers.
The outpost gets wiped out by an outbreak and seing how easy it was for Prometheus crew, despite how dumb they are, to get access to a so called military research/storage facility, it is not hard to understand why they get killed by their own bio weapon.
Prometheus has painted engineers as children which were playing with advanced tech and which were unable to full master it and it is quite disapointing.
It is a bit sad that, at least from the trailers, there is noting to redeem the engineers in Covenant.
Not only they seem unable to protect themselves from their own weapons, especially black goo, once again but there are reasons to believe that they are not even the creators of the Xenomorph. Assuming that they don't create humans they seem more and more irrevelant and useless. There could have been no engineer in the story and it won't change a lot of things but perhaps make the story lore consistent.
I expected to learn more on the engineers in Covenant and to have them shown on a better light in Covenant but it seems that it is not the case.
I hope that the creatures and the characters will be enough to make the movie better/more entertaining than Prometheus.
I have great hope for the Neomorph scenes as i doubt that it is possible to really impress me with anything from the Xenomorph.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 06, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
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Thats what i meant though, its obviously a sacrilege, wheres the theological question? But someone creating a new life form who isnt himself god surely raises a lot of teleological questions, for example this one: Is (doctrinal) Theology a false concept of the world?
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Theology isn't really my field but I don't think there could be a more theological question than the one of relating to creation. As far as I know most religions (probably Oram's as well) hold on to the fact that some higher being is responsible for creating life. For a mere robot, meant to serve us, to do so would be going against all that.
As for Theology being a "false concept" of the world, I don't know how that is at all related to the idea of purpose (telos).
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Why do people keep saying the ending is so messy? Bad editing? ???
Quote from: Evanus on May 06, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
Why do people keep saying the ending is so messy? Bad editing? ???
It doesn't ruin the film, just a little rushed, from one scene to the next. If they ever did an extended edition it'd need to linger a little longer on the final few acts. I'm seeing it again on May 11th so it'll be nice to just take it all in properly.
I hope there are still revelations and twists?
QuoteWith Ridley Scott back in his game, the future of the sequels seems promising, and I expect audiences will be asking for more after this genuinely terrifying ride.
GRADE: B+
Full review: http://splashreport.com/film-review-alien-covenant-terrifying-ridley-scott-classic/
Quote from: Ingwar on May 06, 2017, 09:31:27 PM
QuoteWith Ridley Scott back in his game, the future of the sequels seems promising, and I expect audiences will be asking for more after this genuinely terrifying ride.
GRADE: B+
Full review: http://splashreport.com/film-review-alien-covenant-terrifying-ridley-scott-classic/
Lol just beat me to that one.
Splashreport's review sounds genuinely impressed without being overly gushing - a well thought out, balanced review.
...btw, did Variety accidentally post their review 4 hours ago, then take it straight down? Tweets with the old link are still online :o
Why are reviews going up early
Avpgalaxy, and Empire are the ones that should matter. 8)
Link to the cached Variety review (It was posted accidentally way too soon!);
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lLCLcNrWcoMJ:variety.com/2017/film/reviews/alien-covenant-review-1202409157/&num=1&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0
Slasher Report said it's the most satisfying film since the first. That's a pretty bold statement.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 06, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
Slasher Report said it's the most satisfying film since the first. That's a pretty bold statement.
Not quite. It says "probably one of the best films since the first."
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messy third act makes me a little disheartened. Alien had the perfect third act, I thought.
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I think it just means that it is rushed. From what we've seen so far a hell of a lot is packed into a 2hr run time. It already sounds like it needs an extra 15 minutes to stretch things out a little and give the characters time to ponder.
Problem is with this and Prometheus they try and cut it down under 2 hrs for some reason, when the longer cut would work much better.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 06, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
Problem is with this and Prometheus they try and cut it down under 2 hrs for some reason, when the longer cut would work much better.
Cameron had to do the same thing with Aliens, the intended version was over two hours but he was forced to cut it back by Fox.
Longer films are not automatically better and be ass numbers but more time would allow breather scenes and chances for further character development.
If this was Star Wars, Jurassic Park, or a Marvel film I'd understand cutting down the run time to get in as many viewings per day as possible. Alien isn't going to make $150 million its opening weekend so I don't understand why it's so important to meet a specific run time. I have to think that this was an artistic decision to edit it in this manner.
Yeah, extended versions aren't necessarily for the better. I love the stuff in 'Aliens' which deals with the colony (it reinforces how dead it feeels by comparison, later on, when you see the residents and children going about their usual daily lives), but think it feels too coincidental to have Newt be a random last survivor and for her parents to be the ones which first encounter the creatures.
Then there are unexplained changes, like how the new version of 'Alien' reinserts the Space Jockey signal, yet changed it from genuinely unsettling audio to a generic digital signal, which makes the crew's reactions to it nonsensical.
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but think it feels too coincidental to have Newt be a random last survivor and for her parents to be the ones which first encounter the creatures.
Well said. That always bothered me too.
The Splashreport review says A- instead of B+. Maybe they changed their mind.
The embargo is lifted in France, the returns are catastrophic, worse than Prometheus ...
Telling a story as the goal is not the same as collecting lots of money.
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The embargo is lifted in France, the returns are catastrophic, worse than Prometheus ...
Well, they're French, what do you expect? Blame Derrida.
The Variety review hints at the end of the movie. This is a potential
HUGE SPOILER Spoiler
If David controls the creatures at the end with a "magic flute," I'm out.
Where are the French reviews
Quote from: Ulm on May 06, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
The Splashreport review says A- instead of B+. Maybe they changed their mind.
Yeah, I'll take a A-! That's what they gave Logan
Quote from: rustyredraccoon on May 06, 2017, 10:58:03 PM
The Variety review hints at the end of the movie. This is a potential HUGE SPOILER
Spoiler
If David controls the creatures at the end with a "magic flute," I'm out.
I think they're talking about
Spoiler
David killing Walter with the flute. Him controlling the alien(s) with the flute would be stupid, but I can see it happening. :-\
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The embargo is lifted in France, the returns are catastrophic, worse than Prometheus ...
Lol where is the proof???
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The embargo is lifted in France, the returns are catastrophic, worse than Prometheus ...
Well, they're French, what do you expect? Blame Derrida.
I am French and there is nothing review on the general website of review. After may be isolated review but no consensus. expect
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http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 06, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
I think it just means that it is rushed. From what we've seen so far a hell of a lot is packed into a 2hr run time. It already sounds like it needs an extra 15 minutes to stretch things out a little and give the characters time to ponder.
The runtime of ALIEN(1979) is only 2 hours.
I love the FRANTIC style of ALIEN: COVENANT. I love that review: "It's the most intense movie since MAD MAX: FURY ROAD".
Retro HD.com review. 4/5 stars!!
