Following on from the previous news report, Daily Mail also talked to Ridley Scott and he’s only gone and made things even more confusing:
“Prometheus, Ridley declared, was not — as some have suggested — a prequel to his classic sci-fi shocker Alien. But he refused to divulge more.”
He also mentions production will start on Prometheus in 3 weeks and that he is really trying to keep the film in complete secrecy. “I was insistent that the script not leak onto the internet, where it gets dissected out of context, which spoils it for everyone.”
In regards to an unspecified cast member the article said: “Indeed, one of his actors told me that he could recite the entire screenplay to me — but then he'd have to wrestle me to the ground and, this was related in the nicest possible way, 'kill me.”
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" he is really trying to keep the film in complete secrecy. "
yeah hes doing a good job of that lmao
Whuh?
I'm confuzzled
WHAT THE FUDGE IS GOING ON?!!??????!
I think Ridley has probably had Fox saying 'if you call it a prequel, you limit this to the Alien franchise which only made $130? million in the last two AVP films. If you call it a stand-alone film you will get the Alien fans, Bladerunner fans, but also a new audience seeing a new film'
Can you imagine the promos - Ridley's first Sci-Fi film since Alien and Bladerunner - which have a great reputation.
I think people who know nothing about Alien will walk out of the movies happy, and us Alien fans will also see the connection to the original.
$250m is a lot of money. He probably had too make this 'stand-alone' business a condition of getting that money.
Accountants rule the industry folks $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
If Ridley dosen't want us knowing then I reckon its for the best, like everyone else I want to be surprised and shocked.
I think is for the best dont call it a Alien Prequel...
Most of people thinks the Alien franchise is just a bunch of action/horror movies like Friday13 and wont see it at all...
My friends look at me with prejudice when i talk that i'm a alien fan... ::)
Start a new franchise with Aliens on it (and not telling anyone) is the right thing to do to make more money ;D
So its not a prequel...
I wonder where in the timeline it takes place, if its even part of the timeline at all
Am I the only person who is deeply gutted by the change in direction this project has taken?
God, I was looking forward, so much to the prospect of my favourite sic-fi series finding some dignity in trusted hands. With even a mention from Mr Scott in the booklet accompanying my blu-ray set about things to come, I feel, as a fan I've just been given the finger. It would be so nice to see a really good new Alien film. Such a bummer.
So maybe a space jockey is in the film but its not the same one that was seen in the first alien film. Maybe the film takes place before or perhaps after the events of Alien, with its events having no baring on what else went on in the alien films.(or alien vs predator films thankfully)
So in that sense I guess you could say its not a prequel. It would be a spinoff. In the alien universe, featuring the aliens or alien, the space jockey, the aliens home planet(if the jockey and alien don't share the same home planet). I guess it would be like if a film featured the creatures from pitch black, but no Vin Diesel or any characters linked to that film.
Somebody is full of shit.
I'm not listening to anybody else until its released.
To the AVP Galaxy staff : if you were to put your hands on a bit of the script or the entirety of it, would you even put a link to some site which may give a chance for people to read said information?
i feel like the ONLY reference to the alien franchise is weyland industries and the space jockey. thats it. nothing more. nothing less. which is unfortunate because the franchise NEEDS a reboot, or a sequel, or prequel. Or some sort of definitive alien movie for the fans.
Quote from: Byohzrd on Feb 26, 2011, 07:32:31 AM
i feel like the ONLY reference to the alien franchise is weyland industries and the space jockey. thats it. nothing more. nothing less. which is unfortunate because the franchise NEEDS a reboot, or a sequel, or prequel. Or some sort of definitive alien movie for the fans.
A REBOOT? What the hell is wrong with you???
Quote from: Byohzrd on Feb 26, 2011, 07:32:31 AM
unfortunate because the franchise NEEDS a reboot, or a sequel, or prequel.
Four movies, six if you count the AvP films, is enough for any film franchise before it's being run down into the ground.
Just my two cents.
And reboots sometimes don't work.
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Quote from: Bum Burster on Feb 26, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
To the AVP Galaxy staff : if you were to put your hands on a bit of the script or the entirety of it, would you even put a link to some site which may give a chance for people to read said information?
No because the site could potentially get in shit over it. And anyone who does post the link will be banned.
I'm not sure about that Vul. We did post all the scripts for Harvest and Predators and not an eye was blinked.
Really? I thought shit like that could be tricky?
