If this has been posted already, I apologize!
Alien: Paradise Lost, huh? Sounds good to me.
Wonder if it will take the themes from the book.
A little wikipedia synopsis for everyone:
QuoteMilton's story has two narrative arcs, one about Satan (Lucifer) and the other following Adam and Eve. It begins after Satan and the other rebel angels have been defeated and banished to Hell, or, as it is also called in the poem, Tartarus. In Pandæmonium, Satan employs his rhetorical skill to organise his followers; he is aided by Mammon and Beelzebub. Belial and Moloch are also present. At the end of the debate, Satan volunteers to poison the newly created Earth and God's new and most favoured creation, Mankind. He braves the dangers of the Abyss alone in a manner reminiscent of Odysseus or Aeneas. After an arduous traversal of the Chaos outside Hell, he enters God's new material World, and later the Garden of Eden.
Very surprising indeed. I never expected them to drop the Prometheus name considering it was supposed to be its own franchise.
I'm going to assume this is partially a joke. That title is awful.
Much like the reveal of titles such as Star Wars Episode 1's title The Phantom Menace" and Star Wars The Force Awaken my reaction was, "YE... WTF? Um, interesting title. :/
I posted this first, ty.
What an awful title. Surely just 'Paradise Lost' would have been better, without the Alien moniker?
If it was just Paradise Lost, the average Joe wouldn't know that it's related to Prometheus. I can see the reasoning behind it. They should have done the same thing with the first movie.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 24, 2015, 04:53:04 PM
Wonder if it will take the themes from the book.
Yeah, Milton's poem is essentially about civil war. If it follows the same themes it might be about the good Engineers vs the bad Engineers. In an old Prometheus interview Scott likened the Engineers to the dark angels of John Milton's Paradise Lost.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 24, 2015, 04:53:16 PM
Very surprising indeed. I never expected them to drop the Prometheus name considering it was supposed to be its own franchise.
Prometheus: Paradise Lost would have made more sense but the Alien brand will probably have more marketing power.
Oh I love the title! Very happy to see "Alien" back!
Yeah, but all fans alike agree that Prometheus was indeed a prequel to the franchise. I like it better that way anyway. The Alien saga is the best movie series of all time, so relating more movies to it seems appeasing.
So does this mean the Prometheus section of the forums is going to move inside the Alien Films section?
I think it's a great title.
Prometheus
Alien: Paradise Lost
Untitled sequel (planned)
Untitled sequel (planned)
Alien
Aliens....................................Bloomkamp's Untitled Alien film
Alien³
Alien: Resurrection
Interesting move. I could've lived with PROMETHEUS: ALIEN PARADISE.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 24, 2015, 05:23:24 PM
They should have done the same thing with the first movie.
It was Alien: Engineers originally until they got Lindelof in and everything went to pot.
This will hopefully quieten those who've been stubbornly insisting that all the millions of deliberate continuity references, like Weyland, were supposedly not meant to be taken literally...
He should take one from the Blomkamp playbook and release some concept art now.
I don't care, I'm not seeing it.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 24, 2015, 05:23:24 PM
If it was just Paradise Lost, the average Joe wouldn't know that it's related to Prometheus. I can see the reasoning behind it. They should have done the same thing with the first movie.
Yeah but that's no difference to the average joe not knowing Prometheus was related to Alien. I never believed this movie was ever going to be called 'Prometheus 2', I fully expected it to just be 'Paradise'. But putting the Alien moniker in there seems contrived, considering how endlessly Scott and co have insisted this its its own franchise.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a Fox enforced thing after Blomkamp's film was approved.
So I guess you were talking rubbish when you said the sequels were gonna move further away from Alien...
I really get the feeling this film's gonna be just as much of a mess as the first one.
Ridly Scott should call it Prometheus 2 Paradise Lost not Alien: Paradise Lost what a shame " (
I prefer the plural uses of Aliens:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbu053_sigourney-weaver-in-alienses_fun
Prometheus was the name of the ship, which is no more. Make sense to me that they would drop the name.
So the Prometheus sequel will be titled Alien: Paradise Lost, but it will feature no connections at all to Alien. Is anybody else getting mixed signals here? Unless proven otherwise, I really get the feeling that Ridley is trying to milk the Alien franchise's logo rather than tell a decent story.
Whhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttt?
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Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2015, 07:09:12 PMUnless proven otherwise, I really get the feeling that Ridley is trying to milk the Alien franchise's logo rather than tell a decent story.
Given what a u-turn this is from "the sequels will move even further away from
Alien", I'm inclined to agree.
I did read something interesting in one report suggesting he might just be using the name to try and delay the Blomkamp film. No evidence, just the reporter thinking out loud.
Well, I guess it's good to have "Alien" in the title.
Bet really, just give me a good Alien V.
I'm tempted to say: " I'm done with that shit!"
It's hard to know if this is a studio cash in decision... they know Prometheus got a lukewarm reception, perhaps they think sticking Alien in the title will be good for ticket sales...
After how they screwed the jockey origins (incomprehensible alien to bald dude) I don't think they could do more damage, so if this is a change in direction perhaps it is a good thing...
I guess we won't know until some plot details surface. Also saw that it's been reported as March 2016 release?
Hmmm...I have mixed feelings. 'Paradise Lost' is a great title, but I'm not really sure how I feel about the 'Alien'. It seems conturbed when placed in the series' continuity...I understand it from a marketing point, but it just doesn't sound right.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Sep 24, 2015, 08:29:43 PMAlso saw that it's been reported as March 2016 release?
If filming is starting in Feb 2016, that's pretty much impossible.
Quote from: Ephemer Nine on Sep 24, 2015, 08:31:16 PMHmmm...I have mixed feelings. 'Paradise Lost' is a great title, but I'm not really sure how I feel about the 'Alien'. It seems conturbed when placed in the series' continuity...I understand it from a marketing point, but it just doesn't sound right.
Agreed, calling it simply
Paradise Lost would be a thousand times better.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Ephemer Nine on Sep 24, 2015, 08:31:16 PMHmmm...I have mixed feelings. 'Paradise Lost' is a great title, but I'm not really sure how I feel about the 'Alien'. It seems conturbed when placed in the series' continuity...I understand it from a marketing point, but it just doesn't sound right.
Agreed, calling it simply Paradise Lost would be a thousand times better.
^This, the only thing adding "Alien" to the title will do is piss Alien fans off when they find out there's nothing "Alien" at all in the film. To be blunt, Prometheus should never have been a spin-off/prequel to Alien; it could have been a nice film set in its own world but the moment Alien is added to the mix, it became a convoluted mess. I guess Riddles couldn't help adding a sales marketing gimmick to 2x the audience for his film.
I'm guessing the 2016 supposed release date was announced ages ago mid 2014 or something before Ridley was caught up in the production of The Martian.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Sep 24, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
It's hard to know if this is a studio cash in decision... they know Prometheus got a lukewarm reception, perhaps they think sticking Alien in the title will be good for ticket sales...
After how they screwed the jockey origins (incomprehensible alien to bald dude) I don't think they could do more damage, so if this is a change in direction perhaps it is a good thing...
I guess we won't know until some plot details surface. Also saw that it's been reported as March 2016 release?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 06:06:02 PMI really get the feeling this film's gonna be just as much of a mess as the first one.
My feelings exactly.
The word Alien has more than one meaning. ;)
Does anyone get this "Eeeeeeh..." feeling from reading this all other than just myself. More and more Prometheus should have been it's own thing, I keep thinking.
^That's what I've been saying all along.
Quote from: Alien³ on Sep 24, 2015, 08:58:46 PMThe word Alien has more than one meaning. ;)
Sure. But it's pretty obvious how it's being utilised here.
I wonder if people will be all for a Predator movie with no Predator, or an AVP movie with no Alien or Predator. :D Though for the latter option, some fans may actually claim that would be better. :-\
Odds are Fox rammed the "alien" in the title. But come on guys this is a movie set in the alien universe and ridley's concept of the alien being an engineer bioweapon and the prometheus (now alien) series is the explanation of why man creates these horrible weapons. Dude's it's an alien movie -series. We're getting to see the build up of what happens when gods run amok with power.
So glad to see this name change. This is good News. We all know that 'Prometheus' was part of the 'ALIEN' series - denying it was always pointless. This action cements it into place inarguably and titles mean a lot. The amount of freight they carry behind them determines all kinds of expectations.
Besides, 'Prometheus 2'..? Really..? How corny was it going to get? Not withstanding Shaw and David's continuing exploration of the themes established in the first movie, how is Weyland Industries responding to the events set out in the first movie? ...by sending out the ship, Prometheus 2, to investigate? Covered in so much corn, I tell you and completely lacking in any merit in terms of story narrative.
As far as Blomkamp's movie goes. The title is not even known so it's still subject to every possible change you can care to nominate as far as I am concerned. I suspect once we know the title, we'll know exactly what the film will be about.
For all we know, Blomkamp's movie will be one of the speculated 'Prometheus' sequels.
Either way, 2 fresh entries in the series is a great thing. I'm hoping Scott's control over these will now put the licence back on its feet to become a decent quality series once again.
Soooo looking forward to this.