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Quote In 2012, with the idea of ​​relaunching the Alien saga, Ridley Scott threw a pavement into the pond with a prequel of a disproportionate ambition. Under the leadership of Damon Lindelof in the script, Prometheus was a real test by this desire to develop the origins of this almost evil entity haunting the cinema for 40 years. The filming of the film hardly began until the last jets of the scenario were not yet validated. This explains the 36 cut or alternative scenes completing the various video editions of the film.
Prometheus is an ambitious film, strong and sublime in its design. The feature film is also an imperfect essay, even sick, due to a vision not defined by Scott himself and the different drafts of the story. But a few years after its release, Prometheus reports on its relevance, Ridley Scott's unparalleled know-how, but above all to be a complex and effective entertainment.
Prometheus inevitably announced a sequel, this new chapter of the Alien saga not illuminated by a single film. Prometheus answered a few questions while raising many others. Six years later, Ridley Scott again won the command of the sequel, with the ambition to illuminate the mystical gleams of a series of films not asking so much.
It is true that besides a hardcore fan base, it would have been nice to fall into the bag of these multiple explanations. Did Alien, first of the name, and its aftermath, really call it a forced illumination? Sincerely, notwithstanding the fact that the two sequences ensuing from it are today as generous, ambitious, but especially timely films. After 4 feature films with very distinct personalities, difficult to renew a saga with little to say after a majestic and morbid Resurrection. A draft of a new, forward-looking, but far-reaching leadership, Prometheus emerges today on Covenant. Name of settler / pioneer ship traveling to an unknown land for a new life, crew members awakened after a technical incident find out what they think is a paradise still untouched. It is actually a dark and dangerous world, hiding a terrible threat. They will try everything to escape.
If the introduction indirectly clings to Prometheus, Fox and Ridley Scott's intention is to revive the passionate flame toward the original universe of the Eighth Passenger. From the first moments, Scott takes the viewer and fans through feelings with the cherished theme of Jerry Goldsmith become famous for the first film. A composition that will nourish the whole film in the image of fixed parallels such as a bridge builder between Prometheus and Alien. Alien - Covenant will not answer all the questions, but will proudly buckle some surprisingly. We will not pass here by the spoilers box leaving you the privilege of discoveries in the same way as this group of settlers proudly posing on this new planet. What Ridley Scott is doing with Alien - Covenant is not to lose the viewer on the road with the deployment of a so-called philosophy calling for our origins. With this sequel and with the help of Dante Harper, but especially John Logan, more down-to-earth screenwriter than Damon Lindelof, the director of Gladiator goes straight to the point, in the darkest horror . If he uses the predominant codes of saga (the relationship between man and machine, the right to creation, life, motherhood and the protection of a form of life), he accompanies the viewer towards a darkness Unexploited in previous films. One enters the den of the Creator, of the one whose horror will explode taking itself for god. At the heart of a cold, unhealthy and sincerely cold sequence, John Logan quotes Mary Shelley (creator of Frankenstein among others), Alien-Covenant's main and direct reference. A theme dear to the screenwriter who owes the Penny Dreadful series raising this same vision of creation.
If John Logan raises the veil on some crucial points of the saga, he does so with finesse and dexterity. He had dared to give origins to James Bond for Sam Mendes, he will give morbid origins to the Alien for Ridley Scott. As if he were the man of all perilous situations revealing the origins of some great cinema myths. Man has all the latitude to do it, confidence, but above all talent to make sense of it. Afterwards, for James Bond, the antagonism established towards the hero falls like a catapult shot. But it has been known since the production of the film, especially in the sense to give to this final, was complex by the rightful claimants. Here, the last word comes back to Ridley Scott giving himself all the rights, in particular to annihilate the Alien 5 wished by Neil Blomkamp. But the director is pleased with this partnership simplifying the lucubrations of Damon Lindeloff on Prometheus. John Logan ensures a more manageable cushioning for the continuation, a counting preserving a light production, a history less complex, but above all logical.
This stripping is not without consequence. Inevitably, John Logan annihilates all the mystical and philosophical dimension instilled by Lindeloff and the other writers on the previous film. Engineers, for example, clearly go to the trap door. They will remain the decoration of a mortifying place, the proofs of a calculating and cold act, the premeditation of an act not so surprising leading to the history of the myth. They will be the first witnesses of the overthrow of madness, the inexplicable one referring to this tiny man-machine relationship. Alien - Covenant clings to this cherished theme of the Alien saga, that of this relationship so fine in the relationship between men and machines. Is man so far from the monster? This same man created a machine in his image, melting in the mass to become his equal. Man is no longer the creator, but as raises the introduction of Covenant, the design of the monster who has applied himself to become the father.
The first quadrilogy raised the theme of the "Mother", notably by James Cameron's vision in Aliens (the director's cut version to privilege), but also in filigree by Scott himself with "Mother", the module managing the Nostromo, But also the Covenant. It is Ripley who will take over this mother figure, she lost her daughter (Aliens), before returning to it by protecting Newt. The fight with the Queen will raise this same point between two protectors of their ecosystems and progeny. Fincher will follow up by making him mother a queen in Alien 3 and Jeunet will make her the mother of a new race of Alien in the Resurrection following the morbid experiences of the new company.
For this new quadrilogy, Ridley Scott and John Logan have the fine idea to develop the notion of the father. This father, the creator of a new race, set himself face to face with him, praising the beauty and purity of what Peter Weyland was looking for in Prometheus. This immortality of the body and a new ecosystem taking these rights on this "Paradise Lost", the first draft of Covenant, makes sense here. This lost paradise becomes the new land of a breed in the making, this earth taking on the meaning of the writings of Mary Shelley and HG Wells, the adept of discovery, creation of materials, bodies and distant travels. By Alien - Covenant, one enters at the heart of the notion of the father, this creator bringing his seed to the manipulation and edifying gestation of a new supreme race. Ridley Scott finally comes to give a meaning to this whole thing, Prometheus no longer becoming that sick sketch, but this majestic introduction (certainly imperfect) to this Covenant, a monstrous point becoming crucial to a new journey towards darkness, Will not hear you scream.
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Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
On twitter..
https://twitter.com/Zephorstuff/status/860989256847822848
https://twitter.com/PopCornGameFr/status/860988056416989189
https://twitter.com/Chandleyr/status/860980777311510528
https://twitter.com/dove_season/status/860979671038558208
https://twitter.com/juljouanneau/status/860979076609323008
Few positif :
http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
Was going to make a Bad Boys 2 joke, but I'll save it for tonight.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 06, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
The runtime of ALIEN(1979) is only 2 hours.
I love the FRANTIC style of ALIEN: COVENANT. I love that review: "It's the most intense movie since MAD MAX: FURY ROAD".
That worked for Alien because it was designed as a slow-burner. Covenant doesn't appear to be the same in that regard.
