Me personally I love the movie the only problem I had with it was the lighting but thats about it. It had violence and action what more could you want??
More than violence and action.
Things like engaging characters, a Predator that doesn't do dumb shit, Aliens that are formidable opponents, pointless and juvenile additions to the Aliens features, better writing in general.
Floppy tubes.
Actually those aliens did wipe out the national guard all commando like and even cleared out 99% of the town in one night. Pretty formidable to be honest.
And yet did sweet f**k all to the Predator.
I think it's the "maternity ward scene" that really pushes people over the edge.
While body horror, pregnancy (as birth and death) and slaughter of innocents is pretty common in Japanese Hentai or Anime animation, its considered obscene and taboo in the west, even in a fictional setting.
But overall as an amatuer film-maker and former media students I can say while later ALIEN and PREDATOR sequels lacked the holistic quality of the originals, technically they are as good if not better in the make-up and VFX effects department.
Also I take even films like AVP-R scene by scene and I can say there is some overlooked quality in the film-making, including atmosphere, suspense, editing and (gulp) even the acting is better than some people think.
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 12:24:11 PM
And yet did sweet f**k all to the Predator.
He was just too badass.
:laugh:
I do love the little we got on the Predator homeworld.
Because it's miserable, awful and tasteless, with the look and scale of a crappy direct to video horror/slasher sequel.
On Wolf - I always found it odd how they show his face TWICE (on the Pred planet, in the crashed ship), yet they still try to make a big deal about him taking his mask off before confronting the Predalien.
QuoteI think it's the "maternity ward scene" that really pushes people over the edge.
Maybe the only thing in the movie that I enjoy unironically. It's a horror movie. It should be horrifying.
That scene is a good follow up to the hobos-in-the-sewer scene, which was not horrifying, but...something. Funny?
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 06, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
On Wolf - I always found it odd how they show his face TWICE (on the Pred planet, in the crashed ship), yet they still try to make a big deal about him taking his mask off before confronting the Predalien.
I interpreted that not as trying to make it into a grand reveal, but more for the dramatic effect of him stripping off all weaponry and gear to face the predalien one-on-one, bare handed.
Quote from: yautjapet on Oct 06, 2018, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 06, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
On Wolf - I always found it odd how they show his face TWICE (on the Pred planet, in the crashed ship), yet they still try to make a big deal about him taking his mask off before confronting the Predalien.
I interpreted that not as trying to make it into a grand reveal, but more for the dramatic effect of him stripping off all weaponry and gear to face the predalien one-on-one, bare handed.
I think the problem is that the unmasking of a Predator as a 'grand reveal' is a basic convention of the Predator franchise (the same as it is for Jason Voorhees), so they messed with it in a way that cheapened it when it finally occurred. Predators cheapened the convention intentionally by showing the captive Predator at the beginning without his mask on, BUT they redeem it by having an eventual unmasking of one of the big Predators later. The Predator, I think, flatly rejects the grand reveal convention and never once features an unmasking scene.
Quote from: Hudson on Oct 06, 2018, 04:57:31 PM
QuoteI think it's the "maternity ward scene" that really pushes people over the edge.
Maybe the only thing in the movie that I enjoy unironically. It's a horror movie. It should be horrifying.
That scene is a good follow up to the hobos-in-the-sewer scene, which was not horrifying, but...something. Funny?
There was either a deleted or unfilmed scene were the PREDALIEN can somehow "see" if a woman is pregnant and therefore she would be a target for the egg-barfing "mouth to mouth" insemination. Kind of the opposite of the PREDATOR NOT killing pregnant women or weak men (PREDATOR 2 and AVP). .
Kind of cruel that Ray (the skinned cop) waitress wife Carrie was revealed as pregnant and killed in the Kitchen scene via the "baby bursters". Yes pregnant women's wombs made them able to spawn more than one Xenomorph.
I kind of share the view it was refreshing that a movie had no "plot kryptonite" where only Star trekesque redshirts get killed while everyone else gets a free-pass.
Also while in the cinema I think I spotted one couple on a "first date". It ended when his girl date got up with a "what the f**k was that movie" look of horror when the credits rolled.
Not an ideal movie if you intend on being a Father one day as it is very antinatalist.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 06, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Oct 06, 2018, 04:57:31 PM
QuoteI think it's the "maternity ward scene" that really pushes people over the edge.
Maybe the only thing in the movie that I enjoy unironically. It's a horror movie. It should be horrifying.
That scene is a good follow up to the hobos-in-the-sewer scene, which was not horrifying, but...something. Funny?
There was either a deleted or unfilmed scene were the PREDALIEN can somehow "see" if a woman is pregnant and therefore she would be a target for the egg-barfing "mouth to mouth" insemination. Kind of the opposite of the PREDATOR NOT killing pregnant women or weak men (PREDATOR 2 and AVP). .
Kind of cruel that Eddy (the skinned cop) waitress wife Karen was revealed as pregnant and killed in the Kitchen scene via the "baby bursters". Yes pregnant women's wombs made them able to spawn more than one Xenomorph.
I kind of share the view it was refreshing that a movie had no "plot kryptonite" where only Star trekesque redshirts get killed while everyone else gets a free-pass.
Also while in the cinema I think I spotted one couple on a "first date". It ended when his girl date got up with a "what the f**k was that movie" look of horror when the credits rolled.
Not an ideal movie if you intend on being a Father one day as it is very antinatalist.
To me it feels more like a comment on the inevitability of nature than asserting anything cruel. Nature has no ethics or morals, but we can't really comprehend that as sapient beings. I mean, that's my take on it at least. I think it's scarier to imagine animals satisfying their basic instincts than, say, a Predator which hunts for fun.
But I don't want to really give this movie credit for that being intentional.
Quote from: Hudson on Oct 06, 2018, 05:51:27 PMTo me it feels more like a comment on the inevitability of nature than asserting anything cruel. Nature has no ethics or morals, but we can't really comprehend that as sapient beings. I mean, that's my take on it at least. I think it's scarier to imagine animals satisfying their basic instincts than, say, a Predator which hunts for fun.
But I don't want to really give this movie credit for that being intentional.
Well in the wild animals do kill the young or unborn and in war-time scenarios; something we haven't seen on our homelands since WW2, nothing is sacred and the universe is not keeping score on "good or evil". Hence why it is daft to blindly believe the bible there'll be repercussions for evil in the afterlife (Heaven and Hell) or you'll be rewarded for good deeds in the present life (Karma). If anything I have learned the opposite is true, take what you want cause at the end of the day no-one truly cares its everyone for themselves and life is short.
Richard Dawkins debunked acts of kindness in his "The Selfish Gene" by saying it is a primal survival strategy and even the weak will bound together and literally eat the leader if it means to survive regardless of decency or remorse.
As far as ALIENS, even James Cameron had elements of infanticide in ALIENS (1986). Those colonists had on-screen families and only one child was found alive.......
Yet no-one brings Mr Cameron up on his motivations for that.
Because he didn't resort to cheap tacky shocks by killing children in an "gritty", "hardcore" attempt to be edgy.
Gilfryd said it best - "miserable, awful and tasteless".
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 12:19:04 PM
Floppy tubes.
Actually those aliens did wipe out the national guard all commando like and even cleared out 99% of the town in one night. Pretty formidable to be honest.
I would argue that, since the national guard were useless and weren't working as they should and I doubt that 99% of the town was taken, though if the majority was, then that is actually down to Wolf and his idiocy.
Quote from: Kailem on Oct 06, 2018, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 12:24:11 PM
And yet did sweet f**k all to the Predator.
He was just too badass.
:laugh:
Just like how a kid squishing a defensless ant is badass, or someone beating up a parapalegic is badass.... :P
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 06, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
[As far as ALIENS, even James Cameron had elements of infanticide in ALIENS (1986). Those colonists had on-screen families and only one child was found alive.......
Yet no-one brings Mr Cameron up on his motivations for that.
Because he didn't disgust the audience by going too far and showing it like Requiem did. The horror is there in the aftermath and your imagination fills in the gaps, but Requiem is in your face about it and does it not to show horror but simply gore for the sake of it.
How badass is that National Guard guy who walks up to the car with the blood on the window, but doesn't see the Alien crouching right next to it? :laugh:
He should have gone to specsavers.
So it's a horror movie that's has so much horror, therefor it's horrible. Who'd figure but I still don't think it is as horrible those torture porn flicks. The alien is a species that uses humans as hosts for their brood. Nothings sacred in nature and the 'survivors' life cycle. I know these aren't the David aliens but if they were... that's the exact thing I'd expect them to do. Plus it is a Predalien so... we've never seen how they are born or created. It could be all the Predators reproductive cycle's fault. Now with all that said, it still shouldn't have been done. People are weak when it comes to this type of thing. I mean it is a horrible thing.
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 09:31:31 PM
How badass is that National Guard guy who walks up to the car with the blood on the window, but doesn't see the Alien crouching right next to it? :laugh:
Maybe he was a single father working two jobs and the national guard to put himself through college who got called up in the middle of the night to battle an unbeknownst to him xenomorph hoard. Dude was all tuckered out and here you're insisting that he is an idiot for dying to an alien monster.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 06, 2018, 09:37:17 PM
So it's a horror movie that's has so much horror, therefor it's horrible. Who'd figure but I still don't think it is as horrible those torture porn flicks. The alien is a species that uses humans as hosts for their brood. Nothings sacred in nature and the 'survivors' life cycle. I know these aren't the David aliens but if they were... that's the exact thing I'd expect them to do. Plus it is a Predalien so... we've never seen how they are born or created. It could be all the Predators reproductive cycle's fault. Now with all that said, it still shouldn't have been done. People are weak when it comes to this type of thing. I mean it is a horrible thing.
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 09:31:31 PM
How badass is that National Guard guy who walks up to the car with the blood on the window, but doesn't see the Alien crouching right next to it? :laugh:
Maybe he was a single father working two jobs and the national guard to put himself through college who got called up in the middle of the night to battle an unbeknownst to him xenomorph hoard. Dude was all tuckered out and here you're insisting that he is an idiot for dying to an alien monster.
Obviously you misread what I said....I said it wasn't done for horror, it was done for the sake of gore. Horror is something different to gore. Horror is much more than just death and bloodshed, it is atmosphere.
QuoteMaybe he was a single father working two jobs and the national guard to put himself through college who got called up in the middle of the night to battle an unbeknownst to him xenomorph hoard. Dude was all tuckered out and here you're insisting that he is an idiot for dying to an alien monster.
I'm insisting he's not very good at his job of guarding. And that Zee Strauses aren't very good at theirs either.
As for the tired "it's a horror film" argument.
Graphically killing children and pregnant induces disgust; not fear. Having the PredAlien walk past the maternity ward full of crying babies, then having the characters walk past later an notice it's completely empty - no blood - would be way more effective than belly bursters.
@The Cruentus: That's wasn't a reply to anything you posted.
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
QuoteMaybe he was a single father working two jobs and the national guard to put himself through college who got called up in the middle of the night to battle an unbeknownst to him xenomorph hoard. Dude was all tuckered out and here you're insisting that he is an idiot for dying to an alien monster.
I'm insisting he's not very good at his job of guarding. And that Zee Strauses aren't very good at theirs either.
As for the tired "it's a horror film" argument.
Graphically killing children and pregnant induces disgust; not fear. Having the PredAlien walk past the maternity ward full of crying babies, then having the characters walk past later an notice it's completely empty - no blood - would be way more effective than belly bursters.
So you're a-ok with killing babies? Just do it out behind the shed? :P
I like this movie more than the 1st AVP. I think what this film did well.
WOLF is the best predator since City hunter
Predator vision best since Predator 2
The nest
Special effects and CGI
Quote from: burkewhimp on Oct 07, 2018, 02:28:36 AM
I like this movie more than the 1st AVP. I think what this film did well.
WOLF is the best predator since City hunter
Predator vision best since Predator 2
The nest
Special effects and CGI
I feel ya brother. It's no way a perfect or great film, but there's still a lot of fun to be had with AvPR.. more than AvP in my opinion too! Plus some great gore!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 07, 2018, 01:44:47 AM
@The Cruentus: That's wasn't a reply to anything you posted.
Quote from: SM on Oct 06, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
QuoteMaybe he was a single father working two jobs and the national guard to put himself through college who got called up in the middle of the night to battle an unbeknownst to him xenomorph hoard. Dude was all tuckered out and here you're insisting that he is an idiot for dying to an alien monster.
I'm insisting he's not very good at his job of guarding. And that Zee Strauses aren't very good at theirs either.
As for the tired "it's a horror film" argument.
Graphically killing children and pregnant induces disgust; not fear. Having the PredAlien walk past the maternity ward full of crying babies, then having the characters walk past later an notice it's completely empty - no blood - would be way more effective than belly bursters.
So you're a-ok with killing babies? Just do it out behind the shed? :P
They're monsters. They don't discriminate in who they kill. We don't need to see it to know that it happened.
Unless you're a-ok with killing babies in full view.
QuoteUnless you're a-ok with killing babies in full view.
Which doesn't happen in AvPR. An expectant mother is killed in full view, not babies.
The movie's "tasteless" brutality is easily at the bottom of its list of problems.
I am aware.
He's aware.
Quote from: Hudson on Oct 07, 2018, 04:33:43 AM
QuoteUnless you're a-ok with killing babies in full view.
Which doesn't happen in AvPR. An expectant mother is killed in full view, not babies.
The movie's "tasteless" brutality is easily at the bottom of its list of problems.
A child is killed in full view however, and said pregnant woman's stomach is exploded in full view, while you don't see a baby killed, the fact her stomach is hollowed out with four bellybursters can still be considered too on the nose.
I agree that the tasteless gore is not even close to the main issue of the movie, you could probably make a page full list.
Everything you need to know:
1. The opening 20th century Fox logo is a rip off of Alien 3. The way the music fades out is almost the exact same way Alien 3 did it. Get used to this, you're going to notice a lot of these forced references.
2. The opening credits start and we see the credits are spelled out in a cheap, cliche' metal font and we hear the sound of motion trackers. Why? There are none in this movie, why are we hearing motion trackers? This movie hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed.
3. We see scar lying dead on his alter from the first AVP, except now everything is different. The interior of the ship is different and the ship is clearly heading in a completely different direction than it was at the end of the first movie. Continuity? What's that?
4. The Predators have facehuggers onboard their ship and not only that, we see a predator skinning a dead alien's head. Soooo...What was the point of the pyramid if you could just breed and hunt aliens onboard your own ship? In the first AVP, they made it seem like the Pyramid was their only means of doing their hunting ritual, that's why they returned every 100 years. But no, they could have done it anywhere and anytime. *beep* stupid.
5. The Predalien proves that he's an effective killing machine: he wastes no time killing two predators, just like any alien would. REMEMBER THAT!
6. The third predator on the ship opens fire on the predalien and like a complete moron continues to open fire thus causing the ship to crash. Are Predators really this stupid? No, it's just an excuse to get this story centered in Dawson's Creek....I mean Gunnison.
7. How long does it take for a predator ship to leave earth? We see the Predalien being born, we see him grow, we see that a predator has had enough time to breed, fight and kill an alien. So why is it that when the ship gets damaged they are still in earth's orbit? that thing should have been half way to Saturn by the time the first predator died. We're not even 5 minutes into this thing and the film already has the biggest plot holes in the series.
8. Why is it that when this huge, loud, crashing ship lands outside of Gunnison, no one sees it except for some father and son hunting team in the woods?
9. The surviving Predator is badly injured and lying on the floor, he's so hurt that he can't even get up and he notices the facehuggers are escaping. So instead of, you know, just blowing himself up like any predator would have done. He sends a distress signal instead. Why didn't he just blow himself up and save Wolf all the trouble? I've seen Predators blow themselves up for less.
10. The biggest and most glaring problem with this movie is WOLF. The fact that the Strause brothers thought it was a good idea to send one predator instead of a team shows how much they don't understand the alien series, the importance of tension, or the expectations of the common movie goer. In the alien series and even the first AVP movie, they made it absolutely clear that the aliens can never reach earth or they would spread and take over the world. "They mustn't reach the surface! They mustn't reach the surface!" At least Paul W.S Anderson understood the importance of keeping the aliens from reaching civilized land. This is everything Ripley feared and died to prevent and how do the Strause brothers treat the situation? Oh they just send a glorified predator janitor to clean up the mess. As if that's all the aliens are to the predators: a minor nuisance that can be taken care of by just one of them. The strause brothers just went up to Ridley Scott,James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Paul W.S Anderson and said; "Hey guys, you know that creature you all spent so much time trying to make scary and menacing? Well we're about to *beep* all over your efforts." If there is only one predator then there is no tension in the fights, we know he has to live until the end or else the movie couldn't justify its title. Of course, as we all know, the Strause brothers' justification for sending one predator is that Wolf is an ubber-dooper-super –dooper-mega-awesome-most-experienced-predator that ever lived.....ever. Too bad everything wolf does proves otherwise.
11. So after that *beep* is over, We get to meet our human characters. All 7 of them...in a movie that's only an hour and half.
We got an ex-con trying to reconnect with his younger brother.
-A Mother back from overseas trying to reconnect with her daughter.
-The jail bird's younger brother trying to get the attention of some hot chick.
-A mother looking for her husband and son.
-A sheriff trying to figure out why people are disappearing.
All of these subplots and characters are given little to no development because of the short running time and the fact that we have to cut away from all of these stories to see Wolf hunt aliens. They should have just stuck to one human story and developed it. Not juggle 5 at once.
12. The predalien and the facehuggers have managed to birth a few aliens and they look absolutely pathetic. What happened to the 8-foot-tall Giger beast that towered over everyone? Now a homeless woman is looking down on one like a dog. Wolf arrives on earth and crashes into a lake. He rises from the water just like the predator in the first movie. What a rip off.
13. It's at this point you realize something about the night time scenes in this movie. THEY ARE WAAAAYYY too Dark. Yeah, I know it's been said a million times but there is no excuse for this in a major motion picture.
14. Wolf runs through the woods and finds the crashed ship....I think, I can barely see anything.
15. He loads up his weapons....AFTER he lands on earth and finds his dead friends. Yeah, I'm sure that's what an expert cleaner would do: land in a potentially hostile environment, enter the crashed ship, search for his friends and THEN arm himself.
16. The Strause Brothers try so hard to make Wolf LOOK like a badass but never give him any badass things to do. It's like I can hear the strause brothers saying "you know how most predators only have one symbol on their masks? Well Wolf has like...50...yeah, and he sits in this huge throne, like a king and he's got like....two shoulder cannons. See how cool he is?" Wolf is the worst predator ever conceived just for the fact that he was made to please fan boys and not tell a story. I'll delve into that later.
17. Wolf blows up the ship and sets out on his mission....and nobody heard or saw this massive explosion just outside of town? Is everyone in Gunnison blind and deaf?
18. Wolf tracks down the dead bodies of the hunter and his son and uses some blue liquid to dissolve the bodies. So this is how Wolf is going to erase evidence? He's going to go place to place and just drop this *beep* everywhere? The funny thing Is, I didn't see any other vile of this stuff in his case. He only brought one vile? I guess, you don't ever see any others.
19. Wolf notices a cop spying on him and kills him. Why? He erased all the evidence of the aliens and dead bodies, so why would he care to kill this harmless cop? He didn't threaten him, he didn't do anything. Was it because he didn't want the humans to be alerted to his presence? No, that can't be it because later he skins the cop and hangs him up for the world to see.
20. Wolf finally tracks down the aliens in a sewer and it's here where we finally get to see Wolf's skill as a hunter. He walks cautiously through the sewer and....doesn't notice the alien casually hanging to his left. With his Alien vision, that thing should have been as easily spotted as headlights on a dark road. But that's ok because he keeps on going and...walks past another alien without noticing. Boy, Wolf really is aware of his surroundings...just like a true elite, right?...Right?
21. Why didn't those two aliens kill him? Oh right, because we can't have our one and only predator dying before the climax.
22. Wolf sets up some grid like laser nets and then screams out to the aliens to come and get him. Yeah, they'll only attack when Wolf is good and ready for a fight...good thing the aliens are such good sports.
23. He fights the aliens and it's painful to watch. ( If you can see anything at all that is) He tosses the aliens around like rag dolls and holds two of them up by their throats like they were nothing. Are these the 8-foot-tall perfect organisms from the original alien series? Are these the ultimate Prey from the first AVP movie? No, they're 4 foot tall pussies who can't even get out of the grip of the predator's hand. And before you bring up the whole "experienced elder" get out of jail card: Keep in mind that grabbing someone by the throat takes no skill or experience at all. I can grab a cat by the neck and he'd scratch the living hell out of my arm. What do these aliens do? Nothing, they don't scratch him with their claws, they don't stab him with their tails or spit acid in his face or just you know, simply over power him.
24. And since Wolf Is such an expert at killing aliens, he's going to do the most logical execution move on these aliens...He's going to shoot them at pointblank range. Yeah, because that's what you want to do to a creature with acid for blood.
25. The predalien shows up and smacks wolf with his tail. Why didn't he just kill him like he did with all the other predators at the beginning of the movie? Oh right, we can't have our only Predator die too early.
