Thanks Chris Patchi for catching this ..
This is from nonentity on www.PrometheusForum.net (http://www.prometheusforum.net)
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim/p1 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim/p1)
Sorry for not posting the link earlier.
Warning!!! Huge Spoilers!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24QUMglk3s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24QUMglk3s#)
From HappyTheManFan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGoxNOOUls# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGoxNOOUls#)
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VickersAsh's gif
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Oh my.
Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off.
Spoiler
It appears to be rasslin' with either the Engineer or a mutated human.
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"Hello Mommy" indeed.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2012, 06:50:18 AM
Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off.
Spoiler
It appears to be rasslin' with either the Engineer or a mutated human.
Spoiler
It is the engineer. Or the big guy with the burned head. The guy who posted it confirmed it.
Thanks for the video mate, I didn't think he'd get it up so quick. I've never seen the quick shot of the Juggernaut platform busting out steam like that before either.
An HD of this would be spoiler city. Bring it! ;D
Oh, f**k
Spoiler
STARBEAST!!!
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2x276.png
"Hello Mommy" indeed.
That thing has got to be huge.
Wow - that confirms that very early report about this thing being grown up.
I noticed they change the audio to "If you don't stop
them, there won't be a home to go back to."
Spoiler
Still, we have no idea who that is it's got - either a post-human or the 'indigenous' Engineer. I think those two beings are entirely different.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 06:54:39 AM
Wow - that confirms that very early report about this thing being grown up.
We already had that confirmed months ago when we saw it's big ol' tentacle smack the window Noomi's looking through.
It's Starbeast!
this is awesome, i hope somebody can gif it!!
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:56:26 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 06:54:39 AM
Wow - that confirms that very early report about this thing being grown up.
We already had that confirmed months ago when we saw it's big ol' tentacle smack the window Noomi's looking through.
That could have just been a throat snake. Plus the tentacles on the video here are a very thick and dark color, while the one that hit the window was thin and white.
Looked at it again - and it could potentially be that thing at the window as well. It has two types of tentacles? One that i see is very thin and long, and the others are octopi like.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2012, 06:55:48 AM
Spoiler
Still, we have no idea who that is it's got - either a post-human or the 'indigenous' Engineer. I think those two beings are entirely different.
Spoiler
Maybe it enacts Deus Ex Squidbaby right before Shaw is about to get it from the Engineer or a mutated human.
They also just posted the 'rappelling' spot as well, not sure if it was added here already...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77isxdkb3J8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77isxdkb3J8#ws)
Two more shots:
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"You know what this place is? Hell."
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2x276.png
"Hello Mommy" indeed.
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Jesus Christ. What is that, man?
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Neeeeed HD
Well, I can't make heads or tails of that and I guess that's only appropriate.
I know there's supposed to be a spot out there with Janek telling Shaw "whatever happens, he can't go home" (Holloway?). I guess no one's got to that yet.
Spoiler
Or the one with the Engineer and/or mutant pinning Shaw to a wall by the neck.
MMm, Noomi and tentacles.
Wait? MMM? I meant EWW!!!
;D
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 20, 2012, 07:04:53 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2x276.png
"Hello Mommy" indeed.
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/WalkEvilTalk/Picture10-10.png
Jesus Christ. What is that, man?
Hey, why won't they freeze him?
HEY! Freeze Him! Freeze Him man, why won't they freeze him man?
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Left side looks similar to the grapple part.
I guess they examine the ship after it crashes.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2012, 07:06:25 AM
Well, I can't make heads or tails of that and I guess that's only appropriate.
I know there's supposed to be a spot out there with Janek telling Shaw "whatever happens, he can't go home" (Holloway?). I guess no one's got to that yet.
Spoiler
Or the one with the Engineer and/or mutant pinning Shaw to a wall by the neck.
Spoiler
The one with the Engineer pinning Shaw was from a photo from a Chinese trailer done on cam in the theatre. No one has that.
It goes by so quick it's kinda hard to make out whatever that...thing is, I don't feel spoiled.
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 20, 2012, 07:04:13 AM
Spoiler
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Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 20, 2012, 07:12:25 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 20, 2012, 07:04:13 AM
Spoiler
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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/146/808/batman.gif
looks like that thing has batman too! lol
This video captured and uploaded by a member on PF called nonentity, here: http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim. (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim.) Credit where it's due and all that.
As for who that guy being swallowed up by the tentacles:
Spoiler
The guy who posted the vid said he freeze framed the shot and was able to tell that it was the burned mutant/engineer. He said it was clear to him - but take it as you will.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 07:15:09 AM
As for who that guy being swallowed up by the tentacles:
Spoiler
The guy who posted the vid said he freeze framed the shot and was able to tell that it was the burned mutant/engineer. He said it was clear to him - but take it as you will.
Sorry it clearly looks like Shaw to me, could be wrong but I would bet my money on it... Anthony
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:07:58 AM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 20, 2012, 07:04:53 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2x276.png
"Hello Mommy" indeed.
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/WalkEvilTalk/Picture10-10.png
Jesus Christ. What is that, man?
Hey, why won't they freeze him?
HEY! Freeze Him! Freeze Him man, why won't they freeze him man?
What I think we should do is just freeze him.
Courtesy of Jonesycatpants @ PF...
Spoiler
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Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 07:15:09 AM
As for who that guy being swallowed up by the tentacles:
Spoiler
The guy who posted the vid said he freeze framed the shot and was able to tell that it was the burned mutant/engineer. He said it was clear to him - but take it as you will.
wait. what? The jockey's being smothered by those tentacles? I just thought that was furniture from vicker's quarters being flung about as the tentacles made their way toward shaw. lol
Spoiler
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I imagine the dialogue here being something like, "piss off! Have fun with your bff"
STARBEAST
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STARBEAST MOTHERf**kERS, STARBEAST UP IN THIS BYETCH.
Oh god it's starbeast!
Looks like it is just shaw to me guys, I can't see anything else besides what might be some debris being thrown about
Holy Hentai tentacles!
I said in another thread that i was hoping Shaws baby was a Dianoga with attitude!
http://Richard-Daborn.deviantart.com/art/Princess-and-the-Pit-of-Peril-265553227?q=gallery%3ARichard-Daborn%2F46643&qo=7&catpath=&order=0&offset=7 (http://richard-daborn.deviantart.com/art/Princess-and-the-Pit-of-Peril-265553227?q=gallery%3ARichard-Daborn%2F46643&qo=7&catpath=&order=0&offset=7)
LOL
Poor Engineer, gettin' raped and likely impregnated :'( :P
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 20, 2012, 07:26:39 AM
Spoiler
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I imagine the dialogue here being something like, "piss off! Have fun with your bff"
Or "Meet Brutus douchebag... sic' em boy!". ;D
Jonesycatpants does it again...
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What if the engineer held down is Holloway? :P What goes around comes around, eh? :laugh:
The engineer is the engineer. Holloway is not an engineer. :)
Ridley has been keeping up with his tentacle "pron" :laugh:
..we'll see if Shaw's son can measure up to Kane's.... we'll see :P
Now that I think about it, it looks more like this:
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A Shoggoth, perhaps this is what Del Toro was talking about(in regards to ATMOM the movie)?
If so then I lol, because there is only a passing resemblance here.
And as for the Elder Things(kinda like space jockey's but not really):
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Well, there is nothing quite like them, or their mortal enemies:
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The Flying Polyps
Go ahead and make it Del Toro.
But man... eww. Just EWWW, imagine what else is in this movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hooO64dQc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hooO64dQc#)
Well, with his "Arrrghghhh, I'm going to harshly lift you and throw you into a wall!" type of attitude, he deserved it.
Oh my! Prometheus is a tentacle rape hentai. God damnit Linedolf! :P
But then again... it still looks like nothing more than a giant squid. Maybe we'll get something more akin to tetsuo from akira?
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on May 20, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
Sorry it clearly looks like Shaw to me, could be wrong but I would bet my money on it... Anthony
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
Looks like it is just shaw to me guys, I can't see anything else besides what might be some debris being thrown about
If you will look closely, it's Shaw and two wrestling monsters.
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Quote from: TyrantUA on May 20, 2012, 07:45:45 AM
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on May 20, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
Sorry it clearly looks like Shaw to me, could be wrong but I would bet my money on it... Anthony
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
Looks like it is just shaw to me guys, I can't see anything else besides what might be some debris being thrown about
If you will look closely, it's Shaw and two wrestling monsters.
http://i.imgur.com/prQD9.gif
Oh i think I can make it out now. That roundish glowing white thing is the engineer's head.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:42:22 AM
Now that I think about it, it looks more like this:
http://images.wikia.com/pathfinder/images/6/65/Shoggoth.jpeg
This one looks really close to it no? I mean imagine more appendages/tentacles with a longer length and that is pretty close no? The baby doesn't look similar but still - a crazy mass of tentacles seems to be the common element.
It is small but I think that is a good Shoggoth depiction/inspiration.
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and
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That creature was based on a Starbeast. It's a Starbeast. That creature is a Starbeast, okay?
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 20, 2012, 07:58:22 AM
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/WalkEvilTalk/Picture11-7.png
That creature was based on a Starbeast. It's a Starbeast. That creature is a Starbeast, okay?
THANK YOU for agreeing!
Time to trawl the work of Carlos Huante and find the best possible match...
Quote from: TyrantUA on May 20, 2012, 07:45:45 AM
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on May 20, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
Sorry it clearly looks like Shaw to me, could be wrong but I would bet my money on it... Anthony
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
Looks like it is just shaw to me guys, I can't see anything else besides what might be some debris being thrown about
If you will look closely, it's Shaw and two wrestling monsters.
http://i.imgur.com/prQD9.gif
Yep, I was wrong, couldnt make it out at first. Was to dark and to fast. Yeah definitely see squid thingy grabbing shaw after it already has the believed to be engineer. That is the engineer not the mutant guy for sure.
Also, it is just me, but if the ends up being the "final big reveal monster", is this sort of underwhelming? I mean, i know even though I got my hopes probably higher than it could have ever reached. And was for the longest hoping for some sort of Xeno to appear. But even then I guess I was wanting more, something more special. I know we havent see all of what it looks like or does but something besides a giant squid/octopus thing is what I was expecting, especially after the original Alien Xeno design we got from the original. I mean after first seeing that you just knew deep down inside that would be iconic. This just doesnt seem to be even close to iconic. Hopefully there is alot more to it you know.... Anthony
Ridley lost an incredible opportunity here.... there are no japanese schoolgirls in the flick... damn. :'(
to be fair, what we've seen is only a tiny, tiny, glimpse. we'll only see the complete creature when the film is released.
Quote from: AncientPred on May 20, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
to be fair, what we've seen is only a tiny, tiny, glimpse. we'll only see the complete creature when the film is released.
Unless they show it in a few days time ...
And once the movie is released - they will likely show more - ruining it for those who have a later release date and can't help but watch those trailers. :(
a good reason to see the movie as soon as possible
would yoü pls change my name in the news post...i am dendareloaded here, and i don't want my name to appear anywhere here...
if it's not me who is meant, pls sorry.
didn't notice the engineer either, which is engulfed by the tentacles, but he's not the creature, i mean , he is not mutating, in the room there are shaw, the engineer and another tentacle alien that has biologically nothing to do with him?
thx <3<3<3<3
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 08:13:08 AM
And once the movie is released - they will likely show more - ruining it for those who have a later release date and can't help but watch those trailers. :(
Too true. Got to avoid this section from the forums since I'm not able to see this movie (legally) before August. I still don't get why they pushed the release date so far back for Germany ...
Quote from: C91_SJ on May 20, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 08:13:08 AM
And once the movie is released - they will likely show more - ruining it for those who have a later release date and can't help but watch those trailers. :(
Too true. Got to avoid this section from the forums since I'm not able to see this movie (legally) before August. I still don't get why they pushed the release date so far back for Germany ...
Yeah - same here in Poland. The release is July 22nd. I thought that maybe in Poland they wanted to wait to see what the reaction would be as it is a fairly religious country. But if that is the case for Germany too - then I don't get it at all.
@Qwertify........ Props to you buddy for what you posted at Prom Forums dude. That was first class buddy and needed to be done. Much admiration.... Anthony
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 08:52:41 AM
Quote from: C91_SJ on May 20, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 08:13:08 AM
And once the movie is released - they will likely show more - ruining it for those who have a later release date and can't help but watch those trailers. :(
Too true. Got to avoid this section from the forums since I'm not able to see this movie (legally) before August. I still don't get why they pushed the release date so far back for Germany ...
Yeah - same here in Poland. The release is July 22nd. I thought that maybe in Poland they wanted to wait to see what the reaction would be as it is a fairly religious country. But if that is the case for Germany too - then I don't get it at all.
I`ve headr that our premiere is moved because Euro 2012 is heald at thesame time. What a bullshit ::)
Not looking at this ... wish they would stop revealing stuff, even glimpses.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 20, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Not looking at this ... wish they would stop revealing stuff, even glimpses.
Yeah unfortunately I think this is a little to much also. I really can not understand why they showed this with so much time left. The only thing I can see is that must be much more to this creature than just this. You can only see the beginning and the top part (head, shoulders, and arms) of the engineer. So I guess it is possible that this is only a tiny portion of the creature and there is much more.
Still this seems like quite alot to release so early on. Hell give me a few more days at this rate and I think I can literally piece the entire movie together from what has already been shown in just the clips, tv spots, and trailers lol.... Anthony
*****Not really but pretty damn close*******
I'm not watching this or anything anymore. None of the trailers or TV spots, features or documentaries. Trying my best to go in on June 1st with fresh eyes and ears : ) the same with TDKR.
Heyheyhey 0:47. That thing. Wooo. Tentacles. Curious for what it's going to look like full-grown.
Its growth speed reminds me of the Behemoth creature in the finale of HellBoy.
The tentacle-thing is clearly what Shaw gives birth to. And it doesn't like anyone it seems.
Engineer gunna get raepd.
Another check in the list regarding what twitter girl said.
Hi i can 100% tell you all that the engineer bald f**ker is getting his ass kicked by this Alien squid f**ker as i can clearly see it on my 50inch plasma Shaw, Engineer, Squid,3
way orgy fight.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 08:52:41 AM
... I thought that maybe in Poland they wanted to wait to see what the reaction would be as it is a fairly religious country. But if that is the case for Germany too - then I don't get it at all.
Really? Religious country? Like islamic countries? Don't be ridicoulus. There's no religouis censorship in Poland.
The case is EURO 2012.
Goddamit. I'm puilling my eyeballs out and keeping them in a glass jar for the next ten days...
i didn't see similarities between the hentai-thing in the trailer and the original space-tapir from bannon....
Wow... Cthulu starbeast vs Engineer vs Shaw
i heard a rumour, she lets it (of the room with the window?) out to deal with the engineer whos beating on her....
On a side note, these fake scripts that were doing the rounds appear to be looking more on the money, what with multiple tentacled beasts, (i think there was a harpoon tentacle beast, a STARBEAST, and a spider like beast.
Are any scripts now looking legit?
wait, so shaw lets the tentacle thing alone in the room and wants to handle the engineer itself?
"beating on her"???
sry i'm not english/american
Didn't that twitter girl say that tentacled creature impregnates people, seeming more legitimate now, did that jonesy or viscal guy give out more info from their "sources"? i'd certainly like to know if we see eggs and the original derelict ship
Oh my. Really starting to reveal quite a bit now they've committed to the R rating in US it feels to me.
Might duck out until I can see this sucker. Pity it's so tempting to check the site on a daily basis...
The more that I see of this, the more ridiculous it looks ......... so we go from Giger's superb designs in Alien to a damn tentacle monster in Prometheus?!?
Seems like imagination went out of the window with Prometheus ......... and yes, I know that I should wait until I see the whole film before judging it.
So, that's it is it... A giant squid? Is that all Ridley could come up with?
I seriously thought this movie was going to be amazing, now I can't even find the words to express how disappointed I am.
Hat, coat... Gone : (
So I guess the both of you have seen the film entirely?
Yeah, thought so.... ;) ::) ;D
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 11:31:51 AM
So I guess the both of you have seen the film entirely?
Yeah, thought so.... ;) ::) ;D
Typical isn't it.They see a tiny glimpe of a creature with tentacles and millions of fanboys cried out in anger and were suddenly silenced.
One solitary mollusc-like arm does not equal the Starbeast concept - or anything vaguely like it. That's like seeing a finger and assuming the rest of a human being must therefore look like a fleshy lobster. The thing could be an unattached Space Jockey-like trunk, for all we know.
Seriously, guys... We can extrapolate nothing of what the rest of it looks like. It's not even worth trying.
However, seeing this makes me wonder if there'll be some copying of 'Deep Rising': Everyone's assuming the cobra-like thing is a creature, in its own right. It might actually be a partial extension of a creature far larger, below the water's surface.
Ridley said he got his ideas from nature,it evolution in overdrive.
Quote from: Effectz on May 20, 2012, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 11:31:51 AM
So I guess the both of you have seen the film entirely?
Yeah, thought so.... ;) ::) ;D
Typical isn't it.They see a tiny glimpe of a creature with tentacles and millions of fanboys cried out in anger and were suddenly silenced.
A quote from War of the Worlds there I see. Another franchise I love!
I wont miss the fanboi's if they spit their dummies out and leave. It was fanbois who were responsible for the AvP movies so they wobt be missed.
I've eagerly sought spoilers but this clip has probably tipped me past the point of no return. A true money shot wasted on the craziest possible family reunion since AR's newborn maddness :laugh:
Perhaps baldie gets acid burns from fighting cuddles. His head seems fine here, and even though that previous clip clearly shows orangey lighting strong enough to color the floor, the eng's face and shoulders look both orange in color and burned/bubbley in texture.
So anxious for the 8th!
i remember when i said the creature would be a light colored tentacle thing and everyone was like "stfu" and "calm yo tiz"
and also the same source, which was right, posted that
Spoiler
the engineer in the ship(in the prometheus, NOT the juggernaut necessary, is weyland, who just took the suit of the alien and vickers is his real daughter who tires to sabotage the whole thing to take over control
BAM
let's see if i was right
ummm... first promo i regret watching tbh
why would they do this to us, they know we can't not look at spoilers >:(
and as for the
Spoiler
baby, the first thing it reminded me of was Behemoth
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 07:00:28 AM
They also just posted the 'rappelling' spot as well, not sure if it was added here already...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77isxdkb3J8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77isxdkb3J8#ws)
We arrived there this morning LoL good to know your on a secret mission and when you woke up you get to hear where you are and you will probably meet aliens who think they are Gods/engineers.
Yeah that would put me in a kinda hyperventilation stat ;D the first thing that would come to my mind: did we bring some guns.
i never understood why they explain the mission after they are on the planet.... or after they are on the ship, even if it was on earth
such secret missions aren't handled like that...
*shaw shows a starmap*
mohawk guy: "OMG IT'S A FECKIN STARMAAAAPPP!!!!!!1"
never understood this either. i hope they just edited it this bad in the trailer not in the movie...
ans also "we are here cos yoü gurls found a map inna ceeeiiiive?!" a bit strange how weyland industires informes their team, and also i think the whole "map in a cave thing" is a bit unrealisitic
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
i never understood why they explain the mission after they are on the planet.... or after they are on the ship, even if it was on earth
such secret missions aren't handled like that...
*shaw shows a starmap*
mohawk guy: "OMG IT'S A FECKIN STARMAAAAPPP!!!!!!1"
never understood this either. i hope they just edited it this bad in the trailer not in the movie...
ans also "we are here cos yoü gurls found a map inna ceeeiiiive?!" a bit strange how weyland industires informes their team, and also i think the whole "map in a cave thing" is a bit unrealisitic
Its not a map!!! its an invitation!!!
Quote from: Kronik on May 20, 2012, 11:30:37 AM
So, that's it is it... A giant squid? Is that all Ridley could come up with?
I seriously thought this movie was going to be amazing, now I can't even find the words to express how disappointed I am.
Hat, coat... Gone : (
Fanboi's Fanboi's
No Xenos no joys
Thrown out all their toys
Squiddies has got them all annoys
Poor fanboi's!
All sing along now! ;D
@infected
oh sry didn't hear that over the sound of rapace awesome cheeckbones
no srsly i find it a bit naiive how scott pulls it off with those elements
and can't these people with Tivo upload the clips online or something? i probably won't watch it, but you know, sharing is caring. rude :P
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Kronik on May 20, 2012, 11:30:37 AM
So, that's it is it... A giant squid? Is that all Ridley could come up with?
I seriously thought this movie was going to be amazing, now I can't even find the words to express how disappointed I am.
Hat, coat... Gone : (
Fanboi's Fanboi's
No Xenos no joys
Thrown out all their toys
Squiddies has got them all annoys
Poor fanboi's!
All sing along now! ;D
Yes but come on lets be honest that squid thing or the snake crap doesnt do it for me neither,
i expect more also from Ridley,so we just have to wait for it.
@DendaReloaded. Dunno i havent seen it yet premiere here is 31th of May.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Kronik on May 20, 2012, 11:30:37 AM
So, that's it is it... A giant squid? Is that all Ridley could come up with?
I seriously thought this movie was going to be amazing, now I can't even find the words to express how disappointed I am.
Hat, coat... Gone : (
Fanboi's Fanboi's
No Xenos no joys
Thrown out all their toys
Squiddies has got them all annoys
Poor fanboi's!
All sing along now! ;D
Yes but come on lets be honest that squid thing or the snake crap doesnt do it for me neither,
i expect more also from Ridley,so we just have to wait for it.
@DendaReloaded. Dunno i havent seen it yet premiere here is 31th of May.
I like squids and octopi! My interest has gone up after seeing this. You want to read up on Humbolt squids to see just how deadly dangerous squiddies can be. They make great white shark seem tame in comparison.
yoü don't have to see the whole movie for it.
i mean from the trailer it looks weird.
not realistic
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Kronik on May 20, 2012, 11:30:37 AM
So, that's it is it... A giant squid? Is that all Ridley could come up with?
I seriously thought this movie was going to be amazing, now I can't even find the words to express how disappointed I am.
Hat, coat... Gone : (
Fanboi's Fanboi's
No Xenos no joys
Thrown out all their toys
Squiddies has got them all annoys
Poor fanboi's!
All sing along now! ;D
Yes but come on lets be honest that squid thing or the snake crap doesnt do it for me neither,
i expect more also from Ridley,so we just have to wait for it.
@DendaReloaded. Dunno i havent seen it yet premiere here is 31th of May.
I like squids and octopi! My interest has gone up after seeing this. You want to read up on Humbolt squids to see just how deadly dangerous squiddies can be. They make great white shark seem tame in comparison.
I know they are,
they remind me of old movies and i do recall Ridley doing some underwater research for Prometheus back then.
I can also say i always thought the front of the Derelict had an old submarine look to it with those three weird looking windows.
Wasnt there a big huuuge squid in the end in the book in the mountain of madness or something?
Yeah. A squid like monster that was so evil and demonic it drove people mad to see it.
yoütube has seen 3 seconds of 4 tentacles and argue how bad the design team is... srsly
this was posted on another forum about the creature design by weta sounds very promising
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I believe that we were told, or I read some where that the creature would go through several stages before reaching whatever it would finally become. Squiddy isn't it I'm betting.
And by the way....no more tv spots for this niggah....I've seen quite enough.
squiddy had 4 stages
Which were?
1. Hammerpede
2. Small Squiddy
3. ?
4.?
hammerpede
small squiddy
big scuiddy
big alien (we don't know how they look, we had reports that they are feckin big)
Quote from: TyrantUA on May 20, 2012, 07:45:45 AM
Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on May 20, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
Sorry it clearly looks like Shaw to me, could be wrong but I would bet my money on it... Anthony
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
Looks like it is just shaw to me guys, I can't see anything else besides what might be some debris being thrown about
If you will look closely, it's Shaw and two wrestling monsters.
http://i.imgur.com/prQD9.gif
Definitely "At the mountains of madness" material. If that isn't a shoggoth, I don't know what is...
Well I must say, Ridley has stayed true to what he said about the movie in the beginning, so in my eyes there's no need for bashing him/his creature choices...
Oh and just to enfocre what I said:
has this been posted?
http://collider.com/at-the-mountains-of-madness-prometheus/164548/ (http://collider.com/at-the-mountains-of-madness-prometheus/164548/)
this aren't 2 monsters, but one squiddy and one engineer, yoü see his bald head, the shoulders etc if ya look closely
FINALLY... a comeback I can get behind!!
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Amazing so that creature is based on the proto-type xenomorph.
Thats great I could hardly wait to see more of it.
Am beginning to understand what those early screening reviewers meant by 'silly monsters'
Not at all impressed by that Manga style tentacle monster
Wow the creature really looks to take care of the Engineer.
Anyway it looks so obvious to me... :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugpg8XruhVk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugpg8XruhVk#ws)
I don't know if you guys have thought in this before but the Titans were the ones who created the gods.
After sometime they took their place.
In the Greek Mitology we have:
Titans(Prometheus, Cronus, Uranus...)
Olympians(Zeus, Hades, Poseidon...)
Mythological Beasts(Harpies, Cyclops, Minotaurs...)
Humans
We will have all of them in the movie or at least almost.
I know already how the beast will be, but well, i don't want to spoil the movie ;)
aaand from where do yoü think yoü know it?
You should refer to the 'Gods' as the 'Olympians' ...otherwise, it confuses people.
I've already gave a
clue to you guys :)
Just search for the answers in the greek mythology.
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
Olympians ...otherwise, it confuses people.
Fixed.
"Titans(Prometheus, Cronus, Uranus...)
Olympians(Zeus, Hades, Poseidon...)
Mythological Beasts(Harpies, Cyclops, Minotaurs...)
Humans"
i have no f**king clue where the clue is... harpies, cyclops and minotauri are nothing similar and i don't want to go through the full list
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Yep, big things have small beginnings. Oh and look at that, squiddy monsters on the side o the jar. I think the squid is just a run of the mill monster that the space jockey dispatches after a short struggle.
Squids and Octopi are wierd creatures. Some think they are scary, some think they are erotic, some think they are a bit of a joke.
nice to see Ridley is taking the series back to the influences of the Lovecraftverse where it once originated from (Gigers Necronomicon). at least that is how i see it :P
octopi are my favorite animals
awesome and shit
no srsly, they are the strangest looking creatures on earth, beautiful, but still different that the others
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
Squids and Octopi are wierd creatures. Some think they are scary, some think they are erotic, some think they are a bit of a joke.
They both make great bait for catching bigger fish. Maybe they cut off a tentacle and go fishing for huge aliens.
Spoiler
Hekatonkheires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekatonkheires)
"The Hekatonkheires were children of Gaia and Uranus"
Gaia = Shaw
Uranus = Holloway
Hekatonkheires ("Hundred-Handed Ones")
Hammerpede (http://lancaster.unl.edu/pest/images/CentipedeMillipede/gardncnt.jpg)
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 01:24:21 PM
squiddy had 4 stages
According to Dark Horizons, you're right:
Erich von Daniken's 1968 book "Chariots of the Gods" plays a bigger influence on the story than the "Alien" films; alternate names for the ship included Magellan, Paradise and Icarus;
the film's 'creature' goes through at least four different forms; and Noomi Rapace's Dr. Elizabeth Shaw character was originally named Elizabeth Watts but it was changed to avoid confusion with a Fox executive.
nah i would no fuse the hammerpede (which has no limbs) with squiddy nr.2...
Wow, the Engineer and the "tentacle squid" duking it out. It'll be a good fight.
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
FINALLY... a comeback I can get behind!!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/3934409490_9628bb46c8.jpg
Look at my signature banner!
I was right all along!
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(sorry, this was too tempting) ;)
Hahahaha ;D Squid-ward. IT all makes sense now!
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
i never understood why they explain the mission after they are on the planet.... or after they are on the ship, even if it was on earth
such secret missions aren't handled like that...
*shaw shows a starmap*
mohawk guy: "OMG IT'S A FECKIN STARMAAAAPPP!!!!!!1"
never understood this either. i hope they just edited it this bad in the trailer not in the movie...
ans also "we are here cos yoü gurls found a map inna ceeeiiiive?!" a bit strange how weyland industires informes their team, and also i think the whole "map in a cave thing" is a bit unrealisitic
Its not a map!!! its an invitation!!!
:_)
Given what we 'know' and what we've seen up to his point...
