Andddd... This won't help the box office in the US :(
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1037658235711438848
That explains the two versions shown recently.
At least it's something to blame if it bombs
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 06, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
Andddd... This won't help the box office in the US :(
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1037658235711438848
Wou, that was unexpected :o
Not an important scene anyway. Munn's statement does amuse me though... She's right, but if people does what she did constantly, bye bye hollywood (full of these offenders), the roles and money that comes with it ! Sad world we're living in.
I'm really taken aback that Shane thought it was an okay idea for a convicted sex offender to have a bit part hitting on a woman. Won't be missing that scene.
Can't even see the article. Seeing as I'm in the UK.
Bad decision on his part. Shitstorm incoming.
I'm constantly taken aback that shit like that is allowed to happen. Not cool, Shane.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 06, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
Not an important scene anyway. Munn's statement does amuse me though... She's right, but if people does what she did constantly, bye bye hollywood (full of these offenders), the roles and money that comes with it ! Sad world we're living in.
Good, then bye-bye Hollywood it has to be. Maybe they can build something not full of sex offenders in it's place.
EDIT: I misread your original quote.
Quote from: Gazz on Sep 06, 2018, 02:40:26 PM
I'm constantly taken aback that shit like that is allowed to happen. Not cool, Shane.
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Not an important scene anyway. Munn's statement does amuse me though... She's right, but if people does what she did constantly, bye bye hollywood (full of these offenders), the roles and money that comes with it ! Sad world we're living in.
Good, then bye-bye Hollywood it has to be. Maybe they can build something not full of sex offenders in it's place.
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That's what i hope too, but i think it's not likely.
Quote from: Gazz on Sep 06, 2018, 02:40:26 PM
I'm constantly taken aback that shit like that is allowed to happen. Not cool, Shane.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 06, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
Not an important scene anyway. Munn's statement does amuse me though... She's right, but if people does what she did constantly, bye bye hollywood (full of these offenders), the roles and money that comes with it ! Sad world we're living in.
Good, then bye-bye Hollywood it has to be. Maybe they can build something not full of sex offenders in it's place.
EDIT: I think I actually mistook your original quote
I am no expert on that subject, but I think "sex offenders" subject not only in Hollywood.
Perfect. A scandal is what we need when we are so close.
At least Olivia Munn is still backing the movie with promotion and stuff.
Did anyone see this ?
https://www.cbr.com/deleted-predator-scene-registered-sex-offender/
I think this is the best article on the subject;
http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/why-does-shane-black-keep-casting-steven-wilder-striegel-a-registered-sex-offender.php
Disappointed in Shane Black to say the least.
I won't be passing any judgements on Black. I don't know the details beyond these articles. I certainly don't approve on the offenders behaviour but there may be important details we don't know regarding Black's actions.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 06, 2018, 05:04:48 PM
I think this is the best article on the subject;
http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/why-does-shane-black-keep-casting-steven-wilder-striegel-a-registered-sex-offender.php
Disappointed in Shane Black to say the least.
I don't care. The scene is out, problem solved.
I don't love that Black has hired him, especially due to the nature of the scene that he was hired on to do, but the studio made the right move by cutting the scene and Munn was smart to speak out against it. I don't think Shane Black is a bad dude, this guy is his friend and sometimes it's difficult to shut out your friend over mistakes they've made regardless of how bad they are. However, hiring a guy who did what he did to be in a scene where he's hitting on a girl who's not interested is questionable.
Scene's not there anymore. Think it would've been a REAL problem if they kept it. Shouldn't be too much of a stir now that they've pulled it.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 06, 2018, 05:58:47 PM
Scene's not there anymore. Think it would've been a REAL problem if they kept it. Shouldn't be too much of a stir now that they've pulled it.
yeh, but I think it will create a stronger hate group for Shane Black, therefore some people may boycott his movies in the future.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 06, 2018, 05:58:47 PMShouldn't be too much of a stir now that they've pulled it.
Twitter - HELL IS OPEN!
:-[ :'(
People are trashing Shane on Twitter as we speak and as said above their people talk about boycotting The Predator
Yeah some of the same brave internet people who won't do shit in real life even if something like that happened under their nose. Nothing new under the sun.
Americans are wierd sometimes.
Very disappointed with Shane and what happened
Blowing up on Twitter. Shane really f**ked up, especially his response saying the guy's actions "weren't lecherous."
Look, we've had a very much worse case with T.J Miller, nobody cut his scenes or recast him from Ready Player One or Deadpool 2 and those films went very well at the box office. Granted, The Predator is not the box office titan that Deadpool is, neither does it have Spielberg's name attached to it, but I think that's a testament to these angry internet people who'll shit on the movie for a scene that was cut represent nothing but a minority and should not be enough for it to bomb. It's not good news, that's for certain, but I don't think it's enough to bury the movie.
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 06, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
Andddd... This won't help the box office in the US :(
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1037658235711438848
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/predator-scene-cut-by-fox-registered-sex-offender-role-1140361?utm_source=twitter
QuoteBut after reading the Times' report, which quoted email correspondences between Striegel and the minor, among other details, Black released another statement where he condemned his friend and apologized.
"Having read this morning's news reports, it has sadly become clear to me that I was misled by a friend I really wanted to believe was telling me the truth when he described the circumstances of his conviction. I believe strongly in giving people second chances - but sometimes you discover that chance is not as warranted as you may have hoped."
Black continued: "After learning more about the affidavit, transcripts and additional details surrounding Steve Striegel's sentence, I am deeply disappointed in myself. I apologize to all of those, past and present, I've let down by having Steve around them without giving them a voice in the decision."
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 06, 2018, 02:09:47 PM
I'm really taken aback that Shane thought it was an okay idea for a convicted sex offender to have a bit part hitting on a woman. Won't be missing that scene.
Why is he still even associated with this guy? I get that people have the ability to have second chances etc. but trying to bed 14 year old girls?!
Shane, cut that person out of your life immediately.
Can someone quote me the whole LA Times report? I can't access it over here.
Me neither.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-the-predator-shane-black-steven-wilder-striegel-20180906-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Article under the spoiler tags.
Spoiler
Twentieth Century Fox was just days away from locking picture on "The Predator" when an urgent note came in: Delete the scene featuring Steven Wilder Striegel.
Striegel, 47, didn't have a big role in his longtime friend Shane Black's reboot of the sci-fi thriller — just a three-page scene shared with actress Olivia Munn.
But last month, Munn learned that Striegel is a registered sex offender who pleaded guilty in 2010 after facing allegations that he attempted to lure a 14-year-old female into a sexual relationship via the internet. When Munn shared the information with Fox on Aug. 15, studio executives quickly decided to excise him from the movie.
"Our studio was not aware of Mr. Striegel's background when he was hired," a Fox spokesperson said in a statement to The Times. "We were not aware of his background during the casting process due to legal limitations that impede studios from running background checks on actors."
Black, however, has always known. Striegel, an actor who'd appeared on "Days of Our Lives" and "Melrose Place," first met Black when he was invited to the "Lethal Weapon" screenwriter's home by a mutual friend for pizza and a movie. When Wilder was arrested in 2009, the two had been friends for five years.
"I personally chose to help a friend. I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly." -Black
Striegel served six months in jail after pleading guilty to two felonies — risk of injury to a child and enticing a minor by computer. The first role he landed after his release was in Black's 2013 film, "Iron Man 3." Three years later, he got another part in one of the filmmaker's projects, the crime caper "The Nice Guys." In 2016, Black told GQ that he was planning to produce a heist film "by my friend Steve Wilder."
Black defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in "The Predator" as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn's character.
"I personally chose to help a friend," Black said in a written statement to The Times. "I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly."
But he said he has long believed that Striegel was "caught up in a bad situation versus something lecherous."
Munn said she found it "both surprising and unsettling that Shane Black, our director, did not share this information to the cast, crew, or Fox Studios prior to, during, or after production."
"However," she continued, "I am relieved that when Fox finally did receive the information, the studio took appropriate action by deleting the scene featuring Wilder prior to release of the film."
The film premieres Thursday evening at the Toronto International Film Festival and opens in theaters nationwide Sept. 14.
Munn's costars in "The Predator," including Boyd Holbrook, Sterling K. Brown, Thomas Jane, Trevante Rhodes and Keegan-Michael Key, did not respond to a request for comment.
Striegel said he did not have to audition for his part in the movie. "The character I played was named after a mutual friend of ours, and it seemed a good fit," he wrote in an email.
"I've known Shane Black 14 years, well before this incident, and I think it's worth noting that he was aware of the facts," Striegel said. "Shane can speak for himself, but I'm quite certain that if he felt I was a danger in any way to have around, he would not have."
In emails to The Times, Striegel described her as one of his "distant relatives" who spoke to him at "several family gatherings" about "a multitude of problems she was facing, including being a truant, being pressured to do drugs and alcohol, and that she had started having sex, as well as many other things."
