Rather than let the Predator thread get cluttered up like we did the Fire and Stone threads, I've created a separate topic for the Prometheus series.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2016/02/09/bcp-interview-dan-abnett-talks-predator-life-and-death/
Here's our first look at the cover art for #1.
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I do love Palumbo's cover art. Another great piece.
Interesting that Mr. Engineer isn't immediately ripping everyone's head off for no apparent reason...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 10, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
I do love Palumbo's cover art. Another great piece.
Interesting that Mr. Engineer isn't immediately ripping everyone's head off for no apparent reason...
That cover has me so excited. I wanna see how this pans out in the story.
It would be kind of fun if they discovered that the Predators were also somehow derived or made by the Engineers, like an experimental race that ended up hyper-aggressive and unbalanced.
I honestly don't even think the writers have that amount of freedom with this new universe, though. I'm sure Fox is reigning them in hard just in case they find an opportunity to further milk the hell out of every possible story angle. :laugh:
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 10, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
It would be kind of fun if they discovered that the Predators were also somehow derived or made by the Engineers, like an experimental race that ended up hyper-aggressive and unbalanced.
I've said it before somewhere but whilst I do like the further empowerment that going this direction would give the Predators hunting their own creators, I don't want to see every sentient being in the universe become some sort of Engineer creation. Let's have some unique ones.
Looks baller! I'll definitely give it a read when its released. Although if they would take the Predators out and just focus on the Engineers it would be that much better. I really don't see ANY need for the Predators to be involved with the Engineers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 10, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
I've said it before somewhere but whilst I do like the further empowerment that going this direction would give the Predators hunting their own creators, I don't want to see every sentient being in the universe become some sort of Engineer creation. Let's have some unique ones.
A good point and I agree. After all, the engineers 'creating us' by melting themselves on an Earth-like planet (or early Earth) is, biologically speaking, kind of a moot point anyway. All they really did was 'seed' the planet with self-replicating cells, but logically these cells would have to start the entire evolutionary cycle all over again. It's not like they deconstructed themselves to jump-start little humans.
I mean one of the major things evolutionary biology has yet to nail down is the jump from organic molecules to self-replicating cells, and there are several good theories out there, so the Engineer doing that felt almost pointless, like they could've just dumped a dead body down there, and the bacteria would've been enough to begin colonizing the planet with life.
There are ideas in the scientific community about doing this already - seeding a planet with future life by sending a tiny portion of cells that would, in theory, evolve. NASA and other space programs actually take great care to make sure things going to space are sterile so that we don't spread our circus of microbes all over the solar system inadvertently.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 10, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 10, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
It would be kind of fun if they discovered that the Predators were also somehow derived or made by the Engineers, like an experimental race that ended up hyper-aggressive and unbalanced.
I've said it before somewhere but whilst I do like the further empowerment that going this direction would give the Predators hunting their own creators, I don't want to see every sentient being in the universe become some sort of Engineer creation. Let's have some unique ones.
I agree.
I used to think that Predators should be their own thing, that evolved through convergent evolution and happen to look similar to us.
But, even if they are created by the Engineers, it makes them extra badass for "hunting their Gods" rather than worshipping them like other races.
I think that answer is best left up to interpretations. Some people can go and say Engineers made us because of how similar they are right down to having five fingers on their hands literally, while others can go and think of them as their own thing.
Awesome, we finally have confirmation that Abnett is writing the whole event!
That cover is suitably great. Now we know what the something is that wakes up in the leaked pages from a few weeks back. ;D I agree, the cover has me wondering if this meeting will be more peaceful than previous encounters with the Engineers. Maybe they're revisiting the idea from the original drafts of FaS where the crew was supposed to be meeting the Engineers as Weyland's press crew?
Now if they just do something cool with the living mountain, this will be an awesome sequel.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 10, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
It would be kind of fun if they discovered that the Predators were also somehow derived or made by the Engineers, like an experimental race that ended up hyper-aggressive and unbalanced.
I wouldn't want this. I think that Predators should be their own evolutionary race that has nothing to do with the Engineers.
Just a thought about the seemingly peaceful Engineer on the cover...
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Randy has said that this "intersects" with FaS in ways that are important to the characters from that crossover. For all we know, LaD might happen before, and explain what the Engineer is doing on the planet. The Engineer did have two humans on it's operating table in Prometheus #4 which were never really explained...
Probably not, though. This most likely happens after FaS.
Love the cover, I need to pick up the FaS series soon.
I like how Dark Horse ties the newer, canon comics together.
Does anyone know if this book can be enjoyed independently of the Predator title? I prefer my Alien/Prometheus universe to be Predator-free.
We wont really know until it comes out. But if it's following the same path as Fire and Stone there will be a lot of overlap.
If it's the same as F&S, then I guess I should be good. I was able to enjoy the Prometheus and Aliens books, and ignore the Predator and AvP completely, without feeling like I was missing something.
To be fair, with F&S Aliens was largely standalone and Prometheus was the first part so it kicked off the story. We don't really know specifically how L&D will be structured.
Can't wait, I ordered Prometheus: The complete FaS, should be here tomorrow. It will be perfect to get me primed for LaD. ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2016, 03:29:29 PMTo be fair, with F&S though Aliens was largely standalone and Prometheus was the first part so it kicked off the story. We don;t really know specifically how L&D will be structured.
If they're coming out further apart, as seems to be the case given that
Prometheus has only just been mentioned and the others haven't even been officially announced yet, I'd hazard a guess that they'll be less intricately entwined than
Fire and Stone.
Yeah, they're keeping a tighter lid this time around, though based on that two-page "leak" of
Prometheus #1 lettering, I think some characters (like Roth) will cross over between series. The Marines of the
Prometheus #1 cover are probably survivors of
Predator: LaD, but we can't really know. Don't forget it's also going to somehow "intersect" with
Fire and Stone, though Randy hasn't elaborated beyond that.
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I'm already looking forward to the hardcover collection that comes of this, even though I'm getting all the issues as they come out. :D
The trade paperback of
Prometheus: Life and Death is now available for pre-order on Amazon, with a release date of
January 24, 2017. The most interesting thing is the summary, which is slightly new. Beware of spoilers of you want to go in blind:
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QuoteColonial Marines have taken possession of an "abandoned" alien spacecraft-only to discover its owner is still onboard! Instead of heading to Earth as expected, the humans end up on LV-223 (the planet where the events in the film Prometheus took place). There they must contend with hostile alien life forms, as well as the mysterious "Engineers" who are determined to wipe out not just them, but possibly all of humanity!
This is the second chapter in the Life and Death story cycle-the follow-up to 2015's epic Fire and Stone crossover event. Before this tale is complete, the story lines of Predator, Prometheus, Aliens, and Aliens vs. Predator will all converge!
I really really hope they don't go the route of the Engineers creating the Preds, that would honestly really annoy me greatly.
I assume we're also getting a crazy huge "complete" hardcover for L&D, too?
Quote from: XenoZipper on May 05, 2016, 02:39:24 PM
I really really hope they don't go the route of the Engineers creating the Preds, that would honestly really annoy me greatly.
I don't think they will. Whilst we don't know the level of interaction between Dark Horse and Ridders, I think that's probably one of the things Scott wouldn't be keen on.
On a personal level, I'm in two minds. I dislike the idea of all life in the universe being a creation of the Engineers but I also love the notion of the Predators hunting down their literal Gods.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 05, 2016, 02:43:08 PM
I assume we're also getting a crazy huge "complete" hardcover for L&D, too?
I hope so.
Yea I do see your point there Hicks, the idea of Predators hunting their creators IS pretty damn good. I just think my brain is far too against the idea of the Engineers creating everything to even accept that idea beyond just a concept idea. I'm honestly not too keen on the Aliens being created but it's easier to accept than Preds.
I'm also looking forward to the inevitable
Complete Life and Death hardcover with 80 pages of behind-the-scenes material like they did with
Fire and Stone. ;D
It's interesting that that summary
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makes no mention of the survivors on LV-223. Maybe they show up later?
I'm digging the ad on the back of Predator: Life and Death #3. "Engineering terror." ;D I can't wait for this series. Hopefully we get a preview in the next few weeks.
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YES! It's gonna involve Predators again?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 10, 2016, 03:32:08 PM
YES! It's gonna involve Predators again?
Maybe not this particular series, but there's an
AvP: Life and Death coming eventually. I think
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the Preds from Tartarus follow our heroes to LV-223 after they escape.
I have my fingers crossed that Ahab makes a return!
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 10, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 10, 2016, 03:32:08 PM
YES! It's gonna involve Predators again?
Maybe not this particular series, but there's an AvP: Life and Death coming eventually. I think Spoiler
the Preds from Tartarus follow our heroes to LV-223 after they escape.
I have my fingers crossed that Ahab makes a return!
Well I hope youre right, I wanna see the Lv223 past F&S and what happened to the survivors
It has been said that this particular Juggernaut is heading back to LV223.
"The Engineer's ship finally makes planetfall, and the Colonial Marine stowaways find themselves on a world even more deadly than the one they left behind! The Life and Death story cycle becomes the sequel to Fire and Stone as the characters end up on LV-223—the planet of Prometheus!"
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/14/comics-update-aliens-defiance-4-prometheus-life-death-2/
It's likely we'll find out the fates of the characters from F&S. How far ahead of F&S is this one? A few years?
I love that Engineering Terror tagline. I bet whoever came up with that one is as pleased with himself as I was for my Engineering Prometheus title. :laugh:
F&S was 2219; L&D is 2220.
I think it's a safe bet that we'll be seeing Galgo and the gang then.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
I think it's a safe bet that we'll be seeing Galgo and the gang then.
Nice!
https://bigcomicpage.com/2016/05/13/advance-review-prometheus-life-and-death-1-dark-horse-comics/
Big Comic Page enjoyed the first issue. 4/5. I know Hulking Reviewer has their review incoming too.
Nice to see it being well received! Outright Geekery has a review up, too, but it's negative.
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/ (http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/)
I want to see some interiors! Andrea Mutti hasn't shared much on Twitter, and what he has wasn't colored.
Doesn't really seem to say why he scored it so low. Only that it could all end up being retconned by future movies? :-\
Yeah, I'm not too convinced by that review.