Spoiler
I wonder if the StarSquidBeastBaby attacks the 'Engineer' in defense of Shaw (its mother) and then grabs her because it doesn't want her to leave.
Or, perhaps the 'Eng' was just the closest victim and once it's done with him, she's next.
I'm getting very strange Alien:Res, Ripley/Newborn vibe here. I just hope it's handled better in this movie.
Maybe even this is "Sacrifice Engineer" and he jumps on the squid to fight it so Shaw can get away. Kinda like Parker did with Lambert, only she didn't exactly run away.
Remind me:
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Quote from: fakk3 on May 20, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Remind me:
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OOOOOOHHHHH...Poltergeist II!!!
Quote from: fakk3 on May 20, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Remind me:
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Holy crap. I have never seen that one before! :o
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:56:26 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 06:54:39 AM
Wow - that confirms that very early report about this thing being grown up.
We already had that confirmed months ago when we saw it's big ol' tentacle smack the window Noomi's looking through.
This totally sucks!! Giant tentacle monsters!! REALLY???? You have got to be kidding me!!!
Story: Inspired by Erik Von Daniken
Science: Non-existant
Exo-Biology:
Creature #1: Large blue human
Creature #2: Snake-like organism
Creature #3: Big beasty with lots of tentacles
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
H.R. Giger...why have you forsaken us?
C.E.L Level lowered to 3.0, and is staying there until I see this film with my own two eyes. I guess it is a good thing that my high expectations have been completely shattered in the past few weeks. >:( >:(
I think Sir Ridley has completely gone off the rails.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: fakk3 on May 20, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Remind me:
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Holy crap. I have never seen that one before! :o
Just another Hollywood film that screwed over Giger...
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Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: fakk3 on May 20, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Remind me:
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Holy crap. I have never seen that one before! :o
Just another Hollywood film that screwed over Giger...
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Giger would have designed a fine flying Polyp
it seems almost everyone gets infected with really different species what were held in the urns
I love everyone losing faith in something they haven't even seen yet.
And to anyone expecting the science in this movie to be sound....Really? You really go into a movie about giant aliens expecting that? Wow.
The creatures we've seen aren't very Giger; moreover, they aren't very inventive or exotic.
I'm a sucker for any sci-fi, so I'm gonna give a chance. But except for the snake-critter, I'm too a bit disappointed. Hope there's some weird/alien surprises though.
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 05:15:44 PM
The creatures we've seen aren't very Giger; moreover, they aren't very inventive or exotic.
I'm a sucker for any sci-fi, so I'm gonna give a chance. But except for the snake-critter, I'm too a bit disappointed. Hope there's some weird/alien surprises though.
You know the rules.
Just wait for the movie to come out.
You'd probably be less convincing without that intense Donald Southerland expression.
But, yeh...I'm waitin'...
Quote from: fiveways on May 20, 2012, 05:13:33 PM
I love everyone losing faith in something they haven't even seen yet.
And to anyone expecting the science in this movie to be sound....Really? You really go into a movie about giant aliens expecting that? Wow.
Yes, I expect a science-fiction movie to be, in general, scientifically sound...especially when the Director makes proud assertions of having consulted "extensively" with Nasa, as well as other scientific specialists.
As to your 2nd remark, I never expected this film to involve large blue men...until that was revealed in the trailers. Nor, did I expect the original Space Jockey concept to devolve into some "humanoid" in a suit. Despite that, I was hoping there might still be some unique, imaginative alien biology explored in this film. That is, until I just saw the giant tentacle beast...which quite possibly could be the most groan-worthy cliche (trope) in B-science fiction cinema.
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 05:15:44 PM
The creatures we've seen aren't very Giger; moreover, they aren't very inventive or exotic.
So far, I'd have to say that I agree with this.
Spoiler
I recall many of the people who helped produced Alien in 1979 admitted that they believed that the film success rested largely on the execution of the xenomorph design itself. They all seemed very thankful that they had Giger work on the film in this regard. Sadly, I believe that he was largely under-utilized for Prometheus...and now we have an alien with...tentacles.
Any alien with tentacles reminds me of those cheesy sci-fi films from the 1950's. It's just shy of having xenomorphs that outright fly imo.
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
After watching the .gif of the 'tentacle' shot, it looks like several frames might be missing, as it seems to skip here and there. Not sure if the .gif is to blame or the original footage.
And now for something completely different:
This place is starting to look like AICN with all the pre-movie bitching and whining. ::)
Makes me wonder if there's any crossover...
Yup. This thread is tremendous entertainment. The sky is indeed falling, according to some. Hilarious.
I really think some of you guys & gals really just want a straight up Alien movie - big guy, tail, carapace, bites faces off. Giger! Oh Giger!
*shakes head*
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
Because we were hoping to see really new aliens/monsters and not the simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
Because we were hoping to see really new aliens/monsters and not the simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing.
Wow! Is that what we've seen? I did not know that ...
I caught the new ad on Saturday night's Adult Swim (again). Unfortunately, it's not in HD (again), but it's better quality than the prior version that was recorded off of a tv screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGoxNOOUls# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGoxNOOUls#)
In nine hours of programming, Adult Swim only showed this ad once. They showed a more familiar Prometheus trailer multiple times. No wonder this one seems to be such a hard one to catch.
I'll put up a frame-by-frame account of the tentacle rape shortly. ;)
Quote from: zoidy on May 20, 2012, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
Because we were hoping to see really new aliens/monsters and not the simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing.
Wow! Is that what we've seen? I did not know that ...
With the we i mean my two eyes.
Quote from: LarsVader on May 20, 2012, 03:38:46 PM
Look at my signature banner!
I was right all along!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/LarsVader/Prometheus_Squarepants_01.jpg
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(sorry, this was too tempting) ;)
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA. Brilliant. :D
Quote from: Deuterium on May 20, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
This totally sucks!! Giant tentacle monsters!! REALLY???? You have got to be kidding me!!!
Story: Inspired by Erik Von Daniken
Science: Non-existant
Exo-Biology:
Creature #1: Large blue human
Creature #2: Snake-like organism
Creature #3: Big beasty with lots of tentacles
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
H.R. Giger...why have you forsaken us?
C.E.L Level lowered to 3.0, and is staying there until I see this film with my own two eyes. I guess it is a good thing that my high expectations have been completely shattered in the past few weeks. >:( >:(
Now, now Deuterium, we've only seen some naughty tentacles, not the beast they are attached to. I know it's likely Carlos Huante, and his stuff isn't fit to wipe Giger's ass, and will probably come out looking like yet another hackneyed video game boss, but let's give it a chance, at least in this department. The cobrahugger wasn't too bad, after all.
how i see the trailer
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looking forward to analyze the new more or less hd tv-spot...
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how i see the trailer
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This thread has more LOLz than it really should.
Starbeast is going to be kicking so much ass in this movie, can't f**king wait.
STABEAST!
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
You'd probably be less convincing without that intense Donald Southerland expression.
But, yeh...I'm waitin'...
It's BS!, I have not seen people act like this sinse Predators.
Just wait for the movie to come out to have a "REAL OPINION!".
Regarding the Star-beast. Ridley said this in a recent interview:
Quoteat least four different forms as it grows and changes
hmmm!
and where the feck do yoü see dan o bannons design in 3 tentacles?
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Quote from: mastermoon on May 20, 2012, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
You'd probably be less convincing without that intense Donald Southerland expression.
But, yeh...I'm waitin'...
It's BS!, I have not seen people act like this sinse Predators.
Just wait for the movie to come out to have a "REAL OPINION!".
I understand what you're saying but you can't really blame people for reacting negatively - do bear in mind that all that we've seen of the creatures
so far is pretty bloody rubbish.
Maybe it'll all look great when seen in the context of the film, but
so far the evidence isn't giving some of us much faith.
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Starbeast being a boss.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on May 20, 2012, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: zoidy on May 20, 2012, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
Because we were hoping to see really new aliens/monsters and not the simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing.
Wow! Is that what we've seen? I did not know that ...
Yes, that's what we saw. You didn't see it because you're a f**king idiot.
I wouldn't advise insulting other users. You have my sympathies.
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Get dat axe, Noomi!
Cut it off, cut it offfff!
She better do it quick, because if that Engineer is struggling to even move, no way that Noomi is going to survive seeing as how that thing is dead set on getting her.
Holy shit....
Hey, did anyone notice how the engineers head/shoulders display no 'damage' here, as otherwise seen in the clip where he grabs Shaw?
So, is he (and the creature) flamethrowed and the grab scene takes place after the one in the pics above?
Actually, Jones, I can blame people for being knee-jerk negative right now, because a) we've seen far, far too little to judge that thing from a corner of the screen and b) I don't think it looks rubbish at all.
Sometimes people go in with too many expectations and pre-conceived notions when they actually know very little about any of it, and that bugs. We know there are new monsters and that Giger could not possibly make them all, but we know the film draws heavily on his old works. We know other designers are employed but to immediately dismiss them as crap out of hand when we've really not seen their work for the film - I just can't get onboard with that at all. Me, I like the tentacles.
I am already a fan of Starbeast, don't see why this thing is getting all the hate. The only reason to be pissed is to have such a moment be spoiled, I personally had no freaking clue that it would be attacking the Engineer, then again for all we know it's not and it's just trying to get Noomi and is just slithering over the engineer. Anyway, doesn't matter Starbeast is my new favorite thing about this movie because I think it's f**king lovely.
Amazing! Stunningly retarded people already decrying the movie when all that's been released is a few minutes of actual movie footage. Effing pathetic. Must be obama supporters...
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
She better do it quick, because if that Engineer is struggling to even move, no way that Noomi is going to survive seeing as how that thing is dead set on getting her.
Unless, of course, it has other motivations...
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
She better do it quick, because if that Engineer is struggling to even move, no way that Noomi is going to survive seeing as how that thing is dead set on getting her.
Unless, of course, it has other motivations...
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It being dead set on getting her could very well be just that too. We don't know why, so that could be a possibility.
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 20, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
I don't even know what people are disappointed in really. We don't even see anything clearly except arms. It's like people are wanting to be disappointed?
Because we were hoping to see really new aliens/monsters and not the simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing.
Wow! Is that what we've seen? I did not know that ...
Yes, that's what we saw. You didn't see it because you're a f**king idiot.
Lol.
What I see there is ... something, but I don't know what it actually is. Is it a "
new alien/monster"? Or is it a "
simple squid jerry these onion rings are delicious thing"?
If only I had your insight, I'd know everything.
Big bald engineer looks awesome sexy mofo.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
Big bald engineer looks awesome sexy mofo.
Yup, the Shaw/engineer/thingy frames look excellent, to me. It's not even a spoiler, it asks more questions than it answers.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 20, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
Actually, Jones, I can blame people for being knee-jerk negative right now, because a) we've seen far, far too little to judge that thing from a corner of the screen and b) I don't think it looks rubbish at all.
Sometimes people go in with too many expectations and pre-conceived notions when they actually know very little about any of it, and that bugs. We know there are new monsters and that Giger could not possibly make them all, but we know the film draws heavily on his old works. We know other designers are employed but to immediately dismiss them as crap out of hand when we've really not seen their work for the film - I just can't get onboard with that at all. Me, I like the tentacles.
Fine, but look at it from another perspective - these trailers and TV Spots are supposed to be getting people interested in the film, yet the more that's revealed of the monsters, the less impressive it looks.
I completely agree that we shouldn't base the film on these brief clips, but let's go back a few months when everyone was wetting themselves with excitement when the very first trailer was shown. And now more clips are shown and some people
don't like what they see - do you see the contradiction here?
You can't have it both ways.
I
want this to be as great as Alien, but I'm getting a bad feeling about it, from the script and some of the actors to the APPARENTLY B movie monster designs.
Jonesthecat, you don't have to do what I'm about to ask, but since I have been gone over a year and only just came back to the forum last week, and I am currently actually finally getting into this movie. Is it possible if you can list some or all the things that have people not liking what they are seeing?
Again,just a request that doesn't need to be done, I just would like some perspective.
Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 20, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
I want this to be as great as Alien, but I'm getting a bad feeling about it, from the script and some of the actors to the APPARENTLY B movie monster designs.
It won't be as great as
ALIEN. In any way, shape or form. I wanted it to be too, and hoped it would be all through last year, but the more of it we've seen, the more it becomes apparent this will not be on the same level.
But it will still be
good. (I hope).
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 06:40:49 PM
Jonesthecat, you don't have to do what I'm about to ask, but since I have been gone over a year and only just came back to the forum last week, and I am currently actually finally getting into this movie. Is it possible if you can list some or all the things that have people not liking what they are seeing?
Again,just a request that doesn't need to be done, I just would like some perspective.
ShadowPred, go back a few pages in the forum and find the Official Griping thread I made. ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 20, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
I want this to be as great as Alien, but I'm getting a bad feeling about it, from the script and some of the actors to the APPARENTLY B movie monster designs.
It won't be as great as ALIEN. In any way, shape or form. I wanted it to be too, and hoped it would be all through last year, but the more of it we've seen, the more it becomes apparent this will not be on the same level.
But it will still be good. (I hope).
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 06:40:49 PM
Jonesthecat, you don't have to do what I'm about to ask, but since I have been gone over a year and only just came back to the forum last week, and I am currently actually finally getting into this movie. Is it possible if you can list some or all the things that have people not liking what they are seeing?
Again,just a request that doesn't need to be done, I just would like some perspective.
ShadowPred, go back a few pages in the forum and find the Official Griping thread I made. ;)
Alright then.
But you haven't read the script - or really seen any of the actors in action or the monsters, except the hammerpede, which I've seen virtually no objection to.
You're also stating your opinion as fact. IMO the trailers and TV spots have not made the film look less impressive. That's how it makes you feel, that's fine, but that's not fact. None of our frankly ill-informed opinions are. We're all a vacuum onto ourselves - just look at the split opinion on the score, after the insistence that Marc Streitenfeld would debase the legacy of Alien forever because...Ridley Scott uses him a lot.
LOL excellent, tentacles equal a B movie design.
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Yeah, definitely!!
You guys, you guys.. This isn't JUST a monster movie anymore. Your focusing in on a small part of this newer approach to this possibly new series of movies.
Besides, the engineer is the coolest monster in this flick, along with his suit, how cool is that gonna be to see him join with it!!
Quote from: zoidy on May 20, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
Big bald engineer looks awesome sexy mofo.
Yup, the Shaw/engineer/thingy frames look excellent, to me. It's not even a spoiler, it asks more questions than it answers.
Very curious how that squid thing looks like,
Lindelof,Ridley and Spaihts really let loose an squid/arachnid? lol but on the other hand messed up creations with that goo can look like anything.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 19, 2012, 09:13:18 PM
Here it is, folks--a thread of your own to vent your dislikes, reservations and apprehensions about Prometheus: its story, the trailers, everything.
I'll start:
--Logan Marshall-Green in the trailers, and I don't like how silly some of the costumes for the crew are (Rafe Spall, wtf).
--The massive doses of glaringly obvious CGI.
--The magical hologram vidscreen technology. Ugh. Not present in ANY of the original installments in the series.
--The overall shiny clean-ness of everything. Once again, CGI. >:(
--The 3D. Having witnessed it myself, it is very distracting and takes away from the otherwise excellent visuals.
--Marc Streitenfeld. Why Ridley, why? I know scores aren't your strong point, but Elliot Goldenthal ain't dead yet.
--The TRON-ish yellow/blue color scheme.
--Dodgy accents from Guy Pearce in the TED Talk and Idris Elba in the trailers.
--The von Daniken "We found these star maps in a cave, tee hee" stuff. I'm fine with the Jockeys creating mankind, but couldn't it have been discovered in a way that wasn't so...tired?
Everything else gets a hesitant thumbs up from me ;)
Now it's your turn!
I can understand why these are all valid things to not like, but I personally cannot find a reason to agree with any of this. There were times where some of the stuff in that post; that I myself was feeling off about, but I've to accept it. Luckily I like what I'm seeing, and that's only going to add to my experience when watching it...or is it possibly bias? Hmm.
I've never understood the outrage over using Von Daniken's crazy old tosh in a science-fiction movie, just because he was a hack. It pre-dates him. It's an old concept, basically Lovecraft - a big influence on Dan O'Bannon - and very worth exploring. It's a movie. It's fiction and horror.
This is also a series that has had ships with sound effects in outer space before, so let's not pretend it's been wholly scientifically accurate.
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I love everyone losing faith in something they haven't even seen yet.
And to anyone expecting the science in this movie to be sound....Really? You really go into a movie about giant aliens expecting that? Wow.
Yes, I expect a science-fiction movie to be, in general, scientifically sound...especially when the Director makes proud assertions of having consulted "extensively" with Nasa, as well as other scientific specialists.
As to your 2nd remark, I never expected this film to involve large blue men...until that was revealed in the trailers. Nor, did I expect the original Space Jockey concept to devolve into some "humanoid" in a suit. Despite that, I was hoping there might still be some unique, imaginative alien biology explored in this film. That is, until I just saw the giant tentacle beast...which quite possibly could be the most groan-worthy cliche (trope) in B-science fiction cinema.
Deuterium...
THIS means SOMETHING...This is IMPORTANT!!!
...unless you're secretly Harlan Ellison ( in which case Ridley can expect a C&D order ANY MINUTE as he wrote EVERYTHING)...Science Fiction still involves the word 'FICTION'...and the trailers have shown AT MOST less than 10 minutes...
Let's ALL take a deep breath and wait for a real review (or failing THAT, see it with our own occular organs...)
...not that eyes are organs, but I digress.
I'll never understand the apparent urge that people have to bitch and whine about everything, like if they can do it any better than Ridley himself.
My question exactly....
Just what have we seen? Hints, glimpses, but NOTHING that reveals in full the creatures with the exception of the Engineers, and still, they're blurry at best.
I want to be careful so as to let everyone air their opinions without inadvertently invalidating them...but I struggle with the logic of some of the comments I read as opposed to the actual comments themselves.
It's not that I want people to smile and drink the "it's awesome" kool aid with everything they see, but I suppose I see a general lack of faith but not based in anything substantial. The creatures may look terrible in their final stage, who knows...I'm ready to admit that.....AFTER I have every single in image in absolute context.
I tend to be a bit cynical about some of what I read because it comes off like seeing a certain color and proclaiming 'I don't like that color' and then condemning the rest of the canvass before I see how the color in question is used in context.
I also believe that Ridley Scott is no perfect director. He has just a chance of getting Prometheus right as he does getting it all terribly wrong...but that said, and in his favor...we have more reasons to think the best of him and his creative decisions then to think otherwise.
That's my .02
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
THIS means SOMETHING...This is IMPORTANT!!!
".. eet ees an event socialogique..."
"zay belong 'ere more zan we"
Quote from: Ned Stark on May 20, 2012, 07:02:25 PM
I'll never understand the apparent urge that people have to bitch and whine about everything, like if they can do it any better than Ridley himself.
Nah still very wanting to see this movie and probably gonna like the whole thing too.
but your right people can get very negative with these things,unfortunately.
Have you people forgot that A L I E N was just inches away from being a B monster movie directed by Roger Corman!? It was only a chance reading of O'Bannon's and Schuset's script at 20th Century Fox that saved it. Ridley and Giger elevated it to the next level. But at it's core A L I E N is still a B monster movie in an old dark house. Ridley has earned the benefit of the doubt, and he will not disappoint. You need to keep your nerd rage at a minimum.
Oh, I think almost everything Ridley's made in the last decade or so is crap with the exception of Kingdom of Heaven, and I guess Black Hawk Down which I still found vastly overrated. I also thought White Squall was hilarious, but beautiful for the homoerotic eye candy. And I have never liked Black Rain or Someone to Watch Over Me, despite some gorgeous visuals.
That said, when he's on, he's on, and when he's good he's good, and this still looks very good to me.
I'm just gonna go with what I said in the interview Rick Grimes did with me. If you wanna give Prometheus a fair chance, you need to park some of those pre-determined mindsets outside when you enter the theater upon first viewing.
Otherwise, if you are expecting the film to follow the beats and storyline you've put together inside your own mind for it to be good or acceptable, you are setting yourself up for a disappointing experience, no matter what the film has to offer.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
I'm just gonna go with what I said in the interview Rick Grimes did with me. If you wanna give Prometheus a fair chance, you need to park some of those pre-determined mindsets outside when you enter the theater upon first viewing.
Otherwise, if you are expecting the film to follow the beats and storyline you've put together inside your own mind for it to be good or acceptable, you are setting yourself up for a disappointing experience, no matter what the film has to offer.
I absolutely agree.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
I'm just gonna go with what I said in the interview Rick Grimes did with me. If you wanna give Prometheus a fair chance, you need to park some of those pre-determined mindsets outside when you enter the theater upon first viewing.
Otherwise, if you are expecting the film to follow the beats and storyline you've put together inside your own mind for it to be good or acceptable, you are setting yourself up for a disappointing experience, no matter what the film has to offer.
What interview?
Tentacles? Homage to B-movie. As also the retrò style of astronaut suits .
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looking forward to analyze the new more or less hd tv-spot...
LMAO
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 06:13:20 PM
Starbeast being a boss.
ikr! i love it.
and it clearly has legs/arms other than the tentacles. i'm loving all of this rn
Quote from: Lord Freezer on May 20, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Tentacles? Homage to B-movie. As also the retrò style of astronaut suits .
Best parts.
Quote from: Lord Freezer on May 20, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Tentacles? Homage to B-movie. As also the retrò style of astronaut suits .
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Exactly what i see in the derelict those three windows make it look like something from a Flash Gordon sci-fi.
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 20, 2012, 12:10:56 PM
A quote from War of the Worlds there I see. Another franchise I love!
Ah, that would actually be a reference to Star Wars. Not War of the Worlds.
I'm all for alien squids, given i'm now without an upcoming 'Mountains of Madness' adaptation to look forward to, the more Cthulhu-esque the better.
Besides the creature design isn't indicative of the films ultimate quality. Afterall, the xenomorphs in Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem looked great and that film was complete shite.
Quote from: Spider-pope on May 20, 2012, 07:24:34 PM
Afterall, the xenomorphs in Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem looked great
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Also....readying Prometheus for comparisons is also setting up the film to fail. Period. Prometheus should work on its own, and in a perfect world, there should be no blatant comparisons. That's like after having a son, and while pregnant with the second comparing the fetus to first child based off how it kicks in utero and then, to make matters worse, thinking "he won't be like the first one, I'm already disappointed."
It's ludicrous. :) :o ??? ::) :P :laugh: ;D :D ;)
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
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Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
No, everyone here has posted it up like crazy anyway. So post as many gifs/images you have of Starbeast
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
SJ/Engineer getting manhandled like a bitch lol
i wonder if it's going to be on Shaw's side, like, protective of her.
like the baby mutant xeno in Requiem was to Ripley
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
i wonder if it's going to be on Shaw's side, like, protective of her.
like the baby mutant xeno in Requiem was to Ripley
Uh, that was
Resurrection.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
Im wondering what if these tentacles are from a far more larger monster that is outside the ship,
something really really huge.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
i wonder if it's going to be on Shaw's side, like, protective of her.
like the baby mutant xeno in Requiem was to Ripley
Some people just cant distinguish the bad from the shit :D
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Spider-pope on May 20, 2012, 07:24:34 PM
Afterall, the xenomorphs in Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem looked great
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/15i3las.gif
Hey i liked 'em, they were your bog standard Alien aliens. This is of course not counting the Predalien thing.
Although it strikes me that with a tiny change to the soundtrack during this sequence, we could end up with a very, very different film.
"Hello Mr. Squidward, i'm the Engineer i'm here to fix your photocopier. My it's hot in here, do you mind if i loosen my bio-mechanical suit?"
Bom-chicka-wahwah.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
What interview?
Rick interviewed me for the
Inside The Members Studio thread some time ago ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
i wonder if it's going to be on Shaw's side, like, protective of her.
like the baby mutant xeno in Requiem was to Ripley
Uh, that was Resurrection.
lol oops
Ah, this seems to be one of those days when my pendulum is swinging back to being protective of '
Prometheus', rather than critical. :)
As I said earlier, we really have no idea what that/those arm(s) are attached to and they could just as easily be some form of trunk as anything else. If they make this genuinely lovecraftian and we see some sort of horrifying squid/mantis/arachnid hybrid thing, I'm all for that. So long as it looks like it would be vicious instead of a mess.
With that said, I believe the 'arm' would've looked better (and also more iconic) if it had a biomechanical aesthetic, instead of looking like smooth flesh. Think Sil's long segmented hair, from '
Species'. Something which looks like it could withstand a blade cutting it in half. Then again, maybe it's still relatively young and comes to be exoskeletal.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
I was tempted to request it at the start of this, but the subject title's got a spoiler notice in it, so... I'm thinking not.
The tentacles seem to be coming 'down' onto the Eng.
So either this thing is taller than the corridors -or- it's hanging from (or crawling on) the ceiling.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 20, 2012, 07:43:04 PM
Some people just cant distinguish the bad from the shit :D
lol i'm such a loser
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Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
What interview?
Rick interviewed me for the Inside The Members Studio thread some time ago ;)
Are u a famous person?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
Ah, this seems to be one of those days when my pendulum is swinging back to being protective of 'Prometheus', rather than critical. :)
As I said earlier, we really have no idea what that/those arm(s) are attached to and they could just as easily be some form of trunk as anything else. If they make this genuinely lovecraftian and we see some sort of horrifying squid/mantis/arachnid hybrid thing, I'm all for that. So long as it looks like it would be vicious instead of a mess.
With that said, I believe the 'arm' would've looked better (and also more iconic) if it had a biomechanical aesthetic, instead of looking like smooth flesh. Think Sil's long segmented hair, from 'Species'. Something which looks like it could withstand a blade cutting it in half. Then again, maybe it's still relatively young and comes to be exoskeletal.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
I was tempted to request ti at the start of this, but the subject title's got a spoiler notice in it, so... I'm thinking not.
Exactly.
Why so much hate? You guys have seen only a small part of the body of the creature and are assuming it to be an Mollusc.It don't make sense, it's paranoid delusion :-X
The movie looks fine and i even venture to say that we can trust Ridley Scott this time.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:50:51 PM
Are u a famous person?
I don't know. I think "Infamous" fits better. :D I kid. I kid...
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
You female?
...
"It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!"
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
You female?
Fo sho bra, we be femalez up in hee-yuh! :P
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
That may be dumb of me, but I just noticed the tentacle guy is actually attacking the humanoid thing. VERY cool.
I know it's just tentacle, and like Xenomorphine said, they could be attached to any number of cool creature designs that exists just out of frame. But I'm not wowed, or left wondering about the function of the elements on display.
Looks like a regular At the Mountains of Madness throw down behind Shaw there.
This is the first piece of Prometheus I feel I wished I hadn't seen. :-\
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 20, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
I know it's just tentacle, and like Xenomorphine said, they could be attached to any number of cool creature designs that exists just out of frame. But I'm not wowed, or left wondering about the function of the elements on display.
Looks like a regular At the Mountains of Madness throw down behind Shaw there.
This is the first piece of Prometheus I feel I wished I hadn't seen. :-\
The downturn in your hype has begun.
Nice,never encountered any alien female fanatics :)
@OpenMaw,i hope they arent mistaken for a man in real life. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
The downturn in your hype has begun.
Why should it do that?
That's actually something that increased my hype, which dropped spectacularly in the last months.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 20, 2012, 08:04:06 PM
That may be dumb of me, but I just noticed the tentacle guy is actually attacking the humanoid thing. VERY cool.
Comparing the size of Shaw's head to it's head, it doesn't look that small. It is lower to the ground and covered in Hentai, though. That'll make even Batman look "small."
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
The downturn in your hype has begun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaA2eKABuEE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaA2eKABuEE#)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 20, 2012, 08:04:06 PM
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
That may be dumb of me, but I just noticed the tentacle guy is actually attacking the humanoid thing. VERY cool.
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Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 08:07:30 PM
Nice,never encountered any alien female fanatics :)
The times, they are changing. Now it's not only the men who can be awkward social misfits obsessively devoted to a dark sci-fi horror franchise.
Truly a glorious victory for feminism.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 08:07:30 PM
Nice,never encountered any alien female fanatics :)
The times, they are changing. Now it's not only the men who can be awkward social misfits obsessively devoted to a dark sci-fi horror franchise.
Truly a glorious victory for feminism.
Thank God for that,or Satan?
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
Comparing the size of Shaw's head to it's head, it doesn't look that small.