In an attempt to boost her self-esteem, Striegel said he "made the the very bad judgement call of telling her in these emails that she was attractive, and sexy, and not a failure, etc." He said he made it clear the two could not engage in a romantic relationship because of her age and because they were related.
But a March 2009 arrest warrant affidavit — which identifies the 14-year-old only as "Jane Doe" — alleges that physical contact included "kissing, touching Doe's breast over her clothing, rubbing her legs and stroking her neck" on several occasions.
In one email message, Striegel told the girl that there was no one in the world he would rather have sex with. "I will be VERY honest: There's no question that it's you. None. Hope that doesn't totally freak you out, and just because it's what I want, and what you want, doesn't mean it's the right thing."
In other correspondence, he described his sexual preferences in graphic detail, including his favorite intercourse position and intimate grooming practices.
"EVERY thing you say turns me on!!" he wrote to Doe. "I love that it rocked you when I pulled your hair that time."
Actor Steve Wilder Striegel, a registered sex offender, served six months in jail after pleading guilty to two felonies — risk of injury to a child and enticing a minor by computer.
"The only thing I was ever charged with were words in an email." -Striegel
Further, Striegel cautioned the girl not to tell anyone about their clandestine relationship. "I know it might be hard for you to not tell someone, as it's something on your mind I'm sure, but pleeease try to keep it between us ..."
The girl's father discovered their correspondence and forbade them from talking. Still, the affidavit said, Striegel gave her a private number to call him on.
Though he lived in New York at the time, he was charged in Connecticut, where the girl lived.
Although the warrant alleged physical contact, Striegel called that claim "groundless." "Nothing supported such a claim, and no charges in that regard were even filed. The only thing I was ever charged with were words in an email," he told The Times.
There is no law in California that restricts the employment of a sex offender, nor any law that forces an employer to disclose the employment of a sex offender. According to the Screen Actors Guild, "producers are responsible for maintaining a safe working environment under our collective bargaining agreements and the law, and that applies to any type of on-set danger or threat," said the union's chief operating officer and general counsel, Duncan Crabtree-Ireland. (Davis Entertainment, the company that produced the film, did not respond to requests for comment.)
Since the creation of the sex offender registry in 1994, there has been much debate about whether it does more harm than good. According to Laura Arnold, a deputy public defender in Riverside County, sex offenders re-offend at an extremely low rate. "But," she says, "these crimes bring out a very strong emotional reaction in people."
"People who aren't experienced in risk assessment find out about these things and get upset. It's human nature," added Amy Phenix, a forensic psychologist. "It's understandable that people would be concerned and not trust the person that they're working with because that person wasn't open about the situation. When you inform people, you can educate people — and oftentimes, when people have a better understanding of what they're dealing with, it's not so scary."
In the years since his release from jail, Striegel said, he has found full-time work as an actor and writer. On his Instagram account, he shares images of what appears to be a glamorous life: on set with Ryan Gosling and Russell Crowe, flying on a private plane, and trying out a water jet pack. His criminal past, he said, was something he'd "hoped would continue to fade in the past."
"This was an enormously unfortunate chapter in my life, and one that I took, and continue to take, personal responsibility for," he said. "If I had even an inkling that my involvement with 'The Predator' would be a point of difficulty for Shane Black, or cast any kind of shadow over a movie that I wish only great success for, I would, of course, never have been involved in any capacity."
So they removed a predator from a movie called The Predator... what if Striegel was The Predator you'd never see coming? Shane Black has a twisted sense of humor. Still I don't know the facts of the case but I do remember the Ironman 3 thing.
Yeah, I saw this and posted about it in the countdown thread.
Don't know all the details so I won't be condemning Black.
(https://i.imgur.com/DLqOzTY.jpg)
Black will probably stop casting him now.
So, apparently a scene with Munn had to be cut because she shared it with a registered sex offender who is also a friend of Shane:
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3520215/predator-edited-final-hour-due-casting-registered-sex-offender/
I am just gonna copy and paste it here:
"As we've reported, Shane Black's The Predator underwent final hour reshoots earlier this year, but as it turns out, Black tinkering with the film's final act was only the tip of the iceberg in regards to its behind the scenes, post production issues. A report from Los Angeles Times today sheds light on a whole new issue, and it sounds like Black has some explaining to do.
According to the site, Black cast his friend Steven Wilder Striegel (47) in a brief role, "a three-page scene shared with actress Olivia Munn." It was only after filming wrapped that Munn learned Striegel is a convicted sex offender, having plead guilty back in 2010 "after facing allegations that he attempted to lure a 14-year-old female into a sexual relationship via the internet." In fact, it sounds like nobody was aware of Striegel's past at the time, save for Black himself.
Last month, Munn approached 20th Century Fox with what she had learned, and to their credit, the studio swiftly edited Striegel out of the film.
As a spokesperson explained to LA Times, "Our studio was not aware of Mr. Striegel's background when he was hired. We were not aware of his background during the casting process due to legal limitations that impede studios from running background checks on actors."
Black and Striegel are longtime friends, and Black has also cast him in both Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys. According to Black, he's just been trying to "help a friend."
"I personally chose to help a friend," Black said in a written statement to LA Times. "I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly. [Striegel was] caught up in a bad situation versus something lecherous."
As for Munn, she notes that she found it "both surprising and unsettling that Shane Black, our director, did not share this information to the cast, crew, or Fox Studios prior to, during, or after production." She added in her statement to LA Times, "I am relieved that when Fox finally did receive the information, the studio took appropriate action by deleting the scene featuring Wilder prior to release of the film."
Good on you, Fox.
For more details on Striegel's conviction, read the full piece over on LA Times."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-the-predator-shane-black-steven-wilder-striegel-20180906-story.html
I am not surprised at the amount of pedophiles there are in hollywood, they are everywhere in the entertainment industry and even the government since forever, and maybe is a good thing they removed the scene (thought it does not make much sense honestly)
Having said that, how nice is that we are getting a even more butchered movie? A leaked bad script, countless reshoots, countless removed scenes, and now yet another removed scene a literal week before the relase. Good thing i never had my hopes up about this movie, i guess.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2018, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Sep 06, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
Andddd... This won't help the box office in the US :(
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1037658235711438848
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/predator-scene-cut-by-fox-registered-sex-offender-role-1140361?utm_source=twitter
QuoteBut after reading the Times' report, which quoted email correspondences between Striegel and the minor, among other details, Black released another statement where he condemned his friend and apologized.
"Having read this morning's news reports, it has sadly become clear to me that I was misled by a friend I really wanted to believe was telling me the truth when he described the circumstances of his conviction. I believe strongly in giving people second chances - but sometimes you discover that chance is not as warranted as you may have hoped."
Black continued: "After learning more about the affidavit, transcripts and additional details surrounding Steve Striegel's sentence, I am deeply disappointed in myself. I apologize to all of those, past and present, I've let down by having Steve around them without giving them a voice in the decision."
That makes a lot more sense. Still sucks but what's there to do now that they haven't already done.
Just one more reason for you to sit this one out then I suppose.
Glad they removed the scene. It sounded useless anyway.
The scene is removed, so move on
The scene is cut, Shane has already put out a statement apologizing and condemning his "friend"'s behavior and addressing why he was there in the first place. Problem's solved.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 06, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Just one more reason for you to sit this one out then I suppose.
I had my share of "butchered by the studio" movies with Justice League and that was enough, and everything about this movie sounded from bad to worst, i really dont wanna be pessimist but reshoots and removed scenes tell me that the pace of the movie is gonna be not good.
Reshoots are a common thing. Let's not forget the production of the first movie, that started it all, came to a halt because they couldn't even figure out the design of the title character.
Yeah but van Damme didn't grope anyone... just release it on netflix... lol
Why did you leave out Shane Black's statement where he condemned his friend and apologized? Here it is:
Quote"Having read this morning's news reports, it has sadly become clear to me that I was misled by a friend I really wanted to believe was telling me the truth when he described the circumstances of his conviction. I believe strongly in giving people second chances - but sometimes you discover that chance is not as warranted as you may have hoped."
Black continued: "After learning more about the affidavit, transcripts and additional details surrounding Steve Striegel's sentence, I am deeply disappointed in myself. I apologize to all of those, past and present, I've let down by having Steve around them without giving them a voice in the decision."
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:09:39 AM
Yeah but van Damme didn't grope anyone... just release it on netflix... lol
"Just release it on Netflix" ?
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:09:39 AM
Yeah but van Damme didn't grope anyone... just release it on netflix... lol
Ahh is that the solution?
I think they solved it just fine. Shane released an apology that seems genuine to boot.
