The Predator to be an "event" film according to Shane Black. Speaking to Matt Patches at Thrillist about The Nice Guys, Shane Black has talked a little about The Predator. He talks about what attracted him to the project and his expectations of The Predator:
"They called me and I was reluctant. I said, "Look. You guys at Fox, I mean, I enjoy these movies, but we've been churning out these AVP whatever, they each cost a certain amount of money, they're okay, but there's no effort to elevate them or make them any kind of an event." They're just sort of another Predator. "Oh, there's another one that came out." They said, "What if we said to you we want to reinvent this, and really treat it with as much of an event status, or as much hoopla as we would the Alien prequel, which is coming out also? We really want to make this something. The kind of movie that people line up for." I said, "Really, you'll spend a bunch of money?" They go, "Yep." I go, "Make it really scale, spectacle?" "Yep." "Shit, that sounds interesting."
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The preceding film, Predators, was a notoriously cheap film that was put together very quickly. From the sounds of it, 20th Century Fox are upping the ante with The Predator and want something with a much grander scale.
The Thrillist also asked Shane Black about the recent news about Arnold Schwarzenegger, stating that his role in the film was "still in talks."
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/the-nice-guys-trailer-shane-black-on-ryan-gosling-and-russell-crowe/
Shit that's good news! This is the way it should go. Make it the way you want, not the way the small budget makes you.
I'm not sure about Arnold though.
Quote from: Master on Mar 23, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Shit that's good news! This is the way it should go. Make it the way you want, not the way the small budget makes you.
I'm really glad it sounds like Fox are more invested in it this time around. I want to want to go queue up to see it!
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I'm not sure about Arnold though.
I don't want to see him solely because it means I wont get my World War 1/2 or past setting. :laugh:
I'd so happy with fresh setting. Best Predator films were typical for their genere just with Predator in it. Imagine classic mafia flick with Predator. Or during american civil war!
Still I'd prefere my idea of great predator hunt in the desert.
Great news, this sounds promising - although I thought Predators was very good nayway.
Me too. I thoroughly enjoy all 3 of the films - flaws and all. One of Predators biggest problems was how quickly it was made and just how cheaply too.
Quote from: Master on Mar 23, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
I'd so happy with fresh setting. Best Predator films were typical for their genere just with Predator in it. Imagine classic mafia flick with Predator. Or during american civil war!
I've never really thought of a Mafia setting...that would actually work quite well. I'd quite happily take an American Civil War setting too. I think there was a comic that did that actually.
While cash doesn't necessarily equal quality, it's good that Fox is willing to invest more in this. The last few films the feature the Predator have definitely had an unmistakeable air of cheapness about them.
It is great to hear that there is at least some push behind this. The series deserves it
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 03:59:26 PM
While cash doesn't necessarily equal quality, it's good that Fox is willing to invest more in this.
True, true. I think it's more of a show of Fox willing to actually push the boat out, money-wise.
Despite Predators was made less than a year, it's a beautiful looking film I think.
Great news, Fox should have really invested in the AvP films too but better late then never.
These franchises helped make fox the powerhouse it is, they should be putting real money back into them.
It can't be the successful film they want if they don't invest lots of resources into it first.
Despite being more of an Alien fan, I'm actually more excited for this. Everything sounds promising and it finally seems like Fox is treating this property with respect. Hopefully Alien: Covenant will be the same and both franchises will be back on track after being in the gutter for so long.
Quote from: Mike on Mar 23, 2016, 04:13:37 PMDespite Predators was made less than a year, it's a beautiful looking film I think.
It looked like a bunch of guys walking around a jungle...
It certainly doesn't look bad, but there's no real spectacle, and certainly nothing especially beautiful about it. And that made it feel kinda cheap. Even the original
Predator had that insane jungle camp assault at the start to make it feel like they'd actually spent some cash on making the movie.
Predators always gives me this nagging feeling that they hadn't spent very much on it. I still enjoy the movie, but the feeling's always there.
This is some very exciting and promising news.
I see where everyone is coming from, the sequels all had that aura of cheapness to varying degrees compared to Predator. Even Predator 2, with the decent special effects had this emptiness, something about the suit looked obvious as a suit.
None of the Predators, not even the latest ones could reach the realness look of the first. Yes, you know it's a suit, but it's so real that you kind of forget that for a sec. Especially with his moist skin when he is staring Arnie down at the trap, it looks like a real believable organism there despite being a suit. Almost as if they filmed an actual Predator inspecting Arnie.