-Windebieste.
crazy idea..waiting for more information before tearing it apart
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2015, 09:31:29 PM
I wonder if people will be all for a Predator movie with no Predator, or an AVP movie with no Alien or Predator. :D Though for the latter option, some fans may actually claim that would be better. :-\
Kind of like how Halloween III was a Halloween film but didn't have Michael Myers? Okay.
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 24, 2015, 09:39:35 PM
So glad to see this name change. This is good News. We all know that 'Prometheus' was part of the 'ALIEN' series - denying it was always pointless. This action cements it into place inarguably and titles mean a lot. The amount of freight they carry behind them determines all kinds of expectations.
The thing is, if they were going to do this then they should have done it with the first film; the fact that they're doing it to the second film which is confirmed to have even fewer, if any at all, connections to Alien is really ironic and indicative of a sales marketing gimmick to increase ticket sales. I see nothing wrong with just naming the sequel "Paradise Lost", it would have been a nice and succinct title.
it will change like seasons. but who cares about the title? Prometheus sounded well, ended up as a fail.
The title is great. Shows what direction they are moving in. I'm really interested in this new breed of Alien Ridley is going to introduce.
Quote from: marrerom on Sep 24, 2015, 10:12:53 PM
The title is great. Shows what direction they are moving in. I'm really interested in this new breed of Alien Ridley is going to introduce.
Same, new breeds of alien are always interesting to me.
As for the title, I like it and yet I can see why it raises concerns in other people. Especially as some of you said, it's been confirmed that this sequel may deviate even further away from Alien.
But things are subject to change, so who knows what the final film will actually be like. It depends on what they meant by the whole deviating further away, I don't remember reading anywhere that they would completely avoid Alien related things all together. So it might still have some connectivity.
Why not just call it Prometheus 2? This is going to be so confusing when we have Alien 5 coming out.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 24, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Why not just call it Prometheus 2? This is going to be so confusing when we have Alien 5 coming out.
Well I suppose they are just branding this as Alien now. Who knows whats going on with Blomkamp's movie
Certainly did not expect this bit of news. I thought Scott purposefully wanted to distance Prometheus from the Alien franchise. Did something change?
It's an alien movie... I mean my goodness for all we grip we're getting a lot of content in movies, comics and games. Why are so many of us complaining about this?
Remember, Prometheus started because Ridley wondered why no one ever asked what that space jockey was. So he decided to tell a movie about it and Scott always thought the alien was a bioweapon. What started off as a generic alien movie branched out into epic territory and got the name Prometheus. However the idea got way the f**k too big and out of hand, so we got what we got in Prometheus. Yet the man simply forgot that the space jockey is in fact IN alien. It's the start of all the events in the alien universe. Yes, Prometheus is a prequel. Adding Alien to the title merely brings it home to it's roots.
I really thing Paradise or just Paradise Lost should've sufficed enough, the tacking of the Alien title just makes it feel like it's meant to draw in more audiences in the seats. Financially, that does make sense but it just feels... forced.
In Paradise Lost, Satan and his fellow fallen angels planned to poison earth and God's favored creation - man. If the engineers on 223 are indeed fallen angels then they weren't responsible for the creation of man. Thus having Paradise Lost in the title already implicitly answers alot lol
Calling it Prometheus 2: Paradise Lost would have been nice and better too.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 25, 2015, 01:59:05 AM
Calling it Prometheus 2: Paradise Lost would have been nice and better too.
Agreed. I mean we're told so many things, that it's not going to feature the Xenomorphs and instead a different creature.. that we're going to be getting away from Gods and Dragons, it looks like history is repeating itself with the whole saying one thing, and then doing another.
I'm very excited. Just hope this has no negative side effects on alien 5.
Ridley Scott Explains Why PROMETHEUS 2 Has Become An ALIEN Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125344 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125344)
I just hope think twice instead let Blomhack erase the masterpiece that is Alien 3 -Assembly Cut- in favor of wet fan-fiction, if Blomhack can't think a a way to tell a new story without erase the prior movies then he doesn't deserve write/direct an Alien movie.
didnt he just say that he wasnt going to tie it to Alien till film four and bam! This movie is now going to be called Alien something, something. . .
come on.
Seriously, this series is quickly taking over the worst spot of the Alien/Pred franchise.
Why are there 3 more movies from this thing coming up? Did Scott actually find the devil and sold his soul?
And the devil was like, "MWA AHAHHAHAHHAHA! Make a reference to me in one of the titles. MWA HAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAA!"
I... don't know what to think anymore. :-\
Quote from: Beatnation on Sep 25, 2015, 03:04:08 AM
I just hope think twice instead let Blomhack erase the masterpiece that is Alien 3 -Assembly Cut- in favor of wet fan-fiction, if Blomhack can't think a a way to tell a new story without erase the prior movies then he doesn't deserve write/direct an Alien movie.
Well put. Hopefully this is Scott's endeavor to keep Blomkamp's ambitions in check, and will succeed in doing so *fingers crossed*!
Here's the thing about Blomkamp's movie... We don't know so far but all signs point to that he might be ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection. Even Michael Biehn has mentioned that is Blomkamp's intention, though everyone seems to want to ignore this.
This is hilarious, Ridley is a joke, could the water be any more murky. Wright this off now as a disaster.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 25, 2015, 01:59:05 AMCalling it Prometheus 2: Paradise Lost would have been nice and better too.
Even if you just dropped the Prometheus 2 bit and called it
Paradise Lost, that would be infinitely superior. But no, studios apparently think we're all idiots who won't realise it's a sequel unless it has the right word in there somewhere. Honestly, it's a miracle the new Bond film isn't called
007: SPECTRE.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2015, 04:12:24 AMWe don't know so far but all signs point to that he might be ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection. Even Michael Biehn has mentioned that is Blomkamp's intention, though everyone seems to want to ignore this.
Maybe because the only person who can really say for sure, Blomkamp himself, has so specifically
avoided saying he's going to undo 3 and 4, and even hinted otherwise at times?
I'm not gonna put too much stock in what Biehn says when the only connection he has to the movie is a hoax Twitter post saying he's in it that was quickly debunked, no offence to him. Same goes for anyone else. I'm waiting for it to come from the horse's mouth. And it hasn't.
Mr. Scott please just make a good Alien movie, and let go all this Prometheus crap! As far as I'm concerned it could be just Alien: Isolation movie.
You had your chance and you blew it, Ridley. Prometheus was dire. Leave it to Blomkamp!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2015, 02:53:55 AM
Ridley Scott Explains Why PROMETHEUS 2 Has Become An ALIEN Movie
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125344 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125344)
So he's going in the backdoor of the Alien. Sounds sexy Ridley!
Also does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......I know we have to take those things with a grain of salt but it was said by someone.....
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be
less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
He's either clutching at straws to bring people back or he's trying to keep BlomKampf in check and be the new guiding light of the Alien Universe
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
There definitely was one it's just near impossible to find at the moment. It basically said the movie was to be more claustrophobic like ALien.
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:39:42 AMThere definitely was one it's just near impossible to find at the moment. It basically said the movie was to be more claustrophobic like ALien.
Really? Well even so, that's just talking about tone.
Das Boot is claustrophobic like
Alien, but you'd never say it has a similar plot.
Ridley was talking about actual plot when he said any
Prometheus sequel would move further away from
Alien. That's what makes this title so baffling. If its plot has nothing to do with
Alien, why does it have
Alien in the title?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:39:42 AMThere definitely was one it's just near impossible to find at the moment. It basically said the movie was to be more claustrophobic like ALien.
Really? Well even so, that's just talking about tone. Das Boot is claustrophobic like Alien, but you'd never say it has a similar plot.
Ridley was talking about actual plot when he said any Prometheus sequel would move further away from Alien. That's what makes this title so baffling. If its plot has nothing to do with Alien, why does it have Alien in the title?
Because they are going in the backdoor of the Alien? Didn't you read his quote?
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 11:03:00 AMBecause they are going in the backdoor of the Alien? Didn't you read his quote?
I didn't literally mean why is it in the title. I meant why has he suddenly pulled a 180 on the whole "we're moving away from
Alien" thing? That kinda rash concept change was probably the biggest cause of the problems in the first movie, and it looks like he's doing it again.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 11:03:00 AMBecause they are going in the backdoor of the Alien? Didn't you read his quote?
I didn't literally mean why is it in the title. I meant why has he suddenly pulled a 180 on the whole "we're moving away from Alien" thing? That kinda rash concept change was probably the biggest cause of the problems in the first movie, and it looks like he's doing it again.
Well I was making a juvenile goof based on his quote!
Really though I think it all just comes down to marketing and how they are promoting the movie. Probably as simple as that.
He never said the movie won't be related to Alien, just that it won't connect directly to the first movie!
I can't tell if Blomkamp is joking or not... Although, I suspect he is.
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/647186673730646016
Yeah, given the comments it seems like a joke to me.
Got a giggle out of "ALIEN 5: PROMETHEUS - Ripley vs Predator".
Who knows until the movie goes into production, but perhaps Scott decided to go back to the Alien well because so many people wanted that in Prometheus. Or Fox forced the change for marquee value.
