https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#action=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#action=share)
I do have high hopes for this. The art was amazing and showed a depth beyond what we saw in the first two films.
My objections to retcons are purely based on principle and if Blomkamp keeps his word about not undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, I won't be complaining anymore (unless of course the movie sucks). If done right, this could inject new energy into the franchise.
Hmmmm.. "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
Not undoing 3 or Resurrection, not featuring Ripley 8...
So the Ripley in the film is just flashbacks? (with A LOT of makeup :S)
I'd be happy for Ripley to just make a cameo and for him to actually do something new from there.
I wonder if they might throw Amanda into the mix? But who knows it would be interesting to see though.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.
More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
If there carrying on from aliens all I say is the cryotubes had best be the same design as aliens, irritates me how there not the same in alien 3.......detail is everything!!!
Ridley Scott has already done that with Prometheus man.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.
More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
Who cares. A "Timeline" becomes irrelevant when more material set on it is no longer being produced. Like Star Trek or Star Wars Legends. Just focus on the new movies and let Alien 3 and Rez back there, like museum pieces.
"not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection"
Please, please leave them alone. I love those movies. By all means make Alien 5, just don't mess with continuity.
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:29:01 PM
"not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection"
Please, please leave them alone. I love those movies. By all means make Alien 5, just don't mess with continuity.
That's exactly what they're going to do. Leave them alone.
To "undo" a movie you first have to acknowledge it exists. They will do nothing but completely ignoring them. You better do the same so the continuity won't be "messed" on your head.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
Who cares.
I care. Why? Because I care about the Alien franchise and the fandom.
Because I want to be happy.. I want EVERYBODY to be happy.
His comment about Alien3 (I don't give a toss about resurrection) makes me feel slightly better. Now I'm gonna go live my life, and catch the film when it comes out.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
Who cares.
I care. Why? Because I care about the Alien franchise and the fandom.
Because I want to be happy.. I want EVERYBODY to be happy.
Don't worry.... Be happy...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:33:03 PM
I want EVERYBODY to be happy.
That'll never happen.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:35:04 PM
That'll never happen.
Sadly that is true but still, the intentions for caring are good, right?
Sometimes the only way to be happy is becoming unassuming, abandoning bias and obsessions...
Heres what the new Alien film plot should be. Get ready for some Smackdown!
Ripley, Hicks Bishop Newt all aboard the drop ship heading back to Earth. Bishop tells them he found a document of classified information from Carter J. Burke that was sent to him from Weyland-Yutani Corp. That were in his pants. He found this before he headed to the APC that was right around were the escape chase started. (ETA 16 Minutes!) In the paper it says a unknown restricted area was infested with Eggs and Facehuggers and that the whole Colony is wiped out, nothing but a ghost town, very spooky. Lots of Aliens wandering around in a town meeting. LT.Ripley and Corporal Hicks are in Awe at the info disposed before them and are scared out of there minds. But they just want to go home but they soon come to mind that there is no other marines left to come and help and that if they are to be more than brave and wipe them out they would have to come together, agree on this almost impossible mission, team up and destroy all targets. Every last one of them, THE ALIENS. Knowing this information at hand, they must get to the spot and kill off everything before it multiplies even further and becomes even harder to do as if it couldn't become even more so already. This becomes Ripley and Hicks Ultimate Nightmare. On the other hand you have Weyland-Yutani men already observing the colony on the same task as Ripley and Hicks. But they want to bring back studies into Quarantine which Ripley and Hicks don't agree with, they had this discussion in Aliens and now they are fed up! They just want to wipe The Bugs the hell out!. This would give further insight to Burke and his Corporate Deeds. He lives on the same page with Weyland. Just careless and only caring about money and not the civilization that was living on these Colonys. Hinting back to Aliens (1986).
On this deserted colony, is other types of Aliens like Queens and Preatorians that must be destroyed before Ripley and Hicks, the team of ultimate badasses can truly head back home. For story sake, there is some ammo not seen from the ship that was sort of hidden.That Ripley and Hicks must use in all the right and smart ways to accomplish there mission. Wipe the Bugs out. Also they must create explosives as well. And as before, they must conserve a lot of ammo to use against the Weyland-Yutani soldiers that obviously don't come to an agreement with Lt. Ripley and Corporal Hicks in there brief meeting at first that took place in the middle of the Alien Mist. Knowing though that there is a lot more Xenomorphs to take out and a group of these soldiers to take out in the same hardcore fashion, ammo is running out, big time. Fear is building up. If Ripley and Hicks are to come out on top and survive they must join together. Out smart anything and everything and truly become the Ultimate Weapon.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:35:36 PM
Sadly that is true but still, the intentions for caring are good, right?
It's a noble, if futile, effort to wish to see everyone happy. I can empathise and sympathise with the Alien 3 fans, I even like the movie myself despite my creative disagreements with the film, but I think most of us would give up Resurrection gladly if it meant a clean slate for the series.
I just don't see a splitting of the timelines or anything that is actually serviceable. It's a hobbyist distraction more than anything.
Take the 2009 Trek reboot. They tried to use the plot of the film itself to assure long time fans "No, all that old stuff is still there! We didn't undo everything, honest!" But that really doesn't mean anything when you're watching those movies, because they are different. They reshaped the iconic Trek characters in some fairly big ways. Fans were still greatly upset. They tried to do both a reboot, and protect the original Trek universe, and it didn't really work out as far as a number of old guard Trek fans were concerned.
So if I were Blomkamp, i'd take bold steps. Don't apologize, don't try to appease, and don't worry about any alternative timeline stuff. Stick to your vision and go all the way with it.
PPPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou Neil Blomkamp. I have never been more conflicted over a film announcement as I was when I heard first the good news, that you would be helming this dream project, and then the suggestion that you may retcon the series created the worst kind of ambivalence.
So... HOW!? Is this going to take place b/w Aliens and Alien 3?
Wait a second.
Here's an idea. If the Black Goo evolves us into Aliens, maybe ..... Wow. I think I ... And its kinda a big twist if Im right.
Of course - I might not be right, but this fits with all his concept art. Take it with a grain of salt.
So what if the events in Prometheus and its sequel suggest that the company knows the Engineers intend to use the black goo on us, to evolve us into these monsters...
So here's the logical twist.
If the Company knows the goo is a threat from the Engineers to evolve us with Alien DNA
Then, all this time, that they have wanted to get their hands on the creature, to study it...Wait for it... Because they need to find a way to defend ourselves against this attack.
And then, trying these research experiments and things out on Ripley 8,... Tests to change her back to a human 'CATEGORICALLY would be exactly the kind of studying they would need.
It would also explain why that weird mutant guy is in the concept art. Ripley is seeing what will happen to us if she doesn't help?
I dunno. It doesn't explain Hicks but i might be onto something.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:53 PM
PPPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou Neil Blomkamp. I have never been more conflicted over a film announcement as I was when I heard first the good news, that you would be helming this dream project, and then the suggestion that you may retcon the series created the worst kind of ambivalence.
So... HOW!? Is this going to take place b/w Aliens and Alien 3?
Wait a second.
Here's an idea. If the Black Goo evolves us into Aliens, maybe ..... Wow. I think I ... And its kinda a big twist if Im right.
Of course - I might not be right, but this fits with all his concept art. Take it with a grain of salt.
So what if the events in Prometheus and its sequel suggest that the company knows the Engineers intend to use the black goo on us, to evolve us into these monsters...
So here's the logical twist.
If the Company knows the goo is a threat from the Engineers to evolve us with Alien DNA
Then, all this time, that they have wanted to get their hands on the creature, to study it...Wait for it... Because they need to find a way to defend ourselves against this attack.
And then, trying these research experiments and things out on Ripley 8,... Tests to change her back to a human 'CATEGORICALLY would be exactly the kind of studying they would need.
It would also explain why that weird mutant guy is in the concept art. Ripley is seeing what will happen to us if she doesn't help?
I dunno. It doesn't explain Hicks but i might be onto something.
I refuse to acknowledge Prometheus.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
The art we saw could be Ripley 8 'doing a Sarah Connor': In the extended version of 'Terminator 2', we saw Sarah Connor having dreams of Kyle Reese (played by Hicks' actor, amusingly).
We already know Ripley 8 has a 'genetic memories' thing going on. Hicks could be a waking hallucination only she sees during moments of stress. Think of Sam and Al in 'Quantum Leap'. We already saw she's wearing a suicide vest with explosives when he's with her.
It could also be Ripley 7, whose ultimate fate we know nothing about.
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
Hmmmm.. "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
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Spoiler
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:D im okay btw
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 26, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
It could also be Ripley 7, whose ultimate fate we know nothing about.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhorrorfilmcentral.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FAlien-Resurrection-Ripley-euthanizes-one-of-her-botched-clones.png&hash=d9065eb099dec83ab58bc8dbe435379844870be8)
Right?
Guys just because he said he's not trying to undo does not mean his will tie in with alien 3 . I can't see how it can to be honest if weaver and Ripley are in it.. Think about it.
Oh, hang on... I thought that was Ripley 6.
I seem to remember there was one of the clones which we never actually saw a body for.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 26, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
The art we saw could be Ripley 8 'doing a Sarah Connor': In the extended version of 'Terminator 2', we saw Sarah Connor having dreams of Kyle Reese (played by Hicks' actor, amusingly).
We already know Ripley 8 has a 'genetic memories' thing going on. Hicks could be a waking hallucination only she sees during moments of stress. Think of Sam and Al in 'Quantum Leap'. We already saw she's wearing a suicide vest with explosives when he's with her.
I think that's the most thought out theory I have seen yet.
nothing to do with resurrection matters at all, so lets just forget all those theories now.
I'm like 99% certain it won't be Ripley 8. It's not impossible, I just can't see that being the direction this goes.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:54 PM
Guys just because he said he's not trying to undo does not mean his will tie in with alien 3 . I can't see how it can to be honest if weaver and Ripley are in it.. Think about it.
Exactly. Everyone is so desperate to salvage Alien3 when it's clear -- for now -- that this is starting anew.
aaand the time has come when i start to appriciate that shitty Prometheus
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:20:53 PM
aaand the time has come when i start to appriciate that shitty Prometheus
nooo
unless you like the space jockey to be a bald blue guy in a suit...
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:54 PM
Guys just because he said he's not trying to undo does not mean his will tie in with alien 3 . I can't see how it can to be honest if weaver and Ripley are in it.. Think about it.
Exactly. Everyone is so desperate to salvage Alien3 when it's clear -- for now -- that this is starting anew.
Desperate to salvage the little integrity and quality this franchise has left. Dumping A3 and A:R for this mountain of derivative dung settles the score.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:20:53 PM
aaand the time has come when i start to appriciate that shitty Prometheus
nooo
unless you like the space jockey to be a bald blue guy in a suit...
its a bit OT but it's look wasnt the problem
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:26:50 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:20:53 PM
aaand the time has come when i start to appriciate that shitty Prometheus
nooo
unless you like the space jockey to be a bald blue guy in a suit...
its a bit OT but it's look wasnt the problem
no the whole premise was the problem
If you cant say a straight comment you shouldn't comment.
