Check out this brand new scan from the French edition of Premier magazine.
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Nice, great lighting.
Any translators out here?
awesome!
There's this one too but in better quality.
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Can't help thinking it looks like a car advert...
If their globe-things that cover their head aren't there, I wonder if they retract back a la CG quickery?
David is such a dreamboat.
Just perfect. Michael Fassbender is f**king class/
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If their globe-things that cover their head aren't there, I wonder if they retract back a la CG quickery?
Hope not.
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 16, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
If their globe-things that cover their head aren't there, I wonder if they retract back a la CG quickery?
Too fancy.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 16, 2011, 01:47:28 AM
Any translators out here?
Not really, i only studied french for <2 years..10 years ago and translating it to french to german and then back to english doesn't make it easier but i'll give it a try. Hard to read as well but afaik it's mainly general speaking:
"He is working on a project that was announced as a prequel to Alien. Informations that were neither denied nor confirmed by screenwriter Damon Lindelof, it contains the same DNA as the original Alien movie as well as a new mythology. The studio announced that it is about a couple of scientists on their journey to the universe and the origin of mankind, an ambitious and cryptic science fiction Hollywood story that is questioning metaphysics. No new proposal to Sir Ridley Scott that already had his debut with "Blade Runer" 30 years ago. The expectations are high and the full cast is not revealed yet."
greetings
Panda
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 16, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 16, 2011, 01:47:28 AM
Any translators out here?
Not really, i only studied french for <2 years..10 years ago and translating it to french to german and then back to english doesn't make it easier but i'll give it a try. Hard to read as well but afaik it's mainly general speaking:
"He is working on a project that was announced as a prequel to Alien. Informations that were neither denied nor confirmed by screenwriter Damon Lindelof, it contains the same DNA as the original Alien movie as well as a new mythology. The studio announced that it is about a couple of scientists on their journey to the universe and the origin of mankind, an ambitious and cryptic science fiction Hollywood story that is questioning metaphysics. No new proposal to Sir Ridley Scott that already had his debut with "Blade Runer" 30 years ago. The expectations are high and the full cast is not revealed yet."
greetings
Panda
Thanks!
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How could you miss the Alien head in the middle? :D
Most of the released pics in magazines look ridiculously airbrushed to me. I hope this is just cheesiness and not some consequence of the 3D cameras.
I'm french. Give me time I'm not at home right now.
Edit: Nothing special to translate. Alien or not Alien ?. That's all. No major news.
diggin' the new image
He's (David) is probably thinking "Holy shit, it's Ridley Scott!"
I found this one over at Alien experience, it seems to show more of the detail buried in the darkness
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I found this one over at Alien experience, it seems to show more of the detail buried in the darkness
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Is that a damn Space Jockey body? :o
No it's a melon...an evil one.
Of course it is! ;)
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 16, 2011, 12:14:45 PMNo it's a melon...an evil one.
Of course it is! ;)
Just checked the main page, seems like that is old news to everyone but me. I had only seen a cropped version of that picture before. :laugh:
The same picture is in the latest issue of Empire magazine with a one page article. I'll write it up for you guys when I can be arsed :P
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I found this one over at Alien experience, it seems to show more of the detail buried in the darkness
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Yeah, I posted this on one of their forums, just a few simple enhancements really, some did a better job than me but its ok
Quote from: RoaryUK on Dec 16, 2011, 02:26:01 PM
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I found this one over at Alien experience, it seems to show more of the detail buried in the darkness
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Yeah, I posted this on one of their forums, just a few simple enhancements really, some did a better job than me but its ok
Okay, well, I suppose as the end of the day I'm just interested in seeing more of the structure of the thing rather than anything else specific, and that one seems to show the most
This is my first ever post and I apologise if this subject is in the wrong thread. I am a massive fan of the original Alien movie and I'm very excited that Ridley Scott has returned to make a prequel in the form of Prometheus, but I'm a little worried that there will be some major discrepancies which will effect the original Alien movie and will also hopefully render all the other spin off xenomorph franchise movies obselete. My first issue is when Dallas enters the derelict and first sees the SJ that he states it appears to be fossilised, I realise through the forum discusions that this could be a biomechanical suit, but I really enjoyed the idea that the derelict had been there for 100s of thousands of years and existing in it's cargo was a deadly dormant species laying in waiting for it's next victim left there by the SJ. I only say this because when Kane entered the egg chamber there was what appeared to be a laser warning system in place which would imply to me that a superior intellegent race to that of the alien had concealed the eggs in the hold. The difficulty I have is that Prometheus is set only decades before the original Alien movie and there appears to be no indication that the xenomorph creature existed and that the SJ is very much alive. Although this maybe a good thing? If the SJ had created the Alien in this time frame, none of the terrible AVP movies would be relevant, that in itself would be a masterstroke by mr RS.
I have another three or four issues I would like to discuss about the Prometheus plot hopefully to help alleviate my worries and to get me through the next few months of anticipation.
