Firstly, i was born in 2000 and fell in love with A/P franchises after watching AVP 2004 so i consider myself as relatively young fan. And i think there're some advantages of being a new one in this universe.
The biggest advantage into my opinion is ABSENT OF PRE-SET EXPECTATIONS. I was luckily enough to avoid being dissapointed by such films as Alien 3, Resurrection, AVP, AVPR and Prometheus and was able to see it with FRESH EYE. I mean, if i had been born for instance in 1970 and seen Aliens i would be outraged about Hicks and Newt death and story scale becoming not bigger but smaller in third movie . I would be outraged by comedic tone and Newborn of Resurrection. I had no idea of what AVP is, didn't know that it must be set in future and in space before watching 2004 movie and enjoyed it and still do. AVPR ? Well, i don't know if my thoughts about it would change if i had been older. Nevermind. I was not excited about that Alien prequel directed by almighty Ridley Scott and found out about it by accident (the same with Predators by the way). My father just showed me image of Milburn and that penis-like thing coming through his throat and told me "Oh, look. It's Alien prequel. Well, we're gonna see it when it comes out". So i was not pissed off about all these uneven story elements and "scientist's" stupidity.
But, i was dissapointed after watching Covenant in cinema for the first time. Why? Because i had PRE-SET EXPECTATIONS about it. Thanks to the trailers and reports i was thinking that it gonna be straight horror movie like Alien and expecting to be scared as hell. But i was not. I heard some people saying that Neomorph birth scene was true horror but i personally saw it as gore for the sake of gore. And I was not ready for all that phylosophical stuff that was thrown at me although i started to admire it later.
What other advantages of being relatively young fan can you think about ?
Not sitting through the last 20+ years of online fandom.
You might live long enough to see another regular alien film.
33 years old here, born in 1985.
Maybe to you, children of the XXIth century, these movies have a real vintage look to them? I'd be really curious to know your perception of that. Do you approach those as popcorn experiences or as pieces of history?
I'd be really interested to know how young fans discover the franchise, and their viewing order, too.
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 12:10:29 AM
Not sitting through the last 20+ years of online fandom.
Didn't it make you the SM you are today though?
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 15, 2019, 12:25:21 AM
Do you approach those as popcorn experiences or as pieces of history?
Kinda mix of both.
I don't think age really makes that much of a difference. Someone who is 40 could be introduced to the series tomorrow, and could have the same reaction as someone who is 16.
If talking about viewing order i remenber that i watched AVP first. Then i saw Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Resurrection, Predator, Predator 2 and Requiem in some chaotic order. I cannot remember what i watched earlier - Predators or Prometheus. And after that Covenant and The Predator obviously.
Somewhere out there is a youngster who saw AvPR first.
Kudos if they stuck with it.
Cue the "old man movie" stuff.
But seriously, people who saw the first movie in theaters were puking and fleeing in terror. Modern audiences are much more desensitized. My parents are nearing their 60's, and they won't watch violent or scary films. Age can impact perception.
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 12:43:03 AM
Kudos if they stuck with it.
If they did, they're probably wondering where all the egg-barfing is.
And why such a silly and superficial film evolved in a series that is way too pretentious for its own good.
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 01:02:44 AM
And why such a silly and superficial film evolved in a series that is way too pretentious for its own good.
Surely you don't mean alien 79?
All that sexual subtext? No thanks! I just want monsters hitting each other. That one in Antarctica had the right idea.
I guess the benefit to being a young fan is seeing everything that most of the older fans don't like, and forming an unbiased opinion before being exposed to the fandom.
It also helps to be eighteen with the mind of an older person.
And not giving a damn about . . . whatever the hell my age is supposed to be into.
This is why I get along with Huggs: exhibit A.
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 01:02:44 AM
And why such a silly and superficial film evolved in a series that is way too pretentious for its own good.
In due time, you'll be dealing with those people here as well.
Can't wait.
Heck I watched AVP at 10 years old and was still disappointed despite not being a fan and not having watched the other movies in years, I remember thinking the creatures didn't look as good as I remembered, ADI coudn't even fool my 10 year old self, they never stood a chance. I suppose since there was a goddamn versus on title I was expecting more action and I thought the human-pred teamup was cringe.
I watched the alien movies a few years earlier in a few days and I hated the Newborn. As long as you watch it on the order, most will probably feel something got weird with Resurrection.
The best advantage is for those who aren't fans, as they won't be disappointed and the series don't hold any value to them. I feel like the golden age of the franchises has passed, the new fans will arrive on the franchise's current degraded state. There will never be movies or games as good as those that came before.
It's pretty sad that younger fans have the "gift" of emotional detachment.
Somebody's still gotta be there to draw the chalk outline around the franchise. I don't want to smell neil's alien 5 when the day comes.