I'm guessing one of the first set photos posted was the scene removed.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2Fmunn-pred%2Folivia-munn-gets-to-work-on-the-predator-14.jpg&hash=ba86ea04a503fdcb9788d26cc8b32de09b8fe69e)
QuoteBlack defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in "The Predator" as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn's character.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:09:39 AM
Yeah but van Damme didn't grope anyone... just release it on netflix... lol
Ahh is that the solution?
I think they solved it just fine. Shane released an apology that seems genuine to boot.
::) ::) For real. It sounds like Black legitimately didn't know his friend's full story. In any event, it seems like all that needed to be said and actions that needed to be taken were done.
Either Black wasn't honest about what he knew, or he really didn't know how bad things were. It's disappointing either way.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 07, 2018, 01:17:00 AM
Either Black wasn't honest about what he knew, or he really didn't know how bad things were. It's disappointing either way.
Even if he wasn't fully aware of his friend's background? Though it does make you wonder how he could not know...seems like this information would be readily available online.
Yeah he could have easily read about the specifics when his friend was convicted. Though maybe he truly wanted to believe the best case scenario for his long time friend. Either way it was a shit decision on his part and quite the gamble to make especially with the Me Too movement shaking things up in Hollywood. At any rate, the cover is blown and the situation was handled accordingly.
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 07, 2018, 12:10:12 AM
Why did you leave out Shane Black's statement where he condemned his friend and apologized? Here it is:
Quote"Having read this morning's news reports, it has sadly become clear to me that I was misled by a friend I really wanted to believe was telling me the truth when he described the circumstances of his conviction. I believe strongly in giving people second chances - but sometimes you discover that chance is not as warranted as you may have hoped."
Black continued: "After learning more about the affidavit, transcripts and additional details surrounding Steve Striegel's sentence, I am deeply disappointed in myself. I apologize to all of those, past and present, I've let down by having Steve around them without giving them a voice in the decision."
I only saw what BD wrote and came to put it here right away, i did not mean to left anything out :/
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 07, 2018, 01:34:24 AM
Yeah he could have easily read about the specifics when his friend was convicted. Though maybe he truly wanted to believe the best case scenario for his long time friend. Either way it was a shit decision on his part and quite the gamble to make especially with the Me Too movement shaking things up in Hollywood. At any rate, the cover is blown and the situation was handled accordingly.
True. Better for it to come out now then after the film debuts.
#7 days till The Predator!!!
If the predator kills him in that scene, it shouldn't have been removed. But I understand if the director didn't want the Predator to get out of character and be seen as a nice alien that hunts bad people. Makes sense to keep consistent with characterization. I agree.
It was once reported on TMZ that someone in Hollywood once said, "There ain't nothing darker than getting blacklisted by Black."
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
well at least she's not telling everyone to boycott the film. she recognizes the hard work of herself, the cast and crew so i feel she needs to go out and remind her followers and fans that boycotting should not be an option. one has to feel worried for shane's future prospects tho!
"I personally chose to help a friend."
Oh yeah, real big help. What the guy did just went global. This is not alcoholism Shane, this is child molestation. What was going to be your excuse if something went wrong? "It's okay, he's a method actor" ?
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 03:45:23 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
well at least she's not telling everyone to boycott the film. she recognizes the hard work of herself, the cast and crew so i feel she needs to go out and remind her followers and fans that boycotting should not be an option. one has to feel worried for shane's future prospects tho!
No she even said she's proud of how hard she worked on the film as well as how hard the rest of the cast and crew worked. Appears she's just not willing to stay quiet about the situation and she has the right to do so. I hope this doesn't ruin Shane's career options going forward but he did make a mistake by enabling a sex offender.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 07, 2018, 03:25:49 AM
It was once reported on TMZ that someone in Hollywood once said, "There ain't nothing darker than getting blacklisted by Black."
Who would worry? Apparently, you can sexually pursue a child and he'll still give you work.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
Could you be more specific? I don't use Twitter, but am really curious - the "not getting along" and "nervous having her on tour" seem particularly serious.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 04:27:32 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
Could you be more specific? I don't use Twitter, but am really curious - the "not getting along" and "nervous having her on tour" seem particularly serious.
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037887605113729024 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037887605113729024)
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037813506819518464 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037813506819518464)
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037806433520246784 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037806433520246784)
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:57:46 AM
I hope this doesn't ruin Shane's career options going forward but he did make a mistake by enabling a sex offender.
If I were a betting man, I'd say that he'll probably be just fine. But if he is never allowed near a big franchise again then that's a good thing, in my opinion.
Thus begins "#ShameBlack"
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 04:27:32 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
Could you be more specific? I don't use Twitter, but am really curious - the "not getting along" and "nervous having her on tour" seem particularly serious.
I imagine she's pissed that he put her in a situation where her character was being harassed by somebody played by an actual sex offender, and didn't even tell her because, "bros forever".
Forgetting everything else, how and why did the studio not know about this? I can bet you they'll be checking from now on. And I can bet actors and their agents will insist on it.
She never explicitly says her and Black are not getting along but I feel like it's pretty strongly implied when she basically says people who allow sex offenders to work are still part of the problem.
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 07, 2018, 12:39:42 AM
I'm guessing one of the first set photos posted was the scene removed.
QuoteBlack defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in "The Predator" as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn's character.
good catch
I've split off discussion from other threads relating to the casting and merged into this one.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/the-predator-director-olivia-munn-skip-red-carpet-1202931623/
Quote"The Predator" director Shane Black skipped the red carpet in its entirety for the Toronto Film Festival premiere of the Fox film after news broke Thursday that he cast his friend, Steven Wilder Striegel, a registered sex offender, in the film without the cast and crew's knowledge.
Star Olivia Munn, who appeared opposite Striegel in his only scene, which was cut from the film, did not give interviews on the red carpet, though she did pose for pictures. Munn tweeted shortly before the premiere that she was only continuing to do press because she was contractually obligated and because she and the crew had worked hard on the film.
Well, if the sequel happens doesn't look like at least one of them will be returning :o
I wonder if the scene was important that got cut?
It wasn't. It was more of a comedic scene.
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 04:32:43 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 07, 2018, 04:27:32 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Olivia Munn has been pretty vocal on Twitter about the Sex Offender situation. Appears her and Shane Black probably are not getting along anymore. She hinted that the studio might be a bit nervous having her on the press tour. She went as much as saying she's there because she is contractually obligated to be.
Could you be more specific? I don't use Twitter, but am really curious - the "not getting along" and "nervous having her on tour" seem particularly serious.
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037887605113729024 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037887605113729024)
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037813506819518464 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037813506819518464)
https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037806433520246784 (https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1037806433520246784)
Hey, thats me😀😀
From all of this and Shane's final statement - which conveniently is not being given as much attention to as literally everything else about this story, huh - it seems that Shane himself was a victim of this person taking advantage of his position as his friend and misleading him about the facts. It would absolutely suck if he didn't make it back to the sequel because of this. I hope people can communicate decently about this and his career doesn't get severely damaged because of this mistake.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 06, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Just one more reason for you to sit this one out then I suppose.
Glad they removed the scene. It sounded useless anyway.
Great way of thinking. Stop watching Predator. McTiernan is convicted fraud after all.
I hate to say it. But - I don't care. Not one bit. I'm not going to "look into it" but people should get a second chance if they did their time. I think Black was right, in helping a friend, to be honest.
Also what's the point of calling for a boycott. Shit. That would probably just drive more interest in the movie.
I wouldn't say I don't care, because what he did was disgusting and wrong (Not Shane, the other guy) but Shane knowing and still bringing him on for a scene where he harasses a girl is in pretty poor taste. However I can separate the personal issue from the art and watch this movie without that affecting anything. Besides, they cut the scene so there won't be anything in the movie related to it anymore. I think a boycott is way too extreme, people can be upset with Shane Black but the movie shouldn't suffer for it.
And this movie is dooooone, see you next time, folks.
With this me too stuff this is going to be used as an example of what not to do.
The best bet is for Disney to sell the franchise of to Legendary.
Quote from: Master on Sep 07, 2018, 06:08:56 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 06, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Just one more reason for you to sit this one out then I suppose.
Glad they removed the scene. It sounded useless anyway.
Great way of thinking. Stop watching Predator. McTiernan is convicted fraud after all.
I was mocking that way of thinking.
Oh, Ok. It's hard to tell through the internet. Sorry.
Quote from: Master on Sep 07, 2018, 08:49:48 AM
Oh, Ok. It's hard to tell through the internet. Sorry.
No worries! The posts got kind of jumbled up when they merged this thread. :P
If Shane Black believed his friends original version, then you can understand his mind set for wanting to help him but you can understand his reaction on reading the emails that convicted the guy that he felt used and sickened.
But thats again only one side of the story
but this guy isnt the first Predator to be cut from the film so
A predator, cast in 'Predator'. Hmmm.....
First, they cut the friendly Predators, then the sexual Predators...