Laters Swanajax. :)
I've requested a hq copy from Fox.
Quote from: Swanajax on Dec 16, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
This is my first ever post and I apologise if this subject is in the wrong thread. I am a massive fan of the original Alien movie and I'm very excited that Ridley Scott has returned to make a prequel in the form of Prometheus, but I'm a little worried that there will be some major discrepancies which will effect the original Alien movie and will also hopefully render all the other spin off xenomorph franchise movies obselete. My first issue is when Dallas enters the derelict and first sees the SJ that he states it appears to be fossilised, I realise through the forum discusions that this could be a biomechanical suit, but I really enjoyed the idea that the derelict had been there for 100s of thousands of years and existing in it's cargo was a deadly dormant species laying in waiting for it's next victim left there by the SJ. I only say this because when Kane entered the egg chamber there was what appeared to be a laser warning system in place which would imply to me that a superior intellegent race to that of the alien had concealed the eggs in the hold. The difficulty I have is that Prometheus is set only decades before the original Alien movie and there appears to be no indication that the xenomorph creature existed and that the SJ is very much alive. Although this maybe a good thing? If the SJ had created the Alien in this time frame, none of the terrible AVP movies would be relevant, that in itself would be a masterstroke by mr RS.
I have another three or four issues I would like to discuss about the Prometheus plot hopefully to help alleviate my worries and to get me through the next few months of anticipation.
Laters Swanajax. :)
Hello and welcome,
The time descrepancy has been something talked about on a lot of different forums. A couple opinions are:
1) The atmosphere--being described as primordial--caused the premature fossilization of mr space jockey.
2) Dallas didn't really understand what he was looking at an maybe thats the way the space jockey looks after they die.
3) There will be some wormhole/time travel aspect in Prometheus to explaine the time issue. This probably is the least desirable possibilty by most people, but some Prometheus synopsis of questionable origin mention the crew travelling through a wormhole and going back in time.
There is another possibility: That we are not seeing the same SJ and derelict at all, but something from the same race.
However, fossilisation never made sense, ossification perhaps. But Dallas wasn't the science officer so his interpretation need not carry any weight.
I'm personally not that keen on time travel and wormholes as that still seems a little far fetched for the Alien universe, but being a fan of the original film only, I'm confident that whatever story Ridley gives us it will be the best expansion of A L I E N in 32 years. I'm hoping for a mature story, one that puts to shame the downward slope into juvenile shlock of the 'franchise.' As long as it does that I can give it a lot of leeway in the way things like long assumed ideas about the SJ are handled.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Dec 16, 2011, 01:37:39 AM
Check out this brand new scan from the French edition of Premier magazine.
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i wonder if his expression would be fear... i hope we will see him acting as static as possible. he said in an early interview that he didn't watched the movies again, before filming. it sounds kind of a mistake, because ian holm & lance henriksen did, as usual, great work! but in the otherhand he keeps it fresh than, without copying one or the other.
i'm looking forward to his take of david.
Each artist has their own interpretation, some need to view past work, others don't. Ridley was there to help him along however. :)
A May 30th release date in France. Cool. I haven't noticed that before.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 16, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
3) There will be some wormhole/time travel aspect in Prometheus to explaine the time issue. This probably is the least desirable possibilty by most people, but some Prometheus synopsis of questionable origin mention the crew travelling through a wormhole and going back in time.
Well Ridley mentioned a "Back to the future" style plot in an interview and it all seemed inevitable with Lindelof taking part in the scriptwriting, so perhaps indeed
Thankyou mustangjeff and gash for your replies I really like those ideas, and I know exactly what you mean about the idea of time travel, I find the concept of time travel is used too often to cover up indecrepances in many sc-fi stories and plot lines. I also like the idea that the images we have seen are not of the derelict on lv426. I also noticed that the new images show the Prometheus crew in the urn room using no breathing equipment. Is this earth or another planet with a breathable atmosphere?
Quote from: Swanajax on Dec 16, 2011, 06:04:09 PM
Thankyou mustangjeff and gash for your replies I really like those ideas, and I know exactly what you mean about the idea of time travel, I find the concept of time travel is used too often to cover up indecrepances in many sc-fi stories and plot lines. I also like the idea that the images we have seen are not of the derelict on lv426. I also noticed that the new images show the Prometheus crew in the urn room using no breathing equipment. Is this earth or another planet with a breathable atmosphere?
I'm starting to wonder if the urn room w/giant head is actually a space jockey ship instead of a building. In the leaked trailer there was an image of a ship exploding in the sky, and I wonder if that is this particular ship. It didn't look like the derelict in that it appeared more circular, but it could be the explosion was covering the already fuzzy details.
Empire scan
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Space, The Final frontier.
Hi fellow Alien fans.
