Stumbling upon a dead Xenomorph in space..

Started by The_Foxcatcher, Sep 06, 2024, 10:27:06 AM

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razeak

Interesting read on the self-destruct mechanisms of the USS Enterprise carrier.

http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/scuttle.htm

YourHighnessMustafu__

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Sep 11, 2024, 11:15:04 AM;D You would need big balls to go monster hunting in those air ducts!
I always wanted to know whether he did it to protect Ripley, as they had an affair, because plane of simple duty priority demands, as he was the boss, because he had balls of steel (he had been at war apparently with Parker, so tough guy presumably), or because he was crazy, with this last not computing well when understanding the character.

So either of the first three, or the three at a time.

I always loved Dallas character. I actually like his character more than Lambert's, and that's something because Lambert's acting was one of a kind in that movie. His appearance was also very cool, as never again, or at least that I know, was again seen with that beard and a bit long hair.

Dallas went down like a boss. I would have never, ever entered those vents knowing only I'm against a something very big (Parker briefing after Brett's death), and that is hostile..., and also the uncertain of the flamethrower having some effect on it.

Plan was nuts anyway. Expeting to push that thing with flames up to the nearest air lock...

The_Foxcatcher

Quote from: YourHighnessMustafu__ on Sep 15, 2024, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Sep 11, 2024, 11:15:04 AM;D You would need big balls to go monster hunting in those air ducts!
I always wanted to know whether he did it to protect Ripley, as they had an affair, because plane of simple duty priority demands, as he was the boss, because he had balls of steel (he had been at war apparently with Parker, so tough guy presumably), or because he was crazy, with this last not computing well when understanding the character.

So either of the first three, or the three at a time.

I always loved Dallas character. I actually like his character more than Lambert's, and that's something because Lambert's acting was one of a kind in that movie. His appearance was also very cool, as never again, or at least that I know, was again seen with that beard and a bit long hair.

Dallas went down like a boss. I would have never, ever entered those vents knowing only I'm against a something very big (Parker briefing after Brett's death), and that is hostile..., and also the uncertain of the flamethrower having some effect on it.

Plan was nuts anyway. Expeting to push that thing with flames up to the nearest air lock...

I still remember when I watched the movie for the first time, and when Dallas died, I almost felt a strong sense of shock and disbelief - 'WTF!' Because I had related to him as the main protagonist. The movie had portrayed Ripley's character as recessive from the beginning, which was a nice touch, and hence, Dallas' death came as a shock.

 

dnicholson277

I always wonder if it was their plan to surprise people by killing an actor off who wasnt unknown or did they only hire him for a smaller period to film and did it out of necessity?

SM

Quote from: YourHighnessMustafu__ on Sep 15, 2024, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Sep 11, 2024, 11:15:04 AM;D You would need big balls to go monster hunting in those air ducts!
I always wanted to know whether he did it to protect Ripley, as they had an affair, because plane of simple duty priority demands, as he was the boss, because he had balls of steel (he had been at war apparently with Parker, so tough guy presumably), or because he was crazy, with this last not computing well when understanding the character.

So either of the first three, or the three at a time.

I always loved Dallas character. I actually like his character more than Lambert's, and that's something because Lambert's acting was one of a kind in that movie. His appearance was also very cool, as never again, or at least that I know, was again seen with that beard and a bit long hair.

Dallas went down like a boss. I would have never, ever entered those vents knowing only I'm against a something very big (Parker briefing after Brett's death), and that is hostile..., and also the uncertain of the flamethrower having some effect on it.

Plan was nuts anyway. Expeting to push that thing with flames up to the nearest air lock...

They didn't have affairs. It was just casual sex. Lambert was shagging Dallas according to Cartwright.

Dallas went into the airduct as an act of contrition. He berated Ripley for not letting them in - it was effectively his fault they were in this mess.

Originally he was more of a coward ordering Parker into the pipe with the offer of full shares. When Parker refused Ripley volunteered. Then Ash tried to talk Dallas into letting Ripley go.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

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Quote from: SM on Sep 15, 2024, 10:34:15 PMOriginally he was more of a coward ordering Parker into the pipe with the offer of full shares. When Parker refused Ripley volunteered.