26. The aliens leave the sewers and wolf follows them and because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself, he uses his Nintendo power glove to blow a giant hole in the middle of the street and rises out of the hole uncloaked. He's quite the expert isn't he?
27. While Wolf follows a single alien to a power plant. The predalien and his crew invade a restaurant and impregnate a waitress with like 5 or 6 new aliens: more than making up for the two wolf killed in the sewer. So far, Wolf hasn't made a stitch of progress in his mission to wipe out the aliens.
28. By the way, you're probably wondering why I'm not mentioning any of the human characters. Well like I said, they're so
underdeveloped they aren't worth mentioning.
29. Wolf tracks an alien to a power plant and you won't believe this: an Alien actually gets the better of him. He surprise attacks him and shoves him over a railing and impales him on a metal pipe. Yeah, gravity and a conveniently placed pipe did the real damage, god forbid we actually let the aliens get some real hits off Wolf. So after inflicting damage on wolf, what does the alien do? Nothing, he just goes for a casual stroll somewhere. Isn't he going to finish the job? Did he get bored or something? I also love how he slowly walks away even with wolf shooting at him. Thank god a bunch of metal was blocking his shots otherwise that alien would have died.
30. After Wolf causes a blackout, the aliens begin taking over the town. There's an alien at a school who just killed some kid. Wolf shows up and kills him. Why did wolf come here? How did he know there was an alien in this school? Why this alien? Doesn't he know the Predalien is his primary target? While he's wasting his time killing all these aliens one by one, the predalien is giving birth to like 50 more.
31. Wolf hides in a tree to heal his wound from the power plant. You'll notice a huge trail of green blood going up the tree, he's bleeding like crazy and yet he chooses NOW to heal his wound. Not before he made his pointless trip from the power plant to the school...nope, now is the time. Damn Wolf really knows what he's doing, huh?
32. Wolf's healing scene is retarded. He got pierced with a thick pipe, he's bleeding like crazy and how does he heal himself? He sticks a small metal staple in his wound, that's it. He doesn't stitch himself up like the predator from the first movie or burn the wound like the one from predator 2 did. He just sticks a small...thing in his wound and is good to go. Never mind the fact that he should still be bleeding from both the front AND the back.
33. So after that, he looks to his side and sees....traffic. He then rises into a badass pose as if he's going to do something about it. What the *beep* is he going to do? Direct traffic? What was the motivation for that scene?
34. Wolf finds some humans in a department store. He uses them as bait to lure some aliens. Even though the aliens were already breaking into the store to begin with.
35. Once again, the aliens embarrass themselves by trying to attack wolf. He shrugs them off like nothing as expected. No tension, no suspense, no fun.
36. Later we see the dead aliens lying on the floor. Apparently wolf doesn't give a *beep* about erasing evidence anymore.
37. Wolf throws away his broken shoulder cannon and leaves it on the roof. Apparently, he also doesn't care about leaving his tech around either. He also left his laser grids in the sewers. Something Humans would have easily found after he left a giant hole in the middle of the street.
38. Wolf notices that the aliens have taken over a hospital....and pretty much the whole town. Wolf has failed at his mission. So what exactly was the point of sending one Predator to stop an alien infestation? I thought wolf was supposed to be god among predators: the best of the best; the ultimate elite badass? I guess not, he's just an incompetent moron whose only purpose is to make predator fanboys wet themselves.
39. Wolf goes to the hospital and like a true predator, he quietly sneaks in through a window....nah, I'm kidding, he breaks through the front door and makes as much noise as possible.
40. Wolf walks through the hospital and once again the Predalien gets the drop on him and instead of killing him, smacks him with his tail...again.
41. the Predalien is a pussy who backs off from a little scratch from Wolf's wrist blades and would rather let one of his worthless drones attack Wolf. Something he knew was pointless because he had to save two of them earlier in the movie.
42. Wolf stabs the alien and doesn't get any acid blood on him. He then shoots it at pointblank range and STILL doesn't get any acid blood on him. The Aliens once again prove to be weak, stupid, and worthless. Except for that one part where they took out an entire military unit in under a minute. Yeah OK, they can work together to take out an entire military unit but not a single predator? A stupid Predator who just walks around announcing his presence to the world?
43. Wolf kills some guy's girlfriend. And the guy unloads a machine gun at him and not one bullet makes contact with his skin. His armor only covers 30% of his body and not a single bullet or drop of acid blood touches his skin. GOD THIS MOVIE SUCKS!
44. Wolf finally goes one on one with the predalien but not before giving one final insult to one of cinema's greatest monsters. He slices an alien in half and as if to add insult to injury he walks over and crushes his head like a beer can.
45. Wolf fights the predalien and stabs it with his spear and the predalien responds by punching him in the face. Whatever happened to the pussy who backed off from Wolf's wrist blades? Oh, now the predalien has some balls. Too bad he doesn't have any brains since he once again just smacks him with his tail instead of just killing him...for the third time.
46. Wolf takes off all of his gear and the predalien just stands there and lets him do it. Aliens love a fair fight now?
47. During their fight the predalien manages to stab Wolf in the shoulder with his inner jaw. Why didn't he just stab him through his head like he did with...ahhh you get it by now.
48. The predalien manages to beat the crap out of wolf and instead of finally letting the aliens have a victory over him: wolf rips out the predalien's tongue and stabs him in the head, the predalien then stabs him with his tail. It's a draw. It has to be a draw, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the predator fans. ::)
49. The government decides to nuke the town just because one military unit was defeated. They have no information about the aliens that would justify them nuking a town. and to top it off: the government just did Wolf's job for him. So what purpose did Wolf have in this movie? They could have done this whole movie without him and nothing would change.
50. At least Paul W.S Anderson knew how to balance out the creatures so both of them had their moment in the spotlight.
51. at least Paul W.S Anderson Knew you can't have the aliens running around Any-town USA because that means the world would end.
52. Making the Aliens this weak is not only an insult to the aliens but the predators as well. Why would the Predators, a race of hunters who live for the challenge and thrill of the hunt, waste their time with a bunch of pathetic little insects? What bragging right would they have for hanging an alien skull on their wall? They might as well mount the skulls of kittens while their at it.
53. Aliens can all of a sudden barf embryos into people? I know the strause brothers said it was because the pred-alien was a queen or some stupid *beep* like that but I shouldn't have to look up the answer online. The movie should tell me why and it didn't.
So there you go, the whole movie is a perfectly woven tapestry of shit.
:laugh:
Fantastic.
QuoteAre Predators really this stupid?
Watch Predators and tell me they're not.
IRT Jigsaw85:
Hey, be fair! They did have the Predators reach Saturn before turning back in the Unrated Edition :P
@ jigsaw85, #15: who said any of those Predator's were Wolf's friend? He'd probably kill all the Predators too if he had too.
Everytime I see this question, I'm always tempted to write "Because it sucks." ;)
Although I do like some things about it. I admit it. But I did only say some. Just to clarify. ;D
It's indefensible trash.
Jigsaw, doing the lord's work. Honestly. The movie's just bad. I didn't like The Predator, but can't see how people put it worse than AVP:R. That's just a whole other level of trashy. I watch it every now and again when I do my own personal Predator/AVP marathon, but I do it more to complete the series rather than "enjoy it". Tasteless brutality and just awful writing.
Worst in the franchise imo for it's shit setting, characters, dialogue, pacing and plot.
I don't ever want to see Xenomorphs on present day Earth. AVP made it work but Requiem is just so shit. I don't give a single f*ck about this pizzas boy's high school life. I want all the characters to die and I guss in that sense it can be fun. There's some badass parts with Wolf battling Aliens and stuff but it can hardly be said to redeem the film.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 07, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
Everything you need to know:
1. The opening 20th century Fox logo is a rip off of Alien 3. The way the music fades out is almost the exact same way Alien 3 did it. Get used to this, you're going to notice a lot of these forced references.
2. The opening credits start and we see the credits are spelled out in a cheap, cliche' metal font and we hear the sound of motion trackers. Why? There are none in this movie, why are we hearing motion trackers? This movie hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed.
3. We see scar lying dead on his alter from the first AVP, except now everything is different. The interior of the ship is different and the ship is clearly heading in a completely different direction than it was at the end of the first movie. Continuity? What's that?
4. The Predators have facehuggers onboard their ship and not only that, we see a predator skinning a dead alien's head. Soooo...What was the point of the pyramid if you could just breed and hunt aliens onboard your own ship? In the first AVP, they made it seem like the Pyramid was their only means of doing their hunting ritual, that's why they returned every 100 years. But no, they could have done it anywhere and anytime. *beep* stupid.
5. The Predalien proves that he's an effective killing machine: he wastes no time killing two predators, just like any alien would. REMEMBER THAT!
6. The third predator on the ship opens fire on the predalien and like a complete moron continues to open fire thus causing the ship to crash. Are Predators really this stupid? No, it's just an excuse to get this story centered in Dawson's Creek....I mean Gunnison.
7. How long does it take for a predator ship to leave earth? We see the Predalien being born, we see him grow, we see that a predator has had enough time to breed, fight and kill an alien. So why is it that when the ship gets damaged they are still in earth's orbit? that thing should have been half way to Saturn by the time the first predator died. We're not even 5 minutes into this thing and the film already has the biggest plot holes in the series.
8. Why is it that when this huge, loud, crashing ship lands outside of Gunnison, no one sees it except for some father and son hunting team in the woods?
9. The surviving Predator is badly injured and lying on the floor, he's so hurt that he can't even get up and he notices the facehuggers are escaping. So instead of, you know, just blowing himself up like any predator would have done. He sends a distress signal instead. Why didn't he just blow himself up and save Wolf all the trouble? I've seen Predators blow themselves up for less.
10. The biggest and most glaring problem with this movie is WOLF. The fact that the Strause brothers thought it was a good idea to send one predator instead of a team shows how much they don't understand the alien series, the importance of tension, or the expectations of the common movie goer. In the alien series and even the first AVP movie, they made it absolutely clear that the aliens can never reach earth or they would spread and take over the world. "They mustn't reach the surface! They mustn't reach the surface!" At least Paul W.S Anderson understood the importance of keeping the aliens from reaching civilized land. This is everything Ripley feared and died to prevent and how do the Strause brothers treat the situation? Oh they just send a glorified predator janitor to clean up the mess. As if that's all the aliens are to the predators: a minor nuisance that can be taken care of by just one of them. The strause brothers just went up to Ridley Scott,James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Paul W.S Anderson and said; "Hey guys, you know that creature you all spent so much time trying to make scary and menacing? Well we're about to *beep* all over your efforts." If there is only one predator then there is no tension in the fights, we know he has to live until the end or else the movie couldn't justify its title. Of course, as we all know, the Strause brothers' justification for sending one predator is that Wolf is an ubber-dooper-super –dooper-mega-awesome-most-experienced-predator that ever lived.....ever. Too bad everything wolf does proves otherwise.
11. So after that *beep* is over, We get to meet our human characters. All 7 of them...in a movie that's only an hour and half.
We got an ex-con trying to reconnect with his younger brother.
-A Mother back from overseas trying to reconnect with her daughter.
-The jail bird's younger brother trying to get the attention of some hot chick.
-A mother looking for her husband and son.
-A sheriff trying to figure out why people are disappearing.
All of these subplots and characters are given little to no development because of the short running time and the fact that we have to cut away from all of these stories to see Wolf hunt aliens. They should have just stuck to one human story and developed it. Not juggle 5 at once.
12. The predalien and the facehuggers have managed to birth a few aliens and they look absolutely pathetic. What happened to the 8-foot-tall Giger beast that towered over everyone? Now a homeless woman is looking down on one like a dog. Wolf arrives on earth and crashes into a lake. He rises from the water just like the predator in the first movie. What a rip off.
13. It's at this point you realize something about the night time scenes in this movie. THEY ARE WAAAAYYY too Dark. Yeah, I know it's been said a million times but there is no excuse for this in a major motion picture.
14. Wolf runs through the woods and finds the crashed ship....I think, I can barely see anything.
15. He loads up his weapons....AFTER he lands on earth and finds his dead friends. Yeah, I'm sure that's what an expert cleaner would do: land in a potentially hostile environment, enter the crashed ship, search for his friends and THEN arm himself.
16. The Strause Brothers try so hard to make Wolf LOOK like a badass but never give him any badass things to do. It's like I can hear the strause brothers saying "you know how most predators only have one symbol on their masks? Well Wolf has like...50...yeah, and he sits in this huge throne, like a king and he's got like....two shoulder cannons. See how cool he is?" Wolf is the worst predator ever conceived just for the fact that he was made to please fan boys and not tell a story. I'll delve into that later.
17. Wolf blows up the ship and sets out on his mission....and nobody heard or saw this massive explosion just outside of town? Is everyone in Gunnison blind and deaf?
18. Wolf tracks down the dead bodies of the hunter and his son and uses some blue liquid to dissolve the bodies. So this is how Wolf is going to erase evidence? He's going to go place to place and just drop this *beep* everywhere? The funny thing Is, I didn't see any other vile of this stuff in his case. He only brought one vile? I guess, you don't ever see any others.
19. Wolf notices a cop spying on him and kills him. Why? He erased all the evidence of the aliens and dead bodies, so why would he care to kill this harmless cop? He didn't threaten him, he didn't do anything. Was it because he didn't want the humans to be alerted to his presence? No, that can't be it because later he skins the cop and hangs him up for the world to see.
20. Wolf finally tracks down the aliens in a sewer and it's here where we finally get to see Wolf's skill as a hunter. He walks cautiously through the sewer and....doesn't notice the alien casually hanging to his left. With his Alien vision, that thing should have been as easily spotted as headlights on a dark road. But that's ok because he keeps on going and...walks past another alien without noticing. Boy, Wolf really is aware of his surroundings...just like a true elite, right?...Right?
21. Why didn't those two aliens kill him? Oh right, because we can't have our one and only predator dying before the climax.
22. Wolf sets up some grid like laser nets and then screams out to the aliens to come and get him. Yeah, they'll only attack when Wolf is good and ready for a fight...good thing the aliens are such good sports.
23. He fights the aliens and it's painful to watch. ( If you can see anything at all that is) He tosses the aliens around like rag dolls and holds two of them up by their throats like they were nothing. Are these the 8-foot-tall perfect organisms from the original alien series? Are these the ultimate Prey from the first AVP movie? No, they're 4 foot tall pussies who can't even get out of the grip of the predator's hand. And before you bring up the whole "experienced elder" get out of jail card: Keep in mind that grabbing someone by the throat takes no skill or experience at all. I can grab a cat by the neck and he'd scratch the living hell out of my arm. What do these aliens do? Nothing, they don't scratch him with their claws, they don't stab him with their tails or spit acid in his face or just you know, simply over power him.
24. And since Wolf Is such an expert at killing aliens, he's going to do the most logical execution move on these aliens...He's going to shoot them at pointblank range. Yeah, because that's what you want to do to a creature with acid for blood.
25. The predalien shows up and smacks wolf with his tail. Why didn't he just kill him like he did with all the other predators at the beginning of the movie? Oh right, we can't have our only Predator die too early.
26. The aliens leave the sewers and wolf follows them and because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself, he uses his Nintendo power glove to blow a giant hole in the middle of the street and rises out of the hole uncloaked. He's quite the expert isn't he?
27. While Wolf follows a single alien to a power plant. The predalien and his crew invade a restaurant and impregnate a waitress with like 5 or 6 new aliens: more than making up for the two wolf killed in the sewer. So far, Wolf hasn't made a stitch of progress in his mission to wipe out the aliens.
28. By the way, you're probably wondering why I'm not mentioning any of the human characters. Well like I said, they're so
underdeveloped they aren't worth mentioning.
29. Wolf tracks an alien to a power plant and you won't believe this: an Alien actually gets the better of him. He surprise attacks him and shoves him over a railing and impales him on a metal pipe. Yeah, gravity and a conveniently placed pipe did the real damage, god forbid we actually let the aliens get some real hits off Wolf. So after inflicting damage on wolf, what does the alien do? Nothing, he just goes for a casual stroll somewhere. Isn't he going to finish the job? Did he get bored or something? I also love how he slowly walks away even with wolf shooting at him. Thank god a bunch of metal was blocking his shots otherwise that alien would have died.
30. After Wolf causes a blackout, the aliens begin taking over the town. There's an alien at a school who just killed some kid. Wolf shows up and kills him. Why did wolf come here? How did he know there was an alien in this school? Why this alien? Doesn't he know the Predalien is his primary target? While he's wasting his time killing all these aliens one by one, the predalien is giving birth to like 50 more.
31. Wolf hides in a tree to heal his wound from the power plant. You'll notice a huge trail of green blood going up the tree, he's bleeding like crazy and yet he chooses NOW to heal his wound. Not before he made his pointless trip from the power plant to the school...nope, now is the time. Damn Wolf really knows what he's doing, huh?
32. Wolf's healing scene is retarded. He got pierced with a thick pipe, he's bleeding like crazy and how does he heal himself? He sticks a small metal staple in his wound, that's it. He doesn't stitch himself up like the predator from the first movie or burn the wound like the one from predator 2 did. He just sticks a small...thing in his wound and is good to go. Never mind the fact that he should still be bleeding from both the front AND the back.
33. So after that, he looks to his side and sees....traffic. He then rises into a badass pose as if he's going to do something about it. What the *beep* is he going to do? Direct traffic? What was the motivation for that scene?
34. Wolf finds some humans in a department store. He uses them as bait to lure some aliens. Even though the aliens were already breaking into the store to begin with.
35. Once again, the aliens embarrass themselves by trying to attack wolf. He shrugs them off like nothing as expected. No tension, no suspense, no fun.
36. Later we see the dead aliens lying on the floor. Apparently wolf doesn't give a *beep* about erasing evidence anymore.
37. Wolf throws away his broken shoulder cannon and leaves it on the roof. Apparently, he also doesn't care about leaving his tech around either. He also left his laser grids in the sewers. Something Humans would have easily found after he left a giant hole in the middle of the street.
38. Wolf notices that the aliens have taken over a hospital....and pretty much the whole town. Wolf has failed at his mission. So what exactly was the point of sending one Predator to stop an alien outbreak? I thought wolf was supposed to be god among predators: the best of the best; the ultimate elite badass? I guess not, he's just an incompetent moron whose only purpose is to make predator fanboys wet themselves.
39. Wolf goes to the hospital and like a true predator, he quietly sneaks in through a window....nah, I'm kidding, he breaks through the front door and makes as much noise as possible.
40. Wolf walks through the hospital and once again the Predalien gets the drop on him and instead of killing him, smacks him with his tail...again.
41. the Predalien is a pussy who backs off from a little scratch from Wolf's wrist blades and would rather let one of his worthless drones attack Wolf. Something he knew was pointless because he had to save two of them earlier in the movie.
42. Wolf stabs the alien and doesn't get any acid blood on him. He then shoots it at pointblank range and STILL doesn't get any acid blood on him. The Aliens once again prove to be weak, stupid, and worthless. Except for that one part where they took out an entire military unit in under a minute. Yeah OK, they can work together to take out an entire military unit but not a single predator? A stupid Predator who just walks around announcing his presence to the world?
43. Wolf kills some guy's girlfriend. And the guy unloads a machine gun at him and not one bullet makes contact with his skin. His armor only covers 30% of his body and not a single bullet or drop of acid blood touches his skin. GOD THIS MOVIE SUCKS!
44. Wolf finally goes one on one with the predalien but not before giving one final insult to one of cinema's greatest monsters. He slices an alien in half and as if to add insult to injury he walks over and crushes his head like a beer can.
45. Wolf fights the predalien and stabs it with his spear and the predalien responds by punching him in the face. Whatever happened to the pussy who backed off from Wolf's wrist blades? Oh, now the predalien has some balls. Too bad he doesn't have any brains since he once again just smacks him with his tail instead of just killing him...for the third time.
46. Wolf takes off all of his gear and the predalien just stands there and lets him do it. Aliens love a fair fight now?
47. During their fight the predalien manages to stab Wolf in the shoulder with his inner jaw. Why didn't he just stab him through his head like he did with...ahhh you get it by now.
48. The predalien manages to beat the crap out of wolf and instead of finally letting the aliens have a victory over him: wolf rips out the predalien's tongue and stabs him in the head, the predalien then stabs him with his tail. It's a draw. It has to be a draw, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the predator fans. ::)
49. The government decides to nuke the town just because one military unit was defeated. They have no information about the aliens that would justify them nuking a town. and to top it off: the government just did Wolf's job for him. So what purpose did Wolf have in this movie? They could have done this whole movie without him and nothing would change.
50. At least Paul W.S Anderson knew how to balance out the creatures so both of them had their moment in the spotlight.
51. at least Paul W.S Anderson Knew you can't have the aliens running around Any-town USA because that means the world would end.
52. Making the Aliens this weak is not only an insult to the aliens but the predators as well. Why would the Predators, a race of hunters who live for the challenge and thrill of the hunt, waste their time with a bunch of pathetic little insects? What bragging right would they have for hanging an alien skull on their wall? They might as well mount the skulls of kittens while their at it.
53. Aliens can all of a sudden barf embryos into people? I know the strause brothers said it was because the pred-alien was a queen or some stupid *beep* like that but I shouldn't have to look up the answer online. The movie should tell me why and it didn't.