P2, as good as it was, you could honestly tell it was a suit. The Elder looked brilliant though, but Pussyface did look very suit-y. Same for the AvP films and Predators Not that it's bad, I loved all the films.
But this news of Fox wiling to invest more sounds promising that maybe this new film will come really close in portraying them as believable life forms once more. If they could do it in 1987, they sure as hell can do it in 2018.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 04:46:49 PMP2, as good as it was, you could honestly tell it was a suit. The Elder looked brilliant though, but Pussyface did look very suit-y. Same for the AvP films and Predators Not that it's bad, I loved all the films.
I don't see that myself. The second looks just as good as the original to my eyes.
It was only once Stan Winston stopped making them they started looking worse.
It's good to see Shane Blake does care. Most important thing to do now is to have or write a good script. You can have a big spectacle with no heart and we have seen several movies today that are like that (gods of Egypt, transformers, etc).
Gee willikers, is this gonna be swell.
We might actually get a new, epic story. It certainly won't be what Predators was, a borderline remake that is. Can't wait to at least see a teaser for this or know a little bit more about the story.
And since this is getting a proper treatment, I bet Arnold is guaranteed.
Of course there was Specticale. Nolands exterior hide out which was half practical have cgi. The interior shots as well. The hunting camp which was designed great and in the words of Nimrod Antal looked like a painting. The Totems added more the Cgi Hounds which 2 were actually practical. Predators has a lot going for it
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 04:46:49 PMP2, as good as it was, you could honestly tell it was a suit. The Elder looked brilliant though, but Pussyface did look very suit-y. Same for the AvP films and Predators Not that it's bad, I loved all the films.
I don't see that myself. The second looks just as good as the original to my eyes.
It was only once Stan Winston stopped making them they started looking worse.
I don't know what it was about P2's suit that made it look suit-y compared to the first. But don't get me wrong, animation-wise, it's just as well done as the first. I wasn't particularly criticizing the suit for its appearance as I don't watch the films to judge the suit on how realistic it feels. it's something that occurred to me now as I read the news.
There's just something about Anytime that makes him look like he was hired to play as himself, whereas Pussyface looks like a very, very well done suit.
That scene in P2 when the Predator says "motherf**ker" and you see those weird animatronic eyes are a case against the look of Predator in P2.
Alright, but just how much money are we talking? And an event film? ....I'mma wait until I hear a synopsis of the story!
I just hope it's pretty much First Blood but with a Predator!
This! Preach the gospel!
I wonder if it'll be like Avp Three World War but in our time instead of the future? And instead of Xeno's being the attack dogs we get the hell hounds from Predators? Thats the only way i see this being an "event" movie but who knows. Perhaps we'll see Arnold in a Gladiator type movie but with preds who fight aliens from all over the galaxy? Either way i hope none of it contradicts the new Predator comics and novels fox has seemingly deemed canon.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Mar 23, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
I wonder if it'll be like Avp Three World War but in our time instead of the future? And instead of Xeno's being the attack dogs we get the hell hounds from Predators? Thats the only way i see this being an "event" movie but who knows. Perhaps we'll see Arnold in a Gladiator type movie but with preds who fight aliens from all over the galaxy? Either way i hope none of it contradicts the new Predator comics and novels fox has seemingly deemed canon.
I hope to God that's not the route we're going. I most certainly don't want an invasion type of flick for the Predator.
As for Fox contradicting the new comics and novels? Well... the movies were and are never beholding to the EU which is... pretty much glorified filler. Star Wars is proof of that.
I am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
I mean, weren't all the other films events in a way? A Predator comes hunting, or Predators abduct a bunch of people to hunt. Are those not events?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
I am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
I mean, weren't all the other films events in a way? A Predator comes hunting, or Predators abduct a bunch of people to hunt. Are those not events?
I was thinking the same thing when I read this news on my phone!
The road To a worthy sequel is still long ,having black is a step,having a big budget is another step.
Now they cant fix crap ideas.
Predators is a cheap b flick for black,and that is the essentiel info.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PMI am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous
Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
Quote from: Mike on Mar 23, 2016, 05:06:27 PMOf course there was Specticale. Nolands exterior hide out which was half practical have cgi. The interior shots as well. The hunting camp which was designed great and in the words of Nimrod Antal looked like a painting. The Totems added more the Cgi Hounds which 2 were actually practical.
