Why would Kay not mutate?...

[SiL]

So, ignore it if you want or keep hating the movie. I don't want to get into details of how functional cells could help re-arrange in a better way than dead cells; argument will go on.

The opening shows the whole thing is broken down; live cells are destroyed, they're not active in the process. So whether they're alive or not to begin with is irrelevant; dna, amino acids, carbon, etc etc are all present in a corpse.

I don't hate the movie. I don't care if the thing is alive or not.

[xShadowFoxX]

All of those things are present in a corpse, is the point. You don't need something to be alive to feature the building blocks of life.

So, ignore it if you want or keep hating the movie. I don't want to get into details of how functional cells could help re-arrange in a better way than dead cells; argument will go on (as you clearly don't know much about biochemistry).

I already told you that it was a director's choice of showing a custom of sacrifice.

I don't think anybody said that they were hating on the movie. And you're kind of right about us not being experts, but when you add a science-fantasy element like the black goo to that equation, all that shit goes out the window, and, in this case, consistency and logic.

[The_Foxcatcher]

Let me make this simple then.

Plagarius Praepotens only creates an Alien, by accumulating cells when implanted in a host, it does not do anything else. We know this because Alien, Aliens and Alien³ do exist.

When someone drinks the Pathogen liquid in Prometheus it does not create an Alien, ergo they must be different from each other.

The Pathogen ≠ Plagarius Praepotens

In Romulus the Science Officer then rearranges the liquid into a new form, and states it requires further development, it is not the exact same as either previous incarnation at this stage itself. It is not derived from The original Pathogen, it is derived from Plagarius Praepotens.

Plagarius Praepotens ≠ Compound Z-01

In Romulus, Rook said he recreated the 'Elixir of Life' which Weyland found at LV_223. First thing first, Rook should know that it was not an 'Elixir of Life' but a Bio-weapon & a mutagen. How could he come to that conclusion, only Fede can explain.

Plagarius Praepotens does not fall under the official Alien movie franchise canon. The term "Plagarius Praepotens" is typically associated with fan theories or expanded lore created outside of the core films. 

Even if you want to consider it as a canon, it should create a Chestbuster. Because by this fan-theory, Plagarius Praepotens is a liquid discharged by the facehugger (instead of an embryo) to create a chestbuster.

I know that you know that Ray did not deliver a chestbuster but a mutated Baby.

So, to prove your point, you are saying that Rook modified Plagarius Praepotens (nowhere does the movie mention) and hence acted as a mutagen which mutated Kay's baby. Suit yourself, bro! Suit yourself & take care. Adios.

 

[SM]

Maybe it can't interact right with dead tissue.

DNA would be all it would need to do what it does, right? And DNA doesn't exactly degrade for a good while, living tissue or not.

Dunno. Just guessing.

[xShadowFoxX]

Let me make this simple then.

Plagarius Praepotens only creates an Alien, by accumulating cells when implanted in a host, it does not do anything else. We know this because Alien, Aliens and Alien³ do exist.

When someone drinks the Pathogen liquid in Prometheus it does not create an Alien, ergo they must be different from each other.

The Pathogen ≠ Plagarius Praepotens

In Romulus the Science Officer then rearranges the liquid into a new form, and states it requires further development, it is not the exact same as either previous incarnation at this stage itself. It is not derived from The original Pathogen, it is derived from Plagarius Praepotens.

Plagarius Praepotens ≠ Compound Z-01

In Romulus, Rook said he recreated the 'Elixir of Life' which Weyland found at LV_223. First thing first, Rook should know that it was not an 'Elixir of Life' but a Bio-weapon & a mutagen. How could he come to that conclusion, only Fede can explain.

Plagarius Praepotens does not fall under the official Alien movie franchise canon. The term "Plagarius Praepotens" is typically associated with fan theories or expanded lore created outside of the core films. 

Even if you want to consider it as a canon, it should create a Chestbuster. Because by this fan-theory, Plagarius Praepotens is a liquid discharged by the facehugger (instead of an embryo) to create a chestbuster.

I know that you know that Ray did not deliver a chestbuster but a mutated Baby.

So, to prove your point, you are saying that Rook modified Plagarius Praepotens (nowhere does the movie mention) and hence acted as a mutagen which mutated Kay's baby. Suit yourself, bro! Suit yourself & take care. Adios.

 

Uh.. what?

[SiL]

I'll second that.

[BlueMarsalis79]

Spoiler

In Romulus, Rook said he recreated the 'Elixir of Life' which Weyland found at LV_223. First thing first, Rook should know that it was not an 'Elixir of Life' but a Bio-weapon & a mutagen. How could he come to that conclusion, only Fede can explain.