Someone got burned by Alien 3. :laugh:
Not so sure why a lot are so worried about movies or stories being retconned. I still think that whatever YOU personally take as canon is how it works for this universe. Even with Disney saying most of the Star Wars novels n such are no longer canon, I really don't care, it all still is to me because I've been taking it that way all these years. I'm not changing my mind now just because there's a new owner of the franchise. So even IF the later Alien movies get retconned at some point, it ain't going to matter a lick to me, they will ALWAYS be part of the canon to me. If anything, I take the newer movies as just "What If's" Do I want to take Prometheus as canon? No not really, but I take bits & pieces from it to make my own. I absolutely hate that the Engineers are just humanoid looking beings & what I originally thought was their real head turns out to just be a helmet they wear but it's whatever to me at the same time. If I want, I can still take the comic versions as canon too I suppose. Anyway, that being said, I'm still looking forward to checking this out, whether it retcons things or not.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 13, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Nice to see it being well received! Outright Geekery has a review up, too, but it's negative.
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/ (http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/)
I want to see some interiors! Andrea Mutti hasn't shared much on Twitter, and what he has wasn't colored.
Was it written by Dan Abnett, Abenett, or Adenett?
I never know how you can review one part of a four part story. It's like writing a review of a movie after walking out after half an hour.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 13, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Nice to see it being well received! Outright Geekery has a review up, too, but it's negative.
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/ (http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/)
.....I'm a reviewer at OutrightGeekery..
I can't wait for this series, Dorman's variant is crazy awesome as well.
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 13, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Nice to see it being well received! Outright Geekery has a review up, too, but it's negative.
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/ (http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/)
I want to see some interiors! Andrea Mutti hasn't shared much on Twitter, and what he has wasn't colored.
Was it written by Dan Abnett, Abenett, or Adenett?
I never know how you can review one part of a four part story. It's like writing a review of a movie after walking out after half an hour.
I'm on the same page as you. I attempted it back with the 09/10 reboot attempt and it was just horrid. I couldn't get on with it so I've not bothered since.
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 13, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Nice to see it being well received! Outright Geekery has a review up, too, but it's negative.
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/ (http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2016/05/13/review-prometheus-life-and-death-1/)
I want to see some interiors! Andrea Mutti hasn't shared much on Twitter, and what he has wasn't colored.
Was it written by Dan Abnett, Abenett, or Adenett?
I never know how you can review one part of a four part story. It's like writing a review of a movie after walking out after half an hour.
It's because it's episodic content, a staple of the medium for nearly a century. Reviewers review issues individually because they're released individually, just like television episodes. Some comic creators release their stories as one big collected volume or graphic novel all in one shot, but the vast majority of comics are released piecemeal, one issue at a time. Your analogy would be more apt if we were talking about a movie studio willingly choosing to only screen the first half hour of their movie, and then saying "Come back in four weeks for the next half hour!!"
Good comics will hook the reader and get them to want to buy the next issue to see where the story goes next. They're at the mercy of keeping readers in for the long haul by introducing story hooks that get them wanting to drop their cash for the next issue.
The flip side is that good comic book
reviewers will recognize the conventions (and limitations) of the medium, and will review individual issues both from the mindset of "is this individual issue good/entertaining/whatever on its own?" as well as "does this issue make me eager to buy the next issue, since I recognize that this is part of a larger story?"
CBR has our first preview of issue #1! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/prometheus-life-and-death-1-dark-horse-comics-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/prometheus-life-and-death-1-dark-horse-comics-2016)
Ill def get it. Fire and Stone was (most of it) so great I couldnt wait to see its continuation. Im glad we're finally gonna get it
I'm liking the art style so far. I have to wonder
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does Paget die? We don't see her. Also, looks like a Predator was stowed aboard and killed one of the Marines before they took it down. I guess we know some of what happens in Predator #4 now.
Not sure if they're trying to confuse things by having those pages out of order.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 14, 2016, 10:10:16 PM
I'm liking the art style so far. I have to wonder Spoiler
does Paget die? We don't see her. Also, looks like a Predator was stowed aboard and killed one of the Marines before they took it down. I guess we know some of what happens in Predator #4 now.
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She's probably on the other ship.
Not a massive fan of the interior art based off that preview. :-\
One weird thing about the art is that
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the Engineer's crotch looks like a chair suit helmet. I can't stop seeing it! :laugh:
And now I'll never unsee that. Thanks. :laugh:
Yea I'm with you on the interior art as well, not super crazy on it but none of these new titles are really doing it for me art wise. The covers are gorgeous for sure but the interior art I keep wishing was just black & white instead especially when I see those black & white previews for Predator. I like them so much more than when I see the finalized color version. The stories are fine so far though so that's a plus at least haha
I can dig the art, not as good as in the predator series maybe but kinda has a cool style.
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Pretty sweet hulk clap on that guys noggin too lol
Comics Asylum has a review of #1 out. It's positive, but beware that it does basically summarize the whole issue.
http://www.comixasylum.com/reviews/comic-book-reviews/prometheus-life-death-1-review/ (http://www.comixasylum.com/reviews/comic-book-reviews/prometheus-life-death-1-review/)
Fortress of Solitude has a review of #1 up. It's positive, but beware of spoilers.
http://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/os_book/prometheus-life-death-1-comic-book-review/ (http://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/os_book/prometheus-life-death-1-comic-book-review/)
Also, I just noticed that the final version of the Dorman cover is up on DH's site. The text confirms that
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Singer is a sythetic, which I guess hasn't really been hidden very much anyway. I absolutely can't wait to get my hands on this version!
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yeah that is one fantastic cover, amazing imo.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 19, 2016, 05:51:55 PM
Also, I just noticed that the final version of the Dorman cover is up on DH's site. The text confirms that Spoiler
Singer is a sythetic, which I guess hasn't really been hidden very much anyway.
I was going to say that I didn't think that was being hidden. :laugh: That is one flipping gorgeous cover though. I really hope my local manages to snag me one of those.
No, that was never intended to be hidden.
Another review is up, and it's average (3.5/5). What's interesting is that it has a nice new snippet of interior art. Beware of spoilers.
https://www.confreaksandgeeks.com/prometheus-life-death-1/ (https://www.confreaksandgeeks.com/prometheus-life-death-1/)
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As much as I adore the Derelict design (and to a lesser degree, the Juggernaut), I kinda wish the comic artists would stretch their creative muscles a little bit and design other Engineer ships (like what we got in 'Aliens: Apocalypse' back in the day). I mean unless they're forbidden from doing that, I guess.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 23, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
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As much as I adore the Derelict design (and to a lesser degree, the Juggernaut), I kinda wish the comic artists would stretch their creative muscles a little bit and design other Engineer ships (like what we got in 'Aliens: Apocalypse' back in the day). I mean unless they're forbidden from doing that, I guess.
That's an interesting point actually. They played with some other designs whilst working on Prometheus that could be interesting to see.
Previews World has an interview with Abnett about the Prometheus series. It doesn't have much in the way of spoilers, but it's interesting to note how strongly they're contrasting it with the writers room approach to Fire and Stone, which doesn't get mentioned by name.
http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=179515 (http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=179515)
QuoteRandy Stradley mapped out what he saw as a great structure of the saga, and I've run with his blueprint. It's been a real luxury to be given the chance to write the whole thing — all the chapters of the saga, rather than have to play 'relay race' and go back and forth with other teams. It's given me real overview on the meta story, and allowed me to build the characters chapter-by-chapter.
I never thought it was a bad way for them to do the last one. My issues weren't really with any of that.
We the Nerdy liked issue #1 (8.5/10). Beware of some minor spoilers.
http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-life-and-death-1-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-life-and-death-1-review/)
I just read #1 on digital, and enjoyed it quite a bit. It had to catch people up and introduce the story, but it got me excited for what comes next.
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I actually liked the art in most places. The slightly cartoony characters remind me of some of the art from Aliens: Havoc, but it works. I don't know how I feel about Mutti's take on the interiors of the Engineer ship, though. It may be an issue with the colors, which I did find a tad bit too bright for the material. I can't wait to see how he handles LV-223 and its creatures.
It was good to see behind-the-scenes stuff make a return. The sketches of the xenos and Predators seems to confirm that Ahab will still be alive, or at least that the ones from Tartarus will be following our heroes there.
Also, the tease for the next issue was pretty cool, even knowing what happens: A Planet of Fire and Stone. ;D
Anyone else read #1 yet? Interesting to see that
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the Engineers have some sort of personal force field.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 11, 2016, 12:45:05 PM
Anyone else read #1 yet? Interesting to see that Spoiler
the Engineers have some sort of personal force field.
Ultramorph, everytime you post something, I get super excited because I know it is gonna be some news/story spoiler. XD
And this is no exception. I cannot wait to begin reading these when I get around to buying them.
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What is this new technology like?
We only see it in one scene, but basically
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one of the Marines empties his clip at the Engineer at fairly close range, but it has a personal shielding field, so it doesn't get hit once.
They also included some of Mutti's sketches in the back of xenos and Predators, so I'm really excited for what happens when they get to LV-223. This Engineer seems even more formidable than the one Ahab and Galgo took down.
I wonder if we'll see Elden make a return?
My copy won't be here until Wednesday sadly, can't wait though.
I got the one with the sweet dorman cover 8)
Got my physical copy in the mail today! That Dorman cover is a thing of beauty.
My local didn't get any in. :( Only got the standard cover.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 14, 2016, 03:08:49 PM
My local didn't get any in. :( Only got the standard cover.
Don't know if you're going to get the tpbs but maybe they'll include it in one of them. Its a must have Dorman cover lol
I'll be waiting for another big badass hardback cover, I reckon.
i'll be getting the hardcover if it comes out as well.
I gotta decide if I want to keep the individual issues or give them away... if they do end up releasing a giant hardcover that is.
One thing I've noticed since I've been buying both the physical and digital versions is that the art always looks better in the physical copy. It's not actually different, it just looks nicer being able to look at two pages at a time.
Prometheus 2-3-4 Covers and release dates, love the number 2 cover below, it looks awesome.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/%22PROMETHEUS%3A+LIFE+AND+DEATH%22/PpwNwkt8 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Browse/%22PROMETHEUS%3A+LIFE+AND+DEATH%22/PpwNwkt8)
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Awesome cover art.
