The Making of Aliens?
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=20517445
I'm halfway through and it's a great read. Comprehensive, informative and entertaining.
Quote from: felix on Sep 16, 2019, 05:18:33 AM
The Making of Aliens?
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=20517445
Thanks for the link. Only 256 pages? ???
Quote from: felix on Sep 16, 2019, 05:18:33 AM
The Making of Aliens?
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=20517445
:o
Is this legit?
Please do
Alien 3, please do
Alien 3...
(Don't get me wrong, I'm also hyped that he's doing the second film.)
Quote from: felix on Sep 16, 2019, 05:18:33 AM
The Making of Aliens?
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=20517445
Wow, we need confirmation of this!
Right f**king now, goddamit ! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 16, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
Quote from: felix on Sep 16, 2019, 05:18:33 AM
The Making of Aliens?
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=20517445
Wow, we need confirmation of this!
I hope this is real.
I N E E D I T.
I'd have no reason to not believe it's legit coming from BNC.
Does this mean . . . big, glossy Drake photos?
*squeals*
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Does this mean . . . big, glossy Drake photos?
*squeals*
:laugh:
Yep. He may throw a picture of Ripley in there, you know, just to mix it up. But otherwise yes, expect lots of big glossy Drake photos! Plus a Drake centerfold!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Does this mean . . . big, glossy Drake photos?
*squeals*
:laugh:
Yep. He may throw a picture of Ripley in there, you know, just to mix it up. But otherwise yes, expect lots of big glossy Drake photos! Plus a Drake centerfold!
As long as it's not the acid burn one.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Does this mean . . . big, glossy Drake photos?
*squeals*
:laugh:
Yep. He may throw a picture of Ripley in there, you know, just to mix it up. But otherwise yes, expect lots of big glossy Drake photos! Plus a Drake centerfold!
As long as it's not the acid burn one.
No. The that comes as a free poster if you pre-order the book.
(https://www.cinemaview.sk/old/photo_gallery/Votrelci/obr3.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 17, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Does this mean . . . big, glossy Drake photos?
*squeals*
:laugh:
Yep. He may throw a picture of Ripley in there, you know, just to mix it up. But otherwise yes, expect lots of big glossy Drake photos! Plus a Drake centerfold!
As long as it's not the acid burn one.
No. The that comes as a free poster if you pre-order the book.
https://www.cinemaview.sk/old/photo_gallery/Votrelci/obr3.jpg
Guess I'm not pre-ordering.
We need to remember to ask him about the make-up when we get to chat to him.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
We need to remember to ask him about the make-up when we get to chat to him.
We do.
But you're handling that.
I'll just mention that it's so good, it makes it hard for me to watch the scene.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
https://www.cinemaview.sk/old/photo_gallery/Votrelci/obr3.jpg
Should be a popular pre-order for the women then - chicks dig scars.
Curious about the lower page count ... with a film such as ALIENS, there should be plenty to write about.
I hope he also does PREDATOR (1987).
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 17, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
https://www.cinemaview.sk/old/photo_gallery/Votrelci/obr3.jpg
Should be a popular pre-order for the women then - chicks dig scars.
:laugh:
QuoteCurious about the lower page count ... with a film such as ALIENS, there should be plenty to write about.
Hopefully that's a misprint.
QuoteI hope he also does PREDATOR (1987).
Oh man, I wish. There's enough material on the creature design problems alone!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 17, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 17, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
https://www.cinemaview.sk/old/photo_gallery/Votrelci/obr3.jpg
Should be a popular pre-order for the women then - chicks dig scars.
:laugh:
>:(
I just said I wouldn't!
;D
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 17, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
Curious about the lower page count ... with a film such as ALIENS, there should be plenty to write about.
I always get the impression first movie receives the most attention in terms of BTS material. Which is a shame.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 17, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 17, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
Curious about the lower page count ... with a film such as ALIENS, there should be plenty to write about.
I always get the impression first movie receives the most attention in terms of BTS material. Which is a shame.
All three of his STAR WARS (original trilogy) books have an equal page count of 362 pages. The UK BOOK DEPOSITORY lists each (erroneously) as
372 pages. Hopefully, it's also a typo from the ALIENS link.
Indeed, and also hopefully it's the case for all three.
Out of interest, how many pages did his Alien book have?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 19, 2019, 04:04:18 PM
Out of interest, how many pages did his Alien book have?
ALIEN is listed as having 336 pages.
A very good book, but I was hoping for more unseen images. Sadly, fans are familiar with most of them - also, the way in which the new material is presented is frustrating, they are quite small - almost as if someone didn't want the new images to be scanned and uploaded...
Haven't had a chance to read my copy of his Alien book yet, but he has book on Aliens in the works to release in April 2020!
https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/10/16/rejoice-aliens-is-getting-the-making-of-book-it-deserves/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Merged with existing topic.
Sweet! It's been properly announced!!
Awesome. This will be a pair to own.
Just keep them coming...we've still got another 6 films to go after this. :P
Even the AVPs? Now wouldn't that be something. 8)
I'd be very interested in an AvP book, if only for the pre-Anderson deep dives into the Fox archives.
Okay, now you're talking! Yet... I do suspect it would be an equally intriguing and frustrating read.
By six films, apart from Alien- I thought you meant Aliens, Alien³, Alien Resurrection and the Prequel Trilogy.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 16, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
By six films, apart from Alien- I thought you meant Aliens, Alien³, Alien Resurrection and the Prequel Trilogy.
Keywords = after this
Key emoji = :P
;D
To be honest, I would be surprised if demand would justify a book like this on anything other than the first two classic films. I would love to be wrong though.
F*ck it, I'd be down for books about the less successful movies, if only because they tend to be comparatively bereft of BTS information. AVP may not even come close to being in the same league as the early films, but it's Alien and I'd still love to know all about how it was put together.
I want to read all about Cameron's tea time tantrums.
I'm torn. I'd give this book a miss (I love Aliens but it's just not special to me the way that Alien is), but if a potential Alien3 book is contingent on the sales of this one, then I might take the plunge...
Yeah, his first two are definitely going to end up on my book shelf eventually, but I really hope he tackles the third movie!
Be sure to get two of them in hardcover and the other in paperback.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 16, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
I want to read all about Cameron's tea time tantrums.
I guess he didn't like the cucumber sandwiches either... :-\
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 16, 2019, 05:11:24 PM
Yeah, his first two are definitely going to end up on my book shelf eventually, but I really hope he tackles the third movie!
Yeah, it'd seem daft not to do Alien 3 considering the wealth of behind-the-scene dramas and its tumultuous development.
I love how you put Call (drops hip pilot) picture in this news ;D ;D ;D
Great news, hope they do an Alien 3 one after this.
I'll definitely get this. Can't wait to read about the rest of the material that was cut from the film.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 16, 2019, 05:28:01 PM
Be sure to get two of them in hardcover and the other in paperback.
Argh! I get that out of my mind for TWO SECONDS... :D
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Do want!
Might as well. You can never write enough books about the best film of all time...
Description of the Book.
"As one of the most highly regarded movie sequels of all time, Aliens quickly embedded itself in the minds of cinemagoers around the world when it was released in 1986. Driven by the singular vision of director James Cameron and guided by producer Gale Ann Hurd, its relentless action and unforgettable characters helped cement its place as an undisputed classic of 1980s cinema.
