Here's one part of the interview I did with Carlos, we talk specifically about Prometheus. The Covenant article is coming soon
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1100188005590073345
Not All Heroes Wear Capes!!!
QuoteHUANTE: "When we met, I had a script in my hand and it was not good. It would have been like Aliens, like an Aliens movie it wasn't Alien it would have been an Aliens film. There was an army group there fighting aliens with all of them getting killed. It was a shoot 'em up bang-bang film with aliens in it. It was really bad but I knew that wasn't going to be the script and Ridley had just gotten hired, the art department got hired on. I was living up in Northern California at the time. So they flew me down to meet with Ridley for a couple of days. And so I'm in the room with Ridley, I sit down and he starts telling me the story, the new script, and it's way better. I mean that [previous] script I had read had nothing to do with what he was telling me."
I wonder if he's talking about an earlier draft by Spaihts. One of the first three. We haven't heard much about those ones.
Here's the part of the interview where Carlos and I talked about Covenant
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1100426811278848000
QuoteHUANTE: "We're talking in the room and he says to me 'Hey, you know, this whole facehugger, xenomorph thing as they're calling it, this is kind of dead isn't it?...and I'm like looking at him nodding my head 'Yeah man, it's dead they've ruined it actually..the only film I counted was your's, the first one'. The second one was fun, but even then, back in the day, I was rolling my eyes thinking that they turned it into an action adventure and I was a teenager. The poster was Ripley holding a big gun...I rolled my eyes even back then. Then I saw the movie and I liked it, it was good, it was really fun and well done, but it wasn't the first movie. So I told him [Ridley Scott] 'Look, man, they just ruined it'... So Ridley was like 'So yeah, we got to do something else I don't want to really make another Alien movie but I'm going to use it as my canvas to do something else'.
And then we got
Covenant ;D
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Feb 26, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
Here's the part of the interview where Carlos and I talked about Covenant
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1100426811278848000
Planet 4 was thought to be the habitat of a whole bestiary of hybrid creatures :o
I liked the museum / laboratory with everything and taxidermy, but what is the logic of not having both in the film?
Money ???
QuoteHN: Moving on to Alien: Covenant, could talk about what the early discussions on that film were? I know there was artwork where there were other animals and another sort of hybrid experiments that David was doing.
HUANTE: "Yes, well there are two versions of Covenant..the first one had more creatures in it...
And in between all of that, David had been thought to be a fallen angel who would use humans to create his own Nephilim, like the science fiction version of Paradise Lost that we never had. Well, while the essence of that idea lives in Covenant, I would have liked to see that more literal sci-fi take of John Milton's poem. 8)
Also, some interesting details about a greater presence of Shaw in the story:
QuoteHUANTE: "In the first version of what was called Paradise/Prometheus 2, Shaw was alive. They find her and she's been hiding from David the whole time and she helps them escape.
QuoteHUANTE: "So in the first version of Covenant called Paradise, she was hiding in the catacombs from David under the city and the story was that on her trip to the homeworld she got lonely and she had David hanging outside the ship, she didn't want anything to do with him. But she still had to talk to him. Eventually, she ends up bringing his body in and reattaching him as they become friends during this trip. He ends up having affection for her in a friendship way."
"So they end up going to the city and that's when David looks at her and tells that story 'Do you trust me, do you trust that I love you and everything I'm going to do from this point on is because of you and that's all to protect you'...she looks at him and says 'Okay, yes I do' so then he turns around and kills all the Engineers on the planet. It's his own twisted way of vengeance for her, he kills the planet. She is like 'Hey, I wanted to talk to these people' but too late the whole planet is polluted now and everyone on the planet dies."
(https://i.imgur.com/O2TKJNv.gif)
Huante about
Prometheus:
QuoteThere were too many hands in the pie after it left me. It was likely that everyone was trying to stick their hands in. Ridley was surrounded by everybody's opinions and the rules he and I created together got drowned out so they get lost. There was no more connection between anything, everything got thrown out and it was a free-for-all for the design.
Well that explains in great detail why Prometheus is what it is :P (https://i.imgur.com/Nllk9g2.jpg)
He mentions the TV show, I suppose he's just talking about the rumors?