Just finished reading #1. Was alright. I enjoyed it more than the Predator series but not by much more. The look of the Space Jokey (I refuse to use the Engineer name) & it being treated as a "God" bothers me a lot but I don't fault the comic at all for that, I put that blame soley on the movie Prometheus for making them that way & adding the whole god complex to it all which I hate immensely. I much preferred how they were handled in the earlier Dark Horse days being a lot more alien in nature but that's me. Interested to see where the series goes. Maybe the Jokey is heading back to a home planet or another outpost.
Wasn't there a comic in the early 90's that showed the space jockey wearing a helmet or did I dream it?
I think it was possibly Book 1 or 2, but one of the early comics actually had them be telepathic, the "helmet" from the movies WAS their actual face with that long trunk nose coming from it n such. It interacts with Newt if I remember correctly & talks to her telepathically or something along those lines. I just liked they were treated more like an actual alien we know nothing about. I'm not a fan of them looking like us, killed the mystery for me.
Yeah it was Book 1.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 29, 2016, 02:49:54 PM
I think it was possibly Book 1 or 2, but one of the early comics actually had them be telepathic, the "helmet" from the movies WAS their actual face with that long trunk nose coming from it n such. It interacts with Newt if I remember correctly & talks to her telepathically or something along those lines. I just liked they were treated more like an actual alien we know nothing about. I'm not a fan of them looking like us, killed the mystery for me.
Well at least they don't speak in English or are friendly. They also come with that eerie music, love bashing humans, love to pile up dead corpses and mass produce creepy tombs and urns. I like the bastards.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 30, 2016, 01:31:54 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 29, 2016, 02:49:54 PM
I think it was possibly Book 1 or 2, but one of the early comics actually had them be telepathic, the "helmet" from the movies WAS their actual face with that long trunk nose coming from it n such. It interacts with Newt if I remember correctly & talks to her telepathically or something along those lines. I just liked they were treated more like an actual alien we know nothing about. I'm not a fan of them looking like us, killed the mystery for me.
Well at least they don't speak in English or are friendly. They also come with that eerie music, love bashing humans, love to pile up dead corpses and mass produce creepy tombs and urns. I like the bastards.
That's totally cool man, whatever works for ya. I'm not super crazy on these newer comics like everyone else but at the same time, I'm happy the franchise still has life because of the rest of you that are really liking it & keeping things alive.
I liked Prometheus #1, but I always liked the engineers themselves even in Prometheus. They don't compare to the amazing original space jockey concept but they are still mysterious and really interesting for me.
I like the horror vibe I'm getting from this issue even if the art is a bit lacking.
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #2 up! It's pretty spoilerific:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-813?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-813?page=0)
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We see some Fire and Stone survivors, right off the bat! We don't see their faces, but I think it's Galgo and Angela. If Ahab shows up on this issue, it would be great. Also, good to see an Engineer with its helmet on.
Definitely
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Galgo. The other must be one of the couple - their names escape me at the minute. I really can't wait to see Ahab show up.
Interesting...
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I didn't think they would get to lv223 so fast. I was hoping for some more time trapped with the engineer.
Don't forget
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they're going to be trapped on LV-223 for a while. We don't know how long it takes for Paget and company to get to 223.
On a related note, I wonder why the Marines didn't just try to steal the ship the second the Engineer got off, unless it overrode the controls or something.
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On a related note, I wonder why the Marines didn't just try to steal the ship the second the Engineer got off, unless it overrode the controls or something.
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How would they even know how to operate it?
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The Seegson guys had rigged up the controls and Singer took it off in Predator #4.
Fair enough, what I get for not actually having read these :)
Can't wait to read this all together in a nice hard cover like the one they did for F&S.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
Fair enough, what I get for not actually having read these :)
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One last thing
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Galgo says "not that direction," I bet the Marines are running toward the jungle or the living mountain.
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Here we go again with Galgo the wanker and Angela...hope they don't spend half the comic arguing.
Edited for spoiler tag.
Would Ahab show up in Prometheus?
They might save him for AvP
Brutal Gamer has a review of issue #2, and its positive. Beware of spoilers if you want to go in totally blind:
http://brutalgamer.com/2016/07/02/life-death-prometheus-2-comic-review/ (http://brutalgamer.com/2016/07/02/life-death-prometheus-2-comic-review/)
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I wonder what this twist is at the end?
Impulse Gamer has a positive review of issue #2, as well as some new pages we haven't seen yet. Beware of spoilers:
http://www.impulsegamer.com/prometheus-life-and-death-2-on-a-world-of-fire-and-stone-comic-book-review/ (http://www.impulsegamer.com/prometheus-life-and-death-2-on-a-world-of-fire-and-stone-comic-book-review/)
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QuoteThe final moment of the comic reveals yet another familiar character but one we perhaps wouldn't be expecting in this run.
Has to be Ahab! ;D
Fanbase Press has a fairly positive review. Beware of spoilers:
http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/press/reviews/item/6665-prometheus-life-and-death-2-advance-comic-book-review (http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/press/reviews/item/6665-prometheus-life-and-death-2-advance-comic-book-review)
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I'm really starting to get excited for these twists.
Glad to hear it's going down well.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 11, 2016, 12:16:14 PM
Impulse Gamer has a positive review of issue #2, as well as some new pages we haven't seen yet. Beware of spoilers:
http://www.impulsegamer.com/prometheus-life-and-death-2-on-a-world-of-fire-and-stone-comic-book-review/ (http://www.impulsegamer.com/prometheus-life-and-death-2-on-a-world-of-fire-and-stone-comic-book-review/)
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QuoteThe final moment of the comic reveals yet another familiar character but one we perhaps wouldn't be expecting in this run.
Has to be Ahab! ;D
Fanbase Press has a fairly positive review. Beware of spoilers:
http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/press/reviews/item/6665-prometheus-life-and-death-2-advance-comic-book-review (http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/press/reviews/item/6665-prometheus-life-and-death-2-advance-comic-book-review)
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I'm really starting to get excited for these twists.
I love the technological progress.
Look at how small and thin the motion tracker is compared to the one in Aliens. It mirrors how real life laptops and phones are getting smaller and thinner.
I hadn't even noticed that, good catch. I guess I was distracted by the fact that
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all of our Marines are so manly they've grown full beards in 6 days. :laugh:
Stress makes beards grow faster. Everyone knows that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2016, 08:02:57 PM
Stress makes beards grow faster. Everyone knows that.
So
that's why my beard grows so damn fast!
Comic Trash has yet another positive review, but it is massively spoilery, so beware:
http://comictrash.com/contemporary-comic-books-prometheus-life-and-death-2/#Prometheus%23Life_And_Death%23Aliens_Versus_Predator (http://comictrash.com/contemporary-comic-books-prometheus-life-and-death-2/#Prometheus%23Life_And_Death%23Aliens_Versus_Predator)
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So it looks like we have a new breed of xenomorphs! Also, we were right, the big surprise is Ahab. I can't wait to pick this up on digital tomorrow.
Big Comic Page has a positive review, as well, with fewer spoilers:
https://bigcomicpage.com/2016/07/12/review-prometheus-life-and-death-2-dark-horse-comics/ (https://bigcomicpage.com/2016/07/12/review-prometheus-life-and-death-2-dark-horse-comics/)
Just read the issue, and it was quite good! The story is definitely kicking into gear now.
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The xenos appear to be fully grown versions of the weird monkey xenos that were protecting the queen in Prometheus: Omega, and I like the design, even if xenos with eyes are pretty unusual. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Abnett has in store for them.
Good to see Ahab on the last page! The Marines' reaction to him is bound to set up some interesting conflict later on. On that note, I can't wait to see how Ahab responds when the Tartarus Preds show up to get revenge on the humans. Lots of toys in this toy box!
Also, confirmed that the goo is artificially constructed, and that the Engineers had "origin myth" pictograms on the walls of its ship.
A few pics, sorry for the poor quality. Beware of spoilers:
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 13, 2016, 04:52:39 PM
Just read the issue, and it was quite good! The story is definitely kicking into gear now.
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The xenos appear to be fully grown versions of the weird monkey xenos that were protecting the queen in Prometheus: Omega, and I like the design, even if xenos with eyes are pretty unusual. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Abnett has in store for them.
Good to see Ahab on the last page! The Marines' reaction to him is bound to set up some interesting conflict later on. On that note, I can't wait to see how Ahab responds when the Tartarus Preds show up to get revenge on the humans. Lots of toys in this toy box!
Also, confirmed that the goo is artificially constructed, and that the Engineers had "origin myth" pictograms on the walls of its ship.
I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts. ;D
So what are
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these "origin myth" pictograms? Can you describe them for me, please? And what does it say about the Black Goo? Did one of the characters find out about the artificial construction?
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We don't actually see the inside of the ship, we just get the following comment:
QuoteThey spoke of origin myths, of seeding worlds, of bringing life. Maybe our space god is just another creation like us. Or maybe he's a creator.
As far as the goo, Singer scans it and determines that it was artificially made, but can't go much further without a proper lab to test it in.
Also curious about what
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Galgo and company have been eating this last year. The Marines scan the wildlife and determine that it's all wildy toxic because of the goo. Maybe trace exposure to it will become a plot thread.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 13, 2016, 05:11:58 PM
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We don't actually see the inside of the ship, we just get the following comment:
QuoteThey spoke of origin myths, of seeding worlds, of bringing life. Maybe our space god is just another creation like us. Or maybe he's a creator.
As far as the goo, Singer scans it and determines that it was artificially made, but can't go much further without a proper lab to test it in.
Also curious about what Spoiler
Galgo and company have been eating this last year. The Marines scan the wildlife and determine that it's all wildy toxic because of the goo. Maybe trace exposure to it will become a plot thread.
Thanks Ultramorph.
I wonder what
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Ahab ate. Because maybe the humans had supplies, or even found a place to farm or something. We're omnivores, I don't think Predators are when you consider their dentistry.
Also how Ahab and the humans interacted over the year. This looks so interesting. I can't wait to see how this series unfolds.
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You know what - I hadn't even considered about the Marine's reaction to
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Ahab. Obviously, he's on more of a chummy relationship with the characters from Fire and Stone and the Marines have literally just come from straight up conflict with other Predators...I do hope that is explored.
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I think there will be a short fight that Angela and Galgo have to break up. I'm really curious to see where Ahab's loyalty will fall once more Predators start showing up. I doubt they're from the same clan, but who knows if species loyalty will wind up trumping his attachment to Galgo.