The Making of Aliens tells the complete story of how Cameron and Hurd, together with their immensely talented cast and crew, brought heroine Ellen Ripley back to the big screen—and upped the stakes by introducing a whole army of aliens for her to face. Interviews with the cast and crew, alongside revealing photography and fascinating concept art, illustrate the film's eventful journey from its beginnings as a sequel that nobody wanted to make through to its transformation into one of the highest-grossing blockbusters of the decade."
Oh man I seriously can't wait for this one!
I wish authentic Aliens products would stop using that cheap imitation Aliens font. That letter "S" looks nothing like it does in the film intro.
Me and my first world problems. ::)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 17, 2019, 03:13:28 AM
I wish authentic Aliens products would stop using that cheap imitation Aliens font. That letter "S" looks nothing like it does in the film intro.
It looks exactly like the film's poster font though?
(https://www.mauvais-genres.com/23834/aliens-original-recalled-movie-poster-27x40-in-1986-james-cameron-sigourney-weaver.jpg)
As for the book, unless there are more unseen photos outside of the general Acton Lane Power Station shoot or Leicester Square premier, the book won't disclose anything we haven't seen before.
I'd love some images of the prop team scouting for old aircraft parts for the APC and Dropship or other film crew photos but I doubt it.
It would be great if a third book for Alien3 was eventually made and David Fincher was involved in discussions for the project.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 21, 2019, 04:48:57 AM
It would be great if a third book for Alien3 was eventually made and David Fincher was involved in discussions for the project.
I doubt it, David Fincher disowned the movie. The BFI 2009 transcript of him questioned is revealing. He basically said everything he tried to contribute was ignored by 20th Century Fox and he was fired three times making it. :D
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/feb/03/david-fincher-interview-transcript
From the article. MS is Mark Salisbury (interviewer) DF is David Fincher.
MS: But there's this fantastic quote that I found, where you said of Alien 3 that "a lot of people hated Alien 3, but no one hated it more than I did."
DF: I had to work on it for two years, got fired off it three times and I had to fight for every single thing. No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me.
MS: At the risk of opening old wounds, what did you take from that experience that has subsequently helped you in your Hollywood career?
DF: It was a baptism by fire. I was very naive. For a number of years, I'd been around the kind of people who financed movies and the kind of people who are there to make the deals for movies. But I'd always had this naive idea that everybody wants to make movies as good as they can be, which is stupid. [audience laughs] So I learned on this movie that nobody really knows, so therefore no one has to care, so it's always going to be your fault. I'd always thought, "Well, surely you don't want to have the Twentieth Century Fox logo over a shitty movie." And they were like, "Well, as long as it opens." So I learned then just to be a belligerent asshole, which was really: "You have to get what you need to get out of it." You have to fight for things you believe in, and you have to be smart about how you position it so that you don't just become white noise. On that movie, I was the guy who was constantly the voice of "We need to do this better, we need to do this, this doesn't make sense". And pretty soon, it was like in Peanuts: WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP! They'd go, "He's doing that again, he's frothing at the mouth, he seems so passionate." They didn't care.
MS: Have you grown to like it since then, Alien 3?
DF: God, no! [audience laughs] But I don't look at anything after it's done.
MS: So that alternate cut on the DVD special edition whatever it is – that's not yours?
DF: I don't know who did it, I've never seen it, I can't comment on it.
Interesting that he claims not to know anything about the extended version - din't Lauzirika say he corresponded with him a couple of times over email while putting it together?
If I remember correctly Fincher was asked to participate, but he gave it a hard pass. I always assumed that meant no involvement.
Sure, Lauzirika said as much, but their conversing would mean he at least knew about it and who was behind it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 21, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
Interesting that he claims not to know anything about the extended version - din't Lauzirika say he corresponded with him a couple of times over email while putting it together?
Can't recall if they ever corresponded directly. All I have is this from an interview the Corporal conducted with him several years ago:
Quote from: Charles de LauzirikaFincher gave us his blessing to go ahead and do whatever we wanted. https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/charles-de-lauzirika/ (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/charles-de-lauzirika/)
Charles did mention an interesting anecdote a few years ago. He was on his way to the premiere of the Alien 3 Assembly Cut when he popped into a take-away restaurant for some pizza or something. And who should he see sitting at one of the tables? David Fincher himself. So Charles went outside in order to summon up enough courage to ask Fincher whether he would like to attend the premiere. But unfortunately when Charles finally got the courage, Fincher had already left.
Yeah, all that's on the Strange Shapes blog here (https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/finding-fincher/). It's where I got it from :)
Ah thanks, was trying to remember where I read that anecdote. Apparently he went outside to call the office/studio and ask them whether he should ask Fincher over for the screening.
Anyway, the story continues which clears up your previous question:
Quote from: Charles de LauzirikaThen, about a week later, Fincher actually called my office. Mark Romanek [who directed One Hour Photo – another DVD Lauzirika produced] had talked to him about me, and put in the good word... which, coming from Romanek, is a major deal to me. I mean, I worship both of these guys. Mark gave Fincher my number, which was incredibly nice of Mark to do. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the office when Fincher called. But he left this really cryptic voicemail: 'Yeah, Mark Romanek told me to call you about Alien 3...' and about halfway through the message, he just kind of drifted off. It was almost like he lost the heart to even talk about Alien 3 right then in the middle of this message he was leaving me. We played phone tag for a while and never actually spoke directly.
Considering they never did actually correspond, I can see Fincher not having an opinion about him, let alone remembering his name.
I think they should put Fincher in dark room, strap his hands and legs and finally make him watch Assembly's Cut so he can finally admit what a masterpiece he did
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Quote from: Kradan on Oct 23, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
I think they should put Fincher in dark room, strap his hands and legs and finally make him watch Assembly's Cut so he can finally admit what a masterpiece he did
https://cdn1-www.mandatory.com/assets/uploads/2014/08/file_1053469_MENS_Frozen_01_clockwork-orange_Photofest_clockwork_fr_1920b.jpg
That word again...
Did you just call Alien3....
a "masterpiece"???(https://purduecco.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/crumble-up-papers.gif)
What's wrong with that ?
Assembly Cut - masterpiece
Theatrical cut - masterpiece after its balls were cut .
Guess we should change this thread to "J.W. Rinzler's Hypothetical Making of Alien 3."
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I hope his Alien 3 book will provide new information that'll help us achieve consensus in the Egg on Sulaco thread.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 23, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
I think they should put Fincher in dark room, strap his hands and legs and finally make him watch Assembly's Cut so he can finally admit what a masterpiece he did
https://cdn1-www.mandatory.com/assets/uploads/2014/08/file_1053469_MENS_Frozen_01_clockwork-orange_Photofest_clockwork_fr_1920b.jpg
Make him play ACM too. He can add references to it on a new Alien 3 director's cut.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2019, 10:58:40 PM
I hope his Alien 3 book will provide new information that'll help us achieve consensus in the Egg on Sulaco thread.
Nah, it would be like like Sherlock Holmes without Dr. Moriarty, like yin without yang .