Mind if I give a shot at translation too ? Panda really got the gyst of the text but being a native Frenchman I believe I can better bring out the ironical tone of that article :
The project was first launched as an alien prequel, however that announcement was later denied, and then ambiguously confirmed again by scriptwriter Damon Lindelof ("the same DNA as Alien, with an entirely new mythology"). All the studio was willing to reveal was that the film would tell about the travel through space of a team of scientists looking for the beginnings of Mankind – one could hardly be more ambitious and esoteric. Hollywood sci-fi running high on metaphysical questionings ? The like of it had not been seen for thirty long years, since Blade Runner, directed by Sir Ridley Scott himself again. No wonder Prometheus is awaited with astronomical expectations. And the cast raises many hopes too. So far, the planets' alignment seems propitious...
(The historical datum no one cares about : according to ancient mythology, Prometheus created men from water and clay.)
Prometheus, out June 1st?
Just noticed that at the bottom of the picture...must be a typo or it got moved up a week.
That's the UK release date.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 16, 2011, 10:33:46 PM
That's the UK release date.
Damn. Guess I'm moving to the UK...
NO. TIME. TRAVEL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 16, 2011, 06:28:15 PMI'm starting to wonder if the urn room w/giant head is actually a space jockey ship instead of a building.
Could be, but if you look at some of the leaked set photos there is a carved rock tunnel that seems to lead to a big 'door' that opens into what we might assume is the ampule room. The new magazine pictures show not the symmetrical structured walls of the ampule room but a more organic, rock like tunnel.
My guess is that it is an installation on the surface of a planet and not a space ship at all. It could even be on Earth, but the spacesuits seem to discount that idea - unless they are diving suits, as has been suggested here before.
-Chris
Another one i said month ago is coming back lol
Yeah the temple is also a ship.
There is 2 doors.
A massive stone door, then a biomechanical door.
The temple is the ship.
it could very well be on earth.
the suits look much more like diving suits than space suits and it also would explain why they are able to take their helmets off.
and let's not forget that some time ago they were shooting scenes on some kind of boat. it would make sense if there is something to find underwater.
the humanoid giant-head would also better be placed on earth than on a planet somewhere deep in space.
it could even be true that all this stuff is going to happen at the very beginning of the movie.
we know that before the prometheus takes off into space there will be a magnificent discovery on earth - what if this is the ampule room and (nearly) all the stuff that has been shown so far? and the real wicked parts of the later story are (almost) completely unknown - except for some unofficial leaked snippets?
They do wear the helmet before entering the temple/ship you can see it in some of the SDCC footage leaked images.
The scenes with a boat supposed to be shot in spain never happened.
The ampule room is not on Earth.
The dicovery on Earth is some sort of text, transmission, map... Not a giant room housing ALIEN urns and a massive bust.
From EMPIRE.
"The crew of the Prometheus (the ship's name designed to echo the Greek myth) follow a perplexing message to a planet that will open their eyes and their chests to a new alien race."
If the Ampule room was found on Earth the journalist would have not asked what it was to Scott at the end of the article.
He would have just said the discovery of the Ampule room on Earth ....
:)
Scott wouldn't have given anything away that he didn't want to. Also the the fact that the Empire journalist states "..follow a perplexing message to a planet that will open their eyes and their chests to a new alien race." Which is wholly speculation and rather undermines any other assumptions made on their part in the article.
I can quite easily imagine the ampule room could be on Earth, there's nothing to say the perplexing message isn't within that room, on the markings on the face for example. Still it's fun to speculate.
Engineer1, you still persist to post as fact and not speculation. It's tiring. I get your enthusiasm, I REALLY do, but none of us know anything, not one thing aside from the confusing chaos of information already given.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 16, 2011, 11:36:49 PMYeah the temple is also a ship.
There's no reason why not - an ancient ship buried for millennia. On Earth or not, whatever.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 17, 2011, 12:23:17 AMthere's nothing to say the perplexing message isn't within that room
Agree.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 16, 2011, 11:36:49 PMYeah the temple is also a ship.
There's no reason why not - an ancient ship buried for millennia. On Earth or not, whatever.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 17, 2011, 12:23:17 AMthere's nothing to say the perplexing message isn't within that room
Agree.
-Chris
You got me wrong, the temple on the alien planet being actually the Engineer's ship has been my theory for months ^^
Ampule room not on Earth.
You'll thank me later, or not coz i would have already spoiled a lot for ya ^^
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 17, 2011, 01:31:28 AMYou'll thank me later, or not coz i would have already spoiled a lot for ya ^^
But I would have to believe your theories for you to spoil it for me now, wouldn't I. ;)
-Chris
You already believe meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ;D
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Here's another speculative theory:
LV-426, itself, is an ancient spacecraft. The 'derelict' is just the external bridge. That's why the egg chamber tunnel dimensions are technically too big to have fitted inside the hull above
Now blow your minds...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:57:24 AMNow blow your minds...
No need, you just did it for us. ;D
-Chris
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:57:24 AM
Here's another speculative theory:
LV-426, itself, is an ancient spacecraft. The 'derelict' is just the external bridge. That's why the egg chamber tunnel dimensions are technically too big to have fitted inside the hull above
Now blow your minds...