I listened to that interview with Abnett a second time the other day, and between that and this issue, I'm really looking forward to what he has in store for the xenos. With this and
Defiance, some neat new ground is being broken, even if more traditional Big Chap aliens are being held for the movies.
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The aliens in this are definitely adult versions of the ones from Omega:
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I wonder what a queen will look like?
I like the idea that the jungle and all the wildlife are diseased. Hopefully we get to see some more stuff like the horror monkeys from F&S.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 13, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
I listened to that interview with Abnett a second time the other day, and between that and this issue, I'm really looking forward to what he has in store for the xenos. With this and Defiance, some neat new ground is being broken, even if more traditional Big Chap aliens are being held for the movies.
Can you relink me to that interview? I don't think I ever got around to listening to it.
Here you go!
http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/ (http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/)
Thank you kindly.
QuoteI like the idea that the jungle and all the wildlife are diseased. Hopefully we get to see some more stuff like the horror monkeys from F&S.
Were the monkeys originally a different creature that got facehugged?
No they, and other flora and fauna, had evolved on their own before the Hadley refugees arrived.
Just read issue 2. Have to wait 2 weeks for number 1..I like it but damn it feels so short..6 bucks for a 15 min read lol.. . Spoiler.. I like the way they make the humans shit their pants when they see an engineer..not a fan of the eyes on those xenos..good read but too damn short. Predator makes it less mysterious too.
Contemplating re-reading all of Fire and Stone (as I got the huge Omnibus on sale). I've forgotten so much about this story already and feel I need to re-educate myself.
I bought all the single issues originally but reading them as they were published was a wee bit confusing. The Omnibus might correct that.
Looking forward to reading issue 2 of Prometheus LAD when I get home tonight.
I've been thumbing through the F&S hardcover myself the last few days, I also want to do a full re-read in light of what's happening in the new comics.
Quote from: Prez on Jul 14, 2016, 03:14:08 AM
Contemplating re-reading all of Fire and Stone (as I got the huge Omnibus on sale). I've forgotten so much about this story already and feel I need to re-educate myself.
I bought all the single issues originally but reading them as they were published was a wee bit confusing. The Omnibus might correct that.
Looking forward to reading issue 2 of Prometheus LAD when I get home tonight.
Make sure you read Alien Fire And Stone first than Prometheus.
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Quote from: Prez on Jul 14, 2016, 03:14:08 AM
Contemplating re-reading all of Fire and Stone (as I got the huge Omnibus on sale). I've forgotten so much about this story already and feel I need to re-educate myself.
I bought all the single issues originally but reading them as they were published was a wee bit confusing. The Omnibus might correct that.
Looking forward to reading issue 2 of Prometheus LAD when I get home tonight.
Make sure you read Alien Fire And Stone first than Prometheus.
I feel like Dory in Nemo... and ... Hi there. What's a Fire and Stone?
;-)
A fire set on fire. I mean a stone. A stone...set on fire !
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 13, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
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I think there will be a short fight that Angela and Galgo have to break up. I'm really curious to see where Ahab's loyalty will fall once more Predators start showing up. I doubt they're from the same clan, but who knows if species loyalty will wind up trumping his attachment to Galgo.
I listened to that interview with Abnett a second time the other day, and between that and this issue, I'm really looking forward to what he has in store for the xenos. With this and Defiance, some neat new ground is being broken, even if more traditional Big Chap aliens are being held for the movies.
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The aliens in this are definitely adult versions of the ones from Omega:
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I wonder what a queen will look like?
I like the idea that the jungle and all the wildlife are diseased. Hopefully we get to see some more stuff like the horror monkeys from F&S.
Except these drawn in #2 look ridiculous.
I found the dialogue kind of plain vanilla and the aliens running out of the forest surrounding Marines has been done maybe 10 times since Fire & Stone. Loved how issue 2 starts off, first 3-5 pages with those guys spying on the engineer has great dialogue and feel to it. Afterwards, storys needed a bit more imagination & creativity. They could have showed where that cool looking engineer in the beginning of the story went instead of Galgo again and again...
Some wild speculation on my part...
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Angela says the xenos are looking for "viables." Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but it sort of raises the question of whether there are life forms the xenos consider unviable. Abnett say he has a twist for the Aliens side of things. Wouldn't it be cool if they paid homage to Labyrinth and had a hive of diseased, mutated xenos trying to find viable hosts to reverse the damage being done by the goo? I'm not saying that's what happens, but it would be be cool.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 14, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Some wild speculation on my part...
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Angela says the xenos are looking for "viables." Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but it sort of raises the question of whether there are life forms the xenos consider unviable. Abnett say he has a twist for the Aliens side of things. Wouldn't it be cool if they paid homage to Labyrinth and had a hive of diseased, mutated xenos trying to find viable hosts to reverse the damage being done by the goo? I'm not saying that's what happens, but it would be be cool.
I think that Sea of Sorrows mentions something like this.
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The Aliens seek out hosts with viable DNA to drag to the hive and impregnate, they kill off the rest.
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Viables = viable hosts
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Don't recall that in SoS. The Aliens linked Decker to Ripley via DNA in his blood, when he had the accident and blood seeped through the ground into the Aliens hive tubes.
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I recall that it was mentioned that Aliens seek out "the strong" hosts and kill the weak. I might be wrong since it's been years since I read Sea of Sorrows.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 13, 2016, 06:10:30 PM
Here you go!
http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/ (http://thegww.com/interview-with-dan-abnett-dark-horses-life-and-death-xenoverse-event/)
Finished listening to this on the way to work. Love Abnett. He's such fun to listen to. Really need to try and get him on our podcast when the series finishes. Really curious to see where the Aliens series goes. He sounds like he gets it - no cannon fodder.
Yeah, you can tell he gets the problems the xenos have had in other crossovers. It's also cool because you can tell he really liked Fire and Stone, which shows in this last issue.
On a slightly related note, it looks like Paul Davidson is maybe doing an AvP variant cover or maybe the art for AvP: L&D.
https://twitter.com/PaulDavidsonArt/status/753961191484063744 (https://twitter.com/PaulDavidsonArt/status/753961191484063744)
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That art looks great, hope hes doing the interior for AvP L&D
I feel like I've seen that image before, maybe a wider shot of it.
Finally read issue 2 of Prometheus LAD.
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Interesting that the Xeno's were slightly different to our usual friends. Note the almost queen like crown at the end of their head & are those eyes too? Did I miss something in Fire and Stone about these guys or are we to assume they are just a genetic variation spawned from local fauna?
Are the ones with the eyes the grown up versions of the monkey xenos in Fire And Stone?
Personally, I'd rather see more of that awesome drawn engineer in the beginning. Btw, wish every engineer would walk around with that space jockey helmet.
I am getting really tired of different looking xenos and jungle fights, would rather see something original and spooky with smarter, a bit longer dialogue. Cmon who here finds the dialogue in the 2nd half of issue 2 intriguing..
Reminded me of those old Batman tv shows from the 60's...Boom! Bam! Go! Bang! Shoot! Duck! Stop! Fire! Got one! Got me! Help! F**k! Shit! Run!
Can't say I'm extremely impresses by Abnett's story-telling so far
Predator L&D: marines and predators in a jungle...walking around...stereotypical marine banter...some so-so action.
Prometheus L&D: seems to be getting a bit more interesting
Would you say Predator fire and stone was better than Predator life and death? Which has more engineer scenes?
Concerning Abnett, after listening to his interview on life and death, I'm surprised for someone who seemed to never stop talking would write such short plain sentances..He really seems into the Aliens world but hasn't show me anything intetesting or promising so far except for the first 5 pages in Prometheus lfad issue 2.
Predator F&S had the benefit of really strong art and a very cool and badass flashback sequence IMO.
Importantly, Predator F&S had an actual, memorable Predator character and a fairly interesting human character/side-kick. That said, it did involve a lot of strolling in the jungle as well.
Predator L&D was very, very generic...and the Predators were under-used.
They just pop up to spam plasma, charge in like maniacs...then get mowed down at pointblank (or take a nade to the chest). I got no sense that the Predators were smart hunters.
The marines came off as blustering, stereotypical, dumb grunts as well.
The art was serviceable but not great.
After what you wrote..which is exactly what I was thinking and I'm sure others.. I don't think this writer should be writing for this franchise. Definitely need someone with high iq or someone who can write creative stories with some imagination.
This is Anderson-Strause territory so far. Let's see what happens...
Guy has a bibliography going back nearly 30 years, but is somehow lacking in IQ and creativity... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abnett_bibliography)
Quote from: SM on Jul 17, 2016, 11:50:08 AM
Guy has a bibliography going back nearly 30 years, but is somehow lacking in IQ and creativity... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abnett_bibliography)
I thought the same thing lol
I'm enjoying the l&d event myself, but I liked fire and stone for the most part as well too.
Quote from: SM on Jul 17, 2016, 11:50:08 AM
Guy has a bibliography going back nearly 30 years, but is somehow lacking in IQ and creativity... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abnett_bibliography)
I wasn't talking about him lol. I was talking about the story after the first five pages of issue 2. Don't you find it kind of short? Tiniest phrases I've ever seen. As if it was written by someone falling asleep at 3 in the morning. I will read it again maybe I've missed something or read it too late at night.
I'm not sure I understand the criticism. They're Marines in a combat situation, I wouldn't expect them to be wordy. Besides, Singer and Melville got pretty chatty in Prometheus #2.
I like Abnett's work for other IPs...his 40K stuff is generally good
His AvP debut is really lacklustre
Technically he already wrote Isolation, and the tie-in comic.
QuoteI wasn't talking about him lol.
QuoteI don't think this writer should be writing for this franchise. Definitely need someone with high iq or someone who can write creative stories with some imagination.
Which writer were you talking about if not the one writing the comic that is the subject of this thread?
I was talking about the story being low iq at times. I doubt the author is. But cmon, some more effort can be put in these comics to develop smarter or more interesting stories instead of the usual chase, die and run that's been happening in Fire And Stone & Life And Death.
I think the problem could also be that I'm comparing every comic, every movie, to Alien & Aliens. Both movies were created by borderline genius perfectionists. I wish more writers were like that.
I'm reading more & more comics lately and thought it was just happening in some elder Aliens comics where the storyline was mediocre, it's actually widespread.