So there you go, the whole movie is a perfectly woven tapestry of shit.
Ok, but
other than that....
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 07, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
Everything you need to know:
1. The opening 20th century Fox logo is a rip off of Alien 3. The way the music fades out is almost the exact same way Alien 3 did it. Get used to this, you're going to notice a lot of these forced references.
2. The opening credits start and we see the credits are spelled out in a cheap, cliche' metal font and we hear the sound of motion trackers. Why? There are none in this movie, why are we hearing motion trackers? This movie hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed.
3. We see scar lying dead on his alter from the first AVP, except now everything is different. The interior of the ship is different and the ship is clearly heading in a completely different direction than it was at the end of the first movie. Continuity? What's that?
4. The Predators have facehuggers onboard their ship and not only that, we see a predator skinning a dead alien's head. Soooo...What was the point of the pyramid if you could just breed and hunt aliens onboard your own ship? In the first AVP, they made it seem like the Pyramid was their only means of doing their hunting ritual, that's why they returned every 100 years. But no, they could have done it anywhere and anytime. *beep* stupid.
5. The Predalien proves that he's an effective killing machine: he wastes no time killing two predators, just like any alien would. REMEMBER THAT!
6. The third predator on the ship opens fire on the predalien and like a complete moron continues to open fire thus causing the ship to crash. Are Predators really this stupid? No, it's just an excuse to get this story centered in Dawson's Creek....I mean Gunnison.
7. How long does it take for a predator ship to leave earth? We see the Predalien being born, we see him grow, we see that a predator has had enough time to breed, fight and kill an alien. So why is it that when the ship gets damaged they are still in earth's orbit? that thing should have been half way to Saturn by the time the first predator died. We're not even 5 minutes into this thing and the film already has the biggest plot holes in the series.
8. Why is it that when this huge, loud, crashing ship lands outside of Gunnison, no one sees it except for some father and son hunting team in the woods?
9. The surviving Predator is badly injured and lying on the floor, he's so hurt that he can't even get up and he notices the facehuggers are escaping. So instead of, you know, just blowing himself up like any predator would have done. He sends a distress signal instead. Why didn't he just blow himself up and save Wolf all the trouble? I've seen Predators blow themselves up for less.
10. The biggest and most glaring problem with this movie is WOLF. The fact that the Strause brothers thought it was a good idea to send one predator instead of a team shows how much they don't understand the alien series, the importance of tension, or the expectations of the common movie goer. In the alien series and even the first AVP movie, they made it absolutely clear that the aliens can never reach earth or they would spread and take over the world. "They mustn't reach the surface! They mustn't reach the surface!" At least Paul W.S Anderson understood the importance of keeping the aliens from reaching civilized land. This is everything Ripley feared and died to prevent and how do the Strause brothers treat the situation? Oh they just send a glorified predator janitor to clean up the mess. As if that's all the aliens are to the predators: a minor nuisance that can be taken care of by just one of them. The strause brothers just went up to Ridley Scott,James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Paul W.S Anderson and said; "Hey guys, you know that creature you all spent so much time trying to make scary and menacing? Well we're about to *beep* all over your efforts." If there is only one predator then there is no tension in the fights, we know he has to live until the end or else the movie couldn't justify its title. Of course, as we all know, the Strause brothers' justification for sending one predator is that Wolf is an ubber-dooper-super –dooper-mega-awesome-most-experienced-predator that ever lived.....ever. Too bad everything wolf does proves otherwise.
11. So after that *beep* is over, We get to meet our human characters. All 7 of them...in a movie that's only an hour and half.
We got an ex-con trying to reconnect with his younger brother.
-A Mother back from overseas trying to reconnect with her daughter.
-The jail bird's younger brother trying to get the attention of some hot chick.
-A mother looking for her husband and son.
-A sheriff trying to figure out why people are disappearing.
All of these subplots and characters are given little to no development because of the short running time and the fact that we have to cut away from all of these stories to see Wolf hunt aliens. They should have just stuck to one human story and developed it. Not juggle 5 at once.
12. The predalien and the facehuggers have managed to birth a few aliens and they look absolutely pathetic. What happened to the 8-foot-tall Giger beast that towered over everyone? Now a homeless woman is looking down on one like a dog. Wolf arrives on earth and crashes into a lake. He rises from the water just like the predator in the first movie. What a rip off.
13. It's at this point you realize something about the night time scenes in this movie. THEY ARE WAAAAYYY too Dark. Yeah, I know it's been said a million times but there is no excuse for this in a major motion picture.
14. Wolf runs through the woods and finds the crashed ship....I think, I can barely see anything.
15. He loads up his weapons....AFTER he lands on earth and finds his dead friends. Yeah, I'm sure that's what an expert cleaner would do: land in a potentially hostile environment, enter the crashed ship, search for his friends and THEN arm himself.
16. The Strause Brothers try so hard to make Wolf LOOK like a badass but never give him any badass things to do. It's like I can hear the strause brothers saying "you know how most predators only have one symbol on their masks? Well Wolf has like...50...yeah, and he sits in this huge throne, like a king and he's got like....two shoulder cannons. See how cool he is?" Wolf is the worst predator ever conceived just for the fact that he was made to please fan boys and not tell a story. I'll delve into that later.
17. Wolf blows up the ship and sets out on his mission....and nobody heard or saw this massive explosion just outside of town? Is everyone in Gunnison blind and deaf?
18. Wolf tracks down the dead bodies of the hunter and his son and uses some blue liquid to dissolve the bodies. So this is how Wolf is going to erase evidence? He's going to go place to place and just drop this *beep* everywhere? The funny thing Is, I didn't see any other vile of this stuff in his case. He only brought one vile? I guess, you don't ever see any others.
19. Wolf notices a cop spying on him and kills him. Why? He erased all the evidence of the aliens and dead bodies, so why would he care to kill this harmless cop? He didn't threaten him, he didn't do anything. Was it because he didn't want the humans to be alerted to his presence? No, that can't be it because later he skins the cop and hangs him up for the world to see.
20. Wolf finally tracks down the aliens in a sewer and it's here where we finally get to see Wolf's skill as a hunter. He walks cautiously through the sewer and....doesn't notice the alien casually hanging to his left. With his Alien vision, that thing should have been as easily spotted as headlights on a dark road. But that's ok because he keeps on going and...walks past another alien without noticing. Boy, Wolf really is aware of his surroundings...just like a true elite, right?...Right?
21. Why didn't those two aliens kill him? Oh right, because we can't have our one and only predator dying before the climax.
22. Wolf sets up some grid like laser nets and then screams out to the aliens to come and get him. Yeah, they'll only attack when Wolf is good and ready for a fight...good thing the aliens are such good sports.
23. He fights the aliens and it's painful to watch. ( If you can see anything at all that is) He tosses the aliens around like rag dolls and holds two of them up by their throats like they were nothing. Are these the 8-foot-tall perfect organisms from the original alien series? Are these the ultimate Prey from the first AVP movie? No, they're 4 foot tall pussies who can't even get out of the grip of the predator's hand. And before you bring up the whole "experienced elder" get out of jail card: Keep in mind that grabbing someone by the throat takes no skill or experience at all. I can grab a cat by the neck and he'd scratch the living hell out of my arm. What do these aliens do? Nothing, they don't scratch him with their claws, they don't stab him with their tails or spit acid in his face or just you know, simply over power him.
24. And since Wolf Is such an expert at killing aliens, he's going to do the most logical execution move on these aliens...He's going to shoot them at pointblank range. Yeah, because that's what you want to do to a creature with acid for blood.
25. The predalien shows up and smacks wolf with his tail. Why didn't he just kill him like he did with all the other predators at the beginning of the movie? Oh right, we can't have our only Predator die too early.
26. The aliens leave the sewers and wolf follows them and because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself, he uses his Nintendo power glove to blow a giant hole in the middle of the street and rises out of the hole uncloaked. He's quite the expert isn't he?
27. While Wolf follows a single alien to a power plant. The predalien and his crew invade a restaurant and impregnate a waitress with like 5 or 6 new aliens: more than making up for the two wolf killed in the sewer. So far, Wolf hasn't made a stitch of progress in his mission to wipe out the aliens.
28. By the way, you're probably wondering why I'm not mentioning any of the human characters. Well like I said, they're so
underdeveloped they aren't worth mentioning.
29. Wolf tracks an alien to a power plant and you won't believe this: an Alien actually gets the better of him. He surprise attacks him and shoves him over a railing and impales him on a metal pipe. Yeah, gravity and a conveniently placed pipe did the real damage, god forbid we actually let the aliens get some real hits off Wolf. So after inflicting damage on wolf, what does the alien do? Nothing, he just goes for a casual stroll somewhere. Isn't he going to finish the job? Did he get bored or something? I also love how he slowly walks away even with wolf shooting at him. Thank god a bunch of metal was blocking his shots otherwise that alien would have died.
30. After Wolf causes a blackout, the aliens begin taking over the town. There's an alien at a school who just killed some kid. Wolf shows up and kills him. Why did wolf come here? How did he know there was an alien in this school? Why this alien? Doesn't he know the Predalien is his primary target? While he's wasting his time killing all these aliens one by one, the predalien is giving birth to like 50 more.
31. Wolf hides in a tree to heal his wound from the power plant. You'll notice a huge trail of green blood going up the tree, he's bleeding like crazy and yet he chooses NOW to heal his wound. Not before he made his pointless trip from the power plant to the school...nope, now is the time. Damn Wolf really knows what he's doing, huh?
32. Wolf's healing scene is retarded. He got pierced with a thick pipe, he's bleeding like crazy and how does he heal himself? He sticks a small metal staple in his wound, that's it. He doesn't stitch himself up like the predator from the first movie or burn the wound like the one from predator 2 did. He just sticks a small...thing in his wound and is good to go. Never mind the fact that he should still be bleeding from both the front AND the back.
33. So after that, he looks to his side and sees....traffic. He then rises into a badass pose as if he's going to do something about it. What the *beep* is he going to do? Direct traffic? What was the motivation for that scene?
34. Wolf finds some humans in a department store. He uses them as bait to lure some aliens. Even though the aliens were already breaking into the store to begin with.
35. Once again, the aliens embarrass themselves by trying to attack wolf. He shrugs them off like nothing as expected. No tension, no suspense, no fun.
36. Later we see the dead aliens lying on the floor. Apparently wolf doesn't give a *beep* about erasing evidence anymore.
37. Wolf throws away his broken shoulder cannon and leaves it on the roof. Apparently, he also doesn't care about leaving his tech around either. He also left his laser grids in the sewers. Something Humans would have easily found after he left a giant hole in the middle of the street.
38. Wolf notices that the aliens have taken over a hospital....and pretty much the whole town. Wolf has failed at his mission. So what exactly was the point of sending one Predator to stop an alien outbreak? I thought wolf was supposed to be god among predators: the best of the best; the ultimate elite badass? I guess not, he's just an incompetent moron whose only purpose is to make predator fanboys wet themselves.
39. Wolf goes to the hospital and like a true predator, he quietly sneaks in through a window....nah, I'm kidding, he breaks through the front door and makes as much noise as possible.
40. Wolf walks through the hospital and once again the Predalien gets the drop on him and instead of killing him, smacks him with his tail...again.
41. the Predalien is a pussy who backs off from a little scratch from Wolf's wrist blades and would rather let one of his worthless drones attack Wolf. Something he knew was pointless because he had to save two of them earlier in the movie.
42. Wolf stabs the alien and doesn't get any acid blood on him. He then shoots it at pointblank range and STILL doesn't get any acid blood on him. The Aliens once again prove to be weak, stupid, and worthless. Except for that one part where they took out an entire military unit in under a minute. Yeah OK, they can work together to take out an entire military unit but not a single predator? A stupid Predator who just walks around announcing his presence to the world?
43. Wolf kills some guy's girlfriend. And the guy unloads a machine gun at him and not one bullet makes contact with his skin. His armor only covers 30% of his body and not a single bullet or drop of acid blood touches his skin. GOD THIS MOVIE SUCKS!
44. Wolf finally goes one on one with the predalien but not before giving one final insult to one of cinema's greatest monsters. He slices an alien in half and as if to add insult to injury he walks over and crushes his head like a beer can.
45. Wolf fights the predalien and stabs it with his spear and the predalien responds by punching him in the face. Whatever happened to the pussy who backed off from Wolf's wrist blades? Oh, now the predalien has some balls. Too bad he doesn't have any brains since he once again just smacks him with his tail instead of just killing him...for the third time.
46. Wolf takes off all of his gear and the predalien just stands there and lets him do it. Aliens love a fair fight now?
47. During their fight the predalien manages to stab Wolf in the shoulder with his inner jaw. Why didn't he just stab him through his head like he did with...ahhh you get it by now.
48. The predalien manages to beat the crap out of wolf and instead of finally letting the aliens have a victory over him: wolf rips out the predalien's tongue and stabs him in the head, the predalien then stabs him with his tail. It's a draw. It has to be a draw, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the predator fans. ::)
49. The government decides to nuke the town just because one military unit was defeated. They have no information about the aliens that would justify them nuking a town. and to top it off: the government just did Wolf's job for him. So what purpose did Wolf have in this movie? They could have done this whole movie without him and nothing would change.
50. At least Paul W.S Anderson knew how to balance out the creatures so both of them had their moment in the spotlight.
51. at least Paul W.S Anderson Knew you can't have the aliens running around Any-town USA because that means the world would end.
52. Making the Aliens this weak is not only an insult to the aliens but the predators as well. Why would the Predators, a race of hunters who live for the challenge and thrill of the hunt, waste their time with a bunch of pathetic little insects? What bragging right would they have for hanging an alien skull on their wall? They might as well mount the skulls of kittens while their at it.
53. Aliens can all of a sudden barf embryos into people? I know the strause brothers said it was because the pred-alien was a queen or some stupid *beep* like that but I shouldn't have to look up the answer online. The movie should tell me why and it didn't.
So there you go, the whole movie is a perfectly woven tapestry of shit.
Well done, though I am sure there is a few more issues that can go on to that list. Dialogue for example, yes I know you didn't want to mention the crappy humans but the dialogue of them is bad enough that it is worth putting it on the list. "The government doesn't lie to people" or" People are dying, we need guns"
My favorite line was "Nice outfit, isn't Halloween in October?" When the whole film is set right after AVP which took place on October 10th, 2004. The incompetence of this movie is mind blowing. :laugh:
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 08, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
My favorite line was "Nice outfit, isn't Halloween in October?" When the whole film is set right after AVP which took place on October 10th, 2004. The incompetence of this movie is mind blowing. :laugh:
Haha I noticed that when I seen it in theaters it's crazy how no one on the production team nor the brothers noticed that.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 08, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
"The government doesn't lie to people" or" People are dying, we need guns"
I think Colin said here that those lines were suppose to be a joke, it was suppose to make people laugh. Having funny lines is one thing, cringe and stupid is another. Those might have been added by the directors.
Colin said "People are dying, we need guns" didn't sound stupid when they filmed it.
Sounds like he was defending it to the bitter end, despite getting tons of feedback from multiple people actually invested in the series.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 08, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
My favorite line was "Nice outfit, isn't Halloween in October?" When the whole film is set right after AVP which took place on October 10th, 2004. The incompetence of this movie is mind blowing. :laugh:
Be honest. Did you spot that yourself or did Decker Shado's YouTube review raise this hilarious goof.
Either way best AVP-R review on YouTube well worth a watch.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 08, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 08, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
"The government doesn't lie to people" or" People are dying, we need guns"
I think Colin said here that those lines were suppose to be a joke, it was suppose to make people laugh. Having funny lines is one thing, cringe and stupid is another. Those might have been added by the directors.
The character who said the "government" line was the worst actor in the movie period. Irritating and unnecessary.
I got to admit though the "people are dying, we need guns" line, I don't see the controversy. The character could've said "Enough people have died already, we need guns to defend ourselves" and it would have the same logical meaning.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 09, 2018, 06:17:31 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 08, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
My favorite line was "Nice outfit, isn't Halloween in October?" When the whole film is set right after AVP which took place on October 10th, 2004. The incompetence of this movie is mind blowing. :laugh:
Be honest. Did you spot that yourself or did Decker Shado's YouTube review raise this hilarious goof.
Either way best AVP-R review on YouTube well worth
I singled out that line waaaay back in the day when IMDB still had message boards.
I singled out that line waaaay back in the day when IMDB still had message boards.
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Well ironically the line from AVP didn't make sense either in its clumsy attempt marry up civilization history with Aztec mythology, by saying the Aztec' used the metric system- which they didn't (as highlighted by LittleJimmy) :laugh:
So either way they didn't have Halloween in October.
lol
Made me giggle really loudly! ;D
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 10, 2018, 09:12:44 AM
I singled out that line waaaay back in the day when IMDB still had message boards.
Well ironically the line from AVP didn't make sense either in its clumsy attempt marry up civilization history with Aztec mythology, by saying the Aztec' used the metric system- which they didn't (as highlighted by LittleJimmy) :laugh:
So either way they didn't have Halloween in October.
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There's just so much wrong with that review. Predators trick humans into believing that they are their gods in order to use them to breed aliens and he calls them big teddy bears. Just no.
The entire video series is fallacious.
I always liked the idea of Xenos on earth..until this movie!
Quote from: iain on Oct 12, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
I always liked the idea of Xenos on earth..until this movie!
Agreed when I read Earth War as a kid, my imagination went wild. I wondered what it would be like to have Xenos everywhere
Apples and oranges. Anderson couldn't have Aliens taking over the world like the comics did because he was making something that was supposed to be a prequel to Alien. And it was too expensive.
Quote from: burkewhimp on Oct 14, 2018, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: iain on Oct 12, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
I always liked the idea of Xenos on earth..until this movie!
Agreed when I read Earth War as a kid, my imagination went wild. I wondered what it would be like to have Xenos everywhere
How did you like the art?
Quote from: burkewhimp on Oct 14, 2018, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: iain on Oct 12, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
I always liked the idea of Xenos on earth..until this movie!
Agreed when I read Earth War as a kid, my imagination went wild. I wondered what it would be like to have Xenos everywhere
The same, though for me it was the novel. That whole portion where the war is going down the tubes and they're trying to break into that one guys office before he offs himself was incredibly tense. To think of xenomorphs swarming over the earth and taking everyone was beyond anything I'd ever experienced in the series at that point.
Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2018, 11:11:02 PM
Apples and oranges. Anderson couldn't have Aliens taking over the world like the comics did because he was making something that was supposed to be a prequel to Alien. And it was too expensive.
While I know we get the aftermath in Aliens, it'd be cool to see a colony world actually fall.
Historical/Biblical immense Epic.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 12:01:52 PM
Historical/Biblical immense Epic.
Hahahaha....
Well, I hate AVP: Requiem because it's the cheapest of all Alien movies. It looks like a DTV movie filmed in Bulgaria with JCVD money. LMAO.
Agreed.
Thread should be renamed to "Why does everybody secretly love AVP: Requiem so much." That would really get the blood flowing.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2018, 02:34:55 AM
That would really get the blood flowing.
For some, it would stop completely. ;D
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 16, 2018, 01:09:47 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 12:01:52 PM
Historical/Biblical immense Epic.
Hahahaha....
Well, I hate AVP: Requiem because it's the cheapest of all Alien movies. It looks like a DTV movie filmed in Bulgaria with JCVD money. LMAO.
Shit no,
Universal Soldier: Regeneration looks like a $100 million compared to AvPR.
:laugh: True.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2018, 02:54:28 AMShit no, Universal Soldier: Regeneration looks like a $100 million compared to AvPR.
Digression aside, Universal Soldier is another franchise Hollywood let by the wayside.
Universal Soldier (1992) Directed by Roland Emmerich, is a vastly under-rated early 90s action film.
Universal Soldier- Regeneration (2009) Directed by Peter Hyams son John Hyams is a superb, gritty follow-up. Although you can clearly see JCVD's limited martial art range was glorified ballet dancing compared to Andrei 'The Pitbull' Arlovski more practical mixed-martial arts cage fighting style.
But if you thought AVP-R was mean spirited in its treatment of women; check out this scene from the follow-up "US-Day of Reckoning" (***FLASHING IMAGES*** NSFW, nudity, violence and rape).
Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2018, 02:54:28 AM
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 16, 2018, 01:09:47 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 12:01:52 PM
Historical/Biblical immense Epic.
Hahahaha....
Well, I hate AVP: Requiem because it's the cheapest of all Alien movies. It looks like a DTV movie filmed in Bulgaria with JCVD money. LMAO.
Shit no, Universal Soldier: Regeneration looks like a $100 million compared to AvPR.
True.
More like a Steven Seagal DTV then.
I think there are many reasons to dislike the movie.
It had a small budget and it shows. Many disliked the earth setting and for good reason. It just does not feel right.
Some new additions to the lore were more than questionable. For example the predalien chestburster barfing.
The movie was too dark.
The human element of the story was a drag.
The fights, the titular alien vs predator, were more than underwhelming.
The cleaner angle just does not work for me. It just makes no sense that you have a predator running through town, trying to drop his desolving liquid on every trace of the aliens while the whole infestation is spreading...before the humans realize what is happening. How in god's name should that ever work ?