"I think they're doing a TV show or something
right now."
Probably or else he's referring to Raised by Wolves. It will probably still be a while before the Scott Free Alien TV series gets of the ground. Maybe Who's_Nick could clarify?
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 26, 2019, 06:45:24 PM
So Ridley was like 'So yeah, we got to do something else I don't want to really make another Alien movie but I'm going to use it as my canvas to do something else'.
Yeah, I pretty much got that impression with the focus on AI rather than the titular creatures.
Focusing on AI and moving away from Alien was refreshing and brave movement but Covenant changed a lot (not everything). And this is where I find Covenant incoherent to Prometheus. That incoherence is the titular creature in the title. Alien. If you're setting up new line of product (Prometheus) you cannot change its sequel tile just like that. Studio sent a message: we're moving away from Prometheus series (killing Shaw off the screen and neglecting Engineers) and bringing back the beast - which wasn't Scott's intention in the first place ("The beast is cooked" he said) - but our main villain will be David, the last survivor of Prometheus. You cannot stand one leg on the boat and another one on the quay. Be consistent to the end. Studio wanted to fix some issues and they made it even worse. Irony.
Alien (1979) success was collaboration in the same way as Prometheus/Covenant are joint failure. People blame Scott but it's all politics which is killing (again) our beloved franchise. That pisses me off. There is so much potential (Isolation proved that big time) in this universe and somehow they cannot deliver. Are they incompetent or what?
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 26, 2019, 10:04:31 PM
Are they incompetent or what?
They just confident that they're always know what's better. Always.
Also Isolation was to noticable degree repeat of elements of first movie. I'm not saying it's bad thing though. But studios thinks that there's constant demand for "new and fresh and innovative" ideas.
I kept wondering why the Sevastopol had so many individual items that were exactly the same as on the Nostromo while I was playing Isolation.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 26, 2019, 10:43:18 PM
I kept wondering why the Sevastopol had so many individual items that were exactly the same as on the Nostromo while I was playing Isolation.
To recreate that magic of first movie, i guess?
Also, what's weird i think that for last several years we got decent stuff in terms of games, books and comics but movies were... not so good.
I have no problem with Shaw murdered by David but i wished it happened during the events of Covenant but not long before movie takes place. I'd love to see Shaw step by step realising how far David's insanity went and eventually making a try to escape but despite this killed by David in some really horrible and gruesome way.
I would have loved more Shaw, but I'm glad they didn't show David killing her.
Isolation leaned very heavily into nostalgia.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 26, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
I would have loved more Shaw, but I'm glad they didn't show David killing her.
Why? Would it be too painful for you to watch?
Probably not haha, it depends I suppose. I just think it would ruin the sense of mystery, I prefer the ambiguity of her fate.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 26, 2019, 11:18:22 PM
Probably not haha, it depends I suppose. I just think it would ruin the sense of mystery, I prefer the ambiguity of her fate.
Oh yeah, i like that mystery too. So much room for interpretation.
Isn't that what we ended up with?
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 11:06:52 PM
I have no problem with Shaw murdered by David but i wished it happened during the events of Covenant but not long before movie takes place. I'd love to see Shaw step by step realising how far David's insanity went and eventually making a try to escape but despite this killed by David in some really horrible and gruesome way.
Man, it was
MY interpretation, story that
I would like to see. Isn't it what is called "interpretation"?
I guess...?
I have some trouble understanding you. Maybe i need some sleep now.
Me too.
Problem is it's 11am here...
Quote from: SM on Feb 26, 2019, 11:10:19 PM
Isolation leaned very heavily into nostalgia.
Worked rather well, I think.
It did.
But then so did A:CM...
It's amost 2 AM HERE ;D!
Makes me actually sad we didn't get to see this.
Oh well. Seems like Prometheus, Covenant had better ideas on its earlier version.
Proper sad.
Even more lost potential than Prometheus.
I think we'll never know who at Fox thought it was the right thing to kill off Shaw, then to make it worse do it off screen since from this, it shows Shaw worked well within the Covenant story, though someone decided otherwise.