All this crap just annoys me.
Whats so difficult with telling the truth?
Marketing thinks you will lose some fans which will give it bad press?
Make a movie that's good and people will come, that's it. That's all you got to do.
I'm still hoping that this is an alternate timeline. Really do.
So.... how can he make a movie without undoing those two other films if Ripley isn't a clone? The movie would have to take place between Aliens and Alien 3 then?
Quote from: Vers on Feb 26, 2015, 11:35:04 PM
So.... how can he make a movie without undoing those two other films if Ripley isn't a clone? The movie would have to take place between Aliens and Alien 3 then?
maybe it takes place after Aliens but ends right with Ripley, newt, and hicks in hypersleep and goes right into Alien3? could explain where the egg came from and why the cryotubes were different.
:-\
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
I hope we get a release date soon. Maybe a summer or winter 2017 release date please.
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
Plenty of amnesia and b-movie comedy moments in ALIENS too. So what's your point? You wanna retcon ALIENS too?
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
Problem with this is its rather convenient that she would remember EVERYTHING else about what happened EXCEPT the events in this film?
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
Plenty of amnesia and b-movie comedy moments in ALIENS too. So what's your point? You wanna retcon ALIENS too?
retcon loosing my virginity
A winter release date would be very cool. To have a big movie like that come out during the holidays would be sweet. Why does everything have to come out in the summer right. It would actually be very cool to see it out in the winter season.
All of the actors have naturally aged so much since Aliens & Alien3 were shot, I wonder how they are going to account for that if they try to fit this new movie in between the 2nd and 3rd films.
Clearly they mentioned the fact that the concept art was just the b-sides. The guts of awesomeness are that of which has not come to the public eye! I'm hoping very much for this to tie in with more LV-426 lore!
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:02 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
Plenty of amnesia and b-movie comedy moments in ALIENS too. So what's your point? You wanna retcon ALIENS too?
retcon loosing my virginity
I'm afraid I can't help you with that :(
I am so so very pleased to hear this.
I'm not sur ehow it will be connected to the first 2, but hope as certainly been restored to me.
The story with Ripley 8 is still hanging in the air. Just saying. Or on Earth in the director's cut.
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
I am so so very pleased to hear this.
I'm not sur ehow it will be connected to the first 2, but hope as certainly been restored to me.
The story with Ripley 8 is still hanging in the air. Just saying. Or on Earth in the director's cut.
???
We got a New Terminator movie out this year :D A Predator 4 on the horizon, Alien 5 in development, Prometheus 2 and now all we need is a Avp 3 In Space! I can't believe we have all these movies coming out almost feels surreal but truly awesome! :)
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:02 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
just use amnesia! best way to explain why Ripley doesnt remember what happened between Alien3 and Aliens and so that story explains the egg on the Sulaco. AMNESIA best tool of a soap opera wich this franchise will become after it was a comedy and a b-movie already, honestly i dont know why i even got upset about the retcon.
Plenty of amnesia and b-movie comedy moments in ALIENS too. So what's your point? You wanna retcon ALIENS too?
retcon loosing my virginity
I'd wish for this as well. As long as the next "encounters" aren't affected by it.
I'm actually not even making an Alien franchise pun but it applies a bit too haha
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
I'd wish for this as well. As long as the next "encounters" aren't affected by it.
I'm actually not even making an Alien franchise pun but it applies a bit too haha
It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian!
If Fox hire a competent director and writter then hell DO IT...but if they gonna stick with the Paul W. Anderson and the stupid brothers who directed Requiem, in that case NO THANKS.
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
Witch is proof enough that this movie is going to be the ultimate hack job, because that's what FOX is all about
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
I actually like that Blomkamp came to them with his idea, rather than FOX telling him what to do.
Also love your sig ahaha
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
I actually like that Blomkamp came to them with his idea, rather than FOX telling him what to do.
Also love your sig ahaha
...Witch is proof enough that this movie is going to be the ultimate hack job, because that's what FOX is all about
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
Witch is proof enough that this movie is going to be the ultimate hack job, because that's what FOX is all about
Huh? By that logic, any move ever coming out of Fox would be an "ultimate hack job." Because it's Fox and that's what they're all about.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
I actually like that Blomkamp came to them with his idea, rather than FOX telling him what to do.
Also love your sig ahaha
Aye, agreed. And thanks. :D
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:03:14 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
I actually like that Blomkamp came to them with his idea, rather than FOX telling him what to do.
Also love your sig ahaha
...Witch is proof enough that this movie is going to be the ultimate hack job, because that's what FOX is all about
K.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:03:14 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Fox didn't "hire" anybody, so to speak. They didn't shop a script around to directors. Blomkamp came to them with his ideas, they liked what he pitched them, and now a movie is happening.
I actually like that Blomkamp came to them with his idea, rather than FOX telling him what to do.
Also love your sig ahaha
...Witch is proof enough that this movie is going to be the ultimate hack job, because that's what FOX is all about
FOX must secretly be Weyland-Yutani in disguise!!! Corporate bastards!!
Glad to know that Alien3 (and I guess Res) will not be undone.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:55 AM
Glad to know that Alien3 (and I guess Res) will not be undone.
just ignored/disregarded.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:18 AM
just ignored/disregarded.
Like how PREDATORS ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:25 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:18 AM
just ignored/disregarded.
Like how PREDATORS ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R.
bingo
Yeah but with predators they didnt use any of the old characters and/or revived dead characters. So this is nothing like Predators. Blomkamp is just being political so he wont offend the hardcore fans etc. If he makes a direct sequel to aliens with hicks. There is no other way that ignoring/disregarding alien3/alien:res. So either way it's like they never happened. Which i hate.....
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:24:53 PM
Dumping A3 and A:R for this mountain of derivative dung settles the score.
We literally have
zero information on the story. Praising
or criticising it in a complete absence of knowledge is premature, IMO.
"Derivitive dung"? Maybe - but also maybe not. We don't even know if the concept art is meant to be showing the same derelict we all know about or a completely different one.
Bottom line: We don't know if any of the other films will be affected.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:25 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:18 AM
just ignored/disregarded.
Like how PREDATORS ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R.
bingo
I'd say this is a bit different than that. In ignoring Predator 2 Predators didn't (and couldn't really) turn over any stones in regards to Predator 2. Sure, they didn't reference it, but they didn't outright contradict it either. How could they? It was pretty much a standalone story with new characters and no overall bearing on the narrative (because there really isn't a narrative linking on Predator film to the next).
With Alien, on the other hand, even if they aren't seeking out to purge Alien 3 from canon, having Ripley (a core character in all of the films and a heavy player in the story) appear post-Aliens in any way is going to overwrite Alien 3 simply by showing events that could never have happened in the timeline that Alien 3 exists in.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:33:34 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:25 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:18 AM
just ignored/disregarded.
Like how PREDATORS ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R.
bingo
I'd say this is a bit different than that. In ignoring Predator 2 Predators didn't (and couldn't really) turn over any stones in regards to Predator 2. Sure, they didn't reference it, but they didn't outright contradict it either. How could they? It was pretty much a standalone story with new characters and no overall bearing on the narrative (because there really isn't a narrative linking on Predator film to the next).
With Alien, on the other hand, even if they aren't seeking out to purge Alien 3 from canon, having Ripley (a core character in all of the films and a heavy player in the story) appear post-Aliens in any way is going to overwrite Alien 3 simply by showing events that could never have happened in the timeline that Alien 3 exists in.
Hence the alternate/split timeline suggestion.
I don't think they're decanonizing anything, they're most likely just forming different timelines.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
I don't think they're decanonizing anything, they're most likely just forming different timelines.
Its kinda the same thing really, except by saying its an "alternate timeline" they can avoid angering some fans of A3/A:R. I'm happy with it either way as long as we can continue from ALIENS. I'm going to decide on my own "personal canon" no matter what anyway.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:33:34 AM
I'd say this is a bit different than that. In ignoring Predator 2 Predators didn't (and couldn't really) turn over any stones in regards to Predator 2. Sure, they didn't reference it, but they didn't outright contradict it either. How could they? It was pretty much a standalone story with new characters and no overall bearing on the narrative (because there really isn't a narrative linking on Predator film to the next).
Then you could apply the same logic to PREDATORS and the AvP films, because there were some small things which were referenced or even borrowed from the AVPs as well. The whole movie didn't even really so much as negate the AvP movies as far as the Predator side of things are concerned, those could still happen and fit.. assuming Shane's movie doesn't hamper all five (AVPs and PREDATORS being accounted for) movies. Personally, I don't like the idea of PREDATORS and AVP mixing but my point was in regards to your first half of your previous post.
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With Alien, on the other hand, even if they aren't seeking out to purge Alien 3 from canon, having Ripley (a core character in all of the films and a heavy player in the story) appear post-Aliens in any way is going to overwrite Alien 3 simply by showing events that could never have happened in the timeline that Alien 3 exists in.
So it's all or nothing, there is no in between. I find this very hard to believe. It's black and white, no shades of gray (not a reference to that shitty book or movie). It's either canon or not. There is no middle ground. I find this outlook very bleak.. and I disagree with it. Hence why I suggest this could potentially be an alternate timeline or render Alien 3 and Resurrection as an alternate timeline. Again, I point out to what Godzilla Returns (Godzilla 1985) did for the Godzilla series, it was a direct sequel to the 1954 original, ignored the Showa era films but they didn't negate them from canon. It just rendered them an alternate timeline/continuity. Why can't the same be applied or said for the Alien franchise?
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I don't think they're decanonizing anything, they're most likely just forming different timelines.
Its kinda the same thing really, except by saying its an "alternate timeline" they can avoid angering some fans of A3/A:R. I'm happy with it either way as long as we can continue from ALIENS. I'm going to decide on my own "personal canon" no matter what anyway.
I think that only applies if people
want it to apply that way; I'm a MAJOR supporter of canon and continuity, but I don't see the possibility of a diverging timeline as a threat to my view of it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:49:08 AM
It just rendered them an alternate timeline/continuity. Why can't the same be applied or said for the Alien franchise?
By its own nature, setting the movie after ALIENS with Ripley/Hicks/etc alive inherently makes it an alternate timeline. Whether some people consider it a "retcon" or not really just depends on which timeline you prefer I suppose. I really dont think you need FOX to "officially" state one way or the other in order to form your own personal canon/continuity. Just by ignoring A3/A:R its already a split timeline.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:52:09 AM
I think that only applies if people want it to apply that way; I'm a MAJOR supporter of canon and continuity, but I don't see the possibility of a diverging timeline as a threat to my view of it.
Assuming this new movie is a new diverting timeline.. which will incorporate Prometheus into it, then what's the problem? Why does the fandom feel so threatened that there potentially could be more than one timeline?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:57 AM
Assuming this new movie is a new diverting timeline.. which will incorporate Prometheus into it, then what's the problem? Why does the fandom feel so threatened that there potentially could be more than one timeline?
Nobody feels threatened by it.