I am not certain that we ever get a good estimation of the actual size of the Derelict ship. In A L I E N, you either have long shots, which gives you no information...or you have Kane, Dallas and Lambert entering an orifice an the external hull. That close-up shot does not give you any way to gauge the size of the Derelict craft, in relation to the size of a human. At least, that is my recollection.
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 17, 2011, 03:34:34 AM
I am not certain that we ever get a good estimation of the actual size of the Derelict ship. In A L I E N, you either have long shots, which gives you no information...or you have Kane, Dallas and Lambert entering an orifice an the external hull. That close-up shot does not give you any way to gauge the size of the Derelict craft, in relation to the size of a human. At least, that is my recollection.
Actually, you can estimate it. :) A bunch of us did it a few years ago, by comparing the heights of the crew in the Jockey and egg chambers (and Jockey chair prop), respectively. You can then scale up.
I think SM has access to the actual dimensions which were estimated.
What I wrote above about the 'spaceship planet' was a joke, but in all seriousness, this is why I've always suspected the derelict is either a facility instead of a ship or it had simply docked onto a pre-existing cavern, built by a civilisation even older than its own construction: The underlying allegory being that the Space Jockey was
exactly like the ill-fated Nostromo crew... It investigated and was doomed. Which puts a whole new foreshadowing spin on that scene where they find it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 05:43:11 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 17, 2011, 03:34:34 AM
I am not certain that we ever get a good estimation of the actual size of the Derelict ship. In A L I E N, you either have long shots, which gives you no information...or you have Kane, Dallas and Lambert entering an orifice an the external hull. That close-up shot does not give you any way to gauge the size of the Derelict craft, in relation to the size of a human. At least, that is my recollection.
Actually, you can estimate it. :) A bunch of us did it a few years ago, by comparing the heights of the crew in the Jockey and egg chambers (and Jockey chair prop), respectively. You can then scale up.
I think SM has access to the actual dimensions which were estimated.
What I wrote above about the 'spaceship planet' was a joke, but in all seriousness, this is why I've always suspected the derelict is either a facility instead of a ship or it had simply docked onto a pre-existing cavern, built by a civilisation even older than its own construction: The underlying allegory being that the Space Jockey was exactly like the ill-fated Nostromo crew... It investigated and was doomed. Which puts a whole new foreshadowing spin on that scene where they find it.
If the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 05:47:36 AMIf the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
It could be a double blind... the Space Jockeys created humans, then found a clue to the origins of their own species, went investigating and got wasted, then we go and find the Jockeys and get wasted as well. The moral of the story is; if you are alienated from you parents, don't go looking, because they could be trailer trash.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 06:10:09 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 05:47:36 AMIf the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
It could be a double blind... the Space Jockeys created humans, then found a clue to the origins of their own species, went investigating and got wasted, then we go and find the Jockeys and get wasted as well. The moral of the story is; if you are alienated from you parents, don't go looking, because they could be trailer trash.
-Chris
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
thanks
rich
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 06:10:09 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 05:47:36 AMIf the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
It could be a double blind... the Space Jockeys created humans, then found a clue to the origins of their own species, went investigating and got wasted, then we go and find the Jockeys and get wasted as well. The moral of the story is; if you are alienated from you parents, don't go looking, because they could be trailer trash.
-Chris
I like this idea about trailer trash parents :)
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 05:47:36 AM
If the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
Alien resin from ages back. Either from several creatures or just the one which emerged from the pilot. Wasn't like it had much else to do. :)
I once did this huge comparison between images of the derelict/chamber interiors and the nest at Hadley's Hope. It definitely looks like one's a much more advanced state of the other. Both basically look like the skeletal interior of a whale.
My theory for that is that, since all Aliens came from inside a chest cavity, they're naturally inclined to construct their nest into looking as much like one as possible, for psychological reasons of security and feeling 'home'.
If true, then the 'real' hull could look completely different beneath it.
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Dec 16, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
it could very well be on earth.
the suits look much more like diving suits than space suits and it also would explain why they are able to take their helmets off.
and let's not forget that some time ago they were shooting scenes on some kind of boat. it would make sense if there is something to find underwater.
Perhaps behind a certain waterfall? ;)
interesting, what makes you think it could be behind a waterfall marsekay?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 11:46:44 AMAlien resin from ages back.. [..] since all Aliens came from inside a chest cavity, they're naturally inclined to construct their nest into looking as much like one as possible
Perhaps the alien resin is not a copy of the human chest cavity, but rather the human chest cavity is a copy of the alien resin... Nah. That's dumb.
The alien builds, that's no doubt. Even in the deleted scene from the original film the alien has 'plastered' the walls with some construction. But surely the derelict is not just plastered over by alien goo.
