Is the deacon just a straight up Neomorph?

Started by bobby brown, Apr 03, 2021, 08:45:24 AM

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bobby brown

As the title says, is the Deacon perhaps just a Neomorph? sure it was spawned via a more convoluted process through an engineer,
but still, simply a creature spawned by the black goo.

I Always got the vibe that Neomorph-type creatures are very spontaneously conceived and are therefore highly mutatable. Like they often might vary in appearance and features unlike the regular xenomorph (host variety disregarded)

Like how the first Neomorph that came through the back, had those dorsal spikes which the later one lacked (at the time being).

What are your thoughts?

BigDaddyJohn

It surely resembles one. Bigger at birth, most likely because of the host. The color difference I do not see why, possibly because of the host too. We do not know if there is a "norm" for how should look a neomorph though, considering we saw only 3 specimens.

SM

No.

BlueMarsalis79

Yes and no honestly.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 15, 2021, 06:01:44 AM
It's interesting because for the Neomorph although the Pods act like Eggs, the Motes act as the Facehugger, they actually disappear into the host (although they may also die inside after serving their function) as depositing the mutagen.

In this way the Trilobite's closer to a Facehugger functionally using a human being's ovum with sperm as the Egg.

But it makes me wonder if Plagiarus Preapotens, and the Plagiarus Linesteres, exist basically as forms of The Pathogen itself programmed to perform a specific purpose.

Meaning that the Motes probably deposit "Plagiarus X" let's say.

And that the Trilobites probably deposit "Plagiarus O" for example.

In the way this applies to the main Alien species with the three types of Egg and Facehugger we now know of.

The Pathogen causes death, either by cellular breakdown, or by creating a hybrid form, that always develop identifiably similar features.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 02, 2021, 01:28:34 AM
QuoteThe Pathogen's internally consistent with obvious rules, within the films themselves, mainly Alien Covenant though I believe.

It does not result in the biomechanical for a start in fact the opposite. But with other things present recognisable in the titular Alien. Simplest organisms logically appear to change the fastest like Demodex folliculorum or Demodex brevis most often visible in the eye or worms becoming Hammerpedes.

As stated it's designed to clean a planet of all non-botanical life. To achieve this it ultimately either kills you outright or creates a hybrid form, the former we see with the Engineers on Planet 4 and with the Engineers on LV-223, the other we see with what happened to Doctor Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield and the exploding head. (Becoming unstable hybrid forms themselves with high aggression, bulbous, bloated, with further distending arms and legs, pale skin and a overall virulent infected appearance- hence Prometheus the film mentioning Ebola in the story multiple times for a real life comparison) And afterwards it spawns Neomorphs from Motes and Pods. (hybrid forms) I do not think it's as complex as appearances suggest.

"The Deacon" (In essence a Neomorph itself in all but origin) only exists because by David's own admission the Pathogen reacts to human sexual organs in an alternate way, hence he uses Doctor Elizabeth Shaw's to fashion the Alien, and bring an equally worthy artificial intelligence in his eyes into existence.

Because in terms of function it's all in essence identical:

A Pathogen infected sperm and ovum/Pod/Egg
Trilobite/Mote/Facehugger
Deacon/Neomorph/Alien

So you can say although not identical in appearance they do come from the one family tree if you like, and a Deacon's still closer to it's Neomorph kin than a Plagiarus Linesteres Praetomorph, and far from a traditional Plagiarus Preapotens Alien.

Immortan Jonesy

The trilobite made the Deacon life cycle eerily similar to the lifecycles of Praetomorph and Alien though, which may or may not involve a mutagenic substance to create a Deacon embryo. But yeah, they are physically close to Neomorphs: same or similar genotype, but different phenotype.

The Necronoir

The deacon was the result of such a convoluted (and improbable) series of infections and impregnations that it's hard to directly equate it to anything else we've seen. Based on what we saw in David's laboratory, the accelerant throws out all sorts of aberrations, albeit with some underlying, recurrent traits (spider-like infectors, bodily gestation, elongated heads and distended jaws etc).

By the time the crew of the Covenant touch down it seems to have settled into a more stable and predictable lifecycle, involving the spore pods and the neomorph. Even so, they still seemed mindlessly savage to the point that it's difficult to imagine them having a fully closed lifecycle like the xenomorphs.

They're definitely part of the same tendencies in the accelerant: rabid, highly-unstable early phases that gradually coalesce into something more and more resembling the xenomorph we all know so well (as perhaps an inevitable end-point of that cycle), but the circumstances that gave rise to each were too different to say that they are directly related.

BlueMarsalis79

I do not get the logic behind calling it accelerant, it is accelerated but it does not just accelerate what already exists, it modifies, can not stand that name.

David Weyland

In short- No, on the basis of what has been presented so far in the prequels, The Deacon is IMO a closer relation to the Protomorph/Xenos than the Neomorph.

Why? Coz the impregnators contain elements of Humanity
The spores of the neomorph do not.
David didn't create the spores, they were a 'happy' accident

BlueMarsalis79

Not accidental at all.

Not the creation of David? Yes.

Not the intended default outcome? No.

David Weyland

A happy accident in the pursuit of a plan

BlueMarsalis79

It's interesting that David had the intention upon arrival of creating hence destroying the Engineers immediately when although he observed all others stages he never actually witnessed the Deacon itself.

oduodu

no. similar in some ways.

City Hunter Yautja

The Deacon was originally part of the Engineer's religion. You see one enthroned on the wall mural in the room with massive Head and vases/ canisters of Black Goo. So no its not Neomorph, it has a more sacred purpose to the Engineers, "it must be something we haven't seen yet." (Biahop, Aliens)

The Necronoir

Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 06:48:01 AM
The Deacon was originally part of the Engineer's religion. You see one enthroned on the wall mural in the room with massive Head and vases/ canisters of Black Goo. So no its not Neomorph, it has a more sacred purpose to the Engineers, "it must be something we haven't seen yet." (Biahop, Aliens)

I don't know about religion, so much. It may very well just be a way of 'advertising' what the end result of that particular substance and its evolution is, like putting a huge Mickey Mouse mural on the side of a Disney store. It was right there in the ampule room, after all.

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: The Necronoir on Jul 08, 2021, 03:20:19 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 06:48:01 AM
The Deacon was originally part of the Engineer's religion. You see one enthroned on the wall mural in the room with massive Head and vases/ canisters of Black Goo. So no its not Neomorph, it has a more sacred purpose to the Engineers, "it must be something we haven't seen yet." (Biahop, Aliens)

I don't know about religion, so much. It may very well just be a way of 'advertising' what the end result of that particular substance and its evolution is, like putting a huge Mickey Mouse mural on the side of a Disney store. It was right there in the ampule room, after all.

:laugh:


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