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So far I think I think we got glimpses of what looks to be
1. An Alien Silo such as that in Prometheus
(https://i.ibb.co/6JDW9kc/Alien-Silo.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6JDW9kc)
2. The Engineer colony Atrium
(https://i.ibb.co/jWxtWJS/Engineer-Atrium.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxtWJS)


Thoughts?

Looks straight out of Alien Covenant.

There's a guy on the official Discord that swears that the random drawing in the second picture is a Predator, it's... tiresome to talk to him, to say the least, he said he saved my name so he could tag me and say it was a Predator when the game comes out and I'm "proven wrong"

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 09, 2021, 09:13:40 PM
There's a guy on the official Discord that swears that the random drawing in the second picture is a Predator, it's... tiresome to talk to him, to say the least, he said he saved my name so he could tag me and say it was a Predator when the game comes out and I'm "proven wrong"

Didn't you hear? There's a Predator in Prometheus too.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 09:19:51 PM

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 09, 2021, 09:13:40 PM
There's a guy on the official Discord that swears that the random drawing in the second picture is a Predator, it's... tiresome to talk to him, to say the least, he said he saved my name so he could tag me and say it was a Predator when the game comes out and I'm "proven wrong"

Didn't you hear? There's a Predator in Prometheus too.

Haha I'm pretty sure Ridley does LOVE AvP

I'm pretty sure if there was an AVP in Ridley's mind, it was John McTiernan's flick against his baby.

As it ought to be though to begin with anyway.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746043793358323822/819007805885251664/unknown.png)

My response wasn't so mature
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Lmao you did good.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 09, 2021, 10:30:36 PM
I'm pretty sure if there was an AVP in Ridley's mind, it was John McTiernan's flick against his baby.

(https://i.ibb.co/FYGfKBd/41-VRe-P3c-Jo-L-AC.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7XBvML7/Street-Fighter-VS-logo.png)
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Aww, he looks like a goomba.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 10, 2021, 12:45:23 AM
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My response wasn't so mature
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746043793358323822/819007900181594142/unknown.png

The pareidolias Aliens & Predators are among us 👀✨

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 10, 2021, 01:08:03 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 09, 2021, 10:30:36 PM
I'm pretty sure if there was an AVP in Ridley's mind, it was John McTiernan's flick against his baby.

(https://i.ibb.co/FYGfKBd/41-VRe-P3c-Jo-L-AC.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7XBvML7/Street-Fighter-VS-logo.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/KV2y0KH/Screenshot-2021-03-09-19-47-00-2.png)

Aww, he looks like a goomba.

I really don't understand this obsession: trying to put Predator into the Alien Universe.

I don't remember exactly, but in the Stone Age (late zeroes) I saw a theories that the Space Jockey was Predator, cuz it sounds logically!

As much as I do dislike the rocky vibe of the Engineer architecture, be nice to see more of their Jockey imitation locations in Fireteams. I did actually dig what we saw of the Derelict in Colonial Marines.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 09, 2021, 10:13:40 PM

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 09:19:51 PM

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 09, 2021, 09:13:40 PM
There's a guy on the official Discord that swears that the random drawing in the second picture is a Predator, it's... tiresome to talk to him, to say the least, he said he saved my name so he could tag me and say it was a Predator when the game comes out and I'm "proven wrong"

Didn't you hear? There's a Predator in Prometheus too.

Haha I'm pretty sure Ridley does LOVE AvP

Proven by Prometheus ripping off elements of AvP!  Now if that isn't love, what is?!

Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 10, 2021, 08:45:35 AM
I really don't understand this obsession: trying to put Predator into the Alien Universe.

I don't remember exactly, but in the Stone Age (late zeroes) I saw a theories that the Space Jockey was Predator, cuz it sounds logically!

AVP as a brand was as successful as it's parent brands and owned by the company producing it. It's an easy crossover to do that happened to make money that people had been into.

Generally crossovers in this context of fictional characters are brief and limited. I've felt a lot of people consciously don't even see Alien vs Predator as a crossover anymore. They fit so snugly like a Ying and Yang symbol and have been licensed together for 30 years... it would be odd to never see them encounter each other from time to time at this point.