-Chris
Everything is Giger style. Jockey and Xenos are probably from the same world/planet. Maybe the link between them is just evolution like humans and apes.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 05:47:36 AM
If the Space Jockey found the cavern, built by another civilisation, then why are the walls constructed in the same bio-mechanical way as the Jockey's chamber?
Alien resin from ages back. Either from several creatures or just the one which emerged from the pilot. Wasn't like it had much else to do. :)
I once did this huge comparison between images of the derelict/chamber interiors and the nest at Hadley's Hope. It definitely looks like one's a much more advanced state of the other. Both basically look like the skeletal interior of a whale.
My theory for that is that, since all Aliens came from inside a chest cavity, they're naturally inclined to construct their nest into looking as much like one as possible, for psychological reasons of security and feeling 'home'.
If true, then the 'real' hull could look completely different beneath it.
It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced...
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You'll noticed that there's more than just resin in these two environments. There's clearly a lot of technology (or rather bio-technology), as you can see from the pipes etc. In fact, they used the walls of the same set for both environments so those pipes that you can clearly see in the Space Jockey picture are also present in the egg chamber. The Aliens don't build pipes and it's pretty much a given that a different civilisation wouldn't build the exact same pipes as the Space Jockeys!
I always saw the alien as the extreme embodiment of masculinity, a combination of phallic symbols, and a drive that could be reduced to two tropisms : predation (i.e. destruction) and reproduction.
In French, "mâle" means "male", and "mal" signifies "evil". Both principles are indissociable, hence the almost similar spelling. In that case, it was only too logical that the alien's ultimate contender should be a woman.
In "Aliens", I never liked the fact that these mean creatures obeyed a female entity, like stupid hive members. It ruins the coherence of Scott and O'Bannon's opus. Cameron is a passionate and generous filmmaker but his concepts are naive.
To me, it's obvious the aliens are a construct, the product of the space jockey's experiments. These superior beings certainly imparted some of their traits to their "children".
I'd like to ask you guys two questions :
- Has anyone ever mentioned that the giant head looked so much like Guy Pearce ? Same handsome, fine features. What with the mystery surrounding Pearce's part, I wonder if there's not something to it.
- How come the exploration party people don't wear a backpack, like some childish Captain Scarlet puppets ? No need for oxygen supply ?
Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on Dec 17, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
I always saw the alien as the extreme embodiment of masculinity, a combination of phallic symbols, and a drive that could be reduced to two tropisms : predation (i.e. destruction) and reproduction.
In French, "mâle" means "male", and "mal" signifies "evil". Both principles are indissociable, hence the almost similar spelling. In that case, it was only too logical that the alien's ultimate contender should be a woman.
In "Aliens", I never liked the fact that these mean creatures obeyed a female entity, like stupid hive members. It ruins the coherence of Scott and O'Bannon's opus. Cameron is a passionate and generous filmmaker but his concepts are naive.
To me, it's obvious the aliens are a construct, the product of the space jockey's experiments. These superior beings certainly imparted some of their traits to their "children".
The Alien was actually intended to be a female - Scott spent some time looking for a woman to play the creature, as he thought two women [one alien, one human] battling one another would have excellent 'connotations'. When they couldn't find a woman, thy decided the Alien was a man in the shape of a woman, essentially, a hermaphrodite.
I don't quite understand the offence or stupidity in obeying a "female entity," though.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 17, 2011, 12:18:20 PM
interesting, what makes you think it could be behind a waterfall marsekay?
The leaked trailer features a huge waterfall quite prominently.
Thank you Valaquen for setting things straight and enlightening me on this point. I didn't know Scott had once toyed with the idea of a female creature. I do remember reading somewhere that he said it was a hermaphrodite from his standpoint. So now I know where the authors of "Species" drew their inspiration from (apart from "A for Andromeda").
I didn't mean to appear offending to anyone. I am in no way sexist or whatever, quite the contrary. I voted for women quite often in my life so please do not misunderstand me. It's just that I am trying to find a thematic coherence in a film that has marked me for life. My interpretation may be reducing
It's not so much the fact that the aliens are ruled by a queen that I don't much appreciate in Cameron's take on the licence, but the fact they are reduced to bugs in a way, as someone pointed out very pertinently in another thread.
Indeed, Dan O'Bannon wanted to imbue his tale with a lovecraftian dimension. That's a far cry from giant bugs.
In "Alien", Scott spoke of the alien as a kind of medieval gargoyle haunting a gothic cathedral. He said at one point they planned to suggest that the alien had reached Earth in the distant past and had given birth to the myth of the Devil. They ditched that concept for obvious reasons.
Maybe that's the main provocative idea at the core of Prometheus : that man was not created by God in his semblance, but by the Devil.
As an aside, I hate Verhoeven's "Starship Troopers" for the reasons stated above, all the more so since the enemy is a spacefaring species, which makes it ludicrous they should not be sentient. In Heinlein's novel, man is clearly at war against other civilizations.