I don't see this interfering with the Blomkamp movie, though.
Not a surprising title, considering Scott namedropped Milton's work throughout Prometheus' production and in post-release interviews. I wonder if we should dust off our English textbooks, though?
Wait are those mf'ers trolling us? :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 07:37:36 AM
I'm not gonna put too much stock in what Biehn says when the only connection he has to the movie is a hoax Twitter post saying he's in it that was quickly debunked, no offence to him. Same goes for anyone else. I'm waiting for it to come from the horse's mouth. And it hasn't.
He said he already met with Blomkamp so it's probably safe to assume he knows a little bit more about the plot than the rest of us grunts.
The concept/pitch art that Blomkamp released is also a bit of a giveaway.
Here in this interview Neill seems to deliberately convey that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection is not the direction he wanted the series to take and that he's going to tell HIS version of events, very likely he's jettison Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6bGPrPCovk See the specific moment click at 20:51 - 21:04
Holy shit. That is all.
I repeat:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 07:37:36 AMI'm waiting for it to come from the horse's mouth. And it hasn't.
Seriously, he can "seem to deliberately convey" whatever he wants, until he just outright says it, who knows what's going on.
Remember when
Prometheus 2 was apparently gonna have nothing to do with
Alien, and now they've literally called it
Alien?
So it will connect with Alien in a way.... 8)
Quote from: Alexx on Sep 25, 2015, 01:04:40 PMSo it will connect with Alien in a way.... 8)
That's exactly my point. They seem to have totally changed their minds.
They probably were struggling for a good story since it`s been since 2012 that we last saw Shaw and David head of to Paradise, and they realized that there is no other way but to do it now..
And i wonder if it will be a slow progression like will we just a little in this one and then the full connnection in third or fourth film.
Also will he introduce Ripley and the Nostromo picking up the signal, and it ends where Alien begins, and also we don`t know how long that ship was stranded there before they come along.
Quote from: Alexx on Sep 25, 2015, 01:15:10 PM
Also will he introduce Ripley and the Nostromo picking up the signal, and it ends where Alien begins, and also we don`t know how long that ship was stranded there before they come along.
Ugggggh please don't let it end with Shaw being in the suit and releasing the warning signal......that would be too painful.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
I repeat:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 07:37:36 AMI'm waiting for it to come from the horse's mouth. And it hasn't.
Seriously, he can "seem to deliberately convey" whatever he wants, until he just outright says it, who knows what's going on.
Quote from: Neill Blomkamp"So it will be Alien, Aliens and then this movie"[Alien 5].
How more "outright" does he need to get? He even had little pictures made!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 25, 2015, 01:24:45 PMQuote from: Neill Blomkamp"So it will be Alien, Aliens and then this movie"[Alien 5].
How more "outright" does he need to get? He even had little pictures made!
And yet he's also said he
won't be undoing 3 and 4.
When he's finally flat out confirmed, "Yes, I'm reconnecting/scrapping/overwriting/*whatever* the later films," then fine. But for now everyone just seems to be beating around the bush on it. And I don't see why they'd do that if the decision's been set in stone like some fans are saying. If the decision's made, just say so. But they haven't.
No one will go on record about it. Are you seriously telling me you don't find that kinda strange?
An alternate Alien 3 (or Aliens sequel if you prefer) won't need to undo the existing Alien 3 and 4. It can happily co-exist with 3 and 4 and allow people to choose which continuity they prefer. If he was planning to screw around with the events that happened in Alien 3 (like ACM did) in order to fit his story in then it would be a different matter. Or relegating 3 and 4 to being mere dreams.
I don't see how anyone is "beating about the bush on it". The film is still in the early stages of production and a certain amount of secrecy around the details of the plot is to be expected. They are under no obligation what-so-ever to tell us anything.
I'd just like to know who put their hand up and said that ALIEN needed explaining in the first place. I'm all for new movies in that universe, but why do we have to know what the space jockey was? Or why his ship was on the planet? Or why Parker wears a blue headband?
The best parts of Prometheus were when it was doing its on thing, and I was really hoping for more of that.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 25, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
Or why Parker wears a blue headband?
Well, apparently Alien: Paradise Lost will have some connection with Ripley according to an interview Empire magazine had with Ridley Scott.
Quote from: Ridley ScottPrometheus is actually taking us off course from where I'm going, which is actually backing into the first Alien... I've even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I'm not telling you what."
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=45507 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=45507)
He also mentions Blomkamp's film and says it's still going ahead. Next up in fact.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 25, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 25, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
Or why Parker wears a blue headband?
Well, apparently Alien: Paradise Lost will have some connection with Ripley according to an interview Empire magazine had with Ridley Scott.
Quote from: Ridley ScottPrometheus is actually taking us off course from where I'm going, which is actually backing into the first Alien... I've even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I'm not telling you what."
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=45507 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=45507)
He also mentions Blomkamp's film and says it's still going ahead. Next up in fact.
Oh jesus, not young rookie prequel Ripley. Please god no, just no......
i actually could not care what they call it, but i still dont understand what would be so awful aobut calling it
"Prometeus - Paradise lost"
or even just
"Paradise Lost"
I also seem to recall that this new thing "Prometeus" would not be connected with Alien and would be moving even futher away from Alien, which in my opinion is absolutly unnecessary. The Pilots were bio engineers. Plural, which means there "weapons" proberly have several forms of "infectious stages" and by that logic we´ve only seen some of the outcomes of one of there weapons.
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 05:54:42 PM
just no......
Well, according to Fox you can't have an Alien movie without Ripley in it. Or even a video game or novel it seems. :P
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 25, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
I'd just like to know who put their hand up and said that ALIEN needed explaining in the first place. I'm all for new movies in that universe, but why do we have to know what the space jockey was? Or why his ship was on the planet?
This x 1000. I honestly think this is the painful end to a franchise we've loved for decades.
Ridley Scott Reveals Major ALIEN: PARADISE LOST Details On 'Ripley', 'Xenomorphs', And More.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357)
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Ridley Scott Reveals Major ALIEN: PARADISE LOST Details On 'Ripley', 'Xenomorphs', And More.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357)
All around exciting. I'm still optimistic for these films. It's good to hear some actual information from Scott himself.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Ridley Scott Reveals Major ALIEN: PARADISE LOST Details On 'Ripley', 'Xenomorphs', And More.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357)
Quote"I've even got connections with Ripley [in this.]"
Whhy.
She's the Chosen One :o
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
I repeat:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 07:37:36 AMI'm waiting for it to come from the horse's mouth. And it hasn't.
Seriously, he can "seem to deliberately convey" whatever he wants, until he just outright says it, who knows what's going on.
Remember when Prometheus 2 was apparently gonna have nothing to do with Alien, and now they've literally called it Alien?
He pretty much has said it, he making the movie following Alien and Aliens. When he says 'I'm trying to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection" it doesn't means he'll acknowledge their events and connect his film to them, what he meant is he's not trying to erase them from existence, he simply wants to make the film he wants to follow Aliens.
Seeing Hicks in the concept art shows it doesn't explore the timeline where he dies. Its very unlikely this will be Alien 5 and just a retcon.
Though by a slim chance it could change. By some mere chance a fox executive or Ridley demands that he finds some way to connect it to Alien 3 in some form he'd have no choice other than to comply, but he'd probably leave the project if there are too changes made to his dream film.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 25, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
An alternate Alien 3 (or Aliens sequel if you prefer) won't need to undo the existing Alien 3 and 4. It can happily co-exist with 3 and 4 and allow people to choose which continuity they prefer.
Yes to this.. I am perfectly alright with this and it would cement we have alternate timelines or a multiverse. Or at the very least, just an alternate continuity. I am more than perfectly okay with this.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 25, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
If he was planning to screw around with the events that happened in Alien 3 (like ACM did) in order to fit his story in then it would be a different matter. Or relegating 3 and 4 to being mere dreams.
I am not okay with this, especially the dream part. Trying to write around Alien 3 and Resurrection is a Herculean feat without the plot devices such as time travel or even going the Bobby Ewing route-- dreams. I would prefer that he simply just ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection, and make no references to them. See... writing Alien 3 and Resurrection off would be worse than ignoring them. If they were written off as dreams, it would be the cheapest cop out in the franchise-- it would perhaps insult the audience, and maybe even make those who invested the continuity of Alien 3 feel like their time was wasted.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 25, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Ridley Scott Reveals Major ALIEN: PARADISE LOST Details On 'Ripley', 'Xenomorphs', And More.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125357)
We're getting connections to Ripley... What?
Are we getting an ancestor to Ripley or something?
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Sep 25, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
She's the Chosen One :o
Something tells me we're going to see a bio-mechanical statue or giant face in he likeness of Sigourney Weaver. I kid of course but.. stranger things have happened.
Forgive me - I imagine I'll be throwing up numerous replies over the next few minutes as I read through the thread.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2015, 07:09:12 PM
So the Prometheus sequel will be titled Alien: Paradise Lost, but it will feature no connections at all to Alien. Is anybody else getting mixed signals here? Unless proven otherwise, I really get the feeling that Ridley is trying to milk the Alien franchise's logo rather than tell a decent story.