Literally none of that stuff was all that spectacular. I've certainly see far more impressive stuff before.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Mar 23, 2016, 06:38:53 PMPredators is a cheap b flick for black,and that is the essentiel info.
:laugh: I'd love to know what non-existent info you're basing this on.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
That explains a lot!
Well, if Deadpool is anything to go by, a 65-70 million dollar budget, with the right people, can take a movie pretty damn far. Hopefully that can be pulled off with Predator.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PMI am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
I see, so Shane Black intends to make this a film that will become another classic. How Aliens succeeded in gaining a high status alongside Alien.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 04:46:49 PMP2, as good as it was, you could honestly tell it was a suit. The Elder looked brilliant though, but Pussyface did look very suit-y. Same for the AvP films and Predators Not that it's bad, I loved all the films.
I don't see that myself. The second looks just as good as the original to my eyes.
It was only once Stan Winston stopped making them they started looking worse.
I thought Predator 2 looked as good as the first. I still stand by KNBs work on Predators. I thought their Predators looked fine. As for ADI's work - I said it on the latest podcast but it's the damn texture of the skin. They needed to add some moisture to those suits!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PMI am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
This is exactly what he means. He wants this film to be something people stand up and take note of. Predators was just rushed along and I've found some people who had no idea it was even made.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 23, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Predators was just rushed along and I've found some people who had no idea it was even made.
I can attest to how true this is.
A few months ago, I was talking to someone who worked at the local CVS Pharmacy about the Predator films, and I brought up PREDATORS... He looked at me like as if he had missed something, and I told him that there was a third (or fifth, if we count the AVP films) Predator film. He said that he didn't even know that PREDATORS was even a thing.
Surprising news to say the least. The great thing about Predator movies is they can be done fairly cheaply so giving it a big budget is a fairly risky move. I'm certain this is going to be present day on Earth so where exactly is the extra money going to go? The whole "reinventing" - makes me nervous that he's going to radically change the appearance or mythos to make it appeal to a broader audience. And am I the only one thinking PG13 too?
I think they learned their lesson about Pg-13 after AvP.
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 23, 2016, 08:05:32 PM
Surprising news to say the least. The great thing about Predator movies is they can be done fairly cheaply so giving it a big budget is a fairly risky move. I'm certain this is going to be present day on Earth so where exactly is the extra money going to go?
Assuming what we take as Dekker working on a military vs monster movie as an indicator.. I assume the money would go to either towards military weapons, vehicles.. that sort of thing.
I can't see Shane Black going PG13 with this.
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 23, 2016, 08:05:32 PMAnd am I the only one thinking PG13 too?
I doubt Black would do that. His films are almost exclusively R-rated pictures. In the interview at the start of the thread he talks about how an R-rating is important in certain films.
What does it mean by"event"
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Mar 23, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
What does it mean by"event"
QuoteQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PMI am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
This is exactly what he means. He wants this film to be something people stand up and take note of. Predators was just rushed along and I've found some people who had no idea it was even made.
There you go.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 23, 2016, 08:05:32 PMAnd am I the only one thinking PG13 too?
I doubt Black would do that. His films are almost exclusively R-rated pictures. In the interview at the start of the thread he talks about how an R-rating is important in certain films.
I'm doubting it'll be a PG13. R over in the States, 15 or 18 over here.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 23, 2016, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Mar 23, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
What does it mean by"event"
QuoteQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PMI am curious as to what exactly "event" means?
He's not talking about the plot of the film, he's talking about the film itself. He means it will be a film that's talked about and noted, a big deal, as opposed to all the previous Predator sequels which kinda just happened and most people didn't really bat an eyelid.
This is exactly what he means. He wants this film to be something people stand up and take note of. Predators was just rushed along and I've found some people who had no idea it was even made.
There you go.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Mar 23, 2016, 08:05:32 PMAnd am I the only one thinking PG13 too?
I doubt Black would do that. His films are almost exclusively R-rated pictures. In the interview at the start of the thread he talks about how an R-rating is important in certain films.
I'm doubting it'll be a PG13. R over in the States, 15 or 18 over here.
Thanks,i swear if that movie is f**king PG-13(O MY GOD >:( >:( >:( >:( >:()
Eager for what Shane has in mind, while I hope that expense they're pursuing doesn't lead to productions problems or lead it to becoming a mindless Michael Bay esque action stye over substance flick, while Ironman 3 has its fans its generally considered a mixed baggage, hope Shane has learned from that experience in what areas to improve upon.
