Oh, how time flies!
Okay, i might be a little too soon, i do not remember what date it got released, but it was in this year, i was checking this one and AVP yesterday, as terrible as ever, anyway, are we getting an avpgalaxy special article or something for that?
What are you best/worst memories of the movie?
I remember registering here around that time, watching the trailer and thinking "it looks gory and action packed, at least it might be fun" boy i was wrong, there are shots in the movie where you cant even see anything, literally, and besides that it was just an all around mess. I sneak in the theater after sneaking for August Rush with a friend, and we both liked August Rush more, then the movie i entered this site and everybody here was indignated lol
The film turned ten back in December and AvPG did an interview with one of the crew who helped the directors develop the film.
I saw it in December 2007. It's a mess and a black stain on the franchise. The Wolf Predator and Predator Homeworld are a good idea but that's about it. It makes AvP 2004 look good.
It was actually midnight on Christmas Day it was released. I got there early so saw another film called The Darjeeling Limited. It was actually a good experience in the theatre watching it.
I was fairly disappointed with AvP and had already largely stopped caring about the franchise around that time. I went to see AvPR thinking maybe it might be better than the first. Instead it was worse than I could have ever imagined.
AvPR totally ruined me on the franchises for years. When i did finally get back into the series i found myself appreciating AvP more than before. Probably because Requiem is just so so terrible.
It amazes me that people find any enjoyement in that movie. To me, Requiem represents the absolute rock bottom for both franchises.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:50 AM
The film turned ten back in December and AvPG did an interview with one of the crew who helped the directors develop the film.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/12/15/aliens-vs-predator-requiem-retrospective-chat-liam-odonnell-avpgalaxy-podcast-60/
If you wanted to listen.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:50 AM
The film turned ten back in December and AvPG did an interview with one of the crew who helped the directors develop the film.
Oh, my bad, i thought it was released in 2008
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
I was fairly disappointed with AvP and had already largely stopped caring about the franchise around that time. I went to see AvPR thinking maybe it might be better than the first. Instead it was worse than I could have ever imagined.
AvPR totally ruined me on the franchises for years. When i did finally get back into the series i found myself appreciating AvP more than before. Probably because Requiem is just so so terrible.
It amazes me that people find any enjoyement in that movie. To me, Requiem represents the absolute rock bottom for both franchises.
Yeah me too, it totally is the rock bottom so far.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:50 AM
The film turned ten back in December and AvPG did an interview with one of the crew who helped the directors develop the film.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/12/15/aliens-vs-predator-requiem-retrospective-chat-liam-odonnell-avpgalaxy-podcast-60/
If you wanted to listen.
I will, thanks
'Rock bottom', yes, but it has bounced back to great heights.
QuoteYeah me too, it totally is the rock bottom so far.
The podcast makes the film worth another look.
I think it makes going back and reading Colin's forum posts more interesting. The things he probably wanted to say but couldn't ...
Indeed. And also a little confusing. He gave the distinct impression they had a lot of creative control, when in reality it would seem they were hamstrung by Fox in a number of areas. Woulda thought saying nothing or being a little more vague was a wiser course.
Being vague or saying nothing would make it sound like the production was hell, which in turn would give people Alien3 flashbacks and hurt the film's chances on release.
The only winning move was not to play, but hindsight is 20/20
True.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:50 AM
The film turned ten back in December and AvPG did an interview with one of the crew who helped the directors develop the film.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/12/15/aliens-vs-predator-requiem-retrospective-chat-liam-odonnell-avpgalaxy-podcast-60/
If you wanted to listen.
I will definitely check that out. Feeling a bit nostalgic thinking back to the production on this film and the anticipation I felt back then.
Requiem is at worst the second best AvP movie.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
It amazes me that people find any enjoyement in that movie. To me, Requiem represents the absolute rock bottom for both franchises.
Same, there are folks that actually think Aliens: Colonial Marines is brilliant....which it is obviously not but it is their opinion so one must respect that even if to us it is barmy.
I myself like Alien 3, not for the Hicks and Newt death but for introducing a new Alien type, and the tone that shows how cruel or indifferent the universe is. Ripley is the hero but she did not have plot armor, she got infected and had a death sentence. Alien 3 is not the best so I think others can find it odd when folks like me enjoy it. :laugh:
Requiem is just the worst and ten years later, it still is the worst. I don't know what went on behind the scenes to have affected the film, I know fox has an infamous reputation for meddling with movies, Alien 3 being a well known example. Also the Strauss brothers were new and didn't have a reputation, meaning that would not have been able to get much say with the studio. This is one film that will not get better with age or looked upon better in the future. While movies like Predator and The Thing may have been given less than stellar reviews initially, that was because the movies (at least the latter) were ahead of themselves and were later appreciated better years later.