Ha, sorry for deleting that part of my post.
Either way, I was referring to the supposed '3 meters (or something) tall' engineers. That one (which is showed in another shot) seems to be human sized. It either is able to change sizes or it's something else.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 20, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
I know it's just tentacle, and like Xenomorphine said, they could be attached to any number of cool creature designs that exists just out of frame. But I'm not wowed, or left wondering about the function of the elements on display.
Looks like a regular At the Mountains of Madness throw down behind Shaw there.
This is the first piece of Prometheus I feel I wished I hadn't seen. :-\
The downturn in your hype has begun.
I think Bat Chain desires more topless women with wolf heads ;)
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 20, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
I know it's just tentacle, and like Xenomorphine said, they could be attached to any number of cool creature designs that exists just out of frame. But I'm not wowed, or left wondering about the function of the elements on display.
Looks like a regular At the Mountains of Madness throw down behind Shaw there.
This is the first piece of Prometheus I feel I wished I hadn't seen. :-\
The downturn in your hype has begun.
I think Bat Chain desires more topless women with wolf heads ;)
Oh my Sig? No ... that's just the dating scene in my neck of the woods.
My hype is at full staff. I just wished I hadn't seen that wrestling match. Because now I feel like I know how Shaw gets away. From a little help from her first born calamari.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
do i have to put it under a spoiler tag?
http://i.imgur.com/28NCv.gif
i guess they have locked it up somewhere, then when the fight begins between shaw and the engineer she releases the kraken when she realises she's got no chance
"its a goddam zoo out there" and also in that temple...
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Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
then when the fight begins between shaw and the engineer she releases the kraken when she realises she's got no chance
I.. you are awesome.
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:55:13 PMYou female?
Eva is. Cvalda could be anything :laugh:
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 07:03:39 PM
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
THIS means SOMETHING...This is IMPORTANT!!!
".. eet ees an event socialogique..."
"zay belong 'ere more zan we"
Wrong..."Zey belong ére Mozambique"
Quote from: escroto on May 20, 2012, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:55:13 PMYou female?
Eva is. Cvalda could be anything :laugh:
Spoiler
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Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
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:laugh: :laugh:
More.
MORE.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
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Love the cgi in this film so far, them faces look so real :D
so much emotion rapace puts into the character....
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: escroto on May 20, 2012, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 20, 2012, 07:55:13 PMYou female?
Eva is. Cvalda could be anything :laugh:
Spoiler
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So...I guess not female...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IowVQuZrIJk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IowVQuZrIJk#ws)
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
So...I guess not female...
Could be anything.Newborn joke fail.
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Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
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:D
I wonder...where are the goddamn biomechanoids?!
starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
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starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
I wonder...where are the goddamn biomechanoids?!
Well one`s on the ground being shagged by generic tentacle-hentai squid.
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sry couldn't resist
I'm still excited for the flick, but I was hoping it was going more in the direction of that giant giger Alien bird thing someone posted a while back. Tentacle monster, really?
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
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sry couldn't resist
:laugh:
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on May 20, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
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starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
Can someone please enlighten me about starbeast ? :) guess my brain isn't completely updated...
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
I wonder...where are the goddamn biomechanoids?!
I have kind of the same feeling m8, i'm worried about nothing with this movie exept for the creature designs.
bi†ches say that the original design of the starbeast is similar to the hentai-octopus
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Could be anything.
Newborn joke fail.
Personally I was going to go with the obvious terminator joke.
"Cybernetic Organism." 8)
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Quote from: Snowdog on May 20, 2012, 08:59:43 PM
Can someone please enlighten me about starbeast ? :) guess my brain isn't completely updated...
Starbeast was Ron Cobb's attempt at a creature design for Alien. He was the guy who conceptualized all the interior/exterior of the ship. He even tried to do The Derelict at one point I think.
Starbeast is also the original title for Alien, which O'bannon hated.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
so much emotion rapace puts into the character....
oh she does for sure, every time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lc1-LW_RWw#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lc1-LW_RWw#noexternalembed-ws)
40:00 ::)
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Wedge: "Look at the size of that thing!"
Red Leader: "Cut the chatter, Red Two."
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 07:59:43 AM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 20, 2012, 07:58:22 AM
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/WalkEvilTalk/Picture11-7.png
That creature was based on a Starbeast. It's a Starbeast. That creature is a Starbeast, okay?
THANK YOU for agreeing!
Except it looks nothing like the "starbeast" concept art you posted, it's more like the Shoggoth of Lovecraftian myth as I and another poster pointed out. From what little we a can see, it is more bloblike and has TONS of tentacles something that the Starbeast concept art lacks aside from the Bipedal nature of the creature.
That said it is a bit vague at the moment, so I'll probably(and Now I am sounding like a broken record lol) reserve proper judgement for the movie.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 20, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
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Can't they just...
Spoiler
phone... home...? :P
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Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Could be anything.
Newborn joke fail.
Personally I was going to go with the obvious terminator joke.
"Cybernetic Organism." 8)
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Quote from: Snowdog on May 20, 2012, 08:59:43 PM
Can someone please enlighten me about starbeast ? :) guess my brain isn't completely updated...
Starbeast was Ron Cobb's attempt at a creature design for Alien. He was the guy who conceptualized all the interior/exterior of the ship. He even tried to do The Derelict at one point I think.
Starbeast is also the original title for Alien, which O'bannon hated.
thanks i'm starting to remember that i looked that up a couple of years ago but thanks for the info ;D
Christ... had forgotten how awful that full body newborn design really is...
I await the eventual Squidbaby attack/"Bad Romance" youtube mashups.
For fans of history....
http://www.danielmartineckhart.com/2012/05/from-starbeast-to-alien.html (http://www.danielmartineckhart.com/2012/05/from-starbeast-to-alien.html)
...except this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH Starbeast...the names O'Bannon/ Shussett had for the crew are WELL known...
i dont see why everyones flipping out and being so damn negative, we have NO IDEA what it could possibly be. for all we know it could be a form of proto creature that the engineers had created that WASNT the xenomorph.
In memoriam Jean Giraud, AKA Moebius.
This is a panel from the Long Tomorrow, written by Dan O'Bannon. In that scene, the hero has sex with a beautiful blonde girl when she suddenly turns into a squid-like alien spy from Arcturus. Ridley Scott wanted to make a film adaptation of that strip but couldn't get the rights, then he turned to the Hampton Fancher script that was the basis for Blade Runner.
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That weird image of Shaw freed from the Engineer's grasp by a tentacled creature conjured up a memory from my youth. This is from a Wallace Wood story published in Vampirella. The girl is about to be raped by a fellow astronaut. She is rescued by a typical tentacled, stalk-eyed monstrosity which turns out to possess the soul of her long-disappeared husband.
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I believe we have a similar situation in Prometheus. That lovecraftian abomination is either a terminally mutated Holloway or the child that was born from Shaw and Holloway's union after his DNA was altered. Otherwise, why would it come to her help ? The love bond between these partners must be central to the story.
Maybe we'll be treated with scenes redolent of Philip Jose Farmer's The Lovers. This is for sure gonna be heavy on sexual or Freudian content.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
Christ... had forgotten how awful that full body newborn design really is...
If it had a half-eaten kebab in hand, she might be more recognisable. I seem to remember on a LOOOOOOOOOOONG Saturday night...
I've NEVER seen this thing before. :o
Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on May 20, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
In memoriam Jean Giraud, AKA Moebius.
This is a panel from the Long Tomorrow, written by Dan O'Bannon. In that scene, the hero has sex with a beautiful blonde girl when she suddenly turns into a squid-like alien spy from Arcturus. Ridley Scott wanted to make a film adaptation of that strip but couldn't get the rights, then he turned to the Hampton Fancher script that was the basis for Blade Runner.
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That weird image of Shaw freed from the Engineer's grasp by a tentacled creature conjured up a memory from my youth. This is from a Wallace Wood story published in Vampirella. The girl is about to be raped by a fellow astronaut. She is rescued by a typical tentacled, stalk-eyed monstrosity which turns out to possess the soul of her long-disappeared husband.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1205.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb433%2Fjimmyduk%2FWallaceWoodBEM2.jpg&hash=c6900f9aad89d5d9c57b06e9eb8f97c33b407c2e)
I believe we have a similar situation in Prometheus. That lovecraftian abomination is either a terminally mutated Holloway or the child that was born from Shaw and Holloway's union after his DNA was altered. Otherwise, why would it come to her help ? The love bond between these partners must be central to the story.
Maybe we'll be treated with scenes redolent of Philip Jose Farmer's The Lovers. This is for sure gonna be heavy on sexual or Freudian content.
Very good post. Interesting ideas. But the creature looks like it might be attack Shaw, the way it grabs her leg, so I don't know if its a good theory to go by. But sure is another interesting link between Prometheus and older movie history. :)
Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on May 20, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
In memoriam Jean Giraud, AKA Moebius.
This is a panel from the Long Tomorrow, written by Dan O'Bannon. In that scene, the hero has sex with a beautiful blonde girl when she suddenly turns into a squid-like alien spy from Arcturus. Ridley Scott wanted to make a film adaptation of that strip but couldn't get the rights, then he turned to the Hampton Fancher script that was the basis for Blade Runner.
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That weird image of Shaw freed from the Engineer's grasp by a tentacled creature conjured up a memory from my youth. This is from a Wallace Wood story published in Vampirella. The girl is about to be raped by a fellow astronaut. She is rescued by a typical tentacled, stalk-eyed monstrosity which turns out to possess the soul of her long-disappeared husband.
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This connection occurred to me earlier, good man.
And it don't matter when it's Arcturian baby.
@szkoki
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Wow I would not want to be that guy from the story "The Long Tomorrow" what a nightmare.
I also just want to say that judging from those caps of the Engineer being grabbed/pulled/thrown/whatever by the nasty beastie looks BIG.
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 20, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
But I'm not wowed, or left wondering about the function of the elements on display.
Creature-wise, we
reeeeeally haven't seen much, at all...
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 08:09:47 PM
The times, they are changing. Now it's not only the men who can be awkward social misfits obsessively devoted to a dark sci-fi horror franchise.
Truly a glorious victory for feminism.
How
dare you insinuate wiminz have interest in a cinematic franchise typified by a strong female lead. >:(
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Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
Personally I was going to go with the obvious terminator joke.
"Cybernetic Organism." 8)
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Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
So you are saying Holloway had a run in with this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworld.guns.ru%2Fuserfiles%2Fimages%2Fmachine%2Fmg58%2Fvickers_mk1-1.jpg&hash=82c3123059d5551d0afc4f7d70a6ed3c2ff31541)
:D Bonus points if you know the name of it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 09:58:41 PM
How dare you insinuate wiminz have interest in a cinematic franchise typified by a strong female lead. >:(
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/AVP/Ripley8Disapproval.jpg
If only more of them did.
If only more of them did. :'(
Vickers Machine Gun. Tearing up trenches since 1912. ;)
Anybody thought that Shoggoth is a giant version of the Facehugger?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 09:58:41 PM
How dare you insinuate wiminz have interest in a cinematic franchise typified by a strong female lead. >:(
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/AVP/Ripley8Disapproval.jpg
If only more of them did. If only more of them did. :'(
We need more nerdy girls for us nerdy dudes.
Besides, Alien is a masterpiece of Science Fiction cinema everyone should be strapped into a chair A Clockwork Orange style and forced to watch this brilliant film.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 20, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Vickers Machine Gun. Tearing up trenches since 1912. ;)
Anybody thought that Shoggoth is a giant version of the Facehugger?
That's bringing up memories of Alien "porn" I was subjected to that i'd rather not want to recollect...
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:10:06 PM
We need more nerdy girls for us nerdy dudes.
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
So you are saying Holloway had a run in with this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworld.guns.ru%2Fuserfiles%2Fimages%2Fmachine%2Fmg58%2Fvickers_mk1-1.jpg&hash=82c3123059d5551d0afc4f7d70a6ed3c2ff31541)
:D Bonus points if you know the name of it.
...it might help if you changed the name and saved it elsewhere...
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:10:06 PM
We need more nerdy girls for us nerdy dudes.
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Hey, not desperate or anything... just *cough* saying...
Where's my coat?
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Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 20, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Vickers Machine Gun. Tearing up trenches since 1912. ;)
Anybody thought that Shoggoth is a giant version of the Facehugger?
Nice, you got the Vickers Machinegun. :D
Well, biologically speaking Shoggoths are unlike anything in current fiction to be honest.
They were created by the Elder Things for menial labor, they are essentially formless plasticy, foetid monstrostities that are constantly forming and unforming orifices, limbs, eyes, and various organs. They are also pretty big, something like 15-25 meters or larger(50-100ft or more in diameter), they don't need to eat but they will digest just about anything(and get this, their digestive leavings are freaking Electrified and highly corrosive but not the same as acid) when they attack something they pull it into their semi translucent mass and "suck" it apart or they crush it.
They are apparently capable of minor speech as well(as mentioned in ATMOM).
They don't or can't reproduce by normal means, prefering to divide like amoeba if they are able(usually, they are not able).
But as for Mr.Tentacle beast, perhaps he is the progenitor(or becomes the progenitor) for the facehugger/xenomorph species.
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-2N3N2QRcNG8%2FT5tVaHNpgOI%2FAAAAAAAADGU%2F1WvLvfta7iU%2Fs320%2FAliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png&hash=545583885521f68d62ee4c8e56081b6cab9f07af)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s320/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
I'm not being facetious either, I've had gay people get mad at me for calling them gay when referring to their sexuality. I don't care personally, sexuality has no bearing on my opinion of someone or how I'd treat them. ;)
Let's have a speed dating meet up. :D AVP Galaxy First Annual Speed Dating Meet and Greet. :D
Joking of course.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
Who, me? Nah.
Spoiler
Well, unless we're talkin' bout Eva 8)
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s320/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
I'm not being facetious either, I've had gay people get mad at me for calling them gay when referring to their sexuality. I don't care personally, sexuality has no bearing on my opinion of someone or how I'd treat them. ;)
Let's have a speed dating meet up. :D AVP Galaxy First Annual Speed Dating Meet and Greet. :D
Joking of course.
...must be a CHICK-THING...
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s320/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
I'm not being facetious either, I've had gay people get mad at me for calling them gay when referring to their sexuality. I don't care personally, sexuality has no bearing on my opinion of someone or how I'd treat them. ;)
Let's have a speed dating meet up. :D AVP Galaxy First Annual Speed Dating Meet and Greet. :D
Joking of course.
Yep bona fide bender or poof, as my old school chums used to refer to me. Those were the days...
Not really out (he said on a forum read by, what, tens of people? :laugh:) and don't really do anything about it. Hence, 40 and still single...
:'(
Plus, a face that would make a xeno sh*t itself doesn't help.
Tentacles! Oh shit. Pretty cool. Upset that I didn't have the self control to remain unspoiled. WHATEVER
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:26:41 PM
Not really out (he said on a forum read by, what, tens of people? :laugh:) and don't really do anything about hence. Hence, 40 and still single...
:'(
Plus, a face that would make a xeno sh*t itself doesn't help.
:(
Aww, don't worry. You ain't missing out on much. :-\
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s320/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
I'm not being facetious either, I've had gay people get mad at me for calling them gay when referring to their sexuality. I don't care personally, sexuality has no bearing on my opinion of someone or how I'd treat them. ;)
Let's have a speed dating meet up. :D AVP Galaxy First Annual Speed Dating Meet and Greet. :D
Joking of course.
Yep bona fide bender or poof, as my old school chums used to refer to me. Those were the days...
Not really out (he said on a forum read by, what, tens of people? :laugh:) and don't really do anything about hence. Hence, 40 and still single...
:'(
Plus, a face that would make a xeno sh*t itself doesn't help.
Oh I was talking about Cvalda, and for some reason I thought you were a chick too lol.
Sorry to hear that man, best wishes and such. I'm 21 and I still really haven't had a proper/decent/true relationship with a good woman It's tough but I've found that rushing into things and choosing the wrong people isn't a good idea.
You'll find someone, there are people out there for us all we just gotta wade through the crap first. You just gotta put yourself out there and say "Here I am" like me, love me, or hate me.
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 09:50:54 PM
@szkoki
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2oJq7.gif&hash=b964910c75abeab8cfa5ab9712724db9f53222a7)
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HBdRCroks
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
Sooooorry !
>:(
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdreamsofcarcosa.com%2FShoggoth.jpg&hash=20793bd41b5d6e5cfe96298779870dbc503841c0)
Terrifying enough for you?
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on May 20, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc02.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2012%2F141%2Fb%2Fd%2Fspoilers_by_niddeh-d50jtzh.png&hash=9bbeb7be7a97d66fc446449b25853ecc9e427cc8)
starbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeaststarbeast
The f**king Starbeast.
Main character of Prometheus!
Well, I would have named that machinegun
Older Painless ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
Who, me? Nah.
Spoiler
Well, unless we're talkin' bout Eva 8)
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2Fabs2u1.jpg&hash=9791535a63ec87cdec68eb55990bc3e696b97a05)
Come right over - I'm filling up the tub right now :P ;)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zbrushcentral.com%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D86274&hash=43723a629e7956f184c55ffeda431851c88b93f0)
Or how about a 3D Rendering of the Mi-Go? They will take your brain on an interdimensional space trip and use your body to either:
A. Turn it into a neat costume to wear around and disguise themselves amongst us
B. Turn it into material for making more of themselves, they are also known as the Fungi from Yoggoth(Pluto) for a reason.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: ucdom on May 20, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Actually, if the nerdy girls are all getting together, can I have one of the leftover nerdy boys.
Go for it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s320/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Ignore the Length...FEEL THE GIRTH!!!
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
I'm not being facetious either, I've had gay people get mad at me for calling them gay when referring to their sexuality. I don't care personally, sexuality has no bearing on my opinion of someone or how I'd treat them. ;)
Let's have a speed dating meet up. :D AVP Galaxy First Annual Speed Dating Meet and Greet. :D
Joking of course.
Yep bona fide bender or poof, as my old school chums used to refer to me. Those were the days...
Not really out (he said on a forum read by, what, tens of people? :laugh:) and don't really do anything about hence. Hence, 40 and still single...
:'(
Plus, a face that would make a xeno sh*t itself doesn't help.
Oh I was talking about Cvalda, and for some reason I thought you were a chick too lol.
Sorry to hear that man, best wishes and such. I'm 21 and I still really haven't had a proper/decent/true relationship with a good woman It's tough but I've found that rushing into things and choosing the wrong people isn't a good idea.
You'll find someone, there are people out there for us all we just gotta wade through the crap first. You just gotta put yourself out there and say "Here I am" like me, love me, or hate me.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 10:37:41 PM
Well, I would have named that machinegun Older Painless ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Lol I didn't know you were...gay? Is that the correct term, I don't want to step on any toes.
Who, me? Nah.
Spoiler
Well, unless we're talkin' bout Eva 8)
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2Fabs2u1.jpg&hash=9791535a63ec87cdec68eb55990bc3e696b97a05)
Come right over - I'm filling up the tub right now :P ;)
Oooooh, okay well that explains everything Cvalda I've always wondered about you two. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
Hey, androids need love too.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
It's not?
Damn it all!
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
Oooooh, okay well that explains everything Cvalda I've always wondered about you two. :P
The secrets of the universe are slowly becoming clear to you.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
Hey, androids need love too.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
It's not? Damn it all!
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ#)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ%2FSt0rxKHQBII%2FAAAAAAAAI8o%2FRhgd7bbya00%2Fs400%2FTentacles2.jpg&hash=d567c08b999f2af028d3597014438a3830db5204)
fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
QuoteThings are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
The answer to all of life's problems.
And instigator of a choice few, if you live in Japan.
That and toilet paper.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-TcY7VeGTuNY%2FT6Wcctjq4sI%2FAAAAAAAAAO4%2FfKbfKXas90c%2Fs1600%2F9PTZO.jpg&hash=2d0b6014ac878fe52c1d290f2ff28022935558cb)
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
I coined the the name Starbeast (because that's what it reminded me of) for this thing on page 1, and we should definitely call it that, because I will for all time.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
Oooooh, okay well that explains everything Cvalda I've always wondered about you two. :P
The secrets of the universe are slowly becoming clear to you.
That is terrifying.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
Or there needs to be more nerdy girls for other nerdy girls.
It's not all about men, ya know. :P
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
QuoteThings are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
The answer to all of life's problems.
And instigator of a choice few, if you live in Japan.
That and toilet paper.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TcY7VeGTuNY/T6Wcctjq4sI/AAAAAAAAAO4/fKbfKXas90c/s1600/9PTZO.jpg
Dear god what...Japan.
Why Japan?
Why?
I am strangely arroused...
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
In my experience, one does not automatically presuppose the other ;)
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
In my experience, one does not automatically presuppose the other ;)
I was merely joking about. No need to take it so literal. :D You are quite correct however.
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ%2FSt0rxKHQBII%2FAAAAAAAAI8o%2FRhgd7bbya00%2Fs400%2FTentacles2.jpg&hash=d567c08b999f2af028d3597014438a3830db5204)
fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
...that looks pretty consensual to me.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
...my head hurts now.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ%2FSt0rxKHQBII%2FAAAAAAAAI8o%2FRhgd7bbya00%2Fs400%2FTentacles2.jpg&hash=d567c08b999f2af028d3597014438a3830db5204)
fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
...that looks pretty consensual to me.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
...my head hurts now.
Dudeception.
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 10:48:12 PM
I am strangely arroused...
The worst part is that I kinda recognize where that imagery comes from, I think I've seen that particular hentai manga before unfortunately. Double creepy.
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ%2FSt0rxKHQBII%2FAAAAAAAAI8o%2FRhgd7bbya00%2Fs400%2FTentacles2.jpg&hash=d567c08b999f2af028d3597014438a3830db5204)
fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
Have to agree :laugh: Just googled "Starbeast tentacle monster", lets just say i found a lot of tentacle monsters :laugh: :laugh: :-X
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ#)
Hacking down tree with my fists, eating beef jerky, and rescuing scantly clad women from reptilian aliens hell bent on enslaving the human race. All before breakfast. 8)
It's ALL about being manly. Oh
yeah! *HEADBUTT TO THE MONITOR*
If only Heston was in Prometheues. Someone should edit him in somewhere.
"You damn dirty engineers! THE GOO IS MADE OF PEOPLE!" :laugh:
Bruce Campbell, too, should be in Prometheus. He can rescue Shaw from Holloway's douchebaggery. He can hack the engineer into bits with a chainsaw. "Groovy." Of David he would merely say "Hey, Toaster, be a sport and get me a beer will ya?" :)
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
]
That is terrifying.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
The more I read that, the less I believe the guy who is supposed to of wrote it, wrote it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
Hey, man...?(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-9fBFflcllzs%2FTV4P7bWip9I%2FAAAAAAAAAmI%2FUgUj35dJuEI%2Fs1600%2FTheDude-1.jpg&hash=0231186bde006a09a34b07b9941eecb79072e1a4)
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
In my experience, one does not automatically presuppose the other ;)
I was merely joking about. No need to take it so literal. :D You are quite correct however.
I know, I didn't and I know ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
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Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
I coined the the name Starbeast (because that's what it reminded me of) for this thing on page 1, and we should definitely call it that, because I will for all time.
I don't know if it's the perfect name to call it, but I always loved the cheesy, but in the good kind of cheesy, "Starbeast," so by all means I'm happy that its being used on an actual creature. Good job choosing. ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
just for ya, google is your friend btw
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fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
...that looks pretty consensual to me.
upsss...my bad
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Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
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That is terrifying.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
The more I read that, the less I believe the guy who is supposed to of wrote it, wrote it.
It's from Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft, I was waiting to see if someone would get it.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Or dudes playing the dudes disguised as other dudes.
Hey, man...?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9fBFflcllzs/TV4P7bWip9I/AAAAAAAAAmI/UgUj35dJuEI/s1600/TheDude-1.jpg
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
You mean... it's not all about masculinity and being a man?
In my experience, one does not automatically presuppose the other ;)
I was merely joking about. No need to take it so literal. :D You are quite correct however.
I know, I didn't and I know ;)
Oh okay, well it's the internet inflection and intent has a tendency to not carry over so well.
EDIT: Lovely editing snafu. I don't even understand how it happened LOL.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 11:03:48 PM
Oh okay, well it's the internet inflection and intent has a tendency to not carry over so well.
Ain't that the truth. We are forever in debt to whoever came up with the concept of smileys... :)
sooooo as far as im concerned this is already way beyond off topic so look what i have found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws)
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Is it just me or do those legs look like the legs of the face hugger? NOT the tentacle ends but the upper portion. If you were to chop of the wiggle ends they'd look like the legs of the face hugger imo.
Oh god, Galaxy of Terror.
Horrible movie with a pretty awful rape scene by a monster.
i only just realised that the tentacles are wrapped around the space jockey
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
sooooo as far as im concerned this is already way beyond off topic so look what i have found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws)
Lol... that could be fun to watch someday, I'd guess :D
PS: Is that Robert Englund at 1:38?
Quote from: nendo on May 20, 2012, 11:19:04 PM
i only just realised that the tentacles are wrapped around the space jockey
Yeah I had to wait for the better captures to realize that's what everyone was going on about. I honestly thought it was trying to pry through a door and pull itself in to get after Shaw.
Which it still could be doing, who knows what happens to Mr.Big Ass Space Jockey.
Seriously his arms look like the size of my head and my head is NOT SMALL.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on May 20, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
Really doubt the starbeast (is that what we should call it?) has any benign intentions with Shaw... I'd guess it evolves from Shaw's 'baby', also somewhat in sync with a score track called 'Hello Mommy'. Holloway seems to suffer a potentially fatal encounter with a certain blonde among the crew, so I'm pretty sure it ain't him mutated or anything...
I coined the the name Starbeast (because that's what it reminded me of) for this thing on page 1, and we should definitely call it that, because I will for all time.
I don't know if it's the perfect name to call it, but I always loved the cheesy, but in the good kind of cheesy, "Starbeast," so by all means I'm happy that its being used on an actual creature. Good job choosing. ;)
When the movie comes out, I propose that we all support Starbeast and only talk about Starbeast for the remainder of the time that this movie stays in theaters.
Change you avvy and sigs my brothers and sisters, for Starbeast is our salvation!
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Dear god what...Japan.
Why Japan?
Why?
Because JAPAN, that's why.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 20, 2012, 10:49:57 PM
Dudeception.
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Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
sooooo as far as im concerned this is already way beyond off topic so look what i have found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPxn6Qg_ls#ws)
Lol... that could be fun to watch someday, I'd guess :D
PS: Is that Robert Englund at 1:38?
its cool isnt? im not sure about englund though....but yup, he is in it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082431/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082431/)
the worst thing for sure that im not gonna find anywhere this movie i guess ...hm much more upsetting than waiting for prometheus >:( :)
edit: i've found it ^^
and yeah im seriously thinking about to watch some cheesy horror movies like this in the future :D
...and yeah guys you are right because im single so what? it will be really cool not to share my popcorn with any girl at june 8 and not to listen to those "this is what? who is that? why are they ...? " questions during the movie 8) ;D
This is just so different to what we have seen. I can't see even the slightest semblance of the DNA of the xeno or even a possible proto-xeno in that thing. Sure we can only see a small part of it, but tentacles never featured once in the lifeforms of the other movies; the closest thing to tentacles are either tails, which aren't tentacles at all, or the tubes on the adult alien's back, and even they were considered superfluous (Giger didn't like them at all if I remember correctly).
It seems pretty clear that these lifeforms are not intended to be related to the xenos in any way at all. This is a new monster with entirely new aspects, so we probably shouldn't be comparing them to xenos to begin with.
Huge the sonf of a bitch is HUGE!
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
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fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
"Two girls, one tentacle"?
Quote from: Glaive on May 20, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
Let's ALL take a deep breath and wait for a real review (or failing THAT, see it with our own occular organs...)
...not that eyes are organs, but I digress.
Actually, eyes are organs.
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 20, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
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fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
"Two girls, one tentacle"?
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Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 20, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
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fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
"Two girls, one tentacle"?
Spoiler
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Prometheus has landed.
^^^ (this inside joke from last night is going to appear more often now.)
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 21, 2012, 12:30:51 AM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 20, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Things are getting all mushy.
We need more Engineer tentacle rape.
just for ya, google is your friend btw
Spoiler
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fooled you! :D no engineers this time you pervert
ps: wow so much disqusting thing on the internet :o
"Two girls, one tentacle"?