Damn... and I was going to wear the same shirt I wore to the last few Predator shows... Now I gotta find a new shirt...
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--ZpPqijMw--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_crop,x_10,y_10/c_fit,w_470/c_crop,g_north_west,h_626,w_470,x_0,y_0/g_north_west,u_upload:v1462829022:production:blanks:beqtwr2j6utublaobvi0,x_-395,y_-325/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446147533/production/designs/2661_1.jpg)
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 04:38:51 AM
She never explicitly says her and Black are not getting along but I feel like it's pretty strongly implied when she basically says people who allow sex offenders to work are still part of the problem.
And she's right about it too.
You can be a sex offender from something as stupid as public urination. Without any background on why the person was convicted, what f**king difference does it make?
He attempted to sleep with a 14 year old, it makes a difference. That should have been disclosed.
Did my thread really got deleted so they could just make another one about the same subject, what was the point? Whatever, i dont care
It got assimilated.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 10:18:45 PM
He attempted to sleep with a 14 year old, it makes a difference. That should have been disclosed.
From what I read he actually physically groped the girl through her shirt. So he already had physical contact of a sexual nature. I reserve the right to be wrong here, but I seem to remember reading that there was physical contact. It may not have reached the point of intercourse, but what he did was still highly inappropriate. And I have a difficult time believing Shane just took this guy at his word.
There is no difference between a serial rapist and a guy that whistled in my state. Both are consider the same level of sex offender. Which is asinine but that's how it is.
Still if we enforced the policy realistically, a quarter of the population would likely be labeled a sex offender. Shit, I forgot that I don't care about.
Yes, sometimes you get caught pissing in public and are labeled a sex offender and before anyone can hear you story they're going to just see you as a registered sex offender and assume it means you harassed children. That is not the case here though, he was found guilty of trying to have sex with a 14 year old girl who was also related to him. It's not right and we just went through a whole movement about identifying these sexual harassers in Hollywood and to hire one knowingly and put him in a scene where he harasses a woman is in poor taste. There's no way around it. Had it been a scene where he wasn't with Munn and not doing something inappropriate it probably wouldn't have been as bad, but the scene he was put in makes it much worse.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 07, 2018, 11:16:53 PM
There is no difference between a serial rapist and a guy that whistled in my state. Both are consider the same level of sex offender. Which is asinine but that's how it is.
Still if we enforced the policy realistically, a quarter of the population would likely be labeled a sex offender. Shit, I forgot that I don't care about.
It's absolutely possible that there are people out there who have been unjustly labeled as offenders. Lord help them, I imagine that would be just beyond awful. But this guy here got sexual with a child. Where I come from, kissing on folks and squeezing their tata's ain't exactly checking for ticks.
Is it bad that everytime I see that picture of him on the set in those running pants, I hear that line Cable said in Deadpool 2? "He even runs like a pervert" :D
Have you seen the set photos of the scene he was in? The outfit he's wearing does not do him any favors in this issue..
I get that it can be viewed as an inapropriate scene knowing what he did... But how hitting on a chick in a park is harassment ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 12:23:43 AM
I get that it can be viewed as an inapropriate scene knowing what he did... But how hitting on a chick in a park is harassment ?
It's just weird and sort of gross that he cast a guy like that in a role like that.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 12:23:43 AM
I get that it can be viewed as an inapropriate scene knowing what he did... But how hitting on a chick in a park is harassment ?
The way he does it in the scene is how it's considered harassment. In the leaked script the guy constantly pesters her numerous times. It's not harassment in that she's helpless but he comes off as a creep for sure, and based on the photos from set they definitely tried to up the creep factor for comedic effect. It wasn't a particularly funny scene in the script to begin with.
"i'm gonna hire a sex offender to pretend to hit on the lead actress in my movie."
"This is gonna end up well!"
Yeah. Dumb move, Shane Black.
Dumb movie, too.
Wow, so much harsh judgment from the nobodies in this thread. Look, Shane Black is an artist, you can't make a superhero film with a bunch of CGI robot armor guys flying around fighting faceless disposable super soldier types with lava blood and fire farts without being a true auteur. As an artist Shane Black surrounds himself with other artistic people, and someone artists have appetites that exist beyond the limited ability of dirty rat peasants like us (well, you) to comprehend with our (your) narrow, outdated and frankly bigoted views on sex. You should all just be honored that a TRUE ARTIST like Shane Black descended from the Disney heavens to bless your backwards ass franchise and accept that sometimes the price of art is a few children with ptsd.
ALL HAIL SHANE BLACK! ALL HAIL HOLLYWOOD! ALL HAIL MOLOCH, THE DEVOURER IF CHILDREN!
That was all sarcasm btw, just in case you couldn't tell.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 08, 2018, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 12:23:43 AM
I get that it can be viewed as an inapropriate scene knowing what he did... But how hitting on a chick in a park is harassment ?
The way he does it in the scene is how it's considered harassment. In the leaked script the guy constantly pesters her numerous times. It's not harassment in that she's helpless but he comes off as a creep for sure, and based on the photos from set they definitely tried to up the creep factor for comedic effect. It wasn't a particularly funny scene in the script to begin with.
I know, i read it, and i agree this scene was totally forgettable. Just wanted to be clear that this is in a different context than just a guy hitting on a chick in a park.
Quote from: D88M on Sep 07, 2018, 10:23:49 PM
Did my thread really got deleted so they could just make another one about the same subject, what was the point? Whatever, i dont care
It all got merged into a single thread.
Well this just ain't right. I'm glad Olivia spoke up about it. Nobody should get a free pass for this just because you have connections.
Shane, you did bad on this.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/olivia-munn-says-fox-didnt-return-her-call-initially-after-reporting-predator-sex-offender-exclusive-interview-1202933315/
I wonder if the scene will make the DVD outtakes.
On a side note, Munn means Penis in Estonian.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 08, 2018, 06:59:39 PM
On a side note, Munn means Penis in Estonian.
Well thank goodness she wasn't born an Estonian dude named Harry then. ;D
BTW wasn't Bryan Singer accused of rape? Did she say anything about that thing? Because she did work with him if I am not mistaken.
Yes she did but I don't believe he was ever convicted or arrested. I think the rumors surfaced right before their X-Men Apocalypse premier and then Singer decided to lie low and not attend promotional events.
https://twitter.com/latimesent/status/1038555487778693120
https://twitter.com/latimesent/status/1038556318498402305
https://twitter.com/latimesent/status/1038557229828296704
https://twitter.com/latimesent/status/1038558137144336384
I hear where shes coming from but it sure must suck for her lesser known castmates sitting there making their first big film debut and being asked uncomfortable questions about something they had nothing to do with.
Imagine being at work and having to vocally make a stance every so often about how wrong sex offenses are. I'd be like "dude obviously I'm not cool with it, can you stop asking me this shit?"
I realize the issue is bigger than filmmaking but the film is literally all they signed on for and they're being dragged through the mud with it.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/09/olivia-munn-the-predator-response-speaking-out
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 09, 2018, 12:32:09 AM
I hear where shes coming from but it sure must suck for her lesser known castmates sitting there making their first big film debut and being asked uncomfortable questions about something they had nothing to do with.
Imagine being at work and having to vocally make a stance every so often about how wrong sex offenses are. I'd be like "dude obviously I'm not cool with it, can you stop asking me this shit?"
I realize the issue is bigger than filmmaking but the film is literally all they signed on for and they're being dragged through the mud with it.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
What really sucks is that her feelings aren't misguided and it negatively affects her and her costars (also Shane Black depending on how much you believe his apology).
Astounding and sad that much of the focus is fixed on Munn's decorum. Black f**ked up. Thankfully the scene is gone.
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 08, 2018, 10:15:44 PM
Yes she did but I don't believe he was ever convicted or arrested. I think the rumors surfaced right before their X-Men Apocalypse premier and then Singer decided to lie low and not attend promotional events.
Oh really? What did she say about Bryan?
Yehh I don't think he got arrested for that, but his name does appears a lot when they talking about child abusing in Hollywood.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 09, 2018, 01:36:53 PM
Oh really? What did she say about Bryan?
I couldn't find anything with her talking about him although she does praise him in an interview with fellow castmates. Probably before the rumors surfaced though.
Sterling tweeted support to her (how come whenever I post tweets they dont show up correctly?):
https://twitter.com/SterlingKBrown/status/1038679549058342912?s=20
Sad that her co stars abandoned her during press or when it's brought up
I wonder who is the fellow cast member that walked away from an interview with her when asked about all of this...
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 09, 2018, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 09, 2018, 12:32:09 AM
I hear where shes coming from but it sure must suck for her lesser known castmates sitting there making their first big film debut and being asked uncomfortable questions about something they had nothing to do with.
Imagine being at work and having to vocally make a stance every so often about how wrong sex offenses are. I'd be like "dude obviously I'm not cool with it, can you stop asking me this shit?"