There was only one predator, so the outcome of every battle besides the big final one was never in any doubt.
The aliens... i have no problem seeing a skilled predator dispach aliens but the way they did it in the movie was horrible. There is just no sense of threat from them after the first encounter in the sewers. You feel the aliens just forget they have limbs and a tail whenever they are in melee with the predator and take their sweet time waiting until he finishes them.
It's just not a good movie. I really struggle to see how anybody could see it differently. Sure if you like the movie, by all means enjoy it. I just can not understand why. Even if you just want to see the predator kick ass in a cheap B-movie i can not understand how what you got satisfies you. Would you not like to see an actual fight with a worthy opponent? The fight scenes in the movie don't elevate the supposed elite predator, it makes him look lucky that he was up against such wimpy opponents. The alien in the first AVP and the supposed inexperienced predators from that movie looked like they could beat the shit out of the Requiem predator in comparison.
Indeed.
How do you love a movie that you can't see? the lighting was the biggest problem of this film. had it been a lot better, the movie could at least have enjoyable predator and alien action in it. I don't know why fox can't go back and restore the movie with better lighting and release a new blurry with the new lighting? yes it will still be a bad film overall to most people but if the lighting was fixed, we can at least enjoy the creature carnage in it. but as it is, you cant see shit at all
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Nov 02, 2018, 01:49:08 AM
How do you love a movie that you can't see? the lighting was the biggest problem of this film. had it been a lot better, the movie could at least have enjoyable predator and alien action in it. I don't know why fox can't go back and restore the movie with better lighting and release a new blurry with the new lighting? yes it will still be a bad film overall to most people but if the lighting was fixed, we can at least enjoy the creature carnage in it. but as it is, you cant see shit at all
The lighting was not the biggest problem by far, there was plenty worse than it.
And what action and creature carnage? floppy dumb creatures that look similar to xenomorphs getting killed without a fight by an incompetent predator?
The bad lighting helped cover the worst things about the movie. Which is why it is almost entirely too dark in every frame.
So in a sense, the lighting was the biggest asset to the film... :laugh:
I think it was the colour grading that caused issues, rather than the lighting.
To the main topic: Putting AVPR's narrative and lighting problems asside, in my opinion I believe Wolf offers a great deal of tasty morsels for Predator fans which, in itself, is very fun to watch.
However, unless one has warmed to the Predalien, this movie hardly has anything to offer for Alien fans, which understandably generates a lot of ill will from that side of the community.
Wolf was highly incompetent though, so while he may look cool and is only the least of the problems of that movies, he is rubbish as well
You can tell by Wolf's burned face and blind eye, he hasn't always made the best decisions... ;D ...however in this big, dumb monster movie, calling him highly incompetent is overstating it in my opinion , i.e. excessive scrutinization for what it is. All in all, I still have fun with him.
His job was to wipe out all trace of the Aliens and singularly failed.
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2018, 07:18:46 PM
His job was to wipe out all trace of the Aliens and singularly failed.
The predalien escaping above ground and unleashing hordes of aliens upon Gunnison led to the whole town getting nuked, and consequently, wiped out all traces of the infestation. ;D
Perhaps they really did know what they were doing when they sent Wolf. Maybe he was not their ultimate badass. Maybe he was the Ernest P. Worrell of planet predator.
"Send Ernie. The Oomans will have to destroy everything"
I also always felt like it was very possible one or more aliens simply wandered off, subsequently leaving the blast zone before the bomb was dropped.
So maybe there are still a few critters lurking around down there.
I guess that bit always bothered me. Since there were really no boundaries to keep the Aliens contained, nobody knows for sure if some decided to go their own direction.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Nov 09, 2018, 05:10:19 AM
I also always felt like it was very possible one or more aliens simply wandered off, subsequently leaving the blast zone before the bomb was dropped.
So maybe there are still a few critters lurking around down there.
I guess that bit always bothered me. Since there were really no boundaries to keep the Aliens contained, nobody knows for sure if some decided to go their own direction.
I always felt the same way, and have said it on here before. I don't think the nuke could get them all. Even if it was just somebody infected who managed to drive away. But that particular storyline is over. If there is ever another AVP, I don't think it will follow the original two. So any escaping xenos are of no consequence, most likely.
The Aliens are going to be wear the meat is - the hospital and Gilliam Circle. Even if they were nabbing animals in the woods - they're going to bring them back to the hive.
I honestly just didn't care, nor did I take issues with those scenes. Gruesome, absolutely, but all very much gigeresque and arguably some of the better parts of the film when it comes to acting and shock factor. The rest of the film is just so damn bland that it numbs.
The film is what happens if you let fanboys toy around with a beloved franchise.
Skyline was a bit of the same: interesting concept, piss poor execution.
What bothers me is that after AvP-R Fox said that the script Black wrote was OK enough. People blame it all on Black, but it is as much on Fred Dekker and whoever in charge at Fox greenlighting this.
AVPR has much better concepts than The Predator but the execution is so shit, that The Predator remains the superior film in my opinion.
Out of the not-so-respected films in the franchise (compared to Alien, Aliens and Predator) I'd rank them best to worst for my personal enjoyment value like this:
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Predators
Alien Covenant
AVP
Prometheus
Predator 2
The Predator
AVPR
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 09, 2019, 05:43:26 AMI'd rank them best to worst for my personal enjoyment value like this:
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Predators
Alien Covenant
AVP
Prometheus
Predator 2. <====== >:(
The Predator
AVPR
For that,
Voodoo Magic has you now in his sights.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 09, 2019, 05:43:26 AMI'd rank them best to worst for my personal enjoyment value like this:
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Predators
Alien Covenant
AVP
Prometheus
Predator 2. <====== >:(
The Predator
AVPR
For that, Voodoo Magic has you now in his sights.
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I called this when I read that post earlier, but I chose not to say anything. Just because.
Predator 2 is still levels above The Predator and AVPR
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
I called this when I read that post earlier, but I chose not to say anything. Just because.
You know me oh too well! ;D
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 09, 2019, 03:04:51 PM
Predator 2 is still levels above The Predator and AVPR
And is that supposed to make it all better?
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
I called this when I read that post earlier, but I chose not to say anything. Just because.
You know me oh too well! ;D
It's a unique ability called "I'm covering up the fact that I haven't seen Terminator yet by being really nice."
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
I called this when I read that post earlier, but I chose not to say anything. Just because.
You know me oh too well! ;D
It's a unique ability called "I'm covering up the fact that I haven't seen Terminator yet by being really nice."
Watch it already!!! Or I will annoyingly poke you in the face with my finger until you do! ;D
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You do really need to watch The Terminator and Terminator 2. Same tier as Alien, Aliens and Predator.
True dat.
But stop after Terminator 2. After T2 there are only variant degrees of disappointment.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 09, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
True dat.
But stop after Terminator 2. After T2 there are only variant degrees of disappointment.
Hmm... sounds familiar :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 09, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
True dat.
But stop after Terminator 2. After T2 there are only variant degrees of disappointment.
Hmm... sounds familiar :laugh:
Is there any franchise where the third+ entry actually is better than the first two? There has to be some kind of exception somewhere.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 05:49:00 PM
Sounds familiar... :laugh:
Yeah... Predator.
@The Kurgan
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
Die Hard with a Vengeance.
The Good The Bad and the Ugly.
Hopefully; the final Alien prequel.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 09, 2019, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 09, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
True dat.
But stop after Terminator 2. After T2 there are only variant degrees of disappointment.
Hmm... sounds familiar :laugh:
Is there any franchise where the third+ entry actually is better than the first two? There has to be some kind of exception somewhere.
Just thinking off the cuff here, and opinions will vary... and these don't all match my opinions...
LOTR Return of the King
Star Trek IV The Voyage Home
Mad Max Fury Road
Toy Story 3
Avengers Infinity War
Nightmare on Elm Street 3 Dream Warriors
Die Hard with a Vengeance
Captain America: Civil War
Harry Potter, yes.
Also . . .
Spoiler
Is Michael Biehn in T2?
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 05:49:00 PM
Sounds familiar... :laugh:
Yeah... Predator.
@The Kurgan
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
Die Hard with a Vengeance.
The Good The Bad and the Ugly.
Hopefully; the final Alien prequel.
*spit take*
You mean DHWaV is better than DH2, right? Because that's a given.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
Harry Potter, yes.
Also . . .
Spoiler
Is Michael Biehn in T2?
Spoiler
There's a deleted scene with him, reinserted into the extended special edition.
Does Revenge of the Sith count?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
Harry Potter, yes.
True!
Quote
Spoiler
Is Michael Biehn in T2?
Spoiler
In the "Special Edition" Director's cut, yes.
Quote from: Hudson on Jan 09, 2019, 06:12:25 PM
Yeah... Predator.
Yep, Predator & Alien for sure. That's why it sounds familiar :P
QuoteYou mean DHWaV is better than DH2, right? Because that's a given.
I've heard people prefer 3 over 2 and even over the original, yes. But for me... It's Die Hard at #1... and yes, Die Hard 2: Die Harder is my #2 favorite. I admit that with no shame. ;D
Die Hard 2 is pretty boring. What I remember from WaV is the "I HATE N*****S" sign, and then some really dated effects when they're driving those dump trucks away from a giant surge of water.
Three Colours: Red
Skyfall
Thor Ragnarok
Star Trek Beyond
Spoiler
I thought we were doing third films only?
If not I'd have added a lot more.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
Thor Ragnarok
Really good one!
Quote
Spoiler
I thought we were doing third films only?
If not I'd have added a lot more.
Spoiler
The Kurgan said third+ :)
@ everyone
allright there are some great ones in there. I did not really think about it when i was asking, but there are great later entries.
So, there is still hope for Alien\Predator and even AVP after all ;)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
Thor Ragnarok
Really good one!
Agreed. I did not expect anything after Dark World, but man, Ragnarok was a great ride.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
Harry Potter, yes.
True!
Quote
Spoiler
Is Michael Biehn in T2?
Spoiler
In the "Special Edition" Director's cut, yes.
I'll be searching extensively for that.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 09, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
Harry Potter, yes.
True!
Quote
Spoiler
Is Michael Biehn in T2?
Spoiler
In the "Special Edition" Director's cut, yes.
I'll be searching extensively for that.
No need to search extensively, it's pretty common. The Skynet Edition blu ray has it, and the US Region 1 Ultimate edition DVD has it as well, as a hidden feature. It's apparently available streaming from Amazon labelled as the director's cut.
I was watching AvP:R yesterday. The sewer fight. Decent old build up - but just before Wolf roars his challenge he checks his map, and there's one, possibly two, exits without laser grids; one of which the Aliens in fact escape through.
The other issue - it's over in less than a minute.
I'm sure he also blew a hole as well that aided their escape, I try not to watch AVP-R much so I might be wrong.
Finished watching AvP:R - I think for the first time on blu-ray on a good telly (rather than on a PC).
- Even mucking around with the TV settings - it's really, really dark.
- Why did Wolf just look at the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) through the hole in the concrete at the end of the sewer fight instead of just shooting it in the face?
- How did Wolf not see the Alien crawling underneath him at the power plant when he had his 'See the Alien' mode on?
- Picture quality - often VERY grainy. Being a pretty recent flick I didn't expect so much noise/ grain during scenes where there's a smoked out background (the Predator up in the tree healing himself is an example).
- The whip was a cool weapon - pity we can't see it being used in the department store due to it being so dark.
- Failure to exploit the lighting when the PredAlien (see above) approaches the hospital. Could've been cool if they used the red ambulance lights so they you could catch glimpses of the creature. As it is, it a black mass, moving a bit in a larger black mass, with a rare red highlight.
- After the department store we pan up from an Alien body to the roof where Wolf sorts his guns out. Has he abandoned his cover up mission by this point because he takes off to the hospital without cleaning up the mess on the pavement. Same deal with the dead Aliens in the sewer come to think of it. And if the blue Alien Eraser Fluid (TM) reacts so well with water as per the pool - why not just pour some in the sewer water in the first place?
- It is literally impossible to see what happened to Ricky's boss from the pizza shop.
- The CG shots of the of the Aliens scurrying on walls look better than the suits. Plus they're often in Predator vision mode so you can actually see them.
- Woodruff Jnr's curled claw 'Kill him my evil minions!' performance as the PredAlien (et al) in the hospital hive just pips the stupid backhander in the sewer as Tom's Worst Alien Scene.
- Grain/ noise/ artifacts/ whatever it is, is terrible in some of the final fight shots.
- The slow reveal of Wolf taking his mask off is beyond pointless. We know what he looks like from the start of the film; and in this scene the 'reveal' isn't especially revealing.
- When they stab each other at the end I just noticed the jet in the sky above them, which was cool.
- The soundtrack for all its fan filmesque greatest hitsness, is quite effective on occasion. Interesting that only two existing tracks from Predator are mentioned in the credits. Guess you don't need to if it's only mostly note-for-note.
Just watching the behind the scenes featurettes - what would've been seen as confidence had this film done well - comments like "Being brothers we have an unfair advantage as directors" and 'What's scarier, something that happens way out in space or in your own backyard' - comes across as arrogance.
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 03:52:51 AM
Finished watching AvP:R - I think for the first time on blu-ray on a good telly (rather than on a PC).
- Even mucking around with the TV settings - it's really, really dark.
- Why did Wolf just look at the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) through the hole in the concrete at the end of the sewer fight instead of just shooting it in the face?
- How did Wolf not see the Alien crawling underneath him at the power plant when he had his 'See the Alien' mode on?
- Picture quality - often VERY grainy. Being a pretty recent flick I didn't expect so much noise/ grain during scenes where there's a smoked out background (the Predator up in the tree healing himself is an example).
- The whip was a cool weapon - pity we can't see it being used in the department store due to it being so dark.
- Failure to exploit the lighting when the PredAlien (see above) approaches the hospital. Could've been cool if they used the red ambulance lights so they you could catch glimpses of the creature. As it is, it a black mass, moving a bit in a larger black mass, with a rare red highlight.
- After the department store we pan up from an Alien body to the roof where Wolf sorts his guns out. Has he abandoned his cover up mission by this point because he takes off to the hospital without cleaning up the mess on the pavement. Same deal with the dead Aliens in the sewer come to think of it. And if the blue Alien Eraser Fluid (TM) reacts so well with water as per the pool - why not just pour some in the sewer water in the first place?
- It is literally impossible to see what happened to Ricky's boss from the pizza shop.
- The CG shots of the of the Aliens scurrying on walls look better than the suits. Plus they're often in Predator vision mode so you can actually see them.
- Woodruff Jnr's curled claw 'Kill him my evil minions!' performance as the PredAlien (et al) in the hospital hive just pips the stupid backhander in the sewer as Tom's Worst Alien Scene.
- Grain/ noise/ artifacts/ whatever it is, is terrible in some of the final fight shots.
- The slow reveal of Wolf taking his mask off is beyond pointless. We know what he looks like from the start of the film; and in this scene the 'reveal' isn't especially revealing.
- When they stab each other at the end I just noticed the jet in the sky above them, which was cool.
- The soundtrack for all its fan filmesque greatest hitsness, is quite effective on occasion. Interesting that only two existing tracks from Predator are mentioned in the credits. Guess you don't need to if it's only mostly note-for-note.
Just watching the behind the scenes featurettes - what would've been seen as confidence had this film done well - comments like "Being brothers we have an unfair advantage as directors" and 'What's scarier, something that happens way out in space or in your own backyard' - comes across as arrogance.
*Gives SM the "I survived watching AVP-R" award* You probably feel like you need some drinks about now. :laugh:
Nah. No drinks necessary! There's a growing contingent of fans who like watching AVP-R. There's at least 5 of us now!
*Gets the re-educating metal bar out* Not if anything to say about it, I have!! :laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
*Gets the re-educating metal bar out* Not if anything to say about it, I have!! :laugh:
That's not gonna work on Voodoo.
I tried that once.
A heretic can be tolerated, but a heresy cannot. :D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
*Gets the re-educating metal bar out* Not if anything to say about it, I have!! :laugh:
Me. RidgeTop. Huggsy. Tipsy Vermillion. Local Trouble (when his other choice is Alien Resurrection.)
I don't know, we're a rough & tumble group. You sure you want to mess with us?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/cY7uke8qWczuM/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
*Gets the re-educating metal bar out* Not if anything to say about it, I have!! :laugh:
Me. RidgeTop. Huggsy. Tipsy Vermillion. Local Trouble (when his other choice is Alien Resurrection.)
I don't know, we're a rough & tumble group. You sure you want to mess with us?
https://media.giphy.com/media/cY7uke8qWczuM/giphy.gif
I would argue, but you used a Near Dark gif, so I'll shut up.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 05, 2019, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
*Gets the re-educating metal bar out* Not if anything to say about it, I have!! :laugh:
That's not gonna work on Voodoo.
I tried that once.
Yeah, he might like it too much but stilll....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIwIzaLy5gM :laugh:
So, so wrong, on so many levels. :D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 03:52:51 AM
Finished watching AvP:R - I think for the first time on blu-ray on a good telly (rather than on a PC).
- Even mucking around with the TV settings - it's really, really dark.
- Why did Wolf just look at the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) through the hole in the concrete at the end of the sewer fight instead of just shooting it in the face?
- How did Wolf not see the Alien crawling underneath him at the power plant when he had his 'See the Alien' mode on?
- Picture quality - often VERY grainy. Being a pretty recent flick I didn't expect so much noise/ grain during scenes where there's a smoked out background (the Predator up in the tree healing himself is an example).
- The whip was a cool weapon - pity we can't see it being used in the department store due to it being so dark.
- Failure to exploit the lighting when the PredAlien (see above) approaches the hospital. Could've been cool if they used the red ambulance lights so they you could catch glimpses of the creature. As it is, it a black mass, moving a bit in a larger black mass, with a rare red highlight.
- After the department store we pan up from an Alien body to the roof where Wolf sorts his guns out. Has he abandoned his cover up mission by this point because he takes off to the hospital without cleaning up the mess on the pavement. Same deal with the dead Aliens in the sewer come to think of it. And if the blue Alien Eraser Fluid (TM) reacts so well with water as per the pool - why not just pour some in the sewer water in the first place?
- It is literally impossible to see what happened to Ricky's boss from the pizza shop.
- The CG shots of the of the Aliens scurrying on walls look better than the suits. Plus they're often in Predator vision mode so you can actually see them.
- Woodruff Jnr's curled claw 'Kill him my evil minions!' performance as the PredAlien (et al) in the hospital hive just pips the stupid backhander in the sewer as Tom's Worst Alien Scene.
- Grain/ noise/ artifacts/ whatever it is, is terrible in some of the final fight shots.
- The slow reveal of Wolf taking his mask off is beyond pointless. We know what he looks like from the start of the film; and in this scene the 'reveal' isn't especially revealing.
- When they stab each other at the end I just noticed the jet in the sky above them, which was cool.
- The soundtrack for all its fan filmesque greatest hitsness, is quite effective on occasion. Interesting that only two existing tracks from Predator are mentioned in the credits. Guess you don't need to if it's only mostly note-for-note.
Just watching the behind the scenes featurettes - what would've been seen as confidence had this film done well - comments like "Being brothers we have an unfair advantage as directors" and 'What's scarier, something that happens way out in space or in your own backyard' - comes across as arrogance.
*Gives SM the "I survived watching AVP-R" award* You probably feel like you need some drinks about now. :laugh:
Had to shower first.
What about the egg-barfing?
Who doesn't love a good old-fashioned egg-barfing.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fr%2Fbtchplz.gif&hash=0e9e763f471d6429604e3c9f51bb9ec8654b3f16)
(https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif)
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/dAT2TuRAbPn6HKgySj/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59efd5565472544128ed14)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
What about the egg-barfing?
I tried to avoid the stuff that's so obviously f**king stupid that it's been rightly criticised ad nauseum.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Freplygif.net%2Fi%2F100.gif&hash=99b631b90315f35d95ace3cc0b5ffc5fa184a21b)
Voodoo.
I hate you.
(https://2static1.fjcdn.com/comments/They+should+be+ive+seen+bunnies+tear+up+housecats+if+_6cd360720672aa7b8b2c0435445e3c45.jpg)
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 05, 2019, 08:28:39 PM
Voodoo.
I hate you.
https://2static1.fjcdn.com/comments/They+should+be+ive+seen+bunnies+tear+up+housecats+if+_6cd360720672aa7b8b2c0435445e3c45.jpg
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0Iyq5eSB4VBXRRXW/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59f2672f69356236ba2987)
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
What about the egg-barfing?
I tried to avoid the stuff that's so obviously f**king stupid that it's been rightly criticised ad nauseum.
Mightn't it have been inspired by the unorthodox breeding experiments in Aliens Labyrinth? Specifically...
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/XSUxYTx.jpg)
And could this also be a Predator's reproductive organ?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b67f7fa02a6d1d80f8fab2776a8ad3c7)
Sure looks like a reproductive organ.
Maybe the predators lay eggs/give birth with their mouth King Piccolo style ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif
The multiple chestbursters thing was dumb, but having this a momentary way of reproduction for a young queen... well its oral rape, its very ALIEN like, and less of the ALIENS-bug like reproduction. It just needed to have more setbacks, otherwise there isn't a reason to motivate the Queen to lay eggs instead of doing this forever.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif
Whoo! dat's hot.