As I said on Facebook - you don't know it wont feature Aliens. It's starting to look very much like the Aliens will play some important role in this.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2015, 07:09:12 PMUnless proven otherwise, I really get the feeling that Ridley is trying to milk the Alien franchise's logo rather than tell a decent story.
Given what a u-turn this is from "the sequels will move even further away from Alien", I'm inclined to agree.
I'm more inclined to think it's either the studio realising the Prometheus brand is too tainted or it's an honest move to reconnect more directly to Alien like it should have always done.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2015, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Ephemer Nine on Sep 24, 2015, 08:31:16 PMHmmm...I have mixed feelings. 'Paradise Lost' is a great title, but I'm not really sure how I feel about the 'Alien'. It seems conturbed when placed in the series' continuity...I understand it from a marketing point, but it just doesn't sound right.
Agreed, calling it simply Paradise Lost would be a thousand times better.
^This, the only thing adding "Alien" to the title will do is piss Alien fans off when they find out there's nothing "Alien" at all in the film. To be blunt, Prometheus should never have been a spin-off/prequel to Alien; it could have been a nice film set in its own world but the moment Alien is added to the mix, it became a convoluted mess. I guess Riddles couldn't help adding a sales marketing gimmick to 2x the audience for his film.
Don't agree with you at all there. Prometheus is an Alien film without the Alien. It was a Space Jockey film. The film being a mess had nothing to with any inclusion with the Alien story. It was a mess because Lindelof butchered a coherent tie-in to Alien.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
The last we heard of that was almost a year ago though. It's not unlikely one of the writers put him back onto Alien.
Okayyyyy and I'm all caught up!
Right...interesting! I never thought the removal of direct connections to the Aliens was an issue for Prometheus. I always thought it was the haphazard way it was done. All the elements to the proto-Aliens and Aliens were still in Prometheus but they had little context to them. They were there, they functioned like the Aliens because...well, just because.
That said...I'm excited to see more Alien films coming. We don't know how or when this turnabout in story came to be. It's going to be down to studio (the Prometheus brand isn't profitable/marketable enough) or Ridley/someone turned back towards Alien and said it was more interesting.
I think we all need to stop Chicken Littling until we find out more information. However, as usual I try to remain cautiously optimistic.
My guess is they'll simplify the whole Black Liquid scenario and we'll find out the Engineers are directly creating xenomorphs for weapons on their planet. The Deacon creature was just an accident that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I don't see how he can stretch this idea out for another two prequels after this one though. The movies have to feature more humans than just Shaw and David.
As for the Ripley connections, no idea. Depends how far they jump ahead in the sequels. Ripley's just a young girl at this point. Maybe they meet somebody with a connection to her.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
The last we heard of that was almost a year ago though. It's not unlikely one of the writers put him back onto Alien.
Didn't the News section post an update from Bloody Disgusting a couple of days ago where Ridley Scott reaffirms that the 2nd film will not have references at all to Alien and that it'll be the 3rd film instead that will have it? Regardless, I'll try to be more optimistic about this film anyway as it isn't healthy to get so upset about something that hasn't been released yet.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 25, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
The last we heard of that was almost a year ago though. It's not unlikely one of the writers put him back onto Alien.
Didn't the News section post an update from Bloody Disgusting a couple of days ago where Ridley Scott reaffirms that the 2nd film will not have references at all to Alien and that it'll be the 3rd film instead that will have it? Regardless, I'll try to be more optimistic about this film anyway as it isn't healthy to get so upset about something that hasn't been released yet.
You mean this? http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/08/17/is-the-new-alien-sequel-being-held-back-by-prometheus-2/
No. That's not mentioned in it. Last time I can recall was his whole "Gods and Dragons" thing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2015, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 25, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 10:01:31 AMAlso does anyone remember the report that came out a year and a bit ago saying Prometheus 2 was going to be more Alienish......
No. Literally every report said the sequel was going to be less Alien... because that's what Ridley repeatedly said. That's why I'm so concerned by this apparent u-turn.
The last we heard of that was almost a year ago though. It's not unlikely one of the writers put him back onto Alien.
Didn't the News section post an update from Bloody Disgusting a couple of days ago where Ridley Scott reaffirms that the 2nd film will not have references at all to Alien and that it'll be the 3rd film instead that will have it? Regardless, I'll try to be more optimistic about this film anyway as it isn't healthy to get so upset about something that hasn't been released yet.
You mean this? http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/08/17/is-the-new-alien-sequel-being-held-back-by-prometheus-2/
No. That's not mentioned in it. Last time I can recall was his whole "Gods and Dragons" thing.
Actually, I meant this (quote below): http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/23/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-3-and-4/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/23/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-3-and-4/)
QuoteFunny enough, in an interview with German website FilmFutter, Scott confirms that Prometheus does in fact connect with Alien, only not in the next sequel*.
"It won't be in the next one," explained Scott. "It will be in the one after this one or maybe even a fourth film before we get back into the Alien franchise...
This was only 2 days before he decided to title the new film "Alien: Paradise Lost".
Fair enough. I've got nothing for that. Only that the new reports are clearly contradicting this. Does anyone else think it feels like back when Alien Prequel swapped to Prometheus in the first place? xD
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2015, 09:26:58 PM
Fair enough. I've got nothing for that. Only that the new reports are clearly contradicting this. Does anyone else think it feels like back when Alien Prequel swapped to Prometheus in the first place? xD
[Raises hand]
And I only mean from an unclear point of view. Just to clarify. lol
Perhaps, like a TV series showrunner that's been told his series will be cancelled, Scott is having to.move up his vague plans to re-Alienfy the prequel films.
Honestly though, who knows? Scott is basically an IRL troll at this point.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Sep 25, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
She's the Chosen One :o
So the original Alien movie and Space Jockey etc MASSIVELY influenced The Metroid series.
Now the Metroid series is repaying the favour and MASSIVELY influencing the Alien movies.
Quote from: david8 on Sep 25, 2015, 01:43:28 AM
In Paradise Lost, Satan and his fellow fallen angels planned to poison earth and God's favored creation - man. If the engineers on 223 are indeed fallen angels then they weren't responsible for the creation of man. Thus having Paradise Lost in the title already implicitly answers alot lol
Also of note is WHY they tried to poison us - because the creator loved us more than them. So this kinda explains a lot, if you follow the Paradise Lost thread. Ridley said there were two factions. In Paradise Lost, there is the angels and the fallen angels. The fallen angels were cast out of heaven and they try to destroy the human race because god loves them. Satan apears to Adam and Eve as the snake to achieve this...
Quote from: Biggles on Sep 25, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Perhaps, like a TV series showrunner that's been told his series will be cancelled, Scott is having to.move up his vague plans to re-Alienfy the prequel films.
Honestly though, who knows? Scott is basically an IRL troll at this point.
I think despite all the knots, what we have now makes a lot of sense. Months ago Scott stated explicitly that he was trying to come up with a new version of the monster for the 2nd act of the Prometheus sequel. Now he has explained the tie-in toe Paradise Lost and has stated this film will basically revolve around why the alien was made and what it was made to combat.
This does link the Prometheus canon up to Alien in a way that warrants tacking ALIEN in the title.
Alot of this also has to do with marketing. When it concerned PROMETHEUS, adding ALIEN to the title wasn't a smart move. First, fans would have been pissed off their were NO aliens in the film and second, if it were called ALIEN: PROMETHEUS, it would have unnecessarily turned away viewers who believe they needed to know the ALIEN franchise to see it, or worse they would have expected a film that Prometheus wasn't. Which, even despite multiple press releases from Scott, fans were still disappointed by.
In this case, the film is explicitly about why the Engineers, well, engineered the Alien... and it seems the answer is either 'to poison us' or something else.
But if this is what the film explains, then having ALIEN in the title is wise because it lets people know there is information in this film that ties-into the ALIEN franchise in a way they will find important.
As for the Ripley tie-in, I'd wager this will be something simple, like a message sent to the mining colony explaining why they replaced the science officer at the last minute or something to that effect.
You speak sense; and I hope this is what happens. I would love the whole thing to tie neatly in to Alien in the way that it looked very much like it wasn't going to after Prometheus was de-Alienified.
Lol it sounds like that this is going to be the true Alien prequel that most craved and were excited for in the first place. When Ridley said that Prometheus was "florid and grandiose", I sense that he has realised the follies of being over-ambitious and convoluted, and I suspect that the studio execs insisted on bringing it back to its Alien roots more authentically. Heck, maybe Ridley was made aware of Isolation and saw that the old beast can still be terrifying when executed right. All I can say is that I'm genuinely excited, cautious, but excited of the prospect of Giger's aesthetic returning completely this time.
Still excited! I am starting to think this film might be a flashback to the history of the engineers when/if Shaw and David get there.