I realize the issue is bigger than filmmaking but the film is literally all they signed on for and they're being dragged through the mud with it.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Just watched Hollywood reporter interview with her by herself. Cast was supposed to be with her but she's been abandoned.
Black deserves everything he gets for doing this. Hiring a paedophile and not telling anyone should not go unpunished.
The rest of the cast is probably very conflicted about this... Backing her up fully could appear as trashing Shane Black, and they probably don't want that.
bit.ly/2N2gCZy (http://bit.ly/2N2gCZy)
Here's a Variety interview from yesterday afternoon where shes with Keegan and Boyd and speaking about the controversy.
Yeah she has been with the cast for the majority of the interviews. I can see why they don't want to keep talking about it but imo you suck it up. Especially these days.
Yeah they have to suck it up. It's just an odd thing to promote a movie while simultaneously speaking out against the director, but it can only get worse if they flat out abandon her.
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 09, 2018, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 09, 2018, 01:36:53 PM
Oh really? What did she say about Bryan?
I couldn't find anything with her talking about him although she does praise him in an interview with fellow castmates. Probably before the rumors surfaced though.
Sterling tweeted support to her (how come whenever I post tweets they dont show up correctly?):
https://twitter.com/SterlingKBrown/status/1038679549058342912?s=20
Ohh no, rumors and allegations were surfacing in 1996 and 2014 way before the X men Apocalyps where she was staring. So I am sure it's not like she didn't hear about this rumors :)
Also Sterling got under the heat too, now people attacking him :-\
If Black has known the full ins-and-outs of what this guy has done then it's disgusting of him to hire someone like that, not to put too fine a point on it.
But, playing Devil's advocate, it sounds like he's strung him along and most likely downplayed it. "I didn't know she was a kid" etc.
Though, the fact that he's hired him 3/4 times is a little concerning.
What I will say is, if he was privvy to all of this and knew the full details then f**k him. f**k him, this film and his career. As this type of stiff is just not on.
And I say that as someone who loves Shane Black.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/olivia-munn-says-she-feels-isolated-by-predator-cast-after-scene-cut/ar-BBN70QO?li=BBoPJKU&ocid=mailsignout
It's a tough situation everyone's in but more for Olivia Munn. You can say the cast didn't ask for this type of heat while promoting a film they all worked hard on, but that 14 year old girl didn't ask to be lured into that creep's trap either. Olivia did the right thing, I don't 100% like that she is kind of calling out her castmates because they didn't do anything (as far as we know) against her. There are contracts in play and signed agreements for what they are required to do in regard to promoting this movie and for most of this cast this is a big deal to be in a high profile film like this, but they should support Olivia for doing what was right. Right now this movie is getting publicity because of this scandal unfortunately but it had to be said.
It's obvious now that Shane Black and Olivia Munn are not speaking, she is hurt that he didn't give her a personal apology which he should have regardless of how much he knew about his friends situation or not. I thought what Sterling K Brown said was pretty good, he does seem to be getting attacked for his comments though. It sucks because when the cast was at Comic-Con and on Conan you could tell they all really got along and seeing it now you can tell everyone is very nervous on these interviews.
I still find it shocking Black didn't get this guy beyond taking his word.
I don't feel sorry for Munn at all, that's the way she wanted it, she wanted the attention.
She found out mid August, got the scene cut... why not go public then? Or better yet, after the movie? Nope, two days before the premiere in toronto, and that was calculated by herself. There was absolutely no rational reason why she would do it now, when the movie comes out. The scene is out, for over a month now, there is nothing harmful about this movie anymore, the guy is not in there, no power given to him anymore... why not speak out later? Or earlier?
That's what i call a-grade sabotage, she wanted to hurt the movie, and most of all, the director, and thats a really cheap payback.
I just feel sorry for everyone involved getting into the trasher as well, working 15 hour days on this in rainy vancouver and getting bad press for not shitting on this movie and their careers by openly trashing the director. They are promoting a movie, not a campaign, and what she calls a coward i call a professional.
Let me be clear, what Munn did was right, i would feel somewhat uncomfortable with the scene knowing what the guy did, but i don't agree in the slightest with the way she is doing it on the back of a lot of people who didn't know the situation and probably losing a lot of money now.
This is not about her "protecting our children", nope, not in the slightest, this is about her having to work with this guy.
Surely, the 14 year old, who's long grown up now, feels a lot better that her case got public ...
Everybody is losing. My two cents.
The man's actions are horrible and disgusting. That being said everyone need to get over themselves and take a chill pill especially Munn. The man plead guilty, served his time and was not in breach of any California laws. He is still able to make a living and it doesn't have to be disclosed to the other members of the cast because it's bone of their business. It's doesn't involve them, and as long as he's not acting sleezy or scummy to the on set, there is no problem. For those of you who want to say that he lured the 14yr old, you are wrong. None of you were there and are just speculating. For all we know she was equally involved and had full understanding of what she was doing. Anyone outside her head simply doesn't know and is projecting their subjective narrative in the situation, including Munn.
This is the first time have posted on this page.
I regularly read and seriously appreciate it.
Yet find the disturbing reasoning some of you have is vile.
She was right.
This film is cursed for some reason📡
This film is ☠️
I personally very conflicted, I like Shane a lot, but feel very strange about him putting this guy in his movies, not a wise move. This guy of course is strange and sick guy, and not supporting him sexually harassing or hitting on 14 years old. But I also conflicted by Munn, I mean I like her, and I think she probably did a right thing, but I do thing that going public not a nice thing neither, a lot of her costars getting under heat, and they not connected to that situation at all. And I also think that Munn being a hypocrite by being nice and working together with Bryan Singer who already was accused of child molesting for years. ???
I have the feeing this tread's gonna be locked soon... :laugh:
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 06:04:44 PM
I personally very conflicted, I like Shane a lot, but feel very strange about him putting this guy in his movies, not a wise move. This guy of course is strange and sick guy, and not supporting him sexually harassing or hitting on 14 years old. But I also conflicted by Munn, I mean I like her, and I think she probably did a right thing, but I do thing that going public not a nice thing neither, a lot of her costars getting under heat, and they not connected to that situation at all. And I also think that Munn being a hypocrite by being nice and working together with Bryan Singer who already was accused of child molesting for years. ???
Great point. Hadn't even crossed my mind.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 10, 2018, 05:34:11 PM
I don't feel sorry for Munn at all, that's the way she wanted it, she wanted the attention.
She found out mid August, got the scene cut... why not go public then? Or better yet, after the movie? Nope, two days before the premiere in toronto, and that was calculated by herself. There was absolutely no rational reason why she would do it now, when the movie comes out. The scene is out, for over a month now, there is nothing harmful about this movie anymore, the guy is not in there, no power given to him anymore... why not speak out later? Or earlier?
That's what i call a-grade sabotage, she wanted to hurt the movie, and most of all, the director, and thats a really cheap payback.
I just feel sorry for everyone involved getting into the trasher as well, working 15 hour days on this in rainy vancouver and getting bad press for not shitting on this movie and their careers by openly trashing the director. They are promoting a movie, not a campaign, and what she calls a coward i call a professional.
Let me be clear, what Munn did was right, i would feel somewhat uncomfortable with the scene knowing what the guy did, but i don't agree in the slightest with the way she is doing it on the back of a lot of people who didn't know the situation and probably losing a lot of money now.
This is not about her "protecting our children", nope, not in the slightest, this is about her having to work with this guy.
Surely, the 14 year old, who's long grown up now, feels a lot better that her case got public ...
Everybody is losing. My two cents.
So I wasn't the only one that got that impression.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 10, 2018, 06:04:44 PM
And I also think that Munn being a hypocrite by being nice and working together with Bryan Singer who already was accused of child molesting for years. ???
Hmmm
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 10, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
I have the feeing this tread's gonna be locked soon... :laugh:
Maybe its for the best, I knew things would eventually get more controversial when it started turning into a Shane vs Munn thing. Things on this movie are already controversial and bad as they are. Keep going on this matter while the scene and guy were already removed will just take out focus on the actual movie and make fans argue among themselves.
There's no scenario in which Munn comes out of this looking a villain in thisand any attempts to paint her as such are made by people who are part of the problem.
Quote from: Gazz on Sep 10, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
There's no scenario in which Munn comes out of this looking a villain in thisand any attempts to paint her as such are made by people who are part of the problem.
She's no villain, but a serious hypocrite. Not accepting Black's public apology because it wasn't given privately to her... is she for real? Openly denounce the director, the studio, The cast but
then she wants to play the privacy game? Not how it works.
Again, it's not what she has done, it's how she's done, if i would be in the cast she could kiss my sweet ass too.