Here is an environment Ive picked out from the latest video of the gunner and technician

(https://i.ibb.co/R28Jd0f/Alien-Silo2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R28Jd0f)


(https://www.scified.com/u/prom_8.jpg)

Can someone get some shots from Prometheus and Covenant to compare to these ruins? The idiot in the Discord keeps saying it's a Predator pyramid

The latest video only seems to make it even more clear that Engineer ruins will be in the game. A lot of those environments look very, very similar to what we got in Covenant.

from the looks if it, its inspired by prometheus but not entirely. I mean the oval shape speaks to half of the kind of heart shaped tunnels Prometheus had in the ruins of the engineeer's capsule silo. So this could be more speaking to the organic side of some other story more related to alien and into Aliens.

The bladed/irised door we see is definitely Prometheus.

Using Prometheus Art of the Film I imagine.

It remains only to hope that one of the unknown species will be neomorph. Or Engineer-boss.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2021, 07:51:56 AM
The bladed/irised door we see is definitely Prometheus.

(https://i.imgur.com/fpUxCDX.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0z9myyi.png)

100% Engineer.

damni mmissed that frame. That literallly looks like this from  prometheus
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/cPTL8.jpg)

So far I get we have a location set in a Pyramid Mound.That would be astounding if they build the entire Pyramid set with giant head and all.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/pyramid81.jpg)

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This is from Covenant. Notice the drapes? There are also carved curves found in some images that are also found in the film's concrete floors. Definitely this is an engineers' monestary.
(https://i.ibb.co/jWxtWJS/Engineer-Atrium.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxtWJS)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0Xr2qtMiLfI/WSfystv4k6I/AAAAAAAAiHI/K1WZY_SwwOIL9QmdcOhA5nP_1vJUnn-yACKgB/s1600/hall%2Bof%2Bheads.jpg)

I hope so. The closest thing in the past was a fan made Doom 3 mod.

EEeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww cave walls with a mix of stone architecture?! No thank you, bring back the biomechanical almost claustrophobic design back. Damm, Prometheus and Covenant really did a horrible number on ruining HR Giger's work huh? It makes no sense for the Engineers to make ships like that but then their architecture looks so ye olden days.

I thought Covenant's simplistic grey brutalist architecture for the Engineer city was boring as hell. One of the things that most disappointed me about the movie. All the things you could do for an alien city - especially one inspired by Giger - and they gave us that? So unimaginative.

I suspect the game won't give us much more since the movies didn't give us much to begin with. We got "room with table and drawings on the walls", "big room with heads in it" and "big open space". These ruins will be the equivalent of the Derelict from previous Alien/AVP games, just somewhere that we go "oh cool, it's that thing from the movies", only, y'know, much less cool.

No love for David's lair?  :laugh:

Quote from: acrediblesource on Mar 13, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
Definitely this is an engineers' monestary.
(https://i.ibb.co/jWxtWJS/Engineer-Atrium.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxtWJS)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0Xr2qtMiLfI/WSfystv4k6I/AAAAAAAAiHI/K1WZY_SwwOIL9QmdcOhA5nP_1vJUnn-yACKgB/s1600/hall%2Bof%2Bheads.jpg)

Probably not, as it's pure design choice, but I wonder if there is any connection to the Neomorph appearance of the Spitter via campaign mode.

Edit: These are not entirely Giger based, but it is still a solid reference. The nightmarish Scorn's environments. The bio-horror atmosphere is strong with this one.

I get people do not like the choices of Prometheus, but it is long past time to recognise that the Engineers are not aliens, Engineers are humans and nothing more.

Amongst the best things Alien Covenant did being wiping them out so we do not have to deal with that nonsense in the future.

I get it but it is not Cold Iron's choice.

And it is not even clear if they created their biomechanical technology, inherited it, or acquired it another way completely.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 13, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
And it is not even clear if they created their biomechanical technology, inherited it, or acquired it another way completely.

I remember two occasions when someone who worked on the prequels refer to biomechanical designs. 

First Jon Spaighs envisioned the Engineers as architects of wonders that cannot be contemplated by earthly human senses, since such designs transcended beyond our three-dimensional reality.