And notice, you can see everything quite clearly. Must be from the bluray ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
What about the egg-barfing?
I tried to avoid the stuff that's so obviously f**king stupid that it's been rightly criticised ad nauseum.
Mightn't it have been inspired by the unorthodox breeding experiments in Aliens Labyrinth? Specifically...
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/XSUxYTx.jpg)
I can't see the picture but I'm going to go with "it wasn't inspired in any way shape or form".
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 05, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif
Whoo! dat's hot.
And notice, you can see everything quite clearly. Must be from the bluray ;D
Shit's dark as, well, shit. You can barely make out details when it latches on and starts injecting :P
Nah, Local is on to something!
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oriO8vwmRIZO6kcNO/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c5a1e0e37322e45361c55f7)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 05, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/RUkoJ4w.gif
Whoo! dat's hot.
And notice, you can see everything quite clearly. Must be from the bluray ;D
O H, N O T Y O U, T O O!
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 11:34:20 PM
I can't see the picture but I'm going to go with "it wasn't inspired in any way shape or form".
Can you see here:
Spoiler
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2e/9d/46/2e9d4626ed3a77afe03193972eaaf177.jpg)
Oh, right.
I stand by my initial assessment.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/dAT2TuRAbPn6HKgySj/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59efd5565472544128ed14
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 06, 2019, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/dAT2TuRAbPn6HKgySj/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59efd5565472544128ed14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsxB_VxWn0
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/Te0zPUD9m7KDe/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c5a2e3c4f3248542ec48b6e)
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 11:52:37 PM
Oh, right.
I stand by my initial assessment.
What was SM's initial reaction to that scene?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 06, 2019, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/dAT2TuRAbPn6HKgySj/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59efd5565472544128ed14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsxB_VxWn0
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Te0zPUD9m7KDe/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c5a2e3c4f3248542ec48b6e
They merely fear...its savagery.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 06, 2019, 12:50:37 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 06, 2019, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/dAT2TuRAbPn6HKgySj/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c59efd5565472544128ed14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsxB_VxWn0
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Te0zPUD9m7KDe/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c5a2e3c4f3248542ec48b6e
They merely fear...its savagery.
First I lose Verm.
Then Voodoo.
And now Huggs.
Oughtta put you two in time-out.
What did I do?
You knocked over all the Harleys parked in front of the Satan's Helpers biker bar.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 01:01:27 AM
You knocked over all the Harleys parked in front of the Satan's Helpers biker bar.
Oh c'mon. It was a couple of Schwinns at a "Save the Pitchford" lemonade benefit stand, and I paid for the damages.
Quote from: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 01:17:48 AM
Dismay.
You will dream of Big Chet tonight.
Quote from: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 01:17:48 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 11:52:37 PM
Oh, right.
I stand by my initial assessment.
What was SM's initial reaction to that scene?
Dismay.
I imagine your dismay face is similar to Fox Mulder's panic face.
Not far off.
You can't spell dismay without sm.
I once wrote a LONG text explaining clearly enough how much Requiem is pure shit, alas it's in French (https://www.mad-movies.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11539&page=49#entry908567).
May translate it someday, in the meantime you can throw it through an automatic translator or whatever.
Vive la résistance!
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 06, 2019, 04:45:55 PM
I once wrote a LONG text explaining clearly enough how much Requiem is pure shit, alas it's in French (https://www.mad-movies.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11539&page=49#entry908567).
Fantastic language. Especially to curse with.
I actually don't hate it. If it was just bad movie i would. Maybe it's weird opinion but i think it's cool to have such trashy movie in franchise. And i CAN watch it from beginning to ending credits. Where is my award? :)
How do you feel about egg-barfing?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
How do you feel about egg-barfing?
I'm OK with it. For me it's as gruesome as standart facehugging and chestbursting if not even more. And i think that killing pregnant in such horrible way is truly in Alien nature
I like my egg-barfing with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
The egg-barfing is one of the only relatively good ideas of the movie for me, even if it goes a little too much towards torture porn and once again we're stuck with a misogynistic focus on female victims of forced alien insemination.
Edit: Translated my old text! Does it read well? :)
-------------------------------
Back when it appeared in theater, this film forged itself a good reputation by some magic, marketing magic even... A new approach to sell us meat-and-bone meal once more. The idea was that Requiem was an honest, dark, ultraviolent actioner.
This image is demonstrably false.
Requiem is not an action movie.
Well, if it is, I don't want to watch an action movie ever again. In a similar fashion to 300, the fights let go of any momentum, grasp of space, inventivity, decor use or choregraphy and can be adequately summed up as exchanges of shots and punches, always direct. There is no concept of dodging, there is no concept of physical or mental state of the fighter. The action scenes are blunt and flat, badly shot and most of the time presented in darkness, so frankly the audience will be lucky to understand ANYTHING AT ALL. To put the final nail in the coffin of the "fights", the Strause Bros made them way longer than anyone could stand.
Requiem is not a horror movie.
There is no notion of suspense, replaced with the vilest sadism and irony. Human beings are just there to get killed, and when you see on in a three-seconds scene, it's only so you can see them screwed in a second three-seconds scene (textbook example, the unlucky barmaid). The epitome of this slaughterhouse syndrome is the group lead by the policeman, which ends up annihilated with the entire town because of a single bad choice, the choice to trust the government. Their disappearance does not seem to shake the surviving characters, for they appear to have become as cynical as the Strause Bros.
Requiem is not a violent movie.
With such a ruthless approach, one could hope at least for some good old gore and guts. No such luck! Most of the time, the massacre happens off-screen, or in complete darkness. The fate of most of the population is symptomatic: one doesn't know what destiny befalls them. From the colonel's screen, one can guess they died, but we would have liked to SEE. There was a royal highway to some Hieronimus Bosch shit with the pitch of an entire town invaded by Aliens! And the absence of dantesque visual really deserves the movie in the end, it lacks scale, it lacks ambition.
Requiem is not a movie with actual characters
The protagonists are all stereotypes, without past, without hobbies, without personality. Completely interchangeable, they occasionally work straight out-of-character (the soldier unable to defend herself...) or abandon their childhood friends to a nightmarish death without any hesitation.
Even humour doesn't work correctly
The comical side could have helped to digest the cinematic disaster, alas it doesn't go beyond a few badly paid pot smokers and a couple lines supposed to make us laugh, such as "The government wouldn't lie to us". Disgusting.
It's an absurd patchwork of previous movies
Surfing on the "geek wave" (this trend being already dubious and terminologically unsuitable but whatever) with a lot less talent than Raimi or Jackson, the Strause Bros present themselves as ultimate fanboys of the series, well-read in the Alien classics and eager to demonstrate.
It's quite embarrassing, like some drunken bully we once knew in high school, suddenly appearing during our marriage to nudge, to wink and to do dirty jokes: we don't know each other, we are not friends, f**k man, go home.
The Strause Bros confuse homage and plagiarism to offer us this gigantic pile of references (more like reverence, or even deference!) as the main architecture of their crime against good taste. So it's nothing except a bad quality medley of the six previous Alien and Predator movies, while the only thing they'll keep of the previous AVP (which they are supposedly doing a sequel to!) is the ultra-fast incubation of the xenomorph embryos, microwave style. The soundtrack is the living image of this mediocre patchwork: a grey soup with some accords of the previous BOs, devoid of personality.
Touting the product
So okay, the directors demonstrated AVPR is (supposedly) a true "Alien + Predator" product, now it's time to sell it. Their predecessor has earned AVP a deplorable reputation, so what could the Strause Brothers do? Well, they'll spend their time in full Anderson-bashing mode in every interview, of course! Come on, Anderson is the guy who committed Mortal Kombat, and even worse, the Resident Evil movie trilogy, it's easy to make fun of him. So yeah, let's blast the goddamn embezzler, with any luck people will confuse the obloquy with actual legitimacy for our Masterpiece.
In the same spirit, the movie shall be "harsh", "merciless" and "politically incorrect", which basicall means it's going to be a senseless bloodbath of children and pregnant women. Let's get dark and edgy, baby!
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 06, 2019, 04:45:55 PM
I once wrote a LONG text explaining clearly enough how much Requiem is pure shit, alas it's in French (https://www.mad-movies.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11539&page=49#entry908567).
May translate it someday, in the meantime you can throw it through an automatic translator or whatever.
When I translated it:
"AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream.
AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream.
AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream. AVP: Requiem was a fantastic movie. I like it better than ice cream."
"It's not an action film, it's not a horror film, it's an absurd montage of pieces of other movies" sums it up pretty accurately :D
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 07, 2019, 09:34:13 AM
The egg-barfing is one of the only relatively good ideas of the movie for me, even if it goes a little too much towards torture porn and once again we're stuck with a misogynistic focus on female victims of forced alien insemination.
Edit: Translated my old text! Does it read well? :)
-------------------------------
Back when it appeared in theater, this film forged itself a good reputation by some magic, marketing magic even... A new approach to sell us meat-and-bone meal once more. The idea was that Requiem was an honest, dark, ultraviolent actioner.
This image is demonstrably false.
Requiem is not an action movie.
Well, if it is, I don't want to watch an action movie ever again. In a similar fashion to 300, the fights let go of any momentum, grasp of space, inventivity, decor use or choregraphy and can be adequately summed up as exchanges of shots and punches, always direct. There is no concept of dodging, there is no concept of physical or mental state of the fighter. The action scenes are blunt and flat, badly shot and most of the time presented in darkness, so frankly the audience will be lucky to understand ANYTHING AT ALL. To put the final nail in the coffin of the "fights", the Strause Bros made them way longer than anyone could stand.
Requiem is not a horror movie.
There is no notion of suspense, replaced with the vilest sadism and irony. Human beings are just there to get killed, and when you see on in a three-seconds scene, it's only so you can see them screwed in a second three-seconds scene (textbook example, the unlucky barmaid). The epitome of this slaughterhouse syndrome is the group lead by the policeman, which ends up annihilated with the entire town because of a single bad choice, the choice to trust the government. Their disappearance does not seem to shake the surviving characters, for they appear to have become as cynical as the Strause Bros.
Requiem is not a violent movie.
With such a ruthless approach, one could hope at least for some good old gore and guts. No such luck! Most of the time, the massacre happens off-screen, or in complete darkness. The fate of most of the population is symptomatic: one doesn't know what destiny befalls them. From the colonel's screen, one can guess they died, but we would have liked to SEE. There was a royal highway to some Hieronimus Bosch shit with the pitch of an entire town invaded by Aliens! And the absence of dantesque visual really deserves the movie in the end, it lacks scale, it lacks ambition.
Requiem is not a movie with actual characters
The protagonists are all stereotypes, without past, without hobbies, without personality. Completely interchangeable, they occasionally work straight out-of-character (the soldier unable to defend herself...) or abandon their childhood friends to a nightmarish death without any hesitation.
Even humour doesn't work correctly
The comical side could have helped to digest the cinematic disaster, alas it doesn't go beyond a few badly paid pot smokers and a couple lines supposed to make us laugh, such as "The government wouldn't lie to us". Disgusting.
It's an absurd patchwork of previous movies
Surfing on the "geek wave" (this trend being already dubious and terminologically unsuitable but whatever) with a lot less talent than Raimi or Jackson, the Strause Bros present themselves as ultimate fanboys of the series, well-read in the Alien classics and eager to demonstrate.
It's quite embarrassing, like some drunken bully we once knew in high school, suddenly appearing during our marriage to nudge, to wink and to do dirty jokes: we don't know each other, we are not friends, f**k man, go home.
The Strause Bros confuse homage and plagiarism to offer us this gigantic pile of references (more like reverence, or even deference!) as the main architecture of their crime against good taste. So it's nothing except a bad quality medley of the six previous Alien and Predator movies, while the only thing they'll keep of the previous AVP (which they are supposedly doing a sequel to!) is the ultra-fast incubation of the xenomorph embryos, microwave style. The soundtrack is the living image of this mediocre patchwork: a grey soup with some accords of the previous BOs, devoid of personality.
Touting the product
So okay, the directors demonstrated AVPR is (supposedly) a true "Alien + Predator" product, now it's time to sell it. Their predecessor has earned AVP a deplorable reputation, so what could the Strause Brothers do? Well, they'll spend their time in full Anderson-bashing mode in every interview, of course! Come on, Anderson is the guy who committed Mortal Kombat, and even worse, the Resident Evil movie trilogy, it's easy to make fun of him. So yeah, let's blast the goddamn embezzler, with any luck people will confuse the obloquy with actual legitimacy for our Masterpiece.
In the same spirit, the movie shall be "harsh", "merciless" and "politically incorrect", which basicall means it's going to be a senseless bloodbath of children and pregnant women. Let's get dark and edgy, baby!
Pretty much.
Watched it last night, this time the thing that really bothered me was how quickly things went around after the lights go out. From a scene to another the city is implied to be already under aliens control, but so far Chet haven't reached the hospital, establishing a hive and making all those multiple bellybursters. Yet somehow there are enough aliens to kill the national guard as well as a shitload of citizens, as people were already thinking about evacuating the town despite that at this time there can't be more than 3 aliens besides Chet.
Feels like there are 30 minutes missing there. If the scenes with Chet at the hospital were placed earlier, maybe it could work a little better, since those extra aliens would come from there, and in the way things are, those bellybursters must have grown really fast, considering the amount of adult aliens we see at that last hospital sequence. So despite that at the start the facehuggers take a little longer to impregnate, after that Chet pulls a AVP and its done. Hmm... maybe fanedit can make some difference.
The speeded up life cycle also bothered me on AVP, as well as how fast the hive and the eggs spread across the pyramid, but on AVPR the aliens simply increase their numbers without explanation, unless Chet found other pregnant woman on the way to the hospital offscreen.
Did you like the egg-barfing though?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 11:46:20 PM
Did you like the egg-barfing though?
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Chet found the pregnant waitress, but yeah, it feels like the town gets entirely overrun by about 9 Aliens including Chet.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 11:46:20 PM
Did you like the egg-barfing though?
Damn you really like asking that.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 05, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
The multiple chestbursters thing was dumb, but having this a momentary way of reproduction for a young queen... well its oral rape, its very ALIEN like, and less of the ALIENS-bug like reproduction. It just needed to have more setbacks, otherwise there isn't a reason to motivate the Queen to lay eggs instead of doing this forever.
I'm mixed about it.
At least I didn't mention Synthol.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 07, 2019, 11:50:47 PM
Chet found the pregnant waitress, but yeah, it feels like the town gets entirely overrun by about 9 Aliens including Chet.
The bursters on the waitress seems to burst around the same time as the city gets overrun, I assumed they weren't fully grown so I didn't count. But I realize now, it doesn't matter if Chet had found other hosts on the way to the hospital it still wouldn't fit in, as the waitress would still be the first that got impregnated after the sewer fight. Only if the aliens had already kidnapped some before and the bursters were on their way to being born while the sewer fight happened.
We see 3 aliens leaving with Chet at the sewers. One goes to the powerplant, another attacks the couple with a kid and the other goes for the pool? Was the homeless woman suppose to be pregnant? In that case we would have more 4 aliens, but those weren't present during the sewer fight, only if they were somewhere else for some reason.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 11:56:56 PM
At least I didn't mention Synthol.
What happens on the Politics Sub-Forum stays on the Politics Sub-Forum.
The AvP predators looked like they had some Synthol in them.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 12:02:34 AM
The bursters on the waitress seems to burst around the same time as the city gets overrun, I assumed they weren't fully grown so I didn't count. But I realize now, it doesn't matter if Chet had found other hosts on the way to the hospital it still wouldn't fit in, as the waitress would still be the first that got impregnated after the sewer fight. Only if the aliens had already kidnapped some and the bursters were on the way to being born while the sewer fight happened.
We see 3 aliens leaving with Chet at the sewers. One goes to the powerplant, another attacks the couple with a kid and the other goes for the pool? Was the homeless women suppose to be pregnant? In that case we would have more 4 aliens, but those weren't present during the sewer fight, only if they were somewhere else for some reason.
The whole thing's a mess. The homeless woman gets killed, not impregnated. You're right, the waitress only bursts once the power goes out -- which is the same time everyone's mysteriously dying.
Basically they put all of no thought into it.
And there's no excuse -- the problem was there from the first draft, where Aliens pour out of the sewers from ... f**k knows where. There was no reproduction of any kind in the original script. The egg barfing was used to address that, but they forgot to address the whole "where the f**k do the Aliens come from to take over the town in the first place" issue.
Much of the infestations was going on behind the scenes. Like that decently long graveyard scene with Kelly and Molly. You hear yelling, screams, gun shots, etc. all in the background, suggesting so much more going on all over town.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
Much of the infestations was going on behind the scenes. Like that decently long graveyard scene with Kelly and Molly. You hear yelling, screams, gun shots, etc. all in the background, suggesting so much more going on all over town.
With all of like 3 adult Aliens at the time. The belly bursters aren't born until the power goes out, which is like one or two scenes before. They did a really shit job of establishing the Alien infestation spreading.
(keep in mind the waitress was the first one impregnated after they escaped the sewers, so would've been the first to burst. Any others Chet might've got would still be gestating.)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2019, 12:11:33 AM
The AvP predators looked like they had some Synthol in them.
Some??? ;D
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 08, 2019, 12:11:33 AM
The AvP predators looked like they had some Synthol in them.
Their arms didn't look big enough by my standards. I suppose next to others they look big as they are 7 foot tall but alone their proportions aren't impressive. The armor is what makes them look so bulky.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:13:26 AM
The whole thing's a mess. The homeless woman gets killed, not impregnated.
Really? The way Chet pushed the other alien that was about to kill her made me think it was going to do the egg-barfing. Like why else would it stop the other alien from killing her instead? Only if Chet was trying the egg-barfing for the first time, inexperienced about how it works, and accidentally killed as the woman was not pregnant, so it didn't work with her. I once imagined the Alien of the first movie trying something like that with Lambert out of curiosity. But that was before the Queen was created so whatever.
Also I imagined the multiple bursters would come from pregnant women but if Chet tried that with the average girl only one would come out.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 12:21:44 AM
Really? The way Chet pushed the other alien that was about to kill her made me think it was going to do the egg-barfing.
It's hard to tell in the film. Colin said it killed her because he didn't want the PredAlien to just impregnate women the whole film.
Why wouldn't he if given the opportunity? Chet's inconsistent behavior makes me question the quality of the writing.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
Colin said it killed her because he didn't want the PredAlien to just impregnate women the whole film.
Didn't want? So why not show that it can impregnate non-pregnant women?
This movie needs some headcanon to work.
I hadn't really thought about the Alien numbers in AvP:R. Can't imagine why...
There's six huggers on crashed ship, two get Buddy and Sam and another two get the two homeless guys. There looks to be at least one dead one on the ship.
So four Aliens, plus maybe 3 or 4 more from the homeless lady? One more at the least. Minimum 5, maximum 8.
Wolf kills two in the sewer leaving minimum of 3 plus Chet. Carrie gets egg barfed meaning 4 more. National Guard hits two at least (dunno if they're killed). Wolf kills 1 at the pool and 3 or 4 I think at the department store. Once the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) gets to the maternity ward, there's at least another dozen Aliens born. Wolf sees three going to the hospital.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
I hadn't really thought about the Alien numbers in AvP:R. Can't imagine why...
You clearly need to devote more resources toward AvPR analysis.
If all the scenes with the waitress and pregnant women were placed earlier it would at least explain the amount of aliens we see against the National Guard, at the shop and at the hospital. But never how a town of that size was overrun so fast, the people at the center of the town were implied to getting surrounded by them, so there must have been more like a dozen trying to kill that group. Heck they did on a few hours what took days for the Aliens to do on Hadley's Hope and on a bigger scale. The Strauses seems to have left the good alien moments off-screen.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
There's six huggers on crashed ship, two get Buddy and Sam and another two get the two homeless guys. There looks to be at least one dead one on the ship.
Buddy kills one. Another died at the crash? I'm not seeing it. Hmm... Wolf would have spotted it at the ship. Wouldn't need to get the liquid to find out what the pods were carrying.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
Colin said it killed her because he didn't want the PredAlien to just impregnate women the whole film.
Didn't want? So why not show that it can impregnate non-pregnant women?
On second thoughts that might've been the case.
Not that you can see the f**k's going on anyway:
If the growth rate was similar to that in Covenant, then Chet should not have a problem creating an overwhelming force in a matter of hours.
Of course, how many aliens are really necessary to overwhelm a population who's probably less armed and aware than would be preferred for that sort of situation?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:52:39 AM
On second thoughts that might've been the case.
I guess that will be my headcanon.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:52:39 AM
Not that you can see the f**k's going on anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-XuIs8s--Y
Haha it looks a little brigher on the bluray file I got but yeah it sucks. Not just the lighting, some shots of the movie are from a position that makes some scenes even worse to see.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 12:56:54 AM
Of course, how many aliens are really necessary to overwhelm a population who's probably less armed and aware than would be preferred for that sort of situation?