I dont think Munn is a villain but does that mean guys like Keegan are villains? Does anyone know about the statement his rep made:
QuoteKeegan was never booked to do an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. His last interview was scheduled after lunch, which he completed. He was always departing TIFF early so he could be home to spend the Jewish holiday with his wife. Furthermore, Keegan reached out to Olivia privately last week to let her know how proud he was of her and echoed that sentiment in many interviews since then.
The headlines have people attacking the
entire cast and I dont think that's fair. If she has an issue with more than just Shane, it's not good to be vague and say the entire cast are being villains. That's messed up.
Just a reminder to make sure this conversation is had with some decorum and respect.
I think most can agree on the "how" of what she did. Probably could've been better ways to do it. But that's still a messed up situation from the get go anyways.
Shane Black messed up.
Hiring a sex offender friend to share a scene with his lead actress... christ. ::)
That said, Munn seems to be acting in an overzealous manner.
Black doesn't seem to have acted in an intentionally harmful manner.
Just.. put his trust in a friend who didn't deserve it.
Scene was deleted. Good.
Now they all should move on from this entire mess.
Quote from: Gazz on Sep 10, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
There's no scenario in which Munn comes out of this looking a villain in thisand any attempts to paint her as such are made by people who are part of the problem.
This, also a pedophile hasn't paid it's dues until it's dead frankly, and Olivia Munn is within her rights to speak about the situation as she chooses.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 10, 2018, 08:13:39 PM
I think most can agree on the "how" of what she did. Probably could've been better ways to do it. But that's still a messed up situation from the get go anyways.
Yeah it definitely is and that's not her fault, that's Shane's. Even Shane said he's disappointed in himself so I'm not sure why the cast doesn't just echo that and try to move on. Is there a way to professionally say you're disappointed in the director of a movie you're trying to promote?
"I think Olivia is right in speaking out and Shane made a bad call with that decision. I'd like to sit down and have a civil discussion with him but for right now all I can say is its disappointing despite how much I love the work we've all done in making this film together."
Idk, something like that.
You can tell Trevante really doesn't like the question.
Boyd's statement:
https://screenrant.com/predator-boyd-holbrook-response-olivia-munn-controversy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Shane was doing a movie with Netflix. It's cancelled now.
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 10, 2018, 08:26:44 PM
You can tell Trevante really doesn't like the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyDOeR_ZFbo
"Next question please". Yep.
I think he and maybe others have started to get a little bothered by it since the press seems to be focusing more on that than the actual movie and their performance. They want to be asked questions on their character, their experience in the movie, how it is like to be part of such a franchise, the movie overall. Like Keegan said, they want to focus on the positive things and move forward, having this negative stuff that he as an actor had nothing to do with and might have only become aware recently being brough up to him in every interview got him impatient.
That's just the impression I'm getting.
Safe to say some outlets would rather focus on this controversy than speak about the movie. Press Junkets are already tough on actors and now this just makes it worse. These guys didn't even work with that actor nor were they probably aware he was in the movie, now they are being asked to speak on these issues over and over again. I can understand their frustration. It's a tough spot to be in. They're getting called out by Munn and being asked to speak on this probably dozens of times a day now.
It's a tough situation but I do feel for them.
So, without reading the rest of the thread to avoid any spoilers that I can at this point, I watched the LATimes interview from TIFF where Aguilera and Rhodes were with Olivia Munn.
It's clear that they wanted to celebrate/talk up the movie, story and cast when press is just kicking off, and were not prepared for the whole situation. Any of that would have been moot when Olivia is (rightfully) dismissing Shane Black. There was nowhere else to go. They looked visibly let down by the way things turned out.
In order to really focus on the positives of making the movie, there hasn't been exactly the widespread supportive response you'd want from everybody, sure. But she's definitely trying to. Munn is already basically torn from association with Black, as evidenced in her comments, and Black is a moron in every way, as well as Fox to a major extent.
However, I don't think all of the outrage online directed to the entire cast is fair, unless one of them explicitly cancelled an appearance they were supposed to do with Olivia. Which, I don't think there's any evidence of.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 11, 2018, 01:25:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeGQjlAbpA4
I'm glad she mentioned Sterling reaching out. Sounds like the studio just wanted this taken care of quietly but she felt the need to let this out publicly, which I feel was the right thing to do.
The absolute ONLY reason she's on Ellen is because this crap. Somebody give her a bucket because she's gonna milk the hell out of this.
If the movie tanks, I hope Shane doesn't use this business as an excuse for it.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 12, 2018, 04:11:35 AM
If the movie tanks, I hope Shane doesn't use this business as an excuse for it.
Well, this isn't helping. So if there was a small margin is now gone.
Oh it's definitely going to be a reason for bad business. Add this to the mixed reviews and it's a recipe for poor returns.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 08:03:29 AM
Oh it's definitely going to be a reason for bad business. Add this to the mixed reviews and it's a recipe for poor returns.
The cinema that I booked my showing in only had two already booked seats, in a major city
-opening night, not a good sign.
The big IMAX near me was about half full for tonight's showing. Tomorrow it's practically empty. I honestly don't expect it to do very well.
Like Hicks is saying, the negative fallout from this has already set in.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 08:08:32 AM
The big IMAX near me was about half full for tonight's showing. Tomorrow it's practically empty. I honestly don't expect it to do very well.
Yeah, this is depressing. I was booking IMAX tickets for me and a buddy of mine for the premier at midnight tonight aaannnddd... we were the first booking seats. Really lame, I'm not even sure it's fully due to the controversy, I just think genre movies are becoming more and more hard to sell in theatres.
So next week Black is probably going to be called/comparred with a convicted pedophile? - by social media standards. I'm not a betting man but I would put my money on this going south real fast.
What a shame to end a franchise like that eh?
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 12, 2018, 12:25:29 PM
So next week Black is probably going to be called/comparred with a convicted pedophile? - by social media standards. I'm not a betting man but I would put my money on this going south real fast.
What a shame to end a franchise like that eh?
I agree with you overall. But we can admit Shane Black messed up casting his "friend" many times in hollywood movies... I mean how naive is he to keep doing that, despite knowing this industry very well, and having to keep in mind this could happen anytime ? It happened now, well, that sucks.
It's a touchy subject but, from a legal standpoint, Shane didn't do anything wrong and the scene was removed. I don't consider this situation on the same level as Weinstein. We have directors, like Tarantino, who constantly worked with that pig, who are still comfortably thriving in the industry (granted I still watch the guy's movies because there is talent and entertainment there but still there is something to be said).
Shane should have let Munn know though so she could decide and, obviously, she would have made the better call. She is not the villain here but neither are her costars who are receiving a lot of negativity even after voicing their support for her. It's all really aggravating and no doubt this movie and probably the series will suffer for it but that may not be the bigger issue here either.
He kind of shot himself in the foot, unfortunately, it ricocheted and hit the predator franchise. I just fail to believe that he didn't know the full scope of what that guy did. If you are arrested and serve freakin' time for a crime involving a child, odds are you didn't just blow kisses in their direction. Friend or not, keeping a guy with that kind of record around was a mess waiting to happen. And here we are.
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 12, 2018, 12:25:29 PM
So next week Black is probably going to be called/comparred with a convicted pedophile? - by social media standards. I'm not a betting man but I would put my money on this going south real fast.
What a shame to end a franchise like that eh?
The franchise ended when they didn't have Arnie starring in this. It would have been huge.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Sep 12, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
Like Hicks is saying, the negative fallout from this has already set in.
Very true, you couldn't time it any better if you were rooting for this film to fail. Even I am hardly in the mood to see it this Friday knowing everything behind the scenes - and this has been my most anticipated movie since it was announced in 2014 😅
It went from 75% on down to 40% on Rotten Tomatoes...
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 12, 2018, 03:37:47 PM
It went from 75% on down to 40% on Rotten Tomatoes...
This is dread, mon, very dread.
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It went from 75% on down to 40% on Rotten Tomatoes...
This is dread, mon, very dread.
There's no stopping what can't be stopped.
Hey, make sense man.
There's been an update but I can't follow the read more link: https://dailywn.com/news/118664
^ It's a statement from the Jane Doe that Streiger guy tried to molest.
Link to video interview of Shane at premiere:
https://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/shane-black-gets-emotional-apologizing-to-olivia-munn-over-predator-controversy (https://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/shane-black-gets-emotional-apologizing-to-olivia-munn-over-predator-controversy)
Quote"I have reached out to Olivia," he told Entertainment Tonight. "I felt that I owed her that call, that apology and I'm very sorry for any pain that she's felt, but I reached out privately."
"If I caused pain, it's on me. It's my fault. I made a decision, which was a very bad – look, it's not about the fact that I was as shocked to discover what's going on at reading these horrible things in the paper. That's still on me," he continued.
"I'm not allowed to just treat this like we're kids in college and putting friends in movies because this is big leagues, and I felt like I had let people down and caused pain to the cast and that is not acceptable."