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
On twitter..
https://twitter.com/Zephorstuff/status/860989256847822848
https://twitter.com/PopCornGameFr/status/860988056416989189
https://twitter.com/Chandleyr/status/860980777311510528
https://twitter.com/dove_season/status/860979671038558208
https://twitter.com/juljouanneau/status/860979076609323008
Few positif :
http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
Jouanneau is the only professional critic among them,I'd wait for more legit publications. Anyway,it's funny how he feels that it's too much Prometheus-esque (meant as a flaw),while the Variety critic thinks that its main flaw is the lack of the Prometheus' spirit. I really thinks Scott can't win.. :laugh:
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
On twitter..
https://twitter.com/Zephorstuff/status/860989256847822848
https://twitter.com/PopCornGameFr/status/860988056416989189
https://twitter.com/Chandleyr/status/860980777311510528
https://twitter.com/dove_season/status/860979671038558208
https://twitter.com/juljouanneau/status/860979076609323008
Few positif :
http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
What the hell is the deal with the french?
Like 4 out of 5 is positive about the movie and in France it is 1 out 5? ::) ???
Quote from: 343 on May 06, 2017, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
On twitter..
https://twitter.com/Zephorstuff/status/860989256847822848
https://twitter.com/PopCornGameFr/status/860988056416989189
https://twitter.com/Chandleyr/status/860980777311510528
https://twitter.com/dove_season/status/860979671038558208
https://twitter.com/juljouanneau/status/860979076609323008
Few positif :
http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
What the hell is the deal with the french?
Like 4 out of 5 is positive about the movie and in France it is 1 out 5? ::) ???
Idk, all the French tweets are shitting on it but the two reviews are positive lol
Ah, the French.
Is there a way to translate the reviews?
I'm telling you guys, it's Derrida's fault. "There's no transcendental signified," he said. Reap the whirlwind!
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
I totally agree with this.
Quote from: 343 on May 06, 2017, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 06, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
On twitter..
https://twitter.com/Zephorstuff/status/860989256847822848
https://twitter.com/PopCornGameFr/status/860988056416989189
https://twitter.com/Chandleyr/status/860980777311510528
https://twitter.com/dove_season/status/860979671038558208
https://twitter.com/juljouanneau/status/860979076609323008
Few positif :
http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html (http://retro-hd.com/critiques/cinema/1774-alien-covenant.html) 5/6
https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier (https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/critique/986680-alien-covenant-la-critique-que-personne-n-entendra-crier) 4/5
What the hell is the deal with the french?
Like 4 out of 5 is positive about the movie and in France it is 1 out 5? ::) ???
not even nudity. not enough sex with aliens like the french abomination they call Alien: resurrection.
And what is wrong with human/Xeno sex? Are you a bigot!?
Alien didn't have nudity or sex. The closest we get are Parker's skin mags or posters on his bunk, or the bit the rolled-up magazine. Aside from that, it's just Ripley in her space undies.
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 07, 2017, 12:23:30 AM
Alien didn't have nudity or sex. The closest we get are Parker's skin mags or posters on his bunk, or the bit the rolled-up magazine. Aside from that, it's just Ripley in her space undies.
And what lovely space undies they were.
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mystic primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was all related and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. I know that some people say that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch but used merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be completely exterminated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it!
I think Alien 3 will be considered a classic a decade from now.
Get a Life.....
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Good or bad things?
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mystic primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was all related and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. I know that some people say that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch but used merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be completely exterminated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it!
I think Alien 3 will be considered a classic a decade from now.
I loved it 2 decades ago
Alien 3 has had going on 3 decades. I think those chips have fallen where they may.
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
There's a creative choice with the music that actually killed the shower scene for me and made it more of the horror trope cliche that some people feared back when the first trailer dropped. And for the record, I overall liked the movie. 7/10 for me.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
There's a creative choice with the music that actually killed the shower scene for me and made it more of the horror trope cliche that some people feared back when the first trailer drop.
Are we talking something in the soundtrack or an actual song playing in the background here? I fear for the latter.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
There's a creative choice with the music that actually killed the shower scene for me and made it more of the horror trope cliche that some people feared back when the first trailer drop.
Now I'm really curious. Is the music on the soundtrack CD?
7/10 means the movie sucks
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
There's a creative choice with the music that actually killed the shower scene for me and made it more of the horror trope cliche that some people feared back when the first trailer dropped. And for the record, I overall liked the movie. 7/10 for me.
THIS?
IT was on the IMDB credits.
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
7/10 means the movie sucks
Not really. A 7/10 is basically a 3.5 star rating. This is just my first reaction. I'm still taking it all in.
Ridley should have gone META as f**k and gone with this:
:laugh:
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 07, 2017, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
I definitely have a few things to say about THAT shower scene once the embargo lifts.
Was it.. wet?
I'll reveal my problems in detail soon. With spoiler tags, of course.
Obviously I'm not interested in specifics because I don't want to spoil the film for myself, but can you say whether or not it was a disappointing scene, or whether it worked/didn't work?
There's a creative choice with the music that actually killed the shower scene for me and made it more of the horror trope cliche that some people feared back when the first trailer drop.
Now I'm really curious. Is the music on the soundtrack CD?
It's a pop/r&b song. I don't know who the artist is. It was better in the trailer as a quieter scene. Not sure why they added that damn song.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 01:09:40 AM
It's a pop/r&b song. I don't know who the artist is. It was better in the trailer as a quieter scene. Not sure why they added that damn song.
Oh f**k.
Oh my god! What? :D
Eeewwww. Ah well, I hope it doesn't completely ruin the scene for me.
That's probably one of the facepalm moments Hicks was referring to.
I love weird music choices in films! Haven't you guys ever watched Dawn of the Dead? :P
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
Eeewwww. Ah well, I hope it doesn't completely ruin the scene for me.
There's some side boob too.
But while we are on the topic of music, the score is fantastic. Loved hearing the Goldsmith homages in an Alien movie again. There's even a nice moment where they use a cue from the Prometheus score, and I don't think it's part of the soundtrack.
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 01:17:02 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
Eeewwww. Ah well, I hope it doesn't completely ruin the scene for me.
There's some side boob too.
But while we are in the topic of music, the score is fantastic. Loved hearing the Goldsmith homages in an Alien movie again. There's even a nice moment where they use a cue from the Prometheus score, and I don't think it's part of the soundtrack.
It's really nice to hear they used some Prometheus music. :)
I'm glad there's plenty of nip action in this film. :laugh:
Quote from: GQSioux on May 07, 2017, 01:07:33 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
7/10 means the movie sucks
Not really. A 7/10 is basically a 3.5 star rating. This is just my first reaction. I'm still taking it all in.
I suggest you see a second time like what I've been hearing people say they will do. A better appreciation you may have. ;)
https://mobile.twitter.com/Foodmancing/status/860959241397391360 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Foodmancing/status/860959241397391360)
Quote from: Dkwookie on May 07, 2017, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mystic primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was all related and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. I know that some people say that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch but used merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be completely exterminated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it!