I think people clearly (here anyway) have more interest in an Alien³ BTS book than an Aliens BTS book.
I'm hugely excited for his book on Aliens.
I just think the first two films have already been documented in pretty exhaustive detail, way before Rinzler ever got involved. I get the feeling that, as much as has been said about the making of the third movie, there's definitely more to know, and a seriously in-depth look could be incredibly interesting, especially given that its production was by far the biggest shitshow in the series.
I'd also shit kittens if he went on to complete the series and do Resurrection, because even Lauzirika's excellent documentary doesn't honestly tell you that much about its making.
Yeah, 'Superior Firepower' pretty much scratches my Aliens itch. By all accounts it was a reasonably happy shoot (for the crew, if not for Cameron and Hurd), and everyone seemed pleased and more than happy to talk about it.
Not so for Alien3, and there's lots of people we never heard from. Maybe time will have loosened some lips a bit, a la Ralph Brown's wonderful set diaries that popped up a while back...
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 23, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
I think they should put Fincher in dark room, strap his hands and legs and finally make him watch Assembly's Cut so he can finally admit what a masterpiece he did
https://cdn1-www.mandatory.com/assets/uploads/2014/08/file_1053469_MENS_Frozen_01_clockwork-orange_Photofest_clockwork_fr_1920b.jpg
But Fincher had nothing to do with the Assembly Cut.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 24, 2019, 04:11:20 PM
By all accounts it was a reasonably happy shoot
Aside from the male lead that got busted for possession a couple of weeks into filming, the cinematographer that got fired during filming because he and Cameron didn't get along, Cameron's issues with the British film crew and the subsequent crew walkouts, the brakes failing on the APC, the roof of the APC collapsing, some of the cast almost suffocating, James Horner's conflict with Cameron and the troubled creation of the film's score...
I want to see a dramatic re-enactment of Cameron being interrupted by the tea time lady.
Now I'm kind of picturing a jovial and plump tea-lady walking up to Cameron in the midst of a difficult and complex take and asking him if he would like some "Earl Grey and sticky buns, lovey".
Come to think of it, didn't someone spike Cameron's drink with PCP or LSD on Titanic? Maybe they figured he needed to loosen-up a bit?
I imagine him erupting like Christian Bale did on the set of Terminator Salvation and making her cry.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 24, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 24, 2019, 04:11:20 PM
By all accounts it was a reasonably happy shoot
Aside from the male lead that got busted for possession a couple of weeks into filming, the cinematographer that got fired during filming because he and Cameron didn't get along, Cameron's issues with the British film crew and the subsequent crew walkouts, the brakes failing on the APC, the roof of the APC collapsing, some of the cast almost suffocating, James Horner's conflict with Cameron and the troubled creation of the film's score...
Damn, I forgot about all those! Maybe I do need to buy the book. :D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 24, 2019, 07:14:36 PM
I imagine him erupting like Christian Bale did on the set of Terminator Salvation and making her cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auwpvAU2YA
Another Hollyweird Prima-Donna.
This version always reminds me of Xenomrph for some reason.
Didn't he beat up his own mother?
And sister. Allegedly. Never charged though.
Bale sounds like Ant Middleton after having broken a nail.
But Cameron would have apologized to the tea-lady afterwards since he is a Canadian.
Bless his heart, I didn't know that.
Ya, but he's like a Canadian with a hockey stick.
Any news on this book?
Release Date delayed to 5th May 2020.
Rinzler write great books, but he sure doesn't work too hard at making his tweets coherent. :D
I hope the interior images aren't microscopic like the ALIEN book.
Rinzler has written about a dozen books. Many of them 'Making of...' titles.
I'd say he's got a format down pat; but layout will ultimately depend on the publisher. As 'The Making of ALIENS' is a 2nd volume in the series, expect a duplicated layout to match the first one.
-Windebieste.
Tiny Drake pics is better than no Drake pics.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 07, 2019, 11:16:21 PM
Rinzler has written about a dozen books. Many of them 'Making of...' titles.
I'd say he's got a format down pat; but layout will ultimately depend on the publisher. As 'The Making of ALIENS' is a 2nd volume in the series, expect a duplicated layout to match the first one.
-Windebieste.
That's a shame. Some really interesting images in the first volume in the series (ALIEN), but they're so bloody
small.
It's a pity, but one I can live with, I just desperately want all of the first three.
He mentioned the other week that as far as he knows there aren't any plans for a book on the third film :( Here's hoping he's just not been approached with it yet.
Aw, c'mon, but it's by far the most interesting one!
That was the response he received :laugh:
I actually still need to get through the first.
I'd actually be happy to take I book for every film in the series to be honest.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
He mentioned the other week that as far as he knows there aren't any plans for a book on the third film :( Here's hoping he's just not been approached with it yet.
I imagine this'll be down to the merger. Seems everyone who had been managing stuff like this from Fox's side aren't there anymore. I finally heard from someone at Disney last week, so looks like they're starting to sort themselves out on our front.
Fingers crossed then.
Please happen then!
I hope you hear from someone soon regarding Alien³'s status.
Titan Books has the release date on Sept 1st.
https://titanbooks.com/70133-the-making-of-aliens/
Good. September is good for me.
Some previews up on Amazon.
Spoiler
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Some previews up on Amazon.
Spoiler
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I'm sold.
have this preordered on amazon, can't wait!
Sold
Pulled forward.
woot! some good news on the publishing front, after those dark horse cancellations
This is gonna wind up beating that 40th Anniversary art book at this rate. :D
Is this book actually any good? By that I mean new photos? Concept drawings? Stuff never seen before?
Rinzler's books are always off-the-chart information-wise, but I have to admit his ALIEN book didn't contain a lot of visual information I hadn't seen before.
I'd still highly recommend this based on his prior books alone, even though I'm not gonna buy it, because this film doesn't really mean nearly as much to me as the original. 'Superior Firepower' will do the trick for me...
p-o: i think it's the most definitive behind the scenes source for the 1979 film, for sure
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
Is this book actually any good? By that I mean new photos? Concept drawings? Stuff never seen before?
Wont know until it comes out. The first book had a bunch of lesser-seen Polaroids from Giger's diary which was a nice treat, since that's a pricey tome. But if Alien is anything to go by, this is a must buy. The thoroughness is going to be off the charts. Really looking forward to finding out which performers were inside the Alien suits in a given scene.
The smaller page count is disappointing. I'll still get a copy. ALIENS isn't as near and dear to me as the original film.
It'll make a nice companion piece to the ALIEN volume.
Got this on pre order. Can't wait.
Missus has pre-ordered for me (was my birthday present suggestion to her. She jokingly argued that at $56 it was $51 over her budget ... HAHAHA).
Given current the global pandemic and also it affecting worldwide shipping I hope it gets here in time for mid November.
I think my review copy is being delivered today. Will confirm later. But regardless, I'm really frigging looking forward to it!
Yep! Been delivered! ;D
so excited for you, hicks! can't wait to hear what you think ;D
Finished reading through the RPG corebook completely so my sights are now on Making of Aliens! I read through the first chapter last night/this morning and I'm already really please. Some good pre-Aliens setup with Jim, Gale and Bill, but also, and this is one of those "what new stuff can you possibly show me?" moments.