Can't wait. How can you audition to be an extra?
Extra? I'm 6'8'' and I can do the clicking sound. How do I audition to be a Predator? :P
It would be cool as First Blood type film with the Predator thinking the end is near reminiscing about past battles/trophies and showing these exploits before seeing it somehow miraculously escaping Dutch and the military
I really am curious to get some idea of the story. There's so many possibilities it's mind numbing.
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Mar 24, 2016, 02:09:57 AM
It would be cool as First Blood type film with the Predator thinking the end is near reminiscing about past battles/trophies and showing these exploits before seeing it somehow miraculously escaping Dutch and the military
This... This... THIS!!
This movie HAS to be a Predator version of David Morrel's First Blood! It just... HAS to be... if I get that... I will cry in tears of happiness as a Predator fan. I will feel so much better and just... be happy with just that. Nothing extravagant, nothing outlandish just.... a reverse of the first Predator movie, but with First Blood being the main inspiration... I want that so much! I want this so badly!
But... I'll hold my breath and wait for a synopsis.
Thanks RakaiThwei...us dreamers can hope
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Mar 24, 2016, 02:17:50 AM
I really am curious to get some idea of the story. There's so many possibilities it's mind numbing.
Indeed! There's just so many places you can take the Predator and so much you can do with it. I really can't wait to see some actual story details.
Quote from: Liberator on Mar 24, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Can't wait. How can you audition to be an extra?
Sign up to an agency.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 24, 2016, 01:37:07 AM
Extra? I'm 6'8'' and I can do the clicking sound. How do I audition to be a Predator? :P
I can do the clicking sound pretty easily too, I do it casually now LOL! We need to audition. :P
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 24, 2016, 03:32:31 AM
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Mar 24, 2016, 02:09:57 AM
It would be cool as First Blood type film with the Predator thinking the end is near reminiscing about past battles/trophies and showing these exploits before seeing it somehow miraculously escaping Dutch and the military
This... This... THIS!!
This movie HAS to be a Predator version of David Morrel's First Blood! It just... HAS to be... if I get that... I will cry in tears of happiness as a Predator fan. I will feel so much better and just... be happy with just that. Nothing extravagant, nothing outlandish just.... a reverse of the first Predator movie, but with First Blood being the main inspiration... I want that so much! I want this so badly!
But... I'll hold my breath and wait for a synopsis.
Something that really appeals to me about the Predator is the fact that despite being so powerful, they are very grounded and thus vulnerable.
Even a lion can be overpowered by a group of prepared humans...
So seeing a Predator go from predator to prey would be a very interesting twist and frankly, something that hasn't been done on film before. I really loved the bits in the EU where Predators were the ones actually captured and had to rely a bit more on wits to outsmart their human captors.
I recently picked up the comic Predator: Captive and it has some interesting ideas. They had caught a predator, and confined it in a jungle bio-dome. When they captured the Pred they had to cut its arm off to keep him from self destructing. While in the Bio-dome the predator was given prey to hunt so that the captors could study him. As it turned out the pred had been playing them all along and could come and go as he pleased and was able to find his arm nuke and blow everyone up.
It wasn't a great comic but it was definitely different. It was strange because the preds one hand had long talon like claws.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 24, 2016, 05:14:48 PM
I recently picked up the comic Predator: Captive and it has some interesting ideas. They had caught a predator, and confined it in a jungle bio-dome. When they captured the Pred they had to cut its arm off to keep him from self destructing. While in the Bio-dome the predator was given prey to hunt so that the captors could study him. As it turned out the pred had been playing them all along and could come and go as he pleased and was able to find his arm nuke and blow everyone up.
It wasn't a great comic but it was definitely different. It was strange because the preds one hand had long talon like claws.
I loved that comic.
Also, I remember the bit where the Predator plays possum, and everyone thinks it is dead because all the vital signs are flat lined. And one character says what if it's playing dead by making its organs stop.
Kind of reminded me of a bit in Predator: Incursion where
Spoiler
a captive Predator committed suicide by "willing its hearts to stop".
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 24, 2016, 04:53:44 PM
Quote from: overthere on Mar 24, 2016, 01:37:07 AM
Extra? I'm 6'8'' and I can do the clicking sound. How do I audition to be a Predator? :P
I can do the clicking sound pretty easily too, I do it casually now LOL! We need to audition. :P
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 24, 2016, 03:32:31 AM
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Mar 24, 2016, 02:09:57 AM
It would be cool as First Blood type film with the Predator thinking the end is near reminiscing about past battles/trophies and showing these exploits before seeing it somehow miraculously escaping Dutch and the military
This... This... THIS!!