Issue isn't that they ovewhelm but how fast, what's the average population of a city? Hundred thousands? How many the aliens would they need to kill for it to be considered overrun? They must have been killing like 1 person per minute(minimum) to make people believe the city was done for that fast.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 12:56:54 AM
If the growth rate was similar to that in Covenant, then Chet should not have a problem creating an overwhelming force in a matter of hours.
The first of the new batch of Aliens are only popping up when the town is being overrun, that's the issue here. Waitress was the first out of the sewer, so hers are the first to be born. Next minute, the town is in chaos.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 12:50:46 AM
If all the scenes with the waitress and pregnant women were placed earlier it would at least explain the amount of aliens we see against the National Guard, at the shop and at the hospital. But never how a town of that size was overrun so fast, the people at the center of the town were implied to getting surrounded by them, so there must have been more like a dozen trying to kill that group. Heck they did on a few hours what took days for the Aliens to do on Hadley's Hope and on a bigger scale. The Strauses seems to have left the good alien moments off-screen.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
There's six huggers on crashed ship, two get Buddy and Sam and another two get the two homeless guys. There looks to be at least one dead one on the ship.
Buddy kills one. Another died at the crash? I'm not seeing it. Hmm... Wolf would have spotted it at the ship. Wouldn't need to get the liquid to find out what the pods were carrying.
I forgot one got shot.
When Wolf checks on the dead Predator you can see a dead hugger in a smashed tube (and again in Predavision when he follows a trail indicating some escaped).
As for the homeless lady, I just assumed she was egg barfed as part of the setup for the pay off in the hospital. The Alien gets comically backhanded and PredAlien (etc.) approaches her, then lunges. With Carrie we see it look at her belly, then lunges at her, then with the pregnant lady in the hospital we see everything.
Gunnison's population is in the 5000-6000 ballpark (which was reflected in one of the trailers which I can't find).
The initial gestation/ growth in AvP:R for the huggers for Buddy and Sam didn't have any issues. Later, not so much...
It's possible that there were entire sections of town devoid of human presence not just due to death and kidnapping, but also hiding and early escaped. The aliens might still not have completely overrun the entire town by the time Dallas and Co. get to the hospital. People who are hiding or far away from the characters are unlikely to have the time or inclination to make themselves known. We're also talking about a population under evacuation. There are no corridors, these victims are likely unarmed and in the open. Easy pickin's for xenos, especially if they're just killing people outright.
Then again, the predators were still alive in AVP1 during the flashback when the entire city was flooded up to the pyramid with aliens. So it couldn't have taken them long there either. To go from a handful to thousands, is the AVP way.
Plus we have to factor in a certain amount of suspending common sense for the sake of fun. It is a monster mashup movie afterall.
There is the evacuation of the town, but the point is the police station is getting overrun seconds after the waitress finally bursts, which is right at the start of the evacuation. Moments later, cars are abandoned and the town is apparently overrun with Aliens.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
When Wolf checks on the dead Predator you can see a dead hugger in a smashed tube (and again in Predavision when he follows a trail indicating some escaped).
You are right. Its just before Wolf analysis the liquid. 22min49s of the unrated cut. Can't believe I didn't notice, it stays on the screen for almost 10 seconds. I'm suprised the hugger died.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
Gunnison's population is in the 5000-6000 ballpark (which was reflected in one of the trailers which I can't find).
Oh the green band trailer. I had forgotten about that one.
5476 people. That makes things a little easier than I thought.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 01:31:37 AM
There is the evacuation of the town, but the point is the police station is getting overrun seconds after the waitress finally bursts, which is right at the start of the evacuation. Moments later, cars are abandoned and the town is apparently overrun with Aliens.
Ah, that's just bad writing is all.
Then again, if traffic was going nowhere and Aliens were coming, I'd hotfoot it out of there too.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
I hadn't really thought about the Alien numbers in AvP:R. Can't imagine why...
There's six huggers on crashed ship, two get Buddy and Sam and another two get the two homeless guys. There looks to be at least one dead one on the ship.
So four Aliens, plus maybe 3 or 4 more from the homeless lady? One more at the least. Minimum 5, maximum 8.
Wolf kills two in the sewer leaving minimum of 3 plus Chet. Carrie gets egg barfed meaning 4 more. National Guard hits two at least (dunno if they're killed). Wolf kills 1 at the pool and 3 or 4 I think at the department store. Once the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) gets to the maternity ward, there's at least another dozen Aliens born. Wolf sees three going to the hospital.
Five huggers are initially alive if I remembering right, Buddy killed one so only four remained. Two got Buddy and Sam, the other two got the homeless guys. The homeless woman gets egg barfed. So eight aliens plus Chet, assuming that the homeless woman was egg barfed.
EDIT: whoops. someone already mentioned it.
As for gestation/implantion, it does initially seem to take longer than the first avp, but they are still chestbursted seconds after waking.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 12:15:30 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
Much of the infestations was going on behind the scenes. Like that decently long graveyard scene with Kelly and Molly. You hear yelling, screams, gun shots, etc. all in the background, suggesting so much more going on all over town.
With all of like 3 adult Aliens at the time. The belly bursters aren't born until the power goes out, which is like one or two scenes before. They did a really shit job of establishing the Alien infestation spreading.
(keep in mind the waitress was the first one impregnated after they escaped the sewers, so would've been the first to burst. Any others Chet might've got would still be gestating.)
No one here is suggesting there aren't plot holes or AVPR is a brilliantly written film, especially with the genesis of the Alien infestation.
But when I mention during that long graveyard scene with Kelly and Molly, the guy from the power plant, and the Wolf in the tree repairing itself,
you hear yelling, screams, gun shots, sirens, for a long time in the background through this entire scene. This demonstrates more is going on
off-camera all over town. So understanding that, it's easy to extrapolate that the Pred-Alien didn't suddenly take a siesta for a portion of the film, but did what he did to waitress Carrie to multiple people.
Considering we hear nothing about people disappearing in the narrative of the film during the day and the Aliens are confined to the sewer, that sounds very unlikely.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 03:18:18 AM
Considering we hear nothing about people disappearing in the narrative of the film during the day and the Aliens are confined to the sewer, that sounds very unlikely.
Hearing random sirens, screams and gunshots all over town in the background for almost 3 minutes, followed by a row of endless cars trying to get out of town, a reveal that the cell towers are down by the sheriff's "no service" cell phone, it was all my mind needed to extrapolate. I didn't need to be shown.
Yeah, the film pretty much does state the PredAlien took a siesta until they escaped the sewers.
Also the homeless lady probably would have been impregnated, but only with one Alien. Buddy and Sam, two bums and the homeless lady make five Aliens. Wolf kills two, three escape into the street with the PredAlien.
So Chet's first batch of pregnant bursters is, again, the waitress, who doesn't pop until shit is already going down.
And the endless cars was because of the power plant, not the Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 03:44:16 AM
Yeah, the film pretty much does state the PredAlien took a siesta until they escaped the sewers.
Actually, it doesn't, but you're talking infestation genesis, which I agree with the plot problems. The sounds of the town going to hell that I'm describing takes place in a 3min scene
after the Aliens left the sewer and after Carrie's alien infested burster body was found with no sign of the Predalien in the diner. That's where you can extrapolate that the PredAlien was not taking a siesta after Carrie.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 03:59:59 AM
That's where you can extrapolate that the PredAlien was not taking a siesta after Carrie.
Ah, no, you misread; I said it was taking a siesta
until it left the sewer, not after Carrie.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 04:06:17 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 03:59:59 AM
That's where you can extrapolate that the PredAlien was not taking a siesta after Carrie.
Ah, no, you misread; I said it was taking a siesta until it left the sewer, not after Carrie.
I didn't misread it. My impression was you misread me, considering how you worded it.
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Voodoo: So understanding that, it's easy to extrapolate that the Pred-Alien didn't suddenly take a siesta for a portion of the film, but did what he did to waitress Carrie to multiple people.
SiL: Yeah, the film pretty much does state the PredAlien took a siesta until they escaped the sewers.
Voodoo: The sounds of the town going to hell that I'm describing takes place in a 3min scene after the Aliens left the sewer and after Carrie's alien infested burster body was found with no sign of the Predalien in the diner. That's where you can extrapolate that the PredAlien was not taking a siesta after Carrie.
SiL: Ah, no, you misread; I said it was taking a siesta until it left the sewer, not after Carrie.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 04:17:21 AM
I didn't misread it. My impression was you misread me, considering how you worded it.
I specified the sewer, you said "a portion of the film", so I wasn't sure what portion you meant. Also my point was that Carrie's were first, so the shit going down was her four Aliens plus the two surviving Aliens after Wolf kills the one at the pool, which is a bit light for the mayhem we hear.
Unless Chet found more pregnant ladies really, really soon after.
There looks like there's three Aliens plus Chet after Wolf gets belted with the tail (in the shot of them starting to crawl through the pipe).
One goes to the diner. Another goes to the power plant. Does the one from the diner then go to the pool? And another is killing Tim. And just after Morales and Dallas leave the pool they can't already contact the police station. This is before Carrie pops.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 04:43:22 AM
One goes to the diner. Another goes to the power plant. Does the one from the diner then go to the pool? And another is killing Tim. And just after Morales and Dallas leave the pool they can't already contact the police station. This is before Carrie pops.
Man, I've been working from the script for the timing, which at least puts Carrie popping before the police station getting weird reports.
The communications shutoff was said to be from the army (according to the directors) ... but the army doesn't know of the Aliens until the national guard shows up, which isn't until after the phones stop working.
I just enjoy it for what it is.
Alien needs to make sense. Predator needs to make sense. But I can live with AVP being alittle implausible if it comes to it.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 04:45:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 04:43:22 AM
One goes to the diner. Another goes to the power plant. Does the one from the diner then go to the pool? And another is killing Tim. And just after Morales and Dallas leave the pool they can't already contact the police station. This is before Carrie pops.
Man, I've been working from the script for the timing, which at least puts Carrie popping before the police station getting weird reports.
The communications shutoff was said to be from the army (according to the directors) ... but the army doesn't know of the Aliens until the national guard shows up, which isn't until after the phones stop working.
I did wonder if the comms drop out was the army - but given the timing... why?
Surely the police station would have a backup generator for the power outage.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 04:33:45 AM
Unless Chet found more pregnant ladies really, really soon after.
I wonder if Chet can smell them out. You would imagine so, if they're essential to reproduce. Unless of course, pregnant ladies are not essential, and just preferred, due to their maximum buster real estate.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 04:49:39 AM
I did wonder if the comms drop out was the army - but given the timing... why?
The police station may be the Aliens, but don't they mention the phones not working around that time?
I really don't want to have to rewatch this thing.
Just before they encounter Darcy, Morales phone shows 'no signal'.
Which is before the army is even aware of the Aliens.
God damn this movie is terrible.
Nah, it's fine.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 05:06:56 AM
Which is before the army is even aware of the Aliens.
God damn this movie is terrible.
Phone coverage in 2004 was a bit shit...
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 05:11:06 AM
Phone coverage in 2004 was a bit shit...
And there's totally some mountains blocking ... reception ... or something ...
Predator cloak emits a frequency that mucks up your phone like when your microwave plays funny buggers with your wifi.
Gotta be it.
Radiation from the nuclear power plant is interfering with reception, and also emitting a high-pitched frequency which renders Aliens incompetent.
The ones in the sewer were just groggy from the sewer stank.
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"This is beginning to make sense."
@Huggs
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AvP:R used confusion.
It's super effective!
AvPGalaxy is now confused.
AvPGalaxy used logical explanation.
It's not very effective . . .
AvPGalaxy hurt itself in confusion.
Wow, the scenes posted before made me remember that 1- The movie can have some genuinely horrifying shots, the facehuggers attacking these guys are creepy as f**k, 2- The framing and lights are SO BAD.
I finally got around to watching it on my laptop after digitaly buying it off of amazon. I was very surprised that when I watched it on my laptop I didn't notice any lightning issues at all. Scenes that I remember watching that were so dark I couldn't tell what was happening I could see clear as daylight. For example I just now noticed that the love interest girl was cut in half by the predator. So if you just watch the all the predator and alien scenes and skip the human parts, the movie can be pretty enjoyable.
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
I finally got around to watching it on my laptop after digitaly buying it off of amazon. I was very surprised that when I watched it on my laptop I didn't notice any lightning issues at all. Scenes that I remember watching that were so dark I couldn't tell what was happening I could see clear as daylight. For example I just now noticed that the love interest girl was cut in half by the predator. So if you just watch the all the predator and alien scenes and skip the human parts, the movie can be pretty enjoyable.
Yep, some of us experienced the very same effect with the blu-ray, and ultimately had lots of fun with it, once visibility was no longer an issue. :)
Pics or gtfo
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Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
For example I just now noticed that the love interest girl was cut in half by the predator.
That's actually a new thing they added for the unrated, not something you can now just see better.
Oh those whacky misogynistic Strauses.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 09, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
For example I just now noticed that the love interest girl was cut in half by the predator.
That's actually a new thing they added for the unrated, not something you can now just see better.
It's the fact one can see at all, that gets a thumbs up.
You could always see it.
Just very poorly.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 09, 2019, 10:36:25 PM
You could always see it.
Just very poorly.
Which is why we pay attention to this:
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
I didn't notice any lightning issues at all.
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You can't notice what you can't see.
When you remember watching things that were so dark you couldn't tell what was happening, and now you no longer have that problem through the entire movie...
I took some screenshots of scenes i remember not seeing well.
Still looks dark as f**k, no different from my Blu-ray.
Yeah those aren't great examples.
im still not a huge fan of the movie. i just gained a greater appreciation for some aspects of it because i could actual tell what was happening.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 09, 2019, 10:40:57 PM
Which is why we pay attention to this:
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
I didn't notice any lightning issues at all.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JoyousJollyIndochinesetiger-size_restricted.gif
I don't remember there being any problems with the lightning in the film. Aren't there only one or two strikes?
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 10, 2019, 12:36:03 AM
I took some screenshots of scenes i remember not seeing well.
That's exactly as bad as people have been talking about, though. There's so little contrast in the hive scene it's hard to tell what you're looking at. That trophy cabinet looks
worse than it does on my DVD copy.
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Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 10, 2019, 12:36:03 AM
I took some screenshots of scenes i remember not seeing well.
Nice screenshots! I'm glad you had a much better experience. Some see these small computer screenshots of dark, moody scenes not appearing like bright rays of sunshine some sort of validation of disdain, regardless of how encouraged you are with your new experience. I for one am glad with the new enjoyment you found with the improved visibility, nor will be pretentious to accuse the clarity you've experienced as fictitious. Cheers!
No one's saying the image improvement is fictitious. We acknowledged that it isn't, from DVD to Blu-ray. It's still badly lit and colour timed on a basic filmmaking level, any student would be ashamed of.
It's not dark and moody, it's just badly done and passed off as that. Alien is dark and moody, Covenant's dark and moody, Under The Skin's dark and moody, IWA Vampire's dark and moody- none of them are badly lit, or have severely f**ked up Blu-ray masters.
No one's saying there were not drastic problems Old One. But some people are saying while there were drastic problems, these problems were significantly improved with the blu-ray so much so it greatly improved our viewing experience. Myself, Huggs, Vermillion, MaineXeno. There's enough support here to validate credibility in the result.
It improved my viewing experience too, but not to the degree I would ever say;
"No lightning issues at all."
"Clear as daylight."
"Visibility was no longer an issue."
Making me think that there's a new release with the colour timing fixed that's been snuck under the radar, then posting screenshots identical to my Blu-ray causes frustration. Jus' hyperbolic statements because visibility is still an issue, the film is lit shamefully, a film student wouldn't get a C for lighting their film like Requiem.
Requiem's kind of amazing because I can't think of one basic filmmaking level it doesn't fail on, despite a good Predator design and the whip, the film has absolutely nothing going for it. It's the benchmark of bad for the A\/P Franchise.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 10, 2019, 03:54:20 AM
It improved my viewing experience too, but not to the degree I would ever say;
"No lightning issues at all."
"Clear as daylight."
"Visibility was no longer an issue."
Making me think that there's a new release with the colour timing fixed that's been snuck under the radar, then posting screenshots identical to my Blu-ray causes frustration. Jus' hyperbolic statements because visibility is still an issue, the film is lit shamefully, a film student wouldn't get a C for lighting their film like Requiem.
Requiem's kind of amazing because I can't think of one basic filmmaking level it doesn't fail on, despite a good Predator design and the whip, the film has absolutely nothing going for it. It's the benchmark of bad for the A\/P Franchise
Who's making comments like "Clear as daylight"? Now you're creating a strawman argument.
Many if us are just saying scenes are much more visible now, hence the increased enjoyment. No one would be compelled to say that, without originally recognizing the film's inherent problems with lighting. And no one's calling AVPR now the "Citizen Cane" of cinematography, regardless if Total Film, Entertainment Weekly and IGN all gave it a favorable review. So we have increased enjoyment now with the increased visibility. Just deal with it.
Citizen Kane.
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 09, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
Scenes that I remember watching that were so dark I couldn't tell what was happening I now could see clear as daylight.
Deal with it? Deal with the negativity. @Thread Title, after all.
Let's not get negative with each other guys, because nobody is likely to change their minds on this movie.
For my part, those screenshots still look a bit darker than my bluray. No, my copy doesn't look like Avatar. It's a dark movie, there's no disputing that. We've all seen the dvd, and know how bad it was. The bluray I have enables me to see all the details I couldn't on the dvd. Honestly, I can see just about everything. It's not what I'd call super bright, but I can now actually watch the movie, and that's good enough for me.
I need pics!!! And the Region coding of your Blu-ray, this may be a case of "Here spikey." again, but I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 10, 2019, 03:20:52 AM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 10, 2019, 12:36:03 AM
I took some screenshots of scenes i remember not seeing well.
Nice screenshots! I'm glad you had a much better experience. Some see these small computer screenshots of dark, moody scenes not appearing like bright rays of sunshine some sort of validation of disdain, regardless of how encouraged you are with your new experience. I for one am glad with the new enjoyment you found with the improved visibility, nor will be pretentious to accuse the clarity you've experienced as fictitious. Cheers!
What an remarkably idiotic comment.
I know brother. There's people saying we can see AVPR better and it's increased our enjoyment, including us, and we're literally having others here saying essentially "no you can't".
Say you don't see a difference, fine. It might be device driven. Fine. But don't tell us we're wrong/crazy.
Quote from: SM on Feb 10, 2019, 04:43:28 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 10, 2019, 03:20:52 AM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 10, 2019, 12:36:03 AM
I took some screenshots of scenes i remember not seeing well.
Nice screenshots! I'm glad you had a much better experience. Some see these small computer screenshots of dark, moody scenes not appearing like bright rays of sunshine some sort of validation of disdain, regardless of how encouraged you are with your new experience. I for one am glad with the new enjoyment you found with the improved visibility, nor will be pretentious to accuse the clarity you've experienced as fictitious. Cheers!
What an remarkably idiotic comment.
Reported
QuoteI know brother. There's people saying we can see AVPR better and it's increased our enjoyment, including us, and we're literally having others here saying essentially "no you can't".
You just topped it. Kudos.
Wow...
Where is anyone saying "no you can't see it better"?
Those of us who can't see shit on our blu-rays and are saying "we can't see shit on our blu-rays". No one is asking for "bright rays of sunshine". I said a few pages back 'the whip is a cool weapon - can't see it'.
The caps MaineXeno posted are extraordinarily dark and don't help his argument.
You already downplayed yourself with insulting me. You're out of my realm now brother.
How convenient.
Quote from: SM on Feb 10, 2019, 04:55:00 AM
Don't expect idiotic post to be taken seriously then I guess.
Caught before you edited it. Not stooping to your level.
So Voodoo Magic gets a little overpassionate, overzealous- yes indeed SM's correct in;
Quote from: SM on Feb 10, 2019, 04:51:16 AM
Where is anyone saying "no you can't see it better"?
Those of us who can't see shit on our blu-rays and are saying "we can't see shit on our blu-rays". No one is asking for "bright rays of sunshine". I said a few pages back 'the whip is a cool weapon - can't see it'.
The caps MaineXeno posted are extraordinarily dark and don't help his argument.
This.
But that's no reason to insult VM three times in a row.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 10, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 10, 2019, 04:55:00 AM
Don't expect idiotic post to be taken seriously then I guess.
Caught before you edited it. Not stooping to your level.
Reported before it was edited. Everybody needs to just chill. Folks are getting huffy over the brightness levels of a 12 year old film. It ain't worth it anymore.
Hey man, I'm just surprised this is the straw that broke the camel's back, when Canon "arguments" OnePersonInDenial have gone on for DAYS at a time. I guess AVPR really is the worst. :laugh:
You speak the truth Huggsy. Sorry for my part in being huffy. Love you brother. You too Old One, no matter how heated our debates get sis. ;)
Way to miss the point of the edit button...
:laugh:
Sometimes it's more than that and you know it, Mister; "my opinion is the correct one" in this instance and if I can't refute your point of view, I'll just laugh at it with the emoji.
Y'know what whatever, I'm out.
QuoteSometimes it's more than that and you know it, Mister; "my opinion is the correct one" in this instance and if I can't refute your point of view, I'll just laugh at it with the emoji.
And that's not at all disingenuous...