According to this thinking, we cannot see the whole picture, leaving to us with macabre and grotesque patterns.


The other occasion was when I read an article (I don't remember if at Empire or Collider) where a concept artist who worked at Covenant said that there is no anachronism between monolithic aesthetics and biomechanical designs, since the latter would be inspired by nature. For him, the Engineers create designs based on insects, plants, mollusk shells, etc. I'm paraphrasing but it was something like that.


Fortunately none of this is canon. I prefer to think that they mimic a civilization of biomechanical (not that stuped fleshy elephan man from comics  >:() sentient organisms (like Big Chap but advanced). The RPG seems to suggest that anyway.

However at the same time, I like to believe that the Engineer's sterile looking tech can change from inorganic to organic under certain conditions. Like the urns or their ships.  8)

EDIT~

The Ossians concept from the RPG seems to be inspired by Dr. Who  :laugh:

Quote from: Tardis FandomThe Osirans, also called Osirians (PROSE: GodEngine, AUDIO: Coming to Dust et al.) or Osirons, (COMIC: Hacked) were a race of powerful and intelligent humanoids of god-like power, who were worshipped by many cultures across the universe, including on Earth in ancient Egypt. (TV: Pyramids of Mars)

...I don't rule out roots in actual ancient mythology though.  :-\

I wanna see Lincoln O' Siran

It is absolutely anachronistic, no matter the way their society actually functions, and that's good because it leaves the door wide open.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
Edit: These are not entirely Giger based, but it is still a solid reference. The nightmarish Scorn's environments. The bio-horror atmosphere is strong with this one.

(https://i.ibb.co/wJsHZmX/maxresdefault-1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L6r28wR/62786-86-scorn-delayed-now-launch-full-game-full.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/W23pZLn/ss-05045290c984d11a24708bc6bd46177cf13459ff-1920x1080.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wKdG1gG/ss-b6840113f38270ca19c08fa57aee400f05a016bd-1920x1080.jpg)

Exactly! When someone can out Giger the Alien universe, you know you f**ked up big time. So here I found some Giger ones that actually fits the bill to a twisted Engineer's world that I always wanted to see from Prometheus and Covenant. Now it actually feels warped and distant from anything we know.....like you know, feels alien.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fd7%2Fcf%2F15%2Fd7cf15b7c34fe2b1ef9f2bf7f1d3074d.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwahooart.com%2FArt.nsf%2FO%2FA25T7G%2F%24File%2FH.R._Giger-Hr_giger_biomechanicallandscape_sack.JPG&f=1&nofb=1)

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.system75.com%2Fgallery%2Fgiger%2Fimages%2FBioLandscape_II.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2FrD-h-xKpnZZ25ibaeQgH7rwqwgE%3D%2F1020x0%2Fcdn0.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F2839552%2Fjodorowskys_dune_images8_1020_verge_super_wide.1399971001.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

Again, actually pump in Giger DNA into Aliens again, leave the stone and cave architecture to us ancient humans. The Alien Universe should always feel cold, unwelcoming, distant for us, and as it should always be, alien.

Ancient humanity, also known as Engineers, that's why their stuff looks like our stuff.

Apart from introducing a precursor species (the real Space Jockeys or Pilots for example) to them. 

The biomechanical belongs to the Alien alone now. 

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 13, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
It makes no sense for the Engineers to make ships like that but then their architecture looks so ye olden days.

I prefer to think that biomechanical interiors may be exposed to Black Goo. However, the stone - no. Therefore, engineers use a stone. It would be nice to see the film with an even more ancient version of mankind: other Engineers or real Space Jockeys, which use biomechanics and all their technology is infected with the pathogen. This may sound strange, but hey - it's Alien. We could even get mutated buildings or space ships.

I like to think the biomechanical deleric from the first movie is not of Engineer origin, but from godlike beings not from this universe, and the engineer just worshipped them

Quote from: Kailem on Mar 13, 2021, 09:53:52 PM
I thought Covenant's simplistic grey brutalist architecture for the Engineer city was boring as hell. One of the things that most disappointed me about the movie. All the things you could do for an alien city - especially one inspired by Giger - and they gave us that? So unimaginative.