This movie HAS to be a Predator version of David Morrel's First Blood! It just... HAS to be... if I get that... I will cry in tears of happiness as a Predator fan. I will feel so much better and just... be happy with just that. Nothing extravagant, nothing outlandish just.... a reverse of the first Predator movie, but with First Blood being the main inspiration... I want that so much! I want this so badly!
But... I'll hold my breath and wait for a synopsis.
Something that really appeals to me about the Predator is the fact that despite being so powerful, they are very grounded and thus vulnerable.
Even a lion can be overpowered by a group of prepared humans...
So seeing a Predator go from predator to prey would be a very interesting twist and frankly, something that hasn't been done on film before. I really loved the bits in the EU where Predators were the ones actually captured and had to rely a bit more on wits to outsmart their human captors.
There should be an audition page here.
Do it, do it now! To the CHOPPARRRARARRARAR
I can't help but question but does the next Predator movie need to be BIG? Like... I understand the idea of it being an event film in the sense that Shane wants the movie to be something which people will notice and talk about but... does it need to be BIG like... in-universe events as far as that's concerned?
I mean does it need to be something like Independence Day: Resurgence kind of big to where we may end up seeing something which is completely different from the Hunt?
Yes. It must be ginormous. It needs a 68 year old Sigourney Weaver beating down a Predator with a Power Loader.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 26, 2016, 03:40:27 AM
I can't help but question but does the next Predator movie need to be BIG? Like... I understand the idea of it being an event film in the sense that Shane wants the movie to be something which people will notice and talk about but... does it need to be BIG like... in-universe events as far as that's concerned?
I mean does it need to be something like Independence Day: Resurgence kind of big to where we may end up seeing something which is completely different from the Hunt?
We don't know exactly what we'll be seeing yet. I wouldn't have thought it'd be anything on the scale of that.
Well I think its a good thing, it means fox is willing to put up a lot of money for this one and to a proven director of generally R rated films. Just sounds like a good start to me. :)
I also didn't interpret it as meaning more "epic", just something special or great in terms of the quality of effects on screen.
Exactly, money doesn't necessarily mean we'll be getting The Lord of the Rings. It could just mean they'll be using lost of sets. If it's not set in the present day, they'll have to spend the money getting the period right. If it's in the future, that's generally even more expensive.
Predator on an Aircraft Carrier or Marine/SeaL landing ship.
Actually. There's a cameo in Top Gun 2
At the end the predator will clap Tom Cruise on the shoulder and tell him that he can be his wingman anytime. :laugh:
I hope Fox is reading these threads.
Quote from: Randomizer on Mar 27, 2016, 06:21:30 PM
I hope Fox is reading these threads.
Thats what i dont get about company's(Games,movies)If they read what their fans want then movie and games wont be god awful bad(thats what Kojima does)
Im sure someone has discussed this at some point but, they really should bring PREDATOR into the future and introduce the Colonial Marines off on some distant forest world and then lead that towards a proper AVP story, but just NOT include any other connection to the Alien story line.
Wouldn't mind seeing something like that in a film, it's kinda what Predator Life & Death is doing right now, only there is a derelict thrown in for good measure.
I'd love to see something like that eventually too. It'd be a nice kind of lead up if Fox ever did want to try and go all MCU with Alien and Predator and AvP.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 28, 2016, 07:54:02 PM
I'd love to see something like that eventually too. It'd be a nice kind of lead up if Fox ever did want to try and go all MCU with Alien and Predator and AvP.
I'd even be happy with the Fire & Stone made into a film series, albeit tweaked a little bit.
Honestly, we need an AvP do-over with the original story in place (AVP: Prey) with Machiko and the future setting and all that good stuff. Give the series the respectable movie it deserves.
But on topic, yes, a large interwoven universe would make a lot of us very pleased.
Really the fans want:
1 Alan Silvestri to do the score ...his IMDB says he is still in business but prolly cost a good penny which fox has given Mr Black :)
2 More screen time with or using the predator space craft make it do something else cool we havent seen before. We all love this predator character because of his awesome ass toys...like batman. Maybe show the ship burrow into the ground like in the batman v predator comics
3 More screen time on the predator homeworld or one of their worlds (adding a language will be nice if done right. not sure how to do alien language "right") a jungle type, desert, or something new??? tron capital might be a bit much and copy cat ish.