It jus doesn't actually
mean anything.
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Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
I don't think they're decanonizing anything, they're most likely just forming different timelines.
Its kinda the same thing really, except by saying its an "alternate timeline" they can avoid angering some fans of A3/A:R. I'm happy with it either way as long as we can continue from ALIENS. I'm going to decide on my own "personal canon" no matter what anyway.
I think that only applies if people want it to apply that way; I'm a MAJOR supporter of canon and continuity, but I don't see the possibility of a diverging timeline as a threat to my view of it.
Are you kidding me? You're the most anti-canon/continuity person around these boards... ???
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:53 AM
Are you kidding me? You're the most anti-canon/continuity person around these boards... ???
What about Xenomrph?
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Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:48:37 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
I don't think they're decanonizing anything, they're most likely just forming different timelines.
Its kinda the same thing really, except by saying its an "alternate timeline" they can avoid angering some fans of A3/A:R. I'm happy with it either way as long as we can continue from ALIENS. I'm going to decide on my own "personal canon" no matter what anyway.
I think that only applies if people want it to apply that way; I'm a MAJOR supporter of canon and continuity, but I don't see the possibility of a diverging timeline as a threat to my view of it.
Are you kidding me? You're the most anti-canon/continuity person around these boards... ???
I acknowledge EU is a GIANT mess, but I personally don't think fan opinion alone is enough to quash it. I have also expressed disdain for Prometheus, but only to point out it's as messed up as the AVP films.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:35 AM
What about Xenomrph?
I am surprised he hasn't shown up here.
Is that guy still active? Last I met him, he seemed to be keeping a low profile.
SM and Xenomrph have disappeared? Coincidence?
What about Ruadh?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 03:07:03 AM
SM and Xenomrph have disappeared? Coincidence?
Spoiler
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From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
T-H-I-S.
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
I dont know what to think anymore
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:50:48 AM
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
Or more creatively freeing, if someone wants to tell a story without the restrictions that come with the later films. More room for the imagination to play around in without having to stop every five seconds to clunkily explain away something from a film that otherwise wouldn't be relevant to the story this one is telling.
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Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
Or more creatively freeing, if someone wants to tell a story without the restrictions that come with the later films. More room for the imagination to play around in without having to stop every five seconds to clunkily explain away something from a film that otherwise wouldn't be relevant to the story this one is telling.
Why even make a franchise movie sequel at all then? Why even bother? Ego tripping? Grudge? Money?
Make it an original title like PROM if you want to go the "what-if?" route.
And btw restrictions are necessary in order to breed creativity. No restrictions and you end up with mindless wanking or floaty bits without meaning. The restrictions can be anything really, but no matter what you always need something that leads, frames and pushes back through your creative process. When making a franchise movie acknowledging what has been established in previous films are definitely restrictions one should adhere to unless one is too lazy, cheap and unimaginative... Butchering or circumventing established continuity because you can't come up with a valid story is far from being creative.
Because there are still stories to be told in this universe. Telling those stories in the form of an original title would approach the threshold of plagiarism, because they would require elements fairly specific to the Alien universe.
And it can be argued that walking back the last few movies is actually embracing those restrictions and ditching "mindless wanking" and "floaty bits without meaning." The first two films gave us a universe that was fairly coherent. The next few gave us a universe where space monks contemplate God in a near-abandoned prison, xenomorph eggs magically spawn out of nowhere, and clones have the memories of their originals.
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Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
Or more creatively freeing, if someone wants to tell a story without the restrictions that come with the later films. More room for the imagination to play around in without having to stop every five seconds to clunkily explain away something from a film that otherwise wouldn't be relevant to the story this one is telling.
Why even make a franchise movie sequel at all then? Why even bother? Ego tripping? Grudge? Money?
Make it an original title like PROM if you want to go the "what-if?" route.
And btw restrictions are necessary in order to breed creativity. No restrictions and you end up with mindless wanking or floaty bits without meaning. The restrictions can be anything really, but no matter what you always need something that leads, frames and pushes back through your creative process. When making a franchise movie acknowledging what has been established in previous films are definitely restrictions one should adhere to unless one is too lazy, cheap and unimaginative... Butchering established continuity because you can't come up with a valid story is far from being creative.
Exactly. If it becomes acceptable to complete toss out established continuity in order to create your own perfect story, the concept of the franchise will collapse and everything will become fan fiction. Taken even further, you could get a glut of stories that are too different to be part of the same universe but too similar as to not be blatantly ripping off each other. If someone made a successful movie, a dozen producers could just chop and screw it to make their own sequels-but-not-sequels in order to cash in, utterly ruining the original concept. This is a very, very bad path to go down.
Quote from: Doktor Wunderbar on Feb 27, 2015, 05:25:06 AM
Because there are still stories to be told in this universe. Telling those stories in the form of an original title would approach the threshold of plagiarism, because they would require elements fairly specific to the Alien universe.
And it can be argued that walking back the last few movies is actually embracing those restrictions and ditching "mindless wanking" and "floaty bits without meaning." The first two films gave us a universe that was fairly coherent. The next few gave us a universe where space monks contemplate God in a near-abandoned prison, xenomorph eggs magically spawn out of nowhere, and clones have the memories of their originals.
Disagree with you so hard on this one, especially when it comes to A3.
I knew that you would. You've got your opinion, and I've got mine.
Granted, I like the Assembly Cut, or whatever they're calling the latest version. But I wouldn't miss it.
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Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
Or more creatively freeing, if someone wants to tell a story without the restrictions that come with the later films. More room for the imagination to play around in without having to stop every five seconds to clunkily explain away something from a film that otherwise wouldn't be relevant to the story this one is telling.
Why even make a franchise movie sequel at all then? Why even bother? Ego tripping? Grudge? Money?
Make it an original title like PROM if you want to go the "what-if?" route.
And btw restrictions are necessary in order to breed creativity. No restrictions and you end up with mindless wanking or floaty bits without meaning. The restrictions can be anything really, but no matter what you always need something that leads, frames and pushes back through your creative process. When making a franchise movie acknowledging what has been established in previous films are definitely restrictions one should adhere to unless one is too lazy, cheap and unimaginative... Butchering established continuity because you can't come up with a valid story is far from being creative.
Exactly. If it becomes acceptable to complete toss out established continuity in order to create your own perfect story, the concept of the franchise will collapse and everything will become fan fiction. Taken even further, you could get a glut of stories that are too different to be part of the same universe but too similar as to not be blatantly ripping off each other. If someone made a successful movie, a dozen producers could just chop and screw it to make their own sequels-but-not-sequels in order to cash in, utterly ruining the original concept. This is a very, very bad path to go down.
Amen.
wow, a lot of disagreeing here, I never understood why people take canon to heart so much especially canon that Fox says must be canon to everyone who watches the films. I think the canon is whatever the audience personally believes is canon, if you believe the comics are canon so be it, if Alien 3 or Blomkamps is canon, so be it. Whatever a corporate executive says doesn't mean it has to be so, if I followed the comic book continuity of Marvel, Id be lost from all the retcons, re-retcons, and inconsistencies. I don't know, its too early to tell the quality of the next Alien film, continuity aside, I just want an entertaining film.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 05:15:44 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:28 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:50:48 AM
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
...which is lazy, cheap and unimaginative.
Or more creatively freeing, if someone wants to tell a story without the restrictions that come with the later films. More room for the imagination to play around in without having to stop every five seconds to clunkily explain away something from a film that otherwise wouldn't be relevant to the story this one is telling.
Why even make a franchise movie sequel at all then? Why even bother? Ego tripping? Grudge? Money?
Make it an original title like PROM if you want to go the "what-if?" route.
And btw restrictions are necessary in order to breed creativity. No restrictions and you end up with mindless wanking or floaty bits without meaning. The restrictions can be anything really, but no matter what you always need something that leads, frames and pushes back through your creative process. When making a franchise movie acknowledging what has been established in previous films are definitely restrictions one should adhere to unless one is too lazy, cheap and unimaginative... Butchering or circumventing established continuity because you can't come up with a valid story is far from being creative.
The more you repeat it doesn't make it any more believable. It simply isn't any of that. And I'm stating that as fact. Why? Because all this started from Blomkamp's concept art and story ideas. Independent from Fox or any active push for a sequel, as you yourself said. He CHOSE to create a story in that time period. Because he wanted to. Because he liked those characters and the tone of the original movies where they came from.
His brain child. "Imaginative." (Sure we don't know how many tropes he is potentially borrowing from existing genres, but he did think of this story mostly by himself. From what he stated.)
Has been working on it for (i believe he said) over a year. Putting his extra time available into this what was personal project. Bringing back old characters might seem lazy to you, but they are almost as difficulty to write for as for new ones. So what if you get to skip basic background or origins. Keeping recurring characters interesting while giving them new challenges is something that requires great effort. Nothing "lazy" about that. If anything he gave himself a harder time. He has to do justice to these sci fi legends.
And "cheap" is just so generic I don't think it can be applied to anything specific about these news.
It's just bias. Because you don't want A3 to get circumvented. If it wasn't then, as predxeno said, you'd be outraged about Prometheus contradicting the AvP's. A3 still exists. Don't be so threatened by this new possible timeline. You'll always have your movie.
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 05:44:16 AM
wow, a lot of disagreeing here, I never understood why people take canon to heart so much especially canon that Fox says must be canon to everyone who watches the films. I think the canon is whatever the audience personally believes is canon, if you believe the comics are canon so be it, if Alien 3 or Blomkamps is canon, so be it. Whatever a corporate executive says doesn't mean it has to be so, if I followed the comic book continuity of Marvel, Id be lost from all the retcons, re-retcons, and inconsistencies. I don't know, its too early to tell the quality of the next Alien film, continuity aside, I just want an entertaining film.
Indeed. They're saying "fanfic" as a negative when every script that has made it after "Alien" is basically just that. Fanfic that made it all the way to the top. Just because a big wig in an office wrote it and calls it a script doesn't mean it isn't fiction created by a fan. It's still a person writing a story.
So yeah at this juncture the canon is what you personally believe.
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
From what I can tell when Blomkamp says hes not trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, I believe he is speaking in terms of he doesn't dislike the sequels, just that he can't fit in a story of the original Ripley in any other way. I think this still confirms that the third and fourth film will be reconnected and he doesn't want fans of the sequels to feel cheated. I honestly can't see how they would make a film between Aliens and Alien 3 especially with an aged Ripley or have her alive after the third film.
Truthfully, none of what is being said adds up to a whole lot of beans. It's in one way contradictory and in another way it just seems like they don't realize it's unclear what they are saying.
It;s entirely possible that FOX wants to ride the retcon wave of Publicity while deliberately shying away from using the term 'retcon'
The only other possibility is that there is legit something we don't know or understand about his concept that makes some sense out of all the conflicting info.
Mmm I think what he's saying that its not directly going to retcon A3/A4. Similar to how predators sort of ignored predator 2 without retconning or even noting the film.