Plagarius Praepotens does not fall under the official Alien movie franchise canon. The term "Plagarius Praepotens" is typically associated with fan theories or expanded lore created outside of the core films. 

Even if you want to consider it as a canon, it should create a Chestbuster. Because by this fan-theory, Plagarius Praepotens is a liquid discharged by the facehugger (instead of an embryo) to create a chestbuster.

I know that you know that Ray did not deliver a chestbuster but a mutated Baby.

So, to prove your point, you are saying that Rook modified Plagarius Praepotens (nowhere does the movie mention) and hence acted as a mutagen which mutated Kay's baby. Suit yourself, bro! Suit yourself & take care. Adios.

[close]

Let me make this simple then.

Plagarius Praepotens only creates an Alien, by accumulating cells when implanted in a host, it does not do anything else. We know this because Alien, Aliens and Alien³ do exist.

Science Officer Rook:
"The parasitoid is implanting the Plagiarus praepotens in her. A seed.The amalgamated egg with her DNA will rapidly grow out of her."

When someone drinks the Pathogen liquid in Prometheus it does not create an Alien, ergo they must be different from each other.

The Pathogen ≠ Plagarius Praepotens

In Romulus the Science Officer then rearranges the liquid into a new form, and states it requires further development, it is not the exact same as either previous incarnation at this stage itself. It is not derived from The original Pathogen, it is derived from Plagarius Praepotens.

"Mankind was never truly suited for space colonization.
They're simply too fragile. They're too weak.
The work of this station means to change that.
'The perfect organism', that's how we should refer to human beings!
So, I set this wrong right. I took its gift for humanity.
Inside parasitoids I bioengineered from xenomorph's DNA, I discovered a unique non-Newtonian fluid.
Life, in its most primal, unadulterated form.
This microorganism can be the most destructive pathogen ever observed.
But isolated and synthesized in our lab, I've turned it into the miracle Mr. Weyland died searching for:
Prometheus fire, the divine gift to humanity.
Z-01 contains the genome responsible for the Xeno's ability to accelerate and slow down its metabolism at will.
Its symbiotic capableness easily rewrites the host's DNA through its blood.
This is a much-needed and well-overdue upgrade for humanity.
We simply can not wait for evolution anymore."

Plagarius Praepotens ≠ Compound Z-01

Get your most basic of facts right first next time before being so arrogant.

[PAS]

I quite honestly like to think every chestburster victim eventually dies and becomes a hive wall

Hey now, that I really dig, after death they explode like the rat did and volia- you get a hive.

Ye I always loved to think that that's why they never leave bodies behind, even their own, even in death they will use us and themselves to further expand their territory

[razeak]

she mutated. she just didn't turn into a zombie thing.

Though I would think if the infant was changed so drastically why wasn't she?


or it follows the facehugger and she is just the host and she is modified to support the new life form. I actually like that if we are using silly magic goo.

[xShadowFoxX]

she mutated. she just didn't turn into a zombie thing.

Though I would think if the infant was changed so drastically why wasn't she?


or it follows the facehugger and she is just the host and she is modified to support the new life form. I actually like that if we are using silly magic goo.

I don't know why.. but I'm imagining Kenner action figures as future Aliens.

[The Cruentus]

Let me make this simple then.

Plagarius Praepotens only creates an Alien, by accumulating cells when implanted in a host, it does not do anything else. We know this because Alien, Aliens and Alien³ do exist.

When someone drinks the Pathogen liquid in Prometheus it does not create an Alien, ergo they must be different from each other.

The Pathogen ≠ Plagarius Praepotens

In Romulus the Science Officer then rearranges the liquid into a new form, and states it requires further development, it is not the exact same as either previous incarnation at this stage itself. It is not derived from The original Pathogen, it is derived from Plagarius Praepotens.

Plagarius Praepotens ≠ Compound Z-01

In Romulus, Rook said he recreated the 'Elixir of Life' which Weyland found at LV_223. First thing first, Rook should know that it was not an 'Elixir of Life' but a Bio-weapon & a mutagen. How could he come to that conclusion, only Fede can explain.

Plagarius Praepotens does not fall under the official Alien movie franchise canon. The term "Plagarius Praepotens" is typically associated with fan theories or expanded lore created outside of the core films. 

Even if you want to consider it as a canon, it should create a Chestbuster. Because by this fan-theory, Plagarius Praepotens is a liquid discharged by the facehugger (instead of an embryo) to create a chestbuster.