I think Alien 3 will be considered a classic a decade from now.
I loved it 2 decades ago
I actually love it just as much as I love ALIEN. Out of the four original movies, A3 is the one that has aged the least and the movie that I appreciate more and more every time I watch it.
I kind of like how Ridley chose to incorporate the dimension of religion in PROM and A:C, which of course first appeared in A3 and then was kind of hinted at in A:R. The bald, ascetic looks of the Engineers, when they're in their almost monastic robes and such, and with all of them seemingly being males, also feels like an indirect hint to the aesthetics presented in A3, which is kind of funny as the inmates on Fiorina "Fury" 161 were seen as subhumans - below mankind, whereas the Engineers are seen as super-humans - above mankind. I don't know if it's intentional, but it is kind of ironic in a subtle kind of way.
Oooh, and not to forget - the Bambi Burster seems to be back.
There are female engineers. You just can't see them in that Empire pic, but they're clearly there in the set pictures.
Positive review
http://splashreport.com/film-review-alien-covenant-terrifying-ridley-scott-classic/
It's so interesting how Ridley changes. Remember this quote:
"If we're fortunate enough to make more 'Prometheus' films, you could make ten, and not link up with the Alien franchise, or you could do as Ridley's suggested and make two more," explained Michael Ellenberg, one of the executive producers on the film. "From the beginning, what Ridley was passionate about was not making a prequel that would tell you who Ellen Ripley's mom was, or how exactly that ship got there, that was never what he was interested in. He was interested in much larger questions about the nature of life itself, who we are, how we got here, and what he saw was a larger idea in the franchise that had never been explored: who would make such a horrible creature and why? And in looking at that creature, it came to look at the origins of ourselves."
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 01:34:04 AM
There are female engineers. You just can't see them in that Empire pic, but they're clearly there in the set pictures.
Mind posting some proof?
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 07, 2017, 02:15:36 AM
It's so interesting how Ridley changes. Remember this quote:
"If we're fortunate enough to make more 'Prometheus' films, you could make ten, and not link up with the Alien franchise, or you could do as Ridley's suggested and make two more," explained Michael Ellenberg, one of the executive producers on the film. "From the beginning, what Ridley was passionate about was not making a prequel that would tell you who Ellen Ripley's mom was, or how exactly that ship got there, that was never what he was interested in. He was interested in much larger questions about the nature of life itself, who we are, how we got here, and what he saw was a larger idea in the franchise that had never been explored: who would make such a horrible creature and why? And in looking at that creature, it came to look at the origins of ourselves."
No different to other film makers sagas. George Lucas springs to mind with his Ewok/Wookie switch or his prequels. In the words of Lawrence (which David should have quoted) "nothing is written"
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
7/10 means the movie sucks
It usually means something is entertaining enough to rewatch, but maybe a little too generic or predictable to be considered a classic. A film like this should really be aiming for at
least an 8/10.
Have a feeling many of us will eventually be saying, "Yeah, it was fun,
but..."
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
Oooh, and not to forget - the Bambi Burster seems to be back.
Not according to the Creature Supervisor I asked about that.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 07, 2017, 02:25:52 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
7/10 means the movie sucks
It usually means something is entertaining enough to rewatch, but maybe a little too generic or predictable to be considered a classic. A film like this should really be aiming for at least an 8/10.
Have a feeling many of us will eventually be saying, "Yeah, it was fun, but..."
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
Oooh, and not to forget - the Bambi Burster seems to be back.
Not according to the Creature Supervisor I asked about that.
7 out of 10 is Force Awakens, competent fan service with layers of nostalgia for non super fans including old actors appearing.
9 out of 10 is Rogue One, new ideas layered into existing story with a different but similar vibe to the earlier films
I would be happy with 7,8 or 9 but that's from an Alien fan who would say Alien 3 is a 7 and Resurection a 6. Of course Alien and Aliens are a 10
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
I think Alien 3 will be considered a classic a decade from now.
I'm not sure if you are trying to be tongue-in-cheek with this comment, but people were saying the same thing a decade ago. It's not horrible, though, and should have ended Ripley's story IMHO. Oddly enough, ALIEN 3 contains THE MOST iconic single frame from the entire franchise though.
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
This is spot-on. I have guesses as to where the scores are eventually going to settle, but right now I think it is easy to pick and choose reviews to fit your preconceived notions about how the film is going to pan out. The "this film is going to be awesome" crowd will get reviews to back up their thoughts and the "this film is going to suck" crowd will as well.
Ah... It's just the pulse rifle, Ripley lovin' gang that can't get past 1986 complaining again.
*hand wave* Just leave 'em back there, smouldering in last Century woes. They're never going to be happy.
Each new iteration of 'ALIEN 3' gets better each time it hits the home entertainment circuit. That last BluRay version was the meat!. As for classic..? I can't tell you one other Sci Fi movie released in 1992 that even gets talked about any more.
'ALIEN 3' had to fight to get the recognition it now deserves. I'm all for it being recognised as a classic. Earned its place, it has.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: rustyredraccoon on May 07, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
I think Alien 3 will be considered a classic a decade from now.
I'm not sure if you are trying to be tongue-in-cheek with this comment, but people were saying the same thing a decade ago. It's not horrible, though, and should have ended Ripley's story IMHO. Oddly enough, ALIEN 3 contains THE MOST iconic single frame from the entire franchise though.
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
This is spot-on. I have guesses as to where the scores are eventually going to settle, but right now I think it is easy to pick and choose reviews to fit your preconceived notions about how the film is going to pan out. The "this film is going to be awesome" crowd will get reviews to back up their thoughts and the "this film is going to suck" crowd will as well.
I think for some it does end Ripley's story. Resurrection isn't even worth considering.
Alien 3 was absolutely beautiful. The colors, the way it was shot. Interesting characters in a very beautiful interesting place. Even the story wasn't too bad. Maybe I'm biased because it happens to be the first one I saw in theaters.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Quote from: windebieste on May 07, 2017, 03:13:15 AM
Ah... It's just the pulse rifle, Ripley lovin' gang that can't get past 1986 complaining again.
*hand wave* Just leave 'em back there, smouldering in last Century woes. They're never going to be happy.
Each new iteration of 'ALIEN 3' gets better each time it hits the home entertainment circuit. That last BluRay version was the meat!. As for classic..? I can't tell you one other Sci Fi movie released in 1992 that even gets talked about any more.
'ALIEN 3' had to fight to get the recognition it now deserves. I'm all for it being recognised as a classic. Earned its place, it has.
-Windebieste.