4 have the anytime pred/classic pred in it somewhere and not let him get spanked. I was happy to see new predators in latest pred film but I love classic pred no homo...it hurt my soul seeing him beat down by something new. The only one can kill him is Dutch :) or Danny boy....of course Royce with his sexy AA12.
5 As always some new gadgets for pred to kill with I like wolf with his dual caster action.
6 I am not saying this bit is needed but please show someone being skinned alive :D and also some up close spine rip action would be nice.
7 I dare you guys to bring back the old cloak from the first 2 preds...I know those effects are dated but it was awesome
8) 8)
Quote from: uglymfstuntdude on Mar 29, 2016, 07:26:42 AM3 More screen time on the predator homeworld or one of their worlds
I don't especially want this. It'll more likely than not come off as cheesy.
Quote from: uglymfstuntdude on Mar 29, 2016, 07:26:42 AM6 I am not saying this bit is needed but please show someone being skinned alive :D and also some up close spine rip action would be nice.
Totally unnecessary. It would just be like
AVP:R, needlessly unpleasant gore to try and be cool or shocking. The original was violent without being excessively disgusting.
Yea unnecessary gore isn't needed. I'd much prefer more sci-fi/action in my alien monster flick. Predator movies are definitely best as action orientated entertainment.
In most of the predator movies the Predator has been hunting small game. Jungle men, drug dealers and even rounded up some killers to drop off on their hunting planet. Yea, aliens can sit this one out. Maybe a decent change in pace would be for the Predator to go after some real big game. Like the president of the united states, other wise known as Dutch. :P I mean why the hell not, it'd be the easiest way to get Arnold into it via a non combat role. He could even use some of that boy scout ingenuity to secure the kill at the end.
But the president as an individual is not a particularly worthy prey. There's nothing really special about him that a Predator should care about. Predators look for a worthy prey on their own, and having a bunch of bodyguards does not equal to a worthy prey.
I thought I'd want to see skinning happen, but the more I think about it the more it seems it's much more terrifying to see the end result without seeing the actual process. Like any horror, it's good to leave some violence for the imagination. But on the other hand, Predators are so badass, I want to see them do horrible gory things.
I don't want to see their home planet. I love the mystery about them and it's fairly certain any portrayal of it would be lackluster. Maybe just a quick shot, like in AvP:R, probably the only thing it did right.
I wouldn't mind a nice spine rip scene myself :P
I thoguht the one in Predators was pretty decent, actually. Nasty without being gratuitous.
That wasn't bad, but for some reason I had thought I'd seen an alternate version of that scene before the movie came out, maybe in a trailer. Anyway when the movie did come out I remember being a little disappointed that it wasn't what I thought it was. Who knows I could be crazy lol
I also thought his timing for taking the trophy was wierd
Speaking of bad timing for trophies, why does Wolf skin people in AvP:R? Why does he even kill other people at all? His mission is to take care of the alien thing. They never cared for witnesses before, so it can't be it.
Because that film was written either by or for morons.
Imagine if this film develops "interesting" characters that the audience likes and relates to like the first two pred films. Avpr did not show anyone being skinned alive and yes it relied on gore as a selling point. Now having to watch Hawkins actually skinned alive pleading for life will hurt to see. It doesn't need to be dragged out. The scene itself could just have one of them turn up missing after an ambush. Cut to Hawkins/our new hero wake up panting. The laser blade (similar to the one used in avpr) cuts on pred starts cutting on him. End of scene. Don't have to show him skin the whole body but id like to see that party get started. The slow death of our hero
Skinned alive is a misconception. They were all skinned after being killed. I don't know a single hunter that tries to skin something alive. That's just evil. The average predators is not anymore evil than the average redneck is.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 29, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
But the president as an individual is not a particularly worthy prey. There's nothing really special about him that a Predator should care about. Predators look for a worthy prey on their own, and having a bunch of bodyguards does not equal to a worthy prey.
Dutch would be the trophy. The worthwhile challenge is getting by all the security. It'd be a slightly different take on the hunting theme. Along the way he could do battle with more worthy prey on his way to Dutch's head.