Okay well I am kind of relieved after that interview. I don't think they should retcon Alien 3 and 4, but maybe they find a good way to fit the movie in between, or come up with a twist along the lines of "Out of the Shadows" but after Aliens. Or even tell the story of different Ripley clone at a different time. I dont- they will come up with something good. Nel Bonkcamp is an awesome director- even though I was slightly disappointed by the boring finally of Elysium- thestyle of the movie and the atmosphere was great. And together with District 9, these two movies really represent the griddy dirty realisitc future, where man is his own enemy- the kind of SciFi that was born through Alien. He is one of the few directors who still work with this kind of SciFi and brings it back to life with modern technology- so I think he is the right guy. But man- I am really jealous somehow. All my life I was daydreaming and thinking up Alien sequels. And here is one guy about my age- who really pulls it off. I should have lived my life differently...
No retcon just ignore.
I keep saying it, but if you start this new movie with Ripley in hypersleep and have elements of A3 and AR flash up in this style: http://www.traileraddict.com/prometheus/dream-monitoring (http://www.traileraddict.com/prometheus/dream-monitoring) then you have a way to keep both films in canon (as dreams) and also an excuse for some of their illogical plotting. That scene in Prometheus allows this to be seen in world on a monitor or something (Who's to say the Sulaco doesn't have that tech knocking about?) and allows the two films to stand, while also ejecting them from continuity. Have them get back to Earth, and then flash forward thirty years and have them be the age they are now. No CGI, no big de-aging make up (apart from a solitary cryo scene), boom!
I'm not saying for a second that that is particularly satisfying screenwriting, but it does resolve all the contradictions in what Blomkamp is saying.
from the day A3 came out, people were throwing around the 'it was all a dream' sequel ideas. It wouldn't be particularly surprising, and it is the only way I can see to wipe the slate clean without completely jettisoning A3 and AR.
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 27, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
Mmm I think what he's saying that its not directly going to retcon A3/A4. Similar to how predators sort of ignored predator 2 without retconning or even noting the film.
But that is ridiculous when you're bringing characters back to life, which looks to be the case.
Predators had new characters.
This new film should have new characters.
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Dumping A3 and A:R for this mountain of derivative dung settles the score.
We literally have zero information on the story. Praising or criticising it in a complete absence of knowledge is premature, IMO.
"Derivitive dung"? Maybe - but also maybe not. We don't even know if the conceot art is meant to be showing the same derelict we all know about or a completely different one.
Bottom line: We don't know if any of the other films will be affected.
It's arm isn't broken in the Concept art so I'm guessing it's different.
It will just be a alternate timeline. Fans can decide which is canon and not. I like the ideal of a alternate timeline, makes it feel unique. Yes in order to continue off, it's going to for sure bring back LT. Ripley and Corporal Hicks which would explain further of the alternate timeline not retconing the series at all. Neillblomkamp said it himself.
Gheez put your handbags away ladies, it's not like Alien 3 and 4 are going to disappear - you can still watch them - don't you think you should wait until you've seen his film before getting your panties in a knot? As far as you know, this film could be Ripley's hypersleep dream before she's abruptly woken up in Alien 3!
Me too! Believe it or not I LOVE THE FOUR ALIEN MOVIES; sure, there´s a universal agreement the first two movies are flawless but IMHO despite their flaws A3 and Resurrection are worth to be in the franchise and official cannon (remember, in A3 there were a lot of pre-post production troubles. In Resurrection Fox gave artistic freedom to the french director, besides if the last movies would repetead the "bunch of marines facing endless packs of aliens" probably the franchise would be in bad shape). I fancy the idea of an alternate timeline or universe and no matter if Fox says which movie is cannon or not, at the end there´s something called personal cannon. In my case ACM it´s just and a mere "what if..." sequel...and a very bad one.
I don't think if they repeated themselves with current technologies that it would be in bad shape. Infact I'm hoping they will do that. Imagine a return to the classic theme and direction of the first two but in 4K,3D, CGI goodness!
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I don't think if they repeated themselves with current technologies that it would be in bad shape. Infact I'm hoping they will do that. Imagine a return to the classic theme and direction of the first two but in 4K,3D, CGI goodness!
Yeah, I really hope they keep the "used retro future" aesthetic.
He said that it will be a "genetic sibling" to Alien/Aliens, so I'm assuming that it will be similarly designed to those films (and, by extension, Alien 3, which shared a very similar aesthetic). Blomkamp's track record also makes "used future" seems pretty likely.
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Blomkamp's visuals are very inspired by the Alien films, it seems, but the way he frames them less so (but then, moving from Scott to Cameron to Fincher also brought a round of changes each time). Will be interesting to see the marriage of all of these styles.
I have the utmost confidence that his Alien will look amazing. His style is so incredibly suitable. I'm actually quite excited to see what he does with a exo-suit and I'm hopeful to see a biomechanical one.
All this crap because they got to have geriatric Ellen Ripley in a movie. Why can't they have a new story,new characters in the same timeline? have WY send an expedition to another place where aliens were found, or where some Space Jockey stuff is, They only have to reference stuff that happened in Alien,Aliens and A3 and can even tie it to events in Prometheus and P2?
Now i'm kinda bummed with the Iron Man movies too. I need that shit retconed cause Iron Man 2 sucked ass. Come to think of it keep only the first one canon but have Obediah survive, this way they ignore the second and third movies. This way we can have a proper Mandarin too. ::). While we're at it, retcon the matrix movies too, and Quantum of SOLACE cause it sucked ass and write a proper sequel to Casino Royale.
Now what i want to know is after this Alien movie will the next director have free reign if he does the right pitch? Maybe he has the right idea and he also needs to ignore previous stuff. Cause f**k it right, it's acceptable now.
Anyways i can't wait for them to explain grandma Ripley waking up old. Let me guess, all the cryo-tubes had a malfunction so Ripley, Hicks and Newt all aged. They didn't have nourishment to facilitate the aging process, but hey they just got older. FML
This is awesome, more Sigourney and more alien, i trust this director can do it ;D
Quote from: zuzuki on Feb 27, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Anyways i can't wait for them to explain grandma Ripley waking up old. Let me guess, all the cryo-tubes had a malfunction so Ripley, Hicks and Newt all aged. They didn't have nourishment to facilitate the aging process, but hey they just got older. FML
Or they can just let the characters age normally and let the story take place 30 year later.
Lt. Elderly Cripley
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: zuzuki on Feb 27, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Anyways i can't wait for them to explain grandma Ripley waking up old. Let me guess, all the cryo-tubes had a malfunction so Ripley, Hicks and Newt all aged. They didn't have nourishment to facilitate the aging process, but hey they just got older. FML
Or they can just let the characters age normally and let the story take place 30 year later.
No man, that makes way too much sense. :P
I think the big question should be if Ripley is gonna fight the queen in a prawn mech from District 9, I would like to see that, I also want Ripley and Dutch to fight a predalien, and make a clone of Jonesy that has acid for blood, yes only then will I be content.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:25:53 AM
Exactly. If it becomes acceptable to complete toss out established continuity in order to create your own perfect story, the concept of the franchise will collapse and everything will become fan fiction. Taken even further, you could get a glut of stories that are too different to be part of the same universe but too similar as to not be blatantly ripping off each other. If someone made a successful movie, a dozen producers could just chop and screw it to make their own sequels-but-not-sequels in order to cash in, utterly ruining the original concept. This is a very, very bad path to go down.
I'm hoping that despite what i'm hearing about this film it will follow from on from resurrection. Its still in development and once producers and executives step in all in nonsense talk of retconning will be done with...or blomkamp might just walk away. His Halo film fell apart at the 11th hour so who knows what might happen here. Honestly, if the only way he can make Alien 5 is by cutting the series in half, then good riddance. I'm not interested in a film that cant respect continuity.
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:25:53 AM
Exactly. If it becomes acceptable to complete toss out established continuity in order to create your own perfect story, the concept of the franchise will collapse and everything will become fan fiction. Taken even further, you could get a glut of stories that are too different to be part of the same universe but too similar as to not be blatantly ripping off each other. If someone made a successful movie, a dozen producers could just chop and screw it to make their own sequels-but-not-sequels in order to cash in, utterly ruining the original concept. This is a very, very bad path to go down.
I'm hoping that despite what i'm hearing about this film it will follow from on from resurrection. Its still in development and once producers and executives step in all in nonsense talk of retconning will be done with...or blomkamp might just walk away. His Halo film fell apart at the 11th hour so who knows what might happen here. Honestly, if the only way he can make Alien 5 is by cutting the series in half, then good riddance. I'm not interested in a film that cant respect continuity.
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start and there is no "Good riddance." -because this film is happening, FOX came to him for Christ's sake. This film is happening, whether you like it or not.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
and there is no "Good riddance." -because this film is happening, FOX came to him for Christ's sake. This film is happening, whether you like it or not.
Halo got a lot further then this film before everything fell apart...
Alien Aliens New Alien
Alien Aliens Alien 3 AR
Just a alternate timeline were we can see if another situation took place. Which is very cool. Fans are the canon. That's the awsome part. And what's even more awsome is that there's a New Alien movie in development! I'm excited!! Alien Rocks!! And is Badass!!! This movie is going to be insane!!! This is just Awsome!
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
and there is no "Good riddance." -because this film is happening, FOX came to him for Christ's sake. This film is happening, whether you like it or not.
Halo got a lot further then this film before everything fell apart...
Halo was originally to be directed by Peter Jackson, whom after LOTR backed out of a lot of projects- then Blomkamp was thrown into the mix but as I said FOX came to him, this is a completely different set of circumstances.
Look, I love Alien, Aliens & Alien³.
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or you go the dystopian (& Dull) world of Alien: Resurrection with A:R style Aliens. Neither of these the fans want.
So Neill has an idea that will not make Alien³ meaningless, but will not continue from where it left us- simple as that.
His alternate sequel that opens up a whole world of new options.
Even if it's terrible you have nothing to lose, at the very least it can't possibly be worse than what AVP & A:R did to the franchise.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
Halo was originally to be directed by Peter Jackson, whom after LOTR backed out of a lot of projects- then Blomkamp was thrown into the mix but as I said FOX came to him, this is a completely different set of circumstances.
Look, I love Alien, Aliens & Alien³.
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or you go the dystopian (& Dull) world of Alien: Resurrection with A:R style Aliens. Neither of these the fans want.
So Neill has an idea that will not make Alien³ meaningless, but will not continue from where it left us- simple as that.
His alternate sequel that opens up a whole world of new options.
Even if it's terrible you have nothing to lose, at the very least it can't possibly be worse than what AVP & A:R did to the franchise.
It was only dull because we did not see much of it and don't know much about (tbh, we really know very little about the Alien universe in general). In my own opinion, the repetitive Marine/Alien/Predator video games we've seen over the years have made the period around Aliens seem dull.
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called
Retcon.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
We don't know what this film will do to current continuity but assuming it doesn't go the retcon route and render Alien 3 and Resurrection as bad hyperspace dreams, and it does what Godzilla 1985 did and establish a new continuity-- then we could be looking at a multiverse or alternate timeline. Not necessarily a retcon. Though were on the multiverse train with me, man.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
Halo was originally to be directed by Peter Jackson, whom after LOTR backed out of a lot of projects- then Blomkamp was thrown into the mix but as I said FOX came to him, this is a completely different set of circumstances.