Spot on and well put - bravo! *sincere applause*
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Well, according to Ridley Scott, we have not yet arrived to the point of the true,unhinged Xeno. I imagine that Xeno becomes AWAKENED in the next movie titled 'Awakening'. Just a thought. Ridley not making that clear through the film and rather simply being something stated during an interview might have been an oversight. I won't see the film until the 18th so I will see if any if this makes sense!
Alien Runner finds it amusing that ppl are still in a state of denial over King David's involvement. 😂
Quote from: Dkwookie on May 07, 2017, 02:40:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 07, 2017, 02:25:52 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 01:03:48 AM
7/10 means the movie sucks
It usually means something is entertaining enough to rewatch, but maybe a little too generic or predictable to be considered a classic. A film like this should really be aiming for at least an 8/10.
Have a feeling many of us will eventually be saying, "Yeah, it was fun, but..."
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
Oooh, and not to forget - the Bambi Burster seems to be back.
Not according to the Creature Supervisor I asked about that.
7 out of 10 is Force Awakens, competent fan service with layers of nostalgia for non super fans including old actors appearing.
9 out of 10 is Rogue One, new ideas layered into existing story with a different but similar vibe to the earlier films
I would be happy with 7,8 or 9 but that's from an Alien fan who would say Alien 3 is a 7 and Resurection a 6. Of course Alien and Aliens are a 10
Actually The Force Awakens is 3 out of 10. Rogue One a 5 out of 10... but yeah. 😊
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Well, according to Ridley Scott, we have not yet arrived to the point of the true,unhinged Xeno. I imagine that Xeno becomes AWAKENED in the next movie titled 'Awakening'. Just a thought. Ridley not making that clear through the film and rather simply being something stated during an interview might have been an oversight. I won't see the film until the 18th so I will see if any if this makes sense!
Judge from Hicks review.
Spoiler
No Xenomorph on this movies just Neomorph and Protomorph
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Well, according to Ridley Scott, we have not yet arrived to the point of the true,unhinged Xeno. I imagine that Xeno becomes AWAKENED in the next movie titled 'Awakening'. Just a thought. Ridley not making that clear through the film and rather simply being something stated during an interview might have been an oversight. I won't see the film until the 18th so I will see if any if this makes sense!
Judge from Hicks review.
Spoiler
No Xenomorph on this movies just Neomorph and Protomorph
That's because they working their way up to what we will see in Alien.
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Well, according to Ridley Scott, we have not yet arrived to the point of the true,unhinged Xeno. I imagine that Xeno becomes AWAKENED in the next movie titled 'Awakening'. Just a thought. Ridley not making that clear through the film and rather simply being something stated during an interview might have been an oversight. I won't see the film until the 18th so I will see if any if this makes sense!
Judge from Hicks review.
Spoiler
No Xenomorph on this movies just Neomorph and Protomorph
What do you mean by
Spoiler
Protomorph? You are not seriously saying that Xenomorph variations in Covenant are the precursors are you?
Who knows what happened to Elizabeth Shaw? ???
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 06, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Given that this is a horror-sci-fi film and technically the EIGHTH in an inconsistent franchise, we can't really expect uniformly great reviews. The genre in general gets mixed reaction and the stink of lesser movies surely follows this one around.
Eight? You mean SIXTH, right? AVP is a separate franchise from the Alien franchise. Unfortunately the stink from the AVP movies have managed to stick to the Alien movies somehow. Hopefully there won't be anymore AVP movies for a long time to come and we can all hope that A:C is as good as it seems like. Hopefully A:C and its sequels will wash away the AVP reek, and by that time A3 and A:R will have ten more years or so to mature in the minds of their former haters as they might, by that time, be ready to digest them both, or at least A3.
Spoiler
reading some of these reviews online it sure sounds like David is the creator of the Alien. It feels like Ridley chose to sacrifice the mythic and mystery-ridden primordial aspect of the Alien's nature in order to harp on the theme of the Created becoming the Creator, creating a new creation to kill one's creator. I hope this isn't the case as the Space Jockey (Engineers) basically being humans still feels like a letdown. The Alien being the pet project of an oddball Pinocchioish android kind of feels like a double-whammy.
Then on the other hand, Ridley is brave for "killing his darlings" in order to create something new and 'improved'. The twist that everything that we found mysterious in the original (ALIEN) was in fact all related to and created by 'humans' (counting human made androids and our human cousins the Engineers), is kind of an anticlimax. It's interesting and an unexpected twist, but an anticlimactic twist nonetheless.
I know that some people have been saying that David didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch per se but merely used the black goo and some ancient blueprints to (re)design and breed the Xenomorph. To me this doesn't make much of a difference. If it's created by 'humans' it can also be eradicated by 'humans', theoretically. To me that is a problem as it makes the Alien less mysterious, primordial and enigmatic. I always imagined the Xenomorph to be as old as the Universe - a remnant from another time or dimension even.
Still psyched by the movie and I can't wait to watch it no matter if David is the creator of the Xenomorphs or not!
Spoiler
agree,most dangerous alien creature in the universe made by crazy robot who playing god ? And he can control them ? this is horrible than retcon hicks alive nobody accept it
Well, according to Ridley Scott, we have not yet arrived to the point of the true,unhinged Xeno. I imagine that Xeno becomes AWAKENED in the next movie titled 'Awakening'. Just a thought. Ridley not making that clear through the film and rather simply being something stated during an interview might have been an oversight. I won't see the film until the 18th so I will see if any if this makes sense!
Judge from Hicks review.
Spoiler
No Xenomorph on this movies just Neomorph and Protomorph
What do you mean by Spoiler
Protomorph? You are not seriously saying that Xenomorph variations in Covenant are the precursors are you?
The film doesn't imply that. They're the Alien. They just look different. We know that the films are going to eventually leave into the biomechanical aspects entering their design but they're not a completely different creature at all. It's just how the Runner is different, how the Auriga Aliens are different.
I f**king hate those Protomorph rumours.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 08:46:10 AM
The film doesn't imply that. They're the Alien. They just look different. We know that the films are going to eventually leave into the biomechanical aspects entering their design but they're not a completely different creature at all. It's just how the Runner is different, how the Auriga Aliens are different.
I f**king hate those Protomorph rumours.
Spoiler
Aliens don't look the same. The eggs look different, the facehuggers are slightly different, the chestburster is completely different and the Alien is lacking the biomechanical elements.
I couldn't say the same
Spoiler
if they look different every life cycle
Well as for
Spoiler
the sped up life cycle seen in so many of the films.
It's clearly done for thematic reasons but there could be an actual in universe reason, not saying this is true or I like the idea but just for theory crafting purposes.
Spoiler
The eggs that have only ever resulted in a non sped up life cycle (Alien 3 was still pretty fast, or at least it was speeding up by that point) in the films are the ones from the LV-426 derelict. Those eggs had been in some form of stasis for unknown amounts of time so maybe they have suffered from that in some way. Maybe they take a while to "wake" up properly? Or maybe they had gone off?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 08:46:10 AM
The film doesn't imply that. They're the Alien. They just look different. We know that the films are going to eventually leave into the biomechanical aspects entering their design but they're not a completely different creature at all. It's just how the Runner is different, how the Auriga Aliens are different.