Remember the document that Hill and Giler handed Cameron after their meeting, where "some bullshit happens"? Rinzler actually dug that up! It's not the full 5 page in here, but the one page synopsis. And it's pretty interesting, in that "I'm glad this didn't happen" kind of way.
Spoiler
They discover that the Aliens are the anti-life force, and somehow discover a way within the Derelict to make the Aliens implode. LV-426 had been properly terraformed and was a farming colony. Lots of time inside the Derelict. They can't nuke the planet in case all the eggs fly off and infect the universe...
Which was actually something from one of those could-have-been Alien 2s in the official magazine.
:laugh:
That sounds so stupid
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2020, 07:16:20 AM
Spoiler
They discover that the Aliens are the anti-life force, and somehow discover a way within the Derelict to make the Aliens implode. LV-426 had been properly terraformed and was a farming colony. Lots of time inside the Derelict. They can't nuke the planet in case all the eggs fly off and infect the universe...
Maybe that's how the egg got on the Sulaco? Either via the Atmo-Nebraskaplosion or Ripley nuking the joint from orbit? ;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 18, 2020, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2020, 07:16:20 AM
Spoiler
They discover that the Aliens are the anti-life force, and somehow discover a way within the Derelict to make the Aliens implode. LV-426 had been properly terraformed and was a farming colony. Lots of time inside the Derelict. They can't nuke the planet in case all the eggs fly off and infect the universe...
Maybe that's how the egg got on the Sulaco? Either via the Atmo-Nebraskaplosion or Ripley nuking the joint from orbit? ;D
Hee hee hee... :laugh:
And in another thing I wasn't expecting, turns out that story about Cameron not finishing Aliens before going to make Terminator, those 90 pages weren't just the first 90 pages of the finished draft. Rinzler included a synopsis of that and the notable changes in it too. Some specific points are:
Spoiler
It had Lydecker as a xenospecialist who accompanied the marines onto the planet. And Jonesy died in cryosleep. They built a synthetic one to replace him and didn't tell Ripley until they were trying to convince her to come with. Dicks.
Well now I have to get this one too.
Spoiler
Jonesy died ? NOOOOOOOOOOO! :'( f**kers
I don't get how "your cat is a synth" would've make her go back to LV-426
But it would be interesting in a sense that nonbody would be able to praise Specimen for introducing synthetic animal
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2020, 07:32:13 AMSpoiler
And Jonesy died in cryosleep. They built a synthetic one to replace him and didn't tell Ripley until they were trying to convince her to come with. Dicks.
noooooo! :'(
Nooo is right. So glad they didn't go with that idea.
Hicks, when is the review going up for this book?
When I've finished it. It's a big ass book to get through so it's going to take me some time to get through. Honestly though, I can't imagine not recommending it. There's some presentation issues whenever there's a word with 2 fs in it and that's the only real annoying so far. I'm really enjoying it so far.
How does it look next to the first, on a shelf? The spines i mean.
I'll take you a picture when I get home.
Nice. Thanks man.
Still need to finish the first book :laugh:
I'm so slow sometimes. It's so good but very dense. Hoping the second is the same.
Here you go.
Nice. Thanks Hicks
Nice collection Hicks!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2020, 07:32:04 AM
Here you go.
Is that an AvP Requiem book I see...?
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/m2Q7FEc0bEr4I/giphy.gif)
Perhaps the only Requiem item that is bright enough that it actually can be seen.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 24, 2020, 07:59:53 PM
Perhaps the only Requiem item that is bright enough that it actually can be seen.
:laugh: Good one!
But
BOOM!
Still look like garbage, boom nothing.
Garbage movie deserves to be viewed pitch black and on 'mute'.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 24, 2020, 10:08:38 PM
Garbage movie deserves to be viewed pitch black and on 'mute'.
I finally have a an AvPR review quote I can use from Elmazalman!
"deserves to be viewed" - Elmazalman
;D
Let's not derail folk. (And yes it was the making of AvPR)
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/titan-books-the-making-of-aliens-j-w-rinzler
QuoteTo honor the filmmaking expertise that is the legacy of Aliens, Titan Books is launching a lavish coffee table book titled The Making of Aliens (available Aug. 25), which will serve as a definitive guide to the creation of a true modern classic — and SYFY WIRE has an exclusive look inside its many secrets.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2020, 05:22:08 AM
Let's not derail folk. (And yes it was the making of AvPR)
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/titan-books-the-making-of-aliens-j-w-rinzler
QuoteTo honor the filmmaking expertise that is the legacy of Aliens, Titan Books is launching a lavish coffee table book titled The Making of Aliens (available Aug. 25), which will serve as a definitive guide to the creation of a true modern classic — and SYFY WIRE has an exclusive look inside its many secrets.
This article states "
300-page hardcover" book. Is it 300 pages?
my copy has been shipped today! :D
hicks: is it holding its own against the making of alien?
I've got this but not had the chance to read it yet.
Quote from: j0nesy on Aug 25, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
hicks: is it holding its own against the making of alien?
I'm preferring Alien so far, but this is still very good.
it has a lot to live up to, that's for sure
i can't dig in until another 3 weeks (i'm terrible to buy gifts for; my gf persuaded me to let her give it to me on my birthday- won't even let me have it early haha) :P
Quote from: j0nesy on Aug 30, 2020, 04:26:22 PM
it has a lot to live up to, that's for sure
i can't dig in until another 3 weeks (i'm terrible to buy gifts for; my gf persuaded me to let her give it to me on my birthday- won't even let me have it early haha) :P
At least you only have three weeks. :laugh: I've been dropping hints to my boyfriend that I want this book for Christmas--already treated myself to The Art of Alien: Isolation and am trying to watch my spending.
Got my copy. Haven't seen much new in the way of photos but looks a good solid read.
Hoping we get Alien 3...
Quote from: drsmuts on Aug 30, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
Got my copy. Haven't seen much new in the way of photos but looks a good solid read.
Hoping we get Alien 3...
Doesn't look like it.... https://paulsemel.com/exclusive-interview-the-making-of-aliens-writer-j-w-rinzler/
"Having written The Making Of Alien and The Making Of Aliens, the next logical step would be for you to do The Making Of Alien 3. Is that the plan?
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
Interesting and informative interview. Thanks for posting this.
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Quote from: drsmuts on Aug 30, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
Got my copy. Haven't seen much new in the way of photos but looks a good solid read.
Hoping we get Alien 3...
Doesn't look like it.... https://paulsemel.com/exclusive-interview-the-making-of-aliens-writer-j-w-rinzler/
"Having written The Making Of Alien and The Making Of Aliens, the next logical step would be for you to do The Making Of Alien 3. Is that the plan?
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
Thanks for the link. Kind of want to read All Up now.