All this news that keeps slowly coming out really has me excited. I can't wait to see what he has in mind! I never thought i'd be back in the 80s (figuratively speaking) again when it comes to movies. I mean, we get to look forward to several Star Wars movies, a blade Runner Sequel, more Alien films, a new Ghostbusters movies(s), the list goes on! Of course some of these could suck or be mediocre (The latest Terminator comes to mind) but i'll keep my fingers crossed they don't! ;D
It sounds like he has his feet on the ground now. I think we can all look forward to it.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 25, 2015, 09:10:31 PM
My guess is they'll simplify the whole Black Liquid scenario and we'll find out the Engineers are directly creating xenomorphs for weapons on their planet. The Deacon creature was just an accident that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I don't see how he can stretch this idea out for another two prequels after this one though. The movies have to feature more humans than just Shaw and David.
As for the Ripley connections, no idea. Depends how far they jump ahead in the sequels. Ripley's just a young girl at this point. Maybe they meet somebody with a connection to her.
Maybe Ripley as a child will fit in somewhere.
The link to Ripley might be purely a course of events that are going to be set in motion. Like the Derelict crashing and the beacon being turned on.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 26, 2015, 02:43:27 AM
The link to Ripley might be purely a course of events that are going to be set in motion. Like the Derelict crashing and the beacon being turned on.
That would be better in my opinion.
Far too early to make any critical judgements on this. However, I am feeling optimistic that the Prometheus sequels as well as Blomkamp's Alien film are all being planned out with a cohesive narrative in mind to tie the series together.
I'm not sure if some of you people are quite letting this sink in quite enough; we have an Alien, not Prometheus but Alien, movie being directed by Ridley Scott that will explore the origins of the stuff from the first film and is being carefully planned to fit into a wider narrative that could lead to a resurgence of the Alien franchise. Unless the movie absolutely blows chunks, this is literally the answer to all our post-Resurrection/AVP prayers.
My opinion on this really depends on what this Ripley link is. I think I side with the crowd that wished to see more of the 'Prometheus' world. Of course, tying it to 'Alien' is by no means a bad thing, but I would be more for a discret connection, like Scott originally envisioned.
Well, I hope they don't imply that the events from 'Prometheus' lead directly to the creation of the xenomorph...That would honestly ruin the creature's grandiosity and mystery.
In the end, I still find myself optimistic.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2015, 01:39:53 PM
And I don't see why they'd do that if the decision's been set in stone like some fans are saying.
It gets people talking.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/prometheus/37099/prometheus-ridley-scott-to-direct-all-three-sequels
Not much new but he's saying he intends to do all the sequels himself.
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I was under the impression that the Derelict had been there a very, very long time. Wasn't the word "fossilized" used to describe the being in the chair?
Prometheus implied that it had only been there a couple thousand years.
If it turns out that the ship had only recently crashed before the Nostromo arrives it's going to feel pretty forced, convenient, and the ancient unknown alien horror that had supposedly been there for eons will be bled of it's effectiveness.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Sep 26, 2015, 11:45:22 AM
If it turns out that the ship had only recently crashed before the Nostromo arrives it's going to feel pretty forced, convenient, and the ancient unknown alien horror that had supposedly been there for eons will be bled of it's effectiveness.
Yes, that's exactly my point. I hope these 'Alien' connections will be much more subtle, distant and don't tread on the original's effect.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Sep 26, 2015, 11:45:22 AMPrometheus implied that it had only been there a couple thousand years.
The one in
Prometheus was a different ship on a totally different moon.
Though Scott is changing his mind all the time, I guess this means we will not have to wait for a third or fourth sequel to see a link to Alien. BUT!...beyond that, and whatever the truth behind, I'll take that with a giant sized Industrial sack of gritting salt :laugh:
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Sep 26, 2015, 11:45:22 AMPrometheus implied that it had only been there a couple thousand years.
The one in Prometheus was a different ship on a totally different moon.
Yep. I know. The one that crashed within the context of the film's time frame (and rolled over Vickers lol)
Besides there isn't
thousands of years between Alien and Prometheus (even if that's what you thought I meant) It's only 28 years between the two.
I meant the one that was implied to have been sent to destroy earth (but never made it because - Aliens) thousands of years ago back when humans fell out of favor with the Engineers. (For killing space jesus or some shit) I mean - that was obviously what they were implying so as far as we know what what info we have the Derelict from Alien was headed for earth with deadly cargo and crashed on LV-426 around the same time as when the shit hit the fan on LV-223.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 26, 2015, 02:43:27 AM
The link to Ripley might be purely a course of events that are going to be set in motion. Like the Derelict crashing and the beacon being turned on.
This is most likely what that tie-in is. The more I read the posts here the more it sparked in my mind that the studio, more than likely want this film to tie into Alien in a way the suits calling the two films a prequel series, because there is a new Aliens sequel coming, and there is also always the possibility that this wont warrant another Prometheus sequel but will warrant a new Alien film. Thats hard to articulate but to put it another way, if this film sticks to prometheus lore without tieing in the alien stuff, and it doesnt do well enough to warrant a sequel, they have closed the door moving forward. If it ties into alien now, as it is, then the doors are open moving forward to take it in either direction or even both directions. So i guess im saying its smart to wrap that angle up now so they can do both. My only concern now is that there are gonna ne too much expansion between blomkamps and this and no way to sustain interest long enough to wrap that all up before some tool tries to throw a predator in there. Side note: im all for avp stuff just as a separate franchise with no connections to the alien franchise. Also scott directing 2 more Prometheus sequels after this, implies some grandoise mythology he has planned and is maybe kinda ambitious even for him. But who knows what we are in for. Its exciting. That he is producing the blomkamp film gives me hope that there is a singular vision guiding things but id also like to see the films stick to being all very different from each other.
I thought Scott promised (Neil) to stay away from Alien? Now this?
You guys should know by now that Ridley is a notorious trickster.
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Sep 26, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
I meant the one that was implied to have been sent to destroy earth (but never made it because - Aliens) thousands of years ago back when humans fell out of favor with the Engineers. (For killing space jesus or some shit) I mean - that was obviously what they were implying so as far as we know what what info we have the Derelict from Alien was headed for earth with deadly cargo and crashed on LV-426 around the same time as when the shit hit the fan on LV-223.
Oh, I thought that it was the Juggernaut which was in charge to destroy us ?!
I also had the feeling that the Derelict had been there for a long time, but destined for another planet or moon rather than Earth.
If really it was headed to us, then we are lucky that the Space Jockey did not set the ship on autopilot :laugh:
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
And plus - it gives the little guys a voice to. Blomkamp's not the only huge Alien fan (he's just the one with the most Hollywood connections). ;)
Wonder what the title for Neill Blomkamp's move is going to be, what with Prometheus 2 being renamed Alien: Paradise Lost, Blomkamp has said he has a title but that it gives away the plot, his words
"I sent what I wanted as the title to Ridley. It's kinda quite bold, and he was like, 'I really like that.' So I'm gonna test it, I don't think it's gonna work, though. I have my own idea but it gives away too much if I say the title. But in the event that it doesn't work, I'm dead in the water..."
QuoteMaybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well
That, by extension, would retcon Blomkamp's movie. I doubt he plans to erase a film he has just recently agreed to produce, unless he really wants to stick it to Neill.
Super Aliens.
That will be the title of NB's alien 5.
Meaning Scott should have went with Super Prometheus.
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
I absolutely share your enthusiasm I think this is an amazing time for Alien purists. For me Alien Isolation got the ball rolling with everything, that restored so much integrity for the IP it was perfect.
I do think Alien: Paradise Lost is subject to a name change though, but that's me being a cynicalist. Bring on the first poster I say!
Quote from: Kelgaard on Sep 27, 2015, 04:39:22 AM
QuoteMaybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well
That, by extension, would retcon Blomkamp's movie. I doubt he plans to erase a film he has just recently agreed to produce, unless he really wants to stick it to Neill.
Yeah, I doubt Fox would let him retcon the most popular entry in the franchise. Killing-off Hix 'n N00t almost resulted in rioting and general public unrest back in the day.
Not sure what Scott's thoughts are with regards to Alien 3. His son worked on it and Scott also visited the set during production.
Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Sep 26, 2015, 11:11:22 PM
Oh, I thought that it was the Juggernaut which was in charge to destroy us ?!
I also had the feeling that the Derelict had been there for a long time, but destined for another planet or moon rather than Earth.
The Juggernaut in Prometheus
was in charge to destroy humanity. Who knows what the Alien derelict story was, it's still a mystery - at least for now.
QuoteIf really it was headed to us, then we are lucky that the Space Jockey did not set the ship on autopilot :laugh:
In the original Alien: Engineers script it was one and the same ship. It was also already on autopilot and on it's way to earth with the Engineer/Pilot already dead. That is why the Magellan (which would later become the Prometheus) had to ram it out of the sky. Simple eh? :)
I really hope that the universe doesn't tighten to the point where we can't make any sensible stories with the Predator crossover...
Just what the original film actually doesn't need; explanation. It's gonna water down the effect of the original Alien.
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
On the other hand it's the only other ALIEN film that he's praised.
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
^
Ridley is in charge, now, boys. I couldn't be happier! XD
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 27, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I really hope that the universe doesn't tighten to the point where we can't make any sensible stories with the Predator crossover...
.... LOL
They should have it so a character breaks the fourth, looking at the camera and say 'Predator does not exist in the Alien universe'
Quote from: SuicideDoors on Sep 27, 2015, 07:01:00 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
I absolutely share your enthusiasm I think this is an amazing time for Alien purists. For me Alien Isolation got the ball rolling with everything, that restored so much integrity for the IP it was perfect.