I f**king hate those Protomorph rumours.
Just read your review
Spoiler
so the movie does not actually states in any form that David creates the Xenomorphs species and so does leave wiggle room for him merely recreating something that the Engineers already made?
Yeah I hate those rumours as well, I am actually starting to think people are doing it on purpose to anger the more serious Alien fans.
Oh I agree about the life-cycle speed thing regarding the facehugger in your review, that is disgusting, one of the reasons I am not fussed on Defiance at the moment is because they did exactly what happened in the movie.
What has happened to Ridley?
lol at you guys still denying the Truth about the origin... well you need not worry for Alien Runner has a Theory... that will blow your mind. The Origin of the Xeno has been answered. The answer is right in front of us or should Alien Runner say, way behind of us... ;)
The backstory of the alien being an ancient creature really is not very interesting. Of all the ways could go, they went the best, by making it an ancient creature (the mural) but also a modern one to tie it into the events of the film. Because the main selling point is to see the origin of the alien.
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 09:17:24 AM
lol at you guys still denying the Truth about the origin... well you need not worry for Alien Runner has a Theory... that will blow your mind. The Origin of the Xeno has been answered. The answer is right in front of us or should Alien Runner say, way behind of us... ;)
Didn't Hicks warn you about trolling? :P
Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2017, 09:18:16 AM
The backstory of the alien being an ancient creature really is not very interesting. Of all the ways could go, they went the best, by making it an ancient creature (the mural) but also a modern one to tie it into the events of the film. Because the main selling point is to see the origin of the alien.
Origin of the Alien is all well and good, such a story can be told without resorting to a simple android having to create the most deadliest species ever.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
Just read your review Spoiler
so the movie does not actually states in any form that David creates the Xenomorphs species and so does leave wiggle room for him merely recreating something that the Engineers already made?
Spoiler
He definitely made these Aliens in the film. Whether that ends up being him making the Aliens as a species, it's unclear.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 09:17:24 AM
lol at you guys still denying the Truth about the origin... well you need not worry for Alien Runner has a Theory... that will blow your mind. The Origin of the Xeno has been answered. The answer is right in front of us or should Alien Runner say, way behind of us... ;)
Didn't Hicks warn you about trolling? :P
Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2017, 09:18:16 AM
The backstory of the alien being an ancient creature really is not very interesting. Of all the ways could go, they went the best, by making it an ancient creature (the mural) but also a modern one to tie it into the events of the film. Because the main selling point is to see the origin of the alien.
Origin of the Alien is all well and good, such a story can be told without resorting to a simple android having to create the most deadliest species ever.
Read Alien Runner's theory on origin of xeno. David is not the creator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
Just read your review Spoiler
so the movie does not actually states in any form that David creates the Xenomorphs species and so does leave wiggle room for him merely recreating something that the Engineers already made?
Spoiler
He definitely made these Aliens in the film. Whether that ends up being him making the Aliens as a species, it's unclear.
Spoiler
That is what I mean, I know he created "those" but I am glad it left ambiguous at least concerning the traditional Xenos, thanks Hicks. :)
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2017, 09:18:16 AM
The backstory of the alien being an ancient creature really is not very interesting. Of all the ways could go, they went the best, by making it an ancient creature (the mural) but also a modern one to tie it into the events of the film. Because the main selling point is to see the origin of the alien.
Origin of the Alien is all well and good, such a story can be told without resorting to a simple android having to create the most deadliest species ever.
Why not? I find that ironical about David creating them (if it's true of course). Besides, Aliens being an ancient species is also simple and cliche.
Sometimes simple is better, my gripe is not so much David created them (though I do take issue with that, at least concering the original Xenos) as that if he created him, it would seem to clash with the possibilty that Xenos already existed i.e Derelict on LV-246.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
Just read your review Spoiler
so the movie does not actually states in any form that David creates the Xenomorphs species and so does leave wiggle room for him merely recreating something that the Engineers already made?
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He definitely made these Aliens in the film. Whether that ends up being him making the Aliens as a species, it's unclear.
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That is what I mean, I know he created "those" but I am glad it left ambiguous at least concerning the traditional Xenos, thanks Hicks. :)
Who know maybe The Art and Making of Alien: Covenant book reveal "those" thing name.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUW1Tqer.jpg&hash=95ddc06f3d58422277b090147e2f3cbeabe0ccc4)
or prequel book show that he david find recipe/information and he try to re-create its
The crew just called them Aliens. Protomorph is a name made up by Scified. As far as the people making the film were concerned, it was just Neomorphs and Aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
The crew just called them Aliens. Protomorph is a name made up by Scified. As far as the people making the film were concerned, it was just Neomorphs and Aliens.
I hear them lot are usually incorrent about stuff
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
Who know maybe The Art and Making of Alien: Covenant book reveal "those" thing name.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUW1Tqer.jpg&hash=95ddc06f3d58422277b090147e2f3cbeabe0ccc4)
or prequel book show that he david find recipe/information and he try to re-create its
Yeah, I could use an official name so I can put a proper name on its wiki page, so far I have had to dub it "Xenomorph (Covenant)" :laugh:
I too hope that he just merely found information and recreated something that already existed, thankfully,
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Hicks' review says its left ambiguous at least.
Unless David went back in time, there is no way he CREATED the Xenomorphs... He could ONLY have RECREATEDthem if he had had a blueprint... Also, the eggs would require hosts AND going back even further, why 'EGGS'...? We know there has to be a Queen for eggs to exist (and no, eggmorphing has never been canonical, just a fan theory, never truly been addressed in the post-ALIEN movies, actually being flatout denied with the Queen in ALIENS and the superfacehugger in ALIEN3...) So, did David have a Queen to produce those eggs...? This is where the sequels and prequels create a mess of something that was simple and straightforward in ALIEN: the egg contained a facehugger that would deposit an embryo inside a host, then the embryo would gain some of the DNA traits of the host and after maturing, it would burst through the host's ribcage... the Queen was added later to be the one who laid those eggs, which made sense... Species do not exist in a vaccum, always being the natural evolution of a more primitive one... The issue I have with PROMETHEUS is that it flatout states that the Xenomorph is just a manifestation of a virus depending on that species it infects or it was spawned from... Clearly, all the xenos we saw from ALIEN onward were the result of the eggs from the Derelict... The Trilobite and the Deacon were not... Also, the egg-laying Queen who generated those eggs in the Derelict's cargo hold was likely the result of a combined DNA of an undisclosed creature with either the black goo or the spores, according to the Deacon's lifecycle in PROMETHEUS... The Neomorph in AC comes from a spore infecting a human host, the Xeno from a facehugger on a human host... I gather the biomech look of the Xeno in ALIEN would have to be already a trait of the Queen who laid the Derelict eggs in the first place... otherwise, they would look like the Xeno in AC... This is scientifically very confusing but equally fascinating....