I would hope that IF the script did leak, that it wouldn't end up here. Wouldn't it be nice if we actually went to see the film not knowing a whole load about it? Some people seem so desperate to, in Ridley's own words, "dissect" it all that it's spoilt way before time.
If people didnt want to be spoiled by an upcoming movie they wouldnt spend their days going into a discussion forum about it
Quote from: Bakurenoh on Feb 26, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
If people didnt want to be spoiled by an upcoming movie they wouldnt spend their days going into a discussion forum about it
Discussing a few bits of released info is quite different to reading an entire script. It's nice to be read a little bit of news here and there, as long as it doesn't compeltely unearth everything the film will tell and show.
The space jockey was never actually named as the space jockey in the movie.
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 26, 2011, 11:15:58 AM
Really? I thought shit like that could be tricky?
Do get the occasional emails asking us to remove this or that but nothing drastic but that's mostly revolved around pictures and images.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 26, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
The space jockey was never actually named as the space jockey in the movie.
Yes it was you clearly havent seen the special features then have you...
ridley talks about the jockey plenty of times
Quote from: dandan on Feb 26, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 26, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
The space jockey was never actually named as the space jockey in the movie.
Yes it was you clearly havent seen the special features then have you...
ridley talks about the jockey plenty of times
I think you just proved his point.
In the film itself, I think he means. Space Jockey was never spoken in the films.
geeze.... I'm starting to feel like a sucka. I'll just have to save up my scratch and make my own damn alien movie. That's how you solve that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
In the film itself, I think he means. Space Jockey was never spoken in the films.
obviously none of the crew or anyone would know the name of the being
That was exactly his point.
It´s a Alien Prequel...It´s Not a Alien Prequel...It´s a Alien Prequel...It´s Not a Alien Prequel...
It´s Alien Related...It´s Not Alien Related...It´s Alien Related...It´s Not Alien Related...
Hilarious!!!! :laugh:
My gut says it's Alien related, but in order for Ridley to get cash and the Studio to make money, The Alien side of it is getting steered well clear of publicly.
The Alien is a joke now; I doubt it'll be seen in its familiar form.
Indeed, the Space Jockey is just a name given to that particular entity outside of the film itself
Well F***... this situation has gotten to be absolutely ridiculous. Now Ridley's reporting otherwise? Why can't we just get the epic Alien prequel we've been tortured over?!
...I sure hope he's saying this simply so we're all pleasantly surprised in the theater.
my bet is that the jockey could be the 'engineer 1' character we've heard mentioned before.
so perhaps the jockey's are actually known as 'engineers'. I could be way off though :laugh:
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 27, 2011, 08:05:47 PM
my bet is that the jockey could be the 'engineer 1' character we've heard mentioned before.
so perhaps the jockey's are actually known as 'engineers'. I could be way off though :laugh:
I've been trying to link the giant "head pilot" to the jockey, since it was commonly referred to as "the Pilot" .
Not come up with much yet, other than the giant telescopic piece attached to the chair may or may not be something to do with it. All very interesting.
I actually enjoy this part more than the reveal.
They said ages ago it wasn't an Alien prequel. What's changed?
Members of the cast saying it was.
They said it was a prequel?
Predator 2 has a xenomorph skull in it but we don't call it an Alien film because its part of the Predator franchise. Alien has a space jockey corpse in the film even though the film is clearly not about space jockeys.
With that logic, you can't call Prometheus an Alien film just because there is a dead space jockey in the movie. If it's about jockeys, then its also the beginning of a new franchise and/or stand-alone film.
There is your logic right there.
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2011, 02:35:50 AM
They said it was a prequel?
Kind'a but didn't. Maybe.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2011, 06:10:41 AM
Kind'a but didn't. Maybe.
You just summed up everything about the film and everything we've speculated over it. Bravo, my friend.
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2011, 12:52:07 AM
They said ages ago it wasn't an Alien prequel. What's changed?
...the thing is, Scott started it in the first place, and he DID say it would be a prequel "set 30 years before Alien" to quote his words ...personally after seeing Robin Hood, I've lost all interest anyway
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 28, 2011, 04:47:12 AM
Predator 2 has a xenomorph skull in it but we don't call it an Alien film because its part of the Predator franchise. Alien has a space jockey corpse in the film even though the film is clearly not about space jockeys.
With that logic, you can't call Prometheus an Alien film just because there is a dead space jockey in the movie. If it's about jockeys, then its also the beginning of a new franchise and/or stand-alone film.
There is your logic right there.