I do think Alien: Paradise Lost is subject to a name change though, but that's me being a cynicalist. Bring on the first poster I say!
I agree entirely. However epic and classic the original films are, calling them together a 'saga' akin to Star Wars was weak at best. Blomkamp and Ridley have an opportunity to really create something that truly makes the Alien universe come to life (or death, I should probably say). Since the late 90s at least, AVP has become little more than an ever-circling world of cliches and repetitive plots; I seriously think that the circle is not only about to be broken, but shattered.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Sep 28, 2015, 12:24:37 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 27, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I really hope that the universe doesn't tighten to the point where we can't make any sensible stories with the Predator crossover...
.... LOL
They should have it so a character breaks the fourth, looking at the camera and say 'Predator does not exist in the Alien universe'
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:!!!
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 25, 2015, 12:15:34 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 24, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Why not just call it Prometheus 2? This is going to be so confusing when we have Alien 5 coming out.
Well I suppose they are just branding this as Alien now. Who knows whats going on with Blomkamp's movie
It is weird for including alien in the title. I would have expected then to really go the engineer route and tell us even more about their society ??
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 26, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
Yup. Absolutely love what he is doing. He's very consciously driving this forward on the anticipation of 'The Martian' being a big hit.
Absolutely love it. Instead of nagging on about the title, I'm embracing it as a new entry in the series. After all, including Blomkamp's effort, we are getting 4 new 'ALIEN' movies now. I don't care that Ridley is making the series his own. He should have made the sequel to 'ALIEN' in the first place.
Maybe he'll retcon 'ALIENS' as well as anything beyond the original movie. Now THAT would be something to whine about. After all, he has been known to say it's not the direction he would have taken the 2nd movie if he was involved.
I'm so looking forward to see how this all unfolds over the next few years. Love what you're doing, Sir Scott. Absolutely love it!
-Windebieste.
Agreed. I just hope he stays the course and does the engineer society thing and shows us some of big boy. With the third movie tieing into alien. And no more xenos just an origin story albeit not spoon fed.
Just stay the course Ridley.
Retconning aliens was something I wanted for along time. Not because I don't like the movie but because it would be nice as you said to see Ridley doing the sequel.
The engineers will still be central I'm guessing, but it's implied that they were created by a higher power, whatever that higher power will be is what's got me excited.
The title "change" (it was always going to be called what it is now according to Scott) is a lucrative move since they may have written the story in a way where seeing Prometheus won't be absolutely necessary. Of course it'll help if one did see it, but I saw Aliens first before I watched Alien without any confusion when I was a young lad (6 or 7 if I remember correctly lol).
I know it's easy to be cynical, but I think there is a solid trajectory being set up here narrative-wise, I'm excited but cautious.
I hope none of this garbage speculation/ideas you all are making come to fruition...This whole re connection to the beast is just Ridley pandering to the fanboys who were disappointed they didn't get the same ol' rehashed face hugging, chest bursting, spoon fed prequel/sequel they feel they are entitled to... ::) God forbid he takes a chance and goes in a fresh direction, he even stated before Prometheus was released that it would eventually tie in to Alien. But NOOOO, people can't wait. Don't get me wrong Prometheus isn't perfect.
The only problems is has though are pacing issues and editing issues. Everything else I see people complaining about is stupid. Milbourne did nothing different than what Kane did in the original that lead to his death. The air was established breathable, so don't go there it has nothing to do with anything. As far as why didn't Vickers and Shaw run side ways DOESN'T MATTER! They were going to die anyway! OR maybe in panic they couldn't think straight, have you ever had to run from a giant falling croissant?!?! Even if you have we are not all the same, nor would we react in the same way.
If you didn't like it its because you feel entitled to a certain stereotypical sequel. As for the Blomkamp sequel its going to be garbage too. They already jump the shark with bring back hicks, and that stupid looking alien suit ripley is wearing in concept art. What is this going to devolve into a Kenner alien movie?!?! Hicks and NEwt died rightful, so get over it. These movies should have stopped at the third one. It was the perfect three act play. You had the scary movie, the action movie, and the sad conclusion. It ended with Ripley sacrificing herself so that the beast wouldn't reek havoc on humanity. The fact she lost the only two people in all of deep space she loved, made it that much more powerful. It said to her this beast will take all she loves from her unless she makes the ultimate sacrifice. But none of you can see this because again, you were too bust crying about what your entitled self didn't get. This Blomkamp movie will be a stain on the underwear of this franchise like Resurrection and those god awful AVP movies are. You will never catch lighting in a bottle. There will NEVER be another Alien movie that will have the same impact that the first did when it came out. Appreciate the original for what it is and move on in a fresh direction. Leave well enough alone.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Sep 26, 2015, 04:50:22 AM
I'm not sure if some of you people are quite letting this sink in quite enough; we have an Alien, not Prometheus but Alien, movie being directed by Ridley Scott that will explore the origins of the stuff from the first film and is being carefully planned to fit into a wider narrative that could lead to a resurgence of the Alien franchise. Unless the movie absolutely blows chunks, this is literally the answer to all our post-Resurrection/AVP prayers.
Totally. Good point
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Sep 26, 2015, 04:50:22 AM
I'm not sure if some of you people are quite letting this sink in quite enough; we have an Alien, not Prometheus but Alien, movie being directed by Ridley Scott that will explore the origins of the stuff from the first film and is being carefully planned to fit into a wider narrative that could lead to a resurgence of the Alien franchise. Unless the movie absolutely blows chunks, this is literally the answer to all our post-Resurrection/AVP prayers.
Enthusiasm dampens when you remember what he was saying in interviews during the '
Prometheus' production, like how there were going to be scenes which would surpass Lambert's death and "scare the shit out of" us.
The same guy who felt it would be impossible for the Alien's original design to ever again be portrayed effectively - and gave us the LOL-worthy
Dolphin Deacon, instead.
The same guy who is on the record as saying he was perfectly happy with the final edit of '
Prometheus' and hasn't shown any hint of acknowledging its flaws, much less remedying them.
Quote from: Truth on Sep 28, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
I hope none of this garbage speculation/ideas you all are making come to fruition...This whole re connection to the beast is just Ridley pandering to the fanboys who were disappointed they didn't get the same ol' rehashed face hugging, chest bursting, spoon fed prequel/sequel they feel they are entitled to... ::) God forbid he takes a chance and goes in a fresh direction, he even stated before Prometheus was released that it would eventually tie in to Alien. But NOOOO, people can't wait. Don't get me wrong Prometheus isn't perfect.
The only problems is has though are pacing issues and editing issues. Everything else I see people complaining about is stupid. Milbourne did nothing different than what Kane did in the original that lead to his death. The air was established breathable, so don't go there it has nothing to do with anything.
Well, globally agreed.
Not liking a movie is a thing. Posting countless times in a hatred manner is another thing.
Prometheus doesn't deserve that.
I feel grateful to Damon Lindelof who contributed to widen the Alienverse.
The execution could have been a bit better for Milburn's death. Just a 'humble example' of how it could have been : he backs off from the hammerpede when it clearly threatens him, then it approaches slowly while Milburn starts to regret his act and getting ready to escape but the hammerpede was faster and bites his arm.
Also the goo-worm entered too easily his mouth.
QuoteAs far as why didn't Vickers and Shaw run side ways DOESN'T MATTER! They were going to die anyway! OR maybe in panic they couldn't think straight, have you ever had to run from a giant falling croissant?!?! Even if you have we are not all the same, nor would we react in the same way.
;D
In their defense, Shaw and Vickers changed at least one time their direction. And with all the Prometheus debris falling here and there, and in panic as you say, one could probably not feel inclined to change constantly his escape route...?!
Quote from: Truth on Sep 28, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
I hope none of this garbage speculation/ideas you all are making come to fruition...This whole re connection to the beast is just Ridley pandering to the fanboys who were disappointed they didn't get the same ol' rehashed face hugging, chest bursting, spoon fed prequel/sequel they feel they are entitled to... ::) God forbid he takes a chance and goes in a fresh direction, he even stated before Prometheus was released that it would eventually tie in to Alien. But NOOOO, people can't wait. Don't get me wrong Prometheus isn't perfect.
The only problems is has though are pacing issues and editing issues. Everything else I see people complaining about is stupid. Milbourne did nothing different than what Kane did in the original that lead to his death. The air was established breathable, so don't go there it has nothing to do with anything. As far as why didn't Vickers and Shaw run side ways DOESN'T MATTER! They were going to die anyway! OR maybe in panic they couldn't think straight, have you ever had to run from a giant falling croissant?!?! Even if you have we are not all the same, nor would we react in the same way.