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 07, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
Unless David went back in time, there is no way he created the Xenomorphs... He could only have recreated them if he had had a blueprint... Also, the eggs would require hosts AND going back even further, why 'EGGS'...? We know there has to be a Queen for eggs to exist (and no, eggmorphing has never been canonical, just a fan theory, never truly been addressed in the post-ALIEN movies, actually being flatout denied with the Queen in ALIENS and the superfacehugger in ALIEN3...) So, did David have a Queen to produce those eggs...? This is where the sequels and prequels create a mess of something that was simple and straightforward in ALIEN: the egg contained a facehugger that would deposit an embryo inside a host, then the embryo would gain some of the DNA traits of the host and after maturing, it would burst through the host's ribcage... the Queen was added later to be the one who laid those eggs, which made sense... Species do not exist in a vaccum, always being the natural evolution of a more primitive one... The issue I have with PROMETHEUS is that it flatout states that the Xenomorph is just a manifestation of a virus depending on that species it infects or it was spawned from... Clearly, all the xenos we saw from ALIEN onward were the result of the eggs from the Derelict... The Trilobite and the Deacon were not... Also, the egg-laying Queen who generated those eggs in the Derelict's cargo hold was likely the result of a combined DNA of an undisclosed creature with either the black goo or the spores, according to the Deacon's lifecycle in PROMETHEUS... The Neomorph in AC comes from a spore infecting a human host, the Xeno from a facehugger on a human host... I gather the biomech look of the Xeno in ALIEN would have to be already a trait of the Queen who laid the Derelict eggs in the first place... otherwise, they would look like the Xeno in AC... This is scientifically very confusing but equally fascinating....
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
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But Alien He Create it's "Different" Why not look same the Alien that we know if he is "True Creator ?"
You're all wrong.
The Xenomorph is an ancient ancestor of the Engineers. David reverse engineers the Engineer's DNA with the black goo. ;) The black goo breaks DNA structure to make new ones. The Engineers' DNA structure broke apart and it was redesigned by David to become the Xenomorph. This is why there was a Xeno mural in the temple of Prometheus. The Engineers were paying tribute to their ancient ancestor. David knew all of this when he was in the Temple and when he was left alone in the ship. He wanted to devolve the Engineers but for what reason? Alien Runner believes he wants to control the Engineer's power and in order to do that, he has to devolve them to their primal state. Once he does, he'll use the Xenos as a weapon to destroy Earth as planned by the Engineers originally. ;)
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
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But Alien He Create it's "Different" Why not look same the Alien that we know if he is "True Creator ?"
Because he still has to perfect it, most likely.
And
Alien Runner, you can't possibly know all that, it's not true.
The simple explanation could come if they told us the engineer/jockey on LV-426 was indeed 2000 years old.
If Aliens is cannon then the colonist that went into the derelict came back with the facehugger on his face, and gave birth to the xeno with the tubes, is most likely that David never invented them, he just recreates, following an old recipe.
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
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But Alien He Create it's "Different" Why not look same the Alien that we know if he is "True Creator ?"
Because he still has to perfect it, most likely.
And Alien Runner, you can't possibly know all that, it's not true.
Alien Runner uses deductive reasoning to reach theories and conclusions.
The Prometheus movie shows us that the black goo deconstructs DNA structure to create new life.
David drops black goo on Engineers.
What happened when Fifield ingested the black goo? He turned into a humanoid alien looking creature.
The black goo reverse engineered Fifield Human's DNA into an alien creature.
Guess what? The black goo does the same with the Engineer. Well, in the case of the intro in Prometheus, the Engineer regressed into a primitive human being after ingesting the black goo. David probably accelerated the regression process from Engineer to Human to XENOMORPH. He saw the Mural. He realized that the Engineers were worshiping their ancient ancestor, the Ultramorph.
It all comes full circle. David is playing god. He is going to be god by surpassing the Engineers and in order to do that, he needs their power. But how can he control them? The only way is to regress them into their primitive state, which are the Xenomorphs. With that under his control, he can destroy Humanity and carry out the Will of Engineers.
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
Never... Unless they remake the ALIEN movie, it is chronologically impossible, not to mention spitting in the face of all Alien fans... David created THESE Aliens AT BEST and even that would not be credible unless David knew where to look... Accidentally bumping into them would be farfetched and lazy writing... Which David already is... Having an unrealistically emotional android recreating Xenos and creating all this mess is nothing BUT lazy writing... It destroys the uniqueness of the Xeno, and if watched chronologically, the prequels spit on everything of the original quatrilogy... Prequels are supposed to show the genesis of later events, not rewrite them... That is why it is far more difficult to write prequels than sequels... Prequels need to take EVERYTHING that happened into consideration and not digress nor diverge from it creatively... in a sense, it is like translating, you need to stick to the original and not be creative about it... Ridley just went creatively overboard and the original stories (NOT the movies, mind you) suffer from it because logically, the prequels set in motion things that eventually happened in the originals, which means that STORY-WISE, later events and their genesis will ultimately clash with what came first (prequels)... Prequels can be messy, but Ridley outdid himself in these... If only David just had stumbled upon these eggs and things would have been so much different...😁🤔
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 07, 2017, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
Never... Unless they remake the ALIEN movie, it is chronologically impossible, not to mention spitting in the face of all Alien fans... David created THESE Aliens AT BEST and even that would not be credible unless David knew where to look... Accidentally bumping into them would be farfetched and lazy writing... Which David already is... Having an unrealistically emotional android recreating Xenos and creating all this mess is nothing BUT lazy writing... It destroys the uniqueness of the Xeno, and if watched chronologically, the prequels spit on everything of the original quatrilogy... Prequels are supposed to show the genesis of later events, not rewrite them... That is why it is far more difficult to write prequels than sequels... Prequels need to take EVERYTHING that happened into consideration and not digress nor diverge from it creatively... in a sense, it is like translating, you need to stick to the original and not be creative about it... Ridley just went creatively overboard and the original stories (NOT the movies, mind you) suffer from it because logically, the prequels set in motion things that eventually happened in the originals, which means that STORY-WISE, later events and their genesis will ultimately clash with what came first (prequels)... Prequels can be messy, but Ridley outdid himself in these... If only David just had stumbled upon these eggs and things would have been so much different...😁🤔
They're not remaking the alien movie and the prequels will lead to the original Alien movie so guess what? David will be an integral part of the xeno origin whether you like it not. If you think otherwise that A:C aliens are not the xenos from ALIEN then Ridley must be wasting his damn time making A:C because it does not lead to the creation of the xeno...
