I believe the only 2 Predator sequels that acknowledge Predator 2 is 'The Predator' and 'Prey' all other sequels including AVP's just ignore it. The cool thing about Predator 2 climax is when Greyback hands over Harrigan the flintlock pistol it opens out to so many possibilities which future sequels ignored. It only got recognized now in 'Prey' and I was pleasantly surprised with that flintlock pistol.
I for one enjoyed Predator 2 and don't understand why it gets rated so low. Characters could've been developed a little more otherwise it just expanded on the mythos.
- New weapons
- Amazing medi-kit scene.
- New Vision modes.
- Doesn't attack unarmed people, children and pregnant women.
- They've been hunting on earth since centuries.
- Cool spaceship and interior incl. trophy room
- Other clans.
- Torments the protagonist into executing ones close to him for a fight.
I think the creative team behind Prey appreciates these aspects too about Predator 2 finally tying it down into Prey.
I think you can see "OWLF" somewhere in background in AVPR
And Predator 2 is quite loved here
f**k yeah.
f**k, f**k yeah!
f**k yeah Predator 2 ROCKS, and I will defend it to my dying breath f**k yeah
OG smart disc > shurikens
Quote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 08:11:01 PMOG smart disc > shurikens
Love 'em both, but I strongly agree.
I love Predator 2
Quote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 06, 2022, 08:20:02 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 08:11:01 PMOG smart disc < shurikens
Yes, I agree
Appreciation thread my dude, don't start.
I like Predator 2's frisbee but I like 'em spinning blades from AvP more, sorry
Hell yeah!!! Honestly my favorite character in the franchise, The Bad Blood Predator wouldn't even exist without Predator 2, his entire self, body and armor are based on the city hunter aesthetic. It had a huge impact on the EU and the fan base as well as being my second favorite predator movie. There is no denying the awesomeness of Predator 2!
While I definitely believe that Predator is the better written and made film all around, and is of course the classic that started it all, Predator 2 has always been my favorite in the series, and I've probably watched way more than the original tbh. There's just something about it that's so fun and rewatchable!
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Quote from: Kradan on Sep 07, 2022, 06:27:11 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 06, 2022, 08:20:02 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 08:11:01 PMOG smart disc < shurikens
Yes, I agree
Appreciation thread my dude, don't start.
I like Predator 2's frisbee but I like 'em spinning blades from AvP more, sorry
Cool but this isn't the place.
IRT THREAD
P2 was the first Alien or Predator movie I ever saw. I remember not finishing it on first watch, but I can't remember where I ended. I think I was 8.
Stuck with me. Such a fun movie.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 07, 2022, 06:53:59 AMWhile I definitely believe that Predator is the better written and made film all around, and is of course the classic that started it all, Predator 2 has always been my favorite in the series, and I've probably watched way more than the original tbh. There's just something about it that's so fun and rewatchable!
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Love it man. Absolutely with you
I appreciate it. It's a shame the later sequels/games/comics dropped the awesome ship interior designs for some kind of boring Star Trek one. Lazy!
I love Predator 2, I hold it up to the first one, yes the first is best but damn P2 comes close to being just as good in my eyes.
Predator 2 f**kin' rules. Out of any piece of media in the entire series, it's probably done the absolute most to expand on the creature and it's mythology. And on top of that, it's just a very fun movie from start to finish. The ending with Harrigan in the ship and the Lost Tribe is one of my favorite scenes out of any movie, ever.
Growing up, it drove me crazy that all my friends hated this movie. I'm very glad that it seems more and more people are coming back and looking at it in a better light in recent times.
A shame it doesn't have higher ratings in general, hell even Predators is rated higher on IMDB ::)
Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2022, 09:27:18 AMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 07, 2022, 06:27:11 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 06, 2022, 08:20:02 PMQuote from: SiL on Sep 06, 2022, 08:11:01 PMOG smart disc < shurikens
Yes, I agree
Appreciation thread my dude, don't start.
I like Predator 2's frisbee but I like 'em spinning blades from AvP more, sorry
Cool but this isn't the place.
IRT THREAD
P2 was the first Alien or Predator movie I ever saw. I remember not finishing it on first watch, but I can't remember where I ended. I think I was 8.
Stuck with me. Such a fun movie.