Look, I love Alien, Aliens & Alien³.
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or you go the dystopian (& Dull) world of Alien: Resurrection with A:R style Aliens. Neither of these the fans want.
So Neill has an idea that will not make Alien³ meaningless, but will not continue from where it left us- simple as that.
His alternate sequel that opens up a whole world of new options.
Even if it's terrible you have nothing to lose, at the very least it can't possibly be worse than what AVP & A:R did to the franchise.
It was only dull because we did not see much of it and don't know much about (tbh, we really know very little about the Alien universe in general). In my own opinion, the repetitive Marine/Alien/Predator video games we've seen over the years have made the period around Aliens seem dull.
I disagree (But then I thought of most of it as corny garbage I immediately disregarded anyway.) Resurrection presented a universe that was essentially broken beyond repair, where the United Systems try to control the Xenomorph- it was cartoony and yet dead at the same time.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or...
Her death in Alien 3 was anything but meaningless.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or...
Her death in Alien 3 was anything but meaningless.
No, it was meaningless IF there was to be an Alien V where the monsters returned in that continuity.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
The difference with Star Wars was that what was disregarded was canon created by comics, games and novels, not movies.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
The difference with Star Wars was that what was disregarded was canon created by comics, games and novels, not movies.
That microseries was also disregarded along with The Force Unleashed which presented some MAJOR revelations to the story; it didn't help that that was replaced kiddy Rebels, either. >:(
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
Halo was originally to be directed by Peter Jackson, whom after LOTR backed out of a lot of projects- then Blomkamp was thrown into the mix but as I said FOX came to him, this is a completely different set of circumstances.
Look, I love Alien, Aliens & Alien³.
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or you go the dystopian (& Dull) world of Alien: Resurrection with A:R style Aliens. Neither of these the fans want.
So Neill has an idea that will not make Alien³ meaningless, but will not continue from where it left us- simple as that.
His alternate sequel that opens up a whole world of new options.
Even if it's terrible you have nothing to lose, at the very least it can't possibly be worse than what AVP & A:R did to the franchise.
It was only dull because we did not see much of it and don't know much about (tbh, we really know very little about the Alien universe in general). In my own opinion, the repetitive Marine/Alien/Predator video games we've seen over the years have made the period around Aliens seem dull.
I disagree (But then I thought of most of it as corny garbage I immediately disregarded anyway.) Resurrection presented a universe that was essentially broken beyond repair, where the United Systems try to control the Xenomorph- it was cartoony and yet dead at the same time.
We only saw a tiny, tiny fraction of that universe. For all we know, human society outside of Earth might be flourishing in certain areas. And what the USM was trying to do was no more ridiculous than what the Company was trying to achieve in the first three films.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
And so much should be disregarded, like AVP.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
The difference with Star Wars was that what was disregarded was canon created by comics, games and novels, not movies.
That microseries was also disregarded along with The Force Unleashed which presented some MAJOR revelations to the story; it didn't help that that was replaced kiddy Rebels, either. >:(
Which microseries are you referring to (I've been out of the loop on SW EU for a few years now)? As for TFU, yes it was a major plot point but again it was just a game and not on the same level as the movies.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
The difference with Star Wars was that what was disregarded was canon created by comics, games and novels, not movies.
That microseries was also disregarded along with The Force Unleashed which presented some MAJOR revelations to the story; it didn't help that that was replaced kiddy Rebels, either. >:(
Which microseries are you referring to (I've been out of the loop on SW EU for a few years now)? As for TFU, yes it was a major plot point but again it was just a game and not on the same level as the movies.
Trust me, nothing of consequence.
The only good things out of the SW EU (KOTOR & KOTOR2) had already been ruined by SWTOR.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Anything that attempts to continue from Resurrection is doomed from the start
Only for people who have no creativity. Honestly I cant believe people are even considering this as remotely acceptable for this franchise. Disregarding half the series?! its insane.
If you look at the Star Wars franchise, they disregarded SO much after their whole "Legends" revelation, and it's not like AVP fans aren't doing the same thing with this franchise. Fandom has opened the door for a GREAT monster, and that monster is called Retcon.
The difference with Star Wars was that what was disregarded was canon created by comics, games and novels, not movies.
That microseries was also disregarded along with The Force Unleashed which presented some MAJOR revelations to the story; it didn't help that that was replaced kiddy Rebels, either. >:(
Which microseries are you referring to (I've been out of the loop on SW EU for a few years now)? As for TFU, yes it was a major plot point but again it was just a game and not on the same level as the movies.
This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk9lPotcW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk9lPotcW4)
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or...
Her death in Alien 3 was anything but meaningless.
No, it was meaningless IF there was to be an Alien V where the monsters returned in that continuity.
The odds of aliens only existing within the Derelict are small, and Ripley was probably aware of this. Doesn't make her sacrifice meaningless. She makes the right decision then and there.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 04:06:13 PM
I have the utmost confidence that his Alien will look amazing. His style is so incredibly suitable. I'm actually quite excited to see what he does with a exo-suit and I'm hopeful to see a biomechanical one.
As long as he doesn't direct the movie or anything like that I'm fine. Design wise he's fine, I'll admit that.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or...
Her death in Alien 3 was anything but meaningless.
No, it was meaningless IF there was to be an Alien V where the monsters returned in that continuity.
The odds of aliens only existing within the Derelict are small, and Ripley was probably aware of this. Doesn't make her sacrifice meaningless. She makes the right decision then and there.
But we know from Resurrection there aren't, nearly definitively. Only the vases in Prometheus is the closest you'd get.
I can't believe some people actually want to continue from A:R....
Just no
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 06:08:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 04:06:13 PM
I have the utmost confidence that his Alien will look amazing. His style is so incredibly suitable. I'm actually quite excited to see what he does with a exo-suit and I'm hopeful to see a biomechanical one.
As long as he doesn't direct the movie or anything like that I'm fine. Design wise he's fine, I'll admit that.
District 9 is a fantastic film, with direction I actually prefer to Cameron (Not to Fincher or Ridley though) so I can't see where you're coming from on this.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But the place that Alien³ left us was a place that either Ripley's sacrifice becomes meaningless or...
Her death in Alien 3 was anything but meaningless.
No, it was meaningless IF there was to be an Alien V where the monsters returned in that continuity.
The odds of aliens only existing within the Derelict are small, and Ripley was probably aware of this. Doesn't make her sacrifice meaningless. She makes the right decision then and there.
But we know from Resurrection there aren't, nearly definitively. Only the vases in Prometheus is the closest you'd get.
We don't know that. Space is big and the military might have decided that it was easier to try to clone an alien than to search the cosmos for one.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
I can't believe some people actually want to continue from A:R....
Just no
I actually thought there were very few people who could do that well, but Blomkamp is perfect for this. District 9 has many similar themes. I thought that when I first saw the film. Then Elysium was so obviously inspired by the tech in Aliens...
That said, continuation from A:R - I would expect to stray from what A:R was to begin with.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 06:08:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 04:06:13 PM
I have the utmost confidence that his Alien will look amazing. His style is so incredibly suitable. I'm actually quite excited to see what he does with a exo-suit and I'm hopeful to see a bio
mechanical one.
As long as he doesn't direct the movie or anything like that I'm fine. Design wise he's fine, I'll admit that.
District 9 is a fantastic film, with direction I actually prefer to Cameron (Not to Fincher or Ridley though) so I can't see where you're coming from on this.
The concept and designs are great, but the direction, human characters and especially the second half of the movie is pretty bad. That movie is all hype and surface. Same goes with Elysium. Smoke and mirrors.
Weaver looking really well :)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs11.postimg.org%2Few4zkxsoz%2Fsig.jpg&hash=281191f7e5bfdb4016a17d39fe7ff93197fbf712) (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.org%2F51znt3ruh%2Fsig_2.jpg&hash=ed7c158274cd70d8f20e541c0a26f223e4649ce7)
MY ALIEN 5 PLOT (
THE BASIS, something along these lines)
Ripley, Hicks Bishop Newt all aboard the drop ship heading back to Earth. Bishop tells them he found a document of classified information from Carter J. Burke that was sent to him from Weyland-Yutani Corp. That were in his pants. He found this before he headed to the APC that was right around were the escape chase started. ( ETA 16 Minutes!) In the paper it says a unknown restricted area was infested with Eggs and Facehuggers and that the whole Colony is wiped out, nothing but a ghost town, very spooky. Lots of Aliens wandering around in a town meeting. LT.Ripley and Corporal Hicks are in Awe at the info disposed before them and are scared out of there minds. But they just want to go home but they soon come to mind that there is no other marines left to come and help and that if they are to be more than brave and wipe them out they would have to come together, agree on this almost impossible mission, team up and destroy all targets. Every last one of them, THE ALIENS. Knowing this information at hand, they must get to the spot and kill off everything before it multiplies even further and becomes even harder to do as if it couldn't become even more so already. This becomes Ripley and Hicks Ultimate Nightmare. On the other hand you have Weyland-Yutani men already observing the colony on the same task as Ripley and Hicks. But they want to bring back studies into Quarantine which Ripley and Hicks don't agree with, they had this discussion in Aliens and now they are fed up! They just want to wipe The Bugs the hell out!. This would give further insight to Burke and his Corporate Deeds. He lives on the same page with Weyland. Just careless and only caring about money and not the civilization that was living on these Colonys. Hinting back to Aliens (1986).
On this deserted colony, is other types of Aliens like Queens and Preatorians that must be destroyed before Ripley and Hicks, the team of ultimate badasses can truly head back home. For story sake, there is some ammo not seen from the ship that was sort of hidden.That Ripley and Hicks must use in all the right and smart ways to accomplish there mission. Wipe the Bugs out. Also they must create explosives as well. And as before, they must conserve a lot of ammo to use against the Weyland-Yutani soldiers that obviously don't come to an agreement with Lt. Ripley and Corporal Hicks in there brief meeting at first that took place in the middle of the Alien Mist. Knowing though that there is a lot more Xenomorphs to take out and a group of these soldiers to take out in the same hardcore fashion, ammo is running out, big time. Fear is building up. Only having themselves to rely on each other... If Ripley and Hicks are to come out on top and survive they must join together, Out smart anything and everything and truly become the Ultimate Threat.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Weaver looking really well :)
http://s11.postimg.org/ew4zkxsoz/sig.jpg http://s10.postimg.org/51znt3ruh/sig_2.jpg
Thumbs up for Alien V!
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Weaver looking really well :)
http://s11.postimg.org/ew4zkxsoz/sig.jpg http://s10.postimg.org/51znt3ruh/sig_2.jpg
Although she looks a bit weird in the second pic, I honestly find Sigourney more attractive now than how she looked when she was younger and in the Alien movies.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
I can't believe some people actually want to continue from A:R....