Spoiler
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Prometheus has landed.
^^^ (this inside joke from last night is going to appear more often now.)
yeah i always prefered the "the eagle has landed" or "wohhhooo i WON!!! or simply just "FIRST!!!!...you looser" lines but i have got to say i get the feeling that i have to pay tribute to prometheus aswell sometimes ;)
after Sil from "species" i thought that Ridley was going to explore transparent creatures.
i liked very much the effect that has the thing that David was taking out of the ampule.
but then they change that scene and now is just black goo. i found this video, kind of creepy.
sometimes nature seems more alien than movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9o4VnfHJU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9o4VnfHJU#ws)
Quote from: Bayo on May 21, 2012, 12:40:51 AM
after Sil from "species" i thought that Ridley was going to explore transparent creatures.
i liked very much the effect that has the thing that David was taking out of the ampule.
but then they change that scene and now is just black goo. i found this video, kind of creepy.
sometimes nature seems more alien than movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9o4VnfHJU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9o4VnfHJU#ws)
Wow, what a bizarre creature! You sir have opened my eyes a little. ;D
In the extended clips (see this thread (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43533.0)) you can see that each of the ampules in David's urn are actually transparent and the material in them is more green black and only semi-opaque.
Barrel eye fish. Some of the strangest, coolest things i've ever heard of.
What the frak is the squid thing and why does that remind me of this
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Quote from: r888 on May 21, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
What the frak is the squid thing and why does this remind me of this
http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/behemoth.jpg
Because it is B-movie fodder and shows no real conceptualization of true exo-biology imagination??
Quote from: r888 on May 21, 2012, 02:19:37 AMWhat the frak is the squid thing and why does that remind me of this http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/behemoth.jpg
They are both squid monsters designed by Carlos Huante. That's why.
Quote from: r888 on May 21, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
What the frak is the squid thing and why does that remind me of this
http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/behemoth.jpg
lol thats what I was thinking too.
Quote from: orchidal on May 20, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
I wonder...where are the goddamn biomechanoids?!
exactly. Theres nothing we can do about it but, I still stand by my opinion that Giger and only Giger designs the best creatures.
He comes up with things that just no one else can, even if they try and mimic something he might do.
But thats not the case with this movie so theres nothing we can do, bring on the squidies!
Quote from: r888 on May 21, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
What the frak is the squid thing and why does that remind me of this
http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/behemoth.jpg
isn't that from hellboy?
Quote from: r888 on May 21, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
What the frak is the squid thing and why does that remind me of this
It shouldn't. All we've seen is a limb/trunk. We've got no idea what it's/they're attached to. Like I said earlier, it could easily be a copy of the '
Deep Rising' concept, where everyone assumes the cobra-like things are individual creatures, but they're all just tendril-like extensions of something far larger.
Nothing wrong with tentacles on monsters. Especially if tendrils aren't all it has. Just wish they look segmented and biomechanical instead of smooth flesh.
http://www.d2.dion.ne.jp/~takanomo/LOVELOG_IMG/species_sil_05.jpg (http://www.d2.dion.ne.jp/~takanomo/LOVELOG_IMG/species_sil_05.jpg)
http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?p=2179797 (http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?p=2179797)
You'll notice Sil's hair has a look which seems almost directly copied for the Sentinels in the '
Matrix' films.
it just pop up in my head
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 21, 2012, 02:54:55 AMNothing wrong with tentacles on monsters. Especially if tendrils aren't all it has. Just wish they look segmented and biomechanical instead of smooth flesh.
If it's an early stage then it might not have those features. The hugger and burster were both 'fleshy'.
I'm actually glad the creature is not biomechanical...again it plays into expectations. We expect biomechanical. I'm glad they went against expectation, it could make for a better film. 'could' ;)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 21, 2012, 03:05:00 AM
I'm actually glad the creature is not biomechanical...again it plays into expectations. We expect biomechanical. I'm glad they went against expectation, it could make for a better film. 'could' ;)
But likely won't.
Ridley Scott did say there will be different forms of "Biology and biomechanoid life" So there better bet some biomechs.
Starbeast will eat all of those biomechs.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 21, 2012, 03:07:00 AM
Starbeast will eat all of those biomechs.
And then I will eat Starbeast.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 03:13:20 AM
And then I will eat Starbeast.
Om nom nom.
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NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 03:15:37 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 03:13:20 AM
And then I will eat Starbeast.
Om nom nom.
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I could never eat a squid whole like that. I was thinking more... Like...
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Calamari is amazing
Yes...let's all keep taking those "happy pills" and tell ourselves it's all going to be alright.
Don't get me wrong, I for one will be ecstatic if Ridley can hit this out of the park...or at least, not make a new clusterf**k the likes we haven't seen since the Star Wars prequels.
But hey, if you folks can be happy with big Blue Guys, Von Daniken ancient astronauts, spitting in the face of Evolutionary Theory (and Science in general, for that matter), "space squid" and tentacle monsters...more power to ya'.
Yeah, I guess you can chalk me up as a naysayer, at this point. Bring it on. But don't say I haven't warned you to LOWER your expectations by a few orders of magnitude.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:36:43 AM
Yes...let's all keep taking those "happy pills" and tell ourselves it's all going to be alright.
Don't get me wrong, I for one will be ecstatic if Ridley can hit this out of the park...or at least, not make a new clusterf**k the likes we haven't seen since the Star Wars prequels.
But hey, if you folks can be happy with big Blue Guys, Von Daniken ancient astronauts, spitting in the face of Evolutionary Theory (and Science in general, for that matter), "space squid" and tentacle monsters...more power to ya'.
Yeah, I guess you can chalk me up as a naysayer, at this point. Bring it on. But don't say I haven't warned you to LOWER your expectations by a few orders of magnitude.
Deut, buddy, I can't help but agree about the science and everything. It's done. It cannot be undone at this point either. What can I say man...
Popcorn chicken? :)
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:36:43 AM
spitting in the face of Evolutionary Theory (and Science in general, for that matter), "space squid" and tentacle monsters...more power to ya'.
It's a bloody movie, dude. You're coming across as churlish now.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 21, 2012, 05:43:14 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:36:43 AM
spitting in the face of Evolutionary Theory (and Science in general, for that matter), "space squid" and tentacle monsters...more power to ya'.
It's a bloody movie, dude. You're coming across as churlish now.
Sorry, I don't have to work tomorrow, and I may have had a few pints too many tonight.
If I sound churlish, it is because I guess I was expecting so much more from a movie that had the potential to be based upon a truly alien civilization and alien psychology/motivations. From what I have seen so far (and I could very well be wrong, but I don't think so)...opportunity MISSED!
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 03:20:33 AM
I could never eat a squid whole like that. I was thinking more... Like...
Looks more like chicken nuggets than calamari. But perhaps space squid does taste like chicken... :P
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
If I sound churlish, it is because I guess I was expecting so much more from a movie that had the potential to be based upon a truly alien civilization and alien psychology/motivations. From what I have seen so far (and I could very well be wrong, but I don't think so)...opportunity MISSED!
Deuterium just used all caps for emphasis.
Yep, he's drunk. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 05:58:14 AM
Deuterium just used all caps for emphasis.
Yep, he's drunk. :P
;D LOL. Busted!
Quote from: Kess on May 21, 2012, 05:57:10 AM
Looks more like chicken nuggets than calamari. But perhaps space squid does taste like chicken... :P
Indeed! I love me a breaded bird.
I have enough time with Mozzarella sticks trying to kill me. Having a live bugger squirming in my mouth and using it's suckers to hold on as I chew doesn't sound like the safest food int he world.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
Sorry, I don't have to work tomorrow, and I may have had a few pints too many tonight.
Is booze the recommended food for scientists? ;D
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 05:58:14 AM
Deuterium just used all caps for emphasis.
Yep, he's drunk. :P
Do tell. Do
you use
all caps,
Cvalda? :)
If only I disagreed on the inside.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 05:58:14 AM
Deuterium just used all caps for emphasis.
Yep, he's drunk. :P
Do tell. Do you use all caps, Cvalda? :)
What are you implying, OpenMaw?
http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA (http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA)
All this talk of squids rampaging through the bowls of a starship reminds me of this episode of Space 1999 called Dragons Domain. An exploration starship finds a grave yard of alien ships whos crew have been devoured by a huge tentacled monster.
Now its cheesey but back then as a kid it scared the piss out of me. Im hoping Prometheus will bring that fear back.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
Is booze the recommended food for scientists? ;D
I am teaching these days...and yes, some of the students I have to deal with will definitely cause you to seek the occasional liquid therapy (in moderation, of course).
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM
http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA (http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA)
Holy shit.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
What are you implying, OpenMaw?
Mm, that...
Perhaps, when
you are
inebriated you partake in the use of the...
"capital locks" to
express yourself. :)
Why, what did you
think I was
implying? ;)
Spoiler
EUPH-EH-MIZZ-M. :laugh:
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM
http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA (http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA)
All this talk of squids rampaging through the bowls of a starship reminds me of this episode of Space 1999 called Dragons Domain. An exploration starship finds a grave yard of alien ships whos crew have been devoured by a huge tentacled monster.
Now its cheesey but back then as a kid it scared the piss out of me. Im hoping Prometheus will bring that fear back.
I need to watch Space 1999. I haven't gotten around to it. Maybe once I finish watching Babylon 5 again. :D
That's actually a great find though. Prometheus is making a lot of connections it seems. Even if some of them are a bit on the vague side of things.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 06:09:20 AM
I am teaching these days...and yes, some of the students I have to deal with will definitely cause you to seek the occasional liquid therapy (in moderation, of course).
I think you're a Tom Skerritt Version of Doctor Venkman. You go around busting shoddy science in movies.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 21, 2012, 06:13:36 AM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKfEj5JpwA&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKfEj5JpwA&feature=youtu.be)
Holy shit.
Told you :D
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 06:14:36 AM
Mm, that... Perhaps, when you are inebriated you partake in the use of the... "capital locks" to express yourself. :)
1. I am never inebriated.
2. I prefer
italics over caps locks anyway. :P
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM
http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA (http://youtu.be/9WKfEj5JpwA)
All this talk of squids rampaging through the bowls of a starship reminds me of this episode of Space 1999 called Dragons Domain. An exploration starship finds a grave yard of alien ships whos crew have been devoured by a huge tentacled monster.
Now its cheesey but back then as a kid it scared the piss out of me. Im hoping Prometheus will bring that fear back.
For Pete's sake...don't these people know that you are never supposed to look into the light! I mean, did Tangina teach us nothing?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:18:35 AM
1. I am never inebriated.
2. I prefer italics over caps locks anyway. :P
1. That is very interesting! You never drink, or you just don't drink that much?
2.
italics For The Win.Wait... I've found a way to tie this all into the subject of the TV spots.
Is your stance against being inebriated in anyway related to the fact that Holloway is seen with a bottle of booze near him?! Have you forever sworn off liquor because, LMG, has tainted it with his presence?!
Could it be!?
Spoiler
Most likely no, huh? ;D
No. :P I just don't drink because it does nothing for me. I don't enjoy it. Though I'll drink socially if it's provided--I'd never pay for that crap.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:34:10 AM
No. :P I just don't drink because it does nothing for me. I don't enjoy it. Though I'll drink socially if it's provided--I'd never pay for that crap.
I drink Microbrewed beer(mostly India Pale Ales and wheat beers, and mostly New Belgium Brewing Ranger IPA) and good Single Malt or Blended Scotch as well as Whiskey/Bourbon on occasion.
I don't drink much(I can pack the drinks away though... 6ft1 barrel chested with Irish/Sicilian Heritage ftw) but I do partake heavily in Tobacco and the green leaf for what ails me. I never post when inebriated though, just as I don't drive.
Italics are sexy.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:34:10 AM
No. :P I just don't drink because it does nothing for me. I don't enjoy it. Though I'll drink socially if it's provided--I'd never pay for that crap.
And I went to all that trouble to give you an excuse to give LMG more crap. AH well. ;D
Well I certainly share the sentiment. I can't tolerate the smell of alcohol myself.
Then again it's for the best. I have an addiction to Caffeine. That tells me all I need to know about myself in that regard. Best to avoid the demon entirely, then tempt the beast by trying to "like it." :)
Another TV spot: nothing new - but the spot itself is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1aNmpLVm0o#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1aNmpLVm0o#ws)
That was enjoyable, my Father caught that one and one of the other ones on TV and he said he wants to see it.
Shocking, since he really only kinda likes the Sequel. :D
EDIT: err, I don't mean Alien. He likes Aliens. I should've just said that instead. xD
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 21, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
That was enjoyable, my Father caught that one and one of the other ones on TV and he said he wants to see it.
Shocking, since he really only kinda likes the Sequel. :D
EDIT: err, I don't mean Alien. He likes Aliens. I should've just said that instead. xD
Most people unfortunately prefer the sequel over Alien.
Now that Scott has thought it over for 30 years and has the money he needs to flesh out his idea - hopefully people will prefer
Prometheus over
Aliens.
That new spot certainly pounds home the ancient alien thing. About time the marketing was to the bloody point.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 21, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
That new spot certainly pounds home the ancient alien thing. About time the marketing was to the bloody point.
lol yeah - very much to the point. 20 seconds and we get:
We came from ancient aliens.
Its secret will be revealed in the movie.
"If you are going down there, you're going to die."
I love it - best TV spot so far IMO, thanks mate.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 05:36:43 AM
Yes...let's all keep taking those "happy pills" and tell ourselves it's all going to be alright.
Don't get me wrong, I for one will be ecstatic if Ridley can hit this out of the park...or at least, not make a new clusterf**k the likes we haven't seen since the Star Wars prequels.
But hey, if you folks can be happy with big Blue Guys, Von Daniken ancient astronauts, spitting in the face of Evolutionary Theory (and Science in general, for that matter), "space squid" and tentacle monsters...more power to ya'.
Yeah, I guess you can chalk me up as a naysayer, at this point. Bring it on. But don't say I haven't warned you to LOWER your expectations by a few orders of magnitude.
The stale processed ham of LMG, mutating crew [yawns all round - how predictable is this premise now, and how many times have we seen this, can it really be scary again when it never really was the first time round ?!] and finally for me, the 'piece de resistance' what looks to be potentially one of the worst and most uninspired 1950s B movie throwbacks in recent memory: a giant rubber space squid.........a f**king giant rubber looking squid monster ??!!!!........yeah, you could say my expectations are vastly reduced for this movie (and I dont care what you call it........... 'starbeast'.......?!.....to me its a latex looking space squid........and it looks shit)
(and I was one who bought his ticket way in advance)
yeah I dont want another 'Alien' clone, I'm happy for a different route, different story, different feel and pace......similar DNA but different outcome............but whod have thought that the DNA threads that brought us the original and magnificent xenomorph could also produce such a shit looking, uninspired, homicidal, latex space octopus ?!
Is this Ridley Scotts 'George Lucas moment' ?
The inclusion of Logan 'JarJar' Green provides a significant clue as far as Im concerned
Oh please... no comparisons between The JarJar Menace and Prometheus... :D
One had no story of interest to tell by itself, but worked purely as a setup for the real storyline the writer/director wanted to tell, coming some 6 years down the line. When I re-watched this at a movienight some years ago, I dozed off... It's boring...
The other at the very least has a story at the center of it and is made as a selfcontained movie, much like the original Star Wars was. Whether the story works to your preferences is another matter though, but at least someone made the effort of writing one in collaboration with other people to get critique and second opinions and all...
Quote from: Qwertify on May 21, 2012, 06:59:48 AM
Another TV spot: nothing new - but the spot itself is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1aNmpLVm0o#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1aNmpLVm0o#ws)
this is what a tv spot should look like before a premiere
Quote from: JKS1 on May 21, 2012, 11:38:48 AMIs this Ridley Scotts 'George Lucas moment' ?
You seem to forget one fundamental difference between Lucas and Scott; Scott is a film director. Lucas is a daydreaming child with a lot of money and some talented friends.
Quote from: Eva on May 21, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
Oh please... no comparisons between The JarJar Menace and Prometheus... :D
One had no story of interest to tell by itself, but worked purely as a setup for the real storyline the writer/director wanted to tell, coming some 6 years down the line. When I re-watched this at a movienight some years ago, I dozed off... It's boring...
The other at the very least has a story at the center of it and is made as a selfcontained movie, much like the original Star Wars was. Whether the story works to your preferences is another matter though, but at least someone made the effort of writing one in collaboration with other people to get critique and second opinions and all...
Well said.
I reckon the space jockey kills the squid as in earlier trailer shaw fighting with burnt space jockey maybe acid for blood from the squid ,anyway space jocky is maybe inpregnated from the squid make his way back to crashed ship to set up his famous cannon of some sought & then smack bang out of his chest a new version of facehugger with his DNA also inpregnants shaw or vickers & thats how our famous Alien is born ( Remember space jockey body structure is like the Ailen ) just theory but i reckon im spot on
Would people just stop judging this film based off a creature we haven't even seen already??
FOUR STAGES.
We've seen TWO.
Give it a Fukcing CHANCE! Jesus. ;) ;) :) :-X ::) :P ;D
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 21, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Would people just stop judging this film based off a creature we haven't even seen already??
FOUR STAGES.
We've seen TWO.
Give it a Fukcing CHANCE! Jesus. ;) ;) :) :-X ::) :P ;D
Correction -
We
know of two. :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( :laugh:
Quote from: modprecar on May 21, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
I reckon the space jockey kills the squid as in earlier trailer shaw fighting with burnt space jockey maybe acid for blood from the squid ,anyway space jocky is maybe inpregnated from the squid make his way back to crashed ship to set up his famous cannon of some sought & then smack bang out of his chest a new version of facehugger with his DNA also inpregnants shaw or vickers & thats how our famous Alien is born ( Remember space jockey body structure is like the Ailen ) just theory but i reckon im spot on
It could be. I was thinking this. That maybe he himself is infected or mutated. Perhaps the Jockey never kills Starsquid but is just left alone after it is impregnated and Shaw gets away, hiding from the both of them.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 06:14:36 AM
...Prometheus is making a lot of connections it seems. Even if some of them are a bit on the vague side of things.
Very true, OpenMaw. From what I can piece together,
Prometheus seems to draw a bit from each of the following:
(1) That old episode of
Space: 1999 referenced by RustiSwordz, right down to the protagonist's utilization of an axe against the creature. That was an intriguing series that I can
just barely recall from my own childhood.
(2) John Carpenter's
The Thing (with respect to the whole "human mutation"/genetic manipulation horror concept; as well as the gruesomely-tentacled, shape-shifting beasties).
(3) Lovecraftian themes (see above).
(4) The "ancient astronaut" mythos. Dubious,
to be sure, but it's definitely in the mix.
Of course, there's also the inherent connections to
Alien, and perhaps even some metaphorical similarities to
Blade Runner (we'll see about this last connection once the film finally opens).
I'm intrigued, no doubt ... but I'm also a bit apprehensive as to how all of this will actually "mesh" on-screen,
know what I mean? Prometheus will either be an utterly
amazing movie
(my sincere wish!), or a horribly incomprehensible jumble of different themes.
-MCJ
I don't understand why people are already making the assumption that this movie is crap because of a few milliseconds of monster reveals in the latest trailers, chill the frackk out guys!
I don't think it's unfair to be a little nervous about the creature in this movie... "Starbeast" was/is/and always will be a pretty stupid deisgn for creature. It seems like something a kid in elementary school might doodle during class. So much of the first movie that never made it to the screen is being featured, that when we see "cuddles" and we see other shots that might imply "Starbeast" is the final form for the creature than I'd say it's natural that some people might be worried or disappointed. Some people are claiming we have only seen two phases of the creature, however if the snake is stage 1, the mouth bursters stage 2, cuddles stage 3, and "Starbeast" stage 4... then we very well could have seen all the stages.
It's funny that Ridley would talk about how worn out the Xeno is, then decide that an intergalactic space squid is more effective. In my opinion ther xeno has been effective in every movie, even the horrible AVP movies... it's still just plain scary...
I will still see Prometheus, I'm still excited, I am however a little worried that space squid is the big creature reveal...
Or that because it doesn't line up with evolutionary theory it's automatically shit....le sigh....
In the TV Spot we barely got to see what the starbeast looks like, all we seen in the commercial was the tentacles.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 21, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
In the TV Spot we barely got to see what the starbeast looks like, all we seen in the commercial was the tentacles.
Google pictures of Starbeast... it's a squid with two legs, a face, and a bunch of tentacles... if the Giger Alien was chosen as a better design for the creature in 79' then it's still the better creature. I think had Giger not been involved with Alien, it would have been just another B horror movie, instead of what it has become...
Lets wait for pictures of the full starbeast for this movie rather then thinking of the early pictures of it during the 70's.
All I want is for the creature to be scary and do more gross things than the original Alien. I mean not anything stupid that Chet did but you know, decapitating, brain eating sorta things.
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 21, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
It's funny that Ridley would talk about how worn out the Xeno is, then decide that an intergalactic space squid is more effective. In my opinion ther xeno has been effective in every movie, even the horrible AVP movies... it's still just plain scary...
yeah... but what you have to take into account is this isn't simply (or doesn't appear to be anyway) a monster/horror movie in the way Alien was. The Alien design was fundamental to the original movie working and it being a success. Let's face it, they'll probably never be a movie with an alien as incredibly designed as HRG's... Ridley knows that. He also knows that the design (as great as it is) is old hat now and it's pointless doing more of the same. I'm sure Prometheus will have some good creature designs, but don't expect anything remotely comparable to HR Giger's. Prometheus will stand or fall not on the creature/alien, but how successful it is at broadening the canvas of the original concept and asking bigger questions, whilst making it entertaining/thrilling... If it does that well enough, the rest will be a bonus.
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 21, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 21, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
It's funny that Ridley would talk about how worn out the Xeno is, then decide that an intergalactic space squid is more effective. In my opinion ther xeno has been effective in every movie, even the horrible AVP movies... it's still just plain scary...
yeah... but what you have to take into account is this isn't simply (or doesn't appear to be anyway) a monster/horror movie in the way Alien was. The Alien design was fundamental to the original movie working and it being a success. Let's face it, they'll probably never be a movie with an alien as incredibly designed as HRG's... Ridley knows that. He also knows that the design (as great as it is) is old hat now and it's pointless doing more of the same. I'm sure Prometheus will have some good creature designs, but don't expect anything remotely comparable to HR Giger's. Prometheus will stand or fall not on the creature/alien, but how successful it is at broadening the canvas of the original concept and asking bigger questions, whilst making it entertaining/thrilling... If it does that well enough, the rest will be a bonus.
The original Alien deisgn was brilliant. I totally understand that, but if you are going to be as bold as to say that it's been over-used and it's no longer scary your alternative had better be pretty darned good.
I thought in keeping with the theme, that the creature would have been an evolution of the original alien design... similar in ways but different and new. It still may be... but with images pointing towards cuddles becoming the starbeast I am concerned. I may be one of the only people on here so far who is not upset with how the Engineers have been handled...
As soon as I saw all the reused Giger/Ron Cobb looking sets and designs I figured we would get on of the original pre-giger alien designs.
I'd still rather see it then the Xeno. That creature needs to be shelved for 20 years.
You can't really see anything in that clip, I'm trying to stay mostly spoiler free but for me the creature I'm most interested in seeing is the space jockey
Well, it's certainly different, a giant sqid-like creature in space is a bold move if nothing else, but I really can't imagine this being the ultimate finale the film is building up to. At first site what we can see does look a bit rediculous, I can see why some hate it, but this isn't even the money shot for me, I still think/hope there's much more to Prometheus.....
....and my money is still firmly on what we'll recognise as a proto-xeno, who just happen to be gods of the engineers, and who now have reason to destroy mankind.
twitter girl described star beast as..
Spoiler
humanoid - two arms, two legs and with tentacles. the purpose of the creature was to rape people and get them impregnated with more creatures.
interesting if true.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 21, 2012, 06:21:42 PM
twitter girl described star beast as..
Spoiler
humanoid - two arms, two legs and with tentacles. the purpose of the creature was to rape people and get them impregnated with more creatures.
interesting if true.
Yes, for all the flak she (probably unknowingly) got on here, it certainly looks like the twitter girl saw at least some of the film doesn't it.
More like she was a troll who got a couple details vaguely right.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 21, 2012, 06:21:42 PM
twitter girl described star beast as..
Spoiler
humanoid - two arms, two legs and with tentacles. the purpose of the creature was to rape people and get them impregnated with more creatures.
interesting if true.
Wouldn't a romantic dinner by candlelight, followed with champagne by the fireplace, be more effective? Geez, these aliens never want to work for anything! 8)
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
Wouldn't a romantic dinner by candlelight, followed with champagne by the fireplace, be more effective? Geez, these aliens never want to work for anything! 8)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu)
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 21, 2012, 06:21:42 PM
twitter girl described star beast as..
Spoiler
humanoid - two arms, two legs and with tentacles. the purpose of the creature was to rape people and get them impregnated with more creatures.
interesting if true.
Wouldn't a romantic dinner by candlelight, followed with champagne by the fireplace, be more effective? Geez, these aliens never want to work for anything! 8)
...whatever happened to sitting in the back row of the cinema with your favourite.....xeno!!
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu)
LOL. Love that tvtropes site. I could spend hours on it (in fact, I think I have).
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 06:47:58 PM
LOL. Love that tvtropes site. I could spend hours on it (in fact, I think I have).
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
Wouldn't a romantic dinner by candlelight, followed with champagne by the fireplace, be more effective? Geez, these aliens never want to work for anything! 8)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustRomanceCthulhu)
Hmmm... that read got me thinking...what if this squid-like creature turns out to be an abomination!
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 21, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
Hmmm... that read got me thinking...what if this squid-like creature turns out to be an abomination!
All things considered, I would chalk that up as a win. I am more worried the film will turn out to be an abomination.
<< Executes "Duck and Cover" maneuver >>
Deuterium, now you're just being silly. :P
It won't be an abomination. At worst it'll just be mediocre. Look on the bright side.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Deuterium, now you're just being silly. :P
It won't be an abomination. At worst it'll just be mediocre. Look on the bright side.
I know...just teasing. Couldn't help myself. ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 21, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Deuterium, now you're just being silly. :P
It won't be an abomination. At worst it'll just be mediocre. Look on the bright side.
Yes! The bright side!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F4153%2Fprometheusfacemelt.jpg&hash=d3a64f63694739d7c5cf9f21e84f5c09462e3ba6)
FACE MELTING!
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
Yes! The bright side!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F4153%2Fprometheusfacemelt.jpg&hash=d3a64f63694739d7c5cf9f21e84f5c09462e3ba6)
FACE MELTING!
Milburn is not having a good day. That is definitely gonna' leave a mark.
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 21, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 21, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 21, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
It's funny that Ridley would talk about how worn out the Xeno is, then decide that an intergalactic space squid is more effective. In my opinion ther xeno has been effective in every movie, even the horrible AVP movies... it's still just plain scary...
yeah... but what you have to take into account is this isn't simply (or doesn't appear to be anyway) a monster/horror movie in the way Alien was. The Alien design was fundamental to the original movie working and it being a success. Let's face it, they'll probably never be a movie with an alien as incredibly designed as HRG's... Ridley knows that. He also knows that the design (as great as it is) is old hat now and it's pointless doing more of the same. I'm sure Prometheus will have some good creature designs, but don't expect anything remotely comparable to HR Giger's. Prometheus will stand or fall not on the creature/alien, but how successful it is at broadening the canvas of the original concept and asking bigger questions, whilst making it entertaining/thrilling... If it does that well enough, the rest will be a bonus.
The original Alien deisgn was brilliant. I totally understand that, but if you are going to be as bold as to say that it's been over-used and it's no longer scary your alternative had better be pretty darned good.
I thought in keeping with the theme, that the creature would have been an evolution of the original alien design... similar in ways but different and new. It still may be... but with images pointing towards cuddles becoming the starbeast I am concerned. I may be one of the only people on here so far who is not upset with how the Engineers have been handled...
Someone's going to light me up with a flamethrower but I don't care, I love the engineer's design. There I said it.