That's what rabbits are for.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 15, 2019, 01:30:18 AM
There will never be movies or games as good as those that came before.
Isolation? TCF?
The negativity's unwarranted.
Spoiler
Or maybe I'm just optimistic because I'm 21 and there's plenty in the pipe to keep me going until another good Alien film.
So, the Old One, your pseudonym is pretty much a liiiiiie. :P
For now.
The best part about being a young fan is that all y'all missed David Shipley over at PlanetAvP.com.
The worst part is y'all missed the fan community over at PlanetAvP.com.
Oh, that Shipley.
Who?
David Shipley.
"Me, I'd just rape." - David Shipley, circa ... 2004?5?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 15, 2019, 06:13:50 AM
David Shipley.
"Me, I'd just rape." - David Shipley, circa ... 2004?5?
I recognized the name David Shipley but I must have taken a break from the online fandom before that happened.
Uh... yikes.
Surely there was some context that would justify such a remark.
A photo of a passed-out girl at what looked like a frat party. It was something about how other guys would draw dicks or take photos of a passed out chick, while he'd just rape.
On the front page of PlanetAvP.
Which he was getting paid to run by GameSpy.
For everyone to see.
Site closed not long after that.
Jesus.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 15, 2019, 06:30:38 AM
A photo of a passed-out girl at what looked like a frat party. It was something about how other guys would draw dicks or take photos of a passed out chick, while he'd just rape.
On the front page of PlanetAvP.
Which he was getting paid to run by GameSpy.
For everyone to see.
Site closed not long after that.
Holy shit.
But the community was awesome!
f**king Dave Shipley. I never liked him or PAvP. I was an AvP News boy.
Traitor! PAvP was to the community then what AvPG is now.
I remember finding PlanetAVP, they wrote a lot of stuff about avp2, back then I didn't even knew what online forums were, so I just read their articles. Months before AVPR came out they stopped updating the news about it, so I moved to see stuff here.
2004-2007 was the downturn of the site. I looked on the Wayback Machine and my last real activity there was around 2005-2006ish. After that I migrated here.
Ah, them days is gone.
Them days is loooong gone.
-Windebieste.
Those daaays are paaaased now, and in the paaaast they will remaiiiin...
Wow, now that's quite a story.
I'm 22 and I watched the films in order. Alien to A:R, Predator , Predator 2, and then the AvPs. Still thought the Newborn was the worst design ever, I do enjoy both AVPs, especially the first one even though I know it's not a masterpiece to say the least. That was all around 2009. My opinions on some of the movies changed over time, but still, since the first time I watched Alien, I was hooked. A great part of it is due to the expanded universe, all that media that furthered my immersion. I remember reading the wiki and xenopedia articles, the Anchorpoint essays as well were just brilliant.
First, I was fascinated by the biology of the creature more than anything else, maybe I still am, and I remember having such fond memories of reading the Earth war trilogy when I was frequently ill with the flue. This obsession has been growing more and more over the years and it is somehow always comforting to me. All the movies, figures, games, comic books, novels, they are my safe space where I can be calm and at peace, yet make me thrilled with every new release.
This franchise is definitely a big part of my life and my greatest hobby if I can call it that. I've learned so much about so many things thanks to a usually indirect involvement with the Alien/Predator franchise that I wouldn't have known otherwise.
I, as a young fan find it thrilling to have 40 years worth of awesome Sci Fi history at my fingertips. I'm grateful, enjoying most of the media coming out and hoping the future of the franchise is bright.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 15, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
There will never be movies or games as good as those that came before.
It's quite depressive. I prefer to be more optimistic.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 15, 2019, 09:36:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE
I'm interested what happens if say to people that you still haven't watched any Star Wars movie? Because that exactly what i haven't done.
HERETIC.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2019, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 15, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
There will never be movies or games as good as those that came before.
It's quite depressive. I prefer to be more optimistic.
It's realistic, there can be good stuff, just not
as good the old ones. We can still get 7-8/10 things, just never another on pair with ALIEN, PREDATOR or AVP2(2001).
I have to disagree and back up Old One. Isolation and Cold Forge are proof we can get just as good as classics.
Isolation came pretty close for me. I can give it a 9-9,5/10. And that was like 5 years ago. Not much since then. Overall I liked Cold Forge as well as some other recent novels, but I wouldn't give them same grade.
I wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
Then we would just need someone large-and-in-charge who understands the properties, respects the material, respects the audience, can reign in creators from perverting the lore, and can lay out a plan.
Like Kevin Feige does over there at Marvel.
I think it's safe to call Independence Day officially dead. I don't think I ever heard a single positive thing said about resurgence . And the future depended upon its reception as I recall .
Spoiler
I was being nice. I don't even like the original Independence Day, but I know some people here do.
I only watched the alien movies on Amazon Prime and I still think only the first two were any good. The prequels, sequels and crossovers were all bad.