Shame about no making of Alien 3; I'm skipping Making of Aliens, but I'd have bought A3 in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
I still feel the uncut version is probably shy a few judicious c-bombs short of the full story.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
I just don't think there would be enough demand for it except for us Alien & Predator philes unfortunately. And among even us philes, some only support the first two films. As a whole, I just think the general movie fan populace do not chase material deemed rightly or wrongly as inferior (which is bad news for Alien3 & Resurrection.) If our fanbase was as huge as Star Wars, maybe, but sadly.. :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
I just don't think there would be enough demand for it except for us Alien & Predator philes unfortunately. And among even us philes, some only support the first two films. As a whole, I just think the general movie fan populace do not chase material deemed rightly or wrongly as inferior (which is bad news for Alien3 & Resurrection.) If our fanbase was as huge as Star Wars, maybe, but sadly.. :-\
I think you are completely right here. It's a damn shame because imagine what Rinzler might dig up.
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Quote from: drsmuts on Aug 30, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
Got my copy. Haven't seen much new in the way of photos but looks a good solid read.
Hoping we get Alien 3...
Doesn't look like it.... https://paulsemel.com/exclusive-interview-the-making-of-aliens-writer-j-w-rinzler/
"Having written The Making Of Alien and The Making Of Aliens, the next logical step would be for you to do The Making Of Alien 3. Is that the plan?
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
That's a shame.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 31, 2020, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
I just don't think there would be enough demand for it except for us Alien & Predator philes unfortunately. And among even us philes, some only support the first two films. As a whole, I just think the general movie fan populace do not chase material deemed rightly or wrongly as inferior (which is bad news for Alien3 & Resurrection.) If our fanbase was as huge as Star Wars, maybe, but sadly.. :-\
I think you are completely right here. It's a damn shame because imagine what Rinzler might dig up.
I can't imagine Making of Alien/s has any more mass appeal than a Making of 3 would. I wouldn't expect general public to pick up Making Of books. If anything, I think 3 would have more appeal outside of the fanbase due to its mess of a development than the first 2. I'm aware of the 3rd being used in film studies because of that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 05:26:33 PM
I can't imagine Making of Alien/s has any more mass appeal than a Making of 3 would. I wouldn't expect general public to pick up Making Of books. If anything, I think 3 would have more appeal outside of the fanbase due to its mess of a development than the first 2. I'm aware of the 3rd being used in film studies because of that.
It's been my experience
movie lovers will pick up making of books, which just corleates. They have The Terminator and T2: Judgment Day on the blu shelf as well as the bookshelf. They're classics. But T3, etc. is nowhere to be found. Same thing as Godfather I & 2 (not 3) and same goes with Alien & Aliens on home video. All the good movies make their home video and book shelves and the "bad ones" do not. Not many want to read a few hundred pages about a movie they dislike. And I am certainly an example of this behavior. :)
I suspect the only real selling point would be if Fincher wanted to get involved which we already know he wouldnt.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 05:54:44 PMIt's been my experience movie lovers will pick up making of books, which just corleates. They have The Terminator and T2: Judgment Day on the blu shelf as well as the bookshelf. They're classics.
It's my experience a ton of "movie lovers" have no interest in books about movies.
I'd consider myself a movie lover. I've got literally hundreds of DVDs on my shelves. The only making-of books I have relate to the
Alien series. And I'd love a comprehensive
Alien 3 book more than any of them.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 31, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 05:54:44 PMIt's been my experience movie lovers will pick up making of books, which just corleates. They have The Terminator and T2: Judgment Day on the blu shelf as well as the bookshelf. They're classics.
It's my experience a ton of "movie lovers" have no interest in books about movies.
I'd consider myself a movie lover. I've got literally hundreds of DVDs on my shelves. The only making-of books I have relate to the Alien series. And I'd love a comprehensive Alien 3 book more than any of them.
A ton? Did you weigh them? ;D
Dude. You're a hardcore Alien fan. You work on Xenopedia. Of course you feel that way.
On my shelf I have T1 and T2 books. No T3 and Salvation. Making of 300. No 300 Rise of the Empire book. Thor Ragnarok both the Art and Making Of Books. No Thor or Thor: The Dark World Books. It's why we are getting David Cronenberg's The Fly book but probably will never see a book on its sequel. There's often just not enough market for the perceived lesser movies unfortunately.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 31, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
It's my experience a ton of "movie lovers" have no interest in books about movies.
So now you have experience with it! : 8)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Mpavlic on Aug 31, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Fox has told me they don't want to do a book on Alien 3. I don't know why."
I hope that was pre-Disney Fox, and now they might be open to. Seems silly that they'd go shy about how much of a mess that film was after we've already got CdL's documentaries.
I just don't think there would be enough demand for it except for us Alien & Predator philes unfortunately. And among even us philes, some only support the first two films. As a whole, I just think the general movie fan populace do not chase material deemed rightly or wrongly as inferior (which is bad news for Alien3 & Resurrection.) If our fanbase was as huge as Star Wars, maybe, but sadly.. :-\
A mediocre sequel such as JAWS 2, has two 'making of' books devoted to it (the second book reissued in an expanded volume).
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 05:26:33 PM
I can't imagine Making of Alien/s has any more mass appeal than a Making of 3 would. I wouldn't expect general public to pick up Making Of books. If anything, I think 3 would have more appeal outside of the fanbase due to its mess of a development than the first 2. I'm aware of the 3rd being used in film studies because of that.
It's been my experience movie lovers will pick up making of books, which just corleates. They have The Terminator and T2: Judgment Day on the blu shelf as well as the bookshelf. They're classics. But T3, etc. is nowhere to be found. Same thing as Godfather I & 2 (not 3) and same goes with Alien & Aliens on home video. All the good movies make their home video and book shelves and the "bad ones" do not. Not many want to read a few hundred pages about a movie they dislike. And I am certainly an example of this behavior. :)
Unfortunately, people own the "bad ones" because these films are released in boxed sets. I own the garbage that is
Godfather Part III and
ALIEN: Resurrection.
No truthful 'Making of Alien 3' book could avoid making Fox look like a bunch of controlling, artless, money-grubbing bastards. So naturally they wouldn't want such a book out there.
But I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ;D
Well, now there's technically no more "Fox". So ...
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 31, 2020, 10:01:09 PM
But I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ;D
Me too.
:)
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 31, 2020, 09:42:05 PM
A mediocre sequel such as JAWS 2, has two 'making of' books devoted to it (the second book reissued in an expanded volume).
I always kind of enjoyed Jaws 2, probably because it was the only other Jaws with Roy. Did Jaws 3-D and Jaws The Revenge get one?
But it's all about if they feel it can make money on it right? If the juice is worth the squeeze? (Unless it's an unauthorized labor of love.). With Star Wars, bad, good, doesn't matter. It will all likely sell I think. Other franchises like Robocop, Terminator, Alien, Predator, The Thing, etc. I get any trepidation with books on anything other than the perceived classic installments, especially the more robust the book.
QuoteUnfortunately, people own the "bad ones" because these films are released in boxed sets. I own the garbage that is Godfather Part III and ALIEN: Resurrection.
Yeah, :laugh:, same on both.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 31, 2020, 10:01:09 PM
No truthful 'Making of Alien 3' book could avoid making Fox look like a bunch of controlling, artless, money-grubbing bastards. So naturally they wouldn't want such a book out there.
But I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ;D
Not a great admirer of the film, but the book could potentially be the most interesting of the three volumes.