Everyone needs to chill and perhaps reread this https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0
Namely this: - Be Nice & Respecful. Be nice to other members. While a forum is for debating issues, just plain insulting people will not be tolerated.
and this - Think About What You're Posting. If what you're posting is offensive, insensitive or etc, please don't post it. Use your common sense.
Disagreements is no reason be uncivil with one another.
Indeed. Let's chill out please folk.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 10, 2019, 04:37:54 AM
Let's not get negative with each other guys, because nobody is likely to change their minds on this movie.
Very true.
Also for all the shit I can say about Requiem or AVP or Resurrection or Predator films or whatever, the fact is aesthetics debates will never be as important as respecting fellow human beings.
And respecting fellow human beings comes with the respect they can like (or dislike) something we don't like (or do like).
Reminds me of a time when a friend of mine talked so much shit about the Lord of the Rings movies I could not watch the trilogy anymore. My enjoyment of these movies was ruined. That's a feeling I don't want to feel ever again, and I don't want other people to have such feelings either. :-[
I got that from people hating on Prometheus, a certain someone anyway that felt the need to impose their misery on others, it irreversibly ruined any potential enjoyment I had of it, for some time. Regardless of the writing quality. Artistically and aesthetically it was inspirational beforehand.
Your friend's a moron BTW, LOTR's as close to cinematic perfection as it gets- there's not a single damn scene that's not excellent.
I agree. Unlike The Hobbit (massacre of such a good book :( ), Jackson's adaptation of Lord of the Rings is a complete masterpiece.
And I'm so sorry that you were brought to feel that way about Prometheus, especially since I love this movie so much. I faced the criticism towards this movie, too, in French cinema forums it's universally mocked for its relatively bad writing, but I fell in love with the movie the first time I watched it, and with each rewatching I love it a little more.
How does one get turned off a movie one likes because other people trashed it?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 01:09:18 AM
the need to impose their misery on others
Yeah, it surprisingly really can be toxic. I've read that it happens to be a reoccurring trait among chronically unhappy people, and can be very detrimental to emotionally healthy individuals, in an manner almost like second hand smoke.
That or some people are going through tough times in their personal life and sometimes they end up blowing off some steam here, some times unintentionally.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 01:53:12 AM
How does one get turned off a movie one likes because other people trashed it?
Indeed! How can that be possible ??? If someone doesn't like something that I enjoy, I don't give a f**k. It's just my subjective taste/opinion. The end.
The only answers that come to my mind are:
A) The guy/gal is very insecure, to the point that he/she can change his/her opinion only for the sake of fit with a group of people or single important individual.
B) The film, indeed, does have flaws, and the person who enjoyed it feels a bit (without the intention of offending) silly after someone else showed him/her the details that he/she couldn't identify at first. There is nothing bad with being wrong, but ultimately it can be a hard blow to the ego, I guess.
C) The key is in the language and tone with which something is being communicated. Insults, of course, are not necessary to emphasize in point. Even so, I'm struggling to figure out how that can ruin a movie for you. Although undoubtedly, this can f**k your experience in forums.
Quite.
The new Star Wars films get trashed almost constantly here. It's not difficult to just generally avoid reading that thread. And even if I were stupid enough to argue with everyone on that thread, I don't imagine it's going to make not like the new Star Wars films.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2019, 02:35:31 AM
Indeed! How can that be possible ??? If someone doesn't like something that I enjoy, I don't give a f**k. It's just my subjetive taste/opinion. The end.
The only answers that come to my mind are:
A co-worker of mine who gave up smoking cold-turkey has been mocking another co-worker for not being able to kick the habbit after several attempts. He assumes since it was easy for him, it should be easy for anyone, like we all are psychological and philosophical cut from the same cookie-cutter.
Why do spouses abused often stay with their abusers, when if it was me, I would just leave? Why when I drink I can have a good time and stop whenever I want, but others adopt violent behavior when they drink sometimes under the influence of only certain types of alcohol, while even others become full blown alcoholics? Why are some stress eaters and others can't eat under stress? Why do some have anxiety attacks when confronted and others are calm as can be?
Specifically there has been psychological studies how negativity can be toxic to others. If one can withstand it, good on them. But I believe if anyone looks for all the answers in one's own mind, as a construct of one-size-fits-all set rules, one will never find them.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 02:44:55 AM
The new Star Wars films get trashed almost constantly here. It's not difficult to just generally avoid reading that thread.
Well, as someone once said...
"When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger."
So, I agree. There are threads that it is better to avoid for a while.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 11, 2019, 03:59:11 AM
Specifically there has been psychological studies how negativity can be toxic to others. If one can withstand it, good on them. But I believe if anyone looks for all the answers in one's own mind, as a construct of one-size-fits-all set rules, one will never find them.
I have seen people who feel the need to transmit their hate for things to others here at AVP Galaxy. Yes, it is very toxic. It's as if they were experiencing some kind of sadistic pleasure while harassing people or something, and it must be reported immediately. But I believe that one has to have healthy self-esteem without falling into egocentrism. No one is perfect, and there is nothing wrong with making mistakes or in liking something that others hate. Even if the one who hates that thing you like is somehow important to you. Just my opinion of course.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2019, 03:59:47 AM
I have seen people who feel the need to transmit their hate for things to others here at AVP Galaxy. Yes, it is very toxic. It's as if they were experiencing some kind of sadistic pleasure while harassing people or something, and it must be reported immediately. But I believe that one has to have healthy self-esteem without falling into egocentrism. No one is perfect, and there is nothing wrong with making mistakes or in liking something that others hate. Even if the one who hates that thing you like is somehow important to you. Just my opinion of course.
Cheers. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 11, 2019, 04:20:47 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2019, 03:59:47 AM
I have seen people who feel the need to transmit their hate for things to others here at AVP Galaxy. Yes, it is very toxic. It's as if they were experiencing some kind of sadistic pleasure while harassing people or something, and it must be reported immediately. But I believe that one has to have healthy self-esteem without falling into egocentrism. No one is perfect, and there is nothing wrong with making mistakes or in liking something that others hate. Even if the one who hates that thing you like is somehow important to you. Just my opinion of course.
Cheers. :)
I know it is not easy, but sometimes it is better to avoid toxic discussions and not give too much importance to the opinions of others. Especially when such words come from hostile people. :)
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Toxicity is easier to avoid online, and while the comparison between workplace harassment/ domestic abuse and someone trashing a movie you like, is asinine, granted yes, escaping toxicity in real life can be much more difficult, and something I had not originally considered.
Yeah. There is no excuse for not doing it online (avoid a thread that became a shit hole), and the site itself makes it easier for you (ignore button). But as you have said, it's more complicated when it comes to real life. But it is very helpful, nonetheless.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 04:39:13 AM
Toxicity is easier to avoid online, and while the comparison between workplace harassment/ domestic abuse and someone trashing a movie you like, is asinine, granted yes, escaping toxicity in real life can be much more difficult, and something I had not originally considered.
Reported.
... why would you report that? Likening trashing a movie to freakin' domestic abuse is asinine. ???
I've got to agree. Lets cool down and stop taking everything personal.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2019, 11:17:17 AM
... why would you report that? Likening trashing a movie to freakin' domestic abuse is asinine. ???
SiL. This is the one time I reply to this with you. Anyone can see without an agenda that I was making a general larger statement about people not psychological and philosophical cut from the same cookie-cutter, with numerous examples. It is unacceptable to still come at me with insults.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2019, 11:19:17 AM
I've got to agree. Lets cool down and stop taking everything personal.
The suggestion is I cool down, based on what you see in this thread Hicks?
He didn't "come at you" with an insult, but. He called an asinine comparison an asinine comparison.
Calling you asinine would be an insult.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
He didn't "come at you" with an insult, but. He called an asinine comparison an asinine comparison.
Calling you asinine would be an insult.
Ok brothers SiL&SM, removing context and picking something like this out and calling it a comparison, to find some fictitious higher ground is juvenille, amatuer, idiotic, and asinine.
Enough already. Everyone needs to stop attempting to antagonizing each other. There's no need for it. Please don't make me lock this.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
"When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger."
Sounds more like digging your heels in, when maybe you should consider "What if they're correct and I'm incorrect?" Then look at the evidence.
In the case of Prometheus I was wrong, it isn't excellently written and there's no deeper, hidden meaning in it's writing- the way that realisation was brought about was kind of toxic- but the reality itself is enlightening not obfuscating.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 01:14:44 PM
In the case of Prometheus I was wrong, it isn't excellently written and there's no deeper, hidden meaning in it's writing- the way that realisation was brought about was kind of toxic- but the reality itself is enlightening not obfuscating.
So when you say "I was wrong", is it solely for thinking Prometheus was more than what it was? Or was it more broader than that, as in you were wrong for liking it?
And was there a time you preferred Prometheus over Covenant?
No, this was before Covenant existed.
No, not for loving it but subsequently it impacted that love of it, narratively. I thought I understood Prometheus on a "deeper level" than others.
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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
No, this was before Covenant existed.
No, not for loving it but subsequently it impacted that love of it, narratively. I thought I understood Prometheus on a "deeper level" than others.
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Interesting. Whenever you're up to it one day, I would learn more of what those perceived deeper level understandings were, and then what subsequently dispelled them. :)
Mhm, PM.
I'm rewatching the movie for an article, and just to go back to the "How many Aliens are there?" issue:
There are literally three Aliens, including Chet, when the police station has apparently been taken out. Darcy doesn't discover Carrie until immediately after Eddie can't raise Dispatch.
In the theatrical cut, Carrie has already popped; the offspring may be adults for all we know. In the unrated, they're just popping when she walks in.
AvPR actually turns into a wonderful example of how unnecessary special effects can actually interfere with your story and make it worse. If they'd left Carrie as already popped, the following scene of Wolf hearing the chaos in the streets makes sense; with the babies fresh, we're left with a situation where everyone's being overrun by... Chestbursters?
That would be funny to watch.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 03:02:32 PM
Mhm, PM.
Ping me a copy/paste if you don't mind, i don't think we've ever discussed that fully.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 17, 2019, 05:23:58 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 03:02:32 PM
Mhm, PM.
Ping me a copy/paste if you don't mind, i don't think we've ever discussed that fully.
Nope. Still waiting...
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AVP-R is definitely in my top 10 of worst movies of all time.
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 18, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
AVP-R is definitely in my top 10 of worst movies of all time.
Your top 10 of worst movies.... is also your worst 10 of best movies...
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What!?!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2019, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 18, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
AVP-R is definitely in my top 10 of worst movies of all time.
Your top 10 of worst movies.... is also your worst 10 of best movies...
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Aha! I've known that!
Personally AvPR looks better and all the intense blacks look more detailed and reveiled on Blu-ray and on an OLED. I mean in comparison to how the first film looks the second one is just so much more pretty and violent. Plus the wolf Predator was extremely badass and it felt and looked more like a Predator. At first watch in theaters and in early years I hated AvPR but over the years it's grown on me and it's aged particularly well for being hailed as such a bad film. I like it.
The idea Wolf's a badass is a myth.
Wolf is just another victim of the plot.
Indeed, the plot, the plot, the plot.
In my headcanon of the unrated version Wolf called for backup after finding out aliens were onboard the ship but he decided to try to deal with the aliens while the others were on the way. The skinning part can't be solved that was pointless. At the end the Predalien should have knocked Wolf's mask off instead, none of that homage there, and Wolf should have activated the self-destruct before going melee on the Predalien. Better than the RE2 ending with goverment.
With some fights, the plot demanded Wolf to make mistakes otherwise he would have killed all the aliens on the sewers, and no more movie. Hell if the Predator that shoot the ship was smart he would just self destruct instead of sending a distress call, but then again no more movie.
The whole premise was a mess from the start, why that scout ship even went back to Earth? Several elements of the plot would need to be changed, reason for the ship's crash(no shooting plasma inside on it), Wolf could have been already hunting on Earth and decided to check on the crash, other Predators couldn't arrive on time etc.
Old One needs to grace us with the tale of her disillusionment with prommy already
...as in Prometheus? We're...
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:37:03 AM
In my headcanon of the unrated version Wolf called for backup after finding out aliens were onboard the ship but he decided to try to deal with the aliens while the others were on the way. The skinning part can't be solved that was pointless. At the end the Predalien should have knocked Wolf's mask off instead, none of that homage there, and Wolf should have activated the self-destruct before going melee on the Predalien. Better than the RE2 ending with goverment.
With some fights, the plot demanded Wolf to make mistakes otherwise he would have killed all the aliens on the sewers, and no more movie. Hell if the Predator that shoot the ship was smart he would just self destruct instead of sending a distress call, but then again no more movie.
The whole premise was a mess from the start, why that scout ship even went back to Earth? Several elements of the plot would need to be changed, reason for the ship's crash(no shooting plasma inside on it), Wolf could have been already hunting on Earth and decided to check on the crash, other Predators couldn't arrive on time etc.
I don't think you would really want to savor the time and try to repair anything of Requiem's. I get a lot of enjoyment out of the unrated version of AvPR even if it's just bits and pieces added here and there. Wolf was the true star of the show and I love Tom Woodruff's acting performance in the Pred-Alien suit. Takes me back to the Alien 3 days when he played the runner Alien. Even if the acting is off or a bit corny I really find the action makes up for the misplacement of plot or character development. The Aliens getting ripped to shreds by a lone Predator is cool enough to keep my attention. The R rating and gore I think honestly really helped staple the film as a line you don't cross especially when you see the Pred-Alien impregnate that pregnant woman. That gets trolled on and memed a lot to this day. I love horror movies in general so maybe thats why the cheap slasher factor to it doesn't bother me.
Hey, I have fun watching AvPR, way more fun than watching AvP.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Hey, I have fun watching AvPR, way more fun than watching AvP.
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I definitely can. As i've said before, requiem might suck but avp is just a featureless dull blob.
I have more fun watching AvP.
I really try. I just can't get into it, regardless of how i approach it.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 22, 2019, 02:05:20 AM
I really try. I just can't get into it, regardless of how i approach it.
Me either. It's just too watered down.
Avpr has its flaws, but it's hardcore like an avp should be.
Hear! Hear!
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 21, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Hey, I have fun watching AvPR, way more fun than watching AvP.
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I definitely can. As i've said before, requiem might suck but avp is just a featureless dull blob.
AvP:R at least has many featureless dull blobs.
Most of them are characters and monsters.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2019, 04:55:57 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 21, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Hey, I have fun watching AvPR, way more fun than watching AvP.
https://media.giphy.com/media/mCxZH1Bi9o2aY/giphy.gif
I definitely can. As i've said before, requiem might suck but avp is just a featureless dull blob.
AvP:R at least has many featureless dull blobs.
Most of them are characters and monsters.
You like AVPR, don't you SM?
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:37:03 AM
In my headcanon of the unrated version Wolf called for backup after finding out aliens were onboard the ship but he decided to try to deal with the aliens while the others were on the way. The skinning part can't be solved that was pointless. At the end the Predalien should have knocked Wolf's mask off instead, none of that homage there, and Wolf should have activated the self-destruct before going melee on the Predalien. Better than the RE2 ending with goverment.
With some fights, the plot demanded Wolf to make mistakes otherwise he would have killed all the aliens on the sewers, and no more movie. Hell if the Predator that shoot the ship was smart he would just self destruct instead of sending a distress call, but then again no more movie.
The whole premise was a mess from the start, why that scout ship even went back to Earth? Several elements of the plot would need to be changed, reason for the ship's crash(no shooting plasma inside on it), Wolf could have been already hunting on Earth and decided to check on the crash, other Predators couldn't arrive on time etc.
Wolf's self destruct device does look it gets damaged in the fight with the Predalien, just before he takes his mask off. The town gets nuked anyway.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 05:07:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2019, 04:55:57 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 21, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Hey, I have fun watching AvPR, way more fun than watching AvP.
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I definitely can. As i've said before, requiem might suck but avp is just a featureless dull blob.
AvP:R at least has many featureless dull blobs.
Most of them are characters and monsters.
You like AVPR, don't you SM?
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He doesn't dislike it as much as he feels he probably should
No I dislike it about right.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 05:07:50 AM
You like AVPR, don't you SM?
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Quote from: SM on Apr 03, 2019, 09:35:24 AM
No I dislike it about right.
And it took you more than a week to decide? Suspiciousssss.
He had to rewatch the movie one more time to decide.
Why you answered for him? Is it so painful to watch AVPR that it take more than a week to get through it?
Sssstil suspiciousssssss.
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Its hard to take all those minutes all at once. Mostly people do it slowly. Mostly.
What's not to like?
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 03, 2019, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 05:07:50 AM
You like AVPR, don't you SM?
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Quote from: SM on Apr 03, 2019, 09:35:24 AM
No I dislike it about right.
And it took you more than a week to decide? Suspiciousssss.
What? I responded two hours after CB's post.
I think the previous post quoting you was a few days old and that's what he's driving at.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Apr 03, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
I think the previous post quoting you was a few days old and that's what he's driving at.
Yep. My attempts of humour are horrible. Sorry for that.
@OP, because it's not good, it's not even competently filmed.
After watching The Predator, I thought about AvP-R fondly
LOL. That's a pity.
Requiem gave us Wolf, a pretty damn cool predator concept. Could the fight storyboarding have been better (more situational awareness by Wolf, less flailing/waddling by the aliens)? Yes, but I feel the Strause bros didn't try to f**k with the predator/aliens formula too much, despite budgetary pressure.
The Predator gave us the cringe-inducing Iron Predator, and had characters and situations even sillier than Requiem (this is hard). The scene where the two guys shoot each other, yeah...
AVP Requiem over The Predator all day long!
Quote from: happypred on Oct 05, 2019, 01:27:38 AM
Requiem gave us Wolf, a pretty damn cool predator concept. Could the fight storyboarding have been better (more situational awareness by Wolf, less flailing/waddling by the aliens)? Yes, but I feel the Strause bros didn't try to f**k with the predator/aliens formula too much, despite budgetary pressure.
The Predator gave us the cringe-inducing Iron Predator, and had characters and situations even sillier than Requiem (this is hard). The scene where the two guys shoot each other, yeah...
I liked that scene.
In fact I liked The Predator - despite its myriad problems - more than AvP:R. It's good fun for the majority of its runtime, and AvP:R isn't.
Yeah, even with it's issues, Shane Black > Strause Bros, but I don't intend on watching either of them, again honestly.
Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2019, 04:58:53 AM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 05, 2019, 01:27:38 AM
Requiem gave us Wolf, a pretty damn cool predator concept. Could the fight storyboarding have been better (more situational awareness by Wolf, less flailing/waddling by the aliens)? Yes, but I feel the Strause bros didn't try to f**k with the predator/aliens formula too much, despite budgetary pressure.
The Predator gave us the cringe-inducing Iron Predator, and had characters and situations even sillier than Requiem (this is hard). The scene where the two guys shoot each other, yeah...
I liked that scene.
In fact I liked The Predator - despite its myriad problems - more than AvP:R. It's good fun for the majority of its runtime, and AvP:R isn't.
f**king amen to that !
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 05, 2019, 01:33:48 AM
AVP Requiem over The Predator all day long!
No
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 05, 2019, 01:33:48 AM
AVP Requiem over The Predator all day long!
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I hate it because it's sh*t.
I don't go in with the expectation that The Predator would be worse than Requiem...but I genuinely feel that The Predator butchers the franchise even more
I honestly still don't get the angle they were trying to go for. It's like...an action movie with an awkward amount of science fiction and horror. I'm hoping that it will grow on me with time.
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 09, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
I honestly still don't get the angle they were trying to go for. It's like...an action movie with an awkward amount of science fiction and horror. I'm hoping that it will grow on me with time.
If you mean Requiem, it makes a lot of sense as The Blob II. A lot less as an Alien or Predator movie.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 09, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 09, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
I honestly still don't get the angle they were trying to go for. It's like...an action movie with an awkward amount of science fiction and horror. I'm hoping that it will grow on me with time.
If you mean Requiem, it makes a lot of sense as The Blob II. A lot less as an Alien or Predator movie.
I
think Wysps is talking The Predator. She's already had plenty of time for AvPR to grow on her. :)
Everybody who think Requiem is better than The Predator is out of their goddamn minds .
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Quote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Everybody who think Requiem is better than The Predator is out of their goddamn minds .
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https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/number-7-alien.gif
(https://i.imgur.com/ZV1bIUP.png)
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 09, 2019, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Everybody who think Requiem is better than The Predator is out of their goddamn minds .
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ov9jEATXyDoR1balG/giphy.gif
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/number-7-alien.gif
(https://i.imgur.com/ZV1bIUP.png)
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 10:56:26 PM
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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LividConsciousCondor-size_restricted.gif
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ecd51da41065af6781367ed117651702/tenor.gif?itemid=15118265
(https://i.imgflip.com/3cuxh6.jpg)
There's only one?
I knew it.
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I'm worthy of a whole army of The Predator fans ! ;D
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:36:16 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/l4gg9Ep.jpg)
;D
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 01:36:16 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 09, 2019, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Everybody who think Requiem is better than The Predator is out of their goddamn minds .