Hopefully we will hear something official this year from Disney. I'd just like to know one way or another, what kind of future these franchises still have , or not.
Taste absence.
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 15, 2019, 06:52:00 PM
I only watched the alien movies on Amazon Prime and I still think only the first two were any good. The prequels, sequels and crossovers were all bad.
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 15, 2019, 06:51:01 PM
I only watched the alien movies on Amazon Prime and I still think only the first two were any good. The prequels, sequels and crossovers were all bad.
;D
The user desires a Newt heroine.
:laugh:
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 07:36:05 PM
The user desires a Newt heroine.
:laugh:
Could we settle for nudity and heroin?
QuoteI wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
You could call the new studio 'Fox'...
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 08:30:00 PM
QuoteI wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
You could call the new studio 'Fox'...
Will treat this seriously...
Nah, defeats the purpose. Not focused enough. It still suggests the entire Fox library. Whatever this sci-fi studio would be called, you start making good movies, like Marvel Studios, the public might start coming out for the brand, anything by that studio, not just the individual franchise, because they're expecting a certain level of good quality.
Like I hear horror fans saying they're going to check out "the next Blumhouse film".
And they need to hire a person like this:
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/kevin_feige.png)
They need to haul Laddie out of retirement.
Hey Old One! Why did you delete your "I agree with VM" reply? I was going to print that out and frame it! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
Hey Old One! Why did you delete your "I agree with VM" reply? I was going to print that out and frame it! ;D
That's got to be a first for you two. It's almost adorable.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
Hey Old One! Why did you delete your "I agree with VM" reply? I was going to print that out and frame it! ;D
That's got to be a first for you two. It's almost adorable.
More adorable than baby baron in a xeno onesie?
She agreed with VM? ???
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 15, 2019, 11:35:55 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
Hey Old One! Why did you delete your "I agree with VM" reply? I was going to print that out and frame it! ;D
That's got to be a first for you two. It's almost adorable.
More adorable than baby baron in a xeno onesie?
Do you know me? You know what I think is adorable, man.
Baron isn't one of those things. Not after everything in the Recess thread. ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 15, 2019, 11:40:08 PM
She agreed with VM? ???
You should have seen it!
It was so...
beautiful!(https://media.giphy.com/media/LSPXhD41zs5Ko/giphy.gif)
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 15, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
Hey Old One! Why did you delete your "I agree with VM" reply? I was going to print that out and frame it! ;D
That's got to be a first for you two. It's almost adorable.
You're always most proud of your first!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 08:30:00 PM
QuoteI wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
You could call the new studio 'Fox'...
Will treat this seriously...
Nah, defeats the purpose. Not focused enough. It still suggests the entire Fox library. Whatever this sci-fi studio would be called, you start making good movies, like Marvel Studios, the public might start coming out for the brand, anything by that studio, not just the individual franchise, because they're expecting a certain level of good quality.
Like I hear horror fans saying they're going to check out "the next Blumhouse film".
And they need to hire a person like this:
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/kevin_feige.png)
I agree VM.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 12:04:26 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 08:30:00 PM
QuoteI wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
You could call the new studio 'Fox'...
Will treat this seriously...
Nah, defeats the purpose. Not focused enough. It still suggests the entire Fox library. Whatever this sci-fi studio would be called, you start making good movies, like Marvel Studios, the public might start coming out for the brand, anything by that studio, not just the individual franchise, because they're expecting a certain level of good quality.
Like I hear horror fans saying they're going to check out "the next Blumhouse film".
And they need to hire a person like this:
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/kevin_feige.png)
I agree VM.
;D
See all??
(https://i.gifer.com/SlbU.gif)
As much as the Shipley story is disgusting, the following exchange in the previous pages is an amazing moment of involuntary dark comedy:
- He said 'I'd just rape'.
- Surely there was some context that would justify such a remark.
- A photo of a passed-out girl at a frat party.
Like, Local was just looking for some logical explanation to better understand the situation, with the innocent hope it wouldn't be so horrible, and BAM the explanation was somehow a thousand times worse than the line itself. Great timing, great delivery.
Who said anything about involuntary ;D
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/11/58/26/115826d030fd6628682eb53741d6fb8d.gif)
Jesus. You SiL are an artist.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2019, 08:45:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2019, 08:30:00 PM
QuoteI wish Disney would create a separate studio for their soon to be obtained sci-fi franchises. Planet of the Apes. Alien. Predator. Avatar. Independence Day.
You could call the new studio 'Fox'...
Will treat this seriously...
Nah, defeats the purpose. Not focused enough. It still suggests the entire Fox library. Whatever this sci-fi studio would be called, you start making good movies, like Marvel Studios, the public might start coming out for the brand, anything by that studio, not just the individual franchise, because they're expecting a certain level of good quality.
Like I hear horror fans saying they're going to check out "the next Blumhouse film".