No ones calling it an Alien film. It clearly is not. It apparently has links to the franchise of which we are fans and may provide back story's. That's enough for me to be interested.
The pilots ship was responsible for 2 full length tales about the Alien. I'd say it holds a little more weight than "dead stuff was in it"
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 28, 2011, 04:47:12 AM
Predator 2 has a xenomorph skull in it but we don't call it an Alien film because its part of the Predator franchise. Alien has a space jockey corpse in the film even though the film is clearly not about space jockeys.
With that logic, you can't call Prometheus an Alien film just because there is a dead space jockey in the movie. If it's about jockeys, then its also the beginning of a new franchise and/or stand-alone film.
There is your logic right there.
Erm Not realy. the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story. Just because it doesn't feature in it that long doesn't mean its not important to the plot of the story.
Maybe the jockeys cockpit where it is sat looking through some sort of telescope or navigation equipment in alien is actually linked to the "head " of the ship, it could be completely biomechanical all in one so to say, thats assuming the giant head is to do with the jockey and not the human side of the plot, it would seem more technologically feasible then, i still think the jockey we see in prometheus will be a different one from what we see in alien, that way scott dosent destroy the ambiguity and mystery too much surrounding it, and it remains shrouded still in partial mystery.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 28, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Maybe the jockeys cockpit where it is sat looking through some sort of telescope or navigation equipment in alien is actually linked to the "head " of the ship, it could be completely biomechanical all in one so to say, thats assuming the giant head is to do with the jockey and not the human side of the plot, it would seem more technologically feasible then, i still think the jockey we see in prometheus will be a different one from what we see in alien, that way scott dosent destroy the ambiguity and mystery too much surrounding it, and it remains shrouded still in partial mystery.
the telescope could have also been looking at the nostromo as well ? did you ever seen the directors cut of alien where they get some kind of Alien message? could be something to do with that.
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 28, 2011, 04:47:12 AM
Predator 2 has a xenomorph skull in it but we don't call it an Alien film because its part of the Predator franchise. Alien has a space jockey corpse in the film even though the film is clearly not about space jockeys.
With that logic, you can't call Prometheus an Alien film just because there is a dead space jockey in the movie. If it's about jockeys, then its also the beginning of a new franchise and/or stand-alone film.
There is your logic right there.
Erm Not realy. the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story. Just because it doesn't feature in it that long doesn't mean its not important to the plot of the story.
Quite true. Plot points and cameos shouldn't be confused.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 28, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 28, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Maybe the jockeys cockpit where it is sat looking through some sort of telescope or navigation equipment in alien is actually linked to the "head " of the ship, it could be completely biomechanical all in one so to say, thats assuming the giant head is to do with the jockey and not the human side of the plot, it would seem more technologically feasible then, i still think the jockey we see in prometheus will be a different one from what we see in alien, that way scott dosent destroy the ambiguity and mystery too much surrounding it, and it remains shrouded still in partial mystery.
the telescope could have also been looking at the nostromo as well ? did you ever seen the directors cut of alien where they get some kind of Alien message? could be something to do with that.
Yes dandan buddy, ive got the blu ray, it's great , the signal is quite haunting i found, it will be interesting to see what a live space jockey will look like in prometheus, whether it actually gets out've the seat and moves around, or is in a "suit" as scott previously stated and kind of gets out've the navigators seat via the suit. i hope it's a creature grown into the seat. I think prometheus will be visually encaptivating, original and profoundly disturbing that will haunt the viewer. I really hope scott has got the uk 18 rating and the american R rating hes been asking for so it really pushes the boundaries, for me pg13/12a would hinder the film. Oh and if u look at the blu ray 6th dvd disc theres quite a fair bit of extra derelict deleted footage atleast 5 to 6 mins worth, you can see the jockey in the backround in one or two shots , worth looking at its not on the quadrilogy at all. blu ray exclusive.
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story.
It's entirely disposable to the plot. To the point where it was disposed of by the producers, except Ridley had them build it anyway. The jockey, the derelict and the signal, while all cool and creepy, are little more than a macguffin to get to the core of the movie -- brain-sucking monster funtimes.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Feb 28, 2011, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2011, 12:52:07 AM
They said ages ago it wasn't an Alien prequel. What's changed?
...the thing is, Scott started it in the first place, and he DID say it would be a prequel "set 30 years before Alien" to quote his words ...personally after seeing Robin Hood, I've lost all interest anyway
And since saying it was a prequel, he's said that it isn't.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2011, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story.