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ov9jEATXyDoR1balG/giphy.gif
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/number-7-alien.gif
(https://i.imgur.com/ZV1bIUP.png)
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 09, 2019, 10:56:26 PM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/U1aN4HTfJ2SmgB2BBK/source.gif)
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LividConsciousCondor-size_restricted.gif
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ecd51da41065af6781367ed117651702/tenor.gif?itemid=15118265
(https://i.imgflip.com/3cuxh6.jpg)
So AvP:R fans are incoherent narcissistic imbeciles?
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 02:31:24 AM
So AvP:R fans are incoherent narcissistic imbeciles?
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Just checking.
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Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 02:31:24 AM
So AvP:R fans are incoherent narcissistic imbeciles?
Then, The Predator fans are Nordic girls who blaming humanity for destroying nature just for not going to school ?
I'm still The Predator fan btw .
Kradan is confirmed nordic girl. Me orange man bad. :laugh:
Well in The Predator, the Preds have been hunting on Earth more frequently cos they realize climate change. So...
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 02:31:24 AM
So AvP:R fans are incoherent narcissistic imbeciles?
Are they now?
Let's keep the insulting fan generalizations and the GIFs to a minimum, everyone.
Don't look at me. I didn't post the dumb meme.
I'm not a fan of The Predator, but I don't need to be a fan to understand why it's better than AVPR. Both movies are bad. However, The Predator is like the least of evils. It has better cinematography, better story, better creature design and better casting. It is objectively superior. On the other hand, which one you like best is something else.
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 03:40:32 AM
Don't look at me. I didn't post the dumb meme.
So, if one make a meme for fun, somehow is worse than insulting people? that's weird. :laugh:
Quite.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2019, 03:44:44 AM
I'm not a fan of The Predator, but I don't need to be a fan to understand why it's better than AVPR. Both movies are bad. However, The Predator is like the least of evils. It has better cinematography, better story, better creature design and better casting. It is objectively superior. On the other hand, which one you like best is something else.
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 03:40:32 AM
Don't look at me. I didn't post the dumb meme.
So, if one make a meme for fun, somehow is worse than insulting people? that's weird. :laugh:
I didn't liken AvP:R fans to Trump - whoever made the dumb meme did.
But you knew that.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 09, 2019, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 09, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 09, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
I honestly still don't get the angle they were trying to go for. It's like...an action movie with an awkward amount of science fiction and horror. I'm hoping that it will grow on me with time.
If you mean Requiem, it makes a lot of sense as The Blob II. A lot less as an Alien or Predator movie.
I think Wysps is talking The Predator. She's already had plenty of time for AvPR to grow on her. :)
Right. I think enough time has passed for that ship to have sailed for AvPR LOL. Though I still include it in my yearly rotation when I re-watch the series. It's painful every year :'(
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 10, 2019, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 09, 2019, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 09, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 09, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
I honestly still don't get the angle they were trying to go for. It's like...an action movie with an awkward amount of science fiction and horror. I'm hoping that it will grow on me with time.
If you mean Requiem, it makes a lot of sense as The Blob II. A lot less as an Alien or Predator movie.
I think Wysps is talking The Predator. She's already had plenty of time for AvPR to grow on her. :)
Right. I think enough time has passed for that ship to have sailed for AvPR LOL. Though I still include it in my yearly rotation when I re-watch the series. It's painful every year :'(
An annual rite of passage! ;)
Being intoxicated helps a lot.
You guys gotta stop watching the DVD. ;D
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
You guys gotta stop watching the DVD. ;D
It makes all the difference!
DVD
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Blu-ray
(https://y.yarn.co/98648d91-3ea2-4a50-8378-bd5cdbc94f3e_text.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
You guys gotta stop watching the DVD. ;D
It makes all the difference!
DVD
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/a9/27/b8a927b48410015b9827c3963a1e5474.gif
Blu-ray
https://y.yarn.co/98648d91-3ea2-4a50-8378-bd5cdbc94f3e_text.gif
Indeed.
AVP: Requiem DVD
(https://i.imgur.com/ShjKzxL.png)
AVP: Requiem Blu-ray
(https://i.imgur.com/Vda4V9L.jpg)
Why you low down dirty rat bast...
Okay, that was funny :laugh:
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2019, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
You guys gotta stop watching the DVD. ;D
It makes all the difference!
DVD
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/a9/27/b8a927b48410015b9827c3963a1e5474.gif
Blu-ray
https://y.yarn.co/98648d91-3ea2-4a50-8378-bd5cdbc94f3e_text.gif
Indeed.
AVP: Requiem DVD
https://i.imgur.com/ShjKzxL.png
AVP: Requiem Blu-ray
(https://i.imgur.com/Vda4V9L.jpg)
Well played :D
If I included both the DVD and Blu-Ray in the "annul rite of passage" (lol Voodoo), maybe I could look for this reported difference between the two. Alas, that would mean twice the vice and too many AvPR's for my liking :(
Honestly, playing the DVD with a bit of goofing with brightness and contrast settings yields essentially the same results as the bluray. It's still trash but you can see more suit details.
And either version is still less bland and insipid than AvP (2004).
At least in AVP you can see what the hell is going on and it doesn't look like two amateurs shot it in a couple of days.
Oh, and Lance Henriksen.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kkc4_9YIqI0/hqdefault.jpg)
Better acted character .
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 11, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
At least in AVP you can see what the hell is going on and it doesn't look like two amateurs shot it in a couple of days.
Oh, and Lance Henriksen.
Being utterly bland and forgettable is a greater sin than being memorably trashy IMO.
Personally I greatly pefer AvP. There are a few great visuals atleast imo and there is a certain entertainment value to it. Scientists on an adventure into the artic to dicover an ancient alien pyramid is far less bland than small town America, pizza boys, and highschool bully problems..
And yet I can remember that the generic teen protagonist was called Ricky. The only character name I can remember from AvP is Weyland, which... isn't really from AvP is it?
I didnt even know pizza boy had a name.
Ricky Howard. Born October 29, 1986.
Died after murdering a woman and mutilating her cat.
I think I prefer AvP just because you can actually see what the f**k is going on. It IS pretty bland and I think it becomes pretty boring once all the nameless mercs are taken out.
AvP2 had the best death scene when cheerleader girl is shuriken'd to the wall.
They are both I have nothing better to do on a rainy day movies that probably killed any kind of chance for a legit AvP movie to be made.
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Yeah, it just looks awful.
Yeah... its only too dark if you compare it to any other professionally lit film.
I watched a bit of it last night and within seconds you have a shot of the PredAlien (may its name by forever cursed) sloughing off its skin. Or at least I assume that's what's going on. For a casual punter it's a few seconds of 'what?'
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 13, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Yeah... its only too dark if you compare it to any other professionally lit film.
I've seen a lot of low(er) budget sci-fi horror movies that had a hell of a lot better lighting than AVP-R.
It's the grading rather than the lighting.
I'm not claiming it looks good, but you can definitely see 95% of things just fine, and where you can't, it's the editing and grading as much as it is the lighting.
It's done badly, but people exaggerate just how badly for comedic effect and believe their own jokes. The bit SM mentions during the opening on the Pred ship is probably the worst offender over all - most of the rest of the film just looks like shit but is entirely legible.
From the scene where the homeless people get attacked in the sewer onward many scenes have a generally feeling of murk about them - even when you can see what's going on; like Molly's bedroom playing with her night vision goggles. The arrival of the Predator and sewer scenes I think also suffer from bad lighting as well as grading. Some shots that could've looked great if properly lit, just look like vague black shapes with a few highlights.
When even the daylight scenes look murky, you know you're in trouble.
Like when it seems to be full night outside in Rickey' first scene in the pizza shop - but the scenes either side are still daylight.
The argument "AVP:R so damn dark WTF " will never die
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Maybe because it's true?
Never doubt that
After hearing that it's supposed to by fine on Blu-ray I wondered if I'd ever watched it on Blu-ray on a TV rather than a computer screen.
So I started watching it and remembered I had watched it on TV years ago, and it's far from fine.
Isn't there programs that allow you alter stuff like grading and brightness on a video file? Who is taking one for the team? Over 10 years and no fan edit to fix it? Are we all casuals?
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Honestly, to be fair, no matter how I mess with the settings, brightness all the way up, I
can't see sh*t on my legit streaming digital copy of AvPR through Google Play on my Samsung Galaxy phone. So there is legitimacy to some of the complaints.
Streaming:(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Unrated Blu-ray:(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Could have something to do with Region. I won't purchase a newer release of the dvd just because it's Requiem, but on the American release unless I f**k around with the settings, I can't see shit.
My Blu-ray doesn't look anywhere near as bright as Voodoo's, but the higher dynamic range and more fine detail makes seeing things easier on the format than on DVD.
I've personally come to a conclusion in regards to the unrated blu-ray that results are likely device driven. That's why people like myself, Huggsy, cancerblack and Vermillion can see it just fine while others "can't see sh*t". And me playing this on a 4K UHD TV with HDR through a 4K player that likely upscales, seems to produce top-tier results
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2019, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Honestly, to be fair, no matter how I mess with the settings, brightness all the way up, I can't see sh*t on my legit streaming digital copy of AvPR through Google Play on my Samsung Galaxy phone. So there is legitimacy to some of the complaints.
Streaming:
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Unrated Blu-ray:
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
You keep using the same pics as some sort of proof that the unrated blu-ray isn't as dark as other avp-r blu-ray releases, but I guess you are the only one who got a good copy then, judging the reviews of this disc elsewhere.
My Dutch blu-ray for example, also released by FOX, didn't look like this at all.
Let's see some pics of the beginning, where the predalien kills and escapes the spaceship, or the hobo's/aliens in the tunnels? They should be brighter too then, right?
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 15, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2019, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Honestly, to be fair, no matter how I mess with the settings, brightness all the way up, I can't see sh*t on my legit streaming digital copy of AvPR through Google Play on my Samsung Galaxy phone. So there is legitimacy to some of the complaints.
Streaming:
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Unrated Blu-ray:
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
You keep using the same pics as some sort of proof that the unrated blu-ray isn't as dark as other avp-r blu-ray releases, but I guess you are the only one who got a good copy then, judging the reviews of this disc elsewhere.
My Dutch blu-ray for example, also released by FOX, didn't look like this at all.
Let's see some pics of the beginning, where the predalien kills and escapes the spaceship, or the hobo's/aliens in the tunnels? They should be brighter too then, right?
P-Rock. Not loving the tone. And you got to slow down and read brother. I just literally finished saying I think better visibility results are
device driven but you come in saying that I'm suggesting here that the unrated blu is better than the blu (I'm not), that I'm suggesting the results are disc driven and there are good copies and bad (I'm not), and angling that I'm the only one having good results (I'm not. You have other names).
And who takes camera pics of their TV while watching the movie just because? I've said before the reason why I use this pic is because it's the only one's I have, taken to try to solve the riddle on a different thread if the Shuriken was spinning in the correct direction when it impales Jesse.
I'll be happy to take other pics or even video for someone who's curious and friendly, but not for the way you're coming at me brother.
I don't think taking pictures is necessary but u should fight to the death instead.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 15, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 15, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2019, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Honestly, to be fair, no matter how I mess with the settings, brightness all the way up, I can't see sh*t on my legit streaming digital copy of AvPR through Google Play on my Samsung Galaxy phone. So there is legitimacy to some of the complaints.
Streaming:
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Unrated Blu-ray:
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
You keep using the same pics as some sort of proof that the unrated blu-ray isn't as dark as other avp-r blu-ray releases, but I guess you are the only one who got a good copy then, judging the reviews of this disc elsewhere.
My Dutch blu-ray for example, also released by FOX, didn't look like this at all.
Let's see some pics of the beginning, where the predalien kills and escapes the spaceship, or the hobo's/aliens in the tunnels? They should be brighter too then, right?
P-Rock. Not loving the tone. And you got to slow down and read brother. I just literally finished saying I think better visibility results are device driven but you come in saying that I'm suggesting here that the unrated blu is better than the blu (I'm not), that I'm suggesting the results are disc driven and there are good copies and bad (I'm not), and angling that I'm the only one having good results (I'm not. You have other names).
And who takes camera pics of their TV while watching the movie just because? I've said before the reason why I use this pic is because it's the only one's I have, taken to try to solve the riddle on a different thread if the Shuriken was spinning in the correct direction when it impales Jesse.
I'll be happy to take other pics or even video for someone who's curious and friendly, but not for the way you're coming at me brother.
I didn't mean to sound rude, sorry. I just wondered if the rest of the movie looks like that as well on your set-up. Could be device driven, I dunno. My set-up is simple. The blu-ray I used to own was awful though and I don't think Fox would release multiple versions for such a low budget and badly received movie.
P-rock now is not time to back down, now is the time to fold that dvd in half and stab somebody in the neck with it!
The final scene with Yutani - you could barely see her face it was so dark. And that was a daylight scene, that I assume was properly lit.
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2019, 04:04:37 AM
The final scene with Yutani - you could barely see her face it was so dark. And that was a daylight scene, that I assume was properly lit.
I think that was on purpose.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 16, 2019, 02:47:15 AM
P-rock now is not time to back down, now is the time to fold that dvd in half and stab somebody in the neck with it!
I already used it as a coaster!
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2019, 04:04:37 AM
The final scene with Yutani - you could barely see her face it was so dark. And that was a daylight scene, that I assume was properly lit.
I cannot say I've ever had that particular problem. She's always been pretty visible to me.
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 15, 2019, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 15, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 15, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2019, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 13, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
I genuinely don't get the "can't see shit" memes, I've only ever had trouble seeing things on pirate copies. Cinematic and legit home media copies are dimly lit, sure, but you can pick the various creatures and characters out just fine.
Honestly, to be fair, no matter how I mess with the settings, brightness all the way up, I can't see sh*t on my legit streaming digital copy of AvPR through Google Play on my Samsung Galaxy phone. So there is legitimacy to some of the complaints.
Streaming:
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Unrated Blu-ray:
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
You keep using the same pics as some sort of proof that the unrated blu-ray isn't as dark as other avp-r blu-ray releases, but I guess you are the only one who got a good copy then, judging the reviews of this disc elsewhere.
My Dutch blu-ray for example, also released by FOX, didn't look like this at all.
Let's see some pics of the beginning, where the predalien kills and escapes the spaceship, or the hobo's/aliens in the tunnels? They should be brighter too then, right?
P-Rock. Not loving the tone. And you got to slow down and read brother. I just literally finished saying I think better visibility results are device driven but you come in saying that I'm suggesting here that the unrated blu is better than the blu (I'm not), that I'm suggesting the results are disc driven and there are good copies and bad (I'm not), and angling that I'm the only one having good results (I'm not. You have other names).
And who takes camera pics of their TV while watching the movie just because? I've said before the reason why I use this pic is because it's the only one's I have, taken to try to solve the riddle on a different thread if the Shuriken was spinning in the correct direction when it impales Jesse.
I'll be happy to take other pics or even video for someone who's curious and friendly, but not for the way you're coming at me brother.
I didn't mean to sound rude, sorry. I just wondered if the rest of the movie looks like that as well on your set-up. Could be device driven, I dunno. My set-up is simple. The blu-ray I used to own was awful though and I don't think Fox would release multiple versions for such a low budget and badly received movie.
Thanks. Appreciate that.
Yeah, I'm not a big techie so maybe with the right combination of devices I just got lucky. Being able to see what's going on, plus the added scenes really amped up my enjoyment of AvPR. I'll make a note to later this week to take some pics or a couple of videos of the movie and my settings and I'll put them up. :)
I genuinely look forward to it.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2019, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2019, 04:04:37 AM
The final scene with Yutani - you could barely see her face it was so dark. And that was a daylight scene, that I assume was properly lit.
I cannot say I've ever had that particular problem. She's always been pretty visible to me.
I always assumed the same from other times I've watched, so it surprised me this time.
I watched the flick start to finish for the first time since I can remember and jotted down stuff (some old chestnuts, some not) as it went...
20th Century Fox logo – rip off of Alien 3, and not a terribly good rip off.
Why a tracker sound on the titles? Maybe they could get away with it if it was increasing in pitch as if something was approaching.
They changed the ship between different cuts of the film. Hadn't noticed that before.
Predalien losing its skin – very badly shot.
After shooting at the PredAlien, the Predator turns his head 90 degrees right and shoots. There's a wall right there. Did he crash the ship on purpose?
Crashed ship needed a big money shot.
Hugger looked cool with its fingers on the cracked glass.
Why didn't the Predator use his self destruct?
Nice blink-and-you'll-miss-it huggers running through forest.
Kind of silly that the dad just stands there watching his arm burn off. You'd think he'd instinctively try and wipe the acid off like Vriess did or try and take the jacket off.
The planet beneath ship crashing in the distress signal doesn't seem to match the earlier shots.
Too early to reveal the Predator face. Give it a proper longer reveal later and showcase the acid scarring.
Predator planet is cool and then we go back to boring old Port Moody. Wonder why didn't get aerials shots of the actual Gunnison – particularly when real towns nearly like Crested Butte are referenced?
Pizza shop – is it dark outside? 'Cos in the following scenes it's not dark.
Sewer – now it's dark. This scene and following scene of Predator arriving are just murky as buggery. Just faint light reflecting off some shiny surfaces with what could've been cool iconic shots.
PredAlien backhander – ffs...
Even the tone of the O'Brien's house is dark when the lights are on.
If not for that orange vision mode in the forest, the Predator couldn't see shit either.
The woman playing Darcy; some interesting choices...
How does the coroner get any work done in the dark?
Sewer fight – couple of cool shots while the Predator is setting up, but the fight is it lost in the murk with only the rare Predavision shot to help.
Ray was skinned alive? The coroner guy missed the massive stab wounds?
Power station – this Predator is a monumentally shithouse shot.
And he couldn't see the Alien under the catwalk?
Considering how gritty and hardcore they wanted this flick, it would've been cool if Dale's friend was just unconscious when he was dragged back to the pool and woke up before the Alien started eating him. And huge missed opportunity with the inner jaw and the spear. They could've done it all in one shot where the Alien bites a couple of times then on the third instead of the jaw shooting out, the spear does instead.
Another chance for a cool shot of the Predator standing up in the tree lost in murk. It's raining – light him up with a lightning strike a la the Eastern building.
National Guard scene – the less said the better. They seriously used the feedback sound effect from when Dallas got killed in Alien. Just noticed.
More wasted murk with the PredAlien approaching the hospital.
Even what should be the first big proper reveal of the PredAlien – the whole front of it's head is just a black mass, with no detail.
Department store fight – amorphous black shapes screeching at each other.
Maternity – half a second of a good well lit shot of the PredAlien as he kills the doctor. Two different dates on the medical monitors though. Different months and years...
I freeze framed Ricky's boss getting killed. Still don't know how Ricky's boss got killed.
PredAlien in the hospital – gets slashed, then backs away and emotes with his hands 'kill him my evil minions!' More interesting performance choices.
The Predator holding one Alien against the wall while turning and shooting another looked pretty cool.
Punching another one – not so much.
Predator and Ricky both impervious to acid.
Dallas too.
That Alien running towards Dallas on the roof – ugh.
When we do get to see the whip in action (it's too dark to see it in the department store) it's edited to buggery and loses its effectiveness.
The Alien Dallas blasts on the helipad has gouts of blood fly out of its head – but then stands up? After it had been crawling before that?
Couple of cool freeze frame bits – there's a frame of the nuclear bomb entering the shot before it explodes. And Eddie's face burning off.
Can't even see Yutani's face when she's facing camera.
I thought the film was dark but not too dark in the cinema
at home, I can't see shit
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 14, 2019, 11:07:38 PM
Isn't there programs that allow you alter stuff like grading and brightness on a video file? Who is taking one for the team? Over 10 years and no fan edit to fix it? Are we all casuals?
I have tried it, no sell unfortunately as altering settings such as color, brightness, contrast and sharpness does very little, and that was done on my bluray copy.
It's also trying to polish a turd.
As promised: For you P-Rock and F.I. and anyone curious to see it. AvP Requiem on my television.
P.S. Watch to the end to see my settings
P.S.S. This scene alone kicks AVP's plain butt imo
Thanks! That certainly looks much better than the blu-ray copy I had.
Then again, darkness or not, it's still a shit movie. ;)
Damn, that is different from what I remember.
Gotta give that a try sometime.
Quote from: P-Rock on Oct 20, 2019, 10:18:31 AM
Then again, darkness or not, it's still a shit movie. ;)
Some classics aren't meant for everyone. 8)
Honestly, looks exactly like my Blu-ray, I'd still call it awful lighting.
Yeah I don't think even people who enjoy AVPR including myself believe the lighting is well done.
However my video is to show the "can't see sh*t" experience you see below
isn't the case for all viewers.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 20, 2019, 05:12:17 PM
Yeah I don't think even people who enjoy AVPR including myself believe the lighting is well done.
However my video is to show the "can't see sh*t" experience you see below isn't the case for all viewers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyfXgLIj9k
Bingo.
Is that meant to be an example of can see shit? ???
My video that I posted yesterday? Yes, unless one has cataracts.
The one i quoted is not the "good" one.
Ah. Righto.
I still think The Asylum's "take" is worse.
Quote from: cookson on Oct 21, 2019, 11:51:58 PM
I still think The Asylum's "take" is worse.
It usually is.