It is also worth mentioning that critics and audiences are not the same, I mean sometimes the critics are right as the audience will share the same view with them when the film is really good or if it really is
that bad, i.e AVPR, but sometimes the critics don't always get the movie or they try to take it either too seriously or are looking for something that is not there, while average audiences go to movies to watch and enjoy it without burdening themselves with looking for hidden meanings etc. Sometimes the reverse is true in that critics will love the movie but the audience, or least the fans anyway; will have a less favorable view i.e Covenant.
I guess my point is that unlike The Thing or The Predator, Requiem is viewed as bad by everyone, there is nothing in there that is being missed by anyone, no hidden meanings, no depths, no "ahead of itself" stuff. its just what you see and 10 years or 20 years, it will still be remembered as the worst movie (as of currently) in the franchise.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 09, 2018, 07:46:52 AM
Requiem is at worst the second best AvP movie.
I see what you did there...
I was in college at the time. I remember watching leaked footage of the creatures and fight scenes before classes, it looked much more mature and therefore more promising than the first film. I was really excited to see it. I still prefer it to the first one. I don't get why it takes so much more flack. There are no cheesy predator human team-ups. Is it because it's set in a town and not Antarctica or a temple? Oh well, I admit it was far too dark to see anything on the dvd, but when I picked it up on bluray it's just as clear as a bell. Love the unrated version. The characters are a non-issue for me. I just love it for the set pieces and the creatures.
Don't get me wrong, I think both movies were rather bad, in many ways. But I would like to see somebody finally make a good one. Perhaps between the Disney deal, and the new Predator movie, interest may be rekindled.
Quote from: Huggs on May 16, 2018, 04:12:11 AMbut when I picked it up on bluray it's just as clear as a bell. Love the unrated version.
Wait really? Which bluray? I need this now I only have it on DVD
Quote from: HybridNewborn on May 16, 2018, 04:23:03 AM
Quote from: Huggs on May 16, 2018, 04:12:11 AMbut when I picked it up on bluray it's just as clear as a bell. Love the unrated version.
Wait really? Which bluray? I need this now I only have it on DVD
The AVP double feature. It's not lit up like a Pixar movie, but I could finally tell what the heck I was looking at. The dvd was more like an audio drama. :D
:laugh:
Quote from: Huggs on May 16, 2018, 04:31:12 AM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on May 16, 2018, 04:23:03 AM
Quote from: Huggs on May 16, 2018, 04:12:11 AMbut when I picked it up on bluray it's just as clear as a bell. Love the unrated version.
Wait really? Which bluray? I need this now I only have it on DVD
The AVP double feature. It's not lit up like a Pixar movie, but I could finally tell what the heck I was looking at. The dvd was more like an audio drama. :D
Lol!! Audio drama [emoji12]
Sweet, thanks :)
Maybe re-considering AvP:R as an audio drama makes it better.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 19, 2018, 06:26:39 PM
Maybe re-considering AvP:R as an audio drama makes it better.
It worked for me for many years. I didn't even know it had aliens in it until I saw the blu-ray. I just always thought it was an apocalyptic story of survival about a displaced horseshoe crab making his way to the ocean, as a mutated and invasive new species of badger overtake some town in Oregon during the end of the world.
Rewatched it last night for the first time in about a year and a half, ive honestly never thought it was an abomination like soooooo many reviewers on IMDb and some fans on here think. Anything with Vs. in the title is not going for spectacular storytelling or Academy Award worthy performances its here to deliver carnage and creature violence in full force. Which is exactly what Requiem did for me.
Quote from: IZE on May 30, 2018, 07:45:37 PM
Rewatched it last night for the first time in about a year and a half, ive honestly never thought it was an abomination like soooooo many reviewers on IMDb and some fans on here think. Anything with Vs. in the title is not going for spectacular storytelling or Academy Award worthy performances its here to deliver carnage and creature violence in full force. Which is exactly what Requiem did for me.
This is... baffling.
And im talking about the Unrated Edition if that makes a difference, the Theatrical cut is a bit of a mess especially that opening sequence. Don't get me wrong there are things that i don't like about it, the continuity errors, the ending the lighting although the blu ray i think helps a bit.