Such a book would have to be
utterly truthful in its account of the making of the film though. Anything less would be a waste of ink.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 31, 2020, 06:22:23 PMOn my shelf I have T1 and T2 books. No T3 and Salvation. Making of 300. No 300 Rise of the Empire book. Thor Ragnarok both the Art and Making Of Books. No Thor or Thor: The Dark World Books. It's why we are getting David Cronenberg's The Fly book but probably will never see a book on its sequel. There's often just not enough market for the perceived lesser movies unfortunately.
Sure.
But I've got mates who own even more films than me and not a making-of book in sight.
Most of the time I imagine you have to be
really invested in the movie/series to buy books like this.
And.....you have to be a "reader".
If you look at comics today vs comics from years ago the panels were full of word balloons. Not so today.
Movies come with deleted scenes,makings of and commentaries.
And I agree you have to be "really invested" to purchase a printed book such as this.
Yes, really invested, in the movie, but not necessarily the fandom itself. An example for me is Mad Max: Fury road. That film was so good to me I picked up the art book, I acquired all the prequel comics post release and the trade, but you won't find me in Mad Max communities or seeking out content on "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" because it wasnt the same joyous experience for me as Fury Road. A hardcore Mad Max fan would, but not me. I'm just into really good movies, I'm into moviemaking and learning how a great movie got made. :)
I guess, someone who already purchased Making of Alien/Aliens books would happily pay once more for a third one
They could reasonably base projected sales on how well the other two did, and compare with how Alien-3 related merchandise does compared to the other films.
I still feel their resistance wasn't purely financially motivated though.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 11:10:11 AM
I still feel their resistance wasn't purely financially motivated though.
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Here's another good example even here. On the Predator: The Archive thread, a few people got excited over the upcoming Fly book:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64093.0
I'm betting there's a good chance Fly II would not elicit the same responses at the same frequency, i.e. less sales, regardless if it may have an interesting backstory. That is what I think Alien3 and Alien Resurrection is partially up against.
My copy of this is arriving today.
Though I, ashamedly, have not yet broken into my copy of last year's The Making of Alien yet soooo... it might be a little bit of time before I give this one a go. :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 01, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
I'm betting there's a good chance Fly II would not elicit the same responses at the same frequency, i.e. less sales, regardless if it may have an interesting backstory. That is what I think Alien3 and Alien Resurrection is partially up against.
You'll have to forgive me if this is talking out of my ass, but Alien 3 is notorious for its production troubles, making it "more" than just a poorly received film.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 01, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Though I, ashamedly, have not yet broken into my copy of last year's The Making of Alien yet soooo... it might be a little bit of time before I give this one a go. :D
Ha. I'm still slowly working my way through. I can beast through the novels and comics quite easily, but these ones take me longer to digest.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 01, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
I'm betting there's a good chance Fly II would not elicit the same responses at the same frequency, i.e. less sales, regardless if it may have an interesting backstory. That is what I think Alien3 and Alien Resurrection is partially up against.
You'll have to forgive me if this is talking out of my ass, but Alien 3 is notorious for its production troubles, making it "more" than just a poorly received film.
Haha. Thanks a lot. All I can envision now is this! :laugh:
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Since I'm so close to these franchises, I try my best (sometimes unsuccessfully) to remove myself from the equation. I try to think of films I'm not a fan of... recent stuff like Ant-Man or Solo, films that I do not like and had production troubles including director resignations / firings, and would I be interested in investing money and time in such a book to read about the woes. At least personally, I lean to not when I'm not a fan of the movie.
Then again, we're assuming this Alien3 book would even get into the nitty-gritty of the infighting. If David Fincher himself wrote it, then all bets are off! ;D
With Alien and Aliens being highly successful lighting in a bottle stories. In terms of a BTS story though Alien³ takes the cake, nothing comes close to it's infamous production troubles, except perhaps Dune.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 01, 2020, 04:54:35 PM
With Alien and Aliens being highly successful lighting in a bottle stories. In terms of a BTS story though Alien³ takes the cake, nothing comes close to it's infamous production troubles, except perhaps Dune.
The Predator ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 01, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
Here's another good example even here. On the Predator: The Archive thread, a few people got excited over the upcoming Fly book:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64093.0
I'm betting there's a good chance Fly II would not elicit the same responses at the same frequency, i.e. less sales, regardless if it may have an interesting backstory. That is what I think Alien3 and Alien Resurrection is partially up against.
You know, if the
PREDATOR book only covered the first two Kevin Peter Hall films, I'd be interested.
Looking forward to
The Fly book. About time. There's enough gruesome imagery in the film to make the book really special - nice 'n' juicy.
Was visiting a second hand book store yesterday and saw Rinzler's Making of Star Wars for sale for $50. Was tempted but watching the bank balance right now.
Quote from: Prez on Sep 02, 2020, 01:33:19 AM
Was visiting a second hand book store yesterday and saw Rinzler's Making of Star Wars for sale for $50. Was tempted but watching the bank balance right now.
Was it the expanded version with the storyboards at the end of the book?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
Ha. I'm still slowly working my way through. I can beast through the novels and comics quite easily, but these ones take me longer to digest.
i'm totally the same; i breeze through the books & comics but
the making of alien was something i had to tackle bit by bit, there's just so much info to take in
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 01, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
You know, if the PREDATOR book only covered the first two Kevin Peter Hall films, I'd be interested.
If I had to guess, the first Predator gets over 50% of the book, and the sequels share the remainder.
QuoteLooking forward to The Fly book. About time. There's enough gruesome imagery in the film to make the book really special - nice 'n' juicy.
Can't agree enough!! :)
What is this Fly book you guys keep talking about?
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 02, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
What is this Fly book you guys keep talking about?
You'll find the info here: :)
https://media.titanbooks.com/rights/guides/files/spring_2020_non_fiction_rights_guide_titan.pdf
My copy of this finally arrived yesterday. I should start reading the first one now. :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 02, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
What is this Fly book you guys keep talking about?
You'll find the info here: :)
https://media.titanbooks.com/rights/guides/files/spring_2020_non_fiction_rights_guide_titan.pdf
Thank bro. Sounds interesting.
I noticed the the Alien Illustrated story original art edition is listed there as available? I thought that was long out of print.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 02, 2020, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 02, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
What is this Fly book you guys keep talking about?
You'll find the info here: :)
https://media.titanbooks.com/rights/guides/files/spring_2020_non_fiction_rights_guide_titan.pdf
Thank bro. Sounds interesting.
I noticed the the Alien Illustrated story original art edition is listed there as available? I thought that was long out of print.
An excellent publication. I'm glad I have a copy. I have the standard
Art Edition, without the Walter Simonson signature.
Very interesting Walter Simonson interview is included (talking about seeing an early assembly cut in late '78), along with unused sample ALIEN artwork.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:53:57 AM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 02, 2020, 01:33:19 AM
Was visiting a second hand book store yesterday and saw Rinzler's Making of Star Wars for sale for $50. Was tempted but watching the bank balance right now.
Was it the expanded version with the storyboards at the end of the book?
TBH I don't know. I literally had a quick flick through before I had to leave for a client meeting.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 01, 2020, 04:45:55 PM
Then again, we're assuming this Alien3 book would even get into the nitty-gritty of the infighting. If David Fincher himself wrote it, then all bets are off! ;D
Because that's been Rinzler's style. A very thorough look at them. It's why Alien was so impressive, and why Aliens has been so enjoyable so far.