Do we even have a full f**king shot of the engineer? All we've seen so far is his backside and the shot where he is crouching in the star map room. Also, Do we even know if engineers and SJ's are two different creatures?
looking at this..... i know the creature so to speak doesnt look like a biomech, but however..... should that big tentacle thing infect the engineer and then brings forth the chestburster which in turn brings on the classic xenos?? if that makes sense.... its always been said that they take on the traits of the host so... just lookin at the engineer.... maybe thats not clothes but his body??
just a thought.
maybe the tentacle thing is the proto xeno... infecting things with its spores and violent face rape..... and the xenos are a byproduct from the engineer (or jockey)... may also explain how it got infected in the first film as no way would it of been able to be faceraped by a normal facehugger due to the size difference??
im only puttin it out there so please dont flame me....... ill be happy if im right though... guess ill find out on the 1st...
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
Yes! The bright side!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F4153%2Fprometheusfacemelt.jpg&hash=d3a64f63694739d7c5cf9f21e84f5c09462e3ba6)
FACE MELTING!
Milburn is not having a good day. That is definitely gonna' leave a mark.
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
Yes! The bright side!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F4153%2Fprometheusfacemelt.jpg&hash=d3a64f63694739d7c5cf9f21e84f5c09462e3ba6)
FACE MELTING!
Milburn is not having a good day. That is definitely gonna' leave a mark.
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
So maybe It's Fiefeld that gets the Facemelter?
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
I thought I could detect the frames from his glasses in the image...but I may be seeing things.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
I thought I could detect the frames from his glasses in the image...but I may be seeing things.
Agreed...those sure look like Milburn's semi-horn-rimmed glasses.
Some are saying that's the outline of the person's eye sockets...but I think not.
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
It is Milburn, for sure. He's wearing glasses.
I just can't stop myself from reading & checking back ever-other hour! The ALIEN series is my personal favorite! I saw the original ALIEN in 1979 & ever since, I own everything I can find with the XENOMORPH! I will enjoy PROMETHEUS, (ESP. in 3D!! ) but I do wish there will be a biomechanical creature in the end. Let's hope the Starbeast will NOT let us down. I'm sure it won't & there will be a ton of happy ALIEN fans talking about the new KICK-ASS design in the movie! ;D
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
It is Milburn, for sure. He's wearing glasses.
then its a stupid movie as hell, a spaceproof helmet melting like cheese but the plastic glasses doesnt
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20120213055636%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2F5%2F52%2FDouble-facepalm.jpg&hash=66b911e57634faf1cec21b4242e11175f821c5f4)
btw are you 100% sure that no other crew member wears glasses besides Milburn?
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
then its a stupid movie as hell, a spaceproof helmet melting like cheese but the plastic glasses doesnt
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20120213055636%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2F5%2F52%2FDouble-facepalm.jpg&hash=66b911e57634faf1cec21b4242e11175f821c5f4)
btw are you 100% sure that no other crew member wears glasses besides Milburn?
I assume that the frames are made of metal or composite material. The lenses are gone...just the frames are visible, at the moment. Doesn't mean they won't dissolve away, as well...just that the material making up the frames lasted a bit longer.
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
It is Milburn, for sure. He's wearing glasses.
then its a stupid movie as hell, a spaceproof helmet melting like cheese but the plastic glasses doesnt
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20120213055636%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2F5%2F52%2FDouble-facepalm.jpg&hash=66b911e57634faf1cec21b4242e11175f821c5f4)
btw are you 100% sure that no other crew member wears glasses besides Milburn?
The helmet bubble is plastic. the glasses are made of glass and metal. The melting plastic is just beginning to cave in the shot we've seen. In all likelyhood that this "melty face" shot comes, probably, before the shot of the mouth burster. (Millburn falls over as this shit eats through his face, then the thing comes out of him when someone rushes over to check on him.
i believe this is what happens before the melting face (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.thevine.com.au%2Fresources%2FIMGDETAIL%2Fprometh%2520detail_100512111747.jpg&hash=02107f3257fa4f4f8a5b3f7e902ad1dc3bac2fdf) ------------> (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.therpf.com%2Fattachments%2Ff47%2Fridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-screen-shot-2012-04-29-2.03.00-pm.png-92726d1335733518&hash=4061d7f27ea82e6e9cf292c2e8cfa78bbcca8912)
and Fifield is on these pics
later they bring him back to the ship
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1121.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl507%2Fmentos26%2F7.png&hash=0126e9b91616c4bd0d82c336dba2567bee33d826)
so he can jump around
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prometheusmovienews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2Fmutant.jpg&hash=d15c875818c722f38c84d9dbf8a2763fdfd82a01)
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Q0jPyrja0
and THAT is not a melted helmet and face (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1199.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa478%2Fmetroplekz%2FClip_11.jpg&hash=22c2fe1c0b20e8178c7895078f60ba7639312e1d)
but the snake thing in it because of this (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthebioscopist.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fprometheus-61.gif&hash=189a5e811ad938fafc225258b17da8538803457c)
1 intresting thing that is jumping over Ford's mouth later on (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F9481%2Fpromnewexttrailer.jpg&hash=4a0c0bdaf5cc4c06519882ba5ed1291fd232dcf6)
i wonder why the helmet is busted even before the creature jumps out of his mouth
did someone shoot him in the face?
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
i believe this is what happens before the melting face http://images.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGDETAIL/prometh%20detail_100512111747.jpg
and Fifield is on these pics
Yep. That one is Fifield. Both Milburn and Fifield are in the same scene. Milburn is to his left <- relative to that shot. :)
EDIT: i didn't realize you were going to modify your post. The shot of the visor actually collapsing is clearly milburn. His glass frames are clear as day.
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
and THAT is not a melted helmet and face (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1199.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa478%2Fmetroplekz%2FClip_11.jpg&hash=22c2fe1c0b20e8178c7895078f60ba7639312e1d)
This one is hard to tell. This could be
Fifield. Or maybe it's the red shirt guy that was with Ford? Maybe the engineer man handles him and forced a xenosnake into his suit? Hmm... Interesting and unknown bits (to me);
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg21.imageshack.us%2Fimg21%2F4428%2Fclip11av.jpg&hash=56ce9d9dd625442e11625a9cb19b6e411c429a6d)
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
1 intresting thing that is jumping over Ford's mouth later on (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F9481%2Fpromnewexttrailer.jpg&hash=4a0c0bdaf5cc4c06519882ba5ed1291fd232dcf6)
Actually, this is the same as the other shot. Just a wide shot. It's that same body on the ground.
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
but the snake thing in it because of this http://thebioscopist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/prometheus-61.gif
Yep. There's Millburn, before his face plate gets melted.
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense as to why his faceplate gets melted. Why would the snake go inside him and then somehow melt his faceplate?
Quote from: BioMechanical on May 21, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense as to why his faceplate gets melted. Why would the snake go inside him and then somehow melt his faceplate?
They could possibly be bezerkers. Seek out a target, get inside, blow up.
The person from which the creature jumps towards Ford isn't Milburn - the gaping hole in the helmet is clearly smaller. It could just be a redshirt guy. If it was Fifield, I'd assume we could still make out his beard and Fifield is seen running beserk inside the Prometheus, so he can't really be left dead soemwhere in the temple with a creature inside of him.
As to Milburn and what happens - it could be Fifield trying to help him by punching a hole in the helmet to get the creature out or the creature is simply designed to release this acid or whatever it is, disentigrating the helmet and presumably Milburns face with it
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: BioMechanical on May 21, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense as to why his faceplate gets melted. Why would the snake go inside him and then somehow melt his faceplate?
They could possibly be bezerkers. Seek out a target, get inside, blow up.
more likely that he bites the snake to kill it and it bleeds acid
Quote from: darkbladeclan6438 on May 21, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: BioMechanical on May 21, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense as to why his faceplate gets melted. Why would the snake go inside him and then somehow melt his faceplate?
They could possibly be bezerkers. Seek out a target, get inside, blow up.
more likely that he bites the snake to kill it and it bleeds acid
Now that sounds very plausible!
Quote from: darkbladeclan6438 on May 21, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
more likely that he bites the snake to kill it and it bleeds acid
That would certainly be a first for the series. :)
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
i believe this is what happens before the melting face http://images.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGDETAIL/prometh%20detail_100512111747.jpg ------------> http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-screen-shot-2012-04-29-2.03.00-pm.png-92726d1335733518
and Fifield is on these pics
later they bring him back to the ship
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1121.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl507%2Fmentos26%2F7.png&hash=0126e9b91616c4bd0d82c336dba2567bee33d826)
so he can jump around
http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mutant.jpg
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Q0jPyrja0
and THAT is not a melted helmet and face (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1199.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa478%2Fmetroplekz%2FClip_11.jpg&hash=22c2fe1c0b20e8178c7895078f60ba7639312e1d)
but the snake thing in it because of this http://thebioscopist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/prometheus-61.gif
1 intresting thing that is jumping over Ford's mouth later on (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F9481%2Fpromnewexttrailer.jpg&hash=4a0c0bdaf5cc4c06519882ba5ed1291fd232dcf6)
Yep, looking at these pics you posted I'd say your spot on actually. While the reason Milburns faceplate is busted after the Hammerpede got into him could be explained one of two ways. Either the creature appeared TWICE, once to bust open the faceplate by force or it could have simply spit acid onto it achieving the same result, then it jumps out again into the nearest person which just happened to be Ford. One thing I do think is happening, this Hammerpede is trying to go from person to person, to what end isn't clear, but since his injuries imply something completely different, it does seem Fifield was a victim of something else and not the Hammerpede as I first thought....
Ooh, ooh ooh....I have a theory. He falls down, convulsing and gagging as the worm chews through his GI tract, and possibly abdominal cavity. His face turns black from shock/infection and the Alien virus, then he falls foreward, hits the ground which damages his helmet in the process
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 21, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 21, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
this is not Milburn for sure i think his body is where the cobra burst out from the face and that face is not melted
I thought I could detect the frames from his glasses in the image...but I may be seeing things.
Agreed...those sure look like Milburn's semi-horn-rimmed glasses.
Some are saying that's the outline of the person's eye sockets...but I think not.
It's certainly hard to spot, I was fooled too, but if you pause the video in just the right place and look real close, it's not Milburns glasses we see, in fact it's Fifleld's eye sockets. Further to that, as someone said earlier, why melt the face of something after you got inside it, doesn't add up!! Which is why I think the Fifield/Milburn incidents are not even related, in other words they're caused by something different.
It's glasses - the outlines are far to small to be human eyesockets
Look at the rim outline to the right - it's definately in front of the face or the CGI artists did a piss poor job ;)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2Fad14p0.jpg&hash=0602617cc64c1b2e1602ffeacc03434b142bebff)
Have not seen such stupid complaints sinse Predators.
Quote from: Eva on May 22, 2012, 01:19:38 AM
It's glasses - the outlines are far to small to be human eyesockets
Look at the rim outline to the right - it's definately in front of the face or the CGI artists did a piss poor job ;)
http://i45.tinypic.com/ad14p0.jpg
Like a said I thought so too, now I dont, and the more I think about it the less it makes sense anyway. We'll just have to see how it turns out in June, but if this is Milburn, I'm intrigued to find out how his face would end up like this, when he was fine before the Hammerpede attacked.
Just want to throw an idea out that I have not seen yet. I apologize if this argument has been posted before.
If Milburn has his arm broken by this creature I am assuming its his right arm that he first reaches out with. If so this matches up to the animated gif. His right arm never moves as he sits there and the creature enters his mouth but his left does. In the pics of the face melt victim, this person has use of both arms.
Great site btw.
Quote from: Eva on May 22, 2012, 01:19:38 AM
It's glasses - the outlines are far to small to be human eyesockets
Look at the rim outline to the right - it's definately in front of the face or the CGI artists did a piss poor job ;)
http://i45.tinypic.com/ad14p0.jpg
Yep.
I really like that still. It looks like it is from an ALIEN film.
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 02:59:45 AM
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
If the melted helmet guy is Milburn then it looks like the Hammerpede went ahead on down his throat.
If the acid was caused by him biting the creature, I'd imagine we'd still see it clambering inside the helmet when the splash occurs.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 03:09:39 AM
How do you know if he dies or not?
Face melts are deadly in movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUd1QVyCnM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUd1QVyCnM#)
(Don't watch if you don't want to be haunted by the sight of a man peeling his face off.)Or, ya know;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI6-JzxV-_M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI6-JzxV-_M#)
Just sayin'. Face meltees usually die.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 03:09:39 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 02:59:45 AM
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
Yeah, if it sounds like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-8Dm1VThc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-8Dm1VThc#ws)
Imma be pissed off.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 22, 2012, 03:50:57 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
Yeah, if it sounds like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-8Dm1VThc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT-8Dm1VThc#ws)
Imma be pissed off.
This would get claps from me as I walk away from the theater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YEV3KlDDpwU#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YEV3KlDDpwU#t=0s)
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on May 22, 2012, 04:10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YEV3KlDDpwU#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YEV3KlDDpwU#t=0s)
The movie can't beat that!
Everything that was written here about who gets burned and when is incorrect.
Go here: read everything on page 4. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43265.45)
You will get all your answers with undeniable evidence there.
As for the guy who has his face melted away completely - that is Milburn. If you look at the photo - the man has no face at all. NONE. His glasses are melted with everything else - so it is not a stupid movie due to that. Everything is logical.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F28NCv.gif&hash=bdbaf77e93ca89731c70f3393ee5d32ac40bcb69)
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnyandcool.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FEric.Prydz-Call.On_.Me_.720p-new22.gif&hash=2f0d61749b9771c85eb72f1741a622658122b54c)
so thats why girls do that excercise all the time
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 03:09:39 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 02:59:45 AM
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
There isn't enough information at this point to conclude that the character who recieves the acid face wash dies from it. It can only be speculated that this character dies.
Quote from: thetias on May 22, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F28NCv.gif&hash=bdbaf77e93ca89731c70f3393ee5d32ac40bcb69)
Oh shit,
Spoiler
it's getting the Engineer!
so that's what it was doing.
Why are you in this thread, Rick?!! I thought you didn't want spoilers? :P :laugh:
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 03:09:39 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 02:59:45 AM
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
There isn't enough information at this point to conclude that the character who recieves the acid face wash dies from it. It can only be speculated that this character dies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.therpf.com%2Fattachments%2Ff47%2Fridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-screen-shot-2012-04-29-2.03.00-pm.png-92726d1335733518&hash=4061d7f27ea82e6e9cf292c2e8cfa78bbcca8912)
Looks pretty f**ked up for me to make such a statement.
But you are right, can't discount anything at this moment.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 05:26:22 PM
Why are you in this thread, Rick?!! I thought you didn't want spoilers? :P :laugh:
I've seen the TV spot before, i just wanted a better look at whatever that thing was.
Quote from: Rick Grimes on May 22, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 05:26:22 PM
Why are you in this thread, Rick?!! I thought you didn't want spoilers? :P :laugh:
I've seen the TV spot before, i just wanted a better look at whatever that thing was.
Starbeast!
*nom nom nom*
Quote from: Rick Grimes on May 22, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 05:26:22 PM
Why are you in this thread, Rick?!! I thought you didn't want spoilers? :P :laugh:
I've seen the TV spot before, i just wanted a better look at whatever that thing was.
But didn't you have to click to unlock the "Spoiler", to see what it was. How did you know it was the TV spot you had seen before?
I think you are busted, my friend. ;) :)
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 03:27:41 AM
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 22, 2012, 03:09:39 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 02:59:45 AM
It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
There isn't enough information at this point to conclude that the character who recieves the acid face wash dies from it. It can only be speculated that this character dies.
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-screen-shot-2012-04-29-2.03.00-pm.png-92726d1335733518
Looks pretty f**ked up for me to make such a statement.
But you are right, can't discount anything at this moment.
It should also be noted that the unfortunate victim can be heard screaming in pain, thereby proving that the subject is still alive. I think this is the "alien DNA" part in that both creatures have blood with acidic properties..maybe an evolutionary offshoot of the xeno?
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It's going to be f**king gruesome in the theater HEARING him die.
How do you know if he dies or not?
Either way, that scene better sound f**king terrifying.
There isn't enough information at this point to conclude that the character who recieves the acid face wash dies from it. It can only be speculated that this character dies.
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-screen-shot-2012-04-29-2.03.00-pm.png-92726d1335733518
Looks pretty f**ked up for me to make such a statement.
But you are right, can't discount anything at this moment.
It should also be noted that the unfortunate victim can be heard screaming in pain, thereby proving that the subject is still alive. I think this is the "alien DNA" part in that both creatures have blood with acidic properties..maybe an evolutionary offshoot of the xeno?
Probably, I read a quote somewhere that we would be seeing a creature that would somehow evolve into the Alien creature we know of today.
isn't that just heartwarming, even though noomi tries to super abort her alien baby it still wants to kill her engineer assaulter.
oh and her too, but at least it's not showing favorites.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 22, 2012, 05:35:04 PM
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 05:26:22 PM
Why are you in this thread, Rick?!! I thought you didn't want spoilers? :P :laugh:
I've seen the TV spot before, i just wanted a better look at whatever that thing was.
But didn't you have to click to unlock the "Spoiler", to see what it was. How did you know it was the TV spot you had seen before?
I think you are busted, my friend. ;) :)
No, you got it all wrong. I saw the tv spot "293" that had been posted before and so i knew this thread had to do with that specific spot, when clicking on one of those spoilers, i just happened to find a better view of the creature. That's all.
Not sure if these have been posted or not. Couple of new TV Spots from Verizon. The first one shows the new creature in 1080p quality this time. There's some slightly new dialogue in both I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgamOSfzwk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgamOSfzwk#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyadM3Se0I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyadM3Se0I#ws)
Spoiler
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Thanks to seeasea for the links.
Get to work on those gifs of 1080p Starbeast, people!
does anyone else smile every time they here "Rated R" in that voice?
Yeah...that tentacled beastie is most impressive in 1080p.
Quote from: Darkness on May 22, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
Not sure if these have been posted or not. Couple of new TV Spots from Verizon. The first one shows the new creature in 1080p quality this time. There's some slightly new dialogue in both I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgamOSfzwk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgamOSfzwk#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyadM3Se0I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyadM3Se0I#ws)
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Thanks to seeasea for the links.
hentai in prometheus..
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there appears to be some random shit on the tentacles, in the big wrinkles... looks like some sphere with a needle
Is anyone else sick to death of hearing "If we dont stop them, there won't be any home to go back to", Rapaces voice seems to sound different in every tralier/tv spot.
that's no† her voice.
they actually dubbed another voice over here, maybe because of her accent
"If we dont stop them, there won't be any hooooooome to go back to"
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 22, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
that's no† her voice.
they actually dubbed another voice over here, maybe because of her accent
Yup. Really stupid. ::)
is it just me or do the trailers/spots let the movie look xtremely stupid/mediocore blockbuster
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 22, 2012, 07:41:11 PM
is it just me or do the trailers/spots let the movie look xtremely stupid/mediocore blockbuster
Perish the thought!
You got:
A) Logan Marshall-Green
B) Ancient Astronaut-based storyline
C) Big Blue humanoid Guys
D) Giant tentacle beasties
E) Logan Marshall-Green
What could possibly go wrong?
The commercials are cut in different ways (with different scenes) to appeal to multiple audiences and fan types.
Something that looks stupid to one person might look cool to another.
it's just you...
Quote from: Deuterium on May 22, 2012, 07:47:25 PM
Perish the thought!
You got:
A) Logan Marshall-Green
B) Ancient Astronaut-based storyline
C) Big Blue humanoid Guys
D) Giant tentacle beasties
E) Logan Marshall-Green
What could possibly go wrong?
Deuterium, really. The only one we know for certain as a guaranteed suck is LMG. ;D Let's wait to see the film for the other ones. It hopefully won't be as bad as you think. ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 22, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
that's no† her voice.
they actually dubbed another voice over here, maybe because of her accent
Yup. Really stupid. ::)
i totally agree. it's very annoying. the first version was
perfect
Giant tentacle beastie?
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THAT would be cool.
she is so adorable ^^
Spoiler
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Deuterium, really. The only one we know for certain as a guaranteed suck is LMG. ;D Let's wait to see the film for the other ones. It hopefully won't be as bad as you think. ;)
I still haven't recovered from the latest revelation by Daniel Twiss.
I am not thinking rationally at the moment. I am going off to find an air shaft to explore.
Quote from: szkoki on May 22, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
she is so adorable ^^
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She's my big crush aside from Zooey Deschanel and Charlize Theron, for female movie stars right now.
So classy, and beautiful she's also a phenomenal actress.
I've also realized that it's been changed very recently to "if we don't stop IT, there won't be any home to go back to" into "if we don't stop THEM, there won't be any home to go back to". Kinda makes you wonder who "them" are going to be.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 22, 2012, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Deuterium, really. The only one we know for certain as a guaranteed suck is LMG. ;D Let's wait to see the film for the other ones. It hopefully won't be as bad as you think. ;)
I still haven't recovered from the latest revelation by Daniel Twiss.
I am not thinking rationally at the moment.
So very very Cynical you are Mr.Deuterium, have a little faith you just might like the film more than you are expecting. Hang in there buddy.
Quote from: nostromo mechanic on May 22, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
I've also realized that it's been changed very recently to "if we don't stop IT, there won't be any home to go back to" into "if we don't stop THEM, there won't be any home to go back to". Kinda makes you wonder who "them" are going to be.
Engineer and whatever other beasties that might appear in this movie is my guess but it is definitely interesting.
Man that old alien art looks like Medusa!
Quote from: Valaquen on May 22, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Giant tentacle beastie?
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/tumblr_lcqkh9x4vl1qbhsawo1_500.jpg
THAT would be cool.
It WOULD.
Too bad it won't look like that, though.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on May 22, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Man that old alien art looks like Medusa!
Kinda fits in with the whole Greek mythology theme of the movie, doesn't it? ;)
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 22, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
that's no† her voice.
they actually dubbed another voice over here, maybe because of her accent
Yup. Really stupid. ::)
i totally agree. it's very annoying. the first version was perfect
Is it really a different voice? I mean a different actor? I don't hear it myself. I get that they may have had Noomi redo the line, different versions, happens all the time. Hell Fellowship of the Ring was hugely re-recorded as they messed up the sound initially, it's quite noticeable at points that it's dubbed.
I think it's still Noomi, just a different version. She is still speaking with a Swedish accent trying to sound "prim & proper" English.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 22, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Giant tentacle beastie?
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/tumblr_lcqkh9x4vl1qbhsawo1_500.jpg
THAT would be cool.
Art was from Poltergeist 2 so they wont use this design :(
Quote from: geiger167 on May 22, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
Art was from Poltergeist 2 so they wont use this design :(
They used Giger's art from the failed DUNE project, I don't see why they wouldn't use rejected art from something else. Aside from the fact they won't anyway, but still. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on May 22, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: geiger167 on May 22, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
Art was from Poltergeist 2 so they wont use this design :(
They used Giger's art from the failed DUNE project, I don't see why they wouldn't use rejected art from something else. Aside from the fact they won't anyway, but still. :P
Can you imagine what the Dune Movie would've looked like with Giger's art?
Man, imagine it.
I am not a fan of Frank Herbert's Dune(The book and the movie) but I would've loved to see Giger's designs used for that film, but at least we get them in this movie. :D
I know it's probably not final framing but I find it hilarious nonetheless that the filmcrew managed to get themselfes in the trailer. :D
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Quote from: LarsVader on May 22, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
I know it's probably not final framing but I find it hilarious nonetheless that the filmcrew managed to get themselfes in the trailer. :D
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That isnt the film crew its the team on the expedition in the movie.
Quote from: szkoki on May 22, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
she is so adorable ^^
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Noomi needs to
HAPPEN! so amazing in every sense of the word
Noomi's hot.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 22, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on May 22, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
I know it's probably not final framing but I find it hilarious nonetheless that the filmcrew managed to get themselfes in the trailer. :D
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That isnt the film crew its the team on the expedition in the movie.
Naw, man. That's...
Spoiler
the earth-based expedition team that LMG and Noomi R are a part of when they find the relic that signifies visitors have been to their planet; this happens before they even join up with Weland and the Prometheus project
*chrisr232007: Didn't mean to include your comment in my quote; however, we agree. Sorry about any confusion.
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 22, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on May 22, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
I know it's probably not final framing but I find it hilarious nonetheless that the filmcrew managed to get themselfes in the trailer. :D
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That isnt the film crew its the team on the expedition in the movie.
Naw, man. That's...
Spoiler
the earth-based expedition team that LMG and Noomi R are a part of when they find the relic that signifies visitors have been to their planet; this happens before they even join up with Weland and the Prometheus project
*chrisr232007: Didn't mean to include your comment in my quote; however, we agree. Sorry about any confusion.
Its cool which we got the point out :D
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 22, 2012, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 22, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
she is so adorable ^^
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She's my big crush aside from Zooey Deschanel and Charlize Theron, for female movie stars right now.
So classy, and beautiful she's also a phenomenal actress.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on May 22, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
Noomi's hot.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 22, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
Noomi needs to HAPPEN! so amazing in every sense of the word
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 22, 2012, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: orchidal on May 22, 2012, 10:12:13 PM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on May 22, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on May 22, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
I know it's probably not final framing but I find it hilarious nonetheless that the filmcrew managed to get themselfes in the trailer. :D
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That isnt the film crew its the team on the expedition in the movie.
Naw, man. That's...
Spoiler
the earth-based expedition team that LMG and Noomi R are a part of when they find the relic that signifies visitors have been to their planet; this happens before they even join up with Weland and the Prometheus project
*chrisr232007: Didn't mean to include your comment in my quote; however, we agree. Sorry about any confusion.
Its cool which we got the point out :D
Possibly, but still looks more like the crew to me.
(high visibility jacket, gear etc. )
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Okay I know I'm walking through a minefield here avoiding the huge bomb spoiler that just happened this morning :laugh:, but I just have a burning question and have no idea where to throw it out or what state the general spoiler-loving community is at on this... There are multiple juggernauts, obviously, right? Prometheus stops the earth-bound one, but 4 temples - 4 juggs?
i was thinking about the same thing....BUT are they visiting every temple to wake up the other Engineers?
The tv spot with the Engineer struggling with the tenticled beast is amazing,shows to me that the Jockeys create what they cant control,like a frankenstien story.
That creature is totally on the movie posters. It's tough to see, but it's there:
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Quote from: Dorian Gray on May 22, 2012, 11:02:54 PM
That creature is totally on the movie posters. It's tough to see, but it's there:
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imo it could be anything
Quote from: Vepariga on May 22, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
The tv spot with the Engineer struggling with the tenticled beast is amazing,shows to me that the Jockeys create what they cant control,like a frankenstien story.
didnt you get the exact same thought when in the earlier trailers the Prometheus crashed into the juggernut? :P :P :P :P
ok so that is Cpt Janek and Chance in a space suit
Spoiler
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why would the pilots go outside with a flamethrower to fight if there is a bunch of mercenaries....just gave me the thought that they will survive the collision
Quote from: szkoki on May 22, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Vepariga on May 22, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
The tv spot with the Engineer struggling with the tenticled beast is amazing,shows to me that the Jockeys create what they cant control,like a frankenstien story.
didnt you get the exact same thought when in the earlier trailers the Prometheus crashed into the juggernut? :P :P :P :P
nope,because the other trailers never showed the engineer himself in a state of fighting for its life. The crashing just shows me that with no weapons on the ship the only way they can stop it is to smash into it.
That's possible... but not if they were anywhere near the cockpit. Images show that sucker smashed to hell and back. :laugh: Trying to figure out when Janek's out running around is a tough one... I'm glad we get more of him, though, not just "hey I'm the pilot, oshit people be dying, assholes going to Earth? Ramming speed!"
I love Idris Elba.
Janek in spacesuit with flamethrower is in ship fighting off infected crew members when they return from expedition after meeting with hammerpede. This is evident by the trailer clip showing him spray his flamethrower at mutated Fiefeild. Janek's likely wearing the suit just as a means to protect himself from possible contagion.
Another thing I just noticed, most likely been caught before but...
Spoiler
In the newer TV spot, #3, there's a scene with a smaller craft leaving the Prometheus before the collision. Could be Janek and Co. while Vickers stayed aboard for whatever reason and took the escape pod.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 23, 2012, 01:19:21 AM
That's possible... but not if they were anywhere near the cockpit. Images show that sucker smashed to hell and back. :laugh: Trying to figure out when Janek's out running around is a tough one... I'm glad we get more of him, though, not just "hey I'm the pilot, oshit people be dying, assholes going to Earth? Ramming speed!"