Nobody expected high art. Though it is bullshit to say that AVP can't be just as good as OG Predator and Alien.
- The modern setting is an issue, even moreso than the first film, because at least Antarctica was isolated. Even though it went against what we know about Predator behavior to be hunting in the super chill ass cold.
- The human characters suck and are literally there just to die.
- The Predators in the opening are idiots.
- The Aliens are pushovers.
- The main story line for the main characters is lame.
- The violence is ultimately dull and pedestrian.
- The Predalien has a stupid reproductive method.
- The national guard scene is a completely wasted opportunity.
AVP can and should be done right. But it would need to be on the level of Aliens or Gibson's Alien 3. Space, equipment, marines, a good script. Even something like the first novel. Unfortunately, you're not going to get that for 40 million dollars. Almost anything can be great, if given enough time and money. But those are two things AVP is never gonna have, unless by some miracle Disney decides to go for it and invest $150mil on AVP3. But what are the odds of that?
If we could just welcome some billionaires into the fanbase we wouldn't have this problem. :D
Shit, even with the budget Paul had, he could have done a space setting, but he couldn't even if he had wanted to, because of those on high.
For me the ideal AVP movie at this point would actually be a cut down affair.
One alien. One Predator. A cast of characters cut from the cloth of films like The Thing or Outland. Civilians, but no push overs. Set on planet that's half desert, half Beksinski painting. An interesting Predator that is never an anti hero but is also in some respects clearly understood. Inspired by the short "Chained to Life and Death."
Just imagine Anytime and Big Chap, toe to toe.
Where the heck is that b-roll of Big Chap from and why is this my first time seeing it?
Quote from: SiL on May 31, 2018, 03:13:38 AM
Where the heck is that b-roll of Big Chap from and why is this my first time seeing it?
Gorgeous isn't it. I recognize the first and I think third shot, but that second shot is just amazing. That is the kind of thing we need to be seeing in some new Alien films. And I finally got to see the skull. :)
I daresay that's my favorite shot of the entire franchise. Best shot of an Alien I've ever seen.
Quote from: SiL on May 31, 2018, 03:13:38 AM
Where the heck is that b-roll of Big Chap from and why is this my first time seeing it?
I don't know where it originally comes from, probably some BTS doc, but I cut them out of an "extended death scene" for Brett. There's a couple more interesting shots in there that are sorta awkwardly cut together.
I was watching the Directors Cut of Alien, which I haven't watched very much, and noticed for the first time that it got changed after Dallas' death. After Ash exits from the galley, Ripley looks at Lambert and she has a bit of snot running out her nose, then it cuts back to Ripley and she gets up from her seat. Then it cuts to her entering Mother.
In the original cut it goes Ash exits, Ripley looks at Lambert, Lambert looks at Ripley, then cuts to Action Parker (TM) going to refuel the flamethrower. That Parker scene got cut from the DC.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 31, 2018, 05:17:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 31, 2018, 03:13:38 AM
Where the heck is that b-roll of Big Chap from and why is this my first time seeing it?
I don't know where it originally comes from, probably some BTS doc, but I cut them out of an "extended death scene" for Brett. There's a couple more interesting shots in there that are sorta awkwardly cut together.
Could it be from the Virtual Workprint?
Not in the one I have.
Oh, no, I recognise that. It was someone attempting to do another virtual workprint kinda thing. I'll see if I can find the link to his project page.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ALIEN-VIRTUAL-WORKPRINT-V2-EXTENDED-WORKPRINT-working-title/id/17815/page/2
This is the first time I came across that fella.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2018, 11:48:13 PM
For me the ideal AVP movie at this point would actually be a cut down affair.
One alien. One Predator. A cast of characters cut from the cloth of films like The Thing or Outland. Civilians, but no push overs. Set on planet that's half desert, half Beksinski painting. An interesting Predator that is never an anti hero but is also in some respects clearly understood. Inspired by the short "Chained to Life and Death."
The sad thing is that it could work easily, yet no one bothered to try it. One Xenomorph means that thy can't just kill it off like the cannon fodder in Requiem, it would need to remain a threat throughout the movie. I can imagine a good one on one fight, kind of like when the Hellhound was fighting the Beast of gevaudan in teen wolf. They battled throughout the series, neither one gaining decisive victory until the end episode.