It's entirely disposable to the plot. To the point where it was disposed of by the producers, except Ridley had them build it anyway. The jockey, the derelict and the signal, while all cool and creepy, are little more than a macguffin to get to the core of the movie -- brain-sucking monster funtimes.
From my understanding the only reason they wanted to remove it was was due to budget and that was more fox trying to have control over the project.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 28, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 28, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 28, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Maybe the jockeys cockpit where it is sat looking through some sort of telescope or navigation equipment in alien is actually linked to the "head " of the ship, it could be completely biomechanical all in one so to say, thats assuming the giant head is to do with the jockey and not the human side of the plot, it would seem more technologically feasible then, i still think the jockey we see in prometheus will be a different one from what we see in alien, that way scott dosent destroy the ambiguity and mystery too much surrounding it, and it remains shrouded still in partial mystery.
the telescope could have also been looking at the nostromo as well ? did you ever seen the directors cut of alien where they get some kind of Alien message? could be something to do with that.
Yes dandan buddy, ive got the blu ray, it's great , the signal is quite haunting i found, it will be interesting to see what a live space jockey will look like in prometheus, whether it actually gets out've the seat and moves around, or is in a "suit" as scott previously stated and kind of gets out've the navigators seat via the suit. i hope it's a creature grown into the seat. I think prometheus will be visually encaptivating, original and profoundly disturbing that will haunt the viewer. I really hope scott has got the uk 18 rating and the american R rating hes been asking for so it really pushes the boundaries, for me pg13/12a would hinder the film. Oh and if u look at the blu ray 6th dvd disc theres quite a fair bit of extra derelict deleted footage atleast 5 to 6 mins worth, you can see the jockey in the backround in one or two shots , worth looking at its not on the quadrilogy at all. blu ray exclusive.
Yeah i have the Blue ray set aswell its Awesome which disk is it with the derelict spaceship i havent had time to watch them all ? and specially that letter in the booklet from Scott him self it got us all hyped for a prequel but now no one knows whats going on lol.. any way about the space jockey, i think it might be just a being its self ino know Scott said its a being in its suit but he said that when he announced the prequel so he could be lying to us or not wanting to go down that road.. who knows and i think it is a being because if you have watched and AVP 2 it shows the space jockeys Skull at the begging if you look really close to the trophy room interesting stuff.
Its on disc 6 if i remember correctly buddy, i didn't know about the space jockeys skull at the start of a v p 2 and i've got the blu ray of that, i also have the unrated us version which is slightly different to the uk uncut blu ray so im gonna take a look see if i can spot it. Scott can be a bit ambiguous at times about things, im happier he has taken this route with prometheus, iam looking forward to seeing the planet environment and the space jockey. Will be awesome revisiting the zeta 2 reticulii system too, i wonder if we'll see the jockeys ship fly? and if they will keep the derelict chase sequence from alien harvest but change some elements. Will we see space jockeys contacting humans and communicating with them? will be awesome
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2011, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2011, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story.
It's entirely disposable to the plot. To the point where it was disposed of by the producers, except Ridley had them build it anyway. The jockey, the derelict and the signal, while all cool and creepy, are little more than a macguffin to get to the core of the movie -- brain-sucking monster funtimes.
From my understanding the only reason they wanted to remove it was was due to budget and that was more fox trying to have control over the project.
Yes it was for budgetary concerns, but the fact remains, they could've just gone into the that chamber - or possibly a much smaller more budget friendly chamber - and found a hole in the floor, without ever encountering the Jockey and it wouldn't have really changed anything.
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2011, 12:28:41 AM
Yes it was for budgetary concerns, but the fact remains, they could've just gone into the that chamber - or possibly a much smaller more budget friendly chamber - and found a hole in the floor, without ever encountering the Jockey and it wouldn't have really changed anything.
Except for the fact that a central point of the Space Jockey scene is the discovery, by the crew, of the puzzling rupture in the creature's "chest". This was a beautiful (and IMHO important) piece of foreshadowing. And when done well, as it was in this movie, foreshadowing can help add that extra bit of layering and nuance...just one of the ingredients that can elevate a good movie into a great movie.
The Jockey is an awesome money shot. but it still wouldn't have changed anything plot wise if it was dropped.
Quote from: deuterium on Mar 01, 2011, 01:16:37 AM
Except for the fact that a central point of the Space Jockey scene is the discovery, by the crew, of the puzzling rupture in the creature's "chest".