Saw Predator when I was seven or eight. Loved it ever since. About Predator 2 I remember my father borrowed a whole box of 80' and 90' schlock from a friend who was running VHS rental and Predator 2 was among them. Watched it daily! Happy times 😉
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 07, 2022, 04:25:35 PMA shame it doesn't have higher ratings in general, hell even Predators is rated higher on IMDB ::)
Thing about ratings is, they are not updated. Paradox is Predator 2 is the best sequel and cult classic but has lowest ratings.
That's Prey but I do agree, I can think of a few ratings that are just outdated.
Predator 2 remains the best sequel, if not in filmmaking at least style and entertainment.
I think Prey's a cut above in every regard.
As much as I really enjoy Prey, I'm also still in the camp of Predator 2 being the best sequel. But Prey is very very close up there with the first 2 imo. I recognize that a lot of that is probably based on nostalgia, but I think Predator 2 is just really entertaining, and did so much for world-building and adding on to the lore. Which is something I think any sequel in any series should strive to do.
Prey has a lot of advantages over 2 in terms of technical film-making for sure. But there's just something about 2 that is special.
I don't necessarily begrudge anyone for preferring Prey to 2 tho, personally :)
Don't mean to fan the flames on "which is the best sequel" debate either.
I'm just here to show some love for 2 ;D
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 07, 2022, 07:04:40 PMI think Prey's a cut above in every regard.
Then you are minority sweetheart 😘
But I am not? You yourself pointed that out earlier. Not that being in the majority means that I am right though.
Prey has no style. It's filmmaking white bread. There's nothing to make it stand out against a hundred other perfectly competently made movies.
There's no mistaking Predator 2. It is a beast of its own.
And yet for all that style it is not a better film in my honest opinion, do you know who I also think has all the style of white bread? James Cameron.
Who cares what you think about James Cameron? We're here to praise Predator 2.
IRT Thread
The one thing I think the sequel does absolutely better than the original is the music. It's everything that was good about the original OST with new, beautiful compositions that really created a distinct sound for the Predator.
Did I hit a nerve or something there? You responded to me about the style of the film. I don't know what's more condescending "sweetheart" or your tone.
First thing, no to condescension, Master. And for everyone else, the intention of the thread has been made clear. Stick to the intention.
I loved its accurate depiction of Los Angeles in the late 90s.
And snipped. I believe I asked for the condescension to be dropped.
I'm I being censored Boss? Because honest to God, I don't know where I was in slightest stepping on the line in my last post.
Comparing someone's opinion you disagreed with with the human anatomy. You were being rude and condescending. There's no need to get in a tiff about Prey in here, this thread is to talk about the things folk appreciate about Predator 2. Let's get back on topic.
I wasn't compering nobody's opinion. It was said in general, that everybody has got it's own opinion. Also, I'm not the one who brought Prey into the thread. Sorry, but I do get a feeling some are allowed more then others, which makes me abit bitter tbh.
Let's keep it positive
How about this awesome illustrated poster for the film! Has to be one of the best posters in the entire franchise, Predator OR Alien imo
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Actually, Predator 2 is the only one on my Predator Poster Wall with two of them, because how good they were!
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The picture is old and there's also a Prey poster there already, but I'm in the middle of renovation of my kids room, so allot of stuff is put temporarily into my study and I can't (won't) take another due to overwhelming mess 😀
I love the painted poster and the photo of City Hunter.
The spine always seemed a bit short though :laugh:
And to stiff but who cares!
P2 is an underrated sequel. I like how City Hunter gets new weapons like the Combi stick and the netgun. And its hard to imagine a movie nowadays having voodoo Jamaican gangs, Columbian drug lords, dubious government agents, alien hunter on a safari, in-your-face journalists, violent cop and over-the-top swearing, all in one movie.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Sep 08, 2022, 08:29:28 AMP2 is an underrated sequel. I like how City Hunter gets new weapons like the Combi stick and the netgun. And its hard to imagine a movie nowadays having voodoo Jamician gangs, Columbian drug lords, dubious government agents, alien hunter on a safari, in-your-face journalists, violent cop and over-the-top swearing, all in one movie.