I wonder who the best comic writers are in the business..I'm not looking for masterpieces, just really tired of the usual crap banter and gunfights.
More original stories are needed, something about the way issue 2 started off that had me excited but than to see it develop into another forest gunfight by aliens with eyes and the Galgo character with his wanking (he's worse than me I find)..was dissapointing. Let's see what happens in issues 3-4 and Aliens maybe something great comes out of this.
Alien is about surviving against that which is nigh-on unstoppable.
A lot of non-film stories follow the same formula. This and F&S do as well - but throw in Predators and Engineers on top.
Quote from: SM on Jul 18, 2016, 12:12:22 AM
Alien is about surviving against that which is nigh-on unstoppable.
A lot of non-film stories follow the same formula. This and F&S do as well - but throw in Predators and Engineers on top.
I understand and agree, just wish there was more story building on every page. I think 50% of a comic's or movie's storytelling should be about building up a smart tense story, 25% on character building and banter, 20% on alien scenes, and the other 5% on gun fights...chases, etc. In Alien and Prometheus at least...probably more action needed for avp and predators... Anyhow that was the success of Alien and Aliens...smart tense story and environments first..great character and alien buildup scenes second. followed by carefully inserted action scenes that build more tension and terror.
I'm feeling that in Aliens: Defiance and sometimes in this.
It's a catch 22. You spend time building stuff up, people complain that 'nothing happened in this issue'. You have action sequences, people complain there's 'no building'.
In story terms each series should be looked at as a whole, rather than four single parts of a story (in spite of the medium), then how those stories are used to serve the greater story.
Just read issue 2 again, the dialogue is actually better than I thought, much better especially the first 25 pages. It just felt like a very short story. Please God someone tell me those aren't Aliens with eyes? Some aliens also have really short back end skuls. Some look great others not so much...those eyes..are as bad as mandibles.
The story and overall art is great though..I can see it going places..need to read issue 1, 3, 4.
Human hosts on LV-223 are few and far between, so you're going to get some different variations.
Quote from: SM on Jul 18, 2016, 04:13:26 AM
Human hosts on LV-223 are few and far between, so you're going to get some different variations.
Anything but eyes and mandibles, please call them and tell them SM. No more blue or red either. Must always look like the one in the original Alien. Call the guy SM. 😊😆 Have them pencil the eyes out for the TPB.
I would've enjoyed...
1. Smart Predators who set intelligent traps and exploit psychological warfare and shock a la South China Sea
2. Smart Marines...how about the Marine equivalent of Delta Force with some fancy toys we haven't seen before. Highly professional and experienced at dealing with xenoform hostiles. They could be fewer in number with unique characters. Almost like the CSM version of Dutch's team combined with Jason Bourne-like competence.
What we got was some very forgettable shenanigans in the jungle.
They're investigating claim jumpers, and have never come up against Predators or Aliens before.
Do Predators generally set traps? Wolf kinda did but I can't think of any others off hand. Not sure if luring is the same thing. Mostly they sneak up on people while cloaked or shoot them from long range with energy weapons. Also while cloaked.
By "traps", I meant stealthy ambushes and such...and maybe a few actual trap devices, which do show up in AvP-R and some of the EU.
The Predators in L&D would initiate an attack stealthily...and then inexplicably uncloak before frontally charging marines with smartguns and grenade launchers.
I would have enjoyed more cat-and-mouse and dueling of wits.
Fewer big explosions, more tension. Also, instead of a horde of marine grunts, how about a single unit of USCM elites?
They only charged the armed marines when Roth's squad got the drop on them as they arrived to reinforce Rucker.
The Predator on the Engineer ship was a bit dopey charging in - but he did manage to rip Schrader's head off and spine out before that.
Quote from: SM on Jul 18, 2016, 05:14:08 AM
They're investigating claim jumpers, and have never come up against Predators or Aliens before.
Do Predators generally set traps? Wolf kinda did but I can't think of any others off hand. Not sure if luring is the same thing. Mostly they sneak up on people while cloaked or shoot them from long range with energy weapons. Also while cloaked.
I recall some traps they set in the "Predator: Cold War" comic. One of the characters described it as particularly cruel, it sort of springs out of the ground and encircles the person but I don't remember the exact way of how it killed them as it's been years since I read the comics.
In "Predators" there's a trap the characters had to avoid, but that could've easily been set by Nolan instead of the Predators.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 18, 2016, 03:33:08 PMIn "Predators" there's a trap the characters had to avoid, but that could've easily been set by Nolan instead of the Predators.
I think the implication is they were set by Drake (the dead Navy SEAL they find). Can't remember if the prequel comic backs that up at all.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 18, 2016, 03:33:08 PMIn "Predators" there's a trap the characters had to avoid, but that could've easily been set by Nolan instead of the Predators.
I think the implication is they were set by Drake (the dead Navy SEAL they find). Can't remember if the prequel comic backs that up at all.
Whoever did it should be proud, those were some really good traps. ;D
In Predators there are traps set by Preds. Cuchillo falls in one and Edwin falls in another. But SP shouldn`t be viewed as normal Preds. They are more of poachers then hunters.
Predator Cold War has the equivalent of a massive Predator bear trap
Paul Davidson just posted the complete piece on Twitter, and tagged Dark Horse, so I think we can assume this will be an AvP: Life and Death cover. I like it!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnuXSfmWgAA9V3G.jpg:large)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 19, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
Paul Davidson just posted the complete piece on Twitter, and tagged Dark Horse, so I think we can assume this will be an AvP: Life and Death cover. I like it!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnuXSfmWgAA9V3G.jpg:large)
I really love that weapon on his right hand, it's like our knuckle dusters but with spikes on it.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 19, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
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Remember when people were complaining about Grid's freakishly long tail...ain't got shit on this
Other than that...art looks good, real good
The hand weapon looks like a CQC shuriken
Lol...I was going to say something about the tail earlier...but decided enough complaining about anything AVP...poor Aliens though...sucking ass and treated like roaches in AVP comics since....19XX
On a good note, I really like the elongated back spines? What are those pertruding things stickibg out from the back called? Also like the elongated skull..a few inches longer would be perfect.
The rest of the Alien body is bleh...but the cover artist was probably drawing a specific look I guess..
I just hope the interior art and colouring don't diasppoint
I remeber how disappointed I was by the disparity between Swanland's AvP covers and the interiors
Just read Prometheus number 2!
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I enjoyed it mostly but damn those aliens made me face palm. They look silly and lack detail, not happy with them in this issue.
Story is good though not much engineer time.
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Ahab is goofily drawn as well . . . this artist's Ahab looks nowhere near as cool as Mooneyham's
The Davidson piece is a perspective thing. Look at the Alien's teeny right leg.
Just read #2. I'm not digging on the artwork as much as Predator. Still feels like it's plodding along a little too slowly though. But we do have another 11 issues to go.
Once Alien: Covenant comes out and continues the story of the black goo (I hope they do, at least), will the Fire & Stone and Life & Death comics become sort of non-canon EU?
The comics are written to try and avoid any clashes or contradictions with Covenant.
Quote from: SM on Jul 25, 2016, 12:26:23 AM
The comics are written to try and avoid any clashes or contradictions with Covenant.
Abnett said as much too in an interview (link has been posted elsewhere on this thread). Said he was instructed a few times on some of his ideas so as not to contradict or reveal too early any ideas they are going to unveil in the films.
DH has a preview of issue #3 up! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-814?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-814?page=0)
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It looks like our F&S survivors have built themselves a pretty decent place to live. They even seem to have hot coffee! :laugh: I'm liking the art more and more.
I can't wait to see how the two Engineers play out. This is going to be a battle of the century.
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It looks like our F&S survivors have built themselves a pretty decent place to live.
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I can't be the only one who immediately thoguht, "Ewok camp!" when I saw that :laugh:
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I can't stop seeing that now. :laugh: Ewoks vs Engineers!
On a more serious note, I think the fact that they aren't in Russel's cave anymore indicates that the living mountain won't be getting addressed again.
Looks pretty damn good!
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"No possibility of negotiation with an Engineer"
I like that line ;D
They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. ;D
Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. ;D
Haven't had a chance to read #2 yet. I'm undecided if I'm going to bother continue reading. Not really digging the direction the Universe as a whole is going. Sucks because I love this franchise so much, just not digging what's been happening lately with it. Just my opinion though which I know doesn't go with most. I'll refrain from saying any further on the matter.
Hey Xenozipper, care to elaborate a bit? There's things I don't like but others I do. Do you read Defiance as well? Just picked up Prometheus 1 going to read it now..3 looks great in Preview.
You probably don't like the endless run n kill story?
Would be great if they were written with more smarter content...let's see. Might end up a great one.
Just finished reading Prometheus #2. Thought it to be kinda boring & yes I agree the art kinda sucked & got worse by the end. The last page was drawn horribly for all characters. Yes I've read what's been out so far on Defiance. That as well I'm not digging so much. It's mainly the stories I don't care for. I'm just not super crazy about all 3 properties always being linked together now. That's me though.
Ok I see :). I just finished #1, it's pretty decent. I don't really have an issue with the art in either issue 1 or 2. Love the colors. It could be because of a recent run I just had reading all the 90's Aliens stuff again.
I find the art and especially coloring these days is vastly superior compared to than. The feel of the pages has gotten better and so have the stories but there is room for improvement there.
They mention in the end of Prometheus #1 why different artists appear for different series, it's so they meet up with production times.
Anyhow, compared to those crossovers and certain 90's comics, I'm happy with the recent stories, especially both Prometheus series and Aliens: Defiance.
There's room though to create some series or one shots like Fast track to Heaven that are strictly horror based. Most stories I find always include Marines and guns. Wouldn't mind seeing some survival horror type of stories from Dark Horse.
Whatever works for ya. I personally prefer the 90s era more than now but that's me.
Still don't think anyone has matched Denis B's use of colour and linework (from Book 2/Nightmare Asylum) though Tristan's keyline style does come very, very close.
Nightmare Asylum has serious kickass art/colors, a superior species no doubt ;D, especially for late 80's/early 90's!
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Yeah well I like them all, new and old. Even the crappy ones I get some enjoyment from.
But yeah not liking the art much in Prometheus l&d but I'm enjoiying the story especially now that we are back with the survivors of F&S.
Hope aliens l&d has better art.