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Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on Dec 17, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
Thank you Valaquen for setting things straight and enlightening me on this point. I didn't know Scott had once toyed with the idea of a female creature. I do remember reading somewhere that he said it was a hermaphrodite from his standpoint. So now I know where the authors of "Species" drew their inspiration from (apart from "A for Andromeda").
I didn't mean to appear offending to anyone. I am in no way sexist or whatever, quite the contrary. I voted for women quite often in my life so please do not misunderstand me. It's just that I am trying to find a thematic coherence in a film that has marked me for life. My interpretation may be reducing
It's not so much the fact that the aliens are ruled by a queen that I don't much appreciate in Cameron's take on the licence, but the fact they are reduced to bugs in a way, as someone pointed out very pertinently in another thread.
Indeed, Dan O'Bannon wanted to imbue his tale with a lovecraftian dimension. That's a far cry from giant bugs.
In "Alien", Scott spoke of the alien as a kind of medieval gargoyle haunting a gothic cathedral. He said at one point they planned to suggest that the alien had reached Earth in the distant past and had given birth to the myth of the Devil. They ditched that concept for obvious reasons.
Maybe that's the main provocative idea at the core of Prometheus : that man was not created by God in his semblance, but by the Devil.
I didn't mean to suggest that you were being offensive towards women, sorry, I just didn't understand your angle, there. As for the bugs thing, Scott called his Alien an insect numerous times, Giger called the egg silo a termite nest, Dan O'Bannon was influenced by insects - it all goes back to insects. Still, I can understand some people's aversion to the Queen, even though I don't feel the same way. Different strokes for different folks.
As for
man was not created by God in his semblance, but by the Devil that's pretty much like a lot of Gnosticism and the concept of the Demiurge.
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Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 17, 2011, 12:18:20 PM
interesting, what makes you think it could be behind a waterfall marsekay?
The leaked trailer features a huge waterfall quite prominently.
This. just trying to put 2+2 together, probably coming up with 600 though lol.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 12:22:27 PM
Perhaps the alien resin is not a copy of the human chest cavity, but rather the human chest cavity is a copy of the alien resin... Nah. That's dumb.
And then Agent Smith appears in the doorway as the Alien King... :D
QuoteThe alien builds, that's no doubt. Even in the deleted scene from the original film the alien has 'plastered' the walls with some construction. But surely the derelict is not just plastered over by alien goo.
Much of the atmosphere processor's interior was... And that was only after two weeks. They might've covered the entire thing
and colony in the stuff if it had gone much longer.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 17, 2011, 03:16:48 PM
You'll noticed that there's more than just resin in these two environments. There's clearly a lot of technology (or rather bio-technology), as you can see from the pipes etc. In fact, they used the walls of the same set for both environments so those pipes that you can clearly see in the Space Jockey picture are also present in the egg chamber. The Aliens don't build pipes and it's pretty much a given that a different civilisation wouldn't build the exact same pipes as the Space Jockeys!
Yes - and in the colony, precisely those sorts of things are actually visible. It's not like in '
Alien Resurrection' (which can be excused by assuming the human DNA-tainted Aliens are having as many psychological adaptation problems as Ripley 8 was). There are clear parts where the stuff is somehow being deliberately changed into structures startlingly like the ribbing and such you see in the Jockey and egg chambers, both.
I could throw up a post about this and identify them all with arrows and stuff, but... It took me ages and I'd need to be in the mood. :)
There's also the possibility inferred in '
Resurrection' that the gunk is somehow alive in a viral/fungal manner. It might well be a living organism, in its own right, gradually reconfiguring itself into a biomechanical matrix (not unlike the Alien, itself, in that respect). Being alive would certainly explain how it can slowly creep outward from where the creatures are hibernating, if one assumes they
were dormant and not just periodically resting.
There is actually a precedence for this: Look at how the eggs appear to start sprouting roots. There could be a connection.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 18, 2011, 04:56:26 AM
There's also the possibility inferred in 'Resurrection' that the gunk is somehow alive in a viral/fungal manner. It might well be a living organism, in its own right, gradually reconfiguring itself into a biomechanical matrix (not unlike the Alien, itself, in that respect). Being alive would certainly explain how it can slowly creep outward from where the creatures are hibernating, if one assumes they were dormant and not just periodically resting.
There is actually a precedence for this: Look at how the eggs appear to start sprouting roots. There could be a connection.
I like that thought.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 18, 2011, 04:56:26 AM
There is actually a precedence for this: Look at how the eggs appear to start sprouting roots. There could be a connection.
Well, Giger designed those roots as tentacles on the eggs bases in the original movie, so I would go along with the idea that these things might be able to some extent crawl around looking enough to fix themselves in a place that was ideal
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 18, 2011, 04:56:26 AM
There is actually a precedence for this: Look at how the eggs appear to start sprouting roots. There could be a connection.