It's a very Cocaine movie
El Scorpio is ready
Hi everyone, glad to see so many responses on this. The point of this thread is not to compare which movie or weapons are better. Films are like art and directors its artists we cannot compare them. Every film/art is made in a different style to appreciate. Director Stephen Hopkins had stated if he would've done it now he would've done it differently, maybe we could have got an even better film.
Lets also not forget the terrific and adrenaline pumping score of Predator 2 by Alan Silvestri, it just made it epic and tied it into the Predator universe. Especially listen to the track when King Willie gets killed the score buildup is phenomenal with the percussions going crazy.
Also movie like this don't get made anymore:(
Nicely put.
My favourite Predator track to date:
Lucky enough to watch it in the theaters. 8) Man, the ending is so good! When the laser beamed on Harrigan's face, I was like :o and thought he was going to be killed. Then when Greyback and his clan revealed themselves, I nearly lost it. The reveal of the clan had a lasting effect on me.
Something also noteworthy about that scene. It is also one of the few films with what could be described as sequel or prequel bait to actually result in something good. That being Prey recently.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Sep 08, 2022, 08:29:28 AMover-the-top swearing
Aaand over the top sweating. Very important.
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And snipped. I shouldn't have to be asking again - the intent of the thread is very clear, stop trying to steer it away into conflict about other things.
Predator 2 for me is the Perfect sequel. Even more perfect that Aliens IMO (Not the quality of the film, just the way it expands the creature)
It takes what was good about the first film, does it again, but in a different place with different people. It HEAVILY adds to the lore without spoiling a single thing, which to be honest seems impossible these days :laugh: .
Predator 2 when you think about it is probably the birth point for a vast majority of the offshoot ideas that ever came from Predator over the years.
One thing I do find strange, I generally don't like when movies go over the top with the jokes ( Iron man 3 springs to mind), but for some reason Predator 2 is better for how it is. I think it's the time period. That kind of comedy/dark/horror/action is just unbeatable in that 80s/90s time zone.
And snipped again. I'm not finding it funny.
I think the main thing with the humour of the first two movies is it never really comes at the expense of a meaningful moment. There's no sad moment ruined by a stupid joke like most Marvel movies. Shit's tense when it needs to be tense and lightens the mood when it needs to release steam.
Even "Want some candy?" takes a f**ked up tone.
Another thing I want to talk about are sets of Predator 2. It has the most memorable sets out of all films with Predator. The ship is iconic but there's much more then the ship. King Willie's alley, Metro Command precinct or Ramon Vega's apartment. All of those reeks with style and uniqueness. I especially love the door of Ramon's apartment.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 12, 2022, 09:40:39 AMI think the main thing with the humour of the first two movies is it never really comes at the expense of a meaningful moment. There's no sad moment ruined by a stupid joke like most Marvel movies. Shit's tense when it needs to be tense and lightens the mood when it needs to release steam.
Even "Want some candy?" takes a f**ked up tone.
I think the big thing with the first film is most of the humorous tone that exists goes away the moment Hawkins' dies. Some of Arnold's best acting outside of Terminator follows suit. Nobody winks at the audience after that, and certainly when they find Hopper's team, and see one of the hostages get executed nobody is laughing or making snide remarks.
The only two exceptions are in the final duel "Ugly mother" < but the audience is absolutely on the same page, and Arnie's quip "Bad Idea." That's it. The final thrust of the film from once they enter the valley all the way through stays very earnest. Irreverent I guess?
To my mind I don't think anything sticks out in Predator 2. I was just listening to the AVPG podcast for Predator 2 and was trying to think about any jokes that really come off as tonally off. Not to me.
Quote from: Master on Sep 12, 2022, 07:03:11 PMAnother thing I want to talk about are sets of Predator 2. It has the most memorable sets out of all films with Predator. The ship is iconic but there's much more then the ship. King Willie's alley, Metro Command precinct or Ramon Vega's apartment. All of those reeks with style and uniqueness. I especially love the door of Ramon's apartment.
I agree. I remember the first time I saw the film as a youngin back in the late 90s. I don't think the exterior of Los Angeles is particularly interesting, but certainly the penthouse, alleyway, and Predator ship deliver some great atmosphere and visual flair. I don't know that the slaughterhouse is a particularly interesting locale, but they do some interesting things within in it.