I have to mostly agree. Overall I found it a bit disappointing myself.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 14, 2021, 06:59:12 AM
I like to think the biomechanical deleric from the first movie is not of Engineer origin, but from godlike beings not from this universe, and the engineer just worshipped them

My favorite headcanon so far.  8)

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Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 14, 2021, 05:46:32 AM
The biomechanical belongs to the Alien alone now.

They might be knockoffs, but the corridors of David's Juggernaut in Covenant are biomechanical, with the exception of the orrery chamber. It' s like Ridley wanted to tell us "so you guys hate my Engineers, huh? fine they aren't going to upset you anymore cos I'm gona kill them for ya. They are the Space Jockeys though  ;)"  :laugh:

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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 14, 2021, 05:32:58 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
Edit: These are not entirely Giger based, but it is still a solid reference. The nightmarish Scorn's environments. The bio-horror atmosphere is strong with this one.

(https://i.ibb.co/wJsHZmX/maxresdefault-1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L6r28wR/62786-86-scorn-delayed-now-launch-full-game-full.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/W23pZLn/ss-05045290c984d11a24708bc6bd46177cf13459ff-1920x1080.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wKdG1gG/ss-b6840113f38270ca19c08fa57aee400f05a016bd-1920x1080.jpg)

Exactly! When someone can out Giger the Alien universe, you know you f**ked up big time. So here I found some Giger ones that actually fits the bill to a twisted Engineer's world that I always wanted to see from Prometheus and Covenant. Now it actually feels warped and distant from anything we know.....like you know, feels alien.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fd7%2Fcf%2F15%2Fd7cf15b7c34fe2b1ef9f2bf7f1d3074d.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwahooart.com%2FArt.nsf%2FO%2FA25T7G%2F%24File%2FH.R._Giger-Hr_giger_biomechanicallandscape_sack.JPG&f=1&nofb=1

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.system75.com%2Fgallery%2Fgiger%2Fimages%2FBioLandscape_II.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2FrD-h-xKpnZZ25ibaeQgH7rwqwgE%3D%2F1020x0%2Fcdn0.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F2839552%2Fjodorowskys_dune_images8_1020_verge_super_wide.1399971001.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Again, actually pump in Giger DNA into Aliens again, leave the stone and cave architecture to us ancient humans. The Alien Universe should always feel cold, unwelcoming, distant for us, and as it should always be, alien.

If you put it that way, I have no choice but to agree.  :laugh:

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 14, 2021, 05:46:32 AM
Ancient humanity, also known as Engineers, that's why their stuff looks like our stuff.

Apart from introducing a precursor species (the real Space Jockeys or Pilots for example) to them. 

The biomechanical belongs to the Alien alone now.

Eeehhh doesn't this reasoning sound a bit contradictory to what you said about having another race in the Universe? If adding something that changes the tone of the Alien Universe, then it loses the uniqueness of the world which is a cold and deathly one. As your quote says from the other thread:

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 14, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
Because it's not what makes the Alien worth the time of day, the opposite in fact, anything you can think of applying to them's found amongst humanity anyway.

It stretches the believability for no real benefit.

And changes this into something it is not.

In all the various media that has different types of alien races, what makes Alien different is the haunting biomechanical environments that is so distinct and memorable that future media soon took inspiration for in other works. How many alien ships and structures can you recall that are vastly distinct from one another in the same way as Alien did? How many concept art, films, shows, and comics has the same crystalline, stone like, or sterilized architectural style in their works? The Tau and Eldar of Warhammer 40k, the Protoss of Starcraft, the alien races of Mass Effect, ect. Thats why it was saddening to see the ship in The Predator to look smooth and sterile like all the the other alien ships I look at in google, compared to the crustaceans/reptilian look in Predator 2, it just looks like the rest.
Same feeling I had when I saw Scorn and then the films, how is it possible that Scorn looks distinct and Alien compared to the rest? When did Alien become the trend follower instead of the trend setter? How can it be more HR Giger than the recent films of a series that which Scorn took inspiration from?