Well, Giger designed those roots as tentacles on the eggs bases in the original movie, so I would go along with the idea that these things might be able to some extent crawl around looking enough to fix themselves in a place that was ideal
Well hell the picture of the egg just got a whole lot freakier to me when you think of it like that. I never thought of it like that and that would be creepy as hell lol... Anthony
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I just tracked it down in case you're interested. It came from a Russian news site. That other fansite resized it and removed the tag manually. Original here:
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He's got that sexy manpurse again!
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I just tracked it down in case you're interested. It came from a Russian news site. That other fansite resized it and removed the tag manually. Original here:
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Thanks!
I was wondering about the resizing.
Should have looked there for myself.
There is a version without a logo actually.
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Where do people get these pictures from, does Fox send them out or do they have a press page?
Do they send out newsletters then to inform the press to download these images?
Where do people get the international release dates from?
Does anybody have acess to those sources?
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I just tracked it down in case you're interested. It came from a Russian news site. That other fansite resized it and removed the tag manually. Original here:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6531/kinopoiskruprometheus17.jpg
Thanks!
I was wondering about the resizing.
Should have looked there for myself.
There is a version without a logo actually.
http://st.kinopoisk.ru/images/kadr/1758992.jpg
Where do people get these pictures from, does Fox send them out or do they have a press page?
Do they send out newsletters then to inform the press to download these images?
Where do people get the international release dates from?
Does anybody have acess to those sources?
There is indeed. And they usually come from press kits or press vaults. For some reason the press don't seem to care about embargo dates in Eastern Europe. It happens quite often.
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I notice that David is half standing in some kind of channel, leaning on his left knee while his right leg is straight down into it - like he's just climbed out of a hole. Another detail about the tunnel there, for what it's worth.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 18, 2011, 04:56:26 AMIt might well be a living organism, in its own right, gradually reconfiguring itself into a biomechanical matrix (not unlike the Alien, itself, in that respect).
Never thought of it that way. In Aliens it is suggested that the creature excretes the stuff, implying that it is actually sculptured by them, however IMO that idea never quite meshed with the symmetrical, almost architectural form of the end result. But then again, insects in nature do build fairly complex and symmetrical structures. Some spiders create massive 'nests' from their webs consisting of layer upon layer of webbing, all sculpted into curving 'tunnels' and 'rooms'...
Eeesh, I just gave myself the heebies.
-Chris
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 17, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
I didn't mean to suggest that you were being offensive towards women, sorry, I just didn't understand your angle, there. As for the bugs thing, Scott called his Alien an insect numerous times, Giger called the egg silo a termite nest, Dan O'Bannon was influenced by insects - it all goes back to insects. Still, I can understand some people's aversion to the Queen, even though I don't feel the same way. Different strokes for different folks.
As for man was not created by God in his semblance, but by the Devil that's pretty much like a lot of Gnosticism and the concept of the Demiurge.
I like to throw ideas at times but lack the knowledge to back them up. I am not much of an erudite, nor am I a religious person (if not an atheist) but I checked on the theory that you evoke.
It is altogether consistent with Ridley Scott's statements regarding Prometheus, isn't it ?
What I wonder is : does Scott's ambitions extend beyond the desire to enthrall audiences with an effective shocker ? If so, does he have a scientific, religious, metaphysical or materialistic bias ?
It is still unclear and it will possibly remain so after we've seen the film. I wouldn't blame that sensitive director for raising more interrogations than answers, but I'd really resent him for giving a trite explanation to one of the most mysterious scenes in science-fiction cinema.
Cameron actually was a bit naive with the use of that bone like structure as seen in the derelict. That stuff appeared to be more apart of the architecture of the original ship, then anything the alien itself secreted or created. It didn't make narrative sense to include the structure in ALIENS with the exception of going into the ship.
hi
i'm new to this forum and enjoy reading your comments since the upcoming prometheus movie news starts.
sorry if this post doesnt belong here but since you were analyzing the derelict ship i found
this site with a model photos. hope this link doesnt violate any of your rules.
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Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on Dec 18, 2011, 11:06:23 PMIf so, does he have a scientific, religious, metaphysical or materialistic bias?
A good question. Some of his recent comments do hint that he has a specific belief about human origins on Earth, but it is probably just as easily based on his overactive imagination. The synopsis does say that he is creating a 'grand mythology', but to anchor it to any one religious ideal would be a bit trite, as you say.
-Chris
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 18, 2011, 11:54:35 PM
hi
i'm new to this forum and enjoy reading your comments since the upcoming prometheus movie news starts.
sorry if this post doesnt belong here but since you were analyzing the derelict ship i found
this site with a model photos. hope this link doesnt violate any of your rules.
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The way some comments are going anyone would think this film is going to be a religious epic, something I'm not seeing at all myself in any of the genuine quotes. There isn't anything that suggests supporting creationism, anymore than any other sci fi story that has used a similar premise has. All I've seen is that a character will have to question their faith.