I know that you know that Ray did not deliver a chestbuster but a mutated Baby.

So, to prove your point, you are saying that Rook modified Plagarius Praepotens (nowhere does the movie mention) and hence acted as a mutagen which mutated Kay's baby. Suit yourself, bro! Suit yourself & take care. Adios.

 

Rook actually mentions the name Plagarius Praepotens, essentially making it an canonized term.

[ShadowSJG]

Her baby absorbed all the goo

[The_Foxcatcher]

Spoiler

In Romulus, Rook said he recreated the 'Elixir of Life' which Weyland found at LV_223. First thing first, Rook should know that it was not an 'Elixir of Life' but a Bio-weapon & a mutagen. How could he come to that conclusion, only Fede can explain.

Plagarius Praepotens does not fall under the official Alien movie franchise canon. The term "Plagarius Praepotens" is typically associated with fan theories or expanded lore created outside of the core films. 

Even if you want to consider it as a canon, it should create a Chestbuster. Because by this fan-theory, Plagarius Praepotens is a liquid discharged by the facehugger (instead of an embryo) to create a chestbuster.

I know that you know that Ray did not deliver a chestbuster but a mutated Baby.

So, to prove your point, you are saying that Rook modified Plagarius Praepotens (nowhere does the movie mention) and hence acted as a mutagen which mutated Kay's baby. Suit yourself, bro! Suit yourself & take care. Adios.

[close]

Let me make this simple then.

Plagarius Praepotens only creates an Alien, by accumulating cells when implanted in a host, it does not do anything else. We know this because Alien, Aliens and Alien³ do exist.

Science Officer Rook:
"The parasitoid is implanting the Plagiarus praepotens in her. A seed.The amalgamated egg with her DNA will rapidly grow out of her."

When someone drinks the Pathogen liquid in Prometheus it does not create an Alien, ergo they must be different from each other.

The Pathogen ≠ Plagarius Praepotens

In Romulus the Science Officer then rearranges the liquid into a new form, and states it requires further development, it is not the exact same as either previous incarnation at this stage itself. It is not derived from The original Pathogen, it is derived from Plagarius Praepotens.

"Mankind was never truly suited for space colonization.
They're simply too fragile. They're too weak.
The work of this station means to change that.
'The perfect organism', that's how we should refer to human beings!
So, I set this wrong right. I took its gift for humanity.
Inside parasitoids I bioengineered from xenomorph's DNA, I discovered a unique non-Newtonian fluid.
Life, in its most primal, unadulterated form.
This microorganism can be the most destructive pathogen ever observed.
But isolated and synthesized in our lab, I've turned it into the miracle Mr. Weyland died searching for:
Prometheus fire, the divine gift to humanity.
Z-01 contains the genome responsible for the Xeno's ability to accelerate and slow down its metabolism at will.
Its symbiotic capableness easily rewrites the host's DNA through its blood.
This is a much-needed and well-overdue upgrade for humanity.
We simply can not wait for evolution anymore."

Plagarius Praepotens ≠ Compound Z-01

Get your most basic of facts right first next time before being so arrogant.

Fine, so Fede finally canonized it! Quite a daring move, I must say for Fede.

Makes sense now. So, Rook derived the Plagrius, detected a Non-Newtonian liquid, isolated it, refined and derived another liquid - Z-01.

This Z-01 was to serve as growth accelerant/control; assuming it's also infused with Xenomorph DNA, it accelerated the growth of the Baby with Xenomorph attributes (Tail/Biomehanical skin/Secondary Jaws etc.)

The only thing bothers me is the appearance of 'Engineer'. Yes, there are people here who have to say that it triggered the original DNA of Engineers present in humans and got carved out in the Baby. But, this is just lame.

When Prometheus said DNA Match - there was no suggestion whether it's a 100% match. The DNA could have been compared for Base Pairs. Because if it was 100% match, then even humans on Earth would have the same look as that of the Engineer seen in the Prologue of the movie. 'They made us in their image'. But with a difference. 

I don't want to take this further. I just see it as a lost opportunity. The birth of a hybrid blend of a human and the Deacon could have served as a more fitting depiction of the Z-01 mutation, assuming Z-01 contains the original strands of the black goo with the DNA of the primitive organism seen in the Prometheus mural, but without the Xenomorph's adapted DNA traits (from David's insects) which got excluded during isolation by Rook. - It could have been a logical homage to Prometheus; but they thought, bringing in an Engineer would sound more Prometheus-ic!