Most of us can acknowledge watching Covenant, Daniels was a weak character, could the reason be was that Shaw and David were the main attraction and Daniels was just a third bit player. Though, after Shaw being cut, the writers tried to focus on David though never gave Daniels any story/narrative meat to augment her character to replace whatever role Shaw going to play since she comes off a bit bland, since its noticeable in the scripts we've read afterwards and the final cut of the film. To be frank, I didn't care for her when David reveals himself to her. If that was Shaw on the other-hand, it would had been a horrifying reveal, and gut punch to the entire audience.
Oh well. Fox paid the consequences for their poor story choices.
There as a lot of negative feedback about Shaw. Mainly that she was dull and couldn't be a scientist because she believed in God.
Mostly dull.
Regarding the Alien Franchise?
Nothing's a greater failure beyond Prometheus.
Prometheus' lost effectiveness is... immesurable.
Noomi Rapace's talent squandered, thoughtless.
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2019, 04:08:09 AM
There as a lot of negative feedback about Shaw. Mainly that she was dull and couldn't be a scientist because she believed in God.
Not as bad compared to Daniels.
Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, woman.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 27, 2019, 04:52:04 AM
Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, woman.
You're the baron of salty conversation.
I hope Ridley dose a Directors Cut one day...
Shaw was far from the biggest issue on Prometheus, its just Fox failing to discover where it got screwed and taking it out on the first thing they notice, nothing new.
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2019, 04:08:09 AM
There as a lot of negative feedback about Shaw. Mainly that she was dull and couldn't be a scientist because she believed in God.
I would say the issue was remaining a Christian despite having full confirmation that we were created by aliens. It would take quite some headcanon to fit those 2 together.
Shaw was annoying (her and Holloway were an unlikable couple) so I didn't mind that she wasn't in Covenant, but Daniels was crying through the whole damn movie.
What a shame. Ten minutes of Noomi Rapace has more onscreen gravitas than 2 hours of Katherine Waterston in my opinion. I thought Shaw was terrific in Prometheus, could have been the next Ripley, and I'm still bummed she didn't continue on.
Instead Shaw got punked like Hicks and Newt.
those "meerkat" mouths look very predator like
Noomi Rapace the punk, punked.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 04:45:40 PM
Noomi Rapace got punked with abysmal writing long before her character died.
Hey, even with its faults, I like Prometheus so..
(https://media.tenor.com/images/98b55371132aad9c75be9518236c79ea/tenor.gif)
;D
God, Noomi Rapace's so hot.
The film's authors failed Prometheus' narrative and Noomi Rapace's stardom though. :(
A great concept and cast wasted.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
God, Noomi Rapace's so hot.
The film's authors failed Prometheus' narrative and Noomi Rapace's stardom though. :(
A great concept and cast wasted.
You really think Prometheus failed Noomi's stardom? It's not like it was critically panned, and it faired better with audiences and critics than Alien Covenant. Plus it was financially successful.
I guess what I'm saying here is it's no Mortal Engines.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 27, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
What a shame. Ten minutes of Noomi Rapace has more onscreen gravitas than 2 hours of Katherine Waterston in my opinion. I thought Shaw was terrific in Prometheus, could have been the next Ripley, and I'm still bummed she didn't continue on.
Instead Shaw got punked like Hicks and Newt.
I agree. I think she would had become the Prequels version of Ripley if its true that at the end she helps the crew get out of Paradise. I could well imagine Noomi being the one battling the Xeno on the lander in Paradise, and it would had been great to see.
Did you watch What Happened to Monday? That was tour de force performance with her.
I suspect after they got rid of Noomi, the writers never recovered on how to properly patch her absence, and hiring Waterson was the wrong choice for lead. Its noticeable on screen since she's bland as f#$%, and in the end, didn't feel the danger she was in when David reveal himself to her. Though, if it was Noomi instead in that cryopod, she would had acted the hell out of that scene, and us as audience members would had felt the horror of the hell she is about to go through. Well Fox screwed the pooch. I hope at least that script is released, and we have some closure.
I thought Shaw died not long after the Covenant crew found her, in those original scripts? I can't remember very well though.
Quote from: 0321recon on Feb 27, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
Well Fox screwed the pooch. I hope at least that script is released, and we have some closure.