Spoiler
Because of all this i couldnt help but laugh at the Wanna Meet A Predator line
Just saw a recent podcast of Collider, and a dude said some jokes felt dirty after learning about the scene that was cut for the reasons we know... I mean WTF ? Are you that fragile ? You can't take sex jokes ? That's what they are, jokes ! And use this f**ked up situation to say that the jokes felt dirty... Man oh man...
They even said there were too many swears, well it's a Shane Black joint, what did you expect ? Intellectual masturbation lol ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 13, 2018, 01:54:40 PM
Just saw a recent podcast of Collider, and a dude said some jokes felt dirty after learning about the scene that was cut for the reasons we know... I mean WTF ? Are you that fragile ? You can't take sex jokes ? That's what they are, jokes ! And use this f**ked up situation to say that the jokes felt dirty... Man oh man...
They even said there were too many swears, well it's a Shane Black joint, what did you expect ? Intellectual masturbation lol ?
Like i said a few page earlier, Predator franchise is done if it's going to Disney. The best bet is it being sold off to Legendary.
Disney torpedoed GotG, which is a way more profitable franchise, they are not going to have any issue letting this one die.
Why has discussion of this devolved into 'RUINED FOREVER' hysterics, as though how it effects the franchise is in any way the point?
Shane Black hired a pedophile, Olivia Munn spoke out, and the victim of said pedophile has publicly thanked her for doing so; that's what happened. Period. If Fox and Black hadn't tried to brush it under the rug when it happened, maybe it wouldn't have exploded the way it has, but they did, and so here we are. Movies aren't made in a vacuum. The idea that this situation isn't going to color people's perceptions of the movie (which, let's remember, is called "The Predator"), particularly where dirty jokes are concerned... I mean, honestly, who's being "easily offended" here?
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 13, 2018, 09:18:10 PM
who's being "easily offended" here?
A lot of people in today's society.
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Why has discussion of this devolved into 'RUINED FOREVER' hysterics, as though how it effects the franchise is in any way the point?
Shane Black hired a pedophile, Olivia Munn spoke out, and the victim of said pedophile has publicly thanked her for doing so; that's what happened. Period. If Fox and Black hadn't tried to brush it under the rug when it happened, maybe it wouldn't have exploded the way it has, but they did, and so here we are. Movies aren't made in a vacuum. The idea that this situation isn't going to color people's perceptions of the movie (which, let's remember, is called "The Predator"), particularly where dirty jokes are concerned... I mean, honestly, who's being "easily offended" here?
This is a fan board, what are we going to talk about? The thing we are a fan of.
No laws were broken, this whole thing is about one actress letting everyone know she got a scene cut out then she went around complaining people weren't talking to her about this during premiere week. Who wants to talk about her personal decision during premiere week? And let's not forget this was done months ago, saying that she has to speak, this and that, but why didn't she do it when it happened?
PS-yes, PR-wise this was a bad idea from Black.
^ Most of your points were addressed in that Ellen interview. Not trying to be a smart-ass, just FYI.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 14, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
A lot of people in today's society.
Oh, spare me. We live at a time where Family Guy can joke about rape on a major network and NOT cause a riot - any given episode of that, or South Park, or just about anything else on TV has content on it that would've landed someone in jail in the 50's. I'm sick to death of people whining about how no one can say anything when we live in what is - content-wise - the least restrictive mass media landscape ever.
EDIT: I hope this doesn't come off as overly aggressive; I'm not snapping at you so much as the argument.
SUPER-DUPER EDIT: I think we got side-tracked here. My point was more about the Collider guys than anything; of course they're gonna be thinking of this situation during the movie. I mean, if you watch Moonwalker, the scene where Michael Jackson is chasing two children through a meadow laughing is gonna come off fairly differently to how the director intended. 'Sall I'm saying.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 14, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
^ Most of your points were addressed in that Ellen interview. Not trying to be a smart-ass, just FYI.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 14, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
A lot of people in today's society.
Oh, spare me. We live at a time where Family Guy can joke about rape on a major network and NOT cause a riot - any given episode of that, or South Park, or just about anything else on TV has content on it that would've landed someone in jail in the 50's. I'm sick to death of people whining about how no one can say anything when we live in what is - content-wise - the least restrictive mass media landscape ever.
EDIT: I hope this doesn't come off as overly aggressive; I'm not snapping at you so much as the argument.
SUPER-DUPER EDIT: I think we got side-tracked here. My point was more about the Collider guys than anything; of course they're gonna be thinking of this situation during the movie. I mean, if you watch Moonwalker, the scene where Michael Jackson is chasing two children through a meadow laughing is gonna come off fairly differently to how the director intended. 'Sall I'm saying.
But the scene was cut in The Predator, so that's different. What would they have wanted ? Just one timid sex joke through the entire film for them to not be offended ?
I maintain that our era is definitely more punishing towards men making sex comments about women, yes, totally. 30 or 40 years ago you totally could do more than now, be more provocative in this direction, no doubt about it.
The fact that your avatar is my favorite character from Predator makes it hard to argue with you because I feel like I'm talking shit to Mac, LOL.
I guess I'm saying that, whether the scene is gone or not, the stink of this controversy is still gonna hang over the film, but I take your point. We'll just have to agree to disagree about the rest, as I suspect we're coming at it from different directions entirely.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 13, 2018, 01:54:40 PM
Just saw a recent podcast of Collider, and a dude said some jokes felt dirty after learning about the scene that was cut for the reasons we know... I mean WTF ? Are you that fragile ? You can't take sex jokes ? That's what they are, jokes ! And use this f**ked up situation to say that the jokes felt dirty... Man oh man...
They even said there were too many swears, well it's a Shane Black joint, what did you expect ? Intellectual masturbation lol ?
yeah collider is pretty much scum never liked them and never will.
The film succeeded in deterring discussion from this topic at least.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 15, 2018, 01:21:33 AM
The fact that your avatar is my favorite character from Predator makes it hard to argue with you because I feel like I'm talking shit to Mac, LOL.
I guess I'm saying that, whether the scene is gone or not, the stink of this controversy is still gonna hang over the film, but I take your point. We'll just have to agree to disagree about the rest, as I suspect we're coming at it from different directions entirely.
No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Gonna have me some fun!
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No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Not a man, but thanks!
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No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Not a man, but thanks!
Oh ok !
By the way, did anyone saw anything about Munn speaking on Bryan Singer's bad deeds on the same subject ? I saw nothing, and have trouble imagining she doesn't know about it.
Quote from: skhellter on Sep 10, 2018, 08:18:56 PM
Shane Black messed up.
Hiring a sex offender friend to share a scene with his lead actress... christ. ::)
That said, Munn seems to be acting in an overzealous manner.
Black doesn't seem to have acted in an intentionally harmful manner.
Just.. put his trust in a friend who didn't deserve it.
Scene was deleted. Good.
Now they all should move on from this entire mess.
Who is socially acceptable with casting / making Hollywood movies?
Steven Wilder Striegel pleaded guilty to two felonies in 2010 for which he served six months in jail. That's public record.
After this, Wilder was cast in several films including "Iron Man 3".
* In the past it was believed, once a person had served their time, then they could work again. With a registered sex offender, a job was possible as long as children were not involved in the work setting.
- But it seems with Hollywood films, that is no longer true. What is being implied in the reactions to this scandal is that Wilder should never work in movies again.
* Olivia Munn's complaint is that she was not fully informed of Wilder's background while filming "The Predator". True.
But Munn's issue was eventually addressed by the filmmakers.
- Because Wilder's scene was cut from "The Predator".
- Still Munn wanted to expose Shane Black and the producers in the media for what they did (which led to Black's public apology).
She has received a lot of support for her actions.
- Still, that brings up another implied message, that a person who has served time should be black listed from the Hollywood film industry.
* I don't make a judgement if this is right or wrong. The general public will decide over time.
The Hollywood film industry with politicians & political organizations black listed multiple film makers in the 1950s for far left views.
A claim of national security was made then and several people who promoted the 50s black list never apologized for it.
- Black lists are always possible for who is allowed to make Hollywood movies.
;)
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No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Not a man, but thanks!
Oh ok !
By the way, did anyone saw anything about Munn speaking on Bryan Singer's bad deeds on the same subject ? I saw nothing, and have trouble imagining she doesn't know about it.
She may legitimately not have known about the Singer allegations; as far as I know, they were only allegations (ie: not full-on guilty verdict as in this case) and only came out after the movie had been released. In this case, the guy's guilt was a matter of public record AND mirrored the character he played in the movie exactly. It's a slightly different animal, though I can see where you're coming from.
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No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Not a man, but thanks!
Oh ok !
By the way, did anyone saw anything about Munn speaking on Bryan Singer's bad deeds on the same subject ? I saw nothing, and have trouble imagining she doesn't know about it.