Which is in no way essential to the plot.
If anything you could argue it's a red flag. And Riddles cut one of them out of the DC.
And another out of the theatrical version -- the stain over Kane's chest on the monitor.
End of the day, cool as the Jockey was, it was in no way important to the plot.
Actually, one only has to read the original novel by Alan Dean Foster to understand the importance of the Space Jockey at that time, what really made the creature legendary is boards like this one, fuelling speculation and offering one theory after another. Nothing wrong with that of course, I think the Jockeys are an important angle to the grand scheme of things, I would have liked an Alien Prequel just to know more about them so they really did become part of the mythos. But as it stands, like a few things that were dropped by FOX during the making of Alien, it does seem likely Scott, rather than risk his reputation screwing things up as the father of Alien, would rather go the safe route and give us the best of both worlds otherwise known as a spin-off, where if it doesn't work it doesn't really matter anyway, AKA AvP. I don't know about you guys, but considering I waited 30 plus years just to see Space Jockeys in an unrelated Alien film, I find that so disappointing and wonder why bother!
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2011, 06:40:51 AMEnd of the day, cool as the Jockey was, it was in no way important to the plot.
Agree completely. It makes you wonder what it is but the answer to this question bares no difference to the movie.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Mar 01, 2011, 07:44:54 AM
Actually, one only has to read the original novel by Alan Dean Foster to understand the importance of the Space Jockey at that time,
Considering the Jockey doesn't appear in the novel, all ADF did was prove my point; it's so unimportant that its absence has zero effect on anything. Ever.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Mar 01, 2011, 07:44:54 AM
Actually, one only has to read the original novel by Alan Dean Foster to understand the importance of the Space Jockey at that time,
Considering the Jockey doesn't appear in the novel, all ADF did was prove my point; it's so unimportant that its absence has zero effect on anything. Ever.
That's what I meant lol. Still, it would've been interesting to see how the S.J. played out in a prequel. You're right it's not important, but I think it could be, you only have to look at how opinions have grown to see there is a story there.
I'd have to disagree. The Space jockey ship , however redundant to the plot of the story, is a massive part of what has made Alien so appealing to Sci Fi fans.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favourite movie's , but I don't need to know anything more about the creature or where it came from because the film does not expand on these elements. It's a crashed ship with a bad guy on board.
The Space Jockey injects wonder and imagination, questions without answers, the very core of Science Fiction.
To say the Space jockey is "so unimportant" is well past the mark in my opinion.
Bravo Highland......his remark was one of the dumbest I've read thus far.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Mar 01, 2011, 12:08:51 AM
Its on disc 6 if i remember correctly buddy, i didn't know about the space jockeys skull at the start of a v p 2 and i've got the blu ray of that, i also have the unrated us version which is slightly different to the uk uncut blu ray so im gonna take a look see if i can spot it. Scott can be a bit ambiguous at times about things, im happier he has taken this route with prometheus, iam looking forward to seeing the planet environment and the space jockey. Will be awesome revisiting the zeta 2 reticulii system too, i wonder if we'll see the jockeys ship fly? and if they will keep the derelict chase sequence from alien harvest but change some elements. Will we see space jockeys contacting humans and communicating with them? will be awesome
ok man thanks! ill watch disk 6 tonight then ! and yeah im also very interesting to see how the jockeys live and what weaponry they use if they are good or bad or are just on there own team just like the predators... also i am certain we just might see some jockeys ships in action this movie is going to be EPIC my freind! :D
Quote from: Highland on Mar 01, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
I'd have to disagree. The Space jockey ship , however redundant to the plot of the story, is a massive part of what has made Alien so appealing to Sci Fi fans.
The Thing is one of my all time favourite movie's , but I don't need to know anything more about the creature or where it came from because the film does not expand on these elements. It's a crashed ship with a bad guy on board.
The Space Jockey injects wonder and imagination, questions without answers, the very core of Science Fiction.
To say the Space jockey is "so unimportant" is well past the mark in my opinion.
Thus once again showing that opinions can be wrong.
It's not vital to the plot. They could've gone onto the ship, come across the eggs, and the film changes not one iota. The Jockey isn't never even mentioned again for the rest of the film.
The plot is to get them onto the planet in order to then get the Alien on to the Nostromo. The Jockey adds texture, and I'm sure no one's trying to say it should've been cut, but it adds nothing plotwise. As I said, it's a money shot.
QuoteIt's not vital to the plot. They could've gone onto the ship, come across the eggs, and the film changes not one iota.