And they need to hire a person like this:
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/kevin_feige.png)
It should suggest the entire Fox library. The Fox logo and anthem are an asset that Disney should exploit.
If it were up to me I'd be putting the Fox logo back on all the Star Wars movies.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2018, 10:22:35 AM
I wish you'd make some calls and get them to tack the Fox fanfare on to the new Star Wars movies.
I did.
I also want the retro-style green block letters for Lucasfilm instead of that fancy new-fangled logo of theirs.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 15, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2019, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 15, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
There will never be movies or games as good as those that came before.
It's quite depressive. I prefer to be more optimistic.
It's realistic, there can be good stuff, just not as good the old ones. We can still get 7-8/10 things, just never another on pair with ALIEN, PREDATOR or AVP2(2001).
Why not? Have talented people ran out? Or what? It's kinda unjusticied for anything that will come out in future. If you pre-set yourself in that way you won't be able to be amazed and excited anymore. And i think that people often overrated old movies, see them as unbeatable masterpieces and in generall consider everything what left in the past as better then what we have right now.
Also if it ::) is named as realistic POV i prefer to stay with my "unrealistic" POV and continue to hope.
QuoteWhy not? Have talented people ran out?
No, but the original films had the advantage of being something we'd never seen before.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2019, 05:26:08 PM
Why not? Have talented people ran out?
Its not just about talent. Talent people can have bad ideas that are not suited for a specific thing.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2019, 05:26:08 PM
Or what? It's kinda unjusticied for anything that will come out in future.
They are free to prove me wrong.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2019, 05:26:08 PM
If you pre-set yourself in that way you won't be able to be amazed and excited anymore.
I can enjoy and look for 7-8/10 stuff. It can still be good. Hell I enjoyed playing ACM, I just don't think the ones on the past will be surpassed.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2019, 05:26:08 PM
Also if it ::) is named as realistic POV i prefer to stay with my "unrealistic" POV and continue to hope.
No problem.
Well having grown up with parents that let me watch these movies all my life, I can say that I don't really see age as hindering anything. It can make a viewpoint more different than most. Also about the whole thing with why can't anything be better than the original, to me it's a mixed bag. It really depends where they take the franchise, some movies are better than their originals, and others are not all that great, it's also a matter of opinion, and the fact that you don't know what an Alien or Predator are until that first movie comes out, but some people also don't see the first movie first like they should and watch maybe the third movie instead and will love it more, it really just depends on a variety of things.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 09:13:38 PM
I can enjoy and look for 7-8/10 stuff. It can still be good. Hell I enjoyed playing ACM, I just don't think the ones on the past will be surpassed.
It's sort of an unwinnable situation, for the reason SM pointed out - 'Alien' (and to a degree, 'Aliens') had the advantage of being something no one had ever seen before, which automatically gave it a leg up. For something to "surpass" the originals, it would have an easier time forging its own identity with something completely unrelated -- and in doing so, the originals are still "unsurpassed" because the new work is unrelated.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 17, 2019, 12:30:30 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 09:13:38 PM
I can enjoy and look for 7-8/10 stuff. It can still be good. Hell I enjoyed playing ACM, I just don't think the ones on the past will be surpassed.
It's sort of an unwinnable situation, for the reason SM pointed out - 'Alien' (and to a degree, 'Aliens') had the advantage of being something no one had ever seen before, which automatically gave it a leg up. For something to "surpass" the originals, it would have an easier time forging its own identity with something completely unrelated -- and in doing so, the originals are still "unsurpassed" because the new work is unrelated.
I suppose this is all subjective. I evaluate these movies in characters/acting, history development/plot and creatures design/behavior. I give a grade for each aspect, then take the average. The originals got higher grades, on the sequels there is always one aspect that gets a lower grade thus the average is lower than the originals. If a new movie get everything right it can get a high grade too.
For me its not about being the first one, like avp2 is the best game, it wasn't the first, it copied a lot from AVP Classic, but on the aspects I use to evaluate a game it ended up with the biggest grade, so its the best.
Despite how old I actually get, SM makes me feel like a teenager all the time when it comes to fandom. lol. I regret that I missed out on the "golden age", so to speak, of the EU. And I will forever hate that I didn't get to experience Alien War. But that said, I do think it's still been a good time to be an Alien fan.
All that older material is there and while we're not getting as much content being cranked out as frequently in the 90s, we're still getting a book or a comic series a year. It's been fairly constant in terms of movie and game releases too. In terms of coming in as a younger fan, I think that's cool. You've got the older backlog to get through and you've got the new stuff to look forward to.
It is great to be a young fan, I may live yet to see another through and through good Alien Film, or potentially a TV Series.
QuoteDespite how old I actually get, SM makes me feel like a teenager all the time when it comes to fandom. lol.
My lawn. Get off of it.