I sense a pattern. :-\
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 27, 2019, 07:43:27 PM
I thought Shaw died not long after the Covenant crew found her, in those original scripts? I can't remember very well though.
From what's been posted, nothing mentioned about her being recently being murdered by David. Though, we could speculate it occurred recently due to the state of her body in Covenant.
Hmm. I think some time ago Hicks said there were indeed old scripts where she is alive & meets the crew. Don't think he mentioned anything about her being in the cryopod at the end, although I suppose it's possible.
From Comingsoon's visit to the set:
QuoteTo see the full-scale Space Jockey set is awe-inspiring. The end of it was lit up, and there were also those signature Giger bio-organic tunnels all around the set. Entering these tunnels we are struck by how ridged, bony and dark they are. A woman is adding paint to texture it, very detailed. A little nook where Shaw is hiding out in makeshift quarters holds a bed and a rack of human space suits behind a plastic curtain.
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/820159-our-visit-to-the-alien-covenant-set#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/820159-our-visit-to-the-alien-covenant-set#/slide/1)
Huh.
That's on the ship. Don't we see the nook in one of the supplemental shorts?
The Crossing?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 27, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Hey, even with its faults, I like Prometheus so..
https://media.tenor.com/images/98b55371132aad9c75be9518236c79ea/tenor.gif
;D
Really? I would never see that coming.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
That's on the ship. Don't we see the nook in one of the supplemental shorts?
Daniels and Walter find Shaw's room in the film.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 27, 2019, 09:07:00 PMDon't think he mentioned anything about her being in the cryopod at the end, although I suppose it's possible.
I mentioned something similar a while ago.
"Shaw should've survived but as a prisoner of David. Towards the end Daniels sacrifice herself in order to help Shaw escape. Shaw thinks she's finally free after all these years, only to be imprisoned again."
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 12:17:31 AM
Daniels and Walter find Shaw's room in the film.
There ya go.
Should really watch the film a second time at some point.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 28, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 27, 2019, 09:07:00 PMDon't think he mentioned anything about her being in the cryopod at the end, although I suppose it's possible.
I mentioned something similar a while ago.
"Shaw should've survived but as a prisoner of David. Towards the end Daniels sacrifice herself in order to help Shaw escape. Shaw thinks she's finally free after all these years, only to be imprisoned again."
Shaws death shouldve been accidental, and the final straw that sent David on the path to madness. His quest of creating life possibly being a way to resurrect her in gigerian fashion. Or she's mortally wounded and being kept alive as some horrific mutating thing stuck to the wall. Unable to die. An endless suffering as she is torn apart and mutates into God knows what. A whimpering thing kept in a dark and wet place. Would've been a good throw back to the egg morphing concept.
Maybe Daniels finds her and has to kill her.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2019, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 12:17:31 AM
Daniels and Walter find Shaw's room in the film.
There ya go.
Should really watch the film a second time at some point.
Don't think there's a curtain with space suits though...
Some of this stuff sounds potentially better than we got. Then again, who knows what the execution would have been like?
Funny how the flute was considered more essential than Shaw.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 28, 2019, 01:59:35 AM
Funny how the flute was considered more essential than Shaw.
As a metaphorical phallus, it was.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 01:04:00 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 28, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 27, 2019, 09:07:00 PMDon't think he mentioned anything about her being in the cryopod at the end, although I suppose it's possible.
I mentioned something similar a while ago.
"Shaw should've survived but as a prisoner of David. Towards the end Daniels sacrifice herself in order to help Shaw escape. Shaw thinks she's finally free after all these years, only to be imprisoned again."
Shaws death shouldve been accidental, and the final straw that sent David on the path to madness. His quest of creating life possibly being a way to resurrect her in gigerian fashion. Or she's mortally wounded and being kept alive as some horrific mutating thing stuck to the wall. Unable to die. An endless suffering as she is torn apart and mutates into God knows what. A whimpering thing kept in a dark and wet place. Would've been a good throw back to the egg morphing concept.
Maybe Daniels finds her and has to kill her.
As usual I prefer my version. Or the one from the script. Then the captured-in-crypod ending would've been an extra gut punch.