Dutch is off limits! He's got the get away from Predator free card
Are we really going to compare a redneck to a yautja. Some rednecks are evil attempting genocide on all blacks, even going so far as to tar a brotha up, paste him with feathers, light him ablaze,whilst tied limb from limb to two horses, and then the evil redneck holler "YAHH" im done with convincing people to see the dark nature of predator maybe i will do afan film of bad blood/dark blood prrds. Im sure some of them are evil too. Setting off a nuke to save his own skin....concrete jungle pred from the game
Quote from: overthere on Mar 30, 2016, 12:13:55 AM
Dutch is off limits! He's got the get away from Predator free card
And that's why he's going to kill the Predator with some cockamamie boy scout trap. Dutch lives; Predator dies. I mean if the Predator doesn't die, how can we even call it a Predator movie? :P
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That is a good idea lets have The Predator win for once. Who would go see it if the hunter wins? All heroes die.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 30, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
And that's why he's going to kill the Predator with some cockamamie boy scout trap. Dutch lives; Predator dies. I mean if the Predator doesn't die, how can we even call it a Predator movie? :P
Kill a Predator with a trap again? I don't think so. He can't even get into a situation where he fights the Predator, nor would a Predator fight him, in my vision of what Predators are like.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 30, 2016, 12:13:55 AMDutch is off limits! He's got the get away from Predator free card
If he's helping people to actively go after and capture Predators, I don't see why they wouldn't decide all bets are off.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2016, 07:44:38 AM
If he's helping people to actively go after and capture Predators, I don't see why they wouldn't decide all bets are off.
I imagine Dutch would be behind curtains as far as Predator is concerned. I don't see how the Predator would track down who's behind the mission without dealing with paperwork. If Dutch wasn't personally involved in the action, the Predator wouldn't come in contact with him and connecting the dots about Dutch would be some sort of detective work which Predators are not really interested in.
And Dutch is too old to actively go after one. That would be insane. And a particular kick in the nuts would be if a 70 year old Dutch is able to kill a Predator. That would be the final Predator movie cause after that the Predators would quit what they're doing.
Quote from: overthere on Mar 30, 2016, 07:54:42 AMAnd Dutch is too old to actively go after one. That would be insane. And a particular kick in the nuts would be if a 70 year old Dutch is able to kill a Predator.
I actually agree with this, but that doesn't mean Dutch can't still be involved. What if whoever he's advising actually captures a Predator? What if he's actually there giving them helpful info wherever they take it to? That could make him a legit target.
I was actually thinking purely random coincidence that Dutch just happens to be the President when The Predator decides to go bag himself a president. Hunting a world leader would be a challenge even if the leader isn't the primary challenge. The security detail and military would be the challenge. Plus it's the office or rank that claims the respect worthy of a place on the trophy wall. He could actually be the commander of the joint chiefs for all I care and the President could be the Rock. That's just an example.
Or Arnold's now in the CIA and decides to send in a crack team trained personally by him to ambush and capture every damn Predator that comes a hunting. Before they know it, there are hundreds of them locked away. As soon as the government realizes that these Predator are a massive nuance The Predator arrives to find out what's been going on. Negotiations begin and there's only one solution. Old Dutch vs An aging predator elder. Each leads a team of soldiers in combat against each other. No weapons, no artificial advantage. They wage this war from afar strategically advising each team on how to best precede. Dutch's team wipes out the Predators. The Elder then blows everything to hell as Arnold Smokes a Cigar and says, "whatever".
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2016, 08:08:55 AM
I actually agree with this, but that doesn't mean Dutch can't still be involved. What if whoever he's advising actually captures a Predator? What if he's actually there giving them helpful info wherever they take it to? That could make him a legit target.
I always thought about that scene with a twist where the Predator kills everyone in the facility he was captured in, but specifically leaves Dutch alive because he recognizes him.
How about cyborg Dutch from the avp arcade game "lets party"?!!!
The year is 2116 or a decade before uscm face xenos and preds (its the future). Dutch and any human in this time are long dead.
But the CIA kept their DNA for cloning. Predators have ambushed
Could you imagine? :laugh:
So all humans are dead but the CIA keep all of our DNA... you know what that means? We could make an army of Cyborg-Dutchinators. Let's party alright!
Or, the Predators came back and captured Dutch and they have done experiments and cloning on him. That way we could utilize old Arnold and a younger actor to play his clone, and they have to escape the Predators homeworld or ship.
Why though?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 31, 2016, 03:48:21 PM
Why though?