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
Spoiler
But Alien He Create it's "Different" Why not look same the Alien that we know if he is "True Creator ?"
Because he still has to perfect it, most likely.
And Alien Runner, you can't possibly know all that, it's not true.
Alien Runner uses deductive reasoning to reach theories and conclusions.
The Prometheus movie shows us that the black goo deconstructs DNA structure to create new life.
David drops black goo on Engineers.
What happened when Fifield ingested the black goo? He turned into a humanoid alien looking creature.
The black goo reverse engineered Fifield Human's DNA into an alien creature.
Guess what? The black goo does the same with the Engineer. Well, in the case of the intro in Prometheus, the Engineer regressed into a primitive human being after ingesting the black goo. David probably accelerated the regression process from Engineer to Human to XENOMORPH. He saw the Mural. He realized that the Engineers were worshiping their ancient ancestor, the Ultramorph.
Yeah yeah, whatever.
You know, it actually sounds better than what we really got. But it's still nonsense.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
The crew just called them Aliens. Protomorph is a name made up by Scified. As far as the people making the film were concerned, it was just Neomorphs and Aliens.
I hear them lot are usually incorrent about stuff
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
Who know maybe The Art and Making of Alien: Covenant book reveal "those" thing name.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUW1Tqer.jpg&hash=95ddc06f3d58422277b090147e2f3cbeabe0ccc4)
or prequel book show that he david find recipe/information and he try to re-create its
Yeah, I could use an official name so I can put a proper name on its wiki page, so far I have had to dub it "Xenomorph (Covenant)" :laugh:
I too hope that he just merely found information and recreated something that already existed, thankfully, Spoiler
Hicks' review says its left ambiguous at least.
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That because Ridley want people think/debate about him (and it work)
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 07, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
David created the Alien, man. Time to give up. :(
Spoiler
But Alien He Create it's "Different" Why not look same the Alien that we know if he is "True Creator ?"
Because he still has to perfect it, most likely.
And Alien Runner, you can't possibly know all that, it's not true.
Alien Runner uses deductive reasoning to reach theories and conclusions.
The Prometheus movie shows us that the black goo deconstructs DNA structure to create new life.
David drops black goo on Engineers.
What happened when Fifield ingested the black goo? He turned into a humanoid alien looking creature.
The black goo reverse engineered Fifield Human's DNA into an alien creature.
Guess what? The black goo does the same with the Engineer. Well, in the case of the intro in Prometheus, the Engineer regressed into a primitive human being after ingesting the black goo. David probably accelerated the regression process from Engineer to Human to XENOMORPH. He saw the Mural. He realized that the Engineers were worshiping their ancient ancestor, the Ultramorph.
Yeah yeah, whatever.
You know, it actually sounds better than what we really got. But it's still nonsense.
Its not nonsense. Its not better that what u got. Its what you're GONNA GET.
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^ check David's workshop out. Look at the poster with 3 heads. Its literally an Engineer devolving into a Xenomorph.
Remember Fifield turning into an Alien after the black goo?
David turns the Engineer into the xenomorph with the black goo here as well. :)
The black goo turns organic life into ALIENS.
In this thread: Alien Runner trolls people with old shit the rest of us figured out many months ago + his fanfic. Get a blog (and banned).
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
Alien Runner uses deductive reasoning to reach theories and conclusions.
The Prometheus movie shows us that the black goo deconstructs DNA structure to create new life.
David drops black goo on Engineers.
What happened when Fifield ingested the black goo? He turned into a humanoid alien looking creature.
The black goo reverse engineered Fifield Human's DNA into an alien creature.
Guess what? The black goo does the same with the Engineer. Well, in the case of the intro in Prometheus, the Engineer regressed into a primitive human being after ingesting the black goo. David probably accelerated the regression process from Engineer to Human to XENOMORPH. He saw the Mural. He realized that the Engineers were worshiping their ancient ancestor, the Ultramorph.
It all comes full circle. David is playing god. He is going to be god by surpassing the Engineers and in order to do that, he needs their power. But how can he control them? The only way is to regress them into their primitive state, which are the Xenomorphs. With that under his control, he can destroy Humanity and carry out the Will of Engineers.
Talking about yourself in the third person is quite annoying and arrogant, but let's get to the subject at hand, shall we?
First of all, the black goo MO is all over the place, starting with the worms, them Fifield, then Holloway/Shaw 'spawn', then finally the Engineers in Paradise... The latter were petrified, they did not become bigger (like the worms) nor more distorted and feral like Fifield... They were just killed instantly, as their statuesque bodies attest... They did not become distorted monsters tearing eachother out nor increased in size... They were just killed instantly... You do not die on your feet when you are killed, you fall and die... These Engineers bodies were petrified while standing, crawling... Fifield fell on the black goo and did not petrify... Ridley keeps changing the goo's properties as a deus ex machina ploy, as a convenient narrative placeholder...
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 07, 2017, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
Alien Runner uses deductive reasoning to reach theories and conclusions.
The Prometheus movie shows us that the black goo deconstructs DNA structure to create new life.
David drops black goo on Engineers.
What happened when Fifield ingested the black goo? He turned into a humanoid alien looking creature.
The black goo reverse engineered Fifield Human's DNA into an alien creature.
Guess what? The black goo does the same with the Engineer. Well, in the case of the intro in Prometheus, the Engineer regressed into a primitive human being after ingesting the black goo. David probably accelerated the regression process from Engineer to Human to XENOMORPH. He saw the Mural. He realized that the Engineers were worshiping their ancient ancestor, the Ultramorph.
It all comes full circle. David is playing god. He is going to be god by surpassing the Engineers and in order to do that, he needs their power. But how can he control them? The only way is to regress them into their primitive state, which are the Xenomorphs. With that under his control, he can destroy Humanity and carry out the Will of Engineers.
Talking about yourself in the third person is quite annoying and arrogant, but let's get to the subject at hand, shall we?
First of all, the black goo MO is all over the place, starting with the worms, them Fifield, then Holloway/Shaw 'spawn', then finally the Engineers in Paradise... The latter were petrified, they did not become bigger (like the worms) nor more distorted and feral like Fifield... They were just killed instantly, as their statuesque bodies attest... They did not become distorted monsters tearing eachother out nor increased in size... They were just killed instantly... You do not die on your feet when you are killed, you fall and die... These Engineers bodies were petrified while standing, crawling... Fifield fell on the black goo and did not petrify... Ridley is changing the goo's properties as a deus ex machina ploy, as a convenient narrative placeholder...
To create, one must first destroy. The Engineers might've been petrified but guess what? Their genetic material has been deconstructed and someone like David can reconstruct them into the Alien.
Runner, I appreciate you may have your own theories but stop pushing them on people, especially when they've demonstrated they're not interested.
Also I've locked this thread. The review thread is now open with actual information about the film.