It's fiction, and drama is all the more effective if somehow finds their assumptions challenged. It reminds me of misconceptions about an episode of 1970s British post apocalyptic TV series 'Survivors' in which a religious group put their faith in God to save them, only to find that their arriving saviors - another group of survivors have brought a contagious virus with them. So all the religious characters die. Some critics just wrote it off as preachy TV suited to Sunday evening viewing rather than sci fi drama. In other words completely missing the point.
The same could be said of a part of the story in Day of the Triffids. Just because religion themes are touched upon doesn't mean that there's an underlying support of religion. Or not.
Same with Prometheus. Themes are there to create a story with drama and conflict (that's mental conflict). It doesn't actually have to say anything about what Ridley Scott himself believes.
He's built a new grand mythology - a fiction stemming from the SJ in A L I E N.
Cool, what's wrong with that?
Quote from: Gash on Dec 19, 2011, 01:49:29 AMThe way some comments are going anyone would think this film is going to be a religious epic, something I'm not seeing at all myself in any of the genuine quotes. There isn't anything that suggests supporting creationism, anymore than any other sci fi story that has used a similar premise has. All I've seen is that a character will have to question their faith.
It could well be that Elizabeth Shaw is not traditionally religious at all, but a follower of an entirely fictitious belief system created for the alien universe. As an archeologist, her faith could be based on her sense that human beings
were created by or guided by interstellar beings, a belief that she has chased after her entire life, as her parents before her did. She may have a personal conviction of the idea; certain of it's truth but unable to find the real smoking gun to prove it. Until...
Unless of course it has been stated somewhere that she is in fact Christian/Muslim/Hindu or of some other real world religious denomination?
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 19, 2011, 03:20:20 AM
a belief that she has chased after her entire life, as her parents before her did.
-Chris
do you think her father was kidnapped by aliens and that's the reason why we will see him in flashbacks?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 18, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
Cameron actually was a bit naive with the use of that bone like structure as seen in the derelict. That stuff appeared to be more apart of the architecture of the original ship, then anything the alien itself secreted or created. It didn't make narrative sense to include the structure in ALIENS with the exception of going into the ship.
In terms of
Aliens, I thought it was a very effective, and intelligent, nod to the first movie (even if not logical)... as it suddenly, and quite dramatically, gives the audience a visual connection to the experiences on the Derelict in
Alien i.e. "don't go in there".
Quote from: Gash on Dec 19, 2011, 01:49:29 AM
The way some comments are going anyone would think this film is going to be a religious epic, something I'm not seeing at all myself in any of the genuine quotes. There isn't anything that suggests supporting creationism, anymore than any other sci fi story that has used a similar premise has. All I've seen is that a character will have to question their faith.
It's fiction, and drama is all the more effective if somehow finds their assumptions challenged. It reminds me of misconceptions about an episode of 1970s British post apocalyptic TV series 'Survivors' in which a religious group put their faith in God to save them, only to find that their arriving saviors - another group of survivors have brought a contagious virus with them. So all the religious characters die. Some critics just wrote it off as preachy TV suited to Sunday evening viewing rather than sci fi drama. In other words completely missing the point.
The same could be said of a part of the story in Day of the Triffids. Just because religion themes are touched upon doesn't mean that there's an underlying support of religion. Or not.
Same with Prometheus. Themes are there to create a story with drama and conflict (that's mental conflict). It doesn't actually have to say anything about what Ridley Scott himself believes.
He's built a new grand mythology - a fiction stemming from the SJ in A L I E N.
Cool, what's wrong with that?
Obviously, what we're all concerned about is the dramatic and emotional potential of the story. I expect nothing from Scott short of a punch in the stomach, a unique experience I would walk from dizzy and reeling and that would constitute a drastic departure from the tepid stuff studios churn out on an industrial basis. The Thing prequel was rather enjoyable but I was struck by how bland the treatment was compared with Carpenter's sicko, stylish masterpiece.
In "Alien Vault", you can read Scott declared that he was fascinated by the no-bullshit nature of the script, "something that was utterly about function" (which echoes what Ash says about the Alien). That does not seem to make him much of a mystic. About "Blade Runner", which film critics disparaged because of its so-called lack of content, he said that "in this case, the design IS the statement".
And yet... I have a hunch that this time, this particular horror piece will be intellectually as well as emotionally disturbing. Visceral and cerebral at the same time, a tale of space and inner exploration. I hope it will really be Scott's vision, unmarred by any interference from execs' marketing concerns.
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Quote from: Kol on Dec 19, 2011, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 19, 2011, 03:20:20 AM
a belief that she has chased after her entire life, as her parents before her did.
-Chris
do you think her father was kidnapped by aliens and that's the reason why we will see him in flashbacks?
Maybe he became an engineer?
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Quote from: Kol on Dec 19, 2011, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 19, 2011, 03:20:20 AM
a belief that she has chased after her entire life, as her parents before her did.
-Chris
do you think her father was kidnapped by aliens and that's the reason why we will see him in flashbacks?
Maybe he became an engineer?
this speculation is fun. 8)
maybe we will see him like jodie foster see's her father in contact.