Was that ever filmed, or is that just from a draft?

That defo doesn't fit with the Dallas we see in the movie. Not to my mind anyway.

razeak

Contrition and leadership

SM

Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2024, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 15, 2024, 10:34:15 PMOriginally he was more of a coward ordering Parker into the pipe with the offer of full shares. When Parker refused Ripley volunteered.

Was that ever filmed, or is that just from a draft?

That defo doesn't fit with the Dallas we see in the movie. Not to my mind anyway.

Looking at Terry Rawlings script with big crosses through the food locker scene and Ash prepping Dallas (and Dallas giving Ash the Mother key) along with no corresponding slate numbers, I'd say not.

Jonesy1974

Quote from: SM on Sep 15, 2024, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: YourHighnessMustafu__ on Sep 15, 2024, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Sep 11, 2024, 11:15:04 AM;D You would need big balls to go monster hunting in those air ducts!
I always wanted to know whether he did it to protect Ripley, as they had an affair, because plane of simple duty priority demands, as he was the boss, because he had balls of steel (he had been at war apparently with Parker, so tough guy presumably), or because he was crazy, with this last not computing well when understanding the character.

So either of the first three, or the three at a time.

I always loved Dallas character. I actually like his character more than Lambert's, and that's something because Lambert's acting was one of a kind in that movie. His appearance was also very cool, as never again, or at least that I know, was again seen with that beard and a bit long hair.

Dallas went down like a boss. I would have never, ever entered those vents knowing only I'm against a something very big (Parker briefing after Brett's death), and that is hostile..., and also the uncertain of the flamethrower having some effect on it.

Plan was nuts anyway. Expeting to push that thing with flames up to the nearest air lock...

They didn't have affairs. It was just casual sex. Lambert was shagging Dallas according to Cartwright.

Dallas went into the airduct as an act of contrition. He berated Ripley for not letting them in - it was effectively his fault they were in this mess.

Originally he was more of a coward ordering Parker into the pipe with the offer of full shares. When Parker refused Ripley volunteered. Then Ash tried to talk Dallas into letting Ripley go.

Yeah He's trying to make up for his mistake by taking responsibility rather than putting a crew member at risk once again.

I'm glad they didn't take that original route with his character.

Slutty Badger

Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2024, 10:35:53 PMWas that ever filmed, or is that just from a draft?

That defo doesn't fit with the Dallas we see in the movie. Not to my mind anyway.

The exchange appears in the novelization.

SiL

"What are my chances?" doesn't, for obvious reasons.

TliciousX

New here, I can already tell there are (at least) 2 types of Alien fans.  You're a technical, you're annoyed when the math doesn't add up.  I'm a romantic, I care more about the overall themes and motifs. 

So, my romantic side wants to tell you to 'just roll with it' on this particular subject.

But... I also appreciate that you're coming at the material from a different angle.  An angle that I can totally value and use to increase my appreciation of the source material.

So... while I personally 'roll with it', I also agree on a technical level that the Nostromo detonation absolutely would have wiped out all trace of the 1979 xeno.

Which makes a better story? The thing I personally appreciate most about the Alienverse is that different people can do different things with it.       

SiL

Welcome @TliciousX !

Don't forget people can be romantic for the ending of the original film and feel like what Romulus does to undo that ending is unnecessary and borderline insulting.

We're here for the vibes - but sometimes the vibes are off.

Slutty Badger

Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2024, 09:16:01 AMWelcome @TliciousX !

Don't forget people can be romantic for the ending of the original film and feel like what Romulus does to undo that ending is unnecessary and borderline insulting.

*Raises paw*

BlueMarsalis79

Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2024, 09:16:01 AMDon't forget people can be romantic for the ending of the original film and feel like what Romulus does to undo that ending is unnecessary and borderline insulting.

To me, it retconned (in a certain sense) the ending of Alien into what people think Alien³ says, pretty nihilistic that Ripley never won.

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