I feel as though the writing is incredibly lazy, especially regarding references to the Engineers. Not because the writing is bad, but that it's filled with so many logic errors that it's really quite off putting.
The immediate reference to the Engineers as Gods, Singer's quote "Something big... Like a God!" Was especially cringe-worthy in part 1 as well as Melville's "Answers to who we are" in regards to the Engineer ship in issue two. We've watched Prometheus, these guys haven't, they know nothing of the Engineers. In the second issue they try to cover up this slip with them apparently have read pictograms of the Enginners seeding countless worlds. If that had actually happened before they'd called it a god upon it first waking up it may have made a bit more sense.
My second niggle that also translates from Fire and Stone is the calling of the Aliens Xenomorphs. The Predator, the Aliens, the Engineers, the Black Goo Creatures are ALL Xenomorphs. >_<
After all of that, I must admit I'm still enjoying the series, I just wish the writers wouldn't constantly include what they know into characters who shouldn't have any knowledge of these terms.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 01, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
I feel as though the writing is incredibly lazy, especially regarding references to the Engineers. Not because the writing is bad, but that it's filled with so many logic errors that it's really quite off putting.
The immediate reference to the Engineers as Gods, Singer's quote "Something big... Like a God!" Was especially cringe-worthy in part 1 as well as Melville's "Answers to who we are" in regards to the Engineer ship in issue two. We've watched Prometheus, these guys haven't, they know nothing of the Engineers.
I wish Fox or Dark Horse would have a serious editor in place just going through stuff like this before it's printed, because honestly it's these little dumb illogical errors and continuity mistakes that makes them look bad at Dark Horse. And yes I found the writing lazy at times, not sure why this guy didn't put a bit more time in his writing, it feels rushed. Other times it's well written though.
Took another look at the preview, and I wonder
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if they'll address what the "Ewok camp" is made from. It looks like salvaged parts from the Perses, or maybe the Onager.
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"Ewok camp"
;D ;D ;D
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Perses was pretty much slagged and Onager is stuck inside a mountain. Helios was more or less intact.
I had forgotten about that one!
https://bigcomicpage.com/2016/08/09/review-prometheus-life-and-death-3-dark-horse-comics/
Review of the 3rd issue from Big Comic Page. They aren't too chuffed with issue 3.
I just read issue 3. ;D Than I read the review.
The review makes some good points but overall I found this issue to be a bit better than the last one. Art is great as usual...
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It had a bit more dialogue
There will definitely be an epic duel between the engineers and humans with Ahab in the final issue
More exploration should have been done in the tombs and stuff...really tired of Jungle and camp settlement settings, just doesn't feel like an Aliens world setting..
At least Galgo isn't fighting with anyone and everyone anymore and is actually doing a fine job spying on the engineers, but damn, he's always spreading panick lol.
Not really liking these Alien types
Nice read though.
Just read issue #3, quick thoughts:
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I liked it, even I it was a bit heavy on the exposition and didn't do a whole lot to advance things. Abnett does a good job of explaining how Angela and company got there, without walking into the pitfall of spending too much time recapping Fire and Stone.
I liked the money xeno queen, and the art overall is pretty nice. Ahab does look a bit off in some places, though. I look forward to seeing the physical copy, rather than just reading it on my phone.
Next issue promises to be a great fight! I'm really excited for how Abnett handles things once the xenos become the main antagonists. Fingers crossed for host farming.
Haven't read it yet. Undecided if I'm going to continue with the series or not. Might just wait for the TPB to read it all in one go.
I wish we saw
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where Ahab has been staying in the survivors' camp. He must have a trophy room somewhere, so that would have been cool to see.
I liked the little bit of speculation about the Engineers maybe trying to keep us away from the goo because we're too primitive.
I was hoping for more conflict between the Marines and Ahab, maybe a short scuffle that Galgo would have had to break up. Also thought Singer and Melville would be more curious about Ahab, but I suppose the Engineers are the more immediate concern.
Also, what was up with
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the urns of goo floating? I know it's supposed to be advanced seeming and mysterious, but it came off weird.
Just got issue 3, thought it was pretty decent. Still not liking the alien designs at all.
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Queen and hugger looked okay though. I was surprised by who was hugged.
Brian Thies has shared some more art, and we're getting
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some Kenner xenos, it seems. ;D
https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/)
https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/)
What the hell is the first one supposed to be? Mantis?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 17, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
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some Kenner xenos, it seems. ;D
https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/)
https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/)
I was going to explode with anger, but they are kind of creepy lol. Those hands...Still I wish there was a permanent ban on drawing any Alien that doesn't look like the 79 one. Stupid Alien 3 dog alien crap started all this. The fanboy geeks love drawing these different Aliens hihihihi look at my new Alien woooohooo /rant closed lol.
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Actually you're wrong on that statement and it did NOT start with the dog alien. We started seeing different hybrids in the comics long before Alien 3 came out. There's the guardian xenos in the Earth War comic & that was from 1990. Alien 3, 1992. I don't agree on the ban of anything that doesn't look like the '79. Yea there's some pretty whacked out looking creations out there I'll admit that but there's definitely some neat ones too. It would get boring to just see the same one over & over. The xenos can't just come out of humans ALL the time, they would have come across many types of species long before contact with humans. The Kenner toyline really started to bring out the different hybrids and it kinda just rolled from there. Just my 2 cents on that.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 17, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 17, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
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some Kenner xenos, it seems. ;D
https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLezG6Dt2j/)
https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJLekd8jH5l/)
I was going to explode with anger, but they are kind of creepy lol. Those hands...Still I wish there was a permanent ban on drawing any Alien that doesn't look like the 79 one. Stupid Alien 3 dog alien crap started all this. The fanboy geeks love drawing these different Aliens hihihihi look at my new Alien woooohooo /rant closed lol.
http://www.writingwinters.com/wp-content/uploads/wtf-is-this-shit.jpg
You remind me of a friend I knew from France. ;D
I'm glad you looked on the bright side and saw the creepiness of the Alien. Always good to look on the bright side of life. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 17, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
What the hell is the first one supposed to be? Mantis?
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Gorilla, I think.
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Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 17, 2016, 11:59:38 AMI was going to explode with anger, but they are kind of creepy lol. Those hands...Still I wish there was a permanent ban on drawing any Alien that doesn't look like the 79 one. Stupid Alien 3 dog alien crap started all this. The fanboy geeks love drawing these different Aliens hihihihi look at my new Alien woooohooo /rant closed lol.
To be fair, the idea of the Alien looking different depending on its host was technically there from the start - Ridley said several times in interviews about the first movie that it was just the "man-version" of Alien.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 17, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71074846.jpg
Already has happened. Kenner's Swarm set & the Flying Queen.
You can't compare the so called Dog Alien to the Lender crap and video game and comic book bastardizations of the xenomorph; the Dog Alien (Runner/Dragon) is eccentrically a regular Drone/Warrior with digitrade legs and no dorsal tubes. It has no gimmicks or superficial canine attributes - no ears, whiskers or snout, nothing dog-like when it comes to the cranium or body shape, nothing extra dog-like about the teeth or lips... the only thing slightly mimicking dogs and cats is the structure and design of its feet, but it is very, very subtle.
The Dog Alien is pretty much a regular Xenomorph that is just a slightly more adapted to run on all fours. It's a Quadruped, and that's about it. It shares surprisingly little resemblance with its host.
Kenner xeno's for life.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 17, 2016, 08:33:05 PM
You can't compare the so called Dog Alien to the Lender crap and video game and comic book bastardizations of the xenomorph; the Dog Alien (Runner/Dragon) is eccentrically a regular Drone/Warrior with digitrade legs and no dorsal tubes. It has no gimmicks or superficial canine attributes - no ears, whiskers or snout, nothing dog-like when it comes to the cranium or body shape, nothing extra dog-like about the teeth or lips... the only thing slightly mimicking dogs and cats is the structure and design of its feet, but it is very, very subtle.
The Dog Alien is pretty much a regular Xenomorph that is just a slightly more adapted to run on all fours. It's a Quadruped, and that's about it. It shares surprisingly little resemblance with its host.
I fully agree on all accounts.
It really is a great alien design, my favorite after big chap.
:D
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Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 17, 2016, 09:23:16 PM
:D
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I remember seeing that snake Alien in the old AvP snes game. It was one of the bosses. :laugh:
The queen:
https://instagram.com/p/BJOIetfja3G/ (https://instagram.com/p/BJOIetfja3G/)
I'm pretty much convinced that the life&death event isnt going to deliver anything I was hoping for in terms of the Alien.
The current aliens seen in Prometheus are just plain stupid and these new design give me little hope for the remaining story arcs.
It seems to me that, when it comes to the alien, Defiance gets* it and life and death just doesn't.
You gotta keep in mind that these are some accelerant infected Aliens, so expect some radical changes. That queen looks cool and mutated.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 17, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
You gotta keep in mind that these are some accelerant infected Aliens, so expect some radical changes. That queen looks cool and mutated.
Yeah I get that and there is a lot I like about the story in promy l&d, but the aliens seen in this arc are just so goofy looking, couldn't they come up with something better? Literally anything.
Brian thies designs are better but not what I'm interested in.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 17, 2016, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 17, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
You gotta keep in mind that these are some accelerant infected Aliens, so expect some radical changes. That queen looks cool and mutated.
Yeah I get that and there is a lot I like about the story in promy l&d, but the aliens seen in this arc are just so goofy looking, couldn't they come up with something better? Literally anything.
Brian thies designs are better but not what I'm interested in.
I understand.
These series do have a particular stylish artwork that is sort of an acquired taste.
I agree with you on Defiance having better artwork. I think it's due to the grittier and more detailed tone they are going for which is really appealing. While from what I've seen of Life and Death is more of a cartoony tone.
Same thing with Fire and Stone, each arc sort of has its own style. Omega seems to have the best artwork due to how detailed it is.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 17, 2016, 10:16:17 PM
I'm pretty much convinced that the life&death event isnt going to deliver anything I was hoping for in terms of the Alien.
The current aliens seen in Prometheus are just plain stupid and these new design give me little hope for the remaining story arcs.
It seems to me that, when it comes to the alien, Defiance gets* it and life and death just doesn't.