Just no
I totally blame Jeunet for this movie. You could have done great things with this synopsis. Seriously, who hired that guy as director once?
I'm not such a big fan of Hicks and Newt. Blomkamp could have redeemed the character Ripley 8 from this mess, i believe.
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 11:02:53 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Weaver looking really well :)
http://s11.postimg.org/ew4zkxsoz/sig.jpg http://s10.postimg.org/51znt3ruh/sig_2.jpg
Although she looks a bit weird in the second pic, I honestly find Sigourney more attractive now than how she looked when she was younger and in the Alien movies.
(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/673/content_tumblr_maq0mt7wdc1rhq7xgo1_500.jpg?1350420974)
Really?
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
I can't believe some people actually want to continue from A:R....
Just no
I totally blame Jeunet for this movie. You could have done great things with this synopsis. Seriously, who hired that guy as director once?
I'm not such a big fan of Hicks and Newt. Blomkamp could have redeemed the character Ripley 8 from this mess, i believe.
I dont think ripley 8 can be redeemed as a good character after A:R. Sorry.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 27, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
Mmm I think what he's saying that its not directly going to retcon A3/A4. Similar to how predators sort of ignored predator 2 without retconning or even noting the film.
But that is ridiculous when you're bringing characters back to life, which looks to be the case.
Predators had new characters.
This new film should have new characters.
Predator 2 also allowed their to be a sequel of any variety. They whole reason that the film was being considered was the discussions with Weaver and Blomkamp. Of course Ripley is returning, we just don't know how yet. That's is what happens where you have sequels like A3 and A4 that made it extremely difficult to make any further movies.
New characters sure, but I'm sure Blomkamp wants her to return. He wishes to continue the story with Ripley, without over convoluting it.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 11:02:53 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Weaver looking really well :)
http://s11.postimg.org/ew4zkxsoz/sig.jpg http://s10.postimg.org/51znt3ruh/sig_2.jpg
Although she looks a bit weird in the second pic, I honestly find Sigourney more attractive now than how she looked when she was younger and in the Alien movies.
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/673/content_tumblr_maq0mt7wdc1rhq7xgo1_500.jpg?1350420974
Really?
That's a cute pic but yes. I don't really have a thing for older women or anything but for some reason with her I like her better now :-[
I think she's always been gorgeous and even now, just thought your "viewpoint" was a tad strange is all, no worries.
This should be a sequel to Aliens. Would be cool to see Alien: Isolation made into a movie too.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
It's arm isn't broken in the Concept art so I'm guessing it's different.
Very good point...
Quote from: zuzuki on Feb 27, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Anyways i can't wait for them to explain grandma Ripley waking up old. Let me guess, all the cryo-tubes had a malfunction so Ripley, Hicks and Newt all aged. They didn't have nourishment to facilitate the aging process, but hey they just got older. FML
Ripley didn't exactly look like she'd just stepped off the Nostromo in '
Aliens', either. Fresh-faced, she wasn't.
However, Weaver was in a recent vampire film, '
Cabin In The Woods' and '
Avatar'. She looked totally fine! I don't see what the fuss is about.
Quote from: P R E D A T O R on Feb 28, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
This should be a sequel to Aliens. Would be cool to see Alien: Isolation made into a movie too.
Elements of the game might work, but there wasn't enough to sustain a film, story-wise. A couple of hours watching a lone character rush around to hide in cabinets? No, thank you. :)
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days.
The art not only looks epic but it suggest the next alien film we all expected to see. It looks like we will see it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 06:00:51 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days.
that Riplley forgets in Alien 3?
Yeah, a movie between the original three would just be bullshit of the highest order, hoaky ACM style bullshit at that.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:12:13 AM
Elements of the game might work, but there wasn't enough to sustain a film, story-wise. A couple of hours watching a lone character rush around to hide in cabinets? No, thank you. :)
There's plenty of story to draw from in Alien Isolation.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:12:13 AM
Elements of the game might work, but there wasn't enough to sustain a film, story-wise. A couple of hours watching a lone character rush around to hide in cabinets? No, thank you. :)
There's plenty of story to draw from in Alien Isolation.
True enough, there's plenty of time between Aliens and Alien to tell a story- Aliens and Alien3 though? Nope.
I have no issue with doing a retcon, but if it were up to me I probably would have explored the idea of doing something with the Amanda character. When I first heard that's what they were going to do for AI i didn't like the idea, but after seeing it so well executed in Isolation... Yeah, I think that would have made for a great film.
Quote from: iilllUMFllliii on Feb 28, 2015, 08:14:48 AM
The art not only looks epic but it suggest the next alien film we all expected to see. It looks like we will see it.
plot , Ripley and hicks breaking into weyland yutani headquarters ( aliens have been used in the bio weapons dept for the last 30 years ) to finish the job .... Only way to be sure !!
Just a thought
^ This is what I like
And also, yes I like Amanda Ripley as a character also, but she wont be in this movie im sure.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 06:00:51 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days.
Seriously?
I admire the effort and its a good fun read, but this stuff is really splitting hairs. Deductive reasoning, being skillful or not, it's fan fiction.
The novelisation says this, an early draft of a script may have said that... Cool. Great to read this. But it's not meant to be this precise because the movies are made for mass audiences not obsessed fans like we all are. Haha. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE IT. But that's me - a massive Alien nerd.
At a certain point you need to suspend disbelief and admit that its a sci-fi movie and the details don't need to be this absolute. That said, they don't need to be disrespected and retconned either.
I think the lack of clarity in this area (who, what, when and where), especially in Alien 3, sets the tone correctly. The less this stuff is clarified the better. It makes space that much more unsettling IMO anyway. But then again, I always felt A3 started off the way it did to suggest there was a greater story we didn't know about yet (which Prometheus and A:CM and A:I all further contribute to) and I actually LIKED that idea. Which, is something I've never, ever, understood fan reactions to... Why can't people accept the idea that they are only seeing a piece of a larger puzzle? I dunno. Why does everything need to be in this neat package? It's the same thing in Aliens. Some people think Burke was acting alone. In a sense I agree but I also think there was clearly a cover up somewhere and someone knew something whetehr those are the people Ripley interacted with or not. Big Brother was watching... I specifically mean to say; These aren't questions I want answers to. The proposed answers we all give support to, should be tempered as ruminations. Just ruminations. And what happens when you start trying to line up all these dominos that aren't meant to be lined up, is you end up butting heads with future additions to the story because you forced everything to work out in your mind based on limited information and because we all became attached to certain things we liked and/or did not like...
This stuff needs to be taken with a grain of salt, yes. But this is also why retcons are terrible things.
Nothing needs to be in a neat package, I like Prometheus and A:I but ACM is a horrible game and yet a perfect example of why so many want this retcon.
Alien3 being great aside, it didn't leave people in a place with a lot of creative freedom- as I've mentioned in other threads, I've seen ten years of comics dancing around the issue.
If they can make a story after Aliens and still have 3 and Resurrection canon then go for it. But if its going to hinder making one last good Alien film, I don't really mind ignoring 3 and Resurrection.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 06:54:02 PM
Nothing needs to be in a neat package, I like Prometheus and A:I but ACM is a horrible game and yet a perfect example of why so many want this retcon.
Alien3 being great aside, it didn't leave people in a place with a lot of creative freedom- as I've mentioned in other threads, I've seen ten years of comics dancing around the issue.
The reason Alien 3 left little creative freedom was because it was the end of Ripleys story. From that point there should have been new series in the franchise with new characters (which Rez tried to do).
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 28, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 06:54:02 PM
Nothing needs to be in a neat package, I like Prometheus and A:I but ACM is a horrible game and yet a perfect example of why so many want this retcon.
Alien3 being great aside, it didn't leave people in a place with a lot of creative freedom- as I've mentioned in other threads, I've seen ten years of comics dancing around the issue.
The reason Alien 3 left little creative freedom was because it was the end of Ripleys story. From that point there should have been new series in the franchise with new characters (which Rez tried to do).
Exactamundo!
Too bad FOX can't keep their d!cks in their pants. Even so A:R kept all the doors open for new stories, maybe not the stories many of the fans have a hard-on for.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:37:40 PMExactamundo!
Too bad FOX can't keep their d!cks in their pants. Even so A:R kept all the doors open for new stories, maybe not the stories many of the fans have a hard-on for.
Hey! I'm open to new stories, but FIRST you have to give me a satisfying sequel to Aliens. And I say satisfying because Alien 3 (dramatic/epic sacrifice in the end, if you want me to recognize it) was one of the most underwhelming experiences I have ever had in cinema.
If your idea of a "satisfying sequel" to Aliens amounts to it being Aliens II, that hardly seems satisfying.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:37:40 PMExactamundo!
Too bad FOX can't keep their d!cks in their pants. Even so A:R kept all the doors open for new stories, maybe not the stories many of the fans have a hard-on for.
Hey! I'm open to new stories, but FIRST you have to give me a satisfying sequel to Aliens. And I say satisfying because Alien 3 (dramatic/epic sacrifice in the end, if you want me to recognize it) was one of the most underwhelming experiences I have ever had in cinema.
So you're saying you're open to new stories as long as they are like ALIENS? Got it!
And the end of A3 underwhelming? Ok pal. When it comes to cinematic taste you and I have nothing to talk about.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 09:57:45 PMSo you're saying you're open to new stories as long as they are like ALIENS? Got it!
No, I mean, we all agree a new Alien saga with different characters there are like probably 5% possibilities it will be as good as the first one. The way they ended the past tetralogy was terrible, the saga would have to close in a high note to regain my trust and make me exciting to see more... Because with Alien 3 and A:R the only thing they is that the fuel had run out...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 09:57:45 PMAnd the end of A3 underwhelming? Ok pal. When it comes to cinematic taste you and I have nothing to talk about.
Most people that liked ALIENS didn't like ALIEN 3 at all. That's definitely saying something about how good idea was...
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
If your idea of a "satisfying sequel" to Aliens amounts to it being Aliens II, that hardly seems satisfying.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
Plenty of fans love Alien 3 for being Alien 2.0.
Which you can argue it's not (because it failed to be scary.)
QuoteOk pal. When it comes to cinematic taste you and I have nothing to talk about.
Can we have less of this?
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
If your idea of a "satisfying sequel" to Aliens amounts to it being Aliens II, that hardly seems satisfying.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
Plenty of fans love Alien 3 for being Alien 2.0.
But Aliens was a step forward from Alien... That would mean Alien 3 is a step backwards...
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Plenty of fans love Alien 3 for being Alien 2.0.
Which you can argue it's not (because it failed to be scary.)
True, but saying people who liked
Aliens often didn't like
Alien3, ergo 3 was a bad idea, isn't saying much.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
But Aliens was a step forward from Alien... That would mean Alien 3 is a step backwards...
No, it wouldn't. Bigger isn't better, or the only logical step. The first three movies are all very different. People only celebrate the fact that one's different because they like it.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Plenty of fans love Alien 3 for being Alien 2.0.
Which you can argue it's not (because it failed to be scary.)
True, but saying people who liked Aliens often didn't like Alien3, ergo 3 was a bad idea, isn't saying much.