I love Idris Elba.
Yeah and I like we got some more lines from him in this new tv spot. I can honestly say I love his character, and he is an amazing actor.
I Love Naomi.... (and yes, she is WAY hot...) But the line "it's an invitation" drives me nuts!! Maybe it's her accent or the way she says it... won't stop me from getting off on the movie!!! I'll just cover my ears when she is about to say the line! :laugh:
I firmly believe that Vickers is android and there will be a connection to Blade Runner made.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 23, 2012, 03:23:41 AM
I firmly believe that Vickers is android and there will be a connection to Blade Runner made.
Will the name "Dr. Edmond Tyrell" come up? Hmmmm.... ;)
Watch it turn out that he was college chums with Peter Weyland.
If a connection is made with Blade Runner I will murder both a goat AND a hobo.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 03:35:26 AM
If a connection is made with Blade Runner I will murder both a goat AND a hobo.
You may not want to do that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FZ6H810Bv8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FZ6H810Bv8#ws)
Hobo's can be armed, and very dangerous.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 23, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 23, 2012, 03:23:41 AM
I firmly believe that Vickers is android and there will be a connection to Blade Runner made.
Will the name "Dr. Edmond Tyrell" come up? Hmmmm.... ;)
Watch it turn out that he was college chums with Peter Weyland.
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Quote from: Deuterium on May 23, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 23, 2012, 03:23:41 AM
I firmly believe that Vickers is android and there will be a connection to Blade Runner made.
Will the name "Dr. Edmond Tyrell" come up? Hmmmm.... ;)
Watch it turn out that he was college chums with Peter Weyland.
;D
I really doubt there will be any connection to Blade Runner.... Blade Runner took place in 2019, Dr. Tyrell was killed in that year. The ALIEN universe takes place a wee-bit later than that... unless you are thinking TYRELL is a replicant/clone/android like Bishop (Aliens/Alien 3)... hmmm... now you got me thinking....
Quote from: Ahnyxrik on May 23, 2012, 03:17:34 AM
I Love Naomi.... (and yes, she is WAY hot...) But the line "it's an invitation" drives me nuts!! Maybe it's her accent or the way she says it... won't stop me from getting off on the movie!!! I'll just cover my ears when she is about to say the line! :laugh:
I don't mind it, but more importantly, it's
her accent. I like her accent ;-)
I dont think Vickers is an android. And I dont believe a BR reference will be seen,if it is then a part of my soul will be left in the cinema.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 22, 2012, 06:38:46 PM
Get to work on those gifs of 1080p Starbeast, people!
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Quote from: Vepariga on May 23, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Quote from: szkoki on May 22, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Vepariga on May 22, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
The tv spot with the Engineer struggling with the tenticled beast is amazing,shows to me that the Jockeys create what they cant control,like a frankenstien story.
didnt you get the exact same thought when in the earlier trailers the Prometheus crashed into the juggernut? :P :P :P :P
nope,because the other trailers never showed the engineer himself in a state of fighting for its life. The crashing just shows me that with no weapons on the ship the only way they can stop it is to smash into it.
i was pointing out the bold part of your comment :P
really beautiful face
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Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
really beautiful face
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4had3JdOQ1rnm594o1_500.png
Awesome, thanks Denda. The bridge of the nose... not quite human.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
really beautiful face
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4had3JdOQ1rnm594o1_500.png
Looks like there's some cgi missing yet.
@cgi
do yoü think the tentacles are cgi?
i would think they are but they look really touchable or they just did a great job on them
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
@cgi
do yoü think the tentacles are cgi?
i would think they are but they look really touchable or they just did a great job on them
Yes, the tentacles are definitely CGI. To get the proper kinematics for a tentacle beastie, the only realistic approach is through CGI. Otherwise you got less ideal, old-school methods involving wires and possibly reverse motion filming.
looks like holloway when he approaches the ship about to get burned, but this is after further transformation
I've felt from the beginning of production that Ridley wouldn't have crap CGI in his film... If I'm wrong, I'll really be knocked down to a new level of pissed off/on, but so far everything looks un-flipping-believable. I haven't seen CGI like that since Jurassic Park!
Yes, your feelings are correct: that last statement is true and should shock and offend! We have so much mass-produced, cheap looking CGI. It seems every film doesn't push the medium forward in a natural manner, just those rare mega-blockbusters that shell out for the real stuff?
But the man smokes cubans. He's gonna get the good shit, CGI imported from Cuba so he and his brother can sit around and talk shit.
I agree the engineer head looks like a mold where the cgi is still missing. Also, position of his nose seems to fit the jockey mask perfectly.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 23, 2012, 03:13:22 PM
But the man smokes cubans. He's gonna get the good shit, CGI imported from Cuba so he and his brother can sit around and talk shit.
I agree, this is the best CGI iv seen since Terminator 2. As we know a lot of sets have been built for this I dont mind CGI filling in the rest. Prometheus feels like a film where cinematography wins over the CGI, which is most important to any film.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 23, 2012, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 23, 2012, 03:13:22 PM
But the man smokes cubans. He's gonna get the good shit, CGI imported from Cuba so he and his brother can sit around and talk shit.
I agree, this is the best CGI iv seen since Terminator 2. As we know a lot of sets have been built for this I dont mind CGI filling in the rest. Prometheus feels like a film where cinematography wins over the CGI, which is most important to any film.
I would add Jurrasic Park, JPII, The Lord of the Rings, King Kong (except for the dinosaur stampede scene), the first 2 Pirates of the Caribbean, War of the Worlds and
District 9. Let's not forget District 9, which showed that great CGI can be accomplished on a "reasonable" budget.
I am probably missing a few, as well. But I agree with the main point...the examples of truly excellent CGI are few and far between.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 23, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 23, 2012, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 23, 2012, 03:13:22 PM
But the man smokes cubans. He's gonna get the good shit, CGI imported from Cuba so he and his brother can sit around and talk shit.
I agree, this is the best CGI iv seen since Terminator 2. As we know a lot of sets have been built for this I dont mind CGI filling in the rest. Prometheus feels like a film where cinematography wins over the CGI, which is most important to any film.
I would add Jurrasic Park, JPII, The Lord of the Rings, King Kong (except for the dinosaur stampede scene), the first 2 Pirates of the Caribbean, War of the Worlds and District 9. Let's not forget District 9, which showed that great CGI could be accomplished on a "reasonable" budget.
I am probably missing a few, as well. But I agree with the main point...the examples of trully excellent CGI are few and far between.
Yeah I would include them in the great CGI rankings but some of the effects pulled you out of the film. I remember watching LOTR, Gollum wasnt that well done to be honest. He looked too much like he was from a video game. Completely agrre with you on District 9, very realistic. CGI only works if it looks believable and you dont notice, huge cgi action scenes dont work thats why i didnt mention the others
i just was reading the old fake "alien harvest" script....
it was beautiful...
but with my english i didn't understand why fin killed karik...
sry for off topic
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 04:28:12 PM
i just was reading the old fake "alien harvest" script....
it was beautiful...
but with my english i didn't understand why fin killed karik...
Because he was a Weyland-Yutani spy. Or something.
Stupid.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 04:28:12 PM
i just was reading the old fake "alien harvest" script....
it was beautiful...
but with my english i didn't understand why fin killed karik...
sry for off topic
Remind me to send all of my future epic screenplays to you, for critical review. ;) ;D
he left some mark with his hand.... nah doesn't matter i liked it<3<3<3
the story was a bit strange and there were a few illogical scenes, but i liked how yoü can image the atmosphere...
it wasn't just some random sci-fi epos, with story that everybody has seen etc
i had read another script (fake) from prommy yesterday.it was boring as hell.
even if it was much closer to prometheus than harvest
The Engineer's profile reminds me so much of the painting on the back of the Ultravox album Rage In Eden (showing my age I know! yes I was a teenage New Romantic...).
http://images.coveralia.com/audio/u/Ultravox-Rage_In_Eden_(1981)-Interior_Frontal.jpg (http://images.coveralia.com/audio/u/Ultravox-Rage_In_Eden_(1981)-Interior_Frontal.jpg)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 23, 2012, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
really beautiful face
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4had3JdOQ1rnm594o1_500.png
Awesome, thanks Denda. The bridge of the nose... not quite human.
Oh my god that looks so weird, I actually felt repulsed.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
he left some mark with his hand.... nah doesn't matter i liked it<3<3<3
the story was a bit strange and there were a few illogical scenes, but i liked how yoü can image the atmosphere...
it wasn't just some random sci-fi epos, with story that everybody has seen etc
i had read another script (fake) from prommy yesterday.it was boring as hell.
even if it was much closer to prometheus than harvest
It was rather beautiful....Imagine the horrified looks from the straight moviegoiers would of had when the two male characters have mind controlled sex. Brokeback in space is what I called that script lol.
That would have been some Von Trier-level audience trolling. Too bad the script itself was terrible.
i don't think the rape scene was beautiful, but i liked how those 2 men were in this situation, wit 2 other parallel actions going on, how the jockey died, how karik lies to fin, the whole atmosphere, the tracking of the derelict
i only didn't like the cat-alien scene (toooo long) and that that a str8 guy kisses fin all the time... but weird
didn't notice that yoü are for lgbt rights o.O
i applaud this more than some homophobes that are more scared by "gay" actions that of parasites growing in their own bodies
I am really glad that script was fake.
It was the most hokey, contrived and godawful thing I'd ever read.
The gay sections read out like they were a statement, just to be there to be controversial. It absolutely reeked of an agenda so much I found it genuinely offensive, and repugnant.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:19:28 PM
The gay sections read out like they were a statement, just to be there to be controversial. It absolutely reeked of an agenda so much I found it genuinely offensive, and repugnant.
No they didn't. They reaked of fanboy trolling. Mission accomplished.
i find it sad that people think the most interesting or striking aspect was the gay scene....
there was more about it, the whole script and the atmosphere
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:21:40 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:19:28 PM
The gay sections read out like they were a statement, just to be there to be controversial. It absolutely reeked of an agenda so much I found it genuinely offensive, and repugnant.
No they didn't. They reaked of fanboy trolling. Mission accomplished.
I still found it offensive and repugnant, however what you said is true too.
That said, the moment I started reading it I knew it was fake.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
I still found it offensive and repugnant, however what you said is true too.
Offended because you knew you were being trolled, or because it was gay themed?
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
i find it sad that people think the most interesting or striking aspect was the gay scene....
there was more about it, the whole script and the atmosphere
The whole script was poppycock, in my opinion which of course doesn't make what I say law.
I am merely stating my opinion, the only part I kind of liked was the miniature facehuggers. :D
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
Offended because you knew you were being trolled, or because it was gay themed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6VPFQw6BU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6VPFQw6BU#ws)
Sorry. Immaturity alert!
I wasn't so much offended by that being in there. It was honestly the way it was being used. It was being used to purposely piss people off.
Then again that whole script is so off the wall. Very very bizarre ideas.
no calm yo tiz, this is not about the lgbt community, but about some script where ONE scene features a little gayness.... despite the kissing thoughout the script
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 23, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
I wasn't so much offended by that being in there. It was honestly the way it was being used. It was being used to purposely piss people off.
I hope whoever wrote it extracted all the precious, precious LOLz he so craved from the fanboy community's reaction. :laugh:
even if it was just a troll.... if found the story, the characters and the atmosphere more interesting in most of todays films
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
i don't think the rape scene was beautiful, but i liked how those 2 men were in this situation, wit 2 other parallel actions going on, how the jockey died, how karik lies to fin, the whole atmosphere, the tracking of the derelict
i only didn't like the cat-alien scene (toooo long) and that that a str8 guy kisses fin all the time... but weird
didn't notice that yoü are for lgbt rights o.O
i applaud this more than some homophobes that are more scared by "gay" actions that of parasites growing in their own bodies
I thought it was beautiful. Two men engaging in forbidden love, light-years away from Earth. Sure it was wierd as f*ck but this is coming from Ridley, the director who made a strong female lead character and in the directors cut of Alien, had a little easter egg concerning sex-change operations.
didn't notice that yoü are for lgbt rights o.O
i applaud this more than some homophobes that are more scared by "gay" actions that of parasites growing in their own bodies
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well duh, I'm gay dude. It is every gay persons duty to be active in lobbying for equal rights.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
I still found it offensive and repugnant, however what you said is true too.
Offended because you knew you were being trolled, or because it was gay themed?
I hope you aren't implying I am some kind of homophobe, because I am not.
I honestly don't care about someones sexuality, even if it's something I disapprove of on some level. That doesn't mean I will treat someone differently, because that is childish you shouldn't pick on someone just because they are different. I've been bullied and picked on my entire life, I've stood up for many gay people because I do feel their pain a bit in that they are often ostracized for their preference or choice.
I am not gay, but I do understand their plight and on some level I sympathize with that. Several of some of my closest female and male friends are gay and I love them just the same.
Now to be on topic, I didn't like the script because it was a contrived, poorly written troll attempt that didn't really have anything in it that I thought an Alien Prequel would have. The atmosphere I was looking for and the thematic themes were missing and the creature was a terrible idea.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
even if it was just a troll.... if found the story, the characters and the atmosphere more interesting in most of todays films
That's more a sad reflection on today's blockbusters than it is on the dubious quality of Alien Harvest.
calm yo tiz, i don't know the sexuality of everyones' member here, sry
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:31:28 PM
Now to be on topic, I didn't like the script because it was a contrived, poorly written troll attempt that didn't really have anything in it that I thought an Alien Prequel would have. The atmosphere I was looking for and the thematic themes were missing and the creature was a terrible idea.
That's more like it.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on May 23, 2012, 08:30:46 PM
I thought it was beautiful. Two men engaging in forbidden love, light-years away from Earth. Sure it was wierd as f*ck but this is coming from Ridley, the director who made a strong female lead character and in the directors cut of Alien, had a little easter egg concerning sex-change operations.
You thought mind control alien rape beautiful? I mean, yeah, they developed feelings after that, but it did start with rape. That's not exactly a recipe for a relationship that's going to last. Ya know?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
That's more a sad reflection on today's blockbusters than it is on the dubious quality of Alien Harvest.
Indeed. it is true though. Alien Harvast at least had some original ideas.
i didn't like the ants idea...
the quality.... well
i named the 3 aspects that i liked,
atmosphere, characters and story (and also the 3-action construction)
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Indeed. it is true though. Alien Harvast at least had some original ideas.
so proud... that's what i found so good about it
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 23, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
You thought mind control alien rape beautiful? I mean, yeah, they developed feelings after that, but it did start with rape. That's not exactly a recipe for a relationship that's going to last. Ya know?
LOLz. You would think...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VictimFallsForRapist?from=Main.RapeIsLove (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VictimFallsForRapist?from=Main.RapeIsLove)
and again the discussion goes on over the f**kin rape scene....
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
calm yo tiz, i don't know the sexuality of everyones' member here, sry
I was merely explaining myself so that no one gets any idea in their head that I am some kind of backwards homophobe.
I can't stand bullies, or ignorant people.
You should not be treated differently irregardless of your skin, race, gender, interests, or sexuality. I'm sorry if I seemed heated but stuff like that makes my blood boil, and I am an outspoken person in real life. If I see someone being accosted on the street, I will help them, if someone is being ridiculed for their interests or choice I will stand up for them.
I cannot tell you how many times people have bullied me because of my interests in literature, comic books, cinema and video games.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 23, 2012, 02:37:16 PMTo get the proper kinematics for a tentacle beastie, the only realistic approach is through CGI.
Thought they did a pretty good job with practical FX on
Tremors,
The Thing and
Little Shop of Horrors (and
HellBoy for that matter).
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
and again the discussion goes on over the f**kin rape scene....
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fnv5nqo.png&hash=2d1866bd92260ae66ec94164076159357855bc06)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 23, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on May 23, 2012, 02:37:16 PMTo get the proper kinematics for a tentacle beastie, the only realistic approach is through CGI.
Thought they did a pretty good job with practical FX on Tremors and Little Shop of Horrors (and HellBoy for that matter).
I love WETA, they do amazing work and I can't wait to see what they do in the film.
Tremors and Little Shop of Horrors. :D Feed meh Seymour! Classics!
As for Hellboy(and its sequel) the special effects were absolutely phenomenal.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 23, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Thought they did a pretty good job with practical FX on Tremors, The Thing and Little Shop of Horrors (and HellBoy for that matter).
Definitely! Especially Audrey II.
Imagine a CGI Audrey II.
Imagine it.>_>
i am a little monster (huuuge lady gaga fan)
and bulling is against everything she stands for.
i never bullied and i never will... never.
cos a human, a social, intellectual being, shouldn't do such things, but let's not discuss it here.
and don't be offended, i was not angry or pissed or anything
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 23, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Thought they did a pretty good job with practical FX on Tremors, The Thing and Little Shop of Horrors (and HellBoy for that matter).
Definitely! Especially Audrey II.
Imagine a CGI Audrey II. Imagine it.
>_>
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caged.in%2Fvar%2Falbums%2FMemes%2FWHAT%2520THE%2520f%2A%2Ak%2520AM%2520I%2520READING.jpg%3Fm%3D1296420325&hash=e8cb4f94d3ec83552369ebbfefc31bc8a9a1c682)
What is this..I don't even.
My brain literally cannot process that idea. Frank Oz's masterpiece would not even...ugh. Just. Ugh.
*barf*
Sorry I literally had a terrible reaction there LOL, I mean that movie is one of my most FAVORITE movies of all time(and I love the Play as well).
the very Notion of a CGI anything in that movie...
Oh, it will happen people. When every other beloved 80's cult classic has been remade, they will come for Little Shop.
And CGI Audrey II will be voiced by Rhianna, and Shia Labeouf will play Seymour.
rahanni to keep her f**king ƒingers from movies
her videos are bad enough
Anyway, we need to get back on topic before the mods bring their wrath down upon us.
So, who thinks grown-up squidbaby is partly inspired by Joss Whedon's original description of the Newborn?
Anyone? Anyone?
original description?
Was described as a big, white-ish bug thing that sucked out people's innards.
And it, uh, later grew wings and stuff.
As bad as people think the Newborn we ended up with is, it could have been a lot worse.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:51:45 PM
Oh, it will happen people. When every other beloved 80's cult classic has been remade, they will come for Little Shop.
And CGI Audrey II will be voiced by Rhianna, and Shia Labeouf will play Seymour.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I will nuke Hollywood from Orbit if that happens.
Since we are sorta talking about Prequels, I wish they'd released the completely finished Director's Cut of The Thing Prequel that has all of the practical effects and character development.
They literally had to re-shoot the entire film because the studio thought it was "Too disturbing" and too close to being a true prequel to Carpenter's Film. That said, I would like to say that I did like what we got but damnit that Director's Cut of the film that is waaay longer than what we got. They said they might release it to DVD/Blu-Ray but fat chance of it actually happening. Ugh, movie studios.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Was described as a big, white-ish bug thing that sucked out people's innards.
And it, uh, later grew wings and stuff.
As bad as people think the Newborn we ended up with is, it could have been a lot worse.
Oh my god, that's terrible.
So it basically was this?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.btlnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2FLR-starship_troopers_brain_bug.jpg&hash=fb59f07e16aa494f3173fa5c36d53682e7653057)
But with wings?
I remember that apparently the Newborn was also going to have a penis and a vagina but the studio made them change it.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
I remember that apparently the Newborn was also going to have a penis and a vagina but the studio made them change it.
Yep. They digitally airbrushed the genitals out in post. If you Google the newborn in image search you can see the original animatronic in its full, uh, glory.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Was described as a big, white-ish bug thing that sucked out people's innards.
And it, uh, later grew wings and stuff.
As bad as people think the Newborn we ended up with is, it could have been a lot worse.
I read Whedon's draft. I don't remember it ever having wings. Was that when they had crashed down to Earth and fought it with the combine thing?
I really don't remember that.I do remember that it was described as being bone white, with veins running the side of it's head. It had a special kind of a head-bite mechanism. Instead of biting someone and them dying instantly, it would drain their bodies of blood, and it would tint red, much like certain bugs/insects become darker or a reddish color when they feed.
It was way more badass than the emo-bitch thing we got in the movie, imho.
As far as Mr. Tentacles? I hope there truly is some kind of a humanoid form attached to those tentacles. Something more gigerian. My gut says no though, it'll be just a giant version of that squid we saw in the operating scene. It's literally just a squid monster. Lol.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 23, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
and again the discussion goes on over the f**kin rape scene....
I was asking the dude to clarify what he found particularly beautiful in that relationship, given it's origins. That's all.
I remember wings, dammit! When they fight it on Earth. From the very first draft, I think.
Unless I'm having early onset Alzheimers.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
I remember wings, dammit! When they fight it on Earth. From the very first draft, I think.
Unless I'm having early onset Alzheimers.
We're gonna have to put you in a Home Cvalda, I'm sorry dear.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Was described as a big, white-ish bug thing that sucked out people's innards.
And it, uh, later grew wings and stuff.
As bad as people think the Newborn we ended up with is, it could have been a lot worse.
Oh my god, that's terrible.
So it basically was this?
http://www.btlnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/LR-starship_troopers_brain_bug.jpg
But with wings?
I remember that apparently the Newborn was also going to have a penis and a vagina but the studio made them change it.
Kind of reminds me of
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100628155323%2Fhalf-life%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fa%2Fa2%2FEp_end_34.jpg&hash=7c6e84f8ebbcf95d2539d3180a7d3d468a49ddc8)
which is just a less detailed rip off of the brain bug - but hey - it can fly and is telepathic.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 23, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 23, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Was described as a big, white-ish bug thing that sucked out people's innards.
And it, uh, later grew wings and stuff.
As bad as people think the Newborn we ended up with is, it could have been a lot worse.
Oh my god, that's terrible.
So it basically was this?
http://www.btlnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/LR-starship_troopers_brain_bug.jpg
But with wings?
I remember that apparently the Newborn was also going to have a penis and a vagina but the studio made them change it.
Kind of reminds me of
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100628155323%2Fhalf-life%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fa%2Fa2%2FEp_end_34.jpg&hash=7c6e84f8ebbcf95d2539d3180a7d3d468a49ddc8)
which is just a less detailed rip off of the brain bug - but hey - it can fly and is telepathic.
Combine Advisors, I will never forgive them for that one.
Newborn was described to be more like this
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THE QUEENS BELLY POPS OPEN. Blood shoots everywhere, burning into the walls.
And all the screaming stops. The movement stops. Even Ripley stops. Silence.
Something emerges from the wound.
An alien, to be sure, but nothing we've seen so far, its forelegs arch out of its back
like spiders legs, its back legs set on enormous haunches, thick and powerful.
Its head is long, eyeless, like the others, but along its white expanse red veins,
coming out of the skin and running like thick black hairs to the back.
It has retracted pincers at the side of head that come out when its tongue does.
Its much bigger the the others, nearly the size of the queen herself.
And it's bone white.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 23, 2012, 09:55:09 PM
Newborn was described to be more like this
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Looks better but still....ugh.
Better photo
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Why Eli....Whyyyyyyyy. :-[
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Why Eli....Whyyyyyyyy. :-[
A better question: where the frickerfrackers is Episode 3?
Quote from: Qwertify on May 23, 2012, 10:44:11 PM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 23, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Why Eli....Whyyyyyyyy. :-[
A better question: where the frickerfrackers is Episode 3?
Gabe's too busy making hats and playing DOTA 2 to give a shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25p-j96Tkk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25p-j96Tkk#ws)
Sure sounds like Shaw says, "DIEEEE!" there at the end. :-\
Saw a newer 1 minute tv spot on SyFy just a bit ago....and they flashed Mr. squiddy.....
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
Saw a newer 1 minute tv spot on SyFy just a bit ago....and they flashed Mr. squiddy.....
Wow - what details did they show? Just the same or did we get a body shot?
Anyway you can upload what you saw?
Just tentacles...but some new footage maybe? I'm tired, not positive.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 04:28:16 AM
Just tentacles...but some new footage maybe? I'm tired, not positive.
Yeah it is morning over here. That is cool. Maybe they will post it online later. I imagine the spoilers will only get bigger and bigger from now on.
Holy crack pots!
Have we seen this 1 sec clip at ~1:28 here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws)
Bumparoo!
Anyone can give any info on the clip above?
Apparently that is Shaw and Holloway on the ground holding each other as the Hologram Jockey's go by??
WOW! It keeps getting better & better AND BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
I don't think this movie will disappoint.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 25, 2012, 04:38:44 AM
Have we seen this 1 sec clip at ~1:28 here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws)
Yep. Shortened version of the Origins featurette.
I have to throw this out there: You guys and all of your mad fiendish talk of being so upset by Ridley's 'science' comments, like the one he makes about "walking around the truth," and Lindelof's comment, etc... Uh, to me that's obviously a brilliant angle to spin this movie on.
The whole 'found footage' bullshit and 'maybe this could be possibly real or was once in some way' Fourth Kind bullshit are steaming hot right now, culturally speaking. Those are frankly brilliant things to say from a movie marketing perspective, as you can get away with them and entice even more moviegoers that are suckers for the whole what-if, found-footage type of thing.
As long as it's treated seriously, which you can obviously tell that it is, the masses will come running.
Brilliant, I say. :laugh: You guys put the anal in over-analysis.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on May 25, 2012, 06:16:44 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 25, 2012, 04:38:44 AM
Have we seen this 1 sec clip at ~1:28 here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Duhf4bvIs#ws)
Yep. Shortened version of the Origins featurette.
Good catch. Sometimes hard to keep up with all the new little bits.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 06:18:46 AM
I have to throw this out there: You guys and all of your mad fiendish talk of being so upset by Ridley's 'science' comments, like the one he makes about "walking around the truth," and Lindelof's comment, etc... Uh, to me that's obviously a brilliant angle to spin this movie on.
The whole 'found footage' bullshit and 'maybe this could be possibly real or was once in some way' Fourth Kind bullshit are steaming hot right now, culturally speaking. Those are frankly brilliant things to say from a movie marketing perspective, as you can get away with them and entice even more moviegoers that are suckers for the whole what-if, found-footage type of thing.
As long as it's treated seriously, which you can obviously tell that it is, the masses will come running.
Brilliant, I say. :laugh: You guys put the anal in over-analysis.
That's all well and good Rage, but they aren't talking about the found footage angle, at all. This movie isn't shot documentary style where that applies. This is a conventional movie where actors playing characters as scientists are going to representing their respective fields. It would be nice if thousands of years worth of cultivated research was at least acknowledged. I really hope there is some kind of a scene that is in there that will at least say "We were designed to evolve in an environment that was built for us. It was predetermined. - Here's some proof. " Some attempt to appreciate Evolution, natural selection, et al. Science is important when dealing with science fiction, to a degree. Smart science fiction is good science fiction, and imho, it isn't something we honestly get these days. We get movies with technomagic mostly. :)
It's a movie. Alien featured sound in space. Who cares?
Kind of what I thought, which is why I've been avoiding the entire topic. I also don't have as much information on the film as has probably been available...
I have my own thoughts on it, and to each their own. This movie looks to be great science-fiction, whether it acknowledges the academic definition of human evolution or not. I really fail to see what it has to do with the potential Prometheus storyline.
I'm sure there are some skeptics and hardliners in the film, I mean that's kind of what some of the core character elements are that are being contrasted.
The hard SF you refer to, OpenMaw, is much easier to find in literature. Films aren't that way and never really have been, imo.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 25, 2012, 06:44:49 AM
It's a movie. Alien featured sound in space. Who cares?
I do. It honestly didn't need it, as many contemporary science fiction shows have shown - You don't need sound in space for it to be dramatic or interesting. :)
No, but they used it anyway, for dramatic license. Because it was a scary movie in space, not a Carl Sagan doc. Same here.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 06:49:28 AM
I'm sure there are some skeptics and hardliners in the film, I mean that's kind of what some of the core character elements are that are being contrasted.
To me, so far, It really doesn't sound like this is going to be addressed. "We were made by them." "Oh shit" - end of conversation. Which is disheartening because this movie keeps being... Projected, by the film makers as a "2001", and a film about questions... And as far as I can see, for the many faults of 2001, it gave
space in particular a very deep realism.
I mean, if they're going to say things like that, that basically put them in the league with 2001, and compare what they're trying to achieve with their film, i'm going to expect that the facts are at least passively known.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 06:49:28 AM
The hard SF you refer to, OpenMaw, is much easier to find in literature. Films aren't that way and never really have been, imo.