If you didn't like it its because you feel entitled to a certain stereotypical sequel. As for the Blomkamp sequel its going to be garbage too. They already jump the shark with bring back hicks, and that stupid looking alien suit ripley is wearing in concept art. What is this going to devolve into a Kenner alien movie?!?! Hicks and NEwt died rightful, so get over it. These movies should have stopped at the third one. It was the perfect three act play. You had the scary movie, the action movie, and the sad conclusion. It ended with Ripley sacrificing herself so that the beast wouldn't reek havoc on humanity. The fact she lost the only two people in all of deep space she loved, made it that much more powerful. It said to her this beast will take all she loves from her unless she makes the ultimate sacrifice. But none of you can see this because again, you were too bust crying about what your entitled self didn't get. This Blomkamp movie will be a stain on the underwear of this franchise like Resurrection and those god awful AVP movies are. You will never catch lighting in a bottle. There will NEVER be another Alien movie that will have the same impact that the first did when it came out. Appreciate the original for what it is and move on in a fresh direction. Leave well enough alone.
I agree with so much of what this guy is saying. They should have stopped at Alien 3, as the tragic finale works as a 3 act structure. I always say its the final scene of Aliens that messed up the continuity. Its the 'Happy' ending of that, that screwed up Alien 3 for me. It doesn't work in Resurrection either. Even Prometheus should have ended when David tell Shaw 'it's not the only ship.' It should have cut to black there.
That said, I think Ridley isn't CONNECTING this the way most people are reading into this. Ripley won't be in the movie. He simply means, there are things in Alien, like maybe the Derelict, or the Space Jockey that flies it away, or the Mining colony which we will see in this film. That's it. I will bet money it's not an explict tie-in the way people are reading into it.
Personally, from what I understand of Paradise Lost, I like the grand idea Ridley is building towards, I just hope it stays 'R' rated and edgy in the process.
Its a good time to be an Alien fan.
I'd guess the Ripley connection is just something like the Nostromo in a hangar or being mentioned or something.
Ridley tends to get very enthusiastic about very average ideas. I doubt it's something spell-bounding. I bet he thinks the idea of an easter egg is f**king genius and is completely unaware that other film-makers have been having them for years.
When Ridley says "I think I have to go again... We will see who made it, and why. That's what's interesting."
Almost sounds like someone literally put it together from pieces of 'something' like lego. Could it be that the alien was a mishmash of body parts? Since the damn engineer's body is literally like an alien anyway.
Another Ridley quote I found:
"I'm actually going to be working again with Michael Fassbender in February on Prometheus 2. It's written, so I'm not chugging along and trying to work out where we're going to do it. With something like that, it's six-month prep. We're going to call it Alien: Paradise Lost. We're getting closer and closer to the creation of the beasts—how and why they were created—and the first Alien film that I made over thirty years ago. And we have Neill Blomkamp's Alien, which will be out in 2017. We just have the first [screenplay] draft in so far but it looks pretty good."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/26/ridley-scott-on-the-martian-his-groundbreaking-1984-apple-commercial-and-prometheus-2.html
He just said Blomkamps movie is out 2017?
They can't both be out in the same year.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 29, 2015, 02:54:18 PM
He just said Blomkamps movie is out 2017?
They can't both be out in the same year.
I thought Blonkamp's movie got pushed back by this one.
It's all a bunch of misdirection. That's the one thing about ridley I never cared for. Either he's always drunk as a skunk, crazy as a lab rat, or he is the king of misdirection and misinformation. Everytime he talks he contradicts what he said in the previous interview. It's ridiculous. I've given up watching his interviews and pretty well come to the conclusion that if he is at the helm I'll just have to wait to see what it's about. Because I sure as hell ain't gonna find out the details from his interviews.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 29, 2015, 02:54:18 PM
He just said Blomkamps movie is out 2017?
They can't both be out in the same year.
They might be aiming for a March 2017 release for Paradise and a Christmas 2017 release for Alien V. That will give the two films about 9 months separation.
Quote from: pred169 on Sep 29, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
It's all a bunch of misdirection. That's the one thing about ridley I never cared for. Either he's always drunk as a skunk, crazy as a lab rat, or he is the king of misdirection and misinformation. Everytime he talks he contradicts what he said in the previous interview. It's ridiculous. I've given up watching his interviews and pretty well come to the conclusion that if he is at the helm I'll just have to wait to see what it's about. Because I sure as hell ain't gonna find out the details from his interviews.
I can understand why you feel this way. There were two things going on during the rounds fro PROMETHEUS which caused this. First, Ridley is not the most articulate guy. Its taken me a while to get used to his vernacular. This whole 'connection to Ripley' business is an example of the problem with it. He means to say, events in this film link up with Ripley's story somehow. He says he is 'coming at her story through the backdoor.' The man speaks in metaphors. He is vague by default, but this is likely a testament to his creativity.
Second, when Prometheus was about to shoot, they were designing, building sets and even the cast was working from the Spaihts script and Damon Lindelof's rewrite had to work within the parameters of already having a great deal of Preproduction and set building and Production Design already finished, so the info being reported was in flux as it was being asked about by the press. It created confusion.
I think, they realized what trouble this caused. Because they had the script finished long before. They also had the rewrites done, long before they started designing anything.
Also from the gist of what he is describing, Paradise Lost tie-ins and all, I think I finally understand much of what was happening in Prometheus, so it will begin righting wrongs, I believe.
Quote from: CainsSon on Sep 29, 2015, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: pred169 on Sep 29, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
It's all a bunch of misdirection. That's the one thing about ridley I never cared for. Either he's always drunk as a skunk, crazy as a lab rat, or he is the king of misdirection and misinformation. Everytime he talks he contradicts what he said in the previous interview. It's ridiculous. I've given up watching his interviews and pretty well come to the conclusion that if he is at the helm I'll just have to wait to see what it's about. Because I sure as hell ain't gonna find out the details from his interviews.
I can understand why you feel this way. There were two things going on during the rounds fro PROMETHEUS which caused this. First, Ridley is not the most articulate guy. Its taken me a while to get used to his vernacular. This whole 'connection to Ripley' business is an example of the problem with it. He means to say, events in this film link up with Ripley's story somehow. He says he is 'coming at her story through the backdoor.' The man speaks in metaphors. He is vague by default, but this is likely a testament to his creativity.
Second, when Prometheus was about to shoot, they were designing, building sets and even the cast was working from the Spaihts script and Damon Lindelof's rewrite had to work within the parameters of already having a great deal of Preproduction and set building and Production Design already finished, so the info being reported was in flux as it was being asked about by the press. It created confusion.
I think, they realized what trouble this caused. Because they had the script finished long before. They also had the rewrites done, long before they started designing anything.
Also from the gist of what he is describing, Paradise Lost tie-ins and all, I think I finally understand much of what was happening in Prometheus, so it will begin righting wrongs, I believe.
You make some valid points but it's not just prometheus I refer to. He has done this in several other films as well. I honestly believe he does it as a form of misinformation to keep leaks to a minimum as well as keep people po drink what is gonna happen in the film. His films have been known to purchase the rights to two or three different Web addresses and promote different film titles just to throw people off. Michael Bay does the same thing. I agree I think it's part of his creative minds way of keeping us interested. I just feel his way of doing it is a bit more mad hatter-ish.
He reminds me of pinochio in shrek. "Do you know where shrek is"... "weeeelll... I don't necessarily not know where he may or may not be at this moment compared to where he isnt". The whole way he does it is just frustrating and comical at the same time. That's why I say it really doesn't bother me at this point.
Quote from: pred169 on Sep 29, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Sep 29, 2015, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: pred169 on Sep 29, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
It's all a bunch of misdirection. That's the one thing about ridley I never cared for. Either he's always drunk as a skunk, crazy as a lab rat, or he is the king of misdirection and misinformation. Everytime he talks he contradicts what he said in the previous interview. It's ridiculous. I've given up watching his interviews and pretty well come to the conclusion that if he is at the helm I'll just have to wait to see what it's about. Because I sure as hell ain't gonna find out the details from his interviews.
I can understand why you feel this way. There were two things going on during the rounds fro PROMETHEUS which caused this. First, Ridley is not the most articulate guy. Its taken me a while to get used to his vernacular. This whole 'connection to Ripley' business is an example of the problem with it. He means to say, events in this film link up with Ripley's story somehow. He says he is 'coming at her story through the backdoor.' The man speaks in metaphors. He is vague by default, but this is likely a testament to his creativity.
Second, when Prometheus was about to shoot, they were designing, building sets and even the cast was working from the Spaihts script and Damon Lindelof's rewrite had to work within the parameters of already having a great deal of Preproduction and set building and Production Design already finished, so the info being reported was in flux as it was being asked about by the press. It created confusion.
I think, they realized what trouble this caused. Because they had the script finished long before. They also had the rewrites done, long before they started designing anything.
Also from the gist of what he is describing, Paradise Lost tie-ins and all, I think I finally understand much of what was happening in Prometheus, so it will begin righting wrongs, I believe.
You make some valid points but it's not just prometheus I refer to. He has done this in several other films as well. I honestly believe he does it as a form of misinformation to keep leaks to a minimum as well as keep people po drink what is gonna happen in the film. His films have been known to purchase the rights to two or three different Web addresses and promote different film titles just to throw people off. Michael Bay does the same thing. I agree I think it's part of his creative minds way of keeping us interested. I just feel his way of doing it is a bit more mad hatter-ish.