Well buddy, I agree with you 100%. I see where this is going now. These are the crappy Aliens that are going to be in Aliens Life and Death? Good effin luck with that. Haven't these people read Aliens Colonial Marines in the 90's with those stupid mutated aliens in it and the crap reviews?
I guess fanboys never learn. And there's so many in this industry. I'm surprised the owners and editors at DH actually go with this garbage. Out of a billion Alien stories one can come up, it has to be mutated aliens? Mutated androids and resident evil aliens in the fire and stone arc now this shit. Have fun when the crappy reviews come pouring in if Aliens Life and Death is all about mutated aliens.
I'm actually quite tired of Dark Horse's mediocre ideas and stories over the last 3 decades, over 50% of them have been destroyed with crap ideas like this, I wish Alien comics were written by smarter people. If they fail with Defiance too, they should just give back the license.
This is just my opinion, If anyone wants to flame me, go ahead, don't forget the vitriol.
Here you go Dark Horse, my final thoughts exactly at the 11-13 second mark on your crap mutant b flick ideas lol.
Most of the Aliens in the old Colonial Marines book just looked like normal Aliens.
These ones are deliberately different due to their accelerant mutated hosts.
I have no problem with the black goo effect :) I like black goo. Heck, I drink it every day. All I'm asking for is a smart story. And if that's not possible, at least no mutants only. A couple of normal Aliens and some horror can't hurt anyone. I don't think this is too much to ask for out of an Alien comic. Let's see where this goes...I can guarentee you the reviews will be horrid by most if it's a mutant only story in Aliens Life & Death.
Tell them something SM. 😊 😆
I did.
I'll see where it goes before I condemn it. Personally, I loved the Kenner designs in Predator (Thies loves his Kenner!) and if it makes sense within the context of the story, I'm all for it. I might not be a big fan of the Resurrection designs but they work within the story, like they're meant to. These Kenner based ones aren't a massive departure and considering the fact that it's set within a massive jungle with its own massive mutated ecosystem, the Aliens not being the norm is fine by me.
Like I said earlier, I'm fine with the black goo changing them. But they look goofy and inspire giggles not terror.
Not condemning the whole thing, I am enjoying the story. I just like the aliens to actually look menacing.
Brians mutations look better and more like aliens, but the huge long arms still look rediculous. Not that it matters much, i'll be buying them.
Yea the aliens in L&D aren't that great looking but I can look past that but that's probably because I'd be considered a "fan boy". The story however is doing nothing for me for the whole overall L&D arc. Read issue 3 of Prom yesterday & found it mostly lackluster & boring for being #3 out of 4. Hope they ramp it up for #4.
Yeah, Black Goo messed them up and such but I'm sorry, this:
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is inexcusable. >:(
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I thought this was Aliens/Prometheus, not The Walking Dead. Acid should have melted through the sticks, let alone Aliens shouldn't be that stupid, even with Black Goo issues. I'm smashing my head against a wall with this, IIRC I'm not the only one here that has complained about the Aliens being just zombies.
That said, I'm 100% in for more Xeno Morphs (ba dum tchish). I just wish they set themselves some guidelines with them. Considering only Alien and Aliens, the Alien should retain the front portion of the skull with jaw slightly modified of it's host behind the cowl as well as the basic body shape of the host. As the Alien grows, the skull feature morphs, pulled backwards by the sides and the cowl is shed, giving us our Cameron Xeno.
A common thing I see is just slapping a human Alien head or torso on a different set of hips or with different limbs.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Kenner Aliens. But after Aliens, the whole Alien's horizontal gene absorption and characteristic inheritance is kind of shallow.
That isn't great. At all. :-\ Looks terrible. Is that from #3?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2016, 07:43:29 AM
That isn't great. At all. :-\ Looks terrible. Is that from #3?
Yeah, page 3 of #3.
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I mean look at the MASSIVE gaps in that trap! I don't see how the Alien even got impaled in the first place!
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 02:41:16 AM
Yeah, Black Goo messed them up and such but I'm sorry, this:
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is inexcusable. >:(
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I thought this was Aliens/Prometheus, not The Walking Dead. Acid should have melted through the sticks, let alone Aliens shouldn't be that stupid, even with Black Goo issues. I'm smashing my head against a wall with this, IIRC I'm not the only one here that has complained about the Aliens being just zombies.
Who wrote this? I thought I was reading what I wrote :).
Is that really from Prometheus Life And Death #3, I don't recall that scene. That is one ugly fast drawn Alien & Predator. I wish I were his editor. I would tell him that can't even be used as hygienic toilet paper. Do the world a favor and burn it. I could see it in a newspaper funnies strip but not as toilet paper.
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 02:41:16 AM
Yeah, Black Goo messed them up and such but I'm sorry, this:
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is inexcusable. >:(
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I thought this was Aliens/Prometheus, not The Walking Dead. Acid should have melted through the sticks, let alone Aliens shouldn't be that stupid, even with Black Goo issues. I'm smashing my head against a wall with this, IIRC I'm not the only one here that has complained about the Aliens being just zombies.
That said, I'm 100% in for more Xeno Morphs (ba dum tchish). I just wish they set themselves some guidelines with them. Considering only Alien and Aliens, the Alien should retain the front portion of the skull with jaw slightly modified of it's host behind the cowl as well as the basic body shape of the host. As the Alien grows, the skull feature morphs, pulled backwards by the sides and the cowl is shed, giving us our Cameron Xeno.
A common thing I see is just slapping a human Alien head or torso on a different set of hips or with different limbs.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Kenner Aliens. But after Aliens, the whole Alien's horizontal gene absorption and characteristic inheritance is kind of shallow.
Oh that's awful...not just the obviously rushed art but just...the Xenos...why do they have to make them mindless idiots nowadays?
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #4! Beware of spoilers!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0)
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I like that we're seeing Ahab fight an Engineer in a chair suit. This issue looks like it will be a fun battle.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 03, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #4! Beware of spoilers!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0)
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I like that we're seeing Ahab fight an Engineer in a chair suit. This issue looks like it will be a fun battle.
I do like that look for the Engineer.
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 03, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #4! Beware of spoilers!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0)
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I like that we're seeing Ahab fight an Engineer in a chair suit. This issue looks like it will be a fun battle.
I do like that look for the Engineer.
That was a pretty cool preview. I like the Engineer look also.
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The Pred put up a great fight but those engineers are sick. Did the 2nd Engineer vaporize the ship with the human crew? lol
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 03, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #4! Beware of spoilers!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0)
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I like that we're seeing Ahab fight an Engineer in a chair suit. This issue looks like it will be a fun battle.
OH MY GODOFKEOFKFRIOFK....
This just keeps getting better and better, I am literally ecstatic right now!!!! I cannot wait to read these!
OMG SERIOUSLY! NEED CPR TO RESTART MY HEARTBEAT...
I don't think he came back after this, someone should call his house.
Lol..you ok Alien Predator?
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I don't think he came back after this, someone should call his house.
Lol..you ok Alien Predator?
After a good night's sleep, I managed to get my senses together. :laugh:
When I came to this thread a few minutes ago, a funny glitch happened. I saw the recent comments but mine went missing lol! I was confused and wondering whether I was a bit TOO happy for this forum's taste but then I come back and BAM it's here along with your reply. XD Must've been a disturbance in the Force...
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Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 04, 2016, 12:01:30 PM
I don't think he came back after this, someone should call his house.
Lol..you ok Alien Predator?
After a good night's sleep, I managed to get my senses together. :laugh:
When I came to this thread a few minutes ago, a funny glitch happened. I saw the recent comments but mine went missing lol! I was confused and wondering whether I was a bit TOO happy for this forum's taste but then I come back and BAM it's here along with your reply. XD Must've been a disturbance in the Force...
A glitch??? What do you mean a glitch???
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Quote from: The Alien Predator on Sep 04, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 04, 2016, 12:01:30 PM
I don't think he came back after this, someone should call his house.
Lol..you ok Alien Predator?
After a good night's sleep, I managed to get my senses together. :laugh:
When I came to this thread a few minutes ago, a funny glitch happened. I saw the recent comments but mine went missing lol! I was confused and wondering whether I was a bit TOO happy for this forum's taste but then I come back and BAM it's here along with your reply. XD Must've been a disturbance in the Force...
A glitch??? What do you mean a glitch???
LOL!!! XD
I do wish the comics would take a little liberty and increase the size of the Jockeys. Not really digging on the artwork either. I'm complaining. I hate complaining.
Hoping this will be a balanced out the complaints of the Engineer Predator battle shown Predator fire and stone issue 4 where the Engineer had over powered the Predator.
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I do wish the comics would take a little liberty and increase the size of the Jockeys. Not really digging on the artwork either. I'm complaining. I hate complaining.
Speaking of Jockeys, if Covenant or a future sequel introduces them as a separate huge race... do you think the Predators would hunt them in future comics? :P
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 05, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
Hoping this will be a balanced out the complaints of the Engineer Predator battle shown Predator fire and stone issue 4 where the Engineer had over powered the Predator.
Looking at the preview.. this does look like this might be fixed. And seeing Ahab actually giving an Engineer in a chairsuit a hard time... Well.. maybe this will knock the Engineers down several pegs. Kind of got me nodding in approval there.
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Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 05, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
Hoping this will be a balanced out the complaints of the Engineer Predator battle shown Predator fire and stone issue 4 where the Engineer had over powered the Predator.
Looking at the preview.. this does look like this might be fixed. And seeing Ahab actually giving an Engineer in a chairsuit a hard time... Well.. maybe this will knock the Engineers down several pegs. Kind of got me nodding in approval there.
Wait until you see the panel with the Engineer tossing the Predator 50 feet away like a toy, lol.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 03, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
Dark Horse has a preview of issue #4! Beware of spoilers!
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-815?page=0)
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I like that we're seeing Ahab fight an Engineer in a chair suit. This issue looks like it will be a fun battle.
What I took away from this preview :
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Engineer : "You're just some puny creation by somebody or something that doesn't deserve to fight a god like me. I'm going to crush you"
Ahab : "Oh yeah? I don't care what you think I am and I certainly don't care what you are. Let's have it out so you can find out how puny I am."
(BTW, no, I'm not suggestion the Engineers created the Predators)
Yeah, so far PROM:L&D has been pretty underwhelming, not that P:L&D was that exciting either. It's going to be interesting to see where A:L&D is going to head as A:F&S was my favorite out of the F&S series.