I remember in the novel it spoke about how the Predator was really curious about humans. That's why he watches them and mimics their words and speech. I think it would be interesting if Predators came after Dutch shortly after that to study him and learn. Maybe putting him in fight arenas early on to see what his limits were. Now that he's past his prime, what if he was being cloned in an alien facility and he convinces his clone to help him escape to earth. It could show old Arnold, with many battle scars and long white dreads and a beard working with a younger actor who looks like him. Or, maybe that could be a back story for when the new colonial marines find an abandoned space craft in space with old Arnold and his clone.
My second wishlist would be for Arnold to play an old general about to retire and being escorted by a platoon, who encounter a few Predators.
Quote from: walker31 on Mar 31, 2016, 04:31:10 PMI remember in the novel it spoke about how the Predator was really curious about humans.
The novel Predator was a very different creature, though. Physically it's nothing like the one eventually used in the movie, it's motives are completely different too. In the film it isn't scientifically studying men, it's hunting them for the fun of it.
No unnecessary gore scenes. Predator, as said before, works best as an action and scifi flick, with a slight bit of horror (namely blood and some gore).
Regardless of story, we're all going to go watch it. It's been a while since a Predator movie has been in theaters.
Bringing Dutch back is a surefire way to torpedo the memory of that character. There is absolutely no need.
At the end of the day he was a talented and crafty ex-Special Forces solider. He wasn't some martial arts expert super-human mutant who aliens want to abduct to do experiments on and clone. He just outsmarted a Predator and killed it during a very short encounter.
Let's not make a Terminator 3/4/5 out of The Predator.
Quote from: irn on Apr 01, 2016, 11:04:09 PM
Bringing Dutch back is a surefire way to torpedo the memory of that character. There is absolutely no need.
At the end of the day he was a talented and crafty ex-Special Forces solider. He wasn't some martial arts expert super-human mutant who aliens want to abduct to do experiments on and clone. He just outsmarted a Predator and killed it during a very short encounter.
Let's not make a Terminator 3/4/5 out of The Predator.
Pretty much this, at the end of the day, Arnie's only human. And because he beat a Predator, it didn't just boost his badass status, it boosted humanity's badass status.
If just one can outsmart them... there could be more of us who can, and there were e.g. Harrigan, Royce.
So like the novelization of Predator 2 made clear, it makes more sense for them to hunt other humans to seek out more of us who are cunning like Dutch, Harrigan and Royce.
Nothing wrong with Dutch being some sort of military advisor or just sharing his experience to new forces who are fighting the Predator. It's not like he'll fight again. After having his whole team killed, I'm sure he holds some sort of grudge towards any new Predator doing the same to other people.
Ok look im not a writing guru, but I didnt finish my idea because I was at work.
How about cyborg Dutch from the avp arcade game "lets party"?!!!
The year is 2116 or a decade before uscm face xenos and preds (its the future). Dutch and any human in this time WHO DEFEATED A PREDATOR ON CLASSIFIED RECORD are long dead.
But the CIA kept their DNA for cloning.
a band of predators have abducted the president of the United States and left a beacon for elite soldiers to rescue him...also humans think the preds want us all dead because there is a heat signature in the center of the earth...which is really a hive setup by preds for the sequel avp war with machicko :D
or preds have ambushed all archives of pred tech and classified files to level the hunting field
idk idea kinda died add to or come up with something new but keep dutch in the pic....yes it will be terminator 4/5/6 arnie is always the terminator
I can't wait to get some actual news or clues on the story for The Predator, really interested to find out who'll be doing the FX as well.
Arnold can and will be the main character.He proved it in his last movies.
Pretty much every movie he's made since returning to acting has been varying shades of disappointment.
It's not necessarily down to his acting though.
Fair point. I just don't think his being in a starring role in anyway guarantees the movie's success. He's starred in plenty of movies lately, and none of them have been all that successful.
No, of course, not. There's far more to a movie than simply it's leading man.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
Pretty much every movie he's made since returning to acting has been varying shades of disappointment.
Whether people like them or not, Arnold was terrific in all of them.
I wouldn't go that far. He was really good in Escape Plan and I liked him in Sabotage.
His performance in The Last Stand wasn't so great though, but it's still probably the best of his comeback movies.
No love for his role in Maggie? I thought he did that really, really well.
The film itself was underwhelming as balls, but Arnie himself was good. Sabotage was pretty hit-and-miss but that kind of happens when you're filming sixty million endings.
I actually missed Maggie, mostly because I didn't hear anything about it after release, which is usually a worse sign than simply hearing a film's bad. Not sure if it was even in cinemas in the UK.