In part 3 he'll finally use her for experiments while she's still alive. Maybe she awakens in some contraption. They talk, it ends with Shaw screaming.
Her scream fades as the screen goes black. Title appears. Cut to the new crew on the new ship a decade later approaching Planet David.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 28, 2019, 01:59:35 AM
Funny how the flute was considered more essential than Shaw.
As a metaphorical phallus, it was.
(https://i.imgur.com/cnbsBWC.jpg)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 28, 2019, 01:59:35 AM
Funny how the flute was considered more essential than Shaw.
As a metaphorical phallus, it was.
So that's how David realized his impotence. Very relevant to his character arc.
God why they did not do that, the lack of continuity from Prometheus was Covenant biggest flaw. THat and the recycled ending.
I truly expected while watching A:C that we'd get a Xeno that was in fact Shaw herself, having been exposed to David's experimentation. And then when we found Shaw's body and saw the eggs, I thought we'd get a more direct explanation that David had used the accelerant to revitalize her reproductive system that created the eggs and thus, in a sense, Shaw became the mother to the Xeno but...alas...
Part of the problem with the Alien in Covenant was that it's pretty much here. Yeah it isn't exactly a Xenomorph as we know it but it's for the most part there. Like a B+ in the attempt by David.
Prometheus for all its faults at least had a strength in the Deacon. Building on the concept of the Alien and making something new. We'd never seen an Engineer get facehugged on screen, and post-Alien 3 just about anything could hop out of that chest. It's a new breed of Xeno that's also made of the base elements of a Xenomorph so who knows what it can do.
But Covenant just makes a Xenomorph and tries its hardest at justifying itself with religious symbolism, and what it had is also woefully incomplete.
What would've worked better is David's corruption of Shaw and the Engineers on Paradise. If David denies God (Weyland) then David will rule in Hell and if he cannot make life he will twist it to suit him. I'm in agreement that the Alien of this film should've been a mutated Shaw if she had to be here at all. David's influence and work ultimately turning Shaw from God (Engineers, her faith) and to David who'd be this film's Devil analogue. And you could've gotten creative with that in regards to creature FX.
I don't think the movie would have been any worse for having Shaw instead of Daniels. Probably could have even cut the dumbo Captain out completely and had the two women team up. Daniels being the Captain and Shaw being the cloaked hero ( instead of David).
David is obviously still the baddie.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 28, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
I don't think the movie would have been any worse for having Shaw instead of Daniels.
It would have been better!
QuoteProbably could have even cut the dumbo Captain out completely and had the two women team up.
Now you're talking!
Thank you for the interview.
Maybe the body in David's room was a clone. Maybe Shaw did escape. And, David cloned her while she was hypersleeping.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus)
No thank you. lol
Resurrection's nonsense's enough.
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies. Which, indicates that the real Shaw did escape or she is still in one of the engineers' cryopods awaiting to be awakened.
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies
Hardly. The grave is likely empty.
Yeah, a symbolic grave.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 07, 2019, 10:34:52 AM
Yeah, a symbolic grave.
To you maybe.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies
Hardly. The grave is likely empty.
Nobody knows.
Everyone knows, except you.
:laugh:
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies. Which, indicates that the real Shaw did escape or she is still in one of the engineers' cryopods awaiting to be awakened.
That's new one.
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 07, 2019, 10:34:52 AM
Yeah, a symbolic grave.
To you maybe.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies
Hardly. The grave is likely empty.
Nobody knows.
Film's pretty clear her body was actually on an operating table, not in the ground.
Quote from: David_4004 on Mar 07, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
The fact that the alleged Shaw's body was on the table and a tomb outside the temple means that there were multiple bodies. Which, indicates that the real Shaw did escape or she is still in one of the engineers' cryopods awaiting to be awakened.
I see only 4 possibilities.
1. That's where he buried her heart or her cross (though the cross was probably in the movie and I missed it).
2. It was merely a symbolic gesture.
3. That's where he killed her (I could see this for several reasons).
4. He set it up to cover his own @$$ (Which I believe is the most likely).
I'd go option 2 for $100.
He wouldn't really need to set anything up, he could just make up any story he likes.