Don't they look lovely together.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE6vpgRjlUw/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Indeed! 👍
Got my copy yesterday morning. Haven't opened it yet. Beautiful cover design. Love the purple.
They do look very nice together.
Wish the author would tackle some more classics: The Exorcist (1973) and The Shining (1980).
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 09, 2020, 10:30:57 PM
Got my copy yesterday morning. Haven't opened it yet. Beautiful cover design. Love the purple.
They do look very nice together.
Wish the author would tackle some more classics: The Exorcist (1973) and The Shining (1980).
I'd pony up for that!
Quote from: Prez on Sep 09, 2020, 03:01:26 PMDon't they look lovely together.
D'you know what'd look lovelier?
Alien 3 sat alongside.
For the UKian's.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 09, 2020, 03:01:26 PMDon't they look lovely together.
D'you know what'd look lovelier?
Alien 3 sat alongside.
A-f**king-men.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 09, 2020, 03:01:26 PMDon't they look lovely together.
D'you know what'd look lovelier?
Alien 3 sat alongside.
A-f**king-men.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 09, 2020, 03:01:26 PMDon't they look lovely together.
D'you know what'd look lovelier?
Alien 3 sat alongside.
A-f**king-men.
Do we dare ask for that 4th book then too to complete the set.
I think they all have interesting behind the scenes stories, so why not.
A deep dive into all the directors that could've been would be interesting.
I'm won't lie, I'd buy the shit out of a book on the fourth film if they did it.
Always said Resurrection's been disappointingly light on BTS stuff. Even Lauzirika's doc, excellent as it was, felt a bit wishy-washy compared to the other three.
Maybe the shoot was just that smooth there's nothing interesting to tell :laugh:
Quote from: Prez on Sep 15, 2020, 05:11:40 AM
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Quote from: Prez on Sep 09, 2020, 03:01:26 PMDon't they look lovely together.
D'you know what'd look lovelier?
Alien 3 sat alongside.
A-f**king-men.
Do we dare ask for that 4th book then too to complete the set.
I just don't think we'll ever see a complete set unfortunately.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 15, 2020, 05:34:00 PM
The making of snaliens...
and.....
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The whole reason the Anthology Documentaries got started in the first place's because of Charles de Lauzirika's interest in doing a deep dive into Alien³ first of all, with him being happy enough to cover Aliens and Alien also to do it, but he's said in the past the reason the AR documentary's the way it is came out of a place of an absence of interest in comparison to the rest.
If it never happens I think I will just stick to the one on the original though honestly.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Sep 16, 2020, 05:01:36 AM
The whole reason the Anthology Documentaries got started in the first place's because of Charles de Lauzirika's interest in doing a deep dive into Alien³ first of all, with him being happy enough to cover Aliens and Alien also to do it, but he's said in the past the reason the AR documentary's the way it is came out of a place of an absence of interest in comparison to the rest.
I believe they also just ran out of time too.
I'd take a Rinzler book for Resurrection, if purely for him digging up the Newt pitch.
Unwrapped my copy last night and leafed through it. Great book, and a worthy companion to the first volume.
Only need to find the time to read it (along with ALIEN and the STAR WARS trilogy 'making of' books).
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 27, 2020, 05:18:02 AM
Unwrapped my copy last night and leafed through it. Great book, and a worthy companion to the first volume.
Only need to find the time to read it (along with ALIEN and the STAR WARS trilogy 'making of' books).
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Ditto to the last sentence.
Rinzler's books are definitely a commitment, to get the full blow-by-blow feel of making the film. Not the kind of thing you'd read dribs and drabs of here and there. Hope you guys find the time! :)
Alien 3.
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Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 28, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
Rinzler's books are definitely a commitment, to get the full blow-by-blow feel of making the film. Not the kind of thing you'd read dribs and drabs of here and there. Hope you guys find the time! :)
Just told the missus, the kids and my boss that I'm taking a month off and they won't see me at all for that time. Taking 2 books with me. Guess which ones?
;D
I don't think Fincher would even want to get close to Alien 3. He hates this film and everything connected with it. And without him, the book will be incomplete.
And I finished this at the weekend! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Another winner from Rinzler as far as I'm concerned. My nitpicks are minor and very very few. Looking forward to sitting down to give it a proper write-up soon, but like Alien, if you're interested in the behind-the-scenes of the films, it's a must-buy.
I'm really itching to get both of these, but with the house move funds are tighter than a gnat's arsehole at the moment.
Hopefully they won't go out of print any time soon and I can pick them up a little further down the line.
Oh, I forgot to mention! Our interview with Cynthia Scott is used in this. I'm cited in the sources...with a credit to Xenopedia instead of here...ooops.
:laugh: Whoops.
Clearly Rinzler's not as savvy with the interwebs as he is with movie archives.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention! Our interview with Cynthia Scott is used in this. I'm cited in the sources...with a credit to Xenopedia instead of here...ooops.
That's a nit worth pickin'!
Review's up! :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/j-w-rinzlers-the-making-of-aliens/
No Alien 3? That a disappointment.
As far as we currently know.
I think we'd be more likely to get a Making of Prometheus before a Making of Alien 3.
I'd be up for that. I was thinking about it the other night and I don't think Rinzler would even have enough adequate time to research and write one on Alien 3. He gets like 4 months? Be nice if they did just go all in on it and give him time to do it properly.
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Review's up! :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/j-w-rinzlers-the-making-of-aliens/
Definitely whet my appetite for the book.
I'll get it one day!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 28, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Alien 3.
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Nice review Hicks! Twas a good read!
Awfully sad news that J W Rinzler is fighting Stage 4 pancreatic cancer.
Holy shit.... I had no idea about that. That is terrible... :-\
Quote from: drsmuts on Nov 16, 2020, 11:51:16 PM
Awfully sad news that J W Rinzler is fighting Stage 4 pancreatic cancer.
Holy shit, that's awful :(
I hadn't heard that either. :'( Sorry to hear, but wishing him the best!
News to me as well. Very sad to hear it. All the best.
https://twitter.com/jwrinzler/status/1330269759233880064
http://www.jwrinzler.com/blog/jwr-update-from-genevieve-rinzler
Pancreatic cancer is the f**king worst.
Little late but just ordered both books
It's never too late
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It's never too late
Thats right. I waited for the Aliens book to get both but then at the time I was changing jobs so it was a busy time. Now I can finally sit down and enjoy both at obce (once they come in)
The Aliens book came first and I couldnt wait for the first one to arrive so started with the Aliens one. At first I didnt really see much if any new information, but as the book starts to reach the production there are quite a few nuggets there. Really enjoy it, and the choices for the photos, although weirdly enough theres almost no photos of the actual alien throughout the book!
I only just started reading Rinzlers Making of ESB book. Got to finish that, then ROTJ, then Alien, then Aliens.
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I only just started reading Rinzlers Making of ESB book. Got to finish that, then ROTJ, then Alien, then Aliens.
The
only order to read these in... ;D
No spoilers now. :)
Im in the middle of the book but all I can say is that I didnt expect to learn anything new but its very interesting the deeper we go
I have his making of STAR WARS and ALIEN books, but haven't read any of them yet. I did spend a few hours going through the ALIEN book. An interesting deleted scene, involving Ash's attack on Ripley, was filmed - one that also made it into the comic book adaptation.