Not to mention the idea the Engineers can have that stone style because "they" did it first and "taught it to humans" is just silly. Just because the Engineers created humanity doesn't mean their ways will somehow be similar to ours and vice verca automatically. That's like saying the architecture of humans throughout the world will be the same because we are human, when obviously the stone temples of Egypt, Inca, and Aztec are the only similar trait they have in common. Even as I strongly disagree with the connection of Engineers and humans, it was established to be a creator and creation relationship through observation of us humans, nothing in media states that they were teaching us anything. 

At the end of the day, having the mundane architecture stretches the believability of the alien universe as a whole with no real benefit to the overall strength of the universe's environment. It simply dumbs down and changes this alien world into something that is not, another lost generic stone alien temple of a lost ancient race of unknown origin. If the aliens that created us humans look similar to us, at least make their culture, tech, and structures look completely different and distinct from us, why resort to little imagination when the series was known to be a source of great inspiration to future media because of its unique biomechanical look that became ingrained into film and art history?

 

It's not contradictory though, they go hand in hand actually, I never said that "The Pilots" ought to be an alive precursor species in any way.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 15, 2021, 02:54:06 AM
It's not contradictory though, they go hand in hand actually, I never said that "The Pilots" ought to be an alive precursor species in any way.

No, I'm not saying that you said that. I'm just comparing that devolving the biomechanical world of the series only to the Alien itself is a huge mistake and disservice to what was established long ago to the same reasoning that having another alien race only takes away the attention of the Alien and the dark nature of the universe itself which would risk making it fall into the normal such as Star Wars. To forsaken its roots is to make it nothing special from the normal.

Hence why I reject the smooth stone and cave architecture look over the original mythically bizarre and alien biomechanical roots of the world that the Derelict hinted at in the first film.

Mfw the thread went from speculating the levels to debating canon and designs

I'm not saying it ought to belong only to the Alien, but certainly not to the Engineers in their human incarnation, that demystifies it even more in my opinion.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Mfw the thread went from speculating the levels to debating canon and designs

Welcome to AvPG

The Canon Wars just find a way to return. It's inevitable.

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Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Mfw the thread went from speculating the levels to debating canon and designs

I know I didn't mean too, its just frustrating to see the levels fall under the design Covenant went through. After playing Isolation and amazing work they put in on the Derelict level, it was just sad to see the downgrade from what it seems in the game.  Its speculations on environments after all so perhaps they could have the HR Giger deeper in the level.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 15, 2021, 06:24:24 PM
I'm not saying it ought to belong only to the Alien, but certainly not to the Engineers in their human incarnation, that demystifies it even more in my opinion.

I would ask more on that opinion but everyone is getting nippy on the "canon wars" or whatever they are talking about so its whatever at this point.

Basically they're humans so giving it to them sucks more than it being something distinct from their culture they use.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 16, 2021, 12:10:59 AM
I would ask more on that opinion but everyone is getting nippy on the "canon wars" or whatever they are talking about so its whatever at this point.

I believe it's less nippy and more just a running joke, spawned from the hundreds of thread pages used up here arguing about canon.  :)

I hope it progresses becoming more biomechanical the farther you go underground.

i  hope they pay tribute to the works of HR Giger.... does any one know who i'm talking about?   I know his works is small potatoes. But if you be a potatoe in online gaming, its possible you dont know. He might have made a logo here and there , a logo in graphical designs. You know like Fonts and shit? You know like repeating patterns on wallpapers in windows 2000?

They should just pay his estate and full on use his genius for this franchise again. But alas..

Wait, is there a problem with his estate and using the classic design?

No I'm just talking about using his work in general, not restricted to just what he created specifically for the first film.

If they simply add lore/art associated with the franchise as collectible models or part of the scenery then i would applaude the art director. Someone with half a brain would have fundamentally understood that this franchise sees alot of attention when they hear/see Giger's work is either in it or at least been inspired by his work.

If Cold Iron STudios misses this opportunity to do it, then i would lose all hope in that studio.  From all the footage we've seen so far it would appear they are headed in the right direction.

I wonder if there are boss fights? Or if there are any unreleased enemies?

Well I can't imagine the Queen they've already shown in the trailer won't be a boss fight. And given that they've said there are some 20-something enemy types I'm sure there's still plenty we haven't seen yet.