I could see him killing her there though. Her staring out at "his works", and freaking out, and he just does it. Or her refusal of his gift, his eden, and it gets messy. He seemed highly upset standing there and being near the marker. He did say he thought it was a good place for her, so likely that would be the nicest spot he could think of to do it.
I think that's the exact spot where she died.
Script had her die on the ship. Do we see a place for her in the citadel?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2019, 05:26:08 AM
Script had her die on the ship. Do we see a place for her in the citadel?
Didn't she have a room though in the Citadel? Is that what you are talking about. I thought there was a "Shaws Room" , maybe I made that up.
There's a Shaw's Room on the ship, wasn't sure about the citadel.
Huante's Ultramorph concept needs to be brought to life for the third prequel film.
Empathy. SJM
Space Jockey Morph. lol
Might be interesting to see Huante direct a (short) movie.
Dane Hallett is working on one. Not sure what's it's about but there's supposed to be body horror.
Rancour (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9061616/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_1)
Interesting to read the comments about "Covenant'.
I enjoyed AC a lot...
But starting with the introduction of the xenomorph eggs, AC begins to rehash xeno moments from "Alien".
The xeno replays from "Alien" imo took much of the energy out of the newer film.
Why Daniels? Because she is discovering the mystery/horror of David.
This follows an old horror trope of the haunted house with the seemly friendly but really evil master.
Vincent Price did well with this kind of story & Fassbender is very good in that role.
As for Huante, a basic aspect of big budget filmmaking which can frustrate movie crew members is that it is a massive collaboration of different writers, creative departments, actor egos, studio interference & the director's guidance.
The Alien films all went through a long, complicated development process with the design vision evolving over time, movie by movie.
One obvious example is that Giger, the lead creature designer of "Alien", wasn't allowed to work on "Aliens".
;)
What do you mean, "allowed"? He wasn't asked (the only thing that needed designing for the creatures was the Queen, and Cameron wanted to design that) and he wasn't available; he had prior commitments to Poltergeist II. I don't remember there being some mandate that he couldn't work on the film.
I think it as a mix of all that plus I think there might've rumours that Giger was difficult to work with which also put Cameron off. Don't remember where I heard that so I'm not sure how legit it is.
Quote from: SiL on May 03, 2019, 12:03:14 PM
What do you mean, "allowed"? He wasn't asked (the only thing that needed designing for the creatures was the Queen, and Cameron wanted to design that) and he wasn't available; he had prior commitments to Poltergeist II. I don't remember there being some mandate that he couldn't work on the film.
I don't want to argue over semantics.
- Giger wanted in some way to be involved with the designs in "Aliens".
Evidence for this is that Giger had his lawyer send a letter to Cameron complaining about not being involved in the design work for "Aliens".
Quotein Giger's eyes anyway. It seems that the artist was a bit 'bent-out-of-shape' by the fact that Cameron didn't inform him that he was going to use the design again in another film.
Apparently Giger was so upset by this, that he had his lawyer write Cameron a 'nasty-gram' to let him know about it.
Giger wanted something (in some way being involved in "Aliens").
Cameron did not allow Giger to have that involvement.
QuoteIn response, the film maker composed this rather classy and honest letter to Giger's representation Leslie Barany...
Specifically from Cameron's letter...
QuoteMr. Giger's visual stamp was so powerful and pervasive in "ALIEN" (a major contributor to its success, I believe) that I felt the risk of being overwhelmed by him and his world, if we had brought him into a production where in a sense, he had more reason to be there than I did...
I offer all this commentary by way of apology and explanation in the hope that Mr. Giger can find it possible to forgive me for abducting his 'first-born'.
https://robojapan.blogspot.com/2010/08/james-cameron-had-to-apologize-to-h-r.html
* Back to the topic of the thread.
Visual film artists can have their wishes overruled in the movie making process.
;)
The original AC sounded more interesting than what we got. Perhaps that's the draft that Cung Le's concept art is based on. The original version of Prometheus/Untitled Alien Prequel, however, kinda sucks. Maybe this was the script that Ridley Scott's son-in-law (can't remember his name) worked on before Ridley took over at the behest of Fox?
It sounded incoherent, and wildly contradicted itself.