I was hoping to get some more information on the deleted shots of the Alien, hunkered down in profile next to an air shaft opening (the same one that Parker & Lambert covered earlier, when tracking Dallas), intercut with Ripley searching for Jones on the ship's bridge. Oh well.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 10, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
I have his making of STAR WARS and ALIEN books, but haven't read any of them yet. I did spend a few hours going through the ALIEN book. An interesting deleted scene, involving Ash's attack on Ripley, was filmed - one that also made it into the comic book adaptation.
I was hoping to get some more information on the deleted shots of the Alien, hunkered down in profile next to an air shaft opening (the same one that Parker & Lambert covered earlier, when tracking Dallas), intercut with Ripley searching for Jones on the ship's bridge. Oh well.
Likewise got both of his Alien books but simply haven't had time to really digest them thoroughly. I'd love to get his Star Wars ones.
Found out the other day he did an Indiana Jones one too, which interests me.
I have his Indy book, though I have not yet actually sat down to read it.
I finished the Aliens book and Im about a quarter into Alien. I cant put it down and I know all the making od docs by memory
Posting here, since this is the most recently relevant thread:
https://twitter.com/jwrinzler/status/1385972455445909505
Of course they're not. :D
"However, The Un-Making of Alien 3 will be out next year."
To echo people in the replies: Ask Disney.
Would be worth making some noise so Titan might approach Disney to try again.
Can I write an extensive email? I don't have Twitter.
A making-of Alien3 would arguably be the most interesting making-of for the entire series.
Yeah. I confess I've still not got around to getting his first two books, but given how good everyone says they are, the lack of a similar tome for the third movie sucks much hairy balls.
Personally I don't get why they wouldn't finish it off with the 3rd and even the 4th...
Tbh I think I'd be as excited about a Rinzler book on the fourth movie as I would the third, just because it's comparatively virgin territory.
Same. I'd hope he'd dig up that Newt treatment.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 24, 2021, 03:03:48 PM
Posting here, since this is the most recently relevant thread:
https://twitter.com/jwrinzler/status/1385972455445909505
For the first time since 1992, Fox showed prudence. I would prefer to skip A3 and AR and go directly to Prometheus/Covenant. Although they have the same probability of creating...
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Apr 25, 2021, 06:13:26 AM
Personally I don't get why they wouldn't finish it off with the 3rd and even the 4th...
Even though it would be extremely interesting to most of us, I don't personally believe there would be a large enough audience for it to justify its cost.
Pehaps one way around it could be splitting one book between A3 and AR.
Alien 3 could probably fill two books in and of itself. :D
:laugh: indeed.
Judging by the replies, and the rarity of the Alien Trilogy Special Effects book, and the amount of money the Japanese making of book goes for-
And then let's not forget the ridiculous success of the various adaptations of William Gibson's screenplay.
I think people severely underestimate the popularity of a book on Alien³ itself alone.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 25, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
Judging by the replies, and the rarity of the Alien Trilogy Special Effects book, and the amount of money the Japanese making of book goes for-
And then let's not forget the ridiculous success of the various adaptations of William Gibson's screenplay.
I think people severely underestimate the popularity of a book on Alien³ itself alone.
Hopefully this conversation won't upset you because I know how passionate you are about Alien³, like I am of Predator 2.
But if we judged by replies, Marvel Comics Alien #1 would not have been the great seller it was. (An Alien Trilogy Special Effects book kind of eliminates itself from the equation for also covering Alien & Aliens.) And the Alien³ Japanese book secondary market price is all about supply versus demand. For instance, the Legendary Encounters Predator Deck Building Game goes for twice to three times as much money as their Alien game, but the Alien game sold more and received expansions while their Predator game did not.
Also, we have to factor in that there's a portion of our very own fanbase that would reject anything other than Alien or Aliens in that quadrilogy.
And I wouldnt go so far to gauge William Gibson's screenplay as a "ridiculous" success, but it all goes to the money spent versus money earned. And novels and comic books are a lot cheaper to cover a production budget than these "Making of" books.
To conclude, I'm really not trying to be a bummer here, but just trying my best to be as realistic as I can. Like I don't think there will be a Predator 2 making of book in my lifetime (which has much less of a chance than an Alien³ book), although I have considered writing one myself a few times. But would a publisher even want it, is the question.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 24, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
A making-of Alien3 would arguably be the most interesting making-of for the entire series.
Arguably ?
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Posting here, since this is the most recently relevant thread:
https://twitter.com/jwrinzler/status/1385972455445909505
For the first time since 1992, Fox showed prudence. I would prefer to skip A3 and AR and go directly to Prometheus/Covenant. Although they have the same probability of creating...
>:(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 25, 2021, 05:25:40 PM
Like I don't think there will be a Predator 2 making of book in my lifetime (which has much less of a chance than an Alien³ book), although I have considered writing one myself a few times.
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I'm not necessarily just talking about the replies in here, I'm more referring to on Twitter every time it gets brought up, as for the Special Effects book although it features Alien and Aliens it's mainly covering Alien³ though and all the images on it pertain to that film specifically.
I don't think we'd get adaptations of William Gibson's screenplay in every commercial medium but film if it did not amount to a particularly noteworthy success.
But in truth I don't know the budgets allocated behind this sort of thing.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 25, 2021, 05:25:40 PM
Like I don't think there will be a Predator 2 making of book in my lifetime (which has much less of a chance than an Alien³ book), although I have considered writing one myself a few times.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o84sw9CmwYpAnRRni/giphy.gif
:laugh: Maybe. I guess I haven't fully ruled it out yet. Let's see how in depth the Predator Archive is first!
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 25, 2021, 05:48:05 PM
I'm not necessarily just talking about the replies in here, I'm more referring to on Twitter every time it gets brought up, as for the Special Effects book although it features Alien and Aliens it's mainly covering Alien³ though and all the images on it pertain to that film specifically.
I don't think we'd get adaptations of William Gibson's screenplay in every commercial medium but film if it did not amount to a particularly noteworthy success.
But in truth I don't know the budgets allocated behind this sort of thing.
I wouldn't personally suggest Twitter as a good metric to judge such matters either. It's always the silent majority that makes or breaks. :)
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Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 24, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
A making-of Alien3 would arguably be the most interesting making-of for the entire series.
Arguably ?
Given its historically troubled development, absolutely.
https://twitter.com/jwrinzler/status/1416820877929291776
This is so incredibly heartbreaking...
:'(
I do not have the words for how upset this makes me.
I'm really upset to hear too. Going to donate at the end of the month. Every little helps. I've shared on AvPG's FB and Twitter too.
I wish him all the best.
Oh man. This is shitty news.
Wishing him and his family the best.
Sorry to necro-thread, but I've finally started reading this, having received it for my birthday last year.
Most eye-opening thing so far is Cameron quitting the film twice before it even got off the ground.
Mostly thought this is making me a bit depressed that we'll never get a Rinzler volume on Alien 3.
I re-read his two Alien books every year in the winter time. Theyre so well written and so enjoyable