I'm just saying, it will be very unfortunate if the scientists don't even pay some simple lip service to basic evolutionary theory and all the things we know. If it simply goes "All that shit was simply wrong." And we don't have any characters actually having some air knocked out of them over it, ya know, their life's work just being totally shaken to it's core, i'm going to be disappointed in that respect. If anything it would make for some very compelling character moments.
So far the focus is on these Engineer characters, "they're real", and then Shaw has a crisis of her faith in them. "we were wrong." Nothing seems to be even remotely indicated about the fossil record, or evolution, or anything like that, and going by Ridley Scott's reaction to this kind of criticisms, they simply don't give a damn.
If i'm alone in this regard. So be it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 25, 2012, 07:10:50 AM
No, but they used it anyway, for dramatic license. Because it was a scary movie in space, not a Carl Sagan doc. Same here.
There's more than just two extremes. I'm not asking for a documentary. I'm asking for
acknowledgement. There is plenty of character based drama to draw from it, too.
It seems like any time someone tries to be critical of the science in this film, people swing to the "Oh JESUS, you want this to be a boring movie" No I don't. I just want the film makers to be honest with themselves. Either you're doing hard science fiction with a high level of realism, like 2001, or you're doing an epic space adventure that is ultimately a what if fantasy about our origins. Pick one. You cannot be about both. Here's why, if the movie is asking questions, and therefore expecting the audience to, if they(the audience) actually bother to research anything they're going to find the film is severely flawed in it's fundamental logic. So in my view, you have to decide what you want the movie to be, and make a stand. Don't try to be both.
Hey, Cosmos is a wonderful series. Ridley Scott seems to be awe struck by some very long known basic scientific speculation. If he had watched that 13 part story going into Prometheus, I bet things would be quite different.
I am not knocking Sagan, I just think there's a time and place for that. This film was never it.
Prometheus can certainly probe these questions while still telling an entertaining story. Nor was 2001 the only film out there - before or since, I believe - to play with those big ideas in a variety of different ways. Kubrick chose to tell Clarke's story a certain way; Scott has other options. I don't agree that it's either/or at all. This movie is trading on a classic sci-fi premise, asking some questions and then playing it up for thrills and chills. And that's fine (with me, anyway).
The references to 2001 come from Ridley, and people involved with the film. Not me. It's in one of the interviews.
But, ask yourself this, why are we as an audience asking questions? What's the point of putting those in there? The director puts questions in the movie because he wants the audience to think. Now, at least in my world, asking questions, and thinking, generally means you should be aiming for somewhere in the neighborhood of "truth."
If the questions are not to be answered. Or if the audience doesn't give a damn about the truth, what's the point of these questions? Idly pondering them is... Dubious, if the truth is basically uninvited because "it gets in the way of the fun."
Don't get me wrong. The cast is great, the scenery and effects look great, the acting looks mostly good, and the horror looks terrific. The only hang up I have is the dodgy science.
I think it's simply that the film's answers are much more in the vein of pulp sci-fi than hard science. That may or may not be accurate - we'll see how much actual science they put in - but I don't have a problem with them glossing over the nuts and bolts too much in favor of a good story. I do think there will be some science put forth.
OpenMaw.......Ridley just said it himself, it's a movie, not a science class. If the science is going to ruin the film for you,you're going to see it for all the wrong reasons.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 25, 2012, 07:07:26 AM
You don't need sound in space for it to be dramatic or interesting. :)
Funnily enough, that's exactly why Ridley said he used it. And Star Wars... very dramatic and interesting. But yes, a movie, not a class, here. And Ridley has invoked myth just as numerously, if not more so, than he has 2001.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 11:06:57 AMRidley just said it himself, it's a movie, not a science class.
And judging by his recent rambles I say thank f**k for that. ;D
Quote from: Valaquen on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 25, 2012, 07:07:26 AM
You don't need sound in space for it to be dramatic or interesting. :)
Funnily enough, that's exactly why Ridley said he used it. And Star Wars... very dramatic and interesting. But yes, a movie, not a class, here. And Ridley has invoked myth just as numerously, if not more so, than he has 2001.
Yes. This is absolutely correct.
I have also heard George Lucas mention the importance of "audio montage" where you combine all the sounds of an area into one. So just because space does not transmit the sound from one spaceship to the next - the combination of both is intuitive to the audience. For instance, when one ship is shooting lasers, those lasers vibrate the hull of both the ship shooting them and the ship getting hit. One ship can only hear one of those sounds however. When the ship you hit with you lasers blows up - you cannot hear it. Likewise, if you are the ship that gets hit - you don't hear the lasers being hired up on you. However - to get the whole story - you can combine the shots.
It is as intuitive as cutting from one cockpit to the next as if you were in both ships. Lucas said that it would be pretty silly to say being in two places at once is impossible in terms of the cinema. We cut through vast distances of space and time frequently. If people want to cry foul over the space sound issue - then all one can say is that should be hardly audible in comparison to all the other rules cinema is always breaking.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
OpenMaw.......Ridley just said it himself, it's a movie, not a science class. If the science is going to ruin the film for you,you're going to see it for all the wrong reasons.
Let me repeat back. I know it's not science class. I'm asking simply for basic scientific things to at least get some lip service. That's it. Especially if the movie is going to pretend it's smart.
Ya know, like that classic movie everyone loves about making
dinosaurs? How it addressed the
science behind it all in great, entertaining, detail, and played it out as a central theme of the movie? All the while asking big ass questions about playing God, nature, etc?
What I want, but I probably won't get. But, something like this:
INT. PROMETHEUS - BRIEFING
The holographic images of the glyphs flicker by, Holloway concludes his briefing. Milburn raises a hand.
MILBURN
Waitaminute, you two are full of shit! We have records going back thousands of years that show exactly where we came from. This "discovery" of yours sounds like a load of Von Daniken bollocks. This brings evolution, and just about every other fundamental scientific theory on biological and our own history into question. How do you reconcile that with what you're saying? Where's your proof beyond some vague cave paintings?
Holloway and Shaw exchange a look. There's more to their story. He pushes more buttons on his holocube. A strand of human DNA appears, rotating in the light beautifully. A small smile forms on David's face.
HOLLOWAY
"Using the new blah blah Weyland tech, blah blah, we discovered a series of things that indicate our evolutionary path may have been coordinated and calculated over the course of millions of years. We're talking macro science and engineering on a scale previously unimaginable. They left a signature in our genetic code. Something that up until a few years ago was undetectable. They planned everything, very carefully.
The group exchange breathless looks. The two young adventurours have rattled some of their most firmly held views about our origins.
"Oh God, it's science classs... Augh. Terrible." Please... :laugh: How silly of me to expect
science in a
science fiction film.
You cannot be high brow and intellectual and "f*ck it, it's a movie" at the same time. That's skitzo. Either you're going to research the background of what you're delving into, and be faithful to that, or you're just pulling shit out of your ass and there is no point in "asking questions." Because there never were any legitimate answers. The movie sets out with a farce agenda in that regard.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Funnily enough, that's exactly why Ridley said he used it. And Star Wars... very dramatic and interesting. But yes, a movie, not a class, here. And Ridley has invoked myth just as numerously, if not more so, than he has 2001.
Ridley has evoked a lot of stuff, and frankly, he's gone to both ends of the bell curve. Brilliance, and silliness.
I'm not really sure of your point in saying "that's why he did it." I can think of a dozen examples of space based situations where no sound in space has produced one hell of a dramatic moment. That one is more down to choice, and i've never felt there was a right choice in that regard. Either way works from a
dramatic stand point. It's merely how you do it, and frankly it's rather irrelevant to Prometheus since they spend most of their time inside a planetary atmosphere anyway.
Also, that one doesn't bother me because everybody pretty much knows that there's no sound in space these days. It's one of those tropes that is simply understood and accepted. Evolutionary theory, Darwinism, the fossil record. Those kind of things are not necessarily nearly as well understood by the general audience, and it would be nice if this movie was used as an opportunity to at least throw the facts as they are currently understood in there, to contrast with what the movie is trying to say, so far, i'm not seeing that even the slightest.
I think picking apart a film that no one has seen yet is kind of redundant.
Sound in space works in Alien. It is a defining moment in the film; your technology and your protocols are adrift; space doesn't care, and nobody can hear you. Wind in space might be dumb, but that one cue had a massive impact.
It's science FICTION. Fiction, fiction, fiction. Jesus fu€king Christ man!
But you are entitled to disliking the film before you see it and cite its flaws to the world :) TALLY HO! hehehehehe :) :laugh: :laugh: ;D
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 25, 2012, 12:24:49 PM
Sound in space works in Alien. It is a defining moment in the film; your technology and your protocols are adrift; space doesn't care, and nobody can hear you. Wind in space might be dumb, but that one cue had a massive impact.
Was never arguing that point. Was merely saying, it could work very effectively without the sound too. It's an artistic choice more than something worth getting into a scientific fight over.
Quote from: Vepariga on May 25, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
I think picking apart a film that no one has seen yet is kind of redundant.
I'm sorry, but I find that response, rather
remarkably dismissive of everything just presented.
Imagine if one day someone came up to you and said that all reality is actually inverted right now, and this is not the way it's supposed to be. Everything you ever knew, heard, touched, felt, studied, or understood is wrong.
Now imagine this is Prometheus. You take out the moment where those huge, Earth shattering world view changes are actually expressed and given any time in the movie.
That's what I fear.I get it. I really do. Nobody wants to be
bored. But this isn't a little detail. It's a huge contrast of the theme Ridley is all giddy about, and so far as I can see from all the interviews, all the behind the scenes stuff, trailers, etc. This isn't given one moment anywhere in the film.
And I stand by that. Mark my words. They won't pay any lip service to any of that business in the flick.
Will I enjoy the movie? Sure. You bet. I'm very excited for it.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 12:41:19 PM
It's science FICTION. Fiction, fiction, fiction. Jesus fu€king Christ man!
STRAWMAN. The two words are equally important else you might as well just say it's
out right fantasy.Oh, and here, since you seemed to not read my previous posts, look what I said before;
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 25, 2012, 08:13:14 AM
Don't get me wrong. The cast is great, the scenery and effects look great, the acting looks mostly good, and the horror looks terrific. The only hang up I have is the dodgy science.
I am excited for the movie, and no, it does not ruin my ability to enjoy it. It's merely disheartening that Hollywood is at the level of creative bankruptcy that it is, that it cant be bothered to even include basic science crap in it's Science Fiction films.
...to be really really honest, I couldn't care less where we're from, who made us or why they even bothered.... so long as they get that Space Jockey right...now THAT'S what really matters!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 25, 2012, 12:43:00 PM
I am excited for the movie, and no, it does not ruin my ability to enjoy it. It's merely disheartening that Hollywood is at the level of creative bankruptcy that it is, that it cant be bothered to even include basic science crap in it's Science Fiction films.
Same feelings here, OpenMaw...and I know there are a few others on here with similar concerns. Yes, we are in the minority, and people like to tease us, when we express our legitimate frustration over the complete shredding of science: physics, geology, evolutionary biology, paleontology, archaeology, cultural history, etc. (to name a few). They don't realize that our criticism has absolutely nothing to do with "hating" on the film...or hoping it is a failure.
On the contrary, it shows just how high our original expectations were, and perhaps our naive hope and trust that, of all people, Ridley would have sweated the details and gotten most of these things right. Or at the very least, wouldn't throw out the "baby with the bathwater", and decide to make a pseudo-science fiction film, rather than a science fiction film.
On a more personal note, Ridley has somehow discovered a way to simultaneously offend both my Faith and my Science. I mean, one or the other I can understand. But both at the same time! This is a bloody miracle. :P ;) ;D
All that having been said...I will still have my ass in a theatre seat on opening day. 8)
Your frustration isn't annoying, your ability to ignore the scientific concessions the original movies made is. Prometheus should be judged on the same level as sound in space in Alien, or in the rapid growth and gestation of the creature inside Kane, or the gravity on the planetoid, or the FTL travel the Nostromo manages despite us seeing it drag through space, or Ripley hanging on for dear life in Aliens, yadda yadda. If anyone goes to see a movie and actively walks away thinking that it was a genuine and true representation of science, geology, evolution, etc., then they're a f**king twat to being with. The two camps here -unfaltering praise on one hand, inane grumbling at everything on the other- is ingratiating. Of course if anyone's offended then that's their problem.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 25, 2012, 03:40:24 PM
Of course if anyone's offended then that's their problem.
Valaquen,
With all due respect, I thought the emoticons would have made it clear I was being hyperbolic, i.e. making an exaggeration...of course I am not really going to be "offended" by this movie.
As for the examples you listed from Alien, I would characterize these as "tropes" and conveniences, which are almost expected in such a film (e.g. unexplained artificial gravity). What I didn't expect was a complete disregard for scientific principles that span multiple and diverse disciplines. I have been trying to find (so far unsuccessfully) an interview with Ridley Scott, during the pre-production of Prometheus, in which he stated (rather proudly) that he had consulted with NASA and other specialists to make sure they got as much of the science as "right" as possible. To paraphrase...he wanted it to be "realistic", and grounded. Maybe my memory of this interview is incorrect...I admit the possibility.
Thanks for dropping in, Deuterium. It was OpenMaw vs. the world. :laugh:
I think I see where you guys are coming from, but the reactions it's caused seem exaggerated for a film, especially one we haven't even seen yet. Granted, you guys may know more of the story than I do at this point, I haven't read the spoiliest of spoilers, but let me try and walk around this discrepancy.
I agree that a bit of a Jurassic Park-esque scene, where theories are picked apart and actual science discussed, would do a lot to raise the overall quality of the film and appeal to the minority hard sf crowd. But as it stands now, 1 - we don't have enough information to say whether this does or doesn't happen. It could, and we just haven't seen the film yet, and 2 - the entire movie doesn't really present itself as having opportunities to show the team attempting to reconcile this extraodrinary amount of new knowledge very much before they all start getting killed.
From what I've gathered so far, they've said the Engineers have 'engineered us.' I don't assume to know what that means, whether it's on a microscopic level in the form of amino acids to kick off a long evolutionary cycle, or if they intervened at the level of apes to "create us" by producing a cognitive boost that led to our ultimate self-awareness and extreme diversion from animals of all types, or I guess the other option is that they simply created us whole, good ole' God style. They still have to start from something. No one so far has claimed that the Jockeys just thought us into existence, have they?
I don't really see how it ignores evolutionary theory by adding a new piece that simply sidesteps it. It still seems to stand just fine to me, and no one in the film has been seen saying "evolution is wrong," they simply add a few new things with the jockeys and try and discover what this piece is and how it's going to affect us and what science we've already established. I mean that's the whole point of going to the planet, to discover whether Shaw and Holloway's 'theories' hold any water. I'm sure the group is rife with skeptics, but once they start getting Hammerpeded, most academic scrutiny probably flies out of their proverbial mouths. ;)
Plus, it always makes me depressed when people laud evolutionary theory like it's this grand proven plan and we've actually figured out exactly where we came from. It's far, far from that, and raises just as many questions as it claims to answer. Science is not like this, and it's a big problem that most people push it like it is. The evidence lies heavily on the side of accepted theories, but there is so much that is unanswered and continues to change to this day as we move continually forward, scientifically. Even Archaeological records are being rethought and re-established frequently, with findings that shift dates from hundreds to thousands of years from where they were previously thought to sit.
To summarize, I think they haven't given a crap about mentioning biological evolution because the events in the movie effectively sidestep it. They don't confront it and say "this is wrong," but add a new piece that people try and deal with while getting killed.
That's just how I see it. I may be wrong, probably am. :laugh:
This back and forth regarding the "science" in "science-fiction" reminded me of a semi-recent blogpost (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2011/12/11/the-flying-snowman/) by sci-fi author John Scalzi that proposed the term "Flying Snowman" in reference to discussions similar to this one. Here's the gist of it:
"When my daughter was much younger, my wife was reading to her from a picture book about a snowman who came to life and befriended a young boy, and on each page they would do a particular activity: build a snow fort, slide down a hill, enjoy a bowl of soup and so on. The last three pages had the snowman walking, then running, and then flying. At which point my wife got an unhappy look on her face and said 'A flying snowman? That's just ridiculous!'
"To which I said: 'So you can accept a snowman eating hot soup, but not flying?' Because, you know, if you can accept the former (not to mention the entire initial premise of a snowman coming to life), I'm not sure how the snowman flying became qualitatively more ridiculous."
Despite the fact that I completely agree with OpenMaw and Deuterium on this one, I can't help but feel that some of us are guilty of a "Flying Snowman" here. Of course, if at some point during Prometheus a giant blue humanoid and a tentacled space shoggoth are seen sharing a couple Coors Lights together, I reserve the right to retract that previous statement.
CP
In the end we're all made of stardust...
Hi RagingDragon,
Certainly, some fair points.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 04:21:14 PM
From what I've gathered so far, they've said the Engineers have 'engineered us.' I don't assume to know what that means, whether it's on a microscopic level in the form of amino acids to kick off a long evolutionary cycle, or if they intervened at the level of apes to "create us" by producing a cognitive boost that led to our ultimate self-awareness and extreme diversion from animals of all types, or I guess the other option is that they simply created us whole, good ole' God style. They still have to start from something. No one so far has claimed that the Jockeys just thought us into existence, have they?
I don't really see how it ignores evolutionary theory by adding a new piece that simply sidesteps it. It still seems to stand just fine to me, and no one in the film has been seen saying "evolution is wrong," they simply add a few new things with the jockeys and try and discover what this piece is and how it's going to affect us and what science we've already established. I mean that's the whole point of going to the planet, to discover whether Shaw and Holloway's 'theories' hold any water. I'm sure the group is rife with skeptics, but once they start getting Hammerpeded, most academic scrutiny probably flies out of their proverbial mouths. ;)
I absolutely concede we do not, as yet, know exactly how the "engineers" intervene in Earth's history. That is why all of my "criticism" has been directed specifically at the possibility they seeded primordial, abiotic Earth with self-replicating molecular Life. I don't necessarily have a scientific "issue" with panspermia. However, what does violate all sorts of physical laws, is the possibility that such simple, primitive biological life would somehow evolve over the billions of years, and practically infinite phase space of contingent possibilities, into an intelligent organism that is practically identical to the original "engineers".
There are at least strong hints that this is in fact the basis of this story. There has been a few interviews with people involved in the production of Prometheus in which the engineers are implicated in "creating" Life on Earth. There is the story of the "sacrificial engineer" (although, I admit that scene could occur on another, alien planet). There is also the image of the naked "DNA molecule" floating in the primordial soup, from one of the featurettes (perhaps the "origin" featurette). This, by the way, even get's it wrong, because there is compelling evidence to believe that RNA preceded DNA as the first autonomous, self-replicating molecule, and the precursor to all current Life... especially because RNA has been shown to possess biocatalytic properties, which is absolutely crucial for biotic processes (protein synthesis). Besides, a DNA molecule cannot be resolved in visible light, as is depicted in the clip, but I am not deducting points for this "artistic liscense".
I do agree that, in principle, the engineers tweaking of early hominid development (as possibly implied in 2001: A Space Odyssey) would be a "better" alternative. However, this still doesn't explain the incredible morphological correspondence between humans (or even early hominids) and the engineers.
In fact, the ONLY plausible scenario I can come up with, to explain the equation; humans = engineers, would be if a truly alien, high tech civilization "abducted" some paleolithic humans, took them away, and performed some genetic modifications on them to create the race of big blue guy engineers. Later, these advanced "humanoid" engineers then re-visited Earth and our early civilizations.
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Plus, it always makes me depressed when people laud evolutionary theory like it's this grand proven plan and we've actually figured out exactly where we came from. It's far, far from that, and raises just as many questions as it claims to answer. Science is not like this, and it's a big problem that most people push it like it is. The evidence lies heavily on the side of accepted theories, but there is so much that is unanswered and continues to change to this day as we move continually forward, scientifically. Even Archaeological records are being rethought and re-established frequently, with findings that shift dates from hundreds to thousands of years from where they were previously thought to sit.
I have to respectfully disagree with you, there, RD. Evolutionary Theory is as "proven" as any other fundamental theory in modern Science. As such, it represents the facts and "truth" of how Nature operates, to the best of our current understanding. Is it subject to future modifications and refinements?...absolutely. However, that does not undermine the core principles of the Theory, any more than apples stopped falling from trees when Einstein modified Newton's Law of Gravity with General Relativity. That is, in fact, how science works. As with any scientific theory, there are questions that require further exploration and study, and that is a hallmark of all healthy science.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 06:18:04 PM
Hi RagingDragon,
Certainly, some fair points.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 04:21:14 PM
From what I've gathered so far, they've said the Engineers have 'engineered us.' I don't assume to know what that means, whether it's on a microscopic level in the form of amino acids to kick off a long evolutionary cycle, or if they intervened at the level of apes to "create us" by producing a cognitive boost that led to our ultimate self-awareness and extreme diversion from animals of all types, or I guess the other option is that they simply created us whole, good ole' God style. They still have to start from something. No one so far has claimed that the Jockeys just thought us into existence, have they?
I don't really see how it ignores evolutionary theory by adding a new piece that simply sidesteps it. It still seems to stand just fine to me, and no one in the film has been seen saying "evolution is wrong," they simply add a few new things with the jockeys and try and discover what this piece is and how it's going to affect us and what science we've already established. I mean that's the whole point of going to the planet, to discover whether Shaw and Holloway's 'theories' hold any water. I'm sure the group is rife with skeptics, but once they start getting Hammerpeded, most academic scrutiny probably flies out of their proverbial mouths. ;)
I absolutely concede we do not, as yet, know exactly how the "engineers" intervene in Earth's history. That is why all of my "criticism" has been directed specifically at the possibility they seeded primordial, abiotic Earth with self-replicating molecular Life. I don't necessarily have a scientific "issue" with panspermia. However, what does violate all sorts of physical laws, is the possibility that such simple, primitive biological life would somehow evolve over the billions of years, and practically infinite phase space of contingent possibilities, into an intelligent organism that is practically identical to the original "engineers".
There are at least strong hints that this is in fact the basis of this story. There has been a few interviews with people involved in the production of Prometheus in which the engineers are implicated in "creating" Life on Earth. There is the story of the "sacrificial engineer" (although, I admit that scene could occur on another, alien planet). There is also the image of the naked "DNA molecule" floating in the primordial soup, from one of the featurettes (perhaps the "origin" featurette). This, by the way, even get's it wrong, because there is compelling evidence to believe that RNA preceded DNA as the first autonomous, self-replicating molecule, and the precursor to all current Life... especially because RNA has been shown to possess biocatalytic properties, which is absolutely crucial for biotic processes (protein synthesis). Besides, a DNA molecule cannot be resolved in visible light, as is depicted in the clip, but I am not deducting points for this "artistic liscense".
I do agree that, in principle, the engineers tweaking of early hominid development (as possibly implied in 2001: A Space Odyssey) would be a "better" alternative. However, this still doesn't explain the incredible morphological correspondence between humans (or even early hominids) and the engineers.
In fact, the ONLY plausible scenario I can come up with, to explain the equation; humans = engineers, would be if a truly alien, high tech civilization "abducted" some paleolithic humans, took them away, and performed some genetic modifications on them to create the race of big blue guy engineers. Later, these advanced "humanoid" engineers then re-visited Earth and our early civilizations.
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Plus, it always makes me depressed when people laud evolutionary theory like it's this grand proven plan and we've actually figured out exactly where we came from. It's far, far from that, and raises just as many questions as it claims to answer. Science is not like this, and it's a big problem that most people push it like it is. The evidence lies heavily on the side of accepted theories, but there is so much that is unanswered and continues to change to this day as we move continually forward, scientifically. Even Archaeological records are being rethought and re-established frequently, with findings that shift dates from hundreds to thousands of years from where they were previously thought to sit.
I have to respectfully disagree with you, there, RD. Evolutionary Theory is as "proven" as any other fundamental theory in modern Science. As such, it represents the facts and "truth" of how Nature operates, to the best of our current understanding. Is it subject to future modifications and refinements?...absolutely. However, that does not undermine the core principles of the Theory, any more than apples stopped falling from trees when Einstein modified Newton's Law of Gravity with General Relativity. That is, in fact, how science works. As with any scientific theory, there are questions that require further exploration and study, and that is a hallmark of all healthy science.
It has been discussed before that for as advanced as we think we are, that if we encountered another intelligent species that was far, far more advanced than we are for all intents and purposes their technology would be as foreign as magic.
FTL travel is impossible currently, so what would you say if someday another species reaches earth using FTL travel? Would you tell them it's impossible?
You have to suspend your belief in known science, and roll with the fact that this movie plays on "what if's"...
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 25, 2012, 06:49:24 PM
It has been discussed before that for as advanced as we think we are, that if we encountered another intelligent species that was far, far more advanced than we are for all intents and purposes their technology would be as foreign as magic.
FTL travel is impossible currently, so what would you say if someday another species reaches earth using FTL travel? Would you tell them it's impossible?
You have to suspend your belief in known science, and roll with the fact that this movie plays on "what if's"...
I agree.
There are a ton of scientific inconsistencies in both Alien and Prometheus and if one want to focus on them, one will not be able to truly appreciate the movie.
I am myself more disturbed by inconsistencies related to human technology (FTL, androids,... that soon in the future) than by anything alien related.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 06:18:04 PM
Hi RagingDragon,
Certainly, some fair points.
I absolutely concede we do not, as yet, know exactly how the "engineers" intervene in Earth's history. That is why all of my "criticism" has been directed specifically at the possibility they seeded primordial, abiotic Earth with self-replicating molecular Life. I don't necessarily have a scientific "issue" with panspermia. However, what does violate all sorts of physical laws, is the possibility that such simple, primitive biological life would somehow evolve over the billions of years, and practically infinite phase space of contingent possibilities, into an intelligent organism that is practically identical to the original "engineers".
There are at least strong hints that this is in fact the basis of this story. There has been a few interviews with people involved in the production of Prometheus in which the engineers are implicated in "creating" Life on Earth. There is the story of the "sacrificial engineer" (although, I admit that scene could occur on another, alien planet). There is also the image of the naked "DNA molecule" floating in the primordial soup, from one of the featurettes (perhaps the "origin" featurette). This, by the way, even get's it wrong, because there is compelling evidence to believe that RNA preceded DNA as the first autonomous, self-replicating molecule, and the precursor to all current Life... especially because RNA has been shown to possess biocatalytic properties, which is absolutely crucial for biotic processes (protein synthesis). Besides, a DNA molecule cannot be resolved in visible light, as is depicted in the clip, but I am not deducting points for this "artistic liscense".
I do agree that, in principle, the engineers tweaking of early hominid development (as possibly implied in 2001: A Space Odyssey) would be a "better" alternative. However, this still doesn't explain the incredible morphological correspondence between humans (or even early hominids) and the engineers.
In fact, the ONLY plausible scenario I can come up with, to explain the equation; humans = engineers, would be if a truly alien, high tech civilization "abducted" some paleolithic humans, took them away, and performed some genetic modifications on them to create the race of big blue guy engineers. Later, these advanced "humanoid" engineers then re-visited Earth and our early civilizations.
You do have high expectations, indeed. But reasonable ones.
I'm beginning to catch up on this discussion real fast, thanks for accommodating my lateness. :D I thought you guys had figured out the entire damned plot and I was going to be left flapping.
Okay, here goes:
Warning - extreme nerd over-analysis and rants to follow:Spoiler
Astronomically speaking, life is a numbers game, given the size of the universe as we know it so far. Mathematicians and physicists have both given examples of why the idea of there being no other intelligent life in the universe is statistically very low, given what we know about our biological origins on Earth. The right conditions arise, for the right amount of time, and you introduce the potential for the mechanisms of evolution to occur.
Given this, we can say "sure, the Jockeys found a planet in the habitable zone, at the right geological stage and next to a main sequence star, and seeded their goo," and that's dandy. The big problem arises in the end-result, right? And how closely related to the Jockeys it would be?
I have several thoughts on this. To begin, the first scientific question that needs to be asked is "why Homonids?" The answer to that, according to modern science, is through the mechanisms of genetic drift, mutation, and natural selection combined with environmental stimulus. To put it bluntly, "it was random." Even this basic pillar of biological knowledge presents some interesting questions, such as:
Why homonids, and not a reptilian form of conscious, tool-using, tribal life? Or aquatic? Or avian? What occurred that brought about the proper environmental stimuli, and physiology, to allow for the development of the forebrain and our eventual leap to true self-awareness and cognitive, abstract thought?