To give the Fire and Stone Engineer the benefit of the doubt, he had been systematically cleaning up the Black Goo monsters and the Aliens which had to have been a hell of a workout. :P
This one has pretty much just woken up and he seems a bit puny for an Engineer. Might even have a respiratory problem, wearing the helmet and all. ;)
Hulking Reviewer has a positive review of #4. Beware of some small spoilers.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/prometheus-life-and-death-4/ (http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/prometheus-life-and-death-4/)
Come on, Wednesday!
Just finished reading #4. Pretty meh. Without the other issues to tie into it, it really doesn't stand on its own very well as just a 4 issue story. And yes I know it's a 17 part arc but I still think each title should at least stand on its own a little for those not too interested in collecting a 17 part story over 4 different titles. Just my opinion. Aliens L&D is next.
Just read #4, and while it wasn't the ending I was hoping for, it was a pretty solid issue.
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I liked the debate about whether or not to bring Jhalil, it was a good contrast between Galgo and the Marines. It's cool to see how far Foster and the others have come from Omega, when they were squatting in that cave starving to death. I like our Marines, too, and I hope Melville continues to get time to shine. Hopefully Ahab gets some more screen time and growth once his fellow Yautja show up.
I liked the art well enough. Mutti does backgrounds really well, and the fight between Ahab and the Engineer was pretty great, but too short. His xenos were really not good in this issue, though. They get like an afterthought.
All in all, now that we're halfway through Life and Death, I can say that as a story it's working better than Fire and Stone, but tht story hasn't taken as many risks. Hopefully Abnett has some twists in store for us.
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Just read #4, and while it wasn't the ending I was hoping for, it was a pretty solid issue.
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I liked the debate about whether or not to bring Jhalil, it was a good contrast between Galgo and the Marines. It's cool to see how far Foster and the others have come from Omega, when they were squatting in that cave starving to death. I like our Marines, too, and I hope Melville continues to get time to shine. Hopefully Ahab gets some more screen time and growth once his fellow Yautja show up.
I liked the art well enough. Mutti does backgrounds really well, and the fight between Ahab and the Engineer was pretty great, but too short. His xenos were really not good in this issue, though. They get like an afterthought.
All in all, now that we're halfway through Life and Death, I can say that as a story it's working better than Fire and Stone, but tht story hasn't taken as many risks. Hopefully Abnett has some twists in store for us.
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How does the fight go between Ahab and the Engineer? Is the Engineer still an overpowering force?
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How does the fight go between Ahab and the Engineer? Is the Engineer still an overpowering force?
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It was an okay fight. Ahab got a few good hits in for sure but ultimately in the end, I think the Engineer would have killed him if something else didn't intervene. Don't want to spoil anymore.
This series has been a yawner.
Just finished reading issue #4 of Prometheus. Not bad at all, possibly the best one of the series, but again these comics feel so short.
Who is Mike, Mark & Randy in the final page by the way, some inside joke by Dark Horse or a hint of a new series? Mike Richardson?
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Forgot to also mention LV-797. Was this discussed already in the Predator Life & Death thread?
Is LV-797 located in the same system as LV-223/426?
I forget about it until now while I was reading the new #4 issue of Prometheus Life & Death.
Found this small description on a website:
LV-797, aka Tartarus, is a WY territory schedule to be terraformed. But it looks a rival company by the name of Seegson (yes!) is prospecting illegally on their grounds. Awesome! For those wondering why I'm geeking out right now, Seegson was the guilty party behind the shenanigans in the brilliant Alien: Isolation. Now we have a nice tie-in between the game and comics universe.
Mike Richardson
Randy Stradley
Mark Nelson
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Forgot to also mention LV-797. Was this discussed already in the Predator Life & Death thread?
Is LV-797 located in the same system as LV-223/426?
I forget about it until now while I was reading the new #4 issue of Prometheus Life & Death.
Found this small description on a website:
LV-797, aka Tartarus, is a WY territory schedule to be terraformed. But it looks a rival company by the name of Seegson (yes!) is prospecting illegally on their grounds. Awesome! For those wondering why I'm geeking out right now, Seegson was the guilty party behind the shenanigans in the brilliant Alien: Isolation. Now we have a nice tie-in between the game and comics universe.
Not sure about the thread itself but yea it was maybe issue 1 or 2 of Predator L&D you found out about Seegson & being there illegally and such. I didn't get far enough in Isolation to learn much about them so my knowledge of Seegson is next to nothing.
As for the names, I could be wrong but I think they're people who worked on some of the older comic titles. I know the name Mark Nelson sticks out to me but I don't remember from what titles.
So my question for those who know more about Seegson, who's the more evil company in the end? Seegson, WY, Cyberdyne Systems or OCP from RoboCop? I don't care about evil corporations enough to look much into it :P
Cyberdyne for sure!
QuoteAs for the names, I could be wrong but I think they're people who worked on some of the older comic titles. I know the name Mark Nelson sticks out to me but I don't remember from what titles.
Book One.
Stradley wrote the original AvP amongst other things.
Richardson created Dark Horse and wrote Newts Tale and Genocide amongst others.
SM, think there'll be another series before Life & Death & Defiance? They are both looking like they will finish around March-April 2017. I need reassurance that our dealer is reliable.
I'm enjoying Andrea Mutti's artwork (bar the rough Xeno designs) in this Prometheus run but dammit those pulse rifles whilst nicely drawn are a tad too small in scale.
Nit picking.
One small thing that bothered me about this series is that
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the Predator and Engineer dialog is written in the same font and style of word balloons as the human speech. With Fire and Stone, all the alien languages (including the four-armed aliens Ahab fights) got their own fonts, so they looked unique and alien. I don't overly mind Ahab's dialog being reduced to clicks and clacks, but I was taken aback to see the Engineer going "Uff" and things in regular font. I liked the Engineer script we got in Predator: Fire and Stone.
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the Predator and Engineer dialog is written in the same font and style of word balloons as the human speech. With Fire and Stone, all the alien languages (including the four-armed aliens Ahab fights) got their own fonts, so they looked unique and alien. I don't overly mind Ahab's dialog being reduced to clicks and clacks, but I was taken aback to see the Engineer going "Uff" and things in regular font. I liked the Engineer script we got in Predator: Fire and Stone.
Speech bubbles design, typography, grammar and placement is an extremely detailed art within itself that most of us completely overlook.
Why is Ahab still trying to fist fight Engineers...
The old-timer doesn't seem to have learned his lesson
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Mike Richardson
Randy Stradley
Mark Nelson
There's also another Mark mentioned as having written the script. Verheiden? Is this simply a throwback to Book One or is it something new?
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Quote from: SM on Sep 17, 2016, 02:34:33 AM
Mike Richardson
Randy Stradley
Mark Nelson
There's also another Mark mentioned as having written the script. Verheiden? Is this simply a throwback to Book One or is it something new?
Yea I'm pretty sure you're right it's Verheiden. Didn't they name a character that in the AVP movie as well? Nice when they acknowledge the writers from the beginning.
Yeah, scarface in AVP was called Mark Verheiden.
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I thought so. Just couldn't remember if it was just the last name used or the full name on the character.
Only his last name is said in the film, but the credits give his first name as Mark.
Ah ok. I haven't popped the movie in for quite a while. It's not one that gets watched very often in my collection :P
Understandable.
Finally got issue #4 and its more of the same. Underwhelming to say the least and the art is just not working for me. Now its on to Aliens L&D, not much hope going into the at arc.
Crossing my fingers that AvP is good.
Brian Thies will be providing art for the final one-shot issue!
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QuoteDan Abnett (W), Brian Albert Thies (A), Rain Beredo (C), David Palumbo (Cover), and Sachin Teng (Variant cover)
On sale Apr 26
FC, 48 pages
$5.99
One-shot
The surviving Colonial Marines on the planet LV-223 face a final battle with an injured and enraged Engineer—and, somewhere out in space, three trapped humans seek to change the course of the Engineer's ship . . . and possibly the history of humanity!
The final installment of the Life and Death saga!
I'm banking on
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an open ending that ends with Foster and Singer in control of the Juggernaut, segueing into an inevitable sequel.
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Brian Thies will be providing art for the final one-shot issue!
That suits me just fine. I dig Thies' artwork. And another AlienDay release too.
Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure I know how the last three issues of Life and Death will play out.
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The xenos swarm the Marines and Predators, who fight hard and take heavy losses. Then, just when they're on the brink, the Engineer will show up and vaporize the aliens, then fight the remaining Marines and Preds. Foster and company will somehow turn the Juggernaut around the core characters will be rescued. It will end with the Predators taking possession of the Juggernaut in exchange for letting the humans live. The survivors will then nuke LV-223 from orbit before heading home. With Covenant coming DH may want to wrap-up the LV-223 side of things.
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Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure I know how the last three issues of Life and Death will play out. Spoiler
The xenos swarm the Marines and Predators, who fight hard and take heavy losses. Then, just when they're on the brink, the Engineer will show up and vaporize the aliens, then fight the remaining Marines and Preds. Foster and company will somehow turn the Juggernaut around the core characters will be rescued. It will end with the Predators taking possession of the Juggernaut in exchange for letting the humans live. The survivors will then nuke LV-223 from orbit before heading home. With Covenant coming DH may want to wrap-up the LV-223 side of things.
That will certainly have a
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Rage War feel to it (where the Predators leave with all the goodies) and I can see the Marines nuking LV-223. It'd certainly answer why Weyland-Yutani didn't make future visits to the moon since it's right next door to LV-426.
I doubt we'd be seeing it again in future films, it's told its story in Prometheus, in Fire and Stone and now in Life and Death.
Paradise will now be the next hunting ground! ;D
Yeah, I definitely see an ending like Rage War
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with the Preds taking the ship. The only thing I wonder about is whether Ahab will go with them or with the humans.
Are you suggesting that Ahab would pull off a Machiko Noguchi? :P
I kind of doubt Ahab would come with us, or if he does, he'd stick out like a sore thumb and governments or corporations would do anything to capture him. He'd have no rights in our society and those that know about Predators would do their best to ensure he doesn't get any rights due to what they do to us.
If he does come with the humans, he'd likely be the Chewbaca to Galgo's Han Solo.
This is all assuming he survives Life and Death.
That's true, that could be pretty cheesy.
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Maybe he'll go out like a badass in the last issue.