As illustrated by ADF and later script drafts.
And the fact it changed from pyramid scratching earlier drafts.
Aaand that its role in the finished picture is still even smaller than originally imagined (They didn't take the skull as proof).
Seriously, the Jockey is about as crucial to the plot as the drinky birds on the table.
I didn't say it was vital to the plot. Light Sabres aren't vital to the plot in Star Wars, nor Germans in Indian Jones. Would the movie have been any better or worse without it? Who knows?
I think the folks are trying to say it is NOW an integral part of the saga. It's responsible for the sequel, and it churns out a hell of a lot of interest, otherwise we wouldn't be typing in the Prometheus thread which apparently has nought to do with Aliens.
It could be argued that the Space Jockey has caused more people to throw the toy's out the pram than the Alien has.
They did the sequel without the Jockey.
And the ship even.
Quote from: Highland on Mar 01, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
I'd have to disagree. The Space jockey ship , however redundant to the plot of the story, is a massive part of what has made Alien so appealing to Sci Fi fans.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favourite movie's , but I don't need to know anything more about the creature or where it came from because the film does not expand on these elements. It's a crashed ship with a bad guy on board.
The Space Jockey injects wonder and imagination, questions without answers, the very core of Science Fiction.
To say the Space jockey is "so unimportant" is well past the mark in my opinion.
All that matters is the Alien Eggs, the novel and script are proof of that. The Jockeys and Dererlict simply serve as a placement for the whole piece. Even if they had been dropped, the Nostromo crew would still find the eggs because that is pivitol to the plot... dont you get it yet!! lol
Quote from: RoaryUK on Mar 02, 2011, 12:41:25 AM
Quote from: Highland on Mar 01, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
I'd have to disagree. The Space jockey ship , however redundant to the plot of the story, is a massive part of what has made Alien so appealing to Sci Fi fans.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favourite movie's , but I don't need to know anything more about the creature or where it came from because the film does not expand on these elements. It's a crashed ship with a bad guy on board.
The Space Jockey injects wonder and imagination, questions without answers, the very core of Science Fiction.
To say the Space jockey is "so unimportant" is well past the mark in my opinion.
All that matters is the Alien Eggs, the novel and script are proof of that. The Jockeys and Dererlict simply serve as a placement for the whole piece. Even if they had been dropped, the Nostromo crew would still find the eggs because that is pivitol to the plot... dont you get it yet!! lol
If you would kindly point out the piece in my post where I state the the Space Jockey is essential to the plot of Alien in any way. Then... yes , I will "get it"
I think you are the one not "getting" it. It's quoted in the first bloody line of the post, did you skim over that bit?
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2011, 11:18:43 PM
They did the sequel without the Jockey.
And the ship even.
It was still responsible for the outcome of the colony though. Being picky here.
I think people are on different pages here. I'm trying to point out the Space Jockey is important to the Alien Saga as it stands now and holds a bit of weight. If people are going to be picky, you might as well pick any movie ever and say "but X wasn't critical to the plot". It's a moot point.
Then you're kinda at odds with yourself if you're disagreeing that it's unimportant.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2011, 01:00:29 AM
Then you're kinda at odds with yourself if you're disagreeing that it's unimportant.
Unimportant under what circumstances though. My post is clear. See above post.
It's been wonderfully clear thus far, eh?
I'm so confused... am off head hunting now for that Ridley Scott fella ;D
"I think it's fair to say our smoothly running facility has suddenly developed a few problems, I can only hope we can all pull together over the next few days ...or else start ripping each others heads off!"
as far as I can see it's went it's went a bit like this.
1) Space jockey's rock
2) but its not important to the plot of Alien
3) they fleshed it out a bit though eh?
4) but its not important to the plot of Alien
5) We'd love to see them expand on the SJ in this new movie like
6) but its not important to the plot of Alien
7) Head implodes.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Mar 02, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
I'm so confused... am off head hunting now for that Ridlet Scott fella ;D
Mind the cigar.
I dunno what all the fuss is about really, it'll probably be an Alien Prequel anyways, FOX just loves screwing with the fans y'know LMAO
...but of course, if it sucks balls, THAT'S the time to make a fuss!!
I think that the presence of the space jockey sculpture has a massive effect on the feeling of the final film in terms of the mystery
I say until we know if its a def. Prequel or has anything to do with Alien at all.. it shouldnt be a topic on this site because its just stirring up confusion to Alien fans.. its a big back and forth game