She may legitimately not have known about the Singer allegations; as far as I know, they were only allegations (ie: not full-on guilty verdict as in this case) and only came out after the movie had been released. In this case, the guy's guilt was a matter of public record AND mirrored the character he played in the movie exactly. It's a slightly different animal, though I can see where you're coming from.
Beat me to it lol
I don't know if anyone else has shared this or not and I'm placing it here, I know The Predator is kind of a mess and I feel that this controversy may have hindered the movie a little, I know it has because I've seen tons of people say they weren't watching it now, I totally understand that, because I don't support sexual predators and feel they deserve a place in Hell. I really do hope Shane didn't know the full details and was misled. I do feel like this has affected the ratings some fans have given as well...if it needs to be moved cool, I'm sure Corporal Hicks knows where it belongs
Vanity Fair: Jake Busey Wishes Olivia Munn Had Waited to Speak Up About Predator Sex Offender.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/09/the-predator-olivia-munn-sex-offender-scandal-jake-busey
I've moved it to the existing thread on the issue
Quote"I think it could've been done like a month from now, and let the studio and the director have their night of the release and the movie," Busey told Us Weekly, "and not destroy the movie over a discovery that was made a year after filming—and 10 years after the incident. I think the timing could have been better.The director was in tears at the red carpet, which is not really the way you want it to be. But it's done, it's put to bed."
The article doesn't mention Black later said he didn't know the actual details of the crime until this all came out and appologised for it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2018, 11:28:08 AM
I've moved it to the existing thread on the issue
Quote"I think it could've been done like a month from now, and let the studio and the director have their night of the release and the movie," Busey told Us Weekly, "and not destroy the movie over a discovery that was made a year after filming—and 10 years after the incident. I think the timing could have been better.The director was in tears at the red carpet, which is not really the way you want it to be. But it's done, it's put to bed."
The article doesn't mention Black later said he didn't know the actual details of the crime until this all came out and appologised for it.
Thanks Hicks, I've had a hard time keeping up with all the threads lately
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2018, 11:28:08 AM
I've moved it to the existing thread on the issue
Quote"I think it could've been done like a month from now, and let the studio and the director have their night of the release and the movie," Busey told Us Weekly, "and not destroy the movie over a discovery that was made a year after filming—and 10 years after the incident. I think the timing could have been better.The director was in tears at the red carpet, which is not really the way you want it to be. But it's done, it's put to bed."
The article doesn't mention Black later said he didn't know the actual details of the crime until this all came out and appologised for it.
Jake got it nailed, the problem was solved behind closed doors almost a month before the release, the scene got cut and Munn got what she wanted, but that wasn't enough for her.
This could have been solved in a great way that made everyone a winner (besides Black of course), the movie, the studio and Munn, i think she's really... not the smartest person for doing it this way.
I believe Olivia Munn feels calling attention to the issue, one that's permeated Hollywood for decades-
people in positions of authority hiring their friends in bad judgment.
Is ultimately more important than how financially successful The Predator, or the Predator franchise is.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 18, 2018, 01:00:08 PM
Is ultimately more important than how financially successful The Predator, or the Predator franchise is.
Not to me, not to the studio and countless people working their asses off for this, including all her co-stars.
She said she's angry for not having a choice... but she's got no problem trashing her entire cast with this too.
Nope, not working for me.
There are people out there that are heroes, going up and speaking up about abuse, even having experienced it by themselfes, getting attention on the back of a big studio movie for this is not brave, it's hypocritical. She would have been 100 times more a heroe if she would have come out with this in a month from now, she still would have done the right thing
and letting people have their dime = Everyone is a winner.
There is nothing to protest against here, the scene got cut, the movie is not a problem anymore and she still felt the need to come out one day before the release, what did she think would happen? That people buy more tickets now?
Ask Boyd Holbrook what he feels like not getting a lead role in a major studio movie anymore because her co-star sank him and his movie over a long closed case that got solved internal long before the movie got released.
Nope, still not working.
Amazingly on the issue of a director quietly hiring a convicted sex offender on their film, the person who spoke up about it is the one having their credibility and integrity questioned. Get the f**k out of here with that shit.
Sure the issue could have been dealt with quietly, but this way at least sends a message to the rest of Hollywood that there are people who won't stand for it anymore. To deal with the issue quietly changes little and to approach it with willful silence is to allow it to continue. Not to mention there's the victim's response, who has publicly thanked Olivia Munn for speaking up on the issue, her experience and validating her.
Quote from: Gazz on Sep 18, 2018, 02:39:06 PM
Amazingly on the issue of a director quietly hiring a convicted sex offender on their film, the person who spoke up about it is the one having their credibility and integrity questioned. Get the f**k out of here with that shit.
Sure the issue could have been dealt with quietly, but this way at least sends a message to the rest of Hollywood that there are people who won't stand for it anymore. To deal with the issue quietly changes little and to approach it with willful silence is to allow it to continue. Not to mention there's the victim's response, who has publicly thanked Olivia Munn for speaking up on the issue, her experience and validating her.
Did i ever say that the fact she spoke up was wrong? Did i ever say that Black hiring this guy was right? Did i ever say that people molesting others should be kept quiet? No, i didnt.
My opinion still stands though, the timing was shit. It's no help for the victim or any other campaign for this movie to bomb because of controversy, and threaten careers and employments from people who were out of control of this situation.
She can do this decision for herself, but she did it for the rest of the cast, no matter how good a service she did to the victim or the metoo or any other campaign,
that is wrong, and that's the only thing i'm and others are criticising.
What she did was right, how she did it was plain revanchist, and i don't agree with that.
And i have the right to say that, it's my opinion.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 18, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
My opinion still stands though, the timing was shit. It's no help for the victim or any other campaign for this movie to bomb because of controversy, and threaten careers and employments from people who were out of control of this situation.
None of that would even be possible if the studio had done their due diligence. If safeguards were put in place to where offenders couldn't be involved, then there would be no financial risk to anyone right now. I think Shane knew everything. I don't see how he couldn't. But the studio should've planned for something like this. I'm not sure if any innocent person's career is in jeopardy though.
And frankly, if the movie bombs, I think it will be mostly because it sucks.
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No problem man ! Mac loves a little fun arguing sometimes ! :P
Not a man, but thanks!
Oh ok !
By the way, did anyone saw anything about Munn speaking on Bryan Singer's bad deeds on the same subject ? I saw nothing, and have trouble imagining she doesn't know about it.
She may legitimately not have known about the Singer allegations; as far as I know, they were only allegations (ie: not full-on guilty verdict as in this case) and only came out after the movie had been released. In this case, the guy's guilt was a matter of public record AND mirrored the character he played in the movie exactly. It's a slightly different animal, though I can see where you're coming from.
Ok, i thought he was convicted one time, but he wasn't. Thanks for clarifying that.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 18, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
My opinion still stands though, the timing was shit. It's no help for the victim or any other campaign for this movie to bomb because of controversy, and threaten careers and employments from people who were out of control of this situation.
The timing was perfect for maximising publicity around the issue as evidenced by the continued press coverage. That certainly has helped the victim according to her own words. And if the movie bombs because a convicted sex offender was knowingly hired (which, let's face it, this was never going to make money), then good.
Great in fact. What better way to send a message. As the old saying goes, money is the only language Hollywood understands and this will certainly make some studios think twice.
Agreed.
Obviously the guy can still work, but most of us seem to agree that casting him in the role of an insistent hit on a chick guy is in poor taste, or at least very misinformed.
The guy can still work, whether he should or not is another matter.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 18, 2018, 08:10:48 PM
The guy can still work, whether he should or not is another matter.
Oh he definitely should. He can clean the bathrooms at some arctic station that's staffed by 3 or 4 large men with IBS. His pay would simply be room and board. They could set him up in a nice little shed out near the perimeter. ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 18, 2018, 07:58:03 PM
Obviously the guy can still work, but most of us seem to agree that casting him in the role of an insistent hit on a chick guy is in poor taste, or at least very misinformed.
This is actually a good point. Put him in a scene with a Pred dog....Munn may not have an issue. I can see how she's not comfortable with the scene. Black was tone deaf on that, that's on him.
Munn tho better wake up and be consistent tho. Her employers are the same thing she's standing against, minus the legality trail to their names.
On a side note of everything that has been said here, Munn introduction scene was awful and it really showed that footage was missing, could have not just reshoot that scene with another actor?
The first 40 minutes of the movie were not totally bad but it was already very noticeable the awful editing with lots of missing stuff.
^ I don't see how that's relevant?
The subject heading is "Scene cut from The Predator due to sex offender casting" D88M is talking about the missing scene.
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The guy can still work, whether he should or not is another matter.
Oh he definitely should. He can clean the bathrooms at some arctic station that's staffed by 3 or 4 large men with IBS. His pay would simply be room and board. They could set him up in a nice little shed out near the perimeter. ;D
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