Agreed on that.
Well, people who loved Aliens hated Alien 3, because of the killing. Just like Cameron said, it was a slap on the face. One that we haven't recovered from, yet. The studio owes us that.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
I just wanted to see how the next film progressed the story of the four (three and a half?) survivors, didn't matter to me if it stuck to the formula of Aliens or the original or went in a completely different direction tbh. Just wanted a strong story that lived up to the standards set by those first two films and gave the series a satisfactory conclusion. Man, was I disappointed...
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Well, people who loved Aliens hated Alien 3, because of the killing. Just like Cameron said, it was a slap on the face. One that we haven't recovered from, yet. The studio owes us that.
I think most people have come around, not necessarily to like the killing of Hicks and Newt (though many do) but to at least accept it.
I was disapointed by it, but then, when I first watched the movie I was 13 and had already had negative internet reactions burnt into my head before going in. After putting it aside and revisiting it on my own terms, I'm actually really happy with the choices -- the ones that aren't dumb, like the egg's placement on the ship -- that went into Alien 3. Killing Hicks and Newt was absolutely necessary for the direction that the film went in. The film is very problematic in a lot of ways, but it also excels in a lot of ways in what it tries to do (it is bleak, depressing, and illuminated with only a faint glimmer of hope -- the ability to stop the Aliens once and for all -- at the end of the tunnel), and it excels in delivering that. On top of that the film is visually striking, dodgy Alien shots aside, and Weaver is perhaps at her best as Ripley in this installment.
I love the movie now, even with everything that is wrong with it. It is the only product that could have come out of the dire position that it was placed in from the moment it was announced, and I respect it for boldly doing something new and different and, even though it has it's problems and divided the audience, mostly excelling in what it set out to do.
That being said, it is, at the end of the day, a movie. A movie that, like the other entries, was put together by a different set of hands than the original, and the film that preceded it, and the film that succeeded it. That's what's made the series so interesting to watch with each installment. They've all blatantly been very different beasts, constructed from very different people going through very different creative processes. And now we're getting that again. And, for me at least, I really don't give a shit if it's a reboot or retcon or what have you. At the end of the day it's another movie, another set of hands, tackling the franchise and leaving his own mark on it. As long as it isn't blatantly "Aliens 2" and it has an identity of it's own it will at least be worth checking out. Hell, maybe it'll even be good. That's something worth hoping for.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 28, 2015, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
I just wanted to see how the next film progressed the story of the four (three and a half?) survivors, didn't matter to me if it stuck to the formula of Aliens or the original or went in a completely different direction tbh. Just wanted a strong story that lived up to the standards set by those first two films and gave the series a satisfactory conclusion. Man, was I disappointed...
THIS.
There are tons of cool new storylines they could have taken the xeno, while keeping the same thriller/action tone from Aliens, rather than a back to basics from Alien 3.
Keeping consistent with the tone doesn't have to mean be the same movie all over again, that's something stupid to say.
Check Alien: Breakout, it feels like the logical progression of the series, it keeps the same tone but is also a big step forward :D
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Well, people who loved Aliens hated Alien 3, because of the killing. Just like Cameron said, it was a slap on the face. One that we haven't recovered from, yet. The studio owes us that.
Nobody owes you anything.
The problems that people seem to bring up about Alien 3 is how they killed off Newt and Hicks and the depressing mood of the film. I personally didnt think that was the films problem at all, I can see how it was a slap in the face to fans of Aliens, but the films greatest strength is how it tells Ripley's end and ultimate sacrifice. But I think the films problems are with its disjointed script, many scenes do not flow, many of the characters are uninteresting with undeveloped motivations, mystery of the alien itself is not there (it just goes around killing people without the tension the previous films had), and I thought the film was ultimately boring where building atmosphere was replaced with many scenes of talking followed by some inmate being killed. The assembly cut helps but it mostly works to chip out some plot holes and flesh out some religious aspects of the inmates. The end is definitely the highlight for me, but the rest of the film couldn't grab me. Not that I dislike the film, I respect it more than I first saw it, but overall the destination is far better than the journey, and that's a shame.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Well, people who loved Aliens hated Alien 3, because of the killing. Just like Cameron said, it was a slap on the face. One that we haven't recovered from, yet. The studio owes us that.
Nobody owes you anything.
It's obvious there were huge expectations for the movie, Alien 3 shattered that but there's a way all those good wishes can reignite, with Alien 5. We all know it's more than likely gonna be Ripley and Hicks again, so it's a step in the right direction.
Alien3 would have much more survival-horror impact if it had been the second film. Maybe the shuttle that Ripley escaped in at the end of the first movie could have crashed on Fury 161. The mutating Kane or Dallas "egg" from the cutscene in Alien could have been carried and hidden aboard the escape shuttle by the Alien. Thus, dog finds egg and another alien (runner) is spawned much the same as the original storyline in A3. Ripley and a couple prisoners survive the runner and kill it. Ripley and the surviving prisoner(s) attempt to return to earth somehow but something goes wrong with the ship, and they end up drifting in space for decades and are found, hence the beginning of Aliens.
THEN a third film in the shoot-em-up theme of Aliens could have taken place. Ripley finds out that colonies have been set up on LV426, goes there, meets newt, and so on.. Aliens action theme, with hundreds of xenos getting shot up, let the air out of the surviving a single alien scenario. Sort of like a quasi-reshuffling of the chronological order, similar to what some people do with the Star Wars saga.
Quote from: TheSulaco426 on Feb 28, 2015, 11:05:41 PM
The problems that people seem to bring up about Alien 3 is how they killed off Newt and Hicks and the depressing mood of the film. I personally didnt think that was the films problem at all, I can see how it was a slap in the face to fans of Aliens, but the films greatest strength is how it tells Ripley's end and ultimate sacrifice. But I think the films problems are with its disjointed script, many scenes do not flow, many of the characters are uninteresting with undeveloped motivations, mystery of the alien itself is not there (it just goes around killing people without the tension the previous films had), and I thought the film was ultimately boring where building atmosphere was replaced with many scenes of talking followed by some inmate being killed. The assembly cut helps but it mostly works to chip out some plot holes and flesh out some religious aspects of the inmates. The end is definitely the highlight for me, but the rest of the film couldn't grab me. Not that I dislike the film, I respect it more than I first saw it, but overall the destination is far better than the journey, and that's a shame.
Yeah, the film's greatest flaw is not the lack of Newt and Hicks; in fact, by the funeral scene, the film has more than made up for it. The problem is the script - almost all of it, not just the opening credits.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 11:13:46 PM
It's obvious there were huge expectations for the movie, Alien 3 shattered that
And yet still, nobody owes you shit.
Perhaps Alien5 will be about how the egg got on the Sulaco ;D
In my recent previous post, the idea of reshuffled order of events happening in the movie series would have allowed much more impact of the Fury161 storyline, since it would have been Alien2 instead, and also allowed Newt, Hicks, and maybe even a few other characters to survive later on. Aliens would then have been the THIRD film in the saga. That would have left another movie starring Newt & Hicks wide open, because I agree that is sucked to see them survive the hell on LV426, only to die at the beginning of A3. That chronological order of events would also have kept the storyline of Alien Resurrection, where 200 years later scientists get hold of Ripley's blood on Fury161, completely intact. A simple reshuffling would have worked wonders, and made more people happy, in my opinion.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 11:13:46 PM
It's obvious there were huge expectations for the movie, Alien 3 shattered that
And yet still, nobody owes you shit.
They owe that to themselves too. It's the studio's fault the Alien (with AvP and everything else included) has never been able to reach high heights like before. Just like what they did when they "killed" the X-Men series for much time with X-Men 3, fortunately they could change that with X-Men: DoFP, now just do the same with Alien.
Nobody's owed anything.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Most people who liked Aliens wanted the same sort of film again.
Actually, most people were geared up for this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_x9W1xKng
From what I remember of those now-ye olde days, many fans (myself included) got the vibe that it would be a cross between both of the first films: Aliens finally making their way to infest Earth with an epic scale of threat from the second, but elements of personal horror/intimacy retained from the first.
It's worth remembering that, in debates about how the third film was received, at the time, the fact that it was
so different in tone from that famous official advert very heavily contributed to the general sense of disappointment at the time. People were led to believe it wouldn't feel as desolate and severely limited in scope as it proved to be. We were hoping to see the proverbial shit hit the fan and Ripley's 'if just one of those things makes it to Earth' comment feel like ominous foreshadowing. Yet another relatively self-contained incident just felt superfluous (in terms of the series).
And to this day, that's still the best advert - and modified tag-line - of all the films. :)
If this movie manages to incite even half the atmosphere that trailer managed to, it could be very satisfying.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 12:49:25 AM
And to this day, that's still the best advert - and modified tag-line - of all the films. :)
Ew. No.
Alien still beats it by a mile. The trailer for that film's almost as scary as the film itself.
The Alien trailer is basically perfect. The sirens, the music, the editing... all around excellent. In all probability my favourite movie trailer.
The Alien trailer was about as good as trailers get. The trailer for Aliens however was terrible, especially considering the material it had to work with...
Alien ---> Aliens ----> ???
Alien --> Aliens ----> Alien 3 ---> (nothing)
Alien --> Aliens ---> Alien 3 ---> Alien Resurrection
Promtheus ---> Alien ----> ???
Prometheus ---> Alien ---> Aliens ----> ???
Prometheus ---> Alien --> Aliens ----> Alien 3 ---> (nothing)
Promtheus ---> Alien --> Aliens ---> Alien 3 ---> Alien Resurrection
Prometheus ---> Alien --> Aliens ---> Alien 5
someone's always going to be right somewhere
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Alien 5/Reboot
Prometheus
Prometheus 2
Works for me.
It's fairly obvious the route their going is the Sulaco getting picked up and Newt and Hicks and Ripley going there merry way before something happens decades later that calls their attention to Weyland-Yutani's capture of some specimens, and Ripley and Hicks break into a secure facility as is with the past two films of his (MNU - Elysium) and action happens.
I have no idea, in earth or heaven, what kind of colonial marines mind/retcon games are going to fit an older Hicks and Ripley in the continuity of Alien 3 and 4 without considering Alien 3 and Resurrection a separate string of events unrelated. Or just Alien 3. Whichever, whoever prefers.
In the cryosleeps, ripley and hicks astral project but the alien can also astral project... who would have thought it possible! None of you! Not even me!
Quote from: Jman on Feb 28, 2015, 11:36:29 PM
In my recent previous post, the idea of reshuffled order of events happening in the movie series would have allowed much more impact of the Fury161 storyline, since it would have been Alien2 instead, and also allowed Newt, Hicks, and maybe even a few other characters to survive later on. Aliens would then have been the THIRD film in the saga. That would have left another movie starring Newt & Hicks wide open, because I agree that is sucked to see them survive the hell on LV426, only to die at the beginning of A3. That chronological order of events would also have kept the storyline of Alien Resurrection, where 200 years later scientists get hold of Ripley's blood on Fury161, completely intact. A simple reshuffling would have worked wonders, and made more people happy, in my opinion.