Having it go down in space, far in the future would make the sense. Especially since most of the comics and novels (if not all, idk) happen in space. Plus the lack of resources and isolation from the rest of humanity would make the situation more precarious for the humans - believably. Then the stars of the show (the alien and predator) can take over.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2018, 05:39:48 AM
In the original cut it goes Ash exits, Ripley looks at Lambert, Lambert looks at Ripley, then cuts to Action Parker (TM) going to refuel the flamethrower. That Parker scene got cut from the DC.
I wonder why.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 31, 2018, 08:21:12 AM
Could it be from the Virtual Workprint?
I know one of the shots is from one of the making of featurettes. Where they lather the aliens face in KY. Mm-mm...
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 31, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2018, 05:39:48 AM
In the original cut it goes Ash exits, Ripley looks at Lambert, Lambert looks at Ripley, then cuts to Action Parker (TM) going to refuel the flamethrower. That Parker scene got cut from the DC.
I wonder why.
Pacing, that's the reason for all the changes in the Marketing Cut. lol
Shame really considering better stuff could've been done with it besides what was.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2018, 04:47:47 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 31, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2018, 05:39:48 AM
In the original cut it goes Ash exits, Ripley looks at Lambert, Lambert looks at Ripley, then cuts to Action Parker (TM) going to refuel the flamethrower. That Parker scene got cut from the DC.
I wonder why.
Pacing, that's the reason for all the changes in the Marketing Cut. lol
Shame really considering better stuff could've been done with it besides what was.
Was never too keen on the re-edit of Alien.
And I've always thought if you include the cocoon scene it should be placed before Ripley sets the self destruct. Everyone is right when they say it just breaks the pace of the final chunk of the movie to put that scene in right after she sets the self destruct.
Though, honestly that particular bit is best left on the cutting room floor in this case.
Quote from: Wysps on May 31, 2018, 03:04:51 PM
Having it go down in space, far in the future would make the sense. Especially since most of the comics and novels (if not all, idk) happen in space. Plus the lack of resources and isolation from the rest of humanity would make the situation more precarious for the humans - believably. Then the stars of the show (the alien and predator) can take over.
The ideal would basically be to ratchet things up and up for the first two acts, and then blow out the gears in the final act with the Alien and Predator. Have alien and predator take turns picking away at the people from both sides. The Predator can wipe out and take on the big guns, the alien can do it's thing in the vents and sub levels, and then the two can be drawn into battle somewhere in between. I've always said that, more or less, FvsJ was the ideal "versus" film, and how they intermixed the lores of both franchises was pretty solid. That's how i'd want it done with the Alien and Predator.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2018, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Wysps on May 31, 2018, 03:04:51 PM
Having it go down in space, far in the future would make the sense. Especially since most of the comics and novels (if not all, idk) happen in space. Plus the lack of resources and isolation from the rest of humanity would make the situation more precarious for the humans - believably. Then the stars of the show (the alien and predator) can take over.
The ideal would basically be to ratchet things up and up for the first two acts, and then blow out the gears in the final act with the Alien and Predator. Have alien and predator take turns picking away at the people from both sides. The Predator can wipe out and take on the big guns, the alien can do it's thing in the vents and sub levels, and then the two can be drawn into battle somewhere in between. I've always said that, more or less, FvsJ was the ideal "versus" film, and how they intermixed the lores of both franchises was pretty solid. That's how i'd want it done with the Alien and Predator.
That'd definitely take care of the whole "team up" issue where Predator/Human work side-by-side, which is kind of hokey imo (as much as I like Noguchi and Delacroix). It was hard to get past it in the most recent AVP novels. Here's to hoping that FOX gives another crack at it within the next decade - but judging by the continued hate AVP gets, probably not.
I think the films have tainted the other media to an extent.
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
I think the films have tainted the other media to an extent.
Depends on the writers and artists I think, but sure as hell everything post AvP seems to lean on that mayan style far too much to my liking.
I can definitely dig a 1 vs 1 predator/alien movie with humans in between, like an old school space thriller.
And Requiem is my guilty pleasure haha, always favored that one over the first, too family friendly for my taste ;D.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jun 04, 2018, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
I think the films have tainted the other media to an extent.
Depends on the writers and artists I think, but sure as hell everything post AvP seems to lean on that mayan style far too much to my liking.
I'm talking about with your average punter. If the films had been better, the AvP logo on a book or comic would likely be more attractive.
Yeah I never liked seeing the AvP movie logo on the DH comics. :)
Requiem did not make me view AvP in a better light
Both were deeply disappointing, but for different reasons