He reminds me of pinochio in shrek. "Do you know where shrek is"... "weeeelll... I don't necessarily not know where he may or may not be at this moment compared to where he isnt". The whole way he does it is just frustrating and comical at the same time. That's why I say it really doesn't bother me at this point.
Nice comparison to Pinnochio in Shrek. Whatever led us to this point we are basically on the same page since I also find it somewhat frustrating and comical at this point. I just think maybe, hopefully, I've learned to discern some things from it that I haven't been able to before.
I also think he does some of it on purpose so we are in agreement there as well.
New interview on Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-on-bringing-the-1267400533827638.html
QuoteAnd Prometheus 2 will be a continuation of the story?
Of course. Have you ever read Paradise Lost, by Milton? In a funny kind of way, it's an interesting basis for the darkness of [Prometheus 2]. Where the good-looking guy, who is evil as s–t, gets all the girls and goes to the nightclubs. The other guy, who is not quite as good-looking, is boring as hell and stays home. So in a funny kind of way, we used that as the basis for it, it'll be Alien: Paradise Lost. Which is very spooky, because it continues after the last one, where Elizabeth Shaw [Noomi Rapace] says, "I wanna go where they came from." And you've got Michael Fassbender in two parts, so she'll slowly put him back together. They will go to the world of the Engineer.
To the core of that planet.
That's where they're going to go. They will find out who would design such an awful bio-mechanoid creature, like a massive piece of bacteria.
So I guess that last part basically seals the deal that Xenos are a created weapon.
Unless they're talking about the Deacon...which I don't think is the case.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125460 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=125460)
Ridley is talking alot about this.
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 29, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
New interview on Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ridley-scott-on-bringing-the-1267400533827638.html
QuoteAnd Prometheus 2 will be a continuation of the story?
Of course. Have you ever read Paradise Lost, by Milton? In a funny kind of way, it's an interesting basis for the darkness of [Prometheus 2]. Where the good-looking guy, who is evil as s–t, gets all the girls and goes to the nightclubs. The other guy, who is not quite as good-looking, is boring as hell and stays home. So in a funny kind of way, we used that as the basis for it, it'll be Alien: Paradise Lost. Which is very spooky, because it continues after the last one, where Elizabeth Shaw [Noomi Rapace] says, "I wanna go where they came from." And you've got Michael Fassbender in two parts, so she'll slowly put him back together. They will go to the world of the Engineer.
To the core of that planet.
That's where they're going to go. They will find out who would design such an awful bio-mechanoid creature, like a massive piece of bacteria.
My hope is that if he is using the words "Biomechanoid" than that might signal a return to the more heavy duty Giger aesthetics that were sorely missing in Prometheus' sets and most of it's creatures.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Sep 29, 2015, 08:31:25 PM
So I guess that last part basically seals the deal that Xenos are a created weapon.
Unless they're talking about the Deacon...which I don't think is the case.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about Deacon, as that was the creature (its facehugger, anyway) that Shaw encountered on the ship.
I was thinking the Blomkamp film would be Alien: Subtitle while Scott's 'prequels' would continue with P titles (Paradise, Purgatory, Pandemonium, etc.).
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 30, 2015, 02:33:37 AM
I was thinking the Blomkamp film would be Alien: Subtitle while Scott's 'prequels' would continue with P titles (Paradise, Purgatory, Pandemonium, etc.).
Pandorum (sorry I couldn't resist).
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 30, 2015, 02:48:22 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 30, 2015, 02:33:37 AM
I was thinking the Blomkamp film would be Alien: Subtitle while Scott's 'prequels' would continue with P titles (Paradise, Purgatory, Pandemonium, etc.).
Pandorum (sorry I couldn't resist).
LOL
I am wondering; in the future, I wonder if Prometheus will be renamed Alien: Prometheus, just as First Blood became Rambo: First Blood in response to the sequels.
How the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AM
How the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
That was more due to the extreme popularity of the Aliens franchise in the 90s, and the fact that most of the media then reflected the vibe of the second film.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AM
How the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
Well that's just the way it should be. 8)
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 30, 2015, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AM
How the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
Well that's just the way it should be. 8)
I think the Aliens logo is infinitely better and more recognizable with the franchise than the Alien logo.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 30, 2015, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AM
How the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
Well that's just the way it should be. 8)
I think the Aliens logo is infinitely better and more recognizable with the franchise than the Alien logo.
What's most recognizable to me is the full space between the letters. A L I E N S or A L I E N or whatever. I also prefer the I without the light bleeding through it but that's just me. I'm not saying one is better or worse.
I just set up a separate thread about the Alien vs. Aliens logo under the Alien films section. You can vote for your favorite logo also.
We all want these new films to do justice to the ones that came before. We don't need an attempt to usurp them, discredit them or make them obsolete.
One more thought: be grateful this franchise isn't dead and we're getting new films.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Sep 30, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
We all want these new films to do justice to the ones that came before. We don't need an attempt to usurp them, discredit them or make them obsolete.
One more thought: be grateful this franchise isn't dead and we're getting new films.
I for one, among many want alien 3 and alien resurrection to be obsolete. But I am grateful we have whole wack of new alien films coming.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AMHow the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
But it
is the
Alien franchise. Out of all the films, how many have an 's' on the end of the word?
Only the comic books were based exclusively on
Aliens.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2015, 08:16:22 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 30, 2015, 04:18:00 AMHow the series was referred to as Aliens by just about everyone and now its Alien.. ::)
But it is the Alien franchise. Out of all the films, how many have an 's' on the end of the word?
Only the comic books were based exclusively on Aliens.
It is the Alien franchise now. Again I guess. But for decades, we've had not just comics, but novels, video games, toys, board games, models, you name it under the aliens banner. I can understand with Ridley picking up the reigns that he is pushing in this direction, but I am just making an observation.
I was just thinking about how in a couple of years we could be in theaters watching the ALIEN : PARADISE LOST text materialize on screen the same way ALIEN it did in 1979. Yet instead of the world being Calpamos; it's the engineers home world. Seemingly barren and empty. Got a reason to live!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 01, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
It is the Alien franchise now. Again I guess. But for decades, we've had not just comics, but novels, video games, toys, board games, models, you name it under the aliens banner. I can understand with Ridley picking up the reigns that he is pushing in this direction, but I am just making an observation.
The merchandise for sure was all branded under the Aliens because it was more marketable in terms of selling to younger audiences, but Alien³ wasn't called Aliens³ or Aliens: Resurrection. It has always been the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 01, 2015, 02:23:42 PMThe merchandise for sure was all branded under the Aliens because it was more marketable in terms of selling to younger audiences, but Alien³ wasn't called Aliens³ or Aliens: Resurrection. It has always been the Alien franchise.
This.
Well, you can call iit what you want, but Aliens has sold far more games and comics and art than Alien has, as far as the franchise is concerned.
Um, I set up a separate thread for this convo...
Anyway, I think it's ridiculous to say that the Aliens logo is somehow junior. I think the ALIEN logo is definitely horror and creepy somehow, but ALIENS is now the epitome of a science fiction logo. How many times has the ALIENS logo been copied whether for spoof or otherwise? The blue color of the ALIENS logo which clearly comes from James Cameron's own color sensibility is what has driven the science fiction aesthetic for decades now.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Oct 02, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
Well, you can call iit what you want, but Aliens has sold far more games and comics and art than Alien has, as far as the franchise is concerned.
True, but Aliens came from Alien, ergo its the Alien franchise not the Aliens franchise. No matter how much merchandise comes out with the Aliens logo slapped on it.
The origins haven't shifted because of a logo :laugh:
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 29, 2015, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Sep 29, 2015, 08:31:25 PM
So I guess that last part basically seals the deal that Xenos are a created weapon.
Unless they're talking about the Deacon...which I don't think is the case.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about Deacon, as that was the creature (its facehugger, anyway) that Shaw encountered on the ship.
Shaw never saw it.
(Point taken about the Trilobite, though)
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 02, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Oct 02, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
Well, you can call iit what you want, but Aliens has sold far more games and comics and art than Alien has, as far as the franchise is concerned.
True, but Aliens came from Alien, ergo its the Alien franchise not the Aliens franchise. No matter how much merchandise comes out with the Aliens logo slapped on it.
The origins haven't shifted because of a logo :laugh:
By that rationale, we should call it the "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" franchise instead of the "Bladerunner" franchise?
More like calling Blade Runner the 'Soldier' franchise.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 02, 2015, 09:26:54 PM
More like calling Blade Runner the 'Soldier' franchise.
hee hee hee... :D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 02, 2015, 08:51:20 PM
By that rationale, we should call it the "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" franchise instead of the "Bladerunner" franchise?
Whatever floats your boat.
Quote from: Gash on Oct 02, 2015, 09:26:54 PMMore like calling Blade Runner the 'Soldier' franchise.
This.
Prometheus was the name of the space craft, If he has added "Alien to Paradise Lost . I have the feeling that we will be seeing the " Deacon ' or a mature one. Hence the modified title .
The title, Paradise Lost, gives me a feeling that the Engineers' world has collapsed from a terrible disaster a long time ago. People who discover that world will be disappointed and discover things that'll make them wish they never set foot on there.