One of the biggest contributions to the visual language of the Predator universe is that ship, and it absolutely ticks me off every time I watch the AVP films, or even The Predator, and see those very generic uninspired designs. I love that the Predator's basically have cave paintings in their ship and that wonderful ceiling piece that we only get a glimpse of. Beautiful set design. Properly alien, yet still strangely familiar. Harkening back to our own ancestral history.
"Bad idea" is the only thing I would change about Predator. That one line. Cut it out and it's perfect.
Love Predator 2's style. And yeah, the comedy in Predator, Predator 2 and even Aliens is mostly in the beginning before shit hits the fan. People are scared of the creatures, and jokes are used to relieve tension for the characters when comedy elements are present during the middle of the movies. But they're still scared, the threat and menace of the creatures is always present. That's why I like Predators and Prey as well.
And that's why I hate The Predator cause the jokes feel forced, the creatures don't feel like a threat or scary at all, characters aren't afraid at all for the most part, and the weaponizing autism plot trope kept breaking my immersion. Who ever thought that Shane "doing expensive reshoots at night makes things automatically scary" Black was a good idea for this should be fired.
Predator 2 is the perfect example for me of how you mix in dark comedy and so much style into basically a action-horror movie. I love the thing. Wish more Predator media was inspired by the second movie, not just the first one. Even Concrete Jungle, the game, has some epic one liners IMO.
Part of my fondness for Predator Concrete Jungle comes from the way that it genuinely feels like a sequel to Predator 2. Whereas most Predator media understandably chases after the first film, whether in subtler ways, or being a soft reboot as we saw with Predators.
Yeah. Especially with the Neo-Jamaican Voodoo Gang. "A sign from the Loa of Darkness! A message from our father Zarrigun the Scorpion God! The Loa sends us blood! Blood to make our turf sacred! Blood to make us strong! Take up your blades. Put on your ghost suits! This thing attacks in the night, but the night belongs to Les Serivturs! Les Serivturs!"
It really is a shame that "The Predator" turned out as it did. Between OWLF/Garber, the idea of the Predators having been coming here a long time, and their likelihood to return. Not to mention seeing Harrigan turn the hunt around on City Hunter, I really think there was the chance for the third movie to go from a hunt, to a reverse hunt, to an open war between agents of OWLF and a Predator clan. A dash of XCom where we start reverse engineering their stuff and using it ourselves. There were so many places to take a direct sequel to Predator 2. What a shame it'll never happen.
I'd say, more than any film in either franchise, Predator 2 really helped to open the universe up in a huge way. In spite of how "messy" the movie is, and frankly how undercooked some of the characters are, I think its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses.
Predator 2 is set in 1997 and I think it's because it was supposed to imply that Predators hunt every 10 years, as the previous hunt was in 1987.
But it was never officially addressed and got forgotten.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 15, 2022, 07:14:43 PMPredator 2 is set in 1997 and I think it's because it was supposed to imply that Predators hunt every 10 years, as the previous hunt was in 1987.
But it was never officially addressed and got forgotten.
2007 nostalgia's at an all time high right now so, I'd definitely take a Predator film set then almost like a period piece now, flip phones and shit.
Quote from: overthere on Sep 15, 2022, 07:14:43 PMPredator 2 is set in 1997 and I think it's because it was supposed to imply that Predators hunt every 10 years, as the previous hunt was in 1987.
But it was never officially addressed and got forgotten.
I believe it was set in 1984 and 1994 in the scripts,it's safe to think that it was an idea they've got.
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Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 07, 2022, 07:12:04 PMAs much as I really enjoy Prey, I'm also still in the camp of Predator 2 being the best sequel. But Prey is very very close up there with the first 2 imo.
Not even close. I consider P1 and P2 to be equally great (and P2 is my favourite) but Prey... quite forgettable if you ask me. It may has something to do with the main character I didnt care for.
Something to do with being basic.
Predator 2 is OK because it continues the working class/grunt characterization found in not only Predator but even in the first two Alien movies. This is what makes viewers sympathize with protagonists and lead to character development.
You can see that in each of the characters: Harrigan who doesn't want to give up, Danny who's likeable, the pregnant Leona, and Lambert who acts as a comic foil. Reminds you of the characters from the other movies.
Maybe the problem is that some aspects of the story look out of place or probably not even necessary, and that was probably inevitable because the setting (a city with lots of different places and groups) leads to that.