Can we gleam a theory from this that only the homonid lifeform is capable of achieving this psychological state, thanks to the development of things like thumbs, tongues, and even tools that other species wouldn't require, environmentally speaking? Land-walking, tribal groups of bipeds have thus far been the only link in our evolutionary chain, but does this betray some sort of undiscovered set of rules, or is it, again, simple luck?
Could birds and fish and frogs and insects ever have entered an environment that provoked these traits, and then been lucky enough to reproduce the proper mutations with enough time to not be wiped out by an extinction event?
As far as I know, modern evolutionary biology doesn't exactly offer us any other answer than "random, thanks." All of my other questions have been answered the same: random.
Honestly, and you will probably balk at this, I'm not in the 'random' camp. I think that's a theory that will be disproven in the future, and consciousness will be better recognized as a much more significant leap than a simple mutation, hence why it presents us with it's own internal set of problems (completely oustide of the influence of environmental stimuli) a new phase space, a directional sort of 'point,' and the complete reversal and elimination of the natural evoluationary process by our very presence on the planet.
I debate with many more intelligent than I on this subject, constantly, so feel free to comment please. I'm not easily offended. :D
Anyway, there's the above. Perhaps the jockeys know this, since their knowledge obviously far exceeds our own? They knew that no matter what direction the mechanisms of evolution went in, or what happened to the environment, that given enough time, homosapiens (mini-jockeys) would eventually occur because of a response to the correct stimuli and mutation.
That's why they're all sleeping in their space-coffins, because they understand that this shit could take a long, long, long time, but in the end, the homonid evolutionary line is the only line of organisms that allows for the 'consciousness' mutation to occur and thrive.
Even farther fetched, but still plausible to me, is that they could be so advanced as to anticipate what these evolutionary mechanisms will do, and what will happen to the environment as well. This would be a near-supernatural level of prediction that is frankly imossible barring direct observation or intervention, but hey, it's all woo hoo anway. :D
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I have to respectfully disagree with you, there, RD. Evolutionary Theory is as "proven" as any other fundamental theory in modern Science. As such, it represents the facts and "truth" of how Nature operates, to the best of our current understanding. Is it subject to future modifications and refinements?...absolutely. However, that does not undermine the core principles of the Theory, any more than apples stopped falling from trees when Einstein modified Newton's Law of Gravity with General Relativity. That is, in fact, how science works. As with any scientific theory, there are questions that require further exploration and study, and that is a hallmark of all healthy science.
Let me be more specific: most of my unanswerable questions that have arisen through the course of my education have been related to homosapiens and consciousness. Biologically, evolutionary theory is very sound and the biggest mysteries remain at the beginning, during extinction events, and now with us freak-ass human things. To summarize: humans create all sorts of evolutionary loopholes and unanswered questions, we throw a big ass wrench into the cogs of what would otherwise be a natural, biological system that follows observable rules over a given amount of time. Basically, we've completely changed the rules.
QuoteIn fact, the ONLY plausible scenario I can come up with, to explain the equation; humans = engineers, would be if a truly alien, high tech civilization "abducted" some paleolithic humans, took them away, and performed some genetic modifications on them to create the race of big blue guy engineers. Later, these advanced "humanoid" engineers then re-visited Earth and our early civilizations.
I like this idea, and it's much easier to pull off than the mind-numbing topics we've been discussing above.
Now did any of that make any damn sense? :laugh:
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 25, 2012, 06:49:24 PM
It has been discussed before that for as advanced as we think we are, that if we encountered another intelligent species that was far, far more advanced than we are for all intents and purposes their technology would be as foreign as magic.
FTL travel is impossible currently, so what would you say if someday another species reaches earth using FTL travel? Would you tell them it's impossible?
You have to suspend your belief in known science, and roll with the fact that this movie plays on "what if's"...
Funnily enough...I don't have a real problem, per se, with FTL in Prometheus...again, as this is an almost "expected" conceit and trope in Sci-Fi. Yes, I think it would be arguably a more interesting story if relativistic (but non-FTL) travel was employed, allowing the story to explore the interesting effects (psychologically and sociologically) of extreme time dilation. Nevertheless, I begrudgingly accept the FTL, the unexplained artificial gravity, and a host of other standard sci-fi tropes.
What I have a fundamental "issue" with is the re-writing of the historical, geological, and biological record...and shoe-horning in a Von Daniken-esque premise into a story that, IMHO, absolutely
didn't need it in the first place.
Its science fiction not fact.I mean we can all just take it apart from the beginning when they are asleep for years.Also not even remotely possible.Evolution is proven.But,there are still huge gaps to fill in and nothing explains how we started evolving so quick in a short period of time.
I think what loses me in this discussion is that OpenMaw, Deuterim, and the rest frame this topic as if the film needs a solid scientific basis for it to be good. If that's not your intent then change the perception.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
Funnily enough...I don't have a real problem, per se, with FTL in Prometheus...again, as this is an almost "expected" conceit and trope in Sci-Fi. Yes, I think it would be arguably a more interesting story if relativistic (but non-FTL) travel was employed, allowing the story to explore the interesting effects (psychologically and sociologically) of extreme time dilation. Nevertheless, I begrudgingly accept the FTL, the unexplained artificial gravity, and a host of other standard sci-fi tropes.
What I have a fundamental "issue" with is the re-writing of the historical, geological, and biological record...and shoe-horning in a Von Daniken-esque premise into a story that, IMHO, absolutely didn't need it in the first place.
This is a point where we strongly disagree. I would have way less troubles with a re-writing and reexplanation of historical, geological and biological record than with the alike of FTL and artificial gravity. We can almost correctly acknowledge (because we have been able to observe (either directly or from relatively recent records) how human technologies have evolved those last centuries and almost stall in many areas for decades now) that it will not be possible to achieve either FTL or artificial gravity before a very, very long time. Not only because we don't exactly understand what gravity is but also we have not even the single idea how to achieve FTL. And even assuming we found out it remains to be seen if we can produce enough energy in a safe manner to build ship which can achieve it.
However, we can not be completely sure that what we think about evolution and history on period of dozens or hundred of millions of years is true.
We do not even know if our dating technology is very reliable on such wide periods.
Moreover There are many things which could have helped us learn more about the history of our world which have certainly either been destroyed or are yet to be discovered.
You have absolutely no proof that everything Von Daniken says is bullshit.
We have historic records from old civilizations telling us that they interacted with beings that could be the very beings this man talked about.
Is this that crazy to at least give them some credit ?
Immanuel Velikovsky also was attacked by scientists yet some of his theories were true.
Well, I guess all I can say is...
"Eh, **** it."
It's an unwinnable war and some of us are just gonna look like crazy haired Nerdsteins. Oh wells. :)
Quote from: timiteh on May 25, 2012, 08:04:13 PM
We have historic records from old civilizations telling us that they interacted with beings that could be the very beings this man talked about.
Historical Documents...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tWWopd_3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tWWopd_3g#)
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
What I have a fundamental "issue" with is the re-writing of the historical, geological, and biological record...and shoe-horning in a Von Daniken-esque premise into a story that, IMHO, absolutely didn't need it in the first place.
Why? They aren't trying to make actual claims about the historical, geological, and biological record... they are possibly offering alternative scenarios that make for fun movie... FTL should be just as hard to deal with as the origin of humans being jockeys. The idea that we could create enough energy to move the mass of a ship and crew at speeds beyond what light travels at simply cannot happen under the laws of physics as we know them. (Edit: and sustain the speed)
I would love your take on Event Horizon's Black Hole travel system...
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 25, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
Well, I guess all I can say is...
"Eh, **** it."
It's an unwinnable war and some of us are just gonna look like crazy haired Nerdsteins. Oh wells. :)
No, you are wrong. I still feel I can convince you. You are not going to look like a bunch of nerds. You should just accept that a science fiction movie cannot analyze every single facet of physics, and still be expected to appeal to the masses in joint with putting a few other issues under the microscope.
You can't have everything. 8)
Quote from: Qwertify on May 25, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
No, you are wrong. I still feel I can convince you. You are not going to look like a bunch of nerds. You should just accept that a science fiction movie cannot analyze every single facet of physics, and still be expected to appeal to the masses in joint with putting a few other issues under the microscope.
You can't have everything. 8)
Would you guys stop saying that!? Gahhh!!! That's not what anybody on this side of the fence is saying. Guhhh...!
*explodes*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-DmtUrYeoE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-DmtUrYeoE#)
*scrapes up OpenMaw*
:laugh:
I can kind of see what both sides are getting at here. The 'jockeys(aliens)-made-us' issue does seem to be one of many in the sci-fi bucket, but in this case, it's central to the entire plot.
I get why people are skeptical and wish there would be more hard science to flesh out the idea and make it more believable.
On the other hand I'm not personally bothered by it. Maybe I will be when I see the film and see the way it's handled?
How many TV Spots have they made by now 6 or 7?.
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
*scrapes up OpenMaw*
:laugh:
I can kind of see what both sides are getting at here. The 'jockeys(aliens)-made-us' issue does seem to be one of many in the sci-fi bucket, but in this case, it's central to the entire plot.
I get why people are skeptical and wish there would be more hard science to flesh out the idea and make it more believable.
On the other hand I'm not personally bothered by it. Maybe I will be when I see the film and see the way it's handled?
And you know what dude? To all the folks out there who can watch the movie, and it doesn't bother you at all? That's great. I'm truly happy for you. Not a shred of sarcasm. Contrary to what seems to be the prevailing wisdom. Nobody here wants this movie to fail. Nobody. If anything, the very fact we bring this stuff up is because we want this movie to be glorious, and to go down as a Science Fiction classic. Something that people will talk about twenty, thirty years down the line.
And when you're asking big questions like the origin of mankind, and your cast of characters is mostly men and women of science, you should pay some lip service to the known, to really contrast this revelation for what it is.
The most profound discovery in human history.Life finds a way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWeMvrNiOM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWeMvrNiOM#ws)
Here's a great example, again from Jurassic Park. Where Malcolm explains Chaos Theory. Some people seem to be under the impression that the science part has to be dry as sin, and has to be delivered like a dry, dull, boring teacher who hates their life reading from a text book, written in the longest, long hand imaginable.
When in reality. Scientific ideas can be wrapped in a number of emotions. You will also note that the story is continuing to progress as this idea is being explained to the character, and the audience. The movie doesn't sit still. It continue to move. It's wrapped in well crafted dialogue, and three distinct emotions; Intrigue, a bit of flirtation, and humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mpifTiPV4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mpifTiPV4#ws)
Some of us just like a little
bread on our butter, that's all. :)
From what I've seen in all the media, and from Ridley Scott's own mouth. There won't be anything of this sort in the movie, really. They won't have "time" to do it. Call it a gut feeling, intuition. Whatever. I just know, there will be no "life finds a ways" or the dinner scene or discussing chaos theory in this movie. (All examples, mind you, but all great scenes) they will be nowhere in Prometheus. (One more time; that's
my feeling, based on what I've seen and heard.)
Quote from: mastermoon on May 25, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
How many TV Spots have they made by now 6 or 7?.
Somewhere around nine I think. :)
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Now did any of that make any damn sense?
Yes, a very clear explanation of your thoughts on these matters.
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I have several thoughts on this. To begin, the first scientific question that needs to be asked is "why Homonids?" The answer to that, according to modern science, is through the mechanisms of genetic drift, mutation, and natural selection combined with environmental stimulus. To put it bluntly, "it was random." Even this basic pillar of biological knowledge presents some interesting questions, such as:
Why homonids, and not a reptilian form of conscious, tool-using, tribal life? Or aquatic? Or avian? What occurred that brought about the proper environmental stimuli, and physiology, to allow for the development of the forebrain and our eventual leap to true self-awareness and cognitive, abstract thought?
Can we gleam a theory from this that only the homonid lifeform is capable of achieving this psychological state, thanks to the development of things like thumbs, tongues, and even tools that other species wouldn't require, environmentally speaking? Land-walking, tribal groups of bipeds have thus far been the only link in our evolutionary chain, but does this betray some sort of undiscovered set of rules, or is it, again, simple luck?
Could birds and fish and frogs and insects ever have entered an environment that provoked these traits, and then been lucky enough to reproduce the proper mutations with enough time to not be wiped out by an extinction event?
As far as I know, modern evolutionary biology doesn't exactly offer us any other answer than "random, thanks." All of my other questions have been answered the same: random.
As unappealing as the answer may be seem to be, from a
purely scientific explanation, Evolution via Natural Selection has absolutely no preferred "outcome", or "goal". Re-wind the tape of Life, and re-record it, and it is conceivable that some form of intelligent Life might have emerged hundreds of millions of years ago...or millions of years from now,...or perhaps never. Assuming intelligent life did arise, whatever form it takes, it is a vanishingly small probability that anything resembling primates/homonids/humans would ever reappear. This is a simple consequence of contingency, and the incredibly huge number of possible pathways that evolution can take. Of course, some people believe (like myself) that while scientific theories accurately describe our physical Universe, there is also a deeper Agency at work, which cannot be apprehended by science. However, this is a scientific discussion, and religous beliefs and/or explanations are not relevant.
I would caution the use of the term "random", as a catch-all term to explain Evolutionary processes. Certainly, one component of Evolution is, in a biological sense, "random", and that is mutations (see clarification below)*. However, the mechanism of Natural Selection is decidedly not random...it is deterministic. Natural Selection acts mechanistically upon the variation that organisms possess, (due to random mutations), and actively selects (deterministically) those variants that are fortuitously better adapted to changing local environments...thereby conferring, on average, differential reproductive success for the better adapted variant. These variants will then pass along these favored traits to their offspring, by inheritance.
*The term "random", when used by evolutionary biologists in the context of mutation, is not quite the same as the pure mathematical meaning of "random". In the evolutionary sense, "random" mutation means only variation that is not inherently directed towards adaptation...
not that all mutational changes are equally likely. A subtle, but critical point, and one that is widely misunderstood by not only the general public, but even amongst scientists unfamiliar with evolutionary biology.
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Let me be more specific: most of my unanswerable questions that have arisen through the course of my education have been related to homosapiens and consciousness. Biologically, evolutionary theory is very sound and the biggest mysteries remain at the beginning, during extinction events, and now with us freak-ass human things. To summarize: humans create all sorts of evolutionary loopholes and unanswered questions, we throw a big ass wrench into the cogs of what would otherwise be a natural, biological system that follows observable rules over a given amount of time. Basically, we've completely changed the rules.
These are all good questions, and deserve continued research and scrutiny. Again, focusing my comments on purely scientific explanations, there is not anything inherently "special" about Homo sapiens. An Anthropic principle can be put forth to explain our perception as being somehow "uniquely special". The only reason we can sit back and contemplate our special position as intelligent, cognitive, self-aware creatures, is simply because, to our knowledge, we are the only fully "conscious" creatures able to sit back and contemplate such things. A bit circular, I realize, but Anthropic principles tend to be. If we weren't here, we wouldn't be able to have this discussion, so to speak. Of course, the "uniqueness" of our consciousness...and even the very definition of "consciousness" is a matter of some debate. For example, a fundamental cognitive test is the capability for self-recognition, which is determined via the MRS (Mirror Response Test) protocol. To date, humans, great apes (especially chimpanzees/bonobos), and elephants have the confirmed ability to pass the MRS. Additionally, there is very strong evidence that dolphins (perhaps most cetaceans) as well as at least some birds (corvids, i.e. Magpies) can also pass the MRS. The existence of self-recognition, in turn implies a degree of self-awareness, intentionality, and cognition.
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Forget the movie, I can watch this all day and be happy.
OpenMaw, Deuterium...point taken...can we get back on topic?
Quote from: Xenomoron on May 25, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
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Forget the movie, I can watch this all day and be happy.
I could, too. Notice the complex interplay between Gravity and Fluid Dynamics involved in those bouncing...
My heart palpitates just thinking of the complex Lagrangians necessary to fully describe the equations of motion for those...
...wait, what was the topic again? Oh yeah, Happy Fun Bags!
Happy Fun Bags...LOLZ..I'm laughing a bit loud at that.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: Xenomoron on May 25, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxnjhsWdsY1qeksb7o1_500.gif
I could, too. Notice the complex interplay between Gravity and Fluid Dynamics involved in those bouncing...
My heart palpitates just thinking of the complex Lagrangians necessary to fully describe the equations of motion for those...
...wait, what was the topic again? Oh yeah, Happy Fun Bags!
I don't know, man. When I see a girl do a little dance like that I have the distinct urge to give them a really big hug.
Call me crazy, they look like a sentient plushy to me when they do that stuff.
'Dat Noomi.
I think we're supposed to be talking about TV Spots. Honestly, just having a gif of Noomi smiling and doing a little dance for 30 seconds would work. "The search for our beginning' - Dance - "Could Lead to our end" - Dance - "PROMETHEUS"
*shrugs* :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 10:23:15 PM
Happy Fun Bags...LOLZ..I'm laughing a bit loud at that.
Ya' see...I'm not always an 'ol stick in the mud. ;) ;D
Quote from: Deuterium on May 25, 2012, 09:18:18 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on May 25, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Now did any of that make any damn sense?
Yes, a very clear explanation of your thoughts on these matters.
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I have several thoughts on this. To begin, the first scientific question that needs to be asked is "why Homonids?" The answer to that, according to modern science, is through the mechanisms of genetic drift, mutation, and natural selection combined with environmental stimulus. To put it bluntly, "it was random." Even this basic pillar of biological knowledge presents some interesting questions, such as:
Why homonids, and not a reptilian form of conscious, tool-using, tribal life? Or aquatic? Or avian? What occurred that brought about the proper environmental stimuli, and physiology, to allow for the development of the forebrain and our eventual leap to true self-awareness and cognitive, abstract thought?
Can we gleam a theory from this that only the homonid lifeform is capable of achieving this psychological state, thanks to the development of things like thumbs, tongues, and even tools that other species wouldn't require, environmentally speaking? Land-walking, tribal groups of bipeds have thus far been the only link in our evolutionary chain, but does this betray some sort of undiscovered set of rules, or is it, again, simple luck?
Could birds and fish and frogs and insects ever have entered an environment that provoked these traits, and then been lucky enough to reproduce the proper mutations with enough time to not be wiped out by an extinction event?
As far as I know, modern evolutionary biology doesn't exactly offer us any other answer than "random, thanks." All of my other questions have been answered the same: random.
As unappealing as the answer may be seem to be, from a purely scientific explanation, Evolution via Natural Selection has absolutely no preferred "outcome", or "goal". Re-wind the tape of Life, and re-record it, and it is conceivable that some form of intelligent Life might have emerged hundreds of millions of years ago...or millions of years from now,...or perhaps never. Assuming intelligent life did arise, whatever form it takes, it is a vanishingly small probability that anything resembling primates/homonids/humans would ever reappear. This is a simple consequence of contingency, and the incredibly huge number of possible pathways that evolution can take. Of course, some people believe (like myself) that while scientific theories accurately describe our physical Universe, there is also a deeper Agency at work, which cannot be apprehended by science. However, this is a scientific discussion, and religous beliefs and/or explanations are not relevant.
I would caution the use of the term "random", as a catch-all term to explain Evolutionary processes. Certainly, one component of Evolution is, in a biological sense, "random", and that is mutations (see clarification below)*. However, the mechanism of Natural Selection is decidedly not random...it is deterministic. Natural Selection acts mechanistically upon the variation that organisms possess, (due to random mutations), and actively selects (deterministically) those variants that are fortuitously better adapted to changing local environments...thereby conferring, on average, differential reproductive success for the better adapted variant. These variants will then pass along these favored traits to their offspring, by inheritance.
*The term "random", when used by evolutionary biologists in the context of mutation, is not quite the same as the pure mathematical meaning of "random". In the evolutionary sense, "random" mutation means only variation that is not inherently directed towards adaptation...not that all mutational changes are equally likely. A subtle, but critical point, and one that is widely misunderstood by not only the general public, but even amongst scientists unfamiliar with evolutionary biology.
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Let me be more specific: most of my unanswerable questions that have arisen through the course of my education have been related to homosapiens and consciousness. Biologically, evolutionary theory is very sound and the biggest mysteries remain at the beginning, during extinction events, and now with us freak-ass human things. To summarize: humans create all sorts of evolutionary loopholes and unanswered questions, we throw a big ass wrench into the cogs of what would otherwise be a natural, biological system that follows observable rules over a given amount of time. Basically, we've completely changed the rules.
These are all good questions, and deserve continued research and scrutiny. Again, focusing my comments on purely scientific explanations, there is not anything inherently "special" about Homo sapiens. An Anthropic principle can be put forth to explain our perception as being somehow "uniquely special". The only reason we can sit back and contemplate our special position as intelligent, cognitive, self-aware creatures, is simply because, to our knowledge, we are the only fully "conscious" creatures able to sit back and contemplate such things. A bit circular, I realize, but Anthropic principles tend to be. If we weren't here, we wouldn't be able to have this discussion, so to speak. Of course, the "uniqueness" of our consciousness...and even the very definition of "consciousness" is a matter of some debate. For example, a fundamental cognitive test is the capability for self-recognition, which is determined via the MRS (Mirror Response Test) protocol. To date, humans, great apes (especially chimpanzees/bonobos), and elephants have the confirmed ability to pass the MRS. Additionally, there is very strong evidence that dolphins (perhaps most cetaceans) as well as at least some birds (corvids, i.e. Magpies) can also pass the MRS. The existence of self-recognition, in turn implies a degree of self-awareness, intentionality, and cognition.
Have to say, thats a great post Deuterium.
Biped Hominids is simply the best our brain can do as far as calculating power goes. A third leg or arm would overwhelm our gray matter.
It's a goddamn game of chance. Every time you roll the dice over millions of years you'll get something different. However I believe soon we will not be the only form of intelligence on this planet. Homosapiens have effectively squashed any chance of another intelligent species arising on earth for sometime now. Perhaps in the same way as dinosaurs did. Also technology simply does not last. With each extinction event an intelligent earthian being could have been exterminated. That being said we are at the point of not only making an artificial person but enhancing other species and embracing evolution by merely allowing another sentient creature to arise on it's own. ala like the jockey's :P
Although even now there are advanced chimpanzees in South America. Who all on their own have embraced sex and murder for pleasure. They also use and make tools and develop plans; i.e. the bit about murder. If given enough time these two will develop close to human conscience.
weird shit
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756952 (http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756952)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
weird shit
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756952 (http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756952)
Holy Crap...I never knew such a thing existed! How, exactly, is this any different then straight up gambling? I mean, one can raise similar questions at traditional exchanges such as the Commodities markets...but this is pretty obvious betting, plain and simple. Not that there is anything wrong with that, necessarily, just not my cup of tea.
At least with equity stocks, your share represents a very real unit of ownership.
Again, I am aware that online gambling is pretty much legal...I just never knew about InTrade, and never would have guessed (in a million years) that people could bet on things such as movie grosses. But then again, the more I think about it, why should that surprise me?
Anyways, very interesting, and thanks for posting that, TBS.
A great post, Deuterium. Thanks for elaborating and responding to my wicked-long post, you too Maw. Yesh, topic, back on it and all that.
A rarely scene 12 minute reel for BladeRunner.....Ridley talks about some really interesting things as they relate to Prometheus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM#)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
This is just so different to what we have seen. I can't see even the slightest semblance of the DNA of the xeno or even a possible proto-xeno in that thing. Sure we can only see a small part of it, but tentacles never featured once in the lifeforms of the other movies; the closest thing to tentacles are either tails, which aren't tentacles at all, or the tubes on the adult alien's back, and even they were considered superfluous (Giger didn't like them at all if I remember correctly).
It seems pretty clear that these lifeforms are not intended to be related to the xenos in any way at all. This is a new monster with entirely new aspects, so we probably shouldn't be comparing them to xenos to begin with.
I haven't looked at the spoiler images and don't intend to till after the 1st of June, but I'd just like to point out that Giger used a lot of tentacles in some of his A L I E N concept art, it's not all biomechanoid by any means. Although they were ultimately developed by others, his numerous hugger designs and chestburster image were very fleshy, and lots of his other art features tentacles. If Giger style is sort of intrinsically "ALIEN' then it's no great leap to see how a tentacled creature might work. Personally I'd rather there were a whole new gamut of monstrosities and I won't be dismissing it until I've seen it in action.
Quote from: Gash on May 26, 2012, 02:11:59 PM
I haven't looked at the spoiler images and don't intend to till after the 1st of June, but I'd just like to point out that Giger used a lot of tentacles in some of his A L I E N concept art, it's not all biomechanoid by any means. Although they were ultimately developed by others, his numerous hugger designs and chestburster image were very fleshy, and lots of his other art features tentacles.
Wait...Gash, is that accurate? I mean, you are probably more familiar with his work than I am, but where are "tentacles" featured on any of his A L I E N concept art? I realized he has produced some painting/art featuring beings with tentacles, but these, to my knowledge, were not related to A L I E N. For example that image (posted a few times in this forum) of the medusa-like monster concept art, which was intentended for Poltergeist 2 (I believe), but never ultimately used. Also, I remember a few "biomechanoid" paintings which, at first glance, look like they may involve tentacles, but on closer inspection turn out to be the "hoses" and "tubes" that are so prominent in many of works.
Not saying you are wrong, but if you get a minute, could you post some links to the Giger A L I E N related tentacle stuff, because I find that unusual/interesting (from what I know of Giger).
There are tentacles, whips, and penile limbs throughout Giger's body of work. From the ALIEN concept art, none I can really think of, though Giger painted 30+ pieces for it and most are in the Giger's Alien book and not really around the web. The tail was only added to the original Alien because Ridley Scott requested it, so Giger drew it (same for the mouthed tongue - Giger's Necronom inspiration for the Alien boasted two rows of teeth overlapping the other, almost like a shark. Ridley wanted it on the end of a tongue, which Giger went ahead and drew). Another Medusa-esque creature with tails and whips and penis-tentacle hair etc:
Spoiler
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Note the large tentacle appendage running down the middle of the creature, in addition to hoses, pipes, and worm-like appendages.
You;d have to scour Giger's published books for more. There are a lot! Giger always held a macabre fascination with worms, he says in the Necronomicon, and he drew on the imagery of them since his beginnings as an artist. I think the tentacled monster in Prometheus is more drawn from Cthulu and O'Bannon's fascination with the Lovecraft mythos.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 26, 2012, 03:14:11 PM
There are tentacles, whips, and penile limbs throughout Giger's body of work. From the ALIEN concept art, none I can really think of, though Giger painted 30+ pieces for it and most are in the Giger's Alien book and not really around the web. The tail was only added to the original Alien because Ridley Scott requested it, so Giger drew it (same for the mouthed tongue - Giger's Necronom inspiration for the Alien boasted two rows of teeth overlapping the other, almost like a shark. Ridley wanted it on the end of a tongue, which Giger went ahead and drew). Another Medusa-esque creature with tails and whips and penis-tentacle hair etc:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2Fgiger003.jpg&hash=86e8805a99916c5fffd7fa89d232fe7c51118e07)
You;d have to scour Giger's published books for more. There are a lot! Giger always held a macabre fascination with worms, he says in the Necronomicon, and he drew on the imagery of them since his beginnings as an artist. I think the tentacled monster in Prometheus is more drawn from Cthulu and O'Bannon's fascination with the Lovecraft mythos.
Thanks for the info., Valaquen. I knew some of his various work featured tentacles (amongst other things ;D)...but I couldn't remember anything specific to ALIEN. I guess it doesn't really matter, however. Giger liked tentacles, period.
Gash, no need to repy...please disregard my question.
Cheers, mates.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 25, 2012, 10:23:15 PM
Happy Fun Bags...LOLZ..I'm laughing a bit loud at that.
I prefer the term ...'sweater-puppies', myself...
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 26, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
A rarely scene 12 minute reel for BladeRunner.....Ridley talks about some really interesting things as they relate to Prometheus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM#)
I watched this just now. It is interesting and does hold some insight into what Ridley thinks about androids. That is to say - in Bladerunner, Replicants are like altered humans and not robots. A little different than what we have in Prometheus, and yet with David, still kind of the same.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 26, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
A rarely scene 12 minute reel for BladeRunner.....Ridley talks about some really interesting things as they relate to Prometheus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVW8Zn5fSM#)
Great video.