Interesting idea. Only problem is Ripley dies at the end of 3!
Of course, Ripley's death would have to have not ever happened. Just a thought on what would may have been a more acceptable storyline to the fans.
I just finally saw District 9 last week, and I'm hard-pressed to think of a shot in the movie that was more than three seconds long. I've heard people say that Elysium was "boring"; can I take that to mean that Blomkamp is at least capable of making a film that 'breathes' a little more? Like, you know... an Alien film?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
I just finally saw District 9 last week, and I'm hard-pressed to think of a shot in the movie that was more than three seconds long.
There's plenty.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:25:08 AM
I have no idea, in earth or heaven, what kind of colonial marines mind/retcon games are going to fit an older Hicks and Ripley in the continuity
Age won't be an issue. She still looks good and he'll have lots of acidic burning.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:25:08 AM
I have no idea, in earth or heaven, what kind of colonial marines mind/retcon games are going to fit an older Hicks and Ripley in the continuity
Age won't be an issue. She still looks good and he'll have lots of acidic burning.
She looks good, but not thirty-six years old.
It can be set a long time after Aliens, you know.
Part of me is saying "oh god, he is a total fanboy and this is like a wet dream come true."
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
I just finally saw District 9 last week, and I'm hard-pressed to think of a shot in the movie that was more than three seconds long.
There's plenty.
Well I'm not gonna go and time them all, but anyone can see that the pace of the editing in that film is vastly different to the Alien films...
especially the first two.
The point is that was a stand-alone film, and we haven't seen how Blomkamp exactly behaves when making a sequel to a third party, estabilished property. Also, both Alien and Aliens have their quick cuts when they need to.
I never said he 'can't do it', I was asking a simple question:
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
I've heard people say that Elysium was "boring"; can I take that to mean that Blomkamp is at least capable of making a film that 'breathes' a little more? Like, you know... an Alien film?
I was answering to that question, but if you want a short answer: yes, most likely.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
I never said he 'can't do it', I was asking a simple question:
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
I've heard people say that Elysium was "boring"; can I take that to mean that Blomkamp is at least capable of making a film that 'breathes' a little more? Like, you know... an Alien film?
I'm confident in his aesthetic sense; his designs and atmospheres are and over all concepts are great, but that is about it. Everything else feels juvenile, clumsy, haphazard and lacks nerve, despite the conceptual potential of each project. I don't think he has the integrity and what it takes as a director to take on an Alien film, unless he just goes the easy route and decides to carbon copy one of the more popular Alien movies *cough!*
Yeah, the guy's obviously worthless. Four Academy nominations for District 9 (including best picture) what the hell do they know eh?
plot , Ripley and hicks breaking into weyland yutani headquarters ( aliens have been used in the bio weapons dept for the last 30 years ) to finish the job .... Only way to be sure !!
Just a thought
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
Yeah, the guy's obviously worthless. Four Academy nominations for District 9 (including best picture) what the hell do they know eh?
Awards mean very little. Plenty of acknowledged amazing directors and movies out there that no one knows about. It's the studios and money that call the shots.
Never said he's worthless. Great conceptual works, but his director ability/skills is nothing spectacular. At best mediocre. I liked District9 despite the crappy second half. Had high hopes for Elysium but was deeply disappointed, and what I've seen and heard so far about Chappie does not make me feel confident in him directing an actual Alien movie.
Keep in mind that when Scott directed Alien he only had "A boy and his bicycle" and "The Duellists" on his resume. A student film and a modestly well-received low budget art film.
Cameron only had Piranha II and The Terminator.
David Fincher only had a few music videos on his resume before his debut film, Alien 3.
I think Blomkamp's credentials already outstrip those directors who went before him. Not to say there's no chance of him messing it up, but the odds are good that it will be a decent film.
Something positive in Blomkamp's favor is that this truly is a labor of love on his part. It's not like Fox cooked up this whole idea and then went searching for directors.
I would like to think we know better than to take his fandom as some form of credentials. AvP and AVPR have shown us that...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:49:47 PM
I would like to think we know better than to take his fandom as some form of credentials. AvP and AVPR have shown us that...
Fair enough.
I am very happy that the film is in Blomkamp's hands. This guys love for the sci-fi genre is admirable. I was very impressed with D9 and I was even more impressed with his short movies. He is a passionate guy and I hope he brings that passion to this new Alien project. The series needs someone like Blomkamp :)
I'm also excited that for the first time the series will be directed by a guy from my generation (more or less ;) ). Someone who grew up with these movies. He knows he can't mess it up :P
PS. I know this could all go sideways, Prometheus taught me that lesson. But I try to stay optimistic :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:49:47 PM
I would like to think we know better than to take his fandom as some form of credentials. AvP and AVPR have shown us that...
I am also seeing too many similarities between how fans are reacting to this news and how they reacted to avp-r. You'd think we all would know better then to jump on the bandwagon by now.
Thing is Anderson went down the pg13 road which did the movie good what so ever and the Strouse brothers where not proven directors , I thought skyline was even worse than AvPr,
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Keep in mind that when Scott directed Alien he only had "A boy and his bicycle" and "The Duellists" on his resume. A student film and a modestly well-received low budget art film.
Cameron only had Piranha II and The Terminator.
David Fincher only had a few music videos on his resume before his debut film, Alien 3.
I think Blomkamp's credentials already outstrip those directors who went before him. Not to say there's no chance of him messing it up, but the odds are good that it will be a decent film.
What I liked about ALIEN and A3 is that it still had that film school respect for the craft and art of the film medium since both Scott and Fincher were still pretty fresh. I love Scott's early films and I find them far superior to his newer movies. Fincher has been pretty consistent, but A3 is one of his better films due to the restrictions and constraints. The tortured artist really applies.
The only Cameron film I really like is actually The Terminator. So much better than T2.
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Something more is cooking up boys. I can feel it.
Brace yourselves epicness is comming.
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Something more is cooking up boys. I can feel it.
Brace yourselves epicness is comming.
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LOL
(& Fox owns both)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2973597/Make-free-Sigourney-Weaver-65-sweetly-greet-fans-London-announcing-s-attached-Neill-Blomkamp-Alien-flick.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2973597/Make-free-Sigourney-Weaver-65-sweetly-greet-fans-London-announcing-s-attached-Neill-Blomkamp-Alien-flick.html)
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Im so glad this is finally happening!!
Great, now bring on the Hicks and the Henricksen :D
The fact Alien 5 will take place years after Prometheus 2, Got me thinking that, This could very well be an alternate reality of the Alien universe, You can take things to different directions.
I remember when Alien 3 came out, and the outrage wasn't necessarily due to the fact that Hicks and Newt were killed off, but instead because of the permanence of Ripley's demise. Mediocre film, atrocious script, and Ripley meeting a miserable fate after being put through Hell in the three films.
I may be among the minority (I really don't know), but I would be absolutely fine with Blomkamp making Alien 3 & Resurrection dreams that Ripley had while in hypersleep. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled.
I would really rather they either stay canon or just get ignored. Making something "all just a dream" is like the worst of both worlds - it makes an element unnecessary while preserving it in the canon. It also strikes me as awkward as hell, possibly because it's such a cliche.
Quote from: TigerClaw on Mar 02, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
The fact Alien 5 will take place years after Prometheus 2, Got me thinking that, This could very well be an alternate reality of the Alien universe, You can take things to different directions.
Which is how I see things, and am believing how things are shaping out to be considering Blomkamp's statement that he was ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection, but not undoing them. Just not a lot of people want to see it that way.
Quote from: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 03, 2015, 03:57:31 AM
I would really rather they either stay canon or just get ignored. Making something "all just a dream" is like the worst of both worlds - it makes an element unnecessary while preserving it in the canon. It also strikes me as awkward as hell, possibly because it's such a cliche.
This... I really hope Blomkamp doesn't make Alien 3 and Resurrection as dreams. I just find that downright insulting.
All of the news so far is great! I hope the film doesn't disappoint!
Now that I'd like to see
Quote from: Greggors on Mar 02, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
I may be among the minority (I really don't know), but I would be absolutely fine with Blomkamp making Alien 3 & Resurrection dreams that Ripley had while in hypersleep. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled.
No you sound like every other ALIENS fanboy out there, so no need to worry.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 23, 2015, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Greggors on Mar 02, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
I may be among the minority (I really don't know), but I would be absolutely fine with Blomkamp making Alien 3 & Resurrection dreams that Ripley had while in hypersleep. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled.
No you sound like all the other ALIENS fanboys out there, so no need to worry.
And you don't sound like an Alien 3 fanboy? We're all fanboys by the sheer fact of us talking on these forums. ::)
Alien fan boy myself. :)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 01:07:32 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 23, 2015, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Greggors on Mar 02, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
I may be among the minority (I really don't know), but I would be absolutely fine with Blomkamp making Alien 3 & Resurrection dreams that Ripley had while in hypersleep. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled.
No you sound like all the other ALIENS fanboys out there, so no need to worry.
And you don't sound like an Alien 3 fanboy? We're all fanboys by the sheer fact of us talking on these forums. ::)
Only when ALIENS fanboys walk around spewing their dreck about the movies and the franchise as if their word is the truth - Cameron is God, ALIENS is the Bible and that's the way it is. All that smothering self-entitlement and intrusive exceptionalism just pisses me off. In fact ALIENS fandom is one of the reasons I've drifted away from this franchise. A5 might be the last nail in the coffin.
Can we cut out all the sniping at one another and the generalising of swathes of users? Any more and I'll delete posts, people are letting their indignation get out of hand.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 23, 2015, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 01:07:32 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 23, 2015, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Greggors on Mar 02, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
I may be among the minority (I really don't know), but I would be absolutely fine with Blomkamp making Alien 3 & Resurrection dreams that Ripley had while in hypersleep. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled.
No you sound like all the other ALIENS fanboys out there, so no need to worry.
And you don't sound like an Alien 3 fanboy? We're all fanboys by the sheer fact of us talking on these forums. ::)
Only when ALIENS fanboys walk around spewing their dreck about the movies and the franchise as if their word is the truth - Cameron is God, ALIENS is the Bible and that's the way it is. All that smothering self-entitlement and intrusive exceptionalism just pisses me off. In fact ALIENS fandom is one of the reasons I've drifted away from this franchise. A5 might be the last nail in the coffin.
I really don't understand how you could generalize Cameron as an abominable director when Ridley Scott has made his fair share of bombs like GI Jane and Legend, and really, many others
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Keep it civil guys.
I like Legend and GI Jane. : /
I like them too :)
Granted, GI is far from Scott's best film, and with Legend, I like the director's cut. Not his best work, either, and his strange inclusion of midgets and Tom Cruise kind of mar the film, but Tim Curry is a total boss.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 23, 2015, 08:38:23 PM
Can we cut out all the sniping at one another and the generalising of swathes of users? Any more and I'll delete posts, people are letting their indignation get out of hand.
And I've warned before. If folk don't chill out, they'll find they can't post.